We owe WWE creative an apology | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #696 – 6/15/23

0:00 It's stud up. Well. Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's This in a snow Reel to show episode number six hundred ninety six for June a, teen to two thousand three. Welcome to this week's Ssion of ass are the team years. I am one after the show, I am Jeff Pack joined every single week. My cow song, my doctor right, thank doctor Trey. What is up? My friend? I think I am like NWA Country right now or TNA Country. I'm in Nashville, well, Murphy's Borough, but I'm Nashville at Jason so, like, uh, I mean the home of the third place wrestling companies. I don't. I don't really know what you call this thing, but I'm here. It's music city and we're some wrestlings pretty excited. Do you do you still watch Impact on occasion? Like I can't. I have a hard time finding it on because I have we have switched from Direct TV to Hulu Live, so it's difficult for me to track it down. Yes, So I just kind of like find clips and videos and YouTube stuff and kind of watch you out there. Plus Josh Alexander's out injured, and everybody knows my love for Josh Alexander, So I really haven't watched Impact in like two years. It was it was like the wrestling

1:32 promotion I needed cut from the pandemic when the pandemic was going on, Like everybody that listened to the show back then, I was watching Impact every single week really enjoyed it. Was one of my favorite shows during the pandemic was Impact Wrestling. I thought they did some great stuff. Don't follow it all that much, but they have a lot of good things going for them right now. They're doing the stuff with the New Japan for like the Metaverse, they're tour in Australia. They just seem to be doing really well and they're pretty much under the radar for company that used to be number two that was you know at times I think people forget, but they were similar to like what AW is now. Probably AW is more popular from a national perspective and then obviously fell off the face of the earth, but from like a very solid wrestling promotion. They're doing a good job and I think they need to be applauded for the stuff they putting out there each and every week. So I forgot they were having a pay per view and I'm on Facebook and they're like Alex Shelley New Impact World Chaman, I'm like, I didn't know.

2:35 Alex Shelley was like, like they just put the belt on Steve Macklin and then switched it right back on to Alex Shelley is like, all right, but I mean for having you know, the former Naomi there, the women's divisions always been good. Tag Tea and divisions always been good. You got Sammy callahan and Jake Chris back together for me, you know there, Oh I four K type pig, so Rich Schwan's a part of it. I mean, they got some good stuff going on. It's just you know, they just don't have that draw. They don't have that person that's going to change the ratings, you know, And well they have to draw. Sam mccallahan, Yes, yes, so, but he's not you know, the demo guy. True, he gives people to pay money to come to see him wrestle, but Jericho gives him to gun watch for free. Yeah.

3:16 Yeah, it's it's uh, they're doing good. They're doing good. I agree with you. They don't have that like big name value that I see that can bring everybody in. But yeah, they've got some very solid workers. People that you are are very entertaining, and I'm happy for him. They seem to be in a much better place than they were six years ago, and I think they've kind of realized what their niche is at this point, that this is probably how they will be as arresting promotion going forward is like this very small, middle of the road, mid tier arrested promotion, and they're okay with that. Now. The TNA days are behind them. The chance of running at w is way behind them. And running third in a world where there's a lot of amazing wrest in promotions the United States is not a bad thing. So props the Impact Wrestling. An unsolicited conversation to kick off this week's This to the podcast Switching Gears, Doctor Trey, You know, I mentioned this recently and I figured we should bring it up for conversation now. But I believe I don't necessarily know if you believe, but I believe that we owe the Cody Rhodes and Brock Lesner feud an apology.

4:28 Night after WrestleMania, everybody was not happy. I mean literally everybody was not happy with the way that that raw was ran. People didn't understand the Cody feud to begin with, and then they had a match at Backlash and it was pretty good match, and then build heading into that match was pretty good. And then they had a match at Night of Champions and that match was pretty good and it made sense, and the build for that was pretty good. It made sense. And here we are in this weird time period where they're obviously angling for Cody versus Broad at SummerSlam, and there's some rumors right now that that may be a bull Row match, which would be awesome because that is in line with Dusty Rhodes. But here we are this time period where Cody's getting ready for Dominic and I just took a step back with everything.

