WWE Survivor Series: WarGames Preview & AEW Full Gear Recap | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #719 – 11/23/23

0:00 It's still welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition mister A Realta Show EPISOD number seven, nineteen November twenty third, twenty twenty three. This is your aw Pole Deer Recap and w WEE sur Robert Series, more Games, the Review and for addictions edition of ass R Team You. I am One Apple the Show. I Am Jack Peck joined every single week on call with Tomorrow on the Doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey, Happy Thanksgiving, my Friend.

0:46 Okay, you went with the most basic. I thought you're gonna ask me if I've ever drank somebody's blood. I thought You're gonna asking if I've ever worn a devil's mask. I thought you were asking if if I hear voices in my head? And you went with Happy Thanksgiving with Jeff, Happy thanks my friend, Happy Thanksgiving. You know, I think any other week I would have absolutely opened up with something along those lines. I like the Hangman page reference that you started off with because it freaked the hell out of me on Saturday night. But yeah, this is it's this is one of those shows we've done now for thirteen years of SRTU, starting off in twenty ten and once we switched over from Saturday to Thursdays, we have always done a Thanksgiving show. I've always said, if you need to get away from family for a little bit and you want to listen to two guys talk about professional wrestling for forty minutes to an hour, this is your cup of tea right now. And I don't know. This has always been like a good catapult for me for the Thanksgiving holiday, get the holiday season going, and slowly whine down the year. So I'm in a good festive holiday mood, doctor Tree, because it's one of my favorite, if not my favorite holiday now, Thanksgiving. And it's weird how we have it's everything's progressed as we lounch the show because for a while, Survivor series kind of became an afterthought for a little while, Like when the show first started, like that we weren't doing anything, you know, we didn't have war games, we weren't doing like we already had a battleground show, so it wasn't really brand bursts brand.

2:20 It was kind of almost you know, Survivor Seris was having left in the background, and none of the other brands were really doing big Thanksgiving shows, so we would do our favorite tag teams or our best of our favorite Thanksgiving moments or things like that. So and then now we live in a world where it was like, oh, there's like four big there's all these companies running all these big wrestling shows on right around Thanksgiving. So we don't get to tell the fans the top five things that wrestling we're most thankful for because we have excuse me, preview up, the adictions and recaps. I'm so sorry about that. By bad like we talked about off air, but there's always recaps, previous predictions, everything else, and was I started to catch up the Jeff so he doesn't make me say this year, which he forgot about last year. So yeah, it's totally fine. It's we've kind of gone past it. I feel like we've been done that last like the three years of doing the prediction stuff and more or less just now something we can keep track of and has some fun. But yeah, I mean doctor Trey doing a ton of callbacks to I remember like five things that we were thankful for in professional wrestling that wasn't always a good show to put in the books for Thanksgiving or you know, things that are tied to Thanksgiving as wrestling fans, I always remember us telling the stories of for me, like Survivor Series ninety three was one of those shows that got me into professional wrestling.

3:45 And how much you know Thanksgiving holiday was a big wrestling holiday, like they would do Survivor Series on Thanksgiving. Doctor Trey talking about watching wrestling with his grandmother, you know, during the Thanksgiving holidays, Like it's it's stuff like that that ties us all into this holiday professional Wrestlane. But like Doctor Trey said, there is a ton of stuff going on professional wrest right now sandwiched in between like a good Thanksgiving leftover. On Friday afternoon, two major pay per views from two different major United States companies. Let's start with aw full gear recap review. Doctor Trade came to us this past Saturday from the Key Of Forum in Inglewood, California. We had three pre show matches, the first being Eddie Kingston defeeding Jay Lethal to retain the ROH World Championship. We did not predict this one. This actually had a storyline leading into it, which is pretty cool to see, which is a theme for this entire show.

4:43 I want to preface this all by saying that this was one of the better creatively booked shows that AW has done in some time, because there was a storyline tied to every single match, which there are times that AW does not do that. They just throw matches together and it makes you scratch you had, It makes you go like, why should I give a shit? So I want to preface it by saying that ed even with the pre show, I'm not a fan of ROH World CHAMPIONSIP being on the pre show zero Hour, but nonetheless, Eddie Kingston defeats Jay Lethal in a good, solid match what you expect from Kingston and Lethal, and it was an enjoyable start to the pre show Doctor Trey. Yeah, and even having a stokely Hathaway on commentary to help even build the story up even more as him being part of the board of director's for Ring of Honor, which I didn't know that was a thing, So it was nice. But yeah, it was a fun match. The only my only issue, and it's not with the match, it's kind of with the Continental Classic is after the match, Eddie Kingson threw his name in a half for that and now we're talking about the American Triple Crown Champion. I'm like, doesn't that then devalue the Ring of Honor title if this guy's willing to risk it to become the Continental Champion, Like, does that put that title even lower on the mantle. But that's just me being nitpicky about the hierarchy of professional wrestling titles is just ridiculous anyway.

6:00 But the match yourself, it's fine. It was solid. You got to see you know, Stanham saying try to do the strut, which I thought was kind of was cute, but overall solid match which you would expect from two guys like Eddie Kingston and Jay Lethal. Yeah. I mean, there's so much to discuss there, the way that roh has been booked under Tony Kahan's ownership, even the Continental Championship, which when they first announced the Continental Classic, I was like, oh, this is pretty cool, and I thought that somebody was just getting in a championship like trophy like they do for the owen Hart Cup. But then when I've realized that it was another championship being added to aw that could be a show in itself. But I'm gonna digress from that right now and just get to the next match, which is Claudio cast and only defeating Buddy Murphy. We did not predict that one as well. My only issue with this match is that Claudio and Buddy should be on the main show, another enjoyable pre show match on zero hour Doctor try Yeah, and then you're watching a matching man. Why didn't WW do this do this match more often for these two guys, because, I mean, we all know Claudio. Claudio is the modern to me, is the modern day Lance Storm, like Lancethorm, a guy that, if you watch him wrestle, should have been a world champion multiple times, and just because of perceived promo skills or whatever, never got to that level. And then Buddy Matthews watching him work a singles match, you forget how good he is and how impressed with an athlete he is. So this was a really solid match up team two. I don't want to say young guys, because both these guys are ten fifteen, twenty year vets but maybe underappreciated talents in the world

