Episode 99: Airhorns are LIT!

1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,750 podcasting 2.0 for August 26 2022 Episode 99 air horns are 2 00:00:06,750 --> 00:00:11,910 lit hello everybody welcome to the official board meeting of 3 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:17,670 podcasting 2.0 coming to you live from right nearby the 4 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:21,540 grassy knoll in Dallas Texas. time once again for your weekly 5 00:00:21,540 --> 00:00:23,310 board meeting find out everything that's going on with 6 00:00:23,310 --> 00:00:27,570 podcasting 2.0 What's happening with the namespace what went on 7 00:00:27,570 --> 00:00:30,900 and podcasts index in some brevity and of course everything 8 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:34,890 happening at podcast index dot social I'm Adam curry here in 9 00:00:34,890 --> 00:00:40,320 the Heart of Dallas, Texas and in Alabama. No way to force down 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,620 the man who slept like a baby last night say hello to my 11 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:48,000 friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones 12 00:00:48,869 --> 00:00:52,889 who is whose Jr Jay gets beat Jr. No 13 00:00:52,890 --> 00:00:57,660 no any James who shot Jr. Oh, remember that? Remember that? 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,730 Jr? Yeah, 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,650 my child of the 80s failed me. I was I was almost there. I forgot 16 00:01:04,650 --> 00:01:08,670 about the who shot thing. I just figured that year Jr. and I'm 17 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:10,500 the like the chick with the wavy hair. 18 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:14,670 No, no, you're you can be Bobby you can be Bobby Ewing. Bobby 19 00:01:14,670 --> 00:01:17,460 was always he was also the man from Atlantis. So we had x ray 20 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:18,330 all the skills. 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,780 It was It wasn't fair falsetto. That was it was the No no, 22 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:30,810 it was a Sammy Jo. Heather Locklear. Heather Locklear. Oh 23 00:01:30,810 --> 00:01:35,550 yeah, Sammy Joe, who didn't have a Sammy Joe poster on the wall 24 00:01:35,550 --> 00:01:36,300 back in the day. 25 00:01:36,810 --> 00:01:40,050 I had a poster of a Lamborghini. So okay, I 26 00:01:40,050 --> 00:01:41,220 didn't know there you go. There's 27 00:01:41,490 --> 00:01:44,460 Sammy. Joe had a Lamborghini. You never got the Lamborghini. 28 00:01:44,459 --> 00:01:45,539 I never got Sammy Joe. 29 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:48,360 Those true statements. 30 00:01:49,650 --> 00:01:54,030 So we are live from Dallas. Podcast Movement. 22. I'm on the 31 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:57,330 26th floor. I think you're on 23 or 21. 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,500 Whatever, anyone. 33 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,820 It's always so interesting. But this is kind of the best way I 34 00:02:02,820 --> 00:02:04,860 was like we were talking last night Why don't we just do it 35 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:07,710 the way we always do it you sit in your room? Said I don't it's 36 00:02:07,710 --> 00:02:10,860 weird. It's weird to do a show that you do with someone 37 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:14,220 remotely all the time. And then if you sit next to each other in 38 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:18,840 the room now it doesn't work feels weird. I don't feel good 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,290 about that. 40 00:02:19,290 --> 00:02:23,610 staring at you like a so that was going on. I don't think we 41 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:26,370 need to go through all of the controversies that have taken 42 00:02:26,370 --> 00:02:29,250 place here. Podcast Movement, pretty much everybody has read 43 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:30,180 about it, I guess. 44 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:36,600 I have think of learnings that I can share. Yeah, please. Have 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:43,320 three learnings. Okay. All right. This year it's in and my 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,820 voice is completely rigged by 47 00:02:44,820 --> 00:02:48,330 the way you sound. Barry, he's the Barry White of podcasting. 48 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:48,600 Ladies, 49 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,130 gentlemen, let me let me let me tell you this everywhere you go 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:03:00,180 in, in this place, there is little music. You cannot have a 51 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:03,630 conversation with me but with anyone without yelling at the 52 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:07,020 top of your lungs. Yeah, the entire time is like after four 53 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:10,080 days. I'm like the voice is gone. It's completely wrecked. 54 00:03:10,110 --> 00:03:16,050 Yeah, I had the Sheraton breakfast burrito, not good eat 55 00:03:16,050 --> 00:03:16,530 piece 56 00:03:16,590 --> 00:03:20,760 of crap. And it's lukewarm. So we both had room service. And we 57 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,430 both inadvertently ordered the same thing. We're not sharing 58 00:03:23,430 --> 00:03:28,800 room. And and we compared notes and like what was that drag that 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,130 they threw into it into a tortilla? It was just it's not. 60 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,860 It's nasty. There's no service in hotels anymore. And it's also 61 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:41,160 married to Sheraton but it's owned by the Marriott. You 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,640 remember one article when our vacation fell apart going to 63 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Aruba so we went to Fort Lauderdale stayed at the Four 64 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,330 Seasons also owned by Marriott it was even a bigger piece of 65 00:03:51,330 --> 00:03:56,790 shit than this is now but it's services gone away there's just 66 00:03:56,790 --> 00:03:59,340 no you know people I think the I don't think they have enough 67 00:03:59,340 --> 00:03:59,790 people 68 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,810 you and I literally went to there is a there's a branded 69 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:08,010 Marriott across the street. It literally went there to eat 70 00:04:08,010 --> 00:04:11,520 lunch just to escape the noise that yeah, in an hour. 71 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:14,550 It's the energy to you know, there's just there's a lot of 72 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:16,920 energy from a lot of different people. I've been to many 73 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,390 conferences, you've been to conferences. But there is no no 74 00:04:21,390 --> 00:04:25,200 quiet space anywhere. That's partially the acoustics of the 75 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,290 building. But you're right yeah, everyone's just Well, first of 76 00:04:28,290 --> 00:04:31,050 all, we're talking a lot you know, I don't know about you, 77 00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:33,450 but I don't talk this much. In my normal day. 78 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:36,480 I hang out with accountants all day, so I'm not 79 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:39,870 I need the horn to 80 00:04:41,610 --> 00:04:45,600 Oh, man, I wish we gotta get that gotta get we gotta get that 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,520 horn. It was what Okay, what's your third learning? 82 00:04:51,690 --> 00:04:55,290 Oh, no, my second learning. Oh, I'm sorry. Your second learning? 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:01,800 Yes, I'm gonna number two. No, the the body Wash in the shampoo 84 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:06,720 in the shirts and shower. I think it's the same thing on the 85 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,880 inside with just a different label on it. 86 00:05:09,059 --> 00:05:10,859 It's actually canola oil 87 00:05:13,740 --> 00:05:18,690 rapeseed oil. It's all yes. Yeah, it's, it's a law, it's the 88 00:05:18,690 --> 00:05:19,680 shampoo is a lie. 89 00:05:19,710 --> 00:05:23,940 It's all it's always fun to have your shampoo, body wash and 90 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:26,430 conditioner bolted to the wall, it just makes you feel like 91 00:05:26,430 --> 00:05:29,640 you're in prison. I just feel like I'm gonna sell man. Like, 92 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,090 what is. 93 00:05:31,380 --> 00:05:37,050 My third learning is that Ben Shapiro is the equivalent, he's 94 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:41,370 the human equivalent of uranium 235, he can harm you, merely 95 00:05:41,370 --> 00:05:45,480 being in the room with you. That is something I did not know 96 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,670 about, about humanity. 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,450 I did a full 30 minute overview of my impression of the 98 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:56,910 conference and the so called industry that is here. So if you 99 00:05:56,910 --> 00:06:00,000 want to get a full dirty rundown, that will be a place to 100 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,230 listen. I don't want to put too much nastiness. Because we had a 101 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:08,040 really good time, we hung out with a lot of cool, cool people, 102 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:13,950 all of the 2.0 people that that came out. And I'd say based upon 103 00:06:13,950 --> 00:06:17,130 this controversy, and interestingly, how people 104 00:06:17,130 --> 00:06:22,020 responded to it. This went beyond politics. I tweeted, and 105 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:25,830 people didn't understand that in an odd way, this controversy 106 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:30,930 kind of brought America a little closer together. Because no, you 107 00:06:30,930 --> 00:06:34,710 know, a very frequent post or reply to this Twitter thread 108 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:39,330 would be I don't agree with anything Shapiro says, but what 109 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:41,640 is this? You know, so it kind of brought people a little bit 110 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,470 together. And it really, I've spoken to many, well, a couple 111 00:06:46,470 --> 00:06:49,050 of friends over the past. In fact, I spoke to a buddy of mine 112 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:51,420 who lives I want to have lunch or dinner with him, but I'm 113 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:55,290 gonna go, Oh, my God, I can't hang out with you, Vic. I said, 114 00:06:55,590 --> 00:06:58,530 you know, what, Where's all this coming from? He had this. This 115 00:06:58,530 --> 00:07:02,160 is core. This is corporate America right now. And he said, 116 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,890 The only difference is, you know, it seems like in the 117 00:07:04,890 --> 00:07:07,140 podcasting world, they may have actually put numbers on the 118 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:10,770 quotas, but in general, it's just like, there's this equity 119 00:07:10,770 --> 00:07:14,580 balancing act. That sucks. It just sucks. And then, you know, 120 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,670 and the virtue signaling, which is clearly what happened here, 121 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:22,650 Brent, but looking at this level of quote, unquote, D, 122 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:26,430 platforming, and, you know, other threats that were made to 123 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:28,980 people about well, if you know, there's complaints about you, 124 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:35,490 you gotta get out of here. I think that the entire podcasting 125 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:39,540 2.0 Orchestra, which has, you know, contains banjos, 126 00:07:39,540 --> 00:07:42,090 washboards, triangles, and Thurman's. 127 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:43,830 Am mouth juice harps. 128 00:07:45,690 --> 00:07:50,910 That's a good one. Yes. Congratulate yourself. We we 129 00:07:50,910 --> 00:07:56,700 built the escape hatch, just in time. The escape hatch, is there 130 00:07:56,700 --> 00:08:00,450 the escape hatch from the monetization you're not going to 131 00:08:00,450 --> 00:08:06,450 get? Because it's really not available to everybody? I don't 132 00:08:06,450 --> 00:08:12,570 think I think it's a very small group have in my mind, very ESG 133 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,370 related type of podcast or projects or consultancies, that 134 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,790 are companies that do these things specifically, that are 135 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:24,090 taking a lot of of the money flow. So I think value for In 136 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:28,740 fact, there were a couple of women from Africa pods at our 137 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:29,400 session. 138 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:34,470 Yeah, I know this. And others. Oh, you spoken to them? Well, 139 00:08:34,950 --> 00:08:38,280 let me I don't know them know them. But I've communicated with 140 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,740 him over email. Because I've reached out to him because I 141 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:45,030 reached out to him a while back is this, this is a good thing to 142 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:47,160 talk about. Because I reached out to them a while back and 143 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,040 said, Hey, I just want to make sure that we have all the 144 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:57,540 podcasts that you have in the directory, right? Because you we 145 00:08:57,540 --> 00:09:02,400 have you know, we've we had the guy from Nairobi on about you 146 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,210 know, he's doing Bitcoin stuff. And, like, I just want a know 147 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:12,990 that Africa is a emerging podcast ecosystem. So I just 148 00:09:12,990 --> 00:09:16,050 want to make sure that we have all that stuff. So reached out 149 00:09:16,050 --> 00:09:20,880 and everything is just very nice. And then I talked to the 150 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,100 guys at disk disk topia. 151 00:09:23,610 --> 00:09:26,280 Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another hosting company. 152 00:09:27,060 --> 00:09:31,080 Yeah, it's it's a very well, so their DNA is really cool. Like 153 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:36,630 they it I think, I think it's a black owned business. And so 154 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:39,030 they they have really, they're telling me they have a really 155 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:42,630 good relationship with Afro pods. And we get talking about a 156 00:09:42,630 --> 00:09:46,050 lot of this stuff, which is really cool DNA company because 157 00:09:46,050 --> 00:09:48,480 they started out, they were telling me all about their 158 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,970 history. And they started out with seeing these these young 159 00:09:53,970 --> 00:09:58,140 artists, like hip hoppers and these kinds of guys that were 160 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:02,940 just signing their life away to like Spotify. but they were they 161 00:10:02,940 --> 00:10:05,280 were like don't do that just don't just don't do that let 162 00:10:05,430 --> 00:10:06,060 date and so they 163 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:09,120 so that their music guy he had that music guys, right? Yeah, 164 00:10:09,210 --> 00:10:14,370 yeah their music streaming guys for indie for indie musicians, 165 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,220 and they say they're like, Okay, you know, their pitch is kind of 166 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:20,400 like this I hope I'm getting this ride to pitches like don't 167 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,430 sign your life away just to get the excitement of being on 168 00:10:23,430 --> 00:10:28,770 Spotify comm site sign with us, you're gonna get way better, 169 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,030 better stream rates, we're gonna you know we're going to pay you, 170 00:10:33,540 --> 00:10:36,660 we're actually going to pay you in where you're gonna get money. 171 00:10:37,710 --> 00:10:40,980 And then there's like a windowing thing where it's okay, 172 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,520 you're going to be exclusive on us. And you're going to tell all 173 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,600 your fans, you know, go listen to like, listen to our new album 174 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,710 on dystopia, you know, and then after like six months, I don't 175 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:55,560 know how long it is after a certain amount of time, then you 176 00:10:55,560 --> 00:11:01,710 can go on to the other platforms and but it gives them a chance 177 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:06,090 to to have all their stuff exclusive and give a better rate 178 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:09,510 get better money. And it also at the same time builds dystopias, 179 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,020 you know, base. Yeah, sure and have a bigger and bigger lately, 180 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:16,740 like the way they were taught. Those guys are cool, man, I 181 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:20,430 really, really, really good. Yeah, no, they're great. And 182 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:23,160 they've just gotten into podcasts and audiobooks. And 183 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,290 they're trying to build that stuff up. So 184 00:11:25,469 --> 00:11:29,189 anyway, that I love that. Well, the afternoon that for pods, 185 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:32,909 ladies, I think the CEO, I kept meeting or in the elevator, 186 00:11:32,909 --> 00:11:36,509 which was kind of weird and creepy. At the same time, I felt 187 00:11:36,509 --> 00:11:39,389 like this woman's thing. I'm stalking her. We're on the same 188 00:11:39,389 --> 00:11:44,999 floor as it turns out. And so the two main things in Africa, 189 00:11:44,999 --> 00:11:47,459 there's a huge radio culture of course, you know, that that's 190 00:11:47,459 --> 00:11:50,789 how they've been getting the word out. And it's all you know, 191 00:11:50,789 --> 00:11:54,059 limited range pretty local radio stations, it's the same in the 192 00:11:54,059 --> 00:11:57,269 Caribbean. And but you know, in Africa, it's really prevalent. 193 00:11:57,899 --> 00:12:02,429 And so now that everybody has some form of a device that can 194 00:12:02,429 --> 00:12:05,459 at least you know, depending on bandwidth, but you know, there 195 00:12:05,459 --> 00:12:10,379 you go, enter, like the flip phone and what was a pod? Pod? 196 00:12:10,499 --> 00:12:14,129 What What's that app on the on the flip phone? They also use? 197 00:12:14,699 --> 00:12:19,079 Pod LP pod LP yeah. And so they're super interested in 198 00:12:19,079 --> 00:12:21,959 value for value because the you know, the bitcoin is understood 199 00:12:21,959 --> 00:12:26,069 very well in Africa, which I love. I love that everyone here 200 00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:30,119 is like an African of like, hell yeah. Because they've they've 201 00:12:30,209 --> 00:12:33,149 know nothing else but debased money their whole life. 202 00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:36,630 But that's what the that's what the dystopia guys were telling 203 00:12:36,630 --> 00:12:41,550 me they were like, you know, you monetization is is almost 204 00:12:41,550 --> 00:12:44,550 impossible in Africa. They're like, you just it's because what 205 00:12:44,910 --> 00:12:49,650 was it you that said that? I can't remember who's told who 206 00:12:49,650 --> 00:12:55,170 told me this. Something like big Bitcoin. Bitcoins not know it. I 207 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:58,050 know who it was is Gary aren't. I was talking to him last night 208 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,490 at the James Kirtland meetup. And he said, he said that his 209 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,010 because, you know, he's traveled everywhere. I mean, literally 210 00:13:05,010 --> 00:13:07,590 everywhere has been 130 countries and all over Africa 211 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:12,060 and everything. And he was saying that I think that Bitcoin 212 00:13:12,270 --> 00:13:16,350 will take off in Africa before it takes off pretty much 213 00:13:16,350 --> 00:13:20,550 anywhere else. Because the because the sort of us doesn't 214 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:23,400 need Bitcoin is what he said. But Africa, Africa actually 215 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,570 does. Yeah, the countries 216 00:13:24,570 --> 00:13:27,810 between the countries alone, they have different currencies. 217 00:13:27,810 --> 00:13:30,450 And it's very hard to do business with with with your 218 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:32,790 neighbor country, which we would say as our neighbor state, even 219 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:38,250 though I realized Africa is big, huge. Yeah. It may not feel like 220 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:39,690 a state. But you know, 221 00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:44,340 I think he said it has 90 countries just one continent. 222 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:44,700 Yeah. 223 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:50,370 Yeah. So yeah, and it was great to be able to meet some of those 224 00:13:50,370 --> 00:13:55,200 people. Because, again, I just think that, you know, big 225 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,070 corporations have been trying to capture podcasting. And they 226 00:13:59,070 --> 00:14:02,760 failed once again. So, we I think we're doing the right 227 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,420 thing here. And I and I love that these types of people are 228 00:14:06,420 --> 00:14:09,420 emerging and saying, Hey, we see it, what do we do? How do we get 229 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:16,110 started? And this is just looking at all the good energy 230 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:20,760 that that we had in the in the groups. When, you know, we had a 231 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,070 nice dinner with a whole bunch of people in the hosting 232 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:27,210 business. You know, there's three people from Apple here who 233 00:14:27,210 --> 00:14:30,060 are doing their typical Apple thing, you know, like, because, 234 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:32,190 you know, of course, I say, Hey, how you doing when you put the 235 00:14:32,190 --> 00:14:35,220 namespace in? And they give you 236 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,840 that Apple smile? Yeah, Apple smile. This is I'm not gonna say 237 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,130 anything. That guy 238 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:45,060 who came in last night at the Cridland beer. Did you meet him 239 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:48,510 the Apple guy? He was he was like, yeah, he's Apple PR, which 240 00:14:48,510 --> 00:14:51,750 is great, man. That guy is he's told he represents Apple, so 241 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:56,970 well. Hi. Hey, how you doing? Hey, I'm awful. Yeah, I couldn't 242 00:14:56,970 --> 00:14:57,690 stop smiling. 