Episode 97: Forever Fifteen

100:00:00,810 --> 00:00:07,140podcasting 2.0 for August12 2020 to Episode 97 Forever 15200:00:09,120 --> 00:00:12,240Well, hello everybody, welcometo the board meeting for300:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,310podcasting. 2.0 your weeklyvitamin pill if you're into400:00:17,310 --> 00:00:22,200podcasting, I guess it's like,you know, carrots and tomatoes500:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,890and everything in one littledusty bill. That's right. We'll600:00:25,890 --> 00:00:27,390bring you up to speed andeverything happening with700:00:27,390 --> 00:00:31,620podcasting 2.0 Whatever is goingon at podcast index dot social800:00:31,620 --> 00:00:34,890and I am Adam curry in the heartof the Texas Hill Country in900:00:34,890 --> 00:00:38,490Alabama. My master of theslideshow deck say hello to my1000:00:38,490 --> 00:00:42,390friend on the other end, ladiesand gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.1100:00:43,049 --> 00:00:46,859It's like a V eight. It's likedrinking a va a VA. Every1200:00:46,859 --> 00:00:47,369Friday.1300:00:47,610 --> 00:00:50,880That's what it is. Rememberthose? My mom used to drink V1400:00:50,880 --> 00:00:51,360aids.1500:00:52,140 --> 00:00:56,520The AIDS are super gross. Yeah.And but they're not as bad as1600:00:56,550 --> 00:00:58,410Komodo. Do you remember?Clemont?1700:00:58,410 --> 00:01:02,700No, I don't remember Komodo thissounds like Chlamydia is1800:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,270a horrible name for for drink.It's terrible. It sounds like it1900:01:06,270 --> 00:01:11,550sounds sounds like an STD. Andit tastes like an STD. It's2000:01:11,550 --> 00:01:13,980tomato juice with clam juicemixed in.2100:01:14,250 --> 00:01:18,900Oh yes. I do know Komodo Yes.Yes. I do know this. That is a2200:01:18,900 --> 00:01:19,770horrible drink.2300:01:20,220 --> 00:01:23,790Oh, yes. Well, I don't know whatit I mean, like, who sat around2400:01:23,790 --> 00:01:24,810it? Man.2500:01:24,840 --> 00:01:25,980I thought I could tomato.2600:01:27,810 --> 00:01:31,680Juice is not as it's not. It'snot super terrible. What can we2700:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,620do to push it over the edge tomake it undrinkable2800:01:34,830 --> 00:01:36,570some clam sap in there.2900:01:37,770 --> 00:01:40,320And we want a We want your visitto the bathroom later to be3000:01:40,320 --> 00:01:46,050equally horrible. I never toldyou. I just it just dawned on3100:01:46,050 --> 00:01:51,720me. I never told you. My storyhere comes and ever told you my3200:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,160story about what happened withthe chickens? About three weeks3300:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,050ago when I had that. You know Idid that thing with radio Inc.3400:02:01,050 --> 00:02:05,820With Ed Ryan. Yeah, his how tomake real money. Right?3500:02:06,089 --> 00:02:08,819Right. Yeah, it's a very blatanttitle is what I was gonna say3600:02:08,819 --> 00:02:11,339yes. How To Make Money With pothow to make real money with3700:02:11,339 --> 00:02:13,589podcasting. Money.3800:02:14,940 --> 00:02:17,790I love the I love the title. Ilove how it's just like, it's3900:02:17,790 --> 00:02:20,940just you know, pulls no punches.It's like, come and make huge4000:02:20,940 --> 00:02:25,890sums of money or something likethat. So I did it on my lunch4100:02:25,890 --> 00:02:29,070break. And like I normally dothese things. And I wasn't4200:02:29,070 --> 00:02:33,390thinking so we've got we've gotchickens in the backyard. Well,4300:02:33,390 --> 00:02:39,900I mean, they're in a coop. Andso Melissa had started letting4400:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,190the chickens out to roam aroundthe yard a couple of days before4500:02:44,190 --> 00:02:47,670that. So we're trying to sort oftrain them in to be in you know,4600:02:47,670 --> 00:02:52,380like some yard chickens. And Icome in, and I'm not you know,4700:02:52,380 --> 00:02:56,760typically what I do is I comein, and I for lunch break. Just4800:02:56,910 --> 00:03:00,060eat something as fast as I canjust consume it as quickly as4900:03:00,060 --> 00:03:02,730possible before I jump on thepodcast or an interview or5000:03:02,730 --> 00:03:07,140something. And so I'm notthinking straight. I'm eating at5100:03:07,140 --> 00:03:11,070the same time and I let the dogout. I let banjo out. Oh, into5200:03:11,070 --> 00:03:14,970the backyard. Yeah. And then Iclose and I'm in Okay,5300:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,820how many how many minutes did ittake before you realize you're5400:03:17,820 --> 00:03:18,480about 305500:03:19,650 --> 00:03:25,560seconds. I was like, Oh crap. SoI run out the back door and he's5600:03:25,560 --> 00:03:31,530got one of the chickens pinneddown by the wing sniffing it5700:03:31,530 --> 00:03:37,410like ready to just eat? Yes.Yeah. The nowadays Yes, exactly.5800:03:37,860 --> 00:03:41,040And you know go in there andjust you know not you know,5900:03:41,070 --> 00:03:43,380knock him and get him out I'mlike yeah, you get away from it.6000:03:43,380 --> 00:03:46,170Well then these two other chicksthe two we get three the two6100:03:46,170 --> 00:03:48,630other chickens. They freak outand bail out start running6200:03:48,630 --> 00:03:51,120across the yard. Well he takesoff after they're taken off6300:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,780after him and this is 110 pounddog right? Yeah,6400:03:54,810 --> 00:03:58,410he's well over 100 pounds. It'sabout 100 degrees outside now6500:03:58,410 --> 00:04:02,160but and I'm running after aboutfive minutes I managed to6600:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,060finally get my head6700:04:03,450 --> 00:04:05,130over here you are the dog is6800:04:05,520 --> 00:04:12,060we're close enough finally getmy hand around his around his6900:04:12,060 --> 00:04:15,840collar in and I'm able to youknow to wrestle him back in7000:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,600here. And then it's likeliterally like 30 seconds before7100:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,860I'm supposed to jump on withEdie. I come in, come over here7200:04:22,890 --> 00:04:26,520and sit down and it's like,boom, love. I mean, this was7300:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,760like, I cannot believe I didn'tlook like a complete disaster.7400:04:30,900 --> 00:04:36,330Oh, how did it go? went great.It was fun to email you later7500:04:36,330 --> 00:04:38,040and say Hey, thanks, man. I'mmaking money.7600:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,830Now they didn't actually it'sfunny enough they didn't I7700:04:40,830 --> 00:04:43,230haven't gotten any emailsinteresting. That didn't the7800:04:43,230 --> 00:04:46,980date the next day. The hall gateone of our chickens so oh7900:04:46,980 --> 00:04:50,010goodness. The lead them out inthe backyard experiment didn't8000:04:50,010 --> 00:04:50,640last very long.8100:04:52,470 --> 00:04:57,240Yeah, he was sorry. I'm sorry tohear that. So are you are you8200:04:57,270 --> 00:05:00,660down one chicken so you stillhave two left yet? Chicken down.8300:05:00,810 --> 00:05:03,960And I had chickens. I hadprobably about 10 or 128400:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,220chickens. I had the castle and Ihad goats and shit. And our dog.8500:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,680Oh yeah. of goats the worst.Yeah, it's8600:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,550just funny how you said, thecastle. Castle. We8700:05:14,550 --> 00:05:16,860all know it used to be rich, youknow? And then I spent it all8800:05:16,860 --> 00:05:19,740on, you know, chickens, goats,castles, helicopters, you know,8900:05:19,740 --> 00:05:23,250stuff like that. One does don'tfeel bad. I had a good time.9000:05:24,810 --> 00:05:27,330I really did. Those 40s were ablur.9100:05:28,170 --> 00:05:33,000Exactly. It was a good estimate.We it really was it was 30 3040.9200:05:35,790 --> 00:05:40,110And, you know, the chickens. Youknow, Christina, my daughter,9300:05:40,110 --> 00:05:43,500she was probably about 1314 atthe time. And we said that let's9400:05:43,500 --> 00:05:46,050go, you know, this whole idyllicthing. Let's go get some eggs9500:05:46,050 --> 00:05:48,240from the chickens like, oh,yeah, we walk with a little9600:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,500basket and go do chickens aremean bastards. They're terrible.9700:05:52,500 --> 00:05:59,340They hold your hand like not atall, like in the in the in the9800:05:59,340 --> 00:06:02,280in the fairy tale book, youknow? No, no, don't9900:06:02,280 --> 00:06:06,900love you. They love you. Yeah, abuddy of mine has chickens in10000:06:06,900 --> 00:06:11,700his, his. He had a bunch ofthem. And his dog is his son at10100:06:11,700 --> 00:06:16,110a date coming over. And he waslike, first time ever, you know,10200:06:16,110 --> 00:06:20,160like this blind date. And sothen they go, that is dark. And10300:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,380he's like, hey, I want you toyou know, once you see my chick,10400:06:22,380 --> 00:06:24,450and she's, they were talkingabout how many chickens they10500:06:24,450 --> 00:06:26,280had. And things like, Come Comeback here. And look, it's really10600:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,430cool. So they go, he takes herin the backyard, and they have a10700:06:29,430 --> 00:06:32,430flashlight and everything.They're gonna show him all10800:06:32,430 --> 00:06:35,070because they had like 15chickens, gets back there, a10900:06:35,070 --> 00:06:39,000raccoon had gotten in goodness.And it was just feathers and11000:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,710blood and guts. He was like, Oh,my God, this is horrible.11100:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,310Yes, there's somewhere there'san analogy in there for11200:06:47,310 --> 00:06:50,850podcasting. I haven't quitefigured it out yet. Chicken 2.0.11300:06:50,850 --> 00:06:53,730Well, you know what came firstchicken or the egg. And I'm11400:06:53,730 --> 00:06:58,650gonna make a bold prediction.I'm also going to say that I've11500:06:58,650 --> 00:07:03,900really been paying attention tothe hosting companies, and the11600:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,570speed of development, the amountof development and I've11700:07:06,570 --> 00:07:10,530mentioned it before, we have acompetition going on. Now people11800:07:10,530 --> 00:07:12,840are seeing that these arestandard items, you have to have11900:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,910your podcasts on podcasting 2.0features, I think by this time12000:07:17,910 --> 00:07:22,740next year, so that'll be what isit, August 12, Apple will have12100:07:24,060 --> 00:07:27,840declared the namespace in theirproduct. And they will be using12200:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,540probably chapters. And thereason to get us to get a pin I12300:07:33,540 --> 00:07:37,140gotta read. Sure. Put it put itin our blue book. And the reason12400:07:37,140 --> 00:07:41,940for this is very simple. This isalways the problem. This is the12500:07:41,940 --> 00:07:46,080chicken in the egg of thesetypes of situations. But now we12600:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,910have thanks to the appdevelopers. We have receivers,12700:07:50,910 --> 00:07:53,820we have radios, we have appsthat understand these features,12800:07:53,820 --> 00:07:57,810and there's people using them.But more importantly, now we12900:07:57,810 --> 00:08:00,660have hosting companies who areoffering this content,13000:08:01,410 --> 00:08:05,910additional content, and anyproduct manager, any product13100:08:05,910 --> 00:08:10,770manager will eventually say, youknow, there's enough people13200:08:10,770 --> 00:08:12,810using this that we shouldprobably integrate some of13300:08:12,810 --> 00:08:15,480these, which ones are we goingto do? And I'm telling you and13400:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,090and an apple would be smart todo it because they can13500:08:18,090 --> 00:08:22,770differentiate because Spotify isstuck in their own internal13600:08:22,770 --> 00:08:25,950processes. You know, Spotifywill say Oh, yeah, don't make13700:08:25,950 --> 00:08:30,960translators. You know, thosewill take the namespace data and13800:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,560we'll change that into ourSpotify spec. And whatever13900:08:34,560 --> 00:08:38,250anchor is going to create. Ifeel very comfortable making14000:08:38,250 --> 00:08:41,640this prediction, thisprediction. I really do. I can14100:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,590see the writing on the wall andand then then we all need to pat14200:08:46,590 --> 00:08:50,010ourselves on the back and go,Oh, shit, we have this power all14300:08:50,010 --> 00:08:50,520along.14400:08:51,630 --> 00:08:54,660That's what Well, that's whathasn't done it. Isn't that what14500:08:54,660 --> 00:08:57,840we've been saying since thebeginning? Everybody has this14600:08:57,840 --> 00:08:58,560power. Yeah,14700:08:58,560 --> 00:09:01,200that's why I'm coming. I'mpreparing everyone for the I14800:09:01,200 --> 00:09:01,980told you so.14900:09:02,580 --> 00:09:06,720Oh, okay. Everybody. Yeah, no,no, like this. That's a bold15000:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,320prediction.15100:09:07,530 --> 00:09:12,030And everyone can be really proudbecause it's there. It's done.15200:09:12,060 --> 00:09:14,790You know, it's gonna happen,it's inevitable, it's15300:09:14,790 --> 00:09:20,280unavoidable. And even Spotify,you know, they, again, they're15400:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,340stuck in their internalprocesses and beliefs, etc. But15500:09:23,340 --> 00:09:27,840we have some massive lift offhere. I mean, just step back and15600:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,820look around and see what'shappening when you have hosts at15700:09:32,820 --> 00:09:37,740the level of rss.com andBuzzsprout. But you know, also15800:09:37,770 --> 00:09:42,210transistor and captivate and,and you have, let us know the15900:09:42,210 --> 00:09:48,990blueberry and has dos Castillo'sLind let's not forget who's our16000:09:48,990 --> 00:09:52,050French friends I keepforgetting. Oh cast apod cast16100:09:52,050 --> 00:09:58,080the pod Yeah. spod cast Oh podwhich is basically hosting16200:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,110company in a box. We're creatingthe car Vantage is being created16300:10:01,110 --> 00:10:05,400the it's almost like, I mean,you see it with everything when16400:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,750the capability is offered atscale, which now the content is16500:10:09,750 --> 00:10:10,740offered at scale Hans, I16600:10:10,740 --> 00:10:14,640can yeah16700:10:18,810 --> 00:10:22,350dog sorry, she, she liked thechicken, she's I'm done with the16800:10:22,350 --> 00:10:22,890chickens.16900:10:24,630 --> 00:10:26,220Definitely Nima she the dog,17000:10:27,150 --> 00:10:29,970our dog is also over 100 pounds,it's just and I leave the door17100:10:29,970 --> 00:10:33,690open. And she can't quite getthrough without her side17200:10:33,690 --> 00:10:36,540scraping the door, you know, butshe could push and it would17300:10:36,540 --> 00:10:39,210open. She won't do it. She juststands there. Like17400:10:40,290 --> 00:10:41,190I can't do it.17500:10:44,010 --> 00:10:46,350100 pounds, she could go throughthe door with a when it was17600:10:46,350 --> 00:10:48,210closed, if you want to doanyway.17700:10:49,590 --> 00:10:52,110My dog has not figured out thathe could get anything off the17800:10:52,110 --> 00:10:55,320counter that he wanted. It justdoesn't make sense to him. I17900:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,240mean, he could easily just pillfor everything and the whole18000:10:57,240 --> 00:10:57,570package.18100:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,670So look at browsers, you know,look at the many projects that18200:11:02,670 --> 00:11:06,510have shaped what browsers aretoday. Now it's all extra18300:11:06,510 --> 00:11:10,020features. Its entire, you know,programming languages have been18400:11:10,020 --> 00:11:14,160added to browsers. So this thiswill have this will happen to18500:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,840all apps. It's it's a done deal.It really is. And I'm so proud18600:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,700of everybody. Really is sofucking proud. I can't explain.18700:11:23,700 --> 00:11:26,850It's so it's so cool. Yeah, Idid use done it.18800:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,410Did you see that? Listen notesis going to add hosting. No. And18900:11:31,410 --> 00:11:35,070that maderos posted this so Oh,interesting. Just a minute.19000:11:35,070 --> 00:11:38,220Well, I mean, it's on theirside. The one question I have19100:11:38,220 --> 00:11:43,770is, it says at the bottom thatcoming in fall, sign up for the19200:11:43,800 --> 00:11:51,960pre waitlist. It's coming infall of 2022. But we're already19300:11:51,990 --> 00:11:55,410we're already way beyond fall of2022. So I don't really know if19400:11:55,410 --> 00:11:58,050this I don't know what thestatus of this thing is. But19500:11:58,230 --> 00:11:59,730supposedly it's free.19600:12:00,030 --> 00:12:01,410Oh, okay.19700:12:02,100 --> 00:12:06,900I don't Well, you don't have tohave19800:12:06,990 --> 00:12:09,900you I know you and everybody hasmixed feelings about free.19900:12:10,500 --> 00:12:16,980It's that and it's also youknow, I don't I haven't really20000:12:16,980 --> 00:12:19,500had time to digest it becausehe's, he's posted this morning20100:12:19,500 --> 00:12:24,180and but I don't know, somethingmakes me uncomfortable about20200:12:25,380 --> 00:12:31,110director directories also doinghosting. Okay, it's sort of like20300:12:31,110 --> 00:12:33,420that. Well, I mean, same withApple. But it makes me20400:12:33,420 --> 00:12:36,210uncomfortable that Apple isdoing hosting. You know, they're20500:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,540they're hosting Moravec feedsfor subscriptions. Rick, if this20600:12:39,540 --> 00:12:44,490was that, I think I would be alittle bit less concerned by it.20700:12:44,490 --> 00:12:46,500If it was like, Oh, hey, we'regonna be oh, what I mean,20800:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,920because they're because theywill won't expose feeds or20900:12:49,920 --> 00:12:50,790something like that.21000:12:52,110 --> 00:12:56,430Well, yeah. Okay. So this is anAP. No, it's not it's not that21100:12:56,430 --> 00:12:59,790it's just that listen. Solisten, notes is a is an AP on a21200:12:59,790 --> 00:13:01,860directory just like podcastsindex. Aha.21300:13:03,060 --> 00:13:05,790No, not just like pod Well,expert. Okay.21400:13:06,330 --> 00:13:11,670Understand? Yes. Correct.Correction. They listened notes21500:13:11,730 --> 00:13:22,740is a directory and API in thevein of podcast index, okay. And21600:13:22,740 --> 00:13:26,400I don't know that it is justsomething about it. I don't know21700:13:26,400 --> 00:13:35,940that it feels appropriate forthe day, he would be like it21800:13:35,940 --> 00:13:40,680would be like if the if thelibrary also published books.21900:13:42,180 --> 00:13:46,020What you know, what, are theygoing to put their stuff at the22000:13:46,770 --> 00:13:49,440end? They're gonna give theirself their stuff favoritism.22100:13:50,070 --> 00:13:53,250Yeah. That bothers more22200:13:53,250 --> 00:13:55,650here. Well, all right.22300:13:57,870 --> 00:14:01,440Because you Okay, well, okay, Ijust it just go ahead, go.22400:14:01,470 --> 00:14:06,330Well, I'm gonna say this.Anybody who is thinking of22500:14:06,330 --> 00:14:15,600getting into the hosting game,you are insane. It is very, very22600:14:15,630 --> 00:14:22,020difficult to run a good hostingcompany. For two reasons. One is22700:14:22,020 --> 00:14:24,450your bandwidth management.Certainly if you are expecting22800:14:24,450 --> 00:14:30,300to have big hits, and you arenot going to own them. Second,22900:14:30,570 --> 00:14:35,220is you're dealing with peoplewho are almost on par with ham23000:14:35,220 --> 00:14:43,260radio operators when it comes totime suck. And, and education23100:14:43,260 --> 00:14:49,110needs. These are people company,they really are people company.23200:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,440And you know, so you know, whydoes everybody have Why does a23300:14:52,650 --> 00:14:55,710Buzzsprout have a podcast? Whydoes Lipson have a podcast? Why23400:14:55,710 --> 00:14:58,890does blueberry have a podcast?This is all part of it. You know23500:14:58,890 --> 00:15:03,090Todd Cochran? spends half hisday talking to podcasters you23600:15:03,090 --> 00:15:06,480know, onboarding, you got to goto conferences, you have to have23700:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,480presence. I mean, this is notjust oh, we'll just turn Yeah,23800:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,050well, it's kind of the reverseof value for value in the ask,23900:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,900you know, if, if you're notasking for any money, you say,24000:15:15,900 --> 00:15:18,750here it is, we're free, you'regonna get a bunch of shit.24100:15:19,830 --> 00:15:23,430You're just gonna get shit. Andthen and so but now you have to24200:15:23,430 --> 00:15:27,150weed through shit to help peoplewho don't understand anything.24300:15:27,780 --> 00:15:31,380Which kind of which if you don'tmind, moves me to marketing.24400:15:32,340 --> 00:15:34,140Okay, because I want to talkabout this24500:15:34,590 --> 00:15:37,680marketing of the of podcasting.2.0 Yes,24600:15:37,710 --> 00:15:40,740you know, podcasting, 2.0marketing, explanation,24700:15:40,770 --> 00:15:43,110education, the things thateveryone is talking about24800:15:43,110 --> 00:15:46,860incessantly the stuff that we'rereally good at this, that we are24900:15:46,860 --> 00:15:51,240no good at. And, and you and Iprivately have given up on it.25000:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,630And we said, let's just see ifit's true. Let's just see what25100:15:54,630 --> 00:15:58,530happens. So I want to make itclear, it is my belief that25200:15:58,620 --> 00:16:02,940podcasts index has no need to bemarketed, it does not need to be25300:16:02,940 --> 00:16:06,600a destination site does not needto be an education site does not25400:16:06,600 --> 00:16:13,050need to be anything other than apointer to apps, services,25500:16:13,530 --> 00:16:20,640develop developers and otherrelevant resources. Okay. So25600:16:21,630 --> 00:16:26,250just like everything else, inpodcasting, we need to25700:16:26,250 --> 00:16:30,240decentralize this. And I have,of course, we will support25800:16:30,270 --> 00:16:35,130anybody who sets up aninformational site, or an25900:16:35,130 --> 00:16:39,000educational, so any, anythingyou have, will point to it, you26000:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,490know, we'll, we'll, we'll make apage and here's more26100:16:41,490 --> 00:16:44,610information. So if peoplesomehow wind up at podcasts,26200:16:44,610 --> 00:16:49,620index.org they can find it. Butwe have so many people who don't26300:16:49,650 --> 00:16:52,770know, Dan J. Lewis, this is whyI think I finally got him to26400:16:52,770 --> 00:16:56,160understand, like, why don't youjust set something up, call it26500:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,480podcasting 2.0 education in yourbutt.com. And then we'll point26600:17:00,870 --> 00:17:03,930it that actually don't, and thenwe'll point to it and make a26700:17:03,930 --> 00:17:07,170great kick ass explanation. Butyou know, when we get into,26800:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,530let's divide the brands of theinto, I don't give a shit we26900:17:10,530 --> 00:17:13,260don't have we don't care. Wedon't care. This is not a27000:17:13,260 --> 00:17:19,740business. It's a resource, itslove of and long, long, long27100:17:19,740 --> 00:17:22,980term, maybe we'll get some SATs,that'll be worth something one27200:17:22,980 --> 00:17:28,470day. That's it. And everythingelse is to serve the podcast27300:17:28,470 --> 00:17:32,370industry, no podcaster needs tocome to us to understand how to27400:17:32,370 --> 00:17:35,520do this, because they're notgonna get they're never gonna27500:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,570get anything. And we can'tdesign this by committee, you27600:17:39,570 --> 00:17:42,150know, make it and I wantCridland to make his own kids27700:17:42,150 --> 00:17:46,260and does this all his own newpodcast apps version, and this27800:17:46,260 --> 00:17:50,220is fine. It doesn't have to beone central place where then we27900:17:50,430 --> 00:17:53,730we already saw pull requests, itdoesn't really work. You know,28000:17:53,730 --> 00:17:57,210make it a testing ground forstuff. You know, I love what28100:17:57,210 --> 00:18:01,920comics or Blogger did with thewith the boosts with using the28200:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,030value block from the website andAlbie. So thanks for that to28300:18:06,060 --> 00:18:07,410five other sites. No,28400:18:07,410 --> 00:18:08,730Steven B. That was always even28500:18:08,730 --> 00:18:14,400me. I'm sorry. So but but you'reright. Regardless, there's no28600:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,180third party sites. It's allfirst party information. If28700:18:18,180 --> 00:18:21,810you're involved in this writeit, you know, I want to have a28800:18:21,810 --> 00:18:26,790definitive pod pain page thatexplains everything I know who28900:18:26,790 --> 00:18:30,810should write it. You know, let'shave all that and let's let's29000:18:30,810 --> 00:18:35,400point to those pieces like adirectory does, because that's29100:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,180what we are.29200:18:38,190 --> 00:18:41,910I've got I've got thoughts.Okay. And these thoughts came29300:18:41,910 --> 00:18:47,790from the recently now completedslideshow presentation for the29400:18:48,750 --> 00:18:49,560podcast. Do you have29500:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,900a slide for me, which is justhow to make money?29600:18:53,550 --> 00:18:57,240Yeah, no, you have one slide inthe presentation is this slide29700:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,750number two? It says intro dadada29800:19:02,190 --> 00:19:04,590perfect. Exactly what I wanted.Yeah.29900:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,860And the other 41 slides or me orfor me 4130000:19:07,860 --> 00:19:09,240slides. You're never30100:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,420gonna make it. I'm gonna do it.He watched me watch. We're gonna30200:19:12,420 --> 00:19:17,520make an okay. Practice. Don'tput on a damn clinic. I'm gonna,30300:19:17,730 --> 00:19:24,150no I haven't practiced at allI'm gonna wing it. So, but my30400:19:24,150 --> 00:19:29,190thoughts from from the fromputting this thing together is30500:19:30,120 --> 00:19:37,770it's what I had to the structureof it is going tag by tag and30600:19:37,890 --> 00:19:42,150saying, Okay, here's the tag andI built an infographic for it.30700:19:43,650 --> 00:19:48,780infographic. Okay, sayinginfographic gives it way more30800:19:48,780 --> 00:19:49,860credit than it deserves.30900:19:50,310 --> 00:19:52,710Is it two circles? Is it a box?31000:19:54,720 --> 00:20:01,860It's things I'll show you butOkay, so I did, I did a little31100:20:01,860 --> 00:20:06,030graphic for each for each tagand showed shows how it works31200:20:06,030 --> 00:20:13,830trying to visualize things. AndSteven B, says, nobody's claimed31300:20:13,830 --> 00:20:16,740a podcasting education in yourbook.com yet, so go grab there.31400:20:18,090 --> 00:20:26,520So we, so it's just slide slidesor take this form, tag in tag31500:20:26,520 --> 00:20:33,090with, with a graphic, maybe acouple of bullet points. And31600:20:33,120 --> 00:20:39,180then an example, like ascreenshot. Working through that31700:20:39,180 --> 00:20:44,370process made me think, okay, areally good site, marketing, PR,31800:20:44,370 --> 00:20:47,460whatever you want to call us. Ifthere was a website that was say31900:20:47,520 --> 00:20:53,100that catered to developers, andand podcasters, who wanted to32000:20:53,100 --> 00:20:57,780find out about each individualfeature, you could have a site32100:20:58,080 --> 00:21:04,050that did that, in which it hassome graphics, a clear plain32200:21:04,050 --> 00:21:07,350English explanation, links tothe developer resources for how32300:21:07,350 --> 00:21:11,250to build it, some example code,sure, and then, and then some32400:21:11,250 --> 00:21:14,790screenshots and like that wouldbe one page, one page for each32500:21:14,790 --> 00:21:20,400tag. Sure. That that's, thenthat's do and then you can link32600:21:20,400 --> 00:21:25,560it in, you can get fancy in andput some sort of get, we put32700:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,050some sort of GitHub action onthere. When we finalize the tag,32800:21:28,050 --> 00:21:31,260it automatically generates astatic HTML out of it or32900:21:31,260 --> 00:21:35,190something like that. You knockyourself out. It's all there.33000:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,820And so the second part of what Iwas going to say to bring this33100:21:38,820 --> 00:21:44,100full circle the hostingcompanies they are first contact33200:21:44,130 --> 00:21:48,720they are they the front officefor podcasters. And forget about33300:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,740what we're doing. You know,forget about Casta pod people33400:21:52,740 --> 00:21:56,970forget about sovereign feedpeople like myself, hosting33500:21:56,970 --> 00:22:01,770companies, they have hundreds of1000s of customers. And we're33600:22:01,770 --> 00:22:07,020gonna build a website somewhereover here. Yeah. Yeah. Well,33700:22:07,020 --> 00:22:09,510which by the way, is okaybecause maybe they'll point to33800:22:09,510 --> 00:22:12,000it, maybe there's some somegreat resources that are they33900:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,720can use and they can lift andthey can transmogrify, but I34000:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,210know Buzzsprout speaksdifferently to their, to their34100:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,350clients, then blueberry, theyjust speak different languages.34200:22:22,650 --> 00:22:28,200So those are the guys that theyare the educators. They are. I34300:22:28,200 --> 00:22:34,650was listening to pod land, andEVO taro was co hosting. And he34400:22:34,650 --> 00:22:39,180said, you know, he's really intovalue for value stuff. He loves34500:22:39,180 --> 00:22:43,620it. And he says, You know, I wasI use fountain now exclusively,34600:22:43,620 --> 00:22:46,980and I was listening to all thesefiction podcasts. And I34700:22:46,980 --> 00:22:50,820realized, it was so horriblethat none of my favorite fiction34800:22:50,820 --> 00:22:54,810podcasts were value for valueenabled, and I was so bummed34900:22:54,810 --> 00:23:02,310out. And so I'm boosting thisshow, saying, Hi. Please contact35000:23:02,310 --> 00:23:08,730the podcast host, and alert themto this wonderful thing. And you35100:23:08,730 --> 00:23:13,680can say podcaster wallet.com.You can say fountain.fm. You35200:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,960know, you can point to differenthosting companies. You know,35300:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,310obviously, we know that rss.comnow has it integrated, and35400:23:23,310 --> 00:23:28,500others. This is this is how itworks. And we all have that35500:23:28,500 --> 00:23:31,590responsibility. And that needsto be on someone's website where35600:23:31,590 --> 00:23:34,380they explain what we're doing islike, how does how does it work?35700:23:34,380 --> 00:23:36,840Well, you know, if you hearsomeone who doesn't have it, and35800:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,920you listen to a podcast, tellthem send them here. So, just so35900:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,180everyone knows, I'm way okaywith it. You know, don't sit36000:23:45,180 --> 00:23:48,660around waiting for Dave and Adamto do anything because, and we36100:23:48,690 --> 00:23:51,660do everything by the seat of ourpants. We have no fucking plan.36200:23:51,690 --> 00:23:56,160No, none. We've never had one.If not, our plan is 30 days out,36300:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,410you know, that's it? Do we haveenough money for 30 days? Okay.36400:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,090So that's, that's our plan. Andwe're not planning any36500:24:03,090 --> 00:24:06,810marketing, we're not planningany of it, it doesn't make sense36600:24:06,810 --> 00:24:10,320for us to be doing it. Nor doesit make sense for it to be at36700:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,030this place. Well, as a pointer,of course, but you know,36800:24:15,060 --> 00:24:18,000everyone needs to point toeverything, since we have so36900:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,100many talented people who canhopefully everyone can get over37000:24:23,100 --> 00:24:26,340the hump of, you know, theredoesn't have to be one official37100:24:27,750 --> 00:24:31,170version of this, you know, I canalready see how Daniel's is37200:24:31,170 --> 00:24:35,790gonna be different from Jamesand I can see how this will be37300:24:35,790 --> 00:24:39,090different. I can see how whatyou just described maybe Alex37400:24:39,090 --> 00:24:42,060gates gives a shot at that, youknow, or someone who's just37500:24:42,060 --> 00:24:44,640listening who wants tocontribute and help out being37600:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,540these are all great things thatwe can do. And if we can get37700:24:48,540 --> 00:24:51,960over the it has to be oneofficial thing, which doesn't as37800:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,000far as I'm concerned, then we'regood to go.37900:24:55,350 --> 00:24:57,960That's part of value for valueis that it doesn't have to be38000:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,330one is so none None of this isnone of this is licensed. We38100:25:03,330 --> 00:25:07,500don't you know, we don't own No,we haven't trademarked any of38200:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,530this stuff is like just taketake all the podcasts and 2.038300:25:10,530 --> 00:25:15,000graphics and pocket that he'lltake our podcasts index. And all38400:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,230that nature. I just do38500:25:17,730 --> 00:25:23,250the whole thing off our handsplease set it up somewhere