Episode 251: Pod Snuggle

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Podcasting 2.0 for February 27th, 2026, episode

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251, Pod Snuggle.

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Hello everybody, we are back.

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It's good to be back.

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It's time once again for Podcasting 2.0.

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That's right, everything going on with podcasting and

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everything that is podcasting adjacent.

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This is the board meeting.

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We are in fact the only boardroom that

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brought home the gold for our country.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who could clone your git faster than

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you can today, Levitating Flapjacks.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, the Poxy, it's

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Mr. Dane Jones.

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Hey, don't go being critical of the Daney's

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Menu podcast.

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That's top-notch material.

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Every single Friday, I'm like, I gotta have

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all these opening things, gotta have what about

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the boardroom, and then what is Dave doing?

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And I see that you're cloning gits and

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you're talking about Levitating Flapjacks.

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So there's my perfect opening.

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It's like, what more do I need, man?

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It's perfect.

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The AI slop is just out of control,

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out of control.

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Well, I gotta tell you, I've been very

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happy with my AI slop production machine.

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Well, that's not slop.

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Well, then we have to define slop now,

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don't we?

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Those are tools.

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What is slop exactly?

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This actually needs to be defined.

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What is slop?

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If you like something and it's usable, is

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it slop?

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Yeah, there's a question, huh?

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There's a question.

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Well, here, I'll give you an example.

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Okay, slop is the same as, defining slop

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is like defining what a weed is.

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A weed is just a plant that's in

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a place you don't want it.

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Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true because to

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some people it's just a weed, to others

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it's a smokable treat.

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I don't mean weed weed.

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I mean, I mean the genetic, a weed.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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A weed, not the weed.

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Yes, yes, not the magic plant.

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So, I mean, I don't want to do

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too much about vibe coding because we have

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a lot of real podcasting stuff to discuss,

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but this actually, as I was making this

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for our live station customers, this tool and

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I've learned a lot about guardrails in LLMs.

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Man, it's no wonder Anthropic doesn't want the

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war department to use any of their models

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for autonomous weapons.

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And it's not some morality thing since when

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has Silicon Valley had some morality issue?

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Oh, of course not.

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No, it's because these things hallucinate all the

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time, all the time.

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And you have to put so many guardrails

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around it so that it at least catches

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itself.

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I'm sure these guys like, hey, our stuff's

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not good enough for autonomous weapons.

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You do not want to be using it.

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It can go crazy at the drop of

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a hat.

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You know what the worst model is?

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Grok.

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The XAI models, they lie, they cheat, they

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show you stuff that isn't true.

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Well, that's just like, I mean, it's like

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Twitter.

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It just follows the owner.

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That's what the owner does.

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Exactly.

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So I have this tool and as I

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built this tool, I'm like, man, wouldn't it

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be great to have a podcast app that

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gives you a little promo of the podcast

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that you follow?

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And not that I built it for that.

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I built this to simply have a prompt

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that says, make a promo for the Podcasting

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2.0 podcast.

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Well, let me see what the exact prompt

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Can you demonstrate this in real time?

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Yeah, well, so I'll play one that I

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made and then we can do a random

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So make a promo for the Podcasting 2

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.0 podcast with an approximately 30 second clip

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with a puff sound effects between all elements.

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Use the chic funk music bed, make the

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text relevant to the clip.

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In the intro, say this, this week in

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the Podcasting 2.0 boardroom followed by the

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context you found.

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Remember to end by telling people the Podcasting

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2.0 podcast is on Hello Fred, live

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every Friday with a new episode in the

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Godcaster app and use Todd's voice.

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So that's the prompt.

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And you can actually save this as a

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template.

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And so this was the first try and

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this is what it gave me.

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Wait, what?

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I was pretty impressed by that.

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From poop apps to the future of podcasting.

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I mean, that was impressive.

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You gotta admit, was that impressive or what?

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That was very impressive.

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You showed me this the other day on

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a different show that you're working on.

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And I was pretty blown away about what

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it pulled out of there.

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I mean, couldn't that go directly into the

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soundbite tag?

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It could go into, I mean, you could

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do it as a creator, but why wouldn't,

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I mean, so I'll just give you the

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sequence of this.

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So I'm using a Gemini 2.5 fast,

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I think, just for the prompting stuff.

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So it uses the index API, finds the

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podcast.

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If it's confused, if there's a lot, it

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will ask me, but it usually finds the

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one that needs.

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Then it downloads the episode.

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On device, it uses Whisper to get the

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first 20 minutes of audio.

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Then it sends that back into Gemini 2

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.5 Pro because now you're sending a lot

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of stuff and you want it to kind

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of come up with some good context.

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It brings that back.

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It has an entire time-coded transcript.

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It then fires up FFmpeg to bring in

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all the elements, does the noise ducting, all

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of that.

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And then if you don't like it, you

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can say, well, show me the transcript.

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You say, okay, I want you to add

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this and cut it off after this word,

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and it remixes it and it does it.

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And this is amazing.

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I was just thinking- How much does

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it cost for each one of these?

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It's very cheap, it's very cheap.

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I mean, I've been using this for days

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very intensely and I'd say maybe two bucks

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that I've spent on tokens.

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Almost, yeah, it's almost nothing.

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Now, 11 Labs, I'm afraid to look over

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there.

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Don't look at that bill.

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Don't look at 11 Labs.

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I mean, I have like a 199 subscription

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because I'm doing a lot of stuff with

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this.

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But you can also adjust the voice, make

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it faster, more exciting, slow it down, et

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cetera.

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Let's just try something in real time.

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My point that I'm bringing up here is

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not just because, holy crap, look what I

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made.

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But I see an opportunity for, maybe it's

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for a premium app, but it would be

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pretty cool to just fire up my podcast

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app and it gives me like a one,

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like there's a file sitting right there, play

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this.

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And it says, hey, here's what's happening on

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this week in Bitcoin.

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Is it what's going on with the pod

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news?

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You know, want me to make a playlist?

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I mean, there's a million things that could

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be done.

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It just felt like, hey, that's something that

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you could do as a premium podcast listening

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device.

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Well, yeah, no, I think the remixing, being

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able to remix the content is sort of

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like what we were talking about a few

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weeks ago.

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It's, I mean, it's in the ballpark where

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I was bringing up the idea that you

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could bring in extra, sort of like amendments

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into the podcast that you're listening to, like

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chapters where there wasn't any, but then you

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could also remix stuff into like, you could

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just tell the podcast app to do a

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bunch of stuff to this particular episode you're

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listening to.

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I mean, why not?

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So how about this?

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Make a promo for the pod news weekly

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review podcast, 30 second clip, Hoffsman used the

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chic funk music, but say this, this week

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on the pod news weekly review followed by

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the context you found, remember to end by

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telling people the pod news weekly podcast, weekly

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review podcast, I should say.

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Is it weekly review?

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Yes.

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Is on, I'm just going to make it

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on Hello Fred.

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Review.

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Get your weekly dose of power.

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Hold on.

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By telling people to get their weekly dose

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of power on the, okay.

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And I'm going to ask you to use

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a female voice.

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All right, let's see.

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Oh yeah, that's, that's, yeah, just to change

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it up.

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Okay, so there it goes.

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It's thinking.

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So we have, you were, you were, is

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it, is it, it says it can't find

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pod news weekly review.

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Isn't that what it's called?

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That's what it's called, right?

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Yeah.

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Is pod news one word?

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Unless I'm crazy.

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Pod news weekly review.

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Is it two words, pod news?

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Pod news weekly review.

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That's what it's called.

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Pod news weekly review.

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Let's see.

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See if it finds it.

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Yeah, that's, let's see.

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Let's see.

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Hold on a second.

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Podcast index ID one, three, three, three.

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No, I'm not going to do that.

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I'm not going to do that.

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That's no good.

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Hold on a second.

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Hold on a second.

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Let me just, let me try this again.

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Hold on one second.

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Okay, let me put this in.

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I'm just refreshing the page.

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Who knows how, this is the problem, of

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course.

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It's the winner of the best podcasting podcast

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2025 ear worthy award.

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Oh my goodness.

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All right, let me try it again.

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I didn't even know that.

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If this fails, we'll move on.

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Demo fail.

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Yeah, this is the USB printers of Windows

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98 as well.

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Let's see.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I think this is going to fail.

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But it's fine.

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Let's leave.

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Where does that fail out cure?

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Actually, what is funny enough, what it's failing

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at now is it can't find the music

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bed or the sound effects.

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Oh, you have internet?

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Everything's gone wonky.

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I knew I shouldn't have done this.

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I baited you into it.

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I baited you into a live demo.

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That's my fault.

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Oh, man, this sucks.

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Every time.

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Hold on, every time.

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Hold on, find the puff sound effects.

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Okay, because it can find this stuff.

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I mean, when you showed me the other

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day, it was smooth as butter.

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I mean, it just went right through, no

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problems.

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Yeah, well, I've been working on it.

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Let me just say, you suck.

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All right, you suck.

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I understand you're frustrated.

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Okay.

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It did this perfectly.

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And then also, of course, this demo failed.

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Anyway, we'll move on.

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I'll do a better demo next time.

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Feel bad about this though.

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You were, we didn't have a show last

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week because you were at NRB.

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Yes.

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Other than hanging out with Daniel J.

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Lewis, what would you say you took away

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from that, generally speaking?

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I mean, I know, I'm trying to figure

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out how to ask this question.

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How would you say that the radio industry

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is holding up in 2026, according to what

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you witnessed at NRB?

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And the reason I'm asking it in that

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way is because we got this big story

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from James, I think this morning.

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Yes, yes.

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The podcast listening being bigger than radio.

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Yes.

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Well, first of all, NRB stands for National

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Religious Broadcasters.

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Broadcasters Conference, I guess.

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And so the business model of most faith

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-based radio stations is pretty much value for

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value, with a caveat, with a caveat.

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Oh, hold on, it just did it.

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All right, yes, I don't know.

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Brain fry, okay, it's generating.

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With the caveat that a lot of these

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ministries who have programs focus on the family,

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you know, living on the edge.

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I mean, there's tons of them.

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Even ministries that have dead pastors who, you

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know, they're just using archives.

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They buy airtime on many of these stations.

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Some of it's $100 a day.

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You know, it can be very different.

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So that's kind of been the business model.

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And for the past 20 years, pretty much,

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that model has been slowly eroding for a

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number of reasons.

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One is like, you know, it was always

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kind of, well, you know, people donated to

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your ministry through your website.

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You know, you asked them on the phone.

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They filled out a form.

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So we kind of know it came from

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us.

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So we're still relevant as your radio station.

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But now that for, you know, 10, 20

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years, these ministry programs have been, at the

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end of every program, say, listen to us

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wherever you get your podcasts.

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That is, of course, completely eroded the whole

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reason for radio.

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And the station just let that go, which

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is, you know, I don't think they really

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knew what to do, and this is part

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of the problem we saw to help solve

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that, to bring them into the digital realm.

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So I did a talk, and Daniel J.

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Lewis was there, Dave Jackson was there.

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It's always nice to have the shills in

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the front, you know, nodding their head and

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laughing at every joke.

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Thank you, brothers, I love you so much.

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I love you so much.

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Sometimes these can be tough rooms.

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But I said it right up there.

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I mean, you know, the elephant in the

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room here in this entire convention is, you're

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riding your listeners into heaven.

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And we all know it, but we all

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pretend it's not happening.

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And- And what do you mean specifically

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by that?

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That I know, but other people may not.

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The average age of a listener to a

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faith-based radio station is, I think, 80

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years old.

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And they have- Is that the average?

390
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Yeah, I think so, yeah.

391
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That's- Well, even, I mean, come on,

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even cable news is 67.

393
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You know, it's like, it's an older demographic.

394
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And people aren't listening to radio.

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They listen to streams.

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They're not listening to programs.

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They listen to podcasts.

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And I said, but what an opportunity.

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You know, your listeners have phones.

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You know, they have a smartphone.

401
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They can hit an app, and they need

402
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to be passing this on to their kids

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and their grandkids and showing them what they

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can get.

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And a lot of these stations get it.

406
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But the most beautiful moment, I would say,

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is we had a customer.

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This guy has nine transmitters he's bought up

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over the years in the Massachusetts area.

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He said, I'm right, I'm in pagan heartland,

411
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man.

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Okay, gotcha.

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And he had just purchased a 10th frequency.

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And so we're just having a catch up.

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He says, before we start with this, I

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want to ask you a question.

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Adam, you specifically, you know this stuff.

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Do you think that the people are going

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to move from listening to the radio to

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digital and podcasts?

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And he was the only person that asked

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it.

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So there's this huge, I don't know if

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it's just denial.

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I think a lot of people are like,

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I'm just going to ride this out.

427
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You see a lot of these station owners,

428
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they're in their late 70s.

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They've got a younger, quote unquote, younger station

430
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manager, maybe 50s, maybe late 40s, a couple.

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So it's like a mental block that they

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have, a total mental block for this transition.

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And that's what that article was.

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I have it here.

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Podcasts lead AM, FM and spoken word listening,

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marking a first.

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And that's from Edison Research.

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25% of all daily time spent in

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spoken word audio platforms played an important part

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in how 13 plus spend, I guess that's

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age, spend their day with audio accounting for

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25% of all daily time spent with

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audio.

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And so we're at this convergence point where

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podcasts have gone to 40% of share

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of ear and radio, AM and FM is

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now 39%.

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So here we are.

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Oh, by the way, the promo has been

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created.

