CM Punk is back in the WWE and Survivor Series Recap | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #720 – 11/30/23

0:00 It's still welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's This in Miss Real No Show, Episode number seven and twenty for November thirty, twenty twenty three. This is your WWE Survivor series recap and review edition of as Rute You. I am one after the show, I am Jeff Peck joined every single week from my post, I want to write doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey cm punk is back in the w W my friend, So it's officially off the band list. Then, technically, because we had a rule we were not allowed to talk about is cm punk coming back to WWE for seven years? We've had that rule. Eight years we've had that rule, and now we can actually officially take it off the table. So the only thing left we can't talk about is John Cena Heelshurn. Yeah. I mean, I guess I've Seena turns heel next year. Then we've completed everything in the show. We'll wrap up right then and there and we will say goodbye. We typically kick off a show with obviously the recap interview of a major ple in Survivor series, but I feel like we can't go through the pl and not talk about this because the news cycle that is Phil cmpunk Brooks, and the history of this podcast is synonymous. Since the first time he cut the pipe bomb promo

1:38 really in twenty twelve to now, there are many, many, many episodes, especially this past year and the year prior that cmpunk has dominated the major story of each and every one of these podcasts. He has returned toe for the first time in nine years. The last time he was in World Wrestling Entertainment was the Royal Roumul of twenty fourteen. How long ago was this all? It was the PREWE Network era of anything. The WWE Network launched three weeks later. He was not part of the company then or he was away at that point. There have been nine wrestlemanie is obviously since then. How I was working in radio when I had the opportunity to interview him three times back then. That's how many years it's been. We nearly reached the ten year mark if it reached January twenty twenty four, but save us a couple months, Cmpunk is back ine. This is something we really didn't cover on last week's show because quite honestly, Doctor Trey, unless you feel differently, I went in the last week's podcast thinking it wasn't going to happen. I did not think at all Cmpunk was heading back to we did you see or read or feel anything like he was going to be showing up this past Sunday, excuse me, Saturday night. So one of the things I've kind of realized over the last victual, the last two years, is you get initial reports and then we get like two months of debunking the initial report, and

3:08 then the initial report happens. So I kind of went into Survivor series thinking like, if it was ever going to happen in a perfect storm, it would be in Chicago because you're going to get such a positive reaction from the crowd, it's gonna be hard to combat it. So I kind of went in thinking about maybe seventy percent chance he's going to show up and thirty percent chance he wasn't. Because you know, we've talked about it, You and I talked about over the past month, like you have to counterprogram Adam Copeland going to aw and if you're gonna counter program it, there's no better counterprogramming than see I'm Punk. So I was. I felt good, but it wasn't like concrete, if that makes sense. So about Friday, Friday Nights Saturday, I started seeing these like random tweets that people had said close to cmpunk, and it didn't come from like a seen ross Sapp or any major PW inside or type reporters that cmpunk. Sources close to cmpunk said that he has had had conversations with top ww Brass over the last week, and there was a report out there that he had talked to top Talent as well.

4:25 And then I saw someone share had a tweet that like in a Living color who I actually saw a concert earlier this year in place Cult of Personality had remastered Cult of Personality. It was up on Apple Music, Like this, this is really strange, Like I went into the show last week thinking that we were not gonna be talking about this a week later, and then as the show got close and I'm like, no, this this is just all bs. Like it's these random Twitter accounts that I'm seeing has come from. And Sean ross Sapp hadn't had anything out there. Wrussell Voe, which is always a very close source to WWE on Twitter or x, they had nothing.

5:10 Nick Cosmon, who's been very close to the seampunk situation, he had nothing going in there. He said that the sources he was talking to he felt like he was not going to be in Chicago at Survivor's series of War Games, and so I just went in the show thinking, Oh, this isn't going to happen. And then, obviously, as we all know, the famous end credits graphic that has come up that was synonymous with NXC takeovers that we remember with goes up at the end of War Games, Cempunk's music hit and it is the most surprised and shocked I have been as a professional wrestling fan in probably thirty years. We live in a day and age, Doctor Trey, and this is a good thing. Let me say that.

5:55 Start off that with we live in a day and age where you go on X, you go on your wrestling news websites, you listen to podcasts likes ours, and you see tea leaves of what could be happening or what will be happening, and things start to leak and spoilers start to come out, and the surprise still happens, and there's a lot of excitement in there, but it's like a seventy five to ninety percent feeling of joy and excitement that it came to. This was one hundred percent shock and surprise, something that you don't see nowadays. It's pre Internet era. I can't think of anything off the top of my head that this is reminiscent or similar to. And I loved absolutely everything about it. And I immediately thought to myself, maybe it's time I stopped reading wrestling news websites. But I'm so damn addictive to it, and we have to do podcasts, so I can't do that.

