Episode 242: Poddy Pop Up

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Podcasting 2.0 for November 21st, 2025, episode

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242, Potty Pop-Up.

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Hey now, hello everybody.

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Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. It is time

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to talk podcasting.

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That's right.

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Everything going on with podcasting, everything that went

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on throughout the last 20 years, everything that's

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still to come is all here.

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We are the board meeting.

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You should be in the boardroom.

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In fact, we are the only boardroom that

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is never seditious.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who spent hours unclogging party time just

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for you.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only pod sage, I'm

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talking about Mr. Dave Jones.

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It's not only the aggregators that are clogged

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up.

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It's the, it's the drains, the sewer drain

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in my house is now clogged, which is

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- We reverted to the outhouse.

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I might have to drop trowel in the

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backyard behind the shed if it's not-

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I woke up this morning and Melissa is

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like, there's some goo coming out of the

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sink.

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I was like,

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man, there's no way I can get a

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sewer guy out here today.

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So you actually have goo coming out?

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Oh yeah.

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No, it's for real.

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I'm not kidding.

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The sewer is backing up and I'm like,

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okay, can we take like 30 second showers

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for however long it takes and just limp

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along until we leave and then I'll call

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the sewer guy when we get back.

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I'm worried, brother, because you can come back

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and then something could have happened where your

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entire house is filled with slop.

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It's the drain line.

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It's like, it's not the sewer system.

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It's like the drain line.

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So it's one of those things where it's

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like a slow leak down.

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It's happened before we got old pipes and

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stuff.

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It's manageable.

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Come on, everybody.

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Help get Dave new pipes.

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He needs to lay new pipes.

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Help Dave.

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Help Dave.

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Man, this cloud flare outage, it just reminds

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you how centralized we've become and how decentralized

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we need to be.

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I mean, holy crap.

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So much broke.

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I mean, it was just everywhere.

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Yeah.

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No, it was, it was bad.

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I mean, it's, and it's becoming more frequent

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because I mean, we have like AWS, then

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Azure, then cloud flare.

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Like these are all within what, six weeks

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of each other.

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And think about the government who rely on

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these things heavily, particularly as your AWS, I

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don't know how much cloud flare they're doing.

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Um, man, it was, it was just bad.

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I mean, okay.

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So, oh, I can't access my ex account.

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Uh, all right, fine.

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But then people go, oh, I can't get

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to my chat GPT bot.

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I don't know what to do.

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I don't know what to have for dinner.

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I don't know how to feel.

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I mean, I had no idea what was

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happening at first.

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I mean, I was, it's, it's weird.

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Cause I was, um, excuse me.

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Um, I, I never look at the, the

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index really.

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Um, why would you, why would you, that

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was, that was, that sounded very definitive.

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No, I never really look at the index,

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uh, like in the, in the morning I'll

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do stuff later in the day, but, um,

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like for some weird reason and I can't

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even remember what, I actually think it had

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something to do with a dream.

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I woke up and like immediately grabbed my

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phone, which I don't do either, but I

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immediately grabbed my phone off the nightstand and

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pulled up podcast index.org.

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I still can't even remember why I did

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it.

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I was looking for something and, and I

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pulled it up and everything on it was

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blank.

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Oh, you didn't even get the little cloud

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flare where you got you, your server and

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the black part in the middle.

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No, no.

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I got, I got, I got a, I

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got the template of what the podcast index

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website should look like.

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And then no, no carousel.

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And then all the stats were blank.

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And I'm like, okay, wait, is the API

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down?

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And then I got in and out and

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I was like, no, I'm able to make

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it.

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API calls are working and I start pulling

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up servers and stuff and everything looked fine.

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And I'm like, man, is this, is this

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weird?

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Every time I blame cloud flare, it's never

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a cloud flare.

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And this time it was cloud flare.

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And then I started, then I started seeing

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on online that everybody was broken.

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Right.

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But yeah, it was weird.

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I mean, in my world, uh, a lot

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of stuff went down cause I could not

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get to the API for whatever reason.

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It was edge.

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Like it was location specific.

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Oh, okay.

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So of course Dallas.

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Um, so I couldn't get to the API.

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So that meant all of my channel streams

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were breaking.

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We had stuff that wasn't updating.

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Of course.

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Uh, it got pretty busy in the podcast,

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uh, customer success, uh, the pod podcast index

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customer success desk.

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Yeah.

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My show's not updated.

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Look, it looks good on pod bean.

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We, we need an AI customer success manager

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is what we need.

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Oh, vibe coding.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I got, I can build that.

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I got this idea from, uh, from Jason

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Hudgens.

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I had a, which I want to talk

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about, uh, his, I want to talk about

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the call we had.

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We had a zoom call where he, uh,

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graciously gave me probably two hours of his

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time.

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Now, who is this?

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Jason Hudgens from podcast guru.

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Oh, I just know him as Jason from

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podcast guru.

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I'm like Jason Hudgens.

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Who's this guy?

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Yeah.

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I don't know him.

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Nobody has last names.

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No, we don't need last names here.

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Not in the boardroom.

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The, so he gave me, he's, he just,

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he reached out after our conversation two weeks

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ago and he was like, um, he's like,

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Hey, I, you know, I was hearing about

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y'all, you know, talking about vibe coding

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and AI and all this kind of stuff.

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He's like, let me show you my praise.

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Like, give me a, give me a little

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bit of time.

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Let me show you my process.

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And he's like, I think I can turn

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you into a super coder.

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Me or you?

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Me.

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Oh, specific.

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He said your whole, he said that you're

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hopeless.

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He said this specifically.

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Adam's beyond, beyond repair.

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He's hopeless.

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We can't, hold on.

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Let me get my Turkey out here.

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Hold on.

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Okay.

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But he says specifically, he's like, Dave, you

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can be a super coder.

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And, um, so anyway, he said, he spent

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a couple of hours with me showing me

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like his whole way that he does, you

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know, the way he uses AI in his

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process.

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And I will say that it was, it

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was very enlightening.

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First of all, it was very helpful.

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Yeah.

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And then very enlightening, but then as part,

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and I want to talk about later, but

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then part of his, uh, you know, part

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of what he mentioned was he's like, uh,

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you know, he was talking about like bots

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to help people and that kind of thing.

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Like, and I was thinking, you know, what,

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that would be great.

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Like we could get an email and says

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my, my RSS feed is not my podcast,

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not updating it, extract the feed or the

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ID or something out of it.

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No, not an email.

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No, we'll have a little chat bot on

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the website.

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Hi, I'm Clippy.

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I'm Clippy.

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We're going to, we're going to, we're going

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to resurrect Clippy.

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In fact, yes, Indy.

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I'm Indy.

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This is a great idea.

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I love it.

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We'll, uh, we'll get, we'll bring Clippy back.

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Indy.

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I like Indy.

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I am Indy, your podcast index, uh, Indy.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Indy bot.

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I like it.

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Hold on a second.

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Is that with an IE?

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I guess Indy like Indiana, like Indiana Jones,

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you know, as short as like a nickname.

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Indy bot.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that should be, you know, it should

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be, Indy should be able to, uh, perform

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a scan, uh, perform a reset.

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Potty.

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Potty.

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Potty's pretty good.

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Potty.

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Potty's even better.

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Potty.

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I'm writing this down.

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I can build this.

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No doubt.

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I can run it on the Linode five

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bucks a month and, uh, and, and it'll

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check, it can check stuff.

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Of course.

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And it'll talk back to you.

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Absolutely.

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Well, I, I'm, this is not my job.

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I'm going to give it IMAP access to

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your, to your, um, to email, to email,

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to your guide, I mean, to your podcast

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index email so that you can, you can

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just monitor for, for, for stuff.

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For emails coming in and then automatically send

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an API request to reset the feed.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And then, and then reply and with a

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bunch of unhelpful, like three paragraphs of text.

283
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Tons of unhelpful stuff.

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We're going to do lots of unhelpful stuff.

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Uh, and, and it's going to say, have

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you tried turning it off and back on

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again?

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That's where that's how that's the, that there'll

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be the stock reply to everything.

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It should be a minimum conversation of at

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least seven emails with the, with the person

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sending the email.

293
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Start starting with, have you uploaded it to

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Apple?

295
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Like have you uploaded, uploaded it to Apple?

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Okay.

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Absolutely.

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I'm excited already to make this.

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This is, this, this will be a breeze,

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man.

301
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I already have it mapped out in my

302
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head.

303
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I just, the toughest part will be making

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potty appear on the page.

305
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Potty.

306
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Potty pop-up.

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You put your problems in the potty and

308
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let us fix them for you.

309
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And then when you hit send, you hear,

310
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you hear a toilet flush.

311
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Yeah.

312
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That's actually a quite as, as, as you

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know, how much humor we're getting out of

314
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it.

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That could solve 90% of all success

316
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desk issues.

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Success desk.

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I love the success desk.

319
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Of course.

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I pay attention.

321
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Support request and it has a form.

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You must put in your RS, your, your

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podcast, like reference, like a, an RSS feed

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or an ID or something.

325
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I mean, you know, you're, I mean, not

326
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a form.

327
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No, it's not a form day.

328
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Literally potty, potty pops up right in the

329
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lower right-hand corner.

330
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Hi, I'm potty.

331
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How can I help you today?

332
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And then you type in, and then if

333
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you put in a podcast index URL or

334
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an ID, we can parse all that.

335
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That's easy.

336
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Yeah.

337
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Or your, uh, your RSS feed.

338
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And I mean, I, I know the 10

339
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answers to everything.

340
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So yeah.

341
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The 10 answers to everything.

342
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Yeah.

343
00:11:24,020 --> 00:11:26,420
There's, there's 10 questions that people ask.

344
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My favorite is always, I don't want to

345
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be on your platform.

346
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And so we get a steady stream of

347
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that.

348
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Yeah.

349
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And so the response is sure.

350
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Happy to remove it.

351
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If you want to be gone from the

352
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70 plus apps and services that use the

353
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podcast index.

354
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Are you sure?

355
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Yeah.

356
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Yeah.

357
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I will go.

358
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And then you go sign up for, I

359
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want my, I don't want my podcast on

360
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your system, but then I'm going to go

361
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sign up for something that uses podcast index

362
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and then complain to them, to their support.

363
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Exactly.

364
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Your stuff doesn't work.

365
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I love your, you're scraping my feed, bro.

366
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Yeah.

367
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Yes.

368
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Yes.

369
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That's the point.

370
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That's the point.

371
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Oh man.

372
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And then I'll have potty just, uh, send

373
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off reams of stuff about how podcasting works.

374
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,520
That's a good idea.

375
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That's it could even, it could even respond

376
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to the stupid lawyer stuff.

377
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Absolutely.

378
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Hi, stupid lawyer.

379
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I'm potty.

380
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How can I help you?

381
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Yeah.

382
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This where you need to pay us because

383
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you're using our RSS feed.

384
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Okay.

385
00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,280
Let pot, sit down and let potty explained

386
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to you how RSS feeds work.

387
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I'm going to build this.

388
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I am motivated, excited.

389
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I'm hydromated.

390
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I'm ready to go.

391
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I'm ready to go.

392
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Yeah.

393
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Uh, but all things aside, thank you so

394
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much because I know that you spent hours,

395
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hours on clogging stuff.

396
00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,880
Well, you know, this is a long, this

397
00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:04,580
is a story.

398
00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,660
Oh good.

399
00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,780
Let me just grab, I got my, my

400
00:13:07,780 --> 00:13:09,060
gigawatt cold brew.

401
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I'm ready to go.

402
00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:11,380
Oh, you drink cold.

403
00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,300
Do you drink cold brew from gigawatt?

404
00:13:13,380 --> 00:13:13,540
Yeah.

405
00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,320
Cause they, it's, it has nitro.

406
00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,040
Uh, and you have to shake the can

407
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vigorously.

408
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And then when you open it, it does

409
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wash.

410
00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,060
Now you hit because it releases the nitro.

411
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It's got a little bubble of nitro in

412
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there.

413
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Nitro.

414
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Nitro.

415
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Yeah.

416
00:13:29,020 --> 00:13:31,340
And it's a no agenda producer.

417
00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:37,060
Um, uh, Eli, the coffee guy, he roasts

418
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coffee.

419
00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:39,280
Stacey.

420
00:13:40,140 --> 00:13:42,000
Wait, hold on a second.

421
00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:43,140
What is it?

422
00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:44,140
That's a good point.

423
00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,180
Um, let me see.

424
00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,400
Oh, I don't, I thought I, I thought

425
00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,660
I had the music.

426
00:13:52,260 --> 00:13:54,020
Well, it's pod Sage story time.

427
00:13:54,380 --> 00:13:54,620
Do you know?

428
00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,320
So, Oh, do you have a story time?

429
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:56,780
I don't know.

430
00:13:56,860 --> 00:13:57,060
Let's see.

431
00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,060
Let's see what this is.

432
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Ladies and gentlemen, it is now time for

433
00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,700
pod Sage story time in the boardroom podcasting

434
00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:10,980
2.0. Oh, go ahead.

435
00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:11,360
Dave.

436
00:14:12,820 --> 00:14:15,300
Um, that's called me off guard there.

437
00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:18,460
It's yeah, it's a story.

438
00:14:18,540 --> 00:14:24,160
I mean, now this is the podcast podcasting

439
00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,480
2.0 podcast version of the sad puppy

440
00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,060
boost the sad puppy email.

441
00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:32,500
You guys got to support us.

442
00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:34,880
Cause I feel somehow, whatever Dave is going

443
00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,380
to tell us, bigger machines or more machines

444
00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:39,480
would be the answer.

445
00:14:42,220 --> 00:14:44,800
So yeah, it, it sort of comes down.

446
00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,480
I'll give you the bottom line first is

447
00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,680
it, it, part of this really comes down

448
00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,440
to trying to be too, um, too sexy

449
00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,200
with the purse.

450
00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,620
It's not, it's impossible for me to be

451
00:14:59,620 --> 00:15:00,540
too sexy.

452
00:15:00,660 --> 00:15:01,340
Uh, exactly.

453
00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,900
But, um, it's, it comes down to, you

454
00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:08,800
know, the trying to be too tight with

455
00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,640
the purse and really what has, what's been

456
00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,280
biting me in the rear for a while

457
00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,460
now is I keep running up against just

458
00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:20,600
memory constraints.

459
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,400
Cause I've been trying the aggregators.

460
00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:25,260
I'm trying to use a bunch of, um,

461
00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:30,380
a bunch of, uh, a bunch of $5

462
00:15:30,380 --> 00:15:33,020
nanodes, you know, and they only have, they

463
00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:34,360
have a gig of Ram, but by the,

464
00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,080
by the time you finish, um, you know,

465
00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:40,580
the system's going to take some and you,

466
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by the, by the time you get every

467
00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,640
system loaded, I mean, you got maybe half

468
00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,480
that left.

469
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It takes a, it takes a good bit

470
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just to keep, just, just to keep it

471
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in a running state.

472
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So you're talking about probably 400 Megs of

473
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Ram.

474
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That's just being used just to keep the

475
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system going.

476
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So, you know, it's run into this a

477
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bunch where it just boils down the problems

478
00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,960
we, I keep running into just boil, boil

479
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,400
down to just simply not enough memory.

480
00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,160
And I've been resistant to upgrade to bigger

481
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VMs because I'm like, well, these are a

482
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five, a one gig VM.

483
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,540
It's five bucks.

484
00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:27,880
Right.

485
00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:29,020
Yeah.

486
00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:29,940
It's five bucks.

487
00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:31,900
A two gig VM is $12.

488
00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,580
So I'm like the difference between five and

489
00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:36,720
seven, you know, that's seven bucks.

490
00:16:36,740 --> 00:16:39,180
By the way, that's excluding backups.

491
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Yes.

492
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Backups.

493
00:16:41,420 --> 00:16:41,740
Backups.

494
00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,780
Another two bucks a month, another two and

495
00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:44,680
a half bucks a month.

496
00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:46,720
That's for the five, you know, for the

497
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12 it's more.

498
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,220
And so I'm like, well, this multiplies and

499
00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:50,740
all this kind of stuff.

500
00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:53,300
So I've, I keep everything to the bone

501
00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:54,800
as expense wise.

502
00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:59,920
And, um, C-Loss, uh, rerun, uh, running

503
00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,540
it as a, as a Lambda like event

504
00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:05,560
driven function would not help because these run

505
00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,780
24 seven.

506
00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:07,800
They never stop running.

507
00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:09,740
Thanks for your input C-Loss.

508
00:17:13,140 --> 00:17:13,660
Thanks.

509
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,920
But you can put your hand down.

