WWE SummerSlam Preview & NXT Great American Bash Recap | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #703 – 8/3/23

0:00 It's stupid. We welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition. This is no real dust show up Summer seven and three for UMPUT three two one US three is your WWE SummerSlam three, viewer predictions and NXT Great American Dash precap and review edition of ass bar to you. I am one after the show, I am Jeff Back. I always joined by my coach, the one I read, doctor Trey Franklin. Doctor Trey, Are you ready for the biggest party of the summer, my friend? Oh wait, no, the summer. I was thinking the world's largest cocktail party down in Jacksonville, Florida.

0:54 But yeah, I know though, the biggest party of the summer. Absolutely are you bringing the drink? Sir? Am I? I am any preferences? What are you thinking? Anything that will make me forget the last two months of my life? Okay, hey, that's easy. I've got tequila with your name on a my friend, There you go, There you go, So there you go, biggest party the summer, Doctor Trent. I stay tuned for the watch party of Summerslan where Doctor Trent and I just get drunk and watch wrestling. That would be fun. That would be fun to do that sometime we'd have to pick like like one of the most shittiest shows we've ever seen, and like rewatch it, like just intoxicated anything from WWE in like nineteen ninety two. Uh, you're being Yeah, ninety two wasn't. I would say like ninety five. There was a lot of shit on ninety five whenever, whenever all the guys had jobs. Yeah, yeah, that was. That was a long period of time. I feel like that was like ninety two, early ninety six. Yeah, it was.

1:49 There's a window where everybody had to have a side job. So and then I saw on Facebook their day somebody was like, I wish wrestlers had side jobs like they did back. I'm like, no, like TL Hopper, the good and you know all those guys like yeah that I mean that that ran through you know the first you know, a few months of Monday Night Raw, a reverse almost year of Monday Night Raw was the bad side jobs that every wrestler had to have convinced then pay them any money. Yeah, the coon, TL Hopper, um spark plug yet Bob Holly, that's funny. We both were going there at the same time smoking guns. Right, They were like rodeo guys. Yeah, uh one two three kid? Was this a jobber? Um? Irs Duke the Dumpster Drosie one of my favorites doin the clown. Yeah, like everybody had a That's That's when I knew Deby was in trouble back then, because I was like, maybe all these guys have to have side jobs, Like they're not making enough from being on TV. They all have to go, like how do you go from being on TV to go unclogging somebody's toilets? Hey, Hey, you know what didn't I see you on RAW this past week? Now you're taking out my garbage? Yeah? Dean Douglas the tu well. Um, Yeah, there was plenty of jobs. We could do an entire episode of just jobs from WWE's occupation era, which they never never took off, the Osha era of w Four guys that don't need side jobs recently just resigned with All Elite Wrestling, as announced this past Wednesday, won Kenny Omega, Nick Jackson, Matt

3:23 Jackson, and Hangman Adam Page also known as the Elite. They have resigned with a w and we'll be there for several years now. We talked about could we see Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks Hangman on a page in WWE. There was some grumblings a couple of months ago that there was a perceived notion that ww I think had a fair shot at signing Kenny Omega, which was insane. I think over the last couple of weeks here and there, there have been some stories out there that w didn't feel as confident that they could um signed Kenny Omega, Young Bucks Hangman Adam Page as they were, which typically means that it appears that they're on the way to stay with all Elite Wrestling, and that was a matter of fact just before the two hundredth episode, the Elite have resigned with the company Doctor Trey. Before we dig into it here, I simply ask you, is this the right move for all involved Elite Wrestling and all four members of the Elite. I mean, it's great for AW, it's pretty good for all the members of the Elite.

4:30 It's just interesting that now it feels even more like there's a partition between these two shows. When you have, you know, the Elite resigning, you just brought back CM Punk and then his guys are on one show. It it does feel like a you know, maybe not a natural brand split, but almost like a brand split out of necessity, but it is there's it just makes you know, like Tony cons the also my business, He's gonna play sides of defense and whatever deals work best for the company, He's going to strike while the iron's high. And uh, I'm sure that Kenny Omega and the Bucks used a little bit of that WWE leverage to kind of get the deals that they wanted for to resign. So there is I don't know if you remembered the story here, but there was some perceived contract tampering from ww someone so that MLW I think they have a suit right now filed against for block him for their TV deal that was supposed to be on an NBC owned product. That escaping me right now. And then it was around the same time Tony conn had said that there're been some stuff going on about a year ago now close to that he was not happy with. So while there is always probably feelers out there in the professional wrestling business, it is my understanding that w WE did not make any type of formal offer, that the elite did not speak to w E in ndy fashion. As well,

6:00 the interview that they have with Sports Illustrated Today basically just said that the reason why they want to stay in AW is because, you know, without them in AW just would feel weird. They like the schedule, they want the family time all and then money they said was really really good as well. I mean you read the interview and it's extremely admirable what they're saying. That they want to not be on the road as much as WWE is, and they also acknowledge the wrestlers that do have that lifestyle and gave them props for it. It's just not something that they want to do and they want to be more. They want to be around their family a lot more than the ww calendar would let them, so props them in that realm. From an AW perspective, they keep four of the five core guys that help make the company, the fifth one being on the summerstam card this Saturday against brock Lesner.

