Episode 94: Bells Out

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,330Oh, broadcasting 2.0 for July22 2020 to Episode 94 We got our200:00:06,330 --> 00:00:11,400bells out. Hello everybody, it'stime once again for the official300:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,450board meeting of podcasting. 2.0everything happening at podcast400:00:15,450 --> 00:00:18,630index.org What is the latestwith the podcast standards, the500:00:18,630 --> 00:00:23,190namespace, and of course we gothrough all the nutjob ideas we600:00:23,190 --> 00:00:26,490come up with on podcast indexdot social. I'm Adam curry here700:00:26,490 --> 00:00:29,550in the heart of the Texas HillCountry. And in Alabama ladies800:00:29,550 --> 00:00:32,130you can meet him in person atPodcast Movement, my friend on900:00:32,130 --> 00:00:35,400the other end. Mr. Dave Jones.1000:00:37,350 --> 00:00:38,670Yes, ladies,1100:00:38,940 --> 00:00:44,940ladies meet him in person. Getget a selfie with Dave the pod1200:00:44,940 --> 00:00:46,080sage.1300:00:47,490 --> 00:00:51,150I made two discoveries tomusical discovery. Oh, on the1400:00:51,150 --> 00:00:55,110way home, you know, of course Ido this on the way I do this. I1500:00:55,110 --> 00:00:59,520get off work on Fridays. Andduring during the summers, we're1600:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,160off the rest of the day. We dohave a summer we do. And then1700:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,670the rest of the years. Do thison my lunch break. So right now,1800:01:05,970 --> 00:01:11,640on the way home from work. I waslistening to some to some Steve1900:01:11,640 --> 00:01:19,560Perry. And that guy is SammyHagar voice is interesting. Or2000:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,780Steve Perry are the exact sameperson.2100:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,310I've met both of them. And I canassure you that in no way. Are2200:01:26,310 --> 00:01:29,400they the same person at allwhatsoever.2300:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,150retract this conspiracy theory.2400:01:33,149 --> 00:01:37,109No, I hear what you're saying.But no, no, Sammy Sammy was the2500:01:37,109 --> 00:01:42,449one that that egged me on tothink about MTV. Oh, really?2600:01:42,479 --> 00:01:46,919Yeah. When he came to visit hewas with Van Halen, then in2700:01:46,919 --> 00:01:53,669Holland. And you know, the Alexand Alex and Eddie are Dutch.2800:01:54,870 --> 00:01:57,570That's right. Yeah. Okay. Iremember that. I remember when2900:01:57,570 --> 00:01:59,670they had short hair also, whenthey cut their hair really3000:01:59,670 --> 00:02:01,230short. Yeah. Yeah. That was3100:02:01,230 --> 00:02:04,620like that was towards the end,right? Yeah. Van Halen. Yeah.3200:02:04,620 --> 00:02:04,740And3300:02:04,740 --> 00:02:09,930so that's when they were on theshow. And, and I had my glorious3400:02:09,930 --> 00:02:12,300blonde locks. And so we're doingthe interview, and all of a3500:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,480sudden Alex pulls out these bigscissors. Like, come on curry.3600:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,990We're making you join our club.Like, no.3700:02:19,980 --> 00:02:24,630Get away from me with him, buthe pulled. So he pulled out the3800:02:25,290 --> 00:02:30,360Yeah. Exactly. An early versionof running with scissors. Hey.3900:02:31,620 --> 00:02:33,360Yeah, that's the4000:02:34,710 --> 00:02:39,660the other musical discovery Imade was that songs don't have4100:02:39,660 --> 00:02:45,090interludes anymore. interludes.Yeah, so like, you know, like a4200:02:45,090 --> 00:02:48,720good you have like, your verse,your intro, your verse, chorus4300:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,600verse chorus, Brunello? Yes, thesolo? Well, there's no if you4400:02:55,140 --> 00:02:58,590squeezed in the middle anotherthere's another section is just4500:02:58,590 --> 00:03:02,310a musical interlude where itwould just be they go into just4600:03:02,310 --> 00:03:05,970some different section and theyjust hang out there for 304700:03:05,970 --> 00:03:09,180seconds or a minute and just dosomething different and then4800:03:09,180 --> 00:03:11,250they go back into the song likethat doesn't happen and you4900:03:11,250 --> 00:03:11,670know,5000:03:11,700 --> 00:03:15,150well, that's because tick tockowns the music business. You got5100:03:15,150 --> 00:03:19,080to get your hook out within 20seconds. And then maybe, maybe,5200:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,820maybe it'll catch5300:03:21,750 --> 00:03:24,150but that's how and if you're ifyou're an artist, and you don't5400:03:24,150 --> 00:03:27,150pimp yourself and your song onTik Tok they fired you.5500:03:27,660 --> 00:03:30,330And you pretty much every recordcompanies, no matter how big the5600:03:30,330 --> 00:03:34,470artists you gotta get on TikTok. Oh, that's there's there's5700:03:34,500 --> 00:03:40,230huge scams going on. I thinkthere's placement, the there's5800:03:40,230 --> 00:03:42,960payment for placement, thealgos, I'm sure are being5900:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,200manipulated for pay. I mean,this is a lot going on over6000:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,690there. It's such a black box.Not a black box is value for6100:03:51,690 --> 00:03:54,300value. And I don't knowsomething it feels to me like6200:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,810something tip. Something thatyou know, we went over some kind6300:03:57,810 --> 00:04:02,820of, well, let me say a tippingpoint. She's just she just6400:04:02,820 --> 00:04:07,890started taking off. I mean, ToddCochran, two shows in a row is6500:04:07,890 --> 00:04:10,980just Mr. Booster grab, which iscalled them Todd booster. Graham6600:04:10,980 --> 00:04:12,150Cochran from now on.6700:04:13,140 --> 00:04:15,120TBC it is.6800:04:15,180 --> 00:04:19,530I mean, I hear this, but I justwonder what happened. It's like6900:04:19,530 --> 00:04:22,710all of a sudden, maybe it'sbecause he had the experience.7000:04:22,710 --> 00:04:24,900He got his umbrella up andrunning and you start seeing7100:04:24,900 --> 00:04:26,760SATs come in. Is that Is thatwhat it is?7200:04:27,990 --> 00:04:32,010I don't know. Maybe or maybe hejust rediscovered? He said7300:04:32,010 --> 00:04:35,400somebody started getting him tolisten to the show again. Oh,7400:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,390right. He had taken a goodtaking a break from from7500:04:39,390 --> 00:04:41,310podcasting. 2.0 which is notallowed.7600:04:41,340 --> 00:04:45,540No, I mean, I mean, that'sagainst company policy. Yeah, he7700:04:45,540 --> 00:04:45,720can7800:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,850be on the board. If he knows youhave to the board meeting,7900:04:48,090 --> 00:04:52,620please. Or at least you know,this is like the notes. If you8000:04:52,620 --> 00:04:55,290can't listen live, you can'tattend the meeting. Then at8100:04:55,290 --> 00:04:56,790least you get the board notes.8200:04:58,020 --> 00:04:59,520The minutes, the minutes8300:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,230that thank you So that's theword I was looking for the8400:05:01,230 --> 00:05:04,740minutes. Let's write those upevery week. You can't just oh8500:05:04,740 --> 00:05:08,100that's interesting. So well thenmust have been listening to us8600:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,100doing everything lit where hefelt the excitement you hear8700:05:11,100 --> 00:05:14,100that your everyone heard acouple of cues coming already.8800:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,690It's an incredible motivator ishis value for value thing. It's8900:05:18,690 --> 00:05:24,960it and Cridland has not stoppeddoing booster Graham corner. And9000:05:24,990 --> 00:05:29,130I mean, it's this is now just ade facto way of talking back to9100:05:29,130 --> 00:05:32,430shows. It's really nice.9200:05:33,030 --> 00:05:35,010And we found out yesterday.9300:05:35,010 --> 00:05:37,500Yeah. You didn't know aboutthis. You hadn't gotten a secret9400:05:37,500 --> 00:05:39,300little tip off? No,9500:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,370no, I had no I had no clue.They. So I mean, the first thing9600:05:44,370 --> 00:05:50,010I heard of it was was Sam Seth,he's tweet about it on Twitter.9700:05:50,100 --> 00:05:54,030Tell us tell us what happenednow. Well, I mean, if people9800:05:54,030 --> 00:05:59,820listen to pod Lando, they did aninterview with with Morris from9900:05:59,820 --> 00:06:05,460Alby. And he revealed in therethat rss.com is doing an10000:06:05,460 --> 00:06:08,490integration with Alby so you canlaunch a podcast or wallet10100:06:08,550 --> 00:06:15,810directly from their UI using ourusing lb. And they'll go ahead10200:06:15,810 --> 00:06:18,660and put the out put everythingthe value block straight in your10300:06:18,660 --> 00:06:23,820RSS feed. Oh, phenomenal. Imean, I had no idea and I pinged10400:06:23,910 --> 00:06:26,760Alberto I was like, Wow, that'samazing. Congrats. That's,10500:06:26,850 --> 00:06:28,830that's incredible. In10600:06:29,820 --> 00:06:32,430there to play it off. Like,yeah, you know, we just we just10700:06:32,430 --> 00:06:33,960met cool, what do you say?10800:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,520No, he sent me back a screenshotof of their unreleased, you10900:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,770know, the way it's gonna look,he's like, here's the, here's11000:06:40,770 --> 00:06:43,650the top secret, tentativescreenshot of the way the UI11100:06:43,650 --> 00:06:47,790looks, looks great. It looksfine. It looks just like you11200:06:47,790 --> 00:06:50,580would think it would be whereyou do an integration. Now, you11300:06:50,580 --> 00:06:53,640know, like, you could do it oneof two ways. And I've had11400:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,540discussions with hosts beforeabout this, you can do an you11500:06:57,540 --> 00:07:01,530could do like an integrationtypes style thing where you, you11600:07:01,890 --> 00:07:06,720kind of hook out to anotherservice and launch a wallet and11700:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,500then get the get the details andthen go and put those in the11800:07:10,500 --> 00:07:14,730feed and right but then, butthen the knowing that the user11900:07:14,790 --> 00:07:17,520is going to need to go managetheir wallet, everything from12000:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,520that other side or that otherservice. It's like we're, we're12100:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,970helping you recruit we'refacilitating the creation of12200:07:23,970 --> 00:07:27,060anatomy wallet for you and goingahead and in referencing it in12300:07:27,060 --> 00:07:30,750the feed, and sort of like12400:07:31,980 --> 00:07:34,950wallet management is still donewith Alby I mean all of that12500:07:34,950 --> 00:07:35,790separate right12600:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,670that's my understand that makesmy understanding is right now12700:07:38,670 --> 00:07:41,520unless the endless not right,but man12800:07:41,550 --> 00:07:45,180Hagen Can I just say God blessthe Germans. The Hallo,12900:07:45,180 --> 00:07:49,020Deutschland. Here's the half.Man. This is so cool, man. Those13000:07:49,020 --> 00:07:51,330guys got got balls of steel overthere.13100:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,590Yeah, we got. We got Michael.coming on in August coming on13200:07:55,590 --> 00:08:00,000and then Oh, yeah. Couple weeks.Yeah. Okay him about all the13300:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,420deets.13400:08:00,450 --> 00:08:05,610So if Oh, please. DT. What? Sowhen does this launch she knows13500:08:05,610 --> 00:08:08,940this close to launch must beannouncing it. She's talking13600:08:08,940 --> 00:08:09,390about it.13700:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,680I think it's Monday. That was mythat was my read Holy crap.13800:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,920What a game changer. You know,this is this is I feel this,13900:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,610like, I had this wave kind oflike, oh, this is so good.14000:08:21,060 --> 00:08:25,950Because here you have thishosting industry, which also by14100:08:25,950 --> 00:08:28,650itself has been a little bitstagnant over the past 10 years,14200:08:28,650 --> 00:08:32,940for obvious reasons, the holyeverything, the whole space, the14300:08:32,940 --> 00:08:40,200space was constricted man. By byour own brains. It's going to14400:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,920create new competition. Youknow, I hear Todd talking about14500:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,950and not just the wallets, butthe whole namespace. I hear Todd14600:08:46,950 --> 00:08:50,820talking to his development teamsaying, Hey, guys, you got to14700:08:50,820 --> 00:08:54,120look at some more of thisnamespace stuff. You get to14800:08:54,210 --> 00:08:58,050Buzzsprout of course, is is ahead with, with a lot of14900:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,550implementation of a lot of tags.I mean, this is I mean, this 5815000:09:02,550 --> 00:09:05,610apps and services. It's almostlike 32 flavors.15100:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,850Well, I heard him talking abouton I was listening to buzz casts15200:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,550on the way in this morning tothe office and they were talking15300:09:14,550 --> 00:09:19,920about it when they were talkingabout the LIVE TAG and you know,15400:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,520like what, you know, what can wedo with live how, you know, I15500:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,820think the live stuff has really,that may be part of the newfound15600:09:29,820 --> 00:09:32,040sort of fervor for all of this.15700:09:32,069 --> 00:09:35,999I completely agree because it'sexciting. Yes, it is. Hit me15800:09:35,999 --> 00:09:38,309with a boost of ground peoplegive me a pew pew I need to hit15900:09:38,309 --> 00:09:42,119a dopamine hit. I'm havingwithdrawals.16000:09:43,380 --> 00:09:47,130The the live stuff just getsyou. It gets you go from a16100:09:47,130 --> 00:09:50,580podcast that so this excitementis coming from? It's coming from16200:09:50,580 --> 00:09:54,510the podcasting side from thefrom the podcast creation side.16300:09:54,990 --> 00:09:56,820And in hosting side it's called16400:09:56,850 --> 00:09:59,940adoption. Adoption. Yes, yes.Yes.16500:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,680It happens right afterinnovation and a does. So but16600:10:04,680 --> 00:10:09,810then Thanks, Joe, the podcastersget excited about, about doing16700:10:09,810 --> 00:10:13,440these things like live where itsays something new and fresh and16800:10:13,950 --> 00:10:17,190in cool in a way that you knowthat you're there's an audience16900:10:17,190 --> 00:10:19,530that's on the other end of itgetting notified. And you're all17000:10:19,530 --> 00:10:21,060going to read there.17100:10:21,060 --> 00:10:24,150And you know what, I think maybesince we're this deep into the17200:10:24,150 --> 00:10:27,360into into this topic, maybe weshould bring in our guest board17300:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,370member, since, you know, he'salso experiencing the joy of17400:10:32,370 --> 00:10:35,790value for value as we speak.Yeah, sure. Was it too early or17500:10:35,790 --> 00:10:37,140do you want to sit with me fornow?17600:10:37,680 --> 00:10:40,470It's never too early to me. He'sfinished. He's already had a17700:10:40,470 --> 00:10:41,250pattern donut.17800:10:42,870 --> 00:10:45,090Please welcome into theboardroom. You know him as the17900:10:45,090 --> 00:10:49,560co host of Linux unplugged. Idon't know if he owns started up18000:10:49,590 --> 00:10:52,320whatever he did with Jupiterbroadcasting, but we'll hear all18100:10:52,320 --> 00:10:57,480about it. A good pod friend ofthe board meeting, please say18200:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,890hello to Chris Fisher.18300:10:59,490 --> 00:11:03,150Hello, gentlemen. Boy, it's sonice in here. It was virtual. It18400:11:03,150 --> 00:11:05,100can be as nice as you want itand I didn't know we are giving18500:11:05,100 --> 00:11:06,180out hugs. i Oh,18600:11:06,180 --> 00:11:08,730yeah. To the right. Oh, welisten, we have a motion of18700:11:08,730 --> 00:11:12,060positivity on the table. Thisstarted last week. So we18800:11:12,060 --> 00:11:15,090continue to hand out hugs.Chris, I'm sorry to my intro18900:11:15,090 --> 00:11:19,230sucked. Really? Tell me exactlywhat you do. Tell us about19000:11:19,230 --> 00:11:21,390Jupiter broadcasting and thepodcast you're doing.19100:11:21,870 --> 00:11:24,300I mean, you kind of got the theimportant bits. Yeah, Jupiter19200:11:24,300 --> 00:11:28,830broadcasting is a podcastnetwork. If you'll allow the19300:11:28,830 --> 00:11:32,190term, it's a rough sense. It'sreally me and a small team. And19400:11:32,190 --> 00:11:37,110we focus on Linux, open source,self hosting and development.19500:11:37,290 --> 00:11:39,570That's really kind of our coreNish over there. And you're19600:11:39,570 --> 00:11:41,970right. Linux unplugged is reallythe show most people know us for19700:11:41,970 --> 00:11:44,160it's the largest Linux podcastout there. We've been going for19800:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,880like nearly eight years. And wehave you know, just sort of in19900:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,290the last, probably starting inJanuary went really kind of big20000:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,680on trying to get as much tryingto get as many features of20100:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,830podcasting to Dotto supportedwith our podcasts as we can as20200:11:58,830 --> 00:12:04,410fast as possible. And, you know,for me, the real kind of I mean,20300:12:04,470 --> 00:12:06,990you guys were on my radar, themoment apple and Spotify20400:12:06,990 --> 00:12:09,090started, you know, kind ofshowing their intentions with20500:12:09,090 --> 00:12:12,330podcasting. But what reallyclicked for me as a podcaster.20600:12:12,330 --> 00:12:14,670And I think you guys were justtouching on this, it was heli20700:12:14,670 --> 00:12:18,120pad. That was the breakthrough,right? It was it was a new way20800:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,240to get input to get feedbackfrom the audience in a in a20900:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,180system that I think is superiorto email, for a lot of reasons.21000:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,340That's, that's, well, while youjumped over a whole lot there.21100:12:29,940 --> 00:12:33,750Just before we dive into that,when you say Podcast Network,21200:12:33,750 --> 00:12:36,420I'm always intrigued. I think,you know, the reasons why is21300:12:36,420 --> 00:12:40,140this a financial PodcastNetwork? Is it just a shared21400:12:40,140 --> 00:12:43,410resource? Or not just a is it ashared resources? Podcast21500:12:43,410 --> 00:12:45,960Network? What is the structure?And what is the intent of it21600:12:45,960 --> 00:12:46,920being a network?21700:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,380We had a name for it, right?Because it's, you know, there's21800:12:49,380 --> 00:12:54,150an LLC behind it to do like, allthe businesses stuff. And then21900:12:54,150 --> 00:12:59,220we share resources in the sensethat I'm on all of the shows.22000:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,960Oh, your shared resource, okay.Can they book you on a calendar?22100:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,610Or how does that like aconference room?22200:13:07,260 --> 00:13:10,020I pretty much, you know, themain host of all the shows, or22300:13:10,020 --> 00:13:14,190the co host in some cases, andthen we share editing resources,22400:13:14,310 --> 00:13:17,910financial resources, you know,maybe you know, sponsor deals22500:13:17,910 --> 00:13:20,460stuff like that network in thesense that there are a handful22600:13:20,460 --> 00:13:23,250of shows that are just really myshows that are focused on a core22700:13:23,250 --> 00:13:24,090topic and22800:13:24,090 --> 00:13:28,860is the main has the main revenuedriver been donations, ad sales.22900:13:29,970 --> 00:13:33,780Anything else? Nope, no, nomotor? You have an LLC, so I23000:13:33,780 --> 00:13:35,190presume there's profit motive?23100:13:36,450 --> 00:13:39,300Yeah, it's been I'd say it'sbeen a mix over the years of23200:13:39,300 --> 00:13:44,040donations and advertising. Wedon't do like a lot of ads. So23300:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,880we kind of have maybe one or twosponsors, and then the rest23400:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,710would be memberships or booths.23500:13:50,010 --> 00:13:53,610Okay, so yeah, big, bigsponsors. Like, what's the23600:13:53,610 --> 00:13:58,230hosting company? Linode Linode.Yeah, I should know that. Okay,23700:13:58,230 --> 00:14:00,480so they're like a main sponsor,and they sponsor across the23800:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,370whole network. Is that how itworks? Yeah. Okay.23900:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,240Yeah, for the most part.24000:14:03,420 --> 00:14:05,790Okay. Well, good, then you'reexactly the right board member24100:14:05,790 --> 00:14:08,340to have with us today becausewe're gonna slam advertising and24200:14:08,340 --> 00:14:10,350we're gonna we're gonna up thevalue for value.24300:14:10,830 --> 00:14:15,450You know, I actually you'll findme frequently doing it to