All In Recap + Payback & All Out Preview | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #707 – 8/31/23

0:00 It's stupid up. Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition. This st real No Show Episomber seven hundred and seven for August thirty first, two thousand and forty three. Welcome to your eight of you all in TIVI do We Payback and a w all out edition of s R to you. I am one a the show. I am Jeff Peck joined every single week in. My goal is one only Dctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey. Labor Day is nothing short of no wrestling, my friend. Yeah, you know, for labor I'm like, yeah, you know, maybe we should take it easy, relax, appreciate how hard you and I have worked all year, how hard our families have worked all year. And then you look over the over your shoulder at professional wrestling, You're like, oh, those are just working their tails off this week. So yeah, I gotta give those guys for everything they got going on and what they just went through and everything else.

1:07 So all mad respect and admiration to the world of professional wrestling for what they got coming up of the last ten days. So we will recap, review, aw all in, we will preview, predict, WWE back, Payback, and aw all Out All on this week's edition the show. So we got a lot to discuss, so let's dig right into a dot trend. Start with aw all in this past Sunday from Wembley Stadium in London, England. The first match on the card was MJF and Adam Cole defeating Assie Open to win the ROH World Tag Team Championship ID MJFF and Adam Cole dot trade Assie Open fun way to kick off the show. The kangaroo kick and double clothesline were extremely over surprise, there was nothing big in this match to set up for the main event later that night. I was happy for Aussie Open to get the spot as they are a great tag team. We have new ROH Tag Team champions Doctor Trey. Yeah, so I'm with you. It was a solid match and assiep we got a nice you know the rub so to speak. But once again, like it didn't really set up the main event later in the show. So it's like all right, and then now you're gonna have the complication of what do you have the Ring of Honor tag team tiles because are you gonna make MJF and Adam Cole go get on a ring of honor television to defend those belts like it's kind of confusing, so but solid match entertaining, you know, and Aussie Open gets a nice little rub. This next match is going to lead to a lot of discussion the sandwiched match, I would say, as Hook defeats Jack Perry to win the

2:39 FTW Championship, we did not predict this match, as we did not know this match is going to occur when we recorded last week's edition the show. These are the notes that I wrote literally after the match was over. I was surprised that Hook won this match because I thought another victory for Jack Perry would have helped to continue growing a new heel persona. But I suppose they wanted to wrap up this feud. I did love of the real glass shout out by Jack Perry during the match, alluding to the report about him wanting to use real glass on a collision and Seampunk not allowing it several weeks ago. There's lots of discuss what happened postmatch here, Doctor Trey, but let's talk about this match itself here. As Hook defeats Jack Perry, Are you on the Hook bandwagon? I never really have been. I gotta be honest, I don't understand it. I like the kid, but I don't really understand the hype. Yeah, and that's that's kind of where I'm at.

3:32 Like, I like Hook. I think down the road he can be a really good wrestler. He is just severely undersized right now. Anyway, anyway, you're wrestling Jack Perry, and Jack Perry looks like the bigger wrestler. You know, you're undersized, So there are there are certain things that pop up, and I'm like, that doesn't make a ton of sense. But you know, like you said, they gotta kind of move on from this feud if they're setting up Jack Perry for something else. Yeah, the title really, in the minds of most people doesn't really mean anything. So giving it back to Hook, I just it's more legacy in tradition than anything else. So kind of wanted it more. If you're gonna have Jack Perry losing this situation, maybe a little more of a sloppier win, if that makes sense, Like not clean, but you know, it is what it is, and now these guys can move on to something else. So let's talk about what happened in between here. Doctor Trey because during all In, very early on, as I believe the Cmpunk Samoa Joe match was taking place, which will obviously break down here, momentarily, reports were circulating that there was some sort of altercation between Jack Perry and Cmpunk. We've talked about the Jack Perry Cmpunk class spot on previous episodes. At this point, I'm gonna imagine all wrestling fans that are listening to this podcast know what this is all about and what happened with the glass spot. I don't need to reopen that story and recor hated for the one million time. I would assume that most people

5:02 know what happened between Punk and Jack Perry backstage at all out all in, excuse me your thoughts here, Doctor Trey. Here we are again, where weeks after the Hangman page shout out, post collision, Seampunk is in a world of controversy again. There is still, as you and I record this episode, there's still no clear cut explanation as to what happened. There's reports that Jack Perry approached Punk, There's reports that Punk approached Jack Perry. What we do know is that an altercation between the two happened. Jack Perry was sent home Seampunk was sent home. We're recording this during Dynamite on Wednesday night, so we believe that both have been suspended. How do you appeal this apart because once again Seampunk is in the crossairs of a controversy and all Elite wrestling. It's it's tricky because you hear for reports about different things, so you don't really know where the truth lies leading into this because you know, last week we get heard that Jack Perry didn't get approval from Tony Kahn or Hupper Management to do the glass spot and you know, and Punk vetoed it it is what is. But then this week you hear pos going no, he got approval and then' punk shot it down. So it's just for like on paper, when I look at it, they're both wrong. They're both they're both idiots. For one, if you're Jack Perry and you know you kind of piss Punk off and you're going to shout out real glass on the

6:40 biggest pay per view in company history, you don't think that might piss the guy off? And if it does, I mean, are you just basically saying you don't care? And then the flip side is if you're seeing pull you're supposed to be the leader in the face of the company and you're getting into altercations with the twenty two year old. It comes off like you're the gruppy old man yelling at clouds in your front yard. So I think they're both idiots for this to happen. And once again, if there was any decent leadership in this company, it would have been squashed really quickly and not allowed to linger like this Like every other In every other incident in AW has had over the past three years, it's never nipping in the butt, it's well, it's just whatever. Whatever. We basically get to a breaking point, then we'll stop it. Added on to all of this, I guess travel for a good portion of the roster into London was a logistical nightmare.

