SummerSlam Recap & Review | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #756 – 8/8/24

0:00 It's still. Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition It's Surreal to Show episode number seven and fifty six for August eighth, twenty twenty four. This year w SummerSlam Recap and Review edition of ass R t Q. I am one aff the show. I Am Jeff Peking joined every single week from My coast on Only Not Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey Say Franklin is tearing up kindergarten. My friend.

0:44 Yeah, it's it's it's a joyous and sad occasion for me because, uh, I'm really. Proud of my dude, Like, uh, no problem, No, Fear went right to school yesterday, first day of kindergarten. Backpack fully loaded down, Guess to school. Other kids are crying. He's fine. Tears on dad's face. So this is this is day two as we record this, and everybody's gone. It's just me and the dog and the cats, and I'm bored. I miss my best friend. I'm like I was telling somebody yesterday, if you've ever seen Forrest Gump at the end of the movie, when when Forrest puts his son on the bus and the bus drives away and Forrest just stands there and waits for his kid to come home. That's kind of how I feel right now, Like my entire days, it's like, all right, when when when when a Samy get out of school? When do I gotta go pick him up?

1:42 Because I got nothing else going on, recovering from surgery and stuff until he gets home. Yeah, this is uh, this is definitely probably a weird time for a parent, right, I mean, this is uh. I'm not there yet. I saw four years and eleven months maybe ten months until that happens. But yeah, I mean I saw the photos you posted online yesterday and I'm like, man, I can't imagine what he's going through today. Yeah, it's it's it's weird for me because although I have you know, I have my oldest Carmen, I have my steps on. This is my first time doing this at forty seven years old.

2:23 So when my daughter started, when she started school, she was going through homeschooling, and my ex wife and I have separated. When I when I'm in my current wife, my stepson was already in second and third grade. So this is my first foray into this universe. And I thought I'd be like, that'd be cool cooler about it but uh no, Like we got to school and you can walk them to class. You can walk them to the classroom. We sit there, there's some poor little boys sitting in front of the door crying because his mom and dad had just left. And Sammy's just like look at him, like, what's up with you? Man? Like why are you crying? And Mom and I are there and Mom kneels down. I'mm a hugget a kiss, and the teacher goes, hey, do you guys want to get a picture? Before you know? He goes in the classroom and we look over and Sammy like, hey, man, you want to get picture. He's like, nope, I'm good.

3:18 Wow walked into class and I was like all right. And so Mom and I both as we were walking out through tears coming to her eyes, and uh yeah. It's very emotional because for both of us, this is the last kid we're going to have that goes to kindergarten. And we got in the car to leave, and I looked at I said, well, this is the last one for us, but guess what's gonna happen. She goes what I said, when the grandkids come, I'm doing this again with the grandkids. So I don't I don't know where they're going to be at, but I'm gonna be there for first day of kindergarten for the grand kid. So to tie it all line of professional wrestling in summer Stam weekend, was your reaction of sadness one that was more Rhea Ripley or more Damian Priest.

3:59 Oh that's ooh, well, see Dami was more betrayal. They're both betrayal. So I don't know if they really tie into it. It's more like. Did your Mascar run like like Rhea a little bit? To me, it would be more like, you know, when Ray and Dominic had their first tag match at WrestleMania, feeling like Ray like, look at where my kids at. How proud you would be like that kind of moment, just choked up, just super happy and proud of seeing Then when you get a note from the teacher every day one they're like, Sammy Franklin is such a sweetheart, can't wait to see how much he grows this year.

4:42 And I took that more mental growth in our physical growth, because Lord knows, I don't need to get other kids older than me. Like just makes you really proud to be thinking like, Okay, I've created a really good. Person so far. Interesting you you tied it back to a very good professional arrest lane analogy there. I like the team match from WrestleMania. It's you and Sammy and your jackets, paying homage to Eddie Guerrero and his former tag team partner and doing the damn thing for the first day of kindergarten. So I'm sure at some point we will have a custody of Sammy Franklin ladder match at some point in my wrestling career. So and that's Summer flam.

5:27 Esque as well. There you go, There you go, all tied in there, doctor Trey dropping his son off, young Sammy Franklin, our Royal Rumble analysts. He's like our Melchiper junior to the NFL Draft, he would be our Royal Rumble analyst, and now he is. He's in kindergarten. I'm hopeful Doctor Trey that come Royal Rumble like that. He doesn't Hollywood US now, like he's still okay with doing the Royal Rumble predictions like he's done every year with his toys. Well, he did get really excited on Monday, or was Tuesday. Tuesday we went to the store and he had kind of not been picking WW wrestlers for his new toys for a little bit. Uh, but he came across a million Dollar Man action figure and picked it out.

6:13 Uh. So because he had the it was the green suited one with the money symbols on it. He got really excited about it. Uh And I did too, because Debiosis one of the first guys I ever saw wrestle in person when I was about Sammy's age. So, uh, you know, I think he's adding to his collection and preparation for the Royal Rumbles so he could do more prognostication. Tuned that That is not something I've read right now where the million Dollar Man ted TOBIASI could potentially win the Royal Rumble. Yeah, I mean money talks. I mean everybody's got a price, and so apparently, you know, I mean obviously Vince had a price because he we sold WW to TKO. So I mean, if if the million Dollar Man showed up and the money was right, I'm sure Adam Pierceky dropped him in at number thirty and just see the chips fall.

6:56 It's so funny that, like thirty years later that the term million dollar man is like, I guess what would have been like the thousand dollars man back in the eighties at this point because people are just we're not talking millions anymore. We're in the billions with a bee. So there you go. Lots going on in the world outside of SRTU here on this week's edition. My son not in kindergarten. He's he's sleeping somewhere right now, hopefully and not screaming. I'm looking for the day where he makes in an appearance on the show verbally by just yelling whether it's a typer change or he's hungry. So stay tuned for that. But let's get into SummerSlam. Doctor Trey. He actually watched it with me for a little bit, sat down, watched it for a little bit. Then he got fussy. He got really upset when the whole Ria Live Morgan dominic stuff went down, and then he went to bed pretty quickly after that. He just couldn't take it anymore. So let's getting the SummerSlam recap review this past Saturday from Cleveland Brown Stadium in Cleveland, Ohio. The first match here Live Morgan defeats Rheo Ripley to retain the Women's World Championship. We both had Live Morgan in this one. Dom has finally turned on Rihada Ripley and a line was Live Morgan after an incredible build over the last several months. This was a really good match, and I enjoyed how liv Morgan was booked in this match prior to Dom's interference. I liked that the interference that led to the pin wasn't completely known at the time if it was accidental or purposely done until they had Dom pick up Live for the kiss. Great stuff here in the build and the actual match itself. I really enjoy this one is Live Morgan defeat Reader Ripley,

8:27 Doctor Trey. Yeah. I really liked it on two parts. A. You know, it kind of solidified Rhea as a babyface because you don't you don't do the lethal weapon relocate the shoulder for a heel, you do that for a badass baby face, and we kind of saw that twice in the match. I also liked it because the show once again lives a main eventor like lives super good in the ring. She can tell a story, her facials are phenomenal, so just really really kill her. Opening match between two. I mean this is you know, you have a big powerhouse and a one hundred and ten pound woman going at it, and you have a compelling matchup.

