Episode 92: Space Boost

100:00:00,780 --> 00:00:09,270podcasting 2.0 for July 1 2022,episode 92 Space boost Hello,200:00:09,270 --> 00:00:12,240everybody, welcome once again tothe official board meeting of300:00:12,240 --> 00:00:18,000podcasting. 2.0. It's Friday,everything going on and podcast400:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,510index.org Whatever we'redeveloping and doing with the500:00:21,540 --> 00:00:25,170podcast standards, the namespaceand of course, all of the600:00:25,170 --> 00:00:29,100gossip, all the real Brain Juiceand goo that we find in podcast700:00:29,100 --> 00:00:32,190index dot social. I'm Adam curryhere in the heart of the Texas800:00:32,190 --> 00:00:35,730Hill Country. And in Alabamaladies, He's doubled the size of900:00:35,730 --> 00:00:38,670his database. My friend on theother end, ladies and gentlemen,1000:00:38,670 --> 00:00:47,190Mr. Dave Jones. Yes, yes. TWICE,TWICE the goodness. Yes. Sorry.1100:00:47,220 --> 00:00:54,690No, we still we still learninghow to drive this thing. It's1200:00:54,690 --> 00:00:55,080all new.1300:00:56,310 --> 00:01:01,140I'm hoping that our dog doesn'tlose his mind. We had, you know,1400:01:01,140 --> 00:01:01,980our cat died.1500:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,590Oh, yeah, that's right. I'msorry. Yeah, I1600:01:04,590 --> 00:01:08,580mean, we that's, that's fine.Like, we are a cat and we had to1700:01:08,580 --> 00:01:10,560go pick up another one. And1800:01:12,210 --> 00:01:14,730it's like, this one's out. Thisone's done trying to get a new1900:01:14,730 --> 00:01:17,460one right away. You didn't evenconsider for a moment what a2000:01:17,460 --> 00:01:20,610hassle a pet. It really is. Imean, you know, it sucks. But2100:01:20,820 --> 00:01:23,610there's a lot of a lot ofdownside to a pet.2200:01:24,150 --> 00:01:30,060But it's sort of like I don'tknow, I see cats is expendable.2300:01:32,190 --> 00:01:35,310It's sort of like, sort of likeoil filters. You just kind of2400:01:35,310 --> 00:01:38,070swap them out. But you alwaysneed to have one Yes, like that.2500:01:38,100 --> 00:01:41,130You gotta have one around. Butthen it doesn't matter which one2600:01:41,130 --> 00:01:46,200it is. You just if you don't ifyou don't buy one or getting2700:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,140given one, one will just show upat your house. I don't even2800:01:49,140 --> 00:01:49,650really have to2900:01:49,650 --> 00:01:53,370go. I am your oil filter thismonth. How you doing? Now?3000:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,490One will appear and yourbackyard and then you just start3100:01:56,490 --> 00:02:00,210feeding it you gotta get butthis one is a little psycho.3200:02:00,750 --> 00:02:02,940On the way to look at. Oh, okay,this is the new one. Where'd you3300:02:02,940 --> 00:02:04,380get them? Is it a rescue?3400:02:05,670 --> 00:02:10,410No as a true to form. Somebodyjust randomly said, Hey, do3500:02:10,410 --> 00:02:11,160y'all need a cat?3600:02:11,190 --> 00:02:14,160Oh, really? I love it. Yeah, Ilove it. Well, that's what3700:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,030that's how we got our dog. Like,we just decided to get a dog and3800:02:18,030 --> 00:02:20,550we're gonna go the wholeaudition for a puppy route.3900:02:21,870 --> 00:02:24,090Which is kind of ridiculous inmy mind.4000:02:24,630 --> 00:02:28,920That's yeah, I don't know if Ican do this. Barf all over the4100:02:28,920 --> 00:02:30,780house, though. It's, this is theproblem.4200:02:31,890 --> 00:02:33,750Right? But the cats are not likethat.4300:02:35,190 --> 00:02:39,420Yeah, that I mean, this cat isthis cat is throwing up 10 times4400:02:39,420 --> 00:02:39,450a4500:02:39,450 --> 00:02:41,790day. Oh, okay. Why? What's up?4600:02:42,900 --> 00:02:46,230I don't know. I don't know ifit's disease. But it's kind of4700:02:46,230 --> 00:02:47,370freaking me out a little bit.You4800:02:47,370 --> 00:02:48,690got a bogus cat, man.4900:02:49,170 --> 00:02:51,480But wow, the dog hates this cat.So he may.5000:02:51,510 --> 00:02:57,510Oh, I see the issue. Yeah, yeah.I'm keeping them separate. And5100:02:57,510 --> 00:02:59,220your dogs about the size ofmine.5200:03:00,090 --> 00:03:03,270Yeah. Not not a small guy. No,it's really another person5300:03:03,300 --> 00:03:05,130is really another human being inyour house.5400:03:05,940 --> 00:03:08,430When your dog walks around, andyou hear the floors crazy.5500:03:11,490 --> 00:03:15,600Well see, we have the concretefloors. And there's some rugs.5600:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,870So she just she can't do much.She can't really charge or5700:03:18,870 --> 00:03:21,480anything because she'll justlike a cartoon will just be5800:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,930slipping.5900:03:23,550 --> 00:03:25,140But when she plays go, Oh, yeah.6000:03:25,139 --> 00:03:27,389But when she gets the zoomiesaround the table which is on a6100:03:27,389 --> 00:03:31,949carpet. Yeah. It's mayhem. Imean, it's just mayhem. 100 1056200:03:31,949 --> 00:03:37,889pounds. Yeah. Crazy. Hey,6300:03:38,490 --> 00:03:42,270I have good news. Oh, yes. I'dlike a news. Yes.6400:03:42,300 --> 00:03:45,720I mean, I hate being the bearerof bad news, which is good news6500:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,110for us. But Spotify is about tokill itself.6600:03:51,450 --> 00:03:53,100I've got good news. Spotify isabout to die.6700:03:53,310 --> 00:03:57,270I feel bad about saying that.But there was a really good6800:03:57,270 --> 00:04:02,070article, Bloomberg put togetherand that just it was more for6900:04:02,070 --> 00:04:05,160investors. The gist of it is,hey, you know, Spotify put a lot7000:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,370of money into podcasting. Theythey basically moved from their7100:04:08,370 --> 00:04:13,980non profitable business ofstreaming music, which is a byte7200:04:13,980 --> 00:04:16,770definition. It just, you know,you can't really run it7300:04:16,770 --> 00:04:21,750profitably. Because the theowners have the law on their7400:04:21,750 --> 00:04:24,750side. The labels have incrediblepower. They're also7500:04:24,750 --> 00:04:29,730shareholders. You know, so it,the whole thing is, is really7600:04:29,730 --> 00:04:32,250convoluted. And it's just hardto make money on music,7700:04:32,250 --> 00:04:35,370certainly in the models that areout there today. So they can so7800:04:35,370 --> 00:04:38,640the audio is their whole thing.And without a doubt, they've got7900:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,720a lot of people using their appto listen to podcasts. And I8000:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,100think they're gonna doaudiobooks. I don't know8100:04:44,100 --> 00:04:46,560anything about that business.But the focus was on podcasts8200:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,140and they're saying, hey, hasn'treally paid off of course the8300:04:49,140 --> 00:04:52,440markets are working against themwere when Joe Rogan came on8400:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,580board, it was $353 a share. Nowthey're down to 100. You know,8500:04:56,580 --> 00:04:59,640so So all of that is just notworth it and it makes for8600:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,820unhappy people inside thecompany who came in have8700:05:02,820 --> 00:05:05,070options. I mean, I've beenthrough this I know what8800:05:05,070 --> 00:05:10,920happens. And the story detailsall of these kinds of8900:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,100entertainment heavyweights whohave come in to run the9000:05:14,100 --> 00:05:17,760podcasting division from thecontent perspective, and9100:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,910probably the guy that was mostin tune with podcasting, Holt, I9200:05:20,910 --> 00:05:23,010think his name was and yeah,he's the one that did the Rogen9300:05:23,010 --> 00:05:26,730deal. He's out or strategicadvisor. And they brought in a9400:05:26,730 --> 00:05:29,880number of people who, you know,came from Paramount and a couple9500:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,760other places. So they go throughthis whole thing. And you know9600:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,670how difficult it was and theObamas. And they went after big9700:05:35,670 --> 00:05:39,000names, but those aren't reallyproducing any shows. Long story9800:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,190short. What then to me was, thebig news is that they have now9900:05:44,190 --> 00:05:48,960moved to a network PodcastNetwork strategy. And they want10000:05:49,290 --> 00:05:52,920to have 50 million creators jointheir network, and they will10100:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,590help them with everything theyneed, and they will help them10200:05:55,590 --> 00:05:58,890monetize. And they want to befamous, and the dream will come10300:05:58,890 --> 00:06:04,140true. So the minute I heardthat, I was like, oh, okay,10400:06:04,140 --> 00:06:07,230well, let me tell you right nowI'll skip. I'll skip to the10500:06:07,230 --> 00:06:10,830sport, right to the end. Youcannot monetize the network.10600:06:10,860 --> 00:06:15,060This is a scam. And they'redoing it exactly the way I did10700:06:15,060 --> 00:06:18,270it. Which is why I can say it'sgoing to fail, because I don't10800:06:18,270 --> 00:06:22,440think it was me. And I've had alot, a lot of time to analyze10900:06:22,440 --> 00:06:29,190this. We raised and spent $65million over a 10 year period11000:06:29,190 --> 00:06:30,660for it not to work.11100:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,330adjusted to inflation. That's athat's a lot of money as they're11200:06:36,330 --> 00:06:40,080spending today. Yeah. Maybe itwas11300:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,6302005 when we started and we hadfour rounds of bidding, above11400:06:45,630 --> 00:06:48,420all, and these were some werevery sophisticated like Silicon11500:06:48,420 --> 00:06:53,100Valley. Bo blue chip namesKleiner Perkins, Sequoia Capital11600:06:53,100 --> 00:06:56,850rom Sriram. Not many people knowthat name. But, you know, like11700:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,930original Google funders. We hadthe network for sure. So we11800:07:00,930 --> 00:07:04,380could almost get in touch withanybody we needed. We were a11900:07:04,380 --> 00:07:07,170little bit of the outliersbecause we didn't let ourselves12000:07:07,170 --> 00:07:11,550be diluted over four rounds tosome horrible degree. But it12100:07:11,550 --> 00:07:14,130didn't matter in the end,because it just didn't work out.12200:07:14,130 --> 00:07:19,830We never got an exit. We really,although we rank almost cashflow12300:07:19,830 --> 00:07:24,300profitably, we couldn't do it.So I just like to share a couple12400:07:24,300 --> 00:07:27,210of reasons why this won't work.So is12500:07:27,210 --> 00:07:30,270this a fireside? Is this afireside chat with Spotify that12600:07:30,270 --> 00:07:31,110you're doing right now? Yes,12700:07:31,110 --> 00:07:34,770I am picking up on my knee herea Spotify. I feel free to12800:07:34,770 --> 00:07:37,440interrupt Dave, if you havequestions because I it's like12900:07:37,530 --> 00:07:40,710when I see this. I'm like, oh,no, no, that will not work.13000:07:40,710 --> 00:07:41,820Definitely not.13100:07:42,270 --> 00:07:47,520We have one question right offthe bat. Garan it's less of a13200:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,050question and more of a requestfor explanation. Can you just13300:07:52,050 --> 00:07:56,610give, because I don't thinkpeople understand what you13400:07:56,610 --> 00:08:00,930cannot monetize the networkmeans. Because when you say13500:08:00,930 --> 00:08:05,280that, I think people think, Oh,well ISPs exist and they make13600:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,330money, you can clearly monetizethe network, you don't mean that13700:08:09,330 --> 00:08:12,150you mean something different?Can you just give a quick13800:08:12,210 --> 00:08:13,050overview of that?13900:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,510Thank you. Good, good point. Sowhen you form a podcast network14000:08:18,510 --> 00:08:23,010with independent creators, whoyou are going to bond together14100:08:23,010 --> 00:08:27,960by common advertising, sales,common marketing initiatives,14200:08:27,990 --> 00:08:35,820etc, you will provide servicessuch as hosting and other you14300:08:35,820 --> 00:08:41,370know, some technological things,maybe the career counseling,14400:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,660etc, etc, which, interestingly,a lot of podcasts hosting14500:08:45,660 --> 00:08:50,460companies do some of that. And Ithink the most undervalued part14600:08:50,490 --> 00:08:54,300is the help desk. And that'swhere most of the human14700:08:54,300 --> 00:08:58,050resources go in is to helpingpeople getting up and running14800:08:58,050 --> 00:09:03,540and set. Now we only startedwith, I think, 12 podcasts that14900:09:03,540 --> 00:09:07,710we contracted with, and we andwe help them set up LLCs. And we15000:09:07,710 --> 00:09:14,070paid them a fixed fee, and aboveany, with an advance similar to15100:09:14,070 --> 00:09:18,000a record company, but not wherethe horrible royalties. And,15200:09:18,390 --> 00:09:26,220and, and these were like Don andDrew and Callie Lewis, who else15300:09:26,220 --> 00:09:30,840do we have? We had the bloatedlesbian match Weinstein, the15400:09:30,870 --> 00:09:33,480bloated lesbian, we had therock'n'roll geek show, I mean,15500:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,750and these were the early hits,and we were looking for hits so15600:09:36,780 --> 00:09:41,640that that was our understandingof how it would work. And here's15700:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,550what we discovered, because it'svery similar to record15800:09:44,550 --> 00:09:46,650companies. You know, ifsomething doesn't work, then you15900:09:46,650 --> 00:09:51,090just you can't focus your timeon it. So we all we had and then16000:09:51,090 --> 00:09:53,820every other network that cameafter us, and please go and look16100:09:53,820 --> 00:09:58,170and tell me how successful theyare. They always have a16200:09:58,170 --> 00:10:02,010podcaster relations person Thisis in this there's a new person16300:10:02,010 --> 00:10:05,190that Spotify. I gotta see what?Where is this?16400:10:05,639 --> 00:10:07,889Is it really a title of podcastsor relations?16500:10:09,030 --> 00:10:13,680No, it's BP. It's like it'll becreated or something. But yeah,16600:10:13,680 --> 00:10:17,010hold on a second. It's a verylong article, it's linked in the16700:10:17,010 --> 00:10:26,850show notes, of course. SaysMcNamara. My can't find his name16800:10:26,850 --> 00:10:32,640off offhand. But that it's animpossible job. It's an16900:10:32,670 --> 00:10:37,170impossible job. Because here's,here's I'm just gonna tell you17000:10:37,170 --> 00:10:41,580what happens. First of all, thesales team is going to think17100:10:41,580 --> 00:10:44,130this is great. We're going tochange advertising, we're going17200:10:44,130 --> 00:10:47,430to have new categories. Oh,yeah. No, I thought this myself.17300:10:47,790 --> 00:10:51,090And there will be you know, thatreally what that results in is17400:10:51,090 --> 00:10:55,290host reads. And so now you haveto have when conversations with17500:10:55,290 --> 00:10:58,110individual hosts, and you haveto discuss how that you know,17600:10:58,110 --> 00:11:01,170what tone of voice what the,etc, etc, some individual17700:11:01,170 --> 00:11:07,890negotiations, you know, therewill be advertiser will have to17800:11:07,890 --> 00:11:10,830do a network buy, and thenthey're going to be, of course,17900:11:10,830 --> 00:11:14,940very concerned about brandsafety. So now you have to go18000:11:14,940 --> 00:11:19,920and see what you know, whatshows are you can you trust to18100:11:19,950 --> 00:11:24,930not screw this up? They'retalking about 50 million. So,18200:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,640you know, I'm not quite sure howyou think you're going to18300:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,320automate that. But the minuteadvertiser hears something on a18400:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,710show that they don't like, or,like some outfit, like Sleeping18500:11:34,710 --> 00:11:37,680Giants wants to use leverage andtells them about it, they pull18600:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,470it from the whole network, andthen you have the downside of18700:11:40,470 --> 00:11:43,260the network, which is, you know,you get a big buy, and they can18800:11:43,260 --> 00:11:46,200also pull it back, and then youhave nothing and then you have18900:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,040other issues.19000:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,920Is that the key that everybodythinks to making money is that19100:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,280you're going to get that you'regoing to get a certain amount of19200:11:57,570 --> 00:12:01,170total network buys. Is that Isthat where they're aiming it?19300:12:01,380 --> 00:12:02,130Well, before19400:12:02,130 --> 00:12:05,430I answer the question, there's afundamental difference. And this19500:12:05,430 --> 00:12:08,880is why we talked about I talkedabout not being able to monetize19600:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,540the network, is because youdon't have a lock, you don't19700:12:12,540 --> 00:12:17,070actually own the network. That'skind of the the double entendre.19800:12:19,050 --> 00:12:22,620You know, unlike a televisionnetwork, where most of these19900:12:22,620 --> 00:12:27,420executives come from, you know,you don't determine what comes20000:12:27,420 --> 00:12:30,510on at eight o'clock. And whatcomes on after that. So now that20100:12:30,510 --> 00:12:34,710people have choice, not justchoice of content offerings, but20200:12:34,710 --> 00:12:38,130also choice of when they want toview something, or how they want20300:12:38,130 --> 00:12:41,220to view or listen to something,this is too much choice, you20400:12:41,220 --> 00:12:45,600can't lock them in. So it'slike, a kind of a shitty show,20500:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,330but I'll watch it anyway.There's nothing else. That's how20600:12:48,330 --> 00:12:52,620we grew up. So I can yeah,there's nothing else I can't20700:12:52,620 --> 00:12:55,260really switch to this is whatthe network is playing. But20800:12:55,260 --> 00:12:59,100there's too many alternativesthat people can go anywhere. I20900:12:59,100 --> 00:13:01,950mean, podcasting didn'tcollapse, when Joe Rogan went to21000:13:01,950 --> 00:13:09,540Spotify just didn't. So whatthis always results in always,21100:13:10,140 --> 00:13:14,760is brands going to networks andsaying, You know what, we want21200:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,990to create our own podcast. Andwe want to have this host and we21300:13:18,990 --> 00:13:22,620have this kind of vibe. NowSpotify, they are now in the21400:13:22,620 --> 00:13:25,230business where the analytics,their analytical tools they've21500:13:25,230 --> 00:13:28,260been talking about, they'regoing to fall right down the21600:13:28,260 --> 00:13:31,860Netflix hole of well, okay, thedata says, people like true21700:13:31,860 --> 00:13:40,260crime with a female trans host.woman of color that talks about21800:13:40,290 --> 00:13:45,540you know, and, and they'll comeup with these Frankenstein type21900:13:45,540 --> 00:13:51,420programming, but they'll sellsomething. Or here comes the the22000:13:51,450 --> 00:13:54,630motorcycle brand, hey, you know,we want to do a big deal with22100:13:54,630 --> 00:13:57,810all your motorcycle podcasts andthen everyone has to be talked22200:13:57,810 --> 00:14:01,110to, and okay, now you want tointegrate it into the22300:14:01,110 --> 00:14:04,410programming, it's never endingstory. And the poor person who22400:14:04,410 --> 00:14:10,290is podcaster relations, is goingto hate the job. In the end, you22500:14:10,290 --> 00:14:15,360just can't get to the scale. Andthat's when so when you have BMW22600:14:15,360 --> 00:14:21,300and Pfizer and Verizon, when youand American Airlines when22700:14:21,300 --> 00:14:24,390they're coming to you toadvertise, there's no margin for22800:14:24,390 --> 00:14:28,320error. And you just can'twrangle it, you can't wrangle22900:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,000it. And then you get the otherend of it. Where podcasters23000:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,430they're gonna share all theircontracts. Hey, what are you23100:14:35,430 --> 00:14:37,860getting paid? No, I'm gettingthis. But your deal, you know,23200:14:39,030 --> 00:14:41,310Hey, man, how come he's gettingall the marketing and when can23300:14:41,310 --> 00:14:46,320we get some marketing? Itdoesn't work. It's painful. It's23400:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,530painful, but the reason theyhave to do it is they can't get23500:14:49,530 --> 00:14:53,250the cheap money anymore. Thecheap money markets are closed23600:14:53,250 --> 00:14:56,640so they can't buy any more ofwhatever they think is worth23700:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,580buying. So I have to23800:14:59,580 --> 00:15:04,110discard They have to guard theircash pile now. If they have any23900:15:04,140 --> 00:15:07,530whatever they have left theyhave to guard it with with great24000:15:07,530 --> 00:15:09,870care. Yes. They can't just goout and blow it because there's24100:15:09,870 --> 00:15:11,640no defaults that get turned off.24200:15:11,910 --> 00:15:14,520Yeah, then that's for everybody.That's universal. I mean, of24300:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,560course, there's still dealsbeing done. But you know,24400:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,060there's no buying anything bigin I don't think that would be24500:15:21,060 --> 00:15:23,370quite surprising, because, youknow, investors are kind of24600:15:23,370 --> 00:15:26,130losing confidence in the wholestrategies. Yeah, it's a fickle24700:15:26,130 --> 00:15:28,950market. Joe has been what? Howlong? Has he been doing it a24800:15:28,950 --> 00:15:33,720year? Rogen? Yeah, a year and ahalf now must be longer than24900:15:33,720 --> 00:15:38,880that. Now we've been we've beenhere a year. So year and a half25000:15:38,880 --> 00:15:39,390probably.25100:15:40,470 --> 00:15:44,340Yeah. And they've they'vedropped talking about, they've25200:15:44,340 --> 00:15:47,100dropped talking about him out ofall of their everything, even25300:15:47,130 --> 00:15:49,350though everything's they don'teven mention his name anymore.25400:15:49,380 --> 00:15:50,010The Bloomberg25500:15:50,010 --> 00:15:53,190article even had a differenttitle at first, which was25600:15:53,190 --> 00:15:57,120interesting. The title of thiswas Spotify, his billion dollar25700:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,010bet on podcasting has yet to payoff. But I saw the same article.25800:16:02,850 --> 00:16:06,030Let me see the same article witha different title that had Rogen25900:16:06,030 --> 00:16:08,100in it, which I think waspublished earlier.26000:16:14,820 --> 00:16:17,310Can't find it? So anyway, so26100:16:17,820 --> 00:16:20,910yeah, I have things to add.Yeah. So please, continue.26200:16:21,300 --> 00:16:27,990No, I think my rant I mean, myrant kind of ends there. But the26300:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,490podcasting is something uniqueto the internet. It's different26400:16:32,490 --> 00:16:36,300from radio in the way it'sdistributed, obviously. But it's26500:16:36,300 --> 00:16:40,110not just the actual real timedistribution, which is it always26600:16:40,110 --> 00:16:43,920tickles me that we all getexcited about real time and live26700:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,190shows and lit and all that. Butit's it's such a it's such the26800:16:47,190 --> 00:16:51,180antithesis, but it has a place,it has a place as a part of an26900:16:51,180 --> 00:16:55,890overall strategy. And over here,which includes me, to me, it's27000:16:55,890 --> 00:16:58,800the studio audience. That'sThat's what lit is, you know, we27100:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,890have, I don't know what 15People in the chat room, that's27200:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,980the studio audience, it createsa vibe that makes it work. It's27300:17:04,980 --> 00:17:08,010a programming decision, notnecessarily a distribution27400:17:08,010 --> 00:17:13,440decision. But when but nothaving that lock on the network.27500:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,870You know, this is where peoplewant you. There's only one Super27600:17:15,870 --> 00:17:16,200Bowl.27700:17:17,910 --> 00:17:22,530Right? Always with the time the27800:17:22,530 --> 00:17:26,400timing is fantastic. So you just27900:17:26,940 --> 00:17:29,430can't there's a certain amountof pages in your magazine each28000:17:29,430 --> 00:17:30,120month? Well, this