Episode 91: Splitting the Tab

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,820 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June 24 2022, episode 91 We're 2 00:00:05,820 --> 00:00:07,020 splitting the time. 3 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:12,210 Friday again, hello everybody. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 It's 4 00:00:12,210 --> 00:00:15,120 a podcast but more importantly, it is the board meaning of 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,420 podcasting 2.0 where we talk about everything happening at 6 00:00:18,420 --> 00:00:22,320 podcast index.org What's going on with the namespace, the 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,260 podcast standards and of course all the brainpower that comes 8 00:00:25,260 --> 00:00:28,770 together at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 9 00:00:28,770 --> 00:00:31,800 the heart of the Texas Hill Country in an Alabama he slays 10 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:35,160 API scrapers with a flick of the wrist my friend on the other 11 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,950 end, please say hello, Mr. Dave Jones 12 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:46,290 We scissor everything we are singing Thank you. We are 13 00:00:46,290 --> 00:00:48,090 scissoring big time today. 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,440 I'm sorry, that sounds completely wrong doesn't 15 00:00:53,460 --> 00:00:57,510 mean this. You got you just rigged it up. I was not 16 00:00:57,510 --> 00:01:00,540 expecting this. I was not expecting you to have new rig 17 00:01:00,540 --> 00:01:04,980 edge. Yes, rig edge is in the studio and 18 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:09,990 Okay, so I might as well explain exactly what's happening. I have 19 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:12,750 the road caster Pro two. 20 00:01:14,790 --> 00:01:17,370 It came in, it came in and 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,660 Okay, so for people listening, they'll be like, Well, it sounds 22 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:24,570 different doesn't sound right. Of course it's not. 23 00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:32,940 Because trying to set the sound of a new device is almost like 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,670 wine tasting, where you taste some wine and you're like, Okay, 25 00:01:38,670 --> 00:01:40,710 I liked that. It didn't like it. But then you have a palate 26 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:43,650 cleanser. You know you have a palate cleanser, or you spit it 27 00:01:43,650 --> 00:01:46,290 out and then wash out your mouth. You can't do that with 28 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:50,460 your ears. You know, or at least not heard no way. First off. 29 00:01:50,580 --> 00:01:54,450 Yeah. What I heard when I first attached to the clean feed was 30 00:01:54,510 --> 00:01:56,490 what sounded to me like 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,840 somebody had drugs. Should I even say it? 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,540 I don't want to pollute the the ear like pollute the mind. 33 00:02:06,540 --> 00:02:09,840 Pulusu if you say what you heard then people will probably take 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,060 take offense. I'm not going to do it. I'm keeping it to myself. 35 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:14,730 Yeah, I'm keeping his mess. I mean, I'm trying to be a Somali 36 00:02:14,730 --> 00:02:19,770 a in it's not that I don't want an audio Somalia. Yes, exactly. 37 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:23,250 Yes. Yes. Yeah. I hate the way it sounds at this moment. It's 38 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:26,700 it sounds boomy, it sounds roomy, I'm not quite sure what 39 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:27,420 to think of it. 40 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,620 But we'll just you know, we'll just do the show. See, see how 41 00:02:31,620 --> 00:02:33,960 we get through it. And then I can adjust stuff accordingly. 42 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:38,550 Well, what is your overall yes impression? Yes. This is what I 43 00:02:38,550 --> 00:02:42,330 wanted to Gosh, it doesn't sound like I'm talking through a 1950s 44 00:02:42,330 --> 00:02:45,960 microphone. Is that just my ears? Now? It does a little bit. 45 00:02:47,550 --> 00:02:49,740 It does a little bit, but it's not a bad thing. No, it's not 46 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:54,360 like Yeah, you sound mostly like yourself to me. Okay. Like, I 47 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,210 don't know exactly what I mean by that. Because I don't know 48 00:02:57,210 --> 00:03:01,920 enough about audio to know what particular things right. Like 49 00:03:01,950 --> 00:03:05,220 your your tone. Yeah. And like, 50 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:07,680 how do I describe 51 00:03:08,850 --> 00:03:13,260 the way it feels like it's EQ and the tone and everything is? 52 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,830 That stuff feels right, that does that does feel right. Okay. 53 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:19,380 Well, this is that's exactly what doesn't sound right. To me. 54 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:20,940 To me. It sounds like 55 00:03:22,140 --> 00:03:23,820 well, then you're probably right. And I'm completely right. 56 00:03:23,850 --> 00:03:27,000 No, no, no, no, no. I mean, it's, again, you know, I have a 57 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,650 hearing problems no matter what. 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:36,300 Okay, here, let me let me do terrible. Half, half as attempts 59 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:39,450 at describing Okay, when you're not your music guy, you know 60 00:03:39,450 --> 00:03:43,980 what, you know what audio sounds like? Okay, it sounds like 61 00:03:45,150 --> 00:03:47,250 you are. 62 00:03:48,690 --> 00:03:51,540 Okay, the difference between you remember how like in the old 63 00:03:51,540 --> 00:03:52,500 days you would have 64 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,410 look on a CRT, 65 00:03:56,970 --> 00:04:00,180 the image would be, well, you could always tell that the image 66 00:04:00,180 --> 00:04:02,640 was slightly on the back of the glass. So there's always a 67 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,300 little bit of distance between the front of the glass and where 68 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:07,260 the image was. 69 00:04:08,490 --> 00:04:12,300 It feels sort of like that, but with audio. It's like it feels 70 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:17,040 like there's a sort of gap between my ears and your voice 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,450 whereas what I'm used to with you is feeling like you're right 72 00:04:21,450 --> 00:04:25,290 in my eardrum like, which is what I want to be. Yeah, of 73 00:04:25,290 --> 00:04:25,680 course. Yeah. 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,490 I'll be honest with you. That's kind of the spot that I'm hoping 75 00:04:29,490 --> 00:04:30,870 for. Yeah. 76 00:04:32,220 --> 00:04:33,090 I feel like you're 77 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:37,650 you know, you're not you're not right up in. You're not You're 78 00:04:37,650 --> 00:04:41,250 not punching my eardrums like you normally. Yeah, I know. 79 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:43,620 Exactly. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's 80 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:46,500 there's something going on. There's something I actually do 81 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:47,400 think it's EQ 82 00:04:49,050 --> 00:04:52,260 because I think although you know, actually I did just a few. 83 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,580 It only has a three band parametric EQ, which is 84 00:04:58,230 --> 00:04:59,970 I wish it were at least five 85 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,060 Over six, you know, because you just can't you can set the bell 86 00:05:03,060 --> 00:05:07,470 curve, but you just can't get to the right. And to me, it just 87 00:05:07,470 --> 00:05:11,190 sounds boomy. I hear the room. You're not hearing that. 88 00:05:12,509 --> 00:05:16,529 I don't really hear maybe I'm not. I don't know what I hear, 89 00:05:16,589 --> 00:05:21,959 honestly. Okay. I don't know what I hear sounds. Normally 90 00:05:21,989 --> 00:05:26,519 you're just so present in the ears. And this feels like 91 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:29,399 there's a little bit of a gap. Yeah, that's what I don't 92 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:31,709 understand. That's so weird. 93 00:05:33,030 --> 00:05:35,520 What? What it what is it about? 94 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:39,180 About the Motu? Well, that 95 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:44,370 well, has that sound? Well, first of all, it's always going 96 00:05:44,370 --> 00:05:48,000 to be the it's going to be the the mic preamp, there's going to 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,230 be a lot of different things. 98 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,910 But it's actually quite a logo, almost a messing around with 99 00:05:53,910 --> 00:05:56,760 stuff while I'm talking. It's a very, it's a very, it's a very 100 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,350 low grade kind of preamp. The whole thing is it's really meant 101 00:06:01,350 --> 00:06:04,380 for for stage monitors. It's not even meant for what I'm using it 102 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:04,770 for. 103 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,680 But it's also I've tweaked it over, you know, years and years 104 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,130 of using it into something that I really love. I mean, it never 105 00:06:14,130 --> 00:06:15,630 happens right away. It's just 106 00:06:17,250 --> 00:06:21,180 goodness. It's just sweet talk and you got to sweet you do you 107 00:06:21,180 --> 00:06:24,330 got to sweet talk. But now let me talk about the device for a 108 00:06:24,330 --> 00:06:27,180 second. Okay, these guys fucking nailed it. 109 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:31,530 They nailed it. Oh, that's not really nailed it. I still have 110 00:06:31,530 --> 00:06:34,200 to get the sound right. But they nailed it. 111 00:06:35,370 --> 00:06:41,310 In fact, it feels very much like the podcast or Pro that Sergio 112 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:46,050 and I built back in the day. It has kind of the same. They can 113 00:06:46,050 --> 00:06:49,800 see they solve things the same way Now, mind you, I saw these 114 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,720 things eight years ago, but okay. 115 00:06:54,210 --> 00:06:57,720 This is this is your Trend your 10 years. Yeah, exactly. 10 116 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,500 years. Your Thank you very much. 10 years too early once again. 117 00:07:04,830 --> 00:07:08,610 Even with the way the way I've got to stop you. I can't help 118 00:07:08,610 --> 00:07:10,080 it. I have to stop you right now. 119 00:07:11,310 --> 00:07:13,920 What you just hit the bell. Yeah, I know. I know what you're 120 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,350 gonna say. And then you heard the noise gate go out. And then 121 00:07:16,350 --> 00:07:18,630 the bell stopped. And then I started speaking you heard the 122 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:24,630 bell in the background. I heard your I actually heard you your 123 00:07:24,630 --> 00:07:31,080 hand. I could hear the the post in the bill going up and down. 124 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:36,660 Where instead of just that instead of just I heard 125 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:42,210 like I can hear that. Yeah, like, that's some and I don't 126 00:07:42,210 --> 00:07:45,150 what is that? What is that's, that's one of those sound 127 00:07:45,150 --> 00:07:45,570 effects. 128 00:07:47,130 --> 00:07:50,940 Okay, but, like that's what I mean. I think there's some 129 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,880 there's way too much compression somewhere something is over 130 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,640 compressed, and I'm picking up the whole room. 131 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,110 It's interesting, because no one else seems to hear that. And was 132 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:04,980 like, No, sounds good. Like, are your neighbors pouring concrete? 133 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:05,640 Exactly. 134 00:08:08,850 --> 00:08:10,710 Okay, sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt though. It's okay. 135 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,690 That's okay. Let me try. Oh, wait a minute. How about this? 136 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,980 This this this? I think I found something. Oh, yeah, I think I 137 00:08:16,980 --> 00:08:19,500 think I found a little magic touch here. Hello. Hello. Hello. 138 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,320 Normally that sounded better. Sounds better. Right? Yeah. 139 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Okay. Ooh, we're catching button. I did. Oh, I'm not gonna 140 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,020 tell you what it was either. Otherwise, you're going to be 141 00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:28,920 touching it baby. 142 00:08:32,730 --> 00:08:35,250 Magic Button. I don't want you to touch it the magic button. 143 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Okay. Now I feel better. That that's really good. Yeah, it you 144 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,990 know what? It's okay. So the part they did really, really 145 00:08:45,990 --> 00:08:50,730 well, which I wasn't expecting was they have a final, you know, 146 00:08:50,730 --> 00:08:54,630 an end, what do they call it the master Compeller. And the master 147 00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:58,590 compiler is, you know, it's basically a it's a it compels 148 00:08:58,590 --> 00:09:00,900 the signal. So you can kind of mash everything together. This 149 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:05,700 is what was missing from every single device. And on the road 150 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:10,110 caster, the original version. They they had it, but it would 151 00:09:10,110 --> 00:09:13,650 only do that in the export of the audio file. I wouldn't do it 152 00:09:13,650 --> 00:09:17,220 live in real time. So now they have it in real time. It you 153 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:20,190 know, I still need to do a few things here. But that was a 154 00:09:20,190 --> 00:09:23,730 magic button that really that made a huge difference. 155 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:29,550 And you're using that button is called the Compeller. The mass 156 00:09:29,550 --> 00:09:32,340 is not just the compiler. It's the master Compeller. 157 00:09:33,570 --> 00:09:37,500 The master compiler and I don't understand this master compiler. 158 00:09:38,130 --> 00:09:40,500 It's like a compressor limiter. It's a compression limiter 159 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:44,280 basically. Now you probably also don't hear me as delayed as you 160 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,730 were thinking before. Does it feel like the CRT screen is 161 00:09:47,730 --> 00:09:50,430 closer now? Does it feel a little bit closer? Yeah, it 162 00:09:50,430 --> 00:09:52,770 feels Yeah, it feels like I've put it feels like I put on 163 00:09:52,770 --> 00:09:54,960 reading glasses. Now. It's just a little bit closer. 164 00:09:57,150 --> 00:10:00,000 Now what I want is that I want it I want it right 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,570 I had him rattle my eyeballs. Yeah, that's where I want to be. 166 00:10:06,390 --> 00:10:10,770 He says, okay, yeah, this is, I'm gonna leave it the way it is 167 00:10:10,770 --> 00:10:13,860 for now. So I'm just gonna get back to my review. Okay, yes, 168 00:10:15,059 --> 00:10:17,489 this thing is completely configurable. You can put it 169 00:10:17,489 --> 00:10:24,179 together however you want. It has three USB interfaces, split 170 00:10:24,179 --> 00:10:29,789 up over two different USBC plugs. So you can split 171 00:10:29,789 --> 00:10:32,069 functionality between two different computers if you want 172 00:10:32,069 --> 00:10:36,299 to. That'd be really, these guys thought of everything we thought 173 00:10:36,299 --> 00:10:41,399 of. I mean, but they went way beyond, because it's in a 174 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:45,929 beautiful box that got faders. And ours was all software, we 175 00:10:45,929 --> 00:10:48,719 were never intending to have a whole physical box with faders 176 00:10:48,719 --> 00:10:49,319 or anything. 177 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:55,380 It's, I have to say, blows me away. And now that I'm starting 178 00:10:55,380 --> 00:10:58,740 to figure out the sound a little better. I'm going to be really 179 00:10:58,740 --> 00:10:59,910 happy with this box. 180 00:11:01,140 --> 00:11:06,090 That I mean, it sounds I can tell about the sound that the 181 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:09,990 sound is there. Like, yeah, it's there. You just got to dial it 182 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:13,860 like the other day. That was no, I didn't have it would never be 183 00:11:13,860 --> 00:11:17,460 there. Now. It didn't have it didn't have it at all. So can 184 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:20,520 you do? So what about the physical interface? Like the 185 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,080 buttons and the triggers? Oh, that was I mean, you're using 186 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,580 any of that. Yeah, I actually I loaded up the cars. 187 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:36,360 Just for use sake, I really want to be able to use the Smart pads 188 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,380 for for instead of a cart deck that I have, because then you're 189 00:11:40,380 --> 00:11:43,380 dealing with yet another screen and with you know, and I was 190 00:11:43,410 --> 00:11:46,800 that's and I basically just had this cart deck open and I mouse 191 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,890 over and I'd click on stuff. I used to have a touchscreen. But 192 00:11:49,950 --> 00:11:52,890 you know, touchscreens are a real pain in the ass and, you 193 00:11:52,890 --> 00:11:55,920 know, your computer reboots. And that, oh, it's misconfigured 194 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,740 memory, how many times you went through that shifts? Yes. 195 00:11:58,770 --> 00:12:02,610 Horrible. You had an iPad at one point where you're triggering, I 196 00:12:02,610 --> 00:12:06,270 think, yeah, but that one had its own problems because it 197 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:07,140 would work through 198 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:13,620 through the network. So it would talk to your to the program on 199 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:16,200 your computer. So you had to be either on you have to be on the 200 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,650 same network segment. And then invariably I go to a hotel and 201 00:12:19,650 --> 00:12:22,380 then you can already imagine how that would go down. Oh, Lord 202 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:26,460 trying trying to route my iPad to trigger something through the 203 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:30,900 hotel network routing? Yes. And that's not going to work. And so 204 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:35,430 that actually, so I haven't loaded in my eyes aren't quite 205 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:39,690 good enough to see exactly what I have to get. Get used to where 206 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:43,830 all the buttons are. That's the most important one. And that 207 00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:48,090 one, of course. So is are these mp3 Is that you load into the 208 00:12:48,150 --> 00:12:51,660 into the hardware. Yeah, there's a software companion software 209 00:12:51,690 --> 00:12:54,810 that you can also you don't need the software at all, you don't 210 00:12:54,810 --> 00:12:57,180 need to hook it up to a computer and the thing will work. 211 00:12:59,610 --> 00:13:04,350 The metering is good as it can be used for anything. You could 212 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:07,560 use it for your band, you could use it to record I mean, I 213 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,920 haven't probably they've got a lot of effects in there, which 214 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,860 will be fun once I've got the actual sound worked out. And 215 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:16,650 that sounds yeah, I've got all that the way I want it, like 216 00:13:16,740 --> 00:13:20,280 demon voice and all that is go EMB you can actually set the 217 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,240 depth. So you know, cuz usually it's kind of lame, these things. 218 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,460 And you know, they have all their standard sound effects and 219 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:30,030 like, Oh, that's so nice. You know, I have a DJ Khaled sound, 220 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:31,650 I ripped that out right away go away. 221 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,190 Like, so could you use it on Linux without any problems? 222 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:42,120 I don't see why not. 223 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,060 That will once I have it working here on the you know, just on 224 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:51,150 the Studio Windows box, then I'm definitely going to try it. I 225 00:13:51,150 --> 00:13:54,780 mean, it seems, it seems like these two interfaces would work 226 00:13:54,780 --> 00:13:57,630 perfectly with whatever you know, is standard. There's 227 00:13:57,630 --> 00:14:01,920 nothing there's nothing fancy about it. So yeah, so then it 228 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,650 would just be a matter of the the other software that I use, 229 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:07,440 which is Windows based, but that I can run in wine, I'm okay with 230 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:07,800 that. 231 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,240 You know, my, my midi control players now with this thing can 232 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,860 also do because now I have a small What is it is a Korg nano 233 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:20,670 controller, which which I use. It's a MIDI controller and I 234 00:14:20,670 --> 00:14:24,930 control eight different players. So if I have clips lined up, I 235 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:28,650 want to do a sequence of things. So that controls that. But I 236 00:14:28,650 --> 00:14:33,090 could also map the faders on the road caster to do that as well. 237 00:14:33,330 --> 00:14:36,360 And how's it mean, how does it do that? Oh, you map it you map 238 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,260 you have to map the you have to map the faders through MIDI and 239 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:45,090 right. Oh yeah, it's all MIDI. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you've 240 00:14:45,090 --> 00:14:49,050 already got that you've got the MIDI setup. Yes. Yeah. But I 241 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:52,890 mean, I might try it with the with the with the road caster 242 00:14:52,890 --> 00:14:56,490 I'll have to see. So but that's, I have to say that's what I like 243 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:59,970 about it's very configurable. You can change you know you have 244 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,470 Was it six faders. And then you can have three virtual faders, 245 00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:08,400 which you can control separately with one knob. I mean, it's 246 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,120 right down to the, you know, if you have an external outputs, 247 00:15:12,330 --> 00:15:15,600 studio monitors which I have a small studio speaker, 248 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:20,790 when you open up the mic speaker goes off close the mic, then the 249 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:23,550 speaker goes on. So that'd be more for like a music program. 250 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,180 Also, if we were listening to a clip, I can talk back to you 251 00:15:27,450 --> 00:15:28,800 outside of the recording. 252 00:15:30,990 --> 00:15:31,920 I know what I mean like 253 00:15:33,390 --> 00:15:38,490 so so if so let's say, just for argument's sake, I'm doing a 254 00:15:38,490 --> 00:15:41,280 music radio show and record is playing and I'm going to have 255 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,440 you on as a guest, I can get you on clean feed, and then I can 256 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,680 talk to you and we can talk to each other outside of the 257 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,760 broadcast. Just by me hitting two buttons, and then I release 258 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,740 them and then I can bring you in on the air. You see what I'm 259 00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:57,150 saying? It's called it's like a talkback. 