6:43 But I loved it, Doctor Tray. It took me back to my childhood in days when you didn't know what was going on, and if you did, you had a dial a one nine hundred number and pay ninety nine cents a minute and rack up your grandmother's phone bill. Because I did that several times and gotten a lot of trouble for it. But regress, it was a beautiful moment, Doctor Trey. I loved it. We'll start picking apart the interests of it all, but the surprise and shock factor. Holy crap. My job was on the floor Saturday night. Yeah, so I got I got spoiled on it, Like I did not watch the Virus Serves Life, So I purposely stayed off of try to stay off all social media until I got a chance to watch the show, because there was that part of this thinking like, yeah, it's probably gonna happen, because not only did there was that initial report and then nothing, but I also went back to the previous year when they were in Chicago and he had the conversation with Triple Ah and it was Vince that asked him to leave. I saw his you know, his Twitter, his ex account, you know, kind of posting a couple of things from you know, the the old school Devil photo from you know, the old old w w DA's Like I was like, there's something here, so I have purposely stayed away. And then of course one of my friends has to screenshot the TV and text it to me like can you believe this is happening? And I was like such a jerk, Like but still I was. I didn't tell my wife, and so we watched Survivor series Sunday and the end of the show comes up and she's like,

8:15 well, that's a pretty good show, and I'm like, it's not over yet, and then you hear the music hit and she's a dieharcy I'm punk fan. So I got to at least experience the joy and adulation through her eyes. But I was still pumped because not only is you know, Punk one of our favorite performers in the history of this show. I just started going, Man, it's gonna be really really interesting to see where this goes, what happens, what's a work, what's a shoot? Where are these people gonna fall in line? I was just got really really excited about it. And to me, the only thing comparable to this was the Hardy Boys return. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good comparison because they wrestled the night before in a ladder match with the Young Bucks, and I was like, there's no way they're gonna show up at Wrestle Media because of the fact they were just on a show, albeit down the road, but like, they're not gonna come over and in the next night. So that was the only thing recently I compared it to. But even that there was there was not the bridge burning with the Hardys and WWE as there was with Cmpunk, And so in terms of that, I mean for the shock value and then look, I'm gonna still aligne the hell freezing over aspect of it.

9:41 This is the most shocking thing I've seen in thirty years, because you have to, like, the only thing comparable would be Goldberg in a sense when Goldberg first came back because of the animasity with him and Triple H. What about Brett, Yeah, yeah, I bred as well, but like Brett did I mean it guess Golbert also like those two with how bad the bridges were burnt, but by the time they appeared, we kind of knew it was coming. So like this on shock value and overcoming Bridges, man, like, I really can't think of anything else outside of that, Like in the last twenty thirty years, it just goes to show you that professional wrestling like it it ultimately always works itself out and there's that shock surprise.

10:26 I can't believe I'm watching this on my television that you can't get anywhere else. Watch Survivors there at the end of it multiple times and had that feeling. Watched Monday Night Raw, watch that segment at the end with Punk multiple times, and that's the feeling I had. And for those fans that are you know, Aw's only fans or seeing Punk only fans, it's it's like, well, I mean, what's the big deal? We just saw him on television, you know, eight weeks ago, twelve weeks ago, in All Lead Wrestling, and it's like, yeah, no, I get that. And Punk coming back to wrestling is something I never thought I would see again. And he came back two years ago, but I never thought that I would see him Punk back in a ring once he went to All Lead Wrestling. Once aw happened, I felt like, this is how he's going to end his career. This is the twilight. If he ever comes back to w WI, it's they mended fences. It's some sort of legends contract.

11:18 Maybe he works one match, but he goes into Hall of Fame and you know, tips his hat to the fans, and that's really it, because you know, that's like what other people who had burned bridges with the company, like the late Great Ultimate Warrior did, and I could see that being reminiscent. I never thought that brawl out twenty twenty two and then the all in fight with Jack Perry and then the firing, and my life was threatened that Tony Kahn say would would have led down this road. You know, everything that you had read was that w was not interested right away, and it's just completely shocking. It's wild because he comes back Thanksgiving weekend twenty twenty three and Thanksgiving twenty fourteen was when the Art of Wrestling podcast when he and Colt Combana came out. That led to a couple of lawsuits here and there. It was the first time Punkin spoke since his firing from w leaving WWI, he did not speak for about the entire situation for nearly eleven months, and in that interview, he tore apart w Medical, he tore apart Vince rick Mann, he tore apart Triple H, he tore a part the company, and basically vowed to never go back. So here we are nine years later, and he's returned the time heels all wound, all that stuff.

