The Fur-midable Guide to Holistic Health: Jeff Feinman's Pet Wisdom S3-EP3

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most of what's around us is not going to be super detrimental to you.

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And if you do get it, you're likely to develop a reaction

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that makes that so it's no longer problematic in the future.

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And that is exactly what the mean system is designed to do.

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And it does so well.

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Until it breaks down because we've been working against it for so many years.

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all right everybody welcome back to another episode of the space tomatoes podcast i'm one

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And your host, Havoc.

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I'm the other guy, LX.

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Hello.

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Welcome back.

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That's the other guy.

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Today we have with us a very special guest, Jeff Fineman, a veterinarian and a holistic

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connector and educator.

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Welcome to the show, Jeff.

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Hey, Jeff.

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Hello, guys.

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Thanks so much for having me on.

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I love talking about anything with anyone.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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So you didn't start out as a veterinarian, right?

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In the womb?

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Maybe, maybe, maybe.

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I was like four or five when I had this innate desire.

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I never wanted really to be anything except an animal doctor.

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That is wonderful.

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That is wonderful.

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Where did you end up going to school for that?

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University of Pennsylvania.

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Actually, the story, the whole story?

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Yeah, I'd love it.

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I grew up on, I'm going to try to say it correctly, on the island.

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No, that's all right.

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Long Island in New York.

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We moved during my senior year.

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What would have been my senior year in high school?

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When we moved in the 70s to Tulsa, Oklahoma, it was hard to find us.

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The high school that offered classes that were comparable.

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So I ended up going to University of Tulsa.

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So I decided to do the year in Oklahoma, then ended up at Penn.

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Oh, very wonderful.

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My wife is actually from Pennsylvania, so yeah.

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Beautiful, beautiful location.

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Absolutely.

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So what was it?

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I mean, you just had an innate love for animals and wanted to help them,

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or was there something more specific that drew you to veterinarian medicine?

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I think, you know, when I think about it at this level,

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I was just more simpatico with animals and with their truth-telling

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and with their energetic purity.

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and what I learned later in my life

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is that I had a real hard time

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I was susceptible to use language of the book

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and of medicine

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that I was susceptible to other people's energetic emanations

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and because animals are pure beings

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they drew me towards them

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And as I developed as an embryo fetus and then a bigger kid,

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I got drawn more and more into the natural world,

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which included, of course, the animals.

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Wonderful.

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So you're an empath of sorts.

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Yes.

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And I almost said, unfortunately,

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because what that has done is made me open to a lot of the negativity

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that's all around me, which may be part of why I'm drawn more to animals.

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I absolutely understand that.

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Animals don't lie like people do.

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No, they don't.

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They've got no agenda.

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There's no, you know, they're in the moment.

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Very, very forgiving too.

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Very forgiving.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And there's, there's absolutely something about, you know, whatever you're going through, right? I, my current, well, my last few pets, my personal pet has been a Rottweiler. Um, and I just, I love them. I think that breed for me, you know, people get stuck on breeds. I got stuck in this breed just because of everything about them.

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And there is nothing like the feeling of when I'm down or I'm, you know, even if I'm a little angry about something or upset, I just go lay down on the floor and hold my puppy and cuddle her and everything is okay. It just literally melts things away. And it's amazing to me what they bring to our lives.

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and that is what you just described

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is the H2W transformation

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you know H2O keeps us alive

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but H2W is the transformation from

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H as in holistic with an H to holistic

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where you're actually embracing the H

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but also the love and the spirit

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and the parts of life that actually enlivens life that allows us to live.

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You've probably seen a lot more pets and owners than I've ever seen in my life.

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Can you tell what kind of pet somebody has just by looking at them?

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Is that a thing?

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Do people start looking like their pet a little bit?

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It depends.

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It depends on the individual.

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There are individuals that uncannily look like their pets.

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I'm not looking at Havoc.

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I just swear I'm not.

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I do not look like a Rottweiler, do I?

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You do a little.

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You get that look in your eyes sometimes.

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Well, I'll take that as a compliment then.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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So you have this holistic approach to things.

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And one of the things that caught my attention is the beam mesh method.

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And I think this is something that I've never studied.

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I didn't know that it was a thing, but it's something over my lifetime.

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I don't think there's ever been a time in my life where I didn't have a pet.

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And one of the things that I started to key into is, you know, maybe not a full blown approach or any kind of like real information behind beam.

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But the initialism really started to play into, like, I can tell.

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Like a mother can tell when there's something wrong with their child.

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I can tell.

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And it's, luckily for me, in most cases, it's been something that I've been able to catch fairly early because of that.

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Can you describe to us what the BEAM approach is?

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You just described it beautifully.

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That is the essence of it, and it is what really puts that W in holistic versus H, because we're focusing on quality of life and love and things that really make us happy instead of symptoms.

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because everything in medicine, veterinary medicine, human medicine,

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is based on symptoms, labels, diagnoses, what can go wrong with the body.

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Holistic medicine, what we're talking about,

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is what is possible by the miracle of our bodies,

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of our animals' bodies, of life all around us

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because the smartest doctor in the world engineered it that way.

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We have it built in.

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And every living being has it built in, that ability, that innate ability to heal.

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That's wonderful.

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That's wonderful.

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And it stands for behavior.

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Energy.

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Energy.

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Appetite and mood.

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Appetite and movement.

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Mood.

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Behavior and energy.

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Mood.

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Mood, which is often reflected in the behavior.

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but you described the mood aspect beautifully

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in that you just know.

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They look at you and you know,

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will that mood often reflect in their behavior of isolating

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or getting clingy here?

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Or yeah, it's very possible.

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That's why holistic versus holistic is individualized.

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There are no protocols.

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Protocol is it depends.

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It depends on the individual.

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It depends on the context of what's going on.

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So how do you bring that to, let's say, a new client?

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You don't necessarily know the pet.

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How do you open that up with a new client and help them to give you the information you would love to have?

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I'm going to be honest, my friend.

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It's very, very, very difficult,

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and that's why I started Holistic Actions almost 10 years ago

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because now all my clients have already been educated

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via Holistic Actions,

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where we teach these holistic methods that we're talking about.

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And that, you know, all you really have to do,

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you don't have to have joined us, you know,

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Holistic Actions, but read the blog about Beam

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or really any of the things that I discuss

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always goes back to beam,

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whether it's a sun beam,

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because the sun is an awesome healing agent,

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whether it's that balance beam that we're walking,

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that allows us to stay balanced,

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or beams that are the framework of the system

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that we're talking about.

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Because this is, in essence,

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what's called scientific wellness,

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meaning that the science behind all the actions

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is there not only to support you,

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but also to give you a roadmap

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to being the best you can be,

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being the best an animal can be,

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giving them the best life possible.

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And it starts with beam,

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because beam is the reflector

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along that road.

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What would you suggest for somebody that,

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for my case, a couple months ago,

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we had a little black cat show up in our backyard,

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know nothing about her.

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She's hiding in the back, you know,

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under the shed and barely comes out.

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And we started feeding her and we did take her to the vet.

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That was quite the ordeal all in itself.

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We had to lure her in there and she did not like that.

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and they had to sedate her just to examine her in the first place.

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But what would you suggest to somebody that runs across a situation like that?

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Do you have any words of advice?

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The first thing that we do in a situation like that,

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whether it's a feral cat or a lion or it's just quiet your mind,

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listen to all the kiddies in your mind that it's okay,

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that you're not going to hurt it, that it's safe.

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And then maybe as atramatically as possible,

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capture it in a half a heart and then transport it.

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But the question I would have is, why did you think it needed care?

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Was it sick? Was it traumatizing?

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I don't ask that in your situation, but the first thing you may want to do

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is say, do I need to intervene here?

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Do I need to do more than

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get quiet

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and listen?

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In our case, she was

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sneezing and had a runny nose and

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drippy eyes, and we figured she

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probably had some kind of upper respiratory

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going on. We just, we don't know

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how to deal with that at home and that the main reason we brought her somewhere else That perfect because that a beautiful example of what you said I did

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We didn't know how to deal with her at home, and you don't.

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You just trust, flaw a balance that it probably was a respiratory infection.

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is going to either rebalance or get

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the kitty cat as old and sick. It may succumb

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to that, but it might be better for that to happen than

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to be scared to death by being dragged to the vet and

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sedated. I mean, I just have a rescue dog

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now that I've spent a year and a half trying to

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instill safety in, you know, that things are safe.

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and she still would try to kill you, literally.

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She's the sweetest girl in the world,

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but if she thinks you're trying to hurt her,

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she will attack you.

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Talk about rowellers.

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We have trainers that work with police dogs.

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They say half the police dogs don't have to drive to kill you.

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They walked up to the door,

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and the dog almost went through the window trying to get them.

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Oh, wow.

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Wow.

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That was from lack of safety because she is such a sweet girl in every other situation.

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But she's still very protective.

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So I guess, again, it goes back to it depends.

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It depends on the individual.

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And I want to go back to that because the essence of scientific wellness is individuality.

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and it's made up by what's called P4 Medicine

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or four Ps, and the first P is personalized.

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So that's where we're going, guys.

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Let's go to that place of personalized care

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for our animals and ourselves.

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The beauty is that we have the ability to do that ourselves.

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that unfortunately right now,

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the mainstream medical doctors, veterinarians,

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I'd have to say more so veterinarians than doctors

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because there are some doctors that are seeing the light.

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That light is healing,

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and they're even prescribing nature therapy.

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Now I'm getting way off pace from what you asked.

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Sorry, that's my own brain issue.

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I honestly don't think you are.

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I think you're so spot on on target.

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It's like one of our great Pyrenees.

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And we didn't recognize this.

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This was a very tough one because they're very stoic animals.

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I mean, extremely stoic animals.

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And we didn't know, but some of the long grass seeds, you know what I'm talking about?

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The ones that Barb had gotten into the top of her paw, the fur, and worked into her paw.

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And it had abscessed.

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And by the time we had seen it, the reason we saw it was there was discoloration on the fur.

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And she was not showing any signs of any trouble whatsoever.

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And so cut away some of the fur and there was an open abscess.