office24400:14:15,450 --> 00:14:17,400hours. I just went on a rantabout it. So24500:14:17,850 --> 00:14:20,430and I will say that because Ilistened to Linux unplugged I24600:14:20,430 --> 00:14:25,800love the show. I've boosted italways stream my SATs. I don't24700:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,590mind ads in context of the show.Right? When when you do when you24800:14:31,590 --> 00:14:37,830break away for Linode now, it's,it's not even. I'm not in the24900:14:37,830 --> 00:14:40,590market. I'm a Linode customeralready, but I'm not really in25000:14:40,590 --> 00:14:43,560the market for anything. Butsomehow it to me it's like25100:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,700contents. I think the ads kindof change. You know, you make it25200:14:47,700 --> 00:14:50,880relevant to whatever may begoing on with the show with that25300:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,420moment. So those times I mean,that to me is relevant content25400:14:54,420 --> 00:14:56,580and it's not like I'm beingtricked or anything. I don't25500:14:56,580 --> 00:15:00,510feel robbed of my time. So thatkind of hybrid model Like,25600:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,530that's kind of what we're tryingto go for is that donations25700:15:04,530 --> 00:15:08,220through booths or thememberships give us kind of I25800:15:08,220 --> 00:15:11,520mean, I've been doing this for along time. So I would always try25900:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,010to do whatever's right by theaudience, because I know long26000:15:14,010 --> 00:15:17,970term, that's what matters. Butit also just feels good to make26100:15:17,970 --> 00:15:21,510it work from a businessstandpoint. So the primary26200:15:21,510 --> 00:15:23,520revenue comes from thememberships and the boosts,26300:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,640which gives us the flexibilityto say no to the scam email, I'm26400:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,530sure you guys see these two,these emails that come in all26500:15:28,530 --> 00:15:32,580the time. It's ridiculous,right? So we get to say no. And26600:15:32,580 --> 00:15:34,680then I, you know, Linode makes alot of sense, because it's a26700:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,110Linux podcast, and they're aLinux hosting provider, right?26800:15:37,110 --> 00:15:40,230So we get to say yes to thatkind of stuff. And then, because26900:15:40,230 --> 00:15:43,890it is such a good match Linodeis in their second year of27000:15:43,890 --> 00:15:47,340sponsorship, and they're they'restill very happy, because we did27100:15:47,340 --> 00:15:49,770make that content match works,as well as it does.27200:15:50,460 --> 00:15:54,570I think I think the thing thatis different about a show like27300:15:54,570 --> 00:15:57,390yours, and I would put, I thinkI would put accidental tech in27400:15:57,390 --> 00:16:00,570there. There's a there's a fewshows like yours, where the with27500:16:00,750 --> 00:16:03,480their host read ads, and they'rewell done. And they're27600:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,610reasonable links. Now, you know,when it comes to probably, what27700:16:08,610 --> 00:16:11,850I consider the master of thehost read ad is probably Leo27800:16:11,850 --> 00:16:15,930Laporte, I mean, the guy just,you know, he can just do it for,27900:16:16,140 --> 00:16:20,550I don't know how he's so good atit. But that the problem with28000:16:20,550 --> 00:16:24,990those shows, though, is they thereads are so long, I mean, you28100:16:24,990 --> 00:16:29,070feel like you're just it losesyour you loses you it loses the28200:16:29,070 --> 00:16:32,670audience, I think that that onyour shows, Chris, you do a28300:16:32,670 --> 00:16:36,480really good job of keeping themshort. And to the point where it28400:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,140does feel like content, itdoesn't feel like it doesn't so28500:16:40,140 --> 00:16:42,270much feel like an ad, really,28600:16:43,590 --> 00:16:46,410I'll take the compliment, but Ithink it is a tight line. That28700:16:46,410 --> 00:16:51,450is until you figure out that thebusiness needs to be oriented28800:16:51,450 --> 00:16:53,340towards the audience. And theaudience needs to be the biggest28900:16:53,340 --> 00:16:56,400customer, which took me years tofigure out, it's not just29000:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,670obvious for everybody, maybe itis for some people, but that's29100:16:59,670 --> 00:17:03,720where I feel like the boothsgive that baseline to every29200:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,810podcaster possibly where theaudience is the most important29300:17:06,810 --> 00:17:09,390customer from a businessstandpoint, and from a creative29400:17:09,390 --> 00:17:11,580standpoint. So both things arein alignment.29500:17:11,999 --> 00:17:16,499Give me so if you wouldn't mindgoing back and how you I first29600:17:16,499 --> 00:17:19,709started hearing about podcasting2.0 Or I don't know if it was29700:17:19,739 --> 00:17:22,379value for value that brought youin or the you know, the project29800:17:22,379 --> 00:17:26,249in general, and how it's beenhow you introduced it and how29900:17:26,249 --> 00:17:30,719you're implementing it. And doyou have a Lamborghini yet?30000:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,020For all the Bitcoin Yeah, yeah.You know, I think honestly, I,30100:17:37,050 --> 00:17:41,100I'm almost likely, I've heard itfrom you on the show. But it30200:17:41,100 --> 00:17:45,720really came on my radar becauseI just have just, my lizard30300:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,420brain got all worked up when Isaw apple and Spotify playing30400:17:48,420 --> 00:17:52,440their hands. And I realized, weare way behind. We don't have a30500:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,680decentralized index. We don't wedon't have anything independent30600:17:55,710 --> 00:17:59,850even of these major companies.And we have been legging in any30700:17:59,850 --> 00:18:03,360real feature development for solong. And this was the thing I30800:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,700realized I've been doing. And weall do it because we haven't had30900:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,580any other option is I've beensending my listeners to31000:18:08,580 --> 00:18:11,700different various websites foryears to consume, like a live31100:18:11,700 --> 00:18:14,940stream or to get show notes orto get chapters, it's so dumb to31200:18:14,940 --> 00:18:17,700be sending them outside of thepodcast app. It's short sighted.31300:18:18,330 --> 00:18:23,160And so when I saw the podcastindex, and I saw the namespace31400:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,560stuff, I thought, Okay, thismakes a lot of sense. And I31500:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,690became kind of looselyinterested in thought, okay,31600:18:27,690 --> 00:18:29,700right on, I mentioned it onthere a few times because I31700:18:29,700 --> 00:18:32,580thought this was a great idea.And I was grateful that you guys31800:18:32,580 --> 00:18:35,850were out here fighting the goodfight. But what I realized a31900:18:35,850 --> 00:18:39,840little bit later on was well, Imean, to be really frank with32000:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,630you guys, podcasting to Dottosupport can be a competitive32100:18:42,660 --> 00:18:46,410advantage for my podcast, I canoffer features that other folks32200:18:46,410 --> 00:18:51,210in the space can't offer, right?I think chapters I think32300:18:51,210 --> 00:18:55,260transcripts, booths, all thatare features that we should have32400:18:55,260 --> 00:18:58,140had for a long time, and I wantmy podcasts to have them first32500:18:58,350 --> 00:19:01,710as fast as I can. And I think Ihave a savvy audience that wants32600:19:01,710 --> 00:19:03,930that kind of stuff, too. Sothat's an element of it. And32700:19:03,930 --> 00:19:07,710then like I said earlier, whenheli pad came in, and from a32800:19:07,710 --> 00:19:10,830podcast or workflow standpoint,like how I produce my shows,32900:19:10,830 --> 00:19:14,520heli pad offers me a betterfeature set than email does33000:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,920port, you know, Twitter, DMS, orwhatever.33100:19:17,490 --> 00:19:18,690Pew pew pew pew33200:19:20,340 --> 00:19:23,520heli pad brought it all togetherfor me. And it was like, Oh,33300:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,000crap. Plus, also, I'm just a bigfan of sound money. So when I33400:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,400realized it was using theLightning Network, I was all in.33500:19:30,030 --> 00:19:34,650Yeah, yeah, that so I've gotthere. I got a lot of stuff too,33600:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,700that I had jotted down to talkto you about some of it specific33700:19:38,700 --> 00:19:41,070to you and some of it about justwhat you were talking about a33800:19:41,070 --> 00:19:44,610while ago with feature featuredevelopment and that kind of33900:19:44,610 --> 00:19:50,160thing. So but I think what Iwant to start with is you do34000:19:50,160 --> 00:19:56,790live shows. And so how are yougoing to do anything with the34100:19:56,790 --> 00:20:00,270live item tag? Is that in youron your roadmap at Oh,34200:20:00,780 --> 00:20:04,170yeah. Are we have I think thisis going to come up later too.34300:20:04,170 --> 00:20:06,480But I think our biggest barrierthere is that we're not34400:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,200generating our RSS feedsourselves right now. But I am34500:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,930getting peer tube established.I'm getting all of that plumbing34600:20:12,930 --> 00:20:16,020ready. So when we do have thatcapability, it can just kind of34700:20:16,020 --> 00:20:16,710get all connected.34800:20:17,340 --> 00:20:20,610What host are you using rightnow? Is it farside? Correct?34900:20:20,610 --> 00:20:24,900Yes. Perfect. Okay, because wecan, you know, we know Dan35000:20:24,900 --> 00:20:25,110really35100:20:25,290 --> 00:20:29,610put a gun to Dan's head and say,Dude, put this tag Now, Dan.35200:20:31,140 --> 00:20:34,350Yeah, I gave you my car. Dan.Now, please.35300:20:35,100 --> 00:20:37,800Yeah, well, we need to tell Danis that Adam still has the car35400:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,260registered on the Mercedes appon his phone, and he could shut35500:20:40,260 --> 00:20:40,950it down at any moment.35600:20:40,980 --> 00:20:44,100Any minute. That's right. I cantrack him. And really, Dan, you35700:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,180went there. Okay.35800:20:45,810 --> 00:20:49,980Yeah, I would love to see alsothe ability in fireside to35900:20:50,010 --> 00:20:54,630individually edit the valueitems. So that way when I have a36000:20:54,630 --> 00:20:57,030guest on I couldn't include themin the split and stuff like36100:20:57,030 --> 00:21:00,900that. And so those lacks thelacks the lacking I don't I'm36200:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,670trying to be nice, because Ireally liked Dan, too. And I36300:21:02,670 --> 00:21:05,640actually really liked FIRESIGN Ithink it is a good deal. But it36400:21:05,730 --> 00:21:10,020just I feel like those featuresnot being on fireside have held36500:21:10,020 --> 00:21:13,290us back exactly. Talking aboutyou in our RSS setup.36600:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,960This is good. This is notholding back. I mean, everyone's36700:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,020busy. Of course, everyone hastheir own development timeline.36800:21:19,020 --> 00:21:23,430But I think what rss.com Didthat just kicked competition in36900:21:23,430 --> 00:21:27,720the hosting space into highgear. I mean, everyone's gonna37000:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,850see it like, oh, shit, well,okay. Well, we got to have37100:21:29,850 --> 00:21:33,570because it's, this is just howit works. I mean, you can see37200:21:33,570 --> 00:21:36,300the pattern. It's like, oh,something's trending. What is37300:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,970it? Oh, these guys are doingthat. Okay, what can we do? I37400:21:38,970 --> 00:21:41,640think it's all it's, it's goingto be very exciting. And37500:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,130frankly, I can't wait for thefirst hosting company to come37600:21:44,130 --> 00:21:46,620and say, Hey, here's some tagswe've been thinking of.37700:21:47,370 --> 00:21:51,060Yeah, interesting. Interesting.Yeah, I think we're on we're37800:21:51,090 --> 00:21:54,450really on the razor edge of justkind of building that37900:21:54,450 --> 00:21:56,520infrastructure ourselves. Andthe the part that makes me a38000:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,820little sad about that is oncewe're generating our own RSS38100:21:59,820 --> 00:22:02,520feeds, and we're also moving onto generating our own website,38200:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,890because we need we need a pagethat shows all of our shows38300:22:04,890 --> 00:22:08,880together. I'm really only thenusing fireside as a CDN, and38400:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,760that doesn't seem like a greatvalue to them. And yeah, it's38500:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,570just not a good spot.38600:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,570That's when you get on IPFSpodcasting, it's all free.38700:22:17,310 --> 00:22:22,650Yeah, yeah. Yeah. IPFS we getoff camera and on by the way, do38800:22:22,650 --> 00:22:24,930much with IPFS. Chris,38900:22:25,830 --> 00:22:28,380Lord, I hate to say I playedwith it, and I wasn't super39000:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,330impressed yet. I see. That's39100:22:30,330 --> 00:22:34,620where I'm at to get like, we've,me and Adam. They're trying to39200:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,590do IPs for so many years. Andit's just like, it just always39300:22:37,590 --> 00:22:44,700it's like 90% reliable, but that10 That last 10% is just so39400:22:44,700 --> 00:22:45,240frustrating39500:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,070boots on the ground update.Since I've, I have installed39600:22:50,070 --> 00:22:54,420IPFS podcasting on my Umbral Iam pinning and doing all this39700:22:54,420 --> 00:22:59,490stuff. For all of my shows, noagenda, it has a lot of a lot of39800:22:59,490 --> 00:23:04,440pins and a lot of cachedepisodes. I have not used it in39900:23:05,250 --> 00:23:09,810in any enclosure URL to date.But exactly what you say Dave,40000:23:09,810 --> 00:23:12,180then all of a sudden clicksomething happens and I get an40100:23:12,180 --> 00:23:15,240email and that is kind of coolbecause the emails automated and40200:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,260says Hey, your node hasn't doneanything in two weeks. You gotta40300:23:19,260 --> 00:23:22,380go kick it and that's theproblem is what are what what am40400:23:22,380 --> 00:23:24,240I kicking and why? Why is itdoing?40500:23:26,550 --> 00:23:30,030What I kicked the dog it was Idid see that's the thing that I40600:23:30,180 --> 00:23:33,930get when when we first starteddistributing the podcast index40700:23:33,930 --> 00:23:38,460database on a weekly basis. Withthe first way we did that was40800:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,590through IPFS it's like okay,we're gonna make this thing40900:23:40,620 --> 00:23:43,920decentralized. Am I right? Yeah.And we're gonna go straight to41000:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,580IPFS41100:23:44,610 --> 00:23:47,880Wow, DD is what are you what'swrong with you where you've been41200:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,630hanging out41300:23:49,560 --> 00:23:58,650Tik Tok. The the, but then, so Ihave a, I had to write a neck41400:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,850necromancer script that wouldjust watch IPFS all day long in41500:24:02,910 --> 00:24:06,330and bounce it every time itfails. And so that's what was41600:24:06,330 --> 00:24:08,610happening. It would just stopresponding, and I would bounce41700:24:08,610 --> 00:24:11,490it or it would crash and I wouldhave to restart it. So I get an41800:24:11,490 --> 00:24:15,600email and at least four or fivetimes a week at BFS and Damon41900:24:16,110 --> 00:24:18,510has to be restarted for somereason. I just can't I can't42000:24:18,510 --> 00:24:21,390that's not that's not enough.That's not good enough. No,42100:24:21,419 --> 00:24:24,239yeah. Yeah. And am I testing theway to really improve the42200:24:24,239 --> 00:24:26,039reliability involvescentralizing it through42300:24:26,039 --> 00:24:33,359Cloudflare and then at thatpoint HTTP and I'm not a big fan42400:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,789of the filecoin shenaniganseither. I gotta be honest, I42500:24:35,789 --> 00:24:36,629don't like that. Yeah, but42600:24:36,630 --> 00:24:39,390that's completely separate. Youdon't have to integrate that and42700:24:39,450 --> 00:24:44,820I don't I think their motivesare pure. But there are others42800:24:44,820 --> 00:24:47,880guys but there's there are somepeople out there who have42900:24:47,910 --> 00:24:52,620different ideas. Alright, justwith the with the with the coin43000:24:52,620 --> 00:24:56,940aspects. I don't know. I mean,that old coin seem to have43100:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,660fallen out of favor at themoment. Ain't no wonder Oh43200:25:00,660 --> 00:25:05,040yeah, I guess I'm just wantingto get a Linux unplugged or and43300:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,680I'm just wanting to get thoselive notifications on my phone.43400:25:08,460 --> 00:25:12,630Yeah, it really would be thatthat is one of the things I want43500:25:12,630 --> 00:25:15,180the most, I think that's such agreat idea. And that's when I43600:25:15,180 --> 00:25:18,720was talking about how I feelsort of silly for sending people43700:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,210outside the podcast app for somany years to watch the live43800:25:21,210 --> 00:25:24,450stream. And it just makes somuch sense because they're my43900:25:24,450 --> 00:25:26,790subscribers, they're alreadysubscribed to my podcast. So44000:25:26,790 --> 00:25:29,190it's gonna get, it's gonna getin front of a lot more people.44100:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,500And you'll look at the way thatthese apps are doing it. It's44200:25:31,500 --> 00:25:33,870not really obnoxious, they'redoing it in a really tasteful44300:25:33,870 --> 00:25:37,320way that makes it clear, this isa live show. I could see me44400:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,380messing up and not rememberingto pull the live item tag and44500:25:40,380 --> 00:25:42,570stuff like that. So I'mwondering about how I'm going to44600:25:42,570 --> 00:25:44,790build process around that justso I don't embarrass myself a44700:25:44,790 --> 00:25:45,060bunch of44800:25:45,060 --> 00:25:47,970times. Oh, dude, wait, waituntil you leave the stream on it44900:25:47,970 --> 00:25:50,490or just chatting after the showfor an hour. I mean, that's,45000:25:50,490 --> 00:25:52,050that's my favorite. I've donethat.45100:25:52,410 --> 00:25:54,960I don't actually know if this istrue. But I have been told by45200:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,290multiple audience members that Ileft the stream going well, my45300:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,590wife at the time was having ourthird child at home.45400:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,500And no one recorded it.45500:26:04,889 --> 00:26:07,049I don't know, it may be out itwas years ago,45600:26:07,260 --> 00:26:11,160there's at least three, threescripts that run out in the45700:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,790space somewhere. And the minuteI fire up the live stream, they45800:26:14,790 --> 00:26:18,690start recording, and then I havethese emails, I can send an45900:26:18,690 --> 00:26:22,080email, and then it'll send me alink to the recording in case my46000:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,720own recording screws up. Yeah,there's all kinds of cool.46100:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,890That's value for value, man.That's how it works. Yeah. So46200:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,620just about the mix, if you don'tmind, because we have some46300:26:31,620 --> 00:26:37,440advertising stuff to talk about.You don't do any network ads. I46400:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,170mean, you know, like, do youwork with ad networks? Is it46500:26:40,170 --> 00:26:42,030really with companiesindividually?46600:26:42,540 --> 00:26:45,270Yeah, I just go direct with thecompany. Okay. You know, I just46700:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,110do sales myself.46800:26:49,470 --> 00:26:52,620Okay, and you do sales for thewhole network? Yes. Well,46900:26:53,010 --> 00:26:56,340yeah. I mean, I'm on the showsfor the most part. So it just47000:26:56,340 --> 00:26:58,140seemed it just got off and I dothe reads.47100:26:58,170 --> 00:27:02,100But it's so interesting, becauseas we see value for value moving47200:27:02,100 --> 00:27:07,140in one direction, and I thinkads are becoming more of a47300:27:07,140 --> 00:27:12,210problem, there's certainly goingto be less, less demand in for47400:27:12,210 --> 00:27:16,320the next foreseeable time.That's just what happens in in a47500:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,220down market. And I know thatthis is not just from numbers47600:27:20,220 --> 00:27:23,940that float up on CNBC. You know,it's like my stepdaughter, your47700:27:23,940 --> 00:27:26,880entire department in a marketingcompany was let go, she's the47800:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,970only one left was like, Yeah,that's a promotion. Trust me.47900:27:31,350 --> 00:27:34,440Oh, yeah. I mean, it'syesterday. Now this is of course48000:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,030from CNBC. But snap is seen as abellwether for online48100:27:39,030 --> 00:27:41,820advertising, and they had ahorrible quarter, and you know,48200:27:41,820 --> 00:27:44,910their stock is down 38% Orsomething today, and that48300:27:44,910 --> 00:27:48,660affects everybody. And it'strue, it's just there's less48400:27:48,660 --> 00:27:51,030money being spent, you see iteverywhere on in the marketing48500:27:51,030 --> 00:27:55,110and advertising business. Sowhile this is taking place, we48600:27:55,110 --> 00:27:59,610have Netflix who are purestreaming, and you know, pay48700:27:59,610 --> 00:28:02,490your pay your one time fee,which they've Of course, raised48800:28:02,490 --> 00:28:09,060several times. And they're nowlooking at, at probably at best48900:28:09,060 --> 00:28:14,640a hybrid model of a lower permonth fee, and you get some ads.49000:28:15,060 --> 00:28:17,640And in the midst of all this, Iheard a really interesting49100:28:17,640 --> 00:28:25,950statistic, which is the amountof money each, the average49200:28:25,950 --> 00:28:31,050Netflix customer is spending perminute. They watched Netflix.49300:28:31,890 --> 00:28:36,150And this was a and what do youthink it is that you know, for49400:28:36,150 --> 00:28:39,930whatever you pay? What is itthese days? 15 bucks, 17? I have49500:28:39,930 --> 00:28:45,630no idea. You pay that per month,and you consume an X amount of49600:28:45,630 --> 00:28:49,620time of content in time. What doyou think it is per minute that49700:28:49,620 --> 00:28:52,260That breaks down to if you ifyou divide your streaming49800:28:52,260 --> 00:28:54,960minutes by your monthly spend?49900:28:55,260 --> 00:29:00,690Oh, man, I'm gonna say I'm gonnasay faster. 