Frozen Fiascos to Horsey Shenanigans and Guest Gabs  with LX & Havok S2-EP10

0:00 all right everybody welcome back to another episode of the space tomatoes podcast with your favorite hosts on the internet you know you love us so here we are it's this guy and that guy right i'm that guy i'm this guy this guy hi nice to see you welcome back or for the first time whatever it's been a while since we've done one of these man we've been on a whirlwind trip of uh podcast guesting uh which has been really awesome i think anyway indeed lots of different people from all kinds of different careers or whatever you want to call it walks of life field fields of expertise walks of life that's even better fields of expertise yes right right so So we kind of kicked this off with Andrew Lewin, a marine biologist, and that was a pretty cool show.

1:20 And then that day, I think we did three, three sessions, which it doesn't sound like a lot if you don't do this. It's it's a lot. Right. Doing three recording sessions in a single day, each of them being an hour plus is it's taxing. It seems like, oh, you're just talking. It's fine. It's taxing. It wasn't that bad. Probably the after stuff is a lot harder than just doing it. I feel bad for that, yeah. Yeah, that guy.

2:01 That guy. Yeah, that editor guy in that back room. He never gets a break. Right. He never gets a raise. You just flog him. He never gets any consideration at all. oh we got another sub so that's cool nice yeah yeah that's always good news thanks for that i appreciate that thank you yeah whoever you are thank you we appreciate you more than we could say yeah it's really awesome having you here and we hope you enjoy the show we hope you tune into maybe some of their past episodes but don't go too far back it's really bad it's fun it's funny but it's it's just it's not it's not as good so but hey another sub we're cranking out guest interviews this is fun um you know we we i will say this though um you know we're interested in in viewing you know talking to a lot of you know people right i think we're pretty much open to talking to most people as long as it isn't like some shock jock like let me rile i don't want the rage bait crud right um that being said we may end up with some of that maybe we will do i think we will do our very level best to keep things uh in a in a neutral area right is that it's a good way of saying that i think i would hope so certainly

3:34 Yeah, yeah. Passive, neutral kind of a style and hear what people have to say. We will offer counters. We'll ask questions. We'll try and dive deep. And if we can, we'll find people in the instances where we do have people come on the show like this. we will try and find people that have a counter to whatever is going on. Right. Not to have a debate, but rather to show that there are varying opinions on things, varying ideas and data comes from all sorts of sources. So, you know, Hey, if you don't like it, just don't tune in for the episode.

4:19 You know, if you do like it, great. and if we've always said this right every single episode if you have ideas we have guests you like to see on the show give us give us a comment throw it in there we'll see what we can do i i you know can't promise we can work miracles right but we will try i mean the worst thing they could say is no so that's true no i i i totally agree with you everybody's allowed to their own opinion yeah yeah and exploring ideas is is interesting i think it's fun it's it's pretty cool oh and then also like our our most recent upload right great guy uh the author of the it dictionary his nom de plume or pen name is uh adam corga great guy interesting person to talk to um you know we're gonna have people on here that english may not be their primary language and if that's difficult for you to listen to again you know hey skip that episode give it a shot i think it's interesting he was pretty pretty funny he is pretty funny yep we get we have uh we have a whole schedule of different people so if you didn't like whoever the current one is or the last one you you might like the next one because they're all pretty different.

5:46 I don't know what boxes you checked in and looking for people, but I think you might've checked them all pretty much. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Again, it's about interesting ideas. It's about, you know, interesting people, things of that nature. I just, you know, Hey, I'm open to a free and open exchange of ideas. That's what it comes down to. If it's just not right for the show, then that's something, you know, LX and I, we talk back and forth and we've had, you know, we've had these discussions. So, you know. No, we've had the discussions.

6:30 So anyway, I think we're good for that. I mean, I think the audience is understanding on those kind of subjects. I think so. Yeah. I think so. Then you have just the ones with you and I, which how can you go wrong with that? Because our lives are so interesting and all that stuff. Maybe to someone, I guess. It seems like regular day stuff to me. Pretty much. But hey, you know, we enjoy it. We do what we like. We have fun. And isn't that the key to life? Like a happy life? Just have some fun. You know? so you and i were talking about the other day uh you sent me some pictures of your pool with the iceberg floating in it contemplating taking the taking the plunge man that would be i mean it was you know it's iced over right so not not completely right um well at one point it was all all but except and it's a it's an above ground pool um and it's a 30 foot round above this is a big pool and there was all but like a tiny little sliver that was not that was iced what i showed you was what two days later and there's still a a nice float out there about you know probably about the size of two humans laying next to each other right it was pretty

8:01 pretty big still i think you could have done it i'm pretty sure i'd shoot out of that thing like a bottle rocket i would like to have seen it at least i'm sure you would and i made the offer hey next november during alpaca come on up we'll ice that thing down oh i have to do it too oh yes you're the one that called me a chicken for not wanting to do it but it's so much easier to call somebody out when you're 500 miles away and don't have any chance of actually having to get pushed into doing that yourself. This is true. I'll concede to that.

8:43 What's the worst that happens? You get cold and you come back in, you warm up, right? You're not going to die, probably. Maybe. Most likely. as long as your cardiovascular system is in decent health I think you'll be okay I don't know you see them Russians and the Swedish guys doing that stuff all the time oh yeah they seem to enjoy it for some reason I mean it's supposed to have a lot of really good properties to it you know it's supposed to really and I don't know all of that right I should I should dig into this. I mean, it's not like I can't go do something like that. Well, I mean, you got those athletes jumping in the tubs of ice and stuff, right?

9:26 And they're paying big money to do that stuff. Or they have those, what, CO2 cryo chamber things? Like you stick it up to your neck and I don't know how that works. I haven't done that. I've heard of it. Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff. You know, like you were talking about, they have like full red light saunas. I didn't know about that That's interesting Yeah they got that at like What is it that gym that's everywhere Like Planet Fitness they got one there Oh really? Yeah That might be worth a membership I think I can get one for free For my insurance There you go Stop by, jump in Get your red light on, full body You don't have to go out And deal with people and all that stuff.

10:18 Yeah, isn't Planet Fitness one of the ones that stays open 24-7, though? I have no idea. Yeah, I'm not positive. I know a lot of them do. So you can always just, like, wake up before your normal time. Like, instead of waking up at 4 a.m., wake up at, you know, 3.30. I'm on chicken time, man. Sun up, sun down. Same as them. I go to, I roost, I go to home to roost at night, right about 630 when the sun goes down. Yeah. You know, what's interesting about that is, you know, for the last, well, I guess over a year now, um, I rarely ever wake up to an alarm.