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Let's see what it did.

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Ah!

453
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All right.

454
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,380
Oh, that's boring.

455
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,440
So I could ask to remix it.

456
00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:16,040
I could, you know, have a different spot,

457
00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:17,280
but it still did that.

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That's amazing.

459
00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,880
It's just that Sam and James are boring.

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00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:22,740
So that's it.

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00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,700
That's not, and that's not the AI's fault.

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00:19:29,060 --> 00:19:31,580
So this is an incredibly big moment.

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This is a great piece of research.

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Edison is respected.

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And I hope this sends people scurrying.

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It should.

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00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:42,600
I mean, there's still this, certainly for faith

468
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,380
-based radio, there's a huge opportunity.

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Pass it on down, people.

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Let's move.

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But in general, yeah.

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I mean, I think it's the end is

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obvious if you don't transition and make yourself

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and rebrand as a stream and you're digital

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and you got podcasts and, you know, and

476
00:20:01,740 --> 00:20:03,380
you're doing local content.

477
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,840
That's the only reason for radio stations.

478
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,720
You know, that was the whole point.

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It's my local station.

480
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I hear what's going on locally.

481
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,180
You know, this is the whole idea behind

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Hello Fred, Hello Franklin, you know, it's like

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the local, local, local stuff.

484
00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:20,820
And they can do it now with local,

485
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,340
local podcasts, hyper-local podcasting.

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00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,320
Otherwise you're just a bad podcast destination.

487
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,800
I think that there has been a lot

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of rumblings, just nothing concrete.

489
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,740
But talk just occasionally that you, that I

490
00:20:42,740 --> 00:20:44,760
pick up in different articles and that kind

491
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of thing about the future and radio FM,

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AM FM being removed from the car altogether.

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00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,080
I mean, a lot of EVs have already

494
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:54,640
done that.

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00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,760
Well, they have to because AM is unlistenable

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in an EV.

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Because of the interference.

498
00:21:00,420 --> 00:21:02,280
Yeah, you just get static interference, sure.

499
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,500
Yeah, and so- And so if I

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can, just for one second, the NRB spends

501
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,780
an inordinate amount of time, energy, focus, and

502
00:21:13,780 --> 00:21:17,440
money on lobbying Congress to save AM radio,

503
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,080
you know, get a clue.

504
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,160
Yeah, I don't- And they have all

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00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,880
these reasons, you know, like, well, in an

506
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,960
emergency, hey, I've had several emergencies.

507
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,300
I did not go to my AM radio.

508
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FM radio worked just fine.

509
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:31,540
But you know what?

510
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,600
All I heard was, this is fresh air

511
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with Terry Gross.

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They didn't even have anyone at the station.

513
00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:37,940
Yeah.

514
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,600
But the digital, the radio only exists in

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the car.

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I mean, it's the only place that even

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exists anymore.

518
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And if it slowly erodes out of the

519
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car, it doesn't matter if you have a

520
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transmitter or not, you're transmitting to nobody.

521
00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:57,740
And- Exactly.

522
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You have to, it just, it's not really

523
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,660
even, to me, it's not even so much

524
00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:06,600
a demographic shift anymore as it's just eventually,

525
00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:10,560
more and more car manufacturers are just gonna

526
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,240
not see it as necessary.

527
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:17,900
And it'll just slowly erode from everybody's life,

528
00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:20,360
even more so than it already is.

529
00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:22,780
The thing that I was hit by is

530
00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:28,380
that the digital, things shifting from radio to

531
00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:32,420
digital, meaning podcasting and streaming and that kind

532
00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:40,260
of thing, that, if what we heard from

533
00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:44,760
different people is that they really want all

534
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,100
of their content, meaning the station content to

535
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,260
be in an app.

536
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,080
Yeah.

537
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,620
In the station's own app.

538
00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:52,140
Yes.

539
00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:57,240
That sort of siloing does not work well.

540
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,820
You have to be available everywhere.

541
00:22:59,820 --> 00:23:04,320
That's what makes that phrase, everywhere you get

542
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,880
your podcast so powerful is because collectively you

543
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,440
can see podcasting as one giant radio receiver.

544
00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:14,140
It doesn't matter what app you're in, you

545
00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:18,320
can listen to PodNews Weekly Review in 47

546
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,400
different apps.

547
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,200
And this is exactly what I was almost

548
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,180
preaching about a couple of years back with

549
00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:27,620
the Rachel Maddow app.

550
00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:30,440
You know, if you have a choice of

551
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,240
app, then get something that fits your personality,

552
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,040
your profile that is, or adapts to your

553
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,560
personality, your profile.

554
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:41,900
And we basically ate our own dog food

555
00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:43,020
with the Godcaster app.

556
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:44,300
That's exactly what we did.

557
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:48,280
Yeah.

558
00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:50,500
I remember, do you remember back in the

559
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:51,100
early days?

560
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:58,500
I guess maybe this was late nineties, I

561
00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:05,380
guess early 2000s, digital media streaming was really

562
00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:06,140
brand new.

563
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:09,360
And I remember all these different radio shows

564
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,400
had their own app.

565
00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:12,880
So like, no, it wasn't even an app.

566
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,760
It was like, you would go to their

567
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,680
website or you would download like their desktop

568
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:23,500
program, but you had like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn

569
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:27,080
Beck, just naming these ones that I heard

570
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,720
on the radio.

571
00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:29,100
They would announce it on the radio.

572
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:30,420
Then you could like go and get it

573
00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:32,500
on their website.

574
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,700
And they had these, everything was, what I'm

575
00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:36,720
trying to say is like everything was siloed

576
00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:40,400
into a particular piece of software for that

577
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,480
content.

578
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,540
And like you're talking about with the Rachel

579
00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:49,080
Maddow app, the problem is you've got this

580
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,640
content you want to listen to, but you

581
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,940
also have a particular style of app that

582
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:55,720
fits you best.

583
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,720
And you trying to find the convergence of

584
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,040
that is impossible if you silo only, you

585
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,400
silo your content into only this one app.

586
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,480
And it's the only thing that can carry

587
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:09,700
it.

588
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,940
Also what you're doing, if you're a radio

589
00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:19,570
station and you carry a popular program, that

590
00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:22,570
program is going to be available in lots

591
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:23,410
of different places.

592
00:25:23,530 --> 00:25:24,630
This is my point.

593
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:27,550
Radio stations need to get back to their

594
00:25:27,550 --> 00:25:30,770
roots of bringing local programming.

595
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:37,470
What's happening and with podcasting, you can have

596
00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:39,890
everybody spin up a podcast feed, but we've

597
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:46,610
gotten into this very strange mindset collectively that

598
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:48,810
a podcast means, first of all, I got

599
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:50,570
to be sitting at a desk with headphones

600
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:50,910
on.

601
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:51,730
It's got to be video.

602
00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:52,750
It's got to be on YouTube.

603
00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:53,910
I got to be like Joe Rogan.

604
00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:55,270
I got to get lots of likes and

605
00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:55,490
views.

606
00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:55,870
No.

607
00:25:57,110 --> 00:26:00,030
So whenever I talk about hyper-local podcasting,

608
00:26:00,070 --> 00:26:01,930
I get hundreds of emails of people saying,

609
00:26:02,010 --> 00:26:03,290
I never thought of it that way.

610
00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:06,290
I could actually do something about my school

611
00:26:06,290 --> 00:26:09,390
board, but that would be great.

612
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:10,030
Yes.

613
00:26:10,270 --> 00:26:11,990
And there's no money in it for you.

614
00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:13,710
And you're going to do it as a

615
00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:15,550
side gig just because you're doing it for

616
00:26:15,550 --> 00:26:16,210
your community.

617
00:26:17,670 --> 00:26:21,150
Maybe there's some local advertising that may be

618
00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:24,310
possible, but that's not the reason to be

619
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:24,750
doing it.

620
00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:27,470
And when you give people that framing, then

621
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:29,490
their eyes go wide open.

622
00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:32,270
And that is what radio stations need to

623
00:26:32,270 --> 00:26:35,830
do because now they're just literally transmitters rebroadcasting

624
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:36,910
national programming.

625
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:39,970
Maybe they have local news or local weather

626
00:26:40,450 --> 00:26:42,930
or local traffic, which is also very valid,

627
00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:44,830
but you got to have more.

628
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,000
Yeah, I agree.

629
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:58,100
The problem is Christian radio and just religious

630
00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:00,540
radio in general is catching up to something

631
00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:03,380
that's way, way already down the road.

632
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,060
I don't think it's exclusive to them.

633
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,140
This is universal.

634
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:08,280
Really?

635
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:08,800
Oh yeah.

636
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:12,460
Just radio in general, TV, radio and broadcast.

637
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:14,220
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

638
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,100
Hey, I asked it to remix the promo

639
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,400
with our comments, which was use a different

640
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,380
context to make the voice more excited.

641
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,560
You want to hear it?

642
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:23,860
Sure.

643
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,980
Well, fail on the excitement part.

644
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:30,580
This narrator is terrible.

645
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:32,520
Well, I chose a female voice.

646
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,840
Not this bit.

647
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,420
Well, it took the instructions the wrong way.

648
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,940
We get, that's better, but we got work

649
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:29,740
to do.

650
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,160
Hey, let's just talk about this Apple video

651
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,080
thing for a second, because I've gone back

652
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,000
and forth and on one hand, I'm like,

653
00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:39,580
so I'll give you the conclusion here, which

654
00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:42,360
is, is it a curse or it is

655
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:42,920
a blessing?

656
00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:48,120
Because on one hand, the Apple is going

657
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,700
to present video in their podcast app.

658
00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:54,300
On the other hand, they've completely broken, removed

659
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:58,440
everything about RSS, which very few people seem

660
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,480
to be complaining about.

661
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,560
I'm in the super secret WhatsApp chat group.

662
00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:03,780
I'm like, this is interesting.

663
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:06,520
No one is saying, what are they doing?

664
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,120
How come they didn't follow any spec, no

665
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,340
alternate enclosure, none of this stuff.

666
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,640
And now they want to get into the

667
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,260
ad business.

668
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,460
What is going on?

669
00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:17,060
So that's kind of one way that I

670
00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:17,420
look at.

671
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:18,520
And then I look at it another way

672
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,620
and go, maybe this is the most genius

673
00:29:21,620 --> 00:29:22,720
thing they could have done.

674
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:27,020
Because this video thing is really something different

675
00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:29,680
from podcasting, in my personal opinion.

676
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:35,260
And so when they remove it from the

677
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:39,460
connection to the feed and the entire infrastructure

678
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:42,000
that's been built up around it, maybe they're

679
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,080
doing this to keep podcasting as it is

680
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,540
pure.

681
00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:47,120
What are your thoughts?

682
00:29:47,780 --> 00:29:48,940
Let's dive in.

683
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,140
Do you want to do a deep dive?

684
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,280
Let's do a deep dive.

685
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,640
I'll just put my card on the table

686
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,180
first.

687
00:29:58,660 --> 00:29:59,960
You only have one, you should have five.

688
00:30:00,020 --> 00:30:00,920
You should have five cards.

689
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,440
I only have one at the moment.

690
00:30:03,780 --> 00:30:06,240
Ace of spades up his sleeve, ladies and

691
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,400
gentlemen.

692
00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:12,160
I think that Apple will absolutely 100%

693
00:30:12,860 --> 00:30:15,080
support the alternate enclosure tag.

694
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,620
Hmm, it's at some point in the future.

695
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:24,260
I don't know, you know, can't say if

696
00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:25,300
it'll be very quick.

697
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:28,560
Could it be just silently, it may just

698
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,500
silently exist alongside this thing that they're doing.

699
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,400
I don't know, but this is not just

700
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,360
hoping and wishing.

701
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,720
I really, I'm hesitant to say that I

702
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,340
know this for a fact, but I just,

703
00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:49,420
I have a strong belief that this is

704
00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:50,440
what they're going to do.

705
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:54,640
And that's actually based on information and not

706
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,600
just hoping and wishing.

707
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:58,180
I know that, I just feel that-

708
00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:00,120
Wait a minute, are you not under NDA?

709
00:31:00,340 --> 00:31:01,300
Everyone else is.

710
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:04,240
No, absolutely not.

711
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,940
I just, they're just going to do it.

712
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,600
I just know that they are.

713
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:16,140
And what form that takes is anybody's guess.

714
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:18,380
But I think that at some, let me

715
00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:21,160
try to be even more clear than I'm

716
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,680
being not clear enough, maybe.

717
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:29,880
What I'm saying is either with the next

718
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,880
release or at some point later on, they

719
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,360
will open up the Apple Podcasts app to

720
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,040
just pass the alternate enclosure with an HLS

721
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,460
stream through to everyone and not have to

722
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:43,640
do this big partner thing.

723
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:44,160
What?

724
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,600
Okay, so this is the other part that

725
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,780
kind of bugs me.

726
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,920
And I know it's beta, or some would

727
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,620
say beta.

728
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,240
And it's new territory.

729
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,880
I'm not quite sure why they needed to

730
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,020
be in the ad part portion of it.

731
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,540
I don't exactly understand why, and maybe I'm

732
00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:06,320
just missing that.

733
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,880
I completely understand seeing the news about Spotify's

734
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,940
top charts for video, including porn, that maybe

735
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:17,020
we have to now hire more people to

736
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:18,020
scan this stuff.

737
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,620
What are people actually putting up there?

738
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,620
I can see that being something Apple would

739
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:22,740
be very careful about.

