WWE Crown Jewel Recap | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #717 – 11/9/23

0:00 It's still welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition is So Real No Show Episode number seven and seventeen out for November ninth, twenty twenty three. Welcome to your w week Crowns, who will recap and review edition of ass On Team You. I am one after the show. I am Jeff Packer, who joined every single week my host only Doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Tray.

0:42 I could get used to midday pay per views, my friend. Yeah, it's not that bad, especially once we get out of now once again. I'm probably more of a college football fan than you are. True does kind of battle with me a little bit, depending on I live in Alabama, for God's sake. If anybody doesn't know that yet, Alabama rolls hide Alabama games or everything. The state shuts down on game days. But you know, we've only got a couple months left. I'm probably with one o'clock pay per views on Saturdays going forward. Yeah, it helps us old guys out. And uh, I remember the days Doctor Trey win pay per views like started at four or five pm. Actually yeah, I remember those days were great. I mean, I mean boxing boxing was that way too as well.

1:26 Like you had some of the ones that started earlier the day those were those were the good times and even uh you know you're you're free on TV Clash the Champions one would start around like five or six. Yeah, when do you think somebody was like, let's start airing stuff at eight pm? Like you and I can't even sit here as old guys now talk about like the Super like the Super bowls at six, So that's not bad. But World Series games they could be at five, six, seven pm, which I think they're back to seven pms. But for a while they were running eight thirty. Like when do you think wrestling and everything else was like, hey, let's start running stuff at eight pm and end at midnight the next day. See that was some brilliant marketing strategists out in the New York area where it's like, hey, if we maximize the time slot for viewership, because nobody's doing anything at this time or night, we should be able to you know, be run outdobated. For me, it doesn't it's not as bad being an hour behind you. It's you know, starting at seven and being done by ten. It's not horrible, but it does Maybe wish I was in Colorado, but or so we'd start at six and be done at nine plus weeks legal and I'd be high as hell by the end of the step. I was out on the West Coast a couple of years ago, and it was the strangest thing in the world to see baseball on at ten am. I was not out there for the NFL season, which I wish I was, because I can only imagine what it's like to see like we get treated to like the European football games when when the NFL's over in Europe,

3:00 like they'll be in uh Germany again this week, and that starts at like nine thirty am here on the East Coast. I could get behind that type of stuff. Like let me, I'd rather have it in the middle of my day and then I can enjoy breakfast in the beginning that I can enjoy the evening at night, like I I'm down with running like PL's pay per views, especially aw ones at one PM East Coast time. See when I lived in Nevada, I got the West Coast games for the NFL, so I was getting kickoff at like ten am on some days, and I'm like, I'm Sarna, eating like a bullet cheerios, watching like giants, you know, giants packers and stuff like this isn't too bad. And then the Niner game would come on around one o'clock and I'm like, all right, and then games are over. I show the rest of the evening to do stuff that was pretty cool, you know. For the big pay per views, I kind of like it being a viewing in must CTV, like hey man, you know I gotta be home to watch this. But you know, for the wrestle media backlashes of the world or the Crown Jewels or the things that are like secondary pay per views, Okay, yeah, kick it off to like a one o'clock or two three o'clock. That way, by Saturday night, I'm done by seven. If me and the wife, me and the kids want to go out to have dinner and go see a movie, we can still do that. I'm all bored. Like I am happier with Sunday paper or Saturday pay per views because I still get a day to convalesce before going back to work. But the Sunday pay per views where they're not getting done till eleven thirty, twelve o'clock and then I got me

4:31 at work at like six in the morning. Those ones really suck. So you actually bring up an interesting point here because part of me I decided to watch Crown Jewel live on Saturday, and part of me like was debating literally an hour before they pot the show, Like I was watching the pre shows, like, man should I just like it wasn't a great weather day here because it's starting to get cold and damp in the Northeast. I was like, man, should should I just watch this later, like sit down on Saturday night and watch bits and pieces of it on Sunday as well. I think that's a part that we're kind of forgetting now that maybe with the exception of WrestleMania, I'm watching a lot of the wwepls on Peacock like later, like behind the live show or the next day if they're airing on Saturday, I'm watching it on demand and I'm watching it like in between my day, and I think that's like what's going on nowadays is yes, there is still a market for live broadcasting, but if someone can watch the pay per view over a two day time period on Saturday and Sunday, granted if they're not working like an on demand DVR type schedule like I'm down for that. I don't know about you, doctor Trey, but I basically watch all my television programming now, including Raw, NXTAW Dynamite, Collision, Rampage, what have you smacked down. I'm watching it on DVR, and if i'm watching it the night that it's airing, I'm watching it on delay, like pull back

6:05 the Curtain. You and I are recording the show a little bit earlier this week. We'll recording during NXT on Tuesday, and when this podcast gets done and wrapped up, I'll do a little bit of post production stuff and then I'll sit down and I'll watch NXT as far as I can before my old eyes start tearing out on me and I go to bed, and then I'll probably pick up the rest maybe Wednesday morning before work or Wednesday evening for a little bit before AW Dynamite. Like I'm I'm very rarely watching wrestling programming live as it happens anymore. Yeah, the hardest part for me is blocking out social media so I don't spoilers because that is and the wrestling news websites too.