10:59 You just leave the blinds open and I wake up and I, you know what, when I do have to wake up alarm like i have to get out of the house for work or whatever i feel like absolute crap when i wake up and like that's that's like a third cup of coffee day because i am dragging ass all day but when i don't i wake up and i'm ready to go which is interesting it's that circadian rhythm rhythm you know it's you gotta stay away from that uh the screen blue light at night looking that that messes your stuff up too yeah i'm i'm pretty much off screen uh for the majority of my evenings they do have like um blue blocking glasses that you can wear they're like have a yellow lens on them that's supposed to help i don't know i i think the blue light is only a portion of the problem there well i agree i mean you know you're talking about rage bait doom scrolling cesspool of garbage and that's what you're putting into your brain right before bedtime well that's true you know yeah so i'm sure the blue light isn't helpful but you know i don't think the solution is to get special glasses so you can look at your phone more i put the damn thing down just just set it down or better yet i have an even better solution you don't

12:32 how do you stay off your phone more often don't even have a phone that's even better yeah but that's kind of blown because you have a tablet yeah and people aren't exactly using the phone service when they're doing that they're using you can lock it in a faraday box that has a time release on it or something there you go yeah you know they have a time delay safe they have like all this usage stuff and you know this is something i've talked to other individuals about let's just go look at the usage let's just take a quick gander oh let's not the default reaction is absolutely not. I don't want to see that. Why? It might be problematic. Yeah. So yeah, put your phone down. Just put it down. All that garbage will be there tomorrow. I promise you, it's not going anywhere. You're not going to miss out on the latest thing. It'll be there tomorrow.

13:37 You can still get the latest thing tomorrow. Although it'll be aged and everyone else will know about it already so oh no but i mean honestly it's all gonna be there tomorrow and refreshed so you get like that like if you're i swear i have had times where i reached the end of the internet i've been there yeah years ago but still you know it's like all of a sudden it's just all the same stuff and you're like i'm just seeing the reposts of everything on the internet that i've already seen and i you know with some exceptions find the commentary uh unnecessary like i don't need to hear 5 000 people's opinion on something that just got posted and then reposted 5 000 times with a different opinion or the same opinion on each of those posts it's the same post sometimes i wonder why anybody would even want to hear our opinion I don't know. I don't get the whole podcast thing anyway, but I appreciate everybody that does. I don't know. Thanks.

14:46 I think it's, I think it's more about just tuning into something that's for me, tuning into something that's somewhat relaxing. You're going to do something you can hear, uh, like a conversation on a topic or, or, you know, a person that you might have interest in. And that's, that to me is like a way to, when I'm doing things that require me to be doing the same thing for four, five, six hours. yeah i'll put i'll put podcast in and just sit there and roll through podcasts that are interesting to me um you know how do you go about finding ones that you think you might enjoy you know i actually uh just kind of like scroll through different stuff um after we started doing this i i've i've gotten you know i'm i wouldn't say we're we're in touch with or or we are you know, engaged or friends with any other, you know, podcasters per se.

15:48 But, you know, we've gotten to, I've gotten to kind of interact with a number of podcasters, you know, and, and so that's another way, right? Word of mouth. You know, people send me a podcast. Hey dude, you should check this out. You know, it's pretty interesting. Okay. So I check it out. If it's interesting to me, for me, it's more the cadence and the, and the style. The thing I can't really do is the shock jock crap. I don't want to hear someone screaming about whatever the BS crap of, you know, the moment is, you know, and I don't want to hear two people screaming at each other or a panel of people screaming at each other.

16:30 But I'm more than happy to tune into a panel of people that are discussing things. And that's that free and open exchange of ideas. Like as soon as it goes to shutting someone else down and not wanting to listen to, you know, it becomes like a fight, I guess, right? A verbal altercation, if you will. It's disinteresting to me. I don't need to hear how you can insult someone and they can insult you and, you know, all that stuff. Just, you know, espouse your ideas and be ready to defend them. Yeah, I don't know why somebody would want to do that. exactly but i guess it's for views for views and clicks and all those things it gets clicks especially you you know you get outrage from you know especially in the political world right you end up getting outrage from you know one side and then you get outrage because of the out you know what i mean so you're like double outrage baiting people and and uh yeah that's the stuff i'm i'm we that won't be us it won't be me i'm not doing it what if i want to do that stuff you've got a mic okay i have no i have no interest in that whatsoever yeah it's it's just not that there's enough of that out there there's literally thousands upon thousands probably tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of podcasts you can go fill your rage meter all day long just

18:03 if that's your gig, Hey, there you are. You know, now we will talk about topics and we may have some of our own opinions, which may lead to a, you know, a havoc rant or something. Um, but again, I'm not trying to, you know, in general, I'm not trying to bash another person and I'm not trying to bash an idea so much as i'm trying to express my own opinions and where i think there are you know logical fallacies uh or or other areas of concern for me right so yeah so how about the name thing that is is it i guess podcasts are kind of like books where you really can't judge a book by its cover because like even going by our our name i don't know that i would even click on it i'd be like maybe i mean maybe it sounds interesting i don't know i'm sure there's a bunch of things out there that people don't click on oh i'm sure right and this was a discussion that came up with a group of podcasters actually uh and you know one of the things was the name right here's the thing about our name it is unique it is different um and it may not be click worthy because you may not be able to tell what is going on right but if you bother to read like the first paragraph you know the first sentence or two of our description you kind of

19:36 get an idea like this is pre-open it's not a niche we're not we're not pigeonholed into you know we're only going to talk about this or we're only going to talk about that we are literally open to you know just discussing ideas so you know it can be helpful it can be hurtful i don't know you know i think at this point uh changing it would be detrimental and and i don't know what the heck we would call it right no i i totally agree with you yeah i mean it it's i mean the same as if it was the havoc and lx show like who who would click on that like what does that tell you it tells you absolutely nothing yeah and so it's kind of a fun and quirky weird name you know space tomatoes okay i like it a lot i i i'm i'm pretty happy with it it's it's just our gig man it's our gig so um we both kind of survived the uh the wintry uh hit of the arctic coming down on us like you hit got it really bad you guys have like tons of snow and ice and what they call snowmageddon or something or ice mageddon or yeah we had ice mageddon and then snowmageddon um yeah so the ice was the the ice was the one that was more worrisome Um, ice is, is, you know, a lot heavier than snow, like a lot heavier.

21:13 And, uh, so our, you know, power lines are all above ground and, you know, trees, we, we live in an area where there are massive trees, you know, branches the size of normal trees, right? And so it just takes one branch to snap off and hit a power line. that's already laden with, you know, even like a quarter inch of ice is, you know, that's it. That power line is coming down. So power outages. And then of course there's the, you know, the travel factor. Ice, ice makes everything very, very difficult. You know, even you look, you look in areas and, you know, people will say, oh, well, if you're used to it now, ice is, you don't get used to ice. You either, you know, equip your vehicle and yourself with stuff to counter ice or you're you have no traction sorry there's no you know there's no two ways about that you can't just be good at driving on ice it doesn't how about walking i i would imagine it would make even walking like out to the barn more treacherous than uh normal i i ate absolute crap on the way out of our door hit our yard and there was an area that looked it looked like it was clear looked like i was good i took a step and whoop i did the scooby-doo you okay did you break a hip yeah well i you know hurt my my my hip and lower back a little bit oh you did yeah

22:50 bing banged my elbow and my wrist up too you like a bruise or anything or you know i don't really bruise all right you know if i bruise it's really really bad like when i broke my collarbone and five ribs i had some minor yellowing of the skin okay most people would have been black and blue blue i you know i don't know the science behind why that is but i i don't bruise easily i know when you get older uh not saying you're old but we're both getting older i know the ground gets a it harder for some reason i'm not sure how that works what do you mean old what it's just a number man nice i'm not old i've leveled up i'm on level 56 man level 56 nice nice you know i i'm glad i didn't fall in the yard that would That would not be fun.