510
00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:19,359
There you go.

511
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,700
Dreb Scott, one, two, three, four, five, six.

512
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,599
Oh, that's to the index.

513
00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:26,220
Yes.

514
00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,160
Yes.

515
00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,740
Dave and big in the VMs, he says.

516
00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:40,970
The, um, yeah, so the, so what's this,

517
00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:43,350
this, this is a part, the party time,

518
00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:45,390
which is the, the parser on the aggregators

519
00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:46,370
is written in JavaScript.

520
00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:52,190
It's a node, um, no JS, no JS

521
00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:52,590
thing.

522
00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:52,990
Yes.

523
00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:55,550
And so it, it, it is not light

524
00:17:55,550 --> 00:17:57,170
on memory to begin with.

525
00:17:59,410 --> 00:18:03,450
Um, so it, I've got all these ways

526
00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:07,270
in which it tries to detect memory problems

527
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:12,210
and sort of rescue itself if it gets

528
00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:13,210
caught in a loop.

529
00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:15,230
So, you know, I mean, it doesn't know

530
00:18:15,230 --> 00:18:17,610
ahead of time, what, how big these files

531
00:18:17,610 --> 00:18:18,330
are going to be.

532
00:18:19,650 --> 00:18:24,630
And so you can have, um, you, when

533
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:26,550
you, when you download a bunch of files,

534
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:29,430
you try to parse them.

535
00:18:29,950 --> 00:18:34,190
And if you hit one that's enormous, well,

536
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:37,650
then it depends on what all you else

537
00:18:37,650 --> 00:18:38,190
you had.

538
00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:40,370
So like, this is kind of hard to

539
00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:40,790
explain.

540
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:43,430
So the way it works is there's two

541
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:44,770
parts to our aggregators.

542
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:48,070
There's aggravator, which is a debt, which is

543
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:51,890
the polling agent, which downloads the files and

544
00:18:51,890 --> 00:18:54,010
it saves all the files into a folder

545
00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:56,730
with metadata within the file.

546
00:18:56,810 --> 00:18:59,330
So the first line is the last modified

547
00:18:59,330 --> 00:19:00,730
date, HTTP header.

548
00:19:00,850 --> 00:19:04,170
The second line is the E tag header.

549
00:19:04,490 --> 00:19:06,410
The third line is the feed URL.

550
00:19:06,790 --> 00:19:09,270
And the fourth line is the, uh, is

551
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:11,870
the current Unix timestamp stamp of when it

552
00:19:11,870 --> 00:19:15,130
wrote the file, excuse me, of when it

553
00:19:15,130 --> 00:19:15,510
polled.

554
00:19:16,050 --> 00:19:18,650
So, and then the rest, starting with line

555
00:19:18,650 --> 00:19:20,510
five and the rest of it, that is

556
00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:21,750
your XML content.

557
00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:25,590
So you have, once that, you know, aggravator

558
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:28,070
pulls a couple of hundred files at a

559
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:29,490
couple of hundred feed URLs at a time,

560
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:31,830
downloads them all into these component files into

561
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:32,450
in a folder.

562
00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:34,570
Then it hands it off to party time,

563
00:19:34,650 --> 00:19:37,270
which picks up all these files and runs

564
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:41,270
through them and parses them into and processes

565
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:45,930
SQL transactions for these, for the, the, the

566
00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:47,810
episodes and on all the different parts of

567
00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:52,850
the XML that this, so when party time

568
00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:56,730
picks up these files, it tries, you know,

569
00:19:56,730 --> 00:19:57,990
it grabs them all.

570
00:19:58,690 --> 00:20:00,830
And what it does is it tries to

571
00:20:00,830 --> 00:20:01,930
process them all.

572
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:05,790
If, if it hits a certain memory limit,

573
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:11,650
it will just stop processing and just go

574
00:20:11,650 --> 00:20:12,870
with what it has already.

575
00:20:13,810 --> 00:20:16,410
And when you say file, that's an RSS

576
00:20:16,410 --> 00:20:16,790
feed.

577
00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:18,490
That's, that's what a file is.

578
00:20:18,970 --> 00:20:19,210
Yeah.

579
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:20,890
It's the RSS feed with some of that

580
00:20:20,890 --> 00:20:22,290
metadata attached at the top.

581
00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:26,390
And so it, it run it, it tries

582
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:27,110
to process.

583
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:29,230
And so the memory limit may be, you

584
00:20:29,230 --> 00:20:31,230
know, 400 megabytes.

585
00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:34,910
And once it hits 400 megabytes, it stops

586
00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:36,050
and bails out.

587
00:20:36,250 --> 00:20:36,390
Hold on.

588
00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:38,370
Are we actually running a machine with 400

589
00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:39,070
megabytes?

590
00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:41,290
No, that's what's left.

591
00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:42,830
That's usable after in a one.

592
00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:43,630
Oh, okay.

593
00:20:43,650 --> 00:20:43,950
Okay.

594
00:20:43,950 --> 00:20:44,390
I got you.

595
00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:44,650
Yes.

596
00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:45,050
Okay.

597
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:45,530
Got it.

598
00:20:45,550 --> 00:20:45,870
Got it.

599
00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:50,270
And so the, it, it, it runs up

600
00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:55,570
to its supposed limit, processes what it has,

601
00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:57,850
what it was able to capture, and then,

602
00:20:58,210 --> 00:21:00,910
you know, removes those files out of the

603
00:21:00,910 --> 00:21:04,650
directories and then grabs another batch.

604
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:11,100
So this, the pro, so here's where the

605
00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:12,120
problems come in.

606
00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:19,850
You imagine if you have three, you know,

607
00:21:20,010 --> 00:21:23,490
imagine you have 10 files, one of the

608
00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:26,850
RSS feeds is 75 megabytes.

609
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:28,070
Yeah, that's mine.

610
00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:32,350
So, and you've got, let's say a 300

611
00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:33,230
megabyte limit.

612
00:21:34,130 --> 00:21:39,550
Well, it's, if that, if that 75er processes

613
00:21:39,550 --> 00:21:44,550
at the end, then it may, it may

614
00:21:44,550 --> 00:21:47,350
just crash the whole process because it never

615
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:49,750
had a chance to sort of anticipate.

616
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:51,690
And you don't, you can't tell from just

617
00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:54,250
the file size, because remember you're keeping the

618
00:21:54,250 --> 00:22:01,170
file in memory and the parsed out objects,

619
00:22:01,470 --> 00:22:03,010
JavaScript objects in memory.

620
00:22:03,010 --> 00:22:07,070
It's, it's, it's inflating the size much bigger

621
00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:09,130
than, than just the file size.

622
00:22:09,170 --> 00:22:10,770
And you can't know in advance what it's

623
00:22:10,770 --> 00:22:11,330
going to be.

624
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:18,210
So the, because you don't, you can't look

625
00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:20,690
at the memory management that's happening in, in

626
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:21,090
node.

627
00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:23,970
So you just have to run it in

628
00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:26,270
real time and calculate it as you go.

629
00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:28,430
And unless you hit a scenario where it,

630
00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:31,890
where it just jumps way up suddenly, then

631
00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:34,350
the whole thing, then the process crashes out.

632
00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:37,810
Well, once the process, so there's a backup

633
00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:38,270
for that.

634
00:22:38,410 --> 00:22:41,870
If the process crashes out, it detects that

635
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:44,010
because it drops a stub file before it

636
00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:48,110
even starts processing and says, you know, it

637
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:51,350
drops a stub, then runs through the whole

638
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:51,650
thing.

639
00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:53,470
And the last thing it does before the

640
00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:55,410
process exits is delete the stub.

641
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:58,590
Well, if it, if it, it'll check for

642
00:22:58,590 --> 00:23:00,170
the presence of the stub when it starts

643
00:23:00,170 --> 00:23:00,990
on the next run.

644
00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:02,450
And if that thing is still there, it

645
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:03,450
knows that it crashed.

646
00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:07,170
So if it crashed, what it will do

647
00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:10,510
is it will reduce the number of feeds

648
00:23:10,510 --> 00:23:13,970
it tries to capture the next time by

649
00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:14,490
half.

650
00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:17,710
Oh, that's just a guess.

651
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:19,170
It's a guess.

652
00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:19,550
Yeah.

653
00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:22,310
And then it'll, if it crashes again, it'll

654
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:23,550
reduce it again by half.

655
00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:26,090
And it, it sort of fall, it keeps

656
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:28,770
falling back over and over and over until

657
00:23:28,770 --> 00:23:32,350
it can get through the bot, the bottleneck

658
00:23:32,350 --> 00:23:34,790
and then go back up and start over.

659
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:37,930
And this is a, I hate the way

660
00:23:37,930 --> 00:23:38,410
this works.

661
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:42,130
I mean, it, it works, but it's very,

662
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:46,030
I don't even have a word for it.

663
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:46,710
Lame.

664
00:23:46,930 --> 00:23:48,770
It feels inel, lame.

665
00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:50,150
It feels inelegant.

666
00:23:51,010 --> 00:23:53,330
Um, and I mean, this is a known

667
00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:57,870
computer science like methodology, uh, you know, circuit

668
00:23:57,870 --> 00:24:02,510
breaker or, um, back off, you know, progressive

669
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:03,770
back off, whatever you want to call it.

670
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:04,870
I mean, this, this is the way you

671
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:07,910
have to do some things, but it, it's

672
00:24:07,910 --> 00:24:11,030
just, it's, this is all just to make

673
00:24:11,030 --> 00:24:13,530
up because this pro this thing I'm describing

674
00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:17,050
at these low memory levels, it happens all

675
00:24:17,050 --> 00:24:17,750
the time.

676
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:21,450
It, I mean, it's constantly happening like this,

677
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:25,130
but it's the trade-off you have to

678
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:29,350
make to not spend, you know, 1500 to

679
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:32,330
$2,000 a month on, on, on hosting

680
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:32,670
fees.

681
00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:33,070
Right.

682
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:35,530
So we, so that's the way that we

683
00:24:35,530 --> 00:24:35,870
do it.

684
00:24:35,910 --> 00:24:39,530
So I was finally, it, it got, it

685
00:24:39,530 --> 00:24:44,450
got itself into a funk where it had

686
00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:48,730
like a couple of really large feeds and

687
00:24:48,730 --> 00:24:50,190
it could not push through.

688
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,050
And it was just crashing.

689
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:55,550
Oh, there's two aggregators that were crashing over

690
00:24:55,550 --> 00:24:56,850
and over and over again.

691
00:24:56,850 --> 00:24:59,630
And they just would not go through and

692
00:24:59,630 --> 00:24:59,910
find.

693
00:25:00,090 --> 00:25:01,410
And so I had to just get in

694
00:25:01,410 --> 00:25:04,430
there and re and just like recode some

695
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:04,970
stuff.

696
00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:09,290
And I was trying to get this and

697
00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:11,590
trying to find a route around this code

698
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:12,010
wise.

699
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:14,150
And eventually I was just like, you know

700
00:25:14,150 --> 00:25:14,390
what?

701
00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:16,090
I just got to throw more memory, more

702
00:25:16,090 --> 00:25:16,930
memory at this thing.

703
00:25:16,990 --> 00:25:18,750
So I just upgraded both of those VMs

704
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:20,150
from $5 to $12.

705
00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:25,790
And so it's, it, it sounds silly.

706
00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:27,490
This sounds silly to people to hear.

707
00:25:27,690 --> 00:25:30,030
Why are you, why, why is this four,

708
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:31,530
why is $14 a month?

709
00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:32,490
So it's such a big deal.

710
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:35,870
It's a big deal because we're paying $800

711
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:38,570
a month right now for our Lendo bill

712
00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:40,150
and another 90 for CloudFlare.

713
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:40,550
Yeah.

714
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:42,610
So, I mean, we're, we're pushing a thousand

715
00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:43,090
bucks.

716
00:25:43,550 --> 00:25:44,730
Every dollar counts.

717
00:25:45,490 --> 00:25:47,470
And if you get, if you get in

718
00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:49,450
the mindset, this is, this is what I've,

719
00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:52,110
this is how I talk to myself about

720
00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:52,910
these kinds of things.

721
00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:54,130
Wait, wait, wait.

722
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:57,110
Dave?

723
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:58,050
Yes, Dave.

724
00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:00,230
I need to talk to you.

725
00:26:01,170 --> 00:26:02,190
What do you say?

726
00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:02,770
Self?

727
00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:08,630
You're capable, you're lovable and you're worth it.

728
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:14,490
Do not become comfortable with solving problems with

729
00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:14,830
money.

730
00:26:16,090 --> 00:26:20,490
Do not let that become a thing that

731
00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:21,670
you get used to.

732
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:22,290
Yeah.

733
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:25,690
Because if you get used to it, you

734
00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:29,530
will overspend money when it's not necessary.

735
00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:32,130
And before you know it, you will find

736
00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:34,270
just like spending money on a credit card,

737
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:37,790
when you're, you know, when you're undisciplined financially,

738
00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:40,170
you will find that you have spent way

739
00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:42,130
more money than you should have and you

740
00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:42,890
will regret it.

741
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:44,090
Yeah.

742
00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:46,730
And so this is the mindset I bring

743
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:49,390
to the table everywhere.

744
00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:54,170
My day job, podcast index, God cast, everything

745
00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:55,850
that we deal with, that we work with

746
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:59,470
your stuff, everything that I deal with, I

747
00:26:59,470 --> 00:27:01,730
have to keep this financial discipline in mind.

748
00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:04,730
And it may seem silly to argue over

749
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:06,770
such a tiny amount, but that's the way

750
00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:07,770
you have to do it.

751
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:13,730
Because cloud hosting providers, they want all of

752
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:14,190
your money.

753
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:15,790
Yeah.

754
00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:16,990
Yes, they do.

755
00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:20,870
And they will, and they will lull you

756
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:23,550
into getting it and giving it to them.

757
00:27:24,370 --> 00:27:28,250
So I've, I've solved it that way for

758
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:30,270
now, but this gave me a good reason

759
00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:33,610
to go back and we're caught up now

760
00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:34,810
if everything's parsing fine.

761
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:38,230
But this gave me a good reason to

762
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:41,170
put into practice all the stuff that me

763
00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:44,630
and Jason talked about and try to go,

764
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:51,810
try to move forward with the next generation

765
00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:53,090
of aggregators.

766
00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:59,070
And I'm going to, it's a tedious process

767
00:27:59,070 --> 00:28:03,190
to build a podcast aggregator.

768
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:08,030
And so I've decided that I'm going to

769
00:28:08,030 --> 00:28:12,890
try to build it with coding agents, LLMs.

770
00:28:13,390 --> 00:28:15,210
And so that's my project.

771
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:15,830
All right.

772
00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:18,950
There is one other thing we need to

773
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:21,710
take care of, which is a problem.

774
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:22,910
What's that?

775
00:28:22,910 --> 00:28:27,710
Uh, so we switched to LN address and

776
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:31,370
using podcast index at getalby.com.

777
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:33,710
Yeah, that's not going to work.

778
00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:36,870
Uh, we got blocked evidently.

779
00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:37,890
Well, no, no, no, no.

780
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:39,270
Here's what's happening.

781
00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:41,710
Um, I, I got the note from Moritz.

782
00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:46,050
Payments to lightning addresses create an increased load

783
00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:48,750
on our server infrastructure because of the high

784
00:28:48,750 --> 00:28:52,430
payment frequency in podcasting that makes it difficult

785
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:55,450
for us to reliably distinguish between spam and

786
00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:56,430
legitimate traffic.

787
00:28:56,590 --> 00:28:59,070
So some requests may get blocked accidentally.

788
00:28:59,290 --> 00:29:00,290
It's happening right now.

789
00:29:00,310 --> 00:29:04,350
In fact, um, he says you can log

790
00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:07,150
into your Albie account on getalby.com, follow

791
00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:09,330
the steps to reactivate your lightning address.

792
00:29:09,410 --> 00:29:11,150
For now we've manually fixed it for the

793
00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:11,830
listed accounts.

794
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:14,430
Well, so we got, uh, we got relisted

795
00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:17,190
or unlisted or whatever because people can't, uh,

796
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:18,090
boost us right now.

797
00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:22,570
Um, and so I said, you know, uh,

798
00:29:22,570 --> 00:29:24,830
is this, uh, how do you determine if

799
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:25,670
something's spam?

800
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:28,130
Is it, you know, for each, you know,

801
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:29,570
is one sat spam?

802
00:29:30,030 --> 00:29:34,110
And he correctly replies by saying one sat

803
00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:35,230
payments are not spam.

804
00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:37,370
A lightning address resolves to a URL that

805
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:38,750
gives you a bolt 11 invoice.