12:43 A lot of people have a lot of different opinions on this, Doctor Trey, Like, what are your thoughts on this when it comes to the man sampunk here, you know, he's returned to the company that he lamb basted pretty damn hard. He's being called the hypocrite. People are saying he's the best hypocrite in the world. Do you agree with those assumptions? Like what's the vibe here? Because we're still trying to It's it's Wednesday night that you and I recorded this for the Thursday download, and I'm still trying to get my head around this. Yeah, I mean, once again, I think Triple H said best of one of his commas calls. He goes, it's been ten years. I mean, you and I have been doing this show for twelve, thirteen, fourteen years. You and I are not the same people we were ten years ago. If people held us to the same things we adamly said ten years ago, they would call us hypocrits as well.

13:31 You know, things change, time changes, time heals all wounds, and you know, for me, like the fact that he went to do the SmackDown show with Renee, you know, and still was affiliate with w E know you mean backstage, backstage, Yes, the fact that he was on that show. That to me like, you don't work that show unless you're gonna have some contact with WWE. And I would have been more adamant that he was a hypocrite then that I am now, because why would you be in bed with a company even though you're not technically under ww contract, but you're still working for a WWE show when you so adamly said you would never work there again. Well, you're kind of working there at this point.

14:18 I look at like, look, AW rekindled his love of professional wrestling, and when you fall in love, when you fall in love and fall out of love, that fall back in love, it's really hard to get that out of your system. And you know, for lack of a their term here, the fire still burns for him with professional wrestling, and you know you're gonna take advantage of it. To me, I look at it like one of the things and I said after brawl out was if AW smart, you capitalize on the business aspect of what this can do for your company. Because everybody like, if we had done one see them Punk Kenny Omega match, where would AWB at today? If we did one CM Punk or CMFTR the Elite match, where would AWP at today? But they didn't capitalize on because they're playing to people's egos and people's feelings being hurt and stuff like that. WWE's they're about business and if you could do business, they're gonna make it work somehow. And that just shows you that triple H. If it's smart for business, you will find a way to where to make it work. And you and I sat here for years and talked about how much fence mending that guy can do. Whether it was the Ultimate Warrior, whether it's Bruno, Sam Martino, you know, whoever it was that swore they would never come back and be a part of the company. It was Triple h that mended those fences to get people back in. You and I never

15:50 thought Cody Rose would ever be back at WWE, and he's there now because it was best for business. And it's a shame that's it's such becomes such a catch for But at the end of the day, you do what's best for the company as a whole, because nobody in this something Vince talked about years ago. No one person is bigger than the WWE. People are going to come, people are going to go, but the company has to survive all of these things. And Vince learned when Hogan left and Hogan started, you would go into Hollywood how much of a hit the company could take if everything was built around one guy and built around or a small group of egos.

16:30 He's never made that mistake again. Hunter's learned from that. He's made sense for you know, all these people to come back to the company we never thought would be there again. And this is just an example of we have to do it's best for the company as a whole. And I am a Froba cosa like if the amazing, amazing thing about this whole thing is me reading that he cited a multiple a multi year deal. I thought he would do a one. I thought, at best it'd be like a one year deal with like some it's like, you know, you signed obj Odell Beckham Junior or you sign Antonio Brown. You're not signing those guys long term. He goes down to a one year deal and make them prove it. I thought they would do a one year deal. The fact that Hunter has enough confidence to go no, I'll sign do a multi year deal and I can keep him in line and keep him focus on what we need to focus on shows a lot of confidence in himself, the company, the culture, and everything else. You got to tip your cap to w W because they've always said that, you know, they'll do what's best for business, so if the fans want it, they will deliver no matter what the burden bridge was that led into it, and they clearly have shown that again and again and again. There was a period of time that nobody thought Hulkchan would come back to w W. He came back. There's a period of time that they thought Brett Hart would never come back. He came back, Doctor Tray, said Goldberg. He came back, came to the company, and then came back again. It's just it's wild. It really is what w will do for the sake of their business, and you got to tip their your

18:00 cap to them for that, whether you like them or not, Like they will do what the fans want and what helps their business, dot matter how personal it may be. Yeah, it's completely wild, Doctor Trey. This is a really important time in Cmpunk's career. The last fourteen months have not been kind to him in the news cycle because he's had a couple backstage altercations. There's been reports of demands and attitude problems. And if you like seeing Punk, the story is very positive. If you dislike Cempunk, the story could be very negative. He is a polarizing figure. He was publicly fired by the number two wrestling promotion in the United States of All Elite Wrestling by Tony Kahan, who said quote, I felt my life was threatened, like that's some pretty serious stuff that's being thrown out there by an owner of another wrestling company. Much of this is a redemption story for CM Punk. How much of this is his last chance? How much of this is him saving his legacy and professional wrestling. I mean, I think a lot of it is cementing his legacy. I think, like if you look went back and looked at the career of cy up Punk, it's kind of like I'm trying to like, like Tom Brady, Look look at Tom Brady. Tom Brady had a great run to Patriots, you know, and then he had the