5:16 And Cody mentioned in his promo and Raw that you know, maybe Brock accepts his challenge or what have you, comes out and accepts it, And I'm like, man, this feud is is pretty darn good. I don't know if it's knocking on the door a feud of the year at all. I think it maybe knocked on the door of at least a candidate for few to the year, but ultimately Doctor Trey, I feel like we as wrestling fans, oh this feud in apology because they've done a pretty damn good job so far. Yeah, I mean, like you said, you know, after wrestle Mania, the weird turn out of Nowhere, which then you know you read the stories about, well, actually we dropped hints there was some foreshadowing of who the Brock was going back to. But yeah, it's actually been pretty good, and it's accomplishing something that we talked about heading in the wrestle Mate, which was where Cody didn't have them any obstacles overcoming. Now in the past, you know, three months, he's had a ton he has to had to overcome now, so it's been really good. If they do the bull rope match, I mean, not only is it you know, Nomasa Dusty, but it kind of fits the characters as well, because you got still cowboy Brock and you know, Cody being the grandson of a plumber. I mean, it's Americana. It kind of fits all those things together. And I mean I'm sure now, I'm like, really, you go back and watch a lot of Champions. That was a really good match, and it's actually one of Brock's better matches he's had in a while.

6:41 And even uh, you know at Backlash, it was still one of Brock's better performances. So and those are the times you can tell Brock's actually really into the story as well, is when you feel like he's trying and he's also helping elevate somebody else. So to me, that's also shy a sign that you know Cody has a Brock's respect, which well, ten years ago, there's no way in hell if I ever thought that would have. And not only that, but we loved Babyface Brock. We loved everything that he was doing, and a heel turn like this soon kind of didn't make any sense at all. Peculiar booking for Bobby Lashley Versus Brockett Elimination Chamber in February, and come to find out that that was starting to plant the seeds of a heel turn. Peculiar build with Omas heading into Wrestlemanian again, that was then planting seeds for a heel turn. You know, sometimes we as wrestling fans don't give credit to things that we don't snuff out or find out right away. And you can make a case that w Creative did stuff that we weren't realizing, but afterwards maybe we were too pissed off. About the way that that raw after WrestleMania took place to fully understand, like, wait, that was really good what w WE did, And I think that's something for me as a wrestling fan, and like I feel like I'm at wrestling fan anonymous now even though everybody knows me. Let's listen to the podcast, like hand up that you know moment in February's Elimination Chamber, that Easter Egg was pretty brilliant. The build heading into wrestum Anting with Omas was pretty brilliant because

8:16 what we're seeing right now, like it makes sense and that's our biggest gripe right at the time. In February, Marshall like this doesn't make any sense, and then here we are in June, it's like ah. And that's what wrestlers, wrestling promoters, creative writers, producers in wrestling tell us nowadays, is like, don't initially react to things. And that's tough for two guys to do a podcast, but don't initially react, Absorb what's going on, Enjoy what's going on, enjoy the ride, and just let it take you to that point and when it happens, you realize it. And I think that's the epiphany in this hall, the Tiffany Epiphany, Tiffany Stratton epiphany, doctor training. This entire thing is like, man, w Creative did a pretty damn good job, and we were shifting on it pretty hard.

9:01 It's probably the most we've crapped on w programming in twenty twenty three was that night after WrestleMania and specifically that Brock Lesser Cody Rhodes feud kickoff. Yeah, like, I mean, I still remember, like the Rods that was bad, but I remember seeing You're going, yeah, I don't understand why they did it. It was kind of weird, but you know, codium Brock, I mean, hell, that's it's a good opportunity for Cody, and now you've seen him take advantage of that opportunity. And then I think the other thing is is over the last nine months and almost a year now, because I think it's almost been a year since Triple Agis kind of took over WW for the most part, We're so used to kind of seamless transitions from storyline is storyline, and this was so knee jerk, you know. It was like it was a stop to the Roman race thing and then boom right into Brock and we're just kinta of carpet. You you look at like Kevin and Sammy and the bloodline, those are like kind of seamlessly transitioned into alternate rivalries as well, and you know, those are things that we like.

10:03 And you know, plus out of this whole thing, we get a little bit of Cody and Dom, Like I'm kind of on board for this because Dom's a great heel and they both have these lineages and legacies, Like I'm looking forward to money in the bank right now just because there's a little mini feud in between the Brock feud. So it's it's really good across all boards of getting cross over, getting guys elevated, getting guys more TV time. It's been fantastic. And a couple of weeks we'll look at some of the candidates for our twenty twenty three SRT Award show at the halfway point of twenty twenty three, which is mind blowing to say out loud, where is this feud starting to enter that candidacy, Doctor Trey, Because I think a lot of people want to point too, well, you know, look at Sammy and the bloodline, or maybe the stuff with the USOS and the Bloodline, and I think those are definitely considered feuds. Those are more like storylines.