23:57 Yeah, the thing with it really just came down to smooth area versus non-smooth area. So, you know, we use a tractor. And so wherever the tractor goes, if it's moist, that one was for you, son. Moist. If it's moist. I'm going to work that one in a couple more times. If the ground happens to be moist. i bet like half of the people are like oh don't say that i don't i don't understand it doesn't bother me at all yeah i don't get it either but it's just a word if if there's you know if the ground is in that position then the tractor will leave uh very clear uh tire indentations right and the tractor tire has kind of a almost a paddle tread almost so if you're walking on that you've got like this ridge and indentation and ridge and you might get like two or three of those under your foot and that prevents the sliding because you're catching on the edges of the ridges etc so walking on that kind of ground was was really helpful and we happen to have a good amount of that kind of ground nice did you get to build a snowman or anything you know i tried i tried and tried and tried and i got i could what do you mean you tried either do it or you don't do it well i could get like a snowball this big to compact and i could press

25:31 it together and get it to be there but the second you started trying to roll it it would just lose snow as opposed to how does that work it was too dry there wasn't it was just i mean it was exceedingly dry dry snow we had static shock in the house everywhere just and outside just everything just pop pop pop pop pop pop it was so dry are you sure it was snow and not like like styrofoam or something like somebody sprinkled from an airplane it could be you don't you don't know i don't know i didn't try and melt it i've heard that's just weird i kidding i've never heard is that i mean i i have granted i have very little experience with snow but that just sounds odd to me there's there's you know snow you know will fall either dry or wet and i mean obviously there's a scale right it's not like oh it's either this or that um it can be drier or wetter right um and you kind of want something i i would think somewhere in the middle you don't want it to be too slushy right because then you're just making ice balls but you want it to have some moisture so it sticks together and as you roll the ball more of it wants to stick to it right um this stuff was just dry like you could pick it up in your hand and go like this and it would just powder off really so like you couldn't even make snowballs that like throw it somebody like your wife or anybody else you could get it to compress into a snowball but the second you throw it it would

27:02 just go it's really interesting yeah i mean you know so it would stick to our boots and stuff like yeah you know we had a couple of german wheat beers and i put a couple of those out in the snow and let them you know get cold out there um and it stuck to those but again the reason for that is the moisture you've got a warm liquid inside of glass container you put it in the snow the snow is going to melt around it and the snow that's above that is going to you know kind of take up less and less of that moisture so when you pull it out there's snow snuck stuck to the bottle right and the same with our boots right we're you know we're we're uh we're pushing out heat from our body and as you walk through the snow some snow will accumulate and probably some of that as moisture from the ground and and stuff like that but in just snow on snow contact it was useless i couldn't i couldn't get it to do any of that stuff those listeners in the northern states are like man you guys are just a bunch of whips you know but we're not used to snow man it's like unusual it is it was this was a once in 20 year event we got eight inches of snow wow that's minuscule to you know a lot of especially you know northerners right the yanks um they they get a lot more of this stuff they're used to it of course they they

28:32 drive better in it there's no question about it again snow not ice ice is just ice man they're just unless you've got cleats on your tires and you've got you know gear you've geared your car up for that those conditions which a lot of those people do so that's the big difference you know we're nobody here has cleated tires nobody it would make no sense to have an entire extra set of tires with ice cleats on them to for what like once every 20 years you might put them on they'd be dry rotted by the time you got to them you know and there's probably like about one snow plow or anything in the entire state i would i would imagine well they they don't yeah they they have we have plows right they'll put plows on trucks and and go oh they actually have them well sure but they're not purpose built right they're just generally purpose trucks with a plow on it and then we just use dump trucks for you know or water trucks or whatever they are for brine and and we use a lot of that but you know we we do not have the infrastructure to like it won't be cleared quickly number one um we do our best um but we don't have the infrastructure to get and plow all the streets right it's just not going to happen so and that's a good thing right you don't want to pay for a fleet of vehicles that sits there for 20 years having to be maintained and you know refreshed with with newer stuff or whatever the case is

30:09 in the event that you happen to get a snowstorm it just doesn't make any sense yeah they were even uh giving us a 40 50 chance of seeing the flurries here in central florida which was extremely unusual yeah but nothing happened here where we were i mean my wife was a little disappointed i think we went out a couple times in the middle of the night just to see but nothing but a couple places within a few miles like you know just stuff floating in the air no accumulation on the ground but still it's just still interesting isn't it weird i'm sorry and maybe this isn't a universal thing but for me like it's a weird thing like if snow is just awesome it's pretty it's beautiful it's fun there's something exciting about it like i see it falling out of the sky and i want to be in it i want to be looking at it i want to see it you know what i mean like rain comes i don't do that sleet nah hail maybe because i want to see kind of hail pinging off stuff but snow on the other hand i will literally stand there at the door and just watch snow even if it's not sticking on the ground just like oh snow no maybe that's just a universal thing like i've seen so many videos of dogs playing in the snow and i mean they're just having a great time like they're just loving life did did your animals do the same kind of thing were they enjoying going out there playing in it or uh the house dogs not as much okay um

31:43 the the lgds uh livestock guardian dogs they all yeah they they love that stuff like you think of those big thick coats and stuff i'm sure they're yeah loving it yeah the the pyrenees are you go out there and they're laying they're just like yeah they're like come on they're like no i'm happy i'm in my snow so what do horses think about that you gotta put the blankets on them and all that stuff no blanketed horse is a sick horse right in my opinion so here's the thing with blankets a lot of the times what you'll see is blankets are used and i'm not gonna poo-poo that If you feel you need to, you can't, you go for it. Right.

32:23 And then I will say this, if it gets too cold, yeah, probably a good idea to bring your horses into a barn instead of a blanket. Right. Um, but even a blanket, sure. Cause if you've got to get them out there and you know, muck stalls, you got to do whatever. Okay. Like super cold where we get, it doesn't really get that cold. And we, we aren't showing the horses or anything. So they grow their winter coats out. And I think blanketing to a large extent kind of prevents that from happening. You're keeping the horse warm and kind of changing that pattern. So a lot of show horses and stuff like that, they're going to be blanketed.

