Podcasting Build Relationships Which Leads to Opportunities

Hey, this is Dave. This is episode number 1014 of the School of

Podcasting. And you always hear me say, your podcast leads

to relationships and those relationships lead to opportunities

which lead to more relationships, et cetera, et cetera. And today I

brought proof. I got two great people that have shared a little

bit of some stories and it's amazing. So if you're

thinking about starting a podcast, you're going to find this inspirational to see

what can happen when you start a podcast. And if you're a podcaster that started

a podcast, but you're about ready to throw in the towel, well, maybe

you don't throw in the towel yet because you're going to hear what's actually possible.

Also, if you're an editor or thinking of starting an editor,

you'll get some advice on that. For me, as

I edited this, it just made me smile and I hope it does the same

to you. Hit it, ladies. The School of

Podcasting with Dave Jackson.

Podcasting since 2005. I'm your award

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you sign up for either a monthly, quarterly or yearly

subscription. And of course, that comes with a 30 day money back

guarantee. And so one of the things I always say

about the School of Podcasting is you get five hours

of one on one consulting with me, and that can be via Zoom. But

I also have an app where members of the School of Podcasting

can send me text messages, they can send me audio, they can send me video,

they can even send me screen shares. And so there are people that

I have almost a daily conversation with because a lot of times

we're just like, hey, did you see this? Wow. Did you hear about so and

so? Well, this is. And so I love Kim Newlove.

She's one of my favorite students because she's, she's just

great. That's an. I mean, I could go on, but she's awesome. And I'm going

to tell you now, you're probably going to go, dave, why didn't you get different

audio? No, no, this is Kim on her front porch. Because again,

this app just lets you trade messages. So it's Kim on her front porch

and she shared this story. And in the middle, the wind starts blowing

and you're going to be like, dave, why didn't you like Have Kim redo this

because of the authenticity, the actual

excitement in her voice I don't think could be

replaced or even if she did this. Again, I

loved the actual authenticity. And so

what this story is about is Kim does the show called

the Pharmacist Voice. That's where she talks about how you can

use your voice. And she does voiceover for medical people, and she

does a whole bunch of stuff. And she also does a show

for Perrysburg, Ohio. And what's fun is,

is because she's been doing this for a little bit, she's kind of turning

into a little baby celebrity, and she's starting to get

noticed in Perrysburg. And this is Kim

telling me that story. Hey, Dave. It is Saturday night, about

8:45pm and the reason for the message is just to share something good

that happened today. I went to a

church event. Not my church, but a church here in town,

and I got recognized and I got to meet some of my audience, and

it was really cool. And at the church event, I got

to say hello to the priest. So it was

an Episcopal church, and they call him Father Matt, and he's been on the Perrysburg

podcast, right? And then there were also some people from the

chamber of commerce and candidates for city council

and a current city council member that I've interviewed for the podcast. So

I'm shaking hands. I'm meeting people that are seeing people that have been on the

show before. And then I walk out and I see this woman

who hires me to do podcasting at the 577 Foundation, that

folks school that I've told you about. I see her and she introduces me to

somebody, and she said, hey, I want you to meet this person. I'm like, oh,

hey, I'm Kim, Newlove. And I said, you know, Heather hires me to do

podcasting class at the 577 Foundation, and I host the Perrysburg

podcast. And you could see on her face the recognition, like.

And she said, I listened to your podcast. I'm like, oh, thank you so much

for listening. And I said, how long have you been listening

to it? And she's like, well, when I moved here from Toronto or the greater

Toronto area, I started listening to it. And she said, that was about a year

and a half ago. And she's like, I love it. I find out what's in

this town and why people like to live here. And I'm like, yes, it's exactly

why I do this podcast. And I want to share. She shared

another story this morning. One of the things she did. And

this might be something you want to do is she contacted

the local library to conduct a how to

listen to podcast kind of seminar. And of

course, while you're there, you're like, yeah, if you want to listen to.

In Kim's case, right, she's in Perrysburg, Ohio. She's like, oh,

and if you want to listen to the Perrysburg, Ohio podcast, here's

how you do it. And so people knew her from that and

she was at an event and they're like, oh. And it's one of those where

it's like, there's the podcast lady, right? And so this

kind of older person, and we kind of forget this, but there are older people

that may not be quite up to speed

on their smartphone and so they

might need a little help figuring out how to

listen to a podcast. In many cases, they might have an iPhone and

not realize they already have an app right there. Apple Podcasts

to listen to podcast. Or if they're on an Android or

something like that, you might have to show them how to install an app. But

that's how you grow your audience one by one and helping

them learn. Because really, do we need more podcasts?

