Episode 92: Space Boost

1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:09,270 podcasting 2.0 for July 1 2022, episode 92 Space boost Hello, 2 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:12,240 everybody, welcome once again to the official board meeting of 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:18,000 podcasting. 2.0. It's Friday, everything going on and podcast 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,510 index.org Whatever we're developing and doing with the 5 00:00:21,540 --> 00:00:25,170 podcast standards, the namespace and of course, all of the 6 00:00:25,170 --> 00:00:29,100 gossip, all the real Brain Juice and goo that we find in podcast 7 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:32,190 index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas 8 00:00:32,190 --> 00:00:35,730 Hill Country. And in Alabama ladies, He's doubled the size of 9 00:00:35,730 --> 00:00:38,670 his database. My friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, 10 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:47,190 Mr. Dave Jones. Yes, yes. TWICE, TWICE the goodness. Yes. Sorry. 11 00:00:47,220 --> 00:00:54,690 No, we still we still learning how to drive this thing. It's 12 00:00:54,690 --> 00:00:55,080 all new. 13 00:00:56,310 --> 00:01:01,140 I'm hoping that our dog doesn't lose his mind. We had, you know, 14 00:01:01,140 --> 00:01:01,980 our cat died. 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,590 Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm sorry. Yeah, I 16 00:01:04,590 --> 00:01:08,580 mean, we that's, that's fine. Like, we are a cat and we had to 17 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:10,560 go pick up another one. And 18 00:01:12,210 --> 00:01:14,730 it's like, this one's out. This one's done trying to get a new 19 00:01:14,730 --> 00:01:17,460 one right away. You didn't even consider for a moment what a 20 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:20,610 hassle a pet. It really is. I mean, you know, it sucks. But 21 00:01:20,820 --> 00:01:23,610 there's a lot of a lot of downside to a pet. 22 00:01:24,150 --> 00:01:30,060 But it's sort of like I don't know, I see cats is expendable. 23 00:01:32,190 --> 00:01:35,310 It's sort of like, sort of like oil filters. You just kind of 24 00:01:35,310 --> 00:01:38,070 swap them out. But you always need to have one Yes, like that. 25 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:41,130 You gotta have one around. But then it doesn't matter which one 26 00:01:41,130 --> 00:01:46,200 it is. You just if you don't if you don't buy one or getting 27 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,140 given one, one will just show up at your house. I don't even 28 00:01:49,140 --> 00:01:49,650 really have to 29 00:01:49,650 --> 00:01:53,370 go. I am your oil filter this month. How you doing? Now? 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,490 One will appear and your backyard and then you just start 31 00:01:56,490 --> 00:02:00,210 feeding it you gotta get but this one is a little psycho. 32 00:02:00,750 --> 00:02:02,940 On the way to look at. Oh, okay, this is the new one. Where'd you 33 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:04,380 get them? Is it a rescue? 34 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:10,410 No as a true to form. Somebody just randomly said, Hey, do 35 00:02:10,410 --> 00:02:11,160 y'all need a cat? 36 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:14,160 Oh, really? I love it. Yeah, I love it. Well, that's what 37 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,030 that's how we got our dog. Like, we just decided to get a dog and 38 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:20,550 we're gonna go the whole audition for a puppy route. 39 00:02:21,870 --> 00:02:24,090 Which is kind of ridiculous in my mind. 40 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:28,920 That's yeah, I don't know if I can do this. Barf all over the 41 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:30,780 house, though. It's, this is the problem. 42 00:02:31,890 --> 00:02:33,750 Right? But the cats are not like that. 43 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:39,420 Yeah, that I mean, this cat is this cat is throwing up 10 times 44 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:39,450 a 45 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:41,790 day. Oh, okay. Why? What's up? 46 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:46,230 I don't know. I don't know if it's disease. But it's kind of 47 00:02:46,230 --> 00:02:47,370 freaking me out a little bit. You 48 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:48,690 got a bogus cat, man. 49 00:02:49,170 --> 00:02:51,480 But wow, the dog hates this cat. So he may. 50 00:02:51,510 --> 00:02:57,510 Oh, I see the issue. Yeah, yeah. I'm keeping them separate. And 51 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:59,220 your dogs about the size of mine. 52 00:03:00,090 --> 00:03:03,270 Yeah. Not not a small guy. No, it's really another person 53 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:05,130 is really another human being in your house. 54 00:03:05,940 --> 00:03:08,430 When your dog walks around, and you hear the floors crazy. 55 00:03:11,490 --> 00:03:15,600 Well see, we have the concrete floors. And there's some rugs. 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,870 So she just she can't do much. She can't really charge or 57 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:21,480 anything because she'll just like a cartoon will just be 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,930 slipping. 59 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:25,140 But when she plays go, Oh, yeah. 60 00:03:25,139 --> 00:03:27,389 But when she gets the zoomies around the table which is on a 61 00:03:27,389 --> 00:03:31,949 carpet. Yeah. It's mayhem. I mean, it's just mayhem. 100 105 62 00:03:31,949 --> 00:03:37,889 pounds. Yeah. Crazy. Hey, 63 00:03:38,490 --> 00:03:42,270 I have good news. Oh, yes. I'd like a news. Yes. 64 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:45,720 I mean, I hate being the bearer of bad news, which is good news 65 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,110 for us. But Spotify is about to kill itself. 66 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:53,100 I've got good news. Spotify is about to die. 67 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:57,270 I feel bad about saying that. But there was a really good 68 00:03:57,270 --> 00:04:02,070 article, Bloomberg put together and that just it was more for 69 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:05,160 investors. The gist of it is, hey, you know, Spotify put a lot 70 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,370 of money into podcasting. They they basically moved from their 71 00:04:08,370 --> 00:04:13,980 non profitable business of streaming music, which is a byte 72 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:16,770 definition. It just, you know, you can't really run it 73 00:04:16,770 --> 00:04:21,750 profitably. Because the the owners have the law on their 74 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:24,750 side. The labels have incredible power. They're also 75 00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:29,730 shareholders. You know, so it, the whole thing is, is really 76 00:04:29,730 --> 00:04:32,250 convoluted. And it's just hard to make money on music, 77 00:04:32,250 --> 00:04:35,370 certainly in the models that are out there today. So they can so 78 00:04:35,370 --> 00:04:38,640 the audio is their whole thing. And without a doubt, they've got 79 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,720 a lot of people using their app to listen to podcasts. And I 80 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,100 think they're gonna do audiobooks. I don't know 81 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:46,560 anything about that business. But the focus was on podcasts 82 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,140 and they're saying, hey, hasn't really paid off of course the 83 00:04:49,140 --> 00:04:52,440 markets are working against them were when Joe Rogan came on 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,580 board, it was $353 a share. Now they're down to 100. You know, 85 00:04:56,580 --> 00:04:59,640 so So all of that is just not worth it and it makes for 86 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,820 unhappy people inside the company who came in have 87 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:05,070 options. I mean, I've been through this I know what 88 00:05:05,070 --> 00:05:10,920 happens. And the story details all of these kinds of 89 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,100 entertainment heavyweights who have come in to run the 90 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:17,760 podcasting division from the content perspective, and 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,910 probably the guy that was most in tune with podcasting, Holt, I 92 00:05:20,910 --> 00:05:23,010 think his name was and yeah, he's the one that did the Rogen 93 00:05:23,010 --> 00:05:26,730 deal. He's out or strategic advisor. And they brought in a 94 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:29,880 number of people who, you know, came from Paramount and a couple 95 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,760 other places. So they go through this whole thing. And you know 96 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,670 how difficult it was and the Obamas. And they went after big 97 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:39,000 names, but those aren't really producing any shows. Long story 98 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,190 short. What then to me was, the big news is that they have now 99 00:05:44,190 --> 00:05:48,960 moved to a network Podcast Network strategy. And they want 100 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:52,920 to have 50 million creators join their network, and they will 101 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,590 help them with everything they need, and they will help them 102 00:05:55,590 --> 00:05:58,890 monetize. And they want to be famous, and the dream will come 103 00:05:58,890 --> 00:06:04,140 true. So the minute I heard that, I was like, oh, okay, 104 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:07,230 well, let me tell you right now I'll skip. I'll skip to the 105 00:06:07,230 --> 00:06:10,830 sport, right to the end. You cannot monetize the network. 106 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:15,060 This is a scam. And they're doing it exactly the way I did 107 00:06:15,060 --> 00:06:18,270 it. Which is why I can say it's going to fail, because I don't 108 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:22,440 think it was me. And I've had a lot, a lot of time to analyze 109 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:29,190 this. We raised and spent $65 million over a 10 year period 110 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:30,660 for it not to work. 111 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,330 adjusted to inflation. That's a that's a lot of money as they're 112 00:06:36,330 --> 00:06:40,080 spending today. Yeah. Maybe it was 113 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,630 2005 when we started and we had four rounds of bidding, above 114 00:06:45,630 --> 00:06:48,420 all, and these were some were very sophisticated like Silicon 115 00:06:48,420 --> 00:06:53,100 Valley. Bo blue chip names Kleiner Perkins, Sequoia Capital 116 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:56,850 rom Sriram. Not many people know that name. But, you know, like 117 00:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,930 original Google funders. We had the network for sure. So we 118 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:04,380 could almost get in touch with anybody we needed. We were a 119 00:07:04,380 --> 00:07:07,170 little bit of the outliers because we didn't let ourselves 120 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:11,550 be diluted over four rounds to some horrible degree. But it 121 00:07:11,550 --> 00:07:14,130 didn't matter in the end, because it just didn't work out. 122 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:19,830 We never got an exit. We really, although we rank almost cashflow 123 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:24,300 profitably, we couldn't do it. So I just like to share a couple 124 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:27,210 of reasons why this won't work. So is 125 00:07:27,210 --> 00:07:30,270 this a fireside? Is this a fireside chat with Spotify that 126 00:07:30,270 --> 00:07:31,110 you're doing right now? Yes, 127 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:34,770 I am picking up on my knee here a Spotify. I feel free to 128 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:37,440 interrupt Dave, if you have questions because I it's like 129 00:07:37,530 --> 00:07:40,710 when I see this. I'm like, oh, no, no, that will not work. 130 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:41,820 Definitely not. 131 00:07:42,270 --> 00:07:47,520 We have one question right off the bat. Garan it's less of a 132 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,050 question and more of a request for explanation. Can you just 133 00:07:52,050 --> 00:07:56,610 give, because I don't think people understand what you 134 00:07:56,610 --> 00:08:00,930 cannot monetize the network means. Because when you say 135 00:08:00,930 --> 00:08:05,280 that, I think people think, Oh, well ISPs exist and they make 136 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,330 money, you can clearly monetize the network, you don't mean that 137 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:12,150 you mean something different? Can you just give a quick 138 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:13,050 overview of that? 139 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,510 Thank you. Good, good point. So when you form a podcast network 140 00:08:18,510 --> 00:08:23,010 with independent creators, who you are going to bond together 141 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:27,960 by common advertising, sales, common marketing initiatives, 142 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:35,820 etc, you will provide services such as hosting and other you 143 00:08:35,820 --> 00:08:41,370 know, some technological things, maybe the career counseling, 144 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,660 etc, etc, which, interestingly, a lot of podcasts hosting 145 00:08:45,660 --> 00:08:50,460 companies do some of that. And I think the most undervalued part 146 00:08:50,490 --> 00:08:54,300 is the help desk. And that's where most of the human 147 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:58,050 resources go in is to helping people getting up and running 148 00:08:58,050 --> 00:09:03,540 and set. Now we only started with, I think, 12 podcasts that 149 00:09:03,540 --> 00:09:07,710 we contracted with, and we and we help them set up LLCs. And we 150 00:09:07,710 --> 00:09:14,070 paid them a fixed fee, and above any, with an advance similar to 151 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:18,000 a record company, but not where the horrible royalties. And, 152 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:26,220 and, and these were like Don and Drew and Callie Lewis, who else 153 00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:30,840 do we have? We had the bloated lesbian match Weinstein, the 154 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:33,480 bloated lesbian, we had the rock'n'roll geek show, I mean, 155 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,750 and these were the early hits, and we were looking for hits so 156 00:09:36,780 --> 00:09:41,640 that that was our understanding of how it would work. And here's 157 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,550 what we discovered, because it's very similar to record 158 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:46,650 companies. You know, if something doesn't work, then you 159 00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:51,090 just you can't focus your time on it. So we all we had and then 160 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:53,820 every other network that came after us, and please go and look 161 00:09:53,820 --> 00:09:58,170 and tell me how successful they are. They always have a 162 00:09:58,170 --> 00:10:02,010 podcaster relations person This is in this there's a new person 163 00:10:02,010 --> 00:10:05,190 that Spotify. I gotta see what? Where is this? 164 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:07,889 Is it really a title of podcasts or relations? 165 00:10:09,030 --> 00:10:13,680 No, it's BP. It's like it'll be created or something. But yeah, 166 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:17,010 hold on a second. It's a very long article, it's linked in the 167 00:10:17,010 --> 00:10:26,850 show notes, of course. Says McNamara. My can't find his name 168 00:10:26,850 --> 00:10:32,640 off offhand. But that it's an impossible job. It's an 169 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:37,170 impossible job. Because here's, here's I'm just gonna tell you 170 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:41,580 what happens. First of all, the sales team is going to think 171 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:44,130 this is great. We're going to change advertising, we're going 172 00:10:44,130 --> 00:10:47,430 to have new categories. Oh, yeah. No, I thought this myself. 173 00:10:47,790 --> 00:10:51,090 And there will be you know, that really what that results in is 174 00:10:51,090 --> 00:10:55,290 host reads. And so now you have to have when conversations with 175 00:10:55,290 --> 00:10:58,110 individual hosts, and you have to discuss how that you know, 176 00:10:58,110 --> 00:11:01,170 what tone of voice what the, etc, etc, some individual 177 00:11:01,170 --> 00:11:07,890 negotiations, you know, there will be advertiser will have to 178 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:10,830 do a network buy, and then they're going to be, of course, 179 00:11:10,830 --> 00:11:14,940 very concerned about brand safety. So now you have to go 180 00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:19,920 and see what you know, what shows are you can you trust to 181 00:11:19,950 --> 00:11:24,930 not screw this up? They're talking about 50 million. So, 182 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,640 you know, I'm not quite sure how you think you're going to 183 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,320 automate that. But the minute advertiser hears something on a 184 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,710 show that they don't like, or, like some outfit, like Sleeping 185 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:37,680 Giants wants to use leverage and tells them about it, they pull 186 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,470 it from the whole network, and then you have the downside of 187 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:43,260 the network, which is, you know, you get a big buy, and they can 188 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:46,200 also pull it back, and then you have nothing and then you have 189 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,040 other issues. 190 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Is that the key that everybody thinks to making money is that 191 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,280 you're going to get that you're going to get a certain amount of 192 00:11:57,570 --> 00:12:01,170 total network buys. Is that Is that where they're aiming it? 193 00:12:01,380 --> 00:12:02,130 Well, before 194 00:12:02,130 --> 00:12:05,430 I answer the question, there's a fundamental difference. And this 195 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:08,880 is why we talked about I talked about not being able to monetize 196 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,540 the network, is because you don't have a lock, you don't 197 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:17,070 actually own the network. That's kind of the the double entendre. 198 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:22,620 You know, unlike a television network, where most of these 199 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:27,420 executives come from, you know, you don't determine what comes 200 00:12:27,420 --> 00:12:30,510 on at eight o'clock. And what comes on after that. So now that 201 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:34,710 people have choice, not just choice of content offerings, but 202 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:38,130 also choice of when they want to view something, or how they want 203 00:12:38,130 --> 00:12:41,220 to view or listen to something, this is too much choice, you 204 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:45,600 can't lock them in. So it's like, a kind of a shitty show, 205 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,330 but I'll watch it anyway. There's nothing else. That's how 206 00:12:48,330 --> 00:12:52,620 we grew up. So I can yeah, there's nothing else I can't 207 00:12:52,620 --> 00:12:55,260 really switch to this is what the network is playing. But 208 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:59,100 there's too many alternatives that people can go anywhere. I 209 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:01,950 mean, podcasting didn't collapse, when Joe Rogan went to 210 00:13:01,950 --> 00:13:09,540 Spotify just didn't. So what this always results in always, 211 00:13:10,140 --> 00:13:14,760 is brands going to networks and saying, You know what, we want 212 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,990 to create our own podcast. And we want to have this host and we 213 00:13:18,990 --> 00:13:22,620 have this kind of vibe. Now Spotify, they are now in the 214 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:25,230 business where the analytics, their analytical tools they've 215 00:13:25,230 --> 00:13:28,260 been talking about, they're going to fall right down the 216 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:31,860 Netflix hole of well, okay, the data says, people like true 217 00:13:31,860 --> 00:13:40,260 crime with a female trans host. woman of color that talks about 218 00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:45,540 you know, and, and they'll come up with these Frankenstein type 219 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:51,420 programming, but they'll sell something. Or here comes the the 220 00:13:51,450 --> 00:13:54,630 motorcycle brand, hey, you know, we want to do a big deal with 221 00:13:54,630 --> 00:13:57,810 all your motorcycle podcasts and then everyone has to be talked 222 00:13:57,810 --> 00:14:01,110 to, and okay, now you want to integrate it into the 223 00:14:01,110 --> 00:14:04,410 programming, it's never ending story. And the poor person who 224 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:10,290 is podcaster relations, is going to hate the job. In the end, you 225 00:14:10,290 --> 00:14:15,360 just can't get to the scale. And that's when so when you have BMW 226 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:21,300 and Pfizer and Verizon, when you and American Airlines when 227 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:24,390 they're coming to you to advertise, there's no margin for 228 00:14:24,390 --> 00:14:28,320 error. And you just can't wrangle it, you can't wrangle 229 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,000 it. And then you get the other end of it. Where podcasters 230 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,430 they're gonna share all their contracts. Hey, what are you 231 00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:37,860 getting paid? No, I'm getting this. But your deal, you know, 232 00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:41,310 Hey, man, how come he's getting all the marketing and when can 233 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:46,320 we get some marketing? It doesn't work. It's painful. It's 234 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,530 painful, but the reason they have to do it is they can't get 235 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:53,250 the cheap money anymore. The cheap money markets are closed 236 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:56,640 so they can't buy any more of whatever they think is worth 237 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,580 buying. So I have to 238 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:04,110 discard They have to guard their cash pile now. If they have any 239 00:15:04,140 --> 00:15:07,530 whatever they have left they have to guard it with with great 240 00:15:07,530 --> 00:15:09,870 care. Yes. They can't just go out and blow it because there's 241 00:15:09,870 --> 00:15:11,640 no defaults that get turned off. 242 00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:14,520 Yeah, then that's for everybody. That's universal. I mean, of 243 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,560 course, there's still deals being done. But you know, 244 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,060 there's no buying anything big in I don't think that would be 245 00:15:21,060 --> 00:15:23,370 quite surprising, because, you know, investors are kind of 246 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:26,130 losing confidence in the whole strategies. Yeah, it's a fickle 247 00:15:26,130 --> 00:15:28,950 market. Joe has been what? How long? Has he been doing it a 248 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:33,720 year? Rogen? Yeah, a year and a half now must be longer than 249 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:38,880 that. Now we've been we've been here a year. So year and a half 250 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:39,390 probably. 251 00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:44,340 Yeah. And they've they've dropped talking about, they've 252 00:15:44,340 --> 00:15:47,100 dropped talking about him out of all of their everything, even 253 00:15:47,130 --> 00:15:49,350 though everything's they don't even mention his name anymore. 254 00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:50,010 The Bloomberg 255 00:15:50,010 --> 00:15:53,190 article even had a different title at first, which was 256 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:57,120 interesting. The title of this was Spotify, his billion dollar 257 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,010 bet on podcasting has yet to pay off. But I saw the same article. 258 00:16:02,850 --> 00:16:06,030 Let me see the same article with a different title that had Rogen 259 00:16:06,030 --> 00:16:08,100 in it, which I think was published earlier. 260 00:16:14,820 --> 00:16:17,310 Can't find it? So anyway, so 261 00:16:17,820 --> 00:16:20,910 yeah, I have things to add. Yeah. So please, continue. 262 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:27,990 No, I think my rant I mean, my rant kind of ends there. But the 263 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,490 podcasting is something unique to the internet. It's different 264 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:36,300 from radio in the way it's distributed, obviously. But it's 265 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:40,110 not just the actual real time distribution, which is it always 266 00:16:40,110 --> 00:16:43,920 tickles me that we all get excited about real time and live 267 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,190 shows and lit and all that. But it's it's such a it's such the 268 00:16:47,190 --> 00:16:51,180 antithesis, but it has a place, it has a place as a part of an 269 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:55,890 overall strategy. And over here, which includes me, to me, it's 270 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:58,800 the studio audience. That's That's what lit is, you know, we 271 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,890 have, I don't know what 15 People in the chat room, that's 272 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,980 the studio audience, it creates a vibe that makes it work. It's 273 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:08,010 a programming decision, not necessarily a distribution 274 00:17:08,010 --> 00:17:13,440 decision. But when but not having that lock on the network. 275 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,870 You know, this is where people want you. There's only one Super 276 00:17:15,870 --> 00:17:16,200 Bowl. 277 00:17:17,910 --> 00:17:22,530 Right? Always with the time the 278 00:17:22,530 --> 00:17:26,400 timing is fantastic. So you just 279 00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:29,430 can't there's a certain amount of pages in your magazine each 280 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:30,120 month? Well, this is 281 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:34,710 why I always say ultimately, you know, how in when Google sells 282 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:37,800 inventory, I mean, they can make as much inventory as they want. 283 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,790 You know, the price just has to naturally go down, which is what 284 00:17:41,790 --> 00:17:46,170 happened with pay per click and, and pay per impression. All that 285 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:49,530 stuff just went down because you can make infinite. I mean, even 286 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,960 expanding networks grows that market. 