Episode 93: Motion of Positivity

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,360 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for July 15 2020, to Episode 93 motion of 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:14,430 positivity. Hey, now, we're back. Did you miss us QQ Fridays 3 00:00:14,430 --> 00:00:17,520 and once again for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,290 Everything happening at podcast index.org with the podcast 5 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:26,220 standards namespace and of course, what's really happening 6 00:00:26,220 --> 00:00:28,890 in podcasting takes that social if you're not that yourself, 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,860 even if you are, I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas 8 00:00:31,860 --> 00:00:34,800 Hill Country and not from Alabama, because you can call 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,830 him the Florida man, my friend on the other end, ladies and 10 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:40,260 gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 11 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:46,650 I am I'm on I'm on location. Yeah, to get to yes. We just 12 00:00:46,650 --> 00:00:48,180 need a hurricane that would make it better 13 00:00:48,180 --> 00:00:51,510 get the hurricane sounds you know, we had a we had hurricane 14 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:56,700 winds here the other day. In Texas. Yeah, we there was shit 15 00:00:56,700 --> 00:01:01,020 flying flying around the house. A tree came down block the 16 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:03,510 driveway. It was really exciting. 17 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:08,370 Holy cow. Yeah. Is is life and property. Okay. 18 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:11,100 Now life and property is okay. But I was you know, I was just 19 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:14,040 doing the post production with Devorah co no agenda and Tina 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,820 comes in because she was home from work. And she has his look 21 00:01:17,820 --> 00:01:21,240 on her face. Like, she's fine around trees down. I couldn't 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,510 get the car through. And you left the meat out? 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:25,920 To me. Yeah. 24 00:01:26,220 --> 00:01:31,050 Supposed to put it in the fridge and defrost. So that of course 25 00:01:31,050 --> 00:01:33,360 was the real problem is I left the meat out. 26 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:37,440 I've got this. Okay, so I've got a great, I've got a great story 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,160 about meat. 28 00:01:38,850 --> 00:01:41,940 Yeah, you know what the many relationship has started that 29 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:45,060 way. But they were this story. Pay Attention everybody. 30 00:01:46,350 --> 00:01:52,800 So a buddy of mine was like I did like amateur amateur 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,460 filmmaking when Yeah, when he was young. So one time when he 32 00:01:56,460 --> 00:02:00,360 was a teenager. He they're making, they're making like a 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,020 film like a slasher film. And so they needed they're gonna do 34 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:09,240 this scene where you had to have where this the slasher was going 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,060 to come out of the die jump out of the woods. And you and take a 36 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:16,890 weedeater enlightened ran the weed eater into the chest of of, 37 00:02:17,820 --> 00:02:21,750 of the purse of the love that yeah, that's perfect. And then 38 00:02:21,750 --> 00:02:27,540 bloods gonna go out everywhere. Yeah. So they needed like, a ton 39 00:02:27,540 --> 00:02:31,470 of fake blood is what he what he found out was like, if you put 40 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:36,240 somehow if you put gasoline in the fake blood, then it would, 41 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,560 it would like thin it out to the right consistency where it would 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,640 fly. Anyway, somehow 43 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,010 I already have a bad feeling about this story with the 44 00:02:44,010 --> 00:02:45,030 gasoline engine. 45 00:02:46,170 --> 00:02:49,680 So what could go wrong? They made up all this fake blood and 46 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,130 then put put the gasoline in it like just a little bit of 47 00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:56,700 gasoline. And then they had to keep it refrigerated in order to 48 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:59,400 keep it from like sport, like spoiling because they had to 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,440 make it with something I don't know, ketchup or something. 50 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:06,480 sticks it in the fridge. And this is the sticks it in the 51 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:12,090 same refrigerator that his dad had just bought, like, like $700 52 00:03:12,090 --> 00:03:17,970 of meat. And so within 24 hours, all the meats and meat smelled 53 00:03:17,970 --> 00:03:23,550 like tastes like gasoline. No. Like yeah, it was like he had to 54 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:26,730 like run away, you know, from getting beat to death. 55 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,500 So a couple of things. One, there's some kind of low hum 56 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:36,000 going on on your end because yeah, I don't know. We don't 57 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,800 have to figure out it's just I can just hear maybe y'all if 58 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,810 there's areas and that's it. And I hear someone in the background 59 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:48,270 just like some kind of intruder in the boardroom and it's just 60 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:51,000 like just the third voice on the show. What's going on. Where are 61 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,410 you Dave Jones? What's happening? 62 00:03:53,010 --> 00:03:57,060 I'm in Jacksonville, Florida at the Buzzsprout mothership. The 63 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:57,780 headquarters 64 00:03:57,810 --> 00:04:02,010 Oh, hey. Yes. How does Tom look in person as easy? As cute as I 65 00:04:02,010 --> 00:04:02,640 remember him? 66 00:04:03,090 --> 00:04:06,840 No much cuter, much more attractive than the photos. 67 00:04:07,590 --> 00:04:11,430 Thank you, Tom. How are you man? Good. How are you? 68 00:04:11,490 --> 00:04:14,520 I'm real good. It's actually kind of fortuitous that you're 69 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,980 on the show with this. I'm sorry, in the boardroom with us 70 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:22,020 today. Since there's been a kind of a hosting company like story 71 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:28,290 out there. Ooh. Ooh, 72 00:04:28,350 --> 00:04:29,940 I like it. I like it. 73 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:35,190 I don't know. I don't think there's a kerfuffle i I've 74 00:04:35,190 --> 00:04:37,110 learned a lot of interesting information. 75 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:40,860 Like what what have you What have you learned? What are you 76 00:04:40,860 --> 00:04:41,310 learning? 77 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:46,830 Well, I learned that the dude who set up anchor really didn't 78 00:04:46,830 --> 00:04:50,730 know what podcasting 2.0 was really didn't really had no 79 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:58,440 education. And so the learning was this curry, you idiot. Don't 80 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,200 you remember what Silicon Valley is? like everyone's doing other 81 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,290 things, and they're not, they're not paying attention to the 82 00:05:04,290 --> 00:05:07,470 industry. They're the shit. They're going to do what they 83 00:05:07,470 --> 00:05:10,980 got to do. And when some, that's how you miss stuff. And this is 84 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:15,180 as old as silica as big tech is when big tech was little tech. 85 00:05:15,930 --> 00:05:17,070 It's just what happens. 86 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:25,680 I've got this. I don't think that he didn't know what 87 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,400 podcasting to 88 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:32,160 know, Dave yet. He had no idea what what we've been doing. No, 89 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,610 I didn't know. I mean, if all of all the things and that's fine. 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,530 I'm not blaming him for 91 00:05:37,530 --> 00:05:41,400 it. We were talking about this earlier, Dave and I were just 92 00:05:41,850 --> 00:05:42,450 talking about 93 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:45,330 like, this is Oh, wait a minute. You've had you've had a board 94 00:05:45,330 --> 00:05:46,650 meeting before the board meeting? 95 00:05:46,650 --> 00:05:50,280 No, no, no, no, definitely, definitely not. Not a board 96 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,080 meeting. But we were just reminiscing because Dave, and 97 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,940 I've, you know, been in the technology space for a long 98 00:05:53,940 --> 00:05:57,480 time. But like, like the old days of CompuServe and AOL. And, 99 00:05:57,780 --> 00:06:00,090 you know, remember when they were trying to do the same kind 100 00:06:00,090 --> 00:06:02,910 of thing where they didn't want the web because the web, you 101 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:05,970 could just get to it from anywhere except one exclusive 102 00:06:05,970 --> 00:06:09,420 content that you could only get on AOL. And they were trying to 103 00:06:09,540 --> 00:06:11,460 build like their own ability. 104 00:06:11,790 --> 00:06:15,240 Not even that, Tom, it was dangerous on that web. You don't 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,930 want to go there. You want to stay away. Dave is dangerous. 106 00:06:19,380 --> 00:06:22,110 Do not stay in our playground. It's so much safer. 107 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:27,330 And I think there were sincere. That was that was truly AOL is 108 00:06:27,330 --> 00:06:29,880 kind of mission. I mean, there was you could get lots of you 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,060 can get into some trouble on those. On those message boards 110 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:39,450 on AOL. Yeah. But then people kept kept demanding for the for 111 00:06:39,450 --> 00:06:41,940 the cool stuff for the day. People always want the dangerous 112 00:06:41,940 --> 00:06:45,420 stuff. They always do it for a large enough section does 113 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:49,290 for it to innovate and get better. It has to it has to 114 00:06:49,290 --> 00:06:50,430 break out. And 115 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,700 we should probably we should probably tell people what we're 116 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:56,160 talking about. I don't know. I don't know if everybody knows 117 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,540 exactly what we're talking about. 118 00:06:58,770 --> 00:07:03,300 Well, we are talking about the article from Mike. MiG mag Nano. 119 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:07,770 What was the title of that article? Like? Are they get the 120 00:07:07,770 --> 00:07:11,820 pot pot the standards innovation dilemma or something like that? 121 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:14,970 Or? I have to have a copy of it here. 122 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,250 Yeah, I have it here. I can't. Oh, yeah. 123 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:25,530 Here it is. Stands standards innovation paradox paradox. Yes. 124 00:07:25,530 --> 00:07:31,710 That's it. That's it. The paradox. Yeah. That, so I'm not 125 00:07:31,710 --> 00:07:36,840 so sure that he I don't. I see. I hear what you're saying that. 126 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,990 But But I also think some of that I'm not. Let me say this, I 127 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:50,610 think I think Mike he makes some decent points. I just disagree 128 00:07:50,610 --> 00:07:56,280 with the fundamental premise premise that standards constrain 129 00:07:56,310 --> 00:08:01,770 you and prevent innovation. Because you are adhering to a 130 00:08:01,770 --> 00:08:05,040 standard. And if you innovate, you break the standard. That's 131 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,840 just not that's not the way standards work. The standard, 132 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,070 the standard is what I had communicated on Twitter when I 133 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:17,910 was talking to him a little bit. This, the standard is really the 134 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:22,440 standard not really RSS, the standard is we're all going to 135 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,150 use RSS, that's the standard, the format that we've agreed to 136 00:08:27,150 --> 00:08:31,560 use as RSS. And the format itself can be expanded, 137 00:08:31,590 --> 00:08:36,660 improved, innovated on very easily with zero breakage at 138 00:08:36,660 --> 00:08:40,590 all. And that's what that's what's been happening. So to say 139 00:08:40,590 --> 00:08:46,260 that you cannot innovate, if you have a standard is that's, it's, 140 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,590 it's not just wrong. It's demonstrably wrong is provably 141 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:51,360 wrong, because we have been doing it. 142 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:54,060 But let me let me give you a little background as to why 143 00:08:54,210 --> 00:08:56,580 the internet, I just feel like the internet was built on 144 00:08:56,580 --> 00:08:57,210 standard. 145 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,790 Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Before we get into 146 00:08:59,790 --> 00:09:03,180 standards, let me just make my case. Because cuz I don't know, 147 00:09:03,180 --> 00:09:06,180 everyone's talking about every single podcast has had this 148 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:09,690 argument, or this this? You know, I think we can approach it 149 00:09:09,690 --> 00:09:17,490 from a different perspective. The first part is he is 150 00:09:17,490 --> 00:09:22,440 absolutely right when anchor was kind of transitioning, adding 151 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,480 RSS becoming a free hosting platform. You know, maybe 152 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,970 Spotify was sniffing around early I don't know exactly the 153 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:34,620 timeline. But at that point in time, three to three years ago, 154 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:39,300 how many years ago? Do you know Tom? Oh, when did when did they 155 00:09:39,300 --> 00:09:41,700 really start offering three years ago, two or three years 156 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:45,750 ago, okay. In the middle of the pandemic, or maybe right before, 157 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,110 up until that point, there had been 10 years of stagnation. In 158 00:09:52,110 --> 00:09:55,110 the end you know it because Buzzsprout knows this blueberry 159 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:59,400 No, everybody knows this. rss.com There wasn't there was 160 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,790 very little Innovation to do because of another dilemma which 161 00:10:02,790 --> 00:10:08,310 we have a name, which is namely, a big tech company adopted the 162 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:12,120 standard and then decided they were not interested in or 163 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,180 adopted the format and the standard and decided they were 164 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:17,580 not interested in really innovating, and everyone was 165 00:10:17,580 --> 00:10:22,680 stuck. Because no one just said, Hey, you know, we're willing to 166 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:24,600 admit now, everyone said everything, but nothing 167 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,400 happened. And we not. We had academies and boards and slack 168 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,400 groups and all kinds of stuff, and nothing ever happened. So. 169 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,490 So from his perspective, at that point, you know, he had a huge 170 00:10:38,490 --> 00:10:41,970 opportunity to bring all of that to Spotify, make some good 171 00:10:41,970 --> 00:10:46,020 money, which is fantastic. Which, of course, also set up 172 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:48,270 the rest of the business, like, oh, you know, what's going on 173 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:52,080 here, as people are exiting this is nice. Certainly, for some 174 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,040 companies have been doing this for 10 or 15 years. And, and 175 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,700 that guy is completely focused on how do I make Spotify? You 176 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:03,330 know, how do I integrate? And he's saying, Oh, this is finally 177 00:11:03,330 --> 00:11:05,760 this is great. You know, we've had 10 years of bullcrap, we're 178 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,370 just gonna do it all. And you know, maybe we'll publish 179 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:10,500 something out, it is not interested in that it just wants 180 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:15,180 to do podcasting within Spotify. And then we crop up two years 181 00:11:15,180 --> 00:11:19,170 ago, I don't think we were on his radar for a very long time. 182 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:23,010 And, you know, this is also we're living in pandemic times, 183 00:11:23,010 --> 00:11:25,530 and lots of shits going on, I really don't think he was 184 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,610 familiar at all with what we're doing, that there's 58 apps and 185 00:11:29,610 --> 00:11:33,840 services already using it. You know, he recognized that I think 186 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,970 it was actually quite kind by saying, Hey, you haven't heard 187 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:38,430 him on pod plan. It's like, no, seems like those guys have 188 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:42,780 traction. But if he knew, or here's part of the conversation 189 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:45,870 that didn't come across, or in the article, that there are 190 00:11:45,870 --> 00:11:50,160 hundreds of 1000s of feeds that already declare the namespace 191 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,060 there, I don't know 1000s 10s of 1000s. If you look at at least 192 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:59,820 one, one namespace tag, they're offering the content. I mean, 193 00:11:59,850 --> 00:12:05,310 we've we've solved the biggest problem, we have the very nice 194 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:11,610 selection of hosting companies publishing this content. So the 195 00:12:11,610 --> 00:12:14,730 whole conversation is moot every argument he made his mood, 196 00:12:14,730 --> 00:12:17,100 because it's not about innovation, we've done the 197 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,760 innovation. Why do you not take that innovation? Why are you 198 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,190 reinventing that? Inside? So there's no paradox? The article 199 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:29,910 is not just not honest. Because they're not innovating? Well, 200 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:31,710 it's not honest. Because he didn't write it with the 201 00:12:31,710 --> 00:12:34,470 knowledge of what we're doing. I'm convinced I want to give him 202 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:38,580 that benefit of the doubt. I and you know, and, and he's playing 203 00:12:38,580 --> 00:12:41,400 corporate, he just he just got out. He's got some, you know, 204 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,220 he's probably civilized stock or options, doesn't want to rock 205 00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:47,460 the boat. You know, the stock has already suppressed. He wants 206 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:50,250 to be an angel investor. He's he talked like a VC. 207 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,570 Yeah, that's the thing I took away from the article is that he 208 00:12:54,570 --> 00:12:58,770 taught this is an investor writing investor is an investor 209 00:12:58,770 --> 00:13:03,390 writing investor, everything's not. And I think there's also, 210 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:09,120 there's also an issue here of it would talk about this with Tom, 211 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,380 is that I don't think people understand. I don't I don't 212 00:13:13,380 --> 00:13:17,640 think people understand open source. Now. And let me let me 213 00:13:17,850 --> 00:13:18,210 isn't that 214 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:21,390 something you give $100,000 to and say checkmark? 215 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:27,120 Yeah, right. Yeah. That's, like people use open source. I mean, 216 00:13:27,150 --> 00:13:31,110 every every podcast hosting company, is going to use Linux 217 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:34,830 in some way every every hosting company is going to use, you 218 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:38,040 know, RSS in some way. I mean, it sounds silly to say that they 219 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,450 don't understand open source. But what I mean, is they I don't 220 00:13:42,450 --> 00:13:46,800 think a lot of companies understand the participation 221 00:13:46,830 --> 00:13:50,250 within open source. They don't understand what the open source 222 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:53,970 culture is like, No, I don't think they're companies are not 223 00:13:53,970 --> 00:13:58,500 run as open source companies. So that that's those are the those 224 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:00,600 are different things. Those are a difference. I mean, it's 225 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,480 different to just use open source software in your stack 226 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,560 somewhere, versus understanding the culture of what open source 227 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:12,750 is. And that's, that's the thing that that's the thing that the 228 00:14:12,750 --> 00:14:15,420 podcasting people know project does that is different from 229 00:14:15,450 --> 00:14:18,630 other things like the RSS advisory board, and things like 230 00:14:18,630 --> 00:14:22,680 that is this is open source. We're not just developing a 231 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,440 standard. We're not just developing the namespace. We're 232 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:32,310 also developing software, code, examples, the community all of 233 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:34,770 the things that go around it, that's how you that's what open 234 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:38,250 source. That's what an open source organization looks like. 235 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:42,870 In lots, lots of companies, especially anchor I mean, anchor 236 00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:46,800 was started as a Silicon Valley startup. It was a standard 237 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,040 Silicon Valley startup looking for an exit strategy. They just 238 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,310 they were going to do quote unquote, social audio, just like 239 00:14:54,990 --> 00:14:57,780 you know, clubhouse clubhouse and all that. Yeah, that's what 240 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:01,980 it was. All the other examples Yeah, it was clubhouse before 241 00:15:01,980 --> 00:15:06,930 clubhouse and then they and then they pivoted into RSS to come 242 00:15:06,930 --> 00:15:10,230 upon podcast hosts and Spotify came along along and bought 243 00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:16,290 them. Their DNA is not in open source, no collaboration with 244 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:19,920 the community, their DNA is in Silicon Valley investment. 245 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:26,520 Correct. And I'm going to go with your assumption now that 246 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:30,840 anchor will just probably close up shop eventually it'll become 247 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:37,230 the on ramp into Spotify. They will it'll be unlikely that they 248 00:15:38,130 --> 00:15:40,920 they publish anything back or that they tried to create a you 249 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,800 know, some kind of new format standard cetera maybe that's in 250 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:54,030 the in the planning somewhere. And I always laugh about all the 251 00:15:55,980 --> 00:15:58,710 this is gonna sound it's gonna sound shitty, i There's no other 252 00:15:58,710 --> 00:16:04,770 way to say it. Everybody's so fucking horny for money. That's 253 00:16:04,770 --> 00:16:09,240 why no one rocks the boat with companies like, like Spotify. 