7:34 of professional wrestling. But like you said, like this could have been a main show card any other time. And also, you know what a four day build up to it? What? You know? It's it was a storyline, but it was a short storyline to get to the match, but the little bump at the end of the match sets it up so that maybe we get House of Black versus Blackpoole Combat Club, which that will be really fun. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff going on there that can come from this match. And again, like it was a zero R match, I was happy because it was free. And then the next match here, MJF and samoo Jo defeated Guns to retain the ROH World Tig Team Championship. This was the only match going into it that we did predict on zero hours and we both at MGF and samo Joe. I thought the match was fine and it helped set up the main show with the Andrey angle with MJF postmatch. My problem with this though, was I thought Samojo was going to be a friend to MJF until his title match and not just the tag team match the defendent titles at full gear. So the explanation of like I'm gonna protect you was confusing because I would have figured that Samojo would have come down, out, come out to make the save. That's being a nitpicky to me, and I don't know if this resonated with you, Doctor Trey. I had a lot of old school late nineties Sunday Night Heat vibes where WWE would have Sunday Night Heat before the pay per view and they would run an angle that made sense and carried itself through the rest of the pay per view. And that's what this did. Being nitpicky on the Samo Joe stuff aside, the storyline of mgf's injury going into the main show was really

9:09 well done and really well executed. I did have a funny like haha moment that I'm sure has been picked up on Twitter. I really don't go on that platform anymore. But at the end of Zero Hour, where Adam Cole is saying to himself, like what am I going to do? He said it twice and they panned back and you could see the backstage area behind Adam Cole and who's walking down the steps, but one of the guns it looked like Austin gun. I'm like, oh shit that if you go back and watch Zero Hour unless they've edited out, I thought that was a very funny thing. You could see clearly see the tights of one of the guns, and you know, just to spend my disbelief. Nonetheless, match was fine.

9:52 Samoa Joe angle was confusing. The injury angle was really well done. Doctor Treer thoughts, Yeah, my only issue with it is, you know, you're building up You've been building up bullet Clip Gold to be like this dominant, you know, pretty strong fashion. I kind of wanted the Guns to have I don't want to say a little bit, and maybe they got enough. I just felt like they didn't look strong enough in the match, and then they got their payback on the post match beating down. I'm with you. It confused me because they kept saying that Joe is helping MJF so that he can get a shot at MJF, you know, and that's how much. But that made me think that if Jay White won, Joe doesn't get a shot, and then so then why wouldn't Joe run into make the save when the Guns are beating down MJF. Because by weakening MJF, Joe might be losing his title shots. So that's why I got confused with it, and I was like, well, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

10:50 And then like I think, like the injury angle, like you said, like that was old school, like we're going to tie this into the pay per view later tonight. Then you know, just MJF on the stretcher begged, don't let them take my title. Don't let them take my title, And I don't know about you. I was confused when MZF came down with only one Ring of Honor Tag Team title belt, because I was like, well, that just gives it away that the Guns aren't winning, because then you got to go track down the other belt to award it all. So that was also like just a little nitpiggy pin. But overall, like the match was good. I just wish the Guns had a little bit more offense. But that's also because right now, I think you and I can both agree that we're both kind of guns marks right now because they're very very entertaining. They have been very very entertaining. They've really grown on me as the time has gone on. Onto the main show. Here, Sting Darby Allen, Adam Copeland defeat Christian Cage, Lucasaurce and Nick Wayne. We had Sting's team both predicted to win. Nice opener to kick off the show.

11:45 The crowd was really excited for this one and behind the match throughout I'm intrigued to see where Christian accidentally hitting Lucasaurs with the T and T Championship and then leaving them behind will play out moving forward. A Lucasaurus face turn feels like it's coming sooner rather than later. Let me preface again by saying, Doctor treynar recording this Tuesday night of Thanksgiving week. This show will probably be made available on Wednesday, So obviously Doctor Trannon are not watching ton of Mine on Wednesday night to see if there is any follow up from anything in aw Nonetheless, Doctor Trey Sting, Darby, Adam Copland get the victory. You got Adam Copeland in face paint as well, Like that was a nice little touch that reminded me of the old school NWAWCW, the dudes with attitudes or you know Sting's squadron, you know, and all the guys that do the face paint. That was a little bit homage to the throwback. The match himself was fine, nothing shocking or surprising other than you know, the Lucasaurus bump and then Christian walking out, by the way, what a great name for a stable the patriarchy. That was great, and that was like a little throwaway line that I think Nigel said towards the end of the match, like you know, what's Christia's cage would do with him walking out of the patriarchy.

12:54 I was like, Oh, if that's a stable name, that's great. I love that it was on the Titan tron. See I'm watching it from my phone, so I couldn't see some of the finer like the smaller print stuff. So that was my That was my issue because I had to watch it that such a small screen. So but I love that it's great name. So and then why nobody canna be that name in all these years of professional wrestling baffles me. So I don't know if it's I don't know if we've got enough lucassaurus abuse to really dive into a full flinched face turn, because maybe his face turn is still a little too early considering his heel turn wasn't that long ago, so I still think people picture him as a baby face at time. So I think we need a little bit more of you. You have to, you have to really really abuse the monster before the monster turns to go off on his own, so that it's can vibes right, Yeah, yeah, it really is but it's like you got to beat on the monster more and more and make it more sympathetic. And I don't think we've got to the point where we feel bad for Lucasaurus yet.

13:58 I think it's getting there. I think it's getting there, though, Doctor Try I do. I mean that choke slam onto the apron of Darby Allen, I'm like, I don't know. I think it feels bad for that guy that just literally tossed Darby like he was like a second potatoes. All it takes is like a really shitty heel, which Christian is though, or just like light them on fire. Sure gues you could do that too, and it always gets people sympathetic. Next match is Orange Casside defeating John Moxley to retain the aw International Championship. John Moxley, I had doctor trade Orange Cassidy. Fantastic match. I really enjoy seeing that. The dynamic that Moxley brings out a whole new side of Orange Cassady we typically never see. Cassidy going over clean on mox is a huge deal and well deserved for one of the best wrestlers this year in Orange Cassidy, Big Winford. Orange Cassidy Doctor Tracy defeats John Moxley. Yeah, and I love the way they booked it because you know Orange starting off strong and Moxley no selling it and then Moxley basically beating his ass for most of the match until you got the comeback.

