Episode 243: Nuts & Logs

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Podcasting 2.0 for December 5th, 2025, episode

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243, Nuts and Logs.

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Well, ho, ho, ho, in advance.

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Hello, everybody.

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Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. This is the

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We are the only boardroom that does not

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award Christmas bonuses.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama.

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The man who isn't Alt-Left or Alt

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-Right, he's Alt-Enclosure.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, the pod stage,

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Mr. Dave Jones.

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I like it.

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Alt-Enclosure.

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Clever.

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Hey, man, I put production into this show.

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I think about things.

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I think about things, man.

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I think about, like, what am I going

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to say?

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What am I going to do?

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Well, you're thinking about all the things you're

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going to say and do.

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Yes.

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I'm lining up pieces of chocolate next to

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my mouse for a strategic time.

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I always have four pieces of chocolate for

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the show.

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Oh, one for every 15 minutes or every

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20 minutes?

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One for each segment of the show.

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Oh, so have you had your A-block

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chocolate yet?

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No, not yet.

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It's ready.

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I'm about to let her rip in a

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minute.

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But hey, you know what's good though?

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I just, I barely made it home in

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time for the show.

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So I've, my lunch consisted of, well, it's,

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of course it's the beef milkshake, but the

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the solid material for lunch was a cup

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of Chex Mix.

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You know, it's that time of year.

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Oh wait, Chex Mix with chocolate?

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Is that what you're going to tell me?

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No, no, no, no.

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This is like, everybody has their own permutation

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of Chex Mix.

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Yes.

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And ours is objectively the best.

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But the one thing that I'm not used

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to in Chex Mix, but we have interloper

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Chex Mix.

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So we have our own Chex Mix that

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we made and then somebody else brought some

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Chex Mix and we had a little bit

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of that.

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So we dumped it in with our Chex

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Mix.

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Ooh, combo mix.

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Yes.

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It's like, and there's like a, there's like

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a sutterfuge of Chex Mix mixed in where

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you, sometimes you'll get foreign Chex Mix.

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And, and it's actually, and so sometimes I

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don't like, but the one thing that I've

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decided that I do like is, um, roasted

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pecans.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, you're talking to someone who lives in

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pecan country, so they are very good.

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When you roast them, they give you a,

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they, they, they like change their molecular structure

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or something.

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It's they, they're, they're like soft, but they

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have a slight crunch to them.

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And like, look, I mean, I, I'm a

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huge fan of nuts.

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He loves his nuts.

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I love my nuts and what like all,

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all different kinds of nuts, big ones, little

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ones, lumpy ones, uh, with flavoring on them.

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Like I, I have, I, it's one of

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the staples of my diet.

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And, um, but I've always like pecans and

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walnuts.

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This just one classification of nuts that I've

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stayed away from because they, they're always kind

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of like chewy.

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Do you know what I'm talking about?

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Like rubbery.

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Yeah, I know.

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Exactly.

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I think maybe we should just stop for

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a second.

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Okay.

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Because I am confident there are foreigners listening

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to this podcast, checking into the boardroom, thinking

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Chex Mix.

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What is Chex Mix?

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Furners?

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Chex Mix is basically roasted salted Chex cereal.

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Now, before you continue, my family tradition is

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called nuts and bolts.

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Oh, I don't know this one.

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And so that's Chex Mix added in pretzel

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sticks and Cheerios.

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Oh, oh, oh yes.

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Okay.

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I've, I've seen this as a, it's sort

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of like the, the twig and berries of

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Chex Mix.

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Yes.

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But we call them nuts and bolts.

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Yeah.

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Twig and berries.

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Nuts and bolts probably a more family friendly.

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Just a little bit.

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Just a little bit.

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Yes.

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And for some reason it's a Christmas thing,

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isn't it?

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Always.

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It's always like we, you're not allowed to

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make Chex Mix or nuts and bolts or

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whatever permutation you have.

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You're not allowed to make it before Thanksgiving.

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It is a post Thanksgiving only snack.

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Yes.

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You're excuse me.

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I've had requests from the boardroom.

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I need to play it.

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I just go for it.

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John, tell us your, um, peeve about the

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fisting method of eating snacks on an airplane.

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I see this on the airplane and it's

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very annoying and I think it will result

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in, in fights breaking out.

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Cause it's just so annoying to watch.

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Guy takes his bag of peanuts and throws

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a pile of them into his palm of

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his hand.

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And then he makes a fist around the

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nuts.

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And then he shakes his fist to try

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to bring a nut to the little hole.

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And then he throws a nut in his

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mouth from his fist.

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Then he does it again.

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He shakes and throws and shakes and throws.

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It is annoying as hell to watch.

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There you go.

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JCD in rare form.

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He actually does not like that a little

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bit there.

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Now I can imagine that he wouldn't, he

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would find it annoying.

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Oh please.

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That's just whatever side of the bed he

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got up on.

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It has nothing to do with it.

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It's not consistent at all.

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Hey, how was New York city for Thanksgiving?

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Uh, New York was great.

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Uh, it was, uh, Times Square was nuts.

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Thanksgiving.

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Uh, it was just walled.

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And did it smell of weed everywhere?

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Oh God.

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I mean, it, I think I texted you.

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It literally smelled like weed exiting the plane.

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LaGuardia or JFK?

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LaGuardia.

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LaGuardia.

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I mean, we, we got off the, the,

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the ramp coming out of the plane and

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immediately in the airport was weed.

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But I will say that flying on Thanksgiving

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day.

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Oh, is the way to go.

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That's pretty good.

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That's the way to go.

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Cause no one flies on Thanksgiving day.

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And why did you go to New York

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for Thanksgiving and then fly home on Thanksgiving

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day?

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Because it was, uh, cause I, if I

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waited the day after it would be horrible.

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Right.

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So we've, did you celebrate Thanksgiving early?

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Uh, no, we just, we celebrated, uh, with

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family after like the, the, the next weekend,

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like this past weekend.

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So like on this, on the Sunday after.

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Oh, okay.

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You were just in New York for a

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trip.

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Yeah.

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We, it was just me and Melissa and

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Marigold went up there for, uh, uh, we

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were there for like three and a half

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days.

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Did you go to Broadway?

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Did you catch a show at Broadway?

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We saw a great show.

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We saw, so we went and I think

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it was Wednesday.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was Wednesday.

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So Wednesday we went to, uh, the, to

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MoMA, the museum of modern art, which is

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a fantastic.

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It is.

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And, um, so we spent most of the

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day at MoMA and then that night we

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saw a Broadway show, a Broadway show called

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art.

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Oh, with Neil Patrick Harris.

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Oh, he's good.

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He's good.

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James Corden was in that too.

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James Corden.

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Interesting.

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James Corden stole the show.

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That guy is a fantastic stage actor.

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Oh wow.

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I didn't know that about him.

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That's cool.

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Oh, he's top notch.

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He was, he was by far the best

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actor on the stage.

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And, um, Bobby Caravagli.

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I don't know who that is.

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Caravagli.

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He's one of those guys that's been in

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like tons of stuff and you know his

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face.

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Probably in all the Christmas movies we're watching.

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Yeah.

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And like, uh, uh, NCIS and CSI, he's

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like, he's in all these things, but you

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just never know his name.

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Um, Caravagli.

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Caravagli.

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Caravagli.

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Bobby Caravagli.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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I recognize him.

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Sure.

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Of course.

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He is in all the Christmas movies.

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He's a mall cop.

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Mall cop.

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Yeah, he's a mall cop.

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I recognize him right away as a mall

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cop guy.

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Running around on the Segway.

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Um, but it was great because you spend

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all the day at the Museum of Modern

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Art and then you go see the show

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and the premise of the show is, uh,

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uh, Neil Patrick Harris's character buys a piece

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of modern art.

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It's this giant canvas that's just white.

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There's nothing.

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It's my favorite.

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$300,000.

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That's great.

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And so then, yeah, the whole rest of

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the show is the, is like his, his

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friends trying to make sense out of, out

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of this idiotic purchase that he made.

294
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Yeah.

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It's good.

296
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Oh, that's funny.

297
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Oh, I didn't, I didn't toot or tweet.

298
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That's right.

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I told you you would forget.

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I did.

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Cause I was too busy with my chocolate.

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Oh, he played Joe DiMaggio.

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That's right.

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In what?

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In Blonde.

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Blonde.

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Yeah.

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Blonde.

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Blonde, uh, was the biopic, uh, of, uh,

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Marilyn Monroe, but he's been in gangster movies.

311
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He's been on this guy.

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This is what you'd call a working actor,

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man.

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Holy crap.

315
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He's been in a million things.

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Yeah.

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Every year he's got at least, at least

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three projects going, man.

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That's fantastic.

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God bless him.

321
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Yeah.

322
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It was, uh, it was a great trip.

323
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Yeah.

324
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It was really fun.

325
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Good.

326
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I'm happy for you.

327
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And we stayed, uh, we stayed real close

328
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to central park, but the hotel wasn't super

329
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expensive.

330
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It was, it was nice.

331
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Yeah.

332
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What hotel was that?

333
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The park central hotel.

334
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Oh, that's a nice hotel.

335
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Have you stayed there before?

336
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Uh, I know all the hotels in New

337
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York.

338
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Yeah.

339
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It was like, uh, affordable.

340
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Me, me and the president Trump, we know

341
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everything about real estate in New York.

342
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Oh, that's right.

343
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Yeah.

344
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Bros.

345
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Yeah.

346
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Yeah.

347
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The central park west, I guess.

348
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Right.

349
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That was, well, I think it was south

350
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of central park.

351
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Then it's central park south.

352
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Okay.

353
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As we, I don't know the layout very

354
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well.

355
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I mean, all I know is like we're

356
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right below, what's the little circle that's on

357
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the Columbus circle, Columbus circle.

358
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It was like three blocks south of Columbus.

359
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Okay.

360
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Yeah.

361
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You're, you're central park west then.

362
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Yeah.

363
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I used to live right in that very

364
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area, also known as hell's kitchen.

365
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Oh yeah.

366
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So we were, I think hell's kitchen is

367
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a little bit to the west of that.

368
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Is that right?

369
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Yep.

370
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Over there where Chelsea market and all that

371
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stuff is.

372
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It's a little bit further, but yeah, the

373
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general area.

374
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Okay.

375
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Yeah.

376
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I don't know the regions there.

377
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They say they all kind of blend together.

378
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And did you listen, did you listen to

379
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any podcasts while you were on your trip

380
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or you just completely shunned the entire industry?

381
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I don't think I did listen to any

382
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podcasts.

383
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Busted.

384
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Busted, man.

385
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Busted.

386
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No, I don't think I listened to anything.

387
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No, I did listen to, I listened to

388
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audio book, but I did not listen to

389
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any podcasts.

390
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I was, I was decompressing.

391
00:12:00,670 --> 00:12:01,070
Yeah.

392
00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:01,610
That's good.

393
00:12:01,690 --> 00:12:02,830
You, you deserved it.

394
00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:03,830
Thanks.

395
00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:05,690
Welcome back.

396
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Welcome back.

397
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The API is crashing.

398
00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:10,510
What's going on?

399
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Fixed stuff.

400
00:12:11,730 --> 00:12:12,730
500 errors.

401
00:12:13,070 --> 00:12:13,330
Yes.

402
00:12:13,510 --> 00:12:14,030
That's great.

403
00:12:14,350 --> 00:12:17,430
We'll have that fixed as quickly as possible.

404
00:12:17,850 --> 00:12:19,290
So I don't know if that's it, but

405
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so a lot of a couple of things

406
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that are just really notable that's happening right

407
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now.

408
00:12:24,830 --> 00:12:28,270
We'll talk about alt, alt enclosures and video.

409
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Cause that was pretty hot, pretty hot on

410
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the, on the master.

411
00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:38,050
But also what was I going to say?

412
00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:39,490
Oh yeah.

413
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Everybody, I think this is a good thing.

414
00:12:42,730 --> 00:12:44,950
I'm not quite sure yet, but everybody seems

415
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to be coming a hosting company these days.

416
00:12:49,050 --> 00:12:49,810
Oh, it's rampant.

417
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Yeah.

418
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And, and I think in general, I think

419
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that's a really good thing because it, it,

420
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it kind of solidifies the importance of RSS.

421
00:13:03,510 --> 00:13:06,330
I know some are, you know, uploading to

422
00:13:06,330 --> 00:13:08,710
YouTube with an API or whatever, but, but

423
00:13:08,710 --> 00:13:10,970
pretty much everybody is giving you an RSS

424
00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:13,810
feed, whether they're good or not.

425
00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:15,150
I mean, well, I mean, if it, if

426
00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:18,410
it, if it passes validation, it's technically good,

427
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but you know, I think everyone is declaring

428
00:13:20,330 --> 00:13:23,730
the namespace technically fantastic, not putting in, not

429
00:13:23,730 --> 00:13:26,650
putting in the features yet, but the, just

430
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the whole general idea that you start hosting

431
00:13:29,450 --> 00:13:32,410
and you have to have an RSS feed

432
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that kind of solidifies the whole concept as

433
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you know, a decentralized media network.

434
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:41,290
Yeah.

435
00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:43,710
It kind of, yeah, it kind of sets

436
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it in stone or whatever, like entrenches it

437
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a little bit.

438
00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:46,510
Yeah.

439
00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:48,590
No, I agree.

440
00:13:48,850 --> 00:13:49,490
I agree.

441
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And it also, it also gives the opportunity

442
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for hosting companies to show, you know, competition

443
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like, Hey, we, we got this.

444
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And the big thing we all know is

445
00:14:00,870 --> 00:14:01,230
stats.

446
00:14:01,290 --> 00:14:02,290
You got to have the right stats.

447
00:14:02,370 --> 00:14:03,510
If you don't have stats, there's no good

448
00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:06,110
stats, but just on that for a second

449
00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:10,230
for you, for the hosting guys, man.

450
00:14:10,490 --> 00:14:13,210
So we have stats with Godcaster and I

451
00:14:13,210 --> 00:14:17,430
did our first Godcaster you for a way.

452
00:14:17,510 --> 00:14:17,670
Great.

453
00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:19,230
By the way, thank you for some of

454
00:14:19,230 --> 00:14:19,950
our clients.

455
00:14:20,750 --> 00:14:23,910
And so what we, what we give them

456
00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:27,450
is a full download of, of the current

457
00:14:27,450 --> 00:14:30,350
and the past month of all of the

458
00:14:30,350 --> 00:14:33,150
data that we've collected, the entire log for

459
00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:36,210
their particular stuff.

460
00:14:37,630 --> 00:14:42,860
And you know, I've been involved.

461
00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:45,080
I mean, I have met back in the,

462
00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,980
even back in the on-ramp slash think

463
00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:50,240
new ideas days, we would charge for our

464
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,780
statistics to our customers who are like Reebok

465
00:14:52,780 --> 00:14:58,280
and Continental airlines and Anheuser-Busch, but we

466
00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,540
wouldn't just give them some charts, you know,

467
00:15:00,580 --> 00:15:03,560
pie charts and bar charts and, Ooh, look,

468
00:15:03,620 --> 00:15:04,180
number go up.

469
00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,200
We didn't give them that.

470
00:15:05,540 --> 00:15:07,980
Yes, we gave them that, but we sold

471
00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:11,460
it as an service, which he called ASAP,

472
00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,380
which is an acronym for advanced statistical analysis

473
00:15:16,380 --> 00:15:17,060
program.

474
00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:19,040
Oh, I love it.

475
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,240
That's like a, what's the thing from war

476
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:22,980
games Whopper.

477
00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,640
Well, yes.

478
00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:26,960
So if you can, if you can name

479
00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:27,860
it, you can sell it.

480
00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,040
And, and so what we do is we

481
00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,420
get on the phone or in certain cases

482
00:15:32,420 --> 00:15:33,940
we fly to the client cause we didn't

483
00:15:33,940 --> 00:15:36,240
have zoom back in the day and we'd

484
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,520
sit down and we'd say, well, here's what,

485
00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,400
here's what we're seeing.

486
00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:39,340
Here's the analysis.

487
00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,700
Here's what we believe is going on.

488
00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,800
And so kind of following on that idea,

489
00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,580
because we, you know, people look at, we

490
00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:50,000
have a stats page and it's, it's actually

491
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quite comprehensive because we have plays, we have

492
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shares, we have engagement, we have a funding

493
00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:58,640
link stats.

494
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You know, when someone hit the funding link,

495
00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,580
all these wonderful things, but it's basically a

496
00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:04,220
one page and I know exactly how people

497
00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:04,680
use it.

498
00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:05,720
Oh, number go up.