287 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,230 I mean, well, now we're seeing now we're seeing artificial 288 00:17:55,230 --> 00:17:57,570 scarcity be the play, I think you're 289 00:17:57,570 --> 00:18:01,140 seeing what they're trying to do is say the artificial scarcity 290 00:18:01,140 --> 00:18:05,550 is we've got these big names. We're developing, you know, Amy 291 00:18:05,550 --> 00:18:08,550 Schumer's podcasts were developing, you know, so the 292 00:18:08,550 --> 00:18:11,520 Obamas are gone. But that showed, you know, the article 293 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,670 even kind of pans that and says, you know, so, the Obamas 294 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:18,060 basically, Barack was on the first episode of Michelle's 295 00:18:18,060 --> 00:18:22,650 podcast, she did 14 episodes after that. And then the 296 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,160 President Obama did like one chat with Bruce Springsteen, 297 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,030 they turned it into a series podcast, very sad mo facts rip 298 00:18:30,030 --> 00:18:39,240 off, I'll say You know, so it most The fact is when people 299 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,560 have choice of the scary shit over here, oh, I might hear a 300 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,190 bad word. But I kind of want to hear that, you know, we're 301 00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:48,270 Cinemax. 302 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,220 D, do you think the lack of talking about Rogan at all in 303 00:18:53,220 --> 00:18:56,550 any of their media presence now? Do you think that signals that 304 00:18:56,550 --> 00:19:00,480 he's not that he's probably not going to stick with him beyond 305 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,740 the contract length? Um, man? 306 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:09,360 That's a good question. I I I really can't answer that. I 307 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:12,240 mean, I don't even know if Joe's compensation isn't partially 308 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,890 tied to the stock price. I mean, we really don't know. Yeah, that 309 00:19:16,890 --> 00:19:19,230 anything we don't know the contract. Yeah, we don't know 310 00:19:19,230 --> 00:19:23,070 the details of the deal. And so I don't know, I really don't 311 00:19:23,070 --> 00:19:23,400 know. 312 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,660 Well, this this ties into something that I've had written 313 00:19:27,660 --> 00:19:32,640 on my on my notes for a while. And I actually can piece it 314 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:39,210 together with something that I did this morning actually. Is, I 315 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:42,540 wonder how my question is, I wonder how long anchor is going 316 00:19:42,540 --> 00:19:46,890 to survive? Oh, no. Like they're gonna boot there. I feel like 317 00:19:46,890 --> 00:19:48,450 they're just gonna boot them to the curb. 318 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,800 Well, wait, what's their alternative? 319 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,580 Bringing it in house is an 320 00:19:53,580 --> 00:19:56,370 anchor, okay, but they're still because I think what you're 321 00:19:56,370 --> 00:20:01,710 gonna see from Spotify is an integrated join us If we do your 322 00:20:01,710 --> 00:20:03,060 hosting, we do all of that. 323 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,010 Yes. And under the Spotify name, I think that's what they're 324 00:20:08,010 --> 00:20:12,120 really going to do. So you have to anchor anchor is literally an 325 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,150 anchor for the hem of its business wise. I mean, they, 326 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:19,920 they don't seem to bring in any revenue, it seems they're 327 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,740 probably losing money, I would have to imagine. I mean, where's 328 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:27,570 the revenue from? They're free, they're free podcast host. They, 329 00:20:28,590 --> 00:20:32,130 it's the GoDaddy, it's the go to free podcast host. As far as I 330 00:20:32,130 --> 00:20:34,350 can tell, it's like, oh, I'll just set up a show on Anchor, 331 00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:36,090 that's fine, stupid people, 332 00:20:36,449 --> 00:20:39,389 which is the worst thing possible is to have, you know, 333 00:20:39,389 --> 00:20:43,049 that's what I tell people when it comes to, you know, using the 334 00:20:43,049 --> 00:20:45,779 end, using the index, sometimes people will say, Well, you know, 335 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:49,559 they'll imply that, that we really want to get as many users 336 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:51,749 on the API as possible. And like, that's really not the 337 00:20:51,749 --> 00:20:56,999 case. Because every time a free, you know, somebody else free 338 00:20:56,999 --> 00:21:00,209 starts using the API, it's more load on us, it costs us money. 339 00:21:00,689 --> 00:21:03,809 And so it's really doesn't work that way. Same way. Same way, 340 00:21:03,809 --> 00:21:09,059 with with Spotify and anchor, as the more popular anchor is, the 341 00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:13,739 more it costs them to run it. And, you know, the head, the 342 00:21:13,739 --> 00:21:17,909 guy, the head guy, Manyana left, who had been there since before 343 00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:21,209 the acquisition, you know, he was one of the founders, and 344 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,149 going all the way back to the South by Southwest, you know, 345 00:21:24,179 --> 00:21:28,589 launch of, of anchor as a social audio product, and God and he 346 00:21:28,589 --> 00:21:31,919 got all about that. Yeah, it was the proto clubhouse, 347 00:21:31,979 --> 00:21:36,179 essentially. But then they, you know, so he, they pivot nailed, 348 00:21:36,509 --> 00:21:39,599 yeah. And he and they pivoted into podcasting to survive, and 349 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:44,819 then anchor bottom. And now anchor is now Spotify is testing 350 00:21:44,819 --> 00:21:48,959 out their thing, this thing in New Zealand, where they're 351 00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:52,559 allowing people in the Spotify app to essentially do the exact 352 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:56,429 same thing that Ankur does, which is just pick up your phone 353 00:21:56,429 --> 00:21:59,819 and talk into it, and you have a podcast, but it's pure Spotify 354 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:04,049 and anchor is not involved with this at all. So that tells me 355 00:22:04,349 --> 00:22:07,529 that I don't think anchor is very as long for this world. 356 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,780 They would, I mean, it'd be crazy not not to take the 357 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,150 infrastructure, they're going to rebuild. You know what, yeah, 358 00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:19,470 probably this month, they'll rebuild it, they'll rebuild your 359 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:22,680 anchor will become the paid plan become a paid platform, and 360 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,950 Spotify will be the sort of ephemeral talking to your phone 361 00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:26,970 type free thing. 362 00:22:27,419 --> 00:22:30,269 No, no, no, no, no, I disagree. I don't think that talking into 363 00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:34,259 your phone thing is going away. That's going away that no one 364 00:22:34,259 --> 00:22:38,189 has made money on that. I think they're professional, basically, 365 00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:42,209 the reverse of what a podcast host does a podcast hosting 366 00:22:42,209 --> 00:22:45,479 company, the good ones, they say, Hey, come over here. Here's 367 00:22:45,479 --> 00:22:47,609 how you can you know, here's how you get started. Here's 368 00:22:47,639 --> 00:22:50,429 resources, here's learning material, you can schedule like, 369 00:22:50,429 --> 00:22:53,489 I know, Todd to blueberry, he seems to talk to every new 370 00:22:53,489 --> 00:22:57,899 customer. And make a plan for them. You know, if he believes 371 00:22:57,899 --> 00:23:00,359 that they're worthwhile, or whatever, I'm not sure how that 372 00:23:00,479 --> 00:23:03,359 how that works. But I know that he sits down with people and 373 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,119 says, here's what you can realistically expect and, and he 374 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,169 helps them what he can't promise is hey, you know, I'm going to 375 00:23:10,169 --> 00:23:12,659 make you rich, famous and powerful, not necessarily in 376 00:23:12,659 --> 00:23:16,469 that order. Yeah, you know, Spotify says hey, look at the 377 00:23:16,469 --> 00:23:20,249 look at the you'll be right next to dot dot dot, you know, will 378 00:23:20,249 --> 00:23:25,379 put you in the recommended podcasts for dot dot dot 379 00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:29,880 right beside right beside Rogan or right besides 380 00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,699 whatever we ever fill in the blank, exactly blank, fill it 381 00:23:32,699 --> 00:23:36,479 in, we'll put you near the sports guy stuff or, or will 382 00:23:36,509 --> 00:23:39,149 Hello brand we'll help you develop this is this will 383 00:23:39,149 --> 00:23:42,449 happen, I guess you can write this one down, a brand will show 384 00:23:42,449 --> 00:23:46,589 up. And a brand will say we want to create the ultimate sports 385 00:23:46,589 --> 00:23:51,599 podcast or maybe even podcast network of shows. We want to own 386 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,499 it, and you have all the data so tell us what all the elements 387 00:23:55,499 --> 00:24:00,539 are that we need to have, get us the talent and and that's how it 388 00:24:00,539 --> 00:24:03,779 will happen. And that's not even necessarily a recipe for 389 00:24:03,779 --> 00:24:09,239 success, but they will do that. It's the nature of finding the 390 00:24:09,239 --> 00:24:13,349 business. There's no business they can't make it on ads for 391 00:24:13,349 --> 00:24:16,049 whatever reason they're not they're not unprofitable because 392 00:24:16,049 --> 00:24:18,479 of the expenditures that unprofitable because it's not 393 00:24:18,479 --> 00:24:19,169 profitable. 394 00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:27,720 Well, a network a a hosting platform of 3 million podcasts 395 00:24:28,290 --> 00:24:33,150 2.9 9 million of which nobody ever listens to is a money 396 00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:37,020 losing situation correct right? It's it's literally you know, 397 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:41,520 they would be much better off if they just punted on RSS 398 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:47,550 altogether and and converted anchor into the Spotify brand 399 00:24:47,550 --> 00:24:50,640 bring them in house and just be appeared database with an API 400 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,020 for their for their purposes. That would be the exactly exact 401 00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:58,110 way to go. Yeah, I think that's what the Devon think that's what 402 00:24:58,110 --> 00:25:02,400 the last year of of No. tilling the soil and publicly has 403 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,150 probably been about because they think they will do that. No, I 404 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:06,930 don't. It seems 405 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,060 no, I don't think so. No, that's not what they're saying. They're 406 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:12,060 saying they want 50 million creators. 407 00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:14,010 on Spotify. 408 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:20,070 Oh, you think? Anchors all on all on Spotify? No RSS feeds 409 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:21,120 only Spotify? 410 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,130 Yeah, I think I think that 411 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:26,880 that will result in one thing and one thing only people 412 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,670 uploading everywhere, including Spotify. Yeah. Pretty much. Oh, 413 00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:36,150 brother. So this I guarantee that's what it is. Yeah, it's 414 00:25:36,150 --> 00:25:36,900 probably right. 415 00:25:37,439 --> 00:25:43,949 But the the other part, though, was is pot. This has been in my 416 00:25:43,949 --> 00:25:46,199 crawl for a while. And the reason this is related is 417 00:25:46,199 --> 00:25:50,399 because Spotify clearly wants to be the YouTube of podcasting. 418 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,860 Now, they would say there between the YouTube of 419 00:25:55,860 --> 00:26:00,900 podcasting and by the way, YouTube, look at how much money 420 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:04,860 they do look at how much how many people have to work there 421 00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:08,190 to monitor all this crap. So their advertisers don't get 422 00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:12,600 pissed off. And they pissed off and demonetized and dehumanized 423 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:16,500 a lot of people, but because they had an actual business tied 424 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:20,520 to the back of it, namely, Google search, they were able to 425 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,110 weather through all the storms. 426 00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:26,190 We see they always get a backstop. Yeah, they have a real 427 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:29,040 business, they have a real business on the funds, 428 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,500 everything. They weren't profitable for a long time, they 429 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:36,720 were losing a lot of money on infrastructure a lot. Spotify, 430 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,200 of course, also wants to move towards video. So that in a 431 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,110 combination with the Netflix model, which we know also isn't 432 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:44,580 working too well right now. 433 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:50,250 Well, the so I went through we've heard time after time 434 00:26:50,250 --> 00:26:54,480 after time, over the last couple of years that I don't remember 435 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,550 when this was first talked about, but I think it was 436 00:26:56,550 --> 00:26:58,920 something with Edison Research and I don't remember where this 437 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,760 started. But I know I've heard Tom Webster talk about it on 438 00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:07,440 other shows about how the number one pod is the number one app 439 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,460 for listening to podcast is always YouTube. And this has 440 00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:17,010 always bothered me. I don't something about it. I was a 441 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:21,180 thought you know, I just I can't articulate why I did why I think 442 00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:26,070 that number is bogus. But I just think it's bogus. And I want to 443 00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:31,320 so I just went and I went and grabbed the weekly podcast 444 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,990 listeners survey from Edison the US Top 50 podcast and this is 445 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:41,340 probably the most complete survey that did that's out 446 00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:43,770 there. And I just went one by one I grabbed the top 20 I 447 00:27:43,770 --> 00:27:48,540 grabbed the top 25 Out of the 50 and I searched for each one of 448 00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:53,610 them on YouTube and just wrote down what what I found. And so 449 00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:57,750 the Joe you know Joe Rogan clearly is number one in podcast 450 00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:02,370 world for listeners. Only is only clips. There's not full 451 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:07,260 episodes occasional clips on YouTube. Crime junkie is number 452 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:11,580 two. They are they do post their episodes to YouTube but each 453 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,780 each one of them has less than 1000 views. So clearly not 454 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,340 anything of any consequence at all. The daily is number three 455 00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:23,520 from New York Times no they are not on YouTube. This American 456 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,340 Life has not has a YouTube channel but they haven't posted 457 00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:32,220 to in three years. My favorite murder only has clips and I'm 458 00:28:32,220 --> 00:28:35,250 just going in order from top to bottom six stuff you shouldn't 459 00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:37,980 know they have not posted to their YouTube channel into 460 00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:42,930 yours. office ladies from ear wolf studios I can't find it. 461 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,520 Dateline NBC they have a few they have clips but otherwise 462 00:28:47,550 --> 00:28:53,460 they clips and trailers. Ben Shapiro is on there. So that's 463 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,530 that's a big one. Call her daddy. Spotify only not on not 464 00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:03,450 on YouTube or there's clips on the I guess. Morbid a true crime 465 00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:07,710 podcast. They are on there but they have roughly 1000 views per 466 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:12,600 per episode. There are a bunch of NPR shows so 467 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,250 what you're saying is bogus. 468 00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:21,420 Well, here's here's if you get down to you don't see any you 469 00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:26,220 don't see any significance at all in the top in this top 25 470 00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:31,110 until you get down to most of them not even there but you get 471 00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:36,390 you get down to number 21 which is the h3 podcast. I was not 472 00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:40,980 familiar with h3 podcast no finally but that finally has 473 00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:44,970 some big numbers and then next to it the next one in line is 474 00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:50,130 number 22 the impulsive with Logan Paul. Now these these two 475 00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:54,450 shows appear to be highly YouTube first is 476 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,450 Oh yeah. Oh, especially Logan Paul. Oh yeah. YouTube first 477 00:29:57,450 --> 00:29:58,500 then podcast. 478 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:03,390 Yeah. And so This makes it they they are YouTubers who are also 479 00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:07,080 podcasting. Yeah, so they've built their audience in YouTube. 480 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,810 These aren't these aren't podcasters that came to YouTube 481 00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:11,550 and just happened to post their content there. 482 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,520 I'm glad you brought this up. Because there's, here's an 483 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,120 example of audio versus video. I always like to give these 484 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,480 examples when I come across them because I like audio. I think 485 00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:25,680 there's a place for video. And lots of people love video, and 486 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,220 I've nothing against video. I don't like doing it. And this is 487 00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:31,800 my personal reason. I think you can do a lot more with audio 488 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:37,230 with sound. It's more. It's more intimate. And the disaffected 489 00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:41,550 podcast which you and I both listen to. Josh, what's his 490 00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:41,910 name? 491 00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:44,370 Slocum, I think? Yeah. 492 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,660 Which is a really funny podcast for a whole bunch of reasons. We 493 00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:53,130 don't necessarily have to go into it. But I had never seen 494 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:56,880 the podcast, I thought it was only audio. In fact, I only 495 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,180 recently did I discovered that I guess it's video because he was 496 00:31:00,180 --> 00:31:02,910 talking about something he was showing. And he always does a 497 00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:06,720 good job of describing what he's showing on screen so that the 498 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,190 listeners can understand. And then you sent me a link to the 499 00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:14,340 video version, because we both thought the opening was was 500 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:22,470 rather stunning. And, and then I saw him and it's like, oh, I 501 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:25,800 didn't quite imagine him like that. And now I'm conflicted. 502 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:33,750 It's like seeing Sam Sethi only the really gay version. I mean, 503 00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:35,700 that's a good way sound. That's nothing to do with you. It's 504 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:40,740 more about Josh. So you know, just like, wow. And then I saw 505 00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:44,910 his studio and I had a whole different idea about it. And 506 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,730 every single time that's, I don't want to say it's a 507 00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:50,910 letdown. But it is not because it's more or less, but it's just 508 00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:54,630 so wildly different from what I had had in mind. And it affects 509 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,270 it affects my my entertainment. My pleasure. 510 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:10,680 That I guess I'm trying this is not a this is not a thing about 511 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,910 a nor an argument about what is a podcast? No, this is not a no 512 00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:19,170 or No, I'm not saying YouTube is not a podcast. And because 513 00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:22,920 podcasts are only shows with RSS feeds. Not what I'm saying. This 514 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,600 is not that argument. This is about what importance the 515 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,130 podcast industry should place on these types of surveys and these 516 00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:37,080 numbers, because nothing is relevant. Well as a tech 517 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,950 support, doing tech support for 27 years. 518 00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:44,730 Any number never had a fight. 519 00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:50,580 And the one thing you find everybody that comes in the that 520 00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:54,540 every employee that I've they've had this worked under me. Day 521 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:57,150 one, I tell them the exact the first thing if they have never 522 00:32:57,150 --> 00:33:02,640 worked in tech support before users lie. That is the number 523 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,820 one thing you have to remember. They do not tell the truth. And 524 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:08,850 it's not because they don't lie willfully on purpose 525 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:11,610 maliciously, they lie because they don't know what they're 526 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:17,070 talking about. And so this when you when a listener says, oh, 527 00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:20,850 yeah, I listen to you. I listen to podcasts on YouTube. They 528 00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:24,060 have no idea what they're telling you. They don't know 529 00:33:24,060 --> 00:33:28,860 what that means. And what because what this looks like to 530 00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:36,480 me. Is that the Yeah, I listen to podcasts on YouTube. It comes 531 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,600 down to a couple of two or three specifically Rogen and color 532 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,210 daddy, previous mega hits that were dominant on YouTube. And 533 00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:53,910 then also a couple of YouTube first kids. Yeah, that's what 534 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:58,050 that's what they mean. Yeah. Now you cannot take that type of 535 00:33:58,050 --> 00:34:03,810 thing. extract it out and apply it to the podcast into to the 536 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,440 customers of blueberry. It doesn't apply, 537 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,850 you know, but you know, I just have to insert my my age old 538 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:15,360 thing. There's no podcast industry. This is all horseshit. 539 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:19,560 Everyone's all jacked about a creator study. Oh man there's 540 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,400 too many men creating podcast is not equitable. What are we going 541 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,290 to do? Let's throw some money at some BLM LGBTQ IP k plus noodle 542 00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:30,990 boys. It'll all be good. Well, 543 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:34,620 that's basically that I don't I don't believe those numbers 544 00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:39,180 either. No source none women podcast and when women are all 545 00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:42,420 over podcasting, there's no way that number can be right. 546 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:49,080 There's there's no way no. I mean, some sometimes you'd have 547 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,740 to believe 548 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:54,180 your dog and remind over my dog. 549 00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:59,130 That's my dog. Number one, my cat I'm 550 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:03,210 muting a mute doing like, what is it? Is that my? My dogs? You 551 00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:05,070 meet your dog? Okay, I'm sorry. 