6:51 Is this the right move for all involved? I would say absolutely yes. As a wrestling fan, I just love the allure of seeing the elite in WWE and how that would play out just from like a you know, like hmm, I wonder what it would be like if David Ortiz played for the Yankees, Right, It's like that realm of man, I wonder what it would be like if Jerry Rice played for the Green Bay Packers, Right, Doctor Trey. It's that realm of just seeing a little bit of chaos and a little bit of these foundation pieces playing for the other team when there's a rivalry. And for those that think that there is no rivalry, I have not watched it yet, but the big news that came out of the Cody Rhodes documentary on Peacock that was released on Monday was that Triple H called AW secondary promotion, which is not a smart thing to say at all, especially when they have seventy seven thousand tickets sold for all in at Wembley Stadium.

7:54 And I don't consider them a secondary promotion at all. While they may be number two behind in the United States, they are not some sort of like knockoff promotion. They're doing pretty damn well for themselves, so right move for all involved. All in all, while there's that like, oh man, it'd be so cool to see those guys into w W and how it would play, How would it be as successful as Cody Rhodes has been in WW WE coming from AW, this is the right move. I feel like, doctor Try, I just can't see AW without all five founding members. And I know Hangman isn't typically known as one of the founding members because he wasn't an EVP, but I put Hangman page in that grew up just as much as as the young Bucks, Kenny Omega, and Cody Rhodes myself, So I think this is the right move for all involved. Doctor Try.

8:41 Yeah, I mean, you know, I always looked at when Aw's founded, it was there was Cody, and there there was the elite. Like I always kind of never felt like Cody was part of the crew, like he was friends with them, but he wasn't part of the team. So when Code went to WWE, it made sense he did it was best for him and his family. Where with Kenny, the Bucks, Hangman, like those guys are a click, Like that's a crew. Those guys typically don't do something without the other ones. And you can look at their history like whether it was you know, coming to a Ring of Honor when they were in New Japan, like all those guys did the same thing at the same time, and it does make a lot of sense for them to kind of work in tandem. Plus, you know, if you've got three other friends in the company that are pretty high up and getting paid really well, you know, you also have support and also some kind of protection as well, so you don't have to worry so much about the politicking and everything else if anybody comes at you. And we kind of saw that who had the brawl out that those four are going to stick together against anybody that comes at them.

9:54 So you always have that little circle, that little inner circle of protection, you know, while you're under contract with them. A little bit more on this story from Wrestling anc and also Fightful Selects. They say in terms of the length of the new deals, Fightful select reports that one of the new contracts is said to run for a quote at least four years. It's unknown if that is the case for all the new agreements, however, and it was also unclear if the deals matched up, potentially creating a situation where the elites collective contracts wouldn't be up at the same time. Aw and the Elite were said to have reached these new deals over the past few weeks. In regards to wwweed, appears that while the promotion was interested on Megapage and the Bucks series talks between the two sides never end up occurring. As for the ongoing issues between the Elite and Cmpunk, the Ladder's returned to AW this past spring did cause a slowdown regarding negotiations between AW and the Elite. There would ultimately proved to not be a significant factor regarding potential Elite Punk feud.

10:48 There is no word if there's been proposed or how open either side would be to it. However, it is said that there has been some movement towards a potential match between the Bucks and FDR, which could lead to the two teams face and off in the ring for the first time since April twenty twenty two. That rumor taking place right now for all In in Wembley Stadium. It's possible that they've announced that match. We're recording this before Dynamite on Wednesday night, so unknown about the amount the years Doctor Trey two sides never gotten serious between WWW and the Elite. While there may have been some feathers ruffled when CM Punk came back, it did not prove anything that made them decide out to go elsewhere, which was something that we speculated on earlier this year, So it seems like all is good in All Elite Wrestling and the timing it's perfect with this heading into their biggest attended show of all time in just a couple of weeks. Yeah, it's it's great for the company you get, you know, you don't have to worry about your name people. I mean, it would be kind of just the ultimate kick in the bass if everybody in the Elite jumped to WWE, because then how do you have a copy called All Elite Wrestling if the Elite is on Like that would be kind of weird. Like Kenny and the Bucks set in that interview, you know, there was no direct contact between WW and those four guys, but you know, legally they can't because that is contract tampering. But I'm sure there were feelers set out. All those guys have some form of representation that they

12:20 can have touch base and be like, hey, if we're interested, what will be looking at those things happen They happen in the NFL, baseball, wrestling, basketball, all those things. So I'm sure there was some kind of contact there As far as Punk and the Bucks and ftrgo if they don't do this at Wimbley Jeff, do do we lose any of the the smoke behind the fire that was a brawl out? Like is like, how long do you wait before you start pulling the trigger and keep I mean, like, how long it's too long before you pull the trigger on this? Well? I mean FTR wasn't involved with brawl out. I mean they are closely tied to cempunk, right, you know, I would imagine that being that there is a lot of chatter about those two battling it out, those two teams battling out at all in in a couple of weeks, I would I would imagine that that match has been nearly made official on the car that that's happening. There's obviously a lot of friction there, professional and potentially personal.

