Episode 96: Foie Gras

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,210Oh, podcasting 2.0 for August5 2020 to Episode 96 Flog dry200:00:06,210 --> 00:00:14,730anyone once again, right, it'stime for the weekly board300:00:14,730 --> 00:00:18,300meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Findout what's going on with the400:00:18,300 --> 00:00:21,150future of podcasting, whichhappens to be here today.500:00:21,450 --> 00:00:23,610Everything going on inpodcasting index.org, the600:00:23,610 --> 00:00:26,670namespace for the podcaststandards, of course everything700:00:26,670 --> 00:00:31,470happening with value for valueand with podcasting index dot800:00:31,470 --> 00:00:37,020social where all the brain poweraggregates during the week. If900:00:37,020 --> 00:00:39,480you're ready, I'm Adam curryhere in the heart of the Texas1000:00:39,480 --> 00:00:43,410Hill Country and in Alabama. myroomie for Podcast Movement, my1100:00:43,410 --> 00:00:47,610friend on the other end, ladiesand gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones1200:00:48,450 --> 00:00:54,780would really happy Friday,really, really? Happy Friday,1300:00:54,930 --> 00:00:56,580bringing in a 90s word up.1400:00:57,030 --> 00:01:01,920Yeah, it's it's it's Friday andpod thing still running?1500:01:01,950 --> 00:01:06,990Yes. You mean all in allregions, all areas? We've got1600:01:06,990 --> 00:01:11,310hive power, it's up and running.We have global global high1700:01:11,310 --> 00:01:16,740power. Yeah. What happened?Exactly the system was down and1800:01:16,740 --> 00:01:21,060was was, I mean, tell me whatwas going on? It seemed like1900:01:21,060 --> 00:01:22,440everything was still kind ofworking.2000:01:23,369 --> 00:01:26,309Yeah. Now what it wasn't thiswas not a this was not a2100:01:26,309 --> 00:01:29,819disaster like it was last week.So what yeah, what he figured2200:01:29,819 --> 00:01:33,689out is that there is some sortof memory leak or something is2300:01:33,689 --> 00:01:39,389probably in the hive writer inlike the light hive library is2400:01:39,389 --> 00:01:43,679being used for the rider. And sothat's the only thing we can2500:01:43,679 --> 00:01:46,949figure out long running sort oflong running process.2600:01:47,430 --> 00:01:50,370Like some of the shittiestthings to have to have to track2700:01:50,370 --> 00:01:52,050down though memory leaks.2800:01:52,590 --> 00:01:56,070Yeah, for sure. Let the racethere's a lot of there's a few2900:01:56,070 --> 00:01:58,890things in, you know, computerscience, computer programming3000:01:58,890 --> 00:02:01,530that are really difficult raceconditions being one of them,3100:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,690you know, in parallelprogramming. Memory Leaks are3200:02:06,690 --> 00:02:10,740another one there. They're not.They're easier with decent debug3300:02:10,740 --> 00:02:14,910tools. But I just don't know, onthe Python side. How those3400:02:15,150 --> 00:02:18,750things look, or a lot of Pythonlibraries are wrappers around3500:02:18,750 --> 00:02:25,800other around other languagelibraries. So you know, I don't3600:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,280I'm not I'm not sure how much ofthis is native. And they could3700:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,020be a wrapper around a C. Clibrary or binary or something3800:02:34,020 --> 00:02:36,990like that. I just don't know howthat works. And it's, that's3900:02:36,990 --> 00:02:41,250part of the issue is that I amrunning this code. Well, I got a4000:02:41,250 --> 00:02:42,540dough there's a double pew.4100:02:43,050 --> 00:02:47,370Really? Oh, did you get thatdouble? As a GPU? Oh, that4200:02:47,370 --> 00:02:48,990wasn't supposed to happen. Iwonder why.4300:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,930It's like a trampoline andpeered off the trampoline, isn't4400:02:51,930 --> 00:02:57,600it? No, that's nasty. And the,but I don't I don't know how.4500:02:57,990 --> 00:03:02,220I'm not a Python programmer. SoI don't understand much of what4600:03:02,220 --> 00:03:06,780I'm looking at. And so whenthese things happen, I'm like,4700:03:06,780 --> 00:03:09,570just trying to scramble andfigure it out and post over to4800:03:09,570 --> 00:03:13,770Alex and Brian, like, well, youknow, what is this screenshot?4900:03:14,130 --> 00:03:18,900Right? And but anyway, it wasn'ta big deal. I think these are5000:03:18,900 --> 00:03:25,860low memory instances, the VMs.And so I think adding Docker to5100:03:25,860 --> 00:03:31,530it, added a load significantlyreduced the memory.5200:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,410I'm bringing, I'm almost I'malmost sorry, I asked to be5300:03:34,410 --> 00:03:34,950honest.5400:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,170Ask a question. You know, you5500:03:40,170 --> 00:03:42,720went really deep, all of asudden, it's like, wow, okay,5600:03:42,750 --> 00:03:44,490wait, we're at Docker.5700:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,300Straight to Docker. I think wefigured it out. For now, I'm5800:03:51,300 --> 00:03:54,270just restarting the Dockercontainer every 30 minutes,5900:03:54,540 --> 00:03:59,430which is way conservative forwhat this was. But it just, it6000:03:59,430 --> 00:04:01,590just makes sure that the memorything doesn't happen again. I6100:04:01,590 --> 00:04:05,730mean, these things run all thetime. And they they produce6200:04:05,910 --> 00:04:11,0701000s and 1000s and 1000s of podpings. So if you have a small6300:04:11,070 --> 00:04:13,410memory leak, eventually it'sgoing to catch gonna catch up6400:04:13,410 --> 00:04:16,500for you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Butthe good thing about Docker is6500:04:16,500 --> 00:04:18,720it makes it super easy, becauseall you got to do is just like,6600:04:18,750 --> 00:04:23,220do a Docker restart every halfhour. And it's like it just,6700:04:23,490 --> 00:04:25,290it's fixed. Now,6800:04:25,530 --> 00:04:29,040now, but we didn't lose any, anypings. And we were able to go6900:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,320back and we had everything theway it's supposed to work. So7000:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,190that was perfect, then.7100:04:32,580 --> 00:04:38,160No, we did not lose anythingbecause somebody created a7200:04:38,310 --> 00:04:42,390incredible queueing system. Oh,that that is written to disk.7300:04:42,570 --> 00:04:47,010And so even if even if theserver goes down, comes back up.7400:04:47,370 --> 00:04:49,950All the pings are still they'renice. They just empty the queue.7500:04:50,070 --> 00:04:52,170Nice. Good. Nice. Yep.7600:04:52,860 --> 00:04:56,250Okay, all right. So we got thatsolved. I've just been messing7700:04:56,250 --> 00:05:00,540with my setup. I got one ofthose Beeline peace. he's ever7800:05:00,540 --> 00:05:01,230seen these7900:05:01,740 --> 00:05:04,050never even heard of it. Oh, it's8000:05:04,110 --> 00:05:07,620it's always basically like alike the size of a Raspberry Pi8100:05:07,620 --> 00:05:13,440with an enclosure. And it's 180bucks. And you know, it has two8200:05:13,440 --> 00:05:21,420HDMI is four USB three ports.Yeah, when it comes with Windows8300:05:21,420 --> 00:05:24,99011, I was like, you know, thisthe, the surface that I've been8400:05:24,990 --> 00:05:29,910using for the for producing theshow and running the studio. You8500:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,130know, I was getting blue screensof death and stuff like that.8600:05:32,130 --> 00:05:34,350Well, let me let me set upsomething different kind of in8700:05:34,350 --> 00:05:37,140anticipation of being able toswitch completely to Linux to8800:05:37,140 --> 00:05:41,250just see, okay, if I switch toanother Windows box entirely,8900:05:41,250 --> 00:05:43,680can I get everything back up andrunning and now with the road,9000:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,990the road caster to the roadcaster Pro two? Absolutely. But9100:05:48,990 --> 00:05:51,990I've been really disappointedwindows 11, you can no longer9200:05:52,050 --> 00:05:56,460scale down your desktop the wayyou used to. Do remember, it was9300:05:56,460 --> 00:05:58,950used to be real simple, youright click on the desktop, and9400:05:58,950 --> 00:06:01,410there was, you know, propertiesor whatever, and you could9500:06:01,410 --> 00:06:05,700downscale so you could makestuff really small and have all9600:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,520this real estate that's gone.Now you can you can't go below9700:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,300100%.9800:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,150See, can you not go and find theactual resolution settings that?9900:06:15,390 --> 00:06:15,720Oh, no,10000:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,920no, I'm at the res, I meant thehighest resolution. But that10100:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,310still gives me you know,basically. So I got a big screen10200:06:23,310 --> 00:06:26,460a 27 inch screen from Acertouchscreen. And I'll talk about10300:06:26,460 --> 00:06:29,310that in a second. And but youknow, basically I just have a10400:06:29,310 --> 00:06:33,660giant windows, you know, like,with icons are as big as my10500:06:33,660 --> 00:06:37,860head. So you can you can scalethat down. But it's still pretty10600:06:37,860 --> 00:06:42,270big. And I want it much, muchsmaller. And you think you used10700:06:42,270 --> 00:06:45,210to be able to do that. Iremember doing that. Oh, yeah,10800:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,460yeah, yeah, you can do that. AndI'm sure you can't do it10900:06:47,460 --> 00:06:48,570anymore. You can't.11000:06:49,980 --> 00:06:52,590Isn't there and just grayed out?No,11100:06:52,590 --> 00:06:55,620no, there is not even there. Youcan you can scale up. You can11200:06:55,620 --> 00:07:02,550zoom in, but you can't zoom out.Which is weird. Yeah. It's And11300:07:02,550 --> 00:07:07,080besides that, this, that screengave so much buzz and shit on my11400:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,430microphones like this is anonstarter anyway, and now I had11500:07:11,430 --> 00:07:15,930for some reason I have a buzzagain. It's like, I know you11600:07:15,930 --> 00:07:17,070don't hear it, but I hear it.11700:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,280No, I don't hear when it Where'sthis one coming from?11800:07:20,309 --> 00:07:23,519I have no idea. I have no idea.I don't know if it's the screen.11900:07:23,519 --> 00:07:27,539Let me see you sit over here.Yeah, it's it's everything. It's12000:07:27,539 --> 00:07:32,879everything. Just everything? Idon't know. I blamed around me,12100:07:32,909 --> 00:07:33,989I blame the Germans.12200:07:34,770 --> 00:07:37,920Yeah. I mean, luckily, they'renot here.12300:07:37,950 --> 00:07:41,250So not here. Not yet. Not yet.Now, we'll get to our guests in12400:07:41,250 --> 00:07:45,690a moment. So we're live, we'relive. We are living the value12500:07:45,690 --> 00:07:49,170for value lifestyle. It's thebrand new value for value is the12600:07:49,170 --> 00:07:52,260new international lifestyle. Idon't know if you've noticed12700:07:52,260 --> 00:07:54,270that. This is this is my newmantra.12800:07:56,220 --> 00:07:58,230Every value for value into yourlife.12900:07:58,260 --> 00:08:00,840Yes. Once you we accept valuefor value into your life.13000:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,320Everything changes the way youbuy things, the way you evaluate13100:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,940your actions. You're alwayslooking for proof of work. Oh,13200:08:08,940 --> 00:08:11,130yeah, I'm getting really good atthis.13300:08:11,940 --> 00:08:12,960You did this ago.13400:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,780Man. Okay, so we had all kindsof stuff happening again this13500:08:18,780 --> 00:08:23,460week. It seems like ships onfire. We got all kinds of stuff13600:08:23,460 --> 00:08:24,030going on.13700:08:24,750 --> 00:08:34,350Cast dos cast is put put in theC cast has already had you where13800:08:34,350 --> 00:08:40,500you could put in your node key,your pub key, right in in there.13900:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,720They also added in custom keycustom value. So now you can put14000:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,480it now you can do an lb wallet.Or14100:08:49,230 --> 00:08:51,330do they have one click inagreement? We should we'll find14200:08:51,330 --> 00:08:53,610out more later. But they haveone click integration.14300:08:54,030 --> 00:08:58,230Negative no one clickintegration yet. That's that's14400:08:58,260 --> 00:09:02,400that's supposedly on the on theroadmap. Because math14500:09:03,060 --> 00:09:07,890just appeared overnight. I toldyou that we were seeing14600:09:07,890 --> 00:09:10,260competition in the hostingbusiness again. It's really14700:09:10,260 --> 00:09:11,970beautiful. I love watching this,14800:09:12,510 --> 00:09:17,730you know, went back. I don't Idon't always do this. But I went14900:09:17,730 --> 00:09:25,440back and listened to last week'sshow. And you said something on15000:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,640there that I had sort of myth?No, no, it's not that you'd said15100:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,000something there that I've kindof missed the first time around.15200:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,500Yeah. And but I think you're Ithink you're dead on I think15300:09:37,500 --> 00:09:42,120what's happened? You You madethe comment. It was something15400:09:42,120 --> 00:09:48,240like the hosting companies havebeen sort of all in the same15500:09:49,710 --> 00:09:54,480mark mindset of trying toproduce dynamic ad insertion or15600:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,750dynamic content. Let's just callit dynamic content because it's15700:09:57,750 --> 00:10:03,510not all ads. Um, There's been abig dynamic content push. Yeah.15800:10:04,140 --> 00:10:08,970And I think a lot of the hostingcompany brain power has been15900:10:08,970 --> 00:10:14,640tied up in trying to get that upand going from, you know, let's16000:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,500just say I mean, from acompetition standpoint, I mean,16100:10:16,500 --> 00:10:19,410there's everybody's doing it. Soyou really have to do that, too.16200:10:20,160 --> 00:10:26,160But then, you know, once thatis, once that's done, and it's16300:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,950getting to the end stages ofthat is becoming a thing that's16400:10:28,950 --> 00:10:32,100come out, not commoditized. Butthere's becoming a common thing16500:10:32,100 --> 00:10:35,550around the around the hosting,didn't didn't now you're like,16600:10:35,550 --> 00:10:40,680Okay, what do we do next? Right.And and what's next? Is this.16700:10:41,340 --> 00:10:44,520There's this big slate ofpodcasting 2.0 features that are16800:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,340out there that are just sort of,I wouldn't say low hanging16900:10:47,340 --> 00:10:50,280fruit, because that implies thatit's easy when it's not exactly.17000:10:50,700 --> 00:10:55,140But there's just this bigrepertoire to choose from, okay,17100:10:55,350 --> 00:10:59,280I have potentially 10 differentfeatures I can add, which which17200:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,060ones do I want? And I thinkwe're starting to see is, is17300:11:03,060 --> 00:11:04,500movement on those things?17400:11:04,890 --> 00:11:10,800Oh, absolutely. It's, well,maybe I should backtrack and say17500:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,670how appreciative I am I, youknow, considering my new17600:11:14,670 --> 00:11:18,180international lifestyle of valuefor value, and how appreciative17700:11:18,210 --> 00:11:22,590I am of where we are now. We'realmost two years in, it'll be17800:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,680Episode 100, or 104. I guess isthat would we're close to you.17900:11:28,710 --> 00:11:31,020When did we start? We should weshould track this down?18000:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,420Never know this stuff? Don't18100:11:33,420 --> 00:11:36,390you have an installed log orsomething for the first first18200:11:36,390 --> 00:11:41,250machine that we brought out? Thefirst RSS feed suckers?18300:11:41,910 --> 