Royal Rumble Recap & Vince McMahon Allegations | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #729 – 2/1/24

0:00 It's still welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition. It's the Real Do Show episod number seven and twenty nine for February first, twenty twenty four. Welcome to your WAE Royal Robo Recap and Review and NXT Vengeance, a preview and predictions edition of ass r T You. I am one aff the show. I am Jabtack joined every single week my coast, the one only Doctor Try Franklin, Doctor Trey. Welcome to the Road to WrestleMania forty my friend.

0:47 Yeah, and uh all, like we've already got a little couple of bumps in the road, a couple of tours already. I'm not going back into road analogies. That was last week's show, So uh yeah, apparently it's all sailing from here on interrest. Oh yeah, say yes yes. Lots of ups, lots of downs, lots of bummer things going on in the world professional wrestling, lots of exciting things going on in the world professional wrestling. It was a wild past week, especially for world wrestling entertainment, and we're here to recap it all for all of you on this week's edition of SRTU. And there's no better way to kick it off, Doctor Trey. But looking back at the Royal Rumble, pl I almost call the pay per view premium live event. This is uh, this is a show that I think you can always go back to. I was thinking about this, like, there's not many matches that you can go back to and rewatch and like be into it and excited about it. I always have felt like I could pop on the two thousand Royal Rumble tomorrow, I could pop on the ninety seven Royal Rumble, ninety five Royal Rumble, twenty eighteen Royal Rumble.

1:57 I could put on this past weekend's edition Royal Rumble Match. I always can watch Rumble matches and be highly entertained and attentive the entire time. Do you feel the same way when it comes to the Royal Rumble. Yeah, I would say the vast majority of them. Yeah. Plus you get to go back and look and see like, oh my god, I've never realized these two guys actually kind of squared off or had an interaction or a bubble bent. You know. It's like you think of all the surprise entrance over years past. You know, the mister perfect, so you know the times that you know, Bully Ray or Devon's been in or some the other guys that popped in. You're like, oh my god, I forgot these guys actually touched in a WW ring. So you know, obviously, much like watching you know, your favorite scary movie or your favorite drama, you kind of know the ending. But sometimes it's kind of good to go back and reflect and still, you know, have those moments where you're like, oh my god, this was really really good. I really enjoyed this. Yeah, a good rumble typically represents a really good time parent professional wrestling, and I feel like that's what we got this past week with the Royal Rumble pay per view. Let's get into it, Doctor Drury. This came to us this past Saturday from Tropiccana Field, the former one of the iterations of the Thunderdome back in the COVID nineteen era of WI which I hope we never go back to again, in Saint Petersburg's, Florida, a place where Doctor Trena actually watch to baseball at the game together at one time. Bailey wins the Women's Royal Rumble match. I had Bailey, Doctor Trey, you had Becky Lynch.

3:31 Fun Royal Rumble match. I really enjoyed seeing Jordan Grace TNA Knockouts Champion Grace getting a chance performed as that was a cool surprise. Not only did she get an opportunity perform, but she lasted twenty minutes and had a really good showing in that match. Naomi returned to w W WI in this match. That was awesome. She was extremely emotional. Jade card Gil made her WI debut and her face off with Bianca bell Air was a great moment too. That makes me want a wrestling media match between the two. And then lastly, it was nice to see Bailey win the Royal Rumble Match and get the opportunity and the headline wrestling at forty, she has just about done everything in her WE career now incredibly well deserved for Bailey to get this moment, Doctor Trey Bailey is your Royal Rumble winner. Yeah, it was nice because you know, you and I went through the pandemic era and talked about how Bailey and Sasha Banks kind of carried not just the women's division, but he carried a lot of you know, w programming at times. Though. For her to come back to this venue and win the Royal Rumble. It was great for her. It's good television because it's like, okay, where do we go? We saw the Kubuki Warriors women Tag Belts the Friday night before the Rumble, so damage control kind of has control over the SmackDown at least, you know, women's division. So it makes for good storytelling, It makes for good TV to see how this all plays out. I will say, I don't know if you saw this, but after Bailey won, she did kind of tighten up the ponytail for a little bit, So I didn't

5:06 if that was a little foreshadowy for worthing for to go. But overall, just really happy for Bailey because I think she's maybe, you know, out of all the main stays of the women's division the last few years, she's kind of almost the forgotten soldier in all that we talk about Charlotte, we talk about beck and we talk about Sasha, we talk about Rod three you kind of forget how good Bailey really is, Yeah, you do. And she is a solid worker. She is a very deserving wrestler to get this opportunity. She will at times take a back seat. Sometimes she'll be a vocal sometimes she'll just be mid level, help get people over. She is a workhorse and she's, like I said in my recap of the match, has just about done everything now in her WWE career. Very very happy for her. The last couple of things that she has not had an opportunity need to do is headline WrestleMania and win the Royal Rumbel Match. And now she's accomplished at least half of that, and hopefully we'll get an opportunity to accomplish the other half of that come. She's like eight to twelve weeks from now with Resumania forty, which is got to be here quicker than we can imagine.

6:19 What was your favorite non Bailey winning moment from this match or what was your favorite moment from the match? Doctor for because for me, I felt like it was too really a nice surprise to see Jordan Grace get that opportunity and then the Jade card gild debut her face to face with Bianca Bellair. The fans really ate that up. Yeah, so Jordan Grace because the TNA tie in, you know, longtime TENA fan, and the fact that she looked phenomenal, Like I know I as people are like, well, I didn't know who Jordan Grace was, but damn she came out and she was just a house of fire and she looks fantastic and didn't realize how Jack she was like. He's like, yeah, she looked like she belonged in WW.