260 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:02,940 Yeah, like a like an IFBB for a nice show. Yeah, exactly. Right, 261 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:05,760 where I could even whisper something in your ear while 262 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:06,690 you're speaking. 263 00:16:09,540 --> 00:16:12,990 That, you know, but it wouldn't be recorded when we go over the 264 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:16,230 broadcast. Like right if you're like, if you're trying to tell 265 00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:19,950 me not to answer that question from the reporter. Exactly. Or 266 00:16:19,950 --> 00:16:22,410 next time we have a guest and we're like, Oh, dude, like come 267 00:16:22,410 --> 00:16:24,030 on, man. Let's move this guy along. 268 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:31,050 Like that. I mean, that's that's that's pretty sweet. I can 269 00:16:31,050 --> 00:16:34,110 already tell like I want this thing but I can already tell 270 00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:38,430 there's way too much stuff and stuff that I could I could screw 271 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:42,480 up well, okay, so and I'll say they did something else they 272 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,600 have wizard so they do have setup wizard and they have 273 00:16:46,890 --> 00:16:50,700 a standard or a couple of different standard settings that 274 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:54,060 they preset for you. So it'll sound kind of good. I found the 275 00:16:54,060 --> 00:16:57,990 manual to be pretty reasonable. Oh, yeah. Pretty good manual. 276 00:16:57,990 --> 00:17:01,740 It's it's online, but you know, it's put into sections and it's 277 00:17:01,860 --> 00:17:05,400 it's good. Especially for the price I think I was like 500 278 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,810 bucks or something. Now I was hearing that it was 279 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:15,330 the gain was enough to power anything without an external 280 00:17:15,330 --> 00:17:19,290 device. Is that true? On the microphone? You mean? Yeah, like 281 00:17:19,290 --> 00:17:23,880 could it could it power an RT 320 with 100% Lift 100% And it 282 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,050 also in I love this with my poor little ears you can set 283 00:17:28,050 --> 00:17:32,460 different impedance headphones. To the headphones. I have the 284 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:38,100 headphones right now up to five on a scale of 10 Typically I'm 285 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:38,820 at 11 286 00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:42,450 Oh wow. On any other device? Yeah, because I'm deaf. Yeah, 287 00:17:42,450 --> 00:17:45,210 cuz I don't I can't wear my hearing aids. That would be fun. 288 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,950 That would I would really 289 00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:49,950 be really bad. 290 00:17:51,330 --> 00:17:52,500 So you so you can 291 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:57,630 so that's the things got a really killer microphone amp. 292 00:17:57,660 --> 00:18:00,450 Yeah, I mean, the headphone headphone amp or headphone amp 293 00:18:00,450 --> 00:18:03,540 also also Mike app and you know, that's one of their selling 294 00:18:03,540 --> 00:18:06,360 points is you know, you can't you wait until you wait until 295 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:07,170 you see our 296 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:11,190 winter you hear our preamps and again Yeah, you don't need a 297 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:11,970 cloud lifter. 298 00:18:12,990 --> 00:18:16,320 Ah, see that's I've got that in my chain right there right. 299 00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:20,370 Yeah, yes, right here is with either me ended up pulling the 300 00:18:20,370 --> 00:18:22,770 trigger on this after a few months. Dave, you will love this 301 00:18:22,770 --> 00:18:27,510 device. Awesome. Yeah. And he really really well, I'm you 302 00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:30,180 know, I'm still gonna have to you know, bicycle around and 303 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:34,650 twiddle the knobs and you know, figure out exactly what works 304 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,190 but already I'm so much happier now that we found the Compeller 305 00:18:38,190 --> 00:18:42,840 issue that compelled no no go I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, it's 306 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,230 just a I mean, if this is the perfect show, you know full 307 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:50,400 scissors to do this because then you can take you can listen back 308 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,640 to this and figure out what exactly what tweak before you 309 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,490 just unleash it'll no agenda because Exactly. That's when you 310 00:18:56,490 --> 00:18:56,610 get 311 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,100 you don't sound right. 312 00:19:00,990 --> 00:19:04,320 Well, what's interesting is you sign you sound the kind of great 313 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,400 right out of the box. 314 00:19:06,510 --> 00:19:11,040 I mean, that's just normal. Okay, there it is. All right. 315 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,150 Thanks. Make everybody's device sound good. 316 00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:20,580 Everyone's device sounds better with Dave. Yeah, just slide it 317 00:19:20,580 --> 00:19:21,450 in. Yeah. 318 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:25,770 One other thing one other techno bullcrap if you want me to just 319 00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:29,400 pass this along as I got to Starlink that that came 320 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,670 yesterday, this box or the day before yesterday, this box came 321 00:19:32,670 --> 00:19:37,350 today. This is the internet satellite satellite internet 322 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:37,710 from 323 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:40,230 SpaceX. 324 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:45,720 Okay, and you have this you sent me a picture this sitting on top 325 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,240 of your of your generator. Exactly. 326 00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:52,920 So which is perfect combo that's the beautiful, it's exactly what 327 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,250 you want to see. Exactly. So it's really it's like it's 328 00:19:57,330 --> 00:20:00,000 four pieces. What you get a dish you get to stand for 329 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,440 A dish and you have the 330 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:07,920 like Wi Fi router in one, and you put the dish into the stand, 331 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,980 click, you take the wire, you run that into your house, 332 00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:15,330 somehow I just for ease of use, I put everything into the, with 333 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:18,600 the pool equipment is that's inside and I can just open the 334 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,000 garage door and close that don't have to drill a hole yet while 335 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:21,720 I'm testing it. 336 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:27,750 Then you plug the the antenna wire multi plug into the into 337 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:31,440 the base unit, you plug in the power cord, you plug the cord 338 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,340 into the wall, 339 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:38,100 it boots up you they have an app and that app is what you use to 340 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:42,780 configure your network name and your password. And that's it. 341 00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:45,480 And by the time you've done that the satellite dish has already 342 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,880 positioned itself automatically and it works. 343 00:20:49,170 --> 00:20:53,760 So I mean, it was that mind boggling 10 minutes from from 344 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,920 taking the stuff outside to it working. 345 00:20:57,570 --> 00:21:00,600 So you're telling me that like you just you plug the thing in 346 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,860 and it begins to move and zeroes in on the satellite. Yep, the 347 00:21:04,860 --> 00:21:09,450 minute it has power powers. How does it know? How does it do 348 00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:15,150 that? Oh, it's magic, I don't know. Well, so this dish, it's a 349 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,400 rectangular dish. You have to look at it online rectangular 350 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,530 dish, and but it's concaved. And I presume there's some there 351 00:21:22,530 --> 00:21:26,160 obviously there's a motor in there, that mate maybe the GPS 352 00:21:26,580 --> 00:21:29,310 part is in there. That's all I mean, that's all got to be. I 353 00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:32,220 don't know if the transmitters in the little box itself or in 354 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:33,690 the dish, I have no idea. 355 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,700 But the minute has a signal and it knows its own position, it 356 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:41,550 just seems to zero in on everything. 357 00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:47,880 So this, I started to look this up this thing up on SR to Google 358 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,020 it. And 359 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:53,940 first thing I see is SpaceX Starlink, risks becoming 360 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,700 unusable if dish gets 12 gigahertz spectrum 361 00:21:57,780 --> 00:22:02,940 is what what is what does that mean? If if dish, at least on 362 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:06,570 that Dish Network? Yeah. Okay, I think I can explain this. 363 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,180 Now, the Dish Network is going to use 5g at. But that's, I 364 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:17,160 think a 12 to the 12 gigahertz spectrum. Okay, this is going to 365 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,560 be in the same or close to the same spectrum as the SpaceX. So 366 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:26,640 you know, if you have signals on the ground that are blasting 367 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,220 around at the same frequency, the dish is going to pick that 368 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,380 up or it's going to there's going to be a possibility of 369 00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:32,400 harmonics or 370 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,650 it's basically, you have a very weak signal coming down and 371 00:22:37,650 --> 00:22:40,380 going up from space. And then you can have these really strong 372 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:42,930 signals 5g on the ground. 373 00:22:44,790 --> 00:22:46,230 That's the process. That's the 374 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:52,110 it's the same problem that the FAA is claiming they have with 375 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,100 the 376 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:55,830 what is it the 377 00:22:57,150 --> 00:23:02,070 automatic flight systems in aircraft, why they can't have 5g 378 00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:04,590 near the airfield, because that will interfere because those 379 00:23:04,590 --> 00:23:11,070 systems also use a form of that frequency to measure the 380 00:23:11,070 --> 00:23:12,120 distance to the ground. 381 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,670 Says the letter goes on to say a 5g cellular network using the 12 382 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:21,270 gigahertz band would blow out and easily interfere with a 383 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:25,680 consumer Starlink access. Yeah, and they said it wasn't like 70% 384 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,330 or something it would it would it would ruin 77.5% of the time 385 00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:33,480 is what is this interference that causes degraded service 386 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,610 77.5% of the time not to be specific or anything but 77.5% 387 00:23:38,610 --> 00:23:40,770 of the time, bro, just like podcast as 388 00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:47,130 the so like an interesting conversation related somewhat 389 00:23:47,130 --> 00:23:48,630 related to this as I was 390 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,640 from my day job. I was meeting with Verizon rep yesterday, you 391 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,380 know, and he was telling he was telling me that they they're 392 00:23:58,830 --> 00:24:01,200 pretty if I understood him correctly, they're sort of 393 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,610 abandoning that whole initial thought with 5g where they were 394 00:24:05,610 --> 00:24:11,670 going to put like this dense mesh of block by block a 395 00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:15,750 transmitters, Verizon or in general, I think in general, but 396 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:18,420 that was the whole point is to have all these micro cells. I 397 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:20,190 know we haven't been Fredericksburg. They've got 398 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:24,930 micro cell 5g All up and down Main Street. Well, he he's he 399 00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:28,020 said this is sort of a recent thing because Verizon 400 00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:31,230 specifically bought I think what he called the C band. 401 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,790 I don't know exactly what he was talking about. They bought that 402 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,900 from the SEC or well, they license a license that licensed 403 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:43,080 it Yeah, licensed it. They licensed it away. This is the C 404 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,400 band isn't that the old like the huge dishes? No way am I okay, 405 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,470 keep talking. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. I'll see what 406 00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:52,830 okay. He said he said that they they bought this I think he said 407 00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:56,760 the C band and he said that. This allows them to have 5g 408 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,550 speed, five gig 5g speeds 409 00:25:00,329 --> 00:25:06,329 without having to do the block by block mesh thing. And that 410 00:25:06,419 --> 00:25:12,329 that is going to be so much easier because the the CDs that 411 00:25:12,329 --> 00:25:15,899 they were trying to put these dense these mesh things in. Were 412 00:25:15,899 --> 00:25:19,049 like charging them a fortune. They were like, yeah, so they 413 00:25:19,049 --> 00:25:22,709 want to have just one bigger, bigger transmitter to cover a 414 00:25:22,709 --> 00:25:26,009 certain area. Yeah. And he said it's almost he said they're 415 00:25:26,009 --> 00:25:29,159 using their staff. They're just using now that they have this 416 00:25:29,309 --> 00:25:32,939 frequency. He said they can get 5g speeds with just their 417 00:25:32,939 --> 00:25:37,439 standards, antennas they already have on on towers. He said they 418 00:25:37,439 --> 00:25:39,659 don't need to do anything else. They don't need to put any sort 419 00:25:39,659 --> 00:25:45,029 of micro or millimeter wave or whatever this is it. No, I know 420 00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:47,009 they don't have to do it. But they're missing out on a huge 421 00:25:47,009 --> 00:25:50,639 market, I think in that case, because then then they can't do 422 00:25:50,639 --> 00:25:54,929 with the vehicle tracking and pedestrian tracking and all that 423 00:25:54,929 --> 00:26:00,149 stuff. The way he talked about it is the see the downtown areas 424 00:26:00,149 --> 00:26:02,939 and the seniors. These municipalities were charging 425 00:26:02,939 --> 00:26:05,519 them so much money that it wasn't it just wasn't fazed 426 00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:08,789 everybody. Yeah. Everyone thought it was a bonanza. Yeah, 427 00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:13,229 and so they were like, trying to trying to get approvals and pay 428 00:26:13,229 --> 00:26:16,229 off everybody's this now we're just gonna call back. So you see 429 00:26:16,229 --> 00:26:20,939 band is between four and eight gigahertz. So that's not very 430 00:26:20,939 --> 00:26:24,809 high. And so so you can actually go a lot farther with that. 431 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,409 Yeah, I mean, he acted like it was the pennant. He was like 432 00:26:28,409 --> 00:26:31,079 the, you know, the golden egg. They're like, Oh, yeah, we you 433 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,659 know, we're good to go. And we're still going to call it 5g, 434 00:26:33,719 --> 00:26:36,029 even though we've completely changed how it changes 435 00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:39,599 everything. Yeah. Which makes sense to me like Birmingham, 436 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,449 Birmingham, they don't have any of that they don't have any of 437 00:26:42,449 --> 00:26:45,719 that mesh stuff. None of those stuff. None of those was it 438 00:26:45,719 --> 00:26:47,729 really supposed to be mesh, I didn't think it was supposed to 439 00:26:47,729 --> 00:26:50,999 be mesh other than a bit more individual nodes that can do 440 00:26:50,999 --> 00:26:54,089 certain things and have very high throughput at close range. 441 00:26:54,629 --> 00:26:57,599 I'm calling it mesh and that may be the wrong terminology. 442 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:01,920 I'm talking about what you're talking about where you just 443 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,760 have like literally every block has its own little Yeah, okay. 444 00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:10,020 Right. Yeah, just one for the block. Yeah, and you just which 445 00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:13,590 cannot can also be used to heat up your bacon if you're camping. 446 00:27:14,670 --> 00:27:17,910 Stand here and you're good to go. You'll never sleep again. 447 00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:25,380 Hey, the show The show is lit once again. Which means we have 448 00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:29,820 the live item blasting. And we've got people in the in the 449 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,940 chat room and it's this system seems to be working pretty well. 450 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:37,860 I mean, I always follow the podcasts podcast Live account. I 451 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:41,430 think it is. Yeah, I love that thing. It's great. Really fun. 452 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,040 Holy moly. 453 00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:49,260 What just happened here? What what is it? Well, because you 454 00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:52,470 know everything is still new. I don't have the I don't have the 455 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:57,000 booster gram sound potted up. And so I just flipped over to 456 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,780 hell. ypad 457 00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:00,600 Hey, Tarr 458 00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:10,290 just me I gotta count the zeros. Just oops that US 5 million 459 00:28:10,530 --> 00:28:12,390 Satoshis podcast. 460 00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:20,520 Holy crap. Are you serious? Yes, is it and it's for this show for 461 00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:23,940 for the the live the live show. Let me read the boosted ramp 462 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:24,840 Sorry to interrupt. 463 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:26,910 Please. 464 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,470 Pay tar says this is a Bitcoin Public Service Announcement 465 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:35,610 defending freedom money requires eternal vigilance. There will 466 00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:38,190 always be scammy companies out there trying to steal your 467 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:40,860 Bitcoin these charlatans are starting to make their way into 468 00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:45,510 podcast and 2.0 ecosystem. Oh, listen to the advice from Uncle 469 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:48,570 Marty and Uncle Matt. Stay humble stack SATs hold your own 470 00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:52,410 keys. Don't use leverage. Don't yield farm. I love you all go 471 00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:53,310 podcast thing. 472 00:28:58,290 --> 00:29:01,470 Can I have a T shirt? Yeah, you can have a T shirt. 473 00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:07,740 I'll come over there and put it on your pizza. Holy crap. Whoa, 474 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,550 5 million says what is what even is that? As far as like 475 00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:16,410 conversion goes? It's beyond what I do on a daily basis. So 476 00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:26,640 thank you, Peter. I mean, bro. Your bra is like how did the 477 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,640 chip My question is how did the chip was that an app payment? 478 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,520 Because how did that channel survive? I'm actually looking 479 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:32,670 at. 480 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,330 I'm looking at some. That's $1,000 Dave holy cow. Thank you, 481 00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:46,200 brother. Oh my goodness. Do you so let's see. Oh, I'm 482 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,120 dumbfounded by that. This I think is well, bombshell. We 483 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,230 know that's what I'm looking for. 484 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:57,180 Hold on. I'm all messed up. Now. I got I'm on the new rig. You 485 00:29:57,180 --> 00:29:57,840 can't find it. 486 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,420 I see I thought I put big baller in there. I can't imagine that I 487 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:06,840 didn't do that. There's a baller in there in the rig somewhere 488 00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:10,200 it's it's the green button hit it quick Hold on a second. I'll 489 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,660 get your I got your baller right here into this 490 00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:15,990 podcast 491 00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:23,610 shot Carla 20 This blades on I am Paula Oh man. Amazing 492 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:26,850 ambitious 5 million sets get you a t shirt. Yes, yes, yes, 493 00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:30,330 definitely. Crap. Alright, what are we talking about? I 494 00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:33,480 completely I completely lost my train of thought that was 495 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200 excellent way to derail the show please. By all means derail this 496 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,370 puppy that oh man that is fantastically amazed that that 497 00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:45,990 channel survived Um, I'd have to learn real quick to see to see 498 00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:49,740 exactly what's what happened there. Where did that come from? 499 00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:53,010 Did that come out? Let me take a look. I mean, it came from curio 500 00:30:53,010 --> 00:30:55,860 caster. So that went through LNP I guess. 501 00:30:57,450 --> 00:31:01,950 Let me see REO caster. Yeah. So that yeah, that's deaf. That's 502 00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:05,250 that's an LM or maybe it's an lb, maybe it could be lb Yeah, 503 00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:08,130 but we let me see. Let me let me check the channels here. Which 504 00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:10,230 is is kind of my responsibility. 