00:11:46,920Again, I can tell you when wegot our first bill for Linode.18400:11:47,430 --> 00:11:50,040All right, yeah, that would thatwould be useful. Yeah, that that18500:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,610would be about that. That wouldbe right. So within two years,18600:11:53,910 --> 00:11:56,520and it doesn't feel like twoyears, it just feels like we18700:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,300just been just getting startedfor some reason. It doesn't feel18800:12:00,300 --> 00:12:03,180like two years, but everybodywho has participated everybody18900:12:03,180 --> 00:12:07,260who's supported the projectfinancially, all the developers19000:12:07,260 --> 00:12:10,170everybody on podcasts index dotsocial people who contribute to19100:12:10,170 --> 00:12:16,560the GitHub. So you know, hostingcompanies podcasters interested19200:12:16,560 --> 00:12:22,440parties, no agenda nation. Justso many people are have have19300:12:22,470 --> 00:12:26,100brought us to where we aretoday. Where holy moly, I mean,19400:12:26,100 --> 00:12:30,930crap. We have integration, wehave Interop We have people19500:12:30,930 --> 00:12:34,410integrating this into theirworkflows. There's talk about19600:12:34,410 --> 00:12:38,010it. I mean, I'm, I look at getalby.com and they have a whole19700:12:38,010 --> 00:12:39,810value for value explanation.19800:12:41,100 --> 00:12:43,470I love you better than ours.Yeah, hell19900:12:43,470 --> 00:12:47,610yeah. But and but this was alsokind of the idea is like20000:12:47,640 --> 00:12:53,130podcasting markets itself. It'sthe podcasters talking the the,20100:12:53,580 --> 00:12:56,340the audiences listen, theyparticipate, they get into the20200:12:56,340 --> 00:12:59,910game, they tell otherpodcasters. You know, that's how20300:12:59,910 --> 00:13:03,870it's always kind of supposed tosupposed to work, and it does.20400:13:07,380 --> 00:13:09,810And I'm just blown away by it.You know, it's like, it's I've20500:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,110had so many ventures in my life,by far, this is the most20600:13:13,110 --> 00:13:18,300successful, the most fun, andthe most rewarding. The any, and20700:13:18,300 --> 00:13:20,940we're broke, of course, we'rebroke, but otherwise,20800:13:22,230 --> 00:13:25,350which well, I'll say that forour guests, because I want to20900:13:25,350 --> 00:13:27,840get their take on this as well.But now I think you're right.21000:13:28,560 --> 00:13:34,530There's, there's there'smovement, I think, but in that,21100:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,530because of what we talked abouta while ago with the you know,21200:13:37,530 --> 00:13:40,260with the just the hostingparadigm and the way that they21300:13:40,260 --> 00:13:43,980move forward with things, butalso think that there's21400:13:43,980 --> 00:13:47,700beginning to be a betterunderstanding of what, and this21500:13:47,700 --> 00:13:51,000is probably probably this ispart of just project maturity.21600:13:52,590 --> 00:13:56,100There is there's probably a Idon't know this, for sure21700:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,040certain, but I can imaginethere's a there's a sort of21800:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,070maturity curve that comes alongwith any open source project21900:14:02,070 --> 00:14:05,430that's long, this sort of a longterm project like this. Sure,22000:14:05,460 --> 00:14:09,090sure. And so, you know, me andUtah, talked to some people this22100:14:09,090 --> 00:14:14,760week and had a really goodconversation. And we did. We22200:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,120did.22300:14:15,210 --> 00:14:21,630Oh, I remember, two days ago.Sorry, man, I'm on main monitor22400:14:21,630 --> 00:14:24,510hell, okay. COVID. Very long.22500:14:25,860 --> 00:14:30,300And so you were talking to them,and that this just came up in22600:14:30,300 --> 00:14:37,620that discussion, to where as wehad to get some of these tags22700:14:37,620 --> 00:14:42,480and things features into thenamespace that didn't at the22800:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,070time look like they made. Theydidn't look compelling. Maybe22900:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,750things like an alternateenclosure. And it's like, okay,23000:14:51,750 --> 00:14:57,330well, this thing's good to have.And it's an it's neat. And,23100:14:57,450 --> 00:15:01,620yeah, in a perfect world, itwould be great. But I mean, I'm23200:15:01,620 --> 00:15:04,980really not going to spend anydeveloper time on it. Because I23300:15:04,980 --> 00:15:10,920mean, who cares. But then, asthe project matures, and you23400:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,790begin to have these other layersthat develop, so then you then23500:15:14,790 --> 00:15:18,810you go to things like the liveitem, right? With a live item.23600:15:19,410 --> 00:15:25,110Alter enclosure makes way moresense. Social interaction makes23700:15:25,110 --> 00:15:29,220way more sense. Medium makes waymore, it's kind23800:15:29,220 --> 00:15:32,490of like we have like, we builtthis stack of stuff. And now23900:15:32,490 --> 00:15:35,430when you start to see theapplications, like the LIVE TAG24000:15:35,430 --> 00:15:38,220come on top of it, that's whereit all really comes together,24100:15:38,220 --> 00:15:40,710because we have all those thosebuilding blocks that we can just24200:15:40,710 --> 00:15:41,340pull from.24300:15:41,939 --> 00:15:44,789Yeah, yeah, I think so. And soyou have to go through that sort24400:15:44,789 --> 00:15:48,599of dole period where you'rebuilding things that nobody sees24500:15:48,599 --> 00:15:53,819the the usefulness in, and thenyou put one piece in, and all of24600:15:53,819 --> 00:15:57,629a sudden, it all makes sense,right? And then in I think that24700:15:57,629 --> 00:16:01,439also delivers a level of trustto like, Okay, well, there was a24800:16:01,439 --> 00:16:04,859long term vision here, andthat's what this we can trust.24900:16:04,859 --> 00:16:04,949And25000:16:05,850 --> 00:16:08,700what was that long term vision,Dave, now that we were starting25100:16:08,700 --> 00:16:14,160to show poverty, right? I don'tthink we had a defined vision25200:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,390other than, well, exactly whatwe're doing is like, put25300:16:18,390 --> 00:16:21,000everything in that at least ifthere's an implementation, put25400:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,390it in25500:16:22,380 --> 00:16:25,290the project. See that, andthat's what's beautiful about is25600:16:25,290 --> 00:16:29,160the project itself has a has avision that the individual25700:16:29,160 --> 00:16:34,440people itself can understand.The market, almost you could25800:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,190call it a market, I guess. Ithink it's beautiful. It's a25900:16:38,190 --> 00:16:40,950beautiful. It's an emergentproperty man.26000:16:42,630 --> 00:16:47,070I would say that. It also tookpeople a little while to26100:16:47,070 --> 00:16:49,530understand that there was such athing, it's just an open26200:16:49,530 --> 00:16:55,050project. And yes, yes, you couldjust tap into it. And no,26300:16:55,050 --> 00:16:59,250there's no, there's no realregistration, signup, fee, etc,26400:16:59,250 --> 00:17:03,480etc, it's value for value. And Ithink that that in combination26500:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,270with the streaming value forvalue in the booster grabs, has26600:17:06,270 --> 00:17:10,560kicked off something biggerthan, than I expected. That's26700:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,380why I say the internationallifestyle is with us.26800:17:13,889 --> 00:17:20,039I was thinking about this thismorning about this is a this is26900:17:20,039 --> 00:17:23,459a difficult, but it's very Erosvery rewarding. And it's been,27000:17:23,609 --> 00:17:27,239you know, and I'm encouraged bythe success and things, but it's27100:17:27,239 --> 00:17:31,919also extremely difficult.Because I was having a27200:17:31,919 --> 00:17:34,799conversation back and forth onTwitter with Tanner Campbell27300:17:34,799 --> 00:17:40,049about value for value. And, youknow, he was, you know,27400:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,619aggravated about the low amountsof SATs and things like that.27500:17:43,619 --> 00:17:47,699And, you know, saying, you know,this value for value means I get27600:17:47,699 --> 00:17:50,60925 cents, you know, for my hardwork with any of this visit27700:17:50,609 --> 00:17:55,799bullshit. And that, you know,the thing is, that's the part27800:17:55,799 --> 00:18:00,059that's difficult about it, isthat this is the podcasting. 2.027900:18:00,059 --> 00:18:08,309is not it's not a, it's not onepiece of something. It's, it's,28000:18:08,459 --> 00:18:16,139it's code. It's, it's this show,it's the product, the community28100:18:16,169 --> 00:18:19,829of discussions that happen isthe project management in the28200:18:19,829 --> 00:18:24,119GitHub. And then it's also thiscritical evangelism piece, where28300:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,439you have to be constantly, like,explaining the vision and28400:18:28,439 --> 00:18:32,129explaining all these things.Because if you take any one of28500:18:32,129 --> 00:18:35,219those pieces out, the wholething fails. And so it's it28600:18:35,219 --> 00:18:40,949really requires, like, that's,when I'm driving my truck. It's28700:18:40,949 --> 00:18:46,379a three on, you know, three on atree. So it looks like it's like28800:18:46,379 --> 00:18:50,309an all when you're when you'redriving that it's it required28900:18:50,339 --> 00:18:54,509every bit of you to maintain tomaintain driving, you know, both29000:18:54,509 --> 00:18:57,119arms are working, both legs areworking, you know, in you know,29100:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,909you gotta stay you gotta stayfully engaged, or else you know,29200:18:59,909 --> 00:19:02,279the whole thing flops. Yeah, andthat is what it feels like with29300:19:02,279 --> 00:19:07,049it's just, it requires all of itrequires all of you to be29400:19:07,049 --> 00:19:13,859engaged, or else, it just fades,or it falls or flops in that29500:19:13,859 --> 00:19:16,259regard has been the hardestthing there's I've ever done.29600:19:16,410 --> 00:19:21,720There's also a an expectation,when in technology in general,29700:19:22,950 --> 00:19:26,220that it's just automaticallyworks. And then the magic money29800:19:26,220 --> 00:19:30,060drops out the back end spitsvalue for value, you just get29900:19:30,060 --> 00:19:35,520the fountain app, and it justworks. You get money. No. And I30000:19:35,550 --> 00:19:40,230would have to see the exchangewith Tanner. But this is this is30100:19:40,380 --> 00:19:45,990a downside of the comments thatFountain has implemented, which30200:19:45,990 --> 00:19:52,050by default are very low 10 SATsor maybe 20 SATs. So I think30300:19:52,050 --> 00:19:54,990someone who was just using itfor the first time doesn't get30400:19:54,990 --> 00:19:59,940the same experience. Whereas ifyou integrate it into the you're30500:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,290you're programming itself, andyou have the feedback loop and30600:20:04,290 --> 00:20:09,030you ask for value in return forvalue, the numbers will be much30700:20:09,030 --> 00:20:13,200higher, but there's this instantgratification type, I just30800:20:13,230 --> 00:20:17,340connect to this I register I, Isign up, and I'm good to go. And30900:20:17,340 --> 00:20:20,070the money keeps the money dropsin which I think people also31000:20:20,070 --> 00:20:23,820believe will happen withadvertising. None of which is31100:20:23,820 --> 00:20:30,450true. So it's, it's so much morethan just a bunch of31200:20:30,450 --> 00:20:34,590technologies it to me, it'supgraded podcasting, and the31300:20:34,590 --> 00:20:41,250whole concept of podcasting orthe from the the interactivity31400:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,620of podcasting. It's what peoplehave been talking about for a31500:20:43,620 --> 00:20:46,740long time. It needs to be moreinteractive. Well, here it is,31600:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,480but you do have to work at it.31700:20:49,379 --> 00:20:52,109See, that's the thing that I youknow, you I think you nailed it,31800:20:52,109 --> 00:20:58,469because we you have there's thevalue for value philosophy, part31900:20:58,469 --> 00:21:01,259of it has been by far thehardest thing to explain to32000:21:01,259 --> 00:21:07,679people. Yeah, it's, it's a mind.It's a mind Twister. Because,32100:21:08,219 --> 00:21:12,119like, what Tanner was sayingwas, you know, essentially, you32200:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,659know, this I have, I have avaluable thing here and in32300:21:15,869 --> 00:21:20,429people are, you know, this diva,the fact that somebody can give32400:21:20,429 --> 00:21:24,719me 25 cents, devalues thevaluable thing that I'm giving32500:21:24,719 --> 00:21:25,139away?32600:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,590Oh, that's fantastic. Becausewhat he's doing is he is valuing32700:21:28,590 --> 00:21:32,220his own work very highly, whichis, of course appropriate. But32800:21:32,220 --> 00:21:35,790he has no right to determine thevalue for someone on the other32900:21:35,790 --> 00:21:39,810end, he can't do that. Yes, hehas no idea. And so he's forcing33000:21:39,810 --> 00:21:42,960this idea of how valuable it is,which is actually kind of33100:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,750arrogant. But also this?33200:21:46,170 --> 00:21:48,450Yeah, that's what I told him. Iwas like, well, you you can't,33300:21:48,810 --> 00:21:53,130you can't determine somebodyelse's value. And he gave the33400:21:53,130 --> 00:21:56,700example of, you know, what aboutan art gallery or a lemonade33500:21:56,700 --> 00:22:00,390stand, you know, you can't justgive that stuff away. But, but33600:22:00,390 --> 00:22:01,020the fact is,33700:22:01,050 --> 00:22:03,570those are physical products,it's a little different with a33800:22:03,570 --> 00:22:05,910digital product, like a podcast,33900:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,780there is that. But there's alsothe fact that there's lots of34000:22:09,780 --> 00:22:11,640people that are never going tocome, they're never going to34100:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,730stop at your lemonade stand youright. And those are the people34200:22:14,730 --> 00:22:16,860those are the freeloaders,essentially, those are the34300:22:16,860 --> 00:22:21,360people that didn't value youryour your product high enough to34400:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,760pay you for it, it's just alittle bit different here34500:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,910because they can listen forfree, if they want to. But the34600:22:27,180 --> 00:22:30,120the fact remains, the reasonthey're not paying you whether34700:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,600it's lemonade or a podcast isthe same and either in either34800:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,680case, is they don't value youenough to pay you. They don't34900:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,650value your product high enoughto pay you and you can't change35000:22:40,650 --> 00:22:46,410that. You can't do it you youcan't extract, you can't go into35100:22:46,410 --> 00:22:49,770value for value thinking thatwhat you're doing is what you're35200:22:49,770 --> 00:22:54,690going to do is extract the valuethat you place on your show35300:22:54,810 --> 00:22:56,670exactly from the audience.35400:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,330That's it doesn't work that way,believe me, I think I should be35500:23:00,330 --> 00:23:03,690making much more money in my ownmind,35600:23:04,230 --> 00:23:10,710to all you can do, all you cando is is, is engage with your35700:23:10,710 --> 00:23:15,060audience in a way that's provento help you extract the value35800:23:15,060 --> 00:23:20,220that they put in it. Becausethey if they value it, you can35900:23:20,220 --> 00:23:24,000help them understand that theyneed to give it back to you. If36000:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,120they don't, they'll never giveit back to you regardless.36100:23:28,170 --> 00:23:34,050Even if they find it valuable.Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway,36200:23:34,170 --> 00:23:38,490I want to talk more value for avalue with our guest today in36300:23:38,490 --> 00:23:42,750the in the boardroom by the way.According to Burberry, the very36400:23:42,750 --> 00:23:47,430first episode of podcasting 2.0came out on September 11 2020.36500:23:48,300 --> 00:23:55,770No way Yeah, about that.bombshell. bombshell.36600:23:56,100 --> 00:23:58,740Well, there you go conspiracytheory. I didn't even know it.36700:23:58,740 --> 00:23:59,910This is a great conspiracytheory.36800:23:59,940 --> 00:24:04,710I think so. It's an it's a newstart a new project for a New36900:24:04,710 --> 00:24:05,880American Century.37000:24:06,180 --> 00:24:07,440A building seven. Yeah.37100:24:08,580 --> 00:24:11,610It was bringing our guest todaythey are new to the podcasting37200:24:11,610 --> 00:24:15,300scene and they just kind ofburst on coming from the world37300:24:15,300 --> 00:24:19,920of the Lightning Network. Nowintegrated into rss.com Cast DOS37400:24:20,220 --> 00:24:24,720and many other podcasting 2.0products please welcome. I37500:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,830believe that two co founders ofAlby Miko boomin and Moritz37600:24:28,830 --> 00:24:29,460Kaminski.37700:24:31,650 --> 00:24:34,530I ever everybody. Thanks forhaving me.37800:24:35,250 --> 00:24:39,150Hey, all right. Okay, so we haveMichael you're also known as37900:24:39,150 --> 00:24:42,360Bhumi on on podcast index onsocial38000:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,020that's that's me. Exactly.Mostly on the internet. I go to38100:24:46,020 --> 00:24:46,290me38200:24:46,380 --> 00:24:51,180Bumi and Morris, do we have anickname for you? Oh, no, it's38300:24:51,180 --> 00:24:52,920just more words. or more.38400:24:54,540 --> 00:24:57,330Yeah, the Deutsche Mark. Okay, Ilike it. Perfect38500:24:57,360 --> 00:25:03,060Malema. Who does what who and MoMo is the money man and Bumi is38600:25:03,060 --> 00:25:04,440the programmer. Is that how thisworks?38700:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,810Yeah, it's like this. So notreally money, man. But I do a38800:25:09,810 --> 00:25:12,780lot of project management withthe IV project.38900:25:13,650 --> 00:25:16,020Okay, I just thought you weresome I thought you were like a39000:25:16,020 --> 00:25:17,670billionaire, and you justbankrolled the whole thing.39100:25:22,890 --> 00:25:25,710All right, now let's, let's getthis set up, because all of a39200:25:25,710 --> 00:25:29,400sudden Alby came out, I heardabout it actually from I think39300:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,310Roy from breeze he said, Hey,these guys are doing something39400:25:32,310 --> 00:25:38,640interesting. It is, in a way,similar to what podcasting 2.039500:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,570has been using with LNP as anexample, but you clearly have a39600:25:42,570 --> 00:25:47,940broader vision since you camefrom. You kind of entered the39700:25:47,940 --> 00:25:54,090market with your browserextension. Tell me how it39800:25:54,090 --> 00:25:58,770started. And then if you don'tmind, how you guys found39900:25:58,770 --> 00:26:02,400podcasting 2.0. And kind of abrief history, I guess, of the40000:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,490past year or so it doesn't seemthat very that long, you've had40100:26:05,490 --> 00:26:06,240this up and running?40200:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,260Yeah, a lot of things happen ina short period of time. Exactly.40300:26:10,980 --> 00:26:16,110So yeah, the brief history wouldprobably be, I was always40400:26:16,110 --> 00:26:21,840excited about the idea ofbringing value streams to the40500:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,640internet, to interview. And Ithink that was missing. So far,40600:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,990we couldn't transfer value thesame way that we could transfer40700:26:30,990 --> 00:26:37,380information online. And this iswhen I actually also discovered40800:26:37,380 --> 00:26:40,650Bitcoin, and especially theLightning Network, which was got40900:26:40,650 --> 00:26:44,850me excited because I thinkthere, we now suddenly have a41000:26:44,940 --> 00:26:49,350protocol, like a system thatmakes this possible. We have41100:26:49,350 --> 00:26:53,850this programmable magic good.And that internet money now. And41200:26:54,330 --> 00:26:58,260the idea now is, what can we dowith that? And what happens if41300:26:58,290 --> 00:27:03,480we bring that value stream tointeractions that we do online?41400:27:03,900 --> 00:27:09,570And that's kind of the questionand the idea that got me started41500:27:09,600 --> 00:27:16,560on coding and programming whatlater became lb, which was first41600:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,880a browser extension, browserextension for that reason,41700:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,910because if we want to bring thisvalue stream to develop, I'm41800:27:26,910 --> 00:27:29,400interacting with the web is theprocess that we have to teach41900:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,510the browser, basically, how touse the Lightning Network and42000:27:33,510 --> 00:27:35,370how to transfer value. Andthat's what we do with the42100:27:35,370 --> 00:27:41,250browser extension. And yeah,this is, this is how it started.42200:27:41,250 --> 00:27:44,610I mean, there have been a bunchof open source projects, doing42300:27:44,610 --> 00:27:47,850similar things, you know, we allStanding on the Shoulder of42400:27:47,850 --> 00:27:54,780Giants here. And a lot of thingshas happened in the, in the last42500:27:54,780 --> 00:28:05,640in the last year. And regards topodcasting, or podcasting, 2.0 I42600:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,120think the pot like when I'dfirst discovered I don't42700:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,600remember actually when I firstdiscovered the podcasting 2.042800:28:12,600 --> 00:28:19,680world. But I remember that I wasas excited as when I first heard42900:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,430about podcasting back then andRSS back then, like, I don't43000:28:23,430 --> 00:28:27,450know, 15 years ago, or whateverthat was, and was blown away by43100:28:27,450 --> 00:28:31,830the innovation that we seethere. And by the new tools and43200:28:31,830 --> 00:28:36,480the new building blocks thathave been described there. And43300:28:36,510 --> 00:28:39,330especially the Yeah, obviously,especially the value tag,43400:28:39,330 --> 00:28:44,220because that's fits fits veryvalid to the idea that I just43500:28:44,220 --> 00:28:49,140described of, of transferringvalue from, from the listener43600:28:49,140 --> 00:28:53,700from the consumer to the, to theproducer to the Creator. And the43700:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,730way that you have a saying likethe value for value lifestyle.43800:28:57,300 --> 00:29:02,190And yeah, that's how I thinkthese things came together43900:29:03,000 --> 00:29:10,860to give me an idea of, of theoperation itself, you just have44000:29:10,860 --> 00:29:16,260one giant node and you have yourkind of your account management44100:29:16,260 --> 00:29:19,950system on top of that. How doesit actually work?44200:29:21,210 --> 00:29:26,400I mean, one goal that we have isand you've been talking before44300:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,570about building blocks, right?And I think slowly, we have all44400:29:30,570 --> 00:29:33,480these building blocks. We as alightning community, we as a44500:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,140podcasting 2.0 community, wehave all these building blocks44600:29:37,140 --> 00:29:41,550and tools slowly together, thatwe can build applications that44700:29:41,550 --> 00:29:43,800we can get closer to the userand that we can build44800:29:43,800 --> 00:29:50,040application on top of that. Andso our focus for sure is we want44900:29:50,040 --> 00:29:56,250to experiment with things. Whatcan what we can build on top of45000:29:56,250 --> 00:29:59,100that, get to this applicationlayer and also want to make it45100:29:59,100 --> 00:30:03,330easier for people to buildapplications there, but that's45200:30:03,330 --> 00:30:07,110kind of the goal. In the end,you want that every basic, every45300:30:07,110 --> 00:30:12,360web developer can build toolsaround there. And so the45400:30:12,360 --> 00:30:18,660usability is one focus that wehave. Still, obviously, we want45500:30:18,660 --> 00:30:20,820to have it, that's the greatthing. We want to have it45600:30:20,820 --> 00:30:24,780interoperable. We put it on thisinteroperable open network, we45700:30:24,780 --> 00:30:29,670have multiple nodes running. Andwhat we also do, especially in45800:30:29,670 --> 00:30:32,760the extension, is that peoplecan connect their own nodes,45900:30:32,790 --> 00:30:37,530right? So kind of we have thisopen, it's an open to it, right?46000:30:37,530 --> 00:30:42,510So we can either run it for youto get you started. Or if you're46100:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,630like, a bit more advanced, andtools also make that easier to46200:30:45,630 --> 00:30:49,920do, you can run your own node.And yeah, I think that's the46300:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,250beauty because it's, it's, it'sopen, it's inclusive. It's for46400:30:56,250 --> 00:31:02,760every spectrum of knowledge,user on on every spectrum, the46500:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,890whole spectrum of knowledge canbasically use it.46600:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,140How does that work on the on theconnector on Node side? So46700:31:10,170 --> 00:31:13,200because I see it, does theextension itself actually46800:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,090communicate with with lnd?Through through G RPC or rest or46900:31:18,090 --> 00:31:21,600something like that? When youwhen you put that in there? Yes,47000:31:21,630 --> 00:31:24,960yes, exactly. Basically, weabstracted all the different47100:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,700interfaces, and also tried toexpose one common interface47200:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,060there on the web. That's apple,and like the span of apple and47300:31:33,060 --> 00:31:37,350how a website integrates withthis lightning there. And47400:31:37,530 --> 00:31:40,200basically, I think they have youdid a bit of the heart to heart47500:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,230work in writing all theseconnectors?47600:31:43,530 --> 00:31:45,870Yeah, that is a lot of hardwork. Because you have I mean,47700:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,540with with lightning, withlightning nodes. So at least47800:31:51,540 --> 00:31:55,530with lnd, there's one protocol,I think, see, lightning didn't I47900:31:55,530 --> 00:31:59,430don't think they even had aprotocol until recently. Or like48000:31:59,430 --> 00:32:02,850an exposed API, correct me ifI'm wrong, but I mean, pretty48100:32:02,850 --> 00:32:05,490much every implementation, eventhough they all speak a common48200:32:05,490 --> 00:32:08,190language on the LightningNetwork itself, they don't all48300:32:08,190 --> 00:32:10,920speak the same language when itcomes to interfacing with their48400:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,610software.48500:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,540Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's alot of48600:32:15,540 --> 00:32:17,100hard work. You gotta respectfrom me, brother.48700:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,240But I think this is, this issuper important to understand48800:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,860here that there is the ABIbrowser extension, this is what48900:32:25,860 --> 00:32:29,220we see one important buildingblock when it comes to sort of49000:32:29,250 --> 00:32:32,790building the bridge between yourprivate lightning wallet and,49100:32:33,270 --> 00:32:38,100and lightning application on theweb. And then there is also the49200:32:38,310 --> 00:32:42,300IP wallet, but is more like yourspendings account, right? And49300:32:42,330 --> 00:32:46,020you can use both together, ifyou want you can you connect the49400:32:46,020 --> 00:32:49,500RP wallet, to the browserextension, and then spend your49500:32:49,500 --> 00:32:54,720SATs online or wherever youwant. Or you can also use the49600:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,740ALI browser extension withoutthe LV wallet. But then with49700:32:58,740 --> 00:33:02,520your own note in a noncustodialway and to be for us, it's just49800:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,770important that the user has thechoice how how to use the49900:33:07,830 --> 00:33:12,450browser extension. And we don'twant to give them like, we don't50000:33:12,450 --> 00:33:15,630want to force them to dosomething this day. So they50100:33:15,630 --> 00:33:20,400should decide themselves. Andwell we can just do is we can50200:33:20,430 --> 00:33:25,530just build the best service forfor them so that they don't have50300:33:25,530 --> 00:33:29,460any other reason to not use, forexample, the the IV wallet,50400:33:29,580 --> 00:33:31,260because it's just so easy touse.50500:33:32,250 --> 00:33:35,280And more. Maybe this isappropriate question for you.50600:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,330How are you guys structured? Iknow, do you have investors? Is50700:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,900your own money? Do you have atimeline? A basically a plan? I50800:33:45,900 --> 00:33:49,140mean, it's what you're doing isphenomenal. And everyone was50900:33:49,140 --> 00:33:52,140kind of wondering how or whenyou'd like to make money, what51000:33:52,140 --> 00:33:54,180what is kind of the businessbackground here.51100:33:55,620 --> 00:34:00,450So IV itself is like whatstarted as an open source51200:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,670project was, well, some somepeople came together, building51300:34:06,420 --> 00:34:12,120the building cool tools, goodsoftware together. And we are51400:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,300also part of, for example of theBitcoin design community, it's51500:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,510really like part of a of abigger, bigger ecosystem now.51600:34:18,930 --> 00:34:23,520But we also realized at somepoint that if we want to like51700:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,880also contribute back to the tothe open source community in a51800:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,030way that is also likesustainable if or if we if we51900:34:33,030 --> 00:34:38,460want to provide service tousers, this is something that is52000:34:38,460 --> 00:34:45,660very hard to do in a pure open,like open source funding status.52100:34:45,690 --> 00:34:51,930So that's why we also decided toto create an organization out of52200:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,930Rb that is able to raise funds,for example, that is able to do52300:34:57,930 --> 00:35:01,800all the legal things that areneeded for it. sample in order52400:35:01,800 --> 00:35:09,630to operate a custodial wallet ina compliant way. And that is52500:35:09,630 --> 00:35:13,830also able for example to, toearn some money to contribute52600:35:13,830 --> 00:35:19,530back, for example to to theusers proper support systems, or52700:35:19,530 --> 00:35:22,350just to the open sourcecommunity by, for example,52800:35:22,350 --> 00:35:28,920funding and giving bounties. Andyeah, when it comes to to A to B52900:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,110to business at the end, therealso needs to flow in some some53000:35:34,110 --> 00:35:40,350some revenue, right. And to getthere, we are thinking about53100:35:40,380 --> 00:35:44,310different different premiumservices on top. But we are not53200:35:44,310 --> 00:35:49,050yet there where we actually havethis, like, very concrete53300:35:49,050 --> 00:35:52,800service that we that we want tocharge for right now in done53400:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,140that we can charge for anAmerican confident way.53500:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,970Right. And I guess