Episode 234: Slopcasting

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Podcasting 2.0 for September 12, 2025, episode

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234, Stop Casting.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome.

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Hey, hey, guys.

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Welcome, everybody.

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It's time for Podcasting 2.0. We are,

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in fact, the boardroom, the board meeting of

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all things podcasting on a weekly basis.

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It all happens here.

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It all gets discussed here.

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We are, unfortunately, the only boardroom that has

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an empty seat this week.

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I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who is as alternative as his enclosures,

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saying hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we got things to figure out here.

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Yeah, we do.

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What are we doing?

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What are we doing?

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There's a lot of balls in the air

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at the moment.

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No, that's wrong.

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That's not.

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That's the wrong show.

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That's the wrong show.

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Yes, we are.

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OK, we probably should explain what we're doing

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here.

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We are doing a live test of the

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lit tag in audio and in video.

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So we have the live video URL information,

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schmick and lock and honey in the alternate

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enclosure of our lit tagged episode.

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Is that did I say that right?

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Yes.

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OK, we have.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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HLS video currently streaming.

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It's it's me.

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It's just me in the podcast cave.

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OK, I have I have it up.

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But where do I find the where do

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I find the desktop?

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I'm looking at true fans.

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Yes.

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OK, so if you're in true fans, this

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is not a good experience if I can't.

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Oh, there it is live.

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OK, so I hit live.

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Right.

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OK, so I hit live now.

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OK, are you listening live?

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Yes.

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OK, now go down to the very bottom

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next to where like the volume control is.

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Oh, yes.

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Oh, there it is.

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OK.

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And what you need to choose.

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This is now this is not what you

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need to choose.

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It's not specified.

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There you are.

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OK, so why does it say not specified?

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Is that because I didn't specify it in

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my in my in my feed?

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It's probably got something to do with the

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way that the tag like we didn't put

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something in the tag that it wants.

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So we need to figure out what what

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it wants and feed it properly.

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Let's do while we're at it.

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Let me just check because I OK, episodes,

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live episodes, alternate enclosure.

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OK, Nathan says you're seeing not specified because

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true fans uses the title attribute to label

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the alternate enclosure.

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So there's no title attribute in our alternate

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enclosure.

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So we need to label that.

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Well, I have here's here's the option.

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Oh, content type.

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No.

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So I have this is from sovereign feeds.

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I have under enclosure data.

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I have application, which I have a type.

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I have length.

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I have bit rate.

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I have height language rel for fifteen hundred

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Alex.

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I have codex and default.

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And then I have source you or I

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and content type.

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And those are the default, the codec and

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the content type are all optional.

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Let me go look at the spec.

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So should I be real real?

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Well, as well, I have alternate as per

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your instructions, your your strict specific instructions.

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I, I probably I definitely gave you the

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wrong stuff.

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Yay.

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I gave you the right.

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I gave you the right HLS URL.

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Yes, but I did not.

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I clearly did not give you the right

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of something else.

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See.

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Search documents.

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Oh, we're going to use this.

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I love these live life tests in closure.

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The only thing we forgot to do is

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hook up our roadcasters together to make sure

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it was the maximum mess possible today.

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I almost did that.

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I got so close.

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I got so close.

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OK, no title is an attribute in the

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titles and attribute in the in the alternate

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enclosure.

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Sovereign feeds sounds like it doesn't have it.

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Oh, man.

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No, that's no good.

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Yeah, well, that's too bad.

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OK, well, we can't do that.

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Just well, unspecified, unspecified people use unspecified.

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Yes, the rail provides a method of offering

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and are grouping together different.

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No, it's very it's very possible, Eric, that

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sovereign feeds needs to be updated.

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There's no doubt about that.

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That's possible.

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I mean, I've never used the alternate enclosure

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in sovereign feeds, and I'm amazed any of

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this stuff works at all, to be honest

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about it.

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I have not looked at the old.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Good one.

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Hold on.

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Hand hack.

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Yes, manually edit feed.

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Let's wait for that to happen.

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OK, let's see.

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Where do I do this now?

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Please don't.

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Come on, please.

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What is wrong with you?

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All right, go.

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What is wrong with you?

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Don't be don't be a wuss.

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Hand hacker.

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OK, well, the sovereign feeds has a capability

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to manually edit your feed so we can

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always restore it.

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OK, and I'm looking here now.

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OK, there's the pod roll.

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There's OK, live September 12th.

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Got it.

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Got it.

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Got it.

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Custom value account.

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Where's the where is the alternative enclosure?

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OK, I'm at the alternative enclosure line.

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What do I need to add here?

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So I had to add title in the

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this is going to be so cool.

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You need to add title in the alternate

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enclosure tag itself.

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OK, where would you like me to add

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that?

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Add it right after a length.

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No, a bit rate added after bit rate.

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OK, bit rate.

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All right.

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So just put video.

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Video space.

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All right.

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Save.

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And we're going to publish.

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OK, and now we're going.

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No, feed submitted successfully.

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So something happened there.

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OK, so does that did that pod ping

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it as well?

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Yes, it podpings it because I want to

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see how what it looks like.

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Baby, this is fantastic.

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OK, OK, I'm going to I'm going to

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go and see you'll see pod or refreshing,

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refreshing true fans.

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I'm going to pop in that watch.

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OK, let me see.

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I'm still getting not specified.

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Sorry.

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I knew that was going to happen.

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Wow.

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How exciting is this?

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OK, here I see.

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I see it just came.

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I see the last just came through on

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podping.watch. So let me go over.

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To true fans, see me refresh true fans.

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Delizio, Adam.

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No, no, I'm here.

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I'm listening.

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There's so much going on on my computer

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right now.

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I'm just like in in dimensions here.

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I love it.

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T-34.

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OK, now let's see what do I have

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to play?

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Yeah, I got to hit listen live.

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Still says not specified.

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OK, we'll we'll get we will get this.

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We'll get this thing fixed.

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Test successful.

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Well, yeah, the video works for sure, which

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is I'm sure that true fans probably they've

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got to have some caching in place.

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I mean, we can't can't totally blame them

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for this.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I mean, they like but OK, so the

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ones that we of course, true fans was

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going to work.

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I mean, that's that was I had total

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confidence in Sam.

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The one the one that was the question

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mark was fountain because Oscar said that he

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he he came back.

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He said, no, we don't support alternate enclosure

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video in the live stream and in the

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live item.

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And then he came back a few minutes

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later and he's like, wait, maybe we do.

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Well, hold on.

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Let's try.

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I don't know.

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Podcasting 2.0. Let's try it on the

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web version.

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Oh, that's a good idea.

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There's an idea.

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OK, are you smoking?

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No, I'm I'm eating trail mix.

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I just wanted to say I can't hide

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anything I'm doing right now because I'm like

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I usually mute myself so nobody hears me.

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So I don't see any live episode on

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the on the web version.

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That's interesting.

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Oscar, help.

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Yeah, really, Oscar.

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What's going on, man?

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Hmm.

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OK.

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Oscar literally said, I guess we'll see what

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happens.

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He's like, I don't know.

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Well, that's the that's the only appropriate answer

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really is.

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Yeah, we'll see what happens.

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We'll see how it goes.

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That's called running with scissors.

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Yes.

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So as your roadcaster hooked up, you want

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to do that while we're at it.

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We just want to talk about some other

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stuff.

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You start plugging stuff in.

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Well, so let me let me see.

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So the.

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What I what I have going, what I

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have is.

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Just to describe the setup, is I try

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I first tried to install pure tube and.

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And I mean, it's fairly straightforward, but there's

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a couple of places in in pure tubes

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documentation where it is a little.

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The commands that it says to run don't

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work.

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Oh, that's always disappointing.

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Yeah.

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And so like it, you create a dedicated

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peer to the user.

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Which is fine, but then it wants you

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to become that user to do some commands,

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but it doesn't.

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Necessarily, but it doesn't really, but that doesn't

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work because.

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When you add the user, there's no shell,

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so you can't really log in as that

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user anyway.

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There's a little bit of an inconsistency, I

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would say, in the documentation.

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It would have been I should have tried

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to do a docker thing or something and

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just make it easier, but I was trying

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to go this like, you know, manual install

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route.

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Sure, but it messed up.

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And then I got it in a state

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where I couldn't tell it Postgres, it wouldn't

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connect to the Postgres database, and I just

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really couldn't tell if it was something earlier

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on that I'd done that didn't work in

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the instructions.

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So rather than try to like.

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You know, beat my head against the wall,

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I booted Wednesday night and then just installed

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owncast.

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What is what is what is owncast exactly?

321
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Well, I mean, it's open source and it's

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it's just a personal HLS stream streamer.

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Like that's all it.

324
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I think that's all it does is just

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streams in HLS video stream.

326
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And I don't know.

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I mean, it has it doesn't seem to

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have any have any external dependencies.

329
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Because I downloaded I downloaded the.

330
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The script to install it.

331
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And it was literally like you just run,

332
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you download it, unpack it, run this command

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and give it a port number.

334
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And it just works.

335
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I mean, it's like magic.

336
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It's flat out works.

337
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You and so you you.

338
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You yeah, you download the owncast source and

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run the owncast command and say like port

340
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nine thousand.

341
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And that's that that's your NGINX reverse proxy

342
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port.

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And so that so that you can use

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NGINX to get all of your like TLS

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certificates and all that stuff.

346
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And yeah, and then it just started working.

347
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So it was it was streaming.

348
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So I'm like, OK, well, that job is

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done.

350
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And then the alternate enclosure, I just put

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one of those together and had you stick

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it in the feed.

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And so now it's just it's just working.

354
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And I was trying to say I'm logged

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into the admin console on owncast.

356
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Is this a currently 19 viewers?

357
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So that's pretty good.

358
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Streaming to 19 people.

359
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Let me see what the yeah, there's somebody

360
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watching in VLC.

361
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And then it just gives you basically user

362
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agents.

363
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The one thing I don't know.

364
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Here is if anybody can I don't know

365
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on the stream side if you can hear

366
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both of us or not.

367
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Or if you can.

368
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Oh, that's a good question.

369
00:13:37,010 --> 00:13:41,870
Well, somebody I presume somebody would have said

370
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something if that wasn't possible at this point.

371
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Yeah, yeah.

372
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Maybe some.

373
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Yeah, I'm assuming because I've I think there

374
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was something one time before when I used

375
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to do this.

376
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That's some.

377
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OK, Nathan says that they can hear maybe

378
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I could I can't remember what the difference

379
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there was some sort of audio inconsistency.

380
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Maybe they couldn't hear.

381
00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:13,020
You.

382
00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,780
Well, let me let me check it out,

383
00:14:16,820 --> 00:14:16,980
bro.

384
00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,480
Let me let me check it out.

385
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,120
Where were we?

386
00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:22,320
Because I remember Alex used to tell me

387
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that.

388
00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:24,500
Well, that has to be different.

389
00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,260
But that's that has to be on your

390
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end.

391
00:14:26,580 --> 00:14:28,540
That's how you're you're routing the audio.

392
00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,700
That's clearly not the podfather's mistake.

393
00:14:32,260 --> 00:14:33,120
Oh, no.

394
00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,040
How dare how dare me?

395
00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,940
OK, let me let me check it out.

396
00:14:37,140 --> 00:14:37,560
Where were we?

397
00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,380
Oh, video showed up on true fans.

398
00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:39,860
It worked.

399
00:14:39,860 --> 00:14:41,820
Maybe they couldn't hear.

400
00:14:42,220 --> 00:14:43,020
Oh, oh, oh.

401
00:14:43,020 --> 00:14:44,020
Oh, it says video now.

402
00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:44,720
Sure does.

403
00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:45,080
Nice.

404
00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:45,500
OK.

405
00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,460
Well, let me let me check it out.

406
00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:48,780
Yeah.

407
00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:50,080
No, I can hear myself over there.

408
00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:50,600
Oh, yeah.

409
00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,160
Wow.

410
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:52,860
Go, Sammy.

411
00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:56,560
OK, so we're nailed it, Sam.

412
00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,020
Yeah.

413
00:14:57,220 --> 00:14:57,660
Nice.

414
00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:58,580
Nice.

415
00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:00,780
He's now our new validator.

416
00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:05,460
He's honestly he's always been the validator.

417
00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:08,480
This is I'm trying to see.

418
00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:11,160
I'm trying to see what the top is

419
00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,980
on the oncast server.

420
00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,640
See where we're each top is so pretty.

421
00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:17,880
It's just beautiful.

422
00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,900
It's just it's just a beautiful little thing.

423
00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:23,800
Yeah, that's that is very cool.

424
00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:25,800
Very cool that that works.

425
00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:26,420
Nice.

426
00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:28,020
OK, so we have 20.

427
00:15:28,020 --> 00:15:30,020
Let me look at the.

428
00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,740
OK, we have 15 viewers currently.

429
00:15:34,060 --> 00:15:35,460
Now what you need is how can I

430
00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:37,380
stream my signal to you so you can

431
00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:37,980
hook it in?

432
00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:39,220
Uh huh.

433
00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:40,800
Oh, yeah.

434
00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,500
I mean, I mean, this is get super

435
00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:43,180
fancy now.

436
00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:47,440
And so there's 15 viewers and then there's

437
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:47,960
four.

438
00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,940
We're using 426 megs of RAM.

439
00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:55,100
And CPU on the server sitting right around

440
00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:57,060
40 percent, that's not bad.

441
00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:57,980
Pretty good.

442
00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,720
That is not bad.

443
00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:01,020
So this is a nano.

444
00:16:01,180 --> 00:16:02,640
This is a five buck a month nano.

445
00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:03,320
So can you.

446
00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,380
Oh, that's very good.

447
00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:06,660
Can you accept a video stream from me?

448
00:16:09,740 --> 00:16:10,420
I don't know.

449
00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:10,780
Can I?

450
00:16:11,380 --> 00:16:12,060
I don't know.

451
00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:12,900
I don't know.

452
00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:13,300
Yes.

453
00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,420
Have some sort of facility to like you

454
00:16:15,420 --> 00:16:17,160
can like pump your stuff over to me.

455
00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,040
Yeah, of course it does.

456
00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,980
Well, but I need to know where to

457
00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:22,420
pump it.

458
00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,160
Baby, tell me where to tell me where

459
00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,140
you want me to pump it.

460
00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,840
I want to pump it into my OBS.

461
00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,560
I saw that, please.

462
00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:35,440
Pump it into my OBS.

463
00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:36,800
My goodness.

464
00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,940
I mean, surely there's some way to do

465
00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:39,140
that.

466
00:16:39,260 --> 00:16:40,460
There's got to be a way to do

467
00:16:40,460 --> 00:16:40,760
that.

468
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:41,760
Right.

469
00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,640
I mean, there's got to be a way

470
00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,040
for me to like open up a port.

471
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,460
Yes, this gets better with with age, don't

472
00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:48,020
these jokes.

473
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:51,880
Ports are wide open.

474
00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,640
Yeah, I don't know.

475
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:54,740
But I just don't know what.

476
00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,160
Let me go look.

477
00:16:56,420 --> 00:16:57,520
Let me go look in the OBS.

478
00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:59,640
I have all kinds of things.

479
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,960
Settings, all settings.

480
00:17:03,619 --> 00:17:05,460
Here's where here's where I'm going to accidentally

481
00:17:05,460 --> 00:17:07,200
show a password to somebody.

482
00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,599
Oh, but I've got you know what I've

483
00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:11,960
got here, though, that I've resurrected from the

484
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,319
grave.

485
00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:13,359
What's that?

486
00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:14,780
The stream deck.

487
00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:16,460
Christmas present.

488
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:17,760
Yes.

489
00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:20,720
And now I can just conveniently hide my

490
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,020
desktop.

491
00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:21,480
Yes.

492
00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:21,940
Beautiful.

493
00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:23,720
Appearance.

494
00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,440
Surely there's a way I can send this.

495
00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:29,720
Explore.

496
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,540
Explore all this.

497
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,100
Explore.

498
00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:32,900
I want to explore.

499
00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:33,900
I want to stream.

500
00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:35,720
I'm pretty sure I can.

501
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:36,280
Yes.

502
00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:36,580
Hello.

503
00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,160
Hey, citizen.

504
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,020
Test worked.

505
00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,080
I'm pretty sure I can.

506
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,500
I'm pretty sure I can.

507
00:17:46,740 --> 00:17:48,080
Can I not stream direct?

508
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,680
This has got to be so boring for

509
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,700
people who are just listening.

510
00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,400
The boardroom loves it.

511
00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,520
It's the boardroom.

512
00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:56,200
Exactly.

513
00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,460
The boardroom is listening to it.

514
00:17:59,780 --> 00:18:01,340
Well, I know I can if I if

515
00:18:01,340 --> 00:18:03,540
you can take a stream yard, then I

516
00:18:03,540 --> 00:18:04,820
can send it from stream yard.

517
00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:06,320
I think I still have one of those

518
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,020
very expensive accounts.

519
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,380
Oh, you are.

520
00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:12,580
Come on.

521
00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:14,420
Someone in there knows how to do it.

522
00:18:14,980 --> 00:18:16,100
Come on, guys.

523
00:18:16,820 --> 00:18:18,520
Stop hosing around here.

524
00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:18,920
Let's see.

525
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,400
You can have OBS accept a second stream

526
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,500
by using the multiple RTMP outputs plug in

527
00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:28,120
for simultaneously streaming to multiple platforms, running two

528
00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:30,380
separate instances of OBS with different settings.

