Episode 90: J and K

100:00:00,570 --> 00:00:06,900podcasting 2.0 for June 17 2020to Episode 90, it's the J and K.200:00:09,570 --> 00:00:13,620Do we all have our scissors? Areyou ready, start running time300:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,590for the board meeting ofpodcasting. 2.0 everything400:00:16,590 --> 00:00:19,890happening with Well, of course,podcasting 2.0 the podcast500:00:19,890 --> 00:00:24,000index.org The newest and latestdevelopments in the podcast600:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,220standards, the namespace and ofcourse, everything we're700:00:26,220 --> 00:00:30,750discussing over at podcast indexdot social. I'm Adam curry here800:00:30,750 --> 00:00:33,960in the heart of the Texas HillCountry and in Alabama. He's the900:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,110postman for your API endpointladies and gentlemen, say hello1000:00:37,110 --> 00:00:40,260to my friend on the other end,Mr. Dave Jones.1100:00:41,280 --> 00:00:48,360So my strategy should have beenin 2020, long about long about1200:00:48,360 --> 00:00:55,560June of 2020. I should havebought like 455 gallon drums and1300:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,500just filled them to the top withget with gasoline.1400:00:58,650 --> 00:01:01,980Oh, yes. It's called the Alabamastrategic reserve.1500:01:03,420 --> 00:01:08,850ASR Yes, I should havereplenished the ASR at at low1600:01:08,850 --> 00:01:11,340prices so that I would not befeeling the pain.1700:01:11,670 --> 00:01:14,940What today what is your what isyour truck get? What is your1800:01:14,940 --> 00:01:18,030mile per gallon on on yourclassic Ford pickup?1900:01:18,750 --> 00:01:22,440It's not bad. No, it's not badat all. It's where I'm cruising.2000:01:22,470 --> 00:01:27,36015 to 17 miles per gallon 15702100:01:27,660 --> 00:01:30,030Is that bad? I get 30 in my car.2200:01:31,230 --> 00:01:35,760Miss show off. Its fist 15 to 172300:01:36,060 --> 00:01:40,110modern car you know moderncomputer controlled injection2400:01:40,110 --> 00:01:43,230and everything. So it's it'sultimately tuned by the fine2500:01:43,230 --> 00:01:46,230folks at Mercedes Benz aroundtown.2600:01:46,230 --> 00:01:49,3501570. On the highway, I get alittle bit hard, but it's a six2700:01:49,350 --> 00:01:52,230cylinder so it's not too bad.Now the one the one that's bad.2800:01:52,230 --> 00:02:03,510So we we recently got another wegot a 1967 F 100. We we picked2900:02:03,510 --> 00:02:07,350that one up off Facebookmarketplace. And now that one3000:02:07,350 --> 00:02:12,720has a 460 in it in the fourbarrel. It's like 10 miles to3100:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,320the gallon. You know, I guessspending most of his time3200:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,730sitting on the curb. I got3300:02:17,730 --> 00:02:24,630my e 300. Almost four yearsthree years ago now. And it has3400:02:24,630 --> 00:02:28,800all the stylings of the like theAMG kind of subtle but really3500:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,730hot car. But under the under thehood, you know, it's the E it's3600:02:32,730 --> 00:02:39,390not the actual AMG. It's a twoliter nine speed engine. And I3700:02:39,390 --> 00:02:42,060think it's I think it's fourcylinder.3800:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,370But the man doesn't speech.3900:02:45,060 --> 00:02:48,750But those guys they've tunedthat stuff. It's unbelievable.4000:02:49,110 --> 00:02:50,610How much power they get out ofit.4100:02:51,330 --> 00:02:55,170I mean, that's the whole thingnow is small small block big,4200:02:55,380 --> 00:02:58,440big turbo. Yeah. Yeah, I'massuming Yes.4300:02:58,530 --> 00:03:02,190No, of course of course. But Ithink it's the the nine speeds4400:03:02,190 --> 00:03:05,430that really does it. I mean, youjust pop out. Pew pew pew pew4500:03:05,430 --> 00:03:06,180pew fifth.4600:03:07,830 --> 00:03:12,420Yeah. Like that's that. So I'verebuilt