Why did AEW air the "All Out" backstage footage? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #740 – 4/18/24

0:00 It's still welcome. Everybody. Welcome to this week's edition of mist A Real Show. Episode number seven and forty for April eighteenth, twenty twenty four, is your AW Dynasty preview and predictions edition of ass R Team You. I am one after the show. I am jad pect who joined every single week my coast one only, Doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey, did the footage change your mind? My friend? I mean, I still think Bigfoot's real.

0:49 I'm sorry the footage of the young bucks. No, no lockness monster? Oh yeah, see the so lockness. I don't believe it. But I did come across a trailer for a movie that's all about sasquatches, so that that's a documentary. Probably I think so, but uh not sure. But I'm all in on Sasquatches. Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. Welcome, everybody, Welcome to this week's this thist rialto show more on Sasquatches, lockness, monsters, and Bigfoot later on in the program. Lots to cover here, obviously, AW Dynasty this Sunday on pay per view, Doctor Trey, we need another long pay per view in our lives. I was confused. I thought Dynasty was was an eighty soap opera. You know, I did not know if I was going to reference that, but I think you and I have dated ourselves because now we're gonna I was gonna do a Linda Evans reference, but I was like, nobody will get to Linda Evans reference. That would definitely bury it at that point. So yeah, no, it's a reference that I was like, hmm, I wonder if anybody connects with the old soap opera. It was like, probably not, maybe doctor Trey, maybe coming the couple of people that are over what thirty five? Is that fair? Even? Did? I think? I asked my wife if she knew it was. She's thirty six, and she was like, I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is.

2:12 I mean, I'm thirty seven. I did not watch an episode. My grandmother when she would watch us is more of a days of our lives than I think? Was it? A Different World? Was another soababera. No, you're thinking of another world, another world, that's what it was. I think a different World was like a ninety sitcom Cosby Show spin off. That's what it was. Yes, yes, yes, so I'm blending my young adolescent TV viewing here all in one you know, programming where I'm actually covering professional wrestling, which I watched as a young adolescent as well. So yeah, I did not know if the Dynasty reference would connect with a lot of our fan base and our listeners, but hopefully for those over forty.

2:53 Is that fair? If you knew what the show Dallas was, you knew what the show Dynasty was, Okay, fair fair enough? So if you watched it at Nicked Night or like soap TV, I guess this is for you guys. So yeah, yeah, those are those references. But yeah, we were going one weekend like a normal life without a wrestling pay per view, and now we're going back into another weekend with another wrestling pay per view, and then I think there's a week weekend off without wrestling pay per view, and then Backlash in France in early May is the following weekend. I got admit doctor Trey and we talked about like trying to get your life back together everything like that following WrestleMania. I shit, you not everything that I was trying to get caught up on, like when it came to leisure stuff, television shows, podcasts, what have you. I legitimately got caught up this morning. So Thursday morning, as you and I record this Thursday night for a Friday download, is when I legitimately got caught up from everything that I was behind on thanks to WrestleMania weekend. Wait, so now I'm curious because so, like, I guess, I guess I don't watch that that much television. I guess anymore because I like, I just found the show Ballers like I had heard about it. So I'm like, all right, I'll watch this for a little while. And I just watched all season one last night. So how many shows do you have for like must see

4:24 viewing that you were behind on? So what? Like? So what I prioritize is the weekly wrestling shows, so from Raw, NXT, Dynamite, SmackDown, Rampage, Collision. I will always prioritize for the podcast. The other stuff that I and I will say that that's from the wrestling side of things. What I have prioritized as well, which adds to this, is watching Yankee games. I always will try to. I'm trying to watch more baseball. Now I've got dot TV. Shout up. My brother who has t mobile and like gave me his account, so thank you to my brother.

5:08 Try to watch a lot more baseball. So then the secondary stuff that I try to get caught up on is NXT level Up. I still watch that legitimately because I like to see like people before they make it on the NXT level So like Jadeveon and Evans who's been on NXTV lately. I always remember Tiffany Stratton before she started having her beginning vignettes, and Trick Williams was even getting a lot of love on NXC level up Dark Side of the Ring. I've been watching love that show. I don't know if you've been watching it. Doctor Trey highly recommend the A and E biographies for w A. I'll watch. They just brought back Most Wanted Treasures rivals from we and I will from time to time try to watch some new Japan stuff as well.

6:00 So it's like the secondary wrestling watching. And then there's obviously the stuff that I watch with like my wife, whatever we're trying to watch on a binge, watch with Disney Plus or say big fan of the show The Challenge, which would probably be a podcast in itself, a MTV Challenge. It's like the fifth sport in America. So those are the things that I watch. I hopefully that didn't. You know, I give everybody my TV guide right there. So I was curious because being you know, you're I guess you guys are kind of out of the honeymoon phase of marriage. You know, we have we've been together for thirteen years, so yeah, yeah, but you're also newly newly wettish. You know. I didn't know if yours and your wife's viewing habits started to have now started to trump some of the wrestling stuff where she was like, look, I know you watched WrestleMania, but we got three episodes of The Bachelor. We catch up. I do know what I do. Not That is like, okay, so she's got her shows that she watches, whether it be The Bachelor or Dance the Stars of American Idol, that type of stuff, and then that would be the other side of that would be all the wrestling. So I think she always enjoys that I watch wrestling because she can get caught up on her stuff. Gotcha, gotcha, by the way, So the funny thing is about either show ballers obviously started the Rock sat down and watched it, and my wife goes Oh, that's the that's Doulay Heel from Psych. I love Psych, and so that is what hooked through watching Ballers with me last night was because there was the guy from Psych in that show. Naturally, naturally when people love