13:30 If anybody listening to Dax's Hardwood show, it sounded like it was more professional than personal. They may not be the best of friends, but that's what makes money. And I think if an FTR and the young Bucks are willing to work together, that a CM punk and the elite you would hope would be able to work together. I do think, and I said this before that I felt like there was a three month window where AW needed to capitalize on the elite and see him Punk being back on the fold if they wanted to make some money off of the real life brawl out. I don't think it still has the same impact as it would if it's say six, two twelve months from now, if they never battle it out then, I mean, the farther we get away from Cempuck's return and brawl out and all that stuff, it's just like, uh, I don't know. I don't know if it still has the same punch as it would before. So I don't know. It definitely seems like I could open the door to it. I liked the idea of the Bucks an FTR battle in and out, and I think that would be the right move for all in. And just to the point that you had made before about w overtures to you know, the elite and all that stuff, yeah, you would have to imagine that. Nick and Matt Jackson, who Cody Rhodes recently said an interview he's closer with them now than he was at any point in his life, have asked him like what is it like working for WA Like they have to have had those conversations like how's it going, what's it like working there. You like it,

15:01 um, I would imagine that. I mean they nearly signed with WWE Doctor Trey, Kenny Omega and the Bucks nearly signed with WA. There's a story in the Young Bucks book that I think it was Matt Jackson got off the phone with Triple H. He was on vacation with his wife, and the first thing he said to his wife was, I can't believe I'm saying this, but we're going to do I think we're going to WA. So, I mean there is some sort of business relationship there, but all in all, Elite resigning FTR Bucks for all in I'm all for it. I think it's the right moves and it's the right move for professional wrestling. I feel like ultimately Doctor Trey. Yeah, it does feel weird though, like you're gonna have if you do have the Bucks in FTR at you know, all in in Amble Stadium and the tag belts aren't on the line. Like to me, the only thing they're there if fastors are going. We could have been building this up for a few weeks, you know, Like that's that's my only complaint about what's been doing for the most part lately, is you know, some of these we talked about with Cmpunk's booking a couple of weeks ago, Like, you're not really building up anything. And I know the Elite just came off the feud with Blackpool Combat Club, but you could have jumped right into it and started setting the stage for it now with only me in a couple of weeks out, you're only getting a couple of weeks build up. You do kind of lose a little bit of the intensity, unless unless those guys can just crank it up to like a crazy level at a short amount of time, which they're probably capable of. Just for as a

16:34 wrestling fan, when I'm looking forward to an anticipated match, I like having a few, like a month and a half build up to that big match. I'm with you, but I think in regards to those groups though, I mean, it's I think it's there, don't you think? Yeah? I mean to agree, But like you said, with like FTR and the Bucks, it's not a personal thing. It's a professional thing. You know, the promos. Maybe it's more the work. Shoot line that I'm looking forward to with this when it kicks off, is where's that line at? You know? How far can you go in that promo before you Hangman page it where punks Matt like, how far can you go in alluding to all that stuff? Like That's what I think I'm looking forward to the most, and with getting a condensed version of it. If it goes that way, I would kind of drag it out and make it seem more special than just oh yeah, just announced to night the Bucks and FTR. We're announced an on Dynamite on Wednesday and all outs two weeks away. I think there's a lot of people that want to see that, Like, I think people would be upset if it wasn't on the al in card. No. I agree that people want to see the match, but I also would want the extra build up in the anticipation to get. If you're talking about Bucks and FTR specifically, I mean they've had two previous matches. I mean this would be the rubber match, right, yeah, but if you're gonna build into a six man at some point, which is I think is what everybody wants to see. But this could be the this could be the appetizer to that.

18:07 Because I do think that we all know the background of Bucks and FTR, Like, I don't know if there's anything else you need to build off that. If you're looking more towards the trios of CMFTR and the elite, I'm with you, but I mean this could serve as the appetizer. Yeah, that's true, especially if one of the other you know singles guys, whether it's Omega or Punk get involved, then that can build up to you. But yeah, like just for me, I like longer build ups to big matches. But you know, you're right, this could be the kickoff to lead into that rivalry, much like the elite in BCC head where it lasted three months that started with Hangman Page and John Moxley in October. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, switching, what was that that you won me over? That's what I'm here for is to is to suade you, all right, next thing here switched years At WWE, there was a story out on Wednesday that Vince McMahon was served with a search warrant and federal grand jury subpoena. Came out during the quarter earnings call with shareholders, which is a perfect time to tell them, like, hey, Vince was served with a search warrant and federal grand jury subpoena. So that was a big story.

19:18 On Wednesday, during the w quarterly earnings report, Vince Icman was served with the search warrant Grand Federal Journey EPI July seventeenth, I think July twenty. First he went out for medical lead because he just reportedly underwent major spinal surgery two weeks ago. At the time, Tony Kahn declined to comment, but WWE did confirm that this has taken place during the quarterly meaning some more about this via Wrestling Ink. While the specific details of the warrant, subpoeni and remain a mystery, it's known that McMahon has been under investigation for allegedly paying off a number of women an attempt to keep them quiet regarding sexual misconduct.

20:00 So there's a little bit of thought. I thought there was an updated story. I made a pold the wrong story here, So give me one second. All right, here it is. Here's the update. So WWE revealed in the Relatest Learnings Report, which I said in an update to those initial story about devit, McMahon provided statements pertaining to the subpoena. McMahon stated quote in two thousand and two twenty two, WWE formed a special committee to review allegations and misconduct against me. That review was concluded November twenty twenty two, following an extensive investigation throughout this experience. I've always did I any intentional wrongdoing. It continue to do so. I'm confident that the government's investigation we resolved without any findings of wrongdoing. I'm focused on completing the recovery process for my recent spinal surgery, and I'm closing our transaction with Endeavor, which will create one of the premium goals global sports and entertainment brands. W responded, we believe this is a continuation of the investigation that commenced last summer. W's cooperated throughout fully understands respects the government's need for a complete process. So no charges have been following against Van as of this recording. Details of the war and subpoena are currently unknown, although it has been publicized here in the savents from McMahon and WWW that it appears into something from the misconduct investigation that took place last year. So I guess until more comes out about that about this, we won't know specifics. But nonetheless, doctor Troite not a good look here that Vince is getting served with a search warrant, federal grand jury subpoena.

