Episode 95: We Are The Jazz

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,690Oh, podcasting 2.0 for July29 2020 to Episode 95 We are the200:00:06,690 --> 00:00:12,090jazz Hello everybody. Welcomeonce again to the official board300:00:12,090 --> 00:00:15,900meeting for podcasting. 2.0everything happening in what's400:00:16,110 --> 00:00:21,150new and cool in podcasting 2.0podcast index.org Of course we500:00:21,180 --> 00:00:24,690discuss the namespace, thepodcast standards, and anything600:00:24,690 --> 00:00:27,450else that we've been messingaround with the podcast index700:00:27,450 --> 00:00:30,600dot social. I'm Adam curry herein the heart of the Texas Hill800:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,690Country and in Alabama, the manwho needs more than 1000900:00:33,690 --> 00:00:36,450characters in his descriptionfield my friend on the other1000:00:36,450 --> 00:00:39,120end, Mr. Dave Jones,1100:00:39,570 --> 00:00:44,970we urgent, urgent, urgent. Wehave racists on our side. What1200:00:44,970 --> 00:00:48,870racist? I tell you. Rael, youdidn't see that email? No.1300:00:49,410 --> 00:00:53,940You'll get an email to the tothe info at podcast index.org or1400:00:54,570 --> 00:00:56,010with an urgent message so1500:00:56,010 --> 00:00:59,400I missed it. Oh, wait, I think Idid. I did see this1600:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,090subject line urgent racistracist on your site1700:01:04,590 --> 00:01:07,140wasn't just the one that was CCto a whole bunch of other1800:01:07,140 --> 00:01:07,650people.1900:01:08,100 --> 00:01:11,970Yeah, yeah. They've in What doyou mean Shall I read it?2000:01:12,420 --> 00:01:15,000Yeah, because Weren't theyasking specifically for us to do2100:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,030something about it? Or was itjust WARNING WARNING racist on2200:01:18,030 --> 00:01:18,600our site?2300:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,260Now if you if you're gonna saythat you better give clear2400:01:22,260 --> 00:01:25,860instructions as to where theracists are so we can go in2500:01:25,950 --> 00:01:29,820Yeah, go handle handle theracist Yes. Yeah, go get in get2600:01:29,820 --> 00:01:34,440them. This is a little bit itsays like this. This starts out2700:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,230this way with I don't thinkgrammatically you're supposed to2800:01:37,230 --> 00:01:39,810start a sentence withparentheses, but I could be2900:01:39,810 --> 00:01:45,360wrong. The way this starts isparentheses, change this to3000:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,290people not person3100:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,970call right. I did see this one.Your merge fail but okay. Yeah.3200:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,370All right. We're still with you.Your merge,3300:01:53,670 --> 00:01:56,670but still applies to bothpodcasts. This person is a3400:01:56,670 --> 00:02:01,170racist, racist white nationalistaccounts are interacting,3500:02:01,290 --> 00:02:04,680replying being bigots incomments interacting with this3600:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,970content. This person possiblyplatforming such people doing3700:02:08,970 --> 00:02:12,510such they're also interactingwith others doing such podcast3800:02:12,510 --> 00:02:15,090name, orange pill podcast.3900:02:17,790 --> 00:02:22,320The max and Stacy orange pillpodcast. Seriously orange4000:02:22,320 --> 00:02:28,140pill podcast is now radically inthis email might not even be4100:02:28,140 --> 00:02:30,600talking about the orange pillpodcast is racist. They may have4200:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,210just added that in Yeah, I guessnamed Marco. But4300:02:33,660 --> 00:02:36,090just anything that happens topop up when they scrape the4400:02:36,090 --> 00:02:37,770website. It is4500:02:37,770 --> 00:02:40,950said to change this to peoplenot person. So clearly, we don't4600:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,480know how to interpret their4700:02:43,980 --> 00:02:47,070I'm telling you, man, the woeswe have to go through for4800:02:47,070 --> 00:02:50,730running an index, you know, allthese these takedown requests4900:02:50,730 --> 00:02:54,060this? It's actually we want toreally talk about that much. But5000:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,610have we received any real? LikeOne Night Two DMCA takedown5100:02:59,610 --> 00:03:01,920requests total since we've beendoing this?5200:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,920Yeah. Not many, not many real.of you know, like, real DMCA5300:03:07,920 --> 00:03:11,610takedowns. Where it's like, getit off. Yeah, we didn't do5400:03:11,970 --> 00:03:12,540anything. And5500:03:12,540 --> 00:03:15,270this may be a couple of people.Like I don't want to be on your5600:03:15,270 --> 00:03:19,470lawyer because a couple ofthose. But most are oh, so5700:03:19,470 --> 00:03:21,090embarrassing. Please delete this5800:03:22,260 --> 00:03:26,550person. You get a lot of most ofthat as anchors like, Oh, I did5900:03:26,550 --> 00:03:29,940this when I was like 12. Yeah,please remove this. Exactly.6000:03:30,090 --> 00:03:37,110Exactly. Ah, so I'm day to dayfour of the of the Cuf.6100:03:38,220 --> 00:03:41,790This is round two for you. Yeah,yeah, maybe three. Did you say6200:03:41,790 --> 00:03:42,090maybe?6300:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,630No, no, no, no, just two to 14as well. She she got it from her6400:03:45,630 --> 00:03:50,190friend. And she was in Utah. Andcame back and she's like, stay6500:03:50,190 --> 00:03:54,330away from me. Yeah, like, no. IfI had to get it, I'm gonna get6600:03:54,330 --> 00:03:56,520it. Like you're gonna get it.Stay away. Like the germs are6700:03:56,520 --> 00:04:02,580not gonna fly into my face. Soof course I got it. It didn't6800:04:02,580 --> 00:04:06,030take long. It's like a summercold. It's just annoying. It's6900:04:06,030 --> 00:04:08,670just a waste of time. It's veryannoying that way.7000:04:09,180 --> 00:04:15,090Yeah. Melissa, Melissa, she wentto Tampa a few weeks ago and she7100:04:15,090 --> 00:04:19,620got like, the big girls Girlstrip vacation. Been looking7200:04:19,620 --> 00:04:22,440forward to it. Day one as soonas she got down there, got it.7300:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,710And tested positive. And thenshe was like, Oh, great. Yeah, I7400:04:25,710 --> 00:04:26,700get to stay in the hotel.7500:04:28,290 --> 00:04:29,280Oh, no, no,7600:04:29,820 --> 00:04:31,890she didn't know she went out tothe beach and stuff. But I mean,7700:04:31,890 --> 00:04:35,160it was it's just an annoyance atthis point.7800:04:35,490 --> 00:04:39,030So it was it was fun listeningto the pod man podcast today,7900:04:39,030 --> 00:04:42,990which is basically now just acompanion show for this one.8000:04:45,030 --> 00:04:46,830It's a spin off it really is.8100:04:48,630 --> 00:04:51,030My dog is trying to saysomething I'm not sure what she8200:04:51,030 --> 00:04:54,570wants my dog. Oh, you're a dog.I thought it was they sound so8300:04:54,570 --> 00:04:55,290similar.8400:04:56,610 --> 00:05:00,780They like they are the windownumber of routing Audio Routing8500:05:00,780 --> 00:05:03,180issues we had it may be my dogcome in through your,8600:05:03,870 --> 00:05:06,420on your house. You know, let metalk about that for a second8700:05:06,420 --> 00:05:12,240because this is important forpodcasting peoples. So, just to8800:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,620briefly recap for well over adecade, maybe maybe longer it8900:05:16,620 --> 00:05:19,200really since we startedpodcasting, I've been always9000:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,530looking for the ultimate all inone portable device that would9100:05:22,530 --> 00:05:25,440really do it all with all therouting and the compression and,9200:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,970and it's never really gottenthere. And I9300:05:30,030 --> 00:05:35,010mean, let me ask you this realquick. Yeah. What do you think9400:05:35,010 --> 00:05:39,270this qualifies, rises to thelevel of an obsession with you?9500:05:39,900 --> 00:05:41,760Would you call it? Would youcall it that word?9600:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,550Yes. I mean, not an obsession,like you have to do it every9700:05:47,550 --> 00:05:50,730single day. But it's somethingthat always I've been, I mean,9800:05:50,730 --> 00:05:53,940if you go back and look, you cansee that I've made so many9900:05:53,940 --> 00:05:58,410different versions of a portablepodcast rig. And I've had it in10000:05:58,410 --> 00:06:01,170Pelican cases. And I'vedocumented most of that work. I10100:06:01,170 --> 00:06:05,910mean, this goes back to at least2009 or something. But even10200:06:05,910 --> 00:06:10,350before then, you know, we weredoing podcasting. And it just10300:06:10,350 --> 00:06:13,860seemed, yeah. Obsession. No,it's it's a part of the whole10400:06:13,860 --> 00:06:18,330idea. The idea is that if we cancreate this, then it has to also10500:06:18,330 --> 00:06:21,750be small. And there's no reasonwhy we can't have something that10600:06:21,750 --> 00:06:25,320does everything the right way.We've kind of been borrowing10700:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,530from the music industry foryears and years, the way the way10800:06:28,530 --> 00:06:33,060their stuff is set up. And thendevice makers clearly saw the10900:06:33,060 --> 00:06:37,590market for gaming. And so mostof their devices were for gamers11000:06:37,620 --> 00:06:41,820and Twitch streamers, which isstill different. It's a11100:06:41,820 --> 00:06:44,460different setup than what youneed for podcasting. And11200:06:44,460 --> 00:06:48,990certainly, the theory I have isyou, you get it good to go, you11300:06:48,990 --> 00:06:51,660hear what's going to be on therecording, and you do it all in11400:06:51,660 --> 00:06:54,570one in one take. And if you needto edit, you can go back later11500:06:54,570 --> 00:06:58,020and cut stuff out. But I'm notreally I don't think because we11600:06:58,020 --> 00:07:01,290haven't had a device that letsyou do that easily. And11700:07:01,290 --> 00:07:04,620professionally. People resortedto the well and we record11800:07:04,620 --> 00:07:07,650multitrack and we go sit therelike Phil Spector and on the11900:07:07,650 --> 00:07:10,920wall of sound, I'm going to doeverything and compress12000:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,340everyone's you know, did alittle bit panning. So which I12100:07:14,370 --> 00:07:18,330just don't think is it for thefor some some people they may12200:07:18,330 --> 00:07:21,870like to in that. But I've alwaysbelieved there's a very big12300:07:21,870 --> 00:07:25,650market for just being able tosit down and do it. And so I've12400:07:25,650 --> 00:07:27,960reached out to many devicemakers, I've tried to make my12500:07:27,960 --> 00:07:33,780own and even did a GoFundMe atone point which failed because I12600:07:33,780 --> 00:07:36,330had to pull it because wecouldn't deliver the technology,12700:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,890the actual Attabad technologypartner.12800:07:42,630 --> 00:07:43,590That's what I heard man,12900:07:43,620 --> 00:07:46,440but I had, but I had theconcept, oh hardware, I'll never13000:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,870I don't think I should ever dohardware. Again. It's hardware.13100:07:48,870 --> 00:07:52,650It's crazy. And now what I seewhat road has come out with at13200:07:52,650 --> 00:07:55,680the price point even which is$700. It doesn't matter, I would13300:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,920pay $2,000 for this, it doesn'tmatter. It's exactly what I13400:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,980want. And the nice thing aboutwhat they've done is they really13500:08:04,980 --> 00:08:10,110have it set up so they can issuefirmware updates with real13600:08:10,110 --> 00:08:13,620functionality right off the bat.So even since I've had this,13700:08:13,620 --> 00:08:15,990which has been what, six weeksor so maybe not even.13800:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,110Yeah, we're five weeks like thatin a month, month or so.13900:08:22,650 --> 00:08:27,540So we got a firmware update. Andit included some routing14000:08:28,020 --> 00:08:31,410specific routing options, whichthe gamers actually wanted to14100:08:31,410 --> 00:08:34,890they had made such a greatpodcast device, gamers went well14200:08:34,890 --> 00:08:37,500hold on, you know, this is notworking for us anymore. So they14300:08:37,500 --> 00:08:39,510were able to fix that prettyquickly, which I think was14400:08:39,510 --> 00:08:40,290fantastic.14500:08:41,490 --> 00:08:46,620So So when do you choose theappropriate window to do a14600:08:46,620 --> 00:08:48,930firmware update that iscritically important with your14700:08:48,930 --> 00:08:50,160slate of podcasts?14800:08:50,310 --> 00:08:56,460Yes, I did this on Monday. Soafter after the no agenda show,14900:08:56,730 --> 00:09:01,020I would have now I knew I wasnot going to do mo because I15000:09:01,020 --> 00:09:03,810knew I wouldn't even be able totalk by Wednesday. And I had to15100:09:03,810 --> 00:09:07,860save my my energy for Thursday.So yeah, I had a good three days15200:09:07,860 --> 00:09:11,160in between tickle, because I'mnot crazy. And everything was15300:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,680working fine. Right. But here'shere's a bug that I noticed. So15400:09:16,680 --> 00:09:20,040the way it works, when youswitch to a different show you15500:09:20,580 --> 00:09:24,720you literally import this showfrom the settings from the15600:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,560intern or from the SD cardthat's internal to the device15700:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,920that you stick into the device.Okay, and it was bringing back15800:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,940the settings with the newrouting capabilities. It was15900:09:35,940 --> 00:09:40,530confused and it should have justknown what to do and have the16000:09:40,530 --> 00:09:44,400routing. The way it was the lasttime we did the show which was16100:09:44,400 --> 00:09:51,510pre update. But it didn't andand so when it came on, it just16200:09:51,510 --> 00:09:56,100confused everything and I had togo in and reset the routing,16300:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,550which is kind of the first timeI was doing it. So it made a16400:09:59,550 --> 00:10:02,370complex ate it. And by then, ofcourse, I had already messed16500:10:02,370 --> 00:10:05,370around with clean feed and madechanges there thinking that was16600:10:05,370 --> 00:10:09,450the problem. And so now we hadfour things to deal with. But it16700:10:09,450 --> 00:10:12,570was meters. I think metus was inthe in the chat room. And he16800:10:12,570 --> 00:10:16,080said, manage. This is it's therouting stuff.16900:10:16,470 --> 00:10:18,720Yes. He said, Nick, your nukeyour routing and get back to17000:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,950default and then start fromthere.17100:10:20,460 --> 00:10:23,220Yeah, and that's the thing thisshow had not had any routing. So17200:10:23,220 --> 00:10:26,910that's a that's an update bug.You know, it's very, very hard.17300:10:26,910 --> 00:10:29,910It's particularly with withproduction machines, you know,17400:10:29,910 --> 00:10:32,490you got people relying on it,and you're, you're issuing17500:10:32,490 --> 00:10:34,680updates and stuff doesn't work awhole man.17600:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,970Yep. Well, Microsoft. Yeah.17700:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,570Well, anything really, it'sWelcome to sovereign feeds. I17800:10:42,570 --> 00:10:45,750mean, welcome to all kinds ofstuff. Absolutely.17900:10:46,110 --> 00:10:50,370Well, this, this bleeds intothat's a perfect segue into pod18000:10:50,370 --> 00:10:51,870ping dot cloud. And18100:10:52,860 --> 00:10:55,530this was yeah, this was a goodone. But18200:10:55,560 --> 00:11:03,540because, okay, you know, my myday job for the last 2626 years18300:11:03,540 --> 00:11:08,640has been no 27 years has been asa system administrator, taking18400:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,330care of servers and all kindsof, you know, lots of other18500:11:12,330 --> 00:11:23,580things. But so, as part of that,I have acquired a, a proclivity18600:11:24,030 --> 00:11:29,490to not change things, unlessthere are important reasons to18700:11:29,490 --> 00:11:33,300do so. So, like the same thatwill say, you know, okay, your18800:11:33,300 --> 00:11:37,800bios, your firmware, firmware,don't upgrade it. Unless there18900:11:37,830 --> 00:11:42,000unless there is a a securityflaw that you think you'll be19000:11:42,030 --> 00:11:47,220affected by the new feature youcan't live without, or see a bug19100:11:47,220 --> 00:11:49,980that you're trying to fix? Ifnone of those three things are19200:11:49,980 --> 00:11:54,480there. Don't don't install don'tflash your from your motherboard19300:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,150firmware, don't do any, youknow, don't don't flash firmware19400:11:57,150 --> 00:12:02,190on a device. Well, I apply thatto all updates, all updates of19500:12:02,190 --> 00:12:06,630anything, if something isworking. And there's not a19600:12:06,630 --> 00:12:12,540security problem, a feature Ineed, or a bug. I'm not touching19700:12:12,540 --> 00:12:17,130it. Because that just at youryou're randomly adding extra19800:12:17,130 --> 00:12:19,770work and extra potentialfailures to your slate.19900:12:19,890 --> 00:12:24,090I've learned I've learned thisover the years. The main thing20000:12:24,090 --> 00:12:27,870is when when to update, youknow, even even Windows Update.20100:12:28,770 --> 00:12:32,520Yeah, I deny that until I'm Iknow, I gotta clear 48 hours20200:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,000ahead.20300:12:33,690 --> 00:12:36,990Oh, yeah, you never installWindows updates within the first20400:12:36,990 --> 00:12:39,060week. You always wait at leastyou know, but20500:12:39,060 --> 00:12:43,230I mean, even just I know that Ihave 48 hours to fix something.20600:12:43,890 --> 00:12:46,080Oh, yeah, that's what I mean bythat. Oh, yeah. That's where20700:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,060yeah, anyway, so I've beenlooking at what I want to get as20800:12:51,060 --> 00:12:54,090a really good Linux distro thatis just really good at the20900:12:54,300 --> 00:12:57,600routing and sound and stuff. Andthen and then only need one21000:12:57,630 --> 00:13:01,800like, only one extra program tofulfill well, I need you I gotta21100:13:02,010 --> 00:13:04,770go. I'm using Hindenburg Pro,which I love to death21200:13:04,770 --> 00:13:08,910specifically for editing. So nowit's coming down to okay, I can21300:13:08,910 --> 00:13:11,730use Linux now in the studioenvironment with the road21400:13:11,730 --> 00:13:16,020caster, which I feel a lotbetter about, even though I know21500:13:16,020 --> 00:13:18,870a guy who's boon to crashes allthe time on the show.21600:13:19,319 --> 00:13:20,219Yeah, that.21700:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,640No, that's you. Oh, that's me.Yeah. No, it's never DeVore X21800:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,630Box ever. Now that doesn't havethat does not happen to him.21900:13:31,410 --> 00:13:34,800Yeah, my box has not had a goodweek. Yeah, we can talk about22000:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,220that, too.22100:13:35,940 --> 00:13:39,570I was gonna say the so what am Igoing to replace that with?22200:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,910Audacity is not going to cut itfor for editing the way I can22300:13:44,910 --> 00:13:48,750edit with Hindenburg Pro. So nowit's literally come down to the22400:13:48,750 --> 00:13:53,970specific usage of the apps thatthat may determine my switch.22500:13:55,410 --> 00:14:01,950Hmm. But so is is Hindenburg theuse of usable and wine or is22600:14:01,950 --> 00:14:02,730that a disaster?22700:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,340That's