243 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:02,220 Hey, yeah, he's a really nice guy. Did you see? Do you notice 244 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:03,720 they all have the same gray shirt? 245 00:15:04,140 --> 00:15:07,440 Oh, yeah. Oh uniform. Yeah. Uniform uniform. Yeah. 246 00:15:08,130 --> 00:15:09,900 With the with the with the white shirt and the black tie 247 00:15:09,930 --> 00:15:17,700 and the Dockers had a nice hang with Mark from clean feed last 248 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:20,970 night went out to dinner with him. Guy such a good guy very 249 00:15:20,970 --> 00:15:23,730 good guy was first it was nice because he's from the UK and he 250 00:15:23,730 --> 00:15:26,670 has a different perspective on a lot of things. But he's, you 251 00:15:26,670 --> 00:15:29,340 know, and he we had a real difference of opinion on some 252 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:32,100 core issues, which was good because it was nice to talk to 253 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:35,460 someone with a different perspective. And he actually 254 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:40,740 gave me some insight on things that I'm biased about. So but he 255 00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:43,740 does clean it his company's clean feet and just they won an 256 00:15:43,740 --> 00:15:49,410 Emmy for, for for their stuffs being used in films and music. 257 00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:52,230 And it's really interesting. And I said, Well, we're talking 258 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:55,110 about the conference said you're not here to sell subscriptions 259 00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:57,870 said no, I'm really here to meet with people and learn. And I 260 00:15:57,870 --> 00:16:01,020 like that. Oh, well. Okay, I just do you have any requests? 261 00:16:01,020 --> 00:16:05,130 Yeah, sure. Do? I sure do. I said I'd like to have EQ per 262 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:07,770 channel, that's all I need. You don't need to put any other 263 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,780 processing in. It's just, I don't have enough inputs in my 264 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:18,630 life. In the mixer to be, you know, put three people on remote 265 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:22,350 through it. And he said, okay, yeah, we actually have that 266 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:24,510 already. We just figured out how we want to do it. Because, you 267 00:16:24,510 --> 00:16:27,450 know, he has two types of users. You know, it's real novices and 268 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:33,480 experts. And also he said he was talking to us working on maybe 269 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,770 putting in some kind of live streaming stuff that could 270 00:16:37,770 --> 00:16:39,300 integrate with hosting provider. 271 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,510 Yeah, yeah, we we talked a little bit about that. I think 272 00:16:42,510 --> 00:16:45,750 he's, he's trailing. So he's like the co founder the company. 273 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:49,650 Yeah. And yeah, he's the, I think it's just a bunch of just 274 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:52,830 two. They're two nerds or two tech guys. Yeah, a couple audio 275 00:16:52,830 --> 00:16:57,060 nerds. Yeah. And they so when you tell him when you say hey, I 276 00:16:57,060 --> 00:17:00,570 want to do it's kind of refreshing because usually the 277 00:17:00,570 --> 00:17:04,230 context that we have with companies like if I contact a 278 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:07,830 hosting company, it's usually like, let me get you in touch 279 00:17:07,830 --> 00:17:11,790 with the tech people. Right? This is like the whole they took 280 00:17:11,790 --> 00:17:14,130 the company to clean feet is they're nothing but tech people. 281 00:17:14,220 --> 00:17:18,090 So you immediately get a you know, answers to questions. That 282 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,240 the like, they was telling me a little bit about the difference. 283 00:17:21,450 --> 00:17:23,790 Everybody's getting into this game now. And so there's like 284 00:17:23,790 --> 00:17:27,480 squad gas, Riverside, all these people. And he was telling me 285 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,290 the difference between, like what clean feed does versus what 286 00:17:31,290 --> 00:17:36,690 those guys do. Their thing is, is like audio synchronization 287 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:41,280 like that their exact with their with keeping both sides in sync. 288 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,090 Yeah. And like zero latency and all this latency. Yeah. Yeah. 289 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:48,840 Because they actually they're so solid that you can use it for 290 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:54,240 things like was it what they call it where they do voiceovers 291 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,080 and stuff in? In film lady ArtPlace. ADR? Yeah, 292 00:17:58,110 --> 00:18:02,190 additional? Weight is Yeah, additional dialogue recording. 293 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:05,460 Okay, yeah, you can do it for stuff like that. I mean, it's, 294 00:18:05,550 --> 00:18:09,540 it's really, really solid. And they do during the pandemic, 295 00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:13,860 they did all this stuff with like, film people. And it's, I 296 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,990 don't know, it's it was just really good. That was a good 297 00:18:16,110 --> 00:18:19,560 connection. We talked to him. For what, two hours less 298 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,040 than 10 leaves. Yeah, and well, and 30 minutes of that was spent 299 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,330 trying to explain to the server that any mustard or mustard seed 300 00:18:27,330 --> 00:18:28,620 in the food would kill him. 301 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:35,910 Yes. He said it's not okay to give somebody else an EpiPen. I 302 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:37,470 was prepared to jump over. I know. 303 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:40,710 I said right away since you got an epi pen. Yes, I can Pulp 304 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:43,950 Fiction you right. And this is no no to that, if that happens 305 00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:47,340 is way too late. Oh, said yeah, I should catch that immediately. 306 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:48,180 myself. Oh, 307 00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:50,880 okay. First, I don't have breathing problems. I'm coming 308 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,300 over the tape. 309 00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:53,520 Me too. I'm like we need this guy in our life. 310 00:18:55,980 --> 00:19:02,670 No, good. That's no good at the podcasting. 2.0 meet up with the 311 00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:10,560 band for Marcis and Buspar guys, in kind of spearheaded, as that 312 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,100 was great. It was great getting to see uh, you know, getting to 313 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:21,150 see all the hosting companies come together and, and sort of 314 00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:26,370 declare, declare that, you know, we're there their dedication to 315 00:19:26,370 --> 00:19:28,980 open RSS and they really know we're gonna, we're gonna work 316 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:32,220 together to further the medium, and that content was great. It 317 00:19:32,220 --> 00:19:32,820 was really nice, 318 00:19:32,850 --> 00:19:38,160 outstanding, the only thing I would add. But there were still 319 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:44,160 a lot of, if not explicitly, the implied, like, we have to do 320 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,300 this to make apple and Spotify see what we're doing and start 321 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:53,580 complying with the standards. I just wanted to add, you know, 322 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:57,060 there's also a lot of, let me just use the word uplifting we 323 00:19:57,060 --> 00:20:00,690 can do have the current apps that are already The producing 324 00:20:00,690 --> 00:20:05,790 this. So, you know, we need to we need to lift these apps up, 325 00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:12,030 educate customers, listeners podcasters that there are apps 326 00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:15,330 and they're mature enough. You know, I mean, it's a very 327 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:18,300 personal thing, obviously. But at least someone needs the 328 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:23,820 experience. And you know, at this point is like if you if you 329 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:26,370 have Chiclets, you know, subscribe, or listen, you know, 330 00:20:26,370 --> 00:20:33,090 it's not sufficient just have a podcast index logo. You know, I 331 00:20:33,090 --> 00:20:34,800 think we should be promoting the apps. 332 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:39,570 So I was talking to Kevin and Tom and Dan Benjamin about this 333 00:20:39,570 --> 00:20:44,010 yesterday at lunch. And we're talking about the app 334 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:48,720 specifically. And they, you know, they were looking at a few 335 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,700 of them. And, like, Kevin was saying, he's a designer by 336 00:20:54,900 --> 00:21:00,030 trade. And so he was like, you know, he said, The problem here 337 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:04,890 with, with the, with adverse Syria, caster that with the, 338 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,610 with the current crop of 2.0 apps, and he said, they're, 339 00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:14,850 they're technologically sound. But you pass a point where the 340 00:21:14,850 --> 00:21:19,140 technology of the app is, is just not that. It's just not. 341 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:26,100 Oh, man, hold on a second, Dave. And so hold on, Dave, when you 342 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:29,580 said you reach a certain point. Okay, do I 343 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:33,870 drop it? Yeah. Okay, you reach a point where the, where it's not 344 00:21:33,870 --> 00:21:38,130 the technology, that's, that's holding the app back. It's not 345 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:41,190 the technology, that's the problem. Because the technology 346 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:46,170 of the app is sound, it's the design, it's the UI, in in, 347 00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:52,380 that's actually much harder in the technology, because, like 348 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,980 designer and good, good UI design is really hard. It's 349 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:03,180 subtle. There's, you know, that's, that's a really that's a 350 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,370 real difficult thing. And we just spent some time talking 351 00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:09,420 about how hard it is. And this is not this is true with all of 352 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:15,030 open source, all of open source that you can tell the difference 353 00:22:15,030 --> 00:22:20,220 between an open source app, and, and one that's not usually in 354 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:25,080 the Polish of the of the UI, and the subtlety of how it 355 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:30,600 interacts. And it's just because the is because designers, they 356 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,390 don't, they're not going to work for free. I mean, there, you got 357 00:22:33,390 --> 00:22:36,780 to pay those guys that are good at it. And they're not, there's 358 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:41,460 not a lot of design help in the open source world. So like, I 359 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:46,470 think some of what, hold back. Let's take an app like pod verse 360 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:56,640 is, it's technologically so solid, but that it's like, I'm 361 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,190 afraid Mitch would have to spend a bunch of money to get a 362 00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:03,900 designer to come to come in and like reorganize the way that it 363 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:10,830 functions in order to make it feel like like an app. See here 364 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,130 in this for the prom, I'm that I'm struggling even even now. 365 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:17,070 Let me help you out. Let me jump in here for a second. So first 366 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:21,600 of all, there's also a time factor, it takes time to create 367 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,260 an app, go back and look at the first iPhone, the first podcast 368 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:29,460 app. And you know, how has that evolved? And of course, it's 369 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:33,240 not, you know, one person just doing all the work himself like 370 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,020 most of the app developers within the group, but they have 371 00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:42,660 entire team. So there is just time, the feedback loop. The 372 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:45,690 benefit, of course of, and I don't think it's open source, 373 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:49,710 per se, I think it's really just maturity, things take time. If 374 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:53,850 you don't have a designer, it's going to take much longer for 375 00:23:54,270 --> 00:23:59,760 you to even get to a point where it's usable. And I'll add to 376 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:06,300 that, I think, who are there's probably 3000 artists, I know 377 00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:10,770 who I can reach out to who do art work for no agenda every 378 00:24:10,770 --> 00:24:13,920 single every single show, some of those people are actual 379 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,360 designers. And I'm quite sure that a number of them would be 380 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:23,250 more than happy to hook partner up with somebody. And maybe they 381 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:25,560 have a little bit of experience. Maybe they have a lot, maybe 382 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,930 they have none. You know, these are the types of things I'm 383 00:24:27,930 --> 00:24:31,890 looking for. Maybe we'll get some new ideas. That doesn't 384 00:24:31,890 --> 00:24:35,700 necessarily have to mean that someone has to go out and hire a 385 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:38,190 designer, we've just this is a good point. I've just never, 386 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,310 never thought of going and looking for them and putting out 387 00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:44,100 the call which I'm going to do and let's see. Let's see who 388 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,880 shows up and anyone who's interested. You know, just shoot 389 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,550 off a mail. They'll just go to podcast index dot social and 390 00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:55,080 request an invite we'll send you one. The problem might have been 391 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,380 maybe I'm misunderstanding is just because the apps aren't 392 00:24:58,620 --> 00:25:02,790 mature. I don't think is a reason to not highlight them and 393 00:25:02,790 --> 00:25:06,180 show people where it's going. I think there's a lot of that, 394 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:08,970 well, the apps not really good yet. Well, that's also not true. 395 00:25:09,330 --> 00:25:13,680 Some of these apps are different. I personally find 396 00:25:13,710 --> 00:25:16,830 some of the standard like Apple, I'd find boring. You know, it's 397 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:19,080 like, I like these new things. They're a little funky, maybe 398 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,110 I'm different. But if we don't expose people to it, and you 399 00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:24,900 have to show both sides, because I could say the exact same for 400 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:28,650 hosting companies, a lot of them are implementing things in ways 401 00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:34,680 that don't make sense to me. So it's you UI UX is on both ends 402 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,190 of the spectrum is as long as and then put it ahead. These are 403 00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:40,590 these are experimental, these are new, but here's where you 404 00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:42,990 can see what's working. Now what's coming. I mean, this 405 00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:47,700 education has to happen. And and I made that point during that 406 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:52,320 dinner, like, that's where the real education of podcasting 2.0 407 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,050 will take place is the hosting companies, they educate their 408 00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:56,280 people all the time. 409 00:25:57,780 --> 00:26:02,220 Yeah, we typed the context. So the context of the conversation 410 00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:07,410 was essentially because because somebody you know, some of them 411 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:13,080 don't want to name it said, we know. Y'all really need to do 412 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,840 some, some thinking about this, because nobody cares. Nobody 413 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,030 cares about this stuff. Nobody cares about these features, all 414 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:24,780 this kind of thing. It was like well, incident that led to the 415 00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:30,120 to the idea of you know, it's just a naysayer. And then that 416 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:35,010 led to the discussion of Whoa, you don't delete the listeners 417 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:39,420 don't care. Because they don't know they're supposed to. Like, 418 00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:44,580 if once you once you see something like pod verse, pop up 419 00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:49,020 a live stream notification, you're like, I don't ever want 420 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,380 that to not be on my phone anymore. Right? Right. But I've 421 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:56,730 never had it. And so like, if you had to describe it to me, 422 00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:02,460 six, you know, six years ago, if you'd describe to me, what about 423 00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:04,590 would you want a live notification to pop up in your 424 00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:07,950 phone when the podcast went, you know, goes live? I'd been like, 425 00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:13,050 maybe? I mean, it wouldn't have been like, super, I would have 426 00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:16,200 been just kind of hohem about it. But then when I see it in 427 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,570 action, and I can actually do it. It's like, yeah, I want that 428 00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:24,840 forever. I want all of my apps to do that. And there's every 429 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,010 one of the podcasts and 2.0 apps. Every one of them has a 430 00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:34,800 feature that I feel like I can't I now can't live without. But I 431 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,000 know that I wanted it before. Yes. Then that led, you know, 432 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,280 and so then that leads to Okay, well, how do you get in the next 433 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,970 step of that this domino, thing is how do you get people to try 434 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:51,000 these things out? And then you know, so that was we were 435 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,860 flipping through and looking at a bunch of different apps. And 436 00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:56,970 it's like, well, this, you know, I want to convince a friend of 437 00:27:56,970 --> 00:28:02,370 mine to use, such as app, it's like the, the people are vain. 438 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:04,470 And that first impression is like, they don't want to give it 439 00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:09,720 a chance. It just is all in this context of like, where's How do 440 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,530 you? How do we get rid of all these sort of vanity adoption 441 00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:14,250 problems? 442 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,000 Well, but But it's, it's all bullshit. And I'll tell you why. 443 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,100 Because I've lived this movie. I lived it for five, six years. 444 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:28,860 This is ridiculous. I got a right click and copy a thing. 