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and you know the original thought for a lot of people in that occasion is okay we've got to go

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to the vet and i went down looked squeezed really hard make sure we didn't have any kind of like a

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you know bot fly or something like that larva uh did not and you know got some material out of there

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from the grass seed uh and then you know the next thing was okay well we need to go grab neosporin

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And I'm like, whoa, let's not put gasoline on this.

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And I mean, literally, um, instead let's reach for the colloidal silver.

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Right.

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And I think there's, there's in, in, within two days, you know, the, the infection and

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the, the soreness and swelling had gone away by using colloidal silver.

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Um, in, and I think there's, I think there's a whole, there's a whole lot of need to get

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people to understand that there are mechanisms that you can use to help heal, to further the

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health, happiness, and longevity of animals that are natural, that you don't have to go buy a pill

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or a cream or something like this. You can use a natural functional medicine in a lot of cases.

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Absolutely, and that is the essence of holistic medicine with nature.

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We always try to use natural things that support the body while it heals

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because we know very well that we live in a state of dinette,

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that our animals, that all living beings are in a state of dynamic equilibriums.

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We're always changing and we're always trying to attain or regain balance.

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So yeah, you knew intuitively that even though your dog had an injury, his beam was fine.

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You can try little local measures like you did and that works 80% of the time.

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I'm sure that if your dog was hiding and stopped eating

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and wanting to be left alone,

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you would have gone to that much sooner,

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even without a problem.

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Sometimes that's oftentimes a change in being,

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Earl, you really need to go to get an early diagnosis.

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And unfortunately, and this is where we're going to jump off,

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and unfortunately you can often see a change in beam.

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Go and have all the diagnostic tests and they're all normal.

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Yet your animal is still sick.

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What do you do?

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Well, in veterinary parlance,

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we have you just wait and get back with us

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in a couple of weeks or months to see if they get sicker

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and then we'll be able to figure it out

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because we know they're going to either get sicker

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or it's going to go away.

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right yeah if you don't mind me asking for a little advice while we're on the subject of

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alternative things so so the little kitty in our backyard and i don't mean to put you on the spot

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here um she recovered from her um upper respiratory perfectly they did give her a course of antibiotics

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that we put her on you know whether that's good or bad i don't know but she did end up having um

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a recurring or assuming a UTI thing where she's squatting, trying to pee several times and little

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tiny amounts are coming out. And we called them back. I really didn't want to put her through

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dragging her back there since it was such a hard time for her. We only give her wet food and we

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try to add a little water in there to hydrate her more. And we got some D-manos powder. I don't know

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if you've heard of that before. Is there anything else that we can do at home before dragging her

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all the way back there and putting her through that.

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You are so far down the road of being on the right path.

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So yeah, the extra water, the wet food,

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do you add water to her diet?

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Yeah.

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So she lives out back.

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We're in Florida.

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Yeah, I stir it in her food, give her extra,

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and we pay the extra money for the urinary formula food.

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It's more expensive.

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I don't know if it makes any difference or not,

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but that's what we've been doing.

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well now we're

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delving into the fact

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we're going to get on the food subject later

324
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well no it's all related

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that's the problem

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it's all one

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because we're talking about vitality

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vitality

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in commercial

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canned processed food

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is low

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vitality in fresh food

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raw food, real food

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is high

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So what does she need to optimize her immune function

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as high of a vitality as possible?

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How do you ensure that?

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By the food, by the supplements that support her instead of suppress her,

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but also by giving her things to do that she loves, loves, loves to do.

340
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Because when you give a cat, a dog, or any animal or person

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a purpose in life, a joy,

342
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then our bodies begin running like Ferraris.

343
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That makes a lot of sense.

344
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Yeah.

345
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Yeah, food's a big one.

346
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I know, like for us, our puppies love salad night,

347
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which is probably four times, five times a week.

348
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No, they really do because they get cucumbers

349
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and maybe a little bit of cheese, a little bit,

350
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bell peppers and you know different different treats on their uh on their on their you know

351
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food that they absolutely love and we love doing that for them so it's one of their their highlights

352
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they get a little treat we're happy everyone's happy and that is that is what it's all about i

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mean animals live to be happy to be enjoyed to love you to love being loved to eat and to

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play.

355
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So we eat play in love.

356
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Not eat pray love, but eat play

357
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love.

358
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It's pretty close.

359
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It's pretty close.

360
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Many, many,

361
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you know,

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don't want to go there.

363
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You're talking about the food.

364
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I know on my own journey,

365
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my diet has made a significant

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change in my health, and I'm sure

367
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it's the same for animals.

368
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I'm sure none of that commercial food

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is what you would consider good.

370
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Do you have a suggestion for people to feed their animal?

371
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Do you think raw diet is the way to go?

372
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But it's much more difficult,

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and I'm sure it's much more expensive for people to go that route.

374
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Actually, the amount of money you end up saving

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on medical and veterinary bills.

376
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That's a good point.

377
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Yeah.

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I know a lot.

379
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I began this journey, the online part of the journey,

380
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because somebody had contacted me with their dog

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that had chronic diarrhea all over the house.

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Unfortunately, at that point, I was so backed up,

383
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by the time I got back to them a week or two later,

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they had already put the dog to sleep.

385
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Because the dog had seen a dozen veterinarians,

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vet specialists, and now they put the dog on a raw food,

387
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a fresh food diet.

388
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because when you're going from vet to vet to vet,

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you're getting a second opinion.

390
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You're not getting a different opinion.

391
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And I'd like to right now apply a different opinion

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to your kitty with the upper respiratory

393
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because our establishment, the way we are right now,

394
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is focused on the germs as the bad guy.

395
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It's germ theory.

396
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ever since good old Louis Pasteur turned us on to pasteurization

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and commercialized the whole process.

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Then germs became evil and there grew up a whole industry to fight them.

399
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Well, at the same time as Louis was developing his theory,

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there was a whole bunch of doctors developing what's called the terrain theory.

401
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and the terrain theory says that if your inner balance as defined by your terrain we can go into

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what all the pieces are if your inner balance is high enough you're not going to be susceptible to

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the germs so the germs do not matter unless you're susceptible like if you're a negative example of

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00:25:29,108 --> 00:25:37,728
an individual or an animal with no immune system, they can be killed by staph bacteria

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on their bodies no matter what antibiotics are given because the antibiotics can only

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work if the immune system is able to do its job.

407
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Yeah, and I think there's a huge amount of value in terrain theory.

408
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Actually I will say that Pasteur did bring about some significant knowledge in certain spaces

409
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I also have a personal dislike for the man because of why do we pasteurize everything?

410
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Like, we just take all of the nutrients and amino chains and everything and kill them

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and then give us this food that is a fraction of what it was, you know?

412
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Sorry.

413
00:26:35,176 --> 00:26:39,816
But we did that episode on raw milk, and, yeah, we had a few dissenting opinions on that.

414
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People tell, you know, you're going to die.

415
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Exactly.

416
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The government tells you you shouldn't drink that.

417
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I pick up a gallon of it every week on my herd chair, and I consume it and make yogurt from it, and I'm doing well.

418
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But you never know.

419
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You know, there's a risk.

420
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There's a risk in being alive.

421
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That's true.

422
00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:10,756
There is, but I mean, especially—

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I have the dogs I know that have choked on food.

424
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I have people that say, you know, I don't eat raw bones.

425
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I can choke my dogs.

426
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I know in 41 years that have choked on food have been dry food, dry kibble.

427
00:27:22,476 --> 00:27:26,096
And raw bones are not bad for dogs.

428
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Canines are developed specifically to be able to handle these.

429
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And yes, even chicken bones, it's once they're cooked that they can splinter and become sharp.

430
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But even then, you know, in most cases, I would say that's not problematic for a dog or probably not a cat either.

431
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Right.

432
00:27:49,136 --> 00:27:53,776
But again, uncooked raw chicken bones without question.

433
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You have no problem there.

434
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They're not going to cause a problem for your dog.

435
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Promise.

436
00:27:59,356 --> 00:28:07,936
If I could just show you how many chickens one of our dogs has eaten and turkeys, I'm telling you right now, not a problem.

437
00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:09,436
On purpose or by accident?

438
00:28:09,916 --> 00:28:22,756
Well, one of our chicken pens and coop is, so we have about an acre fenced in for our dogs with, you know, fencing for them.

439
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And then behind that is a raised bed garden.

440
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And then behind that is the chicken pen, right?

441
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And this is for our layers.

442
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and they get to go into the raised bed garden

443
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and clean that up at the end of the season

444
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and fertilize and turn the soil

445
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and eat the weed seeds and all that good stuff.

446
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But there's only a fence in between them.

447
00:28:44,016 --> 00:28:47,296
And while they're not proficient flyers,

448
00:28:47,376 --> 00:28:49,616
they can jump up on a pretty tall fence

449
00:28:49,616 --> 00:28:52,896
and they like to jump into the yard sometimes

450
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and sometimes we can't see them every time

451
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and boy, that dog does.

452
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so i feel very mighty tasty i'm sure yeah i feel very bad about that we don't like that but

453
00:29:05,156 --> 00:29:10,756
it's an unfortunate consequence of them living in the same area you know

454
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dogs dogs are dogs you know i mean they they have you know this innate desire to hunt for food

455
00:29:20,096 --> 00:29:28,596
yeah our dogs did really good on the uh the raw food thing when uh we don't have our dogs

456
00:29:28,596 --> 00:29:33,636
currently but they did really good i i noticed and it's going to sound weird but the poop was

457
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a lot less and and we tried to scoop the yard but like if you missed it it myodegrades a lot faster

458
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than when they were eating like kibble for say that that stuff that just wouldn't go away you'd

459
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have to scoop it.

460
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So anyway, that's done with the poop talk

461
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now. That reminds

462
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me of what was the movie

463
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Super Super Assized Me

464
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where the guy

465
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put out the french fries and they never

466
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went bad over months and months

467
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and I think it was years and years

468
00:30:04,876 --> 00:30:06,996
and of course he got

469
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very sick by eating

470
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processed food only.

471
00:30:11,816 --> 00:30:13,036
Right. Yeah, 30 days

472
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of nothing but McDonald's and

473
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and he was not in great shape afterwards.

474
00:30:18,856 --> 00:30:20,256
Just 30 days.

475
00:30:22,116 --> 00:30:24,396
Yeah, that was an eye-opener right there.

