Who won the "one night only Wednesday Night War?" | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #769 – 11/07/24

0:00 It's welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition is Still Real Does Show Episode number seven and sixty nine for November. Seventh, two thousand thirty four. Welcome to your we Crown Jewels Greecap n Review Edition. Huff ash R Team the Year. I am one half the show. I Am under the Weather of Jackie Beckett. Joined every single week when I, oh, it's the early Doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey, my voice is pushing through my friend.

0:43 Yeah, I knows that. On the intro there, like it kind of sounded like your voice cracked, like you're hitting puberty. But at least I knew what was going on because I was, you know, for an untrained listener. They're like, wait, I thought he had a kid. How was he hitting puberty? Now? Yeah, yeah it happened, folks did. Sometimes it takes a long time, but here we are. Yeah, I'm I'm battling allergy season, my friend, Yeah. I so this is I usually get sick twice a year. I usually get sick basically when winter turns the spring and when summer turns the fall. But I didn't get it in September this year, Like I know, ma it I got it yesterday, so I was fever of one hundred and one point four in the bathroom the entire day.

1:28 But today I feel fine. I feel refreshed. Maybe it's because I actually slept, but I know you, every time the season has changed, you have your allergy battles. So when I heard you call me this morning, I was like, Oh, yeah, that's that's that time of year for Jeff. Yeah, it's it's been a wild run. There may be times where I have to like step off here, I have a drink of water, but it it's it's been like last week, it was in the forties and fifties. The last couple of days, I feel like I'm in Alabama, doctor try it's been in the seventies. So it's doing an absolute number on me. The leaves are being blown around, so there's mold and pollen and all that other crap all over the place. I literally did not have a voice two days, the last two days.

2:15 So the fact that I'm even at this point is pretty phenomenal. And if we were still in regular radio, the program directors would tell us to like go home, or at least tell me to go home and just call it a show. Because it's like very annoying to listen to. I'm hopeful that this is a little bit more like ASMR for some people. Well, still, I think you sound better than most of the radio guys I listened to, even when you're sick, as I've told you, for damn, you're fifteen years that when people that, like when friends of mine and family of mine have listened to the show, they always go, well, Trey, you sound great, but that other guy, he sounds like a professional radio guy. So I always say, like Jeff, even at fifty percent, still sounds better than half the people you hear on the radio.

3:04 Anyway, I appreciate that at one time I was, I am no more. Now it's just simply a podcaster, which is. Basically taken over radio nowadays. So that's pretty cool to see. But nonetheless, let's get into it. Thank you everybody for downloading, Thank you for joining us on this week's tition of SR T You We are gutting it through here for all of you. Let's recap and review w WE Crown Jewel Doctor Trey took place this past Saturday for the Muhammad Aba Arena and Riod Saudi Arabia. The first match on the card here was. The Bloodline defeating Roman Rains, Jimmy Uso and jay Uso in a six man tag team match that is very weird to say out loud, like, the Bloodline defeats Roman Rains, Jimmy Uso and jay Uso. I had the Bloodline, Doctor Trey at Rains us and the Usos. Rain's taking the clean pin is a pretty big deal as it appears they are humbling Roman and storyline.

3:51 The album changes. Ways and it's correlating well in the early going. This was a well booked match that made a lot of sense for the story moving forward. Sammy's ain't coming out to make the same get involved and inadvertently take out Roman Reigns when they were going for Solo was a really nice touch to get that storyline going into War Games. Awesome work all around, Doctor Trey. I really enjoyed this one. Your thoughts as Solo's Bloodline defeated Roman Reigns his blood Line, Yeah. I thought it was a really well done six man tag because you know, you and I have talked about for years, sometimes once you get six men in up in a match, or women for that matter, things can get a little out of swords, a little chaotic, one person forgets what they're doing, and the whole match is blown up. This was really well done, really well put together storyline wise, made sense. So a really solid match for a Crown jewel.

4:39 Yeah, and what's really cool about this is that we've put this storyline during the microscope the last several weeks on the podcast. To me, doctor Trey and this will be interested in your thoughts. I think it's starting to make sense right now. I like where it's going. It's making sense by humbling Roman a little bit. Yeah. I until this match, I hadn't really thought about that angle. But it's one thing that we've talked on the show that if you're gonna be a babyface, you got to have obstacles and things you have to overcome for the fans to get you sympathy. Having Roman take the pin is humbling. Now, it's another obstacle for to overcome. At one point, we felt like they were kind of shotgunning the storyline a little bit because you're getting Jay to come back in and he's just like, you know, at first, it seemed like he was just, you know, everything was all well and taken care of and then now you see why he's doing it. This stuff with Sammy, it makes sense that they're they're starting the angle, and instead of just not explaining why these guys are doing what they're doing, you're actually having some layers of depth in the storytelling as to, yeah, I'm helping you, but look, I don't trust you, I don't buy into you. You saw that a little bit of Crown Jewel, a little bit the back and forth with Jay and Roman a little bit, so there's still that element of I don't trust who you are now because I saw who you were the last four years. So really good storytelling, a little bit of the humbling thing. I think they're they've got the direction going now, they're just adding the depth to make make the story make more sense.

6:07 The addition of Sammy's ain, doctor Trey. Your thoughts on how that has gone through with Crown Jewel, the follow up they did on Raw. It's all setting up for a big segment on Friday SmackDown where Sammy's am will be talking with the OTC himself. Roman reigns, Yeah, no, it made sense when we first saw the initial Sammy, Jay and Jimmy interactions. You're like how can Sammy. Sammy's the one that you know, kind of was the turning point in the disillusion of you know, og bloodline if you want to call it that, and to have them come back into it. The way they're setting it up makes a lot of sense. I was actually hoping for like a what they call before the tribal the tribal roundtable, the tribal.