740
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,840
But the fact that app builders don't really

741
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,300
know what they're doing.

742
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:31,640
I mean, yeah, you can focus on your

743
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,880
four launch partners, hosting partners, but the whole

744
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,180
point of RSS is it's open and everybody

745
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:39,200
can play.

746
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:42,800
And so it feels like, ah, you can't

747
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,440
participate, you stupid apps.

748
00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:47,220
It just feels icky to me.

749
00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:48,700
I don't like that.

750
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:51,280
And no one complains about this.

751
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,100
Well, I'm a hosting partner.

752
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:55,860
I signed my NDA, bada, bada, bada.

753
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:57,300
Okay, but how about the app guys?

754
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,400
You're just cutting them out?

755
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,720
Like, this is the best thing since sliced

756
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,520
bread and Apple is so awesome?

757
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,260
No.

758
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:08,980
Well, it makes no, we'll have to see

759
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:09,820
how it plays out.

760
00:33:09,980 --> 00:33:13,520
But from a hosting company standpoint, it really

761
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,680
doesn't make any sense to go to all

762
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,460
the trouble to encode all of this video

763
00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:22,740
into HLS and then not also just stick

764
00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:23,880
it into the RSS feed.

765
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,720
Because you already have it.

766
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,180
So we'll have to wait and see what

767
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:31,280
they actually do.

768
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:36,540
But if iHeart app and all the, and

769
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:39,380
these other apps are saying, well, we are

770
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:41,640
going to support HLS through the alternate enclosure

771
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:47,200
tag, then you already have an incentive to

772
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,440
go ahead and put it in there.

773
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:53,200
I feel, you know, Apple's methodology here to

774
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,320
me feels very consistent.

775
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,460
This is what their MO has been over

776
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:01,520
the last few years.

777
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,380
Yeah, deliver a super experience for their user.

778
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:11,460
For their user, but also, how do I

779
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:11,980
describe this?

780
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:19,280
They're trying to have a perfect experience for

781
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,679
their user first, but also support the open

782
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:24,179
thing.

783
00:34:24,989 --> 00:34:27,400
Right, like what they did with transcripts.

784
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,860
Yeah, they're like, we're going to ingest the

785
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:35,420
alternate, they're going to ingest the transcript, but

786
00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:38,060
we're also going to auto-create the transcript.

787
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:41,719
They're doing this sort of like hybrid strategy

788
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,860
where they're hyper-focused on making their thing

789
00:34:45,860 --> 00:34:50,400
work perfectly, but they're also going to support

790
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,320
this other, they're going to acknowledge the open

791
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,060
way of doing it and make sure that

792
00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:59,200
that doesn't fail, that they're still playing by

793
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,180
what they see the open source community doing.

794
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,640
And I think that is what is going

795
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,460
to happen here.

796
00:35:08,860 --> 00:35:13,380
I think that the HLS thing is such

797
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:16,040
a, and I've got a little bit more

798
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,360
thoughts about this because we want to talk

799
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,480
about PodPing, right?

800
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,180
Well, we want to talk about a lot

801
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:23,500
of things, but clearly Ted Hossman and you

802
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,400
had a conversation you can't tell us about,

803
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:26,580
I appreciate it.

804
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:28,680
No, that's not, absolutely not.

805
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,220
I've had zero, no.

806
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,520
I've had zero conversation with Ted about any

807
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,140
of this stuff.

808
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:36,980
I'm just messing with you and with Ted,

809
00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:37,600
obviously.

810
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,780
So I feel like this is now their

811
00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:45,100
MO, so we can see what the pattern

812
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:48,040
is and that sets an expectation for the

813
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,360
way this is going to play out.

814
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,540
So that's really good then.

815
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:53,620
The only part I'm still confused about is

816
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:55,160
why do they want to play in the

817
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:55,740
ad part?

818
00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:57,040
I just don't get it.

819
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,600
Yeah, I don't.

820
00:36:01,940 --> 00:36:04,280
It doesn't matter to me, but it just

821
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,660
seems strange.

822
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:08,860
That was the strangest part to me too.

823
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,860
And the only thing I can come up

824
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:12,900
with is that they know that they have

825
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,240
a huge audience and they're giving access to

826
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,040
that audience and they want to monetize it.

827
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:18,120
Okay.

828
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,220
I mean, Apple Podcasts is a large audience

829
00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:22,200
that could be addressed.

830
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,700
You could address a humongous audience of millions

831
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,880
of people within, boom, just like that by

832
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,900
flipping this switch on.

833
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,900
And to me, it seems like they consider

834
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:35,560
that to be very valuable and they just

835
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,620
want to- Kind of a first though,

836
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,340
kind of a first because they've always had

837
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:40,260
a huge valuable audience, but this is a

838
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:42,840
first that they're doing that with and they're

839
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,780
doing it with video.

840
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,940
Does that mean audio's to come?

841
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:48,900
To me, that's just being kind of glossed

842
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:50,260
over, like, okay.

843
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,780
Maybe a second, not a first, because I

844
00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:54,540
mean, they already did it with subscriptions.

845
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,800
So they are in the charging for content

846
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,000
through the Apple- Yeah, but there's actual

847
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,080
infrastructure there.

848
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,760
Payments, they're doing that.

849
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:08,120
They're doing the storage, special whoopie doopie stuff.

850
00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:11,180
But okay, I feel better.

851
00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:13,940
And first of all, I wasn't even feeling

852
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:14,920
bad about it at all.

853
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,920
I'm still rather dubious as to what the

854
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,980
success will be because I remember the launch

855
00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:25,700
of podcasting in Apple and this were the

856
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:27,700
days when it was the Rock and Roll

857
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:29,720
Geek Show with Michael Butler, it was Don

858
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:31,940
and Drew Show, it was Callie Lewis, it

859
00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:34,700
was Daily Source Code, it was the Gilmore

860
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:35,140
Gang.

861
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:37,640
And then they launch and right there on

862
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,900
the front page of iTunes, iTunes that you

863
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:43,460
use to sync up your iPod was NPR,

864
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,200
PBS, BBC.

865
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:49,780
Even though everything was findable, they really went

866
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:50,220
mainstream.

867
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:54,440
And I predict they will probably do that

868
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:54,880
again.

869
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,360
And it will be your typical shows that

870
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,960
get all of the front-facing airtime promotion.

871
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680
And from their perspective, rightly so.

872
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:10,460
Watch the BBC in Apple Podcasts, I can

873
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:11,160
understand that.

874
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:14,600
But we'll see, we'll see.

875
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:24,530
I think the larger goal from our perspective

876
00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:29,670
is that the alternate enclosure would be backed

877
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:32,670
up with live support.

878
00:38:33,850 --> 00:38:36,570
Yes, live support.

879
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:39,130
This is what I don't understand.

880
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:45,830
Apple should be so supporting live, specifically for

881
00:38:45,830 --> 00:38:46,870
these radio stations.

882
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:50,810
They could endear every single radio station overnight.

883
00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:52,070
Overnight!

884
00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:56,130
And everything's written, it works, it's proven, it's

885
00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:57,830
all there, it's good to go.

886
00:38:58,910 --> 00:39:00,410
I know they got a team and they

887
00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:03,490
have to make priorities, but wow, what a

888
00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:05,390
huge market opportunity for them.

889
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:13,090
Here's a visionary sort of scenario, like just

890
00:39:13,090 --> 00:39:14,110
thinking into the future.

891
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:18,050
Thinking into the future with Dave Jones.

892
00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:20,330
He's going into the future.

893
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:27,450
You can imagine a scenario where Apple Podcasts,

894
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:29,890
and I think I've described this somewhere before,

895
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:32,710
you can imagine a scenario where Apple Podcasts

896
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:41,130
will alert you when the Apple keynote goes

897
00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:41,570
live.

898
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:42,670
Exactly.

899
00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:46,290
You tap on the thing, boom, you're watching

900
00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:48,950
the latest Apple event keynote.

901
00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:49,770
Yes.

902
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:53,090
And in order to do this, though, you

903
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:54,710
need multiple parts.

904
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:55,670
You need pod ping.

905
00:39:56,190 --> 00:40:01,210
You need HLS video, which they now have,

906
00:40:01,210 --> 00:40:07,030
or they will shortly, and you need live

907
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:07,830
notifications.

908
00:40:08,590 --> 00:40:08,890
Pod ping.

909
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:12,570
So you need a couple of things.

910
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:15,710
Now, you need a couple of things, and

911
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:19,850
that, so the HLS is the heavy lift.

912
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:25,150
The pod ping notification is the easier part.

913
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:31,190
But we, this prompted, this whole thing prompted

914
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:36,910
me to take some action on a thing

915
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:40,870
that Alex and I had been, a concept

916
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:43,130
that we had been bouncing around for a

917
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:46,010
while when it comes to pod ping.

918
00:40:49,570 --> 00:40:53,210
So pod ping, what I did this week,

919
00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:56,970
and I need to find the post.

920
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:58,010
You find the post.

921
00:40:58,130 --> 00:41:00,270
What I did this week with Dave Jones.

922
00:41:02,570 --> 00:41:03,730
Let's dive in.

923
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:05,390
Where is he?

924
00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:06,550
He's right here.

925
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:08,570
Dive, dive, dive.

926
00:41:08,570 --> 00:41:10,070
Is that Todd or who is?

927
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:11,250
No, that's me.

928
00:41:11,530 --> 00:41:15,630
Dave with his deep thoughts on pod ping.

929
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:22,250
Let's see, where's the, where's the post?

930
00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:23,890
Oh, here it is.

931
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:24,830
Okay, I got it, I got it.

932
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:27,030
All right, so copy link.

933
00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:27,750
There we go.

934
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:29,650
And so this will tell you how to

935
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:30,410
join the party.

936
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:35,390
Um, this is, so I, what I did

937
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:39,290
was I, I cloned the podping.cloud repo.

938
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:40,010
So podping.

939
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:42,950
Let's do a refresher here real quick.

940
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:45,610
If we, if we may.

941
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:52,910
Um, podping.cloud is how the world pretty

942
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:55,090
much interacts with podping.

943
00:41:55,830 --> 00:41:58,230
Uh, podping being the notification system.

944
00:41:58,230 --> 00:42:00,130
Is that a single, let's just get it

945
00:42:00,130 --> 00:42:00,410
all down.

946
00:42:00,450 --> 00:42:02,370
Is that a single server living somewhere?

947
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:04,350
It's five servers.

948
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:04,790
Okay.

949
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:06,910
Uh, all load balanced.

950
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:08,650
Who's running those?

951
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:09,610
Me.

952
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:10,310
Yeah.

953
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:10,790
Yeah.

954
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:12,010
It's good.

955
00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:14,650
It's good.

956
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:18,910
Uh, so yeah, they've been running for years

957
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:22,390
now with, I mean, virtually zero downtime.

958
00:42:23,550 --> 00:42:25,530
Uh, I think we may have had a

959
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:27,370
few minutes of downtime once.

960
00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:27,950
Yeah.

961
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:32,490
But the, so those, there are five geographically

962
00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:37,150
separated servers that are running the podping.cloud

963
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:37,810
software.

964
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:40,470
And all this does is it allows you

965
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:44,850
to send a notification that a, your, that

966
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:47,270
a pod, that a RSS feed has, has

967
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:51,290
changed in some way, also you can send

968
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:55,030
a reason code with it, like update or

969
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:57,770
live or live ended.

970
00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:00,550
So you can, there's a few notification options.

971
00:43:02,670 --> 00:43:05,330
Those, what podping.cloud does is it accepts

972
00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:07,990
the, the, the URL, the feed URL, and

973
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:11,990
the reason code, and then posts that notification

974
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:13,190
to the Hive blockchain.

975
00:43:13,610 --> 00:43:15,170
So that's the way this has always worked.

976
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:17,850
The back, the backing of this thing is

977
00:43:17,850 --> 00:43:18,710
the Hive blockchain.

978
00:43:19,070 --> 00:43:22,830
Um, and that's, that's where these things ultimately

979
00:43:22,830 --> 00:43:25,590
end up so that what you, so that

980
00:43:25,590 --> 00:43:29,110
if you're quote unquote, watching or listening to

981
00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:31,830
podping, watching for these updates to come through,

982
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:37,610
what you're watching is the Hive blockchain blocks

983
00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:38,830
being created in real time.

984
00:43:38,830 --> 00:43:40,350
And you're just picking up the feed URLs

985
00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:41,530
out of those, out of this block.

986
00:43:41,530 --> 00:43:43,310
With the idea that you can always walk

987
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:45,650
back up the chain and find something in

988
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:46,550
all perpetuity.

989
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:47,670
Correct.

990
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:49,350
And that, yes, exactly.

991
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:51,030
That, that was one of the technical goals

992
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:52,650
of the project is that you would not

993
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:55,210
have to have your, a server watching in

994
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:57,150
real time all the time, like you do

995
00:43:57,150 --> 00:44:01,430
with WebSub, that, or RSS.cloud, you wouldn't

996
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:03,310
have to have a server running all the

997
00:44:03,310 --> 00:44:04,090
time that was watching.

998
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:07,390
You could just periodically pull this thing, you

999
00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:09,810
know, with a script on your desktop, whatever,

1000
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:11,730
you know, and, and, and get these, get

1001
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:13,430
all the notifications back to the beginning of

1002
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:14,310
time if you wanted to.

1003
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:17,150
So you could play catch up anytime you

1004
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:17,530
needed to.