476
00:30:24,396 --> 00:30:29,876
And as Alex had said, both of us, we grow quite a lot of our own food.

477
00:30:30,936 --> 00:30:36,296
We raise a good portion, I guess, of our food as well,

478
00:30:36,456 --> 00:30:41,676
and we tend to patronize farmers' markets as opposed to supermarkets.

479
00:30:41,676 --> 00:30:47,376
And if we do go into a supermarket, only the outer walls is what we look for.

480
00:30:47,836 --> 00:30:51,896
Because that's where the produce and the meat and the dairy is.

481
00:30:51,976 --> 00:30:56,256
And the inside is all packaged stuff that is, I mean, it's poison.

482
00:30:56,416 --> 00:30:57,576
Let's just be honest.

483
00:30:57,616 --> 00:30:58,156
It's poison.

484
00:31:01,176 --> 00:31:05,276
Why do you think supermarkets do that?

485
00:31:05,556 --> 00:31:07,876
Have the good stuff on the outside?

486
00:31:07,876 --> 00:31:10,536
Is that because they want you to have the good stuff?

487
00:31:11,676 --> 00:31:18,656
No, it's because most people go down the aisles, and then they end up on the outside, and then they turn around and go back down the next aisle.

488
00:31:20,036 --> 00:31:26,436
Yeah, that's what I think as well, that it's much more economically peaceful to do it that way.

489
00:31:26,436 --> 00:31:32,776
There are a lot of people that don't ever go to the outer limits of the market.

490
00:31:34,596 --> 00:31:41,316
Yeah, and it's amazing to me, like when we will go shopping, you'll see people come with...

491
00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:45,376
And I'm not against this, right, in general, right, frozen vegetables.

492
00:31:45,636 --> 00:31:53,716
I think if, like we freeze a lot of our harvest because it does, you know, keep them and maintain them in a healthy state.

493
00:31:54,436 --> 00:31:57,296
Sometimes texture is off, but we work around that.

494
00:31:57,796 --> 00:32:04,956
But the number of people that I see that will go in and bypass the produce section and then go buy a bag of frozen broccoli.

495
00:32:05,116 --> 00:32:10,176
And I'm like, but there's like fresh right there.

496
00:32:11,316 --> 00:32:13,076
But it's more expensive.

497
00:32:13,076 --> 00:32:13,856
But it's easy.

498
00:32:13,996 --> 00:32:14,336
Yeah.

499
00:32:14,576 --> 00:32:15,996
It is more expensive.

500
00:32:16,556 --> 00:32:16,756
Yeah.

501
00:32:17,196 --> 00:32:19,056
But it's also not processed.

502
00:32:21,016 --> 00:32:26,996
Though I do have to say that frozen is probably the best way for, you know,

503
00:32:27,056 --> 00:32:32,556
if broccoli is in season where you live and it's not being shipped across the world,

504
00:32:32,816 --> 00:32:37,776
then yeah, I mean, fresh local broccoli, you have to go to your local pharmacy.

505
00:32:37,776 --> 00:32:38,256
Yeah.

506
00:32:38,256 --> 00:32:54,716
But if it's the heat of winter, then you're probably going to end up buying your broccoli, your peas, and whatnot, frozen.

507
00:32:55,716 --> 00:32:58,556
Unless you're lucky like we have a farm.

508
00:32:59,896 --> 00:33:01,996
We actually grow broccoli in the winter.

509
00:33:01,996 --> 00:33:16,156
It's, so what we've found over years, decades, I guess, of me growing vegetables is, so Brascos, that's your like your cabbage or broccoli, your Brussels sprouts, things of this nature.

510
00:33:16,156 --> 00:33:17,716
They don't like summer at all.

511
00:33:17,836 --> 00:33:19,076
They do not like summer.

512
00:33:19,376 --> 00:33:28,996
So what we've found is if you plant in late summer and even if you're late to the party, they will withstand pretty harsh winters.

513
00:33:28,996 --> 00:33:36,656
winters. I mean, really like 24 degrees before you even have to cover them. Um, and what I found

514
00:33:36,656 --> 00:33:41,636
is, although they don't grow, they just sit there. You don't really have to do anything to maintain

515
00:33:41,636 --> 00:33:46,596
them until the spring for the most part, maybe every once in a while, a little water, but you

516
00:33:46,596 --> 00:33:52,756
know, keep in mind there's the evaporation isn't happening. Um, and then very, very, very early

517
00:33:52,756 --> 00:33:58,776
before spring really, or right when spring is starting, they're, they're ready to harvest and

518
00:33:58,776 --> 00:34:04,636
And they are, I've had like our neighbor actually came and said, what did you do with this broccoli?

519
00:34:04,796 --> 00:34:05,916
How did you grow this?

520
00:34:05,956 --> 00:34:06,496
I want to know.

521
00:34:06,556 --> 00:34:08,716
And I said, oh, we just overwinter them.

522
00:34:09,176 --> 00:34:12,056
And he was like, that's the best broccoli I've ever had in my life.

523
00:34:12,316 --> 00:34:14,216
And I was like, it's that.

524
00:34:14,476 --> 00:34:15,516
Carrots, same thing.

525
00:34:15,656 --> 00:34:17,596
Carrots overwintered are sweeter.

526
00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:20,956
They're just amazing.

527
00:34:21,776 --> 00:34:23,336
So, but yes, I agree.

528
00:34:23,336 --> 00:34:40,916
And I think eating in season, uh, local in season food is, is without question better for you. Even if it's, even I have this kind of weird theory that our bodies are made to eat what should be in season, uh, in geographies.

529
00:34:40,916 --> 00:34:54,976
Uh, and I think even if it's, you know, super fresh and, you know, unadulterated, you know, organic, great food, uh, that was grown in a climate that was, you know, good for it at that time.

530
00:34:54,976 --> 00:34:56,716
And then shipped to you even overnight.

531
00:34:56,916 --> 00:35:04,236
I, I, I think your body doesn't have, I think we go through a cycle throughout the seasons, right?

532
00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:13,296
And I think your body isn't expecting to get that and doesn't make full utilization of the nutrients in the food because it's not supposed to be eating that right now.

533
00:35:15,056 --> 00:35:28,736
Very, very wise and again, very intuitive and also the basis of framework for health, pet wellness and framework of Ayurveda.

534
00:35:28,736 --> 00:35:31,916
because the Ayurvedic docs

535
00:35:31,916 --> 00:35:35,876
are all very, very much on board with eating

536
00:35:35,876 --> 00:35:38,336
or if you want to bring it up to date,

537
00:35:38,516 --> 00:35:39,976
eat right for your type.

538
00:35:41,936 --> 00:35:44,156
It's a subset of that.

539
00:35:44,296 --> 00:35:46,316
But yes, it's known in Ayurveda

540
00:35:46,316 --> 00:35:49,156
and Chinese medicine for thousands of years

541
00:35:49,156 --> 00:35:54,036
that eating the right foods can be helpful

542
00:35:54,036 --> 00:35:56,056
or harm you.

543
00:35:56,056 --> 00:36:02,596
But what we're talking about today is how to mitigate that harm no matter what you eat.

544
00:36:03,596 --> 00:36:11,556
Because I think there's a very easy way that everyone can learn and should learn to do that.

545
00:36:11,656 --> 00:36:17,676
What you heard today really is to spread the word that we all have within us,

546
00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:25,456
the ability to maintain that balance in ourselves and our animals better than a trained medical professional.

547
00:36:25,456 --> 00:36:32,756
That's good for when you have something that you need to figure out what's going on.

548
00:36:33,676 --> 00:36:37,036
But the majority of the time, when you look at it,

549
00:36:38,296 --> 00:36:42,096
before medicine was as developed as it is right now,

550
00:36:42,096 --> 00:36:47,936
look at the pioneer people as they began to go west in this country.

551
00:36:49,116 --> 00:36:51,836
The moms were the doctors, the family.

552
00:36:51,836 --> 00:36:59,216
The mom, and they used this wisdom, they used working along with the smartest doctor or Dr. Mother Nature.

553
00:37:00,416 --> 00:37:09,976
They knew that working along with her was the way back to help them and their family and their animals.

554
00:37:09,976 --> 00:37:14,336
and we can do the same thing today

555
00:37:14,336 --> 00:37:16,556
but we have the hard part

556
00:37:16,556 --> 00:37:18,756
is breaking free of our

557
00:37:18,756 --> 00:37:21,456
our mindsets that

558
00:37:21,456 --> 00:37:24,416
basically bring us back automatically

559
00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:27,976
to fear and anxiety

560
00:37:27,976 --> 00:37:30,936
and uncertainty and all things that our animals

561
00:37:30,936 --> 00:37:31,736
don't have

562
00:37:31,736 --> 00:37:36,376
they're not worried about

563
00:37:36,376 --> 00:37:39,416
well there's this treatment or this diagnostically

564
00:37:39,976 --> 00:37:43,796
my diagnosis, but I'm not supposed to live for long.

565
00:37:43,976 --> 00:37:47,896
Well, I don't know if you know Bernie Siegel,

566
00:37:48,176 --> 00:37:51,676
is that name? Ring a bell? He wrote the first book about

567
00:37:51,676 --> 00:37:56,016
this, one of the first called Love, Medicine, and Miracles back in

568
00:37:56,016 --> 00:37:59,236
the 80s. And that was about how

569
00:37:59,236 --> 00:38:03,836
love, harnessing the power

570
00:38:03,836 --> 00:38:07,716
of love, can perform medical miracles,

571
00:38:07,716 --> 00:38:13,936
which we've seen, which he's seen now for almost 75 years.

572
00:38:15,576 --> 00:38:21,176
And Bernie had a dog that had an inoperable terminal cancer.

573
00:38:22,036 --> 00:38:24,616
Went to the vet, and the vet said,

574
00:38:24,616 --> 00:38:27,316
well, Bernie, you've had a lot of animals.

575
00:38:27,676 --> 00:38:29,416
It's time to put this one to sleep.

576
00:38:30,896 --> 00:38:32,336
But the dog was still wagging.

577
00:38:32,456 --> 00:38:34,116
The beam was still high.

578
00:38:34,776 --> 00:38:36,456
Bernie was given one call.

