Episode 04: Inside the Crime Scene

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Before we begin, please be
advised that this episode

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contains graphic descriptions of
violence as presented during the

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trial. Please take care while
listening. It's Wednesday,

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January 15, 2025 by now, we the
jurors, are moving into the

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routine of our new job. The
lobby call at our hotel has

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become a steady expectation, and
once we're in our jury room at

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the courthouse, everyone just
kind of moves into their spot. I

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think by this point, we had all
gotten a taste for the task at

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hand. There was no exiting this
scenario. It was just time to

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move in and do the job. It was
only day three of the trial.

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After all, a knock at the door
signaled it was time. We

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gathered our things, lined up,
and took the solemn walk across

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the hallway into the courtroom.
The door of the courtroom held

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open by one of our deputies as
we stepped inside. Everyone is

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standing as we make our way into
the jury box. I make it to my

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seat in the front row, third
chair in I mentioned in a

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previous episode that 14 of the
blue office style jury chairs

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were bolted to the ground, seven
in the front row and seven in

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the back but there were 16
jurors sitting through this

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trial. The four alternates
wouldn't be selected until just

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before the deliberation phase.
So that meant two extra chairs

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had to be added to accommodate
all 16 of us, a matching free

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standing blue office chair on
wheels sat at the end of each

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row. The back row's extra chair
stayed put throughout the trial,

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but the front row now that was a
different story. The way the

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jury box was designed meant that
the extra chair had to be added

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after we all took our seats. So
every single time we entered the

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room, 15 of us would file in
with the entire courtroom

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standing mind you and quietly
take our seats in the utter

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silence that filled the air, and
then clunk, a bailiff would

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maneuver the final 30 pound
rolling blue office chair into

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the last block of space in the
front row of the jury box, then

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the last juror was finally able
to take her seat. This too had

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become a part of the routine,
but today felt different when we

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stepped into the courtroom this
time, my eyes immediately went

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to the floor in front of the
jury box, where a large blue

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tarp had been laid out, covering
the space just feet from where I

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would take my seat. I didn't
know exactly what was coming,

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but I knew one thing. Today we
were stepping into the crime

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scene.

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This is sequestered a juror's
perspective on the murder trial

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for Jasmine pace. I'm Sarah
juror number 11 each episode,

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I'll take you inside the
courtroom, behind the scenes and

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into the weighty moments of this
trial as we honor Jasmine's life

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and navigate the complexities of
seeking justice, let's Begin.

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This is Episode Four inside the
crime scene you

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the prosecution called their
next witness to the stand,

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Michelle Johnson, a seasoned
crime scene investigator with

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years of experience. Michelle
was a middle aged woman with

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shoulder length blonde hair,
wearing glasses and a light blue

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pantsuit with a black blouse,
serious and guarded, she carried

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herself with the confidence of
someone who had seen it all. She

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was stern yet soft spoken, and
gave the distinct impression

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that she wouldn't be easily
swayed. Plainly put, Michelle

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Johnson was no rookie. This
wasn't the first crime scene she

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had stepped into. Everyone who
entered that apartment saw it

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through their own lens, the pace
family searching for answers and

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investigators piecing together
evidence. But Johnson, she had

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one focus, honed by experience.
She was looking for blood, and

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she found it.

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There was blood everywhere,
smeared behind the couch, on the

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door frame, spattered on the
wall and soaked into the tile

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grout and carpet. Johnson
described the Blue Star reaction

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as one of the strongest she'd
ever seen.

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How would you describe the Blue
Star reaction that you yourself

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observed inside Mr. Chin's
apartment

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during the intense and long
iteration it was the. It

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probably be the most I've ever
seen on reaction on the

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bathroom.

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Star reaction in strong blue.
Star reaction in the bathroom.

