Episode 96: Foie Gras

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,210 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for August 5 2020 to Episode 96 Flog dry 2 00:00:06,210 --> 00:00:14,730 anyone once again, right, it's time for the weekly board 3 00:00:14,730 --> 00:00:18,300 meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Find out what's going on with the 4 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:21,150 future of podcasting, which happens to be here today. 5 00:00:21,450 --> 00:00:23,610 Everything going on in podcasting index.org, the 6 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:26,670 namespace for the podcast standards, of course everything 7 00:00:26,670 --> 00:00:31,470 happening with value for value and with podcasting index dot 8 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:37,020 social where all the brain power aggregates during the week. If 9 00:00:37,020 --> 00:00:39,480 you're ready, I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas 10 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:43,410 Hill Country and in Alabama. my roomie for Podcast Movement, my 11 00:00:43,410 --> 00:00:47,610 friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones 12 00:00:48,450 --> 00:00:54,780 would really happy Friday, really, really? Happy Friday, 13 00:00:54,930 --> 00:00:56,580 bringing in a 90s word up. 14 00:00:57,030 --> 00:01:01,920 Yeah, it's it's it's Friday and pod thing still running? 15 00:01:01,950 --> 00:01:06,990 Yes. You mean all in all regions, all areas? We've got 16 00:01:06,990 --> 00:01:11,310 hive power, it's up and running. We have global global high 17 00:01:11,310 --> 00:01:16,740 power. Yeah. What happened? Exactly the system was down and 18 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:21,060 was was, I mean, tell me what was going on? It seemed like 19 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:22,440 everything was still kind of working. 20 00:01:23,369 --> 00:01:26,309 Yeah. Now what it wasn't this was not a this was not a 21 00:01:26,309 --> 00:01:29,819 disaster like it was last week. So what yeah, what he figured 22 00:01:29,819 --> 00:01:33,689 out is that there is some sort of memory leak or something is 23 00:01:33,689 --> 00:01:39,389 probably in the hive writer in like the light hive library is 24 00:01:39,389 --> 00:01:43,679 being used for the rider. And so that's the only thing we can 25 00:01:43,679 --> 00:01:46,949 figure out long running sort of long running process. 26 00:01:47,430 --> 00:01:50,370 Like some of the shittiest things to have to have to track 27 00:01:50,370 --> 00:01:52,050 down though memory leaks. 28 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:56,070 Yeah, for sure. Let the race there's a lot of there's a few 29 00:01:56,070 --> 00:01:58,890 things in, you know, computer science, computer programming 30 00:01:58,890 --> 00:02:01,530 that are really difficult race conditions being one of them, 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,690 you know, in parallel programming. Memory Leaks are 32 00:02:06,690 --> 00:02:10,740 another one there. They're not. They're easier with decent debug 33 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:14,910 tools. But I just don't know, on the Python side. How those 34 00:02:15,150 --> 00:02:18,750 things look, or a lot of Python libraries are wrappers around 35 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:25,800 other around other language libraries. So you know, I don't 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,280 I'm not I'm not sure how much of this is native. And they could 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,020 be a wrapper around a C. C library or binary or something 38 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:36,990 like that. I just don't know how that works. And it's, that's 39 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:41,250 part of the issue is that I am running this code. Well, I got a 40 00:02:41,250 --> 00:02:42,540 dough there's a double pew. 41 00:02:43,050 --> 00:02:47,370 Really? Oh, did you get that double? As a GPU? Oh, that 42 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:48,990 wasn't supposed to happen. I wonder why. 43 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,930 It's like a trampoline and peered off the trampoline, isn't 44 00:02:51,930 --> 00:02:57,600 it? No, that's nasty. And the, but I don't I don't know how. 45 00:02:57,990 --> 00:03:02,220 I'm not a Python programmer. So I don't understand much of what 46 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:06,780 I'm looking at. And so when these things happen, I'm like, 47 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:09,570 just trying to scramble and figure it out and post over to 48 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:13,770 Alex and Brian, like, well, you know, what is this screenshot? 49 00:03:14,130 --> 00:03:18,900 Right? And but anyway, it wasn't a big deal. I think these are 50 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:25,860 low memory instances, the VMs. And so I think adding Docker to 51 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:31,530 it, added a load significantly reduced the memory. 52 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,410 I'm bringing, I'm almost I'm almost sorry, I asked to be 53 00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:34,950 honest. 54 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,170 Ask a question. You know, you 55 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:42,720 went really deep, all of a sudden, it's like, wow, okay, 56 00:03:42,750 --> 00:03:44,490 wait, we're at Docker. 57 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,300 Straight to Docker. I think we figured it out. For now, I'm 58 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:54,270 just restarting the Docker container every 30 minutes, 59 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:59,430 which is way conservative for what this was. But it just, it 60 00:03:59,430 --> 00:04:01,590 just makes sure that the memory thing doesn't happen again. I 61 00:04:01,590 --> 00:04:05,730 mean, these things run all the time. And they they produce 62 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:11,070 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of pod pings. So if you have a small 63 00:04:11,070 --> 00:04:13,410 memory leak, eventually it's going to catch gonna catch up 64 00:04:13,410 --> 00:04:16,500 for you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But the good thing about Docker is 65 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:18,720 it makes it super easy, because all you got to do is just like, 66 00:04:18,750 --> 00:04:23,220 do a Docker restart every half hour. And it's like it just, 67 00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:25,290 it's fixed. Now, 68 00:04:25,530 --> 00:04:29,040 now, but we didn't lose any, any pings. And we were able to go 69 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,320 back and we had everything the way it's supposed to work. So 70 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,190 that was perfect, then. 71 00:04:32,580 --> 00:04:38,160 No, we did not lose anything because somebody created a 72 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:42,390 incredible queueing system. Oh, that that is written to disk. 73 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:47,010 And so even if even if the server goes down, comes back up. 74 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:49,950 All the pings are still they're nice. They just empty the queue. 75 00:04:50,070 --> 00:04:52,170 Nice. Good. Nice. Yep. 76 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:56,250 Okay, all right. So we got that solved. I've just been messing 77 00:04:56,250 --> 00:05:00,540 with my setup. I got one of those Beeline peace. he's ever 78 00:05:00,540 --> 00:05:01,230 seen these 79 00:05:01,740 --> 00:05:04,050 never even heard of it. Oh, it's 80 00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:07,620 it's always basically like a like the size of a Raspberry Pi 81 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:13,440 with an enclosure. And it's 180 bucks. And you know, it has two 82 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:21,420 HDMI is four USB three ports. Yeah, when it comes with Windows 83 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:24,990 11, I was like, you know, this the, the surface that I've been 84 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:29,910 using for the for producing the show and running the studio. You 85 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,130 know, I was getting blue screens of death and stuff like that. 86 00:05:32,130 --> 00:05:34,350 Well, let me let me set up something different kind of in 87 00:05:34,350 --> 00:05:37,140 anticipation of being able to switch completely to Linux to 88 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:41,250 just see, okay, if I switch to another Windows box entirely, 89 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:43,680 can I get everything back up and running and now with the road, 90 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,990 the road caster to the road caster Pro two? Absolutely. But 91 00:05:48,990 --> 00:05:51,990 I've been really disappointed windows 11, you can no longer 92 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:56,460 scale down your desktop the way you used to. Do remember, it was 93 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:58,950 used to be real simple, you right click on the desktop, and 94 00:05:58,950 --> 00:06:01,410 there was, you know, properties or whatever, and you could 95 00:06:01,410 --> 00:06:05,700 downscale so you could make stuff really small and have all 96 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,520 this real estate that's gone. Now you can you can't go below 97 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,300 100%. 98 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,150 See, can you not go and find the actual resolution settings that? 99 00:06:15,390 --> 00:06:15,720 Oh, no, 100 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,920 no, I'm at the res, I meant the highest resolution. But that 101 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,310 still gives me you know, basically. So I got a big screen 102 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:26,460 a 27 inch screen from Acer touchscreen. And I'll talk about 103 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:29,310 that in a second. And but you know, basically I just have a 104 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:33,660 giant windows, you know, like, with icons are as big as my 105 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:37,860 head. So you can you can scale that down. But it's still pretty 106 00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:42,270 big. And I want it much, much smaller. And you think you used 107 00:06:42,270 --> 00:06:45,210 to be able to do that. I remember doing that. Oh, yeah, 108 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,460 yeah, yeah, you can do that. And I'm sure you can't do it 109 00:06:47,460 --> 00:06:48,570 anymore. You can't. 110 00:06:49,980 --> 00:06:52,590 Isn't there and just grayed out? No, 111 00:06:52,590 --> 00:06:55,620 no, there is not even there. You can you can scale up. You can 112 00:06:55,620 --> 00:07:02,550 zoom in, but you can't zoom out. Which is weird. Yeah. It's And 113 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:07,080 besides that, this, that screen gave so much buzz and shit on my 114 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,430 microphones like this is a nonstarter anyway, and now I had 115 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:15,930 for some reason I have a buzz again. It's like, I know you 116 00:07:15,930 --> 00:07:17,070 don't hear it, but I hear it. 117 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,280 No, I don't hear when it Where's this one coming from? 118 00:07:20,309 --> 00:07:23,519 I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't know if it's the screen. 119 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:27,539 Let me see you sit over here. Yeah, it's it's everything. It's 120 00:07:27,539 --> 00:07:32,879 everything. Just everything? I don't know. I blamed around me, 121 00:07:32,909 --> 00:07:33,989 I blame the Germans. 122 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:37,920 Yeah. I mean, luckily, they're not here. 123 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:41,250 So not here. Not yet. Not yet. Now, we'll get to our guests in 124 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:45,690 a moment. So we're live, we're live. We are living the value 125 00:07:45,690 --> 00:07:49,170 for value lifestyle. It's the brand new value for value is the 126 00:07:49,170 --> 00:07:52,260 new international lifestyle. I don't know if you've noticed 127 00:07:52,260 --> 00:07:54,270 that. This is this is my new mantra. 128 00:07:56,220 --> 00:07:58,230 Every value for value into your life. 129 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:00,840 Yes. Once you we accept value for value into your life. 130 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,320 Everything changes the way you buy things, the way you evaluate 131 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,940 your actions. You're always looking for proof of work. Oh, 132 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:11,130 yeah, I'm getting really good at this. 133 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:12,960 You did this ago. 134 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,780 Man. Okay, so we had all kinds of stuff happening again this 135 00:08:18,780 --> 00:08:23,460 week. It seems like ships on fire. We got all kinds of stuff 136 00:08:23,460 --> 00:08:24,030 going on. 137 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:34,350 Cast dos cast is put put in the C cast has already had you where 138 00:08:34,350 --> 00:08:40,500 you could put in your node key, your pub key, right in in there. 139 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,720 They also added in custom key custom value. So now you can put 140 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,480 it now you can do an lb wallet. Or 141 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:51,330 do they have one click in agreement? We should we'll find 142 00:08:51,330 --> 00:08:53,610 out more later. But they have one click integration. 143 00:08:54,030 --> 00:08:58,230 Negative no one click integration yet. That's that's 144 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:02,400 that's supposedly on the on the roadmap. Because math 145 00:09:03,060 --> 00:09:07,890 just appeared overnight. I told you that we were seeing 146 00:09:07,890 --> 00:09:10,260 competition in the hosting business again. It's really 147 00:09:10,260 --> 00:09:11,970 beautiful. I love watching this, 148 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:17,730 you know, went back. I don't I don't always do this. But I went 149 00:09:17,730 --> 00:09:25,440 back and listened to last week's show. And you said something on 150 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,640 there that I had sort of myth? No, no, it's not that you'd said 151 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,000 something there that I've kind of missed the first time around. 152 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,500 Yeah. And but I think you're I think you're dead on I think 153 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:42,120 what's happened? You You made the comment. It was something 154 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:48,240 like the hosting companies have been sort of all in the same 155 00:09:49,710 --> 00:09:54,480 mark mindset of trying to produce dynamic ad insertion or 156 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,750 dynamic content. Let's just call it dynamic content because it's 157 00:09:57,750 --> 00:10:03,510 not all ads. Um, There's been a big dynamic content push. Yeah. 158 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:08,970 And I think a lot of the hosting company brain power has been 159 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:14,640 tied up in trying to get that up and going from, you know, let's 160 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,500 just say I mean, from a competition standpoint, I mean, 161 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:19,410 there's everybody's doing it. So you really have to do that, too. 162 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:26,160 But then, you know, once that is, once that's done, and it's 163 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,950 getting to the end stages of that is becoming a thing that's 164 00:10:28,950 --> 00:10:32,100 come out, not commoditized. But there's becoming a common thing 165 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:35,550 around the around the hosting, didn't didn't now you're like, 166 00:10:35,550 --> 00:10:40,680 Okay, what do we do next? Right. And and what's next? Is this. 167 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:44,520 There's this big slate of podcasting 2.0 features that are 168 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,340 out there that are just sort of, I wouldn't say low hanging 169 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:50,280 fruit, because that implies that it's easy when it's not exactly. 170 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:55,140 But there's just this big repertoire to choose from, okay, 171 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:59,280 I have potentially 10 different features I can add, which which 172 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,060 ones do I want? And I think we're starting to see is, is 173 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:04,500 movement on those things? 174 00:11:04,890 --> 00:11:10,800 Oh, absolutely. It's, well, maybe I should backtrack and say 175 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,670 how appreciative I am I, you know, considering my new 176 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:18,180 international lifestyle of value for value, and how appreciative 177 00:11:18,210 --> 00:11:22,590 I am of where we are now. We're almost two years in, it'll be 178 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,680 Episode 100, or 104. I guess is that would we're close to you. 179 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:31,020 When did we start? We should we should track this down? 180 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,420 Never know this stuff? Don't 181 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:36,390 you have an installed log or something for the first first 182 00:11:36,390 --> 00:11:41,250 machine that we brought out? The first RSS feed suckers? 183 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:46,920 Again, I can tell you when we got our first bill for Linode. 