9:09 So it was a good storytelling, good end, and we. Had a heel turn even more heel, which is something you really don't see a professional wrestling, So it was great for everybody involved there. Yeah. I really enjoyed this one. It was a great way to kick off the show. And this is what we discussed, right Doctor Trey. We felt that one of the two Judgment Day matches was more than likely going to kick off the show, and we felt that if Cody, which we'll get to you later on, and Solo we're closing the show, that there would be a bigger domino piece to fall. Once I saw this take place and like, okay, we're going to see that Judgment Day implosion taking shape here at SummerSlam. Yeah, and even the payoff on Monday was really well don which I'm sure we'll get to a little bit later, but yeah, it kind of laid out almost exactly like we kind of thought it was, with you have the first Judgment Day turn leading into the implosion later on.

10:02 So yeah, it although we predicted it. It was still good storytelling and to see it come to fruition on TV was really satisfying. And what I really liked about this is they didn't ignore the behind the scenes stuff with a Judgment Day. So you have in between I think this match and the next one on which was Brown Breaker and Sammy Zain, you have Damien Priest going into the Judgment Day locker room being like what the hell was that about? I think it was right after this match. It may have been after the Intercomital title match, but it was definitely early on the show. Did Finn know about this? JD and Carlito We're gonna go look for domb Nobody could get a hold of dumb. So you still had this like quasi, you know, how is Damien taking this news?

10:44 How is the Judgment Day taking this news? And I really really appreciated w creative doing that. Doubt true because I think that helped further along the storyline taking place within the show. Yeah, and not to mention, it also helped set up Damien's match with Gunther where like Finn's like, look, I'll handle this. You need to focus on your match. I know you said you don't need me, but if you do, I'll be there for you that it does. So it's still kind of foreshadowed there, but like you said, it's one of those little small things in wrestling, and you know this is one of things to be knock aw about. Is something just happened in the ring. When you go back stage, don't ignore it. Tie it all together and create your storyline. So like, even though, like I said earlier, like we kind of knew, like you and I had an idea of how the show is going to play out, it's still great storytelling to see it actually play out on TV the way it should.

11:35 The next match, who was bron Breaker defeating Sammy's Ain to win the WI Interccount Little Championship. We both had bron Breaker and this one putting the town on Braun was the right calls. Braun needs this title to elevate his career in a time for Sammy to enter the main event picture, as he is someone I could see winning the world. They have a wait championship over the next six to twelve months, I would say right now an early favorite for me to potentially win the Royal Rumbull in twenty twenty five. Going back to Young Sammy Franklin discussion earlier on the show, The biggest surprise here was how short this match was. To me, I would love to see an Intercontinental title picture led by bron Breaker and Ely dragging off for the rest of the year moving forward. There have been kind of inklings that that may be the case onto the time part. It later was revealed, I think maybe from Frightful Select a couple of days later, that this match had ten minutes a LOTT and it went shorter than the ten minutes, which is rare in wrestling. So I don't know what was going on there from the timing sense of things, but bron Breaker, as you knew Intercontinental Champion Doctor Try.

12:30 Yeah, a little surprising on the time because the previous pla their match was much longer and a little more you know, build for both guys, and this one kind of I don't It wasn't squashous, but it was just very very quick. I kind of want to see a little bit more, especially if you're going to move Sammy on to something else, whether it's the Judgment day stuff or into the main event title picture. I honestly was surprised that he wasn't Dump's challenger for Germany coming up, But yeah, I. Just felt like it was a little short, a little rushed. Great because he says a really good Frankensteiner though on that match, So just it was good, but it could have been much better. It's definitely not one of the better matchups they've had.

13:12 Agreed, No, the Money in the Bank match was much better than what we saw at SummerSlam over the weekend. I really enjoyed that one, and I like the back and forth. This was just Braun basically dominating Samy's Ain, which was really surprising. But again, I think it's one of those things where it's like, this is we're taking Sammy out of the upper mid card, mid card however you want to look at it, and we need to elevate him now to the main event title picture. Plus, I think Sammy plays a role in what we see at the end of the show with the Cody Rhodes solo Soakoa match, because I think what you're seeing on Raw take place with the interactions with Jay Usso and Sammy Zain is part of a longer term play as well, and their potential roles heading here into the rest of twenty twenty four. Next match, Doctor Trey is La Knight defeating Logan Paul to win the w United States Championship.

14:00 Logan Pol you at La Night. It was time for La Night to be crowning Singles Champion WI and it was time for Logan Pol to drop the United States Championship as well. Fun back and forth match that had some really good chemistry between these two guys. I would love to see at La Night Logan Paul rematch, but I wonder if this means we will see Logan off at WE Television for a bit. The I hate to use the word botched because they ended up saving it as a top rope brainbuster, which is absurd to say out loud. But the superplex that wasn't a superplex that was a brainbuster, I guess actually shook up Logan Paul a bit that I watched it in a livetime scare the crap out of me as it was happening, Like it was one of those like you couldn't watch it, but you had to watch it to see what happened.

14:44 This was a good one. Doctor Trey La Night finally gets to each Singles Championship in wa Man. We got an MJ MGK sighting, which I don't think we've seen him since he got power bombed off the stage. Am I wrong? On that? Was that the first? I think this was the first time since the whole Kevin Owen stuff. Yeah, I was. I was thrilled the MGK was back, and so was the crowd. They would nut not really. I was just like, wow, okay, so we're just gonna pull out every random person? Okay, yeah, great? But uh yeah it was. It was a fine match and there, like, the chemistry was pretty solid. They had their good moments. The top rope super flex slash, Brainbuster slash, I don't know, one of the few times we've seen maybe a misstep by Logan Paul in his young career. Then the Raymisterio spot from a was a rest snow of a Survivor series time somewhere there. But yeah, I mean he's gonna have a couple of missteps here and there, but overall, like solid US title run and and potentially depending on how this whole Bloodline thing shakes out, I mean, he could be one of the people in line that challenged Cody once solo and the Bloodline transition off to somebody else.

15:55 Cody needs challengers, and they already had one good match, and it would make sense to put him back into that pictures. So good for in great for Alla Night, because this was a make or break for me. I think you heard Corey Graves. Mentioned it on the on the team that you know he's had all this momentum for the better part of a year and a half. If they didn't strike now, I didn't think they were going to do it. So it was gonna see them playing pull the trigger and put a title on LA nine. Next match here is Nia Jacks defeeding Bailey to win the W Women's Championship. We both had Bailey in this one. This puts an end to an unfortunately underwhelming title run for Bailey, as Nia Jacks, who has had some really good creative and billed as of late, is the new w Women's Champion. Ni holding the title could potentially save Bailey's twenty twenty fourth They decide to still have her be the babyface and I a seal character moving forward.