6:47 The court thing. Yes, tribal court. Yeah, that thing went on for like fifty minutes. What was an amazing segment. Yeah, I was kind of hoping for, uh SmackDown, to have tribal court with Roman on trial this time and him trying to basically, you know, explain you know, his actions, his thoughts and everything else. The segment on Raw was great with Jimmy, Jay and Sammy, So I'm hoping we get another great segment when you throw Roman into the mix and maybe we give one big giant hugging it out or something. I don't know, but the way they're putting there, the way they're putting it together, makes more sense than the old school ways of oh no we're fine, No, no, you guys were just trying to kill each other, like not too long ago, no, no, We're good now. Yeah, yeah, at least now we're seeing some realistic mindsets when these storylines are going on.

7:40 Or just like randomly changing a team name from. A Stable to Blackpool Combat Club to Death Writers without any explanation. I don't know how this will correlate on. The podcast, but Sammy posts it on his Instagram, the photo of the USOS and Roman as young kids and then him thrown in there as a young kid that was out there their own like white T shirts. It's a very classic photo, and he wrote as the caption, and it just makes me laugh every single time. He wrote, I remember the day we took this photo. Well, it was a Friday. We went out that night, and I remember it clearly because we were listening to DMX on the way to the club and it was the first time I edited I'd ever heard someone say that a song was quote tight. Great times, but sadly those days are gone. Stamy having a little bit of fun with it, but that was that just cracked me up. Loved the opening to the show. I've loved the follow up here and once again captivated by everything that the Bloodline does and their storyline overall. Next Match here is Jade card Gill, Bianca bell Air defeating Damage Control, Metaphor and Chelsea Green and Piper Niven in a fatal four way match, retaining the WA Women's Tag Team Championship.

8:50 Both Doctor and I had Jade and Bianca. I feel like we are starting here and see some foreshadowing on eventual split with bell Air and Cargill as Corey Graves mentioned their separate entrances heading into this match. As for the match itself, I thought it was really good as specifically the Metaphor girls held their own coming up from NXT. There was some fall to follow up to that on Mundane regards to bel airin Cargill starting to see some foreshadowing going on as Live Morgan said that it's only a matter of time before they turn on one another. So it seems like we're starting to get ramped up here, Doctor Trey, little pieces bread clumbs are being put all over the place that a Bianco Jade split is probably incoming, which I'm digging your thoughts on this match from Crown Jewel.

9:31 Pleasantly surprised, how's that one? Because I really didn't have high expert like look Damage controlling the match They're fantastic. I can watch Damage Control pretty much wrestle anytime, especially Eo Skuy metaphor stepping up into that role and doing a really good job. I was surprised because I'm not the biggest you know, Lash legend fan. You know, the whole thing wasn't huge, but they did really well. And then you know beyonc and they can have a great match, and then they can have an awful match. It just kind of goes back and forth. You never know what you're gonna get. This match was actually pretty well done. I love the tension building between Beyonce and Jade. I love how they followed it up, not only Corey commenting on it, you know at Crown Jewel, but then Live you know, bring it up again on Raw. This to me is just like, yeah, I fully expect them to break up at Rumble to lead to a WrestleMania match.

10:23 So the tensions there, we just got to build up a couple of these are tag teams, so that way we feel like they're actually on par with Beyonce and Jay. So when that split happens, the women's tag division doesn't fall apart. Next match, here is Seth freaking Ronalds defeeding Bronson reed. We both had Seth rawals to win this one. Something I noticed at the beginning of this match was I wonder if they are quietly trying to slowly drop Freaking from Seth Roald's name. Was it on? It was not on the Titan tron Is Graphics at Seth Rons. I'm like, are they trying to do that? I could see freaky is more of a Vince Picman thing than a Triple H thing. On all honesty as well well as I only heard the ring announcer mention it, and the announceers graphics just referred to him as Seth Rollins, and I lost. I thought Bronson Reid looked really good, which is what we needed in this match, and they should follow that up with an eventual win against Ronalds help elevate Reid as Bronson's anger got the best of him in Rewalds capitalized in this one. Ronald saying you should have finished me when you had the chance was a really good touch. Plus Reid standing up post match was a cool moment. I thought this was Reid's best WWE match. They followed up on Raw where he got involved in the fatal four way number one contenders match for the World Away Championship. He takes out Seth Rollins.

11:32 He looks like a monster, he looks like a beast. He takes out Damien, he takes out Seamus, you know, the Alps, dirty Dom and get the victory. I'm a fan of Bronson Reid. If it wasn't Seth Rowinds in this match, and this is what we said going into this one. If it wasn't Seth Ronalds going in this match, I'm like, you got to put Bronson Reid over. But because of the year that Seth Rollins has had. Where he's been in and out injured on TV for a little bit, off TV for a little bit, it's like Seth needs a win. And the way they booked this match to me, with all those different variables in place, was perfect because everybody came out of this one looking pretty good. Yeah, and that's your ultimate goal when you have a babyface beat your monster, you want your monsters still looks strong and not just completely discounted and toss aside. So I thought this made this made a lot of sense.

12:15 Seth gets to win and he it wasn't like, you know, It was kind of like a flukey win in a sense, like because Bronton had control of it, so Seth gust to win. Bronton is like a monster my hope coming out of Monday Night. I after seen that, I was like, man, would it be great to see Bronton Reid end up in the Judgment Day because they need a muscle guy to kind of back up all the little guys in Judgment Day. If you end up trading out Carlito for Bronton Reid, I'm on board with as well, and then that can do. You can basically kind of run the same angle you ran with Damien where at some point he gets super over and the little guys kicking out of the group. So I just I really enjoyed it because it led to some you know things that you go, hey, they could go this route and that'd be cool. And if not, hey, Bronton Restill looks like a badass, which is what you want to have.