14:56 But then you thought you thought Ornge got the desperation in Cassidy get to win, like busting out red Rum, you know, throwing what like's like five or six Orange punches in a row and try and put Moxley down. Like it was a really compelling match. But also it just shows that Max is one of those guys that goes, hey, we need to elevate this guy, and the only way we can do it is make him give him depth to the character. We have to make him look that he can pull out the more physical side of his character. I also love Moxton Hawking is the Orch Cakes as well, Like that was kind of funny too. So overall, like really really good match, really strong match, and it sets up Orch Cassidy for another strong run and the now can move mox Claudio and Wheeler over to the Black cool comback, I mean over the House of Black if you want to go that round One of my favorite things about professional wrestling is when you see an established star and there's no title that there is a title, whatever the case may be, is in the background, but you see an established star helping elevate a star that you feel like, as a wrestling fan, could use some elevation. You saw that with the Moxley Orange Cassidy feud. You see it later on with Hangman at a Page getting more out of Swerve Strickland. You're seeing it in WWE right now, like very subtly.

16:08 One of my favorite things in wrestling right now is these random Becky Lynch feuds where she's feuding with Tiagan Knox, she's feuding with Lyra Valkyrie, she's feuding with Zaia Lee and elevating their games. And that's what Moxley did. I really enjoy that aspect of professional wrestling when these established stars helped put over new talent to create new stars, and that's like the circle of life per se in professional wrestling. That's what we saw this past Saturday night with John Moxley taking the l against Orange Cassidy. Next match here is timeless Tony Storm defeating Karloshita to win the aw Women's World Championship. We both had time with Tony Storm. I feel bad for Shida because her last two title reigns have been met, but the decision to put the title on Tony makes sense, as she has so much momento and popularity lately. The finish was clunky and the match was fine, but they had a tough act following Cassidy. You know, she tried to put that pan down her I can't believe I'm saying this down her pants to do the hip attack, and even the announcers were laughing because she was having like wardrobe malfunctions. And then she'd went in the corner. Tony went halfway, then went back and then did the hip attack.

17:15 It was very clunky but timeless. Tony Storms our new aw Women's World Champion. Doctor Trey. Yeah, not to mention when when Aubrey's counting the pinfall, her head is literally eight inches from the plate coming out of Tony Storm's bridges, as a Tas alluded to on the call. Yeah, the match yourself was The match yourself was decent. It's just the finish got really clucking. Cat took it away, and you know, this is this is match and the response to Timeless Tony Storm is one of those things I point out to young wrestlers who don't like gimmicks Like Tony Storm. You and I loved her in the May Young Classic through entire run, and it's this gimmick that has get Hurt to another level. And then you look at some of the like the you know, some of the people, we're like, you know, we miss bray White. It was the bray White gimmick. They gotta bo I'm gonna take this gimmick. Gotamo with these these crazy gimmicks that can establish another depth of the character, helps elevate the game, and it stands out because it's so different from what everybody else is doing. So in a world like AW or in the Superindependence where everybody's five ten, one hundred and ninety five pounds, sometimes you got to think outside of the box to really get a good crowd response. So I applaud Tony Storm for taking a risk because it's such a divergent character for what she's done for pretty much her entire career. But she's making it work and it's being very very successful.

18:41 So outside of the Klucky Fish, I'm just happy for Tony Storm. And getting this character over. Next match here was Ricky Starks and Big Bill defeating LFI FTR and The King of the Black Throne and a four way tag team match, retaining aw World Tag Team Championship. I'm Ricky Starks, a Big Bill dot Trade FDR great. My only negative feedback is I think rustling fans are spoiled with the amount of tag team ladder matches we have seen the last twenty to twenty five years, which makes it harder to do anything we haven't seen before. Nonetheless, all eight men brought it and put on a great, heart hitting show for the fans on Saturday night. Ricky Stark's a Big Bell retaining made sense to me because then they needed a win like this for their title rate to continue growing. Doctor Trey, your thoughts on the fatal four way ladder match, Yeah, it's it's you're getting into the spots and wrestling where you're like, is anything or like to me, the most original spot in the entire match was just Malachi Black flipping the ladder back in the in the cash wheeler, like I'm like, oh crap, I've never seen somebody use the rope kind of like in that manner to the springboard the ladder back into somebody you know, but like you know, you see Brody Kane do that big godz obamb of Dealstico on the ladder and you're just like, eh, that look gruff. It's like we are kind of spoiled as to what we've seen over the last you know, twenty years when it comes the ladder matches. I mean the ladder match was it was good, it was solid, it was fun, it was entertaining. It works for Ricky Starks in Big Bill, so, like you said, establish their tag team run.

20:10 But as much as I like Ricky Starks in Big Bill, I mean, given what happens later in the show, is is a Golden Jet Ricky Stark Big Bill match like a money drawing match? Yet I don't know. So that's that was kind of why I was leaning towards FDR, just because I thought that would be a bigger draw for the tag team division, but because I don't I don't really know if you need to keep building up new tag teams when you have so much depth in your tag team division. I guess it's kind of my thought process. I think at times the tag team division doesn't actually get executed correctly in my mind, Yeah, I mean, I mean when you look at you look at the card. I mean you like, in the last couple of shows, I mean you've had MTF beat an established tag team. You dow had MTF and Samoa Joe beat an established tag team, Omega and Jericho being established tag team, Ricky Stars and Big Bill beat three established tag teams. So these are a lot of these single stars being meshed together, and you're kind of diluting your tag team talent by doing so. So as much talent as they have, it's these single stars thrown together that are kind of dominating the division right now. Next match here is Julia Hart defeating Chris Statlander and sky Blue in a triple threat match to win the AWTBS Championship. Dot Trannon both had Julie Hard getting the victory.

