From Dirt to Data with Bonus Havok Rants

0:00 all right we're recording we're live well we're not live but you know what i mean we're recording we're live not for you though that's true yes we're live pre-recorded hey everybody we're not live with you but we're live with each other right now it's a time paradox yeah it'd be kind of weird if we just did this solo and then just tried to match stuff up like just have like some one-sided conversation with yourself we should do a live live stream one day that'd be fun yeah we should yeah probably get like you know maybe a dozen people on it too that's okay fun no i mean i think that would be fun i enjoy live streams all right well let's do it let's plan it let's do it all right oh hey you're you're joining us now aren't you welcome back to another episode of the space tomatoes podcast i'm one of your hosts And I'm LX.

1:19 Welcome. Nice to have you. Yeah, we got to fix that somehow. I don't know. I feel like we need some intro work there, you know? You spruce that up a little bit, make people feel like we actually know what we're doing. Take some lessons somewhere. Newscasting lessons or something. I don't know. No, no, no, no. First things first. Throw the directions away. Then start working on stuff. That makes sense. Yeah. So it's the only way to do it. Trial by fire. we we had a pool ladder that uh went up that way it was uh it was very scary let's put it did anybody break any necks or arms or anything no no nobody got hurt on it but man it was it was like yeah you wanted to like yeah it was not good it got it was so bad at one point we just pulled it out and we would just hop up onto the deck you know what i mean kind of like one of those old you know you're in the deep end of the pool and you just pull yourself up like that just because it was so rickety i had fallen over on it one time but i fell into the pool so no injury no no problem but yeah not good always follow the directions gentlemen right did you Did you learn anything from that or no?

2:38 You still don't follow the directions? I didn't put it together. I follow the directions. I am not that guy. Someone else in the family put it together, and I'll just leave that open to imagination. It wasn't my wife, though. I'll just say that. You're not going to throw anybody under the bus, though. I get it. No, I wouldn't do that at all. Anybody I know? Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Someone fairly late to you, actually. Yeah. Yeah. So what are you guys up to today? What did you get into? Today? I'm doing this with you. Yeah. It's early. The day is like halfway over.

3:19 The what? It's 9 in the morning. I know. It's late. Yeah. We did our usual. We've been doing a morning walk. We've been doing it, I don't know, over a month now. We missed two days. So we've been doing pretty good. We're about to up our game a little bit and increase the time and or distance a little bit. We're getting close to two miles a day, which isn't a whole terrible amount of distance, but it's better than no distance at all, I would think. It probably puts you in the top 20% of Americans as far as daily activity goes.

4:01 be honest you know there there's a lot of people get up roll out of bed sitting in an office chair all day go to the couch sit down yeah nothing i enjoy it i look forward to it yeah no that's that's awesome that's awesome so you guys have like a route we do have a route just kind of yeah yeah we don't have sidewalks in front of our house but just down the street they have the sidewalk so we walk into that little neighborhood and it's a little bit safer i think up on the sidewalk trying not to get run over man there's some idiots driving by in cars like i don't know if they're not paying attention or they're blind or you know like i'm not really sure have dementia parkinson's alzheimer's something like that yes i'm not really sure and i'm like man i guess i need to get like the flashing light on my forehead and i mean we're out in daylight we're not like we're going in the dark yeah neither reflective safety vest i guess but now i'm gonna get you guys bicycle helmets with little with little yellow sirens yeah yeah don't don't waste your money on that hive is walkers but man man some people do they just like cruising pretty fast through these neighborhoods residential neighborhoods i guess they just don't care i don't know yeah and i think part of that is you know i'm just gonna throw this one out here at least for me the older i get you know i turn more into that crotchie old man slow down

5:36 yeah stay off my lawn right yeah i don't even have a lawn but just stay off of it man i'm so speaking about lawns i'm so tired of mowing it it's been raining pretty much every day and And so I barely get a week out of it. I'm just sick of it. I wish I didn't have to mow. I mean, I guess technically I don't have to. Then don't. Start slowly and add in just perennial natural areas that are native to your area. Yeah, no, the code enforcement would come down on me and give me a citation. Well, if it was nice, if it looked nice, they would be okay with it, right?

6:17 Yeah, I want like less maintenance, not more. So I'm good. I'm good on mowing. That's what I'm saying. if you if you choose certain plants like say prickly pear prickly pear as long as it's kept not you know in a nice patch and isn't allowed to just fall in on itself and and stuff actually is a nice little thing it's also food you can eat it never had oh yeah it's really good yeah so you can you can plant that out front and take a piece of the the yard and now that's a you know a prickly pear patch and then you can put in like you know a native flowering you know bush species or something and just kind of plan out a natural area and the more you do that the less lawn you have to worry about and the more that stuff just once a year you go trim it back and then it just grows for a year and you won't have to water it if you choose native species because as soon as they're, I mean, at first you will, but once they're established, they're just going to do their own thing.

7:20 Yeah. You know? I don't really water the grass. Some of these people, like on the walks, man, you can see the people that are, you can smell it too, the ones that are loaded down with the chemicals. As soon as you walk by in the morning and they get the sprinklers going, you know, all the time. If you want that, you know, that golf course looking yard, they're paying for it. one way or another well everyone is right i mean at the end of the day all that all that pesticide and herbicide as well as the chemical fertilizers those you know extremely high nitrogen fertilizers all that stuff is just you know i mean it runs off you know it off gases into the air it runs off there's overspray and then you get in you know florida right especially this time of year every day pretty much right around three o'clock right around three o'clock yeah it's it's gonna freaking rain and not a little bit and so you know you get some runoff and next thing you know that stuff's going down into the natural waterways and things like that yeah it's a it's a nightmare man it's like you know i have people all the time man wait you you guys should do something with your lawn i'm like why it's green it looks great you know when it's mowed you let it grow you you can instantly tell oh yeah it's basically a weed patch but you know it's got like 18 different types of grasses ours is the same yeah it's it's it's green i don't know what it is it's probably

8:52 some grass in there yeah but the front so yeah i got a little bagger mower that you know a little eventually so yeah you know what you guys should do is bring a couple of uh feed bags with you 50 pound sacks and just stuff them with leaves when you're out here because they'll all be fresh leaves falling throw the leaf mulch is awesome i mean really we might take some of that clay back with us we took we we said we had our neighbor bring us a little bit we put it in the raised beds and that seemed to help uh it holds retains the moisture pretty well oh it does yeah if you can mix clay into your soil it would be a huge benefit yeah he went up there his wife went up there her friend moved up there and uh he actually i was surprised he did it he i'm not thankful he brought a big tupperware bucket back up back of it i mean it's nasty when it gets wet it's you know slimy and you know gets all over everything but it mixes in it's fun i guess it's squishy and my wife was so excited she was uh she was thrilled yeah i mean heck i'll get the tractor out we'll tear up a little area and get you some good old north carolina there you go oh man that's not talking about hardback i didn't realize how uh i had to break it up with the little uh rake thing yeah oh yeah no it's it's