7:31 that show. I have never watched Psych, but I've heard that shows great. I've heard that and like Suits is like the Mussy shows. It's weird because it's so I know we're sidetracking in the toevision, but it's really big on Netflix right now because like now will have all the old USA shows, White Collars, Suits. They're actually doing a spin off of Suits. I think it's coming out next month as well. But those shows are really good. But yeah, no, Psych. If you love just like fun comedies, like sitcom comedies, is a great show to watch, and that has been your fun sitcom comedy with Doctor Trey and Jeff Beck. Let's switch gears to professional wrestling, something that I wish was a sitcom with some of the decision making that aw has been making as of late. We're coming off of a dynamite from last night as we record this Thursday night, handing a Dynasty that was really good, very solid, great crowd, great opening, speech from John Moxley the week prior, I think is being discussed as one of the worst dynamites of all time from several different viewpoints, whether it would be the matches that they had, the segments that they had, or more importantly the airing of the aw all out backstage footage. So I don't know if we mentioned this or not in the podcast, but last week we literally delayed our recording because I was watching. By the time it lined up, I was watching the aw all Out footage and at that point dot Com Troy had not seen it, so I figured we will talk about it a week later,

9:03 watched it, had my quick thoughts, rewatched it again, had very similar thoughts. Do not know where Doctor Tray stands on this, but obviously everybody knows the backstory. Ciampunk had his interview with Aaron Halani on The MA Hour. Gave the first account of anything from Brawl Out, what happened in All Out with Jack Perry, what have you? First time we had heard anything with all this ndabs and professional wrestling is filled with backstage drama stories. I mean literally, they have a show called The Dark Side of the Ring because of stuff like that. So we were desperate for it. AW decides that they're going to air the footage get some eyes on it. They make that announcement on collision during WRESTLMANI a weekend. I've seen the footage, Doctor Trey. I assume you have seen the footage. Yeah, I mean, first and foremost terrible move by AW. Okay, I guess I should say from a before standpoint, before we see anything good move because people want to see it, they get to bump the ratings bump. People will tune in airing the actual footage, and what I saw and cmpunk's account just being confirmed looked utterly ridiculous. I don't know why AW aired the footage. Well I do, because they wanted a ratings bump, but they did nothing to help their brand. They did nothing to help their product. They confirmed what cmpunk said in the interview. Why the hell did they air this footage? Umm?

10:37 And maybe you feel different than me, I mean this is the first we're talking about it. Yeah, so I'll say overall, I agree with you. To me, the funny part was kind of being on social media and immediately it was like ninety percent of people I saw agree with us, and then the ten percent that were just you know, being contrarian for the sake of being contrarion short as it was literally a try to get a rating spike heading into the WrestleMania weekend, and then apparently somebody thought this is a good way to tie it into a storyline. And I'm like, like, this is where sometimes having actual writers on staff or having no people somebody to say no, ye, like this is not a good idea. It's it's similar to you know, we always talk about how great the Attitude era was for the most part, but then there were certain things that happened that were like, yeah, that was cridgeworthy, but we just to say, like there nobody would tell Vince no. And I feel like this is a situation where somebody had this idea, Tony Cohn goes, yeah, that that'd be a great idea, and nobody had the guts to say no or didn't know about it enough to tell him no. Like I once again, when you watch the footage, like there's no upside for them in this, because, like you said, it makes CM punk look like he was telling the truth.

12:05 M you know, Tony Kahn saying he feared for his life. What in there did I see that made somebody fear for their life, and it made one of their under contract wrestlers look even worse. So I and then you get the crowd channing cm Punk, the crowds channing for a guy that you guys no longer have under contract, which is gonna make any casual viewer go, oh, I wonder what he's doing this weekend. Oh yeah, it's wrestle MANI weekend. I should probably make sure I watch that. So I don't see what the upside of this whole situation was for them, unless it is just too Eventually reintroduced Jack Perry to the AEW crowd and further along a storyline that's unnecessary for a show that says they don't need storylines for compelling matchups. To create this storyline, FTR Young Budgs matchup is maybe one of the dumbest decisions since Cain had coffee spilled on it by Chris Jericho or the Was it the shampoo commercial with Booker T and Edge. Yes, Yes that led to a WrestleMania match, the shaving of the backs between FTR and USOS Hey. They even referenced that, yeah in their promo following that segment.

13:26 Yeah, I mean, there's easier ways to reintroduce Jack Perry than airing that footage. If that footage aired and it was like Jack Perry putting CM Punk in a choke hold, it made CM Punk look like a liar. I'd be sitting here with a different tone of voice being like, oh you know, I mean that made Punk look really bad. And he went on Halani and said that he controlled the situation for them to air footage, which was funny because Halani actually had posted a on the top of the video that I saw like maybe thirty minutes after the video aired on Dynamite last week. They have Punk telling his side of the story, and right below the video is the actual footage. Aw did a copyright refrigement and remove that video even though it's close captain television, which I believe is illegal to do in like certain countries. People were saying online like you can't do that because in the UK it's public access or what have you. Anyway, I mean, they he had that footage and it was literally Punk describing the situation perfectly, and I was like, okay, so what the like if we're trying to make Punk look bad, did not work. The Tony Khan fearing for his life stuff makes him look incredibly weak. Now, even though I saw some wrestling journals come out and say that the part that made Tony Khan fear for his life was not aired, I don't know what that was it. I guess we'll never know, but I mean, they could have verbalized the situation and that could have been the way to bring back Jack Perry. I fully expect Jack Perry to return this Sunday at Dynasty. I fully expect him to be involved

15:01 in a latter match. And this is tipping my hand into who I'm picking, but I fully expect him to interfere and cause the result in that match, and now you've got Jack Perry back in all elad wrestling. It was something that we have heard before where Vince this was a vincick Man move where Vince had a buge of his ass and wanted to get back at somebody and would do something, whether it was like the self destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD that had been aired, or you know, different shots that he's taken over at wrestlers over the years, and he was the only one in favor of it. It was very tedious, It was very It did nothing for the product, and I did not walk away. I walked away from that segment as a lesser fan of AW than I was before. And I've had mike ripes with AW lately. I've been very optimistic when it comes to them in their improvement. There are a lot of wrestlers that are on that show that I really truly enjoy watching perform, but it has become such a mundane, almost boring, very not entertaining at all, lack of creativity that I've seen in some times, and I think that has a lot to do with what you're seeing play out on WE television right now. I mean, it's completely night and day. The n ring work that AW stars do is phenomenal.