806
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:41,090
This invoice will be paid in the ideal

807
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:42,950
case or it won't be paid for different

808
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:43,430
reasons.

809
00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:45,350
So we cannot know if there's a real

810
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:47,850
payment intent behind an invoice request.

811
00:29:48,490 --> 00:29:51,330
And then he finally says, uh, he says,

812
00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:54,250
uh, what'd he say here?

813
00:29:54,670 --> 00:29:57,110
You had solid reasons for choosing keys in

814
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:58,170
the first place.

815
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:58,490
Okay.

816
00:29:58,590 --> 00:29:59,070
Thanks.

817
00:29:59,150 --> 00:29:59,710
Very helpful.

818
00:30:00,030 --> 00:30:01,650
The customer is always wrong.

819
00:30:02,550 --> 00:30:04,910
So we need to just change that.

820
00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:07,350
We just need to put a well-known,

821
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:08,990
uh, somewhere else.

822
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:11,530
We, we can't rely on Albi hub because

823
00:30:11,530 --> 00:30:13,990
we got a lot of, uh, payments and

824
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:15,230
we're going to keep getting blocked.

825
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,240
This is, this is an interesting thing that

826
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:21,760
he said.

827
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,180
He's right.

828
00:30:24,020 --> 00:30:27,200
He's, he's right when he says, and this

829
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,960
is really, it's funny that I never saw

830
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,520
this before as a fatal flaw in LNURLP.

831
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,500
No, me neither.

832
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,500
We cannot know if there's a real payment

833
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:39,060
intent behind an invoice request.

834
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,080
So you could request 7 billion invoice payments

835
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,940
through LNURLP and never pay any of them.

836
00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:51,840
And essentially that would crash LND.

837
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:53,900
Hmm.

838
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,700
Am I wrong?

839
00:30:57,220 --> 00:30:59,460
That's a DDoS against LND, isn't it?

840
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,580
Oh, that's a, that's an interesting question.

841
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:06,240
If you created, if you created a, a

842
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,360
script that requested, uh, 50 invoices a second,

843
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:15,260
um, through, uh, get well known, you know,

844
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:17,180
as an LN address for the, for an

845
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:19,720
LNURLP payment and never paid any of them.

846
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,240
I mean, you, you'd, you would eventually just

847
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,680
exhaust LND, I think.

848
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Hmm.

849
00:31:27,340 --> 00:31:29,420
With zero payments being made.

850
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,480
Yeah.

851
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Cause it has to track that.

852
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:33,840
Yeah.

853
00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:36,860
That's a good question.

854
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:40,720
I'm asking Grok right now.

855
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Yeah.

856
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,800
I mean, it has to keep track of

857
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,940
the invoice so it knows when the invoice

858
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:46,440
got paid.

859
00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:46,860
Yeah.

860
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,980
And I'm sure this come up before, but

861
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:51,060
I've just never thought about it.

862
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:58,850
And, you know, I don't, I mean, you

863
00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:00,990
can, I can, we can all imagine ways

864
00:32:00,990 --> 00:32:03,270
to sort of defend against it where you're

865
00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:05,710
trying, you know, rate limiting and things like

866
00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:05,950
that.

867
00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:07,710
But I mean, that's not, that doesn't actually

868
00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:08,730
solve the problem.

869
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:10,590
Well, I can understand if they're, if they're

870
00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:14,350
operating as a hub for everybody, we've basically

871
00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:16,570
created the biggest vulnerability ever.

872
00:32:18,450 --> 00:32:20,590
Uh, yes, it is possible to attempt to

873
00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:23,250
DDoS attacks on LND based Lightning node as

874
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:25,530
these nodes exposed network interfaces that could be

875
00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:26,130
targeted.

876
00:32:27,050 --> 00:32:29,910
No features like onion routing for privacy.

877
00:32:30,130 --> 00:32:30,330
Okay.

878
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:31,170
Blah, blah, blah.

879
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:35,790
No, you could in fact, uh, easily do

880
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:36,150
that.

881
00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:37,630
Yeah.

882
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:39,730
Keeping LND updated is crucial.

883
00:32:40,030 --> 00:32:40,670
Okay.

884
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:42,610
Hmm.

885
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:45,910
Well, I think we should consider taking the

886
00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:46,790
load off of them.

887
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:50,290
Yeah, for sure.

888
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:53,870
Uh, the, the thing I don't, the, I,

889
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:56,370
I, I did not intend to use Albie

890
00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:58,390
to begin with to get our LN address,

891
00:32:58,570 --> 00:33:00,250
but it was, you needed to do it

892
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:00,930
at that time.

893
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:02,370
Yeah.

894
00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:04,070
I wanted to get something up and running

895
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:07,650
quickly and also didn't want to, um, expose

896
00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:11,530
our node directly to the internet.

897
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:11,910
Yeah.

898
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:18,920
Uh, cause I don't, you, there's, if you

899
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,440
go look, this all is just kind of,

900
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,620
it's all kind of frustrating, honestly.

901
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:29,380
If you go, if you say, okay, I

902
00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:31,000
want an LN address, I want a Lightning

903
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,380
address.

904
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:35,520
If you say, and you have your own,

905
00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:37,380
if you run your own node, hold on,

906
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:37,660
hold on.

907
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Aren't we creating the, the Bolt 11 invoice?

908
00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:44,180
Shouldn't we be, aren't we just using RSS

909
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:48,040
or, um, uh, get albie.com as the,

910
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,940
for the well-known address part?

911
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:51,720
Aren't, aren't we creating the Bolt 11?

912
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:52,860
Why are they creating it?

913
00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:54,660
No, we're running there.

914
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,940
The Albie hub is a node.

915
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:59,260
Oh, oh, I see.

916
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,860
And we're using Albie hub.

917
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:01,480
I see.

918
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:04,880
It, you can, you can set Albie hub

919
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,179
to talk to a, to talk to an

920
00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:09,600
LND node, an external LND node.

921
00:34:09,659 --> 00:34:09,780
Yeah.

922
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,659
That's how I do it.

923
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,380
But again, I don't, I don't, I don't

924
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:14,500
know.

925
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,820
I'm just uncomfortable with that.

926
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,659
If you go, if you go to try,

927
00:34:17,739 --> 00:34:20,560
if you go and look for, if you,

928
00:34:20,620 --> 00:34:21,900
if you run your own node and you

929
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,179
go and try to find a way to

930
00:34:24,179 --> 00:34:27,060
put LN URL on top of that, you're

931
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:28,540
going to end up with something like LN

932
00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:29,400
bits or whatever.

933
00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:30,060
Right.

934
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:33,540
Otherwise you're on some get hub project that

935
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:35,540
has, you know, three stars.

936
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,620
Reviews are bullcrap, man.

937
00:34:41,659 --> 00:34:42,620
I don't trust reviews.

938
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,219
Well, you don't know what the quality of

939
00:34:45,219 --> 00:34:45,600
that thing.

940
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,860
I mean, like, what even is it?

941
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:49,159
And, but LN bits won't, won't even function

942
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,360
on our node because it's so gargantuan.

943
00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:51,940
Right.

944
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Yeah.

945
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,179
I see.

946
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,100
Well, I mean, so I'm running an Albi

947
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,340
hub at home and obviously that, that works.

948
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,520
So we might have to, I mean, we

949
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,700
can, we can run LN bits on a,

950
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:08,920
although I have to talk to Graham about

951
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,120
it because every single time I try to

952
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,920
set it up, it freaks out.

953
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:13,840
Yeah.

954
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:15,520
Cause we get, cause our database is so

955
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:15,760
big.

956
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:16,060
Yeah.

957
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,280
Yeah.

958
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,160
It just crashes.

959
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:22,100
I don't, I don't know what the answer

960
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:22,780
to this is.

961
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,140
I guess, you know, one, one answer would

962
00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:30,620
be cause we have a bunch of own

963
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:32,600
chain Bitcoin and we have a bunch of

964
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,800
lightning channels.

965
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,540
We could just move a lot of that

966
00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:39,000
own chain off of the node just to

967
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,420
say, you know, to safeguard it.

968
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,600
Well, how about this?

969
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,220
Why don't we just set up a separate

970
00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:45,840
node just for receiving?

971
00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:49,620
And cause I, I like how we provide

972
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:51,100
liquidity for a lot.

973
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:54,360
I mean, we are a massive liquidity provider.

974
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,260
I don't know how many channels we have.

975
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:57,980
I can look at it.

976
00:35:57,980 --> 00:36:00,560
Oh, it's like 125 or something.

977
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,360
Maybe even more than that.

978
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,800
So we could just set up a separate

979
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,760
node just for receiving and just have it

980
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,020
have that be it.

981
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,780
I didn't think about that.

982
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:11,580
That's a good idea.

983
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,780
I'm full of good ideas, Dave.

984
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:16,560
You've always been full of good ideas.

985
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,640
And then, and yeah, that's, yeah, that's a

986
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,460
really good idea.

987
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,740
Why don't we do that?

988
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:22,880
I'll, I'll set up another node.

989
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,260
How much is it going to cost though?

990
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:25,700
No, it doesn't cost much.

991
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:27,720
They have small nodes.

992
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:29,740
I'll set it up.

993
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:29,860
Who's they?

994
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:31,520
Voltage.

995
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:32,820
Voltage.

996
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,020
Okay.

997
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:33,220
Yeah.

998
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:33,420
Yeah.

999
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:36,640
I'll, I'll set up a small node, smaller

1000
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:36,780
node.

1001
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:38,240
And we can stick in bits on top

1002
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:38,560
of that.

1003
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:39,780
And then I'm going to try that.

1004
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:40,100
Yeah.

1005
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:41,040
Okay.

1006
00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:44,160
The last time I, yeah, the last, the

1007
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,080
last time I tried that though, there was,

1008
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:47,260
it was like, you have to be an

1009
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:50,640
admin to create and have wallet, huh?

1010
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:52,320
I'll have to dive into it.

1011
00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:54,720
Another thing I got to do, when am

1012
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,260
I going to build my potty bot?

1013
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,300
Get potty bot, build potty bot first, then

1014
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,080
get potty bot to build a node.

1015
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:04,980
Potty bot will do it.

1016
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:05,400
Sure.

1017
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,760
Let me see.

1018
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Let me check here.

1019
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,780
Let me see.

1020
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,820
Can I, should be able to, I want

1021
00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:19,220
to check, I want to check our nodes,

1022
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,590
see how many, see how many channels we

1023
00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:23,970
have.

1024
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:25,830
I should be able to do that some

1025
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:27,250
other way than the way I'm doing it.

1026
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:29,310
But, but anyway, yeah.

1027
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:29,770
Okay.

1028
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:31,310
We'll, we'll do that.

1029
00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:37,690
Which uh, that means another change of course,

1030
00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:39,390
in all fees.

1031
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:39,690
That's okay though.

1032
00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:39,910
Yeah.

1033
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:40,930
That's okay.

1034
00:37:40,930 --> 00:37:45,130
Because we, we, we did use podcast index

1035
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:46,610
at podcastindex.org.

1036
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:47,450
Yeah.

1037
00:37:48,070 --> 00:37:49,090
That's the lightning address.

1038
00:37:49,330 --> 00:37:50,390
So right, right, right.

1039
00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:54,270
I mean, right now it redirects through podcastindex

1040
00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:59,150
at getalpy.com, but we, but, but it's

1041
00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:00,850
bouncing, it's bouncing like it's a redirect.

1042
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:02,730
So it should be fine if we just

1043
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:03,530
shoot it somewhere else.

1044
00:38:04,070 --> 00:38:04,170
Okay.

1045
00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:05,830
Well, I'm almost here.

1046
00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:07,130
Let me check our node.

1047
00:38:07,230 --> 00:38:07,590
Okay.

1048
00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:11,130
I have a separate device for that.

1049
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:16,570
This is very, uh, I'm very, uh, security

1050
00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:17,090
minded.

1051
00:38:18,450 --> 00:38:18,970
Yeah.

1052
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:21,770
That's what happens after you get a Bitcoin

1053
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:23,550
miner on your VM.

1054
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:28,030
It changes, it changes, it changes your whole,

1055
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:29,530
your whole attitude, man.

1056
00:38:30,990 --> 00:38:31,430
Okay.

1057
00:38:31,450 --> 00:38:32,090
Here we go.

1058
00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:33,450
Podcast index.

1059
00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:34,950
All right.

1060
00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:35,570
Channels.

1061
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:36,870
Let me check the channels.

1062
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:38,450
How many channels do we have?

1063
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:43,390
Well, we have a lot of capacity, baby.

1064
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:46,230
We had 116.

1065
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:46,670
You're right.

1066
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:47,690
I thought it was more than that.

1067
00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:48,990
116 channels.

1068
00:38:49,610 --> 00:38:51,690
It used to be like 120 plus, I

1069
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:51,910
think.

1070
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:52,450
Yeah.

1071
00:38:52,690 --> 00:38:55,150
Sending capacity, 22 million.

1072
00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:58,470
Receiving capacity, 225 million.

1073
00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:01,210
Offline, 43 million.

1074
00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:04,210
Gosh, that's pretty bad.

1075
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:06,270
Why?

1076
00:39:06,570 --> 00:39:08,710
Well, it's just, just dead channels.

1077
00:39:10,030 --> 00:39:11,650
Oh, oh yeah, that is bad.

1078
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:12,690
Yeah.

1079
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:14,730
Well, they eventually close.

1080
00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:20,450
Well, I mean, our, our global rank for

1081
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:23,090
channel capacity is 118.

1082
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:23,710
Really?

1083
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:25,010
Our global rank?

1084
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:28,490
We're 118 in the entire lightning infrastructure?

1085
00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:28,890
Yes.

1086
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:29,350
Wow.

1087
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:29,790
Yes.

1088
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:30,650
Wow.

1089
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:34,110
Our capacity rank is like 368, but right.

1090
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:37,450
But our channel, our channel rank is 118.

1091
00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:38,310
That's not bad.

1092
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:39,270
A fan.

1093
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:39,890
Yeah.

1094
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:39,990
Yeah.

1095
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:40,610
That's cool.

1096
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:42,230
We have so much.

1097
00:39:42,350 --> 00:39:43,930
So, I mean, but the balance of these

1098
00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:46,290
nodes is beautiful, man.

1099
00:39:46,330 --> 00:39:47,470
We're, we're well balanced.

1100
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:48,430
We're very balanced.

1101
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:49,830
We don't need any meds.

1102
00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:53,050
We're well balanced.

1103
00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:53,890
Yeah.

1104
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:55,370
Yeah.

1105
00:39:55,930 --> 00:39:56,270
Okay.

1106
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:56,730
Cool.

1107
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:57,310
All right.

1108
00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:58,550
Well, I feel happier about that.

1109
00:39:58,770 --> 00:39:58,910
Yeah.

1110
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:59,670
I'll set up a node.

1111
00:39:59,890 --> 00:40:01,070
We'll get that rocking.

1112
00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:04,150
That's, that's probably the best way to do

1113
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:04,270
it.

1114
00:40:04,290 --> 00:40:05,950
And we don't want, because we're basically, we

1115
00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:08,610
are basically creating a DDoS for Albi Hub.

1116
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:10,310
For get Albi.

1117
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:10,410
Yeah.

1118
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:11,870
And I, and I, I mean, I don't

1119
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:12,790
want to do that to them.

1120
00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:13,510
No, no.

1121
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:17,890
Um, let's see.

1122
00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:21,950
Nice to see RSS.com going hyperlocal.

1123
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:23,870
Oh yeah.

1124
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:26,590
That, and, and yeah, pushing the location tag.

1125
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:27,010
That's great.

1126
00:40:27,090 --> 00:40:27,410
Yeah.

1127
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:28,270
I like that a lot.

1128
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:29,510
That's very cool.

1129
00:40:30,690 --> 00:40:33,650
So now do you have to be hyperlocal

1130
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:34,450
to do that?

1131
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:36,490
I don't think so.

1132
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:37,210
Here.

1133
00:40:37,450 --> 00:40:39,050
I think you have, you have to include

1134
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:39,890
a location.

1135
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:40,830
Location tag.

1136
00:40:40,930 --> 00:40:41,150
Yeah.

1137
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:41,690
Yeah.

1138
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:42,530
Let me see.

1139
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:44,050
That's rad, man.

1140
00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:45,550
I think it is too.

1141
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:46,590
I like it a lot.

1142
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:47,190
Let me see.

1143
00:40:47,350 --> 00:40:48,430
That's rad, man.

1144
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:48,990
Yeah, man.

1145
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:49,950
That's super rad.

1146
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:50,570
Let me see.

