No Rulers, Just Tomatoes: Principled Anarchy with Michael Storm S3-EP1

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I had a conversation with somebody from India, and they don't understand Americans, and they don't understand anarchy, and they want to understand what that's about.

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And sort of trying to explain to them the idea of more liberty than liberty.

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They think – at least this individual has this idea that I think most statists do, especially someplace else.

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In America, we still, some of us think we're free, but they still have this idea that we wouldn't have what we have if it wasn't for government, if it wasn't for the organization of the system.

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All right, everybody.

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Welcome back to another episode of the Space Tomatoes podcast.

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I'm one of your hosts, Havoc.

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I'm the other guy, LX.

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Hello.

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I'm that other guy.

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Look at that guy.

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Today we have a special guest with us, Michael Storm, the principled anarchist.

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Welcome to the show.

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Hi, fellas.

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Thanks for inviting me.

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I really appreciate the opportunity to come chat with you and hang out with you.

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Looking forward to it.

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Absolutely.

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So, principled anarchist. So, here's a good question for you. What started you down the path of anarchy?

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Yeah, I mean, I guess that depends on how you look at it, because I've always been an anarchist. I've always sided with that ideology. I was very young when I first heard of anarchism. I don't know, 12 years old, something like that.

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But I also at the same time met a great libertarian man, a capital L libertarian, one of the earliest members of the Libertarian Party.

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And it just helped guide me.

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Those guys, those early members of the Libertarian Party were all anarchists or minarchists, if nothing else.

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And so I've just always had a young influence in that direction, but maybe not necessarily fully understanding an ideology of anarchy as much as I would today.

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okay yeah that makes sense i know for me i was kind of the opposite raised in you know the olden

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days and uh you know we didn't have free and available access to information outside of the

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five o'clock or ten o'clock news you know what i mean and you could go to a library and check out

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books but there there wasn't you know nobody was saying hey you need to go check out lysander spoon

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or Rothbard or, you know, Mises or, you know, the gosh, now I'm Bastiat or, you know, I mean,

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I can just keep listing authors, but nobody was really saying that. So I kind of grew up in a

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family that was conservative in nature. Yeah. And then, you know, going from that, I became

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disillusioned with that. And then from conservatism, I, you know, this tea party thing was going on and

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I'm like, Oh, well, let me check that out. And then I was like, all right, well, that's not it

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either. And then, uh, you know, I started looking at, you know, constitutional movements and I was

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like, yeah, there's something just, it's not, you know, go back to the, that's what's, we started

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there. Right. And so here we are going back to it, just what prolongs the inevitable maybe.

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And so I was like, and then I looked at the libertarian, big L libertarian, you know,

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concept. And, you know, by this point, yeah, you know, a lot of good messages, great people,

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I think in general, a lot of them. Um, but it's still revolved around the idea of a central

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governing authority, more freedom, more liberty, but still that central governing authority.

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And that's where I kind of started to, you know, there's got to be something else out there. And

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that's where I found, you know, anarchism myself.

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Maybe for our listeners, we can get into a little bit of what exactly the anarchy definition is,

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and what maybe both of you think it is, because I'm not well versed in it that much. And maybe

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there are different varying degrees uh i'm not really sure yeah there is it depends on who you

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want to side with typically anarchism is a leftist ideology but there is a very much a a more right

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i don't left right whatever uh ideology to anarchy in accepting things like capitalism

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and and realizing that there are actual things that are real in this world and it's not all

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just about how you feel about how government and people should act.

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Anarchy is simply no rulers.

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And that's it.

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And so for me, that means that I don't try to rule over other people,

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dictate what they do, determine what they do, unless they ask me.

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If they invite me in and they want my feedback on who they are

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and who I think they should be, then I will gladly give them that input.

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Otherwise, as long as they're not impeding me, I'm not impeding them.

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We're going to do fine.

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We're going to do great in this world.

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We're going to get along just like you and I and everybody else does on an everyday, day-to-day basis without consideration of the need for or the input of authority.

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Yeah.

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And I would mirror that statement.

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I mean, anarchy really comes from Latin, right?

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And I always mess up the second part.

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but an meaning without anarchy or I think it's arca, but I can't recall.

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I always mess this up.

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So double check, leave a comment, call me out on it.

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I'm good.

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I'll respond, follow my sword.

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But the second part means rulers, right?

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And that's literally what it means.

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And the idea is that we're, you know, essentially born into this world in that state, right?

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and, you know, through this program of indoctrination, we become, you know, hopeful

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statist, I suppose. But, you know, it is the most simple form of things and it literally comes down

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to don't harm others or their property and don't impede their ability to do and, you know, do what

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you want. Don't harm others and don't harm their property and don't impede others ability to do

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the following the prior three things right so everyone you know can go and basically do what

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you want you know you know being respectful etc is you know kind of a i think a human nature thing

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right you like this we see this all the time and in the news how people are at each other but

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you know lx you and i have had these discussions on this show right we diverse group of people with

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various ideas and ideologies and we have a great time once a year every year and it you know that's

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the natural state of humans right and so yeah i mirror that so i think the biggest question the

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biggest question i would have is respect is a big thing for me and it seems in my perspective a lot

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of people out there in the world do not have it so how do you um without rulers kind of how does

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everybody follow the uh agreed upon rules or is there rules or does it just does no rulers mean no

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rules or or how does that work and how do you make sure everybody is respectful of everybody else

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without overstepping and telling them what to do basically

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it's a thin line it's there's a thin line that it's it's such a thin line that let me explain

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it this way um there's a lot of political ideology just that suggests that it's multifaceted that

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freedom is multifaceted and that's a lie freedom is a straight line it's on this side is anarchy

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on this side is slavery and everything everywhere in between is just some lesser form of tyrannies

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and slavery. There are plenty of rules. There are all sorts of rules. The thing that the anarchist

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really appreciates about rules is actual rules, rules of law that you will. These are the types

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of things that while you may skirt them for a while, they will eventually catch up with you.

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You can only just jump off a cliff with a parachute just so many times before there's a failure, before there's a number somewhere in there, and the law of gravity takes over.

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And it's the same with people, and this is the answer to your question, really.

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It's about empowering individuals, and so the rules are something that you either voluntarily follow or you go somewhere else,

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and you don't play the game with those particular people.

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So it's based on what those rules are.

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If those rules are something that you can voluntarily participate in and you accept,

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then by all means, become a part of the community and participate.

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But if you're not, then you're not going to get along real well

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if you buck whatever system that you are born into, go into,

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in terms of always trying to fight against it.

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You know, I suggest that one turn their back on it as opposed to try to actively fight this this system that we have.

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And and but that doesn't mean that the rules don't still exist out here, that it's just free for all for everybody that I don't accept government authority.

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Well, then now I'm going to go out and start robbing and and caging and murdering people.

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No, because that's I believe that that's you don't do that to people. You don't take their things. You don't harm them. And and I think that we all already live this way and we don't need an authority to tell us that.

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And the empowered people part is where you get justice for people who are violated because they're empowered to to protect themselves and defend themselves and defend their property at the time, not wait around for some third party that says it can protect you to show up and shoot your dog or whatever they happen to do and then lock you in a cage because you violated one of their rules.

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But there's no victim. Right. Right.

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How do you go about achieving justice for people that are taken advantage of by people that just say, I don't want to be part of any system.

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I'm going to do whatever benefits me and I'm going to take whatever I want and that kind of person.

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Jump in anytime you want, Habik.

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I hear you guys there.

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I hit mute on my end so that I can listen fully to you guys.

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But jump in if you have any thoughts on any of this stuff, because I'm just going to keep going.

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No, absolutely.

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OK, I think, you know, at the end of the day, right, there's definitely rules with society.

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Societally, we have rules.

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A lot of people like to make this.

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Well, it's a law.

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That's why people don't do it.

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I don't know.

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You know, I live here and we all interact and we do our thing.

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And, you know, if someone's not happy, they'll open their window at two in the morning and yell, shut up, you know, and like we've had, there's no, nobody's, you see what I'm saying, right?

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This natural instinct, you know, to go and talk to someone and say, hey, let's, let's work this out.

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This is a problem for me, is there for us, right?

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So there are rules. And like, you know, Michael was saying, you know, the communities are going to have their own kind of sets of rules, right? How we cooperate, how we live together, how we, you know, maybe defend each other, etc.

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And so, you know, this is just a natural state, right?

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And then when you get into the lawbreakers, that's where a lot of people like to go, well, this would never work because roving gangs would set up like this.

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You mean like the federal government or the local government the roving gangs of people pulling you over because a light wasn functioning on a vehicle or something Literally claiming they have jurisdiction over a space

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Right. And so that's the difference. It becomes, you know, it becomes your job as part of a community to, you know, follow societal rules, right?

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norms, almost like norms, not just rules, right? What stops you, you know, people, you know,

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with some exceptions, again, you've got the criminal aspect, right? And there's the other

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aspect that Michael touched on, which is, you know, the self-defense. Right now, there's a big

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fear of defending oneself or one's property, because you're going to end up talking to the

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people than one of the roving gangs and trying to explain to them how this was a justifiable thing

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and good chance you're going to end up cuffed and taken in no matter what. So in this case,

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you defend yourself, you know, you defended yourself.

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It's happened to me. What you're talking about has happened to me. It happens about a hundred

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thousand times a year across the nation, if not more, somebody reasonably attempting to defend

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themselves or defending themselves charged just because they have violated some political or

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social opinion. They haven't even harmed anybody. That's the thing about it is that they haven't

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even harmed anybody in these instances. They've used a weapon or fear of some sort to drive

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someone away who threatened them. And the person who does that gets charged instead of the person

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who started the threat, who initiated this violence. There's words and then there's a line

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that's crossed. And when somebody starts approaching you with certain words out of their mouth saying

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they're going to harm you and hurt you, they've crossed a line. And if you're prepared to defend

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yourself and and you do it shouldn't be your fault if you reasonably defend yourself particularly if

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somebody backs away and you don't have to put somebody in the grave that day and uh it happens

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hundred thousand times at least a year across the nation somebody charged along those lines of

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justifiably trying to defend themselves or get this not just carrying a weapon just having a

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weapon and somebody reporting it and saying they feared for their life. It gets lumped in there.

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Maybe it doesn't happen as often as some of the other things that happen out there, but it happens.

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It's one of those things. You asked about justice and justice in a stateless society and an anarchist

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society and an enclave, whatever it happened to be. I love this because people think it's funny

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when I say it, but you want to know what justice is like in a stateless society and in an anarchist

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society, Judge Judy. That's justice. Somebody has a complaint against somebody. This guy violated me

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or he violated my property. Obviously, there are other extreme conditions. I'm talking about general

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conditions where all of us are generally in polite society agreeing that, oh, well, something

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happened here and something has to be done about it. You go before a third party arbiter and you

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present your case to them and you present the receipts and the evidence and that person makes

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a judgment call and and it's not based on uh you know precedent per se or what happened in the

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previous case or some law that exists it exists in this this common law this space that has always

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existed where we as a polite society feel violated by our neighbor we're talking about somebody in

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your community, generally speaking here, who violates you, violates your property, and you

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bring a complaint against them. And of course, obviously, they're extreme conditions. But a lot

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of the times, those extreme conditions are driven by the very nature of the system itself and the

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lack of support you get from the system, the things that the system takes from you and makes

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you weaker in, including just valuing yourself and your property as defensible.

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very well said very well said yeah it's it's uh you know it's

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i guess i just keep coming back to the same thing that's the way we come into this world

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right i mean you come into this world and when you're born there's no concept of a master or a

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ruler or some prime authority over you, right?

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You are free, naked, screaming, and hopefully someone will feed you.

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Hopefully.

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And then I think an important thing, you know,

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on the anarchist side of the house is there are different factions,

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different ideologies, typically centered around economics, okay?

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And you've got on kind of one side of this, you've got, you know, and I'm just going to say anarcho one time.

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It's just kind of anarcho this.

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And you've got the anarcho socialists, the communists and the mutualists, which all kind of are in that loose area.

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And then on the other side, you've kind of got the end caps or anarcho capitalists.

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See, I actually did say it twice. Individualists kind of sit in between, I guess, those. And then somewhere in there is the anarchists. Right. And these are, you know, black flag, old school anarchists that are like, I don't care about your economy. I don't care about what you want to do. You know, it's just plain anarchy. Right.

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And so there's varying ideas. So the idea behind this is, you know, there would certainly be enclaves or communities, tribes, whatever you want to call them, communes of, you know, communists, socialists, mutualists, individualists, probably not.

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They'd probably be doing mostly their own thing, but work out trade and barter and work whatever with the other communities, you know, and then the anarcho-capitalists, which are, you know, really just the only difference there is, you know, capitalism, right?

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here's a token that represents some worth and i'm going to trade it with you and you're going to give

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me you know that worth right and uh you know it's it's an interesting thing because it's if you want

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to if you want a room of people that can never agree with each other put 10 anarchists in a room

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yeah that's the libertarians too that's why there's such a toothless useless sort of

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political force because they're already disenfranchised with the left and right and what

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they have to offer. And so they just sort of try to meet somewhere in the middle as if that's a

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place that really exists when the left and the right are like right here, right next to each

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other. You can't even put a hair or a piece of paper between them. There's so no difference

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between them. Just some appearance on social issues. But that all waxes and wanes depending

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on the wax job on the hairdo of the guy that's in charge.

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Yeah, and it is an interesting thing, right?

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I mean, it just is.