21:25 I mean, this is not ideal for WWW right now. Well then to have it come out during the quarterly call is like the worst timing ever. But yeah, it's not a good look, but it's it's we're not surprised. I don't know if anybody was surprised in the sense of what the subpoena and everything else is coming from, because this is literally something that one of his friends, Donald Trump, is going through, Like that was the first indictment he had was because of hush money paid to a woman, and now Vince is being investigated for the same thing. So it's really not shocking and surprising because that was kind of what the internal investigation was about, was did Vince pay these people directly or did it come from a WWE corporate fund because that parts illegal, but paying it yourself is not. But you know, it's it is what it is almost like, are we really surprised with anybody over the age of seventy gets hit with one of these cases right now, because that seemed to be you know, Bill Cosby, Trump Vince, Like, I'm just I'm not really surprised. I'm more surprised than al Paccino's having kids in his eighties than I am about Vince and Trump and Bill Cosby getting hit with stuff from stuff they did back in the eighties when it was kind of accepted. Yeah, it's I think the stuff with Vince though is is recent though, like within the last fifteen to twenty years. Well, the one girl was a referee back in the eighties though, that was that was

22:55 late eighties and that was settled. But I guess when all this stuff. This is my understanding. So I'm no legal analyst here, so if I'm incorrect on any of this, uh, please let me know via Twitter, slash x or Facebook at our various different channels. That I believe that was Rita and I'm her last name was forgetting is escaping me at the moment. But she was a ring announcer and that was settled. And then when all this stuff started coming back up, she went into another negotiation and got another settlement. Is my understanding from Fitzichmann um detailing like alleged stuff between them.

23:36 So and the one was the secretary that got the promotion correct that, yes, I believe that was one. And then there was discussion about a female talent as well, like the in the two thousands era decades, some of the stuff is not like the yo, it's not except except of the early two thousands, even then early two thousands with kind of in that weird gray area of what was acceptable and what's not acceptable today's standards. Um. But like it's to me, it's not surprising when this stuff comes out because these guys are from a different generation. I mean, you can go back to the Trump interview or he's like you grab him by the blank, Like that's kind of the mindset that these old rich men have is that I'm rich, I have this money. Yeah yeah so um. And then you know guys in our generation who grew up kind of watching that but then trying to adjust to the new world. We live in this weird area where we don't know what we're supposed to do. Well. I don't think you can say some of the things that Trump said. Certainly no no, no, yeah, like that's not allowed. But then you get the flip side when you get a woman that goes, oh, I wish men were still men. You know, it's like, Okay, do you want to be sensitive? You wants to be a man, do you want it't like, which side do you want? Like? We can't be everything, Just tell me what you want me to do it, but I'll do Trying to figure out what society wants nowadays is definitely a conundrum, I would say. All in all,

25:10 this entire thing with the subpoena and federal grand jury, this obviously has a lot to do with shareholders that did not want him back. The company corporation needed to do an investigation. And we're just going off on what the statement said today that it appears that that's what it's being pointed to. I would say still from a business wrestling fandom perspective, this is just it's not a good look today for w W and Vinsickman. And we'll see if it leads to anything, doctor Try. I mean, in most instances, even the stuff that we just talked about a year ago, when we were talking about Vince no longer being with Wan retiring, that would end a person, that would end a person's career. Vinsickman being vins Wickman right, wrong or different, whether you support or a pose, and being back with the company said f this and forced his way back in the company, and it was like one of the most boldest insane things I've ever seen in corporation existence in my entire time. I mean, most CEOs, like presidents, they don't do that. And he did that because he had the where he had the stock power to do it. And I don't know, I don't think he should be back with the company. I gotta say, I think from a creative standpoint, from a business standpoint, from a scandal standpoint, I don't think Vince Icman should be back with the company. So and that's kind of where I stand on this entire thing. Yeah, I'm with you, Like I

26:41 don't think Vince you should be back. I think Vince should have left when he left and kind of staying gone. I do understand the want to have Vince be part of the company from the new merged Global Sports Entertainment brand. You know, I unders wanting Vince on the because Vince is the data white you know, that's the comparison. But at the same time, like you said, it's it's scandalous, it's it's somebody that's kind of a magnet for these type of things, and it doesn't do the company any good when these things keep popping up. I mean, and you're right, like this would have knocked out a normal person from ever working for that company again. I mean, you look at some of those guys that were called out during the the Me Too movement, like the Michael Elgin's, the Joey Ryan's, that Dave Chris, Like, none of those guys have been back in wrestling jack All. They're not back. Yeah, but you know Vince can just go, yeah, I got enough money, I got enough poll like, I'll sell the company and that way I'll get myself back in Like that, Vince has that fu money to kind of do whatever he wants. And he's almost the old one. You're from the northeast Teflon, don you know, that's kind of how Vince is now. Yep, that is very very true.