13:00 Next match on this one was Live Morgan, the Women's World Champion, defeating Naia Jacks at w Women's Champion to win the WI Women's Crowndule Championship. I had lived out trade Naya Jacks I. Am most injured about the follow up to this all post matches, I'm not sure where Live Morgan goes from here with Ri on the Shelf. We'll talk about that later on the show. The way this match went led me to believe that Nai and Live or not done, but I can't see direction yet where that would continue being on opposite brands. They did not follow up on Raw on Monday Night. I like the Tiffany's trying to starting to rebel a little bit against Naijacks by threatening to tempting to cash in on her. Your thoughts on this one, Doctor Treys Live Morgan is the ww Women's Crown Duel Champion. It was a solid match. I sometimes when you have monsters versus cruiserweights, which is basically kind of this, it can either go really really bad or really really good.

13:49 Sometimes contrasts and styles make great matches. Sometimes they're just bad. This one I really enjoyed. I thought they did a well job, like a really good job of selling you know, lives deviousness versus Nia's power. I'm still this match that was kind of I'm like, I don't really understand this whole Crown Jewel Championship thing. Because they don't really get the belt. They end up with the ring and the belt stays. That is still a little confusing. Uh. It just kind of reminds me of basically, this is Crown Jewl's not gonna be like in the Super Bowl where you get a trophy, uh and not a belt. So it is what it is. But it also be thinking like, man Live really is the dominant controlling female in WWE right now, it's not. I mean, the horse women outside of Bailey are basically all gone or on the shelf. Rhea's in and out, Like putting Live over here kind of shows how much faith they have in her as being the focal point of the whole women's roster, not just a fill in champion right now.

14:54 That's true. We're about like six eight weeks away from our end of the year award show, and without giving away who you would choose right now, did this victory the way that things are going, Rhea going on the shelf shelf time with Tony Storm not really being around since all in all out timeframe, did Live Morgan pull ahead potentially as the female rest of the year. Yeah, It's very possible because I mean it kind of depends on I mean, if you had gone just through June, I probably would have had Lived like fourth or fifth. But with Rhea's injury, Tony Storm taking time off, some of the other women not really stepping their game up to I just feel like Live's gone to a different level since her return. So if you had a call right now, I would give the edge to Live over everybody else in women's wrestling.

15:46 Next match here is Randy or versus Kevin Owens being ruled a no contest as the match never took place, So we had Kevin Owens in this one, but the match never happened. I thought this was a good way to keep the violence of the feud going. I'm not a fan of a no contest no contest slash DQ, but this was executed pretty well and made a lot of sense. I wonder if Orrin and Owen's direction as an eventual three way match with Cody as soon as relatively soon, because there's been a couple of vignettes or backstage segments where Randy's been eyeing the w un Disputed Championship lately. I was fine with this, Doctor Trey. I don't like seeing promoted matches never take place, especially for the crowd. But I thought the way that they did this. Made sense, and I thought fans were sent home happy because it was a well thought out.

16:32 Plan for the way that this match went to a no contest. Your thoughts, Yeah, I didn't hate it, but I felt I don't know, like in my head when I saw this, I was like, you could have booked it this way and you could have booked it as a different way. That's only because I think it was right before that they did the Crown Jewel press conference and Kevin Owens was like sealing ray Ordy. He's like, I would have never done to you what you did to me. I loved you, Da da da. It felt like this route was an amplification of violence when they didn't really have that much leading into a couple weeks before. It just felt like they jumped a level. Like I'm fine with it.

17:13 It makes sense. I get why they did it, but I could have easily seen just Kevin Ellen was going, you know, I'm not doing this match and just rolled out of the ring and walked away. So there's a couple different ways that could have gone with it. But you know, I'm fine with the route. They did. I just felt like they just kind of jumped it. They jumped over a level and putting this together. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, I mean most of the time you want to see the match take place, but I guess for the few it it made sense to me. I mean, I don't like no contest, but I thought that the way that it was so violent and laid each other out and injuries and all that stuff, that I just felt like, all right, that makes sense. Let's see where it goes from here, because I think the direction is these two guys will be in a three way match with Cody at some point.

18:00 Yeah. No, I don't. It wasn't I that I disliked it. I understood why they did it. It just felt like, other than what a couple of small physical interactions leading into it, it's basically just been a lot of talk if I'm wrong, No, no. You're right, But I mean Owens has been on TV. Did they like sending him home? But it just felt like to have it go to this all out kind of brawl between these guys when they really haven't is because it, like the vignettes I'm watching is kind of Ko telling Randy he's wrong and do you. Think like Ko's gone a little bit crazy. Yeah to it, agree, But once again, Randy's Randy's the new cerebral assassin. I don't know if he to me, he's he's more mental in his aspects than he is violent, you know, which was always like the Triple H character, which I think Randy's kind of taken over that role.

18:54 I don't know if his character would have It's kind of like just a dichotomy of the character. I don't know if Randy's character right now is to go to straight violence without thinking it out. And I felt like it's just I don't know, Like I said, I could have I don't have a problem with the way they did it. I would have also been, like, you know, if Kao had got in the ring the bell got ready to ring, he just dipped out and walked down and goes, no, I'm not fighting you, Randy, I love you. You're wrong on this one. I'm not going to be the one that jur your career like this. You're wrong, We're not doing this and walked away. So I'm fine with the way they did it. I just still would have liked to see a little more build up to physicality before they got to that level. If I don't know that makes sense to you, But that's kind of like I want to see one more step before we get to a match that you can't even control it all because they have that much hatred now all of a sudden.

19:51 No, it makes sense. But King you also take into account that like Ko started this, I mean physically he started. This, Yeah, but it wasn't the shot like in his mind accidental the initial shots and Randy hit him. Randy had the back elbow, right, accidental elbow, so that would have been an accident in his mind Randy's mind, right, Yeah. And more, Kevin Owens is upset that he's like siding with Cody Roads, that's the side that he picked. Yeah, and I get, like I said, I don't have a problem with it. I think it's fine the way they did it. I just wanted to see because Ko's a hot head, he's hot tempered, he's gonna fire off. Randy, though, was more meticulous in what he does. So the Randy character I thought should have been a little bit more strategic in the approach and not just go to straight brawling all out, you know. But then I don't know, I guys said I I don't have a problem with it.