529
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,180
Do you have said plug in?

530
00:18:34,340 --> 00:18:36,720
Oh, I'm probably not.

531
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,920
I don't I don't know about anything about

532
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,100
OBS except.

533
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,200
Well, I do.

534
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,600
I'm actually I actually know a little bit

535
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:44,860
now.

536
00:18:45,020 --> 00:18:47,580
I'm not giving myself enough credit, but I

537
00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:48,360
see settings.

538
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,460
I don't see anything about plugins, so I'll

539
00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:52,160
figure it out.

540
00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:53,720
Well, we will we will figure this out.

541
00:18:54,020 --> 00:18:56,300
This this will now be a regular thing

542
00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:56,960
that I do.

543
00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,840
And just you can just.

544
00:18:59,620 --> 00:19:01,800
And it'll just be an ongoing test.

545
00:19:02,380 --> 00:19:06,800
OK, until the world accepts alternate enclosures with

546
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,080
video.

547
00:19:07,540 --> 00:19:08,840
Well, I can always send it to a

548
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,520
YouTube and people can do them side by

549
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:10,820
side.

550
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,560
Yeah, double OBS.

551
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,360
I'm getting my popcorn.

552
00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:17,780
Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

553
00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:20,760
I got I got home.

554
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,100
Uh, so everything was where I left the

555
00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:25,460
stream running last night.

556
00:19:26,620 --> 00:19:29,620
Just so yes, I saw because I for

557
00:19:29,620 --> 00:19:32,760
a little while I just watch your your

558
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,240
log tails go by.

559
00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:36,980
It's it's so it's it's kind of a

560
00:19:36,980 --> 00:19:37,900
it's kind of peaceful.

561
00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:39,820
You know, I I have it here to

562
00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:40,320
aquarium.

563
00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:40,800
I love.

564
00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:42,920
Yeah, I it's it's actually an aquarium.

565
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,340
Yes.

566
00:19:43,780 --> 00:19:45,180
Like what is he tailing there?

567
00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:48,200
Because you can't really see it in that.

568
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,720
So let's see.

569
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:50,860
But it's good.

570
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,120
It's very good.

571
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,260
But I left it running.

572
00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:55,300
Yeah, I left it running last night and.

573
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,400
Then I got home when I got home

574
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,420
for lunch today to do the show.

575
00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,860
I went in and was going to click.

576
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,020
It was going to click around to connect

577
00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:12,060
to your clean feed and the mouse wouldn't

578
00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:12,240
move.

579
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,340
I was like, well, and this whole the

580
00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:15,640
whole my whole rig was frozen.

581
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,480
Oh, yeah.

582
00:20:16,660 --> 00:20:17,900
Welcome to OBS.

583
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,480
Yeah, I'm like, well, this brings back memories.

584
00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:23,440
So that's great.

585
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,180
Well, hopefully we do not crash.

586
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,040
I could say without a doubt.

587
00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:31,220
Todd Cochran would have loved this episode.

588
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,200
He would he would have loved this experimentation.

589
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,060
He probably would have called everyone.

590
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,660
OK, we've got to set this up.

591
00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:38,980
All of our podcast has got to be

592
00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:39,900
doing live video.

593
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,880
We've got to be able to stream it.

594
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,260
Let's get it.

595
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:41,400
Go.

596
00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:42,640
We need a server when you go, go,

597
00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:43,940
go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go,

598
00:20:43,940 --> 00:20:44,040
go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go,

599
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,140
go, go.

600
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,080
All hands bulletin.

601
00:20:46,180 --> 00:20:47,620
Everybody has to listen to episode two for

602
00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:47,840
two.

603
00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:48,440
Thirty four.

604
00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:52,820
If you really want to know what's going

605
00:20:52,820 --> 00:20:54,740
on with this lit tag, you've got to

606
00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:57,800
listen to episode two, three, four of podcasting

607
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,400
2.0. That will explain it all.

608
00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:00,720
That's exactly what I would say.

609
00:21:01,340 --> 00:21:01,520
No.

610
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,100
Well, you wrote a beautiful piece about him.

611
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,920
I thought that was really, really nice if

612
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,080
people haven't seen it.

613
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,020
It was titled Leaving, I think.

614
00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:13,120
On leaving.

615
00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:14,140
On leaving.

616
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:14,480
Yeah.

617
00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:15,920
Let me just put it in the show

618
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,260
notes.

619
00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:18,040
That was really beautiful, brother.

620
00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:20,480
It's a real nice piece.

621
00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:21,580
Well, the.

622
00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:24,120
You know, the thing about.

623
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,720
I think I just echo your sentiment.

624
00:21:28,140 --> 00:21:29,720
About Todd, which is.

625
00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:34,060
I just always thought I just always expected

626
00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:35,220
him to just be there.

627
00:21:35,380 --> 00:21:35,860
Exactly.

628
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,880
And then, you know, and then just one

629
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,680
day he just wasn't there anymore.

630
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,560
And it was I think I just walked

631
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,700
around in a fog for really a few

632
00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:47,140
days.

633
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,340
Yeah, I'm sure you did.

634
00:21:48,460 --> 00:21:49,180
Oh, absolutely.

635
00:21:49,540 --> 00:21:52,020
I mean, I texted you right away and

636
00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:55,480
said, man, this this one, this one hurts.

637
00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:59,360
Because, yeah, I mean, there's been so many

638
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:02,260
people who have passed away in the past

639
00:22:02,260 --> 00:22:05,080
10 years that I know, but I knew

640
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,420
as well as Todd.

641
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,800
But, you know, then you realize that even

642
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,920
though we didn't really.

643
00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:16,120
Talk to each other personally that often or.

644
00:22:16,940 --> 00:22:19,020
See, just certainly didn't see each other very

645
00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:19,360
often.

646
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,440
He was always there.

647
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:23,920
It was all and he was Wednesday night,

648
00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:26,260
Rob and Todd in my ear, walking Phoebe

649
00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:29,300
in the dark here in Fredericksburg, yelling back

650
00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:32,180
at my phone, like, shut up about video.

651
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,020
You know, that was just it was a

652
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:35,140
constant thing.

653
00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:37,240
And then smiling when Todd would push back.

654
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,740
You know, that was it was.

655
00:22:38,860 --> 00:22:40,540
And that, of course, is not the only

656
00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:41,880
thing that I remember Todd for.

657
00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:44,920
But I mean, we did a nice new

658
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,900
media show on Wednesday that Rob put together

659
00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:51,900
with Mike Dell and Rob Walsh.

660
00:22:52,340 --> 00:22:55,120
And it was quite an honor to to

661
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:56,200
be there for that episode.

662
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:56,880
That was nice.

663
00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:00,480
Yeah, that was it was it was a

664
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,000
good episode.

665
00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:05,200
And you know, it was really nice to

666
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,920
hear some of those older stories.

667
00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:11,040
And because, you know, there's just there's some

668
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:11,500
of that stuff.

669
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,480
There's some of that stuff I didn't know.

670
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,300
And there's some of this and some things

671
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,140
you guys that have been around, you know,

672
00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:20,900
in the podcasting sort of boot up phase.

673
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,780
That you all just forget to tell because

674
00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:26,680
you were there and it's it's just part

675
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,340
of your history.

676
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:30,720
And you don't you don't you don't remember

677
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,040
to to tell it to other people as

678
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,520
if it was history, you know, because you

679
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,740
just kind of lived through it and it

680
00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:36,300
was a thing.

681
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,220
And so it's nice to hear some of

682
00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:40,360
those like when y'all are specific, y

683
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:42,360
'all were specifically like trying to think of

684
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:46,060
old stories about the beginnings of of of

685
00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:47,420
booting up podcasting.

686
00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:51,040
It was nice to see that, you know,

687
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,680
and hear those things that sometimes I think

688
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,200
y'all y'all just may miss just

689
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,720
because, you know, y'all were there.

690
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:57,940
Totally.

691
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:58,880
Yeah.

692
00:23:58,980 --> 00:23:59,080
Yeah.

693
00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:02,460
It was not I mean, you know, Rob

694
00:24:02,460 --> 00:24:05,400
Walsh looks exactly like Peter Gabriel for some

695
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:05,660
reason.

696
00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:06,440
I don't understand.

697
00:24:08,540 --> 00:24:10,500
Rob Walsh was but he was he was

698
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:11,840
he was pretty.

699
00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:14,600
I mean, you could tell he was feeling

700
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:14,800
it.

701
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,140
Yeah.

702
00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:16,120
He was feeling it.

703
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,440
And I had told myself it's like, you

704
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,240
know, because every podcast I heard was, you

705
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,700
know, and I'm like, man, when I go,

706
00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:28,220
please have somebody there who's having a good

707
00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:29,980
time with it and remembering all the fun

708
00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:31,980
times and bring the mood back up because

709
00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:34,200
that, you know, yeah, of course, there's a

710
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:34,880
time to mourn.

711
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,360
Absolutely.

712
00:24:35,660 --> 00:24:37,480
But at this point, we already knew for

713
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,180
three days.

714
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,040
So I had been over and I talked

715
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,260
to my pastor about this.

716
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,780
I said, man, this this really hit me,

717
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:45,320
this one.

718
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:46,780
Yeah.

719
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,720
And I came home and talked to Melissa

720
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,280
about it.

721
00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:52,160
And it was really and I knew she

722
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,280
was not going to understand because she does.

723
00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:56,400
She's not really in that world anyway, but

724
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,460
she but she had met Todd once before.

725
00:25:01,660 --> 00:25:03,400
She so we were at.

726
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,980
We're at a podcast movement, Nashville.

727
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,240
I guess this was 2000.

728
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:12,820
I guess this is twenty twenty two.

729
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:13,740
Yeah, I think so.

730
00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:15,520
That must have been that or twenty I

731
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,620
think twenty three because I didn't go.

732
00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:19,060
So it must have been twenty three.

733
00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:19,380
Yeah.

734
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:21,980
OK, so we were there and some and

735
00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:24,020
Melissa had gone with me and.

736
00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:29,340
She had been off doing her own thing

737
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:31,180
in Nashville while I was at the conference,

738
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,580
and then she came back to the hotel

739
00:25:33,580 --> 00:25:34,900
and.

740
00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:38,840
Late, late after, you know, after being out,

741
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,540
you know, kind of doing her own thing,

742
00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,660
and then we all ended up I think

743
00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:44,020
it was.

744
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,480
Yeah, he was me, Melissa and and Todd

745
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,740
and Tom Rossi.

746
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:54,240
And I think Alvin Brooke was there.

747
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:56,780
It's just a bunch of people.

748
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Ben and Alberto, I think we're also there

749
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,600
all just sitting around a table in the

750
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320
sort of lobby lounge area or lobby area

751
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,340
of the Opry Hotel.

752
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,880
And so Todd, Todd Cochran starts telling us

753
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,180
about his Tinder dates and he starts flipping.

754
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,620
Oh, wait, was this the time that Melissa

755
00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:20,440
passed out?

756
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:22,400
Yeah, yeah.

757
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,620
So I do remember this.

758
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,080
So he's flip he's flipping through the he's

759
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,340
flipping through Tinder dates and like in like

760
00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:31,280
showing us he's like, I'm going to meet

761
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,860
this girl tonight and I'm going to meet

762
00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:34,540
and I got her size like lined up

763
00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:35,200
for the next day.

764
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,000
It was the funniest thing.

765
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,420
I forgot all about that.

766
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:38,880
I forgot.

767
00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:39,780
Yeah.

768
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,400
And we're all just laughing at him and

769
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:41,940
he didn't care.

770
00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:43,140
He's like he did.

771
00:26:43,220 --> 00:26:43,600
That's what I mean.

772
00:26:43,660 --> 00:26:45,480
Like if even if you like, you know,

773
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,840
even when you laughed at him, he just

774
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,540
thought it was just as fun as that.

775
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:49,700
Exactly.

776
00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:51,900
Now, that is Todd in a nutshell.

777
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,460
You could laugh at a person.

778
00:26:53,620 --> 00:26:54,680
No, he never did.

779
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,780
He never did.

780
00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:56,200
Yeah.

781
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,260
Anyway, I think it's a great idea.

782
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,680
They're going to try and keep the podcast

783
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,800
awards going and have a Todd Cochran award,

784
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,020
which, of course, we need to call the

785
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:07,320
we need to call it the toddy just

786
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,440
because he'd hate it.

787
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:10,880
The hot toddy, everybody.

788
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:12,720
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

789
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,840
He would hate that so much.

790
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:16,760
Yeah.

791
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,580
Oh, man, we're going to I'm going to

792
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:19,140
miss him, though.

793
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:19,960
Yeah, I'm going to miss him.

794
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,840
So a lot of talk about these Apple

795
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,700
chapters.

796
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:29,180
And James, Detective Cridland has found that Apple

797
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:33,140
is indeed slurping in the the Jason chapters

798
00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:33,560
file.

799
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:38,600
That's now I don't know about you, but

800
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,160
I did not see that one coming.

801
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,060
In hindsight, it makes total sense because they've

802
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:48,680
already they've already set the with transcripts, they

803
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,500
set the mold.

804
00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:51,840
And I like it, by the way, because

805
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,660
they never want to disappoint their customers.

806
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:57,500
So I understand that if their customers are

807
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,380
seeing transcripts on one podcast and not on

808
00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:03,160
another, they don't want their customers to say

809
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,660
they probably don't want the customer support, honestly,

810
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:07,860
like, hey, your chapters are broke, your transcripts

811
00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:08,960
are broken on this podcast.

812
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,360
So they created transcripts that are auto generated

813
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,560
if you don't make them available.

814
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,060
I think actually you have to set it,

815
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,440
if I'm not mistaken.

816
00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:22,500
You have to go into Apple Connect and

817
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,760
say explicitly take my chapters.

818
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,480
I'm not sure if that's still the case

819
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,780
or take my transcript that I don't know

820
00:28:28,780 --> 00:28:29,700
if that's still that way.

821
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:35,400
And for chapters, I presume they're going to

822
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,680
do something similar, which, by the way, kind

823
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,360
of shows that they do have an AI

824
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,460
strategy somewhere inside the company.

825
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,280
It's not necessarily super apparent on the phone,

826
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:51,380
but doing generating chapters automatically for podcasts has

827
00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:52,720
been done for quite a while.

828
00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:55,760
So I think that's a great way.

829
00:28:56,540 --> 00:28:59,840
As long as they respect my own chapter

830
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,120
file, I really feel I shouldn't have to

831
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,140
go set it in Podcast Connect.

832
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,600
So that may not be the case.

833
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,140
I'm not sure.

834
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,120
Well, I mean, if from what from what

835
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,080
James said, he's seeing he's seeing the chapter

836
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,420
links get the chapter URLs get hit in

837
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,840
his feed, you know, from from Apple's crawlers.

838
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,580
So, I mean, they're they're ingesting the document,

839
00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:26,620
you know, the chapter file that is specified

840
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:27,700
in his XML.

841
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:30,040
And so, I mean, if they're pulling that

842
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,320
in.

843
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:34,300
Perfect example.

844
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,620
I hope he's right.

845
00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:41,720
And that what they're doing is pulling in

846
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,100
a chapter's file, if you have it in

847
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,640
generating sort of generating one, if you don't.

848
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Because.

849
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,620
I mean, the perfect example of why that

850
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:57,760
would be a good idea is that I

851
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,220
there's two Twitch shows that I listen to

852
00:30:00,220 --> 00:30:00,760
every week.

853
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:02,560
I listen to them as part of my

854
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,040
job.

855
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,700
And it's Security Now and Windows Weekly.

856
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,280
Just so I can keep track of those

857
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,460
two.

858
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,760
Things and they're they're good sort of keeping

859
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,660
you up to date on on news shows.

860
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,240
And even though I even though I'm a

861
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,260
paid subscriber in the club thing, so I'm

862
00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:24,720
a paid member, so I get access to

863
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,380
the advertising free episode.

864
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:30,860
Right.

865
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,640
They still don't have chapters.

866
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,540
And there's some things that I'm like, I'm

867
00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:38,660
I'm paying for I'm paying for the show.

868
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,020
To get like, you know, because I want

869
00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:43,660
to support.

870
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,260
I want to make sure this product doesn't

871
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:46,700
go away.

872
00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:47,720
I want to end in.

873
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,220
So I'm paying for the show and I

874
00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:51,260
still don't get chapters.

875
00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:53,480
So it's not a matter of, you know,

876
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,640
Leo always said he didn't put chapters in

877
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,420
because he didn't want people skipping the ads.

878
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,280
But but there's no ads in it anyway.

879
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,540
And it would be an honest.

880
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:05,180
I love Steve Gibson to death.

881
00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:07,880
But a lot of his show is just

882
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,740
reading articles from bleep, right?

883
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,760
You actually want the the chapters for his

884
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,060
show.

885
00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:16,960
Yeah, I really need to just skip some

886
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,140
stuff that's completely irrelevant to me sometimes.

887
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:21,220
And sometimes he's he's long winded and he

888
00:31:21,220 --> 00:31:22,420
can talk for 20 minutes.

889
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,180
And I just in trying to just like

890
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:28,000
skip around, if they did, if Apple auto

891
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,440
generated some chapters for those, that would be

892
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,480
incredible.

893
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,760
Like I would I would use that immediately.