499
00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,240
So what I, what I did is that

500
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,040
for this, for this university thing, for this,

501
00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:14,540
you know, kind of educational moment, I said,

502
00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,300
watch this.

503
00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,460
And I dragged the, yeah, I dragged the

504
00:16:19,460 --> 00:16:22,180
CSV file into a chat.

505
00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:23,880
GPT is what I used in this case.

506
00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:27,360
And I just started asking it questions, stuff

507
00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,740
like, well, where was it played most?

508
00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,300
Oh, it was played on the mobile app.

509
00:16:32,380 --> 00:16:32,620
Okay.

510
00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:36,260
How many times did someone listen to the

511
00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:36,960
live stream?

512
00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:39,000
Because we have a little lit tag in

513
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,320
all of our stuff and then switch over

514
00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,060
to something on demand to listen to a

515
00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:43,360
podcast.

516
00:16:43,580 --> 00:16:46,040
And it gave statistics on that and which

517
00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,220
shows were switched to the most.

518
00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,320
And then it's, I said, give me an

519
00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,260
executive analysis.

520
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,620
And it interestingly said, Hey, you know, it

521
00:16:56,620 --> 00:16:59,140
looks like this, these shows were switched to

522
00:16:59,140 --> 00:17:01,500
the most, these get the most engagement.

523
00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:04,220
So you probably want to highlight this category

524
00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:08,220
of programming, which was Bible teaching and something

525
00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:08,640
else.

526
00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,220
That's something that I think hosting companies should

527
00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:15,339
explore, whether you're using your own model or,

528
00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:17,400
you know, you, you tie in with an

529
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:17,880
API.

530
00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,480
When you, when you give your, you know,

531
00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:23,300
the whole start podcasting, keep podcasting.

532
00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,480
When you, when you give someone kind of

533
00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,140
free reign to ask questions.

534
00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:30,180
And we, we sent all of my prompts

535
00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:31,500
off to everybody so they can try it

536
00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:32,020
for themselves.

537
00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,500
It's a whole new way of looking at

538
00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:41,640
your statistics, something to think about because it

539
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,640
really opened people's eyes.

540
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:44,640
They're like, wow.

541
00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:45,140
Okay.

542
00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:47,140
I can get now, of course they think

543
00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:48,880
that, you know, the way I position it

544
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,620
is, yeah, we, our data set is so

545
00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:53,480
rich and we're so fine tuned for the

546
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,280
LLM and knows exactly what to do with

547
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:55,480
it.

548
00:17:58,820 --> 00:18:02,280
Well, I mean, it's, that's kind of that,

549
00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:04,160
that's kind of the case though, because you

550
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,480
are feeding it raw, well-structured, well, like

551
00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:16,020
named data, you know, I mean, that's it's

552
00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:17,480
as good as it gets, I guess.

553
00:18:18,540 --> 00:18:23,880
Like, cause you're not just saying you're not

554
00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,200
just giving sort of like vague numbers or,

555
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,340
or charts or something like that.

556
00:18:29,540 --> 00:18:33,480
You're, I mean, so what, what that data

557
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,000
is that you drug in there, and this

558
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,740
is, this is kind of an interesting thing

559
00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,100
because, you know, like cotton gin said, how

560
00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:39,960
can you trust it though?

561
00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:41,680
It'll hallucinate whatever you want it to.

562
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:48,660
I am interested in how, so here's, here's

563
00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:49,560
the thing I've been wondering.

564
00:18:52,780 --> 00:19:01,580
I understand how LLMs function in, in sort

565
00:19:01,580 --> 00:19:04,780
of the, I mean, I can't do the

566
00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:08,200
math on them, obviously, but, but it's, it's

567
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,380
an understandable concept that it's a prediction engine

568
00:19:13,380 --> 00:19:15,860
that predicts the next, you know, piece of

569
00:19:15,860 --> 00:19:16,200
text.

570
00:19:16,340 --> 00:19:19,020
And you can even understand like a diffusion

571
00:19:19,020 --> 00:19:24,920
generator that does images where it starts with

572
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:30,380
sort of like a solid, a solid matrix

573
00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:34,020
and then removes every, you know, removes everything

574
00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:37,320
that's not a guess at what this image

575
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:37,860
might be.

576
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,740
So these, these, these sort of like tensor

577
00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:45,560
based things are, they're conceptually, you can understand

578
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:45,820
them.

579
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,040
The one part of the flow I don't

580
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,720
understand, and this is going to, I want

581
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,920
to expound on this in a little bit

582
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,060
because this ties into the new open aggregator

583
00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:57,320
project that I'm, that I just published yesterday.

584
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,420
Um, the one thing I don't understand is

585
00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:06,840
how that gets translated into, into some sort

586
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,620
of action.

587
00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:16,440
So if I say, um, if I, if

588
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,840
I say, if I, if I put a

589
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,160
stats file into a chat bot, LLM chat

590
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,660
bot and say, here's a file, analyze this

591
00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:28,240
file and show, and tell me blah, blah,

592
00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:28,580
blah.

593
00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:36,000
Well, the, the analysis part where it's supposed

594
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,940
to look at the file you gave it

595
00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:44,020
and understand what the columns are and that

596
00:20:44,020 --> 00:20:47,520
it is this sort of, you know, data

597
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,880
representation and that kind of thing.

598
00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:51,660
That's the part that I don't fully understand.

599
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,380
Oh, I can tell you that's not just

600
00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:54,060
text prediction.

601
00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,240
I can tell you exactly what it's doing.

602
00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:56,960
Oh, cool.

603
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,460
And you can, and you can see this

604
00:20:58,460 --> 00:21:01,220
very easily with Grok for sure.

605
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,260
I think Chad GPT because I, and I

606
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:05,960
looked at this specifically, but I've seen it,

607
00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:08,200
you know, I'll give a simpler example.

608
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,180
Um, tell me if during the shutdown in

609
00:21:14,180 --> 00:21:17,000
the United States, the government shut down, if

610
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,720
healthcare insurance stocks went up or down.

611
00:21:21,060 --> 00:21:24,200
So there's an agentic part, which is the

612
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,000
data collection.

613
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,580
So it goes out, it collects stock prices

614
00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:30,380
at first, it determines what is a health

615
00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:31,120
insurance stock.

616
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,800
These things, it's pretty good at that.

617
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,820
Even with the predictive, you know, just understanding

618
00:21:34,820 --> 00:21:35,460
language.

619
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,880
And it does that very quickly, quicker than

620
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:38,500
I could do it.

621
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,160
So it brings all that in.

622
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,900
And then literally, if you click that little,

623
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,260
you know, the little thinking thing where it

624
00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:47,320
says thinking, you keep seeing the lines of

625
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:47,960
what it's doing.

626
00:21:48,220 --> 00:21:50,360
If you click that box deliberation.

627
00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:50,720
Yeah.

628
00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:54,220
Well, it'll show you building code and it

629
00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:58,120
literally writes Python scripts to do the calculations

630
00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:59,360
that you asked it to do.

631
00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:00,660
Right.

632
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,220
That's why I love doing my vibe coding

633
00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:05,560
in Python because these things all use Python.

634
00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:10,020
And so that's the, that's the math part

635
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:14,700
that it understands how to corroborate that to

636
00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:17,580
the question, or at least it tries, then

637
00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:19,020
you can easily verify it.

638
00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:21,380
If that's the question that you, that you

639
00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:21,700
ask.

640
00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:23,940
So as long as in the dataset, you're

641
00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:27,940
talking about plays and shares and support clicks,

642
00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:31,160
that's interpretable from the data we give it

643
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:31,940
from Godcaster.

644
00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:35,960
So you're saying, okay, let me sort of

645
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,760
talk this back to you and see if

646
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,180
I understand.

647
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,920
So you're saying that when you drop a

648
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,940
CSV file in there, this is a, you

649
00:22:43,940 --> 00:22:45,760
know, the stats log, the, the big, the

650
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,400
big log that we give them.

651
00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:47,780
Yeah.

652
00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:49,280
It goes along with your nuts.

653
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,380
You give them a huge fat log, they

654
00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:57,220
drop it into a chat GPT or whatever.

655
00:22:57,980 --> 00:23:06,760
Chat GPT is, is determining that this is

656
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,100
a CSV file.

657
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,660
And so then it, in the background writes

658
00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:15,220
code that will import the CSV file.

659
00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:16,920
I think that only happens when you ask

660
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,400
the question.

661
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,480
So it sees the file.

662
00:23:18,580 --> 00:23:19,220
It just sits there.

663
00:23:19,620 --> 00:23:21,460
Then you ask a question and then it

664
00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:25,040
creates code to calculate the question.

665
00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:28,260
So it's already, and I believe that simple

666
00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:30,600
questions like, give me a total, give me

667
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,340
an average.

668
00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:33,340
These are all in the corpus.

669
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,040
It, it, you know, the, it, it can

670
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,420
map those things.

671
00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:38,780
And of course, I'm sure I'm not the

672
00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:40,460
only one who's thrown stats in there.

673
00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:42,600
So it, it can take, it already has

674
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,180
more things that it can work with, but

675
00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:47,900
ultimately the it's building code.

676
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:49,680
Yeah.

677
00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:50,080
Okay.

678
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,120
Well that, okay.

679
00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:53,560
That makes, that makes more sense.

680
00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:54,140
Which is great.

681
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,520
Cause you can copy it and then run

682
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,100
it yourself.

683
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,440
Yeah.

684
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,080
So like, I guess, I mean, I guess

685
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,100
you shortcut that for common things.

686
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:05,260
Like you, if, if you're, if you know,

687
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,060
people are dropping CSVs into your chat bot

688
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,260
all day long, you probably have a, something

689
00:24:11,260 --> 00:24:12,960
in place that it can just call out

690
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,020
and quit and not have to create code

691
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:15,780
every single time.

692
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,120
Yeah.

693
00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:17,440
This is that, that I don't think.

694
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:18,680
You don't?

695
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,900
I've been very disappointed with iterating with an

696
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:23,180
LLM sucks.

697
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:27,000
I mean, whatever you're doing, you ask it

698
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,120
like, so I was building, I was writing

699
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,860
the outline for this Godcaster U presentation.

700
00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:32,880
I love outlines.

701
00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:35,740
Outlines work for my brain and you know,

702
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,100
PowerPoint literally has an outline mode.

703
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:39,960
So you can, you know, stick your outline

704
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,740
in there and then create your slides from

705
00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:41,940
it.

706
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,820
So I throw it into Grok, Chad, GPT

707
00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:46,460
and Gemini.

708
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,600
And I say, build a slide presentation.

709
00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:52,080
Grok says, Oh, I can't do that.

710
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,640
The Chad GPT.

711
00:24:53,780 --> 00:24:54,700
Oh no, I can't do that.

712
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,560
Gemini said, sure, here's a slide deck.

713
00:24:57,780 --> 00:25:02,140
And it created slides for every single node

714
00:25:02,140 --> 00:25:04,020
in my outline with pictures.

715
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:07,520
I'm like, wow, this is actually, you could

716
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,900
download it, but the slideshow worked right there

717
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:10,260
in the bra.

718
00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:11,800
I have no idea how to call it.

719
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:14,220
Cause I, cause I asked it several times

720
00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:16,260
in different context windows.

721
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,560
Hey, create a slideshow.

722
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,400
Didn't do that.

723
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:19,960
So I just stuck with that one.

724
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:24,060
Like, okay, I want this very surprised looking

725
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:25,700
person on slide seven.

726
00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:28,060
I want that person to look like a

727
00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:30,700
middle-aged white lady looking surprised.

728
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,200
And then it deleted, it deleted all the

729
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,140
pictures, gave me no pictures, changed text.

730
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:39,520
I mean, you cannot iterate with this stuff.

731
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:42,560
You can't make incremental changes.

732
00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:44,440
It's, it just is not capable.

733
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,240
I haven't found to be capable of that.

734
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,420
Well, that was, that was always also my

735
00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:50,360
experience with mid journey is you would get

736
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,080
the first picture set of pictures you got.

737
00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:54,460
That's as good as you're going to get.

738
00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:55,100
Yeah.

739
00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:59,060
Your attempt to change it, like modify it.

740
00:25:59,060 --> 00:26:00,400
It only gets worse.

741
00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:01,160
It can't do that.

742
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:01,840
Yeah.

743
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,560
You know, so do you mind if we

744
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,780
foray into, well, actually, I think it was

745
00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:11,360
just, no, I don't want you to foray.

746
00:26:11,380 --> 00:26:12,500
I would like you to sashay.

747
00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:17,700
I would like to momentarily sashay into the

748
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,460
feed parser, but yeah, before you, before we

749
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:24,260
do that though, you were talking about hosting

750
00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:25,840
and Sam had a question.

751
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,100
Ah, yes.

752
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,360
You heretic.

753
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:41,030
Like, so Sam's question was if the feed

754
00:26:41,030 --> 00:26:46,170
has an HLS video in an episode as

755
00:26:46,170 --> 00:26:50,130
an alternate enclosure, should you play that first

756
00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:51,410
instead of the audio?

757
00:26:54,430 --> 00:26:58,950
Before, before I give my sort of, before

758
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:00,570
I give my opinion, what, what do you,

759
00:27:00,630 --> 00:27:01,190
what do you think?

760
00:27:01,230 --> 00:27:02,290
I think I already know it, but what

761
00:27:02,290 --> 00:27:02,630
do you think?

762
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:07,510
Well, I liked Oscar Mary's choice in this,

763
00:27:07,550 --> 00:27:10,190
which came after my, my vote.

764
00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:11,690
I was the only person that voted when

765
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:11,990
I vote.

766
00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:12,910
I'm like, oh, a hundred percent.

767
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:13,830
Oh, you were the one.

768
00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:14,550
It's just me.

769
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:15,230
It's just me.

770
00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:20,430
The decision that Fountain has made is if

771
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:23,530
it's mobile on the app, it's audio.

772
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:26,050
If it's on the web player, it's video.

773
00:27:27,010 --> 00:27:28,330
I like that a lot.

774
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:31,590
Yeah, that's a good, yeah, I can see

775
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:31,910
that.

776
00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:37,510
Now what you said, you heretic, you said,

777
00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:39,690
oh, we should probably do it, do video.

778
00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:41,390
Let everybody know we're doing videos.

779
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:42,950
I did not say it in that voice.

780
00:27:42,970 --> 00:27:44,050
Yes, it was that voice.

781
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:44,970
I heard that voice.

782
00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:46,930
I did not say it in that voice.

783
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:48,890
We should probably get, you know, a podcast

784
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:51,450
industrial complex, everything's YouTube video.

785
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:53,010
We should do video, make a video.

786
00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:54,910
My keyboard won't even do that voice.

787
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:56,410
That's not what I did.

788
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:58,170
That's how I heard it.

789
00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:02,330
What I said was, at the risk of

790
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:04,650
being a heretic, I'd say play the video.

791
00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:07,810
I said, here's my thought.

792
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:14,160
Right now, if somebody goes to the trouble

793
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,800
of putting that in their feed, they probably

794
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,220
want people to see the video because it's

795
00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:24,440
such a, it's so rare.

796
00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:28,380
And so I'm like, for now, it's probably

797
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:31,560
a good, a good signal that somebody wants,

798
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,820
like they want their video out there in

799
00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:36,080
the world, but like long term.

800
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:36,680
Hmm.

801
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,440
Well, I mean, I'm going to agree with

802
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,280
you, which should sound like this to you.

803
00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:47,060
I'm going to agree with you, baby.

804
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,760
That's the way I heard it.

805
00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:49,720
I'm all in with you.

806
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,160
That's the way I heard it.

807
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:54,780
I think it is it because I don't

808
00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:57,740
do video, but if I were doing video,

809
00:28:57,780 --> 00:29:02,020
I'm 95% confident I would want video

810
00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:03,120
to surface first.

811
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,820
Yeah.

812
00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:05,520
Yeah.

813
00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:07,300
Because you put a lot of effort into

814
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:07,480
it.

815
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:07,720
Yeah.

816
00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:09,020
Yeah.

817
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,500
But then unless you're me and then it's,

818
00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:13,560
but then it never even works.

819
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,900
Half the time it doesn't even have audio.

820
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,820
Are you even doing OBS anymore?

821
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,060
Not right now.

822
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,980
I forget.

823
00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:23,180
This is the problem.

824
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,040
I just, I forget.

825
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Every week I forget to do it.

826
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,380
I've forgotten to hit record, you know, stuff

827
00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:31,860
happens.

828
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,140
It happened not too long ago, actually, when

829
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:35,200
I forgot to hit record.

