Episode 93: Motion of Positivity

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,360Oh, podcasting 2.0 for July15 2020, to Episode 93 motion of200:00:06,360 --> 00:00:14,430positivity. Hey, now, we'reback. Did you miss us QQ Fridays300:00:14,430 --> 00:00:17,520and once again for the boardmeeting of podcasting 2.0400:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,290Everything happening at podcastindex.org with the podcast500:00:22,290 --> 00:00:26,220standards namespace and ofcourse, what's really happening600:00:26,220 --> 00:00:28,890in podcasting takes that socialif you're not that yourself,700:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,860even if you are, I'm Adam curryhere in the heart of the Texas800:00:31,860 --> 00:00:34,800Hill Country and not fromAlabama, because you can call900:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,830him the Florida man, my friendon the other end, ladies and1000:00:37,830 --> 00:00:40,260gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.1100:00:41,910 --> 00:00:46,650I am I'm on I'm on location.Yeah, to get to yes. We just1200:00:46,650 --> 00:00:48,180need a hurricane that would makeit better1300:00:48,180 --> 00:00:51,510get the hurricane sounds youknow, we had a we had hurricane1400:00:51,510 --> 00:00:56,700winds here the other day. InTexas. Yeah, we there was shit1500:00:56,700 --> 00:01:01,020flying flying around the house.A tree came down block the1600:01:01,020 --> 00:01:03,510driveway. It was reallyexciting.1700:01:04,320 --> 00:01:08,370Holy cow. Yeah. Is is life andproperty. Okay.1800:01:08,550 --> 00:01:11,100Now life and property is okay.But I was you know, I was just1900:01:11,100 --> 00:01:14,040doing the post production withDevorah co no agenda and Tina2000:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,820comes in because she was homefrom work. And she has his look2100:01:17,820 --> 00:01:21,240on her face. Like, she's finearound trees down. I couldn't2200:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,510get the car through. And youleft the meat out?2300:01:25,080 --> 00:01:25,920To me. Yeah.2400:01:26,220 --> 00:01:31,050Supposed to put it in the fridgeand defrost. So that of course2500:01:31,050 --> 00:01:33,360was the real problem is I leftthe meat out.2600:01:34,140 --> 00:01:37,440I've got this. Okay, so I've gota great, I've got a great story2700:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,160about meat.2800:01:38,850 --> 00:01:41,940Yeah, you know what the manyrelationship has started that2900:01:41,940 --> 00:01:45,060way. But they were this story.Pay Attention everybody.3000:01:46,350 --> 00:01:52,800So a buddy of mine was like Idid like amateur amateur3100:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,460filmmaking when Yeah, when hewas young. So one time when he3200:01:56,460 --> 00:02:00,360was a teenager. He they'remaking, they're making like a3300:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,020film like a slasher film. And sothey needed they're gonna do3400:02:04,020 --> 00:02:09,240this scene where you had to havewhere this the slasher was going3500:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,060to come out of the die jump outof the woods. And you and take a3600:02:12,060 --> 00:02:16,890weedeater enlightened ran theweed eater into the chest of of,3700:02:17,820 --> 00:02:21,750of the purse of the love thatyeah, that's perfect. And then3800:02:21,750 --> 00:02:27,540bloods gonna go out everywhere.Yeah. So they needed like, a ton3900:02:27,540 --> 00:02:31,470of fake blood is what he what hefound out was like, if you put4000:02:31,980 --> 00:02:36,240somehow if you put gasoline inthe fake blood, then it would,4100:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,560it would like thin it out to theright consistency where it would4200:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,640fly. Anyway, somehow4300:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,010I already have a bad feelingabout this story with the4400:02:44,010 --> 00:02:45,030gasoline engine.4500:02:46,170 --> 00:02:49,680So what could go wrong? Theymade up all this fake blood and4600:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,130then put put the gasoline in itlike just a little bit of4700:02:53,130 --> 00:02:56,700gasoline. And then they had tokeep it refrigerated in order to4800:02:56,700 --> 00:02:59,400keep it from like sport, likespoiling because they had to4900:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,440make it with something I don'tknow, ketchup or something.5000:03:01,920 --> 00:03:06,480sticks it in the fridge. Andthis is the sticks it in the5100:03:06,480 --> 00:03:12,090same refrigerator that his dadhad just bought, like, like $7005200:03:12,090 --> 00:03:17,970of meat. And so within 24 hours,all the meats and meat smelled5300:03:17,970 --> 00:03:23,550like tastes like gasoline. No.Like yeah, it was like he had to5400:03:23,550 --> 00:03:26,730like run away, you know, fromgetting beat to death.5500:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,500So a couple of things. One,there's some kind of low hum5600:03:31,500 --> 00:03:36,000going on on your end becauseyeah, I don't know. We don't5700:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,800have to figure out it's just Ican just hear maybe y'all if5800:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,810there's areas and that's it. AndI hear someone in the background5900:03:45,810 --> 00:03:48,270just like some kind of intruderin the boardroom and it's just6000:03:48,270 --> 00:03:51,000like just the third voice on theshow. What's going on. Where are6100:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,410you Dave Jones? What'shappening?6200:03:53,010 --> 00:03:57,060I'm in Jacksonville, Florida atthe Buzzsprout mothership. The6300:03:57,060 --> 00:03:57,780headquarters6400:03:57,810 --> 00:04:02,010Oh, hey. Yes. How does Tom lookin person as easy? As cute as I6500:04:02,010 --> 00:04:02,640remember him?6600:04:03,090 --> 00:04:06,840No much cuter, much moreattractive than the photos.6700:04:07,590 --> 00:04:11,430Thank you, Tom. How are you man?Good. How are you?6800:04:11,490 --> 00:04:14,520I'm real good. It's actuallykind of fortuitous that you're6900:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,980on the show with this. I'msorry, in the boardroom with us7000:04:16,980 --> 00:04:22,020today. Since there's been a kindof a hosting company like story7100:04:22,020 --> 00:04:28,290out there. Ooh. Ooh,7200:04:28,350 --> 00:04:29,940I like it. I like it.7300:04:30,990 --> 00:04:35,190I don't know. I don't thinkthere's a kerfuffle i I've7400:04:35,190 --> 00:04:37,110learned a lot of interestinginformation.7500:04:38,010 --> 00:04:40,860Like what what have you Whathave you learned? What are you7600:04:40,860 --> 00:04:41,310learning?7700:04:41,430 --> 00:04:46,830Well, I learned that the dudewho set up anchor really didn't7800:04:46,830 --> 00:04:50,730know what podcasting 2.0 wasreally didn't really had no7900:04:50,730 --> 00:04:58,440education. And so the learningwas this curry, you idiot. Don't8000:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,200you remember what Silicon Valleyis? like everyone's doing other8100:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,290things, and they're not, they'renot paying attention to the8200:05:04,290 --> 00:05:07,470industry. They're the shit.They're going to do what they8300:05:07,470 --> 00:05:10,980got to do. And when some, that'show you miss stuff. And this is8400:05:10,980 --> 00:05:15,180as old as silica as big tech iswhen big tech was little tech.8500:05:15,930 --> 00:05:17,070It's just what happens.8600:05:18,120 --> 00:05:25,680I've got this. I don't thinkthat he didn't know what8700:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,400podcasting to8800:05:26,730 --> 00:05:32,160know, Dave yet. He had no ideawhat what we've been doing. No,8900:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,610I didn't know. I mean, if all ofall the things and that's fine.9000:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,530I'm not blaming him for9100:05:37,530 --> 00:05:41,400it. We were talking about thisearlier, Dave and I were just9200:05:41,850 --> 00:05:42,450talking about9300:05:42,450 --> 00:05:45,330like, this is Oh, wait a minute.You've had you've had a board9400:05:45,330 --> 00:05:46,650meeting before the boardmeeting?9500:05:46,650 --> 00:05:50,280No, no, no, no, definitely,definitely not. Not a board9600:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,080meeting. But we were justreminiscing because Dave, and9700:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,940I've, you know, been in thetechnology space for a long9800:05:53,940 --> 00:05:57,480time. But like, like the olddays of CompuServe and AOL. And,9900:05:57,780 --> 00:06:00,090you know, remember when theywere trying to do the same kind10000:06:00,090 --> 00:06:02,910of thing where they didn't wantthe web because the web, you10100:06:02,910 --> 00:06:05,970could just get to it fromanywhere except one exclusive10200:06:05,970 --> 00:06:09,420content that you could only geton AOL. And they were trying to10300:06:09,540 --> 00:06:11,460build like their own ability.10400:06:11,790 --> 00:06:15,240Not even that, Tom, it wasdangerous on that web. You don't10500:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,930want to go there. You want tostay away. Dave is dangerous.10600:06:19,380 --> 00:06:22,110Do not stay in our playground.It's so much safer.10700:06:22,230 --> 00:06:27,330And I think there were sincere.That was that was truly AOL is10800:06:27,330 --> 00:06:29,880kind of mission. I mean, therewas you could get lots of you10900:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,060can get into some trouble onthose. On those message boards11000:06:33,060 --> 00:06:39,450on AOL. Yeah. But then peoplekept kept demanding for the for11100:06:39,450 --> 00:06:41,940the cool stuff for the day.People always want the dangerous11200:06:41,940 --> 00:06:45,420stuff. They always do it for alarge enough section does11300:06:46,140 --> 00:06:49,290for it to innovate and getbetter. It has to it has to11400:06:49,290 --> 00:06:50,430break out. And11500:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,700we should probably we shouldprobably tell people what we're11600:06:53,700 --> 00:06:56,160talking about. I don't know. Idon't know if everybody knows11700:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,540exactly what we're talkingabout.11800:06:58,770 --> 00:07:03,300Well, we are talking about thearticle from Mike. MiG mag Nano.11900:07:04,470 --> 00:07:07,770What was the title of thatarticle? Like? Are they get the12000:07:07,770 --> 00:07:11,820pot pot the standards innovationdilemma or something like that?12100:07:11,820 --> 00:07:14,970Or? I have to have a copy of ithere.12200:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,250Yeah, I have it here. I can't.Oh, yeah.12300:07:20,550 --> 00:07:25,530Here it is. Stands standardsinnovation paradox paradox. Yes.12400:07:25,530 --> 00:07:31,710That's it. That's it. Theparadox. Yeah. That, so I'm not12500:07:31,710 --> 00:07:36,840so sure that he I don't. I see.I hear what you're saying that.12600:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,990But But I also think some ofthat I'm not. Let me say this, I12700:07:42,990 --> 00:07:50,610think I think Mike he makes somedecent points. I just disagree12800:07:50,610 --> 00:07:56,280with the fundamental premisepremise that standards constrain12900:07:56,310 --> 00:08:01,770you and prevent innovation.Because you are adhering to a13000:08:01,770 --> 00:08:05,040standard. And if you innovate,you break the standard. That's13100:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,840just not that's not the waystandards work. The standard,13200:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,070the standard is what I hadcommunicated on Twitter when I13300:08:14,070 --> 00:08:17,910was talking to him a little bit.This, the standard is really the13400:08:17,910 --> 00:08:22,440standard not really RSS, thestandard is we're all going to13500:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,150use RSS, that's the standard,the format that we've agreed to13600:08:27,150 --> 00:08:31,560use as RSS. And the formatitself can be expanded,13700:08:31,590 --> 00:08:36,660improved, innovated on veryeasily with zero breakage at13800:08:36,660 --> 00:08:40,590all. And that's what that'swhat's been happening. So to say13900:08:40,590 --> 00:08:46,260that you cannot innovate, if youhave a standard is that's, it's,14000:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,590it's not just wrong. It'sdemonstrably wrong is provably14100:08:49,590 --> 00:08:51,360wrong, because we have beendoing it.14200:08:51,420 --> 00:08:54,060But let me let me give you alittle background as to why14300:08:54,210 --> 00:08:56,580the internet, I just feel likethe internet was built on14400:08:56,580 --> 00:08:57,210standard.14500:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,790Hold on, hold on. Hold on, holdon. Before we get into14600:08:59,790 --> 00:09:03,180standards, let me just make mycase. Because cuz I don't know,14700:09:03,180 --> 00:09:06,180everyone's talking about everysingle podcast has had this14800:09:06,180 --> 00:09:09,690argument, or this this? Youknow, I think we can approach it14900:09:09,690 --> 00:09:17,490from a different perspective.The first part is he is15000:09:17,490 --> 00:09:22,440absolutely right when anchor waskind of transitioning, adding15100:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,480RSS becoming a free hostingplatform. You know, maybe15200:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,970Spotify was sniffing aroundearly I don't know exactly the15300:09:29,970 --> 00:09:34,620timeline. But at that point intime, three to three years ago,15400:09:34,620 --> 00:09:39,300how many years ago? Do you knowTom? Oh, when did when did they15500:09:39,300 --> 00:09:41,700really start offering threeyears ago, two or three years15600:09:41,700 --> 00:09:45,750ago, okay. In the middle of thepandemic, or maybe right before,15700:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,110up until that point, there hadbeen 10 years of stagnation. In15800:09:52,110 --> 00:09:55,110the end you know it becauseBuzzsprout knows this blueberry15900:09:55,110 --> 00:09:59,400No, everybody knows this.rss.com There wasn't there was16000:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,790very little Innovation to dobecause of another dilemma which16100:10:02,790 --> 00:10:08,310we have a name, which is namely,a big tech company adopted the16200:10:08,310 --> 00:10:12,120standard and then decided theywere not interested in or16300:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,180adopted the format and thestandard and decided they were16400:10:15,180 --> 00:10:17,580not interested in reallyinnovating, and everyone was16500:10:17,580 --> 00:10:22,680stuck. Because no one just said,Hey, you know, we're willing to16600:10:22,710 --> 00:10:24,600admit now, everyone saideverything, but nothing16700:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,400happened. And we not. We hadacademies and boards and slack16800:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,400groups and all kinds of stuff,and nothing ever happened. So.16900:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,490So from his perspective, at thatpoint, you know, he had a huge17000:10:38,490 --> 00:10:41,970opportunity to bring all of thatto Spotify, make some good17100:10:41,970 --> 00:10:46,020money, which is fantastic.Which, of course, also set up17200:10:46,020 --> 00:10:48,270the rest of the business, like,oh, you know, what's going on17300:10:48,270 --> 00:10:52,080here, as people are exiting thisis nice. Certainly, for some17400:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,040companies have been doing thisfor 10 or 15 years. And, and17500:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,700that guy is completely focusedon how do I make Spotify? You17600:10:59,700 --> 00:11:03,330know, how do I integrate? Andhe's saying, Oh, this is finally17700:11:03,330 --> 00:11:05,760this is great. You know, we'vehad 10 years of bullcrap, we're17800:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,370just gonna do it all. And youknow, maybe we'll publish17900:11:08,370 --> 00:11:10,500something out, it is notinterested in that it just wants18000:11:10,500 --> 00:11:15,180to do podcasting within Spotify.And then we crop up two years18100:11:15,180 --> 00:11:19,170ago, I don't think we were onhis radar for a very long time.18200:11:19,170 --> 00:11:23,010And, you know, this is alsowe're living in pandemic times,18300:11:23,010 --> 00:11:25,530and lots of shits going on, Ireally don't think he was18400:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,610familiar at all with what we'redoing, that there's 58 apps and18500:11:29,610 --> 00:11:33,840services already using it. Youknow, he recognized that I think18600:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,970it was actually quite kind bysaying, Hey, you haven't heard18700:11:35,970 --> 00:11:38,430him on pod plan. It's like, no,seems like those guys have18800:11:38,430 --> 00:11:42,780traction. But if he knew, orhere's part of the conversation18900:11:42,780 --> 00:11:45,870that didn't come across, or inthe article, that there are19000:11:45,870 --> 00:11:50,160hundreds of 1000s of feeds thatalready declare the namespace19100:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,060there, I don't know 1000s 10s of1000s. If you look at at least19200:11:54,060 --> 00:11:59,820one, one namespace tag, they'reoffering the content. I mean,19300:11:59,850 --> 00:12:05,310we've we've solved the biggestproblem, we have the very nice19400:12:06,630 --> 00:12:11,610selection of hosting companiespublishing this content. So the19500:12:11,610 --> 00:12:14,730whole conversation is moot everyargument he made his mood,19600:12:14,730 --> 00:12:17,100because it's not aboutinnovation, we've done the19700:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,760innovation. Why do you not takethat innovation? Why are you19800:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,190reinventing that? Inside? Sothere's no paradox? The article19900:12:26,190 --> 00:12:29,910is not just not honest. Becausethey're not innovating? Well,20000:12:29,910 --> 00:12:31,710it's not honest. Because hedidn't write it with the20100:12:31,710 --> 00:12:34,470knowledge of what we're doing.I'm convinced I want to give him20200:12:34,470 --> 00:12:38,580that benefit of the doubt. I andyou know, and, and he's playing20300:12:38,580 --> 00:12:41,400corporate, he just he just gotout. He's got some, you know,20400:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,220he's probably civilized stock oroptions, doesn't want to rock20500:12:44,220 --> 00:12:47,460the boat. You know, the stockhas already suppressed. He wants20600:12:47,460 --> 00:12:50,250to be an angel investor. He's hetalked like a VC.20700:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,570Yeah, that's the thing I tookaway from the article is that he20800:12:54,570 --> 00:12:58,770taught this is an investorwriting investor is an investor20900:12:58,770 --> 00:13:03,390writing investor, everything'snot. And I think there's also,21000:13:03,750 --> 00:13:09,120there's also an issue here of itwould talk about this with Tom,21100:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,380is that I don't think peopleunderstand. I don't I don't21200:13:13,380 --> 00:13:17,640think people understand opensource. Now. And let me let me21300:13:17,850 --> 00:13:18,210isn't that21400:13:18,210 --> 00:13:21,390something you give $100,000 toand say checkmark?21500:13:22,260 --> 00:13:27,120Yeah, right. Yeah. That's, likepeople use open source. I mean,21600:13:27,150 --> 00:13:31,110every every podcast hostingcompany, is going to use Linux21700:13:31,110 --> 00:13:34,830in some way every every hostingcompany is going to use, you21800:13:34,830 --> 00:13:38,040know, RSS in some way. I mean,it sounds silly to say that they21900:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,450don't understand open source.But what I mean, is they I don't22000:13:42,450 --> 00:13:46,800think a lot of companiesunderstand the participation22100:13:46,830 --> 00:13:50,250within open source. They don'tunderstand what the open source22200:13:50,250 --> 00:13:53,970culture is like, No, I don'tthink they're companies are not22300:13:53,970 --> 00:13:58,500run as open source companies. Sothat that's those are the those22400:13:58,500 --> 00:14:00,600are different things. Those area difference. I mean, it's22500:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,480different to just use opensource software in your stack22600:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,560somewhere, versus understandingthe culture of what open source22700:14:07,560 --> 00:14:12,750is. And that's, that's the thingthat that's the thing that the22800:14:12,750 --> 00:14:15,420podcasting people know projectdoes that is different from22900:14:15,450 --> 00:14:18,630other things like the RSSadvisory board, and things like23000:14:18,630 --> 00:14:22,680that is this is open source.We're not just developing a23100:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,440standard. We're not justdeveloping the namespace. We're23200:14:25,440 --> 00:14:32,310also developing software, code,examples, the community all of23300:14:32,310 --> 00:14:34,770the things that go around it,that's how you that's what open23400:14:34,770 --> 00:14:38,250source. That's what an opensource organization looks like.23500:14:39,060 --> 00:14:42,870In lots, lots of companies,especially anchor I mean, anchor23600:14:42,870 --> 00:14:46,800was started as a Silicon Valleystartup. It was a standard23700:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,040Silicon Valley startup lookingfor an exit strategy. They just23800:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,310they were going to do quoteunquote, social audio, just like23900:14:54,990 --> 00:14:57,780you know, clubhouse clubhouseand all that. Yeah, that's what24000:14:57,780 --> 00:15:01,980it was. All the other examplesYeah, it was clubhouse before24100:15:01,980 --> 00:15:06,930clubhouse and then they and thenthey pivoted into RSS to come24200:15:06,930 --> 00:15:10,230upon podcast hosts and Spotifycame along along and bought24300:15:10,230 --> 00:15:16,290them. Their DNA is not in opensource, no collaboration with24400:15:16,290 --> 00:15:19,920the community, their DNA is inSilicon Valley investment.24500:15:20,790 --> 00:15:26,520Correct. And I'm going to gowith your assumption now that24600:15:26,550 --> 00:15:30,840anchor will just probably closeup shop eventually it'll become24700:15:30,840 --> 00:15:37,230the on ramp into Spotify. Theywill it'll be unlikely that they24800:15:38,130 --> 00:15:40,920they publish anything back orthat they tried to create a you24900:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,800know, some kind of new formatstandard cetera maybe that's in25000:15:43,800 --> 00:15:54,030the in the planning somewhere.And I always laugh about all the25100:15:55,980 --> 00:15:58,710this is gonna sound it's gonnasound shitty, i There's no other25200:15:58,710 --> 00:16:04,770way to say it. Everybody's sofucking horny for money. That's25300:16:04,770 --> 00:16:09,240why no one rocks the boat withcompanies like, like Spotify.25400:16:09,510 --> 00:16:13,530With podcasts index was startedpartially because of Spotify,25500:16:13,710 --> 00:16:18,630and Apple and Amazon and Googledeep platforming people and25600:16:18,630 --> 00:16:22,080messing around with their APIand giving it you know, and it25700:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,400was obvious, they, they, it'sthe typical Silicon Valley25800:16:26,430 --> 00:16:30,660model. You do all the work, usergenerated content is what it25900:16:30,660 --> 00:16:33,900used to be called, give us allthat will make money out of it,26000:16:34,110 --> 00:16:42,630and you get nothing. And look atlook at Spotify as a company. If26100:16:42,630 --> 00:16:45,090you listen to we, I think weplayed those clips a long time26200:16:45,090 --> 00:16:49,080ago, the Chief TechnologyOfficer, she's really saying,26300:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,020Yeah, you should be lucky, weallow you on our platform, you26400:16:52,020 --> 00:16:55,950should be paying us. And yeah,and you know, it's it's not just26500:16:55,950 --> 00:16:58,380Spotify, it's the entireindustry and legislation and a26600:16:58,380 --> 00:17:04,950lot of gangsters involved in howlittle artists get paid. Spotify26700:17:04,950 --> 00:17:08,910doesn't care. And we all know,their whole strategy was, hey,26800:17:08,910 --> 00:17:11,250let's get people listening tosomething else that we pay26900:17:11,250 --> 00:17:19,710nothing for. Okay. So they donot value. Podcast content, they27000:17:19,710 --> 00:17:22,530just don't value it. In fact,when people say, you know, how27100:17:22,530 --> 00:17:25,980did Joe get there? Joe Rogan getthat $200 million deal? Say,27200:17:25,980 --> 00:17:28,830Well, that's easy. He did henever put his content on27300:17:28,830 --> 00:17:31,050Spotify, and they just keptcalling. You said, No, I'm not27400:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,870going to I don't want to be onSpotify. Why would I do that?27500:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,110Individually, it gave him $200million to go to Spotify. Yeah.27600:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,160Now, I just think it's this.It's the same story everywhere27700:17:47,190 --> 00:17:51,840of companies trying to dominatea space trying to build a walled27800:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,350garden. So they can define therules. Once they own the space,27900:17:55,350 --> 00:17:58,410they can make the rules,anything they want. And so they28000:17:58,410 --> 00:18:03,360try to convince us that thingswill be better if we let them28100:18:03,360 --> 00:18:07,290control everything. And that'sjust, it's just not true. We28200:18:07,290 --> 00:18:10,350know from history in theinternet was built from this28300:18:10,350 --> 00:18:14,100place of recognizing, wait aminute, we grow better together28400:18:14,190 --> 00:18:19,470through competing ideas, andhaving all this opportunity to28500:18:19,470 --> 00:18:22,470be able to collaborate anddefine standards for which we28600:18:22,470 --> 00:18:25,770can build upon and then buildcompeting products that will28700:18:25,770 --> 00:18:29,430eventually make everything inwhatever area workings better.28800:18:29,460 --> 00:18:33,210So here's my problem cast,everyone says that everyone28900:18:33,210 --> 00:18:36,450talks that way. But everyone didthe Spotify integration,29000:18:36,450 --> 00:18:39,330everybody did the YouTubeintegration. And you know what,29100:18:39,330 --> 00:18:42,540you're gonna get a big fatmiddle finger from Spotify. Hey,29200:18:42,540 --> 00:18:45,030thanks for integrating thanksfor helping people get their29300:18:45,030 --> 00:18:50,220content that we pay nothing forunder our platform by that's29400:18:50,220 --> 00:18:54,810literally what's gonna happen.And you know, and so, when I was29500:18:54,810 --> 00:18:58,980laughing, I misinterpreted whenI first heard it, my wife sent29600:18:58,980 --> 00:19:01,740me straight. But you know, JamesCridland said something to the29700:19:01,740 --> 00:19:05,910effect of, well, you know,because I posted and I did this29800:19:05,910 --> 00:19:10,650with some thought, Spotify isthe shit coin is the Bitcoin of29900:19:10,650 --> 00:19:14,250podcasting. And, but I said, itwas some thought, because if you30000:19:14,250 --> 00:19:19,170look at Bitcoin, which hassimply said, no CEO, no boss, is30100:19:19,170 --> 00:19:23,820the same as RSS. And soeverything else, every other30200:19:23,820 --> 00:19:27,720thing that's developed in housethat has a boss that has a CEO30300:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,200and therefore probably doesn'thave the longevity. Anyway,30400:19:31,500 --> 00:19:36,120James's point was, you know,Adam, you know, he says, maybe30500:19:36,120 --> 00:19:40,710the reason why Spotify has notbeen interested in podcasting.30600:19:40,710 --> 00:19:46,9802.0 is because, you know, I'm adick, basically, and I kind of30700:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,120for a minute, I'm like, wow, howdo I feel about that? And my30800:19:51,120 --> 00:19:55,020wife had a little much softerinterpretation. But it's30900:19:55,020 --> 00:20:00,480important to say because, youknow, you can't you cannot You31000:20:00,480 --> 00:20:07,650cannot compromise with them.It's who they are. And they're31100:20:07,650 --> 00:20:11,250not bad people. That's just whatthey're going to do. And you31200:20:11,250 --> 00:20:15,960watch with the downturn that'scoming. This, you know, all the31300:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,720production money's gonna get alittle tighter, that's when he's31400:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,200gonna get a little tighter. Youknow, their free money ride is31500:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,830kind of over. So there's reallynothing to worry about. If31600:20:25,830 --> 00:20:29,640anything, I'm super happy thatMichael wrote this, this this31700:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,410post, because it's a tippingpoint for us. This is who was it31800:20:34,410 --> 00:20:38,430on on on podcasting? Next issocial who said this kind of31900:20:38,430 --> 00:20:41,250like a Barbra Streisand. Youknow, no one's supposed to know32000:20:41,250 --> 00:20:44,790about podcasts, or no, butthanks. And then I hear like,32100:20:45,900 --> 00:20:47,970a Streisand moment is Oh, yeah.32200:20:48,030 --> 00:20:51,120And then I hear that, you know,for me, that's one of the top32300:20:51,120 --> 00:20:56,520two pod podcasting kind of newsand information podcast, new32400:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,060media show and pod land. Andwe're all over the place, the32500:21:00,060 --> 00:21:05,730guy that you know, called valuefor value silly internet tokens.32600:21:06,300 --> 00:21:11,190It has a whole boost to Grahamcorner. I mean, come on. I mean,32700:21:11,220 --> 00:21:14,940we're, it's we're having suchsuccess. And this just to me32800:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,450push a little bit further. And Iwould say thanks to the32900:21:18,450 --> 00:21:23,550comments, or the the commentlike threaded boosts on on33000:21:23,550 --> 00:21:27,120fountain. That's how I can seethis kind of new users coming33100:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,320online. Of course, the boothsare all like one Satoshi. So you33200:21:31,320 --> 00:21:31,530know,33300:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,610we're gonna have to limit that,by the way, because no, no,33400:21:35,610 --> 00:21:39,930no, no, no, no, no, we have tolimit that. But that's what you33500:21:39,930 --> 00:21:44,010get. And, you know, if youanyway, we've been through all33600:21:44,010 --> 00:21:47,640that, I'm still doing my a btesting on how well I think that33700:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,810works or not, but it doesn't, itdoesn't matter. And right now33800:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,810you're sitting with one of thepeople who has a lot of33900:21:54,810 --> 00:21:58,290influence, you know, hostingcompanies have a lot of power.34000:21:58,620 --> 00:21:59,070And34100:21:59,130 --> 00:22:01,770Tom did, you know, have thatmuch influence, you're sitting34200:22:01,770 --> 00:22:02,400with the person?34300:22:02,670 --> 00:22:05,040Well, and what I mean is like,34400:22:06,420 --> 00:22:10,470I don't think like, if you're,if you think that Buzzsprout,34500:22:10,470 --> 00:22:14,670integrating with Spotify is thatthe option would be for34600:22:14,670 --> 00:22:18,030Buzzsprout, to not integratewith Spotify. I don't, I don't34700:22:18,030 --> 00:22:23,040think that would help. Becausethey just wouldn't both probably34800:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,180just would have a small portionof the of the podcasters.34900:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,580Whereas right now we have acommunity of podcasters that we35000:22:29,580 --> 00:22:33,630can influence. And we do throughour programs like Buzz cast. And35100:22:34,140 --> 00:22:36,120anytime that we haveopportunities to be able to35200:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,660communicate about it's not goodfor one company to dominate the35300:22:39,660 --> 00:22:43,410space. That's why we don't listour podcast, a buzz cast isn't35400:22:43,410 --> 00:22:48,000on Spotify. But I don't think Idon't think we exercise that35500:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,030kind of influence, where if wedidn't submit podcasts to35600:22:51,030 --> 00:22:54,870Spotify, that would help theindustry as a whole. I35700:22:54,870 --> 00:22:59,580didn't mean it that way. There'sa ton of two separate things. I35800:22:59,580 --> 00:23:02,970think what you've done withnamespace integration is very35900:23:02,970 --> 00:23:05,850powerful. I mean, it'sincredibly powerful. Therefore,36000:23:05,850 --> 00:23:09,660I can say 100,000 podcast rightover there. They've declared the36100:23:09,660 --> 00:23:14,700namespace. And this was verypowerful with someone I spoke to36200:23:14,700 --> 00:23:16,890earlier this week, which I don'twant to mention just yet,36300:23:16,890 --> 00:23:20,520because we have a follow upphone call. But even Dave's been36400:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,490hinting at it. He's so jacked,aren't you, Dave? No, I'm36500:23:23,490 --> 00:23:26,610jacked. But, you know,36600:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,740I think that's a good strategyfor Buzzsprout to have a36700:23:31,740 --> 00:23:34,980positive impact for thepodcasting community, which is36800:23:34,980 --> 00:23:38,520to, hey, we're going to we'regoing to play the game. But36900:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,460we're also going to supportthese innovative tags that come37000:23:41,460 --> 00:23:45,750out of podcasting 2.0, we'regoing to build tech around it to37100:23:45,750 --> 00:23:49,050make it so that people areasking the question, well, why37200:23:49,050 --> 00:23:52,110are my transcripts showing up inSpotify? When I've got them in37300:23:52,110 --> 00:23:54,450there? Or why are the thechapter images? Why aren't they37400:23:54,450 --> 00:23:57,630pulling this out of the thestuff that we're providing?37500:23:57,630 --> 00:23:58,110Exactly.37600:23:58,590 --> 00:24:02,430That's very powerful. That'sexactly what I mean, about the37700:24:02,430 --> 00:24:05,580integration. What I mean is,what are you going to say, when37800:24:05,580 --> 00:24:09,660Spotify comes to you and says,Okay, here's our API and has all37900:24:09,660 --> 00:24:13,110these different things. And youwill have to adjust your, your38000:24:13,110 --> 00:24:17,280you your UX or UI so that peoplecan put their polls in or38100:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,670whatever it is. Are you going todo that? I mean, just from a38200:24:20,670 --> 00:24:24,210business perspective, not from aphilosophical perspective, but I38300:24:24,210 --> 00:24:26,700mean, because because the answershould be yes.38400:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,050Well, this goes back to the thisgoes back to the thing that Mike38500:24:31,050 --> 00:24:35,340wrote that he was, seems to theyseem to be trying to say, which38600:24:35,340 --> 00:24:40,440was that there's a paradoxbetween having between adhering38700:24:40,440 --> 00:24:46,620to a standard and he called itinnovate innovation and adhering38800:24:46,620 --> 00:24:50,910to a standard. I think what hewas really talking about was the38900:24:50,910 --> 00:24:54,450paradox between adhering to astandard and making lots of39000:24:54,450 --> 00:24:54,960money39100:24:56,580 --> 00:24:57,750reionization,39200:24:58,260 --> 00:25:01,680it's another line on the graph.Right as well, that's39300:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,290Silicon Valley speeder. That'sSilicon Valley's bingo. We're39400:25:04,290 --> 00:25:06,690very innovative. Oh, that soundslike Spensive.39500:25:07,950 --> 00:25:10,650What do you want to talk about areal paradox? Here's, here's,39600:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,830here's one for you. How aboutthe mark? How about the market39700:25:16,830 --> 00:25:24,570share, to limitary paradox ormaybe the market share knowledge39800:25:24,570 --> 00:25:29,790paradox. So, if you get in theway, this the way this is, is as39900:25:29,790 --> 00:25:34,290you become larger, you becomemore disconnected from what40000:25:34,290 --> 00:25:40,020your, what your customersactually desire. And you can see40100:25:40,020 --> 00:25:47,520that with companies likeMicrosoft, they, if you just get40200:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,210my clips,40300:25:48,270 --> 00:25:55,260I did. And I, I know if if theclip of that says, Sam, is from40400:25:55,260 --> 00:25:58,710pod land. And it's a great clip,because I love what Sam said,40500:25:59,129 --> 00:25:59,879Yeah, play that way.40600:25:59,970 --> 00:26:02,580The other thing that I thoughtwas telling was that Mike didn't40700:26:02,580 --> 00:26:06,600even have an awareness of thepodcast index extension work40800:26:07,500 --> 00:26:11,760until probably recently. Andthat's, that's more worrying, as40900:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,210well41000:26:12,330 --> 00:26:15,450than people who maybe until Davestarted tweeting,41100:26:15,629 --> 00:26:19,619yeah, and, and this I've seen sooften, you know, my wife used to41200:26:19,619 --> 00:26:24,119run MSN. And I was asked to goin to talk to some of the41300:26:25,049 --> 00:26:28,919product marketing people atMicrosoft at the time about web41400:26:29,099 --> 00:26:32,639two dot O, they hadn't heard ofhalf the companies that were41500:26:32,639 --> 00:26:35,279doing, they didn't know some ofthis technology that was going41600:26:35,279 --> 00:26:39,989on, that they formally reallyare involved in two things,41700:26:40,019 --> 00:26:44,969spreadsheets, KPIs, usernumbers, and share price, you41800:26:44,969 --> 00:26:46,829know, that's probably one oftheir biggest things that they41900:26:46,829 --> 00:26:50,129look at. And, you know, at theend of the day, they do become42000:26:50,159 --> 00:26:54,329very, very myopic to their ownenvironment. And that's the sad42100:26:54,329 --> 00:26:57,149thing about corporates, you veryrarely look above the parapet42200:26:57,149 --> 00:27:00,089and see around what else isinnovating and what's going on.42300:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,549And clearly Spotfire doing that.Yeah,42400:27:02,940 --> 00:27:05,670no, there you go. That's prettymuch exactly how I feel about42500:27:05,670 --> 00:27:06,180it. Yeah.42600:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,770I mean, if you think about theexample that Sam used of42700:27:10,830 --> 00:27:14,880Microsoft, Microsoft's ceased toinnovate, because they42800:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,960dominated. And so thisinnovation paradox that he's42900:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,300describing, well, if youdominate the space, you will43000:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,420cease to innovate, you know, youwill innovate only enough to43100:27:24,420 --> 00:27:27,900dominate. Once that's done, youwill stop you will flatten out43200:27:27,930 --> 00:27:31,710and no longer innovate. Yeah,and that you can see that from,43300:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,640think about Blackberry, andBlackberry get there get get,43400:27:35,940 --> 00:27:40,560they went from a marketdomination standpoint, to43500:27:40,590 --> 00:27:44,940virtually bankrupt within justtwo or three years after the43600:27:44,940 --> 00:27:48,090iPhone came out. There's this,there's this thing that happens43700:27:48,090 --> 00:27:51,240where you see it, where a largecompany gets larger, they get43800:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,910more and more market share. It'snot really the size of the43900:27:53,910 --> 00:27:56,670company, it's really the marketshare, they get more and more44000:27:56,670 --> 00:28:00,030market share. And they becomemore and more disconnected from44100:28:00,030 --> 00:28:02,520what the real needs of theirusers are and what they're44200:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,740really want. Because the inertiaof just having so much market44300:28:07,740 --> 00:28:12,450share, sort of insulates youfrom knowing from needing to44400:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,690know what your customers are,and what your customers desire,44500:28:15,900 --> 00:28:19,500then at some point, a newcompetitor comes along, brings44600:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,890it in and innovates in aparticular way that meets your44700:28:22,890 --> 00:28:26,670customer's needs. And theyrapidly shift from you to44800:28:26,670 --> 00:28:31,020somebody else. And it's notbecause it's not because you44900:28:31,140 --> 00:28:34,170failed at that moment. It'sbecause you failed for the45000:28:34,170 --> 00:28:37,080previous year, all these yearsleading up to that moment, and45100:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,160somebody else came in and didn'thave the blindness, they didn't45200:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,940have those market share blinderson. So, you know, I think that's45300:28:44,940 --> 00:28:48,390what, that's one of the things Itook away from this is, and I45400:28:48,390 --> 00:28:50,850think James was trying to saysomething very similar is when45500:28:50,850 --> 00:28:55,710you have 30% market share insome stats, I mean, not all that45600:28:55,710 --> 00:28:59,100what both brass stats or Spotify20s in the 20s, something like45700:28:59,100 --> 00:29:05,040that, when you have that levelof market share. Rather than45800:29:05,340 --> 00:29:09,750going it alone, and goingproprietary. That's the time to45900:29:09,750 --> 00:29:13,680turn outward and begin tocommunicate more with people46000:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,420outside of your bubble. Why getwhy why? Because then you begin46100:29:18,420 --> 00:29:21,720to see what is actually going onin the community which people46200:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,220are adhering to, and then youdon't run the risk of being of46300:29:26,220 --> 00:29:28,620being subverted by a suddencompetitor.46400:29:28,890 --> 00:29:32,250Okay, launch hormones. Okay, sonow we have to look at the other46500:29:32,250 --> 00:29:39,210side of this equation. Spotifybelieves they can monetize and46600:29:39,570 --> 00:29:43,380finally have a profitablecompany by selling advertising46700:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,920that is yet to be proven byanybody as far as I'm concerned.46800:29:46,950 --> 00:29:50,940I mean, really proven outside ofYouTube, which is just not the46900:29:50,940 --> 00:29:55,890same animal because thepodcasters can and are splitting47000:29:55,890 --> 00:29:59,970off their their, you know, theirplatform their audience.47100:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,560distribution, whatever you wantto call it, to anyone who wants47200:30:04,560 --> 00:30:11,640to have it. So not having, Idon't know, if there's, if there47300:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,060truly is a $1 billion industry,let's just call it that, that47400:30:15,060 --> 00:30:19,050there's $1 billion runningthrough podcast advertising, and47500:30:19,050 --> 00:30:24,24030% of that is consumed onSpotify, I guess it's going to47600:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600be the same across the board,then, really, it's $300 million.47700:30:28,890 --> 00:30:32,070Okay, so that's still wouldn'tget them to break, even if they47800:30:32,070 --> 00:30:38,070could grab 100% of 100% of themarket share, or the full 30% of47900:30:38,070 --> 00:30:43,020the 100% of advertising moneythat's available. So, you know,48000:30:43,530 --> 00:30:48,720are they going to fold it intoSubscriptions, which seems like48100:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,240they might be doing that,although, you know, the first48200:30:51,270 --> 00:30:55,170lead down for Joe Roganaudiences was I paid to be a48300:30:55,170 --> 00:31:02,820subscriber and I get ads. The I,you know, programmatic ads,48400:31:02,820 --> 00:31:08,160which are, I mean, look atMarcos post, where people are48500:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,120actually blaming him his app,because this is what you get48600:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,500when you have platforms versusan app. You know, it's like,48700:31:16,590 --> 00:31:21,000net, some some degree of userswhen they hear an ad inserted,48800:31:21,060 --> 00:31:24,510whether it's unclear whether itwas before the podcast plays48900:31:24,510 --> 00:31:29,970during or whenever they believethat that is overcast, selling49000:31:29,970 --> 00:31:36,540those ads. Which is mindblowing. And then, you know, and49100:31:37,110 --> 00:31:40,470the industry that I've heardtalking about this? Well, yes,49200:31:40,470 --> 00:31:44,130you know, these are direct adinsertion companies that aren't49300:31:44,130 --> 00:31:46,350they're not doing it, right.It's not a very good job. They49400:31:46,350 --> 00:31:50,700haven't really no, peoplefucking hate ads. Just be49500:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,210honest, people don't like ads,they don't like him. Now, if49600:31:54,210 --> 00:31:57,390it's in the context, if you canmake a value pitch to your49700:31:57,390 --> 00:32:01,800audience, I'm going to play youa couple ads right now. Because,49800:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,640you know, that's how I getcompensated for the work. I'm49900:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,300doing people's that they thinkabout it, but somebody has just50000:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,430inserted No, I don't thinkyou're gonna get that kind of50100:32:11,430 --> 00:32:18,870understanding. So Spotify has along road to go a long road to50200:32:18,870 --> 00:32:21,240go. And I think it's crazy.50300:32:22,020 --> 00:32:26,010Is there an example of a companybecause I feel like this is a50400:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,310more recent phenomenon, right,where a company can lose money50500:32:29,490 --> 00:32:36,060for years, as they search for away to make money to find a50600:32:36,060 --> 00:32:37,350monetization strategy.50700:32:37,380 --> 00:32:40,170Thanks for that. Lou has theSilicon Valley model right there50800:32:40,170 --> 00:32:40,920that is that is50900:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,390decent, right? Maybe. I wonderif Amazon was the first one to51000:32:45,390 --> 00:32:47,280just lose money for you? Oh,51100:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,800no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Igot it. I gotta count you there.51200:32:50,070 --> 00:32:54,930Amazon did not lose money. Theyalways went to just about51300:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,270breakeven, they plowedeverything back into51400:32:57,270 --> 00:33:01,530development. That's why we haveAWS and we have these types of51500:33:01,530 --> 00:33:05,160services. That's why their stockeventually went to what is it51600:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,9502000 Or something never, theynever even bothered to split51700:33:07,950 --> 00:33:10,650their stock. Now, the exampleyou're looking for is one51800:33:10,650 --> 00:33:14,430company. That company isSpotify. Now. It's Spotify. It's51900:33:14,430 --> 00:33:18,000Netflix. All these companieshave been running on cheap52000:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,390money, which is about to go upanother full percent. There's no52100:33:21,630 --> 00:33:25,170overt Twitter to Twitter. 