1147
00:40:51,010 --> 00:40:52,630
Start your podcast free.

1148
00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:54,630
Let me see.

1149
00:40:55,090 --> 00:40:57,150
Free podcast hosting made simple.

1150
00:40:57,390 --> 00:40:59,070
Doesn't care how simple it is.

1151
00:40:59,070 --> 00:41:02,710
As long as it's free, man, everybody's bolting

1152
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:03,730
on hosting now.

1153
00:41:04,270 --> 00:41:05,450
Isn't that interesting?

1154
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:07,670
And they have, I think many don't really

1155
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:08,770
know what they're getting into.

1156
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:12,690
I think I agree with you because hosting

1157
00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:16,850
you're basically your number besides getting the files

1158
00:41:16,850 --> 00:41:21,210
out right after that comes stats.

1159
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:25,810
And if you don't have pretty charts and

1160
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:29,790
graphs and pie charts and, uh, and maps

1161
00:41:29,790 --> 00:41:33,750
and, uh, every single detail you're dead.

1162
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:37,710
This, this is what people think is important.

1163
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:41,430
Bandwidth, then stats, then support.

1164
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:44,470
Bandwidth seems to be less of an issue

1165
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:44,970
somehow.

1166
00:41:47,570 --> 00:41:48,010
Hmm.

1167
00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:48,450
Yeah.

1168
00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:50,690
I'm not sure why, but that just seems

1169
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:52,210
to be less, less and less of an

1170
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:52,430
issue.

1171
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:56,050
I think a lot of people are, a

1172
00:41:56,050 --> 00:41:59,390
lot of people who are hosting small amounts

1173
00:41:59,390 --> 00:42:04,330
of podcasts are in the, what would you

1174
00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:04,750
call that?

1175
00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:08,650
Like the, they're in the fog of these

1176
00:42:08,650 --> 00:42:10,630
CDNs where they, where they're just sort of

1177
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:13,270
like hiding in the shadows of these CDNs.

1178
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:16,730
But as soon as, if they break out

1179
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:20,230
over a certain threshold and the CDN sees

1180
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:21,910
what they're doing, you get a phone call

1181
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:26,070
and it's not a fun phone call because

1182
00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:27,670
you get a phone call from Cloudflare that

1183
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:30,110
says, Hey, yeah, we've noticed, uh, your, your

1184
00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:30,490
traffic.

1185
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:32,050
You've got a lot of egress.

1186
00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:33,070
Yeah.

1187
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:35,730
Your egress traffic is, uh, has spiked unless

1188
00:42:35,730 --> 00:42:38,010
you, and it looks like it's sustained now

1189
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:40,190
at, uh, at around this number of terabytes

1190
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:40,710
per month.

1191
00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:41,270
Yeah.

1192
00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:42,630
We're going to need you to upgrade to

1193
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:43,690
our enterprise plan.

1194
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:44,070
Yeah.

1195
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:47,190
Um, our first, uh, our first estimate is

1196
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:49,650
probably going to be about, um, $5,000.

1197
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:50,530
Yeah.

1198
00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:51,790
About 20 grand a month.

1199
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:53,670
Does that, does that work for you?

1200
00:42:53,850 --> 00:42:54,230
Yeah.

1201
00:42:54,270 --> 00:42:55,230
Does that work for you?

1202
00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:56,290
Yeah.

1203
00:42:56,530 --> 00:42:57,810
Not a fun phone call.

1204
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:58,630
No.

1205
00:42:58,730 --> 00:43:00,710
And it goes from like $20 a month

1206
00:43:00,710 --> 00:43:02,510
to like thousands.

1207
00:43:02,510 --> 00:43:03,610
Yeah, exactly.

1208
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:04,930
There's not an in-between.

1209
00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:05,430
Yeah.

1210
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:07,250
And the second, you know, the next thing

1211
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:10,610
is customer support and people, because you're just

1212
00:43:10,610 --> 00:43:12,190
going to get people saying, you know, my

1213
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:13,850
podcast didn't upload to Apple.

1214
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:19,930
I mean, yes, R2 has, uh, Cloudflare R2

1215
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:24,330
has free bandwidth, but still there, every provider

1216
00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:26,910
that says they give you free egress, there

1217
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:29,810
is a clause in their terms that allow

1218
00:43:29,810 --> 00:43:31,390
them to give you that phone call.

1219
00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:35,950
It, I promise you is not free infinitely.

1220
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:38,490
If you hit a certain threshold, you do,

1221
00:43:38,590 --> 00:43:41,030
they are not going to, you're going to

1222
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:41,570
have to pay.

1223
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:43,710
And I, I still, you know, someone else

1224
00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:46,530
asked me about this the other day, IPFS

1225
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:48,130
podcasting.com or.net.

1226
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:48,830
I think it is.

1227
00:43:48,850 --> 00:43:49,490
Is it.net?

1228
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:50,450
Let me see.

1229
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:51,670
Yeah.

1230
00:43:52,530 --> 00:43:52,750
Yeah.

1231
00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:54,570
That works.

1232
00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:57,250
I mean, it's still just works beautifully.

1233
00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:59,230
And if you look at the map on

1234
00:43:59,230 --> 00:44:04,990
IPFS podcasting.net, man, there's coverage and this

1235
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:07,130
are y'all still running a node?

1236
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:08,250
I am an exit now.

1237
00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:08,630
Yeah.

1238
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:11,750
Didn't a void zero build one?

1239
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:13,870
I think he still is.

1240
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:15,730
Um, let me see.

1241
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:16,870
Yeah, I think so.

1242
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:18,410
I'm just looking at the map and it

1243
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:21,330
looks like, yeah, yeah, that's him.

1244
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:22,670
That's him.

1245
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:24,450
That loser.

1246
00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:26,450
He's sitting there on the map.

1247
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:28,390
I think he is running one.

1248
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:31,890
Now, of course there's, you know, there are

1249
00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:35,370
issues, uh, but not that much.

1250
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:37,330
I mean, it's a pretty stable network and

1251
00:44:37,330 --> 00:44:38,610
I'm still running a node.

1252
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:39,350
Let me see.

1253
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:40,230
Manage.

1254
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:40,730
Okay.

1255
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:42,570
This feels good.

1256
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:44,330
I haven't looked at this in months.

1257
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:46,510
Uh, yeah.

1258
00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:47,630
Yes.

1259
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:51,270
All my feeds are still up, uh, and

1260
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:55,050
they're current and they're active and they're pinned

1261
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:56,570
by tons of servers.

1262
00:44:57,110 --> 00:45:00,090
I mean, it's, it's really, it's, let me

1263
00:45:00,090 --> 00:45:00,810
see node.

1264
00:45:01,050 --> 00:45:03,010
Let me see what node tells me.

1265
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:06,450
I was running two, but my, uh, one

1266
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:08,870
was it, uh, what's that, uh, that home

1267
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:09,510
bake stuff.

1268
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:12,470
Not the start nine, but the, uh, the

1269
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:12,930
other one.

1270
00:45:13,570 --> 00:45:14,050
Yeah.

1271
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:15,010
That died.

1272
00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:16,550
Yeah.

1273
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:18,250
It's funny you say that.

1274
00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:19,850
Cause my umbrella died today.

1275
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:20,370
Yeah.

1276
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:21,710
It just dies.

1277
00:45:22,310 --> 00:45:23,590
I don't know what happened.

1278
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:25,090
I didn't do anything here.

1279
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:27,670
My, my, uh, let's see.

1280
00:45:28,850 --> 00:45:29,810
Goodness gracious.

1281
00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:31,070
This is amazing.

1282
00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:35,350
I mean, I'm look, I'm hosting smashing security,

1283
00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:39,250
all twit TV shows, the Ezra Klein show.

1284
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:40,690
Hey, get him off.

1285
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:44,050
V for Valentine pivot, pivot, pivot.

1286
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:44,930
I'm hosting pivot.

1287
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:45,930
Are you hosting pivot?

1288
00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:46,230
Yeah.

1289
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:49,690
Apparently that's in the limited 48 hour episodes,

1290
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:50,570
uh, bin.

1291
00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:52,570
How are you hosting pivot?

1292
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:54,590
They don't include IPFS in their RSS.

1293
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:56,030
Someone's doing it.

1294
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:56,750
Let's take a look.

1295
00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:59,150
Um, let me see.

1296
00:45:59,450 --> 00:46:00,330
Let me click on that.

1297
00:46:00,330 --> 00:46:01,870
Let me see what information I get.

1298
00:46:02,330 --> 00:46:02,770
Yeah.

1299
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:04,590
New York mag doc.

1300
00:46:04,690 --> 00:46:06,070
I mean, I don't need their permission.

1301
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:08,310
Someone can just add it.

1302
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:11,930
You don't need permission to host somebody's feed

1303
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:14,920
on IPFS.

1304
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,640
Doesn't have to be out.

1305
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:20,800
Doesn't have to go out through, don't you

1306
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,400
have to reference it in the enclosure?

1307
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,080
Well, that's a good, uh, that's a good,

1308
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:29,580
uh, good question.

1309
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,740
I don't re I mean, someone's doing it.

1310
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,380
So they're losing click somewhere.

1311
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:38,300
Yeah.

1312
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,000
But I'm just saying it, it works.

1313
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:43,720
I mean, it's a, it's an amazing system

1314
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:50,180
and I'm seeing so many node connections, thousands,

1315
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:52,860
thousands of nodes can node connections.

1316
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:54,780
I should say I have 23 peers.

1317
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:58,290
That's not bad.

1318
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:59,530
That's, that's right.

1319
00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:01,090
I forgot Eric, Eric Pippy's right.

1320
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:02,590
It gives you a different feed.

1321
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:03,930
It like proxies the feed.

1322
00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:04,870
Yeah, that's it.

1323
00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:05,530
Yeah, that's right.

1324
00:47:06,610 --> 00:47:11,270
So, you know, I mean, that still works.

1325
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:15,730
It's still a thing for, you know, for,

1326
00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:17,850
for, you know, I mean you can build

1327
00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:19,510
a hosting company on that.

1328
00:47:21,090 --> 00:47:22,750
RSS.com still runs an exit node.

1329
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:23,970
Oh, they're one of the biggest.

1330
00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:24,310
Yeah.

1331
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:27,170
Cause those guys care about the community.

1332
00:47:28,090 --> 00:47:30,390
I care about speaking of caring about the

1333
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:30,830
community.

1334
00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:31,510
Here we go.

1335
00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:38,130
Can we talk about apple apple's directory in

1336
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:39,530
relationship to our directory?

1337
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:40,170
Yes.

1338
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:40,970
Good idea.

1339
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:46,070
I've seen the posts pod stage go click.

1340
00:47:47,550 --> 00:47:53,280
Um, I mean, I'm gonna, so the way

1341
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,980
that the way this came up is, is

1342
00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:56,680
James posts in and James, not the first

1343
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:57,640
person to post this.

1344
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,540
I mean, this, this is just a known

1345
00:47:59,540 --> 00:48:03,520
issue with, with the index, but, uh, he's

1346
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,300
the most recent person to post about that.

1347
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,860
Some of the, some of the, um, feed

1348
00:48:09,860 --> 00:48:13,160
URLs don't jive, man.

1349
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,000
Yeah.

1350
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Some of the feed URLs in the index

1351
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,080
do not match what apple podcast shows as

1352
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,560
the feed index as the feed URL.

1353
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,400
So given a show, uh, like what, you

1354
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,040
know, whatever, focus on the family, uh, Joe

1355
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,660
Rogan, anything you take a show and that

1356
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:32,300
feed URL, we show something different than when

1357
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:33,760
apple podcasts shows.

1358
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,100
Yeah.

1359
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,760
So, um, you could call this a problem

1360
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,460
with keeping, keeping the podcast directories in sync.

1361
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:48,320
Um, which is what Marco used to do

1362
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,920
for us.

1363
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:51,280
True.

1364
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,020
And still does.

1365
00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:52,800
Oh, he still does.

1366
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,080
Okay.

1367
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:53,600
Yes.

1368
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,080
He's still running his sync agent.

1369
00:48:55,340 --> 00:49:00,300
And when he has, but there's reasons that,

1370
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:05,370
um, yes, we do, Daniel, we do update

1371
00:49:05,370 --> 00:49:07,730
by the way, feed redirects void zero just

1372
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:10,470
said running IPFS on all servers.

1373
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:13,770
We HTTP 302 forward everything that is not

1374
00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:17,830
audio file to IPFS.io. Okay.

1375
00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:18,290
Okay.

1376
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:18,850
There you go.

1377
00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:19,270
Okay.

1378
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:26,850
Uh, so I'm going to be in to

1379
00:49:26,850 --> 00:49:27,650
Daniel's question.

1380
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:29,910
He said his podcast index updating feed redirects.

1381
00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:31,810
Yes, we do.

1382
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:37,410
We've always done that, but this is part

1383
00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:38,090
of the problem.

1384
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:39,930
People don't know about this.

1385
00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:42,790
Uh, some of the biggest organizations in the

1386
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:44,330
world don't know about this.

1387
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:45,070
We've seen it.

1388
00:49:45,590 --> 00:49:46,110
Correct.

1389
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:48,330
And they just go, I'm just moving to

1390
00:49:48,330 --> 00:49:48,690
host.

1391
00:49:48,910 --> 00:49:50,870
I'll just change it in apple podcast.

1392
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:51,190
Connect.

1393
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:51,930
Good to go.

1394
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:56,630
And so I'm going to be, I'm going

1395
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:58,070
to be very, I'm going to be upfront

1396
00:49:58,070 --> 00:50:00,830
and honest about this whole conversation is I

1397
00:50:00,830 --> 00:50:01,650
don't know.

1398
00:50:03,130 --> 00:50:06,510
I've got an idea, but I don't know

1399
00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:08,790
how, but, but in general, I don't know

1400
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:10,530
how to solve this because I think part

1401
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:12,570
of, I think it's partly not solvable.

1402
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:18,590
Um, but I think this needs, I would

1403
00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:22,230
like to see a community based effort around

1404
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:30,710
getting, getting something better going here.

1405
00:50:31,090 --> 00:50:35,790
So, so realizing that like to realize the

1406
00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:39,270
true complexity of, of keeping these things in

1407
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:45,570
sync, um, you, you have to start with

1408
00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:50,670
mentally decoupling yourself from this idea that Apple's

1409
00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:52,410
directory is authoritative.

1410
00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:53,810
Yes.

1411
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:56,710
This is the, this is the issue that

1412
00:50:56,710 --> 00:51:06,050
comes universally sync, the meaning multiple computers or

1413
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:08,690
pieces of software that have to stay in

1414
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:11,470
quote unquote, sync with one another is one

1415
00:51:11,470 --> 00:51:14,050
of the hardest, hardest problems in the universe.

1416
00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:16,150
It is very difficult.

1417
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:16,770
Always has.

1418
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:18,650
That's why, that's one of the reasons why

1419
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:21,870
Dropbox was such a power in the beginning

1420
00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:23,730
is because they did this very well.

1421
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:26,430
It seemed when you, this is just like

1422
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:27,530
RSS feed parsing.

1423
00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:29,450
When you first go into this, you think

1424
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:30,070
it's easy.

1425
00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:34,750
And then you hit all the problems and

1426
00:51:34,750 --> 00:51:38,270
you know, three months into a project, you're

1427
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:39,870
tearing your hair out.

1428
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:44,430
And so, um, but you can have to

1429
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:50,350
decouple from this, from this feeling, this, this

1430
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:55,930
sort of emotional attachment to Apple's directory being

1431
00:51:55,930 --> 00:51:56,770
the authority.

1432
00:51:57,690 --> 00:51:59,730
And I'm saying this up front, but then

1433
00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:00,870
I'm going to contradict myself.

1434
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:01,170
Okay.

1435
00:52:01,250 --> 00:52:02,990
I'm, I'm, I'm just telling you, this is

1436
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:03,630
going to be messy.

1437
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:09,950
I realized that arguments can be made that

1438
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:14,110
Apple's directory is authoritative and I'm not really

1439
00:52:14,110 --> 00:52:18,310
even going to like, uh, you know, I'm,

1440
00:52:18,330 --> 00:52:19,970
I'm not going to even go against that.

1441
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:24,170
But I'm saying that it, what I'm saying

1442
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:25,910
is it should not be right.

1443
00:52:27,110 --> 00:52:33,330
If our, if, if, if RSS, RSS is

1444
00:52:33,330 --> 00:52:37,270
open source, podcasting is built on open source

1445
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:37,850
foundations.

1446
00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:39,490
It is a open protocol.

