Episode 99: Airhorns are LIT!

100:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,750podcasting 2.0 for August26 2022 Episode 99 air horns are200:00:06,750 --> 00:00:11,910lit hello everybody welcome tothe official board meeting of300:00:11,910 --> 00:00:17,670podcasting 2.0 coming to youlive from right nearby the400:00:17,670 --> 00:00:21,540grassy knoll in Dallas Texas.time once again for your weekly500:00:21,540 --> 00:00:23,310board meeting find outeverything that's going on with600:00:23,310 --> 00:00:27,570podcasting 2.0 What's happeningwith the namespace what went on700:00:27,570 --> 00:00:30,900and podcasts index in somebrevity and of course everything800:00:30,900 --> 00:00:34,890happening at podcast index dotsocial I'm Adam curry here in900:00:34,890 --> 00:00:40,320the Heart of Dallas, Texas andin Alabama. No way to force down1000:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,620the man who slept like a babylast night say hello to my1100:00:43,620 --> 00:00:48,000friend on the other end ladiesand gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones1200:00:48,869 --> 00:00:52,889who is whose Jr Jay gets beatJr. No1300:00:52,890 --> 00:00:57,660no any James who shot Jr. Oh,remember that? Remember that?1400:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,730Jr? Yeah,1500:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,650my child of the 80s failed me. Iwas I was almost there. I forgot1600:01:04,650 --> 00:01:08,670about the who shot thing. I justfigured that year Jr. and I'm1700:01:08,670 --> 00:01:10,500the like the chick with the wavyhair.1800:01:10,530 --> 00:01:14,670No, no, you're you can be Bobbyyou can be Bobby Ewing. Bobby1900:01:14,670 --> 00:01:17,460was always he was also the manfrom Atlantis. So we had x ray2000:01:17,460 --> 00:01:18,330all the skills.2100:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,780It was It wasn't fair falsetto.That was it was the No no,2200:01:24,780 --> 00:01:30,810it was a Sammy Jo. HeatherLocklear. Heather Locklear. Oh2300:01:30,810 --> 00:01:35,550yeah, Sammy Joe, who didn't havea Sammy Joe poster on the wall2400:01:35,550 --> 00:01:36,300back in the day.2500:01:36,810 --> 00:01:40,050I had a poster of a Lamborghini.So okay, I2600:01:40,050 --> 00:01:41,220didn't know there you go.There's2700:01:41,490 --> 00:01:44,460Sammy. Joe had a Lamborghini.You never got the Lamborghini.2800:01:44,459 --> 00:01:45,539I never got Sammy Joe.2900:01:47,340 --> 00:01:48,360Those true statements.3000:01:49,650 --> 00:01:54,030So we are live from Dallas.Podcast Movement. 22. I'm on the3100:01:54,030 --> 00:01:57,33026th floor. I think you're on 23or 21.3200:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,500Whatever, anyone.3300:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,820It's always so interesting. Butthis is kind of the best way I3400:02:02,820 --> 00:02:04,860was like we were talking lastnight Why don't we just do it3500:02:04,860 --> 00:02:07,710the way we always do it you sitin your room? Said I don't it's3600:02:07,710 --> 00:02:10,860weird. It's weird to do a showthat you do with someone3700:02:11,340 --> 00:02:14,220remotely all the time. And thenif you sit next to each other in3800:02:14,220 --> 00:02:18,840the room now it doesn't workfeels weird. I don't feel good3900:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,290about that.4000:02:19,290 --> 00:02:23,610staring at you like a so thatwas going on. I don't think we4100:02:23,610 --> 00:02:26,370need to go through all of thecontroversies that have taken4200:02:26,370 --> 00:02:29,250place here. Podcast Movement,pretty much everybody has read4300:02:29,250 --> 00:02:30,180about it, I guess.4400:02:31,770 --> 00:02:36,600I have think of learnings that Ican share. Yeah, please. Have4500:02:36,600 --> 00:02:43,320three learnings. Okay. Allright. This year it's in and my4600:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,820voice is completely rigged by4700:02:44,820 --> 00:02:48,330the way you sound. Barry, he'sthe Barry White of podcasting.4800:02:48,330 --> 00:02:48,600Ladies,4900:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,130gentlemen, let me let me let metell you this everywhere you go5000:02:53,280 --> 00:03:00,180in, in this place, there islittle music. You cannot have a5100:03:00,180 --> 00:03:03,630conversation with me but withanyone without yelling at the5200:03:03,630 --> 00:03:07,020top of your lungs. Yeah, theentire time is like after four5300:03:07,020 --> 00:03:10,080days. I'm like the voice isgone. It's completely wrecked.5400:03:10,110 --> 00:03:16,050Yeah, I had the Sheratonbreakfast burrito, not good eat5500:03:16,050 --> 00:03:16,530piece5600:03:16,590 --> 00:03:20,760of crap. And it's lukewarm. Sowe both had room service. And we5700:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,430both inadvertently ordered thesame thing. We're not sharing5800:03:23,430 --> 00:03:28,800room. And and we compared notesand like what was that drag that5900:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,130they threw into it into atortilla? It was just it's not.6000:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,860It's nasty. There's no servicein hotels anymore. And it's also6100:03:37,860 --> 00:03:41,160married to Sheraton but it'sowned by the Marriott. You6200:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,640remember one article when ourvacation fell apart going to6300:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,160Aruba so we went to FortLauderdale stayed at the Four6400:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,330Seasons also owned by Marriottit was even a bigger piece of6500:03:51,330 --> 00:03:56,790shit than this is now but it'sservices gone away there's just6600:03:56,790 --> 00:03:59,340no you know people I think the Idon't think they have enough6700:03:59,340 --> 00:03:59,790people6800:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,810you and I literally went tothere is a there's a branded6900:04:03,810 --> 00:04:08,010Marriott across the street. Itliterally went there to eat7000:04:08,010 --> 00:04:11,520lunch just to escape the noisethat yeah, in an hour.7100:04:11,580 --> 00:04:14,550It's the energy to you know,there's just there's a lot of7200:04:14,550 --> 00:04:16,920energy from a lot of differentpeople. I've been to many7300:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,390conferences, you've been toconferences. But there is no no7400:04:21,390 --> 00:04:25,200quiet space anywhere. That'spartially the acoustics of the7500:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,290building. But you're right yeah,everyone's just Well, first of7600:04:28,290 --> 00:04:31,050all, we're talking a lot youknow, I don't know about you,7700:04:31,050 --> 00:04:33,450but I don't talk this much. Inmy normal day.7800:04:34,530 --> 00:04:36,480I hang out with accountants allday, so I'm not7900:04:39,000 --> 00:04:39,870I need the horn to8000:04:41,610 --> 00:04:45,600Oh, man, I wish we gotta getthat gotta get we gotta get that8100:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,520horn. It was what Okay, what'syour third learning?8200:04:51,690 --> 00:04:55,290Oh, no, my second learning. Oh,I'm sorry. Your second learning?8300:04:55,320 --> 00:05:01,800Yes, I'm gonna number two. No,the the body Wash in the shampoo8400:05:02,550 --> 00:05:06,720in the shirts and shower. Ithink it's the same thing on the8500:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,880inside with just a differentlabel on it.8600:05:09,059 --> 00:05:10,859It's actually canola oil8700:05:13,740 --> 00:05:18,690rapeseed oil. It's all yes.Yeah, it's, it's a law, it's the8800:05:18,690 --> 00:05:19,680shampoo is a lie.8900:05:19,710 --> 00:05:23,940It's all it's always fun to haveyour shampoo, body wash and9000:05:23,940 --> 00:05:26,430conditioner bolted to the wall,it just makes you feel like9100:05:26,430 --> 00:05:29,640you're in prison. I just feellike I'm gonna sell man. Like,9200:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,090what is.9300:05:31,380 --> 00:05:37,050My third learning is that BenShapiro is the equivalent, he's9400:05:37,110 --> 00:05:41,370the human equivalent of uranium235, he can harm you, merely9500:05:41,370 --> 00:05:45,480being in the room with you. Thatis something I did not know9600:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,670about, about humanity.9700:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,450I did a full 30 minute overviewof my impression of the9800:05:51,450 --> 00:05:56,910conference and the so calledindustry that is here. So if you9900:05:56,910 --> 00:06:00,000want to get a full dirtyrundown, that will be a place to10000:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,230listen. I don't want to put toomuch nastiness. Because we had a10100:06:04,230 --> 00:06:08,040really good time, we hung outwith a lot of cool, cool people,10200:06:08,040 --> 00:06:13,950all of the 2.0 people that thatcame out. And I'd say based upon10300:06:13,950 --> 00:06:17,130this controversy, andinterestingly, how people10400:06:17,130 --> 00:06:22,020responded to it. This wentbeyond politics. I tweeted, and10500:06:22,020 --> 00:06:25,830people didn't understand that inan odd way, this controversy10600:06:26,220 --> 00:06:30,930kind of brought America a littlecloser together. Because no, you10700:06:30,930 --> 00:06:34,710know, a very frequent post orreply to this Twitter thread10800:06:34,710 --> 00:06:39,330would be I don't agree withanything Shapiro says, but what10900:06:39,330 --> 00:06:41,640is this? You know, so it kind ofbrought people a little bit11000:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,470together. And it really, I'vespoken to many, well, a couple11100:06:46,470 --> 00:06:49,050of friends over the past. Infact, I spoke to a buddy of mine11200:06:49,050 --> 00:06:51,420who lives I want to have lunchor dinner with him, but I'm11300:06:51,420 --> 00:06:55,290gonna go, Oh, my God, I can'thang out with you, Vic. I said,11400:06:55,590 --> 00:06:58,530you know, what, Where's all thiscoming from? He had this. This11500:06:58,530 --> 00:07:02,160is core. This is corporateAmerica right now. And he said,11600:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,890The only difference is, youknow, it seems like in the11700:07:04,890 --> 00:07:07,140podcasting world, they may haveactually put numbers on the11800:07:07,140 --> 00:07:10,770quotas, but in general, it'sjust like, there's this equity11900:07:10,770 --> 00:07:14,580balancing act. That sucks. Itjust sucks. And then, you know,12000:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,670and the virtue signaling, whichis clearly what happened here,12100:07:18,540 --> 00:07:22,650Brent, but looking at this levelof quote, unquote, D,12200:07:22,650 --> 00:07:26,430platforming, and, you know,other threats that were made to12300:07:26,430 --> 00:07:28,980people about well, if you know,there's complaints about you,12400:07:28,980 --> 00:07:35,490you gotta get out of here. Ithink that the entire podcasting12500:07:35,490 --> 00:07:39,5402.0 Orchestra, which has, youknow, contains banjos,12600:07:39,540 --> 00:07:42,090washboards, triangles, andThurman's.12700:07:42,300 --> 00:07:43,830Am mouth juice harps.12800:07:45,690 --> 00:07:50,910That's a good one. Yes.Congratulate yourself. We we12900:07:50,910 --> 00:07:56,700built the escape hatch, just intime. The escape hatch, is there13000:07:56,700 --> 00:08:00,450the escape hatch from themonetization you're not going to13100:08:00,450 --> 00:08:06,450get? Because it's really notavailable to everybody? I don't13200:08:06,450 --> 00:08:12,570think I think it's a very smallgroup have in my mind, very ESG13300:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,370related type of podcast orprojects or consultancies, that13400:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,790are companies that do thesethings specifically, that are13500:08:20,790 --> 00:08:24,090taking a lot of of the moneyflow. So I think value for In13600:08:24,090 --> 00:08:28,740fact, there were a couple ofwomen from Africa pods at our13700:08:28,740 --> 00:08:29,400session.13800:08:29,850 --> 00:08:34,470Yeah, I know this. And others.Oh, you spoken to them? Well,13900:08:34,950 --> 00:08:38,280let me I don't know them knowthem. But I've communicated with14000:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,740him over email. Because I'vereached out to him because I14100:08:41,100 --> 00:08:45,030reached out to him a while backis this, this is a good thing to14200:08:45,030 --> 00:08:47,160talk about. Because I reachedout to them a while back and14300:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,040said, Hey, I just want to makesure that we have all the14400:08:50,040 --> 00:08:57,540podcasts that you have in thedirectory, right? Because you we14500:08:57,540 --> 00:09:02,400have you know, we've we had theguy from Nairobi on about you14600:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,210know, he's doing Bitcoin stuff.And, like, I just want a know14700:09:06,210 --> 00:09:12,990that Africa is a emergingpodcast ecosystem. So I just14800:09:12,990 --> 00:09:16,050want to make sure that we haveall that stuff. So reached out14900:09:16,050 --> 00:09:20,880and everything is just verynice. And then I talked to the15000:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,100guys at disk disk topia.15100:09:23,610 --> 00:09:26,280Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's anotherhosting company.15200:09:27,060 --> 00:09:31,080Yeah, it's it's a very well, sotheir DNA is really cool. Like15300:09:31,170 --> 00:09:36,630they it I think, I think it's ablack owned business. And so15400:09:36,630 --> 00:09:39,030they they have really, they'retelling me they have a really15500:09:39,030 --> 00:09:42,630good relationship with Afropods. And we get talking about a15600:09:42,630 --> 00:09:46,050lot of this stuff, which isreally cool DNA company because15700:09:46,050 --> 00:09:48,480they started out, they weretelling me all about their15800:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,970history. And they started outwith seeing these these young15900:09:53,970 --> 00:09:58,140artists, like hip hoppers andthese kinds of guys that were16000:09:58,140 --> 00:10:02,940just signing their life away tolike Spotify. but they were they16100:10:02,940 --> 00:10:05,280were like don't do that justdon't just don't do that let16200:10:05,430 --> 00:10:06,060date and so they16300:10:06,060 --> 00:10:09,120so that their music guy he hadthat music guys, right? Yeah,16400:10:09,210 --> 00:10:14,370yeah their music streaming guysfor indie for indie musicians,16500:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,220and they say they're like, Okay,you know, their pitch is kind of16600:10:17,220 --> 00:10:20,400like this I hope I'm gettingthis ride to pitches like don't16700:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,430sign your life away just to getthe excitement of being on16800:10:23,430 --> 00:10:28,770Spotify comm site sign with us,you're gonna get way better,16900:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,030better stream rates, we're gonnayou know we're going to pay you,17000:10:33,540 --> 00:10:36,660we're actually going to pay youin where you're gonna get money.17100:10:37,710 --> 00:10:40,980And then there's like awindowing thing where it's okay,17200:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,520you're going to be exclusive onus. And you're going to tell all17300:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,600your fans, you know, go listento like, listen to our new album17400:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,710on dystopia, you know, and thenafter like six months, I don't17500:10:52,710 --> 00:10:55,560know how long it is after acertain amount of time, then you17600:10:55,560 --> 00:11:01,710can go on to the other platformsand but it gives them a chance17700:11:01,710 --> 00:11:06,090to to have all their stuffexclusive and give a better rate17800:11:06,090 --> 00:11:09,510get better money. And it also atthe same time builds dystopias,17900:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,020you know, base. Yeah, sure andhave a bigger and bigger lately,18000:11:13,140 --> 00:11:16,740like the way they were taught.Those guys are cool, man, I18100:11:16,740 --> 00:11:20,430really, really, really good.Yeah, no, they're great. And18200:11:20,430 --> 00:11:23,160they've just gotten intopodcasts and audiobooks. And18300:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,290they're trying to build thatstuff up. So18400:11:25,469 --> 00:11:29,189anyway, that I love that. Well,the afternoon that for pods,18500:11:29,189 --> 00:11:32,909ladies, I think the CEO, I keptmeeting or in the elevator,18600:11:32,909 --> 00:11:36,509which was kind of weird andcreepy. At the same time, I felt18700:11:36,509 --> 00:11:39,389like this woman's thing. I'mstalking her. We're on the same18800:11:39,389 --> 00:11:44,999floor as it turns out. And sothe two main things in Africa,18900:11:44,999 --> 00:11:47,459there's a huge radio culture ofcourse, you know, that that's19000:11:47,459 --> 00:11:50,789how they've been getting theword out. And it's all you know,19100:11:50,789 --> 00:11:54,059limited range pretty local radiostations, it's the same in the19200:11:54,059 --> 00:11:57,269Caribbean. And but you know, inAfrica, it's really prevalent.19300:11:57,899 --> 00:12:02,429And so now that everybody hassome form of a device that can19400:12:02,429 --> 00:12:05,459at least you know, depending onbandwidth, but you know, there19500:12:05,459 --> 00:12:10,379you go, enter, like the flipphone and what was a pod? Pod?19600:12:10,499 --> 00:12:14,129What What's that app on the onthe flip phone? They also use?19700:12:14,699 --> 00:12:19,079Pod LP pod LP yeah. And sothey're super interested in19800:12:19,079 --> 00:12:21,959value for value because the youknow, the bitcoin is understood19900:12:21,959 --> 00:12:26,069very well in Africa, which Ilove. I love that everyone here20000:12:26,069 --> 00:12:30,119is like an African of like, hellyeah. Because they've they've20100:12:30,209 --> 00:12:33,149know nothing else but debasedmoney their whole life.20200:12:33,990 --> 00:12:36,630But that's what the that's whatthe dystopia guys were telling20300:12:36,630 --> 00:12:41,550me they were like, you know, youmonetization is is almost20400:12:41,550 --> 00:12:44,550impossible in Africa. They'relike, you just it's because what20500:12:44,910 --> 00:12:49,650was it you that said that? Ican't remember who's told who20600:12:49,650 --> 00:12:55,170told me this. Something like bigBitcoin. Bitcoins not know it. I20700:12:55,170 --> 00:12:58,050know who it was is Gary aren't.I was talking to him last night20800:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,490at the James Kirtland meetup.And he said, he said that his20900:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,010because, you know, he's traveledeverywhere. I mean, literally21000:13:05,010 --> 00:13:07,590everywhere has been 130countries and all over Africa21100:13:07,590 --> 00:13:12,060and everything. And he wassaying that I think that Bitcoin21200:13:12,270 --> 00:13:16,350will take off in Africa beforeit takes off pretty much21300:13:16,350 --> 00:13:20,550anywhere else. Because thebecause the sort of us doesn't21400:13:20,550 --> 00:13:23,400need Bitcoin is what he said.But Africa, Africa actually21500:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,570does. Yeah, the countries21600:13:24,570 --> 00:13:27,810between the countries alone,they have different currencies.21700:13:27,810 --> 00:13:30,450And it's very hard to dobusiness with with with your21800:13:30,450 --> 00:13:32,790neighbor country, which we wouldsay as our neighbor state, even21900:13:32,790 --> 00:13:38,250though I realized Africa is big,huge. Yeah. It may not feel like22000:13:38,250 --> 00:13:39,690a state. But you know,22100:13:41,430 --> 00:13:44,340I think he said it has 90countries just one continent.22200:13:44,340 --> 00:13:44,700Yeah.22300:13:44,910 --> 00:13:50,370Yeah. So yeah, and it was greatto be able to meet some of those22400:13:50,370 --> 00:13:55,200people. Because, again, I justthink that, you know, big22500:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,070corporations have been trying tocapture podcasting. And they22600:13:59,070 --> 00:14:02,760failed once again. So, we Ithink we're doing the