15years of business, they still52200:33:25,200 --> 00:33:32,610they still lose $10 million on aon a $1.2 billion revenue. These52300:33:32,610 --> 00:33:33,900are not businesses.52400:33:34,260 --> 00:33:37,050You can track Yeah, yeah, youdid that said the phenomenon52500:33:37,050 --> 00:33:41,250you're talking about Tom tracksperfectly with cheap with52600:33:41,250 --> 00:33:45,390monetary expansion. Yeah, it's amonetary experience cheap. As as52700:33:45,390 --> 00:33:47,760money has gotten cheaper. Andyou're you're right. I mean,52800:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,790it's started. This wholephenomenon probably started in52900:33:50,790 --> 00:33:55,500the around the time of the.com.Boom. And then we've just been53000:33:55,590 --> 00:33:58,980money got cheaper and cheaperand cheaper. And there was more53100:33:58,980 --> 00:34:01,710money and like money was socheap, people just trying to53200:34:01,710 --> 00:34:04,620find a way to give it away. Youknow, like, I just want I'll53300:34:04,620 --> 00:34:06,930invest in 100 Differentcompanies that if one of them53400:34:06,930 --> 00:34:10,740plays pays off, fine, but I'mfine losing a billion dollars on53500:34:10,740 --> 00:34:12,630every other company if this onemakes 2053600:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,560when I took my company publicwas way back in 96. Very small,53700:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,810but it was NASDAQ. So I've beenthrough kind of what it's like53800:34:18,810 --> 00:34:21,570to be on the inside right now atSpotify, people are depressed53900:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,420because people came on boardthey have an option strike price54000:34:24,420 --> 00:34:28,890price, which may be 100 or $200higher than their stock prices54100:34:28,890 --> 00:34:32,820today. And of course, justmomentary, it's transitory don't54200:34:32,820 --> 00:34:36,060worry about it will make youwhole on the back end I've heard54300:34:36,060 --> 00:34:41,010it all I've said it all the beancounters are in because they54400:34:41,010 --> 00:34:46,470have to now start justifyingtowards their shareholders every54500:34:46,470 --> 00:34:49,950quarter. Why it's not paying offyet. You know when when are we54600:34:49,950 --> 00:34:53,010gonna get the big no, we lovethat Rogan stock boost but you54700:34:53,010 --> 00:34:55,530know, it's all been downhillsince then. And we're now below54800:34:55,530 --> 00:35:01,230the IPO price. So or no, notbelow. Uh, you know, they're54900:35:01,230 --> 00:35:04,350getting down there. And so nowthey're gonna have to look at55000:35:04,350 --> 00:35:07,980expenses. They have to cutpeople, they have to cut things55100:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,700that are expensive. I don'tthink they'll cut exclusive55200:35:11,700 --> 00:35:14,280shows, I think that's all beenbuilt in for the for the long55300:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,260haul, but anchor, or justhosting millions of bullcrap55400:35:20,460 --> 00:35:25,710that's going to be on the list.And I think they're gonna get55500:35:25,710 --> 00:35:30,150shot, and then they're gonnasee, oh, wait a minute, we could55600:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,390have used we could have had thesame result, the same content,55700:35:33,390 --> 00:35:37,260only less of the crap. Withoutany of the hosting costs. If we55800:35:37,260 --> 00:35:40,410had only done it this way. Noone has successfully pulled55900:35:40,410 --> 00:35:44,400this, this whole the whole thingoff. And there's a reason for56000:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,520it. Yeah, I'll have the hostingthe app. I have everything. I56100:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,750have the talent relations, I'llsell the ads. Yeah,56200:35:51,870 --> 00:35:54,780perfect. That's one of thereasons I'm debt. Like, that's56300:35:54,780 --> 00:36:00,930one. That's one of the reasonsI'm down here at Buzzsprout. I56400:36:00,930 --> 00:36:03,420mean, they're like, six hours,six hours away from me. And I've56500:36:03,420 --> 00:36:05,190been threatening to come downhere and visit these guys56600:36:05,190 --> 00:36:09,270forever. Because they're soclose. But like, I just wanted56700:36:09,270 --> 00:36:11,580to come check out their stuff.And it's just56800:36:12,390 --> 00:36:14,370how many people work there.Really Dave, like a lot of56900:36:14,370 --> 00:36:17,100people like I'm thinking there'sgotta be 30 that working? Okay,57000:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,500there's only two people just Tomand Kevin. Yeah. And that's57100:36:19,830 --> 00:36:22,920actually as Tom is Tom and Alba.And Kevin just shows up every57200:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,280now and then.57300:36:24,810 --> 00:36:27,600Do they have their own parkingspots? Where their name on it?57400:36:28,230 --> 00:36:31,050No. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Martinand Tom rode me out of here.57500:36:32,580 --> 00:36:35,070Dynamite dynamite. Now that's57600:36:35,100 --> 00:36:41,010it. But it's, it's cool to see,like to see a company. see57700:36:41,010 --> 00:36:44,580companies like Buzzsprout andRSS and blueberry, that want to57800:36:44,610 --> 00:36:49,800that, that, that have a businessplan. That involves, you know,57900:36:49,890 --> 00:36:54,750making making money on a productthat people that people want, in58000:36:54,750 --> 00:36:59,220a sensible way. And that versusall of the bullcrap coming out58100:36:59,220 --> 00:37:02,790of the cheap money SiliconValley experiment, it's like,58200:37:02,790 --> 00:37:06,090it's so refreshing to rememberthe commercial, I can't remember58300:37:06,090 --> 00:37:08,580what it was for. But as acommercial and in the guy would58400:37:08,580 --> 00:37:11,880say, he'd say, you know, we makemoney the old fashioned way we58500:37:11,910 --> 00:37:14,760earn it. I feel like that's whatSilicon Valley is missing,58600:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,700right? In the old days used toprovide value, and then people58700:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,580pay you for the value that youbrought. And that's how you set58800:37:20,580 --> 00:37:23,700your pricing. And that's how youestablish a relationship. So58900:37:23,700 --> 00:37:27,570when you look at something likean anchor, I'm like, how do you59000:37:27,570 --> 00:37:29,610define that? Right? What do youWell, let59100:37:29,610 --> 00:37:31,560me answer your question, Tom,let me let me ask you a59200:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,040question. Because anchor is nota business. It's not a business.59300:37:36,570 --> 00:37:40,590You have a business, you andKevin have a real business? Has59400:37:40,590 --> 00:37:43,140your point is you're just if youdon't want to answer it's fine.59500:37:43,140 --> 00:37:47,100But has your plan ever been? Oris it now to achieve world59600:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,290domination and host allpodcasts?59700:37:50,490 --> 00:37:53,100No, no, no, no. As a matter offact.59800:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,470Please explain your reason.Please explain the reason for59900:38:01,470 --> 00:38:05,190your answer. Yes or no worlddomination host them all? Or60000:38:05,190 --> 00:38:10,260have a I mean, how about this?Do you plan on doubling or60100:38:10,380 --> 00:38:13,560tripling or quadrupling? Is thatin your basic plan?60200:38:15,570 --> 00:38:20,970No, we I wish. We work on aboutsix week plans. So our plans60300:38:20,970 --> 00:38:25,770aren't that elaborate, I wouldsay this, what we want to do is60400:38:25,770 --> 00:38:28,890we want to meet the valueproposition that we're saying,60500:38:28,890 --> 00:38:31,950which is we want to be theeasiest, the best way for you to60600:38:31,950 --> 00:38:34,620be able to host your podcast.But that doesn't mean that it's60700:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,930going to be the easiest and thebest for everyone. Some people60800:38:36,930 --> 00:38:39,600are going to want somethingdifferent than what we offer.60900:38:39,660 --> 00:38:41,640There'll be already already myand you already answered my61000:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,770question. It's not it's it was apure business philosophy. You61100:38:46,770 --> 00:38:48,990said no, we want it and youanswered it. No, we want to61200:38:48,990 --> 00:38:52,140provide the best value, you usethe value word in there, and61300:38:52,140 --> 00:38:54,480then in my eyes glazed over,that was all I needed to hear.61400:38:54,660 --> 00:38:57,240Because that is what you'redoing. And you're doing that.61500:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,110And you're charging peopleyou're saying, you know, here's61600:39:01,140 --> 00:39:05,130here's the value. And this iswhat we expect back. When you61700:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,210give away stuff for free. You'renever going to build any type of61800:39:09,210 --> 00:39:11,580quality. I've just, I've justseen it as your61900:39:11,580 --> 00:39:16,140training here on a backdoor wayto make money. And it drives me62000:39:16,140 --> 00:39:18,270crazy. Because we see it all thetime. Well, you know, I'm gonna62100:39:18,270 --> 00:39:20,610drop Buzzsprout because I canswitch to something for free.62200:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,800And then they'll say somethingabout oh, but anchor is not62300:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,140responding to support. Andyou're like, well, because62400:39:25,140 --> 00:39:29,550support costs money. So if weprovide the value of giving you62500:39:29,550 --> 00:39:32,850somebody on the other end ofthat email sagely can help you62600:39:32,850 --> 00:39:33,000too.62700:39:33,030 --> 00:39:37,680So believe me when I say that,in the Spotify boardroom, what62800:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,270you just said there is notdiscussed. They do not know what62900:39:42,270 --> 00:39:45,390they're doing. They don't knowwhat they're getting into. The63000:39:45,390 --> 00:39:50,640guy who actually nuke some of itis out. Excuse me. I think63100:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,190they're brought in kind of likeHollywood television executives63200:39:53,190 --> 00:39:59,820to build the business. No. Andso, my plea to the podcasting63300:39:59,820 --> 00:40:03,780world All right, let's just moveon from this move on, they don't63400:40:03,780 --> 00:40:06,060love you, they're never gonnalove you, they're never gonna63500:40:06,060 --> 00:40:09,570care about you, they will, theywill woo you, they will court63600:40:09,570 --> 00:40:15,390you, they do not care about you.We are the antithesis of these63700:40:15,390 --> 00:40:20,130companies, until they decidethat they'd like to play, then63800:40:20,130 --> 00:40:21,300we could love them63900:40:21,420 --> 00:40:24,510easily. And you could say toyou're not the customer, you're64000:40:24,510 --> 00:40:26,160not the one that they'recatering to.64100:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,940I'm not as How am I not thecustomer? For for64200:40:30,060 --> 00:40:33,540a, for a company that'sproviding a service for free?64300:40:33,630 --> 00:40:35,970That means you're not thecustomer? Because64400:40:35,970 --> 00:40:38,610if you will, Oh, yeah. Iunderstand what you're saying.64500:40:38,610 --> 00:40:39,390Yes. Okay.64600:40:39,390 --> 00:40:42,030So you have to ask the question,well, who is the customer? So64700:40:42,030 --> 00:40:45,120when you go and you look atservices in Spotify are or64800:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,660anchor, Facebook and Twitter andall these different companies64900:40:48,660 --> 00:40:51,870that you have to ask yourself,if it's free, I'm really not the65000:40:51,870 --> 00:40:53,340customer. Is the customer.65100:40:54,180 --> 00:40:57,600No one asked themselves this. Iknow, we've been saying this.65200:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,280For decades. No, we're not goingto it's not going to happen. No,65300:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,970I'm telling. So and thank you,Dave, you and I forget the word65400:41:05,970 --> 00:41:09,810you use. And you're going totell me. The guy said, well,65500:41:09,810 --> 00:41:11,880you'll never get critical mass,you know, it's never gonna65600:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,600happen. This was on Twitterexchange. And you said, we don't65700:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,280need that to be successful. Wedon't all mean, all we need is65800:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,400enough, you know, small,whatever, it doesn't even matter65900:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,820what size, who understand thevalue proposition who understand66000:41:26,820 --> 00:41:29,670how to, you know, if it's, itcan be advertising base, that's66100:41:29,670 --> 00:41:32,130fine. I prefer value for value.I think it works better, you66200:41:32,130 --> 00:41:35,250make more money, you're happier,you have no stupid meetings,66300:41:35,550 --> 00:41:38,970there's no compromise, there'sno I mean, just a few things on66400:41:38,970 --> 00:41:43,710my list. If you're worth yoursalt, you know, then you will66500:41:43,710 --> 00:41:46,440get people to support you.That's look at this, you're66600:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,720soaking in it, this projectright here, it's worth it,66700:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,570people are supporting it. That'show it works. If you don't get66800:41:51,570 --> 00:41:54,870support, your product isprobably no good. And if you're66900:41:54,870 --> 00:41:57,510not hearing people say, here'show I think you could make it67000:41:57,510 --> 00:42:00,540better, here's how I couldsupport you, et cetera, then you67100:42:00,540 --> 00:42:05,550need to be doing something else.That, you know that success that67200:42:05,550 --> 00:42:15,690we're having with less than 1%is a monumental consequence. For67300:42:15,690 --> 00:42:20,040the world. Things that podcastsare talking about are being67400:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,480distributed. It's mind viruspeople the concepts. These are67500:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,580moving from, from the you know,community Island to community or67600:42:29,580 --> 00:42:33,360tribes interacting with eachother. It's a complete new layer67700:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,750that's being built, it's nolonger about being number one.67800:42:36,750 --> 00:42:39,960And we can put this add on 10million podcast or whatever,67900:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,450they think that it's going to be50 million they want it well, I68000:42:42,450 --> 00:42:46,230don't know what they want.That's not the future.68100:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,340Podcast, the podcasts and 2.0project had zero market share.68200:42:53,790 --> 00:42:59,070Critical Mass is reallyirrelevant to adoption, the68300:42:59,310 --> 00:43:04,860podcasting 2.0 market share atall. I mean, podcasts index, as68400:43:04,860 --> 00:43:09,150as a member of the podcast in2.0 community has a budget of68500:43:09,150 --> 00:43:10,410like, you know,68600:43:10,470 --> 00:43:12,630we are more profitable thanSpotify.68700:43:13,650 --> 00:43:16,140We are we've lost less moneythan Spotify.68800:43:17,190 --> 00:43:20,670We are profitable, we are profitwe don't pay for we have no68900:43:20,670 --> 00:43:22,380employees, but we're profitable.69000:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,170But I mean, we we have zeromarket share, and the pot and69100:43:28,170 --> 00:43:35,490the podcasts and 2.0 project asa as an entity. And now to less69200:43:35,490 --> 00:43:39,390than two years later, there'shundreds of 1000s of feeds using69300:43:39,390 --> 00:43:44,610the namespace that what mattersis not the only the only time69400:43:44,610 --> 00:43:50,730that critical mass anddomination matter is from is69500:43:50,730 --> 00:43:54,810from a business monetarystandpoint, if your object and69600:43:54,810 --> 00:43:59,550your goal is to make somethingbetter, then you just make it69700:43:59,550 --> 00:44:03,240better. People will see thatit's better, and they will adopt69800:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,380it, or they won't.69900:44:04,410 --> 00:44:07,650And what's so beautiful up tothem what's so beautiful on the70000:44:07,650 --> 00:44:10,770app side of podcasting 2.0Because I know I listened to all70100:44:10,770 --> 00:44:15,570these interviews. And Oscar Maryand fountain have a very70200:44:15,570 --> 00:44:20,190different idea of what they wantto do. You can earn SATs, as you70300:44:20,190 --> 00:44:25,230know, but Oscar, very similar toMitch, they both started with70400:44:25,260 --> 00:44:28,170Well, I wanted a better way toshare clips, I wanted a better70500:44:28,170 --> 00:44:32,400way to share podcasts to helpdiscovery etc. And they both70600:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,450have come up with it entirelydifferent ways of doing that70700:44:36,450 --> 00:44:39,330what they find important. Imean, these things are very70800:44:39,330 --> 00:44:45,000personal. And people and youknow, and that's why it's so so70900:44:45,660 --> 00:44:49,680distributed. That you know likethe dog catcher app not updated71000:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,510since 2018. People are likethey're begging me. Please stop71100:44:54,510 --> 00:44:59,6102.0 I can't listen to your showin dog catcher. And it broke my71200:44:59,610 --> 00:45:02,250heart Man, he broke my heartbecause I get it. And I really,71300:45:02,250 --> 00:45:05,820really, really, really, reallytried. And you know, it's just71400:45:05,820 --> 00:45:11,160not possible what the guy isjust whatever doesn't really71500:45:11,160 --> 00:45:18,480matter. So it's not all the sameby default, the way the features71600:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,930are implemented, you know,there's so much room like value71700:45:21,930 --> 00:45:25,470for value. I never can wediscussed it, but I never really71800:45:25,470 --> 00:45:30,030expected someone to set it upwhere I'm listening to a non 2.071900:45:30,030 --> 00:45:34,050podcast, and I'm getting a setper minute that I can then spend72000:45:34,050 --> 00:45:36,390somebody I didn't come up with.I didn't think of that. You72100:45:36,390 --> 00:45:39,990know, he's a great, I don'tknow, I mean, it's great for72200:45:39,990 --> 00:45:42,540Oscar, it's great for everybodyas far as I'm concerned, but it72300:45:42,540 --> 00:45:46,020doesn't mean that you're goingto have a pod verse or curio72400:45:46,020 --> 00:45:50,490caster, or, you know, hello,antenna pod. Hello, hello, we72500:45:50,490 --> 00:45:54,210love you. Welcome. Love, right?Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,72600:45:54,210 --> 00:45:57,270and antenna pod, I know, alittle bit of antenna pods.72700:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,690Audience, I think it's astandard install on Linux, you72800:46:00,690 --> 00:46:05,100know, there's, there's all thesedifferent types of It's art.72900:46:05,940 --> 00:46:11,040It's just art and Buzzsprout hasa brand has a feel has an art as73000:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,680they portrayed themselves, andyou know what you're going to73100:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,790expect. So that's, that's what Ilove about it. No one really can73200:46:17,820 --> 00:46:21,960ever have it all. Because we'velearned very early on, you're73300:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,300going after this type ofcustomer, they need a lot more73400:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,250hand holding this type ofcustomer need a lot of73500:46:26,250 --> 00:46:29,370bandwidth. You know, this typeof customers, you know, they're73600:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,490never, they're never gonna getpast the test free tier,73700:46:32,490 --> 00:46:35,850whatever. That's your business.And you know, the business plan73800:46:35,850 --> 00:46:39,360requires having all of thosecustomers or it requires73900:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,270domination or if it requiresthat, then it's just not a great74000:46:42,270 --> 00:46:50,430plan. Like Silicon Valley plan.Yes, exactly. It's not I think74100:46:50,460 --> 00:46:53,370if I think about every hostingcompany that we've had guests on74200:46:53,370 --> 00:46:59,970the show, you guys, Castillo's,blueberry transistor, Captivate74300:47:00,330 --> 00:47:04,650every one of these. I mean, whenwe asked our assist icon, when74400:47:04,650 --> 00:47:09,030we asked Castillo's, what yourcustomers like, who, what what's74500:47:09,030 --> 00:47:13,890your, what is your niche? What'syour stake? They told us, they74600:47:13,890 --> 00:47:16,470said, We're going after thistype of customer. Yeah, we asked74700:47:16,470 --> 00:47:18,930our sis.com they're going we'regoing after this type of74800:47:18,930 --> 00:47:22,740customer, this is, this is ourplan. Buzzsprout can tell you74900:47:22,740 --> 00:47:26,370their plan. Everybody has aplan, except when you get to a75000:47:26,370 --> 00:47:29,550certain scale, like Mike wastalking about in the Silicon75100:47:29,550 --> 00:47:32,100Valley model. There's no plananymore, the plan is just75200:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,680dominate, make as much money aspossible and get the heck out of75300:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,280dodge exactly any kind of don't,you're gonna fail, right? Like75400:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,280if you don't, that's, that's thecritical mass you're talking75500:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,070about. That's why they have tocritical mass because there is75600:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,560no model that's going to workother than75700:47:46,590 --> 00:47:49,110deliberately, but they haven't.But here's the here's, again,75800:47:49,110 --> 00:47:51,930the thing, Apple is criticalmass of something that makes no75900:47:51,930 --> 00:47:55,350money for them. Spotify ascritical mass of something that76000:47:55,350 --> 00:48:00,060is not profitable for them. Youknow, they couldn't they don't76100:48:00,060 --> 00:48:04,410even publish the numbers. Youknow, they say, and, and just76200:48:04,410 --> 00:48:09,720from a value proposition, youknow, all the minute you sign76300:48:09,720 --> 00:48:14,190the agreement with Spotify? Yes,please take my podcast. They76400:48:14,190 --> 00:48:17,880already are taking everythingthey have about your audience.76500:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,730They have a whole bunch. They'renot shared, not sharing that76600:48:20,730 --> 00:48:24,030nice partners. You know, it'slike sign this, you can do76700:48:24,030 --> 00:48:27,690nothing, we can do everything.You have to tell us about any76800:48:27,690 --> 00:48:32,280ads, you're running, you know,we, and they're probably already76900:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,330monetizing to a very smalldegree. subscribers who get no77000:48:36,330 --> 00:48:39,660ads who just listened to youliterally gave money to Spotify.77100:48:40,350 --> 00:48:43,260And they gave you nothing, noteven a promise of something.77200:48:44,250 --> 00:48:47,460So what's what's a positivespin? How do we turn with a77300:48:47,460 --> 00:48:50,940positive? The pause my able tomake? Am I able to make a board?77400:48:51,450 --> 00:48:57,390Movement? Oh, yeah. How do wehave a positive? How do we turn77500:48:57,390 --> 00:48:58,860this into a positiveconversation? Right, like I77600:48:58,860 --> 00:49:04,260hate, hate, just focusing on itbecause I there is like, like, I77700:49:04,260 --> 00:49:06,600think you were kind of alludingto earlier, I think there is a77800:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,610positive that comes from this isa little bit of the shininess of77900:49:11,610 --> 00:49:14,550Spotify as being like people arestarting to smell Wait a minute,78000:49:14,550 --> 00:49:18,120they said what, wait, they saidthat RSS is you know, dead that78100:49:18,510 --> 00:49:21,720what they said, you know, so Ithink there is a positive that78200:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,250may be podcasters are going tostart to see, wait a minute,78300:49:26,250 --> 00:49:29,430this isn't good for a company tosay things like that. And78400:49:29,610 --> 00:49:32,400there's something positive thatcomes out when people begin to78500:49:32,430 --> 00:49:35,850be more selective in which wherethey're sending people to listen78600:49:35,850 --> 00:49:36,630to their shows.78700:49:38,610 --> 00:49:43,170That's one way of looking at it.I wish the motion was for78800:49:43,170 --> 00:49:51,360positive emotion. No, no, I havepositive I have positive and I78900:49:51,360 --> 00:49:58,230wish no one ill at all. But thegood news is within an X amount79000:49:58,230 --> 00:50:01,560of time and I am not going topredict didn't, I can't but I'll79100:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,810know when it's coming. And itmay be sooner than we think.79200:50:04,260 --> 00:50:07,080There will be no competitionfrom Spotify and probably not79300:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,650much from Apple. It's just notin the cart or from anybody,79400:50:10,650 --> 00:50:14,580they're all going to give up onit. There's history here.79500:50:14,730 --> 00:50:19,470Certainly with RSS, there'sthere's just history here. Lots79600:50:19,470 --> 00:50:20,610of it. And79700:50:21,330 --> 00:50:23,760I think that's a key, you know,because because we've seen,79800:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,610we've seen other companies tryto take over RSS and79900:50:27,150 --> 00:50:31,380Twitter, use Twitter use Twitteruse to have RSS feeds, they used80000:50:31,380 --> 00:50:35,070to have a very active developercommunity until they couldn't80100:50:35,070 --> 00:50:38,520monetize it. So they said, Oh,thanks, developers, for helping80200:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,480us actually actually didn't likethe hashtag was as important as80300:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,050the booster gram. That's a tshirt. The booster gram is as80400:50:46,050 --> 00:50:50,340important as the hashtag. Thenew hashtag is booster gram,80500:50:50,370 --> 00:50:55,530okay, I can go on forever. Theand then said, You know what,80600:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,530thanks, screw you we want tocontrol we have to control the80700:50:58,530 --> 00:51:02,160look and feel we have to controlthe experience. And look, and80800:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,870now look where they are. Lookwhere they are. So they went80900:51:06,900 --> 00:51:09,930kind of that route, like thanksfor dropping RSS, we don't care81000:51:09,930 --> 00:51:11,640about it. And they werepublishing RSS, it was81100:51:11,640 --> 00:51:12,420fantastic.81200:51:13,110 --> 00:51:17,580I think a positive thing wouldbe that it lights a fire under81300:51:17,580 --> 00:51:22,920me to get the index into as manyother places as possible.81400:51:24,330 --> 00:51:27,960Because if you have any, if youhave multiple if you have81500:51:28,590 --> 00:51:33,480multiple or one big entity outthere trying to do a proprietary81600:51:33,480 --> 00:51:40,710thing, to in order to control anindustry, your best your best81700:51:40,710 --> 00:51:46,740defense and your best counter tothat is to be more open. Even81800:51:46,740 --> 00:51:50,040more always, the answer is likeit's like when you're all you81900:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,080have is an area when you all youhave is a hammer, everything82000:51:52,080 --> 00:51:59,520looks like a nail. That the theanswer to, to coming after82100:52:00,540 --> 00:52:04,560system of systems, the answer toproprietary Enos is always more82200:52:04,560 --> 00:52:12,000open. And so if we can get theindex, even even better, even82300:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,000freer, even more open, that isthe way to do it. Because as82400:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,280more people put their podcast onsomething like anchor, and then82500:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,490they get and they don't enablean RSS feed. And then they go82600:52:26,490 --> 00:52:31,530out and they try to listen totheir podcast on some sort of82700:52:31,530 --> 00:52:34,140Alexa device or something likethat, and it doesn't show up.82800:52:34,710 --> 00:52:39,510They're gonna wonder why. Andthe answer to that is, we need82900:52:39,510 --> 00:52:43,350to put the index into all ofthose things. We need to put83000:52:43,350 --> 00:52:45,540them into smart speakers. Weneed to put them into cars, we83100:52:45,540 --> 00:52:46,800need to put the index in83200:52:47,640 --> 00:52:54,030place. I'm laughing at you. Whyexact conversations we've had83300:52:54,030 --> 00:52:58,800with people. Yes, yes, yeah, weput it in his car speakers, and83400:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,040you put it in smart speakers andyou put it in another big83500:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,800podcast app? Yeah, all thesethings. I guess, I guess what83600:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,100I'm saying is, we don't have toworry about it, it doesn't83700:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,800matter. It'll take we don't haveto pay it, you know, you're not83800:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,680to be looking over yourshoulder. They're not coming.83900:53:13,980 --> 00:53:16,230It's not going to happen. Theydon't have the vision, they84000:53:16,230 --> 00:53:19,980don't have the talent. Theydon't they don't understand the84100:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,220history. They don't understandopen, they don't understand84200:53:23,220 --> 00:53:26,550decentralized they don'tunderstand that these types of84300:53:26,550 --> 00:53:31,320decentralized systems are notdesigned to be centralized. So84400:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,750they're going to build acentralized system, and I'm84500:53:33,750 --> 00:53:36,510really not worried about thatthey're running out of money.84600:53:36,510 --> 00:53:41,070All the data says no, I'm notworried. I84700:53:41,070 --> 00:53:44,970do like, you know, somethingwe've talked about is, you know,84800:53:45,660 --> 00:53:51,180how we get more people aware ofwhat what podcast index and84900:53:51,180 --> 00:53:55,470podcasting 2.0 And we've talkedabout using language like, this85000:53:55,470 --> 00:53:57,870is a podcast standard, and85100:53:57,900 --> 00:54:01,830we kicked it off and that wentnowhere. Tom, Dave and I were85200:54:01,830 --> 00:54:03,690using that that terminology.85300:54:04,710 --> 00:54:07,230And you kicked it off and it waswe were talking85400:54:07,230 --> 00:54:10,650about it we use it on the show Iuse it in the intro the podcast85500:54:10,650 --> 00:54:14,850standard. It has that podcaststandard that name Yeah, it has85600:54:14,850 --> 00:54:20,130no uptake. And I appreciate whatyou're saying and I'm gonna shut85700:54:20,130 --> 00:54:23,430up in a minute but I haven'tspoken to anyone for for two85800:54:23,430 --> 00:54:28,170weeks. I missed I missed85900:54:28,530 --> 00:54:30,060your life. You've missed a boardmeeting.86000:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,650Well, I didn't miss it. I washere.86100:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,170And then emotion emotionally86200:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,710Oh big time emotionally youlonged for it. Yeah. Very86300:54:37,710 --> 00:54:42,120emotional. Gosh, what are wetalking about you about you86400:54:42,120 --> 00:54:42,360talking86500:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,880about me? Language likepodcasting?86600:54:44,910 --> 00:54:47,460Oh yeah, no, I rememberMarketing Marketing Marketing86700:54:47,490 --> 00:54:53,370Marketing here we go. I'm notconvinced I'm willing to be86800:54:53,370 --> 00:54:56,700couldn't be convinced. I'm notconvinced podcasts. index.org86900:54:56,910 --> 00:55:00,660matters. If anything. You know,I don't I think it should be a87000:55:00,660 --> 00:55:04,680landing place. I don't want it.You know, that's what Apple was,87100:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,570oh, you know, one of the badpodcasts and got Apple, they'll87200:55:06,570 --> 00:55:10,290tell you where to go that No, Ithink that everyone has their87300:55:10,290 --> 00:55:14,250own marketing. Everyone hastheir own vision, as long as we87400:55:14,250 --> 00:55:18,690all adhere to the standard, aswell. And, you know, it's like,87500:55:18,810 --> 00:55:21,120I get all kinds of messages fromapp developers. Well, that guy's87600:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,090doing that that way. What do youthink? You know, it's not for me87700:55:24,090 --> 00:55:29,460to think we just try tofacilitate and you know, if87800:55:29,460 --> 00:55:31,890there's something that someonewants to do with an API call,87900:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,100there's no, there's no need forthe marketing, look at what88000:55:35,100 --> 00:55:40,830we've done with zero to negativemarketing. We started with very88100:55:40,830 --> 00:55:44,100negative marketing, because, youknow, Oh, would you want freedom88200:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,850of speech? I must be a bunch ofwhite nationalists over there.88300:55:48,090 --> 00:55:51,000You know, so negative, like LeoLaporte, we have negative88400:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,790marketing, and it's unstoppable.So and also, you have to have88500:55:56,940 --> 00:56:00,930massive patience with thesekinds of things. It's never88600:56:00,990 --> 00:56:04,350this is what this is what Iwould try to accomplish only for88700:56:04,350 --> 00:56:07,710the purpose of the the averagepodcast, you're not the hosts.88800:56:07,860 --> 00:56:12,960But think it drives me crazy.When I see people talking about88900:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,310like IRB, like they know, like,podcasters know what the IRB is,89000:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,470the IRB, I don't think isrelevant to the majority of89100:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,770podcasters. And yet, they'reaware that, oh, there's this89200:56:25,770 --> 00:56:28,740standard, and it provides sometype of credibility. And so they89300:56:28,740 --> 00:56:31,950use this language. And what Iwant to do is I want to, I want89400:56:31,950 --> 00:56:34,260to take advantage of whatever'sdriving that why is it the89500:56:34,260 --> 00:56:38,040podcasters are aware of IABstandards and IB compliance?89600:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,620How, how are they aware of that?And oh, I can tell you, I get89700:56:40,620 --> 00:56:44,250them to start saying thingslike, oh, I want to use this89800:56:44,250 --> 00:56:47,940host because they followed thepodcast standards. Nowhere. You89900:56:47,940 --> 00:56:49,980know what I mean, trying tobuild that kind of brand.90000:56:50,010 --> 00:56:52,560Somehow IBM has done it. Iwanted to be able to do it.90100:56:52,590 --> 00:56:56,280Yeah, for one reason, ay ay b isin the money flow. If you if,90200:56:56,430 --> 00:56:58,890look how many people on thepodcasters know that. I mean, I90300:56:58,890 --> 00:57:03,330got a lot of people when peoplewant to make money, they learn90400:57:03,330 --> 00:57:06,690about value for value chaptersis not value for value90500:57:06,690 --> 00:57:11,460transcripts is not value forvalue. Money, value for value.90600:57:11,550 --> 00:57:14,310That's what attracts people.That's what every single show90700:57:14,310 --> 00:57:17,550was about every PodcastMovement, every podcast show,90800:57:17,820 --> 00:57:20,670everything is about money.That's the number that's why I90900:57:20,670 --> 00:57:23,310don't go I'm going this yearbecause everyone says you got to91000:57:23,310 --> 00:57:26,370go. So Dave and I are going todo is you're going to speak and91100:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,970I'm gonna start off with 15minutes. You're here to learn91200:57:29,970 --> 00:57:33,240how you make money, how you canmake a living out of this. Don't91300:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,900lie. That's why you're here. Ihave 14 minutes left to tell you91400:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,570and then Dave's going to explainall the groovy shit underneath91500:57:39,570 --> 00:57:43,920and around it and the namespace,etc. That's the honest truth.91600:57:44,190 --> 00:57:47,580That's why people know about Ayay ay ay ay ay ay b. That's why91700:57:47,580 --> 00:57:53,400they know about Dai. That's whythey know about LMNOP. It's all91800:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,540about money. That's why peopleare interested in Spotify. Oh,91900:57:57,540 --> 00:58:01,530if I miss that, there's yourSIOP right there. Whoa, Joe92000:58:01,530 --> 00:58:03,990Rogan got 200 million, maybeI'll get discovered if my92100:58:03,990 --> 00:58:10,080podcasts on Spotify. That's,that's dangerous to them,92200:58:10,110 --> 00:58:13,200because people eventually willcome back to if there's a really92300:58:13,200 --> 00:58:18,420good advertising solution.People will migrate towards92400:58:18,420 --> 00:58:21,420that. I'm not sure I don't knowanything about it. But when I92500:58:21,420 --> 00:58:26,160hear Todd talking about what hedoes for blueberry and with92600:58:26,340 --> 00:58:29,310people who want to make moneyduring advertising, how he92700:58:29,310 --> 00:58:33,060shepherds him through that seemslike a very tiresome process,92800:58:33,060 --> 00:58:40,830but that's his business. Otherswill do. You know, insertion.92900:58:41,190 --> 00:58:45,420And eventually, once we sort outthe legalities of it and the or93000:58:45,420 --> 00:58:50,880I should say the responsibilityand liability hosting companies93100:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,010will start providing value forvalue services helipad will be93200:58:56,010 --> 00:58:59,490integrated, you'll integrateinto anyone's existing wallet.93300:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,120That's how the marketing works.That's what people care about93400:59:03,150 --> 00:59:03,780money.93500:59:06,210 --> 00:59:12,630Did you know that? And I learnedthis from Kevin, I think that93600:59:12,630 --> 00:59:15,480people show up at PodcastMovement, and they've never93700:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,960podcasted before they show theybuy tickets and go to Podcast93800:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,110Movement. Because they launchedthey've never learned that93900:59:22,110 --> 00:59:23,670because they're thinking about94000:59:23,790 --> 00:59:26,100generalizing. I'm generalizing,obviously.94100:59:26,670 --> 00:59:28,440Now I'm just saying that was aninteresting thing to me. I94200:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,030didn't know that. Oh, that wouldspend that much money to go are94300:59:33,030 --> 00:59:35,190wanting to make moneypodcasting. That's what they're94400:59:35,190 --> 00:59:38,640wanting to do. That's theirgoal. But I thought it was very,94500:59:39,420 --> 00:59:43,110very interesting that you havepeople willing to spend that94600:59:43,110 --> 00:59:46,380much money and go to that muchlength. No, I mean, I've never94700:59:46,380 --> 00:59:47,670they've never even done it yet.94800:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,820I know lots of people who havegone to a ham radio convention94900:59:50,820 --> 00:59:54,000to learn and to talk to peoplebefore they purchased their95000:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,570first rig or before they wentinto the course the testing95100:59:57,570 --> 00:59:57,960that's95200:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,960the example right? It's like theham radio. It's a hobby. It's95301:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,210something that they're excitedabout. They're interested in95401:00:03,210 --> 01:00:05,070these people spend money ontheir hobbies. And I think95501:00:05,070 --> 01:00:05,460that's95601:00:05,580 --> 01:00:09,540yeah. And I agree, I think thatbut again, I was generalizing,95701:00:09,540 --> 01:00:12,690but I was responding to Tom'scomment. You know, why do people95801:00:12,690 --> 01:00:16,500know about IAB? Well, they knowabout it because they need to95901:00:16,500 --> 01:00:19,200know how they can make money.And they need to know where they96001:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,700can make money. And, and I'msure that once the hosting96101:00:23,700 --> 01:00:27,180companies are comfortable withit, they will start integrating96201:00:27,180 --> 01:00:31,410value for value services. Andwe'll be off to the races there96301:00:31,410 --> 01:00:36,540will be no looking back. Exceptto see the trail of gold96401:00:36,540 --> 01:00:42,660doubloons pooping out of ourbutts of money. Here's here's96501:00:42,660 --> 01:00:45,210your marketing. Hi, I'm Adamcurry come make money96601:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,560that's the name of the that'sthe name of the talk. What come96701:00:58,770 --> 01:01:08,250Sure, okay. All right. Yeah.Other stuff has happened besides96801:01:08,250 --> 01:01:12,810just people writing and that wasa big that was a big one.96901:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,960Do you want do you want to thanka few people and then continues?97001:01:16,350 --> 01:01:18,660We've been getting a lot ofboosted Graham's let me let me97101:01:18,660 --> 01:01:24,180do the light. Sir Spencer 69 Sixand I don't know about you all,97201:01:24,180 --> 01:01:30,780but I've never heard of IA D inmy life. Rubery 10,000 is a six97301:01:30,810 --> 01:01:34,080Satoshis never done a dogcatcher before but I do one.97401:01:34,110 --> 01:01:39,060Okay. We got the comedy crew outtoday. Dred Scott with a pair of97501:01:39,060 --> 01:01:48,150one Oh, Nines cast peatland witha 3690 nice show. Chat F 33 33397601:01:48,180 --> 01:01:55,680Dred Scott 3334 He says no oneset booths here. A 33,333 from97701:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,190Spencer death to the uselessmiddlemen and suits Long live97801:01:59,190 --> 01:02:03,240podcasting. 