Episode 91: Splitting the Tab

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,820Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June24 2022, episode 91 We're200:00:05,820 --> 00:00:07,020splitting the time.300:00:08,700 --> 00:00:12,210Friday again, hello everybody.Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 It's400:00:12,210 --> 00:00:15,120a podcast but more importantly,it is the board meaning of500:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,420podcasting 2.0 where we talkabout everything happening at600:00:18,420 --> 00:00:22,320podcast index.org What's goingon with the namespace, the700:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,260podcast standards and of courseall the brainpower that comes800:00:25,260 --> 00:00:28,770together at podcast index dotsocial. I'm Adam curry here in900:00:28,770 --> 00:00:31,800the heart of the Texas HillCountry in an Alabama he slays1000:00:31,830 --> 00:00:35,160API scrapers with a flick of thewrist my friend on the other1100:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,950end, please say hello, Mr. DaveJones1200:00:41,670 --> 00:00:46,290We scissor everything we aresinging Thank you. We are1300:00:46,290 --> 00:00:48,090scissoring big time today.1400:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,440I'm sorry, that soundscompletely wrong doesn't1500:00:53,460 --> 00:00:57,510mean this. You got you justrigged it up. I was not1600:00:57,510 --> 00:01:00,540expecting this. I was notexpecting you to have new rig1700:01:00,540 --> 00:01:04,980edge. Yes, rig edge is in thestudio and1800:01:06,180 --> 00:01:09,990Okay, so I might as well explainexactly what's happening. I have1900:01:09,990 --> 00:01:12,750the road caster Pro two.2000:01:14,790 --> 00:01:17,370It came in, it came in and2100:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,660Okay, so for people listening,they'll be like, Well, it sounds2200:01:21,660 --> 00:01:24,570different doesn't sound right.Of course it's not.2300:01:26,190 --> 00:01:32,940Because trying to set the soundof a new device is almost like2400:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,670wine tasting, where you tastesome wine and you're like, Okay,2500:01:38,670 --> 00:01:40,710I liked that. It didn't like it.But then you have a palate2600:01:40,710 --> 00:01:43,650cleanser. You know you have apalate cleanser, or you spit it2700:01:43,650 --> 00:01:46,290out and then wash out yourmouth. You can't do that with2800:01:46,290 --> 00:01:50,460your ears. You know, or at leastnot heard no way. First off.2900:01:50,580 --> 00:01:54,450Yeah. What I heard when I firstattached to the clean feed was3000:01:54,510 --> 00:01:56,490what sounded to me like3100:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,840somebody had drugs. Should Ieven say it?3200:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,540I don't want to pollute the theear like pollute the mind.3300:02:06,540 --> 00:02:09,840Pulusu if you say what you heardthen people will probably take3400:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,060take offense. I'm not going todo it. I'm keeping it to myself.3500:02:12,060 --> 00:02:14,730Yeah, I'm keeping his mess. Imean, I'm trying to be a Somali3600:02:14,730 --> 00:02:19,770a in it's not that I don't wantan audio Somalia. Yes, exactly.3700:02:19,770 --> 00:02:23,250Yes. Yes. Yeah. I hate the wayit sounds at this moment. It's3800:02:23,670 --> 00:02:26,700it sounds boomy, it soundsroomy, I'm not quite sure what3900:02:26,700 --> 00:02:27,420to think of it.4000:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,620But we'll just you know, we'lljust do the show. See, see how4100:02:31,620 --> 00:02:33,960we get through it. And then Ican adjust stuff accordingly.4200:02:35,190 --> 00:02:38,550Well, what is your overall yesimpression? Yes. This is what I4300:02:38,550 --> 00:02:42,330wanted to Gosh, it doesn't soundlike I'm talking through a 1950s4400:02:42,330 --> 00:02:45,960microphone. Is that just myears? Now? It does a little bit.4500:02:47,550 --> 00:02:49,740It does a little bit, but it'snot a bad thing. No, it's not4600:02:49,740 --> 00:02:54,360like Yeah, you sound mostly likeyourself to me. Okay. Like, I4700:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,210don't know exactly what I meanby that. Because I don't know4800:02:57,210 --> 00:03:01,920enough about audio to know whatparticular things right. Like4900:03:01,950 --> 00:03:05,220your your tone. Yeah. And like,5000:03:06,630 --> 00:03:07,680how do I describe5100:03:08,850 --> 00:03:13,260the way it feels like it's EQand the tone and everything is?5200:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,830That stuff feels right, thatdoes that does feel right. Okay.5300:03:16,860 --> 00:03:19,380Well, this is that's exactlywhat doesn't sound right. To me.5400:03:19,410 --> 00:03:20,940To me. It sounds like5500:03:22,140 --> 00:03:23,820well, then you're probablyright. And I'm completely right.5600:03:23,850 --> 00:03:27,000No, no, no, no, no. I mean,it's, again, you know, I have a5700:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,650hearing problems no matter what.5800:03:29,760 --> 00:03:36,300Okay, here, let me let me doterrible. Half, half as attempts5900:03:36,300 --> 00:03:39,450at describing Okay, when you'renot your music guy, you know6000:03:39,450 --> 00:03:43,980what, you know what audio soundslike? Okay, it sounds like6100:03:45,150 --> 00:03:47,250you are.6200:03:48,690 --> 00:03:51,540Okay, the difference between youremember how like in the old6300:03:51,540 --> 00:03:52,500days you would have6400:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,410look on a CRT,6500:03:56,970 --> 00:04:00,180the image would be, well, youcould always tell that the image6600:04:00,180 --> 00:04:02,640was slightly on the back of theglass. So there's always a6700:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,300little bit of distance betweenthe front of the glass and where6800:04:06,300 --> 00:04:07,260the image was.6900:04:08,490 --> 00:04:12,300It feels sort of like that, butwith audio. It's like it feels7000:04:12,300 --> 00:04:17,040like there's a sort of gapbetween my ears and your voice7100:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,450whereas what I'm used to withyou is feeling like you're right7200:04:21,450 --> 00:04:25,290in my eardrum like, which iswhat I want to be. Yeah, of7300:04:25,290 --> 00:04:25,680course. Yeah.7400:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,490I'll be honest with you. That'skind of the spot that I'm hoping7500:04:29,490 --> 00:04:30,870for. Yeah.7600:04:32,220 --> 00:04:33,090I feel like you're7700:04:34,530 --> 00:04:37,650you know, you're not you're notright up in. You're not You're7800:04:37,650 --> 00:04:41,250not punching my eardrums likeyou normally. Yeah, I know.7900:04:41,250 --> 00:04:43,620Exactly. I know exactly whatyou're talking about. It's8000:04:43,650 --> 00:04:46,500there's something going on.There's something I actually do8100:04:46,500 --> 00:04:47,400think it's EQ8200:04:49,050 --> 00:04:52,260because I think although youknow, actually I did just a few.8300:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,580It only has a three bandparametric EQ, which is8400:04:58,230 --> 00:04:59,970I wish it were at least five8500:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,060Over six, you know, because youjust can't you can set the bell8600:05:03,060 --> 00:05:07,470curve, but you just can't get tothe right. And to me, it just8700:05:07,470 --> 00:05:11,190sounds boomy. I hear the room.You're not hearing that.8800:05:12,509 --> 00:05:16,529I don't really hear maybe I'mnot. I don't know what I hear,8900:05:16,589 --> 00:05:21,959honestly. Okay. I don't knowwhat I hear sounds. Normally9000:05:21,989 --> 00:05:26,519you're just so present in theears. And this feels like9100:05:26,519 --> 00:05:29,399there's a little bit of a gap.Yeah, that's what I don't9200:05:29,399 --> 00:05:31,709understand. That's so weird.9300:05:33,030 --> 00:05:35,520What? What it what is it about?9400:05:36,780 --> 00:05:39,180About the Motu? Well, that9500:05:40,260 --> 00:05:44,370well, has that sound? Well,first of all, it's always going9600:05:44,370 --> 00:05:48,000to be the it's going to be thethe mic preamp, there's going to9700:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,230be a lot of different things.9800:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,910But it's actually quite a logo,almost a messing around with9900:05:53,910 --> 00:05:56,760stuff while I'm talking. It's avery, it's a very, it's a very10000:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,350low grade kind of preamp. Thewhole thing is it's really meant10100:06:01,350 --> 00:06:04,380for for stage monitors. It's noteven meant for what I'm using it10200:06:04,380 --> 00:06:04,770for.10300:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,680But it's also I've tweaked itover, you know, years and years10400:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,130of using it into something thatI really love. I mean, it never10500:06:14,130 --> 00:06:15,630happens right away. It's just10600:06:17,250 --> 00:06:21,180goodness. It's just sweet talkand you got to sweet you do you10700:06:21,180 --> 00:06:24,330got to sweet talk. But now letme talk about the device for a10800:06:24,330 --> 00:06:27,180second. Okay, these guys fuckingnailed it.10900:06:28,290 --> 00:06:31,530They nailed it. Oh, that's notreally nailed it. I still have11000:06:31,530 --> 00:06:34,200to get the sound right. But theynailed it.11100:06:35,370 --> 00:06:41,310In fact, it feels very much likethe podcast or Pro that Sergio11200:06:41,310 --> 00:06:46,050and I built back in the day. Ithas kind of the same. They can11300:06:46,050 --> 00:06:49,800see they solve things the sameway Now, mind you, I saw these11400:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,720things eight years ago, butokay.11500:06:54,210 --> 00:06:57,720This is this is your Trend your10 years. Yeah, exactly. 1011600:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,500years. Your Thank you very much.10 years too early once again.11700:07:04,830 --> 00:07:08,610Even with the way the way I'vegot to stop you. I can't help11800:07:08,610 --> 00:07:10,080it. I have to stop you rightnow.11900:07:11,310 --> 00:07:13,920What you just hit the bell.Yeah, I know. I know what you're12000:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,350gonna say. And then you heardthe noise gate go out. And then12100:07:16,350 --> 00:07:18,630the bell stopped. And then Istarted speaking you heard the12200:07:18,630 --> 00:07:24,630bell in the background. I heardyour I actually heard you your12300:07:24,630 --> 00:07:31,080hand. I could hear the the postin the bill going up and down.12400:07:32,250 --> 00:07:36,660Where instead of just thatinstead of just I heard12500:07:38,070 --> 00:07:42,210like I can hear that. Yeah,like, that's some and I don't12600:07:42,210 --> 00:07:45,150what is that? What is that's,that's one of those sound12700:07:45,150 --> 00:07:45,570effects.12800:07:47,130 --> 00:07:50,940Okay, but, like that's what Imean. I think there's some12900:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,880there's way too much compressionsomewhere something is over13000:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,640compressed, and I'm picking upthe whole room.13100:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,110It's interesting, because no oneelse seems to hear that. And was13200:08:01,110 --> 00:08:04,980like, No, sounds good. Like, areyour neighbors pouring concrete?13300:08:04,980 --> 00:08:05,640Exactly.13400:08:08,850 --> 00:08:10,710Okay, sorry. I didn't mean tointerrupt though. It's okay.13500:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,690That's okay. Let me try. Oh,wait a minute. How about this?13600:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,980This this this? I think I foundsomething. Oh, yeah, I think I13700:08:16,980 --> 00:08:19,500think I found a little magictouch here. Hello. Hello. Hello.13800:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,320Normally that sounded better.Sounds better. Right? Yeah.13900:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,400Okay. Ooh, we're catchingbutton. I did. Oh, I'm not gonna14000:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,020tell you what it was either.Otherwise, you're going to be14100:08:28,020 --> 00:08:28,920touching it baby.14200:08:32,730 --> 00:08:35,250Magic Button. I don't want youto touch it the magic button.14300:08:35,280 --> 00:08:41,280Okay. Now I feel better. Thatthat's really good. Yeah, it you14400:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,990know what? It's okay. So thepart they did really, really14500:08:45,990 --> 00:08:50,730well, which I wasn't expectingwas they have a final, you know,14600:08:50,730 --> 00:08:54,630an end, what do they call it themaster Compeller. And the master14700:08:54,630 --> 00:08:58,590compiler is, you know, it'sbasically a it's a it compels14800:08:58,590 --> 00:09:00,900the signal. So you can kind ofmash everything together. This14900:09:00,900 --> 00:09:05,700is what was missing from everysingle device. And on the road15000:09:05,700 --> 00:09:10,110caster, the original version.They they had it, but it would15100:09:10,110 --> 00:09:13,650only do that in the export ofthe audio file. I wouldn't do it15200:09:13,650 --> 00:09:17,220live in real time. So now theyhave it in real time. It you15300:09:17,220 --> 00:09:20,190know, I still need to do a fewthings here. But that was a15400:09:20,190 --> 00:09:23,730magic button that really thatmade a huge difference.15500:09:24,750 --> 00:09:29,550And you're using that button iscalled the Compeller. The mass15600:09:29,550 --> 00:09:32,340is not just the compiler. It'sthe master Compeller.15700:09:33,570 --> 00:09:37,500The master compiler and I don'tunderstand this master compiler.15800:09:38,130 --> 00:09:40,500It's like a compressor limiter.It's a compression limiter15900:09:40,500 --> 00:09:44,280basically. Now you probably alsodon't hear me as delayed as you16000:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,730were thinking before. Does itfeel like the CRT screen is16100:09:47,730 --> 00:09:50,430closer now? Does it feel alittle bit closer? Yeah, it16200:09:50,430 --> 00:09:52,770feels Yeah, it feels like I'veput it feels like I put on16300:09:52,770 --> 00:09:54,960reading glasses. Now. It's justa little bit closer.16400:09:57,150 --> 00:10:00,000Now what I want is that I wantit I want it right16500:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,570I had him rattle my eyeballs.Yeah, that's where I want to be.16600:10:06,390 --> 00:10:10,770He says, okay, yeah, this is,I'm gonna leave it the way it is16700:10:10,770 --> 00:10:13,860for now. So I'm just gonna getback to my review. Okay, yes,16800:10:15,059 --> 00:10:17,489this thing is completelyconfigurable. You can put it16900:10:17,489 --> 00:10:24,179together however you want. Ithas three USB interfaces, split17000:10:24,179 --> 00:10:29,789up over two different USBCplugs. So you can split17100:10:29,789 --> 00:10:32,069functionality between twodifferent computers if you want17200:10:32,069 --> 00:10:36,299to. That'd be really, these guysthought of everything we thought17300:10:36,299 --> 00:10:41,399of. I mean, but they went waybeyond, because it's in a17400:10:41,399 --> 00:10:45,929beautiful box that got faders.And ours was all software, we17500:10:45,929 --> 00:10:48,719were never intending to have awhole physical box with faders17600:10:48,719 --> 00:10:49,319or anything.17700:10:51,180 --> 00:10:55,380It's, I have to say, blows meaway. And now that I'm starting17800:10:55,380 --> 00:10:58,740to figure out the sound a littlebetter. I'm going to be really17900:10:58,740 --> 00:10:59,910happy with this box.18000:11:01,140 --> 00:11:06,090That I mean, it sounds I cantell about the sound that the18100:11:06,090 --> 00:11:09,990sound is there. Like, yeah, it'sthere. You just got to dial it18200:11:09,990 --> 00:11:13,860like the other day. That was no,I didn't have it would never be18300:11:13,860 --> 00:11:17,460there. Now. It didn't have itdidn't have it at all. So can18400:11:17,460 --> 00:11:20,520you do? So what about thephysical interface? Like the18500:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,080buttons and the triggers? Oh,that was I mean, you're using18600:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,580any of that. Yeah, I actually Iloaded up the cars.18700:11:30,690 --> 00:11:36,360Just for use sake, I really wantto be able to use the Smart pads18800:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,380for for instead of a cart deckthat I have, because then you're18900:11:40,380 --> 00:11:43,380dealing with yet another screenand with you know, and I was19000:11:43,410 --> 00:11:46,800that's and I basically just hadthis cart deck open and I mouse19100:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,890over and I'd click on stuff. Iused to have a touchscreen. But19200:11:49,950 --> 00:11:52,890you know, touchscreens are areal pain in the ass and, you19300:11:52,890 --> 00:11:55,920know, your computer reboots. Andthat, oh, it's misconfigured19400:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,740memory, how many times you wentthrough that shifts? Yes.19500:11:58,770 --> 00:12:02,610Horrible. You had an iPad at onepoint where you're triggering, I19600:12:02,610 --> 00:12:06,270think, yeah, but that one hadits own problems because it19700:12:06,270 --> 00:12:07,140would work through19800:12:09,300 --> 00:12:13,620through the network. So it wouldtalk to your to the program on19900:12:13,620 --> 00:12:16,200your computer. So you had to beeither on you have to be on the20000:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,650same network segment. And theninvariably I go to a hotel and20100:12:19,650 --> 00:12:22,380then you can already imagine howthat would go down. Oh, Lord20200:12:22,380 --> 00:12:26,460trying trying to route my iPadto trigger something through the20300:12:26,460 --> 00:12:30,900hotel network routing? Yes. Andthat's not going to work. And so20400:12:30,930 --> 00:12:35,430that actually, so I haven'tloaded in my eyes aren't quite20500:12:35,430 --> 00:12:39,690good enough to see exactly whatI have to get. Get used to where20600:12:39,690 --> 00:12:43,830all the buttons are. That's themost important one. And that20700:12:43,830 --> 00:12:48,090one, of course. So is are thesemp3 Is that you load into the20800:12:48,150 --> 00:12:51,660into the hardware. Yeah, there'sa software companion software20900:12:51,690 --> 00:12:54,810that you can also you don't needthe software at all, you don't21000:12:54,810 --> 00:12:57,180need to hook it up to a computerand the thing will work.21100:12:59,610 --> 00:13:04,350The metering is good as it canbe used for anything. You could21200:13:04,350 --> 00:13:07,560use it for your band, you coulduse it to record I mean, I21300:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,920haven't probably they've got alot of effects in there, which21400:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,860will be fun once I've got theactual sound worked out. And21500:13:13,860 --> 00:13:16,650that sounds yeah, I've got allthat the way I want it, like21600:13:16,740 --> 00:13:20,280demon voice and all that is goEMB you can actually set the21700:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,240depth. So you know, cuz usuallyit's kind of lame, these things.21800:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,460And you know, they have alltheir standard sound effects and21900:13:26,460 --> 00:13:30,030like, Oh, that's so nice. Youknow, I have a DJ Khaled sound,22000:13:30,030 --> 00:13:31,650I ripped that out right away goaway.22100:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,190Like, so could you use it onLinux without any problems?22200:13:40,230 --> 00:13:42,120I don't see why not.22300:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,060That will once I have it workinghere on the you know, just on22400:13:48,060 --> 00:13:51,150the Studio Windows box, then I'mdefinitely going to try it. I22500:13:51,150 --> 00:13:54,780mean, it seems, it seems likethese two interfaces would work22600:13:54,780 --> 00:13:57,630perfectly with whatever youknow, is standard. There's22700:13:57,630 --> 00:14:01,920nothing there's nothing fancyabout it. So yeah, so then it22800:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,650would just be a matter of thethe other software that I use,22900:14:04,650 --> 00:14:07,440which is Windows based, but thatI can run in wine, I'm okay with23000:14:07,440 --> 00:14:07,800that.23100:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,240You know, my, my midi controlplayers now with this thing can23200:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,860also do because now I have asmall What is it is a Korg nano23300:14:16,860 --> 00:14:20,670controller, which which I use.It's a MIDI controller and I23400:14:20,670 --> 00:14:24,930control eight different players.So if I have clips lined up, I23500:14:24,930 --> 00:14:28,650want to do a sequence of things.So that controls that. But I23600:14:28,650 --> 00:14:33,090could also map the faders on theroad caster to do that as well.23700:14:33,330 --> 00:14:36,360And how's it mean, how does itdo that? Oh, you map it you map23800:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,260you have to map the you have tomap the faders through MIDI and23900:14:40,710 --> 00:14:45,090right. Oh yeah, it's all MIDI.Okay. Yeah. I mean, you've24000:14:45,090 --> 00:14:49,050already got that you've got theMIDI setup. Yes. Yeah. But I24100:14:49,050 --> 00:14:52,890mean, I might try it with thewith the with the road caster24200:14:52,890 --> 00:14:56,490I'll have to see. So but that's,I have to say that's what I like24300:14:56,490 --> 00:14:59,970about it's very configurable.You can change you know you have24400:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,470Was it six faders. And then youcan have three virtual faders,24500:15:04,470 --> 00:15:08,400which you can control separatelywith one knob. I mean, it's24600:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,120right