10:23 It's tough stuff, man. It really is. Yeah, that's why we work so hard with that broad fork, you know. We've got to break that stuff up and get organic material down there or nothing you do will work because that clay, just every time it gets wet, you know, it's basically sediment, right, fine sediment, and it just, you know, recompacts. And so you've got to, like, get a broad fork in there, which if anyone doesn't know what a broad fork is, you can you can look it up but essentially it's a tool two handled garden tool and it's got handles on each side that you know let's see if i can do this stick straight up like this right and they're about shoulder width maybe a little wider for you know average adult male and then on the bottom it's got four or five sometimes six seven tines but they're not like little thin hay fork type tines they're like that wide at the top metal blades that come straight down and they're about 18 inches long i think something like that and it's heavy so you lift it up and you step on it because it's got a crossbar you can step your whole weight on top of it and hold the handles and you do that and then you pull back and as you pull back it lifts air pockets and so we put hardwood mulch and some compost up on top and then we broad fork and that hardwood and some of the compost will fall down in the pockets when we're broad forking. The idea is not to lift it

11:55 and go all the way up. You're just trying to get it to lift up to create those air pockets, right? You're not trying to till the soil. And you do that along all your beds. And this is for ground planting obviously in a raised bed you may have this if you have a clay soil you may still want to decompact every once in a while but you could probably do that with a cultivator really but anyway so you do this and and that starts breaking up that soil but what we've actually been what we do is when we do plant something like a tree or anything else with the soil we're adding in to where we've dug out a hole, we always add clay into that for exactly that moisture retention purpose. Cause that stuff will just, it literally, it'll hold onto moisture for days. So it's really a huge, we need that here because we do not have soil. We have sand. We don't, we don't really even have rocks and you guys have rocks and all that stuff in there which I mean I guess if you trying to dig a hole for a swimming pool it makes life difficult or fence post Yeah Yeah But it it it does introduce a lot of minerals right Mineral content which is important.

13:07 So we're trying to, we're trying to build the soil down here. It's, you know, it's, it's a long process for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Go find, go find some junk yard sales too and grab clay pots, smash those things up. And, and when you, you know, when you're doing stuff in the yard, just start you know dig a little hole here a little hole there and just drop some clay right broken clay shards in there and stuff like that that'll also start to help that's that whole tear up right uh your wife's i'm sure very familiar with that i've heard that yep but what we are doing i don't know i don't think we've talked about that the uh the cardboard so we got a bunch of heavy cardboard you just you know from everybody has amazon deliveries so we actually I found a place or a guy on Marketplace.

13:55 They had just moved out and they had a ton of U-Haul boxes, like the really nice thick ones for free. You just got to peel the tape off. So you lay them down and then on top of that, we put the mulch. And, you know, like it lasts like a year, year and a half, and then it breaks down and then we do it again and it just, everything kind of mixes in and it's making soil. Because when you pull that stuff up, you could pull the cardboard up, you know, before it breaks down and you see worms and stuff, which you'd never see before that. Oh, yeah. so there's definitely life in there no we we do that exact same thing when we do a new patch anywhere because the the the weed pressure here is right insane it also takes care of that part right yeah so what we actually do like i'm a big fan of not tilling i think tillage is bad in general but we cannot it's just well we we're we're trying something different this year but even then we still tilled uh but we till first time and that's it and then we add in compost and mulch or compost to the soil we we add all that and then till it in and then we layer cardboard on top of it because we know that there are weed seeds and we're going to get johnson grass which has you know very deep large root balls so you can take that stuff whack it right off and it'll grow through 18, 24 inches.

15:18 Is that the same as that torpedo grass we have? Or is that something different? It grows in patches, essentially. And it gets about eight, nine feet tall, if you don't. Yeah. You remember a side field when we tried to go walking through it that one year and stuff's overhead? That's tons of grass. Maybe you can mow a little maze for one year. You could, yeah. Well, no, it's all taken care of now. we've been keeping it nice and tight yeah so but uh yeah so we till first we we add compost right maybe some soil then we till which puts all that organic material into the soil you know it helps a little bit and then we cover with cardboard and then put in soil compost etc and uh plant on that And that right there seems to have been one of the best ways we can do it.

16:16 We actually just buy rolls of single-sided cardboard that's plain. So we don't end up with as much glue, right? I don't think there's enough glue in there to be problematic in the first place. But still, less is better, I think. And no ink. No ink at all, right? So that's what we do. And it also allows us to take a roll and, you know, just roll it out. It's probably much easier doing it that way, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, and it's not expensive for a big roll. I was going to say, potty mouth, bad, bad. It's not that bad for a big roll of cardboard, like a hundred foot long roll.

17:01 It's like 30 bucks or something, 30 bucks. Or it was, I don't know what it is now. paper paper stuff might be impacted the whole canadian trade war bs but it's still it i thought it was worth it for us but then you know if we get boxes big boxes and there's little very little ink and stuff like that we use those too yeah i would i wouldn't get too concerned about the potty mouth thing especially after the last episode you get a little fired up i did didn't i was that bad? Yeah, man, it's your call, man. I mean, I'm just saying. Hopefully it didn't bother. I mean, I can do it again.

17:42 You know, I actually had somebody bring up to me that Palantir. Palantir? Is that what it is? Yeah. I had never heard about that before, and now everybody's talking about it. Yeah, that's a code word I can get you fired up. It's bad news, man. I mean, honestly, if you really start to consider what's going on in our society today, the book 1984 by George Orwell, that thing, I mean, we're not there. We're pretty close. Well, you could argue we aren't because there are protections that still exist. However, you can also sit there and look at those protections being eroded, having been eroded, and you can easily go, yeah, we are here. It's just a different form.

18:29 instead of a centralized totalitarian, you know, technocracy, it's more of a decentralized one. And that's where the protection comes in. Like, you know, again, like we were talking about, you know, the ring cameras and Amazon, the Alexas and the, you know, these things of the world, they gain all that data through private companies voluntarily. So, you know, I think in the ring cameras when you go and accept their terms of service one of the things in there is you know you allow us to just go ahead and you know scrape your video just in case if if there's any kind of criminal activity or request right not not a formal we we have a warrant but here's a request for data right so you sign up for it so you could make the argument again that we're not there but It's real easy to see that we are. It's just the way it's implemented is different. It's lots of little private companies that have created that centralized dystopian state because the government is using those companies to do it because they can't do it themselves.

19:38 Well, they can, and they do, and Snowden revealed this, but we can't do anything about that because even though the Supreme Court came back and said, yes, this is likely unconstitutional, but it's classified, so we can't read it. And I'm sure all of that stuff is in their terms and conditions that nobody reads when you sign up. By using this service, you consent to having all your information used by other third-party people, except they don't tell you who those third parties are. yeah yeah exactly it's like the facebook terms of terms of service or whatever right like it's but they all have that it's so if you participate in anything online i'm pretty sure you've consented to something that you otherwise wouldn't have if you like you actually read it yeah for sure for sure intentionally vague and broadly worded it's you know standard legal BS, you know, it, all that stuff, you know, to be honest with you, and there was a push for it a long time ago, you know, say it was like 20 years ago or something, but all of that stuff should have to be put into plain language. Exactly what it means to the lay person should be laid out.