894
00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:39,860
And if they do it in the same

895
00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:42,120
way they did transcripts where they're going to

896
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,680
honor the chapters file, you specify or create

897
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,680
them on the fly if you don't have

898
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:45,900
any.

899
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,740
Man, that would be that would be amazing.

900
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:53,000
And if you if it's something you could

901
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,040
do on device, then other apps could do

902
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,480
it, too.

903
00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:58,060
Oh, that's a good point.

904
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,120
You know, with their local models or whatever,

905
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,900
I'm sure they're going to use AI for

906
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:03,840
that, you know.

907
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,540
Oh, of course.

908
00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:05,060
Of course.

909
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:06,520
By the way, I'm still waiting.

910
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,580
Somehow I got in the queue for the

911
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:09,660
pod chapters.

912
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,400
Is it it's not I guess you would

913
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:14,960
call it an app.

914
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,440
It's not an app app, but it's the

915
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,460
pod chapters system from Daniel J.

916
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:19,820
Lewis.

917
00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:22,740
And I was like, I wanted to use

918
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:24,320
it for for my shows.

919
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,500
And I'm like, it says you're on the

920
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:27,000
list.

921
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:28,720
I'm on the list.

922
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,100
You're on lots of lists.

923
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,220
I want to be at the top of

924
00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:34,600
the list.

925
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:35,440
I want to be in.

926
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,900
I want to be using it.

927
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:39,020
Ever since I heard that I see now

928
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:40,760
that RSS dot com allows you to put

929
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,100
your own your own URL in there.

930
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,080
I'm like, oh, this is great.

931
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:46,760
I can do it anyway.

932
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Oh, wait.

933
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:49,100
So.

934
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,540
Hey, citizen, Dave, your OBS audio is four

935
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:54,140
hundred and twenty milliseconds early.

936
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,580
Oh, versus me versus your mouth.

937
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,040
Oh, I'm not synced.

938
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Welcome to video, my friend.

939
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,480
This is this is this is this is

940
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,840
how this is how it starts.

941
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:06,940
This is what it is.

942
00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:10,060
This is why one of the many, many

943
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:13,200
reasons I do not want to deal with

944
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,160
video, like why would I want to put

945
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,020
myself through that?

946
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:19,160
Well, I don't know how to fix that.

947
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:20,680
So that'll have to go.

948
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,500
There's an offset.

949
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,580
I'll have to go in the bucket.

950
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,800
There's a setting for it to offset that.

951
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,360
And, you know, it's like, why would you

952
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,240
even have to do it?

953
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,200
Shouldn't that just be something that the system

954
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,420
automatically adjusts?

955
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:34,440
Yeah, yeah.

956
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,200
You would think so.

957
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:38,280
I don't know how to figure that out

958
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:38,520
later.

959
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,460
But as soon as you open OBS settings,

960
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,720
you're just like your eyes closed.

961
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,560
So what other tags could Apple implement in

962
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,140
this manner?

963
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,820
What can let's let's take some let's start

964
00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:50,160
a pool.

965
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:53,460
What would the next the next tag be

966
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:55,800
that they could do where they can satisfy

967
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,900
all of their customers by generating it themselves?

968
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:04,810
Oh.

969
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:07,929
That's a good question.

970
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:12,790
I'm looking at the list right now.

971
00:34:13,650 --> 00:34:14,210
Location.

972
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:15,570
No, they can't.

973
00:34:15,650 --> 00:34:17,190
They can't possibly know location.

974
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:20,710
Because location tag can be where it's from,

975
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:21,530
what it's about.

976
00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:22,190
No, I don't think.

977
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:23,489
Well, but if they put it if it

978
00:34:23,489 --> 00:34:25,210
doesn't have a location tag, they could put

979
00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:29,290
in the the the non the the where

980
00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:30,330
it's now.

981
00:34:30,469 --> 00:34:30,810
You're right.

982
00:34:30,929 --> 00:34:32,969
Not because that's the source.

983
00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:34,630
That's not too much hassle.

984
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:36,130
Give me give me the other ones.

985
00:34:36,170 --> 00:34:36,969
What else do we have?

986
00:34:37,889 --> 00:34:38,949
Let's run down the list.

987
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:39,850
Let's figure this out.

988
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:40,929
You know, they're going to do it.

989
00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:42,230
You know, they're going to do something.

990
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:42,730
Person.

991
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:47,770
Person, person, that would be hard, very hard

992
00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:48,250
to do.

993
00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:50,150
That would be very hard to do accurately.

994
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:51,090
Hmm.

995
00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:53,010
Pod roll.

996
00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:54,030
No, no.

997
00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:54,870
Publisher.

998
00:34:54,989 --> 00:34:55,370
No.

999
00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:56,890
Maybe this is it, man.

1000
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:57,730
We're done.

1001
00:34:58,030 --> 00:35:01,230
So finished soundbite.

1002
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:04,690
That's I don't think they'd do that.

1003
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:06,230
That just doesn't sound worth it.

1004
00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:07,630
Trailer.

1005
00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:10,350
Maybe.

1006
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:12,370
Well, yeah, they could.

1007
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:15,710
I mean, it would be it's a lot

1008
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:16,630
of work for them.

1009
00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:22,990
But it doesn't seem thought there was something

1010
00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:25,490
that does trailers automatically, I could be wrong.

1011
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:28,850
I bet there's lots of things that hit

1012
00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:30,430
like headliner and those kind of things.

1013
00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:31,170
Hmm.

1014
00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:34,110
The the one the one that I think

1015
00:35:34,110 --> 00:35:36,470
see, I was fully expecting their next big.

1016
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:41,330
2.0 adoption to be live item.

1017
00:35:42,610 --> 00:35:44,690
Yeah, I did not see chapters coming.

1018
00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:46,970
I would love I would love for that

1019
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:47,490
to happen.

1020
00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:49,370
Oh, I think it's going to.

1021
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:50,590
I just did not.

1022
00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:53,050
I didn't expect it to be chapters next.

1023
00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:55,450
That was a surprise.

1024
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:56,050
Yeah.

1025
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:58,830
But that just tells me that once they're

1026
00:35:58,830 --> 00:36:00,490
finished with chapters, they'll be doing live now.

1027
00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:00,970
Yeah.

1028
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:01,610
Yeah.

1029
00:36:02,130 --> 00:36:02,870
I hope so.

1030
00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:07,050
I think I mean, because they I mean.

1031
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:11,170
Who doesn't want live in their podcast app?

1032
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:12,090
Yeah.

1033
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:13,010
Everybody does.

1034
00:36:13,070 --> 00:36:13,230
Right.

1035
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:15,190
I think so.

1036
00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:17,190
I think it would start a revolution.

1037
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:20,830
Which we've already started, to be quite honest.

1038
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:24,500
You know, I just pulled it up in

1039
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:25,120
TrueFans again.

1040
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,840
It makes me happy.

1041
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,620
I'm so happy.

1042
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,420
Did we figure out whether or not Fountain

1043
00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:31,880
is working?

1044
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,400
No, I can't find it.

1045
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:35,460
I can't find a switch.

1046
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:36,280
There's no toggle.

1047
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:37,960
There's no toggle.

1048
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,020
I'm pulling it up on mine.

1049
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,380
Where's my Fountain at?

1050
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,620
I just don't see if there's a difference

1051
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:49,720
between the iOS version and the Android.

1052
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,920
That's your own Android.

1053
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:55,640
Well, I'm on Android.

1054
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:55,960
Yeah.

1055
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,280
So maybe maybe the iOS is different.

1056
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,180
I hate how TestFlight doesn't doesn't recognize that

1057
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:10,900
you're a premium subscriber in your apps that

1058
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:11,460
you're testing.

1059
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,780
Man, I'm glad I don't have to deal

1060
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:14,360
with TestFlight.

1061
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,240
Just give me that.

1062
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:16,420
Give me the Play Store.

1063
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,760
It's fine.

1064
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:21,050
I don't see.

1065
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:22,450
Oh, there it is.

1066
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:24,770
OK.

1067
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:27,610
That's 2.33. That one ended.

1068
00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:29,530
Feed.

1069
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:31,290
Podcasts.

1070
00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:35,980
Podcasting 2.0. This is super exciting.

1071
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:37,760
Not really.

1072
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,380
No, it's actually terrible.

1073
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:44,160
No, no, I guess.

1074
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,340
But but you have to look when you're

1075
00:37:46,340 --> 00:37:48,120
doing it, because that's the important part.

1076
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,540
You know, well, this live item would be

1077
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:54,120
great for them to do next, that's for

1078
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:54,360
sure.

1079
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:56,700
That would be fantastic.

1080
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:59,040
Or alternate enclosure.

1081
00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:00,800
I mean, they could support the video alternate.

1082
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,700
But that would that would make sense, too.

1083
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:03,900
Yes.

1084
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,540
And maybe it may go in that order

1085
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:07,120
because then they would do the alternate enclosure,

1086
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,460
then the live item so they could have

1087
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:09,320
the video as well.

1088
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:14,490
And I believe in Ted.

1089
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:18,090
What is Ted's actual title?

1090
00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:19,330
What does he actually do?

1091
00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:21,630
That's his title, Ted.

1092
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:25,010
His title is Ted.

1093
00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:28,570
It's just that's just who he is.

1094
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:29,830
It's just talk to Ted.

1095
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:30,550
That's funny.

1096
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:35,390
My fountain is just crashing out.

1097
00:38:35,550 --> 00:38:36,270
I can't.

1098
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:36,690
Oh, really?

1099
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:37,170
Somebody.

1100
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:38,090
That's odd.

1101
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:39,930
I know it is weird.

1102
00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:40,690
That's not usual.

1103
00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:42,190
No, certainly not.

1104
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:43,150
Certainly not for them.

1105
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:47,630
And we'll see where's my.

1106
00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:50,950
Yeah, I can't I can't I can't seem

1107
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:51,770
to pull this up.

1108
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:55,570
Well, anyway, maybe somebody else can maybe somebody

1109
00:38:55,570 --> 00:38:58,010
else can tell us that.

1110
00:38:59,130 --> 00:39:02,030
Did you see that the title music service

1111
00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:05,010
is now doing their own sort of like

1112
00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:05,690
donation?

1113
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:07,230
Have you figured it out?

1114
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:09,990
Because it's obviously it works with cash app

1115
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:13,310
because I know that is it a square?

1116
00:39:13,570 --> 00:39:14,750
Is that the square?

1117
00:39:14,910 --> 00:39:16,270
Is that Dorsey's thing square?

1118
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:16,810
Yes.

1119
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:17,290
Square.

1120
00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:17,830
Square.

1121
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:21,330
I know they bought title for, I think,

1122
00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:24,150
several hundred million dollars, which was weird when

1123
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:24,930
they did it.

1124
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:25,770
Right.

1125
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:27,190
Well, we always knew that.

1126
00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:29,070
And he even said at the time, Dorsey

1127
00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:30,490
said, you know, oh, this is going to

1128
00:39:30,490 --> 00:39:31,930
be you know, we're going to connect this

1129
00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:33,750
to cash app and direct payments.

1130
00:39:34,830 --> 00:39:37,090
And the whole title thing by itself was

1131
00:39:37,090 --> 00:39:39,390
kind of odd because they were focusing a

1132
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:42,430
lot on real high quality audio, which, as

1133
00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:44,050
it turns out, nobody cares about.

1134
00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:46,330
OK, James, I hear you.

1135
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:46,630
Yes.

1136
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:48,530
Some people do care about it.

1137
00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:49,190
Yeah.

1138
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:50,190
Him and Neil Young.

1139
00:39:50,410 --> 00:39:51,870
Well, Neil Young had a had a whole

1140
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:53,410
device and a whole system.

1141
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:56,070
And and that went out of business because

1142
00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:58,070
just there wasn't enough demand for it.

1143
00:39:58,850 --> 00:39:59,950
You had the thing that was like shaped

1144
00:39:59,950 --> 00:40:00,990
like a prism or something.

1145
00:40:01,270 --> 00:40:01,730
Yes, exactly.

1146
00:40:01,870 --> 00:40:02,330
Yeah, exactly.

1147
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:05,430
I have one somewhere still, but it didn't

1148
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:07,050
play like FLAC files or something.

1149
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:08,890
Oh, I don't remember.

1150
00:40:09,590 --> 00:40:10,710
It was lossless.

1151
00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:11,690
The files were huge.

1152
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:13,890
I remember it took a while for him

1153
00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:15,090
to come down the pipe.

1154
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:17,270
Yeah.

1155
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,940
But I never understood that because I mean,

1156
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,220
that'd be like it was like PayPal buying

1157
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,700
Pandora or something is like, what?

1158
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,240
What?

1159
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,060
Why are you buying a music service?

1160
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,380
Well, for this very reason, let me see,

1161
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:39,680
explain the way title will work with.

1162
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:46,860
Cash app to pay artists directly, and I'm

1163
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:48,720
really curious how they do this, because this

1164
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,840
is all licensed music, which means you've got

1165
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,420
to split that money.

1166
00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:54,300
It's got to.

1167
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,640
Got to under, you know, it's not like

1168
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,940
value for value music where whoever puts it

1169
00:41:00,940 --> 00:41:03,360
up, you know, you you determine your splits.

1170
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:05,360
I doubt that they have those splits.

1171
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,740
OK, title music.

1172
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:08,700
Oh, it's owned by block.

1173
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:10,460
OK, that is block, not square.

1174
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,040
OK, well, my my agent, my agent, AI

1175
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,740
is searching for an answer.

1176
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,140
And what AI is this?

1177
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:23,640
Oh, I use Grok pretty much for everything.

1178
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,280
Oh, OK.

1179
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:26,560
This got the agentic stuff in it.

1180
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,380
I don't know if it's thinking it's browsing,

1181
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:30,100
whatever.

1182
00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:30,960
Yeah, sure.

1183
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:31,960
20 bucks a month.

1184
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:33,380
I mean, as far as long as it

1185
00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:34,320
lasts, I'll take it.

1186
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:36,620
But with my vibe coding, man, I tried

1187
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:37,780
Chad GPT again.

1188
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:39,180
Oh, what a mistake.

1189
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:40,660
Chad GPT.

1190
00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:41,520
Yeah.

1191
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:44,120
It just takes you down the rabbit hole,

1192
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,640
man.

1193
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,640
It's like, well, clearly this, you know, like,

1194
00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:52,500
no, no, I'm not going to reinstall FFMPEG.

1195
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,380
No, that's not my problem.

1196
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,960
You took me down a hole, you know.

1197
00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:01,520
And and the one thing I will say

1198
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,620
that Grok does well is it it opens

1199
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:08,800
up code in a code block window in

1200
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,380
the browser, whereas Chad GPT just keeps it

1201
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:13,740
all in that one page.

1202
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:15,220
And so at a certain point, you've got

1203
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:17,340
two gigs in this one tab and it

1204
00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:19,820
just becomes unwieldy.

1205
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:22,640
And you really I mean, you can do

1206
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,680
branch and it'll open up a new page,

1207
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:27,440
which will still be 800 megs.

1208
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:29,080
And then you try to continue there.

1209
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:30,740
I mean, you might as well just say

1210
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:32,480
describe what we did and I'll start a

1211
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,360
new conversation.

1212
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:35,980
Which is what you have to do often

1213
00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:38,040
with these things, because they have they don't

1214
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,880
they're not very good at remembering what they

1215
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,330
did at all, really.

1216
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:47,870
Yeah, that's OK.

1217
00:42:49,070 --> 00:42:53,650
Titles, direct artist payout program since here comes

1218
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:54,130
finally.

1219
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:55,110
Thank you.

1220
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:57,050
Bad robot.

1221
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:57,990
OK.

1222
00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:59,990
Up to 10 percent of their monthly fee

1223
00:42:59,990 --> 00:43:02,530
is allocated directly to the most streamed artists

1224
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:03,030
of the month.

1225
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:05,190
Oh, so Jay-Z and Beyonce get everything.

1226
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:05,930
Yeah.

1227
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:06,770
And Taylor Swift.

1228
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:08,650
Oh, direct fan contributions.

1229
00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:09,250
Tipping.

1230
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:13,530
Artists set up a contribution button on their

1231
00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:15,010
title profile page.

1232
00:43:15,490 --> 00:43:18,290
Fans see this button and can send money

1233
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:20,310
with a click along with the viewing, along

1234
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:23,090
with viewing a custom message from the artist

1235
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:24,370
from the artist support.

1236
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:27,470
OK, so they have basically a funding tag.

1237
00:43:27,570 --> 00:43:27,810
OK.

1238
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:31,410
Yeah, that's the part that interested me.

1239
00:43:31,610 --> 00:43:34,770
Fans fans pay using their links payments.

1240
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:38,630
OK, so doesn't tell me where it goes.

1241
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:40,030
Hmm.

1242
00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:42,250
Hmm.

1243
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:46,010
OK, so purely, purely proprietary.

1244
00:43:46,770 --> 00:43:47,930
Yeah, of course it is.

1245
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:48,290
Yeah.

1246
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:49,510
We expected that.

1247
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:54,270
Well, you know, but I think, yeah, we

1248
00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:54,610
expect.

1249
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:55,930
Yeah, we expected it.

1250
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:58,550
But I think a lot of people in

1251
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:59,430
the Bitcoin world.

1252
00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:02,890
Are seduced by the Jack.

1253
00:44:04,050 --> 00:44:06,390
You know, Jack of confusion, the Jack stuff.

1254
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:07,470
Yeah.