16:26 The creative and the entertainment that surrounds that nucleus of the N ring work is not there. It is not good at all, and this is another case of it. I just thought this was a really bad look for AAW. It's not like I'm not going to be a fan of them anymore, but I think it alienates the fan base and for those people that are out there saying like this is a WCW like move and whether it be supporters of AW wrestling journalists employees of AW that are like saying, no, it was not. I disagree. I think that was a w CW tactic. Doctor Tryan was it was a very very bad move at the end of the day. Yeah, when when you started your sins up by saying it was a very Vince and then you said, McMahon, I thought you were doing Russo.

17:11 Like to me, this is a this was a very Vince Russo esque move. You know, the fingerpoke of Doom getting mad at Hogan, getting mad with like anything greative, control wise, all that stuff, you know, very w CW two thousand and one type move. It's it's a very immature move, Like you're upset because a former wrestler that you editor contract went on a you know, medium popular podcast and told his accounting of the story and you felt like you had to counter act that where turn the other cheek or the old WWE tactic of just doing ignoring the competition might have been better for you, Like this is very much like you know, the the angry ex girlfriend, you know telling the new girl friend they oh he still texts me every now and then. It's just it's a very kind of just immature, childish thing, and I think that kind of does also quantify punk statement of the leadership at aw so, Like, like I said earlier, it to me there's there was no upside to this other than a quick ratings bump, you know, and then maybe reintroducing a character that I don't know how many people were clamoring for his return as well, so I the bump is it? And then once again how many people and I don't know, if I don't know, if the rains were last night's show have come out,

18:41 how many people did that piss off that didn't tune in this week to what was a really good episode of Dynamites, Like you kind of shot yourself in the foot because I know what we might touch on a later but I mean, the opening segment with Moxley was really well done. The end of the show with Swerven Joe really well done. You just rain Claudio Aspray was a fantastic match, you know, jer One hook I could do without. Yes, well I didn't know we were going to talk about that, but yeah, but overall the show is really well done. You're opening in your clothes, which is one thing I've constantly complained about AW is how they segment their show. The opening and the clothes were really great, but did you lose one hundred thousand viewers because you just pissed off people by showing that footage.

19:30 And basically, you know, for anybody who's been like AW, I believe what AW says seem Punk was right. Mm hmm. And that was the point I wanted to make to and you said it. There was what Punk said about the leadership there and Tony kanbying a detriment to the company, like that kind of affirm that his opinion is correct. I like, there's always going to be always two sides to every story. But from what I have come to know when Cmpunk, for the most part is I have always felt like he is a no bullshit, honest type of person, and his interview with Aaron Hollani and then the footage and the decision that they made basically confirm that to me. So I'm a Punk fan. I'm an AW fan, But you know, it was really a moment that I watched it and I kind of thought to myself, like, if I wasn't doing a wrestling podcast, I may not be watching this product anymore because I really really teeter with them lately. It's like they go through a stretch leading into pay per view that is really good, like a great build. The Revolution was a great build. The stuff with Dynasty for most of the card has been met at best. Yeah, but it'll be saved on Sunday when we sit here next week because they had a very strong wrestling pay per view. But as what I have come to see with WWE over these last six eight months or weeks

21:06 i should say, and months in general, is why am I enjoying the product overall than AAW is. While I'm a fan of great inn ring work, I need to have a reason to go watch the n ring work. And that's the entertainment value that dode Wee is providing right now that I feel like AW is not. And if you're like just a pure wrestling fan and you don't need storylines and you don't need entertainment around that to get you to the table, Like granted I don't need that to go watch well Os Bray and Brian Danielson who have had a very good build, but a lot of people need that and that's why like AW needs to get out of that niche product zone and become more of a modernized, successful product. Like there were just some things that I read today and the conference call for Dynasty where somebody was like they had asked him, did you regret airing that footage? And he said that ratings because the fan backlass online and Tony Kahna said that the ratings for the segment were really strong and that is the biggest outlier and like the thing that you should go off of and Grennam paraphrasing, and I'm like, this is a guy that talked about like listening to his fans, like maybe own it a little bit, like this was a mistake, but I highly doubt that. Nonetheless, I don't understand why they aired at Doctor Trey.