184 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:50,040 All right, yeah, that would that would be useful. Yeah, that that 185 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,610 would be about that. That would be right. So within two years, 186 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:56,520 and it doesn't feel like two years, it just feels like we 187 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,300 just been just getting started for some reason. It doesn't feel 188 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:03,180 like two years, but everybody who has participated everybody 189 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:07,260 who's supported the project financially, all the developers 190 00:12:07,260 --> 00:12:10,170 everybody on podcasts index dot social people who contribute to 191 00:12:10,170 --> 00:12:16,560 the GitHub. So you know, hosting companies podcasters interested 192 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:22,440 parties, no agenda nation. Just so many people are have have 193 00:12:22,470 --> 00:12:26,100 brought us to where we are today. Where holy moly, I mean, 194 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:30,930 crap. We have integration, we have Interop We have people 195 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:34,410 integrating this into their workflows. There's talk about 196 00:12:34,410 --> 00:12:38,010 it. I mean, I'm, I look at get alby.com and they have a whole 197 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:39,810 value for value explanation. 198 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:43,470 I love you better than ours. Yeah, hell 199 00:12:43,470 --> 00:12:47,610 yeah. But and but this was also kind of the idea is like 200 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:53,130 podcasting markets itself. It's the podcasters talking the the, 201 00:12:53,580 --> 00:12:56,340 the audiences listen, they participate, they get into the 202 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:59,910 game, they tell other podcasters. You know, that's how 203 00:12:59,910 --> 00:13:03,870 it's always kind of supposed to supposed to work, and it does. 204 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:09,810 And I'm just blown away by it. You know, it's like, it's I've 205 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,110 had so many ventures in my life, by far, this is the most 206 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:18,300 successful, the most fun, and the most rewarding. The any, and 207 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:20,940 we're broke, of course, we're broke, but otherwise, 208 00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:25,350 which well, I'll say that for our guests, because I want to 209 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:27,840 get their take on this as well. But now I think you're right. 210 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:34,530 There's, there's there's movement, I think, but in that, 211 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,530 because of what we talked about a while ago with the you know, 212 00:13:37,530 --> 00:13:40,260 with the just the hosting paradigm and the way that they 213 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:43,980 move forward with things, but also think that there's 214 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:47,700 beginning to be a better understanding of what, and this 215 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:51,000 is probably probably this is part of just project maturity. 216 00:13:52,590 --> 00:13:56,100 There is there's probably a I don't know this, for sure 217 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,040 certain, but I can imagine there's a there's a sort of 218 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,070 maturity curve that comes along with any open source project 219 00:14:02,070 --> 00:14:05,430 that's long, this sort of a long term project like this. Sure, 220 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:09,090 sure. And so, you know, me and Utah, talked to some people this 221 00:14:09,090 --> 00:14:14,760 week and had a really good conversation. And we did. We 222 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,120 did. 223 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:21,630 Oh, I remember, two days ago. Sorry, man, I'm on main monitor 224 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:24,510 hell, okay. COVID. Very long. 225 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:30,300 And so you were talking to them, and that this just came up in 226 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:37,620 that discussion, to where as we had to get some of these tags 227 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:42,480 and things features into the namespace that didn't at the 228 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,070 time look like they made. They didn't look compelling. Maybe 229 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,750 things like an alternate enclosure. And it's like, okay, 230 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:57,330 well, this thing's good to have. And it's an it's neat. And, 231 00:14:57,450 --> 00:15:01,620 yeah, in a perfect world, it would be great. But I mean, I'm 232 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:04,980 really not going to spend any developer time on it. Because I 233 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:10,920 mean, who cares. But then, as the project matures, and you 234 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,790 begin to have these other layers that develop, so then you then 235 00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:18,810 you go to things like the live item, right? With a live item. 236 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:25,110 Alter enclosure makes way more sense. Social interaction makes 237 00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:29,220 way more sense. Medium makes way more, it's kind 238 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:32,490 of like we have like, we built this stack of stuff. And now 239 00:15:32,490 --> 00:15:35,430 when you start to see the applications, like the LIVE TAG 240 00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:38,220 come on top of it, that's where it all really comes together, 241 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:40,710 because we have all those those building blocks that we can just 242 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:41,340 pull from. 243 00:15:41,939 --> 00:15:44,789 Yeah, yeah, I think so. And so you have to go through that sort 244 00:15:44,789 --> 00:15:48,599 of dole period where you're building things that nobody sees 245 00:15:48,599 --> 00:15:53,819 the the usefulness in, and then you put one piece in, and all of 246 00:15:53,819 --> 00:15:57,629 a sudden, it all makes sense, right? And then in I think that 247 00:15:57,629 --> 00:16:01,439 also delivers a level of trust to like, Okay, well, there was a 248 00:16:01,439 --> 00:16:04,859 long term vision here, and that's what this we can trust. 249 00:16:04,859 --> 00:16:04,949 And 250 00:16:05,850 --> 00:16:08,700 what was that long term vision, Dave, now that we were starting 251 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:14,160 to show poverty, right? I don't think we had a defined vision 252 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,390 other than, well, exactly what we're doing is like, put 253 00:16:18,390 --> 00:16:21,000 everything in that at least if there's an implementation, put 254 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,390 it in 255 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:25,290 the project. See that, and that's what's beautiful about is 256 00:16:25,290 --> 00:16:29,160 the project itself has a has a vision that the individual 257 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:34,440 people itself can understand. The market, almost you could 258 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,190 call it a market, I guess. I think it's beautiful. It's a 259 00:16:38,190 --> 00:16:40,950 beautiful. It's an emergent property man. 260 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:47,070 I would say that. It also took people a little while to 261 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:49,530 understand that there was such a thing, it's just an open 262 00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:55,050 project. And yes, yes, you could just tap into it. And no, 263 00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:59,250 there's no, there's no real registration, signup, fee, etc, 264 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:03,480 etc, it's value for value. And I think that that in combination 265 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,270 with the streaming value for value in the booster grabs, has 266 00:17:06,270 --> 00:17:10,560 kicked off something bigger than, than I expected. That's 267 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,380 why I say the international lifestyle is with us. 268 00:17:13,889 --> 00:17:20,039 I was thinking about this this morning about this is a this is 269 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:23,459 a difficult, but it's very Eros very rewarding. And it's been, 270 00:17:23,609 --> 00:17:27,239 you know, and I'm encouraged by the success and things, but it's 271 00:17:27,239 --> 00:17:31,919 also extremely difficult. Because I was having a 272 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:34,799 conversation back and forth on Twitter with Tanner Campbell 273 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:40,049 about value for value. And, you know, he was, you know, 274 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,619 aggravated about the low amounts of SATs and things like that. 275 00:17:43,619 --> 00:17:47,699 And, you know, saying, you know, this value for value means I get 276 00:17:47,699 --> 00:17:50,609 25 cents, you know, for my hard work with any of this visit 277 00:17:50,609 --> 00:17:55,799 bullshit. And that, you know, the thing is, that's the part 278 00:17:55,799 --> 00:18:00,059 that's difficult about it, is that this is the podcasting. 2.0 279 00:18:00,059 --> 00:18:08,309 is not it's not a, it's not one piece of something. It's, it's, 280 00:18:08,459 --> 00:18:16,139 it's code. It's, it's this show, it's the product, the community 281 00:18:16,169 --> 00:18:19,829 of discussions that happen is the project management in the 282 00:18:19,829 --> 00:18:24,119 GitHub. And then it's also this critical evangelism piece, where 283 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,439 you have to be constantly, like, explaining the vision and 284 00:18:28,439 --> 00:18:32,129 explaining all these things. Because if you take any one of 285 00:18:32,129 --> 00:18:35,219 those pieces out, the whole thing fails. And so it's it 286 00:18:35,219 --> 00:18:40,949 really requires, like, that's, when I'm driving my truck. It's 287 00:18:40,949 --> 00:18:46,379 a three on, you know, three on a tree. So it looks like it's like 288 00:18:46,379 --> 00:18:50,309 an all when you're when you're driving that it's it required 289 00:18:50,339 --> 00:18:54,509 every bit of you to maintain to maintain driving, you know, both 290 00:18:54,509 --> 00:18:57,119 arms are working, both legs are working, you know, in you know, 291 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,909 you gotta stay you gotta stay fully engaged, or else you know, 292 00:18:59,909 --> 00:19:02,279 the whole thing flops. Yeah, and that is what it feels like with 293 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:07,049 it's just, it requires all of it requires all of you to be 294 00:19:07,049 --> 00:19:13,859 engaged, or else, it just fades, or it falls or flops in that 295 00:19:13,859 --> 00:19:16,259 regard has been the hardest thing there's I've ever done. 296 00:19:16,410 --> 00:19:21,720 There's also a an expectation, when in technology in general, 297 00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:26,220 that it's just automatically works. And then the magic money 298 00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:30,060 drops out the back end spits value for value, you just get 299 00:19:30,060 --> 00:19:35,520 the fountain app, and it just works. You get money. No. And I 300 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:40,230 would have to see the exchange with Tanner. But this is this is 301 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:45,990 a downside of the comments that Fountain has implemented, which 302 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:52,050 by default are very low 10 SATs or maybe 20 SATs. So I think 303 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:54,990 someone who was just using it for the first time doesn't get 304 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:59,940 the same experience. Whereas if you integrate it into the you're 305 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,290 you're programming itself, and you have the feedback loop and 306 00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:09,030 you ask for value in return for value, the numbers will be much 307 00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:13,200 higher, but there's this instant gratification type, I just 308 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:17,340 connect to this I register I, I sign up, and I'm good to go. And 309 00:20:17,340 --> 00:20:20,070 the money keeps the money drops in which I think people also 310 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:23,820 believe will happen with advertising. None of which is 311 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:30,450 true. So it's, it's so much more than just a bunch of 312 00:20:30,450 --> 00:20:34,590 technologies it to me, it's upgraded podcasting, and the 313 00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:41,250 whole concept of podcasting or the from the the interactivity 314 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,620 of podcasting. It's what people have been talking about for a 315 00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:46,740 long time. It needs to be more interactive. Well, here it is, 316 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,480 but you do have to work at it. 317 00:20:49,379 --> 00:20:52,109 See, that's the thing that I you know, you I think you nailed it, 318 00:20:52,109 --> 00:20:58,469 because we you have there's the value for value philosophy, part 319 00:20:58,469 --> 00:21:01,259 of it has been by far the hardest thing to explain to 320 00:21:01,259 --> 00:21:07,679 people. Yeah, it's, it's a mind. It's a mind Twister. Because, 321 00:21:08,219 --> 00:21:12,119 like, what Tanner was saying was, you know, essentially, you 322 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,659 know, this I have, I have a valuable thing here and in 323 00:21:15,869 --> 00:21:20,429 people are, you know, this diva, the fact that somebody can give 324 00:21:20,429 --> 00:21:24,719 me 25 cents, devalues the valuable thing that I'm giving 325 00:21:24,719 --> 00:21:25,139 away? 326 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,590 Oh, that's fantastic. Because what he's doing is he is valuing 327 00:21:28,590 --> 00:21:32,220 his own work very highly, which is, of course appropriate. But 328 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:35,790 he has no right to determine the value for someone on the other 329 00:21:35,790 --> 00:21:39,810 end, he can't do that. Yes, he has no idea. And so he's forcing 330 00:21:39,810 --> 00:21:42,960 this idea of how valuable it is, which is actually kind of 331 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,750 arrogant. But also this? 332 00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:48,450 Yeah, that's what I told him. I was like, well, you you can't, 333 00:21:48,810 --> 00:21:53,130 you can't determine somebody else's value. And he gave the 334 00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:56,700 example of, you know, what about an art gallery or a lemonade 335 00:21:56,700 --> 00:22:00,390 stand, you know, you can't just give that stuff away. But, but 336 00:22:00,390 --> 00:22:01,020 the fact is, 337 00:22:01,050 --> 00:22:03,570 those are physical products, it's a little different with a 338 00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:05,910 digital product, like a podcast, 339 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,780 there is that. But there's also the fact that there's lots of 340 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:11,640 people that are never going to come, they're never going to 341 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,730 stop at your lemonade stand you right. And those are the people 342 00:22:14,730 --> 00:22:16,860 those are the freeloaders, essentially, those are the 343 00:22:16,860 --> 00:22:21,360 people that didn't value your your your product high enough to 344 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,760 pay you for it, it's just a little bit different here 345 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,910 because they can listen for free, if they want to. But the 346 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:30,120 the fact remains, the reason they're not paying you whether 347 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,600 it's lemonade or a podcast is the same and either in either 348 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,680 case, is they don't value you enough to pay you. They don't 349 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,650 value your product high enough to pay you and you can't change 350 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:46,410 that. You can't do it you you can't extract, you can't go into 351 00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:49,770 value for value thinking that what you're doing is what you're 352 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:54,690 going to do is extract the value that you place on your show 353 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:56,670 exactly from the audience. 354 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,330 That's it doesn't work that way, believe me, I think I should be 355 00:23:00,330 --> 00:23:03,690 making much more money in my own mind, 356 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:10,710 to all you can do, all you can do is is, is engage with your 357 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:15,060 audience in a way that's proven to help you extract the value 358 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:20,220 that they put in it. Because they if they value it, you can 359 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:24,000 help them understand that they need to give it back to you. If 360 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,120 they don't, they'll never give it back to you regardless. 361 00:23:28,170 --> 00:23:34,050 Even if they find it valuable. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway, 362 00:23:34,170 --> 00:23:38,490 I want to talk more value for a value with our guest today in 363 00:23:38,490 --> 00:23:42,750 the in the boardroom by the way. According to Burberry, the very 364 00:23:42,750 --> 00:23:47,430 first episode of podcasting 2.0 came out on September 11 2020. 365 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:55,770 No way Yeah, about that. bombshell. bombshell. 366 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:58,740 Well, there you go conspiracy theory. I didn't even know it. 367 00:23:58,740 --> 00:23:59,910 This is a great conspiracy theory. 368 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:04,710 I think so. It's an it's a new start a new project for a New 369 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:05,880 American Century. 