else38600:25:23,250 --> 00:25:24,510run it on your metal.38700:25:24,930 --> 00:25:28,800Yeah. Hey, where yourself youknow knock stuff out. That's38800:25:28,830 --> 00:25:32,820it's all great with us that no,James, on the last episode38900:25:32,850 --> 00:25:36,300episode of Caitlyn said that wewere said that you and our39000:25:36,300 --> 00:25:37,050teenagers?39100:25:37,050 --> 00:25:39,660Yes, I heard that. Yeah. Hello.Hello.39200:25:41,010 --> 00:25:46,320Now this is a new revelation.Wow. Okay,39300:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,730I know it's like, Oh, gee.39400:25:48,300 --> 00:25:52,350Yeah, my, my wife could havetold you that years ago. No, no,39500:25:52,350 --> 00:25:56,760it's 100%. Right. That means theexcellently named pimp podcast39600:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,990and yeah, is, is only that'sonly one component of the39700:26:00,990 --> 00:26:04,500teenager pneus of this entireendeavor. The other component is39800:26:04,620 --> 00:26:06,390we don't make any plans yet.39900:26:06,930 --> 00:26:10,770And because we don't make plans,and because you know, we're just40000:26:10,770 --> 00:26:15,000doing this cuz it's good is theright thing to do. Well, let us40100:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,610have some fun. joke around alittle bit. Yeah, Dad. Come on,40200:26:20,610 --> 00:26:23,430man. I'm trying to be realprofessional.40300:26:25,350 --> 00:26:32,850So I would like to talk for amoment. Yes. About Satoshi dice40400:26:32,850 --> 00:26:38,010dream. Oh, okay. Can see becausethis fits in with just go do40500:26:38,010 --> 00:26:42,330some stuff. Okay. Satoshi.Satoshi dice. Yeah, I love that.40600:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,120Nobody knows who this person is.They don't know if they don't40700:26:45,120 --> 00:26:50,310know the, the gender of thisperson. It's this person is just40800:26:50,310 --> 00:26:52,260known as Satoshi dice tray. Yes.40900:26:52,260 --> 00:26:54,660I'm not even sure that thisperson likes us really.41000:26:56,310 --> 00:26:58,530I'm inclined to think that theydo not but it's a41100:26:58,530 --> 00:27:00,000Dutch person. I'm pretty sure41200:27:01,140 --> 00:27:07,590is it easy to Okay. I feel likeit's hard to determine whether41300:27:07,590 --> 00:27:10,440or not Dutch people like youfrom their tone of voice in41400:27:10,440 --> 00:27:10,950English41500:27:10,980 --> 00:27:13,890or RX they come across as veryharsh.41600:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,590What what is that is that?41700:27:18,870 --> 00:27:22,050Well, first of all, they liveunderwater practically so41800:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,290they're stressed. Okay. Thatmakes a lot of sense. You know,41900:27:25,290 --> 00:27:27,990they're farmers are theirfarmers are blocking the42000:27:27,990 --> 00:27:31,860roadways. So they throw in turdson the capital. Yeah, it's a42100:27:31,860 --> 00:27:35,250country you know, they are thenarco capital of the European42200:27:35,250 --> 00:27:39,060Union. So I don't know there's alot of things but it's it really42300:27:39,060 --> 00:27:43,320is just the way they speakEnglish and just comes up to42400:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,130Carl he just comes across justcomes across his very harsh42500:27:48,510 --> 00:27:52,170they have definite like likedownstrokes on the ending of the42600:27:52,170 --> 00:27:54,780things they say is that is thatthe language has42700:27:54,780 --> 00:28:00,480something to do with thereversal of words and when so I42800:28:00,480 --> 00:28:08,850have I have been to mygrandmother's I can't even do it42900:28:08,850 --> 00:28:11,820right but everything isbackwards so somehow on the43000:28:11,820 --> 00:28:14,460unscramble it and put it in theright order it just comes across43100:28:14,460 --> 00:28:18,180as harsh okay, but they're notbecause the Dutch are fantastic43200:28:18,180 --> 00:28:21,180people that very very lovingwhen you break through the what43300:28:21,180 --> 00:28:25,740you think is a harsh shell, butthey're pretty cool. So, but not43400:28:25,740 --> 00:28:28,620this guy, whoever this personis, this person is just a jerk43500:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,310sometimes.43600:28:29,730 --> 00:28:35,490Yeah. Absolute douche Satoshisdot stream. He emailed me said,43700:28:35,850 --> 00:28:40,710feel free to share this inpodcasting. tupuna Oh, okay. So43800:28:40,710 --> 00:28:44,190he said you finally have sometime to wait, constitution,43900:28:44,190 --> 00:28:45,150industrial comics,44000:28:45,180 --> 00:28:47,100comics are bloggers actually,Satoshi.44100:28:49,140 --> 00:28:51,900Now that would be a heck of areveal. Right? Wouldn't44200:28:51,900 --> 00:28:53,490that be an eye opener? Yeah.44300:28:55,410 --> 00:28:57,900Finally says finally have sometime to work on Satoshi stream.44400:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,600Again, don't expect too much toosoon. But I'm working on a web44500:29:00,630 --> 00:29:04,950version. Oh, it also supportsmultiple nodes on our side for44600:29:04,950 --> 00:29:07,980load balancing. So I said ourOkay, so there's more than one44700:29:07,980 --> 00:29:13,050person involved? He says and itmeans we do not need telegram44800:29:13,050 --> 00:29:14,430anymore to manage podcasts.44900:29:14,430 --> 00:29:18,990Thank goodness. Yeah, that wasthe one downside to do not like45000:29:18,990 --> 00:29:20,820using telegram. Yeah.45100:29:21,270 --> 00:29:23,460And he says working on some backend things. Now the endpoints45200:29:23,460 --> 00:29:26,280seems to work and he gave someother stuff. So anyway, that's,45300:29:26,310 --> 00:29:31,470that's cool. Very cool. So we'llhave another easier option45400:29:31,470 --> 00:29:35,220because I've always felt Ialways felt weird about telling45500:29:35,220 --> 00:29:39,330people to go to telegram becauseit seems so scammy Yeah,45600:29:39,330 --> 00:29:41,970telegram is where all the NFTcrap happens and people get45700:29:41,970 --> 00:29:42,750their money. So and45800:29:42,750 --> 00:29:48,240I'm always getting chicks. DMingme? Yeah, German chicks. And of45900:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,810course, it's all the same Indiandude, or the guy from Nairobi or46000:29:51,810 --> 00:29:57,090whatever. Nigeria Nigeria.Report. Yes, yes, Ty it's46100:29:57,090 --> 00:30:01,200annoying. It's tiring. That'svery cool. I presume this is46200:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,240part of what Alby is kicked off,you know, I'll be somehow they46300:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,610did something just a littledifferent than I think it's46400:30:08,610 --> 00:30:11,550great. They picked up to ElonURL protocol and really ran with46500:30:11,550 --> 00:30:14,580it. Because that's like Elonbits. That was one of the things46600:30:14,580 --> 00:30:16,770we looked at in the verybeginning. It's like, holy shit,46700:30:16,770 --> 00:30:18,840there's a lot you can do theselittle apps, you can build46800:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,980yourself and set it up with itsown separate little wallet on46900:30:22,980 --> 00:30:24,870your node. You know, I alwaysthought that would be something47000:30:24,870 --> 00:30:29,310that was cool. Yeah, for sure.So now to have Satoshi stream47100:30:29,310 --> 00:30:32,040doing that is very smart ingeneral. I also wanted to say47200:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,990for, for app developers, I thinkwhat, I'm not sure, but I think47300:30:36,990 --> 00:30:40,800what pod verse has now done, inwhich the App Store accepted in47400:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,240testflight, is you hook up yourAlby node after you get the app47500:30:45,240 --> 00:30:45,690right.47600:30:48,210 --> 00:30:51,360Which is what they alwayswanted. That's That's what and47700:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,680that makes so much sense.47800:30:53,310 --> 00:30:56,220Yeah, it does. Because there'sno there's no,47900:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,110there's no no violation possiblefor the AppStore. Exactly. And,48000:31:01,110 --> 00:31:04,560and pod verse doesn't have toworry about ever being, you48100:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,770know, a claim that they aremessing with keys or miss right?48200:31:08,250 --> 00:31:11,940coins or whatever. Yeah, that'sgreat. I did I haven't had a48300:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,920chance to play with it yet.Because it has happened so soon48400:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,370before the show. But have youbeen stuck? Did you install it?48500:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,960No. No, I don't have iOS and,and even then I'll still have to48600:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,010wait. Once it hits the GoogleStore, then I have to wait a48700:31:26,010 --> 00:31:30,150couple of days. And then I canget it through? What's that? The48800:31:30,150 --> 00:31:35,580spoof? This is pretty cool spoofstore for graphene spoof store.48900:31:35,730 --> 00:31:41,730Yeah. So you don't have to haveany of the Google Play services49000:31:41,730 --> 00:31:45,810on your phone. And you use I'msure it's insecure Aurora store.49100:31:46,650 --> 00:31:52,560And so Aurora store masks itselfas a valid user. And then you49200:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,220can you can download the appsthat are in play store. That's49300:31:56,220 --> 00:31:57,180pretty cool. Actually,49400:31:57,210 --> 00:31:58,260that's interesting.49500:31:58,290 --> 00:32:01,950I hope it's, it's, it'sreasonably secure. I don't know.49600:32:01,950 --> 00:32:05,070I mean, you still don't knowwhat an apple do. What an app49700:32:05,070 --> 00:32:08,520mean, and of course, you know,stuff like backup to Google49800:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,040Drive. And that's, that doesn'twork. But generally, the apps49900:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,460will run50000:32:14,789 --> 00:32:17,249chance that you log into Albion,the pod verse app, and then it50100:32:17,249 --> 00:32:23,129acts just like another plug intothat. Oh, yeah, that's like,50200:32:23,579 --> 00:32:25,349there was something back on thetest flight, I don't think I'm50300:32:25,349 --> 00:32:25,769only reading50400:32:25,770 --> 00:32:29,160something else. I also wanted tomention, I finally read through50500:32:29,160 --> 00:32:36,180the Tarot white paper. This is alightning labs thing that they50600:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,890that they announced they got the$75 million investment and part50700:32:40,890 --> 00:32:44,340of what they were doing withthat money is Taro, which is a50800:32:44,340 --> 00:32:50,040new protocol for multi assetBitcoin and lightning. And was50900:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,890very interesting about this.And, and at first, I was like,51000:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,470Oh, I don't know if I like this,I'm not quite sure. But then,51100:32:55,740 --> 00:32:59,100when I really dug into it, it'squite interesting, the way51200:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,070they've done this, and I'm stillnot, I'm still unsure of the51300:33:02,070 --> 00:33:05,430legality, because it's kind ofwhat Brian of London has done51400:33:05,430 --> 00:33:11,250with hive. So over the LightningNetwork, you could pay a hive51500:33:11,250 --> 00:33:16,500node in hive, and say, Alright,I want this to go to Dave in51600:33:16,500 --> 00:33:23,010hive. And it'll go through thisexchanger node, which will turn51700:33:23,010 --> 00:33:26,160it into Lightning Lightning thenfinds the route to another51800:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,910exchanger node on the other endfor you to receive I wonder if51900:33:29,910 --> 00:33:33,540it could be the same one. Andand then of course, the52000:33:33,540 --> 00:33:38,400settlement ultimately takesplace over on chain wants the52100:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,450channels close, etc. Butlikewise, you could send $10 In52200:33:42,450 --> 00:33:48,990hive and it goes straight into aUS dollar wallet on the other52300:33:48,990 --> 00:33:54,150end $10 or with whatever minimallightning fee and so the more I52400:33:54,150 --> 00:33:58,740thought about it, the more I'mlike oh, you know, that may not52500:33:58,740 --> 00:34:02,340be bad for us. If people canliterally just hook it up to52600:34:02,340 --> 00:34:07,020their bank account or you know,some other type of Fiat account.52700:34:08,850 --> 00:34:12,450I'm good. So my understanding ofit was that you can use it52800:34:12,450 --> 00:34:16,890allows you to use Bitcoin not totear Taro is something that is52900:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,600part of the Bitcoin Core, right?53000:34:21,330 --> 00:34:24,660Or is it? Oh, no, no, I thinkit's just something that's a53100:34:24,660 --> 00:34:25,770part of l&d.53200:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,460Because the reason I say that isbecause they tap tap53300:34:29,460 --> 00:34:31,050root enabled Taro.53400:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,740Oh, okay. That's what Yeah,okay. Yeah. Yeah, taproot gives53500:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,720you the functionality, butthere's a core there's a bitcoin53600:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,890core component to the allowingthe scripting to do the taro.53700:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,200Yeah. So that my understandingis the way I saw it described53800:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,920was that you could say you couldhave like, I don't know, let's53900:34:49,920 --> 00:34:57,690say 20 bucks and USD C. And thenyou could transfer that over a54000:34:57,690 --> 00:35:00,150lightning channel and it wouldcome out at the other end. and54100:35:00,150 --> 00:35:01,530still being USDC.54200:35:01,590 --> 00:35:05,070Yeah, but basically, you couldpunch anything in on one end,54300:35:05,070 --> 00:35:06,450and it'll come out the otherend.54400:35:07,350 --> 00:35:10,110The middle, the transportmechanism is lightning is54500:35:10,110 --> 00:35:14,220lightning. Exactly. Exactly.Which, of course, ultimately is54600:35:14,550 --> 00:35:18,930on chain settlement. And so theidea is the way I see it is, you54700:35:18,930 --> 00:35:22,890know, and it's kind of relevantwith Swift, the SWIFT network54800:35:22,890 --> 00:35:25,980swift payment network beingdismantled, and you know,54900:35:25,980 --> 00:35:29,760kicking people off Oh, yeah. Sonow you have a way? Well, you55000:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,740could, you could literally, ifif the network has a ruble node55100:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,410in there, you could send usdollars, it will go into the55200:35:40,410 --> 00:35:44,970into the lightning node thatwill poop it out into Moscow55300:35:45,030 --> 00:35:50,190into Putin's lap in rubles, sothat he can turn the turn the55400:35:50,190 --> 00:35:50,940gas back on.55500:35:53,190 --> 00:36:00,240Hey, give me a Putin man. Soyeah, well, you. I guess the55600:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,970advantage of that, if Iunderstand correctly, is that55700:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,490you're not, there's no fees?55800:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,130Well, I'll read from theannouncement. Today, we're55900:36:08,130 --> 00:36:12,090excited to announce Taro, a newChapron powered protocol for56000:36:12,090 --> 00:36:14,910issuing assets on the BitcoinBlockchain that can be56100:36:14,910 --> 00:36:17,970transferred over the LightningNetwork for instant high volume56200:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,500low fee transactions. That's myRyan Gentry voice.56300:36:23,250 --> 00:36:30,600Oh, yeah. You said just like,wow. It's my breath away. Okay,56400:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,940yeah. So that means you can usethe, the bit you can get the56500:36:35,940 --> 00:36:41,910benefits of the low fee.Transaction. Yeah. But without56600:36:41,910 --> 00:36:46,440and so you're not paying fees inthe currency of the thing it is.56700:36:47,430 --> 00:36:48,510Supposedly,56800:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,410well, it'll, I mean, here's,here's the flaw that I see. And56900:36:52,410 --> 00:36:55,320maybe it isn't flaw. So you'regonna have to have these57000:36:55,590 --> 00:37:01,620translator nodes. Right? Thatthat says, Okay, this is this,57100:37:01,650 --> 00:37:07,350you know, I'm receiving USDC orL USD, and whatever. That's,57200:37:07,350 --> 00:37:10,320that's what what is that? Oh,that's lightning US dollars. I'm57300:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,850sure they're gonna have a stablecoin. Well, until they're CDB57400:37:14,850 --> 00:37:18,000sees you're gonna have to workwith stable coins and stable57500:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,670coins, that that's not going tobe a problem. Those will be57600:37:20,670 --> 00:37:22,620regulated. I are going57700:37:22,620 --> 00:37:24,660to be regulated by the EU thinkthey'll be regulated by the57800:37:24,660 --> 00:37:31,020CFTC. Or by the SEC. The