7:00 So if they ever if here it makes that move, we all can understand why My thing was. I love the double press slam spot where Bianga and Jade both had people up over their heads and they were kind of showcasing that, like just like the Jade Cargio spot once again, Merchi, like Jordan Grace, you see here and you're like, yeah, this is where she belongs. She fits in with this crowd. And then also like when when Night got a Limit, Becky's sitting on the ropes just kind of waving at her with Jade looking over her shoulder. I thought that was pretty cool. Also, yeah, very very fun match there. The Women's Royal matches. Bailey is your winner. Next match, Roman Reigns defeats Randy Orton, AJ Styles and La and I in a fatal four way match to retain the undisputed w Universal Championship. Dutch stray But and I both had Roman Reigns I liked this match. I just didn't love this match completely. I felt like the purpose of this match was to get a Roman Reigns title defense on one of the biggest shows of the year while kicking off feuds between Randy Orton and Solos and La Knight and AJ Styles. I would have liked to see some more offense from Rains in this match, as it followed the blueprint I've been complaining about the last several months, the last several Roman Rains matches. Rains is really good, and not every one of his matches has to go like this where not a lot of offense, some chicken shit stuff, Solo comes out, interferes and Roman Roman gets the victory. Like it's I like the blueprint when it makes sense, but it's like overkilling this blueprint. Rains is

8:31 a hell of a worker. Make them a little bit more dominant again. I like this match, Doctor Trey, I just didn't love it because the whole blueprint being followed time and time again with Roman Reigns. So I'm with you, it says, I like the match. I didn't love the match. I thought it was I thought it was good. I thought it did enough for everybody involved, like, like you said, set up future rivalries. Everybody still looks like they could be a made event star. And I think sometimes when you matches like this, it's okay to have the chicken shit wins so speak, because it still makes all the challengers still looks strong, like it was kind of a flukish thing for you know, La Knights to hit the rope and aj falls down and boom, there's a spear. It fits because it saves everybody and you can still kind of build off that post WrestleMania, you know. And I'm old school like the NWA. I grew up on Rick Flair with the horsemen around him. This is basically the m over every Rick Flair match during the eighties and into the nineties, and then Hogan in the nWo for the most part. So when you get those moments where the challenger is or the challenger actually wins, it's much more meaningful.

9:37 I mean, hell, like Hogan losing the Lex Luger made Luger a star. Hogan losing to Goldberg made Goldberg a star. Hogan losing the Sting at Star Kate basically elevated Sting to that you know, upper icon echelon here and the same thing with Flair. I mean, who would have ever heard of Rugged Ronnick Garvin had it not been for Rick Flair losing to him. So I don't hate it. The difference is when you're at three years, you haven't really built anybody up off of this, so much like the Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania, whoever they decide to get the nods to should be positioned to have a huge future of the company, just unfortunately for Taker, and they did with Lesner. So yeah, I think the stuff that's been lost is like Rains was getting people over and elevating them to his level when they weren't doing the same blueprint. Right now, it just feels like they're coasting and they're just trying to get to WrestleMania, and I don't know, maybe he drops the title at that show, depending on the creative direction that does the same. I mean, do you think it's because they didn't know which direction they were going to WrestleMania. No, I just I just feel like it's they don't I don't know if they know what to do with him because he's not there as often as he used to be. Because when they the Bloodline storyline has always had purpose, and the purpose was is the building of the bloodline when he was on his ascension upwards, adding Jay and Jimmy and Solo

11:07 and then adding Sammy, and then it was the defection of Sammy that carried them for a period of time. Then it was the defection of Jay and Jimmy that carried them for a period of time. Ever since Summer Slam with the match with jay Usso where Jimmy turned on him and then like realigned with the Bloodline for no reason after starting the whole split and friction and all that stuff. It's just and he hasn't been around on television. It's been just different. It's just it's not serving a purpose right now. And I think they've like we can compliment w creative a lot, but I feel like they have been kind of lost since the SummerSlam match with jay Uso because they went and stuff with La Night, similar blueprint. He went away for a while.

11:54 Now he's come back and then had this feud and then it was the same blueprint basically as the La Night match. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like they're just trying to coast a little bit with this title Reign. Yeah, I think you know, the stuff we mentioned some of the great stables of all time, whether it's the nWo, whether it's the Horsemen. When you've got those those moments, usually there's also a defection, but there's also an addition. You know, you could have the Big Show, you could have Paul White, the Big Show, the Giant drop out and slide somebody else int in turn. So you can always do one for one swamps and I think that the issue sometimes with a group like the Bloodline, where it's family, you can't you can't do that. It's hard to There's only so many people you can add into the Bloodline. And they did build main event stars off of it because they you know, not to mention that his Challengers, but the same He's Aids and the Jay Hussos. So they have built some main event level characters out of it. But right now, to me, I think part of it is I feel like they didn't know and I don't know. I say the Rock helped them up, but you know, for the last few months, we didn't know if they're going to Cody en Rollman or Rock and Rollman, So it kind of kind of maybe holds up their storyline progression really since Crowdjewel at least, Yeah, I have the vibe just the way you're starting to see the seeds being planted, with the tribal air of Solo so CoA, all that stuff, his getting involved in Romans matches, which is maybe this is all purposes. At some point Solo is going to turn on Roman, and probably Roman's going to be away for a while and return as a babyface, and then Solo's going to go on this like rocket ship run in the period of time is a top heel,

13:28 probably unless he gets a baby face reaction for doing it. So like you could see those seeds being planted. But yeah, maybe there's something to it where they wanted to do Rock and Roman at thirty nine and then probably carry this over to forty with Cody and Ben drop the title to him rather than potentially repeat performance of Cody and Roman. Again, it's just it's felt off this year. It started red hot with the Sammy Roman stuff started and continued with a great co Roman feud match it and maybe whether you like the result or not, and then that carried on with the friction of Jay and Jimmy starting to split from the bloodline, and then we've reached SummerSlam and it's just been like they don't know what to do from here for some reason, and it's because lack of TV time with him, and there's like no purpose with the bloodline. And I also feel like something they can't be lost here about the bloodline. And I don't know how how you perceive this, but this is how I perceive it, Doctor Tray. Every time Roman goes away and Solo and Jimmy are left to fend for themselves on SmackDown, I feel like they're lesser than They're not as a focal point as they should be on the show, and I don't take them as seriously as I should when they're next to Roman Reigns carrying on the bloodline Torch. Yeah, I think part of it is that you know it, we'll kind of go into a living where you get the rubble a little bit my stuff. But Jimmy doesn't seem like the kind of like he doesn't have He's not his brother, and I