is28100:17:30,120 --> 00:17:34,710why I always say ultimately, youknow, how in when Google sells28200:17:34,710 --> 00:17:37,800inventory, I mean, they can makeas much inventory as they want.28300:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,790You know, the price just has tonaturally go down, which is what28400:17:41,790 --> 00:17:46,170happened with pay per click and,and pay per impression. All that28500:17:46,170 --> 00:17:49,530stuff just went down because youcan make infinite. I mean, even28600:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,960expanding networks grows thatmarket.28700:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,230I mean, well, now we're seeingnow we're seeing artificial28800:17:55,230 --> 00:17:57,570scarcity be the play, I thinkyou're28900:17:57,570 --> 00:18:01,140seeing what they're trying to dois say the artificial scarcity29000:18:01,140 --> 00:18:05,550is we've got these big names.We're developing, you know, Amy29100:18:05,550 --> 00:18:08,550Schumer's podcasts weredeveloping, you know, so the29200:18:08,550 --> 00:18:11,520Obamas are gone. But thatshowed, you know, the article29300:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,670even kind of pans that and says,you know, so, the Obamas29400:18:14,700 --> 00:18:18,060basically, Barack was on thefirst episode of Michelle's29500:18:18,060 --> 00:18:22,650podcast, she did 14 episodesafter that. And then the29600:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,160President Obama did like onechat with Bruce Springsteen,29700:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,030they turned it into a seriespodcast, very sad mo facts rip29800:18:30,030 --> 00:18:39,240off, I'll say You know, so itmost The fact is when people29900:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,560have choice of the scary shitover here, oh, I might hear a30000:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,190bad word. But I kind of want tohear that, you know, we're30100:18:47,190 --> 00:18:48,270Cinemax.30200:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,220D, do you think the lack oftalking about Rogan at all in30300:18:53,220 --> 00:18:56,550any of their media presence now?Do you think that signals that30400:18:56,550 --> 00:19:00,480he's not that he's probably notgoing to stick with him beyond30500:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,740the contract length? Um, man?30600:19:05,970 --> 00:19:09,360That's a good question. I I Ireally can't answer that. I30700:19:09,360 --> 00:19:12,240mean, I don't even know if Joe'scompensation isn't partially30800:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,890tied to the stock price. I mean,we really don't know. Yeah, that30900:19:16,890 --> 00:19:19,230anything we don't know thecontract. Yeah, we don't know31000:19:19,230 --> 00:19:23,070the details of the deal. And soI don't know, I really don't31100:19:23,070 --> 00:19:23,400know.31200:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,660Well, this this ties intosomething that I've had written31300:19:27,660 --> 00:19:32,640on my on my notes for a while.And I actually can piece it31400:19:32,640 --> 00:19:39,210together with something that Idid this morning actually. Is, I31500:19:39,210 --> 00:19:42,540wonder how my question is, Iwonder how long anchor is going31600:19:42,540 --> 00:19:46,890to survive? Oh, no. Like they'regonna boot there. I feel like31700:19:46,890 --> 00:19:48,450they're just gonna boot them tothe curb.31800:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,800Well, wait, what's theiralternative?31900:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,580Bringing it in house is an32000:19:53,580 --> 00:19:56,370anchor, okay, but they're stillbecause I think what you're32100:19:56,370 --> 00:20:01,710gonna see from Spotify is anintegrated join us If we do your32200:20:01,710 --> 00:20:03,060hosting, we do all of that.32300:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,010Yes. And under the Spotify name,I think that's what they're32400:20:08,010 --> 00:20:12,120really going to do. So you haveto anchor anchor is literally an32500:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,150anchor for the hem of itsbusiness wise. I mean, they,32600:20:15,390 --> 00:20:19,920they don't seem to bring in anyrevenue, it seems they're32700:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,740probably losing money, I wouldhave to imagine. I mean, where's32800:20:22,740 --> 00:20:27,570the revenue from? They're free,they're free podcast host. They,32900:20:28,590 --> 00:20:32,130it's the GoDaddy, it's the go tofree podcast host. As far as I33000:20:32,130 --> 00:20:34,350can tell, it's like, oh, I'lljust set up a show on Anchor,33100:20:34,350 --> 00:20:36,090that's fine, stupid people,33200:20:36,449 --> 00:20:39,389which is the worst thingpossible is to have, you know,33300:20:39,389 --> 00:20:43,049that's what I tell people whenit comes to, you know, using the33400:20:43,049 --> 00:20:45,779end, using the index, sometimespeople will say, Well, you know,33500:20:46,559 --> 00:20:49,559they'll imply that, that wereally want to get as many users33600:20:49,559 --> 00:20:51,749on the API as possible. Andlike, that's really not the33700:20:51,749 --> 00:20:56,999case. Because every time a free,you know, somebody else free33800:20:56,999 --> 00:21:00,209starts using the API, it's moreload on us, it costs us money.33900:21:00,689 --> 00:21:03,809And so it's really doesn't workthat way. Same way. Same way,34000:21:03,809 --> 00:21:09,059with with Spotify and anchor, asthe more popular anchor is, the34100:21:09,059 --> 00:21:13,739more it costs them to run it.And, you know, the head, the34200:21:13,739 --> 00:21:17,909guy, the head guy, Manyana left,who had been there since before34300:21:17,909 --> 00:21:21,209the acquisition, you know, hewas one of the founders, and34400:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,149going all the way back to theSouth by Southwest, you know,34500:21:24,179 --> 00:21:28,589launch of, of anchor as a socialaudio product, and God and he34600:21:28,589 --> 00:21:31,919got all about that. Yeah, it wasthe proto clubhouse,34700:21:31,979 --> 00:21:36,179essentially. But then they, youknow, so he, they pivot nailed,34800:21:36,509 --> 00:21:39,599yeah. And he and they pivotedinto podcasting to survive, and34900:21:39,599 --> 00:21:44,819then anchor bottom. And nowanchor is now Spotify is testing35000:21:44,819 --> 00:21:48,959out their thing, this thing inNew Zealand, where they're35100:21:48,959 --> 00:21:52,559allowing people in the Spotifyapp to essentially do the exact35200:21:52,559 --> 00:21:56,429same thing that Ankur does,which is just pick up your phone35300:21:56,429 --> 00:21:59,819and talk into it, and you have apodcast, but it's pure Spotify35400:21:59,819 --> 00:22:04,049and anchor is not involved withthis at all. So that tells me35500:22:04,349 --> 00:22:07,529that I don't think anchor isvery as long for this world.35600:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,780They would, I mean, it'd becrazy not not to take the35700:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,150infrastructure, they're going torebuild. You know what, yeah,35800:22:15,180 --> 00:22:19,470probably this month, they'llrebuild it, they'll rebuild your35900:22:19,470 --> 00:22:22,680anchor will become the paid planbecome a paid platform, and36000:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,950Spotify will be the sort ofephemeral talking to your phone36100:22:25,950 --> 00:22:26,970type free thing.36200:22:27,419 --> 00:22:30,269No, no, no, no, no, I disagree.I don't think that talking into36300:22:30,269 --> 00:22:34,259your phone thing is going away.That's going away that no one36400:22:34,259 --> 00:22:38,189has made money on that. I thinkthey're professional, basically,36500:22:38,549 --> 00:22:42,209the reverse of what a podcasthost does a podcast hosting36600:22:42,209 --> 00:22:45,479company, the good ones, theysay, Hey, come over here. Here's36700:22:45,479 --> 00:22:47,609how you can you know, here's howyou get started. Here's36800:22:47,639 --> 00:22:50,429resources, here's learningmaterial, you can schedule like,36900:22:50,429 --> 00:22:53,489I know, Todd to blueberry, heseems to talk to every new37000:22:53,489 --> 00:22:57,899customer. And make a plan forthem. You know, if he believes37100:22:57,899 --> 00:23:00,359that they're worthwhile, orwhatever, I'm not sure how that37200:23:00,479 --> 00:23:03,359how that works. But I know thathe sits down with people and37300:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,119says, here's what you canrealistically expect and, and he37400:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,169helps them what he can't promiseis hey, you know, I'm going to37500:23:10,169 --> 00:23:12,659make you rich, famous andpowerful, not necessarily in37600:23:12,659 --> 00:23:16,469that order. Yeah, you know,Spotify says hey, look at the37700:23:16,469 --> 00:23:20,249look at the you'll be right nextto dot dot dot, you know, will37800:23:20,249 --> 00:23:25,379put you in the recommendedpodcasts for dot dot dot37900:23:26,070 --> 00:23:29,880right beside right beside Roganor right besides38000:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,699whatever we ever fill in theblank, exactly blank, fill it38100:23:32,699 --> 00:23:36,479in, we'll put you near thesports guy stuff or, or will38200:23:36,509 --> 00:23:39,149Hello brand we'll help youdevelop this is this will38300:23:39,149 --> 00:23:42,449happen, I guess you can writethis one down, a brand will show38400:23:42,449 --> 00:23:46,589up. And a brand will say we wantto create the ultimate sports38500:23:46,589 --> 00:23:51,599podcast or maybe even podcastnetwork of shows. We want to own38600:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,499it, and you have all the data sotell us what all the elements38700:23:55,499 --> 00:24:00,539are that we need to have, get usthe talent and and that's how it38800:24:00,539 --> 00:24:03,779will happen. And that's not evennecessarily a recipe for38900:24:03,779 --> 00:24:09,239success, but they will do that.It's the nature of finding the39000:24:09,239 --> 00:24:13,349business. There's no businessthey can't make it on ads for39100:24:13,349 --> 00:24:16,049whatever reason they're notthey're not unprofitable because39200:24:16,049 --> 00:24:18,479of the expenditures thatunprofitable because it's not39300:24:18,479 --> 00:24:19,169profitable.39400:24:20,340 --> 00:24:27,720Well, a network a a hostingplatform of 3 million podcasts39500:24:28,290 --> 00:24:33,1502.9 9 million of which nobodyever listens to is a money39600:24:33,150 --> 00:24:37,020losing situation correct right?It's it's literally you know,39700:24:37,020 --> 00:24:41,520they would be much better off ifthey just punted on RSS39800:24:41,520 --> 00:24:47,550altogether and and convertedanchor into the Spotify brand39900:24:47,550 --> 00:24:50,640bring them in house and just beappeared database with an API40000:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,020for their for their purposes.That would be the exactly exact40100:24:55,020 --> 00:24:58,110way to go. Yeah, I think that'swhat the Devon think that's what40200:24:58,110 --> 00:25:02,400the last year of of No. tillingthe soil and publicly has40300:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,150probably been about because theythink they will do that. No, I40400:25:06,150 --> 00:25:06,930don't. It seems40500:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,060no, I don't think so. No, that'snot what they're saying. They're40600:25:09,060 --> 00:25:12,060saying they want 50 millioncreators.40700:25:12,930 --> 00:25:14,010on Spotify.40800:25:15,180 --> 00:25:20,070Oh, you think? Anchors all onall on Spotify? No RSS feeds40900:25:20,100 --> 00:25:21,120only Spotify?41000:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,130Yeah, I think I think that41100:25:23,610 --> 00:25:26,880that will result in one thingand one thing only people41200:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,670uploading everywhere, includingSpotify. Yeah. Pretty much. Oh,41300:25:32,700 --> 00:25:36,150brother. So this I guaranteethat's what it is. Yeah, it's41400:25:36,150 --> 00:25:36,900probably right.41500:25:37,439 --> 00:25:43,949But the the other part, though,was is pot. This has been in my41600:25:43,949 --> 00:25:46,199crawl for a while. And thereason this is related is41700:25:46,199 --> 00:25:50,399because Spotify clearly wants tobe the YouTube of podcasting.41800:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,860Now, they would say therebetween the YouTube of41900:25:55,860 --> 00:26:00,900podcasting and by the way,YouTube, look at how much money42000:26:00,900 --> 00:26:04,860they do look at how much howmany people have to work there42100:26:05,220 --> 00:26:08,190to monitor all this crap. Sotheir advertisers don't get42200:26:08,190 --> 00:26:12,600pissed off. And they pissed offand demonetized and dehumanized42300:26:12,630 --> 00:26:16,500a lot of people, but becausethey had an actual business tied42400:26:16,500 --> 00:26:20,520to the back of it, namely,Google search, they were able to42500:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,110weather through all the storms.42600:26:23,580 --> 00:26:26,190We see they always get abackstop. Yeah, they have a real42700:26:26,190 --> 00:26:29,040business, they have a realbusiness on the funds,42800:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,500everything. They weren'tprofitable for a long time, they42900:26:31,500 --> 00:26:36,720were losing a lot of money oninfrastructure a lot. Spotify,43000:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,200of course, also wants to movetowards video. So that in a43100:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,110combination with the Netflixmodel, which we know also isn't43200:26:43,110 --> 00:26:44,580working too well right now.43300:26:45,690 --> 00:26:50,250Well, the so I went throughwe've heard time after time43400:26:50,250 --> 00:26:54,480after time, over the last coupleof years that I don't remember43500:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,550when this was first talkedabout, but I think it was43600:26:56,550 --> 00:26:58,920something with Edison Researchand I don't remember where this43700:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,760started. But I know I've heardTom Webster talk about it on43800:27:02,790 --> 00:27:07,440other shows about how the numberone pod is the number one app43900:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,460for listening to podcast isalways YouTube. And this has44000:27:11,490 --> 00:27:17,010always bothered me. I don'tsomething about it. I was a44100:27:17,010 --> 00:27:21,180thought you know, I just I can'tarticulate why I did why I think44200:27:21,180 --> 00:27:26,070that number is bogus. But I justthink it's bogus. And I want to44300:27:26,610 --> 00:27:31,320so I just went and I went andgrabbed the weekly podcast44400:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,990listeners survey from Edison theUS Top 50 podcast and this is44500:27:37,470 --> 00:27:41,340probably the most completesurvey that did that's out44600:27:41,340 --> 00:27:43,770there. And I just went one byone I grabbed the top 20 I44700:27:43,770 --> 00:27:48,540grabbed the top 25 Out of the 50and I searched for each one of44800:27:48,540 --> 00:27:53,610them on YouTube and just wrotedown what what I found. And so44900:27:54,270 --> 00:27:57,750the Joe you know Joe Roganclearly is number one in podcast45000:27:57,750 --> 00:28:02,370world for listeners. Only isonly clips. There's not full45100:28:02,370 --> 00:28:07,260episodes occasional clips onYouTube. Crime junkie is number45200:28:07,260 --> 00:28:11,580two. They are they do post theirepisodes to YouTube but each45300:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,780each one of them has less than1000 views. So clearly not45400:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,340anything of any consequence atall. The daily is number three45500:28:20,340 --> 00:28:23,520from New York Times no they arenot on YouTube. This American45600:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,340Life has not has a YouTubechannel but they haven't posted45700:28:26,340 --> 00:28:32,220to in three years. My favoritemurder only has clips and I'm45800:28:32,220 --> 00:28:35,250just going in order from top tobottom six stuff you shouldn't45900:28:35,250 --> 00:28:37,980know they have not posted totheir YouTube channel into46000:28:37,980 --> 00:28:42,930yours. office ladies from earwolf studios I can't find it.46100:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,520Dateline NBC they have a fewthey have clips but otherwise46200:28:47,550 --> 00:28:53,460they clips and trailers. BenShapiro is on there. So that's46300:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,530that's a big one. Call herdaddy. Spotify only not on not46400:28:58,530 --> 00:29:03,450on YouTube or there's clips onthe I guess. Morbid a true crime46500:29:03,450 --> 00:29:07,710podcast. They are on there butthey have roughly 1000 views per46600:29:07,830 --> 00:29:12,600per episode. There are a bunchof NPR shows so46700:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,250what you're saying is bogus.46800:29:15,510 --> 00:29:21,420Well, here's here's if you getdown to you don't see any you46900:29:21,420 --> 00:29:26,220don't see any significance atall in the top in this top 2547000:29:26,220 --> 00:29:31,110until you get down to most ofthem not even there but you get47100:29:31,110 --> 00:29:36,390you get down to number 21 whichis the h3 podcast. I was not47200:29:36,390 --> 00:29:40,980familiar with h3 podcast nofinally but that finally has47300:29:40,980 --> 00:29:44,970some big numbers and then nextto it the next one in line is47400:29:44,970 --> 00:29:50,130number 22 the impulsive withLogan Paul. Now these these two47500:29:50,130 --> 00:29:54,450shows appear to be highlyYouTube first is47600:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,450Oh yeah. Oh, especially LoganPaul. Oh yeah. YouTube first47700:29:57,450 --> 00:29:58,500then podcast.47800:29:58,980 --> 00:30:03,390Yeah. And so This makes it theythey are YouTubers who are also47900:30:03,390 --> 00:30:07,080podcasting. Yeah, so they'vebuilt their audience in YouTube.48000:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,810These aren't these aren'tpodcasters that came to YouTube48100:30:09,810 --> 00:30:11,550and just happened to post theircontent there.48200:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,520I'm glad you brought this up.Because there's, here's an48300:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,120example of audio versus video. Ialways like to give these48400:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,480examples when I come across thembecause I like audio. I think48500:30:21,510 --> 00:30:25,680there's a place for video. Andlots of people love video, and48600:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,220I've nothing against video. Idon't like doing it. And this is48700:30:29,220 --> 00:30:31,800my personal reason. I think youcan do a lot more with audio48800:30:31,800 --> 00:30:37,230with sound. It's more. It's moreintimate. And the disaffected48900:30:37,230 --> 00:30:41,550podcast which you and I bothlisten to. Josh, what's his49000:30:41,550 --> 00:30:41,910name?49100:30:43,050 --> 00:30:44,370Slocum, I think? Yeah.49200:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,660Which is a really funny podcastfor a whole bunch of reasons. We49300:30:48,660 --> 00:30:53,130don't necessarily have to gointo it. But I had never seen49400:30:53,310 --> 00:30:56,880the podcast, I thought it wasonly audio. In fact, I only49500:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,180recently did I discovered that Iguess it's video because he was49600:31:00,180 --> 00:31:02,910talking about something he wasshowing. And he always does a49700:31:02,910 --> 00:31:06,720good job of describing what he'sshowing on screen so that the49800:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,190listeners can understand. Andthen you sent me a link to the49900:31:11,190 --> 00:31:14,340video version, because we boththought the opening was was50000:31:14,340 --> 00:31:22,470rather stunning. And, and then Isaw him and it's like, oh, I50100:31:22,470 --> 00:31:25,800didn't quite imagine him likethat. And now I'm conflicted.50200:31:25,920 --> 00:31:33,750It's like seeing Sam Sethi onlythe really gay version. I mean,50300:31:33,750 --> 00:31:35,700that's a good way sound. That'snothing to do with you. It's50400:31:35,700 --> 00:31:40,740more about Josh. So you know,just like, wow. And then I saw50500:31:40,740 --> 00:31:44,910his studio and I had a wholedifferent idea about it. And50600:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,730every single time that's, Idon't want to say it's a50700:31:47,730 --> 00:31:50,910letdown. But it is not becauseit's more or less, but it's just50800:31:50,910 --> 00:31:54,630so wildly different from what Ihad had in mind. And it affects50900:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,270it affects my my entertainment.My pleasure.51000:31:59,310 --> 00:32:10,680That I guess I'm trying this isnot a this is not a thing about51100:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,910a nor an argument about what isa podcast? No, this is not a no51200:32:14,910 --> 00:32:19,170or No, I'm not saying YouTube isnot a podcast. And because51300:32:19,170 --> 00:32:22,920podcasts are only shows with RSSfeeds. Not what I'm saying. This51400:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,600is not that argument. This isabout what importance the51500:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,130podcast industry should place onthese types of surveys and these51600:32:32,130 --> 00:32:37,080numbers, because nothing isrelevant. Well as a tech51700:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,950support, doing tech support for27 years.51800:32:43,380 --> 00:32:44,730Any number never had a fight.51900:32:45,090 --> 00:32:50,580And the one thing you findeverybody that comes in the that52000:32:50,610 --> 00:32:54,540every employee that I've they'vehad this worked under me. Day52100:32:54,540 --> 00:32:57,150one, I tell them the exact thefirst thing if they have never52200:32:57,150 --> 00:33:02,640worked in tech support beforeusers lie. That is the number52300:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,820one thing you have to remember.They do not tell the truth. And52400:33:05,820 --> 00:33:08,850it's not because they don't liewillfully on purpose52500:33:08,850 --> 00:33:11,610maliciously, they lie becausethey don't know what they're52600:33:11,610 --> 00:33:17,070talking about. And so this whenyou when a listener says, oh,52700:33:17,070 --> 00:33:20,850yeah, I listen to you. I listento podcasts on YouTube. They52800:33:20,850 --> 00:33:24,060have no idea what they'retelling you. They don't know52900:33:24,060 --> 00:33:28,860what that means. And whatbecause what this looks like to53000:33:28,860 --> 00:33:36,480me. Is that the Yeah, I listento podcasts on YouTube. It comes53100:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,600down to a couple of two or threespecifically Rogen and color53200:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,210daddy, previous mega hits thatwere dominant on YouTube. And53300:33:48,210 --> 00:33:53,910then also a couple of YouTubefirst kids. Yeah, that's what53400:33:53,940 --> 00:33:58,050that's what they mean. Yeah. Nowyou cannot take that type of53500:33:58,050 --> 00:34:03,810thing. extract it out and applyit to the podcast into to the53600:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,440customers of blueberry. Itdoesn't apply,53700:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,850you know, but you know, I justhave to insert my my age old53800:34:11,850 --> 00:34:15,360thing. There's no podcastindustry. This is all horseshit.53900:34:15,570 --> 00:34:19,560Everyone's all jacked about acreator study. Oh man there's54000:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,400too many men creating podcast isnot equitable. What are we going54100:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,290to do? Let's throw some money atsome BLM LGBTQ IP k plus noodle54200:34:28,290 --> 00:34:30,990boys. It'll all be good. Well,54300:34:31,260 --> 00:34:34,620that's basically that I don't Idon't believe those numbers54400:34:34,620 --> 00:34:39,180either. No source none womenpodcast and when women are all54500:34:39,180 --> 00:34:42,420over podcasting, there's no waythat number can be right.54600:34:42,780 --> 00:34:49,080There's there's no way no. Imean, some sometimes you'd have54700:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,740to believe54800:34:51,900 --> 00:34:54,180your dog and remind over my dog.54900:34:55,410 --> 00:34:59,130That's my dog. Number one, mycat I'm55000:34:59,130 --> 00:35:03,210muting a mute doing like, whatis it? Is that my? My dogs? You55100:35:03,210 --> 00:35:05,070meet your dog? Okay, I'm sorry.55200:35:05,100 --> 00:35:09,690Yeah. Well, you