370 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:07,440 A building seven. Yeah. 371 00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:11,610 It was bringing our guest today they are new to the podcasting 372 00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:15,300 scene and they just kind of burst on coming from the world 373 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:19,920 of the Lightning Network. Now integrated into rss.com Cast DOS 374 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:24,720 and many other podcasting 2.0 products please welcome. I 375 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,830 believe that two co founders of Alby Miko boomin and Moritz 376 00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:29,460 Kaminski. 377 00:24:31,650 --> 00:24:34,530 I ever everybody. Thanks for having me. 378 00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:39,150 Hey, all right. Okay, so we have Michael you're also known as 379 00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:42,360 Bhumi on on podcast index on social 380 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,020 that's that's me. Exactly. Mostly on the internet. I go to 381 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:46,290 me 382 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:51,180 Bumi and Morris, do we have a nickname for you? Oh, no, it's 383 00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:52,920 just more words. or more. 384 00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:57,330 Yeah, the Deutsche Mark. Okay, I like it. Perfect 385 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:03,060 Malema. Who does what who and Mo Mo is the money man and Bumi is 386 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:04,440 the programmer. Is that how this works? 387 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,810 Yeah, it's like this. So not really money, man. But I do a 388 00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:12,780 lot of project management with the IV project. 389 00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:16,020 Okay, I just thought you were some I thought you were like a 390 00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:17,670 billionaire, and you just bankrolled the whole thing. 391 00:25:22,890 --> 00:25:25,710 All right, now let's, let's get this set up, because all of a 392 00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:29,400 sudden Alby came out, I heard about it actually from I think 393 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,310 Roy from breeze he said, Hey, these guys are doing something 394 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:38,640 interesting. It is, in a way, similar to what podcasting 2.0 395 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,570 has been using with LNP as an example, but you clearly have a 396 00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:47,940 broader vision since you came from. You kind of entered the 397 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:54,090 market with your browser extension. Tell me how it 398 00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:58,770 started. And then if you don't mind, how you guys found 399 00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:02,400 podcasting 2.0. And kind of a brief history, I guess, of the 400 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,490 past year or so it doesn't seem that very that long, you've had 401 00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:06,240 this up and running? 402 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,260 Yeah, a lot of things happen in a short period of time. Exactly. 403 00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:16,110 So yeah, the brief history would probably be, I was always 404 00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:21,840 excited about the idea of bringing value streams to the 405 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,640 internet, to interview. And I think that was missing. So far, 406 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,990 we couldn't transfer value the same way that we could transfer 407 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:37,380 information online. And this is when I actually also discovered 408 00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:40,650 Bitcoin, and especially the Lightning Network, which was got 409 00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:44,850 me excited because I think there, we now suddenly have a 410 00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:49,350 protocol, like a system that makes this possible. We have 411 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:53,850 this programmable magic good. And that internet money now. And 412 00:26:54,330 --> 00:26:58,260 the idea now is, what can we do with that? And what happens if 413 00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:03,480 we bring that value stream to interactions that we do online? 414 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:09,570 And that's kind of the question and the idea that got me started 415 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:16,560 on coding and programming what later became lb, which was first 416 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,880 a browser extension, browser extension for that reason, 417 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,910 because if we want to bring this value stream to develop, I'm 418 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:29,400 interacting with the web is the process that we have to teach 419 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,510 the browser, basically, how to use the Lightning Network and 420 00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:35,370 how to transfer value. And that's what we do with the 421 00:27:35,370 --> 00:27:41,250 browser extension. And yeah, this is, this is how it started. 422 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:44,610 I mean, there have been a bunch of open source projects, doing 423 00:27:44,610 --> 00:27:47,850 similar things, you know, we all Standing on the Shoulder of 424 00:27:47,850 --> 00:27:54,780 Giants here. And a lot of things has happened in the, in the last 425 00:27:54,780 --> 00:28:05,640 in the last year. And regards to podcasting, or podcasting, 2.0 I 426 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,120 think the pot like when I'd first discovered I don't 427 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,600 remember actually when I first discovered the podcasting 2.0 428 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:19,680 world. But I remember that I was as excited as when I first heard 429 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,430 about podcasting back then and RSS back then, like, I don't 430 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:27,450 know, 15 years ago, or whatever that was, and was blown away by 431 00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:31,830 the innovation that we see there. And by the new tools and 432 00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:36,480 the new building blocks that have been described there. And 433 00:28:36,510 --> 00:28:39,330 especially the Yeah, obviously, especially the value tag, 434 00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:44,220 because that's fits fits very valid to the idea that I just 435 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:49,140 described of, of transferring value from, from the listener 436 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:53,700 from the consumer to the, to the producer to the Creator. And the 437 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,730 way that you have a saying like the value for value lifestyle. 438 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:02,190 And yeah, that's how I think these things came together 439 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:10,860 to give me an idea of, of the operation itself, you just have 440 00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:16,260 one giant node and you have your kind of your account management 441 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:19,950 system on top of that. How does it actually work? 442 00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:26,400 I mean, one goal that we have is and you've been talking before 443 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,570 about building blocks, right? And I think slowly, we have all 444 00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:33,480 these building blocks. We as a lightning community, we as a 445 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,140 podcasting 2.0 community, we have all these building blocks 446 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:41,550 and tools slowly together, that we can build applications that 447 00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:43,800 we can get closer to the user and that we can build 448 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:50,040 application on top of that. And so our focus for sure is we want 449 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:56,250 to experiment with things. What can what we can build on top of 450 00:29:56,250 --> 00:29:59,100 that, get to this application layer and also want to make it 451 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:03,330 easier for people to build applications there, but that's 452 00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:07,110 kind of the goal. In the end, you want that every basic, every 453 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:12,360 web developer can build tools around there. And so the 454 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:18,660 usability is one focus that we have. Still, obviously, we want 455 00:30:18,660 --> 00:30:20,820 to have it, that's the great thing. We want to have it 456 00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:24,780 interoperable. We put it on this interoperable open network, we 457 00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:29,670 have multiple nodes running. And what we also do, especially in 458 00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:32,760 the extension, is that people can connect their own nodes, 459 00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:37,530 right? So kind of we have this open, it's an open to it, right? 460 00:30:37,530 --> 00:30:42,510 So we can either run it for you to get you started. Or if you're 461 00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,630 like, a bit more advanced, and tools also make that easier to 462 00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:49,920 do, you can run your own node. And yeah, I think that's the 463 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,250 beauty because it's, it's, it's open, it's inclusive. It's for 464 00:30:56,250 --> 00:31:02,760 every spectrum of knowledge, user on on every spectrum, the 465 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,890 whole spectrum of knowledge can basically use it. 466 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,140 How does that work on the on the connector on Node side? So 467 00:31:10,170 --> 00:31:13,200 because I see it, does the extension itself actually 468 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,090 communicate with with lnd? Through through G RPC or rest or 469 00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:21,600 something like that? When you when you put that in there? Yes, 470 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:24,960 yes, exactly. Basically, we abstracted all the different 471 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,700 interfaces, and also tried to expose one common interface 472 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,060 there on the web. That's apple, and like the span of apple and 473 00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:37,350 how a website integrates with this lightning there. And 474 00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:40,200 basically, I think they have you did a bit of the heart to heart 475 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,230 work in writing all these connectors? 476 00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:45,870 Yeah, that is a lot of hard work. Because you have I mean, 477 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,540 with with lightning, with lightning nodes. So at least 478 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:55,530 with lnd, there's one protocol, I think, see, lightning didn't I 479 00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:59,430 don't think they even had a protocol until recently. Or like 480 00:31:59,430 --> 00:32:02,850 an exposed API, correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean, pretty 481 00:32:02,850 --> 00:32:05,490 much every implementation, even though they all speak a common 482 00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:08,190 language on the Lightning Network itself, they don't all 483 00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:10,920 speak the same language when it comes to interfacing with their 484 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,610 software. 485 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,540 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's a lot of 486 00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:17,100 hard work. You gotta respect from me, brother. 487 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,240 But I think this is, this is super important to understand 488 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,860 here that there is the ABI browser extension, this is what 489 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:29,220 we see one important building block when it comes to sort of 490 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:32,790 building the bridge between your private lightning wallet and, 491 00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:38,100 and lightning application on the web. And then there is also the 492 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:42,300 IP wallet, but is more like your spendings account, right? And 493 00:32:42,330 --> 00:32:46,020 you can use both together, if you want you can you connect the 494 00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:49,500 RP wallet, to the browser extension, and then spend your 495 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:54,720 SATs online or wherever you want. Or you can also use the 496 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,740 ALI browser extension without the LV wallet. But then with 497 00:32:58,740 --> 00:33:02,520 your own note in a noncustodial way and to be for us, it's just 498 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,770 important that the user has the choice how how to use the 499 00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:12,450 browser extension. And we don't want to give them like, we don't 500 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:15,630 want to force them to do something this day. So they 501 00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:20,400 should decide themselves. And well we can just do is we can 502 00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:25,530 just build the best service for for them so that they don't have 503 00:33:25,530 --> 00:33:29,460 any other reason to not use, for example, the the IV wallet, 504 00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:31,260 because it's just so easy to use. 505 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:35,280 And more. Maybe this is appropriate question for you. 506 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,330 How are you guys structured? I know, do you have investors? Is 507 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,900 your own money? Do you have a timeline? A basically a plan? I 508 00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:49,140 mean, it's what you're doing is phenomenal. And everyone was 509 00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:52,140 kind of wondering how or when you'd like to make money, what 510 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:54,180 what is kind of the business background here. 511 00:33:55,620 --> 00:34:00,450 So IV itself is like what started as an open source 512 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,670 project was, well, some some people came together, building 513 00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:12,120 the building cool tools, good software together. And we are 514 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,300 also part of, for example of the Bitcoin design community, it's 515 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,510 really like part of a of a bigger, bigger ecosystem now. 516 00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:23,520 But we also realized at some point that if we want to like 517 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,880 also contribute back to the to the open source community in a 518 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,030 way that is also like sustainable if or if we if we 519 00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:38,460 want to provide service to users, this is something that is 520 00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:45,660 very hard to do in a pure open, like open source funding status. 521 00:34:45,690 --> 00:34:51,930 So that's why we also decided to to create an organization out of 522 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,930 Rb that is able to raise funds, for example, that is able to do 523 00:34:57,930 --> 00:35:01,800 all the legal things that are needed for it. sample in order 524 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:09,630 to operate a custodial wallet in a compliant way. And that is 525 00:35:09,630 --> 00:35:13,830 also able for example to, to earn some money to contribute 526 00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:19,530 back, for example to to the users proper support systems, or 527 00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:22,350 just to the open source community by, for example, 528 00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:28,920 funding and giving bounties. And yeah, when it comes to to A to B 529 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,110 to business at the end, there also needs to flow in some some 530 00:35:34,110 --> 00:35:40,350 some revenue, right. And to get there, we are thinking about 531 00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:44,310 different different premium services on top. But we are not 532 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:49,050 yet there where we actually have this, like, very concrete 533 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:52,800 service that we that we want to charge for right now in done 534 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,140 that we can charge for an American confident way. 535 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,970 Right. And I guess the the big question, there is the 536 00:35:59,970 --> 00:36:02,790 regulations. I mean, did you have any concerns? Do you have 537 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:08,130 any insight? The EU seems to be moving a little faster than the 538 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:11,190 US? I mean, what are your thoughts there for custodial 539 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:12,330 services like this? 540 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,850 Yeah, it's definitely challenging, especially for a 541 00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:24,060 young organization. But there are ways to do that to solve 542 00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:27,780 that. So it's not like that you have to apply yourself for 543 00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:32,820 licenses, for example, but there are also partner companies out 544 00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:37,320 there that help you to get to get these licenses. And this is 545 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,900 what we are currently working on with Adobe, for example, 546 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,990 starting with, starting with the US where we see a lot of 547 00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:50,850 traction from from from from the user side, mainly, but then also 548 00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:56,190 the next step for Europe. But yeah, I mean, regulations is 549 00:36:56,190 --> 00:36:59,760 definitely a challenge and the dead that the problem is also 550 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,110 that they're constantly moving. 