33:06 They're going to be kept in a little different state. Our horses, they're like, yeah, whatever. They don't like snow for one reason. Well, probably two. It will, it falls on their back. They are warm and it turns to kind of an ice sheet. They're not real happy about that. So they'll stand under the run under, they'll go in their stall and, you know, hang out in there. But the biggest reason they don't like snow is where'd all the grass go? Ah, yeah. They can't get to it. You know what I mean? And so they'll sit out there and they'll paw at the ground trying to open up a little area where they can munch on some grass, you know? With their hands? no we're not doing this cats don't have hands they don't have arms they are quadra heads we're talking about horses horses don't have hands also quadra heads alright I'm just checking I know I've caught you out a few times see this is us well sure you know you say it enough it's gonna slip right we are bipedal bipedal uh that means we have two legs leaving us with two arms cats horses dogs sheep donkeys goats quadrupeds so when we get the horse's feet done we don't say can you do their arms too they come to do four pedicure it's a pedicure it's a pedicure

34:41 It's a pedi-pedi. Instead of a mani-pedi, they get a pedi-pedi. See? So I just had an idea, like, maybe our first T-shirt could be, like, a cat with a space helmet holding a tomato and giving, like, a thumbs up. Cat with arms. You're just trying to push the cats have arms thing. I know you are. It's your conspiracy. This probably goes back to Egypt times. I don't know about that. It could. You don't know. I can't read hieroglyphs. So, you know, they could have had some of that could just be a discussion on whether cats have arms or legs. We don't know. Maybe I should write a book. We could write a book together. I've tried that.

35:23 It's pretty cool in the beginning. And then it just. Yeah, no. No, a ghostwriter. I'm kind of envious of these authors that, you know, we've had on that written books like and seen the whole thing through to the end. oh same i mean the amount i've done it in my brain but right the amount of dedication to doing that um yeah it's it's amazing right because you think about it they have to put an idea in their head onto paper and write it in a way that people want to read number one but also that makes sense right because what you know the jumble in my head may not make sense if i just put it all on paper i've got to actually coordinate you know timelines i've got to coordinate subject matter and i can't just go bouncing willy-nilly all over the place and running off on tangents here and there people will just be like what am i reading this would be better as a podcast see that's that's that's what i said when we first did this podcast is the uh lazy author's There's exit strategy or secondary plan, I suppose.

36:40 Sure, sure. Why not? Do an hour short story every week. Right? Absolutely. I mean, if you think about it, it is. Especially, you know, depending on the format of the show, you know, some of them are, you know, quite well thought out and planned out with, you know, a really good script to guide the session. Right. And I don't like that. I'm not doing it. We're not really script guys. I don't think. No, no. I mean, I can script on a computer, but you know, not, not this. Yeah.

37:21 I, we, I've tried a couple of times and it just, it feels unnatural. And I know there's a whole, you know, uh, there's a whole method to taking those and making them feel natural. Right. Right. Um, but that is okay. So here's the real gist of it is I just don't have time. I don't have time to do that. That would be in and of itself all of my time, which would leave me with no ability to edit, you know, to, you know, engineer the sound to do all of the stuff that I'm terrible at, but I'm learning. so i i tried a couple times so guests especially guests that i'm really not that familiar with their field of expertise i did a little research and i came up with some questions and out of those questions like i wrote them all down and everything you know how many i used out of that one zero yeah i'm like man yeah you know i don't know you know people can look that crap up They want to know other stuff, I think.

38:29 I want to know other stuff. I don't know what they want, but. Yeah, and I think that's, you know, I mean, I do the same thing, right? I don't necessarily always write it down, but I'll do my research and look into things and have questions or areas that I'd like to explore. But at the same time, when you're in a conversation, and that's kind of what we do, right? for those of you that don't know before we start a recording we kind of run through some what this is blah blah blah felt a burp coming on it's gone but we go through this whole thing and we describe it as just picture yourself you've just met two people you're sitting around a campfire with and you know drinking beer or whatever you know drinking water drinking nothing, you know, whatever you want to be doing around your campfire.

39:28 But literally just that, right? You're just engaging in conversation. People are in, they are interested in what your field of expertise is and you just strike up a conversation and where it goes is where it goes. And so it's authentic. It's unscripted. It's, you know, natural. It doesn't have a, you know, planned start and end area, right? And that to me is one thing that I think is enjoyable. I like that. Me too. Yeah, the whole scripting thing, besides, I wouldn't say I'm lazy.

40:08 It's just like, I think I tend to procrastinate and put things off to the last minute. And it's just like a little bit too much for that kind of stuff. It's easier. Yeah, I mean, I've tried to do it. But here's the thing about it, right? It also cuts out the ability to just go off on a tangent. If you ask a kind of a broad, open question, you're going to have, you know, whatever the response is. Right. And I feel like scripting, if you're sticking to a script, you're going to end that segment that segment and just transition to a new topic area if that makes sense as opposed to let's see where this goes oh look they said something interesting here let me let me ask a follow-up on that you know and just let the conversation flow and i think there's something good to that yeah i think if you try to do the script i think too much you probably end up limiting yourself and probably limiting the, uh, the guest as well. Yeah. Try to stay in those parameters, but. And so far, all of the guests that we've had, uh, have had a good time and that's, that's also important to me, right? We're here to talk. We're here to hear your stuff. You know we here to ask questions Sure But you know really we want you to you know be the the star of the show We want you to shine So we just kind of following wherever we go and asking questions along the way

41:49 Right. And listening. But I mean, with that, we're not out to like get anybody or, you know, trick them or talk them into saying something they shouldn't say. You know, it's genuine, legitimate interrogatories, you know, to find out more about them. yeah exactly it's important it's that campfire chat you can go sit around a campfire to just poke holes in someone and and give them a hard time right right that's not the vibe around a campfire at least it hasn't just do that to you when you when you don't want to jump in the pool oh man yeah yeah so is it warmed up now you got any chores you got to do around the house um we have uh we we have some fencing projects to tackle uh still be doing those tomorrow they get postponed well yeah it's hard to do those in a nice storm it's also hard to do those in a snow storm and uh yeah so you know you want to make god laugh tell him your plans that's right okay so um yeah so the plan is uh to to do that tomorrow um today is going to be a lot of cleanup we've got a bunch of cleanup to do so yep cleanup oh and we've got a bunch of feed we got to move down to the feed shed. We've got to stack some in the barn. We've got to get bedding. We've got,

43:23 because we've been running through bedding like crazy. Because as I said, they don't want to stand out in the snow. They don't, same with ice, right? They don't want to stand out in that. There's, you know, they're not eating the grass because the grass is now coated. So they'll stand under the run under or in their stalls. And of course, you know, they aren't potty trained. So yeah. That probably raises the feed bill a little bit, huh? When there's no grass available? It does. Significantly. Yeah, we went through, you know, what, 15 bales of hay for, you know, a week. Not even that.