right22700:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,420thing here. And I and I lovethat these types of people are22800:14:06,420 --> 00:14:09,420emerging and saying, Hey, we seeit, what do we do? How do we get22900:14:09,420 --> 00:14:16,110started? And this is justlooking at all the good energy23000:14:16,110 --> 00:14:20,760that that we had in the in thegroups. When, you know, we had a23100:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,070nice dinner with a whole bunchof people in the hosting23200:14:23,070 --> 00:14:27,210business. You know, there'sthree people from Apple here who23300:14:27,210 --> 00:14:30,060are doing their typical Applething, you know, like, because,23400:14:30,060 --> 00:14:32,190you know, of course, I say, Hey,how you doing when you put the23500:14:32,190 --> 00:14:35,220namespace in? And they give you23600:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,840that Apple smile? Yeah, Applesmile. This is I'm not gonna say23700:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,130anything. That guy23800:14:41,130 --> 00:14:45,060who came in last night at theCridland beer. Did you meet him23900:14:45,060 --> 00:14:48,510the Apple guy? He was he waslike, yeah, he's Apple PR, which24000:14:48,510 --> 00:14:51,750is great, man. That guy is he'stold he represents Apple, so24100:14:51,750 --> 00:14:56,970well. Hi. Hey, how you doing?Hey, I'm awful. Yeah, I couldn't24200:14:56,970 --> 00:14:57,690stop smiling.24300:14:57,900 --> 00:15:02,220Hey, yeah, he's a really niceguy. Did you see? Do you notice24400:15:02,220 --> 00:15:03,720they all have the same grayshirt?24500:15:04,140 --> 00:15:07,440Oh, yeah. Oh uniform. Yeah.Uniform uniform. Yeah.24600:15:08,130 --> 00:15:09,900With the with the with the whiteshirt and the black tie24700:15:09,930 --> 00:15:17,700and the Dockers had a nice hangwith Mark from clean feed last24800:15:17,700 --> 00:15:20,970night went out to dinner withhim. Guy such a good guy very24900:15:20,970 --> 00:15:23,730good guy was first it was nicebecause he's from the UK and he25000:15:23,730 --> 00:15:26,670has a different perspective on alot of things. But he's, you25100:15:26,670 --> 00:15:29,340know, and he we had a realdifference of opinion on some25200:15:29,340 --> 00:15:32,100core issues, which was goodbecause it was nice to talk to25300:15:32,100 --> 00:15:35,460someone with a differentperspective. And he actually25400:15:35,850 --> 00:15:40,740gave me some insight on thingsthat I'm biased about. So but he25500:15:40,740 --> 00:15:43,740does clean it his company'sclean feet and just they won an25600:15:43,740 --> 00:15:49,410Emmy for, for for their stuffsbeing used in films and music.25700:15:49,410 --> 00:15:52,230And it's really interesting. AndI said, Well, we're talking25800:15:52,230 --> 00:15:55,110about the conference said you'renot here to sell subscriptions25900:15:55,110 --> 00:15:57,870said no, I'm really here to meetwith people and learn. And I26000:15:57,870 --> 00:16:01,020like that. Oh, well. Okay, Ijust do you have any requests?26100:16:01,020 --> 00:16:05,130Yeah, sure. Do? I sure do. Isaid I'd like to have EQ per26200:16:05,130 --> 00:16:07,770channel, that's all I need. Youdon't need to put any other26300:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,780processing in. It's just, Idon't have enough inputs in my26400:16:12,780 --> 00:16:18,630life. In the mixer to be, youknow, put three people on remote26500:16:18,630 --> 00:16:22,350through it. And he said, okay,yeah, we actually have that26600:16:22,350 --> 00:16:24,510already. We just figured out howwe want to do it. Because, you26700:16:24,510 --> 00:16:27,450know, he has two types of users.You know, it's real novices and26800:16:27,780 --> 00:16:33,480experts. And also he said he wastalking to us working on maybe26900:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,770putting in some kind of livestreaming stuff that could27000:16:37,770 --> 00:16:39,300integrate with hosting provider.27100:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,510Yeah, yeah, we we talked alittle bit about that. I think27200:16:42,510 --> 00:16:45,750he's, he's trailing. So he'slike the co founder the company.27300:16:45,780 --> 00:16:49,650Yeah. And yeah, he's the, Ithink it's just a bunch of just27400:16:49,650 --> 00:16:52,830two. They're two nerds or twotech guys. Yeah, a couple audio27500:16:52,830 --> 00:16:57,060nerds. Yeah. And they so whenyou tell him when you say hey, I27600:16:57,060 --> 00:17:00,570want to do it's kind ofrefreshing because usually the27700:17:00,570 --> 00:17:04,230context that we have withcompanies like if I contact a27800:17:04,230 --> 00:17:07,830hosting company, it's usuallylike, let me get you in touch27900:17:07,830 --> 00:17:11,790with the tech people. Right?This is like the whole they took28000:17:11,790 --> 00:17:14,130the company to clean feet isthey're nothing but tech people.28100:17:14,220 --> 00:17:18,090So you immediately get a youknow, answers to questions. That28200:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,240the like, they was telling me alittle bit about the difference.28300:17:21,450 --> 00:17:23,790Everybody's getting into thisgame now. And so there's like28400:17:23,790 --> 00:17:27,480squad gas, Riverside, all thesepeople. And he was telling me28500:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,290the difference between, likewhat clean feed does versus what28600:17:31,290 --> 00:17:36,690those guys do. Their thing is,is like audio synchronization28700:17:36,990 --> 00:17:41,280like that their exact with theirwith keeping both sides in sync.28800:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,090Yeah. And like zero latency andall this latency. Yeah. Yeah.28900:17:45,150 --> 00:17:48,840Because they actually they're sosolid that you can use it for29000:17:48,840 --> 00:17:54,240things like was it what theycall it where they do voiceovers29100:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,080and stuff in? In film ladyArtPlace. ADR? Yeah,29200:17:58,110 --> 00:18:02,190additional? Weight is Yeah,additional dialogue recording.29300:18:02,820 --> 00:18:05,460Okay, yeah, you can do it forstuff like that. I mean, it's,29400:18:05,550 --> 00:18:09,540it's really, really solid. Andthey do during the pandemic,29500:18:09,540 --> 00:18:13,860they did all this stuff withlike, film people. And it's, I29600:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,990don't know, it's it was justreally good. That was a good29700:18:16,110 --> 00:18:19,560connection. We talked to him.For what, two hours less29800:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,040than 10 leaves. Yeah, and well,and 30 minutes of that was spent29900:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,330trying to explain to the serverthat any mustard or mustard seed30000:18:27,330 --> 00:18:28,620in the food would kill him.30100:18:28,950 --> 00:18:35,910Yes. He said it's not okay togive somebody else an EpiPen. I30200:18:35,910 --> 00:18:37,470was prepared to jump over. Iknow.30300:18:38,130 --> 00:18:40,710I said right away since you gotan epi pen. Yes, I can Pulp30400:18:40,710 --> 00:18:43,950Fiction you right. And this isno no to that, if that happens30500:18:43,950 --> 00:18:47,340is way too late. Oh, said yeah,I should catch that immediately.30600:18:47,340 --> 00:18:48,180myself. Oh,30700:18:48,180 --> 00:18:50,880okay. First, I don't havebreathing problems. I'm coming30800:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,300over the tape.30900:18:51,510 --> 00:18:53,520Me too. I'm like we need thisguy in our life.31000:18:55,980 --> 00:19:02,670No, good. That's no good at thepodcasting. 2.0 meet up with the31100:19:02,730 --> 00:19:10,560band for Marcis and Buspar guys,in kind of spearheaded, as that31200:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,100was great. It was great gettingto see uh, you know, getting to31300:19:14,100 --> 00:19:21,150see all the hosting companiescome together and, and sort of31400:19:21,990 --> 00:19:26,370declare, declare that, you know,we're there their dedication to31500:19:26,370 --> 00:19:28,980open RSS and they really knowwe're gonna, we're gonna work31600:19:28,980 --> 00:19:32,220together to further the medium,and that content was great. It31700:19:32,220 --> 00:19:32,820was really nice,31800:19:32,850 --> 00:19:38,160outstanding, the only thing Iwould add. But there were still31900:19:38,160 --> 00:19:44,160a lot of, if not explicitly, theimplied, like, we have to do32000:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,300this to make apple and Spotifysee what we're doing and start32100:19:48,300 --> 00:19:53,580complying with the standards. Ijust wanted to add, you know,32200:19:53,610 --> 00:19:57,060there's also a lot of, let mejust use the word uplifting we32300:19:57,060 --> 00:20:00,690can do have the current appsthat are already The producing32400:20:00,690 --> 00:20:05,790this. So, you know, we need towe need to lift these apps up,32500:20:05,970 --> 00:20:12,030educate customers, listenerspodcasters that there are apps32600:20:12,030 --> 00:20:15,330and they're mature enough. Youknow, I mean, it's a very32700:20:15,330 --> 00:20:18,300personal thing, obviously. Butat least someone needs the32800:20:18,300 --> 00:20:23,820experience. And you know, atthis point is like if you if you32900:20:23,820 --> 00:20:26,370have Chiclets, you know,subscribe, or listen, you know,33000:20:26,370 --> 00:20:33,090it's not sufficient just have apodcast index logo. You know, I33100:20:33,090 --> 00:20:34,800think we should be promoting theapps.33200:20:36,390 --> 00:20:39,570So I was talking to Kevin andTom and Dan Benjamin about this33300:20:39,570 --> 00:20:44,010yesterday at lunch. And we'retalking about the app33400:20:44,010 --> 00:20:48,720specifically. And they, youknow, they were looking at a few33500:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,700of them. And, like, Kevin wassaying, he's a designer by33600:20:54,900 --> 00:21:00,030trade. And so he was like, youknow, he said, The problem here33700:21:00,120 --> 00:21:04,890with, with the, with adverseSyria, caster that with the,33800:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,610with the current crop of 2.0apps, and he said, they're,33900:21:08,910 --> 00:21:14,850they're technologically sound.But you pass a point where the34000:21:14,850 --> 00:21:19,140technology of the app is, isjust not that. It's just not.34100:21:21,300 --> 00:21:26,100Oh, man, hold on a second, Dave.And so hold on, Dave, when you34200:21:26,100 --> 00:21:29,580said you reach a certain point.Okay, do I34300:21:29,580 --> 00:21:33,870drop it? Yeah. Okay, you reach apoint where the, where it's not34400:21:33,870 --> 00:21:38,130the technology, that's, that'sholding the app back. It's not34500:21:38,130 --> 00:21:41,190the technology, that's theproblem. Because the technology34600:21:41,190 --> 00:21:46,170of the app is sound, it's thedesign, it's the UI, in in,34700:21:46,170 --> 00:21:52,380that's actually much harder inthe technology, because, like34800:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,980designer and good, good UIdesign is really hard. It's34900:21:58,980 --> 00:22:03,180subtle. There's, you know,that's, that's a really that's a35000:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,370real difficult thing. And wejust spent some time talking35100:22:05,370 --> 00:22:09,420about how hard it is. And thisis not this is true with all of35200:22:09,420 --> 00:22:15,030open source, all of open sourcethat you can tell the difference35300:22:15,030 --> 00:22:20,220between an open source app, and,and one that's not usually in35400:22:20,250 --> 00:22:25,080the Polish of the of the UI, andthe subtlety of how it35500:22:25,080 --> 00:22:30,600interacts. And it's just becausethe is because designers, they35600:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,390don't, they're not going to workfor free. I mean, there, you got35700:22:33,390 --> 00:22:36,780to pay those guys that are goodat it. And they're not, there's35800:22:36,780 --> 00:22:41,460not a lot of design help in theopen source world. So like, I35900:22:41,460 --> 00:22:46,470think some of what, hold back.Let's take an app like pod verse36000:22:48,540 --> 00:22:56,640is, it's technologically sosolid, but that it's like, I'm36100:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,190afraid Mitch would have to spenda bunch of money to get a36200:22:59,190 --> 00:23:03,900designer to come to come in andlike reorganize the way that it36300:23:03,900 --> 00:23:10,830functions in order to make itfeel like like an app. See here36400:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,130in this for the prom, I'm thatI'm struggling even even now.36500:23:14,340 --> 00:23:17,070Let me help you out. Let me jumpin here for a second. So first36600:23:17,070 --> 00:23:21,600of all, there's also a timefactor, it takes time to create36700:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,260an app, go back and look at thefirst iPhone, the first podcast36800:23:25,260 --> 00:23:29,460app. And you know, how has thatevolved? And of course, it's36900:23:29,460 --> 00:23:33,240not, you know, one person justdoing all the work himself like37000:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,020most of the app developerswithin the group, but they have37100:23:37,020 --> 00:23:42,660entire team. So there is justtime, the feedback loop. The37200:23:42,660 --> 00:23:45,690benefit, of course of, and Idon't think it's open source,37300:23:45,690 --> 00:23:49,710per se, I think it's really justmaturity, things take time. If37400:23:49,710 --> 00:23:53,850you don't have a designer, it'sgoing to take much longer for37500:23:54,270 --> 00:23:59,760you to even get to a point whereit's usable. And I'll add to37600:23:59,760 --> 00:24:06,300that, I think, who are there'sprobably 3000 artists, I know37700:24:06,750 --> 00:24:10,770who I can reach out to who doart work for no agenda every37800:24:10,770 --> 00:24:13,920single every single show, someof those people are actual37900:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,360designers. And I'm quite surethat a number of them would be38000:24:18,360 --> 00:24:23,250more than happy to hook partnerup with somebody. And maybe they38100:24:23,250 --> 00:24:25,560have a little bit of experience.Maybe they have a lot, maybe38200:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,930they have none. You know, theseare the types of things I'm38300:24:27,930 --> 00:24:31,890looking for. Maybe we'll getsome new ideas. That doesn't38400:24:31,890 --> 00:24:35,700necessarily have to mean thatsomeone has to go out and hire a38500:24:35,700 --> 00:24:38,190designer, we've just this is agood point. I've just never,38600:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,310never thought of going andlooking for them and putting out38700:24:41,310 --> 00:24:44,100the call which I'm going to doand let's see. Let's see who38800:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,880shows up and anyone who'sinterested. You know, just shoot38900:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,550off a mail. They'll just go topodcast index dot social and39000:24:50,550 --> 00:24:55,080request an invite we'll send youone. The problem might have been39100:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,380maybe I'm misunderstanding isjust because the apps aren't39200:24:58,620 --> 00:25:02,790mature. I don't think is areason to not highlight them and39300:25:02,790 --> 00:25:06,180show people where it's going. Ithink there's a lot of that,39400:25:06,180 --> 00:25:08,970well, the apps not really goodyet. Well, that's also not true.39500:25:09,330 --> 00:25:13,680Some of these apps aredifferent. I personally find39600:25:13,710 --> 00:25:16,830some of the standard like Apple,I'd find boring. You know, it's39700:25:16,830 --> 00:25:19,080like, I like these new things.They're a little funky, maybe39800:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,110I'm different. But if we don'texpose people to it, and you39900:25:22,110 --> 00:25:24,900have to show both sides, becauseI could say the exact same for40000:25:24,900 --> 00:25:28,650hosting companies, a lot of themare implementing things in ways40100:25:28,650 --> 00:25:34,680that don't make sense to me. Soit's you UI UX is on both ends40200:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,190of the spectrum is as long asand then put it ahead. These are40300:25:38,220 --> 00:25:40,590these are experimental, theseare new, but here's where you40400:25:40,590 --> 00:25:42,990can see what's working. Nowwhat's coming. I mean, this40500:25:42,990 --> 00:25:47,700education has to happen. And andI made that point during that40600:25:47,700 --> 00:25:52,320dinner, like, that's where thereal education of podcasting 2.040700:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,050will take place is the hostingcompanies, they educate their40800:25:55,050 --> 00:25:56,280people all the time.40900:25:57,780 --> 00:26:02,220Yeah, we typed the context. Sothe context of the conversation41000:26:02,220 --> 00:26:07,410was essentially because becausesomebody you know, some of them41100:26:08,220 --> 00:26:13,080don't want to name it said, weknow. Y'all really need to do41200:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,840some, some thinking about this,because nobody cares. Nobody41300:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,030cares about this stuff. Nobodycares about these features, all41400:26:21,030 --> 00:26:24,780this kind of thing. It was likewell, incident that led to the41500:26:24,810 --> 00:26:30,120to the idea of you know, it'sjust a naysayer. And then that41600:26:30,120 --> 00:26:35,010led to the discussion of Whoa,you don't delete the listeners41700:26:35,010 --> 00:26:39,420don't care. Because they don'tknow they're supposed to. Like,41800:26:39,510 --> 00:26:44,580if once you once you seesomething like pod verse, pop up41900:26:44,580 --> 00:26:49,020a live stream notification,you're like, I don't ever want42000:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,380that to not be on my phoneanymore. Right? Right. But I've42100:26:52,380 --> 00:26:56,730never had it. And so like, ifyou had to describe it to me,42200:26:57,420 --> 00:27:02,460six, you know, six years ago, ifyou'd describe to me, what about42300:27:02,460 --> 00:27:04,590would you want a livenotification to pop up in your42400:27:04,590 --> 00:27:07,950phone when the podcast went, youknow, goes live? I'd been like,42500:27:09,030 --> 00:27:13,050maybe? I mean, it wouldn't havebeen like, super, I would have42600:27:13,050 --> 00:27:16,200been just kind of hohem aboutit. But then when I see it in42700:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,570action, and I can actually doit. It's like, yeah, I want that42800:27:21,570 --> 00:27:24,840forever. I want all of my appsto do that. And there's every42900:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,010one of the podcasts and 2.0apps. Every one of them has a43000:27:29,010 --> 00:27:34,800feature that I feel like I can'tI now can't live without. But I43100:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,000know that I wanted it before.Yes. Then that led, you know,43200:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,280and so then that leads to Okay,well, how do you get in the next43300:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,970step of that this domino, thingis how do you get people to try43400:27:47,970 --> 00:27:51,000these things out? And then youknow, so that was we were43500:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,860flipping through and looking ata bunch of different apps. And43600:27:52,860 --> 00:27:56,970it's like, well, this, you know,I want to convince a friend of43700:27:56,970 --> 00:28:02,370mine to use, such as app, it'slike the, the people are vain.43800:28:02,370 --> 00:28:04,470And that first impression islike, they don't want to give it43900:28:04,470 --> 00:28:09,720a chance. It just is all in thiscontext of like, where's How do44000:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,530you? How do we get rid of allthese sort of vanity adoption44100:28:13,530 --> 00:28:14,250problems?44200:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,000Well, but But it's, it's allbullshit. And I'll tell you why.44300:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,100Because I've lived this movie. Ilived it for five, six years.44400:28:24,870 --> 00:28:28,860This