551 00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:06,480 No one knows what they're talking about. Of course, that's 552 00:37:06,510 --> 00:37:09,990 the confusing part. Oh, man, I'm so I'm so happy you guys came 553 00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:14,490 into our life. This is this is it's beautiful. I mean, you just 554 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,700 out of nowhere, boom, you completely got the value for 555 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:24,870 value. Proposition. It's, it's really been mind blowing just as 556 00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:28,770 this is pure, interrupt, right. This is what I love. We you 557 00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:31,440 know, we didn't sign any agreements with anybody, no one 558 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,590 has contracts. It's just Oh, connect into the protocol and 559 00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:38,880 Bumi. You're You're, you're good to go. Yeah, no, 560 00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:41,460 I think that's the that's the beauty of it. The 561 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:47,550 interoperability is, I think, a key value here. Right? So cannot 562 00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:51,840 be a ds ds applications that are interoperable. And people can 563 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:58,380 build the best tools for for their users. And yeah, as I 564 00:37:58,380 --> 00:38:02,880 said, amazing. It's amazing to be here. And 565 00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:09,120 how do you one thing I've been wondering is on the on the app 566 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,390 side, so what what a lot of apps are using right now is Ellen 567 00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:17,130 pay. And Ellen pay seems to have although y'all there's more 568 00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:20,130 interaction points, you'll have a bigger sort of 569 00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:25,500 interoperability ecosystem for lack of a better term, where 570 00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:30,450 you're having connectors between wallets and, and, you know, 571 00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:33,930 outbound inbound these sorts of things. But I mean, from a from 572 00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:38,970 a sort of, I guess, framework point of view, it seems it 573 00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:43,110 sounds like it's still just a basic, like accounting layer on 574 00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:49,560 top of on top of a node. And so from that standpoint, you could 575 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,960 do integrations directly, I would think you could do 576 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,100 integrations directly with the apps with podcasting apps and 577 00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,710 that kind of thing so that they can, if a podcasting app wanted 578 00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:02,580 to use you, instead of Alvie, instead of LM pay that that 579 00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,170 should be doable. Is that right? 580 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,710 That's, that's doable. Yeah, I would go one step back here. 581 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,990 Again, I would mention one thought, or one idea that we're 582 00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:21,720 following is that actually users can bring their lightning 583 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:26,340 wallet, their lightning accounts to applications, meaning that I 584 00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:29,160 don't have to create on the different applications on the 585 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,350 different tools like on the different podcasting tools, for 586 00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:35,790 example, different wallets, that I have to top up where I have 587 00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:40,080 more than the money to spend or to receive, but that I have 588 00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:43,740 accounts that have one account, and I can bring that account to 589 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:45,870 these applications. And that's also the beauty of 590 00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:48,240 interoperability, I think, and that's a bit of a difference 591 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,910 that we have to route that we're that we're going 592 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:56,280 Ah, okay, so, you're looking more like Al b is your personal 593 00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:59,970 I think, I think Mo said that your personal spending account. 594 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,680 Your spending wallet. And the idea is to basically interrupt 595 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,460 with as many applications as possible and have people use 596 00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:13,470 Alby as their, as their, as you said as their spending account, 597 00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:16,230 which is a huge responsibility for you guys actually. 598 00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:23,790 Yeah, I mean, this is a bit the idea that that the 599 00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:29,520 interoperability idea here, and that it's that that you 600 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,880 basically provide API's, but open API's. So we are building 601 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,370 on open systems here. So it's all interoperable. It doesn't 602 00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:39,600 even need to be asked can be others to about ideas that, yes, 603 00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:44,160 the user has a wallet connects that wallet to an application, 604 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,130 and that application can certainly interact with the 605 00:40:47,130 --> 00:40:48,420 Lightning Network and do things there. 606 00:40:48,990 --> 00:40:51,990 So So So are you saying that, let me let me make sure I 607 00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:58,650 understand. So are you saying that if I, for instance, if I 608 00:40:58,650 --> 00:41:01,770 know Steven B, I think he's playing around with hooking up 609 00:41:01,770 --> 00:41:06,750 curio Kassar to lb if so, what I could Are you saying that I 610 00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:16,860 could hook in my my lb account, excuse me. Let me restart if if 611 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:21,810 I could take my curio caster account and connect it to lb but 612 00:41:21,810 --> 00:41:26,310 not necessarily connected to the lb. Wallet. But I could connect 613 00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:30,150 it to my own node through lb as the as the proxy. 614 00:41:32,310 --> 00:41:35,160 Not yet. But these are ideas exactly. 615 00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:39,180 Okay, so because that that would be a beaut, that would be a 616 00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:43,710 beautiful thing is to be able to spin you know, quote, unquote, 617 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:47,430 spin up a wallet in curio caster, which would be using 618 00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:53,820 Alby but then But then pass through this connection to my 619 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:57,750 own node. So that I can say that I'm using albies API, but it's 620 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:00,990 really, it's really my own node. That's, that's an 621 00:42:00,990 --> 00:42:04,650 actual idea. I like that. That's very cool. Yeah. And you 622 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:07,080 ended so then you've thought that you're on the roadmap for? 623 00:42:08,850 --> 00:42:11,490 Totally, yes. I mean, that's what I what I mean a little bit 624 00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:14,070 with when I say, Okay, you have your node, you have your wallet 625 00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:18,090 already, we provide you one, yes. But we might already have 626 00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:22,500 one. And you can connect that one. And there's that one, you 627 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:27,120 can bring that to all the different applications and use 628 00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:30,960 that one in those different applications, to do whatever 629 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,390 these applications for the to, to receive, to send, and so on. 630 00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:36,960 And yes, and obviously, the accounting layer that you talked 631 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,180 about. As I said, our focus is definitely on usability also. 632 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,740 And that's the easiest like to be the first thing to do, right, 633 00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:49,650 if we want to onboard people, and we want to make it easy for 634 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,620 people to get on boarded. Right, we want to make it easy for 635 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:58,110 people for podcasters to integrate the value tag there to 636 00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:02,820 receive this magic internet money. And but then it's also 637 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:07,290 about them, growing this that and having choice and having the 638 00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:10,680 opportunity to do other things like that you're describing this 639 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,370 running your own node, but the goal would be to have this one 640 00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:17,340 single API, the one day interoperable API there. 641 00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:24,720 And then we've seen this like with rss.com, for example. And 642 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,930 the big shout out to Al fiato. Because he really pushed a lot 643 00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:31,560 to implement that. He that that's, that's a great example 644 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:37,560 of how quick it can be implemented, and how nice it 645 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,330 actually works at the end for the user. With just two, three 646 00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:46,860 clicks, and, um, you have a value for value, wallet on 647 00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:53,340 rss.com. I think this is, I guess, something that that is 648 00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:56,970 sort of an innovation definitely in this in this space, and has 649 00:43:56,970 --> 00:44:01,020 not been so easy. Before, especially when you think 650 00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:05,100 further because this wallet that you now have that you created on 651 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:10,620 rss.com, you can actually also use somewhere else. And these 652 00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:15,150 things together. I think it's super interesting for users. 653 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:23,850 So how, how well do you sleep at night? How much do you help? How 654 00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:25,860 much do you wake up at three o'clock in the morning and 655 00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:27,780 wonder if your node is going to crash and that kind of thing? 656 00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:30,330 Because this is not for this is all new technology and it's not 657 00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:34,830 for the faint of heart? Are you is that is that stressful on 658 00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:35,430 your life? 659 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,390 I mean, it's not just the two of us, right? We have a we have a 660 00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:46,050 great team together with us working on it. And they are 661 00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:47,550 they're experts in this field. 662 00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:52,140 Because you know Tim Kay from LMP I'm sure you all know him. 663 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,170 You know he's had stressful times with his node as well and 664 00:44:55,170 --> 00:45:00,780 he runs a large node for L and PE and you I know he's called us 665 00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:03,120 before and been, you know, been stressed out about some bug 666 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,360 within lnd that's causing him, you know, sleepless nights and 667 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,240 that kind of thing. So I just wonder about how how hard that 668 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:10,830 is on you running a service like this, 669 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:18,060 the thing that that beekeepers actually if I go to the casting, 670 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,690 I know GitHub repository and see all the ideas there and all the 671 00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:24,930 chats with all the innovation happening. And all these these 672 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,660 ideas are there of the things that we can build. This is 673 00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:28,560 actually what keeps me 674 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,890 Germans don't give a shit Dave, it's obvious. And like, and we 675 00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:39,210 don't care regulations, regulation. Yeah, they just do 676 00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:44,100 stuff. Yeah, time shmup time. I'm looking at this and like, 677 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,800 man, if these guys go down, podcasting is over. 678 00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:56,670 So here's one, here's one thing, we throw this at you. We've been 679 00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,750 talking about this thing, the Verify tag, and I'm starting to 680 00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:05,610 move on it right now. And we're, it's it's a, it's a way to it, 681 00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:08,340 you'll, you'll see why I'm bringing it up here in a second. 682 00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:14,550 It's a way to verify ownership of a feed. So currently, you 683 00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:18,240 know, as this old school methodology of your your email 684 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,690 address is in the XML of the feed. And if you're going to 685 00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:26,700 prove, let's say, if I want to connect my feed, if I want to 686 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,730 prove that I'm the owner of a feed, claim, my feed on some 687 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,440 third party website, I need to that that that service has to 688 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,100 read my email address, send me a code and my email, I gotta get 689 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,440 the code or click the verification link to prove on 690 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,320 the owner of that email account, blah, blah, blah. So there's 691 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,780 this, there's this back and forth email handshake that goes 692 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:50,220 on? Well, there's a strong push right now I'm in podcasting to 693 00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:54,690 get the email addresses out of the feeds. It doesn't bother me 694 00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:58,080 so much, but you know, whatever. But I understand that there's a 695 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:04,980 better way. And the so this this way is this coming up as the 696 00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:10,980 Verify tag and puff magic fingers. On the GitHub, he wrote 697 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:17,430 this big, this big, well thought out, solution for this based on 698 00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:22,350 based on a handshake and call and URL callbacks. Ultimately, 699 00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:27,540 verifying that you are the owner of the feed through a J through 700 00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:32,040 a gentle JSON Web Token through a J WT that gets delivered to 701 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,240 the service to prove that you are the owner. So my thinking on 702 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:42,210 this was number one is a good idea. And number two, it can 703 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,360 solve another thing that we've been wanting to do, which is 704 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:52,020 open subscriptions. So if people want to, if people want to put 705 00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:57,720 their content either behind a paywall or, or want to just have 