10:54 It feels like to me, the Cody Brock thing is more of a feud. And when you look at the w W perspective, this is possibly top three five and definitely right now. Maybe Ray and Dom as a few is much better than this one, but this has some potential if this goes all the way towards SummerSlam. Yeah, I mean, I'm I probably got it in the top four or five for the year at least, you know, And a lot of it is where do you position stuff as far as like if we're going straight from the beginning of the year to now, like uh, Ray and Dom you know kind of started before the year changed over, but then uh, you know obviously only through Wrestleman and even a little bit lingering over now. Um, I had another one. I mean Sammy in the Blood Life. You just look at Sammy saying versus the Bloodline. You know, that's obviously gonna be like right up the very top. Um, even the Elite versus the you know, the Blackpool Combat Club right now, it's got to be up there too, because that's been very compelling television as well. So it's up and probably the top five, especially if they go away the summer slamming. It's just been I mean seeing Brock get busted open a backlash and seeing the broken you know, the supposed broken arbango. I mean, this is some intensity in this rivalry that we typically don't get within the first two matches of a feud. But so for the Dance was Kennedy helped rush the elevation to be appreciated that for Cody Rhodes, this is a

12:24 damn brutal rivalry. And it's not Cody just kind of going out of his way to be brutal. It's literally it's in the confines of your storytelling. Yeah, and if they do a bull rope match, and I expect it to be a great match, this could this could this could be knock on the door of a few of the year. Can it pretty hard? Which is insane because again mind boggling wise, um, we were not in favor of it. So I stand here today, doctor Trey. I apologize to w Creative as a wrestling fan for the Cody and Brock feud. My initial thoughts on it. We owe it an apology. Are you co signing this apology with me? I am with one one caveat do we get the old school ball roll match or do we get the four corners bull row match?

13:07 But I always thought the four corners was old school? Am I wrong? No? No, Like back back in the Texas days, the bull rope matches were like Texas death matches. Basically you had the bull rope and like knock them out at all and you basically beat a guy until you pinned them. But I think they do the lights. I think they do the lights. I'm just wondering if it's if it's Brock, is this it's Brock and Cody, Like can they use like a little bit of like creatively away with this, because I mean, really it's getting to point now like those four corn matches is kind of hard to do something creative for the finish to satisfy the audience. And we've we've almost seen everything when it comes up to it, and they've done some pretty creative finishes so far with the Kamara lockpin to the passing out, Like, yeah, I think they can, I'm hope.

13:54 So like we did one one year Rocket City and as the Heel did the baby Face goes around hits all three cords that the heels behind him, hitting all three baby Face goes at the fourth quarter as the manager, I jumped in the ring and pounced on the turnbuckle so he couldn't touch it, and he gave the bad guy time to knock him down. I got away from the corner and the bad guy touched the fourth corner and one. So there are there are some ways out there to pull it off and actually be creative, but I kind of missed the old school like NWA, you know, Georgia Championship Wrestling stalages like Brutal Fish's matches where like you have to you know, walk around the ring to win. Do you join in on the apology for this feud? Hit us up on Twitter? Yeah, you are joining in on a doctor Trey. Yeah, I'm in on it. I just you know, I want a good match at the end, but yeah, I'm signing off on it. Um. It's it's been really good in entertending, so I can't I can't complain either. I fully expect it will be good. I feel like lessner, I mean obviously more Cody and Triple h R students of the Game but Lessner doesn't get a lot of credit for it. You know, there's some old school minds there with Cody and Triple H, and Lesner has a good creative mind as well. So I think this summer Slam stuff is going to be pretty awesome, speaking with things that are going on creative right could relatively right now with the last couple of weeks, there's been some teasing right now of a potential breakup in the Judgment Day.

15:16 The Judgment Day to me is this is I think a little bit of polarizing because the Bloodline is so damn good, But the Judgment Day to me is the hottest stable in all professional wrestling right now. No disrespect to the elite Blackpool Combat Club the Bloodline. I'm loving what's going on with the Judgment Day and it just feels special. And I would say, as a longtime wrestling fan that if it looked like they were all going to remain together, that maybe a baby face turn could be coming, which would be very difficult because of Dom's healheat. But nonetheless, when you look at the individuals right now, Damian Priests coming out of Backlash, he seems to be ascending. This seems like, where were you when you saw the beginning of the rise that was Damien Priests And I feel like that is going on right now.