down to the, you know, ifyou have an external outputs,24700:15:12,330 --> 00:15:15,600studio monitors which I have asmall studio speaker,24800:15:17,100 --> 00:15:20,790when you open up the mic speakergoes off close the mic, then the24900:15:20,790 --> 00:15:23,550speaker goes on. So that'd bemore for like a music program.25000:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,180Also, if we were listening to aclip, I can talk back to you25100:15:27,450 --> 00:15:28,800outside of the recording.25200:15:30,990 --> 00:15:31,920I know what I mean like25300:15:33,390 --> 00:15:38,490so so if so let's say, just forargument's sake, I'm doing a25400:15:38,490 --> 00:15:41,280music radio show and record isplaying and I'm going to have25500:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,440you on as a guest, I can get youon clean feed, and then I can25600:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,680talk to you and we can talk toeach other outside of the25700:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,760broadcast. Just by me hittingtwo buttons, and then I release25800:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,740them and then I can bring you inon the air. You see what I'm25900:15:55,740 --> 00:15:57,150saying? It's called it's like atalkback.26000:15:58,500 --> 00:16:02,940Yeah, like a like an IFBB for anice show. Yeah, exactly. Right,26100:16:02,940 --> 00:16:05,760where I could even whispersomething in your ear while26200:16:05,760 --> 00:16:06,690you're speaking.26300:16:09,540 --> 00:16:12,990That, you know, but it wouldn'tbe recorded when we go over the26400:16:12,990 --> 00:16:16,230broadcast. Like right if you'relike, if you're trying to tell26500:16:16,230 --> 00:16:19,950me not to answer that questionfrom the reporter. Exactly. Or26600:16:19,950 --> 00:16:22,410next time we have a guest andwe're like, Oh, dude, like come26700:16:22,410 --> 00:16:24,030on, man. Let's move this guyalong.26800:16:27,420 --> 00:16:31,050Like that. I mean, that's that'sthat's pretty sweet. I can26900:16:31,050 --> 00:16:34,110already tell like I want thisthing but I can already tell27000:16:34,110 --> 00:16:38,430there's way too much stuff andstuff that I could I could screw27100:16:38,430 --> 00:16:42,480up well, okay, so and I'll saythey did something else they27200:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,600have wizard so they do havesetup wizard and they have27300:16:46,890 --> 00:16:50,700a standard or a couple ofdifferent standard settings that27400:16:50,700 --> 00:16:54,060they preset for you. So it'llsound kind of good. I found the27500:16:54,060 --> 00:16:57,990manual to be pretty reasonable.Oh, yeah. Pretty good manual.27600:16:57,990 --> 00:17:01,740It's it's online, but you know,it's put into sections and it's27700:17:01,860 --> 00:17:05,400it's good. Especially for theprice I think I was like 50027800:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,810bucks or something. Now I washearing that it was27900:17:10,830 --> 00:17:15,330the gain was enough to poweranything without an external28000:17:15,330 --> 00:17:19,290device. Is that true? On themicrophone? You mean? Yeah, like28100:17:19,290 --> 00:17:23,880could it could it power an RT320 with 100% Lift 100% And it28200:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,050also in I love this with my poorlittle ears you can set28300:17:28,050 --> 00:17:32,460different impedance headphones.To the headphones. I have the28400:17:32,460 --> 00:17:38,100headphones right now up to fiveon a scale of 10 Typically I'm28500:17:38,100 --> 00:17:38,820at 1128600:17:39,870 --> 00:17:42,450Oh wow. On any other device?Yeah, because I'm deaf. Yeah,28700:17:42,450 --> 00:17:45,210cuz I don't I can't wear myhearing aids. That would be fun.28800:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,950That would I would really28900:17:49,110 --> 00:17:49,950be really bad.29000:17:51,330 --> 00:17:52,500So you so you can29100:17:54,120 --> 00:17:57,630so that's the things got areally killer microphone amp.29200:17:57,660 --> 00:18:00,450Yeah, I mean, the headphoneheadphone amp or headphone amp29300:18:00,450 --> 00:18:03,540also also Mike app and you know,that's one of their selling29400:18:03,540 --> 00:18:06,360points is you know, you can'tyou wait until you wait until29500:18:06,360 --> 00:18:07,170you see our29600:18:08,580 --> 00:18:11,190winter you hear our preamps andagain Yeah, you don't need a29700:18:11,190 --> 00:18:11,970cloud lifter.29800:18:12,990 --> 00:18:16,320Ah, see that's I've got that inmy chain right there right.29900:18:16,650 --> 00:18:20,370Yeah, yes, right here is witheither me ended up pulling the30000:18:20,370 --> 00:18:22,770trigger on this after a fewmonths. Dave, you will love this30100:18:22,770 --> 00:18:27,510device. Awesome. Yeah. And hereally really well, I'm you30200:18:27,510 --> 00:18:30,180know, I'm still gonna have toyou know, bicycle around and30300:18:30,180 --> 00:18:34,650twiddle the knobs and you know,figure out exactly what works30400:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,190but already I'm so much happiernow that we found the Compeller30500:18:38,190 --> 00:18:42,840issue that compelled no no goI'm sorry. Go ahead. No, it's30600:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,230just a I mean, if this is theperfect show, you know full30700:18:46,230 --> 00:18:50,400scissors to do this because thenyou can take you can listen back30800:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,640to this and figure out whatexactly what tweak before you30900:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,490just unleash it'll no agendabecause Exactly. That's when you31000:18:56,490 --> 00:18:56,610get31100:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,100you don't sound right.31200:19:00,990 --> 00:19:04,320Well, what's interesting is yousign you sound the kind of great31300:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,400right out of the box.31400:19:06,510 --> 00:19:11,040I mean, that's just normal.Okay, there it is. All right.31500:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,150Thanks. Make everybody's devicesound good.31600:19:16,170 --> 00:19:20,580Everyone's device sounds betterwith Dave. Yeah, just slide it31700:19:20,580 --> 00:19:21,450in. Yeah.31800:19:22,500 --> 00:19:25,770One other thing one other technobullcrap if you want me to just31900:19:25,770 --> 00:19:29,400pass this along as I got toStarlink that that came32000:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,670yesterday, this box or the daybefore yesterday, this box came32100:19:32,670 --> 00:19:37,350today. This is the internetsatellite satellite internet32200:19:37,350 --> 00:19:37,710from32300:19:39,210 --> 00:19:40,230SpaceX.32400:19:41,310 --> 00:19:45,720Okay, and you have this you sentme a picture this sitting on top32500:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,240of your of your generator.Exactly.32600:19:49,620 --> 00:19:52,920So which is perfect combo that'sthe beautiful, it's exactly what32700:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,250you want to see. Exactly. Soit's really it's like it's32800:19:57,330 --> 00:20:00,000four pieces. What you get a dishyou get to stand for32900:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,440A dish and you have the33000:20:03,300 --> 00:20:07,920like Wi Fi router in one, andyou put the dish into the stand,33100:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,980click, you take the wire, yourun that into your house,33200:20:10,980 --> 00:20:15,330somehow I just for ease of use,I put everything into the, with33300:20:15,330 --> 00:20:18,600the pool equipment is that'sinside and I can just open the33400:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,000garage door and close that don'thave to drill a hole yet while33500:20:21,000 --> 00:20:21,720I'm testing it.33600:20:23,310 --> 00:20:27,750Then you plug the the antennawire multi plug into the into33700:20:27,750 --> 00:20:31,440the base unit, you plug in thepower cord, you plug the cord33800:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,340into the wall,33900:20:33,870 --> 00:20:38,100it boots up you they have an appand that app is what you use to34000:20:38,100 --> 00:20:42,780configure your network name andyour password. And that's it.34100:20:42,780 --> 00:20:45,480And by the time you've done thatthe satellite dish has already34200:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,880positioned itself automaticallyand it works.34300:20:49,170 --> 00:20:53,760So I mean, it was that mindboggling 10 minutes from from34400:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,920taking the stuff outside to itworking.34500:20:57,570 --> 00:21:00,600So you're telling me that likeyou just you plug the thing in34600:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,860and it begins to move and zeroesin on the satellite. Yep, the34700:21:04,860 --> 00:21:09,450minute it has power powers. Howdoes it know? How does it do34800:21:09,450 --> 00:21:15,150that? Oh, it's magic, I don'tknow. Well, so this dish, it's a34900:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,400rectangular dish. You have tolook at it online rectangular35000:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,530dish, and but it's concaved. AndI presume there's some there35100:21:22,530 --> 00:21:26,160obviously there's a motor inthere, that mate maybe the GPS35200:21:26,580 --> 00:21:29,310part is in there. That's all Imean, that's all got to be. I35300:21:29,310 --> 00:21:32,220don't know if the transmittersin the little box itself or in35400:21:32,220 --> 00:21:33,690the dish, I have no idea.35500:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,700But the minute has a signal andit knows its own position, it35600:21:38,700 --> 00:21:41,550just seems to zero in oneverything.35700:21:42,630 --> 00:21:47,880So this, I started to look thisup this thing up on SR to Google35800:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,020it. And35900:21:50,820 --> 00:21:53,940first thing I see is SpaceXStarlink, risks becoming36000:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,700unusable if dish gets 12gigahertz spectrum36100:21:57,780 --> 00:22:02,940is what what is what does thatmean? If if dish, at least on36200:22:02,940 --> 00:22:06,570that Dish Network? Yeah. Okay, Ithink I can explain this.36300:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,180Now, the Dish Network is goingto use 5g at. But that's, I36400:22:12,180 --> 00:22:17,160think a 12 to the 12 gigahertzspectrum. Okay, this is going to36500:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,560be in the same or close to thesame spectrum as the SpaceX. So36600:22:22,590 --> 00:22:26,640you know, if you have signals onthe ground that are blasting36700:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,220around at the same frequency,the dish is going to pick that36800:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,380up or it's going to there'sgoing to be a possibility of36900:22:31,380 --> 00:22:32,400harmonics or37000:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,650it's basically, you have a veryweak signal coming down and37100:22:37,650 --> 00:22:40,380going up from space. And thenyou can have these really strong37200:22:40,380 --> 00:22:42,930signals 5g on the ground.37300:22:44,790 --> 00:22:46,230That's the process. That's the37400:22:47,250 --> 00:22:52,110it's the same problem that theFAA is claiming they have with37500:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,100the37600:22:54,870 --> 00:22:55,830what is it the37700:22:57,150 --> 00:23:02,070automatic flight systems inaircraft, why they can't have 5g37800:23:02,070 --> 00:23:04,590near the airfield, because thatwill interfere because those37900:23:04,590 --> 00:23:11,070systems also use a form of thatfrequency to measure the38000:23:11,070 --> 00:23:12,120distance to the ground.38100:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,670Says the letter goes on to say a5g cellular network using the 1238200:23:17,670 --> 00:23:21,270gigahertz band would blow outand easily interfere with a38300:23:21,270 --> 00:23:25,680consumer Starlink access. Yeah,and they said it wasn't like 70%38400:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,330or something it would it wouldit would ruin 77.5% of the time38500:23:30,330 --> 00:23:33,480is what is this interferencethat causes degraded service38600:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,61077.5% of the time not to bespecific or anything but 77.5%38700:23:38,610 --> 00:23:40,770of the time, bro, just likepodcast as38800:23:42,870 --> 00:23:47,130the so like an interestingconversation related somewhat38900:23:47,130 --> 00:23:48,630related to this as I was39000:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,640from my day job. I was meetingwith Verizon rep yesterday, you39100:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,380know, and he was telling he wastelling me that they they're39200:23:58,830 --> 00:24:01,200pretty if I understood himcorrectly, they're sort of39300:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,610abandoning that whole initialthought with 5g where they were39400:24:05,610 --> 00:24:11,670going to put like this densemesh of block by block a39500:24:11,670 --> 00:24:15,750transmitters, Verizon or ingeneral, I think in general, but39600:24:15,750 --> 00:24:18,420that was the whole point is tohave all these micro cells. I39700:24:18,420 --> 00:24:20,190know we haven't beenFredericksburg. They've got39800:24:20,190 --> 00:24:24,930micro cell 5g All up and downMain Street. Well, he he's he39900:24:24,930 --> 00:24:28,020said this is sort of a recentthing because Verizon40000:24:28,020 --> 00:24:31,230specifically bought I think whathe called the C band.40100:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,790I don't know exactly what he wastalking about. They bought that40200:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,900from the SEC or well, theylicense a license that licensed40300:24:39,900 --> 00:24:43,080it Yeah, licensed it. Theylicensed it away. This is the C40400:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,400band isn't that the old like thehuge dishes? No way am I okay,40500:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,470keep talking. I'll look it up.I'll look it up. I'll see what40600:24:49,620 --> 00:24:52,830okay. He said he said that theythey bought this I think he said40700:24:52,830 --> 00:24:56,760the C band and he said that.This allows them to have 5g40800:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,550speed, five gig 5g speeds40900:25:00,329 --> 00:25:06,329without having to do the blockby block mesh thing. And that41000:25:06,419 --> 00:25:12,329that is going to be so mucheasier because the the CDs that41100:25:12,329 --> 00:25:15,899they were trying to put thesedense these mesh things in. Were41200:25:15,899 --> 00:25:19,049like charging them a fortune.They were like, yeah, so they41300:25:19,049 --> 00:25:22,709want to have just one bigger,bigger transmitter to cover a41400:25:22,709 --> 00:25:26,009certain area. Yeah. And he saidit's almost he said they're41500:25:26,009 --> 00:25:29,159using their staff. They're justusing now that they have this41600:25:29,309 --> 00:25:32,939frequency. He said they can get5g speeds with just their41700:25:32,939 --> 00:25:37,439standards, antennas they alreadyhave on on towers. He said they41800:25:37,439 --> 00:25:39,659don't need to do anything else.They don't need to put any sort41900:25:39,659 --> 00:25:45,029of micro or millimeter wave orwhatever this is it. No, I know42000:25:45,029 --> 00:25:47,009they don't have to do it. Butthey're missing out on a huge42100:25:47,009 --> 00:25:50,639market, I think in that case,because then then they can't do42200:25:50,639 --> 00:25:54,929with the vehicle tracking andpedestrian tracking and all that42300:25:54,929 --> 00:26:00,149stuff. The way he talked aboutit is the see the downtown areas42400:26:00,149 --> 00:26:02,939and the seniors. Thesemunicipalities were charging42500:26:02,939 --> 00:26:05,519them so much money that itwasn't it just wasn't fazed42600:26:05,519 --> 00:26:08,789everybody. Yeah. Everyonethought it was a bonanza. Yeah,42700:26:08,789 --> 00:26:13,229and so they were like, trying totrying to get approvals and pay42800:26:13,229 --> 00:26:16,229off everybody's this now we'rejust gonna call back. So you see42900:26:16,229 --> 00:26:20,939band is between four and eightgigahertz. So that's not very43000:26:20,939 --> 00:26:24,809high. And so so you can actuallygo a lot farther with that.43100:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,409Yeah, I mean, he acted like itwas the pennant. He was like43200:26:28,409 --> 00:26:31,079the, you know, the golden egg.They're like, Oh, yeah, we you43300:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,659know, we're good to go. Andwe're still going to call it 5g,43400:26:33,719 --> 00:26:36,029even though we've completelychanged how it changes43500:26:36,029 --> 00:26:39,599everything. Yeah. Which makessense to me like Birmingham,43600:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,449Birmingham, they don't have anyof that they don't have any of43700:26:42,449 --> 00:26:45,719that mesh stuff. None of thosestuff. None of those was it43800:26:45,719 --> 00:26:47,729really supposed to be mesh, Ididn't think it was supposed to43900:26:47,729 --> 00:26:50,999be mesh other than a bit moreindividual nodes that can do44000:26:50,999 --> 00:26:54,089certain things and have veryhigh throughput at close range.44100:26:54,629 --> 00:26:57,599I'm calling it mesh and that maybe the wrong terminology.44200:27:00,150 --> 00:27:01,920I'm talking about what you'retalking about where you just44300:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,760have like literally every blockhas its own little Yeah, okay.44400:27:05,790 --> 00:27:10,020Right. Yeah, just one for theblock. Yeah, and you just which44500:27:10,020 --> 00:27:13,590cannot can also be used to heatup your bacon if you're camping.44600:27:14,670 --> 00:27:17,910Stand here and you're good togo. You'll never sleep again.44700:27:20,490 --> 00:27:25,380Hey, the show The show is litonce again. Which means we have44800:27:25,380 --> 00:27:29,820the live item blasting. Andwe've got people in the in the44900:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,940chat room and it's this systemseems to be working pretty well.45000:27:32,940 --> 00:27:37,860I mean, I always follow thepodcasts podcast Live account. I45100:27:37,860 --> 00:27:41,430think it is. Yeah, I love thatthing. It's great. Really fun.45200:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,040Holy moly.45300:27:45,060 --> 00:27:49,260What just happened here? Whatwhat is it? Well, because you45400:27:49,260 --> 00:27:52,470know everything is still new. Idon't have the I don't have the45500:27:52,470 --> 00:27:57,000booster gram sound potted up.And so I just flipped over to45600:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,780hell. ypad45700:27:59,940 --> 00:28:00,600Hey, Tarr45800:28:02,580 --> 00:28:10,290just me I gotta count the zeros.Just oops that US 5 million45900:28:10,530 --> 00:28:12,390Satoshis podcast.46000:28:13,470 --> 00:28:20,520Holy crap. Are you serious? Yes,is it and it's for this show for46100:28:20,550 --> 00:28:23,940for the the live the live show.Let me read the boosted ramp46200:28:23,940 --> 00:28:24,840Sorry to interrupt.46300:28:26,580 --> 00:28:26,910Please.46400:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,470Pay tar says this is a BitcoinPublic Service Announcement46500:28:31,470 --> 00:28:35,610defending freedom money requireseternal vigilance. There will46600:28:35,610 --> 00:28:38,190always be scammy companies outthere trying to steal your46700:28:38,190 --> 00:28:40,860Bitcoin these charlatans arestarting to make their way into46800:28:40,860 --> 00:28:45,510podcast and 2.0 ecosystem. Oh,listen to the advice from Uncle46900:28:45,510 --> 00:28:48,570Marty and Uncle Matt. Stayhumble stack SATs hold your own47000:28:48,570 --> 00:28:52,410keys. Don't use leverage. Don'tyield farm. I love you all go47100:28:52,410 --> 00:28:53,310podcast thing.47200:28:58,290 --> 00:29:01,470Can I have a T shirt? Yeah, youcan have a T shirt.47300:29:02,550 --> 00:29:07,740I'll come over there and put iton your pizza. Holy crap. Whoa,47400:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,5505 million says what is what evenis that? As far as like47500:29:11,580 --> 00:29:16,410conversion goes? It's beyondwhat I do on a daily basis. So47600:29:19,410 --> 00:29:26,640thank you, Peter. I mean, bro.Your bra is like how did the47700:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,640chip My question is how did thechip was that an app payment?47800:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,520Because how did that channelsurvive? I'm actually looking47900:29:32,520 --> 00:29:32,670at.48000:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,330I'm looking at some. That's$1,000 Dave holy cow. Thank you,48100:29:39,330 --> 00:29:46,200brother. Oh my goodness. Do youso let's see. Oh, I'm48200:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,120dumbfounded by that. This Ithink is well, bombshell. We48300:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,230know that's what I'm lookingfor.48400:29:53,460 --> 00:29:57,180Hold on. I'm all messed up. Now.I got I'm on the new rig. You48500:29:57,180 --> 00:29:57,840can't find it.48600:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,420I see I thought I put big ballerin there. I can't imagine that I48700:30:03,420 --> 00:30:06,840didn't do that. There's a ballerin there in the rig somewhere48800:30:06,870 --> 00:30:10,200it's it's the green button hitit quick Hold on a second. I'll48900:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,660get your I got your baller righthere into this49000:30:15,330 --> 00:30:15,990podcast49100:30:17,340 --> 00:30:23,610shot Carla 20 This blades on Iam Paula Oh man. Amazing49200:30:23,610 --> 00:30:26,850ambitious 5 million sets get youa t shirt. Yes, yes, yes,49300:30:26,850 --> 00:30:30,330definitely. Crap. Alright, whatare