15:01 hate saying that because they're twins. But Jay has a little more pizzazz, a little more charisma, a little more thing, and I think Solo suffers from a little bit from like Umagasvivia where the audience really hasn't heard him talk, and those post where when he does speak, we all go, oh wow, okay, you can talk. We Sunday they see they do can cut a promo. But it's just the way they booked him. On the main level, It's like, Okay, he's just kind of a henchmit, he's kind of a monster, and you know, most the crowds typically doesn't respond to monsters who don't speak, so maybe that's why they're just kind of looked at as you know, B and C guys instead of you know, equal footing as to Row but or at least on that you know, in that rage at least right now. Yeah, it's it's interesting, and I think we're going to be talking a lot about room in here in the month of February, especially hiding in a WrestleMania and his creative direction maybe becomes a little bit clearer on Friday. But that's that's a really interesting twist as well, which we'll obviously get to to here in a little bit. Next match is Logan Paul defeating Kevin Owens by disqualification and retain the w United States Championship.

16:08 We both had Logan Paul getting the victory. Solid wrestling match and something that really tested the innring ability of Logan Paul, which held up against one of the best, and Kevin Owens. Kevin Owens throwing Logan Paul's plans to use the brass knuckles only get caught before the three count was really well booked, and I did love Pat mcafe's line about the referee of quote, now you have twenty twenty vision end quote. I thought that was hilarious creative booking and ending for this match, and Doctor Trey and I talked about it on last week's show. We both predicted this match to be a WrestleMania match and figured, well, that was not gonna happen. Now after this match with the rumble, I feel like this may now be back on for WrestleMania. Doctor Trey. Yeah, and you were right. You said Waller in Theory would get involved and they did so. Yeah. Like, I'm on board with this running out because I think this is Look, we all know Triple Ah loves Kevin Owens and he typically does get big wrestle media moments, and he's gotten in the last couple of years under the triplay to watch. I mean, if you get a logan Paul Kevin Owen's WrestleMania match, who better to represent the blue collar, you know, workingman America than Kevin Owens cutting promos on social media and you know all the TV stuff they're going to do leading up to wrestle media. Because if that's the route they go, he's the right guy to have in that spot. So I love to finish because there's something we don't see very often anymore. This was something that happened quite a bit during the nineties and early two thousands when you and I were coming up watching blutching the business the good guy. Typically when he cheats, he gets away with it. This time he got caught. So it's a good

17:38 blueprint to kind of run this angle out longer if this is the wrestle media path they go down, and where I'm on board for it. Next match is Cody Rhodes winning the Men's Royal Rumble Match. I had the Rock Doctor Trade CM Punk another great Royal Rumble match. I really enjoyed how long the final four into the final two win. I don't recall them ever doing the part of the rumbles for that long, it did feel like it could go either way between Punk and Roads, but ultimately Cody Rhods wins and becomes the first back to back winner since nineteen ninety eight when Stone Cold Steve Austin did it. Now this begs the question will Cody Roads finished the store at restamenty forty against the Manny point at the end of the rumble, pl Roman reigns. We'll talk about that in a little bit, but Doctor Troy lots to come out of this one. Nonetheless, Cody Rhoades wins it for back to back years. Yeah, I thought it was a solid rumble. Maybe not you know, upper echelon level rumbles we had to pass, but I thought it was very solid and arguably kind of the safe rumble to have, you know, some of the interactions and this rumble were great, and Cody getting the way for people that kind of I don't know if you've heard this, but I've heard who say like maybe that Cody isn't the future of WWE, or maybe he's maybe since Vince left and Hunters took over, that he's not being the same to do something to do win the rumble back to back for the first time in twenty five years. Just shows you that they love this guy, they have faith in this guy and this and somebody they're building the future of this company around. So overall, for what it did, and

19:10 you know, I thought it was good. I will say I thought when it came down to Punk and Cody, it maybe went a little long. But I don't think that was Bookie's fault. I think Punk's kind of out of shape and then apparently also injured, so it just kind of felt a little long. But outside of that, overall just a very very solid rubble. Yeah, the Punk stuff I think may be more to injury than being out of shape, and maybe, you know, a little bit rusty because I was like, man, he looks like when did hear he's out of shape? And then you come to find out what happened to him, which we'll cover here. Momentarily I was like, oh, that makes sense. He looked a little chubby, Jericho, he did. He did look a little heavy, but I think he's been putting on some size. I mean, his shoulders have gotten really big since his aw run. Well, everybody in WW seems to be getting bigger the last fourth, last few much look at Randy and AJ and like, okay, all the other guys are seem to be getting put on a little bit of muscle. I never thought i'd hear Randy Orton laying at two seventy five by the land. I forgot to mention that earlier. But that's that's the biggest wait I think I've ever heard r Randy Orton technically weighs in more on the announcements than Kevin OHA's doing.

20:15 Interesting. Yeah, I know you're seeing a lot of guys put on a lot of muscle lately. All right, pay per view prediction record. I went three and one, Doctor Trey went two and two. It is the first one of the year, Match of the night and event rating. I gave the show a four point two. I really enjoyed the show. Is a lot of fun, good evening of wrestling on a Saturday night. And my match of the night was the Women's Royal Rumble. Doctor try really okay, I went three point eight and my match of the night was the Men's Rumble. So a little bit of different opinion there, ok And I wouldn't have guessed that because you made it sound like it you didn't enjoy the match all that much. Well, the women's match, I would say about the middle of it, and I guess it is kind of what Ivy Nile, Vaccine Duprix and those ones kind of got in the middle there. It was not good. Like I'm literally watching like Bailey try to carry Vaccine Duprix around the ring for the head scissors and the like this is. Yeah, some of the girls you can kind of tell still aren't ready for prime time, So that kind of I thought the I thought the last you know, ten minutes OTHERWIS match was really good, but there was a middle section there that was kind of bad. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, because I felt that way too. And then it did pick itself up. I felt like so and with the men's rumble, outside of Jimmy and Jay squaring off, I just didn't feel like there were any like just great. I mean, the broad Breaker appears. I thought broad Breaker looked fantastic. I was going to bring that up. I felt like he was the breakout so far of that match, and that was a short notice reportedly. Yeah,