16:03 He's every Money in the Bank, which we'll talk about here momentarily as well, but he seems to be ascending. Ria Ripley is getting cheered and is super over, maybe one of the highest cheered wrestlers in the entire company right now, of like Kevin Owen, Sammy Cody Rode, Seth Rollins, and Ria Ripley, Like people are going nuts and doing mommy chants. Dominic Mysteria is one of the biggest heat magnets in all of wrestling right now, and it's super over as that heel. People love to boo him. He's doing amazing in his role. Finn Balor has a Money in the Bank World Heavyweight title match now against Seth Freakin Rollins in a couple of weeks, and he had some interesting interactions with Damien Priest lay. Plus he was seen talking to PROTEJJD McDonough on this past week's edition of Raw. So to me, there's maybe some tensions between Damian and Finn, and could this be the beginning cracks of a breakup for Judgment Day as a group, or could we see that maybe the group is kicking out Damian Priest in the future to help with that ascension that seems to be organically taking place right now? Where do you stand on this creative booking right now with the Judgment Day, Doctor Trey? Is it time to break up the Judgment Day? Do we see a Damien Priests kick out and exit, maybe he gets replaced with the JD mcdonnah or do you just keep the good times rolling and let them continue to do their thing each and every week? Un raw, I mean personally, I'm you know, I'm a big stable guy, and you know, to me, bringing

17:34 mcdonnah in and kind of still letting them do their thing right now would be good. The biggest thing if you go kick somebody out is you're helping to elevate them and make them a bigger star. And it's hard. Like I think when you look up paper, you're like, Okay, Rie is a big star. Don's becoming a big star. Damien's position to be a big star worse fit? Like do we think Finns any better now than he was in NXT? Do we think Finns any higher up the food Charee because Finn takes most of the losses when Judgment Day loses, and although he does have a world title match, and they did a good job of referencing the first you know, universal title match to kind of give him some credibility. Like them kicking Damien out and Damien to few with Finn, does that really do anything for Damien at that point? So I think you got it, Like they haven't had that big singles title. When for the men's side of it, to help elevate one of the guys that they kick kick him out, there's no chase other than revenge. They've done it with Ria, But I think in w'siris, the star of the group and the guys of their support her, So I would just kind of help. I would kind of keep it as as is, maybe at him mcdonnaugh and then if somebody else catches fire that maybe you end up kicking out to help them catch fires a baby face and that's the way you go. Yeah, it's interesting right now.

18:56 It's just it feels like that something is bubbling up with the Judgment Day. I feel like the stock is rising for the entire group. I feel like as individuals, their stock is rising as well, and it I just get good vibes watching creatively what's going on with the Judgment Day right now. I feel like they're part of the mussy television that you see on w programming each week. Love what I'm seeing from Raw and I like the current storylines that are involved with It's it's great to see and again creatively for something that started out post restimating with edge and had a lot of different stumbling blocks along the way. I mean, I think there was one point they were off television for a little bit and I think Finn and Damian priests did like a main event match a tag team, and it was just like this big question mark of what was going on. And then Triple H gets evolved and you just see the group move forward very proactively and become over as heels and and that's part of my concern is a long time wrestling fan, I watched them.

19:57 There's there's some d xish to them, their anti authority, anti establishment, and as time goes on their anti heroes, fans genuinely start to adapt to that. And I would have a tough time seeing that right now with Dom and the group, but I think fans would still share on the group, but boo Dom because they enjoy doing that. It's it just seems like that this current time frame that we're seeing, I just feel like that there's something special going on with the judgment day, and I think creatively it's a very important time for them and their future as a group moving forward. Yeah, you're absolutely right, Like then there's a lot of ways. I mean Dom's I don't know. I think you could eventually pull the trigger on making it.

20:42 Like if they all turned on Dom and threw doma. I think the crowd would pop her that too, because at first they'd be like, oh right, Don's getting beat up. But as long as the rest of groups stays heal, Like if if Rhya decides, they just beat up Dom because she's now in love with JD mcgunna, you know, or something like that. But it gives you options, and that's one of the great things about stables is that you can kind of go, hey, who do we think catch fire if we move somebody? So, I mean that's what the Horsemen did for years. The nWo did that for years. You know, DX didn't really kick guys out, but they were so edgy as a heel that you can flit back and look at the nation when they kicked Farruca and Rock went on top. So there's there's all gives you options across the board to kind of play with and figure out the what chess pieces you want to move around the board to get the maximum results. Speaking about the ascension of Damian Priest, it appears as it stands right now, the Men's Money in Bank ladder match is cemented, and when you look at the participants in that Men's Money in Bank match, there are no former world champions and that as people pretty excited and I am here for it. Those participants include Santos Escobar, Butch, Damian Priests, La Night, Ricochet, and Chinsky Nakamura. It certainly feels to me that's a lot of, if not all, Triple H guys are getting showcased in this match. So I saw this on Twitter recently, Doctor Trey, and it was pointing out and I was like, Wow, that's really really cool, because we're gonna have a fresh new name involved in some sort of world championship title picture, whether it be the Universal Title