7:31 I guess typically when organizations like WWI and New Japan send folks on international tours, the logistics on the travel side is a little bit more tightened up. People were kind of left to their own ways to get into London. One B and CM Punky literally took the train. Phone numbers weren't working whatever, and then you're hearing reports that he had a screaming match with Tony Kahn prior to All In. I don't know if it was before the Jack Perry stuff, after the Jack Perry stuff. It's all over this place on there, but it appears that there is friction in their relationship as well to me on the outside looking in and not knowing what's going on, which is a very dangerous thing to say. But you read the stuff on the dirt sheets, you read what's going on, and obviously sometimes there is a narrative that's being painted, whether it be on the CM Punk side or the anti cm Punk side. But what I'll just say, from my perspective as a fan, it just feels like cmpunk does not want to be an all elite wrestling.

8:35 I guess there are some quotes out there that said, I hate this place. He threatened to quit. Aw I don't know. I mean they survived brawl Out, They've survived stuff post brawl out where with a steel What was going on with him, whether Punk was coming back or not, he wasn't. In a promotional material for the original launch of Collision, the Hangman page com Men's post Collision, the stories of the Jack Perry and then the stuff at all In before the match, it just feels like the guy doesn't want to be there anymore, Doctor Trey, Is that the vibe you get wrong? Am I looking too into this? I don't know so much. If it's he doesn't want to be there, he just wants it done a certain way, well say, you know, it's call it being older, stubborn, you know, not really wanting to change, but whatever you want to call it. Like, he just thinks professional wrestling should be done a certain way. And we've seen that from other guys of his generation, whether it's you know, Brian Danielson has bucked up at times against people Leo FTR, like you know, even Samoa Joe, Like a lot of these Ring of Honor guys from that late nineties, early two thousands era, you know, twenty years in. They just think wrestling should be done a certain way.

10:01 And the people that they're running into are a lot of these super indie kids who basically have had their own way since they kind of broke into the business. So it is kind of you know, butting heads so speaking. You know, like once again, if you're if you're setting up travel for the biggest event and company history, don't you want to make sure your top guys are getting there and getting taken care of like that. That to me makes sense, you know. And you know, if you've got some kid purposely trying to throw you under the bus on TV, yeah, that would piss you off too. And the way the old school stuff handled it, you went backstage and you kind of had it out. That's the way it was done in wrestling from the early days all the way up through you know, basically twenty ten. You know, maybe like when Taker went part time is kind of when things shifted in how the backstage stuff was handled. But yeah, I don't I don't think it's so much he doesn't want to be there.

11:01 He just wants to see his company rone proper way, and you know, and proper way in his mind as well. But when it doesn't get there, it's gonna piss him off. And we've seen him get pissed off. I mean, I don't really think Abody's surprised when he's pissed off. He's been pissed off for twenty some odd years. That's why he's so good at what he does, is because he wears his chips on his shoulders proudly. I mean, I've heard stories about him all the way back to I Toba, Mid South getting pissed off about stuff, whether it's that, whether it was Ring of bonnor where it was his short time and Impact Wrestling being part of Raven's flock w w E. That's just who he is. And you take the good, you take the bad, and there you have to fax it up. So there you go. Two things here and then we got to continue on here with the show. So one being in regards to the situation and Doctor Trey you said it as well. Jack Perry doesn't say what he said in the pre show, then this is not an incident.

11:56 We don't have this to talk about. And I know everybod he's pointing the finger blame Like here we are another event where we're talking about cmpunk, But this was not an instigated cm punk situation like the brawl out was where you know he's sitting post show and the media scrum taking shots at the EVPs. Jack Perry does this shot at cmpunk basically and anybody else he was detracting him using real glass and then the situation happens if he doesn't say that we're not talking about this. And then the second thing where doctor Trey said that CM Punk sees wrestling in a specific way. Punk reminds me, and I think a percentage of our audience is going to understand this. But usually the greats in anything that they do have a bit of dickish in them. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant immediately come to mind. Those guys were grade A assholes to their teammates. Their teammates will tell you that the reason why they were great A assholes is because they wanted the best for the team and the promotion for the franchise, to win a championship. They wanted to be the best.

13:11 They felt they were the best. They were the best, and to bring other people up to their level, they needed to make them work and earn it the same way that they did. See him. Punk reminds me a lot of that same attitude. He's one of the best. He's one of the greats, and you kind of have to follow him. You've seen it in like football right now with guys like Aaron Rodgers, like those guys have huge egos. They know what it takes to be successful. They've reached the top of the mountain and they're seeing their way because they've been successful and that's what Punk's doing right now, and that doesn't work for everybody. And it just reminds me a lot of the greats. It reminds me of the Michael Jordan's and Kobe Bryants of the world, the people who they were great a assholes, but man, they were some of the greatest of all time.

