Episode 241: RSS NutJobs

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Podcasting 2.0 for November 7th, 2025, episode

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241, RSS Nutjobs.

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Hello, warriors.

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Always wanted to say that.

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Hey, podcast nerds, it's time for the board

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meeting of Podcasting 2.0. That's right.

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This is where everything that's happening in podcasting

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gets discussed, and then some, even some philosophy

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from time to time.

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We are, in fact, the only boardroom that

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moves mountains without lifting a finger.

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I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the

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man who is now well-known everywhere.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, Mr. Dan Jones.

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I'm dot well-known.

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That would have been better, the man who

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is dot well-known.

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Oh, crap.

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I almost want to do it over, but

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I won't.

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Dot well-known.

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I always try to catch you off guard,

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and you're too fast for me.

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You never get tripped up by a sudden

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rip.

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You know, so yesterday, I tried something.

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Let me see if I can play it

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for you.

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Hold on a sec.

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We did, you know, we do no agenda,

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and it always starts with Dvorak saying, hit

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it.

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And let me see if I have it

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here.

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Yeah, so we said, hit it.

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And I did this.

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Adam Curry, John C.

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Dvorak.

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Next Thursday, November 6, 2025, this is your

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award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1814.

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Whoa, what?

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This is no agenda.

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Who's that?

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Slinging slop and broadcasting live from the heart

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of the Texas Hill Country in FEMA Region

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Number Six.

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In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

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Who is that?

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That is the Eleven Labs version of Adam

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Curry.

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That's horrible.

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It's so odd, because you can prompt it

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like three times with the same text, and

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it comes up with different versions.

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That's the problem.

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It comes up with different versions every single

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time.

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There's no consistency.

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Yeah, it's like the temperature or whatever.

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Yeah, well, and they have their new version

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three model.

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You can add tags in parentheses, so you

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can say excited or intense.

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Oh, or a surfer.

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No, I haven't tried surfer.

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But I think there was, at one point,

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I had like one sentence, and I'm like,

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that sounds exactly like me.

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And what's interesting is I sampled it from

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the No Agenda show.

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So it has all my compression, and it

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has all of that built into it, which

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is really interesting.

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Somewhere there must have been a little bit

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of a sound or a music bed or

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something, because that pops up from time to

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time as part of my voice.

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Like a Manhattan project, where you've got a

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head sticking out of the ship or something.

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It's hallucinating while it's doing the generation, which

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is just a problem, because there's no consistency.

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You can't really use it for anything.

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It's annoying to me with 11 laps, because

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you find something that's almost just right, and

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then if you regenerate it again, you get

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something completely different.

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Completely different.

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You're like, man, that was so close.

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If I could take the first part of

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that and just tweak this one thing, but

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you'll never get it back.

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It's a goner.

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That's the other problem.

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You can't get it back.

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You can't like...

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Yeah, let me see.

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So if I do fast and excited...

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Let me see.

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Hold on.

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Okay.

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So I did fastest and excited as some

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of the prompts here.

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Let's see if this works.

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Okay.

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Here we go.

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Short one sentence.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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Gross.

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That's horrible.

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Let's try the other version.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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Hyperventilating.

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Is that one of the tags you use?

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No, just let's try excited again.

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Let's try a different version.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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Hey, Dave.

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You put boner as one of the tags,

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didn't you?

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Let me do...

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What shall I do?

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Give me another...

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What should we say?

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We'll do...

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Catastrophizing.

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Intense.

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Let's see what happens if I do intense.

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All right.

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Prepubescent ad.

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Let's try this one.

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Let's see what pops up.

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Hold on.

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Here we go.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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Gross.

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But do you hear my room?

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Do you hear the echo of my room?

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It's all in there.

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That's the part that I find interesting.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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No.

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No.

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That's so terrible.

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Let me try sexy.

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Let me try that and then we'll quit.

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Just want to try that last one.

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Here we go.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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Oh, man.

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Are you turned on now or what?

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Hi, Dave.

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Wait for this one.

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Wait for this one.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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That's a keeper.

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That's a keeper.

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I'm saving that one.

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Hey, Dave.

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I love the subtle addition of vocal fry.

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That's so gross.

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I'm crying.

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I'm literally crying.

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Hold on.

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I'm going to save that one.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast?

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I'm crying.

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That is flaming too.

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This feels just like getting hit on.

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But that's my point.

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That probably costs 11 labs $80 or something.

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I don't know.

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Right.

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You just heated up a GPU for 20

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What is the future of this going to

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be?

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What is it going to be?

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I mean, if I could at least get

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it to consistently reproduce that gay, sexy voice,

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that would be cool.

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But there's no I don't think there's any

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way to say, yeah, this one, these settings,

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because I haven't found it because say, this

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is it.

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This is this is exactly what I want.

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Which is which is weird, because it's like

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the the.

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At its core, an LLM is completely discreet,

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it's it's what do you call it?

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Deterministic, like if you have the temperature at

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zero and you don't introduce any randomness, it

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should literally give you the same output every

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time.

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But nobody does it that way because it

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drops the illusion.

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Right.

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And that's what they and the whole thing

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is built on illusion is smoke and mirrors.

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And if you don't have the the the

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the randomness, then you don't get you don't

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start to feel the magic that this thing

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is actually a person.

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Quote, unquote, magic.

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Well, here I gave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple podcast?

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OK, so so that's now now because there's

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one slider, creative or robust.

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And it says if you put it all

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the way on robust, it should be precise,

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stable and predictable.

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Hi, Dave.

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How cool is the chapters in Apple podcast?

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OK, so does it actually give you the

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same thing every time now?

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Well, let's try something else.

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Hi, Dave.

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OK.

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Future.

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People, I can't spell.

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I mean, you're going to be able to

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do before if you keep getting better at

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this, you're going to be able to produce

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like a couple of thousand episodes a week

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of this and just get in on that.

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I don't think on that money train, on

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that dynamic ad insertion money train.

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Oh, yeah.

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OK, here we go.

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See if it comes out predictable.

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OK, new one.

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We've got something new.

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Here we go.

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Hi, Dave.

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In the future, people will thank Adam Carolla

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for podcasting 2.0. Yes, they will.

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I should say 2.0. OK, now let's

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try that again.

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See if it's consistent.

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Hi, Dave.

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No, it's not in the future.

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Adam Carolla for podcasting 2.0. And it

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gives me two versions again.

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Hi, Dave.

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In the future, people will thank Adam Carolla

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for podcasting 2.0. What is that?

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This sounds like a multiple personality disorder.

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That was two different people in the same

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voice file.

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I love the opening.

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Hi, Dave.

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And then it goes into something totally different.

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And that's and that's the problem.

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That's that is if you could reproduce my

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voice the way I think it's it sounds

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good enough predictably, that would be fine.

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Well, that one started with like a like

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a horny gay guy and ended up with

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Sam Elliott.

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It was completely different from start to finish.

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Let me hear that one again.

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Hi, Dave.

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In the future, people will thank Adam Carolla

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for podcasting 2.0. See, that last part

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is pretty good.

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Yeah, but you have to suffer through the

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beginning to get to the end.

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I don't know what to make of it.

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Hey, anyway, isn't that nice?

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We knew we kind of knew it was

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going to happen, but it's nice that it

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happened.

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It's just all I care about really is

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seeing podcast colon chapters.

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Yes, it's a it's a beautiful implementation.

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Just I mean, it's just as elegant and

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nice as transcripts.

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Yeah, I really think I mean, they did

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a good job and and I've got questions,

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you know, about the implementation and how it's

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going to roll.

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Well, isn't that how it's like how it's

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actually going to deliver?

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Isn't it the same as transcripts that you

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have to go in and explicitly tell them

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you want to use your chapters?

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Yeah.

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Which which how do I so I have

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a couple of shows on RSS.com and

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it just says submit everywhere and you click

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on the boxes you want it to submit

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to.

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And I have no Apple Podcast Connect for

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my RSS for we get to do this,

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for example, my podcast.

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I don't I don't have a Apple Podcast

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Connect login.

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I even I don't even think I can.

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I know what my credentials are for for

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my original Apple Podcast Connect.

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So how do I do that?

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How do I go in the last time

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you when's last time you logged in to

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Apple Podcast Connect?

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Maybe let me see 20.

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It was trying to figure out what year

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it was.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Show 1000.

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I think around show 1000 of no agenda

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because I switched away from Mac when they

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started screwing up USB.

329
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They had this whole period where USB was

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pretty broken.

331
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Yeah.

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And so that has to be.

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2010, 2011.

334
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Who spends more time tweaking your Apple podcast

335
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account, you or Ted?

336
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Well, well, case in point, podcasting 2.0.

337
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I never added it to Apple.

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We don't even know who did that.

339
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I don't know.

340
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Whoever whoever did that, could you please turn

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on chapters and transcripts?

342
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And so my next question is the way

343
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our cloud chapters work.

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The ones that I do is I put

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in one chapter to start with just one

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chapter marker and then Dreb Scott like that.

347
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And then Dreb Scott goes in when he's

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listening to the show and then he adds

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the chapters.

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And so it really can take anywhere from

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10 minutes to five days, you know, whenever

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whenever he gets to it.

353
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Does that refresh on Apple podcast?

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Does it update?

355
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Do they even accept it if it's only

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one chapter?

357
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These are the things that I don't know,

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but it's kind of critical because I think

359
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there's also people.

360
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Well, no, I know there's people who are

361
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crowd crowdsourcing their chapters and they add over

362
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time as kind of like the old.

363
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What was that music service that I guess

364
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is still around?

365
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What's the.

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My SoundCloud SoundCloud, yeah, SoundCloud, you know, you

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could comment and it would, you know, put

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a little marker, basically a chapter marker in

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the timeline of your SoundCloud SoundCloud player.

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So I know there's some implementations of that.

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I think no agendashow.net might have a

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version of that or had it at one

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point.

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SoundCloud comments is what it is.

375
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Yeah.

376
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So does that carry through?

377
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Does that update?

378
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Do they cash it?

379
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I mean, these are the questions I have.

380
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That's a good question.

381
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You're welcome.

382
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Thank you for delivering.

383
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Yes, I like I like asking good questions,

384
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sound good questions, but I really don't know

385
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what the but ultimately doesn't matter.

386
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That's their implementation.

387
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I'm just tickled that there's been so much

388
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negativity around this ragtag group of this orchestra

389
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of monkeys that has been working on this

390
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for five years now.

391
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We're in our sixth year and, you know,

392
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the Apple hasn't implemented any of it.

393
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In fact, I was I was I had

394
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to repent for this, but I will play

395
00:14:29,380 --> 00:14:29,840
it anyway.

396
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In the super secret, super secret WhatsApp group.

397
00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:38,400
Oh, yes.

398
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This this thing that I always hear about.

399
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Yeah.

400
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Yeah.

401
00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:44,740
So, you know, the feed the podcast, the

402
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feed closed.

403
00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:47,140
Oh, did it?

404
00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:47,560
Yeah.

405
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I think Elsie left Lipson and I'm not

406
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I'm not sure what happened.

407
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It doesn't really matter.

408
00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,040
I mean, but they were they had a

409
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couple of very negative episodes about if you

410
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recall, we discussed it here in the board

411
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meeting.

412
00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,640
Oh, you had a person you had a

413
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chat with.

414
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Oh, yeah.

415
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Oh, yeah.

416
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I had a chat with him.

417
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Yeah.

418
00:15:06,580 --> 00:15:07,640
I remember he was he was.

419
00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:07,820
Yeah.

420
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I'm hiring a dedicated podcasting 2.0 person

421
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who I have not seen yet on the

422
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,820
mastodon, but I'm sure it's coming any day

423
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now.

424
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Any day now.

425
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So I posted one day after Apple announces

426
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its second major tag adoption from our ragtag

427
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group.

428
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The feed folds a quick flashback clip.

429
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And yes, and yes, I know that Rob

430
00:15:29,980 --> 00:15:33,540
poopooed podcasting 2.0 because Apple doesn't support

431
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it.

432
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Oh, I had to repent.

433
00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:40,420
That was unnecessary.

434
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The.

435
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And James on Power Power said this is

436
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not a success story for.

437
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I heard that.

438
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He's like, what are you talking about?

439
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This is not a win.

440
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But in the same show, he basically said

441
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that he wrote it all up and then

442
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Apple made his implementation.

443
00:16:01,540 --> 00:16:02,920
So congratulations, James.

444
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Good job.

445
00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:04,460
Good job, James.

446
00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,340
Somewhere in all this pod love, I think,

447
00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:08,020
is forgotten.

448
00:16:08,420 --> 00:16:10,920
You know, this is this is iterations upon

449
00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:11,480
iterations.

450
00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,100
It's not like it's one person or one

451
00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,420
thing, you know, pod pod love is the

452
00:16:17,420 --> 00:16:19,760
redheaded stepchild of chapters.

453
00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:20,180
Yeah.

454
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,540
I feel sorry for those guys because they

455
00:16:22,540 --> 00:16:24,980
were so they were so early with a,

456
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you know, with a with with a format

457
00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,600
that was able to be more easily dynamically

458
00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,740
updated and people just always ignored them.

459
00:16:33,820 --> 00:16:34,400
It's not fair.

460
00:16:35,420 --> 00:16:36,060
But no, it's not.

461
00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:36,660
It's not.

462
00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,840
You know, but I don't really care about,

463
00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:41,760
quote unquote, a win or anything like that.

464
00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:42,740
I mean, it's like, who cares?

465
00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,660
But the thing that the thing that I

466
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that that I like the fact that it's

467
00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:54,780
just it's just like the transcript you get,

468
00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:56,560
it's the right way to do it.

469
00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:57,860
It's the right way to do it.

470
00:16:57,940 --> 00:17:01,760
I don't want I care nothing about people

471
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:08,099
just like following our spec and saying, well,

472
00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:13,220
it's only valid if you only implement the

473
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spec and don't do it in any other

474
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way.

475
00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,619
That's that's like I don't understand anybody who

476
00:17:20,619 --> 00:17:21,480
would feel that way.

477
00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,339
What what they've done is the thing that

478
00:17:24,339 --> 00:17:26,240
makes a lot of sense for their customers,

479
00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:27,860
of course, and for their listeners.

480
00:17:28,060 --> 00:17:30,800
And I wish every Molly, I just wish

481
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that every app had the ability to do

482
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this.

483
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But it's expensive.

484
00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:37,580
Oh, you know, exactly.

485
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,880
And it reminded me of early on.

486
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We were talking about cross app comments and

487
00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:46,900
Martin.

488
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,600
Remember Martin from Pod Friend, one of the

489
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one of our early warriors who got taken

490
00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:54,700
out, you know, had taken out by the

491
00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,340
Swedes who attacked Denmark and took him out.

492
00:17:57,420 --> 00:17:58,620
I'm not sure what happened exactly.

493
00:17:58,840 --> 00:17:58,940
Yeah.

494
00:17:58,940 --> 00:17:59,320
Yeah.

495
00:17:59,820 --> 00:18:01,180
Era right through the chest.

496
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:01,520
Yeah.

497
00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:03,160
Poor guy.

498
00:18:03,580 --> 00:18:05,500
But, you know, he had he had that

499
00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:06,020
idea.

500
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,520
You know, he said, hey, if we're going

501
00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,240
to do cross app comments, I want to

502
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,600
make sure that that it's that everybody can

503
00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,500
comment on every podcast that they can get

504
00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:15,960
in pod friend when he had the right

505
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:16,520
mindset.

506
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,820
But there was no there was really no

507
00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:23,140
way to facilitate that other than him just

508
00:18:23,140 --> 00:18:24,600
running his own comment server.

509
00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:26,740
And that's that's obviously going to be pretty

510
00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:27,440
overbearing.

511
00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,880
And that doesn't seem to be any any

512
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,200
real motivation for it at all.

513
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,080
I think the cross part was more exciting

514
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than the comment part.

515
00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:40,160
And we have so many cross platform kind

516
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of things happening.

517
00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,980
My my read on my read on what

518
00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:46,540
Apple is doing, and I want to make

519
00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:50,420
some commentary about just Apple podcast and what

520
00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:50,960
the team is.

521
00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,820
OK, let me announce you that.

522
00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:53,860
Hi, Dave.

523
00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:54,700
OK, go ahead.

524
00:18:54,820 --> 00:18:56,920
Can you never again?

525
00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,560
I'm banning that from the show.

526
00:18:58,700 --> 00:18:59,420
I can't help it.

527
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,940
It's not in my system.

528
00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:03,660
It's in my system.

529
00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:05,440
I want to I want to see what

530
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,080
Apple podcast auto generates for chapters for this

531
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,360
based on all of that.

532
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:11,820
Hi, Dave.

533
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:12,700
Hi, Dave.

534
00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:15,180
It's going to have like a third host

535
00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:15,780
in here.

536
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,680
And I'm kind of, you know, third voice

537
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,480
speaker, speaker three, speaker three.

538
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:21,820
Yes.

539
00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:27,820
But in general, I think that James may

540
00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:28,760
have missed the point.

541
00:19:29,580 --> 00:19:31,360
I feel like he may have missed the

542
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,420
point in the same way that he missed

543
00:19:32,420 --> 00:19:35,200
the point about the podcast TXT record, you

544
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,100
know, in the last couple of years, Apple's

545
00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:47,000
podcast team has added more podcasting namespace, more

546
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,920
podcast namespace tags than they have iTunes namespace

547
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:51,220
tags.