552 00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:09,690 Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes you just have to say, you look 553 00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:12,270 at a thing and you hear some numbers, you're like, I just 554 00:35:12,270 --> 00:35:19,020 can't believe that, that it lacks a certain what do you call 555 00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:28,710 it? Not the one I was thinking, Oh, no. It lacks a, a real world 556 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:32,970 credibility where you look and you say, oh, yeah, I could see 557 00:35:32,970 --> 00:35:36,810 that, or that's a little. That's a little higher than I thought 558 00:35:36,810 --> 00:35:40,680 it would be. But when it comes out, and it's so skewed, I mean, 559 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,300 Todd Cochran had the same exact reaction on the new media show, 560 00:35:45,330 --> 00:35:48,060 you know, this week, he was like, This is not what we see in 561 00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:51,510 blueberry. No, I mean, he's like this dark Raiders. I mean, we're 562 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:52,530 like 5050. 563 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:57,930 And again, it all comes. Okay. I've been around for a while in 564 00:35:57,930 --> 00:36:02,430 the business. None of this matters, because there is no, 565 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:07,110 there's the billion dollars. I mean, there's a billion dollars 566 00:36:07,110 --> 00:36:10,110 going in maybe, and it's going into things, but it's not going 567 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:12,750 into advertising. And not everybody seeing that. And 568 00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:17,430 there's just no industry. It can't it's it's not built that 569 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:22,320 way, the whole idea. I mean, it's, it's so weird that so much 570 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,860 like Bitcoin. It's like you can do whatever you want. But it's 571 00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:29,520 not just not going to change anything. It's just not some 572 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,000 improvements can come. But that's about it. You know, the 573 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,690 core is always going to be the same and it's just not 574 00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:40,560 monetizable. And that's the same book. I'm very excited about 575 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,670 going to Podcast Movement. You and I are doing a 45 we have 576 00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:49,860 been granted a 45 minute talk. Now. I just want to want 577 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:53,220 everyone to know I never did keynotes I refuse to do keynotes 578 00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:55,590 because it's always paid to play. I don't like it. I don't 579 00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:59,070 know, I I'm not slagging anybody, because I don't I'm not 580 00:36:59,070 --> 00:37:03,930 in the conference business. But you know, after Mark, what's his 581 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:09,180 name? Cuban after Cubans appearance and the success last 582 00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:13,140 year to have him back. It's like, okay. But even from the 583 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:16,380 first podcast conference, I was asked to, you know, sponsor it, 584 00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:18,930 like, No, you're in the business, you get your people 585 00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:22,350 in, you know, the value for value. And I said, but I'm not 586 00:37:22,350 --> 00:37:24,960 gonna I'm not gonna do a conference where I have to speak 587 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:29,310 at to pay to speak. So until we have a little bit and I'm, I 588 00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:32,040 love this because I want to be so packed. Because there's only 589 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,650 one thing people go to conferences for really 590 00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:39,390 podcasters creators interested parties. How do I make money? 591 00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:42,450 That's the question. That's what everybody wants answered. And 592 00:37:42,450 --> 00:37:46,800 we're going to answer that. Yeah, I wish I could take JCD 593 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,420 with me. That'd be great. But yeah. 594 00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:51,990 Yeah, he would love Oh, that he's there. He's there with 595 00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:52,410 belzona 596 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,690 convenient. What would happen? I'll tell you exactly. He'd be 597 00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:57,930 in the bar with the hottest chicks all hanging around and 598 00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:01,710 fun. It's I'm telling you, man, he's he's an exam magnate. John 599 00:38:01,710 --> 00:38:07,170 C. Dvorak is a chick magnet. He is He is 600 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,990 I'm telling you funny. Yes. funny because I can kind of 601 00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:10,530 believe it. 602 00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:14,040 Easily. Ya know, he's got a whole vibe, man. Hey, girls. 603 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,950 Like as as having gone to Podcast Movement last year. 604 00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:25,860 There again, I can tell you that. I mean, at least 50% 605 00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:31,230 women. I just me I know. We've moved on. But yeah, again, I 606 00:38:31,230 --> 00:38:34,380 mean, like, I just don't buy that number. Sorry. Just just 607 00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:35,220 don't buy it at all. 608 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,570 I guess. So anyway, yes, we do have a good I don't know you 609 00:38:39,570 --> 00:38:42,840 might have cute might have died by now just with old age since 610 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,320 we've been running this so long. Very happy to have back in the 611 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,500 boardroom here. One of the first developer I think was one of the 612 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,650 first developers along with Martin, I think early on, came 613 00:38:52,650 --> 00:38:56,340 in and started developing for podcasting. 2.0 has been a 614 00:38:56,340 --> 00:39:01,500 driving force behind a lot of what we're doing in particular, 615 00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,400 and I'm very selfish about this because he created first within 616 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:11,040 curio kit caster, but later as an external external application 617 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,920 or a magazine. It feels like an application but of course it's 618 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,450 on his server, sovereign feeds.com Which is what we use 619 00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:22,080 to test all the new features. It is he really is the vendor of 620 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,930 the scissors we run with here at podcasting. 2.0 Ladies and 621 00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:28,980 gentlemen, say hello to scissor vendor Steven Bell. 622 00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:30,900 Hi, guys. How's it going? 623 00:39:30,990 --> 00:39:33,960 Yeah, I'm so sorry to keep you waiting so long. We were just 624 00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:36,630 getting our getting our groove on 625 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:39,300 as are right. 626 00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:46,319 We given the given the nature of the last two or three episodes. 627 00:39:46,709 --> 00:39:49,589 It's it's pretty clear that we can get it there. We know how to 628 00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:50,609 beat a dead horse with 629 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:52,620 real good 630 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,600 hours on it. Yeah. Much to the chagrin of most of the people 631 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,650 listening but thanks by 632 00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:02,190 the way to everybody. Who is listening to this show as we're 633 00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:06,540 lit, the live item tag is going pod verse curio caster, I think 634 00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:09,750 are the two that can handle it right now you get right in there 635 00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:14,100 and you get your chat, your, your live stream, your boost 636 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:17,280 interface. Everything is all in there. And we love it. 637 00:40:17,789 --> 00:40:20,549 Steven, I, you know, I'd reached out to you to get on because you 638 00:40:20,549 --> 00:40:24,629 just we had you on what? A year ago? I guess maybe? 639 00:40:24,929 --> 00:40:27,899 Yeah, I think it was September of last year. 640 00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:31,950 Okay. And you've done like, You've done so much since then. 641 00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:37,620 I mean, you and you and Mitch, just add features like they're, 642 00:40:37,770 --> 00:40:40,620 I mean, just like you pick them off a shelf and just shove them 643 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:42,870 in there. I mean, like this just like one a week almost 644 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,760 like Legos. Oh, and I put this on? 645 00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:51,359 Yeah. But, you know, specifically sovereign themes is 646 00:40:51,809 --> 00:40:56,789 it's becoming a, I mean, it's becoming a real platform. Yeah, 647 00:40:56,819 --> 00:41:01,229 just do you want to just kind of go over what do you have like a 648 00:41:01,229 --> 00:41:04,499 quick overview that you tell people of what sovereign feeds 649 00:41:04,499 --> 00:41:05,159 does? 650 00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:10,350 Yeah. So I've been applying for developer positions. And I'm 651 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:15,870 using that as my, I guess that's my portfolio site. And let them 652 00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:20,190 know that this is for people who are self hosting their own RSS 653 00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:23,970 feeds, and they could put in the majority of the podcasting 2.0 654 00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:29,160 tags, and then host it on their own server. And just so you guys 655 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,980 know, I tried releasing it last night, but I'm having issues 656 00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:37,770 with course. Oh, yeah. Yeah, hey, cores, but I've got it 657 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:42,120 working on my local machine where you can now drag and drop 658 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,740 your files. And as long as you have a Dropbox spaces, you can 659 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:52,140 put your API keys in. And it will upload your mp3 and images 660 00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:56,010 to your Dropbox. Oh, cool, and populate your whole thing. So 661 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:02,190 it's like being in any hosted RSS feed builder, without the 662 00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:04,230 help desk? Yeah, without the help desk. 663 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,960 And I will say, as Stephen, of course, is very humble. But I 664 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,390 did a little I did a little bit of background research. And 665 00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:15,810 Steve and I do see the you have earned the LinkedIn skill badge 666 00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:19,140 for front end development. So I mean, nothing to be downplayed. 667 00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:25,830 Yeah, nobody wants to hire an electrician to be a developer. 668 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:32,190 And I'm on hireable anyway, Steven, I'm right there with ya. 669 00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:36,179 So you are a you're an electrician? By trade, ma'am. 670 00:42:36,330 --> 00:42:40,500 Yeah, I've got my Master's license. And I moved out of the 671 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:44,760 field probably eight years ago. And now I do estimating. We know 672 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,370 how much the job should cost for the guys in the field to do it. 673 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:50,340 I need to ask you this question because I've had a couple of 674 00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:54,510 electricians over here and I I really did not like one I really 675 00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:57,060 liked the other one. I think that the one I liked was on 676 00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:00,720 drugs, which is kind of the cool thing about him. But I've 677 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,320 noticed that with electricians, unlike any other vocation, 678 00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:09,270 especially master your master electrician, I presume. Yeah. If 679 00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:11,970 you even mentioned something about hey man, maybe we can move 680 00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:17,370 the you know, the water pipe or you know this gas line or you 681 00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:21,300 know, not even meaning that the electrician should do it. The 682 00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,570 electrician the master electrician goes Do you see do 683 00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:27,870 you see do you see a plumber anywhere here on my jacket? I 684 00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:33,060 was just say electrician What is this a universal thing you guys 685 00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:34,170 have a stick up your ass? 686 00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:40,020 Yeah, maybe I want to do the other tree eyes work. And hey, 687 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,010 when it comes to the totem pole electricians are on the bottom 688 00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:47,280 because it's easier to move wires than it is to you move 689 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,060 plumbing pipes 690 00:43:48,089 --> 00:43:50,669 so you always have to clean this shit up at the plumbers leave 691 00:43:50,669 --> 00:43:52,619 behind Yeah, 692 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:57,180 so if we go in and the HVAC guy needs to put duct work well, if 693 00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:59,370 our stuffs in the way we got to move it out of the way for him 694 00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:03,180 so you're all so you're always the cleanup guy. 695 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,540 Yeah, we're the we're the low guys on the totem pole Whereas 696 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:10,350 of course an electrician takes great pride in exactly how they 697 00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:14,850 run the wires you know right down to the stripping distance 698 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,490 all that stuff I mean that's the stuff that you guys live for. 699 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,170 Oh yeah, you can you can tell when a good craftsman has done 700 00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:25,650 it because if you look on the switch plates or the receptacle 701 00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:29,370 plates that little screw will be facing vertical 702 00:44:30,059 --> 00:44:35,009 yes I have noticed that Yeah, exactly. Even down to the screws 703 00:44:35,009 --> 00:44:35,489 you're right 704 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,850 down to the screws Yeah, it's a problem for a lot of guys 705 00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:43,200 because we have we have that desire for craftsmanship but you 706 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,960 still need to get the job done and get it profitable for the 707 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,410 owner so that he's got enough to keep this company going. 708 00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:54,420 Well that's it's funny because my dad My dad always said that. 709 00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:57,300 All you need to you need to know to you just need to know two 710 00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:00,780 things to be a plumber. Shit floats and water runs downhill. 711 00:45:02,909 --> 00:45:04,199 And pay days on Thursday. 712 00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:10,290 I feel like like I feel like I, I feel this from you know, I am 713 00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:14,820 a curio caster user I abuse. All all apps except cast 714 00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:19,710 thematically don't have iOS in my life anymore. And I'm using 715 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:21,690 them just to see what new features are coming out. But I 716 00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:25,860 always go back to curio caster, I love the web app. And it's 717 00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:30,780 always evolving. And I wanted to compliment you on how you've 718 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:34,800 translated some of those master electrician screws all up in the 719 00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:38,280 in the vertical position. You've translated that into a lot of 720 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,700 the user experience, all these little things start popping up, 721 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,800 you know, the new tag, the On Air tag, the LIVE TAG, just the 722 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,210 whole experience, I can feel it developing around my my user 723 00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:54,000 experience without really interrupting it. And you really 724 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,200 do a good job on that. 725 00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:58,980 Yeah, I've got two competing things, because I think the RSS 726 00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:05,070 feed, the podcaster is the one who should own that and own what 727 00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:08,640 is being displayed to the listener. That's why I was so 728 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,750 adamant that if we're doing comments, I want the podcaster 729 00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:16,110 to be able to say man that does not match my brand. I don't want 730 00:46:16,110 --> 00:46:20,850 those comments associated with my particular feed. I think 731 00:46:20,850 --> 00:46:24,210 about a pastor who there may be comments that he just doesn't 732 00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:28,110 want his congregation reading. So on one hand, I want the 733 00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:32,280 podcaster to have control. But within the app, the listener is 734 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,490 the one who's primarily using that not the podcaster. So I 735 00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:39,660 want their experience to be as best as I know how to do it. 736 00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,079 Have you actually done that implementation? 737 00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,679 I haven't done. I haven't done anything I've done. 738 00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:48,450 Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah. 739 00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:53,279 Yeah, we're speaking of Rena, we need to move forward with the I 740 00:46:53,279 --> 00:46:57,749 think it's time to just kind of codify polish up. Yeah. And 741 00:46:57,749 --> 00:47:01,109 finalize the social interact tag. I don't think there's 742 00:47:01,109 --> 00:47:06,119 anything else. What we've been talking about as an essay, we 743 00:47:07,709 --> 00:47:11,459 just with John Spurlock and Alex and a lot of people who has had 744 00:47:11,459 --> 00:47:16,949 some input on the social interact tag is that I mean, 745 00:47:16,949 --> 00:47:19,589 it's probably just ready to it's probably ready to go. And if we 746 00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:23,129 want to do some sort of live chat tag, I think it's probably 747 00:47:23,489 --> 00:47:27,779 right at this point to just have that as a separate tag, or, or 748 00:47:27,779 --> 00:47:32,489 maybe a property or some, some other deliver that in some other 749 00:47:32,489 --> 00:47:36,989 way. Because they, in some ways they aren't they in some ways, 750 00:47:36,989 --> 00:47:39,929 they are different. They, they are different things. And in 751 00:47:39,929 --> 00:47:43,589 some ways they aren't. And I guess from just my own personal 752 00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:49,049 perspective, when when you have a thing like that, which is so 753 00:47:49,169 --> 00:47:51,809 so what what I'm talking about is I'm talking about social 754 00:47:51,809 --> 00:47:56,369 media comments, style comments, and then chat. So it's the 755 00:47:56,369 --> 00:47:59,849 difference between something like Twitter or Mastodon would 756 00:47:59,849 --> 00:48:04,919 be social order comments in the chat would be more like Slack. 757 00:48:05,069 --> 00:48:07,619 IRC. Jabber? 758 00:48:08,699 --> 00:48:10,259 XMPP 759 00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:17,700 XMPP Yeah, yeah. Or, or was this not synapse? Was the was the 760 00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:21,330 other big one? The Matrix? Matrix? Yes. Thank you matrix. 761 00:48:22,830 --> 00:48:29,190 So that's, they're, they're kind of the same. But they're also 762 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,990 very, very different feel and used in very different forms. 763 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,260 And so whenever there's just my personal preference, whenever 764 00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:41,040 there is a difference like that, it just seems like it's right to 765 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,260 separate them out. Because we could, we could shoehorn chat 766 00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:49,680 into the social interact tag in some way that I don't I don't 767 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,030 know that it's really necessary. 768 00:48:51,869 --> 00:48:55,499 Yeah, I don't like the idea of going into social interaction. 769 00:48:55,499 --> 00:48:58,949 Social enacts already a complicated tag. And now we're 770 00:48:58,949 --> 00:49:02,339 going to start adding stuff and we had to simplify it because we 771 00:49:02,339 --> 00:49:05,429 had an open to just about anything that anyone could think 772 00:49:05,429 --> 00:49:10,979 of. And I think we simplified it to lightning, Twitter and then 773 00:49:11,099 --> 00:49:11,969 mastodon. 774 00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:14,910 Yes. Activity. Activity. Yeah. 775 00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:17,880 Yep. And I think that they're different enough that it's 776 00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:22,890 easier just to create a whole new tag and do that in. I guess 777 00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:26,040 we're in Phase Five, where we're still introducing new tags, but 778 00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:30,180 I think we've shown enough interest in chat that it should 779 00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:33,300 at least be a tag that's considered gentlemen. I have to 780 00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:33,690 play. 781 00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:40,620 And now it's time for some namespace. That's that's not too 782 00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:42,630 corny. No, no, no, it's 783 00:49:42,629 --> 00:49:47,309 not as bad as the math. The math is out of control. So episode 784 00:49:47,309 --> 00:49:48,359 100. It'll come back 785 00:49:49,530 --> 00:49:50,250 coming up. 786 00:49:50,969 --> 00:49:55,139 But yeah, no, I think that's right. I think the so we'll go 787 00:49:55,139 --> 00:49:58,679 ahead and finalize social interact because there's Yeah, 788 00:49:58,709 --> 00:50:02,429 it's ready to be used me people. floor, people are trying to do 789 00:50:02,429 --> 00:50:07,229 things with it at this point. And so I think it's ready to go 790 00:50:07,259 --> 00:50:10,769 to go ahead and do it. And then we can always modify or add to 791 00:50:10,769 --> 00:50:15,119 and not modify, but add to it later expanded. Are you do you 792 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,899 think you'll? Do you think you'll plug that in once once we 793 00:50:18,899 --> 00:50:20,489 hit once we make it final? 794 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,460 Oh, for sure. I mean, I've already got some sort of 795 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,630 bastardize implementation of chat in the live items. So once 796 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,020 we've got something figured out, I definitely want that within 797 00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:35,130 the feeds. The apps that or I'm sorry, the podcasters that are 798 00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:37,410 using it, it's really important to them. 799 00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:41,700 A bastardized implementation of anything is pretty much its 800 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,640 ship. I mean, that's good. You're good to go ship it. Ship 801 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:51,450 it down. Oh. So let me go back to sovereign feeds for a second. 802 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,380 Sovereign. I think you tried to figure out, even trying to 803 00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:02,250 figure out what's best the best way to do the hosting part like 804 00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:04,290 the actual media files, where they're going to live, where 805 00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:09,180 they're going to be served from? Are you have you ever settled on 806 00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:10,920 Dropbox as your solution? 807 00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:16,320 I have only because it's the one I've looked at. And their API 808 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,280 was easy enough to do. I was looking at Dropbox because it 809 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,450 was free. And I really want to be able to get musicians on 810 00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:27,360 board with something that's easy. And there's not a lot of 811 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,290 buy in, because I don't know that. I don't know that guys 812 00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:34,230 want to spend $12 a month for something that they're going to 813 00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:35,940 get $2 A month initially. 814 00:51:35,969 --> 00:51:41,159 question, Can you hook this up to? The what's the name of that 815 00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:44,429 service? That all the musicians upload to? We talked about him 816 00:51:44,579 --> 00:51:47,729 my bank? That was crosstalk 817 00:51:48,869 --> 00:51:50,039 like Bandcamp is original? 818 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,340 No, not Bandcamp? The other one the that also has RSS feeds. 