22:21 I think it was a bad move and I think it was a potentially a detrimental move for AW in the long run Doctor Trey. So I don't know. I mean, are there ever points for you where you watch the product and I feel like you're probably closer to this than I am, just in discussions that we've had on the show and even like off air, are there moments where you're like, you know, I don't know if I could watch six hours of AW a week anymore. Yeah, I mean honestly, a lot of times I catch dynamite on the replay, Like I have a couple of apps where I can go back and watching if if it's a storyline or a match I am not interested in. Yeahd of skim through it. And the stuff I'm into is what I kind of like this. This is Joe and Swerve. I'm gonna watch that Danielson Ospra, I'm going to watch that stuff. You know, those ones make sense to me, But some of this other stuff, I'm like, I don't get it and for me and maybe I am still the old the old guy yelling at clouds, and you know, I need a little bit of good storytelling. And I also need stability, like I, you know, people constantly switching sides back and forth. You know, I lose intro, I lose track of who am I supposed to be cheering for? Again? Who am I supposed to be booing? Like? Why is this happening? Like you, I kind of need a little depth to it, And it was It's funny that I was actually watching. I've been going through watching a lot of the Chris van van Valet van Villa, I don't know if that's his last ning, but he does all the interview users like that, and I saw one with Disco Eferno

23:52 and I'm like, watching this, I'm like and at one point Disco asked, Hi'm like, what's more important to you? Storytelling or the end ringwork? And he's like, well, I cind of need both, and I'm like, I need both, but I need more storytelling. Because we referenced this earlier, like the show Dynasty was a soap opera, wrestling is supposed to be a soap opera in a lot of ways. It's supposed to be soap operas with violence, you know. And I can go watch two guys fight for the sake of fighting. It's called UFC three hundred, But did you have see three hundred? Do the amount of buys or views that wrestle Maybia did, I'd probably say no. And it's a legitimate combat sport where this is a scripted combat sport. But the storytelling is what draws you in.

24:38 It's compelling television, and there are times with Dynamite that I just don't think it's good television. And you know, and that's why I'm saying, like this week, the episode Dynamite had a great opening and a great ending, which made me want to watch Dynasty for the Joe Swerves match because I'm intrigued to see where they go with this. But the other stuff and the week before, I'm like, God, I do I really want to keep chasing this? It's you know, it's it's like, you know, what was it? What hero is called? Hero? That is called it chasing the dragon to get the good additional high, but the addital high you never get that again. And I kind of feel like though AW right now, like they're the initial launch of AW was fantastic. We're all excited, and we keep waiting for them to get back kind of to that level. It just every time they get close, they shoot themselves in the foot and we're just left, You're disappointed, scratching our heads. Yeah, like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and then like a good portion in twenty twenty one, AW was really good and then just commpletely tanked. I mean, you're seeing it. I mean, look at the attendants. I mean last night, even though Indianapolis was such a great crowd for them, the upper levels were completely blacked off, tarped off, and there's plenty of pictures online where there's empty seats everywhere. I think the wherever they just were for Battle the belts On and Collision on Saturday night. I mean, there was a video taken and it looked terrible. I mean they did not have people in the farthest back of the arena on the first level. I mean there were television sections

26:11 that were completely nobody in the seats, and then very far away in you know, like directly behind the attendance excuse me, the announcers booth on back it was there was nobody sitting there and it was just it was terrible to see. And you can't tell me like wrestling is the hottest it's ever been when like they can't fill in an arena in these parts of the country. It's just it doesn't doesn't make sense to me. And I know they're going to Wembley and they had eighty thousand back in August. I think a lot of that had to do with aw finally debuting in the UK, obviously, and people wanted to break the attendance record, which they did. Props of them, But now I saw ticket sales for All Out London, All in London again and I think it's at like forty right now, which would be half. I mean, forty thousand is still something that you don't like batch your eyes at, but I mean it's literally half of what they did it.

27:08 I feel like they have eroded away a lot of goodwill that they had with wrestling fans. And we enjoyed seeing the verbal sparring and the abuse, you know, the stuff at w W and all that stuff. But I think it just got too much. And even like the tagline they're using right now is very wswish where it was, this is where the best wrestle. I mean that's literally where the big boys play. I mean, like what like they like parody themselves at this point. It just it's absurdity. But anyway, that is the all out backstage footage. I will say there was a moment where a shot at W I did feel like was justified Doctor Trey, and that is when will Ospray took shots at Triple H. That was not something that he did on his own. Triple H came out in the Pat McAfee show Headed into Wrestling Any Weekend mentioned that there's wrestlers out there that don't want to do the grind taking shots at them. Everybody felt like in the wrestling world that that was a direct shot at will Ospury, who said he wanted a lighter schedule. He came out mentioned about the grind that Triple H was talking about and how Triple H, you know, want to be in a position that he is today if he didn't grind the boss's daughter.

28:15 Well, I understand that there is, you know, obviously an ounce of truth to that. I think it is also safe to say that Triple H is a brilliant mind when it comes to creative I will defend that point, though, Doctor Try. I will defend that Will Osbray did have to kind of give it back to Triple H on this a week ago after Triple H basically said those things about him. Well, I'm kind of on the Triple A side on this one a little bit because I could say that it's an indirect shot at will Osbury. But there's also a lot of guys who take the AEW contract because it's a lighter schedule. So there's quite a few guys who left WWE or signed with AW because the schedule's lighter. So it's not necessarily a shot directly. Will Osprey's just a shot of the different mindsets of the generations, because you know, guys like Trepoyte did grind on the independence, did go grind on the other card of w CW and make their ways up there. Now did he get a position of power because of his relation with Stephanie, Yes, absolutely, But I can look at that shot and say that wasn't necessarily directed will Ospry. He's just the most recent signing that AW has, so it makes it look look more like it's a shot at will Osbury. I think wrestling is changing a little bit. I can understand your perspective, where from yester years we're learning how important it is for wrestlers to get a little bit of a break, be home with family. They don't need to be on the road three hundred days a year. And I