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Yes. Is there a strong food?
Star reaction in the

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bedroom? Yes. Next,

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the prosecution displayed a
diagram of Chen's apartment,

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depicting the layout of the
unit, along with a couple of

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dozen circled numbers written in
each number represented with a

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marker that pointed to a piece
of evidence. Leading the

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questioning was chief homicide
prosecutor Paul Moyle, working

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in tandem with Michelle Johnson
to methodically present the

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crime scene evidence, tall and
slender with short reddish blond

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hair and a neatly trimmed beard,
Moyle had the air of a

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prosecutor who had spent years
dissecting cases just like this

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one, dressed in a sharp three
piece gray suit, a crisp white

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button down and a navy blue tie,
he exuded quiet authority,

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polished, prepared and precise.
If Johnson was the steady,

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unshakable witness, Moyle was
her perfect counterpart,

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relentless, measured and razor
sharp in his approach, he didn't

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grandstand or overplay his hand.
Instead, he guided Johnson

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through the evidence with the
confidence of a prosecutor who

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knew exactly how to build his
case, brick by brick, with a

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nod, he now directed her
attention to a large evidence

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box sitting on the floor just
outside of the witness stand

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inside a seven foot section of
blood stained carpet cut

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straight from the floor of Jason
Chen's apartment. Prosecutor

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Moyle asked CSI Johnson to open
the large evidence box. She

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stepped out of the witness
stand, picked up a pair of

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scissors and began unsealing the
box with Moyes help, the large

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piece of carpet, along with its
blue under padding, would be

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unfolded and laid out on the
tarp just steps in front of the

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jury box. The

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the stain was massive, roughly
the size of a body curled in the

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fetal position. It saturated the
carpet like a dark, haunting

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shadow of what had happened
there. The blood, deep, reddish

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brown, oxidized with thyme, had
not just soaked in, but seeped

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through, penetrating both the
carpet and the padding beneath

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it. This wasn't just a surface
stain. It had saturated and

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pooled all the way to the sub
floor in the last episode,

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during investigator Crawford's
testimony, crime scene photos

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made it impossible to ignore
this grim reality. We saw each

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of these layers peeled back, the
carpet lifted and the under

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patting until the final imprint
was revealed blood pooled on the

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wooden floorboard beneath a
silent witness to the violence

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that had unfolded in that very
spot, with this section of

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carpet now laying on the floor
of the courtroom. Judge

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Patterson invited the jury to
stand for a better perspective.

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I pushed myself up leaning over
the edge of the jury box. From

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this angle, I could see the
underside of the carpet facing

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up where the stain was most
clearly visible. The section of

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carpet was at least seven feet
wide, and Jasmine's blood filled

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more than half of the space. The
sheer scale of it was

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staggering. Later in the trial,
the medical examiner would

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confirm that nearly every ounce
of Jasmine's blood had drained

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from her body, even without that
knowledge, in this moment, I

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stood there staring at the
evidence, unable to shake a

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single overwhelming thought, how
much blood would it take to

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create a stain this big? Here's
a clip of news channel nine's,

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latricia Thomas and Meg Doyle
talking about this part of the

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trial.

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Okay, here's a picture of the
carpet that they brought out

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here I want to bring in now news
channel nine's, Meg dole Meg,

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can you hear me? Okay, here,
yes, I can. Can you hear me? We

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can thank you. So talk to me a
little bit Meg about what was

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going on in the courtroom when
this large piece of carpet that

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the prosecution says has blood
on it was unwrapped and shown to

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the jury and everybody in the
courtroom. Yeah,

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absolutely. So when they brought
out this large piece of carpet.

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It. Obviously people sitting in
the general audience couldn't

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really see it, but the judge
allowed the jury to stand up so

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they could fully evaluate the
carpet, get a good look at it

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the entire duration that the
carpet was pulled out. Michelle

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Johnson, the CSI witness who was
on the stand testimony, she said

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that this carpet, the entirety
of the stain was just over five

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feet. And then there's the one
main stain, which is kind of

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just smack dab in the middle
there. That stain alone is three

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and a half feet by 32 inches. So
obviously a very substantial

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stain there. And the reason why
the crime scene investigators

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did not pick up on this the
first time that they entered

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Jason Chen's apartment and did
their initial search was because

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his bed was over this portion,
and due to the poor lighting in

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his apartment, they were not
able to pick up on this carpet

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and see that there was a stain,
because this thing actually

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seeped through the carpet into
the under layer, all the way to

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the floor. So it obviously it
seeped through multiple layers,

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which shows just how substantial
of a stain this was. So when the

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apartment complex, they said
that they had to completely

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renovate Mr. Chen's entire
apartment because the damage was

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just too substantial. There was
too much cleanup, they said it

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would just be easier to kind of
demolish everything and restart

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with that unit. So when they
during that process, they

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obviously were moving everything
out, moving it around, and came

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upon the stain, and they
immediately stopped what they

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were doing. Called the
investigators, and they

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investigators requested that the
apartment stop all their work

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until they could get back out
there and kind of assess this.