6:46 I have that trouble as well. You literally watched Crown Jewel I finish it up an hour before the podcast today, so I have all wrong. So I will, like with WRAW, I'll go through it and read what happened on and then go through and watch it with my in state traveling. Like today, I had a two hour drive out to check on one of my stores, so I kind of throw it on as background noise when I'm driving, and then you know, you get to the climax getting to finish things like that. I'll kind of, you know, pay attention, but I have the screen on my on my SUV where I can see stuff. So that's how my drives becoming more manageable. Is I just listened to I almost tread like the old days of listening to baseball on the radio, Like I can almost visualize what's happening based on the call. Typically Michael Cole doesn't call you call of John con to choke Slam out of nowhere, and it's like that was basically a rock bottom Michael Cole. But anyway, and digress or you know, referencing cannas Michelle Steff canis lay. I love God, love Michael Cole, but also those you know, little hiccups. I can kind of, you know, watch it and visualize it in my head with actually having to see the action, and then just when I hear something the crowd and excited, I'll, you know, peek over and see what's going on. But that's that's how've been watching a lot of my stuff lately, is because you know, when you got kids, you got a family, and Jeff's buried now and welcome to the club. But you don't always get your way when you're buried to be like, hey we're gonna shut everything down for four hours, yeah WrestleMania backlash, or hey we're gonna shore everything now

8:18 for six and a half hours and watch an aaw pay per views. So you don't always get your way in those situations. You have to adjust on the fly. And hey, all things considered to be this deep into the show, man, I'm actually pretty proud of how far we come with you know, the fact that we can actually have productive, healthy relationships in this current environment wrestling where it's like all the time everywhere. Now, yeah, and this is kind of got to be a theme. I'm organically enough on this week's this of the podcast, so one knowing now that Doctor Treason watch Raw, there is a topic about the men's wargame match, which I guess if you're okay, I'm gonna have to spoil it to you. No, that's fine, I mean I read about it, I just did, okay, and then the last thing being just you know, pay per views in general. We'll talk about here in regards to aw ALL in this week's sition of the podcast, because it's becoming harder to become a wrestling fan a little bit like they don't want you to be tribalism where you're just WE and just AW or just TNA Impact Wrestling or MLW roh, whatever your cup of tea is. But I tell you what, with the amount of programming each one of these companies is putting out, it's getting pretty hard to follow one and the other as well. I mean literally, when this show started, it was just RAW, the NXT, which was the reality show, and SmackDown and then WA pay per views. We did not really cover TNA wrestling unless we needed to. And now aw is basically mirrored what WE is doing to

9:52 a certain amount of extents. Right, They're not doing three hour shows. They have one show that does one hour. But it's crazy how professional wrestling has really evolved and changed in nearly the fourteen years we started doing this podcast. So with that being said, let's start to cover, recap and review we Crown Jewel came to us this past Saturday for Muhammad Abdhubi Arena and Riad Saudi Arabia. The pre show match with Sammy z Ain defeating JD McDonough. Dot Tray and I both had Sammy's Ain My thoughts from the match, Doctor Trey good opener to start the show. I thought it was great to see JD McDonough in the spot with sammuse Ain, who's insanely over in Saudi Arabia. Any thoughts on Zane defeeding McDonough, No, I thought was a good, solid opener, sat a good bar, is at a good pace.

10:35 I like, I don't. I like that they gave McDonough offense, but not too much because Sammy's on a different tier of the pecking order of WW than Jada McDonough. But you know, McDonough's had two matches in one week, one with Seth ronalds with samuse Ay, and so that tells me that they have high hopes for him, at least uh Samy's Ain incredibly over with Saudi Arabian crap, but he's incredibly over everywhere he goes. But it is kind of like he's almost become the new Man's Store for Saudi Arabia to a degree, is like, well, we released Man Swore, at least I got Sammy back in Saudi Arabia, so we'll just go run with that. So I thought it was a good way to kick up the show and really get the crowd amps up for the rest of the card. Next match is Seth Freaking Rons and feeding Drew McIntyre to retain the World Heavyweight Championship. Both Doctor Trey and I had Seth Freaking rowinds my thoughts on this one fantastic match.

11:24 I thought Drew was the new World Heavyweight Champion after the Phoenix splash miss from Seth into the Claymore finisher from Drew, which was a really cool spot. Very few times nowadays where it's like you see a near fall and you actually think it's going to be a free count. I was surprised it was a clean win, and I'm trigued to see how Big Drew responds following this loss. The attempted Damien Priest cash and only to be thwarted by Sam Musana, who stole the money bank briefcase. Was a fun postmatch spot as well, Doctor Trey, I feel like this is a match that folks should be talking about near the end of the year as like a top ten match in Russian wrestling. In my opinion, yeah, in my head, I had it like a four and a half hour match. I thought it was a really damn good match. The near falls really good. Has Seth ever hit the Phoenix Flash? It's been a long time. I mean, he always seems to be doing the uh, you know, landing on his feet rollout.