706 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:03,390 a subscription mechanism, that's not tied to something like like 707 00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:08,580 PayPal, for instance, I quote, quote, unquote, subscribe to 708 00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:12,540 multiple shows now through just a cron job key sent. It's really 709 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:16,830 it's really stupid. But I just have a cron job set up to send a 710 00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:19,650 designated payment every month. And that's my way of subscribing 711 00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:23,100 so that if I forget to listen to the show, or if they get behind, 712 00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:27,480 I don't want to miss boosts sending them a boost. And so if 713 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,630 we have this open subscription thing, it could use a similar 714 00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:37,590 model where there's a handshake that happens between the the 715 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:44,220 podcast app and the podcasters posting platform that says, 716 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,150 Okay, are you are you going to subscribe to this and you say 717 00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:55,260 yes. And then it delivers a JW T to you proving that you are that 718 00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:59,820 you've paid or you're a subscriber to to the to the 719 00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:07,020 show. I see this being sort of in the Alby wheelhouse I mean, I 720 00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:10,680 think that y'all something like an hour be service could be a 721 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,180 way to to accomplish this y'all can y'all could be a broker 722 00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:17,880 through Elon URL or something like that. What do you have any 723 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,660 thoughts on this? 724 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,810 That's amazing. And these are exactly the things that keep me 725 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,030 keep me up at night. But totally, I mean, you describe 726 00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:34,770 the crunch up and I think subscription service 727 00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:38,160 subscriptions. We are we have the chance now we are moving 728 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,900 more to be having smarter wallets more or less, that 729 00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:48,180 basically has had the decision of how much you want to pay and 730 00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:52,020 how often you want to pay on time is put on the user side on 731 00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:58,830 the listener side. And the wallet tool there then handles 732 00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:01,980 the payment automatically. like you did with Mr. Crunch up at 733 00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:05,370 basically any any lightning wallet could could do that. And 734 00:50:05,370 --> 00:50:07,890 if he now integrate that, again, as you're saying this the 735 00:50:07,890 --> 00:50:11,340 identity part, then bam, we got we got open subscriptions, 736 00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:11,610 right. It's 737 00:50:11,610 --> 00:50:15,240 gonna be fun when when you do a substack version of this, 738 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,340 there's going to be some substack service that's going to 739 00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:21,840 plug right in. It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, we're 740 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,160 taking over the world here 741 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,910 is it? Yes. Everybody 742 00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:29,760 didn't. So we'll just get kick kicked off a substack. I forget 743 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,760 who it was like, Whoa, I haven't heard of anyone. Yeah, someone 744 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,360 got D platformed. From sub like a kind of a mainstream person 745 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:42,870 too. Because I guess stripe does their processing. It always 746 00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:44,220 comes down to the processor. 747 00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:46,770 Yeah, yeah. That's the ultimate thing. Yeah. 748 00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:51,030 Wow, this is very exciting. And all of a sudden, I'm seeing a 749 00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:55,770 bigger world. That's, that's possible. Of course, I'm sure 750 00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:57,990 there's a lot of pushback. People say, Well, you know, what 751 00:50:57,990 --> 00:51:01,110 should all it should all be decentralized? Have you looked 752 00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:04,500 at any of these things like Project Greenlight which kind of 753 00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:10,080 have this hybrid model of, you know, you have your keys, yet? 754 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,270 There's some kind of listener function in the cloud? 755 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,880 Yes, and I think that's also what I wanted to emphasize on 756 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:25,530 before is there are great technical tours coming up to 757 00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:28,590 make this more open, decentralized, but we're all 758 00:51:28,590 --> 00:51:31,080 building on the open, like on the interoperable Lightning 759 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,080 Network anyway, so the options are completely there. Right? 760 00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:38,730 Even if you're not there, maybe yet, just now. We might be there 761 00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:44,070 tomorrow. And you know, SDK, Greenlight, all these things are 762 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,400 great ways, great progress to make these things possible. 763 00:51:47,610 --> 00:51:50,640 Do you guys have jobs? Do you? How do you how do you live? 764 00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:52,350 Clearly not from Albie yet? 765 00:51:54,810 --> 00:52:01,260 No, but yeah. So I was a software engineer that 766 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,280 freelancing the last year basically, but I've been 767 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,550 focusing on audio since a more than a year now. So yeah, that's 768 00:52:11,550 --> 00:52:13,860 that's the that's the day and night job right now. 769 00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:17,040 Oh, okay. All right. Nice. Well, you've dedicated a lot of time 770 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,820 when it has to become 771 00:52:17,820 --> 00:52:20,610 sustainable. So but yes, right now, this is the situation. 772 00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:28,950 How about tomorrow? More it? Do we lose more words? 773 00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:31,620 And they will get tired of the show? 774 00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:35,220 I don't know he's here. How about you, Morris? Do you have a 775 00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,080 day job where you also have the 776 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,580 show? Also, I'm also working full time on RV. 777 00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:48,480 That's very dedicated gentleman. I think this is fantastic. And 778 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,620 we're so so proud and happy to have you to be associated with 779 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:55,200 you in the podcasting. 2.0 family. 780 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,320 Yeah, thanks. For thanks, thanks a lot for for talking so much 781 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,350 about value for value. I think we cannot. We cannot like Tell, 782 00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:11,220 tell more people about that. It's important, I think, the 783 00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:15,090 potential what what is what, what what we can build on and 784 00:53:15,090 --> 00:53:18,060 build actually with, with all these tools that are available? 785 00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:22,290 Now? I think it's incredible. It's up to us basically, what or 786 00:53:22,290 --> 00:53:27,960 to all the to all the creators out there to think of greater 787 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,140 ways of interacting with their audience. That's, and I'm 788 00:53:31,140 --> 00:53:34,260 really, really, really curious how this will turn out in the 789 00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:34,860 next month. 790 00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:39,240 It's I think there's things that are going to happen and ideas 791 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,430 that will come to fruition that we can't even think of right 792 00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:41,730 now. 793 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:48,870 Hmm, what what are you? What are you doing around Ellen URL off? 794 00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:52,530 Because that's a and a scene, you're doing some work on that. 795 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,950 And that's the thing that we're going back to something that you 796 00:53:55,950 --> 00:54:00,780 said Bhumi a while ago. I see. I think you're right, you are 797 00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:05,190 touching on the fact that there are things being done with at 798 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:06,780 least I think this is what you were saying there are things 799 00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:14,460 being done within lightning that are beyond just monetary. And 800 00:54:14,490 --> 00:54:18,930 don't I think I think this is an I think it's new for Bitcoin, 801 00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:22,890 just talking on a Bitcoin perspective for just a minute. I 802 00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:25,980 mean, Bitcoin has never you know, there's there's been 803 00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:27,930 there's been the scripting language within Bitcoin in this 804 00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:31,470 been able to do some things, but there's never been this culture 805 00:54:31,470 --> 00:54:34,980 around like there has been with something like Aetherium or 806 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:38,280 these other blockchain you know, things where there's been this 807 00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:43,650 sort of additive feature set on top of it that can do other 808 00:54:43,650 --> 00:54:46,860 types of things. But now that now we're seeing things like 809 00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:53,730 lightning addresses, Ellen URL off. You know, these you know, 810 00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:56,820 who knows what will happen with Tarot, but there are things that 811 00:54:56,820 --> 00:55:01,680 are out there, lightning can do that. Open up A broader set of 812 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,790 features. What? What are your What are your What are your 813 00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:06,630 thoughts on that? 814 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,840 Yeah, totally. I think we there's Bitcoin we have like the 815 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,900 best monetary network, and we have this great foundation is 816 00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,630 very stable foundation. And now we have these building blocks to 817 00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:24,090 come to a more, more closer to an application layer, where we 818 00:55:24,090 --> 00:55:27,660 can build these things. And we have like, ln, well, ours, we 819 00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:32,070 have, like lightning addresses, as you say, that are those 820 00:55:32,190 --> 00:55:34,530 building blocks that we can now combine into different 821 00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:38,070 applications. Right. So I think we will see that I will see 822 00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:41,490 maybe we'll see much more specifically this island well 823 00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:49,170 asked of VSD, I think this any application or anything that 824 00:55:49,170 --> 00:55:55,440 you're doing, at some point, you will have some sort of a need 825 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,590 for some sort of identity, you won't identify the user, you 826 00:55:58,590 --> 00:56:02,040 have some kind of an account or you or something like that. 827 00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:06,870 There's a bit you post a switch, you log in, and so on, with 828 00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:11,910 which you see your details. And, and, and, and I think there's 829 00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:15,750 only new laws, for example, is just that it's a it's a best 830 00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:20,490 specification, how you can do that with your keys that you 831 00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:22,590 already use this your lightning account. 832 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,280 Yeah. Yeah, bring it bring up something that, that Alex Gates 833 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,250 had developed a while back called the Java version, I keep 834 00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:35,070 calling it Java. I mean, JSON payment token is basically 835 00:56:35,070 --> 00:56:39,840 underwritten, you know, like a derive derived version of JW T, 836 00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:45,600 that provides a proof of payment of a lightning payment. And 837 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,360 that's the that's the thing that's that's missing. So think, 838 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,140 like, once you have these pieces in place, you really can do 839 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,400 identity verification, in a way that makes a lot of sense and 840 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,980 doesn't tie you to, you know, a centralized provider. 841 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,870 Shall we? Oh, go ahead. Please. Go ahead. 842 00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:08,850 No, I'm the experiment was that too. There was also LSAT, be 843 00:57:08,850 --> 00:57:12,960 currently around LSAT there, which I think tries to do 844 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,340 similar things. I haven't looked into the testing part there. But 845 00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:19,560 yeah, in the end, it also comes down back to the to the 846 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,420 subscription part, right where you can say, Okay, I'm 847 00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:26,640 subscribing like I'm having this proof that I'm sending you value 848 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,320 basically, which is already basically an application on top 849 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:31,620 of that. 850 00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:36,510 Let's thank a few people who have been listening live and 851 00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:39,690 have been have been sending us boosts and some of them are 852 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:45,600 worthy of mentioning I would say this of course, is a value for 853 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,220 value program value for value projects. And Steve Webb, the OG 854 00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:57,870 God caster. Just came in with a live boost 100,777 Satoshis 855 00:57:58,110 --> 00:58:05,130 Whoa. So he gets a call out 20 is Blaze on him follow like a 856 00:58:05,130 --> 00:58:08,220 massive striper boost. He's got the religious sevens in there. 857 00:58:08,850 --> 00:58:11,820 The booster gram. He says to help support the most important 858 00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:18,210 project in the podcasting space go podcasting podcast 3000 SATs 859 00:58:18,210 --> 00:58:21,960 from a podcaster who says I'm listening live on pod verse. 860 00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:25,080 This boost is what I've earned through listen to earn from 861 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:31,800 fountain a go podcast like that. So you got you you earned it on 862 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:40,260 fountain and you spent it on pod versus Mike Newman 49,999 just 863 00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:44,010 shy of 50k love these live shows earlier you spoke of low hanging 864 00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:47,670 fruit tags. One that is deceptively so is the license 865 00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:51,180 tag. I'd like to use it but that is legalese. And there be 866 00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:54,750 dragons. Any recommendations on a license that says basically 867 00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:57,750 share and share like all of these licenses? Heck even look 868 00:58:57,750 --> 00:59:01,440 at Project Gutenberg Gutenberg seem as friendly as a bag of 869 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,770 broken glass. What's a podcaster to do looking forward to Dallas, 870 00:59:04,860 --> 00:59:05,820 go podcasting? 871 00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:09,780 Oh, podcast. You're the man to ask about this because you've 872 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,570 had experience in this in licensing? Well, 873 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,510 there was always a discrepancy or a different viewpoint the way 874 00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:22,380 I think James Cridland who drove this originally, what he thought 875 00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:25,470 the license would be for and what what I thought the license 876 00:59:25,470 --> 00:59:29,010 would be for there was also some question of should you use the 877 00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:35,790 license tag to display licenses that you that you own? Such as 878 00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:40,290 you know, I have a Performing Rights Organization license in 879 00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:44,490 this podcast. That's one way but I think what you're looking for 880 00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:51,180 is just to protect your own content. I like the Why can't I 881 00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:55,500 think of it now? What is the what is the the copyrighted? 