20:46 I just there are other ways of getting into it to increase the anticipation for an all out brawl instead of just jumping right to the all out brawl. Yeah, the no contest DQ stuff is strange. I think think a lot of wrestling fans can't. We can't get our heads around it because it's not it's not the result that we like when you're watching, Like a PLA, you want to do it during TV, fine, but a PLA, it's like, uh really, like come on, guys, people pay actually watch this shit. It's also a way to keep both guys from having a loss when you're trying to build them up to then include Cody into it, which is one thing that we have kind of knocked WWE on is we haven't had that great, strong challenger for Cody yet. This is a way of keeping both guys strong, no losses on their resume, so that way, when we go to a triple threat or we go to something with these guys, it makes no more sense and both guys have their credibility re established.

21:42 Next match here is La Night defeating Andrade and Carmelo Hayes in a triple threat match retain the w United States Championship with both at La Night and this one that was one of the most innovative finishers finishes I've ever seen in a triple threat match, with Carmelo going for the Hurricane roun a facebuster on Androde only be caught with a BFT for La Knight for the one two three. This is an old school feel for feel for me or the upper mid car title. Some strong competitors in it that can steal the show at any given night if given the opportunity, and I hope that the US title division continues to draw on SmackDown. I enjoyed this one outch Trey your thoughts as La Night retained. Yeah, it's a really fun mattery. It's weird. I don't know if I've always bought in as Andrade as a baby face because I love him as a heel so much, but in this situation, I thought it made sense because Carmelo's over as a heel and Drade's kind of in, you know, people want to cheer for him, but he's kind of in the middle, and La Knight's been love so it made sense that you have a heel a guy that's kind of in the middle and then the baby face, but the babyface kind of acts like an asshole, so it works out well. So really fun match, creative finish.

22:48 But yeah, I don't know how if you think about this is what I do. I almost like La Knight's too over to be in the mid card title hunt, Like he should be higher up the food chain because it's like all the mid car guys on SmackDown haven't been established enough to be on his level. So like when he's fighting Santos Escobar or Carmelo or even Andrade, it always feels like it's a little overmatched that La Knight's really heavily favored in every one of these. I think we got still got to build some guys up and have a couple guys get some victories over or beat l A. Knight down, so that way you go, yeah, I see that he could be in trouble here. The triple threats are just a way to kind of do the whole well, he's only got a thirty three percent chance to win if it's a triple threat. It's that kind of selling. I always hate, I hear you.

23:36 I really feel like WWE should look back at like nineteen ninety nine Rock when he was over as a babyface, but he was still acting as a heel, very arrogant, and very similar to the La Night character, which sometimes is a detriment to La Knight and often pointing out by some people. I would look at that, at the way that they booked Rock back then, you got to make him still look like a sympathetic babyface and not to be looking like this guy who's an upper mid carter that should be in the main event picture, but utilizing him well in the upper mid cart right now while you still can and are because the main event is a little bit more congested than anything else. So that's what I would say. I do see those similarities. It's funny that you point this out, because as I was watching Crown Jewel, I was like, I think it was a year ago where he was in the match with Roman Reigns and that was on the part of his comeuppance in w And I'm like, is he a bigger star now than he was back then? And I think it's just kind of like even playing field, He's not less of a star as he was a year ago.

24:37 He's not more of a star as he was a year ago. He's just kind of stayed that way, which is a good thing because sometimes when people are on a rocket ship ascending upwards, they can crash back to Earth pretty easily and effectively if the fans don't get behind them anymore. He's maintained that, and I think that's a good thing for the long term of La Night. But going back to your point, doctor, I would look back at like ninety nine Rock and be like, Okay, how did we how did we get the heels over on him a little bit more? Yeah, it's just for a company that has as many groups and factions as they do, Uh, you would think it'd be maybe a carrying cross faction, although they're on raw now, but something like that where you have other guys, even Santos with you know, the Garzas, you know, have all of them be down La Knight. You guess you just gotta get some sympathy because right now, like when I watch the shows, I'm like, I don't feel like La Knights in Jeopardy of losing matches to a lot of these guys because there just doesn't seem any there's not enough obstacles in his way. It just feels like he's just kind of running through guys, and it does also, I don't know about you, does it Does it feel like he's elevating anybody in the mid card division right now in this run? And I the Rock compareson is great because I feel like Rock elevated Ken Shamrocks and the Owen Harts and some of those guys in that in that mid card division back in ninety nine. I don't know if I feel like La Knight's elevating anybody else to get closer to his level because we just don't see what. I just don't feel like he's in jeopardy at all right now.

26:06 I think you and I look at this type of stuff differently because we watch all forms of wrestling. I think if I took a step back, I would say Andrade and Carmelo have been elevated being involved with La Knight, all right. I mean I can say that they elevate themselves based on those six matches they had. But but what's the next step from those matches that series? And that would this would be it? Yeah? No, you're right, I feel like, yeah, but do you feel like Santos got elevated in his little rivalry he had with l Knight. No, No, they need to do more with Santos Escumor. He's very, very talented. Yeah, I just feel like sometimes you when you have a strong mid card champion, you just gotta have some you gotta feel like you're bringing other guys up to that level. And it's weird to say that about Andrada.

26:50 This guy's been a multiple time champion. It's just that I feel like since he came back, he's plateaued at like a mid card level, where lle Knight's at an upper mid car our lower main event level. I don't feel like andrades up to his level. But that's why you put him in a triple threat, because that increases the odds of them losing, and it'd be okay. I just feel like if you said, hey, La Night's going one on one with Andrade, or La Night's going one on one with Carmelo, I just figure most fans are gonna go, Yeah, it's an easy win. That's a win for La Night. You put him in a triple threat match because it does increase the obstacle to it. But I just don't feel like those guys are on his level. Yet comparatively speaking.