is ridiculous. I got aright click and copy a thing.44500:28:28,860 --> 00:28:33,540What's XML? Like? No one willcare. RSS means nothing. This44600:28:33,570 --> 00:28:37,680doesn't make any sense to youwho wants to listen to people in44700:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,860a soliloquy? I've heard it allfor five, six years, and it took44800:28:40,860 --> 00:28:45,120a really long time. By the way,we wouldn't eat here's what44900:28:45,150 --> 00:28:55,260could possibly happen. Now,someone like NPR, PBS. So there45000:28:55,260 --> 00:28:58,230could be an entity that justdecides to start using one of45100:28:58,230 --> 00:29:02,070these and I mean, I don't seeyou if I were if I had NPR is45200:29:02,070 --> 00:29:06,540money. I would you know, and Iwas smart, not like the Pocket45300:29:06,540 --> 00:29:09,750Cast deal. You know, I wouldwhip up something that just45400:29:09,750 --> 00:29:13,320worked for my NPR podcast withall these features. You know45500:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,190that anything like that canhappen. Podcasting works in45600:29:17,190 --> 00:29:20,400these very, there's there'ssomething that just goes viral45700:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,350about them and it's typicallycontent related. I'll just45800:29:25,350 --> 00:29:30,540remind everybody that podcastingwas the darling of the media. It45900:29:30,540 --> 00:29:34,560was beautiful. This is thefuture money was flowing. And46000:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,340then we got YouTube Facebook,Twitter and no one as there was46100:29:38,340 --> 00:29:43,140it No, it's a shit aboutpodcasting Facebook. Okay. I'm46200:29:43,140 --> 00:29:47,490not kidding. It really it reallywas a YouTube now he's got to be46300:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,160all video that no one caresabout audio. It's video now. In46400:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,320fact, I allowed myself also tobe persuaded and we even changed46500:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,780the name of the company from podshow to me vo to pander to The46600:30:00,810 --> 00:30:04,920venture capital and theindustry. Oh yeah, we do video.46700:30:05,850 --> 00:30:08,280Now, of course, we actuallydoing video podcasts which are46800:30:08,460 --> 00:30:11,520quite impossible with storageand bandwidth. And it was just46900:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,600the whole thing was nuts. But itwas also a mistake. And then in47000:30:16,050 --> 00:30:19,950was it 2016? What broughtpodcasting back to the47100:30:19,950 --> 00:30:24,840forefront? Was cereal. And thereason why was a beautiful47200:30:25,950 --> 00:30:30,000confluence of events, where we'dall just gotten to Oh, yeah,47300:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,060let's just add the Netflix intothat. Oh, my God, we don't have47400:30:33,060 --> 00:30:35,730to wait. We're streaming. We'rebinging. It's great. We're47500:30:35,730 --> 00:30:44,610binging five seasons of House ofCards and just just binging and47600:30:44,610 --> 00:30:46,860then all of a sudden here wassomething granted murder47700:30:46,860 --> 00:30:52,170mystery. True Crime. Verycompelling topic. People like47800:30:52,170 --> 00:30:55,680that. So it was content. And thefact literally that you had to47900:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,070wait a week, this would this wasa whole new feeling for people.48000:30:59,070 --> 00:31:03,090Oh, boy, I can't get it. I haveto wait. Oh, I can't wait. And48100:31:03,090 --> 00:31:07,620that catapulted podcasting. Backinto the stratosphere. You've48200:31:07,620 --> 00:31:12,630got to give Joe Rogan his props.Who's who helped many people48300:31:12,630 --> 00:31:15,660start their podcasts. But thisis so it's all content driven?48400:31:18,030 --> 00:31:22,350Yeah. It's funny, because thatthe talk the toll that you and I48500:31:22,350 --> 00:31:25,530did, I guess it was God, itfeels like an eternity ago. Now.48600:31:25,530 --> 00:31:30,150I guess Wednesday? Yeah, that'swhat we did. Then. I used48700:31:30,780 --> 00:31:35,250screenshots of a lot of thedifferent apps. So we will talk48800:31:35,250 --> 00:31:38,190about and like that. It was,that was good. Yeah, we talked48900:31:38,190 --> 00:31:40,680about features. Okay, here's afeature. And then here's a49000:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,850screenshot of that of an of thethis feature in action in an49100:31:44,850 --> 00:31:49,680app. And I've gotten a bunch offeedback of people saying, they49200:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,090really appreciated seeing thosescreenshots, because they're49300:31:54,090 --> 00:32:00,120not, they're not using the apps.And so they're like, oh, it kind49400:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,680of understood the concept of theperson tag. But when I see it up49500:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,820on the screen, in the app, I'mlike, Oh, now I get it. Now I49600:32:08,820 --> 00:32:15,300get why that's a good feature.And that's, so they're all these49700:32:15,300 --> 00:32:19,230features arrived, thesefeatures. These features are49800:32:19,230 --> 00:32:24,900exciting to people. But youcan't, I guess you can't, you49900:32:24,900 --> 00:32:25,800can't force it.50000:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,550You can't force it. But you havethe hosting companies have to50100:32:29,550 --> 00:32:32,880show the other side. They'renot. They're doing things but50200:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,340they're not. It's not in theirDNA, to say here's, you know,50300:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,970however they need to communicateit. I don't think anyone's50400:32:41,970 --> 00:32:43,740really doing that. Well, the pot50500:32:43,740 --> 00:32:46,140and you in what you always saythe podcaster has to do it too.50600:32:47,970 --> 00:32:50,430But the podcast is they need tofind out about it, they need to50700:32:50,430 --> 00:32:53,580know what supported, you know,the people get into a rhythm of50800:32:53,580 --> 00:32:56,550flow, they don't want to I don'tknow what that is yet. So50900:32:56,580 --> 00:33:00,270there's that piece. And I justwant to warn everybody, if51000:33:00,270 --> 00:33:04,620you're still doing this to getApple on board, it's it's51100:33:04,650 --> 00:33:08,460misguided energy, they'll comeif they feel like it. And if51200:33:08,460 --> 00:33:11,340they don't, they won't, but itdoesn't mean that it's has no51300:33:11,340 --> 00:33:16,410reason to exist. You don't needthose guys. You can make your51400:33:16,410 --> 00:33:19,140customers very, very happy withthe end people are out there51500:33:19,140 --> 00:33:22,650learning. You know, Dave, we'vebeen doing the numbers,51600:33:22,650 --> 00:33:24,480everyone's been talking aboutthe numbers, let's just let's51700:33:24,480 --> 00:33:32,340just be, let's just be 100 aboutthis fire. There's very few51800:33:32,580 --> 00:33:36,480active podcasts, it's really amuch smaller number. Now there's51900:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,480a lot of things that updateslowly over time, there's52000:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,190archival stuff, but in generalshows that are lively, have52100:33:44,190 --> 00:33:48,090communities that that followalong from week to week, or52200:33:48,300 --> 00:33:53,490whatever it is, it's not a hugenumber. So there's plenty,52300:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,390plenty of room plenty ofopportunity. I was52400:33:57,420 --> 00:34:01,740so I was doing scrolling throughsome sessions yesterday, just52500:34:01,740 --> 00:34:06,240trying to find let's try andfind stuff. Interesting things52600:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,200and also stuff to mock and laughat. So there's there's equal52700:34:10,200 --> 00:34:16,380amounts of both here, which isgreat. So, but I went into a52800:34:16,380 --> 00:34:22,140session from Rob Walsh at Lipsonand he was saying it like, the52900:34:22,140 --> 00:34:25,860beginning of the session wasabout how the 4 million number53000:34:26,880 --> 00:34:33,480the 4 million plus number inpodcasting is is bullshit. I'm53100:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,830like, okay, whatever. So then hesays, but his point was is53200:34:37,830 --> 00:34:40,740pointless valid. He's like, youknow, if you think you're going53300:34:40,740 --> 00:34:42,960up against 4 million podcasts,you're really not going up53400:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,810against 4 million podcastsyou're going up about you're53500:34:45,810 --> 00:34:49,470gonna really against about 480Something 1000 Because that's53600:34:49,470 --> 00:34:52,590the number that's consistentlyin the 90 day range roughly.53700:34:52,650 --> 00:34:54,120I think that's it.53800:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,660If you start pairing that down,you start getting more specific53900:34:57,660 --> 00:35:02,160and you exclude radio shows thatrebroadcast weekly sermons from54000:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,150churches, if you start, if youreally pare the number down, you54100:35:06,150 --> 00:35:11,070can get that down to about150,000 shows that are actively54200:35:11,070 --> 00:35:16,470publishing on a regular basis.Those are those are yours. So,54300:35:16,620 --> 00:35:20,280you know, don't think of it thisway. But if you wanted to think54400:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,010of it this way, those are yourcompetitors. You know, like, if54500:35:23,010 --> 00:35:26,640you're trying to get intopocket, that's fair, okay. Fair54600:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,970enough. Fair number. That, thatshows you that those that54700:35:32,970 --> 00:35:37,140number, you know, the ecosystemis actually is actually quite54800:35:37,140 --> 00:35:43,980small. Yeah. In in, so just alittle bit of voice can make a54900:35:43,980 --> 00:35:48,120big can move the needle Allahlike you, you, you highlight on55000:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,030no agenda each week, youhighlight a different podcast,55100:35:51,030 --> 00:35:57,660app 2.0. App. And we know fromthe people from the from the app55200:35:57,660 --> 00:36:01,110developers manage and Steven B.And we know that when when, when55300:36:01,110 --> 00:36:04,500you do when you mentioned, one,it moves the needle, I mean,55400:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,310they get new users. I mean, youknow, like, sometimes a large55500:36:08,310 --> 00:36:13,590amount of new users. So justjust having, you know, talking55600:36:13,590 --> 00:36:18,690about it in the podcasters,podcasters, have to have to55700:36:18,690 --> 00:36:23,100understand this. If you tellyour audience, you know, I55800:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,340really want you to go try outthis app, because it's a really55900:36:26,340 --> 00:36:30,900great experience to listen toour show, they will do it. Yep.56000:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,390They will do it. And and, and itdoes, it makes a difference. And56100:36:36,390 --> 00:36:39,630then that, that brings theseapps up, it allows them to get56200:36:40,260 --> 00:36:44,670to get bigger, have more ofmore, you know, opportunity,56300:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,670like they have premium they getthat gives them more money to do56400:36:47,670 --> 00:36:52,410better design is just it. It allstarts with the message just56500:36:52,410 --> 00:36:53,670like it does for value forvalue.56600:36:54,059 --> 00:36:57,419Well, and yes, it does. And nowthis is a question of how on my56700:36:57,419 --> 00:37:04,589list, we are almost at episode100 199. So I'm going to ask you56800:37:04,589 --> 00:37:08,549this question. Now. Since it'sbeen, we've been doing this56900:37:08,549 --> 00:37:12,779almost two years. I think thisthis is this is a big thing that57000:37:12,809 --> 00:37:17,609people overlook this. And youknow, there's always ongoing57100:37:17,819 --> 00:37:22,229discussions about value forvalue versus tipping versus no57200:37:22,229 --> 00:37:25,349one sends me any money is, youknow, on and on and on and on.57300:37:25,469 --> 00:37:29,399It's like we we've we've seenall the reasons people want to57400:37:29,399 --> 00:37:34,589fail. I want to ask you, DaveJones, for the past two years,57500:37:34,949 --> 00:37:37,889how has your value for valueexperience been?57600:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,199That was not the question. Ithought you were going to ask57700:37:46,199 --> 00:37:46,709me, that's57800:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,270maybe a very hard question foryou to answer. But when we57900:37:51,270 --> 00:37:56,460started this program, this showwe started the, the project, you58000:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,330know, I convinced you and youhad it, you took no convincing,58100:38:00,330 --> 00:38:02,730I said dude will do this valuefor value. That's how we stay58200:38:02,730 --> 00:38:07,620independent. It'll work youwatch. So I think we both agree58300:38:07,620 --> 00:38:10,050that it worked, because youknow, we hold our head above58400:38:10,050 --> 00:38:13,950water. But in general, just youknow, the whole from beginning58500:38:13,950 --> 00:38:17,910to end from because we've westarted asking for Pay Pal,58600:38:17,910 --> 00:38:20,640we've actually, as the firstproject I've been involved in58700:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,500transitioned over to full onvalue for value SATs, not full58800:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,050on because we still havemonthlies and big and we do have58900:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,280supporters who come in with likea $500. Pay Pal for a month,59000:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640which is great, but it's allstill value for value, have59100:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,870never having done it. I'd liketo kind of hear about your59200:38:39,870 --> 00:38:43,740experience and your experiencewith it.59300:38:44,730 --> 00:38:48,600I think my experience it.There's an analogy here that I59400:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,290can't quite put my finger on butand maybe it'll come to me in a59500:38:52,290 --> 00:38:58,260minute. But the I think myexperience is that it took a59600:38:58,260 --> 00:39:06,030while to understand. Like ittook probably months, maybe a59700:39:06,030 --> 00:39:12,090year before I finally understoodthe full, like the full scope of59800:39:12,090 --> 00:39:18,540what it meant. Because you getthe vet value for value is about59900:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,270is about the full feedback loop.And you said that from the60000:39:24,270 --> 00:39:27,840beginning, but sometimes it justtakes a while to get it in your60100:39:27,900 --> 00:39:33,060to like see it to visualize it.Now I can explain value for60200:39:33,060 --> 00:39:37,620value and it does. Effortless. Ijust I can just do it to anyone60300:39:37,620 --> 00:39:40,950who asks, I can give them thefull rundown of how of how the60400:39:40,950 --> 00:39:45,060concept works. But in the in inthe early days, I was like well,60500:39:45,060 --> 00:39:51,510it's about it's about givingyour content away, and then60600:39:51,510 --> 00:39:54,750asking your audience to give youback the value. It's about not60700:39:54,750 --> 00:39:59,970putting it behind a paywall.It's about it's about not care.60800:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,610hoping the prize or I wouldalways just get sort of get60900:40:02,790 --> 00:40:07,560focused in on one aspect of itand lose the big picture of what61000:40:07,800 --> 00:40:17,310of what the whole thing is. Andthat's, I think the maturity of61100:40:17,490 --> 00:40:21,090my understanding of what valuefor value is. Took a long time,61200:40:21,090 --> 00:40:26,310because now, I'm finally not, Idon't get it pigeonholed anymore61300:40:26,310 --> 00:40:32,640I can, I can just see the wholething. It is the, because people61400:40:32,640 --> 00:40:39,270will say it like it also what,you know, I people don't value61500:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,780my content, or, you know, Ican't just give away my content61600:40:42,780 --> 00:40:45,990or the you know, there's,they're saying, they're61700:40:45,990 --> 00:40:48,960essentially saying that they'rethat they don't feel valued when61800:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,880they don't, if they don't chargesomething, or if they don't have61900:40:55,170 --> 00:41:03,690control over the price. Butthat's, you, you never the62000:41:03,690 --> 00:41:08,040problem there is you never hadcontrol over the price. This,62100:41:08,070 --> 00:41:11,790this is the thing that peoplethat people miss, I believe, is62200:41:11,790 --> 00:41:15,420that they think that by puttinga price on something, or putting62300:41:15,420 --> 00:41:19,260it behind a subscription, orwhatever, they think that that62400:41:19,260 --> 00:41:23,460means that they are in controlof how much people pay them. But62500:41:23,460 --> 00:41:28,530that's, that's, that's not true.You, you're still not in62600:41:28,530 --> 00:41:32,460control, because people justwon't buy your product. They're62700:41:32,460 --> 00:41:36,870just, they're just not you canhave a lemonade stand and charge62800:41:36,900 --> 00:41:42,840$1 per cup. And think, well, I'mnow in control of the pricing.62900:41:43,170 --> 00:41:47,880And I'm now I can, I'mcontrolling my income, but63000:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,230you've missed the, the the 47people that come by and buy a63100:41:52,230 --> 00:41:56,100cup of lemonade. That's great.But what about the 125 people63200:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,830that just walk by never do itbecause that dollars too much?63300:41:59,370 --> 00:42:04,050Or, or they they walk by in theopposite end of that they walk63400:42:04,050 --> 00:42:07,050by and they say this like $1 fora cup was like that must not be63500:42:07,050 --> 00:42:12,900very good. And I keep walking bylike your, your, your exclude63600:42:12,900 --> 00:42:19,980your desire for control overwhat you over the over the value63700:42:19,980 --> 00:42:25,890proposition is eliminating,you're putting on your future63800:42:25,890 --> 00:42:31,590potential earnings. Becauseyou're excluding people. You63900:42:31,590 --> 00:42:33,150think you're not but you are.64000:42:33,810 --> 00:42:39,420It's, it's it is a differentframe of mind. And I mean once64100:42:39,420 --> 00:42:42,060you can kind of get over thatand it is big and but you know,64200:42:42,210 --> 00:42:45,900talk to some people talk to JenBriony, she told me what she's64300:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,660doing per episode, she and herhusband are not nomads, they64400:42:48,690 --> 00:42:51,180they love staying in hotels allover the world, they'll stay for64500:42:51,180 --> 00:42:55,440a month or two. And you know,she's, we start her on value for64600:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,410value divorce actually coachedthe hell out of her for as long64700:42:58,410 --> 00:43:02,160as I can remember. And, andshe's and there's a number of64800:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,850people who are doing it verysuccessfully. We you have to get64900:43:05,850 --> 00:43:09,600over it. You just have to erasethe thinking. It's to me, it's,65000:43:09,900 --> 00:43:14,160it's another part of like,Rancors. You know, the the only65100:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,950is like, Oh, this you have to beon the chart. You have to be65200:43:16,950 --> 00:43:21,810number one. It's none of itstrue. None of it is true. We65300:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,350this show is not even submittedto Apple podcasts. You can't get65400:43:25,350 --> 00:43:29,310me you have to subscribemanually. It's not there. And65500:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,440yet, all you have to do is goahead.65600:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,140We have 200 we have 250subscribers. The only subscriber65700:43:37,140 --> 