the the bigquestion, there is the53600:35:59,970 --> 00:36:02,790regulations. I mean, did youhave any concerns? Do you have53700:36:02,790 --> 00:36:08,130any insight? The EU seems to bemoving a little faster than the53800:36:08,130 --> 00:36:11,190US? I mean, what are yourthoughts there for custodial53900:36:11,190 --> 00:36:12,330services like this?54000:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,850Yeah, it's definitelychallenging, especially for a54100:36:17,850 --> 00:36:24,060young organization. But thereare ways to do that to solve54200:36:24,060 --> 00:36:27,780that. So it's not like that youhave to apply yourself for54300:36:27,780 --> 00:36:32,820licenses, for example, but thereare also partner companies out54400:36:32,820 --> 00:36:37,320there that help you to get toget these licenses. And this is54500:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,900what we are currently working onwith Adobe, for example,54600:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,990starting with, starting with theUS where we see a lot of54700:36:45,990 --> 00:36:50,850traction from from from from theuser side, mainly, but then also54800:36:51,090 --> 00:36:56,190the next step for Europe. Butyeah, I mean, regulations is54900:36:56,190 --> 00:36:59,760definitely a challenge and thedead that the problem is also55000:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,110that they're constantly moving.55100:37:04,020 --> 00:37:06,480No one knows what they'retalking about. Of course, that's55200:37:06,510 --> 00:37:09,990the confusing part. Oh, man, I'mso I'm so happy you guys came55300:37:09,990 --> 00:37:14,490into our life. This is this isit's beautiful. I mean, you just55400:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,700out of nowhere, boom, youcompletely got the value for55500:37:17,700 --> 00:37:24,870value. Proposition. It's, it'sreally been mind blowing just as55600:37:25,230 --> 00:37:28,770this is pure, interrupt, right.This is what I love. We you55700:37:28,770 --> 00:37:31,440know, we didn't sign anyagreements with anybody, no one55800:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,590has contracts. It's just Oh,connect into the protocol and55900:37:34,590 --> 00:37:38,880Bumi. You're You're, you're goodto go. Yeah, no,56000:37:39,030 --> 00:37:41,460I think that's the that's thebeauty of it. The56100:37:41,460 --> 00:37:47,550interoperability is, I think, akey value here. Right? So cannot56200:37:47,550 --> 00:37:51,840be a ds ds applications that areinteroperable. And people can56300:37:51,840 --> 00:37:58,380build the best tools for fortheir users. And yeah, as I56400:37:58,380 --> 00:38:02,880said, amazing. It's amazing tobe here. And56500:38:04,290 --> 00:38:09,120how do you one thing I've beenwondering is on the on the app56600:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,390side, so what what a lot of appsare using right now is Ellen56700:38:12,390 --> 00:38:17,130pay. And Ellen pay seems to havealthough y'all there's more56800:38:17,130 --> 00:38:20,130interaction points, you'll havea bigger sort of56900:38:20,490 --> 00:38:25,500interoperability ecosystem forlack of a better term, where57000:38:25,530 --> 00:38:30,450you're having connectors betweenwallets and, and, you know,57100:38:30,450 --> 00:38:33,930outbound inbound these sorts ofthings. But I mean, from a from57200:38:33,930 --> 00:38:38,970a sort of, I guess, frameworkpoint of view, it seems it57300:38:38,970 --> 00:38:43,110sounds like it's still just abasic, like accounting layer on57400:38:43,110 --> 00:38:49,560top of on top of a node. And sofrom that standpoint, you could57500:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,960do integrations directly, Iwould think you could do57600:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,100integrations directly with theapps with podcasting apps and57700:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,710that kind of thing so that theycan, if a podcasting app wanted57800:38:58,710 --> 00:39:02,580to use you, instead of Alvie,instead of LM pay that that57900:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,170should be doable. Is that right?58000:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,710That's, that's doable. Yeah, Iwould go one step back here.58100:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,990Again, I would mention onethought, or one idea that we're58200:39:15,990 --> 00:39:21,720following is that actually userscan bring their lightning58300:39:21,720 --> 00:39:26,340wallet, their lightning accountsto applications, meaning that I58400:39:26,340 --> 00:39:29,160don't have to create on thedifferent applications on the58500:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,350different tools like on thedifferent podcasting tools, for58600:39:31,350 --> 00:39:35,790example, different wallets, thatI have to top up where I have58700:39:35,790 --> 00:39:40,080more than the money to spend orto receive, but that I have58800:39:40,230 --> 00:39:43,740accounts that have one account,and I can bring that account to58900:39:43,740 --> 00:39:45,870these applications. And that'salso the beauty of59000:39:45,870 --> 00:39:48,240interoperability, I think, andthat's a bit of a difference59100:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,910that we have to route that we'rethat we're going59200:39:50,940 --> 00:39:56,280Ah, okay, so, you're lookingmore like Al b is your personal59300:39:56,310 --> 00:39:59,970I think, I think Mo said thatyour personal spending account.59400:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,680Your spending wallet. And theidea is to basically interrupt59500:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,460with as many applications aspossible and have people use59600:40:08,490 --> 00:40:13,470Alby as their, as their, as yousaid as their spending account,59700:40:13,470 --> 00:40:16,230which is a huge responsibilityfor you guys actually.59800:40:17,970 --> 00:40:23,790Yeah, I mean, this is a bit theidea that that the59900:40:23,790 --> 00:40:29,520interoperability idea here, andthat it's that that you60000:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,880basically provide API's, butopen API's. So we are building60100:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,370on open systems here. So it'sall interoperable. It doesn't60200:40:35,370 --> 00:40:39,600even need to be asked can beothers to about ideas that, yes,60300:40:40,290 --> 00:40:44,160the user has a wallet connectsthat wallet to an application,60400:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,130and that application cancertainly interact with the60500:40:47,130 --> 00:40:48,420Lightning Network and do thingsthere.60600:40:48,990 --> 00:40:51,990So So So are you saying that,let me let me make sure I60700:40:51,990 --> 00:40:58,650understand. So are you sayingthat if I, for instance, if I60800:40:58,650 --> 00:41:01,770know Steven B, I think he'splaying around with hooking up60900:41:01,770 --> 00:41:06,750curio Kassar to lb if so, what Icould Are you saying that I61000:41:06,750 --> 00:41:16,860could hook in my my lb account,excuse me. Let me restart if if61100:41:16,860 --> 00:41:21,810I could take my curio casteraccount and connect it to lb but61200:41:21,810 --> 00:41:26,310not necessarily connected to thelb. Wallet. But I could connect61300:41:26,310 --> 00:41:30,150it to my own node through lb asthe as the proxy.61400:41:32,310 --> 00:41:35,160Not yet. But these are ideasexactly.61500:41:36,150 --> 00:41:39,180Okay, so because that that wouldbe a beaut, that would be a61600:41:39,180 --> 00:41:43,710beautiful thing is to be able tospin you know, quote, unquote,61700:41:43,740 --> 00:41:47,430spin up a wallet in curiocaster, which would be using61800:41:47,430 --> 00:41:53,820Alby but then But then passthrough this connection to my61900:41:53,820 --> 00:41:57,750own node. So that I can say thatI'm using albies API, but it's62000:41:57,750 --> 00:42:00,990really, it's really my own node.That's, that's an62100:42:00,990 --> 00:42:04,650actual idea. I like that. That'svery cool. Yeah. And you62200:42:04,650 --> 00:42:07,080ended so then you've thoughtthat you're on the roadmap for?62300:42:08,850 --> 00:42:11,490Totally, yes. I mean, that'swhat I what I mean a little bit62400:42:11,490 --> 00:42:14,070with when I say, Okay, you haveyour node, you have your wallet62500:42:14,070 --> 00:42:18,090already, we provide you one,yes. But we might already have62600:42:18,090 --> 00:42:22,500one. And you can connect thatone. And there's that one, you62700:42:22,500 --> 00:42:27,120can bring that to all thedifferent applications and use62800:42:27,150 --> 00:42:30,960that one in those differentapplications, to do whatever62900:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,390these applications for the to,to receive, to send, and so on.63000:42:34,050 --> 00:42:36,960And yes, and obviously, theaccounting layer that you talked63100:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,180about. As I said, our focus isdefinitely on usability also.63200:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,740And that's the easiest like tobe the first thing to do, right,63300:42:46,740 --> 00:42:49,650if we want to onboard people,and we want to make it easy for63400:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,620people to get on boarded. Right,we want to make it easy for63500:42:52,620 --> 00:42:58,110people for podcasters tointegrate the value tag there to63600:42:58,110 --> 00:43:02,820receive this magic internetmoney. And but then it's also63700:43:02,820 --> 00:43:07,290about them, growing this thatand having choice and having the63800:43:07,290 --> 00:43:10,680opportunity to do other thingslike that you're describing this63900:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,370running your own node, but thegoal would be to have this one64000:43:14,370 --> 00:43:17,340single API, the one dayinteroperable API there.64100:43:19,980 --> 00:43:24,720And then we've seen this likewith rss.com, for example. And64200:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,930the big shout out to Al fiato.Because he really pushed a lot64300:43:27,930 --> 00:43:31,560to implement that. He thatthat's, that's a great example64400:43:31,560 --> 00:43:37,560of how quick it can beimplemented, and how nice it64500:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,330actually works at the end forthe user. With just two, three64600:43:42,330 --> 00:43:46,860clicks, and, um, you have avalue for value, wallet on64700:43:46,860 --> 00:43:53,340rss.com. I think this is, Iguess, something that that is64800:43:53,430 --> 00:43:56,970sort of an innovation definitelyin this in this space, and has64900:43:56,970 --> 00:44:01,020not been so easy. Before,especially when you think65000:44:01,020 --> 00:44:05,100further because this wallet thatyou now have that you created on65100:44:05,100 --> 00:44:10,620rss.com, you can actually alsouse somewhere else. And these65200:44:10,620 --> 00:44:15,150things together. I think it'ssuper interesting for users.65300:44:15,960 --> 00:44:23,850So how, how well do you sleep atnight? How much do you help? How65400:44:23,850 --> 00:44:25,860much do you wake up at threeo'clock in the morning and65500:44:25,860 --> 00:44:27,780wonder if your node is going tocrash and that kind of thing?65600:44:27,780 --> 00:44:30,330Because this is not for this isall new technology and it's not65700:44:30,330 --> 00:44:34,830for the faint of heart? Are youis that is that stressful on65800:44:34,830 --> 00:44:35,430your life?65900:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,390I mean, it's not just the two ofus, right? We have a we have a66000:44:39,390 --> 00:44:46,050great team together with usworking on it. And they are66100:44:46,050 --> 00:44:47,550they're experts in this field.66200:44:47,730 --> 00:44:52,140Because you know Tim Kay fromLMP I'm sure you all know him.66300:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,170You know he's had stressfultimes with his node as well and66400:44:55,170 --> 00:45:00,780he runs a large node for L andPE and you I know he's called us66500:45:00,780 --> 00:45:03,120before and been, you know, beenstressed out about some bug66600:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,360within lnd that's causing him,you know, sleepless nights and66700:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,240that kind of thing. So I justwonder about how how hard that66800:45:09,240 --> 00:45:10,830is on you running a service likethis,66900:45:11,400 --> 00:45:18,060the thing that that beekeepersactually if I go to the casting,67000:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,690I know GitHub repository and seeall the ideas there and all the67100:45:21,690 --> 00:45:24,930chats with all the innovationhappening. And all these these67200:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,660ideas are there of the thingsthat we can build. This is67300:45:27,660 --> 00:45:28,560actually what keeps me67400:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,890Germans don't give a shit Dave,it's obvious. And like, and we67500:45:34,890 --> 00:45:39,210don't care regulations,regulation. Yeah, they just do67600:45:39,210 --> 00:45:44,100stuff. Yeah, time shmup time.I'm looking at this and like,67700:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,800man, if these guys go down,podcasting is over.67800:45:50,910 --> 00:45:56,670So here's one, here's one thing,we throw this at you. We've been67900:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,750talking about this thing, theVerify tag, and I'm starting to68000:46:00,750 --> 00:46:05,610move on it right now. And we're,it's it's a, it's a way to it,68100:46:05,610 --> 00:46:08,340you'll, you'll see why I'mbringing it up here in a second.68200:46:08,820 --> 00:46:14,550It's a way to verify ownershipof a feed. So currently, you68300:46:14,550 --> 00:46:18,240know, as this old schoolmethodology of your your email68400:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,690address is in the XML of thefeed. And if you're going to68500:46:21,690 --> 00:46:26,700prove, let's say, if I want toconnect my feed, if I want to68600:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,730prove that I'm the owner of afeed, claim, my feed on some68700:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,440third party website, I need tothat that that service has to68800:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,100read my email address, send me acode and my email, I gotta get68900:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,440the code or click theverification link to prove on69000:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,320the owner of that email account,blah, blah, blah. So there's69100:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,780this, there's this back andforth email handshake that goes69200:46:45,780 --> 00:46:50,220on? Well, there's a strong pushright now I'm in podcasting to69300:46:50,220 --> 00:46:54,690get the email addresses out ofthe feeds. It doesn't bother me69400:46:54,690 --> 00:46:58,080so much, but you know, whatever.But I understand that there's a69500:46:58,080 --> 00:47:04,980better way. And the so this thisway is this coming up as the69600:47:04,980 --> 00:47:10,980Verify tag and puff magicfingers. On the GitHub, he wrote69700:47:10,980 --> 00:47:17,430this big, this big, well thoughtout, solution for this based on69800:47:17,670 --> 00:47:22,350based on a handshake and calland URL callbacks. Ultimately,69900:47:23,610 --> 00:47:27,540verifying that you are the ownerof the feed through a J through70000:47:27,540 --> 00:47:32,040a gentle JSON Web Token througha J WT that gets delivered to70100:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,240the service to prove that youare the owner. So my thinking on70200:47:36,240 --> 00:47:42,210this was number one is a goodidea. And number two, it can70300:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,360solve another thing that we'vebeen wanting to do, which is70400:47:45,360 --> 00:47:52,020open subscriptions. So if peoplewant to, if people want to put70500:47:52,020 --> 00:47:57,720their content either behind apaywall or, or want to just have70600:47:57,720 --> 00:48:03,390a subscription mechanism, that'snot tied to something like like70700:48:03,390 --> 00:48:08,580PayPal, for instance, I quote,quote, unquote, subscribe to70800:48:08,580 --> 