2.0 Spotify is ashit coin. Okay, it's going97901:02:03,240 --> 01:02:03,720viral.98001:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,020We're stretching the message,lengthen the TLV there98101:02:07,109 --> 01:02:14,51913 337 From sup Yo sup? With ahaxor boost. See Brooklyn see98201:02:14,519 --> 01:02:18,419Brooklyn 112 Is that CarolynBlaney? Was thinking I think98301:02:19,409 --> 01:02:26,90925,000 SATs Thank you.Ambitious. Episode 93. That's98401:02:26,909 --> 01:02:30,719three times three divided bythree. It's a sign. That's98501:02:30,719 --> 01:02:33,239right. It means you have to beboosting. Exactly. And he did98601:02:33,239 --> 01:02:37,319just that. Appreciate it. DredScott 5000 kick as we kicked off98701:02:37,319 --> 01:02:42,839the show, here we go. He saidDred Scott was another 33,33398801:02:42,839 --> 01:02:49,589with a pre show boost metus 6543Hey booster. And then Tom98901:02:49,589 --> 01:02:54,329Starkweather with 5000 Thank youfor your courage. And I think99001:02:54,329 --> 01:02:57,179that that gets us all the way tothe end. We really appreciate99101:02:57,179 --> 01:03:04,829that. And I would like to notethat I heard this on pod land I99201:03:04,829 --> 01:03:07,109guess somewhere there's aleaderboard of who was supported99301:03:07,109 --> 01:03:12,599podcast the most and fountainand Nova forget who it was but99401:03:12,599 --> 01:03:18,389someone had sent a booster gramto mo facts 1.7 million Satoshis99501:03:19,109 --> 01:03:24,989nice and that and that basicallymade the news and made the news99601:03:24,989 --> 01:03:28,289did it did it was like it was aseparate item like holy crap.99701:03:28,289 --> 01:03:31,019Look at this, you know, that'sunbelievable. And I want to say99801:03:31,019 --> 01:03:34,949yes, in fact, we're running intoa small problem where we you99901:03:34,949 --> 01:03:37,979know, it used to be Hey, man, ifsomeone's really popular open up100001:03:37,979 --> 01:03:41,819a million sat channel. I mean,we got to open up two to 5100101:03:41,819 --> 01:03:43,709million sat channels with somepeople100201:03:44,069 --> 01:03:47,489just the route ATAR gave us a 5million said boost.100301:03:47,549 --> 01:03:53,309Exactly. It took me about eightdays to remaster rebalance and100401:03:53,309 --> 01:03:57,119Helen a note in case you don'twant to do that again.100501:03:58,590 --> 01:04:00,360Tim Tim fell off the bed100601:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,360I probably tried to balance hebalanced probably some of it it100701:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,360was very now I will say Iappreciate some of those like100801:04:09,780 --> 01:04:16,080Citadel who in bitcoin cash istrash those two nodes of 10100901:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,020million SATs opened usappreciate it because that's101001:04:19,020 --> 01:04:22,830what I used to do the thebalancing so that was in the end101101:04:22,830 --> 01:04:26,100then they made money on that.They made money on that balance.101201:04:27,240 --> 01:04:33,240Oh, but but when I just I heardI heard Todd Cochran you're101301:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,080talking Rob Greenlee just goingon about the lit tag and how101401:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,380cool it was and you know he'sreading booster grams101501:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,260booster grams on the researchYes, I'm101601:04:43,259 --> 01:04:47,639crying I'm at home I'm justtears rolling down my cheeks.101701:04:47,639 --> 01:04:51,809I'm like, I can't just allhappens. This all happens at the101801:04:51,809 --> 01:04:56,219same time. Like we get this likebig attention to 2.0 and then101901:04:56,489 --> 01:05:00,449all my favorite all my favoriteshows. You know the They're102001:05:00,479 --> 01:05:06,029doing booster grams isbeautiful. I mean, it's take102101:05:06,059 --> 01:05:11,219we're off, you know, just addmore water. That's it. We're102201:05:11,429 --> 01:05:12,359doing well.102301:05:12,899 --> 01:05:15,479While we're doing well on theboost, we get zero pay pals.102401:05:15,749 --> 01:05:20,189I just spent 10 years and $65million of investors money at102501:05:20,189 --> 01:05:26,969pod show and bvo. Literally, Ihave like one share in Lucite to102601:05:26,969 --> 01:05:33,119show for it. Well, you know,it's like, and no success. I102701:05:33,119 --> 01:05:35,279mean, it wasn't a matter of thatwe lost the money, but there's102801:05:35,279 --> 01:05:39,479no success. And we just we justhave success. I'm very proud of102901:05:39,479 --> 01:05:39,839us.103001:05:42,570 --> 01:05:45,690Yeah, we get, we get zero paypals, but we got103101:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,860I'm not proud of that unless wegot a lot of boosts. We got a103201:05:49,860 --> 01:05:52,530lot of boosts and Satoshis. AndI'm very proud of it103301:05:52,740 --> 01:05:57,330is my fault and went on vacationlast week. And yeah,103401:05:57,330 --> 01:06:00,900and that's crazy. What happenslaw. So I did want to remind103501:06:00,900 --> 01:06:03,510everybody, and I'll probably dothis as part of our talk, Dave,103601:06:04,260 --> 01:06:07,890if you want to have a successfulpodcast, okay. People say what103701:06:07,890 --> 01:06:10,500is the what is what should Ireally make sure I do?103801:06:11,970 --> 01:06:14,640Show up at the same time everyweek. Yeah. And we and we103901:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,930kind of broke that rule becausewe didn't prepare people. I104001:06:18,930 --> 01:06:24,030don't think I certainly didn't.I didn't think about it and post104101:06:24,030 --> 01:06:30,180and tweet about it not enough.And it breaks people. Yeah, it104201:06:30,180 --> 01:06:32,850really does. It breaks thereespecially Fridays, you know,104301:06:32,850 --> 01:06:36,180people just like Oh, what am Igot? I've had with podcast like104401:06:36,180 --> 01:06:40,680pod land. If, if that doesn'tshow up, and I don't know that,104501:06:40,920 --> 01:06:46,560what the reason is? I'm out ofsorts. Yeah, I hate to say it.104601:06:47,460 --> 01:06:49,680But it's my fault. It's myfault. Because104701:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,890it's No, it's not your fault.No, no, no, no, no, it's not104801:06:52,890 --> 01:06:53,940because we did104901:06:53,940 --> 01:06:56,850not. We didn't even on Friday, Ididn't even know that we're105001:06:56,850 --> 01:07:00,360gonna go on vacation then nextweek. No, we, you know, we105101:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,000decided over the weekend. AndI'm like, oh,105201:07:03,029 --> 01:07:04,979no, it's not. It's not aproblem. I'm just saying,105301:07:05,009 --> 01:07:08,549there's my advice. Always. Itdoesn't matter if you're doing105401:07:08,609 --> 01:07:12,059and this gets broken all thetime. Mo fax is notorious. I'm105501:07:12,059 --> 01:07:14,489like, you're really hurting theshow. And he's got other stuff105601:07:14,489 --> 01:07:16,619going on. It's like, okay, just,I'm just gonna say it every105701:07:16,619 --> 01:07:21,299single time. If you can't do iton the same day, then it's just105801:07:21,299 --> 01:07:25,529going to hurt. And it does. So.Anyway, there's my advice.105901:07:26,790 --> 01:07:35,910And talk. Talk Id heard. Heard,Chef. Yes, thank you. But we did106001:07:35,910 --> 01:07:39,900get lots of booths. Like, nice.We do need to have this106101:07:39,900 --> 01:07:42,390discussion, though. I mean,like, there has to be a boost.106201:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,330We're gonna have to implementsome sort of limit because106301:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,6301000 Satoshi caught off is mywas my thinking.106401:07:49,410 --> 01:07:54,780Is that okay, source Okay, fromso from now on. 1000 That's106501:07:54,780 --> 01:07:55,560gotta be the cut106601:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,550to be read on the show. I mean,the red doesn't mean that. And106701:07:59,550 --> 01:08:02,250by the way, that doesn't meanthat that we won't grab106801:08:02,250 --> 01:08:04,920something that was really funnyor whatever. That might have106901:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,850been a fountain comment or heknows it's not like we ignore107001:08:08,850 --> 01:08:12,540it. There's like no agenda under$50. Now we literally just we107101:08:12,570 --> 01:08:16,080the whole show would be donationshow. There's already a lot107201:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,940yeah, you know, that's why wemade three and a half107301:08:17,940 --> 01:08:19,320hours are in longer. Yeah.107401:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,420But people don't seem to mindonce you set the the level107501:08:25,260 --> 01:08:29,940we got elite boost from Sirlurks a lot. 1337 from fountain107601:08:29,940 --> 01:08:32,280he says I strongly believe thatthere should be a concerted107701:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,980effort to bring open sourcedevelopers into the value for107801:08:34,980 --> 01:08:39,030value Zeitgeist. That's a goodword. Yes. In concert with in107901:08:39,030 --> 01:08:41,340concert with teaching podcastersabout the values of the open108001:08:41,340 --> 01:08:45,630source ethos, free Libra opensource software needs solutions108101:08:45,630 --> 01:08:49,320to their own issues, findingways to get value back for their108201:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,880often Herculean efforts for thecommunity. I see this as all108301:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,850connected, closing the feedbackcircle and putting faith in your108401:08:56,850 --> 01:08:59,790audience are users cosmic stuff,pew, pew, pew,108501:08:59,790 --> 01:09:02,880pew pew pew. I agree. And therewas somebody the other day who108601:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,870posted on Twitter, and everyonecan participate in this everyone108701:09:06,870 --> 01:09:09,360who's who's listening, who's nota developer if you want to help108801:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,380out podcasting 2.0 When you seesomeone saying like, Hey, man,108901:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,370you know, these apps don't evenhave the basics. You know, it's109001:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,100just a non starter, they're notready for primetime.109101:09:21,900 --> 01:09:24,660So these are my favorite. Thisis my favorite. They suck.109201:09:26,310 --> 01:09:30,090Yeah, that's, that's, I've heardthat one too. You know, what's,109301:09:30,660 --> 01:09:33,810what's great is when you say,hey, you know what, I'm sure the109401:09:33,810 --> 01:09:36,690developers would love to hearfrom you. And, you know, if you109501:09:36,690 --> 01:09:40,440can, if you can figure out howto communicate with them. You109601:09:40,440 --> 01:09:43,560might even get some stuff inthere that you really want that109701:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,140you wanted. In addition, notjust to fix but you know,109801:09:46,350 --> 01:09:49,590something that that you you canhave a direct pipeline into the109901:09:49,590 --> 01:09:53,490software you're using. Howfantastic is that?110001:09:54,330 --> 01:09:58,050Creators of things love to hearfear. Developers love to hear110101:09:58,050 --> 01:10:01,380feedback. Yeah, and they evenlove it even more when you're110201:10:01,380 --> 01:10:02,310not a jackass.110301:10:03,090 --> 01:10:07,590Exactly, exactly. So So forinstance, what does not work110401:10:07,590 --> 01:10:13,440with me is I was I was justdeciding how much to send you.110501:10:13,590 --> 01:10:16,800But then you said this now Idon't even know if I can send it110601:10:16,800 --> 01:10:17,340at all.110701:10:18,900 --> 01:10:21,900In an amazing that you caughtthem right at the moment of the110801:10:21,900 --> 01:10:24,150shrine of trying to decide whathow much to send.110901:10:24,210 --> 01:10:27,150It's like I blew it, man. I'm sosorry.111001:10:28,680 --> 01:10:34,500Timing. Mary, Mary Oscar alsoknown as Oscar Marius, and it's111101:10:34,500 --> 01:10:37,23020,000 SATs through fountain andhe says, I love the idea of a111201:10:37,230 --> 01:10:43,890podcasting. 2.0 hackathon. Yes,Tom? Would Buzzsprout support111301:10:43,890 --> 01:10:48,120some sort of hackathon? Heckyeah. With it with a cash prize?111401:10:48,600 --> 01:10:54,450Cash with a real revisit to theto the Buzzsprout mothership.111501:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,140Yeah, I do think we need atighter window though. Like the111601:10:58,140 --> 01:10:58,470idea of111701:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,410you know, I think cash prizeman, I'm sorry, Tom, but111801:11:02,820 --> 01:11:05,880I know you don't think openingup our offices and letting bad111901:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,420idea bro bad idea. That willgive him 30 minutes in a112001:11:09,420 --> 01:11:10,200recording studio.112101:11:11,370 --> 01:11:14,370Now, none of that's a good idea.Cash Money money.112201:11:14,940 --> 01:11:18,390What do you what do you thinkwould like, like, three months?112301:11:18,540 --> 01:11:21,570I was thinking like a 90 dayjust seems saying Oh, don't112401:11:21,780 --> 01:11:22,170really112501:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,450hold on? Hold on. Hold on. Letme think112601:11:24,540 --> 01:11:26,760it depends on how tight we canwe can come up with the112701:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,610requirements of whatever thehackathon is. What do you what112801:11:29,610 --> 01:11:34,200do you think? What, what kind ofmy thought initially was okay.112901:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,910Some kind of wide open thingthat says it can be anything as113001:11:38,910 --> 01:11:41,790long as it supports a podcasting2.0 feature?113101:11:42,180 --> 01:11:44,760Well, we can put together aprize package and here's what113201:11:44,760 --> 01:11:50,850I'd say. I'll bet I can get aTexas slim top hand beef box.113301:11:51,330 --> 01:11:57,720Nice. I'll bet I can get someCBD products. I'll bet me the113401:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,750whole we can just look to thepeople who already have great,113501:12:00,990 --> 01:12:04,530great stuff that kind of circlearound us and we'll just ask113601:12:04,530 --> 01:12:05,610them to springboard.113701:12:05,610 --> 01:12:13,140They will want the bus prop bus.I bet I could get it. That's113801:12:13,140 --> 01:12:13,950like one Satoshi.113901:12:14,460 --> 01:12:18,000Man. How about a free year afree year. But you know what I114001:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,330think just the beef box byitself would probably be a draw.114101:12:21,420 --> 01:12:23,850That's like a $275 Beef box.114201:12:24,629 --> 01:12:28,349madeiros from Casitas will giveyou 30 minutes of personalized114301:12:28,349 --> 01:12:32,699WordPress development advice.That's engeman Richardson from114401:12:32,699 --> 01:12:35,609rss.com. We'll let you come overto his house and he'll grill out114501:12:35,609 --> 01:12:36,359in his backyard for114601:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,250you. Are they texting you? Whatare you doing right now?114701:12:39,570 --> 01:12:42,270No, I'm just I'm brainstorming.They don't get any input on114801:12:42,270 --> 01:12:44,280this. I just get to promisethings and they have to do it.114901:12:45,630 --> 01:12:50,370curdling will throw some shrimpon the barbie. Now you go. I115001:12:50,370 --> 01:12:52,980know how much Australians hatethat because they don't throw115101:12:52,980 --> 01:12:56,820shrimp on the barbie. They hateit.115201:12:57,450 --> 01:13:00,120Okay, we got to this idea isimportant. We got we got to do115301:13:00,120 --> 01:13:01,260this. We got to flesh it out.115401:13:01,290 --> 01:13:07,110Okay, so I will work on the giftbox on the hacker box with some115501:13:07,110 --> 01:13:09,990cash prizes. And then and I doagree with Tom, I think we115601:13:09,990 --> 01:13:14,100should have a tighter timeline.I think we should make Yeah. And115701:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,250when do we do it? You know,maybe near the end of the summer115801:13:17,250 --> 01:13:20,940or obviously I think thedepression will kick in probably115901:13:20,940 --> 01:13:26,160around November. So maybe whenwinter is a winner when people116001:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,420who can't afford heat. You know,so that's a huddle by their116101:13:30,420 --> 01:13:31,830mining machines. And there116201:13:32,310 --> 01:13:36,690is the motion for positivity. Isthat still gonna? No? Sorry.116301:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,560Germans run out of Germans runout of Russian gas and December116401:13:43,590 --> 01:13:45,930and we give them longer becausetheir fingers are really cold.116501:13:45,930 --> 01:13:46,980They will be able to tie verywhen116601:13:46,980 --> 01:13:50,520the Prime Minister of Italy justresigned. So that's only the116701:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,690largest economy in the EU zone.I mean, what could possibly116801:13:54,690 --> 01:13:57,570happen in the next couple ofmonths? I don't see any issues116901:13:57,570 --> 01:13:58,020at all.117001:14:00,120 --> 01:14:05,160Okay, Todd from NorthernVirginia. Not sure I know. Todd117101:14:05,160 --> 01:14:14,040is 11 se as a row 111 111. So11,111 Breeze. He says love the117201:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,980hackathon idea as long as theparticipants are named Curry's117301:14:16,980 --> 01:14:18,300kids, Adam camp.117401:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,550Oh, no. There you go. They knowwhat am I talking about? It's so117501:14:23,550 --> 01:14:29,160obvious. Okay. Besides thelovely Texas slim top hand beef117601:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,750box besides the CBD products Ihave, I have all kinds of great117701:14:33,750 --> 01:14:37,440stuff. We got some challengecoins we'll throw in. But we117801:14:37,440 --> 01:14:43,620will have the vote done by thepodcast into 2.0 community with117901:14:43,620 --> 01:14:49,380a leaderboard. Where you donate,you push that your vote is your118001:14:49,380 --> 01:14:50,850your Satoshis or your vote118101:14:52,110 --> 01:14:55,230and put a hashtag it's some sortof hashtag in it or something so118201:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,690that gets automatically countedand updated on the leaderboard118301:14:57,690 --> 01:15:00,690and there's and there's youryour cat prize118401:15:01,590 --> 01:15:04,950now and you just get the prize.The prize, of course, is118501:15:04,950 --> 01:15:11,820brilliant. So think about that.Dad is killer curious kids right118601:15:11,820 --> 01:15:13,200there. We'll call it the curiouskid and118701:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,620little leaderboard curious kidsnot rude at all. Not ableist at118801:15:16,620 --> 01:15:19,560all. Okay, let's do that. Ithink that'll go fine with the118901:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,960white nationalists. Yeah,they'll go good. Yeah, I mean,119001:15:24,990 --> 01:15:28,590that makes so much sense becauseprojects that people want to119101:15:28,590 --> 01:15:33,300support though. They'll boostthose more and then you and then119201:15:33,300 --> 01:15:34,290you get the prize.119301:15:35,010 --> 01:15:37,740I like it. No, this this okay,that's beautiful. It's been it119401:15:37,740 --> 01:15:40,110has been fleshed it is and nowhas fled. Now we119501:15:40,110 --> 01:15:43,320have to send it through legaland we're good to go. Legal.119601:15:43,860 --> 01:15:48,900Okay, done. I just approved it.Okay,119701:15:49,110 --> 01:15:50,250I'm only kidding.119801:15:51,000 --> 01:15:56,220One nine. Yeah, true. That iskind of true. 1939 SAS from119901:15:56,220 --> 01:15:59,250Carl. And Carl says we all knowDave is the man behind the120001:15:59,250 --> 01:16:01,350curtain. That's right. Ofcourse.120101:16:02,130 --> 01:16:06,360He's lurking behind the curtain.Yes, da we think I'm doing120201:16:06,360 --> 01:16:06,900anything120301:16:07,620 --> 01:16:09,930on my notes. So I don't forgetthis. I'm just putting Curry's120401:16:09,930 --> 01:16:17,010kids. See dubs send us 10,101SATs through the command line120501:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,660nine. He says yeah, like abadass. It says what I was120601:16:21,660 --> 01:16:29,760gonna say is that the CL CL. Iasked for the CLI T app. This is120701:16:30,750 --> 01:16:33,450because I see that I see thatone on the rundown. Like I120801:16:33,450 --> 01:16:37,320haven't seen that. Yes, yes,totally. There must be some120901:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,800joker. Totally different. Yeah,I'm telling you. Someone's using121001:16:40,800 --> 01:16:41,160it.121101:16:41,820 --> 01:16:46,350Does have two different effects.Please help celebrate boost bots121201:16:46,350 --> 01:16:51,960imminent. Boost bots imminent1,000th Post Oh, okay. Please121301:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,620help celebrate the boost botsimminent 1000s post by boosting121401:16:55,620 --> 01:16:58,320your favorite partsparticipating podcast or121501:16:58,320 --> 01:17:03,450checking out social dot v for vdot dev at slash at boost bot.121601:17:03,930 --> 01:17:06,600And also boost