Feb. 18, 2026

You Don’t Need an LLC. You Need a Mentor.

You Don’t Need an LLC. You Need a Mentor.
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Mastery Before Marketing

In this episode of PT Pintcast, Jimmy talks with Lewis Lupowitz, sports physical therapist and founder of Longevity Physical Therapy & Performance.

Lewis brings a strong perspective:

There’s a mentorship problem in physical therapy — and it’s being disguised as an entrepreneurship movement.


Key Topics Covered:

  • Why new grads shouldn’t rush to open a clinic
  • The difference between clinical confidence and branding confidence
  • How to become a good mentee
  • Why “better is better” in rehab
  • Youth sports over-specialization
  • Neurocognitive training in return-to-sport rehab
  • Creating an environment patients want to return to


Major Takeaways

  • Owning a business is hard. Being a great clinician inside that business is harder.
  • Mentorship isn’t automatic — you must position yourself to earn it.
  • Strength and ROM alone are not enough for return to sport.
  • Fancy tools don’t replace clinical reasoning.
  • The fastest way to build a successful clinic is becoming excellent first.


Guest Links

Lewis Lupowitz

???? https://longevityptperformance.com/

<p>This episode is part of the <a href="/physical-therapy-business-podcast">Physical Therapy Business Podcast</a>, where physical therapists and clinic owners learn how to get more patients, improve operations, and grow their clinic without relying only on referrals.</p>

<p>Looking for more episodes? Explore the full <a href="/physical-therapy-business-podcast">Physical Therapy Business Podcast</a> for real-world strategies on physical therapy marketing, patient acquisition, and clinic growth.</p>

Transcript
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Come on.

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There we are.

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And we're live.

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I did that myself.

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I shot the aerial drone.

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No, I didn't.

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That's just stock imagery.

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You flew by.

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I flew by.

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That was me flying in on the jet,

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which was nice.

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Metaglasses.

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I feel like it's hangover day.

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You get all excited on day one of

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CSM, and you can tell.

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It sounds like I...

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had some gravel i got some gravel in

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my voice uh lewis has been on the

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show before lewis welcome back bright and

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early i appreciate people who come here

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and they're like i'm gonna schedule nine

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a.m because i want to knock this out

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because there's five hundred other things

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yes how many csms is this for you

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ballpark i don't know why i always ask

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that but i'm always curious first one

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speaking no good for you thank you and

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then tell everybody what we're talking

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about

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So today I think we're going to talk

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about the importance of growing as a new

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grad before jumping into anything from a

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business sense.

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I think you've got to find your mentors,

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be a mentee,

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get your feet wet and then learn the

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ropes before trying to learn different

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ropes.

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Yeah, I mean,

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because in the first couple of years,

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it sounds like in the profession you're

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Studying a thing and doing a thing are

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two different things.

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So you're doing a new thing,

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and then business is also wild.

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Yeah, totally, totally.

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And obviously speaking firsthand,

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just opened up a practice,

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but that's a whole new learning curve in

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and of itself.

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And I don't think that it could have

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been done without having felt established

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as a clinician first and foremost.

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Yeah, it's hard to...

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It's hard to produce force when both feet

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are off the ground.

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So you gotta be stable on one,

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not to make the metaphor,

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but you have to be,

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you can't be worrying about both.

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Yeah, one hundred percent.

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I mean,

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I think I had a pretty strong clinical

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foundation coming right out of school.

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Did a fellowship with Kevin Wilk.

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Even then,

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the second I get to my initial practice

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where it was somewhat of a volume-based

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clinic,

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there was multiple times where I'm

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spinning my head and thinking to myself,

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where is he?

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Can I ask him a question?

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That's not quite the case.

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If you don't have that foundation already

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and now you're trying to also understand

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insurance or payroll or cash or taxes or

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rent and that check comes and it's not

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going away and you got to figure it

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out.

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I think getting established first and

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foremost and realizing that you got into

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this profession to be a professional first

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and foremost so Getting that getting that

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grounded is first and foremost important I

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so so our students which I just heard

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him a loudspeaker make up three thousand

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you know, people here at CSM,

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which I think that attendance was

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announced as fifteen.

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So students between three and four

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thousand.

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Are they being sold the wrong success

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narrative?