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You get freedom-loving people together,

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and just like everyone else, they have different ideas.

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But I've seen a lot more of that community coming together.

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You'll see ANCAP sitting there saying,

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you know hey you know helicopter rides folks you need to chill out that's that's not that's not it

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doesn't fit in the vein of and of an end cap ideology you know you don't take people you don't

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like up in a helicopter and kick them out and the same with the tankies right and the tankies are the

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common and and comms is what they're called anarcho-communists that you know again they

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want to you know impose communism and it's like well that's not and you just take the anarcho

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off of that because you're, you're, and what you're saying is we want to centrally rule,

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right? Everybody shall be like us. And that's one of the big issues, right? Is, uh, and,

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and a lot of why I gravitated towards individualism, but really it just fits me,

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right? I live on a little farm out in the middle of nowhere. I engage with very few people in real

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life. And if I could never leave my property ever again, I'd be very, very happy about that.

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so all right so i got a question for you havoc what is because i would probably self-identify

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because i really don't self-identify as anything as a live and let live kind of person what is the

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difference between that and an anarchist if anything there isn't there is not that's that's

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exactly the principle live and let live don't harm other people don't harm their property

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and you know do what you want right and don't impede other people's ability to do what they

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want and don't harm their, you know, you see what I'm saying is live and let live. You're living,

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doing what you want, having a good time, and you're going to let others do the same. It's

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literally that simple, you know, in another term for the greater, uh, anarchy movement, uh, all of

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the ideologies is you, and you'll hear me say this, right? I'm, I'm a small L libertarian because

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in in the you know old days like 1800s you know even prior to that that was the term used it wasn't

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anarchist it was primary primarily just libertarian and then along came you know the libertarian party

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and now there's there's a need to do you know be distinct in that right i i am not a statist i'm

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not a minarchist at all. I'm not a statist. I don't believe that it is necessary, reasonable,

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or good at all. Um, and libertarians do, they feel we still need, you know, X, Y, and Z. And

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it aligns really closely with minarchy and minarchy is I want anarchy, except we need to

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have a state. We need to protect the borders. We need a military, you know, stuff like that,

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which I don't know why they have Arky in there.

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It's, you know, minimum Arky, I guess.

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Minimum rulers, so.

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I think the biggest roadblock you face with anarchy

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is just the name itself.

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I mean, for me, not knowing anything about it,

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I mean, what, the instant image that comes in my head

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is some 80s punk rocker wearing the leather jacket

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with the big A on the back,

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and he's got the, you know, Liberty spiked hairdo

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and the, you know, spiked chains,

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and he just wants to rebel against everything

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for the simple fact that it's there to rebel against.

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That honestly is accurate as fuck.

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I mean, it is.

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I own a leather jacket.

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I don't have a mohawk.

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I never had a mohawk, but.

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I did.

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I did.

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And a leather jacket.

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But yeah, no, absolutely, right?

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A lot of this, you know, current movement of this, right?

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the upswelling of it came from kind of the punk rock movement, right?

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And if you listen to those songs, you'll hear the cry for freedom, for liberty, for, you know, this is ridiculous.

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Stop, you know, doing what you're doing.

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And a lot of them, in fact, I would say the vast majority of them, you'll find, you know, very strong anti-war messages in them as well, right?

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Right. So in the thing, I think it's really this is an important piece here.

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20 years ago, if you heard the term conspiracy theorist, you're thinking a guy with tinfoil walls and ceiling and floor and maybe a tinfoil hat.

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And, you know, he's like hiding in the, you know, and that's what you thought of.

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Just total whack job. Right.

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The guy's sitting there talking about MKUltra and, you know, Operation Sea Spray and, you know, all of these things.

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And, oh, my gosh, he's just a whack job.

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And now we are like OK well all of that was true and we know it now So conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists are no longer quite as you know it like what the difference between a fact and a conspiracy theory A few months

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yeah anymore and then of course that's a manufactured term too right i mean that's a

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that's a term that's used negatively by the system to address people and and to to demonize them and

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one of the things they love to do this is something that that was just an interesting

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take on it that happened here recently you know all the the scientists that went missing have gone

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killed themselves disappeared whatever all these things have happened right and they're all

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supposedly tied to the nuclear program.

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And as soon as I've been watching it for some time

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and been bubbling in the background there for a while

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and say anything about it,

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because I know exactly where it's going.

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It goes where this stuff goes all the time,

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whether there's any truth or any validity to it or not.

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There's some manipulation.

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There's something else behind paying attention to it at this point.

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And as soon as it got into the public eye,

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they immediately went,

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These guys worked at Area 51, and it was UFOs, and don't pay attention to this.

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So whether there was anything there or not, they immediately wanted you to not pay attention to it

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or wanted to associate it with the real conspiracy guys.

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They love to get the conspiracy guys with the alien stuff.

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If you can get conspiracy guy and alien at the same time, you can discredit anything else that comes out of his mouth.

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They love that.

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Yeah, and most of that's manufactured.

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Anarchy, anarchism, anarchist, all of those terms have been bastardized now the same way conspiracy theorist was bastardized, right?

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It was actually created by the CIA to kookify people that were like getting info and finding out about things through hunches and then research and, you know, a lot of work on their end.

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And they're like, we got to kookify these things.

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And if you want a great example of that, pull up Mel Gibson's movie, Conspiracy Theorist.

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And that'll give you a perfect example.

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In the movie, he's highlighted as a whack job, total weird nut, etc.

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He's talking about MKUltra and mind control.

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And all this stuff, again, is well known now.

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But they tried to kookify people, right?

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Make them whack jobs for digging into this stuff.

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And so the same is true with anarchy, right? Now you hear, you know, most people hear anarchy and they think, oh, you know, burning cars and destroying property and hurting people and, you know, all this stuff. This, the antithesis of anarchy or anarchism.

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And what you'll find if you do an honest review of who and what are historically called anarchists

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They're almost invariably just some other socialist statist

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That isn't happy with the power structure at the time

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Almost all of these anarchist movements that come up

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They're socialist movements

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They're leftist communist movements that are out to destroy creativity and free ideas and take over the state in almost every case.

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And you've said a word there a few times.

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We've said the word there a few times.

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That's the big difference between the real big difference, not just economy, between this sort of left anarchists and right anarchists or not politically aligned anarchists.

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I don't know.

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I guess it's economic lines.

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It was just looking at it as economic lines left and right and not political lines,

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which is still not much of an explanation at all anyway.

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I forgot what my point was here real quick.

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That's all right. It happens to me too.

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I'm sure it will come right back to me.

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I'm sure it will.

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So I even write down a couple of notes just so I can come back to a couple of things.

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But oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was what you mentioned, what we've all mentioned a few times, the big separating line between the types of anarchists, the left and the right anarchists, is the property line.

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It's literally the property line.

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These guys on one side of it don't believe that property is a valid thing.

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And the other guys believe that you come into this world and you make and create and barter and buy what you have and it's yours.

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And nobody has any claim or right to it unless you offer it to them.

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And that includes you as an individual, you yourself, everything that you yourself produce and everything that is you yourself.

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The property line.

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yeah and to be fair right I mean in on the the you know the more I don't like using the left

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right paradigm it doesn't describe it very because and then you have to start talking

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about the economics you have to start talking about the economics of it and you've mentioned

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some of the important points and and then I was pointing over here to Henry Hazlitt here

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so talking about the the the history of anarchy and the long history of anarchy I don't know what

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we had 600 years or something like that uh and and so there's all of these stories and there's

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all these philosophies and there's all these people and i don't know who any of them are

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i i've heard of a few of them i know a few of the names but i aside from the you know reading like

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the constitution of no authority which i got around to reading a couple years ago uh i have

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no idea what what brought me there was a right-wing libertarianism if you will it was learning about

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Bastia. It was learning Hazlitt, Henley Hazlitt, Economics in One Lesson is the only economics

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book I've ever read. And the only law book I've ever read is Bastia. So yeah, that's my, that's my

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basis for my anarchism. Both great books, honestly. And to be fair on the, on the end,

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calm and sock side, right? It's not that you can't, you know, have your home and things like

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that, right? It's what you're using, right? I've taken a good amount of time, you know, engaging in

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conversation with people that are on, you know, mutualist, communist, socialist sides, uh, to try

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and understand it because it doesn't make sense to me because all I've ever known about those

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ideologies is, uh, you know, the statist portion of that. And so, you know, they're basically saying

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their big thing is, you know, you know, they're not big on landlords and things of that nature.

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Right. Whereas like the end cap side would be like, yeah, if I want to own 50 homes and rent

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out 49 of them, I can do that. You know what I mean? And I don't have a problem with either side,

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to be honest with you. I really don't. I don't want to be in, you know, I kind of want to do my

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own thing. I just, just, I'm going to be my individualist self and do my own thing and I'll

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That's perfect.

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Who trade with the ANCAPs.

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Right there as an individualist because that means you probably don't want to necessarily own property because then you're tied to that property.

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You're tied to the city.

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You're tied to the community.

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You're tied to all these.

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That's one of the things that interests me about the ANCOMs and the difference between that understanding of property.

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And I get that the idea of property should be about utility and management.

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But that's what somebody does when they rent out property for somebody else to live in as long as they continue to manage it.

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That's the utility is somebody lives there.

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So I'm at a disconnect.

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I'm in the same space that you are.

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I really don't get it.

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I don't.

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Their arguments fall apart once it gets to the point where you talk about other people being involved in doing and creating and having the things that they have.

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You want to go live on somebody else's property that lets you live there and you eat the dirt and eat what's on the land and what you can grow, then maybe you can live a communist lifestyle.

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But it doesn't scale.

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And frankly, anarchism doesn't scale either.

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None of these things scale.

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Democracy doesn't scale.

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Republican ideals don't scale.

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People scale.

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Ideas about respect for the individual and leaving that person alone, the live and let live.

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that's what scales none of this other stuff scales with it none of it not even anarchism i'd love to

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say it does but it doesn't no it doesn't and that's that's a key ingredient i think a lot of

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people you know when they're interested in learning about it or or engaged in a debate about it or

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wondering if there's any utility to it whatsoever you know they're one of the key questions they

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have well how does that work how do you manage the united states you don't why why would you ever

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want to manage all of that like your community like for me it might be my street right and my

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street has you know very few homes on it but that's it there is if you're in like new york city

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it may be a floor of your building it may be the building it may be a couple of segments in the

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building but it wouldn't be if it grows outside of that then you're you're you're you're back to

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where we don't want to be right you're now managing the lives of someone else that have nothing to do

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with you and you don't even know who they are we know this we know this sociology the sociology

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behind it we know the biology behind it we pretty well understand it at this point and you know you

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get past about 60 people 60 faces 100 faces in your community you don't know people anymore you

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know who they are and so you start that's where it really begins to break down and i'm not

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suggesting that all of our communities need to be any given size or any particular size but i think

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people need to realize that once you get past a certain size of a community that somebody somewhere

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is going to have to make decisions about what's done and and and and it's weird that you wouldn't

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think that people wouldn't think that that would happen because in that other community,

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somebody still has to make decisions, even if they pretend that it's a committee and

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they all show up and they vote for it.

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And they're all happy about the vote when they walk out.

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Ha ha.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, that's 100 percent true.

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Right.

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And so it's really about small localized communities, tribes, if you will.

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Sorry, I'm trying to get my shoes over here.

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Tribes, if you will, you know, really keeping it local and contained because

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at the end of the day and the interesting piece here right you you just did an episode on on your

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podcast uh and it was about uh this concept of you know self-defense through local voting right

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and i'm personally not big on that but i i understand the concept and and i think if you

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were to apply a vote somewhere and lend credibility to that system in general,

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the only place that it would make any sense to do that is as locally as possible for me.

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Right. I won't do it because it's against my principle period. Right. I just don't believe

405
00:37:34,196 --> 00:37:39,956
any of those entities. But the concept is, you know, they're going to pass this thing and it's

406
00:37:39,956 --> 00:37:47,056
going to do X, Y, and Z, and that's bad, so I'm going to vote no on it. It's not so much I'm going

407
00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:54,796
to vote yes for this new thing, it's I'm going to use my self-defense mechanism to say no, I don't.

408
00:37:55,156 --> 00:38:01,856
Just stop, you know? Yeah, pretend like they're not attacking you, take the defensive part out,

409
00:38:01,896 --> 00:38:07,176
and it's still just voting. That's the answer to that question. It works as well as voting does.

410
00:38:07,176 --> 00:38:14,276
It doesn't. It works on a small scale. It doesn't scale. It just it's not the way we're supposed to live.

411
00:38:14,276 --> 00:38:17,976
And because it just it gets too big, it's too big to manage.

412
00:38:17,976 --> 00:38:22,236
And and everybody likes to think, oh, you can put the great management team in place.

413
00:38:22,236 --> 00:38:27,096
It's not that doesn't work like that. We're not we you don't manage people like that.

414
00:38:27,136 --> 00:38:35,776
You manage businesses like that. And and the people that work in businesses, you can manage them like that because they stop being people when they walk in the door of the business.

415
00:38:35,776 --> 00:38:44,016
They are now a cog in the wheel of the business, and hopefully they're there voluntarily and getting paid what they deserve to be paid for.

416
00:38:44,176 --> 00:39:15,204
But they given up that sovereignty that exists on the other side of that door to suggest that yes there somebody who can run this place better than I can or at least he in charge right now until I get there Either way we accept it And we can accept that in any situation in any little community It all about the fact that we still manage to have the things that we

417
00:39:15,204 --> 00:39:23,444
have. I just had a conversation with somebody from India, and they don't understand Americans,

418
00:39:23,444 --> 00:39:28,764
and they don't understand anarchy and they want to understand what that's about.