445 00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:33,540 What's XML? Like? No one will care. RSS means nothing. This 446 00:28:33,570 --> 00:28:37,680 doesn't make any sense to you who wants to listen to people in 447 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,860 a soliloquy? I've heard it all for five, six years, and it took 448 00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:45,120 a really long time. By the way, we wouldn't eat here's what 449 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:55,260 could possibly happen. Now, someone like NPR, PBS. So there 450 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:58,230 could be an entity that just decides to start using one of 451 00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:02,070 these and I mean, I don't see you if I were if I had NPR is 452 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:06,540 money. I would you know, and I was smart, not like the Pocket 453 00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:09,750 Cast deal. You know, I would whip up something that just 454 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:13,320 worked for my NPR podcast with all these features. You know 455 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,190 that anything like that can happen. Podcasting works in 456 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:20,400 these very, there's there's something that just goes viral 457 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,350 about them and it's typically content related. I'll just 458 00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:30,540 remind everybody that podcasting was the darling of the media. It 459 00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:34,560 was beautiful. This is the future money was flowing. And 460 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,340 then we got YouTube Facebook, Twitter and no one as there was 461 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:43,140 it No, it's a shit about podcasting Facebook. Okay. I'm 462 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:47,490 not kidding. It really it really was a YouTube now he's got to be 463 00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,160 all video that no one cares about audio. It's video now. In 464 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,320 fact, I allowed myself also to be persuaded and we even changed 465 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,780 the name of the company from pod show to me vo to pander to The 466 00:30:00,810 --> 00:30:04,920 venture capital and the industry. Oh yeah, we do video. 467 00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:08,280 Now, of course, we actually doing video podcasts which are 468 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:11,520 quite impossible with storage and bandwidth. And it was just 469 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,600 the whole thing was nuts. But it was also a mistake. And then in 470 00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:19,950 was it 2016? What brought podcasting back to the 471 00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:24,840 forefront? Was cereal. And the reason why was a beautiful 472 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:30,000 confluence of events, where we'd all just gotten to Oh, yeah, 473 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,060 let's just add the Netflix into that. Oh, my God, we don't have 474 00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:35,730 to wait. We're streaming. We're binging. It's great. We're 475 00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:44,610 binging five seasons of House of Cards and just just binging and 476 00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:46,860 then all of a sudden here was something granted murder 477 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:52,170 mystery. True Crime. Very compelling topic. People like 478 00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:55,680 that. So it was content. And the fact literally that you had to 479 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,070 wait a week, this would this was a whole new feeling for people. 480 00:30:59,070 --> 00:31:03,090 Oh, boy, I can't get it. I have to wait. Oh, I can't wait. And 481 00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:07,620 that catapulted podcasting. Back into the stratosphere. You've 482 00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:12,630 got to give Joe Rogan his props. Who's who helped many people 483 00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:15,660 start their podcasts. But this is so it's all content driven? 484 00:31:18,030 --> 00:31:22,350 Yeah. It's funny, because that the talk the toll that you and I 485 00:31:22,350 --> 00:31:25,530 did, I guess it was God, it feels like an eternity ago. Now. 486 00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:30,150 I guess Wednesday? Yeah, that's what we did. Then. I used 487 00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:35,250 screenshots of a lot of the different apps. So we will talk 488 00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:38,190 about and like that. It was, that was good. Yeah, we talked 489 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:40,680 about features. Okay, here's a feature. And then here's a 490 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,850 screenshot of that of an of the this feature in action in an 491 00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:49,680 app. And I've gotten a bunch of feedback of people saying, they 492 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,090 really appreciated seeing those screenshots, because they're 493 00:31:54,090 --> 00:32:00,120 not, they're not using the apps. And so they're like, oh, it kind 494 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,680 of understood the concept of the person tag. But when I see it up 495 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,820 on the screen, in the app, I'm like, Oh, now I get it. Now I 496 00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:15,300 get why that's a good feature. And that's, so they're all these 497 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:19,230 features arrived, these features. These features are 498 00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:24,900 exciting to people. But you can't, I guess you can't, you 499 00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:25,800 can't force it. 500 00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,550 You can't force it. But you have the hosting companies have to 501 00:32:29,550 --> 00:32:32,880 show the other side. They're not. They're doing things but 502 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,340 they're not. It's not in their DNA, to say here's, you know, 503 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,970 however they need to communicate it. I don't think anyone's 504 00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:43,740 really doing that. Well, the pot 505 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:46,140 and you in what you always say the podcaster has to do it too. 506 00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:50,430 But the podcast is they need to find out about it, they need to 507 00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:53,580 know what supported, you know, the people get into a rhythm of 508 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:56,550 flow, they don't want to I don't know what that is yet. So 509 00:32:56,580 --> 00:33:00,270 there's that piece. And I just want to warn everybody, if 510 00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:04,620 you're still doing this to get Apple on board, it's it's 511 00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:08,460 misguided energy, they'll come if they feel like it. And if 512 00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:11,340 they don't, they won't, but it doesn't mean that it's has no 513 00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:16,410 reason to exist. You don't need those guys. You can make your 514 00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:19,140 customers very, very happy with the end people are out there 515 00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:22,650 learning. You know, Dave, we've been doing the numbers, 516 00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:24,480 everyone's been talking about the numbers, let's just let's 517 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:32,340 just be, let's just be 100 about this fire. There's very few 518 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:36,480 active podcasts, it's really a much smaller number. Now there's 519 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,480 a lot of things that update slowly over time, there's 520 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,190 archival stuff, but in general shows that are lively, have 521 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:48,090 communities that that follow along from week to week, or 522 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:53,490 whatever it is, it's not a huge number. So there's plenty, 523 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,390 plenty of room plenty of opportunity. I was 524 00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:01,740 so I was doing scrolling through some sessions yesterday, just 525 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:06,240 trying to find let's try and find stuff. Interesting things 526 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,200 and also stuff to mock and laugh at. So there's there's equal 527 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:16,380 amounts of both here, which is great. So, but I went into a 528 00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:22,140 session from Rob Walsh at Lipson and he was saying it like, the 529 00:34:22,140 --> 00:34:25,860 beginning of the session was about how the 4 million number 530 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:33,480 the 4 million plus number in podcasting is is bullshit. I'm 531 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,830 like, okay, whatever. So then he says, but his point was is 532 00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:40,740 pointless valid. He's like, you know, if you think you're going 533 00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:42,960 up against 4 million podcasts, you're really not going up 534 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,810 against 4 million podcasts you're going up about you're 535 00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:49,470 gonna really against about 480 Something 1000 Because that's 536 00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:52,590 the number that's consistently in the 90 day range roughly. 537 00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:54,120 I think that's it. 538 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,660 If you start pairing that down, you start getting more specific 539 00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:02,160 and you exclude radio shows that rebroadcast weekly sermons from 540 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,150 churches, if you start, if you really pare the number down, you 541 00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:11,070 can get that down to about 150,000 shows that are actively 542 00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:16,470 publishing on a regular basis. Those are those are yours. So, 543 00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:20,280 you know, don't think of it this way. But if you wanted to think 544 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,010 of it this way, those are your competitors. You know, like, if 545 00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:26,640 you're trying to get into pocket, that's fair, okay. Fair 546 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,970 enough. Fair number. That, that shows you that those that 547 00:35:32,970 --> 00:35:37,140 number, you know, the ecosystem is actually is actually quite 548 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:43,980 small. Yeah. In in, so just a little bit of voice can make a 549 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:48,120 big can move the needle Allah like you, you, you highlight on 550 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,030 no agenda each week, you highlight a different podcast, 551 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:57,660 app 2.0. App. And we know from the people from the from the app 552 00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:01,110 developers manage and Steven B. And we know that when when, when 553 00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:04,500 you do when you mentioned, one, it moves the needle, I mean, 554 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,310 they get new users. I mean, you know, like, sometimes a large 555 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:13,590 amount of new users. So just just having, you know, talking 556 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:18,690 about it in the podcasters, podcasters, have to have to 557 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:23,100 understand this. If you tell your audience, you know, I 558 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,340 really want you to go try out this app, because it's a really 559 00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:30,900 great experience to listen to our show, they will do it. Yep. 560 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,390 They will do it. And and, and it does, it makes a difference. And 561 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:39,630 then that, that brings these apps up, it allows them to get 562 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:44,670 to get bigger, have more of more, you know, opportunity, 563 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,670 like they have premium they get that gives them more money to do 564 00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:52,410 better design is just it. It all starts with the message just 565 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:53,670 like it does for value for value. 566 00:36:54,059 --> 00:36:57,419 Well, and yes, it does. And now this is a question of how on my 567 00:36:57,419 --> 00:37:04,589 list, we are almost at episode 100 199. So I'm going to ask you 568 00:37:04,589 --> 00:37:08,549 this question. Now. Since it's been, we've been doing this 569 00:37:08,549 --> 00:37:12,779 almost two years. I think this this is this is a big thing that 570 00:37:12,809 --> 00:37:17,609 people overlook this. And you know, there's always ongoing 571 00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:22,229 discussions about value for value versus tipping versus no 572 00:37:22,229 --> 00:37:25,349 one sends me any money is, you know, on and on and on and on. 573 00:37:25,469 --> 00:37:29,399 It's like we we've we've seen all the reasons people want to 574 00:37:29,399 --> 00:37:34,589 fail. I want to ask you, Dave Jones, for the past two years, 575 00:37:34,949 --> 00:37:37,889 how has your value for value experience been? 576 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,199 That was not the question. I thought you were going to ask 577 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:46,709 me, that's 578 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,270 maybe a very hard question for you to answer. But when we 579 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:56,460 started this program, this show we started the, the project, you 580 00:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,330 know, I convinced you and you had it, you took no convincing, 581 00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:02,730 I said dude will do this value for value. That's how we stay 582 00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:07,620 independent. It'll work you watch. So I think we both agree 583 00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:10,050 that it worked, because you know, we hold our head above 584 00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:13,950 water. But in general, just you know, the whole from beginning 585 00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:17,910 to end from because we've we started asking for Pay Pal, 586 00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:20,640 we've actually, as the first project I've been involved in 587 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,500 transitioned over to full on value for value SATs, not full 588 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,050 on because we still have monthlies and big and we do have 589 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,280 supporters who come in with like a $500. Pay Pal for a month, 590 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640 which is great, but it's all still value for value, have 591 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,870 never having done it. I'd like to kind of hear about your 592 00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:43,740 experience and your experience with it. 593 00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:48,600 I think my experience it. There's an analogy here that I 594 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,290 can't quite put my finger on but and maybe it'll come to me in a 595 00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:58,260 minute. But the I think my experience is that it took a 596 00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:06,030 while to understand. Like it took probably months, maybe a 597 00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:12,090 year before I finally understood the full, like the full scope of 598 00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:18,540 what it meant. Because you get the vet value for value is about 599 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,270 is about the full feedback loop. And you said that from the 600 00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:27,840 beginning, but sometimes it just takes a while to get it in your 601 00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:33,060 to like see it to visualize it. Now I can explain value for 602 00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:37,620 value and it does. Effortless. I just I can just do it to anyone 603 00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:40,950 who asks, I can give them the full rundown of how of how the 604 00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:45,060 concept works. But in the in in the early days, I was like well, 605 00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:51,510 it's about it's about giving your content away, and then 606 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:54,750 asking your audience to give you back the value. It's about not 607 00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:59,970 putting it behind a paywall. It's about it's about not care. 608 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,610 hoping the prize or I would always just get sort of get 609 00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:07,560 focused in on one aspect of it and lose the big picture of what 610 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:17,310 of what the whole thing is. And that's, I think the maturity of 611 00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:21,090 my understanding of what value for value is. Took a long time, 612 00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:26,310 because now, I'm finally not, I don't get it pigeonholed anymore 613 00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:32,640 I can, I can just see the whole thing. It is the, because people 614 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:39,270 will say it like it also what, you know, I people don't value 615 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,780 my content, or, you know, I can't just give away my content 616 00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:45,990 or the you know, there's, they're saying, they're 617 00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:48,960 essentially saying that they're that they don't feel valued when 618 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,880 they don't, if they don't charge something, or if they don't have 619 00:40:55,170 --> 00:41:03,690 control over the price. But that's, you, you never the 620 00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:08,040 problem there is you never had control over the price. This, 621 00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:11,790 this is the thing that people that people miss, I believe, is 622 00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:15,420 that they think that by putting a price on something, or putting 623 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:19,260 it behind a subscription, or whatever, they think that that 624 00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:23,460 means that they are in control of how much people pay them. But 625 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:28,530 that's, that's, that's not true. You, you're still not in 626 00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:32,460 control, because people just won't buy your product. They're 627 00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:36,870 just, they're just not you can have a lemonade stand and charge 628 00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:42,840 $1 per cup. And think, well, I'm now in control of the pricing. 629 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:47,880 And I'm now I can, I'm controlling my income, but 630 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,230 you've missed the, the the 47 people that come by and buy a 631 00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:56,100 cup of lemonade. That's great. But what about the 125 people 632 00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,830 that just walk by never do it because that dollars too much? 633 00:41:59,370 --> 00:42:04,050 Or, or they they walk by in the opposite end of that they walk 634 00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:07,050 by and they say this like $1 for a cup was like that must not be 635 00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:12,900 very good. And I keep walking by like your, your, your exclude 636 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:19,980 your desire for control over what you over the over the value 637 00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:25,890 proposition is eliminating, you're putting on your future 638 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:31,590 potential earnings. Because you're excluding people. You 639 00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:33,150 think you're not but you are. 640 00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:39,420 It's, it's it is a different frame of mind. And I mean once 641 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:42,060 you can kind of get over that and it is big and but you know, 642 00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:45,900 talk to some people talk to Jen Briony, she told me what she's 643 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,660 doing per episode, she and her husband are not nomads, they 644 00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:51,180 they love staying in hotels all over the world, they'll stay for 645 00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:55,440 a month or two. And you know, she's, we start her on value for 646 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,410 value divorce actually coached the hell out of her for as long 647 00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:02,160 as I can remember. And, and she's and there's a number of 648 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,850 people who are doing it very successfully. We you have to get 649 00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:09,600 over it. You just have to erase the thinking. It's to me, it's, 650 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:14,160 it's another part of like, Rancors. You know, the the only 651 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,950 is like, Oh, this you have to be on the chart. You have to be 652 00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:21,810 number one. It's none of its true. None of it is true. We 653 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,350 this show is not even submitted to Apple podcasts. You can't get 654 00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:29,310 me you have to subscribe manually. It's not there. And 655 00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,440 yet, all you have to do is go ahead. 