830
00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:39,620
And the one, like, I know, I just

831
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:41,880
can't, there's so much stuff that's broken that

832
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,220
I can't, that I can't get to.

833
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,160
I mean, my umbral node is broken.

834
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:45,860
Yeah.

835
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:48,300
You're hurting, you're hurting the business, man.

836
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,540
We're not getting any, we're not getting, you're

837
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:51,220
hurting the show.

838
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:52,560
We're not getting any sats.

839
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,900
I know it's, it's, I feel horrible about

840
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:59,780
it, but the umbral node is that's, that's

841
00:29:59,780 --> 00:30:00,540
a lot of fun.

842
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:02,240
It's a lot of fun to debug.

843
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,100
It's all Docker containers.

844
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,260
Oh, I know.

845
00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:08,980
And hell, and I've, I've done so many

846
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:10,640
times, all of a sudden, the whole thing

847
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:10,960
quits.

848
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,880
I start it back up and it says,

849
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,420
Oh, this Docker already exists.

850
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,580
This Docker already exists.

851
00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:19,680
So then you have to pseudo, uh, stop,

852
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:26,520
pseudo stop Docker, paste Docker ID, pseudo remove

853
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,400
Docker, paste Docker ID.

854
00:30:28,940 --> 00:30:30,400
You've got to do that for about 10

855
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,040
of them, depending on how many apps you

856
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,620
have installed.

857
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:34,820
And then it'll start back up.

858
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,320
What I don't get is, is I did

859
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:38,780
nothing.

860
00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:41,120
I did nothing to this, to this umbral.

861
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,420
That's a feature of umbral.

862
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:44,920
It's always exciting.

863
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,020
Yeah.

864
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,500
You don't know what you're going to get,

865
00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:50,320
but now when I go to the local,

866
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,080
you know, local host on my umbral, I

867
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,900
get the default Apache two.

868
00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:55,960
It works page.

869
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,540
Oh goodness.

870
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:58,480
Yeah.

871
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:58,740
Yeah.

872
00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:00,460
Now it's just an Apache default.

873
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:01,560
Okay.

874
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,800
What's happening here.

875
00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:04,700
I did nothing.

876
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,840
And well, all I did was install the,

877
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,760
uh, what do you call it?

878
00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:12,700
The, the Albi hub.

879
00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:13,320
Yeah.

880
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Try 127.0.0.1. That made you

881
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,540
better than local host.

882
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,780
I've had that happen.

883
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,960
On the umbral?

884
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:22,560
Yeah.

885
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:24,740
Instead of local host.

886
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:25,660
Yeah.

887
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:26,140
Same thing.

888
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:28,500
Apache, Apache default page.

889
00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:30,520
Unplug it and plug it back in.

890
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,260
All right.

891
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:31,820
See you.

892
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,280
This was terrible.

893
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:36,920
This is not a good product.

894
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:38,400
No, no, it's not.

895
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:39,100
Start nine.

896
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,440
Baby.

897
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:40,300
That's the way to go.

898
00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:43,000
I was waiting for your ad.

899
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:43,960
I was waiting for the ad.

900
00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:45,080
Oh yeah.

901
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,080
Okay.

902
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:47,680
They did give me a box.

903
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:48,280
That's for sure.

904
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:50,200
They gave me a box and that's what

905
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:50,460
helped.

906
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,300
And that's, that's how we got helipad in

907
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:52,620
there.

908
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,580
No, actually it's not the one terabyte.

909
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,720
I'm not, it's not a dry space issue

910
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,740
because I did fit.

911
00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:02,180
It was getting close and I fixed it.

912
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,700
I cloned it onto a new unit.

913
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,760
It's all, that's been fixed for a while.

914
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Um, yeah, I don't know.

915
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,900
That's, it's, it's, it's a pain in the

916
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:11,300
butt.

917
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:13,240
It's a pain in the butt is what

918
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:13,660
it is.

919
00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:14,180
Yeah.

920
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,000
Um, which, which I seem to be using

921
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
that term a whole lot lately.

922
00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:22,540
Well, I can't believe that your day job

923
00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:23,940
is all of a sudden so painful.

924
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,460
Isn't it supposed to end or do we

925
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:29,260
have another rush towards January 1st or December

926
00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:30,420
31st?

927
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:32,860
Uh, no, December is my busiest month of

928
00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:33,200
the year.

929
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,300
Oh, what happened?

930
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,140
It's April, October, December.

931
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:38,520
Yeah.

932
00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:41,260
This April is a lot of after hours

933
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:41,680
work.

934
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,740
Um, then, uh, you know, then October, October,

935
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,520
same way.

936
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,860
But December is installing all the new year's

937
00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:53,360
tax software and onboarding interns for the new

938
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,660
year so that it's a lot to do

939
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:56,540
in a small amount of time.

940
00:32:56,540 --> 00:32:58,520
Got any hot interns next year, Dave?

941
00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:00,280
I wouldn't know.

942
00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:01,980
I would not know.

943
00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:03,520
Oh, you're just onboarding them.

944
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:04,460
Yeah.

945
00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:06,280
We're just all I have is names, which

946
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,700
is funny.

947
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Like the Nick, this new generation, um, that's

948
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,520
coming out of college, the names, very confusing.

949
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:16,520
Oh, they spell them in weird ways.

950
00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:17,700
Yes.

951
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:19,380
They spell them in weird ways.

952
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:22,540
It's, uh, girls with boy names, boys with

953
00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:23,340
girl names.

954
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:28,580
Like you can't tell who is, is what.

955
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,220
Do you have to, do you have a

956
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:32,300
pronouns in your corporate profiles?

957
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:35,000
Uh, no, we do not.

958
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Do you, do you like, it's like the

959
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,640
name, uh, I'm trying to, I'm trying to

960
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,760
think of one I did in the last

961
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:43,280
few years.

962
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:43,580
Vivian.

963
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Vivian, that one.

964
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,360
No, like Alex.

965
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,200
Oh yeah.

966
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:48,540
Oh yeah.

967
00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:49,500
With an I.

968
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:50,760
Alex with an I.

969
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,180
Yes.

970
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:51,500
Yeah.

971
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,320
That kind of stuff.

972
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:52,560
Yeah.

973
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,940
Anyway, young, young people.

974
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:55,660
Yeah.

975
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Yeah.

976
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,060
They're, they're, uh, they're a waste of time.

977
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,520
When I was a kid, we were just

978
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,980
called Bob and Alice.

979
00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:03,260
Yeah.

980
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:06,560
Although I did see a resurgence of old

981
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,159
names though.

982
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:08,380
Yeah.

983
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,060
Like Mohammed.

984
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,620
Older.

985
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,900
No, no, no.

986
00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:11,920
Like older names.

987
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,260
Like, uh, like Jim and Bob and stuff

988
00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:17,560
like that.

989
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,840
That's they're making a comeback.

990
00:34:19,370 --> 00:34:19,699
Hmm.

991
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,100
That's cool.

992
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:24,480
So let's talk about your, um, your Aggie.

993
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:27,080
Yeah.

994
00:34:27,179 --> 00:34:29,100
So, um, what have you done?

995
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:39,500
So I guess one of the, firstly, I've

996
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:44,420
realized that I can't build everything myself to

997
00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:44,920
spread out.

998
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,219
So I would like to, but I do

999
00:34:49,219 --> 00:34:53,800
have a vision for, for the way that

1000
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,080
I think it was things should work.

1001
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,740
And I want to try, I would like

1002
00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:02,600
to try something.

1003
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:08,880
Um, and I hope that this gets a

1004
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,260
lot of, um, support traction.

1005
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:14,500
Yeah.

1006
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:17,180
I hope, I hope people PRs will spread

1007
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:17,800
the word.

1008
00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:18,520
Yes.

1009
00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:20,640
I hope people will spread the word to

1010
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,920
get other people involved.

1011
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,820
Um, one thing I'm really terrible at is

1012
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:29,240
getting help with things.

1013
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:34,860
So like sysadmin stuff, developer stuff, and, and

1014
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:39,700
mostly it's because my time is so limited.

1015
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,760
It's so crunched that it's, it's really hard

1016
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,160
to find like an hour for a zoom

1017
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,440
call to even explain to somebody what I

1018
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,200
need help with, because then you have to

1019
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,300
go through, this is very similar to, okay,

1020
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:00,680
this is very similar.

1021
00:36:00,780 --> 00:36:01,340
Thank you, Eric.

1022
00:36:01,340 --> 00:36:02,020
I appreciate that.

1023
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,620
Like Eric has offered to help so many

1024
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:06,040
people have offered to help over the years.

1025
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,360
And, and like, and I feel bad for

1026
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,580
not engaging more with them.

1027
00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:14,620
Like Archie has asked to help multiple times.

1028
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:17,200
So many people have it.

1029
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,720
The, the problem is this is very similar

1030
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,140
to the way, like if you have a

1031
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:25,440
piece of software that you've been writing in

1032
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,200
private for years and years and years, and

1033
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,000
then you want to open source it, it's

1034
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,380
scary.

1035
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,460
It takes hours and hours of work to

1036
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:35,760
go through and make sure that you are,

1037
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,240
that you don't have other proprietary code that

1038
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,620
you can't, that would be illegal to release

1039
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:43,940
to make sure you don't have hidden secrets

1040
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:45,860
in there that, that shouldn't be exposed.

1041
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,020
Um, like, uh, hard coded passwords.

1042
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,480
Some, some things are just, uh, you want

1043
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,680
to make sure that you don't have code

1044
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,720
that's also used in another place that exposing

1045
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,780
this code would also expose the backend of

1046
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:03,340
a running software that doesn't need to be

1047
00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:03,900
exposed.

1048
00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:07,460
So that now, because you used the same,

1049
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,480
uh, low level, uh, function in two different

1050
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,860
places, you, you, you make it public here.

1051
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:16,000
Now they know that that's the same function

1052
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,500
that you used in this other code that

1053
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:18,280
is not public.

1054
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,880
There's so many things that you have to

1055
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,040
do.

1056
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:22,100
It takes hours.

1057
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:25,500
This is very, it's in a very, in

1058
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,600
a similar way, getting help with a project

1059
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,360
like podcast index means spending a lot of

1060
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,420
time with a person explaining to them what,

1061
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:45,140
how the system works, giving them, um, credentials

1062
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:49,140
to get into the system, but just enough

1063
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:52,180
credentials because you're not, you don't be handing

1064
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:53,540
out root to the whole world.

1065
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,440
So you have to, it takes a lot

1066
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,580
of time to bring someone on board to

1067
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:02,260
help in a meaningful way with these things.

1068
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,340
So tell me you set this project up

1069
00:38:04,340 --> 00:38:06,260
correctly from the beginning.

1070
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:14,860
So here's the idea.

1071
00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:22,360
The podcast index, it works, it works fine,

1072
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,080
but, Oh, the dreaded F word.

1073
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,000
Whenever my wife says, yeah, I'm fine.

1074
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,400
It's no good.

1075
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,840
You got to step it up.

1076
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:32,400
It worked.

1077
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:34,220
It works fine.

1078
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:41,270
But the, um, how should I say this?

1079
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:49,950
It, there is the design of it goes

1080
00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:51,850
way, goes back to the very beginning of

1081
00:38:51,850 --> 00:38:55,250
2020 when we built this entire thing in,

1082
00:38:55,250 --> 00:39:01,270
uh, about six weeks from scratch, literally six

1083
00:39:01,270 --> 00:39:01,810
weeks.

1084
00:39:01,810 --> 00:39:04,810
And it was, I mean, it was stupid

1085
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:09,150
fast and we did, it was the, the

1086
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:11,830
goal was get something to work.

1087
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:16,110
So, and then once you have something that,

1088
00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:18,990
that works, now you've introduced technical debt for

1089
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,010
the rest of your life.

1090
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:21,430
Technical debt.

1091
00:39:21,790 --> 00:39:22,270
Exactly.

1092
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:26,750
So we, the technical debt in the podcast

1093
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:31,650
index is a feature, uh, that is in,

1094
00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:33,930
and I'm, I've been okay with our technical

1095
00:39:33,930 --> 00:39:37,010
debt because it's not the type of debt

1096
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:42,270
that comes back and sort of like bites

1097
00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:44,030
you in the rear in the future in

1098
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:47,630
a way where like you, you get stuck

1099
00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:48,950
and you can't move forward.

1100
00:39:49,090 --> 00:39:51,090
It's not that type of technical debt.

1101
00:39:52,910 --> 00:40:00,400
Um, the, this time, this type of technical

1102
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,720
debt just means that when things that things

1103
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,660
are just not as efficient as they could

1104
00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:06,980
be.

1105
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,180
And so that touches on the second leg

1106
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:11,700
of, of podcast index, which is always the

1107
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:12,500
financial issue.

1108
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,040
We got to run things as cheaply as

1109
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:16,440
possible.

1110
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:21,380
So, um, our type of technical debt just

1111
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:23,400
means that in order to kind of scale

1112
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,120
up, we have to throw more money at

1113
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,240
it.

1114
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,660
And that's the thing we can't do.

1115
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,940
So rather than trying to, I've been, I've

1116
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:36,020
been thinking about this for weeks now, rather

1117
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:38,940
than trying to onboard a bunch of people

1118
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:42,160
into sort of a, a part-time sys

1119
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,020
admin role.

1120
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,360
And again, I'm not opposed to that.

1121
00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:47,320
That's not, I'm not opposed to it at

1122
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,980
all, but that is very time consuming.

1123
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,460
I would rather, and I, in addition to

1124
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,260
doing a little bit of that, I would

1125
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:04,400
also like to sort of allow the community

1126
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:10,240
to build new versions of the podcast index

1127
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,440
to build the next generation podcast index themselves

1128
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,520
in public.

1129
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,280
And that way they already know how the

1130
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,760
system works just because they built it.

1131
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,880
And so as we build it together, all

1132
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,620
together, we can document the way the pieces

1133
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:35,080
fit.

1134
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,140
And I can bring in somebody like Archie

1135
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,700
to begin to put these new pieces together

1136
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:45,400
from the beginning.

1137
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:50,760
So you, we sort of build, we build

1138
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,800
the community sys admin effort into the new

1139
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:57,940
product.

1140
00:41:58,720 --> 00:41:59,620
I like it.

1141
00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:01,420
Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense.

1142
00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:08,520
Uh, so the first sort of attempt at

1143
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,520
this is the feed, the feed parser repository

1144
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,980
that I just put up.

1145
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:22,330
And, um, it is, so there's, there's a

1146
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:24,370
few things that we need to go over.

1147
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:26,350
I will stop now to ask for, to

1148
00:42:26,350 --> 00:42:28,270
pause for any questions you have.

1149
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:32,950
Uh, nope.

1150
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:34,070
Okay.

1151
00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:36,870
The, so the first thing is we're going

1152
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:37,490
to build it.

1153
00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:39,770
Clearly we're going to build it in the

1154
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:40,110
open.

1155
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:46,110
So this, this will be the first piece

1156
00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:49,930
of software that will live in.

1157
00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:52,810
We'll do this in some, we'll do this

1158
00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:53,350
in phases.

1159
00:42:53,350 --> 00:42:53,770
Okay.

1160
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:55,990
And I need to, I need to document

1161
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:57,090
this whole, there's going to be, there needs

1162
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:58,690
to be a repo for this whole build

1163
00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:59,890
process and we'll do that.

1164
00:43:00,050 --> 00:43:01,190
I'm going to do that too.

1165
00:43:01,270 --> 00:43:03,110
That's the next thing I'm going to do.

1166
00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:08,070
The, so the way this will sort of

1167
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:10,390
this phased approach, I think I envision it

1168
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:11,370
going like this.

1169
00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:18,030
First thing we need is an aggregation stack

1170
00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:26,350
and the, the, the aggregation stack

1171
00:43:26,350 --> 00:43:30,650
will look like this.

1172
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:34,330
It will, it will be a feed polling

1173
00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:37,250
agent and we already have one that's, that's

1174
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:37,730
pretty good.

1175
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:40,790
I think it can be improved, but aggravator,

1176
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:42,810
which is our current feed polling agent, is

1177
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:46,350
a sync, is an asynchronous, uh, feed poller

1178
00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:47,330
written in rust.

1179
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:48,210
It's very fast.

1180
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:51,030
And I think it, I think it works

1181
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:52,070
very, I think it works good.

1182
00:43:52,830 --> 00:43:58,150
Um, that thing outputs it, it, it download,

1183
00:43:58,170 --> 00:44:00,810
it downloads the files that the XML feed

1184
00:44:00,810 --> 00:44:02,610
files and saves them as files on the

1185
00:44:02,610 --> 00:44:04,470
file system with some metadata attached.