13:56 And that's how I think I look at see him Punk here and this situation. He wants the best for aw and there's folks that don't necessarily agree with what his exact same vision, and that causes conflict in friction, and that's what we saw behind the scenes. It all out with that set. I guess in the regards to this altercation, Punk was threatening to quit. There was nearly a swap of the six man tag team match that followed this Punk Joe match to go on first. I guess this match had potential for being canceled. Samojoe reportedly convinced Shampunk to go out there, and that's what got us to our opener on the main card, as CM Punk defeats Samojoe to retain the Real World Championship. We both had Shimpunk winning this match solid opener.

14:41 It felt like Punk and Joe we having a lot of fun, which resonated through the television screen, lots of tributes, subtly funny spots and solid in ring work as Punk and Joe rewound the clock back. Loved the call back to the Pepsi plum finisher putting away Samoa Joe, a move Punk hasn't really used since his ROH days when he feuded with Samoa Joe, Doctor Trey, your thoughts here see him Punk defeats Joe. Yeah, It's it's crazy when you watch this match and you see how much fun those guys were having once they got the match going. I mean you can see your Punk was pissed off, you can see on his face coming out to the ring, you know, and and Joe and but once the match guy going, and it just felt like a throwback to those Ring of Honor days. I have not seen the Pepsi Plunge done ever, because everything I've ever seen a see Hi Punk was always like a DVD from like five, ten, fifteen years earlier. So the Sassi see is the Pepsi Plunge use live. I was kind of like taking it back by it. I was like, that's a great throwback great Olmos in those Ring of Honor days because both guys were going for their finishers and couldn't hit it and then all of a sudden, boom PEPSI plunge out of nowhere. So really fun matchically, great way to kick off the show. I think he used it maybe once or twice in WW, but was very few and far between, and just say it for special moments. It was very very cool to see him do that and put it out there on that opener. Next matchris can also get to Keshka, J White and Juice Robinson defeating the Golden Elite of Koda Bushy, Kenny Omega and Hangman out of Page in a six man tag team match with both at the Golden Elite winning. Really good six man tag match flowed really well into Keshka

16:12 getting to pin on Kenny makes sense given their feud and match at All Out this week. Doctor Tredy thoughts in the sixth Man Yeah, I actually I really enjoyed this match as well, because you know, Bullet Club Gold needed this win. You know they had They've had some great matches, but they haven't been coming out on top. And if you're trying to push ta Keshka up to Kenny Omega level. He needs it as well, and really fun. Now the roll up a little bit off, a little bit weird, but outside that, the guns getting involved everything else, Like I was like, man, this is this is a great little match because it's good storytelling and this leads to Omega to Keshka. This leads to you know, if you do Hangman and you know, however way you want to do this going forward with the Bullet Club Gold. I mean it was a great little bit, great storytelling, and I love that they also started calling I missed this maybe earlier on with Don Kus calling him Uncle Don and then you know, basically him coming out and basically saying like look, I'm hiring people to take out Kenny Omega and Bullet Clock Gold like the money and boom, there we go and you'll see it, you know as it plays out, you know going forward as well, Like I'd like that he has the family, but he has no issue mingling in and storytelling like hey, if I don't want but the family taking out Omega, I get something else to do it.

17:27 So just really good storytelling leading in for the match for at All Outs. Next match here it was FTR feeing the Young Bucks to retain the aw World Tag Team Championship. We both have the Young Bucks getting the victory. All around, great match, great chemistry between both teams, love the tributes, love the kickouts to each team's finisher, and the finish of the match was really well executed. Fantastic performance by two of the greatest tag teams of this generation. Doctor Trey FTR retains that finishes amazing. I have never seen the springboard into the Shadow Machine like that was great. Well yeah, like real it's not their best match, but it's right up there. It was a really really the ambo tag team match really kind of blown up. I don't know about you. I was kind of shocked when you look at those back to back matches that Omega, Page and the Bucks all came out of all end with losses, so that was a little surprising as well. And Punk and FTR both had wins. So there you go. By the way, Uh, I know I know that you've mentioned this. I think they call themselves CMFTR. I found out where I kind of know where that comes from, now, uh CM Punk and FTR. Yeah, but the cmft uh the lead singer of slip not as Corey Taylor and he refers himself as cmft Corey mfing Taylor. So okay, both those you know FTR and CM punk I actually slipping not fans. So they kind of took that homage to him and then put the R on the end and it works for the team.

18:52 Oh wow, I know that. Very very cool, very cool. Well there you are. The more you know, dude, dude, this is your brand on drugs. Eddie Kingston, Orange Cassie, Chuck Taylor, Trempurta and Penta El Sera Mieto defeat Santana Ortiz, Moxley, Claudio and Wheeler Uta in a stadium stampede match. We had Blackpool Combat Club and Pride and Powerful winning this match. An excellent, entertaining and violent match. The depths all these guys went to entertain and delivered was amazing. Wild moments that will live on forever, like John Moxley having these skewers coming out of his head, Orange Cassie breaking up glass to put on his duct tape fist, and John Max Moxley having a large piece of skin dangling from his eyebrow post match.