we talking about? I49400:30:30,330 --> 00:30:33,480completely I completely lost mytrain of thought that was49500:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200excellent way to derail the showplease. By all means derail this49600:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,370puppy that oh man that isfantastically amazed that that49700:30:41,370 --> 00:30:45,990channel survived Um, I'd have tolearn real quick to see to see49800:30:45,990 --> 00:30:49,740exactly what's what happenedthere. Where did that come from?49900:30:49,740 --> 00:30:53,010Did that come out? Let me take alook. I mean, it came from curio50000:30:53,010 --> 00:30:55,860caster. So that went through LNPI guess.50100:30:57,450 --> 00:31:01,950Let me see REO caster. Yeah. Sothat yeah, that's deaf. That's50200:31:01,980 --> 00:31:05,250that's an LM or maybe it's anlb, maybe it could be lb Yeah,50300:31:05,250 --> 00:31:08,130but we let me see. Let me let mecheck the channels here. Which50400:31:08,130 --> 00:31:10,230is is kind of my responsibility.50500:31:11,610 --> 00:31:14,280is in the he's in the chat andmy feet are Where did where did50600:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,450that come from? Did that comefrom? From an lb? Cuz if it came50700:31:18,450 --> 00:31:21,180from Ellen pay, I think we haveto get a big chat we get.50800:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,070We have a 10 million Slackchannel with them. Let me okay.50900:31:28,380 --> 00:31:32,100I don't see it yet. Oops. Oh,now all of a sudden, I'm hearing51000:31:32,100 --> 00:31:36,360some sputtering noises. You hearthat? Eric says it came from his51100:31:36,360 --> 00:31:36,780heart.51200:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,660Let me see if it was throughLMP.51300:31:44,790 --> 00:31:49,380Whereas LM, yeah, that wentthrough LMP. Ellen pay, okay.51400:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,430Yeah, yeah.51500:31:51,540 --> 00:31:57,090Okay. If anyone wants to try andtop this, please don't do more51600:31:57,090 --> 00:32:00,930than 1,000,370 SATs becausethat's what we still have left51700:32:00,930 --> 00:32:04,140in the channel. This thing wegot. We got to rebalance this or51800:32:04,140 --> 00:32:06,990something. Roi balances. Roi.51900:32:08,730 --> 00:32:12,900Nice. Thank you, Peter. That'sThat's fantastic. Amazing. Well,52000:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,570so yes, that's what I wassaying. The show was lit that52100:32:15,630 --> 00:32:18,810and the minute I said that,boom, that happened crazy.52200:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,850Oh, well.52300:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,030Yeah, they kind of they kind ofthrew me off there.52400:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,200So do we want to talk about the52500:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,720want to pick up with the valuefor value? The the ethics? Yeah,52600:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,590we have a couple of things todiscuss. One of them? Well,52700:32:37,590 --> 00:32:40,890first of all, I would maybe weshould we kind of buried the52800:32:40,890 --> 00:32:44,580lede here. For me, the news ofthe day, congratulations to52900:32:44,850 --> 00:32:48,810Oscar and the team at fountain.What a great article in Bitcoin53000:32:48,810 --> 00:32:52,890magazine. You know, for sure, ofcourse, they forgot to mention53100:32:53,790 --> 00:32:58,800podcast and 2.0 and us, but it'sokay. That's actually I'm53200:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,090actually very happy because itit, it just looks like it's53300:33:03,090 --> 00:33:07,080something that's mainstream, youknow? Yeah. I'm always happy53400:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,220when other people tell ourstory. And so this is the53500:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,470well, it, I guess it it kind oflaunched as a get paid for53600:33:16,470 --> 00:33:19,680listening to ads, but then itbecame or maybe that was the53700:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,310original intent. And then itmorphed into, well, you know,53800:33:23,310 --> 00:33:26,340you get sad for listening tocertain shows that are promoted53900:33:26,340 --> 00:33:30,120certain shows get a five timesand the gamification just like54000:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,770brother started to blow my mindabout how cool that is. Yeah,54100:33:35,370 --> 00:33:39,960yeah. He had given us a heads upon it the other day and then54200:33:40,410 --> 00:33:44,730see, it was good to see thereception and appreciated pod54300:33:44,730 --> 00:33:45,690land yesterday.54400:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,090Because of the juxtapositionbetween Yes, the54500:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,040what it was like the eighth theeighth, so that was very hard to54600:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,070find. Yeah, that was very hardto follow that conversation. I'm54700:33:59,070 --> 00:34:01,800glad Sam understood it becauseI'm just like, Why did how does54800:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,580this entity there? Yeah, it'sfunny, but he seemed he seemed54900:34:05,580 --> 00:34:08,610very mean about Bitcoinunnecessary. Maybe I just55000:34:08,610 --> 00:34:12,090interpreted it that way. Yeah, Iwas having a hard time following55100:34:12,090 --> 00:34:15,210that whole thing, too. Becauseit seemed it seemed like it was55200:34:15,210 --> 00:34:17,700going to be something open andit sounded very proprietary.55300:34:17,700 --> 00:34:20,910Yeah, I didn't really understandbut then, you know, then Oscar55400:34:20,910 --> 00:34:23,610came with, you know, talkingabout fountain and it just,55500:34:23,610 --> 00:34:27,420it's, it's this, it's just open.I mean, I'll just, everything's55600:34:27,420 --> 00:34:31,170just open. I mean, like, it justuses lightning. And in plugs55700:34:31,170 --> 00:34:34,650into this. I mean, obviouslystuff within, you know, within55800:34:34,650 --> 00:34:37,680in his system, paying back forlistening and that kind of55900:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,260thing. That's, you know, his owndeal. It's kind of cool, though,56000:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,540when you're when you'relistening to a podcast, and then56100:34:42,540 --> 00:34:45,090you see this counter at the top,which is going you know, you56200:34:45,090 --> 00:34:48,480don't I don't exactly know thespeed at it, but it's like click56300:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,330Satoshi. Satoshi. Satoshi.There's something very exciting56400:34:51,330 --> 00:34:54,960about doing that. And then Ialso listened to one of the ads56500:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,030and it went click, click, click,click clicking okay, that's,56600:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,970there's something cool aboutthat payback.56700:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,170Next system and of course foronboarding people, so they have56800:35:04,170 --> 00:35:08,070some SATs so they can get thatvalue for value joy. Before you56900:35:08,070 --> 00:35:11,760end buying your your firstBitcoin I, you know, I'm57000:35:12,929 --> 00:35:15,749I'm typically not a fan ofbuying customers it's you know,57100:35:15,749 --> 00:35:19,049it's like a very subsidizingit's a very Silicon Valley kind57200:35:19,049 --> 00:35:23,399of way to do it. But in thecontext of value for value kind57300:35:23,399 --> 00:35:27,269of works, it felt comfortable.It felt good. It also felt57400:35:27,269 --> 00:35:27,929exciting.57500:35:29,970 --> 00:35:37,200Yeah, I think I think it's niceto have a way to, to have a sort57600:35:37,200 --> 00:35:37,590of57700:35:39,030 --> 00:35:42,690false it, but without it being.Yeah, without being an actual57800:35:42,690 --> 00:35:47,370faucet that someone has. Yeah,it's a faucet for engaging in a57900:35:47,460 --> 00:35:50,820community rather than just afaucet for just just like a58000:35:50,820 --> 00:35:54,060traditional a come, we'll justgive you some stuff. And you58100:35:54,060 --> 00:35:56,820actually have to do, you got tosit there and do so you got to58200:35:56,820 --> 00:35:58,020work on a piece of work.58300:35:59,430 --> 00:36:03,300Exactly. Perfect. I mean, it's alittle me it's a little chancy.58400:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,290But it's, it's kind of true,though, right? Because you're it58500:36:07,290 --> 00:36:10,470you know, it's easy to do 100%proof of work. I completely58600:36:10,470 --> 00:36:15,420agree. That's spot on. Yeah. Imean, I'm like you, I just58700:36:15,450 --> 00:36:19,380congrats to those guys. And Ireally, yeah, exploring all of58800:36:19,380 --> 00:36:22,770this stuff and trying to make itwork. And I think the day when58900:36:22,770 --> 00:36:23,670they launched it,59000:36:24,690 --> 00:36:28,560I think there must have been alot of SATs flowing. Because,59100:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,340you know, we got a significantamount of I mean, not our59200:36:32,340 --> 00:36:36,990typical seven or $12 a day, hewas more than that it was an I59300:36:36,990 --> 00:36:39,840don't know if that was a combo,someone else out there doing59400:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,020some kind of, you know, crazylit stuff or what that was, but59500:36:43,020 --> 00:36:45,600it was, I don't know, if therewas something going on there.59600:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,330Yeah, we get, we get a dailything from the node every, every59700:36:51,330 --> 00:36:55,080morning that shows you know howmuch income for the last day59800:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,990from SATs and it's dip, youknow, like on a show day or day59900:36:57,990 --> 00:37:00,780after show day, it'll be youknow, it'd be higher book, you60000:37:00,780 --> 00:37:04,560know, have a 50 bucks orsomething like that, but then on60100:37:05,190 --> 00:37:05,940a tip and60200:37:07,260 --> 00:37:09,600that's also boosts that come induring the show. It's not just60300:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,890the 1% No, that's, that's everybut it was like it was like a60400:37:13,890 --> 00:37:16,650Tuesday or Wednesday orsomething. It's like, oh, okay,60500:37:16,650 --> 00:37:19,980that's different. Yeah, cuzthat's normally like $3, you60600:37:19,980 --> 00:37:24,000know? Exactly. Exactly. Bugs.Oh, wait, somebody launched60700:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,650something that's kind of cool toto see that happen, is where,60800:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,720where you see on a random daywhere it's normally, you know,60900:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,470three to $5 worth of for thepast 24 hours, and all of a61000:37:37,470 --> 00:37:41,070sudden, it's 20. You're like,whoa, okay, something happened.61100:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,980I don't know what that was. Butit's neat. It's neat, sort of61200:37:43,980 --> 00:37:47,550see those tremors in the in thelightning ecosystem. It's pretty61300:37:47,550 --> 00:37:51,360cool. There's, there's so muchdata to go through and to figure61400:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,510out where stuff is happeningwhere it's coming from. Yeah.61500:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,850In I don't know about.61600:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,570I don't I don't know how thismaybe relates. But61700:38:04,620 --> 00:38:07,020I know that there was a lot oftalk this week on the index61800:38:07,020 --> 00:38:13,380about the fees? And how Yes, youknow, fee, should you should you61900:38:13,380 --> 00:38:16,740put the fee on top? Let me getus started. Get out of the I62000:38:16,740 --> 00:38:20,280know the genesis of theconversation, because I because62100:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,970I found myself, you know,entrenched in it and also62200:38:23,970 --> 00:38:26,490bothered in a way by some of thethings I was thinking or62300:38:26,490 --> 00:38:31,320hearing. And there was aconflict, we conflated something62400:38:31,350 --> 00:38:35,220on the previous episode, at theend, we're talking about no62500:38:35,220 --> 00:38:38,670agenda tube, and how no agendatube can get paid.62600:38:40,050 --> 00:38:43,020or have some kind of splitsomehow for the bandwidth and62700:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,140the storage of the usage. And62800:38:47,610 --> 00:38:49,950and I think as part of that wewere talking about,62900:38:51,150 --> 00:38:55,410you know, no agenda tube alsocreates a feed for everybody.63000:38:55,410 --> 00:38:58,260And in that feed, there'll be anautomatic split, which will be63100:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,990or a fee, that's kind ofirrelevant for the moment, it'll63200:39:00,990 --> 00:39:06,060be 20%. And, and, you know, sowe were kind of bantering about63300:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,430how would that work? And ifsomeone you know, and we also63400:39:08,430 --> 00:39:11,160got outside of the value forvalue concept, and we're I think63500:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,430we're a little too wrapped up init. Oh, yeah. You know, people63600:39:14,430 --> 00:39:18,480just stream SATs, you know,there's still a programming63700:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,300element that has to come alongwith it. And and when I say63800:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,450programming, I mean from apodcast or someone, you know,63900:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,420asking, you need to ask, it'snot all just automatic.64000:39:28,470 --> 00:39:32,250But what happened then, is,there was a conversation on the64100:39:32,250 --> 00:39:36,330social, and Stephen B wastalking about taking 20%64200:39:37,740 --> 00:39:42,360For curio caster, to which Isaid, Well, if there's any app64300:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,490out there that's going to insertand take 20%. You know, I don't64400:39:47,490 --> 00:39:48,630have control over that.64500:39:50,490 --> 00:39:52,680An app could take 50%64600:39:53,850 --> 00:39:55,800Now, I wouldn't be happy withthat.64700:39:57,060 --> 00:40:00,000So that's kind of where it camein to me is like well64800:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,250Oh, how does that work? I mean,then, I mean, the feed is the64900:40:05,250 --> 00:40:06,210source of truth.65000:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,490But it's not really true becausethere's still an open element,65100:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,440and anybody could usurp that ordo whatever they want. And it65200:40:16,620 --> 00:40:18,840doesn't have to be evil. It'sit. You know, it's just all I65300:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,400mean, if he feels that curiocasters worth 20%, but that 20%65400:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,840is 20% I'm not getting and, youknow, I personally feel that's65500:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,820too much. So that, to me, is thecrux of it. Not so much as who65600:40:32,820 --> 00:40:35,550pays for it is about who paysfor it.65700:40:37,230 --> 00:40:41,850Because, you know, there's auser who's using the app. And65800:40:41,850 --> 00:40:46,890they're presumably using it forfree. And there's the money that65900:40:46,890 --> 00:40:51,180the user wants to send. And theuser needs to be aware of that.66000:40:51,180 --> 00:40:53,760It's not just for the podcaster.But it's also for the66100:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,150infrastructure, including theapp you're using. So are we66200:40:57,150 --> 00:41:00,810talking about a best practice?Are we talking about, you know,66300:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,780something that can be regulatedsomething that the podcast or66400:41:03,780 --> 00:41:07,440control, something the user cancontrol? We're missing an66500:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,350essential piece, even though Ilove everybody and trust66600:41:10,350 --> 00:41:11,850everybody. I mean,66700:41:13,530 --> 00:41:19,710I look at breeze and I say, 5%,it's high, but they're really66800:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,890giving you a full lightningnode. And there's a whole bunch66900:41:22,890 --> 00:41:25,500of other things you can do withthat, which is clearly related67000:41:25,500 --> 00:41:30,990to money. And I'm okay with it.If it was 20%, I wouldn't be67100:41:30,990 --> 00:41:31,710okay with it.67200:41:32,730 --> 00:41:33,120But67300:41:34,170 --> 00:41:38,160here's, here's the way it feelsto me. So if the percentage of67400:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,180what it is,67500:41:40,410 --> 00:41:47,790is whatever, the podcast appcreator thinks that they need.67600:41:48,900 --> 00:41:53,040We're waiting. What do you mean,the percentage have? You got to67700:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,520expand on that? Of who? Yeah,so. So if you have a, if you67800:41:56,520 --> 00:42:02,340have a, let's just say, you havepodcast, podcast addict, okay.67900:42:02,610 --> 00:42:07,290And I noticed this better. Let'ssay it's a pod friend, you know,68000:42:07,290 --> 00:42:14,040Mark Martin has, is not makingmoney on pot for him. So he68100:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,730looks around one of these days.And he says, okay, in order to68200:42:17,730 --> 00:42:20,970monetize this and make it asustainable business, I see that68300:42:20,970 --> 00:42:24,810we're getting this manydonations, through boost and68400:42:24,810 --> 00:42:30,960booster grams. And I want in, Icould make this a monetize, I68500:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,220could make this a career,sustainable organ organization,68600:42:35,250 --> 00:42:40,200if I took 40% of all boost andboosted drives, right.68700:42:41,340 --> 00:42:41,730Then,68800:42:42,930 --> 00:42:46,800if that's if that's what heneeds in order to make a go of68900:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,010it,69000:42:48,060 --> 00:42:53,310I'm fine. I'm fine with that, isbecause for a couple of reasons69100:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,750he's making he's making thedecision if that means that he69200:42:57,750 --> 00:43:03,930has a more compelling app, thepeople, Mike, that people love69300:43:03,930 --> 00:43:11,430and migrate to. And he's doingthat for 40%. Well, then, we'll69400:43:11,430 --> 00:43:16,920the ecosystem ends up with anawesome app. And if people69500:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,390understand that he's taking thatmuch on both the Creator side69600:43:21,390 --> 00:43:25,080and the listener side, women,how did you do it on both sides?69700:43:25,770 --> 00:43:28,830No, I mean, I mean, if people onthe Creator side if the creators69800:43:28,830 --> 00:43:29,370understand that.69900:43:30,630 --> 00:43:33,870Yeah. And the listenersunderstand he's taking 40%.70000:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,070They are also going to makedecisions based on that as well.70100:43:38,070 --> 00:43:44,400And he may he he may loselisteners. I agree. Okay, so now70200:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,560we're into the next part. Thenext part ID is at 40%. fee. So70300:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,760that means 40% is gone, and thenthe 60% gets split up, or is it70400:43:53,760 --> 00:44:00,90040% of the 100%? It? So this isa good the way it's a critical70500:44:00,900 --> 00:44:03,810difference, I think, Oh, I dotoo. And that was the credit.70600:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,240That was the criticism ofunderstood it from hard hat was70700:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,050he was talking about fountain.Yeah. And he he, I don't know70800:44:10,050 --> 00:44:16,290this. I'm going to accept thatthis is the case. Maybe you can70900:44:16,290 --> 00:44:19,410confirm this, that fountain. Hewas saying that fountain takes71000:44:19,410 --> 00:44:24,810their fees on top of the 100%. Idon't know. And I don't know,71100:44:24,810 --> 00:44:25,200either. So71200:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,550that's part of the problem isthat has to be really clear.71300:44:30,750 --> 00:44:35,460Right? So if we can do it'stotally doable. Well, and I71400:44:35,460 --> 00:44:38,580don't think Oscar is trying tohide it. I mean, I don't think71500:44:38,580 --> 00:44:40,290he's being dishonest at all. No,not at all.71600:44:41,490 --> 00:44:46,290So the way that it wasenvisioned in the spec, is that71700:44:46,290 --> 00:44:48,570fees were always taken out ofthe 100%.71800:44:49,710 --> 00:44:53,640So what would happen is, and I'mgoing to describe the71900:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,700calculation this is allhappening, you know, in state72000:44:56,730 --> 00:44:59,970and fast. But what is that mean?72100:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,270When a payment is, isconstructed it the splits. So72200:45:06,300 --> 00:45:11,460the listener says, Okay, I wantto send 100 SATs per minute.72300:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,550Let's just do that for roundnumbers. I want to do 100 SATs72400:45:14,550 --> 00:45:20,910per minute. There's a, there'stwo splits to actual splits non72500:45:20,910 --> 00:45:25,440fee splits in there. Okay. Onefor you at 50%. One for me at72600:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,94050%. Yeah. And I'm then thenit's immediately going to get72700:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,640that adds, you know, you takethat and say, okay, 5050, then72800:45:36,090 --> 00:45:40,110you, then there's a third, let'ssay there's a third fee split in72900:45:40,110 --> 00:45:44,190there for 10%. Well, then, whatit's going to do is it's going73000:45:44,190 --> 00:45:47,520to