548
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,100
And let me just stop you there for

549
00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:54,540
a second, because Daniel J.

550
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,200
Lewis is saying something in the troops are

551
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,100
in the boardroom.

552
00:19:58,340 --> 00:20:01,040
He's saying, well, you know, they already had

553
00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:05,100
chapters that this is this is not the

554
00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:05,440
point.

555
00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:07,740
The point is the namespace recognition.

556
00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:10,080
That's what matters to me once.

557
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,240
I mean, we are in the door now.

558
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,340
The namespace is in Apple's ecosystem.

559
00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:17,920
That is much bigger than how it surfaces

560
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,600
on the top.

561
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,880
In my mind, you're in your thoughts.

562
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,360
I do your thoughts.

563
00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:27,720
This is this is this is my this

564
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,620
is my point to this is my point.

565
00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:29,960
Exactly.

566
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,140
You you echo you echoed my thought process,

567
00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:38,560
which is it's what the bigger takeaway from

568
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,240
this is not a particular feature, any one

569
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,140
particular feature.

570
00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:44,260
It's that.

571
00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,020
And I made this point when when podcast

572
00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:50,660
when Apple podcast adopted podcast TXT record for

573
00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:51,940
verification purposes.

574
00:20:52,690 --> 00:20:55,760
The to me, the bigger thing this says

575
00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,920
is that Apple is now looking to adopt

576
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,460
a community, a an open source community focused

577
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:11,040
approach to their feet, to their features.

578
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,280
They they're saying for for all these features

579
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,500
we're doing in the past, we would just

580
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,800
do something proprietary and we would just do

581
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,640
it and we would just shove it out

582
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,340
there and say, here's what we're doing.

583
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,160
Everybody has to adopt this.

584
00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:24,680
Yeah.

585
00:21:24,860 --> 00:21:25,220
Yes.

586
00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:26,620
They're not doing that anymore.

587
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,060
Right.

588
00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:29,060
What they're doing now is they're saying, OK,

589
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:30,540
here's a feature we want to implement.

590
00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:36,280
Is there already a community based, an open

591
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,720
source prior art, if you will?

592
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:41,420
Maybe not the right use of the term,

593
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,960
but is there already an existing open source

594
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,820
namespace standard that we can that we can

595
00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:50,760
join into this thing that we're already doing,

596
00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:52,400
that we're one that we want to do

597
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,940
so that we're both so that we get

598
00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:56,560
to do the feature the way we want

599
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,260
it to be and at the same time,

600
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:02,920
stay compatible with what the community is doing.

601
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:03,300
Yeah.

602
00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:04,060
The open source.

603
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,940
And to me, that is a sea change

604
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,560
in the way it is.

605
00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:10,020
It is.

606
00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:15,040
It's saying, OK, we're we we are going

607
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,760
to listen and we're watching what is happening

608
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,120
in the in the open source RSS world.

609
00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,160
And we're going to make sure that what

610
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,380
we do also plays nice with what you

611
00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:30,160
guys are doing.

612
00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:32,900
You can't overlook that.

613
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,240
That's a huge deal.

614
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:34,760
It is.

615
00:22:35,460 --> 00:22:37,960
It's a huge deal because that that gives

616
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:44,180
us confidence as as open RSS, you know,

617
00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:46,160
just are just RSS.

618
00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:47,380
Don't say open RSS.

619
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,080
I don't.

620
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,740
Yeah, that just gives that gives us as

621
00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:54,060
confidence as RSS.

622
00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:03,360
Tinkerers and tinkerers, RSS tinkerers, vibe coders and,

623
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:08,500
you know, and crazy experimenters to know that

624
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:11,140
what we're doing, we're not just writing a

625
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:12,860
spec in a vacuum and then throwing that

626
00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:15,480
out there and in like pod love 20

627
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,840
years from now, it's still not going to

628
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,120
be, you know, ever be acknowledged.

629
00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:24,100
No, it what it changes my focus to

630
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:26,860
say, OK, let's make sure these specs that

631
00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:28,520
we're working on are super tight.

632
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,720
And I've got some idea, you know, I've

633
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,220
got an idea about that in regards to

634
00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:34,500
the chapter spec that I want to talk

635
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:34,780
about.

636
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:36,380
OK, well, why don't we launch?

637
00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:37,380
Yeah, right.

638
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,980
Eric PP, RSS nut jobs.

639
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:40,780
Yeah, nut jobs.

640
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,440
Show title.

641
00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:44,860
OK, thank you.

642
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,860
But, you know, I think that I think

643
00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:50,960
that's the biggest takeaway.

644
00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:53,760
And it was, you know, I was listening

645
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,640
to Accidental Tech this week and Marco made

646
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,380
a I was I noticed that he had

647
00:23:58,380 --> 00:23:59,560
made a comment about the chapters.

648
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,020
Oh, what did he say?

649
00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:06,300
I mean, nothing specific, but but one thing

650
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:10,360
he said is he said, well, he said

651
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:16,200
he's he said that Spotify's podcasting surge over

652
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,500
the last few years has.

653
00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:27,260
He credits that Spotify getting into podcasting with

654
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:30,780
lighting, you know, lighting a fire under Apple

655
00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:32,120
podcast team.

656
00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:34,000
I think that's probably fair to say.

657
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,620
I completely disagree with that.

658
00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:38,520
I don't think that has anything to do

659
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:38,840
with it.

660
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,920
I really don't think that.

661
00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:43,940
I don't think that the Apple podcast team

662
00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:46,900
cares much about what Spotify is doing.

663
00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:47,760
I mean.

664
00:24:50,260 --> 00:24:53,540
Because it's not that sort of relationship.

665
00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:58,940
The Apple podcast and Spotify are not really

666
00:24:58,940 --> 00:24:59,600
competitors.

667
00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:02,820
Now, Apple Music and Spotify are competitors.

668
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:04,760
You know, that's true.

669
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:08,620
YouTube and Spotify are competitors.

670
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,380
There are they.

671
00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:13,000
Spotify has natural competitors.

672
00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:16,900
But I think Apple podcast is way out

673
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:18,640
on the edge of what you could call

674
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,800
competition from Spotify.

675
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,180
I don't think that I do not credit

676
00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:30,040
Spotify with pushing Apple podcasts to make a

677
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,440
bunch of changes or make or add a

678
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,280
bunch of new features.

679
00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:37,400
I credit a reinvigoration of RSS.

680
00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:40,960
Well, I'd much I'd much rather credit that

681
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,680
for sure.

682
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,120
But I'm not.

683
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,500
The funny thing is when who was the

684
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,860
guy that was running the podcast group before

685
00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:51,900
he left to create that dynamic news service?

686
00:25:53,220 --> 00:25:55,020
Which I don't know if that went anywhere.

687
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,260
Oh, Spooler.

688
00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:57,400
Yeah.

689
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:57,880
Yeah.

690
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,560
Yeah.

691
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,640
The Spooler guy.

692
00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:02,120
I forgot his name.

693
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,900
Spooler CEO.

694
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:05,220
Is it John John?

695
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,860
No, it's a Spooler dot FM Boggs.

696
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,300
They go.

697
00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:10,380
James Boggs.

698
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,960
James Boggs.

699
00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:13,620
Yes, that's it.

700
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:15,780
I had this big chat with him.

701
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:16,940
Yeah.

702
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,440
And you told him subscriptions were stupid.

703
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:19,740
Yeah.

704
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,780
Well, that was their whole focus.

705
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,620
I said, dude, look at everything we're doing.

706
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:27,020
Look at all the join the train.

707
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,540
And I mean, come on, subscriptions is not

708
00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:33,920
making a dent in an Apple's bottom line

709
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,400
at all.

710
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,000
If anything is probably more hassle for them.

711
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,060
You know what I mean?

712
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,120
So it's just the customer service or customer

713
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,140
support, if any.

714
00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:45,880
I just I.

715
00:26:46,340 --> 00:26:48,220
Well, it's always the bear in the in

716
00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:50,080
the in the boardroom is saying Spotify and

717
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,000
Apple podcasts are competitors in Europe.

718
00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:53,920
When people are thinking about finding a new

719
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,680
podcast, they go to Spotify, they go to

720
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:55,960
Spotify.

721
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,040
But see, I've got to clear this up

722
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,480
right now because this is going to be

723
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,020
a misunderstanding of what I'm saying.

724
00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:04,360
That's not what I mean when I say

725
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:05,160
competition.

726
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:09,060
I'm talking about financial competition.

727
00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:12,700
Apple podcast is not a money making endeavor.

728
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:13,420
I am.

729
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:13,720
All right.

730
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:14,240
I'm with you.

731
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:15,600
I'm all in on that then.

732
00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:16,880
Yes, I'm all in.

733
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,440
Apple podcasts could have never added another feature

734
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,640
for 20 years and they would still just

735
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,300
continue to exist inside of the Apple fortress

736
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:30,340
forever because it's not a it's a profit

737
00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:32,900
center for Apple in that regard.

738
00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:35,920
Spotify is not their competitor.

739
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,460
What what Apple podcast is is unique.

740
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:44,840
Really, in the in the whole.

741
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,320
In the whole, you know, the whole world

742
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,100
of of media and mobile devices and that

743
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:53,940
kind of thing, it's a very unique animal.

744
00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:56,940
And and what I'm what I'm saying is

745
00:27:56,940 --> 00:28:03,680
I think Apple podcast team has caught over

746
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,680
the last few years has caught the fire

747
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,600
of just a renewed vigor inside of RSS.

748
00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:15,640
You know, feature development, because I'm not it's

749
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,660
not it's not just us, it's every it's

750
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:21,040
there's there's new stuff happening outside of just

751
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,560
podcasting.

752
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,360
No, but that's hard to believe now.

753
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,660
But but like there is a there really

754
00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:31,260
is a renewed focus over the last five

755
00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:34,280
years in now.

756
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,180
Now you could say, OK, now you could

757
00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:38,700
say is this may be a.

758
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,820
This may be true.

759
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:47,180
That Spotify came in and wanted to make

760
00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:53,260
everything proprietary and suck in and almost go

761
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:55,460
to war with with with RSS.

762
00:28:56,340 --> 00:29:01,080
And that spurred people to want to make

763
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,920
open alternatives in open namespaces and that kind

764
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,220
of thing.

765
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:09,480
And therefore, that may have sparked the fire

766
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,560
that then bled over into teams like Apple

767
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,620
podcast to say, OK, now look at all

768
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:18,200
this stuff going on in the RSS community.

769
00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:20,360
We can take some stuff from that and

770
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,820
we can participate with that may be true,

771
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:24,920
which is in an odd way.

772
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:28,180
It is exactly the way Steve Jobs started

773
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:32,540
the podcast journey because he invited me to

774
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:35,980
come speak with him privately for an hour.

775
00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:39,040
And he and he was interested in community

776
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,600
stuff.

777
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:42,220
He wanted to know how we were recording.

778
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:43,760
Were we using Max?

779
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,160
What were the issues?

780
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,580
How about storage bandwidth?

781
00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:53,520
All he had all of these questions, including

782
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,700
how to make money.

783
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:59,260
And literally the only thing he wanted from

784
00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:01,460
me was for me to say, yeah, that's

785
00:30:01,460 --> 00:30:02,480
cool, Steve.

786
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,840
Put it into iTunes.

787
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:06,300
It was already in there, but he didn't

788
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:07,960
need to have my permission.

789
00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:10,840
And he knew that, but he saw the

790
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,960
community drive.

791
00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:14,560
And I think that was unique, maybe at

792
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,640
that moment in time.

793
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,660
For him or for Apple, certainly, so I

794
00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:21,240
like that.

795
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,460
And if you look at the original iTunes

796
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:29,140
spec, there's, you know, there's all kinds of,

797
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,580
you know, my name's in there.

798
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:31,720
Dave Weiner's in there.

799
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,220
There's some historical pieces in there as they

800
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:36,900
added to their, you know, as they added

801
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:38,300
the iTunes namespace.

802
00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:44,620
So somewhere it's still in there.

803
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:46,640
Hold on a second.

804
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,080
I got, I got to do this.

805
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,180
Hold on.

806
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,500
RSS is okay.

807
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:55,720
Let's try this.

808
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,340
See how this sounds.

809
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,400
You're at full on addicted now.

810
00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:03,380
RSS is in their DNA.

811
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,320
RSS is in their DNA.

812
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:06,940
Yeah.

813
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:07,980
It's not very sexy.

814
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Charlie Rose.

815
00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:09,120
Yeah.

816
00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:11,380
Not very sexy, but yeah.

817
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,940
So it's still in their DNA.

818
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:18,920
And I think we revived these molecules and,

819
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:20,540
and I think it's exciting them.

820
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Honestly, I think it's exciting them because they

821
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,520
need to go, they need to, um, they

822
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800
need to present I'm sure to some Starfleet

823
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,100
command, like, Hey, we're going to spend resources

824
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,500
on this and we're going to do this.

825
00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:34,680
And for them to be able to say,

826
00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:38,240
well, look at, uh, the adoption rate and

827
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,420
there's hundreds of thousands of feeds that are

828
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:41,900
already using this tag.

829
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:42,580
Thank you.

830
00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:44,620
Buzzsprout RSS.com.

831
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,040
Um, who else is a blueberry.

832
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,480
Yeah.

833
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Blueberry.

834
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,540
Um, is, is, uh, is, is pod bean.

835
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:53,920
Are they on board pod bean?

836
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,360
Yeah.

837
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:54,680
Yeah.

838
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Pod bean.

839
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,240
And, uh, who else am I thinking?

840
00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:57,600
Yeah.

841
00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:59,100
So thank you.

842
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,880
I mean, that's, that's really what, what made

843
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,280
it, what makes it all work is when

844
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,620
the hosting companies go, okay, we're going to

845
00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:08,380
add this, that real, that's what makes it

846
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:08,920
all happen.

847
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:11,260
And so they can, they can say to

848
00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:14,700
their, to their, uh, uh, to their next

849
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,100
level of management, look, there's, there's a, there's

850
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,720
a, there's an opportunity here for us that

851
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,460
we can take advantage of and we want

852
00:32:22,460 --> 00:32:23,920
to spend our cycles on this.

853
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,060
And I'm sure that's how it gets approved.

854
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,360
And I love that.

855
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:31,120
I think my, my take on my read

856
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,860
on, on Apple in this regard is that

857
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:40,090
every, you know, the people at Apple, the

858
00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:44,270
employees at Apple, the executives, they listen and

859
00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:44,670
love pod.

860
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:49,010
They listen to and love podcasts and they

861
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:52,270
want, and they also are obviously iPhone users

862
00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:55,610
and they want their product that they use

863
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:58,290
every day to be better, to have a

864
00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:02,350
top notch podcast player built into it.

865
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:04,330
And they know it's not going to make

866
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:05,670
a, they know it's not gonna make money,

867
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:09,950
but it's, it's what they want for their

868
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:11,110
own product to be.

869
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:13,570
It would feel, it would feel like less

870
00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:16,410
of a product if Apple podcasts was not

871
00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:17,250
there in it.

872
00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:20,290
And I think Apple podcasts, that's the role

873
00:33:20,290 --> 00:33:22,630
they play within Apple and within the device

874
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:25,710
is that it makes the, they feel like

875
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:28,950
it makes the device more valuable and more

876
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:29,430
valuable.

877
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:29,790
Yes.

878
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:30,590
Yes.

879
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:33,010
And more valuable and they themselves use it.

880
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:36,150
So that's when I see them developing these

881
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:38,430
features, that's what, that's what it feels like

882
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:38,890
to me.

883
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:41,470
It feels like they're developing it for themselves

884
00:33:41,470 --> 00:33:46,890
first and you can't just, you can't just

885
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:47,630
live in a vacuum.

886
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:48,530
All right.

887
00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:51,970
Listen to me, Apple podcast team, wouldn't you

888
00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:55,230
love to support a podcast by hitting a

889
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:57,550
button that says support this podcast?

890
00:33:58,490 --> 00:34:01,770
It could either, it could either go directly

891
00:34:01,770 --> 00:34:04,390
to the place where the podcast puts it

892
00:34:04,390 --> 00:34:07,230
and the URL and the funding tag, or

893
00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:10,389
think of this, it could integrate with Apple

894
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:10,770
pay.

895
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:13,250
Wouldn't you love to be able to do

896
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:13,810
that?

897
00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:15,350
Wouldn't that feel good?

898
00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:17,409
Develop it now.

899
00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:19,670
It's in your DNA.

900
00:34:20,110 --> 00:34:21,050
It's in your DNA.

901
00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:24,190
Hi Dave.

902
00:34:28,270 --> 00:34:28,710
Yeah.

903
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:29,949
I think you convinced him.

904
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:31,350
I mean, that's a, that was such a

905
00:34:31,350 --> 00:34:31,790
natural pitch.

906
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:33,750
Ted is there and he's like, all right,

907
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:34,250
I'm on it.

908
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:36,270
I've got my deck ready.

909
00:34:36,750 --> 00:34:38,370
No, he feels like he got cornered in

910
00:34:38,370 --> 00:34:40,230
the elevator by some creepy guy.