254 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:13,530 With podcasts index was started partially because of Spotify, 255 00:16:13,710 --> 00:16:18,630 and Apple and Amazon and Google deep platforming people and 256 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:22,080 messing around with their API and giving it you know, and it 257 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,400 was obvious, they, they, it's the typical Silicon Valley 258 00:16:26,430 --> 00:16:30,660 model. You do all the work, user generated content is what it 259 00:16:30,660 --> 00:16:33,900 used to be called, give us all that will make money out of it, 260 00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:42,630 and you get nothing. And look at look at Spotify as a company. If 261 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:45,090 you listen to we, I think we played those clips a long time 262 00:16:45,090 --> 00:16:49,080 ago, the Chief Technology Officer, she's really saying, 263 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,020 Yeah, you should be lucky, we allow you on our platform, you 264 00:16:52,020 --> 00:16:55,950 should be paying us. And yeah, and you know, it's it's not just 265 00:16:55,950 --> 00:16:58,380 Spotify, it's the entire industry and legislation and a 266 00:16:58,380 --> 00:17:04,950 lot of gangsters involved in how little artists get paid. Spotify 267 00:17:04,950 --> 00:17:08,910 doesn't care. And we all know, their whole strategy was, hey, 268 00:17:08,910 --> 00:17:11,250 let's get people listening to something else that we pay 269 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:19,710 nothing for. Okay. So they do not value. Podcast content, they 270 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:22,530 just don't value it. In fact, when people say, you know, how 271 00:17:22,530 --> 00:17:25,980 did Joe get there? Joe Rogan get that $200 million deal? Say, 272 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:28,830 Well, that's easy. He did he never put his content on 273 00:17:28,830 --> 00:17:31,050 Spotify, and they just kept calling. You said, No, I'm not 274 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,870 going to I don't want to be on Spotify. Why would I do that? 275 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,110 Individually, it gave him $200 million to go to Spotify. Yeah. 276 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,160 Now, I just think it's this. It's the same story everywhere 277 00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:51,840 of companies trying to dominate a space trying to build a walled 278 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,350 garden. So they can define the rules. Once they own the space, 279 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:58,410 they can make the rules, anything they want. And so they 280 00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:03,360 try to convince us that things will be better if we let them 281 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:07,290 control everything. And that's just, it's just not true. We 282 00:18:07,290 --> 00:18:10,350 know from history in the internet was built from this 283 00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:14,100 place of recognizing, wait a minute, we grow better together 284 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:19,470 through competing ideas, and having all this opportunity to 285 00:18:19,470 --> 00:18:22,470 be able to collaborate and define standards for which we 286 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:25,770 can build upon and then build competing products that will 287 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:29,430 eventually make everything in whatever area workings better. 288 00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:33,210 So here's my problem cast, everyone says that everyone 289 00:18:33,210 --> 00:18:36,450 talks that way. But everyone did the Spotify integration, 290 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:39,330 everybody did the YouTube integration. And you know what, 291 00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:42,540 you're gonna get a big fat middle finger from Spotify. Hey, 292 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:45,030 thanks for integrating thanks for helping people get their 293 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:50,220 content that we pay nothing for under our platform by that's 294 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:54,810 literally what's gonna happen. And you know, and so, when I was 295 00:18:54,810 --> 00:18:58,980 laughing, I misinterpreted when I first heard it, my wife sent 296 00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:01,740 me straight. But you know, James Cridland said something to the 297 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:05,910 effect of, well, you know, because I posted and I did this 298 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:10,650 with some thought, Spotify is the shit coin is the Bitcoin of 299 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:14,250 podcasting. And, but I said, it was some thought, because if you 300 00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:19,170 look at Bitcoin, which has simply said, no CEO, no boss, is 301 00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:23,820 the same as RSS. And so everything else, every other 302 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:27,720 thing that's developed in house that has a boss that has a CEO 303 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,200 and therefore probably doesn't have the longevity. Anyway, 304 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:36,120 James's point was, you know, Adam, you know, he says, maybe 305 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:40,710 the reason why Spotify has not been interested in podcasting. 306 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:46,980 2.0 is because, you know, I'm a dick, basically, and I kind of 307 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,120 for a minute, I'm like, wow, how do I feel about that? And my 308 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:55,020 wife had a little much softer interpretation. But it's 309 00:19:55,020 --> 00:20:00,480 important to say because, you know, you can't you cannot You 310 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:07,650 cannot compromise with them. It's who they are. And they're 311 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:11,250 not bad people. That's just what they're going to do. And you 312 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:15,960 watch with the downturn that's coming. This, you know, all the 313 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,720 production money's gonna get a little tighter, that's when he's 314 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,200 gonna get a little tighter. You know, their free money ride is 315 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,830 kind of over. So there's really nothing to worry about. If 316 00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:29,640 anything, I'm super happy that Michael wrote this, this this 317 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,410 post, because it's a tipping point for us. This is who was it 318 00:20:34,410 --> 00:20:38,430 on on on podcasting? Next is social who said this kind of 319 00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:41,250 like a Barbra Streisand. You know, no one's supposed to know 320 00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:44,790 about podcasts, or no, but thanks. And then I hear like, 321 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:47,970 a Streisand moment is Oh, yeah. 322 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:51,120 And then I hear that, you know, for me, that's one of the top 323 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:56,520 two pod podcasting kind of news and information podcast, new 324 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,060 media show and pod land. And we're all over the place, the 325 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:05,730 guy that you know, called value for value silly internet tokens. 326 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:11,190 It has a whole boost to Graham corner. I mean, come on. I mean, 327 00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:14,940 we're, it's we're having such success. And this just to me 328 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,450 push a little bit further. And I would say thanks to the 329 00:21:18,450 --> 00:21:23,550 comments, or the the comment like threaded boosts on on 330 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:27,120 fountain. That's how I can see this kind of new users coming 331 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,320 online. Of course, the booths are all like one Satoshi. So you 332 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:31,530 know, 333 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,610 we're gonna have to limit that, by the way, because no, no, 334 00:21:35,610 --> 00:21:39,930 no, no, no, no, no, we have to limit that. But that's what you 335 00:21:39,930 --> 00:21:44,010 get. And, you know, if you anyway, we've been through all 336 00:21:44,010 --> 00:21:47,640 that, I'm still doing my a b testing on how well I think that 337 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,810 works or not, but it doesn't, it doesn't matter. And right now 338 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,810 you're sitting with one of the people who has a lot of 339 00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:58,290 influence, you know, hosting companies have a lot of power. 340 00:21:58,620 --> 00:21:59,070 And 341 00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:01,770 Tom did, you know, have that much influence, you're sitting 342 00:22:01,770 --> 00:22:02,400 with the person? 343 00:22:02,670 --> 00:22:05,040 Well, and what I mean is like, 344 00:22:06,420 --> 00:22:10,470 I don't think like, if you're, if you think that Buzzsprout, 345 00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:14,670 integrating with Spotify is that the option would be for 346 00:22:14,670 --> 00:22:18,030 Buzzsprout, to not integrate with Spotify. I don't, I don't 347 00:22:18,030 --> 00:22:23,040 think that would help. Because they just wouldn't both probably 348 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,180 just would have a small portion of the of the podcasters. 349 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,580 Whereas right now we have a community of podcasters that we 350 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:33,630 can influence. And we do through our programs like Buzz cast. And 351 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:36,120 anytime that we have opportunities to be able to 352 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,660 communicate about it's not good for one company to dominate the 353 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:43,410 space. That's why we don't list our podcast, a buzz cast isn't 354 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:48,000 on Spotify. But I don't think I don't think we exercise that 355 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,030 kind of influence, where if we didn't submit podcasts to 356 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:54,870 Spotify, that would help the industry as a whole. I 357 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:59,580 didn't mean it that way. There's a ton of two separate things. I 358 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:02,970 think what you've done with namespace integration is very 359 00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:05,850 powerful. I mean, it's incredibly powerful. Therefore, 360 00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:09,660 I can say 100,000 podcast right over there. They've declared the 361 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:14,700 namespace. And this was very powerful with someone I spoke to 362 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:16,890 earlier this week, which I don't want to mention just yet, 363 00:23:16,890 --> 00:23:20,520 because we have a follow up phone call. But even Dave's been 364 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,490 hinting at it. He's so jacked, aren't you, Dave? No, I'm 365 00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:26,610 jacked. But, you know, 366 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,740 I think that's a good strategy for Buzzsprout to have a 367 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:34,980 positive impact for the podcasting community, which is 368 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:38,520 to, hey, we're going to we're going to play the game. But 369 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,460 we're also going to support these innovative tags that come 370 00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:45,750 out of podcasting 2.0, we're going to build tech around it to 371 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:49,050 make it so that people are asking the question, well, why 372 00:23:49,050 --> 00:23:52,110 are my transcripts showing up in Spotify? When I've got them in 373 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:54,450 there? Or why are the the chapter images? Why aren't they 374 00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:57,630 pulling this out of the the stuff that we're providing? 375 00:23:57,630 --> 00:23:58,110 Exactly. 376 00:23:58,590 --> 00:24:02,430 That's very powerful. That's exactly what I mean, about the 377 00:24:02,430 --> 00:24:05,580 integration. What I mean is, what are you going to say, when 378 00:24:05,580 --> 00:24:09,660 Spotify comes to you and says, Okay, here's our API and has all 379 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:13,110 these different things. And you will have to adjust your, your 380 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:17,280 you your UX or UI so that people can put their polls in or 381 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,670 whatever it is. Are you going to do that? I mean, just from a 382 00:24:20,670 --> 00:24:24,210 business perspective, not from a philosophical perspective, but I 383 00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:26,700 mean, because because the answer should be yes. 384 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,050 Well, this goes back to the this goes back to the thing that Mike 385 00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:35,340 wrote that he was, seems to they seem to be trying to say, which 386 00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:40,440 was that there's a paradox between having between adhering 387 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:46,620 to a standard and he called it innovate innovation and adhering 388 00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:50,910 to a standard. I think what he was really talking about was the 389 00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:54,450 paradox between adhering to a standard and making lots of 390 00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:54,960 money 391 00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:57,750 reionization, 392 00:24:58,260 --> 00:25:01,680 it's another line on the graph. Right as well, that's 393 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,290 Silicon Valley speeder. That's Silicon Valley's bingo. We're 394 00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:06,690 very innovative. Oh, that sounds like Spensive. 395 00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:10,650 What do you want to talk about a real paradox? Here's, here's, 396 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,830 here's one for you. How about the mark? How about the market 397 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:24,570 share, to limitary paradox or maybe the market share knowledge 398 00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:29,790 paradox. So, if you get in the way, this the way this is, is as 399 00:25:29,790 --> 00:25:34,290 you become larger, you become more disconnected from what 400 00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:40,020 your, what your customers actually desire. And you can see 401 00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:47,520 that with companies like Microsoft, they, if you just get 402 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,210 my clips, 403 00:25:48,270 --> 00:25:55,260 I did. And I, I know if if the clip of that says, Sam, is from 404 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:58,710 pod land. And it's a great clip, because I love what Sam said, 405 00:25:59,129 --> 00:25:59,879 Yeah, play that way. 406 00:25:59,970 --> 00:26:02,580 The other thing that I thought was telling was that Mike didn't 407 00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:06,600 even have an awareness of the podcast index extension work 408 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:11,760 until probably recently. And that's, that's more worrying, as 409 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,210 well 410 00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:15,450 than people who maybe until Dave started tweeting, 411 00:26:15,629 --> 00:26:19,619 yeah, and, and this I've seen so often, you know, my wife used to 412 00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:24,119 run MSN. And I was asked to go in to talk to some of the 413 00:26:25,049 --> 00:26:28,919 product marketing people at Microsoft at the time about web 414 00:26:29,099 --> 00:26:32,639 two dot O, they hadn't heard of half the companies that were 415 00:26:32,639 --> 00:26:35,279 doing, they didn't know some of this technology that was going 416 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:39,989 on, that they formally really are involved in two things, 417 00:26:40,019 --> 00:26:44,969 spreadsheets, KPIs, user numbers, and share price, you 418 00:26:44,969 --> 00:26:46,829 know, that's probably one of their biggest things that they 419 00:26:46,829 --> 00:26:50,129 look at. And, you know, at the end of the day, they do become 420 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:54,329 very, very myopic to their own environment. And that's the sad 421 00:26:54,329 --> 00:26:57,149 thing about corporates, you very rarely look above the parapet 422 00:26:57,149 --> 00:27:00,089 and see around what else is innovating and what's going on. 423 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,549 And clearly Spotfire doing that. Yeah, 424 00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:05,670 no, there you go. That's pretty much exactly how I feel about 425 00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:06,180 it. Yeah. 426 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,770 I mean, if you think about the example that Sam used of 427 00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:14,880 Microsoft, Microsoft's ceased to innovate, because they 428 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,960 dominated. And so this innovation paradox that he's 429 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,300 describing, well, if you dominate the space, you will 430 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,420 cease to innovate, you know, you will innovate only enough to 431 00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:27,900 dominate. Once that's done, you will stop you will flatten out 432 00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:31,710 and no longer innovate. Yeah, and that you can see that from, 433 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,640 think about Blackberry, and Blackberry get there get get, 434 00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:40,560 they went from a market domination standpoint, to 435 00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:44,940 virtually bankrupt within just two or three years after the 436 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:48,090 iPhone came out. There's this, there's this thing that happens 437 00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:51,240 where you see it, where a large company gets larger, they get 438 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,910 more and more market share. It's not really the size of the 439 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:56,670 company, it's really the market share, they get more and more 440 00:27:56,670 --> 00:28:00,030 market share. And they become more and more disconnected from 441 00:28:00,030 --> 00:28:02,520 what the real needs of their users are and what they're 442 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,740 really want. Because the inertia of just having so much market 443 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:12,450 share, sort of insulates you from knowing from needing to 444 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,690 know what your customers are, and what your customers desire, 445 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:19,500 then at some point, a new competitor comes along, brings 446 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,890 it in and innovates in a particular way that meets your 447 00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:26,670 customer's needs. And they rapidly shift from you to 448 00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:31,020 somebody else. And it's not because it's not because you 449 00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:34,170 failed at that moment. It's because you failed for the 450 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:37,080 previous year, all these years leading up to that moment, and 451 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,160 somebody else came in and didn't have the blindness, they didn't 452 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,940 have those market share blinders on. So, you know, I think that's 453 00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:48,390 what, that's one of the things I took away from this is, and I 454 00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:50,850 think James was trying to say something very similar is when 455 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:55,710 you have 30% market share in some stats, I mean, not all that 456 00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:59,100 what both brass stats or Spotify 20s in the 20s, something like 457 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:05,040 that, when you have that level of market share. Rather than 458 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:09,750 going it alone, and going proprietary. That's the time to 459 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:13,680 turn outward and begin to communicate more with people 460 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,420 outside of your bubble. Why get why why? Because then you begin 461 00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:21,720 to see what is actually going on in the community which people 462 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,220 are adhering to, and then you don't run the risk of being of 463 00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:28,620 being subverted by a sudden competitor. 464 00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:32,250 Okay, launch hormones. Okay, so now we have to look at the other 465 00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:39,210 side of this equation. Spotify believes they can monetize and 466 00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:43,380 finally have a profitable company by selling advertising 467 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,920 that is yet to be proven by anybody as far as I'm concerned. 468 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:50,940 I mean, really proven outside of YouTube, which is just not the 469 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:55,890 same animal because the podcasters can and are splitting 470 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:59,970 off their their, you know, their platform their audience. 471 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,560 distribution, whatever you want to call it, to anyone who wants 472 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:11,640 to have it. So not having, I don't know, if there's, if there 473 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,060 truly is a $1 billion industry, let's just call it that, that 474 00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:19,050 there's $1 billion running through podcast advertising, and 475 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:24,240 30% of that is consumed on Spotify, I guess it's going to 476 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600 be the same across the board, then, really, it's $300 million. 