12:16 Yeah. I think maybe when the Shield first debut, I think he might have hit it once or twice just to kind of show he could do. But like he's never hit. But that was a great spot to head into the false finish day with the Claymore. We hit the false finish with the stomp earlier. Like I thought it was a damn good match. I was surprised we didn't get a Drew meltdown after the match. He kind of just sulked and walked away. Maybe we're they're building up to that at some point, but yeah, for an opening match, I'm like, I was already just kind of going, I don't think Anthony's in the top this the rest of the night. Like that was just a phenomenal starting way to start the show out. Next match is Ria Ripley defeating Ni Jack. Shannon Basler's that we starting Rackuel Rodriguez in a fatal five way match in the Women's World Championship. We both had Rio Ripley winning this match, as she did just quickly. Going back to the Big Drew seth Royland's thing, I just want to make mention Big Drew. You know, they didn't really do much of a followup. You arrive see the arena in his pickup truck gets asked a question about the loss Evan Leaves, which I thought was nice subtle build on the storyline. I expected more, but they did a little subtle thing.

13:24 Back to Ripley retaining some really cool innovative spots in this match, with a small package near fall spot in the beginning of the match, the three way submission spot from Shannon Besler midway, and then the Eradicator finish her from the top rope to break up a pin to get the win from Ria Ripley. Ripley's historic twenty twenty three campaign continues with another dominant win, doctor Trey Yeah Mines. It was like Nia's character never feels like like she we all know, like she could legitimately basically mortaline murder anybody on the roster just size alone. Her characters just never feels like she's taking it seriously. And I don't know if that's the character that's where they want her to go, but just it just never feels like she's close to winning. Even when she's dominating matches.

14:09 Raqueale still looks funky to me sometimes in the ring, like she's still her timing is still a bit off. Shana and Zoe, I thought, came out of this match looking even better, Like Zoe looks like a star, Shanea looks like legit bass. That three way submissions spot was really cool and I love that way Bearson. If she had another limb, she'd be submitting the fourth person right now as well. And then Rhea, did you. I loved her look the other night. It looked she had a very much crow the kind of look to her when she came out, and it just the entrance with all the Saudi men out there. I wish they would kind of explain a little bit more what the entrance is to give US Americans a little more depth to it. I mean, obviously, I guess the Saudis know what's going on, but hey, clue us in every now and then. But I thought the match was really was was pretty good, you know, but for a five way match to be pretty good always impressive.

15:05 And then uh, you know, Rea getting the finish on with that riptide onto Shanea and Raquel with Zoe was was pretty cool. So uh good, so much. I just I'm a Shanea mark. I hate when Shane is the way he takes the pitfall, but I guess they're trying to keep the younger girl safe and protect Naya as well. Next matcher, Solosico defeating John Cena. We both thought John Cena and took the l on that one. Thoughts on this one. The match was all about making Solicicico a killer and a dominant wrestler. They accomplished that by him dominating Seena throughout the match and then the repeated someone and spikes to finish off the match. Scene has been very gracious with his time by giving back to making the younger talent and the w w UH sidebar. I wish we hyped up that this was Solasico's singles match pl debut heading into this one, because I think it would have been a different least decision on my part if they hype that up. The fact that, like he's walking to the ring and they're like, oh, by the way, this is his first singles match on a p l E.

16:00 It was like, why did it take this long to tell the fan base that nonetheless Solo SoC gets the victory? Doctor Try. I almost feel like they didn't know, and I think you're right. I think you're right. You know this is my first, uh solo this is my solo's first solo Peoli match. They're like, really, you haven't had one yet. Crap Michael Cole mention this. It was almost like it was like crap. I had that end. I also like that it's Solo's first match. He didn't have Paul Hayman with him. It was him. It was Solo being solo, and it gave me I don't know, like I love the match, because at the end I felt uncomfortable and I'm like, I know wrestling's fake.

16:42 I know this is this is storyline driven but dear god, I was like, what eight someone with spikes in like four like in a four minute span. I'm like, yeah, they're basically murdering John Cena on television right now. I mean not Impact wrestling murdering, because they actually did that once, but I mean it felt awkward, and for a guy who's been watching wrestling for forty years, when you get those awkward moments, you take it in. It's the closest thing I remember that was, you know lesnar Orton when you're like, did rating just die on TV? Basically because just beat the hell out of him? Like, this was one of those uncomfortable moments, even though it was totally at work, but they did a really good job with it. Next match year is Logan Paul defeating Ray Masteria to win the w United States Championship. Doctor Trey and I both had Logan Paul getting the victory. Thoughts on this one. This was a different kind of match that we've seen from Logan Paul where he focused on a specific body part of ray Maisterio, which was its mid section. It's out of the viral spots and athleticism we typically see from Paul. I felt for the last several months that we would eventually build towards Santos Escovar turning on Raymisterio ever since Ray took Santos spot in the US title match when Ray won the championship, and that appears to be heading in that way, as Santos accidentally left the rass knocks on the apron for Logan Paul to use before chasing one of Logan Paul's friends to the back. Whether wrestling fans like it or not, Logan Paul be in US champion will get new eyes on the w product and I assume this title reign will last until at least Russell Manning forty Doctor Truy. We have