911
00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:44,130
I wish we could have Ted or someone

912
00:34:44,130 --> 00:34:45,310
from the team on the show.

913
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:46,590
That would be so much fun.

914
00:34:47,110 --> 00:34:47,670
I know.

915
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:50,790
I've, I've asked, I don't think that that's

916
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:51,250
going to happen.

917
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:52,449
Did you even get a reply?

918
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:53,409
You didn't get a reply.

919
00:34:53,530 --> 00:34:53,730
Yeah.

920
00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:55,190
I got a courteous, I got a courteous

921
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:55,570
reply.

922
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:55,989
Yes.

923
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:58,750
Oh, which was like, uh, maybe not this

924
00:34:58,750 --> 00:34:59,090
year.

925
00:35:00,610 --> 00:35:01,090
Yes.

926
00:35:01,090 --> 00:35:03,310
It was, it was, it was a courteous,

927
00:35:03,330 --> 00:35:08,730
uh, you know, demure, a courteous, no, no,

928
00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:11,550
but that's, yeah.

929
00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:14,590
And I'm, I'm, I think that it's, I

930
00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:17,510
think I got encouraged by this in just

931
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:18,350
a different way.

932
00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:22,290
I mean, and that my questions about it

933
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:26,990
are, are this, if I have, if I'm

934
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:31,110
subscribed to a, if I'm subscribed to a

935
00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:37,290
feed that's private, um, then like a subscription

936
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:40,890
only feed, do I, do I get transcripts

937
00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:42,870
and chapters also in that?

938
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:43,470
I don't know.

939
00:35:44,110 --> 00:35:44,830
I mean, am I going to get those

940
00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:45,210
chapters?

941
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:46,150
Say that again.

942
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,710
So if, if I have a private feed,

943
00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:50,610
like something like a members only thing where

944
00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:52,330
you get one of the special feeds just

945
00:35:52,330 --> 00:35:56,250
for you, will that also get chapters?

946
00:35:57,550 --> 00:36:00,850
Because this is, I've mentioned it before.

947
00:36:01,490 --> 00:36:06,010
My biggest pet peeve is that I pay

948
00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:11,270
for two podcasts from Twit for my job,

949
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:12,850
security now and windows weekly.

950
00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:16,710
I'm a member, I'm a Twit member, uh,

951
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:18,430
paying for the, for that reason.

952
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:22,610
But I, I still don't get chapters and

953
00:36:22,610 --> 00:36:25,910
transcripts and the whole point of having the

954
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:27,690
whole point of them not having chapters is

955
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:29,090
they don't want you skipping the ads, but

956
00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:30,870
I'm not, I don't get the ads anyway.

957
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:31,470
Right.

958
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:32,850
So give me chapters.

959
00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:38,210
I want this desperately because sometimes, Oh, you

960
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:40,410
just have to wade through, you know, an

961
00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:42,830
hour of content that you don't care about

962
00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:45,110
to get to, you know, to get to

963
00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:46,930
the parts that are relevant to you.

964
00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:47,930
And it's just painful.

965
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:50,450
Sometimes, you know, on a three hour podcast,

966
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:53,790
trying to find out, you know, where to

967
00:36:53,790 --> 00:36:54,050
go.

968
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,250
It's that, that's my first question.

969
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:58,570
And then my second question is what you

970
00:36:58,570 --> 00:37:02,450
said is how does it update if the

971
00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:03,930
chapters are dynamically changing?

972
00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:06,410
Is there an update mechanism that happens?

973
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:11,030
That's, that's, and I do have this now,

974
00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:21,330
the, the comment about, um, yeah, and

975
00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:22,750
yeah, I know that Nathan, I'm just saying

976
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:25,170
that like the Twit members only feeds don't

977
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:26,570
have ID three chapters.

978
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:27,770
They don't have any chapters at all.

979
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:30,290
And I'm hoping that the Apple podcast app

980
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:33,130
will done could auto create them.

981
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:34,510
So that's what, that's kind of what I'm

982
00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:34,990
hoping for.

983
00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:41,750
But so the question arises about dynamically inserted

984
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:45,910
ads and the chapters file staying in sync

985
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:47,010
with that.

986
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:47,630
Oh yeah.

987
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:48,490
That's a big one.

988
00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:49,970
That's a big one.

989
00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:56,170
Like if you have, if your show has

990
00:37:56,170 --> 00:38:01,130
set slots in it that get filled, then

991
00:38:01,130 --> 00:38:03,010
that's not as big of a deal.

992
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:06,190
But if it's not, if it can have,

993
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:09,150
uh, if it can have that, you know,

994
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:13,730
slots that don't always get filled, then, uh,

995
00:38:13,810 --> 00:38:16,510
what James said is right is sometimes you're

996
00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:19,010
going to get, sometimes you could get a

997
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:23,030
chapters file that doesn't necessarily match the enclosure

998
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:23,990
you are delivered.

999
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:29,250
Right now, you know, if your chapters are

1000
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:33,410
in this, this affects all chapters except MP3

1001
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:34,450
embedded chapters.

1002
00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:38,970
But we know that MP3 embedded chapters also

1003
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:39,770
have drawbacks.

1004
00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:41,310
So there is no winners here.

1005
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:43,290
There's, there's pros and cons to all of

1006
00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:43,590
this.

1007
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:47,690
You know, hold on.

1008
00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:51,170
Uh, you, you hit my magic button, man.

1009
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:53,610
Oh, there are no, there's no winning.

1010
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:56,490
We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere,

1011
00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:57,950
but we laugh a lot.

1012
00:38:58,090 --> 00:38:59,990
Now everyone hug and share a secret.

1013
00:39:00,170 --> 00:39:00,770
Yeah, baby.

1014
00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:02,990
Okay.

1015
00:39:04,030 --> 00:39:06,670
So let's hug and share a secret.

1016
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:10,350
The secret is I think that we can,

1017
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:16,070
I think that we could tweak this and

1018
00:39:16,070 --> 00:39:21,650
make and deliver a chapters URL in an

1019
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:25,030
HTTP header when the enclosure is delivered.

1020
00:39:26,350 --> 00:39:30,290
So if we had something like just jump

1021
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:32,390
spitball in here, I just kind of was

1022
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:33,210
thinking about this earlier.

1023
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:36,370
If when the enclosure is delivered, if you

1024
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:41,290
also in that, um, in that enclosure delivery,

1025
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:43,810
if you had a way to say like

1026
00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:47,870
X, X dash chapters, URL as a header

1027
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:51,410
with a link to a chapters file that

1028
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:59,750
has been modified to accommodate the, the, the

1029
00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:04,910
offsets, the proper offsets for that, for that

1030
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:07,550
dynamically adjusting enclosure, that could be a solution

1031
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:07,970
to it.

1032
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:10,790
Um, I don't know.

1033
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:12,790
I'm curious to see what people think about

1034
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:13,030
that.

1035
00:40:13,330 --> 00:40:13,550
Yeah.

1036
00:40:13,690 --> 00:40:17,590
I mean, isn't this ultimately a hosting company

1037
00:40:17,590 --> 00:40:18,370
issue?

1038
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:20,250
I mean, do we need to fix it

1039
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:20,890
that way?

1040
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:24,090
I mean, first of all, it's an issue

1041
00:40:24,090 --> 00:40:26,430
of the, it's an operator issue.

1042
00:40:26,850 --> 00:40:29,290
I want dynamically inserted ads.

1043
00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:29,990
Okay.

1044
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:31,890
Well pay the Piper.

1045
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:33,030
You've got a problem.

1046
00:40:33,590 --> 00:40:34,070
Yeah.

1047
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:36,250
I mean, it's not, it's not a, that

1048
00:40:36,250 --> 00:40:39,790
created the problem, not the, not the, uh,

1049
00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:42,070
the chapters or the transcript spec.

1050
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:46,190
It was, you know, dynamically insert ads, just

1051
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:48,970
like just threw it in and no one

1052
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:51,650
was thinking about, you know, the downstream effects.

1053
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:54,470
Oh yeah.

1054
00:40:54,510 --> 00:41:03,870
You know, that's For somebody like Buzzsprout where

1055
00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:10,430
they insert what, so your, your enclosure is

1056
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:12,070
going to get a certain set of ad

1057
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:17,310
insertions stitched into it sort of, sort of

1058
00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:18,230
ahead of time.

1059
00:41:19,330 --> 00:41:21,290
They can make those adjustments.

1060
00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:23,770
And so those chapters files stay in sync.

1061
00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:27,670
If you have somebody if you have a

1062
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:31,010
company that's doing just like truly wild west

1063
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:34,570
on the fly, you request an enclosure and

1064
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:37,650
it creates a unique enclosure for you at

1065
00:41:37,650 --> 00:41:38,690
that very moment.

1066
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:42,070
That's where it gets difficult.

1067
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:48,090
Um, I don't, I don't know how prevalent

1068
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:51,770
that is over this sort of pre-rendering

1069
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:52,050
of it.

1070
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:56,550
I don't have visibility into that, but you

1071
00:41:56,550 --> 00:42:00,100
know, I know that, I mean, I know

1072
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:04,680
it's large and it's, I would have to

1073
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,400
imagine that dynamically adjusting the enclosures, just, just

1074
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,140
looking at the number of feeds in the

1075
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:13,900
index and which hosts those are attributed to.

1076
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:19,900
Um, it's, I would not say that, I

1077
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,040
don't think it's clear that there's one that

1078
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,460
happens more than the other.

1079
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,840
I don't know.

1080
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,160
I don't know what Spreaker does.

1081
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:29,340
I don't know if they stitch it together

1082
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:31,260
at the time that they get request happens

1083
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:34,260
or if they sort of, you know, pre

1084
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,620
rent, if they pre-rendered those too, I

1085
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:37,220
don't know.

1086
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,330
Um, Nathan's saying something.

1087
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:43,830
He said, the fact I've never encountered a

1088
00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:46,790
DAI podcast with ID3 chapters tells me it

1089
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:47,650
will never happen.

1090
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:49,830
Yeah.

1091
00:42:51,070 --> 00:42:52,970
You know, that's, that's the thing is that

1092
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:55,690
these, that there is no perfect chapter solution.

1093
00:42:56,110 --> 00:42:58,910
The MP3 embedded chapters have drawbacks.

1094
00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:01,710
The, you know, Podlove chapters have drawbacks.

1095
00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:04,430
Cloud chapters have, uh, 2.0 chapters have,

1096
00:43:04,510 --> 00:43:08,710
I mean, they, to me, the, the 2

1097
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:12,610
.0 spec to me at least kind of

1098
00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:15,910
hits the middle of the road where there's,

1099
00:43:16,070 --> 00:43:18,370
where the pros and cons sort of balance

1100
00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:20,090
themselves out in the best way.

1101
00:43:21,110 --> 00:43:26,870
I think the other solutions have, have a

1102
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:31,930
con that is more severe than the 2

1103
00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:32,630
.0 chapters.

1104
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:33,910
And I think that may be why Apple

1105
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:37,290
decided to go with that spec is because

1106
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:39,550
it really does just sort of kind of,

1107
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:43,390
it, it, it doesn't suffer the, it does

1108
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:45,450
have cons, but they're just not as severe

1109
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:46,310
as the other ones.

1110
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:49,810
And because the, the, the ID3, you know,

1111
00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:51,870
the embedded ID3 chapters, those things are a

1112
00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:54,630
pain in the butt, you know?

1113
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:57,270
I mean, it's like sticking to embedding images

1114
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:58,770
directly into an audio file.

1115
00:43:58,910 --> 00:44:01,170
That's things like that.

1116
00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:03,050
And, and just having to do all that,

1117
00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:05,690
that, that is, it's not having to re

1118
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:07,170
-encode your audio every time you want to

1119
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:09,010
put a different chapter marker in.

1120
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:10,870
I just, I don't know.

1121
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:11,490
It's just goofy.

1122
00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:15,710
So I think that those, um, I think

1123
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:17,550
that that's why, uh, that's why they probably

1124
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:19,750
did that is because the, the, the downsides

1125
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:24,190
are just not as steep, um, in the

1126
00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:26,050
absence of a per, of a truly perfect

1127
00:44:26,050 --> 00:44:26,450
spec.

1128
00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:29,350
Let's, let's, let's, I mean, after, after dealing

1129
00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:33,310
with value for value stuff all week, we

1130
00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:35,450
can clearly say that there are no perfect

1131
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:36,110
specs here.

1132
00:44:36,830 --> 00:44:36,930
Yeah.

1133
00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:38,710
No kidding.

1134
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:40,030
No kidding.

1135
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:46,350
But we, but we do have a LN

1136
00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:47,750
address now for the index.

1137
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:50,190
I actually, I, uh, I changed it for

1138
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:51,990
our live and I will change it for

1139
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:55,330
the, um, uh, for this episode.

1140
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:57,210
It's podcast index.

1141
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:58,290
I think you need to change the feed

1142
00:44:58,290 --> 00:44:58,950
too, Adam.

1143
00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:00,570
What do you mean?

1144
00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:04,430
It's like in the, the, the value block

1145
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:06,450
in the feed is the channel itself.

1146
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:09,310
I'm not following you.

1147
00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:12,270
Cause I was seeing the other day that,

1148
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:14,150
uh, yeah, see, we still have the node

1149
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:17,890
address in the, in the value block that's

1150
00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:18,570
in the channel.

1151
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:20,490
Uh, hold on.

1152
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:22,270
Oh, that's a good point.

1153
00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:25,270
Well, I, I haven't changed the, I only

1154
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:26,830
changed for this live episode.

1155
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:28,650
I figured this is exactly why I didn't

1156
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:30,490
do any more because I figured Dave will

1157
00:45:30,490 --> 00:45:31,310
tell me what to do.

1158
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:31,810
Let me see.

1159
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:34,650
Uh, yes, there it is.

1160
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:36,290
So let me change that.

1161
00:45:36,370 --> 00:45:36,950
By the way.

1162
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:37,790
Thank you.

1163
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:41,610
Stephen B, uh, Stephen B now has a

1164
00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:44,810
little warnings in, um, sovereign feeds, which I've

1165
00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:47,530
been using for years now.

1166
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:50,370
Uh, sovereign feeds.com.

1167
00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:53,130
There's a little, there's a little warning next

1168
00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:56,290
to each, uh, value block entry and says,

1169
00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:58,190
please update to use Ellen address.

1170
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:59,510
Oh, nice.

1171
00:45:59,630 --> 00:46:00,990
So I'm going to do that right now.

1172
00:46:00,990 --> 00:46:01,830
Ellen address.

1173
00:46:02,110 --> 00:46:06,830
And I changed that to podcast index at

1174
00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:09,350
get lb.com.

1175
00:46:10,090 --> 00:46:12,550
The stay safe sage also needs to change

1176
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:13,150
in there too.

1177
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:15,230
To be me.

1178
00:46:15,550 --> 00:46:16,150
What are you?

1179
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:17,510
David get lb.com.

1180
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:17,950
Okay.

1181
00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:18,550
Hold on.

1182
00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:21,450
There's also Saturn test.

1183
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:22,470
I think Saturn's dead.

1184
00:46:22,610 --> 00:46:22,750
Yeah.

1185
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:23,470
Hold on a second.

1186
00:46:23,830 --> 00:46:26,610
Uh, what, what is your, your Ellen, your

1187
00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:27,190
Ellen address?

1188
00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:27,870
What is it again?

1189
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:29,730
David get lb.com.

1190
00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:30,390
You're just Dave.

1191
00:46:30,430 --> 00:46:30,670
Wow.

1192
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:33,990
Get lb.com.

1193
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:34,710
Okay.

1194
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:36,730
Fixed.

1195
00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:38,490
Um, booster gram monitor.

1196
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:40,970
That's I need to change that.

1197
00:46:41,010 --> 00:46:43,170
Uh, Dreb Scott needs to change.

1198
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,150
Oh, I forget what he is.

1199
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:47,170
I'll check that in a second.

1200
00:46:47,550 --> 00:46:49,150
I'll remove the Saturn test.

1201
00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:50,010
Cause that's dead.

1202
00:46:50,290 --> 00:46:50,850
Yeah.

1203
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:51,490
That's toast.

1204
00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:53,030
Uh, fountain boost bot.

1205
00:46:53,350 --> 00:46:55,930
I think that's, isn't that boost bot at,

1206
00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:59,810
uh, fountain.fm. That sounds right.

1207
00:46:59,810 --> 00:47:05,210
Boost bot at fountain.fm. Okay.

1208
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:07,910
So those are the ones I can change

1209
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:08,290
right now.

1210
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:09,250
Let me just double check.

1211
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:10,050
Hold on one second.

1212
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:13,490
What is, uh, Dreb?

1213
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:16,750
Dreb is, uh, Dreb Scott at get lb.

1214
00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:17,070
Okay.

1215
00:47:17,110 --> 00:47:17,950
That makes sense.

1216
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:19,910
So back here, this is Stephen B.

1217
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:22,090
You've created such a beautiful piece of software,

1218
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:22,450
brother.

1219
00:47:22,610 --> 00:47:24,630
I hope this thing always stays in my

1220
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:25,050
life.

1221
00:47:25,810 --> 00:47:30,530
So I want, I want to, uh, I'll

1222
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:32,490
briefly like run down what I did this

1223
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:32,730
week.

1224
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:33,270
Okay.

1225
00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:34,730
With regards to this.