44:04 Do you normally stockpile that stuff? Like quite an amount of it? How much do you actually store like in time's worth at a time? it so that depends right um but primarily typically what we have on hand is about a month's worth of feed at any given time um and that depends on how we're buying and what we're doing so whether we're doing you know drop ship type stuff or we're buying by the pallet uh when we can buying by the pallet is the best way to do it uh so there have been times where we've had nine months worth of feed uh you know seven to nine months stacked in the feed shed so it just depends on how we're buying and what we're doing now hey uh we've had years where we've you know stacked you know 60 to 100 bales uh and we've had other years where we just don't need it if the past you do the square ones or those ginormous big round ones we we do square bales because and they're rectangles but that's too hard to say so square bales although this this most recent rash we got for this particular because we're in the wrong time to be buying hay you buy hay in the spring and hope for first cut right uh because they'll let it grow back up and then cut it again and they'll grow it.

45:34 But you start to get weeds and, you know, the quality of the grass goes down and all that good stuff. But the stuff we got is these highly compressed bales. So you've seen, if you haven't seen one before, a bale is probably, what, about three feet long by about 18 inches, by about, you know, 12 14 inches high um these things what's that metric what's that what's that metric it's different that's what it is um right these these things they took them and they put them in some like trash compactor or some crap and now these little bales are like you know i don't know two feet not even that foot and a half by a foot and a half or something i mean they're very compressed so it's the entire weight of a bale in this little teeny form factor and it's difficult to manage uh stack's easy that's that's kind of neat but i don't like it and then the flakes come out just hyper compressed which i don't think is a good thing having it be a little bit looser allows the horse to pick up enough to eat without like over pulling um and horses have a habit sometimes of kind of taking it and when they're trying to break some off they just kind of fling it and so you get more waste i think with with that matter but the other thing is they're

47:08 super heavy in a small form form factor and uh yeah i was rolling one out of the truck on into the tractor bucket and caught my thumb between the bale and the edge of the tractor bucket and so yeah oh it's a little spot yeah did it throb and hurt and all that stuff it did and i was ready to do your the you know but it it went away after about you know three hours four hours or so oh okay yeah if it doesn't go yeah normally you're gonna do it like right away like take that red hot poker and yeah it's very very counterintuitive to what you would think would help but yeah well no relieving pressure is a real thing right they do that for a lot of things right um yeah but who wants to stick a red hot flaming needle in their uh or paper clip in their thumbnail or fingernail nobody wants to do that that's crazy but when the when the when the yeah you sure you do absolutely because after you do that it goes ah okay that was that was very helpful um so yeah it's one of those things if the pain of of what you're going through outweighs the procedure you'll do it yeah it's kind of took me like 10 months to grow a new fingernail yeah forever yeah yeah i don't i don't know what's going to happen with this one it's it's not even half the bed so

48:39 it should should be okay but i might lose part of my thumbnail yeah mine never fell off until like i guess like the last little bit and then i get kind of flaky at the end but i was surprised my my whole thing was like purple and nasty and it went way behind like where you could even see like it kept growing out and i'm like holy crap man it was like like a quarter inch past where you can see it yeah this that's what kind of what this one's doing is it's growing out but i think well i don't know we'll see i don't care it's a thumbnail whatever were you wearing gloves or no yes oh really you still did that oh yeah okay yeah these were heavy and and again it was just against the blade so the bucket's kind of like this and there's a blade on the front right that's where you can lower and scrape stuff off the ground or whatever you want to do shovel into dirt and pick it up anyway yeah i rolled it and when i was rolling it i had it like this and then i rolled it like this and it my thumb just happened to hit the blade of the bucket and the whole thing kind of on its own you know just you know momentum just my thumb is hurting in sympathy for you that that's yeah that stinks doesn't hurt anymore that's all right that's good it's just another damage point it's like all right so how would all your uh plants fare are they all like dead everything's dead everything but the

50:10 garlic yeah yeah yeah all we have left is onions yeah yeah the the cold hearty stuff right the stuff that you could literally oh carrots we got carrots still there you go carrots is another good one right a lot of the root vegetables not a lot and some of the root vegetables will do okay with that right um bulbs you know stuff like that they they actually prefer cold and you'll get better onions next year because of that cold spell all right and garlic if you're growing garlic those bulbs will be better we didn't do garlic because it never really worked out here because it never got cold enough and now you know one time we skip it this would probably wouldn't be cold enough yeah yeah have you tried uh uh freezing them for a while yeah that's how we had to get them to uh to go last time yeah yeah it's it's a weird thing you wouldn't think it but garlic you plant in fall and you harvest you know in spring kind of late spring yeah early summer depending but uh if you if you don't get a cold enough winter the garlic just goes you could think these you know there's your bulb of garlic it's tiny right like wow but if you get a good freeze you know there's other things that go into it right like the soil and and you know you know other things but nutrients but minerals other things but the cold is what matters right when it hits that cold spot and it gets cold

51:40 for long enough that's what triggers it when the when it gets warm and it grows like really big bulbs which is nice we we got some really nice bulbs of garlic last year do you guys take any of that no oh it was really good i should have snagged some of your sweet potatoes too those look pretty good yeah they are they're tasty you know they got little ones but i mean they're good they're just little yeah i mean the little ones are actually pretty cool you know because yeah you don't really need like a whole sweet potato right and some of them i want one dude that's you know like oh those gigantic ones well next year we'll make sure you go home with a few because we do get some big ones like this.

52:27 You saw them. There's some hefty, hefty sweet potatoes out there. They're pretty awesome looking. But the ones that are kind of not super small, but, you know, maybe a big or so are my favorite. I think they're the best. Yeah. But they're all really good. We had tomatoes up until this last thing, dude. Now it's all like nothing. There's nothing left out there. It's a wasteland of what once was. It's compost. No, literally, man. She was able to pick off like 20 nice heirlooms. We haven't had really good experience doing the heirlooms, but they did really good this year.

53:09 And, you know, she picked them off. They're on the counter. They're, you know, ripening up in here. Not ideal, but at least we got something. No, it's fine. There's nothing wrong with that at all. we you know we'll we'll go out and we'll pick typically we we try and pick ripe but if we're out there picking and one looks like it's you know it's maybe getting you know like some some things out there trying to eat it before we can or whatever the case is we'll pick them half ripe bring them in all right they'll they'll ripen up fine they taste great it doesn't doesn't you know the the big difference there is we're not picking them green throwing throwing them through a distribution channel uh and the other pieces we're growing you know heirloom varieties non-gmo stuff etc so we don't get the longevity we can't we couldn't ship this stuff right um but it will ripen in your house and it'll still taste you know pretty close to a fresh ripe ripened on the vine one right as opposed to a store-bought one which tastes like sadness, a lot of sadness. I can't eat the store bought ones. They're terrible.