18:15 a surprising and new United States Champion. Yeah. My note to this one was Logan Paul's way too good for as little wrestling as he's done. Like his footwork's on par he pays attention in the ring. You know, I've seen guys, you know, wrestlers go back and forth this week saying that Logan Paul is out of the out of position on that moon thought where he caught Ray. I've seen people say that he saved Ray's life basically by not letting Rey go head first into the matt But the fact that he paid attention, you know, and caught that, and even if he was out of position or rageous undershot it, the fact that he could adjust and basically save save Ray's head and neck was really good. Ray busting out some missions in this match. I don't really remember Ray using submissions ever before, so I liked that. It was also a little bit more depth to Ray's characters still, like, Ray's not just playing the hits, He's doing a little bit of everything. That that moon Salt fallaway slam is fabulous. I have only seen one other person in wrestling do that, and the guy's a freak of nature that does it. So seeing that, and then I don't know if this US title run is gonna go all the way to WrestleMania, just because, like we mentioned last week's show, like to not have the US title and the World title on SmackDown Full Time makes it feel like some guys are just fighting for price. It like like, well, I don't know whether I don't know if you're fighting for. If the titles aren't around, what are you fighting for? So it'll be interesting see how long they run with

19:47 this. I kind of think they might take the belts off of them before Rumble and then give him a rematch at WrestleMania. I just feel like, yeah, I feel like he's involved at least, you know, maybe in the US title p Make sure like you're saying, I just could see that they want to keep this on him to do promotional stuff for the next several months, and maybe he is a regular on television Doctor Try from this point forward. It's as the possibility. I mean, I think it kind of depends on the social media influx against I'm sure right now it's still pretty big. But if he goes off TV for a few weeks, like where are we at the end? Just do the crowds are saying, hey, we need we need some sort of title defendant on SmackDown. Having two part time champions is something that you know, the hardcore fans typically rebel against when that situation arises. In Triple H we trust, right, Doctor Trey and Triple H we Trust? Next match here is Eosky defeating Bianca Bellater to retain their WA Women's Championship, with at EO getting the victory. Thoughts on this one match straged on for a bit and the crowd seemed completely dead until it picked up the final five minutes or so as Bailey try to interfere. Kyrie Sayne's return was a nice surprise, even though it's been in the news the last several weeks. I lining her with EO Sky to help retain and Bailey being shot by Kyrie's return to help her damage control counterpart was a nice twist they last left it, Bailey took out Kyrie saying and ended her runing w back in July twenty twenty. From a storyline standpoint, her and Sasha Banks did that Kyrie is back, She's aligned with EO. Bailey looks like she had

21:19 no clue about it, and they're all in damage control, so that makes things interesting heading into Friday SmackDown, Doctor Trey, what were your thoughts on this one? Yeah, I was. I think I love Eoskuy. I think I think she's miscast as a heel, and I think sometimes that's where the crowd has a hard time picking aside because obviously the crowd loves Bianca, but then we also love EO, so it's kind of hard for them to, you know, get fully behind one side or the other. So I think That's why sometimes you feel like the matches are dragging because the crowds is nothing into it because they don't know who to cheer for. The Kyrie return I thought was great. Kyrie's look. She looks more badass now than she did during her I meanw run. I'm glad she didn't come out and all the Princess Pirate regalia. She just came out looking like a badass chick.

22:06 And I'm gonna be interested to see how this plays out because you know, EO's in damage drill. Kyrie's friends of EO, but she's not in damage control. Not to mention, Kyrie and Osca have history as a former tag team champion. Does Oscar get into the mix and then do we see you know, does Bailey go back to being a babyface? Does do the EO Kyrie and Oscar go baby like? Where do they go with this? So the dynamics in play here are very very interesting. Yeah, it is very nice dynamics and we'll see it all plays out here moving forward. I don't know, it's I guess it's possible Bailey could come out of this as a babyface, Doctor Troy. I mean she people always want to cheer Bailey. I mean, we love people who love like who love this sport. We all know much Bailey loves wrestling, and she's been a heel now for what three years? Three almost four years before the pandemic. Yeah, it was like one of those first new smackdowns on on Fox. It was like October twenty nineteen. So it would I mean, it's if anybody's dude to go back to being a babyface, it'd probably be her. So I recently thought to myself, I'm like, man, if there was a time to bring back NXC Bailey the Hugger now, would be this time. I feel like it's it's due and that crawls little absolutely nuts for the Bailey buddies and that song to play one more time. She needs a she needs a big beat down by all three you know, Kyrie, Osca and EO. So basically she has kind of a little bit of head trauma to come back with the at pony Tail and go back to being the hugger. You know, if they do that, the fans will be chanting for Sasha, right, They'll

23:37 be thinking like Sasha is going to come out, like, oh she's back, She's back. But We'll say. So let's we know we never got the Four horse Women versus the Four Horse Women, but hey, maybe we use Charlotte Bailey and beckig Ains, Oscar Eo and Kyrie say tune, stay tuned. Next match here is Cody Roads defeating Damian Priest, who both had Cody getting the victory. Solid match and what we are used to for both Cody and Damien. Nothing special about this match that really stood out other than I was happy for Damien to get this opportunity against one of the biggest stars in the business. And how will be interesting now? It will now be interesting to see what WWE does with Cody next as we get closer and closer to WrestleMania season. Dutch Trer thoughts on Cody Rhades defeating Damian Priest. Yeah, I love that they let Damian Priest use the reckoning. I thought because he was as Cody debut, he had to stop using it basically, so I'm glad they busted that out once again, letting letting, you know, getting Cody the whim. But it's taking four five Crossroads to put Damien away.