1226
00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:37,170
So I, I initially, I dove in and

1227
00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:40,190
I was like, okay, I'm going to set

1228
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:41,450
up a, I'm going to set up an

1229
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:45,950
Albi hub on the, uh, PayPal server.

1230
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:49,390
And then that will connect with our, with

1231
00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:51,730
the, with the podcast index node.

1232
00:47:53,410 --> 00:47:53,930
Sexy.

1233
00:47:53,930 --> 00:48:02,610
And the, for reasons for sysadmin reasons, I

1234
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:03,770
decided not to do that.

1235
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:07,010
Tell me about it.

1236
00:48:07,110 --> 00:48:08,290
What it's in your DNA.

1237
00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:14,970
I got into it and I could, well,

1238
00:48:15,110 --> 00:48:17,190
first of all, I did initially set it

1239
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:17,750
up that way.

1240
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:23,610
And then I found out that you, you

1241
00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:27,030
can only get channels to your Albi hub.

1242
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:32,860
Like even if you said I was, even

1243
00:48:32,860 --> 00:48:36,140
if you set it up that way, excuse

1244
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:37,520
me, I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to

1245
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,320
get my thoughts clear.

1246
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:40,220
If you set it up that way, I

1247
00:48:40,220 --> 00:48:42,920
was concerned about the security of having that

1248
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,080
thing directly linked to our node and also

1249
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,040
having an open port on the, on that

1250
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,380
server.

1251
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:48,620
Yes.

1252
00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:51,240
I don't, I don't understand.

1253
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,400
You know, I don't, I don't know what

1254
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,560
is going on with, with Albi's code in

1255
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,260
the Albi hub.

1256
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,840
If it has, if it has a flaw

1257
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,300
in it or a vulnerability in that thing's

1258
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,460
running directly on our node with a pipeline

1259
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:08,620
into Ellen, into our L not directly on

1260
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:10,160
our node, but directly on our servers with

1261
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,960
a backend pipeline to our node, some kind

1262
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,980
of vulnerability could just, you know, drain us.

1263
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,040
Anything could happen.

1264
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:17,220
Yeah.

1265
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:17,760
Good point.

1266
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,500
Yeah.

1267
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,560
It just seemed too risky.

1268
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,440
So then I went to, okay, okay.

1269
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,760
Well, I was like, well, we could do

1270
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,420
cloud hosted node with Albi and let them

1271
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:30,360
run the, run the node, the Albi hub.

1272
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,700
But then.

1273
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:33,740
Oh, there's all kinds of issues with liquidity.

1274
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,800
Yeah.

1275
00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:37,220
The liquid, I saw you, you have to

1276
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:38,000
buy a channel.

1277
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:38,720
Yes.

1278
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:41,600
And, and that's, and, and that channel is,

1279
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,800
I think initially outbound only, I think.

1280
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:47,380
Yeah.

1281
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:49,120
I don't think it's a balanced channel.

1282
00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:51,340
It's all one side.

1283
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:51,580
Yeah.

1284
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:52,240
It's one sided.

1285
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,340
You were exactly right by that.

1286
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,620
And so I was, I was like, well,

1287
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,960
you know, it's, it just really seems like

1288
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:06,480
not cool to have to buy liquidity when

1289
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,420
we have a node sitting here with, you

1290
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,480
know, with two, you know, two point something

1291
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,180
Bitcoin on it.

1292
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:14,600
With a lot, with a lot of liquidity

1293
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:15,200
everywhere.

1294
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:15,760
Yes.

1295
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,020
Yeah.

1296
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,300
I mean, we have two, you know, we

1297
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:19,140
have a hundred and something channels on this

1298
00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:19,280
now.

1299
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:20,580
I mean, we can easily open up a

1300
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:22,180
channel, but it doesn't seem to be an

1301
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:22,960
easy way to do that.

1302
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,740
So I was like, well, okay, that's not

1303
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:25,200
going to work.

1304
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,800
So I was like, okay, well fallback plan.

1305
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,700
I will throw the Albi hub on a

1306
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:39,880
machine that I own and run.

1307
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:47,700
And then buy a channel and then let

1308
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:51,380
that, let those transactions come in.

1309
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,880
And then I will just batch send those

1310
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,720
over to the podcast index node periodically.

1311
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,200
You know, which is, which is fine.

1312
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,840
We missed, we were going to miss the

1313
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,480
metadata and the boost a gram part of

1314
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:08,740
it.

1315
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:10,820
If things come through that way, but if,

1316
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,200
as long as we have splits, we'll still

1317
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,280
get that, that metadata info in the, in

1318
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,140
the other place.

1319
00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:15,400
Yeah.

1320
00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:17,780
And I do want to say that as

1321
00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:19,340
I've been looking at this, I've been changing

1322
00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:20,280
things around.

1323
00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:24,760
You can log into strike on their website.

1324
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,680
And, and it actually gives you a pretty

1325
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,020
nice feed of everything that's coming in.

1326
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,420
And, and this is actually in a way

1327
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:38,880
it's kind of like it because if the,

1328
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,800
I'll have to log in again.

1329
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:44,520
I guess they log you out after a

1330
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,640
certain amount of enact.

1331
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:46,240
Oh, there you go.

1332
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:49,600
If your, if your booster gram is short

1333
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,860
enough, it shows up entirely.

1334
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:54,580
So I'm looking here.

1335
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,100
So we just got a boost and I

1336
00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:00,980
can retrieve that right from this webpage.

1337
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,220
And it says a good to see stuff

1338
00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:05,120
being worked out.

1339
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,300
Are e-booster grams in the masto today?

1340
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:09,600
I'm confident that Oscar, Stephen B, Alex at

1341
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,120
all, will come up with a great solution.

1342
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,180
Alex's meta-boost proposal seems interesting.

1343
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,400
And that was from Sir Libre and it,

1344
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,960
and it cut, it cut off the last

1345
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,820
bit, which was interesting to me, by the

1346
00:52:21,820 --> 00:52:23,360
way, v4vmusic.com.

1347
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Now what it doesn't give me is the

1348
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,080
overall boost amount.

1349
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:34,060
So I, I could probably reverse engineer it.

1350
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,260
So it doesn't show me that it was

1351
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:37,580
22,222 sets.

1352
00:52:38,180 --> 00:52:38,660
Yeah.

1353
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:39,740
But I'm going to give you like the

1354
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:40,680
good and all that.

1355
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:44,640
Well, the message comes through just purely as

1356
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:45,260
the message.

1357
00:52:45,860 --> 00:52:48,180
I love Eric PP, by the way, everything

1358
00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:48,640
is undefined.

1359
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:51,620
Eric PP, that's the same as same as

1360
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:52,880
pod link undefined.

1361
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,500
It's like, yeah, he's got undefined in his

1362
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:55,840
DNA.

1363
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,540
Um, so that's too bad.

1364
00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:02,900
Uh, that, that, you know, the, uh, that

1365
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:05,380
the actual full on amount doesn't come through

1366
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:07,060
by the way, that could of course always

1367
00:53:07,060 --> 00:53:09,980
be, uh, put into the message, I guess.

1368
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,000
Right.

1369
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:13,100
But we're not that far off.

1370
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,600
At least it's coming through and strike, you

1371
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,120
know, strike.

1372
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,060
And, you know, you see the, uh, fountain.

1373
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,160
It still gives you a link.

1374
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,600
I see a test boost from, uh, so

1375
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,200
fountain is now sending it a little bit

1376
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:25,780
differently.

1377
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,280
I'm getting from them.

1378
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:33,800
I'm getting RSS colon, colon payment, colon, colon

1379
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:34,360
boost.

1380
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,800
Then I get a URL, which takes me

1381
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,520
to the, the actual, almost like the TLV

1382
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,340
or all the metadata.

1383
00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:43,560
And then I still get the message test

1384
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,220
boost, uh, creepy eyes, creepy eyes, creepy eyes.

1385
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,460
But I, but see, I don't know that

1386
00:53:49,460 --> 00:53:50,200
it's from Oscar.

1387
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,500
That should, that should be in the, well,

1388
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,980
it's in the header that gets returned.

1389
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:07,190
Um, because he, his, um, like his, his

1390
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:10,550
proposal, um, that he's talking about is a

1391
00:54:10,550 --> 00:54:13,930
way for, is a way for apps to

1392
00:54:13,930 --> 00:54:17,210
return the boost metadata.

1393
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:18,170
Yes.

1394
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:20,710
Now that, that piece is actually working because

1395
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:22,910
if you, yes, it is, because if you

1396
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:27,050
follow that link, HTTPS, let me just follow

1397
00:54:27,050 --> 00:54:27,810
that for a second.

1398
00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:29,770
So I'm going to, I'm going to put

1399
00:54:29,770 --> 00:54:31,850
that link into the boardroom so people can

1400
00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:32,370
see it.

1401
00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:37,170
So if you follow that link, see what

1402
00:54:37,170 --> 00:54:38,150
happens here.

1403
00:54:39,370 --> 00:54:43,410
Um, but actually, yes, it pops up.

1404
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:44,230
Wow.

1405
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:46,170
It even gives you a curl command for

1406
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:46,390
it.

1407
00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:47,190
How about that?

1408
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:48,610
Yeah.

1409
00:54:49,070 --> 00:54:50,410
And there, and there it is.

1410
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:51,010
Yeah.

1411
00:54:51,130 --> 00:54:52,110
Very nice.

1412
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:53,030
Very nice.

1413
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:53,590
Code friendly.

1414
00:54:54,570 --> 00:54:58,110
So yeah, if this, now this does not

1415
00:54:58,110 --> 00:55:03,310
solve the, you know, the general problem of

1416
00:55:03,310 --> 00:55:08,090
how do you, how do you specify a

1417
00:55:08,090 --> 00:55:10,790
place to send the metadata?

1418
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:13,530
That's the, you know, we, that's still a

1419
00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:15,770
job for some in a neutral way.

1420
00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:18,590
I mean, so, so hold on a second,

1421
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:21,710
let me just, cause I'm the dumb guy

1422
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:21,950
here.

1423
00:55:23,090 --> 00:55:26,530
So Fountain is, they've specified a place for

1424
00:55:26,530 --> 00:55:29,070
their app and their app is fountain.fm

1425
00:55:29,070 --> 00:55:31,930
slash whatever, question mark, some more stuff.

1426
00:55:33,210 --> 00:55:35,910
So, and they are telling me in the

1427
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:37,870
message, here's where you get the metadata.

1428
00:55:39,970 --> 00:55:41,610
So isn't that all I need?

1429
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:43,230
Do I need, why do we need to

1430
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:45,190
specify a certain place you send it to?

1431
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:47,470
If, if my app, if I'm using a

1432
00:55:47,470 --> 00:55:50,830
different app and I send, uh, and I

1433
00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:53,390
send a boost and that gets stored on

1434
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:55,390
my app server, as long as it has

1435
00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:59,630
the same basic structure that you can retrieve

1436
00:55:59,630 --> 00:56:01,470
it with, retrieve all the metadata.

1437
00:56:01,650 --> 00:56:02,370
Isn't that enough?

1438
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:04,870
Why do we need to spend, does everyone

1439
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:06,310
have to send to the same place?

1440
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:07,290
Is that what you're saying?

1441
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:12,710
The, that's good for Fountain or for apps

1442
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:14,970
that are going to host that, that are

1443
00:56:14,970 --> 00:56:16,490
going to take on the hosting of this

1444
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:17,350
data themselves.

1445
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:20,750
But if you're an app that doesn't, where

1446
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,170
do, where did they send it?

1447
00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:23,270
That's the question.

1448
00:56:23,530 --> 00:56:23,750
Like where?

1449
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:24,750
Dev null.

1450
00:56:26,110 --> 00:56:27,110
Dev zero.

1451
00:56:27,970 --> 00:56:31,170
The, so if you, if you're an, if

1452
00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:35,610
you're an app that wants to support sending

1453
00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:37,150
boosts and you just are going to, and

1454
00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:39,470
you've decided that you're going to link, and

1455
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:41,470
let me, I'll paint the hypothetical here.

1456
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:47,410
You are, um, uh, you're, you're an app

1457
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:50,350
that has decided that you want to just

1458
00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:53,810
link to somebody's strike wallet and that's what

1459
00:56:53,810 --> 00:56:55,350
you're going to use to send boosts.

1460
00:56:55,650 --> 00:56:57,870
So you're not supporting key send out of

1461
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:59,650
the gate because strike doesn't do that.

1462
00:57:00,430 --> 00:57:02,810
You're just an, you're just calling their API.

1463
00:57:03,010 --> 00:57:04,530
You make, you do an OAuth link over

1464
00:57:04,530 --> 00:57:05,310
to strikes wallet.

1465
00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:07,250
And so now you have a, now you

1466
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:09,650
have a linkage there and people listening to

1467
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:15,930
podcasts can send, uh, can send boosts to

1468
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:17,750
other users as long as they have an

1469
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:18,490
LN address.

1470
00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:23,690
You are an, a device only app.

1471
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:24,710
You don't have a backend.

1472
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:27,890
So you're not going to be able to

1473
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:29,790
host payment metadata.

1474
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:30,370
I got it.

1475
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:30,950
I got it.

1476
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:34,890
How, so what we need and what, what,

1477
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:38,390
what Oscar has given us is a way

1478
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:42,430
to present it back to give a URL

1479
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:47,270
that will then return the, the data, the

1480
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:49,190
return, return the metadata in a way that

1481
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:51,890
we can all read from the HTTP header.

1482
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:55,970
We also need some, a complimentary spec that

1483
00:57:55,970 --> 00:58:00,210
will define in the feed where the metadata

1484
00:58:00,210 --> 00:58:01,210
can be sent.

1485
00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:04,330
So this hypothetical app that, that locks into

1486
00:58:04,330 --> 00:58:07,030
strike, I see, can send the boost and

1487
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:08,770
then also read the feed and say, here's

1488
00:58:08,770 --> 00:58:10,730
a, here's an API endpoint that I can

1489
00:58:10,730 --> 00:58:12,670
send this boost metadata with it.

1490
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:14,430
Would that not be a function of your

1491
00:58:14,430 --> 00:58:16,830
hosting company or your hosting set up then?

1492
00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:19,230
Uh, could be, or it could be a

1493
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:19,670
third party.

1494
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:20,530
Right.

1495
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:22,930
You know, uh, Albie could choose to host

1496
00:58:22,930 --> 00:58:24,850
it or fountain could host it for other

1497
00:58:24,850 --> 00:58:25,930
providers, for others.

1498
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:26,270
Right.

1499
00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:27,570
They could do a third party deal.

1500
00:58:28,290 --> 00:58:30,170
Um, this could be, or you could run

1501
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:31,030
your roll your own.

1502
00:58:31,550 --> 00:58:33,370
Uh, maybe it could even be put into

1503
00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:34,310
helipads somehow.

1504
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:34,730
Yeah.

1505
00:58:35,830 --> 00:58:37,850
So it could, as long as we have

1506
00:58:37,850 --> 00:58:39,810
an A an open API, the meta boost,

1507
00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:42,730
uh, spec is what Alex has been working

1508
00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:43,030
on.

1509
00:58:43,790 --> 00:58:46,630
When that, when that spec gets to be

1510
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:48,190
mature, then we, then I think what we

1511
00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:50,230
have is all the P all the, we

1512
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:51,390
got all the pieces of the puzzle.

1513
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:53,450
We have a place to send the metadata

1514
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:57,370
and then using Oscar spec, we have a

1515
00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:59,430
consistent way to retrieve it.

1516
00:58:59,610 --> 00:58:59,790
Yes.

1517
00:58:59,930 --> 00:59:00,150
Yeah.

1518
00:59:01,190 --> 00:59:01,590
Okay.

1519
00:59:01,590 --> 00:59:04,350
So, so what we're doing here is basically

1520
00:59:04,350 --> 00:59:05,690
reinventing Nostra.

1521
00:59:07,530 --> 00:59:08,730
I don't think so.

1522
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:11,290
That's not the way I read this at

1523
00:59:11,290 --> 00:59:11,430
all.

1524
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:12,030
No, no, no.

1525
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:14,310
But you could use, you could use a

1526
00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:16,890
Nostra relay, I guess, technically, if it had

1527
00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:17,890
an API for it.

1528
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:21,610
Uh, I mean, fountain already does.

1529
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:23,070
They've already published the spec for how to

1530
00:59:23,070 --> 00:59:23,370
do that.

1531
00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:23,730
Yeah.

1532
00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:23,910
Right.

1533
00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:26,370
But so, yeah, but no one wanted to

1534
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:26,750
do that.

1535
00:59:26,790 --> 00:59:28,230
Am I just understanding that correctly?

1536
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:30,710
So basically the idea of storing it on

1537
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:32,870
Nostra, everyone went, nah, I don't think so.

1538
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:35,950
So now just to summarize, Alex is working

1539
00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:38,370
on a MetaBoost API spec.

1540
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:39,990
Yes.

1541
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:40,430
Okay.

1542
00:59:40,610 --> 00:59:42,270
And so that will be, right.

1543
00:59:42,490 --> 00:59:44,890
So, and so that's something that I could

1544
00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:47,470
either roll my own cause I'll vibe code

1545
00:59:47,470 --> 00:59:50,690
that in a day, uh, or third, you

1546
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:53,090
know, I can see Spurlock creating something like

1547
00:59:53,090 --> 00:59:56,550
that and taking a piece of the split

1548
00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:57,010
for it.