19:32 good start in Tampa Bay, but the career didn't finish up great. I don't think Tom Brady's legacy is diminished by the last couple of years into Tampa, you know. Joe Montana, Like I'm a diehard Dinners fan, Joe Montana's last couple of years of Kansas City. It's not take away from the legacy of Joe Montana to be if you look at the career CM Punk, like you look at the guys, Arguably, the guy's a Hall of Famer. You know, he got over every single where he went. He became polarizing every single where he wins and then took seven years off and then came back and a company literally built an entire show for him and not to mention two time aw world champions. So I think his legacy is not in danger, but he needs to have a good run here to kind of quell those doubters, those people that want to you know, bash him for how he's running adw ended. I mean, but if you go back and look at almost every single person in the history of wrestling when they left a company that was never nobody ever mutually parts ways, you know, acrimoniously, They're always gonna there's usually always an edge or something bad that happens to cause the separation.

20:42 So this is his chance to kind of re cement that legacy ended on a positive note and you know, like you said, get the most out of it while you can before you wrap things up. So I for him, I think this is just a chance to kind of you know, clear everything up and end things on a high notes. Yeah, what do you so is that the main motivation here? Like, what what do you think is driving him to get back to Dotie Wie. Is Is it the redemption? Then? Yeah, I think part of it is you know, kind of Cody finishing the story in a sense, like you know, if you have an opportunity to come back and you're not under the same leadership of places under like you and I have both works of places that things didn't end well for us. And if that company ever came back to us and they're like, hey, we got a whole new leadership, meet with who's in charge.

21:33 Now, see if you like the fit, we can try it again, you would at least listen to what they have to say. It's also a way of him looking and going, look, I tried to make the other place more professional. Obviously they didn't like it. So here's my chance to come work somewhere else with the structure, with organization and kind of stick it to those guys and show them what they're missing out on. So it's a little bit of redemption and a little bit of building on that legacy and and things anything's properly, I guess, yeah. Do you think this is also a case of the grass isn't always greener on the other side, Like he was in aw for for two years. I know he was injured for you know, a decent amount of it. On that second here, but is this him like being in AW and going like, holy crap, I had it good in w W. I think that's very true for a lot of folks, a lot of folks who grow up in the WW system.

22:26 When they go to AW, it's you know, the organization is, the structure's not there like it is in WWE, and when you're in w W kind of takes some of those things for granted. And because it's so normal, it's like, oh, like this is always taking care for me, or this is always handled for me, or somebody else handles this in an AAW. You know, you go back from travel thing for you know, for all In and Webley Stadium and that was an issue. It's like, yeah, we don't hear about those things. And the history of the show. We've had what the Saudi Arabia incident, like the real travel issue and the plane ride from Hell, so two travel issues in twenty years, twenty thirty years, and you I have watched wrestling, you know, but you hear about that a little more often with AW. You know, the structure, the egos and things like that. The leaks that come out of AW, you typically don't hear about those things. In ww unless they want you to hear about them. So, you know, it is kind of like, you know, so when you've been somewhere for a very long time, you kind of take things for granted. You try somewhere else out because they promise all this stuff, and you get there, you're like, yeah, the creative freedom might be there, but there's no structure, there's no organization, there's no the sandbox isn't structured. You're just running off and down a beach with not knowing where the boundaries are. So I think this is you know, him in a structured environment is usually very successful him when things don't go, I would say to his liking, but in the normal sense is

23:57 when he fights back. I mean, his time in TNA wasn't great because there wasn't that infrastructure there. His time in you know, OVW wasn't great because there was you know, he had one person that reported to, but the other people were telling them other things. So once he got to WWE, it was really like the launching point because there was that structure, there was that finite voice of everything runs through this one person, where I don't think that's always the case. At AW there was obviously two things he said during his promo that shocked the hell out of me because I never thought I would hear see Hi Punk say these words. But standing in a w W ring holding a microphone on Monday night raw, he said, quote, I'm home. How shocking was that to hear a little bit? But it's it's the prodigal son, like he right now is the epitome of like we talked about, they called Cody that when he returned. Punk's the same way.

24:56 Punk is the prodigal son. He's the kid that wanted to run off and do things on his own and rebel against dad and everybody else. And you know now that he's older and wiser and you know, appreciates the structure, I guess then it is shocking. But in reality, if you think about it, it makes sense, like that's the company that made him who he is. He might be Chicago made Punk, but in reality he's fas mc man made Punk and WW made Punk. So him coming back is kind of like a homecoming for him. Last question here, doctor Trevi, before start to recap reviewed Sarar series war games, where do we go from here?