1005
00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:19,190
You're not going to miss it.

1006
00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:25,170
So I think that what is important to

1007
00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:27,790
do sometimes is step back and look at

1008
00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:35,250
whether the technical goals align with the aims

1009
00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:38,430
of what you're trying to achieve.

1010
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:43,810
And what we're trying to achieve with Podping

1011
00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:46,070
are a few things.

1012
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:49,770
We're trying to, and we've mentioned a couple

1013
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:51,730
of them already, not have to run a

1014
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:58,510
server, not have to, um, pull RSS feed

1015
00:44:58,510 --> 00:45:01,790
URLs a thousand times a day just to

1016
00:45:01,790 --> 00:45:03,050
see if they may have changed once.

1017
00:45:03,590 --> 00:45:05,210
There's lots of goals here.

1018
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:08,650
One, but there's a couple of them that

1019
00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:12,810
really haven't been expressed, but they are important.

1020
00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:15,350
And, and one of those is it just

1021
00:45:15,350 --> 00:45:20,370
has to work rock solid 100% of

1022
00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:23,590
the time rock solid without fail.

1023
00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:25,950
I'm like, I'm one of those, uh, like

1024
00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:27,310
one of those hip hop guys who stands

1025
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:32,150
in the back callback, the backup guy, you

1026
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:33,630
say rock solid.

1027
00:45:35,850 --> 00:45:37,690
It's like the hip hop version of Ed

1028
00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:38,070
McMahon.

1029
00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:44,090
And so if it's not, and there's a

1030
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:49,930
reason for this, we want the entire world

1031
00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:52,670
of podcasting, the big players, the big platforms

1032
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:59,210
to use Podping because it enables the live

1033
00:45:59,210 --> 00:46:03,970
feature as well as rapid polling and future

1034
00:46:03,970 --> 00:46:05,090
things that we develop.

1035
00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:07,930
It is a, I consider it to be

1036
00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:11,850
a critical piece of infrastructure for podcasting's future.

1037
00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:14,970
So we want, do we want the big

1038
00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:17,030
platforms to use this thing, but they will

1039
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:18,930
not use it unless it is solid and

1040
00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:19,410
dependable.

1041
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:21,790
And even then it's questionable.

1042
00:46:22,610 --> 00:46:24,110
And you can't, well, you can't blame them

1043
00:46:24,110 --> 00:46:25,790
if it's going up and down all the

1044
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:28,290
time, which, which it doesn't, but, but if

1045
00:46:28,290 --> 00:46:30,650
it, if it did, I mean, they, they

1046
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:32,070
couldn't use, they can't depend on that.

1047
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:33,530
Well, and also let's be fair.

1048
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:37,570
You're using CloudFlare, you're using AWS, it's like,

1049
00:46:38,090 --> 00:46:41,130
shit happens, bottom line.

1050
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:41,510
For sure.

1051
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:41,930
Yes.

1052
00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:42,770
Yeah.

1053
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:45,690
And, and in that world, in that respect,

1054
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:48,470
it's no different than any system.

1055
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:50,570
So it's going to, you know, sitting the,

1056
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:53,290
setting those things that are beyond control aside,

1057
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:55,890
those sort of like acts of God.

1058
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:59,670
But there's the beauty about a blockchain is

1059
00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:02,370
that in theory, no one can mess with

1060
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:04,230
it, no one can, no one owns it,

1061
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:06,130
no one can rip it away, no one

1062
00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:07,550
can monetize it differently.

1063
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:10,670
You know, there's, there's, there's benefits to it,

1064
00:47:10,810 --> 00:47:13,370
to an open public blockchain that has enough

1065
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:14,330
nodes to run it.

1066
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:16,390
Well, I don't think, see, and this, okay,

1067
00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:17,670
well, this is where we're going here.

1068
00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:20,450
I don't think that's inherent to what a

1069
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:21,510
blockchain is though.

1070
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:22,070
Okay.

1071
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:23,390
Because blockchains can go away.

1072
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:24,030
Yeah.

1073
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:25,650
They can be, can be forked off.

1074
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:27,990
They, there's a lot, there's, there's a lot

1075
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:29,410
of things that can happen to them.

1076
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:35,650
You know, the more distributed a system, if

1077
00:47:35,650 --> 00:47:37,610
you have a distributed system that produces a

1078
00:47:37,610 --> 00:47:40,710
blockchain, it's more resilient to that, but it's

1079
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:45,160
still not, it's still possible that a blockchain

1080
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:45,680
can fail.

1081
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,120
Because blockchain, you know, blockchains are just data

1082
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,580
that exists in a server somewhere.

1083
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:56,580
And so what the idea that Alex and

1084
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:58,160
I've been kicking around for a couple of

1085
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,900
years now is having a second layer.

1086
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:08,860
So, um, Hive continues to function just like

1087
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:13,060
it always has and, and Hive can do

1088
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:14,880
its, you know, can be itself and do

1089
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,420
its own thing.

1090
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,240
But then we have a separate, a second

1091
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:19,760
layer for redundancy.

1092
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,320
And the second layer is some sort of

1093
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:33,660
distributed peer to peer gossiping system, and this

1094
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:36,500
would ideally be bootstrapped over DHT.

1095
00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:40,440
Nothing like a little distributed hash space.

1096
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:40,880
What is it?

1097
00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:41,240
Hash?

1098
00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:42,240
Table.

1099
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,100
Oh yes.

1100
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:44,480
Distributed hash table.

1101
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:45,040
Yeah.

1102
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:53,360
And so the most popular DHT space, if

1103
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,120
you want to say it that way, out

1104
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,100
there forever has been the same one that

1105
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,040
the BitTorrent system uses.

1106
00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:59,380
Sure.

1107
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,080
The main, the mainline DHT.

1108
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:05,820
And so this distributed hash table could take,

1109
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:11,360
uh, could take care of bootstrapping the nodes

1110
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,880
to get them to communicate with one another.

1111
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:16,640
So we found this library a while back

1112
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,920
called Iroh, I-R-O-H.

1113
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,260
Yes.

1114
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,100
I remember this.

1115
00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:21,240
Yeah.

1116
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:23,560
And so we played around with it a

1117
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,160
little bit and then, uh, you know, and

1118
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,360
then it dropped, but with the recent, um.

1119
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,240
Upgrades.

1120
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:29,560
Recent.

1121
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:29,840
Yeah.

1122
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,880
And it's, that library has moved along and

1123
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,320
it's a lot more solid now and it

1124
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,840
has a new thing called a, um, it's

1125
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,800
called Iroh Docs.

1126
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,000
And so it's a distributed document store where,

1127
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,260
um, the documents are stored cryptographically with a

1128
00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:47,880
key that's in part of the, with a

1129
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,060
key in the hash table.

1130
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:51,380
Does just a quick question.

1131
00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:53,540
Does IPFS also run over this or is

1132
00:49:53,540 --> 00:49:55,320
that their own, uh, hash space?

1133
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,400
Ooh, that's a question.

1134
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,820
I don't know the answer to that.

1135
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,180
Ignore, ignore, ignore.

1136
00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:04,460
I don't know if IPFS runs on that,

1137
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,480
on the mainline DHT.

1138
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,560
I would imagine it does, but maybe.

1139
00:50:08,980 --> 00:50:13,020
The, so, so I got in and just

1140
00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:17,320
started trying to hash this thing out, uh,

1141
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,340
over the past week and pretty quickly got

1142
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:23,060
something running because the beautiful thing about podping

1143
00:50:23,060 --> 00:50:29,260
.cloud is that it's a very simplistic architecture,

1144
00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:32,160
but it's simple, but rock solid.

1145
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,020
You have a web server front end that

1146
00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:40,860
accepts the submissions from, uh, hosting companies and,

1147
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,160
and podcasters about whether, you know, updating their,

1148
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:46,400
their feed, sending a notification.

1149
00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:51,600
That web server front end takes the notification,

1150
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,260
takes that incoming URL and reason code and

1151
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:57,840
medium code, puts it into a queue in

1152
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,820
a, in a database, a SQLite database, and

1153
00:51:01,820 --> 00:51:06,280
then it pushes those updates over a ZMQ

1154
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,660
socket, which on the back end of the

1155
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:15,120
socket connects to one or more, what we

1156
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:15,800
call writers.

1157
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,100
So the right, you can, to, to date,

1158
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,040
the only writer that has ever, that we've

1159
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,580
ever had has been the Hive writer.

1160
00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:28,380
So it takes those incoming messages over the

1161
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:31,120
ZMQ socket and writes them to the Hive

1162
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,620
blockchain through one of a dozen or less

1163
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:38,800
today, uh, Hive API servers.

1164
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,060
That's the way the system's always worked, but

1165
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:44,920
the Z, but the fact that it's using

1166
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,040
ZMQ and it's using a, um, it's using

1167
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,520
a binary schema protocol called Captain Proto, and

1168
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,640
that is, um, that is more robust than

1169
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,800
something just like a JSON message because it

1170
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,080
has a, has a strict schema and it,

1171
00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:04,580
it enforces adherence to that schema.

1172
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,560
So because of that, you can just take

1173
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,040
this schema, plug in a different writer to

1174
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,440
the ZMQ socket on the backside, and suddenly

1175
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,720
now you're writing to two places or three

1176
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,940
places or four or whatever, however many you

1177
00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:20,900
want to do.

1178
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:24,660
So this is just really a good plug

1179
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:25,840
and play type architecture.

1180
00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:27,720
So what I did was I just took

1181
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:33,440
the Hive writer, um, the message structure, or

1182
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,420
excuse me, the, the, the, yeah, the Captain

1183
00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:38,280
Proto, uh, schema message structure and just built

1184
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,080
a new writer that would write to the

1185
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,960
Eero document space.

1186
00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:43,900
How do you spell Eero?

1187
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:46,200
I-R-O-H.

1188
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:46,760
Yeah.

1189
00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:48,500
Um, another question.

1190
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:55,520
So what is the update, um, time across

1191
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,980
the, the Eero hash space?

1192
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,420
I mean, is it because pod ping is

1193
00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:01,900
pretty quick.

1194
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:03,140
Oh, it's within a, it's within a second.

1195
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:04,120
Really?

1196
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:05,800
Is it, is it?

1197
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:07,600
I would, go ahead, go ahead.

1198
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,660
I would encourage everybody to, uh, go to

1199
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:14,160
that post that I made and down, download.

1200
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:17,020
You don't have to run the whole repo.

1201
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:18,800
This is what I did was I forked

1202
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,220
podping.cloud into a new repo, renamed it

1203
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:23,560
to podping.alpha for this testing phase that

1204
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,460
we're doing, and you can download that repo

1205
00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:30,540
and all you have to do is really

1206
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,240
just build the listener.

1207
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,680
So there's a folder in there called gossip

1208
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:35,600
-listener.

1209
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,740
So if you go into that folder and

1210
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:40,080
just, and do a cargo build, that's the

1211
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,080
way you build a Rust, uh, binary.

1212
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,680
Yes, because it's a Rust crate.

1213
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:45,360
So you want to build a cargo from

1214
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:45,720
a crate.

1215
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,500
I get it.

1216
00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:47,260
That's right.

1217
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:47,700
That's right.

1218
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,100
Uh, so if you just build the gossip

1219
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:54,400
listener and run it, just do cargo run

1220
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,460
inside that folder and it'll build everything and

1221
00:53:57,460 --> 00:53:59,600
then what you will end up with, it

1222
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,500
should just launch and within a few seconds,

1223
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:04,220
you'll just start getting pod pinged.

1224
00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:04,660
Question.

1225
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,860
Is this lightweight enough to bake into an

1226
00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:09,160
app device side?

1227
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:18,360
It is, except that you have the constant

1228
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,680
problem on mobile of getting evicted out of

1229
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:20,920
memory.

1230
00:54:21,060 --> 00:54:23,420
So you'd have to read every time you

1231
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:23,920
come back.

1232
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,680
You know, if you're in the background, you

1233
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,700
can't bootstrap this every single time in the

1234
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:27,980
background.

1235
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:28,380
Okay.

1236
00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:28,840
Yeah.

1237
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,000
Mobile apps just have so many restrictions about

1238
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,660
memory usage.

1239
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:32,860
Yeah.

1240
00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:35,880
As great as the mobile revolution has been,

1241
00:54:35,980 --> 00:54:37,620
it sucks so bad.

1242
00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:38,760
It does.

1243
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,020
There's a lot that just sucks.

1244
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Uh-huh.

1245
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:42,760
Yeah.

1246
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,320
It, these devices are just so locked down

1247
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,220
and so prohibited from doing anything in the

1248
00:54:48,220 --> 00:54:48,720
background.

1249
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,120
But yet Bixby wants to help me all

1250
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:51,600
the time.

1251
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:53,600
It's right.

1252
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,840
It's, it's, I think, so what you have

1253
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,240
to end up doing is what Franco did,

1254
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,680
which is you run a $5 a month.

1255
00:55:03,820 --> 00:55:04,020
Lindo.

1256
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:05,660
Yeah.

1257
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,420
And, and the whole, the whole pod ping

1258
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:10,040
dot cloud system on five servers.

1259
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,360
It only costs like 20 bucks, 30, 30

1260
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,580
bucks a month to run it.

1261
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,940
And it's been running for years with no

1262
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:19,280
downtime.

1263
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,140
So this removes the hive blockchain part.

1264
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,360
It does not remove hive.