1549
00:59:57,730 --> 00:59:58,270
For sure.

1550
00:59:58,450 --> 00:59:58,610
Yeah.

1551
00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:59,250
It's a good idea.

1552
00:59:59,550 --> 00:59:59,910
Yeah.

1553
00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:00,850
I think this all makes sense.

1554
01:00:00,990 --> 01:00:02,610
Which by the way, I would prefer John,

1555
01:00:02,810 --> 01:00:06,410
I would, I would much, much rather prefer

1556
01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:08,950
giving you some sats and you hosting it

1557
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:10,770
and making it work than me doing it.

1558
01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:13,670
But you could be sovereign and do it

1559
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:13,970
yourself.

1560
01:00:15,570 --> 01:00:17,070
The, um, yeah, you could.

1561
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:17,310
Yeah.

1562
01:00:18,010 --> 01:00:21,350
I think that once, now that we have

1563
01:00:21,350 --> 01:00:23,890
an LN address that we can receive things

1564
01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:28,430
from, we can actually put in the first

1565
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:30,250
implementations of what this is.

1566
01:00:30,830 --> 01:00:32,930
We can put, we can roll the meta.

1567
01:00:33,070 --> 01:00:36,770
We can host a MetaBoost spec API, MetaBoost

1568
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:39,330
API server, and then we can publish it

1569
01:00:39,330 --> 01:00:44,490
back out using, uh, Oscars HTTP header format.

1570
01:00:45,330 --> 01:00:47,750
Um, and I think I will, we will

1571
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:50,610
just, we will host this stuff as proof

1572
01:00:50,610 --> 01:00:51,070
of spec.

1573
01:00:51,590 --> 01:00:53,470
We, you and I podcast index.

1574
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:54,150
Yeah.

1575
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:55,410
You're going to vibe code it, baby.

1576
01:00:56,050 --> 01:00:58,730
Hey, just give me the spec and I'm

1577
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:59,070
done.

1578
01:00:59,150 --> 01:01:00,970
You have no idea what I've been doing

1579
01:01:00,970 --> 01:01:03,390
so much now that I know what the

1580
01:01:03,390 --> 01:01:05,530
heck is happening in my, in my code,

1581
01:01:05,850 --> 01:01:07,850
I'm actually getting pretty good at adding a

1582
01:01:07,850 --> 01:01:08,190
feature.

1583
01:01:08,770 --> 01:01:13,590
I added an entire library system to the,

1584
01:01:13,590 --> 01:01:16,410
you know, to the your town live stream

1585
01:01:16,410 --> 01:01:16,950
system.

1586
01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:21,350
And, and so this, this library, it, when

1587
01:01:21,350 --> 01:01:22,990
you go to the page, it extracts all

1588
01:01:22,990 --> 01:01:23,650
the metadata.

1589
01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:24,990
You can preview it.

1590
01:01:25,010 --> 01:01:26,410
It'll tell you where it's scheduled.

1591
01:01:26,570 --> 01:01:27,810
You can, you can delete it.

1592
01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:29,150
It'll delete all the schedules.

1593
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:32,230
You can search, you can, you can, um,

1594
01:01:32,590 --> 01:01:35,290
um, sort by any of the fields, title,

1595
01:01:35,410 --> 01:01:36,990
artist, year, duration, folder.

1596
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:39,950
I did that in two hours.

1597
01:01:40,450 --> 01:01:42,210
I was blown away.

1598
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:45,590
What is, what is your, what does your

1599
01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:47,510
back and forth process look like?

1600
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:48,690
I'm still missing.

1601
01:01:48,830 --> 01:01:50,210
This is still mysterious to me.

1602
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:50,990
Oh, okay.

1603
01:01:51,690 --> 01:01:52,370
I'm happy.

1604
01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:55,290
So I, so the, your town live stream.

1605
01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:58,510
So basically this is so everyone understands there's

1606
01:01:58,510 --> 01:01:59,750
a streaming portion.

1607
01:01:59,790 --> 01:02:02,710
It uses a YAML, a YAML file.

1608
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:05,850
The YAML file tells it what to pull

1609
01:02:05,850 --> 01:02:06,770
and the YAML file.

1610
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:09,110
So the, the, that part is, has been

1611
01:02:09,110 --> 01:02:10,850
running for weeks and weeks and weeks.

1612
01:02:10,850 --> 01:02:12,730
That actually works pretty well.

1613
01:02:13,450 --> 01:02:14,710
Um, it's solid.

1614
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:17,810
The management part is what I've really been

1615
01:02:17,810 --> 01:02:18,350
working on.

1616
01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:21,170
So there's, there's really only one app.

1617
01:02:21,250 --> 01:02:24,470
It's a flask app and, uh, the flask

1618
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:26,690
app has end points and the end points

1619
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:29,830
are called by HTML files, right?

1620
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:32,950
So I have manage override library studio.

1621
01:02:33,970 --> 01:02:37,590
And so when I, when I go into,

1622
01:02:37,830 --> 01:02:41,490
um, to create a new feature, so that

1623
01:02:41,490 --> 01:02:42,710
would be the library feature.

1624
01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:46,770
I paste these, I use grok exclusively and

1625
01:02:46,770 --> 01:02:49,390
I've been using grok expert mode, which I

1626
01:02:49,390 --> 01:02:51,630
like because it's costing somebody a lot of

1627
01:02:51,630 --> 01:02:53,430
money somewhere and it's costing me nothing.

1628
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:54,510
So I like this a lot.

1629
01:02:55,350 --> 01:02:58,110
Um, the grok fast four beta mode.

1630
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:58,970
Don't try that.

1631
01:02:58,970 --> 01:03:02,850
Because it, it, after like three iterations, it

1632
01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:04,850
starts giving you back just pieces of code.

1633
01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:05,230
Anyway.

1634
01:03:05,350 --> 01:03:06,310
So here's my process.

1635
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:09,870
I'll say I have a streaming radio server.

1636
01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:13,390
Uh, I have a management system that runs

1637
01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:14,590
off of this flask app.

1638
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:16,410
I paste the entire code in.

1639
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:20,110
Then I say, uh, I want to add

1640
01:03:20,110 --> 01:03:23,090
to, I want to add a page similar

1641
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:23,830
to this one.

1642
01:03:23,830 --> 01:03:26,490
I'll paste in the HTML code for actually

1643
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:28,250
one of the like studio, which is just

1644
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:30,750
a, it's a smaller file, paste that in.

1645
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:32,690
And here's what I want it to do.

1646
01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:36,490
And then I say, give me the entire

1647
01:03:36,490 --> 01:03:41,550
file, HTML file and rewrite the entire flask

1648
01:03:41,550 --> 01:03:45,290
app with your changes and do this every

1649
01:03:45,290 --> 01:03:48,350
single time that we change something or fix

1650
01:03:48,350 --> 01:03:51,290
a bug because I suck at editing in

1651
01:03:51,290 --> 01:03:52,430
line and it's confusing.

1652
01:03:53,070 --> 01:03:56,130
And then it will spit back quite quickly.

1653
01:03:56,250 --> 01:03:58,310
Actually the initial, it'll spit back the whole

1654
01:03:58,310 --> 01:03:59,030
flask app.

1655
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:02,530
It'll, it'll give me the HTML file and

1656
01:04:02,530 --> 01:04:04,310
then I monitor the log.

1657
01:04:04,330 --> 01:04:06,190
And if it doesn't work and this thing

1658
01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:08,430
worked very well, almost off the bat.

1659
01:04:08,670 --> 01:04:10,790
And so let's say, okay, I like this,

1660
01:04:10,850 --> 01:04:11,970
but I want to change something.

1661
01:04:11,970 --> 01:04:14,170
I'll say, you know, change this.

1662
01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:16,750
And it'll give me back the full, if

1663
01:04:16,750 --> 01:04:18,550
it needs to, if it needs to rewrite

1664
01:04:18,550 --> 01:04:20,790
the flask app, it'll give me that Python

1665
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,830
and the HTML file.

1666
01:04:22,990 --> 01:04:24,570
And I just keep doing that over and

1667
01:04:24,570 --> 01:04:24,950
over again.

1668
01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:28,970
Sometimes if you go on too long, then

1669
01:04:28,970 --> 01:04:31,910
it starts giving you back half a file.

1670
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:33,010
It's confused.

1671
01:04:33,450 --> 01:04:35,430
And so then I'll just start a new

1672
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:37,490
session and I'll say, here's what I was

1673
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:38,130
working on.

1674
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:39,670
I need to fix this.

1675
01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:42,230
And here's the flask app.

1676
01:04:42,310 --> 01:04:43,390
Here's the HTML file.

1677
01:04:43,590 --> 01:04:45,330
It usually will fix it on the first

1678
01:04:45,330 --> 01:04:46,010
go around.

1679
01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:49,290
Once you're, you're in this loop and it's

1680
01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:51,290
like when you can, you can start to

1681
01:04:51,290 --> 01:04:52,990
feel it going towards the, you need to

1682
01:04:52,990 --> 01:04:54,410
rebuild your kernel phase.

1683
01:04:55,650 --> 01:04:58,130
Or, you know, you need to reinstall Icecast.

1684
01:04:58,290 --> 01:04:59,210
No, I don't.

1685
01:04:59,710 --> 01:05:01,290
You know, this is the stuff that I've

1686
01:05:01,290 --> 01:05:01,490
learned.

1687
01:05:01,630 --> 01:05:03,650
Then you just open up a new session

1688
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:05,430
and then it comes back pretty good.

1689
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:06,410
And that's how I do it.

1690
01:05:07,050 --> 01:05:08,770
So you put, you paste in your entire

1691
01:05:08,770 --> 01:05:10,310
flask app is what you said, but is

1692
01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:11,890
it, is it all a single file?

1693
01:05:12,030 --> 01:05:12,550
How do you get?

1694
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:13,750
Yeah, it's one file.

1695
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:14,750
It's one Python script.

1696
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:16,650
Okay.

1697
01:05:17,370 --> 01:05:17,570
Yeah.

1698
01:05:17,650 --> 01:05:20,270
Cause I look at my projects, like I

1699
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:21,750
look at the projects that I build and

1700
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:24,470
I'm like, I have a hundred files here.

1701
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:25,470
Like, how would I even?

1702
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:27,470
Well, you're not very efficient at coding.

1703
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:30,150
Obviously, I don't know what you're doing there,

1704
01:05:30,330 --> 01:05:30,910
Dave Jones.

1705
01:05:31,650 --> 01:05:33,590
It's like every, you know, you, you, your

1706
01:05:33,590 --> 01:05:36,790
classic project layout is, you know, all your

1707
01:05:36,790 --> 01:05:38,730
classes are, you know, each class is in

1708
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:39,470
his own file.

1709
01:05:41,030 --> 01:05:43,190
Modules just, it just imports stuff.

1710
01:05:44,770 --> 01:05:47,330
I have not made any of my own,

1711
01:05:47,370 --> 01:05:48,710
uh, modules.

1712
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:50,750
I'm using everything off the shelf.

1713
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:53,110
So let me, uh, let me tell you

1714
01:05:53,110 --> 01:05:54,630
how many lines of code this is.

1715
01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:58,830
Um, uh, what is the command to give?

1716
01:05:59,170 --> 01:06:00,870
Uh, Oh, actually I can, I can do

1717
01:06:00,870 --> 01:06:01,290
it differently.

1718
01:06:01,410 --> 01:06:01,770
I'm sorry.

1719
01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:03,610
I've gotten pretty good at this.

1720
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:10,470
Uh, uh, web UI app, uh, w C

1721
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:10,890
L.

1722
01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:11,370
Okay.

1723
01:06:12,050 --> 01:06:14,150
1,557 lines.

1724
01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:16,670
How many?

1725
01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:21,070
1,750, 15 fits a 1,557 lines

1726
01:06:21,070 --> 01:06:21,550
of code.

1727
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:24,250
And it basically loads the whole thing into

1728
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:26,470
memory, including the HTML pages.

1729
01:06:26,670 --> 01:06:28,110
It's all in there just as good.

1730
01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:30,850
And, and, uh, and it runs as a,

1731
01:06:31,310 --> 01:06:32,250
as a service.

1732
01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:35,770
So if I make a change, I changed

1733
01:06:35,770 --> 01:06:38,630
the file and then I restart the service.

1734
01:06:40,890 --> 01:06:43,050
Cause I'm interested in this because the one,

1735
01:06:43,450 --> 01:06:46,930
the, you know, I run into one of

1736
01:06:46,930 --> 01:06:48,850
the things I did this week, which was,

1737
01:06:48,970 --> 01:06:50,210
uh, I said last week, I was going

1738
01:06:50,210 --> 01:06:52,630
to export all the, the value feeds out.

1739
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:54,230
So I posted that earlier today.

1740
01:06:56,710 --> 01:07:01,330
Um, and the, uh, let's see if I

1741
01:07:01,330 --> 01:07:02,350
can pull it up.

1742
01:07:02,350 --> 01:07:07,430
The exported all the feeds and along with

1743
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:11,090
what hosting company was hosting each feed that

1744
01:07:11,090 --> 01:07:13,050
had a value block in it so that

1745
01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:15,450
we could get a, a read on, you

1746
01:07:15,450 --> 01:07:17,370
know, who needs to be contacted and in

1747
01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:19,630
order to change Ellen addresses and that kind

1748
01:07:19,630 --> 01:07:19,850
of thing.

1749
01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:23,250
So, I mean, this was a, this was

1750
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:29,630
a simple script to write, but, and that's

1751
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:32,550
kind of the issue is sometimes I have

1752
01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:35,090
a pretty simple thing I need to do.

1753
01:07:35,470 --> 01:07:38,250
And, but actually sitting down to write it

1754
01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:41,130
as annoying, you know, it would, I would

1755
01:07:41,130 --> 01:07:43,190
love to just be able to, to, to

1756
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:47,330
tell some sort of coding agent exactly what

1757
01:07:47,330 --> 01:07:48,870
I want it to do and just let

1758
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:51,810
it, and just do, do it because I'm

1759
01:07:51,810 --> 01:07:53,670
like, okay, this is a, this script is

1760
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:56,350
going to be a hundred lines long.

1761
01:07:56,350 --> 01:07:58,570
And I just don't want to type all

1762
01:07:58,570 --> 01:08:01,570
that stuff because I've got, I've got 10

1763
01:08:01,570 --> 01:08:03,630
other things I'm doing at all points of

1764
01:08:03,630 --> 01:08:05,510
the day and I just need to get,

1765
01:08:05,710 --> 01:08:07,170
I just need to get X, Y, Z

1766
01:08:07,170 --> 01:08:07,670
done.

1767
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:09,630
And so if I, I'm like, okay, well,

1768
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:12,190
I need to, I need to start taking

1769
01:08:12,190 --> 01:08:15,250
this stuff more seriously and kind of like

1770
01:08:15,250 --> 01:08:17,410
playing with it more so I can knock

1771
01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:18,990
some of these easy things out.

1772
01:08:19,390 --> 01:08:21,149
So I mean, exporting stuff out of a

1773
01:08:21,149 --> 01:08:22,790
database, give me an example.

1774
01:08:23,350 --> 01:08:24,490
I'm trying to help you.

1775
01:08:24,750 --> 01:08:25,109
That's a perfect example.

1776
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:29,010
That's, that's a perfect example that, you know,

1777
01:08:29,050 --> 01:08:30,189
what I want to say is, you know,

1778
01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:34,250
write, write me a PHP script that looks

1779
01:08:34,250 --> 01:08:37,910
like, you know, here, here's a PHP script

1780
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:39,290
that, that I've written.

1781
01:08:39,529 --> 01:08:41,689
Write one that looks that in the coding

1782
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:45,790
style of that, that exports all of the

1783
01:08:45,790 --> 01:08:52,890
feeds out of the database and, and extracts

1784
01:08:52,890 --> 01:08:56,290
the top level domain from the feed URL.

1785
01:08:56,670 --> 01:08:57,310
Man, it doesn't.

1786
01:08:57,450 --> 01:08:58,130
Have you tried that?

1787
01:08:59,130 --> 01:09:00,330
I have not.

1788
01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:01,310
Do it.

1789
01:09:01,950 --> 01:09:02,830
Do it.

1790
01:09:03,529 --> 01:09:06,770
Now, now I have to say, I chose

1791
01:09:06,770 --> 01:09:10,010
Python specifically for two reasons.

1792
01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:12,290
One, because I have written a little bit

1793
01:09:12,290 --> 01:09:13,390
of Python in my life.

1794
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:15,630
So I kind of understand lots of curly

1795
01:09:15,630 --> 01:09:15,990
brackets.

1796
01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:19,290
And the other reason is that I know

1797
01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:21,170
that most of this stuff is built on

1798
01:09:21,170 --> 01:09:21,510
Python.

1799
01:09:21,710 --> 01:09:23,790
Most of these LLMs are, there's a lot

1800
01:09:23,790 --> 01:09:24,630
of Python code.

1801
01:09:24,710 --> 01:09:26,010
So it knows Python.

1802
01:09:26,750 --> 01:09:28,670
I'm sure it does PHP fine.