16:45 The underwhelming run for Bailey is totally not her fault. The creative just hasn't been there, and I wonder if fans had a tough time connecting with this version of Bailey turning babyface after her really really good heel run. I still think that hugger Bailey should return once she turned baby face, but that's just me. Nia is the new WA Women's Champion. They tease a cash in to distract Bailey, which was really good match creative stuff as well. Your thoughts here, doctor Trey's nay Jack's is your new women's champ. So we've been doing this show for a very long time, and Naya has been one of my most heavily criticized performers during this run, but the last this second run of hers, has been so good. And I'm going to point out where I actually enjoy watching Naya in the ring.

17:33 There are still moments where it feels like, Okay, that might be a little dangerous, but the stuff when she's talking trash in the ring is so good. You know, like there's a spot in there where she was just hammering on Bailey and yelling out, you know, calling me reckless, calling me dangerous, like all those things like that. I really enjoy that. And so to me, this is the right move for them because you have the Tiffany characters kind of the underling. This is in a way kind of setting have like the Tony Storm Mariah May stuff that we saw in aw where you have a champion with an underling. At some point, the underling has a reason to turn on you know, her, her leege, her person that she's following.

18:16 So I'm really anxious to see how well this plays out. And you know, Hugger Bailey, uh would be great. And we saw tassels on Bailey's outfit and I don't know if you've known that when she's coming downs like she's got the little streamer tassels going on. We haven't really seen that since the Hugger days. So maybe this is a little foreshadowing that eventually we will. Get more of the full blowed old school Bailey babyface character. Yeah, it's it's been. It's been a disappointing run. It's it's unfortunate. She's very, very likable, a great in ring worker, one of our favorite wrestlers we've covered here in the history of the podcast. I just think it was a really hard transition Doctor Trevor people to accept that heel character of Bailey as a babyface. It's it just felt like it never really transitioned well from turning her heel back to babyface. I would have liked to see in a little bit more here, And I think that Hugger Bailey era is ones that the fans are kind of clamoring for because it's been like five years at this point.

19:13 Yeah, I mean, it's really hard to take somebody who was so despised and turned them babyface even though they did the beat down angle, but the character of Bailey didn't really change. It was still basically the same music, her still calling herself a role model. It didn't really change it all. So it's really hard for fans to go, oh, I really like her now she's changed when she didn't really change it all. So it's kind of hard to really get that audience behind you in that role. Yeah, I totally agree. It was the character never really did anything that was like, I I'm sorry for everything that I did. I mean, she was such a good heel character during that five year run almost that it was like, I think she needed to mend a couple of fences because she was so damn good with the fan base. And it really occurred because the fans want her to be Babyface. It's just the character was such a really good heel. Next match here is Drew McIntire defeating cmpunk with Seth Freakin Rollins a special guest referee.

20:11 We both had Drew McIntyre the fact that a friendship bracelet with his wife and the dog's name on it truly costs cmpunk. This match was interesting booking. I can partially get behind that due to symbolism, and I can partially get behind it being totally ridiculous as well. I really like how the an announcers pumped up that Seampunk's anger basically got in the wave and winning the match. I had high expectations for this match, and I feel like the execution may have felt a little flat. This has been my favorite w FU this year so far, and I was hoping for a little more on Saturday night. This did not mean it was a bad match by any means. I was just hoping for a holy shit, that was a great, that was great moment and they and instead focused a lot on a friendship bracelet. And I know Triple H called this match a masterpiece. Again, there's symbolism, but there I just have a tough time as a thirty eight year old male to get behind the symbolism, meaning thoughts of this friendship bracelet being the cause of so much angst and anger between the two of them, Doctor Trey. It is borderline silly, but it's also borderline makes sense. It's a very weird spot for me as a fan of be In. So that's where I'm standing on a theentire thing. Your thoughts on this one, Yeah, it's real.

21:24 Like so the match itself, everything leading up to the finish. I enjoyed the match. I mean, this is probably the best Punk has looked in quite some time. I mean this is his first match back, and you know what, nine months, ten months, I can't remember how long it's been since. He's actually been in WW since he left the aw but he looked really good in this match. The symbolism behind the friendship bracelet, as you as you call it, I love it because Larry may be the most divisive dog in the history of modern sports. I mean he literally cause this owner to basically kind of get fired for one job, and now he causes owner a match at SummerSlam because of how much his owner loves him. So Larry maybe not be the best dog in the world or at at the very least the worst good luck charm or maybe the worst man's best friend in quite some time. I get it on the sense of the way it played out, because I thought it was very clever how they did it, how the bracelet came off. Seth being the ref just does what the ref does and picks it up and instead of just tossing it to.

22:33 The corner, put it on. And because of everything that had let into it before, with Seth saying I hate you, I hate you, calling you down the middle, and a couple other things going on the match, when he sees it on the wrist, he's like, oh crap, you're actually with Drew or you're siding with Drew against him. So I kind of understood the simpleness, but you're absolutely right as a grown ass man to kind of like, go, this whole match ended over this bracelet. You know, it is what it is. You can also blame Triple H because if your no is Triple H and I do the same thing, where's a lot of bracelets. So maybe that was his kind of thing, like I love my bracelet. So it makes a lot of sense that this could cost somebody a match of SummerSlam. It is a weird way to kind of end this match, but I'm excited for what happened on Raw with the interactions leading into so it's like, Okay, we might get a rerun of this and then sets off on something else now to to kind of take him out of the picture. So maybe the next match they'll just do the bracelet on a pole match that we're all clamoring for.