1255
00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:09,590
I mean, they say that, oh, you know,

1256
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:11,090
Jack's going to be he's good.

1257
00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:11,830
He's good.

1258
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:12,690
He's a good guy.

1259
00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:13,730
He's going to do everything right.

1260
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:14,370
I mean, or whatever.

1261
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:15,950
He's gonna do everything open source.

1262
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:17,670
And it's just not the way this stuff

1263
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:18,090
works.

1264
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:20,270
It really isn't.

1265
00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:22,010
He may be a fine person.

1266
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:24,430
He may be fine, but he's but it's

1267
00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:24,730
not good.

1268
00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:26,510
It's not like everything's going to be open

1269
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:30,850
source that that requires destitute people like us.

1270
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:31,310
Exactly.

1271
00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:36,630
Destitute and desperate.

1272
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:37,370
Exactly.

1273
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:39,230
That's exactly what it is.

1274
00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:40,250
Yeah.

1275
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:44,610
Billionaires usually do not give give away their

1276
00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:45,030
software.

1277
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:47,030
That's just not really in this.

1278
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:48,670
It's not part of the program, typically.

1279
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:50,950
Although, you know, he lost her.

1280
00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:53,270
He kind of gave away some Bitcoin to

1281
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:53,990
make that go.

1282
00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:56,190
Has that grown at all?

1283
00:44:56,310 --> 00:44:59,790
Is anyone is anyone doing anything with Nostra?

1284
00:44:59,890 --> 00:45:00,890
Is there any expansion?

1285
00:45:01,170 --> 00:45:03,330
I mean, I follow the the Damas guy.

1286
00:45:04,510 --> 00:45:06,130
Through the bridge.

1287
00:45:07,210 --> 00:45:08,590
Yeah, he seems to still be kicking.

1288
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:12,730
So is Alex Gleason still doing stuff on

1289
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:14,790
the most or bridge?

1290
00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:16,290
I don't know.

1291
00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:17,690
It seems like it seems like the whole

1292
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:19,810
not it seems like Nostra talk has calmed

1293
00:45:19,810 --> 00:45:20,430
down a lot.

1294
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:22,110
It seems like it's just kind of gone,

1295
00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:23,670
which I think is a background is a

1296
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:29,330
perfect time to rekindle using the Nostra relay

1297
00:45:29,330 --> 00:45:32,930
that Oscar set up to send metadata to

1298
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:33,970
LNURL.

1299
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:36,190
I mean, we're at that point where everybody's

1300
00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:37,970
kind of throwing their hands up and like,

1301
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:39,530
well, this is dying.

1302
00:45:39,730 --> 00:45:42,070
Well, yeah, because we're still all on key

1303
00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:46,630
send and the LNURL pay stuff works.

1304
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:47,550
It works.

1305
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:49,390
I get stuff in my strike wallet only

1306
00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:52,910
from Fountain pretty much or podcast guru.

1307
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:56,390
But if podcast guru, if you're using your

1308
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:58,970
strike wallet there, then it won't go to

1309
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:59,830
a regular key send.

1310
00:45:59,910 --> 00:46:02,370
So we have to kill off key send

1311
00:46:02,370 --> 00:46:05,770
and we have to use the metadata proposal

1312
00:46:05,770 --> 00:46:08,690
that is supported by the biggest player in

1313
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:10,830
the system, which is Fountain.

1314
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:19,830
Yeah, but the problem, the protocol, the protocol

1315
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:23,030
for the meta, the structure for the metadata

1316
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:24,970
and the protocol for how to deliver it

1317
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:26,430
don't have to be the same thing.

1318
00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:28,510
No, I know, but everyone's looking for a

1319
00:46:28,510 --> 00:46:29,190
way to do it.

1320
00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:31,950
Yeah, but that it can be done in

1321
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:32,690
multiple ways.

1322
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:36,990
Like Fountain is publishing the metadata on to

1323
00:46:36,990 --> 00:46:37,430
Nostra.

1324
00:46:37,570 --> 00:46:39,610
That metadata can be published somewhere else just

1325
00:46:39,610 --> 00:46:40,150
as easily.

1326
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:43,230
No, I understand, but everyone's like, well, we

1327
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:44,250
have no way to do this.

1328
00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:44,990
Like, yeah, we do.

1329
00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:47,490
We have an actual published way with a

1330
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:49,670
demo and, and how to do it.

1331
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:52,050
And I think there's even code just do

1332
00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:52,670
it already.

1333
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:54,890
I mean, I know it's easy for me

1334
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:56,370
to say, because I know, I know what

1335
00:46:56,370 --> 00:46:59,830
development is like a little bit, but it's

1336
00:46:59,830 --> 00:47:01,890
not like we haven't already been through this

1337
00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:03,810
loop and already came up with a solution.

1338
00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:04,470
Yeah.

1339
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:07,750
Maybe not everybody agrees with it, but there's

1340
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:10,810
still all this Bitcoin bro VC money.

1341
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:13,450
There's all this stuff lingering in the background,

1342
00:47:13,450 --> 00:47:14,650
which kind of screwed it up in the

1343
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:15,270
first place.

1344
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:18,730
Yeah.

1345
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:23,530
Well, the, I don't know, here's, here's my

1346
00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:25,250
take on stuff like this is I think

1347
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:29,750
if any people, people are going to lean

1348
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:31,050
in the direction that they feel.

1349
00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:31,830
Hold on, sir.

1350
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:35,470
Spencer, there is no backward compatibility with something

1351
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:39,470
that has been deprecated that it just happens.

1352
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:41,730
See, this is what I mean.

1353
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:43,030
This is exactly the problem.

1354
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:44,270
Drop keys in.

1355
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:45,590
That's like, it's just not going to be

1356
00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:46,170
there anymore.

1357
00:47:46,310 --> 00:47:47,870
I mean, you may not like it.

1358
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:49,410
And I loved key send.

1359
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:51,890
We developed the whole idea on key send,

1360
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:54,970
lest you forget who came up with it.

1361
00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:57,770
That was, that was the whole, that was

1362
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:58,610
the beauty of it.

1363
00:47:58,610 --> 00:48:01,290
Sending money in real time, no invoices, no

1364
00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:01,730
permission.

1365
00:48:01,930 --> 00:48:04,370
Believe me, I, it's a shame.

1366
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:05,750
We fought real hard.

1367
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:09,230
I tried to even get what's the bit

1368
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:11,670
thing, the BitPay.

1369
00:48:11,810 --> 00:48:14,590
Bit, no, not BitPay, LNBits.

1370
00:48:15,010 --> 00:48:15,450
LNBits.

1371
00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:16,330
I really tried.

1372
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:17,930
Like, look, you've got an implementation.

1373
00:48:18,190 --> 00:48:20,090
Just, you know, approve the pull request.

1374
00:48:20,590 --> 00:48:21,810
No, no one wants it.

1375
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:24,250
So that's, it's not backwards compatibility.

1376
00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:25,670
It's dead, Jim.

1377
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:27,670
Yeah.

1378
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:30,690
I mean, lightning labs themselves have just killed

1379
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:31,070
it.

1380
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:31,670
Yeah.

1381
00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:34,650
Because that's what, that's what Brian said this

1382
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:36,570
week that, that, that key send has been

1383
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:37,130
deprecated.

1384
00:48:37,350 --> 00:48:40,150
And it sucks, but that's it.

1385
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:41,090
Just give up.

1386
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:42,970
It's, you know, oh, it works good.

1387
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:43,690
No, it doesn't.

1388
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:45,810
Because you're in a very small circle.

1389
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:47,230
And I don't even, what is going on

1390
00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:47,950
with WaveLake?

1391
00:48:48,010 --> 00:48:48,910
Are they still around?

1392
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:49,770
Are they still alive?

1393
00:48:49,850 --> 00:48:52,010
Have they, are they only doing zaps now?

1394
00:48:52,070 --> 00:48:53,710
I have no idea what happened to them.

1395
00:48:54,310 --> 00:48:55,250
I don't know.

1396
00:48:55,810 --> 00:48:56,590
I don't know.

1397
00:48:57,010 --> 00:48:58,730
I was wondering the same thing recently as

1398
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:58,990
well.

1399
00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:02,290
I haven't heard from, Michael was doing a

1400
00:49:02,290 --> 00:49:04,670
couple of podcasts for a while and then

1401
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:05,210
those ended.

1402
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:07,670
The mixtape.

1403
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:08,010
Yeah.

1404
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:08,850
Cause it's hard.

1405
00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:10,790
Surprise, surprise.

1406
00:49:10,850 --> 00:49:13,390
It's hard to do a podcast, to stick

1407
00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:14,190
with it at least.

1408
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:14,750
It's hard.

1409
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:15,350
Absolutely.

1410
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:17,590
And so I don't, yeah.

1411
00:49:17,610 --> 00:49:20,870
I've been wondering the same thing, but you

1412
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:27,950
know, I just, the people, when there's competing

1413
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:30,430
ways of doing, when there's competing sort of

1414
00:49:30,430 --> 00:49:33,090
ideas about how the, about how to do

1415
00:49:33,090 --> 00:49:39,110
something at that point, I think maybe people

1416
00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:41,210
are just going to do, people are going

1417
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:43,010
to lean in the direction of the thing

1418
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:45,410
that they feel most comfortable with.

1419
00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:47,670
And Fountain feels most comfortable.

1420
00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:51,190
Oscar feels most comfortable in the Nostra world.

1421
00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:57,490
And then, you know, other people in the

1422
00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:58,350
community don't.

1423
00:50:00,090 --> 00:50:02,970
And it's, and I think they can just

1424
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:04,830
both, I just think they can both work.

1425
00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:08,270
You know, if there's a, if there's a

1426
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:12,990
meta boost tag in the feed that go,

1427
00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:14,210
that can be dropped in there and it

1428
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:16,590
says, it just, it just specifies, here's where

1429
00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:17,510
to send the metadata.

1430
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:18,230
Yeah.

1431
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:20,770
Well, it can just go to whatever.

1432
00:50:20,910 --> 00:50:23,210
And then that end point, that receptacle can

1433
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:25,450
be Nostra or it can be something else.

1434
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:28,270
I mean, it could, it could even just

1435
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:32,090
be an HTTP post request to some, to

1436
00:50:32,090 --> 00:50:35,750
a backend service that accepts the metadata.

1437
00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:39,830
And the podcaster is saying, here's where you

1438
00:50:39,830 --> 00:50:40,370
send it.

1439
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:42,990
And that thing can go.

1440
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:47,310
And then once, once this agnostic, you know,

1441
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:50,550
sort of receiver gets that thing, it could

1442
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:51,950
put it on the, it could put it

1443
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:53,690
anywhere, you know?

1444
00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:55,770
I mean, it could put it, it could

1445
00:50:55,770 --> 00:51:00,150
put the metadata into on both Nostra and,

1446
00:51:00,330 --> 00:51:03,810
and, you know, something else at the same

1447
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:04,210
time.

1448
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:05,950
Well, let me just touch the third rail,

1449
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:07,010
because it's what I do.

1450
00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:11,390
The issue is that we got this very

1451
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:15,350
strong, the most excited people by value for

1452
00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:15,730
value.

1453
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:17,850
The people who were into it the most,

1454
00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:23,070
unfortunately, were also completely into sovereignty and DMU.

1455
00:51:23,570 --> 00:51:27,490
And we can't have wallets that aren't completely

1456
00:51:27,490 --> 00:51:30,570
independently sovereign running on your own node.

1457
00:51:30,990 --> 00:51:32,690
And that turned a lot of people off,

1458
00:51:32,770 --> 00:51:34,530
people who are just, who just want to

1459
00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:37,370
want it to work like on their strike

1460
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:38,810
wallet or something else.

1461
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:41,010
That's all they wanted.

1462
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:43,810
And there was a very, very strong push.

1463
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:45,610
No, no, no, that's not, that's not doing

1464
00:51:45,610 --> 00:51:46,110
it right.

1465
00:51:46,930 --> 00:51:48,410
And that's where we got stuck.

1466
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:51,410
That's just the fact of it.

1467
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:53,970
So, you know, everyone's like, well, how do

1468
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:55,270
I make it work on my node?

1469
00:51:55,350 --> 00:51:56,190
Well, it's not easy.

1470
00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:57,390
There's a lot of work to do it

1471
00:51:57,390 --> 00:51:58,090
on your own node.

1472
00:51:58,210 --> 00:51:59,010
There really is.

1473
00:51:59,910 --> 00:52:00,070
Yeah.

1474
00:52:00,810 --> 00:52:01,670
You know, but there's...

1475
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:04,030
The other part is that it was never

1476
00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:08,350
having the, having the payment metadata in the,

1477
00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:12,970
in the key send payload TLV was never,

1478
00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:15,630
it was never the right way to do

1479
00:52:15,630 --> 00:52:16,390
it to begin with.

1480
00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:16,750
True.

1481
00:52:17,110 --> 00:52:18,030
That was a hack.

1482
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:19,430
Yeah, absolutely true.

1483
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:22,030
That was a kludge and it just happened

1484
00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:25,990
to work, but you never get, we've seen

1485
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:29,550
repeatedly demonstrations of people sending us boosts and

1486
00:52:29,550 --> 00:52:33,730
just faking the amounts or faking the identities

1487
00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:34,750
or all that kind of thing.

1488
00:52:34,990 --> 00:52:35,810
Sure, sure, sure.

1489
00:52:36,590 --> 00:52:38,190
You know, and that's, that's just, you know,

1490
00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:39,910
that's, I guess that's a part of life,

1491
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:41,250
how it goes.

1492
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:41,890
Oh, you okay?

1493
00:52:41,970 --> 00:52:42,390
What happened?

1494
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:43,430
Yeah, I'm good.

1495
00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:43,670
Yeah.

1496
00:52:43,810 --> 00:52:44,210
Okay.

1497
00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:48,290
But you know, that's just part, I guess

1498
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:49,890
the other part of me wonders, do we

1499
00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:53,410
even need source like identification and verify payment

1500
00:52:53,410 --> 00:52:54,970
verification and this kind of thing?

1501
00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:56,010
I don't feel so.

1502
00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:58,050
And the, and what I'm, the way I

1503
00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:00,150
look at it is I just want it

1504
00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:00,750
to work.

1505
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:05,050
And at the time when you and I

1506
00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:08,370
concepted this, the reason why it worked is

1507
00:53:08,370 --> 00:53:13,910
because lightning allowed programmable money and micro, micro,

1508
00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:15,870
micro payments with very low fees.

1509
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:17,690
That was the whole attraction of it.

1510
00:53:18,830 --> 00:53:23,250
And ever since whatever that stupid upgrade was

1511
00:53:23,250 --> 00:53:26,950
to the lightning network, we will be able

1512
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:29,210
to send other types of tokens over the

1513
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:30,270
lightning network.

1514
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:34,630
And I'm telling Taro, Taro, and I'm telling

1515
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:38,590
you, there are already 400 million people using

1516
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:40,310
stable coin wallets.

1517
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:45,550
It's already 400 million around the world.

1518
00:53:45,730 --> 00:53:47,150
I don't understand because what, I mean, where

1519
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:48,610
do you even get stable coin?

1520
00:53:48,910 --> 00:53:49,530
Oh, you can buy.

1521
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:50,730
How do I go get where?

1522
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:53,130
Well, right now you get it on an

1523
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:53,550
exchange.

1524
00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:54,410
You can buy stable.

1525
00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:58,470
The stable coin has been used mainly as

1526
00:53:58,470 --> 00:54:01,130
a digital intermediary.

1527
00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:03,710
When you're, you want to, for instance, you

1528
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:06,730
want to sell Bitcoin to then quickly turn

1529
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:08,490
around and turn it into a shit coin.

1530
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:13,090
Instead of turning it into dollars, you turn

1531
00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:16,750
it into a stable coin, USD or USDT

1532
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:17,990
or USDC.

1533
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:21,510
And then it's just, it's a microsecond transaction.

1534
00:54:21,810 --> 00:54:23,230
It was really used for traders.

1535
00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:27,210
And, you know, this whole industry is built

1536
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:30,390
up around proving that they have the backing

1537
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:32,210
and that it's pegged to the dollar.

1538
00:54:32,830 --> 00:54:35,330
And I'm telling you that this is going

1539
00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:37,330
to be the way they're going to take

1540
00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:38,930
control away from the federal reserve.

1541
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:41,070
I'm not going to say it's a great

1542
00:54:41,070 --> 00:54:41,590
idea.

1543
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:43,930
There's all kinds of downsides to it.

1544
00:54:44,010 --> 00:54:46,170
Yes, it can be, of course it can

1545
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:52,750
be interrupted, blocked, stopped, hijacked, censored, of course,

1546
00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:54,390
of course.

1547
00:54:54,670 --> 00:54:57,010
But that's why I like the Lightning Network

1548
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:58,970
because you can always say, oh, okay, you

1549
00:54:58,970 --> 00:55:01,250
block me, boom, I'm back to Bitcoin.

1550
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:04,070
And I'll just continue on this way.

1551
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:06,690
But the Lightning Network is perfect for it

1552
00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:08,870
because most of the infrastructure is already in

1553
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:09,230
place.

1554
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:12,910
And man, I'm telling you, this is the

1555
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:16,390
one problem everybody's had with this otherwise great

1556
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:16,910
idea.

1557
00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:18,330
Everyone loves the concept.