25:37 The end of Cervar series war games? He returns a lot of video of Seth freaking Ronalds freaking out. The belief is that was Rollin's working an angle, even though it looked really really legit and serious, which if it was him working an angle, major props to him, perfect way to do it, I would imagine it is. If he was actually acting out like that, it would be not rate. Yeah, So where do we go from here with CM punk? What's what's the what's the next six to twelve months look like? Here? I think we have Seth Rowlands WrestleMania partner. I think right now you would on paper and you go, well if if the Rock's not coming back, and I think that's where you and I are at now, Like I don't think you make the CM punk stigning if you know, Duanne Johnson's coming back to WrestleMania, So we do coding and Roman.

26:26 You need you need somebody for CM punk. I mean you need somebody for Seth Rowlins that makes sense and gets y rates. And it's the same thing you and I talked about with Kenny Omega. You felt like there was real life heat. Real life heat translates a good business if there is real life heat between Seth rawlins and sea a punk. Why would you not capitalize on that at the biggest st Joe Mall So, I think that's gonna be Seth supported for WrestleMania. Where we go after that is the question, like do you put the title, Like do you trust see them Punk enough to put it's the World Heavyweight Championship on him at wrestle Media and it does. If that's the case, I think I don't think you go that wrong. I think Seth wins and then Punk turns heel because I think right now he's gonna kind of float in the middle between now and then teasing the tension, teezy on that stuff, and then you know we've seen before, You get that great pop, that happy crowd, everybody loves the guy, and then kind of let that initial honeymoon period wear off and then you can turn him healed and he'll still sell merchandise. People love him as a heel. Either that or see him Punk goes the route that Drew McIntyre didn't, you know, starts blaming everybody else in the Seth turns heel. But I think that's the route you go is you let Seth retain and wrestle Media. You let Cody Way at wrestle Media, then you have the Heels chasing the baby faces for a little bit. But I think the honeymoon here will be to wrestled Media and then we'll find out what the real seam Punk is coming out, because as much as we all want to see SETH and Punk go at it,

27:59 I still think Roman Cody close up the show, and then Puck still hasn't made events in the WrestleMania obviously talked about in his mind anyway. Obviously, Doctor Trey and I are not in the locker room of All Lee Wrestling, But it appears to me from the outside looking in that the similar mindsets of the Cody Roads, Jade Card Gill, and now CM Punk, very similar mindsets have ended up in w and left All Lee Wrestling and the folks that are more of the mindset of the elite's way of thinking, of the young Bucks and Kenny Omega, they've Remaine Aw. There are people on the AW roster that to me are Cody Roads Cmpunk type people. Look at the original first couple episodes of Collision, the Ricky Starks, the Revival, FTR Powerhouse, Hobbs, wardlows of the world that were a little bit more team Cody, team mindset of Jade and I guess team Cmpunk than what would be perceived in the rest of all Lee wrestling. Makes you wonder if some other folks could be on their way to WI in twenty twenty four. And beyond being that, the Cmpunk's Jade card gills Cody road to the world with a company we talked on last week's show. We'll talk about him later on the current AW World champion MJF. I don't think he's gonna be one of those names that makes their way over to we now based on present reports coming from THEE side, But boy, this is a really interesting, intriguing and fun time.

29:27 And I know we're not at the end of the year officially yet, but all I could think of when the Punk stuff happened after a really good Survivor series war Games was like, Man, I think twenty twenty three, Doctor Trey maybe the best year of professional wrestling we've ever covered in the history of this podcast, whether it be the in ring stuff that's going on, the storylines, the events themselves, the news stories that have come out this year. This has been an absolutely phenomenal year for professional wrestling. I thought it was fitting that we had a very phenomenal end to Survivors series this past Saturday night. Yeah. The funny thing was, I remember when we did the year in Reward for twenty twenty two, we did like a news story of the year. You and I sat here and said, like in any other year we had covered the show any one I think of that four or five options we were looking at. Any one of them and any other year could have been news story of the year. And you look at it now and go with seeing Plug returns to WWE, Edge goes to AWLD, w sold, Vince doesn't have any power like any one of those things could be story of the year. And those three things, those four things really just happened in the last five months. That's not counting together seven months before it.

30:48 So from a news point of view, from entering point of view, yeah, twenty twenty three has been a year. But then again, we also have more wrestling available to watch on television now than we ever have before. So if you're punching or putting out that much content, by got it better, because at least otherwise you're people going to get Overgill and you're oversaturated the market, and I don't think we're at that. I think we get to those tipping points of times where it's like there's too much, and then you have a week like this, you're like, Okay, I can't get enough. I want to see more CMPUK and WB. I want to see more Adam Coelan and AW. I want to see what AW responds to the counter program to CMPUK STEPT. Like I got to tune into like all these other shows this week just to kind of figure out what's going on because my appetite is still wanting more even though I have wrestling on my TVs usually six nights a week. Yeah yeah, I mean for me, I think the AWWW stuff and AWW taking shots like we're recording this durned donamit right now?