28:00 So we'll see if this leads to anything further. Once again, Vince Zikmann back in the news, did receive spinal surgery recently, so I guess he'll be out for some time. Also getting served with the search warrant and federal Grand Journey subpoena, which w E and he appears to be acknowledging has to do with the investigation from last year that internally took place in world wrestling entertainment. Speaking of Teflon Dons, let's get into NXT Great American Bash recap review. I don't know how sometimes we can transition from some of the things that we talk about, but figured maybe a Tony d reference can get us at NXC Great American Bash. It took place this past Sunday from the HEB Center in Cedar Park, Texas. Let's start with the pre show match. In an eight person mixed tag team match, Dragon Lee, Nathan Fraser, Louisa Leon and Valentino Froys defeated the Metaphor of Noam dar Or Mensa, Jacara Jaccent and Lash Legend. We both had the Metaphor again the victory, so we got a l on that one firm performance by all eight wrestlers to start the show. Surprise, they want to build up the Metaphor to get the pl win, but Fraser and dragon Ly are a lot of fun to watch, as we saw on Tuesday edition of NXT. They made up for that as Noam Darr and Ora Mensa did defeat Carmelo, Hayes and Wesley in a tag team match. Doctor Trey. Any thoughts on the pre show startup. Yeah, Like once the result was done, I wasn't as surprised I thought, especially where you saw what happened Dragon Le on Tuesday. It makes sense for them to get to win at the pl to kind of build them back up, you know, dragon Ly don't. I don't want to say it's been a disappointing run, but maybe not the level we thought it would be coming

29:36 in NXC, So them getting the win at the pl E kind of helps those guys move up. Also, Nathan Frasier, former Rocket City Championship Wrestling performer at one time, Dragon Lee does have a big match on Tuesday's nx T from the North American Championship and one Lucador legend will be in his corner. So maybe this is the start of the Dragon Lee ramp up that Doctor Trey is so eloquent waiting for. Because I'm out right there with you, I want to see Dragon Lee start climbing the ladder. In NXT to the main car, The Family of Tony D'Angelo and Channing Stacks Lorenzo defeat Gallas, Mark Coffee and Wolfgang to win the NXE Tag Team Championship. Both Doctors Tray and I had the family getting the victory, good match, it was time to put the titles on the family fall on the free Tony D storyline.

30:19 Tony D has won me over. I'm not really in love with the gimmick. Channing stacks. Lorenzo has been one of the great bright spots in NXT, an underrated bright spot because he has really become a good, good performer over the last year plus being in NXC, and watch him on TV. This was the right call. Doctor Try was happy for Tony D and Channing Sax Lorenzo. So I give a question, and this is only because you're much more of the NXD watcher than I am right now. So did Tony D get promoted while he was in prison? Because prior to prison, he looked like he was part of the mob, and then now he looks like he runs the mob. So that's why I kind of a little bit confused.

31:00 I like the new look, though it looks more like a down kind of look than what he had on when he first came into NXT. But it was absolutely the right move. This story built up, it was compelling, it was there's a couple of little twists in there as well. Another twist on you know this past Tuesday's NXT. So I liked the move and the match was pretty solid of fun and stacks. Man, I like that kid. That kid's wrestled all around Tennessee and stuff before he got his break. So good, good young man, and good to see them get some success. Yeah, to answer your question, I think they probably just have kind of figured out the gimmick a little bit more. I think he's been the don and this was they did the ode to the jumpsuit here, and I think he's just kind of coming into his own finally in the gimmick.

31:48 The gimmick was very corny for a long time, and I feel like in the last six months or so they've they've kind of felt their stride and it's been actually a really nice move for them to turn into baby faces because I think they're very much over with the crowd and it aligns better with that gimmick in my opinion. Next matches Roxanne Perez defeating Blair Davenport and a Weapons wild match. We both had Rock sand Pres gain the victory. Hard hitting match. I'm a fan of both women. I hope you see both them in the NXC Women's title pictures sooner rather than later. The only drawback here was Roxand Press is like twelve year old sister who was hiding a laugh when she was supposed to be scared. Clearly, Blair, Davenport and her probably have a very joking relationship behind the scenes because she was hiding a laugh the entire time, which is difficult when your family members doing that. But Roxane, it's a victory, Doctor Trey. Yeah, Like I enjoyed this match.

32:38 It was. It was a little bit more fun than I thought would be. I don't know about even Roxane is so small that every time she got hit, I kind of cringed a little bit because I'm like that one might take that little girl out. Because as much as we talked about, like you know, he's talk about Roxand's twelve girls, sister, Roxand looks twelve, so I thought they were like twins almost or something, but not just a really fun match. Both girls came out looking pretty strong, so it'll interesting to see where they go with those two next, Like who does Blair move on to because not a lot of baby face women in NXT right now. A lot of heels, but not a lot of baby faces. Next match, there's Gable Steveson and Baron Corbyn ending in a double disqualification, no contest. However you want to look at it. We had Gabe steven get Stevenson getting the victory or Stevenson getting the victory, which was incorrect. Not a great match, headscratching decision for this match and in a double disqualification.

33:27 The post match brawl was good. It was surprised to see the majority of fans in attendance boo Gabel Steveson in a line with Baron Corbin. Steveson did not look ready for the spot yet. Olympic gold medalist in Wa nearly twenty three years, twenty four years since Kurt Angle made his debut. I mean he's going to be in Kurt Angle's shadow because that's who we will be compared to. And Gabel Steveson from a Olympic wrestling standpoint, was a much bigger name than Kurt Angle was because of the more eyes on the Olympic product. In twenty twenty twenty one, when everyone the Metal in Tokyo, but surprising, I thought it was going to be a better showing from him. I thought the crowd was going to be behind him. And that was not the case. Baron Corbyn has been a well known heel that has typically booed and he was cheered. Head scratching moment all around, Doctor Trey. I did not enjoy this one. Not a good debut for Gabel Steveson. I thought they did him dirty here. Yeah. I did understand putting him in the ring with Corbyn first because when you look at like, Okay, if Corbyn loses, what does that do for Corbet? You know, it's great for Gable? But was it due for Corbett? And if Corbyn wins, was it due for Gable? It also ties him to the Kurt Angle stuff from retiring them. Yeah, and it is weird because as I'm watching this match, I got Kurt Angle vibes because if you go back and listen to Kurt when he was coming in, he wanted to be a baby facing Vince was like, no, you're gonna be a heel. They're gonna hate you.