19:33 Unbelievable job by all Doctor Trey, your thoughts on the stadium Stampede like it was fun best friends, Eddie Kingson kinds win by the way. I understand when guys want to get their names out there, but how many times I have to hear Mike Santana during that match. They're like, Okay, we get it, He's Mike, just call him Mike. Yeah, but really really fun match, Like, I get those guys a ton of credits. My note on it was the The very first thing was, Damn, Cizarro looks like a skinny corporate cane, Like just the way he looked at how clean cut, like, he didn't have the stubble on his head like he normally does. It was super clean. I'm like, and the black pants and the black goves just reminded me of corporate cane a little bit. The skewer spot was amazing, the ladder spot, the ladder collapsing and then still making it work with the sunset flip power bomb, the tables, kudos and those guys, and then the homage to oh the John Claude Van Damn movie where they actually dipped the fists in the resin and the glass with you know that's kind of where that came from. I've seen it done with Peanut Brittle in the match actually at once, which I thought was funny. But yeah, like that was kind of the homage of that, but it worked and it made a lot of sense. And then it's gonna be interesting what they do with this with Kingston and Moxley, Like, are they gonna actually make those guys few because it's an awkward, weird love try and goal between Kingston, Claudio and Moxley right now? And then are we gonna get Moxley and

21:04 Darby straight up coming out of this as well? Because that seemed to be a focal point in the match. So want to get a good storytelling, good result because it helps best friends and Eddie Kingston. And then kind of you can filter office going into all out or Dynamite Collision, whichever show you end up on. Next match, there is some all out fallout that we will discuss here in a little bit as well. Next match of Saray defeating Hit Carlos sheet a, Tony Storm Dctor Brit Baker in a four way match to win the aw Women's World Championship. I had doctor Burt Baker, doctor Trey at Sreya a good match finished, was unexpected but was great. Very happy for Saray to have this moment in her home country after what she has been through the last five plus years, Doctor Trey, you call it, says the new Champ. Yeah, I just thought, you know, name value helps aw because it's one of the things we had talked about for a while, like, yeah, they've been pushing all their homegrown guys for a while and then now's a chance to kind of get back into you know, some of your upper tier name card people getting titled belts plus in England.

22:03 To have Sirea get this way on her in her home country with her family there and everything else, I just thought it was really beautiful. Match was Okay, I don't think it was great. It was quick. It was a little too quick for my liking. Yeah, and I'm like with a four way, it's hard to do a quick match because then you're like, wait, wait, wait, shouldn't lebody it broke that up. So but overall, like, I'm just super happy for Sirea, like with everything she's done. You know, I mentioned on the bray Wire show, watching that the FCW stuff and then seeing you know Page when she was like eighteen nineteen years old being the face of NXT, then later the Deeva's Division to now being the face of AWS with a division with that you know spot in the middle where we thought she'd never be in a ring again. Like it's just, you know, the comebacks we have seen or the last five seven years people that we never thought we'd see in a ring again is just incredible.

22:59 And they've all shined in their comeback spots, so just shows the talent never dies. Next match is Darby, Allen and Sting defending sort of Strickling and Christian Cage in a tag team coffin match. We had Darby and Allen Sting getting the victory. Fun tag team coffin match with some six spots. Every time Darby Allen does a wild spot throwing caution and his body to the win, I cringe a little bit because he can tolerate so much pain. Doctor Trey Darby and Sting win. I was happy that look, I know aar Fox, I like aar Fox. But kidding Christian Cage in this match, if this is stings last match we talked about a few weeks ago, at least Christian Cage is involved and gives a little more credibility, but just really fun match. Sting does not lose. Uh Sting is Aws brock Lessner for that five seven year run or Undertaker Now it's just he doesn't lose. But it's a good way to kind of elevate swerve again, you know with that as well. So I just really I enjoyed it. Here's a solid match given the situations. Yeah, I would have loved to see our Aar Fox get this opportunity. I guess there's some potential international stuff with him that you know, there's some troubles there that nobody's really talked about, But yeah, I would have loved to seen R Fox get in there. Next match, here is will Osprey freeing Chris Jericho. We both had will Osbrey solid match, had a ton of energy behind it and had a fast paced feel to it. Jericho shows he could still keep up with the best of them today

24:30 and it was a huge victory for the rising career of will Osbrey. It feels like we are are a year or two away from this Osprey being the best wrestlerant on the planet. Discussion taking place if he's not there already. I can't get enough of watching will Osbrey and again Chris Jericho, like he kept up with him for his quote age. Jericho is still fucking phenomenal. Will Osprey gets to go in Yeah, and it's you know, we talked about it in the last week's show, like we both felt Ospres didn't get the WA But you know, I love to see Jerker get a win every so often because it's just just you know, the guy is just an incredible person, Like he can still keep up the will Osprey. He can go power within power and tougher than any case. And don't forget this is the guy that wrestled Nick Gage, you know, two years ago and one of the blood of your matches what we've seen, Like, the guy can do everything you need to do. So he's still at this age in his career, he's still the best soldier in any company when it comes to helping younger talent get over. He's argued with the best there's ever been at that role explicitly and still getting himself over in the process as well. So you know, the younger guys and the independence who hate losing because they think it damaged them. Jericho hasn't won a really want a paper for your match in a while. I think he's won one out of his last like eight. And guess what, Chris Jericho is still over and doesn't really care about wins and losses. Next match here is he claimed to Billy Gunn defending House of Black to win the aw World Trios Championship. We did not predict this match as it was not announced when we recorded last week. Match was okay. I