00:43:40,560count I know is overcast,because he puts that in as user65800:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,180agents so we can see it. We have250 people that subscribe to us65900:43:45,180 --> 00:43:52,020on overcast, overcast is purelydependent on the iTunes66000:43:52,020 --> 00:43:56,970directory for the source of itspodcast feeds. We're not in app66100:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,940in it in the Apple podcastdirectory. So that means 25066200:44:02,940 --> 00:44:07,920People just on overcast just onovercast, I copied and pasted66300:44:07,950 --> 00:44:13,350our feed off of podcastsindex.org and put it copied it66400:44:13,410 --> 00:44:19,710and pasted it into overcast.That's the only way to do 25066500:44:19,710 --> 00:44:24,960People in 2022 Yeah, that'shilarious. That cracks me up to66600:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,420no end. And that tells you howhow far people are willing to go66700:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,630to get the content that theywant and how much they value it.66800:44:35,159 --> 00:44:41,399You know, the this is going tobe a weird analogy. But for me66900:44:41,429 --> 00:44:44,459because I've been doing valuefor value for so long, it's67000:44:44,459 --> 00:44:48,329second nature, but theexperience of trying something67100:44:48,359 --> 00:44:52,199and then it works something thatyou are convinced or you you67200:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,229have a bias an unconscious biasbecause you know you think oh67300:44:55,229 --> 00:44:57,569you have to be number one yougot to be on the charts you got67400:44:57,569 --> 00:45:00,239to have you know this manydownloads you got to get to ad67500:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,959networks, whatever it is, or,or, you know, yeah, easy for you67600:45:03,959 --> 00:45:06,479to say, but drive them curries.So lots of people want to give67700:45:06,479 --> 00:45:14,579you money. Okay, no. But for me,I had this type of experience67800:45:14,579 --> 00:45:19,499not too long ago. And it's like,you don't really realize how67900:45:19,499 --> 00:45:24,749prayer works until you try itand something works. You know,68000:45:24,779 --> 00:45:28,799it's like, oh, okay, hold on asecond, there may be something68100:45:28,799 --> 00:45:32,909to this. Yeah, that that kind ofsurprise. Experience is what you68200:45:32,909 --> 00:45:37,769get with value for value whenyou try it. And when you when68300:45:37,769 --> 00:45:42,419you ask, and people, it'samazing every single time. I68400:45:42,419 --> 00:45:46,709mean, I'm blown away. When Marcogives us $500 a month, and like68500:45:46,739 --> 00:45:48,869that, that still blows me away.68600:45:49,829 --> 00:45:55,109That I guess the biggest voice,the biggest voice this bid,68700:45:55,259 --> 00:46:00,089there's been really vocal about,you know, I won't say it's anti68800:46:00,089 --> 00:46:05,849value failures, just like aboutgiving against giving away your68900:46:05,849 --> 00:46:11,279content for free, is the tenorCampbell guy. And he's just, you69000:46:11,279 --> 00:46:13,739know, he just rails about a cangive your way your content for69100:46:13,739 --> 00:46:17,729free listeners suck. They do.They just want you know, they69200:46:17,729 --> 00:46:19,949don't really have been trained,they've been trained not to give69300:46:19,949 --> 00:46:23,399you an you know, not to valueyou. And that kind of in that's69400:46:24,509 --> 00:46:27,299Understand, understand that youwould get there. Because when69500:46:27,299 --> 00:46:31,619he, when he explains it, I'mlike, Oh, sure, I understand how69600:46:31,619 --> 00:46:35,939you're thinking would land youat that place. But the value for69700:46:35,939 --> 00:46:41,699value mindset, the read, you'venever mind, my responses, you've69800:46:41,699 --> 00:46:46,319never tried it, you've neveractually tried it. Because the69900:46:46,319 --> 00:46:53,219big to me, the biggest issuewith value for value is that you70000:46:53,219 --> 00:46:57,539are let you, you, the contentcreator are telling the world70100:46:58,709 --> 00:47:04,349that you value your content.You're saying you're expressing70200:47:04,349 --> 00:47:09,689to the world, how much you careand value your content. And that70300:47:09,689 --> 00:47:14,309lets them pick up on it. If yougive it away for free, and you70400:47:14,309 --> 00:47:19,439never ask, and you never tellhow much value that you think70500:47:19,439 --> 00:47:24,359the content is worth. How do youexpect them to know? Yeah. Oh,70600:47:25,859 --> 00:47:26,249yeah,70700:47:26,340 --> 00:47:31,860it's another part of the it's alittle frustrating that we don't70800:47:31,860 --> 00:47:34,890need to worry too much aboutthis. But you know, it's just70900:47:34,890 --> 00:47:37,740like, well, we need this to getreally adopted, we need71000:47:37,740 --> 00:47:40,860adoption. We need to have thispeople talking. And that's just71100:47:40,860 --> 00:47:44,790not how it that's just not howit will ever work. You know,71200:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,830that type of instantgratification adoption. You71300:47:49,830 --> 00:47:54,180know, YouTube spends millions ofdollars to promote their YouTube71400:47:54,180 --> 00:47:58,620page, Twitter, everyone's tryingto do something. They have71500:47:58,740 --> 00:48:06,180massive scale, but it's like 10things take time. They just do71600:48:06,180 --> 00:48:09,240and podcasting is it's justhistorically because it's71700:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,120decentralized because a lot ofmoving pieces have to come71800:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,220together. There is no shortcut.And look at how far we've come71900:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,610from two years ago. Two yearsago ah, this is just some crazy72000:48:23,610 --> 00:48:27,000nut job Republican right wingthing for the Curry's doing he72100:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,030trying to get to where we aretoday where we have apps and72200:48:33,030 --> 00:48:38,610hosting companies and you know,multiple wallet providers72300:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,890jumping in, you know, so it'sworking, but I don't it's just72400:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,250it's just irritates me to belike, well, you know, Joey it's72500:48:47,250 --> 00:48:50,220still the will Appalachiansapples to apples. They don't.72600:48:51,030 --> 00:48:52,470Yeah, they don't72700:48:53,010 --> 00:48:58,380feel like I feel like this isthe down the downslope of the of72800:48:58,380 --> 00:49:02,340the emotional roller coaster ofthis conference. Where it's72900:49:02,340 --> 00:49:05,640like, we're just, yeah, we'rejust bitching about podcast73000:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,030consulting is really what thisall is. Yeah. You said it from73100:49:09,030 --> 00:49:12,330day one. You're like, you'relike you like half the people73200:49:12,330 --> 00:49:16,710hear just podcasts, consultantsand 100 per century is like Oh73300:49:24,750 --> 00:49:26,580can we get a booster grip?Please tell me got a booster73400:49:26,580 --> 00:49:27,300grab? No.73500:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,430Yeah, it's just inevitable thatafter like three or four days of73600:49:35,430 --> 00:49:38,820this, you're just like, oh, ohmy god. Can we please stop73700:49:38,820 --> 00:49:42,090talking about monetizationstrategies? And you know, all73800:49:42,090 --> 00:49:42,390this73900:49:42,630 --> 00:49:45,240bull crap? Yes. Yes.74000:49:45,269 --> 00:49:47,309But I mean, we're talking aboutsome tech stuff. Yeah,74100:49:47,309 --> 00:49:52,289I did want to say that just towind it up. It's a very human74200:49:52,289 --> 00:49:55,199trait. People are always lookingfor ways to explain why they74300:49:55,199 --> 00:49:59,279will fail. You know, this. Thisis just it's very typical. It's74400:49:59,279 --> 00:50:02,579an I understand And but I justwant I'm just going to keep74500:50:02,579 --> 00:50:07,589hammering it that we continueto. I love it just we need to74600:50:07,589 --> 00:50:11,549lift all voices, lift all apps,lift everybody up, make sure74700:50:11,549 --> 00:50:14,489you're promoting everybody elsethat's, you know, in these74800:50:14,489 --> 00:50:17,669charts and Rancors they justhave no place in the New74900:50:17,669 --> 00:50:22,979International lifestyle of valuefor value. I wanted to give some75000:50:22,979 --> 00:50:28,709feedback I was looking at thisis tech stuff before. I would75100:50:28,709 --> 00:50:30,509hope that the road was here.75200:50:31,650 --> 00:50:32,910I were they not I?75300:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,999I mean, I don't know if they areI haven't. Is there? Is there75400:50:35,999 --> 00:50:39,329another floor that I should bewalking? Have this come up? Are75500:50:39,329 --> 00:50:43,139you looking for the expo hall?Maybe that's well, maybe that's75600:50:43,139 --> 00:50:44,129what I was looking for?75700:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,610Yeah, we're all the world ofbooth, like the the bevy of75800:50:47,610 --> 00:50:48,210booths or75900:50:48,210 --> 00:50:50,760I'm afraid to walk through therenow after what I said yesterday76000:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,210on the show. Yeah. Punch me.76100:50:55,199 --> 00:50:56,489They may ask you to leave76200:50:56,579 --> 00:51:01,019politely Yes. Because I'mharming others. Mr. Curry,76300:51:01,289 --> 00:51:03,239can we have a discussion,please. So I76400:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,419have, I have one piece offeedback for for road on there76500:51:06,419 --> 00:51:10,649otherwise excellent road casterPro two years my only request to76600:51:10,649 --> 00:51:16,709date. So they have a channel, aseparate channel for the pads.76700:51:16,889 --> 00:51:20,219And I like the pads because Ican, you know, hit my bell when76800:51:20,219 --> 00:51:24,329I don't have my bell. You know,it's muscle memory, right? So76900:51:24,329 --> 00:51:27,779these are big, rubbery things.So, you know, it's like, I can77000:51:27,779 --> 00:51:31,949hit that and in my hand knowswhere to go. And that's, and I77100:51:31,949 --> 00:51:38,129love it. The problem is, there'sno apparent way to apply any77200:51:38,129 --> 00:51:43,379processing to that channel. Soany so here and this is what I77300:51:43,379 --> 00:51:47,519mean, I'm going to give you anexample. So this is coming from77400:51:47,519 --> 00:51:52,829the pad boost. This is comingfrom my own system running77500:51:52,829 --> 00:51:57,719through a process channel.Boost. Boost, I don't hear that77600:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,659much right there actually, isnot a great example difference77700:52:01,409 --> 00:52:05,249that I hear it's not a greatexample. Okay. But because you77800:52:05,249 --> 00:52:09,209don't have compressor limiter,you can't really push it and77900:52:09,209 --> 00:52:12,509push the quieter spots don'tget, you know, brought up78000:52:12,509 --> 00:52:16,649automatically. It's just anoversight, obviously, you know,78100:52:16,649 --> 00:52:19,559it's like I you know, yeah, weneed to be able to process that78200:52:19,559 --> 00:52:24,419one too. That's the only thing Ineed rode. Okay, all right. How78300:52:24,419 --> 00:52:24,629about you78400:52:25,350 --> 00:52:29,280make a clip make a clip of thatand put it on put and send it to78500:52:29,280 --> 00:52:36,840road this is okay. All right. Wegot we got to do this. We've got78600:52:36,840 --> 00:52:43,470to take the the awful air hornthing. Yeah, whatever that78700:52:43,470 --> 00:52:47,070whatever that is. Yeah, we'vegot to hide it into Hilah pad78800:52:47,070 --> 00:52:48,750with with a magic no magic78900:52:48,750 --> 00:52:50,880number this fires it. Yeah.79000:52:51,570 --> 00:52:54,480gotta you gotta send us boostuntil you hit the magic number79100:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,320and then you get the proper youget that thing. And we're not79200:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,830going to tell79300:52:58,830 --> 00:53:00,570it. Just get a good one there.That was great.79400:53:00,599 --> 00:53:06,959I'm getting better. I'm gettingbetter. Okay, so we should I was79500:53:06,959 --> 00:53:14,189talking to Mike from IV, IV APHistory iv.fm. And he was79600:53:14,189 --> 00:53:16,979bringing up that we should hewas like, Hey, I'm think we79700:53:16,979 --> 00:53:23,159should rebroadcast pod pings.Like and when he means the so79800:53:23,879 --> 00:53:25,769he's like, you know, they're notat not all the hosting companies79900:53:25,769 --> 00:53:29,009are doing it yet. And so there'sno there's always a large80000:53:29,009 --> 00:53:34,919portion of the feed of episodediscovery that we is like if I80100:53:34,919 --> 00:53:39,629just if we discover an episodefaster than y'all do, we could80200:53:39,959 --> 00:53:43,469send that back out into podpaying, if we just discovered it80300:53:43,469 --> 00:53:47,819organically you know, throughfeed polling. We could send that80400:53:47,849 --> 00:53:52,319out onto pod paying. And theneverybody gets the benefit of80500:53:52,319 --> 00:53:57,719seat of us of seeing it in a bitand so maybe through that80600:53:57,719 --> 00:54:04,589process, everything would befaster so we talked it out for80700:54:04,649 --> 00:54:08,939for a while. In a month thefirst concern there is that80800:54:08,939 --> 00:54:12,419you're going to get into a podpain circle then you're gonna80900:54:12,419 --> 00:54:16,499get into an endless loop becausehe knows I'm gonna see the pod81000:54:16,499 --> 00:54:21,959pain come through find the findan episode rebroadcast the81100:54:21,959 --> 00:54:25,259episode and it's just gonna belike, you know, you get you're81200:54:25,259 --> 00:54:29,789gonna DDoS the whole pod payingnetwork, get get feed, that's81300:54:29,789 --> 00:54:34,979not gonna get fit in and fixthat part. But then the other81400:54:35,459 --> 00:54:39,809thing is you don't necessarilywant if people find it at81500:54:39,809 --> 00:54:45,479different times. Let's just saythat we're polling IVs polling.81600:54:47,279 --> 00:54:49,889I don't know who else would pulla list Okay, let's say Pocket81700:54:49,889 --> 00:54:53,399Casts. I think they run theirown index. internally. Let's81800:54:53,399 --> 00:54:56,909just say that they pole and weget them on board. A few81900:54:56,909 --> 00:54:59,669different different people intheir in their rebroadcasting82000:54:59,669 --> 00:55:02,249these things I think what weneed, I think it will work. And82100:55:02,249 --> 00:55:08,549I think it's a good idea. But Ithink what we need and I need to82200:55:08,549 --> 00:55:12,629talk to Alex and Brian aboutthis is a, perhaps a reason82300:55:12,629 --> 00:55:18,779code. And the reason code wouldbe something like found. So it82400:55:18,779 --> 00:55:22,499would indicate, here's a pod, itwould say, here's a pod paying,82500:55:22,529 --> 00:55:26,249right? For a feed update. Butit's not. But this feed update82600:55:26,249 --> 00:55:31,889didn't is not canonical from thesource of the feed. It's It was82700:55:31,889 --> 00:55:36,719discovered organically,somewhere else within the piping82800:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,729network. And so when when I seea pod pain that comes through82900:55:41,729 --> 00:55:45,359with a reason code of have foundor discovered or whatever this83000:55:45,359 --> 00:55:50,579thing is, I would know that Icould treat it differently. I83100:55:50,579 --> 00:55:53,939would know that I now, okay,now, this is just somebody else83200:55:53,939 --> 00:55:59,489telling me they found somethingtoo. I can look. I know, I know,83300:55:59,489 --> 00:56:03,209number one not to rebroadcastit, right, because to keep the83400:56:03,209 --> 00:56:08,459circle from happening, but thenI would also know that I could83500:56:08,459 --> 00:56:11,549treat it a little bitdifferently. I could say, Okay,83600:56:11,609 --> 00:56:16,049I may have already discoveredthis. So I can look at try to do83700:56:16,049 --> 00:56:21,899some time stamp, caching, maybea cooldown period, something83800:56:21,899 --> 00:56:27,059like that. I think it can work.And so in the benefit here is83900:56:27,059 --> 00:56:29,489that we're never going to beable to reach all hosts. Right.84000:56:29,489 --> 00:56:34,319So you get 4 million feeds. Andwe we can get a lot of of84100:56:34,319 --> 00:56:35,879hosting companies on board.84200:56:36,659 --> 00:56:39,179That's a really that's a reallyinteresting idea.84300:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,320I think so. I think so. I mean,it would just help everybody84400:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,140would help everybody. Yeah.Because because you're gonna so84500:56:46,140 --> 00:56:52,770some, some obscure podcast hostin, you know, Bulgaria that,84600:56:53,370 --> 00:56:58,920that we just can't really get intouch with and contact. Then84700:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,600only maybe hosts, you know, 1000feeds. This would we don't have84800:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,740to go that far like that. Itlets us get the benefit of pod84900:57:07,740 --> 00:57:12,180paying, without having toliterally re onboard everybody.85000:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,960Hundreds of people. Yeah. I likethat. Like,85100:57:15,990 --> 00:57:20,340that's a cool idea. Yeah.There's no feedback. There's no85200:57:20,340 --> 00:57:23,100end to the creativity in thisshit. I love it. And I love it.85300:57:23,100 --> 00:57:28,050So cool. Now, did I do we talkabout Cameron? With IPFS85400:57:28,050 --> 00:57:33,690podcasting that he's looking to?He's got this idea of dynamic85500:57:33,690 --> 00:57:39,960value blocks. Oh, no. So yeah.So his idea is and I think he85600:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,100has some code to okay, we mightwant to have him on pretty soon85700:57:44,100 --> 00:57:48,300if he's ready for it and readyto talk about it. Okay. So, the85800:57:48,300 --> 00:57:54,810idea is, since IPFpodcasting.com has information85900:57:54,810 --> 00:57:59,820about which node is hosting whatwhich is, has has episodes86000:57:59,820 --> 00:58:08,970pinned in it think he can alsoknow when a node is used to to86100:58:08,970 --> 00:58:17,280access an mp3 file. And the ideahere is to dynamically change86200:58:17,280 --> 00:58:23,040the value block. So that thatnode then gets compensated with86300:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,560X amount determined by you know,whoever,86400:58:26,760 --> 00:58:27,780for that session.86500:58:29,550 --> 00:58:32,430So they get a split of the valuefor value payments.86600:58:33,449 --> 00:58:36,989In this is to compensate theIPFS node for pinning the86700:58:37,019 --> 00:58:38,159correct content,86800:58:38,190 --> 00:58:41,310not just well, not just for thepinning, but for the, for the86900:58:41,310 --> 00:58:42,600ACT for the for the download.87000:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,810Ah, that's really interesting.87100:58:47,369 --> 00:58:51,059I like by the way, the pinning,pinning by itself is not a bad87200:58:51,059 --> 00:58:54,239idea. Except, you know, youcan't, you know, when we get to87300:58:54,239 --> 00:58:57,899like 100 nodes pinned it, that'sa problem. But there's always87400:58:57,899 --> 00:59:01,679going to be one or I, who knows,I don't know how to how, who87500:59:01,679 --> 00:59:06,629knows how IPFS works under thehood. So presumably, every node87600:59:06,629 --> 00:59:07,919would get a hit at some point.87700:59:08,940 --> 00:59:14,970You know, who's big on is a bigIPFS guy is Alberto from our87800:59:14,969 --> 00:59:18,839node. He's running the big nodeI know there's a graph you can87900:59:18,839 --> 00:59:21,779look at the graph you see thisOh, it's all connected to88000:59:21,809 --> 00:59:26,429where's it Italy? No, where'sit? Where's that node? Spain?88100:59:26,459 --> 00:59:29,369Yeah, they put the node in SpainYeah, you can you can see it you88200:59:29,369 --> 00:59:32,789can see the all the pinninggoing on. It makes a lot of88300:59:32,789 --> 00:59:33,449sense.88400:59:34,110 --> 00:59:38,460We were trying to get Cameronand Alberto oh now he's talking88500:59:38,460 --> 00:59:43,500about it Yeah, let's do