know, sometimesyou just have to say, you look55300:35:09,690 --> 00:35:12,270at a thing and you hear somenumbers, you're like, I just55400:35:12,270 --> 00:35:19,020can't believe that, that itlacks a certain what do you call55500:35:19,020 --> 00:35:28,710it? Not the one I was thinking,Oh, no. It lacks a, a real world55600:35:28,710 --> 00:35:32,970credibility where you look andyou say, oh, yeah, I could see55700:35:32,970 --> 00:35:36,810that, or that's a little. That'sa little higher than I thought55800:35:36,810 --> 00:35:40,680it would be. But when it comesout, and it's so skewed, I mean,55900:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,300Todd Cochran had the same exactreaction on the new media show,56000:35:45,330 --> 00:35:48,060you know, this week, he waslike, This is not what we see in56100:35:48,060 --> 00:35:51,510blueberry. No, I mean, he's likethis dark Raiders. I mean, we're56200:35:51,510 --> 00:35:52,530like 5050.56300:35:53,010 --> 00:35:57,930And again, it all comes. Okay.I've been around for a while in56400:35:57,930 --> 00:36:02,430the business. None of thismatters, because there is no,56500:36:02,460 --> 00:36:07,110there's the billion dollars. Imean, there's a billion dollars56600:36:07,110 --> 00:36:10,110going in maybe, and it's goinginto things, but it's not going56700:36:10,110 --> 00:36:12,750into advertising. And noteverybody seeing that. And56800:36:12,750 --> 00:36:17,430there's just no industry. Itcan't it's it's not built that56900:36:17,430 --> 00:36:22,320way, the whole idea. I mean,it's, it's so weird that so much57000:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,860like Bitcoin. It's like you cando whatever you want. But it's57100:36:25,860 --> 00:36:29,520not just not going to changeanything. It's just not some57200:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,000improvements can come. Butthat's about it. You know, the57300:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,690core is always going to be thesame and it's just not57400:36:36,690 --> 00:36:40,560monetizable. And that's the samebook. I'm very excited about57500:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,670going to Podcast Movement. Youand I are doing a 45 we have57600:36:44,670 --> 00:36:49,860been granted a 45 minute talk.Now. I just want to want57700:36:49,860 --> 00:36:53,220everyone to know I never didkeynotes I refuse to do keynotes57800:36:53,220 --> 00:36:55,590because it's always paid toplay. I don't like it. I don't57900:36:55,770 --> 00:36:59,070know, I I'm not slagginganybody, because I don't I'm not58000:36:59,070 --> 00:37:03,930in the conference business. Butyou know, after Mark, what's his58100:37:03,930 --> 00:37:09,180name? Cuban after Cubansappearance and the success last58200:37:09,180 --> 00:37:13,140year to have him back. It'slike, okay. But even from the58300:37:13,140 --> 00:37:16,380first podcast conference, I wasasked to, you know, sponsor it,58400:37:16,410 --> 00:37:18,930like, No, you're in thebusiness, you get your people58500:37:18,930 --> 00:37:22,350in, you know, the value forvalue. And I said, but I'm not58600:37:22,350 --> 00:37:24,960gonna I'm not gonna do aconference where I have to speak58700:37:25,530 --> 00:37:29,310at to pay to speak. So until wehave a little bit and I'm, I58800:37:29,310 --> 00:37:32,040love this because I want to beso packed. Because there's only58900:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,650one thing people go toconferences for really59000:37:34,650 --> 00:37:39,390podcasters creators interestedparties. How do I make money?59100:37:39,780 --> 00:37:42,450That's the question. That's whateverybody wants answered. And59200:37:42,450 --> 00:37:46,800we're going to answer that.Yeah, I wish I could take JCD59300:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,420with me. That'd be great. Butyeah.59400:37:49,710 --> 00:37:51,990Yeah, he would love Oh, thathe's there. He's there with59500:37:51,990 --> 00:37:52,410belzona59600:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,690convenient. What would happen?I'll tell you exactly. He'd be59700:37:54,690 --> 00:37:57,930in the bar with the hottestchicks all hanging around and59800:37:57,930 --> 00:38:01,710fun. It's I'm telling you, man,he's he's an exam magnate. John59900:38:01,710 --> 00:38:07,170C. Dvorak is a chick magnet. Heis He is60000:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,990I'm telling you funny. Yes.funny because I can kind of60100:38:09,990 --> 00:38:10,530believe it.60200:38:10,740 --> 00:38:14,040Easily. Ya know, he's got awhole vibe, man. Hey, girls.60300:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,950Like as as having gone toPodcast Movement last year.60400:38:21,930 --> 00:38:25,860There again, I can tell youthat. I mean, at least 50%60500:38:25,860 --> 00:38:31,230women. I just me I know. We'vemoved on. But yeah, again, I60600:38:31,230 --> 00:38:34,380mean, like, I just don't buythat number. Sorry. Just just60700:38:34,380 --> 00:38:35,220don't buy it at all.60800:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,570I guess. So anyway, yes, we dohave a good I don't know you60900:38:39,570 --> 00:38:42,840might have cute might have diedby now just with old age since61000:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,320we've been running this so long.Very happy to have back in the61100:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,500boardroom here. One of the firstdeveloper I think was one of the61200:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,650first developers along withMartin, I think early on, came61300:38:52,650 --> 00:38:56,340in and started developing forpodcasting. 2.0 has been a61400:38:56,340 --> 00:39:01,500driving force behind a lot ofwhat we're doing in particular,61500:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,400and I'm very selfish about thisbecause he created first within61600:39:05,400 --> 00:39:11,040curio kit caster, but later asan external external application61700:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,920or a magazine. It feels like anapplication but of course it's61800:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,450on his server, sovereignfeeds.com Which is what we use61900:39:18,450 --> 00:39:22,080to test all the new features. Itis he really is the vendor of62000:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,930the scissors we run with here atpodcasting. 2.0 Ladies and62100:39:24,930 --> 00:39:28,980gentlemen, say hello to scissorvendor Steven Bell.62200:39:29,790 --> 00:39:30,900Hi, guys. How's it going?62300:39:30,990 --> 00:39:33,960Yeah, I'm so sorry to keep youwaiting so long. We were just62400:39:34,650 --> 00:39:36,630getting our getting our grooveon62500:39:37,980 --> 00:39:39,300as are right.62600:39:40,829 --> 00:39:46,319We given the given the nature ofthe last two or three episodes.62700:39:46,709 --> 00:39:49,589It's it's pretty clear that wecan get it there. We know how to62800:39:49,589 --> 00:39:50,609beat a dead horse with62900:39:51,750 --> 00:39:52,620real good63000:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,600hours on it. Yeah. Much to thechagrin of most of the people63100:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,650listening but thanks by63200:39:58,650 --> 00:40:02,190the way to everybody. Who islistening to this show as we're63300:40:02,190 --> 00:40:06,540lit, the live item tag is goingpod verse curio caster, I think63400:40:06,540 --> 00:40:09,750are the two that can handle itright now you get right in there63500:40:09,750 --> 00:40:14,100and you get your chat, your,your live stream, your boost63600:40:14,100 --> 00:40:17,280interface. Everything is all inthere. And we love it.63700:40:17,789 --> 00:40:20,549Steven, I, you know, I'd reachedout to you to get on because you63800:40:20,549 --> 00:40:24,629just we had you on what? A yearago? I guess maybe?63900:40:24,929 --> 00:40:27,899Yeah, I think it was Septemberof last year.64000:40:28,470 --> 00:40:31,950Okay. And you've done like,You've done so much since then.64100:40:32,610 --> 00:40:37,620I mean, you and you and Mitch,just add features like they're,64200:40:37,770 --> 00:40:40,620I mean, just like you pick themoff a shelf and just shove them64300:40:40,620 --> 00:40:42,870in there. I mean, like this justlike one a week almost64400:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,760like Legos. Oh, and I put thison?64500:40:47,039 --> 00:40:51,359Yeah. But, you know,specifically sovereign themes is64600:40:51,809 --> 00:40:56,789it's becoming a, I mean, it'sbecoming a real platform. Yeah,64700:40:56,819 --> 00:41:01,229just do you want to just kind ofgo over what do you have like a64800:41:01,229 --> 00:41:04,499quick overview that you tellpeople of what sovereign feeds64900:41:04,499 --> 00:41:05,159does?65000:41:06,270 --> 00:41:10,350Yeah. So I've been applying fordeveloper positions. And I'm65100:41:10,350 --> 00:41:15,870using that as my, I guess that'smy portfolio site. And let them65200:41:15,870 --> 00:41:20,190know that this is for people whoare self hosting their own RSS65300:41:20,190 --> 00:41:23,970feeds, and they could put in themajority of the podcasting 2.065400:41:23,970 --> 00:41:29,160tags, and then host it on theirown server. And just so you guys65500:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,980know, I tried releasing it lastnight, but I'm having issues65600:41:31,980 --> 00:41:37,770with course. Oh, yeah. Yeah,hey, cores, but I've got it65700:41:37,770 --> 00:41:42,120working on my local machinewhere you can now drag and drop65800:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,740your files. And as long as youhave a Dropbox spaces, you can65900:41:46,740 --> 00:41:52,140put your API keys in. And itwill upload your mp3 and images66000:41:52,140 --> 00:41:56,010to your Dropbox. Oh, cool, andpopulate your whole thing. So66100:41:56,160 --> 00:42:02,190it's like being in any hostedRSS feed builder, without the66200:42:02,190 --> 00:42:04,230help desk? Yeah, without thehelp desk.66300:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,960And I will say, as Stephen, ofcourse, is very humble. But I66400:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,390did a little I did a little bitof background research. And66500:42:12,390 --> 00:42:15,810Steve and I do see the you haveearned the LinkedIn skill badge66600:42:15,810 --> 00:42:19,140for front end development. So Imean, nothing to be downplayed.66700:42:20,220 --> 00:42:25,830Yeah, nobody wants to hire anelectrician to be a developer.66800:42:27,900 --> 00:42:32,190And I'm on hireable anyway,Steven, I'm right there with ya.66900:42:32,309 --> 00:42:36,179So you are a you're anelectrician? By trade, ma'am.67000:42:36,330 --> 00:42:40,500Yeah, I've got my Master'slicense. And I moved out of the67100:42:40,500 --> 00:42:44,760field probably eight years ago.And now I do estimating. We know67200:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,370how much the job should cost forthe guys in the field to do it.67300:42:47,910 --> 00:42:50,340I need to ask you this questionbecause I've had a couple of67400:42:50,340 --> 00:42:54,510electricians over here and I Ireally did not like one I really67500:42:54,510 --> 00:42:57,060liked the other one. I thinkthat the one I liked was on67600:42:57,060 --> 00:43:00,720drugs, which is kind of the coolthing about him. But I've67700:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,320noticed that with electricians,unlike any other vocation,67800:43:04,650 --> 00:43:09,270especially master your masterelectrician, I presume. Yeah. If67900:43:09,270 --> 00:43:11,970you even mentioned somethingabout hey man, maybe we can move68000:43:11,970 --> 00:43:17,370the you know, the water pipe oryou know this gas line or you68100:43:17,370 --> 00:43:21,300know, not even meaning that theelectrician should do it. The68200:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,570electrician the masterelectrician goes Do you see do68300:43:24,570 --> 00:43:27,870you see do you see a plumberanywhere here on my jacket? I68400:43:27,870 --> 00:43:33,060was just say electrician What isthis a universal thing you guys68500:43:33,060 --> 00:43:34,170have a stick up your ass?68600:43:35,550 --> 00:43:40,020Yeah, maybe I want to do theother tree eyes work. And hey,68700:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,010when it comes to the totem poleelectricians are on the bottom68800:43:44,010 --> 00:43:47,280because it's easier to movewires than it is to you move68900:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,060plumbing pipes69000:43:48,089 --> 00:43:50,669so you always have to clean thisshit up at the plumbers leave69100:43:50,669 --> 00:43:52,619behind Yeah,69200:43:52,620 --> 00:43:57,180so if we go in and the HVAC guyneeds to put duct work well, if69300:43:57,180 --> 00:43:59,370our stuffs in the way we got tomove it out of the way for him69400:43:59,370 --> 00:44:03,180so you're all so you're alwaysthe cleanup guy.69500:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,540Yeah, we're the we're the lowguys on the totem pole Whereas69600:44:06,540 --> 00:44:10,350of course an electrician takesgreat pride in exactly how they69700:44:10,350 --> 00:44:14,850run the wires you know rightdown to the stripping distance69800:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,490all that stuff I mean that's thestuff that you guys live for.69900:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,170Oh yeah, you can you can tellwhen a good craftsman has done70000:44:22,170 --> 00:44:25,650it because if you look on theswitch plates or the receptacle70100:44:25,650 --> 00:44:29,370plates that little screw will befacing vertical70200:44:30,059 --> 00:44:35,009yes I have noticed that Yeah,exactly. Even down to the screws70300:44:35,009 --> 00:44:35,489you're right70400:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,850down to the screws Yeah, it's aproblem for a lot of guys70500:44:38,850 --> 00:44:43,200because we have we have thatdesire for craftsmanship but you70600:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,960still need to get the job doneand get it profitable for the70700:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,410owner so that he's got enough tokeep this company going.70800:44:50,010 --> 00:44:54,420Well that's it's funny becausemy dad My dad always said that.70900:44:54,990 --> 00:44:57,300All you need to you need to knowto you just need to know two71000:44:57,300 --> 00:45:00,780things to be a plumber. Shitfloats and water runs downhill.71100:45:02,909 --> 00:45:04,199And pay days on Thursday.71200:45:05,940 --> 00:45:10,290I feel like like I feel like I,I feel this from you know, I am71300:45:10,290 --> 00:45:14,820a curio caster user I abuse. Allall apps except cast71400:45:14,820 --> 00:45:19,710thematically don't have iOS inmy life anymore. And I'm using71500:45:19,710 --> 00:45:21,690them just to see what newfeatures are coming out. But I71600:45:21,690 --> 00:45:25,860always go back to curio caster,I love the web app. And it's71700:45:25,860 --> 00:45:30,780always evolving. And I wanted tocompliment you on how you've71800:45:30,780 --> 00:45:34,800translated some of those masterelectrician screws all up in the71900:45:34,830 --> 00:45:38,280in the vertical position. You'vetranslated that into a lot of72000:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,700the user experience, all theselittle things start popping up,72100:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,800you know, the new tag, the OnAir tag, the LIVE TAG, just the72200:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,210whole experience, I can feel itdeveloping around my my user72300:45:51,210 --> 00:45:54,000experience without reallyinterrupting it. And you really72400:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,200do a good job on that.72500:45:55,740 --> 00:45:58,980Yeah, I've got two competingthings, because I think the RSS72600:45:58,980 --> 00:46:05,070feed, the podcaster is the onewho should own that and own what72700:46:05,070 --> 00:46:08,640is being displayed to thelistener. That's why I was so72800:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,750adamant that if we're doingcomments, I want the podcaster72900:46:12,750 --> 00:46:16,110to be able to say man that doesnot match my brand. I don't want73000:46:16,110 --> 00:46:20,850those comments associated withmy particular feed. I think73100:46:20,850 --> 00:46:24,210about a pastor who there may becomments that he just doesn't73200:46:24,210 --> 00:46:28,110want his congregation reading.So on one hand, I want the73300:46:28,110 --> 00:46:32,280podcaster to have control. Butwithin the app, the listener is73400:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,490the one who's primarily usingthat not the podcaster. So I73500:46:35,490 --> 00:46:39,660want their experience to be asbest as I know how to do it.73600:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,079Have you actually done thatimplementation?73700:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,679I haven't done. I haven't doneanything I've done.73800:46:46,980 --> 00:46:48,450Okay, that's what I thought.Yeah.73900:46:49,199 --> 00:46:53,279Yeah, we're speaking of Rena, weneed to move forward with the I74000:46:53,279 --> 00:46:57,749think it's time to just kind ofcodify polish up. Yeah. And74100:46:57,749 --> 00:47:01,109finalize the social interacttag. I don't think there's74200:47:01,109 --> 00:47:06,119anything else. What we've beentalking about as an essay, we74300:47:07,709 --> 00:47:11,459just with John Spurlock and Alexand a lot of people who has had74400:47:11,459 --> 00:47:16,949some input on the socialinteract tag is that I mean,74500:47:16,949 --> 00:47:19,589it's probably just ready to it'sprobably ready to go. And if we74600:47:19,589 --> 00:47:23,129want to do some sort of livechat tag, I think it's probably74700:47:23,489 --> 00:47:27,779right at this point to just havethat as a separate tag, or, or74800:47:27,779 --> 00:47:32,489maybe a property or some, someother deliver that in some other74900:47:32,489 --> 00:47:36,989way. Because they, in some waysthey aren't they in some ways,75000:47:36,989 --> 00:47:39,929they are different. They, theyare different things. And in75100:47:39,929 --> 00:47:43,589some ways they aren't. And Iguess from just my own personal75200:47:43,589 --> 00:47:49,049perspective, when when you havea thing like that, which is so75300:47:49,169 --> 00:47:51,809so what what I'm talking aboutis I'm talking about social75400:47:51,809 --> 00:47:56,369media comments, style comments,and then chat. So it's the75500:47:56,369 --> 00:47:59,849difference between somethinglike Twitter or Mastodon would75600:47:59,849 --> 00:48:04,919be social order comments in thechat would be more like Slack.75700:48:05,069 --> 00:48:07,619IRC. Jabber?75800:48:08,699 --> 00:48:10,259XMPP75900:48:10,500 --> 00:48:17,700XMPP Yeah, yeah. Or, or was thisnot synapse? Was the was the76000:48:17,700 --> 00:48:21,330other big one? The Matrix?Matrix? Yes. Thank you matrix.76100:48:22,830 --> 00:48:29,190So that's, they're, they're kindof the same. But they're also76200:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,990very, very different feel andused in very different forms.76300:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,260And so whenever there's just mypersonal preference, whenever76400:48:37,260 --> 00:48:41,040there is a difference like that,it just seems like it's right to76500:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,260separate them out. Because wecould, we could shoehorn chat76600:48:46,260 --> 00:48:49,680into the social interact tag insome way that I don't I don't76700:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,030know that it's really necessary.76800:48:51,869 --> 00:48:55,499Yeah, I don't like the idea ofgoing into social interaction.76900:48:55,499 --> 00:48:58,949Social enacts already acomplicated tag. And now we're77000:48:58,949 --> 00:49:02,339going to start adding stuff andwe had to simplify it because we77100:49:02,339 --> 00:49:05,429had an open to just aboutanything that anyone could think77200:49:05,429 --> 00:49:10,979of. And I think we simplified itto lightning, Twitter and then77300:49:11,099 --> 00:49:11,969mastodon.77400:49:12,690 --> 00:49:14,910Yes. Activity. Activity. Yeah.77500:49:14,940 --> 00:49:17,880Yep. And I think that they'redifferent enough that it's77600:49:17,910 --> 00:49:22,890easier just to create a wholenew tag and do that in. I guess77700:49:22,890 --> 00:49:26,040we're in Phase Five, where we'restill introducing new tags, but77800:49:26,550 --> 00:49:30,180I think we've shown enoughinterest in chat that it should77900:49:30,180 --> 00:49:33,300at least be a tag that'sconsidered gentlemen. I have to78000:49:33,300 --> 00:49:33,690play.78100:49:35,550 --> 00:49:40,620And now it's time for somenamespace. That's that's not too78200:49:40,620 --> 00:49:42,630corny. No, no, no, it's78300:49:42,629 --> 00:49:47,309not as bad as the math. The mathis out of control. So episode78400:49:47,309 --> 00:49:48,359100. It'll come back78500:49:49,530 --> 00:49:50,250coming up.78600:49:50,969 --> 00:49:55,139But yeah, no, I think that'sright. I think the so we'll go78700:49:55,139 --> 00:49:58,679ahead and finalize socialinteract because there's Yeah,78800:49:58,709 --> 00:50:02,429it's ready to be used me people.floor, people are trying to do78900:50:02,429 --> 00:50:07,229things with it at this point.And so I think it's ready to go79000:50:07,259 --> 00:50:10,769to go ahead and do it. And thenwe can always modify or add to79100:50:10,769 --> 00:50:15,119and not modify, but add to itlater expanded. Are you do you79200:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,899think you'll? Do you thinkyou'll plug that in once once we79300:50:18,899 --> 00:50:20,489hit once we make it final?79400:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,460Oh, for sure. I mean, I'vealready got some sort of79500:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,630bastardize implementation ofchat in the live items. So once79600:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,020we've got something figured out,I definitely want that within79700:50:31,020 --> 00:50:35,130the feeds. The apps that or I'msorry, the podcasters that are79800:50:35,130 --> 00:50:37,410using it, it's really importantto them.79900:50:38,670 --> 00:50:41,700A bastardized implementation ofanything is pretty much its80000:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,640ship. I mean, that's good.You're good to go ship it. Ship80100:50:44,640 --> 00:50:51,450it down. Oh. So let me go backto sovereign feeds for a second.80200:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,380Sovereign. I think you tried tofigure out, even trying to80300:50:58,380 --> 00:51:02,250figure out what's best the bestway to do the hosting part like80400:51:02,250 --> 00:51:04,290the actual media files, wherethey're going to live, where80500:51:04,290 --> 00:51:09,180they're going to be served from?Are you have you ever settled on80600:51:09,180 --> 00:51:10,920Dropbox as your solution?80700:51:12,210 --> 00:51:16,320I have only because it's the oneI've looked at. And their API80800:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,280was easy enough to do. I waslooking at Dropbox because it80900:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,450was free. And I really want tobe able to get musicians on81000:51:24,450 --> 00:51:27,360board with something that'seasy. And there's not a lot of81100:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,290buy in, because I don't knowthat. I don't know that guys81200:51:31,290 --> 00:51:34,230want to spend $12 a month forsomething that they're going to81300:51:34,230 --> 00:51:35,940get $2 A month initially.81400:51:35,969 --> 00:51:41,159question, Can you hook this upto? The what's the name of that81500:51:41,159 --> 00:51:44,429service? That all the musiciansupload to? We talked about him81600:51:44,579 --> 00:51:47,729my bank? That was crosstalk81700:51:48,869 --> 00:51:50,039like Bandcamp is original?81800:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,340No, not Bandcamp? The other onethe that also has RSS feeds.81900:51:54,329 --> 00:51:57,599RSS Feed me a music service.That's Bandcamp.82000:51:57,630 --> 00:52:00,390No, no, no, it's not a musicservice. SoundCloud, SoundCloud.82100:52:01,140 --> 00:52:02,550Don't they have an API?82200:52:04,170 --> 00:52:05,580I don't know, I'd have to lookinto that.82300:52:06,270 --> 00:52:10,890The only reason I'm saying is ifanywhere that there's an API82400:52:10,890 --> 00:52:14,670that you can offload, likeDropbox is a great one. I'm82500:52:14,670 --> 00:52:17,610saying if you could tap into acouple more of those. I mean,82600:52:17,610 --> 00:52:21,720what? What I almost thinkthere's a, I've always thought82700:52:21,720 --> 00:52:24,360there's a market and I can neverunderstand why no one builds it82800:52:24,420 --> 00:52:29,670on. Who's our favorite Linuxhost there? Dave? Linode,82900:52:29,700 --> 00:52:35,280Linode. You know, you almostwant an a script, that you go on83000:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,460Linode, you know, boom, set upan instance boom, it's running.83100:52:38,490 --> 00:52:41,100Boom, you've got your storage,boom, you got your Cloudflare.83200:52:42,179 --> 00:52:46,259Yeah, that's, so what Dropboxspaces does is it does that for83300:52:46,259 --> 00:52:49,709you. You're just uploading thefiles, and you can decide to83400:52:49,709 --> 00:52:52,679serve them through a CDN. So youdon't have to set up a separate83500:52:52,829 --> 00:52:55,199wildflower and cool Cloudflareinstance,83600:52:55,229 --> 00:52:57,929oh, I didn't realize that. Okay,so they have the API to all83700:52:57,929 --> 00:52:59,249those other things. That's cool.83800:52:59,550 --> 00:53:04,290They do. And it's $5 a month,and you get 250 gigabytes of83900:53:04,290 --> 00:53:08,460storage and one terabyte ofbandwidth.84000:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,820That's about half an hour forthe no agenda show. Yeah.84100:53:13,289 --> 00:53:16,529I think the CDN should probablycut down on that quite a bit for84200:53:16,529 --> 00:53:18,059any of those static files.84300:53:18,299 --> 00:53:20,549That's cool, man.Congratulations. What a great84400:53:20,549 --> 00:53:21,089idea.84500:53:21,630 --> 00:53:24,540Yeah, and I figured five bucks amonth, and especially if a few84600:53:24,540 --> 00:53:27,480bands decided to get together,because I don't think they're84700:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,570going to be using the oneterabyte for a few three minute84800:53:30,570 --> 00:53:35,340songs, especially this early on,where people just aren't using84900:53:35,340 --> 00:53:39,120it yet. And then if it does getpopular, they can get they can85000:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,940increase their bandwidth bypaying an extra five bucks for85100:53:41,940 --> 00:53:42,930another terabyte.85200:53:43,170 --> 00:53:46,560Now, how are you? How are youworking into this equation with85300:53:46,560 --> 00:53:47,670the value for value?85400:53:48,599 --> 00:53:54,209So I've got I've got an ln URLon the front screen that anyone85500:53:54,209 --> 00:53:59,699can scan if they want to donate.And then I've got a button where85600:53:59,699 --> 00:54:02,939when you're putting in the valueblock, it asks you if you want85700:54:02,939 --> 00:54:07,019to add sovereign feeds to thevalue block. Yeah, cool. Yeah,85800:54:07,019 --> 00:54:11,609that's what that's what you guysare doing. And then mixer is85900:54:11,609 --> 00:54:14,399doing that. And Mike Newman'sdoing that,86000:54:14,460 --> 00:54:19,590dude, Mike Newman just boostedus. 