579
00:38:36,456 --> 00:38:38,836
So, Bernie called his son, and his son said,

580
00:38:39,276 --> 00:38:43,536
Dad, we don't just put our animals to sleep because they have a bad diagnosis.

581
00:38:44,436 --> 00:38:48,096
So, Bernie brought the dog home against the vet's advice,

582
00:38:49,636 --> 00:38:53,976
give food of love, fresh food, happiness.

583
00:38:54,836 --> 00:38:56,416
He lived another couple of years.

584
00:38:57,996 --> 00:38:58,556
Wow.

585
00:38:59,016 --> 00:39:11,524
That is awesome Yeah that ahead Alex No I was just thinking that you talking about pet euthanization That has to be one of the hardest parts of being a vet

586
00:39:13,264 --> 00:39:22,164
For me, I don't think I could do the job simply for that fact. I just, I get too emotional and I don't know that I would be able to handle that.

587
00:39:22,844 --> 00:39:27,584
How have you been able to handle that personally on your path in this career?

588
00:39:27,584 --> 00:39:41,344
Yeah, that's a great, great and very deep question that I will only answer superficially right now, and that is it is very, very hard.

589
00:39:41,824 --> 00:39:50,404
And euthanasia and the need to euthanize is one of the top causes for compassion fatigue in veterinarians.

590
00:39:51,284 --> 00:39:56,724
So I guess the superficial answer is that many of us just, you know, we have to put that in a box.

591
00:39:57,584 --> 00:40:01,264
to compartmentalize it in a way.

592
00:40:02,044 --> 00:40:02,144
Yeah.

593
00:40:02,764 --> 00:40:06,224
That we have done the best that we can do,

594
00:40:06,424 --> 00:40:09,504
and that now the best we can do is to help them pass.

595
00:40:10,764 --> 00:40:15,144
But if you ask me to reframe that situation,

596
00:40:15,144 --> 00:40:18,744
could you ask me what my path is like now?

597
00:40:19,464 --> 00:40:21,384
That's not the path I'm walking.

598
00:40:23,584 --> 00:40:25,564
Yeah, I think I would have to just refuse.

599
00:40:25,564 --> 00:40:29,724
who just be like, we offer all veterinary services except that.

600
00:40:30,604 --> 00:40:31,344
Yeah, yeah.

601
00:40:31,824 --> 00:40:33,164
I couldn't do it.

602
00:40:33,164 --> 00:40:38,544
I do recognize that there are times when there is a need for that.

603
00:40:39,064 --> 00:40:46,944
My wife's previous Belgian, Gronendale, had a hermangiosarcoma rupture.

604
00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:52,024
And this happened, nobody knew it was there.

605
00:40:52,444 --> 00:40:53,864
Her beam was off the charts.

606
00:40:53,864 --> 00:41:22,124
I mean, this dog was insane, right? I mean, active beyond active appetite, everything was fine. And then apparently this had been there and nobody had noticed and it ruptured and literally within hours it was. And so we brought her in and they said, we, we just asked, is there anything you can do for her, uh, that will allow her to have a night with us at home so we can show her how much we love her.

607
00:41:22,124 --> 00:41:28,764
And to be, so we got to do that.

608
00:41:28,904 --> 00:41:36,244
And then, you know, by the next morning, she was, she was not, it was just not good.

609
00:41:36,264 --> 00:41:37,844
And it was an unfortunate thing.

610
00:41:38,024 --> 00:41:44,524
But I, we both felt that at that time it was probably better than having her suffer for another day or two.

611
00:41:44,884 --> 00:41:45,944
Yeah, for sure.

612
00:41:46,364 --> 00:41:46,564
Yeah.

613
00:41:46,724 --> 00:41:47,644
Sorry about that.

614
00:41:47,824 --> 00:41:47,984
Yeah.

615
00:41:48,124 --> 00:41:48,364
No.

616
00:41:48,944 --> 00:41:49,744
I'm sorry.

617
00:41:49,744 --> 00:41:51,104
I didn't mean to bring that up.

618
00:41:51,104 --> 00:42:05,644
No, that's always a hard, hard topic to discuss, and that's why my path now has brought me more to the path of alignment, aligning with life.

619
00:42:05,644 --> 00:42:14,564
I see life has really just a spectrum of birth to death, so death is not the opposite of birth.

620
00:42:14,564 --> 00:42:19,204
it's part of life

621
00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:22,184
and that involves walking along with them

622
00:42:22,184 --> 00:42:24,144
throughout all their stages

623
00:42:24,144 --> 00:42:27,644
when they're young, when they're middle-aged

624
00:42:27,644 --> 00:42:29,684
and when they're senior and now

625
00:42:29,684 --> 00:42:33,704
there's a very, very big and growing movement

626
00:42:33,704 --> 00:42:37,584
towards natural death of animals

627
00:42:37,584 --> 00:42:40,884
relieve suffering as it needs to be relieved

628
00:42:40,884 --> 00:42:44,144
but don't just

629
00:42:44,144 --> 00:42:46,124
I'll give you an example

630
00:42:46,124 --> 00:42:47,964
I had a 16 year old cat

631
00:42:47,964 --> 00:42:50,404
for many years

632
00:42:50,404 --> 00:42:54,424
she was diagnosed

633
00:42:54,424 --> 00:42:56,584
with hyperthyroidism

634
00:42:56,584 --> 00:42:58,584
and kidney failure years ago

635
00:42:58,584 --> 00:43:02,424
through diet love and homeopathy

636
00:43:02,424 --> 00:43:05,324
she's lived the past couple of years

637
00:43:05,324 --> 00:43:06,664
like a normal kitty

638
00:43:06,664 --> 00:43:08,724
she's actually faster than I am

639
00:43:08,724 --> 00:43:10,564
running for her food

640
00:43:10,564 --> 00:43:14,884
but then one day she stopped wanting to eat

641
00:43:14,884 --> 00:43:17,064
and she started hiding in the closet

642
00:43:17,064 --> 00:43:21,984
so we respected what she was telling us

643
00:43:21,984 --> 00:43:25,984
and as spring arrived on March 20th

644
00:43:26,904 --> 00:43:28,804
Tiki took her last breaths

645
00:43:28,804 --> 00:43:31,724
so that's the cycle of life

646
00:43:31,724 --> 00:43:35,944
death and rebirth is just really natural

647
00:43:35,944 --> 00:43:45,944
So are we working along with that natural doctor, Mother Nature, or working against her?

648
00:43:46,064 --> 00:43:54,024
So yes, I think that if suffering cannot be relieved at end of life, that's the way to go.

649
00:43:54,024 --> 00:44:08,824
But I think if more vets had the natural dying process training that is now available, that that compassion fatigue will become less and less over time.

650
00:44:11,004 --> 00:44:12,184
That would be a good thing.

651
00:44:13,304 --> 00:44:13,984
It would be.

652
00:44:14,324 --> 00:44:16,264
I really, truly believe that.

653
00:44:16,364 --> 00:44:19,004
I think there's a lot of room for that.

654
00:44:19,764 --> 00:44:21,164
I really do think that.

655
00:44:21,324 --> 00:44:22,404
And I think that's wonderful.

656
00:44:22,404 --> 00:44:32,604
So, I'm trying to formulate my thoughts.

657
00:44:33,484 --> 00:44:35,924
They're kind of jumbled for the moment.

658
00:44:36,064 --> 00:44:36,764
Sorry about that.

659
00:44:36,844 --> 00:44:42,004
I kind of lost my rhythm there for a moment in the previous discussion.

660
00:44:42,004 --> 00:44:52,684
Um, so your, your holistic and your holistic approach, uh, involves diet and beam and obviously

661
00:44:52,684 --> 00:44:53,224
love.

662
00:44:53,224 --> 00:44:56,204
I mean, if you, if you have a pet, they are a family member.

663
00:44:56,204 --> 00:44:57,244
They're like your children.

664
00:44:57,384 --> 00:45:01,744
You should always be, you know, there should be a connection and there should be love.

665
00:45:01,744 --> 00:45:02,044
Right.

666
00:45:02,404 --> 00:45:07,984
Um, but I guess how do you, you introduce people to this approach?

667
00:45:07,984 --> 00:45:15,564
Is it something you step people into, or do you just kind of, here's the fire hose, stick it in your mouth, let's turn it on?

668
00:45:16,704 --> 00:45:21,164
I think no matter what we do, we need to meet people where they are.

669
00:45:21,844 --> 00:45:28,024
So there are people that are ready for, here's the whole framework, read this book, and you'll be all set.

670
00:45:28,144 --> 00:45:31,304
That's really all you need for self-care forever.

671
00:45:31,304 --> 00:45:36,844
but the vast majority it's a slow stepping process

672
00:45:36,844 --> 00:45:41,404
and that's why we try to introduce things gradually

673
00:45:41,404 --> 00:45:43,204
at Holistic Actions.

674
00:45:44,244 --> 00:45:47,504
The very biggest complaint

675
00:45:47,504 --> 00:45:50,264
because what we've done with our platform

676
00:45:50,264 --> 00:45:55,404
is reframed all the diseases, all the bad things.

677
00:45:55,504 --> 00:45:59,944
We've reframed that in the paradigm that we're talking about.

678
00:45:59,944 --> 00:46:08,204
And I think that the biggest complaint we get is people seeing all that being available and getting overwhelmed.

679
00:46:08,464 --> 00:46:13,144
So they're being firehosed, and we need to really drip it out to them more gradually.

680
00:46:13,404 --> 00:46:15,484
And that's actually what we're doing this year.

681
00:46:15,924 --> 00:46:21,364
Because we spent nine years firehosing it, and this year we're dripping it out.

682
00:46:22,724 --> 00:46:24,484
So where do you start?

683
00:46:24,484 --> 00:46:28,064
Is there a natural starting place, or is it different for everyone?

684
00:46:29,944 --> 00:46:31,424
That, yeah.

685
00:46:31,924 --> 00:46:33,564
Where do we start?

686
00:46:33,924 --> 00:46:37,584
It should ideally be different for everyone.

687
00:46:38,304 --> 00:46:41,004
Ideally, we'd start with your questions.

688
00:46:42,144 --> 00:46:46,464
So what can we apply in the bigger framework?