1558
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:19,670
Oh, I'd love to pay some money on

1559
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:20,070
the fly.

1560
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:20,450
Sure.

1561
00:55:20,610 --> 00:55:22,810
I'd love to send a boostergram, an attaboy,

1562
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:24,310
a tip, if you will.

1563
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:28,250
And when everyone has gotten used to it

1564
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:31,810
in a couple years' time, when stablecoin dollars

1565
00:55:31,810 --> 00:55:35,010
will just be the normal way you transact

1566
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:40,050
currency, because it's coming, okay, maybe five years.

1567
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:42,510
But I think it'll be shorter than that.

1568
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:47,690
We'll be well-prepared and people will love

1569
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:47,930
it.

1570
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:50,150
And oh, you censor me?

1571
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:51,750
Okay, I'm just going to switch to Bitcoin.

1572
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:52,330
No problem.

1573
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:52,670
Click.

1574
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:53,110
I'm done.

1575
00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:56,210
Look, I'm still, the majority of my life,

1576
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:58,870
my income, my life is PayPal.

1577
00:55:58,870 --> 00:56:01,230
Do you know how precarious that feels?

1578
00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:03,310
Yeah, it's a nice edge.

1579
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:03,730
Yeah.

1580
00:56:04,330 --> 00:56:04,570
Yeah.

1581
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:06,930
I feel you.

1582
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:07,490
Yeah.

1583
00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:12,690
I guess I just, I question, I'm starting

1584
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:16,230
to question the need for attribution.

1585
00:56:16,330 --> 00:56:18,090
Salty crayon, that's not true.

1586
00:56:19,090 --> 00:56:20,010
That's not true.

1587
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:23,450
The fees on, there will be, I think

1588
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:29,250
there'll be no fees on stablecoin transactions.

1589
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:30,650
This is part of the point.

1590
00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:33,250
It really is.

1591
00:56:34,310 --> 00:56:37,230
But do we need attribution though?

1592
00:56:37,350 --> 00:56:41,450
Because what we've been saying from the beginning

1593
00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:43,110
is we need to say, this person said

1594
00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:44,010
they paid this much.

1595
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:48,510
Here's the idea we've been going under.

1596
00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:51,130
This person said that they've been, that they

1597
00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:56,750
donated this much money and we need a

1598
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:58,870
way to verify that that was accurate.

1599
00:56:59,450 --> 00:57:00,530
But do we?

1600
00:57:00,830 --> 00:57:03,430
I guess that's the question because what we're

1601
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:05,750
talking about and the reason this is so

1602
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:09,750
complex to do it the right way is

1603
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:12,770
that we're talking about, and when I say

1604
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:16,150
right way, I mean like truly cross-platform,

1605
00:57:17,330 --> 00:57:19,430
is that we're, I mean, we're, we're really

1606
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:24,710
beginning to develop, we're starting to take, we're

1607
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:29,810
starting to develop a payment system like in

1608
00:57:29,810 --> 00:57:31,410
the true sense of the word and not

1609
00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:33,450
just a way to donate money to podcasts.

1610
00:57:34,610 --> 00:57:37,110
And so if we're just, if, if the

1611
00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:38,350
heart of what we're trying to do is

1612
00:57:38,350 --> 00:57:41,430
donating money to podcasts, you get, you just

1613
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:42,370
get what you get.

1614
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:44,850
And I'm, I'm okay with that because that's

1615
00:57:44,850 --> 00:57:45,770
what we've always had.

1616
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:48,630
We've always had, well, yeah, someone can spoof

1617
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:50,870
it or do something wrong or, you know,

1618
00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:52,690
they send 10 million, they only had a

1619
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:54,550
thousand, it doesn't show up, but then the

1620
00:57:54,550 --> 00:57:55,770
boost comes through as 10 million.

1621
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:56,130
Okay.

1622
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:58,210
That's happened maybe five times.

1623
00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:02,230
And you can still see that, that you,

1624
00:58:02,330 --> 00:58:04,290
you can still see in the transaction that

1625
00:58:04,290 --> 00:58:06,010
it wasn't 10 million, it was 5,000.

1626
00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:07,630
And you can verify it on the backend.

1627
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:08,370
Like, oh, okay.

1628
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:10,430
So, you know, the new helipad.

1629
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:11,970
Right.

1630
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:17,850
So I just, yeah, I'm starting to wonder

1631
00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:19,850
if not, if none of it, if the

1632
00:58:19,850 --> 00:58:23,290
payment proofs themselves don't matter because really what

1633
00:58:23,290 --> 00:58:25,570
they are, what do you, as a podcaster,

1634
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:26,310
what do you want?

1635
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:27,370
Money.

1636
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:29,850
We want hookers and blow, hookers and blow,

1637
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:30,230
baby.

1638
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:31,950
I want all my money in a brown

1639
00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:32,590
paper bag.

1640
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:34,730
I want 24 hour daily most service and

1641
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:35,150
chicks.

1642
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,740
And those books that are hollow that you

1643
00:58:39,740 --> 00:58:41,620
put on yourself and stick your cash in.

1644
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:41,760
Yeah.

1645
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:42,100
Yeah.

1646
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:43,040
You're talking now.

1647
00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:47,620
What you want is you want the money

1648
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:51,680
and you want a note, some feedback.

1649
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,820
Those are the two things you want.

1650
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,460
And there's, so what Fountain did is they,

1651
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:02,380
they layered a social aspect onto this thing

1652
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:05,400
where they're, where they now, where they've, they've

1653
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,700
been able to turn it into comments and

1654
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:10,940
there there's, there's a, there's a social thing

1655
00:59:10,940 --> 00:59:14,040
and true fans also is, is taking it

1656
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:20,100
as a social thing, but it, you know,

1657
00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:22,520
but that's, that's just the direction they've gone

1658
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,580
with their product and that's fine.

1659
00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:32,900
But then you, as the podcaster, you, whether

1660
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:36,220
or not it becomes those payment proofs go

1661
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:39,440
out to Nostra or get published out activity

1662
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,500
pub on through true fan, no matter how

1663
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:45,880
that all works in the end, in the

1664
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,540
end, if you get paid, you just get

1665
00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:48,620
paid and you get a note.

1666
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:49,680
Yeah.

1667
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:51,200
Whether it's in the memo field of the

1668
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,100
bolt 11 or whether it's in the TLV

1669
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,220
of a key sin, you still get the

1670
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:56,320
money and you get a note.

1671
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,540
And that's really all that the podcaster cares

1672
00:59:58,540 --> 00:59:58,820
about.

1673
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,240
So I, I mean, I feel like one

1674
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,160
of the reasons this is so complicated is

1675
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,360
because these are now product decisions, not really

1676
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,540
payment delivery issues because the bolt, because bolt

1677
01:00:11,540 --> 01:00:17,320
11 works and you can stick a note

1678
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:17,980
in it.

1679
01:00:18,140 --> 01:00:21,400
I mean, I don't know.

1680
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:23,620
I don't know what the note is.

1681
01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:26,000
The notes are not very long, but you

1682
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,880
can put one in there, you know, and

1683
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,280
by the way, Ben Rose, I'm not shitting

1684
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,920
on people who want sovereign money.

1685
01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:33,180
I hold Bitcoin.

1686
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:34,840
I love sovereign money.

1687
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:37,260
That's not, that's not the point.

1688
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:39,660
It's like he can't, if, if you see

1689
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:43,460
the results, see the results of only wanting

1690
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:45,700
it to be sovereign, only wanting it to

1691
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:49,360
be self hosted, only wanting, only wanting the

1692
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,920
result is it dies.

1693
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,700
That's just the fact of life.

1694
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,340
And yeah, I just want it.

1695
01:00:56,420 --> 01:00:59,280
I just want to get money value for

1696
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,380
the podcast I'm doing.

1697
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,380
That's all I'll turn it into Bitcoin later.

1698
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:06,420
And if I get the platform and someone

1699
01:01:06,420 --> 01:01:09,140
takes away my thousand sats or my thousand

1700
01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:11,420
pennies or whatever it is, I'll move back

1701
01:01:11,420 --> 01:01:11,960
to Bitcoin.

1702
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:13,460
That's what I like about it.

1703
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:15,800
I have a, I have a built-in

1704
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,480
backup and I'd love to be able to

1705
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:18,220
receive both.

1706
01:01:18,340 --> 01:01:19,920
Why couldn't, why can't I receive both?

1707
01:01:21,020 --> 01:01:22,920
Don't see any reason why that wouldn't work,

1708
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,580
but yeah, you're right.

1709
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,540
We're making product decisions and I just wanted

1710
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:30,560
to make my voice heard because you and

1711
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,280
I came up with it.

1712
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:32,140
It's a good idea.

1713
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,280
It's a fun thing and it's slowly, slowly

1714
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,720
withering away, except within kind of the fountain

1715
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:39,460
ecosystem.

1716
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:40,780
Yeah.

1717
01:01:40,820 --> 01:01:41,840
And we got, you know, we got one

1718
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,560
boost today.

1719
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:43,100
Yeah.

1720
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:46,620
And you know, yeah, it kind of, it's,

1721
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,480
it kind of stinks because it was, because

1722
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,180
it's really fun.

1723
01:01:50,860 --> 01:01:52,740
And well, I got a boost from Chad

1724
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:55,460
F that just came in 3,238 sats.

1725
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,120
He says he's been working with Oscar on

1726
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,760
stuff and I can add wallets, new wallets,

1727
01:01:59,820 --> 01:02:01,240
even send stuff to Nostra.

1728
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,800
But if the feeds have keysend addresses, I

1729
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:04,540
can't do anything.

1730
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,800
If we're doing this, we need to remove

1731
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,280
keysend addresses from the feeds.

1732
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:10,440
This boostogram is going to keysend.

1733
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:10,940
No, I understand.

1734
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,720
Yes, we have to, we have to refactor

1735
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,880
and it sucks.

1736
01:02:15,580 --> 01:02:15,980
Totally.

1737
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:20,500
That's the worst possible scenario for any product

1738
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:22,780
is like, I'm sorry, it's no longer compatible.

1739
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,940
I'm still living with that with my Sonos

1740
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:25,400
system.

1741
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,040
They literally bricked all the, all the, all

1742
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,240
of the, uh, the speakers and say, well,

1743
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:32,820
you got a new app and here's a

1744
01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:33,440
legacy app.

1745
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:34,260
Good luck with that.

1746
01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:37,000
Yeah, it's horrible.

1747
01:02:37,740 --> 01:02:39,380
People get fired over that stuff.

1748
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:42,020
See the Sonos CEO.

1749
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,460
Well, I mean, I just, I appreciate, I

1750
01:02:47,460 --> 01:02:50,600
appreciate what Chad F is doing and Alex,

1751
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,540
you know, and, and, and, uh, Eric PP

1752
01:02:55,540 --> 01:03:01,840
and, you know, I just, I'm, I'm just,

1753
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:03,560
I'm thankful that they're trying, that they're trying

1754
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,260
to get this stuff sort of kind of

1755
01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:06,860
something, trying to get something working.

1756
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,700
Um, and, uh, I don't know.

1757
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:14,940
I just, I hope it works and I'm

1758
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:15,280
not sure.

1759
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,770
I feel like, uh, and Oscar, I'm sorry.

1760
01:03:19,850 --> 01:03:22,510
I mean, Oscar too, cause Oscar wants this

1761
01:03:22,510 --> 01:03:23,570
stuff to be open source too.

1762
01:03:23,610 --> 01:03:25,990
Cause his, his app and, and, and Sam,

1763
01:03:26,410 --> 01:03:29,670
you know, cause they, they need this stuff

1764
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:32,870
to work cross platform because it helps them

1765
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:34,550
when everybody else can participate.

1766
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:38,270
They don't want true fans is Sam and

1767
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:41,790
neither Sam or Oscar want a closed ecosystem

1768
01:03:41,790 --> 01:03:44,190
where everybody must use their thing in order

1769
01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:47,770
to be exactly because that's just not, it's

1770
01:03:47,770 --> 01:03:49,070
not, it's not enough.

1771
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:50,150
It won't work.

1772
01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:53,970
Um, on its, on its own.

1773
01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:58,170
It really, uh, and I'm thankful that those

1774
01:03:58,170 --> 01:03:59,950
guys are actually working and trying to figure

1775
01:03:59,950 --> 01:04:00,830
this stuff out.

1776
01:04:01,310 --> 01:04:03,750
Um, I feel guilty that I'm not, that

1777
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:05,730
I don't have, you should, you should feel

1778
01:04:05,730 --> 01:04:06,210
guilty.

1779
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:07,750
You shouldn't feel very guilty.

1780
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:10,310
I don't have the mental bandwidth right now

1781
01:04:10,310 --> 01:04:11,510
to honestly get in it.

1782
01:04:11,610 --> 01:04:13,130
You know what, if you were in there,

1783
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:14,290
it would be fixed.

1784
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:15,850
And I'm just, I'm not saying that to

1785
01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:16,990
make you feel bad or anything.

1786
01:04:16,990 --> 01:04:18,030
It's just the fact.

1787
01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:20,130
Oh, I don't think so.

1788
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:20,470
Oh yeah.

1789
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:21,030
Oh yeah.

1790
01:04:21,110 --> 01:04:23,330
I think this is a complicated problem.

1791
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:24,610
I know.

1792
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:27,050
I mean, I appreciate that thought, but that's

1793
01:04:27,050 --> 01:04:31,550
not, I just, I think this is, I

1794
01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:33,150
don't think that at all.

1795
01:04:33,850 --> 01:04:35,850
Um, and part of the reason I've stayed

1796
01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:38,090
out of it is cause I don't, it

1797
01:04:38,090 --> 01:04:40,590
feels like product decisions and I'm afraid I'm,

1798
01:04:40,650 --> 01:04:45,190
you know, I feel like I'm going to,

1799
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:48,890
uh, I don't feel like I have anything

1800
01:04:48,890 --> 01:04:50,210
to say on those things.

1801
01:04:51,050 --> 01:04:52,910
It, it's a comp, it's a comp, Eric

1802
01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:53,650
is right.

1803
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:54,650
It's just, it's complicated.

1804
01:04:55,230 --> 01:04:55,990
It's complicated.

1805
01:04:56,190 --> 01:04:57,710
I mean, you, you, I mean, Alex started

1806
01:04:57,710 --> 01:05:02,450
writing an API to receive payments in, I

1807
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:03,290
mean, which was good.

1808
01:05:03,310 --> 01:05:04,590
You have to write a whole API.

1809
01:05:05,370 --> 01:05:07,850
That's not easy.

1810
01:05:07,930 --> 01:05:08,610
That's a big pride.

1811
01:05:08,670 --> 01:05:10,050
That's APIs.

1812
01:05:10,530 --> 01:05:11,750
What are you talking about?

1813
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:14,550
I wrote a meta proxy API.

1814
01:05:14,830 --> 01:05:15,790
It's humming along.

1815
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:17,130
Uh, yeah.

1816
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:19,930
And that, that's when you're talking about risk,

1817
01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:22,350
you know, receiving payment proofs in an API

1818
01:05:22,350 --> 01:05:26,130
spec, that is a big lift.

1819
01:05:26,570 --> 01:05:27,610
Yes, I know.

1820
01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:30,490
You know, and the only, the reason this

1821
01:05:30,490 --> 01:05:32,970
worked at the beginning was because key send

1822
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:35,010
was already functional and documented.

1823
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:36,350
Yeah.

1824
01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:41,190
This next thing that we're doing, um, is

1825
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:45,690
not, and you can say, yeah, you know,

1826
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:50,410
I understand Nostra's there and there's already, there's

1827
01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:53,350
already a spec for it, but that doesn't

1828
01:05:53,350 --> 01:05:59,490
like, that doesn't change the fact that Nostra

1829
01:05:59,490 --> 01:06:03,810
is just virtually unknown outside of a few

1830
01:06:03,810 --> 01:06:05,930
people in the Bitcoin world.

1831
01:06:07,090 --> 01:06:08,610
I mean, if, if this is going to

1832
01:06:08,610 --> 01:06:12,230
be anything and then who runs this and

1833
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:14,190
then who runs the Nostra relay that's going

1834
01:06:14,190 --> 01:06:15,610
to be, what are we going to run

1835
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:16,350
a Nostra relay?

1836
01:06:17,470 --> 01:06:19,150
No, I mean, this was, this stuff works

1837
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:21,050
right now because it's running on fountains relay.

1838
01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:21,370
Right.

1839
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:23,470
But the whole beauty of relays is anybody

1840
01:06:23,470 --> 01:06:25,390
can set up a relay, which by the

1841
01:06:25,390 --> 01:06:27,550
way, is the number one place censorship can

1842
01:06:27,550 --> 01:06:28,230
take place.

1843
01:06:29,330 --> 01:06:30,650
You know, it's like all of that can

1844
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:31,030
happen.

1845
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:34,110
I mean, they're talking censorship in Bitcoin core

1846
01:06:34,110 --> 01:06:34,790
at this point.

1847
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:36,470
There's all kinds of stuff going on.

1848
01:06:36,530 --> 01:06:38,470
That's the beauty of open source projects like

1849
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:40,990
this is what makes it exciting.

1850
01:06:42,930 --> 01:06:44,350
But that's what I'm saying is like, it

1851
01:06:44,350 --> 01:06:48,810
fountain runs their own relay in order for

1852
01:06:48,810 --> 01:06:50,910
this to be broader than found.