10 cents a minute.50000:29:00,780 --> 00:29:02,130Okay. Oh,50100:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,850Chris, because the tricky thinghere right is some of these50200:29:05,850 --> 00:29:08,190Netflix subscribers are kind ofdegenerates, they just binge50300:29:08,190 --> 00:29:10,140this stuff. So they could bewatching hours and hours and50400:29:10,140 --> 00:29:12,540hours at a time, which wouldlower the overall average. So50500:29:13,290 --> 00:29:16,890I'm gonna say I'm gonna gocrazy, and I'm gonna go 99 cents50600:29:16,890 --> 00:29:17,220a minute.50700:29:17,879 --> 00:29:20,969All right, everybody, pleasebooster Graham, your guesses?50800:29:20,969 --> 00:29:24,209And I'll give the solution alittle bit later on.50900:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,580Price this price is right rulesare we going for51000:29:30,120 --> 00:29:36,540$1 $1? One half of a penny.Whoa, for the penny and one half51100:29:36,540 --> 00:29:42,960of a penny. Now if you and sothat's what people want to watch51200:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,890because they're watching it.51300:29:45,090 --> 00:29:48,090That's that's permitted. That'spermitted permitted. Okay. So51400:29:48,090 --> 00:29:48,270that51500:29:48,270 --> 00:29:50,610would be the same as 20 sets perminute.51600:29:51,810 --> 00:29:54,450Well, that's almost what, whatthe default is51700:29:54,480 --> 00:30:01,800exactly. So But what'sinteresting is People send 1051800:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,800times as much in value for value10 times. So I just can't make51900:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,560Netflix's numbers work, youknow, and then they can either52000:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,470then, you know, they're a debtbased company, they've never52100:30:13,470 --> 00:30:17,910been profitable. Spotify is inthe same boat. But when it52200:30:17,910 --> 00:30:21,810breaks down to numbers like thatwe're seeing a real market that52300:30:21,810 --> 00:30:25,950we've created that is moreprofitable is more fun, and does52400:30:25,950 --> 00:30:30,630not come with interruptive adsor doesn't have to. It's fine.52500:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,700And then and then there's thisbig Well, big. There's a paper52600:30:35,700 --> 00:30:45,300that went out 20 page 18 pagesfrom the IAB labs, labs. It's52700:30:45,300 --> 00:30:50,040from the lab. I didn't know theyhad a lab. Yeah, I immediately I52800:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,970see guys with lab coats in myhead from the legs. Exactly. And52900:30:53,970 --> 00:30:56,220I read it. I read this paper,because I heard a lot of53000:30:56,220 --> 00:31:01,140different people talking aboutit. And and did you guys read53100:31:01,140 --> 00:31:02,550it? Do you know what this isabout?53200:31:02,850 --> 00:31:04,980I read the first three pages.Yeah. Oh.53300:31:05,310 --> 00:31:11,490So the Add issue is it's reallyone thing Apple has, has an A53400:31:11,490 --> 00:31:14,880private VPN service that theyhave enabled for Safari that you53500:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,390can enable for Safari, whichcloaks you which means IP53600:31:18,390 --> 00:31:20,850address and geolocation, a wholebunch of other things are no53700:31:20,850 --> 00:31:25,350longer available throughneurotypical web detection53800:31:25,350 --> 00:31:29,700technologies, HTTP type stuff.So the log files won't be53900:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,120complete. And it doesn't affecttheir podcast app at the moment.54000:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,040But the fear is, they would turnthat on across the entire TCP IP54100:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,580stack. And it would, you know,it would also hide IP addresses54200:31:41,580 --> 00:31:48,000for apps, which would mean, theway I read it, the podcast54300:31:48,000 --> 00:31:56,610industry would collapse. Done.If would collapse. And it's sad54400:31:56,610 --> 00:32:00,660to see that once again, Q andthis is a pretty big group. And54500:32:00,660 --> 00:32:03,060there's some bigger names inthere than in the past when it54600:32:03,060 --> 00:32:06,300just came to lobbying Apple todo stuff. But they're, it's the54700:32:06,300 --> 00:32:10,050same thing. I'm seeing a repeat,let's get together. Let's put a54800:32:10,050 --> 00:32:12,840paper together. Let's, let'shave some meetings, let's work54900:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,490on a document. And without evenI mean yet kind of asked at the55000:32:17,490 --> 00:32:21,660end, say Happy Apple, could youplease come to the table. This55100:32:21,660 --> 00:32:25,140is a failed strategy. We knowthis won't work. Now Apple may55200:32:25,140 --> 00:32:30,210never change it, but just lookat your business. This is and55300:32:31,590 --> 00:32:34,110look at your business and tellme that this is not incredibly55400:32:34,110 --> 00:32:38,400risky, incredibly risky, Applecould just wake up and just have55500:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,910a different CEO or whatever anddecide mas Screw it. And we're55600:32:41,910 --> 00:32:44,040just we're only going to promotesubscription based stuff or55700:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,470whatever they whatever theywould want to do Spotify, I55800:32:46,470 --> 00:32:50,670think, doesn't care at all. Tome, if it's more advantageous to55900:32:50,670 --> 00:32:55,380them, though, they'll, you know,they don't care. I mean, I think56000:32:55,380 --> 00:32:59,310Spotify is happy, they they knowwho their customers are. And56100:32:59,340 --> 00:33:03,630everybody else, you know, itseems like the and it's not just56200:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,210about geolocation. It's aboutattribution. It's about knowing56300:33:06,210 --> 00:33:08,700who you are. And let's be honestabout it. This is their56400:33:08,700 --> 00:33:12,750collecting data. This is whatthis is what a cast does. The a56500:33:12,750 --> 00:33:16,380cast is probably really smart tomake that acquisition, because56600:33:16,380 --> 00:33:18,510now at least they haveregistered customers. And it's56700:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,630not just some IP addresses thatare out in space.56800:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,920Yeah, I think I think a castwants to be that I mentioned56900:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,570this to you the other day, Ithink they want to be and this57000:33:27,570 --> 00:33:30,810is not meant as a, I don't meanthis as a slam, but they want to57100:33:30,810 --> 00:33:35,250be the Spotify of RSS, of openRSS, they, they want to57200:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,980essentially have the full stack,top to bottom. But but using57300:33:40,980 --> 00:33:45,390RSS, instead of going the siloedapproach where we're This57400:33:45,390 --> 00:33:50,400modifies my, my opinion, I'vebeen refining this opinion for a57500:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,670while, you know, I said a whileback that I anchor was going to57600:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,190go away as a brand, I thinkwhat's ultimately going to57700:33:56,190 --> 00:34:00,030happen. And the more I thinkabout it, I think Spotify is57800:34:00,030 --> 00:34:03,540just gonna get out of the podquote unquote, podcasting game,57900:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,530pretty much in June. And what Imean by that is, they may still58000:34:07,530 --> 00:34:10,170call them podcasts. But whatthey're gonna have is they're58100:34:10,170 --> 00:34:13,110just going to have exclusiveshows. And they're not going to58200:34:13,110 --> 00:34:18,390be RSS involved around it. Sothey're just going to have this58300:34:18,420 --> 00:34:21,450essentially this privateinternal stuff they're going to58400:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520they're going to own megaphoneand these other voices on the58500:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,940side, so they can capture someof this revenue coming out of58600:34:27,060 --> 00:34:31,440successful podcast shows as faras advertising revenue goes. But58700:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,810I think that a cast, so I kindof think in in five years,58800:34:37,110 --> 00:34:39,600Spotify is going to be sort of anon entity when it comes to58900:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,440Podcast, the podcast industry asa whole may eat those words. But59000:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,950that's that's59100:34:43,949 --> 00:34:47,369my I don't see how they can lastfive years without raising more59200:34:47,369 --> 00:34:51,929money. And a cast is also one ofthese baffling companies. They59300:34:51,959 --> 00:34:55,769had 100 and I think they'veraised $130 million. Okay, it's59400:34:55,769 --> 00:34:58,889respectable, you know, overseveral rounds. They spent59500:34:58,889 --> 00:35:01,139clearly spent some of that Wedon't know if was cash or in59600:35:01,139 --> 00:35:06,869stock on? What's the name of thecompany that bought? Purchased59700:35:06,929 --> 00:35:09,989pod chaser? I don't know ifthey've done other acquisitions,59800:35:09,989 --> 00:35:13,769but now they had what they calla listening app. And that was59900:35:13,799 --> 00:35:16,199only the beginning of the year.And then there's Oh, no, we're60000:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,559shutting that down. And it's allfree. It's all for the best.60100:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,589Well, I guess no one cared aboutthe app. And then they do. And60200:35:22,589 --> 00:35:26,609now they're an ad based company,they bought a, a database so60300:35:26,609 --> 00:35:30,749that they can know more aboutpodcast listeners to target ads60400:35:31,139 --> 00:35:34,799better. And you know, we'reserving the open ecosystem, but60500:35:35,069 --> 00:35:39,029we've changed our app to a castplus, and you can turn off the60600:35:39,029 --> 00:35:42,689ads and just have your listenerssubscribe and pay you directly.60700:35:43,079 --> 00:35:43,829So it's the60800:35:43,830 --> 00:35:47,250full span. That's the full stackSpotify model. Yeah, but you but60900:35:47,250 --> 00:35:49,110I built an RSS, but that61000:35:49,110 --> 00:35:52,770means that you're that you don'thave a lot of confidence in your61100:35:52,770 --> 00:35:56,700advertising model, because youneed the inventory. Yeah, and if61200:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,970your inventory keeps going away,because the going private and by61300:35:59,970 --> 00:36:02,880subscription, I just that's tome is baffling.61400:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,660Yeah, they're, they're, they'rekilling one one part of the61500:36:06,660 --> 00:36:08,970business to grow another part ofthe business that they hope will61600:36:08,970 --> 00:36:11,040be a reoccurring revenue, itmust be the math that they're61700:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,340doing. It seems like any ofthese ad deals at massive scale61800:36:14,670 --> 00:36:19,410are going to be the absolutelydevastated in any kind of61900:36:19,710 --> 00:36:22,680economic drawdown you know, ifwe have a recession here in the62000:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,610States, or a recession in thearound the world, these kinds of62100:36:26,610 --> 00:36:30,030bulk ad deals where they sell abunch at once and they do them62200:36:30,030 --> 00:36:32,760across multiple shows, these arethe first to die. These are what62300:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,920they sell for dynamic insertionsto write.62400:36:36,390 --> 00:36:40,470Dynamic and search and CP,everybody's this is like ad62500:36:40,470 --> 00:36:40,950talk, we62600:36:40,950 --> 00:36:45,540never do know, it's important todo it once in a while. The dai62700:36:45,540 --> 00:36:49,620stuff that dynamic ad insertionCPMs have come have come up in62800:36:49,620 --> 00:36:53,520recent in recent times, andgotten gotten a little bit62900:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,200higher. Heard TOS say thatthey're like half of what a what63000:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,160a host read read is, which isnot great. But I mean, as far as63100:37:02,190 --> 00:37:05,730its historical value is bigger.So kind of get everybody63200:37:05,730 --> 00:37:09,390excited, oh, maybe dominant MCads can work. But in a, in a63300:37:09,390 --> 00:37:12,180downturn where advertisingsuffers, the dynamic stuff is63400:37:12,180 --> 00:37:14,670going to take a hit immediately.I mean, like this stuff is gonna63500:37:14,670 --> 00:37:15,630go right back down.63600:37:15,660 --> 00:37:19,620And right now they have 47,000creators, as they call it, which63700:37:19,620 --> 00:37:22,470includes the BBC, so I guessthey don't own at least all of63800:37:22,470 --> 00:37:26,010them. And, you know, becausethey have to approve them, the63900:37:26,010 --> 00:37:31,800whole website for a cast is allabout brand safety, etc, etc,64000:37:31,830 --> 00:37:35,100managing your expectations as anadvertiser. So that's very64100:37:35,100 --> 00:37:38,340difficult. And so you know, thatis just a fraction of the this64200:37:38,340 --> 00:37:43,410is not going to be for everypodcast to make money. And what64300:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,760what I found kind of weak ingeneral and me that took them 1864400:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,160pages to say Apple, could youplease talk to us because we got64500:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,070a problem. That's really whatthey were saying Apple we have a64600:37:53,070 --> 00:37:55,800real problem here and and justlet us know, are you going to64700:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,590screw us give us a timeline, weneed to know we've got to fix64800:37:58,590 --> 00:38:01,350stuff. And it will take thatbefore someone actually does64900:38:01,350 --> 00:38:06,390something not dissimilar topodcasting. 2.0. So they throw65000:38:06,390 --> 00:38:09,840in like, well, this will yieldless content will be created.65100:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,960This is bad for diversity inpodcasting. At that point, my65200:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,400head goes down. I'm like, comeon. Podcasting is one of the65300:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,180most diverse mediums you canever imagine. So don't do that.65400:38:21,180 --> 00:38:24,480Just the problem is Apple justneeds to help them out. Now.65500:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,460This this problem, by the waywas solved. You Alex gates and I65600:38:29,460 --> 00:38:32,760think Cridland Dave, you guyscame up with a whole schema for65700:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,590this that solve this veryproblem.65800:38:35,190 --> 00:38:36,780Are you are you Timothy? Uli, do65900:38:36,780 --> 00:38:37,860you lie? Yeah,66000:38:37,890 --> 00:38:40,470that was dos. Dan, me and DanBen.66100:38:40,470 --> 00:38:41,310Oh, Dan Benjamin, I'm66200:38:41,310 --> 00:38:44,310sorry. Yeah. And I put that outthere because not because it's66300:38:44,310 --> 00:38:46,710sour grapes or anything likethat. I don't really care about66400:38:46,710 --> 00:38:51,360this. But I mean, the, but it isit is a point to make where66500:38:51,870 --> 00:38:55,170there are I mean, this wastalked about this is not I mean,66600:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,050we this was talked about beforeBrian Barletta joined the join66700:39:01,050 --> 00:39:07,320the IB group. And he went inthere with the intent to talk66800:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,830about this problem. And that wasliterally like a year ago that66900:39:10,830 --> 00:39:14,160was last year's Podcast Movementthat we that man Dan did this67000:39:14,190 --> 00:39:20,370right. And and then it has takena year just to get it. I'm going67100:39:20,370 --> 00:39:23,700to use this to lead intosomething if I can. It took a67200:39:23,700 --> 00:39:28,470year evidently for the IB tojust produce a paper saying that67300:39:28,470 --> 00:39:35,460there's a problem. Like, yes. Inwhat I'm leading into, is this67400:39:35,460 --> 00:39:39,990is the problem with standardsbodies and working groups. So67500:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,180and I heard I heard Todd on.This is going to be important. I67600:39:45,180 --> 00:39:49,590want your input on this. Chris,the our Tod on their own new67700:39:49,590 --> 00:39:52,860media show talking about he saidyou know the pocket podcasting67800:39:52,860 --> 00:39:56,5502.0 Folks, they need to, youknow, start to develop this into67900:39:56,550 --> 00:39:59,340a group and do all these kindsof things. And my first reaction68000:39:59,340 --> 00:40:05,790was no No, no. Because here'sthe standards bodies and working68100:40:05,790 --> 00:40:11,130groups, they, they lead to thetype of stagnation like this68200:40:11,130 --> 00:40:15,120that we see. Here, here's thehere's the thing, we are guided68300:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,890by the rules for standardsmakers always have been. Rule68400:40:19,890 --> 00:40:24,150number one is interop is allthat matters. That's, that's the68500:40:24,150 --> 00:40:28,710guiding principle of everythingin podcasting. 