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And obviously this is a large
piece of evidence, so

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thankfully, the apartment
complex did speak up when they

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saw something. I

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also want to mention the glass
fragments, small shards were

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found in the living room. The
jury watched as these fragments

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were admitted into evidence, and
when I say they were tiny, I

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mean minute. You may recall, the
defense argued in their opening

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statement that Jasmine attacked
Chen, first with a wine bottle,

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then with a broken wine glass.
But as CSI Johnson prepared to

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reveal this evidence, the
reality told a different story

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using scissors, Johnson
carefully opened a small

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envelope and emptied the tiny
glass particles onto a black

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piece of paper at moyle's
request. She folded the paper

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into a makeshift bowl, then
passed it to him with deliberate

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steps, Moyle carried it over to
the projector, now magnified on

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the screen the courtroom could
finally see them, the so called

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fragments of a violent struggle.
I'm being generous here, but

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there were maybe 10 pieces of
glass, the largest no more than

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a few centimeters in diameter,
and the rest practically dust.

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Then came Moyes response, I

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don't know.

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Now on to Chen's car, a 2018
gray Toyota Camry sitting parked

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in the impound lot, silent and
unassuming, but investigators

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know better. If there was
nothing to hide, why go to such

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lengths to conceal it in his
parents garage? Forensic teams

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combed through every inch of the
vehicle, dusting for

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fingerprints, swabbing surfaces
and documenting any trace of

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evidence the exterior, the
handles, the seats, nothing was

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overlooked overall. The car
looked pretty clean, but it was

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the trunk that held their
attention. The trunks, rubber

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mat showed unmistakable tracks,
parallel streaks of dirt

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imprinted across its surface,
marks that looked eerily similar

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to the path left by suitcase
wheels with the jury watching

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investigators conduct a side by
side comparison. Once again, the

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suitcase Jasmine's remains were
found in was presented with

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gloves on. Moyle held the
suitcase at a horizontal angle

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so that the wheels were facing
the jury standing next to him,

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Johnson held up the trunk liner,
comparing the wheels of the

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suitcase with the imprints on
the mat. The realization settled

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over the room like a heavy
weight in. Proving this was more

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than just a theory,

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marked measurements on here, and
were they consistent in size?

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Yes. Were they consistent in the
pattern of the two wheels? Yes.

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Finally, the prosecution
introduced a blood spot card, a

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crucial genetic reference used
in forensic testing. This small

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card contained a preserved
sample of Jasmine paces, blood

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collected for DNA comparison
against evidence found at the

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crime scene. Investigators used
it to confirm whether blood

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stains in Chen's apartment or on
any of the other key items

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collected matched Jasmine's DNA.
But the defense wasn't

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satisfied. Defense Attorney
Weiss pushed back questioning

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the collection process and
raising concerns about possible

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contamination, planting seeds of
doubt before the jury. So

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offers. I'm not sure. I know
officers walked through and they

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couldn't have

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contaminated,

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no if there's video of people
going into their crime scene.

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Folks think

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that's important

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to do your job, isn't it harder?
We

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would speak with officers, and
we asked officers anything that

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wouldn't move, anything like
that, but they normally tell us

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if anything has been moved. In
this case, nobody had informed

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us that anything had been moved,

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and he wasn't satisfied with how
the Blue Star test was applied,

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reminding the jury that it's
only a presumptive test, not a

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definitive proof of blood.