419
00:39:28,764 --> 00:39:36,464
And sort of trying to explain to them the idea of more liberty than liberty.

420
00:39:37,124 --> 00:39:43,204
They think, you know, at least this individual has this idea that I think most statists do,

421
00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:46,324
especially someplace else.

422
00:39:46,364 --> 00:39:48,824
In America, we still, some of us think we're free,

423
00:39:48,824 --> 00:39:57,444
But they still have this idea that we wouldn't have what we have if it wasn't for government, if it wasn't for the organization of the system.

424
00:39:58,184 --> 00:40:05,184
And I just tell them, and it blows their minds, I think exactly the opposite.

425
00:40:05,544 --> 00:40:08,224
And I think it's obvious that it's exactly the opposite.

426
00:40:08,384 --> 00:40:17,144
I think we would be much further along as a society, much better people, more happier society if it wasn't for government holding us back all the time.

427
00:40:17,144 --> 00:40:21,904
government always interfering and leeching office i mean we're talking about the leech class

428
00:40:21,904 --> 00:40:27,724
and they call themselves a political class but they are the leech class they don't do any work

429
00:40:27,724 --> 00:40:34,084
but go around trying to find reasons for us to hire them to do some kind of work like defense

430
00:40:34,084 --> 00:40:39,284
or something like that that we almost never need and and they can't even meet that

431
00:40:39,284 --> 00:40:45,324
another previous episode can they defend us recent episode of the show can they defend us

432
00:40:45,324 --> 00:40:46,264
Can they protect us?

433
00:40:46,364 --> 00:40:47,784
No, because they're not there.

434
00:40:47,864 --> 00:40:49,984
They're not there at the time and the space.

435
00:40:50,004 --> 00:40:54,464
And they just make up all these reasons and excuses why we should have to pay them.

436
00:40:54,464 --> 00:40:55,384
And they're a leech class.

437
00:40:55,464 --> 00:40:57,844
They produce jack squat, but wars.

438
00:41:01,984 --> 00:41:03,464
And we know what wars do.

439
00:41:04,364 --> 00:41:05,744
I mean, they destroy.

440
00:41:06,004 --> 00:41:07,524
They're not production.

441
00:41:08,124 --> 00:41:11,804
It's another one of those false economic ideas, right?

442
00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:13,824
We were in a depression.

443
00:41:14,044 --> 00:41:15,024
Things weren't going great.

444
00:41:15,024 --> 00:41:19,764
So then all of a sudden the war came along and there was all this activity and all this production and everything.

445
00:41:19,764 --> 00:41:21,504
And we came out of this Great Depression.

446
00:41:23,364 --> 00:41:24,184
Not really.

447
00:41:25,504 --> 00:41:27,284
There's a whole different side to that.

448
00:41:27,364 --> 00:41:32,584
There's a whole other side to that you're missing in that conversation a lot.

449
00:41:33,204 --> 00:41:35,624
I mean, think about what we're doing right now.

450
00:41:35,624 --> 00:41:49,124
Each of us has a screen in front of us, a camera, a microphone, some kind of a listening device, probably a mixer, a computer, keyboard, mouse, all these things.

451
00:41:51,964 --> 00:41:54,304
What was government's role in all of that?

452
00:41:55,584 --> 00:41:57,664
I'm sitting in a house right now.

453
00:41:58,204 --> 00:42:00,444
What was government's role in that?

454
00:42:01,524 --> 00:42:03,244
They'll send you the tax bill every year.

455
00:42:03,824 --> 00:42:04,764
Well, of course.

456
00:42:05,624 --> 00:42:12,844
But, but you see what I'm saying in that to the point right there, you just made the point they take, that's all they do.

457
00:42:12,844 --> 00:42:17,084
They take and then they fund whatever they feel like funding.

458
00:42:17,184 --> 00:42:28,084
And, and, you know, it's, it's, it's absolutely painfully obvious to anyone that pays even a modicum of attention that they don't work for you.

459
00:42:28,164 --> 00:42:28,724
Right.

460
00:42:28,964 --> 00:42:34,844
The, the current war unpopular, you know, there's a number of things that are vast.

461
00:42:35,624 --> 00:42:42,064
vastly unpopular. And I don't know if you saw it, but Mike Huckabee, who is now the ambassador

462
00:42:42,064 --> 00:42:48,744
for Israel, came out and, you know, there was an interview done. I just caught a clip of this. I

463
00:42:48,744 --> 00:42:53,204
didn't watch this episode because I can't stand to listen to those people for more than a minute or

464
00:42:53,204 --> 00:42:59,464
so. But, you know, he was asked, you know, well, you know, do the American voices matter? You know,

465
00:42:59,464 --> 00:43:05,044
the constituents that these people represent, do they even matter? And Huckabee said, yeah,

466
00:43:05,044 --> 00:43:10,504
of course they do. And I'm paraphrasing. I'm not quoting this exactly. Yeah, of course they do.

467
00:43:10,824 --> 00:43:15,824
And they said, you know, the question was, well, what about this war? You know, this Iran war,

468
00:43:15,824 --> 00:43:21,004
it's, it's not popular. Well, we can't leave, you know, big decisions up to the people.

469
00:43:22,144 --> 00:43:27,824
There it is. He just said the quiet part out loud, right? You aren't being represented,

470
00:43:28,064 --> 00:43:33,064
you're being dictated to. And, you know, they're going to give you all the promises in the world.

471
00:43:33,064 --> 00:43:38,124
And when they get in, they're going to do whatever the heck they're being told to or they feel like doing.

472
00:43:38,764 --> 00:43:51,544
And most of the time, that's going to be very inclusive of making sure that their donors and, you know, other classes are getting paid well, very well on your dime.

473
00:43:53,404 --> 00:43:54,904
It usually comes out of money.

474
00:43:55,004 --> 00:44:00,364
Every time I've ever asked myself why it comes out of money in the end.

475
00:44:00,504 --> 00:44:01,804
Yeah, it's always money.

476
00:44:01,804 --> 00:44:08,844
you know always but the funny thing is you know i mean like you know uh ayn rand atlas shrugged

477
00:44:08,844 --> 00:44:15,064
right money is a tool it's it's just something to transact with it's you know but we've put it on

478
00:44:15,064 --> 00:44:22,364
this pedestal as something far more than that right and furthermore the government has been

479
00:44:22,364 --> 00:44:28,744
choosing winners and losers for a very long time you know you want to go start your own shop and

480
00:44:28,744 --> 00:44:33,424
and, you know, go, you know, get a building and start doing all this. You're, you're on your own,

481
00:44:33,484 --> 00:44:38,864
man. You're just on your own. Uh, you know, BMW comes in and they're like, Oh, would you like a

482
00:44:38,864 --> 00:44:44,764
railway coming up to your door? And, you know, a nice freeway on off ramp right at your facility.

483
00:44:44,984 --> 00:44:50,504
And, you know, Hey, maybe we could just take your taxes off the bill for, you know, 20 years or so.

484
00:44:50,504 --> 00:44:54,584
And, you know, all you could do is promise us a few jobs, you know, you're going to create a

485
00:44:54,584 --> 00:44:59,024
couple of jobs here and there. And, you know, so right there, they're choosing winners and losers,

486
00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:04,524
right? You didn't get anything. Sure. You could go apply for an SBA loan or something and,

487
00:45:04,604 --> 00:45:08,884
you know, do something like that. But, you know, I mean, these guys get courted like,

488
00:45:08,944 --> 00:45:14,144
Hey, we have this, would you like to move here? You know what I mean? It's a completely rigged

489
00:45:14,144 --> 00:45:18,764
system when it, when it comes down to it. And so, you know, government doesn't create,

490
00:45:18,764 --> 00:45:25,224
it doesn't create well you know yeah i guess even then it doesn't create right

491
00:45:25,224 --> 00:45:32,484
it just buys stuff and and takes your money to do it they're real good at spending the money though

492
00:45:32,484 --> 00:45:38,524
yeah they just take money from one place and and spend it that's what they do yeah and

493
00:45:38,524 --> 00:45:46,484
unfortunately they don't they don't do a a lot of other good in the process and and it's just

494
00:45:46,484 --> 00:45:51,604
kind of wasted money going to them unfortunately because i think most of these things the you know

495
00:45:51,604 --> 00:45:58,384
the smaller communities can be come together and have things done it's an interesting thing

496
00:45:58,384 --> 00:46:03,704
somebody was talking i don't even remember who it was i was watching could have been anybody

497
00:46:03,704 --> 00:46:12,024
but they were they were talking specifically about oh it was mike rowe and he was talking to

498
00:46:12,024 --> 00:46:18,024
who was the guy i'll never remember who it was uh they but they were just talking about

499
00:46:18,024 --> 00:46:23,484
they're just talking about sort of life in general and and and it just it was funny because

500
00:46:23,484 --> 00:46:30,964
the other guy he happened to mention something that struck me weirdly because he said one of

501
00:46:30,964 --> 00:46:35,904
the best greatest things that ever happened and i'm a capitalist so don't get me wrong don't

502
00:46:35,904 --> 00:46:42,784
this isn't going in in the wrong direction was the stock market coming along and i said

503
00:46:42,784 --> 00:46:49,284
no wait wait a minute that's a guy who i think he was a sociology professor a big guy in sociology

504
00:46:49,284 --> 00:46:57,524
and and so he understands people but he doesn't understand this he does he doesn't understand how

505
00:46:57,524 --> 00:47:05,164
how the stock market is just gambling for rich people and how it displaces investment it takes

506
00:47:05,164 --> 00:47:11,864
money that a rich person could be investing in his own community and puts it into some company

507
00:47:11,864 --> 00:47:19,764
somewhere else, some corporation out there on Wall Street. And so it just strikes me as there's so

508
00:47:19,764 --> 00:47:23,964
many people that believe that Wall Street, good thing, good thing. And so many people that believe

509
00:47:23,964 --> 00:47:31,204
Wall Street, bad thing. And there's so many different aspects of it to it to point to it,

510
00:47:31,204 --> 00:47:46,004
But just the general idea of what it does in terms of redistributing wealth out of states and competing states and making states compete against each other for things they wouldn't otherwise have to compete against.

511
00:47:46,004 --> 00:47:56,204
If you didn't have this legalized market for gambling on these companies, obviously you have to have a market for investing in anything anybody wants to.

512
00:47:56,724 --> 00:47:57,844
That's natural.

513
00:47:57,844 --> 00:48:08,584
But this created this space where it's protected and there's rules and, well, the government gets a cut.

514
00:48:08,764 --> 00:48:15,384
It's not going on in some boardroom or some back room somewhere that nobody knows about and they get their cut out of it.

515
00:48:15,724 --> 00:48:17,944
It's rules for thee, not for me.

516
00:48:19,404 --> 00:48:23,104
Yeah, and back to the they're good at spending money.

517
00:48:23,324 --> 00:48:26,464
Well, everyone is when it's not yours, right?

518
00:48:26,464 --> 00:48:30,124
I mean, if I gave you a card and said, hey, you know, here's this card.

519
00:48:30,244 --> 00:48:30,744
It's unlimited.

520
00:48:30,944 --> 00:48:31,544
Just go ahead.

521
00:48:31,744 --> 00:48:32,844
Go whatever you need.

522
00:48:32,904 --> 00:48:34,024
Just go for it.

523
00:48:34,904 --> 00:48:38,664
You're going to go spend money.

524
00:48:39,504 --> 00:48:45,124
If it's your card, you're going to think really hard about every purchase, right?

525
00:48:45,184 --> 00:48:46,044
And that's the difference.

526
00:48:46,144 --> 00:48:48,864
They have no incentive to think about what they're doing with it.

527
00:48:49,064 --> 00:48:49,564
There's none.

528
00:48:52,004 --> 00:48:52,684
That's true.

529
00:48:53,584 --> 00:48:54,644
It's not up there.

530
00:48:54,644 --> 00:48:58,804
I was thinking my facsimile in the first appearance of Wolverine was up there.

531
00:48:59,224 --> 00:48:59,664
First cover.

532
00:48:59,924 --> 00:49:04,244
I was going to say that you give me the credit card and tell me I want to do with it.

533
00:49:04,244 --> 00:49:07,144
It's the difference between me owning the original and the facsimile.

534
00:49:09,584 --> 00:49:10,024
Right.

535
00:49:10,564 --> 00:49:11,504
Yeah, exactly.

536
00:49:11,684 --> 00:49:12,784
And that's that's the thing.

537
00:49:12,844 --> 00:49:15,384
It's it's really easy to spend other people's money.

538
00:49:16,024 --> 00:49:16,944
It really is.

539
00:49:17,064 --> 00:49:19,864
It requires almost no conscious effort.

540
00:49:21,204 --> 00:49:23,184
And there's no penalty for it.

541
00:49:23,184 --> 00:49:26,904
That's the thing that they've learned over the years is nobody ever pays for it.

542
00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:32,664
Every once in a while, one of these guys will go to jail or get sued or something like that.

543
00:49:32,664 --> 00:49:41,324
But given how many of them there are that are grifting people on a daily basis, because we all think about the large central government.

544
00:49:41,484 --> 00:49:43,704
Well, what about the large state government?

545
00:49:44,144 --> 00:49:46,344
What about the large county government?