a disaster waiting tohappen. I mean, you're you're22800:14:05,340 --> 00:14:10,080writing huge, you know, rawfiles back and forth. But I want22900:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,890it to be native to I mean,that's, it's kind of a pushy23000:14:13,890 --> 00:14:17,460move. You know, it's like I'm onLinux, but I'm using wine for23100:14:17,460 --> 00:14:20,010half my app. Doesn't feel right.23200:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,130Right now. See, I feel it's theother way around. I feel like as23300:14:23,130 --> 00:14:26,430opposed to move, I feel likeit's like, you know, shows you23400:14:26,430 --> 00:14:30,420got like big honies to Steven atip that we're right. Again,23500:14:30,450 --> 00:14:31,440what I'm about to do,23600:14:31,620 --> 00:14:35,790again, production environment.And we're doing the show and23700:14:35,790 --> 00:14:39,360then all of a sudden winddecides to go kernel panic or23800:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,020whatever23900:14:40,230 --> 00:14:42,420you record in Hindenburg.24000:14:42,449 --> 00:14:45,689i Yeah, I do. Yeah, that's,24100:14:45,690 --> 00:14:47,130that's no, but it's, but it'salso24200:14:47,130 --> 00:14:51,660just it is my editing software.You know, I It's Believe it or24300:14:51,660 --> 00:14:59,370not, they use a hjkl Shortcutsystem. For forward, backward24400:14:59,370 --> 00:15:04,440Fast Forward. Fast backward, youknow, I've got it's so it's24500:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,780complete muscle memory from forme now. Like, I can edit so fast24600:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,780so that would that that's that'sgoing to be the big one for me24700:15:13,350 --> 00:15:13,830anyway.24800:15:14,730 --> 00:15:22,980But I had to decide to stop myUmbral services before we24900:15:22,980 --> 00:15:27,090started the before we started apodcast from my Umbral that that25000:15:27,090 --> 00:15:30,570is my podcast, Rick, and I hadto stop it because it's25100:15:30,570 --> 00:15:34,080currently 55% of the way done ofre downloading the blockchain.25200:15:34,710 --> 00:15:38,550Yeah, were you doing the upgradeto ODOT? Five?25300:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,160Yes, because I let25400:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,910my mind failed, failed everysingle time and I've given up25500:15:45,540 --> 00:15:51,570you. So your failure and, and myfailure or two failures, I think25600:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,710are different things. Becauseyou I don't know what yours is.25700:15:55,710 --> 00:15:59,070But I know I know Azim I know100% where mine is now.25800:15:59,100 --> 00:16:02,700But let me let me just say onething about mine. I haven't I25900:16:02,700 --> 00:16:06,780have not tried to update myactual mic. The Umbral that26000:16:06,780 --> 00:16:10,530runs, you know, that I receivebooster grams on this is the26100:16:10,530 --> 00:16:14,370official Bitcoin machines, theone that I bought in the in the26200:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,780encasing everything official. Soit's not it's it has to be the26300:16:18,780 --> 00:16:23,820right configuration. And forthat not to update and then we26400:16:23,820 --> 00:16:27,870have to go in command line andremove and I've tried all the26500:16:28,050 --> 00:16:32,100Remove update dot JSON are inprogress, all that shit, nothing26600:16:32,100 --> 00:16:36,540worked. That's that's an that'sa, a showstopper, you know, you26700:16:36,540 --> 00:16:39,180buy the box, because it'ssupposed to at least do some26800:16:39,180 --> 00:16:39,960things. Right?26900:16:40,860 --> 00:16:45,840Okay, here's, this is anotherlesson from sysadmin. World is27000:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,270that that is an intoxicatingidea that you always that you27100:16:51,270 --> 00:16:54,570will always get pulled backinto. And this is not specific27200:16:54,570 --> 00:16:59,280to any one vendor or anything.But it is always the case that27300:16:59,280 --> 00:17:06,630we are prone to think that isthe vendor that makes the thing27400:17:07,230 --> 00:17:11,400if you get their thing, andthey're also the ones that make27500:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,020the software that it's natural,you think, Okay, well, they're27600:17:16,020 --> 00:17:19,260the ones that make the software.So if I buy their box, or their27700:17:19,260 --> 00:17:22,320if I buy their other software,that's going to be the best27800:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,230experience because they knowbest, because they're the ones27900:17:25,230 --> 00:17:30,300that literally made the thingthat is 100% not correct.28000:17:31,050 --> 00:17:35,190Oftentimes that NIDS just as bador worse as everybody else's28100:17:35,190 --> 00:17:35,430stuff.28200:17:35,639 --> 00:17:37,529Yeah. What's interesting,though, if you go into the28300:17:37,529 --> 00:17:41,099telegram group, or you know, andtry and get some help, the first28400:17:41,099 --> 00:17:43,739thing they always say, Well, youknow, you got to get the right28500:17:43,829 --> 00:17:46,319connector, and you don't havethe right board and your your28600:17:46,319 --> 00:17:50,039power supplies the wrong powersupply. So I could bypass all of28700:17:50,039 --> 00:17:53,129that. And to Hey, you shouldjust did an update. And what28800:17:53,129 --> 00:17:57,299happened? Yes. Yep. So I don'tknow that.28900:17:58,350 --> 00:18:02,100That's because we so many timesin corporate world, you're like,29000:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,960Oh, should I buy we already ourmain software is x. And that's29100:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,290what our business lives on. Butwe have this other third party,29200:18:10,470 --> 00:18:13,650where we're used for this otherthing, but then x comes out with29300:18:13,650 --> 00:18:16,380a with a software that competeswith the other thing. Oh, I29400:18:16,380 --> 00:18:18,930should buy that because that'sgoing to work great. Yeah,29500:18:18,930 --> 00:18:22,440great. No, sir. It does not workthat way.29600:18:22,500 --> 00:18:26,220I heard that there's this.There's a buddy of mine in29700:18:26,220 --> 00:18:30,000Dallas. He was trying to explainhis business to me. Is it true29800:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,270that there's there's a wholebusiness sector that comes to29900:18:33,270 --> 00:18:35,430guys like, do you do apurchasing you must do30000:18:35,430 --> 00:18:39,360purchasing? Yeah, yeah, theycome to you. And they say, Okay,30100:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,360here's what we got. We got thisfrom Microsoft, this from30200:18:42,360 --> 00:18:45,210Oracle, all these differentthings, different packages,30300:18:45,210 --> 00:18:50,220maybe some new stuff, maybe somesome cool things. And then and30400:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,610then you say, Okay, I'll dothat. And then they basically30500:18:54,120 --> 00:18:58,200call Microsoft and Microsoftthen get a separate bunch of30600:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,980guys to come in and implementit. And the guy who talks to you30700:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,700gets IVIG for the rest of hislife, or the lifetime of the30800:19:05,700 --> 00:19:06,510contract.30900:19:06,990 --> 00:19:10,740I totally believe that yeah,because Mike Yeah, you're I know31000:19:10,740 --> 00:19:13,260a guy that does that on thephone side. He does that with31100:19:13,260 --> 00:19:15,750phones with phone software andsystems. Yes.31200:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,960I think my buddy also does a lotof phone software and systems31300:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,310Yeah, like call centers?31400:19:20,730 --> 00:19:23,760Yeah, it's a consultant it's aconsultant Yeah, just goes out31500:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,070and shops shops your packagearound them. Yeah.31600:19:26,100 --> 00:19:30,000What a scammer that he gets hegets a piece of the license fee31700:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,920is for the length of thecontract.31800:19:32,250 --> 00:19:34,770Oh, yeah. This guy makes bank Imean, he's like, What are we31900:19:34,770 --> 00:19:35,070doing32000:19:35,070 --> 00:19:38,400wrong? Do we mess around withthis podcasting stuff for like32100:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,600this is crazy. asleep and makingmoney we're32200:19:42,900 --> 00:19:47,760paying our own money to go toDallas I want to get paid I want32300:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,010to get paid like those guys knowYeah.32400:19:50,070 --> 00:19:54,570in perpetuity forever all right.32500:19:56,970 --> 00:20:02,160No, bomb bro. Just shit the bedI mean like If so what happens I32600:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,060trust started, I started theupgrade, it wouldn't upgrade to32700:20:06,060 --> 00:20:13,500the GUI. So I went in commandline as, like Chris Fisher said,32800:20:13,590 --> 00:20:16,230told me, this is his fall, hetold me to do it. So I'm gonna32900:20:16,230 --> 00:20:19,260blame. Okay, so I went in thereand I hit the start of the33000:20:19,260 --> 00:20:25,200upgrade script. And, and Inoticed that it's, that is33100:20:25,410 --> 00:20:30,090making a backup of the entireUmbral directory. First I'm33200:20:30,090 --> 00:20:33,810nothing, okay? It's why wouldn'tlike That's weird. I'm guessing33300:20:33,810 --> 00:20:37,680it's gonna make a backup of theof the whole directory and drop33400:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,680in a new file structure and thenimport and then bring in33500:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,380selectively config files andstuff from the old install.33600:20:43,410 --> 00:20:46,530That's the only thing I canthink. And so part of the33700:20:46,530 --> 00:20:50,340problem is, you've got theentire blockchain there. So33800:20:50,340 --> 00:20:56,130it's, it's backing up to theend, I thought I had a two33900:20:56,130 --> 00:20:59,490terabyte drive and I'm like,okay, all right. It's, it's fine34000:20:59,490 --> 00:21:02,190to two terabytes. It's gonna beit's gonna be tight, but it'll34100:21:02,220 --> 00:21:05,070it'll fit. Well, no, I had a oneterabyte drive.34200:21:05,430 --> 00:21:09,060Oh, no, you're screwed. No, thatwon't do it.34300:21:09,420 --> 00:21:12,870Ran the volume out of space. Andeverything stopped. I'm like,34400:21:12,900 --> 00:21:18,150Oh, shit. So I go in there tryto start cleaning it up. in it.34500:21:18,150 --> 00:21:21,120Now it's half an update. It's ahalfway finished out. They I34600:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,680don't know what's what. Now let34700:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,700me ask you a question. Did youbackup your channels before you34800:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,560started this process? I34900:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,460did backup my channel. Okay. AndI had my seat words. Like a good35000:21:32,460 --> 00:21:36,690little boy, I had all of mystuff in a good few days. Yes, I35100:21:36,690 --> 00:21:40,710did all of the did all of thesethings. And that was very35200:21:40,710 --> 00:21:45,330important. Because I came I cameback, I finally got back home.35300:21:45,330 --> 00:21:49,530Well, the, you know, did youtell scale? Right, right. And of35400:21:49,530 --> 00:21:52,140course, then the thing dies, andI have no access anymore. So I35500:21:52,140 --> 00:21:57,630get home. And I start it. Iclean up the disk space issue.35600:21:57,900 --> 00:22:02,460And I just go, I go back to whatit was. And I try to start start35700:22:02,460 --> 00:22:05,010the update again. And35800:22:05,070 --> 00:22:07,350because there wasn't enough painthe first time like, Come on,35900:22:07,770 --> 00:22:08,490let's do it.36000:22:09,300 --> 00:22:13,170You know, I was asking myselfthe whole time. Why am I why am36100:22:13,170 --> 00:22:16,680I doing this? Yeah, I did havean answer to myself. And the36200:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,790answer was, because Hello, Pat,I've got to have this newest36300:22:20,790 --> 00:22:23,790development environment. This istrue. Because otherwise36400:22:23,790 --> 00:22:26,580developmental help out I can'tgo to the umbrella. Yeah. So I'm36500:22:26,580 --> 00:22:31,380like, Okay, I'm gonna make thishappen. And, and start the36600:22:31,380 --> 00:22:34,830upgrade again. It starts cop, itstarts copying the thing. This36700:22:34,830 --> 00:22:37,650time I'm prepared for thisscenario, it starts copying the36800:22:37,650 --> 00:22:41,340blockchain files. And here's,here's my thought, Okay, here's36900:22:41,340 --> 00:22:44,400my thinking. This thinkingultimately will bite me in the37000:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,280ass and mean, a mean way morework for me. But this was my37100:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,680thinking at the time. I'm goingto stay ahead of this. What I'm37200:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,700going to do is as it's backingup, it's it's clearly going to37300:22:56,700 --> 00:23:01,470bring all the blocks all theblockchain files back. And so37400:23:01,590 --> 00:23:04,440what I'm going to do is as it'sbacking it up to this temporary37500:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,380directory, I'm going to deletethe blockchain files from the37600:23:07,380 --> 00:23:08,310source directory.37700:23:08,340 --> 00:23:11,760Oh, this is a very bad idea. AndI'm going to stay37800:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,720just behind the curve. So thatit when it's on blockchain,37900:23:16,410 --> 00:23:21,000Blockchain style 347, I'mdeleting 341 through 346. And38000:23:21,000 --> 00:23:21,090you're38100:23:21,090 --> 00:23:24,690doing this manually and you'rewatching the log in real time38200:23:24,690 --> 00:23:27,240and you're doing rm and thenwhatever,38300:23:28,199 --> 00:23:31,679RM BLK star, star, whatever. Did38400:23:31,679 --> 00:23:34,079you think ahead? What happens ifit fails? And then you need to38500:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,779go back and do the copy again,and you've deleted them all?38600:23:37,139 --> 00:23:41,249No, no, of course, I didn'tthink about that. No, that's38700:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,469yeah, that the story would wouldhave already been over if I'd38800:23:43,469 --> 00:23:46,799have thought of that. Because soI'm deleting I'm happily38900:23:46,799 --> 00:23:50,369deleting I'm like, Man, this issuch a great idea. I'm, I'm39000:23:50,369 --> 00:23:54,989hacking this this system sohard. And it finishes and then39100:23:54,989 --> 00:23:59,249it just it goes, does a bunch ofstuff. And then it says, Okay,39200:23:59,249 --> 00:24:05,159you're done. You're upgraded.I'm a genius. Genius.39300:24:05,340 --> 00:24:08,760I got some I got the yearupgraded message many times to39400:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,160like, Man, I You are a badass.You're so genius. It says39500:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,530it right there on the commandline. It goes prove that you've39600:24:16,530 --> 00:24:19,140been updated. 0.5 Then you startit up.39700:24:19,169 --> 00:24:27,029Yep. And, and it was 0.5.Really? It was 0.5 with no39800:24:27,059 --> 00:24:34,499Bitcoin or lightning app. Yay.And I was like, Wait, okay. Be39900:24:34,499 --> 00:24:38,069right. I must, that must. Okay.And then I'm thinking and then40000:24:38,099 --> 00:24:41,999then I'm starting to like, I'mdoing the thing where I'm40100:24:41,999 --> 00:24:45,989getting rid of my panic mode bytrying to rationalize what could40200:24:46,049 --> 00:24:49,559be happening. Yeah. So I'm like,Okay, I bet you this is what40300:24:49,559 --> 00:24:54,509they did. I bet. They give you ablank Umbral point five and then40400:24:54,509 --> 00:24:57,479you install the Bitcoin andlightning node apps. And then40500:24:57,479 --> 00:25:01,469everything just comes back,though course that's stupid that40600:25:01,949 --> 00:25:06,179makes no, it makes no sense. Iinstalled the Bitcoin app and40700:25:06,179 --> 00:25:10,529it's just blank. No, no chain,no no chain, installed the40800:25:10,529 --> 00:25:13,529lightning node app it says, nowyou got nothing. You got to wait40900:25:13,529 --> 00:25:16,829to the to the for the chain tosnake. Oh crap.41000:25:17,190 --> 00:25:21,630So now you you read read youstarted up from your seed words.41100:25:22,590 --> 00:25:23,160Yeah, that's where41200:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,420it gets that's where it getsreal fun. Because here's a bug41300:25:27,420 --> 00:25:33,900with 0.5 You can't recover fromseed words what it's got the41400:25:33,900 --> 00:25:38,700option is just gone. It and Iconfirm this on message boards41500:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,640and everything there is nooption to recover from see words41600:25:41,670 --> 00:25:51,960in 0.5 in the 0.5 version, soWow, the only option is blow all41700:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,870that stuff away. Go back just rmrf the whole MF er, install oh41800:25:57,870 --> 00:26:03,900point five, install Oh, point4.18 And then do the upgrade. Do41900:26:03,900 --> 00:26:09,450the restore from seed words, letthe blockchain sink Oh. And then42000:26:09,450 --> 00:26:12,540however many days that takeshope that your channels didn't42100:26:12,540 --> 00:26:15,150force close by the time thatfinishes so you can restore your42200:26:15,150 --> 00:26:18,960channel back. Which is currentlythe phase I'm in? Wow.42300:26:22,230 --> 00:26:24,870Hey, Roy, when you when you'regoing to give us that new hot42400:26:24,870 --> 00:26:27,240shit you're working on man. Sowe now have to deal with this42500:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,710anymore. This is crazy.42600:26:29,340 --> 00:26:32,670I want some green light, man.This was suck. Give us42700:26:32,670 --> 00:26:36,930some Greg. Give us him greenlight, bro. Yeah, that does42800:26:36,930 --> 00:26:37,800suck. I'm sorry.42900:26:38,670 --> 00:26:45,330But, you know, that's yeah, Idon't under the I have no ill43000:26:45,330 --> 00:26:48,270will towards Umbral in any waybecause I think they're doing a43100:26:48,300 --> 00:26:52,800very complicated thing. I can'teven imagine trying to handle43200:26:52,800 --> 00:26:58,380all the stuff that they'redoing. But this you should not43300:26:58,380 --> 00:27:03,960ship a Bitcoin wallet with thedeterministic bitcoin wallet43400:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,570without that does not have theability to recover from seed43500:27:06,570 --> 00:27:10,170words. That is a showstopper.Yes, it is. That should have43600:27:10,170 --> 00:27:11,220never left the barn.43700:27:12,690 --> 00:27:16,350All right. So we talked aboutpodcasts? Yeah, well, let's,43800:27:17,340 --> 00:27:21,300let's transition into and thisis what I was hearing on pod43900:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,570land that Oberto from rss.comwas talking about, and I44000:27:24,570 --> 00:27:27,780encourage everyone to listen,that interview was talking about44100:27:27,780 --> 00:27:32,430the integration with the lbwallet, and but not heard that44200:27:33,090 --> 00:27:36,420you will love it. Because justlistening to how they think44300:27:36,420 --> 00:27:42,780about the development of theirhosting services, and the44400:27:42,780 --> 00:27:46,830roadmap and how they determinethe roadmap and how they do44500:27:47,790 --> 00:27:51,690enhancements, and mostimportantly, the decisions Why44600:27:51,990 --> 00:27:55,830is really interesting. And italso gave me a little more44700:27:55,830 --> 00:28:01,380insight into why things go slow.And okay, yeah, the thing, I44800:28:01,380 --> 00:28:03,930guess the big takeaway, well,first of all, I love that44900:28:03,930 --> 00:28:07,080they've done this. And you know,and it's a very, it's a very45000:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,480basic, you know, you havethere's no split, so