21:30 Solid triple threat match. Julia Hart and sky Blue have really raised their games and characters throughout the year, and Statlander, who is an established starr, helped get them over as equals. Again going back to what I said earlier in the show with Moxley and Lawrence Cassie. Another example this year with Chris Statlander working with sky Blue and Julia Hart. Julia Hart deserves the title as she has been very much improved in the ring, but I hate to see it come at the hands of Chris Statlander. Maybe this means stat Lander shifts are focused on the aw Women's World Championship coming out of this, as she didn't take the pin and a Julia Hart sky Blue feud continues forward, Doctor Trey, we have a new AWTBS champion and it's Julia Hart. Yeah, really happy for I thought the triple threat match was solid. I just I don't know. There are points this match where I thought it was like three versions of Rhea Ripley fighting each other. I guess, like everybody wants to be Gothic or just a badass right now. So like and I was trying to figure out the whole You're still trying to figure out the story between sky Blue and Julia Hart as well. So I'm with you. I think they should move stat Lander up into the main women's picture. Let Julia Hart, sky Blue, Willow Nightingale, Red, Velvet Green, Jello, anybody else in the vision that they want to throw in there that has a color food theme as well. Let them battle it out, let them kind of sort their characters out, because to me, the TBS title is your Women's Proving Ground Championship and then to move them up into the main picture. So but yeah, I'm really happy for Julia Hart because she may have progressed farther in a year than I have ever seen any other female wrestler do. Like she

23:02 was god awful with Brian Pillman and Griff Garrison and now I actually enjoy watching her work a match. So that's just tremendous progress in twelve to eighteen months I've seen somebody do. Oh, she's been fantastic, one of the best Moon salts. I like the submission finisher they have there. What is that? Is it? Heartless? Heartless? Yes? Yeah, I mean that's a great like it's a almost looks like a Rings of Saturn type submission. Yeah, she's been really well improved. I'm very happy for Julia Hart winning the AWTVS Championship because she deserves it. She's been really really good the last couple of months. Newly married also yeah, Lee Johnson, right, yeah, yeah, somebody that I've worked a show with got to marry Julia Hart.

23:48 So LEO. Part of me is a little sad. Hey you never know does try next match? Here is Swerve Strickland defeat and Hangman Adam Page in a Texas death match. We both had Hagman Adam paid to get the victory. Doctor Trey, what do you say about this one? It's a brutal, violent, legendary masterpiece, A top match in twenty twenty three, one of the most memorable AW matches since its inception. This feud has been short but extremely good. I didn't think Swerve Strickland could elevate his game, but then he does it again and again and again, and then does it again. Amazing performance by both men. Have put themselves through that type of human mutilation and punishment all for wrestling fans entertainment. There are several spots we could sit here and go I can't believe they did this. I can't believe they did that. Hangman Page drinking the blood, the barricade, pile driver Spot, pouring water over each of their heads so that the blood just like dripped like crazy off of their heads. What a match, Doctor Trey.

24:52 Swerve Strickland, Hangman had a Page. If they don't get a standing ovation on Dynamite on Wednesday night. Then I don't know what's wrong with this wrestling fan them? Can this be Few to the year already? I mean, it's like jumped up so much. I mean in a short amount of time. I mean, I don't know if we've ever seen a few go from like zero to a thousand this quickly. I mean, and even even the even the Wrestle Dream match what maybe what didn't have the blood but was so hard hitting and so just action packed like these guys. The chemistry these two have pull off in such a short amount of time is incredible. I was waiting to hear your evaluation of the match because I've seen people knock this match because of the one spot, and I'm like, you take out the blood drinking spot, which I mean for all for health reasons, maybe isn't the best thing in the world, but you know this match is not good for health reasons, doctor try yeah, But you know, like everything else in this match was like incredible and hard hitting and you could feel the intensity.

26:02 And you know, my only knock on this match wasn't even the bloodering spot. By the my knockings match is if either of these guys ever lose a match, cleanly in under twelve minutes. I'm gonna be like, what the hell, Like you've got staple barbed wired like you know, pile driven on a guard rail, took three buckshot lariats in a top rope detta Like you took all these things, they still kept fitting up and you know you're gonna get schoolboy Robot can't kick out, Like but you haven't. These guys better lose when he makes like four or five months Like It's just it was that level of almost insanity. It's like I I it's redefined the genre of what death I don't say death match wrestling because I don't put it in the same grouping as like some of those GCW guys do, like the God Bless Him.

26:55 I love the death He's a good friend of mine, John White, Burdock's in the world and Nick gage Is. I don't classify this match in that light. To me, this is the old school versions of like the Dusty Rose totally blanded, I quit matches and just with a modern twist on it. Like it was brutal, it was physical, You felt the intensity. It suspended your disbelief because you wanted to see Hangman beat the hell at a swerve for the home invasion Agle, Like all the stuff came together and like this little perfect storm for this match, and I the part of me worries that it may be remembered for the blood drinking spot and not the intensity and the violence of the tortality that the other you know, twenty seven minutes of smash brought. Yeah, this is it's a memorable match. Yeah, does it get It gets brutal, right, it gets violent, and sometimes AW pushes the envelope a little bit too much, but I think you just kind of come used to it, right. I'm It's not my type of wrestling, but I respect it a lot ultimately, and I respect this match and I do think it's a top match in twenty twenty three. See what's weird as you go back to was it mox Ley Omega when they had the uh the Pepaisan chair of barb Wire, you know, remether one to talk about like that spiral. Yeah, it's like those matches felt like they did shit for the sake of doing stuff, where this match, with the way

28:29 they presented it with the homeanvaate. Look if some guy walked into my house while I was at work, and was standing over little Samy Franklin and talking shit like, yeah, I'm gonna try to kill the guy, and that match. Because of that angle, it led to this match, and it made sense. So the brutality was not for the sake of brutality, but it was brutality for the stake of the storyline. And it reminded me of those action movies where the bad guy kills you know, John Wick's dog and John Wick goes on a rampage or spoiler alert, we're supposed to do that. You know that, I know, but I think we're on John Wick six now, so I think it's okay to spoil one. Oh fair. But it's like it's those old school action movies where something the villain does something to the guy's family and that guy goes on a rampage that gives revenge.