477 00:30:28,890 --> 00:30:32,070 Okay, so that's still wouldn't get them to break, even if they 478 00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:38,070 could grab 100% of 100% of the market share, or the full 30% of 479 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:43,020 the 100% of advertising money that's available. So, you know, 480 00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:48,720 are they going to fold it into Subscriptions, which seems like 481 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,240 they might be doing that, although, you know, the first 482 00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:55,170 lead down for Joe Rogan audiences was I paid to be a 483 00:30:55,170 --> 00:31:02,820 subscriber and I get ads. The I, you know, programmatic ads, 484 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:08,160 which are, I mean, look at Marcos post, where people are 485 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,120 actually blaming him his app, because this is what you get 486 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,500 when you have platforms versus an app. You know, it's like, 487 00:31:16,590 --> 00:31:21,000 net, some some degree of users when they hear an ad inserted, 488 00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:24,510 whether it's unclear whether it was before the podcast plays 489 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:29,970 during or whenever they believe that that is overcast, selling 490 00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:36,540 those ads. Which is mind blowing. And then, you know, and 491 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:40,470 the industry that I've heard talking about this? Well, yes, 492 00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:44,130 you know, these are direct ad insertion companies that aren't 493 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:46,350 they're not doing it, right. It's not a very good job. They 494 00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:50,700 haven't really no, people fucking hate ads. Just be 495 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,210 honest, people don't like ads, they don't like him. Now, if 496 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:57,390 it's in the context, if you can make a value pitch to your 497 00:31:57,390 --> 00:32:01,800 audience, I'm going to play you a couple ads right now. Because, 498 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,640 you know, that's how I get compensated for the work. I'm 499 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,300 doing people's that they think about it, but somebody has just 500 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,430 inserted No, I don't think you're gonna get that kind of 501 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:18,870 understanding. So Spotify has a long road to go a long road to 502 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:21,240 go. And I think it's crazy. 503 00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:26,010 Is there an example of a company because I feel like this is a 504 00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,310 more recent phenomenon, right, where a company can lose money 505 00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:36,060 for years, as they search for a way to make money to find a 506 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:37,350 monetization strategy. 507 00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:40,170 Thanks for that. Lou has the Silicon Valley model right there 508 00:32:40,170 --> 00:32:40,920 that is that is 509 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,390 decent, right? Maybe. I wonder if Amazon was the first one to 510 00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:47,280 just lose money for you? Oh, 511 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,800 no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. I got it. I gotta count you there. 512 00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:54,930 Amazon did not lose money. They always went to just about 513 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,270 breakeven, they plowed everything back into 514 00:32:57,270 --> 00:33:01,530 development. That's why we have AWS and we have these types of 515 00:33:01,530 --> 00:33:05,160 services. That's why their stock eventually went to what is it 516 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,950 2000 Or something never, they never even bothered to split 517 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:10,650 their stock. Now, the example you're looking for is one 518 00:33:10,650 --> 00:33:14,430 company. That company is Spotify. Now. It's Spotify. It's 519 00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:18,000 Netflix. All these companies have been running on cheap 520 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,390 money, which is about to go up another full percent. There's no 521 00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:25,170 overt Twitter to Twitter. 15 years of business, they still 522 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:32,610 they still lose $10 million on a on a $1.2 billion revenue. These 523 00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:33,900 are not businesses. 524 00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:37,050 You can track Yeah, yeah, you did that said the phenomenon 525 00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:41,250 you're talking about Tom tracks perfectly with cheap with 526 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:45,390 monetary expansion. Yeah, it's a monetary experience cheap. As as 527 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:47,760 money has gotten cheaper. And you're you're right. I mean, 528 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,790 it's started. This whole phenomenon probably started in 529 00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:55,500 the around the time of the.com. Boom. And then we've just been 530 00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:58,980 money got cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. And there was more 531 00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:01,710 money and like money was so cheap, people just trying to 532 00:34:01,710 --> 00:34:04,620 find a way to give it away. You know, like, I just want I'll 533 00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:06,930 invest in 100 Different companies that if one of them 534 00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:10,740 plays pays off, fine, but I'm fine losing a billion dollars on 535 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:12,630 every other company if this one makes 20 536 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,560 when I took my company public was way back in 96. Very small, 537 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,810 but it was NASDAQ. So I've been through kind of what it's like 538 00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:21,570 to be on the inside right now at Spotify, people are depressed 539 00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,420 because people came on board they have an option strike price 540 00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:28,890 price, which may be 100 or $200 higher than their stock prices 541 00:34:28,890 --> 00:34:32,820 today. And of course, just momentary, it's transitory don't 542 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:36,060 worry about it will make you whole on the back end I've heard 543 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:41,010 it all I've said it all the bean counters are in because they 544 00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:46,470 have to now start justifying towards their shareholders every 545 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:49,950 quarter. Why it's not paying off yet. You know when when are we 546 00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:53,010 gonna get the big no, we love that Rogan stock boost but you 547 00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:55,530 know, it's all been downhill since then. And we're now below 548 00:34:55,530 --> 00:35:01,230 the IPO price. So or no, not below. Uh, you know, they're 549 00:35:01,230 --> 00:35:04,350 getting down there. And so now they're gonna have to look at 550 00:35:04,350 --> 00:35:07,980 expenses. They have to cut people, they have to cut things 551 00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,700 that are expensive. I don't think they'll cut exclusive 552 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:14,280 shows, I think that's all been built in for the for the long 553 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,260 haul, but anchor, or just hosting millions of bullcrap 554 00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:25,710 that's going to be on the list. And I think they're gonna get 555 00:35:25,710 --> 00:35:30,150 shot, and then they're gonna see, oh, wait a minute, we could 556 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,390 have used we could have had the same result, the same content, 557 00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:37,260 only less of the crap. Without any of the hosting costs. If we 558 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:40,410 had only done it this way. No one has successfully pulled 559 00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:44,400 this, this whole the whole thing off. And there's a reason for 560 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,520 it. Yeah, I'll have the hosting the app. I have everything. I 561 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,750 have the talent relations, I'll sell the ads. Yeah, 562 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:54,780 perfect. That's one of the reasons I'm debt. Like, that's 563 00:35:54,780 --> 00:36:00,930 one. That's one of the reasons I'm down here at Buzzsprout. I 564 00:36:00,930 --> 00:36:03,420 mean, they're like, six hours, six hours away from me. And I've 565 00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:05,190 been threatening to come down here and visit these guys 566 00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:09,270 forever. Because they're so close. But like, I just wanted 567 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:11,580 to come check out their stuff. And it's just 568 00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:14,370 how many people work there. Really Dave, like a lot of 569 00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:17,100 people like I'm thinking there's gotta be 30 that working? Okay, 570 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,500 there's only two people just Tom and Kevin. Yeah. And that's 571 00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:22,920 actually as Tom is Tom and Alba. And Kevin just shows up every 572 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,280 now and then. 573 00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:27,600 Do they have their own parking spots? Where their name on it? 574 00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:31,050 No. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Martin and Tom rode me out of here. 575 00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:35,070 Dynamite dynamite. Now that's 576 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:41,010 it. But it's, it's cool to see, like to see a company. see 577 00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:44,580 companies like Buzzsprout and RSS and blueberry, that want to 578 00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:49,800 that, that, that have a business plan. That involves, you know, 579 00:36:49,890 --> 00:36:54,750 making making money on a product that people that people want, in 580 00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:59,220 a sensible way. And that versus all of the bullcrap coming out 581 00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:02,790 of the cheap money Silicon Valley experiment, it's like, 582 00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:06,090 it's so refreshing to remember the commercial, I can't remember 583 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:08,580 what it was for. But as a commercial and in the guy would 584 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:11,880 say, he'd say, you know, we make money the old fashioned way we 585 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:14,760 earn it. I feel like that's what Silicon Valley is missing, 586 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,700 right? In the old days used to provide value, and then people 587 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,580 pay you for the value that you brought. And that's how you set 588 00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:23,700 your pricing. And that's how you establish a relationship. So 589 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:27,570 when you look at something like an anchor, I'm like, how do you 590 00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:29,610 define that? Right? What do you Well, let 591 00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:31,560 me answer your question, Tom, let me let me ask you a 592 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,040 question. Because anchor is not a business. It's not a business. 593 00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:40,590 You have a business, you and Kevin have a real business? Has 594 00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:43,140 your point is you're just if you don't want to answer it's fine. 595 00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:47,100 But has your plan ever been? Or is it now to achieve world 596 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,290 domination and host all podcasts? 597 00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:53,100 No, no, no, no. As a matter of fact. 598 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,470 Please explain your reason. Please explain the reason for 599 00:38:01,470 --> 00:38:05,190 your answer. Yes or no world domination host them all? Or 600 00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:10,260 have a I mean, how about this? Do you plan on doubling or 601 00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:13,560 tripling or quadrupling? Is that in your basic plan? 602 00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:20,970 No, we I wish. We work on about six week plans. So our plans 603 00:38:20,970 --> 00:38:25,770 aren't that elaborate, I would say this, what we want to do is 604 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:28,890 we want to meet the value proposition that we're saying, 605 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:31,950 which is we want to be the easiest, the best way for you to 606 00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:34,620 be able to host your podcast. But that doesn't mean that it's 607 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,930 going to be the easiest and the best for everyone. Some people 608 00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:39,600 are going to want something different than what we offer. 609 00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:41,640 There'll be already already my and you already answered my 610 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,770 question. It's not it's it was a pure business philosophy. You 611 00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:48,990 said no, we want it and you answered it. No, we want to 612 00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:52,140 provide the best value, you use the value word in there, and 613 00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:54,480 then in my eyes glazed over, that was all I needed to hear. 614 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:57,240 Because that is what you're doing. And you're doing that. 615 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,110 And you're charging people you're saying, you know, here's 616 00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:05,130 here's the value. And this is what we expect back. When you 617 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,210 give away stuff for free. You're never going to build any type of 618 00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:11,580 quality. I've just, I've just seen it as your 619 00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:16,140 training here on a backdoor way to make money. And it drives me 620 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:18,270 crazy. Because we see it all the time. Well, you know, I'm gonna 621 00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:20,610 drop Buzzsprout because I can switch to something for free. 622 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,800 And then they'll say something about oh, but anchor is not 623 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,140 responding to support. And you're like, well, because 624 00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:29,550 support costs money. So if we provide the value of giving you 625 00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:32,850 somebody on the other end of that email sagely can help you 626 00:39:32,850 --> 00:39:33,000 too. 627 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:37,680 So believe me when I say that, in the Spotify boardroom, what 628 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,270 you just said there is not discussed. They do not know what 629 00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:45,390 they're doing. They don't know what they're getting into. The 630 00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:50,640 guy who actually nuke some of it is out. Excuse me. I think 631 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,190 they're brought in kind of like Hollywood television executives 632 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:59,820 to build the business. No. And so, my plea to the podcasting 633 00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:03,780 world All right, let's just move on from this move on, they don't 634 00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:06,060 love you, they're never gonna love you, they're never gonna 635 00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:09,570 care about you, they will, they will woo you, they will court 636 00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:15,390 you, they do not care about you. We are the antithesis of these 637 00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:20,130 companies, until they decide that they'd like to play, then 638 00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:21,300 we could love them 639 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:24,510 easily. And you could say to you're not the customer, you're 640 00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:26,160 not the one that they're catering to. 641 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,940 I'm not as How am I not the customer? For for 642 00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:33,540 a, for a company that's providing a service for free? 643 00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:35,970 That means you're not the customer? Because 644 00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:38,610 if you will, Oh, yeah. I understand what you're saying. 645 00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:39,390 Yes. Okay. 646 00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:42,030 So you have to ask the question, well, who is the customer? So 647 00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:45,120 when you go and you look at services in Spotify are or 648 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,660 anchor, Facebook and Twitter and all these different companies 649 00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:51,870 that you have to ask yourself, if it's free, I'm really not the 650 00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:53,340 customer. Is the customer. 651 00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:57,600 No one asked themselves this. I know, we've been saying this. 652 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,280 For decades. No, we're not going to it's not going to happen. No, 653 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,970 I'm telling. So and thank you, Dave, you and I forget the word 654 00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:09,810 you use. And you're going to tell me. The guy said, well, 655 00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:11,880 you'll never get critical mass, you know, it's never gonna 656 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,600 happen. This was on Twitter exchange. And you said, we don't 657 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,280 need that to be successful. We don't all mean, all we need is 658 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,400 enough, you know, small, whatever, it doesn't even matter 659 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,820 what size, who understand the value proposition who understand 660 00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:29,670 how to, you know, if it's, it can be advertising base, that's 661 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:32,130 fine. I prefer value for value. I think it works better, you 662 00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:35,250 make more money, you're happier, you have no stupid meetings, 663 00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:38,970 there's no compromise, there's no I mean, just a few things on 664 00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:43,710 my list. If you're worth your salt, you know, then you will 665 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:46,440 get people to support you. That's look at this, you're 666 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,720 soaking in it, this project right here, it's worth it, 667 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,570 people are supporting it. That's how it works. If you don't get 668 00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:54,870 support, your product is probably no good. And if you're 669 00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:57,510 not hearing people say, here's how I think you could make it 670 00:41:57,510 --> 00:42:00,540 better, here's how I could support you, et cetera, then you 671 00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:05,550 need to be doing something else. That, you know that success that 672 00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:15,690 we're having with less than 1% is a monumental consequence. For 673 00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:20,040 the world. Things that podcasts are talking about are being 674 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,480 distributed. It's mind virus people the concepts. These are 675 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,580 moving from, from the you know, community Island to community or 676 00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:33,360 tribes interacting with each other. It's a complete new layer 677 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,750 that's being built, it's no longer about being number one. 678 00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:39,960 And we can put this add on 10 million podcast or whatever, 679 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,450 they think that it's going to be 50 million they want it well, I 680 00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:46,230 don't know what they want. That's not the future. 681 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,340 Podcast, the podcasts and 2.0 project had zero market share. 682 00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:59,070 Critical Mass is really irrelevant to adoption, the 683 00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:04,860 podcasting 2.0 market share at all. I mean, podcasts index, as 684 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:09,150 as a member of the podcast in 2.0 community has a budget of 685 00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:10,410 like, you know, 686 00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:12,630 we are more profitable than Spotify. 687 00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:16,140 We are we've lost less money than Spotify. 688 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:20,670 We are profitable, we are profit we don't pay for we have no 689 00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:22,380 employees, but we're profitable. 