1853
01:06:51,250 --> 01:06:52,330
You have two choices.

1854
01:06:52,330 --> 01:06:53,350
If you're going to, if we're going to

1855
01:06:53,350 --> 01:06:55,290
say, okay, Nostra is the way, is the

1856
01:06:55,290 --> 01:06:56,410
way that we're going to do this.

1857
01:06:58,010 --> 01:07:00,310
And I'm seeing here again, I'm saying we,

1858
01:07:00,550 --> 01:07:01,370
well, who is we?

1859
01:07:01,890 --> 01:07:03,170
I don't control people.

1860
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:05,090
Everybody can do whatever they want.

1861
01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:06,990
Dave, you totally control me.

1862
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:08,710
Whatever you want me to do, I will

1863
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:08,950
do.

1864
01:07:09,090 --> 01:07:10,430
You know, this is a truth.

1865
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:11,470
Monkey.

1866
01:07:12,130 --> 01:07:12,350
Yes.

1867
01:07:12,530 --> 01:07:13,030
Yes, master.

1868
01:07:14,310 --> 01:07:18,490
And so if you go like, if, if

1869
01:07:18,490 --> 01:07:21,950
we were to say, okay, let's, let's all

1870
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:22,890
try to do Nostra.

1871
01:07:23,830 --> 01:07:25,950
Who's going to run the, who's, what relay

1872
01:07:25,950 --> 01:07:27,070
is this stuff going to go to?

1873
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:29,050
Well, can't you have any relay you want?

1874
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:32,530
Yeah, but, but you can't, yeah, but that's

1875
01:07:32,530 --> 01:07:33,110
an idea.

1876
01:07:33,550 --> 01:07:35,490
I'm saying who's actually going to run it.

1877
01:07:35,570 --> 01:07:35,810
Okay.

1878
01:07:35,850 --> 01:07:36,510
I'll run one.

1879
01:07:37,610 --> 01:07:40,090
But because if you put this information on,

1880
01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:43,590
if you put these payment proofs onto a

1881
01:07:43,590 --> 01:07:46,490
dom, some just public relay, like domus or

1882
01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:48,930
something, well now everybody can see it.

1883
01:07:48,970 --> 01:07:50,470
What if, what if podcaster doesn't want you

1884
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:50,850
to see it?

1885
01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:51,210
Right.

1886
01:07:51,350 --> 01:07:53,990
Well, that's another conversation that came up a

1887
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:55,690
long time ago with the booster grams.

1888
01:07:57,290 --> 01:07:59,950
And I think for me, we're past that.

1889
01:08:00,010 --> 01:08:02,330
In fact, part of the value for value

1890
01:08:02,330 --> 01:08:06,130
system, which I've documented value for value.io

1891
01:08:06,130 --> 01:08:07,610
or info, sorry.

1892
01:08:08,530 --> 01:08:09,830
I don't even know where it lives anymore.

1893
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:16,950
Um, is that the entire motivating factor behind

1894
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:21,149
value for value support of podcasts is that

1895
01:08:21,149 --> 01:08:22,729
it is open and transparent.

1896
01:08:23,109 --> 01:08:25,050
People actually like it.

1897
01:08:25,310 --> 01:08:28,290
It's just, you know, you go to give,

1898
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:30,470
send, go or go fund me.

1899
01:08:30,510 --> 01:08:32,649
And the first thing everybody does is looks

1900
01:08:32,649 --> 01:08:34,630
at what money everyone else gave.

1901
01:08:36,370 --> 01:08:39,229
That's it's how the system works, right?

1902
01:08:39,330 --> 01:08:39,550
Oh.

1903
01:08:39,750 --> 01:08:42,970
And the transparency is good because people say,

1904
01:08:43,090 --> 01:08:44,910
oh, I can sit there and count and

1905
01:08:44,910 --> 01:08:46,490
see how exactly how much money you made.

1906
01:08:46,529 --> 01:08:49,270
And maybe that's a deciding factor for somebody.

1907
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:50,529
I'm not against that.

1908
01:08:51,290 --> 01:08:51,410
Yeah.

1909
01:08:51,410 --> 01:08:54,189
I'm not against, I'm not against the idea,

1910
01:08:54,569 --> 01:08:57,870
but I don't get to make those decisions

1911
01:08:57,870 --> 01:08:58,430
for other people.

1912
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:59,069
Yeah, but I do.

1913
01:08:59,149 --> 01:09:01,510
You see, you're the pod father.

1914
01:09:01,670 --> 01:09:03,350
I'm not the pod Sage.

1915
01:09:04,290 --> 01:09:05,569
I'm the pod kid.

1916
01:09:08,270 --> 01:09:11,210
But it's like the, the, that's what I'm

1917
01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:11,330
saying.

1918
01:09:11,370 --> 01:09:11,990
I mean, I can't.

1919
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:15,170
So that means, that means everybody's going to

1920
01:09:15,170 --> 01:09:17,229
have to either post a fountains relay or

1921
01:09:17,229 --> 01:09:18,810
somebody else is going to have to set

1922
01:09:18,810 --> 01:09:19,210
one up.

1923
01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:23,430
That's like, quote unquote, dedicated to, you know,

1924
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:24,590
to whatever.

1925
01:09:24,750 --> 01:09:28,229
I mean, like, you know, Eric said, everybody

1926
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:29,410
can run their own relay.

1927
01:09:29,550 --> 01:09:31,090
Well, we've seen how that works with everybody

1928
01:09:31,090 --> 01:09:32,330
running their own lightning node.

1929
01:09:32,830 --> 01:09:33,189
Right.

1930
01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:35,649
But don't these relays at a certain point,

1931
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:37,270
don't they all cross pollinate?

1932
01:09:37,350 --> 01:09:39,330
Am I misunderstanding how Nostra works?

1933
01:09:39,830 --> 01:09:41,470
Not that I'm not out of the box.

1934
01:09:41,609 --> 01:09:43,130
No, I think you have to add extra

1935
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:44,670
layers of stuff on top.

1936
01:09:44,830 --> 01:09:45,130
Extra bits.

1937
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:46,170
Extra bits.

1938
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:48,410
You got to put extra, you got to

1939
01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:49,270
put extra stuff on top.

1940
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:50,710
Well, anyway, I'm open to testing.

1941
01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:52,930
So if anybody has any, anything they want

1942
01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:54,530
me to test, I'm happy to do it.

1943
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:57,910
I really am looking forward to it.

1944
01:09:58,090 --> 01:09:59,370
Now I can implement some stuff.

1945
01:09:59,890 --> 01:10:01,010
I'm a node runner.

1946
01:10:02,230 --> 01:10:05,230
Now, I know you didn't say everybody here,

1947
01:10:05,310 --> 01:10:07,650
but I'm just, but the sentiment is that

1948
01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:08,910
people can run their own.

1949
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:11,730
And I'm just saying that that's a, we

1950
01:10:11,730 --> 01:10:15,150
saw, we've seen how that collapses when everybody

1951
01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:17,290
had to get off Albie and run their

1952
01:10:17,290 --> 01:10:17,870
own node.

1953
01:10:18,010 --> 01:10:19,510
Well, yeah, it collapses.

1954
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:23,010
It collapses the, the normies, if you will.

1955
01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:25,670
Of course they're all, they immediately, they they're

1956
01:10:25,670 --> 01:10:25,990
gone.

1957
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:29,630
That's why we don't get boosts anymore on

1958
01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:31,250
the, on the show very much is that,

1959
01:10:31,690 --> 01:10:35,410
you know, it takes nerds like CSB to

1960
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:36,850
send us a boost.

1961
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:37,410
Did he?

1962
01:10:38,830 --> 01:10:40,090
Yeah, he always does.

1963
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:42,270
He's the only guy that boosted us this

1964
01:10:42,270 --> 01:10:42,570
week.

1965
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:45,870
I don't know.

1966
01:10:45,930 --> 01:10:47,170
It's, it's a hard problem.

1967
01:10:48,130 --> 01:10:50,030
And well, I'm, I'm here to help.

1968
01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:53,860
I'm happy to help.

1969
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:58,320
You know, I finally got Dvorak to accept

1970
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,160
lightning payments and all he does is scoff

1971
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,920
at me because he says, look, there's nothing

1972
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:04,460
coming in.

1973
01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:05,220
Told you so.

1974
01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:08,740
Yeah.

1975
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,640
It's about five years too late, but well,

1976
01:11:11,660 --> 01:11:12,220
there you go.

1977
01:11:12,380 --> 01:11:13,280
There you go.

1978
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:15,120
This is a friend, maybe the first time

1979
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,340
that, that you're, you were late on something.

1980
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:20,060
It's his fault.

1981
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:21,780
It's totally his fault.

1982
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:22,520
It's not my fault.

1983
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:24,440
Oh man.

1984
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,320
I don't know.

1985
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,760
It's, I don't know.

1986
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,620
I don't know what to think about it.

1987
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:30,020
Honestly.

1988
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:34,920
Well, yeah, we've got one thing we do

1989
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,540
have to have an uncomfortable discussion about.

1990
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:39,180
Oh boy.

1991
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,240
Is spam in the index?

1992
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,680
Oh, this is, this is actually, uh, had

1993
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:48,460
it on my list.

1994
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:49,780
So take it away.

1995
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:50,660
Yeah, I did.

1996
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,840
Um, there's spam in the index.

1997
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:57,460
Who, who is they?

1998
01:11:59,540 --> 01:12:06,180
Um, well the, the spam, um, the one,

1999
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,660
the one I hit this morning, so there's,

2000
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:09,380
there's WordPress.

2001
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,860
So here's, here's where this stuff is coming

2002
01:12:11,860 --> 01:12:13,600
from, from best I know.

2003
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:24,510
Um, WordPress blogs that are, um,

2004
01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:28,330
using really simple syndicate or excuse me, uh,

2005
01:12:28,330 --> 01:12:28,830
what's it called?

2006
01:12:29,230 --> 01:12:29,670
PowerPress?

2007
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:32,310
No, it's the, it's the one from Castos.

2008
01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:33,990
Seriously simple.

2009
01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:34,850
Yeah, seriously simple.

2010
01:12:35,210 --> 01:12:39,530
And WordPress blogs, I've seen it coming from

2011
01:12:39,530 --> 01:12:40,310
PowerPress as well.

2012
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:45,830
WordPress blogs that spin up, install PowerPress and

2013
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:49,730
just start creating thousands of feeds of affiliate

2014
01:12:49,730 --> 01:12:50,250
spam.

2015
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:55,370
And so I cleared out about 2,500

2016
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:58,270
of those this morning from the index.

2017
01:12:58,490 --> 01:13:01,890
Now that they, they create feeds with enclosures.

2018
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:03,470
Yeah.

2019
01:13:03,550 --> 01:13:05,170
And it's just, it's just a lot of

2020
01:13:05,170 --> 01:13:06,270
times they don't even play.

2021
01:13:06,410 --> 01:13:07,950
There's, it's just a link to a blank

2022
01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:08,630
audio file.

2023
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:09,450
Oh, okay.

2024
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:11,470
Um, sometimes they do.

2025
01:13:11,490 --> 01:13:14,330
And it's just like completely unintelligible what the

2026
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:15,330
audio is supposed to be.

2027
01:13:15,330 --> 01:13:18,870
It's just completely, it's just junk and they're

2028
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:23,030
just trying to get indexed by something, maybe

2029
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:24,670
by LLMs or by search engines.

2030
01:13:24,670 --> 01:13:25,470
I don't know.

2031
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:31,550
It's some SEO shotgun, shotgun approach, shotgun approach.

2032
01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:33,850
So I killed about 2,500 of these

2033
01:13:33,850 --> 01:13:34,170
today.

2034
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:36,510
I killed probably about 1,500 of them

2035
01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:38,690
last week from a different blog.

2036
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:44,450
Uh, then I saw this thing, uh, it

2037
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:45,830
was a bunch of audio books.

2038
01:13:47,730 --> 01:13:48,770
Probably pirated.

2039
01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:50,570
Pirated audio books.

2040
01:13:50,650 --> 01:13:50,870
Yes.

2041
01:13:52,190 --> 01:13:55,290
And some of these are coming from legit

2042
01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:58,330
hosting companies and I'm going to reach out

2043
01:13:58,330 --> 01:13:59,590
to them and let them know.

2044
01:13:59,750 --> 01:14:00,570
Oh, okay.

2045
01:14:00,650 --> 01:14:02,250
Cause they seem to still be active and

2046
01:14:02,250 --> 01:14:04,470
it's probably people abusing their trial accounts.

2047
01:14:04,770 --> 01:14:05,050
Yeah.

2048
01:14:05,290 --> 01:14:07,090
Cause that's where all the shenanigans happen.

2049
01:14:07,190 --> 01:14:08,110
So I'm going to reach out and let

2050
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:08,550
them know.

2051
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:10,830
But then there's also this, I found this

2052
01:14:10,830 --> 01:14:11,970
other thing this morning.

2053
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:15,850
It was a bunch of feeds going to

2054
01:14:15,850 --> 01:14:21,310
easy hosting dot space, 274 of these feeds.

2055
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:24,050
And these are audio, you know, full audio

2056
01:14:24,050 --> 01:14:26,490
books come here to listen to free audio

2057
01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:28,350
books, you know, and it's all in it's

2058
01:14:28,350 --> 01:14:28,730
copyright.

2059
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:30,390
You know, these are copyrighted things.

2060
01:14:31,210 --> 01:14:32,390
Easy hosting dot space.

2061
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:34,290
And that just, if you go to easy

2062
01:14:34,290 --> 01:14:36,030
hosting dot space, if you just type that

2063
01:14:36,030 --> 01:14:39,110
address in, it redirects you to audio books

2064
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:39,790
.com.

2065
01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:45,180
And maybe I'm crazy, but a domain as

2066
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:48,140
expensive as audio books.com that probably is

2067
01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:49,340
legit service, right?

2068
01:14:50,020 --> 01:14:50,460
Hmm.

2069
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:52,240
I don't know.

2070
01:14:52,260 --> 01:14:53,020
Let me take a look.

2071
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:55,580
That's interesting.

2072
01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:58,100
Easy hosting dot space.

2073
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,740
And that just re redirects you to audio

2074
01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:02,740
books.com.

2075
01:15:05,210 --> 01:15:10,720
And so, so do they redirect directly to

2076
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:11,580
an audio book?

2077
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,740
No, it directs you to like a sign

2078
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:16,460
up free.

2079
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:17,740
Okay.

2080
01:15:17,860 --> 01:15:21,080
Well that's not a podcast, right?

2081
01:15:21,260 --> 01:15:23,600
No, it's that's not, it's not a valid

2082
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:24,100
enclosure.

2083
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:27,680
It doesn't open unless you call an HTML

2084
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,580
page, a valid enclosure.

2085
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:30,000
No.

2086
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,000
So the only there's.

2087
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,600
That's probably 100% affiliate spam because if

2088
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,340
someone, you know, so they know where it

2089
01:15:38,340 --> 01:15:41,700
came from, the refer link is the whatever

2090
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:43,640
that website was that you mentioned.

2091
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:44,900
So that's just refer spam.

2092
01:15:44,900 --> 01:15:45,480
Okay.

2093
01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:50,700
So this, this easy, this easy hosting dot

2094
01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:56,680
space is what they're just redirecting to audio

2095
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,660
books.com to get the affiliate spam.

2096
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,000
That's what I would suspect.

2097
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:01,580
Yes.

2098
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:02,620
Yeah.

2099
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,500
So this, this stuff is just rampant right

2100
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:04,820
now.

2101
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:08,080
And so do you have ways to test

2102
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,440
before we add something and are they, are

2103
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:13,380
they pod pinging or are they just adding

2104
01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:14,020
manually?

2105
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:16,480
Yeah.

2106
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:16,780
Okay.

2107
01:16:16,820 --> 01:16:17,040
Yeah.

2108
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:17,240
I see.

2109
01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:17,520
Yeah.

2110
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:18,120
Yeah.

2111
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:18,920
I see what you mean, Daniel.

2112
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:23,240
So yeah, no, they're coming from, so we,

2113
01:16:23,260 --> 01:16:25,540
we ingest feeds a bunch of different ways,

2114
01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:28,040
you know, from a lot of different sources.

2115
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:29,940
And one of the ways we do it

2116
01:16:29,940 --> 01:16:32,380
is through pod ping.

2117
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,560
Uh, we also do it through missed search

2118
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,020
hits.

2119
01:16:37,020 --> 01:16:40,200
So if somebody searches for a feed URL

2120
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,980
and we don't have it, we then check

2121
01:16:44,980 --> 01:16:46,380
it to see if it's a valid RSS

2122
01:16:46,380 --> 01:16:46,820
feed.

2123
01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:49,220
And if it is, then we add it.

2124
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:49,940
Got it.

2125
01:16:50,220 --> 01:16:54,180
So that's, and this is an RSS feed

2126
01:16:54,180 --> 01:16:55,280
and it passes all the checks.

2127
01:16:55,380 --> 01:16:56,160
It's a valid feed.

2128
01:16:57,180 --> 01:16:59,560
Um, you know, with valid enclosures and all

2129
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,580
that kind of stuff, but it's just crap.

2130
01:17:02,940 --> 01:17:04,640
And, um, the only way I can think

2131
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,820
of to battle against this would be some

2132
01:17:07,820 --> 01:17:11,920
sort of machine learning that would, that we

2133
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,660
would have to train to, to try to

2134
01:17:13,660 --> 01:17:14,720
identify this stuff.