SEC.Okay, because that's because57900:37:31,020 --> 00:37:34,590it's protect like, technicallyan equity. I believe so. Yeah.58000:37:34,650 --> 00:37:38,280It's a financial instrument.Yeah. Yeah. Okay.58100:37:39,570 --> 00:37:42,960And there's lots of peggedcurrencies and stuff. So I think58200:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,230that'll that'll be okay. So onceyou have that, but you also need58300:37:46,260 --> 00:37:52,080a you know, a remedy B and A onedigital token they may exist I58400:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,880don't know enough about them.The bottom line is the system58500:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,420that we have in place now andand I love the romance of58600:38:00,420 --> 00:38:05,310Bitcoin and, and I preferBitcoin, most definitely over58700:38:05,310 --> 00:38:12,600any kind of a financialinstrument. But it will, the58800:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,860Lightning Network is going tobecome very easy to integrate58900:38:16,860 --> 00:38:20,850with local currencies. I'm justsaying I think a lot of this59000:38:20,850 --> 00:38:25,020stuff will go through transitionthere'll be a lot of opportunity59100:38:25,020 --> 00:38:28,440for onboarding make it easier Imean, the dollar is not going to59200:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,000go away tomorrow and Bitcoin isthe king okay. Yeah, let's be59300:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,320really clear about that. And youcan still receive your your59400:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,380value for value payments andBitcoin in fact, that's probably59500:38:40,380 --> 00:38:43,890preferable. But if you want youcan you know, you could even59600:38:43,890 --> 00:38:46,680have one split go off and putsome into your bank account.59700:38:47,670 --> 00:38:49,620Yeah, well, the brands alreadydoing that. Like he said, This59800:38:49,620 --> 00:38:52,050is what I'm saying. Yeah, he'salready doing exactly that.59900:38:52,860 --> 00:38:55,710Yeah, he's already gets a crazymed no half machine and I mean,60000:38:55,710 --> 00:38:59,700I expect him to create a one ofthese translators thingamajigger60100:38:59,730 --> 00:39:01,830Yeah, and he'll become amillionaire you watch.60200:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,020He already is we already knowthat.60300:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,600I do have confirmation. Indeed.When we were talking about ROI60400:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,110over there and breeze land wasindeed listening in bed.60500:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,560Did he has his60600:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,000robot he had the robe on thefloppy had the floppy slippers60700:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,210were next to the bed because hewas in his bed. But yes, we do60800:39:24,210 --> 00:39:27,450have a confirmation that heindeed was listening in his bed60900:39:27,810 --> 00:39:29,910with a Huawei shoe sixconfirmations before61000:39:30,660 --> 00:39:31,860silk sheets.61100:39:34,890 --> 00:39:41,760We need to discuss we need todiscuss the Verify tag. Okay,61200:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,940I've been doing a little bit ofthat this week. Well, actually,61300:39:44,940 --> 00:39:48,450you know what, let's talk aboutthe let's talk about the block61400:39:48,450 --> 00:39:51,570tech first. Okay, you want to dosome tag talk?61500:39:51,720 --> 00:39:56,550Yeah, tag talk we need we need ajingle for tag talk. All we have61600:39:56,550 --> 00:39:56,850is61700:39:57,270 --> 00:40:03,360this. And now it's time firsttime My hot namespace talk. I61800:40:03,360 --> 00:40:03,930like tag61900:40:03,930 --> 00:40:07,440talk kind of better, though. Tagthat that would lend itself to a62000:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,030quick punchy jingle.62100:40:09,060 --> 00:40:12,960Yes. Tag talk tag talk.Everybody loves tag talk ha.62200:40:15,089 --> 00:40:21,989Maybe not the HA. Like you'reexhausted. I am. Gay the the62300:40:21,989 --> 00:40:25,049block tech. No longer is. Ithink everybody understands the62400:40:25,049 --> 00:40:29,939way this works or at leasthopefully they do. But there was62500:40:29,939 --> 00:40:34,769discussion this week a littlebit of a of a mild in podcast62600:40:34,769 --> 00:40:43,439index dot social terms, a mildkerfuffle. With James and62700:40:43,439 --> 00:40:45,539volunteer, he tends to beinvolved in these.62800:40:47,220 --> 00:40:49,860With that was my punch line. Oh,sorry,62900:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,450about the blog about the blogtag and its applicability to63000:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,700Apple podcasts. Okay, so I'mgoing to, I'm going to first63100:40:59,700 --> 00:41:05,010read from the Apple documentknown as because we all know63200:41:05,010 --> 00:41:11,880hopefully by now that the iTunesnamespace declares a dot a DTD,63300:41:12,060 --> 00:41:16,890that actually is a 404. So ifyou try to go and if you try to63400:41:16,890 --> 00:41:20,610click on or go to the URL wherethe namespace wants you to, it63500:41:20,610 --> 00:41:23,790doesn't exist. It hasn't existedfor many, many, many years,63600:41:23,790 --> 00:41:27,900maybe ever. I'm not sure if it'sever existed. But the second63700:41:27,900 --> 00:41:31,500best thing to a to thatspecification, which is a63800:41:31,740 --> 00:41:35,160document from Apple on Apple'sown website, of which I have63900:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,230made a safe copy. When I Whatwas64000:41:37,230 --> 00:41:40,260the kerfuffle, you've set us upwith all this kerfuffle talk,64100:41:40,260 --> 00:41:43,650but what was the disagreement?Did I'm still you're still set64200:41:43,650 --> 00:41:44,190up. Sorry.64300:41:44,310 --> 00:41:49,110Yeah, this is the longest setup,it'll ever so from this64400:41:49,110 --> 00:41:53,700document, is a podcast is calleda podcasters. Guide to RSS, and64500:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,630this is sort of like, Apple'sway of describing all their tags64600:41:57,630 --> 00:42:01,170and what they do, and why youshould use them and all that,64700:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,660right. So when in under theiTunes blog, it says it's64800:42:06,660 --> 00:42:10,290channel level item. And here'sthe description they give the64900:42:10,290 --> 00:42:16,080podcast show or hide status. Sothat's in their directory, or,65000:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,340or whatever. If you want yourshow removed from the Apple65100:42:20,340 --> 00:42:27,840directory, use this tag. Okay.Next, specifying the iTunes65200:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,740block tag with a yes valueprevents the entire podcast from65300:42:31,740 --> 00:42:38,250appearing in Apple podcasts.specifying any other value,65400:42:38,550 --> 00:42:44,370other than yes has no effect. SoI'm gonna tell you why I'm going65500:42:44,370 --> 00:42:48,030to this sounds like what I'msaying. It sounds like what I'm65600:42:48,030 --> 00:42:52,530saying is, Apple spec says thatthis that the iTunes blog tag65700:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,140only applies to Apple podcasts,which it does. But the I'm not65800:42:58,140 --> 00:43:04,140saying that means that that'sactually the case. The kerfuffle65900:43:04,140 --> 00:43:10,440was that we need the podcastblog tag, because the iTunes66000:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,730blog tag only applies to Apple'sdirectory. Okay. And James said,66100:43:15,150 --> 00:43:19,260No, that's not the case. And Idon't know if he meant that that66200:43:19,260 --> 00:43:22,080was the actual text of the spec,or if he was just referring to66300:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,550the way it's done in practice.This is where and in this is66400:43:26,550 --> 00:43:36,060what I'm trying to get at. Thethe actual spec language itself66500:43:36,060 --> 00:43:42,450says that it only applies toApple podcasts, right. But what66600:43:42,450 --> 00:43:46,710has happened in the last 20years is that ever since there66700:43:46,710 --> 00:43:51,030was no other way to block apodcast? Then everybody said,66800:43:51,030 --> 00:43:55,920okay, the iTunes blog, blog tagis what it actually means where66900:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,350we're all going to treat it asif it means is that we're blocks67000:43:58,350 --> 00:44:02,490everything. Okay, it's a blank,it's a blanket block. So there's67100:44:02,490 --> 00:44:06,600a disconnect between what thespec says and what everybody67200:44:06,930 --> 00:44:11,190does in reality, and we have to,and we have to live in reality,67300:44:11,190 --> 00:44:17,490we can't always live in thespec. So you got to live like, I67400:44:17,490 --> 00:44:21,210think, who was that guy? FrancisSchaeffer said you you got to67500:44:21,210 --> 00:44:27,810live in the world as it is. Sothe world as it is, is that it67600:44:27,810 --> 00:44:31,230blocks everything but that's notthe end of the story. Because67700:44:31,260 --> 00:44:34,140that doesn't mean that we cansay okay, well, that's fine.67800:44:34,140 --> 00:44:39,030That's a solid problem. Becausethe the one scenario that you67900:44:39,030 --> 00:44:44,880cannot do with that with theiTunes blog tag is decide that68000:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,670you only want to blog apple andnobody else.68100:44:48,750 --> 00:44:52,620Right, because the reality ispeople will see that as a full68200:44:52,620 --> 00:44:53,160block.68300:44:53,820 --> 00:45:00,300As a full block. Yes. So youcan't it if I want to buy If I68400:45:00,300 --> 00:45:04,710want to block Apple only andallow it for everybody else,68500:45:05,220 --> 00:45:09,630that will never be doablewithout his blog tag. Because68600:45:09,630 --> 00:45:14,850that because then you get backinto now. Now the the wording of68700:45:14,850 --> 00:45:20,610the spec matters. Read the youcan't live in the reality over68800:45:20,610 --> 00:45:24,030here because Apple will neverhonor that will never honor that68900:45:25,470 --> 00:45:31,260any other way. And so wellexcuse me, nobody else will69000:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,900honor that any other way.Because because that's the way69100:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,980it's written. So anyway, that's,that's what I'm trying to.69200:45:38,430 --> 00:45:42,240That's the reason that sort oflike that little Crux there that69300:45:42,390 --> 00:45:48,480that gotcha is the reason whythere's multiple gotchas, but69400:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,240that's one big one. As to whythe blanket the blanket block69500:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,140tune as written in the marketblock tag as written in iTunes69600:45:58,140 --> 00:46:00,810spec is just not tenable. And weneeded something different.69700:46:00,990 --> 00:46:01,440Yeah,69800:46:01,830 --> 00:46:06,750I understand. So I don't see theissue. Well, I don't see69900:46:06,750 --> 00:46:10,800anything. So there's no issue.No, I just sold it when people70000:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,210were just fighting them tofight.70100:46:12,900 --> 00:46:16,590Yeah, that's what people findmost of the time. Because they70200:46:16,590 --> 00:46:19,830don't have anything else to do.All right. I like to bring it70300:46:19,830 --> 00:46:20,310home.70400:46:20,339 --> 00:46:23,399I like to block tag. We'realready using it.70500:46:24,150 --> 00:46:24,990What are you blocking?70600:46:25,260 --> 00:46:29,220If I am blocking Hold on asecond let me let me double70700:46:29,220 --> 00:46:37,500check in my sovereign feeds. Weare on a second show info block70800:46:38,970 --> 00:46:42,360oh is that only for I think I'monly doing that I know agenda70900:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,910let me see because I have to doit here too then let me see show71000:46:47,910 --> 00:46:48,900info.71100:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,890I think I put it podcast blog noyou okay you say you have no71200:46:52,890 --> 00:46:53,310blog.71300:46:54,030 --> 00:46:59,910Okay no agenda I have Spotifyand Facebook selected71400:47:00,780 --> 00:47:04,800okay cool. All right. Yes,Facebook even do podcasting71500:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,120anymore and I think they've beenI don't71600:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,160know it was a selection in themenu71700:47:10,140 --> 00:47:11,190you're like yes give me some71800:47:11,819 --> 00:47:15,899listen if you if you know themenu this is all sovereign71900:47:15,899 --> 00:47:20,699feeds. Yeah, it's interesting. Ican block I can block Buzzsprout72000:47:20,699 --> 00:47:22,859from importing my feed for somereason72100:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,420Yeah, well I know what he did Iknow what he did he pulled in.72200:47:28,410 --> 00:47:32,160Pulled in the full slug listYes. From the yes yes.72300:47:32,189 --> 00:47:39,599Shout engine slack SoundCloudTwitter booshka YouTubes and can72400:47:39,629 --> 00:47:42,509I can block them all? I don'tknow if it does anything but72500:47:42,509 --> 00:47:48,029it's cool to add people justlike photos of like Hey, I72600:47:48,029 --> 00:47:51,839blocked you bitch hack makes mefeel powerful72700:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,520like teenagers do72800:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,140Yeah, exactly. Exactly. No it'sso I'm so we're proud users of72900:48:01,140 --> 00:48:06,630this. I like and I can't waituntil Spotify sucks in our feed73000:48:06,630 --> 00:48:09,810again I can say excuse me Okay,excuse73100:48:09,810 --> 00:48:12,330me talk to my lawyer I mean myblog tag yeah look73200:48:12,330 --> 00:48:14,310at it look at it people can'tyou read73300:48:15,120 --> 00:48:21,660just cinema screenshot Okay, sothe the the in more tag talk73400:48:21,660 --> 00:48:23,250here the generator tag?73500:48:23,790 --> 00:48:24,780Yes.73600:48:26,850 --> 00:48:31,560I heard Andy's feelings thisweek. Andy. Yeah, Andy layman.73700:48:31,620 --> 00:48:36,960Oh, what did you do? I turnedhis lemon creations generator73800:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,910reference back in overrode itback to WordPress and he and it73900:48:41,910 --> 00:48:45,990hurt his feelings. But so what Idid was don't understand. Yeah,74000:48:45,990 --> 00:48:51,150no, I know that makes no sense.So there's I don't understand74100:48:51,150 --> 00:48:55,290this okay. So somebody didn'tknows about WordPress needs to74200:48:55,290 --> 00:49:01,230tell me what the crap is goingon with these with with the way74300:49:01,230 --> 00:49:07,800WordPress does the generator taglet me pull one up so I can74400:49:09,780 --> 00:49:13,530look inside the generator tag anexisting tag?74500:49:13,860 --> 00:49:16,440Yeah, yeah, it's an art it'smissing the original original74600:49:16,440 --> 00:49:25,020RSS. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna pullup new media show here. And here74700:49:25,020 --> 00:49:29,130we go. I'm gonna pull up theirfeed. And this is this is what I74800:49:29,130 --> 00:49:36,360see in their feed. It has agenerator tag. This is a word74900:49:36,360 --> 00:49:43,980that is just list wordpress.com.And then they also have this75000:49:43,980 --> 00:49:51,600weird like, commented out. It'slike he's got a little like,75100:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,050less than son exclamation pointdash dash. You know that that75200:49:55,050 --> 00:49:59,970HTML comment. Oh, yeah. And it'sgot it's one of the lightest75300:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,250starts with that. And then itsays podcast underscore75400:50:02,250 --> 00:50:08,190generator equals blueberry spacepower press slash the version75500:50:08,190 --> 00:50:12,090number or whatever. And thenclose comment. So it's like it75600:50:12,090 --> 00:50:17,340has. It's a, it's its own. It'sa different generator tag, but75700:50:17,340 --> 00:50:24,420it's commented out. And I don'tunderstand why that happens. But75800:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,140because I can't but butnormally, I can't parse that75900:50:28,140 --> 00:50:34,050because it's a comment. Mill, itdoesn't see it. Okay. Yeah. So76000:50:34,050 --> 00:50:37,410what what I'm trying to do is doproper attribution. I'm trying76100:50:37,410 --> 00:50:41,550to say, Okay, here's how manyfeeds. So this applies to cast76200:50:41,670 --> 00:50:46,800cast O's, and blueberry. Becausethey have these, you know, a76300:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,740vast fleet of these WordPressplug in podcast generators, like76400:50:52,740 --> 00:50:56,160to the to the tune of 10s of1000s of these things. So that's76500:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,030potentially, I mean, I think I'mgonna give blanket numbers, I76600:51:00,030 --> 00:51:02,760think each one of them haveprobably about 30,000 of these.76700:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,680So that's 660 1000 which is notan insignificant number of76800:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,180podcasts being hosted onWordPress with their plugins.76900:51:13,110 --> 00:51:18,600And I want to I want to properlyknow within the index that this77000:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,500podcast is being generated bypower press, not WordPress, I77100:51:22,500 --> 00:51:26,490see yet or seriously simplepodcasting plugin, not77200:51:26,490 --> 00:51:33,390WordPress. So I changed to do aquick like just an int a an77300:51:33,390 --> 00:51:38,010index of you know, if index ofpodcast underscore generator77400:51:38,010 --> 00:51:42,960equal greater than negative oneand I just get pull that string77500:51:42,960 --> 00:51:49,170out before I do the XML parse.Grab that if that and then so77600:51:49,170 --> 00:51:53,820that later, I can override theWordPress thing, the WordPress77700:51:53,820 --> 00:52:00,240generator tag with the propergenerator string. And by doing77800:52:00,240 --> 00:52:06,630that, I Andy, Andy's Lehmanncreations podcast WordPress77900:52:06,630 --> 00:52:10,080plugin it properly says thegenerator tag to Lehmann78000:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,370creations and so I accidentallyand so by doing that I clobbered78100:52:14,370 --> 00:52:14,850him because I78200:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,660finally understand what theproblem sorry.78300:52:20,190 --> 00:52:22,860But see, but I don't understandI need I need a PA. I need a78400:52:22,860 --> 00:52:27,390WordPress guru to explain to mewhy AMD is able to properly set78500:52:27,390 --> 00:52:31,170his generator tag and everybodyelse does this weird thing with78600:52:31,170 --> 00:52:36,000the comment with the comment.What's the point of that? Why78700:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,560can't Why can't they do it theright way?78800:52:39,660 --> 00:52:42,450I know it's people, man. Peopledo annoying shit.78900:52:43,260 --> 00:52:49,680Okay. There's a long way to go.But but I need it. I need this.79000:52:49,710 --> 00:52:51,480I need this. God telling me why79100:52:51,540 --> 00:52:54,600but and just so I understand youneed it because you just need to79200:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,840know what's coming from wherejust for all kinds of other79300:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,320stuff.79400:52:58,740 --> 00:53:02,160I need it. Well, I need to knowthat my code is doing something79500:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,020right. Like is there somethingelse? If there's something I'm79600:53:07,020 --> 00:53:11,160missing here? Then I may be Imay have coded around a problem79700:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,730that doesn't exist. I just needsomebody to explain it to me so79800:53:14,730 --> 00:53:17,130I can understand that what I'mdoing is actually legitimate.79900:53:17,220 --> 00:53:17,700Got it?80000:53:20,100 --> 00:53:22,020I finally upgraded my Umbral80100:53:23,430 --> 00:53:25,230How did you get that to happen?80200:53:25,470 --> 00:53:32,700This sucked this really wowballs so I have two umbrellas80300:53:32,700 --> 00:53:36,570one is running on old on thesurface. That's actually the one80400:53:36,570 --> 00:53:39,150that runs the booster grams. Ihave not attempted an upgrade on80500:53:39,150 --> 00:53:42,690that because that's kind of theproduction machine. You know80600:53:42,690 --> 00:53:45,420when that's offline, the firstthing that happens is I get Chad80700:53:45,450 --> 00:53:49,140F and comic strip bloggertelling me that podcasting sucks80800:53:49,140 --> 00:53:55,860and doesn't work. Actually, Jeffis like the canary in the coal80900:53:55,860 --> 00:54:01,050mine. Hey, you're not acceptingsad sums down rip rip rip. It's81000:54:01,050 --> 00:54:05,610the best alert emoji. Yes, thebest. That's how I know it's81100:54:05,610 --> 00:54:06,960broken is Chad F.81200:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,690That's how I know when pa thingsbroken because Brian tells me81300:54:09,750 --> 00:54:10,260all right.81400:54:11,670 --> 00:54:15,750So I was just trying to get fromOh, from Oh dot four dot 18 I81500:54:15,750 --> 00:54:20,880guess two O dot five dot O,which is a significant kind of81600:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,180half upgrade for them. But it's,you know, this change in the way81700:54:24,180 --> 00:54:27,090to do the app stores. And Iwanted to reinstall IPFS81800:54:27,090 --> 00:54:30,570because, you know, that new appis dependent upon the new81900:54:30,570 --> 00:54:32,640structure. And so there's justone of these things that kept82000:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,480pushing off and this morning wasthe morning and I decided to use82100:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,730the one that is the Bitcoinmachines which we talked about82200:54:38,730 --> 00:54:42,120on the last show, which is youknow, it's the one that comes82300:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,420from the factory. And it's likethe you should not have to open82400:54:45,420 --> 00:54:49,170this up. Well, I did becausewhatever I did, and it's funny82500:54:49,170 --> 00:54:54,630to look at Umbral help websitesand bump into Cridland and you82600:54:54,630 --> 00:54:58,680and all kinds Brian of London,like are we82700:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,890all just stupid is that problemthere is only us82800:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,490clearly the path has been beatenbefore me and like, oh, okay, so82900:55:05,490 --> 00:55:08,100I'm not the only guy who hasn'tbeen able to figure this out. So83000:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,520what I wound up doing is I woundup reflashing, the OS, which is83100:55:11,550 --> 00:55:16,290on, which is pretty easy on theBitcoin machine, the standard83200:55:16,290 --> 00:55:20,130housing and this Raspberry Pi,because it uses the SD card,83300:55:20,130 --> 00:55:23,580which I have to actually useneedle nose pliers to get it83400:55:23,580 --> 00:55:30,150out. Who Oh, because it's well,it's behind the front of the of83500:55:30,150 --> 00:55:33,150the in casing. And so you can'treally get your fingers in83600:55:33,150 --> 00:55:37,590there. And now, of course, thatso I've reflashed it, it comes83700:55:37,590 --> 00:55:40,140back up and says it's beenupdated when it hasn't, we've83800:55:40,140 --> 00:55:44,730all seen this. And then I didupdate again. And then it took83900:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,720and everything worked. Now, Ihave I also turned off my84000:55:48,720 --> 00:55:55,380raspberry my pie hole and Iunhooked tail scale thinking84100:55:55,380 --> 00:55:59,190that might have made adifference. I don't know. The84200:55:59,190 --> 00:56:05,250bummer now is of course this soI've got the the stock OS which84300:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,180which I downloaded from the getUmbral website. But now the84400:56:09,180 --> 00:56:12,480display doesn't work, becausethis is probably some extra84500:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,380stuff that Bitcoin machine guysput in or whatever. Just doesn't84600:56:16,380 --> 00:56:21,180work. So yeah, anyway, it doeswork. And I found a cool app,84700:56:21,180 --> 00:56:25,470which I told you about, which isOak was oak tree, oak node oak84800:56:25,470 --> 00:56:28,920node, the thing you've beenbuilding for months. Yeah, the84900:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,160thing85000:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,680that totally sure lost my cronjob. Yeah, that's85100:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,790the well, if you look at thisthing, it creates cron jobs.85200:56:36,450 --> 00:56:40,110That's all it does. Yes. Thefront end for cron job. You have85300:56:40,110 --> 00:56:45,330an input like 144 If you want itto be a one day interval. Oh,85400:56:45,330 --> 00:56:45,930funny.85500:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,310So this thing creates it callsit creates a cron job that calls85600:56:50,310 --> 00:56:54,210ln CLI to send the payment. Yes,sir. That's exactly what I do.85700:56:54,390 --> 00:56:57,690I know. They put a handsomeinterface on top of it.85800:56:58,950 --> 00:57:02,400Oh, man doesn't have a handsomeinterface. It's just got it.85900:57:03,030 --> 00:57:03,960It's just Nano.86000:57:05,610 --> 00:57:08,250Nano, man vi at86100:57:08,250 --> 00:57:12,660least come on out here with youvia baby No, Max.86200:57:12,660 --> 00:57:14,370Come on. Cord me bitch. Let's go86300:57:19,380 --> 00:57:20,220man Oh,86400:57:21,030 --> 00:57:25,410I can't believe you day. Youwent through all that and then86500:57:25,410 --> 00:57:26,400broke the screen.86600:57:27,150 --> 00:57:30,060Yeah, that's disappointing. Itreally well. I'm going to reboot86700:57:30,060 --> 00:57:33,420it and then see if by magic thatcomes but I ran out of time for86800:57:33,420 --> 00:57:35,910like, okay, it's working atleast it for now. It's working.86900:57:35,910 --> 00:57:39,510And yeah, beautifully broughtout sync the chain, got my87000:57:39,510 --> 00:57:42,900channels back. So all of thatstuff. That was quite amazing.87100:57:42,900 --> 00:57:45,990And it is very pretty. The newversion is beautiful.87200:57:46,260 --> 00:57:50,070Oh, it's dynamite. It'sdynamite. I don't I'm still on87300:57:50,070 --> 00:57:53,5204.18 Because I don't know what Ihonestly don't know what to do87400:57:53,550 --> 00:57:56,100to get because I don't. Theproblem is you people can87500:57:56,100 --> 00:57:57,690flatter SD cards and87600:57:57,690 --> 00:58:00,540still see that's the next that'sthe next machine I have to do. I87700:58:00,540 --> 00:58:03,150don't have an SD card. So I'mnot sure what to do on that one.87800:58:03,720 --> 00:58:10,080It's all is on that one is yourI think it's like my problem is87900:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,880that my partition that holds theblockchain chain files to the88000:58:14,880 --> 00:58:20,340400 gigabytes of Bitcoinblockchain is the same partition88100:58:20,340 --> 00:58:23,400the same volume that holdslightning the hole excuse me,88200:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,840the holes the Umbral route. Oh,88300:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,900I bet I did exactly the same.88400:58:28,649 --> 00:58:33,539And so if you if that's thecase, then when it makes that88500:58:33,569 --> 00:58:35,939the backup of the onboarddirectory is going to be backing88600:58:35,939 --> 00:58:39,839up your whole blockchain justlike it did with me and you're88700:58:39,839 --> 00:58:40,829gonna run out of space.88800:58:42,870 --> 00:58:44,730Man, I feel88900:58:44,730 --> 00:58:48,300like what I'm gonna have to dois shut every like, click. I89000:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,840feel like this is the scenario.Turn off all stop all the Docker89100:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,940services. Yeah. Move theblockchain move the blockchain89200:58:56,970 --> 00:58:58,200files over.89300:58:59,070 --> 00:59:00,630This is what you did last time.89400:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,610No, no, but I'm going to No, no.89500:59:03,750 --> 00:59:05,280This is a great experiment.89600:59:05,610 --> 00:59:08,370No, this is a tear. No, no, I'mnot doing it the same way I did89700:59:08,370 --> 00:59:10,680last time. That was that wasjanked up and that was horrible.89800:59:10,740 --> 00:59:16,080Okay. nesbit's would be muchbetter. Create, put in a set a89900:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,640second drive by one terabytedrive. Move the blockchain files90000:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,770over to it manually, right.Didn't mount it as a separate90100:59:25,770 --> 00:59:31,320volume. And then and then try itagain. A shadow? No, I don't90200:59:31,320 --> 00:59:31,890understand how90300:59:32,430 --> 00:59:36,210that sounds. It's really toobad. I mean, because this a lot90400:59:36,210 --> 00:59:40,080of the early adopters who arejust like me adopters, not not90500:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,500super smart. Did a lot of thisstuff. You know, this is my90600:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,060first experience with Docker and90700:59:48,150 --> 00:59:52,350speaking of speaking of Docker,it's it's fantastic when it90800:59:52,350 --> 00:59:56,010comes to pod paying it has. Ithas made me a firm believer in90900:59:56,010 --> 00:59:59,460that for sure. Oh, really? Yeah,we did. We just did an upgrade91000:59:59,880 --> 01:00:04,200and I'm Alex bouschet, I'm aversion 1.25. I think we have91101:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,870the memory, the memory leakproblem licked. So the issue91201:00:09,870 --> 01:00:18,600there, as we, as we understandit currently, is that the, it's91301:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,990not that it wasn't a memoryleak, it wasn't actually a91401:00:21,990 --> 01:00:27,570memory leak. So, you know, theway the the way that the OS91501:00:27,570 --> 01:00:33,870memory manager tends to work is,you know, if you if you attempt91601:00:33,870 --> 01:00:36,150is your if your softwareattempts to allocate some memory91701:00:37,980 --> 01:00:42,000malloc, or whatever process isusing, if it asks for memory,91801:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,230the OS will give it some, andthen the software can say, Okay,91901:00:46,230 --> 01:00:49,800I'm done with this memory, I'mgonna free it. And it can give92001:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,620it back. Well, there's variousflags that you can set when you92101:00:52,620 --> 01:00:57,240give it back. And one of thoseflags in this case, I think it's92201:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,410like mad V underscore free orsomething like that. It will,92301:01:01,410 --> 01:01:04,710the effect it has is it says,Okay, I'm done with this memory,92401:01:05,070 --> 01:01:11,670the operating system can have itback. But for some reason, no.92501:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,930But I don't necessarily, I mayneed it again, or something,92601:01:15,930 --> 01:01:21,000something along those terms.Well, this certain flag when it92701:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,780sees that the operating systemsays, Okay, I see that I can use92801:01:24,780 --> 01:01:27,420this memory again, but I'm notgoing to necessarily reclaim it92901:01:27,420 --> 01:01:30,870right now. I'm just going toleave it out there. And with the93001:01:30,870 --> 01:01:33,570idea that if you if the systemever comes under memory93101:01:33,570 --> 01:01:37,500pressure, then it will go getthat stuff. It's like, okay, I93201:01:37,500 --> 01:01:39,930know, I've got a bunch of memoryover here I can use but I'm not93301:01:39,930 --> 01:01:42,930going to bother with right now.And it's like, oh, I'm running93401:01:42,930 --> 01:01:45,630low on memory, I'll go get that.I'll go get that. Right.93501:01:46,410 --> 01:01:51,630Evidently, the containers, theDocker containers, somehow93601:01:51,660 --> 01:01:56,880obscure that process or makethat process unreliable, so that93701:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,990the freed memory doesn'tnecessarily get reclaimed93801:02:00,990 --> 01:02:05,700properly, even under memorypressure. Okay. And so what what93901:02:05,700 --> 01:02:09,570he did was he switched it, heswitched the Docker container to94001:02:09,570 --> 01:02:12,690use a different Pythoninterpreter. And we think that94101:02:12,690 --> 01:02:14,610that's all the problem. Likeit's been running for a long94201:02:14,610 --> 01:02:17,730time. Now, what was happening islike, within a few hours, it94301:02:17,730 --> 01:02:21,420would be up like almost run outof memory. And now it looks like94401:02:21,420 --> 01:02:24,510the memory is just kind of rocksolid at around. 