1186
00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:07,310
I think we're good there, but we will

1187
00:44:07,310 --> 00:44:09,990
bring, we will bring that along as well.

1188
00:44:11,230 --> 00:44:15,250
The, this repo I just posted, uh, yesterday.

1189
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:17,730
Did you post it on the podcast index

1190
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:18,710
GitHub or?

1191
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:21,910
Yeah, it's on, uh, there's a link to

1192
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:23,010
it in the IRC.

1193
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:28,130
Eric PP posted it in the chat room,

1194
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:29,430
the boardroom.

1195
00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:35,050
Uh, so then, so the feed parser, what

1196
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:38,030
it's going to do, and here's the goal

1197
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:40,650
for this repo, uh, it needs to be

1198
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:42,970
a rust, uh, it's a rust built process,

1199
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:46,210
a single process that will, that will be

1200
00:44:46,210 --> 00:44:47,430
launched.

1201
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:50,270
It will pull in all of the XML

1202
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:52,430
files that were downloaded by aggravator.

1203
00:44:53,830 --> 00:44:56,650
It will parse them using an XML stream

1204
00:44:56,650 --> 00:45:03,230
parser and then output a, uh, a text

1205
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:09,030
file that contains a Jason representation of a

1206
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:12,290
SQL insert or update statement.

1207
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:22,810
And, and I say like a representation in

1208
00:45:22,810 --> 00:45:25,190
quote in quotes, it's not, it's going to

1209
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:28,470
be some, it'll be an object that can

1210
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:33,470
be easily assembled into a text SQL statement.

1211
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,080
So that's, it's meant to be run, it's

1212
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,100
meant to run and then exit, not be

1213
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:42,700
a continuously running process.

1214
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:45,900
Well, that, that you just lock me out

1215
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:47,040
of developing for it.

1216
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:48,940
Okay.

1217
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:49,460
Sorry.

1218
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,820
So it will, it will execute, you know,

1219
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,100
on a timer or whatever.

1220
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,340
The inputs folder is where the XML feed

1221
00:46:01,340 --> 00:46:03,540
files from aggregator aggravator are going to live.

1222
00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:06,940
It will pull those files in process them

1223
00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:08,700
using the stream parser and then output a

1224
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:09,480
Jason file.

1225
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:14,000
And if we can make it have some

1226
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,380
sort of plugin architecture, that'd be great.

1227
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,800
But that, that's, that's not, so this is

1228
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,820
the, uh, no e-tag URL and then

1229
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:23,760
index ID.

1230
00:46:25,220 --> 00:46:25,660
Yeah.

1231
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,580
So that's the, the file names will have

1232
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:28,020
a pattern.

1233
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:28,780
Yeah, exactly.

1234
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:29,300
Okay.

1235
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:33,100
Um, and then, so that is the feed

1236
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:33,640
parser.

1237
00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:35,020
So what you're going to be left with

1238
00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:36,880
once you're going to be left with after

1239
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,520
the feed parser runs is an outputs folder

1240
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,060
that has a bunch of Jason files in

1241
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:48,520
it that will then be picked up by

1242
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,700
the SQL statement builder process.

1243
00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:56,420
And that will run on each aggregator node.

1244
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,860
So there, this is the next piece of

1245
00:46:58,860 --> 00:46:59,220
the puzzle.

1246
00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:01,860
You'll have a SQL statement builder that will

1247
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:08,020
read the Jason, uh, object, build a SQL

1248
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:12,980
statement from it and stick it into the

1249
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:15,220
queue server to stick it in the queue.

1250
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:18,060
And that'll be the next piece of the

1251
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:18,340
puzzle.

1252
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,740
There'll be a queue server.

1253
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,260
Now this can be something as simple as

1254
00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:22,740
like Redis or something like that.

1255
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,760
I mean, this, this doesn't necessarily have to

1256
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,520
be something we build, but there needs to

1257
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,300
be some sort of queue server, um, that

1258
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:33,860
is, that lives in this, in the infrastructure

1259
00:47:33,860 --> 00:47:37,060
where all of these SQL statements are going

1260
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:38,820
to be placed in a first in first

1261
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:39,440
out fashion.

1262
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:43,680
Then you'll have a, the next piece of

1263
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,240
the stack will be a SQL execution agent,

1264
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:51,520
which picks objects off of the queue in

1265
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,400
FIFO order and just executes them to put

1266
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,540
them into the database.

1267
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,160
Um, now this SQL execution agent that is

1268
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,820
plucking off the queue and executing this thing

1269
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:10,460
needs to, it needs to monitor a few

1270
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:10,980
things.

1271
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,420
It needs to monitor the process, uh, excuse

1272
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:19,340
me, the, it needs to monitor the, the

1273
00:48:19,340 --> 00:48:26,040
database server to look for how much, uh,

1274
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,200
load it currently is experiencing and adjust its

1275
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,740
insert, update, delete pressure accordingly.

1276
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:36,900
So you don't, excuse me, you don't want

1277
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:40,640
to have it just slamming the server.

1278
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,580
You already have an endpoint for that, for

1279
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:44,460
that, for that server load?

1280
00:48:45,860 --> 00:48:47,300
No, I think, I think we're going to

1281
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:50,160
have to tap into whatever the underlying database,

1282
00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:54,980
uh, metrics are in that the database server

1283
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:55,480
provides.

1284
00:48:56,300 --> 00:49:04,960
Now, um, I have used MySQL forever.

1285
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:07,900
It's the only database server that I've, well,

1286
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,780
I mean, I've also used Microsoft SQL server,

1287
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,800
but I've, I've never used Postgres and I

1288
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,780
know that Postgres is what everybody loves and

1289
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:19,960
I'm fine with switching.

1290
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:22,100
I will just have to learn this new

1291
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:22,440
thing.

1292
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,540
So if, um, you know, if we want,

1293
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,100
so the reason I say that is initially,

1294
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:33,100
I think we should start by just replacing

1295
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:36,840
the aggregation stack and have it tap into

1296
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,520
our current database.

1297
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:40,120
Can I ask a question?

1298
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,040
Okay.

1299
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,780
What are the intended downstream benefits of this

1300
00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:45,640
new aggregator?

1301
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:51,170
So the way the current aggregators work is

1302
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:59,970
they, uh, the, the parser and the SQL

1303
00:49:59,970 --> 00:50:03,870
insertion functions are happening in the same process.

1304
00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:07,470
So the node, the, these are node JS

1305
00:50:07,470 --> 00:50:10,750
processes that run, they pick up, they pick

1306
00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:14,850
up the feed files, parse them into a,

1307
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:20,270
into a JavaScript object in memory, and then

1308
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:25,370
convert those objects into SQL statements that are

1309
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:26,230
then executed.

1310
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:30,350
So there's, uh, there was 10, there's nine

1311
00:50:30,350 --> 00:50:30,870
aggregators.

1312
00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:32,070
Currently there was 10.

1313
00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:32,850
Now we dropped a nine.

1314
00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:37,710
There's nine aggregators and they, all nine of

1315
00:50:37,710 --> 00:50:41,850
them are constantly connecting to the database to

1316
00:50:41,850 --> 00:50:42,590
write to it.

1317
00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:47,610
So none of them know at any given

1318
00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:49,730
time how much load there is.

1319
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:55,290
They're all just competing to put their stuff

1320
00:50:55,290 --> 00:50:57,210
into the database as fast as possible.

1321
00:50:58,350 --> 00:51:02,190
And this means that it's the load on

1322
00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:04,350
the server is, is very spiky.

1323
00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:09,570
It just goes through surges, um, all the

1324
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:12,290
time and I'm constantly having to sort of

1325
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:15,130
tweak it and massage things to make sure,

1326
00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:21,250
uh, you don't, you don't get log jammed.

1327
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:22,170
Yes, exactly.

1328
00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:22,470
Right.

1329
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:22,810
Yeah.

1330
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:25,670
Um, yeah, Eric, it could do your exactly.

1331
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:26,570
It could do that too.

1332
00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:26,870
Yeah.

1333
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:28,570
We could just cue the JSON rather than

1334
00:51:28,570 --> 00:51:28,850
SQL.

1335
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:29,250
It's fine.

1336
00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:31,390
Can I have another question inserted here?

1337
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:32,470
Yes, sir.

1338
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:39,190
With a new aggregator aggravator stack, will we

1339
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:42,850
be able to detect changes made to older

1340
00:51:42,850 --> 00:51:46,570
episodes or feed items like image tag, et

1341
00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:48,650
cetera, and reparse those?

1342
00:51:49,390 --> 00:51:49,670
Yes.

1343
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:52,370
That's what I call a downstream effect.

1344
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:53,410
Yes.

1345
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:56,210
So the, and, and the reason, the reason

1346
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:59,550
is because if you have all the SQL

1347
00:51:59,550 --> 00:52:03,950
adjusting, um, actions, if you have all the

1348
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:08,650
SQL actions being queued, then you're not where

1349
00:52:08,650 --> 00:52:12,210
you'll, you can adjust the load accordingly.

1350
00:52:12,850 --> 00:52:16,170
Now you, you know, queues also have problems

1351
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:16,370
too.

1352
00:52:16,450 --> 00:52:17,990
I mean, none of the, all, everything has

1353
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:18,490
trade-offs.

1354
00:52:19,330 --> 00:52:21,770
And the one thing you can say about

1355
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:23,630
the current model is it's fast.

1356
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:25,010
It's very fast.

1357
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:25,310
Yeah.

1358
00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:31,660
And it is, um, it, it's fast at

1359
00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:34,300
the expense of sometimes bringing the server like

1360
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:35,300
to, to its knees.

1361
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:37,640
I mean, it can just get, if we

1362
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:43,260
spun up part of the reason the database

1363
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:48,020
doesn't actually just crash is because, or lockout

1364
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:51,400
is because we have underpowered aggregators.

1365
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,060
If I, if I boosted the horsepower on

1366
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:57,500
all the aggregators to let's, you know, to

1367
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:01,080
beefier VMs, it could pump so much data

1368
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,880
at that database.

1369
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,840
It would just lock it.

1370
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:03,380
Right.

1371
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:09,020
So the queue thing is really good for

1372
00:53:09,020 --> 00:53:12,640
being able to just feed the database with

1373
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,740
a, at a predictable rate, but predictable is

1374
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:19,620
also a synonym for slow.

1375
00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:20,180
Hmm.

1376
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,510
So we need, um, so it is going

1377
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:26,490
to come at the expense of a little

1378
00:53:26,490 --> 00:53:30,050
bit of slowness, but that doesn't mean like

1379
00:53:30,050 --> 00:53:32,230
the data has been aggregated.

1380
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:34,870
It just, it's going to take a little

1381
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:36,550
longer to get updated in the database.

1382
00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:37,030
Yeah.

1383
00:53:37,050 --> 00:53:37,430
Right.

1384
00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:37,670
Right.

1385
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:37,870
Right.

1386
00:53:37,870 --> 00:53:38,110
Right.

1387
00:53:38,110 --> 00:53:38,310
Right.

1388
00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:41,470
So, so that's the downside, but I, I

1389
00:53:41,470 --> 00:53:43,250
think the trade-off is worth it.

1390
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:46,490
Um, and I, and when I say slower,

1391
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:49,550
I don't mean like significantly slower.

1392
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:51,870
I mean, I'm talking about like the difference

1393
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:54,050
of a few minutes, right.

1394
00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:55,530
You know, versus a few seconds.

1395
00:53:56,230 --> 00:54:00,390
So if something shows up five minutes later,

1396
00:54:00,390 --> 00:54:02,410
then it would have under the current system.

1397
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:04,170
I think that's a, that's okay.

1398
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:04,990
That's acceptable.

1399
00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:07,650
There goes my pod ping pitch.

1400
00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:12,270
90 seconds, everybody.

1401
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:13,490
90 seconds.

1402
00:54:13,570 --> 00:54:17,610
Your podcast is updated, but you know, we

1403
00:54:17,610 --> 00:54:19,670
don't have to treat everything as equal also.

1404
00:54:19,870 --> 00:54:20,290
Ah, okay.

1405
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:23,610
No, no agenda show plus five plus five.

1406
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:23,790
Yeah.

1407
00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:24,070
Yeah.

1408
00:54:24,910 --> 00:54:28,690
Um, you know, so if certain things like

1409
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:34,210
live, live items, or we could have two

1410
00:54:34,210 --> 00:54:36,910
cues, you know, one, one for, uh, one

1411
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:39,870
for live, one for paying, one for paying

1412
00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:45,690
customers and one for the rest or more.

1413
00:54:45,830 --> 00:54:47,110
I mean, you can have as many cues

1414
00:54:47,110 --> 00:54:47,570
as you need.

1415
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:50,010
Like you can have, you know, a live

1416
00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:53,650
queue, a standard polling queue, and then a

1417
00:54:53,650 --> 00:54:54,250
pod ping queue.

1418
00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:57,670
So we can configure this however we need

1419
00:54:57,670 --> 00:55:00,050
to, but this overall, this is a better

1420
00:55:00,050 --> 00:55:00,710
architecture.

1421
00:55:01,450 --> 00:55:01,590
Yeah.

1422
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:04,610
And so I think phase one is build

1423
00:55:04,610 --> 00:55:10,140
the feed parser, uh, in such a way

1424
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:17,040
that it, um, will run and push things

1425
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,820
into our existing database.

1426
00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:24,800
And then, um, and then once we have

1427
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,680
that, we can look at potentially modifying, changing

1428
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,400
the database.

1429
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:34,160
If that's something that, that we all feel

1430
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,600
like is a good thing to do.

1431
00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:39,460
And, uh, you know, I'm fine.

1432
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,680
I'm, I will eat it.

1433
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:42,120
I will eat my discomfort.

1434
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:42,980
It's fine.

1435
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:45,960
So we can do, we could do that.

1436
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,460
And then I think phase three would be,

1437
00:55:49,460 --> 00:55:51,660
uh, build a new version of the API.

1438
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,400
And everybody has, everybody can, can take a

1439
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,260
hand in that and we can all build

1440
00:55:58,260 --> 00:56:00,020
a version two of the API together.

1441
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,740
What, uh, what improvements or what things are

1442
00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:03,880
you thinking about the API?

1443
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:07,740
Just more functionality, more different, different types of

1444
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:08,540
endpoints.

1445
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:09,460
Yeah.

1446
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,320
Faster.

1447
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:18,760
Um, the having some things that the index

1448
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,640
doesn't have now, like paging.

1449
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,060
Oh yeah.

1450
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:24,920
Paging is a big one.

1451
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:25,860
Yeah.

1452
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:30,520
So just, this is mostly, this is not

1453
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,340
so much because things don't work.

1454
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:40,320
This is more of, um, attempt to bring

1455
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,120
everybody on board, but in a way that

1456
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,600
they under, that they built it themselves.

1457
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,200
So they already know how to administer it.

1458
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:50,620
Ooh, I like that.

1459
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:54,080
And please put in hooks everywhere for my

1460
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:54,740
potty bot.

1461
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:56,260
Yes.

1462
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:59,460
Version two of the API will be potty

1463
00:56:59,460 --> 00:56:59,820
friendly.

1464
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:00,360
Yes.

1465
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,320
So the potty can go in and help

1466
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:02,580
you.

1467
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:03,600
One moment.

1468
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:04,060
Fully.

1469
00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:04,720
One moment.

1470
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,560
Let me check.

1471
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:07,940
Let me check that for you.

1472
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:11,320
Oh, it looks like you're in q5 deposit

1473
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,080
$100 in Bitcoin to move to the top

1474
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:15,680
of the stack.

1475
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,640
Thank you for using potty bot.

1476
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,240
It was an RBF that replaced by fee.

1477
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1478
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:22,700
Yeah.

1479
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,060
R I Q replacing Q.

1480
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:26,620
Yes.

1481
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,640
Uh, yeah.

1482
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,820
So everything, it'll be, it'll be fully potty

1483
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:31,200
trained.

1484
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,560
And, um, that's the second part of this

1485
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,560
is that everything in that repo right now

1486
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,000
was built with AI.

1487
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,340
I have not handwritten a single piece of

1488
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:47,180
code in that repo.

1489
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:47,780
Really?

1490
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:53,360
You using, uh, um, uh, what's that guy?

1491
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:54,740
His system.

1492
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,240
Who, uh, uh, Jason, Jason.

1493
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:58,580
Yeah.

1494
00:57:58,620 --> 00:58:01,640
Jason from podcast guru using his, uh, his,

1495
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,360
um, infrastructure setup.