23:37 Yeah, it's it's a really it's a really tough thing for a guy my age to be like, oh my god, put that bracelet down, you son of a bitch. Like I can find I could be relatable to. This if it was a wedding ring, you know, which I think we've seen that done before. But if it was the wedding ring, like that would have a little more impact on you, though, could I mean, because you're a married man, I'm a married man. You and I both have dogs that we absolutely love. We just don't have bracelets with our wife and dog's name on it. But you know, if somebody stole your wedding ring, was taunting you at the wedding ring, that would be a little more impactful, right. Well, you know what I thought, I agree with what you're saying, I'll answer that part. Yes, I think that would be more relatable to most people than the friendship bracelet, I will say. And this kind of maybe leads us onto where aj Lee's current thoughts on a reigniting her wrestling career is. I think some sort of segment leading into this where you know, Punk's in the ring, the classic w segment, punks in the ring kind of promo, and they cut via satellite or you know, Drew McIntyre's on his cell phone facetiming into w WEE or whatever, and he's entering the home apartment wherever seem Punk and aj Lee live in Chicago, Illinois. And that right there, you've got Larry in the in the in the mix, You've got aj Lee in the mix, and you've got like this really cool, subtle way of welcoming her back to WE Television for the first time in nearly ten years to help promote this storyline. And I thought that

25:08 would have been a little bit more impactful. And maybe that's where I get behind it, because the fact that you don't see aj Lee and you don't see Larry involved in storyline is it's a little bit strange. I mean, they don't even run vignettes. It's just the friendship bracelet's the only thing. And it's like crazy to me that that's like what's driving so much to anger for seeing Punk of all people. It's a little bit of one thing we used to knock aw for, which was they would run promos on being or they would run stuff on being the Elite and put it on and then go to the angle on television and people like us that didn't watch that show, like, I don't really get this. In a lot of ways, they're kind of banking on the hardcore wrestling fans to hey know who aj Lee is be understand the relationship of seeing Punk and his dog to really get this over because you know, for a lot of that maybe don't know all the history. They're just like it's a bracelet at about a guy's wife and his dog, and it's this much animosity, Like it is crazy. But I don't know if they can go the well with you know, Drew breaking into the house, because we've seen that with you know, Seth and Edge. We saw that with Dexter Loomis in the Mint and this just Oronton.

26:19 We saw with Samoa with Joe and AJ you know, so like we see him like the only. Thing I could think of AJ styles in La Night. Yeah, if you want to go deep down the rabbit hole, maybe uh drew back and tire feeds Larry to see him Punk. Oh God, big boss man, I'll snow all the greatest feuds in the world of professional wrestling. Yeah. I don't know. Match was good again, I just thought so much being pertained to this friendship brace that was like obsurred to me. However, after SummerSlam, I found it very funny. I think the actual person who so an actual fan, gave this friendship bracelet to see him Punk, and I think either like a meet and greet during WrestleMania weekend or something along those lines. There's there's the picture out there, and I think she tweeted for some reason Slim Jim because that's my go to is. I'm almost positive she tweeted Slim Jim. I hope, well, I actually, I also hope I'm wrong in this looking for like some sort of compensation to be involved, Like the reason why this is this feud taking place is because of her friendship bracelet. And I found that funny. I mean, if I were her, I would be capitalizing on this and selling them on Etsy like like money makers right now.

27:29 But I had no idea that an actual fan made this friendship bracelet for her for cmpunk, So I found that incredibly funny as well. Yeah, I didn't know that either, but it reminds me of. Kyle Yuex wife that made a couple of jackets and then all of a sudden it took off her in the NFL playoffs last year, and now she has a whole business out of it, which then allowed the Niners to cut his pay. Oh perfect, I mean that's that's typical for businesses. So yeah, there you go, Dream mcintar cmpunk. I think we've kind of run that one in the ground. Two guys in their older ages of life having a tough time wrapping their heads around the friendship bracelet being the reason why there was so much animosity and angs during this match.

28:11 Next match, Year has gun through defeating Damien Priest to win the World of Weight Championship. We both had gone through in this one. The Junk to Day implosion has finally happened as Finn Baler turns on Damian Priest. The WrestleMania fifteen scenario I discussed on last week's podcast, took place on Saturday Night All Bit with some questions still love to be asked coming out of the show. The final ten minutes of this match was fun and compelling. The slap test was insane or slapfesticscas who was insane Between Gunthor and Priest. Go Through becoming a World champion WWE has been long overdue, and I expect this to be a pretty decent run at the top of the World of Weight Championship. We'll get into that a little bit more later on the show, but Gone Through defeats Damien Priest. Finn Balor turns on Damien Doctor Try. Yeah. I actually really enjoyed this match, and part of it was the growth of Damien Priest and did the character development is facials Also just size wise, I'm looking at this guy in the ring, I'm like, man, I sometimes you forget how big he is at times because he was bigger than Gunther and you go back to those NXTQUK days and Guther looked like it. Guncher looked like a monster, and you're like, damn, Damian Priest is a legit, like six ' eighth orderline three hundred pounders. So this match is overall was it was really good. The ending was good.

29:20 They just this to match the media Like It's not Match of the Year candidate, but just if. You're looking for like what a good solid screw job finish match should be, this is like the prototype. It was legitimizing a guy as a baby face getting another guy over as a heel. The betrayal, the animosity, I mean, that moment when he dove through the ropes and grabbed fin By the throat was really good. The only thing, my only knock on it was like fin still with his back to Damien for almost too long selling the turn. I think he thought the fish was coming a little bit quicker than that. But outside of that, man, this was just a really really solid world title match with a screw job finish.

30:03 Yeah. Great facials by Finn Balen this one as well. That told the hell of a lot of story, which he's always been very very good with that. So more on the Judgment Day implosion later on here in the podcast. Let's get to the next match here. Doctor Trying was the main event. Cody Rhodes defeats Sosikoa to retain the m speed a w Championship in a blood Line rules match that was announced on Friday's addition to Smackdann conductor Trayner recorded Cody Rhodes was the pick that we both had in this match. The best worst thing WWE did was make this a Bloodline rules match. The reason why I say this is because I love the Wrestlemanting forty Bloodline rules match in the Summer Slam. Bloodline rules match immediately had some massive shoes to fill, which they obviously did not do due to the lack of substantial cameos like the Wrestlemanting forty match had. However, once the Bloodline rules stipulation was announced on SmackDown, I knew that Roman Rangs was coming back, and what a return it was.

30:54 The Roman Reigns return was a lot of fun, and him helping Cody was a great win. Was a great moment. Also, shout out to w foreving Jacob Fatu sell an ankle leg injury because that made sense as to why he couldn't defend Solo from Roman Reins. I know there's been reports out there that it was legitimate and not legitimate, and that was the plan all along. And they did that because they don't want Jacob Fattou and Roman Rains to touch right now, and they want to save that for down the line. Where Cody goes from here is going to be very interesting. I feel like they've been teasing a match feud with Randy Orton for some time. But where the bloodline solo so Coo of Roman Rains goes from here, it will be a lot of fun and has me excited for a new chapter. If I had anything about this that I felt like was a bit off, Doctor Trey Is and I had tweeted this out earlier this week as well. If they were going to change Roman Reigns's music, they should have saved it for Friday's edition and SmackDown and had them come out to his old now old music at SummerSlam, because I think, because this is how I felt, I think there was a little bit of confusion as if this was was this going to be Roman Reigns, And if it wasn't for the head of the table graphic all over the place the Roman Reigns out of the table graphic, I would have never known if he was coming back. So I felt like they kind of missed it. Was a very very very good pop. I felt like it could have been a massive, so much bigger pop if it was the now old Roman Reigns music. Nonetheless, Cody Roads defeat Sela Soakoa and the original Tribal Chief is back.