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Like,

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are they being are they being directed in

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the wrong way?

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I think to some extent.

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Right.

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I mean, you know,

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and maybe it's just my my algorithm and

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my feed,

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but it's like you're a doctor of physical

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therapy.

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You have every right to go out and

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make your own keep and be a business

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owner and you don't need X,

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Y and Z years experience.

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But

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that becomes all too different when

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someone's potentially coming in, you know,

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I'm in a cash-based setting and they're

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coming to me and paying out of pocket.

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They're not utilizing their insurance

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benefits and they expect results.

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And if you don't know how to get

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those and you haven't gotten your feet wet

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enough, and I think, you know,

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we talk about the metaphor of ten thousand

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hours to become an expert or whatever it

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is.

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And if you don't have those ten thousand

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hours under your belt, you know,

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how are you going to provide value for

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someone,

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especially when they're

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The only thing I was really worried about

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is like going on your own.

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Who are you going to do the looking

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around the room for?

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Yeah.

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And it doesn't need to be the same

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person,

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but it should be someone who's maybe a

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few miles down the road or at least

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you said, I've seen that before.

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I've heard that before.

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I've done that before.

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I've failed that before.

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Yeah, totally.

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And I get that question asked all the

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time, you know, from new grads.

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It's like, you know,

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know what should i take from this

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conference or how do i go about like

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my clinical growth or development and i

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think first and foremost is find the

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person that you resonate with who you

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think has made those same mistakes is in

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that same position that you want to be

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with and then have the understanding of of

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you know mentorship should not always be

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spoon fed to you you have to be

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a good mentee and understand that you know

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a person providing mentorship that's

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that's another job for them right uh as

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well so there's a right time and a

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place to kind of seek that mentorship ask

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those questions expect to

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receive answers from them as well,

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because they have a life,

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they have a profession,

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they have goals as well,

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and now you're an additional part of that

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goal,

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so don't just assume that it's always

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gonna be there.

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That I will give a little grace,

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because that was the same thing.

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When you're in sixth grade,

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the next grade you go to is seventh

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grade, and then there's eighth grade.

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There's always a thing for you,

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and then all of a sudden when you're

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done, it's like, well,

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then you go to college,

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and there's another step,

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then you're in graduate school,

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and then that's beaten into you.

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There's always a step.

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Where's the syllabus?

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And I'm like, my man, the syllabi.

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have left the building they have left the

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chat um and that's not easy to get

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used to when you've done well let's do

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the twelve years in you know through high

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school another four number three you're

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you're you're in you're in yeah you know

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close to twenty years worth of being led

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and fed and that ain't that ain't how

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it happens anyway you've got to now seek

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out

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Yeah.

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There's no more yellow brick road.

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Right.

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Yes.

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That's a great,

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that would be a great title for a

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talk.

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The yellow brick road ends right here.

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Meet the Oz himself, but it is,

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it is, uh, that's a great point.

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And, you know, I think,

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I think having your own goals and that

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that's kind of the importance of coming to

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conferences like this.

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And, you know, I think personally,

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even as a practicing clinician,

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I always try to have something separate on

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the docket to stay motivated,

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whether that's

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preparing for a conference or a small talk

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like this or just something that's

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non-clinical focused,

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even if it's a personal goal,

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professional goal, in-clinic goal,

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but something to break the monotony per se

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and keep that path moving.

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Why is more not always better in rehab?

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Because some is good, none is bad,

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but more must be better.

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Why is that not actually...

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I flip that model and I say better

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is better.

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I treat young active adults and youth

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athletes and

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More is more is more is more is

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more.

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I mean,

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the very first thing that I bought when

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I opened the clinic was a whiteboard.

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And we're going to break down what it

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is that you're doing today, tomorrow,

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this week, this month, this year for X,

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Y, and Z tournament.

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That's the next most important thing that

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we all know doesn't really matter.

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uh all in all too much so i

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i always try to flip it as better

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is better uh at certain points more is

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better when it's appropriate when it's

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appropriate when more is needed more is

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good yeah yeah i think a lot of

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the time these individuals they need to

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almost flip it off you know they're so

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high stress driven so motivated at least

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the population i see

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And half the conversation I'm having is

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let's tap into that parasympathetic.

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You need sleep.

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You need hydration.