505 00:31:11,610 --> 00:31:14,280 is in the he's in the chat and my feet are Where did where did 506 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,450 that come from? Did that come from? From an lb? Cuz if it came 507 00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:21,180 from Ellen pay, I think we have to get a big chat we get. 508 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,070 We have a 10 million Slack channel with them. Let me okay. 509 00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:32,100 I don't see it yet. Oops. Oh, now all of a sudden, I'm hearing 510 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:36,360 some sputtering noises. You hear that? Eric says it came from his 511 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:36,780 heart. 512 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,660 Let me see if it was through LMP. 513 00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:49,380 Whereas LM, yeah, that went through LMP. Ellen pay, okay. 514 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,430 Yeah, yeah. 515 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:57,090 Okay. If anyone wants to try and top this, please don't do more 516 00:31:57,090 --> 00:32:00,930 than 1,000,370 SATs because that's what we still have left 517 00:32:00,930 --> 00:32:04,140 in the channel. This thing we got. We got to rebalance this or 518 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:06,990 something. Roi balances. Roi. 519 00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:12,900 Nice. Thank you, Peter. That's That's fantastic. Amazing. Well, 520 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,570 so yes, that's what I was saying. The show was lit that 521 00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:18,810 and the minute I said that, boom, that happened crazy. 522 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,850 Oh, well. 523 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,030 Yeah, they kind of they kind of threw me off there. 524 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,200 So do we want to talk about the 525 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,720 want to pick up with the value for value? The the ethics? Yeah, 526 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,590 we have a couple of things to discuss. One of them? Well, 527 00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:40,890 first of all, I would maybe we should we kind of buried the 528 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:44,580 lede here. For me, the news of the day, congratulations to 529 00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:48,810 Oscar and the team at fountain. What a great article in Bitcoin 530 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:52,890 magazine. You know, for sure, of course, they forgot to mention 531 00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:58,800 podcast and 2.0 and us, but it's okay. That's actually I'm 532 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,090 actually very happy because it it, it just looks like it's 533 00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:07,080 something that's mainstream, you know? Yeah. I'm always happy 534 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,220 when other people tell our story. And so this is the 535 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,470 well, it, I guess it it kind of launched as a get paid for 536 00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:19,680 listening to ads, but then it became or maybe that was the 537 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,310 original intent. And then it morphed into, well, you know, 538 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:26,340 you get sad for listening to certain shows that are promoted 539 00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:30,120 certain shows get a five times and the gamification just like 540 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,770 brother started to blow my mind about how cool that is. Yeah, 541 00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:39,960 yeah. He had given us a heads up on it the other day and then 542 00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:44,730 see, it was good to see the reception and appreciated pod 543 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:45,690 land yesterday. 544 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,090 Because of the juxtaposition between Yes, the 545 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,040 what it was like the eighth the eighth, so that was very hard to 546 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,070 find. Yeah, that was very hard to follow that conversation. I'm 547 00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:01,800 glad Sam understood it because I'm just like, Why did how does 548 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,580 this entity there? Yeah, it's funny, but he seemed he seemed 549 00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:08,610 very mean about Bitcoin unnecessary. Maybe I just 550 00:34:08,610 --> 00:34:12,090 interpreted it that way. Yeah, I was having a hard time following 551 00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:15,210 that whole thing, too. Because it seemed it seemed like it was 552 00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:17,700 going to be something open and it sounded very proprietary. 553 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:20,910 Yeah, I didn't really understand but then, you know, then Oscar 554 00:34:20,910 --> 00:34:23,610 came with, you know, talking about fountain and it just, 555 00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:27,420 it's, it's this, it's just open. I mean, I'll just, everything's 556 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:31,170 just open. I mean, like, it just uses lightning. And in plugs 557 00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:34,650 into this. I mean, obviously stuff within, you know, within 558 00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:37,680 in his system, paying back for listening and that kind of 559 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,260 thing. That's, you know, his own deal. It's kind of cool, though, 560 00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,540 when you're when you're listening to a podcast, and then 561 00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:45,090 you see this counter at the top, which is going you know, you 562 00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:48,480 don't I don't exactly know the speed at it, but it's like click 563 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,330 Satoshi. Satoshi. Satoshi. There's something very exciting 564 00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:54,960 about doing that. And then I also listened to one of the ads 565 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,030 and it went click, click, click, click clicking okay, that's, 566 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,970 there's something cool about that payback. 567 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,170 Next system and of course for onboarding people, so they have 568 00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:08,070 some SATs so they can get that value for value joy. Before you 569 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:11,760 end buying your your first Bitcoin I, you know, I'm 570 00:35:12,929 --> 00:35:15,749 I'm typically not a fan of buying customers it's you know, 571 00:35:15,749 --> 00:35:19,049 it's like a very subsidizing it's a very Silicon Valley kind 572 00:35:19,049 --> 00:35:23,399 of way to do it. But in the context of value for value kind 573 00:35:23,399 --> 00:35:27,269 of works, it felt comfortable. It felt good. It also felt 574 00:35:27,269 --> 00:35:27,929 exciting. 575 00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:37,200 Yeah, I think I think it's nice to have a way to, to have a sort 576 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:37,590 of 577 00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:42,690 false it, but without it being. Yeah, without being an actual 578 00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:47,370 faucet that someone has. Yeah, it's a faucet for engaging in a 579 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:50,820 community rather than just a faucet for just just like a 580 00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:54,060 traditional a come, we'll just give you some stuff. And you 581 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:56,820 actually have to do, you got to sit there and do so you got to 582 00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:58,020 work on a piece of work. 583 00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:03,300 Exactly. Perfect. I mean, it's a little me it's a little chancy. 584 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,290 But it's, it's kind of true, though, right? Because you're it 585 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:10,470 you know, it's easy to do 100% proof of work. I completely 586 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:15,420 agree. That's spot on. Yeah. I mean, I'm like you, I just 587 00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:19,380 congrats to those guys. And I really, yeah, exploring all of 588 00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:22,770 this stuff and trying to make it work. And I think the day when 589 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:23,670 they launched it, 590 00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:28,560 I think there must have been a lot of SATs flowing. Because, 591 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,340 you know, we got a significant amount of I mean, not our 592 00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:36,990 typical seven or $12 a day, he was more than that it was an I 593 00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:39,840 don't know if that was a combo, someone else out there doing 594 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,020 some kind of, you know, crazy lit stuff or what that was, but 595 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:45,600 it was, I don't know, if there was something going on there. 596 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,330 Yeah, we get, we get a daily thing from the node every, every 597 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:55,080 morning that shows you know how much income for the last day 598 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,990 from SATs and it's dip, you know, like on a show day or day 599 00:36:57,990 --> 00:37:00,780 after show day, it'll be you know, it'd be higher book, you 600 00:37:00,780 --> 00:37:04,560 know, have a 50 bucks or something like that, but then on 601 00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:05,940 a tip and 602 00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:09,600 that's also boosts that come in during the show. It's not just 603 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,890 the 1% No, that's, that's every but it was like it was like a 604 00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:16,650 Tuesday or Wednesday or something. It's like, oh, okay, 605 00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:19,980 that's different. Yeah, cuz that's normally like $3, you 606 00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:24,000 know? Exactly. Exactly. Bugs. Oh, wait, somebody launched 607 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,650 something that's kind of cool to to see that happen, is where, 608 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,720 where you see on a random day where it's normally, you know, 609 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,470 three to $5 worth of for the past 24 hours, and all of a 610 00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:41,070 sudden, it's 20. You're like, whoa, okay, something happened. 611 00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,980 I don't know what that was. But it's neat. It's neat, sort of 612 00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:47,550 see those tremors in the in the lightning ecosystem. It's pretty 613 00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:51,360 cool. There's, there's so much data to go through and to figure 614 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,510 out where stuff is happening where it's coming from. Yeah. 615 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,850 In I don't know about. 616 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,570 I don't I don't know how this maybe relates. But 617 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:07,020 I know that there was a lot of talk this week on the index 618 00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:13,380 about the fees? And how Yes, you know, fee, should you should you 619 00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:16,740 put the fee on top? Let me get us started. Get out of the I 620 00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:20,280 know the genesis of the conversation, because I because 621 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,970 I found myself, you know, entrenched in it and also 622 00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:26,490 bothered in a way by some of the things I was thinking or 623 00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:31,320 hearing. And there was a conflict, we conflated something 624 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:35,220 on the previous episode, at the end, we're talking about no 625 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:38,670 agenda tube, and how no agenda tube can get paid. 626 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:43,020 or have some kind of split somehow for the bandwidth and 627 00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,140 the storage of the usage. And 628 00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:49,950 and I think as part of that we were talking about, 629 00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:55,410 you know, no agenda tube also creates a feed for everybody. 630 00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:58,260 And in that feed, there'll be an automatic split, which will be 631 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,990 or a fee, that's kind of irrelevant for the moment, it'll 632 00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:06,060 be 20%. And, and, you know, so we were kind of bantering about 633 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,430 how would that work? And if someone you know, and we also 634 00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:11,160 got outside of the value for value concept, and we're I think 635 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,430 we're a little too wrapped up in it. Oh, yeah. You know, people 636 00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:18,480 just stream SATs, you know, there's still a programming 637 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,300 element that has to come along with it. And and when I say 638 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,450 programming, I mean from a podcast or someone, you know, 639 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,420 asking, you need to ask, it's not all just automatic. 640 00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:32,250 But what happened then, is, there was a conversation on the 641 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:36,330 social, and Stephen B was talking about taking 20% 642 00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:42,360 For curio caster, to which I said, Well, if there's any app 643 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,490 out there that's going to insert and take 20%. You know, I don't 644 00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:48,630 have control over that. 645 00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:52,680 An app could take 50% 646 00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:55,800 Now, I wouldn't be happy with that. 647 00:39:57,060 --> 00:40:00,000 So that's kind of where it came in to me is like well 648 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,250 Oh, how does that work? I mean, then, I mean, the feed is the 649 00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:06,210 source of truth. 650 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,490 But it's not really true because there's still an open element, 651 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,440 and anybody could usurp that or do whatever they want. And it 652 00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:18,840 doesn't have to be evil. It's it. You know, it's just all I 653 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,400 mean, if he feels that curio casters worth 20%, but that 20% 654 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,840 is 20% I'm not getting and, you know, I personally feel that's 655 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,820 too much. So that, to me, is the crux of it. Not so much as who 656 00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:35,550 pays for it is about who pays for it. 657 00:40:37,230 --> 00:40:41,850 Because, you know, there's a user who's using the app. And 658 00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:46,890 they're presumably using it for free. And there's the money that 659 00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:51,180 the user wants to send. And the user needs to be aware of that. 660 00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:53,760 It's not just for the podcaster. But it's also for the 661 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,150 infrastructure, including the app you're using. So are we 662 00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:00,810 talking about a best practice? Are we talking about, you know, 663 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,780 something that can be regulated something that the podcast or 664 00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:07,440 control, something the user can control? We're missing an 665 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,350 essential piece, even though I love everybody and trust 666 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:11,850 everybody. I mean, 667 00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:19,710 I look at breeze and I say, 5%, it's high, but they're really 668 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,890 giving you a full lightning node. And there's a whole bunch 669 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:25,500 of other things you can do with that, which is clearly related 670 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:30,990 to money. And I'm okay with it. If it was 20%, I wouldn't be 671 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:31,710 okay with it. 672 00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:33,120 But 673 00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:38,160 here's, here's the way it feels to me. So if the percentage of 674 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,180 what it is, 675 00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:47,790 is whatever, the podcast app creator thinks that they need. 676 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:53,040 We're waiting. What do you mean, the percentage have? You got to 677 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,520 expand on that? Of who? Yeah, so. So if you have a, if you 678 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:02,340 have a, let's just say, you have podcast, podcast addict, okay. 679 00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:07,290 And I noticed this better. Let's say it's a pod friend, you know, 680 00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:14,040 Mark Martin has, is not making money on pot for him. So he 681 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,730 looks around one of these days. And he says, okay, in order to 682 00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:20,970 monetize this and make it a sustainable business, I see that 683 00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:24,810 we're getting this many donations, through boost and 684 00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:30,960 booster grams. And I want in, I could make this a monetize, I 685 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,220 could make this a career, sustainable organ organization, 686 00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:40,200 if I took 40% of all boost and boosted drives, right. 687 00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:41,730 Then, 688 00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:46,800 if that's if that's what he needs in order to make a go of 689 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,010 it, 690 00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:53,310 I'm fine. I'm fine with that, is because for a couple of reasons 691 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,750 he's making he's making the decision if that means that he 692 00:42:57,750 --> 00:43:03,930 has a more compelling app, the people, Mike, that people love 693 00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:11,430 and migrate to. And he's doing that for 40%. Well, then, we'll 694 00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:16,920 the ecosystem ends up with an awesome app. And if people 695 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,390 understand that he's taking that much on both the Creator side 696 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:25,080 and the listener side, women, how did you do it on both sides? 697 00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:28,830 No, I mean, I mean, if people on the Creator side if the creators 698 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:29,370 understand that. 699 00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:33,870 Yeah. And the listeners understand he's taking 40%. 700 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,070 They are also going to make decisions based on that as well. 701 00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:44,400 And he may he he may lose listeners. I agree. Okay, so now 702 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,560 we're into the next part. The next part ID is at 40%. fee. So 703 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,760 that means 40% is gone, and then the 60% gets split up, or is it 704 00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:00,900 40% of the 100%? It? So this is a good the way it's a critical 705 00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:03,810 difference, I think, Oh, I do too. And that was the credit. 706 00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,240 That was the criticism of understood it from hard hat was 707 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,050 he was talking about fountain. Yeah. And he he, I don't know 708 00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:16,290 this. I'm going to accept that this is the case. Maybe you can 709 00:44:16,290 --> 00:44:19,410 confirm this, that fountain. He was saying that fountain takes 710 00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:24,810 their fees on top of the 100%. I don't know. And I don't know, 711 00:44:24,810 --> 00:44:25,200 either. So 712 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,550 that's part of the problem is that has to be really clear. 713 00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:35,460 Right? So if we can do it's totally doable. Well, and I 714 00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:38,580 don't think Oscar is trying to hide it. I mean, I don't think 715 00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:40,290 he's being dishonest at all. No, not at all. 716 00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:46,290 So the way that it was envisioned in the spec, is that 717 00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:48,570 fees were always taken out of the 100%. 718 00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:53,640 So what would happen is, and I'm going to describe the 719 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,700 calculation this is all happening, you know, in state 720 00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:59,970 and fast. But what is that mean? 721 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,270 When a payment is, is constructed it the splits. So 722 00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:11,460 the listener says, Okay, I want to send 100 SATs per minute. 723 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,550 Let's just do that for round numbers. I want to do 100 SATs 724 00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:20,910 per minute. There's a, there's two splits to actual splits non 725 00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:25,440 fee splits in there. Okay. One for you at 50%. One for me at 726 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,940 50%. Yeah. And I'm then then it's immediately going to get 727 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,640 that adds, you know, you take that and say, okay, 5050, then 728 00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:40,110 you, then there's a third, let's say there's a third fee split in 729 00:45:40,110 --> 00:45:44,190 there for 10%. Well, then, what it's going to do is it's going 730 00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:47,520 to take, the software would take 100 SATs, 731 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,060 subtract 10% of 100. From that, so it would take 10 SATs off the 732 00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:54,630 top. 733 00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:58,980 But, but what's happening is that now the podcaster is 734 00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:00,420 subsidizing the listener. 