that.Yeah, like good idea. As they88600:59:43,500 --> 00:59:47,160want to make this better and Iagree because the IPFS I'm just88700:59:48,660 --> 00:59:51,390I just get frustrated with itand maybe maybe maybe it's just88800:59:51,390 --> 00:59:55,230me attorney not turned it off.You know, it turned out that the88900:59:55,230 --> 00:59:58,440FS off on the download on thedatabase download because it89000:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,470just kept crashing all the time.And now it's just HTTPS only.89101:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,300But I need an image which needto talk to Cameron because I89201:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,020feel like I'm missing somethingif there will, if it's stable89301:00:13,020 --> 01:00:16,350enough for them to do all thisstuff with, maybe I'm just an89401:00:16,350 --> 01:00:16,740idiot.89501:00:18,420 --> 01:00:21,150No, now, there's definitelyproblems.89601:00:22,230 --> 01:00:25,950I'm Will I'm okay. I'm okay,taking that on the chin. I'm89701:00:25,950 --> 01:00:27,720alright. If it's me, it's me asI'm good.89801:00:27,750 --> 01:00:34,980I'm just logging into my IPFS.Podcasting? No, it's me. He's89901:00:34,980 --> 01:00:38,850got some real graphs that oh,yeah, here you go. Like no90001:00:38,850 --> 01:00:43,470agenda. It's it's almost like aham radio repeater network where90101:00:43,470 --> 01:00:46,650you can see it on the map, who'sconnected to who? And it's very90201:00:46,650 --> 01:00:51,030interesting. And I guess this isultimately why filecoin was was90301:00:51,150 --> 01:00:56,640was created to function as somecompensation for nodes. But you90401:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,370know, that's where they leaveme. I don't know what the hell90501:00:59,370 --> 01:01:02,010is going on with that. But thisseems, if, if we can make it90601:01:02,010 --> 01:01:06,990work like, okay, a download hitfrom, from this node, you get,90701:01:07,020 --> 01:01:09,930you get the split for the Listenof that episode, which is kind90801:01:09,930 --> 01:01:12,720of fair, because you don't haveto count bits and bytes90901:01:12,750 --> 01:01:15,810transferred. We do it inminutes, because you get you're91001:01:15,810 --> 01:01:17,820getting a split per minute, oryou're getting a part of the91101:01:17,820 --> 01:01:22,290booster gram. So hey, it's likeweb three. Oh.91201:01:26,730 --> 01:01:29,910Nice. Yes, yes. Where it's Web.91301:01:31,380 --> 01:01:33,300Web three, baby. The best91401:01:33,300 --> 01:01:35,970kind of web three is when itdoesn't have any web three. And91501:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,230yes, the best one91601:01:37,229 --> 01:01:38,369eautiful, this beautiful91701:01:40,500 --> 01:01:45,540chat tag or some sort of chatfunctionality for the live item91801:01:45,570 --> 01:01:52,080that this is, this is somethingthat we have to do. Because we91901:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,610thought about the way the waythat Steven, Steven B has been92001:01:56,610 --> 01:02:03,030doing it by just off spec,adding a chat URL to the live92101:02:03,390 --> 01:02:06,750attribute to the live item tag,right? So you say okay, well,92201:02:06,750 --> 01:02:09,540here's, here's where the chatlives, and you can just go like92301:02:09,540 --> 01:02:14,880pull it up and an iframe orsomething. In that that's that92401:02:15,510 --> 01:02:18,240met his needs. But we need to dothis in a better way, a more92501:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,290official way. So that we canhave, like social interact, we92601:02:22,320 --> 01:02:28,650have multiple protocols, XMPPmatrix, right, whatever. And it92701:02:28,650 --> 01:02:34,650just feels like it's needs to beits own tag, instead of trying92801:02:34,650 --> 01:02:39,870to put it into the socialinteract. I don't know why I92901:02:39,870 --> 01:02:44,070can't give you I cannot defendthat. I can't but that93001:02:45,449 --> 01:02:46,709part. Oh,93101:02:48,719 --> 01:02:51,329yeah. Yeah,93201:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,730sorry. Yes, I, I will if we doit. I mean, there's there's,93301:02:57,390 --> 01:03:00,330from what I understand, a lot ofpeople are jacked on matrix,93401:03:00,330 --> 01:03:07,650which is cool. I think Alexgates specifically is XMPP. So I93501:03:07,650 --> 01:03:11,580just want to make sure that wedon't overlook one or be too93601:03:11,580 --> 01:03:18,150biased for another. So you know,it feels like most of the world93701:03:18,150 --> 01:03:21,570that would be all in on this toget it bootstrapped is matrix93801:03:21,570 --> 01:03:22,980and not XMPP.93901:03:25,679 --> 01:03:26,609Z.94001:03:27,150 --> 01:03:30,270That's me, this is completelyunscientific.94101:03:30,630 --> 01:03:35,370If you want to meet podpodcasters where they are now, I94201:03:35,370 --> 01:03:41,100would say that it's actuallyIRC. Because I are seen, yeah,94301:03:41,100 --> 01:03:46,440could see. Okay, think about thelandscape as it exists right94401:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,250now. It's probably the threebiggest live streamers in the94501:03:50,250 --> 01:03:54,570podcasting world that I'm awareof. I'm NME pure podcasters. Not94601:03:54,570 --> 01:04:00,360YouTube, Twitch stuff. Purepodcasters is probably you with94701:04:00,360 --> 01:04:06,420no Gen Z stream. Twit withtheir, with their live stuff,94801:04:07,140 --> 01:04:11,820accidental tech, they also havea big live presence. All three94901:04:11,820 --> 01:04:17,280of those, all three of those areIRC based on their chat. And so95001:04:17,430 --> 01:04:23,190I don't please, I would likesomebody else to tell me who I'm95101:04:23,190 --> 01:04:25,980missing because I know there'sgotta be other live streamers95201:04:25,980 --> 01:04:30,660out there and I would like toknow what they're using. But so95301:04:30,660 --> 01:04:33,360that's that's the if you'regoing to meet with them where95401:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,900they're at. Now what they'recurrently doing, we would95501:04:36,900 --> 01:04:39,570support our see first and thenadd something else.95601:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,930I like that a lot. I like it asa third option. You're right.95701:04:42,930 --> 01:04:47,970It's our it's already working.And it kind of sets us up to95801:04:47,970 --> 01:04:51,750avoid all the you're doing itwith the wrong thing bit because95901:04:51,750 --> 01:04:54,000now everyone will think we'redoing it the wrong way.96001:04:56,340 --> 01:04:57,630Yeah, but we're96101:04:57,630 --> 01:05:01,200going that's a very interestSeeing how many of course that's96201:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,760what lit is already doing that.96301:05:04,799 --> 01:05:08,519Yeah, and there's got to be, Imean, IRC is so old, that96401:05:08,519 --> 01:05:11,249there's got to be lots oflibraries out there that are96501:05:11,249 --> 01:05:16,499available that will be easy tointegrate. If a chat if, if an96601:05:16,499 --> 01:05:20,609app wanted to give full onintegration, right in the app,96701:05:21,689 --> 01:05:26,129where you know, that you canget, you can swipe over to the96801:05:26,129 --> 01:05:33,479chat window, or the chat screenfrom so, like, I like I like96901:05:33,479 --> 01:05:35,999yeah, you're you're swiping backand forth from97001:05:36,389 --> 01:05:39,929well, that's okay. This is agreat example. By the way Harv97101:05:39,929 --> 01:05:44,129had says Twitch is also IRCbased only obfuscated more.97201:05:44,489 --> 01:05:48,359Blair Yeah. Because here's thehere's what happens. Oh, this is97301:05:48,359 --> 01:05:53,969very interesting. So the noagenda chat has been around for97401:05:53,999 --> 01:05:59,06913 years I think. And it wasinitially just an IRC channel97501:05:59,429 --> 01:06:03,629and it was always there for youknow, for for live during the97601:06:03,629 --> 01:06:09,839show during the during theshows, but the no agenda chat is97701:06:09,869 --> 01:06:13,679active 24 hours a day, and theno agenda chat added there. Oh,97801:06:13,679 --> 01:06:16,319the stream I never came up withthat even the chat wasn't my97901:06:16,319 --> 01:06:20,699idea. But there's a communitythat lives in the no agenda chat98001:06:20,729 --> 01:06:23,699all the time. I mean, I'm loggedin most of the time and take a98101:06:23,699 --> 01:06:29,369look see what people are saying.That's a really good I like I as98201:06:29,369 --> 01:06:32,099again, it's like everybody willsay we're using the wrong stuff.98301:06:32,099 --> 01:06:33,839That's that's the way to go.Then you know, you're on the98401:06:33,839 --> 01:06:39,059right path. Yeah, it's mypolitical. I like it. By the way98501:06:39,059 --> 01:06:43,529meet us also said I think wehave 2.4 120 400 subscribers98601:06:43,529 --> 01:06:49,829subscribers on what was it?Podcast? Attic. Oh, really?98701:06:49,859 --> 01:06:52,079Yeah. Yeah. Bad people. People98801:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,199are listening. That is he foundthat out. Is it? Oh, no, no,98901:06:55,260 --> 01:06:57,270I don't know when someone tellsme something like that. I just99001:06:57,270 --> 01:06:58,740take it as truth facts.99101:06:59,579 --> 01:07:02,909Now. Anyway, we're global. We'vegone global.99201:07:03,449 --> 01:07:06,449So we talked about Ellen URLmafia for a moment just to99301:07:06,449 --> 01:07:08,189understand where we are withthose guys.99401:07:08,940 --> 01:07:11,850When you say Ellen URL mafia,you're referring to the lazy ass99501:07:11,849 --> 01:07:15,449bitches. Yes. The ones just likethe eath maxis? Yes.99601:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,740So you call it you call themlazy ass pitches, which, which99701:07:19,770 --> 01:07:23,310allowed allowed me to say thatthe Ellen URL mafia telegram99801:07:23,310 --> 01:07:26,820channel is the lab is the lab ofwhere Ellen URL is built99901:07:26,849 --> 01:07:29,339lazy as pitches yay. Yes.100001:07:32,489 --> 01:07:35,249By the way, they take that as abadge of honor. I know I love100101:07:35,249 --> 01:07:36,209that you called them there.100201:07:37,560 --> 01:07:42,780Yeah, they were I saw it. Yes.So a little bit of history when100301:07:42,780 --> 01:07:47,850I first started looking at valuefor value in a layer two, and I100401:07:47,850 --> 01:07:51,360didn't know what layer two was.The first two things I looked at100501:07:51,360 --> 01:07:58,050were LSAT, which is an APIlayer, payment authorization100601:07:58,050 --> 01:08:02,070token that has to be paid for.And I spent a lot of time with100701:08:02,070 --> 01:08:05,850Ellen URL, or specifically Ellenbits. And I was fascinated by100801:08:05,850 --> 01:08:09,780these extensions that they have,which also included tipping, and100901:08:09,780 --> 01:08:13,110some other things. And, and butyou know, every way I looked at101001:08:13,110 --> 01:08:17,250it, you still had invoices thatneed to be generated, and it was101101:08:17,250 --> 01:08:21,480above my technical hat, orsomething I couldn't just do101201:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,990myself is to be, which means ifI have to set up something on an101301:08:25,050 --> 01:08:28,770on a web server, then no, I'mnot gonna do it. And then I101401:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,810found key send. And for me, as abroadcaster was like, Oh, this101501:08:33,810 --> 01:08:37,440makes so much sense. You justspewing it. And if someone101601:08:37,440 --> 01:08:41,430doesn't have their receiver ontough luck, you know. So it made101701:08:41,430 --> 01:08:44,520a lot of sense for me as abroadcaster. But Ellen, you were101801:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,750always we look, I looked atextensively, I didn't see it101901:08:48,750 --> 01:08:55,980being as easy as key send. Butit was definitely up there. And102001:08:55,980 --> 01:08:59,340so from a technical level, andyou hadn't looked at any of this102101:08:59,340 --> 01:09:02,340stuff back then you were youwere building the index while I102201:09:02,340 --> 01:09:05,880was doing this stuff. And nowthat you have a much deeper102301:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,050understanding of the technologythan I do, is you ln URL viable102401:09:10,050 --> 01:09:11,010in any way.102501:09:12,150 --> 01:09:15,810In your specific you'respecifically talking about and I102601:09:15,810 --> 01:09:16,200want to be102701:09:16,410 --> 01:09:18,360Elon Euro P, I guess right?102801:09:18,389 --> 01:09:27,479He yell in URL PE is what iswhat is it? It is viable for102901:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,489booster grams, only. It willnever work for streaming103001:09:32,489 --> 01:09:36,779payments, it just can't. Right,it can't work that you're you're103101:09:36,779 --> 01:09:41,669going to do streaming payments.So to describe this for Ellen103201:09:41,669 --> 01:09:45,719URL is a really easy thing tounderstand. So it's like putting103301:09:45,719 --> 01:09:50,639a web server in front of yournode. So that because what the103401:09:50,639 --> 01:09:55,319way, the way lightning works bydefault, is it's invoice based.103501:09:55,709 --> 01:09:59,969So the way it's supposed to workis I want Adam to pay me 10103601:09:59,999 --> 01:10:05,099bugs, I generate an invoice for10 bucks, I send that invoice to103701:10:05,099 --> 01:10:09,989Adam. And he in he his walletpays it, and then it settles.103801:10:10,469 --> 01:10:14,189That's the way lightning is wasin the beginning and it still103901:10:14,189 --> 01:10:19,649operates by default, then later,there is this need this need104001:10:19,649 --> 01:10:24,929arose for, for invoice listpayments, where I could send, I104101:10:24,929 --> 01:10:30,299could send money from my node toanother node without having to104201:10:30,299 --> 01:10:34,349have that the destination nodegenerate an invoice beforehand.104301:10:34,619 --> 01:10:37,559Because it's like, that's theway it is with with Venmo. I can104401:10:37,559 --> 01:10:40,079just Venmo you some money, Idon't have to have you generate104501:10:40,079 --> 01:10:44,699an invoice and send it to me.You can but you don't have to.104601:10:45,689 --> 01:10:49,499That's so when that wasdeveloped that the original104701:10:49,499 --> 01:10:56,579incarnation of that was key sendin key send is uses uses on the104801:10:56,579 --> 01:11:00,779fly, sort of dummy invoices. Sowhen a key send payment comes104901:11:00,779 --> 01:11:06,779in, it just receives it as asort of like a dummy invoice105001:11:06,779 --> 01:11:09,539type of thing that it justgenerates just to have something105101:11:09,659 --> 01:11:18,509just to have a hash. The EllenURL was a variation of a105201:11:18,509 --> 01:11:23,849solution to that problem. Whereyou can request you can say I105301:11:23,849 --> 01:11:27,689want to send you a payment, andit will generate one on the fly.105401:11:27,719 --> 01:11:29,729it'll generate an invoice on thefly.105501:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,280Basically just like having alittle dude who sits there all105601:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,820day waiting for people's money,that dude hits an invoice sends105701:11:35,820 --> 01:11:37,230it to you and then you pay.105801:11:37,709 --> 01:11:43,529Yes, yeah. So I can I can sendyou I can send you money without105901:11:43,529 --> 01:11:46,859you having to be involved. Butthere's in order to make that106001:11:46,859 --> 01:11:51,449happen. Your node, thedestination receiving node has106101:11:51,449 --> 01:11:56,789to have a web server in front ofit right in some capacity, so106201:11:56,789 --> 01:12:02,189that it intercepts the requestfor the payment talks to l&d and106301:12:02,189 --> 01:12:06,209says generate an invoice. Oncethe invoice is generated. It106401:12:06,209 --> 01:12:09,989hands it back to you, then youpay it. So that means every time106501:12:09,989 --> 01:12:13,739you pay somebody through ln yourRP, there's a web server and a106601:12:13,739 --> 01:12:18,179web request involved before thepayment settlement happens. So106701:12:18,179 --> 01:12:24,119now you've just increased theworkload on the node by double,106801:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,690and not to mention, because I'vesaid I've set this up, you know,106901:12:27,690 --> 01:12:31,410not to mention, you got to pokeholes in your firewall, do107001:12:31,410 --> 01:12:36,030reverse proxy, get acertificate, make sure their107101:12:36,030 --> 01:12:39,630certificate renews. Yep. Youknow, this is shit that I did107201:12:39,630 --> 01:12:42,750once and like, and then it doescertificate Automatic Renewal107301:12:42,750 --> 01:12:45,060didn't happen. I'm like, fuckit. I'm not even looking at it107401:12:45,060 --> 01:12:46,290anymore. I'm so sick of it.107501:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,360It's a fair. It's a greatseeing. It's a great solution to107601:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,590a problem. But it doesn't.107701:12:52,650 --> 01:12:54,960We don't really work for this.Yeah, we don't really have a107801:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,460problem. Well,107901:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,720I agree with Roy, just thesolution is just use key send, I108001:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,670mean, keys and exists to solvethis exact problem.108101:13:05,700 --> 01:13:09,990I think what's happening here,if I can just take a guess, is108201:13:10,020 --> 01:13:13,200ln URL. I mean, people arewaking up to what we're doing.108301:13:13,620 --> 01:13:16,110And they're waking up andsaying, Oh, these guys are108401:13:16,110 --> 01:13:19,020claiming some victory overtipping. We invented that a long108501:13:19,020 --> 01:13:22,590time ago. What the hell youshould ditch you should be using108601:13:22,620 --> 01:13:25,920Ellen URL, you should be doingthis. Yeah, it's much easier to108701:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,030put an Ellen URL invoice into myinto my feed. Oh, okay. You go108801:13:30,030 --> 01:13:35,640do that. And, you know, andthey're just saying this. And I108901:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,970conclude this because no oneactually looks at what we're109001:13:38,970 --> 01:13:41,760doing known as actuallyunderstood the importance of the109101:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,810streaming sites per minute. Theyhaven't looked into that at all.109201:13:45,810 --> 01:13:50,460But above all, they believe thatjust by telling us we should do109301:13:50,460 --> 01:13:54,150it, that all of a sudden appsand hosting companies are going109401:13:54,150 --> 01:13:59,970to do it. Yeah, it's just anarrogance. Based on being109501:13:59,970 --> 01:14:01,140ignorant, I guess.109601:14:01,740 --> 01:14:05,190But I'm not doing it. And I'mnot going to spend any effort on109701:14:05,190 --> 01:14:08,160it because I Because I'mconvinced that it was just a109801:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,090waste of time.109901:14:09,180 --> 01:14:14,940Can I ask your question though?Amp? Yes. What is the difference110001:14:14,940 --> 01:14:17,310between key send and amp? Andshould we be looking at110101:14:17,310 --> 01:14:18,210supporting that?110201:14:20,010 --> 01:14:22,410Is amp is already supported?It's already in the spec.110301:14:22,740 --> 01:14:24,810It's in the spec, but I don'tknow what it does. I don't know110401:14:24,810 --> 01:14:26,580how it works and why aren't weusing it?110501:14:26,999 --> 01:14:30,449Well, amp is automatic multipathpayments. Uh huh. So it's the110601:14:30,449 --> 01:14:37,049idea that you can split up apayment and and have an have110701:14:37,049 --> 01:14:41,939like Sophie ever an invoice forfor a payment for 10,000 sets a110801:14:41,939 --> 01:14:46,799split that up into fourdifferent batches of 2500 SATs110901:14:46,799 --> 01:14:49,919and send each one of thosethrough different routes. If111001:14:50,129 --> 01:14:53,729it's a way to get past channelchannel liquidity limitations,111101:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,939where you can say, Okay, I'vegot I've got things spread out111201:14:56,939 --> 01:14:59,039amongst multiple channels. Idon't have a single channel that111301:14:59,039 --> 01:15:02,399can hold the whole they canhandle their entire payment. So111401:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,919I'm