27:31 Well to your original point, baby Face Andrade against l A Night not doing it for me, lack of elevation. Andrade when he's turned heel is one of the best. I think, Yes, you gotta turn him heel in a feud here with LA nine and that and him winning the US Championship would make a ton of sense, and it elevates Andrade. I mean they're if I'm if there's a bagging of the drum of like, oh right, which baby face should we turn heel? Right now? In w A without question? Andredes one of those names that I mentioned, Oh. Yeah, absolutely, I can't. I could agree with more right down there. And then finally the main event, Cody Roads, the endisp at W champion, defeats gun thro World of Weight Champion to win the Men's W Crowndewel Championship. We both had, Cody and this one enjoyable finish that protects the losing champion.

28:16 This one Gunther as it came off as Cody Rhodes catching gun for the pin rather than outright beating him. Solid performance from two. Guys on top of their game in we handshake postmatch following night or two nights later on Raw, Gunther said that that Cody was a better man and had his respect. I thought it was good all around. It was just a very solid wrestling match, and I don't think anybody looked bad. Your thoughts here, doctor Trey, as Cody is the men's w WE Crown Jewel Champion. Yeah, I thought the match itself was really good, really enjoyable, some really good ring psychology to it. It made sense. I'm just not a huge fan of the post match handshakes.

28:59 I'm really not unless it's two baby faces. I don't get it. I really don't like this is this. I could never see Superman Alex Luthor shaking hands after a match, and gun There's supposed to be a villainous champion. I get it, the ring is sacred. He respects what Cody did in that match, but I just I could do without the handshakes. I just this is not my thing and is probably the old curmudgeon in me that just likes I like my strong, dividing lions against good guys and bad guys. I don't like bad guys looking and endearing or looking respectful at times. I just want Gunther to go roll the ring and come back on wrong goo.

29:40 You know, we had a great match. Cody earned my respect in his performance, but he got lucky. He should never you know, that would never happen. Again, to be fair, To be fair, You've always been a fan of double kisses on the cheek right. Kind of handshakes usually, but. That's usually backstage when there's no cameras, and then you know things can escalate. Okay, fair enough. I thought you were an in ring one kiss left cheek, one kiss right cheek, and everybody's happy, like Nunzio did on Wednesday's edition of nxt. UH pay per view. Prediction record for this one, I'm six and oh doct trail one four and two on the year, I'm one, thirty three and thirty six doctor Trail one twenty and forty nine.

30:23 Match of the night. In event rating, I gave the event a three point seven. I thought it was a fine show and my favorite match was the blood Line and Roman Reigns. In the USOS, let's say you. Doctor Troit, I was a little ower. I was three point five. My mentionine I was blood line in you know, blood line and old blood line or repurpose blood line or two blood. Line, pretty purposed blood line. I don't know, but yeah, that was my match then. And then I guess at three point five on the show, I thought it was I thought it was a solid show. But once again, I don't think there's anything to other than Sammy kicking Roman. There's really nothing going to be super memorable three years from now about it. No, I would agree with you, all right, So I just mentioned Nunzo, I mentioned NXT. Last night was the one night only WWE versus AW W NXC versus AW Wednesday Night War as NXT slid over to Wednesday nights due to the election coverage here in the United States.

31:23 NXC was emanating from ECW Arena twenty three hundred Arena in Philadelphia and AW was emanating Dynamite from College in New Hampshire. I went into this one Doctor Trey being like, I want to watch NXT, and that was a show that I watched. First. I watched NXT live. I watched AW on DVR. What was your viewing of this? Did you watch either show live? Did you watch them on DVR later on? What were your thoughts on that? And then what we'll do is we'll discuss who we thought walked out of the One Night Only Wednesday Night or the Victor. So, how did you go about watching ones? And I wore on last night?

32:06 So I had NXT on live. Now, mind you running a fever several trips of the bathroom during the show, so there may be a couple of things that I missed. I had to go back and read to see what I might have missed while I was trying to compensate. I actually watched Dynamite this morning, so that was my viewings, and that's my and that's my typical antime. These shows overlap or things like that happened. That's typically I'll watch the ww stuff live and then catch aw on. Well you say DVR, I have an app that streams all the wrestling shows to me. So that's kind of my viewing habits anyway.

32:48 So looking back at the show, my recap, I'll be interested with doctor Trey said, I'll just come out in the open here. Neither show blew me away as a wrestling fan. If I had to pick one over the other, I thought the. Better show was just slightly aw Dynamite. Last night. I thought WWE, NXT and the ECW Arena kind of felt like a mixed match, rushed show, got off the beaten path the success that they've had as of late as a show, and was so uber focused on ECW and all that stuff, and I was like, Okay, that makes a ton of sense. There were some great cameos, some returns Rhino RVD that was a lot of fun.

33:30 In nostalgia. I thought from a viewing standpoint, it looked like relatively small, like there was maybe five hundred fans in attendance. I always thought the ECW arena could fit. More than that. I would have gone a little bit more on the nostalgia front, and I wouldn't have done your typical NXT ringing that entrance. I would have done the old ECW like NXC style entrance with the brick and the barboire. Let them come out that way. I would have tried to get Joey Styles. Maybe they did. I don't know where Joey Styles is at anymore to be involved in this one. The ring announcer from ECW I would have brought back for this one. Let Mike Rome sit it out. He was over in Saudi Arabia a couple days ago. Make it all ECW in that sense, and I thought that they missed a little bit out on it. So I thought from the viewing standpoint, it didn't.

34:17 It just felt like an arena that Impact Wrestling TNA would have their shows taped in, rather than something that looked like the ECW. Arena at one time. AW Dynamite was just it was fine. It wasn't anything that blew it out of the water. I liked last week's episode versus this week's episode. But when you're comparing the two, I watched NXT live AW Dynamite on DVR on demand. It was the better show to me was AW Dynamite, and it just was like a tick more. It was like neither one was amazing great blew the other one out of the water. I just thought AW was slightly better. Doctor Trey, what were your thoughts as you compared the two and and and give us who you thought was the better show on on Wednesday Night this past week.