2135
01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:18,220
But, um, I don't know, man, it's just

2136
01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:18,840
a big problem.

2137
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,800
I mean, the, the main reason I brought

2138
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,440
it up was because, um, you know, I

2139
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:28,000
wanted to let hosting companies that have trial

2140
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,380
that allow trial accounts, uh, for a long,

2141
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,560
for a while, it was like Vietnamese poke

2142
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:35,760
online poker sites.

2143
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:38,300
That was the big thing.

2144
01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:40,640
Now it's now it's audio books.

2145
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,080
That's the latest thing.

2146
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:42,580
Yeah.

2147
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:43,880
I see the problem.

2148
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,260
So everybody heads up, check your, you know,

2149
01:17:48,260 --> 01:17:50,160
check your trial accounts, make sure you're not

2150
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:50,960
getting exploited.

2151
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,400
Is it all, is it all legit trial

2152
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:53,880
accounts?

2153
01:17:55,620 --> 01:17:56,900
Uh, it seems that way.

2154
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:57,800
Yeah.

2155
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:58,940
It seems that way.

2156
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:01,040
Just based on, I'm not, I'm not even

2157
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,520
going to mention which host it is.

2158
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:03,920
Come on out him.

2159
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:04,720
Come on, baby.

2160
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:05,940
Let's do it.

2161
01:18:05,980 --> 01:18:06,540
Let's do it.

2162
01:18:06,860 --> 01:18:09,800
Because it's, it's a, it's just abuse.

2163
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:10,960
It's just flat out abuse.

2164
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:12,480
You know, it's, it's abuse.

2165
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:14,100
Well, then we have the, uh, the other

2166
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:16,100
issue, which is a slop casting.

2167
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,980
Oh, that's, oh, that's horrible.

2168
01:18:19,420 --> 01:18:22,480
But I've actually had a conversation with Dvorak

2169
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:23,200
about it yesterday.

2170
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:25,780
I mean, I really, yeah, I've listened to

2171
01:18:25,780 --> 01:18:29,580
some of these, uh, slop casts, uh, AI

2172
01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:32,860
generated, particularly from the, the former wondry lady

2173
01:18:32,860 --> 01:18:37,140
who are doing 5,000 slop casts, uh,

2174
01:18:37,140 --> 01:18:39,860
3000 feeds or 3000 episodes a week.

2175
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,680
I think it's, I think it's valid.

2176
01:18:43,380 --> 01:18:44,700
What do you mean valid?

2177
01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:45,820
What do you mean?

2178
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,160
These are valid podcasts.

2179
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,700
I have a, I'm at a dis you

2180
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:52,140
got me at a disadvantage cause I've not

2181
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:52,800
heard any of them.

2182
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,520
So I can't, I don't know.

2183
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:55,200
Wow.

2184
01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:55,900
Okay.

2185
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:57,740
Um, hold on a second.

2186
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:58,460
Do you have an example?

2187
01:18:58,540 --> 01:18:59,140
Yeah, of course.

2188
01:19:00,380 --> 01:19:05,800
Nigel Thistledown, Nigel Thistledown does the garden podcast.

2189
01:19:06,780 --> 01:19:07,220
Yeah.

2190
01:19:07,220 --> 01:19:08,600
That's just one example.

2191
01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:10,820
Now, of course, the way they make money

2192
01:19:10,820 --> 01:19:15,040
is they generate these, uh, very cheap podcasts

2193
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,540
and they slap a whole bunch of inserted

2194
01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:18,300
ads on it.

2195
01:19:18,340 --> 01:19:19,380
So let me fast forward.

2196
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:19,880
Hold on.

2197
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,020
Here we go.

2198
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:24,920
Get in on the action.

2199
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,940
This is an investment that carries risk.

2200
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:31,780
Good evening, fellow garden adventurers and wildlife diplomats.

2201
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,760
I'm your host Nigel Thistledown and I must

2202
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,360
once again remind you that I am an

2203
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,820
artificial intelligence, which proves rather advantageous for tonight's

2204
01:19:39,820 --> 01:19:40,360
wild tale.

2205
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,420
You see, while I may never experience the

2206
01:19:43,420 --> 01:19:45,860
genuine terror of discovering a family of badgers

2207
01:19:45,860 --> 01:19:49,460
has redesigned my entire abatious border overnight, I

2208
01:19:49,460 --> 01:19:51,200
possess something rather extraordinary.

2209
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,520
Comprehensive access to centuries of wildlife behavior studies,

2210
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,180
ecological resource that you get the idea.

2211
01:19:58,760 --> 01:19:59,500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2212
01:19:59,980 --> 01:20:00,100
Yeah.

2213
01:20:00,500 --> 01:20:02,820
So I'm like, we should let them in.

2214
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:06,880
Sounds like a podcast.

2215
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:07,580
Yeah.

2216
01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:09,140
I mean, why not?

2217
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,180
Uh, are you against it?

2218
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:16,080
I don't know what I, I guess I

2219
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,440
can't, I don't have a hot take.

2220
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:19,560
I would have to think about it.

2221
01:20:22,670 --> 01:20:25,350
This, this is not, so there was an

2222
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:27,170
episode of America this week.

2223
01:20:27,650 --> 01:20:29,430
This has probably been about a month and

2224
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:31,550
a half ago, maybe a month ago.

2225
01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:37,730
And, um, they were discussing a AI and

2226
01:20:37,730 --> 01:20:38,770
it was around the time.

2227
01:20:38,850 --> 01:20:40,850
I don't know if, if you saw a

2228
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:42,390
Jim Acosta interviewed.

2229
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:45,710
Yeah, I was, I was very surprised.

2230
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:47,710
Did he not know that he was interviewing

2231
01:20:47,710 --> 01:20:49,050
an AI person?

2232
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:50,250
No, he did.

2233
01:20:50,410 --> 01:20:50,770
He did.

2234
01:20:51,070 --> 01:20:53,450
It was all, it was all contrived.

2235
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:54,330
It was all set up.

2236
01:20:54,450 --> 01:20:54,690
All right.

2237
01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:55,230
All right.

2238
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:59,490
But he interviewed the, the, he interviewed the,

2239
01:20:59,550 --> 01:21:03,470
the, an AI version of some kid that

2240
01:21:03,470 --> 01:21:04,970
got killed in a school shooting.

2241
01:21:06,130 --> 01:21:06,650
Yes.

2242
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:07,250
Yes.

2243
01:21:07,390 --> 01:21:07,730
Yes.

2244
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:10,070
I don't remember who the kid was, but

2245
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:13,030
I, it was supposedly like an AI like

2246
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:16,410
version of this kid that they had been

2247
01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:18,790
like trained on this kid's personality.

2248
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:21,270
And so then Jim Acosta asked the kid

2249
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:21,990
a bunch of questions.

2250
01:21:22,130 --> 01:21:25,150
It was very creepy and weird.

2251
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:28,390
And I honestly can't understand how that even

2252
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:32,610
got out of the idea room because it

2253
01:21:32,610 --> 01:21:33,730
was so uncomfortable.

2254
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:34,270
Look at me.

2255
01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:35,070
I'm so hip.

2256
01:21:35,210 --> 01:21:36,590
I'm doing AI interviews.

2257
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:37,430
This is awesome.

2258
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:38,130
I'm great.

2259
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:38,990
I'm Jim Acosta.

2260
01:21:40,670 --> 01:21:43,550
And you know, there was the, the, what

2261
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:46,110
they were discussing was that this, the AI,

2262
01:21:46,330 --> 01:21:50,010
like the AI versions of like that guy

2263
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,960
was, you're still firm.

2264
01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:58,980
We're still firmly in the uncanny Valley of,

2265
01:21:59,140 --> 01:22:04,260
of this stuff where sometimes you, where sometimes

2266
01:22:04,260 --> 01:22:06,020
it's just really obvious that this is not

2267
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:10,940
a real person, but, and, and that lends

2268
01:22:10,940 --> 01:22:15,400
itself to people sort of rebelling against it

2269
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,320
and saying, you know, Oh, it'll never be.

2270
01:22:17,460 --> 01:22:17,800
Yeah.

2271
01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:19,500
Maybe it can do, maybe it can sound

2272
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:21,080
like a person, but it can never do

2273
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,900
so-and-so or it can never fill

2274
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:24,440
in the blank.

2275
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,640
You know, it can never think like a

2276
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,620
real person or it can never, or it

2277
01:22:28,620 --> 01:22:31,340
can never, you know, just fill in your

2278
01:22:31,340 --> 01:22:36,680
blank of it can never, well, you know,

2279
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,220
the problem is, you know, it, it will

2280
01:22:41,220 --> 01:22:47,200
eventually, it will so completely mimic a full

2281
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,360
person that it will get over the uncanny

2282
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,240
Valley hump.

2283
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:57,240
And what this is now is not what

2284
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:01,720
we're living through now is training us to

2285
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,460
accept this stuff.

2286
01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:05,080
Yes.

2287
01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:09,860
Us being bombarded with it is training us

2288
01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:13,020
to be desensitized to the feeling of the

2289
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:17,600
uncanny Valley so that we just accept it

2290
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:18,320
as normal.

2291
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,240
And then it lower, it lowers our tolerance

2292
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,600
threshold down enough to where when AI does

2293
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,440
make another step, then we just forget it

2294
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:29,780
altogether.

2295
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,280
And we just treat it as if it's

2296
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:31,680
fine.

2297
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:32,180
Sir.

2298
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,060
Ben Rose, sir.

2299
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:37,420
Ben Rose had the right, the right statement

2300
01:23:37,420 --> 01:23:39,100
to this in the boardroom.

2301
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:40,900
He says, the reason to keep these shows

2302
01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:42,760
in the index is so that the AI

2303
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,620
models ingest them and collapse faster.

2304
01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:47,720
That's fair.

2305
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:48,980
I'm all for that.

2306
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:50,120
I mean, I'm seeing it.

2307
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,500
If you look at the no agenda, art

2308
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:54,460
generator, no agenda, art generator.com, where we

2309
01:23:54,460 --> 01:23:58,720
have successfully driven away every single artist.

2310
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,100
Oh, I'm talking over 15 years of people

2311
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:02,780
doing art.

2312
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,640
It's all prompt jockeys.

2313
01:24:06,460 --> 01:24:07,520
And if you go look at it right

2314
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,100
now, no agenda, art generator.com, you'll see

2315
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:13,160
the model collapse in place because people are

2316
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,880
using the same models to create, you know,

2317
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,040
similar just images.

2318
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,860
And somehow it's, it's definitely feeding back because

2319
01:24:20,860 --> 01:24:22,900
things start to look orange.

2320
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:25,920
It's all the same cartoonish type thing.

2321
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,460
There's no luminance anymore.

2322
01:24:27,580 --> 01:24:29,580
There's no blacks, no real black.

2323
01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:32,860
It's just kind of washed out.

2324
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,920
It's happening and I'm happy to contribute to

2325
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:37,220
it.

2326
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:39,380
That's fair.

2327
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,520
And, you know, well, if we're going to

2328
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,120
do it that way, we do not definitely

2329
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,720
don't need to label it as AI.

2330
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:46,500
Oh, I don't think you label it.

2331
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,900
Then they'll, then they won't ingest it.

2332
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:48,160
Yeah.

2333
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,240
But that would be a bad thing.

2334
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:51,200
Exactly.

2335
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,660
No, I I'm, I'm against labeling.

2336
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,560
I don't think labeling is necessary, but yeah,

2337
01:24:58,580 --> 01:25:00,000
this, this, but people are listening.

2338
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:01,420
They are listening to these.

2339
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:02,500
Yeah.

2340
01:25:02,540 --> 01:25:05,500
Because their, their tolerance threshold is beginning to

2341
01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:06,160
lower.

2342
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,380
That's going to happen whether we block them

2343
01:25:08,380 --> 01:25:08,720
or not.

2344
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:10,300
Right.

2345
01:25:10,460 --> 01:25:13,300
I, I'm, I'm, I'm yeah.

2346
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,560
And I'm, I'm not against, I'm, I'm, I'm

2347
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,180
okay with it.

2348
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:19,960
Have they actually even submitted?

2349
01:25:20,140 --> 01:25:21,120
I don't, have we even looked?

2350
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,320
I don't know.

2351
01:25:22,380 --> 01:25:23,360
Where did you get that?

2352
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:24,220
Where'd you get that from?

2353
01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:24,640
Apple.

2354
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:27,560
Yeah.

2355
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,220
What's the name of it?

2356
01:25:29,220 --> 01:25:30,140
The gardening process.

2357
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,820
What was that guy's name again?

2358
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:34,760
Nigel.

2359
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,100
Nigel Thistledown.

2360
01:25:36,260 --> 01:25:36,740
Hold on.

2361
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:37,480
Thistledown.

2362
01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:40,180
That sounds like a villain from Sherlock Holmes.

2363
01:25:40,340 --> 01:25:43,240
Oh, but they have, they have Instagram pages.

2364
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:44,380
They got everything.

2365
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:45,020
Let's see.

2366
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:46,640
Nigel Thistledown.

2367
01:25:46,780 --> 01:25:49,400
Let's see if it's already been admitted into

2368
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,980
the index and nope, not there.

2369
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,640
Guide to spring gardening with Nigel Thistledown.

2370
01:25:55,740 --> 01:25:56,480
It's in the index.

2371
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:57,920
It's on Spotify.

2372
01:25:58,940 --> 01:26:00,340
This is in Spotify.

2373
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,440
Guide to, let's see.

2374
01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:03,700
Oh, guide to spring garden.

2375
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:04,260
Yeah, it is.

2376
01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:05,340
Guide to spring gardening.

2377
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:06,520
Nigel Thistledown.

2378
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:07,260
He's here.

2379
01:26:08,460 --> 01:26:08,620
Yeah.

2380
01:26:08,820 --> 01:26:10,240
Only one episode though.

2381
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:11,060
One episode.

2382
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:12,340
By QP daily.

2383
01:26:12,780 --> 01:26:13,900
What is QP daily?

2384
01:26:13,900 --> 01:26:15,600
Well, this is, this is a, uh, this

2385
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:16,360
is from Spreaker.

2386
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,360
Well, they're on Spreaker.

2387
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:18,700
They are.

2388
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:20,580
I wonder, wonder he's on Spreaker or whatever.

2389
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,280
This, this outfit that does it.

2390
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:23,000
They're on Spreaker.

2391
01:26:23,460 --> 01:26:24,860
What's the name of that company?

2392
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:32,720
It doesn't.

2393
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:40,170
Um, why can I not find it now?

2394
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:43,960
Podcast.

2395
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:45,440
Oh, here we go.

2396
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,580
This is in the Hollywood reporter and their

2397
01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:52,940
name is Inception Point AI.

2398
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:58,630
This was, this feed was added in May.

2399
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:59,130
May.

2400
01:26:59,330 --> 01:26:59,630
Yeah.

2401
01:26:59,870 --> 01:27:02,330
Now that's, that must've just been an errant

2402
01:27:02,330 --> 01:27:04,110
feed that flooped out somewhere.

2403
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:06,610
And they're going through, they're, they're coming in

2404
01:27:06,610 --> 01:27:07,050
through Spreaker.

2405
01:27:07,330 --> 01:27:07,770
Yeah.

2406
01:27:08,010 --> 01:27:09,370
I'm pretty sure they're doing Spreaker.

2407
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:14,430
Um, it's their quiet please podcast network.

2408
01:27:14,890 --> 01:27:14,990
Huh?

2409
01:27:15,710 --> 01:27:16,050
Oh yeah.

2410
01:27:16,170 --> 01:27:16,590
QP.

2411
01:27:16,750 --> 01:27:17,630
So that's what that is.

2412
01:27:17,630 --> 01:27:18,150
QP.

2413
01:27:18,430 --> 01:27:18,670
Yeah.

2414
01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:20,870
It says QP daily is the, is the

2415
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:21,870
author on the feed.

2416
01:27:24,430 --> 01:27:26,090
I'm resetting it to see if there's more

2417
01:27:26,090 --> 01:27:26,510
episodes.

2418
01:27:26,650 --> 01:27:30,450
We, we down, we, the, the API downranked

2419
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:32,510
it to negative one priority, which must've mean,

2420
01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:34,430
which must mean that they didn't produce any

2421
01:27:34,430 --> 01:27:35,410
episodes for a while.

2422
01:27:36,710 --> 01:27:38,530
They may have just published the feed and

2423
01:27:38,530 --> 01:27:41,310
just not published any episodes for a period

2424
01:27:41,310 --> 01:27:41,710
of time.

2425
01:27:41,710 --> 01:27:43,270
If they started in May and people are

2426
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:44,250
just now noticing it.

2427
01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:47,790
Here's a Ryan Reynolds, a QP podcast.

2428
01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:48,630
Is this spam?

2429
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:54,730
Let's say day for free daily rewards and

2430
01:27:54,730 --> 01:27:56,090
njarts.net.

2431
01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:59,310
The highlight will be an evening with Ryan

2432
01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:00,350
Reynolds and friends.

2433
01:28:00,430 --> 01:28:01,350
Oh, this is spam.

2434
01:28:02,590 --> 01:28:04,550
There's so much crap.

2435
01:28:04,970 --> 01:28:06,070
There really is.

2436
01:28:06,210 --> 01:28:08,390
It's just so much garbage.