24:36 You know, he usually saves the three Crossroads in a row for the brock Lesners. So Damien getting that rub that it took that much to put him away, Uh is great. By the way, that chokes lamb, that South of Heaven chokes lamb he had on Cody was freaking amazing, Like Cody almost jumped over like he was above like like his heels were above Damien's head. So that was a great bump on that one. So u. And then plus, anytime I can see Domique Seir get booed by foreign people, I get excited about because as he shows, he's over as a heel everywhere. So good job for Dami or good job for dom Yeah. Absolutely, So there you go, Cody Rhodes defeating Damian Priest at Crown Jewel. And then finally the main event here, Roman Reins defeats La Knights to retain the undisputed of WA Universal Championship. We both had Roman Reigns again the victory here. And this is going to kind of bleed in a little bit into the next topic I want to talk about once we wrap up Crown Jewel.

25:32 I think wwe may have growing problem on their hands now that every single Roman Reigns match has a very similar blueprint. Every single time Challenger seems like a formal opponent to dethrone Rains. A near fall where you think the title will change hands happens a member of the Bloodline interferes. The member of the Bloodline takes the bullet for Rains from the challenger. Rains capitalizes on that and wins the match. I'd like to see WWE change it up a bit in these Roman Reigns matches. It's okay for Rains to be dominant, to cleanly defeat his opponent like brock Lesner used to do, or like when the old big dog Roman Reigns held gold. This criticism is coming from a fan in me of the Roman Reigns title Rain as well. Nonetheless, La and I showed he belonged in this main event spot and hopefully this is just the beginning, rather than w w A capitalize on what they may perceive to be a short term popularity growth spurt for La Night. Nonetheless, Doctor Trey Roman Reigns Retains.

26:30 Yeah, so I'll talk of the match for I thought the match was was solid. You're right, the blueprint does kind of take away from the match, like if you watch the match in itself without in a vacuum. I think I would like to match more, but like you said, this is kind of rinse repeat type situation. Then again, I mean, this is Triple Ah and he's from the Rick Flair school, and when Flair was on top, there was horsemen here, faring horsemen in horseman doing something allowing Flair to get the win. This is kind of what he knows, so I don't always hate it. It's a way of them kind of protecting the new baby face. I mean, you go back to Hogan in the nWo, it was kind of the same thing. This is kind of what He'll champions typically do, is they have that backup to let them get the win.

27:23 And even if it was just in the old days of having a manager a ring side to actually get up and interfere. You know, we see with Judgment Day, you know somebody's goning to lose. Fin pops up, Dom, pops up, Rhea, pops up, somebody sneaks in, there's the sneak attack and they get the win. It's kind of heal wrestling one oh one. But yeah, when when you're dealing with somebody who's on a tear like La Knight, Hey, maybe we change it up a little bit. Maybe he makes a mistake because we're playing into this is his first shot at the big time. Maybe he just makes a mistake in Roman capitalizes and that's the finish and is something a little bit different. You can still play off it like he's still learning how to be a main eventor Yeah, I think there's gonna be more about this rain stuff here that we'll talk about here in just a few uh. Pay per view predictions. Both Doctor Trey and I went seven and one. I'm one, O eight and thirty nine on the year Doctor Trade one on one forty six event rating and Match of the night. I gave Crown Jewel a solid three point six. I didn't love it. I didn't hate it. I liked it. It was fine.

28:26 Uh. And my match of the night was Seth Rolins and Drew McIntire Doctor Trait. What say you Yeah, I was in a three point eight. It was on once again. It was there was nothing bad on the show, like everything was solid. It's reminiscent of maybe a bigger version of the old NXT shows where like everything's good, uh, and then you're just hoping for that one or two great big moments to kick out. I thought this would had a great match and then six pretty good matches, so uh three point eight and then Seth and Drew is my match of the night as well. So there you go. Feel free to chime in at SRTU podcast on x or Facebook dot com slashes to a Realta show. So Doctor Trey I talked about it there a little bit. We both talked about a little bit.

29:07 I simply ask is the Roman Reign's title reign slash bloodline storyline stalling out a bit? I think you brought up some really good points that it's that old school booking mentality that this is what the Four Horsemen did, this is what the nWo did, This is what the Judgment Day is currently doing. Where these stables with the heels heeled champion leading it, they protect them heavy interference, and it just builds and builds where you get sick and tired of seeing them at the top and you want somebody, anybody some here to come in and knock them off the throne. Which I'm with that. I like that style of booking. It makes a lot of sense. But I feel like, as it constantly happens time and time again, it when it becomes so repeatable that it's almost like a crime that they're doing this each and every time. I go back to Cody Rhodes Roman Reigns at Wrestle Many thirty nine.

30:03 I love that match. That match was great. That made a lot of sense how that was booked, because I thought the door was open. And then you go to Summerstem against jay usso that made sense based on the storyline with he and his brother and the rest of the bloodline and Roman Reigns. But then it's like stuff with La and I. You know, I've seen this before. I've seen this with Sammy Zain. I've seen this with Kevin Owens. I've seen this with uh Drew McIntyre. Yes, they clashed the cast I'm trying to think of like other opponents of his and we've been there so many times. I've seen it with Edge and Daniel Bryan at rest Many thirty seven. It's like we've seen it time and time and time again, and it makes you wonder like are they running out of ideas? Are they stalling a little bit? Because I feel like, for the first time in three years, mind you, this is not me bitching or shitting on the Roman Reigns title rain or the bloodline storyline in general, because let me tell you, they are hitting Grand Slam after Grand Slam. They're hitting it out of the park every single time, consistently for three years. But this may be the only time in the title reign and the bloodline storyline where it's stalled a little bit. And either they're stalling because they're waiting for something bigger to happen at a later date, whether it be the Royal Rumble or Wreussellmania season, what have you, or they simply don't know what to do, which is a possibility in creative I highly doubt it nowadays with Triple H at the Helmel, but I'll throw it out there anyway. It just feels like that for the first time, Doctor Trey in a three year plus title reign,