21:48 but for for the most part, I thought the men's rumble was you know, like I said, it was a solid Rumble. I just don't think it's a great rumble, I guess so. To me, it was like above average everywhere, like the Tires show. To me, it felt like it was a of average, but just not as good as maybe some rumbles of the past. All right, Interesting, Usually we're not that far apart on ratings. I really thought the show was fantastic, So it's interesting. Four point two for me, three point eight by Doctor Trey. I would say that's probably one of the wider gaps we've seen in recent memory. Yeah, I was usually we're with it. A point one or a point two point four is kind of far off for us. All right, So coming out of Royal Rumble, there is a lot of flux. And I don't mean any offices of Stanford Cannetic here, which we will unfortunately have to cover here. I'm going to talk about something that's a little bit more inclined to what we typically talk about here on this week each week's edition of SRTU, and that is the WRESTLEMANI forty cards. So it's in a bit of flux right now, and I want to figure out a way for Doctor Trey and I to fix this. So as CM Punk announce on Monday's Raw he suffered a torn triceps during the Rumble match. Hears it happened during him receiving the Future Shock DDT from Drew McIntyre. He is headed towards surgery. The belief is that he will be out for four to six months. I also saw September as a timeframe, which would put it at nine months as a potential return for him. So on top of that, right now, you've got

23:22 Cody Rhodes at the end of the Rumble. He points to Roman Reins and it seems like slam dunk. That's what they're gonna do. It's gonna be Cody and Roman. Then obviously on Monday we get word like leading into Raw that Punk was injured. I think that was like Monday afternoon. Then Punk confirms it on Monday, as I just discussed. So punkin and Seth Rons is not going to happen now at the Royal Rumble. Seth Ronds, who was injured a couple of weeks ago, We've talked about his injury. His status for the for Wrestmania is a little murky, but the expectation is he will be there. He cuts a promo which makes a ton of sense from a storyline standpoint where it's like, hey, don't forget about me. Also, you know, consider me for your championship match Cody face me at WrestleMania, which, if you take another step back, you're like, Okay, this is interesting because if Cody is like, you know what, You're right, I'm going to go after the Workhorse title. I'm going to take on seth Rons at WrestleMania, there might be a slight bit of disappointment, but then that slides in the rock to take on Roman Reigns at WrestleMania. Then you have filled out both roles. But according to wrestle Votes, and we'll get to this, we're kind of talking about this particular wrestler out of order wrestle Votes tweeted on Monday or excuse me, Tuesday, between the Unfortunate Injury to see Him Punk, No, this was Wednesday or Tuesday morning. Excuse me. Wow, I can't get my days right, because it's like, what the hell? Between the unfortunate Injury to see mpunk, the questionable status

24:56 of seth Rons, and the pulling of brock Less, which he has been pulled due to the allegations set Forth about him and vinsick Man, which we will talk about. The WRESTLEMANI card has took a sharp turn, so I said, there are a number of brand new card variations on the table, including some superstars who were not pegged towards the top just days ago. I'm being told they will take their time to figure things out and just consider quote just about everything, end quote. So the reports out there in regards to Brock, who reportedly is now out of the rumble excuse me, out of Wrestlemanian and was not in the rumble and bron Breaker took his spot, was that he was going to take on Dominic Mystereo at Elimination Chamber and then take on Gunther at WrestleMania, which is something Doctor Trey and I predicted. So they're been saying, people saying, well, Punk's out, Brock's out, do Gunther and Seth. You know, pitch that in an angle on the last week's edition of Raw, previously heading into the Royal Rumbles. So a couple of innerations here, Doctor Trey, you could go Cody Roman, you could go Cody Seth, you could go Rock Roman, you could go Gunther Seph because Punk Seth and gunther Brock is not happening now for Wrestmania forty.

26:11 It's in flux. There's a lot of balls in play. We're gonna be out there on Friday. Cody's going to address who his selection is going to be. Maybe he makes the announcement, maybe he carries it over again to the next edition of Raw. What's the direction that you would take right now if you're heading up w creative? How do you move forward with some of the top matches at Wrestmania forty. Well, to me, it comes down to whether or not you have the Rock and Play or not. Like to me, that's and I don't know, we haven't really got a definitive answer on this, because if the rocks on the table, you do Rock and Roman. That's that's your super Bowl, that's your money match, that's your Rock Sena for the previous generations. You have those two guys square off and you're gonna get a ton of Poe buys and subscription buys for Peacock wherever long you have it or whatever you want to do, and then you slide Cody over to Seth. If you don't have Rock, then you do Cody and Roman. And to me, you it would make sense to slide Gunther into that spot and do you know workhorse champion versus workhorse air con mail champion basically kind of almost like a winner takes all, like you know, kind of like Hogan Warrior from Wrestlemedia five six, which I can't remember that for Hogan and Warrior was six six. Yeah, so, but yeah, I would do Rollins and Gunther because then if you have Gunther go over, now you have a built and dominant champion on the raw brand to offset your dominant champion on SmackDown. That that to me is the most logical thing because the one

27:45 thing I love I don't know about you. I loved Seth's promo with Cody from Monday Night the one the one thing he left out is he should have also sounded desperate to beat Cody. He could have. He could have also played there and you're the only guy I haven't beat. I am ozer and three against you, I need to beat you. You know, if he had thrown that in there, alluding back to a Cody first debut and the torn pectorial muscle, telling a sell match we all love, then that would have added a little more gravitas to it. If that's the direction to go. They go Okay, the crowd goes, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Seth needs to be Cody because Cody Basy beat him with one arm and hell of a cell. Yeah. It's It's interesting because I felt like when Rumble went off the air, I was like, all right, well, I guess we're not getting Rock Roman at Russell Manning, which I'm fine with. I mean, this makes this makes sense to do the Cody because if I'm Cody Rhodes, I want revenge. I want to finish my story at Roman Reigns and then the punk stuff comes out and then they cut that promo on Raw, which I agree with you. I thought the segment was really well done and made a ton of sense. Seth coming out there and saying like, hey, don't forget about me makes a ton of sense.