54:20 Seriously. Like we'll, you know, every once in a while we'll, we'll have a salad and we don't have tomatoes available. Uh, and, and my wife will go get some, you know, tomatoes from the store, even the organic ones. Uh, cause that's what we do. If we're going to buy produce, we're, we're looking for the stuff that has the least amount of death involved um and so sorry that was a little but it's true uh but you know she'll be like yeah they're they're good but she liked tomatoes right i didn't and i love tomatoes that are homegrown or fresh tomatoes like from the farmer's market stuff like that but store-bought tomatoes i can tell them like that right and uh she'll buy them she'll be like yeah these are actually pretty good and i'll take a bite and i'm like nope but they look pretty they do they look really pretty um draw a uniform and the same color and yep yep exactly they look good on the shelf they look they look good in the bowl or whatever you get them on isn't it funny like you know i think about that right i i you know even today and i know better i wouldn't go into a store and look at at you know varied size uniformity coloration produce and be like oh yeah i'm gonna take that yeah i'm gonna take the pretty stuff right of course i think it's just human nature man

55:54 but when i'm at home the varied size color non-uniform all that stuff doesn't even enter my brain i'm like oh look and it's good it's it's a weird human psychology it's like our apples like i was telling you right we don't do anything like spraying crap on our our our plants um so the apples suffer a little bit and they don't come out like big beautiful super pretty apples because they're not loaded with pesticides and herbicides and fungicides and you know all that good stuff and so they're ugly on the outside you'd look at it and go that needs to be washed it's washed it's fine and you but if you cut into it and ignore what your eyes are telling you it's amazing it's a Fuji apple and it's freaking good it's really good you know so yeah maybe you need like a you know 18 coatings of that wax stuff that that stuff's so nasty yeah that's that's one of those things. I just, I think food distribution is necessary in, in some areas of the world. And I think it's, it's a, it's a bonus that, you know, is neat to have, but the way that we do it, I think is, is bad for our health and bad for, well, it's bad for our health in general,

57:26 But it's just, it's bad for the plant nutrients. It's bad for, you know, if you're thinking, you know, and I'm not like some super environmentalist person. But, you know, less damage, less harm is always good, right? And you're thinking about these tomatoes that you just got at the store. But what you don't realize is those were maybe grown in Mexico and then shipped to California where they were warehoused and then shipped out to a distribution center in the Midwest. And then from there shipped out to your local grocery stores distribution center.

58:09 And then from there shipped out to all the different grocery stores in your area where then you go and get your tomatoes and bring them back home. now i'm a big fan of eat in season and locally and i think it's good for your body uh it's good for the nutrients of the plant because the plant is growing in its optimal time and space and you're getting the the the benefit of that right so yeah no i i get why they do stuff like that wax on the apples i mean because weeks or months later they still look like they just picked them but you know like when you scratch that stuff off with your fingernail it's just it's gross to me and then you cut it open like i've had ones like the seeds are half sprouted into trees inside the thing and you never know it by looking on the outside no my my wife had brought some home They looked very delicious.

59:10 And so she cut into one. And I went, I was going to have a piece. And I brought it up to my face. And I was like, whoa. The apple was fermenting. Nice. Inside of its little shell that they put on it. So, yeah, I'm not a big fan of that crap. Fermented foods are good for you, right? Yeah, not in that way. Not in that way. There's a way to ferment foods that makes them good for you. That's not it. That's just pure rotting. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, yeah, it's weird.

59:51 And buy local, buy in season. If you can, right? And I'm not saying, hey, every once in a while you don't splurge or do whatever. but i think we get all too dependent on stuff that doesn't exist normally in the time we're eating it avocados yeah really big one avocados you're not getting out look it's winter man what the hell you know so yeah and now my wife went through a big avocado kick for a while i mean they're very good for you but but the problem like you'll get them and i don't understand how they pick them or ship them or store them or whatever, but like within a couple of days, they're like rotten. I don't, I don't understand, but they look pretty good on the outside.

1:00:41 I'm sure they coat them with something too. Yeah. I am not certain what they do to process them. I haven't really dug into it. Um, but you know, avocado is one of those fruits that you pick when it, you know, when it's ripe or very close to ripe and it ripens pretty quick. It's, it's not something that is naturally able to just sit on your shelf like a sweet potato or an onion or even a carrot or something like that it's not designed for that never was you know and the the spanish name for them is aguacate they they use up a lot of water okay agua water i don't know I know that it's very difficult to find the balance between, like, the ones you buy at the store.

1:01:29 They're either rock hard, like they pick them way under ripe, or they're, like, halfway to rotting away. It's almost impossible to find them, like, good. Yeah, you can just grab the rock hard one, throw it in a paper bag, close the paper bag, and check it every day. That works. Yeah, it works really well. yeah okay yep it's the easiest way to do it um but yeah we also a lot of the times we go to uh one of the you know hispanic markets and they'll have their produce in general is uh not as uniform it's not as pretty but it's good it's really is that local stuff or they bring it in from somewhere else it's usually local okay well some of it's probably being brought in as well but you know it skipping you know it it got a different distribution network Yeah I mean that the other thing about these farmers markets How do you know where that stuff actually coming from Because I seen news kind of report things and then people are just a lot.

1:02:39 Some of them are bringing them in from just food distributors and saying, well, this is local farm grown, which it wasn't. Well, here's your first clue. You look through their produce. If it's got those little stickers on it. Right. it didn't come from a farm nearby that's a good clue right that's a clue and if you see that kind of stuff in a farm stand avoid that farm stand or go up and talk to them what of this produce is from local farms all right and if they point to the stuff with stickers on it just go no no no i didn't say local distribution center i meant local farms and and that's the easiest way if you find a good farm stand or a farmer's market, the people there, uh, by and large, typically are local farmers.

1:03:29 They're bringing in their produce from their farm to sell it. Okay. Okay. But they will have corporate farms, uh, you know, corporate ag, you know, uh, people, um, and all that other stuff that'll be doing the same thing, right? They're trying to sell more product. it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad but the big thing is if you could talk to those people most of them would be more than happy land you can come on out and check out our operation and if you find someone that's willing to do that with you you're in you know right off the bat i'd say you're in better in a better place because none of these corporate people are going to do that they're just no of course no no i know around here a lot of the uh farmers they tend to specialize in primarily one thing whether like strawberries are big blueberries yeah and then the other stuff i don't really know where it comes from but not from there yeah this and there's so that's all monoculture right you're talking about a farmer that grows strawberries a farmer that grows blueberries, a farmer that grows whatever. And, and I'm, I will say that that doesn't necessarily equate to bad things. It doesn't, right? Someone may just be really good at growing blueberries and that's what they do. And they, they have a great practice and they, you know,

1:05:01 they're giving, you know, back to the earth when they're doing it, you know, through regenerative agriculture. Um, and they're making sure the soil is fed. They're doing the right things in my opinion but it's also kind of one of those things that makes me go i need to dig in here because all of corporate ag is based on monoculture all of it right yeah huge fields of one crop right now they're you know that's that's where you know it's a it's a hit or miss but a lot of the farm you'll find they're bringing in from their farm, their farm, and you'll find a variety of different things. And, you know, that's kind of what I tend to gravitate towards for diversity of, of foodstuffs, but also because, you know, it's more likely that people that are doing that are practicing the type of practice that I would, I would like, and I'll talk to them as well.