What we need are more listeners. And Kim

is really taking a hands on approach to that. And I just thought it was

awesome. And the fact now that as she's starting to go around town,

she's going to be, oh, that's the woman from the

Perrysburg podcast. And as you heard, she's only been doing

this probably a couple years and it's starting to gain

some growth. Now a little later, we're going to hear from somebody else.

And you'll hear the magic phrase that I always say when it comes to how

many years does it take? You're going to hear that answer come up in

just a second. The school of podcasting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I met Jan Almacy

in a Texas airport. We had both

gone to podcast movement and he was sharing his story and I was

like, oh, you need to come on my show and

share again how things have happened because of your

podcast. So I know you started back in 2017. I did.

What inspired you to start a podcast? So the first show that

I ever launched was called the Apex Podcast. And the idea came

really because I wanted to be like a Jocko. I mean,

that's. I feel like there are so many people that that time frame and listening

to Tim Ferriss, they're seeing Rogan, they're seeing

Jocko. At least in my circles. I was in the military at the time. So

that's what everybody was listening to. And I live in a small

county in northeast Ohio called Starr county,

and we had the unfortunate circumstance

of setting a national record for high school age suicides

in 2016. So the Apex Podcast was born

out of that desire to show people that there were

individuals in our community that had accomplished a lot and

were really amazing people. So I called it. The thesis

behind the show was ordinary people, extraordinary things. I found a local

Nashville recording artist that was from our own backyard. I found those elderly

folks that had amazing stories and backgrounds. I found local

politicians. I talked to executives at local companies,

you know, and just had them share their story. But one question that I

always asked was, when is a time in your life that you thought you

weren't going to make it, but you did? And how do you look

back on that time now from where you're standing? And local

podcasts are something that are starting to take off a

little more. They're a little more prominent in the space

because I know I live in Akron, Ohio, and what used

to be the newspaper is now the pamphlet. And

a lot of that story comes from a big

news company. And they basically do

Akron, they do Cleveland, they do Columbus. So nothing super

hyper local and that stuff can take off. And that's what

Jan found out. Then 15, 20 episodes started to happen, and then

it started to gain traction. And then local high schools started asking me to come

in and talk. And then the chamber of commerce started asking me to come in

and speak. And then I got a sponsorship through the city to

go into an incubator in downtown Canton and set up the

first podcast studio in downtown Canton, and then started

interviewing even more people. And then it continued to grow. And before I knew it,

this was around Covid time now. So about three years later,

there it. Is, that most common answer. I get to the question,

how long did it take your podcast to really get legs? It's

about three years. Three years later, we're north of 100 episodes.

When everything shut down during COVID I was still working at

the hospital as an ICU nurse. And

somehow through me, just hanging out at the nurses

station or people seeing me on Facebook, seeing clips of the show, I

became known as the tech guy. And so I want to jump in here,

because a lot of us are the tech guy, the tech

girl, because we're the nerd, because we're the geek. And we spend most

of our holidays fixing Aunt Martha's printer

or whatever's going on. But here again, it's the

relationships. You want people that know you to know what you

do. When I was designing websites, my sister in

law is a teacher and she knows all sorts of teachers, and all

sorts of teachers in the summers have side gigs and they needed a

website and I got a ton of business from my sister in law.

So make sure everybody knows what you do. They may not understand what a

podcast is, but make sure they know what your website is

and how to listen to it. Because they might run into somebody that goes,

oh, yeah, my cousin Dave does that. Here's his

website. But I know that you're thinking, yeah, this guy was

up to 100 episodes. How is he growing it? I was very

intentional with getting the guest involved

in the process from day one. It wasn't just, hey, I'm going

to send you a questionnaire, you're going to come on the show, and then like,

I'll tag you in a post. It was a, here's the episode.