882 00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:57,870 Should I defend it in court? I can't remember it a common 883 00:59:57,870 --> 01:00:03,810 Creative Commons. Thank you. Sorry. Yeah, creative. Yes. 884 01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:07,680 Creative Commons has a lot of options. I've used it and I've 885 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,010 also defended it successfully in court. So Creative Commons would 886 01:00:11,010 --> 01:00:14,370 be the way to go and they have what you want there. 5000 from 887 01:00:14,370 --> 01:00:18,210 floydian slips podcasting 2.0 floydian says just the vibe kind 888 01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:23,100 of thing. Blueberry, who told us earlier that the first episode 889 01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:28,440 came out on September 11 2020. That was 6666 sets from him. And 890 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,760 another 7777 from blueberry 10 out of 10 would prefer a boost 891 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,310 Screen of Death. Yes, I would certainly prefer that. 892 01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:42,660 Trampoline boosts from floydian slips 4123 And we had some pre 893 01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:47,190 boost before we started from Lyceum High Five booster gram 894 01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:52,500 550 5555 Satoshis to the booster gram numerology page on GitHub. 895 01:00:54,450 --> 01:00:57,780 Oh, this is this is Martin, by the way, says I did a pull 896 01:00:57,780 --> 01:01:01,770 request for a row of ducks boost 20 to 22 Satoshis Did you see it 897 01:01:01,770 --> 01:01:05,700 on your end? Is it James Cridland Oscar marry or Brian of 898 01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:10,080 London who add the list to the item? Who does the pull request 899 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,150 for the booster Graham numerology page? 900 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,080 That yeah, I thought that was true. Who does that was 901 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,810 blueberry? I thought that was our Spencer. I think that's one 902 01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:19,860 of those guys. Yeah. Okay. 903 01:01:19,860 --> 01:01:23,940 Well, guys, there's a pull request for you. To add them. 904 01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:26,970 Yes. I have a podcast called High five for hemp. It started 905 01:01:26,970 --> 01:01:30,060 out as a solo show. And then Adam Tinkoff joined as a co 906 01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,090 host. I will relaunch in September after I've launched my 907 01:01:33,330 --> 01:01:37,920 last site, Tea Party dot media. All right, Martin. Thank you. 908 01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:40,650 Martin has been quite the supporter. He's boosting all 909 01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:43,470 kinds of shows. He's all over the place. I think he's from 910 01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:48,960 Sweden. I want to say yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. Do we 911 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:55,500 have here? Okay, I think that is what we have for pre boosts. All 912 01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,080 right, everybody. Thank you. Do you want to go through Oh, now 913 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:03,150 they're coming in now. Okay. Okay, pay to our page are not to 914 01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:09,150 be outdone. Listen to this. How many ducks is this? tu tu tu tu 915 01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:18,840 tu tu tu tu 122,222 Satoshis a mega big baller duck boost. 916 01:02:19,980 --> 01:02:23,760 Sakala Blaze on am Paula. 917 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,800 That's a foie gras is what that is. That's what's a little Doug 918 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,190 boost. 919 01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:32,580 What's a frog rod? I gotta write that down. It's the frog. Ah. 920 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,790 Hey, what was the guy's name? Who you're grousing with on 921 01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:39,300 Twitter. 922 01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:41,520 Tanner de Gumbel. 923 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,590 There you go Tanner. That's how it was done son. For a while 924 01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:51,750 Grace That's right. Thank you and Chad Pharaoh 33,333 Thank 925 01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:53,190 you boosting live okay. 926 01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:57,450 Do you have I think Peter is an oligarch this this is this is 927 01:02:57,450 --> 01:03:00,300 how he's getting rid of his money before the before the 928 01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:01,260 Cabal 929 01:03:01,290 --> 01:03:04,050 Yes. He's probably a Russian oligarchy. And he's trying to 930 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,010 just divest of it before it gets gets confiscated. Yeah, makes 931 01:03:08,010 --> 01:03:08,400 sense. 932 01:03:08,430 --> 01:03:10,110 Okay, well, we'll take this from his yacht 933 01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:14,430 from his yacht, which is locked, locked to a chain in a harbor 934 01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:14,940 somewhere. 935 01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:17,640 Yeah. The French habit. 936 01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:21,840 Let's thank some of our other supporters. You can go to 937 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,900 podcast index.org. Go down to the bottom there's a big red 938 01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:28,770 donate button. That's how you can send us Fiat fun coupons 939 01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:31,980 through PayPal. If you want to do a monthly subscription or 940 01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,890 just send some of some of that fiat money our way. And of 941 01:03:34,890 --> 01:03:37,950 course, you can also use the QR code which no one does. But we 942 01:03:37,950 --> 01:03:41,490 do have it if you want to send it on chain Bitcoin donation and 943 01:03:41,490 --> 01:03:44,850 obviously we'd love for you to send us boosts and booster grams 944 01:03:45,030 --> 01:03:49,770 by using any of these modern apps at new podcast apps.com. 945 01:03:50,790 --> 01:03:55,530 We got one, one week one single donation week, weekly pay pal 946 01:03:55,530 --> 01:04:01,200 donation. $25. From Daniel to bolt to bolt, 947 01:04:01,830 --> 01:04:03,330 bolt to bolt table. 948 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,390 Tell them saying that around. Right. He had a problem with one 949 01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:09,570 of the podcasts on the index and I fixed it for him and then he 950 01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:13,950 came in just a few minutes later with a with a Pay Pal. $25 Pay 951 01:04:13,950 --> 01:04:14,100 Pal. 952 01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:18,150 It's very nice. Oh, thank you. I love it when people pay for your 953 01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:21,450 services. Yeah, well thank you for your service. It's the 954 01:04:21,450 --> 01:04:22,650 international lifestyle. 955 01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:27,780 I'm gonna go ahead and read the monthlies monthly pay pals. And 956 01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:30,060 because they were we can do boost in the end with that. 957 01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:38,430 Okay. Was the camera Rose $25 Chad Farrow $20.22 Scott Jalbert 958 01:04:38,430 --> 01:04:44,370 $12 LORETTA ven Vandenberg $10 New Media, not the new media 959 01:04:44,370 --> 01:04:49,440 show. This is Martin Linda Skog. He's $1 Mark, Mark Graham $1 960 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:55,710 David metus Hey, David $10 Just maraca $5 and Jeremy knew $5 So 961 01:04:55,710 --> 01:04:57,180 that's our paper. 962 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,350 Fun coupon providers. Thanks You're very much it's highly 963 01:05:01,350 --> 01:05:04,740 appreciated. This is going directly into all of the 964 01:05:04,740 --> 01:05:07,260 machines, everything that keeps it running and of course, 965 01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:10,290 liquidity on the node for all of those podcasts. By the way, 966 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,340 guys, I'll be guys. Hey, yeah, I'll be guys do we have? Do we 967 01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:17,790 have a some kind of channel between our node and your node? 968 01:05:19,770 --> 01:05:21,000 Right think return Oh, no, 969 01:05:21,330 --> 01:05:23,220 we need I need to check. Yeah, could 970 01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:26,280 you if you could, please, I'd love to open a channel to you 971 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,420 guys. And you know that type? Yeah, I'd love to open a fat 972 01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:34,650 pipe to y'all. If you can send me a note Id because I just make 973 01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:37,320 sense, you know, makes a lot of sense for us for the whole 974 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,790 project. That'd be great. I'm sure. Fantastic. Okay. Back to 975 01:05:41,790 --> 01:05:42,930 our Bookstagram safe. 976 01:05:43,410 --> 01:05:45,930 No, we have live we gotta we have a plethora, a plethora 977 01:05:45,930 --> 01:05:46,500 plethora now. 978 01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:51,060 Are we cutting anything off at the 1000 level 10,000 Level, 979 01:05:51,060 --> 01:05:51,720 were we at 980 01:05:52,410 --> 01:05:56,490 worth 1000 level right now may have to be able to bump that up 981 01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:59,850 if if we keep getting a lot but we were at the 1000 level now 982 01:05:59,850 --> 01:06:04,350 but we reserve the right to selectively read those below the 983 01:06:04,350 --> 01:06:06,960 1000 level if they're particularly humorous or funny. 984 01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:08,550 Always as always, yes. 985 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,490 Mike Dell, he have blueberry, blue blue escaping blue brewery 986 01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:20,880 brewery 1234 SAS and he says listening not live. Okay. 987 01:06:22,290 --> 01:06:29,490 Thanks, Mike. We got MGH not sure who mgh is it sounds kind 988 01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:33,510 of familiar through fountain 1024 SATs and he says this is a 989 01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:36,600 killer boost to the 12 power. Nice. 990 01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:38,460 Okay. Please make sense. 991 01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:46,500 Like I say so he comes in again he says this is a this is a this 992 01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:52,110 is a Kimbo boost 10 to the third power guy he's doing math now. 993 01:06:52,110 --> 01:06:52,440 Okay. 994 01:06:53,610 --> 01:06:56,370 Put it on let me get a PR requested and put it on the 995 01:06:56,370 --> 01:06:58,770 boost. The boost page, the numerology? 996 01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:03,420 Okay, he's coming in again. He says two to the 12 power is a 997 01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:08,160 four kilo boost. I can't do math in my head. 4000 Any successful 998 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:13,200 Thank you MGH math lesson of the day over C dubs came in with 999 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:20,340 10,101 SAS through the boost CLI app. Very nice. He says thanks 1000 01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:25,590 for the Eco Boost bot said s slash space slash slash 1001 01:07:25,620 --> 01:07:27,150 backtick. Exclamation point. 1002 01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:30,150 Oh man, he's doing streamline editing his booths now. 1003 01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:34,380 He's trying I think he's trying to remember to do an RCE. But 1004 01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:36,540 he's trying to remote code execution. So my 1005 01:07:37,590 --> 01:07:39,120 heavy pad is going nuts. 1006 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:48,060 Yeah. heel pad just drain my wallet. 1111 SATs from George 1007 01:07:48,060 --> 01:07:52,770 Orwell. Not sure how that works, but back from the grave. And he 1008 01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:56,490 says luckily inflation is transitory and according to 1009 01:07:56,490 --> 01:08:00,540 Biden, there's no recession. That's great if we're all in 1010 01:08:00,540 --> 01:08:05,280 good shape. Roy Schonfeld. There is no do you know guy you guys 1011 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:05,760 know Roy 1012 01:08:09,090 --> 01:08:10,950 obviously, okay, right. 1013 01:08:11,610 --> 01:08:17,640 Yeah, yeah. Roy in here. Oh, yeah. He's just a world class 1014 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,950 human being of all and all. In all, it's 1015 01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:23,760 coop, who listens to the show on Friday night while he's in bed. 1016 01:08:24,990 --> 01:08:28,050 We see ROI. We see your ROI. Yeah, he's in Israel. So he's 1017 01:08:28,050 --> 01:08:30,720 got like, you guys got to deal with time difference. So yeah, I 1018 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,360 know the minute we're done. It's time for him to first I think he 1019 01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,130 takes a bath. Thanks. Nice, warm. Nice warm bath. 1020 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,700 With with milk and rowspan. Yes, exactly. 1021 01:08:41,970 --> 01:08:46,470 And a little bit sad few drops of honey. And then he curls up 1022 01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:52,020 into bed and gets ready for the show. Yeah. That too is the 1023 01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:54,450 International lifestyle. A value for value 1024 01:08:55,110 --> 01:09:06,000 is ROI as simplifying. That's awesome. 54,321 SATs from ROI. 1025 01:09:06,030 --> 01:09:10,980 Yeah. Through the breeze app and he says go podcasting. You bet. 1026 01:09:12,900 --> 01:09:13,620 Thank you, Roy. 1027 01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:18,030 What kind of robe Do you think Roy is? This is 1028 01:09:18,150 --> 01:09:23,460 the velvet velvet velvet velvet velvet. Silk sheets velvet robe. 1029 01:09:23,940 --> 01:09:25,800 Nice logo and the Oh yeah, he's 1030 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,800 got those slippers like the big fluffy plush slippers with 1031 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,870 Breeze logos on the on the toes. 1032 01:09:34,140 --> 01:09:38,400 Okay, 3333 333 from Chiron for the mere mortals podcast to 1033 01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:38,850 Korea. 1034 01:09:39,450 --> 01:09:40,230 Thank you very much. 1035 01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:44,340 Thank you, Karen. He said the pod father commands boosts and 1036 01:09:44,340 --> 01:09:47,400 amazingly your Supermoon has reached his equinox and it's 1037 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,370 retrograding towards the second house of Jupiter, meaning that 1038 01:09:50,370 --> 01:09:54,240 you will encounter riches from an unexpected acquaintance goose 1039 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,260 boost boost There he is. Yeah, you just got your fortune read 1040 01:09:58,710 --> 01:09:59,610 through a booster green 1041 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,880 eyes. Where's my reply button I need to be able to send boosts 1042 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:03,480 back 1043 01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:08,370 as a boost of fortune. Yes. Mere Mortals Podcast coming in again 1044 01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:12,690 at 22 to 22 and he says podcasting 2.0 executing with 1045 01:10:12,690 --> 01:10:13,290 scissors 1046 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:19,170 yay for you, thank you. 1047 01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:24,360 Thank you Kira. Appreciate you guys. Pirate huddle. 4242 1048 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,690 through fountaining says, when fed a mint comes out, how easy 1049 01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:30,030 will it be to add to the V four V Spec? 1050 01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:34,380 I sent this to you, I sent you this link Fetty meant 1051 01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:37,320 Yeah, I didn't understand much of what I was reading. 1052 01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:43,020 It seems like it's a a different version of a way to route 1053 01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:47,310 payments, kind of like lightning only on chain and there's some, 1054 01:10:47,850 --> 01:10:52,530 some trust involved it the whole idea was very compelling. But I 1055 01:10:52,530 --> 01:10:55,440 agree. It's like my eyes at a certain point like whoa, okay. 1056 01:10:55,980 --> 01:10:58,740 And I'm glazing over here. I can't I just couldn't figure it 1057 01:10:58,740 --> 01:10:59,730 out at a certain point. 1058 01:11:00,150 --> 01:11:04,620 I was trying to read it when I was in the mindset of the Verify 1059 01:11:04,620 --> 01:11:08,130 tag and it just was like, Yeah, you can't do that now. Eject. 1060 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:08,940 Eject? 1061 01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:12,960 Okay, well, hey, it's as far as we're concerned. Everything 1062 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,430 should work. Why not? 1063 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:21,630 I don't see why anything wouldn't Yeah, exactly. See, see 1064 01:11:21,630 --> 01:11:26,700 our podcast through send us 5300 Nonsense through breeze. He says 1065 01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,820 awesome episodes props for the zero MQ. Shout out as I use 1066 01:11:29,820 --> 01:11:34,020 that. simulations on the HPC cluster. Go podcasting? Yes, 1067 01:11:34,020 --> 01:11:34,470 see? 1068 01:11:34,589 --> 01:11:38,819 Yes. No, you were right. You were right. And it resulted in a 1069 01:11:38,819 --> 01:11:41,099 booster gram valid content. 