31:48 Maybe there's been a couple of shots that have been fired. I don't really want to hear it anymore. In all honesty, like wrestling is really good right now because of aw pushing WWE, and I think that's great for professional wrestling fans, not just WWE fans, not just AW fans, as professional wrestling fans. Is that these two major companies that pushed each other. And from what I've learned over the last twenty three years twenty two to twenty three years since WW closed to AW launching in twenty nineteen, is we need to live in a world in the United States at least where there are two prominent wrestling companies pushing one another like AW and WR right now, because that is what benefits us. Why was the late ninety so good in ninety six, two, two thousand and one because W versus WW is going on? Why is wrestling so good in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three because AW ANDW are pushing each other right now. It's great for US wrestling fans. And I guess in a famous person one said, just kind of soak it in, man. So it's it's good times, It really is. It's it's mind blowing right now that we're talking about cmpunk back in we But that's where we're at right now. With that said, let's get into w W Survivor Series War Games recap review. It came to us this past Saturday from the Alsidareen in Rosemont, Illinois. The first match here Doctor Trey was Bianca bell Ara start Flair Shotzi and Becky Lynch defeating Damage Control in the women's Wargames match.

33:15 We both had Bianca Bella Aira's team to getting the victory. This match got better and better and better as it progressed. The final spots where the Wargames match began once everyone was in the ring was really good, obviously something Biggest Companies. Bailey was considered to be Damage Control's MVP by the commentators. Made several saves but ended up taking the pin. Those moments will help get her over as a vaceho w creative go forward with Damage Control turning on her like I suspect, very fun match. As I said before, it got better and better and better as it went on. Doctor Treyer thoughts on the Women's Wargame match, Yeah, I thought it was a damn good Wargames match. My only knock on it was Kyrie saying still a little bit out of sync with everybody else in the match, Like there was some noticeable spots she kind of missed outside of that storytelling whise everything else. I thought it was spot on and and maybe we get the Three horse Women versus uh, you know, Oscar, Kyrie and Eu at some point and maybe that's the route they go, but I thought overall it was it was a really really good female or women's wargame match. Next match has gone through defeeding the Miss to retaining w w Intergunt littlechampionshp've both had gone through getting the victory. Solid match.

34:22 I liked how the Miss tried every trick in the book to defeat Gunther. The crowds behind this match and wanting to see Miss get the upset victory. I'm pretty sure a bad or mediocre match for Gunthor just does not exist. Doctor try No, it's it's he's eerily reminiscent to when you know Johnny Gargano and Chopper and the Ring or anybody like that. Was like, yeah, I just don't think he has bad matches, And I love the fact that you know the Miss. It was it was a mixed entrance as far as the crowd responds, but by the end, the crowd is fully invested in the Miss, and it's it's always fun when you see that heel turned baby face, but he still keeps his heel tendencies and the crowds still eats it up, which also tells you how over Gunther is as a villain as well, So really really fun match, and you know they tease the kind of continuing on on Raw and maybe we get Diy and Miz against the Imperium as simple. I don't I don't really know if that's the route to go, but it's fun when the Miz is actively involved in storylines because he's soaked on the bike and look, he's so underrated the ring, like he can have a good match, but just about anybody as well. Next match here is Santos Escabar defeeding Dragon Lee. We both at Santos Escuar getting victory.

35:29 Were originally predicted to be Santo's versus Carlito. They ran the injury Angry on Friday SmackDown Solid match. I was very happy to see Escobar and Dragon Lee, who was filming for the inter Carlito, get this opportunity and Survivor series card. I could really see Santos Escar and Dragon and Lee having a long time rivalry slash feud that could define their careers. I feel like this is just the beginning of seeing Escabar and Lee wrestle each other on a polee solid match. Doctor Trea Santa's Escuar got the victory. This could almost end up being like, I don't say the mid card version, but like the Hispanic version of Sena and Orton in a sense, like these two guys could really help ingratiate WW even more into the Hispanic culture, much like Ray did during his peak. Like these guys could really carry the brand that way if we ever get like an NAT Latin America or something like that, Like these guys are the future of that division of WW. Like I thought, the match is really good. Everybody was into it, the crowd was behind it.

36:28 The crowd was all over Santo's escabar, which I thought you post apparently to be a heal and WW just beat up Bravest Dieo and everybody hates you. So it worked for Dominic, it's working for Santo's just keep doing that approach. But Santo's the kid's got something. He's going to be a bigger star if they ever give him the ball to run with, Like he's just got everything. He's just so smarmy and just dirty, like you just want to hate him. So it's the perfect role for him to be. A Dragons is a good underdog. It is a really good comparison to kind of run. It's a really good pairing for them to run for years to come. Next match here is Rie Ripley defeating Zoe Start to retain the Women's World Championship, but we both had Ria Ripley getting the victory. It's starting to feel like the real Ripley Women's World Championship reign is going to be similar to the dominant Fashion and Roman reigns, and Guntha have been booked with their titles.