35:10 So it's weird, like like, as far as an actual show, I thought AW had a better show as far as continuing storylines, adding depth, you know, creating intrigue stuff like that. WW might a one because of the nostalgia aspect of it, because I mean, look, it was great that Trick couldn't find a table, so we got Devon to come out and get the tables. Seeing they were actually between RVD and wes Lee. I thought that was really cool in the sense of, like, man, these are basically the two best high flyers, one of their generations, one with our generation. And then throwing Javon Evans into mixer that was great. You get Don Marie out there and there's Francin and a ringsi on. I was waiting for a cat fight to break out, you know, in the front row. But it felt like a w W E c W show.

36:00 It felt like that those shows from that era of the ECW that w was using that we all didn't like that much because it wasn't ECW, it was their version. It felt kind of like that. And although the matches had continuance of their storylines, the nostalgia aspect kind of took away from the build to those storty lines. Like the only match that really had any kind of continuance of their storylines was the Ladies made the Ladies five on five match. Everything else kind of felt like, yeah, there's there are in a few, but we got we had to shove these guys into it. So as far as a workable show storyline wise, depth, you know, all that stuff, I thought AW was a little bit better than WWE. But seeing Rhino Gore, Robert Stone was fantastic, you know, seeing some of that stuff that was great, But the depth of that show was less than what AW was putting on. So I gave AW the edge on having a better show for their product in their future.

37:01 The other thing, and I hate doing this, but clearly, uh time catches up to all of us. Rvd's not wrestling. When I've watched RVD wrestle in the past, it's like, oh he's you know, he's a guy in his fifties at this point. It's what it looks like. H NUNZIOH God Bless him. Was the first time he wrestled the match in sixteen years. I read he did the best he could. I got a good laugh when he did the Sign of the Cross before the finishing move. It was nice to see Tony Mama Luke, who is kind of like one of those like rare hidden gems in ECW wasn't there that long. I actually had like a better run in ROH than he did an ECW longer run in ROH than he did an ECW. Don Marie, I think counted three several times in the match before the actual three.

37:46 Did you notice that, doctor try? I think sometimes that gravity against the best of us. It is hard to do that two and three quarter count if you're not prepared. For Yeah, and then I saw people shitting on and maybe it was sarr casm. It's hard to read and when it comes to online but shitting that they used a fake brick. It's like, did you want me to use a real one? Like? What do we what are we doing here? I mean, we've learned from what some of the shots that the people in ECW took, how that went. I know Devon can't get cleared in a w ring, but you haven't come out you bring a table like I expect three D like not a double choke slam from Bubba Ray and Trick Williams. Trick once again looks like a giraffe without ice skates on ice rink at times in the match. So, I mean, it was just like it was what it was, And I really liked how you said it felt like a WWEE E CW promotion or produced event rather than a e CW produced event.

38:50 So overall it was nice, it was cool. I hope they go back and do the ecwring again. I like we bring the NXC brand around these nostalgia shows. I would bring them to the Hammer's time in New York or Manhattan Center where Raw used to be, like those three areas that w W is considering for the future shows. I think that would be a lot of fun. But overall, just slightly for me, it was it was AW dot Tree. You went with w W. Correct, No, I was AW is a better show. Okay, you went with a W overall, but what do you feel the same way just slightly better or did you think it was it wasn't. It wasn't It wasn't much better. But just like I said, like just on depth of continuing their storylines, a W had the edge, like you had the stuff with you know, Ricochet and Hobbs and the callis Family and then you know the Learning Tree and the congomeration and then stat Landers stuff with merce City has been like the depth of continuing their storylines was better on AW than what uh NXT did. By the way, should if they do want in Atlanta can we get a w c W throw back night or something. Or if they go to the UH, oh the Universal Studios in Orlando, can we get it like a TNA throwback one? Is this gonna be like the trend? If we go to an old building that's known for another promotion, we get throwback nights.

40:11 Well, they did the remember NXC did the building in Atlanta. What what was that the sound stage? Oh what the. Center stage? They did a couple of shows there back. In the day, but they didn't bring back any of the w c W n W A guide, I mean you could have had. That was under Vince's reign. Vince never capitalized on anything w CNW. They should have done like a throwback Nitro once on a raw that'd be great, like. From the from the do one from you know Atlanta, like you know, especially if Goldberg comes back, you can do one in the Georgia Dome or like in Atlanta the new UH Arena. The Hawks play at UH and then do you know throwback like you know goldbergs in the ring and then all of a sudden, Nwong music hits that would blow people, like blow the minds of guys like you and me.

40:57 One of the last WA video games I bought. I think it was two UK fourteen Doctor Trade. This is more up up your area here of expertise. They're like one of the main storylines was WW like returned in Takeover. Do you remember that one? Yeah? Yeah, I do. It was like Kevin. It was like Kevin Nash. I think like Rna Anderson was involved in it as well, and I loved it. That was a really cool storyline and I'd be down with that. But yeah, give us some more Nostaal Jacks to a WW tribute show now that Vince has gone, all right, so switching gears here. WWE has launched a revolutionary program called the Indie Wrestling Development Program, also known as ID program. The program is designed to provide up and coming independent wrestlers with a pathway to a potential career in WE. Under the program, w will provide prominent independent wrestling schools with the WID official designation, with the goal providing new trainees and existing talent at these select institutions with enhanced developmental opportunities. WID will also I definity a top independent wrestling prospects with official WID Prospect designation and support their development journey. But providing financial opportunity, assisting with training, mentorship and development, including access to facilities, ring training, athletic trainers, and more.