1070 01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:49,590 It is. slewed soon as 333 says it's possible rename of the pimp 1071 01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:55,710 acronym. proposal to improve modern podcasting. That's valid. 1072 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,830 Yeah, that's good. That should be the your first pimp is to 1073 01:11:58,830 --> 01:12:00,240 change the term pimp. 1074 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:09,030 Like that. Yes. The Scotty Scott Sikora sent us a Van Halen boost 1075 01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:12,120 5150 SATs through fountain he says another great show guys too 1076 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,020 bad everything went way over my head. You still appreciate all 1077 01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:17,670 the hard work and knowledge you give. 1078 01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:20,700 All right, man. Thank you very much. Yeah, we I tried to bring 1079 01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:25,380 us back down to earth. It's way over my head too. Sometimes. So 1080 01:12:25,530 --> 01:12:26,040 okay, 1081 01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:30,300 that's that's usually usually it's usually the fault. I blame 1082 01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:31,020 booster grams. 1083 01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:33,720 It's no one's fault. It's there's a lot of people who do 1084 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,170 dig it 1085 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,800 anonymous and it's 5000 SATs to cast ematic and whoever 1086 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,860 Anonymous is thank you Mike Newman from podcast index sucks 1087 01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:47,880 that social for your help. Oh wait you gotta we got 1088 01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:52,740 we got Mike Mike. We got we got Mike's booster Graham Cool. 1089 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,770 Sorry Mike. You're Not You can't give it back. No, no, 1090 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:56,640 no way to do it. 1091 01:12:56,940 --> 01:13:01,620 It was a it was done is done. There's no reply button. Texas 1092 01:13:01,620 --> 01:13:04,830 comrades and it's 33 SAS is love to see my podcasting worlds 1093 01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:10,620 collide. Nice. Like it. Steven basin is 1000 Sastra curio 1094 01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:14,910 caster Of course. And he says curio caster Alby Wallet API 1095 01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:19,200 integration test boost UI which await Okay, he threw in some 1096 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:31,500 German did did they do it you Tritton in dinars? Yeah, okay. 1097 01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:35,220 I'm not gonna get that but me. Yeah, no. 1098 01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:41,880 Thanks, Steven V. Dirty divorce. sounded like it was going to be 1099 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,270 dirty. Yeah, the money you get are the you know? 1100 01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:55,200 Okay. Always fun for this. For the mono lingual guy. Todd 1101 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,170 Cochran sent us 10k sets and he says simple boost. 1102 01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:01,140 Received. Thank you very much. Yep. 1103 01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:05,550 And Mike Bell said his 1234 sets and he says, Did I beat Todd? 1104 01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:08,760 Oh, right. Yes, you did. You did, actually. Because the 1105 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:15,420 timestamp is preceding Cole McCormick. 111 11. Wait, that 1106 01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:18,960 that number doesn't make any sense. 1111 How about that? He 1107 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,900 says, I'm becoming a better podcaster and a better booster 1108 01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:25,290 because of this show. Listen to America. Plus, you will get 2000 1109 01:14:25,290 --> 01:14:27,330 SATs for a listen. Oh, well. 1110 01:14:27,389 --> 01:14:30,899 Oh, okay. How does that work? How does? How does that he sent 1111 01:14:30,899 --> 01:14:34,259 us 1111. But if we listen to his show, we get 2000. 1112 01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:37,050 Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I 1113 01:14:38,220 --> 01:14:40,470 know, just one marketing perspective, from a marketing 1114 01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:43,740 perspective. You should send us 2000 And say anyone can get to 1115 01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:47,100 I'm just trying to help out here. I gotcha. Yeah. I wonder 1116 01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:49,290 how he does that. Is that is that a fountain promotion or 1117 01:14:49,290 --> 01:14:49,740 something? 1118 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,740 I don't know. Maybe he just doesn't do his show. Yeah. Okay. 1119 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,910 Cool. Let us know how you're doing that. Yep. Brown of London 1120 01:14:56,910 --> 01:15:03,420 in the hot Dao. Yay. 43,000 210 sets and he says, And now for 1121 01:15:03,420 --> 01:15:05,970 your regularly scheduled $10 contribution from Brian of 1122 01:15:05,970 --> 01:15:09,030 London. Yes, thank you, Brian of London. Appreciate that, Brian, 1123 01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:12,210 and thank you for your help troubleshooting all of the pod 1124 01:15:12,210 --> 01:15:16,860 pain things. Yeah. couldn't do without you and Alex, everything 1125 01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:21,000 everywhere. That's scary aren't our buddy 100,000 SATs 1126 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,350 found through the fountain app, he says it's been a few weeks, 1127 01:15:28,350 --> 01:15:31,080 so I figured I should make up for lost time. Looking forward 1128 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,690 to your session in Dallas. And I hope other people in the 1129 01:15:33,690 --> 01:15:37,080 industry show up as well. Learn I learned something new every 1130 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,260 day, Gary aren't the everything everywhere daily podcast, 1131 01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:43,950 this Dallas thing is going to be so interesting. We're gonna have 1132 01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:47,760 to go at triple speed. You have 30 slides you said? 1133 01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,970 No, that was just the other day. I'm up to 40 No, no, you 1134 01:15:50,970 --> 01:15:53,790 can't did no Dave. It's not gonna work. You can't do 40 1135 01:15:53,790 --> 01:15:54,690 slides. 1136 01:15:54,780 --> 01:15:56,100 No, this is this is just how 1137 01:15:56,130 --> 01:15:59,550 you this is your process. Okay. Yeah, I 1138 01:15:59,550 --> 01:16:02,700 put in way more than I had. And then I start paring it down. I'm 1139 01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:04,110 thinking I get to around 20. 1140 01:16:05,370 --> 01:16:08,190 Yeah, okay. I don't have I don't have any slides. 1141 01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:12,660 We'll see. I don't have your I don't have your skill set. I 1142 01:16:12,660 --> 01:16:18,180 can't just walk in and like off the cuff or a DJ for 25 years. 1143 01:16:18,180 --> 01:16:19,440 I'm willing to do that. 1144 01:16:21,870 --> 01:16:24,420 I didn't mean it like that. You're very good talker. 1145 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,830 You can't you have you do I mean you can just walk in with a 1146 01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:31,380 sheet you know, with something that has like three lines on it 1147 01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:34,980 and just talked for like an hour. I can't do that. Again. I 1148 01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:36,570 guess so much prep material. 1149 01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:42,720 Okay. Well, I got 15 minutes. Right. I get I get 15 minutes 1150 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,720 and then and then you take the rest right? Yeah, I'm gonna 1151 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,560 guess what is what is it? 45 minutes. Whew. 45 minutes. 1152 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,940 Sessions are ridiculous. Seems really short. 1153 01:16:54,990 --> 01:16:59,220 It did seem short to me. I was expecting an hour but no, no, 1154 01:16:59,220 --> 01:17:02,130 no, no. Okay, let's go over we get to train an entire industry 1155 01:17:02,130 --> 01:17:02,370 paying. 1156 01:17:02,370 --> 01:17:06,330 No, it's like, I know exactly how I'm going to Hi, everybody. 1157 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:08,370 I know why you're here. You want to know how you can make money 1158 01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:10,590 in podcasting? Well, let me tell you, I'm going to make you so 1159 01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:13,200 rich. You'll be able to leave your wife so rich, you're going 1160 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,660 to be from this podcasting experience that sit right down 1161 01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:16,620 everybody it's going to be great. 1162 01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:21,360 You went to a full carnival barker there for I don't know 1163 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:26,550 what happened. Blueberries and a 17,770 success and he says I 1164 01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:32,100 went to the Franklin Institute go science infill yesterday. And 1165 01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:35,460 while playing with some plasma balls, and that was my nickname 1166 01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:39,810 in high school back there came another idea. We've been using 1167 01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:43,290 GIFs for all of our show art forever. What if there's a way 1168 01:17:43,290 --> 01:17:46,920 we could send just back to the IRC chat. When booster grams 1169 01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,810 come in? I like it. I like it. It can be done using boost bot 1170 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,900 unique Joe could pop up in the chat for different boost 1171 01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:59,490 amounts. IRC takes a show from a podcast to a full production Eat 1172 01:17:59,490 --> 01:18:01,260 your heart out YouTube Super Chat. 1173 01:18:01,290 --> 01:18:05,190 Yeah. So he said go science. Is that what he said? Yeah, 1174 01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:13,980 shut up already. Science. Lyceum sent us a high five booster 1175 01:18:13,980 --> 01:18:17,520 gram. Oh, is this the one you read a while ago? That's the one 1176 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,910 I read. Yeah, okay. Okay. All right. Cool. We got overlap 1177 01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:22,170 here. Alright, so the delimiter 1178 01:18:23,190 --> 01:18:25,650 is gotta be here. Hmm. Fountain. 1179 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,850 He sent us 15,033 Sassy says Howdy, Dave and Adam. Apart from 1180 01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:33,720 news items, and knowledge corner, we added history corner 1181 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:38,250 to our podcast about artificial intelligence. So please enter in 1182 01:18:38,250 --> 01:18:44,580 web browser for any podcast app. A cooking to listen to silky 1183 01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:47,490 voice of Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent 1184 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,850 jibber jabbering about AI news. Yo. 1185 01:18:54,510 --> 01:18:58,080 All right, everybody good showing. Good showing for 1186 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,500 strong, strong, very strong. Thank you. It's been it's been a 1187 01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:05,610 delight to see the transition from Fiat fund coupons to sound 1188 01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:09,150 money. we've transitioned and y'all have done that. Thank you 1189 01:19:09,150 --> 01:19:15,660 so much for, for doing that. That's it's a mind boggling 1190 01:19:15,660 --> 01:19:19,560 thing. Value for value. It's the new international lifestyle, 1191 01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:22,770 you're soaking in it right now enjoy it, you too can be a part 1192 01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:25,650 of it for your own podcast. We're showing you exactly how 1193 01:19:25,650 --> 01:19:29,670 it's done. And this project is running on it. Really appreciate 1194 01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:34,350 that. Value for value for for Michael and Moritz. You guys 1195 01:19:34,350 --> 01:19:36,750 consider that as a business model? Are you just going to 1196 01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:40,920 stick with kind of the the the premium feature or charging for 1197 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,220 it? Did you have thoughts on that on the value for value for 1198 01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:44,910 yourselves? 1199 01:19:47,130 --> 01:19:52,620 Definitely. So we will be happy to also accept some value 1200 01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:57,540 streams from the extension users, for example, to all the 1201 01:19:57,540 --> 01:20:01,380 developers that that work The extension that will be awesome. 1202 01:20:02,820 --> 01:20:06,390 Yeah, for sure I you know, I do need. If you don't mind if you 1203 01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:11,190 can email that to me, I need a wallet ID from from one of you 1204 01:20:11,190 --> 01:20:13,800 because we'll put you in the split for today's show for sure. 1205 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,870 Just so you can have that wonderful experience. Have you 1206 01:20:15,870 --> 01:20:19,260 ever been in a podcast split before? Where you see it just 1207 01:20:19,290 --> 01:20:20,730 just coming into your node? 1208 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:28,440 Yeah, not really, in the podcast split. I created some like test 1209 01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:34,800 podcasts. And someone coincidentally, discovered it on 1210 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:41,850 Taunton. And suddenly I had I don't know, like 25 or 40 1211 01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:42,930 booths. 1212 01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:50,730 And it's just fascinating. It's fun. Yeah, 1213 01:20:50,730 --> 01:20:53,880 cuz you'll get our booster grams too. Yeah. Okay. So send me your 1214 01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:57,570 semi whatever your your addresses that that you want 1215 01:20:57,570 --> 01:21:02,070 to use. Like lightning address, you can just use the Hello at 1216 01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:07,860 get lb.com address. The other details I can send after 1217 01:21:07,890 --> 01:21:11,130 Yeah, just said just send that in. In Email. That'd be great. 1218 01:21:11,940 --> 01:21:14,610 Yeah, I don't think a lot of maybe some people don't know 1219 01:21:14,610 --> 01:21:19,800 that that that lb if you use Alby as your as your podcast or 1220 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,000 wallet, you can you can see all your booster grams and 1221 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,460 everything there in the in the web interface. Right. 1222 01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:30,810 Exactly, yeah. Okay, so 1223 01:21:31,950 --> 01:21:35,160 you've got the like a helipad features in there. So you can 1224 01:21:35,190 --> 01:21:37,320 you can see the booster grams as they come in. 1225 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,870 Exactly. This is also something that we, for example, expose 1226 01:21:42,900 --> 01:21:48,540 through the API, to, for example, a podcast hosting 1227 01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:53,010 service who wants to integrate an AVI Wallet. So nice, right 1228 01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:57,750 now, for example, what rss.com shows is the balance that you 1229 01:21:57,750 --> 01:22:00,960 have in the RB wallet, and also the number of booster grams that 1230 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,400 you received. But it's thinking further on, I think that's also 1231 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,270 what they're working on, is, for example, all other directly show 1232 01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:14,340 all the booster grams that a podcaster receives on the 1233 01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:19,200 dashboard, on their dashboard on rss.com. And I think it's, 1234 01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:25,980 that's that's just another way to keep the podcaster on on on 1235 01:22:25,980 --> 01:22:28,950 your service, basically, because you do, we would not have to 1236 01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:33,330 switch to our log into the IP wallet separately. If you 1237 01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:37,530 already have all the information available on the dashboard of 1238 01:22:37,530 --> 01:22:39,780 this particular hosting service, there's something 1239 01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:43,110 else that that we talked about in the real way in the 1240 01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:46,020 beginning, and it's come up from time to time and you guys could 1241 01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:48,900 actually implement this, it would be wonderful as a 1242 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:55,260 podcaster. To be able to see a graph a chart over time, that 1243 01:22:55,260 --> 01:22:58,890 shows me people listening. So they're streaming SATs, you 1244 01:22:58,890 --> 01:23:02,460 know, whatever, you know, the per minute streaming sites, I'd 1245 01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:06,660 love to see that aggregated in a in a graph by episode. So I can 1246 01:23:06,660 --> 01:23:10,320 see at what point people stopped listening, or when would less 1247 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,050 people are listening or more people are listening, right 1248 01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:16,680 there on the timeline, I'd love to see, oh, here's a boost so 1249 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,330 that I can mouse over see the boost to gram click, and I can 1250 01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:24,540 hear exactly what was being said, no one has done that yet. 1251 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,900 But they're going to and I think you guys could lead the way and 1252 01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:28,800 facilitate that. 1253 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,910 Yeah, I think that's a great idea here. Because it's at the 1254 01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:39,540 end boosts are such a great indication of value. Like Like, 1255 01:23:39,930 --> 01:23:43,500 just with real value, the moment that you really see okay, what's 1256 01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:47,460 the interesting moment for my audience or not? Exactly. 