34:55 He's like, no, no, no, I'm a gold medalist, I'm all American. They're gonna love me. And the crowd him I kind of felt that vibe, like, no, the crowd already kind of feels like this guy is almost entitled in the debut, so I think, and plus, I think Corbin's so hated that he's almost respected in his hatred in people's hatred form. So it kind of felt like, like I was saying last week, you almost feel bad for Baron Corbin. So I kind of feel like the crowd has went that guy looks entitled. Baron, you know, has been here for a while. We respect him. We want to see Baron do well, and that's I felt like the crowd. But you're right, like the match was not good. The brawl was okay, but you know, from a guy that should have fantastic footwork for being an Olympic wrestler, he and Corbyn's an underrated worker, that match should have been better than what it was. My guess is that w W has been waiting to utilize Gable Steveson for several years. He performed at Wrestleminly thirty seven in Dallas.

35:58 He was in a moment I think with Alpha Academy Suplexable Chad Gable, and then we've seen a periodic the show up from time to time on Rown SmackDown. At one time he was actually drafted to Raw, so there were a lot of rumors that he was potentially going to go back to the Olympics, or potentially go back to college or both, or something like he was deciding his future. And I think we may have been getting a little nervous. This is just my speculation, my fan speculation on this. I know nothing else about this. So maybe he was like, well, you guys aren't really using me. You know, what's what's going on here? I don't know if I want to stick around and may go do the Olympics, I may go back to college to try to win a third college championship in wrestling amateur wrestling. And it appears like, okay, well let's let's use him, because Sean Michael sets up in a in the conference call lead into it like he was doing nothing. He decided to use him. That was Sean's words, but it just felt like from a mic standpoint, it's he's obviously lagging. His character is lagging still, and his in ring work. We all know that he has the athletics him to put it together, but that match just was not ready for primetime television. So I thought they did him a little bit dirty. I thought Kurt Angle when he came out in ninety nine was ready to go. From a character and an end ring standpoint, he picked it up very very fast. Maybe Gabel Steveson in a year's time will pick it up. I think the sailing for him is one of the highest of anybody on the NXC roster obviously, but again this debut, they just did him dirty Doctor Trey, so head scratching all around, from the decision to put him in the match to the decision of the result of the

37:31 match made no sense at all. Next match here is Dirty Domasterio defeating Wesley and Mustafa Ali. You know, triple threat match to retain the NEXCY North American Champion. Should be both a Dirty doma Masterio again. The victory he will be taken on Dragon Lee on Tuesday's NXT as Ray Masterio will be in the corner of Dragon Lee fun trouble threat match. Rea Ripley's interference and influence in this match was heavy, like the most I've ever seen from someone not in the match at some time, and I liked it as an ad to their genuine heat. This was fun round match all around, Doctor Try. I enjoyed Ria's interference. It made total sense to me. Your thoughts a dirty, John retains, Yeah, when you look at it, like, I love to finish because it's very dirty. Sammy apparently didn't like it as he comes into the room to join the podcast. Okay, can you a man, a dude, But like, when you look at Ria's involvement, Riah is bigger than Wesley and Mustafa Ali, so it makes sense for her to get physically involved because hell, I think we all think that she could beat those guys up in a real fight. So um, but yeah, it got mega heat. Now I am and I don't know if we're can touch on it, but I am a little bit confused about the Westley attitude change. I get I get the character frustration, but I don't know if I would buy west Lee as a full fledged heel going. He's just so small. I think you need to keep him as the underdog. But if that's direction they go, Hey, west has been fantastic since he got dannixe Moustaf has been great since he got Dannix. So it was a really really fun triple threat match. I don't know if Wes is going hell yet.

39:05 I think he's just set and frustrated. Yeah, if it leads to a Carmelo Hayes feud. I'm I'm here for it, man. Well, I mean they had some great matches. I mean that that Ladder match for the North American time that has some great moments in there. Like, I'm for it. But you know, with the Trick Williams kind of separation thing on NXT, maybe they're just trying to give West an edge to him and make it seem like, you know, he's not just the little guy, like he can be tougher than perceived. But like Raymistereo never needed an edgy side really throughout his career. I just don't think that West needs it. I think just size in his you know, energy level would keep him as a solid baby face. To me, it almost feels like a little bit like the Johnny Gargano move and where we didn't like it at first, but then a hell it paid off. So maybe that's the route they're going with it.