1447
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:43,210
And the whole reason that the podcast index

1448
00:52:43,210 --> 00:52:49,110
exists is to try to make it so

1449
00:52:49,110 --> 00:52:51,610
that podcasting is not controlled by one single

1450
00:52:51,610 --> 00:52:52,590
closed corporation.

1451
00:52:53,530 --> 00:52:56,890
And like it or not, whoever controls the

1452
00:52:56,890 --> 00:53:01,290
directory controls podcasting to a certain degree.

1453
00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:06,530
Because if you can't, people do not search

1454
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:08,070
for RSS feed URLs.

1455
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:09,910
They search for names.

1456
00:53:10,570 --> 00:53:12,450
They search for titles.

1457
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:15,330
They search for shows in a way that

1458
00:53:15,330 --> 00:53:19,270
is disconnected from the URL of the podcast

1459
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:19,910
feed.

1460
00:53:20,490 --> 00:53:23,390
And while it's true that the podcast feed

1461
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:26,950
will always work and is not dependent, that's

1462
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:28,150
not dependent on Apple.

1463
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:35,130
The finding the podcast requires a directory, at

1464
00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:36,470
least at this stage of the game.

1465
00:53:36,670 --> 00:53:38,290
This is already sounding like it's going to

1466
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:40,970
end up in a SETI at home situation.

1467
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:47,090
Yeah, yeah, Eric, exactly.

1468
00:53:47,250 --> 00:53:50,070
We, this, this project started because, you know,

1469
00:53:50,070 --> 00:53:55,830
we wanted to decouple podcasting from Apple's control.

1470
00:53:58,670 --> 00:54:02,330
But again, I don't think you can be

1471
00:54:02,330 --> 00:54:06,450
an idealist or some sort of utopian, you

1472
00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:07,790
know, dreamer here.

1473
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:10,730
I think you have to be realistic.

1474
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:18,250
And one of the reasons that, so maybe

1475
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:20,130
this is a good way to say it.

1476
00:54:21,350 --> 00:54:30,230
While I have convictions that Apple's directory should

1477
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:31,430
not be authoritative.

1478
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:36,770
And I also have good reasons to show

1479
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:38,790
that it also has problems.

1480
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:42,250
Just because they show that something has a

1481
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:44,070
certain feed URL, that doesn't mean it's true.

1482
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:47,670
They have bad data just like we do.

1483
00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:52,870
I know because I send them emails sometimes

1484
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:54,590
to let them know that, you know, that

1485
00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:56,190
they have spam in there or they have,

1486
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:57,030
you know, problems.

1487
00:54:59,130 --> 00:55:07,270
The, so the one advantage that they have

1488
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:13,450
is, and this is again, sort of theoretical,

1489
00:55:14,430 --> 00:55:16,730
but the one advantage they have is that

1490
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:20,370
podcasters go and change their feed URL in

1491
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:21,190
their directory.

1492
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:21,670
Yeah.

1493
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:26,530
That is a real advantage.

1494
00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:28,570
It's a signal from the owner of the,

1495
00:55:28,570 --> 00:55:32,250
of the show that says, I own this

1496
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:34,910
show and I'm telling you, Apple, here's what

1497
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:36,790
my podcast feed URL is.

1498
00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:37,310
Right.

1499
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:39,390
Now that is authoritative.

1500
00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:43,650
Something, something, something we can't even do for

1501
00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:44,550
this very show.

1502
00:55:45,330 --> 00:55:45,950
We cannot.

1503
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:47,870
Because we've been put in there by someone

1504
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:48,710
we don't know who.

1505
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:49,970
Right.

1506
00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:50,570
Yep.

1507
00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:52,210
Yep.

1508
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:56,030
And that's, and so their authority doesn't come

1509
00:55:56,030 --> 00:56:00,930
from their largesse or anything like that.

1510
00:56:00,970 --> 00:56:03,010
It comes mostly from the fact that they

1511
00:56:03,010 --> 00:56:10,470
get firsthand attribution in many cases that what

1512
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:11,910
their day, that the data they have is

1513
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:15,190
correct from the podcast owner.

1514
00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:19,110
And that's something we don't have.

1515
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:20,910
We search around in the dark.

1516
00:56:21,830 --> 00:56:23,850
We see through a glass dimly.

1517
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:25,430
Ah, there it is.

1518
00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:27,210
We've got scripture in the podcast.

1519
00:56:27,310 --> 00:56:28,090
Good work.

1520
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:31,790
So, but, but we have advantages.

1521
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:34,990
We get, we get podcasts much faster than

1522
00:56:34,990 --> 00:56:35,590
Apple does.

1523
00:56:35,710 --> 00:56:35,970
Yeah.

1524
00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:39,110
You know, things go into the index through

1525
00:56:39,110 --> 00:56:39,390
pod.

1526
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:41,230
I mean, so fast.

1527
00:56:41,290 --> 00:56:41,530
Yeah.

1528
00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:43,470
It's crazy how fast we get stuff.

1529
00:56:44,350 --> 00:56:48,850
Uh, but you know, so then you have

1530
00:56:48,850 --> 00:56:51,550
this bottom line, neither Apple podcast, nor us

1531
00:56:51,550 --> 00:56:52,770
is right.

1532
00:56:52,810 --> 00:56:54,130
100% of the time.

1533
00:56:54,350 --> 00:56:54,830
Correct.

1534
00:56:55,410 --> 00:56:56,310
Sometimes they're wrong.

1535
00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:57,150
Sometimes we're wrong.

1536
00:56:57,470 --> 00:57:00,850
And I've seen plenty of instances where we,

1537
00:57:01,010 --> 00:57:02,690
this is a con let me, let me,

1538
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:04,030
this is a common thing that happens.

1539
00:57:04,090 --> 00:57:05,010
Let me describe this.

1540
00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:07,690
We get a support email that says, Hey,

1541
00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:13,670
my show is, um, my feed URL changed.

1542
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:16,330
I moved from captivate to bus route.

1543
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:20,890
And, uh, here's my feed on the index.

1544
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:23,150
And can you please up here's my show

1545
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:23,470
on the index.

1546
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:25,490
Can you please upgrade, update my feed URL

1547
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:28,410
to be, uh, this new hosting, which, uh,

1548
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:30,210
by the way, uh, coming to you from

1549
00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:32,650
the success desk is not possible.

1550
00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:35,250
If you potty, if you have submitted your

1551
00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:39,370
new feed to the index, this becomes impossible.

1552
00:57:39,550 --> 00:57:39,810
Yeah.

1553
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:44,730
Uh, so we get that email and it

1554
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:45,890
says, Hey, my feed's wrong.

1555
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:48,290
So what I do is I go and

1556
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:52,850
I do, I look it up and I

1557
00:57:52,850 --> 00:57:55,330
see that they have an iTunes ID that's

1558
00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:56,450
connected to this show.

1559
00:57:57,090 --> 00:58:00,430
You click on the iTunes ID and the

1560
00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:03,510
iTunes ID still shows the old incorrect URL.

1561
00:58:04,610 --> 00:58:07,190
And so that's the one we have because

1562
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:09,330
we stay, we try to stay in sync.

1563
00:58:10,510 --> 00:58:12,750
And I say try because it's not successful

1564
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:14,090
all the time, but we try to stay

1565
00:58:14,090 --> 00:58:14,610
in sync.

1566
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:19,330
And that means not changing a URL.

1567
00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:22,110
If Apple still shows that they have a

1568
00:58:22,110 --> 00:58:22,510
URL.

1569
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:23,930
Wow.

1570
00:58:24,190 --> 00:58:26,670
So that leads to a problem that leads

1571
00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:28,030
to this secondary problem.

1572
00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:32,270
Secondary problem is here's the way that happens.

1573
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:36,990
Somebody moves to a different hosting company, that

1574
00:58:36,990 --> 00:58:40,930
hosting company posts, it publishes that feed.

1575
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:41,910
Ah, pod ping.

1576
00:58:42,010 --> 00:58:42,290
Hello.

1577
00:58:42,510 --> 00:58:44,330
New, new entry on the index.

1578
00:58:44,530 --> 00:58:44,910
Got it.

1579
00:58:45,070 --> 00:58:45,230
Yep.

1580
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:46,590
Now they get two shows.

1581
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:47,150
Yeah.

1582
00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:51,550
They, even with a redirect, we will not

1583
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:53,550
update that show if it's not been updated

1584
00:58:53,550 --> 00:58:54,550
in Apple podcasts.

1585
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:54,990
Right.

1586
00:58:55,070 --> 00:58:56,130
But now there's two shows.

1587
00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:59,910
Then later they go back and change their

1588
00:58:59,910 --> 00:59:01,750
URL in Apple podcasts.

1589
00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:06,150
Now we have to do this heuristic dance

1590
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:09,910
where we try to figure out is the

1591
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:13,050
podcast in, okay, somebody has, uh, there's now

1592
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:14,950
a redirect from this URL to this other

1593
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:17,410
URL and Apple podcast concurs with that.

1594
00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:19,050
But we also have a, we can now

1595
00:59:19,050 --> 00:59:21,370
have a secondary show with a conflict that

1596
00:59:21,370 --> 00:59:23,010
also says they have that URL.

1597
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:25,970
Is that in podcast index ID higher?

1598
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:26,850
Hmm.

1599
00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:30,670
If it is okay, make the assume, assume,

1600
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:30,970
yeah.

1601
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:32,530
Delete and make the change.

1602
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:35,350
If it's not, don't make the change.

1603
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:38,010
But it can also be a, here's a

1604
00:59:38,010 --> 00:59:40,510
third problem can also be a hijacked feed.

1605
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:41,910
True.

1606
00:59:42,110 --> 00:59:42,350
Yes.

1607
00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:45,570
I see a lot of those people, not

1608
00:59:45,570 --> 00:59:50,650
even malice intended, you know, we, we actually

1609
00:59:50,650 --> 00:59:52,990
know we had a customer who was like,

1610
00:59:53,010 --> 00:59:54,670
oh, I, uh, I don't like the artwork

1611
00:59:54,670 --> 00:59:56,310
on that feed.

1612
00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:59,070
So I just created a new feed and

1613
00:59:59,070 --> 01:00:00,730
it syncs up with the old feed with

1614
01:00:00,730 --> 01:00:01,390
a new artwork.

1615
01:00:01,790 --> 01:00:04,210
Well, you've just created a double entry.

1616
01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:05,610
Yeah.

1617
01:00:06,190 --> 01:00:06,710
Yep.

1618
01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:08,610
Bad.

1619
01:00:08,810 --> 01:00:12,390
It's a bad, bad, bad customer.

1620
01:00:13,950 --> 01:00:15,510
But, okay.

1621
01:00:15,550 --> 01:00:18,290
So I think you could say it this

1622
01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:23,100
way in the, in the absence of a

1623
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:30,540
clear intent from the podcast owner themselves, it

1624
01:00:30,540 --> 01:00:34,140
is, it truly is impossible to determine which

1625
01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:35,520
feed URL is correct.

1626
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:39,460
I think that's the statement of fact that

1627
01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:41,200
we, that we sort of like go to

1628
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:41,960
step two with.

1629
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:44,180
If you don't have a clear intent from

1630
01:00:44,180 --> 01:00:49,320
the podcast creator, you will not know ever

1631
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,300
whether the feed URL you have is the

1632
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:52,920
right one.

1633
01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:59,040
And Apple has more contact with the podcast

1634
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:00,840
creator than we do.

1635
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:04,080
Those are two statements that I feel are

1636
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:04,600
factual.

1637
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:10,490
Now comes, what do we do about that?

1638
01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:13,650
If I just scrape Apple podcast directory all

1639
01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:17,790
the time, which we could do, uh, then

1640
01:01:17,790 --> 01:01:18,650
why do we exist?

1641
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:19,430
Yep.

1642
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:25,730
So that's, that's again, and we know why

1643
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:26,470
we exist.

1644
01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:33,130
We exist to return podcasting to ownership by

1645
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:37,130
a community of creators and hosts and hosters.

1646
01:01:37,930 --> 01:01:40,630
We, we don't want it to be owned

1647
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:41,470
by a corporation.

1648
01:01:41,470 --> 01:01:48,950
So my, the idea that I have is,

1649
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:50,710
is, is sort of vague and loose.

1650
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:54,970
Oh, we love that.

1651
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:56,130
Vague and loose.

1652
01:01:56,130 --> 01:01:56,830
Vague and loose.

1653
01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:57,970
That's how I like my women.

1654
01:01:59,990 --> 01:02:01,290
Vague and loose.

1655
01:02:03,410 --> 01:02:05,510
The loose part I get, the vague part

1656
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:06,170
is confusing.

1657
01:02:06,290 --> 01:02:07,530
Baby, just be vague with me.

1658
01:02:07,610 --> 01:02:09,070
I don't need to know exactly what you're

1659
01:02:09,070 --> 01:02:09,290
thinking.

1660
01:02:09,290 --> 01:02:11,750
Look, just, just don't get specific.

1661
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:12,770
That's all I ask.

1662
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:13,010
Okay.

1663
01:02:13,330 --> 01:02:13,630
Yeah.

1664
01:02:13,970 --> 01:02:14,970
Pour me another drink.

1665
01:02:19,570 --> 01:02:22,590
So here's, here's sort of like a rough

1666
01:02:22,590 --> 01:02:23,810
sketch of this idea.

1667
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:28,130
I, for years ago, I bought this podcast.

1668
01:02:28,310 --> 01:02:30,710
I bought this domain called move your podcast

1669
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:31,310
.com.

1670
01:02:31,310 --> 01:02:31,910
Ooh.

1671
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:34,550
Uh-huh.

1672
01:02:34,610 --> 01:02:34,970
It's good.

1673
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:38,130
And I didn't know really why I grabbed

1674
01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:38,250
it.

1675
01:02:38,290 --> 01:02:40,150
I just grabbed it and I was like,

1676
01:02:40,310 --> 01:02:41,690
Hey, this sounds kind of interesting.

1677
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:43,070
We could do something with this later.

1678
01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:44,350
Ooh.

1679
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:45,770
I feel where you're going.

1680
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:46,890
I'm liking it already.

1681
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:47,310
Okay.

1682
01:02:48,830 --> 01:02:52,630
So the, I, my idea is why don't

1683
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:58,930
we as a community, meaning the PSP podcasting

1684
01:02:58,930 --> 01:03:03,930
2.0 people, um, you know, uh, James,

1685
01:03:04,290 --> 01:03:08,110
everybody, why don't we all come together and

1686
01:03:08,110 --> 01:03:08,970
we, and this has happened.

1687
01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:10,570
We've done things like this before.

1688
01:03:10,650 --> 01:03:15,230
Why don't we come together and create a

1689
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:18,110
website at move your podcast.com?

1690
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:19,670
I will don't, I will just give that

1691
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:23,230
domain to whoever, you know, uh, wants to

1692
01:03:23,230 --> 01:03:23,570
control it.

1693
01:03:23,610 --> 01:03:24,790
I'll give it to the PSP or whatever.

1694
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:28,630
Why don't we create a website that will

1695
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:36,970
interface directly with creators where they can, uh,

1696
01:03:37,610 --> 01:03:41,650
verify their ownership in the new fancy ways

1697
01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:44,010
that we do that, you know, not just

1698
01:03:44,010 --> 01:03:46,950
email, but also, you know, the TXT record

1699
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:48,350
and the tokens and all this kind of

1700
01:03:48,350 --> 01:03:48,550
stuff.

1701
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:52,850
Uh, we throw a website together and then

1702
01:03:52,850 --> 01:03:57,410
we verify ownership and then we ask, and

1703
01:03:57,410 --> 01:04:02,210
then that web, they can tell us where

1704
01:04:02,210 --> 01:04:06,170
their podcast is and it will be an

1705
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:14,510
open source community owned resource for getting this

1706
01:04:14,510 --> 01:04:17,170
information directly from the podcast owner.

1707
01:04:17,830 --> 01:04:20,710
And then we will take that information and

1708
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:22,850
distribute it to everyone.

1709
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:28,070
It'll go that whatever gets put in, whatever

1710
01:04:28,070 --> 01:04:30,810
the owner says that their feed URL is

1711
01:04:30,810 --> 01:04:34,590
on that side, we will, we will treat

1712
01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:36,690
that as absolutely authoritative.

1713
01:04:36,690 --> 01:04:39,170
And we will, we will put that in

1714
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:41,810
their feed as in their podcast, as their

1715
01:04:41,810 --> 01:04:46,590
feed URL immediately with no ifs, ands, or

1716
01:04:46,590 --> 01:04:46,950
buts.