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So other than sending off the
list box too. Did you do any

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other scientific tests as a
criminal investigator firm that

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was split just the presumptive
test? Did you least do a patrol

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test that showed the accuracy
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June, that standard operating
procedure that you first. I

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mean, obviously, no matter,
control test based on the

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invisible blood that also
eliminated, that's accurate

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testing that you did. Did you do
a control scientific you know,

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Weiss also pointed out what he
felt was a critical gap in the

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investigation, not all of the
evidence was tested.

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Is that true that not all the
evidence that she left it with

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this investigation was tested?

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But General Moyle had one more
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Walgreens, Walmart, isopropyl
alcohol, bounty, paper towels,

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hydrogen peroxide, all purchased
on November 23 2022 the day

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Jasmine disappeared. The debit
card used for these purchases,

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it matched the one found in
Jason Chen's wallet. And then

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one final unsettling fact, a box
of trash bags that should have

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held 40 now contained only 11 or
12. We already know that

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Jasmine's body had been wrapped
in three layers. Where were the

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other bags? Okay, I get it. We
don't know exactly when Chen

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purchased that box or how many
had already been used before the

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night of November 22 but sitting
in that courtroom, it was

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impossible to ignore the
unspoken question hanging in the

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air, what happened to the rest
of the bags? It's interesting,

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after my sequestration, when my
producer and I went back to

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Chattanooga to visit the
location sites mentioned during

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the trial, we ended up sitting
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Walmart that Chen was seen
visiting. Before leaving, we

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decided to take a drive around
the rear of the building to get

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an idea of their dumpster
situation. We already know that

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the dumpsters at the lofts at
Tremont were thoroughly searched

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and no trash bags containing
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There was a whole lot of blood
in his apartment, and Jason had

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a big mess to clean up. I want
to know where he disposed of all

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that material. I wondered if he
took it with him. On one of

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those trips to Walmart. Here's a
clip of my producer and I

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counting the dumpsters behind
Walmart on that day. Okay, so

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now we're gonna go look for
dumpsters at the Walmart, just

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in case. I'm there's so many
questions I wish I would have

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asked now that I'm on this side
of the case, and this is one of

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them. Not only, why did you
know? Was there any footage

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captured from Walmart's parking
lot of Jason Chen sitting in the

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parking lot? Secondly, were any
dumpsters searched or looked

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looked through? It may have been
totally irrelevant at that

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point, because, you know,
footage may have been obtained

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much later. Dumpsters may have
been dumped by then. I don't

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know, but there could have been
footage potentially. So we are

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going to see what kind of
dumpsters could be around. We

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did talk to one person who
thought the dumpsters would be

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locked up. So let's just go see
what it looks like,

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okay, there's a set of dumpsters
over here too. Okay, yep, so

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there's two dumpsters over here
to the right. There's, there's

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one dumpster up against the the
side wall of Walmart. The ones

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on the right don't even look
like they belong to Walmart, so

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he could have easily put them
there. And as we're turning the

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corner to go on the backside of
Walmart, there are 1234,

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dumpsters lined up that he could
have had access to. And then on

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the other side, opposite of the
rear of Walmart, is a wooded

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area which could have easily had
anything discarded over there.

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So the knife has never been
found, the phone has never been

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found. Bloody towels, any of
this kind of stuff has never

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been discovered, so who knows if
that has ended up in a landfill

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somewhere by now, if it was cast
over into the woods somewhere,

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who knows you

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you know, during sequestration,
I had a lot of time to think,

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and honestly, I kept wishing I
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to the stand prosecutors would
call crime scene investigator

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Kristen Schubert. Schubert was
one of the CSI experts assigned

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to the search of 110 treemont
Street on November 28 2022 her

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role in this search was to apply
the Blue Star forensic agent, a

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chemical designed to react with
traces of blood. These results

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were clearly seen in numerous
evidence photos presented thus

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far in the trial, but the
defense was ready to poke holes

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in Schubert's findings. Could
the reaction have been caused by

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bleach? No bleach was found in
the apartment. But here's a key

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detail, no second test was
performed to confirm that the

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substance was blood

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stars.

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Blue Star is a canal IMS blood
reagent, and investigators use

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it to help identify areas of
interest where the blood may not

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be visible to the naked eye.
When it is applied, it reacts

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with the iron in your blood. And
if there's a positive reaction,

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you'll see that when we were
light blue glow, and that has

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been documented with photographs
and swap of those areas are

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taken for the testing. Have

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you received specialized
training on the application?