690 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,170 But I mean, we we have zero market share, and the pot and 691 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:35,490 the podcasts and 2.0 project as a as an entity. And now to less 692 00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:39,390 than two years later, there's hundreds of 1000s of feeds using 693 00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:44,610 the namespace that what matters is not the only the only time 694 00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:50,730 that critical mass and domination matter is from is 695 00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:54,810 from a business monetary standpoint, if your object and 696 00:43:54,810 --> 00:43:59,550 your goal is to make something better, then you just make it 697 00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:03,240 better. People will see that it's better, and they will adopt 698 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,380 it, or they won't. 699 00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:07,650 And what's so beautiful up to them what's so beautiful on the 700 00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:10,770 app side of podcasting 2.0 Because I know I listened to all 701 00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:15,570 these interviews. And Oscar Mary and fountain have a very 702 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:20,190 different idea of what they want to do. You can earn SATs, as you 703 00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:25,230 know, but Oscar, very similar to Mitch, they both started with 704 00:44:25,260 --> 00:44:28,170 Well, I wanted a better way to share clips, I wanted a better 705 00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:32,400 way to share podcasts to help discovery etc. And they both 706 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,450 have come up with it entirely different ways of doing that 707 00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:39,330 what they find important. I mean, these things are very 708 00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:45,000 personal. And people and you know, and that's why it's so so 709 00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:49,680 distributed. That you know like the dog catcher app not updated 710 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,510 since 2018. People are like they're begging me. Please stop 711 00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:59,610 2.0 I can't listen to your show in dog catcher. And it broke my 712 00:44:59,610 --> 00:45:02,250 heart Man, he broke my heart because I get it. And I really, 713 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:05,820 really, really, really, really tried. And you know, it's just 714 00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:11,160 not possible what the guy is just whatever doesn't really 715 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:18,480 matter. So it's not all the same by default, the way the features 716 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,930 are implemented, you know, there's so much room like value 717 00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:25,470 for value. I never can we discussed it, but I never really 718 00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:30,030 expected someone to set it up where I'm listening to a non 2.0 719 00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:34,050 podcast, and I'm getting a set per minute that I can then spend 720 00:45:34,050 --> 00:45:36,390 somebody I didn't come up with. I didn't think of that. You 721 00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:39,990 know, he's a great, I don't know, I mean, it's great for 722 00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:42,540 Oscar, it's great for everybody as far as I'm concerned, but it 723 00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:46,020 doesn't mean that you're going to have a pod verse or curio 724 00:45:46,020 --> 00:45:50,490 caster, or, you know, hello, antenna pod. Hello, hello, we 725 00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:54,210 love you. Welcome. Love, right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, 726 00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:57,270 and antenna pod, I know, a little bit of antenna pods. 727 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,690 Audience, I think it's a standard install on Linux, you 728 00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:05,100 know, there's, there's all these different types of It's art. 729 00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:11,040 It's just art and Buzzsprout has a brand has a feel has an art as 730 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,680 they portrayed themselves, and you know what you're going to 731 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,790 expect. So that's, that's what I love about it. No one really can 732 00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:21,960 ever have it all. Because we've learned very early on, you're 733 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,300 going after this type of customer, they need a lot more 734 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,250 hand holding this type of customer need a lot of 735 00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:29,370 bandwidth. You know, this type of customers, you know, they're 736 00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,490 never, they're never gonna get past the test free tier, 737 00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:35,850 whatever. That's your business. And you know, the business plan 738 00:46:35,850 --> 00:46:39,360 requires having all of those customers or it requires 739 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,270 domination or if it requires that, then it's just not a great 740 00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:50,430 plan. Like Silicon Valley plan. Yes, exactly. It's not I think 741 00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:53,370 if I think about every hosting company that we've had guests on 742 00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:59,970 the show, you guys, Castillo's, blueberry transistor, Captivate 743 00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:04,650 every one of these. I mean, when we asked our assist icon, when 744 00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:09,030 we asked Castillo's, what your customers like, who, what what's 745 00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:13,890 your, what is your niche? What's your stake? They told us, they 746 00:47:13,890 --> 00:47:16,470 said, We're going after this type of customer. Yeah, we asked 747 00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:18,930 our sis.com they're going we're going after this type of 748 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:22,740 customer, this is, this is our plan. Buzzsprout can tell you 749 00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:26,370 their plan. Everybody has a plan, except when you get to a 750 00:47:26,370 --> 00:47:29,550 certain scale, like Mike was talking about in the Silicon 751 00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:32,100 Valley model. There's no plan anymore, the plan is just 752 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,680 dominate, make as much money as possible and get the heck out of 753 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,280 dodge exactly any kind of don't, you're gonna fail, right? Like 754 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,280 if you don't, that's, that's the critical mass you're talking 755 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,070 about. That's why they have to critical mass because there is 756 00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,560 no model that's going to work other than 757 00:47:46,590 --> 00:47:49,110 deliberately, but they haven't. But here's the here's, again, 758 00:47:49,110 --> 00:47:51,930 the thing, Apple is critical mass of something that makes no 759 00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:55,350 money for them. Spotify as critical mass of something that 760 00:47:55,350 --> 00:48:00,060 is not profitable for them. You know, they couldn't they don't 761 00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:04,410 even publish the numbers. You know, they say, and, and just 762 00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:09,720 from a value proposition, you know, all the minute you sign 763 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:14,190 the agreement with Spotify? Yes, please take my podcast. They 764 00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:17,880 already are taking everything they have about your audience. 765 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,730 They have a whole bunch. They're not shared, not sharing that 766 00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:24,030 nice partners. You know, it's like sign this, you can do 767 00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:27,690 nothing, we can do everything. You have to tell us about any 768 00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:32,280 ads, you're running, you know, we, and they're probably already 769 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,330 monetizing to a very small degree. subscribers who get no 770 00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:39,660 ads who just listened to you literally gave money to Spotify. 771 00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:43,260 And they gave you nothing, not even a promise of something. 772 00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:47,460 So what's what's a positive spin? How do we turn with a 773 00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:50,940 positive? The pause my able to make? Am I able to make a board? 774 00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:57,390 Movement? Oh, yeah. How do we have a positive? How do we turn 775 00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:58,860 this into a positive conversation? Right, like I 776 00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:04,260 hate, hate, just focusing on it because I there is like, like, I 777 00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:06,600 think you were kind of alluding to earlier, I think there is a 778 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,610 positive that comes from this is a little bit of the shininess of 779 00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:14,550 Spotify as being like people are starting to smell Wait a minute, 780 00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:18,120 they said what, wait, they said that RSS is you know, dead that 781 00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:21,720 what they said, you know, so I think there is a positive that 782 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,250 may be podcasters are going to start to see, wait a minute, 783 00:49:26,250 --> 00:49:29,430 this isn't good for a company to say things like that. And 784 00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:32,400 there's something positive that comes out when people begin to 785 00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:35,850 be more selective in which where they're sending people to listen 786 00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:36,630 to their shows. 787 00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:43,170 That's one way of looking at it. I wish the motion was for 788 00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:51,360 positive emotion. No, no, I have positive I have positive and I 789 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:58,230 wish no one ill at all. But the good news is within an X amount 790 00:49:58,230 --> 00:50:01,560 of time and I am not going to predict didn't, I can't but I'll 791 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,810 know when it's coming. And it may be sooner than we think. 792 00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:07,080 There will be no competition from Spotify and probably not 793 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,650 much from Apple. It's just not in the cart or from anybody, 794 00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:14,580 they're all going to give up on it. There's history here. 795 00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:19,470 Certainly with RSS, there's there's just history here. Lots 796 00:50:19,470 --> 00:50:20,610 of it. And 797 00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:23,760 I think that's a key, you know, because because we've seen, 798 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,610 we've seen other companies try to take over RSS and 799 00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:31,380 Twitter, use Twitter use Twitter use to have RSS feeds, they used 800 00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:35,070 to have a very active developer community until they couldn't 801 00:50:35,070 --> 00:50:38,520 monetize it. So they said, Oh, thanks, developers, for helping 802 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,480 us actually actually didn't like the hashtag was as important as 803 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,050 the booster gram. That's a t shirt. The booster gram is as 804 00:50:46,050 --> 00:50:50,340 important as the hashtag. The new hashtag is booster gram, 805 00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:55,530 okay, I can go on forever. The and then said, You know what, 806 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,530 thanks, screw you we want to control we have to control the 807 00:50:58,530 --> 00:51:02,160 look and feel we have to control the experience. And look, and 808 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,870 now look where they are. Look where they are. So they went 809 00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:09,930 kind of that route, like thanks for dropping RSS, we don't care 810 00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:11,640 about it. And they were publishing RSS, it was 811 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:12,420 fantastic. 812 00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:17,580 I think a positive thing would be that it lights a fire under 813 00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:22,920 me to get the index into as many other places as possible. 814 00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:27,960 Because if you have any, if you have multiple if you have 815 00:51:28,590 --> 00:51:33,480 multiple or one big entity out there trying to do a proprietary 816 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:40,710 thing, to in order to control an industry, your best your best 817 00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:46,740 defense and your best counter to that is to be more open. Even 818 00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:50,040 more always, the answer is like it's like when you're all you 819 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,080 have is an area when you all you have is a hammer, everything 820 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:59,520 looks like a nail. That the the answer to, to coming after 821 00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:04,560 system of systems, the answer to proprietary Enos is always more 822 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:12,000 open. And so if we can get the index, even even better, even 823 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,000 freer, even more open, that is the way to do it. Because as 824 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,280 more people put their podcast on something like anchor, and then 825 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,490 they get and they don't enable an RSS feed. And then they go 826 00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:31,530 out and they try to listen to their podcast on some sort of 827 00:52:31,530 --> 00:52:34,140 Alexa device or something like that, and it doesn't show up. 828 00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:39,510 They're gonna wonder why. And the answer to that is, we need 829 00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:43,350 to put the index into all of those things. We need to put 830 00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:45,540 them into smart speakers. We need to put them into cars, we 831 00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:46,800 need to put the index in 832 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:54,030 place. I'm laughing at you. Why exact conversations we've had 833 00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:58,800 with people. Yes, yes, yeah, we put it in his car speakers, and 834 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,040 you put it in smart speakers and you put it in another big 835 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,800 podcast app? Yeah, all these things. I guess, I guess what 836 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,100 I'm saying is, we don't have to worry about it, it doesn't 837 00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,800 matter. It'll take we don't have to pay it, you know, you're not 838 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,680 to be looking over your shoulder. They're not coming. 839 00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:16,230 It's not going to happen. They don't have the vision, they 840 00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:19,980 don't have the talent. They don't they don't understand the 841 00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,220 history. They don't understand open, they don't understand 842 00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:26,550 decentralized they don't understand that these types of 843 00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:31,320 decentralized systems are not designed to be centralized. So 844 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,750 they're going to build a centralized system, and I'm 845 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:36,510 really not worried about that they're running out of money. 846 00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:41,070 All the data says no, I'm not worried. I 847 00:53:41,070 --> 00:53:44,970 do like, you know, something we've talked about is, you know, 848 00:53:45,660 --> 00:53:51,180 how we get more people aware of what what podcast index and 849 00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:55,470 podcasting 2.0 And we've talked about using language like, this 850 00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:57,870 is a podcast standard, and 851 00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:01,830 we kicked it off and that went nowhere. Tom, Dave and I were 852 00:54:01,830 --> 00:54:03,690 using that that terminology. 853 00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:07,230 And you kicked it off and it was we were talking 854 00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:10,650 about it we use it on the show I use it in the intro the podcast 855 00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:14,850 standard. It has that podcast standard that name Yeah, it has 856 00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:20,130 no uptake. And I appreciate what you're saying and I'm gonna shut 857 00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:23,430 up in a minute but I haven't spoken to anyone for for two 858 00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:28,170 weeks. I missed I missed 859 00:54:28,530 --> 00:54:30,060 your life. You've missed a board meeting. 860 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,650 Well, I didn't miss it. I was here. 861 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,170 And then emotion emotionally 862 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,710 Oh big time emotionally you longed for it. Yeah. Very 863 00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:42,120 emotional. Gosh, what are we talking about you about you 864 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:42,360 talking 865 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,880 about me? Language like podcasting? 866 00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:47,460 Oh yeah, no, I remember Marketing Marketing Marketing 867 00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:53,370 Marketing here we go. I'm not convinced I'm willing to be 868 00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:56,700 couldn't be convinced. I'm not convinced podcasts. index.org 869 00:54:56,910 --> 00:55:00,660 matters. If anything. You know, I don't I think it should be a 870 00:55:00,660 --> 00:55:04,680 landing place. I don't want it. You know, that's what Apple was, 871 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,570 oh, you know, one of the bad podcasts and got Apple, they'll 872 00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:10,290 tell you where to go that No, I think that everyone has their 873 00:55:10,290 --> 00:55:14,250 own marketing. Everyone has their own vision, as long as we 874 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:18,690 all adhere to the standard, as well. And, you know, it's like, 875 00:55:18,810 --> 00:55:21,120 I get all kinds of messages from app developers. Well, that guy's 876 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,090 doing that that way. What do you think? You know, it's not for me 877 00:55:24,090 --> 00:55:29,460 to think we just try to facilitate and you know, if 878 00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:31,890 there's something that someone wants to do with an API call, 879 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,100 there's no, there's no need for the marketing, look at what 880 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:40,830 we've done with zero to negative marketing. We started with very 881 00:55:40,830 --> 00:55:44,100 negative marketing, because, you know, Oh, would you want freedom 882 00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,850 of speech? I must be a bunch of white nationalists over there. 883 00:55:48,090 --> 00:55:51,000 You know, so negative, like Leo Laporte, we have negative 884 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,790 marketing, and it's unstoppable. So and also, you have to have 885 00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:00,930 massive patience with these kinds of things. It's never 886 00:56:00,990 --> 00:56:04,350 this is what this is what I would try to accomplish only for 887 00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:07,710 the purpose of the the average podcast, you're not the hosts. 888 00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:12,960 But think it drives me crazy. When I see people talking about 889 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,310 like IRB, like they know, like, podcasters know what the IRB is, 890 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,470 the IRB, I don't think is relevant to the majority of 891 00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,770 podcasters. And yet, they're aware that, oh, there's this 892 00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:28,740 standard, and it provides some type of credibility. And so they 893 00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:31,950 use this language. And what I want to do is I want to, I want 894 00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:34,260 to take advantage of whatever's driving that why is it the 895 00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:38,040 podcasters are aware of IAB standards and IB compliance? 896 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,620 How, how are they aware of that? And oh, I can tell you, I get 897 00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:44,250 them to start saying things like, oh, I want to use this 898 00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:47,940 host because they followed the podcast standards. Nowhere. You 899 00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:49,980 know what I mean, trying to build that kind of brand. 900 00:56:50,010 --> 00:56:52,560 Somehow IBM has done it. I wanted to be able to do it. 901 00:56:52,590 --> 00:56:56,280 Yeah, for one reason, ay ay b is in the money flow. If you if, 902 00:56:56,430 --> 00:56:58,890 look how many people on the podcasters know that. I mean, I 903 00:56:58,890 --> 00:57:03,330 got a lot of people when people want to make money, they learn 904 00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:06,690 about value for value chapters is not value for value 905 00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:11,460 transcripts is not value for value. Money, value for value. 906 00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:14,310 That's what attracts people. That's what every single show 907 00:57:14,310 --> 00:57:17,550 was about every Podcast Movement, every podcast show, 908 00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:20,670 everything is about money. That's the number that's why I 909 00:57:20,670 --> 00:57:23,310 don't go I'm going this year because everyone says you got to 910 00:57:23,310 --> 00:57:26,370 go. So Dave and I are going to do is you're going to speak and 911 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,970 I'm gonna start off with 15 minutes. You're here to learn 912 00:57:29,970 --> 00:57:33,240 how you make money, how you can make a living out of this. Don't 913 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,900 lie. That's why you're here. I have 14 minutes left to tell you 914 00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,570 and then Dave's going to explain all the groovy shit underneath 915 00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:43,920 and around it and the namespace, etc. That's the honest truth. 916 00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:47,580 That's why people know about Ay ay ay ay ay ay ay b. That's why 917 00:57:47,580 --> 00:57:53,400 they know about Dai. That's why they know about LMNOP. It's all 918 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,540 about money. That's why people are interested in Spotify. Oh, 919 00:57:57,540 --> 00:58:01,530 if I miss that, there's your SIOP right there. Whoa, Joe 920 00:58:01,530 --> 00:58:03,990 Rogan got 200 million, maybe I'll get discovered if my 921 00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:10,080 podcasts on Spotify. That's, that's dangerous to them, 922 00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:13,200 because people eventually will come back to if there's a really 923 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:18,420 good advertising solution. People will migrate towards 924 00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:21,420 that. I'm not sure I don't know anything about it. But when I 925 00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:26,160 hear Todd talking about what he does for blueberry and with 926 00:58:26,340 --> 00:58:29,310 people who want to make money during advertising, how he 927 00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:33,060 shepherds him through that seems like a very tiresome process, 928 00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:40,830 but that's his business. Others will do. You know, insertion. 929 00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:45,420 And eventually, once we sort out the legalities of it and the or 930 00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:50,880 I should say the responsibility and liability hosting companies 931 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,010 will start providing value for value services helipad will be 932 00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:59,490 integrated, you'll integrate into anyone's existing wallet. 933 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,120 That's how the marketing works. That's what people care about 934 00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:03,780 money. 935 00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:12,630 Did you know that? And I learned this from Kevin, I think that 936 00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:15,480 people show up at Podcast Movement, and they've never 937 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,960 podcasted before they show they buy tickets and go to Podcast 938 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,110 Movement. Because they launched they've never learned that 939 00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:23,670 because they're thinking about 940 00:59:23,790 --> 00:59:26,100 generalizing. I'm generalizing, obviously. 