31:36 that Roman Reigns is stalling a little bit. The bloodline and a three year plus storyline, one of the best storylines we've seen in nearly twenty years, may be stalling out a little bit, And that's what it feels like right now. It's like the first time that we've seen a little bit of a lag. Do you feel that way? Do you think I'm being a little bit too critical here. What are your thoughts on especially on that LA and Night match at Crown Jewel. I mean you have to also take into consideration this is uncharted territory for WW that we've never they I mean, everybody in creative right now has never dealt with a champion running this law. So it does come down to, hey, there are only so many finishes you can book and still look somewhat original. The problem is, like you mentioned, we've seen it so repetitively over the last few title defenses that it becomes almost sick. Commis it's like watching episode of Full House where you know the one of the girls is going to get into a situation. They're gonna go to dad. Dad's got to fix it. By the end of the show, everybody's all happy. It's kind of the same thing, like we kind of know either Solo's gonna go involved or Jimmy's gonna get involved, and then somebody's gonna take a bullet for that, and then all of a sudden there's the spear and then we get the one two three. There is a little bit of redundancy in it, but at the same time, if you if you look at when somebody dethroned a heel champion, whether it was Flair or Hogan, uh, because those are the two main ones. I could think

33:07 of the crowd response and the pop that person got when they did it. I mean, I remember as a kid, they made Ronnie Garvin a star by beating Rick Flair, you know, they they made when Lex Luger beat Hulk Hogan. You know, on Night dro I think it was that the crowd went nuts for a Lex Luger world title win. I mean that was at the end of Luger's career run basically for the most part, and I was amazed that anybody was still cheering for him. You know, it made Goldberg a huge star, Diamond dowas Page. The problem is is then when do you want to make that move because otherwise you're trying to protect everybody in the match by going, well, he lost because of chickanery, so Roman gets to keep the lynx. But the good guy doesn't look weak because it took everybody take him down. I mean, really, the only heel champion in WWE that this isn't working for is Rehea, and that's just Ria beating up everybody else, all the other heels. This is kind of the modus operandi for everybody in WWE when it comes to heel champions. Yeah, it's it's I don't know. I don't know if I'm just being a little bit too rough. It is old school booking. It's just I want to see something different. I don't think it's a bad thing for Roman to dominate.

34:22 Like he's believable in that sense as well. Doctor try No, I mean he is. He's a legit simonean badass. And that's why I'm saying, hey, with somebody like La Knight, where if you're like La Knight, hits the BFT goes with the pin, Roman kicks out, he jumps up, starts arguing, the ref picks Roman up, goes for a second one, Roman moves out of the way, hits the spear one, two, three. You can blame it on La Knight's inexperience, and he still looks protected by doing that, whereas if you just go to the old interference, take a bullet, there's a pin, you know, and that's it. It becomes it's like, well, he's still protected. But it's the same thing they did with Sammy and they did with Jay, and they did it with Drew, and they did with Cody, and after a while you're like, is it still really protecting the guy? So there are ways to look at the depth of the character of the opponent and still tweak it to make it look fresh. If that's the route you want to go, I'm asking you this in November. Obviously a lot can change here, especially in over the next eight weeks when we get closer to Royal Rumble and then you know, sixteen weeks as we get closer to Wrestlemaning, which is just like absurd to say, but it's it's true. Right, We're like, we're gonna be it'll be six five four, six months, four to six months away from wrestle maning right now about that maybe five months, I guess we'll be the better timeline. You know. They said after the win over Cody Roads that they were in like the bottom of the third inning. It's the baseball

35:52 terminology that we hear from time to time about this bloodline Roman Reigns storyline title Reign, What inning do you really think we're in? Like, are we approaching Russell Mannie forty? Cody Roman two and Cody gets the victory finally. Yeah, I'll think we're in the seventh inning, like the relievers are starting to warm up, the bullpens are getting ready. You know, your starter's getting a little tired, and that's the route you want to go. Like to me, I think that everything's kind of setting up for Cody Roman two. I mean, I still love to see rock Roman La Knight. I mean, I know you kind of mentioned it briefly, the reports that w things he might have hit his peak in popularity, he may have capped out.