1496
00:58:04,820 --> 00:58:09,440
I'm using his, um, his advice, but I'm

1497
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,080
using, um, jet brains.

1498
00:58:12,260 --> 00:58:14,360
They have a new thing called Juni.

1499
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,380
It's their LLM Juni meet potty.

1500
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:20,960
There's a perfect match.

1501
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,260
And so, uh, G Juni is integrated into

1502
00:58:26,260 --> 00:58:26,680
the ID.

1503
00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:29,140
And then you can just, uh, you can

1504
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:30,660
just tell it, it sees your whole project.

1505
00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:32,800
You can, you don't have to put everything

1506
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,380
in one file.

1507
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,020
So what has your experience been with Juni?

1508
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,200
Uh, I, I love it and hate it

1509
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,080
at the same time.

1510
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:43,100
Hmm.

1511
00:58:43,460 --> 00:58:47,980
I love the fact that I can, uh,

1512
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,340
have it do a bunch of the boilerplate

1513
00:58:51,340 --> 00:58:56,680
sort of drudgery code for me, but I,

1514
00:58:56,860 --> 00:59:01,240
I also despise the feeling that I don't

1515
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,700
understand what, what I just did.

1516
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:10,100
Like, I feel so mentally disconnected from the

1517
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:10,520
code.

1518
00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:15,160
Like you can, for instance, you can go,

1519
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,300
so, so somebody could clone this repo right

1520
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,900
now and you could get into, um, I'm

1521
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:22,060
just going to tell you from the, from

1522
00:59:22,060 --> 00:59:25,100
the jet brains perspective, you could get into,

1523
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:26,320
you can open up your jet brains.

1524
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:28,780
Idae a rust rover is what I use.

1525
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,940
You could open up rust rover, go into

1526
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:37,260
the Juni agent and say, um, and say,

1527
00:59:37,380 --> 00:59:43,040
add support to this, um, add support to

1528
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,760
this program for the podcast colon transcript tag.

1529
00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:53,720
And you'd be 95%.

1530
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,500
Probably it's going to work the first try.

1531
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:57,000
Wow.

1532
00:59:57,580 --> 00:59:59,420
It's really, really good.

1533
01:00:00,340 --> 01:00:02,960
But then you have no idea what it

1534
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,180
did.

1535
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:07,560
And you know, it works because it compiles

1536
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,180
and it gives you output, but then you

1537
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:10,840
have to go through there and figure out

1538
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:11,560
what it's doing.

1539
01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:12,000
Yeah.

1540
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,100
And because otherwise it's just this opaque.

1541
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:19,200
I do find that when I'm vibe coding,

1542
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,500
uh, it documents things very meticulously, which for

1543
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:25,680
me is like, Oh, okay.

1544
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,260
I see what this block is doing.

1545
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:28,520
I get what you're doing here.

1546
01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:30,680
I can, I can handle it when it's

1547
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:31,760
documented properly.

1548
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,280
And that's probably the having worked with developers

1549
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,160
for most of my professional life.

1550
01:00:36,220 --> 01:00:38,480
That's probably been the biggest bone of contention

1551
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,040
amongst developers as well.

1552
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,120
It's like, what do you do?

1553
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:44,200
Can't you document your code, document your code,

1554
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:44,540
man.

1555
01:00:45,460 --> 01:00:49,140
Oh, the worst experience with that I ever

1556
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:55,140
had was trying to modify, um, frontier, the

1557
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:56,580
compiled version of frontier.

1558
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,720
There was nothing, nothing, nothing documented.

1559
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:03,840
No, not a single comment in the entire

1560
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:04,400
code base.

1561
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,360
And I was like, every now and then

1562
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,040
you'd run into a slash slash DW and

1563
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:09,520
a date.

1564
01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:10,300
Yeah.

1565
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,880
You're like, thanks Dave Weiner.

1566
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,140
That doesn't help me.

1567
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,740
Um, so yes, it's doing a pretty good

1568
01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:17,980
job.

1569
01:01:18,020 --> 01:01:20,100
And I've also had to be explicit about,

1570
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,660
I will say add support for the iTunes

1571
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:29,360
colon block tag and document your changes in

1572
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:29,800
the code.

1573
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:31,440
I'll say something like that.

1574
01:01:31,540 --> 01:01:34,240
And it's pretty good about now.

1575
01:01:34,420 --> 01:01:38,060
And I want this thing to be LLM

1576
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:38,540
friendly.

1577
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:44,850
So that means people are welcome to, for

1578
01:01:44,850 --> 01:01:47,270
their, to, when they, when they submit PRs

1579
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:49,730
on this thing, they're welcome to just go

1580
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:53,090
nuts, use every AI tool, LLM tool, whatever

1581
01:01:53,090 --> 01:01:54,990
you want to use, because this is all,

1582
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:56,770
this all needs to fit into our lives.

1583
01:01:56,850 --> 01:01:59,530
This needs to be easy, easy on our

1584
01:01:59,530 --> 01:01:59,950
time.

1585
01:02:01,170 --> 01:02:04,970
And we can, this is another goal with

1586
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:07,470
this project is to, is for me to

1587
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:11,010
force myself to become comfortable with these tools.

1588
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:13,590
And the only way to do it is

1589
01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:14,130
to do it.

1590
01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:19,510
Uh, so, um, people are welcome to, to,

1591
01:02:19,650 --> 01:02:21,430
to change the, to make this code.

1592
01:02:21,730 --> 01:02:22,630
It's compilable.

1593
01:02:22,770 --> 01:02:24,130
You can download it, run it right now.

1594
01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:26,370
And, and it will work.

1595
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:29,570
There's sample, there are sample files in the

1596
01:02:29,570 --> 01:02:29,870
repo.

1597
01:02:30,210 --> 01:02:31,390
So there's two folders.

1598
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:33,290
There's a sample inputs folder and a sample

1599
01:02:33,290 --> 01:02:33,950
outputs folder.

1600
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:35,990
And you can see, you can take all

1601
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:37,570
the files from the sample inputs folder.

1602
01:02:37,570 --> 01:02:38,930
And those are just XML feeds.

1603
01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:41,610
You can, you can copy those over to

1604
01:02:41,610 --> 01:02:45,370
the inputs folder, cargo run to build and

1605
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:47,450
run the, the, the process.

1606
01:02:48,570 --> 01:02:52,210
And it should give you an outputs folder

1607
01:02:52,210 --> 01:02:54,510
full of JSON files.

1608
01:02:54,730 --> 01:02:57,810
Now you, what IDE are you using just

1609
01:02:57,810 --> 01:02:58,610
out of curiosity?

1610
01:02:59,110 --> 01:03:00,730
Uh, it's called Rust Rover.

1611
01:03:01,770 --> 01:03:01,870
Okay.

1612
01:03:02,090 --> 01:03:02,210
Yeah.

1613
01:03:02,210 --> 01:03:03,150
It's from JetBrains.

1614
01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:07,150
And, uh, it's, I will have, I have

1615
01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:08,870
to say, I have not used a whole

1616
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:11,730
ton of them, but as far as like

1617
01:03:11,730 --> 01:03:14,110
the way I like to work, having this

1618
01:03:14,850 --> 01:03:17,410
LLM agent, like baked right into the IDE

1619
01:03:17,410 --> 01:03:19,530
is pretty rad.

1620
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:23,030
Uh, it, it feels really nice to just

1621
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:29,750
say, um, you know, go, um, like build

1622
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:31,730
a new module for blah, blah, blah.

1623
01:03:32,070 --> 01:03:34,170
And it will create the file for you.

1624
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:35,770
It'll take, you know, put your class in

1625
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:36,670
and all this kind of stuff.

1626
01:03:38,110 --> 01:03:41,030
Like it re having, having the agent have

1627
01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:45,750
control of your IDE feels like finally the

1628
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:47,210
way that it makes sense to me to

1629
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:47,570
work.

1630
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:58,230
Um, now the, the one thing I wish

1631
01:03:58,230 --> 01:04:00,810
it did, and it may do this, but

1632
01:04:00,810 --> 01:04:04,530
I just haven't seen it yet.

1633
01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:08,710
And, and I'm still new at this is

1634
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:11,650
I w I do wish that it would

1635
01:04:11,650 --> 01:04:13,970
give that there are some way to have

1636
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:22,160
the get commits also include the prompts that

1637
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,080
were used to create the code.

1638
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,100
So like, because like I said, I've not

1639
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:33,480
written, I have not handwritten a single part

1640
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,040
of this yet.

1641
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,080
I just know what I want and I

1642
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,040
know how Rust works.

1643
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:39,640
And so it's, it's easy for me to

1644
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,720
tell it what to do.

1645
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,660
Um, but, and I can tell if it's

1646
01:04:43,660 --> 01:04:47,360
doing it in, in, in the right way,

1647
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,580
because I already know what it's supposed to

1648
01:04:50,580 --> 01:04:51,480
kind of look like.

1649
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,540
So I can say something like, um, you

1650
01:04:54,540 --> 01:04:56,460
know, the, the initial version of this was,

1651
01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:59,080
I was just, I just started, you know,

1652
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,380
saying what I wanted, you know, create a,

1653
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,980
uh, create a process that opens each file

1654
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:05,840
in the inputs folder.

1655
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:08,160
Uh, these files have this format.

1656
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,200
I want it to be parsed with this

1657
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,820
part, with this, uh, crate and the outputs

1658
01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:15,240
stream to this other file.

1659
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,900
I just started describing and it was slowly

1660
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:17,680
building this thing.

1661
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:20,300
And at one point I said, okay, now,

1662
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:24,940
now modify this, uh, the current code to

1663
01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:27,820
be a, to, uh, process the files asynchronously

1664
01:05:27,820 --> 01:05:30,040
and it rearranged all the code, made it

1665
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,720
all, made it all async await and, and

1666
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,000
all that went fine.

1667
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,360
But it really would be a, a nice

1668
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,720
thing to have is a track record of

1669
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,080
all the prompts that I used.

1670
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,660
And as we go forward, if somebody adds

1671
01:05:43,660 --> 01:05:45,640
support for something, it would be great to

1672
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,880
have those prompts in a, in a place

1673
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:48,880
where we can find them.

1674
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:49,340
Sure.

1675
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:49,880
Sure.

1676
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,580
And so I just haven't explored that part

1677
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:53,980
yet.

1678
01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:55,780
So I don't know if that's something that's

1679
01:05:55,780 --> 01:05:56,780
easy to do or not.

1680
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,900
Um, cause I would like everybody else to,

1681
01:05:59,980 --> 01:06:02,120
to build this with LLMs as well.

1682
01:06:02,260 --> 01:06:04,440
Let's, let's just try to, let's try to

1683
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:05,520
do something crazy here.

1684
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:07,860
Um, I love it.

1685
01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:09,200
I love it.

1686
01:06:10,180 --> 01:06:10,860
Sounds good.

1687
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,100
This could be the, this could be the

1688
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:13,460
first crack at it.

1689
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,100
And then if this goes well, uh, and

1690
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:22,780
people are contributing code, um, and it's building

1691
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:26,460
and it's, and it's, it's working, then, um,

1692
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,820
yeah, that we just go into the next,

1693
01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:30,540
go into the next step and just start

1694
01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:31,940
building these pieces one by one.

1695
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,640
And, and you know, the, the thing that

1696
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,900
gets you with all RSS aggregators is the

1697
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:39,640
edge cases.

1698
01:06:39,820 --> 01:06:40,560
Of course.

1699
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,480
And those are well documented in your brain.

1700
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:47,040
And in party time.

1701
01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:51,620
So we can, we can go through and

1702
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:57,900
sort of pre, uh, pre pre, but we

1703
01:06:57,900 --> 01:06:59,920
can kind of like save ourself from the

1704
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,780
broken stuff ahead of time, you know?

1705
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,460
So we don't have to build it and

1706
01:07:04,460 --> 01:07:06,020
wait for everything to break again and then

1707
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:08,320
fix 25 different things we've already fixed before.

1708
01:07:08,860 --> 01:07:08,960
Right.

1709
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:10,920
Um, but you have to go through that,

1710
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:11,860
you know, we just, we just have to

1711
01:07:11,860 --> 01:07:14,480
go through and that'll be something to do

1712
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,800
for me as I go through the party

1713
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,860
time code and look and say, okay, here's

1714
01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:23,540
where I made a, uh, special workaround for

1715
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:24,720
this edge case.

1716
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:25,860
Here's where I did this edge case.

1717
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,040
And we can document that.

1718
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,460
And then yeah, exactly.

1719
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,180
Chat pre pre break it and then, uh,

1720
01:07:32,420 --> 01:07:34,020
and then fix it before it bites us.

1721
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:35,500
So I don't know.

1722
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:36,200
We'll see how this goes.

1723
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:36,620
I love it.

1724
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,860
No, I think it's a great idea.

1725
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,280
I'm a, I'm installing a jet brains pie

1726
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,140
charm as we speak for myself.

1727
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,400
Pie charm is a great tool.

1728
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,620
I think that's what Alex uses.

1729
01:07:49,860 --> 01:07:52,000
Well, it's time for me to get into

1730
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:52,560
an IDE.

1731
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:54,880
You, you need to graduate.

1732
01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:55,260
Yeah.

1733
01:07:55,380 --> 01:07:56,620
You need to have an Yeah.

1734
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,800
I've been resisting it, but I don't like

1735
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,300
the feeling of being mentally disconnected from the

1736
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:04,440
code.

1737
01:08:04,540 --> 01:08:08,440
I don't like, I compare that to Godcaster

1738
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,280
and podcast index code where I'm, I may

1739
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,440
not remember exactly what the code does, but

1740
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,359
I have a mental picture all the time

1741
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:16,960
of where every single thing is.

1742
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:18,180
Of course, of course.

1743
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,859
I know exactly what it's doing and how

1744
01:08:19,859 --> 01:08:20,359
it works.

1745
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,260
And so I can usually go to that

1746
01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:25,120
code within, you know, 10 seconds.

1747
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:26,000
Right.

1748
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,720
Have an idea of what the problem is.

1749
01:08:27,979 --> 01:08:28,079
Yeah.

1750
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,899
And good logs, good logs, good logs is

1751
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:31,600
a good thing.

1752
01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:32,560
Yes.

1753
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:33,520
Lots of logs.

1754
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:33,800
Yeah.

1755
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,040
And so I don't like that feeling.

1756
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:42,399
It's, it's very, uh, it, it feels like

1757
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:46,000
wearing glasses and somebody's kind of smeared vaseline

1758
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:46,740
all over them.

1759
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,700
Uh, looking through a glass darkly.

1760
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:50,120
Yeah.

1761
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,800
Yes, yes, exactly.

1762
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:57,200
And that's not a great feeling, but I,

1763
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,120
I mean, I don't know, maybe, maybe at

1764
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,819
some point you can, you can go through

1765
01:09:04,819 --> 01:09:11,229
and, and have the LLM comment things out

1766
01:09:11,229 --> 01:09:12,770
in such a way where it's clear.

1767
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:13,510
I don't know.

1768
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:14,670
I'm going to have to, I'm going to

1769
01:09:14,670 --> 01:09:16,310
have to tackle this problem at some point

1770
01:09:16,310 --> 01:09:19,330
for my own sanity, but it is working.

1771
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:21,149
Love it.

1772
01:09:21,310 --> 01:09:23,210
I think it's a really good idea, Dave.

1773
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:27,090
And isn't that, isn't that really the world

1774
01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:28,430
we live in now with LLMs?

1775
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:29,790
It's like, well, it's working.

1776
01:09:32,170 --> 01:09:32,870
What's it doing?

1777
01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:34,649
I don't know, but it works.

1778
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:36,970
Yes, it's true.

1779
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:38,130
That's true.

1780
01:09:38,270 --> 01:09:40,250
But I, I have a pretty good idea

1781
01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:40,890
what I've built.

1782
01:09:41,850 --> 01:09:42,290
Yeah.

1783
01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:45,430
Um, but when it, cause you know, I,

1784
01:09:45,529 --> 01:09:47,630
I'm not yet, I haven't graduated yet.

1785
01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:49,550
So I'm just, here's one big file, 4

1786
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:50,310
,000 lines.

1787
01:09:50,529 --> 01:09:50,870
Enjoy.

1788
01:09:51,870 --> 01:09:54,950
And then it'll fix the problem, but then

1789
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:55,870
something else happens.

1790
01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:57,430
Like what did you do?

1791
01:09:58,690 --> 01:10:00,570
Then it won't tell me until I say,

1792
01:10:00,630 --> 01:10:01,430
Hey, this is broken.

1793
01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:02,070
Oh yes.

1794
01:10:02,090 --> 01:10:02,530
You're right.