735 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,750 Which is okay. But it's how is the podcaster subsidizing the 736 00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:10,590 listener, because the listener is paying in the envelope, and 737 00:46:10,590 --> 00:46:12,570 the listener is paying for everything. 738 00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:16,500 Whether they like the app or not, they're there. They're 739 00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,710 paying for the app. And they, you know, you'd have to go look 740 00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:23,820 at the split to see what is being taken. So if it's a if 741 00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:25,260 it's 100, Satoshis. 742 00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:29,070 Intended for the podcaster. 743 00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:34,680 Let me see if I can say this differently. 744 00:46:37,110 --> 00:46:37,830 You, 745 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:44,100 the app is good. The apps are built both for the users 746 00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:48,810 typically. But they of course, you it's like chicken in the 747 00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:52,890 egg. Does the app exist without the content? Does the content 748 00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:57,480 flow without the app? So who is paying for the usage of the app? 749 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,790 Who is using the app? In this case, the podcaster is 750 00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:08,820 subsidizing it or is is giving part of their? I don't know, I 751 00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:11,640 don't know the answer. There's a there's a payment to the 752 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,120 production and to the Creator. And there's a payment for the 753 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,530 index, and there's a payment for the app. And I think in your 754 00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:24,450 scenario of okay, this app charges too much. That's great 755 00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:26,460 for a listener to decide. 756 00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:30,930 But do they really care if if they're just giving 100 SATs? 757 00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:34,470 And that's it that you know, okay, so this app takes 40%? I 758 00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:38,580 don't care, maybe they do. But if it's if it's really value for 759 00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:41,940 value, then that almost should be a separate thing outside of 760 00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:46,200 the outside of the split? You know, I'm saying? I think I 761 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,870 think what we're doing here is rehashing things that we've 762 00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:52,770 already that we already sort of talked about a while back, or or 763 00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:55,740 that were there at the beginning. And we've maybe 764 00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:58,170 forgotten that they were there and that we already sort of 765 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:01,440 figured it out. Because what what happened at the beginning, 766 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,130 as we said, 767 00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:04,950 you know, there's a separate 768 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:09,420 there's, there's gonna be a fee, the apps gonna take a fee, they 769 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:13,170 can they can decide what that fee is. The critical part is 770 00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,020 they have to, they just have to be transparent about it. 771 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:20,130 Everybody has to know, to say, Okay, everybody knows, but 772 00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:23,370 everybody knows where he is. But here's the thing. If if I know 773 00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:26,220 that curio caster is taking 40% 774 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:31,620 I'm glad by the way he's not taking just to be clear, he's 775 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:33,900 not taking he's only taken 3%. But 776 00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:37,440 for people listening, I don't want the Oh no, no, no one's 777 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,340 doing this is taken. But yeah, okay. But curio caster, Steven B 778 00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:46,860 specifically mentioned 20%. So I find that it's talking about in 779 00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:51,060 a to taking 20%. No, in the conversation in the thread, 780 00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:54,180 that's where it started. But in the thread, it came down to 781 00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:58,200 well, why would I charge 20%? As a hypothetical? 782 00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:02,580 I don't know how, okay, as a hypothetical, it doesn't matter 783 00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:05,850 if it's hypothetical. If that happened, I would probably tell 784 00:49:05,850 --> 00:49:10,200 people try a different app. Use a different app. This guy's 785 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,330 taken money from me, I think it's too much you really think 786 00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:15,210 it's worth it used that app? It's strife that I don't want to 787 00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:20,490 have? I don't want to have that. But I don't think you can see 788 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,340 it. No, I know you can't control it. But we might as well talk 789 00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:26,730 since something that happened there bothered me and other 790 00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:29,460 people were also and there's still different opinions. 791 00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:35,400 I mean, it's okay, so how about this, okay, just for the same 792 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,140 reason, we insert 5%. Now, because I think what we're doing 793 00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:41,460 is just that valuable. 794 00:49:43,230 --> 00:49:45,930 And when you know, what will everybody agree with that? 795 00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:49,200 There's going to be apps out there if we and this is what I 796 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,870 said, this is the mark, the marketplace will correct that. 797 00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:57,480 Because if we if we did that, I guarantee you that some apps 798 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,000 would stop sending that because it's completely volun 799 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,090 theory, like the, the way that if what I meant by start to say 800 00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:09,870 you can't control that what I meant is, that's not exactly 801 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:13,290 accurate, you actually can control it somewhat by the power 802 00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:17,130 of the microphone. You can tell your your leg. That's exactly 803 00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:19,140 what, that's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah. 804 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,550 But I'd like Yeah, but But what what I was trying to get at 805 00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:26,490 those like, I'm agreeing with you that you can you can exert a 806 00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:30,060 measure of control over that influence. But what I was 807 00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:35,220 intended to say was that you, you can't stop them from doing 808 00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:40,470 it. No, of course, they what what will stop people from 809 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,950 charging exorbitant fees is 810 00:50:45,150 --> 00:50:48,750 they know, they know that everybody knows about it, and 811 00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:53,160 everybody takes a dim view of it. And some, for some people 812 00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:57,150 like it, I don't see it any different is the way it works 813 00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:02,430 today. Like for me, some apps that charge subscriptions aren't 814 00:51:02,430 --> 00:51:07,200 worth it. And I just don't use the app. But some, some apps 815 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,010 that charge monthly subscriptions, I get enough out 816 00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:14,490 of it to where I'm like, okay, you know, and I'll pay it and 817 00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:16,920 understand what you're saying that that comes out of your 818 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,260 bottom line. But then what? What if your audience knows that 819 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,350 that's your responsibility to let the audience or our 820 00:51:25,350 --> 00:51:28,770 responsibility, let the audience know that and say, you know, 821 00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:32,610 hey, by the way, if you're using such and such app, just 822 00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:34,740 remember, they take you know, they take a higher percentage. 823 00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:37,380 So if you're pinging against send us money, just like you do 824 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:40,950 with PayPal, or Patreon or anything like that, you say, you 825 00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:45,420 know, hey, you know, subscribe to us, send us a send us some 826 00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:49,110 money on paypal. Remember, if there's a credit card, you know, 827 00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:52,380 remember the credit card fees is to comes out of our neck comes 828 00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:55,800 out of our pocket. Thank you. And there's there's exactly one 829 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,610 of the problems. 830 00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,550 It's a marketing issue. 831 00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:04,080 This is what hardhats problem was, he was like, Hey, I thought 832 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,630 it was sending this to the podcaster. That's bullshit. That 833 00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:08,280 is that you're taking part of that. 834 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,510 That's obviously not how it's set up. And you're just gonna 835 00:52:12,510 --> 00:52:13,380 have to live with that. 836 00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:17,940 I just 837 00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:24,210 historic? I don't know, I do. We should just do whatever. I have 838 00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:26,850 no idea how to how to solve this. It comes down. You're 839 00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:34,500 right. Yes. I'd like the apps to be transparent about it. And 840 00:52:35,310 --> 00:52:38,190 I'm, you know, it's very small letters everywhere. 841 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:43,320 And I don't know the fees of every single app. I just I don't 842 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,570 know. And to be honest, you know, credit card fees, although 843 00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:51,990 there's no credit card involved, you know, it's 3%. You know, we 844 00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:56,970 could be looking at 789 10%, that could turn some people off, 845 00:52:56,970 --> 00:52:59,130 if you tell them how much you're taking, you know, I'm saying 846 00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:02,790 it's like, this is a transitionary period. And we've 847 00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:05,970 never had dealt with this kind of flow in the value for value 848 00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:06,630 chain. 849 00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:11,910 So if anything, we need a lot of education from the app 850 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:15,030 developer, so people understand exactly how it works. And more 851 00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:18,090 importantly, why. Because that was the exception I took to 852 00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:21,600 heart hat is like he basically wants to use that app for free. 853 00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:25,200 He says, I don't care that I'm using that app. And I'm 854 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,270 paraphrasing, that may not be all he feels at all. That's how 855 00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:34,530 it came across. So yeah, if so, I don't want to use Patreon. For 856 00:53:34,530 --> 00:53:38,490 anything I do. Because I know that and I'm not saying they're 857 00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:41,190 bad guys, it's just that they charge high fees. Yes. And I 858 00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:44,040 really just don't, I don't want to deal with I don't want to 859 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,780 donate, I don't want to donate $10 to a podcast and know that, 860 00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:53,250 ya know, to $2 goes to Patreon or wherever to Patreon. Yeah, I 861 00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:56,910 don't want that. And so I choose not to use it. And it's the same 862 00:53:56,910 --> 00:54:00,810 way with a podcast app. If I if I as the listener know that a 863 00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:04,350 particular podcast app charges a rate that I'm uncomfortable 864 00:54:04,350 --> 00:54:08,070 with, I'll just stop using it and and find a different app. 865 00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:12,210 But you know, Oscar had a great a great point he's with with 866 00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:15,840 with with high fat, he was like, you know, you the fees go away. 867 00:54:15,870 --> 00:54:18,600 We don't charge fees, if you sign up for for the premium for 868 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,230 their monthly thing. And to me, that's fine too, as like, you 869 00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:23,970 know, that makes sense. Well, you 870 00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:29,310 make money somehow and in we're giving you these two options so 871 00:54:29,310 --> 00:54:33,210 that we're giving you an option so that you can you're in order 872 00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:36,210 to be a success. And that goes this goes back to the very 873 00:54:36,210 --> 00:54:41,580 beginning of what we have what we intended to do is everybody 874 00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:46,710 makes money. This time the app has to make money. Tote app has 875 00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:49,320 to be sustainable, of course, I mean, this was the original 876 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,210 concept. It just when I read stuff about 20% I just like shit 877 00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:56,850 now we're gonna have to go and argue about that on shows and 878 00:54:56,850 --> 00:54:59,970 stuff like that and I just don't want it you know, and do it 879 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,010 Find 5% acceptable maybe? 880 00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:04,530 Now, 881 00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,380 remember, we're getting 1%. 882 00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:11,940 Right? And we're in, you're doing a fuckload of work. 883 00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:17,820 Yeah. But that, you know if and No, no, no, no, no. And there's 884 00:55:17,850 --> 00:55:20,790 no there's one other thing, people are looking at absolute 885 00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:21,810 numbers right now 886 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,790 that all the money is shit, no one's making any actual gobs of 887 00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:29,430 money here, particularly now that you know that we see the 888 00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,790 prices down, because it's not like the Well, in our case, we 889 00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:36,780 happen to have one person who understood the the new exchange 890 00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:38,880 rate, thank you very much, hey, dar. 891 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,880 But, you know, so I just don't want people raising their their 892 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,320 rates, because if they, you know, 893 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:51,090 the same rate as if bitcoin goes down, then the rates go up, you 894 00:55:51,090 --> 00:55:53,400 know, it just felt like rate inflation was creeping in, 895 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,190 because people want to make money, they're not making money 896 00:55:56,190 --> 00:56:01,620 yet, but I've seen our 1% as the long game, and it may be 10 897 00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:04,950 years, that will be actually kind of my timeline. And then 898 00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:08,220 then there will be enough, there'll be enough mass. So I 899 00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:12,210 don't want to scare people away with high fees. I guess that's 900 00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:15,870 what I'm saying. And, you know, it just feels like 5%, I think 901 00:56:15,870 --> 00:56:18,570 is a lot of money. And a lot. It's a high percentage 902 00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:24,300 per user. But I'm not complaining. But I'm just 903 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,450 saying, I find it a lot. If you want to compare all the work and 904 00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:30,360 what everybody feels, I may feel a little differently about the 905 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,170 index fee. 906 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,970 It's funny how much I disagree with you on this, like, 907 00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:42,720 maybe not, it's not really about the the framing of it, but just 908 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,100 about sort of how it just doesn't bother me at all. As a 909 00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:48,300 matter of fact, I want 910 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,670 people are want apps to start charging, start experimenting 911 00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:58,800 with charging wacky fees, to see a bit of a fee, but the wacky 912 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,130 fee is being what's the see what happens is as a creator, I'm 913 00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:05,670 like, Oh, that was a fun experiment. I just got 5% or 914 00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:09,060 10%. Less. So that was fun. Don't you have to understand 915 00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:13,740 from my side as a creators like, well, what are we doing? Now say 916 00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:17,340 I'm a creator to now. And so and it comes out of our out of my 917 00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:22,650 pocket, too. And I'm not, I'm not, to me, now is the time to 918 00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:28,230 do it. Now's the time when, when a lot of podcasters are going to 919 00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:33,060 may be going to this as as a expansion of their monetization, 920 00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:38,370 or they're sampling it in order to figure out if this is viable. 921 00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:44,160 That the this is the time for there to be all sorts of Wildcat 922 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,210 craziness so that we can figure out because here's, here's, 923 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,770 here's, I think I think I just realized what my what my 924 00:57:52,770 --> 00:57:56,880 thinking is. Because we've we've been under the impression the 925 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:04,770 entire time that okay, 5%, or 3%, or 1% is enough to sustain 926 00:58:04,770 --> 00:58:09,240 an app. But what if it's not? Well, at scale that this is this 927 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,870 is part of what I'm saying is I think people are looking at, I'm 928 00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:15,330 not making any money on this. And you're certainly not making 929 00:58:15,330 --> 00:58:20,220 a lot of money since Bitcoin went down by you know, 60 60%. 930 00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:24,330 So that's much less. So I don't want to see these fees to get 931 00:58:24,330 --> 00:58:27,420 out of control. Because people want absolute numbers, we only 932 00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:31,680 have seven or seven and a half 1000 podcast that are using this 933 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,160 at all, we need 70,000 And then all of a sudden, it's going to 934 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,570 be a lot more attractive. All I'm saying here is in the let's 935 00:58:39,570 --> 00:58:43,740 do it. Now I agree. And And right now, what I'm doing is I 936 00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:48,360 do not have a market forces tool in this equation. The app has 937 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,850 the tool, they can determine what they want to charge, I 938 00:58:50,850 --> 00:58:54,240 can't determine what the person is going to charge to. And I'm 939 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,940 saying I have no way to fight back other than when my 940 00:58:56,940 --> 00:59:00,240 microphone, which is an inherently negative approach, I 941 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,390 don't want to have to be telling people don't use that because I 942 00:59:03,390 --> 00:59:07,680 disagree with the fee. I'd like to try and find a way to 943 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,960 circumvent that, or to 944 00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:13,350 kind of do something else. 945 00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:19,680 I'd rather signal to an app, like I'm willing to give you 5% 946 00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,790 versus you take whatever you want. And I'll just have to see 947 00:59:23,790 --> 00:59:26,580 when it happens. I don't feel like I'm a participant in a 948 00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:27,120 market. 949 00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:32,940 I understand. I understand exactly what the what you're 950 00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:37,170 describing you. What you're describing is, is you know, when 951 00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:40,200 you say it, I don't want to get involved in the negativity to 952 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,050 try to fix up. Well, that's the only way that's the only way I 953 00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:46,020 can participate in the in the pricing market of what I'm going 954 00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:48,930 to ultimately receive or the splits that I've determined 955 00:59:48,930 --> 00:59:52,470 which I love. I love that I can determine what goes where. But I 956 00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:56,850 don't I don't. Right but I don't know that it necessarily has to 957 00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:59,970 be negative because what you what you say like 958 01:00:01,050 --> 01:00:07,380 Imagine a future scenario where there's seven, seven podcast 959 01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:10,680 apps that are sort of in the ecosystem doing value for value. 