29:45 always felt that if WWE got a little bit lighter on their schedule that they would be able to attract more top notch free agent talent, which WWE may not be looking for. But I think adding oct uh An Osprey to the roster would have been phenomenal. I think that there's probably a little bit more to it. There was a lot more money offered to Will Ospray, I wouldn't be shocked if Osprey is getting some help in travel as well, which I don't believe w W stars get. I think that was something I heard Dax Hardwood say in an interview. I can understand the Triple H point, but what I'm what I'm trying to say is I think will as For anybody that says that will Ospray wasn't justified, I believe he was. I think he is, and I'm kind of happy that he did because I think from an en Ring standpoint, he's really opened eyes to the United States audio audience that may not have known him. And I think even on the microphone, he's really stepping up and showing that he can he can hang with some of the top as well. So I thought I thought it was I thought he was justified. Unlike the all out backsage footage. I didn't have an issue with what he said because basically, like I said, I don't think Triple A was singling him out with that statement. But like I said, he is one of those recent sidings. It was well, and he had come out and said that he wanted the lighter schedule. Yeah, and I'm sure but other wrestlers that have signed with AW have said I took it because I

31:17 wanted the lighter schedule, And a lot of those guys came from the WWE world, like a mirro FTR. Moxley, and they also like the freedom of being able to go to New Japan or Independence where AW allows it. Yeah, and so like I get why, I mean it was I mean to me, I look at like he didn't name a name with Tribley said he didn't name a name, but it wasn't If you're a wrestling fan, I feel like you knew he was talking about just because it was so fresh in everyone's mind. But I could have said the same thing that he might have even say that about Katak because O Katak's of the same deal. Is it that Ospray came out and said that's what I'm saying. Yeah, Okada didn't come out and say that stuff. Osprey did. Did he want the lighter schedule was more appealing to him given his family situation, but it Conda might have said it to WWE in the negotiation. I don't think they ever reached that far. I don't think according to what we're reading here, I don't think there was overtures, but I don't think w w WE ever gotten any type of negotiations with either one of those guys. Like my thing was, I would say, like, I understand why Osprey took it to me once again, being you know, up in the upper management, you have to say things that sound vague. But I also know why when people say things that are vague about me, and I know it's a shot at me, you know. So I don't have a problem with Osprey saying what he said because he took Richard Blade said as a shot at him. I think that you understand, like you say things to be vague to not single out

32:47 well an employee or somebody that you tried to bring onto your team. But I can say why an employee or that person would take it personally well, I mean, Will Ospray didn't say Triple H all he you know, basically said his name, and everybody in the wrestling world believes that Triple H was talking about Will Ospray without saying Will Osprey's name in that situation. So I just felt like Ospray didn't bring that to himself. He didn't come out of left field and decided to do that they came at him. I think it's different to me when comparing the all out backstage footage situation with a Tony Kahn and cmpunk, then it would be will Ospray Triple H because, like CM Punk was asked the question, said it very matter of factly, was honest about it, and then it was confirmed and basically accomplished nothing. Both guys in Ospray Triple H didn't say each other's names and we all were just left for the imagination. I think Ospray goes down as one of the biggest regrets that WW will have in this timeframe of not signing him. I mean he I have been absolutely blown away by him Doctor Trap. I've I've watched him in New Japan. We obviously saw him in AW a little bit frequently.

34:07 I have been blown away by every single one of his matches so far because you get to see it on a consistent basis, and I have been very blown away by his in his microphone work and his character development as well. Oh yeah, now, to me from from the last from that last week, Ospray came out looked like a bigger star like Ospray basically didn't back down from triple ah, which I applaud him for that, whereas the all inputs I think just made the leadership at AW look bad. So I think Ospray looks good at what he did, Tony Kann looks bad at what he and I agree like Ospray entering obviously phenomenal. We all knew that his promo work is far better than I gave him credit. Point Like, the dude's a natural to MIC. He knows how to connect to the crowd. He knows how to work a crowd. He knows how to get his you know, get his quibs or jabs in where it's maybe a little subtle and the crowd goes, ooh, I know what he's talking about. So that's one of the little tricks that when you're cutting a promo, it feels like if you feel like you're letting the audience in on something, they attract to you more sy and punts. Maybe the greatest of all time when it comes to that.

35:16 So Ospray of the last week just has increased his star power immensely just between the promo from last week the match with Claudio this week. And I'm really interesting to see what the end result of what happens that dynasty with Ospray and Danielson is because we're entering in this little Blackpool Combat Club don Kallas Family viewed and Ospray kind of seems to be, I don't want to say caught in the middle, but he's not really wrestling like a full heel. But you know, the the damn club is named Blackpool Combat and Ospray is from the UK, so it's gonna be interesting how postmatch, how that whole thing shakes out. He is coming out of the big face tunnel as well.

36:00 So yeah, I mean that has been when I look at the AW Dynasty card and I'm like, where have they been good? Creatively? The Danielson Osprey stuff has been very good creatively, and like the stuff with Blackpool Combat Club and the don Kallis family has been very good as well, and it's starting to bubble up to finally reach some sort of crescendo potentially at Sunday's AW Dynasty switching gears to WWE, where they made the right signing. This past addition, as SmackDown, we saw the debut of Talmatanga, who has been over in New Japan for ten plus years. Phenomenal wrestler, really great personality. Joins w appears on SmackDown, aligns with the bloodline, takes out Jimmy Usso. And the biggest question from this, Doctor Trey, which is the part where WW is absolutely killing it creatively, is what does this mean?

36:52 Is solosikoa the new tribal chief by orders of the tribal Chief? Did Roman reigns and Toma Tung gonna do that to take out Jimmy Uso and didn't tell the wise Man Paul Hayman, which is which is something that he didn't do is Roman reigns were turning as a babyface. Eventually, just when you think the bloodline is idle and could be dormant until Roman returns, they execute this angle on Friday's SmackDown and breathe new life into it. To me, Doctor Trey, old school wrestling fan, it felt like post WrestleMania fourteen, when Shawn Michaels lost the title to Stone Cold Ze Vas and the Austin Era began Degeneration X is running rampant. Michaels went away for a while. The next night on Raw Triple HS starts his own Degeneration X. The DX Army with the Outlaws and x PAC. I felt like that Roman loses the match, loses the title. Solosakoa is taking over as the tribal chief. This is his bloodline, and he brings tom Atunga along, and I got to figure that other people are on their way as well. There's rumors that Jacob Fatu from MLW Champion Assignment w WA, which would be a natural fit there.