take, the software would take100 SATs,73100:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,060subtract 10% of 100. From that,so it would take 10 SATs off the73200:45:54,060 --> 00:45:54,630top.73300:45:55,650 --> 00:45:58,980But, but what's happening isthat now the podcaster is73400:45:58,980 --> 00:46:00,420subsidizing the listener.73500:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,750Which is okay. But it's how isthe podcaster subsidizing the73600:46:06,750 --> 00:46:10,590listener, because the listeneris paying in the envelope, and73700:46:10,590 --> 00:46:12,570the listener is paying foreverything.73800:46:14,010 --> 00:46:16,500Whether they like the app ornot, they're there. They're73900:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,710paying for the app. And they,you know, you'd have to go look74000:46:19,710 --> 00:46:23,820at the split to see what isbeing taken. So if it's a if74100:46:23,820 --> 00:46:25,260it's 100, Satoshis.74200:46:27,210 --> 00:46:29,070Intended for the podcaster.74300:46:33,210 --> 00:46:34,680Let me see if I can say thisdifferently.74400:46:37,110 --> 00:46:37,830You,74500:46:39,060 --> 00:46:44,100the app is good. The apps arebuilt both for the users74600:46:44,100 --> 00:46:48,810typically. But they of course,you it's like chicken in the74700:46:48,810 --> 00:46:52,890egg. Does the app exist withoutthe content? Does the content74800:46:52,890 --> 00:46:57,480flow without the app? So who ispaying for the usage of the app?74900:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,790Who is using the app? In thiscase, the podcaster is75000:47:02,790 --> 00:47:08,820subsidizing it or is is givingpart of their? I don't know, I75100:47:08,820 --> 00:47:11,640don't know the answer. There's athere's a payment to the75200:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,120production and to the Creator.And there's a payment for the75300:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,530index, and there's a payment forthe app. And I think in your75400:47:19,530 --> 00:47:24,450scenario of okay, this appcharges too much. That's great75500:47:24,450 --> 00:47:26,460for a listener to decide.75600:47:27,540 --> 00:47:30,930But do they really care if ifthey're just giving 100 SATs?75700:47:30,930 --> 00:47:34,470And that's it that you know,okay, so this app takes 40%? I75800:47:34,470 --> 00:47:38,580don't care, maybe they do. Butif it's if it's really value for75900:47:38,580 --> 00:47:41,940value, then that almost shouldbe a separate thing outside of76000:47:41,940 --> 00:47:46,200the outside of the split? Youknow, I'm saying? I think I76100:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,870think what we're doing here isrehashing things that we've76200:47:48,870 --> 00:47:52,770already that we already sort oftalked about a while back, or or76300:47:52,770 --> 00:47:55,740that were there at thebeginning. And we've maybe76400:47:55,740 --> 00:47:58,170forgotten that they were thereand that we already sort of76500:47:58,740 --> 00:48:01,440figured it out. Because whatwhat happened at the beginning,76600:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,130as we said,76700:48:03,270 --> 00:48:04,950you know, there's a separate76800:48:06,540 --> 00:48:09,420there's, there's gonna be a fee,the apps gonna take a fee, they76900:48:09,420 --> 00:48:13,170can they can decide what thatfee is. The critical part is77000:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,020they have to, they just have tobe transparent about it.77100:48:16,470 --> 00:48:20,130Everybody has to know, to say,Okay, everybody knows, but77200:48:20,130 --> 00:48:23,370everybody knows where he is. Buthere's the thing. If if I know77300:48:23,370 --> 00:48:26,220that curio caster is taking 40%77400:48:28,350 --> 00:48:31,620I'm glad by the way he's nottaking just to be clear, he's77500:48:31,620 --> 00:48:33,900not taking he's only taken 3%.But77600:48:35,310 --> 00:48:37,440for people listening, I don'twant the Oh no, no, no one's77700:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,340doing this is taken. But yeah,okay. But curio caster, Steven B77800:48:41,340 --> 00:48:46,860specifically mentioned 20%. So Ifind that it's talking about in77900:48:46,860 --> 00:48:51,060a to taking 20%. No, in theconversation in the thread,78000:48:51,060 --> 00:48:54,180that's where it started. But inthe thread, it came down to78100:48:54,210 --> 00:48:58,200well, why would I charge 20%? Asa hypothetical?78200:48:59,340 --> 00:49:02,580I don't know how, okay, as ahypothetical, it doesn't matter78300:49:02,580 --> 00:49:05,850if it's hypothetical. If thathappened, I would probably tell78400:49:05,850 --> 00:49:10,200people try a different app. Usea different app. This guy's78500:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,330taken money from me, I thinkit's too much you really think78600:49:12,330 --> 00:49:15,210it's worth it used that app?It's strife that I don't want to78700:49:15,210 --> 00:49:20,490have? I don't want to have that.But I don't think you can see78800:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,340it. No, I know you can't controlit. But we might as well talk78900:49:23,370 --> 00:49:26,730since something that happenedthere bothered me and other79000:49:26,730 --> 00:49:29,460people were also and there'sstill different opinions.79100:49:31,260 --> 00:49:35,400I mean, it's okay, so how aboutthis, okay, just for the same79200:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,140reason, we insert 5%. Now,because I think what we're doing79300:49:40,140 --> 00:49:41,460is just that valuable.79400:49:43,230 --> 00:49:45,930And when you know, what willeverybody agree with that?79500:49:46,860 --> 00:49:49,200There's going to be apps outthere if we and this is what I79600:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,870said, this is the mark, themarketplace will correct that.79700:49:51,870 --> 00:49:57,480Because if we if we did that, Iguarantee you that some apps79800:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,000would stop sending that becauseit's completely volun79900:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,090theory, like the, the way thatif what I meant by start to say80000:50:06,090 --> 00:50:09,870you can't control that what Imeant is, that's not exactly80100:50:09,870 --> 00:50:13,290accurate, you actually cancontrol it somewhat by the power80200:50:13,290 --> 00:50:17,130of the microphone. You can tellyour your leg. That's exactly80300:50:17,130 --> 00:50:19,140what, that's exactly what I'msaying. Yeah.80400:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,550But I'd like Yeah, but But whatwhat I was trying to get at80500:50:23,550 --> 00:50:26,490those like, I'm agreeing withyou that you can you can exert a80600:50:26,490 --> 00:50:30,060measure of control over thatinfluence. But what I was80700:50:30,330 --> 00:50:35,220intended to say was that you,you can't stop them from doing80800:50:35,220 --> 00:50:40,470it. No, of course, they whatwhat will stop people from80900:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,950charging exorbitant fees is81000:50:45,150 --> 00:50:48,750they know, they know thateverybody knows about it, and81100:50:48,780 --> 00:50:53,160everybody takes a dim view ofit. And some, for some people81200:50:53,430 --> 00:50:57,150like it, I don't see it anydifferent is the way it works81300:50:57,150 --> 00:51:02,430today. Like for me, some appsthat charge subscriptions aren't81400:51:02,430 --> 00:51:07,200worth it. And I just don't usethe app. But some, some apps81500:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,010that charge monthlysubscriptions, I get enough out81600:51:11,010 --> 00:51:14,490of it to where I'm like, okay,you know, and I'll pay it and81700:51:14,490 --> 00:51:16,920understand what you're sayingthat that comes out of your81800:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,260bottom line. But then what? Whatif your audience knows that81900:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,350that's your responsibility tolet the audience or our82000:51:25,350 --> 00:51:28,770responsibility, let the audienceknow that and say, you know,82100:51:28,770 --> 00:51:32,610hey, by the way, if you're usingsuch and such app, just82200:51:32,610 --> 00:51:34,740remember, they take you know,they take a higher percentage.82300:51:34,740 --> 00:51:37,380So if you're pinging againstsend us money, just like you do82400:51:37,380 --> 00:51:40,950with PayPal, or Patreon oranything like that, you say, you82500:51:40,950 --> 00:51:45,420know, hey, you know, subscribeto us, send us a send us some82600:51:45,420 --> 00:51:49,110money on paypal. Remember, ifthere's a credit card, you know,82700:51:49,230 --> 00:51:52,380remember the credit card fees isto comes out of our neck comes82800:51:52,380 --> 00:51:55,800out of our pocket. Thank you.And there's there's exactly one82900:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,610of the problems.83000:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,550It's a marketing issue.83100:52:01,110 --> 00:52:04,080This is what hardhats problemwas, he was like, Hey, I thought83200:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,630it was sending this to thepodcaster. That's bullshit. That83300:52:06,630 --> 00:52:08,280is that you're taking part ofthat.83400:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,510That's obviously not how it'sset up. And you're just gonna83500:52:12,510 --> 00:52:13,380have to live with that.83600:52:17,370 --> 00:52:17,940I just83700:52:19,410 --> 00:52:24,210historic? I don't know, I do. Weshould just do whatever. I have83800:52:24,210 --> 00:52:26,850no idea how to how to solvethis. It comes down. You're83900:52:26,850 --> 00:52:34,500right. Yes. I'd like the apps tobe transparent about it. And84000:52:35,310 --> 00:52:38,190I'm, you know, it's very smallletters everywhere.84100:52:39,300 --> 00:52:43,320And I don't know the fees ofevery single app. I just I don't84200:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,570know. And to be honest, youknow, credit card fees, although84300:52:48,570 --> 00:52:51,990there's no credit card involved,you know, it's 3%. You know, we84400:52:51,990 --> 00:52:56,970could be looking at 789 10%,that could turn some people off,84500:52:56,970 --> 00:52:59,130if you tell them how much you'retaking, you know, I'm saying84600:52:59,130 --> 00:53:02,790it's like, this is atransitionary period. And we've84700:53:02,790 --> 00:53:05,970never had dealt with this kindof flow in the value for value84800:53:05,970 --> 00:53:06,630chain.84900:53:07,830 --> 00:53:11,910So if anything, we need a lot ofeducation from the app85000:53:11,910 --> 00:53:15,030developer, so people understandexactly how it works. And more85100:53:15,030 --> 00:53:18,090importantly, why. Because thatwas the exception I took to85200:53:18,090 --> 00:53:21,600heart hat is like he basicallywants to use that app for free.85300:53:21,780 --> 00:53:25,200He says, I don't care that I'musing that app. And I'm85400:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,270paraphrasing, that may not beall he feels at all. That's how85500:53:27,270 --> 00:53:34,530it came across. So yeah, if so,I don't want to use Patreon. For85600:53:34,530 --> 00:53:38,490anything I do. Because I knowthat and I'm not saying they're85700:53:38,490 --> 00:53:41,190bad guys, it's just that theycharge high fees. Yes. And I85800:53:41,190 --> 00:53:44,040really just don't, I don't wantto deal with I don't want to85900:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,780donate, I don't want to donate$10 to a podcast and know that,86000:53:48,810 --> 00:53:53,250ya know, to $2 goes to Patreonor wherever to Patreon. Yeah, I86100:53:53,250 --> 00:53:56,910don't want that. And so I choosenot to use it. And it's the same86200:53:56,910 --> 00:54:00,810way with a podcast app. If I ifI as the listener know that a86300:54:00,810 --> 00:54:04,350particular podcast app charges arate that I'm uncomfortable86400:54:04,350 --> 00:54:08,070with, I'll just stop using itand and find a different app.86500:54:08,580 --> 00:54:12,210But you know, Oscar had a greata great point he's with with86600:54:12,210 --> 00:54:15,840with with high fat, he was like,you know, you the fees go away.86700:54:15,870 --> 00:54:18,600We don't charge fees, if yousign up for for the premium for86800:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,230their monthly thing. And to me,that's fine too, as like, you86900:54:22,230 --> 00:54:23,970know, that makes sense. Well,you87000:54:25,110 --> 00:54:29,310make money somehow and in we'regiving you these two options so87100:54:29,310 --> 00:54:33,210that we're giving you an optionso that you can you're in order87200:54:33,210 --> 00:54:36,210to be a success. And that goesthis goes back to the very87300:54:36,210 --> 00:54:41,580beginning of what we have whatwe intended to do is everybody87400:54:41,580 --> 00:54:46,710makes money. This time the apphas to make money. Tote app has87500:54:46,710 --> 00:54:49,320to be sustainable, of course, Imean, this was the original87600:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,210concept. It just when I readstuff about 20% I just like shit87700:54:54,210 --> 00:54:56,850now we're gonna have to go andargue about that on shows and87800:54:56,850 --> 00:54:59,970stuff like that and I just don'twant it you know, and do it87900:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,010Find 5% acceptable maybe?88000:55:04,110 --> 00:55:04,530Now,88100:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,380remember, we're getting 1%.88200:55:08,670 --> 00:55:11,940Right? And we're in, you'redoing a fuckload of work.88300:55:13,950 --> 00:55:17,820Yeah. But that, you know if andNo, no, no, no, no. And there's88400:55:17,850 --> 00:55:20,790no there's one other thing,people are looking at absolute88500:55:20,790 --> 00:55:21,810numbers right now88600:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,790that all the money is shit, noone's making any actual gobs of88700:55:26,790 --> 00:55:29,430money here, particularly nowthat you know that we see the88800:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,790prices down, because it's notlike the Well, in our case, we88900:55:32,790 --> 00:55:36,780happen to have one person whounderstood the the new exchange89000:55:36,780 --> 00:55:38,880rate, thank you very much, hey,dar.89100:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,880But, you know, so I just don'twant people raising their their89200:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,320rates, because if they, youknow,89300:55:47,940 --> 00:55:51,090the same rate as if bitcoin goesdown, then the rates go up, you89400:55:51,090 --> 00:55:53,400know, it just felt like rateinflation was creeping in,89500:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,190because people want to makemoney, they're not making money89600:55:56,190 --> 00:56:01,620yet, but I've seen our 1% as thelong game, and it may be 1089700:56:01,620 --> 00:56:04,950years, that will be actuallykind of my timeline. And then89800:56:04,980 --> 00:56:08,220then there will be enough,there'll be enough mass. So I89900:56:08,220 --> 00:56:12,210don't want to scare people awaywith high fees. I guess that's90000:56:12,210 --> 00:56:15,870what I'm saying. And, you know,it just feels like 5%, I think90100:56:15,870 --> 00:56:18,570is a lot of money. And a lot.It's a high percentage90200:56:19,650 --> 00:56:24,300per user. But I'm notcomplaining. But I'm just90300:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,450saying, I find it a lot. If youwant to compare all the work and90400:56:27,450 --> 00:56:30,360what everybody feels, I may feela little differently about the90500:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,170index fee.90600:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,970It's funny how much I disagreewith you on this, like,90700:56:37,230 --> 00:56:42,720maybe not, it's not really aboutthe the framing of it, but just90800:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,100about sort of how it justdoesn't bother me at all. As a90900:56:47,100 --> 00:56:48,300matter of fact, I want91000:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,670people are want apps to startcharging, start experimenting91100:56:53,670 --> 00:56:58,800with charging wacky fees, to seea bit of a fee, but the wacky91200:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,130fee is being what's the see whathappens is as a creator, I'm91300:57:02,130 --> 00:57:05,670like, Oh, that was a funexperiment. I just got 5% or91400:57:05,670 --> 00:57:09,06010%. Less. So that was fun.Don't you have to understand91500:57:09,060 --> 00:57:13,740from my side as a creators like,well, what are we doing? Now say91600:57:13,740 --> 00:57:17,340I'm a creator to now. And so andit comes out of our out of my91700:57:17,340 --> 00:57:22,650pocket, too. And I'm not, I'mnot, to me, now is the time to91800:57:22,650 --> 00:57:28,230do it. Now's the time when, whena lot of podcasters are going to91900:57:28,260 --> 00:57:33,060may be going to this as as aexpansion of their monetization,92000:57:33,450 --> 00:57:38,370or they're sampling it in orderto figure out if this is viable.92100:57:38,940 --> 00:57:44,160That the this is the time forthere to be all sorts of Wildcat92200:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,210craziness so that we can figureout because here's, here's,92300:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,770here's, I think I think I justrealized what my what my92400:57:52,770 --> 00:57:56,880thinking is. Because we've we'vebeen under the impression the92500:57:56,880 --> 00:58:04,770entire time that okay, 5%, or3%, or 1% is enough to sustain92600:58:04,770 --> 00:58:09,240an app. But what if it's not?Well, at scale that this is this92700:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,870is part of what I'm saying is Ithink people are looking at, I'm92800:58:12,870 --> 00:58:15,330not making any money on this.And you're certainly not making92900:58:15,330 --> 00:58:20,220a lot of money since Bitcoinwent down by you know, 60 60%.93000:58:20,850 --> 00:58:24,330So that's much less. So I don'twant to see these fees to get93100:58:24,330 --> 00:58:27,420out of control. Because peoplewant absolute numbers, we only93200:58:27,420 --> 00:58:31,680have seven or seven and a half1000 podcast that are using this93300:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,160at all, we need 70,000 And thenall of a sudden, it's going to93400:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,570be a lot more attractive. AllI'm saying here is in the let's93500:58:39,570 --> 00:58:43,740do it. Now I agree. And Andright now, what I'm doing is I93600:58:43,740 --> 00:58:48,360do not have a market forces toolin this equation. The app has93700:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,850the tool, they can determinewhat they want to charge, I93800:58:50,850 --> 00:58:54,240can't determine what the personis going to charge to. And I'm93900:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,940saying I have no way to fightback other than when my94000:58:56,940 --> 00:59:00,240microphone, which is aninherently negative approach, I94100:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,390don't want to have to be tellingpeople don't use that because I94200:59:03,390 --> 00:59:07,680disagree with the fee. I'd liketo try and find a way to94300:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,960circumvent that, or to94400:59:10,980 --> 00:59:13,350kind of do something else.94500:59:14,820 --> 00:59:19,680I'd rather signal to an app,like I'm willing to give you 5%94600:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,790versus you take whatever youwant. And I'll just have to see94700:59:23,790 --> 00:59:26,580when it happens. I don't feellike I'm a participant in a94800:59:26,580 --> 00:59:27,120market.94900:59:29,910 --> 00:59:32,940I understand. I understandexactly what the what you're95000:59:32,940 --> 00:59:37,170describing you. What you'redescribing is, is you know, when95100:59:37,170 --> 00:59:40,200you say it, I don't want to getinvolved in the negativity to95200:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,050try to fix up. Well, that's theonly way that's the only way I95300:59:43,050 --> 00:59:46,020can participate in the in thepricing market of what I'm going95400:59:46,020 --> 00:59:48,930to ultimately receive or thesplits that I've determined95500:59:48,930 --> 00:59:52,470which I love. I love that I candetermine what goes where. But I95600:59:52,470 --> 00:59:56,850don't I don't. Right but I don'tknow that it necessarily has to95700:59:56,850 --> 00:59:59,970be negative because what youwhat you say like95801:00:01,050 --> 01:00:07,380Imagine a future scenario wherethere's seven, seven podcast95901:00:07,380 --> 01:00:10,680apps that are sort of in theecosystem doing value for value.96001:00:11,340 --> 01:00:15,750And you as the podcaster aregetting SATs from a sprinkling96101:00:15,750 --> 01:00:19,230of each one of them all thetime. And you noticed that one96201:00:19,230 --> 01:00:24,210of them, you become aware thatone of them has up is up their96301:00:24,210 --> 01:00:28,110fees. Also 25% The becomingaware part we still have to work96401:00:28,110 --> 01:00:31,860on but yeah, okay. Forargument's sake, yes. Yeah.96501:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,420Well, so I mean, it'll becomeobvious from looking at what96601:00:36,420 --> 01:00:40,680comes through, you know. And soif you, if you find that out,96701:00:40,740 --> 01:00:43,920and you say on your show, youknow, hey, if you're using this96801:00:43,920 --> 01:00:49,350app, they take 25%. Just pleasekeep that in mind when you boost96901:00:49,410 --> 01:00:52,590that. That doesn't, that doesn'teven have to be necessarily97001:00:52,590 --> 01:00:55,890negative. That's just to say,That's reminding you That's97101:00:55,890 --> 01:01:00,000telling your audience, hey, thisapp is charging this much. And97201:01:00,150 --> 01:01:03,060the thing is, this is what I wastrying to say while ago, maybe97301:01:03,060 --> 01:01:07,170they need to charge that much.Maybe the app in order