819 00:51:54,329 --> 00:51:57,599 RSS Feed me a music service. That's Bandcamp. 820 00:51:57,630 --> 00:52:00,390 No, no, no, it's not a music service. SoundCloud, SoundCloud. 821 00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:02,550 Don't they have an API? 822 00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:05,580 I don't know, I'd have to look into that. 823 00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:10,890 The only reason I'm saying is if anywhere that there's an API 824 00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:14,670 that you can offload, like Dropbox is a great one. I'm 825 00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:17,610 saying if you could tap into a couple more of those. I mean, 826 00:52:17,610 --> 00:52:21,720 what? What I almost think there's a, I've always thought 827 00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:24,360 there's a market and I can never understand why no one builds it 828 00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:29,670 on. Who's our favorite Linux host there? Dave? Linode, 829 00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:35,280 Linode. You know, you almost want an a script, that you go on 830 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,460 Linode, you know, boom, set up an instance boom, it's running. 831 00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:41,100 Boom, you've got your storage, boom, you got your Cloudflare. 832 00:52:42,179 --> 00:52:46,259 Yeah, that's, so what Dropbox spaces does is it does that for 833 00:52:46,259 --> 00:52:49,709 you. You're just uploading the files, and you can decide to 834 00:52:49,709 --> 00:52:52,679 serve them through a CDN. So you don't have to set up a separate 835 00:52:52,829 --> 00:52:55,199 wildflower and cool Cloudflare instance, 836 00:52:55,229 --> 00:52:57,929 oh, I didn't realize that. Okay, so they have the API to all 837 00:52:57,929 --> 00:52:59,249 those other things. That's cool. 838 00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:04,290 They do. And it's $5 a month, and you get 250 gigabytes of 839 00:53:04,290 --> 00:53:08,460 storage and one terabyte of bandwidth. 840 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,820 That's about half an hour for the no agenda show. Yeah. 841 00:53:13,289 --> 00:53:16,529 I think the CDN should probably cut down on that quite a bit for 842 00:53:16,529 --> 00:53:18,059 any of those static files. 843 00:53:18,299 --> 00:53:20,549 That's cool, man. Congratulations. What a great 844 00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:21,089 idea. 845 00:53:21,630 --> 00:53:24,540 Yeah, and I figured five bucks a month, and especially if a few 846 00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:27,480 bands decided to get together, because I don't think they're 847 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,570 going to be using the one terabyte for a few three minute 848 00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:35,340 songs, especially this early on, where people just aren't using 849 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:39,120 it yet. And then if it does get popular, they can get they can 850 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,940 increase their bandwidth by paying an extra five bucks for 851 00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:42,930 another terabyte. 852 00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:46,560 Now, how are you? How are you working into this equation with 853 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:47,670 the value for value? 854 00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:54,209 So I've got I've got an ln URL on the front screen that anyone 855 00:53:54,209 --> 00:53:59,699 can scan if they want to donate. And then I've got a button where 856 00:53:59,699 --> 00:54:02,939 when you're putting in the value block, it asks you if you want 857 00:54:02,939 --> 00:54:07,019 to add sovereign feeds to the value block. Yeah, cool. Yeah, 858 00:54:07,019 --> 00:54:11,609 that's what that's what you guys are doing. And then mixer is 859 00:54:11,609 --> 00:54:14,399 doing that. And Mike Newman's doing that, 860 00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:19,590 dude, Mike Newman just boosted us. 100,001 Satoshis. Oh, 861 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,550 that's nice. Yeah. Just yeah, he's a nice guy. And he's super 862 00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:27,390 helpful with with using the product and let me know and you 863 00:54:27,390 --> 00:54:28,620 had a pain point, we might as 864 00:54:28,619 --> 00:54:32,789 well get this one out of the way now, is that added as a fee to 865 00:54:32,789 --> 00:54:36,419 the split meaning, I want to see if we all agree on this, that is 866 00:54:36,449 --> 00:54:40,139 in addition to the to the podcaster split. 867 00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:47,190 So I put it as a fee for 5%. And I can change that within the 868 00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:51,360 program. But what you guys did was you went ahead and manually 869 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,280 added it as a 5% split. 870 00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:56,220 Yeah, we were given it we're giving it to you from our 871 00:54:57,750 --> 00:55:00,600 because you know, its value for value. So we want it to come 872 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:06,240 from us? And I feel that's correct, because we're using you 873 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,120 to create the feed. So we should be taking the hit. 874 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:14,819 So yes, and that's so the All it's doing is inserting me into 875 00:55:14,819 --> 00:55:17,789 the value block that's in the RSS feed, right? 876 00:55:17,819 --> 00:55:21,089 But is that as a split or a fee? It is. So 877 00:55:21,089 --> 00:55:23,699 when you click that button, it goes in as a fee, 878 00:55:24,359 --> 00:55:26,429 which means it would be on top for the listener. 879 00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:30,870 Okay, so that's, that's where I'm getting confused. Because, 880 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:37,290 yeah, the way I understand a fee is, if a listener boost 1000 881 00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:41,010 SATs to the podcaster, they expect 1000 SATs to come out of 882 00:55:41,010 --> 00:55:45,630 their wallet. Now, does the fee come out of that 1000 SATs or 883 00:55:45,630 --> 00:55:49,590 does it get added? Now when it's within the podcasters value 884 00:55:49,590 --> 00:55:54,540 block? I think it should come out of that it should come out 885 00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:58,980 of that 1000 SATs because it's in the podcasters value block. I 886 00:55:58,980 --> 00:56:01,890 agree. And the podcaster has a choice over whether he wants 887 00:56:01,890 --> 00:56:03,150 that to be a fee or not. 888 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:06,900 So Oh, okay. So fee would be comes off the top before the 889 00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:09,420 split is made? Or you're part of the actual split? 890 00:56:09,539 --> 00:56:12,419 Yes. Now we have a different type of fee, which would be an 891 00:56:12,419 --> 00:56:15,869 app fee. Yes. Which the podcaster doesn't have control 892 00:56:15,869 --> 00:56:19,319 over? Right. So the question is, is does the app fee come off the 893 00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:22,889 top? Or does it get added to the amount, 894 00:56:22,949 --> 00:56:26,609 the way I would like it to be is it's added to the amount if it's 895 00:56:26,609 --> 00:56:31,859 an app on the on the users listener side. And I'm 896 00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:35,730 going to so my idea is I'm going to let the listener decide 897 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,180 whether they so as long as they understand when they're boosting 898 00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:45,030 1000 SATs, that that only 950 of it's going to the podcaster. 899 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,510 They're ultimately choosing that because they've chose that 900 00:56:48,510 --> 00:56:51,420 option. But I'm also going to give them the option that they 901 00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:54,990 can add it on top knowing that when they boost 1000 SATs, 902 00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:59,130 they're going to get 1050 taken out that way, whatever mental 903 00:56:59,130 --> 00:57:02,640 model they have of how that should be working, when they 904 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,820 click that boost button is how that works. And they can see the 905 00:57:05,820 --> 00:57:07,080 money coming out of their wallet. 906 00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:10,949 So you're leaving it up to the user? And what is the default 907 00:57:10,949 --> 00:57:14,129 that comes out of the podcasters? Take? Um, 908 00:57:15,929 --> 00:57:23,009 I don't know. I think that would probably be my, my initial 909 00:57:23,009 --> 00:57:27,869 implementation, because it's easier with the logic. But I 910 00:57:27,869 --> 00:57:30,989 don't have a dog in the fight with one way or another. 911 00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:37,620 The without risking getting back into this again this week that 912 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,850 that was the initial, the initial reasoning behind taking 913 00:57:41,850 --> 00:57:46,440 it out of the total, instead of adding it to the top was for 914 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,730 that was purely for the reason of that you don't surprise the 915 00:57:50,730 --> 00:57:54,810 listener when they chose Okay, I'm gonna send 1000 SATs and 916 00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:57,030 then more than that came out of their wallet. And they're like, 917 00:57:57,030 --> 00:58:01,080 whoa, wait a second. You know, where's it going? That was the 918 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,030 original original thinking. So I think that, yeah, I think these 919 00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:10,680 these explorations are just, it's just part of the maturing 920 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,850 process in the market. 921 00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:15,780 Yeah, like I said, I'm building the interface for the listener, 922 00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:20,190 because I want that user experience to be as painless as 923 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:24,030 possible. So I'm thinking for myself when I set the boost to 924 00:58:24,030 --> 00:58:28,710 1000. I don't want to have to do this mental math of okay, I 925 00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:32,400 guess I got I got 1000 SATs left in my wallet, I'm going to drain 926 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,840 the wallet. Now I have to go 950, and then the amount that 927 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,380 goes to the to the podcaster. And then how much is the app 928 00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:43,770 going to take? I just want them to say hey, it's 1000 SATs. 929 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,390 That's how much is coming out of the wallet. Yeah. But I 930 00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:52,260 certainly understand from a podcaster point of view where 931 00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:56,550 yeah, that that's ultimately money that would be going to 932 00:58:56,550 --> 00:58:58,200 them? Yeah. 933 00:59:00,329 --> 00:59:05,489 So I understand why it was set up that way to protect the app 934 00:59:05,489 --> 00:59:08,909 developer, but now the podcaster has no protection. 935 00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:15,810 Yeah, cuz as an app developer, I could say 100%. And people may 936 00:59:15,810 --> 00:59:18,720 not know if they're not checking their transaction history. 937 00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:21,810 Yeah. And I don't think it would be nefarious like that. I don't 938 00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:24,960 expect that to happen. And you know, I've been told by friends 939 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,450 to shut the fuck up and trust the free market. So I'm trying 940 00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:33,390 to do my best here. But, you know, I, for instance, I don't 941 00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:37,530 think you charge this but if I find 5% too much. 942 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,460 Yeah, and I actually I do charge 5% 3% goes to curio caster, I do 943 00:59:44,460 --> 00:59:48,540 1% to the podcast index and 1% to Elon pay. 944 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:55,050 Right. No, I understand. But, you know, I give 5% to Dred 945 00:59:55,050 --> 01:00:00,810 Scott, who does the chapters you know, so I'm just looking at the 946 01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:04,860 value for value because I got a lot of different apps that have 947 01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:09,210 different numbers. So we don't have to get into the argument 948 01:00:09,210 --> 01:00:12,990 again, is I feel like it's I feel just as passionate that I 949 01:00:12,990 --> 01:00:15,750 should be paying out of my podcast or split for for 950 01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:20,880 sovereign feeds that I shouldn't be paying for it out of curio 951 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,140 caster. And the reasoning Well, the listener will be surprised. 952 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,830 That's just not a good UX. You haven't explained it, or I 953 01:00:28,830 --> 01:00:32,580 haven't explained podcasting. 2.0 isn't well understood, or, 954 01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:37,500 or we're back to that very debate, a value for value. 955 01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:41,160 Because you're not actually asking the listener to value 956 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,530 your stuff. You're saying, I've been 957 01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:50,880 thinking about ways that how can this be monetized without me 958 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,680 having to take a cut of of the boost at all. Because I 959 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,920 originally, when I first had this, and it was called a tip 960 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,150 jar, you could do individual boost. And my intention with 961 01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:07,140 that was people could pick curio caster as an individual boost if 962 01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:11,610 they want it to. But also, if they really loved the drum solo 963 01:01:11,610 --> 01:01:14,730 from a band, they can do that. And I've since removed that, 964 01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:18,450 because I don't think that the listeners should be able to 965 01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:23,220 override what the podcaster wants. I agree. I agree. I think 966 01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:27,090 that the booths should go to whatever the is in the value 967 01:01:27,090 --> 01:01:32,310 block. So I'm trying to figure out ways that an app and 968 01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,979 what we've, what we've hit on here is, and I've had time to 969 01:01:37,979 --> 01:01:42,089 think about it from last week, is the actual Crux in the value 970 01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:46,229 for value system. How are you getting people to value you? 971 01:01:47,939 --> 01:01:53,399 Because you're not feeling pain? Or gain necessarily doing it? 972 01:01:53,399 --> 01:02:01,229 No, I'm saying it's like, when when the split comes from the 973 01:02:01,229 --> 01:02:04,709 podcaster, it's the podcaster, who gets less value, and then 974 01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:07,229 has to say, Well, is this worth it to me now, I'm not saying 975 01:02:07,229 --> 01:02:11,609 fight, but just philosophically 5% 50%. And it's all about the 976 01:02:11,609 --> 01:02:15,989 numbers. That's what value for value is. And it feels a bit 977 01:02:15,989 --> 01:02:22,139 like podcasts, our app developers in general, still 978 01:02:22,169 --> 01:02:26,489 don't really want to say, hey, value my app, in and here's the 979 01:02:26,489 --> 01:02:30,719 way you can do it. And this is what I'd like you to do. Which 980 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:34,919 would be voluntarily put, you know, 5%, on top, or whatever 981 01:02:34,919 --> 01:02:38,909 someone feels is, and you may be surprised. Whatever someone 982 01:02:38,909 --> 01:02:41,429 feels is appropriate for the experience they get from the 983 01:02:41,429 --> 01:02:45,749 app, it's still coming. It's invisible to the user, the value 984 01:02:45,749 --> 01:02:47,999 to the app, it's virtually invisible. 985 01:02:48,539 --> 01:02:51,749 Yeah, and I, what I'm leaning towards is just giving them that 986 01:02:51,749 --> 01:02:57,749 option. And they can choose the percentage. I'm also thinking 987 01:02:57,749 --> 01:03:02,129 about ways to how can I do a leaderboard like maybe as a 988 01:03:02,129 --> 01:03:05,549 splash screen, when you first load up, and I've got everything 989 01:03:05,699 --> 01:03:10,439 loading, maybe there's a splash screen that shows the top donors 990 01:03:10,469 --> 01:03:15,629 or it can show a podcaster decides to send a boost message 991 01:03:15,629 --> 01:03:21,089 to curio caster with a link to his podcast, so that he is doing 992 01:03:21,089 --> 01:03:25,109 some sort of advertising, I mean, just like what comic strip 993 01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:29,639 loggers doing within your guys's value segment, there could be a 994 01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,879 value segment as part of the splash screen for the app 995 01:03:32,879 --> 01:03:33,569 itself. 996 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:35,250 I don't think that's a great, 997 01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:40,290 I'm just I'm, and I think we're done. At developers, you're 998 01:03:40,290 --> 01:03:44,850 selling yourself short, if you don't ask people to support the 999 01:03:44,850 --> 01:03:49,290 work you're doing in addition to what they're doing in supporting 1000 01:03:49,290 --> 01:03:53,070 the work of podcasters whether that's, that's I mean, I don't 1001 01:03:53,070 --> 01:03:55,500 care how you do it. But I think you should be a part of the 1002 01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:58,290 streaming sites and the and the booster grams, because that's 1003 01:03:58,290 --> 01:04:04,020 where the money is, just to be frank about it. And I really 1004 01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:07,890 feel that you would be surprised if instead of hiding it, you 1005 01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:11,640 know, because the user, the user will be disappointed, upset and 1006 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,690 angry emails, etc. Then the debate is not even being held 1007 01:04:15,690 --> 01:04:18,750 properly. The debate should be I put this work into this, you 1008 01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:21,450 like this app, you like how it works, I respond to your 1009 01:04:21,450 --> 01:04:25,410 request, I keep developing this thing, I add new features. We go 1010 01:04:25,470 --> 01:04:29,730 on and on and on and on. Is that worth 5%? On top of what you're 1011 01:04:29,730 --> 01:04:33,870 sending? Or is that worth, you know, X amount per month, or 1012 01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:38,550 whatever your methodology is, it's still about to ask, and I'm 1013 01:04:38,550 --> 01:04:43,830 not and I've never considered this. I've only thought of value 1014 01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:47,490 for value, which does not work without the ask if you don't ask 1015 01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:50,910 and you don't have the feedback loop. So your leaderboard is 1016 01:04:50,910 --> 01:04:54,780 part of I think part of the right system. But developers 1017 01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:59,010 have to also under figure out how to ask just like podcasters 1018 01:04:59,430 --> 01:05:02,640 and the reason The reason is you will benefit you will get a 1019 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:03,720 shitload more. 1020 01:05:04,139 --> 01:05:06,509 No, I agree. And I've been thinking about how that can be 1021 01:05:06,509 --> 01:05:09,419 done. Because how many times have you gone on the Wikipedia 1022 01:05:09,419 --> 01:05:13,889 page? And there is the if everybody just donated $5, we'll 1023 01:05:13,889 --> 01:05:14,789 be done with Okay. 1024 01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:18,480 Thank you. This is thank you very much. Welcome to value for 1025 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,930 value, I'll tell you exactly what happens there. Because once 1026 01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:24,930 a year, maybe once every two years, I click that button, 1027 01:05:24,930 --> 01:05:27,780 because I think, you know, I slag them off, it's a piece of 1028 01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:31,200 shit, but I always use it during my live shows, I'll donate to 1029 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,620 them, the total number of value for value donors that you're 1030 01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:39,060 going to get is going to be about 4%. That's it, don't 1031 01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:43,320 expect everyone to do it. And that's not the value for value 1032 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,830 model. Now, why does it work for Wikipedia? Or Wikimedia? Why did 1033 01:05:46,830 --> 01:05:53,160 they raise 35 to $50 million? Because there's 95% of the 1034 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,600 people do nothing. There's 1%, like me who you know, 100 bucks, 1035 01:05:57,630 --> 01:06:01,530 250, or something like that. And then you have someone who come 1036 01:06:01,530 --> 01:06:05,340 in with 10,000 A million. That's how it works. And I can't 1037 01:06:05,340 --> 01:06:11,100 explain why. But like last week, we got now deemed to pay to our 1038 01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:17,040 boost. You know, and that that made our month that literally 1039 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,300 made our month in booster grams. That's how it works. You go and 1040 01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:24,570 there's a gamification element in that, which I hate calling it 1041 01:06:24,570 --> 01:06:27,570 gamification. It's called a recognition, where you thank 1042 01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:31,230 someone for what they did that inspires other people. Now, how 1043 01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:34,020 you do that in software? I'm not exactly sure. I think the 1044 01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:36,930 leaderboards ideas are good. I've seen a lot. I mean, I'm 1045 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,590 always buying a cup of coffee, if that's the only option. And I 1046 01:06:40,590 --> 01:06:44,340 usually buy the cup of coffee and say, Can I give you 50 bucks 1047 01:06:45,210 --> 01:06:46,620 to an open source project? 1048 01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:51,690 Now, have you considered how do you increase that? 4%? Because 1049 01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:53,010 every listen, 1050 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,220 you can't, you can't You don't you don't increase, you don't 1051 01:06:56,220 --> 01:07:03,120 increase the 4%, you increase the value proposition by adding 1052 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:07,500 new features and then saying, Hey, we started off at 1%. But 1053 01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:09,990 now we've done this, this and this, would you consider doing 1054 01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:13,410 3%? Or you know what? Why don't you put in the percentage you 1055 01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:17,070 think this is worth? That's where you need to get to you 1056 01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:21,510 need to get to people being able to do open ended. And at the 1057 01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:25,170 same moment, right, it having a QR code is great, but it's 1058 01:07:25,170 --> 01:07:27,720 separate from the whole functionality. I would have a 1059 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,150 button right there right next to boost. 1060 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,080 Yeah, I've considered doing that in sovereign feeds, where you 1061 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,370 can just look at 1062 01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:37,860 links, you can link them, you can unlink them. And there's all 1063 01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:41,130 kinds of ways that's the creativity you have to have. And 1064 01:07:41,130 --> 01:07:45,300 I, I smell fear. And I don't mean that in a bad way. But it's 1065 01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:47,850 not the fear of not making money. It's the fear of asking, 1066 01:07:48,270 --> 01:07:52,560 How do I I'm so humble here, you know, I don't want you to get 1067 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,520 pissed off because it comes out of the podcasters portion. Now, 1068 01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,550 man, be upfront, just shit is great. But I 1069 01:07:59,550 --> 01:08:02,640 think a lot of developers don't want to annoy their users with 1070 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,520 pop ups and asks and that kind of thing. Because it's become 1071 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:12,240 sort of like, is because become looked down upon to to be that 1072 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,680 way. But at the same time, but I think it's been part of that is 1073 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,030 that it's never been done. And and it's not been honest. So 1074 01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:24,510 there's always been, you know, historically within like Apple's 1075 01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:28,620 ecosystem, it's a rate our app and it would pop up right at the 1076 01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:33,420 worst time, it would be annoying to your user. And it but it was 1077 01:08:33,420 --> 01:08:37,590 all this sort of really roundabout gamification of 1078 01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:41,670 trying to get you to rate the app. So that that would be you 1079 01:08:41,670 --> 01:08:46,530 know, boost their presence more. It's like, I don't want to play 1080 01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:51,540 your game sort of thing. Whereas just coming out and asking and 1081 01:08:51,540 --> 01:08:56,220 saying, Hey, would you mind donating? Cuz we need money? 1082 01:08:56,250 --> 01:08:58,050 Well, I mean, that's just honest. 1083 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,470 I agree with you. And but I'm not talking about pop ups and 1084 01:09:01,470 --> 01:09:06,540 ticklers and reminders. That's bullshit. Now, you get the app 1085 01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:11,490 high set up your wallet. Hey, this takes time I give 1% to 1086 01:09:11,490 --> 01:09:17,880 podcast index, I gave 1% to Elon pay, who works the wallets? 3%. 1087 01:09:18,150 --> 01:09:21,090 Would you like to add that on top of everything? If not, I'm 1088 01:09:21,090 --> 01:09:23,700 gonna put this little button next to the boost button, which 1089 01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:26,340 allows you to give me something when you feel it's appropriate. 