1:06:03 you know what do you do how do you do what do you do for compost you know are you you know how do you control pests you know i i want to know that how do you control pests and if you tell me that well you're using you know an agricultural spray i'm going to be like okay well thank you appreciate your time have fun i don't want it you know i'll take the ugly blemished fruit i'm like if i walk here's another thing right heirlooms of especially tomatoes are not the prettiest tomatoes but i will tell you no no of course not i will tell you this they are the absolute best freaking tomatoes in the world man um and so you know i'm the i'm the kind of person i see heirlooms out there that i'm going to gravitate towards that as well they're harder to grow they produce less uh they're more costly and they're ugly so you walk up and this things all you know dented and odd shaped and you know it's got holes in the top and you're like ah that looks like it's bad it's not it's really really really good try it i promise you and if like the cherokee purples or the brandy wines oh man those are good she's got the yellow ones that are she really likes i don't remember what they're called but oh yeah yeah we haven't really delved into those ourselves just because we've got enough variety of tomato and we plant a lot of tomato

1:07:33 and then you have those uh whether the chadwicks that just take over everything they're like hey i'm here yeah those chadwick cherry tomatoes i think i bought 15 seeds off of someone and i can't you you cannot get rid of these they they they it's impossible you you just can't they will grow everywhere every freaking where in your compost piles in your walk aisles out on the field that you're just going to find chadwick cherries popping up every freaking where and you've seen it right we go walking out there is oh there's tomato plant there's another tomato plant oh and there's one over there there's one over there they're just we're gonna grow right yeah we're never gonna have to worry about never having any tomatoes because those things will always be there right and you guys you you're primarily raised beds and you experience it as well so oh of course yeah yeah it's not just oh you know oh well you're talking about on a farm and a field no literally raised beds same thing i've got a raised bed here that i've i we've gotten three years of tomatoes out of it i only planted one tomato plant one year that's it they just boop more more more more they they jump beds too i don't know if like the squirrels are grabbing them and like eating a little bit and leaving but yeah they they just come up volunteers everywhere yeah i think i'm not complaining i mean you can take them out if you want but yeah

1:09:06 yeah i think it's i think it's birds oh birds okay yeah and and i'm i'm you know if i go to pick one and it's you know it's past it's you know it's past its expiration date i just toss it anymore i don't care i have just more tomatoes over there where do we know tomatoes nice nice it works you know it really does it's amazing how how resilient and and willing to volunteer those things are they they're pretty awesome nice well i got some home improvement projects to do today. I don't know.

1:09:47 Maybe you can... Do you have any final thoughts on this stuff? What do you got? I got to replace the transition from the wood flooring to the tile flooring in the kitchen. I got that half taken apart. Okay. I got to clean the chicken coop out. Yeah. Yeah. Combos. They've been kind of locked up in there with the, I blocked the windows off and put some cardboard on the floor. So, yeah, it was cold, windy. It wasn't that cold or windy. It was. It was down in the teens.

1:10:29 We got Florida chickens. They're wimps. They're not. They really aren't. I promise you. I mean, I didn't put a heater out there, but. If you had one, you would have. No. I didn't go that far. Our coop, my wife was down there, opened the door and walked in. She was like, oh my gosh, it's so warm in here. It was like nine degrees. I think it was 13 that morning when she went. Just from them? Yeah. Oh, wow. Them, their poop, their bedding. They don't need it.

1:11:09 Honestly, they don't need a heat source. Now, if you're worried about, you know, you could certainly suffer some damage to a chicken, especially a rooster, but you don't have any roosters. Like you can get frostbite on a comb. That you can get. But hens are very unlikely to succumb to that because their comb is so close to their head. So we did have two chickens. my wife goes oh my gosh look at the chickens and i looked over there we've got you know several freedom chickens we call them they you know you can put them back in with the other chickens and they just not and fly over the fence and they're like we want to live out here okay so we have uh mobile chicken coops or chicken tractors as they're called and they just took up home in this one and they just sit next to each other on a perch bar in there and uh we she said look at the chickens there's a an aracana chicken on the perch and there's a bielefelder on top of the aracana perch on the other chicken and the aracana had its head up under the bielefelder and the Beelfelder, if you're not aware, chickens can kind of retract their head into their feather stuffs.

1:12:39 And it's like that, right? And I walked up and it was just hilarious because it was just this ball of chicken. It was the weirdest thing. Never seen chicken perch on another chicken before. Yeah, I didn't know they did that. They seem very comfortable with it too. All right. Weird. Should get a picture. Yeah, I got one, but it's pretty bad. i'll see maybe i'll post it up here it's hard to see i think because there's hardware clopping between my camera and if i had walked in the door which was open right they didn't close those if i had walked in the door then they would have freaked out a little bit and probably de-perched their situation that's funny but it was funny so yeah um no i i think i'm i'm out of uh ideas and and stuff to talk about at this point not really but you know interesting stuff maybe i don't want no i'm not going to do it go ahead no it's okay well you can't do that it's illegal talk about the government no i'm having a good day man i'm having a good day right that always gets you going it does but i'm having a good day today's puppies puppies and speaking of it we're getting close to garden time and i'm trying to figure out if i'm gonna start off a hundred or maybe go up to 144 tomato plants what do you think wow nice i always do that

1:14:16 i mean the the high tunnel alone usually takes 72 of them how did that hold up with the ice and snow and stuff really well actually oh okay good other than one instance where banging ice getting ice up off the sheeting so for the snow no big deal for the ice though we had to break the ice off because ice is really heavy right and so we're we're trying to bang the ice off and it flips up and ice doesn't just land flat all the time apparently so there's some little holes from the ice how do you patch them uh there's a tape like a special tape yeah there's a tape that we have i have a roll of it it's you know probably you know six inches wide okay and it's just you know uh uh poly tape i don't remember what the second part of poly is on this but yeah all right nice yeah so i'm excited i'm glad it didn't blow away we had some pretty windy like 40 50 mile an hour gust i think won't blow away in the worst case it would shred the uh the poly on it, but it won't be all right.

1:15:33 That thing's in the ground. Yeah. It's nice. Pretty, pretty strong frame. So, yeah. So I'm excited about that. I'm excited. The gardening season's almost here. We get to start growing food again and fresh, yummy vegetables is one of my favorite things. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then. Me too. meat chickens and hopefully meat goats. Oh, we're going to have a big processing day? Is it about that time? We were supposed to get three meat goats last year and things fell through.