1717
01:04:47,850 --> 01:04:51,890
Then we will push something out through pod

1718
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:55,510
ping, maybe a new act, a new, uh,

1719
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:58,650
verb or action type through pod ping saying,

1720
01:04:58,650 --> 01:05:02,430
uh, state as, as, and this would be

1721
01:05:02,430 --> 01:05:04,870
sort of like a, simply a statement of

1722
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:08,750
fact instead of, you know, like the update

1723
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:10,530
action in pod ping, we could see, we

1724
01:05:10,530 --> 01:05:12,070
could do something and I'll run this by

1725
01:05:12,070 --> 01:05:14,070
Alex and see what his thoughts are on

1726
01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:14,190
it.

1727
01:05:14,550 --> 01:05:18,570
We could do something like, um, uh, a

1728
01:05:18,570 --> 01:05:19,030
test.

1729
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:23,970
So this is an attestation from a verified

1730
01:05:23,970 --> 01:05:28,170
podcast creator that this show is the author,

1731
01:05:28,290 --> 01:05:30,850
is the true URL for their podcast.

1732
01:05:31,650 --> 01:05:33,870
And that gets distributed out through pod ping.

1733
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:36,950
Then all the directories that are monitoring pod

1734
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:38,610
ping can say, Oh, there we go.

1735
01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:41,590
We have a, we've just got an authoritative

1736
01:05:41,590 --> 01:05:45,490
voice saying I am the owner of podcast

1737
01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:49,550
XYZ and my feed is fill in the

1738
01:05:49,550 --> 01:05:49,810
blank.

1739
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:52,790
I think that's a very good idea.

1740
01:05:54,010 --> 01:06:01,370
Um, the, the biggest problem we have is

1741
01:06:01,370 --> 01:06:02,010
education.

1742
01:06:02,810 --> 01:06:04,530
And I have two examples.

1743
01:06:05,530 --> 01:06:08,830
Uh, this came up just the other day

1744
01:06:08,830 --> 01:06:10,110
from Bill Simmons.

1745
01:06:10,990 --> 01:06:14,430
Uh, the, was it the ringer podcast network,

1746
01:06:14,570 --> 01:06:17,050
Spotify and listen.

1747
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:19,370
And the question was about what do we

1748
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:21,910
still call these things podcasts, but listen to

1749
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:24,530
the definition he looked up of the term

1750
01:06:24,530 --> 01:06:26,930
podcast and what a podcast is.

1751
01:06:27,350 --> 01:06:29,930
Brian asks, at what point do we retire

1752
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:30,770
the term podcast?

1753
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:32,410
Nobody uses an iPad.

1754
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:34,250
And with the pivot to video and streaming,

1755
01:06:34,410 --> 01:06:37,370
these are very clearly talk shows, by the

1756
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:39,550
way, he says iPad, which is just funny,

1757
01:06:39,830 --> 01:06:42,730
which called the pad cast, but okay, there

1758
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:43,050
we go.

1759
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:43,790
Not necessarily.

1760
01:06:44,130 --> 01:06:46,730
Um, I think we're stuck with the term.

1761
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:50,070
I just think we're going to morph into

1762
01:06:50,070 --> 01:06:53,230
saying video podcasts or podcasts, depending on if

1763
01:06:53,230 --> 01:06:55,290
it's a video show or not.

1764
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:56,930
But if you look at the definition of

1765
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:59,770
podcast, which I looked up, a podcast is

1766
01:06:59,770 --> 01:07:02,070
a program made available in digital format for

1767
01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:03,070
download over the internet.

1768
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:05,590
So why would we change that?

1769
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:06,490
Um, okay.

1770
01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:09,050
So when I hear that my skin crawls.

1771
01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:10,410
Yeah, me too.

1772
01:07:10,890 --> 01:07:16,770
And October, 2023, I did a keynote, the

1773
01:07:16,770 --> 01:07:17,990
spark media conference.

1774
01:07:18,050 --> 01:07:22,110
This was all, uh, Christian faith based podcasters.

1775
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:25,810
And I talked about how important their RSS

1776
01:07:25,810 --> 01:07:26,610
feed was.

1777
01:07:27,070 --> 01:07:28,210
And I did a cute little thing.

1778
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:29,450
I said, you know, some people call it

1779
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:31,770
really simple syndication, but I think, I think

1780
01:07:31,770 --> 01:07:34,190
of it as rock solid syndication, build your

1781
01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:35,110
house on the rock.

1782
01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:35,670
Come on.

1783
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:37,150
I mean, give me some props for that.

1784
01:07:37,690 --> 01:07:42,050
And, and I could see people's eyes light

1785
01:07:42,050 --> 01:07:44,490
up like, Oh, Oh, wow.

1786
01:07:44,830 --> 01:07:47,010
Oh, because they, they really, and this is

1787
01:07:47,010 --> 01:07:49,570
almost three years ago or two years ago,

1788
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:54,670
they really had never understood how it all

1789
01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:55,050
worked.

1790
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:58,770
And quite honestly, I think hosting companies could

1791
01:07:58,770 --> 01:08:02,310
do a better job, um, because they make

1792
01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:05,170
it look like you're uploading to Apple.

1793
01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:07,810
You're uploading to Spotify in some cases with

1794
01:08:07,810 --> 01:08:08,150
video.

1795
01:08:08,170 --> 01:08:09,030
They actually are.

1796
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:14,670
Um, but that education piece I think should

1797
01:08:14,670 --> 01:08:17,890
be more prevalent in the workflow.

1798
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:22,490
So you actually educate people.

1799
01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:23,490
It's not that hard.

1800
01:08:23,529 --> 01:08:26,310
I don't think, but educate people as to

1801
01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:28,850
how this is really, what's really taking place

1802
01:08:28,850 --> 01:08:31,529
and how magical it is and how important

1803
01:08:31,529 --> 01:08:35,050
it is that we have this decentralized open

1804
01:08:35,050 --> 01:08:40,729
system because the workflow, it literally looks like,

1805
01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:42,569
let me see what rss.com does.

1806
01:08:43,109 --> 01:08:45,350
Uh, cause I kind of noticed it there.

1807
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:48,210
Um, cause you, let me see.

1808
01:08:48,250 --> 01:08:51,609
Cause they have, yeah, they have a tab

1809
01:08:51,609 --> 01:08:53,250
called, let me see.

1810
01:08:55,210 --> 01:08:55,930
Hmm.

1811
01:08:57,109 --> 01:09:04,870
Distribution major directories, automatic submission, Apple podcasts, Spotify,

1812
01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:08,930
Amazon music, podcast index, listen notes, rss.com

1813
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:13,670
community, and then additional apps, automatic listing.

1814
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:18,970
I mean, it just, the automatic submission makes

1815
01:09:18,970 --> 01:09:22,189
it feel like you are uploading your file

1816
01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:26,770
to those apps, to those platforms.

1817
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:32,670
So while we're talking about creating move my

1818
01:09:32,670 --> 01:09:35,450
podcast, move my podcast, feed.com, what was

1819
01:09:35,450 --> 01:09:35,569
it?

1820
01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:36,850
Move my podcast.com.

1821
01:09:37,330 --> 01:09:37,689
Yeah.

1822
01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:39,710
Move your podcast, move your podcast.com.

1823
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:43,050
We need to, and we owe it to

1824
01:09:43,050 --> 01:09:48,550
ourselves to continuously educate how podcasting really works

1825
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:52,670
because we're losing that battle every single day.

1826
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:56,130
And eventually why need, why would you need

1827
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:56,270
it?

1828
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:58,290
And it's host important for the hosting companies

1829
01:09:58,290 --> 01:10:01,530
to eventually be like, well, I just auto

1830
01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:05,150
submit to me, which is already happening with

1831
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:09,410
Spotify with video and YouTube.

1832
01:10:09,410 --> 01:10:09,710
Yeah.

1833
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:14,130
Um, that's probably the best thing we can

1834
01:10:14,130 --> 01:10:16,190
do is continue to educate.

1835
01:10:18,260 --> 01:10:18,740
Yeah.

1836
01:10:19,420 --> 01:10:19,680
Yeah.

1837
01:10:19,740 --> 01:10:21,180
No, I, yeah, no, I agree.

1838
01:10:21,740 --> 01:10:22,380
I agree.

1839
01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:26,700
That's yeah.

1840
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,500
I wonder where he got that definition from.

1841
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:31,740
I'm sure it's from some chat bot.

1842
01:10:34,260 --> 01:10:35,300
Let's take a look.

1843
01:10:36,060 --> 01:10:39,520
I mean, that sounds like it sounds is

1844
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,940
the definition of a podcast.

1845
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,760
I'm asking Chad GPT.

1846
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:47,980
It's thinking I have it in expert mode,

1847
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:49,500
a series.

1848
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,160
Oh, here it is.

1849
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,660
A series of spoken word, audio, or video

1850
01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:54,660
episodes that you can listen to or watch

1851
01:10:54,660 --> 01:10:57,800
over the internet, usually on demand, often by

1852
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,320
subscribing through an app.

1853
01:11:00,460 --> 01:11:01,440
Very poor.

1854
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:03,700
No mention of RSS at all.

1855
01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:06,480
Let's look at grok because that's the only

1856
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:09,280
two ones I have an account with grok.

1857
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:10,720
Let's see what grok says.

1858
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,940
This is grok 4.1. So I expect

1859
01:11:13,940 --> 01:11:15,680
it to be spot on the money.

1860
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,460
Boy, to ensure accuracy, let's search for a

1861
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:23,240
reliable definition of a podcast.

1862
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:24,980
Well, it's really going through man.

1863
01:11:25,580 --> 01:11:28,700
A podcast is a digital program, typically consisting

1864
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:31,500
of episodic audio and sometimes video content that

1865
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:33,380
is distributed over the internet for on demand

1866
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:38,520
streaming or downloading often through subscription via RSS

1867
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:39,100
feeds.

1868
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,080
At least it has RSS.

1869
01:11:41,540 --> 01:11:44,400
But often, it should be always.

1870
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:45,180
Always.

1871
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:46,220
Not often.

1872
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:48,700
So, you know, I don't want to get

1873
01:11:48,700 --> 01:11:50,760
off into the definitions of things, but I

1874
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:51,860
mean, it's, it's important.

1875
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:52,820
It is.

1876
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:53,140
Yeah.

1877
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,120
No, it's important for the, it's important because

1878
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,540
if the, if there's no understanding that there

1879
01:11:59,540 --> 01:12:02,220
is an RSS feed behind this thing, then

1880
01:12:02,220 --> 01:12:05,940
people don't understand what, we'll never understand what

1881
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:10,160
the problem is, go, why things get out

1882
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:10,540
of sync.

1883
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:12,740
Somebody needs to write me a script.

1884
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,320
Short script.

1885
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:16,820
Daniel J.

1886
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,520
Write me a script.

1887
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:19,320
I'll do a video.

1888
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:20,760
Hi, I'm Adam Curry.

1889
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,700
You probably think of me as an over

1890
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:26,520
the hill, out of work VJ.

1891
01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:31,740
However, however, I'm not out of work.

1892
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:33,700
Well, I'm out of, I don't have a

1893
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:35,840
job that I do have a podcast.

1894
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,000
No, I mean, it's, it's all just education.

1895
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:43,860
I think we, you know, if we want

1896
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:46,760
to keep it alive, then we need to

1897
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:47,800
continue to educate.

1898
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:48,960
That's for sure.

1899
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:49,840
Yeah.

1900
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:51,020
Ask potty.com.

1901
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:51,520
That's good.

1902
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:51,800
Yeah.

1903
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:53,840
Potty will pop up.

1904
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:56,900
Hi, do you even know how that works?

1905
01:12:56,940 --> 01:12:57,420
You idiot.

1906
01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:00,620
Do you even know what a podcast is?

1907
01:13:00,620 --> 01:13:01,720
Do you even know what a pod, answer

1908
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:02,680
the, answer me.

1909
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:04,900
What is, if you can't answer, that's it.

1910
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,720
I'm happy to help you with our customer

1911
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,980
success desk, but first you have to tell

1912
01:13:09,980 --> 01:13:11,040
me what a podcast is.

1913
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:12,780
If you can't answer that question, we're not

1914
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:13,380
going to help you.

1915
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:14,700
And it's not even AI.

1916
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:15,900
It's not the analysis.

1917
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:16,640
It's not even AI.

1918
01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:18,180
It just looks, if you, if you didn't

1919
01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:20,060
put the word RSS in there, it just

1920
01:13:20,060 --> 01:13:20,600
rejected.

1921
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:21,380
Exactly.

1922
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:22,260
Yeah.

1923
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:22,760
Go away.

1924
01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:24,180
Oh man.

1925
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,840
Well, I mean, that's, that's the only way

1926
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,200
I can think of to, to get a

1927
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,360
handle on this problem is, is, is taking,

1928
01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:40,100
taking the voice of the owner, the attestation

1929
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:43,740
of the podcast owner and put, putting it

1930
01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:47,220
into a place that is community managed where

1931
01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:51,920
we can all hook in to that authoritative

1932
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:52,460
source.

1933
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:53,740
I totally agree.

1934
01:13:54,080 --> 01:14:00,400
And get, get proper, uh, attribution.

1935
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:06,560
And, um, because you can't just trust the

1936
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:07,840
podcast hosting company.

1937
01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:10,060
It's not that I'm not saying that they're

1938
01:14:10,060 --> 01:14:10,620
nefarious.

1939
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,420
What I'm saying is they don't know what's

1940
01:14:12,420 --> 01:14:13,460
going on.

1941
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,820
Like you, this happens multi, this is how

1942
01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:17,940
this happens all the time.

1943
01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:20,200
I can tell you this, uh, scenario.

1944
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:24,880
I've seen podcasts that are literally on, they

1945
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,200
have identical shows on like seven different podcast

1946
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:28,580
hosts.

1947
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,060
I know I've seen it too.

1948
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,040
They'll start over on bus sprout.

1949
01:14:32,140 --> 01:14:33,400
Then they'll go to rss.com.

1950
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:34,620
Then they'll make one on Spreaker.

1951
01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:36,420
Then they'll make one on, uh, you know,

1952
01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:37,100
on red circle.

1953
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:38,540
Then they'll make one on captivate.

1954
01:14:38,620 --> 01:14:39,820
Then they'll make one on Lipson.

1955
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,800
They will literally have seven accounts with the

1956
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,700
same show on it because they're like shopping

1957
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:48,820
or something.

1958
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,000
They're trying to figure out what they'll, and

1959
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,280
they'll go, they'll go from rss.com over

1960
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,180
to bus sprout and then to Lipson and

1961
01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:57,800
then back to rss.com and then they'll

1962
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,340
go from rss.com to blueberry.

1963
01:14:59,580 --> 01:15:01,220
And then they'll go back to rss.com.

1964
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:02,260
It's like, what are you doing?

1965
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,400
And, and none of those hosting companies, they,

1966
01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:11,340
none of them know what, what to, to

1967
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:14,020
attest to as the authoritative URL, right?

1968
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,520
They're just a cog in the wheel of

1969
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,780
the machine at that point.

1970
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,940
Like they can't claim ownership because they don't

1971
01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:24,800
know it's the, it's the podcaster that has

1972
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,620
to tell us where their show lives.

1973
01:15:26,740 --> 01:15:27,000
Yes.

1974
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,280
So whatever the solution to this is, it's,

1975
01:15:30,380 --> 01:15:31,820
I feel like it's got to be that.

1976
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:36,440
And you know, move your podcast.com.

1977
01:15:36,580 --> 01:15:37,500
We can use that.

1978
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,560
We can use some other thing, but it

1979
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:40,100
doesn't matter.

1980
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,880
I don't care, but I feel like that

1981
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:42,380
has to happen.

1982
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:43,280
Yes.

1983
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:44,660
Yeah.

1984
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,500
I think that's, that's a very good idea.

1985
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,100
And, uh, we'll never get the deserve peace

1986
01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:52,220
prize award for this work that we're doing.

1987
01:15:53,420 --> 01:15:55,700
We'll never give up on it.

1988
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,800
We're solving global strife.

1989
01:15:57,940 --> 01:15:58,240
Yes.

1990
01:15:58,260 --> 01:16:00,040
Give up on, uh, on the prize.

1991
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,020
Adam Carolla will get that.

1992
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:03,060
Don't worry.

1993
01:16:03,260 --> 01:16:07,540
Um, but I used to have this, um,

1994
01:16:08,420 --> 01:16:11,820
this, uh, silver coin that's, uh, it had

1995
01:16:11,820 --> 01:16:15,520
a picture of, uh, Dick Cheney on the

1996
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:16,100
back of it.