going to batch I'm going toI'm going to split it, and then111501:15:04,919 --> 01:15:09,449it'll reassemble it on the otherside. So the problem with AP is111601:15:09,449 --> 01:15:13,409that it's the support for it isso spotty, that you get payment111701:15:13,409 --> 01:15:14,609failures all the time.111801:15:14,700 --> 01:15:17,850Oh, yeah, that's okay. So it'snot widely adopted enough. I get111901:15:17,850 --> 01:15:18,000it.112001:15:18,540 --> 01:15:23,190Yeah, and I'm not sure if thisis where I'm getting off this112101:15:23,190 --> 01:15:25,500where I'm getting out of myknowledge. I don't know if see112201:15:25,500 --> 01:15:32,220lightning supports it or not. Itmay still be l&d only All I know112301:15:32,220 --> 01:15:34,530is when you try to do app youjust cross your fingers and hope112401:15:34,530 --> 01:15:38,760it works and half the time itdoesn't so so it's it's112501:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,240technically in the spec butnobody's brave enough to use it112601:15:42,240 --> 01:15:42,480yet.112701:15:42,540 --> 01:15:44,910Right but it's something thatyou it's a bit you flip on the112801:15:44,910 --> 01:15:45,810sending side112901:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,680Yeah, and it's got to besupported it's got to be113001:15:49,680 --> 01:15:50,850supported on the sender113101:15:51,060 --> 01:15:54,750and the path and the and thereceiver everybody the whole113201:15:55,620 --> 01:15:58,200the whole chain down the linehas supported Yeah, okay113301:16:00,420 --> 01:16:03,660good okay, well steady a steadyahead, Captain Baynes.113401:16:04,950 --> 01:16:05,670Steady she goes,113501:16:05,910 --> 01:16:06,660she goes.113601:16:08,370 --> 01:16:09,300We want to thank some people.113701:16:09,540 --> 01:16:13,410Yeah, let me talk about the livebooths that have been coming in113801:16:13,410 --> 01:16:15,930the booster gram since we'vebeen chatting appreciate that113901:16:15,930 --> 01:16:20,040everybody value for value,you're soaking in it. This is114001:16:20,340 --> 01:16:23,310this whole program this wholeproject is run on people who are114101:16:23,310 --> 01:16:27,150interested in the project and apart of it just looking in the114201:16:27,150 --> 01:16:31,170sidelines they get value from itcan't determine what their value114301:16:31,170 --> 01:16:33,780is or why they see value butthey got it and they're sending114401:16:33,780 --> 01:16:36,420it back. That's all we ask fortime talent treasure and the114501:16:36,420 --> 01:16:40,350booster grams are some realtreasure. Let's see we have here114601:16:40,530 --> 01:16:45,690while we've been alive in thelit 4567 from see Brooklyn. I114701:16:45,690 --> 01:16:50,310think that's Carolyn. All right.Here we go. She says give me the114801:16:50,310 --> 01:16:56,580horn. I should have known thatwas coming. This is the only114901:16:56,580 --> 01:16:57,600episode we're gonna do though.115001:16:58,740 --> 01:17:00,330No, no, we're gonna hide it.115101:17:02,310 --> 01:17:05,760We got five sevens, the supersuper striper booths from Mike115201:17:05,760 --> 01:17:12,390Newman. I like this ship. Hesays okay. Chimp 13,579 says115301:17:12,390 --> 01:17:19,950boosting saves lives Sure does.Boost them we have E podcaster.115401:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,9203000 SATs Thank you, Adam andDave for leading the charge. So115501:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,620podcasters like me can easily bepart of the value for value115601:17:25,620 --> 01:17:35,310model gold podcast, podcast. SirSpencer, big row a ducks. 22222115701:17:35,310 --> 01:17:39,960Yes, 22,222. That's a super rowof ducks. And he says I'm so115801:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,720grateful for the value forvalue, lifestyle and mentality.115901:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,950It is an abundance mentality.Most of the people who don't get116001:17:46,950 --> 01:17:50,340it are stuck in a scarcitymentality. And they can't see or116101:17:50,340 --> 01:17:54,270quantify what V four v brings.When we open ourselves to value116201:17:54,270 --> 01:17:56,670for value. We have receivedvalue in ways that are hard to116301:17:56,670 --> 01:18:00,360quantify networking meetups,lifelong friends gifts in the116401:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,990mail. Oh, yeah, I love those.It's not as simple as just SATs116501:18:03,990 --> 01:18:06,840and Pay Pal donations, it goesmuch deeper and it changed my116601:18:06,840 --> 01:18:13,650life for the better. Right,amen. Right on.116701:18:13,860 --> 01:18:16,560That's, that's solid. You know,honestly,116801:18:17,339 --> 01:18:21,179that's a great way to look at itfrom an abundance mentality116901:18:21,179 --> 01:18:22,829versus scarcity mentality,117001:18:23,339 --> 01:18:25,769it's great, it's a great way tolook at it because I can, I was117101:18:25,769 --> 01:18:30,959thinking this morning, of allthe strong friendships that that117201:18:31,859 --> 01:18:34,889I can speak for myself. And foryou, too, I'm sure all the117301:18:34,889 --> 01:18:38,969strong friendships that I didhave created now in in the117401:18:38,969 --> 01:18:43,889podcasting world. And that's,that's value for value. Because117501:18:43,979 --> 01:18:47,999we, we, because we're giving itaway, we're giving away our117601:18:47,999 --> 01:18:51,959value. And the value that partof the value we're getting back,117701:18:52,349 --> 01:18:55,229or the salt or the solidrelationships with great people.117801:18:55,259 --> 01:18:59,219Exactly. It's me, you can't buythat you that you cannot put a117901:18:59,219 --> 01:18:59,969price on that.118001:19:00,780 --> 01:19:04,740It's like no agenda. That meansespecially with the meetups,118101:19:04,740 --> 01:19:07,080with people who just organizeand hang out together this118201:19:07,080 --> 01:19:12,750lifelong friendship to come outof that. And just in a community118301:19:12,750 --> 01:19:16,770gets built around the mediaproperty. I know wherever I am118401:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,070anywhere in the world, if I've,if I have a need for something,118501:19:20,070 --> 01:19:23,250if something's going on, all Ihave to do is just you know, hop118601:19:23,250 --> 01:19:26,430on either Twitter or Well,preferably no agenda, social,118701:19:26,730 --> 01:19:29,940even telegram group said, here'swhat I need. And immediately I118801:19:29,940 --> 01:19:31,860have someone who knows someonewho could hook us up and do118901:19:31,860 --> 01:19:32,310something.119001:19:33,150 --> 01:19:36,480You know, I feel that I feelthat way too. I've got some so119101:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,720many friends you know,friendships of that are now on119201:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,530like, signal and podcasts andsocial and I know that I could119301:19:43,530 --> 01:19:49,080probably be anywhere in the inat least in the country, and119401:19:49,110 --> 01:19:51,300somebody would be close enoughto help to help out with119501:19:51,300 --> 01:19:55,080something. I mean, like it justand that's not you can't put a119601:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,670tie. You can't put a price onthat. Which is119701:19:56,670 --> 01:19:59,310why I know that there'sdesigners out there for the apps119801:19:59,580 --> 01:20:02,640and stuff Spencer says Stoptalking like this is getting me119901:20:02,640 --> 01:20:08,040misty eyed. Okay. Blueberry 2222We tell people they are denying120001:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,010themselves half of our show byusing Apple because they won't120101:20:11,010 --> 01:20:14,250see the six to seven new piecesof art we make for the chapters120201:20:14,430 --> 01:20:22,860salutely Absolutely. Blueberryagain 17,776 Here we go. Hi,120301:20:23,130 --> 01:20:25,950quote hi I'd like to take you upon your offer to get help120401:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,640onboarding to PC 2.0 but it'sway easier to sit here and bitch120501:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,900about YouTube taking my contentdown. Exactly.120601:20:35,940 --> 01:20:42,060Okay, hello shot caller 20 isBlaze only Impala120701:20:42,089 --> 01:20:49,709400,000 SATs from anonymous,anonymous 400,000 SATs from120801:20:49,709 --> 01:20:55,289anonymous and all that anonymoussays go podcast a podcast a holy120901:20:55,289 --> 01:20:58,589crap thank you that came forthat came through curio caster121001:20:58,589 --> 01:21:03,569so I guess that's working now400,000 on the counter zeros121101:21:03,569 --> 01:21:04,739Yeah 400,000121201:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,950saying anonymous I want to thankthat guy or that girl here we go121301:21:15,780 --> 01:21:17,010that's that's it. Thank you.121401:21:17,310 --> 01:21:22,260That's a big thank you. Thankyou. There you go. That was121501:21:22,260 --> 01:21:26,490great. Triple force from yelldar pre boost. I listen to every121601:21:26,490 --> 01:21:29,370episode of podcasting 2.0 andcarefully followed development121701:21:29,370 --> 01:21:32,280of the project. You helped meprotect and develop podcasting121801:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,270in Kazakhstan. You're doing avery important project thank you121901:21:36,270 --> 01:21:42,990and go podcast podcast. HelloKazakhstan. Great success. This122001:21:43,380 --> 01:21:51,600was a very bad Wow. The Kazuakiand Maya in the house. Nice.122101:21:51,660 --> 01:21:56,640Yeah. All right. Well, so happyto hear that you know, BUSA some122201:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,040more. Let us know what's goingon in Kazakhstan. How can we122301:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,290help more importantly, how canwe get an invitation to visit?122401:22:01,890 --> 01:22:03,480How can we get cheap gas please?122501:22:05,550 --> 01:22:08,130We want to jump in on thoseriots. It looks like fun. You122601:22:08,130 --> 01:22:12,000guys did great work over there.And by the way, screw the CIA122701:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,360debasing you guys. Sorry aboutthat. We're a hole sometimes.122801:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,200Then, let's see Dred Scott. Rowof sticks. Oh, this was a test122901:22:22,200 --> 01:22:28,0801111 testing the booze and100,000 SATs from Brando cellars123001:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,600from the sleek podcast. Throwingthat one123101:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,650for I'm Carla 20 is blade on amPaula haven't123201:22:34,650 --> 01:22:37,500boosted in a while so I'm uppingmy boost game first time123301:22:37,500 --> 01:22:42,060boosting with POD verse onmobile. Nice and nice, loving123401:22:42,060 --> 01:22:44,940loving seeing that work. Andit's something else just come123501:22:44,940 --> 01:22:48,450in. Yes. And a millennial islistening with a super row of123601:22:48,450 --> 01:22:54,600sticks. 11,111 and no agendamillennial says thanks for the123701:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,190RSS help Dave?123801:22:57,780 --> 01:23:00,960Oh, yes, yes, yes. You'rewelcome. Yeah, wait, yeah. I've123901:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,890been really slow to respond toemails, but I'm good. Because of124001:23:04,890 --> 01:23:07,320the travel, but I'm getting I'mgetting them as quick as I can.124101:23:07,350 --> 01:23:09,990Sorry. I was a little delayedfor a couple of days getting124201:23:09,990 --> 01:23:10,980that fixed. But we got it.124301:23:11,580 --> 01:23:15,180Excellent. All right, let'slet's thank some of our donors124401:23:15,180 --> 01:23:16,650that have come in during theweek.124501:23:17,400 --> 01:23:22,920Get a get some couple of big paypals Marco. As usual Marco124601:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,000coming in with 500124701:23:25,230 --> 01:23:29,250Shot copper plates on him Paola124801:23:30,990 --> 01:23:33,690and Buzzsprout $500. Wow.124901:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,13020 blades on I am Paula.125001:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,380Thank you. Thank you, thank you.125101:23:40,950 --> 01:23:47,520Yes, that, that those thosedonations, seriously, pay the125201:23:47,520 --> 01:23:52,950bills every month. And inrss.com. It also comes in on125301:23:52,950 --> 01:23:57,990frequently with a with a hugePayPal, donation, those, those125401:23:57,990 --> 01:24:03,210are the core of what we use topay the bills and the SAS,125501:24:03,390 --> 01:24:08,190always stay on the node. And sothat we can fund channels and125601:24:08,190 --> 01:24:11,910liquidity. We never take any ofthe sets off off the node they125701:24:11,910 --> 01:24:12,510stay there.125801:24:12,540 --> 01:24:16,980I should just add one morething. We Dave and I've both125901:24:17,130 --> 01:24:20,610desperately been looking youknow, we're very happy with with126001:24:20,610 --> 01:24:26,490other node and wallet providerswho are cropping up like Albie126101:24:26,490 --> 01:24:30,780and the other people on thehorizon. Because we knew, we126201:24:30,780 --> 01:24:33,660know inherently that havingeverything centralized or one or126301:24:33,660 --> 01:24:38,370two can have problems. And we'vebeen maintaining a node that126401:24:38,370 --> 01:24:42,060we've been paying for. And we'rehappy we did because some of the126501:24:42,060 --> 01:24:45,180problems we've seen over thepast few days with ln pay.126601:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,870Luckily, I think we're able tomigrate that to our node. So126701:24:48,870 --> 01:24:52,500know that. And this is justtemporary for us because we126801:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,870don't really don't like that. Tobe honest. If we don't like126901:24:54,990 --> 01:24:57,600being in charge. We don't wantmoney to flow. Yeah, we'd really127001:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,990don't want to do that. But we'remaking we knew something like127101:25:00,990 --> 01:25:04,650this could happen. And damn, I'mhappy we did it.127201:25:05,970 --> 01:25:09,660Yeah. Which is to be morespecific we pay we pay Tim each127301:25:09,660 --> 01:25:15,090month for for a node. And aspart of our, you know, our127401:25:15,090 --> 01:25:18,480hosting bills each month, we payhim for node. But we've never127501:25:18,510 --> 01:25:21,750been it's always just beenempty. Yeah, it's always for a127601:25:21,750 --> 01:25:24,690year, it's just been sittingthere doing nothing. And we were127701:25:24,690 --> 01:25:25,980like, you know, one day and127801:25:25,980 --> 01:25:28,980in a way, that's also becausehe's been offering his node for127901:25:28,980 --> 01:25:31,920free. So I wanted to make surethat he got compensated and128001:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,280didn't feel like he was justdoing stuff for people without128101:25:35,310 --> 01:25:37,770getting any real value back anddon't think you charge anyone128201:25:37,770 --> 01:25:39,270anything at any point.128301:25:39,930 --> 01:25:43,650Yeah, I mean, it's it honestly.Honestly, Tim has been doing128401:25:43,650 --> 01:25:48,780this as a charity. Yeah, forreal for a long time. And we, we128501:25:48,780 --> 01:25:51,960told him straight up, we werelike, you know, Hey, you gotta128601:25:51,960 --> 01:25:56,370get paid for this. I mean, wedon't, this is not, you need to128701:25:56,370 --> 01:25:59,340be supported. And, you know, weasked her like, hey, you know,128801:25:59,340 --> 01:26:02,490how much how much is your hostcost each month, you know, and128901:26:02,490 --> 01:26:04,380he told us, and we're like, whatthat's, that's what we're going129001:26:04,380 --> 01:26:07,080to look at given you, we justwant you, we want you to break129101:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,260even at least, then you can gomake money off other customers129201:26:10,260 --> 01:26:12,300and that kind of thing. But wewant to at least make sure that129301:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,320you're not doing this at a lossor for charity. Right. And so129401:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,500then that and that's, so thenwhen all these problems happen,129501:26:19,620 --> 01:26:22,590he was able to quickly migrateeverything off of the broken129601:26:22,590 --> 01:26:27,840node onto our node, and didn'treally miss a beat and like it129701:26:27,840 --> 01:26:28,980picked up pretty quick.129801:26:29,010 --> 01:26:33,030Yeah, it did. But of course, thenode has a different node ID. So129901:26:33,030 --> 01:26:35,550some wallets tend to change. Andthat's something we got to130001:26:35,550 --> 01:26:37,710figure out how we how best tomigrate that.130101:26:38,820 --> 01:26:42,630Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll have alot to talk about that. Luckily,130201:26:42,630 --> 01:26:45,750there's not a lot of receivingwallets on there. So that's130301:26:45,750 --> 01:26:46,140good.130401:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,770Yeah. But like, we havesovereign feeds in our block,130501:26:49,770 --> 01:26:54,300which has to change. And DameJennifer, I think she needs she130601:26:54,300 --> 01:26:55,320needs to change.130701:26:55,860 --> 01:27:00,930And also, Alex, ping me thismorning about Mark Hall. I think130801:27:00,930 --> 01:27:03,660Mark Hall still saw that so aswell, that needs to change.130901:27:03,690 --> 01:27:04,050Yeah.131001:27:04,170 --> 01:27:07,170And Mark Hall is going to beimportant pretty soon as we get131101:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,920a DM tag rolled out. I talkedabout it the other day. Okay,131201:27:10,920 --> 01:27:17,250he's super excited. You know, hetalked to Richard Linklater, Sir131301:27:17,250 --> 01:27:20,880Mark is, you know, he's afilmmaker. He I think he's also131401:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,790in some import export business,you know, maybe with Afghanistan131501:27:23,790 --> 01:27:26,250or Panama. I'm not sure youknow, one of my criminal131601:27:26,250 --> 01:27:30,840friends. But he's a filmmakerand so he's very in tune for131701:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,270decades with the Austin filmcommunity. You know who Richard131801:27:33,270 --> 01:27:36,180Linklater is right? He's like,he's very, very, very famous131901:27:36,330 --> 01:27:37,050filmmaker.132001:27:37,650 --> 01:27:42,660I thought, Is that related toArt Linkletter? No. I'm thinking132101:27:42,660 --> 01:27:43,500of different people.132201:27:45,030 --> 01:27:48,900It's actually things link later.Let me just see, let okay, I'm132301:27:48,900 --> 01:27:52,110misspelling it okay. Yeah, no,it's that's my fault. So a132401:27:52,110 --> 01:27:55,440couple of his movies. So thisand I'll tell you what he said.132501:27:55,650 --> 01:27:58,920And he just released one calledApollo 10 and a half, which is132601:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,300on Netflix, I would advise it'srotoscoped. So it's something132701:28:03,300 --> 01:28:05,010that's it's fun to watch.132801:28:05,970 --> 01:28:07,470released this or renowned132901:28:07,500 --> 01:28:10,350No, no, that's that's Linklaterreleased that Okay. Okay.133001:28:11,010 --> 01:28:19,590Slacker. One of his movies. Ofcourse. Ah, one of the boys133101:28:19,590 --> 01:28:23,970life. Which one won the Oscar?No, they filmed over 12 year133201:28:23,970 --> 01:28:27,660period. You remember that? Andthey had all the actors and they133301:28:27,690 --> 01:28:30,900they filmed them throughout the12 years the making this movie?133401:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,390Now you don't know what I'mtalking about? If it's not a133501:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,210Marvel Cinematic Universe, youdon't know what it is. Dave? Is133601:28:36,210 --> 01:28:36,780that what it is?133701:28:37,260 --> 01:28:38,460Yay. I'm better a133801:28:41,790 --> 01:28:46,530flag on the disproportionate useof force. Unnecessary roughness?133901:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,950Yes. Yeah. Oh, boy. Hood wascalled boy hood. That's what it134001:28:49,950 --> 01:28:53,880was called. Okay. Boy hood.Yeah. Anyway, so he says,134101:28:54,900 --> 01:28:58,320streaming world is all messedup. He says, we don't know where134201:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,390we're