26:02 wonder if Brodie King hitting Malachi with the chain and also taking the pen leads to anything moving forward. Billy gun kicking out of the end finisher, I'd be one of the one of the those closest kickouts I've ever seen. This was a good feud heading into the show. I just wish they had a little more time because it felt like we had seen the style of match play out several times during the show. It was very reminiscent of the Coffin match and very reminiscent of the sixth Man attack from earlier in the night. It was not my favorite match on the card, as the Acclaim and Billy Gunn become a new AW World Trio's champs. My favorite thing was this match was the House of Black's entrance. That was great. After that, I mean, like I thought Billy I thought they did the retirements about Billy Gunn and then Billy Gunn's out there. I'm like, Okay, I might have missed the show where they say he was coming back. But once again, they had this feud going for a while and then nothing and then oh, by the way, the six man Tiles on the line just announced it. Announced it on Collision, announcing on Dynamite. At least put something behind it, you know. To have a title match be un announced and just thrown together with two teams that had been feuding, I mean, it's an easy tie into it. So it's just because of those things. It was just kind of but I mean I'm happy for I mean, Billy Gunn's what fifty five fifty eight years old and a champion again. Yeah, he looks phenomenal in the ring. I have said before him, Jarrett Jericho, those guys have not aged a second my man an outside of Sting's hairline sing. Yeah,

27:33 yeah, he really hasn't either, so you know, and now I'm just kind of waiting until eat. Like now I got to get a four way with Billy Gunn Jarrett staying in Jericho, like four guys or the each of fifty just throwing in a four way of match, and I'll be happy because it's like the It's like the fight at the Senior Sistan's Center. I love those fights. It's amazing what happened. Like twenty five years ago, Macho Man, Rick Flair and Hogan were being ramped the coals for being quote old, and they were like in their early to mid forties at that point. We've named four guys that are in their fifties, one in their sixties, and they still look like they did twenty five years ago. It's amazing what things how things can change, and you don't even bat an eye out it because they could still perform at their highest level and do an amazing job.

28:22 So props all around to the vets in aw. By the way, two of those guys that were running Hogan Flair Matra through the coals were in that match. Yees. Jericho was one of those guys and jar was one of those guys. Yep. They were yep. And then finally the main event is MJF defeats Adam Cole to retain the AW World Championship. We both had MJFKT in the victory. Really good match. Love the storytelling throughout the match. We played off of their feud very well. It was a great way to close off the show and send the fans home happy during historic night for AW. I really enjoyed this match Doctor Trey MJF defeating Adam Cole. I really enjoyed the matchup for the wrestling aspect of it, I still don know where the story is going, Like I like it did MJFF. Is MJF a legit baby face or not? Like it just feels awkward that both those guys are tremendous heels and we're not getting they're both playing baby face in a rivalry. So I'm just waiting for the others you to drop. But yeah, the match itself was fantastic. MJFF getting the win in the main event in front of eighty two thousand people. That has help, that will help him with his title run legacy right now, because you and I have both said like it. For as much high hopes we had, it's felt a little lack luster. You get a win in the main event in front of Wembley stateum in front of those that people. It kind of does help elevate the title because it as Jeff the title. The world title in ANYW has

29:52 kind of felt as a as a secondary story for the better part of the last two years, like they just don't feature it enough, and when they do feature it's in the middle of the show. So to have it be the main event two guys fighting over it with mutual respect is a good way to elevate the title back up to what it should be. So overall, like it was, it was a damn fine main event to kind of close out the show. I saw a lot of people mentioned this online and it got me thinking, and I believe it to be true as well. Maybe the hardcore AW fans won't like to hear this, but the feeling is this MJF Adam Cole feud and this match that we saw at all in is like their answer to the way that W is booking stuff right now, where it's a little bit more personal, a little bit more cinematic in a way and has a reason and a purpose and good in ring work as well. And I have to agree with that sentiment is this is reminiscent of a WW.

30:45 We like storyline right now that we're seeing on their television playout in AW again. I know wrestling fans won't like to hear that AW fans especially that don't like w WE, but it is to me no different than what you see with the Bloodline right now. It has a bill, it has a purpose, it has an investment, and it's executed very well. And that's a good thing. Sometimes ww does know what they're doing. And if AW can dabble into what's working for w from for WWE, into their product and it pays off to what we saw it all in on Sunday Night, then I'm all for you. Do you see the similarities. So some of the stuff with the Bloodline that takes place right now, even some of the stuff with the Judgment Day where there's these depths to these storylines scor traits like we see with m JF and Adam Cole and AW. Yeah, that's what wrestling is supposed to be. Wrestling is storytelling with action like that's what it's supposed to be. Action for the sake of action is just you know, I can go watch a NASCAR race, I can go watch it and F one, you know, Formula one race that's just action for the sake of action.

31:45 We don't know the driver's stories or anything else. You know, we talked about it on the ray Wire show. That the fact that we know so much about these guys that's seeing there from them perform where we have compelling storylines. You lose yourself in that moment and you're cool with the match being lack luster, or you're cool with the finish stop being what you wanted because the storytelling's gut you hooked. When you just have no storytelling in action, that's when you're like, Oh, they're burying that guy, or oh that guy always goes over. It's just that's what storytelling helps with. And even on paper, when you look at let's say the four best rivalries, MJF has had an aw or all with x WWE guys because they can form the storyline to fit with his talents, whether it's the Jericho stuff, the punk stuff, you know, the you know Moxley stuff. Now with Adam Cale, he's they're able to bring that out of him because they understand storytelling, to understand how to get the fan reaction the way they wanted to go. Where when he's feuding with you know Adam Page or some or even the Pillars, it feels a little lack of luster. I mean, there's so good matches, but there's no depth to them, his best rivalry so far. But with guys who know understand, you get the storytelling. So there you go.