1997
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,860
And it said, uh, God, I'm trying to

1998
01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:20,900
remember the quote on it.

1999
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:25,240
It said something like, uh, uh, battling global

2000
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,860
terrorism by creating it or something like that.

2001
01:16:29,180 --> 01:16:31,420
And it's like, that's what we're, we're battling

2002
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:34,240
global strife by creating strife by creating more

2003
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:34,700
strife.

2004
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:35,080
Yes.

2005
01:16:35,860 --> 01:16:39,460
Well, education and that hub is a great

2006
01:16:39,460 --> 01:16:39,840
idea.

2007
01:16:40,020 --> 01:16:41,440
Let's see if, if that can get picked

2008
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:41,820
up.

2009
01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:44,280
I will, I will gladly participate in it.

2010
01:16:44,420 --> 01:16:45,700
You send me a script, I'll do it.

2011
01:16:45,980 --> 01:16:47,580
Whatever, whatever you are.

2012
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,100
I mean, you're going to create potty and

2013
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:51,040
potty is going to be what powers.

2014
01:16:51,180 --> 01:16:51,560
Yes.

2015
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:57,780
Potty will potty potty power, potty power, potty

2016
01:16:57,780 --> 01:16:58,740
is your backend.

2017
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:04,060
Wow.

2018
01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:04,880
That's deep.

2019
01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:05,840
That's very deep.

2020
01:17:05,940 --> 01:17:06,780
I like that a lot.

2021
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,460
Potty is your backend.

2022
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:10,580
Oh, thanks.

2023
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:12,140
And people, Dave, get you out on time.

2024
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:13,500
We got to that time already.

2025
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:15,900
Yeah, it is thousand sats from Dred Scott

2026
01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:16,400
here.

2027
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:19,640
He comes in from cast thematic sage advice

2028
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:20,620
from the pod sage.

2029
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,380
Three 33 from salty crayon, all in the

2030
01:17:23,380 --> 01:17:24,940
potty helper potty.

2031
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,040
Where's my transcript?

2032
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:30,520
We got that baller boost from Dred Scott.

2033
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,360
One, two, three, four, five, six from a

2034
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:32,980
pod verse.

2035
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:35,540
He was slinging some sassy index for doing

2036
01:17:35,540 --> 01:17:36,460
big in the VM.

2037
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:37,760
That's right.

2038
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,720
Uh, triple five from salty crayon.

2039
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,600
How did Dave and Adam glad that all

2040
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,400
it took to shut up the Nostra bros

2041
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,580
and zaps was cloud flare and rust chalk

2042
01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:49,440
up another win for nodes and key sent

2043
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:50,320
in Trump voice.

2044
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,160
Are you tired of winning yet?

2045
01:17:52,380 --> 01:17:53,440
What happened with Nostra?

2046
01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:56,180
Did it, when did cloud flare go down

2047
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:57,540
and Nostra went down?

2048
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,900
Oh, is that, did that happen for real?

2049
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:01,500
I don't know.

2050
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,820
Um, I guess I'm curious about that.

2051
01:18:05,180 --> 01:18:05,640
I wonder.

2052
01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:06,660
Interesting.

2053
01:18:06,860 --> 01:18:09,180
Cause I, you know, cause it's decentralized and

2054
01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:10,080
censorship resistant.

2055
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:10,600
Yes.

2056
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:13,380
Does, uh, does anyone in the board, the

2057
01:18:13,380 --> 01:18:13,800
boardroom?

2058
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:14,180
No.

2059
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:15,840
Salty crayon.

2060
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:16,320
Anybody?

2061
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:16,680
Hello.

2062
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:17,520
Is this thing on?

2063
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,540
It's decentralized and censorship resistant.

2064
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:23,940
Unless cloud flare goes down, chat F is

2065
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:24,340
typing.

2066
01:18:24,340 --> 01:18:25,960
So chat and chat F is the one

2067
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:26,620
who would know.

2068
01:18:26,660 --> 01:18:29,560
I guess the C Brooklyn one, one, two

2069
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,080
says Nostra worked.

2070
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:32,760
Oh, salty crayon says the zaps.

2071
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:33,820
Didn't.

2072
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:36,480
That's interesting.

2073
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:38,780
One of the clients was down.

2074
01:18:38,780 --> 01:18:39,320
Yeah.

2075
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,380
Well just, you only need one.

2076
01:18:41,900 --> 01:18:44,040
You'll need a big one that everybody uses.

2077
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:44,980
That's how it goes.

2078
01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:46,240
And then your blue and then your blue

2079
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,040
sky and strike.

2080
01:18:47,140 --> 01:18:47,280
Yep.

2081
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:48,140
Strike went down.

2082
01:18:48,260 --> 01:18:48,360
Yeah.

2083
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:49,080
I saw that too.

2084
01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:49,580
Strike one.

2085
01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:50,500
I was, I did.

2086
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,040
I'm glad strike went down so I didn't

2087
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,580
have to look at the Bitcoin price.

2088
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,040
I don't want to see that thing at

2089
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:56,300
all.

2090
01:18:57,460 --> 01:18:59,040
Uh, this is funny.

2091
01:18:59,140 --> 01:19:01,360
I love all the memes about the Bitcoin

2092
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,200
and all the hot, hot takes, hot takes.

2093
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:07,620
Bitcoin has a math problem.

2094
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:08,160
Okay.

2095
01:19:08,420 --> 01:19:08,600
Yeah.

2096
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:10,480
My favorite is, Oh yeah.

2097
01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:13,320
All kinds of nonsense.

2098
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,400
I, another one is, you know, um, AI

2099
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,900
and quantum will be able to decrypt a

2100
01:19:19,900 --> 01:19:21,180
Bitcoin bro.

2101
01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:24,420
Like Bitcoin's not encrypted and you know, it's

2102
01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:25,740
like, okay, fine.

2103
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:26,360
Whatever.

2104
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:28,020
Yeah.

2105
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:28,300
Yeah.

2106
01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:28,440
Yeah.

2107
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:28,540
Yeah.

2108
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:29,200
All right.

2109
01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:30,300
What you got on the list?

2110
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:32,340
Uh, let's see.

2111
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:34,020
Oh, these are all these PayPal's are going

2112
01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:34,840
to be mixed in.

2113
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:37,520
So you got, you mean monthlies and one

2114
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,060
-offs mix?

2115
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:38,360
Yeah.

2116
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:38,700
Yeah.

2117
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:38,840
Yeah.

2118
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:39,000
Yeah.

2119
01:19:39,020 --> 01:19:39,580
Good job.

2120
01:19:40,380 --> 01:19:41,580
Well, actually, you know what?

2121
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,920
I can, I can not, I can do

2122
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:44,040
it.

2123
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:48,080
I can, I can separate them in real

2124
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,360
time because I'm that good.

2125
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:53,540
Yo, uh, Edgar Rios, $10.

2126
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,480
No note.

2127
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:55,620
That's a one-time.

2128
01:19:55,940 --> 01:19:56,540
Thank you, Edgar.

2129
01:19:57,260 --> 01:19:59,100
Do you see how I just extracted that

2130
01:19:59,100 --> 01:19:59,760
out of the list?

2131
01:19:59,860 --> 01:19:59,980
Yeah.

2132
01:20:00,060 --> 01:20:02,820
You're phenomenal pod sage for the wind.

2133
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:03,840
Yes.

2134
01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:04,800
Lauren ball.

2135
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,040
These are monthly Lauren ball, $24.20. Thank

2136
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:08,360
you, Lauren.

2137
01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:10,700
I appreciate that pod verse.

2138
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,300
That's Mitch and Creon over there.

2139
01:20:12,380 --> 01:20:14,720
Still waiting for podcast, pod verse next gen,

2140
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:15,560
by the way.

2141
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,980
Um, uh, $50.

2142
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:18,900
Thank you guys.

2143
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:21,060
Uh, Mitch Downey coming in.

2144
01:20:21,140 --> 01:20:21,460
Always.

2145
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,120
He's always right behind pod verse.

2146
01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:24,260
Funny how that works.

2147
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:25,220
$10.

2148
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:28,240
I haven't even talked to Mitch in like

2149
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:29,340
four months.

2150
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,580
I saw him post the other day.

2151
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:31,840
He did.

2152
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:32,280
Yeah.

2153
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:32,780
Yeah.

2154
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,740
He posted about, uh, uh, pod verse next

2155
01:20:35,740 --> 01:20:36,060
gen.

2156
01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:39,120
Oh, I must've missed it on the index.

2157
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:39,500
Yeah.

2158
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:39,680
Yeah.

2159
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:39,860
Yeah.

2160
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:40,920
No, he's social.

2161
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,740
Uh, he said, what did he say?

2162
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:45,860
He said it was going to be focused

2163
01:20:45,860 --> 01:20:48,580
on something specific, which I kind of liked.

2164
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,100
Uh, and I can't remember what it was

2165
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:51,220
going off to look it up.

2166
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,720
I'll look up what he said because I

2167
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:54,680
was like, Oh, that's cool.

2168
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,680
That sounds like he's doing something different again.

2169
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:02,120
Cause you remember pod verse started as, um,

2170
01:21:02,780 --> 01:21:03,920
specifically for clips.

2171
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:04,100
Yeah.

2172
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,240
For sharing clips.

2173
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:06,500
Hold on a second.

2174
01:21:06,620 --> 01:21:07,820
Let me see if I can find it.

2175
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,320
Um, Mitch, Mitch, Mitch, Mitch.

2176
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,540
Let me see what Mitch said.

2177
01:21:13,340 --> 01:21:18,600
He said quick V oh, quick demo of

2178
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:19,580
the video feature.

2179
01:21:20,460 --> 01:21:21,220
Oh, video.

2180
01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:22,360
Oh yeah.

2181
01:21:22,380 --> 01:21:24,860
It's long overdue, but I think the pod

2182
01:21:24,860 --> 01:21:27,220
verse 2.0 website will finally be available

2183
01:21:27,220 --> 01:21:28,660
in beta before the end of the month,

2184
01:21:28,660 --> 01:21:30,260
which is a precursor to the, to the

2185
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:30,460
app.

2186
01:21:30,620 --> 01:21:32,580
The goal of pod verse 2.0 is

2187
01:21:32,580 --> 01:21:34,900
to support as many podcasting 2.0 features

2188
01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:37,440
as possible from the ground up emphasis is

2189
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:40,200
placed on multiple medium experiences.

2190
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:44,460
That's 3m podcast video and music.

2191
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,740
Other goals include a focus on up to

2192
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:49,000
optimizing app performances, simplifying code.

2193
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:49,780
Okay.

2194
01:21:49,820 --> 01:21:51,860
So it's the multi it's the, and I

2195
01:21:51,860 --> 01:21:52,720
think he's going to do a lot of

2196
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,640
music highlighting.

2197
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,100
So not just as an afterthought, but as

2198
01:21:57,100 --> 01:22:00,240
a specific music section or whatever.

2199
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:01,560
That's cool.

2200
01:22:01,660 --> 01:22:01,800
Yeah.

2201
01:22:01,820 --> 01:22:02,980
He's been posting a lot actually.

2202
01:22:03,140 --> 01:22:03,760
So cool, Mitch.

2203
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,280
We're excited, excited to see what you come

2204
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,860
up with brother and Jason from podcast guru

2205
01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:09,160
at the, you know, long talk with him

2206
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:09,560
the other day.

2207
01:22:09,580 --> 01:22:11,080
And he's, he's got some pretty good stuff

2208
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:11,580
cooking too.

2209
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:12,740
So we're going to, as soon as he,

2210
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,520
he's got some stuff he's cooking up right

2211
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:14,660
now.

2212
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:15,760
And as soon as he releases that, we're

2213
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:16,540
going to have him on the show.

2214
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:17,080
Nice.

2215
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:17,880
Nice.

2216
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,240
Uh, Christopher Harabaric $10.

2217
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:21,420
Thank you very much.

2218
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:22,360
Thank you.

2219
01:22:22,420 --> 01:22:23,840
Uh, Terry Keller $5.

2220
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:24,600
Thank you, Terry.

2221
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,880
Uh, Chris Cowan, $5 silicone florist, $10.

2222
01:22:29,340 --> 01:22:31,240
Damon Cassajack $15.

2223
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:32,840
These are all great.

2224
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:33,760
Thank you so much.

2225
01:22:33,780 --> 01:22:34,620
These are fantastic.

2226
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:35,520
Yeah.

2227
01:22:35,540 --> 01:22:38,220
Two weeks of, uh, of, of, uh, donations

2228
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:39,300
here to Derek J.

2229
01:22:39,380 --> 01:22:39,740
Viscar.

2230
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,360
That's the best name in podcast.

2231
01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:42,020
It's $21.

2232
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:42,900
Nice.

2233
01:22:43,060 --> 01:22:45,940
Uh, Paul Saltzman $22.

2234
01:22:46,660 --> 01:22:47,180
Yes.

2235
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:49,100
Paul's always the same and always there.

2236
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:49,720
Thank you, Paul.

2237
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:51,520
Jeremy Gertz, $5.

2238
01:22:51,860 --> 01:22:52,460
Thank you, Jeremy.

2239
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:53,940
Uh, Gene Liverman.

2240
01:22:54,060 --> 01:22:58,100
Hey, Gene and jeans, uh, Gene and Archie

2241
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:02,820
both run a podcast index monitoring.

2242
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:07,480
So whenever podcast index goes down, I get

2243
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:10,080
pinged in the emails and it was blowing

2244
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,180
up on cloudflare day.

2245
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:12,560
Let me tell you that I'll bet.

2246
01:23:12,700 --> 01:23:13,240
Let me see.

2247
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:14,020
They have a website.

2248
01:23:14,420 --> 01:23:15,600
He sent me an email and was like,

2249
01:23:15,620 --> 01:23:16,780
uh, Hey, do you want me to turn

2250
01:23:16,780 --> 01:23:17,440
off the emails?

2251
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:18,380
Cause they're blowing up.

2252
01:23:19,700 --> 01:23:19,840
Yeah.

2253
01:23:20,140 --> 01:23:20,280
Cool.

2254
01:23:20,340 --> 01:23:21,540
I was like, no man, let them run.

2255
01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:22,040
Let them roll.

2256
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:22,320
Yeah.

2257
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,080
Um, Michael Hall, $5 and 50 cents.

2258
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:26,620
Thank you, Michael.

2259
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,020
Uh, new media productions.

2260
01:23:28,140 --> 01:23:30,980
That's, uh, that's Todd and Rob.

2261
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:34,020
And I guess Todd from heaven, I guess.

2262
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,340
So $30 from, you know, from the film.

2263
01:23:37,460 --> 01:23:38,100
Oh my God.

2264
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,880
He's, he put us on an automatic pay.

2265
01:23:41,580 --> 01:23:42,460
That's what I'm saying.

2266
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:44,400
It's still running.

2267
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,700
I just, that's Todd from heaven, brother.

2268
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:47,440
Yeah.

2269
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:48,440
I'll take it.

2270
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:49,060
Thank you, Todd.

2271
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:50,540
Think of you a lot, man.

2272
01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:54,660
If, um, you know, Rob, if, if you

2273
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:56,280
need $30 a month, tell us.

2274
01:23:56,540 --> 01:23:56,740
Yeah.

2275
01:23:58,440 --> 01:23:58,920
Yeah.

2276
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,840
I guess it'll just run until it runs

2277
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,900
out until we join Todd.

2278
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,680
Um, Timothy voice $10.

2279
01:24:06,860 --> 01:24:07,400
Thank you, Timothy.

2280
01:24:07,940 --> 01:24:09,660
Uh, Basil Phillip, $25.

2281
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:10,580
Thank you, Basil.

2282
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,880
Uh, Oh, look at this.

2283
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:14,960
It's bus sprouts.

2284
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:16,080
A thousand dollars.

2285
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,340
Thank you.

2286
01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:24,160
Boys and girls from buzz sprouts.

2287
01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:24,760
Thank you.

2288
01:24:24,820 --> 01:24:25,180
Thank you.

2289
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:25,680
Thank you.

2290
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,160
Keeping it rolling for us.

2291
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:29,080
Thank you guys.

2292
01:24:29,180 --> 01:24:29,880
Appreciate that.

2293
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:36,000
Uh, Oystein Berha $5, uh, $5 from Michael

2294
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,060
Goggin, Jorge Hernandez, $5.

2295
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:39,880
And that's our group.

2296
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:40,180
Let's see.

2297
01:24:40,220 --> 01:24:41,780
We've got some boosts.

2298
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,020
Not many, not many, but I, you know,

2299
01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:47,200
I always somehow managed to read the same

2300
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,320
boost that you just read two seconds ago.