29:17 So it was it's violence and brutality for the sake of the story, which in this light makes sense, where some of these other death matches we've seen it's been brutality for the sake of brutality or violence for the sake of violence, which to me, it diminishes this genre. No, it's it's a fair, it's it's fair. I get what you're saying. It's fair. Still very memorable, memorable match. It reminds me of those old I Quip matches, the old bull Rump matches when there was a long, lengthy feud and this was the way to blow it off. And those guys made you feel like they were literally trying to kill each other because of all the crap they've done to each other building up to it. It's just this, they condensed it down to like a two month period instead of six months or nine months like we used to do back in the old AWA W c W.

30:07 I'm the match was surprising. I thought the result was more surprising. I did not foresee Swerve Strickland going to Zo on Hangman page in this feud. No, I really didn't either, especially when it's a Texas death match. But then, you know, getting Brian Cage involved, getting No involved kind of helped sell the finish because Nagas say they like Swerve one because of the help of Nana in Cage and it doesn't diminish Hangman too much. And then Hangman getting hung to finish the match was kind of cool as well. Mm hmm. Yeah, really well, really well done match for Strickland defeating Hangman Adam Page. Next match, year's the Golden Jets of feeding the Young Bucks as they get the Young Bucks aw tag team title shot. We both have thek Golden Jets getting the victory. Good storytelling throughout this match. They had a tough act to follow with Swerve and Hangman and did a good job.

31:00 Still, I'm interest to see where things go with the Young Bucks after their post match meltdown. As reporters are staying there do for a heel turn along with Brandon Cutler, who has been their mouthpiece online since the match took place, and one on other one other unnamed personality, uh doctor, try the gold and Jets get the victory. Yeah, not to me, This was not a surprising finish, although I do like my storyline idea that the Kenny and Chris would just tag up at random Canadian shows and then the Bucks were like searching the Internet to try to find videos so they can take him to Quarter or something for it. But yeah, like, I don't know, the match was good, but maybe as expecting a little bit more because it is four of the best wrestlers in the world. I thought it was I thought it was good, but maybe I was just thing a little bit more.

31:49 But having Dog calls on commentary also helped because he's like, You're like, just say to the guy, You're like, yeah, I really just want anybody to win other than Doug Kallaus. So I thought it was good and it'll be interesting for progressing because there's you know, when when does Kenny and Chris cash in, it does callous cost of the tag bells or is callous at starts at Big Bill into the Doug Kallas family because he does like he taking on uh people, parked Tide in that family role as well. And then finally here the main event, MJF defeats Jay White to win the AW World Championship. MGF was our pick for both from both of us in this match. I really enjoyed how the storyline played out from the zero hour pre show throughout the show up until the main event, with the MGF injury angle and Adam Cole filling in. At one point it was changed to Adam Cole versus Jay White, which was a nice little touch. The match itself was slow building, but the final ten minutes were really good. It's funny to see MGF acting like an eighties baby face at times, but he overcomes adversity by going back to his scumbag ways by cheating with the dynamite diamond ring to get the pin on Jay White. MGF reportedly hurt his shoulder and also dislocated his hip that needed to be popped back in after the failed announce your table spot elbow dropped from the top rope. Do't try your thoughts here.

33:09 MJF defeats Jay White to retain the aw World Championship. So the matches up. When you said disokay, I thought you were saying he dislocated the pre show out when he did hit the recruit hip gride, like that would be a great way. Like it's like it the way an old lady pops a hip, you know she us emulated recruited. The hip just goes out. But like the matches up. I thought it was great old school storytelling, like you have an injury, you're selling the injury. I do like this weird, Like half the match, MJF is whole Cogan and then the second half of the match he turns into Rick Clair, Like yeah, the eighties baby face and then the eighties scumbag heel. By the end, it's like it's almost like he's having this like devil in Angel battle on his shoulders, deciding how he wins the match. The only thing I didn't like was the Adam Cole like, oh, we're gonna have an Adam Cole j White match, Like I didn't think you needed to do that, Like you could have.

34:06 You could have done it mister Miyagi Daniel LaRusso style, where like you know they're about to award the belt to Jay White and you know, Adam Cole comes rushing out and like, no, m JFF wants to fight. M JFF wants to fight, and JAFF wants to fight, and you could have done that whole thing. It would tied into the eighties thingue. But like the illusion that you were to have Adam Cole actually get into a match I thought was kind of just dumb. And why the heck if he's getting into the ring, is britt Baker not running out to protect her husband from doing something so stupid us well, fiance, no, not even doctor Tree. We've been down this road. We've tried talking to Adam about this. Oh I missed it, My bad. Now this is awkward. I hope she's not listening. No, no, Nonetheless, M Jeff retains and it's still the EWE World Champion. I went seven and two, Doctor treit went seven two. In our predictions, I'm at one fifteen and forty one Doctor Trey, one O eight and forty eight. Event rating match the night I gave full gear of four point three. I thought it was a very very solid and fun and entertaining show. And my match the night Doctor Tray Swart Strickling hanging out a page I was at. I was at a four to four, so I was a little bit ahead of you. And the only reason I didn't go higher was because after four and a half almost five hours, I was kind of burning out. Yeah no, rightfully, So I mean, how is it zero hour? If it last ninety minutes, it's not an hour, then it's zero ninety or whatever. But yeah, my

35:37 imagine that I was also Swerve in the Hangman page. That's that's gonna be like when we have great pay per views, there's always that one match that's going to stand out and will remember this match at five or ten years, which makes it stand out even more. Yeah, No, it was. It was amazing to both of us giving the show very high hopes. You know what's funny about everything, Doctor Trey collectively. I want to go back to what I said in the beginning of the show, where I want to give AW their flowers that I thought this was one of the best creatively built shows that they've done in a while, and it showed, and then it was executed very well on Saturday Night, which obviously gets you excited with AW because it's had its peaks and valleys throughout all of twenty twenty three, and hopefully they continue to ride this wave because last couple of shows that they've done for paper views have been very good from all out, all in Wrestle Dream, Full Gear. I think Full Gear to me is probably their best show that I've seen in twenty twenty three. Actually, I'm gonna check real quick if that actually is. I know it's my highest rated one Revolution was four point two three point nine from You and I, three point six to three point seven for Ben Door, four point zero three point eight all In, four point four from me, four point one from you All Out, three point nine from me, four point one from you, four point one, four point two from Wressel Dream and so Full Gear is your highest rate show and mine is still aw all in which which doesn't make sense. I did love that show, but Full Gear to me is like neck and neck with