1090 01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:29,820 I mean, that's just one idea. Right? But that's not you don't 1091 01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:33,420 need pop ups and ticklers and ads and banners or anything like 1092 01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:36,900 that. That is in fact, the old shitty model that I think most 1093 01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:39,930 people you know, they deal with it and then eventually they 1094 01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:44,580 might wind up paying 295 a month but again, it's like even you 1095 01:09:44,580 --> 01:09:47,940 Dave have complained. How come I can't give you 295 a month to 1096 01:09:47,940 --> 01:09:49,980 some apps. I've heard usually this 1097 01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:52,380 yellow. Let me give you a perfect example of what I did 1098 01:09:52,380 --> 01:09:57,750 this week. In my night, this week, I've been working on 1099 01:09:57,750 --> 01:10:05,430 getting my cron job boosts set up So I have a script that will 1100 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:12,180 directly send from ln CLI with, with the appropriate TLV records 1101 01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:16,770 and everything. So I just a building this, this script where 1102 01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:20,940 I can just put in a podcast on the command line, a podcast ID, 1103 01:10:20,970 --> 01:10:26,010 a feed ID, and then a message and an amount. And it will pull 1104 01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:30,510 all the data pulled the podcast, value blog, it will go through 1105 01:10:30,510 --> 01:10:35,400 all that is where I can just boost a show directly out of the 1106 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,230 API from the command line. And, and then I'll put it in a cron 1107 01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:42,480 job. I think we did we, 1108 01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:45,510 I think we did develop that system on this very show the 1109 01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:49,770 whole idea of a man line forced in a cron job, I love that you 1110 01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:51,450 did that I needed to now. 1111 01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:53,760 Okay, well, I'll give you the script. When I'm done. I'll open 1112 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,330 source and of course, like everything, but the, the thing, 1113 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,710 the reason I did that was, it started it started with with two 1114 01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:06,450 podcasts. And then when my son had his accident, and in my 1115 01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:09,780 podcast listening went way down for a while, because I mean, I'm 1116 01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:13,650 like, uh, you know, I'm like an hour a day, podcast listener 1117 01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:19,440 easily. And the when, when I started really struggling to 1118 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:24,210 find enough time to listen, I started to feel guilty, because 1119 01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:29,460 like one, one show in particular causality by John cIgi. I love 1120 01:11:29,460 --> 01:11:31,890 that show. It's one of my favorite podcasts. But he 1121 01:11:31,890 --> 01:11:35,670 doesn't post very often, he only posts a new show, sometimes once 1122 01:11:35,670 --> 01:11:39,270 a month or less, or even less, because the nature of these 1123 01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:42,870 shows is it takes tons of time to do research. I mean, it's 1124 01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:46,920 just so research heavy. So it's understandable that it takes a 1125 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:52,950 long time. But I don't want to have to wait to it's not about 1126 01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:58,080 the money necessarily. It's about I want him to see the 1127 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,940 boosts come in to motivate him to keep going. And I want him I 1128 01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:06,870 want those to come in on a more regular basis. And so I went and 1129 01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:09,930 looked at the Patreon and I was like, okay, he's got different 1130 01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:14,850 levels of support here. He's got like, a $5 $10 $20 a month, $50 1131 01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:19,260 a month. And then I start back me back figuring Okay, how much 1132 01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:22,680 is that in SATs? And so I'm like, Okay, I want to be a 1133 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,040 silver level producer, which is one of his Patreon level only 1134 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,220 silver level producer, I converted that into SAS, then 1135 01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:32,100 divided it up into four weeks. And I'm like, Okay, I'm going to 1136 01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:35,160 send him that much each week in order to be a silver level 1137 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:40,290 producer. But I'm going to do it more frequently than once a once 1138 01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:45,360 per show or once per month. That way he sees he gets the the 1139 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,140 feedback as a podcaster. And he's like, oh, you know, cool. 1140 01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:52,260 It keeps him motivated to keep going with the show. So then I 1141 01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:56,670 extrapolate that out into other shows like another one is it for 1142 01:12:56,670 --> 01:12:58,950 different reasons. And other ones everything everywhere daily 1143 01:12:58,980 --> 01:13:05,880 by Gary aren't, I want to send him. I love every one of his 1144 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,510 episodes, and I boost them every time I listen to him. But he has 1145 01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:13,620 so much content I can't consume at all, because he's a daily 1146 01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:18,180 podcast. So they're, again, a fault of I'm going to fall back 1147 01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:22,710 to the cronjob boost and boost him on a regular basis. That way 1148 01:13:22,710 --> 01:13:26,160 I can make sure that I'm not losing track. And I'm giving him 1149 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,480 a predictable amount of money. So think some of these, some of 1150 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:31,560 these models. 1151 01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:35,130 We haven't even started to explore Dave, this is something 1152 01:13:35,130 --> 01:13:37,650 that any app could provide. I mean, there's all kinds of 1153 01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:41,010 things to consider. But any app can say, Hey, would you know 1154 01:13:41,010 --> 01:13:43,140 right next to the boost button, would you like to send this 1155 01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:47,730 podcast, X amount per week, per month or whatever, you know, 1156 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,860 automatically? Stuff like that? I 1157 01:13:49,860 --> 01:13:52,920 would love that. Yeah, I would love that. And I think Alex is 1158 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,410 exactly what I was trying to get to is that notion that we 1159 01:13:55,410 --> 01:13:55,860 haven't, 1160 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,650 we haven't even explored it. We haven't explored it. And that's 1161 01:13:58,650 --> 01:14:02,280 also a value for value. It's not real time streaming sexy as 1162 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,010 shit. But okay, you know, we want to do that we do that. 1163 01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:08,610 what Alex said something the other day. He said I don't think 1164 01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:14,040 podcasters have. I don't think podcasters fully understand open 1165 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:19,410 source yet. I think he's right at this. It's very, it's very 1166 01:14:19,410 --> 01:14:22,590 new to the podcast world. And and I'm not saying there's never 1167 01:14:22,590 --> 01:14:23,250 been open source. 1168 01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:27,120 point about this to your right. Yeah, that's yeah, I'm not 1169 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:31,710 saying that. There's never been it. But the really podcasting as 1170 01:14:31,710 --> 01:14:35,820 an industry, you know, whatever that means, has been dominated 1171 01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:41,430 by proprietary closed systems. Very. It went that way early. 1172 01:14:41,670 --> 01:14:44,760 And it's been that way ever since greed. It's a bringing 1173 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,870 open source. Bringing open source and free software, ethos 1174 01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:52,620 and values into the podcast ecosystem is something that 1175 01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:55,260 they're not used to and I think it's there's a there's a 1176 01:14:55,260 --> 01:14:56,940 learning curve that has to happen. 1177 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,300 And from the development standpoint as well, I mean, heli 1178 01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:03,570 pad, which I know you just did an open update, and you're 1179 01:15:03,570 --> 01:15:07,770 working on, you know that next version, that thing is open 1180 01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:12,120 source. It's screaming for features, I mean, just 1181 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,690 screaming, and that what I'm seeing is, you know, poor James 1182 01:15:15,690 --> 01:15:20,010 Cridland is trying to get in there and make stuff cool. We 1183 01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:23,190 have real developers hovering around who could make the heli 1184 01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:28,320 pad, like a Swiss Army knife of podcasting back end. I mean, 1185 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,920 it's unbelievable. I, I want charts, I want stats, I want 1186 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,990 graphs, I want timelines, I want to be able to click on it and 1187 01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:39,810 heavy pad, oh, here's a boost. What moment in the show was that 1188 01:15:39,810 --> 01:15:42,960 boosted all of this stuff? That's all there. There's no 1189 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,930 culture around creating podcasting apps that way in the 1190 01:15:45,930 --> 01:15:48,720 open source, or both? There's no open source culture in 1191 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,260 podcasting, that way that people are saying, Oh, shit, let me and 1192 01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:55,980 also because most developers may not be podcasters. You know, 1193 01:15:55,980 --> 01:15:58,950 they don't know what podcasters want. You You now understand 1194 01:15:59,580 --> 01:16:02,550 that in there's there's a there's this. You know, there's 1195 01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:06,420 always been like, there's been some podcast apps like Katy ease 1196 01:16:06,420 --> 01:16:08,850 AB casts and things like that. And there's been like, podcasts 1197 01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:11,880 generator, there's been the sort of one off projects. But the 1198 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,460 idea Yeah, but you're exactly what you're saying the idea that 1199 01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:19,230 somebody did, you would have open source across the entire 1200 01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:24,060 stack of things. And it's sort of like, you're turning it into 1201 01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:29,010 an open source sort of world. That is just something that I 1202 01:16:29,010 --> 01:16:32,640 don't think anybody has, that it's new, new, let's just say 1203 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,900 heli pad could deliver more exciting, meaningful analytics 1204 01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:43,290 to podcasters than anything Spotify has. momentarily. Yeah, 1205 01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:46,620 it really, really could. It's exciting from a programming 1206 01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:52,080 standpoint, with human interaction, human data that is 1207 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,320 different because of human interaction. It's fantastic 1208 01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:55,950 stuff there. 1209 01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:59,490 Yeah. And then once you put that stuff out into like, 1210 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,620 fucking what is that? Is that is that react? Do you do that and 1211 01:17:01,620 --> 01:17:05,670 react? Yeah, I'll just go do that myself sick and tired of 1212 01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:06,810 waiting for developers? 1213 01:17:07,140 --> 01:17:10,680 The day I do react will be the day that Mitch down, he cries 1214 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:11,610 and it was curious, 1215 01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:16,920 as Steven B put this into into sovereign feeds, man, you know, 1216 01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:18,690 there is there it is. 1217 01:17:20,340 --> 01:17:24,090 Spencer, where they were talking about this on April craft 1218 01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:29,580 because they want features and heli pad. And Spencer was 1219 01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:32,820 mentioning that it's difficult because he doesn't know the code 1220 01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:36,270 base, because I think part of it's in Rust, the whole thing's 1221 01:17:36,270 --> 01:17:39,660 in Rust you Okay, so he said that part of it is he would love 1222 01:17:39,660 --> 01:17:44,250 to get in there. But he is a front end developer. So one of 1223 01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:48,540 the issues with open source is, if you don't know the language 1224 01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:52,320 that libraries written in, now, you've got this whole nother 1225 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,290 thing of learning that language if you want to contribute to it, 1226 01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,410 which is why they were talking about, okay, how can we 1227 01:17:58,410 --> 01:18:02,670 incentivize people know the language to show interest in 1228 01:18:02,670 --> 01:18:07,830 developing it? Because maybe Dred Scott, who he's got money 1229 01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:11,490 to give to everyone, but may not have the time or the coding 1230 01:18:11,490 --> 01:18:15,390 knowledge. So how could he incentivize someone to develop 1231 01:18:15,390 --> 01:18:17,430 this thing? Because he can't do it himself? 1232 01:18:19,620 --> 01:18:23,160 Yeah, I've got well, I've got an idea that that I would like to 1233 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:23,790 discuss. 1234 01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:29,010 Okay, one moment. Board Member Dave Jones has the talking 1235 01:18:29,010 --> 01:18:29,400 stick. 1236 01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:35,130 point of personal privilege. I would like to, I would like for 1237 01:18:35,130 --> 01:18:37,530 us as a board to consider, oh, 1238 01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:38,550 here, here we go. 1239 01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:39,630 This is 1240 01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:43,590 when someone says that this okay, bullshit coming. All 1241 01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:46,470 right. What do you want us to consider as a board? Okay. 1242 01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:49,290 Anytime somebody says as a board, it means I want you all 1243 01:18:49,290 --> 01:18:51,240 to do all the work and I'm just going to come up with the idea. 1244 01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:56,940 Yes. No, no, for real, though. What I think at some point, 1245 01:18:57,510 --> 01:19:03,210 maybe we do a podcasting 2.0 hackathon. I think this is a I 1246 01:19:03,210 --> 01:19:08,070 think this is a legit idea. Like, and so we put out a good 1247 01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:12,660 idea and about have some kind of bounty. And bounty implies that 1248 01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:14,730 we have a certain thing we're wanting to develop. But this is 1249 01:19:14,730 --> 01:19:17,640 more like a hackathon. It's like we put out a prize let's just 1250 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:25,470 say it's 3 million sets. And you say okay, there's 3 million sets 1251 01:19:25,530 --> 01:19:30,810 up for grabs the top like and then everybody who wants to 1252 01:19:30,810 --> 01:19:36,540 participate go and develop something super cool. That has a 1253 01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:40,710 podcast at least one podcasting 2.0 feature to it. And that can 1254 01:19:40,710 --> 01:19:44,310 be either lightning related or podcasting related or all of the 1255 01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:51,360 above and no rules. And then we and then when the when the when 1256 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,390 the hackathon closes, it could go for like, you know, three 1257 01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:57,630 months or something like that. And then when it closes, we 1258 01:19:57,630 --> 01:20:00,480 check out all the projects and and do some press Is this okay, 1259 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,140 two questions. 1260 01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:05,850 One, okay. Hackathons, aren't they supposed to be 48 hours? A 1261 01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:08,280 lot of coffee and pizza? What the hell is this three months 1262 01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:09,030 bull crap. 1263 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,770 Well, when somebody comes in like, with us thinking the extra 1264 01:20:13,770 --> 01:20:17,610 time allotted because people may want to get in on this that 1265 01:20:17,610 --> 01:20:20,790 don't, it takes some time to get up and running in the podcast 1266 01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:24,630 world. Maybe they're not. There hasn't been any podcasting 1267 01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:27,120 hackathons to my knowledge. So we may have people coming in 1268 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,760 from the from the Bitcoin world that don't know crap about 1269 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,690 podcasting. And so 1270 01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:33,930 we're gonna, we're gonna call that's what I like about it. A 1271 01:20:33,930 --> 01:20:38,430 podcasting 2.0 hackathon. I'll go, I'll go get the prize money. 1272 01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:43,290 I'll get something bigger than 3 million SATs. Okay. Yeah, I'll 1273 01:20:43,290 --> 01:20:46,980 see if we can in. It'll probably be anonymous though. 1274 01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:48,990 Right? Why shouldn't this shouldn't the prize being SATs? 1275 01:20:49,020 --> 01:20:51,870 That's got to be in SATs? Yeah, of course. But it should be it 1276 01:20:51,870 --> 01:20:55,950 should be like 10 million or something. You know, something's 1277 01:20:57,150 --> 01:20:59,160 as I said, Knowing hackers if you give them three months, the 1278 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:00,360 last two days will be 95. 1279 01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:06,780 I would like it to be a little shorter than the house calling 1280 01:21:06,780 --> 01:21:07,110 me go 1281 01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:10,920 away and maybe what maybe a month isn't the 1282 01:21:11,190 --> 01:21:14,490 timeline to be determined. Are we are we the jury? 1283 01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:18,240 The show is the jury at the board meeting is the jury 1284 01:21:19,710 --> 01:21:24,480 sketchy okay yes yeah, no. I don't want I don't want people 1285 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,300 to get mad at us if we say well this is what we think is the 1286 01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:30,030 winner or do we have multiple well we can work it out. Great 1287 01:21:30,030 --> 01:21:30,420 idea 1288 01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:33,060 board is the board meeting is as a whole not just the two of us 1289 01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:35,850 will bring in some though. Bring an expert will bring Steven B 1290 01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:37,680 and bring bring some experts in. 1291 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:39,750 Oh, man, guys, 1292 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:43,620 have you guys been on Instructables, Instructables? 1293 01:21:43,980 --> 01:21:49,320 Yes. The website that shows you you can basically say I'm going 1294 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,530 to show you how to make a water bottle rocket and then you know, 1295 01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:55,200 yeah, yeah. And then you show that step by step. They have 1296 01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,830 tons of contest on it, they have woodworking contest or concrete 1297 01:21:58,830 --> 01:22:03,750 contest or turning trash into treasure contest. And basically 1298 01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:07,380 everybody submits their instructable and then you may 1299 01:22:07,380 --> 01:22:10,440 have very similar things but they pick the grand prize winner 1300 01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:13,740 and a second place and third place. And now we've got several 1301 01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:18,210 projects that may be similar but now you've also got in this 1302 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,470 ecosystem, different options for different people because maybe 1303 01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:24,990 someone doesn't like Halle pad maybe they want a different 1304 01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:28,770 thing. And just like we have different podcast apps, why 1305 01:22:28,770 --> 01:22:32,160 can't we have different booster gram display apps and we're 1306 01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,710 gonna do a really big I don't know squad cast, zoom or 1307 01:22:37,710 --> 01:22:40,320 something. And we'll just keep we'll just keep streaming live 1308 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,750 and checking in with with each development team 1309 01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:48,930 24 724 hours a day stream? Yeah, exactly. No, I liked it. I liked 1310 01:22:48,930 --> 01:22:52,200 the idea of throwing, taking all the projects, put them together 1311 01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,500 in a repo and then throwing it out there to to the to the 1312 01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:58,200 community to say okay, now everybody vote or something. 1313 01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,340 We should get podcast creators involved in this. 1314 01:23:03,060 --> 01:23:03,960 Yeah, yeah. 1315 01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:06,480 That's the piece that's that's always missing. Well, I know 1316 01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:08,190 what I want for Christmas. 1317 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,820 Maybe we throw it over to the Jupiter Branca to Chris Fisher 1318 01:23:11,850 --> 01:23:12,120 and his 1319 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,520 There you go. Oh, there 1320 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,430 you go. There podcasters in there and they do 1321 01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:20,670 on they understand. I don't know if they're coders necessarily. 1322 01:23:21,150 --> 01:23:24,330 Maybe I'll ping up. I'll ping Chris and see what he see what 1323 01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,640 he's taking on. Maybe we can put something together. Really fun. 1324 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:26,850 And 1325 01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:30,270 Deb's over at Spotify and Apple you're welcome to everyone's 1326 01:23:30,270 --> 01:23:31,800 welcome to come in. Oh, yeah. 1327 01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:33,270 Yeah. Yeah, no yen, 1328 01:23:33,420 --> 01:23:37,950 which by the way is the escape hatch for Spotify. And Mr. Eck? 1329 01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:44,250 Podcasting 2.0 Go forward, go go deep, baby. Go all the way 1330 01:23:44,430 --> 01:23:47,790 balls to the wall, in your walls, and everybody's welcome. 1331 01:23:47,909 --> 01:23:52,169 Everybody's welcome. Go forward, boom. You know, we'll cut you in 1332 01:23:52,259 --> 01:23:55,739 you take how many whatever split you want. Do whatever you want. 1333 01:23:55,739 --> 01:24:02,369 I won't promote you if you take it from my cut, but okay. So I 1334 01:24:02,369 --> 01:24:05,249 want to congratulate comics for blogger for being the first 1335 01:24:05,249 --> 01:24:06,209 space booster 1336 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,690 was that the one that was the one Yeah, 1337 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,190 I we had spectrum go down here and I just got my star link and 1338 01:24:14,190 --> 01:24:17,880 so my node was down for a few hours. I didn't even realize it 1339 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,770 because I was messing around with the star link which worked 1340 01:24:19,770 --> 01:24:24,030 fine. And then comics your blogger pops up. I have all 1341 01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:27,600 green Bhagwan has not got this, how it is how he talks usually 1342 01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:33,570 when he's talking to me. And so which means Oh, something a 1343 01:24:33,570 --> 01:24:38,340 notice failing and of course and I I'm maintainer of the liquid, 1344 01:24:38,610 --> 01:24:44,850 Chief liquidity officer, clo clo and I was like, oh, okay, oh, my 1345 01:24:44,850 --> 01:24:50,190 note is down crap. Okay. So I hook it up to the to the Wi Fi 1346 01:24:50,190 --> 01:24:54,750 for the Starlink and he boosted again and it came through. Now 1347 01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:58,200 it takes a little longer as we discussed earlier when he's 1348 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,410 doing tour and all kinds of other stuff. Oberstar link, but 1349 01:25:01,410 --> 01:25:04,620 it worked. So that was the first official space boost. 1350 01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:08,580 That's cool. Hey, did you guys know that? This Thursday the 1351 01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:12,570 seventh is when the first booster gram was sent? No, I 1352 01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:15,390 didn't know that who sent the first grams are still less than 1353 01:25:15,390 --> 01:25:19,080 a year old who sent the first booster gram. I sent it to Dave 1354 01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,500 because back when Oh, that's right jar. Yes. Yeah, they were 1355 01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:25,200 called. It's called a message boost. And then we were trying 1356 01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,020 to figure out whose name was payment messages or 1357 01:25:29,010 --> 01:25:32,160 a message boost. Oh, how far we've come in such a short 1358 01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,040 amount of time. We've granted that a year Can you believe 1359 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:35,370 that? 1360 01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:39,540 Congratulations to match on the player in bed for pod verse. I 1361 01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:42,690 just saw that. I want to make sure I promote that because I 1362 01:25:42,690 --> 01:25:46,200 love those things. I love those little widgets you can put on 1363 01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:47,760 your page and we'll be using that. 1364 01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:53,880 What was that the July 7, he said was the anniversary of the 1365 01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:54,510 first boost? 