What was your favorite part? Afterwards, let me make a personal phone call

to you and thank you. Let me send you a postcard

thank you letter after you came on the show. I bet I did that

all the way through the first hundred episodes. And then it just. I was managing

the agency and managing multiple staff and then it kind of fell

off. But I attribute a lot of that growth early on to those

personal touches after the episode happened. Because what I

found is that each of those guests, because they got the thank you

card, they would share that and then they would share the episode. They

were excited about the fact that they had been on this thing

that not a lot of people in the area had heard of. They're like, hey,

I was on a podcast. People were like, what is that?

But

for me, it's the relationship with those people that can lead to the

serious

monetization,

not

the

whatever

money

you

spent.

We Talked to these 15, 20 people that had approached

us from the hospital, and we figured out that the majority of what

they needed or wanted was, okay, we need some basic Google help

with, like, Google my business, Google search. We need some help with

our website. A lot of them in this area were on, like, Wix,

Squarespace, or WordPress templates, and we need to get the

word out there about what we're doing. And so he listened to

people, found out what they wanted, and then gave them what

they needed.

And

then we would bring a mobile podcasting studio to their

location, and we had a DSLR camera on a tripod, and we

would show up and we would record their story.

Right? And then as the agency scaled, we actually ended up getting away from restaurants

because their margins are super thin. But as we scaled, then we took

that same model, a diagnostic and a templatized

package, and we took that to larger companies. And

so there you got to find people that have a budget for this.

So he figured out that, yeah, restaurants are not really my target audience. Went

after bigger companies. But also he mentioned that he earned a

grant to set up a studio in downtown Canton,

Ohio. I wanted to hear how that happened. So the grant was actually through

Jumpstart. Jumpstart Inc. I think they're out of Cleveland. We

submitted to be a member of an accelerator program. Part of that

accelerator program was creating a business model. You got coached

by a couple of folks. We met a wonderful gentleman named John Kuhn through that

program, and he taught us the consultative approach. And

we went through and had to pitch

basically a. A value add to our local

area. And so I use that story of

the podcasting, the storytelling, how we saw it

affecting our customers, how it had personally impacted the audiences

that I had and all the messages that I had received from people that,

you know, how much more hope they had hearing these stories

and the thousands of listeners a month that we had garnered. And

through that process, Jumpstart linked us with the

Canton City Council. So here again, relationships that led to other

relationships that lead to more opportunities. And the local representative that was

in charge of the Canton incubator, Linda Hale, we fielded the pitch

and said, you guys are getting ready to build this centennial

plaza here in downtown. You're trying to get more people to

come to downtown. In order to do that, rather than

just promoting events, why not promote the stories of all of the

people who build businesses here in downtown? And that

secured our pitch for the grant for the incubator in downtown.

Our requirement for accepting that grant was that we had to build

out a studio and then we had to interview all of the people

that were a part of, I believe they called it the Fourth Street Collective. And

so they were all business owners. Again, more relationships in

downtown Canton. And so he has a podcast where people are

going, I didn't know this about this person or I didn't know this person was

from or our area. And he used that and it

grew and everything was great. And at some point he decided to

pivot. We expanded the scope of the storytelling to

go beyond just local individuals and to find ordinary people doing

extraordinary things, especially founders of

businesses and telling their stories. For example, I remember

interviewing a guy named Will Reynolds from Philadelphia. He's

founder of a company called Seer Interactive. I had watched

a bunch of his podcasting episodes and it's like everybody was asking him the same

questions. So I, when I emailed him, I said, hey, would you love an opportunity

to talk about your founding story? I see these other episodes, I would love to

give you the chance to talk about why you started SEER in the first place.

Came on the show. We replicated that pitch over and over again. And

what we would do is we'd reach out to those founders, we'd interview

them, and then two weeks later I'd reach back out to them with their

promotional information and posts that we were

going to send out. And then I would also add in a little line at

the bottom that said, hey, just to let you know, we are also a full

service agency. We offer X, Y and Z services. If you're ever in need,

we'd love to be a consultative partner and I would just leave it

open ended. I wouldn't push for a pitch, I wouldn't hard

sell. But the number of people that within a

month would email me back and say, hey, we came across this problem.

I really trust your opinion on this. Would you be willing to give me

30 minutes to just talk this through and then I'd get on a complimentary

30 minute call with them and a good chunk of the time it would turn

into a contract. And so he expanded from

Canton, Ohio to New York and Chicago and all

these huge companies making lots and lots of money. But he always had

this one thing in his back pocket in case somebody asked for it. But I

went on to produce and co host multiple other shows companies. Nice.