22:12 or Undisputed University Tite or whatever they call on that belt. Now that Roman has the World Everyweight Championship, or if for some ungodly known reason they decide that the money brank briefcase winners got to cash in on an XT champion, which is right now Carmelo Hayes. No disrespect to Carmelo, but I feel like, if you're going to do this, let up be what we're seeing on Ron SmackDown right now, since especially NXT kind of went back more towards the developmental brand than a legit footed brand like we thought it was back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. So with that said, fresh competitors, fresh new competitors, Doctor Trey, I am here for it. What are your thoughts about this? Like, I love that this field is taking place, and it has a lot of people excited for the Men's Money to Break match, more excitement that we've seen in some time. Yeah, I'm excited about it. Just once again, it's also about elevating, you know, talent up the ladder so to speaks and you know, as we've seen over the last few months, we see people move up and then you see like the Baron Corbyn's, the Dana Brooks as peopill drop down to kind of help out at NXT, so it gives you know, a fresh coat of paint for some of these guys. And when you're looking at at the guys in this money in the Bank match, you're like, man, like, any one of these guys could win, but they would also have to work on building them up to not just win, but actually be credible in the way we don't want to jack swigger anybody, so to speak. So, um, I don't know, but you like, I feel like La nice the odds on Favorite though, but I mean out of everybody else in there, I can make a case for just about anybody hid in the match, but just

23:45 once again, like form my perspective of always like I always like when the eel win because they can be sneaky when they cash in. Like right now, my odds on Favorite La Night, Well, you know, I think I think it's Damien Priest right now, but I couldn't make a case so I can make it for Damian Priest, l and I and shins K. I love Santos Butch and Ricochet as well, but I think to me those three are the favorites. Yeah. I once again, I always kind of look at like who looks like a world champion in addition to being just a great wrestler. But who looks at the park And as much as we love Shinsk, can you put Shinsky? You know on well used to be Regions and Kelly. I don't know who the hell does the morning shows anymore, but you know we you know it was it's Kelly and the guy for American Idol. Last it was I believe it's her husband. Now it's what I'm seeing. Mark. Oh, Kelly and Mark. That's the name of the show. That's all okay, So Kelly and Mark, that's it sounds like that, It sounds like it just it sounds like a gospel group in the nineteen seventy two. Um. But yeah, it's really you know, if Damian Priest wins, Damian Priest could actually be a great promo guy. We've seen that elevation with like I don't know, Damian Priests in some ways reminds me like a blend of Dwayne, Like he's got an it factored to him that you just can't teach and then La Night of course to get maybe one of the best talkers in the business right now. So like either one of

25:17 those guys can carry a title belt, look good at a suit and tie and go out there and parade around in front of people to get them to come by into watching the wrestling show. So I mean, yeah, I would say Elie for me, Elie Night one priest too, And you're probably in reverse. So question in regards to this match, right, you and I two three weeks ago, you know, would would give aw grief for the four Pillars match that they did, and that was pushing four new stars that we knew basically nothing about five years ago. Here we are now and de wie Uee is doing a similar approach where they're pushing six stars now. Granted we everybody kind of knew who some of these folks were. Damian Priests punish him, our teams, La Night and Schinsk. Ricochet was out there as well. Santos Escobar had a run butch had a run over in the UK, Like these were names that were known, but on a national level we're not well known. Why are we more excited about this match from WWE than we were for the a w four Pillars match for the World Championship.

26:23 I think for me, it's the style of the match, Like this money the bank always kind of also has an element of luck involved into it. So if you lose, if you don't win money in the bank, it doesn't hurt your career. Where the four pillars match a I was worried that whoever took the pinfall was going to take a hit. Secondly, at that point, I didn't see the upside because in a way, if MJF one, he was beating three of his youngest rivals, and you know, what do you do coming out of that, and really they just almost I don't want to say they ignored them match, is just that the all four guys went in different directions with money of the bank. Like I said, it's an element of luck. It's not like one guy who's going to Japan one of their guys to win, so nobody gets hurt and the loss and I think that's one reason. Two, we've seen how it's worked in the past to help elevate guys up. Let the see Him Punks, that Daniel Bryan, the Jeff Hardy's, you know, the edge golf stickler. We've seen it help guys where in that situation. The only comparison I had to was the WrestleMania that we had to had a Big Show Rock? Was it Mankind and Stonehold usual about WrestleMania, Yeah, the four Corners was Triple H Rock mc foley, Big Show. Yeah, so that was my only comparison, And I mean, how when he came out of that match, Yeah, it kind of pushed Big Show down a little bit, but those guys are also on a different level. I like that was also part of the bill,