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You need recovery.

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You need stress management.

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And then they want the next recovery

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modality, which you can find here.

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Oh, yeah.

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That'll fix me.

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And I think those are all a part

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of rehab.

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I think modalities get a knock to some

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extent, but they're great adjuncts.

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You know,

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they can be extremely beneficial as an

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adjunct.

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You know,

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you can't avoid the basic principles and

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you're loading and you're.

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you know,

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your formula to get back with some return.

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But at the end of the day, recovery,

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sleep, hydration, nutrition,

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stress management.

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Well,

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you brought up something I didn't know we

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were going to go in that direction.

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You're on Long Island.

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Yeah.

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I'm from New York.

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And, like,

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now the time in twenty twenty six youth

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sports is not these kids today was not

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me.

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I mean,

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I the look on my parents face.

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If I said I'm going to go on

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a baseball tournament and it's three hours

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away,

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my parents would still be on the floor

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laughing.

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And now I got buddies.

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My buddy's kid is on a hockey team.

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I live in upstate New York.

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He's on a team in Boston.

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That's his home team.

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So Long Island is hockey, lacrosse,

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baseball.

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I mean, there's softball, everything.

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How much of the education is that to

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the parent first and the kid, which is,

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hey, listen,

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more playing is actually the reason you

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are here.

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Yeah, totally.

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So my clinic is located within an indoor

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performance facility.

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Oh, a check pot.

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I mean, teams rent out the turf space.

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There's a gym in the back,

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but it is, I mean,

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it's a very good random of just kids

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coming in.

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And sometimes you don't see kids leave

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because they're there all day.

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And I try to explain to the parent

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is, and the kid is,

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you have to be a kid first.

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You have to be an athlete second,

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play all the things, but don't overdo it.

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And then be a blank player.

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Cause when they come in for me and

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it's like, oh, my leg hurts or my,

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this hurts.

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It's like, well, what do you play?

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And they're like,

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baseball or soccer and I'm like okay what

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else they're like no dummy like I'm that

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player and I'm like really you're twelve

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like why don't we like get good at

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being a child and then get good at

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like moving exploring doing things and

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then hone in on

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a sport itself, but yeah,

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parental education, I think is the key.

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You got to tap into them because,

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you know, from a,

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I'm not quite a parent myself yet,

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but from a parent's perspective,

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they just want to do the best for

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their kid and their friends are playing,

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they want them involved and they want to,

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you know, see them succeed.

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But, uh, to an extent, you know,

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there's gotta be a line.

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Yeah.

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And we know like the fun part is,

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and I've actually read research and I'll

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find the paper,

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which is research says that statement is,

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turns people's brain off so when you're

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like well research says people are just

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like like you've just muted me for twenty

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eight seconds but you know the research

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probably better than me like when you

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track Cy Young winners Super Bowl

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quarterbacks and you like hey what was

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your high school career they're like I

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played soccer and this and this and this

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it's never I was just a quarterback never

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never never the best athletes I see are

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the ones that have done it all because

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they're an athlete they've had movement

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exposure they've had the ability to adapt

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and explore and do and

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And then they hone in on a specific

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skill because they have an overall skill

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set.

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Who's your talk for?

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Who are you excited when that person

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walks?

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Who are you hoping shows up and sits

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down?

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Here or in my clinic?

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In your clinic.

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Like, who are you excited for?

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Oh, I mean,

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I love treating the young active

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individual,

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whether that's an adult who's still trying

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to, you know,

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play with their friends on the weekends or

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with their kids or whatever it may be

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or the youth athlete.

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But my passion is in shoulder, elbow,

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knee.

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Seasonally,

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it varies what I'm going to get the

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most of.

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ACL, UCL,

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I try to say I treat the CLs

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and then labrums as well.

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How funny is it that, like,

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twenty years ago, you could...

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Nobody knew it.

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Like the average person did not know what

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an ACL was.

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Right.

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They knew Tommy John surgery.

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They didn't know what a UCL was.

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And now parents, I mean, my friends, kids,

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like the coach said,

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I should get an MRI.

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And I'm in the back,

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just biting my lip going, listen,

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I don't even, I don't practice anymore,

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but I'm going, ask the coach.

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What are the two things that could happen?

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Yeah.