656 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,140 We have 200 we have 250 subscribers. The only subscriber 657 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:40,560 count I know is overcast, because he puts that in as user 658 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,180 agents so we can see it. We have 250 people that subscribe to us 659 00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:52,020 on overcast, overcast is purely dependent on the iTunes 660 00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:56,970 directory for the source of its podcast feeds. We're not in app 661 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,940 in it in the Apple podcast directory. So that means 250 662 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:07,920 People just on overcast just on overcast, I copied and pasted 663 00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:13,350 our feed off of podcasts index.org and put it copied it 664 00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:19,710 and pasted it into overcast. That's the only way to do 250 665 00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:24,960 People in 2022 Yeah, that's hilarious. That cracks me up to 666 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,420 no end. And that tells you how how far people are willing to go 667 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,630 to get the content that they want and how much they value it. 668 00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:41,399 You know, the this is going to be a weird analogy. But for me 669 00:44:41,429 --> 00:44:44,459 because I've been doing value for value for so long, it's 670 00:44:44,459 --> 00:44:48,329 second nature, but the experience of trying something 671 00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:52,199 and then it works something that you are convinced or you you 672 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,229 have a bias an unconscious bias because you know you think oh 673 00:44:55,229 --> 00:44:57,569 you have to be number one you got to be on the charts you got 674 00:44:57,569 --> 00:45:00,239 to have you know this many downloads you got to get to ad 675 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,959 networks, whatever it is, or, or, you know, yeah, easy for you 676 00:45:03,959 --> 00:45:06,479 to say, but drive them curries. So lots of people want to give 677 00:45:06,479 --> 00:45:14,579 you money. Okay, no. But for me, I had this type of experience 678 00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:19,499 not too long ago. And it's like, you don't really realize how 679 00:45:19,499 --> 00:45:24,749 prayer works until you try it and something works. You know, 680 00:45:24,779 --> 00:45:28,799 it's like, oh, okay, hold on a second, there may be something 681 00:45:28,799 --> 00:45:32,909 to this. Yeah, that that kind of surprise. Experience is what you 682 00:45:32,909 --> 00:45:37,769 get with value for value when you try it. And when you when 683 00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:42,419 you ask, and people, it's amazing every single time. I 684 00:45:42,419 --> 00:45:46,709 mean, I'm blown away. When Marco gives us $500 a month, and like 685 00:45:46,739 --> 00:45:48,869 that, that still blows me away. 686 00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:55,109 That I guess the biggest voice, the biggest voice this bid, 687 00:45:55,259 --> 00:46:00,089 there's been really vocal about, you know, I won't say it's anti 688 00:46:00,089 --> 00:46:05,849 value failures, just like about giving against giving away your 689 00:46:05,849 --> 00:46:11,279 content for free, is the tenor Campbell guy. And he's just, you 690 00:46:11,279 --> 00:46:13,739 know, he just rails about a can give your way your content for 691 00:46:13,739 --> 00:46:17,729 free listeners suck. They do. They just want you know, they 692 00:46:17,729 --> 00:46:19,949 don't really have been trained, they've been trained not to give 693 00:46:19,949 --> 00:46:23,399 you an you know, not to value you. And that kind of in that's 694 00:46:24,509 --> 00:46:27,299 Understand, understand that you would get there. Because when 695 00:46:27,299 --> 00:46:31,619 he, when he explains it, I'm like, Oh, sure, I understand how 696 00:46:31,619 --> 00:46:35,939 you're thinking would land you at that place. But the value for 697 00:46:35,939 --> 00:46:41,699 value mindset, the read, you've never mind, my responses, you've 698 00:46:41,699 --> 00:46:46,319 never tried it, you've never actually tried it. Because the 699 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:53,219 big to me, the biggest issue with value for value is that you 700 00:46:53,219 --> 00:46:57,539 are let you, you, the content creator are telling the world 701 00:46:58,709 --> 00:47:04,349 that you value your content. You're saying you're expressing 702 00:47:04,349 --> 00:47:09,689 to the world, how much you care and value your content. And that 703 00:47:09,689 --> 00:47:14,309 lets them pick up on it. If you give it away for free, and you 704 00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:19,439 never ask, and you never tell how much value that you think 705 00:47:19,439 --> 00:47:24,359 the content is worth. How do you expect them to know? Yeah. Oh, 706 00:47:25,859 --> 00:47:26,249 yeah, 707 00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:31,860 it's another part of the it's a little frustrating that we don't 708 00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:34,890 need to worry too much about this. But you know, it's just 709 00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:37,740 like, well, we need this to get really adopted, we need 710 00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:40,860 adoption. We need to have this people talking. And that's just 711 00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:44,790 not how it that's just not how it will ever work. You know, 712 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,830 that type of instant gratification adoption. You 713 00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:54,180 know, YouTube spends millions of dollars to promote their YouTube 714 00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:58,620 page, Twitter, everyone's trying to do something. They have 715 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:06,180 massive scale, but it's like 10 things take time. They just do 716 00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:09,240 and podcasting is it's just historically because it's 717 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,120 decentralized because a lot of moving pieces have to come 718 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,220 together. There is no shortcut. And look at how far we've come 719 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,610 from two years ago. Two years ago ah, this is just some crazy 720 00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:27,000 nut job Republican right wing thing for the Curry's doing he 721 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,030 trying to get to where we are today where we have apps and 722 00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:38,610 hosting companies and you know, multiple wallet providers 723 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,890 jumping in, you know, so it's working, but I don't it's just 724 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,250 it's just irritates me to be like, well, you know, Joey it's 725 00:48:47,250 --> 00:48:50,220 still the will Appalachians apples to apples. They don't. 726 00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:52,470 Yeah, they don't 727 00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:58,380 feel like I feel like this is the down the downslope of the of 728 00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:02,340 the emotional roller coaster of this conference. Where it's 729 00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:05,640 like, we're just, yeah, we're just bitching about podcast 730 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,030 consulting is really what this all is. Yeah. You said it from 731 00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:12,330 day one. You're like, you're like you like half the people 732 00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:16,710 hear just podcasts, consultants and 100 per century is like Oh 733 00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:26,580 can we get a booster grip? Please tell me got a booster 734 00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:27,300 grab? No. 735 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,430 Yeah, it's just inevitable that after like three or four days of 736 00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:38,820 this, you're just like, oh, oh my god. Can we please stop 737 00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:42,090 talking about monetization strategies? And you know, all 738 00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:42,390 this 739 00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:45,240 bull crap? Yes. Yes. 740 00:49:45,269 --> 00:49:47,309 But I mean, we're talking about some tech stuff. Yeah, 741 00:49:47,309 --> 00:49:52,289 I did want to say that just to wind it up. It's a very human 742 00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:55,199 trait. People are always looking for ways to explain why they 743 00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:59,279 will fail. You know, this. This is just it's very typical. It's 744 00:49:59,279 --> 00:50:02,579 an I understand And but I just want I'm just going to keep 745 00:50:02,579 --> 00:50:07,589 hammering it that we continue to. I love it just we need to 746 00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:11,549 lift all voices, lift all apps, lift everybody up, make sure 747 00:50:11,549 --> 00:50:14,489 you're promoting everybody else that's, you know, in these 748 00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:17,669 charts and Rancors they just have no place in the New 749 00:50:17,669 --> 00:50:22,979 International lifestyle of value for value. I wanted to give some 750 00:50:22,979 --> 00:50:28,709 feedback I was looking at this is tech stuff before. I would 751 00:50:28,709 --> 00:50:30,509 hope that the road was here. 752 00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:32,910 I were they not I? 753 00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,999 I mean, I don't know if they are I haven't. Is there? Is there 754 00:50:35,999 --> 00:50:39,329 another floor that I should be walking? Have this come up? Are 755 00:50:39,329 --> 00:50:43,139 you looking for the expo hall? Maybe that's well, maybe that's 756 00:50:43,139 --> 00:50:44,129 what I was looking for? 757 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,610 Yeah, we're all the world of booth, like the the bevy of 758 00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:48,210 booths or 759 00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:50,760 I'm afraid to walk through there now after what I said yesterday 760 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,210 on the show. Yeah. Punch me. 761 00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:56,489 They may ask you to leave 762 00:50:56,579 --> 00:51:01,019 politely Yes. Because I'm harming others. Mr. Curry, 763 00:51:01,289 --> 00:51:03,239 can we have a discussion, please. So I 764 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,419 have, I have one piece of feedback for for road on there 765 00:51:06,419 --> 00:51:10,649 otherwise excellent road caster Pro two years my only request to 766 00:51:10,649 --> 00:51:16,709 date. So they have a channel, a separate channel for the pads. 767 00:51:16,889 --> 00:51:20,219 And I like the pads because I can, you know, hit my bell when 768 00:51:20,219 --> 00:51:24,329 I don't have my bell. You know, it's muscle memory, right? So 769 00:51:24,329 --> 00:51:27,779 these are big, rubbery things. So, you know, it's like, I can 770 00:51:27,779 --> 00:51:31,949 hit that and in my hand knows where to go. And that's, and I 771 00:51:31,949 --> 00:51:38,129 love it. The problem is, there's no apparent way to apply any 772 00:51:38,129 --> 00:51:43,379 processing to that channel. So any so here and this is what I 773 00:51:43,379 --> 00:51:47,519 mean, I'm going to give you an example. So this is coming from 774 00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:52,829 the pad boost. This is coming from my own system running 775 00:51:52,829 --> 00:51:57,719 through a process channel. Boost. Boost, I don't hear that 776 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,659 much right there actually, is not a great example difference 777 00:52:01,409 --> 00:52:05,249 that I hear it's not a great example. Okay. But because you 778 00:52:05,249 --> 00:52:09,209 don't have compressor limiter, you can't really push it and 779 00:52:09,209 --> 00:52:12,509 push the quieter spots don't get, you know, brought up 780 00:52:12,509 --> 00:52:16,649 automatically. It's just an oversight, obviously, you know, 781 00:52:16,649 --> 00:52:19,559 it's like I you know, yeah, we need to be able to process that 782 00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:24,419 one too. That's the only thing I need rode. Okay, all right. How 783 00:52:24,419 --> 00:52:24,629 about you 784 00:52:25,350 --> 00:52:29,280 make a clip make a clip of that and put it on put and send it to 785 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:36,840 road this is okay. All right. We got we got to do this. We've got 786 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:43,470 to take the the awful air horn thing. Yeah, whatever that 787 00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:47,070 whatever that is. Yeah, we've got to hide it into Hilah pad 788 00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:48,750 with with a magic no magic 789 00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:50,880 number this fires it. Yeah. 790 00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:54,480 gotta you gotta send us boost until you hit the magic number 791 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,320 and then you get the proper you get that thing. And we're not 792 00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,830 going to tell 793 00:52:58,830 --> 00:53:00,570 it. Just get a good one there. That was great. 794 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:06,959 I'm getting better. I'm getting better. Okay, so we should I was 795 00:53:06,959 --> 00:53:14,189 talking to Mike from IV, IV AP History iv.fm. And he was 796 00:53:14,189 --> 00:53:16,979 bringing up that we should he was like, Hey, I'm think we 797 00:53:16,979 --> 00:53:23,159 should rebroadcast pod pings. Like and when he means the so 798 00:53:23,879 --> 00:53:25,769 he's like, you know, they're not at not all the hosting companies 799 00:53:25,769 --> 00:53:29,009 are doing it yet. And so there's no there's always a large 800 00:53:29,009 --> 00:53:34,919 portion of the feed of episode discovery that we is like if I 801 00:53:34,919 --> 00:53:39,629 just if we discover an episode faster than y'all do, we could 802 00:53:39,959 --> 00:53:43,469 send that back out into pod paying, if we just discovered it 803 00:53:43,469 --> 00:53:47,819 organically you know, through feed polling. We could send that 804 00:53:47,849 --> 00:53:52,319 out onto pod paying. And then everybody gets the benefit of 805 00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:57,719 seat of us of seeing it in a bit and so maybe through that 806 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:04,589 process, everything would be faster so we talked it out for 807 00:54:04,649 --> 00:54:08,939 for a while. In a month the first concern there is that 808 00:54:08,939 --> 00:54:12,419 you're going to get into a pod pain circle then you're gonna 809 00:54:12,419 --> 00:54:16,499 get into an endless loop because he knows I'm gonna see the pod 810 00:54:16,499 --> 00:54:21,959 pain come through find the find an episode rebroadcast the 811 00:54:21,959 --> 00:54:25,259 episode and it's just gonna be like, you know, you get you're 812 00:54:25,259 --> 00:54:29,789 gonna DDoS the whole pod paying network, get get feed, that's 813 00:54:29,789 --> 00:54:34,979 not gonna get fit in and fix that part. But then the other 814 00:54:35,459 --> 00:54:39,809 thing is you don't necessarily want if people find it at 815 00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:45,479 different times. Let's just say that we're polling IVs polling. 816 00:54:47,279 --> 00:54:49,889 I don't know who else would pull a list Okay, let's say Pocket 817 00:54:49,889 --> 00:54:53,399 Casts. I think they run their own index. internally. Let's 818 00:54:53,399 --> 00:54:56,909 just say that they pole and we get them on board. A few 819 00:54:56,909 --> 00:54:59,669 different different people in their in their rebroadcasting 820 00:54:59,669 --> 00:55:02,249 these things I think what we need, I think it will work. And 821 00:55:02,249 --> 00:55:08,549 I think it's a good idea. But I think what we need and I need to 822 00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:12,629 talk to Alex and Brian about this is a, perhaps a reason 823 00:55:12,629 --> 00:55:18,779 code. And the reason code would be something like found. So it 824 00:55:18,779 --> 00:55:22,499 would indicate, here's a pod, it would say, here's a pod paying, 825 00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:26,249 right? For a feed update. But it's not. But this feed update 826 00:55:26,249 --> 00:55:31,889 didn't is not canonical from the source of the feed. It's It was 827 00:55:31,889 --> 00:55:36,719 discovered organically, somewhere else within the piping 828 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,729 network. And so when when I see a pod pain that comes through 829 00:55:41,729 --> 00:55:45,359 with a reason code of have found or discovered or whatever this 830 00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:50,579 thing is, I would know that I could treat it differently. I 831 00:55:50,579 --> 00:55:53,939 would know that I now, okay, now, this is just somebody else 832 00:55:53,939 --> 00:55:59,489 telling me they found something too. I can look. I know, I know, 833 00:55:59,489 --> 00:56:03,209 number one not to rebroadcast it, right, because to keep the 834 00:56:03,209 --> 00:56:08,459 circle from happening, but then I would also know that I could 835 00:56:08,459 --> 00:56:11,549 treat it a little bit differently. I could say, Okay, 836 00:56:11,609 --> 00:56:16,049 I may have already discovered this. So I can look at try to do 837 00:56:16,049 --> 00:56:21,899 some time stamp, caching, maybe a cooldown period, something 838 00:56:21,899 --> 00:56:27,059 like that. I think it can work. And so in the benefit here is 839 00:56:27,059 --> 00:56:29,489 that we're never going to be able to reach all hosts. Right. 840 00:56:29,489 --> 00:56:34,319 So you get 4 million feeds. And we we can get a lot of of 841 00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:35,879 hosting companies on board. 842 00:56:36,659 --> 00:56:39,179 That's a really that's a really interesting idea. 843 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,320 I think so. I think so. I mean, it would just help everybody 844 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,140 would help everybody. Yeah. Because because you're gonna so 845 00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:52,770 some, some obscure podcast host in, you know, Bulgaria that, 846 00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:58,920 that we just can't really get in touch with and contact. Then 847 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,600 only maybe hosts, you know, 1000 feeds. This would we don't have 848 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,740 to go that far like that. It lets us get the benefit of pod 849 00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:12,180 paying, without having to literally re onboard everybody. 850 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,960 Hundreds of people. Yeah. I like that. Like, 851 00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:20,340 that's a cool idea. Yeah. There's no feedback. There's no 852 00:57:20,340 --> 00:57:23,100 end to the creativity in this shit. I love it. And I love it. 853 00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:28,050 So cool. Now, did I do we talk about Cameron? With IPFS 854 00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:33,690 podcasting that he's looking to? He's got this idea of dynamic 855 00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:39,960 value blocks. Oh, no. So yeah. So his idea is and I think he 856 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,100 has some code to okay, we might want to have him on pretty soon 857 00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:48,300 if he's ready for it and ready to talk about it. Okay. So, the 858 00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:54,810 idea is, since IPF podcasting.com has information 859 00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:59,820 about which node is hosting what which is, has has episodes 860 00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:08,970 pinned in it think he can also know when a node is used to to 861 00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:17,280 access an mp3 file. And the idea here is to dynamically change 862 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:23,040 the value block. So that that node then gets compensated with 863 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,560 X amount determined by you know, whoever, 864 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:27,780 for that session. 865 00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:32,430 So they get a split of the value for value payments. 866 00:58:33,449 --> 00:58:36,989 In this is to compensate the IPFS node for pinning the 867 00:58:37,019 --> 00:58:38,159 correct content, 868 00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:41,310 not just well, not just for the pinning, but for the, for the 869 00:58:41,310 --> 00:58:42,600 ACT for the for the download. 870 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,810 Ah, that's really interesting. 871 00:58:47,369 --> 00:58:51,059 I like by the way, the pinning, pinning by itself is not a bad 872 00:58:51,059 --> 00:58:54,239 idea. Except, you know, you can't, you know, when we get to 873 00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:57,899 like 100 nodes pinned it, that's a problem. But there's always 874 00:58:57,899 --> 00:59:01,679 going to be one or I, who knows, I don't know how to how, who 875 00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:06,629 knows how IPFS works under the hood. So presumably, every node 876 00:59:06,629 --> 00:59:07,919 would get a hit at some point. 