1795
01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:03,270
Good catch.

1796
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:07,550
Oh, that's see, that's interesting.

1797
01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:07,950
Okay.

1798
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:09,230
It's interesting to hear you say this because

1799
01:10:09,670 --> 01:10:11,070
like, if I wanted to know what it

1800
01:10:11,070 --> 01:10:13,850
did, I would just do a diff and

1801
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:16,370
then I could see, but, but you're not

1802
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:18,710
thinking of it in the code terms.

1803
01:10:18,710 --> 01:10:19,310
I'm lame.

1804
01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:24,250
Could you, could you do, could you say,

1805
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:26,230
make a, uh, make a diff and then

1806
01:10:26,230 --> 01:10:26,730
explain it?

1807
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:28,210
Well, I can, I can do a diff.

1808
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:29,850
I mean, I never, I never even thought

1809
01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:30,550
of doing that.

1810
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:31,310
Honestly.

1811
01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:33,590
I was like, but if you had it

1812
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:37,430
explained the diff, like, Oh yeah, but yes,

1813
01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:39,250
but the point is, is like, I'm not

1814
01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:40,750
expecting it to do anything.

1815
01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:42,110
It runs.

1816
01:10:42,690 --> 01:10:46,090
And then I'd find later, Oh, this thing

1817
01:10:46,090 --> 01:10:46,490
broke.

1818
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:50,450
And then, then now you're into iteration mode.

1819
01:10:50,610 --> 01:10:52,390
Well, go back and fix that, but leave

1820
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:52,670
this.

1821
01:10:52,710 --> 01:10:53,910
And then something else breaks.

1822
01:10:54,030 --> 01:10:55,570
Now that you might as well just start

1823
01:10:55,570 --> 01:10:58,490
a new session, paste the code in, start

1824
01:10:58,490 --> 01:11:01,590
over and it'll fix it within five seconds.

1825
01:11:02,510 --> 01:11:05,190
If it's, if it's in its context window

1826
01:11:05,190 --> 01:11:07,450
to get so confused after a while, all

1827
01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:09,830
of them, all of them have the same

1828
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:12,430
problem, but you can take something that's broken

1829
01:11:12,430 --> 01:11:14,990
in grok, put into Chad GPT and Chad

1830
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:16,470
GPT says, Oh, you were almost there.

1831
01:11:16,530 --> 01:11:16,630
Here.

1832
01:11:16,670 --> 01:11:17,290
I fixed it.

1833
01:11:20,010 --> 01:11:23,010
This is really, it's really messed up.

1834
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:29,190
I know people love cursor Daniel and Eric.

1835
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:30,970
I know people love cursor a lot.

1836
01:11:31,090 --> 01:11:33,830
I just, I've been in jet brains world

1837
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:35,970
for, for, for a decade.

1838
01:11:36,170 --> 01:11:38,890
And I just, it's how I think I

1839
01:11:38,890 --> 01:11:40,410
don't want to change IDEs.

1840
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:43,190
I can't, I'm just too stuck, man.

1841
01:11:43,570 --> 01:11:45,150
I'm too stuck having to learn two things.

1842
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:47,990
This is always the problem with, I think

1843
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:51,610
anything in it, developers developing or, or says,

1844
01:11:51,710 --> 01:11:53,230
I mean, if you have to learn two

1845
01:11:53,230 --> 01:11:54,730
things at the same time is too much.

1846
01:11:55,070 --> 01:11:55,170
Yeah.

1847
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:58,150
You really need to do one thing at

1848
01:11:58,150 --> 01:12:01,990
a time and, and learning this, learning how

1849
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:03,030
this stuff is working.

1850
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:04,250
That is enough for me.

1851
01:12:05,550 --> 01:12:08,530
You know, I'll, I may tackle some, you

1852
01:12:08,530 --> 01:12:13,830
know, something like that later, but yeah, we'll,

1853
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:15,650
we'll, we'll see how this goes.

1854
01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:19,010
Um, let me see, where are we at

1855
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:19,630
time-wise?

1856
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:20,530
We got a few more minutes.

1857
01:12:20,850 --> 01:12:25,030
Um, did I see that, um, our boy,

1858
01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:31,910
uh, Spurlock, he is, uh, um, basically filtering

1859
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:34,750
out TTS podcasts on OP3.

1860
01:12:37,570 --> 01:12:38,530
TTS podcast.

1861
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:38,890
Yeah.

1862
01:12:38,910 --> 01:12:39,650
It took me a second.

1863
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:42,110
I'm pretty sure that stands for text to

1864
01:12:42,110 --> 01:12:42,590
speech.

1865
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:45,770
As in AI.

1866
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:47,850
Yeah.

1867
01:12:48,490 --> 01:12:51,150
He says there's been a deluge of TTS

1868
01:12:51,150 --> 01:12:51,870
podcasts.

1869
01:12:52,210 --> 01:12:54,030
And unless that's some kind of network I'm

1870
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:56,510
unaware of, I'm thinking it's a text to

1871
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:56,850
speech.

1872
01:12:58,870 --> 01:13:02,500
Um, I don't know.

1873
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:04,020
I'm at where, where did he post this

1874
01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:05,120
on podcast index social?

1875
01:13:05,260 --> 01:13:05,540
Yeah.

1876
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:06,400
Yeah, he did.

1877
01:13:06,740 --> 01:13:07,360
It's today.

1878
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:13,080
I'm looking right now.

1879
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,500
I'm curious what that means.

1880
01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:17,120
Uh, let's see.

1881
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:24,530
Uh, C to C top CDN.

1882
01:13:24,610 --> 01:13:24,890
Oh yeah.

1883
01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:29,010
Mass mass produced TTS podcasts.

1884
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:31,970
Love DAI, especially for gambling ads here in

1885
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:32,430
New Jersey.

1886
01:13:32,650 --> 01:13:34,730
And they all seem to use gotta be

1887
01:13:34,730 --> 01:13:34,890
it.

1888
01:13:34,930 --> 01:13:35,890
That's gotta be it.

1889
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:39,070
New data updated my ranking of the top

1890
01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:42,050
third party analysts or share of new episodes

1891
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:44,350
measured by number one pod track down main

1892
01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:46,730
do mainly to my better filtering of TTS

1893
01:13:46,730 --> 01:13:47,730
podcasts.

1894
01:13:50,710 --> 01:13:51,670
TTS podcast.

1895
01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:53,870
I'm pretty sure it's gotta be text to

1896
01:13:53,870 --> 01:13:54,230
speech.

1897
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:57,350
Yeah.

1898
01:13:57,370 --> 01:14:02,850
But what in what, well, of what, what

1899
01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:04,130
is the text coming from?

1900
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:06,170
Oh, no, it's just a, that's just his,

1901
01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:08,750
his version of saying these are AI podcasts.

1902
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:12,790
Oh, Oh, is that just, is that just

1903
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:13,810
a euphemism for AI?

1904
01:14:13,810 --> 01:14:14,590
I think so.

1905
01:14:14,770 --> 01:14:14,950
Yeah.

1906
01:14:15,050 --> 01:14:17,770
That, that was kind of my question.

1907
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:18,830
Yeah.

1908
01:14:18,910 --> 01:14:20,990
Mass produced TTS podcasts.

1909
01:14:22,770 --> 01:14:25,130
So I want an example of what those

1910
01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:25,310
are.

1911
01:14:25,330 --> 01:14:28,050
Cause I mean like certain, if it's, if

1912
01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:31,970
there's certain things that qualify as like legitimate

1913
01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:33,710
garbage, I will take them out of the

1914
01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:34,170
index.

1915
01:14:34,690 --> 01:14:36,910
I mean, if it's just, if it's just

1916
01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:41,170
like episodes of, of some bot reading the

1917
01:14:41,170 --> 01:14:45,390
phone book, like that's here it is under,

1918
01:14:45,390 --> 01:14:49,350
under his a live wire update, November, 2025

1919
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:53,270
TTS podcasts, which is not Tourette's syndrome.

1920
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:54,550
That's what I thought first.

1921
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:55,250
Like, wow, cool.

1922
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:56,310
I need to be in that group.

1923
01:14:56,550 --> 01:15:01,350
Turbo Tourette's there's been a recent market market

1924
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:04,090
increase in the number of podcasts across multiple

1925
01:15:04,090 --> 01:15:06,450
hosting companies that are completely generated by text

1926
01:15:06,450 --> 01:15:07,310
to speech engines.

1927
01:15:07,530 --> 01:15:11,030
Known TTS podcasts are observed, but excluded from

1928
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:12,890
this analysis as they are not a reflection

1929
01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:15,230
of the health of the podcasting world in

1930
01:15:15,230 --> 01:15:16,390
terms of human output.

1931
01:15:17,090 --> 01:15:19,190
Filtering these out is a significant amount of

1932
01:15:19,190 --> 01:15:19,410
work.

1933
01:15:19,470 --> 01:15:21,550
And I thought about stopping this monthly analysis

1934
01:15:21,550 --> 01:15:25,250
altogether or making it paywalled or charging and

1935
01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:26,590
changing the metric entirely.

1936
01:15:26,770 --> 01:15:28,510
But ultimately I want these numbers to be

1937
01:15:28,510 --> 01:15:30,490
available to everyone to be as consistent and

1938
01:15:30,490 --> 01:15:31,890
as regular as possible over time.

1939
01:15:31,890 --> 01:15:34,390
You'll notice a one-time drop in pod

1940
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:36,630
track share in November, since most of these

1941
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:40,390
generated TTS podcasts tried to monetize by ad

1942
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:43,130
insertion and use pod track to measure performance.

1943
01:15:43,970 --> 01:15:44,990
How about that?

1944
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:47,540
Okay.

1945
01:15:48,380 --> 01:15:50,560
So this is interesting.

1946
01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:53,460
So would that be inception point?

1947
01:15:55,460 --> 01:15:55,900
Yeah.

1948
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:56,280
I don't know.

1949
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,960
Is that, is it that type of stuff?

1950
01:15:58,460 --> 01:16:00,080
Yes, I believe so.

1951
01:16:00,580 --> 01:16:02,560
I think that's exactly what he's talking about.

1952
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:03,980
Here's some inception.

1953
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:05,560
Here's bass fishing daily.

1954
01:16:06,140 --> 01:16:06,700
Yes.

1955
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,940
I think that's definitely one of them.

1956
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:09,380
Yeah.

1957
01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:12,420
With 12 year old Wyoming angler lands world

1958
01:16:12,420 --> 01:16:14,520
record large mouth on tungsten jig.

1959
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:16,220
Okay.

1960
01:16:16,220 --> 01:16:17,980
So let me go into the feed and

1961
01:16:17,980 --> 01:16:18,960
see if it's pod track.

1962
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:22,840
Where's the enclosure?

1963
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:24,900
Oh yeah.

1964
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:25,200
Yeah.

1965
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:25,720
That's pod track.

1966
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:27,320
Yeah.

1967
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:28,280
Okay.

1968
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,540
So I wonder how he's filtering these.

1969
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,020
I wonder what he said.

1970
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,220
It's a significant amount of work.

1971
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:36,160
I wonder if he's having to use some

1972
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,240
sort of heuristics or something.

1973
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:42,050
Yeah.

1974
01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:43,830
I want to talk to him about this.

1975
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:49,240
Cause if, I mean, if, if we're going

1976
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,860
to be, if we're, if we're collectively saying

1977
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,420
that these things need to be filtered out

1978
01:16:56,420 --> 01:16:57,580
of things like stats.

1979
01:16:57,860 --> 01:16:59,500
Well, I think he's saying it very clearly

1980
01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:00,260
for himself.

1981
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,560
Cause he's looking at the health of human

1982
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,380
-based, uh, podcasting.

1983
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:08,240
Yeah.

1984
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,260
Do we need to filter these for real?

1985
01:17:11,620 --> 01:17:12,420
I don't think so.

1986
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,600
I don't think so at all.

1987
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,940
So you think this is something specifically to

1988
01:17:17,940 --> 01:17:18,240
him?

1989
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:18,960
Yeah.

1990
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:20,680
He just, what he's wanting.

1991
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,200
Yeah.

1992
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,000
He says, I just want to show the

1993
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,780
health of human-based podcasting and that's why

1994
01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:26,740
he's excluding them.

1995
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,200
But I don't think that makes any of

1996
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,680
these podcasts invalid.

1997
01:17:33,180 --> 01:17:34,800
No, no, I don't think so.

1998
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,920
I mean, we're literally talking about writing code

1999
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,720
with AI, like, Oh, I'm sorry.

2000
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:40,120
We can't, that's, you know what I mean?

2001
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,140
It's like, it is what it is.

2002
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,720
I'm, I'm, I'm a lot less, I find

2003
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,720
that a lot less problematic than other things

2004
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:48,880
taking place in the world.

2005
01:17:50,660 --> 01:17:51,440
For sure.

2006
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:51,980
For sure.

2007
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:57,100
I'm, I've been going around and around about

2008
01:17:57,100 --> 01:17:59,320
this kind of thing in my mind for,

2009
01:18:01,310 --> 01:18:02,950
for a long time now.

2010
01:18:03,150 --> 01:18:08,150
And, and I don't, so it comes down,

2011
01:18:08,410 --> 01:18:12,170
so many people are troubled by, by AI

2012
01:18:12,170 --> 01:18:19,230
and it's, it's hard to determine like the

2013
01:18:19,230 --> 01:18:26,510
actual arguments for and against the for AI

2014
01:18:26,510 --> 01:18:28,670
are, are, are easy.

2015
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:32,590
They're sort of like the Fisher price version

2016
01:18:32,590 --> 01:18:34,550
of, of rhetoric.

2017
01:18:36,430 --> 01:18:37,230
It's easy.

2018
01:18:37,290 --> 01:18:39,390
It's like, Oh, it makes, you know, helps

2019
01:18:39,390 --> 01:18:41,530
me do something I couldn't do before this

2020
01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:41,730
way.

2021
01:18:41,730 --> 01:18:43,270
It's, it's cheaper because blah, blah, blah.

2022
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:46,330
I mean, they're just, they're just, they're effortless

2023
01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:46,810
arguments.

2024
01:18:47,490 --> 01:18:49,290
I'm not interested in those arguments.

2025
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:55,750
I'm more interested in arguments against AI generated

2026
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:58,870
content, not because I'm trying to find a

2027
01:18:58,870 --> 01:19:04,030
reason not to like it or, or it's

2028
01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:06,310
not a, there's not a bias there.

2029
01:19:07,150 --> 01:19:12,730
I'm just interested in good arguments.

2030
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:18,880
I'm interested whether, let me see how to

2031
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,800
explain, how to sort of phrase this.

2032
01:19:23,410 --> 01:19:31,520
It's always interesting to me to explore ideas

2033
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,000
where you can't really put your finger on

2034
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,040
a good argument against it.

2035
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:45,120
And what I mean is like, uh, every

2036
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,180
argument you come up with, you sort of

2037
01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:49,480
talk yourself out of it.

2038
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:54,500
You're like, you're like, well, but I could

2039
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:55,860
see it going the other way.

2040
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:58,080
And you're like, you're like, Oh, you're like,

2041
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,080
okay, well, AI generated kind of, you know,

2042
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,420
AI takes away.

2043
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:03,480
It's a threat to people's jobs.

2044
01:20:03,540 --> 01:20:06,540
And then you're like, well, it is it,

2045
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:07,720
it's not really.

2046
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:10,780
And you're like, okay, well, AI content is,

2047
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,300
um, it's filling up the web with, with

2048
01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:14,680
crap.

2049
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,780
And you're like, well, well, but is it

2050
01:20:16,780 --> 01:20:17,140
really?

2051
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:17,740
Yeah.

2052
01:20:17,780 --> 01:20:19,540
The web is the web is crap.

2053
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,660
I mean, yeah.

2054
01:20:21,460 --> 01:20:24,600
Listen, half the news reports, if you, I

2055
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,920
watch Euro news and I watch Africa news

2056
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,640
and I watch, um, Deutsche Welle and France

2057
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:35,460
24 and I hear AI voices all the

2058
01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:37,740
time, all the time.

2059
01:20:37,740 --> 01:20:39,680
Like where do we draw the line?

2060
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,820
I mean, I've built entire radio stations for

2061
01:20:42,820 --> 01:20:44,760
customers with AI voices.

2062
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:50,540
Doesn't invalidate it, you know, now the scammy

2063
01:20:50,540 --> 01:20:54,400
part is, I mean, just, I hate dynamically

2064
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:55,640
inserted ads in general.

2065
01:20:55,660 --> 01:20:56,920
I just think it's crap.