in order97401:01:07,170 --> 01:01:10,080to let me finish the other realquick. Maybe the app needs to97501:01:10,080 --> 01:01:16,740charge that much. And if theydo, and nobody else does, then97601:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,400they won't survive. And theproblem corrects itself. Because97701:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,460they've overspent and theiroverhead is wrong, and they97801:01:23,460 --> 01:01:27,120can't get their business. Theycan't get their their97901:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,470monetization strategy. Correct.Okay. So the problem here is,98001:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,310they're not charging, they'renot changing the amount of the98101:01:35,310 --> 01:01:39,630actual user, the pod, thecreator is paying for the user.98201:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,330For the users fee, really.98301:01:43,860 --> 01:01:47,040You understand? It's like, I'mnot paying for your premium98401:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,940subscription to fountain, youpay that, and then all then all98501:01:50,940 --> 01:01:54,330of a sudden, all fees go away.So if you don't pay for it, I'm98601:01:54,330 --> 01:01:55,110paying for it.98701:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,050Right? So. But I'm not, but I'mnot using the app. I'm okay, how98801:02:01,050 --> 01:02:03,690about this? I do have a marketforce,98901:02:04,950 --> 01:02:05,790the block tag.99001:02:08,070 --> 01:02:09,750But you do use the app.99101:02:10,860 --> 01:02:14,010You use the app as a credit.That's the that's the radio.99201:02:14,790 --> 01:02:17,850That's the receipt of the radioreceiver. You Yes. Oh, dirt99301:02:17,850 --> 01:02:20,700without the receive? No, but Idon't have to pay for radios.99401:02:21,780 --> 01:02:25,320I've never had to buy everyone aradio. But don't but don't you99501:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,210though, I mean, everybody has toeventually. The the date always.99601:02:31,260 --> 01:02:34,140This is a fan, I understandexactly where you're coming99701:02:34,140 --> 01:02:37,770from. I want apps to make money.We designed this in this manner.99801:02:38,940 --> 01:02:39,630But99901:02:41,280 --> 01:02:47,190now we're at a point where theexperimentation is is always at100001:02:47,190 --> 01:02:52,740the creators cost. Not anadditional cost to the user who100101:02:52,890 --> 01:02:55,650is yes, my content is out there.100201:02:57,420 --> 01:03:01,650And I need apps for people touse it. But I feel like the user100301:03:01,650 --> 01:03:05,310should be paying for theexperimentation as well, if it's100401:03:05,310 --> 01:03:08,670going to be 20%. I didn't doanything different.100501:03:10,260 --> 01:03:13,680So I just got less value fordoing the same thing. I mean,100601:03:13,980 --> 01:03:16,110it's it may be a semanticargument.100701:03:18,150 --> 01:03:22,440It just it just doesn't feelright. That, you know, I mean,100801:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,740but the the value. Value.100901:03:27,060 --> 01:03:29,910No. Okay, let me let me let metry it again.101001:03:31,950 --> 01:03:35,370The user at this point, the wayit's been done, the way we've101101:03:35,370 --> 01:03:38,880set it up, does not realizethey're supporting the app.101201:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,990I don't think most of themrealize that.101301:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,210So it would be nice. If101401:03:49,410 --> 01:03:52,950somehow that became apparentwhen the when so that the user101501:03:52,950 --> 01:03:56,100can always be deciding if theyif that's a good,101601:03:57,210 --> 01:03:59,700if that's a good value for them.101701:04:00,900 --> 01:04:05,280Now you get into a situationwhere they and Harv had been101801:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,060around he's been he's been usingapps for a while he's been been101901:04:09,060 --> 01:04:13,350boosting and streaming sites, tohim the real. And I'm on his102001:04:13,350 --> 01:04:16,590side in this part of theargument. He says, Well hold on102101:04:16,590 --> 01:04:19,890a second, I'm, I want this to goto the podcaster. Now you're102201:04:19,890 --> 01:04:24,870taking a part of it, he clearlywasn't aware of how its102301:04:24,900 --> 01:04:26,940functioning. And102401:04:28,500 --> 01:04:32,100I just think there's there mustbe a better way so that the user102501:04:32,100 --> 01:04:37,530understands and that the user,you know, helps. I want users to102601:04:37,530 --> 01:04:40,800also be contributing towards theapp and not just the Creator102701:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,880always being the one whocontributes their portion. Does102801:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,930that make any sense?102901:04:47,310 --> 01:04:48,330Yeah, yeah.103001:04:49,650 --> 01:04:52,650I think it makes it yes, itmakes sense.103101:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,520Um, my argument is just that Idon't think you can. You can't103201:04:59,880 --> 01:04:59,970do103301:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,530I think the amount of103401:05:03,810 --> 01:05:06,090control that you're thinking of103501:05:09,570 --> 01:05:12,210it's not controlled, it's notcontrolled. But why wouldn't why103601:05:12,210 --> 01:05:15,660wouldn't you? Why wouldn't theuser pay the extra when they're103701:05:15,660 --> 01:05:19,200experimenting with new features?Okay, that thank you for stating103801:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,850it that way. That helps, thathelps me, because this goes back103901:05:23,850 --> 01:05:26,130to what I say. And while theuser does pay104001:05:27,210 --> 01:05:34,200your, your, excuse me, you, youdo pay, you, as the creator,104101:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,330always pay something. And yousay, Well, you know, the user, I104201:05:39,330 --> 01:05:41,460don't, I don't pay for theradios, I don't pay for the104301:05:41,460 --> 01:05:42,210receivers.104401:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,580Well, you didn't pay for itdirectly. But that $1,000104501:05:47,580 --> 01:05:51,510iPhone, that the that yourlistener bought, that's now104601:05:51,510 --> 01:05:55,380$1,000 less than they out oftheir budget that they could104701:05:55,380 --> 01:05:59,430possibly send to you. So theyjust, you know, the the money104801:05:59,430 --> 01:06:02,460that your listeners arespending, to get into the104901:06:02,460 --> 01:06:06,150ecosystem and to participate inthe ecosystem does always,105001:06:06,510 --> 01:06:10,200ultimately come out of yourpocket as well. And so that's105101:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,000really the thing with the appsis that they, Oh, they've almost105201:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,480been completely cut out of allof that. So Apple, you know,105301:06:18,510 --> 01:06:22,560Apple got their $1,000 for theiPhone. And then you have no105401:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,120argument, no argument. It was Ithink I came to you with the105501:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,710whole planet being the appsgetting paid. My only issue is,105601:06:32,010 --> 01:06:35,760when there's experimentation inthe pricing, the user will not105701:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,600know about that, oh, I just Idecided on Thursdays, I'm105801:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,110charging 50% of everything,because I can't make it work.105901:06:43,110 --> 01:06:46,350Otherwise, this is not somethingyou're going to advertise. I106001:06:46,350 --> 01:06:49,200don't think like, Hey, by theway, today's a special we're106101:06:49,200 --> 01:06:55,260taking 50%. Now, so the only wayfor that to happen is if someone106201:06:55,260 --> 01:06:59,460sees there's an additional feethat goes for the usage of this106301:06:59,460 --> 01:07:00,060app.106401:07:02,190 --> 01:07:07,290I think I think the user shouldif the app is doing crazy shit,106501:07:07,830 --> 01:07:11,520and feels it should should bemore, you know,106601:07:12,630 --> 01:07:14,310it may go back to your106701:07:16,050 --> 01:07:18,750to the subscription, you know,people who support the apps by106801:07:18,750 --> 01:07:19,770getting the premium.106901:07:23,250 --> 01:07:26,280That's an additional that doesnot come out of the Creator. And107001:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,340look, I have no problem sharingis just we have that's what I'm107101:07:29,340 --> 01:07:32,520saying it does come out of thecreators pocket every every107201:07:32,520 --> 01:07:37,320amount that has to pay to set tosomething Oh, that no, that's107301:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,500fungible? Of course not. Becausethey might eat a 10 French fries107401:07:40,500 --> 01:07:43,590less and then they can they havethe same amount. I mean, that's,107501:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,060I don't I don't think that'scool. But that's but is it is107601:07:48,060 --> 01:07:50,820directly related, though. Imean, when it comes to a podcast107701:07:50,820 --> 01:07:55,710at every every $10 subscriptionto overcast is $10 that you got107801:07:55,710 --> 01:07:59,640that you may not see. No, Idisagree. That's not true.107901:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,210That's just that's okay. I mean,the the person has a budget and108001:08:03,210 --> 01:08:06,840they and once they spend $10 andovercast, that means they spend108101:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,040$10, less on ice cream. No, Isaid May May. I mean?108201:08:12,210 --> 01:08:15,450You said every I'm like no,that's that's just not true. You108301:08:15,450 --> 01:08:19,890don't know any everybody'sbudget. All I'm saying is, I108401:08:19,890 --> 01:08:22,470feel we're going to come to apoint where there's going to be108501:08:22,470 --> 01:08:25,620an issue about the fees, and thelisteners are going to complain108601:08:25,620 --> 01:08:27,840first, and then the creators aregoing to go well, why are you108701:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,350taking this and I'm trying tocircumvent that, and figure out108801:08:31,350 --> 01:08:36,180how we can make it work. Sothat, you know, I don't care if108901:08:36,180 --> 01:08:40,500someone wants to charge 20%. Butif it's always coming out of my109001:08:40,500 --> 01:08:44,160end, I'd have my split of whatsomeone wants to send to me,109101:08:44,370 --> 01:08:45,120because it's109201:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,2806969. You know, these are thenumbers that I'm telling people109301:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,450to send. But I should really besaying since 6969, plus an extra109401:08:54,450 --> 01:08:58,74020%, because that app isexpensive to use. I just feel109501:08:58,740 --> 01:09:02,940somewhere the user, the user whohad has the Satoshis is going to109601:09:02,940 --> 01:09:07,590send them they also need to bedetermining whether that is109701:09:07,590 --> 01:09:11,400worth it to use that app andright now they don't they don't109801:09:11,400 --> 01:09:11,850know.109901:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,680To me, to me, this is OS. Thisis self correcting. Correcting110001:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,620right now this is my point. It'slike Do you want me to seriously110101:09:22,620 --> 01:09:25,530start correcting now and say Idon't want people to use this110201:09:25,530 --> 01:09:28,830app. I don't like that I don'twant I want I want every app to110301:09:28,830 --> 01:09:33,390be used. Now, let me let mefinish though what I don't mean110401:09:33,450 --> 01:09:36,420through I don't mean selfcorrecting through the process110501:09:36,420 --> 01:09:40,560of negativity on a podcast WhatI mean is the self correcting110601:09:42,060 --> 01:09:45,930through the entire ecosystem. Solook, look at where we are now.110701:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,740years down the road with withpod with the podcasting the110801:09:49,740 --> 01:09:54,570broader ecosystem. You havecompany of industry watchers,110901:09:54,570 --> 01:09:59,970like Cridland, who writearticles calling out111001:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,530huge companies like, like a castfor sending spam emails in for111101:10:05,250 --> 01:10:08,610are and it has resulted inexactly nothing, they're still111201:10:08,610 --> 01:10:11,670doing it and they're justthumbing their nose at everybody111301:10:11,670 --> 01:10:15,480because they're big enough to doit, it's an eye and honestly, I111401:10:15,480 --> 01:10:19,380find it very sad to hear that.It's fucking sad. I don't want111501:10:19,380 --> 01:10:23,730that to happen with podcasting2.0 That's a great example. When111601:10:23,730 --> 01:10:26,040I hear that, and I hearKerguelen has to bitch about111701:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,350that every single time andeveryone's pissed off about it,111801:10:28,470 --> 01:10:32,610and it seeps into the contentlike that. I find it sad.111901:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,610Okay, bad, bad example.112001:10:37,980 --> 01:10:40,740Example, because that's, that'sthe thing like arguing with my112101:10:40,740 --> 01:10:42,300work wife, this is fun.112201:10:43,350 --> 01:10:48,000That example, because that's a,that's a saying that listeners112301:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,350have zero control over.112401:10:50,400 --> 01:10:56,790A better example would be if, ifa an app started doing something112501:10:56,790 --> 01:11:01,380shady with monetization, you canbet that the industry watchers112601:11:01,380 --> 01:11:04,170would call them out. And thenpeople would absolutely make112701:11:04,170 --> 01:11:08,940decisions based on being onbeing scammed or, or the112801:11:08,940 --> 01:11:13,500perception of being scammed. Solike right now, the ecosystem112901:11:13,500 --> 01:11:17,340with lightning is very small.But if it if it if it continues113001:11:17,340 --> 01:11:25,620to grow, and apps begin to dothings that are odd, or funky,113101:11:25,620 --> 01:11:31,050or fun, a funny money typethings I can, I can guarantee113201:11:31,050 --> 01:11:34,200you that is not going to have tojust be the podcaster that calls113301:11:34,200 --> 01:11:40,230that out. If if if fountaincharges 5%. And then five years113401:11:40,230 --> 01:11:43,500from now, all of a sudden theygo up to 20. Somebody's going to113501:11:43,500 --> 01:11:46,470notice and the whole industry isgoing to talk about it. It's113601:11:46,980 --> 01:11:50,790widely known, again, a cast hasnot slowed down. So that just113701:11:50,790 --> 01:11:54,000doesn't make any difference inthe industry, because industry113801:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,970is talking about it and theydon't give a shit. People are113901:11:56,970 --> 01:12:00,180not as far as I know, they'renot necessarily leaving a cast.114001:12:00,510 --> 01:12:05,010It's a strong arm move. But youI'd like to know when you say114101:12:05,010 --> 01:12:07,830people are going if apps aregoing to scam people. So when is114201:12:07,830 --> 01:12:13,290it a scam? Is it a scam at5% 7% 15% 20%? When is it a114301:12:13,290 --> 01:12:16,620scam? I mean, that's that's thatit's it's all up to114401:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,890interpretation. It's not aboutwhether I think it's a scam.114501:12:19,890 --> 01:12:23,190It's about whether or not theysay that it's a perceived as114601:12:23,190 --> 01:12:26,880one. And I can't say when thatis because everybody has their114701:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,990own tolerance for those sorts ofthings. You know, I go I go back114801:12:30,990 --> 01:12:34,560to I just keep going back tothis this idea that you're gonna114901:12:34,560 --> 01:12:40,020have, you're gonna have poorlyrun, you're gonna have115001:12:40,020 --> 01:12:45,840businesses, app podcast atbusinesses that can't get their115101:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,190costs under control.115201:12:48,330 --> 01:12:51,180Look, was it podcast addict andnon addict? Pot?115301:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,700Pocket Casts pocket pocket? Yes,yes. So guests sold multiple115401:12:56,700 --> 01:13:00,330times, they lost all this money,like they were just losing money115501:13:00,330 --> 01:13:03,960left and right. They had really,they had a really hard time,115601:13:04,140 --> 01:13:06,840that really tough go of it,because they evidently couldn't115701:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,860keep their costs under control.And they may have needed to115801:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,350charge 20% In order to, in theireyes, cover their costs. But115901:13:16,350 --> 01:13:19,530ultimately, it's going to failbecause they can't keep that116001:13:19,530 --> 01:13:22,470going. Because everybody whenthey see, okay, I can use Pocket116101:13:22,470 --> 01:13:25,830Casts, and they're going tocharge 20%. And that's 20% Out116201:13:25,830 --> 01:13:29,820of the Creator's pocket, or Ican go over here to cast ematic116301:13:29,820 --> 01:13:33,000He's charging 3%. And they aresomehow able to make it work and116401:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,040it's just as good of an app,well, then everybody's just116501:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,900gonna bail and go to the to theapp that seems to be able to116601:13:39,900 --> 01:13:42,990keep their stuff under control.It just seemed stuff. To me, it116701:13:42,990 --> 01:13:45,600just seems like self correctingwith market forces.116801:13:48,030 --> 01:13:51,360I mean, it sucks. But I don'tknow any other way to do it in a116901:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,890way that's open and does opensource. No, the the only the117001:13:55,890 --> 01:13:58,920only difference we're talkingabout here is who feels the pain117101:13:58,950 --> 01:14:03,090when when an app fucks up andthey can't control their their117201:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,010their cost is the Creator whohas to up the ante not not the117301:14:08,010 --> 01:14:12,450listener, not the user of theapp. And the problem, and I'm117401:14:12,450 --> 01:14:14,940not doing any different. I'm notscrewing up your app, you117501:14:14,940 --> 01:14:18,960screwed up your app and peopleare using your app. But I'm I am117601:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,350going to be dinged for that.That's okay. I mean, and if117701:14:22,350 --> 01:14:24,150that's the way it is, that's theway it is.117801:14:25,530 --> 01:14:26,910It just seems to me117901:14:28,260 --> 01:14:29,010that118001:14:30,870 --> 01:14:33,960in order for people tounderstand what an app is taking118101:14:34,170 --> 01:14:38,610for a fee, for them, you forthem using it so it's from their118201:14:38,610 --> 01:14:42,330money. The only way that peoplewill really know is when it's on118301:14:42,330 --> 01:14:45,300top of the original amount theysent just like a credit card118401:14:45,300 --> 01:14:48,300that you know, you have to paythe extra, you know the courtesy118501:14:48,300 --> 01:14:51,720fee or whatever they call it.That's the way that market118601:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,750forces will really see if it'sworth it. There has to be some118701:14:54,750 --> 01:14:58,740pain for the user. The user getsno pain other than if they118801:14:58,740 --> 01:14:59,940happen to find out118901:15:02,340 --> 01:15:06,270Then they have to make all thesedecisions about the value of the119001:15:06,270 --> 01:15:10,980content that they're listeningto, versus the value of the app.119101:15:12,150 --> 01:15:16,080I think. And maybe I'm notgiving listeners and users119201:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,460enough credit. But hard hat wasan interesting example. He took119301:15:20,460 --> 01:15:23,250exception to it. And what did weget negativity?119401:15:24,510 --> 01:15:25,620Yeah, I don't know. I mean,119501:15:27,060 --> 01:15:28,530to me, it just seems like a119601:15:29,790 --> 01:15:36,930it seems like a, a balancing actbetween openness? Well, let me119701:15:36,930 --> 01:15:38,850let me give you the I'm sorry,let me just give you the119801:15:38,880 --> 01:15:39,660scenario.119901:15:41,160 --> 01:15:48,420It's no less or no more or lessopen, if the fee for the app is120001:15:48,420 --> 01:15:52,980put on, and and the index forthat matter, is put on top of120101:15:53,010 --> 01:15:56,940what the person is boosting. Andas shown that way, in the log,120201:15:56,970 --> 01:16:02,700we there's 3%, for using ourapp, I have the feeling breeze120301:16:02,700 --> 01:16:04,920does it that way, I'm not 100%.Sure.120401:16:06,150 --> 01:16:09,960Okay, that that to me, would bethe preferred way to do it.120501:16:11,340 --> 01:16:16,770Because then then the user trulycan make a decision whether they120601:16:16,770 --> 01:16:19,140want to continue using that appfor that fee.120701:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,740I don't disagree that I don'tdisagree with that, and I'm fine120801:16:25,740 --> 01:16:28,680with the index being, you know,being treated the same way, put120901:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,340it in, you know, put us on topof it 1% For the index. And that121001:16:32,370 --> 01:16:36,270and that was always kind of theoriginal idea.121101:16:37,350 --> 01:16:41,640breezes, the first one that wentto 5%. But the original idea was121201:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,9101%. For the I think we even weretalking about 1% for the index121301:16:44,910 --> 01:16:47,7602% for the app, that will bekind of equal to a credit card121401:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,660payment. And in my mind, it wasalways kind of treated that way.121501:16:51,930 --> 01:16:53,790Now, since121601:16:54,810 --> 01:16:59,280it's not that it's a