941 00:59:26,670 --> 00:59:28,440 Now I'm just saying that was an interesting thing to me. I 942 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,030 didn't know that. Oh, that would spend that much money to go are 943 00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:35,190 wanting to make money podcasting. That's what they're 944 00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:38,640 wanting to do. That's their goal. But I thought it was very, 945 00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:43,110 very interesting that you have people willing to spend that 946 00:59:43,110 --> 00:59:46,380 much money and go to that much length. No, I mean, I've never 947 00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:47,670 they've never even done it yet. 948 00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,820 I know lots of people who have gone to a ham radio convention 949 00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:54,000 to learn and to talk to people before they purchased their 950 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,570 first rig or before they went into the course the testing 951 00:59:57,570 --> 00:59:57,960 that's 952 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,960 the example right? It's like the ham radio. It's a hobby. It's 953 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,210 something that they're excited about. They're interested in 954 01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:05,070 these people spend money on their hobbies. And I think 955 01:00:05,070 --> 01:00:05,460 that's 956 01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:09,540 yeah. And I agree, I think that but again, I was generalizing, 957 01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:12,690 but I was responding to Tom's comment. You know, why do people 958 01:00:12,690 --> 01:00:16,500 know about IAB? Well, they know about it because they need to 959 01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:19,200 know how they can make money. And they need to know where they 960 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,700 can make money. And, and I'm sure that once the hosting 961 01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:27,180 companies are comfortable with it, they will start integrating 962 01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:31,410 value for value services. And we'll be off to the races there 963 01:00:31,410 --> 01:00:36,540 will be no looking back. Except to see the trail of gold 964 01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:42,660 doubloons pooping out of our butts of money. Here's here's 965 01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:45,210 your marketing. Hi, I'm Adam curry come make money 966 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,560 that's the name of the that's the name of the talk. What come 967 01:00:58,770 --> 01:01:08,250 Sure, okay. All right. Yeah. Other stuff has happened besides 968 01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:12,810 just people writing and that was a big that was a big one. 969 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,960 Do you want do you want to thank a few people and then continues? 970 01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:18,660 We've been getting a lot of boosted Graham's let me let me 971 01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:24,180 do the light. Sir Spencer 69 Six and I don't know about you all, 972 01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:30,780 but I've never heard of IA D in my life. Rubery 10,000 is a six 973 01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:34,080 Satoshis never done a dog catcher before but I do one. 974 01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:39,060 Okay. We got the comedy crew out today. Dred Scott with a pair of 975 01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:48,150 one Oh, Nines cast peatland with a 3690 nice show. Chat F 33 333 976 01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:55,680 Dred Scott 3334 He says no one set booths here. A 33,333 from 977 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,190 Spencer death to the useless middlemen and suits Long live 978 01:01:59,190 --> 01:02:03,240 podcasting. 2.0 Spotify is a shit coin. Okay, it's going 979 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:03,720 viral. 980 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,020 We're stretching the message, lengthen the TLV there 981 01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:14,519 13 337 From sup Yo sup? With a haxor boost. See Brooklyn see 982 01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:18,419 Brooklyn 112 Is that Carolyn Blaney? Was thinking I think 983 01:02:19,409 --> 01:02:26,909 25,000 SATs Thank you. Ambitious. Episode 93. That's 984 01:02:26,909 --> 01:02:30,719 three times three divided by three. It's a sign. That's 985 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:33,239 right. It means you have to be boosting. Exactly. And he did 986 01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:37,319 just that. Appreciate it. Dred Scott 5000 kick as we kicked off 987 01:02:37,319 --> 01:02:42,839 the show, here we go. He said Dred Scott was another 33,333 988 01:02:42,839 --> 01:02:49,589 with a pre show boost metus 6543 Hey booster. And then Tom 989 01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:54,329 Starkweather with 5000 Thank you for your courage. And I think 990 01:02:54,329 --> 01:02:57,179 that that gets us all the way to the end. We really appreciate 991 01:02:57,179 --> 01:03:04,829 that. And I would like to note that I heard this on pod land I 992 01:03:04,829 --> 01:03:07,109 guess somewhere there's a leaderboard of who was supported 993 01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:12,599 podcast the most and fountain and Nova forget who it was but 994 01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:18,389 someone had sent a booster gram to mo facts 1.7 million Satoshis 995 01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:24,989 nice and that and that basically made the news and made the news 996 01:03:24,989 --> 01:03:28,289 did it did it was like it was a separate item like holy crap. 997 01:03:28,289 --> 01:03:31,019 Look at this, you know, that's unbelievable. And I want to say 998 01:03:31,019 --> 01:03:34,949 yes, in fact, we're running into a small problem where we you 999 01:03:34,949 --> 01:03:37,979 know, it used to be Hey, man, if someone's really popular open up 1000 01:03:37,979 --> 01:03:41,819 a million sat channel. I mean, we got to open up two to 5 1001 01:03:41,819 --> 01:03:43,709 million sat channels with some people 1002 01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:47,489 just the route ATAR gave us a 5 million said boost. 1003 01:03:47,549 --> 01:03:53,309 Exactly. It took me about eight days to remaster rebalance and 1004 01:03:53,309 --> 01:03:57,119 Helen a note in case you don't want to do that again. 1005 01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:00,360 Tim Tim fell off the bed 1006 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,360 I probably tried to balance he balanced probably some of it it 1007 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,360 was very now I will say I appreciate some of those like 1008 01:04:09,780 --> 01:04:16,080 Citadel who in bitcoin cash is trash those two nodes of 10 1009 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,020 million SATs opened us appreciate it because that's 1010 01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:22,830 what I used to do the the balancing so that was in the end 1011 01:04:22,830 --> 01:04:26,100 then they made money on that. They made money on that balance. 1012 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:33,240 Oh, but but when I just I heard I heard Todd Cochran you're 1013 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,080 talking Rob Greenlee just going on about the lit tag and how 1014 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,380 cool it was and you know he's reading booster grams 1015 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,260 booster grams on the research Yes, I'm 1016 01:04:43,259 --> 01:04:47,639 crying I'm at home I'm just tears rolling down my cheeks. 1017 01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:51,809 I'm like, I can't just all happens. This all happens at the 1018 01:04:51,809 --> 01:04:56,219 same time. Like we get this like big attention to 2.0 and then 1019 01:04:56,489 --> 01:05:00,449 all my favorite all my favorite shows. You know the They're 1020 01:05:00,479 --> 01:05:06,029 doing booster grams is beautiful. I mean, it's take 1021 01:05:06,059 --> 01:05:11,219 we're off, you know, just add more water. That's it. We're 1022 01:05:11,429 --> 01:05:12,359 doing well. 1023 01:05:12,899 --> 01:05:15,479 While we're doing well on the boost, we get zero pay pals. 1024 01:05:15,749 --> 01:05:20,189 I just spent 10 years and $65 million of investors money at 1025 01:05:20,189 --> 01:05:26,969 pod show and bvo. Literally, I have like one share in Lucite to 1026 01:05:26,969 --> 01:05:33,119 show for it. Well, you know, it's like, and no success. I 1027 01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:35,279 mean, it wasn't a matter of that we lost the money, but there's 1028 01:05:35,279 --> 01:05:39,479 no success. And we just we just have success. I'm very proud of 1029 01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:39,839 us. 1030 01:05:42,570 --> 01:05:45,690 Yeah, we get, we get zero pay pals, but we got 1031 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,860 I'm not proud of that unless we got a lot of boosts. We got a 1032 01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:52,530 lot of boosts and Satoshis. And I'm very proud of it 1033 01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:57,330 is my fault and went on vacation last week. And yeah, 1034 01:05:57,330 --> 01:06:00,900 and that's crazy. What happens law. So I did want to remind 1035 01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:03,510 everybody, and I'll probably do this as part of our talk, Dave, 1036 01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:07,890 if you want to have a successful podcast, okay. People say what 1037 01:06:07,890 --> 01:06:10,500 is the what is what should I really make sure I do? 1038 01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:14,640 Show up at the same time every week. Yeah. And we and we 1039 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,930 kind of broke that rule because we didn't prepare people. I 1040 01:06:18,930 --> 01:06:24,030 don't think I certainly didn't. I didn't think about it and post 1041 01:06:24,030 --> 01:06:30,180 and tweet about it not enough. And it breaks people. Yeah, it 1042 01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:32,850 really does. It breaks there especially Fridays, you know, 1043 01:06:32,850 --> 01:06:36,180 people just like Oh, what am I got? I've had with podcast like 1044 01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:40,680 pod land. If, if that doesn't show up, and I don't know that, 1045 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:46,560 what the reason is? I'm out of sorts. Yeah, I hate to say it. 1046 01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:49,680 But it's my fault. It's my fault. Because 1047 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,890 it's No, it's not your fault. No, no, no, no, no, it's not 1048 01:06:52,890 --> 01:06:53,940 because we did 1049 01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:56,850 not. We didn't even on Friday, I didn't even know that we're 1050 01:06:56,850 --> 01:07:00,360 gonna go on vacation then next week. No, we, you know, we 1051 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,000 decided over the weekend. And I'm like, oh, 1052 01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:04,979 no, it's not. It's not a problem. I'm just saying, 1053 01:07:05,009 --> 01:07:08,549 there's my advice. Always. It doesn't matter if you're doing 1054 01:07:08,609 --> 01:07:12,059 and this gets broken all the time. Mo fax is notorious. I'm 1055 01:07:12,059 --> 01:07:14,489 like, you're really hurting the show. And he's got other stuff 1056 01:07:14,489 --> 01:07:16,619 going on. It's like, okay, just, I'm just gonna say it every 1057 01:07:16,619 --> 01:07:21,299 single time. If you can't do it on the same day, then it's just 1058 01:07:21,299 --> 01:07:25,529 going to hurt. And it does. So. Anyway, there's my advice. 1059 01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:35,910 And talk. Talk Id heard. Heard, Chef. Yes, thank you. But we did 1060 01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:39,900 get lots of booths. Like, nice. We do need to have this 1061 01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:42,390 discussion, though. I mean, like, there has to be a boost. 1062 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,330 We're gonna have to implement some sort of limit because 1063 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,630 1000 Satoshi caught off is my was my thinking. 1064 01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:54,780 Is that okay, source Okay, from so from now on. 1000 That's 1065 01:07:54,780 --> 01:07:55,560 gotta be the cut 1066 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,550 to be read on the show. I mean, the red doesn't mean that. And 1067 01:07:59,550 --> 01:08:02,250 by the way, that doesn't mean that that we won't grab 1068 01:08:02,250 --> 01:08:04,920 something that was really funny or whatever. That might have 1069 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,850 been a fountain comment or he knows it's not like we ignore 1070 01:08:08,850 --> 01:08:12,540 it. There's like no agenda under $50. Now we literally just we 1071 01:08:12,570 --> 01:08:16,080 the whole show would be donation show. There's already a lot 1072 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,940 yeah, you know, that's why we made three and a half 1073 01:08:17,940 --> 01:08:19,320 hours are in longer. Yeah. 1074 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,420 But people don't seem to mind once you set the the level 1075 01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:29,940 we got elite boost from Sir lurks a lot. 1337 from fountain 1076 01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:32,280 he says I strongly believe that there should be a concerted 1077 01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,980 effort to bring open source developers into the value for 1078 01:08:34,980 --> 01:08:39,030 value Zeitgeist. That's a good word. Yes. In concert with in 1079 01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:41,340 concert with teaching podcasters about the values of the open 1080 01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:45,630 source ethos, free Libra open source software needs solutions 1081 01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:49,320 to their own issues, finding ways to get value back for their 1082 01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,880 often Herculean efforts for the community. I see this as all 1083 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,850 connected, closing the feedback circle and putting faith in your 1084 01:08:56,850 --> 01:08:59,790 audience are users cosmic stuff, pew, pew, pew, 1085 01:08:59,790 --> 01:09:02,880 pew pew pew. I agree. And there was somebody the other day who 1086 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,870 posted on Twitter, and everyone can participate in this everyone 1087 01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:09,360 who's who's listening, who's not a developer if you want to help 1088 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,380 out podcasting 2.0 When you see someone saying like, Hey, man, 1089 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,370 you know, these apps don't even have the basics. You know, it's 1090 01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,100 just a non starter, they're not ready for primetime. 1091 01:09:21,900 --> 01:09:24,660 So these are my favorite. This is my favorite. They suck. 1092 01:09:26,310 --> 01:09:30,090 Yeah, that's, that's, I've heard that one too. You know, what's, 1093 01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:33,810 what's great is when you say, hey, you know what, I'm sure the 1094 01:09:33,810 --> 01:09:36,690 developers would love to hear from you. And, you know, if you 1095 01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:40,440 can, if you can figure out how to communicate with them. You 1096 01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:43,560 might even get some stuff in there that you really want that 1097 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,140 you wanted. In addition, not just to fix but you know, 1098 01:09:46,350 --> 01:09:49,590 something that that you you can have a direct pipeline into the 1099 01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:53,490 software you're using. How fantastic is that? 1100 01:09:54,330 --> 01:09:58,050 Creators of things love to hear fear. Developers love to hear 1101 01:09:58,050 --> 01:10:01,380 feedback. Yeah, and they even love it even more when you're 1102 01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:02,310 not a jackass. 1103 01:10:03,090 --> 01:10:07,590 Exactly, exactly. So So for instance, what does not work 1104 01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:13,440 with me is I was I was just deciding how much to send you. 1105 01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:16,800 But then you said this now I don't even know if I can send it 1106 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:17,340 at all. 1107 01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:21,900 In an amazing that you caught them right at the moment of the 1108 01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:24,150 shrine of trying to decide what how much to send. 1109 01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:27,150 It's like I blew it, man. I'm so sorry. 1110 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:34,500 Timing. Mary, Mary Oscar also known as Oscar Marius, and it's 1111 01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:37,230 20,000 SATs through fountain and he says, I love the idea of a 1112 01:10:37,230 --> 01:10:43,890 podcasting. 2.0 hackathon. Yes, Tom? Would Buzzsprout support 1113 01:10:43,890 --> 01:10:48,120 some sort of hackathon? Heck yeah. With it with a cash prize? 1114 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:54,450 Cash with a real revisit to the to the Buzzsprout mothership. 1115 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,140 Yeah, I do think we need a tighter window though. Like the 1116 01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:58,470 idea of 1117 01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,410 you know, I think cash prize man, I'm sorry, Tom, but 1118 01:11:02,820 --> 01:11:05,880 I know you don't think opening up our offices and letting bad 1119 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,420 idea bro bad idea. That will give him 30 minutes in a 1120 01:11:09,420 --> 01:11:10,200 recording studio. 1121 01:11:11,370 --> 01:11:14,370 Now, none of that's a good idea. Cash Money money. 1122 01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:18,390 What do you what do you think would like, like, three months? 1123 01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:21,570 I was thinking like a 90 day just seems saying Oh, don't 1124 01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:22,170 really 1125 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,450 hold on? Hold on. Hold on. Let me think 1126 01:11:24,540 --> 01:11:26,760 it depends on how tight we can we can come up with the 1127 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,610 requirements of whatever the hackathon is. What do you what 1128 01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:34,200 do you think? What, what kind of my thought initially was okay. 1129 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,910 Some kind of wide open thing that says it can be anything as 1130 01:11:38,910 --> 01:11:41,790 long as it supports a podcasting 2.0 feature? 1131 01:11:42,180 --> 01:11:44,760 Well, we can put together a prize package and here's what 1132 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:50,850 I'd say. I'll bet I can get a Texas slim top hand beef box. 1133 01:11:51,330 --> 01:11:57,720 Nice. I'll bet I can get some CBD products. I'll bet me the 1134 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,750 whole we can just look to the people who already have great, 1135 01:12:00,990 --> 01:12:04,530 great stuff that kind of circle around us and we'll just ask 1136 01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:05,610 them to springboard. 1137 01:12:05,610 --> 01:12:13,140 They will want the bus prop bus. I bet I could get it. That's 1138 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:13,950 like one Satoshi. 1139 01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:18,000 Man. How about a free year a free year. But you know what I 1140 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,330 think just the beef box by itself would probably be a draw. 1141 01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:23,850 That's like a $275 Beef box. 1142 01:12:24,629 --> 01:12:28,349 madeiros from Casitas will give you 30 minutes of personalized 1143 01:12:28,349 --> 01:12:32,699 WordPress development advice. That's engeman Richardson from 1144 01:12:32,699 --> 01:12:35,609 rss.com. We'll let you come over to his house and he'll grill out 1145 01:12:35,609 --> 01:12:36,359 in his backyard for 1146 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,250 you. Are they texting you? What are you doing right now? 1147 01:12:39,570 --> 01:12:42,270 No, I'm just I'm brainstorming. They don't get any input on 1148 01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:44,280 this. I just get to promise things and they have to do it. 1149 01:12:45,630 --> 01:12:50,370 curdling will throw some shrimp on the barbie. Now you go. I 1150 01:12:50,370 --> 01:12:52,980 know how much Australians hate that because they don't throw 1151 01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:56,820 shrimp on the barbie. They hate it. 1152 01:12:57,450 --> 01:13:00,120 Okay, we got to this idea is important. We got we got to do 1153 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:01,260 this. We got to flesh it out. 1154 01:13:01,290 --> 01:13:07,110 Okay, so I will work on the gift box on the hacker box with some 1155 01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:09,990 cash prizes. And then and I do agree with Tom, I think we 1156 01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:14,100 should have a tighter timeline. I think we should make Yeah. And 1157 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,250 when do we do it? You know, maybe near the end of the summer 1158 01:13:17,250 --> 01:13:20,940 or obviously I think the depression will kick in probably 1159 01:13:20,940 --> 01:13:26,160 around November. So maybe when winter is a winner when people 1160 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,420 who can't afford heat. You know, so that's a huddle by their 1161 01:13:30,420 --> 01:13:31,830 mining machines. And there 1162 01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:36,690 is the motion for positivity. Is that still gonna? No? Sorry. 1163 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,560 Germans run out of Germans run out of Russian gas and December 1164 01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:45,930 and we give them longer because their fingers are really cold. 1165 01:13:45,930 --> 01:13:46,980 They will be able to tie very when 1166 01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:50,520 the Prime Minister of Italy just resigned. So that's only the 1167 01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,690 largest economy in the EU zone. I mean, what could possibly 1168 01:13:54,690 --> 01:13:57,570 happen in the next couple of months? I don't see any issues 1169 01:13:57,570 --> 01:13:58,020 at all. 1170 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:05,160 Okay, Todd from Northern Virginia. Not sure I know. Todd 1171 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:14,040 is 11 se as a row 111 111. So 11,111 Breeze. He says love the 1172 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,980 hackathon idea as long as the participants are named Curry's 1173 01:14:16,980 --> 01:14:18,300 kids, Adam camp. 1174 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,550 Oh, no. There you go. They know what am I talking about? It's so 1175 01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:29,160 obvious. Okay. Besides the lovely Texas slim top hand beef 1176 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,750 box besides the CBD products I have, I have all kinds of great 1177 01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:37,440 stuff. We got some challenge coins we'll throw in. But we 1178 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:43,620 will have the vote done by the podcast into 2.0 community with 1179 01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:49,380 a leaderboard. Where you donate, you push that your vote is your 1180 01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:50,850 your Satoshis or your vote 1181 01:14:52,110 --> 01:14:55,230 and put a hashtag it's some sort of hashtag in it or something so 1182 01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,690 that gets automatically counted and updated on the leaderboard 1183 01:14:57,690 --> 01:15:00,690 and there's and there's your your cat prize 1184 01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:04,950 now and you just get the prize. The prize, of course, is 1185 01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:11,820 brilliant. So think about that. Dad is killer curious kids right 1186 01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:13,200 there. We'll call it the curious kid and 1187 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,620 little leaderboard curious kids not rude at all. Not ableist at 1188 01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:19,560 all. Okay, let's do that. I think that'll go fine with the 1189 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,960 white nationalists. Yeah, they'll go good. Yeah, I mean, 1190 01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:28,590 that makes so much sense because projects that people want to 1191 01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:33,300 support though. They'll boost those more and then you and then 1192 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:34,290 you get the prize. 1193 01:15:35,010 --> 01:15:37,740 I like it. No, this this okay, that's beautiful. It's been it 1194 01:15:37,740 --> 01:15:40,110 has been fleshed it is and now has fled. Now we 1195 01:15:40,110 --> 01:15:43,320 have to send it through legal and we're good to go. Legal. 1196 01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:48,900 Okay, done. I just approved it. Okay, 1197 01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:50,250 I'm only kidding. 