27:55 was your Buildings. That was a main event match, and really three of the guys in that match have not been main event players. So I don't know if Money in the Bank is the main of his name. Paper is named after it, but I don't know if you because they're the Money in the Bank match the main event of Money in the Bank when you have other stuff going on around it, like Cody and Brock and Seth and Fin and whatever we do with Roman and the Bloodline and stuff like that, Like, I don't know what Mighty the Bank might be the fifth best match on Money in the Bank. So I was giving thought to my own question here right, like why are we more excited about this one? And I think anybody who was a true aw homer would be like, let's because you guys always saw it with DVD WW and you hate AW, which is completely not true at all. Love AW as well, But when you look at the AW Four Pillars match, we felt like, creatively, some of those guys did not deserve to be in that match. When you look at money in the bank, none of those guys are main eventures right now. But the belief that one of them will be a main event or coming out of that match has us as wresting fans excited, And I think that's probably the different there is, Like the Four Pillars was forced on us, This was organically produced, and once the realization came in, like hey, these are people that are upper mid carters maybe mid carter or upper mid carters, and one of them will come out of this with a potential chance to become a world champion, that has as excited. And these are six people that we genuinely

29:25 like and want to see build rather than being pushed down our throats. Four pillars that maybe the fans just cannot relate to. Overall, if Sammy or Jungle Boy or Darby had won that match, would we feel different about it because wouldn't that person be a main eventer? I feel like if Sammy won the match. I would be happy Darby won the match. I'd be happy jungle Boy would be the one that I wasn't. So if Sammy or Darby won, would we feel differently about that match? Like you and I went to that match, it's fully believing that it was MJF. Nobody else really had shot Ye if Sammy or Darby had won the match and we were in that match was actually it was good match, very good And if Dammy Darby had won, like we'd probably be like, man, that was actually a fantastic match, and put it would now Sammy's a main inventor. No MJF has to chase Sammy down to get his belt back, maybe we'd feel different about it. But I think the way it was put together and the way it was booked leading into it, where you didn't really have that belief that three of the guys in that match deserve to be in the main event match.

30:30 That's where the hold up was. But you know, Sammy has shocked the world or Darby has shocked the world. That won the match, would like dear God, that was great and aw surprised us so so looking more than anything else, Like with that match, right, MJF made sense why it was there. Darby felt like a main event player. The thing with Sammy during the beginning that feud felt like he was out of place, but that feud actually helped to build him up. And like I've said recently, like you can make a case and I think he's a baby face again, jungle Boy was the one that never like made any movement. Like for me, I think jungle Boy comes off more helish than anything and more unlikable coming out of it because his characters kind of boring, his personality is kind of boring. I feel like this is creatively pushing him to become a heel.

31:19 I feel like that is ultimately what pays off. Just you know, we're recording this during Dynamites, so maybe he's turned heal tonight for all I know by the time this is downloaded. But that's the expectation for me, is that he is creatively being pushed heal organically we pushed Heal with And that's how it felt about that match, where by the end of it, like three people felt like they belonged, one didn't, Mund the bank all six of these people don't feel like they belong in the world. Title picture presently, but you know, some of them, most of them, all of them. Rustling fans could be like, I would love to see Santo Seskabar in a main event, few and Butching a main event, few, Damian prec in a main event, feud, et cetera. But now once you see it out there and there's that like, Okay, wow, who's going to get that choice by creative to be in that next echelon, that's pretty exciting And that was great matches was that this match was supposed to help push the next echelon up. Yeah. Absolutely, That's why I was. You know, when you reference from the past title winners, I mean, of course you had your your brock Lesner at Anomaliesy they haven't looked seth Rawlins was money in the bank and cashed in and it was one of the hudd of the century. You know. Yeah, there's been a couple other guys that have won and you're like, damn that happened, But I mean, hell, Rob van dam getting the shot against John Cena one of the most memorable matches in WW history. You know, Brian danil Due Daniel, Brian cashing In and Jackson Judd super Dolph's sicular cashing in. No, you said, Jack