300 300. Meg's.94501:02:25,470 --> 01:02:29,220Anyway, that's, I think, sh andupgrading with the Docker was94601:02:29,220 --> 01:02:34,050like, I mean, it took like fiveseconds. It was awesome. Yes,94701:02:34,050 --> 01:02:35,490I'm a believer on that now.94801:02:36,930 --> 01:02:40,860Yeah, I'm looking at my disk Ihave about I'm using about 60%94901:02:40,860 --> 01:02:43,110of that one terabyte so I'm notgonna be able to do it.95001:02:44,340 --> 01:02:46,890Yeah, we got to figure out aproper solution to this problem.95101:02:47,100 --> 01:02:50,430Because yeah, I literally can'tupgrade and if I can't upgrade,95201:02:50,430 --> 01:02:52,920I can't develop Ella Patanymore. Right? Umbral,95301:02:52,950 --> 01:02:55,920right? Right? Right? Yeah, theydon't they don't seem to have95401:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,770they don't seem to have a goodfix for for the non standard95501:02:58,770 --> 01:03:03,540install. Okay, just reinstall itover it. Was that fucked95601:03:03,540 --> 01:03:04,140everything up?95701:03:05,370 --> 01:03:08,580I think that's part of what Idid last time it went went95801:03:08,640 --> 01:03:09,330berserk.95901:03:11,310 --> 01:03:14,460Quickly, Dame Jennifer will beon in the board meeting in the96001:03:14,460 --> 01:03:16,170next two weeks, I guess.96101:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,680Oh, yes. Next week. So next weekis next96201:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,770week. Yeah. Damn, Jennifer hasraised her hand to coordinate96301:03:22,770 --> 01:03:25,650the hackathon. And her firstquestion was what's a hackathon?96401:03:28,140 --> 01:03:30,750That's exactly who you wantrunning your hackathon. Yes.96501:03:30,780 --> 01:03:36,570Perfect. It should be perfect.Yeah. We'll get some it'll be96601:03:36,570 --> 01:03:41,190fun to have her on. Here we needto we use she's a user she's a96701:03:41,190 --> 01:03:44,970user she a user of this stuff.What I mean by that is of course96801:03:44,970 --> 01:03:50,220she creates animated no agenda.So she's deep into bitcoin96901:03:50,250 --> 01:03:52,800understands all this stuff.She'll she'll say she doesn't97001:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,430but she does.97101:03:54,120 --> 01:03:59,760She does. Yeah. What's what's?What's her? What's her day job?97201:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,640Marketing? Like promotion?97301:04:03,300 --> 01:04:08,610You know, I'm not sure she. Iknow she. I'm not sure right97401:04:08,610 --> 01:04:08,880now.97501:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,640I guess that's what we thinkshe's I think she's97601:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,550independently wealthy. She'sprobably like a vie Countess or97701:04:14,550 --> 01:04:15,120something.97801:04:15,540 --> 01:04:16,620Like this.97901:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,190She's she's got like old Britishmoney.98001:04:21,420 --> 01:04:24,030Okay. Does she have goats andchickens in her castle?98101:04:24,060 --> 01:04:27,510No, I don't know. I don't. Idon't think she does. She lives98201:04:27,510 --> 01:04:30,150kind of on the Qt on the DL. Youknow, it's like, don't want98301:04:30,150 --> 01:04:31,290anyone though. Yeah.98401:04:31,530 --> 01:04:34,320She hasn't. He has an island inthe right off the Charleston98501:04:34,320 --> 01:04:34,800coast. I98601:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,840sure hope so. You have guestrooms. Just the next question.98701:04:40,800 --> 01:04:49,350Rooms actually. Did we talkabout trending last time? Yeah.98801:04:49,770 --> 01:04:54,630About trending podcasts. Youknow, there's there's always,98901:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,650you know, we have the mostrecent what endpoint do we have99001:04:58,650 --> 01:05:03,420on the API which tells you whatit's like our trending API99101:05:03,420 --> 01:05:04,260endpoint or I99201:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,990think that's what it's called. Ithink it's just rendering.99301:05:07,350 --> 01:05:11,370Yeah. So it always tickles me tosee people say, Well, you know,99401:05:11,370 --> 01:05:14,970it's a very black box over therepodcast index, that training99501:05:14,970 --> 01:05:18,180thing. We don't know how thatworks. And we don't like boss.99601:05:18,300 --> 01:05:21,870Yeah. And the reason why isbecause these all of these99701:05:21,900 --> 01:05:26,760Rancors, which I'd never heardbefore, is that a British99801:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,710version of rank a ranking?99901:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,350Whenever I hear that, hear it inmy head spelled SEO or100001:05:34,410 --> 01:05:40,350Oh, yeah. rank or exactly. Soit's a rancor, which are100101:05:40,350 --> 01:05:43,470completely meaningless. Becauseeverything's game a bowl. And100201:05:43,470 --> 01:05:46,680everyone's known this for solong. And this, everyone's using100301:05:46,950 --> 01:05:51,000weird data, like number ofsubscribes versus unsubscribes?100401:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,520And, you know, maybe some peoplesome download that, I don't100501:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,960know. But why don't we just doit by, you know, and we can only100601:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,080do it for value for value, butwe could have an interesting100701:06:01,110 --> 01:06:07,230overview of people who havereceived the most streaming100801:06:07,230 --> 01:06:11,190transactions, not the amount,but the number of transactions.100901:06:12,900 --> 01:06:16,440And since we receive 1%, weshould be able to track that.101001:06:17,700 --> 01:06:21,690Was that a data exercise thatputs the fear of God into you?101101:06:23,400 --> 01:06:30,660It doesn't make me afraid. Butthey are in different places.101201:06:31,740 --> 01:06:39,840The the 1% data is in the node,right? Not in the index101301:06:39,840 --> 01:06:45,420database. Correct. But it can bepulled, yes. Okay, so101401:06:45,630 --> 01:06:48,990and the reason why is becausethen you can see who has people101501:06:48,990 --> 01:06:54,150listen to them, actuallylistening. This will be a great,101601:06:54,180 --> 01:06:57,240this will be a great stat tohave. And you can say, you know,101701:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,460here's we can just do minuteslistened.101801:07:01,020 --> 01:07:03,900I had a really greatconversation this week with101901:07:04,950 --> 01:07:10,620Alberto from lorises.com, wewere talking about stats, we had102001:07:10,620 --> 01:07:14,760a phone call. And he was justbringing helping me brainstorm102101:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,140some better ways to do thestats. So this is actually102201:07:19,140 --> 01:07:23,970really, really timely, becauseI'm going I want to get rid of102301:07:23,970 --> 01:07:27,720that stats page, on the thingthat on the website on the102401:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,080muddiest index side, this showslike, post submitted fees, a102501:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,380number of them and all of thishorrible, horrible needs to go.102601:07:34,380 --> 01:07:37,080It's just it's a piece ofgarbage and needs to go away.102701:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,180I wouldn't mind right therehaving a number of minutes.102801:07:42,180 --> 01:07:43,200Listen today.102901:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,450So that's what I'm thinking ismaybe. So he encouraged he said,103001:07:48,450 --> 01:07:52,920Hey, here's what he says, here'swhat I suggest. I suggest that103101:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,190you There's already people doingstats, people like John Spurlock103201:07:56,940 --> 01:08:01,110and, and Daniel J. Lewis has apodcast industry and size as103301:08:01,290 --> 01:08:05,040other people out there doingstaff. You don't necessarily103401:08:05,040 --> 01:08:11,010want to be in the stats game,right? So he suggested to just103501:08:11,970 --> 01:08:17,100do some sort of score. And thescore would be something very103601:08:17,610 --> 01:08:22,830vanilla and understandable. Andso that and then other than103701:08:22,830 --> 01:08:26,490that, we just give give out theraw data, or huh, and then let103801:08:26,490 --> 01:08:30,420people compile it into differentversions of the way they want103901:08:30,420 --> 01:08:36,330to. And one of those one ofthose scores could be number of104001:08:36,330 --> 01:08:38,670first stream Sheriff ministry.104101:08:38,699 --> 01:08:46,679Do you have minute stream numberof I presume, can we see? Can we104201:08:46,679 --> 01:08:50,009see if payments are coming fromthe same sender? Well, I guess104301:08:50,009 --> 01:08:52,109technically, if they have ifthey put an alias in or104401:08:52,109 --> 01:08:55,649something, I guess. It's notvery, it's not machine readable?104501:08:55,649 --> 01:08:58,799Yeah. Not machine readable. Butyou know, for me, it's just I104601:08:58,799 --> 01:09:01,559just like to know how manypeople and of course, it's only104701:09:01,559 --> 01:09:04,499gonna be valued for value. Butyou know, doesn't matter if I104801:09:04,499 --> 01:09:07,679have 10 this week, and I have 20Next week, reasonable assumption104901:09:07,679 --> 01:09:11,129is have gone up. And then thenext thing I'd like to know105001:09:11,129 --> 01:09:15,059maybe this is more a hostingcompany statistic is where105101:09:15,059 --> 01:09:18,059people boost and we I thinkwe've been through this, right,105201:09:18,119 --> 01:09:23,369it almost shows itself what itwants to be no timeline,105301:09:23,369 --> 01:09:28,499its game, even if it's a game ofall. The podcasters getting paid105401:09:28,499 --> 01:09:29,189to be gamed,105501:09:30,510 --> 01:09:33,930oh, horrible. What a bad thing.But I mean, but you know, just105601:09:33,990 --> 01:09:36,810I'd love to start messing aroundwith it. See what comes out of105701:09:36,810 --> 01:09:39,120there. And might be fun.105801:09:39,629 --> 01:09:46,739So the trending endpoint in APIto decide to dispel the black105901:09:46,739 --> 01:09:55,109box is, is very simple. We justtake it's very crude. We take106001:09:55,109 --> 01:10:02,969the known API keys from appsfrom actual apps, not just106101:10:02,969 --> 01:10:07,439randos, right? So you know,okay, we know pod versus an app106201:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,949podcast Guru is an app, curio,casters, and and blah, blah,106301:10:10,949 --> 01:10:17,669blah, we take those app keys.And we will, at the end of every106401:10:17,669 --> 01:10:22,619day, there's a batch job thatruns through and checks how many106501:10:22,619 --> 01:10:28,859times those known took APItokens, have asked for have106601:10:28,859 --> 01:10:36,659asked for the episode list of apodcast. Meaning, that's how106701:10:36,659 --> 01:10:39,869many times that somebody ontheir app has been interested in106801:10:39,869 --> 01:10:45,749this podcast, okay, enough tocall the API. Okay, and we just106901:10:45,749 --> 01:10:50,429count that number of things upto a certain limit. It's like an107001:10:50,429 --> 01:10:56,039integer, I think it's like threeto 55 or some. There's a roll107101:10:56,039 --> 01:10:59,609count. And then we just sort itin reverse order when we hand it107201:10:59,609 --> 01:11:05,099back. So the trending tag reallyis just interest, just a as the107301:11:05,099 --> 01:11:08,099number of entity as the amountof interest from the abs for a107401:11:08,099 --> 01:11:15,209particular podcast. And it's notit's not I guess you can game it107501:11:15,209 --> 01:11:19,319by getting in there in like,trying to refresh your podcast107601:11:19,319 --> 01:11:22,769or something over and over andover. But yes, it's the most107701:11:24,389 --> 01:11:28,259stable thing that we have,because we don't we don't have107801:11:28,259 --> 01:11:31,979listenings. That's, I mean, wedon't know. So that's like, the107901:11:31,979 --> 01:11:34,889best thing I could come up with.But this other thing, like I108001:11:34,889 --> 01:11:37,709could see putting, like a littleURL parameter on the end of the,108101:11:38,339 --> 01:11:40,529of the, the endpoint call whereyou can say, okay, which108201:11:40,529 --> 01:11:41,909algorithm Do you want to use?108301:11:41,909 --> 01:11:42,989Right, there you go.108401:11:43,770 --> 01:11:45,690Do you want to let uselightning? Or do you want to use108501:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,290there you go default? Would thatwork?108601:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,560Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think wejust need to experiment see,108701:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,730what kind of data we get out ofout of the node and what how we108801:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,670how we can parse that and whatwhat what we come up with it108901:11:59,670 --> 01:12:02,430might be very, might be veryinteresting.109001:12:03,270 --> 01:12:05,580Yeah, cuz I can see if somepeople wanting one is some109101:12:05,580 --> 01:12:07,980people want it like breezeprobably wants the they probably109201:12:07,980 --> 01:12:11,970want the lightning stuff, ofcourse. But then, like a regular109301:12:11,970 --> 01:12:14,520podcast app, they doesn'timplement it for value. They may109401:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,330not care as much about that.Yeah, May. Maybe they blend it.109501:12:18,360 --> 01:12:19,110Maybe eventually109601:12:19,140 --> 01:12:21,540everyone's going to be valuedfor value. Just wait until the109701:12:21,540 --> 01:12:25,260advertising market collapsesupon itself. It's all going it's109801:12:25,260 --> 01:12:26,910all trending that way. DaveJones,109901:12:27,180 --> 01:12:29,850but this is the summer ofprogrammatic. Everything.110001:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,670Builders have been told we're110101:12:32,670 --> 01:12:37,950builders we're building what isit? bear markets are for110201:12:37,950 --> 01:12:38,610building110301:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,440them? I haven't heard that.Yeah.110401:12:43,620 --> 01:12:45,480bear markets are for buildingYeah,110501:12:45,540 --> 01:12:50,010you're gonna build stuff with nomoney. I can't say that we110601:12:50,010 --> 01:12:54,030did. Speaking of such let'sthank some people for supporting110701:12:54,030 --> 01:12:59,400this value for value project isvalue for value podcast. The way110801:12:59,400 --> 01:13:04,590we operate here as if you'vebeen listening. We only run on110901:13:04,860 --> 01:13:07,710the value that we provide. Andpeople send that back to us in111001:13:07,710 --> 01:13:10,530many ways time, talent andtreasure. We do need real111101:13:10,530 --> 01:13:12,900treasure to keep everythingrunning. Let me see if we got111201:13:12,900 --> 01:13:16,980any I didn't get a lot of litbooster grams today. Although111301:13:18,060 --> 01:13:24,93012345 12,345 SAS from hard hat.Thank you very much hard hat. I111401:13:24,930 --> 01:13:30,780see a lot of test booths frompod verse. Nice. Yes, I see 1000111501:13:30,780 --> 01:13:34,230here but no, no name oranything. I'm not quite sure111601:13:34,230 --> 01:13:38,790where that's coming from.Another 1000 from I think Mitch111701:13:38,790 --> 01:13:43,980is just he's he's working. Andthen I think the live the pre111801:13:43,980 --> 01:13:47,850boost started off with blueberry1776. So there's he said snip111901:13:47,850 --> 01:13:53,490first. Yes, that's our boost forright now. You can support us in112001:13:53,490 --> 01:13:56,100multiple ways. Go to podcastindex.org. At the bottom, you'll112101:13:56,100 --> 01:14:00,690see a donate button. You cansend SATs on chain. I'll check112201:14:00,690 --> 01:14:04,290the tally coin to see ifanything came in. Of course we112301:14:04,290 --> 01:14:07,740have a Pay Pal and we love itwhen you use a podcast app from112401:14:07,740 --> 01:14:12,960new podcast app.com. And boostus amounts boost us survival112501:14:12,960 --> 01:14:13,980cash, please.112601:14:15,180 --> 01:14:19,350There must be there must be likea concert going on or a football112701:14:19,350 --> 01:14:22,020game because there is not verymuch activity in112801:14:22,020 --> 01:14:23,610the chat room is weird, isn'tit?112901:14:24,000 --> 01:14:29,700It is weird. Is it just the end?Oh. Oh, I wonder if113001:14:29,729 --> 01:14:31,259is there some kind of Appleevent?113101:14:32,700 --> 01:14:35,400Is that possible? But I wonderif there's some I wonder if it's113201:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,550because school is starting back?Windows Desktop people113301:14:38,550 --> 01:14:39,420discombobulated113401:14:39,810 --> 01:14:42,150have an effect. It's possible.It's possible.113501:14:42,330 --> 01:14:45,150This is the time this is thetime of year. I mean our kids113601:14:45,150 --> 01:14:53,070start back next week. We gotsome we got zero weekly. Pay113701:14:53,070 --> 01:14:55,980fails. None. Nada.113801:14:56,159 --> 01:15:02,309I see here. I'm looking at wegot 21 on 21 on tally coin,113901:15:02,309 --> 01:15:09,2994001 33 and 20,001 40 none ofwhich are attributable to a name114001:15:09,299 --> 01:15:16,529which is too bad and just infrom lavish is 9999 99 around an114101:15:16,529 --> 01:15:19,079owner survival cash he saysthank you very much.114201:15:19,319 --> 01:15:23,519Thank you lavish Bucha that heappreciate we've I will go ahead114301:15:23,519 --> 01:15:26,639and read the monthlies on thePay Pal just because because we114401:15:26,639 --> 01:15:31,859don't have any other papers. So,straight out the gate pod verse,114501:15:32,039 --> 01:15:38,879LLC $50 versus the progressteam. Alice gets $25 Thank you114601:15:38,879 --> 01:15:45,719podcasts consultant, Lauren ball$24.20 mich Downey also he of114701:15:45,719 --> 01:15:51,329pod verse $10. Thank you, sir.Christopher hora, Barak $10.114801:15:51,899 --> 01:15:56,789Jeremy Kevin all $10 TerryKeller, $5 sore, you're on114901:15:56,789 --> 01:16:02,849hugger Mueller $5 Chris cow and$5 and Jeffrey Brentford. $5.115001:16:02,849 --> 01:16:03,809That's our monthlies. Thank you.115101:16:03,989 --> 01:16:07,889Thank you all very much. Now,time to see how the booths are115201:16:07,889 --> 01:16:08,369doing.115301:16:09,180 --> 01:16:15,600We have got from George Orwell1555 stats and he says go115401:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,290podcasting115501:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,080got a podcast. Thank you.115601:16:21,150 --> 01:16:25,680Mike Dell from blueberry gave us2500 SAS and he also says go115701:16:25,680 --> 01:16:33,840podcasting go podcast. WorkKaren, our buddy for the memoirs115801:16:33,840 --> 01:16:38,160podcast through Felton, he gaveus 4321 says he says boosting115901:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,740for all the incredible queueingsystems around