28:56 And I liked that they did that. I like they opened that door up, They opened that door up for this opportunity. However, this reminds me of the Ronda Rousey rumble win a couple of years ago that I was like completely against because storyline said Ronda and at the time Becky Lynch was champion like Ronda's been chasing Becky Lynch. That was the match we wanted to see time and time again, and it was like this is this is it? Two rivals and then she goes and they have her choose Charlotte Flair, which storyline wise made zero sense to me unless w creative can really make this compelling and interesting and give it a nice little plot twist. I still think as much as that segment was really well done, and I like Seth's compassion plea to be like, hey, choose me, it doesn't make sense for Cody Rhodes to do that touch tray like he has to avenge that loss from thirty nine.

29:51 That's how you finish the story. And the lineage of the w Championship which he is chasing is in that title. So maybe they're serving us a little bit. Maybe they're, you know, trying to shift towards the direction of Cody Seth. But ultimately, while Seth's point of view makes sense to me, Cody going, you know what, you're right to Seth, I'm gonna choose you and we're gonna go one on one at Wrestle many forty, that doesn't make sense because then he would be dodging Roman reigns, which doesn't make sense. And that's also why I think they missed out on the opportunity to bring up their pass of Seth and Cody because Cody debuted at WrestleMania at thirty eight against Seth and Seth lost. So as much as Cody wants to finished his story, Seth could have been like, I need to finish mine.

30:37 You know, you ruined my WrestleMania at thirty eight. You beat me two more times afterwards. I have to finish my story. If I want to be the workhorse champion, I have to, you know, beat you to show that I am the best. You know that I'm the best. Norman, you know where you're chasing Roman, I'm chasing you. That to me, I thought would have been just the extra layer on it. But you know, if if Rock's not in the cars and Cody's you know, and Cody chooses Roman, that sets up elimination Chamber to pick Seth's next challenger, and then you could throw in McIntyre, Sammy Gunther, Uh, you know, Jay and whoever else you want to throw into the mix, you know, for that chamber match to get the chance to challenge Seth at wrestle Media, and then you could have Gunther go over. Basically, if he enters number one, beats everybody, much like Oscar did a few years ago.

31:27 And she got in there and I think she limited everybody in the chamber match to get hersh out of the title. It makes a lot of sense to go that round as well. So I just have this Kakamami idea hear, And when it comes to the World have aweight Championship, are we in agreement Cody needs to move forward with Roman or are you thinking Cody Seth? I mean storyline wise, yeah, Cody needs to go off for Roman. It makes the most sense to finish a story is to chase down the guy that beat you last year. So we're making the idea that rightfully, so that the gonna pick because they've done this last you know, God knows how long. The eliminated chamber match is the way that you picked the next challenger for the title that's not being challenged for or the Rumble winner hasn't selected for WrestleMania forty. So will you presume that there's gonna be a World Away Championship match? Why not? At this point Doctor Trey w w WEE does a like to protect Seth with his injury, even a fatal four way match, you do Seth, Gunther, Big Drew and Sammy Zain for the title at WrestleMania forty. Yeah, you could. Or the other route is you have the chamber or you have the chamber match. Because we still have mister Money in the bank floating around too. You could do the four way. Damian Priest comes in, cashes in in Australia and then wrestle Maya sets up whoever.

32:55 You think Seth should drop the title before Mania? Oh, I say, and then you put him back into it, make it a three way. Okay, So you're saying to say, face a little bit. Then you do like Damien and Seth at WrestleMania. Yeah. Or and then if you need a factor in somebody who wins the wins the chamber match. You know you could. There's ways of time I'm trying to so, yeah, they could do the chamber match and that person wins. Seth is defending the title in Australia, Damien cashes in on Seth and then Seth demands to be put in the match. Because let's just say Guntherer wins that match, so then it's Damien versus Gunther. But then Seth's like, well, I want to revoke my opportunity to get in there, then he gets in there.

33:38 I just feel like, unless WWE wants to move forward with putting the championship on Gunther, he's not going to take the pin. So I'm with you right now. I would take I would take Punk the Punk, Seth, Gunther Brock. It's not happening, So take Seth, take Gunther. If you did one on one, that would be an epic match. But unless you're putting the title on Gunther for a period of time, then I would look towards doing a triple threat or a Fatal four way, or maybe you pull a WrestleMania thirty one on the Gunther Seth match and then you know, towards the end Damien cash is in. You could It's interesting, you could have the fatal four wheel, like you talked about Damien cashing in and doing basically heisting sets title from him. Yeah, pulling the WrestleMania thirty one on pulling the Heights of the Century on the guy who pulled the Heights on the Century exactly it's interesting. I mean, it's it makes it fun as a wrestling fan to figure this stuff out. I just wish it was a little bit more cut and dry, Like I wish we were sitting here this week going Cody Roman slam Dunk. I guess they're not going to do Rock Roman and then obviously they're gonna do Punk Seth and I think that would have been a lot of fun. Is Damien has to cash in before July? Yes, the bank is is July, yep yep so, and by WrestleMania that's April. So if he doesn't cash in, that only gives them a two month window. And if you're gonna pull a title change, like if you rot pull up Strift, let's say gun thor Win. Let's say they do Gunther Staff gun their wins. Are you gonna have Damian Cashion on gun Thro

35:10 Between WrestleMania and money in the bank, it doesn't make sense that cash it has to come either in Australia or in or at WrestleMania. Yeah, and I think Bash at Berlin is in late August. I think like August thirty first, and I just have the feeling that GUNTHERER is either going to be walking into that show as the World of a Weight Champion or he's walking in as the challenger for the World of a Weight Championship match, that would make the most sense to me. Yeah, especially if they want to show something European that can look. It's not gonna beat all In or Wembley. As far as tenants record, I don't think that. No, no, no, no no. They're in a much considerably less arena as well. But if you can pull forty like look, Cardiff was not attendance wise what Wembley Stadium was, but that was one of the most rocking venues that we have seen on television. If you know, you pull the same thing off in Berlin, that just shows Yeah, you guys can draw eighty thousand in London, but you know, we actually still hold the europe mark. So we'll see where things are going here with the top men's matches and on the women's side. It still looks to me Doctor Trey to be going Eo Bailey, Ria Becky and Bianca car Gil That's how I look at it right now.