546
00:49:47,164 --> 00:49:49,844
They're just as corrupt, if not more.

547
00:49:49,844 --> 00:49:55,064
I think it's more

548
00:49:55,064 --> 00:49:56,444
I think it's more corrupt

549
00:49:56,444 --> 00:49:58,724
On the state level

550
00:49:58,724 --> 00:49:59,904
And the county level

551
00:49:59,904 --> 00:50:02,724
And certain cities too

552
00:50:02,724 --> 00:50:04,104
I don't know

553
00:50:04,104 --> 00:50:06,144
Because on the central level

554
00:50:06,144 --> 00:50:09,364
All they have is their show

555
00:50:09,364 --> 00:50:11,564
They get to put on their big show

556
00:50:11,564 --> 00:50:12,984
For democracy

557
00:50:12,984 --> 00:50:16,164
And for strength

558
00:50:16,164 --> 00:50:19,344
So that's all they really worry about

559
00:50:19,344 --> 00:50:23,884
Whereas when you get down to the state level, you can start getting to the county level and things like that.

560
00:50:23,944 --> 00:50:28,404
You actually get down to the resource management and the things that are going on in those states.

561
00:50:29,264 --> 00:50:37,024
And and and, you know, who and you're talking about government picking winners, you know, happens there, too.

562
00:50:37,524 --> 00:50:45,464
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's it's funny. It's like, you know, another big argument is, you know, well, people need help.

563
00:50:45,464 --> 00:51:15,124
Right. And, uh, you know, there's people that need help, they need assistance and that doesn't stop. Right. I mean, if I, if I had all the money back, I would be far more charitable with my own community. You know what I mean? Um, and back in 2000 range, somewhere around 2000s, I remember seeing something online where someone had posted, you know, that only a small fraction of what is actually paid in goes to

564
00:51:15,124 --> 00:51:22,204
recipients, you know, welfare recipients. So I decided, um, I'm going to go down this rabbit hole.

565
00:51:22,204 --> 00:51:27,324
And I started digging things up and pulling numbers and everything else. And this is back

566
00:51:27,324 --> 00:51:33,824
in 2000. The average payout for someone on, you know, assistance was about $12,500.

567
00:51:35,244 --> 00:51:41,024
The amount that went, that was actually paid through that system to get that person,

568
00:51:41,024 --> 00:51:45,024
$12,500 was $85,000.

569
00:51:45,024 --> 00:51:58,024
So if you're arguing that government is necessary to help people, just think about the fact that that same person would have gotten an $85,000 check, not a $12,500 one.

570
00:51:58,024 --> 00:52:00,024
Which one seems more helpful to you?

571
00:52:00,024 --> 00:52:01,024
Isn't that crazy?

572
00:52:01,024 --> 00:52:04,944
Yeah, even if it was only half of that amount, it's still.

573
00:52:04,992 --> 00:52:10,372
you know, even, yeah, just a little less. Yeah. Yeah. And they're all living beyond gated

574
00:52:10,372 --> 00:52:17,552
communities and driving brand new cars. Yeah. So it's one of these things that, you know, look,

575
00:52:17,692 --> 00:52:24,672
we, whether we like it or not, at the end of the day, you, we, we are indoctrinated pretty much,

576
00:52:24,672 --> 00:52:31,072
you know, the second we start learning to read and, and, you know, talk and, you know, uh, you

577
00:52:31,072 --> 00:52:39,092
know, become slightly educated, right? Some argue from birth. Some, yeah. And it's possible. Yeah.

578
00:52:39,172 --> 00:52:42,992
I mean, there, there, there definitely are. Yeah. Homeschool. That's another rabbit hole.

579
00:52:42,992 --> 00:52:50,232
But that's, that's a whole show on its own. But, you know, so, you know, and, and look,

580
00:52:50,332 --> 00:52:55,412
parents are, are amazing. Right. But at the end of the day, you know, we all do, you know,

581
00:52:55,412 --> 00:53:15,752
We all have or do, and maybe not all of us, there are some communities that are wise to this and doing home births and homeschooling and everything else. And I'm a huge fan of that. But outside of those communities, which which exist and they are flourishing, but they're smaller and they're few and far between.

582
00:53:15,752 --> 00:53:27,072
And, you know, we then get put into this inter indoctrination camp where we spend the next 12 years being taught what, you know, what a good status does.

583
00:53:27,232 --> 00:53:31,092
You know, let me let me give you the history as we wrote it.

584
00:53:31,772 --> 00:53:32,992
Maybe it's not real.

585
00:53:33,152 --> 00:53:34,032
Maybe it is.

586
00:53:34,472 --> 00:53:36,112
You may find out someday.

587
00:53:36,332 --> 00:53:39,612
But, you know, we get talked about the political system.

588
00:53:39,732 --> 00:53:41,192
We don't get told about anarchism.

589
00:53:41,292 --> 00:53:43,052
We don't get told about agorism.

590
00:53:43,052 --> 00:54:07,552
We don't get told about, you know, even libertarianism, right? Maybe, maybe in a small, I remember hearing about the Green Party, but never libertarian parties. And so it's really, oh, well, you're either blue or you're red, you know, and, you know, so you're going to have to find which one is your voice, you know, and, you know, this indoctrination to become a good statist happens from an early stage, right?

591
00:54:07,552 --> 00:54:23,152
And so it's, you know, it's no wonder that people protect that system because they've been taught throughout, you know, years and years of having this pounded in their head that this is, you know, this is good.

592
00:54:23,252 --> 00:54:23,952
It's freedom.

593
00:54:24,292 --> 00:54:28,632
You have, you know, more freedom than anywhere else in the world.

594
00:54:28,632 --> 00:54:30,552
And, you know, I love that.

595
00:54:30,832 --> 00:54:31,592
What was that?

596
00:54:32,532 --> 00:54:33,192
Oh, gosh.

597
00:54:33,552 --> 00:54:36,712
The opening five minutes of the newsroom.

598
00:54:36,712 --> 00:54:43,552
If you've never seen that series, just pull up that that opening five minute scene.

599
00:54:43,812 --> 00:54:49,912
Just look up, you know, opening scene newsroom and just listen to what this gentleman says.

600
00:54:50,152 --> 00:54:53,772
You know what I mean? Because we aren't a free.

601
00:54:53,912 --> 00:55:01,452
You know, there's how many countries that have freedom as defined by, you know, the powers that should not be right.

602
00:55:01,452 --> 00:55:07,452
probably 180 of them plus that have that same level of freedom.

603
00:55:07,452 --> 00:55:10,372
But we're told that we are the freest country in the world.

604
00:55:12,112 --> 00:55:13,232
Make it make sense.

605
00:55:15,852 --> 00:55:21,632
Yeah, I don't think anybody's going to make it make sense because we're so disconnected,

606
00:55:21,632 --> 00:55:24,812
even in a totally connected world like we are now.

607
00:55:24,892 --> 00:55:25,772
We're so disconnected.

608
00:55:26,072 --> 00:55:30,132
You know, talking about earlier, talking to the guy in India or wherever it was,

609
00:55:30,132 --> 00:55:31,792
I don't remember exactly where it was.

610
00:55:31,852 --> 00:55:33,872
It was somewhere over there in that part of the world.

611
00:55:34,152 --> 00:55:37,452
And they just don't know.

612
00:55:37,532 --> 00:55:39,452
They only know what they see on the TV.

613
00:55:39,792 --> 00:55:40,552
They have no idea.

614
00:55:40,692 --> 00:55:52,392
They think we're either all running around with blue hair and bras or ARs and cowboy boots.

615
00:55:52,932 --> 00:55:57,192
When most of us are probably somewhere in between.

616
00:55:57,192 --> 00:56:01,852
I mean, I kind of like bras and cowboy boots as a mix, but whatever.

617
00:56:04,212 --> 00:56:06,032
If you're going to go for sexy.

618
00:56:06,672 --> 00:56:09,652
I like my boots, but I don't think I'm going to wear a bra.

619
00:56:10,312 --> 00:56:12,412
Come on, man.

620
00:56:13,132 --> 00:56:14,212
You can rock the bra thing.

621
00:56:14,212 --> 00:56:17,572
I'm going to have to gain a bunch of weight before I need a bra, man.

622
00:56:18,952 --> 00:56:19,832
Hey, Cup City.

623
00:56:21,012 --> 00:56:21,452
Right.

624
00:56:22,292 --> 00:56:22,732
Yeah.

625
00:56:23,472 --> 00:56:25,052
Yeah, no, it is interesting.

626
00:56:25,052 --> 00:56:28,512
And it's, you know, we have the same thing, right?

627
00:56:28,572 --> 00:56:30,612
I mean, it's a global phenomenon, right?

628
00:56:30,672 --> 00:56:34,452
I mean, you can go to this current war, right?

629
00:56:34,772 --> 00:56:43,512
And a lot of people thought, well, this is just a bunch of mullahs out there and, you know, Hylex trucks with, you know, AK-47s.

630
00:56:43,652 --> 00:56:48,692
And this is a real, you know, I would consider them a first world country.

631
00:56:49,472 --> 00:56:50,532
I really would.

632
00:56:50,532 --> 00:57:03,672
I mean, beautiful cities, you know, culture, heritage, extremely intelligent, very big on on, you know, education, you know, and it's just this whole thing.

633
00:57:03,772 --> 00:57:15,472
We get this weird idea that everywhere else is not free and really just a crap country, you know, with varying levels of how bad they are.

634
00:57:15,472 --> 00:57:21,432
Right. And it's, and how bad they'll be if we, if we don't stop them, how bad they'll make us,

635
00:57:21,552 --> 00:57:26,312
we don't stop them. And where does that all come from? We know where it comes from. It comes from

636
00:57:26,312 --> 00:57:30,972
that central authority trying to save its own job, trying to make itself something useful.

637
00:57:31,492 --> 00:57:36,532
It's money. It comes back to money, right? If we don't control all the central banks and they don't

638
00:57:36,532 --> 00:57:44,452
all, you know, uh, transact in us dollars, then we don't live the lifestyle we live. Um, and I'm

639
00:57:44,452 --> 00:57:50,972
okay with that i'm 100 okay with that we were the free country life before it if we were the free

640
00:57:50,972 --> 00:57:56,352
country we would have the hilux pickup trucks not the uh bloated tacomas that are way overpriced and

641
00:57:56,352 --> 00:58:03,492
that nobody can afford we'd have the 12 000 new pickup trucks you know what the afghanis all call

642
00:58:03,492 --> 00:58:09,332
their their politicians their bureaucrats the people in office etc they all call them thieves

643
00:58:09,332 --> 00:58:16,612
there's literally what they they call them they are thieves wow they get it right oh yeah

644
00:58:16,612 --> 00:58:23,912
they're like they're all thieves we live in the same place man they're all thieves it didn't change

645
00:58:23,912 --> 00:58:29,012
because it was you know over on the other side of the world it's it's the same thing they're all

646
00:58:29,012 --> 00:58:34,412
thieves but we don't want to think about that where we live come on man that's a bad thing to

647
00:58:34,412 --> 00:58:40,192
think about yeah and that's that's part of the indoctrination right you know repeat after me i

648
00:58:40,192 --> 00:58:46,392
am free i am free i am free now go get that job so you can pay your taxes like a good wage slave

649
00:58:46,392 --> 00:58:58,752
yep yeah it's a chant right now right well they start chanting it actually right away right because

650
00:58:58,752 --> 00:59:04,072
well and that's why i started to hint at there when i said about from birth a little bit ago

651
00:59:04,072 --> 00:59:11,732
some people believe from birth because you we are banknote property for the corporation of america

652
00:59:11,732 --> 00:59:16,652
that's what it comes down to us as individuals and they bank on our productivity in our lives and

653
00:59:16,652 --> 00:59:22,572
they make us produce an amount of wealth and there's somebody somewhere and even if it's not

654
00:59:22,572 --> 00:59:28,852
a nefarious scheme which clearly it must be if they've been doing it all this time and now they

655
00:59:28,852 --> 00:59:33,312
finally got somebody who can sit around and and tally all that up and say well you know the average

656
00:59:33,312 --> 00:59:37,332
person is worth X amount in tax dollars over his lifetime.

657
00:59:37,932 --> 00:59:42,012
You know, this is what we can plan on this person that's being born today.

658
00:59:42,012 --> 00:59:49,092
And here's their banknote certificate to store in the vaults for the American Banknote Corporation.

659
00:59:49,292 --> 00:59:52,752
It literally says that on the birth certificate.

660
00:59:53,052 --> 00:59:54,112
So there you go.

661
00:59:54,912 --> 00:59:56,972
If you want to think, it's about the money.

662
00:59:57,232 --> 00:59:58,232
It's about the money.

663
00:59:58,832 --> 01:00:00,132
It's always about the money.

664
01:00:00,132 --> 01:00:04,492
You know, no matter what it is, if you dig enough, it's money.

665
01:00:04,772 --> 01:00:05,992
It's always money.

666
01:00:06,372 --> 01:00:08,492
And, you know, people say, well, and power.

667
01:00:09,572 --> 01:00:10,992
Power comes from money.

668
01:00:11,372 --> 01:00:12,512
Sorry, it just does.

669
01:00:13,312 --> 01:00:13,592
Right?

670
01:00:13,912 --> 01:00:15,092
Look at Musk.

671
01:00:15,912 --> 01:00:18,092
Well, because power, you can buy somebody else.

672
01:00:18,592 --> 01:00:19,432
You buy things.