20:59 And there was a push for that. And so they, I think they, they added summary, uh, stuff to bills. and stuff like that but they don't add everything they they when they do the summary they only do the major talking points on a bill etc so it's just you know it's constant fuckery you gotta love it you know it is what are you gonna say about it right i mean honestly it's literally just fuckeries people like have nothing better to do with their time than just figure out ways to screw the populace i mean honestly that's that's what you do see friends this is how you do it i mean that's right i should i should have had the puppy and you know puppy talk in the farming farming talk when we started off on the farming you're the one that brought up i know i i'm i know i know exactly what i'm doing yeah right you're like it's 9 a.m let's see how spun up we can get him like a top it's very predictable that's the good news about it right oh man how's your uh how's your coffee there no it's absolutely wonderful it's the same you can't see it here i'll i'll show you guys just so you understand the black as night oh look at that lid look at the staining on that lid that means i see that there's staining on the metal inside the cup too

22:32 if you can see the rim of that that's all stained it's not shadow from the black liquid and looks like uh it's like what i drain out of the car and i change the oil probably is probably is it's my motor oil and i i happen to be one of those old like you know 1950s you know internationals if it's not smoking from burning oil it ain't worth it right i i i don't know i just i've never picked up the coffee uh i don't know if you want to call it a habit but i just i've never really tried it i would say that's probably a good thing don't do it you know why would you want to start i don't know does that does that pep you up i guess it probably does right sure it does yeah but i think honestly a lot of it's just psychological I mean, you know, if you drink a bunch of it, but I don't drink a lot of coffee or normally I don't. Lately I've been chugging coffee, which is not great, but, you know, work and, you know, stuff, work and stuff around work and stuff, uh, has been different in the last, you know, six, 12 months, very different.

23:51 And so, yeah, I've been crutching on caffeine and nicotine. You don't work for the post office, do you? Just asking for a friend. Oh, okay. No, no. There are probably areas where the post office is more efficient than where I work, which, you know, I'm just kidding. But still, you know, I mean, everywhere has their challenges, and we are no exception. So it's just one of those things, you know, all in all, you know, they, they treat us fairly okay. It's just nice to get a paycheck. I would assume, right?

24:32 Oh, I mean, it has its benefits. Yeah. And I really do love what I do. Right. And it's not about that. It's just, you know, companies, you know, do things that are important to their leadership for whatever purpose. And, you know, sometimes it's harder for us as the people down below to see the minutia of, you know, tracking and getting metrics being beneficial to our primary goal as our, you know, role in the position we're in.

25:13 Hopefully I said that in a vague and broadly worded enough. Sounds good to me. My goodness. You're going to cut all that part out probably, right? Yeah, I might. I don't know. I don't really want to disparage any organizations. Although I didn't. I didn't think you disparaged anything. But I mean, everybody's entitled to, as long as you put that in my opinion at the end, you're all set, right? In my opinion. Yes. In my opinion. But, you know, hey, I'm not, you know, I'm not one of the smart guys, right? I don't I don't I don't create strategy or direction or anything like that I'm I'm a worker b and I enjoy being a worker b I really do I like it to come home to your farm and your I mean you don even have to go anywhere So I mean that nice Most of the time We don have an office Yeah.

26:08 We don't have an office near me, but I have to go and, you know, go meet with customers and, you know, do stuff like that. And that's, that's all good. So some travel, but a lot of it's local. Yeah, it's all right. It's all right. I like that part. You know, that's the, that's the fun part to me. That's the part I really enjoy, you know, mostly. I mean, every once in a while there are challenges with anything, right? But, you know, that's, I enjoy it. I really, really do. That's good. Yeah. That's half the battle right there. Yeah. Yeah. That's the fun part. You know, I get to play with toys.

26:49 Maybe you should get a job like with tractors or something. That would be nice. I really would like that. yeah i don't think i could stomach working for one of the particular organizations the green one or the orange one or the red ones are the red ones still around red ones are still around yeah what about the blue ones is red kubota is orange blue is uh new holland i believe they're all around oh yeah new holland's uh you know usually what we see around from new holland around here is the big stuff right nothing i i would own i don't need a combine i don't need you know that heavy of equipment i don't have a million plus dollars land yeah the things are expensive right and they're complicated yeah holy crap they're complicated there's there is a lot going on in there yeah like yeah for sure yeah i had no idea like people think like farmers get on a tractor and chug along man them things are like you could have like a college degree to run a tractor almost even our little one right it takes it takes a lot of getting used to and and understanding how it functions what it's capable of you know and it's it's very very you know consumer friendly, I would say, but yeah, you get into one of those big ones and yeah, it's, it's a whole different ball game, you know? Yeah. You know, fly by wire systems in them and stuff

28:25 like that. Computers, GPS control, you know, uh, you know, multiple different, uh, you know, areas that you need to put power to at different times, uh, for different things. You've got a boom arm in a combine you know you've got a lot going on you know and not only that they're expected when something breaks for the most part you can fix it you know what i mean or at least identify what the problem is uh if you aren't capable of fixing all right you know i would think most most farmers that have been around a while are probably pretty handy with repairs and things but i'm sure they these new computer controlled things are much more complicated that's where you get into a lot of the problems yeah i'm saying like you know there's you know times when like something happens with the auger system in in the combine yeah that's you're going to need heavy equipment you're you know you may know how to fix it but you may also not have the right equipment to fix it right um so stuff like that but you know they have field services that come out and you just like you know pop on the seal on one of those tires that's that's no joke it's not a like you know quick easy for the most part you know and they're filled with water well antifreeze yeah tires tire service is something uh so i i i this is back in the 90s i had some dump trucks and uh i always use the tire guy because it's it's heavy work and you know man

29:59 Like, so I ran into this guy. He said, you know, I got 10 tires, you know, like I'll sell them to you real cheap. I'll even help you put them on. I got the tools and stuff. I'm like, all right, I'll save some money, put them on myself. Holy crap. I was down for like a week after that. I'm like, forget it. Forget it. It ain't worth it. And even back then, I think it was only like 50 bucks a tire to like unmount and mount it. I'm like, oh, you know. Yeah. Didn't really save anything, did you? I mean, you know, like you start thinking like, man, that's 10 tires. That's 500 bucks. And then like, dude, it's, it's, I'm sure it's more now. I'm sure it's much more now. Or a full week or a full week of my time and pain for the next.