1366 01:25:54,780 --> 01:25:57,330 Yeah, you're going back into the database. 1367 01:25:58,169 --> 01:25:59,939 Yeah, I was gonna see if I can find it. Here's what I'm gonna 1368 01:25:59,939 --> 01:26:02,159 do. I'm gonna find it. I'm going to turn it into an NST 1369 01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:10,950 Yeah, not you're talking. I'm gonna do a couple of our if you 1370 01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:13,890 guys don't mind, I just think a couple of the live boosters that 1371 01:26:13,890 --> 01:26:16,470 we've had throughout your show people who've probably heard the 1372 01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,550 sound popping through those that are that have a message. Tim 1373 01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:23,730 apple 10,000 SATs Happy Fourth of July weekend. Thank you Tim. 1374 01:26:23,730 --> 01:26:28,050 Mike Newman. There he is. 100,001 Satoshis. And his 1375 01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:31,560 booster gram this picture of JCD at Podcast Movement make this 1376 01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,670 happen. Yeah. I'd love to That'll be the day Yeah, right. 1377 01:26:35,670 --> 01:26:41,040 I can't get them on the plane. Blueberry 3333 h three h three. 1378 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:45,000 Hey, he described in their own words and seven seconds. Oh, he 1379 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,560 has some. Here's a link to a sound file. Okay, why not? Why 1380 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,250 not go boys risky. Send me send me a dot exe man. Don't be a 1381 01:26:53,250 --> 01:26:53,790 pussy. 1382 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:56,790 A VB scripts. Yeah, 1383 01:26:56,820 --> 01:26:59,430 that's VB script homeless. Let's see what do you sent in? Hold on 1384 01:26:59,430 --> 01:27:03,570 a second. I'll save this. It's risky because you don't know 1385 01:27:03,570 --> 01:27:05,070 what it could be. But we'll find 1386 01:27:05,070 --> 01:27:08,340 out. He's like this whole governmental body was scientists 1387 01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:11,010 and shit. They just tell us what to do. You don't have to think 1388 01:27:11,010 --> 01:27:11,370 about it. 1389 01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:15,990 Okay, completely uncompressed incomprehensible for the show. 1390 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:25,650 No, no, appreciate it. 2222 from Macintosh go podcasting. And 1391 01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:31,080 there we have another 101,000 100,001 Satoshis from 1392 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:39,120 Nike Mike Newman bringing his total today to 200,002 SATs we 1393 01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,310 roll that out for him Do we I think we roll it out for him 1394 01:27:41,310 --> 01:27:41,520 don't 1395 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,570 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Sakala 20 is bleh 1396 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,320 on am Paula is boosted gram live boosting is lit boost like 1397 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,680 immediate people big thanks for the team PC two Oh from an 1398 01:27:52,740 --> 01:27:55,500 apprentice level podcasts are out here Special thanks to 1399 01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:59,190 Steven B. For his fearless running with sovereign feed says 1400 01:27:59,190 --> 01:28:01,680 there's gold podcast podcast Say 1401 01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:09,660 amen to that. Thanks Mike. Mike Mike is not exact he's not full 1402 01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:14,670 like three will motion on the in the in the Impala like you know 1403 01:28:14,700 --> 01:28:17,880 like Peter. But he's got he's got curved feelers. He's got the 1404 01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:21,810 he's got a little shiny bumper. He sees these Jason it up. Yeah, 1405 01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,760 definitely. Another 20 to 22 Row ducks from blueberry. We got 1406 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,030 Carolyn, I'm sorry. And blueberry said insert boost 1407 01:28:30,030 --> 01:28:40,170 here. Okay. Carolyn 7777 striper boost. I saw I saw some live 1408 01:28:40,170 --> 01:28:42,810 music last weekend for the first time in years now the musician 1409 01:28:42,810 --> 01:28:46,200 was just singing and playing guitar next to him was a jar 1410 01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,680 that said tips. And of course, all I could think of were SATs 1411 01:28:49,890 --> 01:28:53,040 could live music 2.0 be a thing. Happy Independence Day from 1412 01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,390 Scandinavia. Happy Canada Day. Yes, of course. Of course. I 1413 01:28:57,390 --> 01:29:00,720 think that's I think that's exactly where everyone needs to 1414 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,160 go. If you want to 1415 01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,550 ask she's got a QR code on a piece of paper in the tip jar. 1416 01:29:06,090 --> 01:29:07,470 There you go. There's an idea, 1417 01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:08,790 a lightning invoice. 1418 01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:14,370 I wanted to work on an app where the QR code is up on the screen 1419 01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:18,000 behind the band. And they should just scan that from your phone. 1420 01:29:18,030 --> 01:29:20,160 So instead of having your lighter up, you got your phone 1421 01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:20,910 and then you're streaming. 1422 01:29:20,940 --> 01:29:23,640 Oh, that's cool. Nice. I like that. 1423 01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:27,810 No, it's a cool idea. So then make the app when you scan the 1424 01:29:27,810 --> 01:29:31,080 QR code, make the payments and it flashes the flashlight and 1425 01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,030 turns the screen all kinds of colors. 1426 01:29:33,570 --> 01:29:37,080 Oh yeah. And your booster grams show? Yeah, now you're talking 1427 01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,620 when the audience can read it. Another way you can help the 1428 01:29:40,620 --> 01:29:44,040 band develop the place the next song whoever like whatever song 1429 01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,400 gets the most votes. Just the next one the band plays. 1430 01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:52,920 I've never been a fan of those things. In a live situation. 1431 01:29:54,210 --> 01:29:57,900 It's mostly because most bands can't play all of their songs. 1432 01:29:58,500 --> 01:30:01,890 There you go. Dude, I can't play that order and I was like, I 1433 01:30:01,890 --> 01:30:03,360 gotta change guitars. 1434 01:30:03,870 --> 01:30:08,040 I bet they practice the set as as it's going to be in the show. 1435 01:30:08,190 --> 01:30:12,450 Oh for sure. 100% Yeah, like comedians, it looks like they're 1436 01:30:12,450 --> 01:30:14,130 off the cuff but it's all scripted. What 1437 01:30:14,130 --> 01:30:18,840 do you think I'm we're reading a script here. I mean 42,000 SATs 1438 01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:27,300 from Boober a scissor lift he says will scissor you lift? 1439 01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:31,440 There you go. That's the one just came in as we were talking. 1440 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:39,900 Oh, hello. 100,001 Satoshis from Dara no. Whoa, near and I 1441 01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:44,340 podcast therefore I am another VIG for unrelenting planet rage 1442 01:30:44,340 --> 01:30:47,550 random thoughts grumpy old Ben's on the rock'n'roll pre show. 1443 01:30:47,550 --> 01:30:51,510 Yeah, I talk a lot. Thank you for your courage. And he and I 1444 01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:56,010 think they're all 2.0 he you know the rock'n'roll pre show is 1445 01:30:56,010 --> 01:30:59,370 that he solicits booster grams and doesn't live on the air 1446 01:30:59,370 --> 01:31:02,070 during the show. I mean, this is this is a real thing we got 1447 01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:02,850 going on here. 1448 01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:07,980 That he's fully live every every time before the show. 1449 01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:10,140 On Thursdays Yep. 1450 01:31:11,940 --> 01:31:16,830 Yep. We got Are you done? Are you done? 1451 01:31:17,129 --> 01:31:18,569 Yeah, that was alive. I guess. Yeah. 1452 01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:24,630 We got some papers we get Oscar and the boys at fountain $200 1453 01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:30,360 Whoa. Thank you. But it's uh, thank you guys. 1454 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,630 Yeah, we appreciate that very much. That's a that's a 1455 01:31:33,630 --> 01:31:35,040 subscription. They do that monthly. 1456 01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:37,320 I love it very much. Appreciate. Thank you very much. 1457 01:31:38,460 --> 01:31:44,250 We got a $75 single one time donation from Boston venture 1458 01:31:44,250 --> 01:31:49,110 studio. I don't know who that is. And there was no note that 1459 01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:51,420 we're we appreciate it. Thank you very much. 1460 01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:54,960 Boston venture studio wonder if that name rings a bell. Maybe 1461 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,570 our buddy Michael. Will used to be in Boston? 1462 01:31:59,130 --> 01:32:03,810 Man, I don't know. We'll see. I don't know. That's it doesn't 1463 01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:04,290 matter. We 1464 01:32:04,290 --> 01:32:05,220 love you no matter what. 1465 01:32:05,610 --> 01:32:07,590 It's like inky tail. That's the front. That's the front 1466 01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:08,640 organization for 1467 01:32:09,930 --> 01:32:12,630 what was it called Boston. For Boston. 1468 01:32:12,660 --> 01:32:20,910 Boston venture studio. Yes. spook spook out. Bradley 1469 01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:26,070 chambers. He is did a new subscription for $5 a month and 1470 01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:30,000 we thank you, Bradley. Appreciate that. We also 1471 01:32:30,030 --> 01:32:33,060 Bradley, you know, he wrote an article about us and about 1472 01:32:33,090 --> 01:32:34,950 podcasting. 2.0 and 95. Mac. 1473 01:32:34,980 --> 01:32:38,280 Yeah, that's that's that was a great article. Really appreciate 1474 01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,760 it. Yeah, for sure thing it really, you know, and he caught 1475 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,790 he put up and I think it's important for nine to five Mac 1476 01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:46,920 to say, Hey, Apple, you should pay attention to this. 1477 01:32:47,550 --> 01:32:50,820 Yeah, it made a lot of sense. And he and I really appreciated 1478 01:32:50,820 --> 01:32:54,510 the way he went about it. He he didn't pre write an article, 1479 01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,950 like and then ask for our comment. Yeah, he he asked for 1480 01:32:58,980 --> 01:33:02,520 information up front and then and communicated with us and 1481 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:07,980 then wrote an article. You know, with that in mind, it's I don't 1482 01:33:07,980 --> 01:33:09,660 know. It was just a good experience. Yeah. 1483 01:33:10,740 --> 01:33:14,280 Yes. As journalism goes, That was a very good experience. Yes. 1484 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,280 Yes. It's always good to have the activist on your side of the 1485 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:17,730 camp. 1486 01:33:18,990 --> 01:33:22,020 We've got that's Pay Pal. We got some histograms. 1487 01:33:22,050 --> 01:33:24,240 All right. Posties let's go everybody. Hey 1488 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,550 Carolyn 3333 sets through fountain he says looking out at 1489 01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:36,720 the lake listening to podcasting. 2.0 booths is your 1490 01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,450 lake Lake booth looking at the lake right now. That would be 1491 01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:44,460 nice. Net Ned 3333 through fountain and he just says 1492 01:33:44,460 --> 01:33:44,940 thanks. 1493 01:33:44,970 --> 01:33:50,130 You're welcome. Thank you. How you doing booster. Roy 1494 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:57,750 Roche on sale 54,321 cents nicely breeze? And he says trust 1495 01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:58,680 the free market. Adam. 1496 01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,990 Yes. I recall reading that somewhere. I saw that comment. 1497 01:34:04,020 --> 01:34:07,110 We know when I saw that came in is when I sent you a note I said 1498 01:34:07,290 --> 01:34:11,520 dude, are you getting the the 2.0 booster grams at home on 1499 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,450 your umbrella? You like no tall man. You gotta have these. I put 1500 01:34:15,450 --> 01:34:21,120 the sage stay safe node. Stay safe in the in the splits. And 1501 01:34:21,450 --> 01:34:24,300 that is not your name. Your notes called stay safe. Yeah, 1502 01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,270 yes. Right. And have you been watching on helipad? 1503 01:34:27,900 --> 01:34:33,000 I have been. I've I've been. I've been noticing. Mostly how 1504 01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,090 long it takes hell a pad to open and I don't know why. 1505 01:34:36,660 --> 01:34:40,950 It's that. That first open? It takes a long time. Well, you 1506 01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:43,590 know, when you start getting a lot of SATs, 1507 01:34:44,580 --> 01:34:50,550 it slows down. Yeah. Well, maybe lnd Point. Point 15 will fix all 1508 01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:53,610 that for everybody. It'll be great because it's just gonna 1509 01:34:53,670 --> 01:35:00,510 shrink the database. Terrifying. Oscar marry 15 hasn't sat 1510 01:35:00,510 --> 01:35:01,590 through fountain of course. 1511 01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,750 Very nice. Thank you very many. And 1512 01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:06,600 we have we have a lot at least booster clubs here that didn't 1513 01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,650 mention our discussion from last week. Obviously, it was a bit a 1514 01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,070 lot of people had thoughts about that. So, Oscar says for non 1515 01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:18,630 premium users fountain as a 5% fee on top of the splits, we do 1516 01:35:18,630 --> 01:35:21,810 this to preserve the numerology of the boosts. So if you send 1517 01:35:21,810 --> 01:35:25,710 1000 Set 100 sets 100 sets will go to whatever is in the splits 1518 01:35:25,710 --> 01:35:28,920 and then we add an extra five sets for the fee that is shown 1519 01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,890 in the transaction history as visually distinct from the 1520 01:35:31,890 --> 01:35:36,240 splits along with a prompt to premium God casters using our 1521 01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,110 podcast or wallet, we also charge a one to 4% fee, which 1522 01:35:40,110 --> 01:35:47,640 will appear in the split as it's on the podcaster side. Excellent 1523 01:35:48,030 --> 01:35:48,600 transaction 1524 01:35:48,780 --> 01:35:52,710 that's transparent and nice new and I would still say Oscar 1525 01:35:52,710 --> 01:35:55,800 consider opening that up letting people add more to your fee. 1526 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,290 Yeah, 100% Yeah, for sure. 1527 01:35:58,380 --> 01:36:01,920 Let them let them add whatever they want. Maybe a fixed amount 1528 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,500 instead of a percentage, whatever, whatever you want to 1529 01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:07,200 add a button with it with a monthly subscription. There's a 1530 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,590 million things that can be done, but I really liked that. That 1531 01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:11,610 sounds pretty fair to me. 1532 01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:20,220 That's Dave Jones. Life lesson or life motto number 36. Never 1533 01:36:20,220 --> 01:36:27,600 stop people from giving you more money. Yes. 55,555 says To cast 1534 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,400 a magic boost regarding fees and boosting. I think the numerology 1535 01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,100 is extremely important and might be getting lost somewhere for 1536 01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:37,890 some podcasters. For instance, when I listened to the 1537 01:36:37,890 --> 01:36:41,010 everything everywhere daily podcast, the boost amounts their 1538 01:36:41,010 --> 01:36:44,640 reading are clearly after the fees, not the originally boosted 1539 01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,370 amounts. Sure what needs to be fixed here? 1540 01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:51,210 Well, it depends on what they're using. What are they using to 1541 01:36:51,210 --> 01:36:54,600 get those amounts because the TLV record Shen's sends the 1542 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,340 total sets, that's what helipad does. So even though we get we 1543 01:36:59,340 --> 01:37:04,680 do not receive 100,001 Satoshis that's the number what goes into 1544 01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:09,990 the wallet is different than what's displayed. So I wonder 1545 01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:12,930 what they're using as as a booster Graham reader. 1546 01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:19,320 Okay, he says, service is hella patches, full amount, Satoshi 1547 01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,310 stream nothing does not. Ah, so maybe Satoshi stream these Penny 1548 01:37:23,310 --> 01:37:23,790 memo 1549 01:37:23,790 --> 01:37:26,520 memo Satoshi stream? Yep. 1550 01:37:28,890 --> 01:37:33,630 Let's see hard hat. Sorry. Sin is 22,222 long row of ducks the 1551 01:37:33,630 --> 01:37:40,890 curio caster? Yes. I happen to know the developer of curio 1552 01:37:40,890 --> 01:37:43,710 caster personally. Yeah, he's a good guy. 1553 01:37:44,190 --> 01:37:47,010 He is He's great. He's all right. He's a Texan. We like 1554 01:37:47,010 --> 01:37:47,130 him. 1555 01:37:47,370 --> 01:37:50,760 He's breakfast for lunch. So it's even he's top notch fella 1556 01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:54,750 fried eggs and bacon. defending myself, I have no problem paying 1557 01:37:54,750 --> 01:37:58,980 for apps. And I do pay for apps. My main issue is fees hiding 1558 01:37:58,980 --> 01:38:01,380 under a value for value umbrella, when they aren't 1559 01:38:01,380 --> 01:38:04,470 really value for value. The app can make their own value for 1560 01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:08,220 value pitch to the users. How much how much do you want our 1561 01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:11,940 cut to be kind of thing? If the fees are set by the app? How is 1562 01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:14,760 that value for value? That's my issue. That's a good point. 1563 01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:19,380 I think that's exactly what I'm saying. He's saying exactly what 1564 01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:25,830 I'm saying. He says if you will and I'm adding to that. Fear not 1565 01:38:26,190 --> 01:38:31,470 my developing friends. When you ask thou shall be rewarded with 1566 01:38:31,470 --> 01:38:36,690 many trinkets of goodness ancient proverb it is an ancient 1567 01:38:36,690 --> 01:38:40,560 podcasting proverb and it just works I can't explain it it 1568 01:38:40,590 --> 01:38:45,150 evens out. And Dave Have I not told you this and have you not 1569 01:38:45,150 --> 01:38:50,190 seen this come true in the past two years? Yeah, for sure. Okay, 1570 01:38:50,220 --> 01:38:53,430 I want a little more like oh yeah, you know, really I was 1571 01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:55,710 skeptical and then my eyes have been 1572 01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:03,720 opened my eyes I was I was knocked off my horse by the 1573 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:04,110 light. 1574 01:39:04,530 --> 01:39:07,110 Okay, good. That at least we're clear on that. 1575 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:16,680 BK H MTV Okay, BK GMTV through fountain and he said he said his 1576 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:22,050 four for 20 sets haha yeah, he says 5 million sets boost holy. 1577 01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:25,170 Exactly. was a 1578 01:39:25,170 --> 01:39:29,430 fire and a face. I've got my emoticons working now. 1579 01:39:29,490 --> 01:39:31,830 And you know, I've been trying to balance our Ellen pay 1580 01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:35,250 channel, which is really difficult because we have like 1581 01:39:35,250 --> 01:39:40,350 seven and a half million SATs on our side. And it was a two and a 1582 01:39:40,350 --> 01:39:44,340 half million on on the incoming. So if someone wants to do a pay 1583 01:39:44,340 --> 01:39:47,280 to our booster wouldn't even work necessarily. We have lots 1584 01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:51,150 of other incoming liquidity but I don't know if an amp if an amp 1585 01:39:51,630 --> 01:39:52,980 payment would work or not. 1586 01:39:53,550 --> 01:39:57,150 It was total like you're just like throwing a message in a 1587 01:39:57,150 --> 01:39:59,970 bottle into the ocean and hoping somebody comes to rescue you 1588 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,700 Yeah, I mean, we have all the liquidity incoming but not 1589 01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:05,730 necessarily through Ellen pay. So I don't know if LNP looks for 1590 01:40:05,730 --> 01:40:08,400 alternate routes, so they split it up or is it all was straight 1591 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:09,330 through one channel? 1592 01:40:11,969 --> 01:40:20,879 shirts? Yeah, undefined. Yeah. At dude, send us 10,000 SAS 1593 01:40:20,879 --> 01:40:23,309 through fountaining. He says apps should be able to charge 1594 01:40:23,309 --> 01:40:26,459 any fee they want. As long as it's advertised. Dave is 1595 01:40:26,459 --> 01:40:31,979 correct. In stating that it will be self correcting. There you 1596 01:40:31,979 --> 01:40:32,189 go. 1597 01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:38,430 Okay. We don't have to get into the argument again. 1598 01:40:38,970 --> 01:40:41,670 That's fine. No, no, I don't want to get into I 1599 01:40:41,670 --> 01:40:44,730 don't want to I'm sorry. I think I think I've made I've beaten 1600 01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:46,710 the horse into a pulp. 1601 01:40:47,460 --> 01:40:56,100 No, I think that it's a learning process. Yeah. There's a lot of 1602 01:40:56,100 --> 01:41:00,240 stuff. This is all very, very new. I mean, it's one thing to 1603 01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:06,870 say apps. It's one thing to say apps shouldn't be sold for a 1604 01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:11,070 specific price. It's another thing to say. Okay. Yeah, but 1605 01:41:11,070 --> 01:41:15,360 what does that look like? They go. Right. Sure. Sure. And that 1606 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,760 is what what we are trying to figure out and I am, I don't 1607 01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:24,630 want to, I don't want to act as if I don't want people to, to 1608 01:41:24,630 --> 01:41:29,760 hear this as if, as if I am advocating for necessarily for 1609 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,030 one specific thing. I just speaking for myself, personally, 1610 01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,690 I'm trying to advocate like, I just learned something a while 1611 01:41:36,690 --> 01:41:42,330 ago, this, this idea Harv had his idea that they should that 1612 01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:47,430 the app should make a pitch and then let us have like a slider 1613 01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:50,940 or something to do your own percentage. Yeah. I never 1614 01:41:50,940 --> 01:41:53,520 thought about it that way. Like maybe I should have thought 1615 01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,910 about it that way. Maybe you've explained it in ways and other 1616 01:41:56,910 --> 01:41:59,310 people have explained it. And I've been sick headed and missed 1617 01:41:59,310 --> 01:42:05,400 it. Yes. But some? Yes. Okay. 1618 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,880 No, no, but I readily admitting it. No, but I'm, I'm with you. 1619 01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,550 And here's here's I tried to explain that. Here's the part I 1620 01:42:11,550 --> 01:42:15,540 messed up. I never considered how the Ask works for a 1621 01:42:15,540 --> 01:42:20,400 developer. Yeah, that was that was Yeah. And so and it just 1622 01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:25,260 dawned on me in this past week, like, oh, okay, of course, you 1623 01:42:25,260 --> 01:42:28,320 know, developers. First of all, you're beaten down and you've 1624 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:34,650 been abused by Silicon Valley into 99 cents or do some ads or 1625 01:42:34,650 --> 01:42:37,860 whatever, you've been browbeaten, you really have very 1626 01:42:37,860 --> 01:42:42,150 little chance of success. Where's the value for value 1627 01:42:42,150 --> 01:42:48,240 model for it? I'm sure of it. Every bone in my body says, you 1628 01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,580 know, that's content to you know, it's just packaged 1629 01:42:50,580 --> 01:42:55,320 differently. And when you ask someone and explain which you 1630 01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,550 have to do in podcasting, to they will step to step up to the 1631 01:42:59,550 --> 01:43:04,530 plate. The question is, how does that manifest itself in in 1632 01:43:04,530 --> 01:43:07,890 software, how does that work? And how do you how do you 1633 01:43:08,010 --> 01:43:11,280 without, you know, falling into the traps of ticklers and pop 1634 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:17,910 ups and fold overs and whatever? You know, so and how do you make 1635 01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:21,510 that because I guarantee you just like a small podcast 1636 01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:26,280 audience can support one podcast. It works you know, 1637 01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:31,290 there's Look at this. This is this podcast is really the 1638 01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:35,910 conduit to support the entire podcast index.org You're soaking 1639 01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:36,780 in it, Mabel. 1640 01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:41,370 Nobody's gonna get that reference. 1641 01:43:41,580 --> 01:43:44,820 No, it's not even Mabel. Who was it from Palmolive. 1642 01:43:45,210 --> 01:43:46,890 I don't remember there's a match, 1643 01:43:46,890 --> 01:43:53,310 match, match match. You're soaking in it match. It's it's a 1644 01:43:53,310 --> 01:43:56,040 great problem to work on. I'm very excited about it. 1645 01:43:56,760 --> 01:44:04,620 I'm comfortable saying that is a model of apps. Being able to do 1646 01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:08,940 value for value in this way with programmable money has never 1647 01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:15,000 been done before. Correct. I mean, I can't programmable money 1648 01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:17,940 that's able to do microtransactions like this. 1649 01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:22,410 This has only been around for a couple of years. This is all 1650 01:44:22,410 --> 01:44:26,700 brand new. Nobody's I mean, there's no way that Steven the 1651 01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:31,380 you could have known what this market is even supposed to look 1652 01:44:31,380 --> 01:44:34,950 like. I mean, you have no idea what what to charge how to 1653 01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:39,390 charge any of this stuff like you just have to stumble through 1654 01:44:39,390 --> 01:44:41,910 until you find the thing that works. 