bot now hasleaderboards posted every121701:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,040morning powered by the cron121801:17:08,070 --> 01:17:13,710O. V for v dot dev great domainname. I mean, check it out.121901:17:13,710 --> 01:17:17,550It is a good domain name. Do youknow the boost bot? The boost122001:17:17,550 --> 01:17:18,750bot is122101:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,770I use is V number four v I'msorry.122201:17:23,610 --> 01:17:26,730Yeah, yeah, that's right. Vnumber four v dot Dev. There's122301:17:26,730 --> 01:17:29,670all these boost bots and you canhook up your boost bot to your122401:17:29,730 --> 01:17:32,490to your lightning node orwallet. In it when you get a122501:17:32,490 --> 01:17:37,140boost. It'll post it on likeTwitter or Mastodon or IRC chat.122601:17:37,170 --> 01:17:40,260It'll just post it everywhere.Like that's cool. Yeah. It's122701:17:40,260 --> 01:17:41,610like a party. It's like abonanza.122801:17:42,480 --> 01:17:46,500Oh, I see. It's boost. See lit Igot it122901:17:48,360 --> 01:17:54,180as dangerous. Dangerous. Yeah,that's that's a different123001:17:54,180 --> 01:17:55,170service altogether.123101:17:56,400 --> 01:18:04,410No. It's a real service. Yeah,no, but it's for lit it's for123201:18:04,410 --> 01:18:05,220lit.123301:18:05,730 --> 01:18:09,780I know. I know. But it's funny.It's funny. It's funny that he123401:18:09,780 --> 01:18:12,660says is this what they wouldname it? If only fans got into123501:18:12,900 --> 01:18:13,770value for value?123601:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,820It's servo it's servo. Who didthis fork? I don't know. I just123701:18:17,820 --> 01:18:20,910I thought it was going crazy. AmI Am I reading words myself now?123801:18:20,910 --> 01:18:23,400No, that was real if I had to goI gotta make sure I wasn't123901:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,650crazy. Okay, I'm sorry. I don'tmean to create and124001:18:26,250 --> 01:18:30,840Chris Fisher from Jupiterbroadcasting sent us 8888 SATs124101:18:30,870 --> 01:18:34,830Nice. He's really been enjoyingthe show and the discussions124201:18:34,830 --> 01:18:37,680recently thanks for trying outthe road caster Adam has been124301:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,750valuable hearing your thoughtson it. Ah,124401:18:39,870 --> 01:18:45,600okay. Quick road caster updateboost. I love this box. It has124501:18:45,870 --> 01:18:50,100pretty much everything I want init. Few buggies to be worked124601:18:50,100 --> 01:18:54,450out. One there's certaincircumstances when the USB124701:18:55,110 --> 01:18:59,790particularly when you load in ashow the USB may blip or124801:18:59,790 --> 01:19:03,720something and then you can uselose the USB connection to your124901:19:03,750 --> 01:19:07,200computer which might require arestart or maybe replugging that125001:19:07,200 --> 01:19:13,440kind of sucks. The pads I hadexpected that if you restore a125101:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,710show all the pads that you setup for that show would come back125201:19:16,710 --> 01:19:20,520so you would have pads per shownot just all pads all the time125301:19:21,000 --> 01:19:28,320and you need processing on thepad channel otherwise A a plus.125401:19:29,250 --> 01:19:31,380So you can't save a preset ofpans125501:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,840know that you can save a presetof pads but they the same pad125601:19:36,840 --> 01:19:41,250preset goes with every show yousave it doesn't switch so okay125701:19:41,250 --> 01:19:44,490so even though you have a lot ofyou can tab between a whole125801:19:44,490 --> 01:19:47,070bunch you have to now I have tonow choose which ones I want to125901:19:47,070 --> 01:19:54,240do because I can't fill up sixor eight screens of eight pads.126001:19:54,750 --> 01:19:57,960For just one show. I can haveyou know one or two for one show126101:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,490one for the next show etc126201:20:01,050 --> 01:20:05,310gotcha I'm on a road caster tworight now. It's a very pretty126301:20:05,430 --> 01:20:08,400everybody needs one I really andI don't get paid they've never126401:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,410spoken to me they've neverlistened to me. They don't give126501:20:10,410 --> 01:20:11,280a shit about me126601:20:13,410 --> 01:20:14,130made that clear,126701:20:15,269 --> 01:20:18,329but it's a great I'm beinghonest. I love it. I can't wait126801:20:18,329 --> 01:20:21,659to use it on the road. We'reusing it for Podcast Movement.126901:20:22,049 --> 01:20:26,789It's exciting it has it has itreally except little things like127001:20:26,789 --> 01:20:29,969a five band EQ etc, etc. They'llfigure that out they update it127101:20:29,969 --> 01:20:30,659with software127201:20:32,040 --> 01:20:37,860floydian slips gave us 4567 SATsthrough fountain he says set127301:20:37,860 --> 01:20:41,190vertising podcasting for valueone idiots attempt at starting a127401:20:41,190 --> 01:20:47,280value for value podcast. Yes.15,000 SATs from Dave Jackson.127501:20:47,340 --> 01:20:51,540Hey, podcast Hall of Famer. Ishould say I'm supposed to say127601:20:51,540 --> 01:20:54,450that sort of like MichaelJackson the King of Pop. Yeah,127701:20:55,200 --> 01:20:59,130I'm required by legal to sayHall of Fame podcaster comma127801:20:59,130 --> 01:21:04,290Dave Jackson. Thank you for thepodcast network. masterclass. Go127901:21:04,290 --> 01:21:05,070podcasting.128001:21:05,250 --> 01:21:06,540Yo yo, oops128101:21:09,540 --> 01:21:10,620whoa, wait.128201:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,700That's exactly what I'm talkingabout. I gotta sweep through all128301:21:14,700 --> 01:21:19,560these different pads to get tothe right one. Sorry.128401:21:20,940 --> 01:21:26,760Let's see who got through therethis much this much a tiny128501:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,930things like test boost.Blueberry since 50,000 SATs128601:21:30,960 --> 01:21:36,270Whoa, stick around after thiscoming Sunday service edition of128701:21:36,270 --> 01:21:40,860NA to catch midnight mic of thehour big dumb mouth podcast.128801:21:41,010 --> 01:21:44,580Join behind the schemes aliveand lit. Hopefully we'll have a128901:21:44,580 --> 01:21:48,000super cool super fresh, awesomedebut of a new type of boost.129001:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,340It's gonna leave you jonesingfor more129101:21:53,820 --> 01:21:57,570now, this was this one that camein for meant for the previous129201:21:57,570 --> 01:22:00,450show the board meeting that wedidn't do, because I thought129301:22:00,450 --> 01:22:03,570they were I think they were onno after. No. Oh, maybe. Okay,129401:22:03,600 --> 01:22:03,930good.129501:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,870No, this this came in July 15attenuator. And129601:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,950so they've got some kind of newkind of boost. I don't129701:22:10,950 --> 01:22:15,060understand what that mean. I'mvery I'm all I'm excited. I'm129801:22:15,060 --> 01:22:15,870excited. Yeah.129901:22:17,250 --> 01:22:22,890Thank you, Barry. See fit 15,000SATs from a boat. No, no, no, I130001:22:22,890 --> 01:22:27,840got that one out. Order my bed.54,321 SATs from Roy scheinfeld130101:22:27,870 --> 01:22:32,610Yay. Yay. From breeze the breezepodcast app and breeze wallet.130201:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,070Go podcasting go podcast.130301:22:36,059 --> 01:22:39,869Thank you, Roy. Sorry, we ruinedyour weekend by not showing up.130401:22:39,899 --> 01:22:43,619Roy got worried. Did he? Yeah,he thinks something's wrong. Is130501:22:43,619 --> 01:22:46,709everyone okay? Is Dave Okay? Isthat because you know you? You130601:22:46,709 --> 01:22:49,079are on vacation so you weren'teven posting? You know he's130701:22:49,079 --> 01:22:52,979Mossad. So he's looking likeholy shit, man. I don't see it.130801:22:53,279 --> 01:22:57,539I don't see a digital footprintof Dave if that's the problem.130901:22:58,139 --> 01:22:59,969Let me let me contact hishandler131001:23:03,540 --> 01:23:07,590the flaw with this analogythough is he's he's Mossad and131101:23:07,590 --> 01:23:18,360you're my handler that's theword stream Davis 5552 sets and131201:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,660he says there are direct flightsto Bitcoin. Esther Damn, I131301:23:21,660 --> 01:23:23,400guess. Okay.131401:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,580From where131501:23:26,940 --> 01:23:28,500Austin? Is Utah metals?131601:23:29,340 --> 01:23:31,920Well, he right now I think allthose direct flights have all131701:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,550been canceled for the summerit's over the airline travel as131801:23:35,550 --> 01:23:37,410you as you know what is ending?131901:23:38,070 --> 01:23:41,430It's it's a complete disaster orcourt loan anywhere late, late132001:23:41,430 --> 01:23:45,090on time avoiding it time toaccording to totally. According132101:23:45,090 --> 01:23:45,210to132201:23:45,210 --> 01:23:48,630meters, the pads change per showfor him. Okay, maybe there's an132301:23:48,630 --> 01:23:50,880update that I haven't hadinstalled yet.132401:23:52,440 --> 01:23:56,460Sir Pete says 3000 SATs he sayspodcast podcasting Hackathon is132501:23:56,460 --> 01:23:59,490a great idea. I have access tostudents sort of132601:24:00,660 --> 01:24:02,520in my basement. Sort of.132701:24:03,510 --> 01:24:12,450That's really creepy. Yeah, soit's not right. Okay. We're132801:24:12,450 --> 01:24:15,660gonna we're gonna skip sirpizza. No, there.132901:24:15,750 --> 01:24:19,110Thank you, sir. Pete. We lookforward to meeting your133001:24:19,110 --> 01:24:20,040students.133101:24:20,670 --> 01:24:25,020We look forward to having accessto your students. know Matt. Joe133201:24:25,020 --> 01:24:28,830sent us 2000 says they're foundand then he says, Thanks, guys.133301:24:29,070 --> 01:24:30,120Thank you. No magic.133401:24:30,690 --> 01:24:33,450Thank you. Scott Sikora133501:24:33,599 --> 01:24:40,259sent us 5150 SAS 5150 Nice. It'sa Van Halen boost and he sent us133601:24:40,259 --> 01:24:43,799a says a here it is to help youget your foot here is to help133701:24:43,799 --> 01:24:47,039you get to your first million.Okay.133801:24:47,759 --> 01:24:50,699Thank you. Appreciate it.Appreciate it boost.133901:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,590I'm not sure he's talking aboutfirst million though. I don't134001:24:55,590 --> 01:25:02,520know. Evil flow centers. 21 SATswith some fun emojis will thank134101:25:02,520 --> 01:25:02,640you134201:25:04,650 --> 01:25:07,440that's ending evil. whateveryour name is that's ending. The134301:25:07,440 --> 01:25:08,490free ride is over134401:25:09,269 --> 01:25:13,469the free ride. Oh, okay, here wego. Do you have your Do you have134501:25:13,469 --> 01:25:13,799your134601:25:14,339 --> 01:25:18,449dude? Yeah. Big baller I'mstraddling the pad134701:25:20,850 --> 01:25:27,450Okay, Meachem was prime 222,222sets134801:25:29,340 --> 01:25:33,060shot caller 20 is blades on amPaula134901:25:33,090 --> 01:25:34,020Nice.135001:25:34,530 --> 01:25:37,080That's a that's like a hose ofDoug's135101:25:37,590 --> 01:25:44,310was rolling thank you that isthat is nice.135201:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,960So thank you guys for draggingpodcasts into current year135301:25:49,170 --> 01:25:51,960kicking and screaming it hasmade it very easy to set up135401:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,750Bitcoin streaming as well asgive credit to the voice talent135501:25:54,750 --> 01:25:58,260on my podcast, the smugglerslog. That's a pretty good name135601:25:58,260 --> 01:25:59,070for McCullers log.135701:25:59,070 --> 01:26:00,420I like that. Yes, good. Yeah,that's135801:26:00,420 --> 01:26:04,530a good one. Man, this. Thissounds like a lame plug. Sorry.135901:26:04,590 --> 01:26:07,080Regardless, I'm very gratefuland encouraged.136001:26:07,110 --> 01:26:09,150Not lame at all. Man. That'sbeautiful.136101:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,270Oh, thank you. Thank you somuch. Thank you, Miss Brown.136201:26:12,570 --> 01:26:16,140Much appreciated. I think thatwas the winner for today. As far136301:26:16,140 --> 01:26:20,070as big ballers go. Satoshi startstream sent us another one. He136401:26:20,070 --> 01:26:25,170says, Hey guys, about Satoshistream not displaying full136501:26:25,170 --> 01:26:28,980amounts in boost messages shownin channels and live through the136601:26:28,980 --> 01:26:34,380bot. The original teal dLv.Total is shown in the export the136701:26:34,380 --> 01:26:37,290Excel file with charts andboosts per chapter. It's all136801:26:37,290 --> 01:26:38,760real money. Cheers.136901:26:39,210 --> 01:26:43,380Yeah, yeah. But of course,people just Yes. That's good to137001:26:43,380 --> 01:26:47,520know. And if you're doing itlike if you're using heli pad, I137101:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,290certainly recommend exporting.137201:26:51,150 --> 01:26:53,040Export is quite it's quitebeautiful in137301:26:53,340 --> 01:26:57,390how you kicked ass as it'sreally just roping you into137401:26:57,390 --> 01:27:00,000complementing Oh, yeah, no.Well, you know what the thing is137501:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,590that heli pad is scurrying forfeatures. I'll just keep saying137601:27:04,590 --> 01:27:07,410it's an open project, you cansubmit your PR. I mean, it's137701:27:07,410 --> 01:27:11,370anyone can add something to it,you could become the Darling137801:27:11,370 --> 01:27:15,060hero of podcasters around theglobe. Oh, thank you for adding137901:27:15,060 --> 01:27:15,150me138001:27:15,150 --> 01:27:19,590to the hack hackathons. You goand say this with regards to138101:27:19,590 --> 01:27:24,930Hill pad. Try not to submit a PRthat completely changes the138201:27:24,930 --> 01:27:28,920entire thing. Like try to justadd features instead of like, an138301:27:28,920 --> 01:27:33,990entire new UI. Oh, really muchto review. Like I review the138401:27:33,990 --> 01:27:37,680head. I'm just one dude. Andlike, it's, it's a little hard.138501:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,440So if you want to, if you wantto do some sort of massive138601:27:40,440 --> 01:27:44,070rewrite, please. You know, byall means, get in touch but138701:27:44,070 --> 01:27:46,590don't just submit it as a PRbecause I had no idea what's138801:27:46,590 --> 01:27:53,340going on when you submit, youknow, a a 150 file, do 25,000138901:27:53,340 --> 01:27:54,060line rewrite i139001:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,670happen often or is that justonce?139101:27:57,120 --> 01:28:03,570No, it happened once but it'sjust too much. As you see, Karen139201:28:03,570 --> 01:28:06,600for the mere mortals podcasterode ducts 2222 through curio139301:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,750caster and he says, as you werementioning leaderboards check139401:28:09,750 --> 01:28:14,310out WwM mere mortalspodcast.com/supporter. If you139501:28:14,310 --> 01:28:18,990want an example of what a what aschmick one can look like, there139601:28:18,990 --> 01:28:19,920must be an Australian139701:28:22,590 --> 01:28:25,050URL is mere mortals139801:28:26,130 --> 01:28:31,530WWW dot mere mortalspodcast.com/supporter. We update139901:28:31,530 --> 01:28:34,530it once a month in our livemonthly goals episode and140001:28:34,650 --> 01:28:37,950include commentary such as whohas moved up the most incentives140101:28:37,950 --> 01:28:41,580to retire goals 100,000 sets andwhether Peter will ever be140201:28:41,580 --> 01:28:45,150dethroned. It's like horse racegambling but I'm not the one140301:28:45,150 --> 01:28:45,960losing my money.140401:28:46,020 --> 01:28:52,380Well, there you are. cphr isholy crab. Looks like he's140501:28:52,380 --> 01:28:57,690donated half a million Satoshisyou Dave Jones quarter million.140601:28:58,290 --> 01:29:02,430Then Stephen B. 100,000. MaryOscar 40,000. Why am I not on140701:29:02,430 --> 01:29:05,970this list? I feel like a shit.Oh, there I am. Oh, me. I'm140801:29:05,970 --> 01:29:07,740gonna number 12 I'm lame.140901:29:08,310 --> 01:29:09,720No, that's lame. Well, I'm141001:29:09,990 --> 01:29:13,050Brian. I'm above Brian ofLondon, so I feel good.141101:29:14,190 --> 01:29:19,080That's all that matters aspeatland, it's nice guys. 3690141201:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,740SATs through fountain and hejust says thanks. Thank you.141301:29:22,770 --> 01:29:27,840Thank you get two more we get2222 for Macintosh through141401:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,030fountain he says hope youenjoyed the time. I wouldn't141501:29:30,030 --> 01:29:32,790hope you enjoy the time offDave. Great content is always go141601:29:32,790 --> 01:29:39,960podcasting podcasting. In thelast boost from unnamed user Ed141701:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,570fountain and he says graciasdinero for SATs.141801:29:43,380 --> 01:29:47,100Oh man, thank you all so muchfor sending us the value. It is141901:29:47,130 --> 01:29:51,960incredibly appreciated. We didseek anything else Well, a142001:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,410couple of live booths. This ishow the project works. We've142101:29:55,410 --> 01:29:57,900been talking about it throughoutmost of the show was if you get142201:29:57,900 --> 01:30:02,160any value from this from theproject itself. Whatever your142301:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,760reason is, it's completely open.And we do appreciate it when you142401:30:05,760 --> 01:30:11,550use the value for value model.You can also send us Fiat fun142501:30:11,550 --> 01:30:14,940coupons go to podcast index.org.Scroll down at the bottom you142601:30:14,940 --> 01:30:17,820can, there's a Pay Pal button tothe big red donate button. But142701:30:17,820 --> 01:30:21,480also, if you want that we havean on chain. Oh, I, you know, I142801:30:21,480 --> 01:30:26,610always forget to look at that.I'm so sorry. Tally coin, let's142901:30:26,610 --> 01:30:30,600just check. Because there'srarely does anyone ever donate143001:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,180through the QR code after a lotof people ask for it.143101:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,590It's funny how that happens.It's not to tell me have you143201:30:37,590 --> 01:30:42,270ever had a feature that like,people request or ask for ask143301:30:42,270 --> 01:30:44,640for like a million times over?And then you implement it? And143401:30:44,640 --> 01:30:50,760then nobody uses it? I'm sure wehave. I've there's definitely143501:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,070features that we've rolled outbecause people think that they143601:30:53,070 --> 01:30:56,880want it. And then they justnever use it. So you kind of143701:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,140bury it in the UI so that way?Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it.143801:31:01,290 --> 01:31:03,660Okay. There's some features thatpeople ask for that you just143901:31:03,660 --> 01:31:08,100like, and this is going to be areal pain in the butt. And I144001:31:08,100 --> 01:31:12,540really don't think you want thisthat much. Yeah, like, Nah, we144101:31:12,540 --> 01:31:15,420tend to hold the line prettystrong about building new144201:31:15,420 --> 01:31:19,320features. So if we don't thinkit's a good feature, we will,144301:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,130will usually tell them like,hey, this, we have a, our144401:31:23,130 --> 01:31:25,410support team does a great job ofcommunicating with podcasters.144501:31:25,410 --> 01:31:26,790And they write in and they'relike, Oh, we really want this144601:31:26,790 --> 01:31:30,600feature. And we tell them likeyou can tell them our opinion144701:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,210about software. So this is whywe're not going to build that144801:31:33,210 --> 01:31:35,520feature, as opposed to othercompanies where they just say,144901:31:35,550 --> 01:31:38,490oh, you know, thank you for thatrequest. And so sometimes we'll145001:31:38,490 --> 01:31:40,440actually tell them, This is whywe don't think that's a good145101:31:40,440 --> 01:31:44,280idea, you know, to build thatfeature. But um, yeah, we push145201:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,640back usually pretty hard. Unlessit's a good idea.145301:31:48,599 --> 01:31:51,299And there was something I justwant to remind you of day145401:31:51,299 --> 01:31:54,269because I looked at it and Iknew that you'd like to drip145501:31:54,269 --> 01:31:56,729drip Scott put together anamespace chart.145601:31:57,900 --> 01:31:59,190Yes, yes.145701:32:00,690 --> 01:32:02,040One explain what that is.145801:32:03,180 --> 01:32:07,890Yeah, it's a chart of, of whichhosting companies support which145901:32:07,890 --> 01:32:08,400features I146001:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,310think, yeah. Oh, yeah, that'sright. That's what it is. Yes.146101:32:11,850 --> 01:32:14,070Oh, God. I don't know if I canfind it this fast.146201:32:17,310 --> 01:32:22,740I have it here. I have it here.The Well, no, I what I have is I146301:32:22,740 --> 01:32:26,550have the link to hear it is justabout you got it.146401:32:27,060 --> 01:32:32,310Yeah, got it. Let's see. So it'sa list of podcasts namespace146501:32:32,310 --> 01:32:35,880supported elements of the 16form. formalized assorted by146601:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,800podcast app. There you go showsshows which apps support how146701:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,320many tags so this shows146801:32:43,530 --> 01:32:46,800and hosts he has he has one witha host as well. Yeah, he did.146901:32:46,800 --> 01:32:47,400Host also147001:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,090so pod verse supports nine podfriend eight tags, podcast147101:32:51,090 --> 01:32:58,260addict, eight tags, curio castereight. Podcast, Guru seven.147201:32:58,410 --> 01:33:00,930I want to put this down shownotes is beautiful.147301:33:01,500 --> 01:33:05,520Yeah, it's really nice. And thenhosts. There's just cast147401:33:05,550 --> 01:33:10,650supports 10 different tags cameout of nowhere. RSS blue eight147501:33:10,650 --> 01:33:13,290cast pod eight Buzzsprout. Sevengoes147601:33:13,290 --> 01:33:15,090is RSS blue. Where are theyfrom?147701:33:17,400 --> 01:33:22,020I don't, I'm not sure. But I'mreaching out to to