100,001 Satoshis. Oh,86100:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,550that's nice. Yeah. Just yeah,he's a nice guy. And he's super86200:54:23,550 --> 00:54:27,390helpful with with using theproduct and let me know and you86300:54:27,390 --> 00:54:28,620had a pain point, we might as86400:54:28,619 --> 00:54:32,789well get this one out of the waynow, is that added as a fee to86500:54:32,789 --> 00:54:36,419the split meaning, I want to seeif we all agree on this, that is86600:54:36,449 --> 00:54:40,139in addition to the to thepodcaster split.86700:54:40,770 --> 00:54:47,190So I put it as a fee for 5%. AndI can change that within the86800:54:47,190 --> 00:54:51,360program. But what you guys didwas you went ahead and manually86900:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,280added it as a 5% split.87000:54:53,550 --> 00:54:56,220Yeah, we were given it we'regiving it to you from our87100:54:57,750 --> 00:55:00,600because you know, its value forvalue. So we want it to come87200:55:00,600 --> 00:55:06,240from us? And I feel that'scorrect, because we're using you87300:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,120to create the feed. So we shouldbe taking the hit.87400:55:09,599 --> 00:55:14,819So yes, and that's so the Allit's doing is inserting me into87500:55:14,819 --> 00:55:17,789the value block that's in theRSS feed, right?87600:55:17,819 --> 00:55:21,089But is that as a split or a fee?It is. So87700:55:21,089 --> 00:55:23,699when you click that button, itgoes in as a fee,87800:55:24,359 --> 00:55:26,429which means it would be on topfor the listener.87900:55:27,750 --> 00:55:30,870Okay, so that's, that's whereI'm getting confused. Because,88000:55:31,500 --> 00:55:37,290yeah, the way I understand a feeis, if a listener boost 100088100:55:37,290 --> 00:55:41,010SATs to the podcaster, theyexpect 1000 SATs to come out of88200:55:41,010 --> 00:55:45,630their wallet. Now, does the feecome out of that 1000 SATs or88300:55:45,630 --> 00:55:49,590does it get added? Now when it'swithin the podcasters value88400:55:49,590 --> 00:55:54,540block? I think it should comeout of that it should come out88500:55:54,570 --> 00:55:58,980of that 1000 SATs because it'sin the podcasters value block. I88600:55:58,980 --> 00:56:01,890agree. And the podcaster has achoice over whether he wants88700:56:01,890 --> 00:56:03,150that to be a fee or not.88800:56:03,240 --> 00:56:06,900So Oh, okay. So fee would becomes off the top before the88900:56:06,900 --> 00:56:09,420split is made? Or you're part ofthe actual split?89000:56:09,539 --> 00:56:12,419Yes. Now we have a differenttype of fee, which would be an89100:56:12,419 --> 00:56:15,869app fee. Yes. Which thepodcaster doesn't have control89200:56:15,869 --> 00:56:19,319over? Right. So the question is,is does the app fee come off the89300:56:19,319 --> 00:56:22,889top? Or does it get added to theamount,89400:56:22,949 --> 00:56:26,609the way I would like it to be isit's added to the amount if it's89500:56:26,609 --> 00:56:31,859an app on the on the userslistener side. And I'm89600:56:31,860 --> 00:56:35,730going to so my idea is I'm goingto let the listener decide89700:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,180whether they so as long as theyunderstand when they're boosting89800:56:39,180 --> 00:56:45,0301000 SATs, that that only 950 ofit's going to the podcaster.89900:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,510They're ultimately choosing thatbecause they've chose that90000:56:48,510 --> 00:56:51,420option. But I'm also going togive them the option that they90100:56:51,420 --> 00:56:54,990can add it on top knowing thatwhen they boost 1000 SATs,90200:56:55,110 --> 00:56:59,130they're going to get 1050 takenout that way, whatever mental90300:56:59,130 --> 00:57:02,640model they have of how thatshould be working, when they90400:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,820click that boost button is howthat works. And they can see the90500:57:05,820 --> 00:57:07,080money coming out of theirwallet.90600:57:08,309 --> 00:57:10,949So you're leaving it up to theuser? And what is the default90700:57:10,949 --> 00:57:14,129that comes out of thepodcasters? Take? Um,90800:57:15,929 --> 00:57:23,009I don't know. I think that wouldprobably be my, my initial90900:57:23,009 --> 00:57:27,869implementation, because it'seasier with the logic. But I91000:57:27,869 --> 00:57:30,989don't have a dog in the fightwith one way or another.91100:57:32,550 --> 00:57:37,620The without risking getting backinto this again this week that91200:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,850that was the initial, theinitial reasoning behind taking91300:57:41,850 --> 00:57:46,440it out of the total, instead ofadding it to the top was for91400:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,730that was purely for the reasonof that you don't surprise the91500:57:50,730 --> 00:57:54,810listener when they chose Okay,I'm gonna send 1000 SATs and91600:57:54,810 --> 00:57:57,030then more than that came out oftheir wallet. And they're like,91700:57:57,030 --> 00:58:01,080whoa, wait a second. You know,where's it going? That was the91800:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,030original original thinking. So Ithink that, yeah, I think these91900:58:07,410 --> 00:58:10,680these explorations are just,it's just part of the maturing92000:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,850process in the market.92100:58:12,150 --> 00:58:15,780Yeah, like I said, I'm buildingthe interface for the listener,92200:58:15,780 --> 00:58:20,190because I want that userexperience to be as painless as92300:58:20,190 --> 00:58:24,030possible. So I'm thinking formyself when I set the boost to92400:58:24,030 --> 00:58:28,7101000. I don't want to have to dothis mental math of okay, I92500:58:28,710 --> 00:58:32,400guess I got I got 1000 SATs leftin my wallet, I'm going to drain92600:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,840the wallet. Now I have to go950, and then the amount that92700:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,380goes to the to the podcaster.And then how much is the app92800:58:40,380 --> 00:58:43,770going to take? I just want themto say hey, it's 1000 SATs.92900:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,390That's how much is coming out ofthe wallet. Yeah. But I93000:58:48,390 --> 00:58:52,260certainly understand from apodcaster point of view where93100:58:52,890 --> 00:58:56,550yeah, that that's ultimatelymoney that would be going to93200:58:56,550 --> 00:58:58,200them? Yeah.93300:59:00,329 --> 00:59:05,489So I understand why it was setup that way to protect the app93400:59:05,489 --> 00:59:08,909developer, but now the podcasterhas no protection.93500:59:11,460 --> 00:59:15,810Yeah, cuz as an app developer, Icould say 100%. And people may93600:59:15,810 --> 00:59:18,720not know if they're not checkingtheir transaction history.93700:59:18,990 --> 00:59:21,810Yeah. And I don't think it wouldbe nefarious like that. I don't93800:59:21,810 --> 00:59:24,960expect that to happen. And youknow, I've been told by friends93900:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,450to shut the fuck up and trustthe free market. So I'm trying94000:59:27,450 --> 00:59:33,390to do my best here. But, youknow, I, for instance, I don't94100:59:33,390 --> 00:59:37,530think you charge this but if Ifind 5% too much.94200:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,460Yeah, and I actually I do charge5% 3% goes to curio caster, I do94300:59:44,460 --> 00:59:48,5401% to the podcast index and 1%to Elon pay.94400:59:49,440 --> 00:59:55,050Right. No, I understand. But,you know, I give 5% to Dred94500:59:55,050 --> 01:00:00,810Scott, who does the chapters youknow, so I'm just looking at the94601:00:00,810 --> 01:00:04,860value for value because I got alot of different apps that have94701:00:04,860 --> 01:00:09,210different numbers. So we don'thave to get into the argument94801:00:09,210 --> 01:00:12,990again, is I feel like it's Ifeel just as passionate that I94901:00:12,990 --> 01:00:15,750should be paying out of mypodcast or split for for95001:00:15,750 --> 01:00:20,880sovereign feeds that I shouldn'tbe paying for it out of curio95101:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,140caster. And the reasoning Well,the listener will be surprised.95201:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,830That's just not a good UX. Youhaven't explained it, or I95301:00:28,830 --> 01:00:32,580haven't explained podcasting.2.0 isn't well understood, or,95401:00:33,420 --> 01:00:37,500or we're back to that verydebate, a value for value.95501:00:37,980 --> 01:00:41,160Because you're not actuallyasking the listener to value95601:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,530your stuff. You're saying, I'vebeen95701:00:44,490 --> 01:00:50,880thinking about ways that how canthis be monetized without me95801:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,680having to take a cut of of theboost at all. Because I95901:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,920originally, when I first hadthis, and it was called a tip96001:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,150jar, you could do individualboost. And my intention with96101:01:03,150 --> 01:01:07,140that was people could pick curiocaster as an individual boost if96201:01:07,140 --> 01:01:11,610they want it to. But also, ifthey really loved the drum solo96301:01:11,610 --> 01:01:14,730from a band, they can do that.And I've since removed that,96401:01:14,730 --> 01:01:18,450because I don't think that thelisteners should be able to96501:01:18,450 --> 01:01:23,220override what the podcasterwants. I agree. I agree. I think96601:01:23,220 --> 01:01:27,090that the booths should go towhatever the is in the value96701:01:27,090 --> 01:01:32,310block. So I'm trying to figureout ways that an app and96801:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,979what we've, what we've hit onhere is, and I've had time to96901:01:37,979 --> 01:01:42,089think about it from last week,is the actual Crux in the value97001:01:42,089 --> 01:01:46,229for value system. How are yougetting people to value you?97101:01:47,939 --> 01:01:53,399Because you're not feeling pain?Or gain necessarily doing it?97201:01:53,399 --> 01:02:01,229No, I'm saying it's like, whenwhen the split comes from the97301:02:01,229 --> 01:02:04,709podcaster, it's the podcaster,who gets less value, and then97401:02:04,709 --> 01:02:07,229has to say, Well, is this worthit to me now, I'm not saying97501:02:07,229 --> 01:02:11,609fight, but just philosophically5% 50%. And it's all about the97601:02:11,609 --> 01:02:15,989numbers. That's what value forvalue is. And it feels a bit97701:02:15,989 --> 01:02:22,139like podcasts, our appdevelopers in general, still97801:02:22,169 --> 01:02:26,489don't really want to say, hey,value my app, in and here's the97901:02:26,489 --> 01:02:30,719way you can do it. And this iswhat I'd like you to do. Which98001:02:30,719 --> 01:02:34,919would be voluntarily put, youknow, 5%, on top, or whatever98101:02:34,919 --> 01:02:38,909someone feels is, and you may besurprised. Whatever someone98201:02:38,909 --> 01:02:41,429feels is appropriate for theexperience they get from the98301:02:41,429 --> 01:02:45,749app, it's still coming. It'sinvisible to the user, the value98401:02:45,749 --> 01:02:47,999to the app, it's virtuallyinvisible.98501:02:48,539 --> 01:02:51,749Yeah, and I, what I'm leaningtowards is just giving them that98601:02:51,749 --> 01:02:57,749option. And they can choose thepercentage. I'm also thinking98701:02:57,749 --> 01:03:02,129about ways to how can I do aleaderboard like maybe as a98801:03:02,129 --> 01:03:05,549splash screen, when you firstload up, and I've got everything98901:03:05,699 --> 01:03:10,439loading, maybe there's a splashscreen that shows the top donors99001:03:10,469 --> 01:03:15,629or it can show a podcasterdecides to send a boost message99101:03:15,629 --> 01:03:21,089to curio caster with a link tohis podcast, so that he is doing99201:03:21,089 --> 01:03:25,109some sort of advertising, Imean, just like what comic strip99301:03:25,109 --> 01:03:29,639loggers doing within your guys'svalue segment, there could be a99401:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,879value segment as part of thesplash screen for the app99501:03:32,879 --> 01:03:33,569itself.99601:03:34,440 --> 01:03:35,250I don't think that's a great,99701:03:35,490 --> 01:03:40,290I'm just I'm, and I think we'redone. At developers, you're99801:03:40,290 --> 01:03:44,850selling yourself short, if youdon't ask people to support the99901:03:44,850 --> 01:03:49,290work you're doing in addition towhat they're doing in supporting100001:03:49,290 --> 01:03:53,070the work of podcasters whetherthat's, that's I mean, I don't100101:03:53,070 --> 01:03:55,500care how you do it. But I thinkyou should be a part of the100201:03:55,500 --> 01:03:58,290streaming sites and the and thebooster grams, because that's100301:03:58,290 --> 01:04:04,020where the money is, just to befrank about it. And I really100401:04:04,020 --> 01:04:07,890feel that you would be surprisedif instead of hiding it, you100501:04:07,890 --> 01:04:11,640know, because the user, the userwill be disappointed, upset and100601:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,690angry emails, etc. Then thedebate is not even being held100701:04:15,690 --> 01:04:18,750properly. The debate should be Iput this work into this, you100801:04:18,750 --> 01:04:21,450like this app, you like how itworks, I respond to your100901:04:21,450 --> 01:04:25,410request, I keep developing thisthing, I add new features. We go101001:04:25,470 --> 01:04:29,730on and on and on and on. Is thatworth 5%? On top of what you're101101:04:29,730 --> 01:04:33,870sending? Or is that worth, youknow, X amount per month, or101201:04:33,870 --> 01:04:38,550whatever your methodology is,it's still about to ask, and I'm101301:04:38,550 --> 01:04:43,830not and I've never consideredthis. I've only thought of value101401:04:43,830 --> 01:04:47,490for value, which does not workwithout the ask if you don't ask101501:04:47,490 --> 01:04:50,910and you don't have the feedbackloop. So your leaderboard is101601:04:50,910 --> 01:04:54,780part of I think part of theright system. But developers101701:04:54,780 --> 01:04:59,010have to also under figure outhow to ask just like podcasters101801:04:59,430 --> 01:05:02,640and the reason The reason is youwill benefit you will get a101901:05:02,640 --> 01:05:03,720shitload more.102001:05:04,139 --> 01:05:06,509No, I agree. And I've beenthinking about how that can be102101:05:06,509 --> 01:05:09,419done. Because how many timeshave you gone on the Wikipedia102201:05:09,419 --> 01:05:13,889page? And there is the ifeverybody just donated $5, we'll102301:05:13,889 --> 01:05:14,789be done with Okay.102401:05:15,030 --> 01:05:18,480Thank you. This is thank youvery much. Welcome to value for102501:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,930value, I'll tell you exactlywhat happens there. Because once102601:05:21,930 --> 01:05:24,930a year, maybe once every twoyears, I click that button,102701:05:24,930 --> 01:05:27,780because I think, you know, Islag them off, it's a piece of102801:05:27,780 --> 01:05:31,200shit, but I always use it duringmy live shows, I'll donate to102901:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,620them, the total number of valuefor value donors that you're103001:05:34,620 --> 01:05:39,060going to get is going to beabout 4%. That's it, don't103101:05:39,060 --> 01:05:43,320expect everyone to do it. Andthat's not the value for value103201:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,830model. Now, why does it work forWikipedia? Or Wikimedia? Why did103301:05:46,830 --> 01:05:53,160they raise 35 to $50 million?Because there's 95% of the103401:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,600people do nothing. There's 1%,like me who you know, 100 bucks,103501:05:57,630 --> 01:06:01,530250, or something like that. Andthen you have someone who come103601:06:01,530 --> 01:06:05,340in with 10,000 A million. That'show it works. And I can't103701:06:05,340 --> 01:06:11,100explain why. But like last week,we got now deemed to pay to our103801:06:11,100 --> 01:06:17,040boost. You know, and that thatmade our month that literally103901:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,300made our month in booster grams.That's how it works. You go and104001:06:21,300 --> 01:06:24,570there's a gamification elementin that, which I hate calling it104101:06:24,570 --> 01:06:27,570gamification. It's called arecognition, where you thank104201:06:27,570 --> 01:06:31,230someone for what they did thatinspires other people. Now, how104301:06:31,230 --> 01:06:34,020you do that in software? I'm notexactly sure. I think the104401:06:34,020 --> 01:06:36,930leaderboards ideas are good.I've seen a lot. I mean, I'm104501:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,590always buying a cup of coffee,if that's the only option. And I104601:06:40,590 --> 01:06:44,340usually buy the cup of coffeeand say, Can I give you 50 bucks104701:06:45,210 --> 01:06:46,620to an open source project?104801:06:47,670 --> 01:06:51,690Now, have you considered how doyou increase that? 4%? Because104901:06:52,140 --> 01:06:53,010every listen,105001:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,220you can't, you can't You don'tyou don't increase, you don't105101:06:56,220 --> 01:07:03,120increase the 4%, you increasethe value proposition by adding105201:07:03,120 --> 01:07:07,500new features and then saying,Hey, we started off at 1%. But105301:07:07,500 --> 01:07:09,990now we've done this, this andthis, would you consider doing105401:07:09,990 --> 01:07:13,4103%? Or you know what? Why don'tyou put in the percentage you105501:07:13,410 --> 01:07:17,070think this is worth? That'swhere you need to get to you105601:07:17,070 --> 01:07:21,510need to get to people being ableto do open ended. And at the105701:07:21,510 --> 01:07:25,170same moment, right, it having aQR code is great, but it's105801:07:25,170 --> 01:07:27,720separate from the wholefunctionality. I would have a105901:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,150button right there right next toboost.106001:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,080Yeah, I've considered doing thatin sovereign feeds, where you106101:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,370can just look at106201:07:35,370 --> 01:07:37,860links, you can link them, youcan unlink them. And there's all106301:07:37,860 --> 01:07:41,130kinds of ways that's thecreativity you have to have. And106401:07:41,130 --> 01:07:45,300I, I smell fear. And I don'tmean that in a bad way. But it's106501:07:45,300 --> 01:07:47,850not the fear of not makingmoney. It's the fear of asking,106601:07:48,270 --> 01:07:52,560How do I I'm so humble here, youknow, I don't want you to get106701:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,520pissed off because it comes outof the podcasters portion. Now,106801:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,550man, be upfront, just shit isgreat. But I106901:07:59,550 --> 01:08:02,640think a lot of developers don'twant to annoy their users with107001:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,520pop ups and asks and that kindof thing. Because it's become107101:08:05,520 --> 01:08:12,240sort of like, is because becomelooked down upon to to be that107201:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,680way. But at the same time, but Ithink it's been part of that is107301:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,030that it's never been done. Andand it's not been honest. So107401:08:21,030 --> 01:08:24,510there's always been, you know,historically within like Apple's107501:08:24,510 --> 01:08:28,620ecosystem, it's a rate our appand it would pop up right at the107601:08:28,620 --> 01:08:33,420worst time, it would be annoyingto your user. And it but it was107701:08:33,420 --> 01:08:37,590all this sort of reallyroundabout gamification of107801:08:37,590 --> 01:08:41,670trying to get you to rate theapp. So that that would be you107901:08:41,670 --> 01:08:46,530know, boost their presence more.It's like, I don't want to play108001:08:46,530 --> 01:08:51,540your game sort of thing. Whereasjust coming out and asking and108101:08:51,540 --> 01:08:56,220saying, Hey, would you minddonating? Cuz we need money?108201:08:56,250 --> 01:08:58,050Well, I mean, that's justhonest.108301:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,470I agree with you. And but I'mnot talking about pop ups and108401:09:01,470 --> 01:09:06,540ticklers and reminders. That'sbullshit. Now, you get the app108501:09:06,630 --> 01:09:11,490high set up your wallet. Hey,this takes time I give 1% to108601:09:11,490 --> 01:09:17,880podcast index, I gave 1% to Elonpay, who works the wallets? 