32:58 All in is in the books pay per view prediction records. We both went five and four coming out of this pay per review. I am seventy seven and twenty nine, Trey seventy one and thirty five. Match of the night and event rating. I'll start with event rating. I give it a four point four. It it's my favorite eight w show the year, and I think it's one of the top three or four shows in twenty twenty three that I've seen so far. And they really only real blemish to me was the Trios Championship match and not enough time for the women's match. Other than that, everything was really really good and my match the night was MJF and Adam Cole Doctor Trey. What say you? I went four point one.

33:42 I thought it was really really good, maybe not the level of some of the w B shows we've grated this year. My imagine I was FTR in the bucks just because to me, that's what the USOS the new they do Like, no matter what show you put them on, no matter where you from the guard, it's a fantastic match. You don't need the storytelling depths that you need to kind of help get other matches over and the multiple finishes there like in that match I thought were really well done. So MJF and M cole are right there with it. But I mean, I just love FTR and SO and they let the piss people off, so I'll side with them. Hell, one of the guys got arrested last week and they still got to put on a hell of a match, so I gave him credit for that. Over eighty one thousand Doctor Trey, it is the largest wrestling event in sometime. I think there was another one. The only other one was like one in North Korea, which I don't think counts because we don't consider North Korea to be part of the world. But eighty one thousand people, that's pretty damn phenomenal for a company that is four years old. I mean, it just hats off to be for what they accomplished this past weekend.

34:46 Yeah, actually, I mean eighty one thousand people. I mean, uh, I mean with the like the Dallas WrestleMania's were close, but not there Like you put eighty one thousand people in anything, It's fantastic. I mean outside of you know, Ohio State Michigan football, there aren't very many places that can pack eighty thousand people into any one location, so, you know, and that crowd felt it too. That crowd was into it. It helped elevate the show even more and just shows that, like you know, if when London gets this chance or the UK gets a chance to shine, they do really really well. So just an amazing overall show. The production was really well. I didn't have I mean, other than in just a couple of like glitches with the ladders or something things like that, wasn't any big noticeable things that just made a field amateur. It felt like a very good professional wrestling show in front of a very great professional wrestling crowd.

35:45 Absolutely absolutely, so there you go. All In is in the books that will return to London next year and it will also once again be a week out before All Out, so that was announced during the show this past Sunday. Going back to Wembley a year from now disappears to be the Wrestlemanian Doctor Trey. I think it's safe to say so instead of doing two nights, they're just doing him back to back weekends. Yeah. I guess we'll see how that plays out this Sunday, because right now I'm like, I don't know how it's gonna play out in Chicago. But first on Saturday, we'll be we payback. Let's give our previous predictions for that. This live live this Saturday from the PPG Paints Arena in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. First match here on the card is a steel cage match, Becky Lynch versus Tris Stratis.

36:25 I'll start here, Doctor Trey. I'm gonna take Becky Lynch in this one. Yeah, I mean she's a good guy. Dan. I mean that the falls acount anywhere I match on Raw was really well, really well done as well, So I'm taking Becky. Also. By the way, Jeff, hugs you for saying PPG Paints Arena in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I bet you that was for the great job. Hat tip, hat tip, Thank you, my friend. Next match here is La Night versus The Miss. I'm gonna take La Night in this one. I don't know about you. I kind of want the Miss to wrestle as his version of La Nights like that was pretty damn good and Miss maybe the best ever at impersonating the other wrestlers. That being said, yeah, La Night gets to win. Next match here is Raymisterio defend the United States Championship against Austin Theory Doctor Trey.

37:15 Who do you like in this one? This is kind of because Ray never really has long title runs outside his one runs World Champion even that I think it was about four months, but Austin Theory since they moved into SmackDown has felt a little flat. So I think I'm gonna take I think I'll take Ray to retain. Right now, this one's kind of a fifty fifty TOSSI for me, So I think, just on pay person's Ray just won the belt recently, I'll take Raymisterio. I like, Hi'm gonna take Raymisteria to retain the United States Championship. Do you feel like they're gonna go with him? And Santos Escabar is another person gonna turn on Ray. Reason that like that makes them the best underdog is that everybody ends up turning on him. Yeah, and it's also the way to make the biggest asshole that we don't know. Yeah, it's it's also a way for the LWO to become a heel faction and be underhanding dirty like the original LWO was designed to be, and Ray can kind of go back to be in Ray Mystereo. So it's the w W version of taking Big Show. Well, it's like what taking what they did in NXT and putting a WW spin on it, you know, with alight friend the name of the damn group they had in NXT, Legato del fantasma. Yes, Legato del Fantasti, sorry, Brave farest It's it's their way. It's the WW Vince Bruce way of taking lake Otto Delphantasma, sticking in already branded name on it that they knew they can merchandise, and running with it. It's like, well, we can't do the n of you O. We bring back the LWO and just give her that name Legato del Fantasmas. I don't think Vince could say it. Next fatch,

38:49 here is Ria Ripley defending the w W Women's World Championhip against Rachel Rodriguez. I've got Ria Ripley in this one. Who do you like Doctor Trey. I've got Ria Ripley because I'm just pretty sure that they'll do enough her injury angles Riquel because I'm pretty sure over the last year they've broken almost every bone in her body and she comes back in two months. So because I think the broken arm broken arm, as she's had like two broken arms this year storyline wise. So yeah, Ria wins. Rickuel's not ready yet. She still got about an other year before she can really be on the Ria Bianca level. Next much here is pretty interesting. Doctor Trey, Kevin Owens, and Sammy Zane defend the undisputed WA Tag Team Championship against Finn Baaler and Damian Priests of the Judgment Day not True. Who do you like in this one?