1803
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:31,010
I mean, what you just said is, is

1804
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:33,410
a perfect prompt, but then I would paste

1805
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:34,609
your example code.

1806
01:09:35,410 --> 01:09:37,130
And when you say in the style of

1807
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:38,410
this, paste it in there.

1808
01:09:39,830 --> 01:09:40,270
Okay.

1809
01:09:40,270 --> 01:09:42,170
Do not here, here's where I learned.

1810
01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:46,569
Do not drag a file with code into

1811
01:09:46,569 --> 01:09:48,590
the box and say, here's the code.

1812
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:50,910
At least it into the prompt.

1813
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:51,170
Yeah.

1814
01:09:51,210 --> 01:09:52,310
I paste it into the prompt.

1815
01:09:52,410 --> 01:09:54,990
If you drag the file in, you'll, you'll

1816
01:09:54,990 --> 01:09:58,790
realize 30 minutes later that I only read

1817
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:59,450
half your file.

1818
01:09:59,530 --> 01:10:00,790
I don't have your whole file.

1819
01:10:00,930 --> 01:10:02,270
You didn't give me a file.

1820
01:10:02,410 --> 01:10:03,690
I didn't see any file.

1821
01:10:03,810 --> 01:10:04,910
You had truncate stuff.

1822
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:06,310
Oh.

1823
01:10:06,430 --> 01:10:08,030
And so like you, you would do like,

1824
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:11,110
here's, here's a script I already wrote like

1825
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:12,810
colon and then paste it in there and

1826
01:10:12,810 --> 01:10:13,670
then continue your prompt.

1827
01:10:13,730 --> 01:10:15,550
Colon, new line, paste.

1828
01:10:15,730 --> 01:10:15,970
Okay.

1829
01:10:16,050 --> 01:10:16,650
New line.

1830
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:17,250
Yeah.

1831
01:10:17,710 --> 01:10:17,930
Yeah.

1832
01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:19,810
Give it, just paste the whole code in

1833
01:10:19,810 --> 01:10:19,990
there.

1834
01:10:20,130 --> 01:10:22,050
It's, it's, it's amazing.

1835
01:10:23,230 --> 01:10:26,150
Today, the only times I've used it is

1836
01:10:26,150 --> 01:10:29,770
for things where, where I'm trying to double

1837
01:10:29,770 --> 01:10:32,390
check if I'm, if I have the right

1838
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:34,130
idea about the structure of something.

1839
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:36,470
So I've said, Oh, you're just doing code

1840
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:36,790
check.

1841
01:10:36,810 --> 01:10:38,170
You're saying, check it and see if this

1842
01:10:38,170 --> 01:10:38,650
is right.

1843
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:40,530
Not even code I've written yet.

1844
01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:42,170
I'll have an idea of something.

1845
01:10:42,230 --> 01:10:45,670
I'll say, you know, write a rust program

1846
01:10:45,670 --> 01:10:49,390
that, that uses fast XML parser to do

1847
01:10:49,390 --> 01:10:51,510
something in such and such a way.

1848
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:53,350
And I'm just trying to see if like,

1849
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:55,710
if it can cut, if that's actually even

1850
01:10:55,710 --> 01:10:58,910
a valid thought process of how to do

1851
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:59,150
it.

1852
01:10:59,470 --> 01:11:02,230
And sometimes it turns, it comes out and

1853
01:11:02,230 --> 01:11:03,350
it's like, yeah, that was right.

1854
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:04,830
It can do it that way.

1855
01:11:05,230 --> 01:11:07,210
That's really the only time I've used it.

1856
01:11:07,290 --> 01:11:08,390
And I haven't, I haven't really gotten into

1857
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:08,930
much else.

1858
01:11:09,050 --> 01:11:10,710
So I, I did an experiment the other

1859
01:11:10,710 --> 01:11:11,010
day.

1860
01:11:11,090 --> 01:11:16,290
I have the web we talked about last

1861
01:11:16,290 --> 01:11:16,570
week.

1862
01:11:17,230 --> 01:11:20,130
The, you can, what is the thing you

1863
01:11:20,130 --> 01:11:22,270
can load an LLM into?

1864
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:26,670
It's called, what is it called?

1865
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:32,530
I'm looking out my, my start nine server.

1866
01:11:32,530 --> 01:11:37,830
It's called, come on, Dave, help me out

1867
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:38,130
here.

1868
01:11:39,130 --> 01:11:41,450
Free, free, free GPT dash two.

1869
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:42,390
Okay.

1870
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:45,970
So, and that's an app and it runs

1871
01:11:45,970 --> 01:11:49,990
on, on my start nine and let me

1872
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:53,950
just open that up and you log in

1873
01:11:53,950 --> 01:11:55,390
and it can get you the most recent

1874
01:11:55,390 --> 01:11:59,090
llama model and whatever other open source models

1875
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:59,630
there are.

1876
01:12:00,190 --> 01:12:03,110
And, and, and this, you know, the start

1877
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:04,910
nine, it's, it's a fine server.

1878
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:07,250
It's certainly more powerful than a Raspberry Pi,

1879
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:09,530
but it's nothing to write home about open

1880
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:10,110
web UI.

1881
01:12:10,270 --> 01:12:10,910
That's what it's called.

1882
01:12:12,030 --> 01:12:12,430
Yeah.

1883
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:13,930
I have a Mac mini running here at

1884
01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:15,250
the house with open web UI on it.

1885
01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:15,630
Right.

1886
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:18,330
And so I did the same process and

1887
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:20,370
it spit back perfectly good code.

1888
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:20,950
Okay.

1889
01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:24,130
It took 18 minutes, but I got the

1890
01:12:24,130 --> 01:12:24,950
code I wanted.

1891
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:26,470
That was impressive.

1892
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:28,150
And that kind of gave me a really

1893
01:12:28,150 --> 01:12:28,750
good feeling.

1894
01:12:28,930 --> 01:12:31,850
Like the future of this stuff, you know,

1895
01:12:31,950 --> 01:12:34,010
is, you know, maybe we just need, I

1896
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:35,670
just need to get an NVIDIA board or

1897
01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:38,590
something or whatever, and then get a, and,

1898
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:40,030
you know, set up a little system at

1899
01:12:40,030 --> 01:12:43,650
home and, you know, and Bob's your uncle.

1900
01:12:44,910 --> 01:12:45,310
Yeah.

1901
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:48,370
But it's, it's funny.

1902
01:12:48,430 --> 01:12:49,970
I wonder what the, I'm not going to

1903
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:50,890
pay for anything.

1904
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:52,650
I'm like, I don't think I'll ever pay

1905
01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:56,030
for something like Grok, but I would, I

1906
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:58,030
would love to run something on my own

1907
01:12:58,030 --> 01:13:00,750
server on this, on this open web UI

1908
01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:01,110
server.

1909
01:13:01,230 --> 01:13:02,550
I mean, like, I wonder what the best

1910
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:05,890
locally hosted Jeep model is like coding model,

1911
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:09,030
maybe Jim Jim, one of those.

1912
01:13:09,210 --> 01:13:10,050
Well, here's what I have.

1913
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:13,310
I have a Lama deep seek and Mistral

1914
01:13:13,310 --> 01:13:14,250
and arena.

1915
01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:17,950
Apparently there's a new one arena, arena, whatever

1916
01:13:17,950 --> 01:13:19,010
that arena model.

1917
01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:20,830
That's what's showing here.

1918
01:13:21,610 --> 01:13:23,690
I haven't actually done anything with deep seek

1919
01:13:23,690 --> 01:13:24,350
with coding.

1920
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:25,690
Yeah.

1921
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:26,570
I haven't used that either.

1922
01:13:28,150 --> 01:13:29,970
He's a cotton gin city was to rent

1923
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:30,270
Claude.

1924
01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:31,370
Look, I mean, is Claude going to be

1925
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:32,030
released open?

1926
01:13:32,150 --> 01:13:33,950
I don't, I thought that was proprietary.

1927
01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:38,730
But I think eventually it wouldn't eventually come

1928
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:40,910
to the point where we can pool enough

1929
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:43,870
of our servers together so that we can

1930
01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:47,030
encode our own model as a, as a

1931
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:47,370
group.

1932
01:13:49,190 --> 01:13:50,670
I've, I've thought about that too.

1933
01:13:50,670 --> 01:13:52,670
Like, I feel like we, I feel like

1934
01:13:52,670 --> 01:13:55,430
a model could be trained on the, the

1935
01:13:55,430 --> 01:14:00,030
index data to do things like weed out

1936
01:14:00,030 --> 01:14:03,250
crap feeds, like, like spam feeds.

1937
01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:04,230
Wouldn't that be beautiful?

1938
01:14:04,970 --> 01:14:05,490
Yeah.

1939
01:14:06,610 --> 01:14:09,950
The, um, I, you know, I, I thought

1940
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:14,010
the other day about, um, one of my

1941
01:14:14,010 --> 01:14:17,410
buddies sent me a write up about open

1942
01:14:17,410 --> 01:14:20,930
AI's CFO and the things she said.

1943
01:14:21,610 --> 01:14:22,710
She says a lot.

1944
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:23,590
Yeah.

1945
01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:24,590
She's a talker.

1946
01:14:25,190 --> 01:14:28,190
Basically saying we, you know, we, we'll never

1947
01:14:28,190 --> 01:14:29,010
have enough money.

1948
01:14:29,230 --> 01:14:31,210
We need, we need all the money ever

1949
01:14:31,210 --> 01:14:31,630
created.

1950
01:14:32,350 --> 01:14:34,250
Print more, Scott Besson.

1951
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:35,030
We need money.

1952
01:14:35,650 --> 01:14:35,930
Yeah.

1953
01:14:36,730 --> 01:14:40,150
And, uh, I was thinking, you know, part,

1954
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:47,230
part of the reason that these, these AI

1955
01:14:47,230 --> 01:14:52,090
companies could be buying so many GPUs is

1956
01:14:52,090 --> 01:14:54,590
simply to drive the price of GPUs up

1957
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:57,290
so high that the, the average consumer can't

1958
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:58,410
get hold of them.

1959
01:14:59,490 --> 01:15:01,470
Because if you got hold of them, you

1960
01:15:01,470 --> 01:15:03,490
would realize very quickly that with a decently

1961
01:15:03,490 --> 01:15:05,470
powerful GPU, you could run some of these

1962
01:15:05,470 --> 01:15:07,110
models yourself and you wouldn't even have to

1963
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:07,710
pay for them.

1964
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:09,390
Hmm.

1965
01:15:09,610 --> 01:15:10,850
That's an interesting thought.

1966
01:15:11,390 --> 01:15:12,390
I'm not, I don't know.

1967
01:15:12,530 --> 01:15:13,950
I mean, if I just want it, let

1968
01:15:13,950 --> 01:15:14,750
me go to Amazon.

1969
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:15,950
Let me see if I can buy an

1970
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:16,610
NVIDIA board.

1971
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:28,350
Uh, NVIDIA, uh, NVIDIA AI GPU.

1972
01:15:29,610 --> 01:15:30,010
Yeah.

1973
01:15:30,370 --> 01:15:31,430
32 gigabyte.

1974
01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:32,070
Let's see.

1975
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:35,170
Oh, wait, here's the 500 GP pocket AI.

1976
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:36,190
I don't know what that is.

1977
01:15:36,350 --> 01:15:36,770
RTX.

1978
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:38,610
What's, what's the high end model, man?

1979
01:15:38,690 --> 01:15:39,170
What's the.

1980
01:15:39,710 --> 01:15:41,510
The 50, 90, I think is the current

1981
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:42,070
high end.

1982
01:15:42,170 --> 01:15:47,070
50, 90, $2,999 delivery, uh, only three

1983
01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:48,410
left in stock by now.

1984
01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:49,470
Well, stocks last.

1985
01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:52,070
I mean, it's three grand.

1986
01:15:52,250 --> 01:15:52,990
Nobody's going to pay.

1987
01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:54,710
Nobody.

1988
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:57,010
But if you had a, if the, if

1989
01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:59,930
the GPU costs weren't so high, if they

1990
01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:03,470
were actually reasonable, they, you could include those

1991
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:06,270
in just normal home PCs and people could

1992
01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:08,170
run stuff locally and you wouldn't need Chad

1993
01:16:08,170 --> 01:16:09,390
GPT or any of those services.

1994
01:16:09,410 --> 01:16:11,490
Well, I was looking at a video, um,

1995
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:16,110
by Antazi, Antazi in tech, who is this

1996
01:16:16,110 --> 01:16:17,170
crazy Russian chick.

1997
01:16:17,230 --> 01:16:18,730
I think listen to her talk before.

1998
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:22,550
What was meant to take weeks stretched into

1999
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:23,010
months.

2000
01:16:23,290 --> 01:16:23,450
Cool.

2001
01:16:23,690 --> 01:16:24,470
And it's still.

2002
01:16:24,610 --> 01:16:25,530
But she's a real person.

2003
01:16:25,550 --> 01:16:26,950
She's actually just talking on camera.

2004
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:31,210
Um, and she's talking about the, um, the

2005
01:16:31,210 --> 01:16:35,750
data center that they're still building in, uh,

2006
01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:38,270
Tyler, Texas, Taylor, Taylor, Texas.

2007
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:38,830
I'm sorry.

2008
01:16:39,610 --> 01:16:42,930
And you know, what happened is, and I'm

2009
01:16:42,930 --> 01:16:44,550
familiar, I know people who live in Taylor.

2010
01:16:44,830 --> 01:16:46,530
So, and it was, uh, what is it?

2011
01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:47,470
Samsung, I think.

2012
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:48,450
No, who is it?

2013
01:16:48,830 --> 01:16:49,810
Forget who it was.

2014
01:16:49,890 --> 01:16:52,210
Um, uh, who was the other chip maker

2015
01:16:52,210 --> 01:16:53,290
anyway?

2016
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:56,030
Uh, so they decided they were going to

2017
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:59,050
build their new fab in Taylor, Texas, which

2018
01:16:59,050 --> 01:17:02,570
really messed up the entire town because everyone

2019
01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:05,530
immediately put their home up for sale, you

2020
01:17:05,530 --> 01:17:07,190
know, cause there was all these people are

2021
01:17:07,190 --> 01:17:08,010
going to move there.

2022
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:11,690
Uh, they, they closed their businesses, the restaurants,

2023
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:12,450
everything closed.

2024
01:17:12,510 --> 01:17:14,170
Everyone's like, this can be a bonanza.

2025
01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:15,650
I'm going to make so much money selling

2026
01:17:15,650 --> 01:17:16,190
my shop.

2027
01:17:16,650 --> 01:17:19,730
Uh, but it's taken like two years now

2028
01:17:19,730 --> 01:17:22,490
because right at the minute that they started

2029
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:24,550
to build this plant, that's when AI took

2030
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:24,810
off.

2031
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:27,790
And so they had to rebuild this entire

2032
01:17:27,790 --> 01:17:32,470
plant, uh, to build these two nanometer, uh,

2033
01:17:32,730 --> 01:17:33,510
uh, chips.

2034
01:17:33,690 --> 01:17:37,430
Now with two nanometer, I mean, this is

2035
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:41,010
such precision laser work that you need, they,

2036
01:17:41,150 --> 01:17:45,930
they basically built five New York length skyscrapers

2037
01:17:45,930 --> 01:17:48,770
down into the ground to create a stable

2038
01:17:48,770 --> 01:17:51,090
environment because the building cannot, they can't be

2039
01:17:51,090 --> 01:17:52,790
the slightest rumble or anything.

2040
01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:56,630
They built an air purification system that is

2041
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:58,030
five football fields.

2042
01:17:59,010 --> 01:17:59,470
Good grief.

2043
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:59,930
Oh yeah.

2044
01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:02,250
And it's all, it's all to build AI

2045
01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:02,690
chips.

2046
01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:05,630
So the investment that is going in to

2047
01:18:05,630 --> 01:18:07,650
this, that is enormous.

2048
01:18:07,930 --> 01:18:10,790
So it's no, it's actually not 2000, 3000

2049
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:11,290
bucks.

2050
01:18:11,370 --> 01:18:13,990
Actually amazing that it's that cheap when you

2051
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:16,130
think about all the investment that's gone into

2052
01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:16,510
this.

2053
01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:20,850
Um, so I understand those prices, but eventually,

2054
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:22,810
eventually that will come down.

2055
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:24,490
The power, huh?

2056
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:26,910
They built their own power plant, water.

2057
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:31,130
They built their own water purification plant and

2058
01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:32,150
recycling plant.

2059
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:33,930
And at the end of it, what do

2060
01:18:33,930 --> 01:18:34,310
we get?

2061
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:36,510
We get people that make deep fake porn.

2062
01:18:36,850 --> 01:18:37,210
You get this.

2063
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:38,290
Hi Dave.

2064
01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:38,850
There you go.

2065
01:18:38,990 --> 01:18:39,650
Thank you.

2066
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:43,110
For billions and billions and billions of dollars.

2067
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:44,750
It's over a trillion dollars now.

2068
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:46,130
Trillions of dollars.

2069
01:18:47,050 --> 01:18:49,310
But people can make 30 second porn videos.

2070
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:49,690
Yeah.

2071
01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:51,790
But I'm, I'm thinking, you know, eventually I

2072
01:18:51,790 --> 01:18:53,990
might even splurge and just get one of

2073
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:54,330
these.