you got a45100:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,040wallet, and it works. And it's avery simple process. And, and45200:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,000I'm amazed. And so now they'regoing to look and see how their,45300:28:18,930 --> 00:28:22,950how their customers interactwith as they use it at all. But45400:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,800just as you know, we've alwayshad the chicken and the egg45500:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,860problem of what are the newfeatures, the apps have to45600:28:31,860 --> 00:28:35,190support them? The hostingcompanies, and this was one of45700:28:35,190 --> 00:28:38,970Alberto's points is like, well,you know, with chapters four,45800:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,240certainly in the beginning,99.9% of all of his customers be45900:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760like, oh, cool, I did chapters,and I put my chapters in here,46000:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,730is that great, but where arethey on Spotify? You know, so46100:28:50,730 --> 00:28:55,800they, so they have this verylong adoption and educational46200:28:56,010 --> 00:28:59,070phase. And I'm sure all thehosting companies have this. And46300:28:59,070 --> 00:29:02,850it's kind of fun, because now Isee that all of a sudden, a lot46400:29:02,850 --> 00:29:07,380of the podcasts on the hostthat, you know, that I guess, I46500:29:07,380 --> 00:29:09,660listened to podcast that areacross all the hosts, but now46600:29:09,660 --> 00:29:14,850I'm hearing ad insertions. Seemslike you know that that was kind46700:29:14,850 --> 00:29:17,640of a thing that everyone'sworking on for maybe 18 months.46800:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,740And now I hear dynamic ads onblueberry, you have the mid46900:29:22,740 --> 00:29:27,120rolls that Buzzsprout is doingis very interesting. So that47000:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,200that's kind of their, I guesstheir CO competitive wave that47100:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,410they're doing things and now Ithink we're seeing this move47200:29:34,410 --> 00:29:42,030towards the 2.0 features. And,you know, it's, it's always been47300:29:42,030 --> 00:29:45,240slow with podcasting, but I gota little more insight into the47400:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,550hosting end of it and how theyhave to deal with with driving47500:29:50,550 --> 00:29:51,480adoption, really.47600:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,500I was having a conversation withsomebody about this recently.47700:29:56,190 --> 00:30:00,120And I liked the way rss.com Didit and this was this was what So47800:30:00,360 --> 00:30:07,830what I suggest to peopleprivately Is that you, you know47900:30:07,830 --> 00:30:12,360you can do, you can do a featurelike this to one of, you know a48000:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,870few ways, I mean, two primaryways. You could say, Okay,48100:30:15,870 --> 00:30:20,940there's this thing. And we wantto, we want to, we want to do48200:30:20,940 --> 00:30:25,110this for our customers, we wantto enable this feature, or this48300:30:25,110 --> 00:30:30,630ability to do a thing, you couldsay, all right, value for value,48400:30:30,630 --> 00:30:35,190we're going to do that, we aregoing to go grab some software,48500:30:35,250 --> 00:30:40,440LM PE, or Alby, I think Abby'sopen source as well, you we're48600:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,750gonna go grab that we're gonnaload up, we're gonna fire up a48700:30:42,750 --> 00:30:45,480node, we don't have any ideawhat we're doing. But we're48800:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,790gonna fire up a node, we'regonna stick, you know, run this48900:30:47,790 --> 00:30:50,940software, and we're gonna startfiguring out where to put49000:30:50,940 --> 00:30:54,300wallets on your, you could doall you could do it that way.49100:30:54,690 --> 00:30:57,990And take on a whole lot ofliability potentially, for49200:30:57,990 --> 00:31:01,830things that you don't fullyunderstand. Or you could do an49300:31:01,830 --> 00:31:07,380integration with somebody likean AO B or some third party and49400:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,170get essentially, what could bemaybe not as robust a solution,49500:31:13,170 --> 00:31:15,240you may, there may be things youwant to do in the future that49600:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,990you can't do without me. But atleast what you've done is sort49700:31:18,990 --> 00:31:21,960of a you've outsourced theresponsibility for a thing that49800:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,730you don't fully grasp to thisother outfit. And that gives you49900:31:26,940 --> 00:31:31,140a little bit of separationbetween between design and50000:31:31,170 --> 00:31:32,250potential disaster.50100:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,060And it is an example ofinterrupts in its purest form as50200:31:36,060 --> 00:31:39,660long as you use the openstandards, just like RSS enables50300:31:39,990 --> 00:31:45,090podcast index to work with curiocaster with POD verse with50400:31:45,090 --> 00:31:49,920fountain. And it works with anyof the hosting companies feeds.50500:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,010Same thing with with theLightning Network and payments.50600:31:53,460 --> 00:31:57,240So much. Yeah, it's a beautifulthing. And that's what you're50700:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,110not going to get into in a in awalled garden approach. And I50800:32:01,110 --> 00:32:06,420think it just drives innovation.Look at us. Look at look at look50900:32:06,420 --> 00:32:10,170at where we're at. People, youknow, people with Spotify don't51000:32:10,170 --> 00:32:16,560even know we exist. Some of theexecutives know. Yeah, whatever.51100:32:17,070 --> 00:32:21,120Yeah, was what was that moviethat Danny Kaye was in?51200:32:22,620 --> 00:32:27,720Danny Kaye? The movie about theEgypt?51300:32:28,439 --> 00:32:33,509Yeah, it was about theencyclopedia, cyclo P, the51400:32:33,749 --> 00:32:37,319music, almost like, this issomething from my childhood, and51500:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,479I'm making myself a huge Boomer.By doing this. There was a movie51600:32:43,349 --> 00:32:48,869was it the music man? Anyway, Ihave to find out what it was,51700:32:48,899 --> 00:32:53,699there was a movie and, and itwas this group of, of51800:32:53,699 --> 00:32:56,159intellectuals and they werewriting the history of music.51900:32:56,339 --> 00:32:58,319And you're going by they werestill kind of, they've been52000:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,959doing this for 10 years, andthey were still an African52100:33:00,989 --> 00:33:06,569tribal music. And then all of asudden, they kind of get out and52200:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,929have a drink in the open andthey they discover that jazz is52300:33:09,929 --> 00:33:14,339all around them. And, and that'skind of how I see what happens52400:33:14,339 --> 00:33:17,699with these with these companieswho are so hyper focused on what52500:33:17,699 --> 00:33:20,729they're doing. And they don'tsee the jazz being played around52600:33:20,729 --> 00:33:23,159them, which I think is a reallygood metaphor for podcasting.52700:33:23,159 --> 00:33:26,9992.0 We're like it is jazz.Everyone comes in. Boop, boop52800:33:26,999 --> 00:33:30,449boop boo. And and sometimes itdoesn't fit and you know, then52900:33:30,449 --> 00:33:32,819just like, yeah, Yo, man, gosmoke a J come back later,53000:33:32,820 --> 00:33:37,560but you know what I mean? It'spennies. The five pennies is53100:33:37,560 --> 00:33:37,770this53200:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,160is this. That doesn't soundright. Well, it's it's about the53300:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,140Encyclopedia of music. Okay,I'll have to see. I mean, it53400:33:46,140 --> 00:33:49,980hadn't made an impression on mesomehow. When I was a kid,53500:33:50,820 --> 00:33:58,290anyway. Yeah. Now, I like thisand the interrupt there is, is,53600:33:58,380 --> 00:34:01,440is perfect because it allowslike, it allows people to53700:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,220experiment with some of thesefeatures in a way for their for53800:34:05,220 --> 00:34:08,070their customers, or their forthe benefit of their customers.53900:34:08,070 --> 00:34:11,340I mean, this stuff works. It'snot like you're just sandboxing54000:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,680something and saying, you know,okay, well there's that early54100:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,780word but you're getting yourplay around with it. All right,54200:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600you know this this actuallyworks and you and for those54300:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,580customers who want to give it ago, they can that is but it's a54400:34:23,580 --> 00:34:30,240very little risk to theirprimary business and time sink.54500:34:30,750 --> 00:34:34,710Although pocket running withscissors sometimes sometimes54600:34:34,980 --> 00:34:39,090effects my actual business. Man,I screwed up the RSS feed on no54700:34:39,090 --> 00:34:40,770agenda so bad yesterday.54800:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,590Tell me what happened because Ididn't follow.54900:34:44,489 --> 00:34:48,449Okay, the first obvious issue isI have this caching thing, which55000:34:48,449 --> 00:34:53,699is just killing me is justkilling me i because of the55100:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,869cache, you know, I have to guessand wait well, maybe 15 minutes55200:34:57,869 --> 00:35:01,079before I send a pod ping and soIf you're doing that you're55300:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,519trying to do a lit pod ping. Andyou know, oh shit, I've already55400:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,179started the show. So it's a,it's an extra piece of work in55500:35:09,179 --> 00:35:12,419the cockpit the pilot doesn'tneed. But I still want to do it.55600:35:12,779 --> 00:35:15,779So anyway, so yesterday,yesterday, I was really sick, we55700:35:15,779 --> 00:35:19,829did the show I'm done. And thenin sovereign feed, which does55800:35:19,829 --> 00:35:24,869all of this for me, somehow,instead of copy previous episode55900:35:24,869 --> 00:35:30,419to make a new one, I justchanged the old one. And I56000:35:30,419 --> 00:35:32,729didn't realize it until Ipublished it. But once you56100:35:32,729 --> 00:35:36,059publish your RSS feed,particularly if you've got56200:35:36,059 --> 00:35:38,939caching stuff, and there's noquick like, Oh, let me swap it56300:35:38,939 --> 00:35:39,269out.56400:35:40,830 --> 00:35:43,620Those happen when you publishthings, oh, man, and56500:35:43,620 --> 00:35:48,720then and then yeah, so then Ithen I had to have curio caster56600:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,320retrieve the original feed, andI still had, I always save a56700:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,070copy of my feet. So for that, Ican restore that restored that56800:35:56,070 --> 00:36:00,000but then, you know, then curiocaster has to wait 15 minutes to56900:36:00,030 --> 00:36:02,550break through the cat orsovereign fees to break through57000:36:02,550 --> 00:36:06,270the cache. Okay, so I finallygot the old feed now goes to the57100:36:06,270 --> 00:36:10,950whole thing. I do it properly. Ipublish. It takes forever Of57200:36:10,950 --> 00:36:13,950course, you know, pod but no oneknows what's going on. Every app57300:36:13,980 --> 00:36:17,760interprets that differently. Sosome people have a double A one57400:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,660episode, the episodes are out oforder. It has this different art57500:36:21,660 --> 00:36:25,260on the right. I mean, it's afucking mess. And57600:36:25,950 --> 00:36:31,440we show actually, we show works.So wonder what we have in the57700:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,580index what it looks like.57800:36:32,790 --> 00:36:35,580What do you mean? I didn't screwthat one up.57900:36:36,300 --> 00:36:38,250Now I'm saying I wonder how weinterpreted58000:36:38,310 --> 00:36:40,230Oh,58100:36:41,190 --> 00:36:45,090did you check we I'm looking atit now we show. It should be58200:36:45,090 --> 00:36:48,960right. It looks like everythingis correct. Except the title for58300:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,510forcing it. 1472 is 1471.58400:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,590No, no, it's reversed and see.The reverse in order. Says58500:36:58,890 --> 00:37:02,160you're 71 only. Oh god, did Ieven do the58600:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,360be looking at the looking at theindex?58700:37:08,580 --> 00:37:13,980Did I not? Did I might not makeit episodes. 1472. Oh, man,58800:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,240it's wrong in the fall.58900:37:15,240 --> 00:37:25,260Oh my god. I see. And well,well, yay. So that's what I mean59000:37:25,260 --> 00:37:31,230is like, shit happens. But oh,man. It's not so much that, you59100:37:31,230 --> 00:37:33,600know, I can't you know, peopleare like, Hey, man, you messed59200:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,580up. Okay, that's easy enough.But the amount of people who59300:37:38,580 --> 00:37:43,830tell you hey, man, and theamount of tweets and emails and59400:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,740yeah, so anyway, my own fault.59500:37:47,370 --> 00:37:51,270This is when things go when whendisaster happens in the phone59600:37:51,270 --> 00:37:54,030and the phone starts ringing offthe hook. You know, what I59700:37:54,030 --> 00:37:57,330usually say is okay. Would youlike to stay on the phone and59800:37:57,330 --> 00:37:58,200talk about this?59900:37:58,470 --> 00:37:59,700Would you like me to go? Andthey'll say,60000:38:00,930 --> 00:38:02,070Well, the same your choice.60100:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,800Same thing with dog catcherevery day. There's someone who60200:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,140says, hey, hey, I can't get getthe no agenda show on dog60300:38:10,140 --> 00:38:15,750catcher anymore. Yeah, but mostpeople now i'd now I know what60400:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,330to say them. And I say hey, man,here's what's going on and say,60500:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,190oh, okay, I got you. FormLetter, your reply with no, it's60600:38:23,190 --> 00:38:26,880not. It's not a form letter.Okay, but people say yeah, you60700:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,490know what, they never really didthis or that. And so maybe it's60800:38:29,490 --> 00:38:31,950time to get a new app, but alot. This is how dedicated60900:38:31,950 --> 00:38:33,180people are to the apps.61000:38:34,530 --> 00:38:38,340As find it hard to be dedicatedto an app that's been abandoned.61100:38:38,370 --> 00:38:42,840Like, I mean, it's I lovesticking with apps clearly. I61200:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,740mean, I stuck with a bad versionof pod paying until I beat me in61300:38:46,740 --> 00:38:50,670the ass. But like, Well, Dave,I'm all I'm all about it. But I61400:38:50,670 --> 00:38:53,730just I mean, how do you stickwith an app that the developer61500:38:53,730 --> 00:38:56,220has literally said, you know,I'm just not going to do this61600:38:56,220 --> 00:38:56,700anymore.61700:38:56,730 --> 00:38:58,500I still use freedom controller.61800:39:07,500 --> 00:39:08,550I couldn't resist.61900:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,370I didn't come here for thisabuse. Just messing62000:39:14,370 --> 00:39:14,940me the brother.62100:39:16,620 --> 00:39:20,220Yeah, no, I just think it's timeto move on from that app.62200:39:20,609 --> 00:39:24,089Oh, yeah, definitely. But it'sjust, you know, just when it62300:39:24,089 --> 00:39:26,699comes to, hey, we're justtalking about software and how62400:39:26,699 --> 00:39:29,399it all sucks and things breakand it all depends on the people62500:39:29,399 --> 00:39:32,009who are involved in it to makeit work or not or care62600:39:33,150 --> 00:39:34,230about pod pink cloud for62700:39:34,230 --> 00:39:36,600a second. Yes, because this wasthe other disaster.62800:39:37,170 --> 00:39:41,460And it also leads to to anotherto an opportunity to hear so.62900:39:42,660 --> 00:39:44,160But yeah, so piping63000:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,490a good explainer for the newbieson pod ping.63100:39:48,060 --> 00:39:54,000Okay, yeah, so pod ping is. Podping is a notification system63200:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,370for podcast activity that rideson the hive blockchain. Hive is63300:39:59,370 --> 00:40:03,150a public A blockchain is veryfast, it's it puts a new block63400:40:03,150 --> 00:40:08,790out every three seconds. So whatwe do is, or excuse me what,63500:40:09,780 --> 00:40:16,080what piping does is when you,you can write a JSON blob to the63600:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,480hive blockchain. And that JSONblob can contain URLs of63700:40:21,480 --> 00:40:27,630podcasts feeds, and a reason andpotentially a medium attached to63800:40:27,630 --> 00:40:35,640them. So you can say, okay, noagenda show updated. And this is63900:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,820the reason why it updated.Here's an update. And you could64000:40:38,820 --> 00:40:42,840say it's because it went live,or because the feed changed or64100:40:42,870 --> 00:40:45,840blah, blah, blah, you put thaton the blockchain. And then64200:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,500within you know, within seconds,everybody, it becomes public,64300:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,550and everybody can see no agendachanged, or whatever, you know,64400:40:53,580 --> 00:40:57,780the podcast is. So that's,that's the Quickie overview of64500:40:57,780 --> 00:41:04,620the way of what pod pain does.And we so then you there's64600:41:04,620 --> 00:41:07,350there's two components to it,you have what we call the hive64700:41:07,350 --> 00:41:11,580writer, which writes the the podpain, nobody notifications to64800:41:11,580 --> 00:41:15,960the blockchain, then you havethe hive watcher, which watches64900:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,540the blockchain to read thenotifications as they come by65000:41:18,540 --> 00:41:26,520block by block. And so we, theissue there is you have to have65100:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,710what are called hive postingkeys, like you have to have65200:41:28,710 --> 00:41:35,040permission, in essence to writeto the hive blockchain. And the65300:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,190permission that you get isthrough the delegation of their65400:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,810hive coin. That's, you know,their cryptocurrency. That65500:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,140which when you say permission,that's the technical version of65600:41:46,140 --> 00:41:50,850permission, but anybody can canacquire that permission and65700:41:50,850 --> 00:41:53,430write to the to the blockchainfor this, correct?65800:41:53,970 --> 00:41:58,050Yes. If they own coin, yes, ifthey get a stake if they can65900:41:58,050 --> 00:42:04,920stake owned coin. Yes. So inorder that's, that's a, that's a66000:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,570roadblock or that's, that's a66100:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,220mental roadblock for for many,I'm sure. Yeah. And66200:42:11,220 --> 00:42:15,360it was a practical roadblock toat first, because I still may be66300:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,210this way, for all I know, Imean, it's not easy to buy to66400:42:18,210 --> 00:42:21,360buy hive coin to begin with. Imean, it was a cumbersome66500:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,080process. And