It became a skill set that was ingrained. And then we added into our consulting

approach and came mightily in handy. And so

I asked him, you know, you're growing your business, you're

doing things you haven't done before, and you're taking on systems.

What's it like? And how do you know when to pivot? I had a colonel

when I was in the Air Force named Colonel Phil Brown. I still talk to

him twice a year. Amazing man, Huge influence in my life.

And he was sitting next to me on a C130 while we

were heading to. I want to say we were going to Alaska for a cold

weather training. And he looked at me and he was like, you know what? Honestly,

if you can go through life ready to seize any opportunity that shows up

without seeking, then you'll be in a good spot. And so I always

kept that in the back of my head. As the business was scaling, as I

was making decisions to leave the hospital and go into this full time,

allow the doors to open, continue to walk through them. Some of them are going

to be scary, but life has a really great way of

hitting you in the face with a shovel when it's time to make a decision.

We would just leap. No matter how scary it was or how much we

had thought we had to figure out or skills that we needed to learn, if

it made sense to make the move. After looking at all the numbers, making sure

everybody was stable, then we made that leap. And that's kind of how

we approached every decision as we were scaling. So as

the years went on, and he's getting bigger and bigger, they got to

the point where they really weren't doing as much podcasting, and he was

kind of hoping to get back on the mic. And during

that time, something had come to the surface

that Jan was not aware of, but now was something that. Had

happened over the course of that entrepreneurial journey is I got diagnosed with ADHD

and anxiety formally. But after sitting down with that counselor, I'm like, wow, okay, so

my. I'm not broken. Like, me needing to

feel like I'm working twice as hard as everybody else in the room just to

get the same results is a byproduct of the way my brain's wired,

you know, but that also comes with a lot of superpowers. But if

I get really obsessed with the topic, I can learn it from molecules

up to Building the skyscraper in the course of a month because I just

become obsessed with it. And that's something that ADHD gives people as

a superpower. This next show that I'm working on right now with the Yan

Almasey brand is something I haven't come up with

a name for it quite yet. I'm still kind of in the journaling stage, but

it's going to be focused on talking to

folks, especially entrepreneurs, who are diagnosed either

high functioning autism, adhd,

anxiety, depression, dyslexia, dyscalcia,

and talking to them about their journey. How do you

regulate yourself? Entrepreneurship is stressful. How do you keep

yourself from going into a depressive spiral? What are your routines?

What supplements are you on? But then also add in my

expertise that I've gained over five,

six years of obsessing over the diagnosis, like

dopamine, epinephrine, all of these types of chemicals that are in your

brain. Here's how they work, here's how that's different

from someone that doesn't have this type of diagnosis

and really lean into serving that population. Because I see so

many Instagram reels, tiktoks of people

that are just, I want to say, poking fun at

those diagnoses, but it's become kind of like

trendy almost to say, oh, I have an ADHD

diagnosis. So I really want to educate more people on the

science behind those diagnoses and then also share stories of people who are

hyper successful with those diagnoses, basically to

prove to the adhd, the autistic and the

neurodivergent community that not only is it possible to

find success with those diagnoses, but if you understand how your brain

and body work slightly differently, it can actually be a superpower

and an accelerator. We've got a great story about Thomas

Edison. And no, not the one about 999 light bulbs. All

that stuff coming up right after this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Check out this story about Thomas

Edison. Thomas had this interesting circumstance when he was

a kid, and this is all documented, so you can Google this and look it

up. But his mother received a letter from school

that expelled Thomas and said, he

needs to go to an institution. He's uneducatable. This kid is

impossible to have in a classroom. His mother

took that letter, put it in a box, and then chose to tell

Thomas, you're too bright to be in

traditional school. I'm going to teach you here at home.

And then you'll go out into the world and you'll be able to prove to

the world how bright you are. Thomas then goes on,

obviously to become Thomas Edison, invents the light bulb.

And then his mother passes away and he finds this letter and

realizes the gift that his mom gave him

by choosing to have him believe that he was bright

beyond belief rather than inept.

And that narrative rings so true to me because I was

homeschooled until 8th grade and I 100% believe that if

I was in the traditional public school system with the set of

diagnoses that I had and the stories that my mom used to tell me as

a kid of how hard it was to educate me, I wouldn't have been able

to do that in a traditional schooling system. And so I really want to share

that story with a bunch of folks too. It's like, hey, the narrative

that you built for yourself, the way that you talk to yourself, can either unlock

superpowers or they can become a myth that you just live in

the shadow of for the rest of your life. And so what is John up

to. Now in that time frame? I got married. Nice.