37:08 that show. Yeah, it just I just feel like they had a really good creative build towards it. But here's the conundrum I have to wrap this all up with Full Gear is I thought Dynamite and Collision and Rampage shows like individually or whatever, like they lack the enthusiasm and the excitement that they used to have, which makes those shows like at times hard to go through. But then there's like these little subtleties and it builds to a bigger story which then leads to the pay per view very well. But I just feel like Dynamite, Rampage Collision have not been that great lately, which is kind of strange because the creative going to the show made sense. The show is well executed, the pay per views have been very well executed, but the weekly programming to me kind kind of isn't where I'd like it to be as an AW fan. Does that make sense? Yeah, because I think one of my issues with the TV shows is they're not built like TV shows like there's not the cliffhanger, there's not the the reason to tune in, Like where they place the matches on the TV shows doesn't really match where they're going to place it on the pay per view card, and they don't put the same behind like ww's first match of the night or their main event or use their two biggest matches. It's usually one of the world title matches kicking off the show and then the other one's closing the show. So when they build those shows those shows, those matches are still featured in the main event of their

38:44 respective shows, and so you understand the importance behind it, where you know, you may have the MJF segment you know early in the show, and then when you get to the you know therese like, well it is the MJF stuff with Roderick and Adam, and they white more important or less important. If you have Tony Storm and Hikishida closing out of store, like their structure is still in flux with their television shows, and then it kind of lessens the importance because with RAW or Smacked Down or NXT, there's like a build up to get to the close of the show, whereas think sometimes ADEW almost books it backwards, where they're starting high and then finishing low, if that makes sense. No, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I think if they got the weekly programming a little bit more fine tuned, I think AW would be rolling again. But I will say late twenty twenty three, there should be a huge optimism right now that twenty twenty four will be a banner year for AW in my opinion, and more importantly so, one maybe two names are off that free agent wire now and signed to All Elite, which twenty twenty four is supposed to be a big year for professional wrestling signings, and AW has already gotten a jump. As we talked about in last weeks show, who will be that blockbuster signing? We felt that it was going, you know, will Ospray would be the signing that we would want to see. We felt like it would ultimately not be Will Ospray because he was due to be a free agent in February twenty twenty four. We

40:16 felt like it would be Sammy Callahan. Instead. We got the twenty twenty four free agency wire and professional wrestling going a bit early, as Will Ospray is in fact All Elite Doctor Trey. He has signed a three year deal with the company. He will wrap up in New Japan in February twenty twenty four and then be All Elite. Will be based out of the UK during this time, which Pac also does, and he will be a weekly contributor to All Elite Wrestling for the next three years. To me, he is one of the best professional wrestlers on the planet right now. This is a huge get and a huge signing for All Elite Wrestling Doctor Trey. So I simply ask you in regard to the signing, did AW have an edge or is the WWE business model flawed for these big signings. AW they have the forbidden door. It gives wrestlers an opportunity to form a relationship with AW.

41:06 The schedule in AW is more wrestler friendly than WWE. They have signed some big names over the years here, Jay White earlier this year. Now will Ospray is the AW business model when it comes to these big signings better and making the WA business model flawed for the big signings. If you're going off of do I want to sign with AW based on just what they do? Yeah? Probably because the schedules a lot lighter the pay is comparable, that's more guaranteed, and not hey at your merchandise sales factor into it. Things like that like w does like a lot of their guys. If I was going off like structuring my career, I'd still probably lean WE BUD if I.

41:54 If I'm a guy that's in my mid you know, mid thirties looking to really establish myself and make a home. AWS a great place to start because I don't have to bump as much, I don't have to work as much, and I can still make really really good money and still be featured on multiple shows. So and when it comes to signing guys, they do have an edge because I'm pretty sure if a if WB went to will Ospray to offer a contract knowing that he was still under contract New Japana falla lawsuits with having that working relationship with AW I think aw can ask permission and they can negotiate in good faith. So aw Wood comes with things like that is going to have an edge on WWE when it comes to signing those international talents that filter through New Japan. Yeah, it seems like they had a very big edge for will Ospray. The rumors of will Ospray potentially going to WWE had picked up in the last month. We had me very intrigued. Heading in twenty twenty four. I felt like he made the right decision, Will Ospray to go all elite wrestling. He knows what it's like there. He has perform there plenty of times now, and I think he'll be a great addition to their roster. And actually I thought Dave Meltzer made a really good point in one of his reports that AW can offer Will Ospray an opportunity to be a world champion in twenty twenty four, something WWE cannot do. Probably in twenty twenty four, also all lead Wrestling heading into Wembley Stadium in the home backyard of Will lost Bray. I mean, let's put it down now.

43:27 If you don't think Will Osprey is in some sort of world title match it all in in August twenty twenty four, I think you're out of your mind. And the only way that doesn't happen is if God forbid he gets hurt and is unavailable to perform that night. I would fully expect that Will Ospray is an AW world champion in twenty twenty four. This is a huge signing, huge get for them, great move for him to be performing in the United States promotions, and he still gets to have a relationship with the New Japan a little bit as well. So one big name down for twenty twenty four and another may be down for twenty twenty four as well as According to reports from Wrestling Hass, several w RE sources, have you never heard of that? No, I've never heard of wrestling Haws, But now it's going on my list of people check on. Yeah. No, no, they they do a really good The name is escaping me right now. Nick Cosman, he used to be a wrestling ink. Now he's opened up his own website, a Hoss of Wrestling. Okay, I just see. I was just picturing some big fat country red bag wrestlin Hoss Wrestling Hass. Okay, yeah, So House of Wrestling has said that several w RE sources believe MJF has quietly re signed with AW one higher up w source data that have been quote zero talks between the two sides. They further noted that the idea MGF is said to enter free agency imminently is a quote false narrative, and that they believe he has resigned into twenty twenty seven. I'm not surprised by