3%.108701:09:18,150 --> 01:09:21,090Would you like to add that ontop of everything? If not, I'm108801:09:21,090 --> 01:09:23,700gonna put this little buttonnext to the boost button, which108901:09:23,700 --> 01:09:26,340allows you to give me somethingwhen you feel it's appropriate.109001:09:26,550 --> 01:09:29,820I mean, that's just one idea.Right? But that's not you don't109101:09:29,820 --> 01:09:33,420need pop ups and ticklers andads and banners or anything like109201:09:33,420 --> 01:09:36,900that. That is in fact, the oldshitty model that I think most109301:09:36,900 --> 01:09:39,930people you know, they deal withit and then eventually they109401:09:39,930 --> 01:09:44,580might wind up paying 295 a monthbut again, it's like even you109501:09:44,580 --> 01:09:47,940Dave have complained. How come Ican't give you 295 a month to109601:09:47,940 --> 01:09:49,980some apps. I've heard usuallythis109701:09:50,220 --> 01:09:52,380yellow. Let me give you aperfect example of what I did109801:09:52,380 --> 01:09:57,750this week. In my night, thisweek, I've been working on109901:09:57,750 --> 01:10:05,430getting my cron job boosts setup So I have a script that will110001:10:05,760 --> 01:10:12,180directly send from ln CLI with,with the appropriate TLV records110101:10:12,180 --> 01:10:16,770and everything. So I just abuilding this, this script where110201:10:16,770 --> 01:10:20,940I can just put in a podcast onthe command line, a podcast ID,110301:10:20,970 --> 01:10:26,010a feed ID, and then a messageand an amount. And it will pull110401:10:26,010 --> 01:10:30,510all the data pulled the podcast,value blog, it will go through110501:10:30,510 --> 01:10:35,400all that is where I can justboost a show directly out of the110601:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,230API from the command line. And,and then I'll put it in a cron110701:10:40,230 --> 01:10:42,480job. I think we did we,110801:10:42,510 --> 01:10:45,510I think we did develop thatsystem on this very show the110901:10:45,510 --> 01:10:49,770whole idea of a man line forcedin a cron job, I love that you111001:10:49,770 --> 01:10:51,450did that I needed to now.111101:10:51,810 --> 01:10:53,760Okay, well, I'll give you thescript. When I'm done. I'll open111201:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,330source and of course, likeeverything, but the, the thing,111301:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,710the reason I did that was, itstarted it started with with two111401:11:02,250 --> 01:11:06,450podcasts. And then when my sonhad his accident, and in my111501:11:06,450 --> 01:11:09,780podcast listening went way downfor a while, because I mean, I'm111601:11:09,780 --> 01:11:13,650like, uh, you know, I'm like anhour a day, podcast listener111701:11:13,650 --> 01:11:19,440easily. And the when, when Istarted really struggling to111801:11:19,440 --> 01:11:24,210find enough time to listen, Istarted to feel guilty, because111901:11:24,210 --> 01:11:29,460like one, one show in particularcausality by John cIgi. I love112001:11:29,460 --> 01:11:31,890that show. It's one of myfavorite podcasts. But he112101:11:31,890 --> 01:11:35,670doesn't post very often, he onlyposts a new show, sometimes once112201:11:35,670 --> 01:11:39,270a month or less, or even less,because the nature of these112301:11:39,270 --> 01:11:42,870shows is it takes tons of timeto do research. I mean, it's112401:11:42,870 --> 01:11:46,920just so research heavy. So it'sunderstandable that it takes a112501:11:46,920 --> 01:11:52,950long time. But I don't want tohave to wait to it's not about112601:11:52,950 --> 01:11:58,080the money necessarily. It'sabout I want him to see the112701:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,940boosts come in to motivate himto keep going. And I want him I112801:12:02,940 --> 01:12:06,870want those to come in on a moreregular basis. And so I went and112901:12:06,870 --> 01:12:09,930looked at the Patreon and I waslike, okay, he's got different113001:12:09,930 --> 01:12:14,850levels of support here. He's gotlike, a $5 $10 $20 a month, $50113101:12:14,850 --> 01:12:19,260a month. And then I start backme back figuring Okay, how much113201:12:19,260 --> 01:12:22,680is that in SATs? And so I'mlike, Okay, I want to be a113301:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,040silver level producer, which isone of his Patreon level only113401:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,220silver level producer, Iconverted that into SAS, then113501:12:29,220 --> 01:12:32,100divided it up into four weeks.And I'm like, Okay, I'm going to113601:12:32,100 --> 01:12:35,160send him that much each week inorder to be a silver level113701:12:35,160 --> 01:12:40,290producer. But I'm going to do itmore frequently than once a once113801:12:40,290 --> 01:12:45,360per show or once per month. Thatway he sees he gets the the113901:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,140feedback as a podcaster. Andhe's like, oh, you know, cool.114001:12:49,140 --> 01:12:52,260It keeps him motivated to keepgoing with the show. So then I114101:12:52,260 --> 01:12:56,670extrapolate that out into othershows like another one is it for114201:12:56,670 --> 01:12:58,950different reasons. And otherones everything everywhere daily114301:12:58,980 --> 01:13:05,880by Gary aren't, I want to sendhim. I love every one of his114401:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,510episodes, and I boost them everytime I listen to him. But he has114501:13:09,510 --> 01:13:13,620so much content I can't consumeat all, because he's a daily114601:13:13,620 --> 01:13:18,180podcast. So they're, again, afault of I'm going to fall back114701:13:18,180 --> 01:13:22,710to the cronjob boost and boosthim on a regular basis. That way114801:13:22,710 --> 01:13:26,160I can make sure that I'm notlosing track. And I'm giving him114901:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,480a predictable amount of money.So think some of these, some of115001:13:30,480 --> 01:13:31,560these models.115101:13:32,460 --> 01:13:35,130We haven't even started toexplore Dave, this is something115201:13:35,130 --> 01:13:37,650that any app could provide. Imean, there's all kinds of115301:13:37,650 --> 01:13:41,010things to consider. But any appcan say, Hey, would you know115401:13:41,010 --> 01:13:43,140right next to the boost button,would you like to send this115501:13:43,140 --> 01:13:47,730podcast, X amount per week, permonth or whatever, you know,115601:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,860automatically? Stuff like that?I115701:13:49,860 --> 01:13:52,920would love that. Yeah, I wouldlove that. And I think Alex is115801:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,410exactly what I was trying to getto is that notion that we115901:13:55,410 --> 01:13:55,860haven't,116001:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,650we haven't even explored it. Wehaven't explored it. And that's116101:13:58,650 --> 01:14:02,280also a value for value. It's notreal time streaming sexy as116201:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,010shit. But okay, you know, wewant to do that we do that.116301:14:05,580 --> 01:14:08,610what Alex said something theother day. He said I don't think116401:14:08,610 --> 01:14:14,040podcasters have. I don't thinkpodcasters fully understand open116501:14:14,040 --> 01:14:19,410source yet. I think he's rightat this. It's very, it's very116601:14:19,410 --> 01:14:22,590new to the podcast world. Andand I'm not saying there's never116701:14:22,590 --> 01:14:23,250been open source.116801:14:24,660 --> 01:14:27,120point about this to your right.Yeah, that's yeah, I'm not116901:14:27,120 --> 01:14:31,710saying that. There's never beenit. But the really podcasting as117001:14:31,710 --> 01:14:35,820an industry, you know, whateverthat means, has been dominated117101:14:35,820 --> 01:14:41,430by proprietary closed systems.Very. It went that way early.117201:14:41,670 --> 01:14:44,760And it's been that way eversince greed. It's a bringing117301:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,870open source. Bringing opensource and free software, ethos117401:14:48,870 --> 01:14:52,620and values into the podcastecosystem is something that117501:14:52,620 --> 01:14:55,260they're not used to and I thinkit's there's a there's a117601:14:55,260 --> 01:14:56,940learning curve that has tohappen.117701:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,300And from the developmentstandpoint as well, I mean, heli117801:15:00,300 --> 01:15:03,570pad, which I know you just didan open update, and you're117901:15:03,570 --> 01:15:07,770working on, you know that nextversion, that thing is open118001:15:07,770 --> 01:15:12,120source. It's screaming forfeatures, I mean, just118101:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,690screaming, and that what I'mseeing is, you know, poor James118201:15:15,690 --> 01:15:20,010Cridland is trying to get inthere and make stuff cool. We118301:15:20,010 --> 01:15:23,190have real developers hoveringaround who could make the heli118401:15:23,190 --> 01:15:28,320pad, like a Swiss Army knife ofpodcasting back end. I mean,118501:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,920it's unbelievable. I, I wantcharts, I want stats, I want118601:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,990graphs, I want timelines, I wantto be able to click on it and118701:15:36,990 --> 01:15:39,810heavy pad, oh, here's a boost.What moment in the show was that118801:15:39,810 --> 01:15:42,960boosted all of this stuff?That's all there. There's no118901:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,930culture around creatingpodcasting apps that way in the119001:15:45,930 --> 01:15:48,720open source, or both? There's noopen source culture in119101:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,260podcasting, that way that peopleare saying, Oh, shit, let me and119201:15:52,260 --> 01:15:55,980also because most developers maynot be podcasters. You know,119301:15:55,980 --> 01:15:58,950they don't know what podcasterswant. You You now understand119401:15:59,580 --> 01:16:02,550that in there's there's athere's this. You know, there's119501:16:02,550 --> 01:16:06,420always been like, there's beensome podcast apps like Katy ease119601:16:06,420 --> 01:16:08,850AB casts and things like that.And there's been like, podcasts119701:16:08,850 --> 01:16:11,880generator, there's been the sortof one off projects. But the119801:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,460idea Yeah, but you're exactlywhat you're saying the idea that119901:16:14,460 --> 01:16:19,230somebody did, you would haveopen source across the entire120001:16:19,230 --> 01:16:24,060stack of things. And it's sortof like, you're turning it into120101:16:24,060 --> 01:16:29,010an open source sort of world.That is just something that I120201:16:29,010 --> 01:16:32,640don't think anybody has, thatit's new, new, let's just say120301:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,900heli pad could deliver moreexciting, meaningful analytics120401:16:36,900 --> 01:16:43,290to podcasters than anythingSpotify has. momentarily. Yeah,120501:16:43,440 --> 01:16:46,620it really, really could. It'sexciting from a programming120601:16:46,620 --> 01:16:52,080standpoint, with humaninteraction, human data that is120701:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,320different because of humaninteraction. It's fantastic120801:16:55,320 --> 01:16:55,950stuff there.120901:16:57,030 --> 01:16:59,490Yeah. And then once you put thatstuff out into like,121001:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,620fucking what is that? Is that isthat react? Do you do that and121101:17:01,620 --> 01:17:05,670react? Yeah, I'll just go dothat myself sick and tired of121201:17:05,670 --> 01:17:06,810waiting for developers?121301:17:07,140 --> 01:17:10,680The day I do react will be theday that Mitch down, he cries121401:17:10,680 --> 01:17:11,610and it was curious,121501:17:12,030 --> 01:17:16,920as Steven B put this into intosovereign feeds, man, you know,121601:17:17,250 --> 01:17:18,690there is there it is.121701:17:20,340 --> 01:17:24,090Spencer, where they were talkingabout this on April craft121801:17:24,090 --> 01:17:29,580because they want features andheli pad. And Spencer was121901:17:29,580 --> 01:17:32,820mentioning that it's difficultbecause he doesn't know the code122001:17:32,820 --> 01:17:36,270base, because I think part ofit's in Rust, the whole thing's122101:17:36,270 --> 01:17:39,660in Rust you Okay, so he saidthat part of it is he would love122201:17:39,660 --> 01:17:44,250to get in there. But he is afront end developer. So one of122301:17:44,250 --> 01:17:48,540the issues with open source is,if you don't know the language122401:17:48,540 --> 01:17:52,320that libraries written in, now,you've got this whole nother122501:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,290thing of learning that languageif you want to contribute to it,122601:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,410which is why they were talkingabout, okay, how can we122701:17:58,410 --> 01:18:02,670incentivize people know thelanguage to show interest in122801:18:02,670 --> 01:18:07,830developing it? Because maybeDred Scott, who he's got money122901:18:07,830 --> 01:18:11,490to give to everyone, but may nothave the time or the coding123001:18:11,490 --> 01:18:15,390knowledge. So how could heincentivize someone to develop123101:18:15,390 --> 01:18:17,430this thing? Because he can't doit himself?123201:18:19,620 --> 01:18:23,160Yeah, I've got well, I've got anidea that that I would like to123301:18:23,160 --> 01:18:23,790discuss.123401:18:24,090 --> 01:18:29,010Okay, one moment. Board MemberDave Jones has the talking123501:18:29,010 --> 01:18:29,400stick.123601:18:31,020 --> 01:18:35,130point of personal privilege. Iwould like to, I would like for123701:18:35,130 --> 01:18:37,530us as a board to consider, oh,123801:18:37,530 --> 01:18:38,550here, here we go.123901:18:39,270 --> 01:18:39,630This is124001:18:40,950 --> 01:18:43,590when someone says that thisokay, bullshit coming. All124101:18:43,590 --> 01:18:46,470right. What do you want us toconsider as a board? Okay.124201:18:46,500 --> 01:18:49,290Anytime somebody says as aboard, it means I want you all124301:18:49,290 --> 01:18:51,240to do all the work and I'm justgoing to come up with the idea.124401:18:51,270 --> 01:18:56,940Yes. No, no, for real, though.What I think at some point,124501:18:57,510 --> 01:19:03,210maybe we do a podcasting 2.0hackathon. I think this is a I124601:19:03,210 --> 01:19:08,070think this is a legit idea.Like, and so we put out a good124701:19:08,070 --> 01:19:12,660idea and about have some kind ofbounty. And bounty implies that124801:19:12,660 --> 01:19:14,730we have a certain thing we'rewanting to develop. But this is124901:19:14,730 --> 01:19:17,640more like a hackathon. It's likewe put out a prize let's just125001:19:17,640 --> 01:19:25,470say it's 3 million sets. And yousay okay, there's 3 million sets125101:19:25,530 --> 01:19:30,810up for grabs the top like andthen everybody who wants to125201:19:30,810 --> 01:19:36,540participate go and developsomething super cool. That has a125301:19:36,540 --> 01:19:40,710podcast at least one podcasting2.0 feature to it. And that can125401:19:40,710 --> 01:19:44,310be either lightning related orpodcasting related or all of the125501:19:44,310 --> 01:19:51,360above and no rules. And then weand then when the when the when125601:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,390the hackathon closes, it couldgo for like, you know, three125701:19:54,390 --> 01:19:57,630months or something like that.And then when it closes, we125801:19:57,630 --> 01:20:00,480check out all the projects andand do some press Is this okay,125901:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,140two questions.126001:20:02,010 --> 01:20:05,850One, okay. Hackathons, aren'tthey supposed to be 48 hours? A126101:20:05,850 --> 01:20:08,280lot of coffee and pizza? Whatthe hell is this three months126201:20:08,280 --> 01:20:09,030bull crap.126301:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,770Well, when somebody comes inlike, with us thinking the extra126401:20:13,770 --> 01:20:17,610time allotted because people maywant to get in on this that126501:20:17,610 --> 01:20:20,790don't, it takes some time to getup and running in the podcast126601:20:20,790 --> 01:20:24,630world. Maybe they're not. Therehasn't been any podcasting126701:20:24,630 --> 01:20:27,120hackathons to my knowledge. Sowe may have people coming in126801:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,760from the from the Bitcoin worldthat don't know crap about126901:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,690podcasting. And so127001:20:30,690 --> 01:20:33,930we're gonna, we're gonna callthat's what I like about it. A127101:20:33,930 --> 01:20:38,430podcasting 2.0 hackathon. I'llgo, I'll go get the prize money.127201:20:39,150 --> 01:20:43,290I'll get something bigger than 3million SATs. Okay. Yeah, I'll127301:20:43,290 --> 01:20:46,980see if we can in. It'll probablybe anonymous though.127401:20:46,980 --> 01:20:48,990Right? Why shouldn't thisshouldn't the prize being SATs?127501:20:49,020 --> 01:20:51,870That's got to be in SATs? Yeah,of course. But it should be it127601:20:51,870 --> 01:20:55,950should be like 10 million orsomething. You know, something's127701:20:57,150 --> 01:20:59,160as I said, Knowing hackers ifyou give them three months, the127801:20:59,160 --> 01:21:00,360last two days will be 95.127901:21:02,190 --> 01:21:06,780I would like it to be a littleshorter than the house calling128001:21:06,780 --> 01:21:07,110me go128101:21:07,110 --> 01:21:10,920away and maybe what maybe amonth isn't the128201:21:11,190 --> 01:21:14,490timeline to be determined. Arewe are we the jury?128301:21:15,750 --> 01:21:18,240The show is the jury at theboard meeting is the jury128401:21:19,710 --> 01:21:24,480sketchy okay yes yeah, no. Idon't want I don't want people128501:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,300to get mad at us if we say wellthis is what we think is the128601:21:27,300 --> 01:21:30,030winner or do we have multiplewell we can work it out. Great128701:21:30,030 --> 01:21:30,420idea128801:21:30,450 --> 01:21:33,060board is the board meeting is asa whole not just the two of us128901:21:33,060 --> 01:21:35,850will bring in some though. Bringan expert will bring Steven B129001:21:35,850 --> 01:21:37,680and bring bring some experts in.129101:21:38,640 --> 01:21:39,750Oh, man, guys,129201:21:40,020 --> 01:21:43,620have you guys been onInstructables, Instructables?129301:21:43,980 --> 01:21:49,320Yes. The website that shows youyou can basically say I'm going129401:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,530to show you how to make a waterbottle rocket and then you know,129501:21:52,530 --> 01:21:55,200yeah, yeah. And then you showthat step by step. They have129601:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,830tons of contest on it, they havewoodworking contest or concrete129701:21:58,830 --> 01:22:03,750contest or turning trash intotreasure contest. And basically129801:22:03,750 --> 01:22:07,380everybody submits theirinstructable and then you may129901:22:07,380 --> 01:22:10,440have very similar things butthey pick the grand prize winner130001:22:10,440 --> 01:22:13,740and a second place and thirdplace. And now we've got several130101:22:13,740 --> 01:22:18,210projects that may be similar butnow you've also got in this130201:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,470ecosystem, different options fordifferent people because maybe130301:22:22,470 --> 01:22:24,990someone doesn't like Halle padmaybe they want a different130401:22:25,020 --> 01:22:28,770thing. And just like we havedifferent podcast apps, why130501:22:28,770 --> 01:22:32,160can't we have different boostergram display apps and we're130601:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,710gonna do a really big I don'tknow squad cast, zoom or130701:22:37,710 --> 01:22:40,320something. And we'll just keepwe'll just keep streaming live130801:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,750and checking in with with eachdevelopment team130901:22:43,260 --> 01:22:48,93024 724 hours a day stream? Yeah,exactly. No, I liked it. I liked131001:22:48,930 --> 01:22:52,200the idea of throwing, taking allthe projects, put them together131101:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,500in a repo and then throwing itout there to to the to the131201:22:55,500 --> 01:22:58,200community to say okay, noweverybody vote or something.131301:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,340We should get podcast creatorsinvolved in this.131401:23:03,060 --> 01:23:03,960Yeah, yeah.131501:23:03,990 --> 01:23:06,480That's the piece that's that'salways missing. Well, I know131601:23:06,480 --> 01:23:08,190what I want for Christmas.131701:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,820Maybe we throw it over to theJupiter Branca to Chris Fisher131801:23:11,850 --> 01:23:12,120and his131901:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,520There you go. Oh, there132001:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,430you go. There podcasters inthere and they do132101:23:17,430 --> 01:23:20,670on they understand. I don't knowif they're coders necessarily.132201:23:21,150 --> 01:23:24,330Maybe I'll ping up. I'll pingChris and see what he see what132301:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,640he's taking on. Maybe we can putsomething together. Really fun.132401:23:26,640 --> 01:23:26,850And132501:23:26,850 --> 01:23:30,270Deb's over at Spotify and Appleyou're welcome to everyone's132601:23:30,270 --> 01:23:31,800welcome to come in. Oh, yeah.132701:23:31,830 --> 01:23:33,270Yeah. Yeah, no yen,132801:23:33,420 --> 01:23:37,950which by the way is the escapehatch for Spotify. And Mr. Eck?132901:23:40,470 --> 01:23:44,250Podcasting 2.0 Go forward, go godeep, baby. Go all the way133001:23:44,430 --> 01:23:47,790balls to the wall, in yourwalls, and everybody's welcome.133101:23:47,909 --> 01:23:52,169Everybody's welcome. Go forward,boom. You know, we'll cut you in133201:23:52,259 --> 01:23:55,739you take how many whatever splityou want. Do whatever you want.133301:23:55,739 --> 01:24:02,369I won't promote you if you takeit from my cut, but okay. So I133401:24:02,369 --> 01:24:05,249want to congratulate comics forblogger for being the first133501:24:05,249 --> 01:24:06,209space booster133601:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,690was that the one that was theone Yeah,133701:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,190I we had spectrum go down hereand I just got my star link and133801:24:14,190 --> 01:24:17,880so my node was down for a fewhours. I didn't even realize it133901:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,770because I was messing aroundwith the star link which worked134001:24:19,770 --> 01:24:24,030fine. And then comics yourblogger pops up. I have all134101:24:24,030 --> 01:24:27,600green Bhagwan has not got this,how it is how he talks usually134201:24:28,470 --> 01:24:33,570when he's talking to me. And sowhich means Oh, something a134301:24:33,570 --> 01:24:38,340notice failing and of course andI I'm maintainer of the liquid,134401:24:38,610 --> 01:24:44,850Chief liquidity officer, clo cloand I was like, oh, okay, oh, my134501:24:44,850 --> 01:24:50,190note is down crap. Okay. So Ihook it up to the to the Wi Fi134601:24:50,190 --> 01:24:54,750for the Starlink and he boostedagain and it came through. Now134701:24:54,780 --> 01:24:58,200it takes a little longer as wediscussed earlier when he's134801:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,410doing tour and all kinds ofother stuff. Oberstar link, but134901:25:01,410 --> 01:25:04,620it worked. So that was the firstofficial space boost.135001:25:04,980 --> 01:25:08,580That's cool. Hey, did you guysknow that? This Thursday the135101:25:08,580 --> 01:25:12,570seventh is when the firstbooster gram was sent? No, I135201:25:12,570 --> 01:25:15,390didn't know that who sent thefirst grams are still less than135301:25:15,390 --> 01:25:19,080a year old who sent the firstbooster gram. I sent it to Dave135401:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,500because back when Oh, that'sright jar. Yes. Yeah, they were135501:25:22,500 --> 01:25:25,200called. It's called a messageboost. And then we were trying135601:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,020to figure out whose name waspayment messages or135701:25:29,010 --> 01:25:32,160a message boost. Oh, how farwe've come in such a short135801:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,040amount of time. We've grantedthat a year Can you believe135901:25:35,040 --> 01:25:35,370that?136001:25:35,700 --> 01:25:39,540Congratulations to match on theplayer in bed for pod verse. I136101:25:39,540 --> 01:25:42,690just saw that. I want to makesure I promote that because I136201:25:42,690 --> 01:25:46,200love those things. I love thoselittle widgets you can put on136301:25:46,200 --> 01:25:47,760your page and we'll be usingthat.136401:25:50,310 --> 01:25:53,880What was that the July 7, hesaid was the anniversary of the136501:25:53,880 --> 01:25:54,510first boost?136601:25:54,780 --> 01:25:57,330Yeah, you're going back into thedatabase.136701:25:58,169 --> 01:25:59,939Yeah, I was gonna see if I canfind it. Here's what I'm gonna136801:25:59,939 --> 01:26:02,159do. I'm gonna find it. I'm goingto turn it into an NST136901:26:02,190 --> 01:26:10,950Yeah, not you're talking. I'mgonna do a couple of our if you137001:26:10,950 --> 01:26:13,890guys don't mind, I just think acouple of the live boosters that137101:26:13,890 --> 01:26:16,470we've had throughout your showpeople who've probably heard the137201:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,550sound popping through those thatare that have a message. Tim137301:26:20,550 --> 01:26:23,730apple 10,000 SATs Happy Fourthof July weekend. Thank you Tim.137401:26:23,730 --> 01:26:28,050Mike Newman. There he is.100,001 Satoshis. And his137501:26:28,050 --> 01:26:31,560booster gram this picture of JCDat Podcast Movement make this137601:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,670happen. Yeah. I'd love toThat'll be the day Yeah, right.137701:26:35,670 --> 01:26:41,040I can't get them on the plane.Blueberry 3333 h three h three.137801:26:41,520 --> 01:26:45,000Hey, he described in their ownwords and seven seconds. Oh, he137901:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,560has some. Here's a link to asound file. Okay, why not? Why138001:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,250not go boys risky. Send me sendme a dot exe man. Don't be a138101:26:53,250 --> 01:26:53,790pussy.138201:26:55,680 --> 01:26:56,790A VB scripts. Yeah,138301:26:56,820 --> 01:26:59,430that's VB script homeless. Let'ssee what do you sent in? Hold on138401:26:59,430 --> 01:27:03,570a second. I'll save this. It'srisky because