38:09 What does this all mean, doctor Trey Tomatungua joining the bloodline, Jimmy us out and the phrase by the orders of the tribal Chief. It's interesting because I kind of I don't know if they're ready to put Solo in that spot, I think. And here's the thing, I still think they're trying to figure it out, because the one thing they did with Solo last week was they gave him a lot more speaking lines. We haven't heard Solo talk a whole lot over the last year and a half. And by the way, I'm sorry for you here, coffee. I have a six five year old, oh hanging there, Sammy. Sammy's little under the weather right now, but he's hanging out with dad watching TV with me while we do the show.

38:52 I think They're still trying to figure this out because we all know at some point they want Rock and Roman to go one on one, and you saw on Raw after Estimated Rocks still kind of playing the heel. So if that's the case, you kick Jimmy out, Roman's off TV, Jay's on Raw, you have this new bloodline start running rampant, and then you can always circle back and reunite the USOS and Roman together against this new blood line. I still think that the right now. I think on paper, the new tribal chief is the Rock, and then that's where you get Rock, Solo, Tamatanga, and Jacob Fatu against I guess the og bloodline of you know, Roman, the USO's and maybe a Sammy's ain coming back into the mix for a Wargames match or something like that. But if Solo kills it, then you don't need the Rock to step back into a leadership role and Solo can run, you know, on TV. I think they're still trying to figure out if Fellow's ready to take that step or if they have the Rock and lines it back a plan to eventually get back to Rock and Roman one on one, and that's the beauty of storytelling, right, Doctor Trey is it leads you to wonder what the hell they're leading to right now?

40:08 Right? Oh? Yeah? And I and I guarantee you if you watched SmackDown last week, you're probably gonna turn the SmackDown this week just to see what happens next. And that was always the great wrestling days of our youth. Was always that little cliffhanger to see what's going to happen next with at least one spot in the show, you know, whether it's you know, the new bloodline or uh, you know, Chad Gable turning on Sammy's saying, there's always some kind of hook that makes you want to come back and watch the next episode. So your ultimate prediction is what here? You think the Rock is behind this? Yeah? I think I think The Rock is gonna be the one. I don't I don't know if we'll get The Rock into Roman in a war Games match, but I think it comes down to a blood line civil war where the Rock aligns himself with this younger generational talent of Hanawai family, and then you have the O G bloodline on the other side, like Solo Jacobu, Toma, Tunka, the Rock taking on Roman the USO's and like Sammy Zane, Yeah, something like that, that would be pretty bad. I think Roman's coming back as babyface. A lot of it's also because a lot of the people that they're like, you know, all the flowers Roman's been given, you know, whether it's by Triple Ah, by Cody, all the all the respect that he's been given, and it's like, du way, your character ran rough shots over a company for

41:39 three years. If that guy loses, then people aren't going on TV and saying what a you know, what a great champion he was, what a great leader he was. They were like, yeah, we're glad the a hole's gone. If the plan is were to come back as he here, So to me, the bigger payoff is gonna be see, just like the reuniting, it's gonna be the Bloodline reunite. Its be the big payoff down the road. Yeah. Yeah, it's It's interesting. It definitely has me intrigue to watch SmackDown and it was like you kind of forgot how good the Bloodline storyline is and then they picked it back up again. I mean, they have been so dormant since Oh my god, I felt like almost an entire year where I just did not care about the bloodline like I did, the bloodline storyline like I did, until like recently they got me back in and now we'll see where it leads to next week the thing and to see you have Cody back on SmackDown, and I love the whole thing where you saw Jimmy and Solo and Paul walking down the hall heading to the locker room, and then you thought Cody's name on the big locker room. Is that if Jimmy's out, you've got to find new challengers for the bloodline, you know, for in the in the meantime before they come back, it's like, well, who do you move into that slot to be the number two babyface to fight Solo and Toma and go that direction. So means to see how they positioned it. Well, we'll see now with the draft coming up and uh yeah, she's the one in ten days, which we will preview and give some predictions on that on next week's edition the podcast, Doctor Trede.

43:13 Did you notice that the sidebar here? This is not something I wrote down, but did you notice that they're calling Cody the undisputed w w E Champion now and not in universal. I think I don't. I think a lot of people always hated the term universal hand up. Yeah, So I think that's just their way of subtly dropping it. They just have to get rid of undisputed next. Yeah, I mean that's stupid. I think part of the problem with that is right now, that that's part of Cody's tagline from you know, it was unwanted to undesirable, to undeniable, universal or undisputed, because I can always say, well, technically, if there's a world champion on the other show, it's always in dispute. But you know there, yeah, yeah, little subtle stuff. Unfortunate news in w W on Monday, Rhea Ripley vacates the w Women's World Championship due to injury.

44:07 Legitimate injury. She was injured in the backstage segment would Live Morgan. Her title ram went three hundred and eighty days. It was just seven days ago. I said to you, doctor Trey, I don't know who or what stops Rhea Ripley, And I guess the who is Lived Morgan? And the what is a brick wall? Legitimately? So I mean, what a damn shame man. Four to six weeks they said, or I think it was like two to three months she may be out and four to six weeks she can't do anything. The hope is that she may be back by SummerSlam. The thing from this is that a natural double turn has potentially taken place where Rha Ripley is the babyface and Live Morgan is now getting booed and she addressed in a promo which I thought was brilliant on w we's part. All in all, I mean, it'll come back, We'll we'll get it, you know, hopefully by Summer Slam, Ria Ripley will be back. But I mean to miss who you and I named is last year's SRTU Wrestler of the Year for any amount of time, not to train and to see this title reign end, Like this really really sucks. Yeah, and and it probably changes the draft plans for WWE as well. It changes you know, their their creative story plans a little bit too, so they have to shift everything.