so we were like,well, the hive blockchain is is66600:42:25,080 --> 00:42:31,860stable, and it's good for thispurpose in but, I mean, the last66700:42:31,860 --> 00:42:36,420thing we want to do is say, hey,blueberry, here's what you need66800:42:36,420 --> 00:42:39,630to do this and pod things. Gobuy you some hive is like that,66900:42:39,630 --> 00:42:44,010no, no, that's just enough. AndI don't want to get into pimp67000:42:44,010 --> 00:42:46,440and cryptocurrencies on people,okay, is like not going to67100:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,510happen. So what we we took,we've created a thing called pod67200:42:51,510 --> 00:42:56,220bean dot cloud. And pumping outcloud is we do all of the67300:42:56,220 --> 00:42:58,470posting to the blockchain to thehive blockchain in the67400:42:58,470 --> 00:43:04,080background. And all you have todo is send a URL of your feed67500:43:04,140 --> 00:43:07,110and a rate and potentially inthe future a reason code, send a67600:43:07,110 --> 00:43:11,070URL of your feed to piping dotcloud. And then we already have67700:43:11,070 --> 00:43:14,310the staking and then all thisstuff set up in the background67800:43:14,310 --> 00:43:17,910with posting accounts. And wejust write it to you to the67900:43:17,910 --> 00:43:20,970blockchain on your behalf. Itjust takes all of the messy68000:43:20,970 --> 00:43:24,840cryptocurrency weirdness awayfrom it. So that's the patreon68100:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,950dot cloud service68200:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,390with the with with the resultbeing that that is a true68300:43:30,390 --> 00:43:34,110history of what is updated inpodcasting. And it has a lot of68400:43:34,110 --> 00:43:38,160that detail. And of course, thepointer to each RSS feed.68500:43:39,870 --> 00:43:42,840In that sense, it's an untappedresource, honestly, of68600:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,780historical stats, and yeah, allkinds of things. So so that's68700:43:48,780 --> 00:43:54,180what poppin dot cloud is. And inits its consists of five68800:43:54,180 --> 00:43:58,110servers, three in the UnitedStates, one in Australia, one in68900:43:58,110 --> 00:44:02,520Europe. They're globally thereload balanced geo location load69000:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,290balance. So when you send a URLto the piping cloud service, it69100:44:07,290 --> 00:44:12,690chooses the load the nearestserver to it to you. And uses69200:44:12,690 --> 00:44:18,390that. As its as its, as itspoint. It's just a web it's each69300:44:18,390 --> 00:44:24,030server has two parts. It's a webserver front end it's a binary69400:44:24,030 --> 00:44:28,620just a single binary. And on theback end, it's it connects with69500:44:28,620 --> 00:44:35,760the hive writer, Python scriptthrough a through zero MQ Z MQ,69600:44:36,150 --> 00:44:40,470which is just an A an advancedsocket architecture socket69700:44:40,470 --> 00:44:45,450service. Meaning like, you know,just like you saw any kind of69800:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,310Unix socket, or TCP socket, youcan, it can set itself up is69900:44:50,310 --> 00:44:52,380that but then it gives you theability to do all kinds of fun70000:44:52,380 --> 00:44:56,790stuff like many to one or one tomany or queuing and oh, that70100:44:56,790 --> 00:44:57,390sounds really70200:44:57,390 --> 00:44:57,810fun.70300:44:58,529 --> 00:45:05,789It's great. to try. And soanyway, that it's it's in70400:45:05,789 --> 00:45:08,249essence, it's a fairly fairlysimplistic system, you send a70500:45:08,249 --> 00:45:13,769URL to the piping front end andthe web server accepts it, sends70600:45:13,769 --> 00:45:17,669it through the zero MQ socket.Hive writer gets it writes it to70700:45:17,669 --> 00:45:24,419the blockchain done. Well, the Ihave not touched the piping70800:45:24,419 --> 00:45:30,389servers in a couple of months.And I don't really think about70900:45:30,389 --> 00:45:38,039it. And what what we do in theindex is if you are a host that71000:45:38,039 --> 00:45:42,089supports pod ping, and sends podpings, we don't pull you71100:45:42,089 --> 00:45:47,939anymore, right? If so, thatwould be Buzzsprout rss.com.71200:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,680No pausing for you.71300:45:50,910 --> 00:45:56,670transistor, Captivate pod servejust the whole point. get thrown71400:45:56,670 --> 00:46:02,130at Yes, exactly. And there's nothere's more cast, cast a71500:46:02,130 --> 00:46:07,410seriously simple podcastingplugin through cast dos as the71600:46:07,410 --> 00:46:11,370Mars a lot. So, yeah, and we'reeating our own dog food. There's71700:46:11,370 --> 00:46:14,970like, Okay, well, this, we weresaying that this is the way that71800:46:14,970 --> 00:46:18,030things should work. So everybodystops polling. Well, I'm not71900:46:18,030 --> 00:46:20,790just going to keep polling. I'mgonna I'm going to plant my72000:46:20,790 --> 00:46:21,540flag.72100:46:21,570 --> 00:46:23,670Yes. And how'd that work out?72200:46:24,270 --> 00:46:29,550It blew up. It did not work.Yeah, no, no, it72300:46:30,180 --> 00:46:31,200was working fine. I72400:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,870guess. It was it was workingfine for a long time. And72500:46:38,010 --> 00:46:43,530because there's three servers inthe US, what had happened was72600:46:44,310 --> 00:46:50,340one of them, the hive writer hadlocked up and frozen. With a72700:46:50,370 --> 00:46:57,030with a head frozen with a withan exception. He had raised an72800:46:57,030 --> 00:47:00,690exception that did not crash theprocess. So the process was just72900:47:00,690 --> 00:47:07,050sitting there stuck. And thenabout a few weeks later, another73000:47:07,050 --> 00:47:10,530one did the same thing. Butthere's still one over here73100:47:10,530 --> 00:47:15,030left, is this getting traffic?And since the front end, the web73200:47:15,030 --> 00:47:20,370server is still accepting URLs.Glad happily and just sticking73300:47:20,370 --> 00:47:21,180them in the queue?73400:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,940Did you just have a huge queue?Yeah,73500:47:23,970 --> 00:47:28,170the queues just like, you know,it has 50,000 feeds in it. No.73600:47:28,650 --> 00:47:31,830Yeah, no, but but because podthings are still coming through73700:47:31,830 --> 00:47:34,200to the chain. I didn't realizeanything was wrong. I thought it73800:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,350was just raw, stink, things arestill coming through because of73900:47:37,350 --> 00:47:40,290that. 1/3 that third server,this being a troopers still74000:47:40,290 --> 00:47:47,310doing his job. And then, thenAlberto and johnsburg sent me a74100:47:47,310 --> 00:47:51,480message like, hey, you know,Spurlock stats are showing that.74200:47:52,380 --> 00:47:56,850There's been a big drop off inrss.com feed updates in my74300:47:56,850 --> 00:47:59,790house. That's weird America. Andreally, nobody's contacted me74400:47:59,790 --> 00:48:03,120about it. In there, like we'retrying to think figured out,74500:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,760maybe it's a caching issue. AndI'm like, you know, of course, I74600:48:05,820 --> 00:48:08,220didn't go out to eat down likeyo, yo, yes. Caching shuffle.74700:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,920DNS DNS, obviously. Yeah,74800:48:10,980 --> 00:48:16,740it clearly DNS. I wasted mytime. So then, I'm like, okay,74900:48:17,190 --> 00:48:21,600yeah, that's probably thenAlberto delays his pod things by75000:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,970like, two minutes. He's like,Nah, that's not it. Something's75100:48:23,970 --> 00:48:27,540wrong. And I go hunting, and Ifind that it's frozen, and like,75200:48:27,570 --> 00:48:32,490Oh, shoot. Okay. So I've beenvisiting.75300:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,810This is interesting. Let me justinterject. I follow the pod ping75400:48:36,810 --> 00:48:43,290stats bot, on podcast index dotsocial. And for weeks, I because75500:48:43,830 --> 00:48:46,800for some reason, I'm like, thepost count to me was just like a75600:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,580metric. So this thing willscroll by him and like 3.1, post75700:48:50,580 --> 00:48:54,9603.3, you know, per minute, it's,I don't even know what it means75800:48:54,960 --> 00:49:01,020post count is 20 704. And itsays in parentheses, 3.1 posts75900:49:01,020 --> 00:49:04,020per minute. And I always feltthat that gave me some kind of76000:49:04,020 --> 00:49:07,290impression of it's being usedmore. And for the past two,76100:49:07,290 --> 00:49:13,650three weeks, I recall distinctlike 22, five 2.1. That's much76200:49:13,650 --> 00:49:16,410lower than a year. I don't evenknow what it means. But now, I76300:49:16,410 --> 00:49:21,090just go to it right now. 5.1. Sothat's probably your cue is76400:49:21,090 --> 00:49:25,320getting getting. I mean, it's, Ithink that is are you looking at76500:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,720the chart? Like I know, I'mlooking at I'm looking at the76600:49:27,750 --> 00:49:31,470just the the the toots, theautomated post. Yeah, the76700:49:31,470 --> 00:49:35,370automated post. And I have afeeling that I could see that76800:49:35,370 --> 00:49:40,380happening. I just didn't knowwhat it was. Okay. It was76900:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,530probably processing less postsper minute, or is that just my77000:49:43,530 --> 00:49:45,870perception? It doesn't matter.No, no,77100:49:45,870 --> 00:49:48,240no, there's definitely lesscoming through for sure. Yeah,77200:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,300absolutely. And that and thatwas the case. And but because77300:49:51,300 --> 00:49:54,960there was some coming through. Idid yeah, I'm looking. I'm77400:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,150looking at it here on thesecharts and that you can see the77500:49:57,150 --> 00:49:59,760slowdown, because there was somecoming through. I just it just77600:49:59,760 --> 00:50:05,670didn't Register there's anythingwrong. And so yeah, and I went77700:50:05,670 --> 00:50:08,100for wasn't figured out what waswrong and look, I gotta fix77800:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,190this. But this has happenedbefore I've seen it do this77900:50:11,190 --> 00:50:17,580before. And turns out I was waybehind in in in the hive router78000:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,740has changed is changed hivelibraries, it doesn't even use78100:50:22,740 --> 00:50:26,610the same library anymore. AlexGates has done a lot of work on78200:50:26,610 --> 00:50:30,450it. And I was not current. SoI'm like, I don't want to fool78300:50:30,450 --> 00:50:34,350with this, but I gotta bite thebullet update these servers to78400:50:34,350 --> 00:50:35,760the most current version.78500:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,640Dave, I'm going to tell youright now that my Windows78600:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,840machine is about to crash. Oh,you can feel it coming. Yeah, it78700:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,050just did that whole thing again,that it did yesterday.78800:50:47,130 --> 00:50:56,520Now okay, we made it back.Unfortunately, I didn't record78900:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,980everything that was aspectacular blue screen of79000:50:58,980 --> 00:51:02,100death. Why don't you What do youwant to hear about it?79100:51:02,819 --> 00:51:05,099Why didn't you handle yoursystem thread exception is what79200:51:05,099 --> 00:51:06,719I wanted to discuss wasunhandled because79300:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,380I didn't like handling it. Butdid you see what it is? NDIS dot79400:51:10,380 --> 00:51:13,830sis. Is this like a networkingthing? Some networking resource?79500:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,310In India is I should know this79600:51:17,310 --> 00:51:18,960sounds like something lame.79700:51:20,580 --> 00:51:24,480India now that's a drive networkdriver. Interface Specification.79800:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,500Yes. network driver.79900:51:25,529 --> 00:51:28,439Yeah. Well, what are they doing?What's the problem?80000:51:30,030 --> 00:51:31,980I blame the road caster. Okay.80100:51:33,060 --> 00:51:37,290Perfect. All right. You weretalking about the broken pod80200:51:37,290 --> 00:51:38,310pain cloud watcher?80300:51:39,330 --> 00:51:47,430Oh, yeah. Yes, I was. Yeah, sothe pug the so I had to upgrade80400:51:47,430 --> 00:51:53,370it and get get to the newestversion. And I'm like, Okay,80500:51:53,370 --> 00:51:56,850well, if I'm gonna do this,let's just go Docker. And so80600:51:56,850 --> 00:52:00,570I've just put Docker did thefull upgrade on on all five80700:52:00,570 --> 00:52:06,210servers. Docker, latest DockerHub image is running on the80800:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,600running hive rider. Alex helpedme work through some networking80900:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,900issues. Docker is a littleconfusing sometimes. Because you81000:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,060your your Net ID, you have a netnetwork, the Docker, the the81100:52:18,060 --> 00:52:20,670private Docker network internalis not this is81200:52:20,700 --> 00:52:25,140yes, yes, I have. I have noticedthis. It's very, it's very81300:52:25,140 --> 00:52:28,440complicated for non non smartpeople.81400:52:30,630 --> 00:52:35,160Like me, it's complicated evenfor from smart people. We got to81500:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,520fix it. He anticipated thisissue. And we got it fixed. He81600:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,700had some environment variableswe could say. So it's up and81700:52:41,700 --> 00:52:46,200running. And now. So it in thatproblem is that problem was81800:52:46,200 --> 00:52:53,130solved. I'm keeping an eye onthings and I'm gonna. But so as81900:52:53,130 --> 00:52:55,440as going through this process ofwhich I should have done a82000:52:55,440 --> 00:53:03,210couple of months ago JohnSpurlock had sent a somebody had82100:53:03,210 --> 00:53:05,490posted something on the podcastindex and social the other day82200:53:05,490 --> 00:53:09,600saying that, you know, why don'tyou make it once you put an82300:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,760endpoint on the API for peoplethat have a rewrite key, so that82400:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,710they can send a pod pain throughthe API? And I think that's a82500:53:19,710 --> 00:53:20,790fantastic idea.82600:53:24,030 --> 00:53:27,540Yeah, it's a valid entry point,right?82700:53:28,260 --> 00:53:32,040Yeah. I mean, if you if you're aPA, if you have a publisher key,82800:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,900meaning you're a host, if youhave a publisher level82900:53:36,900 --> 00:53:41,580permission token, for the A forthe podcast, index API, why not83000:53:41,580 --> 00:53:43,800just make an endpoint where youcan send the piping that way?83100:53:43,830 --> 00:53:47,340Yeah. And you can do live, youknow, you can say do a live83200:53:47,340 --> 00:53:51,150piping through that. And I thinkthat's a fantastic idea. And83300:53:51,150 --> 00:53:54,330and, um, now that now that I'vegone through the process and83400:53:54,330 --> 00:53:54,960understand83500:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,500the reason why it will be great.Yes.83600:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,880Yes. And, and I know how to, Ican quickly get get that, that83700:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,260new duck, it's a duck arisedversion. What was odd is I've83800:54:07,260 --> 00:54:11,160never really interacted with aDocker image like this. So83900:54:11,190 --> 00:54:13,470typically, you think you know,when think Docker, you think of84000:54:13,470 --> 00:54:16,410long running processes day andnetwork like Damon's Oh,84100:54:16,410 --> 00:54:19,560yeah, think of these things allthe time. Yes, equally unclear84200:54:19,560 --> 00:54:20,100to you do.84300:54:21,420 --> 00:54:26,430And you think of serverservices. You can also interact84400:54:26,430 --> 00:54:29,940with it as a command lineutility. So you can run84500:54:29,970 --> 00:54:35,550something in a Docker, but callit like a command line, where it84600:54:35,550 --> 00:54:39,510just spins up, does the thingand then exit exit? Oh, that's84700:54:39,510 --> 00:54:41,490kind of cool. Yeah, it's prettycool.84800:54:41,490 --> 00:54:43,980And I didn't really, really bigshell script.84900:54:45,300 --> 00:54:52,440Very heavy ships. Right. Yeah.Yeah. And so that, I think I can85000:54:52,440 --> 00:54:59,100do that on the API side. Andthen, and then have a similar85100:54:59,100 --> 00:55:04,320thing and that's Cool becausethat would let that would let us85200:55:04,950 --> 00:55:08,700allow hosting companies to usethe API which they already have85300:55:08,700 --> 00:55:14,160keys for, to send livenotifications. They can record85400:55:14,490 --> 00:55:20,070they can short cut their, their,their travel their, their road85500:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,360to supporting live pod pingsusing something they're already85600:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,500familiar with. Was the API.Nice. This is now this is now85700:55:28,500 --> 00:55:29,700firmly on the roadmap85800:55:29,730 --> 00:55:31,440that was it is this is this apimp?85900:55:33,270 --> 00:55:34,950This is pimp one. Okay,86000:55:35,250 --> 00:55:40,200because I heard Sam Sethi hadwith Oberto, they had already86100:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,400claimed pimped to86200:55:42,450 --> 00:55:43,800what what was pent one,86300:55:44,220 --> 00:55:47,580whatever yours was they weredoing pimp to whatever you got86400:55:47,580 --> 00:55:48,330his pin one.86500:55:48,839 --> 00:55:52,889Okay, this is okay, this is likeGN us not Unix. This is a way86600:55:52,889 --> 00:55:57,929they call those a regretregresses acronym or no the86700:55:57,929 --> 00:56:02,609acronym contains itself. Yeswhat this is so pimp pimp one is86800:56:02,609 --> 00:56:04,319the is the proposal86900:56:04,830 --> 00:56:09,450is the pimp system. Okay, sothen they are pimp two and87000:56:09,450 --> 00:56:13,050three. This is pin three. Okay.Podcast improvement movement.87100:56:13,620 --> 00:56:14,340Proposal.87200:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,950No, no, no, I've got I've gotit. I figured it out this week.87300:56:16,950 --> 00:56:20,820It just hit me like a ton ofbricks. It is the proposal to87400:56:20,820 --> 00:56:22,140improve podcasting.87500:56:22,170 --> 00:56:26,910Oh, perfect. Yeah, proposal toimprove podcasting. Love it.87600:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,960Yep. This Yep. Okay, so pinthree is now87700:56:31,020 --> 00:56:35,040that do we have a pimp system?Not yet. Right. In87800:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,630my heart. I do. Okay. At heart,I'm a pimp.87900:56:40,050 --> 00:56:42,930You're the Huggy Bear ofpodcasting development that you88000:56:42,930 --> 00:56:43,740get there, right?88100:56:44,850 --> 00:56:49,110Yeah, so that's this, the factthat your computer blue screen88200:56:49,110 --> 00:56:54,480today is the perfectaccoutrement to the entire week88300:56:54,510 --> 00:56:57,240of software disasters. I mean,it's just perfect.88400:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,600It has something to do withastrology, I'm convinced.88500:57:02,220 --> 00:57:04,680Is a Venus in the orbit of Yeah.Do88600:57:05,250 --> 00:57:10,230you know? What's a cold fan? Healso he also boosts us from time88700:57:10,230 --> 00:57:11,640to time. T does88800:57:11,730 --> 00:57:14,730he behind the scheme's? No, no,no, no, no,88900:57:14,940 --> 00:57:20,100I don't think so. No. Tarotcards. Oh, okay. Yeah, then that89000:57:20,100 --> 00:57:24,030must be blueberry blueberry. No,it's a cult fan. I will call not89100:57:24,030 --> 00:57:28,800blueberry now a cold fan? No.And he sends my I love it when89200:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,280people draw my chart and they'llsend it to me and like, and this89300:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,060and this and Uranus and Mars andVenus and Jupiter and the sun89400:57:36,060 --> 00:57:39,420and your moon is in Leo moon.But they never say if it's good89500:57:39,420 --> 00:57:43,620or bad. It sounds like this iswhat's happening. Like, well,89600:57:43,620 --> 00:57:46,920that's great. Should I beworried about getting shots? Or89700:57:46,950 --> 00:57:49,740am I gonna win the lotto? Andit's well, you know, I don't89800:57:49,740 --> 00:57:50,460know, but89900:57:52,380 --> 00:57:53,610depends on your point of view.90000:57:55,350 --> 00:57:59,040I do feel that all computers aremade of sand. Basically, Silica90100:57:59,610 --> 00:58:02,460is silicon. So you know, thereis not there are natural90200:58:02,490 --> 00:58:04,680elements in them. And I'vealways felt that you know,90300:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,760that's manipulable by thevibrations of the of the user.90400:58:10,260 --> 00:58:13,140Please note, I was bitching andsaying I'm moving to Linux and90500:58:13,140 --> 00:58:15,900then what is my machine do?Hello? You telling me it doesn't90600:58:15,900 --> 00:58:16,770have a conscience?90700:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,320Oh, yeah, it said it said Oh,yeah.90800:58:20,250 --> 00:58:27,120lol really? Watch this. We'vebeen getting a lot of live90900:58:27,120 --> 00:58:32,190booster rounds. We run through afew. Based upon the crash I had91000:58:32,220 --> 00:58:35,940floydian slips. 