2.0. And in my68600:40:28,710 --> 00:40:31,020opinion, should be the guidingprinciple and all open source68700:40:31,020 --> 00:40:36,360projects. But we, we don't buildin to flesh that out, we don't68800:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,500build new base protocols. So ifyou have a base protocol that68900:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,490you need to build something likeHTML, or something like that, I69000:40:44,490 --> 00:40:48,570can, I can understand a W threeC type organization. But for our69100:40:48,570 --> 00:40:52,860type of setup, where we're notbuilding necessarily base69200:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,640protocols, we're building glueprotocols, and interrupt specs69300:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,570to attach to existing specs andprotocols out there. So we're69400:41:00,570 --> 00:41:04,770taking RSS and attaching it toactivity pub, taking RSS and69500:41:04,770 --> 00:41:09,750attaching it to lightning,taking RSS and attaching it to69600:41:09,750 --> 00:41:14,040blockchains and pod pain, whenwe were doing then we can move69700:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,420fast. And we don't have to havea huge cumbersome working group.69800:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,280Because the failure, the anyfailures, quote, unquote, that69900:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,520we could experience are notthere. There, there's a limited70000:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,750blast radius there because thisis just glue, we can we can70100:41:30,750 --> 00:41:36,120resolve the spec as a as as anenhancement. So the any anything70200:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,110like Do you Do you agree withthat? And, Chris, I mean,70300:41:40,140 --> 00:41:43,200because I think that I thinksome stay in the Linux world a70400:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,650lot. There's people are takingdistros and then adding stuff to70500:41:46,650 --> 00:41:48,360it, and they can move so fast.70600:41:50,130 --> 00:41:53,070You said something in there,that stuck with me because i i70700:41:53,100 --> 00:41:57,150And I think I just realized Isee it more as an open source70800:41:57,150 --> 00:42:00,960project. It's not like a one toone because it's it's more about70900:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,510creating standards and ways ofdoing things. But if you look at71000:42:06,510 --> 00:42:09,240it from a community organizingstandpoint it very much is71100:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,000because you have developers inthe podcast apps that need to71200:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,390adopt new things that are beingcreated. And you need consensus71300:42:15,390 --> 00:42:18,870in that community, which thispodcast helps drive consensus in71400:42:18,870 --> 00:42:22,470a community that is developingopen code and open standards. So71500:42:22,740 --> 00:42:25,140it's more of a project than itis a standard Well, there's,71600:42:25,410 --> 00:42:28,710there's something, there's acouple of things. And this is71700:42:28,710 --> 00:42:31,680probably by far the mostrewarding, most fun, most71800:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,320successful project or companyI've ever worked in, in my71900:42:34,320 --> 00:42:41,070entire career. And, of course,it's a complete 100% vow of72000:42:41,070 --> 00:42:47,250poverty. But that, but that is akey and critical factor. And the72100:42:47,250 --> 00:42:52,020project is open. I mean, thefact that most of the code is72200:42:52,020 --> 00:42:55,740open source is goes along withthat, but it's open. And it72300:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,710really is value for value.Because we started off by72400:42:58,710 --> 00:43:01,470saying, here's the value we'reputting in, we're going to do72500:43:01,470 --> 00:43:05,610this, and we're going to usethese tools for everybody to72600:43:05,610 --> 00:43:10,890collaborate. And so while GitHubis, is a must for code72700:43:10,890 --> 00:43:16,080development, having the Macedonserver, open it up to all, dare72800:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,190I say stakeholders, so thatpodcasters listeners,72900:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,660developers, interested justpeople who are interested, can73000:43:24,660 --> 00:43:29,940just drop by throw out an idea,have a conversation, argue a73100:43:29,940 --> 00:43:35,340point, whatever it is, but thecontinual reminder is nothing73200:43:35,340 --> 00:43:40,020works if we don't all put in thework. And that's that really is73300:43:40,020 --> 00:43:44,130value for value. And somehowthat seeped into this project in73400:43:44,130 --> 00:43:48,960such an enormous way. With Iwill say, my sincere73500:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,300appreciation to the many noagenda nation people who just73600:43:54,300 --> 00:43:58,800seem to be willing to risk theirrisk anything for any73700:43:58,830 --> 00:44:03,750embarrassment doesn't matter tothem. You know, look, look at73800:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,660you know, just just look at someof the some of the podcasters,73900:44:06,660 --> 00:44:08,550who would just you know, therunning with scissors fits74000:44:08,550 --> 00:44:14,550perfectly. So Biden by nothaving a an organization a74100:44:14,550 --> 00:44:19,020structure. We still haveleadership Dave is is complete74200:44:19,050 --> 00:44:23,130code leadership, but he's alsothe kind of person who empowers74300:44:23,130 --> 00:44:31,980lots of other people. And thatcombination of letting people74400:44:32,220 --> 00:44:36,030just go, you know, here's some,here's our constitution rules74500:44:36,030 --> 00:44:41,100for standards maker, makers. Andnow don't be a dick. And then74600:44:41,100 --> 00:44:45,510that kind of works. That's thecharter. Yeah, it is. It truly74700:44:45,510 --> 00:44:48,570is, you know, run with scissors.You know, if you get scraped,74800:44:48,570 --> 00:44:51,150we'll all know we'll all patchup together, you know, put a74900:44:51,150 --> 00:44:54,240bandaid on it give you a kissand a hug. And then we move on.75000:44:55,830 --> 00:44:58,920I mean, we laugh, right. But,Dave, you mean you and I have75100:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,730not conspired? It was I mean Ithink about this a lot all well75200:45:02,730 --> 00:45:06,420I would say that the the reasonwhy all this works when you75300:45:06,420 --> 00:45:09,450bring it together is because ofthe podcast the podcast the75400:45:09,450 --> 00:45:12,840board meeting that's reallywhere everything that comes75500:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,500together we everyone you knowyou can get your hour and a half75600:45:16,530 --> 00:45:19,410update once a week you know forsome people high ROI it's a75700:45:19,410 --> 00:45:22,170lifestyle roi i think Roy goesto sleep listening to us.75800:45:22,950 --> 00:45:26,550Oh, okay. That's why he couldn'tthat's why he said but yes, he75900:45:26,550 --> 00:45:27,150couldn't sleep he76000:45:27,150 --> 00:45:30,750couldn't sleep when when wemissed the show. He's it's very76100:45:30,750 --> 00:45:34,980disruptive. It's a good night'ssleep tonight. And so although76200:45:34,980 --> 00:45:38,190all those things together showyou the power and look at what76300:45:38,190 --> 00:45:43,680what has been achieved in justtwo years, from from an idea to76400:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,710a major hosting companyincorporating wallets to there76500:45:49,710 --> 00:45:53,730being multiple wallet providersto you know, all of the tags76600:45:53,730 --> 00:45:57,060that all the different hostingcompanies have have put into the76700:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,230services the apps I mean, thisis this is not just a small76800:46:01,230 --> 00:46:03,900little thing this is anunstoppable train. I've seen76900:46:03,900 --> 00:46:06,150this before it was calledpodcasting.77000:46:08,370 --> 00:46:13,650The here's so here's my withthat as the as the framework.77100:46:14,910 --> 00:46:22,470Here is my proposal so to speak.The pregnant pause in the pew is77200:46:22,470 --> 00:46:22,830just77300:46:23,790 --> 00:46:26,790your professional podcast or youfelt a common you let it go77400:46:26,880 --> 00:46:27,300beautiful.77500:46:30,330 --> 00:46:40,410I did the I want to propose thatwe do something called the77600:46:40,410 --> 00:46:47,850podcast improvement proposalsystem. This is this is why do77700:46:47,850 --> 00:46:53,100you grow? Because this grown?You're gonna love it. You're77800:46:53,100 --> 00:46:53,760gonna love it.77900:46:53,850 --> 00:46:56,970I'll just tell you why I had thegrown is because78000:46:57,060 --> 00:46:59,460I feel like I just kicked a legout from under your chair and78100:46:59,460 --> 00:47:00,840you just run on the floor.78200:47:01,590 --> 00:47:05,610It first of all, what was theacronym? Is it Pip? Pip? Okay,78300:47:05,610 --> 00:47:10,050yeah, right off the bat. I gotan any from that. But it's okay.78400:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,040I can I can hold back on thePIP. It also kind of reminded me78500:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,430of a blip, which is near whatthe Lightning Network proposal78600:47:17,430 --> 00:47:21,060or whatever, whatever thoseproposals are. So it was just it78700:47:21,060 --> 00:47:24,630was just a visceral reaction.It's my shit. It's my problem is78800:47:24,630 --> 00:47:27,180childhood trauma. I'm going towork on it.78900:47:27,420 --> 00:47:30,180No pizza or in the chest. Isthis a podcast improvement79000:47:30,180 --> 00:47:31,290movement proposal as79100:47:35,070 --> 00:47:38,070we're talking I'm all in on thisDave do tell about the pimp79200:47:38,070 --> 00:47:38,550system.79300:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,270Okay, I just I just renamed itofficially. It's now we got a79400:47:42,270 --> 00:47:43,530trademark is called pimp.79500:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,310Podcast. I'm writing it down.Improvement we're79600:47:47,310 --> 00:47:49,770meeting to make it to make this79700:47:50,850 --> 00:47:53,970podcast improvement movement.Was it podcast improvement79800:47:53,970 --> 00:47:54,630movement?79900:47:55,020 --> 00:47:58,200Point, let's just say podcastI'm proposing and moving80000:47:58,200 --> 00:48:05,490proposal or something like that?Yeah. Okay. Here's the and I'm80100:48:05,490 --> 00:48:09,570opening the floor fordiscussion. This is the the80200:48:09,570 --> 00:48:13,920idea. There is no working group.There is no standard bodies. And80300:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,260thank god, there's not and wedon't want any of that stuff.80400:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,120The this because they allinvolve meetings and boring80500:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,850things that makes us want to goto sleep. We want to change the80600:48:23,850 --> 00:48:27,630world without having anymeetings. So yes.80700:48:30,180 --> 00:48:30,960Writing down one80800:48:32,520 --> 00:48:39,240meeting. Okay, so here's, here'swhat, this is not really80900:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,180different than what it currentlyis. It's just a way to make it81000:48:42,180 --> 00:48:46,290make more sense to the outsideworld, because we got an issue81100:48:46,380 --> 00:48:50,400filed on the on the namespacerepo, and somebody who is a81200:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,970developer, and he said, Youknow, I really don't know how to81300:48:53,970 --> 00:48:57,540submit a proposal. Is there atemplate somewhere? Like, how do81400:48:57,540 --> 00:49:02,310I go about submitting a proposalfor a namespace tag? In okay, I81500:49:02,310 --> 00:49:07,170thought, Okay. That's a problembecause it's not just the81600:49:07,170 --> 00:49:11,760namespace. Podcasting. 2.0 islots of different things,81700:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,360podcasting, podcasting. 2.0 isways to improve podcasting,81800:49:15,390 --> 00:49:19,650infrastructure and technologyperiod. That could be namespace,81900:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,880that could be anything. So Ifill out what we need is a82000:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,710website or some sort ofinterface to this says, where82100:49:28,710 --> 00:49:32,910you can file a proposal, you cansubmit a proposal, it gets82200:49:32,940 --> 00:49:36,630assigned a number, just like aGitHub repo issue. It gets82300:49:36,630 --> 00:49:41,250assigned a number. And thenpeople, everybody knows that82400:49:41,250 --> 00:49:45,030this is the place to look atthese proposals. And it can be82500:49:45,030 --> 00:49:49,080somebody somebody can come alongand say, You know what? I wish82600:49:49,260 --> 00:49:53,070that, that there was a pot thatpodcast apps would do such and82700:49:53,070 --> 00:49:57,450such. That thing becomes aproposal. Everybody can see it82800:49:57,450 --> 00:50:00,330app developers can go and lookat and say oh, that's Cool,82900:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,930maybe I'll add that to my app.Or this isn't Oh, this is83000:50:03,930 --> 00:50:07,080probably a namespace tag. Let'sLet's slide this over and make83100:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,040it an official namespace.83200:50:09,060 --> 00:50:13,920A pimp, a pimp would be atemplate that you fill out when83300:50:14,850 --> 00:50:17,850the flow would be. So someonecome in, say, Hey, I wish that83400:50:17,850 --> 00:50:22,740my podcast player could do this.And here's my thinking about it.83500:50:22,740 --> 00:50:27,630And then we can say, Oh, youneed to file a pimp. He's filed83600:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,830a pimp go over here and fill outthe fields. Is that Is that what83700:50:31,830 --> 00:50:32,160I'm here?83800:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,220There'll be a pimp Review Board?Oh, hell yeah.83900:50:36,690 --> 00:50:42,060Yes, we will review all pimp orpin tickets. And Pam ticketing84000:50:42,060 --> 00:50:46,290system. Yes, as MD, she says.And so like, you look, everybody84100:50:46,290 --> 00:50:49,320gets to look at a pin at thepump tickets. And then you fire84200:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,760them off to whoever it makessense like this is you could the84300:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,910person doing the proposal cansay this is an app. This is an84400:50:56,910 --> 00:51:01,320app proposal, or a host can saythis is a this is a namespace84500:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,240proposal, or somebody like Chrisas a as a broadcaster can come84600:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,140in and say, I wish that my hostthat hosting companies would do84700:51:10,140 --> 00:51:13,500such and such and that becomes ahost proposal. So you didn't84800:51:13,530 --> 00:51:18,960then the respective partiesinvolved. App developers hosting84900:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,920companies, advertisers, whoeverthe hell it is, can come in85000:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,080there and look at their, at theat the the they can they can85100:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,100look at what the world is tryingto tell them that they want it85200:51:32,100 --> 00:51:36,090specific to them, and then theycan make decisions about oh,85300:51:36,090 --> 00:51:39,180this is okay. Evidently, thesepeople want this. This is a85400:51:39,180 --> 00:51:41,010great idea. I can stick it in myapp.85500:51:42,750 --> 00:51:47,070I like this idea. I like theidea of pimp slapping a bad85600:51:47,070 --> 00:51:47,790idea.85700:51:51,930 --> 00:51:54,750I just want to I just wantsomebody to propose something.85800:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,790And so that I can call it like,refer to it as like pimp. 12 You85900:51:59,790 --> 00:52:05,670know, we're voting on today onon pin 33 As you want that I86000:52:05,670 --> 00:52:07,860want the satisfaction personallythat86100:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,520I like it, I think I think isgreat. Who's going to build it?86200:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,980Someone will build this. Someoneout there is going to build this86300:52:13,980 --> 00:52:16,680real quick. It seems simple. Imean, I could I could whip this86400:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,180up, but I got some other stuffto do.86500:52:18,569 --> 00:52:21,359You could do it in rockin withheadless86600:52:21,390 --> 00:52:25,500No, no, no, no, baby. No, no.Next dot j s, this is the shit86700:52:25,500 --> 00:52:28,410now. This is what I'm learning.Now. Next. Jas, this is what all86800:52:28,410 --> 00:52:31,020the cool is doing. I don't knowAlex Gates told me that was a86900:52:31,020 --> 00:52:35,610better answer. I was like,react. And he's like, no, no,87000:52:35,610 --> 00:52:40,380man, I was using next.js. Okay,next job. Jas, just this is how87100:52:40,380 --> 00:52:43,650I used to do meetings withacronyms and we bullshit. That's87200:52:43,650 --> 00:52:46,380why like podcast, improvingmovement proposal. Yes, these87300:52:46,380 --> 00:52:47,250are very important.87400:52:47,850 --> 00:52:51,870I mean, I think this is I thinkthis is a good substitute to it87500:52:51,870 --> 00:52:55,260solves problems and itformalizes the thing in a way87600:52:55,260 --> 00:52:58,050that the world understands thatwe still don't have to have87700:52:58,050 --> 00:52:58,590meetings.87800:52:59,550 --> 00:53:02,310I love that idea. Dave Jones,you're such a smart man.87900:53:03,990 --> 00:53:06,630I just shot my wad. I mean, I'mdone. I'm done. Well, a88000:53:06,630 --> 00:53:09,840recent pimper That wasimplement, implement, implement,88100:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,160implement, implemented,implemented. And thanks, this88200:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,730commentary blogger for thetranscript Download Now.88300:53:18,150 --> 00:53:20,460Available at podcasts.index.org.88400:53:20,970 --> 00:53:24,900Yes, that's pretty cool. Itneeds a viewer though of some88500:53:24,900 --> 00:53:25,500sort. Like, I88600:53:25,500 --> 00:53:32,220know, I hit it on my phone andmy phone goes, No. Yes. You can88700:53:32,220 --> 00:53:34,020associate it with a text reader,I88800:53:34,020 --> 00:53:36,990think. Do you do you dotranscripts on any of your88900:53:36,990 --> 00:53:37,260shows?89000:53:37,470 --> 00:53:38,970You guys got transcripts? I'veseen him?89100:53:39,419 --> 00:53:41,579We've been playing with them forwell, basically, since we89200:53:41,579 --> 00:53:44,399started trying to implement thepodcasting to know features been89300:53:44,399 --> 00:53:47,009trying the different services,you know, going through the89400:53:47,009 --> 00:53:49,679different cloud one's beenlooking for an open source one,89500:53:50,039 --> 00:53:53,369so I don't have a good systemyet. But yeah, I just feel like89600:53:53,369 --> 00:53:55,979if there's something out there,it's just a matter of technology89700:53:55,979 --> 00:53:58,619and finding the right one, so Ifeel like that's a solvable89800:53:58,619 --> 00:53:59,129problem.89900:53:59,790 --> 00:54:01,860Can I just read a couple ofthese booster grams because90000:54:01,860 --> 00:54:05,040people are responding to us inreal time just so we do a few of90100:54:05,040 --> 00:54:11,460these Yeah. Freudian slips stickit up your app 2222 Thank you. I90200:54:11,460 --> 00:54:15,900thought it was relevant. CareCarolyn 1000 SATs these pimp90300:54:15,900 --> 00:54:20,130meetings get me so energizedabout podcasting telling is this90400:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,490You name it right man and peoplewill flock to it. Darren90500:54:23,490 --> 00:54:24,720Oh corner on the show.90600:54:25,260 --> 00:54:26,070There are no90700:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,400corner. Yes.90800:54:30,690 --> 00:54:36,210Darren No. 54321 54,003 and 21sads pain My Vague random90900:54:36,210 --> 00:54:39,600thoughts is my fully podcasting2.0 enabled solo show oats and91000:54:39,600 --> 00:54:47,610add transcript. Oh no, he's it'sa he's chest thumping. Oh 2.091100:54:47,610 --> 00:54:50,580enabled transcripts chapterstreaming SAS whatever other91200:54:50,580 --> 00:54:53,520magical things you come up with.My voice is even silkier. Then91300:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,440Gregory William Forsyth formanceJC says I'm diluted but I'm91400:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,540pretty sure I'm just dilutedOkay,91500:55:01,050 --> 00:55:04,170Darren heard that there werecertain tags that Chris couldn't91600:55:04,170 --> 00:55:06,630implement so he just came by tokick right.91700:55:08,790 --> 00:55:12,930Go past the Go podcasting fromFlorida and slips. Let me see91800:55:12,930 --> 00:55:18,570pay tar This is when I want tomention 250,000 SATs.91900:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,480God Almighty. You get Can youcolor and the meat? Yeah. And oh92000:55:24,480 --> 00:55:24,660man.92100:55:24,689 --> 00:55:27,299Well, I mean, we don't know ifit's the baller of the show, but92200:55:27,299 --> 00:55:32,909of course, all right, we gottaroll it out. Oh man, Paola92300:55:33,299 --> 00:55:36,269booster gram reads Christmasunfiltered podcast is how I92400:55:36,269 --> 00:55:39,929found no agenda and no agendashow I found podcasting. 