March 9, 2024
Astrology: Destiny, Possibility, or Irrelevancy?
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch. 1 Life Through the Eyes of the Yogin, pp.13-14
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1
00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,840
There are those who treat
astrology as a science, those
2
00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,000
who believe that our fate is
determined by the stars, and
3
00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,400
also those who believe that
astrology is a pseudoscience
4
00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,560
with no real basis in anything
that can meaningfully either
5
00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,760
control our destiny or even
signify events in our lives.
6
00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,560
How can we understand what role,
if any, astrology has in
7
00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,360
providing guidance and direction
in our lives?
8
00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,080
If we accept the idea that
astrology rules our fate, then
9
00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,440
we are tacitly accepting the
sense of determinism and doing
10
00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,760
away with any role for free will
in the development of our lives.
11
00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,920
This position clearly runs
contrary to our innate sense of
12
00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:57,080
free will, which, even if not
absolutely correct, nevertheless
13
00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,480
expresses a deeply held
intuitive understanding in our
14
00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,200
human awareness.
At the same time, if we
15
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,920
recognize that we live in one
coherent universal existence and
16
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,840
all the parts are elements of
the whole subject to the
17
00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,440
vibrational patterns that occur
in the whole, and therefore
18
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,040
there is and must be an
influence.
19
00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,080
Philosophers and certain
scientists have noticed patterns
20
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,080
that occur in the macro universe
and in the micro universe.
21
00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,080
Fractals also repeat the pattern
to ever smaller values and
22
00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,960
fractals are represented
throughout the plant and animal
23
00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:46,360
Kingdom.
Clearly the sense of as above,
24
00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,960
so below has some real and
serious meaning in the world.
25
00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,280
This does not mean that we can
correctly interpret every
26
00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,720
perceived correspondence, but in
the main large patterns are able
27
00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,440
to express and signify for us
the influence of forces that
28
00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,360
work at the universal level and
impact individual lives.
29
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,840
We then come to the question of
free will and the ability to
30
00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,720
change the pattern at the
individual level, despite the
31
00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,200
universal influence that may be
active.
32
00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,440
Sri Aurobindo discusses this
point at some length.
33
00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,240
Sri Aurobindo notes quote many
astrological predictions come
34
00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,160
true, quite a mass of them if
one takes all together.
35
00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,640
But it does not follow that the
stars rule our destiny.
36
00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,360
The stars merely record a
destiny that has been already
37
00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,880
formed.
They are a hieroglyph, not a
38
00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,720
force.
Or if their action constitutes a
39
00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,680
force, it is a transmitting
energy, not an originating
40
00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,800
power.
Someone is there who has
41
00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,600
determined or something is there
which is fate.
42
00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,360
Let us say the stars are only
indicators.
43
00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,600
The astrologers themselves say
that there are two forces, Daiva
44
00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:18,480
and Purusakhara, fate and
individual energy, and the
45
00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,800
individual energy can modify and
even frustrate fate.
46
00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,280
Moreover, the stars often
indicate several fate
47
00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,520
possibilities, for example that
one may die in mid age, but that
48
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,680
if that determination can be
overcome, one can live to a
49
00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,840
predictable old age.
Finally, cases are seen in which
50
00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,040
the predictions of the horoscope
fulfill themselves with great
51
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,160
accuracy up to a certain age,
then apply no more.
52
00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,920
This often happens when the
subject turns away from the
53
00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,680
ordinary to the spiritual life.
If the turn is very radical, the
54
00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,600
cessation of predictability may
be immediate.
55
00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,360
Otherwise, certain results may
still last on for a time, but
56
00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,840
there is no longer the same
inevitability.
57
00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,200
This would seem to show that
there is or can be a higher
58
00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,519
power or higher plane, or higher
source of spiritual destiny,
59
00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:26,160
which can, if its hour has come,
override the lower power, lower
60
00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,080
plane, or lower source of vital
and material fate, of which the
61
00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,720
stars are indicators.
I say vital because character
62
00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,400
can also be indicated from the
horoscope much more completely
63
00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:43,440
and satisfactorily than the
events of the life.
64
00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,520
The Indian explanation of fate
is karma.
65
00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,560
We ourselves see our own fate
through our actions, but the
66
00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,120
fate created by us binds us for
what we have sown, we must reap
67
00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,200
in this life or another.
Still we are creating our fate
68
00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,800
for the future, even while
undergoing old fate from the
69
00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,480
past in the present.
That gives a meaning to our will
70
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,520
and action and does not, as
European critics wrongly
71
00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,080
believe, constitute A rigid and
sterilizing fatalism.
72
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,040
But again, our will and action
can often annul or modify even
73
00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,720
the past karma.
It is only strong effects called
74
00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,360
utkata karma that are non
modifiable.
75
00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:38,120
Here, too, the achievement of
the spiritual consciousness and
76
00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,600
life is supposed to annul or
give the power to annul karma.
77
00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,120
For we enter into union with the
will, divine, cosmic, or
78
00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,120
transcendent, which can annul
what it had sanctioned for
79
00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,040
certain conditions, new create
what it had created.
80
00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,080
The narrow fixed lines
disappear.
81
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,760
There is a more plastic freedom
and wideness.
82
00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,520
Neither Karma nor astrology,
therefore points to a rigid and
83
00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,400
forever immutable fate.