00:48:12,540multiple shows now through justa cron job key sent. It's really70900:48:12,540 --> 00:48:16,830it's really stupid. But I justhave a cron job set up to send a71000:48:16,830 --> 00:48:19,650designated payment every month.And that's my way of subscribing71100:48:19,650 --> 00:48:23,100so that if I forget to listen tothe show, or if they get behind,71200:48:23,460 --> 00:48:27,480I don't want to miss boostssending them a boost. And so if71300:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,630we have this open subscriptionthing, it could use a similar71400:48:30,630 --> 00:48:37,590model where there's a handshakethat happens between the the71500:48:37,680 --> 00:48:44,220podcast app and the podcastersposting platform that says,71600:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,150Okay, are you are you going tosubscribe to this and you say71700:48:48,150 --> 00:48:55,260yes. And then it delivers a JW Tto you proving that you are that71800:48:55,260 --> 00:48:59,820you've paid or you're asubscriber to to the to the71900:48:59,820 --> 00:49:07,020show. I see this being sort ofin the Alby wheelhouse I mean, I72000:49:07,020 --> 00:49:10,680think that y'all something likean hour be service could be a72100:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,180way to to accomplish this y'allcan y'all could be a broker72200:49:15,210 --> 00:49:17,880through Elon URL or somethinglike that. What do you have any72300:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,660thoughts on this?72400:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,810That's amazing. And these areexactly the things that keep me72500:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,030keep me up at night. Buttotally, I mean, you describe72600:49:30,030 --> 00:49:34,770the crunch up and I thinksubscription service72700:49:34,770 --> 00:49:38,160subscriptions. We are we havethe chance now we are moving72800:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,900more to be having smarterwallets more or less, that72900:49:42,930 --> 00:49:48,180basically has had the decisionof how much you want to pay and73000:49:48,180 --> 00:49:52,020how often you want to pay ontime is put on the user side on73100:49:52,020 --> 00:49:58,830the listener side. And thewallet tool there then handles73200:49:58,860 --> 00:50:01,980the payment automatically. likeyou did with Mr. Crunch up at73300:50:01,980 --> 00:50:05,370basically any any lightningwallet could could do that. And73400:50:05,370 --> 00:50:07,890if he now integrate that, again,as you're saying this the73500:50:07,890 --> 00:50:11,340identity part, then bam, we gotwe got open subscriptions,73600:50:11,340 --> 00:50:11,610right. It's73700:50:11,610 --> 00:50:15,240gonna be fun when when you do asubstack version of this,73800:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,340there's going to be somesubstack service that's going to73900:50:17,340 --> 00:50:21,840plug right in. It's fantastic.Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, we're74000:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,160taking over the world here74100:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,910is it? Yes. Everybody74200:50:26,940 --> 00:50:29,760didn't. So we'll just get kickkicked off a substack. I forget74300:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,760who it was like, Whoa, I haven'theard of anyone. Yeah, someone74400:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,360got D platformed. From sub likea kind of a mainstream person74500:50:36,360 --> 00:50:42,870too. Because I guess stripe doestheir processing. It always74600:50:42,870 --> 00:50:44,220comes down to the processor.74700:50:44,460 --> 00:50:46,770Yeah, yeah. That's the ultimatething. Yeah.74800:50:47,310 --> 00:50:51,030Wow, this is very exciting. Andall of a sudden, I'm seeing a74900:50:51,030 --> 00:50:55,770bigger world. That's, that'spossible. Of course, I'm sure75000:50:55,770 --> 00:50:57,990there's a lot of pushback.People say, Well, you know, what75100:50:57,990 --> 00:51:01,110should all it should all bedecentralized? Have you looked75200:51:01,110 --> 00:51:04,500at any of these things likeProject Greenlight which kind of75300:51:04,500 --> 00:51:10,080have this hybrid model of, youknow, you have your keys, yet?75400:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,270There's some kind of listenerfunction in the cloud?75500:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,880Yes, and I think that's alsowhat I wanted to emphasize on75600:51:17,880 --> 00:51:25,530before is there are greattechnical tours coming up to75700:51:25,530 --> 00:51:28,590make this more open,decentralized, but we're all75800:51:28,590 --> 00:51:31,080building on the open, like onthe interoperable Lightning75900:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,080Network anyway, so the optionsare completely there. Right?76000:51:34,110 --> 00:51:38,730Even if you're not there, maybeyet, just now. We might be there76100:51:38,820 --> 00:51:44,070tomorrow. And you know, SDK,Greenlight, all these things are76200:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,400great ways, great progress tomake these things possible.76300:51:47,610 --> 00:51:50,640Do you guys have jobs? Do you?How do you how do you live?76400:51:50,730 --> 00:51:52,350Clearly not from Albie yet?76500:51:54,810 --> 00:52:01,260No, but yeah. So I was asoftware engineer that76600:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,280freelancing the last yearbasically, but I've been76700:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,550focusing on audio since a morethan a year now. So yeah, that's76800:52:11,550 --> 00:52:13,860that's the that's the day andnight job right now.76900:52:13,980 --> 00:52:17,040Oh, okay. All right. Nice. Well,you've dedicated a lot of time77000:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,820when it has to become77100:52:17,820 --> 00:52:20,610sustainable. So but yes, rightnow, this is the situation.77200:52:22,050 --> 00:52:28,950How about tomorrow? More it? Dowe lose more words?77300:52:30,270 --> 00:52:31,620And they will get tired of theshow?77400:52:31,710 --> 00:52:35,220I don't know he's here. Howabout you, Morris? Do you have a77500:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,080day job where you also have the77600:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,580show? Also, I'm also workingfull time on RV.77700:52:44,910 --> 00:52:48,480That's very dedicated gentleman.I think this is fantastic. And77800:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,620we're so so proud and happy tohave you to be associated with77900:52:52,620 --> 00:52:55,200you in the podcasting. 2.0family.78000:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,320Yeah, thanks. For thanks, thanksa lot for for talking so much78100:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,350about value for value. I thinkwe cannot. We cannot like Tell,78200:53:07,350 --> 00:53:11,220tell more people about that.It's important, I think, the78300:53:11,220 --> 00:53:15,090potential what what is what,what what we can build on and78400:53:15,090 --> 00:53:18,060build actually with, with allthese tools that are available?78500:53:18,060 --> 00:53:22,290Now? I think it's incredible.It's up to us basically, what or78600:53:22,290 --> 00:53:27,960to all the to all the creatorsout there to think of greater78700:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,140ways of interacting with theiraudience. That's, and I'm78800:53:31,140 --> 00:53:34,260really, really, really curioushow this will turn out in the78900:53:34,260 --> 00:53:34,860next month.79000:53:36,090 --> 00:53:39,240It's I think there's things thatare going to happen and ideas79100:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,430that will come to fruition thatwe can't even think of right79200:53:41,430 --> 00:53:41,730now.79300:53:42,120 --> 00:53:48,870Hmm, what what are you? What areyou doing around Ellen URL off?79400:53:48,900 --> 00:53:52,530Because that's a and a scene,you're doing some work on that.79500:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,950And that's the thing that we'regoing back to something that you79600:53:55,950 --> 00:54:00,780said Bhumi a while ago. I see. Ithink you're right, you are79700:54:00,780 --> 00:54:05,190touching on the fact that thereare things being done with at79800:54:05,190 --> 00:54:06,780least I think this is what youwere saying there are things79900:54:06,780 --> 00:54:14,460being done within lightning thatare beyond just monetary. And80000:54:14,490 --> 00:54:18,930don't I think I think this is anI think it's new for Bitcoin,80100:54:19,380 --> 00:54:22,890just talking on a Bitcoinperspective for just a minute. I80200:54:22,890 --> 00:54:25,980mean, Bitcoin has never youknow, there's there's been80300:54:25,980 --> 00:54:27,930there's been the scriptinglanguage within Bitcoin in this80400:54:27,930 --> 00:54:31,470been able to do some things, butthere's never been this culture80500:54:31,470 --> 00:54:34,980around like there has been withsomething like Aetherium or80600:54:34,980 --> 00:54:38,280these other blockchain you know,things where there's been this80700:54:38,580 --> 00:54:43,650sort of additive feature set ontop of it that can do other80800:54:43,650 --> 00:54:46,860types of things. But now thatnow we're seeing things like80900:54:46,860 --> 00:54:53,730lightning addresses, Ellen URLoff. You know, these you know,81000:54:53,730 --> 00:54:56,820who knows what will happen withTarot, but there are things that81100:54:56,820 --> 00:55:01,680are out there, lightning can dothat. Open up A broader set of81200:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,790features. What? What are yourWhat are your What are your81300:55:05,790 --> 00:55:06,630thoughts on that?81400:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,840Yeah, totally. I think wethere's Bitcoin we have like the81500:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,900best monetary network, and wehave this great foundation is81600:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,630very stable foundation. And nowwe have these building blocks to81700:55:18,630 --> 00:55:24,090come to a more, more closer toan application layer, where we81800:55:24,090 --> 00:55:27,660can build these things. And wehave like, ln, well, ours, we81900:55:27,660 --> 00:55:32,070have, like lightning addresses,as you say, that are those82000:55:32,190 --> 00:55:34,530building blocks that we can nowcombine into different82100:55:34,530 --> 00:55:38,070applications. Right. So I thinkwe will see that I will see82200:55:38,070 --> 00:55:41,490maybe we'll see much morespecifically this island well82300:55:41,490 --> 00:55:49,170asked of VSD, I think this anyapplication or anything that82400:55:49,170 --> 00:55:55,440you're doing, at some point, youwill have some sort of a need82500:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,590for some sort of identity, youwon't identify the user, you82600:55:58,590 --> 00:56:02,040have some kind of an account oryou or something like that.82700:56:04,230 --> 00:56:06,870There's a bit you post a switch,you log in, and so on, with82800:56:06,870 --> 00:56:11,910which you see your details. And,and, and, and I think there's82900:56:11,910 --> 00:56:15,750only new laws, for example, isjust that it's a it's a best83000:56:16,170 --> 00:56:20,490specification, how you can dothat with your keys that you83100:56:20,490 --> 00:56:22,590already use this your lightningaccount.83200:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,280Yeah. Yeah, bring it bring upsomething that, that Alex Gates83300:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,250had developed a while backcalled the Java version, I keep83400:56:32,250 --> 00:56:35,070calling it Java. I mean, JSONpayment token is basically83500:56:35,070 --> 00:56:39,840underwritten, you know, like aderive derived version of JW T,83600:56:40,290 --> 00:56:45,600that provides a proof of paymentof a lightning payment. And83700:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,360that's the that's the thingthat's that's missing. So think,83800:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,140like, once you have these piecesin place, you really can do83900:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,400identity verification, in a waythat makes a lot of sense and84000:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,980doesn't tie you to, you know, acentralized provider.84100:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,870Shall we? Oh, go ahead. Please.Go ahead.84200:57:04,740 --> 00:57:08,850No, I'm the experiment was thattoo. There was also LSAT, be84300:57:08,850 --> 00:57:12,960currently around LSAT there,which I think tries to do84400:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,340similar things. I haven't lookedinto the testing part there. But84500:57:17,340 --> 00:57:19,560yeah, in the end, it also comesdown back to the to the84600:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,420subscription part, right whereyou can say, Okay, I'm84700:57:21,420 --> 00:57:26,640subscribing like I'm having thisproof that I'm sending you value84800:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,320basically, which is alreadybasically an application on top84900:57:31,320 --> 00:57:31,620of that.85000:57:32,820 --> 00:57:36,510Let's thank a few people whohave been listening live and85100:57:36,510 --> 00:57:39,690have been have been sending usboosts and some of them are85200:57:39,720 --> 00:57:45,600worthy of mentioning I would saythis of course, is a value for85300:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,220value program value for valueprojects. And Steve Webb, the OG85400:57:50,220 --> 00:57:57,870God caster. Just came in with alive boost 100,777 Satoshis85500:57:58,110 --> 00:58:05,130Whoa. So he gets a call out 20is Blaze on him follow like a85600:58:05,130 --> 00:58:08,220massive striper boost. He's gotthe religious sevens in there.85700:58:08,850 --> 00:58:11,820The booster gram. He says tohelp support the most important85800:58:11,820 --> 00:58:18,210project in the podcasting spacego podcasting podcast 3000 SATs85900:58:18,210 --> 00:58:21,960from a podcaster who says I'mlistening live on pod verse.86000:58:21,990 --> 00:58:25,080This boost is what I've earnedthrough listen to earn from86100:58:25,080 --> 00:58:31,800fountain a go podcast like that.So you got you you earned it on86200:58:31,800 --> 00:58:40,260fountain and you spent it on podversus Mike Newman 49,999 just86300:58:40,260 --> 00:58:44,010shy of 50k love these live showsearlier you spoke of low hanging86400:58:44,010 --> 00:58:47,670fruit tags. One that isdeceptively so is the license86500:58:47,670 --> 00:58:51,180tag. I'd like to use it but thatis legalese. And there be86600:58:51,180 --> 00:58:54,750dragons. Any recommendations ona license that says basically86700:58:54,750 --> 00:58:57,750share and share like all ofthese licenses? Heck even look86800:58:57,750 --> 00:59:01,440at Project Gutenberg Gutenbergseem as friendly as a bag of86900:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,770broken glass. What's a podcasterto do looking forward to Dallas,87000:59:04,860 --> 00:59:05,820go podcasting?87100:59:05,850 --> 00:59:09,780Oh, podcast. You're the man toask about this because you've87200:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,570had experience in this inlicensing? Well,87300:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,510there was always a discrepancyor a different viewpoint the way87400:59:18,540 --> 00:59:22,380I think James Cridland who drovethis originally, what he thought87500:59:22,380 --> 00:59:25,470the license would be for andwhat what I thought the license87600:59:25,470 --> 00:59:29,010would be for there was also somequestion of should you use the87700:59:29,010 --> 00:59:35,790license tag to display licensesthat you that you own? Such as87800:59:35,790 --> 00:59:40,290you know, I have a PerformingRights Organization license in87900:59:40,290 --> 00:59:44,490this podcast. That's one way butI think what you're looking for88000:59:44,490 --> 00:59:51,180is just to protect your owncontent. I like the Why can't I88100:59:51,180 --> 00:59:55,500think of it now? What is thewhat is the the copyrighted?88200:59:55,530 --> 00:59:57,870Should I defend it in court? Ican't remember it a common88300:59:57,870 --> 01:00:03,810Creative Commons. Thank you.Sorry. Yeah, creative. Yes.88401:00:03,990 --> 01:00:07,680Creative Commons has a lot ofoptions. I've used it and I've88501:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,010also defended it successfully incourt. So Creative Commons would88601:00:11,010 --> 01:00:14,370be the way to go and they havewhat you want there. 