the147801:33:22,020 --> 01:33:26,790developer. See if we can havehave him on. Dynamite and then147901:33:26,880 --> 01:33:32,400our sis.com Six and fireside Sixsounder.fm Five blueberry or148001:33:32,400 --> 01:33:36,240PowerPress? Five. So yeah, itjust goes down there. Castillo's148101:33:36,240 --> 01:33:40,290four. Yeah, they're good. Theseare good charts. Yeah, really?148201:33:40,290 --> 01:33:42,120Thank you for reminding me. Ihad forgotten to write that148301:33:42,120 --> 01:33:42,720among those.148401:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,860So we should probably that'ssomething for our for our talk.148501:33:48,150 --> 01:33:49,320Yeah. Ooh, there148601:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,990you go. Which I'll remindeverybody we're paying nothing148701:33:51,990 --> 01:33:57,390for. How about that? We'resomehow we're riding off of148801:33:57,420 --> 01:34:02,160Buzzsprout. No, good nature. No,148901:34:02,220 --> 01:34:06,870no, no, no, no. I don't thinkthey just put us in contact.149001:34:06,870 --> 01:34:07,260When149101:34:07,260 --> 01:34:10,740is our talk? Day when is ourtalk again? And you know the149201:34:10,740 --> 01:34:11,040time?149301:34:12,210 --> 01:34:16,560I do it's on the on theWednesday the 23rd149401:34:16,680 --> 01:34:17,910on the Wednesday okay.149501:34:18,810 --> 01:34:24,000It's the 24th 24th I think it'sthe first day is it like 1130149601:34:26,100 --> 01:34:30,150Todd and Rob asked me to jointhey have a panel on Friday on149701:34:30,150 --> 01:34:33,180the on the main keynote stagewhich sounds like it'd be real149801:34:33,180 --> 01:34:33,810impressive.149901:34:37,740 --> 01:34:41,520Now no relation now that sorry.You're gonna be on the new media150001:34:41,520 --> 01:34:42,750show. Is that the way to work?Yeah, I150101:34:42,750 --> 01:34:45,360guess they're doing theirstreaming live. Maybe. I think150201:34:45,390 --> 01:34:48,570they have a panel. So we'll havea couple of people on the panel.150301:34:49,950 --> 01:34:52,950And it goes till 1245 Whichwould delay the board meeting a150401:34:52,950 --> 01:34:53,940little bit if that's okay.150501:34:54,510 --> 01:34:58,920Yeah, that's cool. It's onlyacceptable it can I boost the150601:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,160new media show live. had Toddread the booster Graham from the150701:35:02,160 --> 01:35:02,730stage?150801:35:03,060 --> 01:35:06,090I will make that a requirementfor my attendance. Consider it150901:35:06,090 --> 01:35:11,310okay. So just just to make sureI Adam will attend only if Dave151001:35:11,310 --> 01:35:15,750can boost live while it's takingplace. And Todd reads the boost151101:35:15,780 --> 01:35:16,380out loud.151201:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,020Yes. And I'm going to be in theaudience. So I want to convey I151301:35:19,020 --> 01:35:20,520have to confirm. Yeah.151401:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,170And then he'll say it and thenI'll look at you and then you151501:35:25,170 --> 01:35:26,430confirm and then I will speak.151601:35:27,780 --> 01:35:31,140Yes. And if he's, if he screwsit up, we're gonna yank you on.151701:35:31,830 --> 01:35:32,190Jeopardy.151801:35:32,309 --> 01:35:35,489Just put a button just bag mebag over my head and yank me off151901:35:35,489 --> 01:35:36,059the stage.152001:35:36,420 --> 01:35:37,290You retracted.152101:35:39,240 --> 01:35:40,530Good wardrobe. Thanks, ma'am.152201:35:41,099 --> 01:35:44,789Yeah, thank you, Jim. The theother one thing I've been152301:35:44,819 --> 01:35:48,149meaning to talk about is JohnShijie. Soundbite Creator tool.152401:35:48,929 --> 01:35:50,729He open sourced Yes,152501:35:50,730 --> 01:35:53,130yes, yes. Yes. Tell me aboutthis.152601:35:53,250 --> 01:35:57,000Yeah, it's pretty cool. So youcan go through. And152701:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,280sound biter? Yes. Sound biter?152801:35:59,550 --> 01:36:03,000Somebody? Yeah, it helps youcreate sound bites from your own152901:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,150episodes. So if you like selfhosting,153001:36:06,690 --> 01:36:12,810is what we call a very modernUI. Yes. Yes. It's very flat.153101:36:13,980 --> 01:36:15,180Oh, excellent.153201:36:15,839 --> 01:36:19,979Yeah, that was pretty all thosethings that help people self153301:36:19,979 --> 01:36:24,149hosted self hosting is hard. forso many reasons. I mean, you153401:36:24,149 --> 01:36:26,249have to piece all this stufftogether yourself. You don't get153501:36:26,249 --> 01:36:30,059the benefits of all the youknow, the work that hosting now153601:36:30,059 --> 01:36:31,139has into this. He has153701:36:31,139 --> 01:36:35,729something interesting here.Sound biters name and then Oh,153801:36:36,359 --> 01:36:39,569is there a place for the sound?The person who was who did the153901:36:39,569 --> 01:36:43,649soundbite soundbite or as hecalls it? Is there a place for154001:36:43,649 --> 01:36:48,149that person's node? Because hehas little lightning thing here154101:36:48,149 --> 01:36:49,409and says no dress?154201:36:51,600 --> 01:36:52,860I don't remember seeing that.154301:36:53,160 --> 01:36:57,600Is that part of the spec thatyou add into the soundbite that154401:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,080includes a like a lightningaddress. I liked the idea.154501:37:01,740 --> 01:37:04,770I like it too. I don't I'm notaware of that. The154601:37:06,090 --> 01:37:11,820I see what is he doing here?Select an episode. Wow. This is154701:37:11,850 --> 01:37:16,020this is quite good. I have toload the episode loading Nice.154801:37:17,100 --> 01:37:22,410Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Okay, so atthe start time, right and then154901:37:22,410 --> 01:37:25,800move it over here. So at the endtime duration test the sound155001:37:25,800 --> 01:37:31,050bite. Oh, man. That's so simple.Yeah, that's very sweet. It's in155101:37:31,050 --> 01:37:34,620the show notes. I had it thereto talk about it. Very cool.155201:37:35,160 --> 01:37:38,970sound bite? No. Oh, I see whatyou're talking about. Yeah, now155301:37:38,970 --> 01:37:42,990I think that the note he'sreferring to is no Jas155401:37:43,830 --> 01:37:47,400No, no, no, no, no. If you'relooking at this if you go to the155501:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,960sound bites sound biter websitewhatever he has on his GitHub155601:37:53,100 --> 01:37:57,750yes unbelief underneath all theall the start time etc The sound155701:37:57,750 --> 01:38:01,680biters name which is you knowdefault Jonny sound biter, then155801:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,260the note address, which Ipresume is Johnny sound biters.155901:38:04,260 --> 01:38:09,900No dress. Well, I like it. Ihave no idea how it works, but I156001:38:09,900 --> 01:38:12,750love it. It's beautiful.156101:38:13,230 --> 01:38:17,280Yeah, he he worked on that for along time. I don't want to156201:38:17,820 --> 01:38:20,040hear but I'm keeping this up.I'm gonna I'm gonna play with156301:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,530this cool, man. Thank you.That's one of the this is the156401:38:22,530 --> 01:38:27,420kind of interface Adamgravitates toward. Okay. Simple.156501:38:27,480 --> 01:38:27,960Got it.156601:38:29,310 --> 01:38:31,560Another thing we need to talkabout is the potential for156701:38:31,650 --> 01:38:36,300boosting. So Chris Fisherbrought this up on in I want to156801:38:36,300 --> 01:38:38,280have him on the show. I thinkhe's, I think there's a lot of156901:38:38,280 --> 01:38:43,410stuff we could talk about withhim. He brought up boosting157001:38:43,410 --> 01:38:52,050private feeds. Because, like,what he said is so they have157101:38:52,050 --> 01:38:54,030paid so they have like asubscription thing where you can157201:38:54,030 --> 01:38:56,490become you get a private feedand all this stuff, and it157301:38:56,490 --> 01:38:59,580doesn't have ads in it like alot of people do. And so he's157401:38:59,580 --> 01:39:04,050like, Well, I want to and he hadsome of his listeners, send him157501:39:04,050 --> 01:39:07,860a note and say I want to be ableto boost the private I want to157601:39:07,860 --> 01:39:12,720be able to boost this feed. Buthe can't necessarily because the157701:39:12,720 --> 01:39:18,930feeds aren't aren't public. Sohe's not sure how to how to do157801:39:18,930 --> 01:39:26,130that. What the value is thevalue for value block included157901:39:26,130 --> 01:39:30,090in the private RSS feed? It'snot because he's on I think his158001:39:30,090 --> 01:39:34,110stuff is hosted on fireside sothere's no value blocking the158101:39:34,110 --> 01:39:38,370feed yet. So he was using thepodcast index as the proxy for158201:39:38,370 --> 01:39:39,930the value to get the valueblock.158301:39:41,130 --> 01:39:44,760I can see a lot of people whowant this type of functionality158401:39:44,760 --> 01:39:50,010going to the first hostingcompany that provides it I think158501:39:50,010 --> 01:39:51,090that's the answer Dave158601:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,890but well, you know and as aprivate well it's private so we158701:39:58,230 --> 01:40:03,540Yeah, but he's he's you thing,fireside, they're not private.158801:40:03,630 --> 01:40:06,330It can be hidden but it's notprivate. It's not like it158901:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,900doesn't doesn't exist out there.You can if you know it, you can159001:40:09,900 --> 01:40:12,810subscribe to it. Right. That'show that private works.159101:40:13,830 --> 01:40:17,610Well, at some point the valueblock. No, not yet.159201:40:17,670 --> 01:40:20,340I mean, how else are weingesting it? If it's if it's159301:40:20,580 --> 01:40:24,090unless it's a publicly accessedprivate yet publicly accessible,159401:40:24,540 --> 01:40:26,790we'll see we wouldn't beingesting it. That's the thing159501:40:26,940 --> 01:40:30,750is it would have to be manuallyadded in the podcast app. And159601:40:30,750 --> 01:40:31,440I'm sure that159701:40:31,470 --> 01:40:34,890it should be in the feed. He hasa feed problem. I don't know if159801:40:34,890 --> 01:40:39,330we need to accommodate that.That's I mean, I can't I could159901:40:39,330 --> 01:40:44,970create a feed with curio caster.I mean, sovereign fees, face160001:40:44,970 --> 01:40:49,350sovereign fees and hosts thatprivate and not have it160101:40:49,350 --> 01:40:49,980ingested.160201:40:50,940 --> 01:40:53,460I'll get him on the show and hecan help and he can tell us what160301:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,770he can tell. Yeah, we get him onthe show. We talk about it. In160401:40:58,770 --> 01:41:01,620the moment. We'll brainstorm Oh,you know what I forgot to do or160501:41:01,620 --> 01:41:03,840monthlies prep. I just rememberthat.160601:41:04,650 --> 01:41:06,660Good. We eat. Yes,160701:41:06,660 --> 01:41:11,040we eat. Mark Graham $1 NewMedia. Little160801:41:11,460 --> 01:41:12,540we eat very little.160901:41:14,880 --> 01:41:20,340David meet us $10. Joseph maraca$5 Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy new161001:41:20,340 --> 01:41:27,300$5 Aaron Renaud $5 Lauren ball$24.20 pod verse $50 Christopher161101:41:27,300 --> 01:41:31,770hora, Barack $10 Mitch Downey$10. Thank you, Mitch. Terry161201:41:31,770 --> 01:41:36,000Keller $5. Store and this is twoweeks worth. So we're in huger161301:41:36,000 --> 01:41:40,680Mahler $5 Alex gates, thepodcasting 2.0 consultant. $25.161401:41:40,710 --> 01:41:45,600Thank you. Did you hear Alex onthe Office Hours podcast?161501:41:45,690 --> 01:41:48,750No, no, I didn't even know hewas doing it. Office hours.161601:41:49,260 --> 01:41:51,840That's one of Chris's podcasts.Yeah, go check it out as a161701:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,500really good interview. ChrisCowan he interviewed him about161801:41:55,620 --> 01:41:59,640no agenda tube and peer tube andeverything. Cannabis Callen161901:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,460can't believe he didn't eventext me and just say hey, I'm162001:42:02,460 --> 01:42:03,210doing the show.162101:42:06,030 --> 01:42:07,230He texted me he must not162201:42:07,230 --> 01:42:10,350I know. We know who hates me.Everyone hates me.162301:42:11,730 --> 01:42:16,200Jeffrey Rutherford. $5. JeremyCavanaugh $10 David Norman $25.162401:42:17,370 --> 01:42:23,430Damon Castle, Jack 15 Derek J.Vickery. Good name $21 Paul162501:42:23,430 --> 01:42:30,720Saltzman $22 $2.20. Jeremy Gertz$5. And Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5.162601:42:30,720 --> 01:42:30,960Thank162701:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,930you all very, very much forsupporting us once again. It's162801:42:33,930 --> 01:42:37,980so appreciated. It's the onlyway it works. What office hours.162901:42:39,180 --> 01:42:40,980Office hours is the name of thepodcast?163001:42:41,010 --> 01:42:43,860Well, there's only 8000 officehours.163101:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,670Let's Jupiter and do OfficeHours Jupiter. Maybe it has the163201:42:47,670 --> 01:42:53,280Jupiter colors. It looks whenwas it? Oh, July.163301:42:53,820 --> 01:42:58,200It's now it's episode numberseven. If that's announced163401:43:01,260 --> 01:43:07,980it's in the in the index.chimney. Okay, office. I'll keep163501:43:07,980 --> 01:43:08,310looking.163601:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,730Yes. Number two is the secondone on the list. Office hours by163701:43:11,730 --> 01:43:12,360Chris Fisher.163801:43:13,650 --> 01:43:16,740Oh, we'll see. That's what I waslooking for office hours. Chris163901:43:16,740 --> 01:43:21,750Fisher got it. Episode Seven.Podcasting is back. Fisher FIS H164001:43:21,750 --> 01:43:25,560ER. Yeah. All right. Got it.Thank you164101:43:29,310 --> 01:43:33,810all right. What do you think yougot anything else? Who me? Yeah,164201:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,160you got any you got anything? Ithink164301:43:35,160 --> 01:43:37,350you were you were the guys whohave been having the meeting all164401:43:37,350 --> 01:43:39,660day and have all this stuff totalk about. See, this is what164501:43:39,660 --> 01:43:41,460happens now you're out ofmaterial164601:43:42,090 --> 01:43:44,790meeting and I've got plenty ofmaterial. I'm meeting involved164701:43:44,790 --> 01:43:52,440tacos. Basically the extent ofthe meeting. No, I think prices164801:43:52,440 --> 01:43:53,580you want you want to do it.Let's do a164901:43:53,580 --> 01:43:56,400couple. So you brought all kindsof clips. I appreciate that.165001:43:56,460 --> 01:43:57,720Yeah, you got money you got165101:43:58,590 --> 01:44:01,800oh, I've got I've got thisbefore you do the ISOs. Listen,165201:44:01,800 --> 01:44:06,120check this out. Do a BMWconnected drive and I want to I165301:44:06,120 --> 01:44:10,620don't want you to imagine okay.Well go ahead and play and then165401:44:10,620 --> 01:44:11,520I'll explain what happened.165501:44:12,570 --> 01:44:16,050Did you know that it is nowpossible to equip your BMW with165601:44:16,050 --> 01:44:19,530additional features andfunctions over the years. Here165701:44:19,530 --> 01:44:23,970is an example the BMW high beamassistant. It switches to high165801:44:23,970 --> 01:44:27,810beam automatically press thebutton and you will see that you165901:44:27,810 --> 01:44:32,910can easily upgrade your BMW atthe ConnectedDrive store. You166001:44:32,910 --> 01:44:36,960are able to order the high beamassistant within five minutes166101:44:37,020 --> 01:44:44,730your BMW will be upgraded thehigh beam assistant is just one166201:44:44,730 --> 01:44:49,560of many features that you canupgrade your BMW with. And there166301:44:49,560 --> 01:44:50,490are more to come166401:44:54,930 --> 01:45:02,130the the real upgrade you You,you can order through the166501:45:02,130 --> 01:45:05,850dashboard did a web store, youcan order an upgrade, like166601:45:05,850 --> 01:45:09,750heated seats to your BMW and itwill turn it on and we'll charge166701:45:09,750 --> 01:45:13,530you a monthly subscription of$18 a month for heated seats.166801:45:14,040 --> 01:45:20,790This is Tesla started this withthe ridiculous pay more per166901:45:20,790 --> 01:45:24,060month and then will will giveyou the extra speed and167001:45:24,060 --> 01:45:28,320acceleration. So your caractually can go very fast, much167101:45:28,320 --> 01:45:33,720faster than then stock. But youhave to subscribe to subscribe167201:45:33,720 --> 01:45:41,880to to pay for that. This is wellI mean, I get excoriated for but167301:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,820this is the great reset you willown nothing and you will like it167401:45:44,820 --> 01:45:48,480and you will not own your yourseat warmer you won't own your167501:45:48,480 --> 01:45:52,650headlights. You know Tina, gottaown your headlights, whatever167601:45:52,830 --> 01:45:59,490Tina got. So Tina got so sick ofthe Apple iPhone music app167701:45:59,490 --> 01:46:05,100starting whenever she connectedor blue Bluetooth connects. So167801:46:05,100 --> 01:46:09,360by the way, lots and lots ofplatforms have this thing, this167901:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,080problem. So she just like todelete it, delete it off my168001:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,110phone. And Apple's like Oh,you'll lose all your music, you168101:46:16,110 --> 01:46:20,580would never you don't proof youdon't own your music you don't168201:46:20,610 --> 01:46:26,670own your books on on Amazon,they deleted 1984 Remember that?168301:46:27,090 --> 01:46:28,950How I remember the irony of thatKindle.168401:46:29,100 --> 01:46:34,200Now, I'll tell you I recentlygot a new car. And the reason I168501:46:34,200 --> 01:46:38,370got the new car is because theywere the dealership kept calling168601:46:38,370 --> 01:46:41,970me for months. They started backin October last year, just for168701:46:41,970 --> 01:46:46,260months and months and months.I'm curry I'm gonna get you this168801:46:46,260 --> 01:46:49,230car. This is the one you want.It's like it's a sexier version168901:46:49,230 --> 01:46:52,230of that of the car you have. Andbecause I've only had like a169001:46:52,230 --> 01:46:56,520three year old car like 15,000miles on it. Something like that169101:46:56,520 --> 01:47:02,160very low. They offered a $5,000less than I paid for the car169201:47:02,250 --> 01:47:04,170three years ago. So I'm like,Okay,169301:47:04,380 --> 01:47:05,490I don't mind. I'm like, let's169401:47:05,490 --> 01:47:08,880do this. And I'll say it'sMercedes. And by the way, it's169501:47:08,880 --> 01:47:12,510hilarious as you know, Dave,because I got a text from Dan169601:47:12,510 --> 01:47:16,890Benjamin who says, Hey, man, didyou did you trade in your car?169701:47:18,240 --> 01:47:22,020Yes, Dan, Benjamin got my handme down. And I still want to169801:47:22,020 --> 01:47:24,720know what he paid for it. I wantto see I want to see the Marjo169901:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,310story. It's a real stories170001:47:26,310 --> 01:47:29,670to me. You know, he texted meand he said, Hey, did Adam just170101:47:29,670 --> 01:47:33,450trade in a Mercedes? And I said,Well, I think he's got one but I170201:47:33,450 --> 01:47:36,690don't know if he traded it in Imean, no, I he didn't say170301:47:36,690 --> 01:47:40,530anything. And he was like,Seriously dude, this console I170401:47:40,530 --> 01:47:43,350pull up the screen and it has adevice listed in the Devices170501:47:43,350 --> 01:47:45,630section says this is called podfather170601:47:50,910 --> 01:47:56,040did you trade in a Mercedes lastweek? What are the odds? What170701:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,460are the buying Adams previouscars?170801:48:00,060 --> 01:48:02,700Beautiful story, Dan, I want toknow how much you paid for it.170901:48:02,730 --> 01:48:04,950Because you know, interestingprobably171001:48:04,950 --> 01:48:06,990don't you probably don't want toyou could have sold it to him171101:48:06,990 --> 01:48:07,710directly and maybe171201:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,070I would have sold it to him forthe price. They were gonna give171301:48:11,070 --> 01:48:14,040it to me for it. I mean, wecould have cut those guys out of171401:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,620the deal. And that's not fairbecause I'd like the car dealer171501:48:16,620 --> 01:48:20,190who really stuck with now thepoint is, so the new Mercedes171601:48:20,190 --> 01:48:28,050has the new MBU x yeah. MercedesBenz user experience. No God.171701:48:28,080 --> 01:48:33,840Now I decided even with the lastcar I had, that I was in, you171801:48:33,840 --> 01:48:38,940know, I'm off the grid. I've gotpie holes. I use graphene OS171901:48:39,810 --> 01:48:43,830everything I can do to protectmyself to some degree of run my172001:48:43,830 --> 01:48:46,530own mail servers everything Itried to protect myself. So the172101:48:46,530 --> 01:48:50,670car, I'm just gonna let it go.Because I learned three years172201:48:50,670 --> 01:48:56,700ago. No, you can't turn off thecell phone unit that basically172301:48:56,700 --> 01:49:00,630communicates with Mercedes Benzall the time. You can't buy it172401:49:00,630 --> 01:49:03,720that way. They won't do it. Theywon't disable it. You know, it172501:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,170may not even be that easy tosay, Okay, I give up on it. I172601:49:07,170 --> 01:49:15,270won't connect my phone. The MBUX is mind blowing. It really is172701:49:15,300 --> 01:49:19,950especially it has tune inintegrated, so you can listen to172801:49:19,950 --> 01:49:23,370stations around the world, thewhole thing is great. But in172901:49:23,370 --> 01:49:27,240order to register your car, areyou ready for it? And you173001:49:27,240 --> 01:49:31,860register my car. So I had to getthe old iPhone six because of173101:49:31,860 --> 01:49:36,030course Mercedes Benz ABS notonly do I not know if it will173201:49:36,030 --> 01:49:40,440run it's not going to run on myphone. And you know and so it173301:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,590gets the benefit as you can seewhat's going on with the car and173401:49:44,580 --> 01:49:49,230you can start it remotelywoohoo. This kind of stuff but173501:49:49,740 --> 01:49:53,070it also shows the location ofthe car. And I'm like well173601:49:53,070 --> 01:49:56,670that's interesting. And thisvery nice lady because you know173701:49:56,670 --> 01:50:00,510you call it basically you get inthe car and and You press a173801:50:00,510 --> 01:50:03,660button Mercedes