877 00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:14,970 You know, who's big on is a big IPFS guy is Alberto from our 878 00:59:14,969 --> 00:59:18,839 node. He's running the big node I know there's a graph you can 879 00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:21,779 look at the graph you see this Oh, it's all connected to 880 00:59:21,809 --> 00:59:26,429 where's it Italy? No, where's it? Where's that node? Spain? 881 00:59:26,459 --> 00:59:29,369 Yeah, they put the node in Spain Yeah, you can you can see it you 882 00:59:29,369 --> 00:59:32,789 can see the all the pinning going on. It makes a lot of 883 00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:33,449 sense. 884 00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:38,460 We were trying to get Cameron and Alberto oh now he's talking 885 00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:43,500 about it Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, like good idea. As they 886 00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:47,160 want to make this better and I agree because the IPFS I'm just 887 00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:51,390 I just get frustrated with it and maybe maybe maybe it's just 888 00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:55,230 me attorney not turned it off. You know, it turned out that the 889 00:59:55,230 --> 00:59:58,440 FS off on the download on the database download because it 890 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,470 just kept crashing all the time. And now it's just HTTPS only. 891 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,300 But I need an image which need to talk to Cameron because I 892 01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,020 feel like I'm missing something if there will, if it's stable 893 01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:16,350 enough for them to do all this stuff with, maybe I'm just an 894 01:00:16,350 --> 01:00:16,740 idiot. 895 01:00:18,420 --> 01:00:21,150 No, now, there's definitely problems. 896 01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:25,950 I'm Will I'm okay. I'm okay, taking that on the chin. I'm 897 01:00:25,950 --> 01:00:27,720 alright. If it's me, it's me as I'm good. 898 01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:34,980 I'm just logging into my IPFS. Podcasting? No, it's me. He's 899 01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:38,850 got some real graphs that oh, yeah, here you go. Like no 900 01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:43,470 agenda. It's it's almost like a ham radio repeater network where 901 01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:46,650 you can see it on the map, who's connected to who? And it's very 902 01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:51,030 interesting. And I guess this is ultimately why filecoin was was 903 01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:56,640 was created to function as some compensation for nodes. But you 904 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,370 know, that's where they leave me. I don't know what the hell 905 01:00:59,370 --> 01:01:02,010 is going on with that. But this seems, if, if we can make it 906 01:01:02,010 --> 01:01:06,990 work like, okay, a download hit from, from this node, you get, 907 01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:09,930 you get the split for the Listen of that episode, which is kind 908 01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:12,720 of fair, because you don't have to count bits and bytes 909 01:01:12,750 --> 01:01:15,810 transferred. We do it in minutes, because you get you're 910 01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:17,820 getting a split per minute, or you're getting a part of the 911 01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:22,290 booster gram. So hey, it's like web three. Oh. 912 01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:29,910 Nice. Yes, yes. Where it's Web. 913 01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:33,300 Web three, baby. The best 914 01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:35,970 kind of web three is when it doesn't have any web three. And 915 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,230 yes, the best one 916 01:01:37,229 --> 01:01:38,369 eautiful, this beautiful 917 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:45,540 chat tag or some sort of chat functionality for the live item 918 01:01:45,570 --> 01:01:52,080 that this is, this is something that we have to do. Because we 919 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,610 thought about the way the way that Steven, Steven B has been 920 01:01:56,610 --> 01:02:03,030 doing it by just off spec, adding a chat URL to the live 921 01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:06,750 attribute to the live item tag, right? So you say okay, well, 922 01:02:06,750 --> 01:02:09,540 here's, here's where the chat lives, and you can just go like 923 01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:14,880 pull it up and an iframe or something. In that that's that 924 01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:18,240 met his needs. But we need to do this in a better way, a more 925 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,290 official way. So that we can have, like social interact, we 926 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:28,650 have multiple protocols, XMPP matrix, right, whatever. And it 927 01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:34,650 just feels like it's needs to be its own tag, instead of trying 928 01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:39,870 to put it into the social interact. I don't know why I 929 01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:44,070 can't give you I cannot defend that. I can't but that 930 01:02:45,449 --> 01:02:46,709 part. Oh, 931 01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:51,329 yeah. Yeah, 932 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,730 sorry. Yes, I, I will if we do it. I mean, there's there's, 933 01:02:57,390 --> 01:03:00,330 from what I understand, a lot of people are jacked on matrix, 934 01:03:00,330 --> 01:03:07,650 which is cool. I think Alex gates specifically is XMPP. So I 935 01:03:07,650 --> 01:03:11,580 just want to make sure that we don't overlook one or be too 936 01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:18,150 biased for another. So you know, it feels like most of the world 937 01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:21,570 that would be all in on this to get it bootstrapped is matrix 938 01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:22,980 and not XMPP. 939 01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:26,609 Z. 940 01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:30,270 That's me, this is completely unscientific. 941 01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:35,370 If you want to meet pod podcasters where they are now, I 942 01:03:35,370 --> 01:03:41,100 would say that it's actually IRC. Because I are seen, yeah, 943 01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:46,440 could see. Okay, think about the landscape as it exists right 944 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,250 now. It's probably the three biggest live streamers in the 945 01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:54,570 podcasting world that I'm aware of. I'm NME pure podcasters. Not 946 01:03:54,570 --> 01:04:00,360 YouTube, Twitch stuff. Pure podcasters is probably you with 947 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:06,420 no Gen Z stream. Twit with their, with their live stuff, 948 01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:11,820 accidental tech, they also have a big live presence. All three 949 01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:17,280 of those, all three of those are IRC based on their chat. And so 950 01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:23,190 I don't please, I would like somebody else to tell me who I'm 951 01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:25,980 missing because I know there's gotta be other live streamers 952 01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:30,660 out there and I would like to know what they're using. But so 953 01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:33,360 that's that's the if you're going to meet with them where 954 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,900 they're at. Now what they're currently doing, we would 955 01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:39,570 support our see first and then add something else. 956 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,930 I like that a lot. I like it as a third option. You're right. 957 01:04:42,930 --> 01:04:47,970 It's our it's already working. And it kind of sets us up to 958 01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:51,750 avoid all the you're doing it with the wrong thing bit because 959 01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:54,000 now everyone will think we're doing it the wrong way. 960 01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:57,630 Yeah, but we're 961 01:04:57,630 --> 01:05:01,200 going that's a very interest Seeing how many of course that's 962 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,760 what lit is already doing that. 963 01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:08,519 Yeah, and there's got to be, I mean, IRC is so old, that 964 01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:11,249 there's got to be lots of libraries out there that are 965 01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:16,499 available that will be easy to integrate. If a chat if, if an 966 01:05:16,499 --> 01:05:20,609 app wanted to give full on integration, right in the app, 967 01:05:21,689 --> 01:05:26,129 where you know, that you can get, you can swipe over to the 968 01:05:26,129 --> 01:05:33,479 chat window, or the chat screen from so, like, I like I like 969 01:05:33,479 --> 01:05:35,999 yeah, you're you're swiping back and forth from 970 01:05:36,389 --> 01:05:39,929 well, that's okay. This is a great example. By the way Harv 971 01:05:39,929 --> 01:05:44,129 had says Twitch is also IRC based only obfuscated more. 972 01:05:44,489 --> 01:05:48,359 Blair Yeah. Because here's the here's what happens. Oh, this is 973 01:05:48,359 --> 01:05:53,969 very interesting. So the no agenda chat has been around for 974 01:05:53,999 --> 01:05:59,069 13 years I think. And it was initially just an IRC channel 975 01:05:59,429 --> 01:06:03,629 and it was always there for you know, for for live during the 976 01:06:03,629 --> 01:06:09,839 show during the during the shows, but the no agenda chat is 977 01:06:09,869 --> 01:06:13,679 active 24 hours a day, and the no agenda chat added there. Oh, 978 01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:16,319 the stream I never came up with that even the chat wasn't my 979 01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:20,699 idea. But there's a community that lives in the no agenda chat 980 01:06:20,729 --> 01:06:23,699 all the time. I mean, I'm logged in most of the time and take a 981 01:06:23,699 --> 01:06:29,369 look see what people are saying. That's a really good I like I as 982 01:06:29,369 --> 01:06:32,099 again, it's like everybody will say we're using the wrong stuff. 983 01:06:32,099 --> 01:06:33,839 That's that's the way to go. Then you know, you're on the 984 01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:39,059 right path. Yeah, it's my political. I like it. By the way 985 01:06:39,059 --> 01:06:43,529 meet us also said I think we have 2.4 120 400 subscribers 986 01:06:43,529 --> 01:06:49,829 subscribers on what was it? Podcast? Attic. Oh, really? 987 01:06:49,859 --> 01:06:52,079 Yeah. Yeah. Bad people. People 988 01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,199 are listening. That is he found that out. Is it? Oh, no, no, 989 01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:57,270 I don't know when someone tells me something like that. I just 990 01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:58,740 take it as truth facts. 991 01:06:59,579 --> 01:07:02,909 Now. Anyway, we're global. We've gone global. 992 01:07:03,449 --> 01:07:06,449 So we talked about Ellen URL mafia for a moment just to 993 01:07:06,449 --> 01:07:08,189 understand where we are with those guys. 994 01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:11,850 When you say Ellen URL mafia, you're referring to the lazy ass 995 01:07:11,849 --> 01:07:15,449 bitches. Yes. The ones just like the eath maxis? Yes. 996 01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,740 So you call it you call them lazy ass pitches, which, which 997 01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:23,310 allowed allowed me to say that the Ellen URL mafia telegram 998 01:07:23,310 --> 01:07:26,820 channel is the lab is the lab of where Ellen URL is built 999 01:07:26,849 --> 01:07:29,339 lazy as pitches yay. Yes. 1000 01:07:32,489 --> 01:07:35,249 By the way, they take that as a badge of honor. I know I love 1001 01:07:35,249 --> 01:07:36,209 that you called them there. 1002 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:42,780 Yeah, they were I saw it. Yes. So a little bit of history when 1003 01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:47,850 I first started looking at value for value in a layer two, and I 1004 01:07:47,850 --> 01:07:51,360 didn't know what layer two was. The first two things I looked at 1005 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:58,050 were LSAT, which is an API layer, payment authorization 1006 01:07:58,050 --> 01:08:02,070 token that has to be paid for. And I spent a lot of time with 1007 01:08:02,070 --> 01:08:05,850 Ellen URL, or specifically Ellen bits. And I was fascinated by 1008 01:08:05,850 --> 01:08:09,780 these extensions that they have, which also included tipping, and 1009 01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:13,110 some other things. And, and but you know, every way I looked at 1010 01:08:13,110 --> 01:08:17,250 it, you still had invoices that need to be generated, and it was 1011 01:08:17,250 --> 01:08:21,480 above my technical hat, or something I couldn't just do 1012 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,990 myself is to be, which means if I have to set up something on an 1013 01:08:25,050 --> 01:08:28,770 on a web server, then no, I'm not gonna do it. And then I 1014 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,810 found key send. And for me, as a broadcaster was like, Oh, this 1015 01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:37,440 makes so much sense. You just spewing it. And if someone 1016 01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:41,430 doesn't have their receiver on tough luck, you know. So it made 1017 01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:44,520 a lot of sense for me as a broadcaster. But Ellen, you were 1018 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,750 always we look, I looked at extensively, I didn't see it 1019 01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:55,980 being as easy as key send. But it was definitely up there. And 1020 01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:59,340 so from a technical level, and you hadn't looked at any of this 1021 01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:02,340 stuff back then you were you were building the index while I 1022 01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:05,880 was doing this stuff. And now that you have a much deeper 1023 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,050 understanding of the technology than I do, is you ln URL viable 1024 01:09:10,050 --> 01:09:11,010 in any way. 1025 01:09:12,150 --> 01:09:15,810 In your specific you're specifically talking about and I 1026 01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:16,200 want to be 1027 01:09:16,410 --> 01:09:18,360 Elon Euro P, I guess right? 1028 01:09:18,389 --> 01:09:27,479 He yell in URL PE is what is what is it? It is viable for 1029 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,489 booster grams, only. It will never work for streaming 1030 01:09:32,489 --> 01:09:36,779 payments, it just can't. Right, it can't work that you're you're 1031 01:09:36,779 --> 01:09:41,669 going to do streaming payments. So to describe this for Ellen 1032 01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:45,719 URL is a really easy thing to understand. So it's like putting 1033 01:09:45,719 --> 01:09:50,639 a web server in front of your node. So that because what the 1034 01:09:50,639 --> 01:09:55,319 way, the way lightning works by default, is it's invoice based. 1035 01:09:55,709 --> 01:09:59,969 So the way it's supposed to work is I want Adam to pay me 10 1036 01:09:59,999 --> 01:10:05,099 bugs, I generate an invoice for 10 bucks, I send that invoice to 1037 01:10:05,099 --> 01:10:09,989 Adam. And he in he his wallet pays it, and then it settles. 1038 01:10:10,469 --> 01:10:14,189 That's the way lightning is was in the beginning and it still 1039 01:10:14,189 --> 01:10:19,649 operates by default, then later, there is this need this need 1040 01:10:19,649 --> 01:10:24,929 arose for, for invoice list payments, where I could send, I 1041 01:10:24,929 --> 01:10:30,299 could send money from my node to another node without having to 1042 01:10:30,299 --> 01:10:34,349 have that the destination node generate an invoice beforehand. 1043 01:10:34,619 --> 01:10:37,559 Because it's like, that's the way it is with with Venmo. I can 1044 01:10:37,559 --> 01:10:40,079 just Venmo you some money, I don't have to have you generate 1045 01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:44,699 an invoice and send it to me. You can but you don't have to. 1046 01:10:45,689 --> 01:10:49,499 That's so when that was developed that the original 1047 01:10:49,499 --> 01:10:56,579 incarnation of that was key send in key send is uses uses on the 1048 01:10:56,579 --> 01:11:00,779 fly, sort of dummy invoices. So when a key send payment comes 1049 01:11:00,779 --> 01:11:06,779 in, it just receives it as a sort of like a dummy invoice 1050 01:11:06,779 --> 01:11:09,539 type of thing that it just generates just to have something 1051 01:11:09,659 --> 01:11:18,509 just to have a hash. The Ellen URL was a variation of a 1052 01:11:18,509 --> 01:11:23,849 solution to that problem. Where you can request you can say I 1053 01:11:23,849 --> 01:11:27,689 want to send you a payment, and it will generate one on the fly. 1054 01:11:27,719 --> 01:11:29,729 it'll generate an invoice on the fly. 1055 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,280 Basically just like having a little dude who sits there all 1056 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,820 day waiting for people's money, that dude hits an invoice sends 1057 01:11:35,820 --> 01:11:37,230 it to you and then you pay. 1058 01:11:37,709 --> 01:11:43,529 Yes, yeah. So I can I can send you I can send you money without 1059 01:11:43,529 --> 01:11:46,859 you having to be involved. But there's in order to make that 1060 01:11:46,859 --> 01:11:51,449 happen. Your node, the destination receiving node has 1061 01:11:51,449 --> 01:11:56,789 to have a web server in front of it right in some capacity, so 1062 01:11:56,789 --> 01:12:02,189 that it intercepts the request for the payment talks to l&d and 1063 01:12:02,189 --> 01:12:06,209 says generate an invoice. Once the invoice is generated. It 1064 01:12:06,209 --> 01:12:09,989 hands it back to you, then you pay it. So that means every time 1065 01:12:09,989 --> 01:12:13,739 you pay somebody through ln your RP, there's a web server and a 1066 01:12:13,739 --> 01:12:18,179 web request involved before the payment settlement happens. So 1067 01:12:18,179 --> 01:12:24,119 now you've just increased the workload on the node by double, 1068 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,690 and not to mention, because I've said I've set this up, you know, 1069 01:12:27,690 --> 01:12:31,410 not to mention, you got to poke holes in your firewall, do 1070 01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:36,030 reverse proxy, get a certificate, make sure their 1071 01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:39,630 certificate renews. Yep. You know, this is shit that I did 1072 01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:42,750 once and like, and then it does certificate Automatic Renewal 1073 01:12:42,750 --> 01:12:45,060 didn't happen. I'm like, fuck it. I'm not even looking at it 1074 01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:46,290 anymore. I'm so sick of it. 1075 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,360 It's a fair. It's a great seeing. It's a great solution to 1076 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,590 a problem. But it doesn't. 1077 01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:54,960 We don't really work for this. Yeah, we don't really have a 1078 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,460 problem. Well, 1079 01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,720 I agree with Roy, just the solution is just use key send, I 1080 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,670 mean, keys and exists to solve this exact problem. 1081 01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:09,990 I think what's happening here, if I can just take a guess, is 1082 01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:13,200 ln URL. I mean, people are waking up to what we're doing. 1083 01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:16,110 And they're waking up and saying, Oh, these guys are 1084 01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:19,020 claiming some victory over tipping. We invented that a long 1085 01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:22,590 time ago. What the hell you should ditch you should be using 1086 01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:25,920 Ellen URL, you should be doing this. Yeah, it's much easier to 1087 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,030 put an Ellen URL invoice into my into my feed. Oh, okay. You go 1088 01:13:30,030 --> 01:13:35,640 do that. And, you know, and they're just saying this. And I 1089 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,970 conclude this because no one actually looks at what we're 1090 01:13:38,970 --> 01:13:41,760 doing known as actually understood the importance of the 1091 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,810 streaming sites per minute. They haven't looked into that at all. 1092 01:13:45,810 --> 01:13:50,460 But above all, they believe that just by telling us we should do 1093 01:13:50,460 --> 01:13:54,150 it, that all of a sudden apps and hosting companies are going 1094 01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:59,970 to do it. Yeah, it's just an arrogance. Based on being 1095 01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:01,140 ignorant, I guess. 