going to, we don't know.And where we're going to make134301:29:00,390 --> 01:29:03,540money. theaters are broken. Wecan't get into them. No one134401:29:03,540 --> 01:29:08,310cares. The big streamingcompanies no longer have the134501:29:08,310 --> 01:29:11,580budgets they had. So certainlywhen it comes to, you know,134601:29:11,580 --> 01:29:15,090smaller independent films, whichis classified as up like 10 or134701:29:15,090 --> 01:29:19,620$12 million, we have no place togo. And Mark's been evangelizing134801:29:19,620 --> 01:29:24,750value for value. Oh, yeah. Nice.So, you know, I'm okay. Maybe,134901:29:24,750 --> 01:29:27,780although maybe we'll be able toget more into those circles. But135001:29:28,140 --> 01:29:30,780documentaries, especially, Imean, and there's a lot of135101:29:30,780 --> 01:29:33,630people making quote unquote,documentaries, you know, and I'm135201:29:33,630 --> 01:29:36,090thinking I love documentaries,I'm addicted to them. But135301:29:36,090 --> 01:29:38,910there's a lot of people who makedocumentaries, you know, just135401:29:38,910 --> 01:29:42,870for online, you know, for bitchshoot or whatever. These things135501:29:42,870 --> 01:29:46,440are also valid. These are thethese are great things to jam135601:29:46,440 --> 01:29:47,220into a feed.135701:29:47,790 --> 01:29:51,990I got a buddy who invests indocumentaries, and he because he135801:29:51,990 --> 01:29:55,380said there's some sort of issomething under the under Trump.135901:29:55,860 --> 01:30:01,500It may be in the that and earlyon. Tax cuts and Jobs Act the T136001:30:02,010 --> 01:30:06,480TCGA. Or whatever ja, ja. Ithink it was something to do136101:30:06,480 --> 01:30:11,790with that, it changed the taxlaw where you could boost up the136201:30:11,790 --> 01:30:16,200amount that you deduct forinvesting in a Hollywood film.136301:30:18,870 --> 01:30:22,740You know, like, it really raisedthat. So it brought in a lot of136401:30:22,740 --> 01:30:25,920investment, but with theinvestment in but the net like136501:30:26,850 --> 01:30:30,390it became Netflix became the bigbuyer of all these136601:30:30,390 --> 01:30:33,030documentaries, because theywould just pay they would pay136701:30:33,030 --> 01:30:37,500you cash, you could just cashout your long term earnings went136801:30:37,500 --> 01:30:43,980down, but you could just have animmediate buy. And then now with136901:30:43,980 --> 01:30:48,660Netflix going down the tubes,damn sure that money is is137001:30:48,660 --> 01:30:54,600becoming much more selective andless abundant. So it's it's one137101:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,270of those things where you comein you got the you've got this137201:30:57,270 --> 01:31:01,680new player that comes in andjust distorts the market. And137301:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,460now then they bail outessentially or they can that in137401:31:05,460 --> 01:31:09,810now is left it sort of feelslike it's left a hole a crater137501:31:10,170 --> 01:31:13,800where as I guess what I'm sayingis I understand what he's saying137601:31:13,800 --> 01:31:13,980well,137701:31:14,369 --> 01:31:18,179here's here's what I did. Here'swhen I'm reading the reviews on137801:31:18,179 --> 01:31:20,999the new Act are mixed is from2018 According to those in the137901:31:20,999 --> 01:31:26,969filmmaking business in all saysCPA Fred Segal the new tax bill138001:31:26,969 --> 01:31:29,849is not a good thing forfilmmakers. It's muddled not as138101:31:29,849 --> 01:31:34,379modeled as people think. Thereare some good parts and bad138201:31:34,379 --> 01:31:37,109parts. Okay, so this is why wedon't understand is this138301:31:37,109 --> 01:31:42,029confusing? Yeah. Anyway, that'llbe something that back to138401:31:42,029 --> 01:31:45,569thanking people. I guess we gotstuck there. Sorry about that.138501:31:46,080 --> 01:31:51,990And we've got we got somebooster grams. We'll see here.138601:31:53,610 --> 01:31:57,63010,000 SATs for Chad Pharaoh. Hesays it's a hackathon not a hive138701:31:57,630 --> 01:31:58,140Athan.138801:32:01,470 --> 01:32:02,820Trouble looking for trouble.138901:32:05,340 --> 01:32:11,940Let's see Mike Newman. One. C1000. Is this these big row139001:32:11,940 --> 01:32:17,730sticks? Just I can't even speakof 111,111 sat139101:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,520ball for that call out 20 bladeson am bollocks anything139201:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,500over 100 ks gotta get gotta139301:32:25,530 --> 01:32:29,040Oh, yeah. Yes. He's a slacker,boosted by the end of the show.139401:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,260Great to hear Dame Jenniferbring some sunshine to the139501:32:31,260 --> 01:32:32,550boardroom. Go podcasting.139601:32:32,580 --> 01:32:36,480Yeah, podcast. It was great tohave Dame Jennifer on the show a139701:32:36,480 --> 01:32:37,830lot of good responses to that.139801:32:38,370 --> 01:32:41,580That was a great episode. I hada lot of fun. George Orwell.139901:32:42,270 --> 01:32:46,8601111 SATs and he says I amJustin Trudeau.140001:32:46,890 --> 01:32:47,640Yes.140101:32:49,140 --> 01:32:51,420So George Orwell is Justintoday.140201:32:51,480 --> 01:32:52,440Just so you know.140301:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,670Normally, I routed somethinglike 10 payments every minute140401:32:56,670 --> 01:33:00,060from Ellen pay to podcasters.Since yesterday, I routed one140501:33:00,060 --> 01:33:03,150payment per minute, the logslook okay, so I think it has140601:33:03,150 --> 01:33:06,780something to do with an L withln pay and their node. Yes, it140701:33:06,780 --> 01:33:07,200did. So140801:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,770first of all, thank you verymuch. George Orwell, Justin140901:33:10,770 --> 01:33:16,650Trudeau. Because your channel tomy my Umbral actually was good141001:33:16,650 --> 01:33:20,280because I still was receivingboosts because you provided a141101:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,630path when there was trouble withthe Elon pay bad of course,141201:33:24,630 --> 01:33:29,310because I didn't notice shit waswrong. And I apologize for force141301:33:29,310 --> 01:33:31,530closing on you as I was tryingto figure it out. And he was so141401:33:31,530 --> 01:33:34,860kind just wait until I had allmy crap figured out and you just141501:33:34,860 --> 01:33:37,440reopened another channel andhe's everywhere. He's got141601:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,860channels to all kinds of placesthat are showing up. So these141701:33:40,860 --> 01:33:43,590are also people that providetremendous value by putting141801:33:43,590 --> 01:33:46,860their own liquidity up to helppodcasting route and we really141901:33:46,860 --> 01:33:47,580appreciate it.142001:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,000I mean, he's a he's a famousauthor and a prime minister at142101:33:51,000 --> 01:33:51,510the same time,142201:33:51,990 --> 01:33:55,410everywhere right,142301:33:55,919 --> 01:34:00,569George Orwell back 1111 SATsagain he says I noticed that142401:34:00,569 --> 01:34:04,439your node Adam as an inboundliquid as an IT no inbound142501:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,589liquidity liquidity with zerobase fee.142601:34:07,980 --> 01:34:11,370Yeah, that was he was looking atit when I was having problems.142701:34:11,850 --> 01:34:17,400Okay, all right. So thosetroubleshooting message 8008142801:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,490Boob donation from Chad Pharaoh.He says the SATs for fountain to142901:34:20,490 --> 01:34:22,890animate a new agenda areprobably from people watching on143001:34:22,890 --> 01:34:27,360YouTube or in a tube and usingfountains to send a boost. I143101:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,360hear this quite often on liveshows and I think people are143201:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,970just used to using fountaindescent SAS so that's what they143301:34:32,970 --> 01:34:39,690do. Interesting. 8008 bootdonation from mere mortals143401:34:39,690 --> 01:34:42,540podcasts from our buddy car andhe says, I don't think creating143501:34:42,540 --> 01:34:46,320a podcast for each project isgreat. sounds tedious all around143601:34:46,710 --> 01:34:51,360an alternative idea. Have aspecial episode with splits143701:34:51,690 --> 01:34:53,790where the four projects perhapswithin?143801:34:55,410 --> 01:34:59,010This is for the for thehackathon hackathon hackathon.143901:34:59,010 --> 01:35:02,640Yeah, I obviously You can aboutthat, too. I, that may be a good144001:35:02,640 --> 01:35:07,410idea. But you know what, we'llwait for the pimp manager, the144101:35:07,410 --> 01:35:12,390pimp of the deed for thedatabase, what is dame de144201:35:12,420 --> 01:35:16,590Jennifer pimp? DE DE database?We'll wait for her to come back144301:35:16,590 --> 01:35:18,960with her recommendations. But Ithink that's very valid. There's144401:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,890lots of good ideas, but it's inher capable hands. So she'll144501:35:22,890 --> 01:35:24,990come back with questions or withideas.144601:35:25,649 --> 01:35:29,639We'll, we'll figure that andprobably it's really going to144701:35:29,639 --> 01:35:31,889come down to just not votingwith money because that's just144801:35:31,889 --> 01:35:38,489too probably. Yeah. I thinkthat's where I've landed. Arbor144901:35:38,489 --> 01:35:41,489citadel 100,049 sets.145001:35:43,230 --> 01:35:47,280Shot kala 20 blades on am Paula.145101:35:48,180 --> 01:35:51,000Any says Where can i Sincethat's for the hackathon?145201:35:56,190 --> 01:35:58,410I don't know. Yeah, we can'tfigure that out.145301:35:58,770 --> 01:36:03,240Can I just interject real quick.interject, please. From Casta145401:36:03,240 --> 01:36:11,190Matic. 333,334 SATs from DredScott boosting for the DJ air145501:36:11,190 --> 01:36:24,120horn fine. He followed up with22,222 to ask if I got the145601:36:24,150 --> 01:36:29,970boost. Yes. Yes. Thank you.Thank you very much.145701:36:30,180 --> 01:36:36,840Okay. The Teacher here warnedthat they had made my day. This145801:36:36,840 --> 01:36:41,100sunshine in this room right now.Yeah, now what really happened145901:36:41,100 --> 01:36:44,820is anonymous came in with400,000 and Drib. It pissed me146001:36:44,850 --> 01:36:46,650off because that's my that's myturf.146101:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,770Exactly. Yeah, don't mess withBatman.146201:36:50,370 --> 01:36:57,000Don't Don't mess with BruceWayne. Se jet. And uh, Jean146301:36:57,000 --> 01:37:01,050Everett sent us throughfountaining sinister with 3333146401:37:01,050 --> 01:37:02,430sets and he's just says boost146501:37:02,430 --> 01:37:04,020Yo yo, boost.146601:37:05,550 --> 01:37:11,160Gene ever again. 33 333 throughfountain he says Dame Jennifer's146701:37:11,160 --> 01:37:16,320the guest what? Boost boost genefrom our mock Oh, that's from146801:37:16,320 --> 01:37:17,460Aisha Armand friend.146901:37:17,640 --> 01:37:22,110Yes. Yes, my were the hot thecurry homesteaders. And Jean is147001:37:22,110 --> 01:37:24,180very familiar with the curryfamily apparently.147101:37:24,900 --> 01:37:30,690Okay, just just another anotherspooky, spooky. Spooky central a147201:37:30,690 --> 01:37:35,220normal grid layer. James Crillonsend 1001 SATs. He says so147301:37:35,220 --> 01:37:38,130excited to hear that Pocket Castis interested in podcasting. We147401:37:38,130 --> 01:37:42,030know. Yes, they are. I love thatapp. And I would move back and147501:37:42,030 --> 01:37:44,910would move back to it in aheartbeat. Go podcasting go147601:37:44,910 --> 01:37:45,600podcast.147701:37:46,620 --> 01:37:49,350I would say it's not just PocketCasts. I would say they're147801:37:49,350 --> 01:37:51,900interested in the namespaceacross the board in general.147901:37:52,470 --> 01:37:55,950Yeah, Wordpress, all of it.Yeah. We got to figure out how148001:37:55,950 --> 01:37:58,590to get the podcast namespace.And Tumblr though, that that's148101:37:58,590 --> 01:38:00,990that's a weird one. But we'llfigure it out. We're going to148201:38:02,580 --> 01:38:09,720see John cIgi 4761 SATs throughthe Python boot app. That's his148301:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,990new as his new app. He says Hi,Dave, and Adam and listeners of148401:38:12,990 --> 01:38:15,570podcasting. 2.0 Thanks tobooster grams, I can actually148501:38:15,570 --> 01:38:19,620say these value tokens have yourname on them, unlike Fiat fund148601:38:19,620 --> 01:38:22,380coupons, where defacing themwith any message is a federal148701:38:22,380 --> 01:38:26,910offense, right? Anyway, Iencourage anyone encourage148801:38:26,910 --> 01:38:29,670anyone that isn't alreadylistening to causality to visit148901:38:29,700 --> 01:38:33,510engineer dot network, as weanalyze what went right, and149001:38:33,510 --> 01:38:36,810what went wrong, and we discoverthat many outcomes can be149101:38:36,810 --> 01:38:40,890predicted or planned for andeven prevented, and you too can149201:38:40,890 --> 01:38:44,190decide if listener if thelistener that called me a dreamy149301:38:44,190 --> 01:38:49,830narrator was right or not. Johnis a dreaming narrator. He's got149401:38:49,830 --> 01:38:53,010his he's got to sleep podcast.His sleep podcast is really149501:38:53,010 --> 01:38:56,580funny. Because he reads superboring engineering stuff. How149601:38:56,580 --> 01:38:59,910cool like, like he'll read themanual from the original Apple149701:38:59,910 --> 01:39:05,160TV, or something like that.Yeah, like that. Yeah, it's or149801:39:05,310 --> 01:39:10,620chapter three of Fortran. Youknow, it's like sexy. That is a149901:39:10,620 --> 01:39:16,860good way. That is a an exampleby John of how to do a in an in150001:39:16,860 --> 01:39:21,030podcast advertising spotcorrectly through Busta Rhymes.150101:39:21,419 --> 01:39:24,869Yes. Very good way. And I wantedto mention that we also hung out150201:39:24,869 --> 01:39:30,509a bit with John Spurlock. We didGreg was a super nice guy. And150301:39:30,509 --> 01:39:32,519look out people he's building inan app.150401:39:33,630 --> 01:39:36,000Oh, is he and he's got heat intoit. Yeah, he150501:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,640said okay, so what is the way todo a man because you know, he's150601:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,820clearly a billionaire. One ofthose aren't like this. Oh,150701:39:41,820 --> 01:39:44,970yeah. Cool. Dudes, you know,just like and you can see it.150801:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,420It's the subtle things of how hedresses like okay, I see you150901:39:48,420 --> 01:39:52,650bro. I think he has a yacht. I'mpretty sure he has151001:39:53,340 --> 01:39:55,920yacht advice. The thing aboutthe Super about the super rich151101:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,340is they always they actuallythey dress down they dress151201:39:59,640 --> 01:40:04,560always the guy with the plasticbag. The rich guy. Anyway, so I151301:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,290said, Why don't you do it? Yeah,I'm working on it. I'm thinking151401:40:07,380 --> 01:40:10,650about it as thinking about anapp and how I'm going to do it151501:40:10,650 --> 01:40:13,260and like, oh, man, okay, I'minterested to see what you're151601:40:13,260 --> 01:40:14,040going to come up with.151701:40:15,360 --> 01:40:21,300Sir Doug 5000 SATs. Sorry forthe break, my wallet ran dry,151801:40:21,300 --> 01:40:24,510and it took a while to getaround to refilling. Musa Oost.151901:40:25,980 --> 01:40:30,690See 220 2222 for Macintosh. Hesays, Hey, gang, great episode152001:40:30,690 --> 01:40:33,750with David, Jennifer, yourconversation about about a152101:40:33,750 --> 01:40:37,320boosted question about taxes gotme thinking? Is there any code152201:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,300available to handle theaccounting of all these flying152301:40:39,300 --> 01:40:42,030sets? Oh, well, listeners don'thave to manage at all, of152401:40:42,030 --> 01:40:44,940course. But the podcastersreally should I mean, I can152501:40:44,940 --> 01:40:48,060throw the IRS a fiver and callit a day, because that would152601:40:48,060 --> 01:40:50,910cover all my support. But somepeople do actually create real152701:40:50,910 --> 01:40:55,290amounts of SAS is there is isthere. If there isn't anything,152801:40:55,290 --> 01:40:59,370I might be able to jump in andwork on it. I mean, I would say,152901:40:59,580 --> 01:41:02,100if you want to jump in and workon anything, please do it.153001:41:02,490 --> 01:41:08,910Because here's what we use iscalled balances Satoshis. And153101:41:08,910 --> 01:41:13,440it's a node app that just pullsevery transaction off of your153201:41:13,440 --> 01:41:22,380node. And, and puts it in dumpsout a bunch of CSV files. And it153301:41:22,560 --> 01:41:28,140makes a call to coin desk orcoin Gecko or one of those to153401:41:28,140 --> 01:41:31,860get the fair market value at thetimestamp that those sets came153501:41:31,860 --> 01:41:37,050in. And that's what you need. Soyou need for every, for every153601:41:37,290 --> 01:41:41,430batch of sets that come intoyour node, you need to declare153701:41:41,430 --> 01:41:46,650what the fair market value is inyour local currency at that153801:41:46,650 --> 01:41:51,360moment, so you need, you know,some API for historical lookups.153901:41:51,930 --> 01:41:58,020And belsito Satoshis is fine.Except that our node is so huge154001:41:58,020 --> 01:42:08,190now. That it it's been run I'vebeen trying to dump. May, June154101:42:08,220 --> 01:42:13,560in July. From from it and it'sbeen it's its own July now.154201:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,300We've been running for six days.They didn't have they call them154301:42:18,300 --> 01:42:24,990dumps big, massive dumps. Iliterally was running node out154401:42:24,990 --> 01:42:29,010of it was running no JS out ofmemory. Yeah, I had to upgrade154501:42:29,010 --> 01:42:32,430the node to get more RAM. It'scrazy. So154601:42:32,460 --> 01:42:36,330no one was Bellway. No one wasever expecting this use case,154701:42:36,810 --> 01:42:39,810obviously, or they had no ideaor the no one thought through154801:42:39,810 --> 01:42:44,610it. And I have to say lightninglabs doesn't seem that they care154901:42:44,610 --> 01:42:45,300much about it.155001:42:46,380 --> 01:42:51,510They're, they're doing databaseimprovements. And I cannot wait155101:42:51,510 --> 01:42:54,660for 15.1 because that's going tomake evidently supposed to155201:42:54,660 --> 01:42:58,020shrink the size of the databaseway, way, way down. And we155301:42:58,020 --> 01:43:00,270really, I mean, we need that weneed that value.155401:43:00,330 --> 01:43:04,410I can't I can't get I can'texport from I mean balance of155501:43:04,410 --> 01:43:09,780Satoshis. If I just want to runa report for three days, takes155601:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,04030 minutes.155701:43:11,850 --> 01:43:14,100Yeah, I mean, it's literallyit's been running for almost a155801:43:14,100 --> 01:43:16,830week. Yeah, just to exportamounts of data.155901:43:16,860 --> 01:43:19,890And it can timeout at anyminute. We're breaking156001:43:19,890 --> 01:43:23,790five oh, threes all the time.Macintosh, if you want to write156101:43:23,790 --> 01:43:26,580a better accounting package,156201:43:26,730 --> 01:43:30,420did you value for that? I'd sendyou value for using that.156301:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,990Oh, heck, yeah, I'd pay for itall day long, I'd add I'd pay156401:43:33,990 --> 01:43:41,340$200 right now for that. Becauseit, it literally half the time156501:43:41,340 --> 01:43:46,380just doesn't even work. Anyway,so it's more than just Just FYI,156601:43:46,470 --> 01:43:50,940to dig deeper on this for justone second. It's more than just156701:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,260the booster grams and stuff whenyou run your own node, which are156801:43:55,260 --> 01:44:02,670running is a lightning node thatcan receive SATs, sin SATs, and156901:44:02,670 --> 01:44:09,090forward SATs as a relay. And ifyou make if you have income from157001:44:09,090 --> 01:44:14,130routing fees, yet, you knowthat's got to be declared to not157101:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,530not many people are going tohave that. But if you if you do157201:44:16,530 --> 01:44:21,450have routing fees, that's alsoincome. And it's also a Bitcoin157301:44:21,450 --> 01:44:24,240node, every lightning node is aBitcoin node. So you have157401:44:24,300 --> 01:44:29,070incoming and outgoing on chaintransactions also. So you really157501:44:29,070 --> 01:44:31,650need something that's going tofind all that information is157601:44:31,650 --> 01:44:36,030there, it's all in l&d. So youcan you can export it all so you157701:44:36,030 --> 01:44:39,630have to do all of those. Youcan't just say, Okay, here's all157801:44:39,630 --> 01:44:42,240the histogram donations thatcame in, unless that's all you157901:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,580unless that's literally allyou're doing. And that if that158001:44:44,580 --> 01:44:47,820is that's fine, but if your nodehas lots of channels, and you're158101:44:47,820 --> 01:44:53,610doing your routing, you gottahave that too. So just FYI. See,158201:44:53,610 --> 01:45:04,650sir Doug again. 