1:16:16 Which was a bummer because we ordered them well in advance but life happens. So this year we'll probably grab three Boer boats, which are good big fat goats for meat. We're going to start up a second flock again for meat birds. See if we can't hatch out about probably 120 birds a year, end up culling probably 80 of them or so would be would be what i'd like to see clean up those freezers yeah well the chest freezers yeah it's diminishing rapidly now we pretty much just use the stand-up freezer it's it's okay so much better to deal with but when when we start doing things when we start getting the chicken culling going that that will obviously that and the goats will fill that chest freezer for sure quickly yeah go through it for a few weeks at one point in the year and then uh stock food for the year basically you know i think 80 chickens is probably a little too much for us but it's one of these things, you know, it doesn't always work out the way you want it to. Right. So if we plan,

1:17:52 you plan for an overage and, you know, hopefully you end up hitting your target kind of the way it goes, you know, between predation and, you know, all the other stuff that comes along that inhibits life, you're likely to suffer some losses, and that's okay. It's just life. Yeah. Well, you got a plan in place. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Plan, equipment, know-how, knowledge. I'm just happy our chicken started laying eggs again. Yeah, that's nice. They're on strike for a little while, I guess. Yeah, they do that in the wintertime.

1:18:33 It's just what they do. Nothing worse than coming into winter and it's like, there's no eggs. We got to buy eggs. I don't want to buy eggs. It's stupid. I'm feeding you. Please give me some food. That's a bonus. It really is. I love eggs. I probably, you know, really not every day, but, you know, I probably eat. yeah, well over a dozen a week. Oh, wow, nice. Yeah, for sure. Well, they're easy. They're convenient. I can hard boil a dozen of them and just have them in there, pop three of them out, and snack on eggs.

1:19:18 I like them fried, scrambled. I like them in a frittata. It's a wonderful thing. You know, so all this stuff, yeah. Especially when we get fresh vegetables and you throw some fresh vegetables in there with maybe breakfast meat and some cheese and poof. Egg cake. You could be like Bubba Egg Gump or something. I like fried eggs. I like boiled eggs. I like scrambled eggs. Pickled eggs, poached eggs. Yeah, right? You could. You could go on for quite a while on that one.

1:19:59 Egg whites, egg yolks. but with fermented eggs, pickled eggs. Can you ferment eggs? Yeah. Really? Yeah, you can. You can ferment everything, I guess. You can ferment like the yolks and the Filipinos ferment whole eggs with the embryo in them. It's called a balut. Absolutely disgusting to think about it, but they're actually pretty good. Yeah, I'll pass on that one. They're actually pretty good. I had one once, but it's disgusting to think about. And I don't think I want one again. It has nothing to do with the fact that it wasn't bad.

1:20:41 It was good. But the thought of it's kind of disgusting to me. It is. I don't know. It's just me. Not even kind of. It is. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I'll pass. But, you know, I do like my eggs. I really do. Like potatoes. boil them, mash them, put them in or stew. Have you ever tried iguana eggs? I saw that recently on a video. No. Yeah. Really? Well, they had all those iguanas falling out of trees because it was so cold. They were picking them up off the ground, cooking them, and then one was filled with eggs. It had like 20 eggs in it.

1:21:21 And the guy put them in a blender, scrambled them up, and ate them. All right. Why not? I don't know. iguana is probably pretty tasty though i did see some videos of dudes making uh iguana tacos i'd be down to try that for sure 100 that's when you go to like visit visiting islands and stuff and you look at a menu board and you're like you want chicken or real chicken and you gotta make a choice right the chicken of the trees right yeah well chicken of the trees or tree bacon out here is a squirrel oh same different i've never had that either it's good it's really good you that i have a mutual friend who i know has had squirrel that's true yes yes bird yep no it's it's actually really good you would like it i that i can promise you you you would really oh yeah absolutely just don't tell me yeah yeah maybe i'll uh see about that i have to figure out i don't remember when squirrel season is but it's right around that time so you could probably go nab a few and put them in the freezer they're just i i know that they cause damage but they're so cute i just i don't know they are but then again i guess cows are kind of cute too and pigs and all the all the chickens are kind of cute yeah it's all kind of cute i get over it exactly it's it's all kind of cute um but yeah they they you know i'm not i'm not trying And so it's, for me, it's one of those things I've had before, but I'm not super, like, it's not something I'm going to go and typically try and get, right?

1:23:01 But I know how to clean them. I know how to cook them. And I know they taste really good. So, you know, if offered, oh, heck yeah, I'm down. And if you want to try them, I'll go get some. Clean them. Cook them. It's pretty dang good. Maybe. Yeah. I'll give you a maybe. Yeah, you'll try it. Have you had rabbit? No, I have not. Oh, also very cute and tasty. Why are all the cute things so tasty? How does that work? I don't know. But snapping turtle's also very tasty and not cute at all. No. Yeah.

1:23:41 No. Yeah. And that I don't know. I had an experience with an alligator snapping turtle. That thing was mean. they are yeah we have it was like coming after me yeah we have to like we we get them here and they come they're they're not usually very big um probably they're they're you know out here they're in ponds right so that's going to dictate how big they grow is how big their environment is um and so you know we get them out here and they're you know probably you know yay big the shell but uh yeah they're they're they're no fun to to mess with yeah this one was pretty large i would say probably at least 80 18 inches around maybe maybe bigger than that like i was driving down this little back road and there was like a canal and like i tried to move him out of the way so i didn run him over and he he did not appreciate my help yeah i wouldn do that i wouldn leave it honestly well because here's the thing you know um it's not just their mouth you have to be careful of right they do have claws that's another piece but that tail that tail is armored and nubbed with ridges okay and when they you know if you pick them up or do anything like that that tail will go whack up against its shell and if your finger happens to be in the way it's not gonna be a good day for you really all right yeah so and they hiss at you which is like no he was pretty

1:25:13 angry yeah yeah yeah it's kind of terrifying you're like okay i don't like you at all so i've to take them by shovel and relocate them because we have a fence uh for our dogs our backyard fence and apparently they go from one pond to another as a matter of their you know biology or something whatever but you know okay this is just something they done probably for you know however many years decades millennia whatever But the fence is in their way So they come up and they hit the fence and they keep going and then they hit the house And then they try and go back across the fence And it's like, and then they'll come back and then go the other way and get a visitor.

1:25:59 Hello. Good morning. Good morning. Oh, did you sleep well? Yes. Okay. Go get your mom. Go on. Go get your mom. anyway i'm sorry for the disruption there but yeah they'll do that and so you know shovel and another time we put them in a bucket because it would fit just in the bucket and my wife's like you know will you get it and i'm like oh sure but why and she's like well i don't want it to jump out at me i'm like oh now there's a whole new level of terror you know a snapping turtle that could jump like straight up out of a bucket.

1:26:40 You never know. Yeah, they can't. They will try, but they can't jump probably more than an inch or two. But they're scary. They will take a finger off. There's no question about it. That's all right. I can't jump either. Well Okay Biology And on that note thank you everybody for joining us for another episode of the space tomatoes podcast we really enjoyed your time you know where you can find us we're on everything youtube spotify apple amazon IR Radio Podcast Attic Podcast This, Podcast That, Podcast These, all the podcast things.

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