2222 Adam was apioneer in the podcasting91100:58:35,940 --> 00:58:38,970industry. You're going to misshis hair. He is survived by a91200:58:38,970 --> 00:58:44,010slew of podcast co hosts cohosts and just as many wives fu91300:58:44,010 --> 00:58:47,760floor the RIP pod father Daveshould have held your hand91400:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,950tighter unfortunately no one wedidn't catch that on the91500:58:49,950 --> 00:58:53,190recording. It was like a titanicmoment as my blue screen had me91600:58:53,190 --> 00:58:54,030slipping away.91700:58:56,130 --> 00:59:00,120You dropped in you dropped intothe into the ravine three is not91800:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,840getting hold you91900:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,9503000 from Sakai, the horse. Adamand Dave after a year of92000:59:04,950 --> 00:59:08,040listening to this podcast, Idecided to get a new podcast app92100:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,800join the funnest since the Toshithank you for your guys hard92200:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,260work keeping the podcast freeand open everyone there you go92300:59:13,260 --> 00:59:16,380brand new. Brand new SATstreamer. Thank you92400:59:16,410 --> 00:59:19,920took a year. I'm really bad atmy job. Uh, Chris,92500:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,210you know 3000 plus one for raspyblitz so far, it's been quite92600:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,660smooth compared to that Umbralstory. I can tell you my raspy92700:59:27,660 --> 00:59:30,840bliss story if you want I've hadupgrade issues with raspy blitz92800:59:30,870 --> 00:59:41,430big time. Well, here we are MikeNewman 1010100 101,010 SATs92900:59:41,430 --> 00:59:44,760binary boosts looking forward totrying out John Spurlock's93000:59:44,760 --> 00:59:52,110thread dot land go podcastpodcast Yeah, this is should we93100:59:52,110 --> 00:59:53,070talk about that for a second?93200:59:53,490 --> 00:59:56,550Yeah, let's do it. I was had putit in the show notes. Yeah, I93300:59:56,550 --> 00:59:58,020also had the show notes.93400:59:58,620 --> 01:00:02,370I tried to get John on But Idon't think he saw my, I don't93501:00:02,370 --> 01:00:06,000think he saw my message to himin time. It was very late in the93601:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,160game, because I wanted to talkabout it. I mean, I think I93701:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,360think this is fantastic. He's,he's essentially created a93801:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,290service, a headless service, ifyou want to call it that, where93901:00:19,290 --> 01:00:25,260you can just go and get a prefixfor your, your, for your feed94001:00:25,290 --> 01:00:28,590for your podcast. And thenanytime you need, you can just94101:00:28,590 --> 01:00:32,820throw a value on the end of thatprefix. And it just auto94201:00:32,820 --> 01:00:39,240generates a activity pub routeURL for you to put into your94301:00:39,300 --> 01:00:45,000into your items. Really, and,and it doesn't actually, I may94401:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,500be wrong. This is one of thereasons I want to get them in.94501:00:46,500 --> 01:00:49,440But my understanding of the waythat is worded is that it94601:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,960doesn't actually create thepost, or no activity happens94701:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,370until the first comment.94801:00:57,660 --> 01:01:01,170Ah, wow, this I just, I justtyped in a URL was like, holy94901:01:01,170 --> 01:01:02,550crap that works nicely.95001:01:03,390 --> 01:01:08,100Yeah. I think it I think it'sjust basically activity pub.95101:01:08,520 --> 01:01:14,130objects on demand. Nice, whichis kind of killer,95201:01:14,610 --> 01:01:15,360Joe.95301:01:16,830 --> 01:01:21,060I mean, I'm not sure anybody'sdone. I may be wrong, but I'm95401:01:21,060 --> 01:01:26,910not sure anybody's done.Activity pub to this level of95501:01:27,180 --> 01:01:31,410deinem dynamicity. Time dynamicbonus.95601:01:32,700 --> 01:01:35,850Now I just tried to do our feed,will that not work because of a95701:01:35,850 --> 01:01:36,540redirect?95801:01:37,770 --> 01:01:40,650They should we if you get yougotta get the prefix. Did you95901:01:40,650 --> 01:01:41,640get the prefix? No, I96001:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,540just typed in the feed. Andlisten, man, I'm really good at96101:01:45,540 --> 01:01:47,820breaking stuff. I just wanteveryone to understand that this96201:01:47,820 --> 01:01:53,880is what I do. It is. Let me see.I mean, if you if you just go96301:01:53,880 --> 01:01:59,610there to thread dot land andwhat is our what is our feed 2696401:01:59,610 --> 01:02:03,000is now what is our feed address?What does what feed addressing96501:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,030says find your podcast? I'lljust find your podcasts. I'm96601:02:06,030 --> 01:02:07,080gonna try this pod.96701:02:07,410 --> 01:02:08,670Yeah, type in podcast.96801:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,400She does a search right there.Are you kidding me? Man, we96901:02:14,400 --> 01:02:21,300still do some amazing shit here.to Florida. What are you97001:02:21,300 --> 01:02:25,350laughing? We build some amazingshit. Alright, so there's our97101:02:25,350 --> 01:02:28,050prefix. Okay, I got that. Andthen what do I do for each97201:02:28,050 --> 01:02:31,140episode? You want to enablecomments and your RSS feed uses97301:02:31,140 --> 01:02:37,590prefix and a unique suffix. Sothat would be I do like, PC two?97401:02:37,590 --> 01:02:40,290Oh, 95. Right.97501:02:40,770 --> 01:02:43,230Or not? Yeah. Yeah, that soundsthat sounds great. And97601:02:43,230 --> 01:02:46,620that's and it's and he saysthat's it? That's yeah, that's97701:02:46,620 --> 01:02:46,890it.97801:02:47,700 --> 01:02:52,980And it creates the activity pubobject. When? When nothing when97901:02:52,980 --> 01:02:54,990the first reply happens. So98001:02:54,990 --> 01:02:59,400should we use it for even thoughyou usually do the thing on? Now98101:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,500let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah,let's use it for this one. I'd98201:03:01,500 --> 01:03:02,190like that.98301:03:02,610 --> 01:03:07,230Okay, so he says kind ofimportant note. This service is98401:03:07,230 --> 01:03:11,040still in development and doesn'tactually work yet. So don't make98501:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,800any real feed changes. I'mmaking it available pre initial98601:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,860launch to engage engagements. Ithink it does work. I think he's98701:03:16,860 --> 01:03:19,410just setting expectations.98801:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,700Okay, so I have this prefix andthen slash and then I do I'll98901:03:23,700 --> 01:03:27,780just do 95 Just to make itsimple. Okay, that makes sense.99001:03:27,810 --> 01:03:32,550Okay. Yeah. All right, cool.Well, that that kind of solves99101:03:32,550 --> 01:03:35,430everything, doesn't it? Or itsolves a lot gets a lot of99201:03:35,430 --> 01:03:36,240things started.99301:03:37,770 --> 01:03:40,740And he says, if you'reinterested in using this service99401:03:40,740 --> 01:03:43,560for your podcast, DM me onTwitter or Mastodon with your99501:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,460prefix URL above, and I'll addyou to the early access list.99601:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,800Probably shouldn't better dothat. Okay. Wait, does your no99701:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,460let's go ahead and do it. Now.What is your disk prefix you99801:03:56,460 --> 01:03:59,640show? Is it seven G O P six? LCYes, sir.99901:04:00,450 --> 01:04:00,810All right.100001:04:00,900 --> 01:04:03,180I'm gonna send that to John aswe speak.100101:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,380Okay. All right. We're gettingwe're getting connected here.100201:04:08,220 --> 01:04:12,360Yeah, I mean, this is this is,this is dog food. We're gonna100301:04:12,390 --> 01:04:14,910eat it. Say Hey, John.100401:04:16,710 --> 01:04:19,890I'll continue with some of theseboosts that came in while you're100501:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,140dictating your note. Yeah, as aC Brooklyn 111 to 5000100601:04:25,140 --> 01:04:31,620sharpening those scissorsindeed. Thank you. Let's see we100701:04:31,620 --> 01:04:42,930have pre blueberry 17,776 Urgentthis boost is racist. All right,100801:04:42,930 --> 01:04:49,860thanks. Called acid 20,003 33posts troubleshooting boost for100901:04:49,860 --> 01:04:52,29095. Yeah, these people are sonice to hanging while you're101001:04:52,290 --> 01:04:57,240doing all that crap. Crimsondeer 10,001 Breeze boosts This101101:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,840is nice. Thank you all. Thankyou fellows and ladies And101201:05:00,840 --> 01:05:09,960there's hard hat with the withthe testing 111 1111 And I think101301:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,050that's Oh no we had blueberrycome in with a super row of101401:05:16,050 --> 01:05:22,770ducks 22,222 st oh my goodnesspay tar is a confirmed known101501:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,910goat slaughtering maniac oh Iguess I guess it would yeah this101601:05:26,910 --> 01:05:30,270is that you know those peopleare crazy blueberry and all101701:05:30,270 --> 01:05:34,350these these these guys go nutswith their with their live shows101801:05:35,700 --> 01:05:39,360he murdered approximately 15goats and boosted the GIMP live101901:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,720in the greenroom last week seethis code here? Producers were102001:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,810doing drugs just to cope whileAlex Jones was shouting yay in102101:05:45,810 --> 01:05:48,690the background what a mess we'regonna need a black light boost102201:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,410get this cleaned up. So whatthere this is, from what I102301:05:52,410 --> 01:05:59,220understand this is the this isthe the bot they had set up so102401:05:59,220 --> 01:06:03,870people could fire off their own.That heli pad sounds with a102501:06:03,870 --> 01:06:07,890boost. I mean the idea is reallycool. I like it a lot.102601:06:08,910 --> 01:06:12,600He clarified later and said thatit has you can fire off sounds102701:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,760but it has to be approved soundsthat they102801:06:15,029 --> 01:06:17,429that yeah, they have to put itin beforehand. Sure that makes102901:06:17,429 --> 01:06:18,569sense. Because103001:06:19,290 --> 01:06:24,780I'm thinking if you want to gofull on scissor nuts go you just103101:06:24,780 --> 01:06:29,520drop it you say Okay, put a URLto an mp3 in your boost and103201:06:29,700 --> 01:06:32,160that's where it gets triggeredand dad is now103301:06:32,190 --> 01:06:34,830I've had a sign I have someexperience with this103401:06:36,330 --> 01:06:37,050bar Friday.103501:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,410Yeah, and and what I said what Ihad I was using early Dropbox I103601:06:43,410 --> 01:06:45,990said hey, here's my Dropbox,just put something in there and103701:06:45,990 --> 01:06:49,530then I'll play it which wasgreat. Which was great until103801:06:49,530 --> 01:06:53,040every single drop box I had wasfilled because of course I was103901:06:53,040 --> 01:06:59,700like look here's these 15 PinkFloyd albums so if what you're104001:06:59,700 --> 01:07:02,040gonna wear you're gonna have asyou're gonna have someone firing104101:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,610it up and you're gonna have a 20minute song running so yeah,104201:07:06,540 --> 01:07:08,850that always works in verylimited flavors.104301:07:10,830 --> 01:07:17,280Unlimited flavors Yeah, so thatI love the I love the idea of104401:07:17,310 --> 01:07:20,520here's what I like about thisconceptually about what John did104501:07:22,890 --> 01:07:29,100is very similar to what whatAlex is doing with with no104601:07:29,100 --> 01:07:34,680agenda tube and and what Andylayman is doing with with his104701:07:35,040 --> 01:07:43,350vape with his podcasting 2.0WordPress plugin and like the104801:07:43,350 --> 01:07:48,360way Allah this this is whathappens when you like it's one104901:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,910thing to have an idea we can allwe all have ideas but that that105001:07:53,910 --> 01:08:00,540doesn't mean yea have your ideabut he put some meat on those105101:08:00,540 --> 01:08:04,350bones like actually makesomething that somebody can use105201:08:05,130 --> 01:08:09,570that because if you don't andand brown brown of London with105301:08:09,600 --> 01:08:14,160with with the highs with thehighs, machine and like and pod105401:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,720pink, go don't just come up withan idea come up with an idea and105501:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,170then and then put some flesh onit. So that it's it's105601:08:22,170 --> 01:08:26,760functional. Because that's thedifference between Okay, let me105701:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,470compare the compare pod pingpong just take it taking popping105801:08:31,470 --> 01:08:35,580and random ninja netlist, let'sscrap that take social interact105901:08:35,580 --> 01:08:41,760tag and thread land. Comparethat to something like pod Pass,106001:08:42,090 --> 01:08:46,590which was developed as a homepod pass. Okay, yeah, pod pass,106101:08:46,590 --> 01:08:49,950we've talked about before it wasdeveloped as a protocol, a106201:08:49,950 --> 01:08:55,740protocol proposal for how toenter for how apps can do106301:08:56,100 --> 01:08:59,070subscription can confirm thatthey're subscribed to a private106401:08:59,070 --> 01:09:05,130feed. Or it can subscribe to asubscription level feed in in an106501:09:05,130 --> 01:09:07,710open way. It's a nice, it's anice design. It's pretty cool.106601:09:08,280 --> 01:09:15,990It was proposed and a few yearsago before the pandemic, but it106701:09:15,990 --> 01:09:19,290was just a spec sheet. Like itwas just a spec as a spec106801:09:19,290 --> 01:09:24,870protocol, right. There was neverany software that showed it106901:09:24,870 --> 01:09:29,010running, showed it doing what itwas supposed to do. Allow people107001:09:29,010 --> 01:09:33,510to hook into it and sandbox itand play with it. Like if you107101:09:33,510 --> 01:09:38,460don't, this is why podcasts.This is another reason why107201:09:38,460 --> 01:09:44,070podcasting has tended tostagnate is because lots of107301:09:44,070 --> 01:09:48,120people have great ideas. Butnobody's actually writing usable107401:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,830code that can help people getfrom the concept to the finished107501:09:52,830 --> 01:09:55,050product. Well, everybody's busy.107601:09:55,110 --> 01:09:58,350I would say this is what hampershumanity in general Dave,107701:09:58,350 --> 01:10:01,290everybody has great ideas. Butit always comes down to107801:10:01,290 --> 01:10:02,100execution.107901:10:02,670 --> 01:10:06,540Yeah, true. And we've got tohate the ideas guy, you know?108001:10:06,810 --> 01:10:09,840So we've got a lot ofexecutioner's. I like it. We've108101:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,730got people podcasting. 2.0executioner's. Hail the108201:10:14,730 --> 01:10:21,990executioner's they. Theyabsolutely execute. That's the108301:10:21,990 --> 01:10:25,590same with what is that new art?Wasn't there some media RSS? No.108401:10:25,590 --> 01:10:27,750Or was it the one with the math?108501:10:30,120 --> 01:10:35,580The one with the math. RSS.3.00. Yeah. RSS 3.0. You bring108601:10:35,580 --> 01:10:39,360your own. You have to have aslide rule and a copy of Wolfram108701:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,850Alpha to write a podcast feed.108801:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,530Yeah. Yeah.108901:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,480I don't think I've mentionedthat the other day.109001:10:45,510 --> 01:10:47,880I don't think I've seen one ofthose in the wild yet either.109101:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,470You never will. That's yeah,that's the problem. You'll never109201:10:52,470 --> 01:10:54,030see one of those things in theworld. By the109301:10:54,030 --> 01:10:56,940way. I'm gonna watch it tonight.Since Tina and I are both kind109401:10:56,940 --> 01:11:03,270of icky mood. Anyway, it isDanny Kaye a song is born. Oh,109501:11:03,330 --> 01:11:09,120is the name of the movie it is.Danny Kaye Houma. I'm gonna109601:11:09,120 --> 01:11:17,250second will that play with hergangster? Benny Goodman, the109701:11:17,250 --> 01:11:21,660whale of Benny Goodmansclarinet. The whale I like to109801:11:21,810 --> 01:11:27,120moan of Tommy Dorsey's trombone.I'm reading the titles. The shit109901:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,720they were saying the Mon thecall of Louis Armstrong's110001:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,750trumpet. Anyway, with theirgangster boyfriend under110101:11:33,750 --> 01:11:37,200investigation by the police, anightclub singer hides out in a110201:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,340musical research institutionstaffed by bachelor professors.110301:11:41,550 --> 01:11:46,410What could possibly go wrong?One of whom begins to fall for110401:11:46,410 --> 01:11:47,670her. Yeah, that see.110501:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,080innuendo? No. Yes. In the 50sIt's,110601:11:52,560 --> 01:11:58,800it's it's borderline blackfacemovie this 19 That's no good.110701:11:58,830 --> 01:12:01,740Yeah. 1948 48110801:12:01,740 --> 01:12:03,150I didn't realize Danny Kaye wentback that110901:12:03,150 --> 01:12:07,800far. I think so. Yeah. The 48.Yeah. You know, he's down. He111001:12:07,800 --> 01:12:13,500must have been young. He knows.Did you know he's dead? Yeah.111101:12:13,980 --> 01:12:21,870He's buried in Danny case, too.I don't know. Kevin rook, have111201:12:21,870 --> 01:12:23,220you been listening to hispodcast?111301:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,470I started listening to. I'vebeen on his podcast. I've111401:12:28,470 --> 01:12:31,110listened to several of hisepisodes. And I recently went111501:12:31,110 --> 01:12:38,070back and about halfway throughthe Paul