32:29 Yeah. So I like this match for most of it. The only thing I didn't like is once we got into I mean, because they went probably with fifteen minutes before anybody got involved, fifteen almost twenty minutes for anybody got involved in this match. It is that once people got involved, Solo really didn't do much and basically kind of stayed down for most that finished with their way kind of getting coming in getting. Involved, which I thought made him look a little week. At least, Roman was still kind of getting up during his match. But then once again, that's who's been doing this for fifteen years versus a guy that's really in his first May Solo main event. No pun intended. You're right on the Roman thing.

33:11 The other thing I didn't like about it was maybe don't have Solo talk trash about Roman leading into the match, and then when Roman comes out, then he has that moment in the ring where Solo's standing there and Cody's standing there, and then he makes the move on Solo. When he rushed in and Solo fed right to him, You're like, oh, okay, this is where we're going that having that momentary pause where Roman, you know, you're kind of questioning who's he going after? Is it going to be Cody or Solo? I think could have made it even more impactful and made that pop on the first ram punch even bigger. But all in all, I am excited for where this goes with Roman and maybe the og blood line, the new blood line. We love you and I are old school, we love faction warfare like this. I mean, this is the right up our alley. And it does kind of leave a question, and once again with Cody is like, Okay, we understand he's the face of the company, but he's continuously being overshadowed by whatever Roman's doing.

34:16 How do you correct? How do you course correct? If you want Cody to be the face of the company and he's being overshadowed by Romans, especially if they'll still end up on SmackDown, Cody's continually going to be overshadowed by whatever Roman the bloodline do. So that does make me a little nervous for the direction of Cody Road. Cody needs some good creative right now. I agree with you, he needs some really good, impactful creative because there's so many different, really good feuds that are going on in Wa right now that he It's like it's exposing the creative there. And maybe this is a SmackDown thing because I thought the Bailey and Iya Jack's build was not that great and it did not get a lot of attention going into the pay per view. I felt less comparable to the others. The raw feuds were getting a lot more attention and a lot more care for me as a fan. I mean, Real Live is a better feud right now than anything Cody's been involved with. The gun thir Damian Priest obviously drew and see him Punk was much better, you know, gun Thor and Randy Orton.

35:19 I mean, he needs something right now that gets him into it. And I had felt like, and I said in my response to this was I wrote this pre Randy Orton challenging gun there to bash of Berlin, which, by the way, I think was really smart on W's part to do that, based on the way that that King of the Ring match took place. It just comes off as as strange that he doesn't have anything like emotionally encapsulating right now, and I thought that's where they could go with Randy Orton, and I just felt like they would been teasing that a little bit here and there. There's been a couple of seeds planted, but he needs he needs substantial heal, not sue you positioned. You know, you were saying, maybe it's it's logan, Paul, possibly we've we've been there, done that, but but maybe a betrayal of the sense of Randy Orton is one that is necessary as well. The Cody Rhades effect right now is it's interesting. I mean, he's a guy that is in, you know, Wrestler of the Year conversation, but I don't know, it's it's he's kind of suffering from we want this guy to be the world champion. Then when he's world champion, it's either bad creative or the fans don't care as much, or a mixture of both. And I think he's deal with both right now. I think there's a mixture of both.

36:35 He is definitely the face of the company. I disagree with you there. I think Cody is the face of the company. He is the baby face, he is the John Cena. I just think that he's kind of slipping a little bit with the adult fans. Yeah well, I mean, I'm not disagree with him being the face of the company because he's everywhere, But in this situation with Roman returning it, Roman's the top guy. Roman's the the goat of all things right now, and he's only been away for five months. So it wasn't like this is not the John Cena coming in part time role. Where's he's here for three months, gone for nine or ten or twelve and then back. You know, he's not that part time yet. It just makes you nerus because they've spent so much time building up the New blood Line and building up, you know, all that they really haven't built up anybody else on that brand as a top heel, like somebody getting hot to potentially challenge Cody, because all their energy has been focused on building up the New blood Line.

37:36 That's you. I was hoping for a Randy thing. My only my issue with Randy challenging Gunther was the last time we saw Randy he was taken out by the New blood Line. So wouldn't that Randy Orton wants some revenge on that new blood line or blamed Cody for being taken out. Instead, they transition him over to challenging Gunther, which you could have slit Sammy into that spot based on him winning at WrestleMania and had Randy turn on Cody, or have Randy challenge Cody just straight. Up you know for that title. I mean that there's there's just not This is one thing that you and I talk about with NXT a lot, is they kind of go in cycles where one side, like the men's division be really hot, but the women's divisions down tag teams in the middle. It feels like with with On SmackDown, they just haven't built up anybody else underneath the bloodline to be a viable challenger for Cody heading into you know, Survivor series season.

38:35 Basically, That's what I was gonna ask you in regards to the Randy thing, is if they do the Randy direction, would you be down with just like a straight up respect I want to get back in the world title picture, No real animosity, just a respectful clash between two men. I don't know, well, I mean it's hard, it's hard to dislike Randy. Now he's almost in that where it's like, no matter what he does, people going to cheer. For me because he's rady. He could do no wrong. I agree with you. So it's it's tricky. And that's where I said, they just you know, you have the younger guys like the Carmelo, Hayes and some of those other guys they've you know, put on SmackDown and you know, the Santos Escobar and guys like that, but they just haven't built them up, like Carmelo and Cody had a really great match when Carmelo came on the main roster.

39:22 But there's nothing. I mean, it feels like a huge drop off from where let's let's say Solo and Logan or your top two heels on SmackDown. It's a huge drop to where you get to like number three or four. So we're on Raw, it's a little more consistent throughout the entire show. I mean, hell, they just made Bronton Reed a borderline made event guy on Raw Monday Night because of one interaction with Seth wrong. And we need somebody to kind of do the same thing for Cody but also build some credibility up to make him feel like a viable threat to the world title. Let me pause that right there, because I think this could bleed into the next all pun in ten and bleed into the next top I want to talk about in regards to the bloodline as well, because I do think Cody potentially plays a role here. Let's get our paperview prediction out of the way. I went five and two, Doctrey went six and one. I'm ninety two and twenty three in the year doct tray eighty four and thirty one Event night and excuse me, event night, event rating and Match of the Night. I gave SummerSlam a four point three out of five, and I gave my Match the Night to live Morgan Rea Ripley, what say you, doctor Trey?