673
01:00:19,552 --> 01:00:20,692
You can buy the tools.

674
01:00:21,092 --> 01:00:21,932
And that's the thing about it.

675
01:00:21,992 --> 01:00:24,212
Everybody says, oh, dictators are terrible.

676
01:00:24,732 --> 01:00:26,992
It's illegal to buy people now.

677
01:00:27,692 --> 01:00:27,852
Yeah?

678
01:00:27,852 --> 01:00:46,692
Well, you can use almost anything to buy somebody. Sympathy, you can buy somebody. People aren't that hard to buy, especially when you have a large number of people who aren't getting paid, who are poor, who don't have a lot of outlook for the future.

679
01:00:46,692 --> 01:01:16,152
And, you know, maybe it could be better if there wasn't somebody that was leeching off the entire system all of the time, making it harder for the rest of us out here who are producing things to be able to give charitably, to be able to construct our world as we see it, to develop the new tools, the new technologies, the new toys, whatever it is that we want without regulation, without taxation, without favoritism, without all these things that only government offers.

680
01:01:16,152 --> 01:01:17,992
The free market doesn't offer these things.

681
01:01:18,352 --> 01:01:20,832
The free market offers competition and chance.

682
01:01:21,192 --> 01:01:26,232
The government offers, you know, pay us and we'll protect you.

683
01:01:26,392 --> 01:01:27,432
It's a protection racket.

684
01:01:27,572 --> 01:01:29,352
It's racketeering by definition.

685
01:01:30,292 --> 01:01:36,432
It's worse, in my opinion, because if you pay the mafia, they actually do protect you and leave you alone.

686
01:01:36,492 --> 01:01:37,492
Yeah, tend to, right?

687
01:01:37,852 --> 01:01:38,252
Period.

688
01:01:38,792 --> 01:01:38,932
Yeah.

689
01:01:39,292 --> 01:01:43,272
If you make the weekly payments, they stay away.

690
01:01:43,272 --> 01:01:46,452
It's when you don't make the payments that somebody gets a bloody nose.

691
01:01:46,592 --> 01:01:46,812
Yeah.

692
01:01:46,952 --> 01:01:47,252
Yeah.

693
01:01:47,372 --> 01:01:49,592
And that is not the same with the state.

694
01:01:49,812 --> 01:01:50,552
No, not really.

695
01:01:50,552 --> 01:01:54,452
The state will still come after you for various oddities and trinkets.

696
01:01:55,232 --> 01:02:03,212
So, you know, it's one of those things that it's very hard to open someone's eyes to it.

697
01:02:03,212 --> 01:02:16,752
But once you do open their eyes to it, it usually has an effect of them really kind of digging in and going, OK, wait a second here. Are you telling me? Yes, I'm telling you.

698
01:02:16,752 --> 01:02:33,152
Well, that's why racketeering is such a good word for it, because racketeering in and of itself describes a business or a person or a group of people or whatever who are creating the need for themselves.

699
01:02:33,152 --> 01:02:36,912
There's no need for them, so they create the need for themselves.

700
01:02:37,092 --> 01:02:38,292
And that's what government does.

701
01:02:38,372 --> 01:02:40,092
That's what we've been talking about this whole time.

702
01:02:40,152 --> 01:02:41,192
Oh, they're going to protect us.

703
01:02:41,252 --> 01:02:42,572
Oh, they're going to manage the economy.

704
01:02:42,972 --> 01:02:56,452
Oh, they're going to keep the borders closed and safe and make sure that we're all just nice and safely tucked into bed with our 55-inch TVs and our brand-new EV cars.

705
01:02:57,132 --> 01:02:59,172
Because they were all given to us by the government.

706
01:03:00,212 --> 01:03:01,552
They're going to give us everything.

707
01:03:01,672 --> 01:03:02,432
They're going to protect us.

708
01:03:02,432 --> 01:03:03,292
They're going to take care of us.

709
01:03:03,352 --> 01:03:06,132
All we got to do is just give them what they say.

710
01:03:07,712 --> 01:03:08,112
85%.

711
01:03:08,112 --> 01:03:12,552
I believe that's probably still a good number.

712
01:03:12,812 --> 01:03:15,352
The number you were talking about, that 85%.

713
01:03:15,352 --> 01:03:19,572
I think that's probably still right because anytime I've ever gone and looked at it, that's about it.

714
01:03:19,872 --> 01:03:26,052
They shave about 80% to 90% off for themselves to stick in their pockets to manage their bureaucracy.

715
01:03:27,232 --> 01:03:27,332
Yeah.

716
01:03:28,132 --> 01:03:28,372
Yep.

717
01:03:28,712 --> 01:03:30,432
And that goes back to the 85%.

718
01:03:30,432 --> 01:03:38,712
What's a good course of action for somebody that recognizes the situation they're in and that they're ensnared in and wants to opt out?

719
01:03:38,712 --> 01:03:41,512
I mean, how do you do that?

720
01:03:41,512 --> 01:03:42,512
That's what you do. You opt out.

721
01:03:42,512 --> 01:03:43,512
In a practical sense.

722
01:03:43,512 --> 01:03:54,236
You opt out You option right the hell out of it all You realize oh this is the scam These are the scammers These are the thieves the murderers and the liars

723
01:03:54,556 --> 01:03:58,776
I'm not going to feed them anymore. I'm going to do everything that I do.

724
01:03:58,916 --> 01:04:05,756
Everything that I talk about, everyone that I talk to is going to hear about how they're thieves and everything that I do.

725
01:04:05,756 --> 01:04:16,696
Every time I conduct business, whatever it is, wherever I can keep a dollar or keep them from knowing I have a dollar or made an exchange or did anything, I'm going to do it.

726
01:04:16,916 --> 01:04:21,356
And I'm going to work in black and gray markets every single day as much as I can.

727
01:04:21,396 --> 01:04:22,476
I'm going to deal in cash.

728
01:04:22,516 --> 01:04:24,796
Even if it is their cash, it's still cash.

729
01:04:25,736 --> 01:04:30,716
As long as people are still accepting it, you're using cash for whatever.

730
01:04:30,716 --> 01:04:35,456
You know, when when the currency changes, you know, maybe we'll get lucky.

731
01:04:35,556 --> 01:04:38,056
Maybe it'll be a hard currency. But, you know, maybe not.

732
01:04:39,296 --> 01:04:48,616
Or, you know, I mean, so the suggestion I would have is to dig in and, you know, do some searching on what agorism is.

733
01:04:48,936 --> 01:04:53,356
That's A-G-O-R-I-S-M, right? Or Agora.

734
01:04:54,656 --> 01:04:56,096
And look into that.

735
01:04:56,096 --> 01:05:03,756
But really what it comes down to is the idea is that anarchists in general are, you know, mostly pacifists.

736
01:05:04,116 --> 01:05:07,256
The vast majority are pacifists.

737
01:05:07,576 --> 01:05:11,956
Now, they're not true pacifists in that they'll allow you to attack them and hit them.

738
01:05:12,216 --> 01:05:15,016
But they don't they're not looking for a fight.

739
01:05:15,096 --> 01:05:16,456
They're not looking to harm anyone.

740
01:05:16,456 --> 01:05:18,956
They're looking to live their lives and be left alone.

741
01:05:19,176 --> 01:05:24,036
And it's only in self-defense that violence is ever warranted.

742
01:05:24,076 --> 01:05:24,296
Right.

743
01:05:24,296 --> 01:05:32,816
so you know uh shoot see it happens to me too well sounds like what you're saying is a lot of

744
01:05:32,816 --> 01:05:37,136
the world's problems could be solved if everybody lived by the golden rule of well yeah just treating

745
01:05:37,136 --> 01:05:42,356
others like you'd like to be treated yourself yeah and so that's that's what i was going to say is is

746
01:05:42,356 --> 01:05:50,676
and there it goes again dang it i hate when that happens i had a really good thought it was really

747
01:05:50,676 --> 01:05:56,436
good you guys would have loved this one but you know uh yeah it'll come it'll come to you if we

748
01:05:56,436 --> 01:06:01,216
just keep going it will that's the way that's the way it works sometimes sometimes it doesn't

749
01:06:01,216 --> 01:06:04,776
sometimes you can never find your way back that's what i always loved about live radio

750
01:06:04,776 --> 01:06:10,876
doing like i did live radio for so many years and it's you know and and i just remember early on in

751
01:06:10,876 --> 01:06:16,876
my career uh my my favorite instructor talking to me about it in college and just saying don't

752
01:06:16,876 --> 01:06:21,676
paint yourself into a corner and don't don't talk yourself into something you can't talk yourself

753
01:06:21,676 --> 01:06:28,976
out of and don't let too much dead air go by between guys

754
01:06:28,976 --> 01:06:37,396
a little bit's okay just not too much and then there's always the the my favorite argument with

755
01:06:37,396 --> 01:06:44,536
the long flat things you know who but who will build the roads the same people that build them

756
01:06:44,536 --> 01:06:47,876
No, because the government doesn't own an asphalt company.

757
01:06:48,036 --> 01:06:50,396
The government doesn't own a concrete company.

758
01:06:50,656 --> 01:06:53,036
The government doesn't own road workers.

759
01:06:53,356 --> 01:06:56,176
They contract out to people that actually do that.

760
01:06:56,296 --> 01:06:58,136
Private businesses that do that.

761
01:06:59,456 --> 01:07:03,036
You know, there's what I was going to say.

762
01:07:03,116 --> 01:07:03,816
See, came back.

763
01:07:04,216 --> 01:07:08,356
The concept behind it is not violent at all.

764
01:07:08,516 --> 01:07:10,916
The concept is starve the beast.

765
01:07:10,916 --> 01:07:19,816
just stop feeding it anywhere and everywhere you can cash you know uh you know hard you know

766
01:07:19,816 --> 01:07:27,476
physical items whatever gold silver copper palladium whatever bloots your boat uh and i

767
01:07:27,476 --> 01:07:34,196
would even say uh you know cryptocurrency there's no middleman right you transact with me and i

768
01:07:34,196 --> 01:07:39,856
transact with you there's no middleman as long as somebody will accept it trade whatever you want to

769
01:07:39,856 --> 01:07:46,416
trade exactly and so it's just about getting out of the system where you're paying in you're paying

770
01:07:46,416 --> 01:07:51,216
the middleman for the privilege of having a transaction with someone which is really what it

771
01:07:51,216 --> 01:07:58,816
is right why am i paying you for my transaction for this pair of socks why why do you need two

772
01:07:58,816 --> 01:08:04,016
bucks for this you know twelve dollar pair of socks what what is that about you know what do

773
01:08:04,016 --> 01:08:05,996
What are you giving me in this transaction?

774
01:08:06,436 --> 01:08:06,796
Nothing.

775
01:08:08,576 --> 01:08:09,896
And generally nothing.

776
01:08:10,036 --> 01:08:11,116
A lot of people, oh, roads.

777
01:08:11,196 --> 01:08:13,016
You said the long, flat things, roads.

778
01:08:13,016 --> 01:08:22,516
And as soon as somebody says something about taxes and roads, you immediately know they don't understand how even the basics of things work because the gas taxes pay for the roads.

779
01:08:23,036 --> 01:08:24,476
And that's it.

780
01:08:24,596 --> 01:08:26,096
That's what they're supposed to do.

781
01:08:26,376 --> 01:08:31,456
And if they're not, that's a problem with the system, not a problem with, you know.

782
01:08:31,576 --> 01:08:33,596
And that's a reasonable thing, right?

783
01:08:33,596 --> 01:08:35,656
That's the sort of thing that a community would do.

784
01:08:35,756 --> 01:08:37,576
The community would get together and say, hey, you know what?

785
01:08:37,596 --> 01:08:44,316
We have to have roads, and we need a way to fund them, and it's beneficial for all of us to participate in this.

786
01:08:44,396 --> 01:08:49,836
How about we all contribute through paying a little bit extra when we fill up our gas tank,

787
01:08:49,856 --> 01:08:56,676
and that extra is put into the city's coppers, and it goes to pay these guys to maintain the roads.

788
01:08:56,796 --> 01:08:58,456
Wow, what a horrible idea.

789
01:08:58,456 --> 01:09:02,316
We need almost nobody to manage that.

790
01:09:02,316 --> 01:09:10,936
And yet that I just that simple idea alone leads to like 50 agencies and 90 buildings in downtown.

791
01:09:11,376 --> 01:09:12,816
You know, it's just ridiculous.

792
01:09:13,196 --> 01:09:19,136
A thousand employees and 300 of them are cops that are just there to enforce the opinions.

793
01:09:19,276 --> 01:09:21,676
Not even they don't even do any damn work to do it.

794
01:09:21,696 --> 01:09:30,696
You fix anything, you know, it would be nice to see one of them out there on a street sweeping something up once or, you know, just anything to see that they're actually useful.

795
01:09:30,696 --> 01:09:37,336
because there's 300 people on the payroll right here in town that are completely useless, basically.

796
01:09:38,316 --> 01:09:39,776
Yeah, yeah.

797
01:09:40,536 --> 01:09:43,556
And the other part to that is, you know, when you look at it,

798
01:09:43,736 --> 01:09:47,536
if it were community-based and there was, say, a shopping center,

799
01:09:47,996 --> 01:09:51,096
the community would likely want to have a road there.

800
01:09:51,576 --> 01:09:55,596
But if, you know, Jim Bob decided to put a farm way out over here,

801
01:09:56,176 --> 01:10:00,356
he'd be like, well, Jim Bob, get your tractor and grade out your dirt road.