32:50 Swiger, that made sense too, Yeah, but I mean his run was pretty bad. But I mean, yeah, we've had Kane win and some other guys win, but really that was always the shot for guys to get elevated into main events status and prove or whether or not they get belong So I think that's why we also make cut some slack, you know, just because of the history of this match into what it's done as well. To me, the purpose of the money Bank briefcase match, whether it be for men or women, is to push a new star and put them up at that echelon and give them an opportunity and run with a championship. And that's always been very exciting, whether it be Cmpunk, whether it be Dolf Sickler, whether it be the Miz. Like, that's the purpose of this live Morgan Carmela, Like, you want to see somebody that you least expect to become a world champion have that opportunity, and it's been kind of lost a little bit here and there over the years, but now you're stilling with this match, like six fresh faces never been in a World championship feud never been a world champion. I know people are probably screaming, well, what about Shin's case runs NXC champion. I get it, but this is we were talking about. They don't acknowledge that this World championship. So I'm excited about it and I love to see that there are no formal world champions in that match. I'm looking forward in the Monday Bank in just a couple of weeks.

34:07 And then, lastly, speaking of excitement, Doctor Trey, it hit me this past Saturday. I was like, Wow, this is the last Saturday Night where there is no professional wrestling on television for maybe the rest of my life. This upcoming Saturday AW Saturdaynight Collision TNT the return of cmpunk. He'll be teaming with FTR to take on Bullet Club Gold and Samoa Jail. That's j White and Juice Robinson. I simply ask you, are you excited for AW Saturday Night Collision? Are you excited for another night out of your week to sit down and watch professional wrestling? Well, first of all, I'm not gonna be able to watch it because I am in the business and so I have a show I have to do so and it's also my anniversary.

34:49 So there really the worst night they could have picked. But I'm intrigued. They have my mouth watering a little bit to see what they do. I don't know if I'm excited, but I'm I'm oh god, what's the most overused phrase that we use here, I'm cautiously optimistic about what this collision brings to us because it is, Look, we may get on this guy's case and we have this weird love hate relationship with but like see him. Punk's good for wrestling. He always creates something that makes people talk. So and the more eyes that you get coming to AW is better for everybody involved. So and then you know, getting FDR in the main event. Jeff's excited, is ja White's in the main event? I mean, all these things are coming together for this first show, and so it's kind of a mini perfect storm for anyw just with this match alone. So yeah, I'm I don't know if I'm saying exciting. I'm not giddy, you know, but uh, I'm feeling pretty good. Jeff feeling pretty good. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I wouldn't say I'm I'm I'm not excited. I think there's an oversaturation Professional Round right now on the market. Docs Tray, I don't like knowing that on Saturday Night there's going to be a show and it's gonna be a DVR show basically for a lot of folks, including myself.

36:10 And while I love the sport that is professional wrestling, it's another night of the week where another show is on, and um, you know there's a possibility that one out of every four shows is really good. I just I just think that there's so much oversaturation Mondays with Raw, Tuesdays with NXT, Wednesdays with Dynamite, Thursday with if you watch it Impact Wrestling or New Japan, Fridays with SmackDown and Rampage, and now Saturday with Collision, and then if you watch Sundays Superstar Sundays in A and E, there's in depth of wrestling stuff going on. Dutch Tray, I don't. I don't.

36:52 I don't think we need this added layer to it. I gotta be honest with you. As a wrestling fan, if I was just an AW fan, this makes total sense. But as a've sen fan that watches everything, I think this is too much. Well, it's a little bit like we've talked about in the past. Is it's a little bit of the all you can eat buffet right now era pro wrestling, where it just kind of depends what your flavor of choice is, like what you're going to watch, and you know, some of us are conditioned to always watch Raw and Monday nights, and you know, watching anything else is kind of like, okay, where's the priority list? And but for the for the show itself or for fans of AW like, I think it's great because now they get an extra couple of hours of television time, they can do some storytelling, elevate some people that haven't been on TV. I mean, we're probably getting Mirror back and I love missa Mirro, you know on drawd as me back at some point, like Collision might be a little bit more WWE than what you know Dynamite is. And for those fans who have been conditioned for an eight or for a WW product, hey, this might be the right show for them as well. Yeah. I mean again, let me split this up.