5000 SAS he saysfor Dame Jennifer s SL C SLC ls158301:45:04,650 --> 01:45:13,080l certainly LC LC is e s e l s eOkay. SLC sin is 3333 sets is158401:45:13,140 --> 01:45:15,120and he or she says pew158501:45:17,430 --> 01:45:21,060pew on was my pew I lost my pewI've been so obsessed with the158601:45:21,060 --> 01:45:21,450horn158701:45:23,310 --> 01:45:28,320the horn is very obsessive.Alright, Mike Dell sent us 3333158801:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,690He says Did it work this time?Well yes it did.158901:45:32,130 --> 01:45:35,010Oh, I was just looking at itbecause you're so right. I159001:45:35,010 --> 01:45:37,830looked at the tally coin becauseit podcast index.org You can159101:45:37,830 --> 01:45:42,360also send us Fiat the donatebutton donate the donate button159201:45:42,360 --> 01:45:46,440the yes please don't donate butyou can have a donate. That's we159301:45:46,440 --> 01:45:52,710got a tallyho boost 96,263Unfortunately, I don't know who159401:45:52,710 --> 01:45:56,250it's from. And a second one thattallyho boost this and the159501:45:56,250 --> 01:46:03,600previous tallyho was Dred Scottagain latest 72,002 This he's159601:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,410given well over a million SATsfor this episode. Good God159701:46:07,410 --> 01:46:10,800Almighty dread dread. Thank you,man. I got it. Let me give him a159801:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,830little special. Hop on dribblersriding159901:46:18,660 --> 01:46:19,770lightning round the Lightning160001:46:20,160 --> 01:46:21,000Lightning boost.160101:46:22,590 --> 01:46:26,550Pocket parlay sent us 3000 setsI liked that name by the way.160201:46:26,910 --> 01:46:31,260Pocket. Yeah, good work, guys.As always, can I get a JC D160301:46:31,260 --> 01:46:32,280boost please?160401:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,820Well, the JC D boost alwayscomes in three boost boost160501:46:35,820 --> 01:46:36,900boost. You got it?160601:46:39,060 --> 01:46:44,070Mike Dell 3333 He's back. Yo Yo.He says I'm now the podcasting160701:46:44,070 --> 01:46:46,2002.0 Project Manager at blueberry160801:46:48,930 --> 01:46:54,690boost and so that's official.It's an official. I love it.160901:46:55,650 --> 01:46:57,120We'll send you a nameplate my161001:46:58,830 --> 01:47:01,380business card to get newbusiness cards. What is this161101:47:01,380 --> 01:47:03,300podcasting? 2.0 manager,161201:47:03,870 --> 01:47:09,090project manager project manager.Dirty Jersey whore 18,000 to161301:47:12,120 --> 01:47:15,84018,008 says boobs plus boostcleaning out my wallet Just161401:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,180thought I'd drop by and slingsome stats your way go161501:47:18,180 --> 01:47:21,690podcasting. Wow. Whoa,161601:47:21,870 --> 01:47:25,020I didn't mean to do that.accident161701:47:25,650 --> 01:47:30,600is the robbery pads that getsyou exhausted cash sticky. I161801:47:30,600 --> 01:47:35,670Satoshi I Satoshi with you. Sendus 500 SATs and he says thank161901:47:35,670 --> 01:47:37,140you for all your podcasts.162001:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,390We're happy to produce all ofthem. Yes. Our pods162101:47:43,560 --> 01:47:48,630pod Martin Linda scogs in 1776SATs he says I'm testing a162201:47:48,630 --> 01:47:51,600booster gram via pod verse forthe first time Liberty boosts162301:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,1901776 Set Satoshis 50 SATs gointo the app as default setting.162401:47:56,340 --> 01:47:59,160I look forward to testing outthe live item tag Sunday Martin162501:47:59,160 --> 01:48:02,940Linda Skog Lyceum para Pitocin.Twitch.162601:48:04,170 --> 01:48:07,500This is actually cool. Now Iknow that pod verse doesn't do162701:48:07,500 --> 01:48:09,840that per minute streaming.They're working on that because162801:48:09,840 --> 01:48:14,970of player things. But in the inthe interface, when you set it162901:48:14,970 --> 01:48:20,760up with your lb wallet, you havean amount for the boosts. And163001:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,010then although it's unclear ifit's an addition or if it's163101:48:23,010 --> 01:48:25,800separate, I think it's anaddition. Then you can163201:48:25,800 --> 01:48:28,740separately and I think thedefault is 50 sites you can163301:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,460boost 50 sites to the app to podverse every single time you163401:48:32,460 --> 01:48:36,630boost greatly. That's do it. Youcan configure it. Great way to163501:48:36,630 --> 01:48:39,660do it. So it's so it's notdefined in the split. It's163601:48:39,660 --> 01:48:43,560completely separate. It's clear.There's a suggested amount you163701:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,950can do whatever you want. Greatidea. I like that. Yes. Yeah,163801:48:46,950 --> 01:48:49,560that's that's perfect. And itworks because you see someone163901:48:49,560 --> 01:48:50,160understood it.164001:48:52,890 --> 01:48:57,480More does podcasts back 1111 111He says your boots on the ground164101:48:57,480 --> 01:49:00,510report from pm 22 wassurprising. Adam. I hear a lot164201:49:00,510 --> 01:49:04,170about woke stuff, but just don'tsee it much here in Brizzy. Hope164301:49:04,170 --> 01:49:05,910you guys had fun anyway. Oh,yeah.164401:49:05,940 --> 01:49:08,700Oh, no. We had a lot of youkidding me? I got 35 minutes of164501:49:08,700 --> 01:49:10,440free content out of that isgreat.164601:49:11,400 --> 01:49:14,970We had a great time. Yeah. Thatwas a bonus. That was a bonus.164701:49:15,749 --> 01:49:19,799No, and, and again, it justshowed me that we the escape164801:49:19,799 --> 01:49:24,629hatch we've built is here. It'son time. We made it. People164901:49:24,659 --> 01:49:28,889People have an alternative path.And it's clear. And if you went165001:49:28,889 --> 01:49:31,109during lunchtime to the smallconference room around the165101:49:31,109 --> 01:49:32,999corner in the back, you mighthave found out about it.165201:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,790People People should not have acenter at their conferences165301:49:38,790 --> 01:49:41,700because every time we show up,controversial things happen. We165401:49:41,700 --> 01:49:44,340went to the Bitcoin Miamiconference and Jack Dorsey got165501:49:44,340 --> 01:49:47,160accosted on stage by a statesenator.165601:49:48,030 --> 01:49:51,480Do you want the wrong kind of PRfor your conference invite Adam165701:49:51,480 --> 01:49:52,200and Dave?165801:49:52,350 --> 01:49:57,990Yes, yes. Brian of London andhave Dao send us 46,972 SAS the165901:49:57,990 --> 01:50:01,710fee for V app yo yo says You'veprobably answered this already.166001:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,950I want to hear about pod ping atwebcast movement. Shabbat166101:50:04,950 --> 01:50:05,520Shalom.166201:50:06,750 --> 01:50:08,400Shalom. Yeah,166301:50:08,430 --> 01:50:10,680we have we've already talkedabout it already given that give166401:50:10,680 --> 01:50:15,660a little pod pink talk earlier.Thank you, Brian. Lyceum 1776166501:50:15,660 --> 01:50:19,140Liberty boost, and he says I'llsend a big baller histogram next166601:50:19,140 --> 01:50:23,610time it has a reference tobowling. It is time to strike166701:50:23,610 --> 01:50:26,940out some stuff in PC pedosphereWith better arguments and166801:50:26,940 --> 01:50:29,910intellectual ammo. Thanks forstanding up for freedom of166901:50:29,910 --> 01:50:32,730expression. Your work ispositive fossil fuel for my167001:50:32,730 --> 01:50:36,720soul. That's premises Martinlindskog from lecien para167101:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,290pentose on Twitter. Thank you.Thanks, Martin. Appreciate that.167201:50:40,290 --> 01:50:43,95055 feet fast that's fromPfeiffer from the folk hour. He167301:50:43,950 --> 01:50:49,530says go podcasting go podcastthat that boost came in through167401:50:49,530 --> 01:50:52,740the into the podcast in thiswebsite. Oh cool167501:50:52,740 --> 01:50:56,280that we're working on it fromeverywhere. It is working. Love167601:50:56,280 --> 01:50:56,460it.167701:50:56,520 --> 01:51:00,330River River City mystery. sentus 10,000 SATs nice167801:51:00,330 --> 01:51:01,440thank you very much.167901:51:02,129 --> 01:51:06,089Oost go podcasting Matt theriver city mystery podcast168001:51:06,299 --> 01:51:15,869podcast. Be glass to send his3223 through fountain. And he168101:51:15,869 --> 01:51:17,669says this is a boost for DameJennifer.168201:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,590Oh, very nice,168301:51:19,920 --> 01:51:20,430basically,168401:51:20,490 --> 01:51:21,750or should we do?168501:51:22,800 --> 01:51:29,670Here's your cue to boost youknow you want to stay tuned next168601:51:29,670 --> 01:51:34,410week. For the math. The mathjingle yo yo 2110 For Moritz168701:51:34,440 --> 01:51:38,670from lb o do the pet podcast inthis website. He says where's168801:51:38,670 --> 01:51:40,410the hackathon man?168901:51:41,640 --> 01:51:44,910stamp on standby two weeks ismore than two weeks standby169001:51:47,100 --> 01:51:52,890be glad to send us another 30 to23 for Dame Jennifer thing he169101:51:52,890 --> 01:51:59,550says oh wait that's me. I was soas a test boost for me. And then169201:51:59,550 --> 01:52:03,870we got 4554 from Nomad Joethrough fountain Nene says eat169301:52:03,870 --> 01:52:04,590more beef169401:52:07,380 --> 01:52:10,110we need a cow a cow boost a cowboost.169501:52:10,470 --> 01:52:14,970And we got the delimiter commastraight blogger area 15,033169601:52:14,970 --> 01:52:20,190sets he says howdy Dave and Mnext time you go to Podcast169701:52:20,190 --> 01:52:23,280Movement conference and you needperson of color due to diversity169801:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,820quota. You can take me my skincolor is pink. It's like big169901:52:26,820 --> 01:52:32,490skin color. Okay, anyways,anyways, you're warmly welcome170001:52:32,490 --> 01:52:36,120to listen to our podcast calledAI dot cooking narrated by170101:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,510Gregory William Forsythe Formanfrom can't just type in your web170201:52:39,510 --> 01:52:48,660browser or podcast app AI dotcooking forward to your bycatch.170301:52:49,860 --> 01:52:53,490I don't think pink is whatanybody has in mind. But thanks170401:52:53,490 --> 01:52:54,360for the offer chemistry.170501:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,720Totally, totally appreciate it.Thank you all thank you all so170601:52:57,720 --> 01:53:03,240much for providing the value. Ithelps the trip cost money. So170701:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,420thank you very much for helpingout. We did buy a couple of170801:53:06,420 --> 01:53:09,390drinks for people although a lotof people bought us drinks too.170901:53:09,900 --> 01:53:13,770So we weren't like loser heelsyou know we actually we171001:53:13,770 --> 01:53:17,760participated in the in the valueexchange. So thank you for171101:53:17,790 --> 01:53:23,130supporting our trip here and forsupporting podcasting 2.0 It's171201:53:23,160 --> 01:53:26,970It's humbling is beautiful andwe are a prime example of the171301:53:26,970 --> 01:53:30,030escape hatch open wide foranybody to jump through it if171401:53:30,030 --> 01:53:33,360you'd like to support us go topodcast index.org down at the171501:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,570bottom of that front page you'vegot a red donate button or donut171601:53:36,570 --> 01:53:40,230as you prefer. And from thereyou can send us Fiat fun coupons171701:53:40,230 --> 01:53:42,840through Pay Pal you can use a QRcode for on chain or for171801:53:42,840 --> 01:53:47,160lightning or go to new podcastapps.com and get yourself one of171901:53:47,160 --> 01:53:49,590those fancy podcast apps thatdoes value for value.172001:53:51,270 --> 01:53:55,260We got some monthlies. Justfollow it up. Putney pod news.172101:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,270Thank you James $50 Who172201:53:57,270 --> 01:53:59,010thanks yeah, thanks172301:53:59,040 --> 01:54:03,930Duane. Goldie is good see him inperson by the way is good night172401:54:03,930 --> 01:54:05,970you guys had a nice chat withhim last night about some172501:54:07,020 --> 01:54:08,280what is the what is Dwaynedoing?172601:54:09,420 --> 01:54:11,850Oh, no, no, no, no, I asked himabout James. Oh, okay.172701:54:11,880 --> 01:54:16,470Oh, yeah, that was James. Jamesis tall. He was really tall.172801:54:16,980 --> 01:54:20,430He's a very tall man. Robgreenlees tall. Is he told her172901:54:20,430 --> 01:54:22,950the new six eight.173001:54:23,640 --> 01:54:25,020Good God Almighty,173101:54:25,050 --> 01:54:28,830you know, forget me. Greenleeand Cridland. We have the start173201:54:28,830 --> 01:54:31,050of the podcast and 2.0basketball team.173301:54:35,040 --> 01:54:39,120Yes, yes, you do. If you if ifyour entire basketball team is173401:54:39,120 --> 01:54:43,500going to be all sinners. We haveno point guards. We're just173501:54:44,160 --> 01:54:46,470a bunch of other guys around us.Yes.173601:54:47,400 --> 01:54:53,130Dwayne Goldy $8 Paul Erskine$11.14. Michael Gagan $5 and173701:54:53,130 --> 01:54:58,170Charles current $5 JamesSullivan $10 Sean McCune $20173801:54:58,170 --> 01:55:01,830Thank you Sean ChristopherRaymer 10 dollars gone plus Buck173901:55:01,920 --> 01:55:07,590$5. Jordan Dunnville $10.02.Coats $6.66 That evil donation,174001:55:07,770 --> 01:55:14,010Michael Kimmerer $5.33 DredScott again, $15. Man, thank you174101:55:14,010 --> 01:55:19,200so much, Miller $20 and LesleyMartin $2. Thank you to174201:55:19,230 --> 01:55:19,830everybody.174301:55:20,490 --> 01:55:23,760Really appreciate it. Good valuefor value. Good week, I'm glad174401:55:23,760 --> 01:55:28,530we came. I'm glad we got to seeeverybody. I think the big174501:55:28,530 --> 01:55:31,830benefit was hanging out withpeople that we're working with,174601:55:32,010 --> 01:55:34,950or people are interested, wecould do this without it being174701:55:34,950 --> 01:55:39,840necessarily a conference. And,in fact, there's so many174801:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,180different ways we could meetperiodically, which I think is174901:55:42,180 --> 01:55:46,050really good to just startlooking at you can't do on on175001:55:46,050 --> 01:55:49,170Mastodon or email or even videocalls. You know,175101:55:50,250 --> 01:55:54,720I'd love to just have like apodcasting to meet up, ya know,175201:55:54,720 --> 01:55:59,580once a year, so just just andnot and just jettison the live175301:55:59,580 --> 01:56:04,080music and the salespeople. Justjust ever meet up and do it and175401:56:04,080 --> 01:56:06,630just do it. Just have some goodconversation and some and some175501:56:06,630 --> 01:56:11,070food. Yeah. And just talk aboutstuff for a day. That would be175601:56:11,070 --> 01:56:12,600much more enjoyable to me,actually.175701:56:12,630 --> 01:56:14,970Oh, I totally agree. And if wedo it in Vegas, then we can get175801:56:14,970 --> 01:56:16,350hookers and blow at the sametime.175901:56:17,670 --> 01:56:19,050There's a lot of good booststhat come out of that.176001:56:23,940 --> 01:56:27,390All right, ma'am. So what areyou doing today? Because I'm176101:56:27,390 --> 01:56:31,170gonna, I'm gonna have fun on outof here. I'm gonna go home,176201:56:31,170 --> 01:56:33,510spend the night with my wife.Tomorrow. I'm driving back to176301:56:33,510 --> 01:56:37,440Austin for bit block boom, whichI committed to and you know,176401:56:37,440 --> 01:56:41,190Gary Leland, the old podcastmedical guy who sold the176501:56:41,190 --> 01:56:44,100conference, he started bitblock, boom. He's asked me for176601:56:44,100 --> 01:56:47,220years. I've always weaseled outof it. I tried to get out of it176701:56:47,220 --> 01:56:53,310again this year. I really did.But no, I I owe it to him. And176801:56:53,310 --> 01:56:56,160it's good for us. Because therewill be people there that you176901:56:56,160 --> 01:57:00,390know, are interested in whatwe're doing. But yeah, so I'm177001:57:00,390 --> 01:57:03,330just and then I'll be very, I'llbe very tight. Yeah, I'm bailing177101:57:03,330 --> 01:57:05,700out tonight. So I'm sorry. Whatdo you got any? You're gonna177201:57:05,700 --> 01:57:08,130hang with you got anyone? Bybasically are you going to be177301:57:08,130 --> 01:57:09,420okay, if I leave you alone?177401:57:09,900 --> 01:57:15,780I'll be okay. I'll be okay. NowI get I'm gonna go hang out.177501:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,570First thing I'm going to do iseat because I'm freaking177601:57:18,570 --> 01:57:19,290starving and177701:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,100not eaten. Well, no. I'm gonnago177801:57:23,130 --> 01:57:26,190get some food. And then I'mgoing to meet up with John177901:57:26,190 --> 01:57:29,070Spurlock. I think cool. He saidhe wanted to talk about some178001:57:29,070 --> 01:57:29,520stuff.178101:57:29,550 --> 01:57:31,860Yeah, but if you watch you watchhim178201:57:33,540 --> 01:57:38,160talk about some stuff and thenjust say you know, say goodbyes178301:57:38,160 --> 01:57:43,110and stuff. I'm me. I'm trying todecide and decide if I want to178401:57:43,530 --> 01:57:47,640leave early tonight and Dingeslike split the difference like178501:57:47,640 --> 01:57:51,540maybe drive for hours tonightcrash somewhere underway. Crash178601:57:51,540 --> 01:57:54,570get around a roadside hotel andthen do this do the next leg178701:57:54,570 --> 01:57:58,710tomorrow morning. That would getme back earlier than like five178801:57:58,710 --> 01:58:00,120o'clock in the afternoontomorrow.178901:58:00,750 --> 01:58:05,790Yeah, you know it's you whateveryou want to do do it and I think179001:58:05,790 --> 01:58:08,940we can agree the board andmanagement of which you are179101:58:10,560 --> 01:58:14,280equal shareholder will approvethis prove this is a huge179201:58:14,700 --> 01:58:20,460expense. Double approved. We wewe actually did that on taxes.179301:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,910I'm going to order that shittybreakfast burrito room serves179401:58:23,910 --> 01:58:29,730Yeah, I'm doing the sameapproved approved okay. We're179501:58:29,730 --> 01:58:32,580careful with the with thecommunity funds here. You know,179601:58:32,850 --> 01:58:36,270we it's highly appreciated. Whatcomes in there's no frivolity179701:58:36,300 --> 01:58:36,840involved.179801:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,690No, none. All right. Well,179901:58:39,690 --> 01:58:44,010you say goodbye for anybody Ididn't see and tell him. Yeah,180001:58:44,040 --> 01:58:47,850had a good time. Yeah, Dynamitewas great. Third time in our180101:58:47,850 --> 01:58:49,560lives, we've actually beentogether in the same way.180201:58:50,310 --> 01:58:52,710It was really good. It's amazingthat we've done so much crazy180301:58:52,710 --> 01:58:54,210crap and we've only met threetimes180401:58:54,270 --> 01:58:58,230just goes to show. Yeah, safetravels, safe travels my brother180501:58:58,230 --> 01:59:00,600right at me. Hi, everybody.Thank you very much for being180601:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,870here once again for the boardmeeting of podcasting. 2.0 We180701:59:03,870 --> 01:59:06,870will be back next Friday. Pleasejoin us William till that180801:59:06,870 --> 01:59:07,770everybody bye bye.180901:59:23,580 --> 01:59:28,140You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast181001:59:28,140 --> 01:59:31,620index.org For more information,podcast