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We have received training on the
application

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national forensics Academy. Yes.

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So are there other substances
other than the iron

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and blood that can cause

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a Blue Star reaction? There

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are several false positives with
blue star such as, there's a

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weasel one ferret blood, which
is the odd thing, um, there's

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some root vegetables, some clean
products.

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I'd like to focus on between
products,

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there's all kinds of different
ones. Emission specific will

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give a false positive however,
the reaction looks different

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than that. Of what?

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How does it look different than
that blood,

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depending on how soon it's been
applied, sometimes it can look

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more white. It's not quite as an
intense, long, lasting glow that

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you might get from blood. So
you'll see it, and then it will

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fade rather quickly. And like I
said, sometimes it's not quite

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as blue. It's more of a light,
very, very light blue reaction.

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Next, the prosecution walked
Schubert through the details of

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blood spatter patterns and
directionality, carefully

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analyzing the evidence. Among
the items collected was a gray

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long sleeve sweatshirt removed
from Chen's apartment.

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Investigators also turned their
attention to Jasmine's car, a

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white chevy equinox, the same
vehicle found abandoned on

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mountain creek road. Every inch
was examined, searching for

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anything that could piece
together the final moments

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before her disappearance.

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Suck Creek Road, a quiet, wooded
stretch along the Tennessee

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River in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
It's gorgeous, actually, the

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river raging on one side and on
the other, lush, forested

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landscapes peak between walls of
limestone. Beautiful homes line

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the river's edge as you make
your way into Prentice Cooper

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State Forest. You'll remember
from episode one how beautiful

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and outdoorsy this area is, and
in November, the colors would

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have been stunning on Sut Creek
Road. Later in the trial, we'll

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have insight into the casual
moments of jasmine and Jason's

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relationship. Just days before
she went missing, Jasmine sent

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Jason a text recommending that
he go see the fall foliage on

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Sut Creek Road. The word set was
obviously auto corrected from

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suck here, but how chilling,
right? Turns out Jason did take

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that drive along suck Creek
Road, but we all know he wasn't

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taking in the fall foliage. No,
he was searching for the best

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place to dump a body next
prosecutor Moyle shifts the

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Courtroom's focus to the scene
on suck Creek Road. Schubert had

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been called just moments after
investigators discovered the

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suitcase.

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Did you have an opportunity to
look at the suitcase?

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I did. It was pulled up onto
level ground by the time I had

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arrived on scene, but I did
observe it and document and

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photograph up and collect
evidence from that area.

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May I never retreat from what's
been previous identification

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over again, tell me if you
recognize

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the this item.

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What is this on? This is the
suitcase that was recovered at

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suffrey, where I move.

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At this time, I will send me
three

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suitcase go after subgroups,

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because we believed it had human
remains inside of it. The

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medical examiner wanted it
transported as it is so Hamilton

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County, but EMS came out for the
zine, they loaded the suitcase

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on to the EMS truck and
transport it to the medical

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examiner's office. Did

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you go to medical examiner's
office as well?

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I guess I did, and

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what happened when y'all arrived
at the medical examiner's

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office? The medical examiner x
rayed the suitcase, and then

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once determining what was
inside, we I began documenting

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as. The news.

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A quick reminder before we
continue this next part is

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heavy. We're about to discuss
some graphic details from the

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crime scene, including evidence
that was shown in court. If you

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need to skip ahead or take a
break. Please do.

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Once the suitcase was
transported to the medical

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examiner's office, its contents
would be revealed and

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investigators would finally
locate Jasmine pace. Her tiny

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body lay inside the suitcase,
handcuffed and shackled in the

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fetal position and wrapped
inside three layers of trash

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bags. Here's something chilling
that we would learn the keys

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were still attached to the
handcuffs. CSI Kristin Schubert

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had carefully documented each
detail as the medical examiner

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peeled back every layer,
revealing the brutality of what

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had been concealed inside of
that suitcase. The weight of the

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moment was undeniable. General
Moyle and judge Patterson warned

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the courtroom the next images
would be difficult to see. A

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hush fell over the room, because
once these photos were shown,

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there would be no looking away.