2.0 Love92500:55:39,929 --> 00:55:42,959and Light from Chris. Oh, loveand light. Chris. He says Pay92600:55:42,959 --> 00:55:44,039tar. Yeah,92700:55:44,070 --> 00:55:45,390that's true for Alex gates, too.92800:55:45,450 --> 00:55:48,360I forgot about the unfilteredpodcast. That was a good show.92900:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,970It's just it seemed like ashitload of production work that93000:55:50,970 --> 00:55:54,960was impossible to keep up with.You know it, you know it. And93100:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,450that's what John and I keptsaying, like, this is a great93200:55:57,450 --> 00:56:02,610show. But man, the amount ofediting they have to do is just93300:56:02,610 --> 00:56:03,180crazy. Oh,93400:56:03,180 --> 00:56:06,120no, I did a live it was juststill a ton of work it well.93500:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,520I thought you did a lot of thatin post. Oh, that was all live93600:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,290that impressive. Veryimpressive.93700:56:10,590 --> 00:56:13,140Still too much damn work,though. Yeah,93800:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,610but it was. I enjoyed it.Because I said what clips did93900:56:17,610 --> 00:56:22,290they take from me? Let me gosee. Which is why we publish94000:56:22,290 --> 00:56:25,680them by the way. This is we lovethat. It probably94100:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,950didn't happen it may have had.But you know, I think I heard on94200:56:28,950 --> 00:56:31,440the show. You gave me a hardtime for grabbing your bell but94300:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,930I have about I've had a realpile right here for you. That's94400:56:33,930 --> 00:56:37,080legit. That's real. Everybodyget your bows out.94500:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,660I got a real Bell. Give me abreak. I94600:56:39,660 --> 00:56:43,020was out bells out. Bells out.Hold on. Let me write that one94700:56:43,020 --> 00:56:44,250down. soundboard clip. It's94800:56:44,280 --> 00:56:51,840a real it's a real Bell man.She's Carolyn another. Missy94900:56:52,260 --> 00:56:56,5501111. Showing love to the LIVETAG chata for the 1000 Blueberry95000:56:56,550 --> 00:56:59,820with 10,000 at some point in thefuture will be possible to send95100:56:59,820 --> 00:57:02,640a boost that will play theTheramin live for you. Oh, okay,95200:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,240I guess like an importantcustomization of helipad. Dave,95300:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,990take note and you'll be able tocustomize the sound. Lehmann95400:57:09,990 --> 00:57:15,000creations 500 SATs for a selfiewith Dave. No, thanks.95500:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,270Appreciate it. Let's see whatother booster grams 21 692 from95600:57:21,270 --> 00:57:25,740Steve B. Steven B. He says Fiat$5.05 bucks for a server. Thank95700:57:25,740 --> 00:57:30,510you. And those I think are themain ones. Yeah, that's what's95800:57:30,510 --> 00:57:32,550been coming in since we've beenlive. Thank you, everybody.95900:57:32,580 --> 00:57:33,420Appreciate that?96000:57:34,860 --> 00:57:40,830How's it going? Chris? With withwithin income from boot from96100:57:40,830 --> 00:57:44,460boost? Have you seen it? Is itrising? Is it stable? Is it like96200:57:44,490 --> 00:57:47,520how are you? How are you? How doyou notice that going?96300:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,060So I've been doing someexperiments. I think when people96400:57:51,060 --> 00:57:54,480first get in, it tends to be alittle low as they're trying to,96500:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,300you know, just get a newunderstanding of what OSAT96600:57:57,330 --> 00:58:00,300equals and all of that. But acouple of the other things that96700:58:00,990 --> 00:58:06,240we've done to try to just notonly encourage adoption, but get96800:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,540people thinking about how muchthey're contributing, is for a96900:58:09,540 --> 00:58:12,780month. Last month, we were doinga split with open SATs, which97000:58:12,780 --> 00:58:15,630contributes 100% of the SATsthat they received to their97100:58:15,630 --> 00:58:18,720general fund to free softwareprojects. And so if you boost97200:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,280and we gave a 15% split to opensets, and I think that helped,97300:58:23,310 --> 00:58:25,470you know, and we're doing itagain, for one of our hosts97400:58:25,470 --> 00:58:27,660who's going to be doing sometraveling on the road to get97500:58:27,660 --> 00:58:29,640down to our studio to do someprojects. We're doing a split97600:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,620with him for a bit and so theaudience is contributing a97700:58:31,620 --> 00:58:34,110little bit more I think thanthey had in the past. I don't97800:58:34,110 --> 00:58:37,620know if I don't I don't thinkwe're at the spot where we're97900:58:37,620 --> 00:58:40,470making probably as much as we dowith the memberships. But it's98000:58:40,470 --> 00:58:44,250also I think early and I seemlike I feel like we're getting98100:58:44,250 --> 00:58:46,230more and more adoption. I feellike we're getting more boost98200:58:46,230 --> 00:58:48,930into the show where we'restarting to think now about you98300:58:48,930 --> 00:58:51,600know, do we maybe set 1000 setthreshold to read a message98400:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,830because there's just a lot toget to98500:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,790this is success when you have toset a threshold that's a98600:58:56,790 --> 00:59:01,290beautiful moment. And don't beapprehensive because people will98700:59:01,290 --> 00:59:03,480understand and they will loveyou no matter what.98800:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,700I hope so. Yeah, no, I want toread all of them. I really do98900:59:08,700 --> 00:59:11,130but it also could just go onforever if we did that99000:59:11,700 --> 00:59:15,540is the value shows the value forvalue model has a lot of99100:59:15,540 --> 00:59:17,760interesting things that Iencourage everyone to play99200:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,590around with. You know, literallywe've done sad puppy on this99300:59:22,590 --> 00:59:26,430show and no agenda is done ityou know, it's like hey, support99400:59:26,430 --> 00:59:31,590is down. Look at this picture ofthe sad puppy. That's also99500:59:31,590 --> 00:59:36,960braiding people works incrediblywell. Make sure they troll you99600:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,270with booster grams. I mean,these are all things you can99700:59:39,270 --> 00:59:43,290people will love it. It's theit's the wackiest thing I've99800:59:43,290 --> 00:59:46,440ever witnessed, and it neverceases to surprise me people99900:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,330never cease to surprise me withtheir generosity. Their100000:59:51,330 --> 00:59:56,370genuineness it would those twogo hand in hand with this100100:59:56,370 --> 00:59:56,880system.100200:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,450Yeah, and I think there is kindof an appetite for But right now100301:00:00,450 --> 01:00:02,580you look at everything elsethat's in the media. Now many100401:00:02,580 --> 01:00:07,680people are genuine anymore. Andthere is a real trust there.100501:00:07,710 --> 01:00:10,950Because if if you're if you'reif your model is value for100601:00:10,950 --> 01:00:15,330value, you know that thecreators incentives are aligned100701:00:15,330 --> 01:00:18,150with what the audience'sincentives are. And that is100801:00:18,150 --> 01:00:20,040something you can see you cantrust. Maybe they make a100901:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,050mistake. Maybe they say thewrong thing sometimes. But it's101001:00:22,050 --> 01:00:24,780not an intentional misdirection.It's not intentional101101:00:24,780 --> 01:00:27,360misinformation. Right. It justbeen a mistake. I think that's101201:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,270super valuable right now. Yeah,totally agree.101301:00:31,860 --> 01:00:36,240Okay, switching gears, thesocial interact tag, do you? Do101401:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,190you have any just formalizedthat this past week? And do you101501:00:41,190 --> 01:00:45,090have any personal desire to usethat any of your stuff?101601:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,730I mean, that would it is my bestunderstanding is it creates like101701:00:50,730 --> 01:00:52,920a thread on Mastodon for peopleto do comments. And then those101801:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,350are available about I don'tunderstand much beyond that.101901:00:55,740 --> 01:01:00,570Yeah, so the social interact tagallows you to specify a, a route102001:01:00,570 --> 01:01:06,120post that exists somewhere onsome sort of social network, or102101:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,050sis, so you know, commentingsystem, and eventually in the102201:01:10,050 --> 01:01:13,680future, and it'll be it'll beexpanded to handle things like102301:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,780reviews and stuff like that. Andin ratings and but me is really102401:01:18,780 --> 01:01:22,710a just a simplistic thing, whereit's like, it specifies a URL,102501:01:22,710 --> 01:01:26,190which may go to an activity pubURL for an object protected102601:01:26,190 --> 01:01:31,110activity verb object, or aTwitter URL. This route is102701:01:31,110 --> 01:01:35,730intended to be the route of adiscussion for that episode. So102801:01:35,730 --> 01:01:39,990then, if the podcast app speaksactivity, pub, or speaks Twitter102901:01:39,990 --> 01:01:44,730or speaks whatever, then it caninteract directly with the103001:01:44,730 --> 01:01:48,090thread and allow posting andreading from directly in the103101:01:48,090 --> 01:01:56,220app. So the reason I bring it upis this is, of course, it just103201:01:56,220 --> 01:02:00,930got formalized. But hostingcompanies, I think, don't have103301:02:00,930 --> 01:02:04,650hosting companies and apps. Idon't think they realize that103401:02:04,650 --> 01:02:10,620they can do this right now, withactivity pub. In a way that is103501:02:10,650 --> 01:02:14,460pretty simple. Because you gotyou there's two in the office to103601:02:14,460 --> 01:02:18,060facilitate that you have JohnSpurlock has two things that he103701:02:18,060 --> 01:02:23,880did, he really took the socialinteract, tag in himself, and103801:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,470started building software tomake it happen. So he, I want to103901:02:28,500 --> 01:02:33,060I want to talk about two things,podcast social.org. That's an104001:02:33,060 --> 01:02:38,760API, that you can use his systemto just auto create a route104101:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,170post, in an activity post routepost. And then you can include104201:02:43,170 --> 01:02:46,170that in an automated fashioninto your social interact tag,104301:02:46,710 --> 01:02:50,760then stuff can just theconversation can live there. And104401:02:50,790 --> 01:02:54,960all and with ditch that one APIcall you've, you've created a104501:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,270place where activity pubcomments can live for this104601:02:57,270 --> 01:03:02,850episode. Then the flip side ofthat is the app side. And he's104701:03:02,850 --> 01:03:05,940got to reply, he's got a repocalled thread cap, and thread104801:03:05,940 --> 01:03:13,650cash, just a JavaScript modulethat allows you to hook into104901:03:13,650 --> 01:03:17,010that route post, give it theroute post URL, or the route105001:03:17,010 --> 01:03:21,600object, and it will pull in theentire thread of comments. So105101:03:21,630 --> 01:03:26,940there's two ready to go. codebases one, one, a service and105201:03:26,940 --> 01:03:32,850API and the other one, a drop inJavaScript code that can give105301:03:32,850 --> 01:03:36,690you either side of that thatyou're looking for. So I think105401:03:36,900 --> 01:03:41,730that the reason I bring this upis because yes, Twitter is he is105501:03:41,730 --> 01:03:44,400fine. And people know how to usethe Twitter API and that kind of105601:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,810thing. But I would really loveto see people not use Twitter. I105701:03:48,810 --> 01:03:52,680mean, these these activity, youknow, activity Pub is there.105801:03:52,980 --> 01:03:57,270It's, it's got wide adoption.It's, it's the open source all,105901:03:57,300 --> 01:04:01,020you know, way to go. And Ireally rather people see people106001:04:01,020 --> 01:04:03,330incorporate the activity pubside of things.106101:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,810Yeah, that's interesting,because I know peer tube speaks106201:04:06,810 --> 01:04:10,350activity pub. So then I startedthinking, Could we make the106301:04:10,350 --> 01:04:14,250comments on the live stream feedthat we had published? Could we106401:04:14,250 --> 01:04:17,640make the comments on that video?The central point of discussion106501:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,310so we just funnel everybody toone point. So if they watch the106601:04:20,310 --> 01:04:22,530live stream, and they leave acomment, or if they're listening106701:04:22,530 --> 01:04:25,500to their podcast app, and theyleave a comment, it's all on106801:04:25,500 --> 01:04:27,420peer to be activity pub thaticon106901:04:27,450 --> 01:04:30,690Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally.Yeah, cuz we do that already.107001:04:30,690 --> 01:04:36,300Like I did some live coding lastnight on on no agenda tube that107101:04:36,300 --> 01:04:40,680Alex runs and SSH I have a livestream there. If as sometimes107201:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,500I'll just fire that up and I wasworking on helipad last night107301:04:43,500 --> 01:04:49,230live and the detect the commentsand stuff they go on. If you107401:04:49,230 --> 01:04:52,200post there. Yeah, it's fullactivity public can go you can107501:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,940see that on podcast index dotsocial.107601:04:54,930 --> 01:05:00,210Yeah, that could be really cool.Yeah, I wouldn't have I would107701:05:00,210 --> 01:05:02,220definitely use that if I couldmake that which,107801:05:02,490 --> 01:05:05,700which apps? As anyoneimplemented this, that I mean,107901:05:05,700 --> 01:05:09,180fully on this the reading side,I know pod verse shows them to108001:05:09,180 --> 01:05:12,450you, but can you interact yetwith it? Does anyone implemented108101:05:12,450 --> 01:05:14,490that? I don't? I don't think108201:05:14,490 --> 01:05:18,180so. Anybody has implementedwriting, writing with that, I108301:05:18,180 --> 01:05:22,350think, well, you know, potfriend may have that I don't108401:05:22,380 --> 01:05:27,090remember specifically. I'm notsure. But that this is a place108501:05:27,090 --> 01:05:31,350where we're a host, we're a hostcould pick this up and have a108601:05:31,350 --> 01:05:34,260big win right away. And theycould just, you know, because108701:05:34,410 --> 01:05:38,190because the, from the app side,at least reading the comments108801:05:38,190 --> 01:05:41,730is, I mean, that's a drop init's just John's Birla has108901:05:41,730 --> 01:05:42,930already done all the hard work.109001:05:43,890 --> 01:05:47,100I mean, the hostess hostingcompany could set it up so that109101:05:47,100 --> 01:05:51,630its activity pub, and that thethread is then displayed on the109201:05:51,630 --> 01:05:54,870podcasters website. So at leastthere's you know, a function for109301:05:54,870 --> 01:05:58,980it if someone doesn't have apodcast and 2.0 app yet. Yeah,109401:05:59,730 --> 01:06:03,570that's a good point. Sure. Yeah,yeah, that's usually my109501:06:03,570 --> 01:06:06,240trickiest thing. I mean, I guysI know you guys know this. The109601:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,110matric is all of this is useradoption because 30% of my109701:06:10,110 --> 01:06:13,020audience is on antenna pod andother good chunk are on overcast109801:06:13,020 --> 01:06:16,500and Apple podcasts and and thenit's there's a long tail, a lot109901:06:16,500 --> 01:06:18,960of fountain these days. But youknow, it's that's the tricky110001:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,630thing, too. So something on theweb would really be key.110101:06:22,170 --> 01:06:24,900So what are those stats? Again,Krista, it's so what are most110201:06:24,900 --> 01:06:26,310your your users using?antenuptial?110301:06:26,340 --> 01:06:28,500I don't remember the numbers.Exactly. But in 10 pods,110401:06:28,500 --> 01:06:32,400actually the largest and thenit's followed pretty closely by110501:06:32,430 --> 01:06:35,400overcast and the other kind ofbig podcast players and Apple110601:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,530podcasts. And then you gotfountain in there. And then you110701:06:37,530 --> 01:06:39,960got Spotify on the on the longtail. Okay.110801:06:40,350 --> 01:06:43,170Because antenna pod is really,you know, they're there. They110901:06:43,170 --> 01:06:47,280just put in podcasting to putour chapter. Yeah. And I think I111001:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,580think the social interact tag,especially in the activity pub111101:06:50,580 --> 01:06:55,080side, I feel like that would bea really good fit for their111201:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,600project. I think they would wantto support that since it's all111301:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,110open. Yeah, I could I could bewrong, but I feel like that's111401:07:01,110 --> 01:07:05,790right in their wheelhouse. Doy'all do live video at all? Or111501:07:05,790 --> 01:07:06,930do you do any video,111601:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,020we've just been getting backinto live video, thanks to you111701:07:10,020 --> 01:07:13,110guys, really, because I was biginto peer tube about two years111801:07:13,110 --> 01:07:15,420ago, but it just wasn't therefor me yet. And then when I111901:07:15,450 --> 01:07:17,580heard that you guys were usingpeer tube and I saw Alex was112001:07:17,580 --> 01:07:20,460working on the NA two, Ithought, Alright, I'll do this112101:07:20,460 --> 01:07:23,640again. I'll get the plumbingready, so that we can do the lit112201:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,340tag, we'll be good to go. And soI got to kind of put cameras112301:07:26,340 --> 01:07:28,650back in the studio. And Istarted doing video again, just112401:07:28,650 --> 01:07:32,310kind of recently, just sort of abehind the scenes thing. Audio112501:07:32,310 --> 01:07:33,270is really the focus still.112601:07:33,330 --> 01:07:35,610Oh, like a Twitch stream orsomething is what we're doing.112701:07:35,610 --> 01:07:35,850Yeah, it's112801:07:35,850 --> 01:07:38,550on. It's on our pier, too. Butyeah, just start on your watch112901:07:38,550 --> 01:07:40,890us in the studio. If you want towatch us sit with big113001:07:40,890 --> 01:07:43,800microphones and and talk. Itried to make it somewhat113101:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,080interesting. I tried to show thewebsites and stuff. But yeah,113201:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,040it's, you know, it's not it'snot a YouTube show. It's we're113301:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,980doing our audio shows, but weput them up there and people113401:07:52,980 --> 01:07:55,590show up and they like to watchand stream it. So we'll do it.113501:07:57,510 --> 01:07:58,110Makes sense.113601:08:00,270 --> 01:08:03,660helipad API Dave, just sincewe're kind of in that realm113701:08:03,660 --> 01:08:05,280still before we slip out.113801:08:06,030 --> 01:08:09,510Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what Iwas doing on live code lesson.113901:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,570Live coding last night wasimplementing the leaderboard114001:08:12,570 --> 01:08:15,720stuff. And I got that in there.So what does that mean? So114101:08:16,050 --> 01:08:20,970there's an extra table in inhelipad. Now that will, every114201:08:20,970 --> 01:08:25,770minute or so it will build,it'll build a new leaderboard of114301:08:26,220 --> 01:08:31,260and it's per user per show. Sothere's an end there's an API114401:08:31,260 --> 01:08:35,220endpoint for it. Now, this coreis enabled. So if you're running114501:08:35,220 --> 01:08:39,150helipad, somewhere, let's justsay you had let me let's let's114601:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,190envision a scenario here whereyou have Hello pad in, in an114701:08:44,190 --> 01:08:47,790office or at your house orsomething. And it's running,114801:08:47,790 --> 01:08:49,740it's communicating with yourlightning node somewhere. And114901:08:49,740 --> 01:08:53,700it's pulling in boosts all thetime and streams. And building115001:08:53,700 --> 01:08:57,030this leaderboard will if youwere to throw something like115101:08:57,030 --> 01:09:04,830tail scale on there. And then onthe on a website, you could you115201:09:04,830 --> 01:09:09,630could call out to the hell a padAPI.115301:09:10,500 --> 01:09:14,820Tail scale isn't is enabling Nomore bullshit with router ports115401:09:14,820 --> 01:09:19,800and forwarding and busting openfirewalls and insecurity. I love115501:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,080we'd love to scale115601:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,390in so you could do that. Andthen your website could be115701:09:27,390 --> 01:09:31,050running off of that data that'scoming off of your off of your115801:09:31,050 --> 01:09:33,840Hello, Pat. If you wanted tohave a live live leaderboard115901:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,650website. Nice. Yeah, but it'llthere'll be a UI for it in116001:09:37,650 --> 01:09:39,870helipad where you can pull upand say show me my current116101:09:39,870 --> 01:09:43,140leaderboard. But you could youknow, you can do it in a way but116201:09:43,380 --> 01:09:47,970right and what we built lastnight was just the the the116301:09:47,970 --> 01:09:48,840tables in the API116401:09:48,870 --> 01:09:52,110was this we who was this we weretalking about me and116501:09:52,110 --> 01:09:53,190my dog Okay.116601:09:57,300 --> 01:09:58,200Dave's cheating on116701:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,950me. I actually think thefeatures are just going to help116801:10:01,950 --> 01:10:04,680adoption, you know, people, theylike seeing their names up on116901:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,420the leaderboard. And also as acreator, I don't want to miss117001:10:09,420 --> 01:10:12,240that somebody has been reallycontributing quite a bit, right?117101:10:12,270 --> 01:10:14,580Those kinds of details, ifyou're not keeping track of it,117201:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,760you can miss out on and forgetto maybe thank somebody117301:10:18,150 --> 01:10:19,620approacher. So really117401:10:19,650 --> 01:10:22,230Oh, and you will, and you'llscrew it up, and you'll skip117501:10:22,230 --> 01:10:26,550over stuff. And it happens. ButI will tell you that I started a117601:10:26,580 --> 01:10:30,600new career in the keeper fromthe ground up. And there are117701:10:30,600 --> 01:10:35,070people who really, really,really have no idea what they're117801:10:35,070 --> 01:10:39,390doing when it comes to eveninstalling an app. It's like, I117901:10:39,390 --> 01:10:43,860don't really like doing apps.And and people like doing it's118001:10:43,860 --> 01:10:46,500like, Okay, I'm gonna do this,because I really want to get my118101:10:46,500 --> 01:10:49,320note read, I want to be a partof the show. I want to be a part118201:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,750of