2301
01:24:49,340 --> 01:24:49,660
Yeah.

2302
01:24:49,660 --> 01:24:50,540
I appreciate that.

2303
01:24:50,660 --> 01:24:52,180
It makes me feel important.

2304
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,420
It's cause I have to, by the time

2305
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:56,480
I finished running through the PayPal's, I forgotten

2306
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:57,480
what the boosts were.

2307
01:24:58,660 --> 01:24:59,740
I'll call it out.

2308
01:25:00,700 --> 01:25:01,620
Um, let's see.

2309
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,940
Gene Everett, Satchel Richards, 1, 1, 1, 1.

2310
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,660
Hey guys, I was just curious if you

2311
01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:11,020
could mention on show on the show current

2312
01:25:11,020 --> 01:25:15,220
status of what status that sounds Canadian status

2313
01:25:15,220 --> 01:25:18,160
of what depends on hive blockchain for pod

2314
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,560
2.0 hive is not in a good

2315
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,280
place right now.

2316
01:25:21,340 --> 01:25:22,760
And I noticed a few people asking, is

2317
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,040
it, is it not in a good place?

2318
01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:25,400
Oh goodness, please.

2319
01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:25,920
No.

2320
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,720
Oh, now, now you know that Brian of

2321
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,380
London is going to blow up the signal

2322
01:25:30,380 --> 01:25:30,860
chat.

2323
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:33,760
This is false.

2324
01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:34,620
Yeah.

2325
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:38,620
Uh, they had a hard fork and I

2326
01:25:38,620 --> 01:25:39,820
think everything went smoothly.

2327
01:25:39,940 --> 01:25:41,520
Not a pod ping was missed the way

2328
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:42,320
I understood it.

2329
01:25:43,340 --> 01:25:45,360
I think there will be disruptions coming years

2330
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,460
on hive chain personally and was curious how

2331
01:25:47,460 --> 01:25:49,380
easy to not depend on this step might

2332
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:50,180
be years out.

2333
01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:50,880
Cheers.

2334
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,420
I'm not aware of any issue, but I'm

2335
01:25:56,420 --> 01:25:59,120
going to pass this boost straight through to

2336
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,900
Brian of London so he can tell us

2337
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:02,900
the truth.

2338
01:26:03,900 --> 01:26:06,040
And, uh, yeah, I mean, we have alternatives.

2339
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:07,300
Yeah, we can switch pod ping to use

2340
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:07,720
something else.

2341
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:08,760
I'm not too worried about that.

2342
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,920
Um, let's see.

2343
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,480
Oh, uh, the ugly cracking Doug, that's Bruce

2344
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:17,180
22, 22 through podcast guru.

2345
01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:17,960
Speak of the devil.

2346
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,860
He says, build it big, make it for

2347
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:20,220
gaming.

2348
01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:21,860
It should be able to handle anything.

2349
01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:24,020
I'm not sure what he's talking about.

2350
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:24,700
We'll do it.

2351
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:25,960
We'll do that tomorrow.

2352
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,100
Over the weekend.

2353
01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:27,560
Yeah.

2354
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:27,960
Done.

2355
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:28,960
Consider it done.

2356
01:26:29,740 --> 01:26:33,580
Jake, Jake Lester, Jack Lester, Jake L S

2357
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:36,060
T R L S T R.

2358
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:38,840
That sounds like a C programming language function.

2359
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,240
A big satchel of Richards one, one, one,

2360
01:26:42,380 --> 01:26:42,900
one, one.

2361
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:43,360
Whoa.

2362
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:44,440
Thank you.

2363
01:26:44,460 --> 01:26:45,100
Through fountain.

2364
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,060
He says on the last show, Dave used

2365
01:26:48,060 --> 01:26:50,160
the term horny gay guy.

2366
01:26:50,380 --> 01:26:50,740
Oh no.

2367
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,400
I'm sure you are aware is my phrase

2368
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:54,160
that pays.

2369
01:26:56,580 --> 01:27:00,720
Hey, what's the phrase that pays horny gay

2370
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:01,220
guy.

2371
01:27:02,900 --> 01:27:05,580
I don't, I don't remember using the term

2372
01:27:05,580 --> 01:27:08,060
horny gay guy, but we've got 11,000

2373
01:27:08,060 --> 01:27:08,780
sets out of it.

2374
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:09,900
So good job.

2375
01:27:09,980 --> 01:27:10,460
Good job.

2376
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,120
Dave mere mortals podcast.

2377
01:27:13,220 --> 01:27:14,760
That's Kyra and the satchel of Richards.

2378
01:27:15,500 --> 01:27:16,640
Hey, Karen, thanks for that.

2379
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:17,100
Through fountain.

2380
01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:18,660
He says, Hey Dave, the creator of social

2381
01:27:18,660 --> 01:27:20,500
to Toshi's dot stream was looking for a

2382
01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:22,100
way to read up on the latest developments

2383
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:24,040
of what he might need to do with

2384
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,480
the move away from key send.

2385
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:28,440
Well, number one, don't go through Albie's hub.

2386
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:28,900
Yeah.

2387
01:27:28,900 --> 01:27:30,640
Close up shop is the answer.

2388
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:31,380
Yeah.

2389
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:34,440
Any particular resource or blog or summary I

2390
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:35,820
could send him to catch up with on

2391
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:36,700
all the discussion here.

2392
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:38,800
Well, that's a good question.

2393
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:41,960
I don't think we have one particular resource.

2394
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:43,640
I mean, he's on, isn't he?

2395
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,220
I believe he's on podcast index dot dot

2396
01:27:46,220 --> 01:27:46,540
social.

2397
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,240
If not hit me up and I'll let

2398
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:49,540
you know.

2399
01:27:49,540 --> 01:27:49,640
Yeah.

2400
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:50,440
Telegram guy, right?

2401
01:27:50,820 --> 01:27:51,640
Oh yeah.

2402
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:52,520
Telegram.

2403
01:27:52,700 --> 01:27:53,140
Yeah.

2404
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:54,300
I forget.

2405
01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:55,280
Telegram exists.

2406
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:57,160
No, I, I know it exists because I

2407
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,240
have to keep deleting spammers from the podcast

2408
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:00,160
index group.

2409
01:28:00,460 --> 01:28:01,780
Hi, it's Elsie.

2410
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:02,960
Gross.

2411
01:28:03,380 --> 01:28:03,620
Yeah.

2412
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,220
Uh, I don't know, man.

2413
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,610
I mean like it's basically just a lightning

2414
01:28:10,610 --> 01:28:14,670
address instead of, instead of keys and it's

2415
01:28:14,670 --> 01:28:16,230
Ellen URL instead of keys.

2416
01:28:16,230 --> 01:28:16,550
Yeah.

2417
01:28:17,330 --> 01:28:20,830
And so you just, it, and it's, uh,

2418
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:24,610
the, the, the method is, um, well, the

2419
01:28:24,610 --> 01:28:26,250
problem is he's going to have to create

2420
01:28:26,250 --> 01:28:28,710
Ellen addresses for all of his recipients.

2421
01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:32,270
He has to create a well-known for

2422
01:28:32,270 --> 01:28:32,790
everybody.

2423
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:33,710
That's the problem.

2424
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:36,810
Maybe you can do that with, uh, what's

2425
01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:39,450
the thing called a bitly and bit, bit

2426
01:28:39,450 --> 01:28:41,410
bits, Ellen bits.

2427
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:42,350
Yeah.

2428
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:43,750
And put that on top maybe.

2429
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:45,290
Cause you can create a lot of addresses

2430
01:28:45,290 --> 01:28:45,710
with that.

2431
01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:46,630
Just stick it on top.

2432
01:28:46,770 --> 01:28:48,390
Just like, yeah, just stick it on top.

2433
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:49,950
Just rub it right on the top.

2434
01:28:50,810 --> 01:28:53,970
Back to your horny gay guy.

2435
01:28:55,810 --> 01:28:58,710
Well, I mean, to quote Morris from Albie,

2436
01:28:59,230 --> 01:29:01,230
there were solid reasons for choosing keys.

2437
01:29:01,330 --> 01:29:03,270
And well, yes, there were solid reasons.

2438
01:29:03,410 --> 01:29:04,210
We, we agree.

2439
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:04,970
Yeah.

2440
01:29:05,670 --> 01:29:06,910
Um, okay.

2441
01:29:07,090 --> 01:29:09,290
It's well, that's victim shaming is what that

2442
01:29:09,290 --> 01:29:10,090
is, but okay.

2443
01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:13,390
That is true.

2444
01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:13,910
Me too.

2445
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:14,990
Yeah.

2446
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:18,250
So I would say that satoshi's dot stream

2447
01:29:18,250 --> 01:29:21,230
would be good to get on the index.

2448
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:21,650
Yeah.

2449
01:29:21,690 --> 01:29:23,770
If you're not, send me an email, Adam

2450
01:29:23,770 --> 01:29:26,150
mccurry.com and I'll get you on.

2451
01:29:26,890 --> 01:29:27,330
Okay.

2452
01:29:28,590 --> 01:29:29,750
Uh, Oh, wait, wait.

2453
01:29:30,230 --> 01:29:33,010
Is this, I think you already read this

2454
01:29:33,010 --> 01:29:33,410
one.

2455
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:35,150
No, we got two from comic strip blogger.

2456
01:29:35,230 --> 01:29:36,130
Oh, well, yeah.

2457
01:29:36,150 --> 01:29:37,730
One for each show.

2458
01:29:37,890 --> 01:29:37,990
Yeah.

2459
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:38,910
We missed one show.

2460
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:39,270
Yeah.

2461
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:39,430
Yeah.

2462
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:39,610
Yeah.

2463
01:29:39,610 --> 01:29:41,210
Uh, comes to your blogger.

2464
01:29:41,310 --> 01:29:43,510
That's a double delimiter, which is valid.

2465
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:48,450
16,015 through fountain.

2466
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:49,830
Nice.

2467
01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:50,890
This is last week.

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01:29:50,890 --> 01:29:52,350
He said, how do you Dave and Adam

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01:29:52,350 --> 01:29:53,050
today?

2470
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:55,350
I'd like to recommend a podcast called podcast

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01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:56,190
for 11.

2472
01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:59,750
That's the word podcast and the numbers four,

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01:30:00,150 --> 01:30:01,790
one, one written together.

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01:30:02,010 --> 01:30:05,250
It features insider interviews with podcast legends, like

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01:30:05,250 --> 01:30:09,590
Todd Cochran and Aaron monkey, along with pro

2476
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:12,390
tips from editors, real talk for podcasters.

2477
01:30:12,530 --> 01:30:14,490
You can find it by visiting podcast for

2478
01:30:14,490 --> 01:30:18,390
11.libson.com or by searching for podcast

2479
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:20,830
for 11 in your favorite podcast app.

2480
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:23,710
Yo CSB, the AI arch wizard.

2481
01:30:23,710 --> 01:30:24,250
Hmm.

2482
01:30:25,090 --> 01:30:27,450
That's a, that's the limiter.

2483
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:28,150
Number one delimiter.

2484
01:30:28,290 --> 01:30:32,190
Number two is 18,015 sass through fountain.

2485
01:30:32,290 --> 01:30:33,470
And he says, how do you Dave and

2486
01:30:33,470 --> 01:30:34,010
Adam today?

2487
01:30:34,230 --> 01:30:37,130
I'd like to recommend a podcast called podcast

2488
01:30:37,130 --> 01:30:37,710
for 11.

2489
01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:39,290
It's the same podcast.

2490
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:41,010
Sorry.

2491
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:42,450
He's just double promoing.

2492
01:30:42,530 --> 01:30:43,690
Just doubling.

2493
01:30:43,770 --> 01:30:43,930
Yes.

2494
01:30:44,450 --> 01:30:47,390
Uh, you can find it by searching by

2495
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:49,950
visiting podcast for 11.libson.com or by

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01:30:49,950 --> 01:30:51,710
searching for podcast for 11 in your favorite

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01:30:51,710 --> 01:30:52,370
podcast app.

2498
01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:54,490
Yo CSB, the AI arch wizard.

2499
01:30:54,710 --> 01:30:57,550
He is the one and only AI arch

2500
01:30:57,550 --> 01:30:57,910
wizard.

2501
01:30:58,430 --> 01:31:00,290
Thank you for doubling up on a CSB.

2502
01:31:00,290 --> 01:31:01,290
Appreciate that.

2503
01:31:02,130 --> 01:31:02,330
All right.

2504
01:31:02,490 --> 01:31:03,410
Rob Walters podcast.

2505
01:31:03,630 --> 01:31:04,430
That's his thing.

2506
01:31:04,730 --> 01:31:04,990
Yes.

2507
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:07,110
Thank you all very much for supporting the

2508
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:08,450
podcast index project.

2509
01:31:09,010 --> 01:31:10,830
If you want to support us, you can

2510
01:31:10,830 --> 01:31:11,430
boost us.

2511
01:31:12,190 --> 01:31:13,930
Uh, I think we, you can also send

2512
01:31:13,930 --> 01:31:15,610
this on chain Bitcoin will accept.

2513
01:31:16,370 --> 01:31:18,930
And, uh, if not, uh, you can always

2514
01:31:18,930 --> 01:31:21,110
go to podcast index.org, scroll down to

2515
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:22,930
the bottom, big red donate button, send us

2516
01:31:22,930 --> 01:31:25,770
your fiat fund coupons, uh, through PayPal.

2517
01:31:25,770 --> 01:31:28,070
And thank you all so much for supporting

2518
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:29,690
the project for keeping it going.

2519
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:32,270
Uh, I think last count more than 70

2520
01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:34,750
apps and services use the podcast index has

2521
01:31:34,750 --> 01:31:37,530
become quite a, an important resource and it's

2522
01:31:37,530 --> 01:31:38,510
a funded by you.

2523
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:41,050
And, uh, and we love that.

2524
01:31:41,370 --> 01:31:43,570
And, uh, we don't accept a peace prize.

2525
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:45,010
We, in fact, if they offered it to

2526
01:31:45,010 --> 01:31:46,550
us, we'd, uh, we'd decline it.

2527
01:31:47,130 --> 01:31:48,030
I would turn it down.

2528
01:31:48,110 --> 01:31:48,270
Yeah.

2529
01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:50,170
So I don't need your stinking peace prize

2530
01:31:50,170 --> 01:31:51,150
with respect.

2531
01:31:52,610 --> 01:31:53,610
All right, everybody.

2532
01:31:53,790 --> 01:31:54,470
Perfect timing.

2533
01:31:54,570 --> 01:31:55,750
Two minutes over Dave.

2534
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:57,810
Uh, you going rock climbing again this weekend?

2535
01:31:58,790 --> 01:32:00,190
No, we are.

2536
01:32:00,510 --> 01:32:02,390
Uh, we have a school function tonight.

2537
01:32:02,570 --> 01:32:04,990
We have a wedding tomorrow morning and then

2538
01:32:04,990 --> 01:32:06,630
we had, and then we're leaving to go

2539
01:32:06,630 --> 01:32:09,570
to Atlanta tomorrow night and then flying out

2540
01:32:09,570 --> 01:32:11,430
to New York on Sunday.

2541
01:32:11,630 --> 01:32:11,990
Okay.

2542
01:32:12,010 --> 01:32:13,330
How long are you going to be in

2543
01:32:13,330 --> 01:32:13,930
the big apple?

2544
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:15,970
Uh, for a week.

2545
01:32:16,110 --> 01:32:17,670
So I will miss next week's show.

2546
01:32:17,810 --> 01:32:18,210
Okay.

2547
01:32:18,270 --> 01:32:20,850
When you're there, I need to report from

2548
01:32:20,850 --> 01:32:21,130
you.

2549
01:32:21,330 --> 01:32:23,730
How much weed you smell while walking on

2550
01:32:23,730 --> 01:32:24,270
the streets?

2551
01:32:25,210 --> 01:32:27,030
If it's as much as I smell here,

2552
01:32:27,130 --> 01:32:27,850
it'll be a lot.

2553
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:29,530
That'll do it.

2554
01:32:29,550 --> 01:32:31,930
Everybody for podcasting 2.0, the board meeting

2555
01:32:31,930 --> 01:32:33,370
will take off next week.

2556
01:32:33,410 --> 01:32:34,510
We'll be back the week after that.

2557
01:32:34,570 --> 01:32:35,650
Have a good one, everybody.

2558
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:36,470
Adios.

2559
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:56,670
You have been listening to podcasting 2.0

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01:32:56,670 --> 01:33:00,670
visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2561
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:04,330
When am I going to build my potty

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01:33:04,330 --> 01:33:04,590
bot?