39:37 This one's hard for me because I feel like I almost have to pick against Kevin and Sammy because Judgment Day with multiple belts and the money in the Bank title kind of solidifies them as running raw. So yeah, I think I would take Balor and Priests with the help of JD McDonough to get the win over Kevin and Sammy and get the tag team titles. It's funny that we're both going this way. I thought I was going to be the odd bird here. I was like, I did not want to make this choice because I love Kevin and Sammy, but I just feel like it's pointing towards the direction Finn Valor and Damian Priest to win thanks to help from JD mcdonnah, especially now that the stipulation is a Steel City street fight for the inter Speed Attack Team Championship. So I like dtr tray and taking Finn Balor and Damian Priest as well, and then that gets us to our main event here, Seth Freak and Rollins defends the World Heavyweight Championship against Shinsky Nakamora. This has been a pretty damn good feud for a guy who just turned heel over the last three weeks. Would have loved to see in a little bit of a longer build. Nonetheless, I'm going to take Seth Freaking Rollins to win and retain Doctor Trey. At what point are we going to find out?

40:40 Way he's whispering? He said, he said I know about your broken back. Yeah, but I mean he said that early on, but then he whispered again the other night, so it's kind of like, well, what do he whisper? This time, like it's it's still playing out, So this whole thing is about whispering, you know. It's kind of it's kind of great, and it's funny because this is the storyline is playing off what you and I did at the previous pay per view, thinking that we might have set lose because of the injuries that he may need to have surgery for, and now they're taking that in using in the storyline, So good job by them for that. That being said, yeah, I'm taking Seth. I love Shinsky heel and this quick turn has kind of helped elevate him back up and reminding people how good he is at times. But yeah, we're still building up that title up, still building up seths Ron, and Jeff's not talking me out of picking against Seth in this match. I'm taking Seth.

41:32 Yeah. This feels like just one of those feuds that they do to buy time before something big, and that may be the case, but I'm kind of digging it and I wouldn't mind to see this continue on post payback. It's been pretty darn good and you're seeing a different layer to Seth freaking Rons that we haven't seen in some time. So I'm enjoying it, and I'm a big fan of Shinsk, So we'll see how it goes. Payback this Saturday, and then that's takes us to Sunday, the Labor Day weekend tradition that is aw all out preview predictions here live this Sunday from the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. Let's get to the first match here, Lucasaurus defends the AWT and T Championship against Darby Allen, Doctor Trey, who do you like in this one? I want to take Lujasaurus to retain because we saw Darby and Sting be Christian Cage a week you know at all in, so I will take Christian Cage help Illugasaurus to feed Darby Allen to retain the T and T title. I'm gonna take Darby Allen this one. I think this is the first time we've disagreed on a match so far that it's coming up here this weekend. So I'm going to take Darby Allen to win the AWT and TA Championship because I think it would be funnier to see Christian Cage squirm without the title now, even though he's not the champion. Next match here and This must have been announced during Dynamite because it popped up on the Wikipedia page that I keep refreshing to make sure I'm not missing anything, which I actually just see some other matches popped up here. But we've got Bullet Club Bullet Club Gold taking on FTR and the Young Bucks in an eight man tag team match. I'm gonna take FTR and the Young Bucks. I don't

43:05 know what led to this match because we're recording during Dynamite, but I'm taking FTR on the Bucks. See. This is tricky for me because of how the FTR Young Bucks match ended with the Bucks refusing to shake Ftr's hand. So I've kind of gone back and forth. I still think Bullet Club Gold needs a high profile within so we might just rab. I think I'm gonna lean towards the Bullet Club Golden this one. I'm gonna side with those guys, just thinking that FTR and the Bucks may have a disagreement that costs them the match, just like we saw with Bullet Club Gold and Kenny and Adam Page. A little bit of misdirection and a little bit quick roll up, one, two, three, I'll take Bullet Club Gold. This may be because one of their one of the members, Dads was in this group.

43:49 But Bullet Club Gold has been really really good on television lately, and they remind me so much of Degeneration X Doctor Trey. Yeah, it's a little bit of you know, j White doing the Triple H stuff, and then you have you know, Jews doing the Sean Waltman and then the Guns being the outlaws. It makes a lot of sense in the way they're putting that together. Maybe that's also why it some other reports of how much money w wants to throw out the Guns when their contract is up. Yeah, they've been really really good as well. It's been a lot of fun and very entertaining group has been Bullet Club Gold and the Guns especially. Next match here is Mirro versus Powerhouse Hobbs, Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one? Oh? This is a tough one for me. This is like the cmpunk Collision specialty match that we didn't know about. I'm gonna take Mirro just because he hasn't been on TV that much, so I'll take Mirro getting the way over Hobbs. I'm gonna take Miro as well. Next matches Chris stat Lander defending the a W TBS Championship against Ruby s soho, I'm going to take Chris sat stat Lander doctor Trey. Yeah. I still think you've got to to build her up after that, you know, after getting the title, and it would be weird for Ruby to get the t and T the TBS Women's Championship with Soreya getting the women's title so you know, a week earlier. So I'll take stat Landard to retain as well. Next match is Orange Cassidy or Penta El Sera Mieto. They're having a match on Dynamite