you don't know138501:27:03,570 --> 01:27:05,070what it could be. But we'll find138601:27:05,070 --> 01:27:08,340out. He's like this wholegovernmental body was scientists138701:27:08,340 --> 01:27:11,010and shit. They just tell us whatto do. You don't have to think138801:27:11,010 --> 01:27:11,370about it.138901:27:12,780 --> 01:27:15,990Okay, completely uncompressedincomprehensible for the show.139001:27:16,680 --> 01:27:25,650No, no, appreciate it. 2222 fromMacintosh go podcasting. And139101:27:25,650 --> 01:27:31,080there we have another101,000 100,001 Satoshis from139201:27:31,080 --> 01:27:39,120Nike Mike Newman bringing histotal today to 200,002 SATs we139301:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,310roll that out for him Do we Ithink we roll it out for him139401:27:41,310 --> 01:27:41,520don't139501:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,570Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Sakala 20 isbleh139601:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,320on am Paula is boosted gram liveboosting is lit boost like139701:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,680immediate people big thanks forthe team PC two Oh from an139801:27:52,740 --> 01:27:55,500apprentice level podcasts areout here Special thanks to139901:27:55,500 --> 01:27:59,190Steven B. For his fearlessrunning with sovereign feed says140001:27:59,190 --> 01:28:01,680there's gold podcast podcast Say140101:28:02,010 --> 01:28:09,660amen to that. Thanks Mike. MikeMike is not exact he's not full140201:28:09,660 --> 01:28:14,670like three will motion on the inthe in the Impala like you know140301:28:14,700 --> 01:28:17,880like Peter. But he's got he'sgot curved feelers. He's got the140401:28:17,910 --> 01:28:21,810he's got a little shiny bumper.He sees these Jason it up. Yeah,140501:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,760definitely. Another 20 to 22 Rowducks from blueberry. We got140601:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,030Carolyn, I'm sorry. Andblueberry said insert boost140701:28:30,030 --> 01:28:40,170here. Okay. Carolyn 7777 striperboost. I saw I saw some live140801:28:40,170 --> 01:28:42,810music last weekend for the firsttime in years now the musician140901:28:42,810 --> 01:28:46,200was just singing and playingguitar next to him was a jar141001:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,680that said tips. And of course,all I could think of were SATs141101:28:49,890 --> 01:28:53,040could live music 2.0 be a thing.Happy Independence Day from141201:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,390Scandinavia. Happy Canada Day.Yes, of course. Of course. I141301:28:57,390 --> 01:29:00,720think that's I think that'sexactly where everyone needs to141401:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,160go. If you want to141501:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,550ask she's got a QR code on apiece of paper in the tip jar.141601:29:06,090 --> 01:29:07,470There you go. There's an idea,141701:29:07,530 --> 01:29:08,790a lightning invoice.141801:29:09,990 --> 01:29:14,370I wanted to work on an app wherethe QR code is up on the screen141901:29:14,370 --> 01:29:18,000behind the band. And they shouldjust scan that from your phone.142001:29:18,030 --> 01:29:20,160So instead of having yourlighter up, you got your phone142101:29:20,160 --> 01:29:20,910and then you're streaming.142201:29:20,940 --> 01:29:23,640Oh, that's cool. Nice. I likethat.142301:29:23,670 --> 01:29:27,810No, it's a cool idea. So thenmake the app when you scan the142401:29:27,810 --> 01:29:31,080QR code, make the payments andit flashes the flashlight and142501:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,030turns the screen all kinds ofcolors.142601:29:33,570 --> 01:29:37,080Oh yeah. And your booster gramsshow? Yeah, now you're talking142701:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,620when the audience can read it.Another way you can help the142801:29:40,620 --> 01:29:44,040band develop the place the nextsong whoever like whatever song142901:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,400gets the most votes. Just thenext one the band plays.143001:29:48,120 --> 01:29:52,920I've never been a fan of thosethings. In a live situation.143101:29:54,210 --> 01:29:57,900It's mostly because most bandscan't play all of their songs.143201:29:58,500 --> 01:30:01,890There you go. Dude, I can't playthat order and I was like, I143301:30:01,890 --> 01:30:03,360gotta change guitars.143401:30:03,870 --> 01:30:08,040I bet they practice the set asas it's going to be in the show.143501:30:08,190 --> 01:30:12,450Oh for sure. 100% Yeah, likecomedians, it looks like they're143601:30:12,450 --> 01:30:14,130off the cuff but it's allscripted. What143701:30:14,130 --> 01:30:18,840do you think I'm we're reading ascript here. I mean 42,000 SATs143801:30:18,840 --> 01:30:27,300from Boober a scissor lift hesays will scissor you lift?143901:30:28,440 --> 01:30:31,440There you go. That's the onejust came in as we were talking.144001:30:31,800 --> 01:30:39,900Oh, hello. 100,001 Satoshis fromDara no. Whoa, near and I144101:30:39,900 --> 01:30:44,340podcast therefore I am anotherVIG for unrelenting planet rage144201:30:44,340 --> 01:30:47,550random thoughts grumpy old Ben'son the rock'n'roll pre show.144301:30:47,550 --> 01:30:51,510Yeah, I talk a lot. Thank youfor your courage. And he and I144401:30:51,510 --> 01:30:56,010think they're all 2.0 he youknow the rock'n'roll pre show is144501:30:56,010 --> 01:30:59,370that he solicits booster gramsand doesn't live on the air144601:30:59,370 --> 01:31:02,070during the show. I mean, this isthis is a real thing we got144701:31:02,070 --> 01:31:02,850going on here.144801:31:03,750 --> 01:31:07,980That he's fully live every everytime before the show.144901:31:09,270 --> 01:31:10,140On Thursdays Yep.145001:31:11,940 --> 01:31:16,830Yep. We got Are you done? Areyou done?145101:31:17,129 --> 01:31:18,569Yeah, that was alive. I guess.Yeah.145201:31:19,110 --> 01:31:24,630We got some papers we get Oscarand the boys at fountain $200145301:31:24,870 --> 01:31:30,360Whoa. Thank you. But it's uh,thank you guys.145401:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,630Yeah, we appreciate that verymuch. That's a that's a145501:31:33,630 --> 01:31:35,040subscription. They do thatmonthly.145601:31:35,100 --> 01:31:37,320I love it very much. Appreciate.Thank you very much.145701:31:38,460 --> 01:31:44,250We got a $75 single one timedonation from Boston venture145801:31:44,250 --> 01:31:49,110studio. I don't know who thatis. And there was no note that145901:31:49,110 --> 01:31:51,420we're we appreciate it. Thankyou very much.146001:31:51,750 --> 01:31:54,960Boston venture studio wonder ifthat name rings a bell. Maybe146101:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,570our buddy Michael. Will used tobe in Boston?146201:31:59,130 --> 01:32:03,810Man, I don't know. We'll see. Idon't know. That's it doesn't146301:32:03,810 --> 01:32:04,290matter. We146401:32:04,290 --> 01:32:05,220love you no matter what.146501:32:05,610 --> 01:32:07,590It's like inky tail. That's thefront. That's the front146601:32:07,590 --> 01:32:08,640organization for146701:32:09,930 --> 01:32:12,630what was it called Boston. ForBoston.146801:32:12,660 --> 01:32:20,910Boston venture studio. Yes.spook spook out. Bradley146901:32:20,910 --> 01:32:26,070chambers. He is did a newsubscription for $5 a month and147001:32:26,070 --> 01:32:30,000we thank you, Bradley.Appreciate that. We also147101:32:30,030 --> 01:32:33,060Bradley, you know, he wrote anarticle about us and about147201:32:33,090 --> 01:32:34,950podcasting. 2.0 and 95. Mac.147301:32:34,980 --> 01:32:38,280Yeah, that's that's that was agreat article. Really appreciate147401:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,760it. Yeah, for sure thing itreally, you know, and he caught147501:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,790he put up and I think it'simportant for nine to five Mac147601:32:44,790 --> 01:32:46,920to say, Hey, Apple, you shouldpay attention to this.147701:32:47,550 --> 01:32:50,820Yeah, it made a lot of sense.And he and I really appreciated147801:32:50,820 --> 01:32:54,510the way he went about it. He hedidn't pre write an article,147901:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,950like and then ask for ourcomment. Yeah, he he asked for148001:32:58,980 --> 01:33:02,520information up front and thenand communicated with us and148101:33:02,520 --> 01:33:07,980then wrote an article. You know,with that in mind, it's I don't148201:33:07,980 --> 01:33:09,660know. It was just a goodexperience. Yeah.148301:33:10,740 --> 01:33:14,280Yes. As journalism goes, Thatwas a very good experience. Yes.148401:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,280Yes. It's always good to havethe activist on your side of the148501:33:17,280 --> 01:33:17,730camp.148601:33:18,990 --> 01:33:22,020We've got that's Pay Pal. We gotsome histograms.148701:33:22,050 --> 01:33:24,240All right. Posties let's goeverybody. Hey148801:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,550Carolyn 3333 sets throughfountain he says looking out at148901:33:32,550 --> 01:33:36,720the lake listening topodcasting. 2.0 booths is your149001:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,450lake Lake booth looking at thelake right now. That would be149101:33:39,450 --> 01:33:44,460nice. Net Ned 3333 throughfountain and he just says149201:33:44,460 --> 01:33:44,940thanks.149301:33:44,970 --> 01:33:50,130You're welcome. Thank you. Howyou doing booster. Roy149401:33:51,840 --> 01:33:57,750Roche on sale 54,321 centsnicely breeze? And he says trust149501:33:57,750 --> 01:33:58,680the free market. Adam.149601:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,990Yes. I recall reading thatsomewhere. I saw that comment.149701:34:04,020 --> 01:34:07,110We know when I saw that came inis when I sent you a note I said149801:34:07,290 --> 01:34:11,520dude, are you getting the the2.0 booster grams at home on149901:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,450your umbrella? You like no tallman. You gotta have these. I put150001:34:15,450 --> 01:34:21,120the sage stay safe node. Staysafe in the in the splits. And150101:34:21,450 --> 01:34:24,300that is not your name. Yournotes called stay safe. Yeah,150201:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,270yes. Right. And have you beenwatching on helipad?150301:34:27,900 --> 01:34:33,000I have been. I've I've been.I've been noticing. Mostly how150401:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,090long it takes hell a pad to openand I don't know why.150501:34:36,660 --> 01:34:40,950It's that. That first open? Ittakes a long time. Well, you150601:34:40,950 --> 01:34:43,590know, when you start getting alot of SATs,150701:34:44,580 --> 01:34:50,550it slows down. Yeah. Well, maybelnd Point. Point 15 will fix all150801:34:50,550 --> 01:34:53,610that for everybody. It'll begreat because it's just gonna150901:34:53,670 --> 01:35:00,510shrink the database. Terrifying.Oscar marry 15 hasn't sat151001:35:00,510 --> 01:35:01,590through fountain of course.151101:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,750Very nice. Thank you very many.And151201:35:03,750 --> 01:35:06,600we have we have a lot at leastbooster clubs here that didn't151301:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,650mention our discussion from lastweek. Obviously, it was a bit a151401:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,070lot of people had thoughts aboutthat. So, Oscar says for non151501:35:14,070 --> 01:35:18,630premium users fountain as a 5%fee on top of the splits, we do151601:35:18,630 --> 01:35:21,810this to preserve the numerologyof the boosts. So if you send151701:35:21,810 --> 01:35:25,7101000 Set 100 sets 100 sets willgo to whatever is in the splits151801:35:25,710 --> 01:35:28,920and then we add an extra fivesets for the fee that is shown151901:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,890in the transaction history asvisually distinct from the152001:35:31,890 --> 01:35:36,240splits along with a prompt topremium God casters using our152101:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,110podcast or wallet, we alsocharge a one to 4% fee, which152201:35:40,110 --> 01:35:47,640will appear in the split as it'son the podcaster side. Excellent152301:35:48,030 --> 01:35:48,600transaction152401:35:48,780 --> 01:35:52,710that's transparent and nice newand I would still say Oscar152501:35:52,710 --> 01:35:55,800consider opening that up lettingpeople add more to your fee.152601:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,290Yeah, 100% Yeah, for sure.152701:35:58,380 --> 01:36:01,920Let them let them add whateverthey want. Maybe a fixed amount152801:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,500instead of a percentage,whatever, whatever you want to152901:36:04,500 --> 01:36:07,200add a button with it with amonthly subscription. There's a153001:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,590million things that can be done,but I really liked that. That153101:36:10,590 --> 01:36:11,610sounds pretty fair to me.153201:36:12,300 --> 01:36:20,220That's Dave Jones. Life lessonor life motto number 36. Never153301:36:20,220 --> 01:36:27,600stop people from giving you moremoney. Yes. 55,555 says To cast153401:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,400a magic boost regarding fees andboosting. I think the numerology153501:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,100is extremely important and mightbe getting lost somewhere for153601:36:35,100 --> 01:36:37,890some podcasters. For instance,when I listened to the153701:36:37,890 --> 01:36:41,010everything everywhere dailypodcast, the boost amounts their153801:36:41,010 --> 01:36:44,640reading are clearly after thefees, not the originally boosted153901:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,370amounts. Sure what needs to befixed here?154001:36:47,760 --> 01:36:51,210Well, it depends on what they'reusing. What are they using to154101:36:51,210 --> 01:36:54,600get those amounts because theTLV record Shen's sends the154201:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,340total sets, that's what helipaddoes. So even though we get we154301:36:59,340 --> 01:37:04,680do not receive 100,001 Satoshisthat's the number what goes into154401:37:04,680 --> 01:37:09,990the wallet is different thanwhat's displayed. So I wonder154501:37:09,990 --> 01:37:12,930what they're using as as abooster Graham reader.154601:37:15,480 --> 01:37:19,320Okay, he says, service is hellapatches, full amount, Satoshi154701:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,310stream nothing does not. Ah, somaybe Satoshi stream these Penny154801:37:23,310 --> 01:37:23,790memo154901:37:23,790 --> 01:37:26,520memo Satoshi stream? Yep.155001:37:28,890 --> 01:37:33,630Let's see hard hat. Sorry. Sinis 22,222 long row of ducks the155101:37:33,630 --> 01:37:40,890curio caster? Yes. I happen toknow the developer of curio155201:37:40,890 --> 01:37:43,710caster personally. Yeah, he's agood guy.155301:37:44,190 --> 01:37:47,010He is He's great. He's allright. He's a Texan. We like155401:37:47,010 --> 01:37:47,130him.155501:37:47,370 --> 01:37:50,760He's breakfast for lunch. Soit's even he's top notch fella155601:37:50,760 --> 01:37:54,750fried eggs and bacon. defendingmyself, I have no problem paying155701:37:54,750 --> 01:37:58,980for apps. And I do pay for apps.My main issue is fees hiding155801:37:58,980 --> 01:38:01,380under a value for valueumbrella, when they aren't155901:38:01,380 --> 01:38:04,470really value for value. The appcan make their own value for156001:38:04,470 --> 01:38:08,220value pitch to the users. Howmuch how much do you want our156101:38:08,220 --> 01:38:11,940cut to be kind of thing? If thefees are set by the app? How is156201:38:11,940 --> 01:38:14,760that value for value? That's myissue. That's a good point.156301:38:15,990 --> 01:38:19,380I think that's exactly what I'msaying. He's saying exactly what156401:38:19,380 --> 01:38:25,830I'm saying. He says if you willand I'm adding to that. Fear not156501:38:26,190 --> 01:38:31,470my developing friends. When youask thou shall be rewarded with156601:38:31,470 --> 01:38:36,690many trinkets of goodnessancient proverb it is an ancient156701:38:36,690 --> 01:38:40,560podcasting proverb and it justworks I can't explain it it156801:38:40,590 --> 01:38:45,150evens out. And Dave Have I nottold you this and have you not156901:38:45,150 --> 01:38:50,190seen this come true in the pasttwo years? Yeah, for sure. Okay,157001:38:50,220 --> 01:38:53,430I want a little more like ohyeah, you know, really I was157101:38:53,430 --> 01:38:55,710skeptical and then my eyes havebeen157201:38:55,920 --> 01:39:03,720opened my eyes I was I wasknocked off my horse by the157301:39:03,720 --> 01:39:04,110light.157401:39:04,530 --> 01:39:07,110Okay, good. That at least we'reclear on that.157501:39:08,520 --> 01:39:16,680BK H MTV Okay, BK GMTV throughfountain and he said he said his157601:39:16,680 --> 01:39:22,050four for 20 sets haha yeah, hesays 5 million sets boost holy.157701:39:23,700 --> 01:39:25,170Exactly. was a157801:39:25,170 --> 01:39:29,430fire and a face. I've got myemoticons working now.157901:39:29,490 --> 01:39:31,830And you know, I've been tryingto balance our Ellen pay158001:39:31,830 --> 01:39:35,250channel, which is reallydifficult because we have like158101:39:35,250 --> 01:39:40,350seven and a half million SATs onour side. And it was a two and a158201:39:40,350 --> 01:39:44,340half million on on the incoming.So if someone wants to do a pay158301:39:44,340 --> 01:39:47,280to our booster wouldn't evenwork necessarily. We have lots158401:39:47,280 --> 01:39:51,150of other incoming liquidity butI don't know if an amp if an amp158501:39:51,630 --> 01:39:52,980payment would work or not.158601:39:53,550 --> 01:39:57,150It was total like you're justlike throwing a message in a158701:39:57,150 --> 01:39:59,970bottle into the ocean and hopingsomebody comes to rescue you158801:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,700Yeah, I mean, we have all theliquidity incoming but not158901:40:02,700 --> 01:40:05,730necessarily through Ellen pay.So I don't know if LNP looks for159001:40:05,730 --> 01:40:08,400alternate routes, so they splitit up or is it all was straight159101:40:08,400 --> 01:40:09,330through one channel?159201:40:11,969 --> 01:40:20,879shirts? Yeah, undefined. Yeah.At dude, send us 10,000 SAS159301:40:20,879 --> 01:40:23,309through fountaining. He saysapps should be able to charge159401:40:23,309 --> 01:40:26,459any fee they want. As long asit's advertised. Dave is159501:40:26,459 --> 01:40:31,979correct. In stating that it willbe self correcting. There you159601:40:31,979 --> 01:40:32,189go.159701:40:35,250 --> 01:40:38,430Okay. We don't have to get intothe argument again.159801:40:38,970 --> 01:40:41,670That's fine. No, no, I don'twant to get into I159901:40:41,670 --> 01:40:44,730don't want to I'm sorry. I thinkI think I've made I've beaten160001:40:44,730 --> 01:40:46,710the horse into a pulp.160101:40:47,460 --> 01:40:56,100No, I think that it's a learningprocess. Yeah. There's a lot of160201:40:56,100 --> 01:41:00,240stuff. This is all very, verynew. I mean, it's one thing to160301:41:00,240 --> 01:41:06,870say apps. It's one thing to sayapps shouldn't be sold for a160401:41:06,870 --> 01:41:11,070specific price. It's anotherthing to say. Okay. Yeah, but160501:41:11,070 --> 01:41:15,360what does that look like? Theygo. Right. Sure. Sure. And that160601:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,760is what what we are trying tofigure out and I am, I don't160701:41:20,760 --> 01:41:24,630want to, I don't want to act asif I don't want people to, to160801:41:24,630 --> 01:41:29,760hear this as if, as if I amadvocating for necessarily for160901:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,030one specific thing. I justspeaking for myself, personally,161001:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,690I'm trying to advocate like, Ijust learned something a while161101:41:36,690 --> 01:41:42,330ago, this, this idea Harv hadhis idea that they should that161201:41:42,330 --> 01:41:47,430the app should make a pitch andthen let us have like a slider161301:41:47,430 --> 01:41:50,940or something to do your ownpercentage. Yeah. I never161401:41:50,940 --> 01:41:53,520thought about it that way. Likemaybe I should have thought161501:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,910about it that way. Maybe you'veexplained it in ways and other161601:41:56,910 --> 01:41:59,310people have explained it. AndI've been sick headed and missed161701:41:59,310 --> 01:42:05,400it. Yes. But some? Yes. Okay.161801:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,880No, no, but I readily admittingit. No, but I'm, I'm with you.161901:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,550And here's here's I tried toexplain that. Here's the part I162001:42:11,550 --> 01:42:15,540messed up. I never consideredhow the Ask works for a162101:42:15,540 --> 01:42:20,400developer. Yeah, that was thatwas Yeah. And so and it just162201:42:20,400 --> 01:42:25,260dawned on me in this past week,like, oh, okay, of course, you162301:42:25,260 --> 01:42:28,320know, developers. First of all,you're beaten down and you've162401:42:28,320 --> 01:42:34,650been abused by Silicon Valleyinto 99 cents or do some ads or162501:42:34,650 --> 01:42:37,860whatever, you've beenbrowbeaten, you really have very162601:42:37,860 --> 01:42:42,150little chance of success.Where's the value for value162701:42:42,150 --> 01:42:48,240model for it? I'm sure of it.Every bone in my body says, you162801:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,580know, that's content to youknow, it's just packaged162901:42:50,580 --> 01:42:55,320differently. And when you asksomeone and explain which you163001:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,550have to do in podcasting, tothey will step to step up to the163101:42:59,550 --> 01:43:04,530plate. The question is, how doesthat manifest itself in in163201:43:04,530 --> 01:43:07,890software, how does that work?And how do you how do you163301:43:08,010 --> 01:43:11,280without, you know, falling intothe traps of ticklers and pop163401:43:11,280 --> 01:43:17,910ups and fold overs and whatever?You know, so and how do you make163501:43:17,910 --> 01:43:21,510that because I guarantee youjust like a small podcast163601:43:21,510 --> 01:43:26,280audience can support onepodcast. It works you know,163701:43:26,280 --> 01:43:31,290there's Look at this. This isthis podcast is really the163801:43:31,320 --> 01:43:35,910conduit to support the entirepodcast index.org You're soaking163901:43:35,910 --> 01:43:36,780in it, Mabel.164001:43:39,750 --> 01:43:41,370Nobody's gonna get thatreference.164101:43:41,580 --> 01:43:44,820No, it's not even Mabel. Who wasit from Palmolive.164201:43:45,210 --> 01:43:46,890I don't remember there's amatch,164301:43:46,890 --> 01:43:53,310match, match match. You'resoaking in it match. It's it's a164401:43:53,310 --> 01:43:56,040great problem to work on. I'mvery excited about it.164501:43:56,760 --> 01:44:04,620I'm comfortable saying that is amodel of apps. Being able to do164601:44:04,620 --> 01:44:08,940value for value in this way withprogrammable money has never164701:44:08,940 --> 01:44:15,000been done before. Correct. Imean, I can't programmable money164801:44:15,180 --> 01:44:17,940that's able to domicrotransactions like this.164901:44:18,330 --> 01:44:22,410This has only been around for acouple of years. This is all165001:44:22,410 --> 01:44:26,700brand new. Nobody's I mean,there's no way that Steven the165101:44:26,700 --> 01:44:31,380you could have known what thismarket is even supposed to look165201:44:31,380 --> 01:44:34,950like. I mean, you have no ideawhat what to charge how to165301:44:34,950 --> 01:44:39,390charge any of this stuff likeyou just have to stumble through165401:44:39,390 --> 01:44:41,910until you find the thing thatworks.165501:44:43,050 --> 01:44:46,440But what I like about theprogrammable money is you don't165601:44:46,440 --> 01:44:49,380have to have a link to buy me acoffee and then you've got to165701:44:49,380 --> 01:44:51,570put in your credit cardinformation and there's all165801:44:51,570 --> 01:44:56,910these steps for it. It's just aboost me $1 And it's just click165901:44:56,910 --> 01:44:59,490that button and it comes rightout of the166001:44:59,520 --> 01:45:03,360water. I'm gonna stop you. I'mgonna stop you. Don't say boosts166101:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,190me $1 You're gonna get $1166201:45:06,270 --> 01:45:09,690Okay, I hear what you're sayingwith the Hey, boost me what what166301:45:09,690 --> 01:45:10,650do you think this is worth?166401:45:10,919 --> 01:45:14,999Yeah. In your own words yeahyeah166501:45:16,170 --> 01:45:18,780even say you could even do dotheir stats back to him to say166601:45:18,780 --> 01:45:24,300hey you hey just there you goyou listened to you used curio166701:45:24,300 --> 01:45:29,160caster this this past month forin and listen to 27 hours of166801:45:29,160 --> 01:45:33,990podcasts consider given us whatdo you think? Yeah we know and166901:45:33,990 --> 01:45:36,960you boosted this much could youtell you know could you pitch in167001:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,660some for us this much whateverthose languages167101:45:39,810 --> 01:45:43,350IceCube soup has a script fordevelopers send me your money167201:45:43,380 --> 01:45:47,220okay now that's not quite go butscript.167301:45:47,370 --> 01:45:53,310Yeah pull that up Karen for themere mortals podcast 9292167401:45:53,940 --> 01:45:55,110Cheerio Castor.167501:45:55,140 --> 01:45:56,640Very nice. Thank you, sir.167601:45:57,750 --> 01:46:01,470A nap have heard of. And hesays, I love listening to you167701:46:01,470 --> 01:46:05,250guys. It's an ethics lesson withreal life implications with more167801:46:05,250 --> 01:46:09,300value for value solve this, iethe app asking users to pay what167901:46:09,300 --> 01:46:12,330they think is fair. I don't runa business and don't know if168001:46:12,330 --> 01:46:15,420this can work on largerentities. Any examples you to168101:46:15,420 --> 01:46:15,990know of?168201:46:17,430 --> 01:46:19,800Yeah, I think we've just gonethrough all of them.168301:46:20,100 --> 01:46:24,300All of them. Yeah. Yeah. Asevere lack of examples is168401:46:24,300 --> 01:46:29,790probably the biggest issue.There you go. gasp eland 117 set168501:46:29,850 --> 01:46:33,900through fountain and he says sofar I've earned 117 says How was168601:46:33,900 --> 01:46:37,560the sustainable? Like the feediscussion? I don't want to I168701:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,890don't want a subscription tofountain and like the fees if168801:46:40,890 --> 01:46:47,010that are like the fees of thatare okay, so far, so good. Well,168901:46:47,550 --> 01:46:56,250I'm not sure what. Guess anotherdrug donation. George Orwell169001:46:56,280 --> 01:47:01,860gave us 1100 Oh, oh. 1111 that'swhat that is. Through fountain169101:47:01,860 --> 01:47:06,180he says. Hope how's it goingwith Robert Jensen. He never169201:47:06,180 --> 01:47:07,680talks about podcasting. 