36:23 Yeah, those would be by if I was picking. Well, I still think that I still think Naya gets factored in somewhere. Well, I think they're doing the Ria Naya match for Perth Australia, so that Rhea goes into that because she she was looking like a babyface on Monday's Raw. I mean, she is a full blown heel, but she's getting beat down by another heel and getting babyface sympathy reaction. They're getting her ready for Perth Australia for homecoming there. I think they might do a triple threat with them with Ria, Becky and Naya, since that makes sense because I mean, you got Naya the Naya Beckay Robert because you saw that at the end of the rumble, like but then but then you presumably got the elimination chamber as well.

37:05 Yeah, so, but I mean I still think that you can still Like Becky gets her shot, but then Naya comes out and basically squashes both of them. She demands it and both the women go, yeah, we want you as match too. So there's also return and Live Morgan out there as well. She's been rumored to potentially have an opportunity. But do you think Eo Bailey is happening and do you think Bianca Cargill is happening? I think Eo Bailey is definitely happening. I just don't know what they're gonna do with Jade yet because she kind of worked as a babyface in that match in the rumble, like she's the one whatever Naya eliminated Naya. You know, Becky turned her back on her and she didn't eliminate Becky in that moment, So that could have been a very healthy to do. And if Jane's a babyface and they just turned the profits lastly group with a babyface. So I don't know if you can do Bianca and Jake straight up one on one if you're trying to establish I think I could. I think you could do babyface babyface in this one. I think they might do Bianca and Jade against like in the tag if they do the women's tag team gauntlet thing you might throw.

38:08 Do you think that would be the like the WrestleMania debut, it's pot I think they're I don't think that's a good idea. Well, you need something for you know, Osca and Kyrie to do, and like why like those are two dominant women, Like do you want to see the Kabuki Warriors against Piper and Chelsea again or against Kai Ni Kaitana or do you want to see Osca and Kyrie against Bianca and Jake. I prefer to see Bianca versus Jade. Well, yeah, I'm not. I'm not thinking that. I think you need to go into like I think we're forgetting that while she was green, obviously she's been training, she's been training at the PC, she's been training with Natalia enticing kid. I would hope Jade is ready to go for a singles match at WRESTLEMANI against Bianca. Yeah, I don't think you do that spot at WrestleMania or because in the Royal Rumble match if there wasn't some sort of plan between those two, but it wasn't really anything more than like it was more like a mutual respect spot at the Rumble. It wasn't like the crowd got loud they want to see it. I just I typically I know how WD likes to do these things, and they might save it for forty one. You know, God, that'd be nuts. Man, you think so well, I'm not saying they go together the entire so well over a year. Yeah, I just I don't know, because once again you have to establish because of the law, you have to establish Jane as a heel between now and WrestleMania. But I don't think you need to establish her as a heel. That's what they don't. Why can't you do if we're

39:43 doing heel versus heel with Rihan and Naya, why can't they do a baby face baby face at WrestleMania because you forget Riya is not a heel in Australia. She's gonna get a baby face real. I mean, I know, of course, I don't forget I said that, but that's what they're doing on on television. Yeah, like she works as a as a heel in the US. Yeah, I know, you're right. It's a tough call. No, I see them, I can see them doing it, but I also know, like, hey, we also have there's there is a limited number of matches we can do, so we may have to you know, that's when we get four ways in three ways and stuff that wrestling, and sometimes they kind of get everybody on the card, so hey, maybe you have them work together and then you know, I guess Kyrie and EO and then they get a little run as tag team champions, they have a breakup and then let's not forget they just brought back Naomi and Live Morgan as well, so I would imagine that they're involved in the WrestleMania fold at some level. Maybe they're this mixed mash tag team. I did feel like at one time, when it was starting to look like maybe Sasha Banks was coming back to w WE, that the direction would have been Bailey and Sasha reuniting to take on the Kabuki Warriors at WrestleMania. But it would appear that she is aw bound, and obviously they've they gone the direction of Bailey being out on her own to take on EO in the Wrestlemanium main event. I think I think we'll get some clarity up Friday, like, oh yeah, no, it's it's gonna get clear here if we if we, if Jade shows up on back Down, we get some clarity as to what her character is,

41:14 because we really haven't had other than her, you know, those pop ups once she first signed. We really haven't had any clarity on what the Jade Cargill character is going to be going forward. It sounds very similar to the a W one. I mean that that theme song was like nearly identical. Yeah, I mean did they did they just I don't know who many. I don't know if if Mikey made that one or if that was something they could license, because it was really really close. It was very very close. So this is what the fun time of the year is is like looking at the card, especially after the Rumble, and like figuring out what they're going to do because you see a bunch of tea leaves. There's obviously the unfortunate injury stuff. There's the allegations that with Vince mcman, John Laurnidis and allegedly brock Lessener that we'll talk about here. So there's a lot of things that have kind of turned the WRESTLEMANI card upside down. And as a wrestling fan, that's what makes it fun to figure out, Okay, what does WWE do next? Because this is this is one of the only shows that you could really sit out like two months from now and look at it and go, all right, how they got to build this out? Because that's what makes it really intriguing in fun, because hell, it's it's fucking WrestleMania. And I always knew with these conversations that we have coming out of shows like the Rumble and this will be something that we talk about week to week. I mean, it's only a matter of time before we start giving our WrestleMania card update updates here on each week's edition to the show as matches are announced, and becoming a little bit more official and fine tune as the weeks go on towards WrestleMania forty, which I'm also digging that they're back giving Roman numerals again, which reported the events, was against calling the WrestleMania like

42:49 thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, what have you, because I think at one time the report was that he made it sound like it made it sound like WRESTLEMANI was too old, and I was like, that's absolutely absurd. But that's that is one finsic man speaking of one vincic man, doctor Dray. By this point, everybody has heard, read, seen the news about the sexual assault sex trafficking allegations that were levied by former w employee named Janelle Grant towards vincick man John Larnidis. Several WA executives that were not named were implicated in it. A former UFC champion, which we would all believe is brock Lesner, was alleged into it. Very very serious allegations being levied at vincick Mann. We're not going to like pick apart the lawsuit because at this point it's nearly a week later, and I think everybody knows about at this point, it is a massive black eye on WWE right now.