the world.116001:16:41,220 --> 01:16:42,450queuing, queuing,116101:16:42,449 --> 01:16:44,819queuing. queuing. What does thatmean? I don't know.116201:16:44,910 --> 01:16:48,090Boost boost. But I'll we'll takeit Thank you, Karen.116301:16:49,140 --> 01:16:52,980Oh, okay. He comes in withanother 4321 through fountaining116401:16:52,980 --> 01:16:55,500says boosting for theInternational V for V realized,116501:16:56,190 --> 01:16:59,070Hey, we are living theinternational the New116601:16:59,070 --> 01:17:03,060International lifestyle of valuefor value. Boost. That's right116701:17:03,060 --> 01:17:05,550there. You got it. He's livingit too.116801:17:06,150 --> 01:17:13,620He is tota in Brisbane and Joelw 96 sets. And the reason I read116901:17:13,620 --> 01:17:16,830this was below the 1000 satlimit but I've read it because117001:17:16,830 --> 01:17:20,730he said episode 96 approximately96 minutes in length.117101:17:20,940 --> 01:17:22,140Coincidence?117201:17:22,170 --> 01:17:24,990I think not a bombshell117301:17:25,949 --> 01:17:31,109Satoshis dot stream sued to havea web version. Send us 5552 SAS117401:17:31,109 --> 01:17:32,999through fountain with a smileyface emoji.117501:17:33,060 --> 01:17:34,590Oh, thank you very much.117601:17:35,250 --> 01:17:38,820Oh, wait another five another5550 to three from Satoshis data117701:17:38,820 --> 01:17:41,970stream. He says. You said no onehas done a graph of boosts and117801:17:41,970 --> 01:17:45,750listens over time. We had thatsince the start. It's all in the117901:17:45,780 --> 01:17:49,110export nice grass per episodeeven boosts per chapter if your118001:17:49,110 --> 01:17:52,890podcast has chapters. I stand100%. Correct. And you know,118101:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,480that is exactly right. I forgot118201:17:54,480 --> 01:17:57,750they had that. I would love tosee that on a web version.118301:17:58,380 --> 01:18:01,500It's dynamite. Maybe they have aweb version is ended. Now. They118401:18:01,500 --> 01:18:03,900have a web version, it will beas hard to get to through the118501:18:03,900 --> 01:18:04,380telegram.118601:18:04,409 --> 01:18:06,569Yeah. And then you know, becausewhat I'd love to do is I'd love118701:18:06,569 --> 01:18:10,109to put it in the split now. AndI can see how it shows up there.118801:18:10,109 --> 01:18:12,449Absolutely. I'm looking forwardto your web version.118901:18:12,960 --> 01:18:21,420Boost. This. This is the in theV for V. System. And I'm119001:18:21,420 --> 01:18:24,900assuming you're going to talkabout this as a key component.119101:18:25,740 --> 01:18:29,490In your part of the PodcastMovement talk is you must119201:18:30,090 --> 01:18:33,360occasionally at least once pershow, say something that's wrong119301:18:34,440 --> 01:18:35,670on purpose so that people119401:18:36,030 --> 01:18:41,130can correct you and boost us.Yes. It's content programming.119501:18:41,160 --> 01:18:42,720Yes. Very, very, very good.119601:18:43,409 --> 01:18:46,979Another boost from Satoshistring 5552. He says Jack119701:18:46,979 --> 01:18:50,549reciter is using Satoshis duststream to Oh, awesome. Perfect,119801:18:50,580 --> 01:18:51,270excellent.119901:18:54,210 --> 01:18:57,630Okay, here's a boost from thePolish Podcast Directory podcast120001:18:57,630 --> 01:19:03,660d dot info. Oh, now that is thatis spelled P O D KASTY. dot120101:19:03,660 --> 01:19:04,080info.120201:19:04,379 --> 01:19:09,299These are the guys that gave usa whole list of podcasts that120301:19:09,299 --> 01:19:10,649weren't in our directory yet.120401:19:11,160 --> 01:19:16,620The OPML gives big OPML Oh,nice. Nice. Yeah. Give us a120501:19:16,620 --> 01:19:17,520Polish opium mill.120601:19:18,779 --> 01:19:20,939A Pope EML a pope Pope Ium.120701:19:23,730 --> 01:19:28,470We have. We have indexed over7000 Polish language podcast. It120801:19:28,470 --> 01:19:32,940is 2000 more since I send sentto Dave our OPML file on October120901:19:32,940 --> 01:19:37,8602020. Thank you for savingfreedom of podcasting updated121001:19:37,860 --> 01:19:38,820file is coming soon.121101:19:39,030 --> 01:19:42,930You know this. This just takesme back. Boy did I love The121201:19:42,930 --> 01:19:44,400original podcast index.121301:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,570I loved how that worked with thelength of emails. Yeah,121401:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,930I mean, it wasn't really anindex as much as it was a121501:19:51,930 --> 01:19:55,860directory that you could and itwas nice about it. So you had121601:19:55,860 --> 01:19:59,700your OPML file and you couldpretty much organize any way you121701:19:59,700 --> 01:20:02,850want. And then, you know, if yousaid, you could be your own top121801:20:02,850 --> 01:20:06,270level, and you'd say I want Iwant to organize this by121901:20:06,300 --> 01:20:10,350categories, and you'd look forsomeone who had done stuff with122001:20:10,350 --> 01:20:13,530aviation, and then underneaththat you could put helicopters122101:20:13,530 --> 01:20:16,980or you know, Cessna us orwhatever. You can kind of string122201:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,460it together yourself. And thenthere was a web rendering of it.122301:20:20,460 --> 01:20:23,430I mean, I'm not I'm just waxingon. But God, I love that. I122401:20:23,430 --> 01:20:28,080still love that idea of OPMLfiles linked together. It's so,122501:20:28,440 --> 01:20:29,190so cool.122601:20:29,550 --> 01:20:33,840Is there any type of databasethat does that today? Like? Is122701:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,100there a way that we could like,122801:20:35,460 --> 01:20:38,040well, the Freedom The Freedomcontroller does it remember the122901:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,560feet of the Freedom controller,we built the freedom controller123001:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,130around this is part of the theoriginal functionality that we123101:20:44,130 --> 01:20:45,030liked so much.123201:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,810We used to use that as aninstant messages chat. This is123301:20:48,810 --> 01:20:51,540the message. Let me let meexplain this to people who123401:20:51,540 --> 01:20:52,260didn't understand123501:20:52,260 --> 01:20:55,950Mary is a very fucking coolsystem. That of course, exactly123601:20:55,950 --> 01:20:57,480two people on earth used?123701:20:57,690 --> 01:21:02,040Yes, yes. We So imagine you havean OPML file.123801:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,610And people have to understandthis is not just the OPML file,123901:21:05,610 --> 01:21:10,620as you might know it. Because ineach node on an OPML, and124001:21:10,650 --> 01:21:14,400outline, there's attribute andthat has been totally124101:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,300bastardized, you know, so thepeople with an AR an OPML, five124201:21:18,330 --> 01:21:23,670file of RSS feeds, you have like1/16, of the functionality of124301:21:23,670 --> 01:21:24,330OPML.124401:21:25,020 --> 01:21:28,830Yeah, yeah, you, everybodythinks that OPML is just for124501:21:28,830 --> 01:21:32,070importing and exporting RSSfeeds. And that's not at all.124601:21:32,550 --> 01:21:35,190That's not at all what it infact, that's what full length,124701:21:35,220 --> 01:21:38,640that's what killed OPML it is itis a misunderstanding of what is124801:21:38,640 --> 01:21:43,110use was dope. OPML is a fulloutlining markup language. And124901:21:43,110 --> 01:21:48,960one of the one of the attributeson each node is to include the125001:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,490URL of another OPML file, sothat when you can see that when125101:21:53,490 --> 01:21:58,650you're going down and expandingthe nodes of your outline, if it125201:21:58,650 --> 01:22:02,130sees a reference to the URL ofanother OPML file, when you125301:22:02,130 --> 01:22:05,730expand the node, it goes out andgrabs all the nodes from the125401:22:05,730 --> 01:22:09,150other outline and puts them aschildren of the node, you just,125501:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,050you just expanded125601:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,860and preserved the state, whichthe original author of that125701:22:13,890 --> 01:22:20,670remote node saved it in. It'sreally, really, really cool.125801:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,600So what we did was, we wereusing it, we just had an125901:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,840outline, instant outline, Iwould instantly Yeah, and I126001:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,350would have I would have an OPMLfile and Adam would have an OPML126101:22:31,350 --> 01:22:34,800file, and we would have a masterOPML file that just referenced126201:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,800each of the two and then everyoccasionally I would just126301:22:37,800 --> 01:22:43,770collapse and re expand my mymind node that referenced Adams126401:22:43,770 --> 01:22:47,550OPML and all the latest stuff hewrote in his outline would come126501:22:47,550 --> 01:22:50,970into my outline. And that's howwe That's how literally how we126601:22:50,970 --> 01:22:52,650communicated for like five years126701:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,910then we also did the watch thisthis outline, so that if you126801:22:56,910 --> 01:23:00,540would updated your outline, thenit would go bold in my outline,126901:23:00,540 --> 01:23:03,480so I knew there was somethingnew and I could expand it and127001:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,540get your new stuff. Why don't welay it out anymore? Why don't we127101:23:06,540 --> 01:23:06,840start127201:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,920later you know, later what wedid was put into the freedom127301:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,390controller the email thing, andif if an outline ever changed,127401:23:15,540 --> 01:23:18,780it would diff it and send youthe process do the nodes that127501:23:18,780 --> 01:23:21,150obtain we did a bunch of crazystuff man.127601:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,380Nothing is successful with thisproject. No.127701:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,910Coal McCormick sent us 3000 SATsthrough fountain nice that's127801:23:29,910 --> 01:23:34,890cool. Because you asked the wayI'm able to give 2000 SATs for a127901:23:34,890 --> 01:23:39,000listen is through fountainpromotion feature. Money goes in128001:23:39,000 --> 01:23:43,77020% goes to the app rest of itis sets to give away my vision128101:23:43,770 --> 01:23:47,190is to be known as the guy whogives his audience the most sets128201:23:47,730 --> 01:23:50,850I'm doing this on the lastSunday of every month for one128301:23:50,850 --> 01:23:55,590year. Karen down did V for Vepisode and split focusing in128401:23:55,590 --> 01:23:58,650Split focusing on my showAmerica plus and breaks it down128501:23:58,650 --> 01:23:59,250wonderfully.128601:23:59,340 --> 01:24:02,040Oh, okay. That's a good show.Excellent.128701:24:02,100 --> 01:24:09,180Yeah. Thanks for the explanationbe be glass too soon as 1221128801:24:09,180 --> 01:24:11,160SATs through fountain you needjust as boost.128901:24:11,369 --> 01:24:12,869Gotcha. Boost129001:24:14,220 --> 01:24:19,110anonymous. Says 100 sassespodcasts index lb love child129101:24:19,110 --> 01:24:23,940test. I just thought that wasfunny. That Amy sent his 500129201:24:23,940 --> 01:24:29,460SATs and said LB is awesome. Yesit is. Bumi we know Bumi is on129301:24:29,460 --> 01:24:32,250the show last week send us 1000SATs he says whoo What a129401:24:32,250 --> 01:24:36,480beautiful day I'm reviewing thebooster gram pull request129501:24:37,170 --> 01:24:41,730all right. Oh, that's probablythe booster grams from the page.129601:24:42,420 --> 01:24:44,160Is it not know129701:24:45,420 --> 01:24:49,080this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Forthe for the podcast index129801:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,470website. Please talk about Yeah,quick update.129901:24:52,470 --> 01:24:56,880Mitch just sent a test sending1000 SATs from pod verse mobile.130001:24:56,910 --> 01:25:00,420There we go. Oh, nice. Adam didthe amount show up and LeapPad130101:25:00,420 --> 01:25:03,030correctly this time. Yes, itdid. Because I was getting just130201:25:03,030 --> 01:25:06,540the split, I was getting 10 SATsinstead of showing up in helipad130301:25:06,540 --> 01:25:11,400instead of 1000 SATs. Okay, thatwas my bug report. That bug130401:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,220report was ordered an hour agoand it's fixed the course.130501:25:14,460 --> 01:25:17,730podcast in 2.0. We got somescissor cuts, but it's fixed.130601:25:18,330 --> 01:25:21,660budget budget tests boost forMitch. Thank you, Mitch. The130701:25:21,660 --> 01:25:22,9801000s 1000 Each here130801:25:22,980 --> 01:25:24,870they are boost boost boost bunch130901:25:24,870 --> 01:25:32,040of them. Brian of London since1948 1948 says he's really131001:25:32,040 --> 01:25:37,620podcast index webpage is throughthe podcast in this web page.131101:25:38,280 --> 01:25:42,360Podcast index. Oh, cool. Yeah.Nice. He says, he says, Well,131201:25:42,360 --> 01:25:43,500hello. Well, hello.131301:25:43,500 --> 01:25:49,800Well, hello. snow boots. Nowwhat I meant was, how are you131401:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,650doing? Here we go. How youdoing? Bucha.131501:25:53,100 --> 01:25:56,850See, dubs send us 10,101 says tothe boost CLI. And he says131601:25:56,850 --> 01:26:01,050GitHub is centralized andcensorship is unacceptable. Git131701:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,140is a decentralized protocol. Buthow long would it take to get131801:26:04,140 --> 01:26:07,680development going? Again, ifGitHub de platformed us today, I131901:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,610plead the board to consider selfhosting these critical services132001:26:11,610 --> 01:26:16,920at least as a backup. See, he'sgot that link here. Click on it.132101:26:18,930 --> 01:26:19,650You just click on it.132201:26:19,710 --> 01:26:29,130Is there not? A is there notlike a Git server in the Umbral?132301:26:30,930 --> 01:26:34,500Oh, I don't know is there andyou're and the only reason I132401:26:34,500 --> 01:26:36,900bring it up? Let me see the onlyreason I bring it up is that132501:26:36,900 --> 01:26:40,950could be kind of nice as abackup. Everyone could be could132601:26:40,950 --> 01:26:43,920run one. Let me see. Don't wehave a get something I'm looking132701:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,690at their their athletes132801:26:45,930 --> 01:26:52,890is link is to get get T gi T EA.And what's interesting about132901:26:53,100 --> 01:26:58,830this page that I'm looking atget t.io is evidently their133001:26:58,830 --> 01:26:59,130source.133101:27:00,449 --> 01:27:01,859Gi T EA133201:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,610their source code is evidentlyhosted on GitHub. And let's133301:27:07,890 --> 01:27:11,160see, here we go. Yeah, so I canset it up right here a painless133401:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,920self hosted Git service andwhere to GitHub, Bitbucket and133501:27:13,920 --> 01:27:19,440GitLab. You can fully selfhosted and private and can you133601:27:19,470 --> 01:27:20,310import.133701:27:22,949 --> 01:27:28,049No, probably I am not opposed togetting to getting off GitHub. I133801:27:28,049 --> 01:27:33,539just went. I just need it to notbe a barrier for people to do133901:27:33,749 --> 01:27:34,589contributions.134001:27:34,620 --> 01:27:38,700Oh, let's leave it on. Let'sjust leave it on GitHub and oh,134101:27:38,700 --> 01:27:42,570here mirror repositoryrepository from GitHub. Hello.134201:27:43,199 --> 01:27:46,529Oh, okay. Okay, so that's thething. He does it right here.134301:27:46,559 --> 01:27:50,729Yeah, you can just you can justmake a backup. Yeah. On your own134401:27:50,729 --> 01:27:51,359down with that.134501:27:51,359 --> 01:27:54,389Yeah. All right. Are you gonnado it? Or do I do it? No, I'll134601:27:54,389 --> 01:27:55,109do it. Okay.134701:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,200I'll do it when I get my up myfather. Follow up.134801:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,670Okay. When I get five oh, HawaiiFive. Oh.134901:28:04,770 --> 01:28:10,800Okay. Jean Everett sent us33 333 33,333 Says who? Fountain135001:28:10,800 --> 01:28:11,430fall, man.135101:28:11,460 --> 01:28:15,990He's blue. I just said HawaiiFive. Oh, yeah. I just felt like135201:28:15,990 --> 01:28:22,620I needed to play it. Come on,man. doesn't miss getting135301:28:22,620 --> 01:28:27,570pumped. How did you find that?Get ready for it. Here we go.135401:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,970Sorry, I just feel so good on aFriday afternoon. That's135501:28:37,770 --> 01:28:40,290me. You had that thing in yourback pocket that came out of135601:28:40,290 --> 01:28:44,790nowhere. Sorry. You just saidyou had a cute you've had that135701:28:44,790 --> 01:28:45,990thing queued up for six months135801:28:45,990 --> 01:28:48,600waiting. Waiting for the rightFriday. Yeah, that's right.135901:28:48,780 --> 01:28:49,350Exactly.136001:28:49,949 --> 01:28:53,579He says G never 333 333 saysboost136101:28:53,580 --> 01:28:54,480Joe.136201:28:54,810 --> 01:29:01,080Boost. First time. First timelongtime podcaster what he's136301:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,870trying to say here. He's gotemojis sprinkled in here. I136401:29:03,870 --> 01:29:06,990don't know. Okay, first timelongtime thank you for what you136501:29:06,990 --> 01:29:10,920guys are doing. You're changingthe world. Oh, and hi folks.136601:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,350Follow me on hive. Oh jeans ahive guy.136701:29:13,380 --> 01:29:16,020Okay. All right. Hey, Hibernice. How you doing? Hi, Eva.136801:29:16,529 --> 01:29:22,259Thank you Jane. See Jean evercame in again with 100,000 says136901:29:22,319 --> 01:29:23,639oh137001:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,560shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula137101:29:28,590 --> 01:29:35,670who's this? Jean Everett boost.So he says please credit the137201:29:35,670 --> 01:29:39,360second boost for me today to theAdam curry fan page on Hive at137301:29:39,360 --> 01:29:40,260Adam curry. 