960 01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:15,750 And you as the podcaster are getting SATs from a sprinkling 961 01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:19,230 of each one of them all the time. And you noticed that one 962 01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:24,210 of them, you become aware that one of them has up is up their 963 01:00:24,210 --> 01:00:28,110 fees. Also 25% The becoming aware part we still have to work 964 01:00:28,110 --> 01:00:31,860 on but yeah, okay. For argument's sake, yes. Yeah. 965 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,420 Well, so I mean, it'll become obvious from looking at what 966 01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:40,680 comes through, you know. And so if you, if you find that out, 967 01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:43,920 and you say on your show, you know, hey, if you're using this 968 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:49,350 app, they take 25%. Just please keep that in mind when you boost 969 01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:52,590 that. That doesn't, that doesn't even have to be necessarily 970 01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:55,890 negative. That's just to say, That's reminding you That's 971 01:00:55,890 --> 01:01:00,000 telling your audience, hey, this app is charging this much. And 972 01:01:00,150 --> 01:01:03,060 the thing is, this is what I was trying to say while ago, maybe 973 01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:07,170 they need to charge that much. Maybe the app in order in order 974 01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:10,080 to let me finish the other real quick. Maybe the app needs to 975 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:16,740 charge that much. And if they do, and nobody else does, then 976 01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,400 they won't survive. And the problem corrects itself. Because 977 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,460 they've overspent and their overhead is wrong, and they 978 01:01:23,460 --> 01:01:27,120 can't get their business. They can't get their their 979 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,470 monetization strategy. Correct. Okay. So the problem here is, 980 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,310 they're not charging, they're not changing the amount of the 981 01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:39,630 actual user, the pod, the creator is paying for the user. 982 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,330 For the users fee, really. 983 01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:47,040 You understand? It's like, I'm not paying for your premium 984 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,940 subscription to fountain, you pay that, and then all then all 985 01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:54,330 of a sudden, all fees go away. So if you don't pay for it, I'm 986 01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:55,110 paying for it. 987 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,050 Right? So. But I'm not, but I'm not using the app. I'm okay, how 988 01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:03,690 about this? I do have a market force, 989 01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:05,790 the block tag. 990 01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:09,750 But you do use the app. 991 01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:14,010 You use the app as a credit. That's the that's the radio. 992 01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:17,850 That's the receipt of the radio receiver. You Yes. Oh, dirt 993 01:02:17,850 --> 01:02:20,700 without the receive? No, but I don't have to pay for radios. 994 01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:25,320 I've never had to buy everyone a radio. But don't but don't you 995 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,210 though, I mean, everybody has to eventually. The the date always. 996 01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:34,140 This is a fan, I understand exactly where you're coming 997 01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:37,770 from. I want apps to make money. We designed this in this manner. 998 01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:39,630 But 999 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:47,190 now we're at a point where the experimentation is is always at 1000 01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:52,740 the creators cost. Not an additional cost to the user who 1001 01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:55,650 is yes, my content is out there. 1002 01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:01,650 And I need apps for people to use it. But I feel like the user 1003 01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:05,310 should be paying for the experimentation as well, if it's 1004 01:03:05,310 --> 01:03:08,670 going to be 20%. I didn't do anything different. 1005 01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:13,680 So I just got less value for doing the same thing. I mean, 1006 01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:16,110 it's it may be a semantic argument. 1007 01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:22,440 It just it just doesn't feel right. That, you know, I mean, 1008 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,740 but the the value. Value. 1009 01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:29,910 No. Okay, let me let me let me try it again. 1010 01:03:31,950 --> 01:03:35,370 The user at this point, the way it's been done, the way we've 1011 01:03:35,370 --> 01:03:38,880 set it up, does not realize they're supporting the app. 1012 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,990 I don't think most of them realize that. 1013 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,210 So it would be nice. If 1014 01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:52,950 somehow that became apparent when the when so that the user 1015 01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:56,100 can always be deciding if they if that's a good, 1016 01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:59,700 if that's a good value for them. 1017 01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:05,280 Now you get into a situation where they and Harv had been 1018 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,060 around he's been he's been using apps for a while he's been been 1019 01:04:09,060 --> 01:04:13,350 boosting and streaming sites, to him the real. And I'm on his 1020 01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:16,590 side in this part of the argument. He says, Well hold on 1021 01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:19,890 a second, I'm, I want this to go to the podcaster. Now you're 1022 01:04:19,890 --> 01:04:24,870 taking a part of it, he clearly wasn't aware of how its 1023 01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:26,940 functioning. And 1024 01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:32,100 I just think there's there must be a better way so that the user 1025 01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:37,530 understands and that the user, you know, helps. I want users to 1026 01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:40,800 also be contributing towards the app and not just the Creator 1027 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,880 always being the one who contributes their portion. Does 1028 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,930 that make any sense? 1029 01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:48,330 Yeah, yeah. 1030 01:04:49,650 --> 01:04:52,650 I think it makes it yes, it makes sense. 1031 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,520 Um, my argument is just that I don't think you can. You can't 1032 01:04:59,880 --> 01:04:59,970 do 1033 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,530 I think the amount of 1034 01:05:03,810 --> 01:05:06,090 control that you're thinking of 1035 01:05:09,570 --> 01:05:12,210 it's not controlled, it's not controlled. But why wouldn't why 1036 01:05:12,210 --> 01:05:15,660 wouldn't you? Why wouldn't the user pay the extra when they're 1037 01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:19,200 experimenting with new features? Okay, that thank you for stating 1038 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,850 it that way. That helps, that helps me, because this goes back 1039 01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:26,130 to what I say. And while the user does pay 1040 01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:34,200 your, your, excuse me, you, you do pay, you, as the creator, 1041 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,330 always pay something. And you say, Well, you know, the user, I 1042 01:05:39,330 --> 01:05:41,460 don't, I don't pay for the radios, I don't pay for the 1043 01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:42,210 receivers. 1044 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,580 Well, you didn't pay for it directly. But that $1,000 1045 01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:51,510 iPhone, that the that your listener bought, that's now 1046 01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:55,380 $1,000 less than they out of their budget that they could 1047 01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:59,430 possibly send to you. So they just, you know, the the money 1048 01:05:59,430 --> 01:06:02,460 that your listeners are spending, to get into the 1049 01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:06,150 ecosystem and to participate in the ecosystem does always, 1050 01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:10,200 ultimately come out of your pocket as well. And so that's 1051 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,000 really the thing with the apps is that they, Oh, they've almost 1052 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,480 been completely cut out of all of that. So Apple, you know, 1053 01:06:18,510 --> 01:06:22,560 Apple got their $1,000 for the iPhone. And then you have no 1054 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,120 argument, no argument. It was I think I came to you with the 1055 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,710 whole planet being the apps getting paid. My only issue is, 1056 01:06:32,010 --> 01:06:35,760 when there's experimentation in the pricing, the user will not 1057 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,600 know about that, oh, I just I decided on Thursdays, I'm 1058 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,110 charging 50% of everything, because I can't make it work. 1059 01:06:43,110 --> 01:06:46,350 Otherwise, this is not something you're going to advertise. I 1060 01:06:46,350 --> 01:06:49,200 don't think like, Hey, by the way, today's a special we're 1061 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:55,260 taking 50%. Now, so the only way for that to happen is if someone 1062 01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:59,460 sees there's an additional fee that goes for the usage of this 1063 01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:00,060 app. 1064 01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:07,290 I think I think the user should if the app is doing crazy shit, 1065 01:07:07,830 --> 01:07:11,520 and feels it should should be more, you know, 1066 01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:14,310 it may go back to your 1067 01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:18,750 to the subscription, you know, people who support the apps by 1068 01:07:18,750 --> 01:07:19,770 getting the premium. 1069 01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:26,280 That's an additional that does not come out of the Creator. And 1070 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,340 look, I have no problem sharing is just we have that's what I'm 1071 01:07:29,340 --> 01:07:32,520 saying it does come out of the creators pocket every every 1072 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:37,320 amount that has to pay to set to something Oh, that no, that's 1073 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,500 fungible? Of course not. Because they might eat a 10 French fries 1074 01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:43,590 less and then they can they have the same amount. I mean, that's, 1075 01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,060 I don't I don't think that's cool. But that's but is it is 1076 01:07:48,060 --> 01:07:50,820 directly related, though. I mean, when it comes to a podcast 1077 01:07:50,820 --> 01:07:55,710 at every every $10 subscription to overcast is $10 that you got 1078 01:07:55,710 --> 01:07:59,640 that you may not see. No, I disagree. That's not true. 1079 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,210 That's just that's okay. I mean, the the person has a budget and 1080 01:08:03,210 --> 01:08:06,840 they and once they spend $10 and overcast, that means they spend 1081 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,040 $10, less on ice cream. No, I said May May. I mean? 1082 01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:15,450 You said every I'm like no, that's that's just not true. You 1083 01:08:15,450 --> 01:08:19,890 don't know any everybody's budget. All I'm saying is, I 1084 01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:22,470 feel we're going to come to a point where there's going to be 1085 01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:25,620 an issue about the fees, and the listeners are going to complain 1086 01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:27,840 first, and then the creators are going to go well, why are you 1087 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,350 taking this and I'm trying to circumvent that, and figure out 1088 01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:36,180 how we can make it work. So that, you know, I don't care if 1089 01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:40,500 someone wants to charge 20%. But if it's always coming out of my 1090 01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:44,160 end, I'd have my split of what someone wants to send to me, 1091 01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:45,120 because it's 1092 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,280 6969. You know, these are the numbers that I'm telling people 1093 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,450 to send. But I should really be saying since 6969, plus an extra 1094 01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:58,740 20%, because that app is expensive to use. I just feel 1095 01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:02,940 somewhere the user, the user who had has the Satoshis is going to 1096 01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:07,590 send them they also need to be determining whether that is 1097 01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:11,400 worth it to use that app and right now they don't they don't 1098 01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:11,850 know. 1099 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,680 To me, to me, this is OS. This is self correcting. Correcting 1100 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,620 right now this is my point. It's like Do you want me to seriously 1101 01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:25,530 start correcting now and say I don't want people to use this 1102 01:09:25,530 --> 01:09:28,830 app. I don't like that I don't want I want I want every app to 1103 01:09:28,830 --> 01:09:33,390 be used. Now, let me let me finish though what I don't mean 1104 01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:36,420 through I don't mean self correcting through the process 1105 01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:40,560 of negativity on a podcast What I mean is the self correcting 1106 01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:45,930 through the entire ecosystem. So look, look at where we are now. 1107 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,740 years down the road with with pod with the podcasting the 1108 01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:54,570 broader ecosystem. You have company of industry watchers, 1109 01:09:54,570 --> 01:09:59,970 like Cridland, who write articles calling out 1110 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,530 huge companies like, like a cast for sending spam emails in for 1111 01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:08,610 are and it has resulted in exactly nothing, they're still 1112 01:10:08,610 --> 01:10:11,670 doing it and they're just thumbing their nose at everybody 1113 01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:15,480 because they're big enough to do it, it's an eye and honestly, I 1114 01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:19,380 find it very sad to hear that. It's fucking sad. I don't want 1115 01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:23,730 that to happen with podcasting 2.0 That's a great example. When 1116 01:10:23,730 --> 01:10:26,040 I hear that, and I hear Kerguelen has to bitch about 1117 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,350 that every single time and everyone's pissed off about it, 1118 01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:32,610 and it seeps into the content like that. I find it sad. 1119 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,610 Okay, bad, bad example. 1120 01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:40,740 Example, because that's, that's the thing like arguing with my 1121 01:10:40,740 --> 01:10:42,300 work wife, this is fun. 1122 01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:48,000 That example, because that's a, that's a saying that listeners 1123 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,350 have zero control over. 1124 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:56,790 A better example would be if, if a an app started doing something 1125 01:10:56,790 --> 01:11:01,380 shady with monetization, you can bet that the industry watchers 1126 01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:04,170 would call them out. And then people would absolutely make 1127 01:11:04,170 --> 01:11:08,940 decisions based on being on being scammed or, or the 1128 01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:13,500 perception of being scammed. So like right now, the ecosystem 1129 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:17,340 with lightning is very small. But if it if it if it continues 1130 01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:25,620 to grow, and apps begin to do things that are odd, or funky, 1131 01:11:25,620 --> 01:11:31,050 or fun, a funny money type things I can, I can guarantee 1132 01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:34,200 you that is not going to have to just be the podcaster that calls 1133 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:40,230 that out. If if if fountain charges 5%. And then five years 1134 01:11:40,230 --> 01:11:43,500 from now, all of a sudden they go up to 20. Somebody's going to 1135 01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:46,470 notice and the whole industry is going to talk about it. It's 1136 01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:50,790 widely known, again, a cast has not slowed down. So that just 1137 01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:54,000 doesn't make any difference in the industry, because industry 1138 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,970 is talking about it and they don't give a shit. People are 1139 01:11:56,970 --> 01:12:00,180 not as far as I know, they're not necessarily leaving a cast. 1140 01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:05,010 It's a strong arm move. But you I'd like to know when you say 1141 01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:07,830 people are going if apps are going to scam people. So when is 1142 01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:13,290 it a scam? Is it a scam at 5% 7% 15% 20%? When is it a 1143 01:12:13,290 --> 01:12:16,620 scam? I mean, that's that's that it's it's all up to 1144 01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,890 interpretation. It's not about whether I think it's a scam. 1145 01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:23,190 It's about whether or not they say that it's a perceived as 1146 01:12:23,190 --> 01:12:26,880 one. And I can't say when that is because everybody has their 1147 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,990 own tolerance for those sorts of things. You know, I go I go back 1148 01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:34,560 to I just keep going back to this this idea that you're gonna 1149 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:40,020 have, you're gonna have poorly run, you're gonna have 1150 01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:45,840 businesses, app podcast at businesses that can't get their 1151 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,190 costs under control. 1152 01:12:48,330 --> 01:12:51,180 Look, was it podcast addict and non addict? Pot? 1153 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,700 Pocket Casts pocket pocket? Yes, yes. So guests sold multiple 1154 01:12:56,700 --> 01:13:00,330 times, they lost all this money, like they were just losing money 1155 01:13:00,330 --> 01:13:03,960 left and right. They had really, they had a really hard time, 1156 01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:06,840 that really tough go of it, because they evidently couldn't 1157 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,860 keep their costs under control. And they may have needed to 1158 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,350 charge 20% In order to, in their eyes, cover their costs. But 1159 01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:19,530 ultimately, it's going to fail because they can't keep that 1160 01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:22,470 going. Because everybody when they see, okay, I can use Pocket 1161 01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:25,830 Casts, and they're going to charge 20%. And that's 20% Out 1162 01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:29,820 of the Creator's pocket, or I can go over here to cast ematic 1163 01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:33,000 He's charging 3%. And they are somehow able to make it work and 1164 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,040 it's just as good of an app, well, then everybody's just 1165 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,900 gonna bail and go to the to the app that seems to be able to 1166 01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:42,990 keep their stuff under control. It just seemed stuff. To me, it 1167 01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:45,600 just seems like self correcting with market forces. 1168 01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:51,360 I mean, it sucks. But I don't know any other way to do it in a 1169 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,890 way that's open and does open source. No, the the only the 1170 01:13:55,890 --> 01:13:58,920 only difference we're talking about here is who feels the pain 1171 01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:03,090 when when an app fucks up and they can't control their their 1172 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,010 their cost is the Creator who has to up the ante not not the 1173 01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:12,450 listener, not the user of the app. And the problem, and I'm 1174 01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:14,940 not doing any different. I'm not screwing up your app, you 1175 01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:18,960 screwed up your app and people are using your app. But I'm I am 1176 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,350 going to be dinged for that. That's okay. I mean, and if 1177 01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:24,150 that's the way it is, that's the way it is. 1178 01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:26,910 It just seems to me 1179 01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:29,010 that 1180 01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:33,960 in order for people to understand what an app is taking 1181 01:14:34,170 --> 01:14:38,610 for a fee, for them, you for them using it so it's from their 1182 01:14:38,610 --> 01:14:42,330 money. The only way that people will really know is when it's on 1183 01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:45,300 top of the original amount they sent just like a credit card 1184 01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:48,300 that you know, you have to pay the extra, you know the courtesy 1185 01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:51,720 fee or whatever they call it. That's the way that market 1186 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,750 forces will really see if it's worth it. There has to be some 1187 01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:58,740 pain for the user. The user gets no pain other than if they 1188 01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:59,940 happen to find out 1189 01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:06,270 Then they have to make all these decisions about the value of the 1190 01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:10,980 content that they're listening to, versus the value of the app. 1191 01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:16,080 I think. And maybe I'm not giving listeners and users 1192 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,460 enough credit. But hard hat was an interesting example. He took 1193 01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:23,250 exception to it. And what did we get negativity? 1194 01:15:24,510 --> 01:15:25,620 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, 1195 01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:28,530 to me, it just seems like a 1196 01:15:29,790 --> 01:15:36,930 it seems like a, a balancing act between openness? Well, let me 1197 01:15:36,930 --> 01:15:38,850 let me give you the I'm sorry, let me just give you the 1198 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:39,660 scenario. 