1198 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:56,220 One nine. Yeah, true. That is kind of true. 1939 SAS from 1199 01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:59,250 Carl. And Carl says we all know Dave is the man behind the 1200 01:15:59,250 --> 01:16:01,350 curtain. That's right. Of course. 1201 01:16:02,130 --> 01:16:06,360 He's lurking behind the curtain. Yes, da we think I'm doing 1202 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:06,900 anything 1203 01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:09,930 on my notes. So I don't forget this. I'm just putting Curry's 1204 01:16:09,930 --> 01:16:17,010 kids. See dubs send us 10,101 SATs through the command line 1205 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,660 nine. He says yeah, like a badass. It says what I was 1206 01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:29,760 gonna say is that the CL CL. I asked for the CLI T app. This is 1207 01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:33,450 because I see that I see that one on the rundown. Like I 1208 01:16:33,450 --> 01:16:37,320 haven't seen that. Yes, yes, totally. There must be some 1209 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,800 joker. Totally different. Yeah, I'm telling you. Someone's using 1210 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:41,160 it. 1211 01:16:41,820 --> 01:16:46,350 Does have two different effects. Please help celebrate boost bots 1212 01:16:46,350 --> 01:16:51,960 imminent. Boost bots imminent 1,000th Post Oh, okay. Please 1213 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,620 help celebrate the boost bots imminent 1000s post by boosting 1214 01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:58,320 your favorite parts participating podcast or 1215 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:03,450 checking out social dot v for v dot dev at slash at boost bot. 1216 01:17:03,930 --> 01:17:06,600 And also boost bot now has leaderboards posted every 1217 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,040 morning powered by the cron 1218 01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:13,710 O. V for v dot dev great domain name. I mean, check it out. 1219 01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:17,550 It is a good domain name. Do you know the boost bot? The boost 1220 01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:18,750 bot is 1221 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,770 I use is V number four v I'm sorry. 1222 01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:26,730 Yeah, yeah, that's right. V number four v dot Dev. There's 1223 01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:29,670 all these boost bots and you can hook up your boost bot to your 1224 01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:32,490 to your lightning node or wallet. In it when you get a 1225 01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:37,140 boost. It'll post it on like Twitter or Mastodon or IRC chat. 1226 01:17:37,170 --> 01:17:40,260 It'll just post it everywhere. Like that's cool. Yeah. It's 1227 01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:41,610 like a party. It's like a bonanza. 1228 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:46,500 Oh, I see. It's boost. See lit I got it 1229 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:54,180 as dangerous. Dangerous. Yeah, that's that's a different 1230 01:17:54,180 --> 01:17:55,170 service altogether. 1231 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:04,410 No. It's a real service. Yeah, no, but it's for lit it's for 1232 01:18:04,410 --> 01:18:05,220 lit. 1233 01:18:05,730 --> 01:18:09,780 I know. I know. But it's funny. It's funny. It's funny that he 1234 01:18:09,780 --> 01:18:12,660 says is this what they would name it? If only fans got into 1235 01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:13,770 value for value? 1236 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,820 It's servo it's servo. Who did this fork? I don't know. I just 1237 01:18:17,820 --> 01:18:20,910 I thought it was going crazy. Am I Am I reading words myself now? 1238 01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:23,400 No, that was real if I had to go I gotta make sure I wasn't 1239 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,650 crazy. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't mean to create and 1240 01:18:26,250 --> 01:18:30,840 Chris Fisher from Jupiter broadcasting sent us 8888 SATs 1241 01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:34,830 Nice. He's really been enjoying the show and the discussions 1242 01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:37,680 recently thanks for trying out the road caster Adam has been 1243 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,750 valuable hearing your thoughts on it. Ah, 1244 01:18:39,870 --> 01:18:45,600 okay. Quick road caster update boost. I love this box. It has 1245 01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:50,100 pretty much everything I want in it. Few buggies to be worked 1246 01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:54,450 out. One there's certain circumstances when the USB 1247 01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:59,790 particularly when you load in a show the USB may blip or 1248 01:18:59,790 --> 01:19:03,720 something and then you can use lose the USB connection to your 1249 01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:07,200 computer which might require a restart or maybe replugging that 1250 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:13,440 kind of sucks. The pads I had expected that if you restore a 1251 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,710 show all the pads that you set up for that show would come back 1252 01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:20,520 so you would have pads per show not just all pads all the time 1253 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:28,320 and you need processing on the pad channel otherwise A a plus. 1254 01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:31,380 So you can't save a preset of pans 1255 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,840 know that you can save a preset of pads but they the same pad 1256 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:41,250 preset goes with every show you save it doesn't switch so okay 1257 01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:44,490 so even though you have a lot of you can tab between a whole 1258 01:19:44,490 --> 01:19:47,070 bunch you have to now I have to now choose which ones I want to 1259 01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:54,240 do because I can't fill up six or eight screens of eight pads. 1260 01:19:54,750 --> 01:19:57,960 For just one show. I can have you know one or two for one show 1261 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,490 one for the next show etc 1262 01:20:01,050 --> 01:20:05,310 gotcha I'm on a road caster two right now. It's a very pretty 1263 01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:08,400 everybody needs one I really and I don't get paid they've never 1264 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,410 spoken to me they've never listened to me. They don't give 1265 01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:11,280 a shit about me 1266 01:20:13,410 --> 01:20:14,130 made that clear, 1267 01:20:15,269 --> 01:20:18,329 but it's a great I'm being honest. I love it. I can't wait 1268 01:20:18,329 --> 01:20:21,659 to use it on the road. We're using it for Podcast Movement. 1269 01:20:22,049 --> 01:20:26,789 It's exciting it has it has it really except little things like 1270 01:20:26,789 --> 01:20:29,969 a five band EQ etc, etc. They'll figure that out they update it 1271 01:20:29,969 --> 01:20:30,659 with software 1272 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:37,860 floydian slips gave us 4567 SATs through fountain he says set 1273 01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:41,190 vertising podcasting for value one idiots attempt at starting a 1274 01:20:41,190 --> 01:20:47,280 value for value podcast. Yes. 15,000 SATs from Dave Jackson. 1275 01:20:47,340 --> 01:20:51,540 Hey, podcast Hall of Famer. I should say I'm supposed to say 1276 01:20:51,540 --> 01:20:54,450 that sort of like Michael Jackson the King of Pop. Yeah, 1277 01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:59,130 I'm required by legal to say Hall of Fame podcaster comma 1278 01:20:59,130 --> 01:21:04,290 Dave Jackson. Thank you for the podcast network. masterclass. Go 1279 01:21:04,290 --> 01:21:05,070 podcasting. 1280 01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:06,540 Yo yo, oops 1281 01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:10,620 whoa, wait. 1282 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,700 That's exactly what I'm talking about. I gotta sweep through all 1283 01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:19,560 these different pads to get to the right one. Sorry. 1284 01:21:20,940 --> 01:21:26,760 Let's see who got through there this much this much a tiny 1285 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,930 things like test boost. Blueberry since 50,000 SATs 1286 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:36,270 Whoa, stick around after this coming Sunday service edition of 1287 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:40,860 NA to catch midnight mic of the hour big dumb mouth podcast. 1288 01:21:41,010 --> 01:21:44,580 Join behind the schemes alive and lit. Hopefully we'll have a 1289 01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:48,000 super cool super fresh, awesome debut of a new type of boost. 1290 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,340 It's gonna leave you jonesing for more 1291 01:21:53,820 --> 01:21:57,570 now, this was this one that came in for meant for the previous 1292 01:21:57,570 --> 01:22:00,450 show the board meeting that we didn't do, because I thought 1293 01:22:00,450 --> 01:22:03,570 they were I think they were on no after. No. Oh, maybe. Okay, 1294 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:03,930 good. 1295 01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,870 No, this this came in July 15 attenuator. And 1296 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,950 so they've got some kind of new kind of boost. I don't 1297 01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:15,060 understand what that mean. I'm very I'm all I'm excited. I'm 1298 01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:15,870 excited. Yeah. 1299 01:22:17,250 --> 01:22:22,890 Thank you, Barry. See fit 15,000 SATs from a boat. No, no, no, I 1300 01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:27,840 got that one out. Order my bed. 54,321 SATs from Roy scheinfeld 1301 01:22:27,870 --> 01:22:32,610 Yay. Yay. From breeze the breeze podcast app and breeze wallet. 1302 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,070 Go podcasting go podcast. 1303 01:22:36,059 --> 01:22:39,869 Thank you, Roy. Sorry, we ruined your weekend by not showing up. 1304 01:22:39,899 --> 01:22:43,619 Roy got worried. Did he? Yeah, he thinks something's wrong. Is 1305 01:22:43,619 --> 01:22:46,709 everyone okay? Is Dave Okay? Is that because you know you? You 1306 01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:49,079 are on vacation so you weren't even posting? You know he's 1307 01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:52,979 Mossad. So he's looking like holy shit, man. I don't see it. 1308 01:22:53,279 --> 01:22:57,539 I don't see a digital footprint of Dave if that's the problem. 1309 01:22:58,139 --> 01:22:59,969 Let me let me contact his handler 1310 01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:07,590 the flaw with this analogy though is he's he's Mossad and 1311 01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:18,360 you're my handler that's the word stream Davis 5552 sets and 1312 01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,660 he says there are direct flights to Bitcoin. Esther Damn, I 1313 01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:23,400 guess. Okay. 1314 01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,580 From where 1315 01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:28,500 Austin? Is Utah metals? 1316 01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:31,920 Well, he right now I think all those direct flights have all 1317 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,550 been canceled for the summer it's over the airline travel as 1318 01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:37,410 you as you know what is ending? 1319 01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:41,430 It's it's a complete disaster or court loan anywhere late, late 1320 01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:45,090 on time avoiding it time to according to totally. According 1321 01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:45,210 to 1322 01:23:45,210 --> 01:23:48,630 meters, the pads change per show for him. Okay, maybe there's an 1323 01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:50,880 update that I haven't had installed yet. 1324 01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:56,460 Sir Pete says 3000 SATs he says podcast podcasting Hackathon is 1325 01:23:56,460 --> 01:23:59,490 a great idea. I have access to students sort of 1326 01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:02,520 in my basement. Sort of. 1327 01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:12,450 That's really creepy. Yeah, so it's not right. Okay. We're 1328 01:24:12,450 --> 01:24:15,660 gonna we're gonna skip sir pizza. No, there. 1329 01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:19,110 Thank you, sir. Pete. We look forward to meeting your 1330 01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:20,040 students. 1331 01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:25,020 We look forward to having access to your students. know Matt. Joe 1332 01:24:25,020 --> 01:24:28,830 sent us 2000 says they're found and then he says, Thanks, guys. 1333 01:24:29,070 --> 01:24:30,120 Thank you. No magic. 1334 01:24:30,690 --> 01:24:33,450 Thank you. Scott Sikora 1335 01:24:33,599 --> 01:24:40,259 sent us 5150 SAS 5150 Nice. It's a Van Halen boost and he sent us 1336 01:24:40,259 --> 01:24:43,799 a says a here it is to help you get your foot here is to help 1337 01:24:43,799 --> 01:24:47,039 you get to your first million. Okay. 1338 01:24:47,759 --> 01:24:50,699 Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it boost. 1339 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,590 I'm not sure he's talking about first million though. I don't 1340 01:24:55,590 --> 01:25:02,520 know. Evil flow centers. 21 SATs with some fun emojis will thank 1341 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:02,640 you 1342 01:25:04,650 --> 01:25:07,440 that's ending evil. whatever your name is that's ending. The 1343 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:08,490 free ride is over 1344 01:25:09,269 --> 01:25:13,469 the free ride. Oh, okay, here we go. Do you have your Do you have 1345 01:25:13,469 --> 01:25:13,799 your 1346 01:25:14,339 --> 01:25:18,449 dude? Yeah. Big baller I'm straddling the pad 1347 01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:27,450 Okay, Meachem was prime 222,222 sets 1348 01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:33,060 shot caller 20 is blades on am Paula 1349 01:25:33,090 --> 01:25:34,020 Nice. 1350 01:25:34,530 --> 01:25:37,080 That's a that's like a hose of Doug's 1351 01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:44,310 was rolling thank you that is that is nice. 1352 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,960 So thank you guys for dragging podcasts into current year 1353 01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:51,960 kicking and screaming it has made it very easy to set up 1354 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,750 Bitcoin streaming as well as give credit to the voice talent 1355 01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:58,260 on my podcast, the smugglers log. That's a pretty good name 1356 01:25:58,260 --> 01:25:59,070 for McCullers log. 1357 01:25:59,070 --> 01:26:00,420 I like that. Yes, good. Yeah, that's 1358 01:26:00,420 --> 01:26:04,530 a good one. Man, this. This sounds like a lame plug. Sorry. 1359 01:26:04,590 --> 01:26:07,080 Regardless, I'm very grateful and encouraged. 1360 01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:09,150 Not lame at all. Man. That's beautiful. 1361 01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,270 Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Miss Brown. 1362 01:26:12,570 --> 01:26:16,140 Much appreciated. I think that was the winner for today. As far 1363 01:26:16,140 --> 01:26:20,070 as big ballers go. Satoshi start stream sent us another one. He 1364 01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:25,170 says, Hey guys, about Satoshi stream not displaying full 1365 01:26:25,170 --> 01:26:28,980 amounts in boost messages shown in channels and live through the 1366 01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:34,380 bot. The original teal dLv. Total is shown in the export the 1367 01:26:34,380 --> 01:26:37,290 Excel file with charts and boosts per chapter. It's all 1368 01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:38,760 real money. Cheers. 1369 01:26:39,210 --> 01:26:43,380 Yeah, yeah. But of course, people just Yes. That's good to 1370 01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:47,520 know. And if you're doing it like if you're using heli pad, I 1371 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,290 certainly recommend exporting. 1372 01:26:51,150 --> 01:26:53,040 Export is quite it's quite beautiful in 1373 01:26:53,340 --> 01:26:57,390 how you kicked ass as it's really just roping you into 1374 01:26:57,390 --> 01:27:00,000 complementing Oh, yeah, no. Well, you know what the thing is 1375 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,590 that heli pad is scurrying for features. I'll just keep saying 1376 01:27:04,590 --> 01:27:07,410 it's an open project, you can submit your PR. I mean, it's 1377 01:27:07,410 --> 01:27:11,370 anyone can add something to it, you could become the Darling 1378 01:27:11,370 --> 01:27:15,060 hero of podcasters around the globe. Oh, thank you for adding 1379 01:27:15,060 --> 01:27:15,150 me 1380 01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:19,590 to the hack hackathons. You go and say this with regards to 1381 01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:24,930 Hill pad. Try not to submit a PR that completely changes the 1382 01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:28,920 entire thing. Like try to just add features instead of like, an 1383 01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:33,990 entire new UI. Oh, really much to review. Like I review the 1384 01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:37,680 head. I'm just one dude. And like, it's, it's a little hard. 1385 01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,440 So if you want to, if you want to do some sort of massive 1386 01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:44,070 rewrite, please. You know, by all means, get in touch but 1387 01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:46,590 don't just submit it as a PR because I had no idea what's 1388 01:27:46,590 --> 01:27:53,340 going on when you submit, you know, a a 150 file, do 25,000 1389 01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:54,060 line rewrite i 1390 01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,670 happen often or is that just once? 1391 01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:03,570 No, it happened once but it's just too much. As you see, Karen 1392 01:28:03,570 --> 01:28:06,600 for the mere mortals podcast erode ducts 2222 through curio 1393 01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,750 caster and he says, as you were mentioning leaderboards check 1394 01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:14,310 out WwM mere mortals podcast.com/supporter. If you 1395 01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:18,990 want an example of what a what a schmick one can look like, there 1396 01:28:18,990 --> 01:28:19,920 must be an Australian 1397 01:28:22,590 --> 01:28:25,050 URL is mere mortals 1398 01:28:26,130 --> 01:28:31,530 WWW dot mere mortals podcast.com/supporter. We update 1399 01:28:31,530 --> 01:28:34,530 it once a month in our live monthly goals episode and 1400 01:28:34,650 --> 01:28:37,950 include commentary such as who has moved up the most incentives 1401 01:28:37,950 --> 01:28:41,580 to retire goals 100,000 sets and whether Peter will ever be 1402 01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:45,150 dethroned. It's like horse race gambling but I'm not the one 1403 01:28:45,150 --> 01:28:45,960 losing my money. 1404 01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:52,380 Well, there you are. cphr is holy crab. Looks like he's 1405 01:28:52,380 --> 01:28:57,690 donated half a million Satoshis you Dave Jones quarter million. 1406 01:28:58,290 --> 01:29:02,430 Then Stephen B. 100,000. Mary Oscar 40,000. Why am I not on 1407 01:29:02,430 --> 01:29:05,970 this list? I feel like a shit. Oh, there I am. Oh, me. I'm 1408 01:29:05,970 --> 01:29:07,740 gonna number 12 I'm lame. 1409 01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:09,720 No, that's lame. Well, I'm 1410 01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:13,050 Brian. I'm above Brian of London, so I feel good. 1411 01:29:14,190 --> 01:29:19,080 That's all that matters as peatland, it's nice guys. 3690 1412 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,740 SATs through fountain and he just says thanks. Thank you. 1413 01:29:22,770 --> 01:29:27,840 Thank you get two more we get 2222 for Macintosh through 1414 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,030 fountain he says hope you enjoyed the time. I wouldn't 1415 01:29:30,030 --> 01:29:32,790 hope you enjoy the time off Dave. Great content is always go 1416 01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:39,960 podcasting podcasting. In the last boost from unnamed user Ed 1417 01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,570 fountain and he says gracias dinero for SATs. 1418 01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:47,100 Oh man, thank you all so much for sending us the value. It is 1419 01:29:47,130 --> 01:29:51,960 incredibly appreciated. We did seek anything else Well, a 1420 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,410 couple of live booths. This is how the project works. We've 1421 01:29:55,410 --> 01:29:57,900 been talking about it throughout most of the show was if you get 1422 01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:02,160 any value from this from the project itself. Whatever your 1423 01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,760 reason is, it's completely open. And we do appreciate it when you 1424 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:11,550 use the value for value model. You can also send us Fiat fun 1425 01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:14,940 coupons go to podcast index.org. Scroll down at the bottom you 1426 01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:17,820 can, there's a Pay Pal button to the big red donate button. But 1427 01:30:17,820 --> 01:30:21,480 also, if you want that we have an on chain. Oh, I, you know, I 1428 01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:26,610 always forget to look at that. I'm so sorry. Tally coin, let's 1429 01:30:26,610 --> 01:30:30,600 just check. Because there's rarely does anyone ever donate 1430 01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,180 through the QR code after a lot of people ask for it. 1431 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,590 It's funny how that happens. It's not to tell me have you 1432 01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:42,270 ever had a feature that like, people request or ask for ask 1433 01:30:42,270 --> 01:30:44,640 for like a million times over? And then you implement it? And 1434 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:50,760 then nobody uses it? I'm sure we have. I've there's definitely 1435 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,070 features that we've rolled out because people think that they 1436 01:30:53,070 --> 01:30:56,880 want it. And then they just never use it. So you kind of 1437 01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,140 bury it in the UI so that way? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. 1438 01:31:01,290 --> 01:31:03,660 Okay. There's some features that people ask for that you just 1439 01:31:03,660 --> 01:31:08,100 like, and this is going to be a real pain in the butt. And I 1440 01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:12,540 really don't think you want this that much. Yeah, like, Nah, we 1441 01:31:12,540 --> 01:31:15,420 tend to hold the line pretty strong about building new 1442 01:31:15,420 --> 01:31:19,320 features. So if we don't think it's a good feature, we will, 1443 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,130 will usually tell them like, hey, this, we have a, our 1444 01:31:23,130 --> 01:31:25,410 support team does a great job of communicating with podcasters. 1445 01:31:25,410 --> 01:31:26,790 And they write in and they're like, Oh, we really want this 1446 01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:30,600 feature. And we tell them like you can tell them our opinion 1447 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,210 about software. So this is why we're not going to build that 1448 01:31:33,210 --> 01:31:35,520 feature, as opposed to other companies where they just say, 1449 01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:38,490 oh, you know, thank you for that request. And so sometimes we'll 1450 01:31:38,490 --> 01:31:40,440 actually tell them, This is why we don't think that's a good 1451 01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:44,280 idea, you know, to build that feature. But um, yeah, we push 1452 01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,640 back usually pretty hard. Unless it's a good idea. 1453 01:31:48,599 --> 01:31:51,299 And there was something I just want to remind you of day 1454 01:31:51,299 --> 01:31:54,269 because I looked at it and I knew that you'd like to drip 1455 01:31:54,269 --> 01:31:56,729 drip Scott put together a namespace chart. 