689
00:46:46,464 --> 00:46:53,524
What can we apply to your kitty with an upper respiratory or UTI or skin problems?

690
00:46:53,784 --> 00:46:55,764
Or how does it apply?

691
00:46:56,064 --> 00:46:58,044
How do we reframe fleas?

692
00:46:58,044 --> 00:47:01,964
How do we reframe the preventatives that we give?

693
00:47:02,064 --> 00:47:04,804
How do we reframe vaccines?

694
00:47:05,164 --> 00:47:07,844
Everything, pretty much, that we talk about.

695
00:47:09,944 --> 00:47:16,904
So that's a way of not answering your question about where to start.

696
00:47:17,424 --> 00:47:19,204
Because where we start...

697
00:47:19,204 --> 00:47:22,584
You hit on a lot of points that I'm very curious about,

698
00:47:22,584 --> 00:47:25,084
especially the flea treatment.

699
00:47:25,084 --> 00:47:31,864
But since our indoor cats aren't so much of a problem, but her living outside, I feel terrible for her.

700
00:47:32,564 --> 00:47:37,544
And I hate putting what's essentially poison on her to kill those bugs.

701
00:47:37,544 --> 00:47:42,164
But she just gets all scabbed up and she's itching like crazy.

702
00:47:42,304 --> 00:47:43,404
And I feel terrible for her.

703
00:47:43,404 --> 00:47:45,024
She could come inside if she wanted to.

704
00:47:45,124 --> 00:47:46,264
She doesn't really want to.

705
00:47:46,644 --> 00:47:48,364
So maybe someday.

706
00:47:48,564 --> 00:47:49,064
But anyway.

707
00:47:49,064 --> 00:47:52,364
and she probably

708
00:47:52,364 --> 00:47:54,104
would not allow you to flee

709
00:47:54,104 --> 00:47:56,004
from her without a lot of

710
00:47:56,004 --> 00:47:58,084
stress right probably

711
00:47:58,084 --> 00:47:59,984
good that would be the

712
00:47:59,984 --> 00:48:01,704
first action that

713
00:48:01,704 --> 00:48:04,044
you would do and otherwise you just have to

714
00:48:04,044 --> 00:48:05,964
say well she's a wild cat

715
00:48:05,964 --> 00:48:07,624
just like a cat on savannah

716
00:48:07,624 --> 00:48:09,884
and they're gonna have bugs they're gonna be

717
00:48:09,884 --> 00:48:11,884
mangy they're gonna be scrawny

718
00:48:11,884 --> 00:48:14,044
or they're never

719
00:48:14,044 --> 00:48:16,164
overweight they don't

720
00:48:16,164 --> 00:48:17,744
know they never have dental

721
00:48:17,744 --> 00:48:19,484
disease. They never get

722
00:48:19,484 --> 00:48:20,504
cardiomyopathy.

723
00:48:21,224 --> 00:48:23,604
You don't see

724
00:48:23,604 --> 00:48:25,564
too many with diabetes, meaning

725
00:48:25,564 --> 00:48:27,624
too many carbs or eating dry

726
00:48:27,624 --> 00:48:28,204
food.

727
00:48:29,324 --> 00:48:31,604
But yeah, you're right. Some have fleas

728
00:48:31,604 --> 00:48:32,424
and are rangy.

729
00:48:33,944 --> 00:48:34,504
Yeah.

730
00:48:35,924 --> 00:48:37,844
You did mention the vaccine

731
00:48:37,844 --> 00:48:39,664
thing a little bit. Is there a place

732
00:48:39,664 --> 00:48:40,964
that I'm sure most vets

733
00:48:40,964 --> 00:48:43,604
believe in vaccines and even I think the

734
00:48:43,604 --> 00:48:45,484
county ordinance requires it, but

735
00:48:45,484 --> 00:48:51,524
For our instance, for the indoor cats, I personally don't give ours the vaccines.

736
00:48:51,624 --> 00:48:55,424
We never have, and I don't think there's a real need for it since they don't go outside.

737
00:48:55,664 --> 00:48:59,364
But I'm sure you have an opinion on that for yourself.

738
00:49:00,384 --> 00:49:01,184
I actually don't.

739
00:49:01,944 --> 00:49:04,384
I do not because there is no opinion.

740
00:49:06,624 --> 00:49:07,704
Vaccines work.

741
00:49:09,344 --> 00:49:10,784
Vaccines have a place.

742
00:49:10,784 --> 00:49:14,844
but vaccines are widely overused in animals.

743
00:49:14,844 --> 00:49:19,844
So we've jumped on the bandwagon finally in the late 70s

744
00:49:20,484 --> 00:49:24,044
where we started modifying the annual vaccines.

745
00:49:24,184 --> 00:49:27,344
In Florida, they're getting every vaccine every six months

746
00:49:27,344 --> 00:49:29,064
in some clinics.

747
00:49:30,404 --> 00:49:33,364
That's because of our fear of germs.

748
00:49:33,604 --> 00:49:35,844
And that brings us back to the terrain.

749
00:49:35,844 --> 00:49:40,284
and having you said that

750
00:49:40,284 --> 00:49:42,824
the train, you know,

751
00:49:43,004 --> 00:49:45,984
Louis Pasteur,

752
00:49:46,124 --> 00:49:48,504
not so much in the train, yeah.

753
00:49:49,504 --> 00:49:50,964
But actually I think

754
00:49:50,964 --> 00:49:53,764
that a hybrid theory is correct.

755
00:49:54,524 --> 00:49:56,424
I think that germs can be a problem

756
00:49:56,424 --> 00:49:58,184
if they're very reliant enough

757
00:49:58,184 --> 00:50:00,624
and if there are enough of them.

758
00:50:01,604 --> 00:50:03,084
But that situation

759
00:50:03,084 --> 00:50:05,544
of being in the middle of a pandemic

760
00:50:05,544 --> 00:50:08,904
or epidemic, it's pretty rare.

761
00:50:09,164 --> 00:50:14,124
I mean, I walk outside, I get exposed to Lyme disease almost every day.

762
00:50:14,124 --> 00:50:19,884
And all kinds of growing, growing pathogens.

763
00:50:20,444 --> 00:50:26,584
But again, the view that we're talking about, the holistic view,

764
00:50:26,804 --> 00:50:32,404
is that the world is a whole, that we live in an ecosystem,

765
00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:36,584
and that ecosystem contains insects, contains bugs,

766
00:50:36,784 --> 00:50:41,184
contains bacteria, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

767
00:50:41,544 --> 00:50:45,824
So, you know, we're looking at a bit of a reframe

768
00:50:45,824 --> 00:50:47,044
of mindset shift.

769
00:50:47,844 --> 00:50:50,364
You know, we're working to blow your minds.

770
00:50:50,824 --> 00:50:54,404
We're working to disrupt all of medical, everything.

771
00:50:54,584 --> 00:50:55,244
We ever learn?

772
00:50:55,404 --> 00:50:56,144
No, not really.

773
00:50:56,444 --> 00:50:57,004
Just kidding.

774
00:50:57,784 --> 00:51:01,144
Well, and it's like, you know, children, right?

775
00:51:01,144 --> 00:51:06,964
children are little Petri dishes. They're designed to be Petri dishes. Their immune systems are

776
00:51:06,964 --> 00:51:15,964
bulletproof, barring any, you know, other factors, right? Immune deficiency disorders or something

777
00:51:15,964 --> 00:51:23,804
of that fact, right? Uh, which, you know, I don't know enough to be, you know, to have an educated

778
00:51:23,804 --> 00:51:30,224
opinion other than to say that I do believe, uh, from what I've read that there are genetics that

779
00:51:30,224 --> 00:51:35,504
come into play and can have, like, it doesn't matter. Right. Um, but barring that, you know,

780
00:51:35,504 --> 00:51:40,944
they need that Petri dish experience. Right. And it's like, uh, you know, I had this discussion

781
00:51:40,944 --> 00:51:45,004
with someone a while back and they were like, Oh, I don't do hot tub, hot tubs. And I was like,

782
00:51:45,344 --> 00:51:50,704
why? And they said, Legionnaires. And I said, well, you're actively carrying Legionella all

783
00:51:50,704 --> 00:51:56,344
around with you right now. Guaranteed. Uh, if not, you've absolutely been exposed to it. It's

784
00:51:56,344 --> 00:51:58,844
It's only problematic when it's in dense,

785
00:51:58,844 --> 00:52:02,024
you know, dense enough quantity to cause you,

786
00:52:02,024 --> 00:52:04,944
you know, an overload where you can't fight it, right?

787
00:52:04,992 --> 00:52:08,512
I think we have gone like I don't sanitize my counters.

788
00:52:08,652 --> 00:52:10,292
I don't use bleach in my house.

789
00:52:10,292 --> 00:52:18,632
I, you know, I'm not, you know, there was a time where I was a lot more, uh, not a germaphobe,

790
00:52:18,712 --> 00:52:22,932
but, you know, still like a lot more, like everything has to be sanitized and cleaned.

791
00:52:23,132 --> 00:52:30,412
And I honestly believe that that's more detrimental to our health in general doing that.

792
00:52:30,412 --> 00:52:36,892
again, barring external factors. If you've got an immune disorder, then that may be something you

793
00:52:36,892 --> 00:52:41,932
necessarily have to do. I don't know, right? I'm not going to make an educated guess,

794
00:52:42,032 --> 00:52:47,312
but I imagine, you know, for me, I think it's the same for dogs, for cats, for horses, for

795
00:52:47,312 --> 00:52:54,032
everything else. If you're in a healthy state, you're intaking healthy, you know, nutrients,

796
00:52:54,032 --> 00:53:02,452
most of what's around us is not going to be super detrimental to you and if you do get it

797
00:53:02,452 --> 00:53:08,652
you're likely to develop a reaction that makes that so it's no longer problematic in the future

798
00:53:08,652 --> 00:53:18,432
and that is exactly what the means is designed to do and does so well until it breaks down

799
00:53:18,432 --> 00:53:22,732
because we've been working against it for so many years.

800
00:53:24,132 --> 00:53:30,532
And I rolled my eyes a little bit when you said genetic factors

801
00:53:30,532 --> 00:53:39,232
because we've learned that genes are a fraction of what makes us who we are.