End Quote Reference Sri
84
00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,280
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
85
00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:22,760
One, Life Through the Eyes of
the Yogin, pages 13 to 14.
00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,840
There are those who treat
astrology as a science, those
2
00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,000
who believe that our fate is
determined by the stars, and
3
00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,400
also those who believe that
astrology is a pseudoscience
4
00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,560
with no real basis in anything
that can meaningfully either
5
00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,760
control our destiny or even
signify events in our lives.
6
00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,560
How can we understand what role,
if any, astrology has in
7
00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,360
providing guidance and direction
in our lives?
8
00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,080
If we accept the idea that
astrology rules our fate, then
9
00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,440
we are tacitly accepting the
sense of determinism and doing
10
00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,760
away with any role for free will
in the development of our lives.
11
00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,920
This position clearly runs
contrary to our innate sense of
12
00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:57,080
free will, which, even if not
absolutely correct, nevertheless
13
00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,480
expresses a deeply held
intuitive understanding in our
14
00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,200
human awareness.
At the same time, if we
15
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,920
recognize that we live in one
coherent universal existence and
16
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,840
all the parts are elements of
the whole subject to the
17
00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,440
vibrational patterns that occur
in the whole, and therefore
18
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,040
there is and must be an
influence.
19
00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,080
Philosophers and certain
scientists have noticed patterns
20
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,080
that occur in the macro universe
and in the micro universe.
21
00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,080
Fractals also repeat the pattern
to ever smaller values and
22
00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,960
fractals are represented
throughout the plant and animal
23
00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:46,360
Kingdom.
Clearly the sense of as above,
24
00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,960
so below has some real and
serious meaning in the world.
25
00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,280
This does not mean that we can
correctly interpret every
26
00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,720
perceived correspondence, but in
the main large patterns are able
27
00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,440
to express and signify for us
the influence of forces that
28
00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,360
work at the universal level and
impact individual lives.
29
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,840
We then come to the question of
free will and the ability to
30
00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,720
change the pattern at the
individual level, despite the
31
00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,200
universal influence that may be
active.
32
00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,440
Sri Aurobindo discusses this
point at some length.
33
00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,240
Sri Aurobindo notes quote many
astrological predictions come
34
00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,160
true, quite a mass of them if
one takes all together.
35
00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,640
But it does not follow that the
stars rule our destiny.
36
00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,360
The stars merely record a
destiny that has been already
37
00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,880
formed.
They are a hieroglyph, not a
38
00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,720
force.
Or if their action constitutes a
39
00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,680
force, it is a transmitting
energy, not an originating
40
00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,800
power.
Someone is there who has
41
00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,600
determined or something is there
which is fate.
42
00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,360
Let us say the stars are only
indicators.
43
00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,600
The astrologers themselves say
that there are two forces, Daiva
44
00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:18,480
and Purusakhara, fate and
individual energy, and the
45
00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,800
individual energy can modify and
even frustrate fate.
46
00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,280
Moreover, the stars often
indicate several fate
47
00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,520
possibilities, for example that
one may die in mid age, but that
48
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,680
if that determination can be
overcome, one can live to a
49
00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,840
predictable old age.
Finally, cases are seen in which
50
00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,040
the predictions of the horoscope
fulfill themselves with great
51
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,160
accuracy up to a certain age,
then apply no more.
52
00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,920
This often happens when the
subject turns away from the
53
00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,680
ordinary to the spiritual life.
If the turn is very radical, the
54
00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,600
cessation of predictability may
be immediate.
55
00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,360
Otherwise, certain results may
still last on for a time, but
56
00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,840
there is no longer the same
inevitability.
57
00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,200
This would seem to show that
there is or can be a higher
58
00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,519
power or higher plane, or higher
source of spiritual destiny,
59
00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:26,160
which can, if its hour has come,
override the lower power, lower
60
00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,080
plane, or lower source of vital
and material fate, of which the
61
00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,720
stars are indicators.
I say vital because character
62
00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,400
can also be indicated from the
horoscope much more completely
63
00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:43,440
and satisfactorily than the
events of the life.
64
00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,520
The Indian explanation of fate
is karma.
65
00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,560
We ourselves see our own fate
through our actions, but the
66
00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,120
fate created by us binds us for
what we have sown, we must reap
67
00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,200
in this life or another.
Still we are creating our fate
68
00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,800
for the future, even while
undergoing old fate from the
69
00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,480
past in the present.
That gives a meaning to our will
70
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,520
and action and does not, as
European critics wrongly
71
00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,080
believe, constitute A rigid and
sterilizing fatalism.
72
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,040
But again, our will and action
can often annul or modify even
73
00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,720
the past karma.
It is only strong effects called
74
00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,360
utkata karma that are non
modifiable.
75
00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:38,120
Here, too, the achievement of
the spiritual consciousness and
76
00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,600
life is supposed to annul or
give the power to annul karma.
77
00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,120
For we enter into union with the
will, divine, cosmic, or
78
00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,120
transcendent, which can annul
what it had sanctioned for
79
00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,040
certain conditions, new create
what it had created.
80
00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,080
The narrow fixed lines
disappear.
81
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,760
There is a more plastic freedom
and wideness.
82
00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,520
Neither Karma nor astrology,
therefore points to a rigid and
83
00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,400
forever immutable fate.
End Quote Reference Sri
84
00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,280
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
85
00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:22,760
One, Life Through the Eyes of
the Yogin, pages 13 to 14.
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