1456 01:31:57,900 --> 01:31:59,190 Yes, yes. 1457 01:32:00,690 --> 01:32:02,040 One explain what that is. 1458 01:32:03,180 --> 01:32:07,890 Yeah, it's a chart of, of which hosting companies support which 1459 01:32:07,890 --> 01:32:08,400 features I 1460 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,310 think, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's what it is. Yes. 1461 01:32:11,850 --> 01:32:14,070 Oh, God. I don't know if I can find it this fast. 1462 01:32:17,310 --> 01:32:22,740 I have it here. I have it here. The Well, no, I what I have is I 1463 01:32:22,740 --> 01:32:26,550 have the link to hear it is just about you got it. 1464 01:32:27,060 --> 01:32:32,310 Yeah, got it. Let's see. So it's a list of podcasts namespace 1465 01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:35,880 supported elements of the 16 form. formalized assorted by 1466 01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,800 podcast app. There you go shows shows which apps support how 1467 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,320 many tags so this shows 1468 01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:46,800 and hosts he has he has one with a host as well. Yeah, he did. 1469 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:47,400 Host also 1470 01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,090 so pod verse supports nine pod friend eight tags, podcast 1471 01:32:51,090 --> 01:32:58,260 addict, eight tags, curio caster eight. Podcast, Guru seven. 1472 01:32:58,410 --> 01:33:00,930 I want to put this down show notes is beautiful. 1473 01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:05,520 Yeah, it's really nice. And then hosts. There's just cast 1474 01:33:05,550 --> 01:33:10,650 supports 10 different tags came out of nowhere. RSS blue eight 1475 01:33:10,650 --> 01:33:13,290 cast pod eight Buzzsprout. Seven goes 1476 01:33:13,290 --> 01:33:15,090 is RSS blue. Where are they from? 1477 01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:22,020 I don't, I'm not sure. But I'm reaching out to to the 1478 01:33:22,020 --> 01:33:26,790 developer. See if we can have have him on. Dynamite and then 1479 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:32,400 our sis.com Six and fireside Six sounder.fm Five blueberry or 1480 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:36,240 PowerPress? Five. So yeah, it just goes down there. Castillo's 1481 01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:40,290 four. Yeah, they're good. These are good charts. Yeah, really? 1482 01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:42,120 Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten to write that 1483 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:42,720 among those. 1484 01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,860 So we should probably that's something for our for our talk. 1485 01:33:48,150 --> 01:33:49,320 Yeah. Ooh, there 1486 01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,990 you go. Which I'll remind everybody we're paying nothing 1487 01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:57,390 for. How about that? We're somehow we're riding off of 1488 01:33:57,420 --> 01:34:02,160 Buzzsprout. No, good nature. No, 1489 01:34:02,220 --> 01:34:06,870 no, no, no, no. I don't think they just put us in contact. 1490 01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:07,260 When 1491 01:34:07,260 --> 01:34:10,740 is our talk? Day when is our talk again? And you know the 1492 01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:11,040 time? 1493 01:34:12,210 --> 01:34:16,560 I do it's on the on the Wednesday the 23rd 1494 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:17,910 on the Wednesday okay. 1495 01:34:18,810 --> 01:34:24,000 It's the 24th 24th I think it's the first day is it like 1130 1496 01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:30,150 Todd and Rob asked me to join they have a panel on Friday on 1497 01:34:30,150 --> 01:34:33,180 the on the main keynote stage which sounds like it'd be real 1498 01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:33,810 impressive. 1499 01:34:37,740 --> 01:34:41,520 Now no relation now that sorry. You're gonna be on the new media 1500 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:42,750 show. Is that the way to work? Yeah, I 1501 01:34:42,750 --> 01:34:45,360 guess they're doing their streaming live. Maybe. I think 1502 01:34:45,390 --> 01:34:48,570 they have a panel. So we'll have a couple of people on the panel. 1503 01:34:49,950 --> 01:34:52,950 And it goes till 1245 Which would delay the board meeting a 1504 01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:53,940 little bit if that's okay. 1505 01:34:54,510 --> 01:34:58,920 Yeah, that's cool. It's only acceptable it can I boost the 1506 01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,160 new media show live. had Todd read the booster Graham from the 1507 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:02,730 stage? 1508 01:35:03,060 --> 01:35:06,090 I will make that a requirement for my attendance. Consider it 1509 01:35:06,090 --> 01:35:11,310 okay. So just just to make sure I Adam will attend only if Dave 1510 01:35:11,310 --> 01:35:15,750 can boost live while it's taking place. And Todd reads the boost 1511 01:35:15,780 --> 01:35:16,380 out loud. 1512 01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,020 Yes. And I'm going to be in the audience. So I want to convey I 1513 01:35:19,020 --> 01:35:20,520 have to confirm. Yeah. 1514 01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,170 And then he'll say it and then I'll look at you and then you 1515 01:35:25,170 --> 01:35:26,430 confirm and then I will speak. 1516 01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:31,140 Yes. And if he's, if he screws it up, we're gonna yank you on. 1517 01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:32,190 Jeopardy. 1518 01:35:32,309 --> 01:35:35,489 Just put a button just bag me bag over my head and yank me off 1519 01:35:35,489 --> 01:35:36,059 the stage. 1520 01:35:36,420 --> 01:35:37,290 You retracted. 1521 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:40,530 Good wardrobe. Thanks, ma'am. 1522 01:35:41,099 --> 01:35:44,789 Yeah, thank you, Jim. The the other one thing I've been 1523 01:35:44,819 --> 01:35:48,149 meaning to talk about is John Shijie. Soundbite Creator tool. 1524 01:35:48,929 --> 01:35:50,729 He open sourced Yes, 1525 01:35:50,730 --> 01:35:53,130 yes, yes. Yes. Tell me about this. 1526 01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:57,000 Yeah, it's pretty cool. So you can go through. And 1527 01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,280 sound biter? Yes. Sound biter? 1528 01:35:59,550 --> 01:36:03,000 Somebody? Yeah, it helps you create sound bites from your own 1529 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,150 episodes. So if you like self hosting, 1530 01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:12,810 is what we call a very modern UI. Yes. Yes. It's very flat. 1531 01:36:13,980 --> 01:36:15,180 Oh, excellent. 1532 01:36:15,839 --> 01:36:19,979 Yeah, that was pretty all those things that help people self 1533 01:36:19,979 --> 01:36:24,149 hosted self hosting is hard. for so many reasons. I mean, you 1534 01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:26,249 have to piece all this stuff together yourself. You don't get 1535 01:36:26,249 --> 01:36:30,059 the benefits of all the you know, the work that hosting now 1536 01:36:30,059 --> 01:36:31,139 has into this. He has 1537 01:36:31,139 --> 01:36:35,729 something interesting here. Sound biters name and then Oh, 1538 01:36:36,359 --> 01:36:39,569 is there a place for the sound? The person who was who did the 1539 01:36:39,569 --> 01:36:43,649 soundbite soundbite or as he calls it? Is there a place for 1540 01:36:43,649 --> 01:36:48,149 that person's node? Because he has little lightning thing here 1541 01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:49,409 and says no dress? 1542 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:52,860 I don't remember seeing that. 1543 01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:57,600 Is that part of the spec that you add into the soundbite that 1544 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,080 includes a like a lightning address. I liked the idea. 1545 01:37:01,740 --> 01:37:04,770 I like it too. I don't I'm not aware of that. The 1546 01:37:06,090 --> 01:37:11,820 I see what is he doing here? Select an episode. Wow. This is 1547 01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:16,020 this is quite good. I have to load the episode loading Nice. 1548 01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:22,410 Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Okay, so at the start time, right and then 1549 01:37:22,410 --> 01:37:25,800 move it over here. So at the end time duration test the sound 1550 01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:31,050 bite. Oh, man. That's so simple. Yeah, that's very sweet. It's in 1551 01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:34,620 the show notes. I had it there to talk about it. Very cool. 1552 01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:38,970 sound bite? No. Oh, I see what you're talking about. Yeah, now 1553 01:37:38,970 --> 01:37:42,990 I think that the note he's referring to is no Jas 1554 01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:47,400 No, no, no, no, no. If you're looking at this if you go to the 1555 01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,960 sound bites sound biter website whatever he has on his GitHub 1556 01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:57,750 yes unbelief underneath all the all the start time etc The sound 1557 01:37:57,750 --> 01:38:01,680 biters name which is you know default Jonny sound biter, then 1558 01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,260 the note address, which I presume is Johnny sound biters. 1559 01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:09,900 No dress. Well, I like it. I have no idea how it works, but I 1560 01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:12,750 love it. It's beautiful. 1561 01:38:13,230 --> 01:38:17,280 Yeah, he he worked on that for a long time. I don't want to 1562 01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:20,040 hear but I'm keeping this up. I'm gonna I'm gonna play with 1563 01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,530 this cool, man. Thank you. That's one of the this is the 1564 01:38:22,530 --> 01:38:27,420 kind of interface Adam gravitates toward. Okay. Simple. 1565 01:38:27,480 --> 01:38:27,960 Got it. 1566 01:38:29,310 --> 01:38:31,560 Another thing we need to talk about is the potential for 1567 01:38:31,650 --> 01:38:36,300 boosting. So Chris Fisher brought this up on in I want to 1568 01:38:36,300 --> 01:38:38,280 have him on the show. I think he's, I think there's a lot of 1569 01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:43,410 stuff we could talk about with him. He brought up boosting 1570 01:38:43,410 --> 01:38:52,050 private feeds. Because, like, what he said is so they have 1571 01:38:52,050 --> 01:38:54,030 paid so they have like a subscription thing where you can 1572 01:38:54,030 --> 01:38:56,490 become you get a private feed and all this stuff, and it 1573 01:38:56,490 --> 01:38:59,580 doesn't have ads in it like a lot of people do. And so he's 1574 01:38:59,580 --> 01:39:04,050 like, Well, I want to and he had some of his listeners, send him 1575 01:39:04,050 --> 01:39:07,860 a note and say I want to be able to boost the private I want to 1576 01:39:07,860 --> 01:39:12,720 be able to boost this feed. But he can't necessarily because the 1577 01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:18,930 feeds aren't aren't public. So he's not sure how to how to do 1578 01:39:18,930 --> 01:39:26,130 that. What the value is the value for value block included 1579 01:39:26,130 --> 01:39:30,090 in the private RSS feed? It's not because he's on I think his 1580 01:39:30,090 --> 01:39:34,110 stuff is hosted on fireside so there's no value blocking the 1581 01:39:34,110 --> 01:39:38,370 feed yet. So he was using the podcast index as the proxy for 1582 01:39:38,370 --> 01:39:39,930 the value to get the value block. 1583 01:39:41,130 --> 01:39:44,760 I can see a lot of people who want this type of functionality 1584 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:50,010 going to the first hosting company that provides it I think 1585 01:39:50,010 --> 01:39:51,090 that's the answer Dave 1586 01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,890 but well, you know and as a private well it's private so we 1587 01:39:58,230 --> 01:40:03,540 Yeah, but he's he's you thing, fireside, they're not private. 1588 01:40:03,630 --> 01:40:06,330 It can be hidden but it's not private. It's not like it 1589 01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,900 doesn't doesn't exist out there. You can if you know it, you can 1590 01:40:09,900 --> 01:40:12,810 subscribe to it. Right. That's how that private works. 1591 01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:17,610 Well, at some point the value block. No, not yet. 1592 01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:20,340 I mean, how else are we ingesting it? If it's if it's 1593 01:40:20,580 --> 01:40:24,090 unless it's a publicly accessed private yet publicly accessible, 1594 01:40:24,540 --> 01:40:26,790 we'll see we wouldn't be ingesting it. That's the thing 1595 01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:30,750 is it would have to be manually added in the podcast app. And 1596 01:40:30,750 --> 01:40:31,440 I'm sure that 1597 01:40:31,470 --> 01:40:34,890 it should be in the feed. He has a feed problem. I don't know if 1598 01:40:34,890 --> 01:40:39,330 we need to accommodate that. That's I mean, I can't I could 1599 01:40:39,330 --> 01:40:44,970 create a feed with curio caster. I mean, sovereign fees, face 1600 01:40:44,970 --> 01:40:49,350 sovereign fees and hosts that private and not have it 1601 01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:49,980 ingested. 1602 01:40:50,940 --> 01:40:53,460 I'll get him on the show and he can help and he can tell us what 1603 01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,770 he can tell. Yeah, we get him on the show. We talk about it. In 1604 01:40:58,770 --> 01:41:01,620 the moment. We'll brainstorm Oh, you know what I forgot to do or 1605 01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:03,840 monthlies prep. I just remember that. 1606 01:41:04,650 --> 01:41:06,660 Good. We eat. Yes, 1607 01:41:06,660 --> 01:41:11,040 we eat. Mark Graham $1 New Media. Little 1608 01:41:11,460 --> 01:41:12,540 we eat very little. 1609 01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:20,340 David meet us $10. Joseph maraca $5 Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy new 1610 01:41:20,340 --> 01:41:27,300 $5 Aaron Renaud $5 Lauren ball $24.20 pod verse $50 Christopher 1611 01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:31,770 hora, Barack $10 Mitch Downey $10. Thank you, Mitch. Terry 1612 01:41:31,770 --> 01:41:36,000 Keller $5. Store and this is two weeks worth. So we're in huger 1613 01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:40,680 Mahler $5 Alex gates, the podcasting 2.0 consultant. $25. 1614 01:41:40,710 --> 01:41:45,600 Thank you. Did you hear Alex on the Office Hours podcast? 1615 01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:48,750 No, no, I didn't even know he was doing it. Office hours. 1616 01:41:49,260 --> 01:41:51,840 That's one of Chris's podcasts. Yeah, go check it out as a 1617 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,500 really good interview. Chris Cowan he interviewed him about 1618 01:41:55,620 --> 01:41:59,640 no agenda tube and peer tube and everything. Cannabis Callen 1619 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,460 can't believe he didn't even text me and just say hey, I'm 1620 01:42:02,460 --> 01:42:03,210 doing the show. 1621 01:42:06,030 --> 01:42:07,230 He texted me he must not 1622 01:42:07,230 --> 01:42:10,350 I know. We know who hates me. Everyone hates me. 1623 01:42:11,730 --> 01:42:16,200 Jeffrey Rutherford. $5. Jeremy Cavanaugh $10 David Norman $25. 1624 01:42:17,370 --> 01:42:23,430 Damon Castle, Jack 15 Derek J. Vickery. Good name $21 Paul 1625 01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:30,720 Saltzman $22 $2.20. Jeremy Gertz $5. And Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5. 1626 01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:30,960 Thank 1627 01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,930 you all very, very much for supporting us once again. It's 1628 01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:37,980 so appreciated. It's the only way it works. What office hours. 1629 01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:40,980 Office hours is the name of the podcast? 1630 01:42:41,010 --> 01:42:43,860 Well, there's only 8000 office hours. 1631 01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,670 Let's Jupiter and do Office Hours Jupiter. Maybe it has the 1632 01:42:47,670 --> 01:42:53,280 Jupiter colors. It looks when was it? Oh, July. 1633 01:42:53,820 --> 01:42:58,200 It's now it's episode number seven. If that's announced 1634 01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:07,980 it's in the in the index. chimney. Okay, office. I'll keep 1635 01:43:07,980 --> 01:43:08,310 looking. 1636 01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,730 Yes. Number two is the second one on the list. Office hours by 1637 01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:12,360 Chris Fisher. 1638 01:43:13,650 --> 01:43:16,740 Oh, we'll see. That's what I was looking for office hours. Chris 1639 01:43:16,740 --> 01:43:21,750 Fisher got it. Episode Seven. Podcasting is back. Fisher FIS H 1640 01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:25,560 ER. Yeah. All right. Got it. Thank you 1641 01:43:29,310 --> 01:43:33,810 all right. What do you think you got anything else? Who me? Yeah, 1642 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,160 you got any you got anything? I think 1643 01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:37,350 you were you were the guys who have been having the meeting all 1644 01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:39,660 day and have all this stuff to talk about. See, this is what 1645 01:43:39,660 --> 01:43:41,460 happens now you're out of material 1646 01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:44,790 meeting and I've got plenty of material. I'm meeting involved 1647 01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:52,440 tacos. Basically the extent of the meeting. No, I think prices 1648 01:43:52,440 --> 01:43:53,580 you want you want to do it. Let's do a 1649 01:43:53,580 --> 01:43:56,400 couple. So you brought all kinds of clips. I appreciate that. 1650 01:43:56,460 --> 01:43:57,720 Yeah, you got money you got 1651 01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:01,800 oh, I've got I've got this before you do the ISOs. Listen, 1652 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:06,120 check this out. Do a BMW connected drive and I want to I 1653 01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:10,620 don't want you to imagine okay. Well go ahead and play and then 1654 01:44:10,620 --> 01:44:11,520 I'll explain what happened. 1655 01:44:12,570 --> 01:44:16,050 Did you know that it is now possible to equip your BMW with 1656 01:44:16,050 --> 01:44:19,530 additional features and functions over the years. Here 1657 01:44:19,530 --> 01:44:23,970 is an example the BMW high beam assistant. It switches to high 1658 01:44:23,970 --> 01:44:27,810 beam automatically press the button and you will see that you 1659 01:44:27,810 --> 01:44:32,910 can easily upgrade your BMW at the ConnectedDrive store. You 1660 01:44:32,910 --> 01:44:36,960 are able to order the high beam assistant within five minutes 1661 01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:44,730 your BMW will be upgraded the high beam assistant is just one 1662 01:44:44,730 --> 01:44:49,560 of many features that you can upgrade your BMW with. And there 1663 01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:50,490 are more to come 1664 01:44:54,930 --> 01:45:02,130 the the real upgrade you You, you can order through the 1665 01:45:02,130 --> 01:45:05,850 dashboard did a web store, you can order an upgrade, like 1666 01:45:05,850 --> 01:45:09,750 heated seats to your BMW and it will turn it on and we'll charge 1667 01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:13,530 you a monthly subscription of $18 a month for heated seats. 1668 01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:20,790 This is Tesla started this with the ridiculous pay more per 1669 01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:24,060 month and then will will give you the extra speed and 1670 01:45:24,060 --> 01:45:28,320 acceleration. So your car actually can go very fast, much 1671 01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:33,720 faster than then stock. But you have to subscribe to subscribe 1672 01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:41,880 to to pay for that. This is well I mean, I get excoriated for but 1673 01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,820 this is the great reset you will own nothing and you will like it 1674 01:45:44,820 --> 01:45:48,480 and you will not own your your seat warmer you won't own your 1675 01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:52,650 headlights. You know Tina, gotta own your headlights, whatever 1676 01:45:52,830 --> 01:45:59,490 Tina got. So Tina got so sick of the Apple iPhone music app 1677 01:45:59,490 --> 01:46:05,100 starting whenever she connected or blue Bluetooth connects. So 1678 01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:09,360 by the way, lots and lots of platforms have this thing, this 1679 01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,080 problem. So she just like to delete it, delete it off my 1680 01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,110 phone. And Apple's like Oh, you'll lose all your music, you 1681 01:46:16,110 --> 01:46:20,580 would never you don't proof you don't own your music you don't 1682 01:46:20,610 --> 01:46:26,670 own your books on on Amazon, they deleted 1984 Remember that? 1683 01:46:27,090 --> 01:46:28,950 How I remember the irony of that Kindle. 1684 01:46:29,100 --> 01:46:34,200 Now, I'll tell you I recently got a new car. And the reason I 1685 01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:38,370 got the new car is because they were the dealership kept calling 1686 01:46:38,370 --> 01:46:41,970 me for months. They started back in October last year, just for 1687 01:46:41,970 --> 01:46:46,260 months and months and months. I'm curry I'm gonna get you this 1688 01:46:46,260 --> 01:46:49,230 car. This is the one you want. It's like it's a sexier version 1689 01:46:49,230 --> 01:46:52,230 of that of the car you have. And because I've only had like a 1690 01:46:52,230 --> 01:46:56,520 three year old car like 15,000 miles on it. Something like that 1691 01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:02,160 very low. They offered a $5,000 less than I paid for the car 1692 01:47:02,250 --> 01:47:04,170 three years ago. So I'm like, Okay, 1693 01:47:04,380 --> 01:47:05,490 I don't mind. I'm like, let's 1694 01:47:05,490 --> 01:47:08,880 do this. And I'll say it's Mercedes. And by the way, it's 1695 01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:12,510 hilarious as you know, Dave, because I got a text from Dan 1696 01:47:12,510 --> 01:47:16,890 Benjamin who says, Hey, man, did you did you trade in your car? 1697 01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:22,020 Yes, Dan, Benjamin got my hand me down. And I still want to 1698 01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:24,720 know what he paid for it. I want to see I want to see the Marjo 1699 01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,310 story. It's a real stories 1700 01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:29,670 to me. You know, he texted me and he said, Hey, did Adam just 1701 01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:33,450 trade in a Mercedes? And I said, Well, I think he's got one but I 1702 01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:36,690 don't know if he traded it in I mean, no, I he didn't say 1703 01:47:36,690 --> 01:47:40,530 anything. And he was like, Seriously dude, this console I 1704 01:47:40,530 --> 01:47:43,350 pull up the screen and it has a device listed in the Devices 1705 01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:45,630 section says this is called pod father 1706 01:47:50,910 --> 01:47:56,040 did you trade in a Mercedes last week? What are the odds? What 1707 01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,460 are the buying Adams previous cars? 1708 01:48:00,060 --> 01:48:02,700 Beautiful story, Dan, I want to know how much you paid for it. 1709 01:48:02,730 --> 01:48:04,950 Because you know, interesting probably 1710 01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:06,990 don't you probably don't want to you could have sold it to him 1711 01:48:06,990 --> 01:48:07,710 directly and maybe 1712 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,070 I would have sold it to him for the price. They were gonna give 1713 01:48:11,070 --> 01:48:14,040 it to me for it. I mean, we could have cut those guys out of 1714 01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,620 the deal. And that's not fair because I'd like the car dealer 1715 01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:20,190 who really stuck with now the point is, so the new Mercedes 1716 01:48:20,190 --> 01:48:28,050 has the new MBU x yeah. Mercedes Benz user experience. No God. 1717 01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:33,840 Now I decided even with the last car I had, that I was in, you 1718 01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:38,940 know, I'm off the grid. I've got pie holes. I use graphene OS 1719 01:48:39,810 --> 01:48:43,830 everything I can do to protect myself to some degree of run my 1720 01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:46,530 own mail servers everything I tried to protect myself. So the 1721 01:48:46,530 --> 01:48:50,670 car, I'm just gonna let it go. Because I learned three years 1722 01:48:50,670 --> 01:48:56,700 ago. No, you can't turn off the cell phone unit that basically 1723 01:48:56,700 --> 01:49:00,630 communicates with Mercedes Benz all the time. You can't buy it 1724 01:49:00,630 --> 01:49:03,720 that way. They won't do it. They won't disable it. You know, it 1725 01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,170 may not even be that easy to say, Okay, I give up on it. I 1726 01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:15,270 won't connect my phone. The MBU X is mind blowing. It really is 1727 01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:19,950 especially it has tune in integrated, so you can listen to 1728 01:49:19,950 --> 01:49:23,370 stations around the world, the whole thing is great. But in 1729 01:49:23,370 --> 01:49:27,240 order to register your car, are you ready for it? And you 1730 01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:31,860 register my car. So I had to get the old iPhone six because of 1731 01:49:31,860 --> 01:49:36,030 course Mercedes Benz ABS not only do I not know if it will 1732 01:49:36,030 --> 01:49:40,440 run it's not going to run on my phone. And you know and so it 1733 01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,590 gets the benefit as you can see what's going on with the car and 1734 01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:49,230 you can start it remotely woohoo. This kind of stuff but 1735 01:49:49,740 --> 01:49:53,070 it also shows the location of the car. And I'm like well 1736 01:49:53,070 --> 01:49:56,670 that's interesting. And this very nice lady because you know 1737 01:49:56,670 --> 01:50:00,510 you call it basically you get in the car and and You press a 1738 01:50:00,510 --> 01:50:03,660 button Mercedes goes, Hi, welcome. Welcome to your new 1739 01:50:03,660 --> 01:50:07,800 car. Let's get you set up as a real person. So um, it's a real 1740 01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:11,760 it's a nice to live first life. Oh yeah. And we started out 1741 01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:15,720 giving your VIN number. And so I do my Victor Indian November 1742 01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:20,220 Tango fi fi. And then she reads it back. And I'm like, holy 1743 01:50:20,220 --> 01:50:23,220 crap. I said, Were you in aviation? Just yeah, helicopter. 