40:24 I was right there with you as a four point three and I had Reha live at my Match in the night as well. Wow, you have it as Match the Night, even though you said Guntherr and Damian Priest was matched the Year candidate, it was. It was the betrayal, the betrayal to kick off the show leading the word like You're like, okay, this is gonna be a fun night. This is gonna be like that match was just great storytelling as well, Like it was really for me, it was one A and one B. I just like give them the girl some credit every now and then there you go, there you go. So let's get into here. How do you want to see the Roman Range bloodline storyline play out? Now? I think where the Cody aspect plays into this. I would not be surprised right now if at Bash in Berlin, Doctor Trey, we get a tag team match of Cody Roads and Roman Reigns together taking on Solo Sokoa and let's say Tomatunka. I don't think Jacoba two. I think they're gonna leave him off of this entire thing. And you get that match at Bash of Berlin, and maybe that is where the next member of the New bloodline comes in, whether it be Hiccoleo who's been rumored to signed with w w W. I think I think maybe like Jacob Fattou's brother that is wrestles in GCW. I don't know him well. Forgive me if I if I have the lineage here or name here incorrect, but I could see the bill for the next couple of months, which I think adds to your concern of Cody as well.

41:50 I could see Cody Rhoads and Roman Reigns working together here, which would be intriguing depending on the execution going forward. Yeah, I think that is a routher to go. One of the things that you years ago, I said this, one of the things I used to miss, uh, that events kind of got away from the last eight to ten years of w W was back when as a kid, you'd have these weird tag matches main event pay per views, and we saw it. A little bit of where we had WrestleMania. Yeah. And then we also had you know, Roman and Solo against Kevin Sammy and won the pay per views last year as well. I think that was Crown Jewel Crown Jewel, and so.

42:32 They have kind of gotten back to that where you could have Cody and Roman team up. So like Mon like Friday, I'd love to see you know, Roman come out confront Solo. There's a beatdown Cody makes to say, but there's still that tension there leading to you know, a tag match at you know Class or Bash of Berlin. Well the enemy of my enemy, right, Yeah. And but there's those uncomfortable betfellows too, and you know, like you don't know if Roman's coming for the title. That was that that one of the things great things about that match at the end, there was the way Cody was looking at Roman. You could tell Roman still wants his title. Cody doesn't trust him even though what he's you know, he just kind of helped him out.

43:15 So there's still that tension there going forth. I had loved also if SmackDown kicked off with actually solo ring and that Paul Hayman comes out. But I don't think we're gonna see Paul for a little bit. I think I think he's back. I think I think he's back. I disagree with you. I think Paul makes an appearance here. I mean, I'm sure he will be back, but I mean to me, no. On this Friday's edition, I think, oh. Okay, that's the case. Thing great because one of the things Romans said at the Hall of Fame speech for Paul Hayman was you would not see Roman reigns without Paul Hayman. But then maybe also bash Berlin, we get the return of Jimmy Usso to help save Cody and Roman from a beat down post match, regardless of the outcome. But you know, then you can get the Jimmy factor involved into.

43:59 It as well. I think that maybe if Cody is involved in this, he is the lynchpin that helps get Sammy, Zaye and Jay usso on board with the OG bloodline. I'm under the belief Doctor Trey that at a Survivor Series wargame that was just announced in Vancouver or late November, I think November thirty, if that, that main event will be the current or the bloodline two point zero Solo Soka's bloodline and the OG version of the bloodline. And I think Jimmy comes back soon, and maybe Cody's the one that says like, hey, you know, it goes to you know, Jay and Sammy, like you got to talk to Jimmy, you got to talk to Roman. Like this is where maybe Paul Haman gets evolved. I think that where this current chapter is right now, and maybe that's where Cody plays a role into it, which is strange because he's still the world champion, But maybe this is how like Roman is on this forgiveness tour in a way. But everybody what's funny is that they despite it being a negative, now everybody is like referring to him as the try chief and the head of the table all that stuff.

45:03 I think that's where we get to I think Meltzer said this week as well in the Wrestling Reserver newsletter that he is under belief one of the working plans is reportedly that Solo So co versus Roman Reigns takes place at WrestleMania. Right now, I would be surprised by that because I think they get to that earlier than WrestleMania. But maybe the Rock plays some sort of role in this as well. But I think in the short term, in the next three months, if we're looking at this quarterly Doctor Trey, I feel like the Roman Reigns Bloodline storyline plays out where Jimmy returns to be sided with Roman Reigns, Jay and Sammy get on board to be sided with Roman Reigns, and we get to that Survivor Series wargame match in late November Bloodline versus Bloodline.

45:46 So are you still thinking as being four on four? We have the last one's been The last one was just five on five. Right, I thought there was We've We've done one that was four and four, We've done one that's five on five. What was Damian Finn Dominic, JD. Drew McIntyre was five on five and I think the one prior to that was four on four. So if we do five on five, so I think Hickeleo is coming soon to w W, so that would be five. If you did solo Jacob Tomatunga tungaloa Hiccalo, that's five. I think you do og bloodline with those four, Jay, Sammy, Roman and Jimmy, and I think the big build up is Cody Rhodes to be that fifth and maybe at that same pay per view there is some sort of Rock return and that is what starts carrying us into the next phase of w W, which leads us into Royal Rubble WrestleMania season, which I think Cody versus Rock is taking place at WrestleMania next year, So maybe Cody is that fifth member Doctor Trey.

46:52 Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. But then you know, with the Roman or the Rock factor comes in, It's like, maybe we do Solo and Roman at Royal Rumble and then you get either Rock and Cody and Wrestleming, or you get Rock and Roman at Wrestling, Because maybe you get Rock and Cody at Rumble like, we don't know how more mania is because if you have to do Rock and Roman at some point, and Rock's getting older, Roman's getting older, you have to pay it off sooner rather than later, I would think, because I don't know how much. I mean, as much as you and I love the Bloodline story and the saga and the family dynamics, this whole thing two year drawout, I don't know if they can go two years.

47:35 I mean, that's that seems really really long. Adding you to the three years that's already gone, that'd be a five six year storyline for the Bloodline. That would be really impressive that they can actually pull it out and keep our interest that entire time. Yeah. No, I agree, and I'm interested. I mean, I feel like they are really getting me interested in everything that's going on with with w WI in the Bloodline right now, So I think it can go a lot of their diferent ways. It's really intriguing. I'm excited to see the promo on Friday's edition of SmackDown. I think Roman opens the show. I think that's the right way to go. If he doesn't open, obviously he's closing, But I'd rather have Roman have the open because he is free reign at that point and he is not bar to any potential time constraints in executing that ankle. So yeah, I think short term, we're getting to Survivor series war games, and I agree with you. I don't think that it's out of the possibility that Roman solos at Royal Rumble, Rock Cody's at Royal Rumble and then you have those guys.

48:38 You know, now would be the time to do Roman and Rock at WrestleMania. I think people would care about it. But yeah, I mean it's really well executed stuff. The Bloodline Dog Trey. The Bloodline may go down overall as the greatest storyline in professional wrestling history. I think in my time as a Rustling fan, Austin McMahon is definitely like a top one for me. I would say nWo is up there, but as time has gone on, you've kind of seen a lot of holes in the nWo stuff. But this bloodline, I think is some of the most captivating, cinematic professional wrestling storylines I've ever seen in my life.