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So it's, it's injured or, you know,

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it's torn or it's not.

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What do we do then?

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What if we just pretend like we're going

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to get the MRI?

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It's going to cost a grand.

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And I'm like,

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Okay.

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Yeah, I mean,

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I've had the scarier situation of a

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physician even telling me that someone

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walked into the clinic and was like, yeah,

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we're ready for the surgery.

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He's like, what do you mean?

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They're like, well,

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he's going to throw harder after.

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So we're ready for it.

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I'm like, excuse me.

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Well,

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he's going to throw harder because he's

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going to finally take rest and he's going

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to readapt to his entire body.

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He's going to train his legs.

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He's going to train his core.

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He's going to finally train his shoulder,

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get a good routine and learn how to

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be an athlete that is required for that

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sport.

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You know what ruined it?

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Angels in the outfield.

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Henry Rowan Gardner.

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Right.

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I still see that.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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How about talking here?

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Who are you excited to who do you

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want to walk into the room?

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Well, we had a great turnout yesterday.

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It was awesome as myself, Kevin Wilk,

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and then two fellows after me from ASMI,

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Zach Thomas,

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who's now with Stedman Hawkins and part

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time with the PGA and Morgan Ivey,

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who is currently serving as the rehab

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coordinator for the St.

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Louis Cardinals.

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So

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A lot of them with better credentials than

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I have.

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I'm just a simple PT from Long Island,

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but those three have the credentials

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beyond me.

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We spoke about the integration of

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neurocognitive or neuromuscular rehab as

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it pertains to the upper extremity

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athlete.

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So a lot of literature out there

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pertaining to the lower.

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We know that with ACLs,

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you kind of have to provide these

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external...

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cues,

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this visual feedback to sort of override

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the individual system,

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but same thing starting to happen at the

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shoulder.

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And we just tried to take a framework

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from a clinical commentary that we wrote

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last year, you know,

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giving ideas on how to put those

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principles in from early phase through

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return to sport as it pertains to the

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knee, and then just try to, you know,

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reintegrate that same framework as someone

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can do it for the upper extremity,

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you know, both shoulder and elbow too,

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because it goes overlooked.

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One of the last things I'll ask.

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The more people I talk to with resumes

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that are crazy, like professional this,

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that, and everything,

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the more when I do this,

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tell me if I'm right or wrong,

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they talk about the simplest stuff.

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And I'm like, where's the crazy fancy?

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And they're like, yeah.

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So I almost feel like they get...

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They're the guys testing the fancy,

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though.

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The fancy comes out, they go,

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we're going to put it in the NFL.

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And they're like, okay, cool, but...

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where's the basics yeah i think and social

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media does a disservice i think you know

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if i put out what i do day

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to day in the clinic i would have

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zero following because that's something

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it's simple hands-on range of motion it's

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simple manual resistance exercise it's

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banner it's it's your basic building

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blocks and then at the end if we

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have some time yeah we'll have some fun

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we'll make it interactive that way my

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patient stays engaged and keeps coming

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back to me for sure and

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Half the time it's them wanting to do

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those fancy fun things.

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But I say boring, basic, better first,

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then more.

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Spoonful of sugar, right?

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Like, hey man,

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when do we get to the cool?

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I was a Pete's PT.

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I had to make it,

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it had to be fun.

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But the whole time I was aiming at

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like, what's the reason they're here?

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Great.

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How do I make that what I need

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fun?

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But let's pretend you've got a thousand

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bucks.

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What are you excited?

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We'll just call them toys.

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Fun-wise, what excites you?

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What do you already have in your clinic

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that you're like, that's the fun?

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, the reactive lights,

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the neurocognitive stuff.

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I mean, blaze pots have been great.

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From a recovery perspective, hyper ice.

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I mean,

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I'm a big shockwave person as well.

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Laser.

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So those adjunct modalities are awesome.

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Obviously,

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those are on the higher end of the

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spectrum, but...

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Um, I think,

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I think you need a set of blaze

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pots, especially for five hundred bucks.

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I mean, yeah.

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And then people get on you about the

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subscription.

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It's ten bucks.

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Yeah.

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Don't go to lunch that day for a

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month.

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It's one hundred and twenty bucks a year.

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Right.

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And like,

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but it's not an ad for blaze pots.