2.0169301:47:07,920 --> 01:47:14,340Well, they're up on podcasting.2.0 I boost regularly. And it's169401:47:14,340 --> 01:47:17,910a process you know, he's just hehas, because I've been talking169501:47:17,910 --> 01:47:20,700to him since the pandemicstarted when he went value for169601:47:20,700 --> 01:47:24,690value, I convinced him to govalue for value. He tried to169701:47:24,690 --> 01:47:29,130come up with his own version,you know, different different169801:47:29,130 --> 01:47:32,250versions of value for value,who's now just starting to169901:47:32,250 --> 01:47:35,040understand he's getting thewords. And this is a170001:47:35,040 --> 01:47:37,710professional broadcaster, whichI think makes it actually much170101:47:37,710 --> 01:47:42,840harder for him. So he's justgetting his feet wet with with170201:47:42,870 --> 01:47:45,870with like, the Dutch Pay Palsystem. getting that to work.170301:47:45,870 --> 01:47:49,860He's already he already knows hehas to go to 2.0 because he'll170401:47:49,860 --> 01:47:54,870be he'll be financially Dplatformed. Pretty soon. Yeah,170501:47:54,870 --> 01:48:00,600no, it's and he's, he's not evenin the Alex Jones X 22 level. I170601:48:00,600 --> 01:48:01,530mean, at all.170701:48:02,640 --> 01:48:05,790You know, he's mild compared tothat. Probably more170801:48:05,790 --> 01:48:09,240like Megyn Kelly, honestly, froma content perspective and a170901:48:09,270 --> 01:48:11,970controversy which she'scontroversial.171001:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,680I didn't think the or the Dutchthat strict.171101:48:16,710 --> 01:48:19,410I mean, the Dutch, the Dutchmedia and government fucking171201:48:19,410 --> 01:48:21,870locked down tight, brother.They're steps ahead of us here.171301:48:21,870 --> 01:48:25,680Are you kidding me? Oh, wow. Oh,yeah. Oh, yeah. They're way171401:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,950ahead of us in that stuff. Oh,yeah. Okay. It's like the UK.171501:48:28,950 --> 01:48:33,120You know, they've got languagelaws now. You can't say on171601:48:33,120 --> 01:48:37,440social media. So that's allcoming to podcasting. Anyway. He171701:48:37,440 --> 01:48:42,450will. He will eventually be Oh,S T. He will eventually.171801:48:43,560 --> 01:48:49,500I haven't heard that one before.That was Kevin Bay 50,000 SATs171901:48:50,820 --> 01:48:55,500through fountain aces, baby.Yay. As a user, I would rather172001:48:55,500 --> 01:48:59,700control what I pay for the apps,what I pay the apps rather than172101:48:59,700 --> 01:49:03,090they take from the podcaster offthe top. That's the only way172201:49:03,090 --> 01:49:06,030it's transparent apps shouldinform the user what they're172301:49:06,030 --> 01:49:08,850taking as soon as the wallet isset up. That sounds172401:49:08,850 --> 01:49:10,260right. I like that172501:49:16,410 --> 01:49:23,370the silver owl sent us oh thisis very it's very native172601:49:23,370 --> 01:49:28,860American indigenous peoples thesilver our son is 16 111 sets.172701:49:29,670 --> 01:49:33,810And he says regarding Oh throughthrough breeze. And he says172801:49:33,810 --> 01:49:40,080regarding Sloot's donation, theyare correct. 53163 does equals172901:49:40,080 --> 01:49:46,2301611 times 33. But when BTCequals 1 million, a set will be173001:49:46,230 --> 01:49:54,120one penny not $1. Truth. We'reby the way for me. Before we173101:49:54,120 --> 01:49:54,510knew it173201:49:54,540 --> 01:49:58,110for the software developers whoare going to work on their ask173301:49:59,670 --> 01:50:05,670be whereas the following messageI was going to support you. I173401:50:05,670 --> 01:50:10,680was just deciding how much untilyou've removed this button173501:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,800change this thing didn't answermy those people have never173601:50:13,800 --> 01:50:17,550supported you never will. Andthey're part of a category of173701:50:17,550 --> 01:50:21,870people who are always looking totell you their excuse for not173801:50:21,870 --> 01:50:22,620supporting you.173901:50:23,430 --> 01:50:25,680Is there a name for this type ofperson? Yes.174001:50:25,710 --> 01:50:26,550Douchebag.174101:50:27,090 --> 01:50:27,450Okay.174201:50:28,320 --> 01:50:31,710Have you found the people whocomplain the most are the ones174301:50:31,710 --> 01:50:33,120who don't give any support?174401:50:33,210 --> 01:50:38,130Absolutely. 100% if they'recomplaining now, someone who is174501:50:38,130 --> 01:50:41,940your partner in value for valueand loves what you're doing and174601:50:41,940 --> 01:50:45,240is supporting you, they'reapproaching you, you will feel174701:50:45,240 --> 01:50:48,090it immediately written DMwhatever, like, Oh, this is174801:50:48,090 --> 01:50:50,610someone who really appreciateswhat I'm doing, and wants to174901:50:50,610 --> 01:50:53,490work with me. They can stillhave a complaint about how175001:50:53,490 --> 01:50:55,410something functions arewhatever, but they will be175101:50:55,410 --> 01:50:56,970respectful and you'll know itright away.175201:50:58,200 --> 01:51:01,590Have you guys heard of ThePareto principle or the 8020175301:51:01,590 --> 01:51:02,220principle?175401:51:03,750 --> 01:51:07,260What 80% of your money comesfrom 20% of your customers?175501:51:07,380 --> 01:51:10,980Yeah, and 80% of your complaintscome from 20% of your customers,175601:51:10,980 --> 01:51:14,550that would be the not the 20%that no hoarding, you know, it's175701:51:14,550 --> 01:51:14,730more175801:51:14,730 --> 01:51:18,630like value for value 4% of yourlisteners or of your users will175901:51:18,630 --> 01:51:26,400be supporting you. And 96% willbe complaining. Something176001:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,080like that, lyceum.176101:51:28,140 --> 01:51:31,950And by the way, go ahead. Ithappens very often that someone176201:51:31,950 --> 01:51:35,310will pop up and say, Hey, man,I've been I've been listening to176301:51:35,310 --> 01:51:39,330your show using your app, fillin the blank. For five years, I176401:51:39,330 --> 01:51:42,810realize I've never given himanything, so I'm making up for176501:51:42,810 --> 01:51:49,230it. And people do $2 An episode.It's you'll be amazed every176601:51:49,230 --> 01:51:51,480single time when you leave itopen they'll come up with their176701:51:51,480 --> 01:51:55,560own reasons. Because someone whocan can say they have reasons176801:51:55,560 --> 01:51:58,590not to the people the percentageof people come up with their own176901:51:58,590 --> 01:52:01,350reasons is really astounding.And it's it's a number it's a177001:52:01,350 --> 01:52:05,280message it's a thing it's asuggestion, etc. All right, and177101:52:05,280 --> 01:52:05,760rant.177201:52:06,450 --> 01:52:09,990Lyceum gave us 1200 61 SATsthrough fountain he says from my177301:52:09,990 --> 01:52:15,900tweet Lyceum para para Rippetoedose. Adam curry Davis keeping177401:52:15,900 --> 01:52:20,370the ducks in the row and podcastindex Oregon good shape. I think177501:52:20,370 --> 01:52:22,980the marketplace will selfregulate itself regarding Fees177601:52:22,980 --> 01:52:28,260and Cuts of the pie. I will sendyou 12 161 SATs see screenshot.177701:52:28,440 --> 01:52:31,050The best premises, Martin LindaSkog177801:52:31,470 --> 01:52:33,780Ah, he's from Sweden, I think.177901:52:34,650 --> 01:52:37,230Okay, yeah. Do you know whatnationality was key?178001:52:37,500 --> 01:52:40,500Yeah, I've seen his name pop upon Korean the keeper a couple178101:52:40,500 --> 01:52:41,790other things. Yeah. Thanks,Martin.178201:52:42,120 --> 01:52:46,590Yeah, and he tweets us a lot onTwitter. You hacked me not?178301:52:47,460 --> 01:52:50,940Through fountain gave us 9400SATs and he says sup dudes.178401:52:51,810 --> 01:52:55,080Thank you. Please look for myemail. I send it to info at178501:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,360podcast index.org Go podcasting.178601:52:57,960 --> 01:52:58,680Podcast.178701:52:59,850 --> 01:53:03,000Goodness. I don't know if I getan email from him. Did you get178801:53:03,000 --> 01:53:03,990an email? He's I178901:53:03,990 --> 01:53:07,920am curious. The eyes maybe? Oh,wait a minute. What's his name?179001:53:08,430 --> 01:53:13,200hack me not. Is his internethandle.179101:53:13,530 --> 01:53:23,610hack me not? Yes. His email isvery long. But he's, yeah, I179201:53:23,610 --> 01:53:30,840mean, oh, here's a one choiceline the idea of charging a fee179301:53:30,840 --> 01:53:34,890on Satoshis donated or streamedis app suicide in my opinion.179401:53:36,180 --> 01:53:39,540It's emboldened app suicide asthey're competing with a free179501:53:39,540 --> 01:53:42,360alternative Cash App. Okay.179601:53:42,629 --> 01:53:45,479Oh, yeah, I did get this Iwonder why I lost this email.179701:53:45,510 --> 01:53:50,040I have the email but it's veryso he has he has a lot of179801:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,260different suggestions. You knowwhat I would appreciate hack me179901:53:52,260 --> 01:53:58,470not repost whatever you want ofthis on a no agenda social. At180001:53:58,470 --> 01:54:01,770no agenda, podcast index dotsocialists. It's just a little180101:54:01,770 --> 01:54:04,500too long to read through on theshow. But you have some good180201:54:04,500 --> 01:54:07,410points. And I think it would begood for the conversation. And180301:54:07,410 --> 01:54:11,850in general, in general, peopleon podcasts index on social. I'm180401:54:11,850 --> 01:54:16,200not a big fan of DMS. If youhave an opinion, I think you180501:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,340should say it publicly.180601:54:18,810 --> 01:54:23,700Yet, the only time I like DMS orwhen something is potentially180701:54:23,760 --> 01:54:27,420like sometimes somebody will DMme and say, Hey, if you need180801:54:27,420 --> 01:54:31,920some help with with such andsuch I'm free this day. It's180901:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,150just stuff that's like personal,181001:54:33,660 --> 01:54:37,290personal scheduling personalnation that kind of stuff. Yeah,181101:54:37,290 --> 01:54:39,120exactly. But if it's general181201:54:39,120 --> 01:54:41,940commentary, don't yet don't DMthat everybody needs to see and181301:54:41,940 --> 01:54:47,010be able to comment on hanging upby followed up with another 9400181401:54:47,010 --> 01:54:50,850Sassy so here's a second 90 407Boost sent with the found181501:54:50,850 --> 01:54:53,730premium. Can you tell me thedifference in the actual amount181601:54:53,730 --> 01:54:55,950received between this and myfirst boost?181701:54:57,120 --> 01:55:00,510Yeah, Oh,181801:55:00,690 --> 01:55:04,290I can let you know I'm gonna setthis aside now. And I'll do that181901:55:05,160 --> 01:55:09,270after the fact. If you will geton podcasts indexes social and182001:55:09,270 --> 01:55:16,410ping me there. I will. I willlook it up for you. Joel Wu says182101:55:16,410 --> 01:55:19,080333 SATs through fountain andthen he says, What about a182201:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,870customized split option? Keepthe current splits as default182301:55:21,870 --> 01:55:23,880but allow people to adjust asthey see fit.182401:55:24,390 --> 01:55:25,620Say that again?182501:55:27,120 --> 01:55:31,050What about a customized splitoption? Keep the current splits182601:55:31,050 --> 01:55:35,490as default but allow people toadjust as they see fit. And182701:55:35,490 --> 01:55:38,580that's been done before. And Ithink most of the developers182801:55:38,580 --> 01:55:39,660have taken that out.182901:55:39,690 --> 01:55:43,110Yeah. But you still get a Fauciboost.183001:55:43,560 --> 01:55:49,680Boost. Sir beat 1000 setsthrough cast dramatic cases,183101:55:49,710 --> 01:55:52,680hey, it's not your money tospend or split. It's our183201:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,650experience. That totalexperience is built up from all183301:55:55,650 --> 01:55:59,340the things content, app andaccess. All we need is a means183401:55:59,340 --> 01:56:02,460to send and spread the value weexperience. Any other scenarios183501:56:02,460 --> 01:56:05,310will feel like a subscription orsome other thing we want to get183601:56:05,310 --> 01:56:08,400away from if app builders orwhoever want a predictable183701:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,130subscription like experience,then they should offer just183801:56:11,130 --> 01:56:15,930that. But let them make a payper tick scheme in their app.183901:56:16,260 --> 01:56:21,210Don't just stand there boost.Makes sense? Yep. All the184001:56:21,210 --> 01:56:25,590options are being explored. Castpeatland again, yeah, 3690 SAS184101:56:25,590 --> 01:56:26,490and he says, Thanks.184201:56:26,700 --> 01:56:28,950Well, thank you. Cass. You'rewelcome.184301:56:31,050 --> 01:56:35,070Oh, gosh. I'm going to try thisname again. Can you184401:56:35,700 --> 01:56:38,220is that Tanisha? Yeah, can youcan you can you?184501:56:40,440 --> 01:56:46,350Can you can Isa 500 SATs throughfountain needs his first boost184601:56:46,350 --> 01:56:51,330from the fountain app. Thankyou. First boost Kenny. Or184701:56:51,330 --> 01:56:53,820whatever? I sound very Hebrewwhen I say that. Yeah.184801:56:53,850 --> 01:57:00,210Well, the Dutch and what is theword? I'm looking for? Yiddish?184901:57:00,690 --> 01:57:04,620Very close to each other. Canyou hear that? Yeah. Oh, yeah.185001:57:05,430 --> 01:57:07,620I wonder how that works.Historically.185101:57:08,220 --> 01:57:10,770Dude, Carla, a lot ofcomplicated185201:57:11,130 --> 01:57:12,660in the in the185301:57:12,960 --> 01:57:16,290well, that were up until 1945.And then we lost them all. I185401:57:16,290 --> 01:57:18,540don't know where they went. Andwe had a lot of them. We got a185501:57:18,540 --> 01:57:22,320lot left with numbers on theirarms. You know? Yeah. Well,185601:57:22,350 --> 01:57:24,780yeah. I grew up in that. Man.You you grew up in a whole185701:57:24,780 --> 01:57:27,630different perspective. When youryour friend's grandmother has185801:57:27,630 --> 01:57:30,750numbers tattooed on her arm, youthink a little differently about185901:57:30,750 --> 01:57:31,440humans?186001:57:31,920 --> 01:57:36,330So there was a big Jewishpopulation before the war? Yes.186101:57:36,840 --> 01:57:40,890Okay. Yes. Is that who is thatgo back to the founding of the186201:57:40,890 --> 01:57:41,460lowlands?186301:57:42,150 --> 01:57:48,030Oh, goodness. I couldn't answerthat with any accuracy. I186401:57:48,210 --> 01:57:51,120really? I really don't know. Idon't know.186501:57:51,930 --> 01:57:54,300Well, we got it. We got plentyof Jewish listeners that let us186601:57:54,300 --> 01:58:00,510know. Pirate hodl sent us 3333sets to fountain nice as well. I186701:58:00,510 --> 01:58:03,930agree. That is good for the appfee to be added on top of the186801:58:03,930 --> 01:58:06,600boost. You'd have to admit inthis world of shit coins and186901:58:06,600 --> 01:58:09,810scams, that some apps will existthat pass that cost on to the187001:58:09,810 --> 01:58:13,470Creator. Perhaps hella pad couldflag boosts where the TLV is187101:58:13,890 --> 01:58:17,370very with a TLV versus actualmountain mismatches? That's a187201:58:17,370 --> 01:58:20,460pretty interesting idea. In anextreme case of creator187301:58:20,460 --> 01:58:23,730retaliation, you could refuse toread such boosts on the air.187401:58:24,240 --> 01:58:27,030Yeah, well, I think we'resolving this already. I mean,187501:58:27,030 --> 01:58:30,780I'm not worried about that. Now.I think we've got enough of the187601:58:31,080 --> 01:58:34,650I mean, I'm not worried aboutit. Because the first and I187701:58:34,650 --> 01:58:37,830think fountain is seeing some ofthat success. Now they have187801:58:37,830 --> 01:58:42,450other financial resources thatare helping them get there. But187901:58:43,950 --> 01:58:46,800there's software that I stilluse today that I've been using188001:58:46,800 --> 01:58:52,920for 15 years. And every year Isend a donation you know, it's188101:58:52,920 --> 01:58:57,000like people will send you morethan anything you in your188201:58:57,000 --> 01:59:02,760wildest dreams. If you leave itopen ended and ask Oh188301:59:06,210 --> 01:59:10,680no. Yeah, that doesn't needdoesn't need any commentary from188401:59:10,680 --> 01:59:14,130me. I think I think that yeah,yeah, Mexico says, Pirate hello188501:59:14,130 --> 01:59:18,420again. 3333. And he says insteadof a normal key send key. Could188601:59:18,420 --> 01:59:21,570you could you add appplaceholder as one of the188701:59:21,570 --> 01:59:25,740splits? That way the Creatorsignals a fee they're willing to188801:59:25,740 --> 01:59:30,630pay the app then insert theirown key on the fly was an188901:59:30,630 --> 01:59:31,470interesting idea.189001:59:31,500 --> 01:59:33,690Yeah, I thought of somethinglike that as well. But I also189101:59:33,690 --> 01:59:39,030feel that's that's not for the Imean, if I want to give189201:59:39,030 --> 01:59:42,840something to an app, I'll putthem in my split. Yeah, and189301:59:42,840 --> 01:59:45,180that's what that's what we dowith curio caster, like put them189401:59:45,180 --> 01:59:48,180in the split because sovereignfeeds you know, whatever. Boom,189501:59:48,180 --> 01:59:49,470boom, boom, just put stuff inthere.189601:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,970Nomad Joe sent us 1000 SATsthrough fountaining says show189701:59:53,970 --> 01:59:58,890fees on new podcast Apps page.Also an interesting idea. We189801:59:58,890 --> 02:00:03,810could put that in at To theJSON. There you go block. In189902:00:03,810 --> 02:00:06,000that way when people addthemselves it's pull request on190002:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,740the site. It could go in theretoo,190102:00:07,770 --> 02:00:11,820but I would prefer people try anapp out and not base it on cost.190202:00:11,850 --> 02:00:15,810Because you know, you try an appout. It's like, oh, well, you190302:00:15,810 --> 02:00:18,960know, that's worth more I don'tknow, man.190402:00:19,290 --> 02:00:22,710Yeah. A lot of good a lot ofgood comments here. Love it,190502:00:22,710 --> 02:00:23,370love. Yeah,190602:00:23,400 --> 02:00:26,760yeah, this is this is the firstreally I mean, this is real190702:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,160content that's coming in here onthese booster grams.190802:00:30,150 --> 02:00:35,490More it's from Alby Oh, hey.2100 SATs through pod verse and190902:00:35,490 --> 02:00:38,220he says what do you think of aleaderboard for received value191002:00:38,220 --> 02:00:40,980for value payments? Yeah, thatthat's something I would love to191102:00:40,980 --> 02:00:42,750do all in for this show. Yeah,191202:00:42,750 --> 02:00:48,330all in Yeah. And I would love tohave a leaderboard. Why not give191302:00:48,330 --> 02:00:53,850me a leaderboard from curiocaster for my SATs? This is as191402:00:53,850 --> 02:00:57,030an extra service I'd put you inyet another split for that.191502:00:59,550 --> 02:01:01,080What do you mean by that? Like,191602:01:01,410 --> 02:01:05,850give me a leaderboard for allfor pot for my podcasts, maybe191702:01:05,850 --> 02:01:08,340one maybe all of them combinedthe leaderboard of people who191802:01:08,340 --> 02:01:12,270supported those the most in theapp next to my podcast.191902:01:12,630 --> 02:01:16,170Okay, so but that would just bethe people using curio caster to192002:01:16,170 --> 02:01:16,650support192102:01:16,650 --> 02:01:18,810no right and correct Yeah, yeah.192202:01:19,950 --> 02:01:23,040Yeah, and I can add that to helpadd to this thing James was one192302:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,910that the other day too that'scool. I like that. Mister Mister192402:01:26,970 --> 02:01:27,960did use 330192502:01:27,990 --> 02:01:29,970Did you say you can add thattailpipe?192602:01:31,140 --> 02:01:33,900No, I said I can add that toHello, Pat. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm192702:01:35,490 --> 02:01:42,240at 1000 miles an hour. Okay. Mr.Mr. Sin is 333 SAS who found it192802:01:42,240 --> 02:01:45,090and he says defrag me my firstboost of all time many more to192902:01:45,090 --> 02:01:45,960go Mr. Mr.193002:01:48,300 --> 02:01:50,490Welcome to the club.defragmented you our193102:01:50,880 --> 02:01:57,930first boost party. See a ChrisYou know, send us 10,000 SATs193202:01:57,930 --> 02:02:01,290through fountain and he says thediscussion of ways to support193302:02:01,290 --> 02:02:05,490podcasting 2.0 apps got methinking. What are your thoughts193402:02:05,490 --> 02:02:08,520on the podcast index supportingor facilitating feature193502:02:08,520 --> 02:02:14,040bounties? We just talked aboutthat. Hey, users list the193602:02:14,040 --> 02:02:15,330feature right193702:02:16,770 --> 02:02:17,970now millennial girl.193802:02:20,790 --> 02:02:23,850Users list the features theywould like to see in podcasting193902:02:23,850 --> 02:02:27,180two point out apps and pledgeand amount of sets. They will194002:02:27,180 --> 02:02:30,510contribute when that featuregets added. This would let apps194102:02:30,510 --> 02:02:33,600know which features users wantmost and support development as194202:02:33,600 --> 02:02:38,640it features I'm I'm gamesomebody write it. Somebody that194302:02:38,670 --> 02:02:46,560develop it. Let's do it. Cool.McCormick one. sent us Puck is194402:02:46,560 --> 02:02:51,840Eve 2222 Road ducks throughfountain. He says podcasting 2.0194502:02:51,960 --> 02:02:54,900is like Back to the Future whenGeorge McFly punches Biff in the194602:02:54,900 --> 02:02:59,400face changing the future for thebetter. We are McFly. Go podcast194702:03:02,880 --> 02:03:03,870go podcast.194802:03:07,560 --> 02:03:16,770Sir Spencer, from the bulls withbuds. Send us 54,321 Sam.194902:03:17,430 --> 02:03:18,180Nice195002:03:18,510 --> 02:03:25,890boost. Thanks, man. He sayscounting down to the Steven Bell195102:03:25,890 --> 02:03:32,370appearance. He says PS what'sthe total set count requirement195202:03:32,370 --> 02:03:36,030for one of those 60 new Tshirts. This gets me to the 200k195302:03:36,030 --> 02:03:39,210so far from fountain notcounting Brees and curio caster195402:03:39,210 --> 02:03:42,450booths always spreading the goodword of podcasting. 2.0195502:03:43,260 --> 02:03:47,190What is it? What is the currentprice? I think it's was at 100195602:03:47,190 --> 02:03:48,690and $125.195702:03:50,010 --> 02:03:53,610Yeah, so what about 300?Something like that? Is that195802:03:53,610 --> 02:03:54,180what that is?195902:03:54,419 --> 02:03:56,549No. No, it's196002:03:56,549 --> 02:04:00,599more I can't do math during theshow and I'm brain hurts. Yeah.196102:04:04,440 --> 02:04:06,720I think it's more like 7000 isms196202:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,080that the show comes to a halt.It really does.196302:04:10,110 --> 02:04:11,850Yeah, sorry about that.196402:04:12,180 --> 02:04:15,870Kill 100 1000s Bow Bow Bow. 20bucks now.196502:04:17,130 --> 02:04:22,740100,000 is 20 bucks. Yeah. Brentnow, is that right? Yeah, I196602:04:22,740 --> 02:04:25,650guess I guess you're right. 