2437
01:28:08,530 --> 01:28:08,870
Yeah.

2438
01:28:09,130 --> 01:28:12,130
Oh, well the internet was nice.

2439
01:28:12,130 --> 01:28:14,070
What lasted my friend?

2440
01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:14,370
Yeah.

2441
01:28:14,810 --> 01:28:15,990
No, it's, it's just over.

2442
01:28:16,110 --> 01:28:16,670
It's all over.

2443
01:28:16,730 --> 01:28:17,730
Hey, let's thank some people.

2444
01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:19,910
Cause uh, you're, uh, you, you got a

2445
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:21,190
time limit coming up, my brother.

2446
01:28:21,650 --> 01:28:22,230
Oh yeah.

2447
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:22,590
Yeah.

2448
01:28:22,750 --> 01:28:23,490
Um, okay.

2449
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:25,430
Yeah.

2450
01:28:25,570 --> 01:28:26,650
Did you say we got one?

2451
01:28:27,310 --> 01:28:28,650
Uh, well I got a couple of live

2452
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:29,230
boosts here.

2453
01:28:30,230 --> 01:28:32,410
Chad F could you guys switch this show's

2454
01:28:32,410 --> 01:28:33,570
feed over to Ellen address?

2455
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:36,690
So only so we have something to build

2456
01:28:36,690 --> 01:28:38,510
with app devs need a feed to build

2457
01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:38,750
to.

2458
01:28:38,810 --> 01:28:40,270
And that's what this show has always been

2459
01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:40,470
for.

2460
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:43,810
Well, we have, I think three Ellen address,

2461
01:28:43,870 --> 01:28:45,550
uh, splits in the feed already.

2462
01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:49,710
And I'm happy to sit here and look

2463
01:28:49,710 --> 01:28:50,490
and let you know.

2464
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:55,170
So if, if key send is just toast,

2465
01:28:55,410 --> 01:28:57,230
I'm happy to switch it over.

2466
01:28:57,490 --> 01:28:58,010
And it doesn't matter.

2467
01:28:58,010 --> 01:28:58,850
I guess we just need to pull all

2468
01:28:58,850 --> 01:29:00,550
those keys and addresses out, right?

2469
01:29:00,630 --> 01:29:00,890
Yeah.

2470
01:29:00,990 --> 01:29:02,590
If, if you want to test, I'm okay

2471
01:29:02,590 --> 01:29:03,050
with that.

2472
01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:06,150
Uh, 22, 22 from sir.

2473
01:29:06,190 --> 01:29:06,910
TJ the raffle.

2474
01:29:06,990 --> 01:29:08,230
Hey, TJ row ducks.

2475
01:29:08,230 --> 01:29:09,770
I know things seem in limbo, but I'm

2476
01:29:09,770 --> 01:29:11,230
still hanging in there with V for V

2477
01:29:11,230 --> 01:29:11,550
music.

2478
01:29:11,650 --> 01:29:12,810
Thanks to what y'all started.

2479
01:29:12,930 --> 01:29:14,390
The main message is V for V in

2480
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:16,110
any way, shape, or form that works for

2481
01:29:16,110 --> 01:29:16,570
the listener.

2482
01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:19,470
PayPal boosts, just sharing music, anything they can

2483
01:29:19,470 --> 01:29:19,910
think of.

2484
01:29:20,030 --> 01:29:22,190
Talk about V for V Chad vibe coded

2485
01:29:22,190 --> 01:29:24,070
a whole music player for us and door

2486
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:25,270
full verse.com.

2487
01:29:26,630 --> 01:29:27,010
That's nice.

2488
01:29:27,150 --> 01:29:27,310
Yeah.

2489
01:29:27,330 --> 01:29:28,350
I got to take a look at that.

2490
01:29:28,910 --> 01:29:30,390
Chat slinging, chanceling is some good.

2491
01:29:30,590 --> 01:29:31,090
He is man.

2492
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:32,350
He's vibe coding up a storm.

2493
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:36,110
Salty crayon three 33 ping pong.

2494
01:29:36,210 --> 01:29:37,650
This on is this thing on?

2495
01:29:37,650 --> 01:29:38,090
Yes.

2496
01:29:38,190 --> 01:29:41,190
It's on as Dreb Scott coming in from

2497
01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:43,590
a cast thematic two, three, four, five nerd

2498
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:43,970
boost.

2499
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:44,490
Gotcha.

2500
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:47,710
See Brooklyn 5,000 sats.

2501
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:48,230
Here's a boost.

2502
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:48,910
Thank you.

2503
01:29:49,470 --> 01:29:51,430
Three 24 for a sats from Chad.

2504
01:29:51,550 --> 01:29:53,850
If that booster gram was pro removing key

2505
01:29:53,850 --> 01:29:55,210
send, by the way, it needs to happen.

2506
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:56,290
So Chad's all for it.

2507
01:29:57,130 --> 01:30:01,170
33 33 from Hey, citizen, deprecated boost coming

2508
01:30:01,170 --> 01:30:02,270
in from pod verse.

2509
01:30:03,630 --> 01:30:04,710
Martin Linda's code.

2510
01:30:04,810 --> 01:30:06,550
Could you handle a round table discussion with

2511
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:08,710
different market players in a future episode?

2512
01:30:08,930 --> 01:30:10,330
I am in it for the long run.

2513
01:30:10,410 --> 01:30:11,850
I like how easy it is to top

2514
01:30:11,850 --> 01:30:13,290
up the wallet on true fans.

2515
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:15,510
Do you see the transactions in the back

2516
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:15,690
end?

2517
01:30:15,730 --> 01:30:17,630
Even if I see a network error message

2518
01:30:17,630 --> 01:30:19,790
due to plenty of splits for your podcast

2519
01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:22,350
lost in cyberspace or a safe ride with

2520
01:30:22,350 --> 01:30:22,950
a starship?

2521
01:30:24,450 --> 01:30:26,430
What exactly is he asking here?

2522
01:30:26,970 --> 01:30:27,990
I don't know.

2523
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:29,950
I mean, I see the booster gram come

2524
01:30:29,950 --> 01:30:32,510
in and I just presume that that the

2525
01:30:32,510 --> 01:30:33,470
sats came in.

2526
01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:35,730
I haven't really looked at it.

2527
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:38,750
Um, let's see.

2528
01:30:38,890 --> 01:30:41,430
Dreb Scott, one, two, three, four, uh, pre

2529
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:41,930
boosting.

2530
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:45,950
And there's, let's see, we got a hundred,

2531
01:30:46,230 --> 01:30:48,970
a couple of hundreds here from Martin Linda's

2532
01:30:48,970 --> 01:30:51,790
Coke, who just likes to send a lot

2533
01:30:51,790 --> 01:30:52,590
of booster grams.

2534
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:58,670
Upbeats three 33, take some true fan sats

2535
01:30:58,670 --> 01:31:00,150
running with high def scissors.

2536
01:31:01,190 --> 01:31:04,590
And you sent that twice, actually, uh, triple

2537
01:31:04,590 --> 01:31:07,010
seven from Sam go podcasting video label.

2538
01:31:07,230 --> 01:31:07,670
Now live.

2539
01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:08,430
It was in cash.

2540
01:31:08,450 --> 01:31:09,310
Yes, we saw that.

2541
01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:11,010
Oh, that's not yet low cash.

2542
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:12,870
Another one, two, three, four from Dreb Scott

2543
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:14,650
running with scissors live on video.

2544
01:31:15,930 --> 01:31:18,610
And Mike Newman, triple seven pre-show boost

2545
01:31:18,610 --> 01:31:21,530
Dreb Scott with 10,000 sats go podcasting.

2546
01:31:21,570 --> 01:31:22,690
He says from cast thematic.

2547
01:31:22,710 --> 01:31:23,590
Thank you very much.

2548
01:31:24,490 --> 01:31:25,850
And there's the delimiter.

2549
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:28,770
We hit the delimiter on the delimiter.

2550
01:31:28,770 --> 01:31:29,710
We hit it.

2551
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:33,750
I'm laughing at that at the picture of

2552
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:35,550
my truck that Dreb Scott.

2553
01:31:37,870 --> 01:31:38,670
It's funny.

2554
01:31:39,810 --> 01:31:41,350
Um, let's see.

2555
01:31:41,610 --> 01:31:43,110
Uh, we got some booster grams.

2556
01:31:43,230 --> 01:31:47,730
We got, uh, the, we, there was, let

2557
01:31:47,730 --> 01:31:47,990
me see.

2558
01:31:48,050 --> 01:31:49,210
I'm sorting through all this.

2559
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:49,530
Okay.

2560
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:49,790
Yeah.

2561
01:31:49,790 --> 01:31:50,490
We got some PayPal.

2562
01:31:50,770 --> 01:31:52,550
These, these are not, there's no one-offs

2563
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:53,010
this week.

2564
01:31:53,010 --> 01:31:54,470
We just got some, uh, we got some

2565
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:54,890
monthlies.

2566
01:31:54,890 --> 01:31:55,430
Okay.

2567
01:31:56,150 --> 01:31:58,630
Uh, Lauren ball, $24 20 cents.

2568
01:31:58,710 --> 01:31:59,110
Thank you.

2569
01:31:59,130 --> 01:32:00,150
I appreciate it.

2570
01:32:00,350 --> 01:32:00,950
Appreciate it.

2571
01:32:00,970 --> 01:32:03,550
A podverse Mitch and Creon over there.

2572
01:32:04,010 --> 01:32:07,290
Mitch is just, I mean, he's just like

2573
01:32:07,290 --> 01:32:13,130
locked in a room, creating next generation podverse.

2574
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:14,590
I mean that I can't wait.

2575
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:15,270
I can't wait.

2576
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:16,610
I know I can't wait.

2577
01:32:17,570 --> 01:32:20,370
Basil Philip $25.

2578
01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:20,910
Thank you.

2579
01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:21,090
Basil.

2580
01:32:21,230 --> 01:32:22,550
Appreciate you always.

2581
01:32:22,650 --> 01:32:25,550
Uh, Mitch Downey, the aforementioned $10.

2582
01:32:25,950 --> 01:32:28,750
Christopher Harbaric $10.

2583
01:32:29,150 --> 01:32:29,450
Thank you.

2584
01:32:29,450 --> 01:32:30,610
Christopher Terry Keller.

2585
01:32:30,930 --> 01:32:33,230
Another long-term or five bucks.

2586
01:32:33,250 --> 01:32:36,030
Chris Cowan, another long-term or five bucks.

2587
01:32:36,450 --> 01:32:38,830
Silicone florist $10.

2588
01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:45,550
And we got one booster gram from CSB.

2589
01:32:46,030 --> 01:32:47,670
He's hanging in there.

2590
01:32:47,890 --> 01:32:49,370
He delimited himself.

2591
01:32:51,250 --> 01:32:53,210
He's the beginning and the end and the

2592
01:32:53,210 --> 01:32:54,590
end, the alpha and the Omega.

2593
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:55,610
Yeah.

2594
01:32:55,990 --> 01:33:00,230
See, uh, comic strip blogger, 13,035 stats

2595
01:33:00,230 --> 01:33:00,850
through fountain.

2596
01:33:00,970 --> 01:33:03,090
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

2597
01:33:03,310 --> 01:33:05,510
Today, I'd like to recommend a podcast with

2598
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:08,690
ampersand in the name where actually he says

2599
01:33:08,690 --> 01:33:12,810
ampersand in name podcasting Q and a by

2600
01:33:12,810 --> 01:33:16,650
bus sprout quote on podcasting Q and a

2601
01:33:16,650 --> 01:33:19,710
you'll hear the best tips and strategies to

2602
01:33:19,710 --> 01:33:22,390
grow your podcast, whether it's getting more listeners,

2603
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:25,610
promoting your podcast on social media, or how

2604
01:33:25,610 --> 01:33:28,470
to produce high quality episodes in your editing

2605
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:29,030
software.

2606
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:31,970
Podcasting Q and a has everything you need.

2607
01:33:32,210 --> 01:33:33,030
End quote.

2608
01:33:33,470 --> 01:33:36,090
Thanks to Martin Lindeskog for finding it.

2609
01:33:36,370 --> 01:33:41,090
Yo CSB, the maker of www.trading.toys.

2610
01:33:41,730 --> 01:33:41,950
Yes.

2611
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:44,510
Which is a fine website to go look

2612
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:47,010
at some, some graphs and charts up into

2613
01:33:47,010 --> 01:33:49,790
the right to the moon.

2614
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:51,150
It's a beautiful system.

2615
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:52,910
That's it.

2616
01:33:52,990 --> 01:33:54,470
Well, that was a very short donation.

2617
01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:56,390
It was, well, I figured it was going

2618
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:57,770
to be short, but there you go.

2619
01:33:58,510 --> 01:33:59,550
Very short.

2620
01:33:59,990 --> 01:34:02,110
Uh, everything, uh, y'all send to us

2621
01:34:02,110 --> 01:34:04,670
and booster grams or fiat fund coupons through

2622
01:34:04,670 --> 01:34:06,670
PayPal, which you can find the bottom of

2623
01:34:06,670 --> 01:34:09,530
the podcast index.org page, the big red

2624
01:34:09,530 --> 01:34:12,310
donate button all go into the index fund

2625
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:13,550
and keep it running.

2626
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:16,230
So, um, keep it running, please.

2627
01:34:17,150 --> 01:34:21,510
So Spencer asked about amp amp is amp

2628
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:26,670
is not, uh, is not a replacement for

2629
01:34:26,670 --> 01:34:29,910
key sand amp is atomic multipath.

2630
01:34:30,150 --> 01:34:33,610
It is a way to split a large

2631
01:34:33,610 --> 01:34:36,710
payment amongst different payment channels and have it

2632
01:34:36,710 --> 01:34:39,230
be reassembled on the other end.

2633
01:34:39,230 --> 01:34:43,670
So if you had seven channels with a

2634
01:34:43,670 --> 01:34:47,470
total aggregate of a million sats of liquidity,

2635
01:34:48,230 --> 01:34:52,990
but each individual channel only could max out,

2636
01:34:53,010 --> 01:34:57,970
you know, around, uh, 15, you know, 150

2637
01:34:57,970 --> 01:35:02,890
,000, then you may have to split the

2638
01:35:02,890 --> 01:35:04,870
payment to less, you know, if you're going

2639
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:05,970
to, if you're going to do like a

2640
01:35:05,970 --> 01:35:08,430
700,000 sat payment, you'd have to split

2641
01:35:08,430 --> 01:35:09,510
it into smaller pieces.

2642
01:35:10,510 --> 01:35:12,730
The each would get routed through their respective

2643
01:35:12,730 --> 01:35:14,850
channels that had enough liquidity and then it

2644
01:35:14,850 --> 01:35:16,490
would get reassembled on the other end.

2645
01:35:17,470 --> 01:35:22,050
And amp was kind of, um, yeah, amp

2646
01:35:22,050 --> 01:35:26,890
was sort of misunderstood as a, a key

2647
01:35:26,890 --> 01:35:29,230
send alternative, but it's not really, no.

2648
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:32,210
And a lot, and it's very unsupported.

2649
01:35:32,750 --> 01:35:37,110
Um, every, every node in the chain from

2650
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:40,250
along the route has to support amp and

2651
01:35:40,250 --> 01:35:42,790
there's very, there's not very much support for

2652
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:43,250
it.

2653
01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:45,590
Bolt 12, bolt 12.

2654
01:35:45,790 --> 01:35:46,890
I'm telling you bolt 12.

2655
01:35:48,250 --> 01:35:49,370
All right.

2656
01:35:49,370 --> 01:35:50,850
Brother Dave, how's work going?

2657
01:35:50,970 --> 01:35:51,470
Is it okay?

2658
01:35:51,570 --> 01:35:53,770
Uh, over at the shop, everything hanging in.

2659
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:55,030
Yeah, it's fine.

2660
01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:56,210
All good.

2661
01:35:56,410 --> 01:35:57,150
Everything at home.

2662
01:35:57,810 --> 01:35:58,330
Yep.

2663
01:35:58,590 --> 01:36:00,710
Otherwise I'll come in, you know, cook for

2664
01:36:00,710 --> 01:36:01,090
you guys.

2665
01:36:01,090 --> 01:36:03,590
If you need anything, happy to do it.

2666
01:36:04,030 --> 01:36:04,510
Thanks.

2667
01:36:04,810 --> 01:36:04,910
Yeah.

2668
01:36:04,930 --> 01:36:05,530
Uh, yeah.

2669
01:36:05,530 --> 01:36:06,550
Scallops and potatoes.

2670
01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:06,870
Yeah.

2671
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:08,270
No problem at all.

2672
01:36:08,910 --> 01:36:10,990
Hey, thank you very much boardroom for being

2673
01:36:10,990 --> 01:36:11,290
here.

2674
01:36:11,530 --> 01:36:12,230
We love you.

2675
01:36:12,330 --> 01:36:13,230
We certainly do.

2676
01:36:13,290 --> 01:36:15,070
We'll see you next week right here on

2677
01:36:15,070 --> 01:36:34,110
podcasting 2.0. You

2678
01:36:34,110 --> 01:36:37,690
have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit

2679
01:36:37,690 --> 01:36:41,070
podcast index.org for more information.

2680
01:36:43,190 --> 01:36:44,730
Clearly not the pod.

2681
01:36:44,770 --> 01:36:45,590
Father's mistake.