30:41 Yeah. I was dying. How much, how much per day is that worth? You know? Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those calculations. Yeah. And when you're looking at like, you know, even, even, you know, our tractor, those rear tires, that's that's no joke that is not a light little piece of of you know material just the impact gun the one inch impact or three quarter they probably one inch but you know i think those things aren't light yeah yeah yeah it was it was pretty cool when they came out and fixed mine you know and and they don't you know they're yeah it's it's an interesting process it's pretty cool we tried the ether trick with with bird you just didn't put enough on there it's i re-watched the video that's exactly what happened well i mean that's part of it the other part is even if we had gotten the seal the guy from i want to say it's whitley uh whitley automotive and tire tire and tire and some they're in marshville great great folks i wish i had their name because i'd plug them right now and I'll come back to it at some point.

31:50 But, you know, they didn't even like, you know, when they came to put it back on, they had to take the tire all the way off and then cool the rim because the paint, some of it had started to chip. And so even if we had gotten a seal, it would have just been a matter of, you know, hours, days, minutes before it popped that seal again. So yeah, no, you just, you chickened out. Oh yeah. I stood back. Well, I've seen a tire pop before and I'm not, I don't want anything to do with that crap, dude. That is not cool. I was working at a gas station. They had a garage. I was in the box, right? The bulletproof booth box. But you know, my glass is going like this straight over the left-hand side. If I'm facing towards the little slide out drawer, uh, left-hand side is, is facing into the garage.

32:46 the bays in the garage and a guy was was doing something and he walked away forgot it on there tire thing on it and it just boom dude i mean it rocked the equipment that it was up on and everything i mean it was it was insane that's a lot yeah those big tires they have those metal cages that they inflate them in you know but like even when those things like that's a one-time use deal when those things explode they're done it deforms them all out of shape and but i mean it saves your life i guess yeah yeah yeah because that that was i mean i was pretty yeah it it caught me off guard let's put it that way i jumped i had that happen to me on a lawnmower tire like you know like a bigger like a commercial riding mower put a little bit too much in it and the bead blew off and it was a little you know oh yeah yeah no it's it's pretty sketchy it's amazing how much pressure goes in there and that it you know kind of self-seals in its own right bead up against the metal you know there's nothing like physically i mean there is there's there's you know pressure that's holding it but there's nothing other than that right it's not like it's locked in a channel or anything like that it's just pressure holding it up against there which is it's pretty have you ever used one of those uh the brand name is like a cheetah but one of those uh it's a big air tank with a quick release valve to set the bead on the tires?

34:14 Like you pull the valve real quick and it shoots a blast of air in there? I've seen them. The guy that came to do my tractor tire, that's how he did mine. Yeah, he had a compressor that he filled a tank, and then the tank went, and then at a certain point he just went like this. Oh, yeah, instantly. It's loud. Yeah. It was pretty cool. But no, I've never used one. Yeah, no, the fun thing is, you know, like you have the new guy, They're like, hey, take the Cheeto over there. You got to clean the nozzle. Just get a five-gallon bucket of water and put it in there and release the valve.

34:55 You're wearing five gallons of water. Pretty much that's how that works, yeah. Oh, man. Got to take the bucket apart, too, man. Not really? I don't know. Wow. That's insane. That would be funny. That's way better. I mean, it won't hurt you. It just gets you soaking wet and a little irritated. Yeah. Do not do workplace pranks at your work. You'll probably get fired. Things are changed a little bit these days, probably. That's true. You know, we used to get away with so much stuff. We used to just have shenanigans all the time. I never engaged in it because I didn't like it. Because these guys would go back and forth.

35:36 And then the one guy, like, we had these lockers there. and he ended up with like grease in his boots and like i'm like dude don't ever do that to me because that's no that's too much that's too much and then uh like the one guy pissed off the mechanic so he actually went out to his pickup truck he had an old ford ranger and he wired up the uh one of the spark plug wires he took it right off the coil and wired up to the uh everything was metal back then so like the ignition key so when he goes to start his truck every time he He turned the key, he'd zap himself because the coil was wired directly to the ignition switch on this old Ford, right? So he's like, man, my truck keeps shocking me every time I go to start it.

36:19 They actually got it started. And, of course, it's putting power through there. And then now you can't turn it off because, I mean, those things, like 30,000 volts or 100,000, I don't know what they are, but it's like hold on to a taser. Yeah, it's got to be a good jump, that's for sure. I'm like, man, I don't want no part of that stuff. I mean, I've zapped myself with one before doing the old starter trick with a long-speed driver, but my thumb was over the handle. And yeah, that's hot. I mean, it's hot, hot. It hurts a lot. Not good. Yeah, so I wouldn't advise anybody doing those pranks, especially now, these days.

37:02 yeah i i was in it right early on my my younger years so i worked construction but then i ended up going into it uh but we would do pranks on each other but it was never like you know that bad like one one guy we ended up uh reinstalling his os but we used the russian nice so everything's in Cyrillic right so he comes back and control all delete and he logs on he's like what did you guys do he ended up working like that for like I don't know two weeks he's just like yeah whatever I just it just made it work I was like dang um but yeah and then another guy we he took two week vacation we took a cubicle panel from from storage and we closed his his cube door off so it was all walled off there's no entrance or exit right and then everyone would walk by and take post-it notes or little crumpled pieces of paper and throw them in there and after the two weeks is literally full it's just full he comes back he goes walking to where his door is he looks and he's a tall guy right so he looks over his cube and he's like hmm walks around the other side hmm jumps up over the wall wins in the pile of paper just kind of pushes everything away from the system and just worked like that crazy i mean i do people still do stuff like that crazy

38:41 there's too much cameras and too much uh litigation going on no yeah no i think you probably just be straight up fired for that kind of stuff nowadays you know we just it was you know a different time this was at a big company too it wasn a small company it was a very large company so you know nowadays yeah i pretty sure they just escort you out period like buy but you know oh another one i could think of yeah that we did get in trouble for that one i mean i had no part in it i just observed but uh there was this it was a it was a concrete company so the uh there's this one guy he was just kind of a jerk nobody liked him he's just unreasonably obnoxious to everyone so um i don't even know where they got some guy brought in the so he was a driver we you know concrete mixers you know the trucks with the little spinning things on the back somebody brought in some bowling balls from home and we threw in the back of the truck and when he started up his truck in the way he thought like the the motor blew up or something because man them things made some noise in the back of the truck rolling around back there.

39:55 The boss was not happy about that. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, nobody ratted anybody out. And they never did find out who did it. Yeah. I mean, we used to do what I just talked about. We did all kinds of silly stuff. I mean, we had these things called degaussing coils. Do you know what that is? Yeah. Okay. So big coil, electromagnetic coil. Well, I mean, in a smaller set, like I know you can magnetize like screwdrivers and things and demagnetize them, but, or actually you can use that for like, um, erasing, uh, media, right? Like tapes and things. We, we used it for, for a, well, we had a very rigid thing we had to do.