45:23 Like I'm still a little confused why people were booing Live for attacking Rhea other than like just everybody wants to cheer for Rihea anyway, And it's it's just weird that like I thought, on paper Live might have been maybe number two, number three most favorite female wrestler in WWE, because I know the crowd loves Live and to have this happen, it's like, Okay, we gotta make Live a heel. It's like, well, Rihea's getting cheered, but the judgment day gets booed, but she's still in the Judgment day sometimes like you just gotta go. Look, I know you guys want to cheer her, give us time to give you a reason to cheer her. Getting attacked by one hundred and five pound woman is not usually the reason to all of a sudden start cheering Riha as the underdog. Yeah. I just think people are obviously very upset that she's off television now and this rain is over right by the way. By the way, do you like the long hair Andria? I mean, I don't have much hair. I don't know if I can comment on that. I'm I'm yeah, I mean, I'm I'm down with it. I mean I think looks amazing. Yeah no, but I mean for me, I would be Look, I've been looking forward to Living Ria going at it because I thought it would really cement Live as a top baby face it's just really hard to hate Live because she's so small.

46:40 It's a little bit of the Alexa Blizz, a little bit of the Raybisteria, Like they're just they're just so much smaller than everybody else. You kind of want to cheer for them. But I mean, if this is the way to do it and make Live a psycho, then that that's that that'll work too, because I think she's good at playing either character. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Live Morgan, so I did not think that this was a double turn. So I'm actually kind of surprised by the crowd reaction and also her reaction in the promo because I don't think her turning heel is necessarily the way to go, Like, you don't need to really change either character. I mean, all it takes is they're going to crown a new champion on Monday's Raw. All it really takes is like Nia Jacks to lay out Live Morgan and Live Morgan being this underdog baby face and people are back into liking Live Morgan again. I think, yeah, you put her up against Nia Jacks and people are gonna be cheering for her. So it'll be interesting with the direction of that is of that title following next week's when You and I talk next week. Yeah, and if you want to keep Rihea as a babyface that she comes back, all you gotta do really to do at backstage segment go Look, look, I understand why you're mad, but look, I have so much respect for what you did, Like I would have done the same thing if I have been in your position. Boom, Now you have few baby faces out of it. People certainly want to cheer for her. They certainly want to cheer for the Judgment Day, which is wild because like ri is so over, Damian so over, Finn is moderately over over, JD is over. From like a funny standpoint, but everybody hates dom I mean, one of the best heels in the business today, So it's like they could turn Judgment Day babyface, but then that kind of

48:10 ruins the allure of everything that's going on with Dominant Mysterio as well. So typically babyface stables never work. No, I think the only time they work is when you like you know. I hate to go back to this, but d X was such a huge part of my childhood growing up, and they didn't change them at all. They just they were still the same character. They just aligned with different people. They helped out Mike Foley and people loved them for it. They went after people that we didn't like as heels like the Nation of Domination and that stuff works, and that's what cemented them as a baby face. They had to fight another stable that was more hated than they were. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know who judgment they would face right now that is more hated final testament, I don't know, imperium true, great point, very good point with that said, and I think it's coming soon. I think a Damian gun thrifeud could be on the horizon if Drew McIntyre, I guess does not resign with the company soon. All right, AW Dynasty preview predictions here. It's this Sunday from the Chavetz Arena in Saint Louis, Missouri. Let's go through the car here, doctor Tray and give our predictions. The first match here is the acclaimed and Billy Gunn representing the AW World Trios Champions taking on Bullet Club Gold, who is the ROH World six Man Tag Team Championship Champions. And this was announced on the conference call today that this is a oh god, what's the word I'm looking for here? Where they merge the titles unification unification match.

49:37 It's late, I'm and I'm having a brain fart unification match, so these titles are roh titles I guess are going away. I'm gonna take Bullet Club Gold in this one, Doctor Trey, Who do you like in this one? You know, if this match is like six months ago, how excited I would be for this match, But like right now, I think like both factors are kind of struggling. Though. I'm gonna take Bullet Club Gold just because they're a little bit more entertaining than being claimed. And this is an example of poor creative Adam Copeland, Eddie Kakeson, and Mark Brisco taking on the House of Black and a trios match. Who do you like this one? Doctor Try? Uh, this one's a little tricky, So I'm gonna take the House of Black because it's the trios match. Although you have the TNT Champion, the Ring of Outer World Champion, and the first kind of Classic Champion on one team, I'm gonna take the House of Black.

50:25 I guess I think that that way they can get a solid win and it doesn't damage any of their three singles superstars on the other team. I'm gonna take the House of Black as well, because I feel like a Malachi Black and Adam Copeland match with a T and T Championship, a double or nothing's gonna be on the card, and I think they want to reward Malachi Black for helping move cmpunk down the hallway during the all out back Sage scuffle along with Crassiro, who was covering his face. Fta W rules match with the FTW Championship hook Defense against Chris Jericho. This has been really bad creative and it's actually gotten to the point where I think people are people think that it's bad creative purposely. Now I'm gonna take Chris Jericho, Doctor Trey see I.