49:20 So I think I think there's a lot of potential there and I'm excited for it as we move forward. Yeah, for me, I'm a little bit older. I gotta throw in. So for me, it was always von. Erics, freebirds, ah, true true, true. Horseman versus Dusty and whoever Dusty ed with, and whether it was Staying Luger, Magnetia, whoever was around, like you know, breaking a man's leg, I mean them breaking Dusty's leg and damn Riot breaking out plan. It was still pretty awesome as it did. But then you know, modern I guess maybe more of the modern era Austin McMahon nWo is always up there, even though there are holes. But still, I mean that was a three four year long program, so that's pretty impressive. And then in recent times this has been absolutely the best.

50:07 I mean it's there's so much interacies. I mean, how many You've already built two main event level stars out of this outside of Roman with Sammy and jay Uso either one gets slide to the main event picture and if Jimmy ever just. Kind of took off a solo, so you actually have built three main event guys out of this angle in addition to Romans. So just some really good storytelling overall. But yeah, I mean, top five storylines of my lifetime of forty seven years. Yeah, no, it's it's it's definitely up there. And another good storyline right now, Doc Trey is the Judgment Day and I'm referring to it as the Judgment Day Implosion. Similar question, a same exact question, not even similar, same exact How do we want to see the Judgment Day implosion storyline play out? I've been into the Bloodline storyline, I've been into the Judgment Day storyline, and I'll share a little story with you, and this is I think this is cool for me because this is like how I felt as a young kid watching wrestling in the nineties.

51:06 I wasn't like emotionally attached to the Summer Slam stuff like an old school wrestling fan was, or when I was a kid whatever with the Rhea Ripley, you know, with Dom and Live turning on Rhea and then Finn turning on on Damian Priest. However, when they had that promo where Damian Priest's in the ringe calling out Finn balad or Finn's on the screen and hits it right up against his face and they pan out and it's this brand new Judgment Day, I had a moment and I still have this moment as I talk about it, and silly to say, but I'll say it anyway. I was like, those sons of bitches. I cannot wait to see Damien Priest and Rita Ripley kick your ass. And I love that because that has been lost for me as a wrestling fan as the years have gone on, and I do the podcast, read the dirt sheet stuff like that, I'm like, wow, wait a minute, I am, I am into this and I think that's rare for today's adult wrestling fan. So I love that. And then later on in the night, when Reham made the save, Reve got a stone cold pop Doctor Trey. When that music dropped, that place went nuts and I have not seen something like that at the start of a theme song for a save since Stone Cold Steve Austin. I mean, they lost their shit. They were so excited to see her beat down Dom and Live Morgan, who were attacking Damien Priest at the time. Props at wa. I loved it,

52:39 and I can't wait to see how this storyline continues to play out. I don't think it will be as long as the bloodline stuff that we will potentially see over the next six to twelve months. Or maybe three to six months, but I think it has some good longevity here for the rest of twenty twenty four at least. Yeah, so longtime listeners know of this show, know that Sean Michael's my favorite reservot. And when Sean lost in WrestleMania at thirteen, it made me sad because I knew Sean was going away. But what we saw on Monday Night when they panned out and you got that shot of I'm saying the new Judgment Day, you know, but it's basically just the newest members of the Judgment Day Finn, you know, Carlito, j D and Dom and Lived. It reminded me of when they when they when they put Triple h An X, Pog, Billy Gunn and a road Dog together to kick off the Monday Night after WrestleMania at thirteen and the beat down of Chainsaw Charlie and Cactus Jack, and you're just like kind of that same thing, like you son of bitches, like their back, like they just read they cut the head off of the snake, and the snake just said, no, We're just gonna keep, you know, biting at you. So it reminded me a little bit of that and like, Okay, Damien's out, Rhea is out.

53:53 We're still strong, and we're gonna call it. And and that line of Benn saying that in every time you know, it may not be right away, it may not be now, but every time you turn your back, I'm gonna be there to stab it again and again again. I have never heard anybody use backstabbing that way. And I was like, that's a really damn good promo. And I think this is a way of maybe re energizing Finn Balor his character in WWE, because I mean, this is the first ever Universal Champion. You know, he was an NXT. You know, he's a triple AH guy in NXT, but he's kind of been since he joined the Judgment Day. At first we thought it was gonna be his group, and he always kind of fell to the side for Rha and and Damien. So maybe it's the way of re energizing his career as well now that he's in his mid thirties as well. So it's a way to kind of reinvigorate Finn Balor.

54:45 Yeah, it's it's really exciting stuff and I think again it's been executed really well. I've loved the stuff that led into it. There was those like red herrings that they had were I think there was a couple of shots where like people were coming into Raw a couple of months ago, and there was a on the background and in one shot Finn Baler walks out of the car, and then in the next shot later on Live Morgan comes out of the same car. And then there was stuff where uh Dominic and Live were coming out of the same dressing room during like backstage vignettes, and they had gotten away from that for a little bit, but obviously with fans and us as guys doing the podcaster, we always felt like this was the way that was going to go. And I just really loved again the attention to detail. I mean, you have some really really strong storylines carrying w right now, whether it is this beginning stages of this new chapter of the Bloodline on SmackDown, if it's a true McIntyre and cmpunk on Monday Night Raw, if it's the Judgment Day implosion on Monday Night Raw as well. So I don't think that this has the same longevity, but I think if it's if it's really good, it could And you know, Damien has been made into a babyface. Damien's been a star, Rhea has been a star for years. I think Damien obviously kind of trailed a little bit behind. I think fans are really behind him right now. Agreed, we're finded a little bit of rejuvenation.

56:05 I like that Carlito and JD McDonough are getting some love in this as well. Live. I would say the only thing that maybe I don't like Doctor Trey is that the Women's Champion is kind of arm candy in the short term. I think Live is such a stronger character that she doesn't need to be that like main squeeze arm candy around Dominic Mysterio who has been rejuvenated as audastardly heeled that everybody should hate as well. Yeah, I think the. Thing with Live and this is gonna be something that she always runs into is just she's just so small that she's going to need somebody as a heel to kind of help buffer her a little bit. So I don't hate it as much. I understand where you're coming from with it, because she is the Women's Champion. She's strong enough and her character's good enough. But I think with this the way her her character's kind of gone.

56:59 It makes sense to put her as part of the group, have Dom be around because there now you can have Dom help her win. And because she's so small, it makes sense where you know, God helping Riha where Hellria was like the third biggest member in the judgment day. You know, as far as size wise, didn't always make a ton of sense when she was wrestling much smaller opponents. With with Live having Don by her side, it makes a lot of sense because everybody outside of Alexa Bliss on the raw women's side is bigger than Live. So I don't hate it as much because I think I know where they're going with that. On August eighth, if we were doing the award show today, is Live Moregan You're Women's Wrestler of the Year.