E. Toy Interview.111601:12:38,849 --> 01:12:42,299Interview. Yes, great interview.It really helped me understand111701:12:42,299 --> 01:12:43,649Paul a little bit better. Ithink.111801:12:45,630 --> 01:12:48,330Your view basically nothingchanged. Their mission has111901:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,420always been the same. They juststopped the non profitable112001:12:51,420 --> 01:12:55,320podcasting stuff. Yeah, right.Honestly, that's, that's all112101:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,960that's what it was. Yeah, that'sfine. I mean, he has a real112201:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,890company that does real stuff.And, and the entire sphinx chat112301:13:01,890 --> 01:13:06,510and the and the integration, theinterrupt we did was112401:13:06,540 --> 01:13:11,550instrumental is one who is whatgot this all kickin, basically112501:13:11,700 --> 01:13:12,900the the value for values.112601:13:14,580 --> 01:13:18,450And I guess I liked it, too,because he, he, he described his112701:13:18,450 --> 01:13:23,820interaction with lightning, in,in a very sort of blue collar112801:13:23,820 --> 01:13:28,110utilitarian way. He's like, he'slike, wait, you know, all the112901:13:28,110 --> 01:13:30,900things we've done with lightninghave been purely in service of a113001:13:30,900 --> 01:13:35,730mission of an of a larger goal,which was the stack work thing113101:13:35,730 --> 01:13:38,640and that kind of thing? In itkind of relates back to what we113201:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,940were saying just a second agowith don't just have an idea.113301:13:41,970 --> 01:13:45,990Have some have some? Give itfeet? Yeah. Because when you113401:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,600like, the same, our interactionwith lightning is also very113501:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,750utilitarian and very bluecollar. I mean, we need to get113601:13:56,490 --> 01:13:58,050we need to get a job done.113701:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,350Yeah, we need to scream themSATs, we need to write those113801:14:01,350 --> 01:14:02,370SATs everywhere.113901:14:04,560 --> 01:14:10,410And it allows us to spray them.And that's, but I think I think114001:14:10,410 --> 01:14:14,760that's a fine. I think that's afine position to have. And it114101:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,850may it makes a lot of sense forthem. Because you're gonna go114201:14:17,850 --> 01:14:21,480through phases where it's like,well, I mean, I am the job is114301:14:21,480 --> 01:14:25,020not to be the you know, thechampion of of a thing the job114401:14:25,020 --> 01:14:30,450is to, is to improve the thingis to improve the thing in on in114501:14:30,450 --> 01:14:32,490but on behalf of the largergoal.114601:14:32,670 --> 01:14:36,420And also, I mean, I apologize,we basically ran them into the114701:14:36,420 --> 01:14:39,810ground on that, you know, whenwe broke we broke their self114801:14:39,810 --> 01:14:42,090well, who will not there's notnecessarily their software, but114901:14:42,090 --> 01:14:44,760the concept of everybody getstheir own node and you don't115001:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,340have to worry about your channelmanagement. And that was115101:14:47,340 --> 01:14:52,380impossible because it wasn'tjust here's the sat here sat115201:14:52,380 --> 01:14:55,290there. 20 SATs for this. No,it's like boom booths,115301:14:55,290 --> 01:14:58,530everything going on, and it wasjust too much. It was way too115401:14:58,530 --> 01:14:59,040much.115501:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,020Yeah, it broke that system.Yeah. Yeah, the distributed node115601:15:04,020 --> 01:15:08,490model thing. Yeah. Yeah. But thereason I brought up Kevin Brooks115701:15:08,490 --> 01:15:11,820because he had an interview withChristian Decker, that's a very115801:15:11,820 --> 01:15:17,040good interview, because he talksabout a lot of what brought it115901:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,010up, as Brian of London wasmentioning a lot of things, a116001:15:20,010 --> 01:15:23,160lot of problematic things withlighten lightnings frustrating116101:15:23,160 --> 01:15:28,410things that he this week, that'sworth going and listening to the116201:15:28,410 --> 01:15:31,770interview, because he talksabout, I mean, these are known116301:15:31,770 --> 01:15:37,050issues, the problem that fixesare in the works for one, one of116401:15:37,050 --> 01:15:43,410the things is, is liquidityoffers, and how you can just as116501:15:43,410 --> 01:15:46,590part of, as part of the standardlightning gossip, you'll be able116601:15:46,590 --> 01:15:51,600to, to announce the offer ofliquidity. And that will be116701:15:51,600 --> 01:15:57,390negotiated. Like, in in, in thesoftware in the notes, software.116801:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,410And then you can just, you know,bring up bring up some liquidity116901:16:01,410 --> 01:16:04,920when you need it without havingto go through loop or pool or117001:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,180any of these sort of liquidityservice providers. Because that117101:16:09,210 --> 01:16:11,370I think that's a real fear outthere is that there's going to,117201:16:12,060 --> 01:16:14,580you know, everything's gonna getconcentrated in the hands of117301:16:14,580 --> 01:16:19,080sort of these big liquidityproviders. And this is a way to117401:16:19,290 --> 01:16:22,080combat that. And it makes itmore efficient to because you117501:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,810just always would have theseoffers floating around the117601:16:24,810 --> 01:16:28,590network for liquidity. And youjust, you know, you,117701:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,060programmatically or Softwarewise negotiating the acceptance117801:16:33,060 --> 01:16:35,280of an offer, and then you gottachannel and you may have117901:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,600somebody who's that, that allowssmall players to participate in118001:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,580that game as well, to offerliquidity instead of everybody118101:16:44,580 --> 01:16:48,750just defaulting because youdon't want you don't want118201:16:48,750 --> 01:16:52,950somebody to become the YouTubeof liquidity. You know, or the118301:16:52,950 --> 01:16:56,430Google of lightning liquidity.You want it to be democratized.118401:16:56,430 --> 01:17:00,630And you want small, somebodythat just has $1,000 on their,118501:17:01,050 --> 01:17:03,840on their node, you want them tobe able to also offer liquidity118601:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,250services at at cheaper rates asa competition to the big guys.118701:17:08,370 --> 01:17:08,730Well, what's118801:17:08,730 --> 01:17:12,510interesting is that many ofthese liquidity type services118901:17:12,540 --> 01:17:16,410are brokered by centralizedplayers. This is what lightning119001:17:16,410 --> 01:17:19,770labs tried to do with pool whichI never quite understood just119101:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,110never is it really which whichinterview wasn't119201:17:23,970 --> 01:17:25,080Christian Decker119301:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,180Christian, is that an older one?119401:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,850And those recent, recent, he'sthe guy from green light. Yeah,119501:17:32,850 --> 01:17:34,170no block stream? Yeah,119601:17:34,230 --> 01:17:37,740I'll have I'll have to look.It's not on this page yet. Okay.119701:17:38,400 --> 01:17:43,200Well, you know, what I, first ofall, the Lightning Network.119801:17:44,580 --> 01:17:47,040There's so many private channelsthat we have no idea what's119901:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,970going on. And in its massive,massive, massive amount that's120001:17:50,970 --> 01:17:54,900just for, for a traders movingshit back and forth real quick.120101:17:56,940 --> 01:18:02,010What I like about the LightningNetwork is, you know, we have120201:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,780over 140 small channelsconnected to the podcast index120301:18:06,780 --> 01:18:09,540node, and we route prettyefficiently for what we're120401:18:09,540 --> 01:18:14,550doing. It's not, you know,people need to be able to get120501:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,590stats into their wallet, and tothe podcaster. And because we're120601:18:19,590 --> 01:18:23,940part of a hub system, there'smany other players who provide120701:18:25,380 --> 01:18:30,990provide connectivity andliquidity. You know, I, for some120801:18:30,990 --> 01:18:34,020reason, it doesn't, it's neverfelt. It's like the Internet to120901:18:34,020 --> 01:18:37,440me, you know, it's like, do, webasically have our own public121001:18:37,440 --> 01:18:41,430private network, where most ofour shit traverses over our121101:18:41,430 --> 01:18:44,520pipes, but it can go anywhereelse, and anywhere anyone else121201:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,050can come in. I've never seen itas this network where everyone121301:18:49,050 --> 01:18:53,100has to do a certain thing, oryou have to have big liquidity.121401:18:53,610 --> 01:18:56,130I don't know. It's just you andI could just have a channel121501:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,770between us and just be sendingstuff. That's kind of the appeal121601:18:58,770 --> 01:19:02,250to me is I don't feel like I'mleft out or I'm not a player121701:19:02,250 --> 01:19:05,700because I don't have 100 Bitcoinon a channel.121801:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,610That feels the same way. Yeah, Ifeel the same way. I felt the121901:19:08,610 --> 01:19:10,590entry points are small. Yeah.And.122001:19:12,330 --> 01:19:15,810And, you know, the same holdstrue is what you were saying122101:19:15,810 --> 01:19:18,000like lots of people like hey,man, you should do this with122201:19:18,000 --> 01:19:18,420eath.122301:19:19,500 --> 01:19:20,370Yeah.122401:19:21,510 --> 01:19:24,630Oh, no. Hey, look, here's thespec. Go ahead and do it. Okay.122501:19:25,230 --> 01:19:28,350Crickets. They don't ever do it.No, they never never never do122601:19:28,350 --> 01:19:28,530it.122701:19:29,070 --> 01:19:32,010Hey, Brian Brown of London didit. He didn't. Nobody used him122801:19:32,010 --> 01:19:36,960but he sure did. He sure did. SoI mean, given give that guy all122901:19:36,960 --> 01:19:37,680the kudos.123001:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,320Do you have any clips you wantto play? Because I've seen these123101:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,610for a couple shows. Now.123201:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,030I've been dragging these guysdon't123301:19:45,030 --> 01:19:46,740bring them next week if youdon't want to play?123401:19:47,850 --> 01:19:49,470Yeah, they're bothering you.123501:19:49,830 --> 01:19:52,830Well, I just feel bad. They'rein the well, you know, it's like123601:19:52,830 --> 01:19:55,920the like little childrendrowning in this well for weeks.123701:19:57,060 --> 01:19:58,680Probably nothing, nothing youwant to123801:19:59,250 --> 01:20:03,540know. Do you A hit the Volckerone. That's a fun one. Volcker.123901:20:04,110 --> 01:20:05,430Oh, yeah.124001:20:05,490 --> 01:20:07,080I mean, Paul is this PaulVolcker?124101:20:07,500 --> 01:20:09,690Yeah. Paul Volcker. So Sohere's, you know, I've been124201:20:09,690 --> 01:20:10,680reading this book,124301:20:11,759 --> 01:20:14,699the former Fed Chairman PaulVolcker. Yeah. former124401:20:14,700 --> 01:20:17,910Fed chairman, former and he, inthe end, he's talking about this124501:20:17,910 --> 01:20:21,360book in there. And what's thesecrets of the temple is the124601:20:21,360 --> 01:20:27,390name of this book. And it'swritten by Grider. William124701:20:27,390 --> 01:20:30,900Greider, is that the guy's name?I'm gonna have to look this up.124801:20:30,900 --> 01:20:37,020So great. Greater. Yeah. Williamgreeter, I guess it says, the124901:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,560psyche died in 2019. It's anolder book. I think it's from125001:20:40,560 --> 01:20:49,110maybe the late 90s. But it'sabout the Volcker fed. And in125101:20:49,110 --> 01:20:53,670during the Jimmy Carter,starting Jimmy Carter, Ronald125201:20:53,670 --> 01:20:55,710Reagan era where he raised theinterest rate125301:20:55,710 --> 01:20:56,550to 20%.125401:20:57,030 --> 01:21:02,580Yes. And so. It it's a big book,let me I think it's like 800125501:21:02,580 --> 01:21:06,840pages. It's a myth. It's amonster. But it's a dip into it125601:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,900every night. I'm making my waythrough it. And it is. It is125701:21:10,380 --> 01:21:15,750very, very good. It goes, hetakes a super deep dive this he125801:21:15,750 --> 01:21:18,030wrote for The Washington Postback when the Washington Post125901:21:18,030 --> 01:21:25,860actually did real journalism.He. So he dives into what126001:21:25,890 --> 01:21:32,880happened to sort of kick off the70s inflation problem, late 70s126101:21:32,880 --> 01:21:37,350inflation problem, and then howit like step by step, the126201:21:37,350 --> 01:21:42,480different people involved, howthey came to power, what they126301:21:42,480 --> 01:21:49,170did, all along the way to combatthe problem. And hit this is126401:21:49,170 --> 01:21:52,020what he's talking about in theclip. Yeah, well, a lot of126501:21:52,020 --> 01:21:57,540times, they take it as a measureof their valor, of how much pain126601:21:57,540 --> 01:22:00,180they're willing to inflict forthe greater good and that kind126701:22:00,180 --> 01:22:03,090of thing. That's how they knowthey're doing the right thing,126801:22:03,330 --> 01:22:08,190and how under Volker it wasmurder, how he forced a126901:22:08,190 --> 01:22:11,070depression on the Americanpeople, which he did, it was the127001:22:11,070 --> 01:22:13,590only way to defeat inflationwhich his predecessors had127101:22:13,590 --> 01:22:18,510caused. And now here, he camein, to lick inflation. But that127201:22:18,510 --> 01:22:22,590did mean bankruptcies all acrossthe land by people who weren't127301:22:22,590 --> 01:22:26,370guilty enough and but who justgot caught up in the monetary127401:22:26,370 --> 01:22:30,870policy of their overlords mightas well be a million miles away.127501:22:31,110 --> 01:22:36,270And they kept statistics of howmany bankruptcies, you know,127601:22:36,270 --> 01:22:39,990personal and business, how manydivorces how much foster care127701:22:40,020 --> 01:22:43,350how much whatever statisticsthat you can measure. So, you127801:22:43,350 --> 01:22:46,710know, church attendance orwhatever, however, you measure127901:22:46,740 --> 01:22:50,160social crises, they measure itat the Fed, they count those128001:22:50,160 --> 01:22:55,620beans. And then they would say,you know, good for you, Jenkins,128101:22:55,620 --> 01:22:58,710that you're willing to hangtough on this policy for another128201:22:58,710 --> 01:22:59,910little while longer.128301:23:01,380 --> 01:23:03,000Yeah, that's a real recession.128401:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,710Yeah. And then they would, theywould say, Okay, this is, this128501:23:07,710 --> 01:23:10,500is how bad it's getting. Andthey would turn the turn the128601:23:10,500 --> 01:23:13,770dials according to how much painwas going on in the economy less128701:23:13,770 --> 01:23:18,660sick, absolutely sick. And thenin the congratulatory note of,128801:23:18,660 --> 01:23:18,960you know,128901:23:19,050 --> 01:23:25,380well done. Job well done. Well,you know, so what we said, it's129001:23:25,380 --> 01:23:32,970so moronic, the response we seenow. First of all, word, and you129101:23:32,970 --> 01:23:36,000know what, now, we've redefinedthe wiki, they literally129201:23:36,030 --> 01:23:40,080redefined the technicaldefinition of a recession on129301:23:40,080 --> 01:23:44,340Wikipedia and locked down thepage. Are you serious? Yeah. Cuz129401:23:44,340 --> 01:23:48,840it used to be to, you know, twonegative quarters in a row of129501:23:48,840 --> 01:23:53,160GDP, to negative growth. And,and so now that's changed to129601:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,350including all these otherthings, you know, it's not129701:23:55,350 --> 01:23:58,710really that and then I justlocked it down. You can't edit129801:23:58,710 --> 01:24:03,300anymore. Oh, it's controversial.But But forget that we have the129901:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,190inflation Reduction Act. This isbrilliant. This is the thing130001:24:08,190 --> 01:24:10,320that mentioned, just signed onto130101:24:10,890 --> 01:24:13,140Oh, I saw this past today,right? Yeah. So it's130201:24:13,140 --> 01:24:19,710$369 billion to reduce theinflation, you see. Because,130301:24:20,700 --> 01:24:26,910yeah, sure. Because this willfix everything is like, okay, is130401:24:28,170 --> 01:24:32,190the pain the pet? Yes, that painof the 70s, which you probably130501:24:32,190 --> 01:24:33,300don't remember any of that.130601:24:34,230 --> 01:24:37,620That was born in 76. So I was alittle younger, but, but I do130701:24:37,620 --> 01:24:40,110distinctly here's what Idistinctly remember from that130801:24:40,110 --> 01:24:47,610era. I remember my dad havinghaving job after job after job130901:24:47,610 --> 01:24:51,120after job. He was. I mean, hecould not keep a job for longer131001:24:51,120 --> 01:24:55,050than six months. It was just Iwas that his number that was131101:24:55,049 --> 01:24:57,029that his drinking or was it themeth?131201:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,540Yeah, I mean it's like he wentin he had to go to one company131301:25:03,540 --> 01:25:06,660and he was he was a programmer.He would go to one company they131401:25:06,660 --> 01:25:09,270would go bankrupt you go toanother company they would they131501:25:09,270 --> 01:25:11,550would down they would layeverybody off you get on it was131601:25:11,550 --> 01:25:11,940just131701:25:11,970 --> 01:25:17,460was like Tammy Tina grew up inIndiana Midwest and her dad now131801:25:17,460 --> 01:25:20,160he was allowed singer which wasa different different problem.131901:25:21,060 --> 01:25:23,820But know this about Tina andthat's Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh,132001:25:23,820 --> 01:25:27,630no. All the girls know all thelyrics. And yeah, he had he had132101:25:27,630 --> 01:25:30,360a band man he had like horns andeverything, you know, kind of132201:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,440like KC and the Sunshine bamboo.No, no, he was he was he was132301:25:34,440 --> 01:25:41,670swinger. The Tony Allen knees.But but you know, the steel mill132401:25:41,670 --> 01:25:46,590close. Yeah, well, they laid offhalf the workforce. You know,132501:25:46,590 --> 01:25:49,020it's like, Okay, goodbye,everybody. Then what do you do?132601:25:49,470 --> 01:25:51,960Well, what happens is everythingbecomes dirt poor and132701:25:51,960 --> 01:25:52,740impoverished132801:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,860it in that I remember my dairy132901:25:55,860 --> 01:25:57,060Indiana right there.133001:25:57,480 --> 01:26:00,240Oh, that was bad. Yeah. And it'sground zero for some bad stuff.133101:26:00,270 --> 01:26:05,310Yeah, I remember my dad wentfrom he went from a133201:26:05,340 --> 01:26:09,120involuntarily went from whitecollar blue collar. At one133301:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,640point, because he was, you know,he's a programmer. He's doing133401:26:11,670 --> 01:26:14,610you know, in this, this was backduring the days of IBM System133501:26:14,610 --> 01:26:20,34036. Pray this is the precursortoday as for hundreds and mid133601:26:20,340 --> 01:26:25,200range, mainframe level stuff. Sothen he he just got laid off,133701:26:25,200 --> 01:26:30,180could not find a programmingjob. Got in any sort of any way133801:26:30,180 --> 01:26:34,860it started going hang a sheetrock. And then had a string of133901:26:34,890 --> 01:26:37,740of those jobs until the economybegan to recover a little bit.134001:26:38,100 --> 01:26:42,240But