1265
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,060
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1266
00:55:26,060 --> 00:55:29,740
That this is, so what this is, this

1267
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:33,700
is just a, a testing phase to get

1268
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:40,880
things going on, uh, the gossip channel and

1269
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,700
run it for a while, work out the

1270
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:46,080
bugs and then, and then bake the writer,

1271
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,680
this new gossip writer into the pod ping

1272
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,420
dot cloud architecture, but you can't rip, there's

1273
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:56,160
no reason to rip out hive.

1274
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,840
I mean, there's this hive can continue to

1275
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,580
work the same way it always does.

1276
00:56:01,580 --> 00:56:06,340
This is just, this is for now, at

1277
00:56:06,340 --> 00:56:09,920
least just an additional distribution mechanism.

1278
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:16,380
The, the problem that we've run into with

1279
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:16,920
hive.

1280
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:17,980
Load balancing.

1281
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,140
Well, I don't really, the list of hive

1282
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:28,380
node API notes seems to have changed recently

1283
00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:31,600
to the extent that we've, that people have

1284
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:32,840
been having trouble.

1285
00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:34,520
They've had to go in and sort of

1286
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,720
manually edit their list of hive notes.

1287
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:41,360
And I think that was behind some of

1288
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,160
the, some of the latency that was going

1289
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,560
on with like getting live notifications and that

1290
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,000
kind of thing.

1291
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:52,760
So, um, cause Eric PP and, uh, which

1292
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,480
was it?

1293
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,040
Um, Mitch, Cameron, uh, Eric PP and a

1294
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,240
couple other people were talking about that last

1295
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,400
week, they were saying that they finally figured

1296
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,360
out the problem was that the hive node

1297
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,980
list was out of date because of these

1298
00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:07,760
API servers anyway.

1299
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:10,500
So I, I started vetting the servers and

1300
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,500
I'm producing a list now of, of validated

1301
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:17,400
hive servers that are up and running anyway,

1302
00:57:17,660 --> 00:57:23,260
not, not really that important, but the, this,

1303
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:26,480
this is a way to do it.

1304
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,380
You know, from the beginning, I've always been

1305
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:34,180
concerned about putting all eggs in one basket.

1306
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:34,860
Of course.

1307
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,120
Always, that has always been a concern of

1308
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:38,260
me.

1309
00:57:38,340 --> 00:57:41,400
My question to Brian multiple, you know, many

1310
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,020
times has always been what if hive goes

1311
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:43,280
away?

1312
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,660
And so this is, this is how we

1313
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:49,940
solve for the question of what if hive

1314
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:50,420
goes away?

1315
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,760
I mean, ideally it wouldn't, it would never

1316
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,160
go away and it will just continue to

1317
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,180
run like it always has.

1318
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,340
But I can't just base all that on

1319
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:00,640
hope.

1320
00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:04,640
You know, I need a plan B and

1321
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,800
the plan B is gossip.

1322
00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:11,000
And so ERO gives you all the stuff

1323
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,040
that, that you need to do this the

1324
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:14,900
correct way.

1325
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:20,080
It gives you hole punching, NAT traversal, DHT

1326
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:20,820
bootstrapping.

1327
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:21,280
Yeah, yeah.

1328
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:22,700
A lot of benefits there.

1329
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:23,460
Yeah.

1330
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:24,840
There's a lot of stuff that goes into,

1331
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:26,740
I mean, this stuff that that's not easy

1332
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:27,640
stuff to do.

1333
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:33,100
So, um, the, this library kind of pulls

1334
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:37,380
it all into one package and it's been

1335
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:39,020
running for a few days now and I

1336
00:58:39,020 --> 00:58:40,900
have not seen a single hiccup.

1337
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:47,980
It's basically, it's multicasting to multiple nodes at

1338
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:48,580
one time.

1339
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,960
So as soon as the writer gossips that,

1340
00:58:51,980 --> 00:58:55,480
that, that new notification out, every node in

1341
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,720
the gossip channel sees it immediately.

1342
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,460
I mean, within a second, I'm watching, I'm

1343
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:03,740
watching three of them at the same time

1344
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:05,840
and it's just instantaneous.

1345
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:06,780
Boom, boom, boom.

1346
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,420
And the more nodes for bootstrapping purposes, the

1347
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:13,500
more nodes you get, you know, the better,

1348
00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:16,580
that's always the case with the DHT because

1349
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:18,500
then you're more resilient to that, you know,

1350
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:19,940
things going down and that kind of thing.

1351
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:21,700
And ultimately, so ultimately what I would like

1352
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:26,400
for this setup to look like once we

1353
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,640
get this finalized and get some, something that

1354
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,600
we're comfortable with, what I would like for

1355
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,000
this to look like is that the podping

1356
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:44,400
.cloud nodes will always, you know, will always

1357
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,880
be online on the DHT and so those

1358
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,280
will be your bootstrap nodes.

1359
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:52,660
And then everything else will just launch off

1360
00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:53,100
of that.

1361
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,780
So you'll connect, you'll connect to the DHT,

1362
00:59:55,980 --> 01:00:01,000
you'll always have those five nodes as fallback

1363
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:01,760
bootstrappers.

1364
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,700
But at any time, there's going to be

1365
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:07,140
a lot of other nodes on online listening.

1366
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,640
So bootstrapping should not be a problem.

1367
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:10,020
Okay.

1368
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:16,610
So how does this solve the big company

1369
01:00:16,610 --> 01:00:17,690
not invented here?

1370
01:00:17,790 --> 01:00:19,090
We don't trust that syndrome.

1371
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:20,090
Does it?

1372
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:22,170
Or do we make it, is it more

1373
01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:25,310
complicated or is this built, I mean, I

1374
01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:27,750
understand why you did it, but does it

1375
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:29,210
really solve that part of the puzzle?

1376
01:00:29,950 --> 01:00:33,390
I don't think that we have to solve

1377
01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:36,730
it in, I don't think we have to

1378
01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:38,530
solve that in that way.

1379
01:00:38,830 --> 01:00:44,030
And what I mean is, um, the thing

1380
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:48,910
about podping is that it already has all,

1381
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:52,730
a whole bunch of hosting companies tied in

1382
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:53,870
sending notifications.

1383
01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:57,710
So the, the, no change for them really,

1384
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:57,930
right.

1385
01:00:57,930 --> 01:00:58,610
There's no change.

1386
01:00:58,610 --> 01:00:59,970
They just keep doing what they do.

1387
01:01:01,010 --> 01:01:02,690
They, they, they see, they have to change

1388
01:01:02,690 --> 01:01:06,570
nothing and you could go build your own

1389
01:01:06,570 --> 01:01:08,950
system, but then you would have to convince

1390
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:11,050
all the hosting companies that are currently already

1391
01:01:11,050 --> 01:01:13,530
sending podping to now send to your new

1392
01:01:13,530 --> 01:01:13,790
thing.

1393
01:01:14,010 --> 01:01:14,150
Right.

1394
01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:15,690
And so that's what I mean.

1395
01:01:15,690 --> 01:01:17,590
Well, under NDA, I'm sure they'll all jump

1396
01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:18,790
the minute Apple asks them to.

1397
01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:23,050
Well, maybe, yeah, but I don't, what I

1398
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:27,230
would prefer is that the big platforms, um,

1399
01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:31,410
you know, Apple and Spotify, whoever that wants

1400
01:01:31,410 --> 01:01:34,090
to hook into podping, what I would prefer

1401
01:01:34,090 --> 01:01:37,530
is that they actually get on board and

1402
01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:42,270
help make the podping system better.

1403
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:42,750
Yeah.

1404
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:44,850
Is that they contribute some dev time to

1405
01:01:44,850 --> 01:01:47,370
it or whatever to make it more robust.

1406
01:01:48,190 --> 01:01:51,510
If they see a problem, ideally there wouldn't

1407
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:53,890
be a problem because it just works great.

1408
01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:54,670
Mm-hmm.

1409
01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:59,050
But if they see a problem and want

1410
01:01:59,050 --> 01:02:00,710
to contribute dev time to it, to fix

1411
01:02:00,710 --> 01:02:03,130
and help and help the calls, that'd be

1412
01:02:03,130 --> 01:02:03,530
great too.

1413
01:02:04,530 --> 01:02:09,030
So, uh, Eric, to answer Eric's question, he

1414
01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:10,890
says, Dave, does it allow multiple notes to

1415
01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:12,770
write or only the podcast index notes?

1416
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,930
So that is, that is why it's not

1417
01:02:15,930 --> 01:02:16,710
fully baked yet.

1418
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:19,070
So we're, that is the next step is

1419
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:24,730
to, um, take that authorization layer that's currently

1420
01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:28,390
on the podping.cloud side and the Hive

1421
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:34,630
side and extend that to the, um, to

1422
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:35,670
the gossip side of things.

1423
01:02:36,070 --> 01:02:39,230
So we, that, that's sort of step two

1424
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:40,850
of where we're headed with this thing.

1425
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:42,850
This is really just what, what this is,

1426
01:02:42,850 --> 01:02:45,370
is a proof of concept to get in

1427
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:49,690
everybody's head what the goals are, uh, for,

1428
01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:54,830
cause, you know, I think a year from

1429
01:02:54,830 --> 01:02:57,170
now, people who are still watching the Hive

1430
01:02:57,170 --> 01:02:59,650
blockchain and doing podping through that way, that

1431
01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:00,690
there's no difference.

1432
01:03:00,790 --> 01:03:02,590
They're just going to keep, things just keep

1433
01:03:02,590 --> 01:03:03,770
on tracking like they always did.

1434
01:03:04,210 --> 01:03:05,630
But then there's gonna be this other way

1435
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:06,550
that you can do it.

1436
01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:12,590
And then, um, other background writers can also

1437
01:03:12,590 --> 01:03:13,450
be developed.

1438
01:03:14,610 --> 01:03:17,330
Uh, John Spurlock is working on some stuff

1439
01:03:17,330 --> 01:03:22,570
around the AT, uh, Proto protocol, which would

1440
01:03:22,570 --> 01:03:24,330
provide some things like archiving.

1441
01:03:24,750 --> 01:03:27,390
And that again is distributed and personally owned.

1442
01:03:27,490 --> 01:03:28,510
So you can have a, you know, a

1443
01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:29,030
PDS.

1444
01:03:29,810 --> 01:03:31,830
I don't know a ton about AT Proto,

1445
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:34,610
but that's the protocol distributed protocol behind Blue

1446
01:03:34,610 --> 01:03:34,930
Sky.

1447
01:03:35,810 --> 01:03:41,810
But, um, it's an open protocol and that

1448
01:03:41,810 --> 01:03:44,750
can be, uh, you know, we could plug

1449
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:46,970
in a writer for that where you could

1450
01:03:46,970 --> 01:03:48,570
also have a diff, you know, it could

1451
01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:52,730
be archived out into a personal data store

1452
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:55,770
where you can have access like you do

1453
01:03:55,770 --> 01:03:56,230
a blockchain.

1454
01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:59,030
So I just, to me, I just like,

1455
01:03:59,230 --> 01:04:01,790
I like the idea of taking in these

1456
01:04:01,790 --> 01:04:05,230
notifications from the hosting companies and then just

1457
01:04:05,230 --> 01:04:08,830
spraying them back out through as many channels

1458
01:04:08,830 --> 01:04:09,730
as we can.

1459
01:04:10,550 --> 01:04:11,890
And then you just pick the channel that

1460
01:04:11,890 --> 01:04:12,770
works best for you.

1461
01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:15,870
And that'll be, that may be different.

1462
01:04:15,970 --> 01:04:17,350
That may be different for everybody.

1463
01:04:19,070 --> 01:04:22,110
Um, you know, there's, there's people that are

1464
01:04:22,110 --> 01:04:24,850
already fully integrated with the hive side of

1465
01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:25,110
things.

1466
01:04:25,110 --> 01:04:26,150
And then that works.

1467
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:28,110
They'll just keep on tracking with that.

1468
01:04:28,610 --> 01:04:30,710
There's other people that are coming up new

1469
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:35,670
and this DHT gossip topic way is, is

1470
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:37,030
easier for them to get started.

1471
01:04:37,610 --> 01:04:39,810
And then there may, you know, so I

1472
01:04:39,810 --> 01:04:42,070
think, I think the having a single front

1473
01:04:42,070 --> 01:04:44,430
end and then multiple outputs on the back

1474
01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:47,490
end, I think that is the right way

1475
01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:48,230
to do this.

1476
01:04:49,070 --> 01:04:50,990
So that's, so that's what this is.

1477
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:52,550
And I encourage everybody to go and build

1478
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:56,270
that, that gossip listener and just run it

1479
01:04:56,270 --> 01:05:00,250
and just, just see what that, think about

1480
01:05:00,250 --> 01:05:02,590
what just happened when you see these things

1481
01:05:02,590 --> 01:05:06,810
popping, suddenly scrolling across your screen.

1482
01:05:07,770 --> 01:05:09,430
All you did was launch it.

1483
01:05:09,630 --> 01:05:12,050
All you did was download something and run

1484
01:05:12,050 --> 01:05:12,270
it.

1485
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:18,310
And now you have every hosting company telling

1486
01:05:18,310 --> 01:05:22,430
you what's happening themselves when their own feeds

1487
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:23,310
are having events.

1488
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:26,210
It's a direct connection.

1489
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:31,290
And yes, that's, that's, that's always the way

1490
01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:32,590
Podping has worked.