2074
01:18:54,750 --> 01:18:56,430
You know, I'm not sure what kind of

2075
01:18:56,430 --> 01:18:57,750
box I need to put it into.

2076
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:58,570
I'm not even sure.

2077
01:18:58,810 --> 01:19:00,350
I've never built a PC.

2078
01:19:01,510 --> 01:19:04,150
The CPU is probably, I mean, that's any,

2079
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:06,930
just any decent modern CPU is fine.

2080
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:07,350
You don't need.

2081
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:07,870
Yeah.

2082
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:10,530
But an enclosure, I mean, will it, will

2083
01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:12,070
it fit in the, in the box that

2084
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:12,350
I have?

2085
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:12,650
Oh yeah.

2086
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:15,330
I mean, you just get, just get a

2087
01:19:15,330 --> 01:19:17,550
ATX, anything ATX form factor will fit it.

2088
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:20,480
Yeah.

2089
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,840
So, you know, because running this at home,

2090
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:25,280
that might actually be pretty cool.

2091
01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:27,060
I mean, I am paying money, the 11

2092
01:19:27,060 --> 01:19:27,520
labs.

2093
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:29,260
I mean, I'm paying real money for that.

2094
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,300
I mean, amortize that out over a few

2095
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:33,860
years and then build your PC and save

2096
01:19:33,860 --> 01:19:35,160
and run it yourself.

2097
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:35,680
Yeah.

2098
01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:37,100
And it just seems more fun.

2099
01:19:37,260 --> 01:19:38,820
Now, of course, the question is, can I,

2100
01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:40,340
can I train anything?

2101
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:42,500
And that I think is a whole different

2102
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:43,180
ball of wax.

2103
01:19:43,180 --> 01:19:46,020
I mean, that seems to building a model

2104
01:19:46,020 --> 01:19:47,740
seems to be very, very expensive.

2105
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:49,160
Yeah.

2106
01:19:49,460 --> 01:19:51,360
And I'm, I just don't know enough about

2107
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:51,660
it.

2108
01:19:51,980 --> 01:19:53,140
I agree with Darren.

2109
01:19:53,220 --> 01:19:54,880
How have you never built a PC?

2110
01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:57,100
I was a Mac guy.

2111
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,080
I, my, my.

2112
01:19:59,240 --> 01:19:59,500
Yeah.

2113
01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:00,140
Yeah.

2114
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:01,920
I wait, you, you wait, you wasted so

2115
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:02,740
many years on the Mac.

2116
01:20:02,740 --> 01:20:03,860
You're telling me.

2117
01:20:04,860 --> 01:20:05,300
Dude.

2118
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,500
You could be, you should be running a

2119
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:10,560
rig with like, uh, Arch Linux on it

2120
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:11,320
or something right now.

2121
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,660
It is, it is, it's really sad.

2122
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:14,460
It really is.

2123
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:15,840
But you know, I, as I said, it

2124
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:16,980
was 10, 11 years ago.

2125
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,580
I gave up a Mac entirely that was

2126
01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:21,400
disgusted by what they had done.

2127
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,340
And this is right after they screwed up,

2128
01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:25,020
uh, Final Cut Pro.

2129
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,060
You know, they went from Final Cut Pro

2130
01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:29,620
7 to 10 or X, whatever, and just

2131
01:20:29,620 --> 01:20:30,740
sucked balls.

2132
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:32,020
It was so bad.

2133
01:20:32,060 --> 01:20:34,580
Then they had lightning and then, you know,

2134
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,120
lightning screwed up with, um, Thunderbolt.

2135
01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:41,860
All these, all these formats that were incompatible,

2136
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:42,940
just all sucked.

2137
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,180
And so that's when I went to, uh,

2138
01:20:45,180 --> 01:20:45,800
to Windows.

2139
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,180
And really just, I mean, I only use

2140
01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:49,220
Windows for the apps.

2141
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:50,640
I mean, everything else in my life is

2142
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:50,940
Linux.

2143
01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:53,500
And again, no need to email me and

2144
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:55,540
tell me that my Roadcaster will work on

2145
01:20:55,540 --> 01:20:55,820
Linux.

2146
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:56,640
It won't.

2147
01:20:57,020 --> 01:20:57,800
It won't.

2148
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,500
See Dave Jones.

2149
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:00,500
Right.

2150
01:21:00,740 --> 01:21:02,100
I can, I can attest to that.

2151
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:03,040
It really won't.

2152
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:03,840
It really won't.

2153
01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:05,440
That's because they won't make drivers.

2154
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:05,960
Okay.

2155
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,060
I get it.

2156
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:07,860
I get it, kids.

2157
01:21:07,860 --> 01:21:08,440
That's fine.

2158
01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:12,340
Um, but yeah, I mean, my world is,

2159
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:12,980
is Linux.

2160
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:14,220
Otherwise it's everything.

2161
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,180
I mean, I'm, I'm in command line.

2162
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:17,980
I love command line.

2163
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,380
You just need to throw your mouse in

2164
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:22,120
the trash and use one of those keyboard

2165
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,440
only Linux distros.

2166
01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:26,880
But again, if it would connect to my,

2167
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:28,600
uh, to my Roadcaster, I would.

2168
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,220
No, I mean, I don't, I don't mean

2169
01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:31,340
for your, for the show.

2170
01:21:31,380 --> 01:21:32,260
I just mean for like.

2171
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,300
Do you know how long I've been using

2172
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:34,660
MUT?

2173
01:21:35,340 --> 01:21:37,820
I still have MUT scripts running somewhere on

2174
01:21:37,820 --> 01:21:38,480
some server.

2175
01:21:39,220 --> 01:21:40,620
Why do you even have a mouse?

2176
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:43,520
Isobot.

2177
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,240
You don't even, I mean, if you're using

2178
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,980
MUT, you're, you're, you've already, you've already bypassed

2179
01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:51,940
the mouse years ago.

2180
01:21:53,660 --> 01:21:57,320
And, uh, so, you know, this is a

2181
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:57,940
funny example.

2182
01:21:58,460 --> 01:22:03,280
Uh, so when I got mail bombed, uh,

2183
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,100
about five years ago, right around, right around

2184
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:09,520
Christmas, and someone spent some actual money.

2185
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:14,680
Uh, to subscribe me to thousands of newsletters

2186
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:15,800
and all kinds of stuff.

2187
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,460
And, uh, which is, you know, my adamantcurry

2188
01:22:19,460 --> 01:22:21,740
.com has just ruined the idea of me

2189
01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:24,780
receiving a newsletter forever because anything that has

2190
01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:27,660
the word newsletter or unsubscribe in it goes

2191
01:22:27,660 --> 01:22:28,800
to a newsletter box.

2192
01:22:28,940 --> 01:22:30,940
But for that, I, I have, I use

2193
01:22:30,940 --> 01:22:34,440
IMAP filter, which is a very simple script.

2194
01:22:35,380 --> 01:22:37,240
Um, I think it's, it may even be

2195
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:37,620
a show.

2196
01:22:38,260 --> 01:22:40,000
I should take a look and see exactly

2197
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:40,480
what it is.

2198
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:41,500
I haven't looked at it in years.

2199
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,460
It runs on a five, a $5 Linode.

2200
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,000
Um, let me take a look.

2201
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:52,020
Uh, and I remember you sent me a

2202
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:54,200
screenshot of your inbox the day that you

2203
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,120
got mail bombed and it was like, I

2204
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:56,760
was bad.

2205
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:59,460
Tens of thousands of emails.

2206
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,000
Yeah, it was really, it was really, really

2207
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:02,320
bad.

2208
01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:03,400
Let me just see if I can get

2209
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:03,800
in here.

2210
01:23:04,540 --> 01:23:04,900
Yeah.

2211
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,770
Uh, let me just see what this is.

2212
01:23:10,810 --> 01:23:12,170
Oh yeah, here we go.

2213
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:16,650
Okay.

2214
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:26,150
So it's wait a sec.

2215
01:23:27,170 --> 01:23:27,910
Here we go.

2216
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:31,010
Um, I don't even know what this is.

2217
01:23:32,670 --> 01:23:33,150
What?

2218
01:23:35,410 --> 01:23:36,350
It's a binary.

2219
01:23:36,650 --> 01:23:37,310
Are you trying to get into your IMAP

2220
01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:37,430
filter?

2221
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:37,650
Yeah.

2222
01:23:37,710 --> 01:23:37,850
Yeah.

2223
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:39,070
No, it's actually a binary.

2224
01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:39,810
There you go.

2225
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:40,750
IMAP filter.

2226
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:41,730
It's a binary.

2227
01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:43,290
I should take a look at that.

2228
01:23:45,070 --> 01:23:49,210
Uh, user bin IMAP filter.

2229
01:23:49,710 --> 01:23:50,070
Oh yeah.

2230
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:51,190
It's very binary.

2231
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:53,270
Woo.

2232
01:23:54,910 --> 01:23:55,870
I did.

2233
01:23:55,870 --> 01:23:56,430
I did.

2234
01:23:56,610 --> 01:23:57,730
I cat all over the screen.

2235
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:59,470
Oh man, I'm dizzy.

2236
01:23:59,610 --> 01:24:00,250
I'm dizzy now.

2237
01:24:00,610 --> 01:24:03,250
That's always followed up with a reset command

2238
01:24:03,250 --> 01:24:03,710
on the terminal.

2239
01:24:05,170 --> 01:24:07,510
So, um, yeah, and it's a very simple,

2240
01:24:07,790 --> 01:24:10,530
uh, it takes a very simple config script

2241
01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:13,110
and it just goes through my email every

2242
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:15,470
couple of minutes and just sorts everything out.

2243
01:24:15,650 --> 01:24:17,190
So I can literally be looking at my

2244
01:24:17,190 --> 01:24:18,730
inbox and which I do a lot.

2245
01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:19,430
I'm looking at the inbox.

2246
01:24:19,550 --> 01:24:21,830
Now there's something, you know, buy this wine

2247
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:22,190
now.

2248
01:24:22,290 --> 01:24:23,470
I'm like, okay, I could click on it

2249
01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:25,370
if I want to, or just wait a

2250
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:26,750
minute and it goes away and it's in

2251
01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:28,970
the, it's in the, uh, and there's a

2252
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:31,030
couple of other people who have special mailboxes.

2253
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:32,990
There's a couple of people in my life

2254
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:35,990
who like to email me, uh, 15, 20

2255
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:36,930
things a day.

2256
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:39,510
And I love these people.

2257
01:24:39,670 --> 01:24:40,830
They have a dedicated bucket.

2258
01:24:40,990 --> 01:24:41,590
Yeah, they do.

2259
01:24:41,690 --> 01:24:43,630
But the thing is there's out of the

2260
01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:45,910
15 or 20, there's always one gem.

2261
01:24:46,210 --> 01:24:47,830
So on show days I go in and

2262
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:49,470
I go through everything and let me see

2263
01:24:49,470 --> 01:24:50,370
what's going on here.

2264
01:24:50,450 --> 01:24:50,890
Oh, okay.

2265
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:51,630
Yeah, that's good.

2266
01:24:52,570 --> 01:24:54,950
So, but yeah, so my life has been

2267
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:57,890
more command line than anything, but the mouse

2268
01:24:57,890 --> 01:24:58,970
is handy for some stuff.

2269
01:24:59,150 --> 01:24:59,290
Yeah.

2270
01:24:59,290 --> 01:25:00,670
You need to build your own machine.

2271
01:25:00,830 --> 01:25:01,670
You just have to.

2272
01:25:02,290 --> 01:25:02,690
Okay.

2273
01:25:02,810 --> 01:25:05,230
You got, you got to, it's you, you

2274
01:25:05,230 --> 01:25:06,890
would have so, and you, and plus you

2275
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:08,070
would just have so much fun.

2276
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:12,090
I'm going to ask for, um, uh, an

2277
01:25:12,090 --> 01:25:13,830
NVIDIA GPU for Christmas.

2278
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:15,630
That will be my Christmas gift.

2279
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:17,590
That will be my, that will be my

2280
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:18,350
Christmas gift.

2281
01:25:18,710 --> 01:25:19,010
Yes.

2282
01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:20,650
Yes, indeed.

2283
01:25:21,210 --> 01:25:22,250
You want to thank some people?

2284
01:25:22,850 --> 01:25:23,150
Yeah.

2285
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:24,590
Um, let me take a look.

2286
01:25:24,630 --> 01:25:26,410
What I have here on what has come

2287
01:25:26,410 --> 01:25:28,910
in on the boost bot, uh, during the

2288
01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:31,490
show or come in on the helipad is,

2289
01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:33,610
uh, certainly break 22,000 to 22.

2290
01:25:33,710 --> 01:25:34,450
I'll read this note again.

2291
01:25:34,450 --> 01:25:36,310
Good to see stuff being worked on reboost

2292
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:37,550
the grams in the masto today.

2293
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:39,850
I'm confident that Oscar Steven B.

2294
01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:40,690
Alex at all.

2295
01:25:40,750 --> 01:25:42,110
We'll come up with some great solution.

2296
01:25:42,210 --> 01:25:43,470
Alex has met a boost proposal.

2297
01:25:43,570 --> 01:25:46,230
Seems interesting to me, by the way, V4Vmusic

2298
01:25:46,230 --> 01:25:46,770
.com.

2299
01:25:46,810 --> 01:25:47,130
Yes.

2300
01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:48,810
And you know what?

2301
01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:52,310
It is wonderful to see this activity taking

2302
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:53,390
place in the masto.

2303
01:25:53,950 --> 01:25:55,730
Salty crayon, 1775.

2304
01:25:55,930 --> 01:25:56,490
Howdy boardroom.

2305
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:59,270
Got 250 crayon flavors to try on Monday.

2306
01:25:59,670 --> 01:26:02,070
Semper Fi to Frischhunden.

2307
01:26:03,810 --> 01:26:04,850
To Frischhunden.

2308
01:26:06,150 --> 01:26:08,810
Uh, we've got one, two, one, one, two,

2309
01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:10,010
three from Lyceum.

2310
01:26:10,110 --> 01:26:12,510
That is of course, uh, Oystein Berger, who

2311
01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:14,030
will be up next after the board meeting.

2312
01:26:14,110 --> 01:26:16,030
I like Chad F's comment on giving shout

2313
01:26:16,030 --> 01:26:17,990
out messages to listeners streaming sats.

2314
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:20,430
Oystein Berger of Mutton Meat and Music is

2315
01:26:20,430 --> 01:26:21,330
very good at this.

2316
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:24,670
Here are 1123 Satoshis as, at the, as

2317
01:26:24,670 --> 01:26:26,710
the start of the Fibonacci sequence.

2318
01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:27,230
Yes.

2319
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:28,090
Very nice.

2320
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:30,950
We got a thousand sats in a test

2321
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:32,150
boost from Oscar Mary.

2322
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:32,650
Twice.

2323
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:33,490
Test boost two.

2324
01:26:33,650 --> 01:26:33,990
Got it.

2325
01:26:34,110 --> 01:26:34,710
Creepy eyes.

2326
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:36,270
And a third one.

2327
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:36,830
So, wow.

2328
01:26:36,890 --> 01:26:39,490
We got, uh, like, uh, 3,000 sats

2329
01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:39,650
there.

2330
01:26:39,670 --> 01:26:40,230
Thank you, Oscar.

2331
01:26:40,990 --> 01:26:43,690
Uh, and then I hit the, uh, delimiter

2332
01:26:43,690 --> 01:26:45,910
after I read this one quickie.

2333
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:49,050
Just came in from Dreb Scott, 12,345.

2334
01:26:49,190 --> 01:26:50,030
One, two, three, four, five.

2335
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:52,430
And he just says, go podcasting.

2336
01:26:52,630 --> 01:26:53,210
So thank you.

2337
01:26:53,310 --> 01:26:56,950
Uh, we got some PayPal's here.

2338
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:57,770
These are all mixed in.

2339
01:26:57,790 --> 01:26:58,810
Cause I didn't have time to print them

2340
01:26:58,810 --> 01:26:59,710
as Kevin Bay.

2341
01:26:59,990 --> 01:27:00,350
$5.

2342
01:27:00,550 --> 01:27:01,090
Thank you, Kevin.

2343
01:27:01,770 --> 01:27:02,410
Love that.

2344
01:27:02,510 --> 01:27:03,790
Cameron Rose, $25.

2345
01:27:04,130 --> 01:27:04,650
Thank you, Cameron.

2346
01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:05,790
Cameron's been around forever.

2347
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:07,190
Appreciate that.

2348
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:09,690
Podpage also $25.

2349
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:11,750
That's Brendan and the girls and boys of

2350
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:11,990
Podpage.

2351
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:12,870
Guys stepping up.

2352
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:13,290
Thank you.

2353
01:27:13,330 --> 01:27:13,750
Thank you.

2354
01:27:13,850 --> 01:27:15,410
Did they change their name to something?

2355
01:27:16,050 --> 01:27:17,390
Or is it still just Podpage?

2356
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:17,970
Did they?

2357
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:21,210
I want to say they did a redesign

2358
01:27:21,210 --> 01:27:21,690
or something.

2359
01:27:21,850 --> 01:27:22,330
I don't know.

2360
01:27:22,330 --> 01:27:23,130
Well, hold on a second.