802
00:53:39,232 --> 00:53:44,192
But yes, some of those kids are indeed born with genetic immune,

803
00:53:44,412 --> 00:53:48,012
catastrophic immune failures at a young, young age.

804
00:53:48,432 --> 00:53:55,012
I myself received immunoglobulin when I used to run 105, 106 fevers.

805
00:53:56,492 --> 00:54:02,432
And the hospital wasn't able to bring it down, so I ended up getting immunoglobulins.

806
00:54:02,672 --> 00:54:06,812
Did that predispose me to develop?

807
00:54:07,232 --> 00:54:08,672
Well, that's still the story, yeah.

808
00:54:09,872 --> 00:54:16,992
But P.S., when I got Lyme disease, confirmed Lyme disease back in 2001.

809
00:54:18,432 --> 00:54:23,672
I had 105 fever again, and that fever, along with homeopathy,

810
00:54:24,212 --> 00:54:26,192
didn't burn off the Lyme.

811
00:54:26,612 --> 00:54:28,972
And I was fine without antibiotics.

812
00:54:29,172 --> 00:54:32,352
But the next day, and that was 25 years ago.

813
00:54:32,512 --> 00:54:33,412
Wow, gosh.

814
00:54:33,972 --> 00:54:34,992
It's time for life, doesn't it?

815
00:54:35,012 --> 00:54:35,852
I know, right?

816
00:54:35,852 --> 00:54:36,852
25 years.

817
00:54:37,692 --> 00:54:41,672
That's like we used to call it our QC birthday when we were growing up,

818
00:54:41,712 --> 00:54:42,812
our quarter century.

819
00:54:44,892 --> 00:54:46,612
Yeah, and it's amazing.

820
00:54:46,612 --> 00:54:54,012
like, you know, we, we treat fevers as though there's something bad, right? But there,

821
00:54:54,672 --> 00:55:01,452
at least from what I've been able to uptake in, in, you know, reading literature and as well as

822
00:55:01,452 --> 00:55:06,032
papers that have been published, that's your body's natural response and it's healing.

823
00:55:06,272 --> 00:55:13,072
It needs that. And, you know, if you let it happen, things tend to progress towards healing

824
00:55:13,072 --> 00:55:15,452
a lot faster than if you suppress it.

825
00:55:17,532 --> 00:55:21,192
Yes, that is for sure the case.

826
00:55:21,412 --> 00:55:23,332
We know that.

827
00:55:23,912 --> 00:55:28,512
Let's look at a child that felt a high fever

828
00:55:28,512 --> 00:55:30,332
and we used to give them aspirin.

829
00:55:32,012 --> 00:55:33,332
What would happen to you remember

830
00:55:33,332 --> 00:55:36,752
what happened back when we used to give kids aspirin for fever?

831
00:55:37,492 --> 00:55:39,572
They developed liver disease.

832
00:55:39,912 --> 00:55:41,092
They developed RAE syndrome.

833
00:55:41,092 --> 00:55:42,012
They developed, yeah.

834
00:55:42,792 --> 00:55:48,672
Which is why we moved over to the less effective anti-inflammatory,

835
00:55:48,952 --> 00:55:51,352
because now we're getting into the world of antis,

836
00:55:52,112 --> 00:55:53,872
working against the body.

837
00:55:54,632 --> 00:55:58,012
You know, acetaminophen also can lower temps,

838
00:55:58,732 --> 00:56:03,512
but not as effectively as, you know, aspirin necessarily.

839
00:56:05,512 --> 00:56:06,432
So, yeah.

840
00:56:06,432 --> 00:56:18,112
For anyone interested, turmeric is more powerful than almost any anti-inflammatory medicine available on the market.

841
00:56:18,592 --> 00:56:28,712
And if you press your doctor on that, at least mine said, yeah, like he didn't, I had a broken collarbone.

842
00:56:28,712 --> 00:56:32,792
And afterwards, you know, he was handing all this stuff and I said, no anti-inflammatories.

843
00:56:32,912 --> 00:56:35,032
He looked at me and goes, you told me you're taking turmeric.

844
00:56:35,032 --> 00:56:40,252
you have a tea that you make that has turmeric and ginger and all this stuff in it and he goes

845
00:56:40,252 --> 00:56:43,972
i don't have anything that's going to work as well as that he said just keep doing that

846
00:56:43,972 --> 00:56:51,592
and and that was to me refreshing because i you like what oh you want another prescription here

847
00:56:51,592 --> 00:57:00,092
you go how many would you like sorry i not not to bag on any doctors at all but you know hey

848
00:57:00,092 --> 00:57:03,192
It's just the way it is.

849
00:57:03,532 --> 00:57:07,292
I mean, unfortunately, that is just the state of the art.

850
00:57:07,432 --> 00:57:11,712
That is what we call the standard of care.

851
00:57:12,732 --> 00:57:17,352
Because what we're talking about, guys, is below the standard of care.

852
00:57:18,652 --> 00:57:26,032
Meaning that optimizing your terrain, your immune system, your vitality, fresh food, all these things are below.

853
00:57:26,032 --> 00:57:31,472
but when you join them with the conventional

854
00:57:31,472 --> 00:57:34,912
or having a vet examine them and do the diet

855
00:57:34,912 --> 00:57:38,272
then they raise up the standard of care

856
00:57:38,272 --> 00:57:42,232
and that brings us back to your question about

857
00:57:42,232 --> 00:57:44,112
where do you meet people?

858
00:57:44,112 --> 00:57:49,312
And in January we met a whole new group of people

859
00:57:49,312 --> 00:57:54,372
with a month about getting how to get the best from both worlds.

860
00:57:56,032 --> 00:58:01,512
Month two was the path to pet wellness.

861
00:58:02,012 --> 00:58:08,712
So how do you do that without necessarily using only conventional holistic care?

862
00:58:09,272 --> 00:58:13,972
And month three was a month about OM.

863
00:58:14,772 --> 00:58:30,098
OM as in the universal sound OM But OM for us stands for One Health Medicine One Health Medicine is the paradigm that connects us all together with what we talking about

864
00:58:30,798 --> 00:58:35,918
Same way that every indigenous group around the world for thousands

865
00:58:35,918 --> 00:58:37,978
of years have lived.

866
00:58:40,178 --> 00:58:45,718
I study with the need of American grandma. We talk about this stuff all the time.

867
00:58:45,718 --> 00:58:50,518
because we are so like-minded.

868
00:58:50,798 --> 00:58:52,218
And when I bring up the fact that

869
00:58:52,218 --> 00:58:54,758
we're talking about mitochondrial metabolism

870
00:58:54,758 --> 00:58:56,038
and molecular metabolism,

871
00:58:56,038 --> 00:59:00,178
the creator said the creator is amazing.

872
00:59:00,418 --> 00:59:01,978
And that's the bottom line is

873
00:59:01,978 --> 00:59:06,718
that the creator has instilled this vital force in us

874
00:59:06,718 --> 00:59:09,778
that allows us to be alive.

875
00:59:10,458 --> 00:59:13,798
And that no doctor in the world except for that one

876
00:59:13,798 --> 00:59:17,898
could reproduce a living being and keep us alive.

877
00:59:18,958 --> 00:59:24,078
Because our vital force, our life force, our energetic selves,

878
00:59:24,418 --> 00:59:26,638
that's what allows us to be alive.

879
00:59:27,578 --> 00:59:33,018
And this is in the woo-woo world in a lot of places,

880
00:59:33,018 --> 00:59:37,018
but I'm going to bring it back to a quantum physicist,

881
00:59:37,478 --> 00:59:40,098
Nobel Prize winner named Schrodinger,

882
00:59:40,238 --> 00:59:43,338
who wrote a book called What is Life?

883
00:59:43,798 --> 00:59:45,978
in 1944.

884
00:59:47,358 --> 00:59:50,778
And granted, he was a physicist, not a biologist,

885
00:59:51,118 --> 00:59:53,718
but darn, he nailed it, Dix,

886
00:59:53,798 --> 00:59:56,498
for that one thing that we're calling the vital force

887
00:59:56,498 --> 00:59:59,818
that we can now call the consciousness paradigm.

888
01:00:00,018 --> 01:00:01,498
He calls it negative entropy.

889
01:00:02,838 --> 01:00:05,238
So entropy is that physical law

890
01:00:05,238 --> 01:00:10,078
that we're basically designed to die,

891
01:00:10,078 --> 01:00:16,038
that we're designed right away to become part of the infrastructure.

892
01:00:16,038 --> 01:00:21,018
We're essentially breaking down from the moment we're born, right?

893
01:00:21,178 --> 01:00:27,738
And if I encapsulate the concept of it, that's kind of the idea behind it.

894
01:00:28,758 --> 01:00:31,758
So that is wonderful. Yeah, that is neat.

895
01:00:31,758 --> 01:00:42,138
And so you have some study in molecular biology, right?

896
01:00:42,758 --> 01:00:43,438
I do.

897
01:00:43,638 --> 01:00:45,038
That was my initial.

898
01:00:45,518 --> 01:00:51,758
If you remember from the beginning, I mentioned my childhood was maybe not the best, and I was in the lab.

899
01:00:52,318 --> 01:00:56,258
I decided I wanted to be in the laboratory, not among people.

900
01:00:56,258 --> 01:01:01,258
So when I say my childhood, I'm referring to my interactions with other kids.

901
01:01:02,178 --> 01:01:08,138
And I was always a little bit more with the animals than with people.

902
01:01:08,898 --> 01:01:17,258
So that drove me to molecular biology because I could become a molecular biologist and still be a veterinarian.

903
01:01:17,258 --> 01:01:18,738
So that's what I did.

904
01:01:18,738 --> 01:01:31,098
My first couple of years I spent in the lab working in molecular biology when molecular biology was first beginning to get discovered.

905
01:01:32,198 --> 01:01:36,938
In fact, the lab that I worked in was a medical school's biochemistry lab.

906
01:01:37,138 --> 01:01:40,418
And what I worked on was individuality.

907
01:01:41,158 --> 01:01:45,158
But it was individuality on a cellular basis.

908
01:01:45,158 --> 01:01:49,858
So what allows cells, individual cells, to be unique?

909
01:01:50,878 --> 01:02:02,158
And what we discovered and what was known and what we elucidated further was that there are little toll booths on the surface of every cell.