1096 01:14:01,740 --> 01:14:05,190 But I'm not doing it. And I'm not going to spend any effort on 1097 01:14:05,190 --> 01:14:08,160 it because I Because I'm convinced that it was just a 1098 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,090 waste of time. 1099 01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:14,940 Can I ask your question though? Amp? Yes. What is the difference 1100 01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:17,310 between key send and amp? And should we be looking at 1101 01:14:17,310 --> 01:14:18,210 supporting that? 1102 01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:22,410 Is amp is already supported? It's already in the spec. 1103 01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:24,810 It's in the spec, but I don't know what it does. I don't know 1104 01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:26,580 how it works and why aren't we using it? 1105 01:14:26,999 --> 01:14:30,449 Well, amp is automatic multipath payments. Uh huh. So it's the 1106 01:14:30,449 --> 01:14:37,049 idea that you can split up a payment and and have an have 1107 01:14:37,049 --> 01:14:41,939 like Sophie ever an invoice for for a payment for 10,000 sets a 1108 01:14:41,939 --> 01:14:46,799 split that up into four different batches of 2500 SATs 1109 01:14:46,799 --> 01:14:49,919 and send each one of those through different routes. If 1110 01:14:50,129 --> 01:14:53,729 it's a way to get past channel channel liquidity limitations, 1111 01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,939 where you can say, Okay, I've got I've got things spread out 1112 01:14:56,939 --> 01:14:59,039 amongst multiple channels. I don't have a single channel that 1113 01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:02,399 can hold the whole they can handle their entire payment. So 1114 01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,919 I'm going to batch I'm going to I'm going to split it, and then 1115 01:15:04,919 --> 01:15:09,449 it'll reassemble it on the other side. So the problem with AP is 1116 01:15:09,449 --> 01:15:13,409 that it's the support for it is so spotty, that you get payment 1117 01:15:13,409 --> 01:15:14,609 failures all the time. 1118 01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:17,850 Oh, yeah, that's okay. So it's not widely adopted enough. I get 1119 01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:18,000 it. 1120 01:15:18,540 --> 01:15:23,190 Yeah, and I'm not sure if this is where I'm getting off this 1121 01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:25,500 where I'm getting out of my knowledge. I don't know if see 1122 01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:32,220 lightning supports it or not. It may still be l&d only All I know 1123 01:15:32,220 --> 01:15:34,530 is when you try to do app you just cross your fingers and hope 1124 01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:38,760 it works and half the time it doesn't so so it's it's 1125 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,240 technically in the spec but nobody's brave enough to use it 1126 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:42,480 yet. 1127 01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:44,910 Right but it's something that you it's a bit you flip on the 1128 01:15:44,910 --> 01:15:45,810 sending side 1129 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,680 Yeah, and it's got to be supported it's got to be 1130 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:50,850 supported on the sender 1131 01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:54,750 and the path and the and the receiver everybody the whole 1132 01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:58,200 the whole chain down the line has supported Yeah, okay 1133 01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:03,660 good okay, well steady a steady ahead, Captain Baynes. 1134 01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:05,670 Steady she goes, 1135 01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:06,660 she goes. 1136 01:16:08,370 --> 01:16:09,300 We want to thank some people. 1137 01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:13,410 Yeah, let me talk about the live booths that have been coming in 1138 01:16:13,410 --> 01:16:15,930 the booster gram since we've been chatting appreciate that 1139 01:16:15,930 --> 01:16:20,040 everybody value for value, you're soaking in it. This is 1140 01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:23,310 this whole program this whole project is run on people who are 1141 01:16:23,310 --> 01:16:27,150 interested in the project and a part of it just looking in the 1142 01:16:27,150 --> 01:16:31,170 sidelines they get value from it can't determine what their value 1143 01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:33,780 is or why they see value but they got it and they're sending 1144 01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:36,420 it back. That's all we ask for time talent treasure and the 1145 01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:40,350 booster grams are some real treasure. Let's see we have here 1146 01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:45,690 while we've been alive in the lit 4567 from see Brooklyn. I 1147 01:16:45,690 --> 01:16:50,310 think that's Carolyn. All right. Here we go. She says give me the 1148 01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:56,580 horn. I should have known that was coming. This is the only 1149 01:16:56,580 --> 01:16:57,600 episode we're gonna do though. 1150 01:16:58,740 --> 01:17:00,330 No, no, we're gonna hide it. 1151 01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:05,760 We got five sevens, the super super striper booths from Mike 1152 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:12,390 Newman. I like this ship. He says okay. Chimp 13,579 says 1153 01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:19,950 boosting saves lives Sure does. Boost them we have E podcaster. 1154 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,920 3000 SATs Thank you, Adam and Dave for leading the charge. So 1155 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,620 podcasters like me can easily be part of the value for value 1156 01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:35,310 model gold podcast, podcast. Sir Spencer, big row a ducks. 22222 1157 01:17:35,310 --> 01:17:39,960 Yes, 22,222. That's a super row of ducks. And he says I'm so 1158 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,720 grateful for the value for value, lifestyle and mentality. 1159 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,950 It is an abundance mentality. Most of the people who don't get 1160 01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:50,340 it are stuck in a scarcity mentality. And they can't see or 1161 01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:54,270 quantify what V four v brings. When we open ourselves to value 1162 01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:56,670 for value. We have received value in ways that are hard to 1163 01:17:56,670 --> 01:18:00,360 quantify networking meetups, lifelong friends gifts in the 1164 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,990 mail. Oh, yeah, I love those. It's not as simple as just SATs 1165 01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:06,840 and Pay Pal donations, it goes much deeper and it changed my 1166 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:13,650 life for the better. Right, amen. Right on. 1167 01:18:13,860 --> 01:18:16,560 That's, that's solid. You know, honestly, 1168 01:18:17,339 --> 01:18:21,179 that's a great way to look at it from an abundance mentality 1169 01:18:21,179 --> 01:18:22,829 versus scarcity mentality, 1170 01:18:23,339 --> 01:18:25,769 it's great, it's a great way to look at it because I can, I was 1171 01:18:25,769 --> 01:18:30,959 thinking this morning, of all the strong friendships that that 1172 01:18:31,859 --> 01:18:34,889 I can speak for myself. And for you, too, I'm sure all the 1173 01:18:34,889 --> 01:18:38,969 strong friendships that I did have created now in in the 1174 01:18:38,969 --> 01:18:43,889 podcasting world. And that's, that's value for value. Because 1175 01:18:43,979 --> 01:18:47,999 we, we, because we're giving it away, we're giving away our 1176 01:18:47,999 --> 01:18:51,959 value. And the value that part of the value we're getting back, 1177 01:18:52,349 --> 01:18:55,229 or the salt or the solid relationships with great people. 1178 01:18:55,259 --> 01:18:59,219 Exactly. It's me, you can't buy that you that you cannot put a 1179 01:18:59,219 --> 01:18:59,969 price on that. 1180 01:19:00,780 --> 01:19:04,740 It's like no agenda. That means especially with the meetups, 1181 01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:07,080 with people who just organize and hang out together this 1182 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:12,750 lifelong friendship to come out of that. And just in a community 1183 01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:16,770 gets built around the media property. I know wherever I am 1184 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,070 anywhere in the world, if I've, if I have a need for something, 1185 01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:23,250 if something's going on, all I have to do is just you know, hop 1186 01:19:23,250 --> 01:19:26,430 on either Twitter or Well, preferably no agenda, social, 1187 01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:29,940 even telegram group said, here's what I need. And immediately I 1188 01:19:29,940 --> 01:19:31,860 have someone who knows someone who could hook us up and do 1189 01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:32,310 something. 1190 01:19:33,150 --> 01:19:36,480 You know, I feel that I feel that way too. I've got some so 1191 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,720 many friends you know, friendships of that are now on 1192 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,530 like, signal and podcasts and social and I know that I could 1193 01:19:43,530 --> 01:19:49,080 probably be anywhere in the in at least in the country, and 1194 01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:51,300 somebody would be close enough to help to help out with 1195 01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:55,080 something. I mean, like it just and that's not you can't put a 1196 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,670 tie. You can't put a price on that. Which is 1197 01:19:56,670 --> 01:19:59,310 why I know that there's designers out there for the apps 1198 01:19:59,580 --> 01:20:02,640 and stuff Spencer says Stop talking like this is getting me 1199 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:08,040 misty eyed. Okay. Blueberry 2222 We tell people they are denying 1200 01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,010 themselves half of our show by using Apple because they won't 1201 01:20:11,010 --> 01:20:14,250 see the six to seven new pieces of art we make for the chapters 1202 01:20:14,430 --> 01:20:22,860 salutely Absolutely. Blueberry again 17,776 Here we go. Hi, 1203 01:20:23,130 --> 01:20:25,950 quote hi I'd like to take you up on your offer to get help 1204 01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,640 onboarding to PC 2.0 but it's way easier to sit here and bitch 1205 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,900 about YouTube taking my content down. Exactly. 1206 01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:42,060 Okay, hello shot caller 20 is Blaze only Impala 1207 01:20:42,089 --> 01:20:49,709 400,000 SATs from anonymous, anonymous 400,000 SATs from 1208 01:20:49,709 --> 01:20:55,289 anonymous and all that anonymous says go podcast a podcast a holy 1209 01:20:55,289 --> 01:20:58,589 crap thank you that came for that came through curio caster 1210 01:20:58,589 --> 01:21:03,569 so I guess that's working now 400,000 on the counter zeros 1211 01:21:03,569 --> 01:21:04,739 Yeah 400,000 1212 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,950 saying anonymous I want to thank that guy or that girl here we go 1213 01:21:15,780 --> 01:21:17,010 that's that's it. Thank you. 1214 01:21:17,310 --> 01:21:22,260 That's a big thank you. Thank you. There you go. That was 1215 01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:26,490 great. Triple force from yell dar pre boost. I listen to every 1216 01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:29,370 episode of podcasting 2.0 and carefully followed development 1217 01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:32,280 of the project. You helped me protect and develop podcasting 1218 01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,270 in Kazakhstan. You're doing a very important project thank you 1219 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:42,990 and go podcast podcast. Hello Kazakhstan. Great success. This 1220 01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:51,600 was a very bad Wow. The Kazuaki and Maya in the house. Nice. 1221 01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:56,640 Yeah. All right. Well, so happy to hear that you know, BUSA some 1222 01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,040 more. Let us know what's going on in Kazakhstan. How can we 1223 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,290 help more importantly, how can we get an invitation to visit? 1224 01:22:01,890 --> 01:22:03,480 How can we get cheap gas please? 1225 01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:08,130 We want to jump in on those riots. It looks like fun. You 1226 01:22:08,130 --> 01:22:12,000 guys did great work over there. And by the way, screw the CIA 1227 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,360 debasing you guys. Sorry about that. We're a hole sometimes. 1228 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,200 Then, let's see Dred Scott. Row of sticks. Oh, this was a test 1229 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:28,080 1111 testing the booze and 100,000 SATs from Brando cellars 1230 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,600 from the sleek podcast. Throwing that one 1231 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,650 for I'm Carla 20 is blade on am Paula haven't 1232 01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:37,500 boosted in a while so I'm upping my boost game first time 1233 01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:42,060 boosting with POD verse on mobile. Nice and nice, loving 1234 01:22:42,060 --> 01:22:44,940 loving seeing that work. And it's something else just come 1235 01:22:44,940 --> 01:22:48,450 in. Yes. And a millennial is listening with a super row of 1236 01:22:48,450 --> 01:22:54,600 sticks. 11,111 and no agenda millennial says thanks for the 1237 01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,190 RSS help Dave? 1238 01:22:57,780 --> 01:23:00,960 Oh, yes, yes, yes. You're welcome. Yeah, wait, yeah. I've 1239 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,890 been really slow to respond to emails, but I'm good. Because of 1240 01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:07,320 the travel, but I'm getting I'm getting them as quick as I can. 1241 01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:09,990 Sorry. I was a little delayed for a couple of days getting 1242 01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:10,980 that fixed. But we got it. 1243 01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:15,180 Excellent. All right, let's let's thank some of our donors 1244 01:23:15,180 --> 01:23:16,650 that have come in during the week. 1245 01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:22,920 Get a get some couple of big pay pals Marco. As usual Marco 1246 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,000 coming in with 500 1247 01:23:25,230 --> 01:23:29,250 Shot copper plates on him Paola 1248 01:23:30,990 --> 01:23:33,690 and Buzzsprout $500. Wow. 1249 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,130 20 blades on I am Paula. 1250 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,380 Thank you. Thank you, thank you. 1251 01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:47,520 Yes, that, that those those donations, seriously, pay the 1252 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:52,950 bills every month. And in rss.com. It also comes in on 1253 01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:57,990 frequently with a with a huge PayPal, donation, those, those 1254 01:23:57,990 --> 01:24:03,210 are the core of what we use to pay the bills and the SAS, 1255 01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:08,190 always stay on the node. And so that we can fund channels and 1256 01:24:08,190 --> 01:24:11,910 liquidity. We never take any of the sets off off the node they 1257 01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:12,510 stay there. 1258 01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:16,980 I should just add one more thing. We Dave and I've both 1259 01:24:17,130 --> 01:24:20,610 desperately been looking you know, we're very happy with with 1260 01:24:20,610 --> 01:24:26,490 other node and wallet providers who are cropping up like Albie 1261 01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:30,780 and the other people on the horizon. Because we knew, we 1262 01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:33,660 know inherently that having everything centralized or one or 1263 01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:38,370 two can have problems. And we've been maintaining a node that 1264 01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:42,060 we've been paying for. And we're happy we did because some of the 1265 01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:45,180 problems we've seen over the past few days with ln pay. 1266 01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,870 Luckily, I think we're able to migrate that to our node. So 1267 01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:52,500 know that. And this is just temporary for us because we 1268 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,870 don't really don't like that. To be honest. If we don't like 1269 01:24:54,990 --> 01:24:57,600 being in charge. We don't want money to flow. Yeah, we'd really 1270 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,990 don't want to do that. But we're making we knew something like 1271 01:25:00,990 --> 01:25:04,650 this could happen. And damn, I'm happy we did it. 1272 01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:09,660 Yeah. Which is to be more specific we pay we pay Tim each 1273 01:25:09,660 --> 01:25:15,090 month for for a node. And as part of our, you know, our 1274 01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:18,480 hosting bills each month, we pay him for node. But we've never 1275 01:25:18,510 --> 01:25:21,750 been it's always just been empty. Yeah, it's always for a 1276 01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:24,690 year, it's just been sitting there doing nothing. And we were 1277 01:25:24,690 --> 01:25:25,980 like, you know, one day and 1278 01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:28,980 in a way, that's also because he's been offering his node for 1279 01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:31,920 free. So I wanted to make sure that he got compensated and 1280 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,280 didn't feel like he was just doing stuff for people without 1281 01:25:35,310 --> 01:25:37,770 getting any real value back and don't think you charge anyone 1282 01:25:37,770 --> 01:25:39,270 anything at any point. 1283 01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:43,650 Yeah, I mean, it's it honestly. Honestly, Tim has been doing 1284 01:25:43,650 --> 01:25:48,780 this as a charity. Yeah, for real for a long time. And we, we 1285 01:25:48,780 --> 01:25:51,960 told him straight up, we were like, you know, Hey, you gotta 1286 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:56,370 get paid for this. I mean, we don't, this is not, you need to 1287 01:25:56,370 --> 01:25:59,340 be supported. And, you know, we asked her like, hey, you know, 1288 01:25:59,340 --> 01:26:02,490 how much how much is your host cost each month, you know, and 1289 01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:04,380 he told us, and we're like, what that's, that's what we're going 1290 01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:07,080 to look at given you, we just want you, we want you to break 1291 01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,260 even at least, then you can go make money off other customers 1292 01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:12,300 and that kind of thing. But we want to at least make sure that 1293 01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,320 you're not doing this at a loss or for charity. Right. And so 1294 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,500 then that and that's, so then when all these problems happen, 1295 01:26:19,620 --> 01:26:22,590 he was able to quickly migrate everything off of the broken 1296 01:26:22,590 --> 01:26:27,840 node onto our node, and didn't really miss a beat and like it 1297 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:28,980 picked up pretty quick. 1298 01:26:29,010 --> 01:26:33,030 Yeah, it did. But of course, the node has a different node ID. So 1299 01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:35,550 some wallets tend to change. And that's something we got to 1300 01:26:35,550 --> 01:26:37,710 figure out how we how best to migrate that. 1301 01:26:38,820 --> 01:26:42,630 Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll have a lot to talk about that. Luckily, 1302 01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:45,750 there's not a lot of receiving wallets on there. So that's 1303 01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:46,140 good. 1304 01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,770 Yeah. But like, we have sovereign feeds in our block, 1305 01:26:49,770 --> 01:26:54,300 which has to change. And Dame Jennifer, I think she needs she 1306 01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:55,320 needs to change. 1307 01:26:55,860 --> 01:27:00,930 And also, Alex, ping me this morning about Mark Hall. I think 1308 01:27:00,930 --> 01:27:03,660 Mark Hall still saw that so as well, that needs to change. 1309 01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:04,050 Yeah. 1310 01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:07,170 And Mark Hall is going to be important pretty soon as we get 1311 01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,920 a DM tag rolled out. I talked about it the other day. Okay, 1312 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:17,250 he's super excited. You know, he talked to Richard Linklater, Sir 1313 01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:20,880 Mark is, you know, he's a filmmaker. He I think he's also 1314 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,790 in some import export business, you know, maybe with Afghanistan 1315 01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:26,250 or Panama. I'm not sure you know, one of my criminal 1316 01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:30,840 friends. But he's a filmmaker and so he's very in tune for 1317 01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,270 decades with the Austin film community. You know who Richard 1318 01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:36,180 Linklater is right? He's like, he's very, very, very famous 1319 01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:37,050 filmmaker. 1320 01:27:37,650 --> 01:27:42,660 I thought, Is that related to Art Linkletter? No. I'm thinking 1321 01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:43,500 of different people. 1322 01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:48,900 It's actually things link later. Let me just see, let okay, I'm 1323 01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:52,110 misspelling it okay. Yeah, no, it's that's my fault. So a 1324 01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:55,440 couple of his movies. So this and I'll tell you what he said. 1325 01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:58,920 And he just released one called Apollo 10 and a half, which is 1326 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,300 on Netflix, I would advise it's rotoscoped. So it's something 1327 01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:05,010 that's it's fun to watch. 1328 01:28:05,970 --> 01:28:07,470 released this or renowned 1329 01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:10,350 No, no, that's that's Linklater released that Okay. Okay. 1330 01:28:11,010 --> 01:28:19,590 Slacker. One of his movies. Of course. Ah, one of the boys 1331 01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:23,970 life. Which one won the Oscar? No, they filmed over 12 year 1332 01:28:23,970 --> 01:28:27,660 period. You remember that? And they had all the actors and they 1333 01:28:27,690 --> 01:28:30,900 they filmed them throughout the 12 years the making this movie? 