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But what I realized was.

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it's because you get a library.

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Like whenever you see the BlazePod ads,

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you're like, that's cool,

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but how would I program that?

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And then you find out people are just

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always, users are like, oh,

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I did it like this.

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And then you can search by sport or

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whatever.

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So I was like,

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you're sort of buying the backend support,

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so the thing works real well.

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Totally.

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Yeah, totally.

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I mean,

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and you could just search the activity,

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the age group, the this, that,

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and there's hundreds.

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And then just the ability to make what

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you want.

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I mean, if you can think it,

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you can make it.

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And then half the time you get your

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athletes who are like, oh, we did that.

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Can we do it this way?

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Can we make it harder?

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Can we do it this?

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And it just creates a competitive

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environment.

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Especially if you're treating athletes,

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you have to create a locker room setting.

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Yeah, they're used to it.

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Speak the language.

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The first question I get asked the second

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we do it is,

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what's the high score and who has it?

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And the next time I see them,

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I'm going to talk about it for sure.

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Yeah.

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I did that at a low tech,

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the first clinic I was at out of

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school.

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It was a dry erase board with exercise

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or like a game of the week.

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And then it was either time-based,

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rep-based.

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It was never weight-based.

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It was always time-based or rep-based to

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keep people involved.

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And then, you know, we had longevity.

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So it was like when you're discharged from

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PT, it was, what do you come in?

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Do you want to keep going?

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Because, you know, we have that.

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And people will always come in their first

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week.

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peak was always what's on the board what's

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what's the what's the worm which make

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things up yeah and be like now it's

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the worm what's it what's it doing we're

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going to do this this this great make

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an exercise based on that is it distance

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or is it time yeah and i think

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reiterating back i mean it doesn't have to

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be fancy it doesn't have to involve tech

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it just has to involve creativity and an

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environment that allows for individuals to

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come in

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The first thing your patient sees when

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they think rehab is, I'm hurt,

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I'm injured, I don't want to be here,

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I want to get out of here.

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And trying to flip that mindset of

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creating this longevity-based perspective

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helps keep them in the clinic.

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I mean,

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my favorite question I get asked from a

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patient is, do I have to stop coming?

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Yeah, there you go.

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Because you've set up an environment.

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Of course.

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I want to come back even when I'm

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back because I know I can continue to

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get better.

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Uh, this seemed like a weird question.

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What are,

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what's the color of the walls on your

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clinic?

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Are they beige?

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They are beige, but black accents.

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That's the difference.

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Okay.

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Because we were talking about how, uh,

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P green, P green was the classic, right?

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P green and, uh, uh, children's, uh,

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magazines or sports illustrated from six

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years ago.

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That's what we look at when we walk.

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Yeah,

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so my clinic has a lot of natural

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lighting,

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so I kept it beige but black accents

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so it pops.

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You made it look like a gym.

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Yeah, like a gym.

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You want to make it feel like that.

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All right,

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last thing we do on the show,

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we call it the parting shot.

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This is the parting shot.

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One last mic drop moment.

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No pressure.

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Just your legacy on the line.

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Parting Shot brought to you by US Physical

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Therapy.

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I'll say thanks because they're letting me

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use their booth.

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I was like,

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I need six square feet to talk and

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Find them online at usph.com.

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Parting Shot,

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just your last chance for a mic drop

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moment.

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What do you want to leave people with?

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Yeah,

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I think the three major points we spoke

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on was better is better.

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If you're a student,

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find a mentor and understand what it takes

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to be a good mentee.

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And lastly,

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create an environment where your patients

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actually want to come to therapy.

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And for the second one,

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most people in this profession are not

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looking to sell you a mentorship package.

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Most people are like, how can I help?

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And it doesn't have to be super structured

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or formal.

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And if you find people along the way,

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one of our profession's weaknesses is we

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just give stuff away.

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But if you're going to...

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takes himself mentorship is one of those i

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still to this day seek out clinicians in

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my area and i go shadow them i

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mean two weeks ago i was at lenny

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and mike's clinic in boston and fly on

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the wall hey i'm just here to watch

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what you guys do and learn that's it

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i mean i've got a full caseload and

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i still i just want to get better

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yeah love to hear those appreciate you

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stopping by man thank you