I mean, if it goes bad,meaning it got to the point134101:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,840where he had to just find anyjob he could not be, you know,134201:26:46,050 --> 01:26:48,870well, these days, and we're notthere yet. We're not there yet.134301:26:48,900 --> 01:26:49,110Oh,134401:26:49,110 --> 01:26:55,170no, no, no, this it will be veryinteresting to see what happens.134501:26:55,170 --> 01:27:00,210But considering the the changesin attitude are, Gee, I don't134601:27:00,210 --> 01:27:03,510know, first of all, you know,part of those problems came from134701:27:04,050 --> 01:27:07,710leaving the gold standard thancreating the petro dollar. Now134801:27:07,710 --> 01:27:10,680the petro that when Petro wasunder attack, so it was the134901:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,660petro dollar. And we've justinflated the crap out of it. We135001:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,120just printed too much. And it'sbecause of the thinking of135101:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,590modern monetary theory. Yes,yes. So that thinking wasn't135201:27:22,590 --> 01:27:25,080around before. And now it'slike, well, you can just print135301:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,450whatever you want. And to somedegree, it's true as long as you135401:27:27,450 --> 01:27:30,900have money to start with as longas as long as you're in the in135501:27:30,900 --> 01:27:33,930the right circles print as muchas you want. We'll just get more135601:27:33,930 --> 01:27:34,620on the way out.135701:27:35,070 --> 01:27:38,250I mean, I would say modernmonetary theory is not that much135801:27:38,250 --> 01:27:42,270different than than just basicKeynesianism, but I think people135901:27:42,270 --> 01:27:46,110were just too scared to do itbefore. Now. They're just now136001:27:46,110 --> 01:27:49,170There they are. They're notscared. Now, it's just like,136101:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,440Okay, go go, go, go go now. Likeall the bets are off, and136201:27:52,440 --> 01:27:54,540they're just they're justprinting as fast as they can.136301:27:55,260 --> 01:27:59,310Seems like it seems like it I'vegotten an ISO I think it's136401:27:59,310 --> 01:28:00,930pretty red. All right.136501:28:02,010 --> 01:28:03,840See what this is here we go. How136601:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,280long is this gonna take?136701:28:08,430 --> 01:28:12,090It's just so people can justhave random ringtones we just136801:28:14,220 --> 01:28:15,720seemed appropriate for thisweek.136901:28:16,110 --> 01:28:18,870No kidding. It's been aninteresting one. Shall we137001:28:18,870 --> 01:28:22,380software disaster week, shall wethanks some people who supported137101:28:22,380 --> 01:28:26,460podcasting 2.0 And with that,I'm not talking about just this137201:28:26,460 --> 01:28:29,910podcast but the entire projectis a value for value project.137301:28:29,910 --> 01:28:35,640It's open, anyone can join. Thesupport and value you return is137401:28:35,640 --> 01:28:40,470what is used directly forrunning all of our servers for137501:28:40,470 --> 01:28:43,500keeping everything runningsmoothly for the liquidity on137601:28:43,500 --> 01:28:47,280the node. We have bills that wethat we pay we don't pay137701:28:47,280 --> 01:28:52,950ourselves but we are very happyto continue to a shepherd137801:28:52,950 --> 01:28:59,160podcasting to a safer anddoesn't sound right safer. I137901:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,850don't like it being safe saidprotect the protected future. A138001:29:02,850 --> 01:29:05,670more protected future. Let's putit that way. Because there's a138101:29:05,670 --> 01:29:07,860lot of people out there thatwant to screw it. You know,138201:29:07,860 --> 01:29:12,450there's like going to get rid ofRSS. And we can do it ourselves.138301:29:12,480 --> 01:29:13,440Well, we're putting a138401:29:13,440 --> 01:29:20,250force field around RSS that'sthe way to look at it we have138501:29:20,250 --> 01:29:28,530got some quite large pay bills.Oh, and this this. This should138601:29:28,530 --> 01:29:33,300excite you. I'm excited aboutit. Right out of the gate.138701:29:34,440 --> 01:29:39,600rss.com Send us $1,000 Whoa,138801:29:39,990 --> 01:29:46,980holy crap. Shot Caller 20 bladeson am Paula. There must be a138901:29:46,980 --> 01:29:48,900note accompanied with this. Ihope139001:29:49,050 --> 01:29:53,130is there yes him as matter offact there is a note. It says139101:29:53,130 --> 01:29:57,270Adam and Dave, podcasting. 2.0is changing the landscape. We're139201:29:57,510 --> 01:30:01,410proud to help you and the wholeteam keep up Good work, flip139301:30:01,410 --> 01:30:04,980this Fiat to SATs and boost awayyour friends at our ces.com.139401:30:05,880 --> 01:30:12,330You guys. Thank you so much.That's and you know, besides the139501:30:12,360 --> 01:30:16,560the financial support thank youfor, for all the implementation139601:30:16,560 --> 01:30:21,150you've done and and for now youknow the next step with with139701:30:21,150 --> 01:30:25,080Alby and again Everyone shouldlisten to Alberto's interview on139801:30:25,200 --> 01:30:26,910this week's pod man. It's reallygood.139901:30:27,810 --> 01:30:30,810Yeah, and that's queued up. Iguess I gotta listen to that140001:30:30,810 --> 01:30:34,590after this after the show.thing. Yeah, thank you guys.140101:30:34,620 --> 01:30:37,980Appreciate it for everythingthat y'all are doing. By140201:30:37,980 --> 01:30:40,980Buzzsprout $500140301:30:41,490 --> 01:30:47,640I'm gonna give them a ball ortwo blades on the Impala140401:30:47,790 --> 01:30:51,000interesting. I've always foundthat beautiful and fascinating140501:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,480to see the hosting industry ofpodcasting stepped to the play,140601:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,310and so appreciated.140701:30:57,090 --> 01:30:59,370I don't know if you listen tonew media show. Of course you140801:30:59,370 --> 01:31:01,620listen to that to this to thisweek's episode. Yeah,140901:31:01,620 --> 01:31:04,140I started they have a newopening. I heard that they got a141001:31:04,140 --> 01:31:06,300new opening. Opening tune.141101:31:06,330 --> 01:31:09,600I heard that part. Sounded good.I thought I like it.141201:31:09,630 --> 01:31:13,110I like it. Much shorter. Yeah,let's just get straight to it.141301:31:13,110 --> 01:31:16,050Just good. Yeah, I was on Ididn't it wasn't something I141401:31:16,050 --> 01:31:16,560should hear.141501:31:17,010 --> 01:31:18,900No, they were just talkingabout.141601:31:20,130 --> 01:31:23,160About us. Of course. Everyone'stalking about us, Dave. It's141701:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,850like we were the were the belleof the ball right now. Enjoy it141801:31:26,850 --> 01:31:28,200because it never lasts.141901:31:28,710 --> 01:31:31,830It doesn't last. We're gonna bewe're gonna be the dog houses.142001:31:31,860 --> 01:31:37,410Oh, yeah. It's those guys suck.But they taught you know, Todd142101:31:37,410 --> 01:31:41,640instructed his his staff to golisten to our show. Oh, no. Oh,142201:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,940no. Yeah, he told me he's like,he's like, Y'all gotta go listen142301:31:44,940 --> 01:31:47,040to the show. He could get thisis like,142401:31:47,370 --> 01:31:51,060it's not safe for work, Todd.People like hey, man, I'm142501:31:51,060 --> 01:31:54,330triggered by what I heard thoseguys talking about? I don't142601:31:54,330 --> 01:31:56,070know. Yes. HR problem.142701:31:57,059 --> 01:32:02,459And so he said, he said whenonce they they went listen to142801:32:02,459 --> 01:32:05,279the show, he said he asked himin the in a meeting, like, Okay,142901:32:05,279 --> 01:32:07,499what do you what are yourthoughts about to show? And he143001:32:07,499 --> 01:32:10,229said, everyone on the firstthing they said was, man is143101:32:10,229 --> 01:32:10,859long.143201:32:11,640 --> 01:32:15,120Really? This is nothing? Really?143301:32:15,150 --> 01:32:17,220Would you quit? I mean, that'swhat she said. But you want143401:32:17,790 --> 01:32:19,470to say,143501:32:20,610 --> 01:32:25,320but then, but is the show toolong. We tighten this thing up?143601:32:27,120 --> 01:32:34,470No. I don't buy into that. Youknow, too long, too short.143701:32:34,470 --> 01:32:40,410Whatever. You hear. Okay. It'stoo long. Then do double speed.143801:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,450Yeah, there you go. They get oneand a half. 111 point. 5x.143901:32:45,480 --> 01:32:49,680Yeah. I don't know. It's, it'stoo long for busy developers, I144001:32:49,680 --> 01:32:50,100guess.144101:32:51,150 --> 01:32:58,590Maybe so. Okay, fountain labs.$200. Nice. You're in his144201:32:58,590 --> 01:32:59,460friends. Thanks,144301:32:59,490 --> 01:33:02,970guys. Thank you very much, thennot just giving SATs back to all144401:33:02,970 --> 01:33:06,420of their users. They're sendingFiat fun coupons to the project.144501:33:06,570 --> 01:33:07,410appreciate them.144601:33:08,790 --> 01:33:13,170Thank thank you guys. And JohnSpurlock came in with $100 this144701:33:13,170 --> 01:33:14,190week. Thank you, John. Thank144801:33:14,190 --> 01:33:17,970you, John. delivers code andtreasure.144901:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,660He says appreciate you guyspushing open podcasting forward145001:33:21,660 --> 01:33:24,510kicking and screaming. It'sgoing to be an exciting year145101:33:24,510 --> 01:33:26,340ahead. See you all in Dallasnext month.145201:33:26,370 --> 01:33:27,540Yeah, looking forward to it.145301:33:27,930 --> 01:33:31,110Yeah, looking forward to it. Ican't wait to meet you. Thank145401:33:31,110 --> 01:33:34,800you for that. Appreciate that.And we've got some boosts now145501:33:34,800 --> 01:33:47,340right boost. Boost go therereading George Orwell's 11111145601:33:47,370 --> 01:33:49,980through fountain and he saysthanks for the value. You're145701:33:49,980 --> 01:33:57,180welcome. Thank you. Yeah. GetAuburn citadel. sent us. 49,490145801:33:57,180 --> 01:33:59,790is what he normally does. Hesays JCD boost145901:33:59,820 --> 01:34:01,530you gotta boost boost boost.146001:34:04,530 --> 01:34:10,560Be mozzie brand mozzie says oh,a gargantuan dinosaur says row146101:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,790of dogs. 222,222. Oh,146201:34:14,790 --> 01:34:19,200nice. Thank you. Excellent.146301:34:19,620 --> 01:34:22,290Through fountain and he saysmassive row of duct booths to146401:34:22,290 --> 01:34:25,350bring my total sets over themarker for a T shirt at the146501:34:25,350 --> 01:34:26,070current rates.146601:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,280apps you're in. You're in likeFlynn. And thank you, everybody146701:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,850for hearing the call andappreciate it. It's really146801:34:32,850 --> 01:34:36,090appreciated. That we are we'vemoved away from PayPal, we were146901:34:36,090 --> 01:34:40,560pretty much exclusively PayPalin the beginning. And we moved147001:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,540over to to Satoshis and boostergrams. And you're upping the147101:34:45,540 --> 01:34:48,750amounts to make it a little tooevened it out and it's really147201:34:48,750 --> 01:34:52,260appreciated. It's very cool tosee. I mean, this was one of the147301:34:52,260 --> 01:34:56,460things and like, will people beable to get out of the headspace147401:34:56,460 --> 01:35:00,000of I'm sending 1000 SATs, youknow and it's not really quite147501:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,060We need to keep the serverrunning. And people have and147601:35:03,060 --> 01:35:06,300that's also part of the devs.You know, putting Fiat amount in147701:35:06,300 --> 01:35:09,330there. And it's, it's justbeautiful to see it working.147801:35:11,250 --> 01:35:15,420And I love to. I love how itshows that this is not just tip147901:35:15,420 --> 01:35:21,240money. This is real. These arereal booths. I mean to 222 2222148001:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,720I mean, what's the above 50?bucks? Or is that more than148101:35:24,720 --> 01:35:25,230that?148201:35:26,190 --> 01:35:30,090Isn't that? Isn't that 100bucks? Is it? 100? No,148301:35:30,120 --> 01:35:30,900I guess it is 100148401:35:31,530 --> 01:35:38,520is but what are we at now? 23.Yeah. Do to about 100 bucks.148501:35:39,180 --> 01:35:41,490Okay, well, that's I mean,that's, that's real. That's real148601:35:41,490 --> 01:35:45,300money. This is not this is not atoy. Well, also,148701:35:45,300 --> 01:35:47,880we don't ask for tips. This iswhat I've always said. You asked148801:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,460for tips, you're gonna get tipsif you ask for support for148901:35:50,460 --> 01:35:55,140value, and you leave that openand whatever that value is, is149001:35:55,140 --> 01:35:59,610to be determined by the sender.This is what you get. Says it's149101:35:59,610 --> 01:36:05,34053 I'm sorry, it wasn't 100bucks. $53.53. My mistake. He149201:36:05,340 --> 01:36:06,960says, Thanks, Dara.149301:36:07,710 --> 01:36:10,770Click requesting clarificationon the SATs for T shirt149401:36:10,770 --> 01:36:14,310conversion long ago was peggedat 40k BTC. Recently, Adam149501:36:14,310 --> 01:36:15,960answered this questionreferencing the current price,149601:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,420should it be weighted based onexchange? No, just you know,149701:36:19,020 --> 01:36:22,950it's roughly $125 worth of SATs,whatever that adds up to just do149801:36:22,950 --> 01:36:26,010your own accounting. It's fine.We're not we're not gonna get149901:36:26,010 --> 01:36:26,250all.150001:36:27,330 --> 01:36:29,730We're not gonna get tootechnical about that.150101:36:31,080 --> 01:36:36,540I get time for that. Thank you,Brian. Appreciate Tim Apple sent150201:36:36,540 --> 01:36:40,380us through fountains and as to2222. And he says, after150301:36:40,380 --> 01:36:42,870listening to the talk with Chrisabout activity, pub, and apps150401:36:42,870 --> 01:36:45,480that provide comments andinteraction. You guys forgot150501:36:45,480 --> 01:36:49,050about Casta pod, which is almosta mastodon instance. So true150601:36:49,050 --> 01:36:49,710podcast. That's150701:36:49,710 --> 01:36:52,080true. That's true. Did.150801:36:52,740 --> 01:36:55,410That's that's a shame. Weabsolutely forgot about cast.150901:36:55,410 --> 01:37:00,000But you know what, Ben, has notbeen pimping cast a pod very151001:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,370much and that? Well, no, theyhad to release151101:37:03,780 --> 01:37:12,660pimps. While he was he did thatwhole quiz thing. So here's what151201:37:12,660 --> 01:37:16,410it is. I know what it is. He'sFrench.151301:37:19,530 --> 01:37:21,000Is that the end of the sentence?151401:37:22,170 --> 01:37:28,050Comma, semicolon? No, it's it'sit's not a complaint. In fact,151501:37:28,050 --> 01:37:34,440it's a it is aspirational,inspirational, aspirational. The151601:37:34,440 --> 01:37:39,120French, like many Europeans,they take a vacation. And when151701:37:39,120 --> 01:37:43,290it comes to summer, they takesix weeks, and they eff off. And151801:37:43,290 --> 01:37:45,810they go through a lot and theyand they do their things. And151901:37:45,810 --> 01:37:48,840then you know, and now ofcourse, this is the communist152001:37:48,840 --> 01:37:55,290lifestyle. Which is incompatiblewith our capitalist pig agenda.152101:37:56,010 --> 01:37:58,920But that's what it felt like tome. It's like, oh, because I152201:37:58,950 --> 01:38:01,740know the Netherlands is the sameway. It's summer, man. I'm not152301:38:01,740 --> 01:38:04,410gonna do too much and chill outa little bit.152401:38:04,500 --> 01:38:07,350You know, what else is thecommunist lifestyle? Ship152501:38:07,350 --> 01:38:08,160Breaking all the time?152601:38:09,510 --> 01:38:12,120What happened this week and Gregcollars? Yes.152701:38:12,360 --> 01:38:17,340Yes, yes. Yes. Lots of bugs andthings breaking this week. Now152801:38:17,340 --> 01:38:24,270you're okay. So, James Crillon.1024 SATs at Killa boost? He152901:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,000says to fountain he says lookingforward to meet you both at153001:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,850Podcast Movement beers on me.All right, not literally.153101:38:32,100 --> 01:38:33,060Looking forward to it.153201:38:33,270 --> 01:38:39,090Yes, I'm here James. Yes, andbears are on yo yo hell Callay153301:38:39,090 --> 01:38:42,510bears and it's 50,000 SATs whofound a nice a stacking SATs for153401:38:42,510 --> 01:38:46,230cool cats. Much love for theintergalactic boombox podcast.153501:38:47,370 --> 01:38:54,900Yes, thank you. 50k big ones.Thank you. Dr. Bronk sent 10 SAS153601:38:54,900 --> 01:38:58,530but he had a interesting messageI thought I would read he says153701:38:58,530 --> 01:39:01,980Can the index plus V for V alsowork for books?153801:39:03,300 --> 01:39:07,320We don't we don't see why not.Yeah, exactly. Now, how many SAS153901:39:07,320 --> 01:39:08,040did he send?154001:39:08,700 --> 01:39:10,29010. whooshed154101:39:12,630 --> 01:39:13,680droopy boost.154201:39:14,460 --> 01:39:19,290Dr. Bronk. Yes it can work forbooks but I may want to update154301:39:19,290 --> 01:39:20,160set game there buddy.154401:39:21,480 --> 01:39:23,550If you want the full answer upyour SATs154501:39:25,350 --> 01:39:29,190if you want to read the appendixbring in mere mortals podcast154601:39:29,190 --> 01:39:35,34022,222 SATs and through fountainhe says Chris was so funny154701:39:35,340 --> 01:39:38,580you're building up to an awesomeepisode 100 Anything I can do to154801:39:38,580 --> 01:39:39,660help make it even better?154901:39:41,370 --> 01:39:45,510Yeah, you can boost boost boostjust boost boost boost Yeah.155001:39:46,260 --> 01:39:51,150With that Chiron Chiron yes car.I love his value for value155101:39:51,150 --> 01:39:55,320podcast. It's Have you everlistened to that? I've155201:39:55,320 --> 01:39:56,910not listened to it? No.155301:39:57,210 --> 01:40:00,480So he listens to value for valuepodcast and a value wage how155401:40:00,480 --> 01:40:01,110they do it.155501:40:02,490 --> 01:40:05,460That's a great that's a greatservice picks and shovels.155601:40:05,490 --> 01:40:10,500Yes. It's like a very veryimportant podcast.155701:40:12,330 --> 01:40:15,870Man now feel bad for notlistening yet. You know what155801:40:15,870 --> 01:40:19,140else makes me angry is I get mycrontab set up with all my155901:40:19,290 --> 01:40:21,300weekly donations to variousshows.156001:40:21,809 --> 01:40:24,569And your umbrellas. Yeah.156101:40:25,800 --> 01:40:30,510Okay, so sorry be mozzie bemozzie came in again with 10k156201:40:30,540 --> 01:40:34,950Nice. He says agree with thewith the 10k Boost reading156301:40:34,950 --> 01:40:38,280limit. I thought we were doing1,000k Yeah, but he thinks that156401:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,730should be 10 How you doingbooster Oh, okay. At tip at156501:40:41,730 --> 01:40:46,620today's rates 10k is less than$2.50. Where, whereas 1k is less156601:40:46,620 --> 01:40:47,640than 25 cents.156701:40:47,940 --> 01:40:49,920We are cheap. We are cheaphorse.156801:40:51,180 --> 01:40:58,260I mean, I just read a 10 set youhave much more respect for156901:40:58,260 --> 01:41:02,550yourself than I do. Brian. Oh,he did a follow up with the 5000157001:41:02,550 --> 01:41:07,470sat boosted father Maybe? Ormaybe 5000 for $1 equivalent and157101:41:07,470 --> 01:41:11,76020k right that said lower isbetter to encourage adoption.157201:41:12,060 --> 01:41:18,900Cowboy Hat smiley face. Okay.True. Sir. lurks a lot sinners157301:41:18,900 --> 01:41:23,4302222 through fountain at CES.Pew pew pew. Here's your here's157401:41:23,430 --> 01:41:28,350your dopamine hit. Because Vfour v is dope. PS I'm a big fan157501:41:28,350 --> 01:41:31,140of Jupiter broadcasting. So gladyou brought Chris on for a chat.157601:41:31,530 --> 01:41:36,900Pew pew mother bleep and pew andthanks for making. And thanks157701:41:36,900 --> 01:41:39,780for making the future ofpodcasting. Exciting. With all157801:41:39,780 --> 01:41:41,460the 2.0 work. Love it all.157901:41:41,490 --> 01:41:44,760No. Thank you. Thank you. Thankyou. Yeah, man.158001:41:45,420 --> 01:41:50,2204242 from from pirate huddle.Through Felton. He says I'd like158101:41:50,220 --> 01:41:57,390to pre reserve pimp 69 I gottatake on more sass.158201:41:57,420 --> 01:42:00,510Yeah, I don't think you can justyeah, you got to do some good158301:42:00,510 --> 01:42:01,320numerology158401:42:01,890 --> 01:42:08,190Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a way niceattempt but weak. Pa pocket158501:42:08,190 --> 01:42:15,840parley. sounds dirty? They say500 says he says how do you guys158601:42:15,870 --> 01:42:19,770get your boost across all theapps THANK YOU GUYS ARE thanks158701:42:19,770 --> 01:42:22,890you guys are great. I'm not surewhat it means.158801:42:23,040 --> 01:42:26,580Well, it was this from fountainYeah, so a lot of people think158901:42:26,580 --> 01:42:27,990that this only works on fountain159001:42:29,310 --> 01:42:33,390Oh, okay. No, it works in lotsof places pod friend cast159101:42:33,390 --> 01:42:35,940thematic polyurea caster159201:42:35,940 --> 01:42:36,720pod verse159301:42:36,720 --> 01:42:40,590caster. Yeah, Breeze. Breeze.Yeah, it's159401:42:40,590 --> 01:42:45,990a universal system. So it workseverywhere. LB hope Yes. Hope159501:42:45,990 --> 01:42:47,070that answers your question159601:42:47,610 --> 01:42:53,370is 3333 says from Salvadorsyntax through fountain Nene159701:42:53,370 --> 01:42:57,390says don't get on Tik Tok.Again, think that was a159801:42:57,390 --> 01:43:01,440chastisement of me probably.I've never been on Tiktok just159901:43:01,470 --> 01:43:07,110just to be clear, never in mylife. 