45:22 tonight for the aw International Championship. The winner will be taken on John Moxley. Nonetheless, I expect this to be Orange Cassidy versus John Moxley. And as much as I have loved this title reign from Orange Cassidy, I think he is going to lose to John Moxley. I'm going to take Moxley to become the new International champion out of all Outdoor Trey. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean the you know BCC got the loss at all in so sometimes you got Trey wins and losses. So I'll take Moxley to get to win over Orange Cassidy as well, although it was Penta that did the skewers into Moxley's head, So either person and Moxley would still be a good match. But I'll take Moxley defeating Orange Cassidy to win the title. John Moxley is one of the kind folks and better yet is following Renee Piquette's Twitter feed when his matches are on, because boy does she put out some great gifts.

46:10 Next match, here's Kenny Omega versus Kenneska Takeshka Doctor Trey. Who do you like in this one? Ah? They made so much about Kenny's winless streak in singles matches during all In. I'm gonna take Takeshka getting the upset victory with the help of Uncle Don. Just gotta play on that Kenny slump even more. Plus it helps elevate Takeshka even more. Dude's a beast, So I'll take Takeshi getting the win. I think this is where we differ because Takeshka did get the pin at all In. I'm gonna say Kenny avenges that loss and gets the victory at all Out. He's been taking a lot of ells lately at the hands of Don Calis. I'm gonna take Kenny Omega and then the last match here, this I guess has happened during Dynamitis.

46:58 Who record this? But Adam Cole and MJFF better than you, Babey, will be defending the ROH World Tag Team Championship against a winner a tag team winner of a Battle Royal. I don't know when the Battle Royal is it? Maybe tonight. It could be a rampage, could be collision, it could be all out. I'm trying to follow this on Twitter, but folks bear with me. Nonetheless, I'm going to take MJF and Adam Cole to retain the ROH Tag Team Championship at all out, Doctor Trey. Any guesses on who they'll face? Oh wow boy? What would be cool? The Kingdom? I think the Kingdom of Matt Taban and Mike Bennett. You know who I think I might go with here? I might go with the Big Bill Lee Moriarty tag team, but Big Bills would have been with Brian Cage too lately, and now he's tied with Ricky Starks. See I don't know, because uh, like is Stoke is the firm still around? Well?

48:01 No, I get I think Stokely's just on ro oh. Now I don't I don't watch it, but from what I see on Twitter, the firm is done. I wouldn't mind seeing the Hardies in this spot as well. I just feel like playing off of the storyline right now with Roddy and Taven and Bennett would be the Kingdom. I also want to put it past. Maybe Kyle O'Reilly's on the verge of returning and you bring back Bobby Fish and it's Red Dragon, or you just do Roderick and Kyle, you know, for you know that's Hey, Roddy was great. By the way, Matt All in main event, he's been great lately as a character. Yeah, it's amazing because you almost forget what a good character person he is and it's like, oh shit, yeah he's really good at pis are did you pick?

48:42 Make a pick for this match? So I'm taking Adahim Cole and m Jam as well, and I am leaning towards the Kingdom as well, just to tie in with all this stuff. That's where I was kind of going, is you're gonna be them or you know, either the Brian Cage, Big Bill, big Bill Lee Moriarty tag teams, So just to kind of tie in the MJF stuff from you know, it was a double or nothing. So but yeah, I am JF am Cale And this is all because of the Punk Perry suspension because it was supposed to be Punk at MJF. So there you go, h Doctor Trey will see him Punk be wrestling it all out this Sunday. It is in Chicago. I don't think he'll be wrestling, but I do think he'll come out and challenge MJF post match.

49:30 It's a kind of set the stage for eventually unifying the World Championships in AW. So let me let me erase my question here, okay, and ask you this, what is more likely to happen see him Punk has wrestled his last match in AW or he is at all out. What's more likely he's at all out? It's in Chicago. You don't think he's wrestling this last match then in AW? No? I mean I look, if I gave him a seventy five percent chance most brawl out wrestlers last match, this what happened at all end wasn't as bad as brawl out. So if he survived that and still came back to wrestle. He'll survive this and look see him punk maybe the cockros professional wrestling Like he gets nuclear bombs dropped all around him and he still survives. So at this point, I don't think it's his last match. I think it's more likely we see him at all Out.

50:28 So there you go. All Out has been preview and predicted here. We will recap and review. We payback and All Out on next week's edition of the podcast when we come back tier to meet with you all again, all on September seventh for episode number seven and wait, so first episode of the month of September. Lots of wrestling on tap here with all In in the past and payback in All Out on the verge here and we'll keep it all locked here with for all of you in the coming weeks. That said, let's get a couple of plugs and sponsored out of the way. You can down on the show every Thursday at or Friday at Real Guy Radio dot com, Russell chatting at on Twitter, and they still Realty Show iTunes feed. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to help us coming charts on iTunes.

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52:40 a show that we ever wanted to do, but it gave us some time to reflect and pay homage and honor the life and career of Wyndham Bray Wyatt Rotunda. That is available all right now up on the iTunes feed. So with that said, enjoy payback, enjoy all out, enjoy this weekend of professional wrestling, and have a great Labor Day weekend for those that are celebrating in the United States. And until next time. For Doctor Trey Franklin, I'm Jeff Pack. This is the still show. Didn't didn't didn't