2066
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,520
Half of them I get over here in

2067
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,000
Spanish, like, Oh, Oh, he's in Texas.

2068
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,720
Must be, must be a Spanish guy.

2069
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:06,380
You know, I was like that, this it's,

2070
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:08,500
there's all kinds of, and it's not relevant.

2071
01:21:08,580 --> 01:21:13,140
It's always gambling, you know, or tequila talk

2072
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:13,940
about racist.

2073
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:18,440
Yeah.

2074
01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:23,120
And that's, that's kind of where I'm, that's

2075
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,480
kind of where I'm getting at is you,

2076
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:31,060
for all these, for all these arguments, you

2077
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:34,740
kind of already see that, that there was

2078
01:21:34,740 --> 01:21:37,560
something there that pre-existed the AI that

2079
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,080
was already a problem and the AI is

2080
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,680
just accelerating it.

2081
01:21:43,340 --> 01:21:44,980
It's, it's an accelerant.

2082
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:45,960
Yeah.

2083
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:50,460
It's a, it's a, it's a garbage accelerant.

2084
01:21:51,460 --> 01:21:54,320
It doesn't, you know, and, and I, you,

2085
01:21:54,580 --> 01:21:56,720
you sort of, I'm just sort of groping

2086
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,380
in the dark for a, for a sort

2087
01:22:01,380 --> 01:22:06,980
of like, understand, like a, a, a theory

2088
01:22:06,980 --> 01:22:09,180
of the way this, what this stuff means.

2089
01:22:09,180 --> 01:22:10,560
And I think, I think, I mean, I'm

2090
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:11,000
not alone.

2091
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,440
We all are in a way we're all

2092
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:15,620
trying to, trying to understand this.

2093
01:22:16,460 --> 01:22:18,420
And like you said, you've, I mean, you've,

2094
01:22:18,460 --> 01:22:19,540
you've built stuff.

2095
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:20,320
That's amazing.

2096
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:26,560
And, and I don't, yeah, it's just, it's

2097
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:27,940
like, it's a curious thing.

2098
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,240
I really have been kind of like, I

2099
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,340
walk a lot and, you know, during the

2100
01:22:33,340 --> 01:22:34,940
day and get up from my desk and

2101
01:22:34,940 --> 01:22:37,680
walk around and almost every time that I

2102
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,160
walk around for a while, I think about

2103
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:40,420
this topic for a while.

2104
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:46,720
I think, I'm not a huge, what's that

2105
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:47,240
guy's name?

2106
01:22:48,860 --> 01:22:51,100
The guy with the big, the big fat

2107
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:51,980
rim glasses.

2108
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:55,000
Wow.

2109
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:55,520
Okay.

2110
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,580
Prognosticator or whatever.

2111
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,500
You know, you know, the insidification guy.

2112
01:23:02,380 --> 01:23:02,940
Oh, oh.

2113
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,980
I'm totally drawing a blank here.

2114
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:05,460
Yeah.

2115
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:07,500
Cory.

2116
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:10,380
Cory Doctorow.

2117
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:11,400
Cory Doctorow.

2118
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:11,680
Yes.

2119
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:12,420
Cory Doctorow.

2120
01:23:12,460 --> 01:23:12,720
Yes.

2121
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:13,160
Yeah.

2122
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:14,680
I mean, I'm not a huge Cory Doctorow

2123
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:14,900
fan.

2124
01:23:14,980 --> 01:23:15,900
I like some of his stuff.

2125
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,080
I think he's a little bit nuts on

2126
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,160
some other stuff, but you know, but he

2127
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:24,000
does have, but he's, you know, we can

2128
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,100
learn something from everybody.

2129
01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:26,600
And I think he does have good ideas

2130
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,340
in some, in, in some really important areas.

2131
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,380
And this is, this is one of them.

2132
01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:38,580
And he wrote a good article today, actually.

2133
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,300
It's, well, it's actually not an article.

2134
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:43,800
It's a transcript of a speech he gave

2135
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,560
yesterday at the University of Washington, where he,

2136
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:54,480
he calls AI the, let's see, what's it

2137
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:54,660
called?

2138
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,000
What's the, what's the thing that's like a

2139
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,120
horse with a human torso?

2140
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:03,020
A unicorn?

2141
01:24:04,220 --> 01:24:04,820
No.

2142
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,040
Man, bear, pig.

2143
01:24:09,860 --> 01:24:11,220
Yeah, yeah, no.

2144
01:24:11,740 --> 01:24:13,760
I know exactly what you're talking about.

2145
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,880
I know exactly what you're talking about.

2146
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:16,700
Yeah, I can't remember the name of it.

2147
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,640
Plural, here it is, pluralistic.

2148
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:21,180
I'll try, let me link real quick and

2149
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:22,120
I'll drop it in the boardroom.

2150
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,100
The reverse is centaur.

2151
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:24,640
Centaur.

2152
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:25,340
Centaur.

2153
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:27,520
He called AI the reverse centaur.

2154
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,320
Yes.

2155
01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:30,920
And what he's saying is a centaur is

2156
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:36,260
something that is like a, a centaur in

2157
01:24:36,260 --> 01:24:38,360
technology terms would be like a human that's

2158
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:39,720
driving some sort of machine.

2159
01:24:40,460 --> 01:24:42,380
The human is in control, so it'd be

2160
01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:43,440
a little sort of like a machine with

2161
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:44,220
a human head.

2162
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:45,100
Yeah.

2163
01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:48,560
And AI is like a human with a

2164
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:49,280
machine head.

2165
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:50,220
Yeah.

2166
01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:52,800
Which I thought was a very good analogy.

2167
01:24:54,020 --> 01:24:56,380
So it's, it's more like you have flipped

2168
01:24:56,380 --> 01:24:57,100
the script.

2169
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,420
It's like the machine is, is, is in

2170
01:25:01,420 --> 01:25:03,740
charge and you're just sort of like walking

2171
01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:05,980
around with this thing on your head.

2172
01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:08,980
And that's what it, that, I think that

2173
01:25:08,980 --> 01:25:11,160
kind of goes back to my discomfort with

2174
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,760
this code that I'm generating that I don't

2175
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,280
understand is, is I feel like I've had,

2176
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:19,880
I felt like I have like a machine

2177
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:20,980
on my head.

2178
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,700
I feel you brother.

2179
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:23,480
I feel you.

2180
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:28,520
And I think, so there is a, this

2181
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:29,600
is a long-winded way.

2182
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,440
And if, if I'm nothing else, I'm long

2183
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:31,920
-winded.

2184
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,680
There is, this is a long-winded way

2185
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,020
of saying, I think there is a, there

2186
01:25:39,020 --> 01:25:43,280
is a legitimate core here that is causing

2187
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,780
a discomfort.

2188
01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:49,360
And it's something that we should not dismiss

2189
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:50,720
and we should take seriously.

2190
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,140
I just think that we don't exactly fully

2191
01:25:54,140 --> 01:25:55,700
know how to explain it yet.

2192
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,660
And it will become evident over time.

2193
01:26:01,740 --> 01:26:05,200
You know, as we go forward into whatever

2194
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:11,500
this thing is, I think that it's just

2195
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:12,440
not clear yet.

2196
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,020
And this is, this is the way of

2197
01:26:14,020 --> 01:26:15,100
the world with technology.

2198
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,120
Technology does this to us all the time.

2199
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:21,620
It makes us uncomfortable.

2200
01:26:21,980 --> 01:26:24,760
And sometimes it takes years to understand it,

2201
01:26:25,340 --> 01:26:27,960
to understand why and to see what happened.

2202
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,880
And, and we now like, you know, we

2203
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,780
were, we now know that, that this, you

2204
01:26:36,780 --> 01:26:40,060
know, square, this rectangle in our pocket is

2205
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:41,120
a horrible device.

2206
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,660
It's caused so much, you know, so much

2207
01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:50,600
emotional harm to people.

2208
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,820
And it's, it's, it's a, it's putting your,

2209
01:26:53,820 --> 01:26:55,240
putting the internet in your pocket was a

2210
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,280
terrible idea, you know, in so many ways.

2211
01:26:59,660 --> 01:27:00,900
Worst idea ever.

2212
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:01,900
Dumpster fire.

2213
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:03,700
Yeah.

2214
01:27:04,540 --> 01:27:06,620
But then, you know, but, but it takes

2215
01:27:06,620 --> 01:27:08,780
a long, it took us 10 years to

2216
01:27:08,780 --> 01:27:09,640
understand that.

2217
01:27:10,780 --> 01:27:12,520
And this is, it'll be the same way

2218
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:12,840
with this.

2219
01:27:12,860 --> 01:27:13,900
It's going to take, it's going to take

2220
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:15,340
a while, but I did, but there is,

2221
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,840
just because you can't explain why right this

2222
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,560
second doesn't mean that it's not there.

2223
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:25,120
Yeah.

2224
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,520
Let's thank some people, Dave, so you can

2225
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,880
get back to your busy job.

2226
01:27:30,660 --> 01:27:31,320
All right.

2227
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:34,360
Didn't mean to bring you down.

2228
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:35,360
I got to find my paper.

2229
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:35,700
Yeah.

2230
01:27:35,740 --> 01:27:36,740
You find your paper.

2231
01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:38,880
Not a lot of a boost coming in

2232
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,580
during, uh, during this board meeting, but that's

2233
01:27:41,580 --> 01:27:41,740
okay.

2234
01:27:41,780 --> 01:27:44,700
I think everyone was enthralled with, uh, the

2235
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:45,540
content of it.

2236
01:27:45,940 --> 01:27:47,680
Salty crayon, triple five.

2237
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,300
That's a row of swans.

2238
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:51,080
He says, welcome back, Dave.

2239
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:52,680
Howdy devs of fountain.

2240
01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:55,420
Since we were never asked, since we never

2241
01:27:55,420 --> 01:27:58,760
asked for video, can you please flip fix

2242
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,420
the flipping chapters that continue to show the

2243
01:28:01,420 --> 01:28:04,140
same artwork across the entire music episodes?

2244
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:07,540
Sincerely with a cherry on top, v4vmusic.com

2245
01:28:07,540 --> 01:28:09,080
for a better, better experience.

2246
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:10,920
Sounds like a bug.

2247
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:17,120
And, uh, my experience is, don't start off

2248
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,200
your bug fix request with since we never

2249
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,660
asked for this, that's just me.

2250
01:28:23,860 --> 01:28:24,440
That's just me.

2251
01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:25,040
Helpful hint.

2252
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:25,980
That's a helpful hint.

2253
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,220
There's Martin Linda's code with a freedom boost,

2254
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:29,200
1776.

2255
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,360
He says, Adam, uh, you are the tour

2256
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:32,180
guide of the big apple.

2257
01:28:32,260 --> 01:28:34,040
Dave, glad to hear you had a good

2258
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:34,320
time.

2259
01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:36,500
How did the climbing competition go?

2260
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:38,140
Oh, it's good.

2261
01:28:38,260 --> 01:28:41,300
She's, she's currently qualified for regionals.

2262
01:28:41,380 --> 01:28:42,140
Very nice.

2263
01:28:43,140 --> 01:28:45,640
I joined the live now at 7 45

2264
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,300
PM central European time.

2265
01:28:47,420 --> 01:28:48,040
By the way, I agree.

2266
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:49,540
It's a good thing with the new podcast

2267
01:28:49,540 --> 01:28:51,240
hosting companies entering the market.

2268
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,880
I am using alley to captivate and pod

2269
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:55,560
home at the moment.

2270
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,660
I'll move tea party, tea party, media podcast

2271
01:28:59,660 --> 01:29:00,860
to true fans hosting.

2272
01:29:00,980 --> 01:29:03,320
And that baller was a Dreb Scott, 10

2273
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:03,940
,000 sats.

2274
01:29:03,940 --> 01:29:04,800
Thank you very much, Dreb.

2275
01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:06,000
Yo Dreb.

2276
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:08,260
And, uh, with that, I hit the delimiter

2277
01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:08,720
already.

2278
01:29:08,980 --> 01:29:11,780
So up to you, my friend, I have

2279
01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:14,760
not heard, but did you receive your Christmas

2280
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:15,100
present?

2281
01:29:16,860 --> 01:29:18,280
Um, I have not yet.

2282
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,120
Have you received your Christmas present?

2283
01:29:20,660 --> 01:29:21,520
I have not.

2284
01:29:21,660 --> 01:29:21,940
Okay.

2285
01:29:22,260 --> 01:29:26,080
Then you should be getting, but you should

2286
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:26,940
be getting an email.

2287
01:29:27,140 --> 01:29:29,480
You sent me an email said be on

2288
01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:30,280
the lookout for this.

2289
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:31,300
Like, I don't want to see what it

2290
01:29:31,300 --> 01:29:31,600
is.

2291
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:32,460
Don't send me though.

2292
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:33,840
I like packages.

2293
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:34,920
I like surprises.

2294
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:36,980
Yeah, but I can't control it.

2295
01:29:37,060 --> 01:29:39,020
It's a, it's a, they're going to, they're

2296
01:29:39,020 --> 01:29:40,360
going to send it an email.

2297
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,200
And I'm, I was afraid the email might

2298
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,040
get to you before it's a combo.

2299
01:29:44,140 --> 01:29:46,160
It's, it's like an email and a physical

2300
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:46,780
product.

2301
01:29:46,780 --> 01:29:50,020
And I, I was like, I was like,

2302
01:29:50,020 --> 01:29:51,400
I don't know when they're going to send

2303
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:51,820
the physical.

2304
01:29:51,940 --> 01:29:54,600
Oh, finally an AI, a real doll.

2305
01:29:54,780 --> 01:29:55,580
Thank you, Dave.

2306
01:29:55,940 --> 01:29:57,000
So excited.

2307
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,080
I went, I hope I went with blonde.

2308
01:30:01,300 --> 01:30:02,780
I hope that's fine.

2309
01:30:02,780 --> 01:30:03,460
Thank you.

2310
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,460
Can I, can I, can I cut her

2311
01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:05,700
hair?

2312
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:06,760
However I want to?

2313
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:07,520
Yes.

2314
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:08,200
And it grows back.

2315
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:11,280
I did not.

2316
01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:13,180
I got you one physical product, but there

2317
01:30:13,180 --> 01:30:16,060
is a software component.

2318
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:17,920
Oh, yeah.

2319
01:30:18,780 --> 01:30:21,540
They, they, this is a, I wanted the

2320
01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:23,620
physical thing, but they didn't sell the physical

2321
01:30:23,620 --> 01:30:25,500
without the digital.

2322
01:30:25,700 --> 01:30:26,740
And I was like, okay, all right.

2323
01:30:27,220 --> 01:30:27,660
Okay.

2324
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,160
Okay.

2325
01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:29,180
Had to got it.

2326
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,100
Well, but if you haven't gotten the email

2327
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:34,280
yet, it got rejected by your spam and

2328
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,240
it's quite, it's quite possibly if it has

2329
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,340
the word unsubscribe in it, then I know

2330
01:30:39,340 --> 01:30:40,540
where it is, but I'd have to go

2331
01:30:40,540 --> 01:30:41,440
looking for it.

2332
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:42,400
Okay.

2333
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:42,740
Okay.

2334
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:44,420
Well, that's all right.

2335
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:45,180
Ignore it.

2336
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,040
And if it gets close to Christmas, I'm

2337
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,240
going to check back in with you and

2338
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:49,360
see what the issue is.

2339
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:49,600
All right.

2340
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,220
Well, let me know when my gift arrives

2341
01:30:51,220 --> 01:30:52,220
for you.

2342
01:30:52,220 --> 01:30:52,720
We'll do.

2343
01:30:53,060 --> 01:30:53,180
Okay.

2344
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:54,580
Thank you.

2345
01:30:54,740 --> 01:30:54,840
Sure.

2346
01:30:54,940 --> 01:30:55,120
Okay.

2347
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:59,220
Uh, Oscar, Mary 200 smackers.

2348
01:30:59,620 --> 01:31:00,100
Nice.

2349
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,280
Thank you, Oscar.

2350
01:31:06,460 --> 01:31:09,280
And, and friends, Oscar and friends.

2351
01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:10,180
Thank you very much.

2352
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:13,720
Diagnosing currently a problem that Oscar is having

2353
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:14,500
with the API.

2354
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,220
He is getting rate limited and we're trying

2355
01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:17,040
to figure that out.

2356
01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:21,080
Uh, and so I think it's, it's periodic.

2357
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:22,000
So we'll get it.

2358
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,620
We will get it, uh, fixed.

2359
01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:25,400
Okay.

2360
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,720
Um, Oh, look, we got Barry from pod

2361
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:29,040
home.