36:39 I don't see that gets so, but I do kind of feel like they're writings on the wall for Cody Roman two and that's the way to go. So, I mean, Cody wins the rumble and then challenges Roman. I guess that's where we're headed. Yeah, it's interesting, it really is. And I will say, just all things aside and we're moving. As I think you pointed out here as well. If you if you don't take a new account that they've done this blueprint before this match, did a really good job of protecting lant Night, and I think actually elevated l and Night in a loss. Yeah, because you can here's here's the question. It all comes out to how do you book him coming out of this? And we'll see a little bit more of it on Friday on SmackDown, where certain guys can have a match and you look at go, yeah, he's a main eventor he's the guy we got to keep it the top of the card where Sammy had a great match elimination Chamber and end up at the top of the card of the tag team division. But you know, he just has to, you know, give a promo cop weaks about how he wants to be viewed as a singles main event star, and I'm like, didn't you just have like a match with Roman, like an elimination chamber last year a year ago where you were in the main events, challenging for the World Eayweight Championship in your hometown, Like doesn't that make you a main eventor in that regard, like we've seen it with Jay. You know, Jay gets a match of SummerSlam and then he's a tag team champion. Again. It's like, does La Knight end up in a tag team or something like what do you or do you keep him as a single star and make him the one a or the one beat of Romans one A on SmackDown and build the show

38:10 around him way to Romans not on TV. So I think there's a couple of ways to go about the La Knight stuff. And this is a little bit impromptu. I was thinking about this. I was thinking maybe he versus Logan paul Us title he versus like an Austin theory, Grayson Waller some two heels that are very annoying. You could pull the brock Lesner card for La Knight and then if you really want to help elevate him a little bit, I think you have him pair up against somebody from the Judgment day heading into russell Mania season. But you know, he's definitely fixated on on some big plans. I think that's the way I would go about it right now, Doctor Trading's some eyes on La Night. I'd pair him up with Kevin Owens like hair him up or one on one, like you know, like both baby faces, but like a little bit of you know, we get the comparisons of Owens to Austin, and then people will compare La Knight to Rock like let him play off each other, let them be that oddball pairing where once kind of glitz and glamour and the other one's kind of blue collar, and then you can do the Waller theory stuff. You have them still battle the bloodline and you know, have them both compete for that shot against Roman, leading into real royal rumble, and then both guys are kind of rubbing off each other. We saw that living with Sammy and Kevin heading into WrestleMania last year. But you have to make a decision when Roman's not on TV, who's this show built around. Who are we featuring in that maint Evan spot. Who's our go to guy? And is it La Knight or is it somebody else? Because when Roman's not on the show, the shows are okay, but they're not mussy. You need to develop another mussy star on

39:45 that show to help keep the ratings up and help keep the viewership. Otherwise people are just gonna tune out and wait so for you know, then for wait for us people to say that, hey, Roman will be on the show in two weeks. Okay, well tune back in and watching two weeks. Otherwise, you need that breakout guy to be the cornerstone of the show. At least if Cestona on the show on a raw you got a bunch of other people. You got the Cody's, you got the other guys that you can kind of focus the show on SmackDown outside of Roman and maybe La Knight Right now, like, who else are you building that show around? Switching gears here towards the Wargames match Men's Wargames match. It was announced at the end of Monday's Raw, with Adam Pierce taking the line from William Regal.

40:27 It will be Seth Rolin, sammy's Ay and Jay Uso and Cody Rhodes taking on the Judgment Days Damian Priest, Finnbaler, Dominic Mysterio and Judgment Day friend JD McDonough in the Wargames match, Doctor Trey, Is this the right call for the Men's Wargames match? Yeah, I mean there's really no other stable that's in a deep feud. I mean, as much as we talk about the Bloodline, I mean they're kind of in fighting and from the way Crown Jewel ended seen as going off TV for a while, so they don't really have anybody else to jump in there. I mean, could you have done like Solo and Jimmy Waller in the theory and then pairing up then you probably maybe you throw Lashly in the profits and somebody together, but on paper, this is the best pairing of all these guys. Plus you know, at any point, I mean, you have a war Games match in your World Champions in it, you could easily have Damian Priese cash in post match, So there's some intrigue to that as well. I love that idea.

41:27 I actually thought about that as I was watching the end of Raw. It's funny you say that, because I was like, man, it would be so cool if they use the Wargames match hip for Damian Priest to cash in. I mean, I think it's the other War Games matter we've had it where like it ends, it basically everybody's down and one guy happens to get the pin, and then Priest pops up grabs the ROMs south of Heaven through a table inside war Games and pins them and could escape with the title. That would be pretty cool. And then you know, you get a little bit of a run with Damien Priests and maybe Seth wins the rumble to get his remat to wrestle any you know something like that, So you can go that route, and that way you also get to find out if Damian Priest could be a main eventor so. But yeah, on paper it's the best pairing. Plus you know, Sammy's been in him. Uh, let's see, has anybody else been in like, Priest has been in one, Sammy's been in one. Uh, Jay's been in one? Was in one?

42:21 I thought Priest was in one in NXT, was he not? Okay? Maybe not? Maybe? I know Owen's been in some, Sammy's been in one, Jay's been in one. Cody was in Blood and Guts, right, Yeah, I guess that's kind of I don't think Rollins has Uh No, Rollins hasn't been in one. Finn been in one yet, I don't believe. So. I only think it's Jay and Sammy who's been in one. And you know so to get by the way, I'm loving the idea of the endomic mysterio in the War Games. I love Tom but I mean it's weird. I used to hate him and now he's one of my favorite people to watch because he's so good it being just a shitty heel that every one you get destroyed. Uh. And then you throw in the Judgment day in turn JD McDonough into the mix, like like those some small guys are gonna get tossed around in that match, so and they're gonna be like, really what Seth and Cody? Seth, Cody and Samuel the Also, the Judgment Day has all the young guys that take the big bumps. Uh.