44:59 this doctor Trey based on the way that he has been booked. I did feel like that everybody gunning for him could be leading towards maybe an exit from the company. He wasn't involved in any of the all in promotion promotional material for twenty twenty four where hes got people's spider sense is tingling a little bit. But I think you hear him in interviews and he's, you know, breaking a lot of kfabe and talking about how much he loves and appreciates all elite wrestling and how he wants to be the guy for the company, and it appears he is staying there, and this move surprises me. I think MJF is a WWE talent in an aw ring. He fits that Cody Rhodes, Jade Cargill, mold and mentality. I figured a guy like him, a guy like Ricky Starks, would also thrive in w WI and kind of would like the environment more. So this move is surprising, and that's of and it's also unfortunate because I thought the bidding war of twenty twenty four is gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, they're like, on one hand, I am surprised because you know, why would I. It's like you and I are big baseball fans and you get that hot prospect who finally makes his debut with you know, the major league club, and then you find out he signed a you know, eight year contract that's gonna be wave alow market value, and you're like, dude, why didn't you just stick to you know, stick it out to the end of your contract. You can

46:30 have maximized it. But then the flip side's true as well, where you get that guy who comes up to your system, you love him, you've bonded with him, and then all of a sudden he jumps to the Red Sox because they're gonna offer him two million more a year, and then you're like, what happened to loyalty? It's one of those weird things, like you look at a guy like m dam who kind of came not really out of nowhere on the independence, like he had a day, but he's grown in aw and he's sentence at the top of the ladder. So on the one hand, a guy like me would go, hey, stick it out for a few more months. Maximize your leverage, you get the best deal possible for you. But you know the other side is, look, this company invested in you and showing loyalty to you and let you be as creative as you've wanted to be, and you know you taking the deal shows your loyalty back to them. So it's almost like a damn if you do, damned if you don't. Because either way, if he had jumped at WV, people would be like, oh, how dare he leave AW for all the stuff they did for him? And then he says, you guys like you and me are like, he's probably a better fit in the WWE universe because MJF is a sports entertainer more than anything else, and he would be maximized to his best abilities. But you've got to give the kid credit for loyalty. And I mean is one of his best friends is Cody Rohase.

47:57 He could have gone there and had a G eight spots, but he stayed loyal to Tony Kahan and showed you got faith in me, I got faith in you. So you have to give the kid credit for loyalty at least. No, I absolutely do. I do appreciate the loyalty there, and yeah, I mean I think this move works out very well for him obviously. It's just it's just a little bit surprising. And by the way, not to mention if it's only a three year deal. No, no, it's it's a four Well you're right, yeah, because I'm thinking twenty twenty three still, but yeah, it's a three year deal. It was a three year deal. Guess what, mjf's only twenty eight or twenty nine. When that contract's up, he could hit free agency again and then me hitting his prime. I mean when w BE comes a colleague. So it's not like this is his last contract. This is a chance for him to kind of No, I agree with you. But he's also said in interviews, which I do believe was not in character, that he is not looking to be in professional wrestling rather long either. I think he is looking at Holly Wood. Yeah, but then you look at you look at the Cody rosipproach where it's like, hey, let me take one shot at w B and see how it goes. Because if you want to go to Hollywood, WW is probably a better vehicle than AEW. So, I mean, like I said, he is twenty nine years old, he can sign a three year deal with WWEB thirty two if the end of that deal, and then decide if he wants to stay in wrestling, go back to AW or go into Hollywood. So he'd be he's in a great position no matter what because he's

49:32 gonna have money, he's gonna have leverage and everything else. Like this kid's basically got He's basically like right now the Golden Goosa Professional Wrestling. I think for me as a baseball fan, here we are mid November baseball fans. We love the hot stove, love seeing where free agent science are going to go. And for the first time that I could ever remember professional wrestling history, it was looking like twenty twenty four was going to be a huge hot stole for professional wrestling. And now like arguably two of the biggest names, if not the two biggest names, are now off the radar with will Osbury signing with AW and reportedly mjf Re signing with AW. So we'll see heading twenty twenty four if it ever lives up to that hot soap potential that everybody's getting hyped up for because we had never seen this, especially with the way that the Internet ages and you know there was no like in ninety seven, two thousand and one. It wasn't. The internet wasn't what it is now.

50:29 And I think to have that type of information at your fringing tips with news reporting and podcasting and this person go there, do they go here? And whining and dining and all good stuff would have been cool and different to say. Nonetheless, let's get into w Survivers Series War Games preview predictions. It comes to us this Saturday from the All State Arena in Rosemont, Illinois, will preview predict here the five matches, and then we will announce the holiday schedule and then let you go be on your merry way for your things skiving holiday. Here on this week's edition of SRTU Doc Trey, let's get to the first match here, Carlito taking on Santos Escobar, which is announced on Friday Night's Backdown. I like that these guys are getting the opportunity to perform. I'm gonna take Santos Escobar in this one. Who do you like?

51:15 Yeah, I'm taking Santos Escobar with Cruise and Joaquin turning on the lwoo. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I like that's the rumors right now, there's gonna be like these separate factions, and I do feel like legato'dell Phantasma reunites. Here. Are we gonna get l w O red and LWO green? Yeah? I think so? Why not? Right? Yeah? Read and grew. Well, there's the Sometimes they're blue and red for the Puerto Rican flag. Sometimes they're red, white and green for the Mexico flag. There you go, gun Through Defensie Intercontinental Championship against the Miz Doctor Trey. Who do you like this one? I love the Mis, but I'm taking gun there to retain I am as well. But I think this is a match that the Miz earns Gunther's respect and support. I think that's the storyline heading in this one, and that's how I think it plays out true, where at the end of the match, Gunther is like pleased and respects the Miz at the end of it. Yeah, I did like the whole Like, I know I'm not fighting the Miss. I know I'm fighting Mike Mizana line from Raw the other night. Yeah No, there was a really good promo between the two guys. Next match year is Riea Ripley defending the Women's World Championship against Zoe Stark. I'm going to take Ria Ripley to retain. Yeah, I really want to pick Zoe and I think in a year this is where Zoe. I think a year from now Zoe wins this match, but right now I'm taking to Reea Ripley to retain as well.