2362
01:31:29,180 --> 01:31:31,360
Look at Barry Barry, a hundred dollars.

2363
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:39,300
Barry has figured out the art of, uh,

2364
01:31:39,820 --> 01:31:42,720
getting your products known on podcasts.

2365
01:31:42,740 --> 01:31:44,720
He also donated to the no agenda show

2366
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:45,900
for black Friday.

2367
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:47,620
Yeah.

2368
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:48,320
Yeah.

2369
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:49,260
Pod home.com.

2370
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:50,840
I think he has a special going on.

2371
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:51,520
Did he have a note?

2372
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:52,760
He does.

2373
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,080
He says, Hey guys, Hey, here, here's an

2374
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,600
early Christmas present for the index from pod

2375
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,940
home, uh, pod home.fm. I really appreciate

2376
01:32:01,940 --> 01:32:02,460
what you do.

2377
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:03,840
And I hope you realize that you are

2378
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,840
really making a big impact in the world.

2379
01:32:06,060 --> 01:32:07,240
Oh, thank you, Barry.

2380
01:32:07,340 --> 01:32:10,060
I think Barry has a special prices for

2381
01:32:10,060 --> 01:32:10,600
the season.

2382
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,220
So if you're looking for, for modern up

2383
01:32:14,220 --> 01:32:18,320
to date, uh, all tags included podcasting, pod

2384
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:22,840
home.fm. So my cats love, I got,

2385
01:32:22,900 --> 01:32:24,400
we had two cats and they love it.

2386
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:25,980
When I wad up a paper wad and

2387
01:32:25,980 --> 01:32:27,640
throw it in the house, they'll run and

2388
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:28,980
chase it and then bring it back to

2389
01:32:28,980 --> 01:32:29,180
you.

2390
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:30,760
They bring it back to you.

2391
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:31,320
Yeah.

2392
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:31,680
Oh yeah.

2393
01:32:31,860 --> 01:32:32,180
Oh yeah.

2394
01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:33,300
Can they love it?

2395
01:32:33,340 --> 01:32:34,500
Can they fetch your slippers?

2396
01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:38,240
Oh, if only, but they are now the

2397
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,720
door to this room.

2398
01:32:39,780 --> 01:32:41,200
I podcast in his glass.

2399
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:44,000
And every time I wad up these notes

2400
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,180
and throw them, they're both sitting there at

2401
01:32:46,180 --> 01:32:47,220
the window staring.

2402
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,560
They're dying for me to throw this, throw

2403
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:51,840
some paper, daddy.

2404
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:53,720
Let's see.

2405
01:32:54,160 --> 01:33:00,600
Uh, $50 from, uh, Sergio management group incorporated.

2406
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:01,220
No note.

2407
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,500
Oh, and this is a subscription $50 a

2408
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:03,760
month.

2409
01:33:04,940 --> 01:33:05,460
Wow.

2410
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,520
I'm going to big ball or that that's

2411
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,780
a 20 inch blaze on the Impala.

2412
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,020
Thank you very much.

2413
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,460
Let me see if I have an email

2414
01:33:15,460 --> 01:33:17,920
that might go along with this.

2415
01:33:18,780 --> 01:33:20,340
Um, just want to make sure I didn't

2416
01:33:20,340 --> 01:33:21,480
miss a note here.

2417
01:33:23,790 --> 01:33:24,470
Let's see.

2418
01:33:27,660 --> 01:33:29,320
Uh, Oh wait, I do have a note.

2419
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,520
Uh, just set up a $50 monthly donation

2420
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:33,460
to pockets index.

2421
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:36,080
That's my, that's appreciated.

2422
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,080
Perhaps you could mention my name, Ralph S

2423
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:40,720
step jr.

2424
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,520
Uh, and I am the content creators accountant.

2425
01:33:45,020 --> 01:33:47,360
I have four active shows and my network

2426
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:48,560
network is okay.

2427
01:33:48,620 --> 01:33:48,840
Yes.

2428
01:33:48,940 --> 01:33:49,400
This is a note.

2429
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:49,600
Okay.

2430
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:51,920
Hey guys, I just set up a $50

2431
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,500
monthly donation to your podcast index.

2432
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,360
Perhaps you could mention my name, Ralph S

2433
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,020
step jr.

2434
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,720
And I'm the content creators accountant.

2435
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,620
I have four active shows and my network

2436
01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:04,540
site is, uh, ask ralph.com.

2437
01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:06,320
I just launched a new show.

2438
01:34:06,420 --> 01:34:09,120
The content creators accountant, where I'm working to

2439
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,240
help podcasters and other content creators with the

2440
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:12,620
financial side of the business.

2441
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:13,700
Best wishes Ralph.

2442
01:34:14,220 --> 01:34:15,340
Oh, I see him right here.

2443
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:17,680
Welcome to ask Ralph media.

2444
01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:19,620
Oh, interesting.

2445
01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:22,160
Ralph looks like Ralph, but Ralph looks like

2446
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:22,980
a fun fellow.

2447
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,160
Does he look like a fun fellow?

2448
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:28,180
Yeah, he does.

2449
01:34:28,260 --> 01:34:28,860
He's smiling.

2450
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:29,500
Yeah.

2451
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:30,080
Very nice.

2452
01:34:30,140 --> 01:34:30,580
Thanks Ralph.

2453
01:34:31,220 --> 01:34:31,520
Yeah.

2454
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:32,420
Thank you very much.

2455
01:34:32,540 --> 01:34:33,000
Appreciate that.

2456
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,040
Uh, that is, let's see, that is it

2457
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,320
for those.

2458
01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:40,780
We do have some boost grams get in

2459
01:34:40,780 --> 01:34:43,860
here and find the boosts.

2460
01:34:43,860 --> 01:34:44,420
Okay.

2461
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:45,600
I'll sort that.

2462
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:47,600
Here we go.

2463
01:34:48,580 --> 01:34:52,220
So we got, uh, Seth that's says with

2464
01:34:52,220 --> 01:34:56,180
a three instead of an E uh, 1183,

2465
01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:58,840
an authoritative way to point to the actual

2466
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,600
authoritative and main feed is so needed.

2467
01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:02,420
Yes.

2468
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:03,140
And so this is good.

2469
01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:05,000
This goes back to the move, your podcast

2470
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:05,620
.com.

2471
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:06,100
Yeah.

2472
01:35:06,300 --> 01:35:06,660
Yeah.

2473
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,480
Which we'll need, which we will need to

2474
01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:09,720
build.

2475
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:10,300
Yes.

2476
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:10,800
Yeah.

2477
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,120
In addition to everything else we're doing.

2478
01:35:13,380 --> 01:35:13,640
Yeah.

2479
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,080
We'll build building every billet.

2480
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:16,020
Let's build it all.

2481
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:21,000
Uh, Oh, 33, three 33 from a Cameron.

2482
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:21,760
Wow.

2483
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:25,700
This is a through fountain and the message

2484
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:27,180
is just IPFS Cameron.

2485
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:28,160
Ah, yes.

2486
01:35:28,460 --> 01:35:30,160
IPFS podcasting.net.

2487
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:30,980
Yep.

2488
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:31,740
Thank you, Cameron.

2489
01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:32,520
Appreciate you brother.

2490
01:35:33,060 --> 01:35:37,800
Uh, Neil Vaglio 2338 through, through, uh, through

2491
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:38,740
true true fans.

2492
01:35:38,820 --> 01:35:39,120
Okay.

2493
01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:41,400
He says great episode explaining the importance of

2494
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:42,980
the index, which we all know, but the

2495
01:35:42,980 --> 01:35:44,000
reminder is always good.

2496
01:35:44,140 --> 01:35:44,540
Yes.

2497
01:35:44,620 --> 01:35:45,720
Thank you for supporting it.

2498
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:46,560
Mm hmm.

2499
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,220
Uh, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck 2222 through

2500
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:50,840
podcast guru.

2501
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:53,100
He says, I was trying to add a

2502
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:55,980
card on strike at the same time.

2503
01:35:56,060 --> 01:35:57,200
Everything was going down.

2504
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,080
Funny how I had to create a support

2505
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,880
ticket and they got back and said, all

2506
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:02,400
was fixed.

2507
01:36:02,660 --> 01:36:03,340
I felt loud.

2508
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:04,320
Thank you for the episode.

2509
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,120
73s 73s.

2510
01:36:06,340 --> 01:36:07,200
Thank you very much.

2511
01:36:08,300 --> 01:36:08,660
Oops.

2512
01:36:08,660 --> 01:36:10,240
See, uh, let's see.

2513
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,160
You got, I already did that one.

2514
01:36:12,340 --> 01:36:13,020
Did that one.

2515
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:14,920
Is this the delimiter?

2516
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,880
Uh, yeah, we get two delimiters.

2517
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:20,540
Yes.

2518
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:21,760
We get, because we didn't have a show

2519
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:22,140
last week.

2520
01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:23,160
Oh, that's right.

2521
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:23,680
Yes.

2522
01:36:23,740 --> 01:36:24,720
Oh, that's a good point.

2523
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:25,760
Thank you.

2524
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:26,680
Come as your blogger for it.

2525
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,420
We get double delimiters, two commas in a

2526
01:36:28,420 --> 01:36:28,640
row.

2527
01:36:29,420 --> 01:36:31,240
Uh, comma strip bloggers, what he should be

2528
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:31,440
called.

2529
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:35,720
Uh, 17 Oh one five sass through fountain.

2530
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,460
He says, how do you Dave and Adam,

2531
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,100
my fellow Pomeranian fan, a lady Vox from

2532
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:46,300
Alaska wolf and her cohost Dame Loka from

2533
01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:46,780
Texas.

2534
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,520
I've just dropped yesterday new episode of their

2535
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:50,040
podcast.

2536
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:55,100
Find it at a website, www.grumpyolddames.com

2537
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:58,820
or search for grumpy old dames in your

2538
01:36:58,820 --> 01:36:59,260
podcast.

2539
01:36:59,460 --> 01:36:59,920
Appy app.

2540
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,840
It's about quote.

2541
01:37:01,940 --> 01:37:06,300
We also grew up about how our oversensitive

2542
01:37:06,300 --> 01:37:10,340
society has turned everything, including Thanksgiving into a

2543
01:37:10,340 --> 01:37:11,940
culture war end quote.

2544
01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:14,320
Yo, CSB AI arch wizard.

2545
01:37:14,500 --> 01:37:14,760
Yeah.

2546
01:37:14,820 --> 01:37:17,320
I'm expecting the AI arch wizard to contribute

2547
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,360
to our party time project.

2548
01:37:20,740 --> 01:37:23,240
That's why he hasn't yet because we weren't

2549
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:23,780
doing AI.

2550
01:37:23,940 --> 01:37:26,140
So now he, he has no excuse, no

2551
01:37:26,140 --> 01:37:27,240
excuse whatsoever.

2552
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:29,000
Oh, excellent.

2553
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:30,700
Um, well we got a double though.

2554
01:37:30,740 --> 01:37:31,220
We got a double.

2555
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:31,700
There's another one.

2556
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:32,400
Comma strip blogger.

2557
01:37:32,460 --> 01:37:33,960
17 Oh one five through fountain.

2558
01:37:34,060 --> 01:37:36,420
He says, how do you Dave and Adam?

2559
01:37:37,820 --> 01:37:44,180
And it's the exact same exact same message.

2560
01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:44,660
Okay.

2561
01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:45,240
Yeah.

2562
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:46,900
Thank you.

2563
01:37:46,940 --> 01:37:47,220
See, it's me.

2564
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:47,940
We got some monthly.

2565
01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:48,400
Yeah.

2566
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:48,940
Way to go.

2567
01:37:49,140 --> 01:37:51,500
Uh, Joseph Morocco, $5.

2568
01:37:51,860 --> 01:37:53,280
Kevin Bay, $5.

2569
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:54,840
Cameron Rose, $25.

2570
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,280
Dreb Scott, $15.

2571
01:37:58,140 --> 01:37:59,320
Chris Bernardik, $5.

2572
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,500
Michael Kimmerer, $5 and 33 cents.

2573
01:38:02,620 --> 01:38:04,200
Randall Black, $5.

2574
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:05,920
Christopher Reamer, $10.

2575
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:08,080
Cone Glossbox, $5.

2576
01:38:08,380 --> 01:38:09,900
James Sullivan, $10.

2577
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,340
Podpage and Brendan over there.

2578
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:12,880
$25.

2579
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,300
Mark Graham, $1 and new media.

2580
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:16,680
That's Martin $1.

2581
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:18,120
Wonderful.

2582
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:19,160
Throw that at your cats.

2583
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:20,460
Thank you all so much.

2584
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,440
Uh, board board meeting adjourned.

2585
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:24,880
Uh, are you working this weekend?

2586
01:38:24,980 --> 01:38:25,860
Do you get to hang out?

2587
01:38:25,940 --> 01:38:26,420
What are you doing?

2588
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,440
Uh, we are going to the firm Christmas

2589
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:30,160
party tonight.

2590
01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:33,100
Ah, nice.

2591
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,140
This is where you get your Christmas package

2592
01:38:35,140 --> 01:38:36,060
from the firm.

2593
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:37,880
You get your little Christmas package.

2594
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:39,960
That's a, that's a big thing in Holland.

2595
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:41,940
It's called the cash pocket.

2596
01:38:41,940 --> 01:38:46,600
Uh, so Christmas package and people will be

2597
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:47,100
talking to us.

2598
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:48,780
Hey, uh, what'd your company give you in

2599
01:38:48,780 --> 01:38:49,400
your cash pocket?

2600
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,160
And that's like a, like a bonus or

2601
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:52,400
something.

2602
01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:54,860
No, it's literally like a package and it'll

2603
01:38:54,860 --> 01:38:56,960
have maybe a bottle of wine and some

2604
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,100
cheese and you know, and sometimes, you know,

2605
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:01,120
like a cool gadget.

2606
01:39:02,340 --> 01:39:04,040
Um, so it's the cash pocket.

2607
01:39:04,260 --> 01:39:05,240
Everyone's talking about it.

2608
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:06,160
And right now, what is it?

2609
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:06,760
Yes.

2610
01:39:06,820 --> 01:39:08,200
What is the Dutch cheese?

2611
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,880
Like what did the Dutch, are the Dutch

2612
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:11,580
famous for a particular type of cheese?

2613
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:12,680
Why I'm glad you asked.

2614
01:39:12,780 --> 01:39:13,300
Yes, they are.

2615
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:15,180
Gouda or Gouda.

2616
01:39:15,740 --> 01:39:16,740
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

2617
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:18,460
The Americanized Gouda.

2618
01:39:18,660 --> 01:39:18,920
Yes.

2619
01:39:19,060 --> 01:39:20,780
And uh, and you know what they also

2620
01:39:20,780 --> 01:39:23,240
make in Gouda is candles.

2621
01:39:24,740 --> 01:39:27,940
Holland is one of the, uh, one of

2622
01:39:27,940 --> 01:39:30,600
the largest candle producing nations, I believe.

2623
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:32,560
And they make them out of Gouda.

2624
01:39:32,900 --> 01:39:35,160
Well, no, if you get your Gouda, the

2625
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,260
wax on the outside is of course from

2626
01:39:37,260 --> 01:39:38,940
the, from the wax people.

2627
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:43,540
Then they pivoted that into a candle making.

2628
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:44,960
I'm not sure about that.

2629
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:46,480
I'm not sure.

2630
01:39:46,900 --> 01:39:48,760
I'm sure they pivoted into some kind of

2631
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,160
food that we're eating that we don't know

2632
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:50,420
about.

2633
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,160
We're always eating candle wax.

2634
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:53,660
So isn't that what Crisco was?

2635
01:39:53,700 --> 01:39:56,840
I think Crisco was, uh, uh, was candle

2636
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:58,460
wax and they turned out, oh, well we

2637
01:39:58,460 --> 01:39:59,260
can cook with this.

2638
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,220
You should never cook with Crisco.

2639
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:01,720
No.

2640
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:02,380
Because it is candle wax.

2641
01:40:02,380 --> 01:40:04,120
Crisco is good for one thing and one

2642
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:05,800
thing only, and it shall not be mentioned

2643
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:06,580
on this board.

2644
01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:11,580
All right, everybody have a great weekend.

2645
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:13,540
We'll see you next Friday, right here for

2646
01:40:13,540 --> 01:40:34,640
more of Podcasting 2.0. Podcasting

2647
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:39,420
2.0. Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2648
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,220
Go podcasting!

2649
01:40:41,660 --> 01:40:43,660
I'm a huge fan of nuts.