42:13 A couple of these promotions include. Doctor Trey Bookert's Reality of Wrestling in Houston, Codey Roads, Diamar Factory in Atlanta, Seth Ronds, Black and Brave Academy in Davenport, Iowa, Elite Pro Wrestling Training Center in Concord in New Hampshire, and Knox Pro Wrestling in Los Angeles. Gabe Suppole Scully part of those overseeing the WID program. This is a pretty cool program, Doctor Trade. This is something that I never thought WWE would do. Your thoughts on this big change that is going on within World Wrestling Entertainment. I think it's great for a lot of the reasons. One is, you know, for a while w B had had put out needing. This is under Vince that you know, they weren't looking for independent talent. They wanted just athletes and you know, fitness models and things like that that they could train. You know, They're like they had that indie wrestlers had bad habits and it was hard to break those bad habits to fit in WB. This is great because now they're going, Hey, we do recognize that there is a lot of talent on the independent wrestling scene, and if we can help find those guys that have a passion for this business and help them bring them along, that's great. I think one of the things they're realizing is a lot of these former college athletes don't have a passion for wrestling, so they don't really try. I almost I'm not knocking a lot of all of them, but there are some like they just don't have that passion for the business. And you're investing a lot of time and energy and money into people that maybe don't even like wrestling all that much. They're just doing it for a job. If you're finding guys who are coming

43:45 up through these schools, obviously they have a passion for this and if we can help help move them along by financially backing them or something like that, you know, something like that, it's good for everybody involved. It's also good for independent rests because it throws it out there, like, hey, that there actually is kind of a path to get to where you want to go. There's so many guys that get into wrestling and they never get seen or they don't know what to do, or they take they start following the wrong guys and guys who are super talented and should be on a bigger platform and just never get there. So I'm really happy about it. I am a little surprised that there's a couple of schools that didn't get picked, but this isn't unheard of. Like we have Rocket City has an affiliation with Ohio Value Wrestling and al snow like our school is certified as an Ohio Valley Wrestling School, Certified Training Institution. I was surprised that Ohio Valley Wrestling wasn't one that got picked.

44:47 I was surprised that the Monster Factory in New Jersey, where so many guys have come out of, including Damian Priest, wasn't selected. Jacob's Pritchard Academy in Tennessee where doctor Tom and Glenn Jacobs run that school. So there's a few schools that weren't picked. It was kind of like, oh, Seth's got a Seth's got a school, We're gonna certify that one. Booker T's got a school. We're gonna certify that one. Knox Pro's run by Rakishi, Well his boys are here, get certified. It was kind of a little bit of nepotism in a way as to who got selected, so to speak. But there's a lot of great schools out there and I'm sure at some point they will be added into the mix of you know, certified w w i D schools.

45:32 According to WWE, they will be announcing and revealing the first wrestler in this ID program this weekend during Booker T's Reality of Wrestling event. So more on that as we get some more information and get the first wrestler under the in the books as a member of the w i D Wrestling program now as they are now branching out to independent wrestling, switching gears a bit here, Doctor Trey some unfortunate new Last year was a massive year for Ria Ripley. This year has been nothing but injury written a year for Rio Ripley, as they ran an angle on NXC television last week where she was taken out on the parking lot of course by Live Morgan and Roquel Rodriguez has a broken orbital bone.

46:20 That injury is legit. It wasn't legit from the parking lot problem. It was a way to cover it up, according to reports, to believe is that Rio Ripley's injury likely happened in a headbutt spot in when she front of Live Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez on the October twenty first edition w RAW. She is out for an indefinite amount of time, Doctor Trey, This has just been kind of an unfortunate year for Ria Ripley. Your thoughts is one of the best is now on the shelf for a little bit of time. Yeah, it sucks for her. I mean, she's arguably the best female wrestler on the planet as far as like overall entertainer type person. It just it's reminiscent of you've gone through this, like being a Yankees fan, being a Packers fan. You get that player that has an awesome year, wins the MVP, and the next year they just have the worst luck. I dealt with that this year being a Cubs fan. Cody Bellinger, great season last year, this season hurt almost the entire season. It just sucks because you know what their potential is. You know they're capable of doing, but they just have fluke injuries the entire year.

47:25 So it also has because you know, when you're hot, you basically burn the candle at both ends and you're just going one hundred miles an hour and you don't take as good of care as of your body getting rest that it needs. But you know, orbital bone, fluke injury. The shoulder injury was a fluke injury. It's all flucus injuries. I will say the NXT Beatdown spot looked gruesome. They they did a good job of selling that. She got what I mean, the blood like that, a little bit of blood that just they did a great job of selling that angle because it had me buying into it for a moment. But just sucks for Ria. It sucks for you know, WWE, because this is your money star and she's gonna be out for a little while. So I think that's also why you saw the to me, the elevation of Live Morgan into that feature spot at Crown Jewel. Yeah.

48:16 I immediately when you were going through there, I thought you were gonna say, Christian McCaffrey that too. Yeah. So I mean there's always that that's a great comparison. Seeing her on the shelf is never good because she's one of the best. So it is just one of those years for the career of one of the best in the business Ria Ripley, and hopefully she is back sooner rather than later. But from what I'm gathering it would I would assume that she's probably done from an anwering standpoint for the rest of twenty twenty four, and hopefully she'll be back for at least. A Rumble in twenty twenty five. Because I guess the good thing in this Doctor Trey is this lived Morgan Rea Ripley feud went from something that could be ending it let's say war Games or maybe you know, ending at Saturday Night's main event.

48:59 Or early in the year. I think with this injury, Live Morgan versus Ria Ripley could definitely be a match that we see at WrestleMania now, especially. If you have a returning Ria Ripley at the Rumble and she wins the Rumble to cash in and live at Wrestlemanian. So timeline wise, it works for WWE, it just sucks for her and the company as a whole, because I mean, she's one of the top merchandise sellers. She's one of the nicest people too, Like everybody I know that's had an interaction with her, like at a autograph signing or something that She's just so likable and so much fun to be around. It just sucks on that end, but yeah, you can run this angle all the way to WrestleMania now if she comes back at the Rumble.