51:07 I, for one, I don't know what FTW rules are. It's like anything goes, It's like E c W hardcore mats. So this is where Jericho turns full heel again. I guess a big show, big show. So yeah, I'm taking Jericho's I was oest surprised. I thought you might take hooking this one, but I'm taking Jericho as well. No, that doesn't make sense to keep the title on hook. Honestly, Roger Strong defends the aw International Championship against Kyle O'Reilly. This has been decent build, Doc Tray, who do you like in this one? Uh? It's been a decent Bill. I'm just surprised that you have, like Rocky Romero being a center point in a feud. But no, I'm taking Roderick Strong.

51:49 You just took the belts off Orange cast that you put it on Roderick Strong. Adam Cole's not on TV right now. I just figured the edesby Kames and get involved and caused Kyle to match. Yeah, I'm gonna take roder Strong as well. And I just saw a report that due to his ankle injury, they've told Adam Cole not to be traveling as much, which is a damn shame. I mean, he has had such bad luck. The pressure from airlines affects like circulation issues. Yeah, and I don't want to, but I mean, this is what happened to Candino. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't obviously, you know, we don't want that at all. Adam Cols just got to get a bus and just like John Madden traveling. God man, what a tough couple of years for one of the best in business. Julia Hart defends the AWTBS Championship in any house rules match against Willow Nightingale. I'm going to take Willow Nightingale because I believe Julia Hart is hurt. There was a report about that a couple of weeks ago that her shoulders banged up. She barely wrestled on Dynamite, and I think this could be a potential squash match on Sunday after Troy because of the injury.

52:51 I'm taking Willow. Yeah, and plus you gotta get the Willow Mercedes payoff as well. So this is a way for Julia Hart to go off TV for a little bit. They just gotta do something. It was a squash man. You built this Julia Harden character to be so strong, like I don't know, you gotta do some kind of weird thing for it to be a good squash match. Sky Blue turns on her because aw loves turns because it's go. Okada defends the aw Continental Championship against Pac Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one? Let's see, we just gave a Kada bunch of money. We just aligned in with Matthew and Nicholas. As much as I love Pak this, this is still Ocada's match to win. Yeah, I'm taking Ocada as well. The Young Bucks take on FTR and I Ladder match for the vacant AW World Tag Team Championship. I think Jack Perry is back in this match, back in the Folding AW, and he helps the Young Bucks win. So I have the Bucks become the new AW Tag Team Champion SoC to try. Yeah, that was my booking plans for Well does that mean that? Does that mean Jack Perry is now going to be in the elite? Oh yeah, yeah absolutely? Okay some natural heat there.

53:53 Next match is Timeless Tony Storm defending the AW Women's World Championhip against thunder Rosa. I could care less about this match. I gotta be honest. Doctor Trey Bill has not been interesting to me. I love Tony Storm, I love that character, but yeah, I really don't care at all about this match up. I'm taking Tony Storm just because I still like the character. Honestly, don't care who wins. I'm taking Timeless Tony Storm as well. I feel like Doctor Burt Baker's do for a return. That would be a bigger match for double or nothing. I do care about this match. Will Ospray take it on Brian Danielson. I got will Ospray, Doctor Troy, I got Ospray, and then I have Ospray I guess going full babyface afterwards. I think the cows family gets involved. And then will Ospray defends Brian Daeldson the Black Bull Combat Club against the Takeshka and Will Hobbs and whoever else Don Callas can dig up at the moment. And then finally, Simojoe defends the aw World Championship against Strickland Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one? I gotta pick Swerve of here because if he doesn't win it, now, when does he win it? This is what second shot?

54:59 Now, he had the triple threat match and in this one, I gotta take swerve right now. I think he's the hottest guy in the company. H Joe doesn't always need a belt, so I think you got to capitalize on swore while he's hot. I got Swerve win of this match. Yeah, I like you. This is like the Cody Road stuff from Wrestumating a Night too. I mean, if Cody didn't win that, then win will he win it? So? I mean that's how I feel, exactly what you said. If Swerve Strickland doesn't win this match now, then when does he win this at all? I mean, this would be really a detriment to his character at this point. And does he keep Nana afterwards, because I use full fledged babyface, but nanas still managing the gates of agony is heels. So that's the only way that I could see Somemojo winning. Funny enough, is if Nana turns on Swerve and aligned with samo Joe. Yeah, but I just I want to see the Nana dance if he's still wins Swerve after he wins the title. Yeah, I think it's time. I think it's time. I think there they are a couple months too late at this point for putting the title on Swurve Strickland, but I think this is the time. I mean legitimately, if they don't put the title on him, I think this could be a detriment to his character for the rest of the only other finish I came up with was that Adam Page comes out and costs more of the title. Yeah, that's that's the too. No matter what they do interfering, I just feel like that they missed the But this is reminding me of a couple of years ago where everybody wanted Daniel Garcia to turn baby face and become like a wrestler, and AW did not go in that direction at all, completely missed the boat, and I thought it was a detriment to Daniel Garcia for like the next year. I feel like that

56:30 they should have made Spurf Strickland AW world champion like four months ago. Yeah, but I would also kept him as a heel and just look the croucher for him. I agree with you. Yeah, it's the same thing with MJF turned babyface. I was just like, did he turn baby face? Really like? It's like, I still like the betters a heel. To me, the chase is always in the heel champion because merchandise sales, you can sell more baby face T shirts if he rotate the baby faces chasing the heel. Well. MJF came extremely corny an email, yes, which was not why his character got over. So there you go. There is AW Dynasty previewm predictions, and we will recap review all for you on next week's edition of SRT You. We will also preview and predict the WWE draft that will be beginning, I think the next night after we record SRTU. So with that said, let's get a couple of plugs and sponsors out of the way. You can download the show every Thursday or Friday at Real Guy Radio dot com, Wrestle Chattnet on X and the Story realta show iTunes feed.

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