43:20 And then we all know Cody will moon salt off anything if he's in a cage. So that stuff that's definitely happening now again. They had a very funny line behind the scenes on Raw backstage where Damien you know JD McDonald's weren't Damian pre shirt? Uh? He asked JD McDonough in a fit of rage, did you buy that? And he's like, you left it around? I was like, that was just like such a very funny throat, Like why are they doing this? I think I feel like and I love when when wrestlers do this because the Bloodline did it a lot. I feel like the Judgment Days trying to pop one another a lot, and it's making for very subtle, funny television. This right now is a four on four match.

44:04 Last year they did five on five. Should we expect two people to be added to this match? I mean, who do you throw in? Like? Who do you add the big Drew with the judgment day he'll turn But then who do you have go on the other side? I hear voices in my head. That's true, you could do that. I for some reason, there's part of me that want to see like Ria and Rockqueale get into this, or Ria and Zoey, like just add the girls and you know Rea act. I mean, Ria can beat up half the guys on the roster anyway. Hell, we've seen Naya toss around guys like throw them into the mix too, like I'm sure they'll be I'm sure they'll end up the women's war Games match as well to kind of counterbalance it. But uh, you know, throw Drew and Randy into it. That's fine, But do you really want Randy's really first match back in to be inside wargames like that and trade offs? Like I kind of want his first match to be back like on a bed made of feathers, so now I don't have to worry about him taking bumps. They are They are crazy people, especially one Randy Uran. And then finally here Doc Trey wanted to bring up. World's End was announced for December thirty. The aw World's End NASAU I'll sum in Long Island, New York. That makes another month with another AW pay per view. November will be full gear. Decemberly World's End. I would expect something will be announced for January February. I assume his revolution. But this

45:34 is the report that AW would be adding monthly pay per views. It's happening now. As a wrestling fan, As an AW fan, is this a good or bad thing? Uh? Maybe it's good because you can kind of get condensed for sixcinc storylines maybe instead of trying to like the like we love AW AW for the most part, it's really good. But when they they do like long term storyline, sometimes it's all over the place and they have to remember how to get back to it. Maybe by shortening it up and going, okay, we got three weeks pay per view, three weeks pay per view, three weeks pay per view, it's easier to tell shorter burst storylines and then still have a longer term one if you want to do it that way. So I'm gonna say it's okay, it's not a bad thing.

46:23 I'm not a hey more more pay per views. Maybe it means that they're gonna make him shorter. You know, and we're not doing five hour paper views. Maybe you can say, hey, you guys won't be on this one, but you'll be on next months one, you know, and that way they can kind of go that way and not saucess completely. And then the other thing is World. That was one of my favorite movies in the U Sean of the Dead trilogy. They did so good little pub crawl movie, if you ever want to go back and watch it. I am dreading more aw pay per views down to try. Really, I just think that they're so freaking long. I'm trying to watch what I say because I can hear young Sammy in the background, and he doesn't need to learn any more bad language from us. He's heard it all this week. But if we do it's like just to mention, if you do a if you tell the guys, hey, you won't be on this pay per view because we're gonna keep it three hours, you'll be on the next one, which will be three hours. Also, if we get two to three hour pay reviews, this's in a one six hour pay per view, it's more digestible.

47:27 Yeah, I just hope that they do shorter pay per views because the five hour thing that we just saw with Wressell Dream and Wressell Dream is a great show, but it's like, I gotta tell my family I'll see them in the morning at five o'clock because they wanted to run a two hour pre show. I feel like, if you're going to do the monthly pay per view model, you need to tighten up your shows here. We don't need to have these throwaway matches anymore. I don't need to see Emmy Sakura taking on sky Blue for the sixteenth time in a row for no freaking reason, or like this random trios pairing of Emmy Sakkara and a J and Marina Shafira taking on Willow Nightingale sky Blue and this random girl Kira Hogan, Like what are we doing? What? How do we build towards this? With zero hour?

48:19 What was the one last week or last with the Shane or Keith Lee and Dustin Rhodes and Mark Briscoe. Yeah, it's like wait, Like, well, the Davilan Paprie was like a it was an intergender six man tag or eight man tag. Oh yeah, I think you're right. Yes, Keith Lee has been like the king of random matches in AW lately, like how the Mighty have Fallen? In every pay per view he looks completely different, Like one week he like Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince, and then like also a d aged thirty five years like Star Wars CGI Tech. Now. Yes, I felt like he was going with like a Mordecai gimmick there for a little bit for those remember Mordecai in the early two thousands. Nonetheless, World's End December thirty. I honestly have no idea if Doctor Tray and I could actually preview and predict that podcast yet, because we usually take off like the final three week time frame around the holidays. We'll see what we can do here, folks. It's like, hey, let's throw in a paper for you during the holidays. Here, I'm just saying, it depends on how far behind I am in the prediction. True, true, Yeah, who never knows. You never know. I could be as well, and all of a sudden we're recovering it. It's like, hey, man, what are you doing today? It's Christmas? Let's record. Nonetheless, there you go. That is this week's edition of sr TU. Let's get a couple of plugs and sponsors out of the way. You can on the show every Thursday or Friday at realgud reader dot com, Russell chatnett on X and The's still a real show iTunes, feed a fort to rate, review, subscribe tubs, climb the charts on iTunes. You can follows interview individually on

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