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This is a series of photos that
shows the process once we

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removed the victim from the
suitcase, cloth inside the bags,

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we placed them on the table. And
this is a series of photos to

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show the process of taking each
layer of the card backs off and

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so it depicts that process. Your
Honor, I would

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also give an admonition that it
is one of these photos somebody

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may not discern.

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Listen to unload photos that
indicate graphic. Make sure it's

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something that is require you to
leave the court. You probably

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should do that.

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I braced myself.

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Recognize the individual shows
on the right side of this

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photograph.

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Yes, I do. My name is Doctor
Council. He's the Hamilton

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County Medical and

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that is

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what you're looking at in the
center of this building right

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now these, this is the

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bags, the way we it comes
remains in it

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outside. There were three. This
is looking into layer number

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two. We have just cut the
outside layer of the guy here,

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and on the inside you can see
the second layer, 1813, this

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would be the innermost layer,
the third layer of

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the COVID,

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guys is these seven handcuffs,
one two her wrist and one two,

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which side, her right side. This
is Dr Cogswell peeling back each

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layer of being Harvard stripes,
and you can see the shackle you

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left on that

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left angle handcuffs in the

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chat. Well, the handcuff had two
locations, so there was one to

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attach to her hand and one to
her ankle. The shackle only had

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one stitch and then a chain.

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The garbage bags were hung to
dry, then swabbed for DNA,

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processed for fingerprints, and
finally packaged and submitted

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into evidence. Schubert also
collected swabs from the

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suitcase, carefully testing the
handles, zippers and other key

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areas for any trace of forensic
evidence. From my vantage point,

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00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:17,280
Jason Chen never once looked up
while these images were shown

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sitting in the courtroom each
day, I often wondered what he

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00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,400
was thinking as evidence and
timelines unfolded. Was he

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00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,320
processing it all? Was he
reliving those moments? Now I

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00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,520
wondered, as the gears of this
trial were shifting, was he more

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prepared than the rest of us for
what was coming next? The

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00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,540
defense takes the stand and
shifted the focus. A receipt

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00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:47,620
from elevated hemp company was
found in Jasmine's car, time

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stamped, November 22 at 3:16pm
it showed the purchase of two

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00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:57,340
disposable vape pens. It seemed
like the defense was trying to

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00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:00,900
introduce doubt, maybe even
suggesting. That Jasmine was

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00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:05,040
under the influence that night.
They didn't stop there. The

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00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,040
defense also turned its
attention back to the Blue Star

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testing, raising questions about
possible scene contamination and

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attempting to plant uncertainty
in the jury's mind.

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So UK an actor, a Blue Star
application had already been

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applied.

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That's correct. And

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you walk through this scene,

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I would booties apply? Yes, if

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there was blood on the floor,

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would your booties sell up the
blood?

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If there was pools of blood or
fresh blood, yes, it's

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potentially Yes, you would pick
it up. Usually it doesn't just

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pick up and move around with
guideline,

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it's possible for you to privacy
investigators.

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Investigators need a DNA proof,
something concrete to tie the

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evidence together. Enter Greg
Martis, a retired crime scene

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00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:10,200
investigator with years of
forensic experience. His job was

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00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,140
to collect the genetic reference
samples that would confirm

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00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:16,800
Jasmine Pace's identity. He
gathered a couple of

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00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,720
toothbrushes and a hair clip
from Jasmine's house, ensuring

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00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:25,580
they would provide a reliable
DNA profile. Then he collected

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swabs from each of her parents.
Their genetic markers would

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00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:33,920
serve as the key comparison in
the forensic process. It was a

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00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,180
necessary step a clinical
process, but one that carried an

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00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:42,460
undeniable weight a family's
DNA, not just confirming

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identity, but solidifying loss.

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And specifically, on the 30th of
November 2022, reworking this

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policy investigator, yes, I was
on that

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day. Did you respond to a
particular location to collect

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00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,180
any

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00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,160
evidence? Yes, I did.

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00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:02,820
You recall where you were sent
to?