57:45 Probably yeah, I would say probably. She's She's had the most character development and her end ring work has just gotten so much better just even in the last year. So it might be between her and Baylee and Nya, like the three of them. Ria's three or four month absence does kind of hurt her a little bit, so it makes it a little bit. You know, typically Ria one airbels from chasing her, but lives had the most development, you know, since her return at the Rumble, and it's hard to argue against them. Damien is Damian Priese if it was all ended today, is Damien Price a breakout star of the. Year, breakout star of the year. Hmmm uh for me, it's him and Osprey.

58:31 Okay, I think that's fair. I think that's very fair given some thought, I think that's very fair. I think the really interesting case in this entire thing is how when it comes to this implosion is how do they end it with Rhea and Damien going off on their own. That to me, the final execution of this all I think will be the most telling thing moving forward. Doctor Try. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. On one hand, it's kind of hard. To separate them because you know, you're it's two people fighting five It's really hard to be, really hard to separate them for a while. I think what they go is is once this kind of dies down, you see Damien go back after Gunther and Rea reclaims all of the championship, they go on their back. They can kind of do the same thing we saw with the Shield for years, where whenever needed, you can bring them back together because they have this uh history and chemistry built between them now, but yeah, it's gonna be kind of hard to see.

59:36 Like, of course, the good guys win in the end, But the. Other thing is do they add in and to do they draw people in to help them battle the Judgment Day? And to me, the Judgment Day needs one more big guy. Nobody on that Nobody on that team is over two hundred and thirty pounds. They need one more big guy in their arsenal. So I would expect somebody from some big guy from NXT to eventually come up, or they recruit somebody else to kind of fill out the blood. Or the Judgment Day. Then finally, the last thing I want to talk about here is now our early expectations for Gunther's World of aweight Championship. Rain he has held and this is something they're promoting in WE television right now. He held the NXCUK Championship for about I think eight hundred days, the Intercontinent Old Championship for a record six hundred plus days.

1:00:22 The expectation here is the World of a Weight Championship will be held for probably nearly the same or close to or they're going to pump it up as potentially being that long, and that's kind of Gunther's game. So maybe we're seeing something where a world title reign is taking place for the next six to twelve months. What are the early expectations here, dot Trey Mine. I think Gunther at this point is entering WrestleMania as a World of Awaight champion. I think a match with Sammy Zain who wins to the Royal Rumble, is one that would take place at WrestleMania one year later from the New contin Old Championship match because that was a very compellit storyline in feud, and I think Sammy eventually goes over him in the next Yeah, six to twelve months as the new World Away champion, but I think this is a dominating reign. I think it's matches that we're sitting here going this is what we expect from Gunther Match of the Night potentially. I'm excited for Gunther as the World of Weight Champion on the Raw brand. But what are your early expectations for this run moving forward?

1:01:18 No, I'm excited because I'm a huge fan of Gunther, like, I love watching him wrestling. He's one of my favorite performers in wrestling to day. It does. The nervousness about it for me is when you look at that roster, you could say that he's maybe the fourth most popular person, Like you look at the pecking order, He's going to fall behind rawlins Back and Tire and Punk for the immediate future. And so unless they shake up the roster when the show goes to Netflix or something, how long can you. Have your world champion be the fourth or fifth guy on your roster? At some point, you know, I kind of expect, you know, Drew to get a shot gun the Punk to get a shot at Gunther. Wrong, some one of those bigger names is going to have to get into this world title picture. Otherwise it's just weird. It's gonna be like AWESQ, where sometimes the world title is not the most important thing on the show for months at a time. And that's that's my only nervousness about this. And it may take them shaking up the roster, moving some guys around to kind of bounce it all out.

1:02:25 Yeah, no, it's it'll be interesting. I think the one thing with guntherro doctor tref I had one knock on him and he doesn't need it at all, But I would like to see it is I always have felt like that there's like a lack of compellities storyline with Gunther, and I think if there's gonna be one thing that needs potentially exposed of him going forward is as a character, he's a little one dimensional as a wrestler. It could be formulaic and similar at times. I think that those could be a little bit of a I would love to see the character catch up to the wrestler as well, and I would like to see him in an equal compelling feud storyline, one that is comparable to Drew mcatarcy and punk bloodline, Judgment day stuff, because I would love to see that area that aspect of Gunther's character.

1:03:22 I think what you're seeing right now is he misses having Ludvig Kaiser with him, not that he needs a mouthpiece. I think you saw them start that path with the promos heading in a SummerSlam, you know, the empty arena promos and things like that. He is a little bit one dimensional. The Ring of Sacred, the rest of the ring general, that type of thing. He needs a little bit more depth. You also saw him kiss his wife after we We'll tell you saw Jenny out there and I was like, oh, that's something new from Gunther we haven't seen. I think he does need either somebody he needs, Lackey's he needs.

1:04:02 If you're a general, you have an army. He doesn't have an army right now, so I think, you know he'll need that at some point to give him a little more death. But plus it also creates compelling storylines if he beraates somebody at the point where they turn against him and then make a healer or another baby face out of it. But it's hard to build him when right now he's the third or fourth most compelling thing on the show. You got the Judgment Day implosion, you got Real, you got Damian Finn, Rhea, Live, Punk McIntyre, Rollins, Bronson Reid, and then Gumper's over here. It's gonna be kind of it's kind of hard. To build that character up when he's not the focal point of the show going forward for the next couple months.

1:04:45 Probably we're seeing that with both World Champions, isn't it right now? Yeah? I think obviously Cody has a better chance of getting back in the focal point, But you're seeing that with both World Champions, which is bizarre. Yeah, it's a little bit of it, like we said. Like I said, it's a little bit of the issue that AEW's had in the past, where where you're wanting to try and build new stars up by putting the title on them, but until they really get over with the crowd, it's kind of hard when you have bigger stars off doing other stuff not related to what the World Champions doing. Something to think about for next week's edition of the podcast as we organically sit here, because we just talked about with Cody, We've talked about with guntherro We mentioned it with Bailey as well, and I think you can make a case with it about Damian Priest. Just something to think about here. Maybe if I remember, I'll write it down here. We'll bring it up on next week's show.

1:05:33 Is WWE Creative having a tough time booking the World Champions because some of the most compelling feuds now don't involve a world title. And this is also coming off of a period of time where the Bloodline had a world title in there and it was very compelling, but it was it because the world title. But love Cody, love Gunther, They're not a compelling storylines right now, everything else that is compelling does not have a world title involved. So I'm gonna think about Doctor Tren. I mean we'll talk about here in next week's edition to pod. Yeah, no, absolutely right, thanks a lot of sense. All right with that, that's close up shop on this week since edition of the podcast. You can get a couple let's get a couple plugs and sponsored out of the way. You can download show every Thursday or Friday at Realguyriu dot com, Russell chatnett on X and the still Worth the Show iTunes feed, don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to help us comment charts on iTunes.

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