2361
01:27:23,150 --> 01:27:24,870
Cause I'm a Podpage customer.

2362
01:27:25,070 --> 01:27:26,310
I would think I would know that.

2363
01:27:26,530 --> 01:27:26,950
Hold on a second.

2364
01:27:27,170 --> 01:27:29,150
I hope I'm not making that up.

2365
01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:30,930
No, it's still Podpage.

2366
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:32,130
As far as I can tell.

2367
01:27:32,170 --> 01:27:33,630
The podcast website builder.

2368
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:34,830
No, it's still Podpage.

2369
01:27:35,890 --> 01:27:36,190
Okay.

2370
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:37,090
I don't know where I got that.

2371
01:27:37,890 --> 01:27:39,370
Oh, Martin Lindeskog at New Media.

2372
01:27:39,810 --> 01:27:40,330
Uh, $1.

2373
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:41,150
Thank you, Mark.

2374
01:27:41,210 --> 01:27:41,670
Thank you, Mark.

2375
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:42,470
Mark Graham.

2376
01:27:43,410 --> 01:27:43,770
$1.

2377
01:27:44,150 --> 01:27:44,950
Thank you, Mark.

2378
01:27:45,670 --> 01:27:48,330
$10 from Eugene.

2379
01:27:48,450 --> 01:27:49,330
Eugene Chey.

2380
01:27:50,290 --> 01:27:51,310
I hope that's how you pronounce it.

2381
01:27:51,370 --> 01:27:52,210
C-H-A-E.

2382
01:27:52,570 --> 01:27:54,810
I'm going to say Eugene Chey.

2383
01:27:55,850 --> 01:27:56,670
Thank you, Eugene.

2384
01:27:56,850 --> 01:27:57,410
Appreciate that.

2385
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:59,090
That's a one-time donation.

2386
01:27:59,970 --> 01:28:01,130
And Joseph Marocca, $5.

2387
01:28:01,430 --> 01:28:01,990
Thank you, Joseph.

2388
01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:04,250
Oscar Mary, $200.

2389
01:28:05,190 --> 01:28:06,910
Hold on a second, baby.

2390
01:28:11,770 --> 01:28:12,610
Thank you.

2391
01:28:12,730 --> 01:28:13,270
Beautiful.

2392
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:14,010
Beautiful.

2393
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:17,210
$200 and a proposal in the same day.

2394
01:28:17,390 --> 01:28:18,010
Oh, man.

2395
01:28:18,050 --> 01:28:19,350
Doesn't get any better than that.

2396
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:20,710
Keeping the system running, brother.

2397
01:28:20,810 --> 01:28:21,310
Thank you.

2398
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:25,750
Uh, Dave Jackson from the School of Podcasting.

2399
01:28:26,530 --> 01:28:29,030
Uh, sent us $25 and he says, can't

2400
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:31,130
let the incoming go below the outgoing.

2401
01:28:31,130 --> 01:28:31,910
Dave Jackson.

2402
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:33,770
Thank you, Dave.

2403
01:28:33,870 --> 01:28:34,450
How much?

2404
01:28:35,530 --> 01:28:36,010
$25.

2405
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:37,070
Thank you, brother.

2406
01:28:37,190 --> 01:28:38,430
This is people stepping up.

2407
01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:39,070
Very nice.

2408
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:39,610
Yeah.

2409
01:28:39,890 --> 01:28:40,170
Yep.

2410
01:28:40,250 --> 01:28:41,170
Say, uh, let's see.

2411
01:28:41,230 --> 01:28:42,630
Say they're saving the cash flow.

2412
01:28:42,810 --> 01:28:43,370
Yeah, they are.

2413
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:47,390
Uh, post, uh, see, we've got some boosts.

2414
01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:49,130
Post water Malone's.

2415
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:53,330
It's watermelon, but with an ES.

2416
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:54,930
Post Malone watermelon.

2417
01:28:55,210 --> 01:28:55,610
I like it.

2418
01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:55,790
Yeah.

2419
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:56,990
Post water Malone's.

2420
01:28:57,090 --> 01:28:57,390
That's good.

2421
01:28:57,550 --> 01:28:57,950
I like that.

2422
01:28:58,050 --> 01:28:59,730
3,500 sats through fountain.

2423
01:28:59,890 --> 01:29:01,530
He says, all the sats on my fountain

2424
01:29:01,530 --> 01:29:01,810
app.

2425
01:29:02,050 --> 01:29:02,370
Whoa.

2426
01:29:02,590 --> 01:29:03,590
Oh, you just drained it.

2427
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:04,050
Drained it.

2428
01:29:04,150 --> 01:29:04,850
Wallet drained.

2429
01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:05,350
Drained it dry.

2430
01:29:05,550 --> 01:29:05,770
Yeah.

2431
01:29:06,930 --> 01:29:07,690
Let's see.

2432
01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:11,170
Uh, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck through podcast

2433
01:29:11,170 --> 01:29:13,030
guru says, make the changes.

2434
01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:15,270
We as podcasters and listeners will have to

2435
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:17,150
adapt some pain at first, but growth for

2436
01:29:17,150 --> 01:29:17,330
sure.

2437
01:29:18,050 --> 01:29:18,490
73s.

2438
01:29:19,090 --> 01:29:19,530
73s.

2439
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:20,870
Lyceum.

2440
01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:22,130
Let's see.

2441
01:29:22,210 --> 01:29:24,270
I like Chad F's comment on giving shout

2442
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:26,210
out messages to listeners at streaming sats.

2443
01:29:27,250 --> 01:29:30,070
Uh, Boise Barrow of mutton, meat and music

2444
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:32,050
is very good at this.

2445
01:29:32,170 --> 01:29:34,910
Here are 1,123 Satoshis as the start

2446
01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:36,130
of the Fibonacci sequence.

2447
01:29:36,290 --> 01:29:36,390
Yeah.

2448
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:37,450
That's the one I just read.

2449
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:37,950
I think.

2450
01:29:38,990 --> 01:29:40,970
No, I thought you read the one about,

2451
01:29:41,290 --> 01:29:41,390
uh.

2452
01:29:41,390 --> 01:29:42,710
No, no, that's the one.

2453
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:44,230
I wasn't paying attention.

2454
01:29:44,410 --> 01:29:46,150
I have a 10 minute memory though.

2455
01:29:46,770 --> 01:29:46,990
Yeah.

2456
01:29:47,170 --> 01:29:48,130
You got a buffer.

2457
01:29:48,370 --> 01:29:49,430
That's my buffer.

2458
01:29:50,130 --> 01:29:50,610
Yeah.

2459
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:52,850
Well, it was such a good boost.

2460
01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:53,450
I read it again.

2461
01:29:54,210 --> 01:29:57,850
And the delimiter 15015 through, uh, for chemistry

2462
01:29:57,850 --> 01:30:00,190
blogger through fountain.

2463
01:30:00,670 --> 01:30:03,230
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

2464
01:30:04,150 --> 01:30:04,630
Today.

2465
01:30:04,750 --> 01:30:07,170
I would like to thank Bumi from www

2466
01:30:07,170 --> 01:30:10,790
.getalby.com for his help in the area

2467
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:13,890
of Albie hub to my friend from Alaska

2468
01:30:13,890 --> 01:30:15,930
fellow Pomeranian lover.

2469
01:30:16,250 --> 01:30:19,770
Lady Vox can be found on Twitter slash

2470
01:30:19,770 --> 01:30:23,550
X at, at Bumi and on Fediverse at,

2471
01:30:23,630 --> 01:30:26,590
at Bumi at cosmos dot social.

2472
01:30:26,810 --> 01:30:28,110
Thank you very much.

2473
01:30:28,210 --> 01:30:28,570
Bumi.

2474
01:30:29,090 --> 01:30:30,330
Yo, CSB.

2475
01:30:30,710 --> 01:30:31,730
Oh, beautiful.

2476
01:30:31,870 --> 01:30:32,470
CSB.

2477
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:35,790
So, you know, he yells, he rants, he

2478
01:30:35,790 --> 01:30:38,210
raves, but then he, he, he's sweet.

2479
01:30:39,290 --> 01:30:40,910
There was a lot of ranting and raving

2480
01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:41,370
at Bumi.

2481
01:30:43,370 --> 01:30:45,490
You know, I have known comics are longer

2482
01:30:45,490 --> 01:30:48,630
for so long, longer than two of my

2483
01:30:48,630 --> 01:30:49,450
wives actually.

2484
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:53,710
And, um, and that's just who he is.

2485
01:30:54,170 --> 01:30:55,630
You know, it's just how he talks.

2486
01:30:56,430 --> 01:30:59,430
And, and I love that our group, cause

2487
01:30:59,430 --> 01:31:01,810
he's been kicked out of so many groups.

2488
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:05,150
I mean, I, I, I'm sure he would

2489
01:31:05,150 --> 01:31:06,630
hate for me to go into his history.

2490
01:31:06,630 --> 01:31:09,610
He's been kicked out of conferences just for

2491
01:31:09,610 --> 01:31:13,250
being him and for asking the questions that

2492
01:31:13,250 --> 01:31:15,130
he has the way he asks them.

2493
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:19,750
And I love that our group still loves

2494
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:20,070
him.

2495
01:31:20,570 --> 01:31:21,270
You know what I mean?

2496
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:23,310
It's like he fits in somehow.

2497
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:25,230
It says a lot about us.

2498
01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:26,490
It really does.

2499
01:31:26,590 --> 01:31:28,370
I'm, I'm very, I'm very pleased to see

2500
01:31:28,370 --> 01:31:31,170
that he has a home in our ragtag

2501
01:31:31,170 --> 01:31:34,290
orchestra of monkey of, uh, uh, RSS, not

2502
01:31:34,290 --> 01:31:34,730
jobs.

2503
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:38,270
I think this group really has the ability

2504
01:31:38,270 --> 01:31:40,430
to let people just be who they are

2505
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:42,210
and move on and just pay attention to

2506
01:31:42,210 --> 01:31:42,710
the content.

2507
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:44,570
We might rant, rant a little bit with

2508
01:31:44,570 --> 01:31:46,610
each other, but then we do, we do,

2509
01:31:46,730 --> 01:31:47,730
yeah, we do move on.

2510
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:48,930
We just like, okay, I'm just going to

2511
01:31:48,930 --> 01:31:49,250
move on.

2512
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:49,690
That's fine.

2513
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:50,130
Yeah.

2514
01:31:50,130 --> 01:31:51,190
You get it out of your system.

2515
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:51,610
Yeah.

2516
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:53,070
You hit the reset button.

2517
01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:53,610
We're good.

2518
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:54,310
We're good.

2519
01:31:55,130 --> 01:31:56,430
RSS, no jobs.com.

2520
01:31:56,570 --> 01:31:56,870
Yes.

2521
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:58,350
Ooh, hold on a second.

2522
01:31:58,470 --> 01:32:01,730
Hey, hold on a second.

2523
01:32:02,350 --> 01:32:02,510
Yes.

2524
01:32:02,510 --> 01:32:04,210
RSS not.

2525
01:32:04,370 --> 01:32:05,570
I'm wasting your money.

2526
01:32:06,370 --> 01:32:08,510
This is a not jobs.com.

2527
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:10,050
This is a good one.

2528
01:32:10,210 --> 01:32:11,010
Let me add it.

2529
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:12,550
Boom, boom, boom.

2530
01:32:12,690 --> 01:32:13,970
Shaka, laka, boom, boom.

2531
01:32:14,130 --> 01:32:15,270
Yes, I got it.

2532
01:32:17,130 --> 01:32:18,670
20 bucks down the drain.

2533
01:32:18,930 --> 01:32:20,990
Some people go to the boat and gamble.

2534
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:24,910
I buy domain names, RSS, not jobs.com.

2535
01:32:25,070 --> 01:32:26,530
Where will I send it?

2536
01:32:26,670 --> 01:32:28,050
Where would I send it?

2537
01:32:28,090 --> 01:32:29,390
I can't wait to find out.

2538
01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:33,970
This show is costing me.

2539
01:32:34,030 --> 01:32:36,030
This whole project is costing me money.

2540
01:32:36,750 --> 01:32:38,670
Oh, yes, it is.

2541
01:32:38,970 --> 01:32:41,590
You are your own worst enemy in that

2542
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:41,930
regard.

2543
01:32:42,190 --> 01:32:44,670
I have to save you money constantly.

2544
01:32:44,890 --> 01:32:45,830
Oh, this is interesting.

2545
01:32:46,130 --> 01:32:47,530
Something went wrong, but don't worry.

2546
01:32:47,610 --> 01:32:49,930
I'm fixing to uncover why this panda is

2547
01:32:49,930 --> 01:32:50,670
so sad.

2548
01:32:51,090 --> 01:32:51,330
What?

2549
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:51,970
What?

2550
01:32:52,670 --> 01:32:53,970
Was this on Namecheap?

2551
01:32:54,410 --> 01:32:55,930
No, DN Simple.

2552
01:32:56,410 --> 01:32:57,210
DN Simple?

2553
01:32:57,490 --> 01:32:58,150
Let me try that again.

2554
01:32:59,610 --> 01:33:01,810
What a bizarre error message.

2555
01:33:01,810 --> 01:33:03,630
It has a picture of a panda.

2556
01:33:04,970 --> 01:33:06,450
That's completely unhelpful.

2557
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:08,890
Well, no, it said something went wrong.

2558
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:11,090
This sad panda is going to take care

2559
01:33:11,090 --> 01:33:11,390
of it.

2560
01:33:11,650 --> 01:33:11,830
Boom.

2561
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:12,690
Okay, I got it.

2562
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:13,970
Oh, I got confetti.

2563
01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:14,850
Nice.

2564
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:16,910
Feel good now.

2565
01:33:17,050 --> 01:33:17,430
Feel good.

2566
01:33:17,490 --> 01:33:18,030
I got confetti.

2567
01:33:19,450 --> 01:33:20,250
Pandering software.

2568
01:33:20,530 --> 01:33:20,810
Yes.

2569
01:33:20,890 --> 01:33:22,490
Did we have any monthlies?

2570
01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:23,370
Did we get everything?

2571
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:24,230
Is everything done?

2572
01:33:24,250 --> 01:33:25,630
Yeah, that was everything wrapped up.

2573
01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:28,130
That's why I read the same boost twice,

2574
01:33:28,170 --> 01:33:30,210
because I was trying to reorient myself in

2575
01:33:30,210 --> 01:33:30,710
my mailbox.

2576
01:33:31,310 --> 01:33:33,690
So, Dave, I think, I don't know what

2577
01:33:33,690 --> 01:33:35,930
your plans are this weekend, but...

2578
01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:38,330
Tomorrow, I'm going to Atlanta.

2579
01:33:38,710 --> 01:33:39,750
Oh, what are you doing in Atlanta?

2580
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:41,850
Another rock climbing competition.

2581
01:33:42,210 --> 01:33:45,510
Every week and for the entire month of

2582
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:45,830
November.

2583
01:33:46,010 --> 01:33:46,230
Okay.

2584
01:33:46,410 --> 01:33:48,750
Well, I'm hoping that you'll have some time

2585
01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:51,510
to try out some of Adam Curry's vibe

2586
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:52,390
coding tips.

2587
01:33:54,430 --> 01:33:55,370
Come on, man.

2588
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:56,370
Come on.

2589
01:33:56,730 --> 01:33:57,350
Give it a shot.

2590
01:33:57,570 --> 01:34:00,650
I'm going to read the transcripts and I'm

2591
01:34:00,650 --> 01:34:01,650
going to follow the tips.

2592
01:34:01,850 --> 01:34:01,950
Yes.

2593
01:34:02,010 --> 01:34:03,250
Read the transcript on your...

2594
01:34:03,250 --> 01:34:04,470
You're driving, I'm sure, right?

2595
01:34:05,150 --> 01:34:05,430
Yeah.

2596
01:34:06,450 --> 01:34:09,750
I'll read the transcript and then I'll deploy

2597
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:10,550
tips.

2598
01:34:11,790 --> 01:34:12,150
Okay.

2599
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:13,790
All right, brother.

2600
01:34:13,890 --> 01:34:15,110
Have yourself a great weekend.

2601
01:34:15,850 --> 01:34:16,290
All right, man.

2602
01:34:16,290 --> 01:34:16,570
You too.

2603
01:34:16,730 --> 01:34:17,010
Okay.

2604
01:34:17,130 --> 01:34:17,730
Hey, boardroom.

2605
01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:19,230
Thank you very much for being here with

2606
01:34:19,230 --> 01:34:19,390
us.

2607
01:34:19,470 --> 01:34:20,470
We are moving forward.

2608
01:34:20,590 --> 01:34:23,230
We are making history, changing the world.

2609
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:24,190
Don't you feel good?

2610
01:34:24,530 --> 01:34:26,270
We'll see you next week on 2.0.

2611
01:34:39,730 --> 01:34:41,390
That guy's so cool.

2612
01:34:42,190 --> 01:34:46,410
You have been listening to Podcasting 2.0.

2613
01:34:46,530 --> 01:34:50,170
Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2614
01:34:50,570 --> 01:34:52,010
Go podcasting!

2615
01:34:52,130 --> 01:34:53,910
Why do you even have a mouse?

2616
01:34:54,010 --> 01:34:54,950
Hi, Dave.