1257 01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:51,060 Analytics are on our roadmap. Darius? 1258 01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:53,190 Cool, what else? That's great. 1259 01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:55,560 Do you have other analytics or stuff that you're that we 1260 01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,990 haven't talked about that you're on that are on the roadmap? 1261 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,630 Funnily enough, actually, yesterday, somebody was also 1262 01:24:03,630 --> 01:24:08,640 listening, I think, showed me some of the things that you just 1263 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,730 talked about this the analytics and the graphs using the API 1264 01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:19,050 dependent on data and graphs, graphs, it's on our charts on 1265 01:24:19,050 --> 01:24:19,920 some, yeah. 1266 01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:24,210 Who was this mystery person? We gotta go figure out who's doing 1267 01:24:24,210 --> 01:24:26,670 that shit. I love it. 1268 01:24:26,730 --> 01:24:36,090 Boy. Boy. We need the I think that a lot of this data is that 1269 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,930 people have not discovered yet what a rich amount of data this 1270 01:24:39,930 --> 01:24:44,160 is. So when when you find that out and figure out okay, well, 1271 01:24:44,430 --> 01:24:47,310 you know, per minute boosts or Beano street streaming level 1272 01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:51,450 boost and big N single boost and these kinds of things. I mean, 1273 01:24:51,450 --> 01:24:54,120 there's a lot of there's a lot of information that you can 1274 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:59,970 glean from all that and see the hosting companies will want to 1275 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,970 They will want that eventually they'll want to have that 1276 01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:06,810 information. I started thinking about this the other day when 1277 01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:11,730 the rss.com Did the lb integration. And then we saw 1278 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:18,000 Castillo's looking at doing. They expanded their, their, 1279 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,720 their wallet parameters to accept the custom key custom 1280 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,570 value, and they're planning on doing an integration. And then 1281 01:25:24,570 --> 01:25:29,250 you had just just cast did a did anatomy integration. I started, 1282 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,040 we started when we saw this flurry of integration happening, 1283 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,150 I started to think it, you know, it's good, because hosts, 1284 01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:41,340 hosting companies are sort of embracing their role as less 1285 01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:44,340 pushers of monetization strategies, and a lot of the 1286 01:25:44,340 --> 01:25:46,890 hosts take that take that responsibility very seriously. 1287 01:25:46,890 --> 01:25:53,190 They, they say, okay, one of our roles as a host, is to really 1288 01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:57,630 help our podcasters that want to monetize to help them monetize. 1289 01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:03,360 And we they take that seriously by doing things like medium, 1290 01:26:03,660 --> 01:26:09,870 dynamic ads, they do consulting a lot of times, I know, Todd 1291 01:26:09,870 --> 01:26:12,360 Cochran does a lot of that, where he talks one on one with 1292 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,630 people in trust to come up with a game plan to help them 1293 01:26:15,630 --> 01:26:18,300 monetize when they when their audience gets to a certain size. 1294 01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,870 So they take that role very seriously. And in this, the 1295 01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:24,900 value value stuff is a natural fit for that with with these 1296 01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:30,330 Alby integrations, because like, it's you lucky as a host, you 1297 01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:35,430 have a very big responsibility to say, Okay, here's a way you 1298 01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:38,400 can monetize, or here's where you can make money. And here's 1299 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,710 this other way, you can make money. Here's another way and 1300 01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:43,920 another way. And another way, it's like, it doesn't have to be 1301 01:26:43,950 --> 01:26:47,700 the value for value and streaming says, they don't have 1302 01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:54,630 to be the only way you make money. But it, but it is a piece 1303 01:26:55,020 --> 01:26:59,550 in and you don't just you don't look at it away as Okay, here's 1304 01:26:59,550 --> 01:27:02,250 five ways I can make money. I'm just not going to do three of 1305 01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:04,470 them. Like that doesn't make that doesn't really make any 1306 01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:07,620 sense. And the perfect example of this is a guy like Jack, Jack 1307 01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:11,940 reciter from darknet diaries. I mean, that guy has every single 1308 01:27:11,940 --> 01:27:15,840 way you can make money nailed. I mean, he's got he does. He's 1309 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,690 doing ads. He's doing booster grams. He's doing me like 1310 01:27:18,750 --> 01:27:22,740 literally everything. And I was like Chris Fisher to there. He's 1311 01:27:22,740 --> 01:27:26,790 adopting all these different ways in it doesn't make in. I 1312 01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:31,380 see that as a hosting company, being a good steward of their 1313 01:27:31,380 --> 01:27:35,370 customers to say, Okay, here's this other new way of making 1314 01:27:35,370 --> 01:27:38,910 money that just popped up. Let's make sure that that's available 1315 01:27:38,910 --> 01:27:45,390 to you guys. Just make sense to me. Ah, 1316 01:27:47,340 --> 01:27:49,920 the week comes to an end and I'm overwhelmed. 1317 01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:56,490 Yeah, that's this was a bit. This was a crazy week. 1318 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,130 It really was what it was anything else? We need to talk 1319 01:27:59,130 --> 01:28:02,190 about that? I know you've been shoring up some of the tags? 1320 01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:08,970 Yeah. I mean, we just finalized the block tag yesterday. As of 1321 01:28:08,970 --> 01:28:14,610 yesterday. Yes, yes. Yes, it was yesterday. So you may just go 1322 01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:21,270 over okay. Yeah, sure. Okay. So the bite, bite bite tag is 1323 01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:23,670 formalized. And we've we've worked on this for a long time, 1324 01:28:23,670 --> 01:28:27,360 and finally got it into a way that I think we can all agree 1325 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:32,310 with. It's a it's a simple, it's a very simplistic tag. And part 1326 01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:36,870 of the problem was I was overthinking it. And I was 1327 01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:40,170 trying to make a you know, we had this sort of complicated way 1328 01:28:40,170 --> 01:28:42,750 of doing like a reverse exclusion list and all this kind 1329 01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:49,110 of stuff and right, and magic fingers. Which I gotta find out 1330 01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:51,030 this guy's real name. He's French. That's 1331 01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:52,770 the French guy. Yeah. Yeah. French. Yeah. 1332 01:28:54,510 --> 01:28:58,470 The he, he kept say he kept sort of, he's like, Nah, that's just 1333 01:28:58,470 --> 01:29:00,570 not right. It was too complicated, too complicated. To 1334 01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:06,270 finally I think we finally worked it out to where, I guess 1335 01:29:06,270 --> 01:29:10,230 sort of got his his idea. And what he was saying was, you 1336 01:29:10,230 --> 01:29:14,430 know, just make it where you have multiple tags available in 1337 01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:19,320 the feed, you can put multiple block tags in. Here's, here's 1338 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,460 the way it goes. If we're trying to maintain backwards 1339 01:29:23,460 --> 01:29:27,210 compatibility with the iTunes block tag. So you put the block 1340 01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,840 in the podcast block tag, if you have in your feed something this 1341 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:37,080 is podcast, podcast blog, yes. If that's the tag, then it 1342 01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:43,170 operates just like what people assume that the iTunes blog tag 1343 01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:47,040 does now, which is blog everything. This is essentially 1344 01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,090 a private feed. I don't want anybody any services ingesting 1345 01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:55,200 it and showing it publicly. It's It's not meant for public 1346 01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,100 consumption. Got it. That's the baseline. Now the iTunes tag 1347 01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:00,780 doesn't actually mean that we've 1348 01:30:00,780 --> 01:30:03,960 gone over this before, right? But this is what this will mean. 1349 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,440 Yes, 1350 01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:06,660 yes. This is what everybody thought it means. So that's what 1351 01:30:06,660 --> 01:30:12,210 this this formalizes that. Then you have podcasts blog. No, 1352 01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:15,810 that's the same as the blog tag just not being present at all, 1353 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:20,910 again, just like the iTunes, right, right. Then you can have 1354 01:30:20,940 --> 01:30:25,860 an ID and optional ID attribute. So you can say podcast block, id 1355 01:30:25,890 --> 01:30:29,490 equals, and the name of the service. Now, there's a slug 1356 01:30:29,490 --> 01:30:34,860 list involved, which I don't, I'm not crazy about. But it's 1357 01:30:34,860 --> 01:30:39,330 just as we, we really could not figure out a way to make it less 1358 01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:40,650 complicated. You're 1359 01:30:40,650 --> 01:30:43,410 always going to need a slug list, I guess. Or some version 1360 01:30:43,410 --> 01:30:44,910 of it. Yeah, yeah. Cuz 1361 01:30:44,910 --> 01:30:48,420 we thought about doing like TLD or not TLDs. But like a domain 1362 01:30:48,420 --> 01:30:51,090 names. Like, like, if you wanted to blog Google, we say 1363 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:57,570 google.com. But But honestly, if the if the service. Like, if the 1364 01:30:57,570 --> 01:31:00,750 company has multiple properties, you'd have to be doing multiple 1365 01:31:01,140 --> 01:31:04,320 domains. And if they change their name, their domain name is 1366 01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,990 probably gonna change anyway. So it just it's like at the end of 1367 01:31:06,990 --> 01:31:09,360 the day, it was just okay slug list. And we'll just keep it 1368 01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:12,600 will add to it it's a public repo people can add themselves 1369 01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:18,630 to it, blah, blah, blah. So you can say, podcast block with a 1370 01:31:18,630 --> 01:31:24,390 node value of Yes, and an ID equals Google or ID equals 1371 01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:25,050 Amazon you 1372 01:31:25,050 --> 01:31:27,240 can have multiple times you can have multiple of those for the 1373 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,310 all the different services you want to block. 1374 01:31:29,849 --> 01:31:34,919 Right? Okay, so you want them in you can do the opposite. Also, 1375 01:31:34,919 --> 01:31:39,539 you can say, podcast block with a value of No, and the idea is 1376 01:31:39,539 --> 01:31:43,739 Google or Amazon or Spotify or Apple or blah blah blah. So the 1377 01:31:43,739 --> 01:31:47,339 way the weights you can combine these you can say you can have 1378 01:31:47,339 --> 01:31:50,579 one block you can have a block tag a generic general block tag 1379 01:31:50,579 --> 01:31:54,419 of Yes. Meaning block everything and then you can follow that up 1380 01:31:54,419 --> 01:32:00,629 with block ID Google No, Block ID Amazon No. So you can have 1381 01:32:00,629 --> 01:32:03,809 three block tags one of them is does not have an ID and just 1382 01:32:03,809 --> 01:32:07,529 says yes, that means block everything the Google and Amazon 1383 01:32:07,529 --> 01:32:12,359 IDs have no so those will be open. Those will be open means I 1384 01:32:12,359 --> 01:32:16,649 want to block everybody except Google and Amazon. If you if you 1385 01:32:16,649 --> 01:32:23,669 flip flop and say no and say only include ID Google yes and 1386 01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:28,259 Amazon yes, that means block don't block anybody except do 1387 01:32:28,259 --> 01:32:32,879 block Google and Amazon. So it basically it sounds more 1388 01:32:32,879 --> 01:32:33,479 complicated. 1389 01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:36,630 No Yes, it makes total sense. You can set it up however you 1390 01:32:36,630 --> 01:32:40,290 want you have any any any version of combinations I love 1391 01:32:40,290 --> 01:32:42,330 it sounds perfect. It's approved 1392 01:32:44,910 --> 01:32:49,350 podcast so you can just like as a host or as a platform I mean 1393 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,710 as a service that wanting to ingest this feed all you got to 1394 01:32:52,710 --> 01:32:55,740 do really is just say it you just go through a sequence and 1395 01:32:55,740 --> 01:33:04,500 say does does pod does podcast does does the block tag exists 1396 01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:09,180 with my ID in it right and then what it was either a yes or no 1397 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,960 yes say about my if it does then I'll just follow the rule there 1398 01:33:13,050 --> 01:33:16,740 and ingest it or not based on what it says if I if I'm not 1399 01:33:16,740 --> 01:33:20,100 specifically called out in the feed you're good to go and just 1400 01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:24,690 follow I just follow the general tag and if there's a yes in 1401 01:33:24,690 --> 01:33:28,470 there I don't ingest it if there's nothing in there or no I 1402 01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:31,920 do ingest it. It's pretty simple. Beautiful ingestion 1403 01:33:32,099 --> 01:33:37,589 beautiful. Another another element is in the books Yeah, I 1404 01:33:37,589 --> 01:33:39,959 can't wait to use it. I can't wait for it to show up and curio 1405 01:33:39,959 --> 01:33:43,559 caster so I can put a big Spotify equals no everywhere. 1406 01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:46,920 This is what gets you in trouble. 1407 01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:48,960 Oh, no, no, no, I've been waiting. This is I've been 1408 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,230 waiting for it. I'm good for this. I like it. A couple other 1409 01:33:52,230 --> 01:33:57,690 ones I want to put no on. You've given me an evil tool. Dave 1410 01:33:57,690 --> 01:33:58,260 Jones. 1411 01:33:58,799 --> 01:34:01,079 Yeah, that's what this is all about. That's what the whole 1412 01:34:01,079 --> 01:34:03,089 project is about is creating evil tools. 1413 01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:06,270 I want to thank our guests in the board room today. Moritz 1414 01:34:06,270 --> 01:34:11,460 Kaminski and Michael boomin from Alby get lb.com guys thank you 1415 01:34:11,460 --> 01:34:14,370 so much for being here for spending time I know that you're 1416 01:34:14,970 --> 01:34:17,550 so what is it there? You're running on about nine o'clock 1417 01:34:17,550 --> 01:34:18,060 now. 1418 01:34:19,019 --> 01:34:20,129 It's actually nine o'clock 1419 01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:24,090 no worries now it's a pleasure to be on the show with you 1420 01:34:24,570 --> 01:34:27,480 and and make sure that anything you you're already on 1421 01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:30,420 podcasting, Rockstar social too but anything anything you need 1422 01:34:30,420 --> 01:34:34,320 let us know anything you got to promote any new anything. Any 1423 01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,380 new things you have let us know this is it's your board. It's 1424 01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:40,320 your board meeting too. And we appreciate having you in the 1425 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,350 group in the in the project is really really cool to have you 1426 01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:50,370 here. Let's keep building Yes, keep building indeed. Mr. Jones? 1427 01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:53,280 Yes, sir. Anything anything else? 1428 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,120 Now I'm just gonna I've got some programming to do hopefully this 1429 01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,370 weekend and get some things done and then 1430 01:35:00,450 --> 01:35:02,250 Before you know we're off to Dallas. 1431 01:35:03,090 --> 01:35:05,790 Yeah, yeah, I got it. I got 20 slides to get rid of. 1432 01:35:08,010 --> 01:35:11,130 That's right. I've got to learn how to speak at 1.5 speed 1433 01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:16,380 everything's gonna be beautiful. Yeah. All right, everybody have 1434 01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:20,340 a great, great weekend. Dave, Miko and mauve. We'll see y'all 1435 01:35:20,340 --> 01:35:20,700 soon. 1436 01:35:22,140 --> 01:35:42,660 Bye Bye You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1437 01:35:42,660 --> 01:35:49,950 index.org for more information. We have the booths boost