1491
01:05:32,810 --> 01:05:36,030
But the difference here is that this is

1492
01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:44,350
not communicating with any, there's, there's decentralized and

1493
01:05:44,350 --> 01:05:47,550
then there's distributed space.

1494
01:05:47,550 --> 01:05:48,090
Space.

1495
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:57,590
So, you know, you can, you can distribute

1496
01:05:57,590 --> 01:06:00,530
something through just something as simple as load

1497
01:06:00,530 --> 01:06:07,850
balancing, but to be truly decentralized means not

1498
01:06:07,850 --> 01:06:12,690
having a sort of mothership or concentration of

1499
01:06:12,690 --> 01:06:16,890
mothership, some, you know, servers somewhere that are

1500
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:19,090
kind of in charge of everything.

1501
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:23,670
And that's the goal here, truly decentralized.

1502
01:06:24,570 --> 01:06:29,750
And to be truly decentralized is complicated.

1503
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,870
It is probably the most complicated thing to

1504
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:39,130
do in computer science and technology is to

1505
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:44,930
be truly, really genuinely decentralized because now you're

1506
01:06:44,930 --> 01:06:46,870
not talking about getting updates.

1507
01:06:47,010 --> 01:06:49,750
Now you're talking about sync, staying in sync,

1508
01:06:50,030 --> 01:06:50,690
right?

1509
01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:54,090
Multiple things, any kind of synchronization is always

1510
01:06:54,090 --> 01:06:54,550
tough.

1511
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:56,310
It's very difficult.

1512
01:06:56,590 --> 01:06:56,730
Yeah.

1513
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:57,390
Yeah.

1514
01:06:57,730 --> 01:07:00,250
But, but, but it's hard, it's hard, but

1515
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:02,130
that doesn't, but that doesn't mean we don't,

1516
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:03,710
we don't need to do it because we

1517
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:03,930
do.

1518
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:05,770
We do hard things.

1519
01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:07,470
We do hard things.

1520
01:07:07,630 --> 01:07:08,310
That's what we do.

1521
01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:08,950
What do we do?

1522
01:07:10,310 --> 01:07:11,250
Hard things.

1523
01:07:11,790 --> 01:07:12,210
Exactly.

1524
01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:14,330
We're going to do it.

1525
01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:15,710
So this is step one.

1526
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:22,010
The other thing, um, I'm toying around with

1527
01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:28,770
in response to David Marzal's, um, Yeoman's effort

1528
01:07:28,770 --> 01:07:30,110
to clean up.

1529
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:31,770
Yeah, I saw that.

1530
01:07:32,290 --> 01:07:34,550
The podcast index, GitHub repo.

1531
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:37,470
Now, what exactly did he do?

1532
01:07:38,570 --> 01:07:40,770
Uh, no, he's, he's going through and just

1533
01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:43,690
going through all the issues and discussions in

1534
01:07:43,690 --> 01:07:48,730
the podcast namespace, trying to get everything tagged

1535
01:07:48,730 --> 01:07:51,150
and labeled so that we can go through

1536
01:07:51,150 --> 01:07:53,150
and close old issues that are years old

1537
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:54,610
that haven't been messed with.

1538
01:07:55,450 --> 01:07:57,190
And just, he's just trying, he's doing general,

1539
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:59,790
uh, spring cleaning work on the namespace repo.

1540
01:08:01,110 --> 01:08:02,850
So I gave him, I gave him triage

1541
01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:04,570
permission on that re on that repo.

1542
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:07,090
And, uh, so he's been, he's been going

1543
01:08:07,090 --> 01:08:07,570
after it.

1544
01:08:07,570 --> 01:08:09,610
But when I, another thing I did was,

1545
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:16,410
um, created a, a GitHub to Mastodon bridge.

1546
01:08:17,649 --> 01:08:20,490
So that when somebody posts, uh, so when

1547
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:22,810
activity happens on one of the podcast index,

1548
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:27,010
GitHub repos, cross posts over to follow Mastodon.

1549
01:08:27,109 --> 01:08:27,689
Yes.

1550
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:28,229
Nice.

1551
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:31,470
So it's just, uh, at GitHub at podcast

1552
01:08:31,470 --> 01:08:32,410
index dot social.

1553
01:08:32,790 --> 01:08:33,010
Nice.

1554
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,569
So when there's, so it's really for all

1555
01:08:36,569 --> 01:08:39,470
of our sanity so that we can not

1556
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:41,850
have to have, I have six email addresses

1557
01:08:41,850 --> 01:08:44,850
that I have to keep up with already.

1558
01:08:45,689 --> 01:08:49,870
I just cannot handle more email and I

1559
01:08:49,870 --> 01:08:51,970
live in the podcast index dot social all

1560
01:08:51,970 --> 01:08:52,270
day.

1561
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:54,149
So I might as well just get.

1562
01:08:54,609 --> 01:08:54,790
Yeah.

1563
01:08:54,850 --> 01:08:56,149
Get your notifications there.

1564
01:08:56,170 --> 01:08:56,590
Of course.

1565
01:08:56,830 --> 01:08:57,010
Yeah.

1566
01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:57,390
Yeah.

1567
01:08:57,569 --> 01:08:58,710
That way I don't have to bounce from

1568
01:08:58,710 --> 01:08:59,229
different places.

1569
01:08:59,410 --> 01:09:00,609
Well, I'm excited about this.

1570
01:09:00,630 --> 01:09:01,170
This is fun.

1571
01:09:01,270 --> 01:09:02,330
I love hash space.

1572
01:09:03,010 --> 01:09:04,729
I've always been enthralled by it.

1573
01:09:05,069 --> 01:09:07,250
Torrents, IP, IPFS is different.

1574
01:09:07,390 --> 01:09:08,170
It's a different hash space.

1575
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:08,790
I looked it up.

1576
01:09:09,149 --> 01:09:09,770
Oh, is it?

1577
01:09:09,850 --> 01:09:10,050
Yeah.

1578
01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:12,370
But I just, I love the whole concept.

1579
01:09:12,529 --> 01:09:14,569
That to me has always been this magical

1580
01:09:14,569 --> 01:09:16,830
layer on the internet that just does things,

1581
01:09:16,990 --> 01:09:18,990
you know, Tor in general.

1582
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:21,649
It's just, you know, I mean, I've still

1583
01:09:21,649 --> 01:09:22,710
run my start nine.

1584
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:25,410
If I need something that I have a

1585
01:09:25,410 --> 01:09:29,090
couple of things running, like my, um, uh,

1586
01:09:29,229 --> 01:09:33,670
my, my vault warden server right over Tor,

1587
01:09:34,029 --> 01:09:37,149
you know, uh, I access helipad over Tor.

1588
01:09:37,270 --> 01:09:39,870
It's not, it's, it's actually quite fast.

1589
01:09:40,109 --> 01:09:41,850
It's, it's not as slow as it used

1590
01:09:41,850 --> 01:09:42,870
to be for some reason.

1591
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:45,689
Um, there's all kinds of issues with exit

1592
01:09:45,689 --> 01:09:48,450
nodes and blockage and stuff, but still it's,

1593
01:09:49,069 --> 01:09:51,290
it is a phenomenally interesting thing, you know,

1594
01:09:51,550 --> 01:09:54,350
forget about punching holes in your router, natting

1595
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:55,950
your firewall, like none of that.

1596
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:57,930
Just Tor it just works.

1597
01:09:58,650 --> 01:10:01,150
And I, and this is also the future.

1598
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:04,270
This, this will prove that the product, the

1599
01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:06,870
process of doing this to plot to pod

1600
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:10,850
ping will also prove out the next steps

1601
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:12,430
for decentralizing the index.

1602
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:15,510
You know, we, so if we get this

1603
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:18,930
working, that gives us a clear path towards

1604
01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:20,950
the next steps of getting the index itself

1605
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:23,670
to be decentralized because the steps will be

1606
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:29,430
very similar on that, on that too, because

1607
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:31,150
it, now you're talking about a different, you

1608
01:10:31,150 --> 01:10:34,050
know, a different gossip channel and now you're

1609
01:10:34,050 --> 01:10:35,630
distributing instead of pod pings.

1610
01:10:35,770 --> 01:10:37,070
Now you're distributing database updates.

1611
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:40,670
Same day, same scenario.

1612
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:46,390
I just wanted to, uh, talk about something,

1613
01:10:46,510 --> 01:10:48,210
uh, that I heard on this week in

1614
01:10:48,210 --> 01:10:53,450
Bitcoin, looking at you, Chris, chrislas.com.

1615
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:59,730
So he's been struggling like many with, um,

1616
01:10:59,790 --> 01:11:02,250
wallets and the shift from key send to

1617
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:03,190
LN URL.

1618
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:04,950
And I didn't clip it.

1619
01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:06,470
I should have, because I don't want to

1620
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:07,030
misquote them.

1621
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:08,490
But the way, what I heard him say

1622
01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:11,270
was, well, the pod found the pod Sage

1623
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:13,150
have decided it's just going to be centralized

1624
01:11:13,150 --> 01:11:14,130
on strike.

1625
01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:18,390
And I'm like, uh, no, no, that's not

1626
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:18,650
true.

1627
01:11:18,850 --> 01:11:20,190
It's not true at all.

1628
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:22,850
And I know he's real busy, you know,

1629
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:24,710
so maybe that's just how we heard it,

1630
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:28,190
but we have advocated for, I think probably

1631
01:11:28,190 --> 01:11:31,730
eight different ways of doing the metadata and

1632
01:11:31,730 --> 01:11:36,010
we've never advocated for anything building is the

1633
01:11:36,010 --> 01:11:38,370
only thing that matters, you know, Oscar has

1634
01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:40,830
built stuff and, you know, people have, or

1635
01:11:40,830 --> 01:11:42,070
have not picked up on it.

1636
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:46,690
I mean, um, James Cridlin jumped in on

1637
01:11:46,690 --> 01:11:50,470
creating runway for strike, but I just don't

1638
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:50,910
make it clear.

1639
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:52,970
We're not sitting here being the Kings of

1640
01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:54,690
all things and saying, well, this is what

1641
01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:55,390
it's going to be.

1642
01:11:56,350 --> 01:11:58,170
So just wanted to clear that up.

1643
01:11:58,230 --> 01:12:00,110
Uh, you know, and I love Chris.

1644
01:12:00,150 --> 01:12:00,870
I love his show.

1645
01:12:01,930 --> 01:12:04,890
Uh, I lost like 600,000 Bitcoin that

1646
01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:06,450
I sent to him through LN URL.

1647
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:09,050
And I guess it never, never got there.

1648
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:11,490
Oh no, that's not good.

1649
01:12:11,490 --> 01:12:12,810
No, there was a while back.

1650
01:12:12,910 --> 01:12:14,810
You know, I, I connected strike to my,

1651
01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:17,490
uh, uh, podcast guru wallet.

1652
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:19,330
And I guess he, uh, he, he couldn't

1653
01:12:19,330 --> 01:12:21,570
receive that, but that's neither here nor there,

1654
01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:24,390
I'm just saying that, you know, that's not

1655
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:25,170
how it works here.

1656
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:28,950
Uh, the way things, the way things work

1657
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:31,550
here is we, we are just shooting the

1658
01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:33,770
breeze and if someone builds something, we look

1659
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:35,170
at that and we see how it works

1660
01:12:35,170 --> 01:12:36,110
and we talk about it.

1661
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:39,270
And if people implement it, then groovy, but

1662
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:41,770
it's not like we're, we're trying to promote

1663
01:12:41,770 --> 01:12:44,110
one thing or the other, or now we're

1664
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:45,770
the centralization guys.

1665
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:47,710
It's like, no, that's, that's not fair.

1666
01:12:48,210 --> 01:12:48,830
It's not fair.

1667
01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:54,350
The, the podcasting 2.0, uh, group is

1668
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:56,310
just a collection of people who are doing

1669
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:57,710
things that interest them.

1670
01:12:58,630 --> 01:13:00,890
And that's really all it is is people

1671
01:13:00,890 --> 01:13:06,450
have a, people find interest in, I see

1672
01:13:06,450 --> 01:13:09,570
it a lot like the, the layout, the

1673
01:13:09,570 --> 01:13:13,250
corporate layout of a valve software, you know,

1674
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:17,170
think they just, whatever, whatever somebody's interested in,

1675
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:18,890
that's just what they do.

1676
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:22,650
And sometimes that means things unfortunately get dropped

1677
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:24,870
on the floor and they don't get a

1678
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:26,510
lot of progress made on them because people

1679
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:27,230
lose interest.

1680
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:29,950
But that's, that's just how this, it's just

1681
01:13:29,950 --> 01:13:30,810
how it has to work.

1682
01:13:30,850 --> 01:13:34,130
I mean, there's no, it's all volunteer and

1683
01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:36,790
you only, you can only expect volunteers to

1684
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:38,390
work on the things that they're passionate on,

1685
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:39,970
passionate about.

1686
01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:43,410
And I mean, I've largely stepped back from

1687
01:13:43,410 --> 01:13:50,030
the whole value tag, you know, Bitcoin thing,

1688
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:52,790
just because I don't know what the answers

1689
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:53,250
are.

1690
01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:55,770
And I would rather at this point in

1691
01:13:55,770 --> 01:13:58,310
the game, rather than having like arguments and

1692
01:13:58,310 --> 01:14:01,550
getting upset at people, I would rather just

1693
01:14:01,550 --> 01:14:03,390
watch people build things and just see what

1694
01:14:03,390 --> 01:14:03,730
happens.