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00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,100
Detective slaughter had called
me and asked me to respond over

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00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:12,240
to the homicide unit office, and
I remember there for what

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00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:18,180
purpose he wanted me to collect
a DNA sample from the parents of

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00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:19,140
the victim, and

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00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:21,740
what type of sample Did you
collect, I

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00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:25,340
have collected bubble swabs,
which is a swab on the inside of

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00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:29,120
the cheek, the skin on the
inside of your mouth is very

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00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,480
soft and slow, soft soils
easily. So it's a good source

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00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,140
for DNA.

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00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:38,780
Zero menu has been offered for
identification purposes as

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Exhibit 193,

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and tell me if you

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00:37:44,260 --> 00:37:49,420
recognize that item. Yes, sir, I
did. Where did that item come

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00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:54,520
from? That is a swab from
Katrina pace, who collected that

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00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,600
swap? I collected that at the
homicide office. That's correct.

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On Monday, November the third,
22

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00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:09,720
next on the witness stand was
Jerry McElroy, tasked with

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00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:13,680
handling a crucial step in the
forensic process, fingerprinting

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00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,340
Jason Chen and ensuring that key
evidence made its way to the

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00:38:17,340 --> 00:38:22,100
Tennessee Bureau of
Investigation, or TBI. His role

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00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,100
may not have been as high
profile as the others, but it

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00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:29,000
was just as essential every
fingerprint, every properly

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00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,480
logged piece of evidence, every
chain of custody, detail

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00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,740
mattered in a case like this,
even the smallest misstep could

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00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:38,840
become fuel for reasonable doubt
in

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Finally, investigators turn to
technology. After all, digital

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00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:54,220
evidence doesn't lie. TBI
digital forensic expert Rachel

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00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:58,840
Bucha, let's took the stand next
her job was to extract data from

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00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:06,900
the SIM card found in Jason
Chen's backpack, the results a

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00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:12,000
phone number, an ICC number,
tiny breadcrumbs in a digital

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00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,000
trail, each one with a potential
key to unlocking the truth, and

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00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,240
Then a discovery from the SIM
card Bucha. Let's identified the

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00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:27,680
phone number associated with it,
and it wasn't Chen's. It was

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00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,580
Jasmine's,

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00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,540
next week on sequestered.

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00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,820
So I'm now showing you 232,

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00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,840
orients us to this boat rack,

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00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,800
if I can point to the suitcase,
to this area here that we're X

539
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,480
ray and again, we see another
one of these reinforcing ribs, a

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00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:04,560
few more rivets, etc. Cetera, a
zipper. And here we have a knee.

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00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,300
You can see the kneecap here,
and the lower leg, the shin and

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00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,140
the fibula that goes along with
it. This is the thigh bone. Here

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00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:19,680
you see a hand, or the bones of
a hand. And you can see the top

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00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,200
of the skull as well. Here

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00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:22,220
nature,

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00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,000
the medical examiner takes us
through Jasmine Pace's autopsy,

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00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:32,600
bringing new insight to what
really happened inside Jason

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00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,100
Chen's apartment. Stick with us.
We're in the thick of it now.

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00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:37,220
You

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music. Thank you for listening
to sequestered a juror's

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00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:03,420
perspective on the murder trial
for Jasmine. Pace. Each episode

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00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:06,060
brings us closer to
understanding the trial, the

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00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:09,840
people involved, and the weight
of seeking justice. If this

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00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,800
story speaks to you, please
follow, share and continue the

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00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,640
conversation with us. Jasmine's
story deserves to be remembered.

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00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,220
This is a BP production. The
show is written, edited and

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00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:30,020
produced by me Sarah Reed, with
CO production by Andrea Kleid.

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00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:34,100
News clips featured in this
episode were sourced from wtvc

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News Channel Nine, local three
news, Chattanooga and the law

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00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,440
and crime network. Music and
sound design are curated to

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reflect the gravity and
sensitivity of this story, and

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with the intent to honor
Jasmine, her family and the

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00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:52,000
community affected by her death.
For more information or to

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connect with us, visit
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Thank you for listening until

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next Time, stay curious and stay
safe. You.