37:22 It looks it feels like no one in the women's division on raws anywhere near the level of Ria Ripley right now. While I was happy that Zoe Starks, who was extremely talented, got this opportunity iNeST of Barbers series, it never really fell close in this match. Doctor try Rea retains, Yeah. I saw people kind of knocking Zoe Zoe during the match. I thought Zoe get fantastic in this match. I think the problem was the build up to get it because she hasn't been presented like a top nochell Yo. I mean, it wasn't that long ago she was backing Nutrition and the Becky Lynch puties. She hasn't had a lot of time to really develop depth to her character to make people buy into her. I think from an inn ring performance wise, I think she was fought on during the match, Like I think it's going to come down to Rumble. If Bianca wins the Rubble, we get Bianca and rip Rhea, then that's really the only person left other than Becky for her to really challenge for this title. And with Becky being tied up with the Damage Control story line, I think that just shows you that Bianca's probably be the odds on favorite to win the Rubble to challenge Ria in WrestleMania next match. Here is Cody Roade, Seth Freaking Roalds, Jay us So, Sammy's Ain, and Randy Orton defeating the Judgment Day Andrew McIntyre and the Men's War Games match. I had Cody's team Doctor trade the Judgment d Andrew McIntyre. Great War Games match. I'm very happy to see Randy Orton back in the Sports Circle and he looked like he did not miss a beat after double fusion back surgery. The match flowed well and I thought it was interesting that Damian Priest took the pin. I feel like the Women's and Men's War Games matches that will have similar fallouts for Gardan people who took the pins.

38:51 Maybe the men's situation will take a little bit longer to play out than we will see with Bailey. I also felt like, because I've seen a lot of people writing this on X and what happen to you? I also felt like the CM Punk return to w WE did not overshadow how great this match was. Cody Seam wins the Men's War Games match Doctor Trey. All Right, first of all, we left something out that was really really important. Our truth also returned to w W very true. Yes, I was gonna leave with that. Then Punk came back, so for like, I saw something pos on Twitter, like wrestling fans are happy punch Back, Old school fans are heavy Organs back legends are happy that Archer of the Back because that guy is comedy gold. I mean that that skit was to be gone awful he said, and then putting him in there with pretty Deadly and and otis just shows you that they believe in those guys to be comedic talents as well.

39:39 The Magic self was fine, It was it was good. I loved as soon as Organ got back in the ring. By the way, I love the storyline of Range music not hitting, bringing RhE out to use the cash in dand Randy's music hit and ruining it because I also sets up potentially Randy and Damian Priest, you know, heading into WrestleMania. It's easy if that's a route they want to go. But Randy or dear God, that man not only did not miss it beating the ring, he looks better now that I think he ever has before. Like he looks like he put out about twenty thirty pounds a muscle, Like he just looks amazing. It's funny to see him look like the monster in a match when we're so used to him being kind of overshadowed size wise by you know, John Cena and Batista during his prime days. But matches it was fine. I love the Jay Husso spot him where he remembers what happened, and then Jay superkicks to save him. So that was all funny good. I don't think the match got overshadowed by I see him bung either. I thought the storyline stuff all made sense. I thought it was a very very cohesive storytelling Organs match that has fallout. It's done an end to a rivalry is actually still just another branch on the street. Yeah, it was. It was a really good match, Randy. I agree, looked phenomenal again. It's amazing that the guy is back in the ring after double fusion back surgery. Really fun match.

41:07 The Wargames match matches in w We've always been really good. It's it's amazing that this concept from NWAWCW has come over and superseded the WE concept of actually Survivors Series. But I'm down with it, and uh, it was a fun nine overall payview predictions record. I went five and oh, Doctor Trey went four and one. I'm one twenty and forty one, Doctor Trey one, twelve and nine. As we reached the end of twenty twenty three here with just a couple of shows to go. Event rating and match the night, I gave Survivors Series a four point one out of five and my match match of the night was the Men's at Wargames match Doctor Trey. Yeah, I gave it a four point zero out of five. Yeah, I'll go to Men's war Game match or just because the Randy return really held it, like the calamities, the crazy spots like that's always good. I really enjoyed gunther Biz so but the Wargames match really kind of did you know, end the show on a good note, so you go. Feel free to chime in at SRTU podcast on Xoorfacebook dot com. Slash is so real to show and anythink we've talked about here so far in this week's edition of SRTU.