falseequivalency. But when it when121701:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,950you use a card, and they say,Okay, we need to charge you a121801:17:01,950 --> 01:17:06,090convenience fee. That's whenthat's when you feel that that's121901:17:06,090 --> 01:17:09,000when you make a decision, right?Am I going to use this card,122001:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,360which is a version of an app,I'm going to use this card for122101:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,140this transaction, use this appfor this transaction, this app122201:17:16,170 --> 01:17:20,700is charging me a convenience feeof 3%. Do I want to use it? Do I122301:17:20,730 --> 01:17:21,720not want to use it?122401:17:23,550 --> 01:17:28,710That That to me feels more fair.And it's just as open unless I'm122501:17:28,710 --> 01:17:32,520mistaken. No, I don't I don'tdisagree. I don't disagree with122601:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,970that. And I'm fine. I'm reallyfine with it. Either way, I122701:17:35,970 --> 01:17:37,470think the122801:17:39,870 --> 01:17:44,760I think the fee coming. The feecoming from within the splits122901:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,380instead of being put on top.123001:17:47,850 --> 01:17:53,250At least the way I saw it wasthat it was meant as a safety123101:17:53,250 --> 01:17:58,470mechanism for the use for thelistener. Because if if an app123201:17:58,470 --> 01:18:02,910decides to charge 20%, wouldthey're charging 1% one day and123301:18:02,910 --> 01:18:05,94020% the next then the user,123401:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,210if if it always comes fromwithin the split total, then the123501:18:12,210 --> 01:18:17,250user is never paying more thanthey expect it to pay. And if123601:18:17,250 --> 01:18:20,790it's if it's added on top, thenall of a sudden they're paying123701:18:21,060 --> 01:18:24,12020% More, and they may notrealize it. And I thought that123801:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,380that was what Harv has complaintwas that he didn't did it was123901:18:28,380 --> 01:18:31,920being taken from the top and hedidn't realize it. And it was124001:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,530like, Oh, what do you what doyou mean, take over? What do you124101:18:34,530 --> 01:18:35,610mean, take it from the top?124201:18:36,690 --> 01:18:38,280I mean, add it to the top iswhat I meant.124301:18:39,480 --> 01:18:42,510That's exactly that's exactlythe way I would want it to be.124401:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,100Because and like I said, I'mfine with it. As long as we all124501:18:47,100 --> 01:18:50,910understand this, the way thatand the reason why the factor or124601:18:50,910 --> 01:18:53,550the reason why is you set itright there, you know, the124701:18:53,550 --> 01:18:57,390reason it wasn't done that waywas to protect the user. But124801:18:57,390 --> 01:18:59,940now, he has no protection forthe Creator.124901:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,170Now, lux x, I can see thatargument being there's, you125001:19:07,170 --> 01:19:07,740know, that's125101:19:09,030 --> 01:19:13,410yeah, that's that's I just likemy thing, not to belabor the125201:19:13,410 --> 01:19:17,760point. But my thing was justthat if you're talking about if125301:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,430you're talking about a listenerwho wants to give the creator125401:19:22,230 --> 01:19:26,040you have a have a listener whowants to give the Creator $10125501:19:28,380 --> 01:19:34,080If you add a $5 fee, and I'mjust using bogus numbers, if you125601:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,500add a $5 fee to it, and theyknow they're gonna have to spend125701:19:37,500 --> 01:19:42,51015 in order to pay 10 Then Idon't know that it's really125801:19:42,510 --> 01:19:46,530ultimately any different to addit to the top or to the bottom125901:19:46,530 --> 01:19:50,010because I think they're gonnaadjust what they paid down to126001:19:50,010 --> 01:19:53,460accommodate the fee, whetherit's added on or taken from126101:19:53,460 --> 01:19:54,090within.126201:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,720It's obviously a huge differenceto me.126301:19:59,520 --> 01:19:59,970And I think126401:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,310And then I think that's whereyou get your market forces,126501:20:02,310 --> 01:20:05,700someone will say, Well, this appis worth it and they charge x,126601:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,330let's just use 5%. They chargeand everyone else seems to be126701:20:09,330 --> 01:20:12,600charging 5%. So if someone'sstuck, this is market forces, if126801:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,980someone starts to charge 15%,which will be apparent because126901:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,790you're gonna see you're, you'repaying 15%, then immediately127001:20:20,790 --> 01:20:24,330people will start to makeassumptions about, okay, well,127101:20:24,330 --> 01:20:27,270maybe I should be using adifferent app, versus127201:20:28,770 --> 01:20:32,490that that may be goingundetected to the user, because127301:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,250they're not always looking attheir amounts that they, in127401:20:35,250 --> 01:20:39,180fact, when you boost someonenow, you don't necessarily see a127501:20:39,180 --> 01:20:44,130report that says you will maybesome apps too, you also spent127601:20:44,130 --> 01:20:46,080five SATs on network fees.127701:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,900That's also in addition, it's anaddition to what the podcaster127801:20:51,900 --> 01:20:52,590receives.127901:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,880So that to me feels, and maybeno one agrees with me. But that,128001:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,070that, to me feels a lot morefair.128101:21:04,530 --> 01:21:07,680Do you think that so if if Ihave,128201:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,770is if if I spend,128301:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,900if I want to give you 10 bucks,and of that 10,128401:21:16,920 --> 01:21:21,000after the fee is taken, you endup with nine128501:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,590versus the listener knows thatif they they're going to send128601:21:28,590 --> 01:21:32,130you 10 bucks, they're gonna becharged one?128701:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,110You, to me, I think that like,128801:21:38,490 --> 01:21:42,930maybe I'm an outlier. Maybe I'mmaybe I don't think like other128901:21:42,930 --> 01:21:46,050people do. And this is a blindspot for me, I'm willing to129001:21:46,050 --> 01:21:50,100accept that possibility that,that if, because what I would,129101:21:50,130 --> 01:21:52,830what I'm going to do in everyscenario is, I already know how129201:21:52,830 --> 01:21:54,540much I want the Creator to get129301:21:56,340 --> 01:21:59,760in, you can see it in the way Iboost I want, I'm going to send129401:22:00,660 --> 01:22:04,500boosts that are numericallymeaningful to me. Sure.129501:22:05,580 --> 01:22:11,160I know going into it, okay, Iwant the, I want this much to be129601:22:11,550 --> 01:22:17,640to be sent to the Creator. Nowif I know, if I knew that the129701:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,650fee was going to be taken addedto the total, I would just send129801:22:22,650 --> 01:22:25,950that amount if I knew it wasgonna be taken from the total, I129901:22:25,950 --> 01:22:29,430would jack it up to meet thatwhat I wanted to send. So I'm130001:22:29,430 --> 01:22:33,180always going to adjust to get tothe Creator what I want them to130101:22:33,180 --> 01:22:33,780have.130201:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,850So to me, so to me, either oneof those scenarios, they're both130301:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,370they're not, it's like six, onehalf dozen, the other.130401:22:42,810 --> 01:22:44,970They're irrelevant to me,because I'm always gonna get130501:22:44,970 --> 01:22:47,730through what I want to getthrough. But maybe I'm130601:22:47,730 --> 01:22:50,520different. Maybe I'm not likeeverybody else on it. Well, so130701:22:50,550 --> 01:22:53,880you know, the way it's reported,you know, regardless of where130801:22:53,880 --> 01:22:58,200everything goes, if you send6969, then that gets reported to130901:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,830me as 6969 that comes in the toV record, but doesn't actually131001:23:01,830 --> 01:23:06,090represent any actual amount thatthat might have come through, or131101:23:06,090 --> 01:23:08,490that came through as part of mysplit.131201:23:09,570 --> 01:23:09,990Right.131301:23:11,340 --> 01:23:14,340And I'm willing to accept that Iand I think this is important,131401:23:14,340 --> 01:23:18,750because I come to this as acreator, as a podcaster, who131501:23:18,750 --> 01:23:22,470actually lives and survives offof value for value, I have no131601:23:22,470 --> 01:23:25,590other job. So I'm veryparticular when it comes to131701:23:25,860 --> 01:23:30,660where the income is being split,separated, shared, etc.131801:23:32,130 --> 01:23:36,870The problem in the scenario thatwe're talking about is the131901:23:36,870 --> 01:23:38,160difference between132001:23:40,710 --> 01:23:45,000and and I'm not this way, and sobut I don't I don't look at the132101:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,170splits, I just hammer away and Ijust send it and that's it. And132201:23:49,170 --> 01:23:52,770maybe most people like thatmaybe people aren't like that. I132301:23:52,770 --> 01:23:55,650do know that the numerology isimportant. I know that the132401:23:55,650 --> 01:24:00,480numbers arrive. But I may notknow how much is being charged132501:24:00,570 --> 01:24:06,060by an app unless I look at myown wallet and see oh, okay, I132601:24:06,060 --> 01:24:08,640sent $10. And132701:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,990I, I paid an additional 30 cents132801:24:14,490 --> 01:24:16,800to use this app that I likeusing.132901:24:18,450 --> 01:24:19,560Does it my saying that right?133001:24:22,020 --> 01:24:24,060That's the 3% of $10. Yeah.133101:24:25,110 --> 01:24:25,500Okay.133201:24:26,940 --> 01:24:33,42030 cents, or 50 cents. Soactually, I sent $10 And I know133301:24:33,420 --> 01:24:37,320it gets split up. However thepodcaster wants that. And that133401:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,860cost me 50 cents to support thisapp that I'm using.133501:24:43,230 --> 01:24:49,050It doesn't and that should bethat's a market force. That's133601:24:49,050 --> 01:24:53,730something that user can decideright now. And know that that133701:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,720the podcast they liked that theygot what they want it now. If133801:24:58,830 --> 01:25:00,000if a podcast133901:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,510The app wants to somehow, Imean, we can get into all kinds134001:25:03,510 --> 01:25:06,960of intricacies. chargebacks. Imean, there's a million134101:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,830different things you can do. Butthat just seems like very simple134201:25:10,830 --> 01:25:16,440for people to understand. Andmaybe even, I think it would it134301:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,980would keep that automaticallykeeps percentages in check, and134401:25:19,980 --> 01:25:24,060also creates enormous marketforces for competition and134501:25:24,180 --> 01:25:26,580features and who has the beststuff?134601:25:28,230 --> 01:25:29,520Yeah, yeah.134701:25:31,320 --> 01:25:35,100But with but without the,without the, the, without people134801:25:35,100 --> 01:25:40,170getting pissed off of it on onany of the sides of the134901:25:40,170 --> 01:25:43,890triangle, you know, it can justbe Oh, that that seems expensive135001:25:43,890 --> 01:25:48,720to me, versus? Well, I thinkthat podcast is it's okay, you135101:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,240know, it's really valuable, or Ihave to send more.135201:25:52,290 --> 01:25:55,770I don't know, it just to me, itfeels like it shouldn't be an135301:25:55,770 --> 01:25:57,990addition to what the podcaster135401:25:59,010 --> 01:26:03,930receives? Or maybe it's 5050. Imean, that's another way to do135501:26:03,930 --> 01:26:07,740it. I'm okay with that. As longas it's in addition,135601:26:10,380 --> 01:26:12,960that made that that may besomething that may be a way to135701:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,350do it.135801:26:15,810 --> 01:26:20,970I mean, it's do you thinkpeople, so I just pulled up our135901:26:20,970 --> 01:26:22,650paper, our Pay Pal.136001:26:24,690 --> 01:26:29,190And what I see on the homepagehere, is I see a list of136101:26:29,190 --> 01:26:34,230donations, and I see paymentfrom Jordan Dunnville dances $10136201:26:34,770 --> 01:26:39,930as the payment from Christopherreamer $10, recurring payment136301:26:39,930 --> 01:26:41,850from James Sullivan $10. And onand on.136401:26:42,900 --> 01:26:47,760The will, if I click on paymentsreceived in actually drill down136501:26:47,760 --> 01:26:48,780into the ledger136601:26:49,830 --> 01:26:54,840assays something different now.I see. I see an actual ledger136701:26:54,840 --> 01:27:00,750that says Jordan Dunnville.Completed gross $10 fee. 93136801:27:00,750 --> 01:27:10,170cents net $9.07. Yes, of course.And so PayPal took from us. It136901:27:10,170 --> 01:27:13,140took from the Create. It's theexact same scenario took from137001:27:13,140 --> 01:27:16,200the Creator. 93 cents.137101:27:17,220 --> 01:27:22,770Yeah. And so Jordan, so JordanDunnville sent us 10 bucks, but137201:27:22,770 --> 01:27:28,200we only get $9.07 of that.Right. So you're so I allerease.137301:27:28,230 --> 01:27:30,300I bring that up as an example tosay, I think that's what137401:27:30,300 --> 01:27:34,560everyone is used to. And whatyou're saying is that as part of137501:27:34,560 --> 01:27:35,940value for value,137601:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,160that you think that as thephilosophy of value for value137701:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,870goes that we need to change thatmodel. I think we need to137801:27:45,870 --> 01:27:47,370consider it because it137901:27:48,480 --> 01:27:53,100you are talking about value forvalue versus a processing fee.138001:27:54,840 --> 01:27:59,400And, you know, Pay Pal iscurrently I think at four or 5%.138101:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,300And believe me, that works. Ittotally works. But then it's138201:28:03,300 --> 01:28:07,620exactly what you see everywhere.Merchants have to post. Please138301:28:07,620 --> 01:28:11,610don't use Pay Pal use this.Please don't I don't want to do138401:28:11,610 --> 01:28:15,180that. For apps, please don't usethat app, because they charge138501:28:15,180 --> 01:28:19,260too much. And you know, we don'twe don't make enough for or, you138601:28:19,260 --> 01:28:25,440know, send send extra. Ah, now Iget it. Yeah, I understand that138701:28:25,470 --> 01:28:30,060the Peter Peters in this appchat. Maybe the best way to pay138801:28:30,060 --> 01:28:33,750the app makers to take a cutfrom the refill wallet function138901:28:33,750 --> 01:28:36,240instead of only instead andleave the boost dream amounts139001:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,940alone. That's that's also apossibility. I think some I139101:28:38,940 --> 01:28:41,880think some are already doingthat. Yeah, things breezes139201:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,610certainly doing that. And Ithink fountains doing it if you139301:28:44,610 --> 01:28:47,790take money out. I mean, so Yeah,the thing is,139401:28:49,410 --> 01:28:52,260and I'm not too worried aboutpeople jacking up their fees,139501:28:52,290 --> 01:28:57,390but even 5% is high. That'shigh. It's a high percentage.139601:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,820Now, do I think that it's notworth it not? But if you're139701:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,730looking at absolute numbers,what does that equal in dollars139801:29:02,730 --> 01:29:06,120at the end of the month? Youknow, if bitcoin is 100,000,139901:29:06,300 --> 01:29:09,210because, you know, this isanother thing a podcasters have140001:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,310to continuously adjust140101:29:13,980 --> 01:29:15,150to the boost amounts.140201:29:17,370 --> 01:29:21,210Here's, here's my, here's thething, where my part of where my140301:29:21,210 --> 01:29:25,950pushback had come from, was, Idon't ever want to tell look140401:29:25,950 --> 01:29:29,730upon the podcast, app developerin the eye and say, and I don't140501:29:29,730 --> 01:29:32,490I'm not saying that you'resaying this, but I would not140601:29:32,490 --> 01:29:35,760want to ever say that. It lookedhim in the eye and say you're140701:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,080charging too much.140801:29:38,100 --> 01:29:42,570Because what what they charge iswhat? I'm going to trust that140901:29:42,570 --> 01:29:45,870that's what they have decidedthey have to charge. And that's141001:29:45,870 --> 01:29:49,800where that's where it getsuncomfortable for me is is141101:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,380saying, Oh, that's too much.Because like, they just may not141201:29:55,380 --> 01:29:58,560be very good at running andrunning a business. Right and141301:29:58,590 --> 01:29:59,970I'd rather than just go141401:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,260I honestly reduce them. If theycan't compete with market with141501:30:04,260 --> 01:30:07,200market rates, I'd rather than,you know, whatever that happens141601:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,500to be, rather than just go dosomething, something else,141701:30:10,860 --> 01:30:13,620honestly, I mean, it sounds thatmay sound bad, but I mean, like141801:30:13,650 --> 01:30:16,590that that applies with App Storefees, too. I mean, like, if141901:30:16,590 --> 01:30:20,370they're gonna have to charge $50a month for an app for an app142001:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,220for a podcast app on thesubscription model in the App142101:30:23,220 --> 01:30:25,260Store, they're probably notgoing to be around very long,142201:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,530either. Now, there's yourperfect thing. There's your142301:30:28,530 --> 01:30:29,520perfect example.142401:30:30,870 --> 01:30:35,640Hundreds of millions of dollarsin legal fees later, finally, we142501:30:35,640 --> 01:30:42,450realized that is not a good ideato charge 30%. Yeah. So if it142601:30:42,450 --> 01:30:48,210was 20%, it would have been thesame lawsuits. If it was 15%, it142701:30:48,210 --> 01:30:50,070would have been the samelawsuits.142801:30:51,330 --> 01:30:54,900It's always going to beperceived as too much for142901:30:54,900 --> 01:30:55,770creators.143001:30:57,420 --> 01:30:58,680I personally,143101:31:00,660 --> 01:31:04,560you know, I put curio caster andsovereign feeds, I put them in143201:31:04,560 --> 01:31:05,370my block.143301:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,700You know? And, well, there's no,there's an idea. Okay, hold on a143401:31:11,700 --> 01:31:13,620second. Let me think about this.143501:31:14,790 --> 01:31:16,110That is a way that143601:31:19,830 --> 01:31:24,210maybe a creator can signal andsay, Hey, I'm okay with a 5%143701:31:24,210 --> 01:31:24,630fee.143801:31:25,650 --> 01:31:30,060And I'm going to put you ormaybe there's a dynamic block, I143901:31:30,060 --> 01:31:32,220open up and put that right inthere for you.144001:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,840And maybe there's a default thatwe that we kind of agree upon.144101:31:37,500 --> 01:31:40,380But then anything above andbeyond I mean, it just gets144201:31:40,380 --> 01:31:47,010weird. If PayPal all of a suddencharge 10% to 15%. First, we144301:31:47,010 --> 01:31:48,090wouldn't know about it,144401:31:49,230 --> 01:31:52,260then we'd figure it out. Andthen we'd be very, very angry.144501:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,340Right? So but if144601:31:57,360 --> 01:31:58,470when you send144701:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,110person to person, PayPal says,Okay, you can send this, you're144801:32:04,110 --> 01:32:05,790going to be charged 30 cents.144901:32:08,670 --> 01:32:12,150That's where the sender pays forit, versus a business paying for145001:32:12,150 --> 01:32:15,570it. So there's all there's alldifferent aspects to this, and145101:32:15,570 --> 01:32:18,540that is truly market forces. Idon't have the answer.145201:32:20,280 --> 01:32:23,160Maybe just this conversation isgood enough that everybody kind145301:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,480of thinks about what they'redoing.145401:32:27,060 --> 01:32:30,870And this is worth having. Yeah,no, and no one is really hard of145501:32:30,870 --> 01:32:34,260how to think is the first realcomplaint that I've seen it. And145601:32:34,260 --> 01:32:36,360that may have also stemmed from,you know,145701:32:37,440 --> 01:32:41,700a lot of people went, Oh, Oscaris doing ads a day shift. And145801:32:41,970 --> 01:32:44,610there's a lot of differentthings, weaving in and out.145901:32:46,410 --> 01:32:50,160Yeah. And to Peter's point inhis in his donation node,146001:32:50,190 --> 01:32:50,790that's,146101:32:51,810 --> 01:32:54,900you know, I mean, I agreethere's going to be, yeah,146201:32:54,900 --> 01:32:57,300there's there's going to bescammy ads, I mean, the crypto146301:32:57,300 --> 01:33:03,870space, it's up to us to policethat to, like, you know, because146401:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,320the nature of ads is that ifthey get no response, you stop146501:33:07,320 --> 01:33:14,700hearing them. And so like that'sup to us to educate people about146601:33:14,850 --> 01:33:16,770quote unquote, crypto and146701:33:18,660 --> 01:33:24,300crypto crypto to call and callout