50,000 SATs from user160001:43:07,110 --> 01:43:15,300360539555413. From that is theuser also known as Todd Cochran.160101:43:15,300 --> 01:43:18,540He says Todd Cochran here,gents, every show you guys put160201:43:18,540 --> 01:43:21,510my brain to work. I'm alwaystrying to think as a creator160301:43:21,510 --> 01:43:24,720first. And as we educatecreators on podcasting 2.0, they160401:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,270will drive adoption as they willdrive companies like mine to160501:43:27,270 --> 01:43:30,060adopt more integration. I'mcommitted to a faster160601:43:30,060 --> 01:43:33,030integration in our PowerPressplugin in our platform as a160701:43:33,030 --> 01:43:36,450whole big news in about a monthor so. And something we have160801:43:36,450 --> 01:43:40,050cooking. Also, any dev wantingto submit code for podcast? 2.0160901:43:40,050 --> 01:43:44,160To PowerPress? drop me an emailat todd@blueberry.com. Oh,161001:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,100that's cool. Great note rightnow from Todd. Thank you, Todd.161101:43:47,100 --> 01:43:47,370Tina161201:43:47,370 --> 01:43:48,570has a message for you, Todd.161301:43:54,330 --> 01:43:57,630By the way, that that notion,I'm not saying this is what161401:43:57,630 --> 01:44:02,190he's, I'm not saying that thisis what he is saying. But, but I161501:44:02,190 --> 01:44:04,620was thinking it's just on mymind, because I was thinking161601:44:04,620 --> 01:44:11,490about this yesterday. The ideathat we need to wait until our161701:44:11,490 --> 01:44:14,160customer says they want itbefore we do it. And again, I'm161801:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,680not saying that's what he'ssaying. But it can be161901:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,220interpreted that way. Yes, thereare some of those things. I162001:44:20,220 --> 01:44:24,270mean, like you can say, Okay,well, because, you know, and I162101:44:24,270 --> 01:44:26,790speak from experience on thisbecause I mean, in my day job,162201:44:26,790 --> 01:44:29,310I'm responsible for a lot ofthings that end up being162301:44:29,310 --> 01:44:34,830customer facing. You can waitfor your customer to say it to162401:44:34,830 --> 01:44:39,660tell you they want it. And thatis an important part of of the162501:44:39,660 --> 01:44:43,260innovation of doing things foryour customers and keeping them162601:44:43,260 --> 01:44:47,160satisfied and happy customers.But there's also another aspect162701:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,970of sometimes you know, that theydon't know that they want a162801:44:50,970 --> 01:44:54,300thing. So you yes, and yes,162901:44:54,300 --> 01:44:57,450Steve Jobs. Do you know what Imean? Of course,163001:44:58,290 --> 01:45:01,470that's true. I mean, it's like II can see that they would want163101:45:01,470 --> 01:45:04,680this thing if they if they hadit if it existed, but they don't163201:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,060know to want it.163301:45:06,210 --> 01:45:11,040What? Okay, so going back towhat we were talking about the163401:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,760beginning of this very longepisode. I'm just thinking of163501:45:14,760 --> 01:45:23,460the blueberry Deb's is workerswe have we have competition. And163601:45:23,460 --> 01:45:27,720that's that is I'm telling I cansee it. I'm my eyes are wide163701:45:27,720 --> 01:45:31,230open, we have competition in thehosting space. And everybody's163801:45:31,260 --> 01:45:35,070gotten a little a little alittle jiggle. And like, Oh,163901:45:35,070 --> 01:45:40,290hey, let's do some stuff. And sonow it's it's partially based on164001:45:40,470 --> 01:45:43,830what are other person'scustomers wanting or doing or164101:45:43,830 --> 01:45:46,890what are they providing forthem. So now we're off to the164201:45:46,890 --> 01:45:50,340races. This is fantastic. And ofcourse, what will happen is the164301:45:50,340 --> 01:45:53,190most requested features will bethe ones that get implemented164401:45:53,190 --> 01:45:56,700first. And I think we'll seevery quickly where things fall164501:45:56,700 --> 01:46:00,570out and what is completely, youknow, just that has no adoption,164601:46:00,570 --> 01:46:05,130but the competition and I mean,that friendly, because everyone164701:46:05,130 --> 01:46:07,890competes one way or the other,but now we have a development164801:46:07,890 --> 01:46:12,510competition, or competitive.Everyone's looking at each164901:46:12,510 --> 01:46:15,240other. And this is good. This isvery, very healthy. This is the165001:46:15,240 --> 01:46:16,500opposite of France.165101:46:18,900 --> 01:46:21,210Just kidding. It's the communistlifestyle.165201:46:21,509 --> 01:46:24,929I'm just kidding. Yeah, so andthat's why people are busting165301:46:24,929 --> 01:46:27,059ass in the middle of the summerin America. It's like hey, well,165401:46:27,059 --> 01:46:29,039you gotta go build some newstuff.165501:46:29,490 --> 01:46:36,510Yeah. See dubs 1010 says he saysplease change boost bought to165601:46:36,840 --> 01:46:42,750wait please change boost dash Icannot read please change boost165701:46:42,780 --> 01:46:46,170space bought to boost bought oneword in the split.165801:46:46,710 --> 01:46:50,790Oh gee. Okay, I'm sorry. Ididn't know anyone will get165901:46:50,790 --> 01:46:51,360angry.166001:46:52,440 --> 01:46:55,590This se doesn't have to be thecreator of booze bought me take166101:46:55,590 --> 01:46:55,650a166201:46:55,650 --> 01:46:58,530look. I'll do it right now. Oh,that's what does it have to be166301:46:58,530 --> 01:47:00,000boost. One word boost166401:47:00,000 --> 01:47:01,620but one word and take space out.166501:47:01,769 --> 01:47:04,409Okay. Consider a done.166601:47:04,860 --> 01:47:09,090Marcel sent us 3000 SATs throughfountain he says Chris and me.166701:47:09,090 --> 01:47:11,490Thanks for the show. You'rewelcome. Thank you. Thank you166801:47:11,490 --> 01:47:15,060Chris for standing up with Chrislast week. Yeah. Mike Dell,166901:47:15,090 --> 01:47:19,830another blueberry longtime orhe's sent us through fountain he167001:47:19,830 --> 01:47:23,370sent us 1011 SAS he says I thinkI figured out how to send boosts167101:47:23,400 --> 01:47:26,160Did you share dead ends as my167201:47:26,640 --> 01:47:34,890boost asset SLC SLC I guessthat's how you say that since167301:47:34,890 --> 01:47:38,1602000 Sask in the messages. Pew167401:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,210and pew back to you.167501:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,350Mike Delson, another boost he'snow he's getting he's got a167601:47:46,350 --> 01:47:47,490fever now Yeah,167701:47:47,520 --> 01:47:51,450once you It's like eating Oreos.You can't stop until you suck167801:47:51,450 --> 01:47:53,160down the whole sleeve All right.167901:47:54,480 --> 01:47:57,390Like you call it a sleeve that'sa pretty good I learned that168001:47:57,390 --> 01:48:00,420from Tina from my wife. She'slike, Hey man, you want a sleeve168101:48:00,420 --> 01:48:04,170of Oreos? Like what? This wasback when we were first dating168201:48:04,170 --> 01:48:07,320and you know she would stillsmoke weed with me that ended up168301:48:07,320 --> 01:48:09,870in the marriage. You know, it'slike okay, now you go over168401:48:09,870 --> 01:48:15,840there. Here's your garden Yes,right.168501:48:16,650 --> 01:48:21,210Exactly. Mike Dell 2222 throughfamily says thanks for the help168601:48:21,210 --> 01:48:24,900with the V four v on auto histauto History podcast. You're168701:48:24,900 --> 01:48:32,040welcome Mike. Oh 4000 SATs fromSC OTT also known as Scott a new168801:48:32,040 --> 01:48:37,230found in he says H as h as wellon the show evidence supported168901:48:37,230 --> 01:48:39,000in a while so I have169001:48:40,110 --> 01:48:44,370Okay, thank you. Thank you.Thank you. Thank you.169101:48:45,930 --> 01:48:50,100SCO TT again 2000 Sassy sayssorry about my last Miss message169201:48:50,100 --> 01:48:55,980speech to text was on I thoughtI corrected before it was posted169301:48:56,250 --> 01:49:01,200I think the epitome of where weare in a technological landscape169401:49:01,590 --> 01:49:04,560is when you are sending abooster Graham through text to169501:49:04,560 --> 01:49:08,700speech that's or speech to textI should say169601:49:08,970 --> 01:49:11,670it that is I'll just stand backand appreciate yeah this is169701:49:11,670 --> 01:49:14,310really showed for a moment soyou just driving in the car169801:49:14,310 --> 01:49:17,400you're like I'm gonna send thesedudes message with some money a169901:49:17,400 --> 01:49:22,950just talk into your phone and itgoes I mean come on. Magic170001:49:23,580 --> 01:49:30,24022 to 22 through from blueberry22 to 23 found and he says oh my170101:49:30,240 --> 01:49:35,430goodness. Peter is a ptr is aconfirmed known oh you use it?170201:49:35,460 --> 01:49:36,690This is you read this. This170301:49:36,690 --> 01:49:40,830is the one we read. Yeah. Yeah,so we're the only one we're170401:49:40,830 --> 01:49:42,180missing is the delimiter170501:49:43,440 --> 01:49:44,970No, no, no, we got more thanthat.170601:49:45,870 --> 01:49:48,210Interesting, maybe that was aduplicate because that170701:49:49,230 --> 01:49:56,580okay, light Lyceum sent us12,340 faststats. He says could170801:49:56,580 --> 01:49:59,160this be an appropriate symbolicnumber of Satoshis for your170901:49:59,160 --> 01:50:02,700work? My wallet is soon empty soI have to generate an invoice171001:50:02,700 --> 01:50:06,420and fund the wallet. But itdidn't work at the moment. Dave,171101:50:06,450 --> 01:50:09,180thanks for keeping the databasein shape. Adam, how's it going171201:50:09,180 --> 01:50:12,180with the manifesto? Oh, you cancreate a reference to the171301:50:12,180 --> 01:50:15,870booster gram numerology page onGitHub. Martin, Linda Skog171401:50:15,870 --> 01:50:20,040Lyceum on podcast index dialMost definitely. Of course171501:50:20,040 --> 01:50:21,210manifesto is coming last171601:50:21,210 --> 01:50:24,300even a but the question is, hashe been able to put the row of171701:50:24,300 --> 01:50:27,720ducks? Was he doing a an updateto the page and he crashed it.171801:50:28,980 --> 01:50:32,880So going on with that page wasgoing to debate? Yeah, the171901:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,400booths page. All right. Yes, ofcourse.172001:50:36,870 --> 01:50:43,680Okay, here we go. 206,677 SATs.Oh, from Brian of London in the172101:50:43,680 --> 01:50:49,200hive Dao da Yes. Yep. Throughthe V four V app, he says Brian172201:50:49,200 --> 01:50:51,000is back with a $50 boost.172301:50:51,269 --> 01:50:52,799I'm gonna give him a podcast.172401:50:56,100 --> 01:51:01,140Thank you, Brian. He's finished.He's finished. You know, geo172501:51:01,140 --> 01:51:05,400landing all over the all overthe globe, I guess, in his172601:51:05,400 --> 01:51:05,940yacht.172701:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,640Yeah. So he's done. He's backhome now. Finally.172801:51:09,179 --> 01:51:12,359I guess so he was I mean, he'sposting pictures of Monaco and172901:51:12,359 --> 01:51:13,019all this kind of stuff. I173001:51:13,019 --> 01:51:16,349mean, do you get do you get thefeeling that this is really his173101:51:16,349 --> 01:51:19,739family's yacht? And he's justpretending like Nah, I'm just173201:51:19,739 --> 01:51:23,009doing this thing. But he's like,he's probably like come in you173301:51:23,009 --> 01:51:25,739know this from huge wealthyIsraeli family.173401:51:26,610 --> 01:51:31,590He's He's the equivalent of ofthat woman from Seinfeld. The as173501:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,140this like, oh, yeah, an actressbut she's really like a173601:51:34,140 --> 01:51:35,040multimillionaire.173701:51:35,070 --> 01:51:36,780Yeah, she's an heiress173801:51:37,830 --> 01:51:40,800to the is like a coal or oilfortune or something like that.173901:51:41,400 --> 01:51:44,070What's her name again? Now ofcourse I can only think of her174001:51:44,070 --> 01:51:48,510name is Elaine. Yeah, she was.Julia Louis Dreyfus. Yeah.174101:51:48,510 --> 01:51:54,090Julia. Julia Louie Dreyfus. Oh,now. Her family's humongously174201:51:54,090 --> 01:52:04,110rich from I think farms dealing.Now, are you serious? No. No,174301:52:04,110 --> 01:52:10,140but it's probably it's probablyno good. Have food processor.174401:52:10,140 --> 01:52:16,170There you go. They make yourshit food. You. Yes. The Louie174501:52:16,170 --> 01:52:21,750has the Louis Dreyfus group.They are ocean vessels. Yeah,174601:52:21,750 --> 01:52:26,160yeah. Now they own Cargill.Believe me. These people are no174701:52:26,160 --> 01:52:26,640good.174801:52:27,090 --> 01:52:31,800They own Cargill. Yeah. Holycrap. Well, that bright bronze174901:52:31,800 --> 01:52:35,100thing he's facing. He's facingpoverty. Now. He's really a175001:52:35,100 --> 01:52:35,940multimillionaire. He175101:52:35,940 --> 01:52:42,210is obviously. Last limiter onthe fame. Brian of London. He's175201:52:42,210 --> 01:52:44,760the heir to a hummus. Fortune.175301:52:46,950 --> 01:52:52,770Yes, yes. comes through blogger15,033 SAS through fountain and175401:52:52,770 --> 01:52:56,340he says, How do you a Adam andDave please with vodka on top.175501:52:56,430 --> 01:52:59,880Invite your listeners to thepodcast a boot. He's now175601:52:59,880 --> 01:53:04,800Canadian. 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Andthank you again for supporting177701:54:29,100 --> 01:54:32,040the open project that ispodcasting. 2.0 and this and the177801:54:32,040 --> 01:54:34,230board meeting, of course thisfabulous podcast.177901:54:35,790 --> 01:54:40,230I mean, clearly, we're too it'stoo long. We got obviously,178001:54:40,410 --> 01:54:43,590obviously, we had a lot ofimportant things to bitch about178101:54:43,590 --> 01:54:47,670like oh shit, not working, whichis always important. At the end178201:54:47,670 --> 01:54:49,380of the week for us to people178301:54:50,370 --> 01:54:53,700we get I got more stuff I wantto talk about next. I mean, I'll178401:54:53,700 --> 01:54:55,650just push it to next weekbecause it's probably needs big178501:54:55,650 --> 01:54:59,970discussion, but I want to bringback I want to consider polls.178601:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,200In the namespace,178701:55:01,650 --> 01:55:07,050just to fuck with Spotify? Yes.I'm really not on board with178801:55:07,050 --> 01:55:08,400this. Really?178901:55:09,179 --> 01:55:12,809No. I mean, it's not just forthat reason, but I mean, I179001:55:12,809 --> 01:55:21,419mocked polls and marked it. Butnow I'm really maybe useful. I179101:55:21,419 --> 01:55:23,849don't care about the pollsthemselves. I'm thinking the179201:55:23,849 --> 01:55:25,679technology of it may be useful.179301:55:25,920 --> 01:55:29,790Okay. So the typical, let's makesome cool technology that no one179401:55:29,790 --> 01:55:34,230needs. Yes. Well, I would liketo do polling, but more like179501:55:34,230 --> 01:55:42,450voting. If you if you do it withSATs, that work that I like. But179601:55:42,450 --> 01:55:47,250what was your going too deepinto it? What? I mean, does179701:55:47,250 --> 01:55:51,210anyone on the podcast? Doesanyone really want polling? I179801:55:51,210 --> 01:55:54,300mean, you're you're excitedabout the idea. So I'm intrigued179901:55:54,330 --> 01:55:56,580by why you're excited about thetechnology.180001:55:57,930 --> 01:56:04,680I was thinking hackathon. Andthat would get a screw it, let's180101:56:04,680 --> 01:56:13,470do it. The the hackathon needs away to vote. And so I was180201:56:13,470 --> 01:56:18,780thinking, if you have I wastrying to figure out how to make180301:56:18,780 --> 01:56:22,620that happen. And if and I'mlike, okay, all, not all the180401:56:22,620 --> 01:56:28,950podcast 2.0 app support episodelevel splits yet. So what we180501:56:28,950 --> 01:56:34,620could do is create a newpodcast, a dummy podcast, so to180601:56:34,620 --> 01:56:42,390speak, have everybody boost thatpodcast? In in a in some sort of180701:56:42,390 --> 01:56:44,460voting mechanism. And I startedgetting into this all this180801:56:44,460 --> 01:56:47,790complexity, and I'm like, Well,what if we just put a poll or180901:56:47,790 --> 01:56:50,430voting thing in? Webpage createthe tag?181001:56:50,460 --> 01:56:54,030Okay. Let's, let's keep itthere. Let's stop there. Because181101:56:54,030 --> 01:56:56,730the one important thing we needto do first is actually figure181201:56:56,730 --> 01:57:00,810out how we do the hackathon.True, which seems to be just an181301:57:00,810 --> 01:57:05,280idea, oh, is anyone going tojump up and take this hackathon181401:57:05,280 --> 01:57:08,430by the horns and shepherded andlead it and coordinated?181501:57:10,590 --> 01:57:12,960I'm hoping if I keep talkingabout it, somebody will do it.181601:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,040Eventually, somebody will. Thisis something that someone could181701:57:17,040 --> 01:57:20,220participate in. I mean, it's,there's excitement for it. We181801:57:20,220 --> 01:57:23,850all want to do it. Nobody hastime to organize it. Maybe181901:57:23,850 --> 01:57:28,830there's someone is a part of theoverall podcasting 2.0 community182001:57:29,070 --> 01:57:31,110who would be interested inpicking that up and running with182101:57:31,110 --> 01:57:32,490it? How about that?182201:57:33,150 --> 01:57:36,660Yeah, let's do this. I'm goingto talk about hackathon and the182301:57:36,660 --> 01:57:42,810pimp system until some untilpeople do it. I'm going to shame182401:57:42,810 --> 01:57:43,050them.182501:57:44,640 --> 01:57:49,110All right. I think the COVID hasme now. Ready to end the show.182601:57:49,140 --> 01:57:50,940I'm tired. You're about Yeah,182701:57:50,940 --> 01:57:52,020I can hear it. I've182801:57:52,020 --> 01:57:55,290lost. Like okay, that was it.That's the energy you got for me182901:57:55,290 --> 01:57:58,260for today. Dave Have a greatweekend. My brother. Yeah, man.183001:57:58,290 --> 01:58:00,720Yeah, man can't wait to talk toyou everybody else. Everyone183101:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,260listening live and in the chatroom. Thank you very much. And183201:58:04,260 --> 01:58:08,130thank you for supporting andbeing a part of podcasting. 2.0183301:58:08,130 --> 01:58:11,100we come back next Friday withanother board meeting, a183401:58:11,100 --> 01:58:12,900podcasting 2.0.183501:58:28,770 --> 01:58:33,330You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast183601:58:33,330 --> 01:58:38,280index.org For more information,podcast. Here we go. How long is183701:58:38,280 --> 01:58:39,240this gonna take?