Congrats. Thank you. And part of the

flexibility benefited. When my wife and I sat down, we

started having conversations about what type of life do we want to lead.

But we sat down and I ultimately decided, you know,

this has been a great run. The travel. I, I got to work

living with my uncle overseas in Italy for a month and a half because I

owned my own agency. You know, I've, I've gotten to go to Chicago, I've

gone to nyc, I've spoken at conferences, I've, you know, done all

this stuff. But with this last consulting role, I was actually, I

last minute, like three days before her birthday, I was asked to fly out

to Dallas for an off site. And we sat down and I was like, I

don't know if travel is really my priority anymore.

You're my priority. Us starting a family is a priority at this point.

And ultimately I decided to go back to the hospital. So

it's kind of been a full circle journey. Right. You know, I'm going

back to the cardiac ICU to work. But the beautiful thing

about the nursing field and what I'm really excited about is that full time

nursing workload is only three days a week. And so the other days

of the week I'm going to force myself to take

probably a month to just relax.

If I get some one off coaching clients through yanalmacy.com

if I want to work with some neurodivergent entrepreneurs that are already emailing

me because they know that I'm leaving my full time role. I'll work with

people, but I'm not going to aggressively start something. I'm going to take it slow

because I have the blessing of having that flexibility thanks to this path.

Thematically, throughout my entire journey. I'm just going to do the

research, I'm going to continue making connections, I'm going to continue talking to

people and then I'm going to seize an opportunity when it shows

up. And I'm a man of faith. So it's always been a big thing for

me that, like, the door opens when it's meant to be there. You'll find the

door. As long as you're willing to grab the handle and turn it, you know,

it'll manifest itself at the right time. And so I wanted to

ask John if he had any advice for new podcasters.

And if you're hearing, you know, consulting coaching and you're like, I want to do

that someday. I felt that same way when I went

to go launch the agency and I tried to jump into coaching and

consulting too early and what I found was

that I could sell the services. But then I ended up with this weird feeling

inside where I'm like, I don't like I sold it. And I'm convincing people that

I'm an expert in this. I'm convincing people that I'm a coach, but I don't

know if I'm actually giving them prudent advice. And I had this really deep internal

dissonance over that. But now exiting

this journey, building the podcast, building the agency, doing a

lot of that stuff on my own, I'm very confident in the things that I've

learned, the process that I have actually implemented, and

feel like I can reasonably and honestly charge people a

good rate for my consulting practice. Build

something of your own, tangibly. Experiment on yourself

first. Go out there and, and it's, I know it's

all over social media that, you know, you can launch a course, you can do

this, you can do that, you can become this influencer, this expert. Don't

underestimate the weight that comes with that and be

willing to do something for yourself.

Build your own following first. Build your own show first. Try and fail

on yourself first. Learn those lessons so that you can come out the

other side and be really, really confident when you actually have the space to go

and launch your coaching consulting practice. And then maybe you'll be in a place where

you have that full time gig and you can throttle the extra income just

based off of your calendar. But it would be totally different if I didn't

have this proof of my competence and my expertise that

I've built up over the last seven years. And I wouldn't trade it for the

world, having done it, for myself, to go out and then coach other people.

And I'll have a link to yannalmasi.com in

the show notes. Jan, thanks for coming on the show, man. Appreciate it.

Podcasts lead to relationships, lead

to opportunities which lead to more relationships. And I

love that bit about Thomas Edison. And I've never

been diagnosed, but I'm pretty sure you could tack a bunch of

letters next to my name, ADD adhd,

any of those. And what's funny about it

is I have a degree, which is so old, in

electronic engineering, and I have a degree in teaching.

And my first job out of college, I was a copier

repairman with my engineering degree. And yet I would get pulled

into marketing meetings and the CEO, I made

a newsletter for the company that really helped let the left

hand know what the right hand was doing. And he was just a

big fan of me and would constantly pull in me into meetings,

into. I'm like, why am I here again? He's like, just, we might call

on you for some ideas because I just saw things

differently now. We called it Creative

adhd. They used to just call me hyper. And a

couple swats from my dad and, you know, I wasn't hyper anymore.