40:42 So we would degauss, uh, hard drives when we pulled them back and then we would open the tops and we'd pull the platters out. and we would pull the head units out of the case as well. Case would go one thing, head units in another, and then all the platters would get taken over to this room, like a cinder block room, and there were hooks on the wall, and you just hung the platters, and then they'd bring a guy in to sandblast it. So they would sandblast the platters into fine little bits of metal dust. That's just to erase all the data that was on them? yeah and then after that they would take the sand and the sand went to a furnace it was a you know uh it was a a shop involved with you know uh i figured yeah something like that high security stuff so they were pretty crazy yeah i mean they would have like you know tech refreshes would come along with pcs and we'd have to you know clean out all the cases and everything and then we'd have to you know dump the cases and and stuff and even cards you know graphics cards sound cards whatever we had uh in dumpsters and we were like you know can we just grab some cases you know because that you know i mean that's a you know right bit of money saved and they were like nope no no can do and i was like why they were like no because case they you It's just one of those weird rules.

42:14 If it goes into a facility like that, then it doesn't really come out. You'll find all kinds of really old technology in some government offices because you can't pull it out, so they just add on. I see. Yeah, you'll find 10Base2 connections. Now I'm losing my brain. Ringnet, or token. I have no idea. stuff with any of that stuff is yeah okay but you'll see you know bnc connectors anyone that knows will know what i'm talking about you'll see all of this stuff and then you'll see you know rj45 and you know stuff for standard ethernet as well and it'll just be like a wall with like a bunch of different plates where someone's sitting just over time they just add it because a cable goes in they you can't take a cable out just a cable an ethernet cable you know unless you have a special pass, which is a property removal pass, which is, is hard, harder to come by.

43:18 I had really, but, um, well, yeah, it was essential for what I did, but you know, even then it's just, you know, that, that was an interesting thing. Yeah. That sounds like an interesting gig to have. Yeah. It was, it was, it was pretty fun. I've, I've enjoyed my life. in technology. I really have for the most part. There's the technology, the working with stuff, all that kind of stuff has always been fun and interesting to me. There's never been a time where I was like, yeah, I really don't like this aspect of it. It's usually other things that make it less fun.

43:59 Like everybody and his brother saying, hey, my computer don't work. Can you look at it for me? Right. Or you forgot to File your TPS report. Oh, I have paperwork. Did you get the memo? I'll send you the memo. No, I got the memo. Oh, four people coming to you. Where's your TPS report? That's from a movie. Oh, I've never seen it. Oh, hilarious. If you've ever worked in a cubicle, that movie is, you'll love it. Yep. Check it out. That and the, what's that other movie? Conspiracy Theory? yeah conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson in it oh that's a really really good movie really good yeah it's pretty interesting too well yeah we can watch it oh you do?

44:55 you gotta go down to Blockbuster and rent it there you go we're talking about there's one left right yeah i think it's their their headquarters in oregon and that's it yeah no it came up the other the other day is uh i guess aol cut their uh their dial-up service finally yeah i was surprised to learn that there was about 140 000 people still on dial-up as of like 23 2023 well i'm not i'm not you've got some rural people and and probably some business users even that would just use it for whatever, like QuickBooks or something like that. I don't need high-speed internet. I don't need a hundred and some odd dollar monthly bill. I've got a phone line. I have to use it for my business. I can just dial up at the end of the day when we're closed, put the voicemail on. So it just routes everyone to voicemail, dial up, do my QuickBooks and I'm done. I mean, what percentage of private individuals still have a landline, do you think?

46:00 i wouldn't think it's very many it's not that i i saw something on this and i want to say it's like in the 20 or 20 range or something like that um like we have one oh you do because our well our internet at first was dsl so dsl is over a phone line yeah so you'll find situations like that a lot of rural areas where dsl is really the only option for anything resembling high speed you know and that's not high speed do you have a fax machine oh no i do not no i i won't have a fax machine really why not yeah uh i why would i want a fax machine asking no i don't want cameras either but never say never well i want to find what's going on if there's anything with the chicken coop so if someone wants to watch my chickens hey man you know you should i seen a guy that that's all you're gonna see is chickens you're gonna see chicken pen you might catch a glimpse of our barn but you know there's a guy it was probably like 10 years ago he had a chicken cam my father would told me about he's like oh this guy's got a chicken cam and then he would have like you you put a donation thing and it's got a little uh automated feeder so he was making money off people paying to feed the chickens.

47:26 I thought it was a pretty clever idea, right? Same idea. You know, you put 25 cents into one of them things and feed the goats at a petting zoo or something. Just the new way of doing it. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I like it. Drop some mealworms. I can build it. Maybe you can just help code it. Sure, sure. I'm not a web designer, but we'll figure it out. There's enough tools out there. We can make it work. We have a website. We do. Do you remember what it is? Yeah, let's tell everybody what it is. I have no idea.

48:08 Spacetomatoes.net. That's what I was going to guess it was. You would guess. yeah and and you can reach us at uh either havoc at space tomatoes.net or lx at space tomatoes have expel with a k h-a-v-o-k it is with a k h-a-v-o-k i'm just the letter lx that's it it's difficult yeah two letters lx so what do you guys got going on for this my wife is with her cousin shopping, looking at new clothes. Her cousin's lost a bit of weight and looking for clothes to fit.

48:49 They're happily doing that while I am not because I do not enjoy that kind of thing. Do I have a sting? You do? I didn't even notice. Now that you pointed it out, everybody's going to notice. We're going to have to redo this whole thing. Someone's going to notice it way back when. like 48 minutes ago. I feel like a graphic on there or something like blurred out. We're matching right now. Oh yeah, kind of. Literally. Looks like it. Matching right now. Is that green or is it black and just the lighting looks different? No, it's green. It's the same color. I don't know where it came from. Carhartt? Well, yeah, okay.

49:30 I mean, I think my wife got it for Christmas or just got it or whatever, but it is literally like yeah put your put your arm up a little bit no other one there we go nice i i was almost gonna wear the the backwards hat thing today to kind of copy you too but yeah there you go i don't have a nice hat so i said no well i i have one but it's like a closed back hat and it looked like a beanie so i'm like nah that ain't gonna work yeah yeah then you can't like pull the poof i know I mean like the way I pull my hair back It makes me look like I've got a big forehead I think I need to get a haircut It's coming November That's covered Yeah we're going to go to a place I'm ready Tell them what you want They'll trim up your Your schnizzle too They don't need to touch that Yeah Just trim it up and make it look a little nicer How do this?

50:35 No, no See, fixed Fixed Look how easy that was The Amish ninja No work at all on anybody's part Watch me hide my beard No, it's time for a haircut It's been long enough I'm just Yeah We're going to go do that Alright Yeah, I was getting all ready for that? We're making plans. All kinds of things. Yeah. It's less than three months away now. I'm excited.

51:16 One of my favorite times of year. Maybe we can do another podcast. We should. I'll bring all the crap with me. Okay. Bring your camera too. We'll try and get two cameras in there. We'll do multi-cam and stuff like that. Is that like a multi-pass? Multi-cam. Yeah, it's just where you have two different camera angles, so you can kind of switch camera angles and, you know, view either everyone in the room or, you know, whatever. We'll see. We'll try and set it up nice and, you know, as professionally as we can. But I think that would be fun. We'll see who wants to do it. I don't know. I got two mics, so. I've got another couple mics.