5000 from88701:00:14,370 --> 01:00:18,210floydian slips podcasting 2.0floydian says just the vibe kind88801:00:18,210 --> 01:00:23,100of thing. Blueberry, who told usearlier that the first episode88901:00:23,100 --> 01:00:28,440came out on September 11 2020.That was 6666 sets from him. And89001:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,760another 7777 from blueberry 10out of 10 would prefer a boost89101:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,310Screen of Death. Yes, I wouldcertainly prefer that.89201:00:37,140 --> 01:00:42,660Trampoline boosts from floydianslips 4123 And we had some pre89301:00:42,660 --> 01:00:47,190boost before we started fromLyceum High Five booster gram89401:00:47,190 --> 01:00:52,500550 5555 Satoshis to the boostergram numerology page on GitHub.89501:00:54,450 --> 01:00:57,780Oh, this is this is Martin, bythe way, says I did a pull89601:00:57,780 --> 01:01:01,770request for a row of ducks boost20 to 22 Satoshis Did you see it89701:01:01,770 --> 01:01:05,700on your end? Is it JamesCridland Oscar marry or Brian of89801:01:05,700 --> 01:01:10,080London who add the list to theitem? Who does the pull request89901:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,150for the booster Grahamnumerology page?90001:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,080That yeah, I thought that wastrue. Who does that was90101:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,810blueberry? I thought that wasour Spencer. I think that's one90201:01:18,810 --> 01:01:19,860of those guys. Yeah. Okay.90301:01:19,860 --> 01:01:23,940Well, guys, there's a pullrequest for you. To add them.90401:01:23,940 --> 01:01:26,970Yes. I have a podcast calledHigh five for hemp. It started90501:01:26,970 --> 01:01:30,060out as a solo show. And thenAdam Tinkoff joined as a co90601:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,090host. I will relaunch inSeptember after I've launched my90701:01:33,330 --> 01:01:37,920last site, Tea Party dot media.All right, Martin. Thank you.90801:01:37,950 --> 01:01:40,650Martin has been quite thesupporter. He's boosting all90901:01:40,650 --> 01:01:43,470kinds of shows. He's all overthe place. I think he's from91001:01:43,500 --> 01:01:48,960Sweden. I want to say yeah, Ithink that's right. Yeah. Do we91101:01:48,960 --> 01:01:55,500have here? Okay, I think that iswhat we have for pre boosts. All91201:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,080right, everybody. Thank you. Doyou want to go through Oh, now91301:01:58,080 --> 01:02:03,150they're coming in now. Okay.Okay, pay to our page are not to91401:02:03,150 --> 01:02:09,150be outdone. Listen to this. Howmany ducks is this? tu tu tu tu91501:02:09,180 --> 01:02:18,840tu tu tu tu 122,222 Satoshis amega big baller duck boost.91601:02:19,980 --> 01:02:23,760Sakala Blaze on am Paula.91701:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,800That's a foie gras is what thatis. That's what's a little Doug91801:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,190boost.91901:02:29,220 --> 01:02:32,580What's a frog rod? I gotta writethat down. It's the frog. Ah.92001:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,790Hey, what was the guy's name?Who you're grousing with on92101:02:38,790 --> 01:02:39,300Twitter.92201:02:40,170 --> 01:02:41,520Tanner de Gumbel.92301:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,590There you go Tanner. That's howit was done son. For a while92401:02:46,590 --> 01:02:51,750Grace That's right. Thank youand Chad Pharaoh 33,333 Thank92501:02:51,750 --> 01:02:53,190you boosting live okay.92601:02:53,430 --> 01:02:57,450Do you have I think Peter is anoligarch this this is this is92701:02:57,450 --> 01:03:00,300how he's getting rid of hismoney before the before the92801:03:00,540 --> 01:03:01,260Cabal92901:03:01,290 --> 01:03:04,050Yes. He's probably a Russianoligarchy. And he's trying to93001:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,010just divest of it before it getsgets confiscated. Yeah, makes93101:03:08,010 --> 01:03:08,400sense.93201:03:08,430 --> 01:03:10,110Okay, well, we'll take this fromhis yacht93301:03:11,070 --> 01:03:14,430from his yacht, which is locked,locked to a chain in a harbor93401:03:14,430 --> 01:03:14,940somewhere.93501:03:15,150 --> 01:03:17,640Yeah. The French habit.93601:03:19,260 --> 01:03:21,840Let's thank some of our othersupporters. You can go to93701:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,900podcast index.org. Go down tothe bottom there's a big red93801:03:24,900 --> 01:03:28,770donate button. That's how youcan send us Fiat fun coupons93901:03:28,770 --> 01:03:31,980through PayPal. If you want todo a monthly subscription or94001:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,890just send some of some of thatfiat money our way. And of94101:03:34,890 --> 01:03:37,950course, you can also use the QRcode which no one does. But we94201:03:37,950 --> 01:03:41,490do have it if you want to sendit on chain Bitcoin donation and94301:03:41,490 --> 01:03:44,850obviously we'd love for you tosend us boosts and booster grams94401:03:45,030 --> 01:03:49,770by using any of these modernapps at new podcast apps.com.94501:03:50,790 --> 01:03:55,530We got one, one week one singledonation week, weekly pay pal94601:03:55,530 --> 01:04:01,200donation. $25. From Daniel tobolt to bolt,94701:04:01,830 --> 01:04:03,330bolt to bolt table.94801:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,390Tell them saying that around.Right. He had a problem with one94901:04:06,390 --> 01:04:09,570of the podcasts on the index andI fixed it for him and then he95001:04:09,570 --> 01:04:13,950came in just a few minutes laterwith a with a Pay Pal. $25 Pay95101:04:13,950 --> 01:04:14,100Pal.95201:04:14,100 --> 01:04:18,150It's very nice. Oh, thank you. Ilove it when people pay for your95301:04:18,150 --> 01:04:21,450services. Yeah, well thank youfor your service. It's the95401:04:21,450 --> 01:04:22,650international lifestyle.95501:04:22,890 --> 01:04:27,780I'm gonna go ahead and read themonthlies monthly pay pals. And95601:04:27,810 --> 01:04:30,060because they were we can doboost in the end with that.95701:04:30,210 --> 01:04:38,430Okay. Was the camera Rose $25Chad Farrow $20.22 Scott Jalbert95801:04:38,430 --> 01:04:44,370$12 LORETTA ven Vandenberg $10New Media, not the new media95901:04:44,370 --> 01:04:49,440show. This is Martin Linda Skog.He's $1 Mark, Mark Graham $196001:04:49,440 --> 01:04:55,710David metus Hey, David $10 Justmaraca $5 and Jeremy knew $5 So96101:04:55,710 --> 01:04:57,180that's our paper.96201:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,350Fun coupon providers. ThanksYou're very much it's highly96301:05:01,350 --> 01:05:04,740appreciated. This is goingdirectly into all of the96401:05:04,740 --> 01:05:07,260machines, everything that keepsit running and of course,96501:05:07,260 --> 01:05:10,290liquidity on the node for all ofthose podcasts. By the way,96601:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,340guys, I'll be guys. Hey, yeah,I'll be guys do we have? Do we96701:05:14,340 --> 01:05:17,790have a some kind of channelbetween our node and your node?96801:05:19,770 --> 01:05:21,000Right think return Oh, no,96901:05:21,330 --> 01:05:23,220we need I need to check. Yeah,could97001:05:23,220 --> 01:05:26,280you if you could, please, I'dlove to open a channel to you97101:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,420guys. And you know that type?Yeah, I'd love to open a fat97201:05:30,420 --> 01:05:34,650pipe to y'all. If you can sendme a note Id because I just make97301:05:34,650 --> 01:05:37,320sense, you know, makes a lot ofsense for us for the whole97401:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,790project. That'd be great. I'msure. Fantastic. Okay. Back to97501:05:41,790 --> 01:05:42,930our Bookstagram safe.97601:05:43,410 --> 01:05:45,930No, we have live we gotta wehave a plethora, a plethora97701:05:45,930 --> 01:05:46,500plethora now.97801:05:47,010 --> 01:05:51,060Are we cutting anything off atthe 1000 level 10,000 Level,97901:05:51,060 --> 01:05:51,720were we at98001:05:52,410 --> 01:05:56,490worth 1000 level right now mayhave to be able to bump that up98101:05:56,490 --> 01:05:59,850if if we keep getting a lot butwe were at the 1000 level now98201:05:59,850 --> 01:06:04,350but we reserve the right toselectively read those below the98301:06:04,350 --> 01:06:06,9601000 level if they'reparticularly humorous or funny.98401:06:06,990 --> 01:06:08,550Always as always, yes.98501:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,490Mike Dell, he have blueberry,blue blue escaping blue brewery98601:06:14,490 --> 01:06:20,880brewery 1234 SAS and he sayslistening not live. Okay.98701:06:22,290 --> 01:06:29,490Thanks, Mike. We got MGH notsure who mgh is it sounds kind98801:06:29,490 --> 01:06:33,510of familiar through fountain1024 SATs and he says this is a98901:06:33,630 --> 01:06:36,600killer boost to the 12 power.Nice.99001:06:36,690 --> 01:06:38,460Okay. Please make sense.99101:06:40,470 --> 01:06:46,500Like I say so he comes in againhe says this is a this is a this99201:06:46,500 --> 01:06:52,110is a Kimbo boost 10 to the thirdpower guy he's doing math now.99301:06:52,110 --> 01:06:52,440Okay.99401:06:53,610 --> 01:06:56,370Put it on let me get a PRrequested and put it on the99501:06:56,370 --> 01:06:58,770boost. The boost page, thenumerology?99601:07:01,020 --> 01:07:03,420Okay, he's coming in again. Hesays two to the 12 power is a99701:07:03,420 --> 01:07:08,160four kilo boost. I can't do mathin my head. 4000 Any successful99801:07:08,160 --> 01:07:13,200Thank you MGH math lesson of theday over C dubs came in with99901:07:13,200 --> 01:07:20,34010,101 SAS through the boost CLIapp. Very nice. He says thanks100001:07:20,340 --> 01:07:25,590for the Eco Boost bot said sslash space slash slash100101:07:25,620 --> 01:07:27,150backtick. Exclamation point.100201:07:27,750 --> 01:07:30,150Oh man, he's doing streamlineediting his booths now.100301:07:31,620 --> 01:07:34,380He's trying I think he's tryingto remember to do an RCE. But100401:07:34,380 --> 01:07:36,540he's trying to remote codeexecution. So my100501:07:37,590 --> 01:07:39,120heavy pad is going nuts.100601:07:39,360 --> 01:07:48,060Yeah. heel pad just drain mywallet. 1111 SATs from George100701:07:48,060 --> 01:07:52,770Orwell. Not sure how that works,but back from the grave. And he100801:07:52,770 --> 01:07:56,490says luckily inflation istransitory and according to100901:07:56,490 --> 01:08:00,540Biden, there's no recession.That's great if we're all in101001:08:00,540 --> 01:08:05,280good shape. Roy Schonfeld. Thereis no do you know guy you guys101101:08:05,280 --> 01:08:05,760know Roy101201:08:09,090 --> 01:08:10,950obviously, okay, right.101301:08:11,610 --> 01:08:17,640Yeah, yeah. Roy in here. Oh,yeah. He's just a world class101401:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,950human being of all and all. Inall, it's101501:08:19,980 --> 01:08:23,760coop, who listens to the show onFriday night while he's in bed.101601:08:24,990 --> 01:08:28,050We see ROI. We see your ROI.Yeah, he's in Israel. So he's101701:08:28,050 --> 01:08:30,720got like, you guys got to dealwith time difference. So yeah, I101801:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,360know the minute we're done. It'stime for him to first I think he101901:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,130takes a bath. Thanks. Nice,warm. Nice warm bath.102001:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,700With with milk and rowspan. Yes,exactly.102101:08:41,970 --> 01:08:46,470And a little bit sad few dropsof honey. And then he curls up102201:08:46,470 --> 01:08:52,020into bed and gets ready for theshow. Yeah. That too is the102301:08:52,050 --> 01:08:54,450International lifestyle. A valuefor value102401:08:55,110 --> 01:09:06,000is ROI as simplifying. That'sawesome. 54,321 SATs from ROI.102501:09:06,030 --> 01:09:10,980Yeah. Through the breeze app andhe says go podcasting. You bet.102601:09:12,900 --> 01:09:13,620Thank you, Roy.102701:09:16,050 --> 01:09:18,030What kind of robe Do you thinkRoy is? This is102801:09:18,150 --> 01:09:23,460the velvet velvet velvet velvetvelvet. Silk sheets velvet robe.102901:09:23,940 --> 01:09:25,800Nice logo and the Oh yeah, he's103001:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,800got those slippers like the bigfluffy plush slippers with103101:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,870Breeze logos on the on the toes.103201:09:34,140 --> 01:09:38,400Okay, 3333 333 from Chiron forthe mere mortals podcast to103301:09:38,430 --> 01:09:38,850Korea.103401:09:39,450 --> 01:09:40,230Thank you very much.103501:09:40,500 --> 01:09:44,340Thank you, Karen. He said thepod father commands boosts and103601:09:44,340 --> 01:09:47,400amazingly your Supermoon hasreached his equinox and it's103701:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,370retrograding towards the secondhouse of Jupiter, meaning that103801:09:50,370 --> 01:09:54,240you will encounter riches froman unexpected acquaintance goose103901:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,260boost boost There he is. Yeah,you just got your fortune read104001:09:58,710 --> 01:09:59,610through a booster green104101:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,880eyes. Where's my reply button Ineed to be able to send boosts104201:10:02,880 --> 01:10:03,480back104301:10:03,990 --> 01:10:08,370as a boost of fortune. Yes. MereMortals Podcast coming in again104401:10:08,370 --> 01:10:12,690at 22 to 22 and he sayspodcasting 2.0 executing with104501:10:12,690 --> 01:10:13,290scissors104601:10:13,320 --> 01:10:19,170yay for you, thank you.104701:10:19,590 --> 01:10:24,360Thank you Kira. Appreciate youguys. Pirate huddle. 