37:53 As a wrestling fan that watches a lot of wrestling, this is it's this is a little bit of a gott to be totally honest. As an ae W fan, this makes a ton of sense. They needed to do this with the way that the roster was. If I was just a standalone aw fan, they watched Dynamite and Rampage and now added a collision. It's like, Okay, this is great because now, like doctor Trey said Miro Andreid Alida Low thunder Rose, Scorpio, Sky, Samoa, Joe, Cmpunk, whoever Powerhouse ops Like, now they're getting an opportunity to shine more than the three hour window that they have with two hours of Dynamite in the one hour of Rampage, which has kind of been a throwaway show. So I look at it in two different ways. Wrestling fan who does a wrestling podcast, It's like, oh my god, another two hours. Aw fan love it so split personality. I feel like I'm two faced from Batman. Doctor Trey, Well, his last name was Harvey Dent and that's actually the last name is my birth name. So they go, it's just all full circle at the end of the day. Somehow we always get back to one another.

38:55 Unfortunately, there are no comic book book character that are PG that were had the last name pack So or at least pack in it. That's for other adult type Marvel comments, I guess so, no, there there's the great Gregory Peck. So you know, great Pat. That's true. He great actor. And didn't the writer of Moby Dick. Wasn't that Peck? I don't know. Now we're talking about literature, which is that's for literature casts that we do. Dude, I live in Jeff, I live in Alabama. You know I can't read true? That is true. He actually the book is upside down and you gotta turn at this point, doctor Trey, and there we go, my friend. So there you go, Saturday Collision. We will talk about that on next week's show. And speaking of the upcoming schedule, next week June twenty second, we will preview and predict AW and New Japan Pro Wrestlings Prevents Presents Fourbidendoor twenty twenty three. Two weeks from now, we will preview and predictivity Were Mine in the Bank two thousand and twenty three, and we'll look at the two thy twenty three SRTU Award Show candidates at the halfway point of the year. And then three weeks from now July the sixth, we recap and review with aw New Japan Forben and Door and ww Money in the Bank twenty twenty three. Now you may be asking yourself, wait, why are they recapping Foreben and Door two weeks after it airs? Yours truly is getting married. That's me on the week of that June twenty ninth, So we're going to be in a pre recording mode.

40:19 We will do the best we can to bring you normal programming here for SRTU, but it just won't be timely enough where we could sit down and preview and predict Forben and Door and Money the Bank for you. So sometimes life gets in the way. This is obviously something that I think all married men can relate to. I just cannot get away and go, hey, I'm going to record a podcast the week that we're married. That's just not going to work. So bear with me, folks, and we'll get it all with you here in these next couple of weeks, as we bring you regular SRTU programming, then before you know it, Doctor Trey, it'll be our seven hundred, seven hundredth episode. Isn't that mind boggling? We're in the seven hundred club almost, Yeah, this is this is six ninety six.

41:04 What's the seven hundred club? There's the old religious show with Pat Robertson back in the day called the seven hundred Club. Was it seven hundred or eight hundred? Yeah, that was seven hundred Club. Yeah. Okay, well there you go. So for the next hundred episodes, we just get religious. Uh, we just go straight into a seven mode from a way back in the idea was it wasn't that the character's name that the aply anti Hundertaker Dustin Rhodes character. No, no, no, Uh, Kevin Thorne's character, Mordecai Mordecaiven seven was Dustin Rhodes. And yeah, so Mordica, we go straight. Mordecai, we go straight. Uh, Ministry of Darkness. That's all we do is just recap any religious gimmick and wrestling history for one hundred shows. Yeah, top one hundred religious characters. So I guess we'll have to try to figure that out. How we're going to do that.

41:53 Um, all right, with that said, let's get a couple of plugs and sponsored out the way. If you down, we'll show every Thursday or Friday at Real Guy Radio dot com, Russell chatting, add on Twitter, and the store, Real to Show, iTunes feed, don't fork to rate, review, and subscribe to help us comment charts on iTunes. You can follow us individually on Twitter for myself at SRTU Jeff and for doctor Trey Franklin at the Doctor Trey. And of course don't forget to follow the show on Twitter at SRTU Podcast. With that being said, what is going on in the wonderful world of Doctor Trey Franklin this week? Well, like Jeff said, you can follow me on Twitter at the Doctor Trey. You ride me on Facebook and Instagram, Doctor Trey Franklin, Well, you know on Facebook, tak out sesay sneeze blush, you blush as we head into the religious error blush you I know, I may I make a religious joke and God makes me sneeze. Um, speaking of God, when you're got to check out Rocket Sea Championship Wrestling, where your stree was once known as the right hand of God. So there's a little fun for you as well. But second about we just had our first big showback set since wrestling comment I've been showcoming to Saturday really fun times. Yours truly kind of in a storyline right now because this evil group showed up in corrupted my estranged wife and took her to the dark side. She's sorry kind of there anyway, She's what even darker? So but fun times in some good story telling your Rocket City.

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