20So yeah, okay, so196702:04:25,650 --> 02:04:32,07060 566 150 650,000 Satoshis196802:04:32,580 --> 02:04:40,650656 5656. The Comic Stripblogger the delimiter yay.196902:04:40,680 --> 02:04:46,77015,033 sets. He says how hepodcasting 2.0 team. Do you know197002:04:46,770 --> 02:04:49,560that Russian missile strikes oncivilian targets in Ukraine like197102:04:49,560 --> 02:04:53,610apartment buildings and shoppingmalls still continue? Anyways,197202:04:54,000 --> 02:04:57,030please enter your web browser.Please enter into your web197302:04:57,030 --> 02:05:01,710browser or any podcast app. Aidot cookie. To listen to British197402:05:01,710 --> 02:05:04,350voice of Gregory WilliamForsythe Forman from Kent197502:05:04,590 --> 02:05:07,020talking about latest AI news yo197602:05:07,680 --> 02:05:13,260yo who wasn't on the mastodonthat podcasting next on social197702:05:13,260 --> 02:05:16,290that asks you know, like, I wantto put some money towards197802:05:16,290 --> 02:05:18,840marketing I said yeah this is aproven strategy you boost all197902:05:18,840 --> 02:05:21,150these different shows and peopleknow about your stuff he says198002:05:21,150 --> 02:05:24,180are you kidding me? Are yousaying it's a joke said no look198102:05:24,180 --> 02:05:28,200at comics or Blogger he does itevery week. But on a whole bunch198202:05:28,200 --> 02:05:31,320of different shows. My wife if Isay hey if you want to know198302:05:31,320 --> 02:05:34,020about artificial artificialintelligence she say AI dot198402:05:34,020 --> 02:05:38,460cooking not that she wouldlisten to it but she does she198502:05:38,460 --> 02:05:39,450would know where to go.198602:05:39,780 --> 02:05:43,170Yeah. And he brings in hispolitics too. You can feel free198702:05:43,170 --> 02:05:46,620I mean, love it boosters withthe with everything you got198802:05:46,650 --> 02:05:50,010nothing's off limits. Good.198902:05:50,370 --> 02:05:52,470No. Was that the last one to199002:05:52,799 --> 02:05:55,589eliminate those last night lastweek got some monthlies now199102:05:55,619 --> 02:05:56,459while there was one199202:05:57,030 --> 02:06:01,800live boosted came in while wewere talking 26,260 from sup Yo199302:06:01,800 --> 02:06:06,330sup at work but hopped up on aLIVE TAG to boost199402:06:06,749 --> 02:06:08,879nice All right,199502:06:08,910 --> 02:06:12,180yeah. What's your sup Yo sup?199602:06:13,980 --> 02:06:17,400We get some monthlies throughthe pay pals. We get Chad Farrow199702:06:17,400 --> 02:06:23,73020 $20.22 Thank you Chad. Chad.Scott, Scott Jalbert $12 Thank199802:06:23,730 --> 02:06:29,640you. Scott Lowe Retta Vandenberg$10 Pedro gun Cal has $5 Aaron199902:06:29,640 --> 02:06:34,380Renaud $5. dribs got theoriginal end of podcasting. $15200002:06:34,500 --> 02:06:40,800Jeff Miller $20 Thank you, Jeff.Michael Kimmerer 533 $5.33200102:06:40,830 --> 02:06:48,900Leslie mill nosey Martin $2. AndStu coats the evil $6.66. That's200202:06:48,900 --> 02:06:49,080it.200302:06:49,650 --> 02:06:52,230That's it. eautiful beautiful.Thank you all very much. Thank200402:06:52,230 --> 02:06:54,720you for supporting us value forvalue. I think we've explained200502:06:54,720 --> 02:06:58,650it by now. But the whole projectruns open. And it's open to your200602:06:58,650 --> 02:07:01,620interpretation. If youappreciate what's going on here200702:07:01,620 --> 02:07:05,250because you like the developmentyou want to support podcasting.200802:07:06,030 --> 02:07:09,210You hate the mainstream media.That's possible. You can do you200902:07:09,210 --> 02:07:12,180can hate boost. You can hatesupport. It's okay here. Hate201002:07:12,180 --> 02:07:16,920boosting is my favorite thing todo. By the way. I do 50,000 sat201102:07:16,920 --> 02:07:22,050hate boosts to crow Cridland.Yeah, all the time. And love it.201202:07:22,500 --> 02:07:26,670Want to make sure he didn't gethis attention? They'll do it. Go201302:07:26,670 --> 02:07:30,480to podcast index.org. Down atthe bottom you can see a big red201402:07:30,480 --> 02:07:34,230donate button. Actually, I didnot check the tally coin to see201502:07:34,230 --> 02:07:39,810if anyone came in through aplain old plain old Bitcoin201602:07:40,290 --> 02:07:43,530donation. But from there, youcan get to our Pay Pal. And you201702:07:43,530 --> 02:07:50,070can also Yeah, okay. Actually,you can also donate through201802:07:50,070 --> 02:07:51,150lightning, I think right?201902:07:52,770 --> 02:07:53,640Yeah, yeah, I202002:07:53,640 --> 02:07:56,010think so. Let me just check andsee if we didn't miss anything.202102:07:56,010 --> 02:07:59,220Because those are typicallybigger boosts are bigger202202:07:59,250 --> 02:08:06,240support, see, we go visit andthe sum total is none. Okay. Of202302:08:06,240 --> 02:08:07,080course, everybody.202402:08:08,940 --> 02:08:12,990Steven, do you show anywhere?You mentioned a leaderboard on202502:08:12,990 --> 02:08:17,910your ad, do you show anywhere?Is that data available already?202602:08:19,050 --> 02:08:21,360To show that, like when peopleare boosting? You202702:08:22,410 --> 02:08:25,740know, I don't want to have itbeing saved to the database. And202802:08:26,160 --> 02:08:30,570honestly, I just looked at it Iposted on the index, like who202902:08:30,570 --> 02:08:34,530the top boosters were or the orthe top podcast. And that's the203002:08:34,530 --> 02:08:37,530first time I looked at the dataand probably eight months.203102:08:38,130 --> 02:08:41,070Okay, yeah, that's think that'dbe really gonna be really cool203202:08:41,070 --> 02:08:44,490idea. On let me ask you aboutsomething else that pod pain.203302:08:45,540 --> 02:08:49,140Are you? So are you sending alive pod pain with sovereign203402:08:49,140 --> 02:08:52,770feeds now when when an app goeslive? I mean, when a podcast203502:08:52,770 --> 02:08:53,280goes live,203602:08:53,490 --> 02:08:56,820yeah, they have the ability topush the button because they203702:08:56,820 --> 02:09:00,240need to upload the their feed totheir server first, since that's203802:09:00,240 --> 02:09:04,830the source of truth. So they canafter they've done that, come203902:09:04,830 --> 02:09:07,500back and press the live feed,which I think is what Adam is204002:09:07,500 --> 02:09:08,730doing for no agenda. Yep.204102:09:09,810 --> 02:09:14,190Okay, and that. So how are youdoing? Then I'm curious about204202:09:14,190 --> 02:09:17,040what the back end looks like.Did did Alex help you is are204302:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,950using a script that he did likea Docker script or something?204402:09:20,280 --> 02:09:24,150Yeah, it's a Google CloudFunction that he's got in the204502:09:24,180 --> 02:09:28,890GitHub repo. And I have no ideawhat's going on with it. I just204602:09:28,890 --> 02:09:31,560follow his instructions. And itmagically works.204702:09:33,780 --> 02:09:35,850Love that's, that's who needsmore.204802:09:36,600 --> 02:09:40,650But so that's C where is that?Is that in the pod pain? Is that204902:09:40,650 --> 02:09:44,490the hive writer? Repo maybe?205002:09:45,780 --> 02:09:49,230Um, I don't know. Let me see ifI could find out and get up real205102:09:49,230 --> 02:09:49,740quick.205202:09:49,890 --> 02:09:53,610Because I'd like to point otherpeople to that if it's something205302:09:53,610 --> 02:09:57,030that's that they can implementthemselves. Yeah, I205402:09:57,030 --> 02:10:02,220mean, I think it cost me a pennya month. Using Google Cloud205502:10:02,220 --> 02:10:02,970Functions,205602:10:03,480 --> 02:10:09,840oh, well, let's see tests. Hivewriter. Maybe I thought he had205702:10:09,840 --> 02:10:15,360some examples in here. I don'tknow. We'll find it. If I can205802:10:15,360 --> 02:10:17,400find it by the end of the showwas maybe stick in the show205902:10:17,400 --> 02:10:17,790notes?206002:10:18,060 --> 02:10:20,490Yeah, I'll, I'll put it on thesocial.206102:10:21,360 --> 02:10:27,000Okay. All right. Let's go withwhat else you got? What else you206202:10:27,000 --> 02:10:31,140got coming up? You got your yougot? You got Dropbox integration206302:10:31,140 --> 02:10:34,110everything Do you have you haveanything else on the radar maybe206402:10:34,140 --> 02:10:37,860you are used your next step isAI social, social interact or206502:10:37,860 --> 02:10:38,280anything206602:10:38,760 --> 02:10:43,170social interacts working with?With that I don't know that I'm206702:10:43,170 --> 02:10:46,620going to next up is getting thewallet stuff fixed. I've got a206802:10:46,620 --> 02:10:51,990few issues were one is Ellenpay, you can send your boost206902:10:52,350 --> 02:10:57,570synchronously or async. Theproblem was synchronously is if207002:10:57,570 --> 02:10:59,850you've heard if you've seen onthe social, there's lots of207102:10:59,850 --> 02:11:04,080complaints that fountain takes awhile for the boost to go207202:11:04,080 --> 02:11:07,170through. And that's because youcan only send one boost at a207302:11:07,170 --> 02:11:12,060time because if the wallets busyprocessing that it won't process207402:11:12,060 --> 02:11:17,400the next one. Yep. You can alsosend them a sink. And it'll just207502:11:17,400 --> 02:11:22,680put it in a queue on Ellen payservers. But the issue with that207602:11:22,710 --> 02:11:26,790is I've had people who aretrying to do a live boost. And207702:11:27,180 --> 02:11:30,600LM pay doesn't get to processingit until 12 hours later. Oh,207802:11:30,600 --> 02:11:35,520shit. So yes, it was weird. LikeI was looking at the logs. And207902:11:35,520 --> 02:11:38,580it was the next morning before Isaw that the funds had been208002:11:38,580 --> 02:11:39,780taken out of the wallet to208102:11:39,780 --> 02:11:43,260do processes, though. That's theamazing process. Amazing harm208202:11:43,260 --> 02:11:43,860right there.208302:11:43,980 --> 02:11:46,770Yeah, when a guy is trying to doa live boost, he's expecting it208402:11:46,770 --> 02:11:50,640to be read. And I understand thecomplaints. Because if it's not208502:11:50,640 --> 02:11:53,190read on the show, then it's justlike, oh, well, did that boost208602:11:53,190 --> 02:11:59,070go through? Yeah. Because I'mkind of hiding the mess so that208702:11:59,070 --> 02:12:02,040when you hit that boost button,it looks like all the stats are208802:12:02,040 --> 02:12:05,520taken out of your wallet. But itmay be several minutes before208902:12:05,520 --> 02:12:06,960everything's actually processed.209002:12:07,620 --> 02:12:11,430You mentioned I think youmentioned maybe a week or so ago209102:12:11,430 --> 02:12:18,300that you were switching LNP fromLNP to lb. Is that right?209202:12:18,930 --> 02:12:22,590Yeah, so I've been working withthe lb development team. And209302:12:22,590 --> 02:12:28,020they are trying to develop anAPI so that you can use owl B209402:12:28,020 --> 02:12:31,170and connect to that API, soyou're not having to use a209502:12:31,170 --> 02:12:35,040browser extension. And that wayon a mobile device, you can209602:12:35,040 --> 02:12:38,910still use Albea because I'd muchprefer people be able to use209702:12:38,910 --> 02:12:42,810their own wallets and albies gotit so that you can tie into your209802:12:42,810 --> 02:12:46,800Umbral node or into your, yourvoltage node,209902:12:47,129 --> 02:12:49,259even even on even on a mobilebrowser.210002:12:49,829 --> 02:12:52,769Yeah, that's how that's supposedto work is you connect all that210102:12:52,769 --> 02:12:57,149stuff through Alby and then Ican talk to albies. Back in210202:12:57,149 --> 02:12:58,079through the API.210302:12:58,080 --> 02:13:01,830Oh, cool. Yeah, wallets. I've210402:13:01,830 --> 02:13:06,030never wanted to host wallets.But I think the value, the value210502:13:06,030 --> 02:13:10,050block is so important and beingable to boost and stream that210602:13:10,050 --> 02:13:12,990I've been willing to do it untilbetter solutions come along.210702:13:13,590 --> 02:13:14,160You're coming?210802:13:14,669 --> 02:13:18,389Yeah, that's a good, that's agood thing, because so I'll be a210902:13:18,389 --> 02:13:22,739sort of the bridge there. And soyou've got your wallet. And then211002:13:22,739 --> 02:13:26,849you've got the app. And so theAlby acts as the interface layer211102:13:26,849 --> 02:13:27,509between211202:13:27,900 --> 02:13:30,510the offense and like theauthentication through the web211302:13:30,510 --> 02:13:33,240browser, you're logged in.That's cool. That's a good way211402:13:33,240 --> 02:13:33,810to do it.211502:13:34,230 --> 02:13:36,840Having an API will be would begreat. Cool. Are211602:13:36,840 --> 02:13:40,590these are these mysterious? Owlbee guys? I don't know. They're211702:13:40,590 --> 02:13:44,310like Germany. Ah, you have allof this makes all the sense now.211802:13:44,730 --> 02:13:45,870Hello, Deutschland.211902:13:46,320 --> 02:13:51,720There's another team out therecalled mash. And they have I212002:13:51,720 --> 02:13:56,190want to say it was $6 milliondollars of VC money they got and212102:13:56,220 --> 02:14:00,390they're doing a similar thing.It's not open source, like Alby212202:14:00,390 --> 02:14:05,310is, but I've messed around withtheir stuff a little bit. And212302:14:05,310 --> 02:14:10,200it's already set up that you canhit a boost button in the app.212402:14:10,230 --> 02:14:14,820And even in a mobile device, itwill open up the interface. But212502:14:15,390 --> 02:14:19,350they're not as far along as LBis with the development of that.212602:14:19,350 --> 02:14:19,590Yeah, I212702:14:19,589 --> 02:14:25,379would honestly I'd rather reallysupport the lb guys who are open212802:14:26,279 --> 02:14:27,959are part of the communityalready.212902:14:28,500 --> 02:14:31,590Yeah. And I love that they'veopened up podcaster wallets for213002:14:31,590 --> 02:14:33,330people. Yeah, for sure.213102:14:33,360 --> 02:14:36,180Yeah, that's, that's fantastic.Yeah, let's get the lb guys on213202:14:36,180 --> 02:14:37,620the show. Yeah, you guys are213302:14:38,460 --> 02:14:42,090really doing a lot of good stufffor for podcasting. 2.0213402:14:42,330 --> 02:14:45,420Are you working with Moritz overthere as you're talking to Oh,213502:14:45,420 --> 02:14:45,660yeah,213602:14:45,660 --> 02:14:51,750there's been more it's and thenBumi and boom, figured out the213702:14:51,750 --> 02:14:54,000other guy's is he's the actualdeveloper.213802:14:56,670 --> 02:14:58,770Yeah, yeah. I'll reach out tohim. We get we'll get him on the213902:14:58,770 --> 02:15:02,400show. I'm sorry. that'll begood. Yeah. So that's the one.214002:15:03,000 --> 02:15:06,690That's the one weak point is onthe on the AP side. It's always,214102:15:06,960 --> 02:15:10,440so far, it's just been LM fe.And to have another option, I214202:15:10,440 --> 02:15:14,580think is a sign of market growthanyways, yeah, we really need214302:15:14,580 --> 02:15:15,120Yeah, yeah, for214402:15:15,120 --> 02:15:19,710sure. And an LM pays got issues,but I'm so thankful for what214502:15:19,710 --> 02:15:24,030Ellen pay has done. Because we,if we didn't have Ellen pay, you214602:15:24,030 --> 02:15:28,650could basically use breeze tostream stuff. Almost all the214702:15:28,650 --> 02:15:34,170other apps are using Ellen pay,I think, a pod station that214802:15:34,170 --> 02:15:38,790Guillermo is out. He's got adeal where you can tie into your214902:15:38,790 --> 02:15:44,400actual node, I think. But yeah,we just we wouldn't have had be215002:15:44,400 --> 02:15:47,460as far along with boosting andstreaming if it wasn't for LNP215102:15:48,030 --> 02:15:54,540Oh, yeah. 100% I do wish that hewould lower his model I can't215202:15:54,540 --> 02:15:59,190afford $100 A month when whencurio caster is bringing in $20215302:15:59,190 --> 02:16:03,270a month. But I think well, thatservice he provides like, I215402:16:03,270 --> 02:16:07,650would totally give him the $20but I think a lot of these early215502:16:07,650 --> 02:16:11,400apps, they see that $100 Andhe's been very generous. He's215602:16:11,400 --> 02:16:15,540not charging that to any of thepodcasting 2.0 apps. But when I215702:16:15,540 --> 02:16:18,570see that on his website, there'sa lot of people who bristle at215802:16:18,570 --> 02:16:21,120that. It's like, Man, I can'tafford $100 For this startup215902:16:21,120 --> 02:16:21,630idea.216002:16:21,960 --> 02:16:25,830Well, he's following AdamCurry's third rule of business.216102:16:27,210 --> 02:16:30,780I'll give you the I'll give youall three. Number one, don't run216202:16:30,780 --> 02:16:37,920out of money. Number two, don'tnegotiate against yourself. And216302:16:37,950 --> 02:16:40,620number three, if you don't wantto do something, raise the216402:16:40,620 --> 02:16:47,190price. All right. And so so he'she's signaling to you his216502:16:47,190 --> 02:16:51,030desires. And I can understandwhere he's coming from. So216602:16:51,750 --> 02:16:55,080during this and he seems likehe's doing okay with that, with216702:16:55,080 --> 02:16:55,740that model.216802:16:55,859 --> 02:16:59,369So far, so good, but we wouldhaving maturity of more216902:16:59,369 --> 02:17:03,329services, more wallets, and youknow, the mythical green light217002:17:03,329 --> 02:17:08,009on its way. Yeah, next month, aunicorn. Six months? Yeah. I217102:17:08,009 --> 02:17:08,549believe it's217202:17:08,550 --> 02:17:14,850months ago. No, I didn't. weegoSix weeks217302:17:14,850 --> 02:17:17,190ago, for sure. Yes. weeks ago,for sure.217402:17:17,430 --> 02:17:23,760Yeah. Well, it's yeah, it's comeat that. This is what you know,217502:17:23,760 --> 02:17:27,540on the lightning side of things.I always find it interesting to217602:17:27,900 --> 02:17:32,400find it humorous to do you,either of us subscribe to the217702:17:32,820 --> 02:17:35,220lightning mailing list developermailing list.217802:17:35,219 --> 02:17:39,719Yeah, I don't read it all thetime. Sometimes, like, not217902:17:39,719 --> 02:17:43,769subscribed. I read everything Iread.218002:17:44,130 --> 02:17:46,500You read it all. You read itall. You read it all.218102:17:46,530 --> 02:17:50,190There's, there's this there'sthis funny, passive218202:17:50,190 --> 02:17:52,800aggressiveness that goes onbetween the sea lightning people218302:17:52,800 --> 02:17:55,770and the lnd people. It's allgood.218402:17:55,800 --> 02:17:56,610I'll bet218502:17:57,630 --> 02:18:02,160somebody will propose somebodyfrom lnd will propose something.218602:18:02,430 --> 02:18:06,330And then the response from somefrom the CLSC lining person is218702:18:06,330 --> 02:18:10,380like, oh, it's interesting thatyou think that way. You know,218802:18:10,380 --> 02:18:12,390considering that you know, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's218902:18:12,390 --> 02:18:16,920like totally passive aggressive.Oh, yeah. Slow Motion social219002:18:16,920 --> 02:18:18,450media is what this is gonna219102:18:18,450 --> 02:18:21,270sound goodness. Yeah. Anyway,mailing list. It's just219202:18:21,300 --> 02:18:24,360the it's just a young, the wholething, John, it's just gotten219302:18:24,360 --> 02:18:24,750Yeah,219402:18:25,260 --> 02:18:28,020I feel like we haven't tickedoff anything off your list from219502:18:28,020 --> 02:18:28,890last week. Dave.219602:18:30,180 --> 02:18:34,590The only thing we ticked off ofthe list was the podcasting. 2.0219702:18:34,590 --> 02:18:37,740hackathon. Down here andeverything else is still there.219802:18:39,600 --> 02:18:42,150Well, at least we got one offthe list. Yeah.219902:18:42,509 --> 02:18:47,339Oh, wait, window two cuz I hadon here. Anchor is getting the220002:18:47,339 --> 02:18:49,319boot. So we did. We did.220102:18:49,499 --> 02:18:53,399Yeah, we did do that. Hey,Steven. Man, I feel kind of220202:18:53,399 --> 02:18:56,579guilty and bad that we stillhaven't connected in in real220302:18:56,579 --> 02:19:00,059life. I think what happened isfirst I think your family got220402:19:00,059 --> 02:19:05,039COVID And we got COVID. And thenyou know, other things happened?220502:19:05,069 --> 02:19:06,179Did you have a kid too?220602:19:06,870 --> 02:19:09,600No, thankfully, okay, it'senough for me man.220702:19:12,360 --> 02:19:14,970But we're definitely gonna hangman we got we have to do that.220802:19:14,970 --> 02:19:17,940There's too many people in thisarea. We should do a larger hang220902:19:17,940 --> 02:19:18,540as well.221002:19:20,790 --> 02:19:22,890Are you going to PodcastMovement? Steven,221102:19:23,249 --> 02:19:26,669I'm not. And you know what,Mike? Mike Newman was real221202:19:26,669 --> 02:19:30,269generous and offered me a roombut it just doesn't work with my221302:19:30,269 --> 02:19:33,749schedule to be up in Dallas fora few days. It doesn't work221402:19:33,750 --> 02:19:39,480with my schedule either believeme? Yeah. Doing shows from hotel221502:19:39,480 --> 02:19:40,470rooms no good.221602:19:40,499 --> 02:19:43,499Yeah. And honestly the onlyreason I'd want to go is to meet221702:19:43,499 --> 02:19:48,929with the podcasting 2.0 Guys,all that marketing and shaking221802:19:48,929 --> 02:19:52,199hands with people. That's a thatis not my jam.221902:19:55,350 --> 02:19:57,780Like heard heard chef heard.222002:19:59,639 --> 02:20:03,569I can If I can do it, I won'tsay that I like it, but I can do222102:20:03,569 --> 02:20:05,309it. I can make it work for a fewdays. I'm222202:20:05,310 --> 02:20:08,100excited about going and by theway, Dave, I've determined that222302:20:08,100 --> 02:20:11,730we're not going to split a room.You know, I think you know, I'm222402:20:11,730 --> 02:20:15,33058 almost like I need my ownroom your your you need your own222502:20:15,330 --> 02:20:19,770room. Okay, but maybe we get anair b&b. Maybe we have to see.222602:20:20,310 --> 02:20:22,530I'm like, is there anythingavailable? We'd like we're way222702:20:22,530 --> 02:20:25,080too late with this shit, aren'twe? Even though we probably222802:20:25,080 --> 02:20:25,710about this?222902:20:26,069 --> 02:20:27,659I mean, I'm bringing the tent.223002:20:28,920 --> 02:20:31,320I wish I still had theAirstream. That would have been223102:20:31,320 --> 02:20:32,130so much fun.223202:20:34,170 --> 02:20:38,100I'll put the back of the truck.Yeah, I'm driving. I'm driving.223302:20:38,130 --> 02:20:41,670I'm driving mostly because Idon't I just don't want the223402:20:41,670 --> 02:20:44,010hassle and the headache of the223502:20:45,030 --> 02:20:48,090worst. It's not worth I'm nottraveling anymore. I'm only223602:20:48,090 --> 02:20:53,310traveling on if I can get adirect flight somewhere, which223702:20:53,310 --> 02:20:57,480is not usually is not happening.But otherwise Screw it. I'll223802:20:57,480 --> 02:21:02,340drive or not go. system isbroken. Systems broken. Same223902:21:02,430 --> 02:21:07,290watch for the headlines. Monday,Fourth of July. Traffic airports224002:21:07,290 --> 02:21:11,910meltdown, weather, weather andpersonnel issues. Wet weather,224102:21:12,120 --> 02:21:18,420weather. Ah, Stephen brother,thank you so much, man. For all224202:21:18,420 --> 02:21:21,300you do. Thank you for being abig part of this really, really224302:21:21,300 --> 02:21:25,110is all your all your work is soappreciated, especially224402:21:25,620 --> 02:21:30,720sovereign feeds, selfishlyagain. But I think this has been224502:21:30,720 --> 02:21:34,650so important to have this to beable to create feeds with all of224602:21:34,650 --> 02:21:38,010the nut job features beforethey're even fleshed out. Right.224702:21:38,370 --> 02:21:41,550To run with scissors. I startoff by saying you are you are224802:21:41,550 --> 02:21:47,040the official supplier. Becauseit's really it's made a huge224902:21:47,040 --> 02:21:49,560difference in my life. So thankyou again, for225002:21:49,559 --> 02:21:52,589all your way. And thanks, guys.This is a this has been a lot of225102:21:52,589 --> 02:21:56,849fun. I liked the community thatpodcasting 2.0 has built up225202:21:56,849 --> 02:22:00,359around it. And I really I'mexcited to start bringing225302:22:00,359 --> 02:22:04,799musicians into it. Yeah. Yeah,that's awesome. That's my big225402:22:04,799 --> 02:22:09,539push with sovereign feeds withthe drop box is I really want to225502:22:09,539 --> 02:22:11,549start seeing value enabledmusicians.225602:22:12,450 --> 02:22:14,580This way. Oh, yeah. I love that.225702:22:14,850 --> 02:22:17,580Well, that's awesome. With yourdevelopment process, your225802:22:17,580 --> 02:22:22,080acumen, you will totally figureit out. Because you adjust that225902:22:22,080 --> 02:22:25,830UI and the UX to such a degreethat it really draws people into226002:22:25,830 --> 02:22:27,090the app. You're really good atthat.226102:22:27,900 --> 02:22:30,960For sure. Thanks for thecompliment. I always worry that226202:22:31,500 --> 02:22:33,630my changes are for the worse.226302:22:33,960 --> 02:22:40,470Oh, no. Sometimes they screw upmy life incredibly. Okay. That's226402:22:40,470 --> 02:22:44,700part of it, man. That's what Ilove. That's what I love. It's226502:22:44,700 --> 02:22:47,220all the bumps and warts thatmake it all worth it.226602:22:49,290 --> 02:22:50,790DAVE Yes,226702:22:50,819 --> 02:22:51,689I love you Dave.226802:22:52,410 --> 02:22:53,070I love you, Adam.226902:22:54,210 --> 02:22:56,610All right, everybody. We'll beback next week with another227002:22:56,610 --> 02:23:00,660board meeting. And podcasting2.0 Have a great weekend for227102:23:00,660 --> 02:23:02,730Fourth of July see you everybodybye bye.227202:23:18,630 --> 02:23:23,160You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast227302:23:23,160 --> 02:23:25,560index.org For more information