40:00 That's it to the next match here, Tiffany Strtton defeats THEA Hale in a submission match to retain the NC Women's Championship. We both had Tiffany Stratton gain the victory. Not a good match at all. Multiple blown spots confusion if rope breaks are allowed in the match. From a commentary and entering performer standpoint, no build up to Andre Chase throwing in the towel that should have made the spot more compelling. I've said this before, Tiffany Stratton is a great character. Tiffany Stratton the ring performer needs to improve. This is reminding me a lot of my feelings towards Jade Card Gill and aw. You can see the star potential with Tiffany Stratton, but the inn ring stuff is not there yet. This was not a good match, Doctor Trey, your thoughts of Tiffany Stratton retains, Yeah, and thea is still kind of raw and green as well. It's one of those things in wrestling we talk about a lot when we're putting, you know, shows together, matches together, is you want to have at least one person in that match that you feel I can lead the match. In neither of those ladies, I feel like as ready to actually, you know, be the quarterback of a match on a ple So yeah, it's it's a little bit of Jake Cargio factor, Like Tiffany Stretton just needs to stay down in NXT for a while, Like, I hope they don't Apollo Cruiser and bring her up too soon or anything like that, because she is a fantastic character. She's a beautiful woman, and we know guys like Vince and Bruce like to have them up on the main roster because they can showcase them. But I just I'm hoping Sean and Triple

41:31 H go no, no, no, she needs more seasoning, she needs to get better. She reminds me a little bit of what Summer Ray was when Summer was an NXT where great character, a beautiful woman just wasn't great in the ring. Summer eventually got better, and I'm sure Tiffany will as well. It's just now's not the time to really let her run a match of that caliber on that stage. Yeah, Tiffany's trying a super athletic like and no disrespect to thea Haile and Tiffany Strand. I think that their upside is massive for both characters, both wrestlers. I think they're gonna be great. This was just not a good match at all. Like again, it just felt like they're not ready for prime time. That was the feeling I got from Gable Steveson. It just It's like you're trying to put, you know, a circle into a square peg hole, right. It just doesn't feel right right now, Like we know that they have the ability to get there, but it's it's just gonna take some time. It's just all around was not good, especially when you look at the main event. It was like I was watching two different shows at this point because the next match here is Carmelo Hayes defeating nearly draggon Off to retaining the NXC championship. We both have Carmelo Hayes getting the victory. Great match that really saved the show in my opinion. It was hard hitting and the final ten minutes was really well done. Hayes and dragging Off put on a show. These are two guys that are season performers. They look like that they would fit onto Raw or SmackDown tomorrow. They they saved the show at this point. Doctor Tray,

43:05 I mean he had the gable Steveson Baron Corba match I did not like. The triple threat kind of brought the show back into it. And then Tiffany Stratton Fiahale left a really bad taste of my mouth, and then Carmela Hayes and nearly dragging off save the show again. I really enjoyed this match your thoughts. Yeah, Sammy did too. Sammy and I sat there and watched it. Sammy loves Elia dragging off. I'm a bit see I'm a big aliena dragging off fan myself. It was a damn good match. I really really enjoyed it. Although we both kicked Carmelo. There are points that match where I'm like, could they pull the trigger and put the belts on Elia and you know, move Carmelo up? But like it was, you're right for me. It kind of saved the show because of that match. I had been a clunker. This might be my lowest rated nxt P l E ever and it still might be. I don't know. We haven't got to it yet, but uh, it still might be by lows. But it would have been really bad if this match was average or worse. Oh yeah, if this was not good, it would it was. I think it would be the worst show of the year, and it may be when you look at it all in all, so maybe spoiler alert ear all right.

44:13 Peperview prediction record Doctor Trent I both went five and two, come out of the show and win sixty six and twenty three Doctor Trey sixty one and twenty eight Match of the night and event rating. My match of the night was Carmelo, Hayes and Eily dragging off. My event rating, I gave it a three point one. If Carmelo, Hayes and Eliot did not put on a show, you would be looking at something in the twos. I this show was not great, a lot of skippable moments, but there are some matches on this car that you should check out. The Family Versus Gallus, Roxanne Blair Davenport was good, Dirty Dom west Lee musaf Ali was good, and obviously Carmelo, Hayes and Eily dragging off. But Gable Steveson and Baron Corbyn and Tiffany Stratton and Theiahle were so bad that to me this dragged it down to a three point one, so I gave a three point one Doctor Trey. Okay, so I was slightly ahead of you because I had it at a three point two, So it was slightly ahead of you. But my match of the night was samey Jorge, Carmelo, Hayes and Elie dragging off. If that match and the Triple Threat match weren't as good as they were. Uh, it would have been like a two point three Like it would have been like a bad indie show for me. Yeah, no, it was. It was not good. It was it was running into some trouble there coming out of Tiffany Stratton and the Hill match. Honestly, I hate to crap all over wrestlers like this, but yeah, I mean, you gotta call it like you see it here. I mean, if we're going to bash Jade cart Gill and get told that we're you know, tippee homers, like, we'll call it like we see it with anexc as well.

45:37 Um right, let's get to w SummerSlam previewing predictions at Trade this Saturday from Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan. Let's start with the SummerSlam Battle Royal. Here. There's only been like five people announced. I think it's knock A Moore, Tomasso, Champa, Shamus, La Night and Bronson Reed. You gotta expect there's gonna be a lot more. But I think of those five, there is someone that I think win this match. Been wondering for some time when they're gonna pull the trigger and help continue the popularity that is La Night so I'm gonna go with La Night to get the victory here. So I'm gonna go off the board just because he wins Battle Royals. I'll take Bobby lastly. Wow, that's a good choice. I've enjoyed the Bobby Lashley stuff the last couple of weeks. Asked me and trade to where things are going next match. Here is a MMA rules match with Ronda Rousey taking on Shane and Basler. I would say that people probably aren't the most excited for this match, but the vignettes they ran on Raw this past week, we're very well done, Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one?