1199 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:48,420 It's no less or no more or less open, if the fee for the app is 1200 01:15:48,420 --> 01:15:52,980 put on, and and the index for that matter, is put on top of 1201 01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:56,940 what the person is boosting. And as shown that way, in the log, 1202 01:15:56,970 --> 01:16:02,700 we there's 3%, for using our app, I have the feeling breeze 1203 01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:04,920 does it that way, I'm not 100%. Sure. 1204 01:16:06,150 --> 01:16:09,960 Okay, that that to me, would be the preferred way to do it. 1205 01:16:11,340 --> 01:16:16,770 Because then then the user truly can make a decision whether they 1206 01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:19,140 want to continue using that app for that fee. 1207 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,740 I don't disagree that I don't disagree with that, and I'm fine 1208 01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:28,680 with the index being, you know, being treated the same way, put 1209 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,340 it in, you know, put us on top of it 1% For the index. And that 1210 01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:36,270 and that was always kind of the original idea. 1211 01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:41,640 breezes, the first one that went to 5%. But the original idea was 1212 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,910 1%. For the I think we even were talking about 1% for the index 1213 01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:47,760 2% for the app, that will be kind of equal to a credit card 1214 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,660 payment. And in my mind, it was always kind of treated that way. 1215 01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:53,790 Now, since 1216 01:16:54,810 --> 01:16:59,280 it's not that it's a false equivalency. But when it when 1217 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,950 you use a card, and they say, Okay, we need to charge you a 1218 01:17:01,950 --> 01:17:06,090 convenience fee. That's when that's when you feel that that's 1219 01:17:06,090 --> 01:17:09,000 when you make a decision, right? Am I going to use this card, 1220 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,360 which is a version of an app, I'm going to use this card for 1221 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,140 this transaction, use this app for this transaction, this app 1222 01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:20,700 is charging me a convenience fee of 3%. Do I want to use it? Do I 1223 01:17:20,730 --> 01:17:21,720 not want to use it? 1224 01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:28,710 That That to me feels more fair. And it's just as open unless I'm 1225 01:17:28,710 --> 01:17:32,520 mistaken. No, I don't I don't disagree. I don't disagree with 1226 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,970 that. And I'm fine. I'm really fine with it. Either way, I 1227 01:17:35,970 --> 01:17:37,470 think the 1228 01:17:39,870 --> 01:17:44,760 I think the fee coming. The fee coming from within the splits 1229 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,380 instead of being put on top. 1230 01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:53,250 At least the way I saw it was that it was meant as a safety 1231 01:17:53,250 --> 01:17:58,470 mechanism for the use for the listener. Because if if an app 1232 01:17:58,470 --> 01:18:02,910 decides to charge 20%, would they're charging 1% one day and 1233 01:18:02,910 --> 01:18:05,940 20% the next then the user, 1234 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,210 if if it always comes from within the split total, then the 1235 01:18:12,210 --> 01:18:17,250 user is never paying more than they expect it to pay. And if 1236 01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:20,790 it's if it's added on top, then all of a sudden they're paying 1237 01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:24,120 20% More, and they may not realize it. And I thought that 1238 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,380 that was what Harv has complaint was that he didn't did it was 1239 01:18:28,380 --> 01:18:31,920 being taken from the top and he didn't realize it. And it was 1240 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,530 like, Oh, what do you what do you mean, take over? What do you 1241 01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:35,610 mean, take it from the top? 1242 01:18:36,690 --> 01:18:38,280 I mean, add it to the top is what I meant. 1243 01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:42,510 That's exactly that's exactly the way I would want it to be. 1244 01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,100 Because and like I said, I'm fine with it. As long as we all 1245 01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:50,910 understand this, the way that and the reason why the factor or 1246 01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:53,550 the reason why is you set it right there, you know, the 1247 01:18:53,550 --> 01:18:57,390 reason it wasn't done that way was to protect the user. But 1248 01:18:57,390 --> 01:18:59,940 now, he has no protection for the Creator. 1249 01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,170 Now, lux x, I can see that argument being there's, you 1250 01:19:07,170 --> 01:19:07,740 know, that's 1251 01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:13,410 yeah, that's that's I just like my thing, not to belabor the 1252 01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:17,760 point. But my thing was just that if you're talking about if 1253 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,430 you're talking about a listener who wants to give the creator 1254 01:19:22,230 --> 01:19:26,040 you have a have a listener who wants to give the Creator $10 1255 01:19:28,380 --> 01:19:34,080 If you add a $5 fee, and I'm just using bogus numbers, if you 1256 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,500 add a $5 fee to it, and they know they're gonna have to spend 1257 01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:42,510 15 in order to pay 10 Then I don't know that it's really 1258 01:19:42,510 --> 01:19:46,530 ultimately any different to add it to the top or to the bottom 1259 01:19:46,530 --> 01:19:50,010 because I think they're gonna adjust what they paid down to 1260 01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:53,460 accommodate the fee, whether it's added on or taken from 1261 01:19:53,460 --> 01:19:54,090 within. 1262 01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,720 It's obviously a huge difference to me. 1263 01:19:59,520 --> 01:19:59,970 And I think 1264 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,310 And then I think that's where you get your market forces, 1265 01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:05,700 someone will say, Well, this app is worth it and they charge x, 1266 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,330 let's just use 5%. They charge and everyone else seems to be 1267 01:20:09,330 --> 01:20:12,600 charging 5%. So if someone's stuck, this is market forces, if 1268 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,980 someone starts to charge 15%, which will be apparent because 1269 01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,790 you're gonna see you're, you're paying 15%, then immediately 1270 01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:24,330 people will start to make assumptions about, okay, well, 1271 01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:27,270 maybe I should be using a different app, versus 1272 01:20:28,770 --> 01:20:32,490 that that may be going undetected to the user, because 1273 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,250 they're not always looking at their amounts that they, in 1274 01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:39,180 fact, when you boost someone now, you don't necessarily see a 1275 01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:44,130 report that says you will maybe some apps too, you also spent 1276 01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:46,080 five SATs on network fees. 1277 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,900 That's also in addition, it's an addition to what the podcaster 1278 01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:52,590 receives. 1279 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,880 So that to me feels, and maybe no one agrees with me. But that, 1280 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,070 that, to me feels a lot more fair. 1281 01:21:04,530 --> 01:21:07,680 Do you think that so if if I have, 1282 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,770 is if if I spend, 1283 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,900 if I want to give you 10 bucks, and of that 10, 1284 01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:21,000 after the fee is taken, you end up with nine 1285 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,590 versus the listener knows that if they they're going to send 1286 01:21:28,590 --> 01:21:32,130 you 10 bucks, they're gonna be charged one? 1287 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,110 You, to me, I think that like, 1288 01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:42,930 maybe I'm an outlier. Maybe I'm maybe I don't think like other 1289 01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:46,050 people do. And this is a blind spot for me, I'm willing to 1290 01:21:46,050 --> 01:21:50,100 accept that possibility that, that if, because what I would, 1291 01:21:50,130 --> 01:21:52,830 what I'm going to do in every scenario is, I already know how 1292 01:21:52,830 --> 01:21:54,540 much I want the Creator to get 1293 01:21:56,340 --> 01:21:59,760 in, you can see it in the way I boost I want, I'm going to send 1294 01:22:00,660 --> 01:22:04,500 boosts that are numerically meaningful to me. Sure. 1295 01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:11,160 I know going into it, okay, I want the, I want this much to be 1296 01:22:11,550 --> 01:22:17,640 to be sent to the Creator. Now if I know, if I knew that the 1297 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,650 fee was going to be taken added to the total, I would just send 1298 01:22:22,650 --> 01:22:25,950 that amount if I knew it was gonna be taken from the total, I 1299 01:22:25,950 --> 01:22:29,430 would jack it up to meet that what I wanted to send. So I'm 1300 01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:33,180 always going to adjust to get to the Creator what I want them to 1301 01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:33,780 have. 1302 01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,850 So to me, so to me, either one of those scenarios, they're both 1303 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,370 they're not, it's like six, one half dozen, the other. 1304 01:22:42,810 --> 01:22:44,970 They're irrelevant to me, because I'm always gonna get 1305 01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:47,730 through what I want to get through. But maybe I'm 1306 01:22:47,730 --> 01:22:50,520 different. Maybe I'm not like everybody else on it. Well, so 1307 01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:53,880 you know, the way it's reported, you know, regardless of where 1308 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:58,200 everything goes, if you send 6969, then that gets reported to 1309 01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,830 me as 6969 that comes in the to V record, but doesn't actually 1310 01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:06,090 represent any actual amount that that might have come through, or 1311 01:23:06,090 --> 01:23:08,490 that came through as part of my split. 1312 01:23:09,570 --> 01:23:09,990 Right. 1313 01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:14,340 And I'm willing to accept that I and I think this is important, 1314 01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:18,750 because I come to this as a creator, as a podcaster, who 1315 01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:22,470 actually lives and survives off of value for value, I have no 1316 01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:25,590 other job. So I'm very particular when it comes to 1317 01:23:25,860 --> 01:23:30,660 where the income is being split, separated, shared, etc. 1318 01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:36,870 The problem in the scenario that we're talking about is the 1319 01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:38,160 difference between 1320 01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:45,000 and and I'm not this way, and so but I don't I don't look at the 1321 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,170 splits, I just hammer away and I just send it and that's it. And 1322 01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:52,770 maybe most people like that maybe people aren't like that. I 1323 01:23:52,770 --> 01:23:55,650 do know that the numerology is important. I know that the 1324 01:23:55,650 --> 01:24:00,480 numbers arrive. But I may not know how much is being charged 1325 01:24:00,570 --> 01:24:06,060 by an app unless I look at my own wallet and see oh, okay, I 1326 01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:08,640 sent $10. And 1327 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,990 I, I paid an additional 30 cents 1328 01:24:14,490 --> 01:24:16,800 to use this app that I like using. 1329 01:24:18,450 --> 01:24:19,560 Does it my saying that right? 1330 01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:24,060 That's the 3% of $10. Yeah. 1331 01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:25,500 Okay. 1332 01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:33,420 30 cents, or 50 cents. So actually, I sent $10 And I know 1333 01:24:33,420 --> 01:24:37,320 it gets split up. However the podcaster wants that. And that 1334 01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,860 cost me 50 cents to support this app that I'm using. 1335 01:24:43,230 --> 01:24:49,050 It doesn't and that should be that's a market force. That's 1336 01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:53,730 something that user can decide right now. And know that that 1337 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,720 the podcast they liked that they got what they want it now. If 1338 01:24:58,830 --> 01:25:00,000 if a podcast 1339 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,510 The app wants to somehow, I mean, we can get into all kinds 1340 01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:06,960 of intricacies. chargebacks. I mean, there's a million 1341 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,830 different things you can do. But that just seems like very simple 1342 01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:16,440 for people to understand. And maybe even, I think it would it 1343 01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,980 would keep that automatically keeps percentages in check, and 1344 01:25:19,980 --> 01:25:24,060 also creates enormous market forces for competition and 1345 01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:26,580 features and who has the best stuff? 1346 01:25:28,230 --> 01:25:29,520 Yeah, yeah. 1347 01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:35,100 But with but without the, without the, the, without people 1348 01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:40,170 getting pissed off of it on on any of the sides of the 1349 01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:43,890 triangle, you know, it can just be Oh, that that seems expensive 1350 01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:48,720 to me, versus? Well, I think that podcast is it's okay, you 1351 01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,240 know, it's really valuable, or I have to send more. 1352 01:25:52,290 --> 01:25:55,770 I don't know, it just to me, it feels like it shouldn't be an 1353 01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:57,990 addition to what the podcaster 1354 01:25:59,010 --> 01:26:03,930 receives? Or maybe it's 5050. I mean, that's another way to do 1355 01:26:03,930 --> 01:26:07,740 it. I'm okay with that. As long as it's in addition, 1356 01:26:10,380 --> 01:26:12,960 that made that that may be something that may be a way to 1357 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,350 do it. 1358 01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:20,970 I mean, it's do you think people, so I just pulled up our 1359 01:26:20,970 --> 01:26:22,650 paper, our Pay Pal. 1360 01:26:24,690 --> 01:26:29,190 And what I see on the homepage here, is I see a list of 1361 01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:34,230 donations, and I see payment from Jordan Dunnville dances $10 1362 01:26:34,770 --> 01:26:39,930 as the payment from Christopher reamer $10, recurring payment 1363 01:26:39,930 --> 01:26:41,850 from James Sullivan $10. And on and on. 1364 01:26:42,900 --> 01:26:47,760 The will, if I click on payments received in actually drill down 1365 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:48,780 into the ledger 1366 01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:54,840 assays something different now. I see. I see an actual ledger 1367 01:26:54,840 --> 01:27:00,750 that says Jordan Dunnville. Completed gross $10 fee. 93 1368 01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:10,170 cents net $9.07. Yes, of course. And so PayPal took from us. It 1369 01:27:10,170 --> 01:27:13,140 took from the Create. It's the exact same scenario took from 1370 01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:16,200 the Creator. 93 cents. 1371 01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:22,770 Yeah. And so Jordan, so Jordan Dunnville sent us 10 bucks, but 1372 01:27:22,770 --> 01:27:28,200 we only get $9.07 of that. Right. So you're so I allerease. 1373 01:27:28,230 --> 01:27:30,300 I bring that up as an example to say, I think that's what 1374 01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:34,560 everyone is used to. And what you're saying is that as part of 1375 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:35,940 value for value, 1376 01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,160 that you think that as the philosophy of value for value 1377 01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,870 goes that we need to change that model. I think we need to 1378 01:27:45,870 --> 01:27:47,370 consider it because it 1379 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:53,100 you are talking about value for value versus a processing fee. 1380 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:59,400 And, you know, Pay Pal is currently I think at four or 5%. 1381 01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,300 And believe me, that works. It totally works. But then it's 1382 01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:07,620 exactly what you see everywhere. Merchants have to post. Please 1383 01:28:07,620 --> 01:28:11,610 don't use Pay Pal use this. Please don't I don't want to do 1384 01:28:11,610 --> 01:28:15,180 that. For apps, please don't use that app, because they charge 1385 01:28:15,180 --> 01:28:19,260 too much. And you know, we don't we don't make enough for or, you 1386 01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:25,440 know, send send extra. Ah, now I get it. Yeah, I understand that 1387 01:28:25,470 --> 01:28:30,060 the Peter Peters in this app chat. Maybe the best way to pay 1388 01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:33,750 the app makers to take a cut from the refill wallet function 1389 01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:36,240 instead of only instead and leave the boost dream amounts 1390 01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,940 alone. That's that's also a possibility. I think some I 1391 01:28:38,940 --> 01:28:41,880 think some are already doing that. Yeah, things breezes 1392 01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,610 certainly doing that. And I think fountains doing it if you 1393 01:28:44,610 --> 01:28:47,790 take money out. I mean, so Yeah, the thing is, 1394 01:28:49,410 --> 01:28:52,260 and I'm not too worried about people jacking up their fees, 1395 01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:57,390 but even 5% is high. That's high. It's a high percentage. 1396 01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,820 Now, do I think that it's not worth it not? But if you're 1397 01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,730 looking at absolute numbers, what does that equal in dollars 1398 01:29:02,730 --> 01:29:06,120 at the end of the month? You know, if bitcoin is 100,000, 1399 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:09,210 because, you know, this is another thing a podcasters have 1400 01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,310 to continuously adjust 1401 01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:15,150 to the boost amounts. 1402 01:29:17,370 --> 01:29:21,210 Here's, here's my, here's the thing, where my part of where my 1403 01:29:21,210 --> 01:29:25,950 pushback had come from, was, I don't ever want to tell look 1404 01:29:25,950 --> 01:29:29,730 upon the podcast, app developer in the eye and say, and I don't 1405 01:29:29,730 --> 01:29:32,490 I'm not saying that you're saying this, but I would not 1406 01:29:32,490 --> 01:29:35,760 want to ever say that. It looked him in the eye and say you're 1407 01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,080 charging too much. 1408 01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:42,570 Because what what they charge is what? I'm going to trust that 1409 01:29:42,570 --> 01:29:45,870 that's what they have decided they have to charge. And that's 1410 01:29:45,870 --> 01:29:49,800 where that's where it gets uncomfortable for me is is 1411 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,380 saying, Oh, that's too much. Because like, they just may not 1412 01:29:55,380 --> 01:29:58,560 be very good at running and running a business. Right and 1413 01:29:58,590 --> 01:29:59,970 I'd rather than just go 1414 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,260 I honestly reduce them. If they can't compete with market with 1415 01:30:04,260 --> 01:30:07,200 market rates, I'd rather than, you know, whatever that happens 1416 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,500 to be, rather than just go do something, something else, 1417 01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:13,620 honestly, I mean, it sounds that may sound bad, but I mean, like 1418 01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:16,590 that that applies with App Store fees, too. I mean, like, if 1419 01:30:16,590 --> 01:30:20,370 they're gonna have to charge $50 a month for an app for an app 1420 01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,220 for a podcast app on the subscription model in the App 1421 01:30:23,220 --> 01:30:25,260 Store, they're probably not going to be around very long, 1422 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,530 either. Now, there's your perfect thing. There's your 1423 01:30:28,530 --> 01:30:29,520 perfect example. 1424 01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:35,640 Hundreds of millions of dollars in legal fees later, finally, we 1425 01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:42,450 realized that is not a good idea to charge 30%. Yeah. So if it 1426 01:30:42,450 --> 01:30:48,210 was 20%, it would have been the same lawsuits. If it was 15%, it 1427 01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:50,070 would have been the same lawsuits. 1428 01:30:51,330 --> 01:30:54,900 It's always going to be perceived as too much for 1429 01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:55,770 creators. 1430 01:30:57,420 --> 01:30:58,680 I personally, 1431 01:31:00,660 --> 01:31:04,560 you know, I put curio caster and sovereign feeds, I put them in 1432 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:05,370 my block. 1433 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,700 You know? And, well, there's no, there's an idea. Okay, hold on a 1434 01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:13,620 second. Let me think about this. 1435 01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:16,110 That is a way that 1436 01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:24,210 maybe a creator can signal and say, Hey, I'm okay with a 5% 1437 01:31:24,210 --> 01:31:24,630 fee. 1438 01:31:25,650 --> 01:31:30,060 And I'm going to put you or maybe there's a dynamic block, I 1439 01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:32,220 open up and put that right in there for you. 1440 01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,840 And maybe there's a default that we that we kind of agree upon. 1441 01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:40,380 But then anything above and beyond I mean, it just gets 1442 01:31:40,380 --> 01:31:47,010 weird. If PayPal all of a sudden charge 10% to 15%. First, we 1443 01:31:47,010 --> 01:31:48,090 wouldn't know about it, 1444 01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:52,260 then we'd figure it out. And then we'd be very, very angry. 1445 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,340 Right? So but if 1446 01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:58,470 when you send 1447 01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,110 person to person, PayPal says, Okay, you can send this, you're 1448 01:32:04,110 --> 01:32:05,790 going to be charged 30 cents. 1449 01:32:08,670 --> 01:32:12,150 That's where the sender pays for it, versus a business paying for 1450 01:32:12,150 --> 01:32:15,570 it. So there's all there's all different aspects to this, and 1451 01:32:15,570 --> 01:32:18,540 that is truly market forces. I don't have the answer. 1452 01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:23,160 Maybe just this conversation is good enough that everybody kind 1453 01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,480 of thinks about what they're doing. 