the community. And they doit.118301:10:53,790 --> 01:10:57,060It's great to see, I feel likeif we could, if we could get118401:10:57,060 --> 01:10:59,910boosts via the web, you know,something you could embed as a118501:10:59,910 --> 01:11:02,700podcaster. On your website. Ithink we'd also see another118601:11:02,700 --> 01:11:03,180uptick.118701:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,480That's, that's, that's that's,I'll be right. Yeah,118801:11:06,480 --> 01:11:07,950that's yeah, that's yeah,118901:11:07,980 --> 01:11:10,530they're almost done with that. Ithink aren't they done with the,119001:11:11,130 --> 01:11:14,310with the splits the integratingin or something? Like I heard119101:11:14,310 --> 01:11:16,920about it on pod land? soundedlike they were close to that.119201:11:17,220 --> 01:11:21,390I don't I don't know. You know,about the web embedding of Lb Do119301:11:21,390 --> 01:11:21,930you, Chris.119401:11:22,410 --> 01:11:25,230I know about lb. But I didn'tknow they had a web embed. Yes.119501:11:25,230 --> 01:11:25,740So you can119601:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,760you can put a method, a meta taginto a web page and the lb119701:11:29,760 --> 01:11:34,290extension will will see that onthe side. And oh, yeah. Yeah.119801:11:34,290 --> 01:11:36,720And you can donate directlythrough that. Yeah. Yeah.119901:11:37,050 --> 01:11:39,360I mean, I'm thinking more likewhat pod verse does, you know120001:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,450where you, you hit the lightningbutton, and then this new pane120101:11:42,450 --> 01:11:44,520expands, and you put the amountin the boost? And and you put120201:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,450the message in?120301:11:45,810 --> 01:11:48,990Right? That it's very, verysimilar, very similar to that.120401:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,900Oh, that's great. All right.I'll play around with that.120501:11:52,860 --> 01:11:56,790Yeah, it's pretty sweet. I thinkalbies probably exactly what we120601:11:56,790 --> 01:11:59,580needed to just kind of take itto the next level. Yeah,120701:11:59,580 --> 01:12:03,390I think so too. It took a lot ofthe complexity away. And in the120801:12:03,390 --> 01:12:07,080fact that you can hook it in toyour own stuff on the backside,120901:12:07,110 --> 01:12:12,060if you want to. Mina means thatyou don't have to. I mean, if121001:12:12,060 --> 01:12:14,790you're, if you're hardcore, andyou don't want to do custodial121101:12:14,790 --> 01:12:17,910anything, well, then you don'thave to. Well, I mean, it's121201:12:17,910 --> 01:12:21,120custodial infrastructure. But asfar as like, the destination of121301:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,010where everything's going to endup, you don't have to you don't121401:12:23,010 --> 01:12:27,060have to go that route, if youdon't want to know. But yeah,121501:12:27,060 --> 01:12:31,290and whoever wrote a shiver justwent up Roy spawn when I said121601:12:31,290 --> 01:12:36,660that. For us, for the for thenormies. out there. That's,121701:12:36,690 --> 01:12:37,860that's, that's pretty good.121801:12:38,130 --> 01:12:40,050What else is on your list? Dave?Do you have any other because121901:12:40,050 --> 01:12:41,940there's, there's so much goingon? There's so many different122001:12:41,940 --> 01:12:43,020things you've been working on?122101:12:44,280 --> 01:12:45,990Yeah, the other one that well,the other thing I've been122201:12:45,990 --> 01:12:49,440working on pretty hard. I was Iwas hitting that a lot this week122301:12:49,440 --> 01:12:55,230was the apple to apple look upin point in size. This is almost122401:12:55,230 --> 01:12:57,120done. And this is122501:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,240so that there can be a completedrop in replacement of the122601:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,740entire 2.0 system if they wantto do it. And it would replace122701:13:04,770 --> 01:13:06,750all of the apple tags.122801:13:07,740 --> 01:13:12,630No, that no, no, this this isfor the this is on the API. And122901:13:12,630 --> 01:13:19,740so within the API, there will bea public endpoint. Not behind123001:13:19,740 --> 01:13:21,840the token, anything would be apublic endpoint, just like123101:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,780apples. So this is for theirlookup endpoint. This is where123201:13:24,780 --> 01:13:28,440you can give it and you can sayyou can call Apple's API and123301:13:28,440 --> 01:13:32,340say, here's the Apple iTunes, Idgive me the information about123401:13:32,340 --> 01:13:36,630this podcast, I see it thiswould be a replacement for that,123501:13:36,660 --> 01:13:39,840excuse me, not a replacement. Itcould be but this is really123601:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,370meant. It's really meant to be afailover. So if Apple goes down,123701:13:44,940 --> 01:13:50,160you for it has an outage thatapps and services can just do an123801:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,720A, B, and failover to us get theexact same data123901:13:55,770 --> 01:13:58,830you're using. Yeah, you're usingthe apple, the apple id for the124001:13:58,830 --> 01:13:59,310lookup.124101:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,300He's an Apple ID for the lookup.And then, but we're using our124201:14:03,300 --> 01:14:06,540database to fulfill the request.And so124301:14:06,540 --> 01:14:09,900then what so after that happens,then we send a bill to Apple or124401:14:09,900 --> 01:14:10,560how does that work?124501:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,670Yeah, no, it automaticallygenerates an invoice. It goes124601:14:14,670 --> 01:14:18,960straight to Tim Cook. We billyou for $3 million in an hour.124701:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,870No big deal. Cool. It's124801:14:21,870 --> 01:14:26,040almost done. I need the laststruggle I'm doing is I'm124901:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,280fighting through is thecategories because I needed I125001:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,380needed apples internal category.125101:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,330Did a lot of category work,including the now in the export125201:14:36,330 --> 01:14:37,710of the database, I guess.125301:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,730Yeah, the category, thecategory, categories and125401:14:41,730 --> 01:14:46,230descriptions I didn't want I'veresisted adding the Description125501:14:46,260 --> 01:14:52,560field of podcasts and for a longtime because I knew it was just125601:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,640going to bloat the size of thedownload. And of course it did125701:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,530but it went from about 800megabytes toward and geez, it.125801:15:03,180 --> 01:15:06,720Well, the tars doesn't matter,but it went from 100 megabyte G125901:15:06,720 --> 01:15:12,240zipped to like 1.3 gigs, Jesusand almost done. Wow. But that's126001:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,520in that. And that's with a limitof 1000 characters in126101:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,850description field. What'stypical people wanted it,126201:15:18,059 --> 01:15:20,429what's the what's the typicalamount of characters in the126301:15:20,429 --> 01:15:23,309Description field is more than$1,000? Man,126401:15:23,309 --> 01:15:26,009there's there's some fans outthere that have, you know, a mag126501:15:26,069 --> 01:15:31,919in the description field.Outrageous. Yeah. Yeah crazy.126601:15:32,819 --> 01:15:36,029But yeah, that's That's uhthat's just that's two things126701:15:36,029 --> 01:15:39,089that worked on this week. AndI'm really just trying with the126801:15:39,089 --> 01:15:44,249lookup thing I'm really justtrying to give I'm trying to126901:15:44,249 --> 01:15:48,149stay true to the mission of whatwe're of. There's the mission127001:15:48,149 --> 01:15:51,029for podcasting to know there's amission for the IP on the index,127101:15:51,269 --> 01:15:56,129I'm trying to keep the missionpure on the index, and in give127201:15:56,939 --> 01:16:01,049developers a non Applealternative to things when they127301:16:01,049 --> 01:16:06,509need it. That doesn't mean thatwe want to mean this, it would,127401:16:06,599 --> 01:16:10,139we can't afford to replaceApple's API. I mean, we don't127501:16:10,139 --> 01:16:12,359have that much money. So wecan't afford that much127601:16:12,359 --> 01:16:17,519infrastructure. But we can andhave in the past, stepped in and127701:16:17,519 --> 01:16:20,519full and fulfilled that rolewhen the time called for it. And127801:16:20,759 --> 01:16:25,619I mean, that's, that's why Marcogives us $500 a month, because,127901:16:25,769 --> 01:16:31,319you know, we played an importantrole in, in, in his apps live128001:16:31,709 --> 01:16:35,909during that time when Apple wentdown. So that's consider that to128101:16:35,909 --> 01:16:38,909be really important. And we'regoing to you know, we need to128201:16:38,909 --> 01:16:39,599keep doing that.128301:16:40,140 --> 01:16:45,960I love this idea. And it'llit'll luring more developers go128401:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,660ahead, you know, where yourwhere your insurance policy, you128501:16:48,660 --> 01:16:54,060may just want to hang out withus. Date, bait. Get it out of128601:16:54,060 --> 01:16:59,670bait. Nice, shall we? Thanks.Some people since you mentioned128701:16:59,670 --> 01:17:02,730Marco who indeed is one of theone of the people who supports128801:17:02,730 --> 01:17:05,910us with the value he was with aequal value to what he receives128901:17:05,910 --> 01:17:08,790out of it. We love that. Porterwe thank and Dave129001:17:09,690 --> 01:17:11,670and Chris, you don't have aheart out. Can you hang with us129101:17:11,670 --> 01:17:12,480for some boosts?129201:17:12,870 --> 01:17:13,740I'm here for you.129301:17:16,320 --> 01:17:21,300You're a beautiful man. It's awe got some we got some papers.129401:17:21,450 --> 01:17:27,780We got as usual. Every monthMarco gave us $500 He was top of129501:17:27,780 --> 01:17:28,230mind.129601:17:28,980 --> 01:17:32,070Yes, well, not really a boostbut we appreciate Yes, yes.129701:17:32,100 --> 01:17:36,030Thank you, sir. Marco.Appreciate that. Very much. And129801:17:36,570 --> 01:17:42,420we also got a sad puppy rescuedonation from Dame Jennifer129901:17:42,420 --> 01:17:47,370Buchanan. Oh, really? Oh, yes.$133130001:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,940Wow. Jen, thank you so much.Yeah,130101:17:51,480 --> 01:17:55,440she says let's see if I can readthis. It says oh noes. No Pay130201:17:55,440 --> 01:17:59,820Pal donations last week. Vacatethe sea vacation should be god130301:17:59,820 --> 01:18:03,720this is so hard to read. It'svery light. Donation as the130401:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,470vacation should be celebrated.Well, I celebrate what y'all are130501:18:07,470 --> 01:18:10,830doing to preserve free speech.Even when that includes my130601:18:10,830 --> 01:18:15,660slightly corny jingles which mayeven make even me blush named130701:18:15,660 --> 01:18:16,080Jennifer.130801:18:18,000 --> 01:18:26,010It's so when you talk math, Ron,that stinks. Dry. Math to me.130901:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,180You're supposed to say that forepisode 100.131001:18:30,270 --> 01:18:34,530Oh, I was I suppose I'm sorry. Iforgot I forgot our deal. Wow.131101:18:34,530 --> 01:18:37,260I'm so sorry. Well, I left thebarn door. I'll get you a new131201:18:37,260 --> 01:18:40,710one. Out. slipped out.131301:18:41,460 --> 01:18:45,480We Yep. So that's, that's ourtwo paper towels and Oh, thank131401:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,610you. Thank you, Jen. Batch131501:18:47,610 --> 01:18:50,460boosts though, okay, batch bigbatch of boosts.131601:18:52,440 --> 01:18:56,040Let's see. We got to do you knowwho sent us a boost this week?131701:18:57,180 --> 01:19:03,300Or will Oh really? Yes do fromthe grave. He sent us 1111 SATs131801:19:03,300 --> 01:19:06,240through fountain and he saysAdam, why did you close our131901:19:06,240 --> 01:19:06,810channel?132001:19:07,410 --> 01:19:13,560Oh this is so there is a GeorgeOrwell's and I know the channel132101:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,740because you know we about 140channels. And so I go through132201:19:16,740 --> 01:19:18,870them regularly to see howeverything's doing if we got132301:19:18,870 --> 01:19:22,020some good health on the channelseverything. And from time to132401:19:22,020 --> 01:19:24,780time. What are you laughingabout?132501:19:25,050 --> 01:19:27,840I'm just laughing because GeorgeOrwell complained about you132601:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,040closing this chant? Yeah,132701:19:29,070 --> 01:19:33,300well, from time to time. l&djust closes channels and then132801:19:33,300 --> 01:19:38,160people say, Hey, man, why don'tyou close my channel? I didn't132901:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,590and of course I had no way torespond to this, but I saw the133001:19:40,590 --> 01:19:44,880booster Graham come in on my ownhelipad. And like Ah, man, I'm133101:19:44,880 --> 01:19:49,410glad we hit that one because Iwant to say I didn't just give133201:19:49,410 --> 01:19:52,680me your your ID and and we'llopen a new one. No problem.133301:19:53,190 --> 01:19:55,740This is a long standing bugwithin lnd133401:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,940ever gonna fix in this ODOT 15or whatever it is.133501:20:00,570 --> 01:20:04,110He says, George says I justwanted to support you with133601:20:04,110 --> 01:20:07,740forwarding payments with zerobase fee. Yes. Well, sure. Thank133701:20:07,740 --> 01:20:09,600you. We appreciate that. Now,this133801:20:09,600 --> 01:20:14,100has happened to us with with ourhuge family channel to pay. I133901:20:14,100 --> 01:20:15,750mean, it's just closed randomlybefore.134001:20:16,650 --> 01:20:18,450Yeah, that really sucks. Whenthat happens.134101:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,590No hard feelings. George. Georgefollowed up again with134201:20:22,590 --> 01:20:29,880111 111 11. He says, is thatnumber 111 11 111 1111 1111?134301:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,970Yes. Because sometimes when I'mlistening to no agenda or134401:20:32,970 --> 01:20:35,970another podcast where you are inthe value split, I got an error.134501:20:35,970 --> 01:20:38,460So assume that had something todo with inbound liquidity.134601:20:40,950 --> 01:20:44,760Okay, no, that's different. Ifthere's if there's an error in134701:20:44,760 --> 01:20:50,010the value split, that could bemy note at home was down or that134801:20:50,010 --> 01:20:53,700could be something else. I don'tknow. I don't know it. I don't134901:20:53,700 --> 01:20:56,610think it was on yalls end. Notyour fault for sure.135001:20:57,660 --> 01:21:02,700It's a mystery. Yes. Abel Kirbysays 8888 says there carry a135101:21:02,700 --> 01:21:10,110caster and he says, Pew Thankyou. Michael. Sean Becker sent135201:21:10,110 --> 01:21:14,010us 10,000 says 10k big monsterCasta Matic and he says first135301:21:14,010 --> 01:21:18,090booster gram Oh, he's pumped toboost gram cherry he says have135401:21:18,090 --> 01:21:21,600been around since DSC days gopodcasting. Oh no. Don't boost135501:21:24,270 --> 01:21:25,860boost Thank you. Welcome.135601:21:27,030 --> 01:21:31,620We get to say we were all there.The day that he no didn't lost135701:21:31,620 --> 01:21:33,210his buddy. Boost virginity135801:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,660if if you were listening to hisdaily source code, you get to135901:21:36,660 --> 01:21:38,070say hi, I'm old136001:21:42,180 --> 01:21:48,750Roy Schonfeld Arias 54 321bombshell through breeze and he136101:21:48,750 --> 01:21:50,310says, I missed you guys.136201:21:51,660 --> 01:21:57,150We miss you too. Roy. Roy, didyou see his his post his Medium136301:21:57,150 --> 01:22:00,780post which also went up onBitcoin magazine? I have it136401:22:00,780 --> 01:22:04,350right here in my hand. Yeah.Follow up to GGS This is very136501:22:04,350 --> 01:22:08,640interesting. And this isn't anindustry wide push the way I see136601:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,500it now. To change the wordwallet into something else,136701:22:13,530 --> 01:22:17,310which I think Roy is proposingpayment, you know, app a payment136801:22:17,310 --> 01:22:21,330app if using a podcast and justthe podcast app. And I'm not136901:22:21,330 --> 01:22:25,770quite sure why this seems likethere's a little more behind it.137001:22:25,770 --> 01:22:29,520Why is everyone running awayfrom the and I? The way it's137101:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,700explained in the articles? Icompletely get it, buddy too.137201:22:32,730 --> 01:22:36,000But what okay, I mean it that'sa hard one.137301:22:37,320 --> 01:22:41,670I wonder if it's just a sort of,do you know what we're talking137401:22:41,670 --> 01:22:46,860about? Chris? Barry, completelylost? I'm following you. Yeah,137501:22:46,860 --> 01:22:49,800there's Roy wrote an article inthe name of you want to go read137601:22:49,800 --> 01:22:50,220it as137701:22:51,300 --> 01:22:54,090I think I actually did comeacross this one. And and the137801:22:54,090 --> 01:22:57,660idea sort of is, is that whileit turns off new users to term,137901:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,560right, yeah,138001:22:58,590 --> 01:23:02,100yeah. And then in general, justinaccurate, you know? Because138101:23:02,100 --> 01:23:07,230it's not really what, it's notreally what wallets do. And so I138201:23:07,230 --> 01:23:10,290agree with it. But I wonder ifthis is just a spontaneous sort138301:23:10,290 --> 01:23:15,900of thing of trying to take it,take the nomenclature away,138401:23:15,930 --> 01:23:18,840because maybe it's causingtrouble with App Store138501:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,450submissions, or when they seewallet,138601:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,900I get it in the context of webthree, when you're gonna log138701:23:24,900 --> 01:23:29,160into a website with your walletthat feels weird and broken. But138801:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,300having, you know, 10,000 SATs ina lightning wallet on my podcast138901:23:33,300 --> 01:23:35,460app, I don't have any problemwith that at all. If I were139001:23:35,460 --> 01:23:39,420going to change any nomenclaturearound Bitcoin, I would change139101:23:39,450 --> 01:23:43,170mining into producing becausemining creates a visualization139201:23:43,170 --> 01:23:47,040in your head that's resourceintensive, but producing that's139301:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,830fresh and clean. So let's focuson that. Not on the wallet139401:23:49,830 --> 01:23:50,130thing.139501:23:51,390 --> 01:23:54,060Okay, yeah, it's like you'reburning the ocean. You're139601:23:54,060 --> 01:23:55,770boiling the oceans mining.139701:23:56,820 --> 01:23:59,460Reducing Bitcoin. That's a greatthing. But the wallet This139801:23:59,460 --> 01:24:00,570doesn't seem like a big deal tome.139901:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,050I don't know if I have anopinion on it yet. I mean, to140001:24:04,050 --> 01:24:07,320me, I think you're right. Davidseems like this is because140101:24:07,320 --> 01:24:12,000there's so much legal frameworkstuff being done around wallets,140201:24:12,030 --> 01:24:17,130you know, the EU is probablyleading and go bad wallet, and140301:24:17,160 --> 01:24:23,250whatever. And hosted wallets,all this kind of stuff. And I140401:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,310think from a political anglemoving forward, it makes sense140501:24:26,310 --> 01:24:30,060to say no, this is really justsome keys. And this is just a140601:24:30,060 --> 01:24:33,360way for you to sign something sopeople know that you approve140701:24:33,360 --> 01:24:33,810this,140801:24:34,110 --> 01:24:36,870which is like a keychain sort ofsort of a name case. Yeah, I140901:24:36,870 --> 01:24:41,100mean, keychain but but manyou're it's a it's a uphill141001:24:41,100 --> 01:24:45,420battle. I mean, just look at theiPhone has a wallet and the141101:24:45,420 --> 01:24:48,780wallet. It contains your ApplePay and your driver's license141201:24:48,780 --> 01:24:53,130and god knows what else is. It'shard. It's hard to that's a141301:24:53,130 --> 01:24:56,610tough one. It's almost like youknow, YouTube, I got a podcast.141401:24:56,610 --> 01:24:59,760I'm on YouTube, like, what am Igoing to say? Well, no, but141501:24:59,790 --> 01:25:02,940okay. I don't know, interest is141601:25:02,940 --> 01:25:06,390an element of using the termwallet to help with adoption for141701:25:06,390 --> 01:25:09,000new users. It's least somethingthey kind of can wrap their head141801:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,980around when it's such a newtool.141901:25:10,980 --> 01:25:14,460But then why? Then why are theysaying it's bad for adoption?142001:25:15,030 --> 01:25:18,810I just don't agree. Maybe Ithink it is. In some cases,142101:25:18,839 --> 01:25:21,419I can already feel Roy gettingready to call me tomorrow.142201:25:22,019 --> 01:25:25,079No, no, this is this is the waythis the way this this is the142301:25:25,079 --> 01:25:29,069system working. We say thingsagainst what he wrote. And so142401:25:29,069 --> 01:25:30,569he'll have to boost us again.Next.142501:25:30,599 --> 01:25:33,329Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes. I'm gonnapick up the phone. Yeah, just142601:25:33,329 --> 01:25:37,229boost us. Boost us with youropinions. Roy. Goes to142701:25:37,229 --> 