802
01:10:00,356 --> 01:10:03,116
but I'm not paying for you to have a road up to your house.

803
01:10:03,256 --> 01:10:06,216
I'm not going to stop you building one if you want to, but,

804
01:10:06,396 --> 01:10:09,496
but I don't want to pay. And if you need some help, I'll probably, you know,

805
01:10:09,856 --> 01:10:14,336
donate some funds to help you, you know, but in general, that's your gig.

806
01:10:14,376 --> 01:10:16,876
It's like my driveway is about 300 yards long.

807
01:10:17,496 --> 01:10:19,236
Nobody does anything with that, but me.

808
01:10:19,676 --> 01:10:21,696
So I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

809
01:10:21,756 --> 01:10:26,116
I can effectively manage that. I could effectively manage a lot more of it.

810
01:10:26,976 --> 01:10:29,816
You know, am I going to go build a super highway? No.

811
01:10:29,816 --> 01:10:32,856
Do we really need as many super highways as we have?

812
01:10:33,196 --> 01:10:33,736
No.

813
01:10:34,496 --> 01:10:34,776
Right?

814
01:10:34,916 --> 01:10:37,956
Stop buying avocados in February on the East Coast.

815
01:10:38,536 --> 01:10:39,336
What are you doing?

816
01:10:40,716 --> 01:10:42,836
Maybe you should start charging tolls on your driveway.

817
01:10:43,716 --> 01:10:44,056
Just saying.

818
01:10:44,456 --> 01:10:45,296
There's an idea.

819
01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:49,916
Well, I mean, if people use it, it's an entirely reasonable idea.

820
01:10:50,516 --> 01:10:55,816
If you happen to work for one of these bureaucracies or something,

821
01:10:55,816 --> 01:11:00,976
then your toll is automatically 10x what it is for everyone else.

822
01:11:03,296 --> 01:11:03,736
Absolutely.

823
01:11:04,216 --> 01:11:05,036
Yeah, come on out.

824
01:11:05,296 --> 01:11:08,316
You said you needed to talk to me about something, about business.

825
01:11:08,656 --> 01:11:09,576
Yeah, come on out.

826
01:11:09,936 --> 01:11:10,596
Pay the toll.

827
01:11:12,076 --> 01:11:14,656
I might actually put a sign up out there for that.

828
01:11:14,796 --> 01:11:15,596
That would be funny.

829
01:11:16,916 --> 01:11:19,156
So what's the deal with all those comic books behind you?

830
01:11:20,076 --> 01:11:21,476
I own a comic book shop.

831
01:11:21,896 --> 01:11:22,396
Oh, okay.

832
01:11:22,476 --> 01:11:23,316
That would explain that.

833
01:11:23,316 --> 01:11:27,176
My own amazing fantasies here in Topeka, Kansas.

834
01:11:27,956 --> 01:11:33,756
And we got a quarter of a million books in the store.

835
01:11:33,956 --> 01:11:34,476
Oh, wow.

836
01:11:34,596 --> 01:11:37,696
Tens of thousands on the floor at any given time.

837
01:11:38,716 --> 01:11:42,376
Geek collectibles, Magic the Gathering, Pokemon, stuff like that.

838
01:11:43,616 --> 01:11:44,696
That's my thing.

839
01:11:44,836 --> 01:11:49,696
That's my ultimate dream, I guess, to own a comic book shop.

840
01:11:50,296 --> 01:11:50,936
And so I do.

841
01:11:51,376 --> 01:11:51,836
Nice.

842
01:11:52,136 --> 01:11:52,376
Yeah.

843
01:11:52,376 --> 01:12:04,756
Oh, I used to love that. I used to be super into the X-Men. That was my gig, man. I didn't own anything. I doubt it was ever worth anything, but maybe now it would be.

844
01:12:04,756 --> 01:12:06,736
Depends on when you got into the X-Men.

845
01:12:07,476 --> 01:12:11,496
It would have been late 70s, early 80s, I think.

846
01:12:11,976 --> 01:12:16,916
There's some great Chris Claremont things in there, some wonderful stuff in those time periods, for sure.

847
01:12:16,916 --> 01:12:21,816
And that sort of bronze era, it's actually happened here fairly recently.

848
01:12:21,976 --> 01:12:25,676
It's been something we've just been noticing around the shop.

849
01:12:25,756 --> 01:12:28,736
Every time we turn around, all that sort of bronze era stuff,

850
01:12:28,956 --> 01:12:34,736
the 70s and 80s bronze era, it's exploding.

851
01:12:35,496 --> 01:12:38,516
For so long, it's worthless, just totally worthless.

852
01:12:38,676 --> 01:12:41,576
And now all of a sudden, every single one of those books is $5, $10.

853
01:12:42,496 --> 01:12:43,016
It's crazy.

854
01:12:43,016 --> 01:12:48,576
wow yeah well because it's it forces us to adjust our business model because of basically our

855
01:12:48,576 --> 01:12:53,396
business model is sell a whole hell of a lot of two dollar comic books all these back issues but

856
01:12:53,396 --> 01:12:59,796
at some you know what it is right it's a dollar it's a destruction of the dollar it's the destruction

857
01:12:59,796 --> 01:13:05,016
of the economy because those things haven't really gone up in any interest or value there's not any

858
01:13:05,016 --> 01:13:10,756
more people looking for them and they're they we know how many of them are out there you know it's

859
01:13:10,756 --> 01:13:16,296
not like they're new things that are generating interest like a like a new absolute batman that's

860
01:13:16,296 --> 01:13:22,896
a big title now that dc's on top for the first time ever with this new batman character and the

861
01:13:22,896 --> 01:13:31,396
first issue of it probably has three four million different covers and copies and yet the a cover

862
01:13:31,396 --> 01:13:40,236
200 comic book modern era uh yeah crazy and but none of those others you know those other books

863
01:13:40,236 --> 01:13:47,776
from that era they don't have that same push with they're just they're just that age and with the

864
01:13:47,776 --> 01:13:54,336
economy the way it is just the price of everything has gone up like 25 to 50 percent and and it's

865
01:13:54,336 --> 01:13:59,736
starting to catch up now in the comic book industry apparently you think part of that's

866
01:13:59,736 --> 01:14:06,516
due to like the age of the uh the the clientele for for that product and and like the nostalgia

867
01:14:06,516 --> 01:14:10,596
factor because i noticed that with like the nintendo games i used to buy those when they

868
01:14:10,596 --> 01:14:16,176
were you know at yard sales 25 cents a piece or a dollar and now they're i can't afford to collect

869
01:14:16,176 --> 01:14:20,556
nintendo games anymore i figured maybe something like that happened with there's none left as well

870
01:14:20,556 --> 01:14:25,236
there's none left what are you missing like three cartridges or something

871
01:14:25,236 --> 01:14:32,476
look at the back right there's none i know i see it's crazy i've been i've been looking at it the

872
01:14:32,476 --> 01:14:37,116
whole time it's just wild but it was it was fun just go you know for the hunt of it and now it's

873
01:14:37,116 --> 01:14:41,816
you know people want a million bucks just for stupid common you know the one that came with

874
01:14:41,816 --> 01:14:49,936
the system but that's another story no it's the same thing in some ways yeah i think i was paying

875
01:14:49,936 --> 01:14:58,336
like 25 cents 50 cents for a comic back then when i first started yeah well that's pretty yeah the

876
01:14:58,336 --> 01:15:00,816
average comic now is probably $4.99.

877
01:15:03,896 --> 01:15:04,836
That makes sense.

878
01:15:04,876 --> 01:15:06,756
There's some that are still in the $3.99

879
01:15:06,756 --> 01:15:08,536
range. Well, it's...

880
01:15:08,536 --> 01:15:10,656
So, Batman's

881
01:15:10,656 --> 01:15:12,136
going to be $4.99.

882
01:15:12,936 --> 01:15:14,716
Wonder Woman's going to be $3.99.

883
01:15:15,996 --> 01:15:16,976
That kind of thing.

884
01:15:18,336 --> 01:15:18,856
Superman's

885
01:15:18,856 --> 01:15:20,016
everywhere in between.

886
01:15:20,796 --> 01:15:22,676
I'm actually kind of amazed DC took

887
01:15:22,676 --> 01:15:23,456
the lead there.

888
01:15:24,356 --> 01:15:26,576
It took him a lot. It took him 85

889
01:15:26,576 --> 01:15:41,400
years 90 years whatever to finally get on top but they done it and i don know if they hold it but i have to as a batman fan batman my favorite character uh as a batman fan i i a fan of this new

890
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:46,660
batman he's it's been a fun read they're a couple years into it at this point almost

891
01:15:46,660 --> 01:15:52,640
and they didn't seem to be any stop to it it's just sort of hit after hit after hit issue after

892
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:57,780
issue even the following issues at the first 12 issues every one of them's worth 20 bucks and

893
01:15:57,780 --> 01:16:01,140
And these are books that they're printed a lot.

894
01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:02,740
Let's do there's a lot of them printed.

895
01:16:02,860 --> 01:16:03,280
There's more.

896
01:16:03,380 --> 01:16:07,200
There's more than there's a lot of them.

897
01:16:07,940 --> 01:16:11,020
What would be your white whale for for that?

898
01:16:12,660 --> 01:16:14,020
I mean, you have to go.

899
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,600
You have to go with the first Batman, the detective 27.

900
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,840
Now, that would be it because I've had some of these others.

901
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,400
You know, I've owned the first Wolverine.

902
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:24,980
I've owned the first Ninja Turtles.

903
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:27,620
You know, I've owned some of the ones in my time.

904
01:16:27,620 --> 01:16:40,460
I've owned a lot of them, even first Silver Age, you know, characters like the Batman bad guys, you know, Penguin or somebody like, you know, I've even known those.

905
01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:43,820
So, yeah, it would be the that would be the big one.

906
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:48,000
The first Batman, it would have to be because all the rest of it were just super cool.

907
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,580
But they wouldn't have any necessary meaning for me in terms of, oh, yeah, that's my character.

908
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:54,860
That's where it all began.

909
01:16:54,860 --> 01:16:56,420
So, yeah, that'd be the big one.

910
01:16:56,580 --> 01:16:57,600
And it is the big one.

911
01:16:57,620 --> 01:17:06,760
Action Comics gets a lot of attention, but I think there's demonstrable proof that Batman is the better character.

912
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,940
He's sold many more copies of comic books over the years than Superman has.

913
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:15,800
And even back then, just some useless geek trivia for you.

914
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:27,120
So Action Comics 1 through 4, the appearances of Superman in Action Comics 1, 2, 3, and 4 are the basis for Superman issue number one,

915
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,920
and they come out about a year after

916
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,200
Superman's first appearance in action comics

917
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:34,980
so Batman comes along

918
01:17:34,980 --> 01:17:36,220
he gets his first appearance

919
01:17:36,220 --> 01:17:38,000
in detective comics

920
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,480
and about a year later he gets his own book

921
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:41,360
all new material

922
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,120
not like Superman

923
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,480
Superman had to show

924
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:47,700
here's the old story back

925
01:17:47,700 --> 01:17:49,960
not the Batman

926
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,980
more dynamic character

927
01:17:52,980 --> 01:17:54,440
obviously because he's human

928
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:56,700
he's not an alien with super powers

929
01:17:56,700 --> 01:18:05,060
mine's goofy my my favorite comic book character is super goofy everyone's like what um and honestly

930
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:12,340
just it wasn't at first but became my favorite character when it's it's you know he's affectionately

931
01:18:12,340 --> 01:18:21,300
referred to as banff uh but it's nightcrawler i just always always loved that guy kurt wagner yeah

932
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:22,700
Great character.

933
01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:24,320
One of the great X-Men for sure.

934
01:18:24,540 --> 01:18:26,080
I'm an X-Men guy too.

935
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:30,940
If it wasn't Batman, it was X-Men.

936
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:32,360
And that's pretty much it.

937
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,360
I mean, even to this day, that's what I read out of those main guys.

938
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:41,800
Most of my stuff, this is Wednesday's books coming out this Wednesday.

939
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:45,060
And they're all independent.

940
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:50,220
It's all stuff that smaller creators have written.

941
01:18:50,220 --> 01:18:53,540
And that one's called Odin of the earth.

942
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,340
It's about oil.

943
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:54,660
Yeah.

944
01:18:54,660 --> 01:18:55,500
This is terrible.

945
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:55,940
Oh,

946
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:56,440
there.

947
01:18:57,940 --> 01:18:58,420
Backwards.

948
01:18:58,920 --> 01:18:59,720
Dead teenagers.

949
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,280
That's a big one right now.

950
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:02,260
Yeah.

951
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,220
I don't know that there's a new one.

952
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:04,520
Yeah.

953
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:04,960
I,

954
01:19:05,060 --> 01:19:05,460
a lot of,

955
01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:07,080
a lot of independent stuff,

956
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:07,540
uh,

957
01:19:07,540 --> 01:19:08,140
because it,

958
01:19:08,140 --> 01:19:09,340
that superhero stuff,

959
01:19:09,340 --> 01:19:11,820
it's been done and done and redone and.

960
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:14,240
Yeah.

961
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:14,880
Yeah.

962
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:15,140
It's,

963
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:16,320
I mean,

964
01:19:16,460 --> 01:19:18,060
it's still successful though.

965
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:18,240
I mean,

966
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:18,660
Oh yeah.

967
01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:19,140
Yeah.