910
01:02:02,298 --> 01:02:04,698
And they're called toll-like receptors.

911
01:02:05,878 --> 01:02:09,798
And they sense everything going on in the environment.

912
01:02:09,798 --> 01:02:14,858
and they help determine what you bring into the cell,

913
01:02:14,998 --> 01:02:17,758
what nurtures you and what may harm you.

914
01:02:18,478 --> 01:02:21,378
Keep out what harms you and bring in what nurtures you.

915
01:02:22,758 --> 01:02:26,218
So yeah, I guess my molecular biology career

916
01:02:26,218 --> 01:02:31,338
went from the cellular level to the whole organism level.

917
01:02:32,778 --> 01:02:37,718
Yeah, actually, that discussion just brought back

918
01:02:37,718 --> 01:02:41,998
some old information from my college days

919
01:02:41,998 --> 01:02:43,798
on cell receptor site theory.

920
01:02:44,518 --> 01:02:46,158
And it was, I mean, mind-blowing.

921
01:02:46,378 --> 01:02:47,458
Amazing stuff.

922
01:02:47,598 --> 01:02:49,058
Really, really amazing.

923
01:02:49,218 --> 01:02:51,698
Also very complex.

924
01:02:52,238 --> 01:02:53,218
Extremely complex.

925
01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:56,618
It certainly is.

926
01:02:56,678 --> 01:02:59,918
And I am so, so impressed that you have that kind of background

927
01:02:59,918 --> 01:03:03,978
because most bio background nowadays

928
01:03:03,978 --> 01:03:06,218
or regular general science backgrounds

929
01:03:06,218 --> 01:03:08,058
Don't include that.

930
01:03:08,478 --> 01:03:11,118
So, bravo to your school system.

931
01:03:12,098 --> 01:03:14,018
I was lucky to be at UCI.

932
01:03:15,618 --> 01:03:19,698
It sounds like you're very knowledgeable in cellular biology.

933
01:03:19,898 --> 01:03:21,998
And I heard you mention mitochondria.

934
01:03:22,118 --> 01:03:24,438
Do you have any experience with red light therapy?

935
01:03:24,698 --> 01:03:27,238
Is that something you've done anything with?

936
01:03:27,238 --> 01:03:28,078
I do.

937
01:03:28,938 --> 01:03:36,058
And I actually just got a red light therapy mat for my kitty cat yesterday.

938
01:03:36,218 --> 01:03:38,858
It just arrived yesterday, so good timing.

939
01:03:39,078 --> 01:03:41,958
Nice, because that's something I'm experimenting with myself.

940
01:03:42,498 --> 01:03:46,098
And then I thought maybe perhaps, we haven't talked about this before,

941
01:03:46,178 --> 01:03:48,318
but I thought maybe perhaps you might be familiar with it.

942
01:03:48,678 --> 01:03:49,798
And it seems you are.

943
01:03:50,598 --> 01:03:55,538
And it seems to have a positive benefit to animals as well?

944
01:03:56,118 --> 01:03:57,158
I don't know.

945
01:03:58,018 --> 01:04:00,118
Very, very, very much so.

946
01:04:00,118 --> 01:04:02,598
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

947
01:04:02,598 --> 01:04:11,598
In fact, there's a lot of companies out there now that are directing their marketing to the animal,

948
01:04:11,838 --> 01:04:17,358
you know, to the pet parent community and pads, blankets and whatnot.

949
01:04:17,918 --> 01:04:21,238
They're custom made for cats, dogs, horses.

950
01:04:21,538 --> 01:04:26,598
You know, they're blankets that cover horses and help them heal themselves.

951
01:04:26,598 --> 01:04:32,678
themselves because really what we're talking about is just one thing and that is the self-healing

952
01:04:32,678 --> 01:04:44,844
paradigm that we able to via energy whether it the energy from mitochondria whether it the energy from red light therapy whether it the energy from a sunbeam

953
01:04:45,644 --> 01:04:48,424
our bodies are able to heal themselves.

954
01:04:51,004 --> 01:04:53,324
I'm glad you can give me a little confirmation on that

955
01:04:53,324 --> 01:04:55,744
because I kind of felt like a little, you know,

956
01:04:56,004 --> 01:04:59,024
I don't know if this stuff's working, but it was worth a shot.

957
01:04:59,024 --> 01:05:00,204
I figured, you know, why not?

958
01:05:00,204 --> 01:05:06,384
But it does make me feel better to know that an actual professional has a good opinion of it.

959
01:05:06,664 --> 01:05:14,844
And I will add a proviso that every product out there, just like every supplement, is not created equal.

960
01:05:15,824 --> 01:05:28,024
So, yeah, so caveat emptor, you need to look at what the wavelengths are and what are these indigenous light lights or are they helping my body absorb and thread me?

961
01:05:28,024 --> 01:05:29,664
What's going on yet?

962
01:05:30,204 --> 01:05:31,584
very true

963
01:05:31,584 --> 01:05:34,344
and the company that you bought from

964
01:05:34,344 --> 01:05:35,504
would hopefully help

965
01:05:35,504 --> 01:05:36,744
do that

966
01:05:36,744 --> 01:05:37,624
they did

967
01:05:37,624 --> 01:05:40,564
they actually did a consultation with me

968
01:05:40,564 --> 01:05:41,224
gave me a call

969
01:05:41,224 --> 01:05:43,904
and we went over all the stuff with it

970
01:05:43,904 --> 01:05:44,944
awesome

971
01:05:44,944 --> 01:05:46,664
pretty supportive

972
01:05:46,664 --> 01:05:49,124
and I did a lot of research on the wavelengths

973
01:05:49,124 --> 01:05:51,624
and how many joules

974
01:05:51,624 --> 01:05:53,884
and all that stuff before I bought it

975
01:05:53,884 --> 01:05:54,864
but you're right though

976
01:05:54,864 --> 01:05:57,484
you can't just go on Amazon and buy the first one you see

977
01:05:57,484 --> 01:05:58,324
for the lowest price

978
01:05:58,324 --> 01:06:03,004
because it's probably not going to be as effective as you would hope it would be.

979
01:06:03,784 --> 01:06:05,204
And kudos to you.

980
01:06:05,324 --> 01:06:09,504
And I've got to ask you, why did you go outside the medical box

981
01:06:09,504 --> 01:06:11,504
to investigate the red light therapy?

982
01:06:13,284 --> 01:06:15,964
Honestly, for my psoriasis.

983
01:06:16,304 --> 01:06:18,884
So I ended up buying a red-blue light.

984
01:06:19,564 --> 01:06:23,184
And even though it said that there was no real medical evidence that it worked,

985
01:06:23,604 --> 01:06:26,744
they said that that was the best chance of it working.

986
01:06:26,744 --> 01:06:29,424
and some joint pain along with that.

987
01:06:30,764 --> 01:06:32,564
And I apologize.

988
01:06:32,924 --> 01:06:36,184
I didn't mean to ask medical time questions.

989
01:06:36,444 --> 01:06:37,724
But what I'm trying to figure out,

990
01:06:37,764 --> 01:06:39,464
and the reason I asked the question is that

991
01:06:39,464 --> 01:06:45,264
I'm still trying to figure out why people that are in space

992
01:06:45,264 --> 01:06:47,704
that we're in, that we're talking about right now,

993
01:06:48,844 --> 01:06:52,764
why they would choose to use a steroid for the psoriasis

994
01:06:52,764 --> 01:06:55,124
instead of going to red light therapy

995
01:06:55,124 --> 01:06:59,504
or sitting in the infrared sauna, which has been research-proof

996
01:06:59,504 --> 01:07:04,364
and helps psoriasis more than a lot of the drugs.

997
01:07:05,524 --> 01:07:10,124
The question is, is it fear, do you think?

998
01:07:11,224 --> 01:07:16,004
For me personally, I'm not into the pharmaceuticals at all.

999
01:07:16,424 --> 01:07:18,304
I don't take medications.

1000
01:07:19,444 --> 01:07:23,164
I mean, unless I'm dying and they have me strapped to a gurney,

1001
01:07:23,164 --> 01:07:24,644
I'm probably not going to take them.

1002
01:07:25,124 --> 01:07:33,364
So I was looking, you know, I've done a lot of change personally with my diet and that has improved things tremendously.

1003
01:07:34,264 --> 01:07:38,664
I guess I still technically am diabetic.

1004
01:07:38,804 --> 01:07:41,044
My A1C was over 11 at one point.

1005
01:07:41,464 --> 01:07:44,464
Now it's 5.2, diet only, no medication.

1006
01:07:45,284 --> 01:07:51,444
And I've lost about 120 pounds and my psoriasis itself has improved dramatically.

1007
01:07:51,444 --> 01:07:56,104
And I was looking for just that little extra to push me over the thing.

1008
01:07:56,204 --> 01:08:04,224
And I don't even bother going to a dermatologist because every time I'd gone there, they want to put me on some kind of biologic and I'm just not interested at all.

1009
01:08:05,684 --> 01:08:08,684
That brings us back to standard of care.

1010
01:08:09,664 --> 01:08:20,584
So any doctor, whether dermatologist or veterinarian or anyone, we can only pass on and do what we know how to do.

1011
01:08:20,584 --> 01:08:23,884
We just have a limited toolkit.

1012
01:08:24,804 --> 01:08:34,464
But the beauty is that we have the Home Depot of tools that we can reach for,

1013
01:08:34,464 --> 01:08:40,944
that our doctors, our veterinarians aren't necessarily reaching for the red light therapy

1014
01:08:40,944 --> 01:08:49,044
or the colloidal silver or the aloe vera or the other thousands of healing things

1015
01:08:49,044 --> 01:08:51,084
that our grandmas all knew about.

1016
01:08:52,464 --> 01:08:52,484
Right?

1017
01:08:52,644 --> 01:08:57,384
Yeah, and there's, I mean, there was, you know,

1018
01:08:57,964 --> 01:09:01,184
it was 40s or something like this,

1019
01:09:01,264 --> 01:09:05,284
but, you know, the Western medicine has done a lot

1020
01:09:05,284 --> 01:09:11,344
to push out and to make woo-woo out of, you know,

1021
01:09:11,824 --> 01:09:16,044
traditional medicines, naturopathy, homeopathy,

1022
01:09:16,044 --> 01:09:18,144
you know, holistic-type medicines.