4242104801:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,690through fountaining says, whenfed a mint comes out, how easy104901:10:27,690 --> 01:10:30,030will it be to add to the V fourV Spec?105001:10:30,870 --> 01:10:34,380I sent this to you, I sent youthis link Fetty meant105101:10:35,010 --> 01:10:37,320Yeah, I didn't understand muchof what I was reading.105201:10:37,350 --> 01:10:43,020It seems like it's a a differentversion of a way to route105301:10:43,020 --> 01:10:47,310payments, kind of like lightningonly on chain and there's some,105401:10:47,850 --> 01:10:52,530some trust involved it the wholeidea was very compelling. But I105501:10:52,530 --> 01:10:55,440agree. It's like my eyes at acertain point like whoa, okay.105601:10:55,980 --> 01:10:58,740And I'm glazing over here. Ican't I just couldn't figure it105701:10:58,740 --> 01:10:59,730out at a certain point.105801:11:00,150 --> 01:11:04,620I was trying to read it when Iwas in the mindset of the Verify105901:11:04,620 --> 01:11:08,130tag and it just was like, Yeah,you can't do that now. Eject.106001:11:08,160 --> 01:11:08,940Eject?106101:11:08,970 --> 01:11:12,960Okay, well, hey, it's as far aswe're concerned. Everything106201:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,430should work. Why not?106301:11:15,240 --> 01:11:21,630I don't see why anythingwouldn't Yeah, exactly. See, see106401:11:21,630 --> 01:11:26,700our podcast through send us 5300Nonsense through breeze. He says106501:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,820awesome episodes props for thezero MQ. Shout out as I use106601:11:29,820 --> 01:11:34,020that. simulations on the HPCcluster. Go podcasting? Yes,106701:11:34,020 --> 01:11:34,470see?106801:11:34,589 --> 01:11:38,819Yes. No, you were right. Youwere right. And it resulted in a106901:11:38,819 --> 01:11:41,099booster gram valid content.107001:11:41,700 --> 01:11:49,590It is. slewed soon as 333 saysit's possible rename of the pimp107101:11:49,620 --> 01:11:55,710acronym. proposal to improvemodern podcasting. That's valid.107201:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,830Yeah, that's good. That shouldbe the your first pimp is to107301:11:58,830 --> 01:12:00,240change the term pimp.107401:12:01,800 --> 01:12:09,030Like that. Yes. The Scotty ScottSikora sent us a Van Halen boost107501:12:09,030 --> 01:12:12,1205150 SATs through fountain hesays another great show guys too107601:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,020bad everything went way over myhead. You still appreciate all107701:12:16,020 --> 01:12:17,670the hard work and knowledge yougive.107801:12:17,850 --> 01:12:20,700All right, man. Thank you verymuch. Yeah, we I tried to bring107901:12:20,700 --> 01:12:25,380us back down to earth. It's wayover my head too. Sometimes. So108001:12:25,530 --> 01:12:26,040okay,108101:12:26,070 --> 01:12:30,300that's that's usually usuallyit's usually the fault. I blame108201:12:30,300 --> 01:12:31,020booster grams.108301:12:31,350 --> 01:12:33,720It's no one's fault. It'sthere's a lot of people who do108401:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,170dig it108501:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,800anonymous and it's 5000 SATs tocast ematic and whoever108601:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,860Anonymous is thank you MikeNewman from podcast index sucks108701:12:43,890 --> 01:12:47,880that social for your help. Ohwait you gotta we got108801:12:47,970 --> 01:12:52,740we got Mike Mike. We got we gotMike's booster Graham Cool.108901:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,770Sorry Mike. You're Not You can'tgive it back. No, no,109001:12:55,800 --> 01:12:56,640no way to do it.109101:12:56,940 --> 01:13:01,620It was a it was done is done.There's no reply button. Texas109201:13:01,620 --> 01:13:04,830comrades and it's 33 SAS is loveto see my podcasting worlds109301:13:04,830 --> 01:13:10,620collide. Nice. Like it. Stevenbasin is 1000 Sastra curio109401:13:10,620 --> 01:13:14,910caster Of course. And he sayscurio caster Alby Wallet API109501:13:14,940 --> 01:13:19,200integration test boost UI whichawait Okay, he threw in some109601:13:19,200 --> 01:13:31,500German did did they do it youTritton in dinars? Yeah, okay.109701:13:33,030 --> 01:13:35,220I'm not gonna get that but me.Yeah, no.109801:13:35,910 --> 01:13:41,880Thanks, Steven V. Dirty divorce.sounded like it was going to be109901:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,270dirty. Yeah, the money you getare the you know?110001:13:48,690 --> 01:13:55,200Okay. Always fun for this. Forthe mono lingual guy. Todd110101:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,170Cochran sent us 10k sets and hesays simple boost.110201:13:58,950 --> 01:14:01,140Received. Thank you very much.Yep.110301:14:02,580 --> 01:14:05,550And Mike Bell said his 1234 setsand he says, Did I beat Todd?110401:14:05,730 --> 01:14:08,760Oh, right. Yes, you did. Youdid, actually. Because the110501:14:08,760 --> 01:14:15,420timestamp is preceding ColeMcCormick. 111 11. Wait, that110601:14:15,540 --> 01:14:18,960that number doesn't make anysense. 1111 How about that? He110701:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,900says, I'm becoming a betterpodcaster and a better booster110801:14:21,900 --> 01:14:25,290because of this show. Listen toAmerica. Plus, you will get 2000110901:14:25,290 --> 01:14:27,330SATs for a listen. Oh, well.111001:14:27,389 --> 01:14:30,899Oh, okay. How does that work?How does? How does that he sent111101:14:30,899 --> 01:14:34,259us 1111. But if we listen to hisshow, we get 2000.111201:14:35,370 --> 01:14:37,050Yeah, that doesn't make anysense. I111301:14:38,220 --> 01:14:40,470know, just one marketingperspective, from a marketing111401:14:40,470 --> 01:14:43,740perspective. You should send us2000 And say anyone can get to111501:14:43,770 --> 01:14:47,100I'm just trying to help outhere. I gotcha. Yeah. I wonder111601:14:47,100 --> 01:14:49,290how he does that. Is that isthat a fountain promotion or111701:14:49,290 --> 01:14:49,740something?111801:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,740I don't know. Maybe he justdoesn't do his show. Yeah. Okay.111901:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,910Cool. Let us know how you'redoing that. Yep. Brown of London112001:14:56,910 --> 01:15:03,420in the hot Dao. Yay. 43,000 210sets and he says, And now for112101:15:03,420 --> 01:15:05,970your regularly scheduled $10contribution from Brian of112201:15:05,970 --> 01:15:09,030London. Yes, thank you, Brian ofLondon. Appreciate that, Brian,112301:15:09,030 --> 01:15:12,210and thank you for your helptroubleshooting all of the pod112401:15:12,210 --> 01:15:16,860pain things. Yeah. couldn't dowithout you and Alex, everything112501:15:16,860 --> 01:15:21,000everywhere. That's scary aren'tour buddy 100,000 SATs112601:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,350found through the fountain app,he says it's been a few weeks,112701:15:28,350 --> 01:15:31,080so I figured I should make upfor lost time. Looking forward112801:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,690to your session in Dallas. And Ihope other people in the112901:15:33,690 --> 01:15:37,080industry show up as well. LearnI learned something new every113001:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,260day, Gary aren't the everythingeverywhere daily podcast,113101:15:40,290 --> 01:15:43,950this Dallas thing is going to beso interesting. We're gonna have113201:15:43,950 --> 01:15:47,760to go at triple speed. You have30 slides you said?113301:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,970No, that was just the other day.I'm up to 40 No, no, you113401:15:50,970 --> 01:15:53,790can't did no Dave. It's notgonna work. You can't do 40113501:15:53,790 --> 01:15:54,690slides.113601:15:54,780 --> 01:15:56,100No, this is this is just how113701:15:56,130 --> 01:15:59,550you this is your process. Okay.Yeah, I113801:15:59,550 --> 01:16:02,700put in way more than I had. Andthen I start paring it down. I'm113901:16:02,700 --> 01:16:04,110thinking I get to around 20.114001:16:05,370 --> 01:16:08,190Yeah, okay. I don't have I don'thave any slides.114101:16:08,820 --> 01:16:12,660We'll see. I don't have your Idon't have your skill set. I114201:16:12,660 --> 01:16:18,180can't just walk in and like offthe cuff or a DJ for 25 years.114301:16:18,180 --> 01:16:19,440I'm willing to do that.114401:16:21,870 --> 01:16:24,420I didn't mean it like that.You're very good talker.114501:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,830You can't you have you do I meanyou can just walk in with a114601:16:28,830 --> 01:16:31,380sheet you know, with somethingthat has like three lines on it114701:16:31,380 --> 01:16:34,980and just talked for like anhour. I can't do that. Again. I114801:16:34,980 --> 01:16:36,570guess so much prep material.114901:16:36,630 --> 01:16:42,720Okay. Well, I got 15 minutes.Right. I get I get 15 minutes115001:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,720and then and then you take therest right? Yeah, I'm gonna115101:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,560guess what is what is it? 45minutes. Whew. 45 minutes.115201:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,940Sessions are ridiculous. Seemsreally short.115301:16:54,990 --> 01:16:59,220It did seem short to me. I wasexpecting an hour but no, no,115401:16:59,220 --> 01:17:02,130no, no. Okay, let's go over weget to train an entire industry115501:17:02,130 --> 01:17:02,370paying.115601:17:02,370 --> 01:17:06,330No, it's like, I know exactlyhow I'm going to Hi, everybody.115701:17:06,330 --> 01:17:08,370I know why you're here. You wantto know how you can make money115801:17:08,370 --> 01:17:10,590in podcasting? Well, let me tellyou, I'm going to make you so115901:17:10,590 --> 01:17:13,200rich. You'll be able to leaveyour wife so rich, you're going116001:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,660to be from this podcastingexperience that sit right down116101:17:15,660 --> 01:17:16,620everybody it's going to begreat.116201:17:18,540 --> 01:17:21,360You went to a full carnivalbarker there for I don't know116301:17:21,360 --> 01:17:26,550what happened. Blueberries and a17,770 success and he says I116401:17:27,510 --> 01:17:32,100went to the Franklin Institutego science infill yesterday. And116501:17:32,100 --> 01:17:35,460while playing with some plasmaballs, and that was my nickname116601:17:35,460 --> 01:17:39,810in high school back there cameanother idea. We've been using116701:17:39,810 --> 01:17:43,290GIFs for all of our show artforever. What if there's a way116801:17:43,290 --> 01:17:46,920we could send just back to theIRC chat. When booster grams116901:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,810come in? I like it. I like it.It can be done using boost bot117001:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,900unique Joe could pop up in thechat for different boost117101:17:54,900 --> 01:17:59,490amounts. IRC takes a show from apodcast to a full production Eat117201:17:59,490 --> 01:18:01,260your heart out YouTube SuperChat.117301:18:01,290 --> 01:18:05,190Yeah. So he said go science. Isthat what he said? Yeah,117401:18:05,250 --> 01:18:13,980shut up already. Science. Lyceumsent us a high five booster117501:18:13,980 --> 01:18:17,520gram. Oh, is this the one youread a while ago? That's the one117601:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,910I read. Yeah, okay. Okay. Allright. Cool. We got overlap117701:18:20,910 --> 01:18:22,170here. Alright, so the delimiter117801:18:23,190 --> 01:18:25,650is gotta be here. Hmm. Fountain.117901:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,850He sent us 15,033 Sassy saysHowdy, Dave and Adam. Apart from118001:18:29,850 --> 01:18:33,720news items, and knowledgecorner, we added history corner118101:18:33,720 --> 01:18:38,250to our podcast about artificialintelligence. So please enter in118201:18:38,250 --> 01:18:44,580web browser for any podcast app.A cooking to listen to silky118301:18:44,580 --> 01:18:47,490voice of Gregory WilliamForsythe Foreman from Kent118401:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,850jibber jabbering about AI news.Yo.118501:18:54,510 --> 01:18:58,080All right, everybody goodshowing. Good showing for118601:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,500strong, strong, very strong.Thank you. It's been it's been a118701:19:01,500 --> 01:19:05,610delight to see the transitionfrom Fiat fund coupons to sound118801:19:05,610 --> 01:19:09,150money. we've transitioned andy'all have done that. Thank you118901:19:09,150 --> 01:19:15,660so much for, for doing that.That's it's a mind boggling119001:19:15,660 --> 01:19:19,560thing. Value for value. It's thenew international lifestyle,119101:19:19,590 --> 01:19:22,770you're soaking in it right nowenjoy it, you too can be a part119201:19:22,770 --> 01:19:25,650of it for your own podcast.We're showing you exactly how119301:19:25,650 --> 01:19:29,670it's done. And this project isrunning on it. Really appreciate119401:19:29,670 --> 01:19:34,350that. Value for value for forMichael and Moritz. You guys119501:19:34,350 --> 01:19:36,750consider that as a businessmodel? Are you just going to119601:19:36,750 --> 01:19:40,920stick with kind of the the thepremium feature or charging for119701:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,220it? Did you have thoughts onthat on the value for value for119801:19:44,220 --> 01:19:44,910yourselves?119901:19:47,130 --> 01:19:52,620Definitely. So we will be happyto also accept some value120001:19:52,620 --> 01:19:57,540streams from the extensionusers, for example, to all the120101:19:57,540 --> 01:20:01,380developers that that work Theextension that will be awesome.120201:20:02,820 --> 01:20:06,390Yeah, for sure I you know, I doneed. If you don't mind if you120301:20:06,390 --> 01:20:11,190can email that to me, I need awallet ID from from one of you120401:20:11,190 --> 01:20:13,800because we'll put you in thesplit for today's show for sure.120501:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,870Just so you can have thatwonderful experience. Have you120601:20:15,870 --> 01:20:19,260ever been in a podcast splitbefore? Where you see it just120701:20:19,290 --> 01:20:20,730just coming into your node?120801:20:23,040 --> 01:20:28,440Yeah, not really, in the podcastsplit. I created some like test120901:20:28,470 --> 01:20:34,800podcasts. And someonecoincidentally, discovered it on121001:20:34,800 --> 01:20:41,850Taunton. And suddenly I had Idon't know, like 25 or 40121101:20:42,420 --> 01:20:42,930booths.121201:20:45,750 --> 01:20:50,730And it's just fascinating. It'sfun. Yeah,121301:20:50,730 --> 01:20:53,880cuz you'll get our booster gramstoo. Yeah. Okay. So send me your121401:20:54,750 --> 01:20:57,570semi whatever your youraddresses that that you want121501:20:57,570 --> 01:21:02,070to use. Like lightning address,you can just use the Hello at121601:21:02,580 --> 01:21:07,860get lb.com address. The otherdetails I can send after121701:21:07,890 --> 01:21:11,130Yeah, just said just send thatin. In Email. That'd be great.121801:21:11,940 --> 01:21:14,610Yeah, I don't think a lot ofmaybe some people don't know121901:21:14,610 --> 01:21:19,800that that that lb if you useAlby as your as your podcast or122001:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,000wallet, you can you can see allyour booster grams and122101:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,460everything there in the in theweb interface. Right.122201:21:27,870 --> 01:21:30,810Exactly, yeah. Okay, so122301:21:31,950 --> 01:21:35,160you've got the like a helipadfeatures in there. So you can122401:21:35,190 --> 01:21:37,320you can see the booster grams asthey come in.122501:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,870Exactly. This is also somethingthat we, for example, expose122601:21:42,900 --> 01:21:48,540through the API, to, forexample, a podcast hosting122701:21:48,540 --> 01:21:53,010service who wants to integratean AVI Wallet. So nice, right122801:21:53,010 --> 01:21:57,750now, for example, what rss.comshows is the balance that you122901:21:57,750 --> 01:22:00,960have in the RB wallet, and alsothe number of booster grams that123001:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,400you received. But it's thinkingfurther on, I think that's also123101:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,270what they're working on, is, forexample, all other directly show123201:22:09,270 --> 01:22:14,340all the booster grams that apodcaster receives on the123301:22:14,340 --> 01:22:19,200dashboard, on their dashboard onrss.com. And I think it's,123401:22:19,260 --> 01:22:25,980that's that's just another wayto keep the podcaster on on on123501:22:25,980 --> 01:22:28,950your service, basically, becauseyou do, we would not have to123601:22:28,950 --> 01:22:33,330switch to our log into the IPwallet separately. If you123701:22:33,330 --> 01:22:37,530already have all the informationavailable on the dashboard of123801:22:37,530 --> 01:22:39,780this particular hosting service,there's something123901:22:39,780 --> 01:22:43,110else that that we talked aboutin the real way in the124001:22:43,110 --> 01:22:46,020beginning, and it's come up fromtime to time and you guys could124101:22:46,020 --> 01:22:48,900actually implement this, itwould be wonderful as a124201:22:48,900 --> 01:22:55,260podcaster. To be able to see agraph a chart over time, that124301:22:55,260 --> 01:22:58,890shows me people listening. Sothey're streaming SATs, you124401:22:58,890 --> 01:23:02,460know, whatever, you know, theper minute streaming sites, I'd124501:23:02,460 --> 01:23:06,660love to see that aggregated in ain a graph by episode. So I can124601:23:06,660 --> 01:23:10,320see at what point people stoppedlistening, or when would less124701:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,050people are listening or morepeople are listening, right124801:23:13,050 --> 01:23:16,680there on the timeline, I'd loveto see, oh, here's a boost so124901:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,330that I can mouse over see theboost to gram click, and I can125001:23:21,330 --> 01:23:24,540hear exactly what was beingsaid, no one has done that yet.125101:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,900But they're going to and I thinkyou guys could lead the way and125201:23:27,900 --> 01:23:28,800facilitate that.125301:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,910Yeah, I think that's a greatidea here. Because it's at the125401:23:32,910 --> 01:23:39,540end boosts are such a greatindication of value. Like Like,125501:23:39,930 --> 01:23:43,500just with real value, the momentthat you really see okay, what's125601:23:43,500 --> 01:23:47,460the interesting moment for myaudience or