1454 01:32:27,060 --> 01:32:30,870 And this is worth having. Yeah, no, and no one is really hard of 1455 01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:34,260 how to think is the first real complaint that I've seen it. And 1456 01:32:34,260 --> 01:32:36,360 that may have also stemmed from, you know, 1457 01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:41,700 a lot of people went, Oh, Oscar is doing ads a day shift. And 1458 01:32:41,970 --> 01:32:44,610 there's a lot of different things, weaving in and out. 1459 01:32:46,410 --> 01:32:50,160 Yeah. And to Peter's point in his in his donation node, 1460 01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:50,790 that's, 1461 01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:54,900 you know, I mean, I agree there's going to be, yeah, 1462 01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:57,300 there's there's going to be scammy ads, I mean, the crypto 1463 01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:03,870 space, it's up to us to police that to, like, you know, because 1464 01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,320 the nature of ads is that if they get no response, you stop 1465 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:14,700 hearing them. And so like that's up to us to educate people about 1466 01:33:14,850 --> 01:33:16,770 quote unquote, crypto and 1467 01:33:18,660 --> 01:33:24,300 crypto crypto to call and call out the scam. scammers out there 1468 01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:26,880 who are trying to you know who are trying who were in this for 1469 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,000 a Ponzi scheme or whatever and call and call that shit out. By 1470 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,310 the way. I haven't heard of anything what's going on? What 1471 01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:36,600 scammers are out there. What did I miss? I don't I mean, it's 1472 01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,290 evidently some ads running on fountain. I'm guessing I'm 1473 01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:45,870 guessing or within Oh, I know. Okay. Some of the ads were were 1474 01:33:45,870 --> 01:33:49,140 Crypto Ads. Okay. Yeah, I understand. Well, that's yeah. 1475 01:33:49,170 --> 01:33:52,590 Hey, you jump into the advertising business. That's 1476 01:33:52,620 --> 01:33:55,590 that's part of what you get, you know, you can't get out because 1477 01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:58,710 of the content and the ads you can get sometimes the people 1478 01:33:58,710 --> 01:34:01,320 like the content. I hate those ads. I mean, that's that's just 1479 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:05,760 hard. As a blog fi and hodl hodl. Not I'm not familiar with 1480 01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:05,850 it. 1481 01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,650 Who knows? Is that the D that's D flat D. D? Yeah. 1482 01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:15,450 We'll see. That's it's up to us to call it out. You know, and 1483 01:34:15,450 --> 01:34:18,600 like that may not mean you but I mean, like everybody in the 1484 01:34:18,630 --> 01:34:21,630 know. I think you're right, a father in the pod sage. We have 1485 01:34:21,630 --> 01:34:24,420 to waive the scepter and call it out. Dammit. Yeah. 1486 01:34:27,420 --> 01:34:31,080 It's absolute pants. I do I do. You want to make it really, 1487 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,280 really clear that I want app developers to be rich. I want 1488 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,160 you to be successful. You hate app development. I want you to 1489 01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,460 be successful. I want you to be happy. I want everything to be 1490 01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:45,600 super. The part of the whole idea was to have everybody in 1491 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,990 the ecosystem and the next not for this episode. We're also 1492 01:34:48,990 --> 01:34:51,840 going to have to figure out how that works with with hosting and 1493 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,550 storage such as no agenda tube, and I'm so proud that we are 1494 01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:57,570 working through this 1495 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,000 because these are things 1496 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,190 that has to be talked about eventually. I mean, it's just 1497 01:35:02,190 --> 01:35:05,550 the maturity of the ecosystem it's getting. To me this is a 1498 01:35:05,550 --> 01:35:08,850 sign that they that the system is beginning to mature to the 1499 01:35:08,850 --> 01:35:11,730 point where you have these discussions. It's no longer it's 1500 01:35:11,730 --> 01:35:14,910 not just scissors anymore. I mean, like, it's rock scissor 1501 01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:17,070 papers, is hedge clippers. 1502 01:35:18,090 --> 01:35:21,360 If somebody can get hurt, you lose a hand that we're telling 1503 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:21,480 you. 1504 01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:27,810 Can we thank people? Well, I want to take a detour real 1505 01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:32,130 quick, though. Okay, sure. I I can't it's not the right show 1506 01:35:32,130 --> 01:35:33,360 for this because I can't I mean, 1507 01:35:34,530 --> 01:35:39,420 I can't do an ask Adam. So I can ask, but I could ask the pod. I 1508 01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:42,090 can ask the pod. I don't have a jingle for Ask the pod father 1509 01:35:42,090 --> 01:35:43,980 but yeah, okay, but that's good. 1510 01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:47,190 So I'm listening to pod land yesterday and, 1511 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,170 and Sam said he, he said something that I did not 1512 01:35:52,170 --> 01:35:56,640 understand if you would indulge us. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's the 1513 01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,420 pod father. All right. Here we go. Totally rubbish. That. I 1514 01:36:00,420 --> 01:36:00,750 mean. 1515 01:36:03,570 --> 01:36:06,960 Yeah, no, absolutely. Pants. I mean, 1516 01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,160 okay, what is absolute pants? 1517 01:36:12,690 --> 01:36:16,380 Okay, and I consider myself at least mildly fluent. 1518 01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,010 In, in what you might call 1519 01:36:21,330 --> 01:36:25,260 lingua lingua Britannia for the British, the British and British 1520 01:36:25,260 --> 01:36:28,650 isms. But I've never heard the phrase absolute pants before. 1521 01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,080 Yeah. And I would like to it means 1522 01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:34,200 rubbish. bullcrap. 1523 01:36:36,180 --> 01:36:41,670 Well as it pans, you know, let me take a look and see if I, I 1524 01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:45,390 mean, I lived in the UK for five years. So until I've heard this, 1525 01:36:45,390 --> 01:36:48,780 of course, it's kind of a nicer way of saying the Brits are 1526 01:36:48,780 --> 01:36:52,500 weird. You know, they use the C word all the time. The C word is 1527 01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:56,250 okay in the UK. You know, the See you next year, next Tuesday. 1528 01:36:56,460 --> 01:37:00,810 But you can't say Fannie, Fannie Oh, that's Fannie as Nast that 1529 01:37:00,810 --> 01:37:03,120 you can't say that. But you know, so it's 1530 01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:08,640 I wonder what that homology of that is. But it means bullcrap. 1531 01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,850 It's just a nicer wave. It's a funny way. I think it's when 1532 01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:14,550 kids grow up with oh, that's pants mother. 1533 01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:19,740 I've never heard that whenever that was that was a new one. Oh 1534 01:37:19,740 --> 01:37:21,870 my I just said I've listened to it two or three times. Like you 1535 01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:23,310 said, Did I hear you say pants? 1536 01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:24,750 Okay. 1537 01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:28,710 All right. Yeah, we can. Thanks for people. Yeah, Should I do 1538 01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:32,040 the we got a couple let me see now let me make sure I got this 1539 01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:32,490 right. 1540 01:37:34,410 --> 01:37:37,170 Now hopefully I got this right. I got a couple of these things 1541 01:37:37,170 --> 01:37:41,430 set up. I don't know did I get the road ducks? I'm really I 1542 01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:43,380 still have to work on this. Okay, let me do some of these 1543 01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:46,980 live boosting your rig. Your rig is the training era. 1544 01:37:48,210 --> 01:37:50,640 This is now all the muscle memory you know, I got to learn 1545 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:51,090 which 1546 01:37:52,230 --> 01:37:53,550 which button is which 1547 01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,020 live boosts coming in during this lit episode 91 This has 1548 01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:02,370 value for value. And the way it works is if you like hearing two 1549 01:38:02,370 --> 01:38:05,520 middle aged guys argue with each other over who pays for the 1550 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:10,050 bill. And you find that a valuable conversation, please, 1551 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:11,760 because that was the whole show. 1552 01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:15,000 I guess it was important to us. 1553 01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:19,290 Then please support us you support a lot more than this 1554 01:38:19,290 --> 01:38:22,740 show. Of course you support the entire infrastructure of 1555 01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:26,010 podcasts index.org and everything that we're doing and 1556 01:38:26,010 --> 01:38:28,500 liquidity on the node as well which we really appreciate and 1557 01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,970 we're glad we had some today. And Steven B drains the channel 1558 01:38:32,970 --> 01:38:39,480 as well with 100,000 sat boost no Stephen B. And and this is 1559 01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:43,560 interesting because I guess this is a boost gone viral because he 1560 01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,740 repeats the same thing as pay tar and I will repeat it for 1561 01:38:46,740 --> 01:38:50,640 100,000 SATs I'll do a lot. This is a Bitcoin Public Service 1562 01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,100 Announcement defending freedom money requires eternal 1563 01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:55,710 vigilance. There will always be scammy companies out there 1564 01:38:55,710 --> 01:38:59,130 trying to steal your Bitcoin. These charlatans are starting to 1565 01:38:59,130 --> 01:39:01,890 make their way into the podcasting 2.0 ecosystem. Listen 1566 01:39:01,890 --> 01:39:04,740 to the advice from Uncle Marty and Uncle Matt. Stay humble 1567 01:39:04,740 --> 01:39:07,920 stack SATs hold your own keys don't use leverage don't yield 1568 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,720 farm. I love you all a go podcasting booze. 1569 01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:16,920 Was that on the board? 1570 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,010 My muscle memory is blue button and that was not the right one. 1571 01:39:24,150 --> 01:39:28,560 We got another booster gram from Steven B 1000 SATs I don't want 1572 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,170 PE tars message lost in the excitement of the size of his 1573 01:39:31,170 --> 01:39:33,600 boosts. Oh, here it is again. Yes. Thank you. We got that from 1574 01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:33,780 you. 1575 01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:42,480 We got see. See Brooklyn 112 5000 SATs not five mil but 1576 01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,970 it's what I got. Thank you for your courage go podcast, 1577 01:39:45,180 --> 01:39:45,840 podcast. 1578 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,580 Thank you very much, sir. Absolutely. And that's how value 1579 01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:53,520 for value works. It's not about how much it's what's valuable to 1580 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,210 you. That's what it always comes down to. Then we have sir 1581 01:39:57,210 --> 01:40:00,000 Spencer 22,220 1582 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,240 To my boost is not worthy Thank you pay Tara you are a legend I 1583 01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,750 completely disagree your boost is justified is anybody else's 1584 01:40:06,930 --> 01:40:07,590 and it's 1585 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:09,750 roadex 1586 01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:14,970 Then we have the 5 million SATs from pay Tara and of course we 1587 01:40:14,970 --> 01:40:20,400 just read that note 1000 Or that was a anonymous Taurus Elon Musk 1588 01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,830 Yes, this is the mark pug is This is Mark Wagner Park Bogner 1589 01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:30,600 road 1800 from ambitious you can look but you can't touch unless 1590 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,390 it's over 18 I missed the context of that one. 1591 01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:39,660 Blueberry boosting I'm only going to read the ones that are 1592 01:40:39,690 --> 01:40:46,170 actually boosted on the for the for the lit send us 488888 1593 01:40:46,170 --> 01:40:50,160 Blueberry sweet live item tag bro. also worked at Tesla 1594 01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,280 concert last night those guys not a rocket out hard really? 1595 01:40:54,030 --> 01:40:59,220 Oh, that's interesting. And then I have Yeah, I can no they don't 1596 01:40:59,250 --> 01:41:02,700 in Texas. I'm sure they can. They can rock out pretty hard. I 1597 01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:07,470 believe that. Hey, man, what a great bunch of booster grams. 1598 01:41:07,470 --> 01:41:10,260 Thank you all very much. This is great. Let's go to our pay pals. 1599 01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:14,070 Do we get anything from the Fiat fun coupons which by the way, we 1600 01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:16,740 don't need anything this week. Thanks to the magic of the 1601 01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:19,380 Lightning Network podcasting 2.0 and 1602 01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:21,090 pay turn. 1603 01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,680 We get we did get something new even though even though we're 1604 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,920 fully covered by HR. We did get a couple of papers. 1605 01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:35,490 Marco Arment $500 every single month. Thank you Marco. 1606 01:41:37,530 --> 01:41:40,770 Yep, beautiful. Yes, thank you Marco. 1607 01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:46,980 We also got Buzzsprout $500. Loose Bucha 1608 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,620 This is buddy. This is the de Bucha 1609 01:41:56,190 --> 01:42:03,480 the we also got another this is a first time donor. Longtime 1610 01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:06,150 Boehner Oh, hold on a second. If it's a first timer. 1611 01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,840 We need to defragment Okay. 1612 01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:14,730 Who do we defragment today 1613 01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,880 the legend Dave Jackson to Yes, he says now 1614 01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,960 I thought he booted he hasn't he boosted before. He's boosted but 1615 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:30,450 this one a boost. This was a Pay Pal. Oh, okay. $100 is what he 1616 01:42:30,450 --> 01:42:34,950 said. Oh man, he says he says contributed by the School of 1617 01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:38,340 podcasting. He says I played a clip of your show and a segment 1618 01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:42,450 on the school of podcasting about Spotify. Consider this my 1619 01:42:42,450 --> 01:42:46,260 licensing fee. See you in Dallas go podcast podcast. 1620 01:42:48,150 --> 01:42:52,860 Thanks, Dave. Yeah, he also he boosted Korean the keeper with a 1621 01:42:52,860 --> 01:42:56,220 really nice note. Yeah, and I was like, this is Dave Jett and 1622 01:42:56,220 --> 01:43:00,480 teams Dave Jackson. Really? Yeah. The man been around as 1623 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:04,380 long as all podcasting pretty much Dave bring your bring your 1624 01:43:04,380 --> 01:43:07,260 x will jam a little bit of podcast. Yeah, I'll bring my 1625 01:43:07,260 --> 01:43:08,670 road caster I'll mix it 1626 01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,260 I haven't hooked up the Theramin to it yet, but it's coming. 1627 01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:17,400 We've got a seat that was That was all for pay pals. We got a 1628 01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:18,270 lot of booths though. 1629 01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:25,500 A lot of histograms get read out of the gate. I gotta make good 1630 01:43:26,670 --> 01:43:35,310 cuz I missed ROI. Last week. 54,321 SATs no note. No, sorry. 1631 01:43:35,460 --> 01:43:38,880 That ROI. Well, let me give him a big baller. Then why not? Wow. 1632 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:44,460 Shot Caller 20 his blades on him. Paula. He's a big baller. 1633 01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:50,820 But he boosted again with 54,321 says and he says some emojis for 1634 01:43:50,820 --> 01:43:52,470 Dave. And did they come through? 1635 01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,030 I think he was trolling me because he knows that it doesn't 1636 01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:57,870 get read man. 1637 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,700 Are you using mutt now? Is that are you finally on the train? 1638 01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:09,000 I've not installed my dot mutt rc file. No ma'am you yet but 1639 01:44:09,060 --> 01:44:13,500 but I am navigating fast mail with the H J K and L keys. How 1640 01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:16,830 much do you love that I eat now you're grown up? You're finally 1641 01:44:16,830 --> 01:44:20,940 using it the way it should be used. I'm such a big boy. It's 1642 01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:24,480 great. Yeah, how you doing? Better than the arrow keys? 1643 01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:28,680 Oh yeah, actually, it's exactly the same as the air casement a 1644 01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:29,490 different spot 1645 01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,710 Well, let's see. Let me go ahead and dare no 1646 01:44:35,790 --> 01:44:44,220 dare no sin us 100,033 says bolo shot kala 20 his blades only him 1647 01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:48,900 Paula anything over 100 It's got to be a big baller through pod 1648 01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:52,890 verse, which is great. That's cool. So this is our record for 1649 01:44:52,890 --> 01:44:56,370 pod versus this and I think it's an lb integration nice. 1650 01:44:57,780 --> 01:44:59,970 This is the work you're doing is essential. You 1651 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,510 Here's my vague you crazy visionary mad scientist's listen 1652 01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:06,330 to random thoughts it's better than AI dot cooking 1653 01:45:07,529 --> 01:45:14,219 Okay, random that's our end you MB That's right. Yes. And I will 1654 01:45:14,219 --> 01:45:18,449 let comic strip blogger debate whether or not it's better than 1655 01:45:18,449 --> 01:45:20,129 a duck cooking thank you Darren now 1656 01:45:22,290 --> 01:45:24,510 the Bruce Wayne of podcasting grips got 1657 01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:30,780 he grabs Scott was more I was gonna didn't work dammit sorry 1658 01:45:31,050 --> 01:45:35,460 okay yes what not I was just messing around one to try to 1659 01:45:35,460 --> 01:45:40,920 count the did the numbers in this boost 12345677 digits in 1660 01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:45,570 this boost. Oh my god. 1 million in one set. What 1661 01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:50,340 it is, is messages go podcasting. 1662 01:45:51,540 --> 01:46:00,780 Go podcast. Follow Sakala play on the Impala man. Extra Stanley 1663 01:46:00,780 --> 01:46:01,560 boost for that 1664 01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:08,100 the okay I take back everything I said about people not 1665 01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:12,360 adjusting their boost amounts to the current value I take it all 1666 01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:19,470 back. I take that as a as what it is a implicit 1667 01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:22,800 admission that I'm right and you're wrong. 1668 01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:29,010 If that will make you happy, darling. Yes, you're right. I am 1669 01:46:29,010 --> 01:46:35,370 wrong. I'm a bad man. Yeah, no. I'm not a good person. A bad 1670 01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:39,780 podcast. I love you Dave Jones let it be known. Yeah, I love 1671 01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:40,230 you too. Bro. 1672 01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:48,300 We got more boost even more boost even more. I think I don't 1673 01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:49,530 think we read this in the show. 1674 01:46:50,610 --> 01:46:54,480 But it gets a little dicey towards the end. So I'm gonna go 1675 01:46:54,510 --> 01:46:58,380 do we did we read a big row of ducks Mitch 22 to 22 and he says 1676 01:46:58,380 --> 01:47:01,680 hey guys, enjoying the live item discussion while listening live 1677 01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:03,660 Hi, I have rode ducks on pod verse 1678 01:47:04,860 --> 01:47:07,680 Don't sorry written no I didn't think I'm gonna go 1679 01:47:11,130 --> 01:47:15,390 lavish send us a row ducks 2222 Nice through fountain nice rock 1680 01:47:15,390 --> 01:47:16,080 and roll 1681 01:47:22,650 --> 01:47:28,500 meet us send us 6969 is a pew pew pew wait I have I have that 1682 01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:29,490 one. There we go. 1683 01:47:30,540 --> 01:47:33,540 I'm learning loaded on the board here the muscle memory starting 1684 01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:35,610 to kick in. Okay, slow. 1685 01:47:36,660 --> 01:47:41,070 Eric peepee since 1980 I wonder if that's numerology it's gotta 1686 01:47:41,070 --> 01:47:44,670 be gotta be ages Yeah, he just says boosts 1687 01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:53,130 There we go. Oh, I've got a I've got an ISO by the way. See what 1688 01:47:53,130 --> 01:47:56,130 you got over here. Wait, is it a nice did I label it as a nice 1689 01:47:56,940 --> 01:47:58,080 well if this is it 1690 01:48:05,790 --> 01:48:09,420 Oh, all right. I'm loading this into my smart pads later. 1691 01:48:13,380 --> 01:48:16,500 Callay bear. Oh, that's great. We'll be here one more time. 1692 01:48:22,500 --> 01:48:23,790 Perfect, Kyle. Thank you. 1693 01:48:25,260 --> 01:48:26,550 That's I mean, 1694 01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,540 of course it hasn't written all over it. See, Mike sent us 5678 1695 01:48:33,540 --> 01:48:36,420 sets through curio caster and he says Dave didn't know j&k Were 1696 01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:40,020 up and down in might those two keys oh wait, we already read 1697 01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:43,620 that with that same thing and fast mail yet people kept I mean 1698 01:48:43,650 --> 01:48:47,220 people just piled on me this whole week on podcast index dot 1699 01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:51,780 social about not knowing about h k now. I mean, yeah, I can see 1700 01:48:51,780 --> 01:48:55,320 why it was surprised. I know you're not a loser. I mean, you 1701 01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,960 can't keep a Linux box from freezing out but otherwise 1702 01:49:00,570 --> 01:49:02,010 nobody can do that. That's 1703 01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:04,500 not made of magic. 1704 01:49:06,510 --> 01:49:11,730 Mitch sinister 2222. Through pod version he says Looking forward 1705 01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:14,040 to seeing y'all Podcast Movement Dallas I might need 1706 01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:21,090 I might need a new podcasting 2.0 t shirt because I don't fit 1707 01:49:21,090 --> 01:49:22,260 in the small anymore. 