968
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:19,460
No,

969
01:19:19,460 --> 01:19:20,400
There's nothing wrong with it.

970
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:21,040
I enjoy it.

971
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:31,840
It's just, it has the same power, the same problem that they have with Magic the Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh.

972
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:36,360
Pokemon seem to manage it fairly well because they don't do anything different.

973
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:39,180
That's actually been their smart thing.

974
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,700
But it's a power creep.

975
01:19:42,380 --> 01:19:44,820
It happens with superheroes, too.

976
01:19:45,020 --> 01:19:46,240
It happens in comic books.

977
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:47,220
You need power creep.

978
01:19:47,220 --> 01:20:03,540
And so guys become too powerful and you have to, you have to find ways to either create more powerful people that can beat them up or you have to create creative ways to make those people less powerful so that they're back down on the left.

979
01:20:03,540 --> 01:20:06,600
And whereas these other stories, just, it could be anything.

980
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,800
It could be podcast murders.

981
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,860
It could be, you know, whatever, anything.

982
01:20:11,460 --> 01:20:19,320
Whereas in Marvel and DC, it's, it's guys in capes and tights and, you know, scantily clad women.

983
01:20:19,540 --> 01:20:19,700
Women.

984
01:20:20,740 --> 01:20:21,180
Yes.

985
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:23,780
Like, and it's a perfect thing.

986
01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:26,900
Like one of the things I, you know, and I love the character.

987
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:27,580
I really do.

988
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,940
I love the development of the character, especially.

989
01:20:29,940 --> 01:20:34,860
but like in in the x-men series you've got the world eater that comes along right and you start

990
01:20:34,860 --> 01:20:40,120
getting into these like holy crap how do you ever like and then poof there's phoenix and it's just

991
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:45,640
like okay i give up this lady can just you're just gone you just disappeared you just turned

992
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:53,800
into a bunch of atoms sorry bye yeah they they've uh they have their problems every once and that's

993
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:59,080
what it comes down to because it is that battle about you know how do you how you make somebody

994
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:06,140
powerful how do you make somebody how do you how do you make those extremely powerful people feel

995
01:21:06,140 --> 01:21:13,980
like humans to get people to get humans to read them and and that that's the basis for my idea that

996
01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:19,880
that batman is always has been always will be a better character than superman you there's

997
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,920
certainly a human element to it and there's limitations because of that human element right

998
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,720
So I've never been a DC fan.

999
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:39,240
I enjoy Batman, but I've never been a Batman fan because I've always been, I guess I was raised on the superhero side of the house.

1000
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:43,300
And you look at Batman and it's like, you see Superman versus Batman.

1001
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:44,200
Come on.

1002
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:45,120
I'm sorry.

1003
01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:46,580
It's a bit silly, right?

1004
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,180
12,000 miles away, I just cut you in half with my laser eyes.

1005
01:21:51,220 --> 01:21:51,440
Right.

1006
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:52,900
And then go on about his business.

1007
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:53,820
Right.

1008
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,360
Oh, it didn't work out so well.

1009
01:21:56,420 --> 01:21:58,340
Let me just reverse time by spinning her.

1010
01:21:58,900 --> 01:21:59,560
Oh, yeah.

1011
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:01,560
Oh, God.

1012
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:02,600
Some of those movies.

1013
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:03,780
Right.

1014
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:04,880
Did you ever see Brightburn?

1015
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:06,080
Did you ever see that?

1016
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:06,800
I don't think so.

1017
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,400
That was the evil Superman.

1018
01:22:08,740 --> 01:22:11,200
Oh, Brightburn is what it's called.

1019
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:12,380
Really great.

1020
01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:16,480
That's like the MCU with some attitude there.

1021
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:17,960
Oh, nice.

1022
01:22:18,180 --> 01:22:18,360
Nice.

1023
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:19,600
Yeah, it's a really good movie.

1024
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:25,280
It's basically just if Superman were like, yeah, I am all powerful.

1025
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:25,960
You betcha.

1026
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,880
What do you think about these guys that buy this stuff just to resell it?

1027
01:22:32,260 --> 01:22:35,940
You know, they're jamming the doors at Target or Costco or whatever to buy this stuff.

1028
01:22:36,180 --> 01:22:37,900
And I mean, do you have to deal with any of that?

1029
01:22:38,820 --> 01:22:40,120
Yeah, it's a wild thing, actually.

1030
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:46,000
Trust me, when I do a lot of social media stuff, I will tongue in cheek, but I mean it seriously.

1031
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:48,820
Say, do not drive a truck into our store.

1032
01:22:48,820 --> 01:22:50,880
we do not have sealed Pokemon.

1033
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:52,820
Just don't do it.

1034
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:55,020
You won't get it because that's what people are.

1035
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:57,580
People are holding up shops and taking Pokemon,

1036
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,160
beating each other up at the target over it.

1037
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,400
Actually, it's not really much of a problem for us

1038
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,360
because there's an interesting thing that happened.

1039
01:23:06,540 --> 01:23:08,680
More geek, insider geek stuff for you.

1040
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,180
The interesting thing that happened with Pokemon,

1041
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,820
they never gave us any problems.

1042
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:13,980
We have a professor.

1043
01:23:14,140 --> 01:23:15,760
We have an actual Pokemon professor,

1044
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:21,240
a guy that's fully trained in teaching and playing and managing Pokemon

1045
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,940
with the kids and the parents and everything.

1046
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:25,840
And we've had him for years.

1047
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:26,880
He's been around for years.

1048
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,140
And then all of a sudden at one point they said, oh, wait a minute.

1049
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,540
You're a comic book shop.

1050
01:23:31,660 --> 01:23:33,060
That's adult material.

1051
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:35,040
It can't be near the Pokemon.

1052
01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:37,840
And they took our Pokemon license away from us.

1053
01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:39,240
Oh, dude.

1054
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,660
Is that a Nintendo thing?

1055
01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:44,800
Pokemon Corporation I think

1056
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,080
is separate enough from Nintendo

1057
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:48,780
that you can't point at Nintendo

1058
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:49,880
and go it's Nintendo

1059
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,140
I don't think you can do that

1060
01:23:52,140 --> 01:23:54,160
they recently changed it

1061
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:55,880
to their credit

1062
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,700
it only took them a couple years to figure out

1063
01:23:58,700 --> 01:23:59,500
that was stupid

1064
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:01,880
that we don't have adult content

1065
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,700
we have a not safe for work box

1066
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:06,760
on the floor it's literally one box

1067
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,720
it's less than 100 comics

1068
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,840
and if you were offended by it

1069
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,080
don't shop here i don't care i you know i don't need you here i don't need you kids here i don't

1070
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:21,480
need you know i don't need that because if that's what you're offended by in thousands and thousands

1071
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:26,920
and thousands of other comic books and and lines and prints and thoughts and ideas and that's what

1072
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:35,120
you're going to focus on then your energy is misplaced and i don't need you makes sense it's

1073
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,960
It's crazy. It's a crazy world.

1074
01:24:38,340 --> 01:24:46,240
The whole idea of buying things on the off chance that you're going to be able to resell them for more money, particularly quickly.

1075
01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:55,280
Obviously, that's what I do every week when I buy the new comic books and I buy with the idea that I'm going to sell them for more.

1076
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:04,120
Then I had to pay for them, but to make it exponentially more like these guys want, it's weird.

1077
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:08,880
I've watched people in our community, other people buy up.

1078
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,880
It's not like I can't buy Pokemon.

1079
01:25:11,060 --> 01:25:12,440
It's not like I don't have them in the store.

1080
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:14,840
I just don't have authorized events in the store.

1081
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,420
And I don't get serviced by them, but we will again.

1082
01:25:19,580 --> 01:25:24,260
But other people around, other game stores around have fallen into the trap.

1083
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:30,320
For one, what's happening is these people are going over to Walmart and stealing this stuff.

1084
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,400
That's what started it all.

1085
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:38,280
And then it started going, oh, well, there's more money in opening them if you get one of these cards.

1086
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:48,940
And then those guys that were stealing this stuff before are now buying this stuff, hopefully, and trying to rip it open and try to make money on selling it in the aftermarket.

1087
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,840
But so the stores locally got in on it.

1088
01:25:52,660 --> 01:26:01,400
And so they started offering people sort of 70, 80 percent of actual value of some of these things that they were buying.

1089
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,720
and now they can't sell them necessarily.

1090
01:26:04,220 --> 01:26:07,460
Or they have to hold on to them for such long periods of time

1091
01:26:07,460 --> 01:26:10,340
that they've wrapped their money up in something that was unnecessary.

1092
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,060
Especially if you're a retail store, just trying to flip the new thing,

1093
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,140
the new thing, get out of it.

1094
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:16,800
I don't want the old product.

1095
01:26:17,540 --> 01:26:20,000
I don't want that stuff hanging around.

1096
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:20,880
I need it to sell.

1097
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,260
I'm not trying to keep any of it.

1098
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,060
Do you have any problems with, like I know with the Nintendo games,

1099
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:30,320
it was never really a problem back when I started because it just wasn't a thing,

1100
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:36,140
but now they have reproductions or, you know, essentially counterfeits or fakes, you know, like whatever you want to call it.

1101
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:40,700
It's not too big of a problem because it's very hard to copy these things.

1102
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:41,860
It really is.

1103
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:47,080
If you know what you're looking at, you can't copy a comic book of any value.

1104
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:48,060
Right.

1105
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,440
You can't copy, you know, a book from 1940 or something.

1106
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:53,380
It's not going to happen.

1107
01:26:54,980 --> 01:26:59,640
And with the cards, it's almost if you know what you're looking for, you're never going to get caught.

1108
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:06,260
i think the bigger pro i think the thing with the nintendo the bigger problem with it is something

1109
01:27:06,260 --> 01:27:10,380
that we have experienced in the comic book industry over the last couple of years it was

1110
01:27:10,380 --> 01:27:22,784
actually a big deal so you see that graded book in the middle there so it in it in case you don know what in it it just whatever you believe what in it is what in it It was some people swapping some things around and doing some various stuff

1111
01:27:22,904 --> 01:27:26,304
I think that's what was driving the thing with the Nintendo stuff

1112
01:27:26,304 --> 01:27:28,924
is that it was easy enough to swap around the insides

1113
01:27:28,924 --> 01:27:31,184
of a particular cartridge or wrap another.

1114
01:27:31,584 --> 01:27:34,724
So you didn't have to recreate anything necessarily.

1115
01:27:34,724 --> 01:27:36,944
And so I think it was a little easier to do.

1116
01:27:37,104 --> 01:27:38,224
It's pretty tough.

1117
01:27:38,324 --> 01:27:41,504
I actually was in an economic conversation the other day

1118
01:27:41,504 --> 01:27:47,264
with somebody even you know pro-capitalism anti-capitalism uh they were talking about

1119
01:27:47,264 --> 01:27:52,724
the sort of we're talking about the the cryptocurrencies and the the value of

1120
01:27:52,724 --> 01:27:58,084
cryptocurrencies and if they have any inherent value and he started to i compared the way bitcoin

1121
01:27:58,084 --> 01:28:03,804
is to comic books and collectibles because they weren't it functions exactly the same as there's

1122
01:28:03,804 --> 01:28:08,144
only a certain amount of people who have any interest in it at all and if you want to trade

1123
01:28:08,144 --> 01:28:12,504
it for something else you have to take it to somebody who's interested in it like a comic

1124
01:28:12,504 --> 01:28:16,784
book shop or a bitcoin store whatever you want to call it somebody who wants to buy it from you and

1125
01:28:16,784 --> 01:28:21,724
convert it to some other bit of money and then you can go buy what you want and then and i mentioned

1126
01:28:21,724 --> 01:28:27,144
that it functions that way in the market and they say well but they you know the sports cards and

1127
01:28:27,144 --> 01:28:33,744
comic books and collectibles can be copied and i said no no they can't no i mean you can fool the

1128
01:28:33,744 --> 01:28:41,544
average idiot off the street trying you know with pokemon cards you get grandma goes on uh wish and

1129
01:28:41,544 --> 01:28:49,924
and buys a great big box of pokemon cards and the charizard is in there and you know that's fake

1130
01:28:49,924 --> 01:28:56,044
and and they look fake and once you point them out to the person and you you go this is the real one

1131
01:28:56,044 --> 01:29:02,164
and this is the fake one there's no quite they're even going oh geez yeah that's clearly yes you

1132
01:29:02,164 --> 01:29:07,824
can't you can't fake it it's not really a problem we have the bigger problem is the graded stuff

1133
01:29:07,824 --> 01:29:16,644
so what happens is is they started separating the label from the book and so they're in separate

1134
01:29:16,644 --> 01:29:21,524
compartments and so you could actually put a different book with a different label and so

1135
01:29:21,524 --> 01:29:26,664
and they fix some of these problems and there was somebody and it was kind of an inside job it was

1136
01:29:26,664 --> 01:29:31,244
somebody at the big guys doing it and like taking customers,

1137
01:29:31,664 --> 01:29:31,944
uh,

1138
01:29:31,944 --> 01:29:36,224
higher quality books and swapping them out for their own lower quality books

1139
01:29:36,224 --> 01:29:39,524
and then grading the lower quality books and sending them back to the customer.

1140
01:29:40,064 --> 01:29:43,564
It's been there where the big part, but raw, you know,

1141
01:29:43,564 --> 01:29:47,384
managed collectibles for you to me, nah, not go fool me.