43:47 If these allegations are deemed to be true, it's extremely disgusting, it's deplorable. We would ruin any type of legacy Vincent Man ever had because of the type of allegations that are being in levied against him. If there's a remote opportunity for any of this to be true. It did lead to him resigning from W and TKO on Friday night, actually during SmackDown. This is the first time since the nineteen fifties that a member of the McMahon family hasn't been involved with the wrestling organization, going back to vincick Man's grandfather, doctor Trey. I read the lawsuit, actually I read all like sixty pages and it's insane to read. You know, there's a bunch of spark notes out there.

44:37 Your thoughts on these allegations and vincick Man resigning from W and TKO, I mean, the allegations are absolutely horrible I don't know. I hate commenting on this type of stuff because like, I don't like lawsuits like this because a they're civil lawsuits and they're not criminal lawsuits. Because to me, it's if it's when it's labeled sex trafficking, that's criminal, that's somebody who should be arrested and thrown in jail. When it's a civil situation like this, it's labeled sex trafficking, yet there were payments and gifts involved that it just it makes it sound dirty and in scheming, but it's it almost gives sex trafficking like it almost diminishes what actual sex trafficking is in a sense, I guess. And then that's kind of my take on it. Like to me, this is something between two adults that got passed around the office, and that's in it self horrible and gross. But when it was coming out as like sex, I don't know. If I saw a report like Bismic man name in sex traffic lawsuit, I was like, dear God, is that what the Saudi Arabian Talians are? And like is there something they find something going on between WWE and the Saudi princess? And then I read this, I'm like Oh, okay, it's a different thing. I just I didn't like the way it was labeled. But as far as like as a publicly trading company and having this going on behind the scenes is you know, atrocious

46:09 and deplorable. But I really hate it the way it was kind of put out into the media before you actually read the actual litigation part of it. Yeah, it's important to read the lawsuit obviously, for everybody to go out there then make your own judgments. But this is obviously a very big black eye, and I don't know, I don't enjoy talking about these things. We don't want to turn a blind eye to them. But again, they are allegations, and there is innocent improvement until proven guilty. If they are deemed to be true. It's a deplorable situation and there's going to be a huge rift in culture change in we and maybe they're already doing that right now.

46:50 But yeah, it's something we need to talk about here. You can't turn a blind eye on it. And not a great situation obviously, and we'll continue to all this as it moves forward. I'm sure, just like any lawsuit, it'll take some time to bubble back up again. But it's it's out in the face of the public eye right now and definitely cast it a dark cloud, as Cody Rhoades said in the Post Royal Rumboldt press conference over the entire weekend, and everything good W has been doing lately and hopefully as a entertainment tament brand and as a company that can move forward a little bit here and continue to just themselves from fitzsick Man, should this all be deemed true, and like I said, we'll continue to keep an eye on it as this story develops. With that said, let's give our preview predictions for NXT Vengeance Day. It comes to us this Sunday from the F and M Bank Arena in Clarksville, Tennessee. Doctor Trey, that that's kind of in your neck of the woods, right, Yeah, Clarksville's is actually only a couple hours away from me, So that was kind of like I didn't know it was literally about like it was Saturday when I actually found out that an excuse me, I mean Clarkswell, like man, I mean there's a lot of people that run inby shows up in that area, so I'm not sure how big the venue is, but uh, it's Tennessee. We they love wrestling at Tennessee and they'll they'll pack it out, so uh looking forward to to how it's presented, and hopefully they present clarks You know, we get these really cool shots of like Saint Petersburg in in Los Angeles at Miami

48:22 with the droll coverage. I don't know what they're going to shoot in Clarksville to make it look good interesting. Okay, that's good to know. Yeah, here's here's the local Wendy's there. Yeah all right, here's here's the Walmart. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, I'm gonna be keeping a close eye on that. Now. Well, I'm just gonna this is all about education. But you know, uh, you know I told you off air, like I've actually headed to Memphis this week, you know, this week, so that would be fun. So uh, we'll be able to like maybe I can get some better shots, uh, and I can sell them to WB and be like, hey, so this is not Clarksville, but most people don't know where Clarksville is. So just use these, just just do like random photos and post it on your Instagram or for Twitter and tag w W and say hey, use this for your you know, package for Clarksville, and it's like, I don't know a rest stop. What's those?

49:13 What's those big uh like rest stops down south? Puppies, BUCkies? Yes? Have you not been to one? Debt? No? Haven't we talked about this? I didn't. No, I didn't know you had not been. No, they don't have them up my way. It's like the closest is is well down in maybe like the New Jersey Delaware area. If you go like when you go to Florida, there's one, Like when you head down ninety five. There's actually one on ninety five when you cross from North Carolina South Carolina, so there'll be one on your path if you drive down, if you fly down, you're on your drive down, take the scenic drive on I ninety five. You'll pass at least one, if not two, on your way down the floor. I heard their life changing? Would you agree? The It's it's kind of like it's like walmarts in the Northeast are different than they are the South, Like they're a little smaller, little more condensed. It's like the first time you walk into a superseder or you walk into a super target, like it's like, WHOA, this is really amazing, Like it's just there's just a lot of everything. I mean there's literally like the one like there's two in Alabama now and there's literally like forty eight to sixty gas pumps at one. Wow. It's just it's massive.