1708 01:49:23,370 --> 01:49:26,250 That's what that's what that's what 2.0 development will do to 1709 01:49:26,250 --> 01:49:30,060 you. That's right. I will get you take care of their Mitch 1710 01:49:31,980 --> 01:49:32,670 see we got 1711 01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:41,310 9191 SAS from chyron at mere mortals podcast nice to curio 1712 01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:44,550 caster and he says I'm more inclined towards Adam on the V 1713 01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:48,330 for the outside of the feed issue. I'd love to vie for I'd 1714 01:49:48,330 --> 01:49:51,360 love to vie for V the stupid memes that create but please 1715 01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,050 don't spend any time catering to my weird whims. It sounds like a 1716 01:49:55,050 --> 01:49:59,220 real particular particular use case to capture people download 1717 01:49:59,220 --> 01:50:00,000 the mp4 is out 1718 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,610 outside of streaming on the website or app, does this 1719 01:50:02,610 --> 01:50:07,470 actually happen very much? I don't know. No. But what does 1720 01:50:07,470 --> 01:50:12,270 happen is, as we know, a lot of female podcast listeners will 1721 01:50:12,270 --> 01:50:16,740 listen to an mp3 on our website in a web player or god knows 1722 01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:20,040 maybe just clicking on a download this mp3 link that does 1723 01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,070 I'm sure there's a reasonable amount of people that do that. 1724 01:50:24,060 --> 01:50:24,480 Yeah. 1725 01:50:25,590 --> 01:50:29,220 Yeah, I'm sure you're right. But again, you know, just so we put 1726 01:50:29,220 --> 01:50:30,300 it all into perspective, 1727 01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:36,540 value for value that I've been doing for a decade and a half it 1728 01:50:36,570 --> 01:50:40,350 and we're good, we're really good at it for maybe sometimes 1729 01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:45,540 not, I'd say 4% of the entire audience donates. That's it. The 1730 01:50:45,540 --> 01:50:49,800 rest just need to be shamed and called douchebags. Yeah, we can 1731 01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,910 do that too. And what happens? Now what happens is, over time, 1732 01:50:54,930 --> 01:50:57,780 people will say, you know, I've been listening for five years, I 1733 01:50:57,780 --> 01:51:00,240 haven't given anything and they come in with a whopper amount 1734 01:51:00,270 --> 01:51:03,330 eventually it all kind of works out some somehow. 1735 01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:05,910 Well, that should be in the spec. 1736 01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:10,140 If nobody if somebody's listening, never donates, it 1737 01:51:10,140 --> 01:51:13,260 just pops up and says you're a douche. Well, this is this is 1738 01:51:13,260 --> 01:51:16,890 what with no agenda that's what the producers the listeners 1739 01:51:16,890 --> 01:51:19,230 slash producers they develop that themselves. They start 1740 01:51:19,230 --> 01:51:21,360 calling people out Hey, that guy you know, he hit me in the 1741 01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,850 mouth. He told me about the show, but he hasn't donated he's 1742 01:51:23,850 --> 01:51:27,510 a douchebag and then people started donating saying I was a 1743 01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:31,200 douchebag that's no good. And to this terminology didn't come 1744 01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:34,020 from us. I don't call people douchebags all I do now. It's 1745 01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:37,770 now it's embedded in my brain. That's where the deducing came 1746 01:51:37,770 --> 01:51:39,780 from like D fragmenting. It's the same thing. 1747 01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:46,170 Silver owl gave us 120 SATs he says now it's five sets five 1748 01:51:46,170 --> 01:51:50,190 equal 120 factorial boost one one exclamation point. Oops 1749 01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:54,420 I don't know what any of that means. 1750 01:51:57,030 --> 01:52:00,030 Chris are give us 5000 SATs through curio Castro. Thank you. 1751 01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,900 Thank you. Great work pod father and sages. Is it possible to 1752 01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:07,110 still claim a podcasting 2.0 t shirt? I'd love to rock a little 1753 01:52:07,110 --> 01:52:11,160 piece of history. Of course it is. Yeah. Yep. Your accounting. 1754 01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:14,760 Yeah. Got your accounting that's going well right with the with 1755 01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:18,870 no agenda shop. Of course we have podcasts index dot shop. 1756 01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:21,360 Let me see if they have the updated anything recently. I 1757 01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,690 haven't looked at it and why we should promote that. Yeah, it's 1758 01:52:24,690 --> 01:52:26,520 a lot easier than it was before because I just shoot him an 1759 01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,880 email with the name and address the chair size and he just takes 1760 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,480 care of it. Yeah. Done. Let me see the no agenda show the pod 1761 01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:36,720 podcast index dot shop. Now it's still we need some more some 1762 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,900 more products in there. Some cool designs, some running with 1763 01:52:39,900 --> 01:52:42,540 scissors T shirts. That will be cool. 1764 01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,110 That would be cool. We get to figure out something to take to 1765 01:52:46,110 --> 01:52:47,640 Podcast Movement. 1766 01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:52,680 Let's talk to those guys. Yeah. Oh, by the way, are we now 1767 01:52:52,710 --> 01:52:58,230 officially late for our call at three? Now? Yes, we are. Does 1768 01:52:58,230 --> 01:53:00,780 anyone know that? We're late for our call at three maybe you 1769 01:53:00,780 --> 01:53:02,370 should ping someone about that just 1770 01:53:04,170 --> 01:53:10,920 Yeah, I should. I should text see show running long. 1771 01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:15,990 Before we were I can just see if I could bring them right in. 1772 01:53:17,460 --> 01:53:20,100 If I had if I had the board set up we could just do our next 1773 01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:24,120 meeting or next week during the show. Right just go right into 1774 01:53:25,260 --> 01:53:29,250 Cass peatland. 963 SATs through fountain he says I'm so proud 1775 01:53:29,250 --> 01:53:33,240 with with my pennies to what 1776 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:40,440 I'm so proud with my opinion these two so SOP RTE 1777 01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:47,550 SRP SOP. What are SOP Rte? 1778 01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:50,160 So, I don't know a cat 1779 01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:56,130 ducks thing that even I don't get, but we appreciate it. We'll 1780 01:53:56,130 --> 01:53:57,810 take anything thank you so much. 1781 01:54:00,030 --> 01:54:04,050 When Wade Dutch on us, okay. floydian slips 2000 SATs he 1782 01:54:04,050 --> 01:54:07,290 says. Who's drumming? Stop that drumming. We'll do it live. 1783 01:54:07,500 --> 01:54:09,570 Okay. That was your kid. Your kid. 1784 01:54:11,460 --> 01:54:16,680 Forget about the Macintosh says 1234 says he says Happy Friday 1785 01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,800 thoughts on fountains new update that pays users to listen to 1786 01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:24,540 podcasts. I think we've gone through. No Yeah, we beat them 1787 01:54:24,540 --> 01:54:29,430 to death. Yeah. Caspi Lind again he says 2460 SATs he says 1788 01:54:30,930 --> 01:54:35,490 either fountain 0.4. Release. I need to listen back to Oscar 1789 01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:38,580 thanks for the work. It would be cool if na could give total 1790 01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,430 received SATs boost number. 1791 01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:47,130 Maybe he just wants to know like a leaderboard. I got to talk to 1792 01:54:47,130 --> 01:54:50,520 the Vortech about that because I slowly want to kind of bring him 1793 01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,110 in. And 1794 01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:59,130 what I'd like is I'd like for artists to get a split who do 1795 01:54:59,130 --> 01:54:59,940 album art 1796 01:55:00,570 --> 01:55:05,070 And you know, because we fought we have a veto in our 1797 01:55:05,070 --> 01:55:07,410 partnership so he doesn't want any bitcoin touching the 1798 01:55:07,410 --> 01:55:08,850 corporation so that's okay. 1799 01:55:10,530 --> 01:55:14,580 I keep working on that angle but I think it'd be okay if it went 1800 01:55:14,580 --> 01:55:17,700 to other people. And then we could do leaderboards and all 1801 01:55:17,700 --> 01:55:22,530 that stuff. But you know, slow process people slow process. 1802 01:55:22,770 --> 01:55:26,490 Boost boost boost. I already got him saying that. I also think 1803 01:55:26,490 --> 01:55:27,960 Cass is a little drunk. So that 1804 01:55:31,050 --> 01:55:36,600 was me 2383 and a 7777 SATs and he says Tim ah, I do believe in 1805 01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,190 your vision. Well, thanks, Tim. Oh, nice. To me that just 1806 01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:44,190 caught me off guard. 1807 01:55:45,450 --> 01:55:49,260 Let's see. Oh, that's That's you. That's you know, boosting. 1808 01:55:49,740 --> 01:55:54,300 Oh, it was my pre boost. Yeah, Nomad, Joe 2000 SATs through 1809 01:55:54,300 --> 01:55:57,270 fountain and he says boosting from Lake Champlain in Vermont. 1810 01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:03,000 Anything about sex drawn 3000 That's, that's a good thing. 1811 01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:08,310 It's a cool it's extra 3019 SATs and he just says trial boost. 1812 01:56:08,340 --> 01:56:12,480 Okay, Okay, gotcha. It's successful. Dion's in his 5000. 1813 01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,330 SAS through Fontanini says if Trudeau likes ranked voting, it 1814 01:56:15,330 --> 01:56:20,940 can't be good. Okay, that's for us. I guess they came to us 1815 01:56:20,940 --> 01:56:23,670 weird. I know. It sounds like it's not meant for no agenda or 1816 01:56:23,670 --> 01:56:26,400 something. All right. Yeah. It said podcasting. 2.0 maybe 1817 01:56:26,430 --> 01:56:30,990 confused and boosted the wrong show is okay. Bumi he's from my 1818 01:56:30,990 --> 01:56:32,640 Alby, right. Oh, yeah. 1819 01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,480 Is he from altbier? Yes, I believe so. Yeah. Okay. 1820 01:56:37,710 --> 01:56:41,010 2100 SATs and he says confetti cannon? 1821 01:56:43,020 --> 01:56:45,810 What I have I have I don't I have a 1822 01:56:46,890 --> 01:56:49,050 thought I had a confetti cannon. 1823 01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:51,390 Something like this 1824 01:56:56,130 --> 01:56:56,640 maybe not. 1825 01:56:57,990 --> 01:57:02,550 I like it is trying just trying stuff out. Boris Gizelle ski 1826 01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:05,160 gave us 200 SATs and he says thank you for your lots. Thank 1827 01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:07,680 you for lots of inspirations. You're welcome Boris. You're 1828 01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:08,250 very much 1829 01:57:11,610 --> 01:57:20,520 Oh slewed slewed send us 53,000 53,163 SATs nice. He says 1830 01:57:20,670 --> 01:57:28,170 this 53,163 is 1611 times 33. When converted to fiat it only 1831 01:57:28,170 --> 01:57:31,740 comes out to about 10 bucks. Once Bitcoin hits 1 million each 1832 01:57:31,740 --> 01:57:33,720 set will be worth $1 Go podcasting. 1833 01:57:36,900 --> 01:57:37,860 Go podcast 1834 01:57:42,870 --> 01:57:47,820 Auburn Citadel gives 49,490 SAS and he says streaming gold 2.0 1835 01:57:47,820 --> 01:57:51,240 from Auburn California where the 40 Niners flocked to during the 1836 01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:55,860 gold rush. Yay. Stream streaming those SATs baby Thank you. Thank 1837 01:57:55,860 --> 01:58:00,450 you obviously that's a standard 49 490 Boost thing I love it. 1838 01:58:01,050 --> 01:58:04,590 Cole McCormick's and as a road ducks 2222 And he says I used 1839 01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:07,980 fountains new promotion feature and I'm so hyped about getting 1840 01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:12,780 people set to listen to me. Max sets per listen is 1500 set by 1841 01:58:12,780 --> 01:58:16,770 me. You have kept 1000 and boosted me 500 Now I get ducks 1842 01:58:16,770 --> 01:58:19,050 for you ducks listen to America plus 1843 01:58:24,570 --> 01:58:28,170 okay, America plus that's not to give that one a shot America 1844 01:58:28,530 --> 01:58:32,760 there's hard hat Yeah, there he is. He's in the house ladies. 1845 01:58:33,330 --> 01:58:34,470 Okay yes 1846 01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:37,740 the whole discussion 1847 01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,470 a lot of control here yes boost 1848 01:58:41,730 --> 01:58:45,390 yeah curio caster 2222 And he says hosting services should get 1849 01:58:45,390 --> 01:58:48,450 the V for V payments some other way if they need a fee they 1850 01:58:48,450 --> 01:58:49,620 should charge the Creator 1851 01:58:50,820 --> 01:58:55,410 There you go yeah all all that's the next conversation we'll have 1852 01:58:55,950 --> 01:58:58,440 we're gonna stick with Hey, we kind of made it through this 1853 01:58:58,440 --> 01:59:04,830 one. Yeah, let's Yeah, I think we I had to add an entire page 1854 01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,800 of notes of stuff to talk about we talked about one thing is 1855 01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:10,290 what else did you have? I'm sorry. Let's get through the 1856 01:59:10,290 --> 01:59:11,280 booster Graham. So we do 1857 01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:16,260 2222 from Georgia. Oh, George Orwell boosted us. Oh. 1858 01:59:17,940 --> 01:59:22,680 How does that work? Okay, what did he say? A sentence 2222 I 1859 01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,920 guess maybe that's an animal farm boost. And bass says here's 1860 01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:32,460 my weekly boost. Gross. Gross, gross jus Nederland creatures 1861 01:59:32,460 --> 01:59:34,290 I'd natal on greetings from 1862 01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:40,680 okay, I get to practice that. 1863 01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:48,030 We get 3690 from Cat Cat spielen nice drunk. New drunk. Drunk. 1864 01:59:48,630 --> 01:59:50,010 This is this this 1865 01:59:52,830 --> 01:59:57,300 20 to 22 SATs from George Orwell again. Yeah, no note, and he 1866 01:59:57,300 --> 01:59:59,910 says 100 as 150 SATs from James Cridland. 1867 02:00:00,659 --> 02:00:04,529 He says Enjoy enjoying listening to you focus on fountain various 1868 02:00:04,529 --> 02:00:10,739 100 150 Come on James. Well, I boost that guy 5000 That a pop 1869 02:00:10,739 --> 02:00:12,359 and he's boosting us 150 1870 02:00:14,490 --> 02:00:18,720 means send us 100 says through breeze and he just says thanks. 1871 02:00:18,750 --> 02:00:23,640 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. And comic strip 1872 02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:29,280 blogger, the delimiters send us 15,033 sets through fountain and 1873 02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:33,240 he says Howdy, Dave and Adam. I understand you're angry at high 1874 02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:37,590 car fuel prices. But war in Ukraine is real not computer 1875 02:00:37,590 --> 02:00:41,130 generated video game. Evil Russians are bombing and firing 1876 02:00:41,130 --> 02:00:45,060 missiles at Ukraine anyways. I invite your audience to our 1877 02:00:45,060 --> 02:00:48,360 podcast about artificial intelligence, spoken by Gregory 1878 02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,510 William Forsythe Foreman forgiving really interesting 1879 02:00:51,510 --> 02:00:55,290 that guy's great. Just enter in your web browser or any podcast 1880 02:00:55,290 --> 02:00:59,640 app AI dot cooking. Yo, Joe, thank you. 1881 02:01:01,230 --> 02:01:06,330 Boost. Thank you very much blogger, Nick as the master of 1882 02:01:06,330 --> 02:01:10,500 the non sequitur. And it's really and I have to say about 1883 02:01:10,500 --> 02:01:11,610 comic strip blogger. 1884 02:01:13,470 --> 02:01:18,450 He has been around every single business model we've tried. I 1885 02:01:18,450 --> 02:01:20,850 remember back when we had pod show, I think he actually posted 1886 02:01:20,850 --> 02:01:25,650 about this. He was the first to buy ads for other podcasts on a 1887 02:01:25,650 --> 02:01:33,660 podcast that accepted ads. Yeah, so he has only one once it was 1888 02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:38,820 you know, Bitcoin came into play and Satoshi is you know, he's 1889 02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:43,230 he's been a really it's this is very uncommon for him in general 1890 02:01:43,230 --> 02:01:45,870 but whenever there's something new and he's always someone that 1891 02:01:45,870 --> 02:01:50,010 helps to tries to help launch something and I give him a lot 1892 02:01:50,010 --> 02:01:53,670 of credit for that. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's jumping in 1893 02:01:53,670 --> 02:01:56,250 there and willing to take arrows and I sometimes still want to 1894 02:01:56,250 --> 02:02:00,150 smother his face with the pillow but I really do really 1895 02:02:00,150 --> 02:02:03,510 appreciate and I say that with love and he understands that I 1896 02:02:03,510 --> 02:02:03,900 hope 1897 02:02:05,490 --> 02:02:07,410 with love with with 1898 02:02:09,570 --> 02:02:15,780 monthly pay pals, we got Dwayne Goldy $8 Paul airs doing $11.14 1899 02:02:15,780 --> 02:02:21,540 Thank you, Charles current $5 Michael Gagan $5 James Sullivan 1900 02:02:21,540 --> 02:02:28,950 $10 Christopher reamer $10 Sean McCune $20 Cohn glotzbach $5, 1901 02:02:29,580 --> 02:02:33,990 Jordan Dunnville $10 In pod news, $50 he's making up for the 1902 02:02:35,460 --> 02:02:36,870 pathetic boost. Nice. 1903 02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:41,610 Hey, we'd like to make up for the pathetic droopy boost sound 1904 02:02:41,610 --> 02:02:45,150 that we played for you. That's our group. Thanks, everybody. I 1905 02:02:45,150 --> 02:02:48,060 appreciate it. Really, really appreciate it. You can also 1906 02:02:48,060 --> 02:02:53,220 support us, I didn't check the tally coin my mistake. To see 1907 02:02:53,220 --> 02:02:56,460 how that's doing. You can go to podcast index.org. Go to the 1908 02:02:56,490 --> 02:02:59,940 scroll down to the bottom you'll see a big red donate button. You 1909 02:02:59,940 --> 02:03:03,120 can use that to send us your Fiat fun coupons. We do accept 1910 02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:07,380 them, we do like them. But we prefer of course, on chain or 1911 02:03:07,380 --> 02:03:10,830 through one of the new podcast apps, which you can find at new 1912 02:03:10,830 --> 02:03:14,280 podcast apps.com. Let me just see real quick if we got 1913 02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:14,940 anybody. 1914 02:03:16,740 --> 02:03:21,690 Last one was the 18th of June. And you know, if you do 1915 02:03:21,690 --> 02:03:24,360 something, leave your name there. So the 18th of June 1916 02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:27,870 there's no name, but it was 78,795 SATs. 1917 02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,740 I wonder what that was? Wow, that was no whoever that was, 1918 02:03:31,740 --> 02:03:34,950 thank you, we appreciate that. But no, for real. 1919 02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:40,290 This is I feel good about the value that we're receiving. We 1920 02:03:40,290 --> 02:03:42,600 really appreciate it and that's how you should feel when you 1921 02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:47,700 send it whatever it is you send, it can be 5 million sets or 500 1922 02:03:47,700 --> 02:03:50,790 sets. If it's value to you, that's all that counts. We 1923 02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:54,630 appreciate it equally because somehow once the system was 1924 02:03:54,630 --> 02:03:58,350 running once once the flywheel spinning that kind of all evens 1925 02:03:58,350 --> 02:04:03,120 out there's no get rich quick in podcasting in value for value, 1926 02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:06,600 but over time, you can actually make it and you cannot just say 1927 02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,450 trust me on that because I've done it and I continue to do it. 1928 02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:12,480 So thank you very much to everybody for that really 1929 02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:13,200 appreciate it. 1930 02:04:14,700 --> 02:04:17,670 Alright, so I've I've been I've been tweaking the audio or going 1931 02:04:17,670 --> 02:04:21,510 along I'm a little happier I guess at this point I can't tell 1932 02:04:21,510 --> 02:04:24,960 anymore I can you probably can't either. Now I'm so used to it 1933 02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:27,390 now we've been we've been drinking wine and running with 1934 02:04:27,390 --> 02:04:32,460 scissors it's this I know more senses no none at all. What else 1935 02:04:32,460 --> 02:04:34,380 was on your list? Dave I'm sure there's something we need to 1936 02:04:34,380 --> 02:04:35,550 talk about before we go 1937 02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:40,980 in I don't know if we get anything that's short is that 1938 02:04:40,980 --> 02:04:44,310 they is the thing is everything's kind of want to 1939 02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:47,040 give me the list. So I have it in my head and then I'll know 1940 02:04:47,070 --> 02:04:51,150 I'll remember as well for the next show. Show social interact 1941 02:04:51,150 --> 02:04:54,570 tag is it okay to proceed yet. YouTube podcasting list of top 1942 02:04:54,570 --> 02:04:58,830 podcasts? How many are even on YouTube? Podcasting? 2.0 now I 1943 02:04:58,830 --> 02:05:00,000 can't talk about that. That's 1944 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,650 That's, I'm gonna hit you with something next week. Yeah, this 1945 02:05:04,650 --> 02:05:05,340 is gonna be fun. 1946 02:05:07,140 --> 02:05:11,460 We have secrets. Yeah, no, no it will be all will be revealed. 1947 02:05:11,970 --> 02:05:15,780 Okay, anchor getting the boot. And then I have a bunch of 1948 02:05:15,780 --> 02:05:19,380 things below that John cIgi soundbite Creator tool cancelled 1949 02:05:19,380 --> 02:05:21,990 Netflix and audio subscript audible subscriptions Chris 1950 02:05:21,990 --> 02:05:25,080 Fisher boosting private feed Spotify political ads these that 1951 02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,290 update frequently, like 55 a 10, partial word search in the 1952 02:05:28,290 --> 02:05:32,040 search in points and metadata update endpoints. Holy crap. How 1953 02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,860 could you not tune into the show? This is fantastic. 1954 02:05:35,220 --> 02:05:39,360 Everybody must return for next Friday. Okay, yeah. Do we have a 1955 02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:43,320 guest we have a guest next Friday. We do we have Steven D. 1956 02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:47,820 Gah. Oh, okay. Well, I'm sure I'm gonna put him for 20% in the 1957 02:05:47,820 --> 02:05:48,630 value block. 1958 02:05:51,570 --> 02:05:53,370 We'll get some will argue about 1959 02:05:54,420 --> 02:05:57,210 we'll talk about everything we talked about today. Again, no, 1960 02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:59,940 we're not gonna do that. We're not we're not gonna do that. But 1961 02:05:59,940 --> 02:06:03,660 I'm I hope you don't mind because I it certainly felt good 1962 02:06:03,660 --> 02:06:07,140 for me just to walk through it and just to you're a good guy 1963 02:06:07,140 --> 02:06:10,320 Dave. You don't get pissed off like other partners I have 1964 02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:20,280 I've told Alex this before. I'm cursed by herbs of sanely thick 1965 02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:23,760 skin for some reason. Just things just don't bother me. 1966 02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,780 This is why it's perfect baby ebony and ivory. This is good. I 1967 02:06:27,780 --> 02:06:28,230 love it. 1968 02:06:31,020 --> 02:06:34,470 That video so how many times in the world how many times over 1969 02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:37,200 and over? Did you play that video? Not as many as 1970 02:06:37,290 --> 02:06:41,040 Whitesnake. Here I go again or living on a prayer from Bon Jovi 1971 02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:44,520 or New Kids on the Block. I think I played those were not by 1972 02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:48,600 choice. Two of those three are horrible. Yeah. Which one? Which 1973 02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:51,810 one did you like? I like Whitesnake, but the other two 1974 02:06:51,810 --> 02:06:52,200 were bad. 1975 02:06:54,450 --> 02:06:57,600 Ah, yes, there it is. Everybody. This is the board meeting 1976 02:06:57,600 --> 02:07:01,500 podcasting. 2.0 we return next Friday. Join us we'll chat. 1977 02:07:01,650 --> 02:07:03,900 We'll do it live. Take care everybody bye. 1978 02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:23,220 Do you hope you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 1979 02:07:23,310 --> 02:07:27,960 Visit podcast index.org For more information, podcasts.