46:37 I feel like Ron is leaving. I don't really know the rules for this match. I don't really know how it plays out, just that I feel like Ron is leaving, So I'll take Shaney to get the win. Yeah, I like you believe Ronda Rowsey is leaving as well. They shotgun this feud, So I'm gonna take Shannon Basler to win this one. Also, this is a tough one to call. Doctor Trey Gunther defends the Intercontinal Championship against Drew McIntyre. I went back and forth all day long preparing for today's show. Ultimately, I'm going to take Gunther retaining because I think they want to get him past the intercontinal longest reigning intercontinal champion Plateau and surpass Honky talk Man and finally, finally somebody knocks down that Honky Talk meter that Santina Morello had. So I'm gonna take Gunther. I don't love to pick.

47:19 I'm gonna take Gunther. Yeah, I've kind of gone back and forth. I think Drew wins by disqualification, but Gunther teachs the belt is where I'm headed. So Gunther technically retains. Because it's if we thought, like I thought about this yere days, like it's crazy that we have two rains that are like around either around four hundred or well passed four hundred days. But when you have Roman and Gunther going right now, so it's a it's a crazy time in w Either. They're trying to kind of push two guys past records that have been around for you know, thirty years, so it's crazy almost forty years for some of these So both of us will that Honky talk thing is almost forty years. Well, let's get old, all right.

48:00 So both it was taken gun Through and routine Doctor Trey. Next match here is Ricochet taken on Logan Paul and what is supposed to be the most viral match of all time. Who do you like? So if it's the most viral match of all times, you need to take like ken oficillin before the match, a viral I could watch. Okay, Yeah, this is the match of the night for me, Like, I'm looking forward to this match kind of the most, So I'm gonna take Logan Paul getting the win though, Yeah, I like you, I'm gonna take Logan Paul as well. I thought maybe Ricochet we get a big victory here, but I think him being in this match helps his star power, which makes me cringe as the wrestling fan. But let's just be honest. Him getting in this match with Logan Paul's gonna put some nice eyes onto it. Logan Paul takes it seriously, and yeah, I'm gonna take Logan Paul getting victory. He's taken a lot of l's in his w career and he needs to beat someone other than the Miz. Next match is a triple threat match for the w W Women's Championship as Oscar Defense against Charlotte Flair and Bianco Belair. This is a uh, this is a hard one to call as well, but I'm gonna take Oscar to retain because i feel like Charlotte and Bianca have gotten a lot of love during this feud built, so I'm gonna take Oscar. Yeah, Oscar.

49:12 It kind of feels a little bit like when seeing it wrestle Miss at WrestleMania, but the highlight was the stuff with the rock and seeing it and Miss felt forgotten. I kind of feel that way with this where the focus is on Bianca and Charlotte, but the champ is Oscar. So I'm gonna take Oscar to retain as well, because I kind of feel like kind of what we saw in the X Teacher with Diret match, like basically Charlotte and Bianca take each other out, Oscar steals the win because I'm looking more forward to Oscar and EO if that's the route they end up going as well. All right, next match, here's Cody Roads taken on brock Lesner, Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one? And we're not getting the bull rope match like we had to hope for No That pisses me off. I was thinking about that today. Yeah, I was hoping for a little bit bit out of stipulation in there, but that being the rubber match, Rockby in part time Cody getting the build up for whatever they do with Cody.

50:02 Next, I'm gonna take Cody somehow sneaking out the wind. Yeah, I'm gonna take Cody as well. I think if you're building them up to be the face of the company, needs to get a victory over Brock here in the rubber match. So I'm taking Cody Rhodes over Brock Lesner. Next match here is Seth Freak and Ronalds defending the World Heavyweight Championship against Finn Balor. Another one that is very hard to call. But I said on last week Sean, I'm gonna stick with my guns here. I'm gonna take Finn Balor to win and become the new world heavyweight Champion. Yeah. I've gone back and forth on this as well, and a lot of it was the information you put out last week about you know, Seth needs some time off, Seth needs to get healed. You know, we have Becky and Tritious match coming up. I can see them both taking a little bit of time off, so I'm gonna take Finn as well, And a lot of it is because of the storyline you suggested, where Finn has the belt, Damian has the briefcase, and you can tease that tension all the time for the foreseeable for the short term. I don't think Finn will have the belt for long, but I do think that that teasing of attention would be really good at or good at a TV. All right, then let's take it to the main event here. Roman Reigns defends the undisputed Universal Championship and recognition as the Tribal Chief against Jay Usso in a tribal combat match, Doctor Trey, Who do you like in this one? So tribal combat? Is I'd like putin Jabi prison something like that, yeah? Or is it just like a street fight from like our like coconuts involved. I don't know what the rules again on this match are, so I'm interested as much as I want to

51:36 pick Jay because I think Jay is maybe the best overall talent in wrestling right now. Between Promo's facials, in ring works, the whole nine yards, I can't pull the trigger on it. I gotta take Roman to retain. So I'm taking Roman to retain the title at SummerSlam. I am taking Roman Reigns as well. I think this is the guy that's told them the championship until WrestleMania forty and we'll be coming up on three years of him as a universal champion. So both Doctor Trey and I take in Roman Reigns to win against Jay Usso at SummerSlam. And that is our preview and predictions for this Saturday's WWE Summer Stam. I'm really looking forward to the show at Ford Field in Detroit. Of course, we will recap and review the show on next week's edition of SRTU. That will be episode number seven h four on August the tenth, so we'll be recap reviewing everything that has been going on at SummerSlam. Then with that said, let's get a couple of plugs and sponsor.

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