52:36 Next match year is the Women's War Games. Match is Bianca Bella, Charlotte Flairer, Shatzi, and Becky Lynch take on Damage Control Bailey, EO Sky, Oscar and Kyrie. Saying Tree, who do you like this one? I'm taking Shatzis, Charlotte, Becky and uh Bianca uh man that they have more name power. Plus I think this is where the rest of Damage Controlled kicks Bailey out coming out of this match. Yeah, that I'm taking Bianca, Charlotte, Shotsy and Becky as well, and I'm with you. I think that's the storyline in this one, is that this leads to Bailey being kicked out of Damage Control, which will be strange that she will be back as a babyface, possibly Doctor Trey. Yeah, and then it's a question of does Dakota stay with EO, Osca and Kyrie or does she get kicked out as well because she's injured. It's hard to kick somebody out who's injured, but then it's hard. She then becomes the fourth wheel in a sense, like one of these is not like the other three. So it's to be interesting what they do with Zakota Kai. I think she stays because she's kind of in their mouthpiece, so I could see that role being played out as she recovers some injury. I think to up your question is, does Bailey return to be the hugger? Ooh, maybe the high fiber. I don't know, but now that looks like you can get Bailey, Charlotte and Becky against EO, Kyrie and Oscar, which would be really really entertating few as well, or or Bianca Charlott, It and ba I think you're still go to end up a Bianca, end up a Jade at some point like this, Oh yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you. I thought

54:07 they were kind of teasing the whole Bailey hugger stuff because they all hugged on SmackDown and she said, I don't do this anymore, all right, haven't done it in a long time. And I was like, hmm, they got my Spider Sense tingling next batch here Men's Wargames match could Road Seth, Freaking Ronalds, Jay Uzo, Sammy Zay and they returning Randy Orton take on the Judgment Day Damian Priest, Finvaler, Dirty Dominic, Mysterio and JD McDonough, who are also joined by Drew McIntyre who is not part of the Judgment Day Doctor Trey, I will start on this one. I'm gonna take Cody, Seth, Jay, Sammy and Randy Orton winning this, and I foresee that this starts the cracks in the Judgment Day where they begin similar to the match we just discussed on the verge of kicking out Damian Priests and maybe he gets replaced by an eventual Drew McIntyre. So I've team Cody, Seth, Jay, Sammy and Randy Orton won in this one. See, I have a hard time with them because I picked the baby faces in the women's match, and typically they try to do one surprise. So I think I'll take Judgment Day because Drew turning is the cool new thing, even though Randy returnings up there, but I think I'll take I think I'll take Judgment Day just because like, I can't have two babyface teams win at Wargames, so I'll take Judgment day either win. Now, I hear you. I had a tough time making that call as well, but I gotta be different from you on least one match. Fair enough, fair enough. We will recap and review WW Survivor Series war Games on next week's edition of SRTU on November thirtieth.

55:38 Speaking of upcoming editions of SRTU, we always do this on the Thanksgiving Said Special, the holiday schedule announcement Thursday December twenty first, our traditional we look back at our twenty twenty three Both Prediction Special Thursday December the twenty eighth. It is the last show of twenty twenty three, which is our annual two thousand, twenty three SRT Award Show Special, and then we kick off twenty twenty four on Thursday January fourth with our twenty twenty four Wrestling Preview show. I know aw World's End is going on during the SRT Award Show and the wrestling preview show, Doctor Trey and I will talk about this off air a little bit, but I have a feeling that we'll probably do either some sort of quick bonus editions of the podcast where we preview the show and then maybe predict it during the holiday schedule, or we may just throw them up on the Facebook and Twitter feeds of what our predictions are and then recap them at a later time after the wrestling preview show. So there you go, Doctor Trey. The holiday schedule has been announced. It's going to be here in less than four weeks, which is wild to think about. My friend, Yeah, it's weird, like this is the I don't know you like, this feels like the first normal year we've had in quite a while.

56:57 Like in previous years they kind of like it becomes of the pandemic. It kind of felt like it made me drugged through a little longer. Twenty twenty three kind of flew by, So I guess this is also the showing that, hey, we're actually kind of back to normal now. But holiday schedule our favorite time of year because everybody knows how much I hate the Bull Prediction shows and I hate the recap from the Bull Prediction show, So looking forward to see how stupid I said it last year and how idiotic I'll be coming into twenty twenty four. Every year, I always enjoy When Doctor Trey brings up that he sounds like a redneck Termit the Frog. I mean, it's such a contrasting styles that I'm like, Wow, I did not see that one coming, but he catches me. Every time holiday schedule is upon us, folks, it's only a matter of weeks, which is insane. But twenty twenty three is coming to a close here in the next four to five weeks. Would that said, let's get a couple of plugs in spots out of the way. You can download show every Thursday or Friday at Real Guy rated dot com, Russell Chattnett on X and the still Real to Show iTunes feed. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to help us come the charts on iTunes. You can follo us individually and X for myself at SRTU Jeff and for Doctor Trey Franklin at the Doctor Tray, And of course don't forget to follow a show on X at SRTU podcast. With that being said, what is going on in the one for world of Doctor tre Franklin this week? Well, like Jeff said, you can follow me on X at the Doctor Trey. You can find me on Facebook and Instagram doctor Trey Franklin.

58:23 When you're on Facebook, check out Rocke City Championship Wrestling and Spartan Championship Wrestling to the shows I work with here in Alabama. As December second, Jeff is the seven year anniversary show of Rocket City Championship Wrestling, So we talk about time flying by like I was here. We were doing the show when Rocket City launched, and now we're hitting the seven year anniversary. So December second, seven year anniversion, which also means the Rocket City Rumble will be right around the first of January, which is also one of our favorite shows the year because dear Lord, we've had cameraman, crowd people, ballets, just everybody in the world has jumped into a rouble at one point or the other. I mean Conrad Top and Tons Shiovanni have come down and watched the Rubble. So it's one of our favorite shows of the year. So that was just coming up first of January. So seven years of Rockett Championship Wrestling, thirteen years of the Still Realtor Show, and neither of us have died yet, So thank you. Yeah, there's not on wood. Not on wood. I'm very thankful for that to wrap it all up with that said, thank you for making this part of your week. Thank you for making this part of your Thanksgiving holiday week for all those that celebrated. To everybody celebrating Thanksgiving Holiday, Enjoy the holiday, Enjoy the time, Enjoy the food, Enjoy the fun, Enjoy the family, Enjoy the professional wrestling.

59:37 Nonetheless until next week. For doctor Trey Franklin, I'm Jeff Pack. This is the Still Real Toes Show.