1695
01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:03,990
Yeah.

1696
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:04,850
That's my point.

1697
01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:05,890
Whatever's going to happen, happens.

1698
01:14:05,950 --> 01:14:06,950
My point, exactly.

1699
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:10,150
Looking at the clock, my brother, let's thank

1700
01:14:10,150 --> 01:14:10,610
some people.

1701
01:14:10,770 --> 01:14:12,030
We've, we've covered a lot of ground here

1702
01:14:12,030 --> 01:14:12,370
today.

1703
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:13,410
Oh yeah.

1704
01:14:13,530 --> 01:14:13,730
Okay.

1705
01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:14,050
Okay.

1706
01:14:15,230 --> 01:14:17,630
Value for value is how the podcast index

1707
01:14:17,630 --> 01:14:19,930
runs, which means you who are listening to

1708
01:14:19,930 --> 01:14:21,810
this, who are participating in the board meeting,

1709
01:14:22,330 --> 01:14:24,770
you can help us continue to keep the

1710
01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:25,710
machines running.

1711
01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:27,990
Dave and Adam take none of this.

1712
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:29,850
We're doing this as a public service, but

1713
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:32,990
we have a responsibility to keep all the

1714
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:34,030
machines humming along.

1715
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:37,930
And somehow Dave has devoted a large portion

1716
01:14:37,930 --> 01:14:38,850
of his life to this.

1717
01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:41,070
I just fly in from time to time

1718
01:14:41,070 --> 01:14:44,610
and go, Hey, that's my job.

1719
01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:46,550
Somehow, somehow he's done that.

1720
01:14:46,930 --> 01:14:48,890
Uh, so this comes in the form of

1721
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:50,490
a fiat fund coupons.

1722
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:52,470
Uh, you, we do accept PayPal, which you

1723
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:53,930
can use with credit card and all kinds

1724
01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:56,650
of different methods, but going to podcastindex.org,

1725
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:57,930
you scroll down at the bottom, big red

1726
01:14:57,930 --> 01:14:58,570
donate button.

1727
01:14:58,590 --> 01:14:59,630
That'll take it to that page.

1728
01:14:59,630 --> 01:15:01,650
And of course we accept boosts of all

1729
01:15:01,650 --> 01:15:04,590
kinds, uh, LNURL preferred currently.

1730
01:15:04,890 --> 01:15:05,790
So here we go.

1731
01:15:07,420 --> 01:15:09,370
Oh, wait, actually, uh, I have some live

1732
01:15:09,370 --> 01:15:10,950
boosts that I'll mention here.

1733
01:15:11,190 --> 01:15:15,030
Do you, are you seeing the, the LNURL

1734
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:16,230
boosts?

1735
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:17,530
Probably not.

1736
01:15:18,230 --> 01:15:21,370
Uh, I'm using helipad, so that's probably only

1737
01:15:21,370 --> 01:15:22,210
keysend still.

1738
01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:23,590
Okay.

1739
01:15:23,650 --> 01:15:25,950
Are you're not running, you're not running runway

1740
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:26,310
then?

1741
01:15:27,010 --> 01:15:29,850
Um, I'm not running runway live during the

1742
01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:30,150
show.

1743
01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:33,630
No, I probably need to set that up

1744
01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:34,930
for next week.

1745
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:36,950
Yeah, I should probably do that as well.

1746
01:15:37,050 --> 01:15:37,290
Okay.

1747
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:37,990
Hey, there we go.

1748
01:15:38,030 --> 01:15:41,190
12,345 sats from Dreb Scott.

1749
01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:42,610
One, two, three, four, five.

1750
01:15:42,670 --> 01:15:43,390
We see what you did.

1751
01:15:44,170 --> 01:15:46,310
And, uh, he sits in there and he

1752
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:49,230
says, uh, go podcasting.

1753
01:15:50,130 --> 01:15:50,610
Beautiful.

1754
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:54,130
Uh, where's my go podcasting thing?

1755
01:15:54,130 --> 01:15:55,770
Don't have a go podcast.

1756
01:15:56,250 --> 01:15:57,150
Yeah, here it is.

1757
01:15:58,710 --> 01:15:59,490
Found it.

1758
01:16:00,750 --> 01:16:02,430
1701 from Martin Linda's code.

1759
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:04,430
Glyceum coming in from true fans.

1760
01:16:04,670 --> 01:16:07,090
Apple could then do, Oh, wait a minute.

1761
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:09,390
The, I did this twice for some reason.

1762
01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:11,610
Apple could do live radio shows with video

1763
01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:12,890
events, concerts, et cetera.

1764
01:16:12,990 --> 01:16:14,870
Apple podcaster app is not my go-to

1765
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:17,470
application for podcasts, but if Apple music could

1766
01:16:17,470 --> 01:16:20,070
be linked somehow with pod ping, it could

1767
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:21,810
be that I will spend more time on

1768
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:23,650
my iPhone lost in space or the wave

1769
01:16:23,650 --> 01:16:27,030
of the future starship boost with 1701 Satoshi's.

1770
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:28,650
Okay.

1771
01:16:29,470 --> 01:16:31,930
Salty crayon, a row of ducks, 22, 22.

1772
01:16:32,050 --> 01:16:33,610
He says, don't copy that floppy.

1773
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:38,330
And don't copy that flop.

1774
01:16:38,410 --> 01:16:39,210
That's a classic.

1775
01:16:39,370 --> 01:16:40,990
I got the row of ducks here.

1776
01:16:43,790 --> 01:16:45,970
Uh, 22, 22 from salty crayon.

1777
01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:47,010
Don't copy that floppy then.

1778
01:16:47,090 --> 01:16:47,570
Oh, I see.

1779
01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:49,270
I see what's happening now.

1780
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:49,750
I know.

1781
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:52,350
So we got 11, 11 from true fans,

1782
01:16:52,490 --> 01:16:53,270
from Martin Linda's Coke.

1783
01:16:53,330 --> 01:16:55,530
He says, I'm co-listening with Sam Sethi

1784
01:16:55,530 --> 01:16:56,350
on true fans.

1785
01:16:56,530 --> 01:16:59,370
This is how snuggly.

1786
01:16:59,550 --> 01:16:59,770
Yeah.

1787
01:16:59,890 --> 01:17:02,750
It's that's a true fans feature.

1788
01:17:02,810 --> 01:17:03,450
You can co-listen.

1789
01:17:03,610 --> 01:17:04,750
Nice to hear you guys.

1790
01:17:05,190 --> 01:17:06,750
James with disco music.

1791
01:17:06,970 --> 01:17:07,990
What is that?

1792
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:08,930
An AI mix.

1793
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:10,630
Yeah, definitely.

1794
01:17:10,770 --> 01:17:12,410
And then I hit the delimiter at least

1795
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:13,790
here and I'll actually see if I can

1796
01:17:13,790 --> 01:17:14,830
log into runway.

1797
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:18,510
That's a missed branding opportunity by Sam.

1798
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:20,450
He should just call it the true fan

1799
01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:23,730
snuggle where you're co-listening.

1800
01:17:23,950 --> 01:17:24,090
Yeah.

1801
01:17:24,170 --> 01:17:25,170
That's the way you do that.

1802
01:17:25,330 --> 01:17:25,650
Let me see.

1803
01:17:25,710 --> 01:17:26,730
I've got boosts here.

1804
01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:28,010
Let me just take a look.

1805
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:30,670
Uh, boosts with boosts only.

1806
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:33,010
And there's PP says he's going to be

1807
01:17:33,010 --> 01:17:36,210
supporting, uh, Ellen URL.

1808
01:17:37,170 --> 01:17:39,170
That spec in helipads.

1809
01:17:39,370 --> 01:17:42,650
So he said within the next week, probably.

1810
01:17:42,850 --> 01:17:43,470
Oh, good.

1811
01:17:43,530 --> 01:17:45,590
Cause I'm, I'm looking now and I don't

1812
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:47,030
see, um, I'm on runway.

1813
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:50,570
And I'm getting the most recent ones.

1814
01:17:51,530 --> 01:17:54,610
And I, I, February 13th is the last

1815
01:17:54,610 --> 01:17:56,350
payment I have.

1816
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:56,810
Let me see.

1817
01:17:57,530 --> 01:17:58,870
Boosts salty crayon.

1818
01:17:58,930 --> 01:17:59,070
Yeah.

1819
01:17:59,090 --> 01:18:01,130
That's, uh, that's from the last episode.

1820
01:18:01,130 --> 01:18:05,830
So it did come through pods, snuggle pods,

1821
01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:06,210
snuggle.

1822
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:08,410
I was looking for, there we go.

1823
01:18:11,670 --> 01:18:12,630
All right.

1824
01:18:12,670 --> 01:18:13,190
We got some pay.

1825
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:14,150
We got PayPal's though.

1826
01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:15,850
We got a J these are all mixed

1827
01:18:15,850 --> 01:18:15,950
up.

1828
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:17,970
We got Jeremy Gerds, $5.

1829
01:18:18,530 --> 01:18:19,270
Thank you, Jeremy.

1830
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:22,150
And we got Michael Hall, $5 and 50

1831
01:18:22,150 --> 01:18:22,630
cents.

1832
01:18:23,410 --> 01:18:24,470
Uh, new media.

1833
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:26,070
That's Todd and Rob.

1834
01:18:26,170 --> 01:18:27,630
I'm I'm forever going to say that.

1835
01:18:27,670 --> 01:18:28,810
You can't get away from it.

1836
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:30,410
It's always going to be Todd and Rob.

1837
01:18:30,510 --> 01:18:30,650
Yeah.

1838
01:18:30,910 --> 01:18:31,270
Forever.

1839
01:18:31,930 --> 01:18:32,730
Uh, $30.

1840
01:18:33,170 --> 01:18:33,410
Thank you.

1841
01:18:33,490 --> 01:18:33,770
Wow.

1842
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:34,330
Thank you.

1843
01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:35,250
Thank you very much.

1844
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:36,330
Thanks guys.

1845
01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:39,190
Uh, Gene Liverman, five bucks.

1846
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:39,970
Thank you, Gene.

1847
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:41,910
Uh, Timothy voice, $10.

1848
01:18:42,810 --> 01:18:43,970
Oh, look at there.

1849
01:18:44,150 --> 01:18:45,730
Look, look, you know what I just found?

1850
01:18:45,730 --> 01:18:47,910
I found bus sprout for a thousand dollars.

1851
01:18:53,170 --> 01:18:55,190
Keeping the index alive.

1852
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:56,710
I love you guys.

1853
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:58,710
I love all the hosting companies who support

1854
01:18:58,710 --> 01:18:59,210
us so much.

1855
01:18:59,310 --> 01:19:03,190
Every, every Satoshi, every dollar makes a difference,

1856
01:19:03,290 --> 01:19:06,250
but these guys definitely, uh, step in big

1857
01:19:06,250 --> 01:19:06,750
every time.

1858
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:07,520
We appreciate it.

1859
01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:08,390
Yeah.

1860
01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:12,910
Uh, Oysteen Barrow, who's coming up next, I

1861
01:19:12,910 --> 01:19:13,530
believe.

1862
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:14,530
Yeah.

1863
01:19:14,690 --> 01:19:15,030
Five bucks.

1864
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:16,370
Mutton Music and Mead.

1865
01:19:17,690 --> 01:19:20,410
Uh, Jorge Hernandez, $5.

1866
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:21,290
Thank you, Jorge.

1867
01:19:21,850 --> 01:19:23,090
Michael Goggin, $5.

1868
01:19:23,770 --> 01:19:26,170
James Sullivan, $10.

1869
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:29,490
Cohen Glotzbach, $5.

1870
01:19:30,190 --> 01:19:31,550
Uh, Christopher Reamer, $10.

1871
01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:36,130
John's Creek Studios, LLC, $5.

1872
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:41,930
Uh, Michael Kimmerer, $5.33. Chris Bernardik, $5.

1873
01:19:42,810 --> 01:19:44,530
Uh, Dreb Scott, $15.

1874
01:19:45,550 --> 01:19:46,210
Thank you, Dreb.

1875
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:46,770
Appreciate you.

1876
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:49,090
Uh, who is this?

1877
01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:50,030
Oh, this is a one-off.

1878
01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:51,890
Uh, my, uh, Michael.

1879
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:54,390
No note.

1880
01:19:54,610 --> 01:19:56,370
Oh, Michael Good, $25.

1881
01:19:56,770 --> 01:19:57,110
Thank you, Michael.

1882
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:57,510
Thank you, Michael.

1883
01:19:58,150 --> 01:19:58,630
Yeah.

1884
01:19:59,350 --> 01:20:02,790
Uh, no, no note from Michael and that's

1885
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:03,130
it on that.

1886
01:20:03,170 --> 01:20:05,850
We got some boosts on my side.

1887
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:09,710
We got, uh, oh, we got some test

1888
01:20:09,710 --> 01:20:10,630
boosts.

1889
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:14,450
Uh, who sent them, who sent the test

1890
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:14,890
boosts?

1891
01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:16,710
Dreb Scott sent 10,000 stats and he

1892
01:20:16,710 --> 01:20:18,270
says, boosty McTest boost.

1893
01:20:21,210 --> 01:20:23,690
We got, uh, that deserves one of these

1894
01:20:23,690 --> 01:20:24,090
testing.

1895
01:20:25,090 --> 01:20:25,570
Boost.

1896
01:20:25,970 --> 01:20:26,630
All right.