the scam. scammers out there146801:33:24,300 --> 01:33:26,880who are trying to you know whoare trying who were in this for146901:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,000a Ponzi scheme or whatever andcall and call that shit out. By147001:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,310the way. I haven't heard ofanything what's going on? What147101:33:32,310 --> 01:33:36,600scammers are out there. What didI miss? I don't I mean, it's147201:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,290evidently some ads running onfountain. I'm guessing I'm147301:33:40,290 --> 01:33:45,870guessing or within Oh, I know.Okay. Some of the ads were were147401:33:45,870 --> 01:33:49,140Crypto Ads. Okay. Yeah, Iunderstand. Well, that's yeah.147501:33:49,170 --> 01:33:52,590Hey, you jump into theadvertising business. That's147601:33:52,620 --> 01:33:55,590that's part of what you get, youknow, you can't get out because147701:33:55,590 --> 01:33:58,710of the content and the ads youcan get sometimes the people147801:33:58,710 --> 01:34:01,320like the content. I hate thoseads. I mean, that's that's just147901:34:01,320 --> 01:34:05,760hard. As a blog fi and hodlhodl. Not I'm not familiar with148001:34:05,760 --> 01:34:05,850it.148101:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,650Who knows? Is that the D that'sD flat D. D? Yeah.148201:34:11,700 --> 01:34:15,450We'll see. That's it's up to usto call it out. You know, and148301:34:15,450 --> 01:34:18,600like that may not mean you but Imean, like everybody in the148401:34:18,630 --> 01:34:21,630know. I think you're right, afather in the pod sage. We have148501:34:21,630 --> 01:34:24,420to waive the scepter and call itout. Dammit. Yeah.148601:34:27,420 --> 01:34:31,080It's absolute pants. I do I do.You want to make it really,148701:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,280really clear that I want appdevelopers to be rich. I want148801:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,160you to be successful. You hateapp development. I want you to148901:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,460be successful. I want you to behappy. I want everything to be149001:34:41,460 --> 01:34:45,600super. The part of the wholeidea was to have everybody in149101:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,990the ecosystem and the next notfor this episode. We're also149201:34:48,990 --> 01:34:51,840going to have to figure out howthat works with with hosting and149301:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,550storage such as no agenda tube,and I'm so proud that we are149401:34:56,550 --> 01:34:57,570working through this149501:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,000because these are things149601:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,190that has to be talked abouteventually. I mean, it's just149701:35:02,190 --> 01:35:05,550the maturity of the ecosystemit's getting. To me this is a149801:35:05,550 --> 01:35:08,850sign that they that the systemis beginning to mature to the149901:35:08,850 --> 01:35:11,730point where you have thesediscussions. It's no longer it's150001:35:11,730 --> 01:35:14,910not just scissors anymore. Imean, like, it's rock scissor150101:35:14,910 --> 01:35:17,070papers, is hedge clippers.150201:35:18,090 --> 01:35:21,360If somebody can get hurt, youlose a hand that we're telling150301:35:21,360 --> 01:35:21,480you.150401:35:23,040 --> 01:35:27,810Can we thank people? Well, Iwant to take a detour real150501:35:27,810 --> 01:35:32,130quick, though. Okay, sure. I Ican't it's not the right show150601:35:32,130 --> 01:35:33,360for this because I can't I mean,150701:35:34,530 --> 01:35:39,420I can't do an ask Adam. So I canask, but I could ask the pod. I150801:35:39,420 --> 01:35:42,090can ask the pod. I don't have ajingle for Ask the pod father150901:35:42,090 --> 01:35:43,980but yeah, okay, but that's good.151001:35:45,030 --> 01:35:47,190So I'm listening to pod landyesterday and,151101:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,170and Sam said he, he saidsomething that I did not151201:35:52,170 --> 01:35:56,640understand if you would indulgeus. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's the151301:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,420pod father. All right. Here wego. Totally rubbish. That. I151401:36:00,420 --> 01:36:00,750mean.151501:36:03,570 --> 01:36:06,960Yeah, no, absolutely. Pants. Imean,151601:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,160okay, what is absolute pants?151701:36:12,690 --> 01:36:16,380Okay, and I consider myself atleast mildly fluent.151801:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,010In, in what you might call151901:36:21,330 --> 01:36:25,260lingua lingua Britannia for theBritish, the British and British152001:36:25,260 --> 01:36:28,650isms. But I've never heard thephrase absolute pants before.152101:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,080Yeah. And I would like to itmeans152201:36:32,250 --> 01:36:34,200rubbish. bullcrap.152301:36:36,180 --> 01:36:41,670Well as it pans, you know, letme take a look and see if I, I152401:36:41,670 --> 01:36:45,390mean, I lived in the UK for fiveyears. So until I've heard this,152501:36:45,390 --> 01:36:48,780of course, it's kind of a nicerway of saying the Brits are152601:36:48,780 --> 01:36:52,500weird. You know, they use the Cword all the time. The C word is152701:36:52,500 --> 01:36:56,250okay in the UK. You know, theSee you next year, next Tuesday.152801:36:56,460 --> 01:37:00,810But you can't say Fannie, FannieOh, that's Fannie as Nast that152901:37:00,810 --> 01:37:03,120you can't say that. But youknow, so it's153001:37:05,340 --> 01:37:08,640I wonder what that homology ofthat is. But it means bullcrap.153101:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,850It's just a nicer wave. It's afunny way. I think it's when153201:37:11,850 --> 01:37:14,550kids grow up with oh, that'spants mother.153301:37:16,410 --> 01:37:19,740I've never heard that wheneverthat was that was a new one. Oh153401:37:19,740 --> 01:37:21,870my I just said I've listened toit two or three times. Like you153501:37:21,870 --> 01:37:23,310said, Did I hear you say pants?153601:37:24,390 --> 01:37:24,750Okay.153701:37:26,070 --> 01:37:28,710All right. Yeah, we can. Thanksfor people. Yeah, Should I do153801:37:28,710 --> 01:37:32,040the we got a couple let me seenow let me make sure I got this153901:37:32,040 --> 01:37:32,490right.154001:37:34,410 --> 01:37:37,170Now hopefully I got this right.I got a couple of these things154101:37:37,170 --> 01:37:41,430set up. I don't know did I getthe road ducks? I'm really I154201:37:41,430 --> 01:37:43,380still have to work on this.Okay, let me do some of these154301:37:43,380 --> 01:37:46,980live boosting your rig. Your rigis the training era.154401:37:48,210 --> 01:37:50,640This is now all the musclememory you know, I got to learn154501:37:50,640 --> 01:37:51,090which154601:37:52,230 --> 01:37:53,550which button is which154701:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,020live boosts coming in duringthis lit episode 91 This has154801:37:58,020 --> 01:38:02,370value for value. And the way itworks is if you like hearing two154901:38:02,370 --> 01:38:05,520middle aged guys argue with eachother over who pays for the155001:38:05,520 --> 01:38:10,050bill. And you find that avaluable conversation, please,155101:38:10,680 --> 01:38:11,760because that was the whole show.155201:38:13,500 --> 01:38:15,000I guess it was important to us.155301:38:16,260 --> 01:38:19,290Then please support us yousupport a lot more than this155401:38:19,290 --> 01:38:22,740show. Of course you support theentire infrastructure of155501:38:22,740 --> 01:38:26,010podcasts index.org andeverything that we're doing and155601:38:26,010 --> 01:38:28,500liquidity on the node as wellwhich we really appreciate and155701:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,970we're glad we had some today.And Steven B drains the channel155801:38:32,970 --> 01:38:39,480as well with 100,000 sat boostno Stephen B. And and this is155901:38:39,480 --> 01:38:43,560interesting because I guess thisis a boost gone viral because he156001:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,740repeats the same thing as paytar and I will repeat it for156101:38:46,740 --> 01:38:50,640100,000 SATs I'll do a lot. Thisis a Bitcoin Public Service156201:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,100Announcement defending freedommoney requires eternal156301:38:53,100 --> 01:38:55,710vigilance. There will always bescammy companies out there156401:38:55,710 --> 01:38:59,130trying to steal your Bitcoin.These charlatans are starting to156501:38:59,130 --> 01:39:01,890make their way into thepodcasting 2.0 ecosystem. Listen156601:39:01,890 --> 01:39:04,740to the advice from Uncle Martyand Uncle Matt. Stay humble156701:39:04,740 --> 01:39:07,920stack SATs hold your own keysdon't use leverage don't yield156801:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,720farm. I love you all a gopodcasting booze.156901:39:15,960 --> 01:39:16,920Was that on the board?157001:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,010My muscle memory is blue buttonand that was not the right one.157101:39:24,150 --> 01:39:28,560We got another booster gram fromSteven B 1000 SATs I don't want157201:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,170PE tars message lost in theexcitement of the size of his157301:39:31,170 --> 01:39:33,600boosts. Oh, here it is again.Yes. Thank you. We got that from157401:39:33,600 --> 01:39:33,780you.157501:39:35,550 --> 01:39:42,480We got see. See Brooklyn112 5000 SATs not five mil but157601:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,970it's what I got. Thank you foryour courage go podcast,157701:39:45,180 --> 01:39:45,840podcast.157801:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,580Thank you very much, sir.Absolutely. And that's how value157901:39:50,580 --> 01:39:53,520for value works. It's not abouthow much it's what's valuable to158001:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,210you. That's what it always comesdown to. Then we have sir158101:39:57,210 --> 01:40:00,000Spencer 22,220158201:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,240To my boost is not worthy Thankyou pay Tara you are a legend I158301:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,750completely disagree your boostis justified is anybody else's158401:40:06,930 --> 01:40:07,590and it's158501:40:08,880 --> 01:40:09,750roadex158601:40:11,490 --> 01:40:14,970Then we have the 5 million SATsfrom pay Tara and of course we158701:40:14,970 --> 01:40:20,400just read that note 1000 Or thatwas a anonymous Taurus Elon Musk158801:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,830Yes, this is the mark pug isThis is Mark Wagner Park Bogner158901:40:25,830 --> 01:40:30,600road 1800 from ambitious you canlook but you can't touch unless159001:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,390it's over 18 I missed thecontext of that one.159101:40:36,420 --> 01:40:39,660Blueberry boosting I'm onlygoing to read the ones that are159201:40:39,690 --> 01:40:46,170actually boosted on the for thefor the lit send us 488888159301:40:46,170 --> 01:40:50,160Blueberry sweet live item tagbro. also worked at Tesla159401:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,280concert last night those guysnot a rocket out hard really?159501:40:54,030 --> 01:40:59,220Oh, that's interesting. And thenI have Yeah, I can no they don't159601:40:59,250 --> 01:41:02,700in Texas. I'm sure they can.They can rock out pretty hard. I159701:41:03,030 --> 01:41:07,470believe that. Hey, man, what agreat bunch of booster grams.159801:41:07,470 --> 01:41:10,260Thank you all very much. This isgreat. Let's go to our pay pals.159901:41:10,260 --> 01:41:14,070Do we get anything from the Fiatfun coupons which by the way, we160001:41:14,070 --> 01:41:16,740don't need anything this week.Thanks to the magic of the160101:41:16,740 --> 01:41:19,380Lightning Network podcasting 2.0and160201:41:20,490 --> 01:41:21,090pay turn.160301:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,680We get we did get something neweven though even though we're160401:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,920fully covered by HR. We did geta couple of papers.160501:41:30,120 --> 01:41:35,490Marco Arment $500 every singlemonth. Thank you Marco.160601:41:37,530 --> 01:41:40,770Yep, beautiful. Yes, thank youMarco.160701:41:41,910 --> 01:41:46,980We also got Buzzsprout $500.Loose Bucha160801:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,620This is buddy. This is the deBucha160901:41:56,190 --> 01:42:03,480the we also got another this isa first time donor. Longtime161001:42:03,480 --> 01:42:06,150Boehner Oh, hold on a second. Ifit's a first timer.161101:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,840We need to defragment Okay.161201:42:13,200 --> 01:42:14,730Who do we defragment today161301:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,880the legend Dave Jackson to Yes,he says now161401:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,960I thought he booted he hasn't heboosted before. He's boosted but161501:42:24,960 --> 01:42:30,450this one a boost. This was a PayPal. Oh, okay. $100 is what he161601:42:30,450 --> 01:42:34,950said. Oh man, he says he sayscontributed by the School of161701:42:34,950 --> 01:42:38,340podcasting. He says I played aclip of your show and a segment161801:42:38,340 --> 01:42:42,450on the school of podcastingabout Spotify. Consider this my161901:42:42,450 --> 01:42:46,260licensing fee. See you in Dallasgo podcast podcast.162001:42:48,150 --> 01:42:52,860Thanks, Dave. Yeah, he also heboosted Korean the keeper with a162101:42:52,860 --> 01:42:56,220really nice note. Yeah, and Iwas like, this is Dave Jett and162201:42:56,220 --> 01:43:00,480teams Dave Jackson. Really?Yeah. The man been around as162301:43:00,480 --> 01:43:04,380long as all podcasting prettymuch Dave bring your bring your162401:43:04,380 --> 01:43:07,260x will jam a little bit ofpodcast. Yeah, I'll bring my162501:43:07,260 --> 01:43:08,670road caster I'll mix it162601:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,260I haven't hooked up the Theraminto it yet, but it's coming.162701:43:14,610 --> 01:43:17,400We've got a seat that was Thatwas all for pay pals. We got a162801:43:17,400 --> 01:43:18,270lot of booths though.162901:43:19,680 --> 01:43:25,500A lot of histograms get read outof the gate. I gotta make good163001:43:26,670 --> 01:43:35,310cuz I missed ROI. Last week.54,321 SATs no note. No, sorry.163101:43:35,460 --> 01:43:38,880That ROI. Well, let me give hima big baller. Then why not? Wow.163201:43:39,600 --> 01:43:44,460Shot Caller 20 his blades onhim. Paula. He's a big baller.163301:43:45,270 --> 01:43:50,820But he boosted again with 54,321says and he says some emojis for163401:43:50,820 --> 01:43:52,470Dave. And did they come through?163501:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,030I think he was trolling mebecause he knows that it doesn't163601:43:57,030 --> 01:43:57,870get read man.163701:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,700Are you using mutt now? Is thatare you finally on the train?163801:44:03,660 --> 01:44:09,000I've not installed my dot muttrc file. No ma'am you yet but163901:44:09,060 --> 01:44:13,500but I am navigating fast mailwith the H J K and L keys. How164001:44:13,500 --> 01:44:16,830much do you love that I eat nowyou're grown up? You're finally164101:44:16,830 --> 01:44:20,940using it the way it should beused. I'm such a big boy. It's164201:44:20,940 --> 01:44:24,480great. Yeah, how you doing?Better than the arrow keys?164301:44:25,500 --> 01:44:28,680Oh yeah, actually, it's exactlythe same as the air casement a164401:44:28,680 --> 01:44:29,490different spot164501:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,710Well, let's see. Let me go aheadand dare no164601:44:35,790 --> 01:44:44,220dare no sin us 100,033 says boloshot kala 20 his blades only him164701:44:44,220 --> 01:44:48,900Paula anything over 100 It's gotto be a big baller through pod164801:44:48,900 --> 01:44:52,890verse, which is great. That'scool. So this is our record for164901:44:52,890 --> 01:44:56,370pod versus this and I think it'san lb integration nice.165001:44:57,780 --> 01:44:59,970This is the work you're doing isessential. You165101:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,510Here's my vague you crazyvisionary mad scientist's listen165201:45:03,510 --> 01:45:06,330to random thoughts it's betterthan AI dot cooking165301:45:07,529 --> 01:45:14,219Okay, random that's our end youMB That's right. Yes. And I will165401:45:14,219 --> 01:45:18,449let comic strip blogger debatewhether or not it's better than165501:45:18,449 --> 01:45:20,129a duck cooking thank you Darrennow165601:45:22,290 --> 01:45:24,510the Bruce Wayne of podcastinggrips got165701:45:26,160 --> 01:45:30,780he grabs Scott was more I wasgonna didn't work dammit sorry165801:45:31,050 --> 01:45:35,460okay yes what not I was justmessing around one to try to165901:45:35,460 --> 01:45:40,920count the did the numbers inthis boost 12345677 digits in166001:45:40,920 --> 01:45:45,570this boost. Oh my god. 1 millionin one set. What166101:45:47,250 --> 01:45:50,340it is, is messages gopodcasting.166201:45:51,540 --> 01:46:00,780Go podcast. Follow Sakala playon the Impala man. Extra Stanley166301:46:00,780 --> 01:46:01,560boost for that166401:46:03,180 --> 01:46:08,100the okay I take back everythingI said about people not166501:46:08,100 --> 01:46:12,360adjusting their boost amounts tothe current value I take it all166601:46:12,360 --> 01:46:19,470back. I take that as a as whatit is a implicit166701:46:20,760 --> 01:46:22,800admission that I'm right andyou're wrong.166801:46:25,050 --> 01:46:29,010If that will make you happy,darling. Yes, you're right. I am166901:46:29,010 --> 01:46:35,370wrong. I'm a bad man. Yeah, no.I'm not a good person. A bad167001:46:35,370 --> 01:46:39,780podcast. I love you Dave Joneslet it be known. Yeah, I love167101:46:39,780 --> 01:46:40,230you too. Bro.167201:46:41,610 --> 01:46:48,300We got more boost even moreboost even more. I think I don't167301:46:48,300 --> 01:46:49,530think we read this in the show.167401:46:50,610 --> 01:46:54,480But it gets a little diceytowards the end. So I'm gonna go167501:46:54,510 --> 01:46:58,380do we did we read a big row ofducks Mitch 22 to 22 and he says167601:46:58,380 --> 01:47:01,680hey guys, enjoying the live itemdiscussion while listening live167701:47:01,680 --> 01:47:03,660Hi, I have rode ducks on podverse167801:47:04,860 --> 01:47:07,680Don't sorry written no I didn'tthink I'm gonna go167901:47:11,130 --> 01:47:15,390lavish send us a row ducks 2222Nice through fountain nice rock168001:47:15,390 --> 01:47:16,080and roll168101:47:22,650 --> 01:47:28,500meet us send us 6969 is a pewpew pew wait I have I have that168201:47:28,500 --> 01:47:29,490one. There we go.168301:47:30,540 --> 01:47:33,540I'm learning loaded on the boardhere the muscle memory starting168401:47:33,540 --> 01:47:35,610to kick in. Okay, slow.168501:47:36,660 --> 01:47:41,070Eric peepee since 1980 I wonderif that's numerology it's gotta168601:47:41,070 --> 01:47:44,670be gotta be ages Yeah, he justsays boosts168701:47:48,390 --> 01:47:53,130There we go. Oh, I've got a I'vegot an ISO by the way. See what168801:47:53,130 --> 01:47:56,130you got over here. Wait, is it anice did I label it as a nice168901:47:56,940 --> 01:47:58,080well if this is it169001:48:05,790 --> 01:48:09,420Oh, all right. I'm loading thisinto my smart pads later.169101:48:13,380 --> 01:48:16,500Callay bear. Oh, that's great.We'll be here one more time.169201:48:22,500 --> 01:48:23,790Perfect, Kyle. Thank you.169301:48:25,260 --> 01:48:26,550That's I mean,169401:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,540of course it hasn't written allover it. See, Mike sent us 5678169501:48:33,540 --> 01:48:36,420sets through curio caster and hesays Dave didn't know j&k Were169601:48:36,420 --> 01:48:40,020up and down in might those twokeys oh wait, we already read169701:48:40,020 --> 01:48:43,620that with that same thing andfast mail yet people kept I mean169801:48:43,650 --> 01:48:47,220people just piled on me thiswhole week on podcast index dot169901:48:47,220 --> 01:48:51,780social about not knowing about hk now. I mean, yeah, I can see170001:48:51,780 --> 01:48:55,320why it was surprised. I knowyou're not a loser. I mean, you170101:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,960can't keep a Linux box fromfreezing out but otherwise170201:49:00,570 --> 01:49:02,010nobody can do that. That's170301:49:03,120 --> 01:49:04,500not made of magic.170401:49:06,510 --> 01:49:11,730Mitch sinister 2222. Through podversion he says Looking forward170501:49:11,730 --> 01:49:14,040to seeing y'all Podcast MovementDallas I might need170601:49:17,910 --> 01:49:21,090I might need a new podcasting2.0 t shirt because I don't fit170701:49:21,090 --> 01:49:22,260in the small anymore.170801:49:23,370 --> 01:49:26,250That's what that's what that'swhat 2.0 development will do to170901:49:26,250 --> 01:49:30,060you. That's right. I will getyou take care of their Mitch171001:49:31,980 --> 01:49:32,670see we got171101:49:34,620 --> 01:49:41,3109191 SAS from chyron at meremortals podcast nice to curio171201:49:41,310 --> 01:49:44,550caster and he says I'm moreinclined towards Adam on the V171301:49:44,550 --> 01:49:48,330for the outside of the feedissue. I'd love to vie for I'd171401:49:48,330 --> 01:49:51,360love to vie for V the stupidmemes that create but please171501:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,050don't spend any time catering tomy weird whims. It sounds like a171601:49:55,050 --> 01:49:59,220real particular particular usecase to capture people download171701:49:59,220 --> 01:50:00,000the mp4 is out171801:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,610outside of streaming on thewebsite or app, does this171901:50:02,610 --> 01:50:07,470actually happen very much? Idon't know. No. But what does172001:50:07,470 --> 01:50:12,270happen is, as we know, a lot offemale podcast listeners will172101:50:12,270 --> 01:50:16,740listen to an mp3 on our websitein a web player or god