51:58 We've got plenty. You've got a splitter with the – how many inputs you got on that thing? I have four that i can use right now but i can also jack in if we wanted to i could jack in my my quad into one of them and have eight monitors total so almost everyone could be there we're gonna just rotate rotate personnel in and out whatever uh i don't know we'll see who signs up put the sign up sheet right outside your door there yeah maybe we'll even try the uh camera thing get the little wireless ones and and do something outside too my wife was uh considering doing a like when or if this puppy thing comes along i mean we're thinking it probably will be i'm not sure when but to document the uh the puppy or whatever start making some videos i think it's a good idea i do i think people like that kind of stuff those little handheld gimbals are pretty affordable now yeah and especially if you get some good antics in there you know i told her we'll just start with like a cell phone i don't think we need to buy a purpose built camera or anything yeah i think you're probably right it's probably camera phones are pretty decent these days they're really good actually i mean there's there's a lot of people that that have you know really good looking podcasts their camera is their phone

53:28 honestly I mean if they have a new I mean like Apple iPhones aren't cheap but for a thousand bucks you should be getting a good camera right it's probably better than these webcams I would think even though you know yeah they are really good we're looking at the specs I don't know how many megapixels a new iPhone is but they're up there oh yeah yeah no they're really good it's really more you know it's less about that it's it's uh you know with a camera you can do you have a little bit more flexibility and you can certainly get into pro mode and and set that up in your phone right um and then the the bigger mp the bigger piece to me really is is when it comes to audio right with the right kind of camera you can put an xlr they've got xlr inputs you can put an xlr you know mic or a shotgun mic on it and really dial in the audio and to be honest with you the audio is is now the bigger challenge uh in the whole editing process can you hook up one of those little lavalier or lapel mics to a phone probably right probably bluetooth yeah oh yeah for sure yeah everything's coming down in price it's getting fairly affordable especially if you go a little bit a little bit off brand but even like the road the road stuff is affordable enough it is it is and and those those little wireless me's they run you know deals with those uh or

55:04 you know you'll see a deal with some of their like like their little uh they have they have smaller like road caster stuff or whatever um you know cheaper stuff and it'll all work well And I'm actually a pretty big fan of this Rodecaster. Yeah, Rode makes pretty good stuff. I mean, when I was originally looking for a microphone several years ago, I was considering the one you got, the Electro voice there. They were just a little bit out of my budget, so I decided to go with this one. I think it sounds pretty decent for the price point that they hit. And it's been several years, and it still sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, and you've got the Shure. which one is the road nt1 oh it is the road okay yeah no that's really i like it i really like this one yeah you know i've i i did some checking with the this thing has a really the range on it is really good and and it you know i'm just i really like it i like it doesn't you know yours sounds yours looks cool to be honest yeah it gets a neat shock mount i i like the way you know it looks it it's pretty cool i like it hello mr microphone yeah yeah no it is very susceptible though like yours doesn't seem to be as susceptible to this right i think it's a little bit more forgiving yeah

56:39 yeah mine on the other hand is kind of like if you're not talking into the microphone it's not picking right correctly but well that one there yours is more um professional level i think it's that's pretty much the standard in the broadcast industry i mean it has been for years yeah that or the the sm7 those are nice too yeah i i don't like the sound profile on them i did a lot of looking when we were when we were going through all this and i was watching stuff and like uh saw a few videos of people comparing them right like you know sound professionals and i would close my eyes and this one just sounded it sounded more natural all the way through the sure seemed to me like it kind of it it muffled it a little bit right it takes and and then when you look at the sound the waveform you can see that it's got a drop off in in like the in certain ranges whereas the ev is way more far right so you you pick up everything from the low down all the way up to the high you know and it really you know comes across the mic really nicely. And so that's, that's what made me end up.

58:03 And in the beginning I was, I was dead set on the seven B right. Oh, you were okay. Because I really was because, you know, it's considered the standard. But then the more you look at it, you look at, if you look at it in the podcaster world, there's a lot of SM seven B a lot predominant, I would say. but if you look in the broadcast world there i think there's more of the the ev20s than there are uh sm7bs and i think part of that is that range the ability to be i mean it's it you know it's listed as you know you can use it for a kick drum okay right so it's got the range to be used as a kick drum mic as well as vocals uh you know primary vocals even right so like like so all i i do know the SM7B, I guess Michael Jackson recorded Thriller with that one.

58:59 That's all I really know. Yeah, it's an amazing mic. It really is. It's got some features that I wish I had, but at the same time I just like the sound. I like the sound of this one. I really do. And it's weird. You can tell the difference. If you use a different mic, you'll notice. If we were here, we switched, we would probably both sound completely different. yeah it's just how it is so it's an interesting thing it is now now now everybody's bored to death and they're like turning off they're like microphone talk yeah oh thank you yeah well you don't know though because we're not live so i can always just chop it up they just want to hear you drop the f-bomb about you know governmental agencies and their overreach that's what they're here for don't let them fool you that's that's just that's just a day in the life that's all that is i just can't think of anything they've made better in general you know so like that old milton friedman quote if you put the government federal government in charge of the sahara desert in five years there be a shortage of sand and it true i have no doubt about that they in some way it would happen I don know how Like there just endless amounts of sand and we out We got no more sand guys We figured out this one trick.

1:00:27 We can use sand for debt. And tax you on it somehow, I'm sure. Or double tax you on it. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Maybe next time we can go down the whole property tax route and get on that again. That fires me up every time I think about it. it does it's it's ridiculous that you would buy property but that you're essentially you never own it you just rent it from the government you know and that that to me is a travesty it's absolutely anti anti the principles right of of the founding of this country it's it's absolutely 100 i mean And I think if any of them heard someone come along and say, yeah, you own it, but if you don't pay our tax every year, we'll just come take it from you.

1:01:18 I think they would all be shooting. I mean, the governor here in Florida is talking about putting it on the ballot to repeal the property tax or maybe extending the homestead exemptions. I'm not really sure. I mean, but the money for the infrastructure has to come from somewhere. I'm not sure exactly. I haven't looked into it enough. I don't know where it's going to come from, but I'm sure they're going to try to put their hand in your pocket somehow. I would just say, you know, honestly, look, first off, I'm not, you know, taxation in general. Well, it's theft, right? It's just stealing. It's what it is. If anyone else did it, you wouldn't call it taxes.

1:01:59 You would call it theft. Anyone, no matter how big the group was, how many people, how much they touted, how they are the authority, you would call it exactly what it is. Theft. Even if they used it for stuff that you may agree with and stuff you don't agree with, you'd still call it theft. But for some reason, if you put on this magical uniform and go through a magic ceremony, all of a sudden it's no longer theft, it's taxation. It's totally cool. So, you know, but, and like you said, there are infrastructure needs, I guess. Right. I think personally, we, we, I have a differing opinion on that.