1744 01:50:23,370 --> 01:50:26,610 I said, okay, because I heard that read back. I'm like, you've 1745 01:50:26,610 --> 01:50:30,240 got the voice. You've got the tone. So now, now we're talking. 1746 01:50:30,270 --> 01:50:34,830 Now we're friends. If I'm chatting then and I'd said, you 1747 01:50:34,830 --> 01:50:36,960 know, this is you know, I hate the tracking says, you know, 1748 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:41,490 it's really interesting. to 50% of the calls I get are from 1749 01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:45,870 husbands or wives sometimes both independently who say, is there 1750 01:50:45,870 --> 01:50:49,290 a way that you can turn that off? So my husband can't see 1751 01:50:49,290 --> 01:50:55,020 where I am? Yeah, and they don't they don't have a way for that. 1752 01:50:55,020 --> 01:50:57,870 And so this is the world we're going into. I'm sorry. Once 1753 01:50:57,870 --> 01:51:00,300 again, I broke the positive rule of the board meeting. 1754 01:51:00,990 --> 01:51:03,930 Yeah, that's okay. Let me you know, you know, my fix for this. 1755 01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:04,500 I mean, you know, what 1756 01:51:04,500 --> 01:51:07,440 metrics are you driving your truck to Podcast Movement? 1757 01:51:08,130 --> 01:51:11,610 I drove. Oh, God, no. Oh, okay. This 1758 01:51:11,610 --> 01:51:12,750 is where it breaks down. 1759 01:51:13,650 --> 01:51:18,330 No, no, I did draw. No, I did drive to Jacksonville. To the 1760 01:51:18,330 --> 01:51:24,630 bus brown with a truck ship with my son's 94 F 150. Oh, nice. I 1761 01:51:25,260 --> 01:51:30,270 so my my fix for this whole conundrum is 65 Ford, is what I 1762 01:51:30,270 --> 01:51:35,100 drive. My wife drives a 67 Ford, and my son drives and 94 the 1763 01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:40,110 newest car we have is a 2012. So I'm stuck. I'm never I'm never 1764 01:51:40,110 --> 01:51:44,580 going beyond 2012 Well, ever. It's really I will I will I will 1765 01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:50,190 literally ride I will create an apple cart. And an apple crate 1766 01:51:50,190 --> 01:51:53,190 cart before I will drive a modern car that can track 1767 01:51:53,190 --> 01:51:53,760 everything I do. 1768 01:51:53,970 --> 01:51:56,520 Well, I'm glad that you're not going to be driving up to 1769 01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,220 podcast move with me because you would hate the testicle 1770 01:51:59,220 --> 01:52:02,190 massager. It's just you would not like it at all. 1771 01:52:02,430 --> 01:52:03,840 How would you pay per month for that? 1772 01:52:06,090 --> 01:52:07,260 Doesn't matter it's worth it. 1773 01:52:09,210 --> 01:52:12,240 Give me Give me the ISO. Wow. Oh, I'm 1774 01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:16,860 sorry. We were we were I was so engrossed with our car stories 1775 01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:21,780 here. Wow. Wow, I liked that one. That's pretty good. 1776 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,910 I'm gonna try the other one. 1777 01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:26,520 It was a crazy day in a crazy week. 1778 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,870 Yeah, crazy day in a crazy week is what we got from rule fi. 1779 01:52:31,710 --> 01:52:35,790 Roth. Yes. Yes, we listen to this, this is end of show makes. 1780 01:52:35,940 --> 01:52:38,610 I don't think we can play the whole thing. I do want to sample 1781 01:52:38,610 --> 01:52:41,700 it a bit. Because it's, here we go. 1782 01:52:47,970 --> 01:52:53,370 doesn't really have a lot of lyrics. But it does kind of get 1783 01:52:53,370 --> 01:52:56,010 funky around here. And this is where it kind of starts to kick 1784 01:52:56,010 --> 01:53:00,450 in and you're starting to get the idea. Oh, yeah, I know. I'm 1785 01:53:00,450 --> 01:53:02,460 going to take it up a notch. I'm going to fast forward just a 1786 01:53:02,460 --> 01:53:07,140 little bit into this part. This is where we get wild Dave. 1787 01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:14,340 Ladies and gentlemen, Dave Jones on the synthesizer pitch podcast 1788 01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:24,240 I added those. That's cool. roofie. Thank you. I want to put 1789 01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:30,690 that I'll put it in. I'll put in the show notes. If he's, yep. 1790 01:53:32,190 --> 01:53:32,790 Show 1791 01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:34,170 I got more stuff we can 1792 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,440 We Should we just do one more. One. I'd love to hear one more 1793 01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:40,890 of your stuff. And then yeah, for a couple minutes. And then 1794 01:53:40,890 --> 01:53:42,750 before we call it a day. 1795 01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,180 Yeah. Tom's got a bail. 1796 01:53:46,260 --> 01:53:48,570 Thanks for having me. Oh, Tom. Man, thank you so much. Thank 1797 01:53:48,570 --> 01:53:51,180 you for taking care of my partner there. Thank you for 1798 01:53:51,180 --> 01:53:54,720 getting him up and running on the show. And thank you as 1799 01:53:54,750 --> 01:53:59,760 always me beer. Oh, that's what it was. Thank you for always 1800 01:53:59,970 --> 01:54:02,790 being transparent and fun and really nice. And you're going to 1801 01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:04,140 be at Podcast Movement, right? 1802 01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:07,680 Yeah. Yeah. Looking forward to get together in person beers on 1803 01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,540 me. Sounds good 1804 01:54:09,570 --> 01:54:17,370 folks. show guys. Thanks, Tom. Now that we're alone, does he 1805 01:54:17,370 --> 01:54:20,430 really say all this good in person as it looks like? 1806 01:54:20,850 --> 01:54:24,480 Yes. Now that now that we're alone, we can talk about the 1807 01:54:24,750 --> 01:54:28,050 law, the social interact tag and how it was formalized this 1808 01:54:28,050 --> 01:54:28,440 morning. 1809 01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:31,770 Yes. Fantastic. I love that. Yes. 1810 01:54:32,519 --> 01:54:35,579 Yeah. It's it's done is baked. It's ready to go. 1811 01:54:35,610 --> 01:54:39,330 So this is which implementation that's the one that we're using 1812 01:54:39,330 --> 01:54:40,680 social interact tag. 1813 01:54:41,850 --> 01:54:48,660 Yeah. And so, this is this is for you know, there was there 1814 01:54:48,660 --> 01:54:51,390 was back and forth about this, whether whether this was meant 1815 01:54:51,390 --> 01:54:59,430 for like social and commenting or whether this was for chat, or 1816 01:54:59,430 --> 01:55:02,280 both. Right, like all of 1817 01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,700 which for me is just a comment thread. That's how I view it. 1818 01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:10,500 That's how I tag it on on the social when I link it in, 1819 01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:15,210 right. And I think that's really where where it kind of landed 1820 01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:19,980 is. We could have put chat into this but at this point, I think 1821 01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:22,440 I think it just makes more sense to have it as a separate tag. 1822 01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:25,650 I'm agreement want to reference the chat. Yeah, or a separate 1823 01:55:25,650 --> 01:55:28,980 attribute on the live item tag or something like that. So this 1824 01:55:29,010 --> 01:55:33,810 is this is really but what this thing could do, and I I guess I 1825 01:55:33,810 --> 01:55:36,150 should just go over it real quick. Let me pull it up. 1826 01:55:36,150 --> 01:55:39,600 Hey, I'm sorry. Just to we didn't hit the delimiter on the 1827 01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:41,250 booster gram. Something went wrong. 1828 01:55:42,450 --> 01:55:45,660 Oh, crap. You're right. And I know 1829 01:55:45,660 --> 01:55:49,890 this because comics, your blogger just boosted 1533 saying 1830 01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:53,790 you've forgotten to read my posts that Graham did he 1831 01:55:53,790 --> 01:55:59,220 for real? Yes. But yeah, yeah. No, no, it's still up. But this 1832 01:55:59,220 --> 01:56:02,490 is a great way to get an extra 15,000 says Good work. Good 1833 01:56:02,490 --> 01:56:08,070 work. Bam. Hit it. All right. Come on. Yes. Call Mr. Bulger. 1834 01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:12,060 15,033 says I had I had skipped over it so it could put him as a 1835 01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:15,390 delimiter and forgot to go back to oh, well discombobulated in 1836 01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:16,380 this in this new 1837 01:56:16,410 --> 01:56:19,620 Yes, podcast booth. This new environment for you. I 1838 01:56:19,620 --> 01:56:20,220 understand. 1839 01:56:20,670 --> 01:56:23,640 I'm used to being locked in a small closet while I do the show 1840 01:56:24,690 --> 01:56:30,120 with you. Let me introduce you to my students 1841 01:56:30,990 --> 01:56:32,220 in this closet. 1842 01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:37,560 How do you David Adam, do you know that by 2045 AI is expected 1843 01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:41,580 to completely surpass human intelligence? Yeah, sure. Yeah. 1844 01:56:41,610 --> 01:56:45,720 Anyways, please enter in web browser or any podcast app AI 1845 01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:48,930 dot cooking, to listen to silky voice of Gregory William 1846 01:56:48,930 --> 01:56:52,740 Forsythe Foreman from Kent and UK talking about AI news. Yo, 1847 01:56:52,830 --> 01:56:55,560 show comics that blogger sorry about that, man. Thank you for 1848 01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,540 reminding us. Yes, spot on. Sorry. 1849 01:56:59,190 --> 01:57:01,290 That only really works once right? I can't do that again 1850 01:57:01,290 --> 01:57:01,650 next week. 1851 01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:04,589 Oh, no. You can continuously do it. It's fantastic. That what 1852 01:57:04,589 --> 01:57:09,479 really works if you break people like you're no good. They'll 1853 01:57:09,509 --> 01:57:11,429 they'll boost you back with nests. I am. 1854 01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,930 It's like, it's like a cat. They love being abused. Oh, how 1855 01:57:15,930 --> 01:57:16,710 is your capital? are 1856 01:57:16,710 --> 01:57:18,720 you abusing them? Where they love them where they love you? 1857 01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:22,200 No, we really did. We had we actually had to get rid of them 1858 01:57:22,230 --> 01:57:24,690 had. We had to turn it into an outside get. 1859 01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:27,450 Oh, so it's still hanging around? Still your cat just 1860 01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:28,380 outdoors? 1861 01:57:29,009 --> 01:57:32,159 Yeah, it was hanging around for a few days. And I haven't seen 1862 01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:38,489 in a while. Continuously barfed all over the house. It has 1863 01:57:38,489 --> 01:57:41,189 something medically wrong with it. Yeah. And I really don't 1864 01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:45,959 your dog was not happy. No, the dog hated this cat. Yeah. That's 1865 01:57:45,959 --> 01:57:46,889 a dog loves cats. 1866 01:57:46,980 --> 01:57:49,080 I'm sorry. That's too bad. So I will 1867 01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:57,060 pick up another. The, okay, where's this thing? Podcast, the 1868 01:57:57,060 --> 01:58:02,550 social interact, there we go. socially interact. Okay, so I'll 1869 01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:06,540 just I'll just go over it real quick for people who need the 1870 01:58:06,540 --> 01:58:10,440 refresher. It's a social interact tag allows a podcaster 1871 01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:14,040 to attach the URL of a root post of a comment thread to an 1872 01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:19,350 episode. So basically, you're referencing a URL, or URI, 1873 01:58:19,830 --> 01:58:26,220 excuse me URI that points to a place where a thread of comments 1874 01:58:26,220 --> 01:58:30,930 or a discussion is going to happen. That's that thread can 1875 01:58:30,930 --> 01:58:35,010 either can be multiple different protocols, it can use activity 1876 01:58:35,010 --> 01:58:40,020 pub, Twitter, right in a lightning comments, you know, if 1877 01:58:40,020 --> 01:58:45,090 you're interacting with the fountain protocol. And that's 1878 01:58:45,090 --> 01:58:49,020 it. It's pretty simple. There's a couple of other attributes 1879 01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:51,480 that can be tacked on to that. But that's all that's required 1880 01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,540 is just the protocol in the URL. 1881 01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:58,410 Right. So this is this is not cross app comments by any 1882 01:58:58,410 --> 01:59:04,470 stretch of the imagination it is. Would that? Oh, it is? 1883 01:59:05,550 --> 01:59:09,390 Yeah, yeah. So Well, the idea here is the reason is cross as 1884 01:59:09,540 --> 01:59:12,690 it's the reason it's cross app comments is because when you 1885 01:59:12,690 --> 01:59:13,530 reference the 1886 01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:16,380 Oh, right, right, you bring it in? Yes. Okay. I understand. 1887 01:59:16,410 --> 01:59:19,800 Yeah. Yeah. You can bring the posting into that, right. But 1888 01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:24,750 posting is not is not necessarily automatic. Without 1889 01:59:24,750 --> 01:59:27,690 you having an account on whatever social interact 1890 01:59:27,690 --> 01:59:29,010 platform is designated. 1891 01:59:29,670 --> 01:59:34,350 Yeah, right. Yeah. So you could, for instance, if it was activity 1892 01:59:34,350 --> 01:59:42,000 pub, and you post a route in the URI you post is from it points 1893 01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,690 to a mastodon server post on a mastodon server. If the app 1894 01:59:45,690 --> 01:59:49,440 itself knows how to speak activity pub, it could you can 1895 01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:52,440 do all your interaction through the podcast app got it, but you 1896 01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:55,200 don't have to you could just pull the content down and show 1897 01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:58,710 the thread if you wanted to, or got it cool web you with you or 1898 01:59:58,710 --> 02:00:01,560 something like that. Same with Twitter. You know, Twitter has 1899 02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:04,470 an API. If you want to do deep integration, you can do it. But 1900 02:00:04,470 --> 02:00:06,150 otherwise you can just congratulations 1901 02:00:06,150 --> 02:00:11,640 on your new new new baby. Oh, which tag numbers this? How many 1902 02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:14,460 do we have now? 1717. 1903 02:00:14,610 --> 02:00:16,530 These wonderful 17. Beautiful. 1904 02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,520 So the, the name, the other part of this is the namespace, Phase 1905 02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:27,030 Five is closed. As of today, now we're social interact was 1906 02:00:27,030 --> 02:00:30,300 already good to go. We knew that thing was pretty much fully 1907 02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:36,060 baked. The there's a couple more tags in Phase Five, the block 1908 02:00:36,060 --> 02:00:42,270 tag, we're still going back and forth. A little bit with Prof 1909 02:00:42,270 --> 02:00:44,250 magic fingers. Oh, yeah. 1910 02:00:44,820 --> 02:00:47,940 He's from France. Is he not? Yes. Right. Yeah. 1911 02:00:48,030 --> 02:00:50,550 Still going back and forth a little bit with him too. Because 1912 02:00:50,550 --> 02:00:55,050 he he's, he's struggling a little bit with whether or not 1913 02:00:55,050 --> 02:00:58,140 he feels like the blog tag is working the way what 1914 02:00:58,140 --> 02:01:00,900 is he? What's his service app system? 1915 02:01:03,570 --> 02:01:06,510 To? Why did you ask me that? 1916 02:01:07,890 --> 02:01:09,180 Because I'm your friend. 1917 02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:14,400 Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, friend. Let's see now I'm gonna 1918 02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:16,710 to run to their recording find him? 1919 02:01:17,820 --> 02:01:22,140 Because he's been commenting on the GitHub for a long time. 1920 02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:27,900 Yeah, he's, he's a big morning. Yes, smart dude, clearly part of 1921 02:01:27,900 --> 02:01:33,630 a podcast host. So he, I take his input very seriously. And I 1922 02:01:33,630 --> 02:01:34,500 don't want to move 1923 02:01:34,620 --> 02:01:35,820 as a podcast host. 1924 02:01:35,849 --> 02:01:39,509 Okay. hosting company. I don't want to move forward with this 1925 02:01:39,509 --> 02:01:44,489 without him saying that he feels comfortable with it. As though 1926 02:01:44,489 --> 02:01:47,219 we may, we may have to push it to six on I don't know. But 1927 02:01:47,219 --> 02:01:54,299 we'll see. We'll see that his main beef with the block tag is 1928 02:01:54,299 --> 02:01:58,139 he doesn't like the inversion. So the way it was was, like 1929 02:01:58,139 --> 02:02:02,429 block, the way it's currently written is, is block everything. 1930 02:02:03,059 --> 02:02:08,249 And then show a list of exclusions. So like, you can say 1931 02:02:08,249 --> 02:02:12,389 podcast blog. Yes. Means blog, means I don't want to be listed 1932 02:02:12,389 --> 02:02:14,459 anywhere. So that might be something like a private feed. 1933 02:02:15,509 --> 02:02:20,129 Podcast blog, no means I don't want any anybody to blog. And 1934 02:02:20,129 --> 02:02:23,519 that's the same as just not having the tag at all. So then 1935 02:02:23,519 --> 02:02:26,909 you can then there's podcasts block? Yes. Which means blocks 1936 02:02:26,909 --> 02:02:29,789 everything and then there's an exclude. Right? So 1937 02:02:29,790 --> 02:02:32,970 he would prefer to be podcast block and the list of those you 1938 02:02:32,970 --> 02:02:35,130 want to block instead of the inverse. 1939 02:02:35,550 --> 02:02:38,910 Right? Yeah. And so I can understand. I mean, it makes 1940 02:02:38,910 --> 02:02:42,270 sense. Yeah. But I think we're kind of working on a compromise 1941 02:02:42,270 --> 02:02:48,810 here. Because what I want this tag to be is a direct drop in 1942 02:02:48,810 --> 02:02:52,410 replacement for the iTunes block tag at its base level. And in 1943 02:02:52,410 --> 02:02:53,610 order to do that, you have to 1944 02:02:53,610 --> 02:02:57,690 have the inversion I gotcha. Yep, yep. Yeah. Okay, well, I 1945 02:02:57,690 --> 02:03:01,350 approve working with your of your version. 1946 02:03:01,890 --> 02:03:06,210 Thank you very much. Yeah, that's so we're we're good. I 1947 02:03:06,210 --> 02:03:11,970 mean, the plot Phase Five will be you know, we'll try to finish 1948 02:03:11,970 --> 02:03:15,060 that up. See what what else we can put into it? Maybe not maybe 1949 02:03:15,060 --> 02:03:19,650 nothing. Social interact was big enough. And we may just open up 1950 02:03:19,650 --> 02:03:20,850 phase six and go forward. 1951 02:03:21,420 --> 02:03:25,410 Phase six brother. We haven't even hit two years. We're almost 1952 02:03:25,410 --> 02:03:28,740 at two years, I think, aren't we? Yeah, I think in August 1953 02:03:28,740 --> 02:03:32,280 because we're I will all Yeah, cuz we have episode. I guess, 1954 02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:36,330 technically episode 100 or 101. Do we ever we missed two. So the 1955 02:03:36,330 --> 02:03:39,060 episode one, something like that. Hey, we got episode 100 1956 02:03:39,060 --> 02:03:42,870 Coming up everybody. That means you know what that means? That 1957 02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:45,300 means you have to boost 100,000 Satoshis. 1958 02:03:46,050 --> 02:03:48,450 Yes, right. Yes. That's how it works. 1959 02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:53,580 These know you deserve it. You'll see that these numbers 1960 02:03:53,580 --> 02:03:56,250 are really important in the value for value model. I mean, 1961 02:03:56,250 --> 02:03:59,520 we already know that. When you reach milestones, people like to 1962 02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:03,390 celebrate that. I'm excited. Yeah, me too. Alright, Dave, we 1963 02:04:03,450 --> 02:04:04,680 are heading back home tomorrow. 1964 02:04:05,820 --> 02:04:08,850 Yeah, I'm spending night tonight and hotel now heading back the 1965 02:04:08,850 --> 02:04:11,910 hotel by the way. Not a great experience. Oh, which hotel 1966 02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:12,510 was this? 1967 02:04:14,850 --> 02:04:15,780 Is the 1968 02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:20,130 bus proud to put you in a shit hotel? I can't pay for this. I'm 1969 02:04:20,130 --> 02:04:22,950 just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. 1970 02:04:24,420 --> 02:04:25,830 Clear. Claritin. 1971 02:04:26,220 --> 02:04:30,300 Claritin. It's like the Sheraton but not really is the Claritin. 1972 02:04:31,980 --> 02:04:37,620 Not the Hilton. It's the built in Yeah, you'll love it. It 1973 02:04:37,620 --> 02:04:38,190 doesn't say 1974 02:04:38,190 --> 02:04:41,190 a word you love. Orange do 1975 02:04:42,810 --> 02:04:51,000 does it say anywhere. No train noise or, or every room of Mini 1976 02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:54,450 Suites doesn't say that. Because I've stayed at all those. 1977 02:04:55,950 --> 02:05:00,000 None of that. It like I was just completely under renovation. 1978 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,420 There's just hanging up everywhere is so bad. So bad 1979 02:05:06,450 --> 02:05:09,420 I know what this feels like. Alright brother 1980 02:05:09,450 --> 02:05:12,540 well Oh no, I'm sorry the Courtyard by Marriott I don't 1981 02:05:12,540 --> 02:05:12,780 know where 1982 02:05:12,839 --> 02:05:17,129 okay yeah that's kind of every room a Mini Suite okay yes the 1983 02:05:17,129 --> 02:05:21,539 courtyard comes with vision yeah it's it's it's the sales 1984 02:05:21,569 --> 02:05:23,759 salesman's hotel I've stayed in many of them 1985 02:05:24,179 --> 02:05:27,479 many declared the this so the the next 1986 02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:30,210 thing I'd like to actually not that bad you can kind of get a 1987 02:05:30,210 --> 02:05:32,550 vibe off them but not if it's under construction then it's 1988 02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:33,450 then it's a pit 1989 02:05:34,500 --> 02:05:37,200 Oh is definitely the best thing about this they have Starbucks 1990 02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:39,630 in the lobby that's that's the only thing that's decent about 1991 02:05:39,630 --> 02:05:42,750 this hotel so stay avoid the Courtyard Marriott in 1992 02:05:42,750 --> 02:05:44,970 Jacksonville for the next three months until they finished 1993 02:05:44,970 --> 02:05:45,510 renovations 1994 02:05:45,540 --> 02:05:49,080 instead make sure you boost podcasting 2.0 you help out the 1995 02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:54,300 entire ecosystem. Dave, my brother, thank you so much. Glad 1996 02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:55,740 you were able to check in that's cool. 1997 02:05:56,400 --> 02:06:01,320 Yeah, man. Yeah. Appreciate Buzzsprout hanging it invited me 1998 02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,470 down and do a beer and some lunch and it was fun. 1999 02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:07,710 Yeah, and nice. Nice to have Tom on the show as well. And that's 2000 02:06:07,740 --> 02:06:10,560 nice. They want to thank you for your hospitality boys and girls 2001 02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:13,410 and Buzzsprout Alright, everybody in the chat room. 2002 02:06:13,530 --> 02:06:16,470 Thank you very much for attending the board meeting once 2003 02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:19,860 again. We will return next Friday. 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