not? Exactly.125701:23:47,910 --> 01:23:51,060Analytics are on our roadmap.Darius?125801:23:51,900 --> 01:23:53,190Cool, what else? That's great.125901:23:53,220 --> 01:23:55,560Do you have other analytics orstuff that you're that we126001:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,990haven't talked about that you'reon that are on the roadmap?126101:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,630Funnily enough, actually,yesterday, somebody was also126201:24:03,630 --> 01:24:08,640listening, I think, showed mesome of the things that you just126301:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,730talked about this the analyticsand the graphs using the API126401:24:12,990 --> 01:24:19,050dependent on data and graphs,graphs, it's on our charts on126501:24:19,050 --> 01:24:19,920some, yeah.126601:24:21,300 --> 01:24:24,210Who was this mystery person? Wegotta go figure out who's doing126701:24:24,210 --> 01:24:26,670that shit. I love it.126801:24:26,730 --> 01:24:36,090Boy. Boy. We need the I thinkthat a lot of this data is that126901:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,930people have not discovered yetwhat a rich amount of data this127001:24:39,930 --> 01:24:44,160is. So when when you find thatout and figure out okay, well,127101:24:44,430 --> 01:24:47,310you know, per minute boosts orBeano street streaming level127201:24:47,310 --> 01:24:51,450boost and big N single boost andthese kinds of things. I mean,127301:24:51,450 --> 01:24:54,120there's a lot of there's a lotof information that you can127401:24:54,120 --> 01:24:59,970glean from all that and see thehosting companies will want to127501:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,970They will want that eventuallythey'll want to have that127601:25:03,480 --> 01:25:06,810information. I started thinkingabout this the other day when127701:25:07,950 --> 01:25:11,730the rss.com Did the lbintegration. And then we saw127801:25:12,840 --> 01:25:18,000Castillo's looking at doing.They expanded their, their,127901:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,720their wallet parameters toaccept the custom key custom128001:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,570value, and they're planning ondoing an integration. And then128101:25:24,570 --> 01:25:29,250you had just just cast did a didanatomy integration. I started,128201:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,040we started when we saw thisflurry of integration happening,128301:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,150I started to think it, you know,it's good, because hosts,128401:25:36,630 --> 01:25:41,340hosting companies are sort ofembracing their role as less128501:25:41,340 --> 01:25:44,340pushers of monetizationstrategies, and a lot of the128601:25:44,340 --> 01:25:46,890hosts take that take thatresponsibility very seriously.128701:25:46,890 --> 01:25:53,190They, they say, okay, one of ourroles as a host, is to really128801:25:53,190 --> 01:25:57,630help our podcasters that want tomonetize to help them monetize.128901:25:58,200 --> 01:26:03,360And we they take that seriouslyby doing things like medium,129001:26:03,660 --> 01:26:09,870dynamic ads, they do consultinga lot of times, I know, Todd129101:26:09,870 --> 01:26:12,360Cochran does a lot of that,where he talks one on one with129201:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,630people in trust to come up witha game plan to help them129301:26:15,630 --> 01:26:18,300monetize when they when theiraudience gets to a certain size.129401:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,870So they take that role veryseriously. And in this, the129501:26:21,870 --> 01:26:24,900value value stuff is a naturalfit for that with with these129601:26:24,900 --> 01:26:30,330Alby integrations, because like,it's you lucky as a host, you129701:26:30,330 --> 01:26:35,430have a very big responsibilityto say, Okay, here's a way you129801:26:35,430 --> 01:26:38,400can monetize, or here's whereyou can make money. And here's129901:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,710this other way, you can makemoney. Here's another way and130001:26:40,710 --> 01:26:43,920another way. And another way,it's like, it doesn't have to be130101:26:43,950 --> 01:26:47,700the value for value andstreaming says, they don't have130201:26:47,700 --> 01:26:54,630to be the only way you makemoney. But it, but it is a piece130301:26:55,020 --> 01:26:59,550in and you don't just you don'tlook at it away as Okay, here's130401:26:59,550 --> 01:27:02,250five ways I can make money. I'mjust not going to do three of130501:27:02,250 --> 01:27:04,470them. Like that doesn't makethat doesn't really make any130601:27:04,470 --> 01:27:07,620sense. And the perfect exampleof this is a guy like Jack, Jack130701:27:07,620 --> 01:27:11,940reciter from darknet diaries. Imean, that guy has every single130801:27:11,940 --> 01:27:15,840way you can make money nailed. Imean, he's got he does. He's130901:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,690doing ads. He's doing boostergrams. He's doing me like131001:27:18,750 --> 01:27:22,740literally everything. And I waslike Chris Fisher to there. He's131101:27:22,740 --> 01:27:26,790adopting all these differentways in it doesn't make in. I131201:27:26,790 --> 01:27:31,380see that as a hosting company,being a good steward of their131301:27:31,380 --> 01:27:35,370customers to say, Okay, here'sthis other new way of making131401:27:35,370 --> 01:27:38,910money that just popped up. Let'smake sure that that's available131501:27:38,910 --> 01:27:45,390to you guys. Just make sense tome. Ah,131601:27:47,340 --> 01:27:49,920the week comes to an end and I'moverwhelmed.131701:27:51,900 --> 01:27:56,490Yeah, that's this was a bit.This was a crazy week.131801:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,130It really was what it wasanything else? We need to talk131901:27:59,130 --> 01:28:02,190about that? I know you've beenshoring up some of the tags?132001:28:03,450 --> 01:28:08,970Yeah. I mean, we just finalizedthe block tag yesterday. As of132101:28:08,970 --> 01:28:14,610yesterday. Yes, yes. Yes, it wasyesterday. So you may just go132201:28:14,610 --> 01:28:21,270over okay. Yeah, sure. Okay. Sothe bite, bite bite tag is132301:28:21,270 --> 01:28:23,670formalized. And we've we'veworked on this for a long time,132401:28:23,670 --> 01:28:27,360and finally got it into a waythat I think we can all agree132501:28:27,360 --> 01:28:32,310with. It's a it's a simple, it'sa very simplistic tag. And part132601:28:32,310 --> 01:28:36,870of the problem was I wasoverthinking it. And I was132701:28:36,870 --> 01:28:40,170trying to make a you know, wehad this sort of complicated way132801:28:40,170 --> 01:28:42,750of doing like a reverseexclusion list and all this kind132901:28:42,750 --> 01:28:49,110of stuff and right, and magicfingers. Which I gotta find out133001:28:49,110 --> 01:28:51,030this guy's real name. He'sFrench. That's133101:28:51,030 --> 01:28:52,770the French guy. Yeah. Yeah.French. Yeah.133201:28:54,510 --> 01:28:58,470The he, he kept say he kept sortof, he's like, Nah, that's just133301:28:58,470 --> 01:29:00,570not right. It was toocomplicated, too complicated. To133401:29:00,570 --> 01:29:06,270finally I think we finallyworked it out to where, I guess133501:29:06,270 --> 01:29:10,230sort of got his his idea. Andwhat he was saying was, you133601:29:10,230 --> 01:29:14,430know, just make it where youhave multiple tags available in133701:29:14,430 --> 01:29:19,320the feed, you can put multipleblock tags in. Here's, here's133801:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,460the way it goes. If we're tryingto maintain backwards133901:29:23,460 --> 01:29:27,210compatibility with the iTunesblock tag. So you put the block134001:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,840in the podcast block tag, if youhave in your feed something this134101:29:30,840 --> 01:29:37,080is podcast, podcast blog, yes.If that's the tag, then it134201:29:37,110 --> 01:29:43,170operates just like what peopleassume that the iTunes blog tag134301:29:43,260 --> 01:29:47,040does now, which is blogeverything. This is essentially134401:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,090a private feed. I don't wantanybody any services ingesting134501:29:51,090 --> 01:29:55,200it and showing it publicly. It'sIt's not meant for public134601:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,100consumption. Got it. That's thebaseline. Now the iTunes tag134701:29:59,100 --> 01:30:00,780doesn't actually mean that we've134801:30:00,780 --> 01:30:03,960gone over this before, right?But this is what this will mean.134901:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,440Yes,135001:30:04,500 --> 01:30:06,660yes. This is what everybodythought it means. So that's what135101:30:06,660 --> 01:30:12,210this this formalizes that. Thenyou have podcasts blog. No,135201:30:12,900 --> 01:30:15,810that's the same as the blog tagjust not being present at all,135301:30:15,840 --> 01:30:20,910again, just like the iTunes,right, right. Then you can have135401:30:20,940 --> 01:30:25,860an ID and optional ID attribute.So you can say podcast block, id135501:30:25,890 --> 01:30:29,490equals, and the name of theservice. Now, there's a slug135601:30:29,490 --> 01:30:34,860list involved, which I don't,I'm not crazy about. But it's135701:30:34,860 --> 01:30:39,330just as we, we really could notfigure out a way to make it less135801:30:39,990 --> 01:30:40,650complicated. You're135901:30:40,650 --> 01:30:43,410always going to need a sluglist, I guess. Or some version136001:30:43,410 --> 01:30:44,910of it. Yeah, yeah. Cuz136101:30:44,910 --> 01:30:48,420we thought about doing like TLDor not TLDs. But like a domain136201:30:48,420 --> 01:30:51,090names. Like, like, if you wantedto blog Google, we say136301:30:51,120 --> 01:30:57,570google.com. But But honestly, ifthe if the service. Like, if the136401:30:57,570 --> 01:31:00,750company has multiple properties,you'd have to be doing multiple136501:31:01,140 --> 01:31:04,320domains. And if they changetheir name, their domain name is136601:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,990probably gonna change anyway. Soit just it's like at the end of136701:31:06,990 --> 01:31:09,360the day, it was just okay sluglist. And we'll just keep it136801:31:09,390 --> 01:31:12,600will add to it it's a publicrepo people can add themselves136901:31:12,600 --> 01:31:18,630to it, blah, blah, blah. So youcan say, podcast block with a137001:31:18,630 --> 01:31:24,390node value of Yes, and an IDequals Google or ID equals137101:31:24,390 --> 01:31:25,050Amazon you137201:31:25,050 --> 01:31:27,240can have multiple times you canhave multiple of those for the137301:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,310all the different services youwant to block.137401:31:29,849 --> 01:31:34,919Right? Okay, so you want them inyou can do the opposite. Also,137501:31:34,919 --> 01:31:39,539you can say, podcast block witha value of No, and the idea is137601:31:39,539 --> 01:31:43,739Google or Amazon or Spotify orApple or blah blah blah. So the137701:31:43,739 --> 01:31:47,339way the weights you can combinethese you can say you can have137801:31:47,339 --> 01:31:50,579one block you can have a blocktag a generic general block tag137901:31:50,579 --> 01:31:54,419of Yes. Meaning block everythingand then you can follow that up138001:31:54,419 --> 01:32:00,629with block ID Google No, BlockID Amazon No. So you can have138101:32:00,629 --> 01:32:03,809three block tags one of them isdoes not have an ID and just138201:32:03,809 --> 01:32:07,529says yes, that means blockeverything the Google and Amazon138301:32:07,529 --> 01:32:12,359IDs have no so those will beopen. Those will be open means I138401:32:12,359 --> 01:32:16,649want to block everybody exceptGoogle and Amazon. If you if you138501:32:16,649 --> 01:32:23,669flip flop and say no and sayonly include ID Google yes and138601:32:23,669 --> 01:32:28,259Amazon yes, that means blockdon't block anybody except do138701:32:28,259 --> 01:32:32,879block Google and Amazon. So itbasically it sounds more138801:32:32,879 --> 01:32:33,479complicated.138901:32:33,480 --> 01:32:36,630No Yes, it makes total sense.You can set it up however you139001:32:36,630 --> 01:32:40,290want you have any any anyversion of combinations I love139101:32:40,290 --> 01:32:42,330it sounds perfect. It's approved139201:32:44,910 --> 01:32:49,350podcast so you can just like asa host or as a platform I mean139301:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,710as a service that wanting toingest this feed all you got to139401:32:52,710 --> 01:32:55,740do really is just say it youjust go through a sequence and139501:32:55,740 --> 01:33:04,500say does does pod does podcastdoes does the block tag exists139601:33:04,500 --> 01:33:09,180with my ID in it right and thenwhat it was either a yes or no139701:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,960yes say about my if it does thenI'll just follow the rule there139801:33:13,050 --> 01:33:16,740and ingest it or not based onwhat it says if I if I'm not139901:33:16,740 --> 01:33:20,100specifically called out in thefeed you're good to go and just140001:33:20,100 --> 01:33:24,690follow I just follow the generaltag and if there's a yes in140101:33:24,690 --> 01:33:28,470there I don't ingest it ifthere's nothing in there or no I140201:33:28,470 --> 01:33:31,920do ingest it. It's prettysimple. Beautiful ingestion140301:33:32,099 --> 01:33:37,589beautiful. Another anotherelement is in the books Yeah, I140401:33:37,589 --> 01:33:39,959can't wait to use it. I can'twait for it to show up and curio140501:33:39,959 --> 01:33:43,559caster so I can put a bigSpotify equals no everywhere.140601:33:45,540 --> 01:33:46,920This is what gets you introuble.140701:33:46,950 --> 01:33:48,960Oh, no, no, no, I've beenwaiting. This is I've been140801:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,230waiting for it. I'm good forthis. I like it. A couple other140901:33:52,230 --> 01:33:57,690ones I want to put no on. You'vegiven me an evil tool. Dave141001:33:57,690 --> 01:33:58,260Jones.141101:33:58,799 --> 01:34:01,079Yeah, that's what this is allabout. That's what the whole141201:34:01,079 --> 01:34:03,089project is about is creatingevil tools.141301:34:03,150 --> 01:34:06,270I want to thank our guests inthe board room today. Moritz141401:34:06,270 --> 01:34:11,460Kaminski and Michael boomin fromAlby get lb.com guys thank you141501:34:11,460 --> 01:34:14,370so much for being here forspending time I know that you're141601:34:14,970 --> 01:34:17,550so what is it there? You'rerunning on about nine o'clock141701:34:17,550 --> 01:34:18,060now.141801:34:19,019 --> 01:34:20,129It's actually nine o'clock141901:34:20,160 --> 01:34:24,090no worries now it's a pleasureto be on the show with you142001:34:24,570 --> 01:34:27,480and and make sure that anythingyou you're already on142101:34:27,480 --> 01:34:30,420podcasting, Rockstar social toobut anything anything you need142201:34:30,420 --> 01:34:34,320let us know anything you got topromote any new anything. Any142301:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,380new things you have let us knowthis is it's your board. It's142401:34:37,380 --> 01:34:40,320your board meeting too. And weappreciate having you in the142501:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,350group in the in the project isreally really cool to have you142601:34:43,350 --> 01:34:50,370here. Let's keep building Yes,keep building indeed. Mr. Jones?142701:34:51,150 --> 01:34:53,280Yes, sir. Anything anythingelse?142801:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,120Now I'm just gonna I've got someprogramming to do hopefully this142901:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,370weekend and get some things doneand then143001:35:00,450 --> 01:35:02,250Before you know we're off toDallas.143101:35:03,090 --> 01:35:05,790Yeah, yeah, I got it. I got 20slides to get rid of.143201:35:08,010 --> 01:35:11,130That's right. I've got to learnhow to speak at 1.5 speed143301:35:11,130 --> 01:35:16,380everything's gonna be beautiful.Yeah. All right, everybody have143401:35:16,380 --> 01:35:20,340a great, great weekend. Dave,Miko and mauve. We'll see y'all143501:35:20,340 --> 01:35:20,700soon.143601:35:22,140 --> 01:35:42,660Bye Bye You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast143701:35:42,660 --> 01:35:49,950index.org for more information.We have the booths boost