1:02:43 Right. People will pay for what they need, period. They will. They'll pay for in one way or another. Right. Example. And I love to use this one. Nobody, nobody from any agency manages the 300 yards of driveway. that I have to upkeep. Nobody. Not one single person. But somehow it's still flat and you can still drive over it. You see where I'm going with this? So yeah, infrastructure is great. It's great for business. It's great for big business. It's great for things of that nature. It allows us to have things like amazon as you know this conglomerate you know semi-monopoly on stuff right but is that really necessary or is that just like oh we'd like this and and it's cool and would you fund it if it was coming directly out of your pocket to fund exactly that thing or would you be like yeah no i can go to the local store right i missed i missed the local store even though we're slightly more expensive I think it's probably worth it yeah I think my opinion is in the minority these days that's what drove our economy right for the longest time and we were very prosperous under that you know and I'm not going to say it's the corporations because it's not it has nothing

1:04:15 to do with that and a lot of people want to point to that but it's not those corporations didn't get where they are without massive help from government. You know, BMW comes in here and says, Hey, we're going to, you know, open up a plant. We're going to, you know, maybe employ 10,000 employees, you know, all told all in, you know, we will, we will increase, you know, the amount of jobs by 10,000. It's not all them, right? Maybe it is, but you know, you've got other stuff. And so the, the, the state comes in and goes, Oh, okay, well, you know what? We're going to need to build a freeway off ramps and on ramps for you. We're going to put in a rail line that goes directly to your plant. So you can just drop the cars right on top of the rail and boom, they go shipping off. We're going to offer you basically tax exemptions to the point of no taxes. We're going to give you this property pretty much, and we're going to help you build all this infrastructure and get it all set up.

1:05:15 Well, if that didn't exist, you see what I'm saying, right? And so… But if it's BMW, the repair technicians will stay in business for a long time. You know, you know, in my opinion. Well, when you have to drop a transmission to change the oil filter, yeah. Buddy had one, and that was the case. I guess you had to loosen up the transmission and drop it a little bit to get to the oil filter. And I'm sure BMW folks have some tools. BMWs are great cars, as long as they're under warranty. Right, yeah.

1:05:56 But so, you know, the same thing with Amazon, right? They didn't get there because they, you know, did all this. They, they got infrastructure incentives and were, were basically, you know, given the opportunity to grow and increase and, and become this conglomerate that they are, you know, and, and if you look at any real industry, uh, you'll see the same, you know, it doesn't matter. So I don't blame the corporations, uh, you know, and I don't blame the consumers. Right. Um, although there's a hand in that as well, you know, when people are like, Hey, I, you know, the local shop has it for 20, but I can get it on Amazon for, you know, uh, and you spend on Amazon, you got no business sitting there ordering from Amazon and being like, those corporations, you know, STFU put your money where your mouth is.

1:06:51 buy from the local store, buy it a little more expensive and realize that you're putting that directly into your local economy for someone's family that runs that little business, you know, as opposed to Jeff Bezos bottom line across, you know, billions of, of, you know, whatever. Well, I mean, he's got to, you know, it's expensive sending celebrities into orbit or space or whatever on rocket ships, dude, it's not cheap. Right. So he's got, he's got to make his mind yeah and again i you know no no issue with that but they wouldn't be where they are they wouldn't have the the the reach the power or the wealth that they have without all of those government handouts and subsidies uh etc it just it wouldn't be possible right just wouldn't you know bmw would have never opened that plant if they would have had to had their own rail line and tie it in and get all the permits and all the stuff for a new rail line you know we're talking you know that's not small stuff right i mean those heavy heavy heavy trains you know so you just make a note here government surveillance taxation you have to keep those in ways ways to get me riled up it doesn't take much honestly it really doesn't. It's such a ridiculous, ridiculous thing. Oh, and if anyone is interested, there's

1:08:28 a really good movie out It called The Jones Plantation And if you interested in something that I think is actually a really well done movie it enjoyable to watch And it basically does a parallel to a plantation back in the day, yes, with slaves, et cetera. And our governmental system in general, and it's a really fascinating movie. So if you want to go check that out, it's The Jones Plantation. I believe you can get it on Amazon.

1:09:10 You can get it on, I think, I know you can get it on Amazon. I don't think it's on Netflix. I'm pretty sure you can get it on Vudu or FanDango. The Jones Plantation is what it's called. Yeah, yeah. And you can also go to their website, the Jones plantation, I think is the website. I am not positive, but if you, if you just do a search for the Jones plantation movie, it should come right up. This is really well done. I think very, very much worth the watch. Yeah. And no status propaganda at all.

1:09:53 Maybe I'll check it out. I'm not a real big movie person. Maybe I'll check it out. i like it i like it yeah i also got a bunch of gift cards so maybe we'll do a a little uh live session and and a giveaway if we can figure out how to make that work and be random and and all the good stuff it's a big time yeah everybody comes for a giveaway i even used to go on those uh those dragon the stream things that the pocket gems used to do for free free free crap everybody loves free crap right who wants a right i got a couple of those i got a poster once and uh i don't know some other garbage yeah man no i'm i'm with you yeah i'd be happy to do that i've got a few of them we could we could do like we're just gonna figure out the chat thing because we're like on multiple platforms i know i know you'll tell everybody in a minute everything that we're on but we're just on multiple platforms and I don't know how you follow the chat and all those, where you just tell everybody, hey, come to YouTube so we can chat with you.

1:11:02 Yeah, we'll probably just open it up live. I'll figure something out. I know there's a way you can do it so it streams to the services. That's beyond my expertise. That's exactly what I was trying to say. That was it, yeah. And then we just need to find a willing victim to manage some of the chat stuff, I think maybe, or I can probably maybe take it on, but we'll figure something out. I think we'll do a long session. To zap all the Russian bots or whatever. Right. Exactly. Zap the scams and spams. Oh, that stuff's so annoying.

1:11:43 It's everywhere. Well, you know, the worst part about that is, in my opinion, not that it occurs, the worst part about that is it's still occurring continuously. And the only reason it's still occurring continuously is because there's still people out there stupid enough to fall for this crap. I see it every day. If people just in general stopped falling for it, they wouldn't be doing it. They're like the mass emailers, right? They just blast it out to as many people and then they get a couple of hooks and next thing you know, they got someone, right? So, you know, the best way to stop them, the absolute best stop falling for that crap period, you know, just stop.

1:12:29 Right. Yeah. If you get a call or a text or an email from someone, your bank, a bank freaking whatever, it doesn't matter. You've got your card, flip it over on the back as a number. You call that number and say, Hey, I got this. and they'll tell you whether or not that's a legitimate and valid thing. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever talk to anyone that calls you. Even when my bank calls me on fraud alert, I'm like, yeah, I don't know this number and I hear you and you want to validate my info, but I don't know you. I don't know this number. I'm not talking to you. So hang up. And then I flip my card over and I call the number on the back. Hey, is there really a problem? Oh yes, that was our fraud team. Okay. Sorry, but I'm not going to give you information when you're the one initiating the phone call. No freaking way.