1334 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,390 Now you don't know what I'm talking about? If it's not a 1335 01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,210 Marvel Cinematic Universe, you don't know what it is. Dave? Is 1336 01:28:36,210 --> 01:28:36,780 that what it is? 1337 01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:38,460 Yay. I'm better a 1338 01:28:41,790 --> 01:28:46,530 flag on the disproportionate use of force. Unnecessary roughness? 1339 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,950 Yes. Yeah. Oh, boy. Hood was called boy hood. That's what it 1340 01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:53,880 was called. Okay. Boy hood. Yeah. Anyway, so he says, 1341 01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:58,320 streaming world is all messed up. He says, we don't know where 1342 01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,390 we're going to, we don't know. And where we're going to make 1343 01:29:00,390 --> 01:29:03,540 money. theaters are broken. We can't get into them. No one 1344 01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:08,310 cares. The big streaming companies no longer have the 1345 01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:11,580 budgets they had. So certainly when it comes to, you know, 1346 01:29:11,580 --> 01:29:15,090 smaller independent films, which is classified as up like 10 or 1347 01:29:15,090 --> 01:29:19,620 $12 million, we have no place to go. And Mark's been evangelizing 1348 01:29:19,620 --> 01:29:24,750 value for value. Oh, yeah. Nice. So, you know, I'm okay. Maybe, 1349 01:29:24,750 --> 01:29:27,780 although maybe we'll be able to get more into those circles. But 1350 01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:30,780 documentaries, especially, I mean, and there's a lot of 1351 01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:33,630 people making quote unquote, documentaries, you know, and I'm 1352 01:29:33,630 --> 01:29:36,090 thinking I love documentaries, I'm addicted to them. But 1353 01:29:36,090 --> 01:29:38,910 there's a lot of people who make documentaries, you know, just 1354 01:29:38,910 --> 01:29:42,870 for online, you know, for bitch shoot or whatever. These things 1355 01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:46,440 are also valid. These are the these are great things to jam 1356 01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:47,220 into a feed. 1357 01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:51,990 I got a buddy who invests in documentaries, and he because he 1358 01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:55,380 said there's some sort of is something under the under Trump. 1359 01:29:55,860 --> 01:30:01,500 It may be in the that and early on. Tax cuts and Jobs Act the T 1360 01:30:02,010 --> 01:30:06,480 TCGA. Or whatever ja, ja. I think it was something to do 1361 01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:11,790 with that, it changed the tax law where you could boost up the 1362 01:30:11,790 --> 01:30:16,200 amount that you deduct for investing in a Hollywood film. 1363 01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:22,740 You know, like, it really raised that. So it brought in a lot of 1364 01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:25,920 investment, but with the investment in but the net like 1365 01:30:26,850 --> 01:30:30,390 it became Netflix became the big buyer of all these 1366 01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:33,030 documentaries, because they would just pay they would pay 1367 01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:37,500 you cash, you could just cash out your long term earnings went 1368 01:30:37,500 --> 01:30:43,980 down, but you could just have an immediate buy. And then now with 1369 01:30:43,980 --> 01:30:48,660 Netflix going down the tubes, damn sure that money is is 1370 01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:54,600 becoming much more selective and less abundant. So it's it's one 1371 01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,270 of those things where you come in you got the you've got this 1372 01:30:57,270 --> 01:31:01,680 new player that comes in and just distorts the market. And 1373 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,460 now then they bail out essentially or they can that in 1374 01:31:05,460 --> 01:31:09,810 now is left it sort of feels like it's left a hole a crater 1375 01:31:10,170 --> 01:31:13,800 where as I guess what I'm saying is I understand what he's saying 1376 01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:13,980 well, 1377 01:31:14,369 --> 01:31:18,179 here's here's what I did. Here's when I'm reading the reviews on 1378 01:31:18,179 --> 01:31:20,999 the new Act are mixed is from 2018 According to those in the 1379 01:31:20,999 --> 01:31:26,969 filmmaking business in all says CPA Fred Segal the new tax bill 1380 01:31:26,969 --> 01:31:29,849 is not a good thing for filmmakers. It's muddled not as 1381 01:31:29,849 --> 01:31:34,379 modeled as people think. There are some good parts and bad 1382 01:31:34,379 --> 01:31:37,109 parts. Okay, so this is why we don't understand is this 1383 01:31:37,109 --> 01:31:42,029 confusing? Yeah. Anyway, that'll be something that back to 1384 01:31:42,029 --> 01:31:45,569 thanking people. I guess we got stuck there. Sorry about that. 1385 01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:51,990 And we've got we got some booster grams. We'll see here. 1386 01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:57,630 10,000 SATs for Chad Pharaoh. He says it's a hackathon not a hive 1387 01:31:57,630 --> 01:31:58,140 Athan. 1388 01:32:01,470 --> 01:32:02,820 Trouble looking for trouble. 1389 01:32:05,340 --> 01:32:11,940 Let's see Mike Newman. One. C 1000. Is this these big row 1390 01:32:11,940 --> 01:32:17,730 sticks? Just I can't even speak of 111,111 sat 1391 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,520 ball for that call out 20 blades on am bollocks anything 1392 01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,500 over 100 ks gotta get gotta 1393 01:32:25,530 --> 01:32:29,040 Oh, yeah. Yes. He's a slacker, boosted by the end of the show. 1394 01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,260 Great to hear Dame Jennifer bring some sunshine to the 1395 01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:32,550 boardroom. Go podcasting. 1396 01:32:32,580 --> 01:32:36,480 Yeah, podcast. It was great to have Dame Jennifer on the show a 1397 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:37,830 lot of good responses to that. 1398 01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:41,580 That was a great episode. I had a lot of fun. George Orwell. 1399 01:32:42,270 --> 01:32:46,860 1111 SATs and he says I am Justin Trudeau. 1400 01:32:46,890 --> 01:32:47,640 Yes. 1401 01:32:49,140 --> 01:32:51,420 So George Orwell is Justin today. 1402 01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:52,440 Just so you know. 1403 01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,670 Normally, I routed something like 10 payments every minute 1404 01:32:56,670 --> 01:33:00,060 from Ellen pay to podcasters. Since yesterday, I routed one 1405 01:33:00,060 --> 01:33:03,150 payment per minute, the logs look okay, so I think it has 1406 01:33:03,150 --> 01:33:06,780 something to do with an L with ln pay and their node. Yes, it 1407 01:33:06,780 --> 01:33:07,200 did. So 1408 01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,770 first of all, thank you very much. George Orwell, Justin 1409 01:33:10,770 --> 01:33:16,650 Trudeau. Because your channel to my my Umbral actually was good 1410 01:33:16,650 --> 01:33:20,280 because I still was receiving boosts because you provided a 1411 01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,630 path when there was trouble with the Elon pay bad of course, 1412 01:33:24,630 --> 01:33:29,310 because I didn't notice shit was wrong. And I apologize for force 1413 01:33:29,310 --> 01:33:31,530 closing on you as I was trying to figure it out. And he was so 1414 01:33:31,530 --> 01:33:34,860 kind just wait until I had all my crap figured out and you just 1415 01:33:34,860 --> 01:33:37,440 reopened another channel and he's everywhere. He's got 1416 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,860 channels to all kinds of places that are showing up. So these 1417 01:33:40,860 --> 01:33:43,590 are also people that provide tremendous value by putting 1418 01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:46,860 their own liquidity up to help podcasting route and we really 1419 01:33:46,860 --> 01:33:47,580 appreciate it. 1420 01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,000 I mean, he's a he's a famous author and a prime minister at 1421 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:51,510 the same time, 1422 01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:55,410 everywhere right, 1423 01:33:55,919 --> 01:34:00,569 George Orwell back 1111 SATs again he says I noticed that 1424 01:34:00,569 --> 01:34:04,439 your node Adam as an inbound liquid as an IT no inbound 1425 01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,589 liquidity liquidity with zero base fee. 1426 01:34:07,980 --> 01:34:11,370 Yeah, that was he was looking at it when I was having problems. 1427 01:34:11,850 --> 01:34:17,400 Okay, all right. So those troubleshooting message 8008 1428 01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,490 Boob donation from Chad Pharaoh. He says the SATs for fountain to 1429 01:34:20,490 --> 01:34:22,890 animate a new agenda are probably from people watching on 1430 01:34:22,890 --> 01:34:27,360 YouTube or in a tube and using fountains to send a boost. I 1431 01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,360 hear this quite often on live shows and I think people are 1432 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,970 just used to using fountain descent SAS so that's what they 1433 01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:39,690 do. Interesting. 8008 boot donation from mere mortals 1434 01:34:39,690 --> 01:34:42,540 podcasts from our buddy car and he says, I don't think creating 1435 01:34:42,540 --> 01:34:46,320 a podcast for each project is great. sounds tedious all around 1436 01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:51,360 an alternative idea. Have a special episode with splits 1437 01:34:51,690 --> 01:34:53,790 where the four projects perhaps within? 1438 01:34:55,410 --> 01:34:59,010 This is for the for the hackathon hackathon hackathon. 1439 01:34:59,010 --> 01:35:02,640 Yeah, I obviously You can about that, too. I, that may be a good 1440 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:07,410 idea. But you know what, we'll wait for the pimp manager, the 1441 01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:12,390 pimp of the deed for the database, what is dame de 1442 01:35:12,420 --> 01:35:16,590 Jennifer pimp? DE DE database? We'll wait for her to come back 1443 01:35:16,590 --> 01:35:18,960 with her recommendations. But I think that's very valid. There's 1444 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,890 lots of good ideas, but it's in her capable hands. So she'll 1445 01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:24,990 come back with questions or with ideas. 1446 01:35:25,649 --> 01:35:29,639 We'll, we'll figure that and probably it's really going to 1447 01:35:29,639 --> 01:35:31,889 come down to just not voting with money because that's just 1448 01:35:31,889 --> 01:35:38,489 too probably. Yeah. I think that's where I've landed. Arbor 1449 01:35:38,489 --> 01:35:41,489 citadel 100,049 sets. 1450 01:35:43,230 --> 01:35:47,280 Shot kala 20 blades on am Paula. 1451 01:35:48,180 --> 01:35:51,000 Any says Where can i Since that's for the hackathon? 1452 01:35:56,190 --> 01:35:58,410 I don't know. Yeah, we can't figure that out. 1453 01:35:58,770 --> 01:36:03,240 Can I just interject real quick. interject, please. From Casta 1454 01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:11,190 Matic. 333,334 SATs from Dred Scott boosting for the DJ air 1455 01:36:11,190 --> 01:36:24,120 horn fine. He followed up with 22,222 to ask if I got the 1456 01:36:24,150 --> 01:36:29,970 boost. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. 1457 01:36:30,180 --> 01:36:36,840 Okay. The Teacher here warned that they had made my day. This 1458 01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:41,100 sunshine in this room right now. Yeah, now what really happened 1459 01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:44,820 is anonymous came in with 400,000 and Drib. It pissed me 1460 01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:46,650 off because that's my that's my turf. 1461 01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,770 Exactly. Yeah, don't mess with Batman. 1462 01:36:50,370 --> 01:36:57,000 Don't Don't mess with Bruce Wayne. Se jet. And uh, Jean 1463 01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:01,050 Everett sent us through fountaining sinister with 3333 1464 01:37:01,050 --> 01:37:02,430 sets and he's just says boost 1465 01:37:02,430 --> 01:37:04,020 Yo yo, boost. 1466 01:37:05,550 --> 01:37:11,160 Gene ever again. 33 333 through fountain he says Dame Jennifer's 1467 01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:16,320 the guest what? Boost boost gene from our mock Oh, that's from 1468 01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:17,460 Aisha Armand friend. 1469 01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:22,110 Yes. Yes, my were the hot the curry homesteaders. And Jean is 1470 01:37:22,110 --> 01:37:24,180 very familiar with the curry family apparently. 1471 01:37:24,900 --> 01:37:30,690 Okay, just just another another spooky, spooky. Spooky central a 1472 01:37:30,690 --> 01:37:35,220 normal grid layer. James Crillon send 1001 SATs. He says so 1473 01:37:35,220 --> 01:37:38,130 excited to hear that Pocket Cast is interested in podcasting. We 1474 01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:42,030 know. Yes, they are. I love that app. And I would move back and 1475 01:37:42,030 --> 01:37:44,910 would move back to it in a heartbeat. Go podcasting go 1476 01:37:44,910 --> 01:37:45,600 podcast. 1477 01:37:46,620 --> 01:37:49,350 I would say it's not just Pocket Casts. I would say they're 1478 01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:51,900 interested in the namespace across the board in general. 1479 01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:55,950 Yeah, Wordpress, all of it. Yeah. We got to figure out how 1480 01:37:55,950 --> 01:37:58,590 to get the podcast namespace. And Tumblr though, that that's 1481 01:37:58,590 --> 01:38:00,990 that's a weird one. But we'll figure it out. We're going to 1482 01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:09,720 see John cIgi 4761 SATs through the Python boot app. That's his 1483 01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,990 new as his new app. He says Hi, Dave, and Adam and listeners of 1484 01:38:12,990 --> 01:38:15,570 podcasting. 2.0 Thanks to booster grams, I can actually 1485 01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:19,620 say these value tokens have your name on them, unlike Fiat fund 1486 01:38:19,620 --> 01:38:22,380 coupons, where defacing them with any message is a federal 1487 01:38:22,380 --> 01:38:26,910 offense, right? Anyway, I encourage anyone encourage 1488 01:38:26,910 --> 01:38:29,670 anyone that isn't already listening to causality to visit 1489 01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:33,510 engineer dot network, as we analyze what went right, and 1490 01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:36,810 what went wrong, and we discover that many outcomes can be 1491 01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:40,890 predicted or planned for and even prevented, and you too can 1492 01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:44,190 decide if listener if the listener that called me a dreamy 1493 01:38:44,190 --> 01:38:49,830 narrator was right or not. John is a dreaming narrator. He's got 1494 01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:53,010 his he's got to sleep podcast. His sleep podcast is really 1495 01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:56,580 funny. Because he reads super boring engineering stuff. How 1496 01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:59,910 cool like, like he'll read the manual from the original Apple 1497 01:38:59,910 --> 01:39:05,160 TV, or something like that. Yeah, like that. Yeah, it's or 1498 01:39:05,310 --> 01:39:10,620 chapter three of Fortran. You know, it's like sexy. That is a 1499 01:39:10,620 --> 01:39:16,860 good way. That is a an example by John of how to do a in an in 1500 01:39:16,860 --> 01:39:21,030 podcast advertising spot correctly through Busta Rhymes. 1501 01:39:21,419 --> 01:39:24,869 Yes. Very good way. And I wanted to mention that we also hung out 1502 01:39:24,869 --> 01:39:30,509 a bit with John Spurlock. We did Greg was a super nice guy. And 1503 01:39:30,509 --> 01:39:32,519 look out people he's building in an app. 1504 01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:36,000 Oh, is he and he's got heat into it. Yeah, he 1505 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,640 said okay, so what is the way to do a man because you know, he's 1506 01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,820 clearly a billionaire. One of those aren't like this. Oh, 1507 01:39:41,820 --> 01:39:44,970 yeah. Cool. Dudes, you know, just like and you can see it. 1508 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,420 It's the subtle things of how he dresses like okay, I see you 1509 01:39:48,420 --> 01:39:52,650 bro. I think he has a yacht. I'm pretty sure he has 1510 01:39:53,340 --> 01:39:55,920 yacht advice. The thing about the Super about the super rich 1511 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,340 is they always they actually they dress down they dress 1512 01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:04,560 always the guy with the plastic bag. The rich guy. Anyway, so I 1513 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,290 said, Why don't you do it? Yeah, I'm working on it. I'm thinking 1514 01:40:07,380 --> 01:40:10,650 about it as thinking about an app and how I'm going to do it 1515 01:40:10,650 --> 01:40:13,260 and like, oh, man, okay, I'm interested to see what you're 1516 01:40:13,260 --> 01:40:14,040 going to come up with. 1517 01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:21,300 Sir Doug 5000 SATs. Sorry for the break, my wallet ran dry, 1518 01:40:21,300 --> 01:40:24,510 and it took a while to get around to refilling. Musa Oost. 1519 01:40:25,980 --> 01:40:30,690 See 220 2222 for Macintosh. He says, Hey, gang, great episode 1520 01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:33,750 with David, Jennifer, your conversation about about a 1521 01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:37,320 boosted question about taxes got me thinking? Is there any code 1522 01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,300 available to handle the accounting of all these flying 1523 01:40:39,300 --> 01:40:42,030 sets? Oh, well, listeners don't have to manage at all, of 1524 01:40:42,030 --> 01:40:44,940 course. But the podcasters really should I mean, I can 1525 01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:48,060 throw the IRS a fiver and call it a day, because that would 1526 01:40:48,060 --> 01:40:50,910 cover all my support. But some people do actually create real 1527 01:40:50,910 --> 01:40:55,290 amounts of SAS is there is is there. If there isn't anything, 1528 01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:59,370 I might be able to jump in and work on it. I mean, I would say, 1529 01:40:59,580 --> 01:41:02,100 if you want to jump in and work on anything, please do it. 1530 01:41:02,490 --> 01:41:08,910 Because here's what we use is called balances Satoshis. And 1531 01:41:08,910 --> 01:41:13,440 it's a node app that just pulls every transaction off of your 1532 01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:22,380 node. And, and puts it in dumps out a bunch of CSV files. And it 1533 01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:28,140 makes a call to coin desk or coin Gecko or one of those to 1534 01:41:28,140 --> 01:41:31,860 get the fair market value at the timestamp that those sets came 1535 01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:37,050 in. And that's what you need. So you need for every, for every 1536 01:41:37,290 --> 01:41:41,430 batch of sets that come into your node, you need to declare 1537 01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:46,650 what the fair market value is in your local currency at that 1538 01:41:46,650 --> 01:41:51,360 moment, so you need, you know, some API for historical lookups. 1539 01:41:51,930 --> 01:41:58,020 And belsito Satoshis is fine. Except that our node is so huge 1540 01:41:58,020 --> 01:42:08,190 now. That it it's been run I've been trying to dump. May, June 1541 01:42:08,220 --> 01:42:13,560 in July. From from it and it's been it's its own July now. 1542 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,300 We've been running for six days. They didn't have they call them 1543 01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:24,990 dumps big, massive dumps. I literally was running node out 1544 01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:29,010 of it was running no JS out of memory. Yeah, I had to upgrade 1545 01:42:29,010 --> 01:42:32,430 the node to get more RAM. It's crazy. So 1546 01:42:32,460 --> 01:42:36,330 no one was Bellway. No one was ever expecting this use case, 1547 01:42:36,810 --> 01:42:39,810 obviously, or they had no idea or the no one thought through 1548 01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:44,610 it. And I have to say lightning labs doesn't seem that they care 1549 01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:45,300 much about it. 1550 01:42:46,380 --> 01:42:51,510 They're, they're doing database improvements. And I cannot wait 1551 01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:54,660 for 15.1 because that's going to make evidently supposed to 1552 01:42:54,660 --> 01:42:58,020 shrink the size of the database way, way, way down. And we 1553 01:42:58,020 --> 01:43:00,270 really, I mean, we need that we need that value. 1554 01:43:00,330 --> 01:43:04,410 I can't I can't get I can't export from I mean balance of 1555 01:43:04,410 --> 01:43:09,780 Satoshis. If I just want to run a report for three days, takes 1556 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,040 30 minutes. 