42:15 With that debt said, we unfortunately have to close out this week's edition of the podcast with some bad injury news. According to reports, MJF has a torn labrum and he's also dealing with a recently dislocated hip that was popped in Doctor Trey again. And we are both recording this during Dynamite, so I'm sure there's been some sort of injury update. All signs are pointing to him wrestling on December thirtieth in his hometown of Long Island, New York, at World's End to defend the AW World Championshi against Samoa Joe Doctor Trey. AW cannot catch a break here with these freakin' injuries. I mean, I feel absolutely awful for AW. I feel absolutely awful for MJF. What's for the World champ Well, I mean it's it's odd because typically we get an injury like a torn laboram usually you're out for a few months. But we in the past, aw has taken titles off people put him on somebody else.

43:14 We have the interim championships things like that. Hell we did with see him Punk, you know we didn't, so h I'm gonna be curious to see what the fallout of the show is if they name an interim champion, because you know, you don't want this guy getting any more hurt now. Luckily for him, his opponent coming up at World's End. It's about Joe, who's one of the safest wrestlers in the world outside of the Tyson Kid Fluke injury. Outside of that, I've never heard anybody say anything bad about working with about Joe in the ring, so Joe can take care of him. But you know, this is kind of what you gill when you have a guy wrestling twice at night on every pay per view, like you're gonna get wear and tear on it. And for a company that kind of did away with house shows to save wrestler's bodies, they do have a crazy amount of injuries, and maybe that's because of the style that they wrestle. I don't know what it is. I mean, it can't all be just fluke injuries.

44:12 If it's just the sheer volume of injuries they keep getting. Yeah, it's it's strange, right, Like, I don't know, I just feel really obviously, really bad here about what's going on. But I mean it's this table spot that he did where he still wanted to go through. J White had gone gone already, the table had collapsed. I mean, it's it's really biting him in the ass right now, obviously, and it just seems like it's so snake bitten sometimes. Yeah, I mean some of it I can get, because we do. They have brought all over a lot of older guys, you know, the Brian daniels Is of the world. I mean hadham Cole stuff. I mean that's just straight flukiness. To have the concussion then come back and break your ankle. They do have an inordinate amount of concussion injuries, maybe more so than anything else I've seen in the in a long time. But just I mean the Mosley injuries, you know, the guys like that, They're constantly getting beat up, and it's like, I thought, you guys came here for a lighter schedule, but you're wrestling every match like it's your wrestled Mania match. You're gonna get your body beat up, and you know, are you giving yourself enough time to recuperate?

45:17 And that was you know, you go back to I think it was twenty fourteen, you ne were doing the show, and w had a crazy rash of injuries because they were doing the combined super shows all the time, and then guys were going out and working three more. They were wrestling five times a week. It was like going into Wrestlming thirty two in Dallas. It was awful. Yeah, And that's what I feel like aw does right now between Rampage Collision, Dynamite, Dynamite and then you know, they keep having all these special shows and everything like like that, like every guy is wrestling their matches like it's the last match they're ever going to wrestle in. Unfortunately, it might end up being that way for somebody here before long, because they're just beating themselves up to try and get noticed and sometimes less as more guys just keep it simple, you know. I just I think that's one of the biggest issues they have, is that there's there's so many guys trying to get over that they're doing way too much to get over and it's not always Dan ring work that gets you over. Yeah, very true.

46:15 It doesn't always have to be big, big spots and c at look at Tony Storm. It's just a character change. Very true, very very true. All Right, I think that'll do it for this week's edition, amsr TU. I hate to end it on such a sour note there, but hopefully we have some positive news with MJF here going into the next couple of days into next week's edition the podcast. We will be back next week to kick off the month of January excuse me December on December the seventh, and we back for episode number seven and twenty one, and we will be previewing predicting NXT Deadline that will be taking place that Saturday, one of the It's the last show from the WE brand that year before World's End and aw wraps up for the rest of the year. Friendly re minder for everybody, we announce on the last week's edition the podcast, so hope everybody to good Thanksgiving our upcoming holiday programming schedule. On Thursday, the twenty first of December, we look back on our twenty twenty three Bold Predictions on Thursday, December twenty eighth. We wrap up the year with the twenty twenty three srt Award Show Special, and then we kick off twenty twenty four on January the fourth with the twenty twenty four Wrestling Previous Show. We'll have our bold predictions in there, and of course are wrestling forty card predictions. All that and more in just a couple of weeks here on SRTU. As our holiday programming schedule is right around the corner, would that say, let's get a couple of plugs and sponsor the way. You can download show every Thursday or Friday at Real Guide Radio dot com, Russell Chatnet on X and the Cell Real of the Show iTunes feed. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to help us coming charts on iTunes. You can followus individually on X for myself at SRTU Jeff, and for Doctor Trey Franklin at the Doctor Tray, and of course

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