1:13:31 There's just too much of that stuff out there. Now, if I get, you get the text and it says, you know, you blah, blah, blah, and you reply yes, if it was you or no, that's fine. But if you get a text saying, hey, we need you to verify or, hey, click this link or any of that kind of crap, just freaking no. Just no. Just don't do it, right? Stop being evicted. I could give a two-hour lesson on all the scams to avoid on the Internet. I see them constantly. Constantly. Yeah. Yeah, same. I see bunches of them. Some of them are meant to just lure you in so they can grab information from you. You know, and there's all varying levels of them.

1:14:12 They're not all just a direct scam. Some of them are information gathering so that they have a pool of information for another scam. It's like these surveys, you know, oh, your birth month, your birthday. This is your name. And next thing you know, you're sitting there and then another survey is like, oh, you're, you know, first initial and your last initial. And, you know, this is your name. And you're like, oh, I'm a potato head, you know. And what you're doing is you're just basically giving people, hey, we know what your first name starts with, your last name starts with, we know your birthday, we know, you know what I mean? And you've just given this to find out if you're a potato or something. I mean, I've seen those things on Facebook, you know, like, I bet you can't remember your kindergarten teacher's name and your first pet's name.

1:14:59 And there are literally people who go into it. in puddles or whatever, you know, and they'll put it right on there. Never putting together, hey, my secret questions. Those sound a lot like these, don't they? I bet you can't remember your first car and what color it was. All of them, you know, they're all trying to just gather. I'm sure they compile that stuff and do well with it. I don't know. The one I've seen a lot of is they'll grab realty pictures off, you know online there and put them up and you know you could rent to own this home for 550 a month you know no money down like nobody's buying a house for 550 a month it's just not going to happen right so at best they're just trying to steal your information at worst they're going to try to get you for you know some kind of down payment and you'll never see it again there's another one that we actually got caught up in in florida it's a big it's a big deal apparently because we we ran into it multiple times and we only got caught up in it one time but it's people that'll post out you know rental properties but you have to submit your application fee with your application for background and credit check no credit check happened no nothing because we had all our stuff locked down with flagging and you know and they just take your application fee. These guys are just out there taking in 30 to 50 bucks per person that applies.

1:16:31 I was wondering about that. I was joking with my wife the other day. I'm like, Hey, you know what we need to do? We need to put our house up for rent and charge the $50 application fee with no intent to rent it Like I mean who who monitors that Who who does anything about that There a whole there a whole scam industry in Florida that does that And I found this after going through that. And we were just trying to get an apartment for our oldest. You know what I mean? And so it's not uncommon for an application fee with background and credit check. Okay, it's reasonable. But there's some red flags.

1:17:12 namely again no credit check was had occurred right so there was never even an intent nice right so and we know this because we would have gotten flagged right you would have got a ding for the credit check right well it would have it was locked okay so when they tried to do it it would have been you know no sorry you can't you know can't get to that we also so we had a neighbor that was a snowbird they'd only come down for a couple weeks a year and the house is vacant most the rest of the time. They've since sold it now. But we had somebody knock on the door once and say, hey, do you know anything about this house? And I'm like, what about it? I'm like, oh, we were on this ad on Craigslist or whatever, and it's for sale or for rent for $850 a month. And I'm like, you're not renting that house. It's like gigantic.

1:18:02 It's like 4,500 square feet or something. You're not renting that for $850 a month. It's just not happening. And then, yeah, somebody's trying to obviously scam them to get the money out of them. Yeah, there's a lot of scams of people. That's been one, I think, that's fairly recent that I've heard of it. But, yeah, exactly. People, they're doing it around here, too. They're posting properties for rent that they don't own. They have nothing to do with. And, you know, scamming people out of money. You know? it's kind of a not kind of it's a really especially you know because if you're having a move most people don't have like extraneous money to put down like for that so they've probably saved up and they got you know enough for first last and security whatever and it's probably like close to all that they have and to give that to somebody and then they're stuck what are they going to do after that yeah so just be very careful that's all yeah yeah just verify everything that's that's it right i mean look if it's if it's for rent even by a private person it's going to be listed somewhere not just craigslist or facebook marketplace or something next door it's going to be listed somewhere and you can go online it's you know most places have public records and they have an online thing you could look up the property and the owner's name and all that stuff and make sure everything jives and if it doesn't

1:19:35 start asking lots of questions yeah yep no just just find a property through you know a more reliable and trustworthy source like a realtor or an agency i think a lot of these which sucks because they take a cut right but at the same time you end up in a place that you know you know just don't get scammed but yeah in in general just do your due diligence there's you know there's almost always a way that you can easily determine if this is factual or not just like the the phone the email the the text message you know oh you have to do this or you know your account's going to be cut off pick up the back call the freaking card company call your bank and talk to them. You know, you don't just click on links, you know, and no Microsoft, Apple, none of these people are going to ever fricking contact you and tell you, you've got a problem with your computer ever. They don't care. They don't, it's not their business model. They don't have staff for that. They don't, they won't. I've been in technology for, I don't know, 30 years.

1:20:44 No, they do not do this ever, ever for any purpose. There is never, ever, ever going to be someone from microsoft that reaches out to you to fix your freaking computer not going to happen ever are you sure like if you put in a call you can pay for a support call and you might get a call back after you've paid etc but they're not going to call you out of the blue and go oh we've detected your computer has a virus bullshit no they don't care dude not even the antivirus company is going to call you for that we don't even answer the phone if it's important they'll leave a message yeah it's i wish i could right if my work unfortunately requires that i answer the phone at least during business hours you know and even after hours because we you know sometimes stuff has to get done but you know uh most of the people that i interact with i have their numbers etc but yeah every once in a while i still get the random call and it's just like click done nice yeah no time for you or your shenanigans although sometimes i have ruthlessly fucked with those people i don't have time for that i don't have the patience for that i was i was bored and i got a call from one of these people you know this is i'm from microsoft and your computer you know blah blah blah blah blah and i'm like oh no really and they were like

1:22:14 yeah. And I'm like, okay, well, what do I do? And they're like, okay, go get in front of your computer. And I'm like, okay. And they're like, turn it on. Or they're like, okay, go to this website. And I'm like, well, there's no webpage. And they're like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, there's no webpage. You told me that I should just go to my computer, but it's, there's no webpage. And they're like, well, is your screen on? I'm like, no. They're like, well, you have to turn it on. I'm like, oh, okay, so give me a few minutes. Then I turn it on, and then after a while, I'm like, well, it says a web page cannot be loaded. And they're like, what's going on? I'm like, oh, my internet's not working.

1:22:57 Well, how do I fix that? And then, okay, a few minutes, let me reboot the router, and blah, blah, blah. Why is this string them along? Yeah, well, the more time they're spending with me, the less time they have to deal with someone else. So, you know, it's just like, you know, the guy got so frustrated at one point. Did he yell at you eventually? Yeah, he was awesome, too. He goes, mother bitch. And I was just laughing. I mean, like, mother bitch. That's a new one. You guys got to work on your cusp things there. You know, it just doesn't work.

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