1557 01:43:11,850 --> 01:43:14,100 Yeah, I mean, it's literally it's been running for almost a 1558 01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:16,830 week. Yeah, just to export amounts of data. 1559 01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:19,890 And it can timeout at any minute. We're breaking 1560 01:43:19,890 --> 01:43:23,790 five oh, threes all the time. Macintosh, if you want to write 1561 01:43:23,790 --> 01:43:26,580 a better accounting package, 1562 01:43:26,730 --> 01:43:30,420 did you value for that? I'd send you value for using that. 1563 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,990 Oh, heck, yeah, I'd pay for it all day long, I'd add I'd pay 1564 01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:41,340 $200 right now for that. Because it, it literally half the time 1565 01:43:41,340 --> 01:43:46,380 just doesn't even work. Anyway, so it's more than just Just FYI, 1566 01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:50,940 to dig deeper on this for just one second. It's more than just 1567 01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,260 the booster grams and stuff when you run your own node, which are 1568 01:43:55,260 --> 01:44:02,670 running is a lightning node that can receive SATs, sin SATs, and 1569 01:44:02,670 --> 01:44:09,090 forward SATs as a relay. And if you make if you have income from 1570 01:44:09,090 --> 01:44:14,130 routing fees, yet, you know that's got to be declared to not 1571 01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,530 not many people are going to have that. But if you if you do 1572 01:44:16,530 --> 01:44:21,450 have routing fees, that's also income. And it's also a Bitcoin 1573 01:44:21,450 --> 01:44:24,240 node, every lightning node is a Bitcoin node. So you have 1574 01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:29,070 incoming and outgoing on chain transactions also. So you really 1575 01:44:29,070 --> 01:44:31,650 need something that's going to find all that information is 1576 01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:36,030 there, it's all in l&d. So you can you can export it all so you 1577 01:44:36,030 --> 01:44:39,630 have to do all of those. You can't just say, Okay, here's all 1578 01:44:39,630 --> 01:44:42,240 the histogram donations that came in, unless that's all you 1579 01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,580 unless that's literally all you're doing. And that if that 1580 01:44:44,580 --> 01:44:47,820 is that's fine, but if your node has lots of channels, and you're 1581 01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:53,610 doing your routing, you gotta have that too. So just FYI. See, 1582 01:44:53,610 --> 01:45:04,650 sir Doug again. 5000 SAS he says for Dame Jennifer s SL C SLC ls 1583 01:45:04,650 --> 01:45:13,080 l certainly LC LC is e s e l s e Okay. SLC sin is 3333 sets is 1584 01:45:13,140 --> 01:45:15,120 and he or she says pew 1585 01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:21,060 pew on was my pew I lost my pew I've been so obsessed with the 1586 01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:21,450 horn 1587 01:45:23,310 --> 01:45:28,320 the horn is very obsessive. Alright, Mike Dell sent us 3333 1588 01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,690 He says Did it work this time? Well yes it did. 1589 01:45:32,130 --> 01:45:35,010 Oh, I was just looking at it because you're so right. I 1590 01:45:35,010 --> 01:45:37,830 looked at the tally coin because it podcast index.org You can 1591 01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:42,360 also send us Fiat the donate button donate the donate button 1592 01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:46,440 the yes please don't donate but you can have a donate. That's we 1593 01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:52,710 got a tallyho boost 96,263 Unfortunately, I don't know who 1594 01:45:52,710 --> 01:45:56,250 it's from. And a second one that tallyho boost this and the 1595 01:45:56,250 --> 01:46:03,600 previous tallyho was Dred Scott again latest 72,002 This he's 1596 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,410 given well over a million SATs for this episode. Good God 1597 01:46:07,410 --> 01:46:10,800 Almighty dread dread. Thank you, man. I got it. Let me give him a 1598 01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,830 little special. Hop on dribblers riding 1599 01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:19,770 lightning round the Lightning 1600 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:21,000 Lightning boost. 1601 01:46:22,590 --> 01:46:26,550 Pocket parlay sent us 3000 sets I liked that name by the way. 1602 01:46:26,910 --> 01:46:31,260 Pocket. Yeah, good work, guys. As always, can I get a JC D 1603 01:46:31,260 --> 01:46:32,280 boost please? 1604 01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,820 Well, the JC D boost always comes in three boost boost 1605 01:46:35,820 --> 01:46:36,900 boost. You got it? 1606 01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:44,070 Mike Dell 3333 He's back. Yo Yo. He says I'm now the podcasting 1607 01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:46,200 2.0 Project Manager at blueberry 1608 01:46:48,930 --> 01:46:54,690 boost and so that's official. It's an official. I love it. 1609 01:46:55,650 --> 01:46:57,120 We'll send you a nameplate my 1610 01:46:58,830 --> 01:47:01,380 business card to get new business cards. What is this 1611 01:47:01,380 --> 01:47:03,300 podcasting? 2.0 manager, 1612 01:47:03,870 --> 01:47:09,090 project manager project manager. Dirty Jersey whore 18,000 to 1613 01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:15,840 18,008 says boobs plus boost cleaning out my wallet Just 1614 01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,180 thought I'd drop by and sling some stats your way go 1615 01:47:18,180 --> 01:47:21,690 podcasting. Wow. Whoa, 1616 01:47:21,870 --> 01:47:25,020 I didn't mean to do that. accident 1617 01:47:25,650 --> 01:47:30,600 is the robbery pads that gets you exhausted cash sticky. I 1618 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:35,670 Satoshi I Satoshi with you. Send us 500 SATs and he says thank 1619 01:47:35,670 --> 01:47:37,140 you for all your podcasts. 1620 01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,390 We're happy to produce all of them. Yes. Our pods 1621 01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:48,630 pod Martin Linda scogs in 1776 SATs he says I'm testing a 1622 01:47:48,630 --> 01:47:51,600 booster gram via pod verse for the first time Liberty boosts 1623 01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,190 1776 Set Satoshis 50 SATs go into the app as default setting. 1624 01:47:56,340 --> 01:47:59,160 I look forward to testing out the live item tag Sunday Martin 1625 01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:02,940 Linda Skog Lyceum para Pitocin. Twitch. 1626 01:48:04,170 --> 01:48:07,500 This is actually cool. Now I know that pod verse doesn't do 1627 01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:09,840 that per minute streaming. They're working on that because 1628 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:14,970 of player things. But in the in the interface, when you set it 1629 01:48:14,970 --> 01:48:20,760 up with your lb wallet, you have an amount for the boosts. And 1630 01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,010 then although it's unclear if it's an addition or if it's 1631 01:48:23,010 --> 01:48:25,800 separate, I think it's an addition. Then you can 1632 01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:28,740 separately and I think the default is 50 sites you can 1633 01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,460 boost 50 sites to the app to pod verse every single time you 1634 01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:36,630 boost greatly. That's do it. You can configure it. Great way to 1635 01:48:36,630 --> 01:48:39,660 do it. So it's so it's not defined in the split. It's 1636 01:48:39,660 --> 01:48:43,560 completely separate. It's clear. There's a suggested amount you 1637 01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,950 can do whatever you want. Great idea. I like that. Yes. Yeah, 1638 01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:49,560 that's that's perfect. And it works because you see someone 1639 01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:50,160 understood it. 1640 01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:57,480 More does podcasts back 1111 111 He says your boots on the ground 1641 01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:00,510 report from pm 22 was surprising. Adam. I hear a lot 1642 01:49:00,510 --> 01:49:04,170 about woke stuff, but just don't see it much here in Brizzy. Hope 1643 01:49:04,170 --> 01:49:05,910 you guys had fun anyway. Oh, yeah. 1644 01:49:05,940 --> 01:49:08,700 Oh, no. We had a lot of you kidding me? I got 35 minutes of 1645 01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:10,440 free content out of that is great. 1646 01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:14,970 We had a great time. Yeah. That was a bonus. That was a bonus. 1647 01:49:15,749 --> 01:49:19,799 No, and, and again, it just showed me that we the escape 1648 01:49:19,799 --> 01:49:24,629 hatch we've built is here. It's on time. We made it. People 1649 01:49:24,659 --> 01:49:28,889 People have an alternative path. And it's clear. And if you went 1650 01:49:28,889 --> 01:49:31,109 during lunchtime to the small conference room around the 1651 01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:32,999 corner in the back, you might have found out about it. 1652 01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,790 People People should not have a center at their conferences 1653 01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:41,700 because every time we show up, controversial things happen. We 1654 01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:44,340 went to the Bitcoin Miami conference and Jack Dorsey got 1655 01:49:44,340 --> 01:49:47,160 accosted on stage by a state senator. 1656 01:49:48,030 --> 01:49:51,480 Do you want the wrong kind of PR for your conference invite Adam 1657 01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:52,200 and Dave? 1658 01:49:52,350 --> 01:49:57,990 Yes, yes. Brian of London and have Dao send us 46,972 SAS the 1659 01:49:57,990 --> 01:50:01,710 fee for V app yo yo says You've probably answered this already. 1660 01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,950 I want to hear about pod ping at webcast movement. Shabbat 1661 01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:05,520 Shalom. 1662 01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:08,400 Shalom. Yeah, 1663 01:50:08,430 --> 01:50:10,680 we have we've already talked about it already given that give 1664 01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:15,660 a little pod pink talk earlier. Thank you, Brian. Lyceum 1776 1665 01:50:15,660 --> 01:50:19,140 Liberty boost, and he says I'll send a big baller histogram next 1666 01:50:19,140 --> 01:50:23,610 time it has a reference to bowling. It is time to strike 1667 01:50:23,610 --> 01:50:26,940 out some stuff in PC pedosphere With better arguments and 1668 01:50:26,940 --> 01:50:29,910 intellectual ammo. Thanks for standing up for freedom of 1669 01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:32,730 expression. Your work is positive fossil fuel for my 1670 01:50:32,730 --> 01:50:36,720 soul. That's premises Martin lindskog from lecien para 1671 01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,290 pentose on Twitter. Thank you. Thanks, Martin. Appreciate that. 1672 01:50:40,290 --> 01:50:43,950 55 feet fast that's from Pfeiffer from the folk hour. He 1673 01:50:43,950 --> 01:50:49,530 says go podcasting go podcast that that boost came in through 1674 01:50:49,530 --> 01:50:52,740 the into the podcast in this website. Oh cool 1675 01:50:52,740 --> 01:50:56,280 that we're working on it from everywhere. It is working. Love 1676 01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:56,460 it. 1677 01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:00,330 River River City mystery. sent us 10,000 SATs nice 1678 01:51:00,330 --> 01:51:01,440 thank you very much. 1679 01:51:02,129 --> 01:51:06,089 Oost go podcasting Matt the river city mystery podcast 1680 01:51:06,299 --> 01:51:15,869 podcast. Be glass to send his 3223 through fountain. And he 1681 01:51:15,869 --> 01:51:17,669 says this is a boost for Dame Jennifer. 1682 01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,590 Oh, very nice, 1683 01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:20,430 basically, 1684 01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:21,750 or should we do? 1685 01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:29,670 Here's your cue to boost you know you want to stay tuned next 1686 01:51:29,670 --> 01:51:34,410 week. For the math. The math jingle yo yo 2110 For Moritz 1687 01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:38,670 from lb o do the pet podcast in this website. He says where's 1688 01:51:38,670 --> 01:51:40,410 the hackathon man? 1689 01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:44,910 stamp on standby two weeks is more than two weeks standby 1690 01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:52,890 be glad to send us another 30 to 23 for Dame Jennifer thing he 1691 01:51:52,890 --> 01:51:59,550 says oh wait that's me. I was so as a test boost for me. And then 1692 01:51:59,550 --> 01:52:03,870 we got 4554 from Nomad Joe through fountain Nene says eat 1693 01:52:03,870 --> 01:52:04,590 more beef 1694 01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:10,110 we need a cow a cow boost a cow boost. 1695 01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:14,970 And we got the delimiter comma straight blogger area 15,033 1696 01:52:14,970 --> 01:52:20,190 sets he says howdy Dave and M next time you go to Podcast 1697 01:52:20,190 --> 01:52:23,280 Movement conference and you need person of color due to diversity 1698 01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,820 quota. You can take me my skin color is pink. It's like big 1699 01:52:26,820 --> 01:52:32,490 skin color. Okay, anyways, anyways, you're warmly welcome 1700 01:52:32,490 --> 01:52:36,120 to listen to our podcast called AI dot cooking narrated by 1701 01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,510 Gregory William Forsythe Forman from can't just type in your web 1702 01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:48,660 browser or podcast app AI dot cooking forward to your bycatch. 1703 01:52:49,860 --> 01:52:53,490 I don't think pink is what anybody has in mind. But thanks 1704 01:52:53,490 --> 01:52:54,360 for the offer chemistry. 1705 01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,720 Totally, totally appreciate it. Thank you all thank you all so 1706 01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:03,240 much for providing the value. It helps the trip cost money. So 1707 01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,420 thank you very much for helping out. We did buy a couple of 1708 01:53:06,420 --> 01:53:09,390 drinks for people although a lot of people bought us drinks too. 1709 01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:13,770 So we weren't like loser heels you know we actually we 1710 01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:17,760 participated in the in the value exchange. So thank you for 1711 01:53:17,790 --> 01:53:23,130 supporting our trip here and for supporting podcasting 2.0 It's 1712 01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:26,970 It's humbling is beautiful and we are a prime example of the 1713 01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:30,030 escape hatch open wide for anybody to jump through it if 1714 01:53:30,030 --> 01:53:33,360 you'd like to support us go to podcast index.org down at the 1715 01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,570 bottom of that front page you've got a red donate button or donut 1716 01:53:36,570 --> 01:53:40,230 as you prefer. And from there you can send us Fiat fun coupons 1717 01:53:40,230 --> 01:53:42,840 through Pay Pal you can use a QR code for on chain or for 1718 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:47,160 lightning or go to new podcast apps.com and get yourself one of 1719 01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:49,590 those fancy podcast apps that does value for value. 1720 01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:55,260 We got some monthlies. Just follow it up. Putney pod news. 1721 01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,270 Thank you James $50 Who 1722 01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:59,010 thanks yeah, thanks 1723 01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:03,930 Duane. Goldie is good see him in person by the way is good night 1724 01:54:03,930 --> 01:54:05,970 you guys had a nice chat with him last night about some 1725 01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:08,280 what is the what is Dwayne doing? 1726 01:54:09,420 --> 01:54:11,850 Oh, no, no, no, no, I asked him about James. Oh, okay. 1727 01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:16,470 Oh, yeah, that was James. James is tall. He was really tall. 1728 01:54:16,980 --> 01:54:20,430 He's a very tall man. Rob greenlees tall. Is he told her 1729 01:54:20,430 --> 01:54:22,950 the new six eight. 1730 01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:25,020 Good God Almighty, 1731 01:54:25,050 --> 01:54:28,830 you know, forget me. Greenlee and Cridland. We have the start 1732 01:54:28,830 --> 01:54:31,050 of the podcast and 2.0 basketball team. 1733 01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:39,120 Yes, yes, you do. If you if if your entire basketball team is 1734 01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:43,500 going to be all sinners. We have no point guards. We're just 1735 01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:46,470 a bunch of other guys around us. Yes. 1736 01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:53,130 Dwayne Goldy $8 Paul Erskine $11.14. Michael Gagan $5 and 1737 01:54:53,130 --> 01:54:58,170 Charles current $5 James Sullivan $10 Sean McCune $20 1738 01:54:58,170 --> 01:55:01,830 Thank you Sean Christopher Raymer 10 dollars gone plus Buck 1739 01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:07,590 $5. Jordan Dunnville $10.02. Coats $6.66 That evil donation, 1740 01:55:07,770 --> 01:55:14,010 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Dred Scott again, $15. Man, thank you 1741 01:55:14,010 --> 01:55:19,200 so much, Miller $20 and Lesley Martin $2. Thank you to 1742 01:55:19,230 --> 01:55:19,830 everybody. 1743 01:55:20,490 --> 01:55:23,760 Really appreciate it. Good value for value. Good week, I'm glad 1744 01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:28,530 we came. I'm glad we got to see everybody. I think the big 1745 01:55:28,530 --> 01:55:31,830 benefit was hanging out with people that we're working with, 1746 01:55:32,010 --> 01:55:34,950 or people are interested, we could do this without it being 1747 01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:39,840 necessarily a conference. And, in fact, there's so many 1748 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,180 different ways we could meet periodically, which I think is 1749 01:55:42,180 --> 01:55:46,050 really good to just start looking at you can't do on on 1750 01:55:46,050 --> 01:55:49,170 Mastodon or email or even video calls. You know, 1751 01:55:50,250 --> 01:55:54,720 I'd love to just have like a podcasting to meet up, ya know, 1752 01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:59,580 once a year, so just just and not and just jettison the live 1753 01:55:59,580 --> 01:56:04,080 music and the salespeople. Just just ever meet up and do it and 1754 01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:06,630 just do it. Just have some good conversation and some and some 1755 01:56:06,630 --> 01:56:11,070 food. Yeah. And just talk about stuff for a day. That would be 1756 01:56:11,070 --> 01:56:12,600 much more enjoyable to me, actually. 1757 01:56:12,630 --> 01:56:14,970 Oh, I totally agree. And if we do it in Vegas, then we can get 1758 01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:16,350 hookers and blow at the same time. 1759 01:56:17,670 --> 01:56:19,050 There's a lot of good boosts that come out of that. 1760 01:56:23,940 --> 01:56:27,390 All right, ma'am. So what are you doing today? Because I'm 1761 01:56:27,390 --> 01:56:31,170 gonna, I'm gonna have fun on out of here. I'm gonna go home, 1762 01:56:31,170 --> 01:56:33,510 spend the night with my wife. Tomorrow. I'm driving back to 1763 01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:37,440 Austin for bit block boom, which I committed to and you know, 1764 01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:41,190 Gary Leland, the old podcast medical guy who sold the 1765 01:56:41,190 --> 01:56:44,100 conference, he started bit block, boom. He's asked me for 1766 01:56:44,100 --> 01:56:47,220 years. I've always weaseled out of it. I tried to get out of it 1767 01:56:47,220 --> 01:56:53,310 again this year. I really did. But no, I I owe it to him. And 1768 01:56:53,310 --> 01:56:56,160 it's good for us. Because there will be people there that you 1769 01:56:56,160 --> 01:57:00,390 know, are interested in what we're doing. But yeah, so I'm 1770 01:57:00,390 --> 01:57:03,330 just and then I'll be very, I'll be very tight. Yeah, I'm bailing 1771 01:57:03,330 --> 01:57:05,700 out tonight. So I'm sorry. What do you got any? You're gonna 1772 01:57:05,700 --> 01:57:08,130 hang with you got anyone? By basically are you going to be 1773 01:57:08,130 --> 01:57:09,420 okay, if I leave you alone? 1774 01:57:09,900 --> 01:57:15,780 I'll be okay. I'll be okay. Now I get I'm gonna go hang out. 1775 01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,570 First thing I'm going to do is eat because I'm freaking 1776 01:57:18,570 --> 01:57:19,290 starving and 1777 01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,100 not eaten. Well, no. I'm gonna go 1778 01:57:23,130 --> 01:57:26,190 get some food. And then I'm going to meet up with John 1779 01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:29,070 Spurlock. I think cool. He said he wanted to talk about some 1780 01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:29,520 stuff. 1781 01:57:29,550 --> 01:57:31,860 Yeah, but if you watch you watch him 1782 01:57:33,540 --> 01:57:38,160 talk about some stuff and then just say you know, say goodbyes 1783 01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:43,110 and stuff. I'm me. I'm trying to decide and decide if I want to 1784 01:57:43,530 --> 01:57:47,640 leave early tonight and Dinges like split the difference like 1785 01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:51,540 maybe drive for hours tonight crash somewhere underway. Crash 1786 01:57:51,540 --> 01:57:54,570 get around a roadside hotel and then do this do the next leg 1787 01:57:54,570 --> 01:57:58,710 tomorrow morning. That would get me back earlier than like five 1788 01:57:58,710 --> 01:58:00,120 o'clock in the afternoon tomorrow. 1789 01:58:00,750 --> 01:58:05,790 Yeah, you know it's you whatever you want to do do it and I think 1790 01:58:05,790 --> 01:58:08,940 we can agree the board and management of which you are 1791 01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:14,280 equal shareholder will approve this prove this is a huge 1792 01:58:14,700 --> 01:58:20,460 expense. Double approved. We we we actually did that on taxes. 1793 01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,910 I'm going to order that shitty breakfast burrito room serves 1794 01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:29,730 Yeah, I'm doing the same approved approved okay. We're 1795 01:58:29,730 --> 01:58:32,580 careful with the with the community funds here. You know, 1796 01:58:32,850 --> 01:58:36,270 we it's highly appreciated. What comes in there's no frivolity 1797 01:58:36,300 --> 01:58:36,840 involved. 1798 01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,690 No, none. All right. Well, 1799 01:58:39,690 --> 01:58:44,010 you say goodbye for anybody I didn't see and tell him. Yeah, 1800 01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:47,850 had a good time. Yeah, Dynamite was great. Third time in our 1801 01:58:47,850 --> 01:58:49,560 lives, we've actually been together in the same way. 1802 01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:52,710 It was really good. It's amazing that we've done so much crazy 1803 01:58:52,710 --> 01:58:54,210 crap and we've only met three times 1804 01:58:54,270 --> 01:58:58,230 just goes to show. Yeah, safe travels, safe travels my brother 1805 01:58:58,230 --> 01:59:00,600 right at me. Hi, everybody. Thank you very much for being 1806 01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,870 here once again for the board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 We 1807 01:59:03,870 --> 01:59:06,870 will be back next Friday. Please join us William till that 1808 01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:07,770 everybody bye bye. 1809 01:59:23,580 --> 01:59:28,140 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1810 01:59:28,140 --> 01:59:31,620 index.org For more information, podcast