knows172201:50:16,740 --> 01:50:20,040maybe just clicking on adownload this mp3 link that does172301:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,070I'm sure there's a reasonableamount of people that do that.172401:50:24,060 --> 01:50:24,480Yeah.172501:50:25,590 --> 01:50:29,220Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Butagain, you know, just so we put172601:50:29,220 --> 01:50:30,300it all into perspective,172701:50:31,560 --> 01:50:36,540value for value that I've beendoing for a decade and a half it172801:50:36,570 --> 01:50:40,350and we're good, we're reallygood at it for maybe sometimes172901:50:40,380 --> 01:50:45,540not, I'd say 4% of the entireaudience donates. That's it. The173001:50:45,540 --> 01:50:49,800rest just need to be shamed andcalled douchebags. Yeah, we can173101:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,910do that too. And what happens?Now what happens is, over time,173201:50:54,930 --> 01:50:57,780people will say, you know, I'vebeen listening for five years, I173301:50:57,780 --> 01:51:00,240haven't given anything and theycome in with a whopper amount173401:51:00,270 --> 01:51:03,330eventually it all kind of worksout some somehow.173501:51:04,440 --> 01:51:05,910Well, that should be in thespec.173601:51:06,960 --> 01:51:10,140If nobody if somebody'slistening, never donates, it173701:51:10,140 --> 01:51:13,260just pops up and says you're adouche. Well, this is this is173801:51:13,260 --> 01:51:16,890what with no agenda that's whatthe producers the listeners173901:51:16,890 --> 01:51:19,230slash producers they developthat themselves. They start174001:51:19,230 --> 01:51:21,360calling people out Hey, that guyyou know, he hit me in the174101:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,850mouth. He told me about theshow, but he hasn't donated he's174201:51:23,850 --> 01:51:27,510a douchebag and then peoplestarted donating saying I was a174301:51:27,510 --> 01:51:31,200douchebag that's no good. And tothis terminology didn't come174401:51:31,200 --> 01:51:34,020from us. I don't call peopledouchebags all I do now. It's174501:51:34,020 --> 01:51:37,770now it's embedded in my brain.That's where the deducing came174601:51:37,770 --> 01:51:39,780from like D fragmenting. It'sthe same thing.174701:51:41,910 --> 01:51:46,170Silver owl gave us 120 SATs hesays now it's five sets five174801:51:46,170 --> 01:51:50,190equal 120 factorial boost oneone exclamation point. Oops174901:51:52,950 --> 01:51:54,420I don't know what any of thatmeans.175001:51:57,030 --> 01:52:00,030Chris are give us 5000 SATsthrough curio Castro. Thank you.175101:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,900Thank you. Great work pod fatherand sages. Is it possible to175201:52:03,900 --> 01:52:07,110still claim a podcasting 2.0 tshirt? I'd love to rock a little175301:52:07,110 --> 01:52:11,160piece of history. Of course itis. Yeah. Yep. Your accounting.175401:52:11,430 --> 01:52:14,760Yeah. Got your accounting that'sgoing well right with the with175501:52:14,760 --> 01:52:18,870no agenda shop. Of course wehave podcasts index dot shop.175601:52:19,260 --> 01:52:21,360Let me see if they have theupdated anything recently. I175701:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,690haven't looked at it and why weshould promote that. Yeah, it's175801:52:24,690 --> 01:52:26,520a lot easier than it was beforebecause I just shoot him an175901:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,880email with the name and addressthe chair size and he just takes176001:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,480care of it. Yeah. Done. Let mesee the no agenda show the pod176101:52:33,510 --> 01:52:36,720podcast index dot shop. Now it'sstill we need some more some176201:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,900more products in there. Somecool designs, some running with176301:52:39,900 --> 01:52:42,540scissors T shirts. That will becool.176401:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,110That would be cool. We get tofigure out something to take to176501:52:46,110 --> 01:52:47,640Podcast Movement.176601:52:48,990 --> 01:52:52,680Let's talk to those guys. Yeah.Oh, by the way, are we now176701:52:52,710 --> 01:52:58,230officially late for our call atthree? Now? Yes, we are. Does176801:52:58,230 --> 01:53:00,780anyone know that? We're late forour call at three maybe you176901:53:00,780 --> 01:53:02,370should ping someone about thatjust177001:53:04,170 --> 01:53:10,920Yeah, I should. I should textsee show running long.177101:53:13,500 --> 01:53:15,990Before we were I can just see ifI could bring them right in.177201:53:17,460 --> 01:53:20,100If I had if I had the board setup we could just do our next177301:53:20,100 --> 01:53:24,120meeting or next week during theshow. Right just go right into177401:53:25,260 --> 01:53:29,250Cass peatland. 963 SATs throughfountain he says I'm so proud177501:53:29,250 --> 01:53:33,240with with my pennies to what177601:53:34,320 --> 01:53:40,440I'm so proud with my opinionthese two so SOP RTE177701:53:41,580 --> 01:53:47,550SRP SOP. What are SOP Rte?177801:53:48,630 --> 01:53:50,160So, I don't know a cat177901:53:53,070 --> 01:53:56,130ducks thing that even I don'tget, but we appreciate it. We'll178001:53:56,130 --> 01:53:57,810take anything thank you so much.178101:54:00,030 --> 01:54:04,050When Wade Dutch on us, okay.floydian slips 2000 SATs he178201:54:04,050 --> 01:54:07,290says. Who's drumming? Stop thatdrumming. We'll do it live.178301:54:07,500 --> 01:54:09,570Okay. That was your kid. Yourkid.178401:54:11,460 --> 01:54:16,680Forget about the Macintosh says1234 says he says Happy Friday178501:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,800thoughts on fountains new updatethat pays users to listen to178601:54:19,800 --> 01:54:24,540podcasts. I think we've gonethrough. No Yeah, we beat them178701:54:24,540 --> 01:54:29,430to death. Yeah. Caspi Lind againhe says 2460 SATs he says178801:54:30,930 --> 01:54:35,490either fountain 0.4. Release. Ineed to listen back to Oscar178901:54:35,490 --> 01:54:38,580thanks for the work. It would becool if na could give total179001:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,430received SATs boost number.179101:54:44,220 --> 01:54:47,130Maybe he just wants to know likea leaderboard. I got to talk to179201:54:47,130 --> 01:54:50,520the Vortech about that because Islowly want to kind of bring him179301:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,110in. And179401:54:54,240 --> 01:54:59,130what I'd like is I'd like forartists to get a split who do179501:54:59,130 --> 01:54:59,940album art179601:55:00,570 --> 01:55:05,070And you know, because we foughtwe have a veto in our179701:55:05,070 --> 01:55:07,410partnership so he doesn't wantany bitcoin touching the179801:55:07,410 --> 01:55:08,850corporation so that's okay.179901:55:10,530 --> 01:55:14,580I keep working on that angle butI think it'd be okay if it went180001:55:14,580 --> 01:55:17,700to other people. And then wecould do leaderboards and all180101:55:17,700 --> 01:55:22,530that stuff. But you know, slowprocess people slow process.180201:55:22,770 --> 01:55:26,490Boost boost boost. I already gothim saying that. I also think180301:55:26,490 --> 01:55:27,960Cass is a little drunk. So that180401:55:31,050 --> 01:55:36,600was me 2383 and a 7777 SATs andhe says Tim ah, I do believe in180501:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,190your vision. Well, thanks, Tim.Oh, nice. To me that just180601:55:43,140 --> 01:55:44,190caught me off guard.180701:55:45,450 --> 01:55:49,260Let's see. Oh, that's That'syou. That's you know, boosting.180801:55:49,740 --> 01:55:54,300Oh, it was my pre boost. Yeah,Nomad, Joe 2000 SATs through180901:55:54,300 --> 01:55:57,270fountain and he says boostingfrom Lake Champlain in Vermont.181001:55:58,560 --> 01:56:03,000Anything about sex drawn 3000That's, that's a good thing.181101:56:03,000 --> 01:56:08,310It's a cool it's extra 3019 SATsand he just says trial boost.181201:56:08,340 --> 01:56:12,480Okay, Okay, gotcha. It'ssuccessful. Dion's in his 5000.181301:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,330SAS through Fontanini says ifTrudeau likes ranked voting, it181401:56:15,330 --> 01:56:20,940can't be good. Okay, that's forus. I guess they came to us181501:56:20,940 --> 01:56:23,670weird. I know. It sounds likeit's not meant for no agenda or181601:56:23,670 --> 01:56:26,400something. All right. Yeah. Itsaid podcasting. 2.0 maybe181701:56:26,430 --> 01:56:30,990confused and boosted the wrongshow is okay. Bumi he's from my181801:56:30,990 --> 01:56:32,640Alby, right. Oh, yeah.181901:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,480Is he from altbier? Yes, Ibelieve so. Yeah. Okay.182001:56:37,710 --> 01:56:41,0102100 SATs and he says confetticannon?182101:56:43,020 --> 01:56:45,810What I have I have I don't Ihave a182201:56:46,890 --> 01:56:49,050thought I had a confetti cannon.182301:56:50,580 --> 01:56:51,390Something like this182401:56:56,130 --> 01:56:56,640maybe not.182501:56:57,990 --> 01:57:02,550I like it is trying just tryingstuff out. Boris Gizelle ski182601:57:02,550 --> 01:57:05,160gave us 200 SATs and he saysthank you for your lots. Thank182701:57:05,160 --> 01:57:07,680you for lots of inspirations.You're welcome Boris. You're182801:57:07,680 --> 01:57:08,250very much182901:57:11,610 --> 01:57:20,520Oh slewed slewed send us53,000 53,163 SATs nice. He says183001:57:20,670 --> 01:57:28,170this 53,163 is 1611 times 33.When converted to fiat it only183101:57:28,170 --> 01:57:31,740comes out to about 10 bucks.Once Bitcoin hits 1 million each183201:57:31,740 --> 01:57:33,720set will be worth $1 Gopodcasting.183301:57:36,900 --> 01:57:37,860Go podcast183401:57:42,870 --> 01:57:47,820Auburn Citadel gives 49,490 SASand he says streaming gold 2.0183501:57:47,820 --> 01:57:51,240from Auburn California where the40 Niners flocked to during the183601:57:51,240 --> 01:57:55,860gold rush. Yay. Stream streamingthose SATs baby Thank you. Thank183701:57:55,860 --> 01:58:00,450you obviously that's a standard49 490 Boost thing I love it.183801:58:01,050 --> 01:58:04,590Cole McCormick's and as a roadducks 2222 And he says I used183901:58:04,590 --> 01:58:07,980fountains new promotion featureand I'm so hyped about getting184001:58:07,980 --> 01:58:12,780people set to listen to me. Maxsets per listen is 1500 set by184101:58:12,780 --> 01:58:16,770me. You have kept 1000 andboosted me 500 Now I get ducks184201:58:16,770 --> 01:58:19,050for you ducks listen to Americaplus184301:58:24,570 --> 01:58:28,170okay, America plus that's not togive that one a shot America184401:58:28,530 --> 01:58:32,760there's hard hat Yeah, there heis. He's in the house ladies.184501:58:33,330 --> 01:58:34,470Okay yes184601:58:36,840 --> 01:58:37,740the whole discussion184701:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,470a lot of control here yes boost184801:58:41,730 --> 01:58:45,390yeah curio caster 2222 And hesays hosting services should get184901:58:45,390 --> 01:58:48,450the V for V payments some otherway if they need a fee they185001:58:48,450 --> 01:58:49,620should charge the Creator185101:58:50,820 --> 01:58:55,410There you go yeah all all that'sthe next conversation we'll have185201:58:55,950 --> 01:58:58,440we're gonna stick with Hey, wekind of made it through this185301:58:58,440 --> 01:59:04,830one. Yeah, let's Yeah, I thinkwe I had to add an entire page185401:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,800of notes of stuff to talk aboutwe talked about one thing is185501:59:07,830 --> 01:59:10,290what else did you have? I'msorry. Let's get through the185601:59:10,290 --> 01:59:11,280booster Graham. So we do185701:59:12,360 --> 01:59:16,2602222 from Georgia. Oh, GeorgeOrwell boosted us. Oh.185801:59:17,940 --> 01:59:22,680How does that work? Okay, whatdid he say? A sentence 2222 I185901:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,920guess maybe that's an animalfarm boost. And bass says here's186001:59:25,920 --> 01:59:32,460my weekly boost. Gross. Gross,gross jus Nederland creatures186101:59:32,460 --> 01:59:34,290I'd natal on greetings from186201:59:39,030 --> 01:59:40,680okay, I get to practice that.186301:59:42,840 --> 01:59:48,030We get 3690 from Cat Cat spielennice drunk. New drunk. Drunk.186401:59:48,630 --> 01:59:50,010This is this this186501:59:52,830 --> 01:59:57,30020 to 22 SATs from George Orwellagain. Yeah, no note, and he186601:59:57,300 --> 01:59:59,910says 100 as 150 SATs from JamesCridland.186702:00:00,659 --> 02:00:04,529He says Enjoy enjoying listeningto you focus on fountain various186802:00:04,529 --> 02:00:10,739100 150 Come on James. Well, Iboost that guy 5000 That a pop186902:00:10,739 --> 02:00:12,359and he's boosting us 150187002:00:14,490 --> 02:00:18,720means send us 100 says throughbreeze and he just says thanks.187102:00:18,750 --> 02:00:23,640Thank you. Thank you. Thank youvery much. And comic strip187202:00:23,640 --> 02:00:29,280blogger, the delimiters send us15,033 sets through fountain and187302:00:29,280 --> 02:00:33,240he says Howdy, Dave and Adam. Iunderstand you're angry at high187402:00:33,240 --> 02:00:37,590car fuel prices. But war inUkraine is real not computer187502:00:37,590 --> 02:00:41,130generated video game. EvilRussians are bombing and firing187602:00:41,130 --> 02:00:45,060missiles at Ukraine anyways. Iinvite your audience to our187702:00:45,060 --> 02:00:48,360podcast about artificialintelligence, spoken by Gregory187802:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,510William Forsythe Foremanforgiving really interesting187902:00:51,510 --> 02:00:55,290that guy's great. Just enter inyour web browser or any podcast188002:00:55,290 --> 02:00:59,640app AI dot cooking. Yo, Joe,thank you.188102:01:01,230 --> 02:01:06,330Boost. Thank you very muchblogger, Nick as the master of188202:01:06,330 --> 02:01:10,500the non sequitur. And it'sreally and I have to say about188302:01:10,500 --> 02:01:11,610comic strip blogger.188402:01:13,470 --> 02:01:18,450He has been around every singlebusiness model we've tried. I188502:01:18,450 --> 02:01:20,850remember back when we had podshow, I think he actually posted188602:01:20,850 --> 02:01:25,650about this. He was the first tobuy ads for other podcasts on a188702:01:25,650 --> 02:01:33,660podcast that accepted ads. Yeah,so he has only one once it was188802:01:35,220 --> 02:01:38,820you know, Bitcoin came into playand Satoshi is you know, he's188902:01:38,880 --> 02:01:43,230he's been a really it's this isvery uncommon for him in general189002:01:43,230 --> 02:01:45,870but whenever there's somethingnew and he's always someone that189102:01:45,870 --> 02:01:50,010helps to tries to help launchsomething and I give him a lot189202:01:50,010 --> 02:01:53,670of credit for that. Oh yeah, forsure. Yeah, that's jumping in189302:01:53,670 --> 02:01:56,250there and willing to take arrowsand I sometimes still want to189402:01:56,250 --> 02:02:00,150smother his face with the pillowbut I really do really189502:02:00,150 --> 02:02:03,510appreciate and I say that withlove and he understands that I189602:02:03,510 --> 02:02:03,900hope189702:02:05,490 --> 02:02:07,410with love with with189802:02:09,570 --> 02:02:15,780monthly pay pals, we got DwayneGoldy $8 Paul airs doing $11.14189902:02:15,780 --> 02:02:21,540Thank you, Charles current $5Michael Gagan $5 James Sullivan190002:02:21,540 --> 02:02:28,950$10 Christopher reamer $10 SeanMcCune $20 Cohn glotzbach $5,190102:02:29,580 --> 02:02:33,990Jordan Dunnville $10 In podnews, $50 he's making up for the190202:02:35,460 --> 02:02:36,870pathetic boost. Nice.190302:02:38,040 --> 02:02:41,610Hey, we'd like to make up forthe pathetic droopy boost sound190402:02:41,610 --> 02:02:45,150that we played for you. That'sour group. Thanks, everybody. I190502:02:45,150 --> 02:02:48,060appreciate it. Really, reallyappreciate it. You can also190602:02:48,060 --> 02:02:53,220support us, I didn't check thetally coin my mistake. To see190702:02:53,220 --> 02:02:56,460how that's doing. You can go topodcast index.org. Go to the190802:02:56,490 --> 02:02:59,940scroll down to the bottom you'llsee a big red donate button. You190902:02:59,940 --> 02:03:03,120can use that to send us yourFiat fun coupons. We do accept191002:03:03,120 --> 02:03:07,380them, we do like them. But weprefer of course, on chain or191102:03:07,380 --> 02:03:10,830through one of the new podcastapps, which you can find at new191202:03:10,830 --> 02:03:14,280podcast apps.com. Let me justsee real quick if we got191302:03:14,280 --> 02:03:14,940anybody.191402:03:16,740 --> 02:03:21,690Last one was the 18th of June.And you know, if you do191502:03:21,690 --> 02:03:24,360something, leave your namethere. So the 18th of June191602:03:24,360 --> 02:03:27,870there's no name, but it was78,795 SATs.191702:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,740I wonder what that was? Wow,that was no whoever that was,191802:03:31,740 --> 02:03:34,950thank you, we appreciate that.But no, for real.191902:03:36,120 --> 02:03:40,290This is I feel good about thevalue that we're receiving. We192002:03:40,290 --> 02:03:42,600really appreciate it and that'show you should feel when you192102:03:42,600 --> 02:03:47,700send it whatever it is you send,it can be 5 million sets or 500192202:03:47,700 --> 02:03:50,790sets. If it's value to you,that's all that counts. We192302:03:50,790 --> 02:03:54,630appreciate it equally becausesomehow once the system was192402:03:54,630 --> 02:03:58,350running once once the flywheelspinning that kind of all evens192502:03:58,350 --> 02:04:03,120out there's no get rich quick inpodcasting in value for value,192602:04:03,240 --> 02:04:06,600but over time, you can actuallymake it and you cannot just say192702:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,450trust me on that because I'vedone it and I continue to do it.192802:04:10,470 --> 02:04:12,480So thank you very much toeverybody for that really192902:04:12,480 --> 02:04:13,200appreciate it.193002:04:14,700 --> 02:04:17,670Alright, so I've I've been I'vebeen tweaking the audio or going193102:04:17,670 --> 02:04:21,510along I'm a little happier Iguess at this point I can't tell193202:04:21,510 --> 02:04:24,960anymore I can you probably can'teither. Now I'm so used to it193302:04:24,960 --> 02:04:27,390now we've been we've beendrinking wine and running with193402:04:27,390 --> 02:04:32,460scissors it's this I know moresenses no none at all. What else193502:04:32,460 --> 02:04:34,380was on your list? Dave I'm surethere's something we need to193602:04:34,380 --> 02:04:35,550talk about before we go193702:04:38,400 --> 02:04:40,980in I don't know if we getanything that's short is that193802:04:40,980 --> 02:04:44,310they is the thing iseverything's kind of want to193902:04:44,310 --> 02:04:47,040give me the list. So I have itin my head and then I'll know194002:04:47,070 --> 02:04:51,150I'll remember as well for thenext show. Show social interact194102:04:51,150 --> 02:04:54,570tag is it okay to proceed yet.YouTube podcasting list of top194202:04:54,570 --> 02:04:58,830podcasts? How many are even onYouTube? Podcasting? 2.0 now I194302:04:58,830 --> 02:05:00,000can't talk about that. That's194402:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,650That's, I'm gonna hit you withsomething next week. Yeah, this194502:05:04,650 --> 02:05:05,340is gonna be fun.194602:05:07,140 --> 02:05:11,460We have secrets. Yeah, no, no itwill be all will be revealed.194702:05:11,970 --> 02:05:15,780Okay, anchor getting the boot.And then I have a bunch of194802:05:15,780 --> 02:05:19,380things below that John cIgisoundbite Creator tool cancelled194902:05:19,380 --> 02:05:21,990Netflix and audio subscriptaudible subscriptions Chris195002:05:21,990 --> 02:05:25,080Fisher boosting private feedSpotify political ads these that195102:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,290update frequently, like 55 a 10,partial word search in the195202:05:28,290 --> 02:05:32,040search in points and metadataupdate endpoints. Holy crap. How195302:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,860could you not tune into theshow? This is fantastic.195402:05:35,220 --> 02:05:39,360Everybody must return for nextFriday. Okay, yeah. Do we have a195502:05:39,360 --> 02:05:43,320guest we have a guest nextFriday. We do we have Steven D.195602:05:43,440 --> 02:05:47,820Gah. Oh, okay. Well, I'm sureI'm gonna put him for 20% in the195702:05:47,820 --> 02:05:48,630value block.195802:05:51,570 --> 02:05:53,370We'll get some will argue about195902:05:54,420 --> 02:05:57,210we'll talk about everything wetalked about today. Again, no,196002:05:57,240 --> 02:05:59,940we're not gonna do that. We'renot we're not gonna do that. But196102:05:59,940 --> 02:06:03,660I'm I hope you don't mindbecause I it certainly felt good196202:06:03,660 --> 02:06:07,140for me just to walk through itand just to you're a good guy196302:06:07,140 --> 02:06:10,320Dave. You don't get pissed offlike other partners I have196402:06:14,280 --> 02:06:20,280I've told Alex this before. I'mcursed by herbs of sanely thick196502:06:20,280 --> 02:06:23,760skin for some reason. Justthings just don't bother me.196602:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,780This is why it's perfect babyebony and ivory. This is good. I196702:06:27,780 --> 02:06:28,230love it.196802:06:31,020 --> 02:06:34,470That video so how many times inthe world how many times over196902:06:34,470 --> 02:06:37,200and over? Did you play thatvideo? Not as many as197002:06:37,290 --> 02:06:41,040Whitesnake. Here I go again orliving on a prayer from Bon Jovi197102:06:41,040 --> 02:06:44,520or New Kids on the Block. Ithink I played those were not by197202:06:44,520 --> 02:06:48,600choice. Two of those three arehorrible. Yeah. Which one? Which197302:06:48,600 --> 02:06:51,810one did you like? I likeWhitesnake, but the other two197402:06:51,810 --> 02:06:52,200were bad.197502:06:54,450 --> 02:06:57,600Ah, yes, there it is. Everybody.This is the board meeting197602:06:57,600 --> 02:07:01,500podcasting. 2.0 we return nextFriday. Join us we'll chat.197702:07:01,650 --> 02:07:03,900We'll do it live. Take careeverybody bye.197802:07:19,350 --> 02:07:23,220Do you hope you have beenlistening to podcasting 2.0197902:07:23,310 --> 02:07:27,960Visit podcast index.org For moreinformation, podcasts.