01:25:37,919everybody.142801:25:38,700 --> 01:25:45,120Yes, it's bait, boost bait and10,000 SATs from dude into142901:25:45,120 --> 01:25:50,220fountain. And he says it he says10k set minimum for boost reads.143001:25:50,340 --> 01:25:51,360Oh, no,143101:25:51,360 --> 01:25:52,800that's pretty high.143201:25:53,099 --> 01:25:53,969That's pretty high.143301:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,310Maybe we'll get there. If we'rereally successful. We'll get143401:25:56,310 --> 01:25:57,060there. We'll see143501:25:57,089 --> 01:26:00,929ya. Alberto. I have to assumethis is out there tomorrow.143601:26:00,929 --> 01:26:04,739says.com says 200 says now wereally don't. We just143701:26:04,739 --> 01:26:08,879implemented the 1000 sat limit,really? But when Alberta sends143801:26:08,879 --> 01:26:15,959you a boost, from our sense, youhave to read it. Okay. You're143901:26:15,959 --> 01:26:21,149coming in cold, Alberta? Yes.Podcasting. He says podcasting144001:26:21,149 --> 01:26:22,4992.0 To the Moon.144101:26:22,860 --> 01:26:26,220Okay. All right to the moon.144201:26:29,970 --> 01:26:32,400When you're gonna say to themoon, you gotta bring more than144301:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,540200. SAS? Yeah, I144401:26:33,540 --> 01:26:35,070think so we have144501:26:36,060 --> 01:26:38,910mere mortals podcasts, and it'sa row ducks 2222 through144601:26:38,910 --> 01:26:42,480fountain and he says, I likethat Tom did that motion to look144701:26:42,480 --> 01:26:45,060for the positive side of things.It's a really refreshing144801:26:45,060 --> 01:26:45,600mindset,144901:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,070the motion of positivity. Thanksfor your ducks.145001:26:50,700 --> 01:26:54,030If you've ever hung out with Tomfor very long, he's just a happy145101:26:54,030 --> 01:26:57,090guy. He cannot he cannot stay onthe negative side of things for145201:26:57,090 --> 01:27:03,630very long. I can say I can hangout there forever. But I was145301:27:03,630 --> 01:27:10,920born a cynic Kevin bass and is100,000 SATs Whoa, through145401:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,910fountain and he says this mightbe a really bad idea. But what145501:27:14,910 --> 01:27:18,300if someone put together apodcast index conference? It's145601:27:18,300 --> 01:27:21,810really bad at this conference,it would be focused only on145701:27:21,810 --> 01:27:24,990software hardware, namespacestandards, value seminars,145801:27:25,200 --> 01:27:28,320crypto onboarding, hands on andanything else except advertising145901:27:28,320 --> 01:27:32,820and growing your show? All thethings that are not advertising146001:27:32,820 --> 01:27:35,670and Gorani just a thoughtpodcast,146101:27:35,700 --> 01:27:39,660you will go podcast and do thatsounds a bit like sounds a bit146201:27:39,660 --> 01:27:41,040like the hackathon to me.146301:27:41,850 --> 01:27:46,230Yes, Chris. I did. Thoughts onthe hackathon. Is it a good146401:27:46,230 --> 01:27:46,650idea?146501:27:47,340 --> 01:27:50,430I I would I would go to apodcasting Judo conference. So146601:27:50,430 --> 01:27:52,830yeah, I think a hackathon is agreat idea. I think I think146701:27:52,830 --> 01:27:56,190you'd be surprised. Okay, Ithink people want to I want they146801:27:56,190 --> 01:27:58,140want to get together. They wantto strategize and they want to146901:27:58,140 --> 01:28:00,630build tools around this. I wantyou know, I keep thinking every147001:28:00,630 --> 01:28:02,490time you guys talk aboutsomething, I think, Okay, what's147101:28:02,490 --> 01:28:04,710my workflow for that? How am Igoing to integrate that? How do147201:28:04,710 --> 01:28:07,200I get all my hosts on board? Youknow, that kind of stuff. And147301:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,020anytime you get a chance to justchat with people in person and147401:28:10,020 --> 01:28:12,570talk about that kind of stuff.It feels like you get like two147501:28:12,570 --> 01:28:14,790months worth of stuff done inlike, in one week.147601:28:15,480 --> 01:28:19,950That's true history. We weregoing to Podcast Movement. We're147701:28:19,950 --> 01:28:22,980going to do a talk there. So Ithink what we could do is147801:28:22,980 --> 01:28:26,400instead of creating a podcasting2.0 conference, we could just147901:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,850slowly over the next few yearsby them over more and more.148001:28:31,710 --> 01:28:32,490That's my strategy.148101:28:33,240 --> 01:28:37,650By that's what I do by them. Wegot to note follow SATs. Bitch,148201:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,300what is this place cost?148301:28:41,910 --> 01:28:46,830Karen for the mere mortalspodcast. He sent us 9494 SATs148401:28:46,830 --> 01:28:49,080there Curio Castro, he saysboosting because you guys are148501:28:49,080 --> 01:28:54,690awesome. I missed p 2.0. aswell. Thanks, Carrie. We missed148601:28:54,690 --> 01:28:58,770you too, brother. Sure did. Now,James Crillon came in with a148701:28:58,770 --> 01:29:03,810droopy boost of 150. Oh, sorry.Oops, no, no, take148801:29:03,810 --> 01:29:05,700that back boost boost.148901:29:06,690 --> 01:29:11,040He says, ha, I didn't call Adama dick. Just there's a potential149001:29:11,040 --> 01:29:15,090personality clash between youand some others in the industry.149101:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,490Not a criticism. You speak yourmind. And I welcome that.149201:29:17,849 --> 01:29:21,689Oh, interesting. So first ofall, if I hadn't made it clear,149301:29:23,129 --> 01:29:25,619that was all on me, James. Iimmediately thought you were149401:29:25,619 --> 01:29:28,379calling me a dick. My wifecalled me down. She's like, now149501:29:28,379 --> 01:29:31,079you're seeing this the wrongway. Which is why I love her why149601:29:31,079 --> 01:29:34,829I'm married to her. So and Isorry if that wasn't apparent. I149701:29:34,829 --> 01:29:39,059don't think there's personalityclashes. Some people just dicks.149801:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,290There's no clash.149901:29:44,010 --> 01:29:48,330There's no clash. I have noproblem but I do speak my mind.150001:29:48,360 --> 01:29:52,740And if people don't like it,then it seems like everyone else150101:29:52,740 --> 01:29:54,600in the industry speaks theirmind. Certainly people at150201:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,030Spotify say what they what theyfeel and what they believe.150301:29:57,630 --> 01:30:01,200No lack of speaking, no of mine.There's no podcasts and150401:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,270I like that. That's the way itshould be. It's good.150501:30:03,300 --> 01:30:06,810I think. I think the results arespeaking for themselves. Yeah,150601:30:06,810 --> 01:30:07,560and I150701:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,740wish only everybody well, but Ido kind of want everybody to150801:30:10,740 --> 01:30:14,040play the play in the samefields, you know. So if you want150901:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,410to go off and do your own thing,good, Bubba151001:30:18,480 --> 01:30:22,140Jameson, another 150, SAS, andhe says, I've never I've not151101:30:22,140 --> 01:30:25,530ever called them quote, sillyinternet tokens, unquote.151201:30:27,270 --> 01:30:30,360Yes, I heard him say that. Maybenot silly.151301:30:30,900 --> 01:30:34,440Okay, I've called them in thepast internet tokens or internet151401:30:34,440 --> 01:30:36,030money because I recommend151501:30:36,030 --> 01:30:39,570the money he said funny money. Ifind the money money. That's it151601:30:39,570 --> 01:30:40,350funny money.151701:30:40,620 --> 01:30:41,670That's it funny money. He151801:30:41,670 --> 01:30:45,180doesn't matter because yeah,sorry. I was at it. No. Yeah, he151901:30:45,180 --> 01:30:45,720says because I152001:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,510reckon the word cryptocurrencyturns many people off.152101:30:48,570 --> 01:30:52,740Yeah. Alan turns me off. I hateI hate calling it crypt. I call152201:30:52,740 --> 01:30:55,140it value for value. You don'tsee me here. You don't hear me152301:30:55,140 --> 01:30:58,950saying crypto ever a man. We'reusing crypto. Now. That's152401:30:58,950 --> 01:31:04,380horrible that that's repellent.Value for value is? But yeah.152501:31:04,440 --> 01:31:08,190Okay. But I'm just saying in thebeginning. Yeah. When we first152601:31:08,190 --> 01:31:12,210started off, there was a lot ofresistance. And people like what152701:31:12,210 --> 01:31:16,920is this? There was a lot ofresistance talk, you know, just152801:31:16,920 --> 01:31:21,420like funny money, whatever. AllI'm saying is, I love what I'm152901:31:21,420 --> 01:31:26,820seeing. I love how you know whenI when I have to hear not have153001:31:26,820 --> 01:31:29,580to when I hear on a podcast, Idon't produce that. I'm just a153101:31:29,580 --> 01:31:33,150listener of fan of pod land. Andthat's where I hear about153201:31:33,150 --> 01:31:37,440announcement between lb haven'tmet the lb guys on the social153301:31:37,860 --> 01:31:43,650and rss.com I mean, that Iimmediately texted my wife said153401:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,330so unbelievable what'shappening. Fuck marketing. This153501:31:48,330 --> 01:31:51,030should just works. It's justit's so good. People just wanted153601:31:51,030 --> 01:31:53,700that just using it. And they'retalking about it that it makes153701:31:53,700 --> 01:31:54,780me super happy.153801:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,850People buy $10 A SATs and spinthem? Isn't a SAT and internet153901:31:59,850 --> 01:32:02,610token? Or do we need to confuseand complicated by talking about154001:32:02,610 --> 01:32:05,100crypto to a public that does notunderstand crypto?154101:32:05,430 --> 01:32:08,430No, we don't need to use theword crypto at all its value for154201:32:08,430 --> 01:32:12,720value and we do it with SATs andthen how you get those. Now you154301:32:12,720 --> 01:32:13,920have to be a crypto expert.154401:32:14,820 --> 01:32:17,340Now if we want to change thenomenclature around something,154501:32:18,210 --> 01:32:21,420getting rid of the word crypto,it would be fine by me that154601:32:21,450 --> 01:32:23,280that's that word has become Idon't use154701:32:23,280 --> 01:32:28,890it. I despise it. I never likedit. And I thought I also Bitcoin154801:32:28,890 --> 01:32:31,560to me is in a differentcategory. But I don't want we154901:32:31,560 --> 01:32:36,030don't need to have a jihadconversation. I know Chris would155001:32:36,030 --> 01:32:40,320be right there with me with hiswith his Kalashnikov. And your155101:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,890Toyota truck. Going to thehardest.155201:32:44,430 --> 01:32:47,010It's a coin dad pod backing usup.155301:32:47,490 --> 01:32:52,530So yeah, but yeah, I think itvalue for value seems to be well155401:32:52,530 --> 01:32:56,340understood. And when I didn'twant to look at get alby.com155501:32:56,430 --> 01:32:59,700They've got a whole value forvalue description. I love this.155601:32:59,940 --> 01:33:02,370It can it can be a littledifferent for everybody. You can155701:33:02,370 --> 01:33:05,940describe it in different ways.This I think is the big eye155801:33:05,940 --> 01:33:11,160opener. We struggled for monthsand months and months about a155901:33:11,160 --> 01:33:16,140website and marketing and, andnomenclature and words. And the156001:33:16,140 --> 01:33:20,790best things have just havehappened without look. Did we156101:33:20,820 --> 01:33:24,420ever market booster Graham theterm though we just started156201:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,770using it. Pod ping lit. Oh mygod, I hear people saying Oh,156301:33:28,770 --> 01:33:32,370no. Like Todd Cochran is talkingabout the show is lit. I mean,156401:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,920it doesn't even make sense tosomeone who has no we're talking156501:33:34,920 --> 01:33:39,660about what we're using it. Andthat's, that is so powerful. So156601:33:39,660 --> 01:33:45,030that means that the My hunch?And what I think I've always156701:33:45,030 --> 01:33:48,990said is that when people starttalking about innovation or156801:33:48,990 --> 01:33:53,160something new in podcasting, andthey do it on their podcast, it156901:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,640propagates and then someonehears that tell someone else157001:33:56,670 --> 01:34:02,460they tell a host it's its ownkind of slow, very slow, but157101:34:02,460 --> 01:34:06,060it's a it's a slow wave ofmarketing that is unbelievable157201:34:06,060 --> 01:34:09,690in podcasting, it's unparalleledin any other industry.157301:34:11,340 --> 01:34:13,500And if I could jump in I wouldjust say I think a lot of credit157401:34:13,500 --> 01:34:16,980goes to you Adam for givingpodcasters a language to express157501:34:16,980 --> 01:34:19,860these ideas and then you'restarting to see the network157601:34:19,860 --> 01:34:22,710effect of more and more peopleusing that language. And you157701:34:22,710 --> 01:34:24,570know it started with you andJohn157801:34:24,630 --> 01:34:29,460All I want is a plaque just aplaque doesn't matter we're in157901:34:29,460 --> 01:34:32,460Texas it doesn't have to be youknow, and you can burn me and158001:34:32,460 --> 01:34:35,490smoke me and clay Jackson Brownthe loadout Everything else is158101:34:35,490 --> 01:34:37,680fine just the plaque on plaque.That's all I need. It seems158201:34:37,680 --> 01:34:38,100fair.158301:34:39,180 --> 01:34:39,930Jackson Brown.158401:34:41,670 --> 01:34:44,130My death song and you'reslamming it158501:34:45,330 --> 01:34:50,670can't handle Jackson Brown. Thisyou don't like the loadout? No,158601:34:50,670 --> 01:34:53,370I something about his somethingabout his voice.158701:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,750Okay, well, all right. Chris.uninvite Dave from my funeral158801:34:57,750 --> 01:35:00,360please. Okay. He's not allowedto listen I'm allowed158901:35:03,419 --> 01:35:07,739James Crillon again 1001 setsand he says and because the159001:35:07,739 --> 01:35:10,799other two booths I said, here'sanother one.159101:35:11,190 --> 01:35:14,040There it is. Okay. Well played.Well, I was about to complain159201:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,620about that too. Well played.Well played, sir. I'm looking159301:35:16,620 --> 01:35:20,700forward to hanging out with.With James a Podcast Movement.159401:35:21,120 --> 01:35:26,130Yeah, let's drink some beers.Satoshi streams and it's 5552159501:35:26,430 --> 01:35:29,550through fountain and with aheart and with a heart emoji.159601:35:29,580 --> 01:35:33,030Oh, booze. Thank you. So nice.159701:35:33,420 --> 01:35:37,860Cast VLAN 4550 through fountainand he says he folk I never do a159801:35:37,860 --> 01:35:40,920live show boost. I guess it wasa no agenda boost where you're159901:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,880calling out. You were callingout on podcast in Tupelo. 93 Oh,160001:35:44,910 --> 01:35:48,840I had fun and earn 160 SATs. Idon't get I don't get the160101:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,160earnings so far. You can havethem you can have them. Keep on160201:35:53,160 --> 01:35:54,750the work. Keep up the workboost.160301:35:54,780 --> 01:35:56,520Thanks. Thank you very much.160401:35:56,580 --> 01:36:02,280Thank you guys. George Orwellcoming in again. 2222 Rilla160501:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,860ducks and he says nevermind itwas a force close.160601:36:08,160 --> 01:36:13,170There it is. Complaint complaintfollowed up and then resolved160701:36:13,170 --> 01:36:16,050all with money. Thank you. Work.Sorry. It works.160801:36:16,440 --> 01:36:19,980Chris, did you you were anaughty freelancer for a while.160901:36:19,980 --> 01:36:24,270Right? A long time? Yeah. Longtime. Do you remember? I don't161001:36:24,270 --> 01:36:29,880know the origin of this. But doyou remember the it it was it161101:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,720was a list called the I think itwas like it achievements. Okay,161201:36:33,720 --> 01:36:38,160they were no, they they lookedyou know, they're based on Xbox161301:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,580achievements. And so they wouldhave they would have a name and161401:36:41,580 --> 01:36:45,540an icon and then a descriptionof it. So like, one of them was161501:36:46,560 --> 01:36:51,090one of them was I forgot thename of the it was like161601:36:51,090 --> 01:36:55,140Dominator or something that wassaid to fix a problem by doing161701:36:55,140 --> 01:36:59,010nothing. And so you know, it'slike those people that call you161801:36:59,010 --> 01:37:01,050on the on the Help Desk andthey're like, Hey, I've got161901:37:01,710 --> 01:37:06,090Okay, nevermind in the hangar.Yeah, my favorite one window was162001:37:06,420 --> 01:37:09,900that's basically what justhappened here with. With him he162101:37:09,900 --> 01:37:13,110fixed his own problem. But myfavorite one of those was called162201:37:13,110 --> 01:37:17,760areola bold. It was fun tosecret pornstache in somebody's162301:37:17,760 --> 01:37:18,570fonts folder.162401:37:21,570 --> 01:37:23,250Did it ever come in handy?162501:37:23,670 --> 01:37:29,160Oh, yes. I've gotten thatachievement many times. Yeah, oh162601:37:29,160 --> 01:37:29,520yeah.162701:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,650And what do you do? Do youfollow up and say it with an162801:37:31,650 --> 01:37:35,640email Hi employee we've noticedsome162901:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,870case it was the owner so I justbasically a wink and a nod and I163001:37:39,870 --> 01:37:42,150just got myself a longer termcontract.163101:37:43,590 --> 01:37:49,500Extend extension. Yeah. ColeMcCormick one cent is 3333 cents163201:37:49,500 --> 01:37:52,290through fountain and he says Iwould like to motion for163301:37:52,290 --> 01:37:56,190positivity and high THCpercentages. The board meeting163401:37:56,190 --> 01:37:57,930deserves top shelf stuff.163501:37:58,860 --> 01:38:00,540Nothing but the best of theboard.163601:38:00,870 --> 01:38:06,510Thank you go see Nomad Joe says1234 SAS through curio Castro163701:38:06,510 --> 01:38:11,430and he says testing curio casterthey were they worked? Yes test163801:38:11,430 --> 01:38:17,370successful. In BS since 33 333through fountain163901:38:17,400 --> 01:38:18,510nice since you164001:38:19,020 --> 01:38:28,500go podcasting in BS mollusk sendus 10,000 SATs through fountain164101:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,160he says I would love to seeChris Fisher invited as a guest164201:38:32,160 --> 01:38:32,970on the show.164301:38:33,540 --> 01:38:35,490Your Your wish is our command.164401:38:37,020 --> 01:38:41,400Thanks for the great work reallydelivering that you have. Yeah,164501:38:41,700 --> 01:38:46,230I mean, you brought peoplebefore you even before they even164601:38:46,230 --> 01:38:48,870realized that you broughtpeople. This was fantastic.164701:38:50,460 --> 01:38:55,860Lyceum 22 to 22 of the humongousrow of dogs and he says I've164801:38:55,860 --> 01:38:59,130tried to add the row of ducksnumber 2222 Satoshis to the164901:38:59,130 --> 01:39:02,580booster gram numerology page onGitHub. I've probably crashed165001:39:02,580 --> 01:39:06,420the page now. How many duckscould have? How many ducks could165101:39:06,420 --> 01:39:09,600you have in a row? All the bestMartin Lind discard well I see165201:39:09,600 --> 01:39:10,200him theropods.165301:39:11,160 --> 01:39:14,910Oh, yeah, Martin. He's anotherone of these podcast listeners165401:39:14,910 --> 01:39:18,300who showed up and is boostingshows and is tweeting and is165501:39:18,300 --> 01:39:19,860helping promote it's beautiful.165601:39:20,430 --> 01:39:24,030Yes, fantastic. He's all overthe place. He twittering165701:39:25,650 --> 01:39:29,730blueberry. What a blueberry. Hesent us a big fat road ducks 22165801:39:29,730 --> 01:39:34,110to 22 and he says oh hell yeah.This past Sunday for episode 107165901:39:34,110 --> 01:39:40,500We successfully deployed IRC, acough IR cacophony with IRC166001:39:40,500 --> 01:39:44,670capitalised, SC IR cacophony,which is an IRC tool that166101:39:44,670 --> 01:39:47,790allowed us to hear different pewsounds. Different amounts166201:39:47,790 --> 01:39:48,270boosted166301:39:48,299 --> 01:39:54,509Nice. Oh like that. So joinhelipad is so advanced now or166401:39:54,779 --> 01:39:57,629will be so advanced you don'thave to look at some measly166501:39:57,629 --> 01:40:01,529boost. Now we wait for the fireWork sound effect that we know166601:40:01,529 --> 01:40:02,129it's good.166701:40:03,060 --> 01:40:06,570It was very surreal to haveproducers boost in firing off166801:40:06,570 --> 01:40:09,000their own ISOs of Alex Jones andJim166901:40:11,490 --> 01:40:16,110This is a cool idea I like thisso you can fire up different167001:40:16,110 --> 01:40:19,830sounds based upon the number ofthe boosted grandma is good. You167101:40:19,830 --> 01:40:22,470should we could just have a fulltime stream that just does167201:40:22,470 --> 01:40:27,510nothing but that if you everhave a selection of whatever and167301:40:27,510 --> 01:40:29,640you just boost gets queued up167401:40:30,780 --> 01:40:33,900in my reading this right he saysit was very surreal to have167501:40:33,900 --> 01:40:38,730producers boost in firing offtheir own ISOs have Alex gently167601:40:39,300 --> 01:40:43,080did they? Are they somehowproviding the morale of167701:40:43,080 --> 01:40:47,580their musket? I don't know. Ilove I liked this idea no matter167801:40:47,580 --> 01:40:51,690what it is. That's terrifying.No, it's fantastic. Think of it167901:40:51,720 --> 01:40:56,340just a 24 hour seven stream andyou know minimum minimum boost168001:40:56,340 --> 