1655 01:44:43,050 --> 01:44:46,440 But what I like about the programmable money is you don't 1656 01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:49,380 have to have a link to buy me a coffee and then you've got to 1657 01:44:49,380 --> 01:44:51,570 put in your credit card information and there's all 1658 01:44:51,570 --> 01:44:56,910 these steps for it. It's just a boost me $1 And it's just click 1659 01:44:56,910 --> 01:44:59,490 that button and it comes right out of the 1660 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:03,360 water. I'm gonna stop you. I'm gonna stop you. Don't say boosts 1661 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,190 me $1 You're gonna get $1 1662 01:45:06,270 --> 01:45:09,690 Okay, I hear what you're saying with the Hey, boost me what what 1663 01:45:09,690 --> 01:45:10,650 do you think this is worth? 1664 01:45:10,919 --> 01:45:14,999 Yeah. In your own words yeah yeah 1665 01:45:16,170 --> 01:45:18,780 even say you could even do do their stats back to him to say 1666 01:45:18,780 --> 01:45:24,300 hey you hey just there you go you listened to you used curio 1667 01:45:24,300 --> 01:45:29,160 caster this this past month for in and listen to 27 hours of 1668 01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:33,990 podcasts consider given us what do you think? Yeah we know and 1669 01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:36,960 you boosted this much could you tell you know could you pitch in 1670 01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,660 some for us this much whatever those languages 1671 01:45:39,810 --> 01:45:43,350 IceCube soup has a script for developers send me your money 1672 01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:47,220 okay now that's not quite go but script. 1673 01:45:47,370 --> 01:45:53,310 Yeah pull that up Karen for the mere mortals podcast 9292 1674 01:45:53,940 --> 01:45:55,110 Cheerio Castor. 1675 01:45:55,140 --> 01:45:56,640 Very nice. Thank you, sir. 1676 01:45:57,750 --> 01:46:01,470 A nap have heard of. And he says, I love listening to you 1677 01:46:01,470 --> 01:46:05,250 guys. It's an ethics lesson with real life implications with more 1678 01:46:05,250 --> 01:46:09,300 value for value solve this, ie the app asking users to pay what 1679 01:46:09,300 --> 01:46:12,330 they think is fair. I don't run a business and don't know if 1680 01:46:12,330 --> 01:46:15,420 this can work on larger entities. Any examples you to 1681 01:46:15,420 --> 01:46:15,990 know of? 1682 01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:19,800 Yeah, I think we've just gone through all of them. 1683 01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:24,300 All of them. Yeah. Yeah. A severe lack of examples is 1684 01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:29,790 probably the biggest issue. There you go. gasp eland 117 set 1685 01:46:29,850 --> 01:46:33,900 through fountain and he says so far I've earned 117 says How was 1686 01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:37,560 the sustainable? Like the fee discussion? I don't want to I 1687 01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,890 don't want a subscription to fountain and like the fees if 1688 01:46:40,890 --> 01:46:47,010 that are like the fees of that are okay, so far, so good. Well, 1689 01:46:47,550 --> 01:46:56,250 I'm not sure what. Guess another drug donation. George Orwell 1690 01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:01,860 gave us 1100 Oh, oh. 1111 that's what that is. Through fountain 1691 01:47:01,860 --> 01:47:06,180 he says. Hope how's it going with Robert Jensen. He never 1692 01:47:06,180 --> 01:47:07,680 talks about podcasting. 2.0 1693 01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:14,340 Well, they're up on podcasting. 2.0 I boost regularly. And it's 1694 01:47:14,340 --> 01:47:17,910 a process you know, he's just he has, because I've been talking 1695 01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:20,700 to him since the pandemic started when he went value for 1696 01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:24,690 value, I convinced him to go value for value. He tried to 1697 01:47:24,690 --> 01:47:29,130 come up with his own version, you know, different different 1698 01:47:29,130 --> 01:47:32,250 versions of value for value, who's now just starting to 1699 01:47:32,250 --> 01:47:35,040 understand he's getting the words. And this is a 1700 01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:37,710 professional broadcaster, which I think makes it actually much 1701 01:47:37,710 --> 01:47:42,840 harder for him. So he's just getting his feet wet with with 1702 01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:45,870 with like, the Dutch Pay Pal system. getting that to work. 1703 01:47:45,870 --> 01:47:49,860 He's already he already knows he has to go to 2.0 because he'll 1704 01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:54,870 be he'll be financially D platformed. Pretty soon. Yeah, 1705 01:47:54,870 --> 01:48:00,600 no, it's and he's, he's not even in the Alex Jones X 22 level. I 1706 01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:01,530 mean, at all. 1707 01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:05,790 You know, he's mild compared to that. Probably more 1708 01:48:05,790 --> 01:48:09,240 like Megyn Kelly, honestly, from a content perspective and a 1709 01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:11,970 controversy which she's controversial. 1710 01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,680 I didn't think the or the Dutch that strict. 1711 01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:19,410 I mean, the Dutch, the Dutch media and government fucking 1712 01:48:19,410 --> 01:48:21,870 locked down tight, brother. They're steps ahead of us here. 1713 01:48:21,870 --> 01:48:25,680 Are you kidding me? Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're way 1714 01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,950 ahead of us in that stuff. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's like the UK. 1715 01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:33,120 You know, they've got language laws now. You can't say on 1716 01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:37,440 social media. So that's all coming to podcasting. Anyway. He 1717 01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:42,450 will. He will eventually be Oh, S T. He will eventually. 1718 01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:49,500 I haven't heard that one before. That was Kevin Bay 50,000 SATs 1719 01:48:50,820 --> 01:48:55,500 through fountain aces, baby. Yay. As a user, I would rather 1720 01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:59,700 control what I pay for the apps, what I pay the apps rather than 1721 01:48:59,700 --> 01:49:03,090 they take from the podcaster off the top. That's the only way 1722 01:49:03,090 --> 01:49:06,030 it's transparent apps should inform the user what they're 1723 01:49:06,030 --> 01:49:08,850 taking as soon as the wallet is set up. That sounds 1724 01:49:08,850 --> 01:49:10,260 right. I like that 1725 01:49:16,410 --> 01:49:23,370 the silver owl sent us oh this is very it's very native 1726 01:49:23,370 --> 01:49:28,860 American indigenous peoples the silver our son is 16 111 sets. 1727 01:49:29,670 --> 01:49:33,810 And he says regarding Oh through through breeze. And he says 1728 01:49:33,810 --> 01:49:40,080 regarding Sloot's donation, they are correct. 53163 does equals 1729 01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:46,230 1611 times 33. But when BTC equals 1 million, a set will be 1730 01:49:46,230 --> 01:49:54,120 one penny not $1. Truth. We're by the way for me. Before we 1731 01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:54,510 knew it 1732 01:49:54,540 --> 01:49:58,110 for the software developers who are going to work on their ask 1733 01:49:59,670 --> 01:50:05,670 be whereas the following message I was going to support you. I 1734 01:50:05,670 --> 01:50:10,680 was just deciding how much until you've removed this button 1735 01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,800 change this thing didn't answer my those people have never 1736 01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:17,550 supported you never will. And they're part of a category of 1737 01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:21,870 people who are always looking to tell you their excuse for not 1738 01:50:21,870 --> 01:50:22,620 supporting you. 1739 01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:25,680 Is there a name for this type of person? Yes. 1740 01:50:25,710 --> 01:50:26,550 Douchebag. 1741 01:50:27,090 --> 01:50:27,450 Okay. 1742 01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:31,710 Have you found the people who complain the most are the ones 1743 01:50:31,710 --> 01:50:33,120 who don't give any support? 1744 01:50:33,210 --> 01:50:38,130 Absolutely. 100% if they're complaining now, someone who is 1745 01:50:38,130 --> 01:50:41,940 your partner in value for value and loves what you're doing and 1746 01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:45,240 is supporting you, they're approaching you, you will feel 1747 01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:48,090 it immediately written DM whatever, like, Oh, this is 1748 01:50:48,090 --> 01:50:50,610 someone who really appreciates what I'm doing, and wants to 1749 01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:53,490 work with me. They can still have a complaint about how 1750 01:50:53,490 --> 01:50:55,410 something functions are whatever, but they will be 1751 01:50:55,410 --> 01:50:56,970 respectful and you'll know it right away. 1752 01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:01,590 Have you guys heard of The Pareto principle or the 8020 1753 01:51:01,590 --> 01:51:02,220 principle? 1754 01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:07,260 What 80% of your money comes from 20% of your customers? 1755 01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:10,980 Yeah, and 80% of your complaints come from 20% of your customers, 1756 01:51:10,980 --> 01:51:14,550 that would be the not the 20% that no hoarding, you know, it's 1757 01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:14,730 more 1758 01:51:14,730 --> 01:51:18,630 like value for value 4% of your listeners or of your users will 1759 01:51:18,630 --> 01:51:26,400 be supporting you. And 96% will be complaining. Something 1760 01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,080 like that, lyceum. 1761 01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:31,950 And by the way, go ahead. It happens very often that someone 1762 01:51:31,950 --> 01:51:35,310 will pop up and say, Hey, man, I've been I've been listening to 1763 01:51:35,310 --> 01:51:39,330 your show using your app, fill in the blank. For five years, I 1764 01:51:39,330 --> 01:51:42,810 realize I've never given him anything, so I'm making up for 1765 01:51:42,810 --> 01:51:49,230 it. And people do $2 An episode. It's you'll be amazed every 1766 01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:51,480 single time when you leave it open they'll come up with their 1767 01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:55,560 own reasons. Because someone who can can say they have reasons 1768 01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:58,590 not to the people the percentage of people come up with their own 1769 01:51:58,590 --> 01:52:01,350 reasons is really astounding. And it's it's a number it's a 1770 01:52:01,350 --> 01:52:05,280 message it's a thing it's a suggestion, etc. All right, and 1771 01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:05,760 rant. 1772 01:52:06,450 --> 01:52:09,990 Lyceum gave us 1200 61 SATs through fountain he says from my 1773 01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:15,900 tweet Lyceum para para Rippetoe dose. Adam curry Davis keeping 1774 01:52:15,900 --> 01:52:20,370 the ducks in the row and podcast index Oregon good shape. I think 1775 01:52:20,370 --> 01:52:22,980 the marketplace will self regulate itself regarding Fees 1776 01:52:22,980 --> 01:52:28,260 and Cuts of the pie. I will send you 12 161 SATs see screenshot. 1777 01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:31,050 The best premises, Martin Linda Skog 1778 01:52:31,470 --> 01:52:33,780 Ah, he's from Sweden, I think. 1779 01:52:34,650 --> 01:52:37,230 Okay, yeah. Do you know what nationality was key? 1780 01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:40,500 Yeah, I've seen his name pop up on Korean the keeper a couple 1781 01:52:40,500 --> 01:52:41,790 other things. Yeah. Thanks, Martin. 1782 01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:46,590 Yeah, and he tweets us a lot on Twitter. You hacked me not? 1783 01:52:47,460 --> 01:52:50,940 Through fountain gave us 9400 SATs and he says sup dudes. 1784 01:52:51,810 --> 01:52:55,080 Thank you. Please look for my email. I send it to info at 1785 01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,360 podcast index.org Go podcasting. 1786 01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:58,680 Podcast. 1787 01:52:59,850 --> 01:53:03,000 Goodness. I don't know if I get an email from him. Did you get 1788 01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:03,990 an email? He's I 1789 01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:07,920 am curious. The eyes maybe? Oh, wait a minute. What's his name? 1790 01:53:08,430 --> 01:53:13,200 hack me not. Is his internet handle. 1791 01:53:13,530 --> 01:53:23,610 hack me not? Yes. His email is very long. But he's, yeah, I 1792 01:53:23,610 --> 01:53:30,840 mean, oh, here's a one choice line the idea of charging a fee 1793 01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:34,890 on Satoshis donated or streamed is app suicide in my opinion. 1794 01:53:36,180 --> 01:53:39,540 It's emboldened app suicide as they're competing with a free 1795 01:53:39,540 --> 01:53:42,360 alternative Cash App. Okay. 1796 01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:45,479 Oh, yeah, I did get this I wonder why I lost this email. 1797 01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:50,040 I have the email but it's very so he has he has a lot of 1798 01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,260 different suggestions. You know what I would appreciate hack me 1799 01:53:52,260 --> 01:53:58,470 not repost whatever you want of this on a no agenda social. At 1800 01:53:58,470 --> 01:54:01,770 no agenda, podcast index dot socialists. It's just a little 1801 01:54:01,770 --> 01:54:04,500 too long to read through on the show. But you have some good 1802 01:54:04,500 --> 01:54:07,410 points. And I think it would be good for the conversation. And 1803 01:54:07,410 --> 01:54:11,850 in general, in general, people on podcasts index on social. I'm 1804 01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:16,200 not a big fan of DMS. If you have an opinion, I think you 1805 01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,340 should say it publicly. 1806 01:54:18,810 --> 01:54:23,700 Yet, the only time I like DMS or when something is potentially 1807 01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:27,420 like sometimes somebody will DM me and say, Hey, if you need 1808 01:54:27,420 --> 01:54:31,920 some help with with such and such I'm free this day. It's 1809 01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,150 just stuff that's like personal, 1810 01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:37,290 personal scheduling personal nation that kind of stuff. Yeah, 1811 01:54:37,290 --> 01:54:39,120 exactly. But if it's general 1812 01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:41,940 commentary, don't yet don't DM that everybody needs to see and 1813 01:54:41,940 --> 01:54:47,010 be able to comment on hanging up by followed up with another 9400 1814 01:54:47,010 --> 01:54:50,850 Sassy so here's a second 90 407 Boost sent with the found 1815 01:54:50,850 --> 01:54:53,730 premium. Can you tell me the difference in the actual amount 1816 01:54:53,730 --> 01:54:55,950 received between this and my first boost? 1817 01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:00,510 Yeah, Oh, 1818 01:55:00,690 --> 01:55:04,290 I can let you know I'm gonna set this aside now. And I'll do that 1819 01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:09,270 after the fact. If you will get on podcasts indexes social and 1820 01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:16,410 ping me there. I will. I will look it up for you. Joel Wu says 1821 01:55:16,410 --> 01:55:19,080 333 SATs through fountain and then he says, What about a 1822 01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,870 customized split option? Keep the current splits as default 1823 01:55:21,870 --> 01:55:23,880 but allow people to adjust as they see fit. 1824 01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:25,620 Say that again? 1825 01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:31,050 What about a customized split option? Keep the current splits 1826 01:55:31,050 --> 01:55:35,490 as default but allow people to adjust as they see fit. And 1827 01:55:35,490 --> 01:55:38,580 that's been done before. And I think most of the developers 1828 01:55:38,580 --> 01:55:39,660 have taken that out. 1829 01:55:39,690 --> 01:55:43,110 Yeah. But you still get a Fauci boost. 1830 01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:49,680 Boost. Sir beat 1000 sets through cast dramatic cases, 1831 01:55:49,710 --> 01:55:52,680 hey, it's not your money to spend or split. It's our 1832 01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,650 experience. That total experience is built up from all 1833 01:55:55,650 --> 01:55:59,340 the things content, app and access. All we need is a means 1834 01:55:59,340 --> 01:56:02,460 to send and spread the value we experience. Any other scenarios 1835 01:56:02,460 --> 01:56:05,310 will feel like a subscription or some other thing we want to get 1836 01:56:05,310 --> 01:56:08,400 away from if app builders or whoever want a predictable 1837 01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,130 subscription like experience, then they should offer just 1838 01:56:11,130 --> 01:56:15,930 that. But let them make a pay per tick scheme in their app. 1839 01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:21,210 Don't just stand there boost. Makes sense? Yep. All the 1840 01:56:21,210 --> 01:56:25,590 options are being explored. Cast peatland again, yeah, 3690 SAS 1841 01:56:25,590 --> 01:56:26,490 and he says, Thanks. 1842 01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:28,950 Well, thank you. Cass. You're welcome. 1843 01:56:31,050 --> 01:56:35,070 Oh, gosh. I'm going to try this name again. Can you 1844 01:56:35,700 --> 01:56:38,220 is that Tanisha? Yeah, can you can you can you? 1845 01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:46,350 Can you can Isa 500 SATs through fountain needs his first boost 1846 01:56:46,350 --> 01:56:51,330 from the fountain app. Thank you. First boost Kenny. Or 1847 01:56:51,330 --> 01:56:53,820 whatever? I sound very Hebrew when I say that. Yeah. 1848 01:56:53,850 --> 01:57:00,210 Well, the Dutch and what is the word? I'm looking for? Yiddish? 1849 01:57:00,690 --> 01:57:04,620 Very close to each other. Can you hear that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. 1850 01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:07,620 I wonder how that works. Historically. 1851 01:57:08,220 --> 01:57:10,770 Dude, Carla, a lot of complicated 1852 01:57:11,130 --> 01:57:12,660 in the in the 1853 01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:16,290 well, that were up until 1945. And then we lost them all. I 1854 01:57:16,290 --> 01:57:18,540 don't know where they went. And we had a lot of them. We got a 1855 01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:22,320 lot left with numbers on their arms. You know? Yeah. Well, 1856 01:57:22,350 --> 01:57:24,780 yeah. I grew up in that. Man. You you grew up in a whole 1857 01:57:24,780 --> 01:57:27,630 different perspective. When your your friend's grandmother has 1858 01:57:27,630 --> 01:57:30,750 numbers tattooed on her arm, you think a little differently about 1859 01:57:30,750 --> 01:57:31,440 humans? 1860 01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:36,330 So there was a big Jewish population before the war? Yes. 1861 01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:40,890 Okay. Yes. Is that who is that go back to the founding of the 1862 01:57:40,890 --> 01:57:41,460 lowlands? 1863 01:57:42,150 --> 01:57:48,030 Oh, goodness. I couldn't answer that with any accuracy. I 1864 01:57:48,210 --> 01:57:51,120 really? I really don't know. I don't know. 1865 01:57:51,930 --> 01:57:54,300 Well, we got it. We got plenty of Jewish listeners that let us 1866 01:57:54,300 --> 01:58:00,510 know. Pirate hodl sent us 3333 sets to fountain nice as well. I 1867 01:58:00,510 --> 01:58:03,930 agree. That is good for the app fee to be added on top of the 1868 01:58:03,930 --> 01:58:06,600 boost. You'd have to admit in this world of shit coins and 1869 01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:09,810 scams, that some apps will exist that pass that cost on to the 1870 01:58:09,810 --> 01:58:13,470 Creator. Perhaps hella pad could flag boosts where the TLV is 1871 01:58:13,890 --> 01:58:17,370 very with a TLV versus actual mountain mismatches? That's a 1872 01:58:17,370 --> 01:58:20,460 pretty interesting idea. In an extreme case of creator 1873 01:58:20,460 --> 01:58:23,730 retaliation, you could refuse to read such boosts on the air. 1874 01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:27,030 Yeah, well, I think we're solving this already. I mean, 1875 01:58:27,030 --> 01:58:30,780 I'm not worried about that. Now. I think we've got enough of the 1876 01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:34,650 I mean, I'm not worried about it. Because the first and I 1877 01:58:34,650 --> 01:58:37,830 think fountain is seeing some of that success. Now they have 1878 01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:42,450 other financial resources that are helping them get there. But 1879 01:58:43,950 --> 01:58:46,800 there's software that I still use today that I've been using 1880 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:52,920 for 15 years. And every year I send a donation you know, it's 1881 01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:57,000 like people will send you more than anything you in your 1882 01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:02,760 wildest dreams. If you leave it open ended and ask Oh 1883 01:59:06,210 --> 01:59:10,680 no. Yeah, that doesn't need doesn't need any commentary from 1884 01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:14,130 me. I think I think that yeah, yeah, Mexico says, Pirate hello 1885 01:59:14,130 --> 01:59:18,420 again. 3333. And he says instead of a normal key send key. Could 1886 01:59:18,420 --> 01:59:21,570 you could you add app placeholder as one of the 1887 01:59:21,570 --> 01:59:25,740 splits? That way the Creator signals a fee they're willing to 1888 01:59:25,740 --> 01:59:30,630 pay the app then insert their own key on the fly was an 1889 01:59:30,630 --> 01:59:31,470 interesting idea. 1890 01:59:31,500 --> 01:59:33,690 Yeah, I thought of something like that as well. But I also 1891 01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:39,030 feel that's that's not for the I mean, if I want to give 1892 01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:42,840 something to an app, I'll put them in my split. Yeah, and 1893 01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:45,180 that's what that's what we do with curio caster, like put them 1894 01:59:45,180 --> 01:59:48,180 in the split because sovereign feeds you know, whatever. Boom, 1895 01:59:48,180 --> 01:59:49,470 boom, boom, just put stuff in there. 1896 01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,970 Nomad Joe sent us 1000 SATs through fountaining says show 1897 01:59:53,970 --> 01:59:58,890 fees on new podcast Apps page. Also an interesting idea. We 1898 01:59:58,890 --> 02:00:03,810 could put that in at To the JSON. There you go block. In 1899 02:00:03,810 --> 02:00:06,000 that way when people add themselves it's pull request on 1900 02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,740 the site. It could go in there too, 1901 02:00:07,770 --> 02:00:11,820 but I would prefer people try an app out and not base it on cost. 1902 02:00:11,850 --> 02:00:15,810 Because you know, you try an app out. It's like, oh, well, you 1903 02:00:15,810 --> 02:00:18,960 know, that's worth more I don't know, man. 1904 02:00:19,290 --> 02:00:22,710 Yeah. A lot of good a lot of good comments here. Love it, 1905 02:00:22,710 --> 02:00:23,370 love. Yeah, 1906 02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:26,760 yeah, this is this is the first really I mean, this is real 1907 02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,160 content that's coming in here on these booster grams. 1908 02:00:30,150 --> 02:00:35,490 More it's from Alby Oh, hey. 2100 SATs through pod verse and 1909 02:00:35,490 --> 02:00:38,220 he says what do you think of a leaderboard for received value 1910 02:00:38,220 --> 02:00:40,980 for value payments? Yeah, that that's something I would love to 1911 02:00:40,980 --> 02:00:42,750 do all in for this show. Yeah, 1912 02:00:42,750 --> 02:00:48,330 all in Yeah. And I would love to have a leaderboard. Why not give 1913 02:00:48,330 --> 02:00:53,850 me a leaderboard from curio caster for my SATs? This is as 1914 02:00:53,850 --> 02:00:57,030 an extra service I'd put you in yet another split for that. 1915 02:00:59,550 --> 02:01:01,080 What do you mean by that? Like, 1916 02:01:01,410 --> 02:01:05,850 give me a leaderboard for all for pot for my podcasts, maybe 1917 02:01:05,850 --> 02:01:08,340 one maybe all of them combined the leaderboard of people who 1918 02:01:08,340 --> 02:01:12,270 supported those the most in the app next to my podcast. 1919 02:01:12,630 --> 02:01:16,170 Okay, so but that would just be the people using curio caster to 1920 02:01:16,170 --> 02:01:16,650 support 1921 02:01:16,650 --> 02:01:18,810 no right and correct Yeah, yeah. 1922 02:01:19,950 --> 02:01:23,040 Yeah, and I can add that to help add to this thing James was one 1923 02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,910 that the other day too that's cool. I like that. Mister Mister 1924 02:01:26,970 --> 02:01:27,960 did use 330 1925 02:01:27,990 --> 02:01:29,970 Did you say you can add that tailpipe? 1926 02:01:31,140 --> 02:01:33,900 No, I said I can add that to Hello, Pat. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm 1927 02:01:35,490 --> 02:01:42,240 at 1000 miles an hour. Okay. Mr. Mr. Sin is 333 SAS who found it 1928 02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:45,090 and he says defrag me my first boost of all time many more to 1929 02:01:45,090 --> 02:01:45,960 go Mr. Mr. 1930 02:01:48,300 --> 02:01:50,490 Welcome to the club. defragmented you our 1931 02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:57,930 first boost party. See a Chris You know, send us 10,000 SATs 1932 02:01:57,930 --> 02:02:01,290 through fountain and he says the discussion of ways to support 1933 02:02:01,290 --> 02:02:05,490 podcasting 2.0 apps got me thinking. What are your thoughts 1934 02:02:05,490 --> 02:02:08,520 on the podcast index supporting or facilitating feature 1935 02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:14,040 bounties? We just talked about that. Hey, users list the 1936 02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:15,330 feature right 1937 02:02:16,770 --> 02:02:17,970 now millennial girl. 1938 02:02:20,790 --> 02:02:23,850 Users list the features they would like to see in podcasting 1939 02:02:23,850 --> 02:02:27,180 two point out apps and pledge and amount of sets. They will 1940 02:02:27,180 --> 02:02:30,510 contribute when that feature gets added. This would let apps 1941 02:02:30,510 --> 02:02:33,600 know which features users want most and support development as 1942 02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:38,640 it features I'm I'm game somebody write it. Somebody that 1943 02:02:38,670 --> 02:02:46,560 develop it. Let's do it. Cool. McCormick one. sent us Puck is 1944 02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:51,840 Eve 2222 Road ducks through fountain. He says podcasting 2.0 1945 02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:54,900 is like Back to the Future when George McFly punches Biff in the 1946 02:02:54,900 --> 02:02:59,400 face changing the future for the better. We are McFly. Go podcast 1947 02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:03,870 go podcast. 1948 02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:16,770 Sir Spencer, from the bulls with buds. Send us 54,321 Sam. 1949 02:03:17,430 --> 02:03:18,180 Nice 1950 02:03:18,510 --> 02:03:25,890 boost. Thanks, man. He says counting down to the Steven Bell 1951 02:03:25,890 --> 02:03:32,370 appearance. He says PS what's the total set count requirement 1952 02:03:32,370 --> 02:03:36,030 for one of those 60 new T shirts. This gets me to the 200k 1953 02:03:36,030 --> 02:03:39,210 so far from fountain not counting Brees and curio caster 1954 02:03:39,210 --> 02:03:42,450 booths always spreading the good word of podcasting. 