1897
01:20:26,830 --> 01:20:28,570
I got the ugly quacking, Doug.

1898
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:29,270
That's Bruce.

1899
01:20:30,990 --> 01:20:33,590
Uh, 2222 through podcast guru.

1900
01:20:33,650 --> 01:20:34,750
He says, enjoyed the episode.

1901
01:20:34,930 --> 01:20:36,790
Fun conversations on this episode.

1902
01:20:37,330 --> 01:20:37,810
73s.

1903
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:38,450
All right.

1904
01:20:38,570 --> 01:20:39,390
Thank you very much.

1905
01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:44,530
Uh, no, we got 3333 from a citizen

1906
01:20:44,530 --> 01:20:46,270
through Castamatic.

1907
01:20:46,530 --> 01:20:51,450
Where's my, he says, uh, just listening to

1908
01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:54,630
Adam praise Linux audio and tiling window managers

1909
01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:56,490
has filled me with hope and validation.

1910
01:20:58,430 --> 01:21:00,450
You guys don't know what it's like to

1911
01:21:00,450 --> 01:21:02,310
wake up from the recurring dream of showing

1912
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:04,210
off my arch Linux audio set up only

1913
01:21:04,210 --> 01:21:05,570
to realize it was all a dream.

1914
01:21:05,710 --> 01:21:06,030
All right.

1915
01:21:06,050 --> 01:21:07,350
Let me tell you, I've been, uh, I've

1916
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:09,870
been using it now for how many weeks?

1917
01:21:09,870 --> 01:21:12,110
I've done three, no, four, no agendas with

1918
01:21:12,110 --> 01:21:12,330
it.

1919
01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:16,150
The thing is it's, it is solid.

1920
01:21:16,490 --> 01:21:18,570
I mean, I am loving it.

1921
01:21:18,910 --> 01:21:21,330
You've done four, no agendas and three of

1922
01:21:21,330 --> 01:21:22,370
them got fully recorded.

1923
01:21:22,490 --> 01:21:24,310
So you're hitting 75, three and a half,

1924
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:25,290
three and a half.

1925
01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:27,010
Yeah.

1926
01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:30,030
It's, uh, but in general, I'm just, I've

1927
01:21:30,030 --> 01:21:31,670
never used workspaces.

1928
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:34,350
I use them all the time now.

1929
01:21:34,850 --> 01:21:36,890
And I don't know what the different, why,

1930
01:21:37,370 --> 01:21:40,210
uh, what it is about, Oh, Marchy and

1931
01:21:40,210 --> 01:21:42,450
the, you know, the hyperland tiling manager.

1932
01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:44,090
I'm not sure what it is, but it's

1933
01:21:44,090 --> 01:21:46,670
so easy to just, you know, I've got

1934
01:21:46,670 --> 01:21:50,630
one workspace with, you know, like signal and

1935
01:21:50,630 --> 01:21:54,230
my messages, I've got one workspace, which is

1936
01:21:54,230 --> 01:21:56,690
just email and a browser.

1937
01:21:57,330 --> 01:22:00,250
I've got the podcast workspace, which is, you

1938
01:22:00,250 --> 01:22:01,370
know, all the stuff I have for the

1939
01:22:01,370 --> 01:22:01,890
podcast.

1940
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:03,110
I'm like, Oh, I sit down.

1941
01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:04,530
What are you laughing about?

1942
01:22:06,990 --> 01:22:09,990
Hey, citizen in the boardroom said, I'd just

1943
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:11,410
like to interject for a moment.

1944
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:12,910
Uh, what you're referring to as Linux is

1945
01:22:12,910 --> 01:22:14,290
actually GNU Linux.

1946
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:19,690
GNU Linux, GNU Linux, there's always one of

1947
01:22:19,690 --> 01:22:20,270
those guys.

1948
01:22:20,510 --> 01:22:22,170
No, there's more than one of those guys.

1949
01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:22,510
Yes.

1950
01:22:22,710 --> 01:22:24,030
It's GNU Linux.

1951
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:26,410
It's GNU Arch Linux.

1952
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:29,190
Gal, GNU Arch Linux.

1953
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:30,310
Yes.

1954
01:22:30,590 --> 01:22:32,870
Um, there's something about it.

1955
01:22:32,910 --> 01:22:34,510
The workflow is really enjoyable.

1956
01:22:34,510 --> 01:22:37,030
And there is not as not a single

1957
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:38,690
thing I haven't been able to do that

1958
01:22:38,690 --> 01:22:41,330
I could do on windows, including zoom.

1959
01:22:42,010 --> 01:22:43,970
You know, the zoom client is fine.

1960
01:22:44,030 --> 01:22:44,830
It works perfect.

1961
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:46,670
It's never, in fact, I've had more problems

1962
01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:49,330
with my windows zoom client than, than I've

1963
01:22:49,330 --> 01:22:53,330
had zero with, uh, with the GNU Linux.

1964
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:57,850
Um, and, uh, uh, you know, it's like,

1965
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:59,450
Oh, I got to do something new project,

1966
01:22:59,510 --> 01:23:02,030
just pop open a new workspace and do

1967
01:23:02,030 --> 01:23:03,190
it there and go back.

1968
01:23:03,190 --> 01:23:05,150
I mean, it's, it's changed the way I

1969
01:23:05,150 --> 01:23:05,970
think about it.

1970
01:23:06,090 --> 01:23:09,130
And dare I say, I find working on

1971
01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:11,410
my GNU Linux rather exciting.

1972
01:23:13,330 --> 01:23:16,750
Uh, you're getting, you're getting a, you're, um,

1973
01:23:17,170 --> 01:23:20,810
you're getting fulfillment from your computing experience in

1974
01:23:20,810 --> 01:23:21,790
a long time.

1975
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:22,130
Yes.

1976
01:23:22,210 --> 01:23:24,630
It's kind of back to the Sinclair ZX

1977
01:23:24,630 --> 01:23:25,410
80 days.

1978
01:23:25,490 --> 01:23:26,530
Yeah, I'm fulfilled.

1979
01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:27,810
It's like, Oh, this is exciting.

1980
01:23:27,870 --> 01:23:28,770
Look at how this works.

1981
01:23:28,770 --> 01:23:32,810
You know, you need something and, uh, you

1982
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:35,850
don't have to go to the windows store

1983
01:23:35,850 --> 01:23:38,630
to get free trials and subscribe.

1984
01:23:38,830 --> 01:23:39,910
Everything has a subscription.

1985
01:23:40,030 --> 01:23:43,510
No, there's just some dude or dudette was

1986
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:46,070
built something like, Oh, this is great.

1987
01:23:46,170 --> 01:23:47,330
You know, I'm a tipper.

1988
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:48,250
Yeah.

1989
01:23:48,250 --> 01:23:49,870
I'm a value for value guy.

1990
01:23:49,870 --> 01:23:51,770
I'm like, you give me some software that

1991
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:52,150
I use.

1992
01:23:52,190 --> 01:23:53,670
I am going to send you money.

1993
01:23:54,370 --> 01:23:56,830
It's like, it's like pounding out some peaks

1994
01:23:56,830 --> 01:23:58,510
and pokes on your Commodore 64.

1995
01:23:58,510 --> 01:24:00,370
That was so beautiful.

1996
01:24:00,710 --> 01:24:02,610
You could, you could peak and you could

1997
01:24:02,610 --> 01:24:05,150
suck down an entire cartridge with that system.

1998
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:06,150
Oh yeah.

1999
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:07,230
You get, yeah.

2000
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:08,310
Peak, peak and poke.

2001
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:11,210
You're just like directly, directly right into the

2002
01:24:11,210 --> 01:24:11,810
processor.

2003
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:13,730
Yeah.

2004
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:16,290
Put it, put a pixel right here.

2005
01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:19,470
Peak, poke, flat, flat memory model for the

2006
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:19,690
win.

2007
01:24:19,810 --> 01:24:21,510
Beautiful, beautiful stuff.

2008
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:24,450
Uh, Hey citizens, he finished up.

2009
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:26,370
He said, Linux audio people check out race

2010
01:24:26,370 --> 01:24:26,830
session.

2011
01:24:26,830 --> 01:24:27,970
I'm excited.

2012
01:24:28,230 --> 01:24:28,650
Excuse me.

2013
01:24:29,010 --> 01:24:31,590
You mean GNU Linux audio people?

2014
01:24:35,170 --> 01:24:38,510
Check out session out race, race session.

2015
01:24:38,590 --> 01:24:40,850
R a Y session S E S S

2016
01:24:40,850 --> 01:24:41,370
I O N.

2017
01:24:41,650 --> 01:24:43,990
It lets you manage and save entire audio

2018
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:45,170
workflows and routing.

2019
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:46,610
Oh, okay.

2020
01:24:47,230 --> 01:24:47,710
There you go.

2021
01:24:47,770 --> 01:24:50,190
There's more to play with session manager for

2022
01:24:50,190 --> 01:24:52,830
GNU Linux musical programs.

2023
01:24:52,930 --> 01:24:53,330
Okay.

2024
01:24:54,010 --> 01:24:54,450
Nice.

2025
01:24:55,150 --> 01:24:55,570
All right.

2026
01:24:55,570 --> 01:24:58,690
And who is, Oh, Oh, Commissioner bloggers.

2027
01:24:58,770 --> 01:25:00,530
There's a limit of 23,000 sats.

2028
01:25:00,730 --> 01:25:01,050
There we go.

2029
01:25:01,790 --> 01:25:02,550
Uh, through fountain.

2030
01:25:02,690 --> 01:25:04,530
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

2031
01:25:05,130 --> 01:25:05,730
Yes.

2032
01:25:06,430 --> 01:25:10,970
AI causes mass layoffs, increase in electricity prices,

2033
01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:14,790
economic inequality, and circle jerk finance bubble.

2034
01:25:15,130 --> 01:25:16,890
But that's all politics.

2035
01:25:16,890 --> 01:25:19,190
That's covered on no agenda podcast by Adam

2036
01:25:19,190 --> 01:25:21,750
Curry and his half Polak, half Czech, full

2037
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:23,170
Slavic co-host Dvorak.

2038
01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:27,050
But to learn how to wield AI tools

2039
01:25:27,050 --> 01:25:31,670
better, no politics, search AI arch wizard on

2040
01:25:31,670 --> 01:25:32,890
YouTube and subscribe.

2041
01:25:33,090 --> 01:25:34,570
Yo CSB.

2042
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:34,970
Yeah.

2043
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:37,050
He's invited me to come on and show

2044
01:25:37,050 --> 01:25:38,070
him my vibe coding.

2045
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:39,430
You're doing it, right?

2046
01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:40,070
Of course.

2047
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:44,770
Of course, of course, it'll be super fun.

2048
01:25:44,890 --> 01:25:47,190
I mean, people will go, what is he

2049
01:25:47,190 --> 01:25:47,590
doing?

2050
01:25:48,150 --> 01:25:49,250
How is it?

2051
01:25:49,370 --> 01:25:49,670
What?

2052
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:54,470
Please tell me that commissioner bloggers and have

2053
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:55,510
the voice changer on there.

2054
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:57,750
So now he's going to have the voice

2055
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:58,810
changer on this.

2056
01:25:59,150 --> 01:26:00,970
That's I mean, I've met him.

2057
01:26:01,070 --> 01:26:02,290
He doesn't sound like, as long as he

2058
01:26:02,290 --> 01:26:03,990
doesn't sound like the chick from the.

2059
01:26:04,610 --> 01:26:05,050
Power.

2060
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:07,810
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

2061
01:26:07,810 --> 01:26:10,030
I mean, I don't know why he's, he

2062
01:26:10,030 --> 01:26:10,770
does that.

2063
01:26:10,890 --> 01:26:13,050
I mean, he has a very distinctive voice.

2064
01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:14,870
You recognize it out of thousands.

2065
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:17,090
So maybe that's why I love CSB.

2066
01:26:17,250 --> 01:26:18,070
Me too.

2067
01:26:18,270 --> 01:26:19,650
I think he has a great voice.

2068
01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:21,690
I don't understand why he wants to change

2069
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:22,050
that.

2070
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:25,230
He's got, he's got the, if I imagine

2071
01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:27,290
listening to radio in Poland and it would

2072
01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:28,910
be, it would be CSB.

2073
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:31,310
Hey, it is GNU Linux here.

2074
01:26:31,670 --> 01:26:33,150
Welcome to radio Poland.

2075
01:26:35,530 --> 01:26:36,530
Radio Poland.

2076
01:26:37,070 --> 01:26:38,010
All right, brother.

2077
01:26:38,530 --> 01:26:39,990
Great catching up with you.

2078
01:26:40,270 --> 01:26:41,630
It's all, it's always a pleasure.

2079
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:43,490
Thank you very much boardroom for being here

2080
01:26:43,490 --> 01:26:43,910
with us.

2081
01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:46,550
We will be back next Friday and we

2082
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:49,030
look forward to doing another round of the

2083
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:50,750
podcast and 2.0 board meeting.

2084
01:26:51,190 --> 01:26:51,970
Have a great weekend.

2085
01:27:07,170 --> 01:27:09,410
You, you, you hope you have been listening

2086
01:27:09,410 --> 01:27:14,110
to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast index.org

2087
01:27:14,110 --> 01:27:15,590
for more information.

2088
01:27:16,750 --> 01:27:17,470
Go podcasting.

2089
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:20,630
The weed is a, is just a plant

2090
01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:21,670
in a, that's in a place.

2091
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:22,350
You don't want it.