But it's one of those things where so many times we look

at anything that's negative about us

and you find out later it's a superpower.

My parents weren't wealthy growing up. I didn't starve,

but we didn't have a lot of money. So I had a paper out when

I was 14, and I had my first job when I was 16,

and I bought a lot of my own stuff and I bought my car

and I learned how to save money and I learned how to work hard. And

my grandpa told me, when you go home, you go home sweaty and tired,

you work hard. And so some might say, oh,

it's such a bummer, and, you know, we could play the victim, that it's not

fair that I didn't have all the other things like all the other kids. I

didn't have the expensive shoes and things like that. That's all right.

It helped shape who I am. And that's what makes you

unique. And that's one of the things that makes your podcast

unique, is the fact that you do have a unique angle,

different than anybody else, based on who you are and

what you've lived through at this point. So I love his

shows about helping people. He talked about the show with the

letting people know that, hey, just because you live in

Canton, Ohio, doesn't mean you're stuck here and your life is

over. You know, you turn to suicide. I love that idea. And

now he's got one for people.

Neurodivergent is something I need to go look up, but I think it just means

adhd. And, you know, our brains are wired different, and

that can be a bad thing and it can be a good thing. I know

that when I really get focused on something,

a time goes at warp speed. When I was a musician,

I had a. I built myself a studio in my basement.

And I remember once I had a sequencing keyboard, so

it was playing a part and I was playing the guitar and I was programming

drums and I looked up and it was 4:30 in the morning

and I've got studio speakers. Like, this wasn't me listening to my headphones. And

God bless my mom, she never complained. But I just like,

how is it 4:30 already? Because when I

get hyper focused, like time just.

It's just tunnel vision and I'm off to the races. I get that

way sometimes when I'm making tutorials for the School of podcasting.

And I'll look up and I'm like, oops, it's 2:30. I should probably put this

down. But my brain is just going zaaa. And I'm

ready to go. And so I'm like, well, I'm already here. I might as well

keep going. So if you're a person that's like, oh, I couldn't do it because

I have this or I have that or I'm an introvert or whatever,

I'm here to tell you that might actually. I mean, introverts are great because

they're great at noticing details. So whatever

you think is your weakness might actually be your

superpower. Hey, I announced a little while

back one of the features we've added at the School of Podcasting are what we're

calling listener parties, where we basically take your

episode and a bunch of us get together and listen

together. And we all have the exact same goal, to help you make

the best content for your audience. So you explain kind of who your audience is,

what you're trying to do with your podcast, and we listen and we hung

out this weekend and did one. And it's so much fun

because, number one, I see the attitude of everyone there.

It's like, how can we make this better? And it's not that we're there to

pick it apart. In fact, there was a lot that was really good, but there

are a couple times where everybody's like, wait, you just lost me. I'm confused.

And that's the kind of feedback you want where, hey, wait,

is this a transition or is this the beginning? It was stuff that I

just love to see because you never know when there's a typo

or whatever's going on, or maybe the volume level is weird

or you just miss this kind of stuff. So it's not

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and that's what Jeremy found out. Except his name's not Jeremy.

It's Jan. And if you're thinking, this is

not a blooper, this is. This is future Dave. If you thought

today's interview sounded a little weird, long story short, we

ended up using Zoom as a backup, and so.

And we didn't have separate channels. I really wasn't set up for this. And when

our first ring kind of went down, I'm like, let's just

use Zoom. And later, I was like, yeah, I should have taken time

to fix that. But to me, it was listenable.

You worked in Canton. I worked at Sidetracked, but

I'm literally. Right up the street. I'm in Akron. Yeah.

Wow. Okay. Yeah. I live in North Canton now, so I'm even closer to where

you're at. I worked at Graphic Enterprises when they were in downtown Canton.

Wow. Fifth in Maine, I think it was, if I remember. Yeah. Yep. I remember.

My favorite was during hall of Fame week, and a woman got out of a

cab. She was old and probably drunk. Pooped in the street,

got back in the cab without wiping her butt because there's no

toilet paper on the sidewalk. And took off in the cab. And we're

all like, okay, that's in front of our company. Like, who?

Like, are we drawing straws? How are we getting, like, who's going to figure out

clean up the poop in front of the company? That is Canton in a

nutshell, man. Yeah.