goes, Hi,welcome. Welcome to your new173901:50:03,660 --> 01:50:07,800car. Let's get you set up as areal person. So um, it's a real174001:50:07,800 --> 01:50:11,760it's a nice to live first life.Oh yeah. And we started out174101:50:11,760 --> 01:50:15,720giving your VIN number. And so Ido my Victor Indian November174201:50:15,720 --> 01:50:20,220Tango fi fi. And then she readsit back. And I'm like, holy174301:50:20,220 --> 01:50:23,220crap. I said, Were you inaviation? Just yeah, helicopter.174401:50:23,370 --> 01:50:26,610I said, okay, because I heardthat read back. I'm like, you've174501:50:26,610 --> 01:50:30,240got the voice. You've got thetone. So now, now we're talking.174601:50:30,270 --> 01:50:34,830Now we're friends. If I'mchatting then and I'd said, you174701:50:34,830 --> 01:50:36,960know, this is you know, I hatethe tracking says, you know,174801:50:36,960 --> 01:50:41,490it's really interesting. to 50%of the calls I get are from174901:50:41,490 --> 01:50:45,870husbands or wives sometimes bothindependently who say, is there175001:50:45,870 --> 01:50:49,290a way that you can turn thatoff? So my husband can't see175101:50:49,290 --> 01:50:55,020where I am? Yeah, and they don'tthey don't have a way for that.175201:50:55,020 --> 01:50:57,870And so this is the world we'regoing into. I'm sorry. Once175301:50:57,870 --> 01:51:00,300again, I broke the positive ruleof the board meeting.175401:51:00,990 --> 01:51:03,930Yeah, that's okay. Let me youknow, you know, my fix for this.175501:51:03,960 --> 01:51:04,500I mean, you know, what175601:51:04,500 --> 01:51:07,440metrics are you driving yourtruck to Podcast Movement?175701:51:08,130 --> 01:51:11,610I drove. Oh, God, no. Oh, okay.This175801:51:11,610 --> 01:51:12,750is where it breaks down.175901:51:13,650 --> 01:51:18,330No, no, I did draw. No, I diddrive to Jacksonville. To the176001:51:18,330 --> 01:51:24,630bus brown with a truck ship withmy son's 94 F 150. Oh, nice. I176101:51:25,260 --> 01:51:30,270so my my fix for this wholeconundrum is 65 Ford, is what I176201:51:30,270 --> 01:51:35,100drive. My wife drives a 67 Ford,and my son drives and 94 the176301:51:35,100 --> 01:51:40,110newest car we have is a 2012. SoI'm stuck. I'm never I'm never176401:51:40,110 --> 01:51:44,580going beyond 2012 Well, ever.It's really I will I will I will176501:51:44,580 --> 01:51:50,190literally ride I will create anapple cart. And an apple crate176601:51:50,190 --> 01:51:53,190cart before I will drive amodern car that can track176701:51:53,190 --> 01:51:53,760everything I do.176801:51:53,970 --> 01:51:56,520Well, I'm glad that you're notgoing to be driving up to176901:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,220podcast move with me because youwould hate the testicle177001:51:59,220 --> 01:52:02,190massager. It's just you wouldnot like it at all.177101:52:02,430 --> 01:52:03,840How would you pay per month forthat?177201:52:06,090 --> 01:52:07,260Doesn't matter it's worth it.177301:52:09,210 --> 01:52:12,240Give me Give me the ISO. Wow.Oh, I'm177401:52:12,240 --> 01:52:16,860sorry. We were we were I was soengrossed with our car stories177501:52:16,860 --> 01:52:21,780here. Wow. Wow, I liked thatone. That's pretty good.177601:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,910I'm gonna try the other one.177701:52:24,390 --> 01:52:26,520It was a crazy day in a crazyweek.177801:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,870Yeah, crazy day in a crazy weekis what we got from rule fi.177901:52:31,710 --> 01:52:35,790Roth. Yes. Yes, we listen tothis, this is end of show makes.178001:52:35,940 --> 01:52:38,610I don't think we can play thewhole thing. I do want to sample178101:52:38,610 --> 01:52:41,700it a bit. Because it's, here wego.178201:52:47,970 --> 01:52:53,370doesn't really have a lot oflyrics. But it does kind of get178301:52:53,370 --> 01:52:56,010funky around here. And this iswhere it kind of starts to kick178401:52:56,010 --> 01:53:00,450in and you're starting to getthe idea. Oh, yeah, I know. I'm178501:53:00,450 --> 01:53:02,460going to take it up a notch. I'mgoing to fast forward just a178601:53:02,460 --> 01:53:07,140little bit into this part. Thisis where we get wild Dave.178701:53:07,290 --> 01:53:14,340Ladies and gentlemen, Dave Joneson the synthesizer pitch podcast178801:53:20,550 --> 01:53:24,240I added those. That's cool.roofie. Thank you. I want to put178901:53:24,240 --> 01:53:30,690that I'll put it in. I'll put inthe show notes. If he's, yep.179001:53:32,190 --> 01:53:32,790Show179101:53:33,000 --> 01:53:34,170I got more stuff we can179201:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,440We Should we just do one more.One. I'd love to hear one more179301:53:37,440 --> 01:53:40,890of your stuff. And then yeah,for a couple minutes. And then179401:53:40,890 --> 01:53:42,750before we call it a day.179501:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,180Yeah. Tom's got a bail.179601:53:46,260 --> 01:53:48,570Thanks for having me. Oh, Tom.Man, thank you so much. Thank179701:53:48,570 --> 01:53:51,180you for taking care of mypartner there. Thank you for179801:53:51,180 --> 01:53:54,720getting him up and running onthe show. And thank you as179901:53:54,750 --> 01:53:59,760always me beer. Oh, that's whatit was. Thank you for always180001:53:59,970 --> 01:54:02,790being transparent and fun andreally nice. And you're going to180101:54:02,790 --> 01:54:04,140be at Podcast Movement, right?180201:54:04,470 --> 01:54:07,680Yeah. Yeah. Looking forward toget together in person beers on180301:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,540me. Sounds good180401:54:09,570 --> 01:54:17,370folks. show guys. Thanks, Tom.Now that we're alone, does he180501:54:17,370 --> 01:54:20,430really say all this good inperson as it looks like?180601:54:20,850 --> 01:54:24,480Yes. Now that now that we'realone, we can talk about the180701:54:24,750 --> 01:54:28,050law, the social interact tag andhow it was formalized this180801:54:28,050 --> 01:54:28,440morning.180901:54:28,470 --> 01:54:31,770Yes. Fantastic. I love that.Yes.181001:54:32,519 --> 01:54:35,579Yeah. It's it's done is baked.It's ready to go.181101:54:35,610 --> 01:54:39,330So this is which implementationthat's the one that we're using181201:54:39,330 --> 01:54:40,680social interact tag.181301:54:41,850 --> 01:54:48,660Yeah. And so, this is this isfor you know, there was there181401:54:48,660 --> 01:54:51,390was back and forth about this,whether whether this was meant181501:54:51,390 --> 01:54:59,430for like social and commentingor whether this was for chat, or181601:54:59,430 --> 01:55:02,280both. Right, like all of181701:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,700which for me is just a commentthread. That's how I view it.181801:55:05,700 --> 01:55:10,500That's how I tag it on on thesocial when I link it in,181901:55:11,250 --> 01:55:15,210right. And I think that's reallywhere where it kind of landed182001:55:15,240 --> 01:55:19,980is. We could have put chat intothis but at this point, I think182101:55:20,040 --> 01:55:22,440I think it just makes more senseto have it as a separate tag.182201:55:22,470 --> 01:55:25,650I'm agreement want to referencethe chat. Yeah, or a separate182301:55:25,650 --> 01:55:28,980attribute on the live item tagor something like that. So this182401:55:29,010 --> 01:55:33,810is this is really but what thisthing could do, and I I guess I182501:55:33,810 --> 01:55:36,150should just go over it realquick. Let me pull it up.182601:55:36,150 --> 01:55:39,600Hey, I'm sorry. Just to wedidn't hit the delimiter on the182701:55:39,600 --> 01:55:41,250booster gram. Something wentwrong.182801:55:42,450 --> 01:55:45,660Oh, crap. You're right. And Iknow182901:55:45,660 --> 01:55:49,890this because comics, yourblogger just boosted 1533 saying183001:55:50,790 --> 01:55:53,790you've forgotten to read myposts that Graham did he183101:55:53,790 --> 01:55:59,220for real? Yes. But yeah, yeah.No, no, it's still up. But this183201:55:59,220 --> 01:56:02,490is a great way to get an extra15,000 says Good work. Good183301:56:02,490 --> 01:56:08,070work. Bam. Hit it. All right.Come on. Yes. Call Mr. Bulger.183401:56:08,070 --> 01:56:12,06015,033 says I had I had skippedover it so it could put him as a183501:56:12,060 --> 01:56:15,390delimiter and forgot to go backto oh, well discombobulated in183601:56:15,390 --> 01:56:16,380this in this new183701:56:16,410 --> 01:56:19,620Yes, podcast booth. This newenvironment for you. I183801:56:19,620 --> 01:56:20,220understand.183901:56:20,670 --> 01:56:23,640I'm used to being locked in asmall closet while I do the show184001:56:24,690 --> 01:56:30,120with you. Let me introduce youto my students184101:56:30,990 --> 01:56:32,220in this closet.184201:56:33,360 --> 01:56:37,560How do you David Adam, do youknow that by 2045 AI is expected184301:56:37,560 --> 01:56:41,580to completely surpass humanintelligence? Yeah, sure. Yeah.184401:56:41,610 --> 01:56:45,720Anyways, please enter in webbrowser or any podcast app AI184501:56:45,720 --> 01:56:48,930dot cooking, to listen to silkyvoice of Gregory William184601:56:48,930 --> 01:56:52,740Forsythe Foreman from Kent andUK talking about AI news. Yo,184701:56:52,830 --> 01:56:55,560show comics that blogger sorryabout that, man. Thank you for184801:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,540reminding us. Yes, spot on.Sorry.184901:56:59,190 --> 01:57:01,290That only really works onceright? I can't do that again185001:57:01,290 --> 01:57:01,650next week.185101:57:01,679 --> 01:57:04,589Oh, no. You can continuously doit. It's fantastic. That what185201:57:04,589 --> 01:57:09,479really works if you break peoplelike you're no good. They'll185301:57:09,509 --> 01:57:11,429they'll boost you back withnests. I am.185401:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,930It's like, it's like a cat. Theylove being abused. Oh, how185501:57:15,930 --> 01:57:16,710is your capital? are185601:57:16,710 --> 01:57:18,720you abusing them? Where theylove them where they love you?185701:57:18,870 --> 01:57:22,200No, we really did. We had weactually had to get rid of them185801:57:22,230 --> 01:57:24,690had. We had to turn it into anoutside get.185901:57:25,200 --> 01:57:27,450Oh, so it's still hangingaround? Still your cat just186001:57:27,480 --> 01:57:28,380outdoors?186101:57:29,009 --> 01:57:32,159Yeah, it was hanging around fora few days. And I haven't seen186201:57:32,159 --> 01:57:38,489in a while. Continuously barfedall over the house. It has186301:57:38,489 --> 01:57:41,189something medically wrong withit. Yeah. And I really don't186401:57:41,189 --> 01:57:45,959your dog was not happy. No, thedog hated this cat. Yeah. That's186501:57:45,959 --> 01:57:46,889a dog loves cats.186601:57:46,980 --> 01:57:49,080I'm sorry. That's too bad. So Iwill186701:57:49,080 --> 01:57:57,060pick up another. The, okay,where's this thing? Podcast, the186801:57:57,060 --> 01:58:02,550social interact, there we go.socially interact. Okay, so I'll186901:58:02,550 --> 01:58:06,540just I'll just go over it realquick for people who need the187001:58:06,540 --> 01:58:10,440refresher. It's a socialinteract tag allows a podcaster187101:58:10,440 --> 01:58:14,040to attach the URL of a root postof a comment thread to an187201:58:14,040 --> 01:58:19,350episode. So basically, you'rereferencing a URL, or URI,187301:58:19,830 --> 01:58:26,220excuse me URI that points to aplace where a thread of comments187401:58:26,220 --> 01:58:30,930or a discussion is going tohappen. That's that thread can187501:58:30,930 --> 01:58:35,010either can be multiple differentprotocols, it can use activity187601:58:35,010 --> 01:58:40,020pub, Twitter, right in alightning comments, you know, if187701:58:40,020 --> 01:58:45,090you're interacting with thefountain protocol. And that's187801:58:45,090 --> 01:58:49,020it. It's pretty simple. There'sa couple of other attributes187901:58:49,020 --> 01:58:51,480that can be tacked on to that.But that's all that's required188001:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,540is just the protocol in the URL.188101:58:54,870 --> 01:58:58,410Right. So this is this is notcross app comments by any188201:58:58,410 --> 01:59:04,470stretch of the imagination itis. Would that? Oh, it is?188301:59:05,550 --> 01:59:09,390Yeah, yeah. So Well, the ideahere is the reason is cross as188401:59:09,540 --> 01:59:12,690it's the reason it's cross appcomments is because when you188501:59:12,690 --> 01:59:13,530reference the188601:59:13,830 --> 01:59:16,380Oh, right, right, you bring itin? Yes. Okay. I understand.188701:59:16,410 --> 01:59:19,800Yeah. Yeah. You can bring theposting into that, right. But188801:59:19,800 --> 01:59:24,750posting is not is notnecessarily automatic. Without188901:59:24,750 --> 01:59:27,690you having an account onwhatever social interact189001:59:27,690 --> 01:59:29,010platform is designated.189101:59:29,670 --> 01:59:34,350Yeah, right. Yeah. So you could,for instance, if it was activity189201:59:34,350 --> 01:59:42,000pub, and you post a route in theURI you post is from it points189301:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,690to a mastodon server post on amastodon server. If the app189401:59:45,690 --> 01:59:49,440itself knows how to speakactivity pub, it could you can189501:59:49,440 --> 01:59:52,440do all your interaction throughthe podcast app got it, but you189601:59:52,440 --> 01:59:55,200don't have to you could justpull the content down and show189701:59:55,200 --> 01:59:58,710the thread if you wanted to, orgot it cool web you with you or189801:59:58,710 --> 02:00:01,560something like that. Same withTwitter. You know, Twitter has189902:00:01,560 --> 02:00:04,470an API. If you want to do deepintegration, you can do it. But190002:00:04,470 --> 02:00:06,150otherwise you can justcongratulations190102:00:06,150 --> 02:00:11,640on your new new new baby. Oh,which tag numbers this? How many190202:00:11,640 --> 02:00:14,460do we have now? 1717.190302:00:14,610 --> 02:00:16,530These wonderful 17. Beautiful.190402:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,520So the, the name, the other partof this is the namespace, Phase190502:00:20,520 --> 02:00:27,030Five is closed. As of today, nowwe're social interact was190602:00:27,030 --> 02:00:30,300already good to go. We knew thatthing was pretty much fully190702:00:30,300 --> 02:00:36,060baked. The there's a couple moretags in Phase Five, the block190802:00:36,060 --> 02:00:42,270tag, we're still going back andforth. A little bit with Prof190902:00:42,270 --> 02:00:44,250magic fingers. Oh, yeah.191002:00:44,820 --> 02:00:47,940He's from France. Is he not?Yes. Right. Yeah.191102:00:48,030 --> 02:00:50,550Still going back and forth alittle bit with him too. Because191202:00:50,550 --> 02:00:55,050he he's, he's struggling alittle bit with whether or not191302:00:55,050 --> 02:00:58,140he feels like the blog tag isworking the way what191402:00:58,140 --> 02:01:00,900is he? What's his service appsystem?191502:01:03,570 --> 02:01:06,510To? Why did you ask me that?191602:01:07,890 --> 02:01:09,180Because I'm your friend.191702:01:10,440 --> 02:01:14,400Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you,friend. Let's see now I'm gonna191802:01:14,400 --> 02:01:16,710to run to their recording findhim?191902:01:17,820 --> 02:01:22,140Because he's been commenting onthe GitHub for a long time.192002:01:22,920 --> 02:01:27,900Yeah, he's, he's a big morning.Yes, smart dude, clearly part of192102:01:27,900 --> 02:01:33,630a podcast host. So he, I takehis input very seriously. And I192202:01:33,630 --> 02:01:34,500don't want to move192302:01:34,620 --> 02:01:35,820as a podcast host.192402:01:35,849 --> 02:01:39,509Okay. hosting company. I don'twant to move forward with this192502:01:39,509 --> 02:01:44,489without him saying that he feelscomfortable with it. As though192602:01:44,489 --> 02:01:47,219we may, we may have to push itto six on I don't know. But192702:01:47,219 --> 02:01:54,299we'll see. We'll see that hismain beef with the block tag is192802:01:54,299 --> 02:01:58,139he doesn't like the inversion.So the way it was was, like192902:01:58,139 --> 02:02:02,429block, the way it's currentlywritten is, is block everything.193002:02:03,059 --> 02:02:08,249And then show a list ofexclusions. So like, you can say193102:02:08,249 --> 02:02:12,389podcast blog. Yes. Means blog,means I don't want to be listed193202:02:12,389 --> 02:02:14,459anywhere. So that might besomething like a private feed.193302:02:15,509 --> 02:02:20,129Podcast blog, no means I don'twant any anybody to blog. And193402:02:20,129 --> 02:02:23,519that's the same as just nothaving the tag at all. So then193502:02:23,519 --> 02:02:26,909you can then there's podcastsblock? Yes. Which means blocks193602:02:26,909 --> 02:02:29,789everything and then there's anexclude. Right? So193702:02:29,790 --> 02:02:32,970he would prefer to be podcastblock and the list of those you193802:02:32,970 --> 02:02:35,130want to block instead of theinverse.193902:02:35,550 --> 02:02:38,910Right? Yeah. And so I canunderstand. I mean, it makes194002:02:38,910 --> 02:02:42,270sense. Yeah. But I think we'rekind of working on a compromise194102:02:42,270 --> 02:02:48,810here. Because what I want thistag to be is a direct drop in194202:02:48,810 --> 02:02:52,410replacement for the iTunes blocktag at its base level. And in194302:02:52,410 --> 02:02:53,610order to do that, you have to194402:02:53,610 --> 02:02:57,690have the inversion I gotcha.Yep, yep. Yeah. Okay, well, I194502:02:57,690 --> 02:03:01,350approve working with your ofyour version.194602:03:01,890 --> 02:03:06,210Thank you very much. Yeah,that's so we're we're good. I194702:03:06,210 --> 02:03:11,970mean, the plot Phase Five willbe you know, we'll try to finish194802:03:11,970 --> 02:03:15,060that up. See what what else wecan put into it? Maybe not maybe194902:03:15,060 --> 02:03:19,650nothing. Social interact was bigenough. And we may just open up195002:03:19,650 --> 02:03:20,850phase six and go forward.195102:03:21,420 --> 02:03:25,410Phase six brother. We haven'teven hit two years. We're almost195202:03:25,410 --> 02:03:28,740at two years, I think, aren'twe? Yeah, I think in August195302:03:28,740 --> 02:03:32,280because we're I will all Yeah,cuz we have episode. I guess,195402:03:32,400 --> 02:03:36,330technically episode 100 or 101.Do we ever we missed two. So the195502:03:36,330 --> 02:03:39,060episode one, something likethat. Hey, we got episode 100195602:03:39,060 --> 02:03:42,870Coming up everybody. That meansyou know what that means? That195702:03:42,870 --> 02:03:45,300means you have to boost 100,000Satoshis.195802:03:46,050 --> 02:03:48,450Yes, right. Yes. That's how itworks.195902:03:49,560 --> 02:03:53,580These know you deserve it.You'll see that these numbers196002:03:53,580 --> 02:03:56,250are really important in thevalue for value model. I mean,196102:03:56,250 --> 02:03:59,520we already know that. When youreach milestones, people like to196202:03:59,520 --> 02:04:03,390celebrate that. I'm excited.Yeah, me too. Alright, Dave, we196302:04:03,450 --> 02:04:04,680are heading back home tomorrow.196402:04:05,820 --> 02:04:08,850Yeah, I'm spending night tonightand hotel now heading back the196502:04:08,850 --> 02:04:11,910hotel by the way. Not a greatexperience. Oh, which hotel196602:04:11,910 --> 02:04:12,510was this?196702:04:14,850 --> 02:04:15,780Is the196802:04:16,680 --> 02:04:20,130bus proud to put you in a shithotel? I can't pay for this. I'm196902:04:20,130 --> 02:04:22,950just kidding. I'm just kidding.Just kidding.197002:04:24,420 --> 02:04:25,830Clear. Claritin.197102:04:26,220 --> 02:04:30,300Claritin. It's like the Sheratonbut not really is the Claritin.197202:04:31,980 --> 02:04:37,620Not the Hilton. It's the builtin Yeah, you'll love it. It197302:04:37,620 --> 02:04:38,190doesn't say197402:04:38,190 --> 02:04:41,190a word you love. Orange do197502:04:42,810 --> 02:04:51,000does it say anywhere. No trainnoise or, or every room of Mini197602:04:51,000 --> 02:04:54,450Suites doesn't say that. BecauseI've stayed at all those.197702:04:55,950 --> 02:05:00,000None of that. It like I was justcompletely under renovation.197802:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,420There's just hanging upeverywhere is so bad. So bad197902:05:06,450 --> 02:05:09,420I know what this feels like.Alright brother198002:05:09,450 --> 02:05:12,540well Oh no, I'm sorry theCourtyard by Marriott I don't198102:05:12,540 --> 02:05:12,780know where198202:05:12,839 --> 02:05:17,129okay yeah that's kind of everyroom a Mini Suite okay yes the198302:05:17,129 --> 02:05:21,539courtyard comes with vision yeahit's it's it's the sales198402:05:21,569 --> 02:05:23,759salesman's hotel I've stayed inmany of them198502:05:24,179 --> 02:05:27,479many declared the this so thethe next198602:05:27,480 --> 02:05:30,210thing I'd like to actually notthat bad you can kind of get a198702:05:30,210 --> 02:05:32,550vibe off them but not if it'sunder construction then it's198802:05:32,640 --> 02:05:33,450then it's a pit198902:05:34,500 --> 02:05:37,200Oh is definitely the best thingabout this they have Starbucks199002:05:37,200 --> 02:05:39,630in the lobby that's that's theonly thing that's decent about199102:05:39,630 --> 02:05:42,750this hotel so stay avoid theCourtyard Marriott in199202:05:42,750 --> 02:05:44,970Jacksonville for the next threemonths until they finished199302:05:44,970 --> 02:05:45,510renovations199402:05:45,540 --> 02:05:49,080instead make sure you boostpodcasting 2.0 you help out the199502:05:49,080 --> 02:05:54,300entire ecosystem. Dave, mybrother, thank you so much. Glad199602:05:54,300 --> 02:05:55,740you were able to check in that'scool.199702:05:56,400 --> 02:06:01,320Yeah, man. Yeah. AppreciateBuzzsprout hanging it invited me199802:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,470down and do a beer and somelunch and it was fun.199902:06:04,500 --> 02:06:07,710Yeah, and nice. Nice to have Tomon the show as well. And that's200002:06:07,740 --> 02:06:10,560nice. They want to thank you foryour hospitality boys and girls200102:06:10,560 --> 02:06:13,410and Buzzsprout Alright,everybody in the chat room.200202:06:13,530 --> 02:06:16,470Thank you very much forattending the board meeting once200302:06:16,470 --> 02:06:19,860again. We will return nextFriday. We promise as we200402:06:19,860 --> 02:06:22,920continue to count down towardsepisode 100 See you next time200502:06:22,920 --> 02:06:25,620here on podcasting 2.0.200602:06:41,220 --> 02:06:45,780You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast200702:06:45,780 --> 02:06:50,970index.org For more informationpodcasts. Crazy day in a crazy200802:06:50,970 --> 02:06:52,290week. Wow.