30137401:29:40,980 --> 01:29:44,250Oh, I have a fan page nine hedid. I didn't know this. All137501:29:44,250 --> 01:29:44,640right.137601:29:45,180 --> 01:29:49,800Ps are monk born and raised andmy mom spoke extremely highly of137701:29:49,800 --> 01:29:50,760Eugene curry.137801:29:50,790 --> 01:29:56,220Oh, my grandfather. Come Nice.Yeah, Eugene curry. He was quite137901:29:56,220 --> 01:29:59,490the upstanding member of thecommunity. Oh138001:29:59,490 --> 01:30:02,340my god. Bless the curry clan.I'll give more details when I138101:30:02,340 --> 01:30:04,500donate to na next. Oh, nice.138201:30:04,710 --> 01:30:08,340That's so nice. I'd love to hearabout it. Yeah, I mean, my dad138301:30:08,340 --> 01:30:12,690grew up in Armand, I've been inArmonk, all my life. Visiting.138401:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,320My uncle 94 still lives in thathouse.138501:30:17,430 --> 01:30:23,220My mom is the home home base ofIBM IBM. Yeah. Are they still138601:30:23,220 --> 01:30:24,450there? They still have apresence you138701:30:24,449 --> 01:30:27,329bet. Yeah. Okay, that's stillthat's still there. HQ.138801:30:28,380 --> 01:30:33,000Macintosh 2222 through found andhe says good episode as always,138901:30:33,030 --> 01:30:34,890Macintosh. Thank you, Macintosh.139001:30:38,069 --> 01:30:39,449We love rows of ducks.139101:30:40,409 --> 01:30:46,649Brian of London in the hive Dao,send us 40,550 He says Shabbat139201:30:46,649 --> 01:30:49,979Shalom Leeroy II Vinnie be inbut139301:30:50,819 --> 01:30:52,799okay, Shabbat Shalom, y'all.139401:30:56,100 --> 01:30:57,660That's the way you say that inTexas.139501:30:57,689 --> 01:31:02,759That's right. Well, my partnerRon Blum was a Jew from Atlanta.139601:31:03,659 --> 01:31:06,929Okay, and so, you know, I'vedone many Seders and stuff like139701:31:06,929 --> 01:31:12,989that at his house and it waslike Shabbat Shalom, y'all got139801:31:12,989 --> 01:31:14,429any RC Cola?139901:31:15,329 --> 01:31:17,579Let, let me try that. Let megive this another shot again,140001:31:17,579 --> 01:31:20,039because I think he's trying tosend Roy a message as he says,140101:31:20,189 --> 01:31:23,459Shabbat shalom. The RO ye be inbacha?140201:31:24,030 --> 01:31:28,440Oh, are we going to? Oh, I know.Yeah. Yes. Move over. I want to140301:31:28,440 --> 01:31:30,990be in those silk sheets. I thinkwhat that man140401:31:32,220 --> 01:31:39,750this is that is not appropriate.Brian. He's blueberry sent a140501:31:39,750 --> 01:31:47,64017,776 size sound and he says148 unique geometric boosts. I140601:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,970don't know what that means. Wow.No, I like it. Those two grand140701:31:51,330 --> 01:31:52,260geometric140801:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,280that's a booster gram.140901:31:53,279 --> 01:31:54,509It's a puzzle gram.141001:31:55,290 --> 01:32:00,090Okay. 100 Let's start at 148unique geometric boosts checked141101:32:00,420 --> 01:32:05,76022 different ISO boost basedboost but playing just super141201:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,390bitchin. Dave can you channelyour inner warlord of the141301:32:09,390 --> 01:32:13,770Wasteland? Hashtag humongousvibes and hit me with bring141401:32:13,770 --> 01:32:15,510forth the goat counter.141501:32:17,790 --> 01:32:19,260What exactly does he want?141601:32:19,590 --> 01:32:23,640I don't know. I think is are youwanting me to say that bring141701:32:23,640 --> 01:32:30,690forth the goat counter. I hopethat's what he wanted.141801:32:30,689 --> 01:32:32,339But he's got it. That's what hegot.141901:32:32,939 --> 01:32:38,969Blueberry. You're weird dude.But I love you. Scotty is Cora142001:32:39,929 --> 01:32:44,15951 SATs Van Halen boost and hesays another eruption of SATs142101:32:44,969 --> 01:32:45,479bam142201:32:45,480 --> 01:32:54,270bam thank you again for anothergreat show. I look forward each142301:32:54,270 --> 01:32:56,910week for the show and theability to give you guys value142401:32:56,910 --> 01:32:59,100back for the excitement you giveme each episode.142501:32:59,130 --> 01:33:01,710Oh, thank you. That's exactlywhat I love hearing. That's how142601:33:01,710 --> 01:33:03,600it works value for value in anutshell.142701:33:04,409 --> 01:33:09,299I'd love it. 2222 from last mesays Dave, presentation slides142801:33:09,299 --> 01:33:12,569in a row. Thanks to Mr. Cridlandfor fixing my pull request for142901:33:12,569 --> 01:33:16,439the road ducks 2220 Satoshis tobooster grid to the Mr. Graham143001:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,309numerology page on GitHub. Yeah,Lyceum para Petros is now a143101:33:20,309 --> 01:33:27,449contributor running withscissors. Very nice. How do I143201:33:28,619 --> 01:33:31,469how do I check incoming setsfrom different apps my main143301:33:31,469 --> 01:33:35,189podcatcher is now fountain. ButI will also use pod verse curio143401:33:35,189 --> 01:33:37,979caster caster Matic POS stationbreeze and boost the hill. Hi.143501:33:38,609 --> 01:33:42,029Is Ella pad easy to install fora non techie person? Could you143601:33:42,029 --> 01:33:46,049integrate Alby to Martin? LindaScott? Well, yes, z as long as143701:33:46,049 --> 01:33:51,059you have a volume unknown role.Yeah. So even if you don't have143801:33:51,059 --> 01:33:54,839an envoy, you just have a node.It's still pretty easy. Yeah,143901:33:54,930 --> 01:33:59,490I would say the easiest way isto is to run an Umbral. And144001:33:59,490 --> 01:34:06,630then, so what I do is I makesure that my Umbral has a 1%144101:34:06,630 --> 01:34:10,680split for my podcasts, so I'mnot so I'm not really receiving144201:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,520the bulk of any SATs coming in,but I'm using it for helipad144301:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,840mainly. Okay, and then after awhile, those SATs stack up and144401:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,150you know, you you can fill upyour wallet with it.144501:34:21,689 --> 01:34:28,319He got some Jack got somescratch. If you need Martin, if144601:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,049you need help, if you don't havean Umbral note and you have some144701:34:31,109 --> 01:34:34,739other node, and you need helpwith what the configuration144801:34:34,739 --> 01:34:37,139files supposed to look like forhelp at tell me and I will be144901:34:37,139 --> 01:34:41,309glad Yeah, boost your questions.Yes, and I will reply without145001:34:41,309 --> 01:34:46,469boosting you back boost yourquestions. The delimiter comes145101:34:46,469 --> 01:34:48,719through blogger 15,033 sets145201:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,540Yeah, there is everybody. Hesays145301:34:51,690 --> 01:34:54,930Hi, Adam and Dave. Please keepdoing unbelievable things.145401:34:55,590 --> 01:35:00,540Satoshi by Satoshi to theextreme. Anyways, Y'all are145501:35:00,540 --> 01:35:03,570invited to the podcast about themost important tech invented by145601:35:03,570 --> 01:35:08,070mankind. ArtificialIntelligence, narrated by silky145701:35:08,070 --> 01:35:12,090voice of Gregory WilliamForsythe Forman view from Kitt.145801:35:12,780 --> 01:35:17,610Just type in your browser or anypodcaster podcatcher AI dot145901:35:17,610 --> 01:35:19,380cooking. Yo,146001:35:20,489 --> 01:35:25,559yo, back atcha bombshell.Nothing from Roy Hmm.146101:35:26,220 --> 01:35:27,450Not a singer after all146201:35:27,449 --> 01:35:29,039that after all that.146301:35:29,490 --> 01:35:32,760Usually what happens? This isthe way that it goes down almost146401:35:33,210 --> 01:35:37,230once a month is I don't readanything from Roy and then he146501:35:37,260 --> 01:35:38,280emails like hey,146601:35:38,280 --> 01:35:42,180man, are you okay? Man was up.146701:35:42,689 --> 01:35:44,999Yeah, he's like, why don't youread my boost? I'm like, Oh146801:35:44,999 --> 01:35:48,149crap, and I go look for it. Andit was there, and I missed it.146901:35:48,179 --> 01:35:51,989So it's just like, this is theway that I get ROI to talk to147001:35:51,989 --> 01:35:54,239me. Otherwise you won't everemail. He won't message me.147101:35:54,750 --> 01:35:59,400He's been distracted. Okay, Icalled him the other day. Okay,147201:35:59,490 --> 01:36:01,890yeah, he's been distract. He'sjust has to do like business147301:36:01,890 --> 01:36:04,920stuff. That's just verydestructive for guys like Roy.147401:36:05,970 --> 01:36:09,000Yeah, yeah, that. I just wannamake sure he didn't run out of147501:36:09,000 --> 01:36:09,600stats.147601:36:10,980 --> 01:36:13,230No, I think that's why he wasdoing business stuff like shit.147701:36:13,230 --> 01:36:16,500I gotta boost these guys. Yeah.147801:36:17,489 --> 01:36:19,529Gotta get out of the robe. All147901:36:19,529 --> 01:36:22,559right, what else do we need todo for today's Board meeting? Is148001:36:22,559 --> 01:36:25,169there anything that we need tocover that we haven't done yet?148101:36:25,829 --> 01:36:30,689Well, I'm looking through thelist here. Oh,148201:36:31,020 --> 01:36:33,720by the way, I should mentionBrees has updated their app148301:36:33,720 --> 01:36:38,370they've got now you can do iconview and you can their stats so148401:36:38,370 --> 01:36:40,980you can see who you've boostedhow much so they're they're148501:36:40,980 --> 01:36:44,190really coming up on the on thepodcast app side now which is148601:36:44,190 --> 01:36:44,910nice to see.148701:36:46,710 --> 01:36:52,620Dan Benjamin been talking withhim a lot lately. He is putting148801:36:52,650 --> 01:36:57,810he's gonna head pin pod pinginto fireside cool and I'm148901:36:57,810 --> 01:37:00,840helping him through that so thathe can get ready for the live149001:37:00,840 --> 01:37:04,980item stuff. He said live item isgoing to is going to take some149101:37:04,980 --> 01:37:06,750database changes for him. He'sgonna He's149201:37:06,750 --> 01:37:11,790gonna offer live item with astream to his to his podcasters149301:37:12,689 --> 01:37:15,629not with a stream initially, buthe's just going to do he's gonna149401:37:15,629 --> 01:37:17,609put support in it. So the feedbecause149501:37:17,789 --> 01:37:20,429it seems to me like even that issomething that you could149601:37:20,429 --> 01:37:21,809Dockerized real quick.149701:37:23,310 --> 01:37:24,120A stream server?149801:37:24,239 --> 01:37:27,089Yeah. And fire up. If someone'sdoing a stream just haven't they149901:37:27,089 --> 01:37:32,399fire up a little Docker thing.And then good to go. In a150001:37:32,399 --> 01:37:35,579podcast host. I'm just I'm justdrinking. I'm just Mr. Docker150101:37:35,579 --> 01:37:38,309now now that I've had to dealwith it. Like, oh, this is150201:37:38,309 --> 01:37:38,999pretty cool.150301:37:40,140 --> 01:37:44,310Yeah, I know. I agree. I don'tknow how much. I feel like you150401:37:44,310 --> 01:37:46,980could do that. Maybe I'm crazy.150501:37:46,980 --> 01:37:49,620It's a bit like, like dashboardson voltage, you know, it's the150601:37:49,620 --> 01:37:53,730same thing. It's like, you know,it's firing up a Docker and and150701:37:53,730 --> 01:37:56,700then you got a whole machine youlog into, and then you've got a150801:37:56,700 --> 01:37:57,690thunder hub, you know?150901:37:58,710 --> 01:38:03,030And you could keep a fleet ofthem running. Yeah. Like, I151001:38:03,030 --> 01:38:05,790don't know, do you remember? Didyou ever you ran your own Apache151101:38:05,790 --> 01:38:10,320at some point in time, right?Yes, of course. Do you remember151201:38:10,320 --> 01:38:10,950how151301:38:12,449 --> 01:38:14,129that's where it works comesfrom?151401:38:14,909 --> 01:38:19,379Yeah, it worked. Do you rememberhow Apache had this notion of151501:38:19,679 --> 01:38:24,029child processes? And Max? Maxnumber of waiting process?151601:38:24,059 --> 01:38:26,909No, man, I'm still at cgi binbaby. I don't know.151701:38:28,470 --> 01:38:32,970Oh, Lord. Server side includesserver side includes151801:38:35,069 --> 01:38:36,599the link link tag,151901:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,980the so in the Apache configfile, you would specify Okay,152001:38:41,010 --> 01:38:44,310the minimum spare servers Ithink is what it was called. And152101:38:44,310 --> 01:38:44,490so152201:38:44,490 --> 01:38:47,670it would keep Oh, yes, yes, I dorecall this parameter. Sure.152301:38:47,730 --> 01:38:52,290Yeah. If you had like 50 hits,that all spawned a process, it152401:38:52,290 --> 01:38:56,580would always be sure to keep itat least like five ready to go.152501:38:57,510 --> 01:38:59,940And like, I wonder if you coulddo it that way where you had152601:38:59,940 --> 01:39:03,120like a fleet and you say, Okay,I'm always going to keep five152701:39:03,120 --> 01:39:08,370stream servers spun up ready togo. And then as, as the streams152801:39:08,370 --> 01:39:11,490fall off, and you don't need asmany you begin to prune back on152901:39:11,490 --> 01:39:14,040and kill the doctor's notes. Youalways keep at least a few153001:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,040running. So that they'reinstant, you know, so you153101:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,470know, and what's it really goingto be I mean, no agenda, which153201:39:19,470 --> 01:39:24,570is pretty big show. Now we'rebetween two and 3000 streams on153301:39:24,570 --> 01:39:26,970any given show day. So it's notgoing to break the bank.153401:39:28,050 --> 01:39:32,190Well, oh, Mehta said, as you'rea cast as a Dockerized ice cast153501:39:32,190 --> 01:39:37,800liquid soap in a box. Oh, thereyou go. You go and work. I mean,153601:39:38,970 --> 01:39:43,470this just sounds doable to me. Idon't does bandwidth. What's153701:39:43,470 --> 01:39:47,610your bandwidth? What stream ratedo you use on the on your153801:39:47,610 --> 01:39:48,090stream?153901:39:48,119 --> 01:39:55,349Well, let me see. I use See128 120154001:39:55,470 --> 01:39:59,460Now. I can't I'm not good enoughto do the math for all that.154101:39:59,490 --> 01:40:04,590Well, if you have If you have1000, then you have a year at a154201:40:04,620 --> 01:40:09,000megabit per second, I think. Idon't know. I don't know.154301:40:09,599 --> 01:40:12,449That doesn't seem I mean, thatjust doesn't seem that Oh, it's154401:40:12,449 --> 01:40:13,139just getting it154501:40:13,140 --> 01:40:17,370all working. And you know,someone's got to fire up a154601:40:17,370 --> 01:40:20,430streaming server. You know, thisis stuff the stuff to be done.154701:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,570Stuff. Sorry, long COVID still.154801:40:25,470 --> 01:40:30,600Yeah, but that's nothing. That'sdoable. As he wants me to do I154901:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,040want somebody to do the fullmonty.155001:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,510They're going to they're goingto and Apple is going to155101:40:36,510 --> 01:40:39,600integrate all even the lit tagyou watch. You155201:40:40,229 --> 01:40:42,269know, I don't disbelieve155301:40:42,270 --> 01:40:44,160for all your children leave thehouse.155401:40:45,899 --> 01:40:48,689Oh, see, we get Yeah, we get atleast six years.155501:40:48,809 --> 01:40:54,839I'm telling you. It'll happen.All right, Dave. Two, we call it155601:40:54,839 --> 01:40:56,999a day. Sure. Yeah, we155701:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,580got I got more stuff. But we canwe get another show next week.155801:40:59,580 --> 01:41:00,660That's the beautiful thing aboutPUC155901:41:00,659 --> 01:41:04,109and we do and then the weekafter that we're going to be in156001:41:04,619 --> 01:41:07,619in Dallas, from PodcastMovement. And we'll do the board156101:41:07,619 --> 01:41:10,259meeting from from Dallas. We'renot quite sure how we're going156201:41:10,259 --> 01:41:10,529to do it156301:41:10,529 --> 01:41:13,259yet. But we will do it. We'llmake it up on the fly like156401:41:13,259 --> 01:41:13,949teenagers do.156501:41:14,189 --> 01:41:18,599And again, Dave, congratulationson all of the success. Yeah, me156601:41:18,599 --> 01:41:20,879too. And everybody elseeverybody listening. Thank you156701:41:20,879 --> 01:41:24,659so much for attending the boardmeeting for podcasting. 2.0 Next156801:41:24,659 --> 01:41:27,809week, we'll be back with morestuff to discuss See you then156901:41:27,809 --> 01:41:29,639everybody remember to boost us?157001:41:45,090 --> 01:41:49,650You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast157101:41:49,650 --> 01:41:55,020index.org for more information.bombshell