49:40 Trying to find some silver linings here for Ria Ripley. And then the last thing I want to talk about in this week's show, Doctor Trey Goldberg announced during his appearance on the SEC Networks pregame show for college football last weekend that he will be having this retirement match in twenty twenty five in World Wrestling Entertainment. In WE, he will be back for one match. It'll be the first time he'll be wrestling since twenty twenty two, which was in Crown Jewel. There have been a lot of rumblings. He had some discussions with AW. He was mad with WWE. There was a retirement tour that was supposed to be going I think over in I most like Israel. At some point I felt like it was overseas that he was going to be doing a tour. All that has not come to fruition. He is ending it in w WE in twenty twenty five. Everything is pointing towards a match with gun Third. There are folks that are thinking that this is going to be taking a place at WrestleMania.

50:31 I would love to see them do it in Atlanta, Georgia, maybe the Georgia Dome for old time sake. He is an enigma, doctor Trey. He is somebody that is often debated in his time in professional wrestling. There have been times that you and I have absolutely loved when he is back in wrestling. There have been times that you and I have been deathly afraid that he's becoming a world champion during his return to professional wrestling. Your thoughts here is Goldberg will be announce his retirement match for twenty twenty five. Yeah, I mean good for him. I mean to be a wrestler and to be able to have a retirement match and to be able to kind of go off on your own terms. You know, it's great. And it's funny because you know, I remember when he came back the last time, and you saw and he came back for the sake, you know, because his son had never really seen him wrestle, and you got that little bit a gauge Goldberg run. And now Gage is playing football at Colorado for Dion Sanders. Just shows you like, like how this whole thing plays out. So like, I'm happy he's gonn get a shot. I would love to see him.

51:28 This is crazy, Jeff, You're You're not gonna even want to say this. I want Goldberg to win the w W Championship. I want him to beat Gunther. Because he wins, he retires, they vacate the title, and we get a tournament to crown. A new w W champion with a tournament. Yes, I want to see a wrestle We have not had a WrestleMania world title tournaments. Is WrestleMania three so it was a three or four I think it. Was three Survivor Series ninety eight. Yeah, okay, so but WrestleMania season, if he has the Magic Royal Rumble, wins, the title, vacates it. You have this tournament WrestleMania, you have Night one, be the entire tournament.

52:14 There you go, and I know how much you love tournament. So this that was an incomplete enticing of you getting on board with Goldberg win the world title. I can't see that happening. I don't even know if he should defeat I mean, everybody knows it's gonna be Gunther Part in any changes. I don't even know if he should defeat Guntherro Doctor. Trey Well, what if it comes out to real American? If Goldberg comes out to Hulkogan's theme song. Yes, I mean it's a real American against a guy from Austria. I mean, now you're getting be crazy, my friend, Now you're getting crazy. I don't know. I'm happy for him. I mean we're gonna be entering twenty twenty five with retirement tour, not only for John Cena, but a retirement match for Goldberg.

52:57 I mean, this is closing the book on our parts of our childhood. Doctor Trey Well, I mean Goldberg would be the end of the Attitude era for us. The w CW folks just cringed when you said that. I know, I know, but that it's it's what it is. It's the close. I mean that he's the He would be the last real I don't only say active because he hasn't wrestled in three years, but he's the last link to that timeline really that still can compete in the ring. Everybody else is gone. So and then Seena is the like Sina is kind of like one of the last people from the ruthless aggression area. You got Orton and Mysterio and you know Edge if you guys linger around but Sina, that'd be kind of closing the chapter on the the focal point of the ruthless aggression era.

53:43 So we're I don't know what the next what era we're in to attitude, ruthless aggression. I don't know what the next era was after that. PG era. Run with. I mean, there were so many start stops. This is the new era of w WI. They tried doing that multiple multiple times. Yeah, No, I mean, I'm happy for him. I'm happy it's going to be under the WI and brother. I think that's the right way to go about and I think and I'm happy that WWE is giving him this opportunity. So he's a bit of an enigma. I'm a fan of Bill Goldberg. I'm happy that he's going out the way that he wants because he certainly deserves that. So more on that as we get more details for twenty twenty five. With that said, let's get a couple plugs and spots of the way we close up shop on this week's edition of SRTU. You get down on the show every Thursday, or Friday at Real Guy Radio dot com. Rustle chatting that on X and is still Real to Show iTunes feed, don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to help us climate charts on iTunes. You can follow us individually on X for myself at SRTU, Jeff and for doct Trey Franklin at The Doctor Trey and of course fel forget to follow show on X at SRTU podcast. With that being said, what is going on in the one for world of dot Trey Franklin this week?

54:49 Well, like Jeff said, you can follow me on X at the Doctor Trey. You can find me on Facebook and Instagram Doctor Trey Franklin. When you're on Facebook, check out Rockets Championship Wrestling and and Championship Resident, the two shows I work with very closely here in the state of Alabama. On top of that, hey, go check out your local independent wrestling show because they might become part of the WWE I D family at some point. That kid you see bouncing around the ring might become the next prospect for WWE. And also, Jeff, I just realized now I have to go home and play NCA twenty four because I have to see if Gage Goldberg is in the game. I forgot to look for that. In there. You got to go check out the depth chart, and all of a sudden, Engage Goldberg becomes some sort of monster on Doctor Trey's NCAA College Football twenty four would say?

55:36 Would that being said, thank you for downloading, thank you for hanging in there with us this week. It was a little bit of struggle for my voice. I appreciate that. Hopefully it's not too. Crappy for everybody's ear holes, but I appreciate everybody downloading and spread the word about SRTU. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, spread the word. That's how we get bigger and bigger here on the show and until next week. For Doctor Troy Franklin, I am Jeff Pack. This has been the sort of I shall