1142
01:29:48,204 --> 01:29:52,384
There's a lot of trust in those grading, uh, authorities or your companies or

1143
01:29:52,384 --> 01:29:54,584
whatever they are. Yeah. I mean,

1144
01:29:54,584 --> 01:29:56,044
You're going to send a lot of misplaced.

1145
01:29:56,304 --> 01:29:58,284
One of them just closed.

1146
01:29:58,284 --> 01:30:10,664
One of the other really big one just closed down because ultimately they lost tens of thousands of dollars of people's comic books in a couple of big instances.

1147
01:30:11,144 --> 01:30:14,704
And ultimately that's what I'm pretty sure that's what did it, man.

1148
01:30:16,684 --> 01:30:19,564
Yeah, that's an interesting, interesting thing.

1149
01:30:19,964 --> 01:30:21,404
I hadn't even thought about that.

1150
01:30:21,484 --> 01:30:23,184
That's a great question laying there, Alex.

1151
01:30:23,184 --> 01:30:29,924
yeah yeah and and we deal with it we deal with all of it you know people try to fake stuff

1152
01:30:29,924 --> 01:30:35,524
all the time but not like that you can't it's it just can't be done you it would cost you more to

1153
01:30:35,524 --> 01:30:41,764
fake it than it would to you know that's the thing about it they've they've to get past especially

1154
01:30:41,764 --> 01:30:47,144
any of the higher value cards common cards you know they'll go ahead copy them nobody cares

1155
01:30:47,144 --> 01:30:52,424
they you know it's the bigger cards but the bigger cards tend to be the nicer cards they tend to be

1156
01:30:52,424 --> 01:30:58,424
the full art cards they tend to be the special things that are multi-layered and multi-printed

1157
01:30:58,424 --> 01:31:04,164
and and and foiled and embossed and all these things that if you were to try to do that as an

1158
01:31:04,164 --> 01:31:08,404
individual even with all of these wonderful fantastic printing tools and crickets and

1159
01:31:08,404 --> 01:31:13,704
things like that you you can't duplicate that stuff yeah that's going to require some heavy

1160
01:31:13,704 --> 01:31:19,084
duty printing equipment yeah it's not worth it the only guys that ever got away with stuff like

1161
01:31:19,084 --> 01:31:24,704
that are people that got their hands on printing plates afterwards those are the only guys who've

1162
01:31:24,704 --> 01:31:29,964
ever gotten away with stuff like that including like reprinting uh you know the posters from the

1163
01:31:29,964 --> 01:31:34,764
movie posters from the 70s indiana jones star wars stuff like that that was a big thing a lot

1164
01:31:34,764 --> 01:31:40,264
of misprints or reprints out there that were printed from the original plates because somebody

1165
01:31:40,264 --> 01:31:44,784
else or you know somebody somewhere got a hold of something that they weren't supposed to have

1166
01:31:44,784 --> 01:31:47,984
And so they had, you know, almost the real thing.

1167
01:31:48,744 --> 01:31:50,884
Yeah, very close, I imagine.

1168
01:31:51,144 --> 01:31:52,584
I can see where that could be confusing.

1169
01:31:53,364 --> 01:31:55,804
If you're not an expert and seen a lot of them.

1170
01:31:56,164 --> 01:31:59,244
I've seen a few of them come across my desk over the years.

1171
01:31:59,344 --> 01:32:05,344
And if you don't know what you're looking for, luckily, with the Internet now, information gets around.

1172
01:32:05,664 --> 01:32:08,124
And it's so hard to fake stuff now.

1173
01:32:09,004 --> 01:32:10,504
You're playing a silly game.

1174
01:32:10,504 --> 01:32:15,364
The only people that are doing it now are the Chinese mass-producing stuff,

1175
01:32:15,484 --> 01:32:18,744
and they're not even trying to tell you that it's actually the real thing.

1176
01:32:19,344 --> 01:32:20,664
That's what they're doing.

1177
01:32:21,084 --> 01:32:22,444
They're trying to fake everything.

1178
01:32:22,644 --> 01:32:29,784
I mean, even auto parts on Amazon now, they're faking spark plugs and oil filters and guitars.

1179
01:32:30,004 --> 01:32:32,044
You get a fake Gibson for $200 these days.

1180
01:32:33,204 --> 01:32:37,184
If you don't know what you're looking at, they look kind of like what they're supposed to be.

1181
01:32:37,744 --> 01:32:39,884
If you know what you're looking at, they look nothing like it.

1182
01:32:39,884 --> 01:32:46,664
Well, since the government came in and told Gibson that it can't use certain wood to make certain guitars with, because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1183
01:32:46,844 --> 01:32:47,944
Well, there you go.

1184
01:32:48,984 --> 01:32:50,544
Back to government again.

1185
01:32:51,704 --> 01:32:52,944
You got to have some.

1186
01:32:52,984 --> 01:32:54,864
But that's what creates a market.

1187
01:32:55,584 --> 01:32:56,384
That's what creates a market.

1188
01:32:56,384 --> 01:32:56,504
That's true.

1189
01:32:56,664 --> 01:33:02,584
The overpricing of things or the overvaluing of, you know, handbags knocked off all the time.

1190
01:33:02,584 --> 01:33:07,244
and nobody who buys a $50 handbag on the street corner

1191
01:33:07,244 --> 01:33:09,844
believes that they're buying a real Michael Kors bag.

1192
01:33:10,024 --> 01:33:11,644
They know they're buying a fake.

1193
01:33:12,084 --> 01:33:13,844
And they know and they're happy with it

1194
01:33:13,844 --> 01:33:17,144
because they don't have to pay the price of the actual Michael Kors bag.

1195
01:33:17,244 --> 01:33:20,404
So that means there's a market that Mr. Michael Kors is missing,

1196
01:33:20,604 --> 01:33:22,284
not that he's being robbed.

1197
01:33:23,164 --> 01:33:23,284
Right.

1198
01:33:23,904 --> 01:33:24,184
Yeah.

1199
01:33:24,784 --> 01:33:24,984
Yeah.

1200
01:33:25,504 --> 01:33:26,104
All right.

1201
01:33:26,484 --> 01:33:29,104
Well, I think this is probably a good place to wrap up.

1202
01:33:29,104 --> 01:33:30,204
Yeah, probably, right?

1203
01:33:30,204 --> 01:33:36,084
Let's go to that one question that we always like to ask our guests.

1204
01:33:36,384 --> 01:33:38,524
It's just an opportunity to give back.

1205
01:33:39,144 --> 01:33:47,004
And throughout our lives, there's a person that makes a massive impact on our lives, right?

1206
01:33:47,044 --> 01:33:48,804
It has a lasting and long impact.

1207
01:33:49,484 --> 01:33:51,304
It could be a mom.

1208
01:33:51,424 --> 01:33:55,364
It could be a sixth grade science teacher, an author, a historical figure.

1209
01:33:55,364 --> 01:34:00,204
but we like to give our guests an opportunity to shout out a person that had that impact in their

1210
01:34:00,204 --> 01:34:08,284
life all right yeah no when you said that up front i already knew i was going to talk about

1211
01:34:08,284 --> 01:34:12,004
i've already mentioned him there's a lot of people a lot of people a lot of great people

1212
01:34:12,004 --> 01:34:17,344
wonderful people people i know people i don't know uh but this was somebody i knew who influenced

1213
01:34:17,344 --> 01:34:25,384
my life. I mentioned him earlier. His name is Kenton Riggs, and he was the number seven member

1214
01:34:25,384 --> 01:34:33,584
of the Libertarian Party. Ran around in the late 60s and early 70s with a bunch of anarchists and

1215
01:34:33,584 --> 01:34:38,864
a bunch of ideologues that called themselves little L Libertarians and thought they might

1216
01:34:38,864 --> 01:34:46,064
like to make a political party and see if they could usher America a little bit, literally,

1217
01:34:46,064 --> 01:34:51,224
toward anarchy. That's where the phrase toward anarchy, my show, comes from. It's out of the

1218
01:34:51,224 --> 01:34:58,324
Libertarian Party. David F. Nolan himself suggested that that be their slogan toward anarchy,

1219
01:34:58,884 --> 01:35:07,144
and that the logo be the Anarchy A with an arrow, like the Avengers logo with the arrow pointing

1220
01:35:07,144 --> 01:35:15,844
through it, and pointing toward, at the time, what was the Nolan chart. It was a square then,

1221
01:35:15,844 --> 01:35:21,404
it's a diamond now and they've twisted it around a little bit but ultimately is the maximum point of

1222
01:35:21,404 --> 01:35:28,164
economic and personal uh liberty liberty and that was anarchy and you're moving toward anarchy

1223
01:35:28,164 --> 01:35:36,664
and you can see remnants of that idea in a lot of the state logos if you go and look at the

1224
01:35:36,664 --> 01:35:41,344
libertarian party state logos a lot of them have an arrow

1225
01:35:41,344 --> 01:35:48,504
yeah and that's what that arrow is that's toward anarchy so ken riggs number seven guy in the

1226
01:35:48,504 --> 01:35:55,544
libertarian party i met him when i was probably 10 years old going to church as a young lad and

1227
01:35:55,544 --> 01:36:02,204
he just became a mentor and he taught me about things like the federal reserve and and and anarchy

1228
01:36:02,204 --> 01:36:08,304
and and libertarianism and federal reserve notes and the difference between money and currency and

1229
01:36:08,304 --> 01:36:16,284
fiat currency and yeah so yeah that that's the guy all right that's a great shout out all right

1230
01:36:16,284 --> 01:36:21,404
well what do you have going on what are you working on where can people find you

1231
01:36:21,404 --> 01:36:29,924
i am i'm in my comic book shop every day that's that's what i'm doing uh but then i do all these

1232
01:36:29,924 --> 01:36:35,584
you know i put out i try to do at least one interview and sort of one sort of me ranting

1233
01:36:35,584 --> 01:36:42,344
about something hours so every week at toward anarchy.com available in all the the usual places

1234
01:36:42,344 --> 01:36:49,144
and apple podcasts and spotify and all that it's just toward anarchy and i just i just chat i just

1235
01:36:49,144 --> 01:36:54,524
chat about things that i find interesting people that i find interesting just like you guys do i

1236
01:36:54,524 --> 01:36:59,684
don't have i tend to never have any questions i used to play around with that early on

1237
01:36:59,684 --> 01:37:03,144
but I don't tend to have questions necessarily.

1238
01:37:03,144 --> 01:37:07,864
I just have an idea of what I want to know about the person,

1239
01:37:08,004 --> 01:37:14,044
what brought them to write their book or do whatever it is that they do.

1240
01:37:14,224 --> 01:37:17,744
A lot of authors, it seems like, musicians, things like that,

1241
01:37:17,764 --> 01:37:19,004
if I can get away with it.

1242
01:37:19,364 --> 01:37:21,944
So much more fun than political stuff.

1243
01:37:22,064 --> 01:37:26,844
But yeah, that's me, towardanarchy.com and towardanarchy anywhere else, I guess.

1244
01:37:28,024 --> 01:37:28,724
All right.

1245
01:37:28,724 --> 01:37:30,744
that's a wonderful thing

1246
01:37:30,744 --> 01:37:33,764
thank you so much for giving us some of your time

1247
01:37:33,764 --> 01:37:35,924
we really appreciate that

1248
01:37:35,924 --> 01:37:37,944
and thank you

1249
01:37:37,944 --> 01:37:40,124
for giving us some of your time as well

1250
01:37:40,124 --> 01:37:42,364
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1251
01:37:42,364 --> 01:37:42,924
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1252
01:37:42,924 --> 01:37:45,124
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1253
01:37:45,124 --> 01:37:47,524
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1254
01:37:47,524 --> 01:37:48,664
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1255
01:37:48,664 --> 01:37:51,284
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1256
01:37:51,284 --> 01:37:53,044
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1257
01:37:53,044 --> 01:37:54,244
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1258
01:37:54,244 --> 01:37:56,384
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1259
01:37:56,384 --> 01:37:57,664
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1260
01:37:58,104 --> 01:37:59,144
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1261
01:38:00,224 --> 01:38:01,164
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1262
01:38:03,064 --> 01:38:05,264
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1263
01:38:05,484 --> 01:38:06,924
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1264
01:38:07,044 --> 01:38:07,644
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1265
01:38:07,844 --> 01:38:08,664
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1266
01:38:08,784 --> 01:38:09,484
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1267
01:38:09,684 --> 01:38:10,204
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1268
01:38:10,384 --> 01:38:11,404
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1269
01:38:11,684 --> 01:38:12,404
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1270
01:38:12,984 --> 01:38:17,504
If you have an idea for a topic or a guest on the show, leave a comment.

1271
01:38:17,504 --> 01:38:19,544
We will respond to your comment.

1272
01:38:19,704 --> 01:38:24,504
We will work, probably, work on trying to get the guest on, depending.

1273
01:38:24,504 --> 01:38:27,524
and then remember

1274
01:38:27,524 --> 01:38:29,404
wherever you are

1275
01:38:29,404 --> 01:38:31,464
whenever you're watching this

1276
01:38:31,464 --> 01:38:34,124
have an amazing day

1277
01:38:34,124 --> 01:38:35,884
thanks for coming by Michael

1278
01:38:35,884 --> 01:38:36,524
see you everybody

1279
01:38:36,524 --> 01:38:38,044
thanks guys

1280
01:38:38,044 --> 01:38:38,764
appreciate you

1281
01:38:54,504 --> 01:38:56,504
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