50:22 Yeah, I'm sure when people heard me say, like, let's get to our NXC vengeance Previeus predictions, they did not think we were gonna get do in this rabbit hole. But here we are. I'll try to steer it back on the tracks. Here I will say, at least I didn't start singing. Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station. We'll say that. We'll say that for the end of the show. Show first match here is die Jack taking on Joe Gasey in a no disqualification match. This has been kind of a little fun minifew they've been doing on NXC, and nonetheless, I'm gonna take Joe Gasey here. I've really enjoyed his character development on NXC the last couple of weeks. Yeah, I've been trying to figure out what they're doing with Joe Gazy, says the diead less and then am I became GM like left him, but I did like him coming out of the dumpster spot on NXT, so I'm taking Joe Gacy as well. Next match here is the Family taken on OTM and a six person mixed tag team match, Doctor Trey. Who do you like this one?

51:14 Uh? Since the titles aren't on the line, I'm gonna take OTM to kind of establish them. And I'm still trying to figure out the mud that they're getting out of the explained that yet they have not they I think it's just like a social analogy that, like the Mud is trying to get out of the like where they grew up. Okay, I'll go with that one. I'll ask my friends, I'll ask please, please do Yeah, We're down with it. Doctor Trey and I. I had a tough one picking this one. I wanted to take OTM, but I'm gonna go with the Family because OTM has kind of gotten the best of them as of late. Next match is ob defend the NX North American Championship against Dragon Lee.

51:54 I'm gonna take obafeming Doctor Trey. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Oba faming this. He might be the most dominant like athlete we've seen in quite some time, Like he's got you know, the bron Breaker brock Lesner type, you know, attributes. We're like, yeah, this guy's gonna be a huge star. And I like putting in the imagine the smaller guy because it still makes him look larger than life. So I'll take Oba Femmy as well. Yeah, Oba Femi looks like he's gonna be a good wrestler. Man, He's he's got that in factor. Next match is Lyra Vikiia defend the NAC Women's Championship against Roxanne Perez. I had a tough time picking this one as well, Doctor Trey, who do you like in this one? Yeah, I've kind of gone back and forth on this one because I mean, I don't know about you. I kind of feel like Roxanne deserves the belt back after the weird way she kind of lost it. But I mean you also had Lyra beat Becky Lynch to win it, and her reign's only been a couple of months, So I think I'm I think I'm gonna go with Lyra to retain because Roxanne is getting kind of a little bit of you know, we start at the row Bull. She's been on there a couple of times. I think she might get moved up, so I'll take a Lira to retain. I'm gonna go with Roxanne Perez winning the NXC Women's Championship because I think Taam Pasley gets involved and accidentally costs Lyra Vakiri in the match.

53:07 This is a tough one to call. NXX shows are always very tough to call, so and they take and press. You can also circle back and bring into Blair devonport Angle as well, because I don't think Blair and Lyra are done either, So there youre true. Next match is Baron Corbin and Bron Breaker taking on Carmelo Hayes and Trick Williams and the Men's Dusty Roads Tag Team Classic Finals. I'm gonna take Baron, Corben and Bron Breaker in this one. Doctor Trey, Yeah, I with it. Baron needs something, hasn't won anything that's money in the bank, so and I love their dynamic. I don't know if this this is a long term tag team, but they love doing mixed match, you know tag team wins. I mean, hell some Mo with Joe and Finn Balor won this thing one year, So I'm taking Broad and Baron as well. And then finally, Elia Dragon Off defends the NXC Championship against Trick Williams Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one? Uh, Trick may be the hottest wrestler in all of w B right now. But with that being said, I think the money is still gonna be in Carmelo and Trick going at it. I think all Carmelo blames Trick for losing in the Dusty Roads Finals, he gets involved, leaving Elia to retain it. So I'm taking Ilia Dragon Off to retain I am with you, Doctor Trey. I'm gonna take Elia Dragon Off retaining the NXC Championship, and I think they obviously we agree that they will lose the Man's Dusty Road Tag Team Classic, which then leads to Carmelo Hayes getting involved in this match one way or another, whether it's trying to help out Trick and costing the match or he turns on Trick and costing the match. So both of us taking Elia Dragon Off to retain the NXC Championship, and we will recap and review this nx Vengees State pay per view on the next edition

54:42 of SRT on February eighth. With that said, let's close up shop on this week's edition of srt you and get a couple of plugs and sponsors out of the way. You can download the show every Thursday or Friday at Real Guy Radio dot com, Russell Chattannet on X and this still Real to Show iTunes feed, don't forget to rate, review and subscribed to help us on the charts on iTunes. You could follow us individually on X for myself at s RTU Jeff, and for Doctor Trey Franklin at d Doctor Trey and of course don't forget to follow a show on X at SRTU podcast. With that being said, what is going on in the one for world of Doctor Trey Franklin this week? Well, like Jeff said, you can follow me on X at the Doctor Trey. You can find me on Instagram and Facebook Doctor Trey Franklin. When you're on Facebook, be sure check out Rocket Stay Championship Wrestling is they have a big show coming up this Saturday, and Spartan Championship Wrestley, the two shows I work with in the state. You can also check out pictures and videos for both those shows. By the way, we didn't recap Samy's picks. By the way, Sammy Franklin picked two people to win the Rubble who did not even get in the Rumble. So yeah, Brock Lesner, Nicky Cross, Yeah continues Yep, no, yeah, I can't believe Nikki Cross and make the rumbo man. I completely forgot that because that would have been a slam dunk that you would have been in it.

55:54 Obviously, the stuff with Brock that took place last week clearly changed directions. Back in the old Wheelhouse Bower Show days that tray, we would call this the touch of duty, and that's what it sounds like young Sammy Franklin has when it comes to picking the Royal Rumble winners each year, because they clearly don't even make the match. Fun show, good way to start kicking off the road to WrestleMania forty. We'll have a lot more on the WrestleMania forty card as we move forward again, we will recap interview NXDVENG should say and if anything else that goes on in the world professional wrestling, like because at Jo Kata effective today is a free agent. We were recording this just before his free agency runs out in New Japan and who knows by the time this show drops, maybe he's already signed. Maybe a week from now we talk about where he is signed. So a lot of fun times going on the world Professional Wrestling until next week for Doctor Trey Franklin. I'm Jeff Pack.

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