01:41:01,050is you know, 10,000 or whatever.And are you 10,000 You get a one168101:41:01,050 --> 01:41:06,600minute sound clip played. I'mjust dreaming once again, but I168201:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,870can see that I can see listeningto it. Like oh, I'll listen to168301:41:09,870 --> 01:41:11,040this crazy stuff.168401:41:11,190 --> 01:41:15,810That would get nuts. He saysvery cool. questionably legal,168501:41:15,930 --> 01:41:17,160no permission required.168601:41:18,990 --> 01:41:22,710Very questionably legal. Veryquestionable. Running with168701:41:22,710 --> 01:41:23,400Scissors.168801:41:23,670 --> 01:41:30,960Yes. NECA Pfeiffer 7777. Luckynumbers a strike. Getting a168901:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,720striper boost. He says gettingmy boost in early due to a busy169001:41:33,720 --> 01:41:34,950meeting scheduled today.169101:41:35,610 --> 01:41:37,860Very nice. Thank you. Good.169201:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,940And this limiter college Chris,listen to Chris169301:41:42,120 --> 01:41:46,380jumping in like he's been in theboardroom forever. You're such a169401:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,900podcast or room for weeks suchpodcasts169501:41:48,900 --> 01:41:57,330boost, boost, boost, comic stripblogger follow series 15,033.169601:41:57,330 --> 01:42:00,270SAS through fountain and hesays, How do you Dave and Adam,169701:42:00,540 --> 01:42:04,260do you know any movie directorwho needs British actor? I'm169801:42:04,260 --> 01:42:05,190asking. No,169901:42:05,220 --> 01:42:06,270I only know one.170001:42:07,980 --> 01:42:11,970Same here asking because GregoryWilliam Forsythe Foreman from170101:42:11,970 --> 01:42:15,840Kidd, who previously years agowas working as BBC actor is170201:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,890reviving his actor career now.Right anyways, I invite your170301:42:19,890 --> 01:42:22,350audience to listen to ourpodcast about artificial170401:42:22,350 --> 01:42:26,430intelligence. Just enter AI dotcookie in your web browser or170501:42:26,430 --> 01:42:27,390podcast app.170601:42:28,440 --> 01:42:33,660So it's so amazing. This itreally works. Every podcast is170701:42:33,660 --> 01:42:37,440getting boost from from CSV andeveryone knows AI dot cookie,170801:42:37,710 --> 01:42:40,080friends of mine like Hey, what'sthat AI dot cooking show?170901:42:40,950 --> 01:42:43,710And everybody knows that CSV isthe cheapest person on the171001:42:43,710 --> 01:42:44,160planet.171101:42:44,429 --> 01:42:47,189For him to send anything. Yeah,it's working. It's working.171201:42:47,309 --> 01:42:47,609Yeah.171301:42:49,440 --> 01:42:53,190monthly donors that was ourboosts monthly donors through171401:42:53,370 --> 01:42:56,400Pay Pal subscriptions is TimHudgins. $25 He's my buddy,171501:42:56,730 --> 01:43:03,600David would find $3 Duane Goldy$8 Paul Erskine $11.14 Michael171601:43:03,600 --> 01:43:09,450Goggin $5 Charles current $5Christopher reamer $10 Shawn171701:43:09,450 --> 01:43:15,810McCune $20 cone glotzbach $5 andJames Sullivan $10.171801:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,630No, thank you all so much forthose monthlies. Couple other171901:43:18,660 --> 01:43:26,670late entrants in the lit boosts.50,005 sets from blueberry. And172001:43:26,670 --> 01:43:31,260he says from 2012 to 2019, Iwould ask our audio guy to on172101:43:31,260 --> 01:43:34,380tour to do one final soundcheckwith the loadout by Jackson172201:43:34,380 --> 01:43:38,010Browne. That song hits deepThank you blueberry. Screw Dave172301:43:38,010 --> 01:43:38,580Jones.172401:43:39,990 --> 01:43:40,860In there, do you add?172501:43:40,889 --> 01:43:46,859No, I added that. Sir Spencer12345 I'll read this one because172601:43:46,859 --> 01:43:49,439it's a shameless plug. Laureenand I will be interviewing172701:43:49,439 --> 01:43:54,089notorious chyron down on bowlswith buds live Sunday after no172801:43:54,089 --> 01:43:58,409agenda. Love to all the hardworking but board members and172901:43:58,439 --> 01:44:03,359floydian slips who's just hejust keeps on going. 3333 The173001:44:03,359 --> 01:44:06,359only way to tell who's boss isto put your bells on the table.173101:44:06,809 --> 01:44:12,599Ain't that the truth? That wason the table? Yes. Chris, I want173201:44:12,599 --> 01:44:18,899to I want to thank you for yourpodcast. Linux unplugged on my173301:44:18,899 --> 01:44:24,899daily drivers Linux Mint on asurface go version three, which173401:44:24,899 --> 01:44:29,819is quite enjoyable. And I reallyliked the podcast, because it173501:44:29,819 --> 01:44:32,729keeps me up to speed with what'sgoing on in Linux. You know,173601:44:32,729 --> 01:44:35,429sometimes I might look atsomething I might try it out or173701:44:35,549 --> 01:44:38,789I there's something about itthat works really well for, for173801:44:38,789 --> 01:44:43,079me, you know, a full time Linuxuser, but really very casual in173901:44:43,289 --> 01:44:45,839in getting out of the box oranything like that. And it's a174001:44:45,839 --> 01:44:48,299really good show. And I want tothank you for producing that and174101:44:48,299 --> 01:44:48,779doing it.174201:44:49,380 --> 01:44:50,520Well. Thank you. That's great tohear.174301:44:51,990 --> 01:44:52,770You're welcome.174401:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,720You know, really I was justthinking how great is it really174501:44:57,720 --> 01:44:59,430because that's quite thecompliment coming from you. So I174601:44:59,430 --> 01:45:02,760really do preach Shadid if ifwe're saying our thank yous,174701:45:02,970 --> 01:45:06,930thank you guys, really, I thinkpodcasting needed this. I don't174801:45:06,930 --> 01:45:09,300know if I feel like it's toocliche to say it, but maybe174901:45:09,300 --> 01:45:12,030we're saving podcasting rightnow right here. Maybe I'm175001:45:12,030 --> 01:45:13,350witnessing it with you guys. So175101:45:13,380 --> 01:45:15,240with no meetings, Chris, no.175201:45:15,750 --> 01:45:20,730Keys, no meetings with anybodyreally? Yeah, yeah. Well, let's175301:45:20,730 --> 01:45:23,250everybody, that's what's sobeautiful about it, we just we175401:45:23,250 --> 01:45:25,770just the catalyst, that'sbecause of where we were in our175501:45:25,770 --> 01:45:29,640lives and what we want to dowith our lives. And, and I think175601:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,520that needs to be a lot morementoring, because I think we175701:45:32,520 --> 01:45:36,990are older Dave and I are olderthan most people probably. In175801:45:36,990 --> 01:45:39,780the world in the universe. I'molder than wood. I'm older than175901:45:39,780 --> 01:45:45,150wood. But I like it. I likeseeing young energetic talent176001:45:45,150 --> 01:45:49,230from all kinds, just in some ofthe older dudes to Hey, Todd, I176101:45:49,230 --> 01:45:54,180see you. You know, this isreally important, because the176201:45:54,180 --> 01:45:58,170only kind of mentoring that's Iguess, official was like,176301:45:58,170 --> 01:46:03,360podcasts Academy, you know. Sowe can't necessarily tell anyone176401:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,900how to make a successful podcastor content. But there's a lot of176501:46:06,900 --> 01:46:09,570people around us who have greatideas and are being very176601:46:09,570 --> 01:46:13,680successful and just becoming apart of it is, it's, again, it's176701:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,500one of the best things I've everparticipated in my life. It's176801:46:17,850 --> 01:46:21,930I'm always astounded by howbeautiful things work out in176901:46:21,930 --> 01:46:23,370this in this project.177001:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,250Yeah, you know, you guys havebeen joking about the motion for177101:46:26,250 --> 01:46:30,870positivity. But I'm serious.This show is like my positive177201:46:30,870 --> 01:46:35,310moment of the week. I, I alwayslisten on the way home because177301:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,130ultimately, even if you know,Spotify is doing something177401:46:38,130 --> 01:46:41,370stupid, or, you know,Andreessen, what's his face is177501:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,730doesn't know about happening,like, yeah, that stuff. It's177601:46:44,730 --> 01:46:48,210annoying. But when you zoom outand witness what's happening,177701:46:48,690 --> 01:46:52,710and when you see the kind of thepodcasters getting it, you see177801:46:52,710 --> 01:46:55,680the audience getting it, you seethe app developers are getting177901:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,860it, posting platforms will catchup, or will just build around?178001:46:58,890 --> 01:47:01,710Well, they're already they're onboard. They're on board there.178101:47:01,740 --> 01:47:03,030They are pushing hard.178201:47:03,060 --> 01:47:08,910Yeah. Yeah. Chris, I would likeit seemed appropriate to give178301:47:08,910 --> 01:47:13,740you the opportunity to followthe first pimp. Oh, and tell him178401:47:14,190 --> 01:47:18,510tell the board. Is there any? Isthere any enhancements or things178501:47:18,510 --> 01:47:21,840that you think should be done inpodcasting? To what what are178601:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,240your Do you have an idea thatyou've been thinking of that you178701:47:24,240 --> 01:47:26,130would like to submit to the pinboard?178801:47:26,580 --> 01:47:29,340I'll be honest with you, I thinkit's I think there's still so178901:47:29,340 --> 01:47:31,860many of the very initial ideasthat we needed to see wider179001:47:31,860 --> 01:47:35,040adoption. That's where I'm at,you know, I come from the Linux179101:47:35,040 --> 01:47:37,830community. And I've been alittle surprised that there's179201:47:37,830 --> 01:47:40,890been a slower uptake over there,it's not totally slow. There's179301:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,830there are a lot of people getit, because I feel like what's179401:47:43,830 --> 01:47:46,470being developed here couldeventually one day apply to free179501:47:46,470 --> 01:47:49,050software as well, if you getpeople on the Lightning Network179601:47:49,050 --> 01:47:52,290that are listening to a Linuxpodcast, and some other Linux179701:47:52,290 --> 01:47:55,020podcasters get on there. And youstart having 1000s of people179801:47:55,020 --> 01:47:57,120that are on the LightningNetwork that like Linux, and179901:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,130then free software projectsstart getting on the Lightning180001:47:59,130 --> 01:48:01,170Network, I think you could seepeople supporting free software180101:48:01,170 --> 01:48:05,040pretty quick. So I kind of I cansee this growing beyond just180201:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,500podcasting. But in terms of thatstuff, I feel like there's still180301:48:07,500 --> 01:48:10,500so many things that we need appsto support or we need the180401:48:10,500 --> 01:48:14,280ability to do via the web orthat kind of stuff. So I don't180501:48:14,280 --> 01:48:16,800know I my motion would be tofocus on the on the core180601:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,190features and really just getadoption out there. But there's180701:48:20,190 --> 01:48:22,500only so much you guys can dodirectly about that. Right? But180801:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,210you innovate but adopt180901:48:24,240 --> 01:48:29,040adoption is up to podcasters.Right? That podcasters got to181001:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,400tell their their theirlisteners, their communities,181101:48:32,400 --> 01:48:35,190their whatever you want to callthem, their producers. You181201:48:35,220 --> 01:48:37,980that's how that's the only wayit spreads. That's, that's what181301:48:37,980 --> 01:48:41,970works. That's your one. Oneperson talking about? It goes to181401:48:42,240 --> 01:48:46,8301000 10,000 You know, whatever apodcast has this. That's it.181501:48:46,830 --> 01:48:51,330That's the adoption. There's no,no yeah, we could spend 50,000181601:48:51,330 --> 01:48:56,010be gold with with diamond tipsponsor a Podcast Movement and181701:48:56,010 --> 01:48:58,470get a keynote out of it notaccusing anyone of everything.181801:48:58,470 --> 01:49:01,500I'm just saying that's, that's away you can do it that but that181901:49:01,500 --> 01:49:04,020money, the money's not there.And quite frankly, I think this182001:49:04,020 --> 01:49:06,600is not the future of anyanything that we're looking at.182101:49:06,840 --> 01:49:10,050shits falling apart. Now thesestreamers are in trouble.182201:49:10,260 --> 01:49:13,800Podcast tivity they know this isit's very positive. Well, and I182301:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,560think this, but I think thiswhat you're saying Chris is both182401:49:16,560 --> 01:49:21,870for me. Now, I'm a participantin the show. But the way I see182501:49:21,870 --> 01:49:24,030it is, you know, there's allthese things that are going on,182601:49:24,030 --> 01:49:26,430and this is in trouble. Andthese guys are shit. And they're182701:49:26,430 --> 01:49:29,850doing that and Apple doesn'tcare. But I always know but look182801:49:29,850 --> 01:49:33,120at this great group of peopledoing cool shit, and it's just182901:49:33,120 --> 01:49:38,430moving forward. And I don't useapple. I use things that work183001:49:38,430 --> 01:49:41,970for me and the people who listento my podcast. Like no agenda is183101:49:41,970 --> 01:49:45,210not on Spotify hasn't heard mebecause the people who want to183201:49:45,210 --> 01:49:48,990listen to me, they will get anapp that works for them. So the183301:49:48,990 --> 01:49:53,010adaption part, it's if you canget your own audience to adopt183401:49:53,010 --> 01:49:56,730it. That's the key that everyoneneeds them. I can work it work183501:49:56,730 --> 01:50:01,080at a local level. Get your ownaudience to adopt it. everything183601:50:01,080 --> 01:50:02,160else falls into place.183701:50:02,969 --> 01:50:05,759I think that's it. That's athat's really well said. And I183801:50:05,759 --> 01:50:09,809feel like as a podcaster, that'sbeen doing it for a while, I've183901:50:09,809 --> 01:50:12,929always felt like I'm just out onmy own doing this all by myself184001:50:12,959 --> 01:50:15,419just doing my own thing, whichhas been fine. There's elements184101:50:15,419 --> 01:50:20,399of that I've liked a lot. But aswe've started getting more and184201:50:20,399 --> 01:50:25,199more into the podcasting toDotto community, it's felt like184301:50:25,199 --> 01:50:28,229now we're part of somethingbigger, and something that's184401:50:28,229 --> 01:50:31,679trying to make the mediumbetter. Yes. And the motivations184501:50:31,679 --> 01:50:34,229are pure, and it's somethingthat feels healthy to me as184601:50:34,229 --> 01:50:36,959somebody who makes his livingoff of this i and that's it.184701:50:36,959 --> 01:50:39,239There's an element of that, too.It's like this is spot on for my184801:50:39,269 --> 01:50:40,649business spot on.184901:50:40,740 --> 01:50:41,940You're exactly right.185001:50:42,480 --> 01:50:48,750It's a lot better to unify as a,as an as an industry or as a lot185101:50:48,750 --> 01:50:56,850better to unify around featuresand innovation than it is to185201:50:57,030 --> 01:51:01,200round award shows. Yeah, and$200 memberships to the podcast.185301:51:01,200 --> 01:51:01,410Okay.185401:51:01,410 --> 01:51:04,140I'm sorry, it's I don't want tosound negative. And I agree with185501:51:04,140 --> 01:51:08,520you. You would just yeah, it'sjust a lot more fun. We're185601:51:08,520 --> 01:51:12,600getting more done. Everyone'swelcome to participate185701:51:14,070 --> 01:51:16,860is decentralized, but we'repeered you know, it's like we're185801:51:17,400 --> 01:51:22,050law and also there's so muchmoney drive trying to drive185901:51:22,050 --> 01:51:28,860success from Spotify from Amazonwondery. Who else is in the186001:51:28,860 --> 01:51:34,950game? I mean, there's, there'ssuch a drive to turn it into186101:51:34,950 --> 01:51:39,420kind of a Hollywood, that now asa podcast, or like you, Chris,186201:51:39,540 --> 01:51:45,510we are now known as Indies. AndI just hate that. I mean, I love186301:51:45,510 --> 01:51:48,960that I'm independent, but don'tput a label. I'm a podcaster.186401:51:48,960 --> 01:51:53,400Don't call me an indie podcast.And yeah, it's really it's rude.186501:51:53,430 --> 01:51:55,590I'm a very successful podcaster.186601:51:56,130 --> 01:51:59,490And I feel like what's happeningon the on kind of like the back186701:51:59,490 --> 01:52:04,260end is we're building this thisnetwork that is available to all186801:52:04,260 --> 01:52:06,990podcasters that is completelydecentralized. Yet everybody's186901:52:06,990 --> 01:52:10,650incentives aligned. Exactly.It's, it's, it's, it's great. If187001:52:10,650 --> 01:52:14,280like a podcaster, who makes acompeting podcast to me, I win187101:52:14,280 --> 01:52:17,910if they start taking votes.That's, that's pretty powerful.187201:52:17,940 --> 01:52:23,520Yep. Yeah, you win big time youbeat out the whole system.187301:52:24,270 --> 01:52:27,330Yeah, it's an it's a networkeffect. And it just grows. And187401:52:27,330 --> 01:52:29,250so you could have thesecentralized entities like187501:52:29,250 --> 01:52:32,100Spotify or Apple trying togenerate revenue models around187601:52:32,100 --> 01:52:36,060podcasting. I have, you know,I've seen that go. And I've seen187701:52:36,060 --> 01:52:38,700them, try it. I've seen otherstry it. I've seen it fail. But187801:52:38,790 --> 01:52:41,460this is something decentralized.And that, to me feels more187901:52:41,460 --> 01:52:44,310sustainable. It's more true toRSS, which, and podcasts which188001:52:44,310 --> 01:52:46,710is decentralized, right, it'sjust really in line with all of188101:52:46,710 --> 01:52:50,220it. I like it a lot. So thankyou guys, really forgetting it's188201:52:50,220 --> 01:52:50,520going.188301:52:50,580 --> 01:52:53,520And there's a lot more coming.There's a lot of apps and188401:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,520services that that haveapproached us and that are188501:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,150working on stuff. And I thinkwe're going to be very surprised188601:53:00,150 --> 01:53:04,140and the next next six monthsjust of the adoption, it's this.188701:53:04,890 --> 01:53:08,820You can feel it everywhere. It'sjust happening and, and we're188801:53:08,820 --> 01:53:11,370kind of removed from it, which Ilove. That's what I like so188901:53:11,370 --> 01:53:13,980much. It's like there's no talkabout Dave and Adam, per se.189001:53:13,980 --> 01:53:17,490It's just podcasting. 2.0 lovethat. Yep.189101:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,660Yep, for sure. Oh, he's just afew spaces removed, though. You189201:53:21,660 --> 01:53:23,370know, I think people know,people know,189301:53:23,519 --> 01:53:24,239we know what189401:53:25,410 --> 01:53:26,640the work you guys are doing.189501:53:27,510 --> 01:53:29,790I guess my point is doesn'tmatter. That's what makes it189601:53:30,360 --> 01:53:34,230successful. Doesn't matter.David, I have to remind each189701:53:34,230 --> 01:53:36,480other and say, Hey, man, did younotice that this thing is kind189801:53:36,480 --> 01:53:44,640of working? Oh, yeah, you'reright. Yep. So Dave, closing189901:53:44,640 --> 01:53:50,460comments. Dave, have you alreadylet us board the board room?190001:53:51,000 --> 01:53:56,010No, no, you call me coming outthe bathroom? The see?190101:53:56,849 --> 01:54:00,509What is this? What is that from?190201:54:01,950 --> 01:54:05,460That's an ISO of Tod B.190301:54:05,490 --> 01:54:09,120That's end of show right there.Whatever that is, is beautiful.190401:54:09,660 --> 01:54:12,450You're welcome. Yeah, I've gotsomething else but it's a big190501:54:12,450 --> 01:54:14,070topic. Let's save it for nextweek. Okay,190601:54:14,100 --> 01:54:17,490excellent. Chris Fisher's. Youcan find them Jupiter190701:54:17,490 --> 01:54:19,290broadcasting.com I believe.190801:54:20,010 --> 01:54:22,980Jupiter broadcasting commrequest for Jupiter190901:54:22,980 --> 01:54:26,970broadcasting.net. This is ourtest site. Our community is191001:54:26,970 --> 01:54:30,240building us a new website andI'd love feedback. Cool, cool.191101:54:30,270 --> 01:54:32,310Yeah, they can let us know andGitHub, Jupiter broadcasting191201:54:32,310 --> 01:54:34,170dotnet is our in Developmentwebsite.191301:54:34,200 --> 01:54:38,070And of course, they file a pimpat Jupiter broadcasting on191401:54:38,070 --> 01:54:38,910GitHub. Well,191501:54:39,000 --> 01:54:40,620I guess you know, a boring oldissue.191601:54:41,010 --> 01:54:43,980Okay. Not everybody can be apimp.191701:54:44,070 --> 01:54:47,010Then of course the theoutstanding Linux unplugged191801:54:47,010 --> 01:54:49,680podcast, really appreciate youdropping by the board meeting191901:54:49,710 --> 01:54:52,320and have yourself a greatweekend, Chris. Thanks,192001:54:52,320 --> 01:54:55,470gentlemen. You too. Okay. Dave,my brother. Have a good one.192101:54:56,010 --> 01:54:58,620All right, man. Have a goodweekend. Don't go in. I'm off to192201:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,590two Fix a clutch in the truck.192301:55:02,340 --> 01:55:06,120Yeah, it's not what the kids arecalling it these days. Go fix192401:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,390the clutch. That's it forpodcasting. 2.0 This is the192501:55:09,390 --> 01:55:11,880conclusion of the board meetingcatch us back here next week192601:55:11,880 --> 01:55:13,140until then see everybody192701:55:28,740 --> 01:55:33,270You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast192801:55:33,300 --> 01:55:35,820index.org For more information192901:55:42,090 --> 01:55:44,100be