1023
01:09:18,144 --> 01:09:23,604
and and one of the things that I think you know a lot of people put a lot of

1024
01:09:23,604 --> 01:09:28,644
faith in these doctors and I don't think that's a bad thing right but I think

1025
01:09:28,644 --> 01:09:34,284
that you need to be aware that you need to advocate for yourself and you do need

1026
01:09:34,284 --> 01:09:39,684
to and and I don't mean go you have to do your own research you just have to

1027
01:09:39,684 --> 01:09:45,684
right and realize the medical community at large operates on kind of this 95%

1028
01:09:45,684 --> 01:09:51,764
percent principle. If you've got X, Y, and Z symptoms, this fixes those symptoms. You are

1029
01:09:51,764 --> 01:09:57,584
gone. So we don't really worry about the 5%. That'll be like, if you come back, maybe we'll

1030
01:09:57,584 --> 01:10:02,924
try another thing. And if it's still not working, maybe you get a, you know, a specialist, right?

1031
01:10:03,224 --> 01:10:11,824
But one of the things that I wanted to know is does, uh, so, you know, uh, a lot of people carry

1032
01:10:11,824 --> 01:10:15,144
like pet insurance, like VPI or something like that, right?

1033
01:10:15,404 --> 01:10:20,224
Do they have the same stance on natural remedies

1034
01:10:20,224 --> 01:10:22,364
as the medical community does,

1035
01:10:22,404 --> 01:10:24,464
or are they more open to it?

1036
01:10:26,524 --> 01:10:29,964
They're open to whatever works and saves them money.

1037
01:10:31,264 --> 01:10:31,864
Okay.

1038
01:10:32,524 --> 01:10:33,544
Quick story.

1039
01:10:34,584 --> 01:10:36,504
You know that the EMA,

1040
01:10:36,644 --> 01:10:38,444
one of the reasons the EMA started

1041
01:10:38,444 --> 01:10:45,684
was because all the best MDs were becoming homeopaths before scientific medicine.

1042
01:10:46,544 --> 01:10:48,124
Well, they may outlaw that.

1043
01:10:48,244 --> 01:11:02,210
They made it where the homeopaths couldn even start with the MDs But around that time insurance companies used to give a discount to people that had policies that their main doctor was a homeopath

1044
01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:07,230
Because they knew that they would end up saving money

1045
01:11:07,230 --> 01:11:08,110
in the long run.

1046
01:11:10,930 --> 01:11:13,270
I've not yet run across

1047
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:16,890
by an insurance company

1048
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:21,110
that won't cover homeopathy, a chiropractor

1049
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:23,810
or acupuncture and affect more and more.

1050
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:25,990
Now we're covering even our membership,

1051
01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:31,370
which is just informing and educating people

1052
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:33,330
about what their options are.

1053
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:36,410
I think that's wonderful.

1054
01:11:36,690 --> 01:11:38,890
I would love to see more of that.

1055
01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:41,090
Okay.

1056
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:43,670
Got a question for you.

1057
01:11:44,170 --> 01:11:46,790
Other than the Rottweiler, because we know that's the best dog,

1058
01:11:47,050 --> 01:11:48,390
what's your favorite dog breed?

1059
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:59,950
Gosh, you know, if you asked me that a couple years ago, I'd have to say standard poodles because that was a standard poodle.

1060
01:12:00,170 --> 01:12:02,390
I'm allergic to dogs and cats.

1061
01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:04,070
Oh, wow.

1062
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:04,490
Okay.

1063
01:12:05,210 --> 01:12:07,070
Yeah, and that's another story.

1064
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:19,570
I know we may be running low on time, so back then I said standard poodles, but now I would have to say,

1065
01:12:19,570 --> 01:12:23,250
Heinz 57s

1066
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:26,690
rescue dogs.

1067
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:28,190
Yeah, the benshee dogs.

1068
01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:29,130
Exactly.

1069
01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:30,710
Probably the healthiest, right?

1070
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:33,530
They suffer from what we call

1071
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:34,650
hybrid vigor.

1072
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:37,270
Hybrid vigor is a

1073
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:39,330
geneticist term that says

1074
01:12:39,330 --> 01:12:41,110
the more we mix up the genes,

1075
01:12:41,230 --> 01:12:42,670
the more vigorous we are.

1076
01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:45,270
The more we concentrate the genes

1077
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:47,630
like in the royal families in the past,

1078
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:49,410
the more we're going to see

1079
01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:51,590
hemophilia is the more we're going to see

1080
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:53,610
those fetal genetic flaws

1081
01:12:53,610 --> 01:12:55,710
that Havoc mentioned earlier.

1082
01:12:56,670 --> 01:12:57,270
So yeah,

1083
01:12:57,610 --> 01:12:59,410
hybrid figure is the way to go.

1084
01:13:01,130 --> 01:13:01,690
Think

1085
01:13:01,690 --> 01:13:03,650
about your next dog as a dingo

1086
01:13:03,650 --> 01:13:05,670
dog. You want a dingo?

1087
01:13:06,750 --> 01:13:07,810
Or a wolf?

1088
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:09,990
Or a buddy

1089
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:10,910
can't eat your baby?

1090
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:13,510
We've got a dingo dog.

1091
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:15,610
She looks like a dingo

1092
01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:17,410
and she

1093
01:13:17,410 --> 01:13:19,370
would behave like one if we allowed

1094
01:13:19,370 --> 01:13:27,570
her to be her true self. And that goes back to the dog that tried to eat somebody through the window.

1095
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:37,650
That's awesome. All right. We have one question that we typically ask our guests. And what this

1096
01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:44,710
is, is throughout our lives, there is a person, a historical figure, maybe a sixth grade science

1097
01:13:44,710 --> 01:13:49,150
teacher that had a profound impact on our lives.

1098
01:13:49,150 --> 01:13:54,330
And we like to give our guests an opportunity to shout that person out for being influential to them.

1099
01:13:56,110 --> 01:13:58,670
I don't know that either one is full.

1100
01:13:58,930 --> 01:14:00,070
There are two, actually.

1101
01:14:01,010 --> 01:14:03,710
One two-legged and one four-legged.

1102
01:14:04,610 --> 01:14:10,670
The two-legged one happens to have been my fifth grade science teacher, Mr. Callahan.

1103
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:13,050
Wonderful.

1104
01:14:13,050 --> 01:14:17,330
and I actually tried to reach him years ago

1105
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:21,990
and the other is my dog, ex-dog Archie

1106
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:25,670
who inspired the Path to Pet Wellness book

1107
01:14:25,670 --> 01:14:30,550
and who's still with me and here with me

1108
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:32,930
and brought me my new rescue

1109
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:36,150
who's here to teach me the lessons

1110
01:14:36,150 --> 01:14:38,490
that Archie started teaching me

1111
01:14:38,490 --> 01:14:42,430
in 79 years ago now.

1112
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:45,070
that is amazing

1113
01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:46,410
that is amazing

1114
01:14:46,410 --> 01:14:47,290
well

1115
01:14:47,290 --> 01:14:49,950
what do you have going on?

1116
01:14:50,030 --> 01:14:50,990
what are you working on?

1117
01:14:51,330 --> 01:14:52,830
where can people find you?

1118
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:54,190
where can they find your book?

1119
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:55,130
is there a better place to buy it?

1120
01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:55,990
yeah where can we get that book?

1121
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:59,090
the book is available at Amazon

1122
01:14:59,090 --> 01:15:00,010
Barnes and Noble

1123
01:15:00,010 --> 01:15:01,750
wherever you buy your books

1124
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:03,590
patronized

1125
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:05,610
try to go to your local

1126
01:15:05,610 --> 01:15:07,330
bookstore

1127
01:15:07,330 --> 01:15:10,970
versus buying it at Amazon

1128
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:12,790
but you can read a lot

1129
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:14,310
Can you hold it up for us one more time?

1130
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:19,010
Sure, and you can read a significant portion of it,

1131
01:15:19,090 --> 01:15:23,650
especially just reading the one page forward to the book,

1132
01:15:24,230 --> 01:15:28,210
because that one page really encapsulates

1133
01:15:28,210 --> 01:15:35,370
the essence of what we're trying to talk about.

1134
01:15:35,370 --> 01:15:42,210
And they can find me at holisticactions.com.

1135
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:48,510
And I recommend to everyone to take the free 101 class.

1136
01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:50,450
It can't be the price.

1137
01:15:50,590 --> 01:15:53,230
It's free, but it will get you at least, Darnie,

1138
01:15:53,310 --> 01:15:59,130
to think in terms of helping our animals to have the best life possible.

1139
01:16:00,770 --> 01:16:02,710
That's something I'm definitely going to do then.

1140
01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:03,850
Absolutely.

1141
01:16:03,850 --> 01:16:04,690
I'll check out your book too.

1142
01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:06,090
That is wonderful.

1143
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:09,270
Well, thank you so much for joining us.

1144
01:16:09,390 --> 01:16:11,290
Thank you for giving us some of your time.

1145
01:16:11,290 --> 01:16:12,730
We really appreciate it.

1146
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:17,390
Um, and we appreciate you giving us some of your time as well.

1147
01:16:18,150 --> 01:16:22,990
You know where to find us, wherever, where podcasts can be found as well as YouTube and

1148
01:16:22,990 --> 01:16:24,150
all the other stuff.

1149
01:16:24,270 --> 01:16:25,830
So go check us out.

1150
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:28,030
Give us a like, give us a thumbs down.

1151
01:16:28,110 --> 01:16:32,330
If you didn't like it, leave a comment, whatever.

1152
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:35,470
If you've got an idea for a topic or a guest, throw that in a comment.

1153
01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:36,510
We will look into it.

1154
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:38,270
We'll reply to every single comment we get.

1155
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:46,170
And remember, wherever you are, whenever you're watching this, have an amazing day.

1156
01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:48,150
Thanks for coming by, Jeff.

1157
01:16:48,230 --> 01:16:48,750
See you, everybody.

1158
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:49,330
Thank you, guys.

1159
01:16:49,450 --> 01:16:50,210
Great to meet you.

1160
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:10,270
.