2.0 1955 02:03:43,260 --> 02:03:47,190 What is it? What is the current price? I think it's was at 100 1956 02:03:47,190 --> 02:03:48,690 and $125. 1957 02:03:50,010 --> 02:03:53,610 Yeah, so what about 300? Something like that? Is that 1958 02:03:53,610 --> 02:03:54,180 what that is? 1959 02:03:54,419 --> 02:03:56,549 No. No, it's 1960 02:03:56,549 --> 02:04:00,599 more I can't do math during the show and I'm brain hurts. Yeah. 1961 02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:06,720 I think it's more like 7000 isms 1962 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,080 that the show comes to a halt. It really does. 1963 02:04:10,110 --> 02:04:11,850 Yeah, sorry about that. 1964 02:04:12,180 --> 02:04:15,870 Kill 100 1000s Bow Bow Bow. 20 bucks now. 1965 02:04:17,130 --> 02:04:22,740 100,000 is 20 bucks. Yeah. Brent now, is that right? Yeah, I 1966 02:04:22,740 --> 02:04:25,650 guess I guess you're right. 20 So yeah, okay, so 1967 02:04:25,650 --> 02:04:32,070 60 566 150 650,000 Satoshis 1968 02:04:32,580 --> 02:04:40,650 656 5656. The Comic Strip blogger the delimiter yay. 1969 02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:46,770 15,033 sets. He says how he podcasting 2.0 team. Do you know 1970 02:04:46,770 --> 02:04:49,560 that Russian missile strikes on civilian targets in Ukraine like 1971 02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:53,610 apartment buildings and shopping malls still continue? Anyways, 1972 02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:57,030 please enter your web browser. Please enter into your web 1973 02:04:57,030 --> 02:05:01,710 browser or any podcast app. Ai dot cookie. To listen to British 1974 02:05:01,710 --> 02:05:04,350 voice of Gregory William Forsythe Forman from Kent 1975 02:05:04,590 --> 02:05:07,020 talking about latest AI news yo 1976 02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:13,260 yo who wasn't on the mastodon that podcasting next on social 1977 02:05:13,260 --> 02:05:16,290 that asks you know, like, I want to put some money towards 1978 02:05:16,290 --> 02:05:18,840 marketing I said yeah this is a proven strategy you boost all 1979 02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:21,150 these different shows and people know about your stuff he says 1980 02:05:21,150 --> 02:05:24,180 are you kidding me? Are you saying it's a joke said no look 1981 02:05:24,180 --> 02:05:28,200 at comics or Blogger he does it every week. But on a whole bunch 1982 02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:31,320 of different shows. My wife if I say hey if you want to know 1983 02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:34,020 about artificial artificial intelligence she say AI dot 1984 02:05:34,020 --> 02:05:38,460 cooking not that she would listen to it but she does she 1985 02:05:38,460 --> 02:05:39,450 would know where to go. 1986 02:05:39,780 --> 02:05:43,170 Yeah. And he brings in his politics too. You can feel free 1987 02:05:43,170 --> 02:05:46,620 I mean, love it boosters with the with everything you got 1988 02:05:46,650 --> 02:05:50,010 nothing's off limits. Good. 1989 02:05:50,370 --> 02:05:52,470 No. Was that the last one to 1990 02:05:52,799 --> 02:05:55,589 eliminate those last night last week got some monthlies now 1991 02:05:55,619 --> 02:05:56,459 while there was one 1992 02:05:57,030 --> 02:06:01,800 live boosted came in while we were talking 26,260 from sup Yo 1993 02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:06,330 sup at work but hopped up on a LIVE TAG to boost 1994 02:06:06,749 --> 02:06:08,879 nice All right, 1995 02:06:08,910 --> 02:06:12,180 yeah. What's your sup Yo sup? 1996 02:06:13,980 --> 02:06:17,400 We get some monthlies through the pay pals. We get Chad Farrow 1997 02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:23,730 20 $20.22 Thank you Chad. Chad. Scott, Scott Jalbert $12 Thank 1998 02:06:23,730 --> 02:06:29,640 you. Scott Lowe Retta Vandenberg $10 Pedro gun Cal has $5 Aaron 1999 02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:34,380 Renaud $5. dribs got the original end of podcasting. $15 2000 02:06:34,500 --> 02:06:40,800 Jeff Miller $20 Thank you, Jeff. Michael Kimmerer 533 $5.33 2001 02:06:40,830 --> 02:06:48,900 Leslie mill nosey Martin $2. And Stu coats the evil $6.66. That's 2002 02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:49,080 it. 2003 02:06:49,650 --> 02:06:52,230 That's it. eautiful beautiful. Thank you all very much. Thank 2004 02:06:52,230 --> 02:06:54,720 you for supporting us value for value. I think we've explained 2005 02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:58,650 it by now. But the whole project runs open. And it's open to your 2006 02:06:58,650 --> 02:07:01,620 interpretation. If you appreciate what's going on here 2007 02:07:01,620 --> 02:07:05,250 because you like the development you want to support podcasting. 2008 02:07:06,030 --> 02:07:09,210 You hate the mainstream media. That's possible. You can do you 2009 02:07:09,210 --> 02:07:12,180 can hate boost. You can hate support. It's okay here. Hate 2010 02:07:12,180 --> 02:07:16,920 boosting is my favorite thing to do. By the way. I do 50,000 sat 2011 02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:22,050 hate boosts to crow Cridland. Yeah, all the time. And love it. 2012 02:07:22,500 --> 02:07:26,670 Want to make sure he didn't get his attention? They'll do it. Go 2013 02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:30,480 to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom you can see a big red 2014 02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:34,230 donate button. Actually, I did not check the tally coin to see 2015 02:07:34,230 --> 02:07:39,810 if anyone came in through a plain old plain old Bitcoin 2016 02:07:40,290 --> 02:07:43,530 donation. But from there, you can get to our Pay Pal. And you 2017 02:07:43,530 --> 02:07:50,070 can also Yeah, okay. Actually, you can also donate through 2018 02:07:50,070 --> 02:07:51,150 lightning, I think right? 2019 02:07:52,770 --> 02:07:53,640 Yeah, yeah, I 2020 02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:56,010 think so. Let me just check and see if we didn't miss anything. 2021 02:07:56,010 --> 02:07:59,220 Because those are typically bigger boosts are bigger 2022 02:07:59,250 --> 02:08:06,240 support, see, we go visit and the sum total is none. Okay. Of 2023 02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:07,080 course, everybody. 2024 02:08:08,940 --> 02:08:12,990 Steven, do you show anywhere? You mentioned a leaderboard on 2025 02:08:12,990 --> 02:08:17,910 your ad, do you show anywhere? Is that data available already? 2026 02:08:19,050 --> 02:08:21,360 To show that, like when people are boosting? You 2027 02:08:22,410 --> 02:08:25,740 know, I don't want to have it being saved to the database. And 2028 02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:30,570 honestly, I just looked at it I posted on the index, like who 2029 02:08:30,570 --> 02:08:34,530 the top boosters were or the or the top podcast. And that's the 2030 02:08:34,530 --> 02:08:37,530 first time I looked at the data and probably eight months. 2031 02:08:38,130 --> 02:08:41,070 Okay, yeah, that's think that'd be really gonna be really cool 2032 02:08:41,070 --> 02:08:44,490 idea. On let me ask you about something else that pod pain. 2033 02:08:45,540 --> 02:08:49,140 Are you? So are you sending a live pod pain with sovereign 2034 02:08:49,140 --> 02:08:52,770 feeds now when when an app goes live? I mean, when a podcast 2035 02:08:52,770 --> 02:08:53,280 goes live, 2036 02:08:53,490 --> 02:08:56,820 yeah, they have the ability to push the button because they 2037 02:08:56,820 --> 02:09:00,240 need to upload the their feed to their server first, since that's 2038 02:09:00,240 --> 02:09:04,830 the source of truth. So they can after they've done that, come 2039 02:09:04,830 --> 02:09:07,500 back and press the live feed, which I think is what Adam is 2040 02:09:07,500 --> 02:09:08,730 doing for no agenda. Yep. 2041 02:09:09,810 --> 02:09:14,190 Okay, and that. So how are you doing? Then I'm curious about 2042 02:09:14,190 --> 02:09:17,040 what the back end looks like. Did did Alex help you is are 2043 02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,950 using a script that he did like a Docker script or something? 2044 02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:24,150 Yeah, it's a Google Cloud Function that he's got in the 2045 02:09:24,180 --> 02:09:28,890 GitHub repo. And I have no idea what's going on with it. I just 2046 02:09:28,890 --> 02:09:31,560 follow his instructions. And it magically works. 2047 02:09:33,780 --> 02:09:35,850 Love that's, that's who needs more. 2048 02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:40,650 But so that's C where is that? Is that in the pod pain? Is that 2049 02:09:40,650 --> 02:09:44,490 the hive writer? Repo maybe? 2050 02:09:45,780 --> 02:09:49,230 Um, I don't know. Let me see if I could find out and get up real 2051 02:09:49,230 --> 02:09:49,740 quick. 2052 02:09:49,890 --> 02:09:53,610 Because I'd like to point other people to that if it's something 2053 02:09:53,610 --> 02:09:57,030 that's that they can implement themselves. Yeah, I 2054 02:09:57,030 --> 02:10:02,220 mean, I think it cost me a penny a month. Using Google Cloud 2055 02:10:02,220 --> 02:10:02,970 Functions, 2056 02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:09,840 oh, well, let's see tests. Hive writer. Maybe I thought he had 2057 02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:15,360 some examples in here. I don't know. We'll find it. If I can 2058 02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:17,400 find it by the end of the show was maybe stick in the show 2059 02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:17,790 notes? 2060 02:10:18,060 --> 02:10:20,490 Yeah, I'll, I'll put it on the social. 2061 02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:27,000 Okay. All right. Let's go with what else you got? What else you 2062 02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:31,140 got coming up? You got your you got? You got Dropbox integration 2063 02:10:31,140 --> 02:10:34,110 everything Do you have you have anything else on the radar maybe 2064 02:10:34,140 --> 02:10:37,860 you are used your next step is AI social, social interact or 2065 02:10:37,860 --> 02:10:38,280 anything 2066 02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:43,170 social interacts working with? With that I don't know that I'm 2067 02:10:43,170 --> 02:10:46,620 going to next up is getting the wallet stuff fixed. I've got a 2068 02:10:46,620 --> 02:10:51,990 few issues were one is Ellen pay, you can send your boost 2069 02:10:52,350 --> 02:10:57,570 synchronously or async. The problem was synchronously is if 2070 02:10:57,570 --> 02:10:59,850 you've heard if you've seen on the social, there's lots of 2071 02:10:59,850 --> 02:11:04,080 complaints that fountain takes a while for the boost to go 2072 02:11:04,080 --> 02:11:07,170 through. And that's because you can only send one boost at a 2073 02:11:07,170 --> 02:11:12,060 time because if the wallets busy processing that it won't process 2074 02:11:12,060 --> 02:11:17,400 the next one. Yep. You can also send them a sink. And it'll just 2075 02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:22,680 put it in a queue on Ellen pay servers. But the issue with that 2076 02:11:22,710 --> 02:11:26,790 is I've had people who are trying to do a live boost. And 2077 02:11:27,180 --> 02:11:30,600 LM pay doesn't get to processing it until 12 hours later. Oh, 2078 02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:35,520 shit. So yes, it was weird. Like I was looking at the logs. And 2079 02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:38,580 it was the next morning before I saw that the funds had been 2080 02:11:38,580 --> 02:11:39,780 taken out of the wallet to 2081 02:11:39,780 --> 02:11:43,260 do processes, though. That's the amazing process. Amazing harm 2082 02:11:43,260 --> 02:11:43,860 right there. 2083 02:11:43,980 --> 02:11:46,770 Yeah, when a guy is trying to do a live boost, he's expecting it 2084 02:11:46,770 --> 02:11:50,640 to be read. And I understand the complaints. Because if it's not 2085 02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:53,190 read on the show, then it's just like, oh, well, did that boost 2086 02:11:53,190 --> 02:11:59,070 go through? Yeah. Because I'm kind of hiding the mess so that 2087 02:11:59,070 --> 02:12:02,040 when you hit that boost button, it looks like all the stats are 2088 02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:05,520 taken out of your wallet. But it may be several minutes before 2089 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:06,960 everything's actually processed. 2090 02:12:07,620 --> 02:12:11,430 You mentioned I think you mentioned maybe a week or so ago 2091 02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:18,300 that you were switching LNP from LNP to lb. Is that right? 2092 02:12:18,930 --> 02:12:22,590 Yeah, so I've been working with the lb development team. And 2093 02:12:22,590 --> 02:12:28,020 they are trying to develop an API so that you can use owl B 2094 02:12:28,020 --> 02:12:31,170 and connect to that API, so you're not having to use a 2095 02:12:31,170 --> 02:12:35,040 browser extension. And that way on a mobile device, you can 2096 02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:38,910 still use Albea because I'd much prefer people be able to use 2097 02:12:38,910 --> 02:12:42,810 their own wallets and albies got it so that you can tie into your 2098 02:12:42,810 --> 02:12:46,800 Umbral node or into your, your voltage node, 2099 02:12:47,129 --> 02:12:49,259 even even on even on a mobile browser. 2100 02:12:49,829 --> 02:12:52,769 Yeah, that's how that's supposed to work is you connect all that 2101 02:12:52,769 --> 02:12:57,149 stuff through Alby and then I can talk to albies. Back in 2102 02:12:57,149 --> 02:12:58,079 through the API. 2103 02:12:58,080 --> 02:13:01,830 Oh, cool. Yeah, wallets. I've 2104 02:13:01,830 --> 02:13:06,030 never wanted to host wallets. But I think the value, the value 2105 02:13:06,030 --> 02:13:10,050 block is so important and being able to boost and stream that 2106 02:13:10,050 --> 02:13:12,990 I've been willing to do it until better solutions come along. 2107 02:13:13,590 --> 02:13:14,160 You're coming? 2108 02:13:14,669 --> 02:13:18,389 Yeah, that's a good, that's a good thing, because so I'll be a 2109 02:13:18,389 --> 02:13:22,739 sort of the bridge there. And so you've got your wallet. And then 2110 02:13:22,739 --> 02:13:26,849 you've got the app. And so the Alby acts as the interface layer 2111 02:13:26,849 --> 02:13:27,509 between 2112 02:13:27,900 --> 02:13:30,510 the offense and like the authentication through the web 2113 02:13:30,510 --> 02:13:33,240 browser, you're logged in. That's cool. That's a good way 2114 02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:33,810 to do it. 2115 02:13:34,230 --> 02:13:36,840 Having an API will be would be great. Cool. Are 2116 02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:40,590 these are these mysterious? Owl bee guys? I don't know. They're 2117 02:13:40,590 --> 02:13:44,310 like Germany. Ah, you have all of this makes all the sense now. 2118 02:13:44,730 --> 02:13:45,870 Hello, Deutschland. 2119 02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:51,720 There's another team out there called mash. And they have I 2120 02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:56,190 want to say it was $6 million dollars of VC money they got and 2121 02:13:56,220 --> 02:14:00,390 they're doing a similar thing. It's not open source, like Alby 2122 02:14:00,390 --> 02:14:05,310 is, but I've messed around with their stuff a little bit. And 2123 02:14:05,310 --> 02:14:10,200 it's already set up that you can hit a boost button in the app. 2124 02:14:10,230 --> 02:14:14,820 And even in a mobile device, it will open up the interface. But 2125 02:14:15,390 --> 02:14:19,350 they're not as far along as LB is with the development of that. 2126 02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:19,590 Yeah, I 2127 02:14:19,589 --> 02:14:25,379 would honestly I'd rather really support the lb guys who are open 2128 02:14:26,279 --> 02:14:27,959 are part of the community already. 2129 02:14:28,500 --> 02:14:31,590 Yeah. And I love that they've opened up podcaster wallets for 2130 02:14:31,590 --> 02:14:33,330 people. Yeah, for sure. 2131 02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:36,180 Yeah, that's, that's fantastic. Yeah, let's get the lb guys on 2132 02:14:36,180 --> 02:14:37,620 the show. Yeah, you guys are 2133 02:14:38,460 --> 02:14:42,090 really doing a lot of good stuff for for podcasting. 2.0 2134 02:14:42,330 --> 02:14:45,420 Are you working with Moritz over there as you're talking to Oh, 2135 02:14:45,420 --> 02:14:45,660 yeah, 2136 02:14:45,660 --> 02:14:51,750 there's been more it's and then Bumi and boom, figured out the 2137 02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:54,000 other guy's is he's the actual developer. 2138 02:14:56,670 --> 02:14:58,770 Yeah, yeah. I'll reach out to him. We get we'll get him on the 2139 02:14:58,770 --> 02:15:02,400 show. I'm sorry. that'll be good. Yeah. So that's the one. 2140 02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:06,690 That's the one weak point is on the on the AP side. It's always, 2141 02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:10,440 so far, it's just been LM fe. And to have another option, I 2142 02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:14,580 think is a sign of market growth anyways, yeah, we really need 2143 02:15:14,580 --> 02:15:15,120 Yeah, yeah, for 2144 02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:19,710 sure. And an LM pays got issues, but I'm so thankful for what 2145 02:15:19,710 --> 02:15:24,030 Ellen pay has done. Because we, if we didn't have Ellen pay, you 2146 02:15:24,030 --> 02:15:28,650 could basically use breeze to stream stuff. Almost all the 2147 02:15:28,650 --> 02:15:34,170 other apps are using Ellen pay, I think, a pod station that 2148 02:15:34,170 --> 02:15:38,790 Guillermo is out. He's got a deal where you can tie into your 2149 02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:44,400 actual node, I think. But yeah, we just we wouldn't have had be 2150 02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:47,460 as far along with boosting and streaming if it wasn't for LNP 2151 02:15:48,030 --> 02:15:54,540 Oh, yeah. 100% I do wish that he would lower his model I can't 2152 02:15:54,540 --> 02:15:59,190 afford $100 A month when when curio caster is bringing in $20 2153 02:15:59,190 --> 02:16:03,270 a month. But I think well, that service he provides like, I 2154 02:16:03,270 --> 02:16:07,650 would totally give him the $20 but I think a lot of these early 2155 02:16:07,650 --> 02:16:11,400 apps, they see that $100 And he's been very generous. He's 2156 02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:15,540 not charging that to any of the podcasting 2.0 apps. But when I 2157 02:16:15,540 --> 02:16:18,570 see that on his website, there's a lot of people who bristle at 2158 02:16:18,570 --> 02:16:21,120 that. It's like, Man, I can't afford $100 For this startup 2159 02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:21,630 idea. 2160 02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:25,830 Well, he's following Adam Curry's third rule of business. 2161 02:16:27,210 --> 02:16:30,780 I'll give you the I'll give you all three. Number one, don't run 2162 02:16:30,780 --> 02:16:37,920 out of money. Number two, don't negotiate against yourself. And 2163 02:16:37,950 --> 02:16:40,620 number three, if you don't want to do something, raise the 2164 02:16:40,620 --> 02:16:47,190 price. All right. And so so he's he's signaling to you his 2165 02:16:47,190 --> 02:16:51,030 desires. And I can understand where he's coming from. So 2166 02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:55,080 during this and he seems like he's doing okay with that, with 2167 02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:55,740 that model. 2168 02:16:55,859 --> 02:16:59,369 So far, so good, but we would having maturity of more 2169 02:16:59,369 --> 02:17:03,329 services, more wallets, and you know, the mythical green light 2170 02:17:03,329 --> 02:17:08,009 on its way. Yeah, next month, a unicorn. Six months? Yeah. I 2171 02:17:08,009 --> 02:17:08,549 believe it's 2172 02:17:08,550 --> 02:17:14,850 months ago. No, I didn't. weego Six weeks 2173 02:17:14,850 --> 02:17:17,190 ago, for sure. Yes. weeks ago, for sure. 2174 02:17:17,430 --> 02:17:23,760 Yeah. Well, it's yeah, it's come at that. This is what you know, 2175 02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:27,540 on the lightning side of things. I always find it interesting to 2176 02:17:27,900 --> 02:17:32,400 find it humorous to do you, either of us subscribe to the 2177 02:17:32,820 --> 02:17:35,220 lightning mailing list developer mailing list. 2178 02:17:35,219 --> 02:17:39,719 Yeah, I don't read it all the time. Sometimes, like, not 2179 02:17:39,719 --> 02:17:43,769 subscribed. I read everything I read. 2180 02:17:44,130 --> 02:17:46,500 You read it all. You read it all. You read it all. 2181 02:17:46,530 --> 02:17:50,190 There's, there's this there's this funny, passive 2182 02:17:50,190 --> 02:17:52,800 aggressiveness that goes on between the sea lightning people 2183 02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:55,770 and the lnd people. It's all good. 2184 02:17:55,800 --> 02:17:56,610 I'll bet 2185 02:17:57,630 --> 02:18:02,160 somebody will propose somebody from lnd will propose something. 2186 02:18:02,430 --> 02:18:06,330 And then the response from some from the CLSC lining person is 2187 02:18:06,330 --> 02:18:10,380 like, oh, it's interesting that you think that way. You know, 2188 02:18:10,380 --> 02:18:12,390 considering that you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's 2189 02:18:12,390 --> 02:18:16,920 like totally passive aggressive. Oh, yeah. Slow Motion social 2190 02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:18,450 media is what this is gonna 2191 02:18:18,450 --> 02:18:21,270 sound goodness. Yeah. Anyway, mailing list. It's just 2192 02:18:21,300 --> 02:18:24,360 the it's just a young, the whole thing, John, it's just gotten 2193 02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:24,750 Yeah, 2194 02:18:25,260 --> 02:18:28,020 I feel like we haven't ticked off anything off your list from 2195 02:18:28,020 --> 02:18:28,890 last week. Dave. 2196 02:18:30,180 --> 02:18:34,590 The only thing we ticked off of the list was the podcasting. 2.0 2197 02:18:34,590 --> 02:18:37,740 hackathon. Down here and everything else is still there. 2198 02:18:39,600 --> 02:18:42,150 Well, at least we got one off the list. Yeah. 2199 02:18:42,509 --> 02:18:47,339 Oh, wait, window two cuz I had on here. Anchor is getting the 2200 02:18:47,339 --> 02:18:49,319 boot. So we did. We did. 2201 02:18:49,499 --> 02:18:53,399 Yeah, we did do that. Hey, Steven. Man, I feel kind of 2202 02:18:53,399 --> 02:18:56,579 guilty and bad that we still haven't connected in in real 2203 02:18:56,579 --> 02:19:00,059 life. I think what happened is first I think your family got 2204 02:19:00,059 --> 02:19:05,039 COVID And we got COVID. And then you know, other things happened? 2205 02:19:05,069 --> 02:19:06,179 Did you have a kid too? 2206 02:19:06,870 --> 02:19:09,600 No, thankfully, okay, it's enough for me man. 2207 02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:14,970 But we're definitely gonna hang man we got we have to do that. 2208 02:19:14,970 --> 02:19:17,940 There's too many people in this area. We should do a larger hang 2209 02:19:17,940 --> 02:19:18,540 as well. 2210 02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:22,890 Are you going to Podcast Movement? Steven, 2211 02:19:23,249 --> 02:19:26,669 I'm not. And you know what, Mike? Mike Newman was real 2212 02:19:26,669 --> 02:19:30,269 generous and offered me a room but it just doesn't work with my 2213 02:19:30,269 --> 02:19:33,749 schedule to be up in Dallas for a few days. It doesn't work 2214 02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:39,480 with my schedule either believe me? Yeah. Doing shows from hotel 2215 02:19:39,480 --> 02:19:40,470 rooms no good. 2216 02:19:40,499 --> 02:19:43,499 Yeah. And honestly the only reason I'd want to go is to meet 2217 02:19:43,499 --> 02:19:48,929 with the podcasting 2.0 Guys, all that marketing and shaking 2218 02:19:48,929 --> 02:19:52,199 hands with people. That's a that is not my jam. 2219 02:19:55,350 --> 02:19:57,780 Like heard heard chef heard. 2220 02:19:59,639 --> 02:20:03,569 I can If I can do it, I won't say that I like it, but I can do 2221 02:20:03,569 --> 02:20:05,309 it. I can make it work for a few days. I'm 2222 02:20:05,310 --> 02:20:08,100 excited about going and by the way, Dave, I've determined that 2223 02:20:08,100 --> 02:20:11,730 we're not going to split a room. You know, I think you know, I'm 2224 02:20:11,730 --> 02:20:15,330 58 almost like I need my own room your your you need your own 2225 02:20:15,330 --> 02:20:19,770 room. Okay, but maybe we get an air b&b. Maybe we have to see. 2226 02:20:20,310 --> 02:20:22,530 I'm like, is there anything available? We'd like we're way 2227 02:20:22,530 --> 02:20:25,080 too late with this shit, aren't we? Even though we probably 2228 02:20:25,080 --> 02:20:25,710 about this? 2229 02:20:26,069 --> 02:20:27,659 I mean, I'm bringing the tent. 2230 02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:31,320 I wish I still had the Airstream. That would have been 2231 02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:32,130 so much fun. 2232 02:20:34,170 --> 02:20:38,100 I'll put the back of the truck. Yeah, I'm driving. I'm driving. 2233 02:20:38,130 --> 02:20:41,670 I'm driving mostly because I don't I just don't want the 2234 02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:44,010 hassle and the headache of the 2235 02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:48,090 worst. It's not worth I'm not traveling anymore. I'm only 2236 02:20:48,090 --> 02:20:53,310 traveling on if I can get a direct flight somewhere, which 2237 02:20:53,310 --> 02:20:57,480 is not usually is not happening. But otherwise Screw it. I'll 2238 02:20:57,480 --> 02:21:02,340 drive or not go. system is broken. Systems broken. Same 2239 02:21:02,430 --> 02:21:07,290 watch for the headlines. Monday, Fourth of July. Traffic airports 2240 02:21:07,290 --> 02:21:11,910 meltdown, weather, weather and personnel issues. Wet weather, 2241 02:21:12,120 --> 02:21:18,420 weather. Ah, Stephen brother, thank you so much, man. For all 2242 02:21:18,420 --> 02:21:21,300 you do. Thank you for being a big part of this really, really 2243 02:21:21,300 --> 02:21:25,110 is all your all your work is so appreciated, especially 2244 02:21:25,620 --> 02:21:30,720 sovereign feeds, selfishly again. But I think this has been 2245 02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:34,650 so important to have this to be able to create feeds with all of 2246 02:21:34,650 --> 02:21:38,010 the nut job features before they're even fleshed out. Right. 2247 02:21:38,370 --> 02:21:41,550 To run with scissors. I start off by saying you are you are 2248 02:21:41,550 --> 02:21:47,040 the official supplier. Because it's really it's made a huge 2249 02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:49,560 difference in my life. So thank you again, for 2250 02:21:49,559 --> 02:21:52,589 all your way. And thanks, guys. This is a this has been a lot of 2251 02:21:52,589 --> 02:21:56,849 fun. I liked the community that podcasting 2.0 has built up 2252 02:21:56,849 --> 02:22:00,359 around it. And I really I'm excited to start bringing 2253 02:22:00,359 --> 02:22:04,799 musicians into it. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. That's my big 2254 02:22:04,799 --> 02:22:09,539 push with sovereign feeds with the drop box is I really want to 2255 02:22:09,539 --> 02:22:11,549 start seeing value enabled musicians. 2256 02:22:12,450 --> 02:22:14,580 This way. Oh, yeah. I love that. 2257 02:22:14,850 --> 02:22:17,580 Well, that's awesome. With your development process, your 2258 02:22:17,580 --> 02:22:22,080 acumen, you will totally figure it out. Because you adjust that 2259 02:22:22,080 --> 02:22:25,830 UI and the UX to such a degree that it really draws people into 2260 02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:27,090 the app. You're really good at that. 2261 02:22:27,900 --> 02:22:30,960 For sure. Thanks for the compliment. I always worry that 2262 02:22:31,500 --> 02:22:33,630 my changes are for the worse. 2263 02:22:33,960 --> 02:22:40,470 Oh, no. Sometimes they screw up my life incredibly. Okay. That's 2264 02:22:40,470 --> 02:22:44,700 part of it, man. That's what I love. That's what I love. It's 2265 02:22:44,700 --> 02:22:47,220 all the bumps and warts that make it all worth it. 2266 02:22:49,290 --> 02:22:50,790 DAVE Yes, 2267 02:22:50,819 --> 02:22:51,689 I love you Dave. 2268 02:22:52,410 --> 02:22:53,070 I love you, Adam. 2269 02:22:54,210 --> 02:22:56,610 All right, everybody. We'll be back next week with another 2270 02:22:56,610 --> 02:23:00,660 board meeting. And podcasting 2.0 Have a great weekend for 2271 02:23:00,660 --> 02:23:02,730 Fourth of July see you everybody bye bye. 2272 02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:23,160 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 2273 02:23:23,160 --> 02:23:25,560 index.org For more information