and rebuilt an automatic4700:03:12,420 --> 00:03:19,260transmission before. And it isso much the one I rebuilt was a4800:03:19,260 --> 00:03:25,020nanny for four hours and DW saysit for transmission rebuilt it4900:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,030in my kitchen. And the way thatyou pull it apart and all the5000:03:30,150 --> 00:03:34,140clutch packs and everything.They're all pretty beefy, decent5100:03:34,140 --> 00:03:37,650size. You know, once you getinto like a nine speed 10 Speed.5200:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,100Yeah, I mean, those thoseclutch, this clutch packs are so5300:03:41,100 --> 00:03:45,750small, that in thin that itdoesn't take hardly anything to5400:03:45,750 --> 00:03:48,120just blow one of those things.Yeah, yeah.5500:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,230Yeah, the show was lit onceagain. We've been experimenting5600:03:52,230 --> 00:03:55,680for the past couple a couple ofweeks with the live item tag the5700:03:55,680 --> 00:04:02,310which contracts the acronym lit.I think now, I did it yesterday5800:04:02,310 --> 00:04:05,550on no agenda, although the podverse signal did not go off,5900:04:05,550 --> 00:04:09,150which I presume is the cachingissue that is on my end, right.6000:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,870Yeah, that's right. Because whatpart of this CDN issue6100:04:12,899 --> 00:04:16,289Yeah, so I think what happenedso pod verse receives the pod6200:04:16,289 --> 00:04:19,559ping that the show is lit but itparses the feed can't find it6300:04:19,559 --> 00:04:22,799because of the cache and thengives up is that the idea? Is6400:04:23,189 --> 00:04:24,149that what's happening6500:04:24,780 --> 00:04:29,010is the feed is always the sourceof truth Yeah, in apps6600:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,280appropriately as they shouldthey see the pod and a lot of6700:04:32,280 --> 00:04:36,030piping come through and thenthey go and they parse the XML6800:04:36,030 --> 00:04:39,180to make sure that it matches youknow, instead of some buddy6900:04:39,180 --> 00:04:43,590can't just spam a bunch of livetags right or live in then they7000:04:43,590 --> 00:04:46,080go matched up so okay, this thisthing actually have a live item7100:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,140and if it does, is it this isthe status live, right, if all7200:04:49,140 --> 00:04:51,870that matches up, and it allchecks out? Denison's7300:04:51,870 --> 00:04:56,460notifications, okay, but sinceyours is cached, it's just it's7400:04:56,460 --> 00:05:01,740taking a long time to update.Yeah. Oh, And I honestly, I'm7500:05:03,390 --> 00:05:05,340not exactly sure how to fixthat.7600:05:06,750 --> 00:05:09,570Well, I know Mitch was workingon some cache busting URL7700:05:09,570 --> 00:05:12,870extensions, which I don't knowif I guess it didn't work.7800:05:13,980 --> 00:05:20,460No, it didn't it can't I mean,caching. You could just when it7900:05:20,460 --> 00:05:23,460comes to caching, I mean, you,you could say something like,8000:05:25,830 --> 00:05:29,520we're not going to look atanything. You could say, we're8100:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,480not going to look at any HTTPheaders, we're not going to look8200:05:33,480 --> 00:05:39,660at any URL parameters. All we'regonna do is look at just this8300:05:39,660 --> 00:05:47,190resource. And the only the sofor, for the non technical. It'd8400:05:47,190 --> 00:05:54,420be like, https colon slashslash, no agenda stream, or I8500:05:54,420 --> 00:06:00,480don't even know what theurls.com/feed.xml So that would8600:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,820be your fault. That's the filethat you're downloading. Right?8700:06:02,850 --> 00:06:07,020That's the that's the feed file,then you could you could say, it8800:06:07,020 --> 00:06:09,240doesn't matter what the headersare this I'm talking about as8900:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,210the cat. Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure.Sure. Sure. You can say I don't9000:06:12,210 --> 00:06:15,240care what the what anything elseyou send me you could put in a9100:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,870question mark some URL parameteron the end of it, or you could9200:06:18,870 --> 00:06:21,660send some e Tag headers, or lastmodified or anything like that,9300:06:21,660 --> 00:06:24,780you could say, as the cache, I'mgonna ignore all that. Right,9400:06:24,810 --> 00:06:28,740I'm just gonna give you back thechanges when I want you to,9500:06:29,160 --> 00:06:29,700which I think9600:06:29,700 --> 00:06:33,540is how the CDM s is acting. Ithink that's what's happening. I9700:06:33,540 --> 00:06:36,690don't care what you're doingwith your dangling things there.9800:06:36,990 --> 00:06:38,730Your question mark dangles,9900:06:39,150 --> 00:06:42,390sometimes you don't want peoplebusting the cache, because it's10000:06:42,390 --> 00:06:47,670so critical that it not go overbandwidth concerns that you just10100:06:47,670 --> 00:06:50,580say, Look, I'm gonna give it toyou when I want you to have it.10200:06:50,580 --> 00:06:54,690And you can't tell me anythingelse. Yeah. I think that's10300:06:54,690 --> 00:06:55,620what's happening. And yeah,10400:06:55,650 --> 00:07:00,090well, I'm I'm a uniquesituation. Currently, you're10500:07:00,090 --> 00:07:00,720always a unique.10600:07:01,950 --> 00:07:05,310But this for podcasting. 2.0works really well. And that's10700:07:05,310 --> 00:07:08,850just send a server clickety.Click boom, it's working. Love10800:07:08,850 --> 00:07:09,240it. Yeah.10900:07:10,740 --> 00:07:16,530Yeah, we have so weird, the wayours is set is that we're doing11000:07:16,530 --> 00:07:23,010it through Cloudflare. With withobject storage on the back end.11100:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,870So Cloudflare Cloudflare canobviously handle that load, they11200:07:27,870 --> 00:07:37,260can handle these spikes. Youryour CDN is using, I think, a11300:07:37,260 --> 00:07:42,210local caching server, and isprobably theirs, that's probably11400:07:42,210 --> 00:07:45,360self defense, I would have toimagine for that caching server,11500:07:45,900 --> 00:07:47,640because it just can't handlethat.11600:07:47,670 --> 00:07:51,600Well. There's also a propagationissue with my CDN, because it's11700:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,800homebaked. So I upload it to oneserver, it has to be uploaded to11800:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,770the other three. Now, that takesa little bit of time.11900:07:59,309 --> 00:08:03,119Oh, okay. So this is a newinformation. So you see, there's12000:08:03,119 --> 00:08:05,579like a load balancer in front ofit or something? Yeah,12100:08:05,610 --> 00:08:10,410well, I get an email that says,Okay, this is what I do. I drop12200:08:10,410 --> 00:08:14,250it into my FTP client uploads,and then I wait, and I get an12300:08:14,250 --> 00:08:17,190email that says, Okay, this isthe resource, and it'll show me12400:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,560all the machines that it wascopied to, if there were any12500:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,810errors, it of course, it tellsme there's an error right up12600:08:21,810 --> 00:08:26,160front, but there isn't, it tellsme the file name. And, and then12700:08:26,700 --> 00:08:30,960theoretically, it's good to go.But in practice, it still takes12800:08:31,290 --> 00:08:34,680anywhere from because I see itwith the hyper capture, when,12900:08:35,520 --> 00:08:41,190when I go to do the set up thedefault chapter mark, which is13000:08:41,190 --> 00:08:43,380kind of important because acouple apps out there if you13100:08:43,380 --> 00:08:48,840have a link to a chapter jsonfile resource in your RSS feed,13200:08:49,410 --> 00:08:52,860but there's nothing there. Thenone of the apps was breaking. I13300:08:52,860 --> 00:08:56,040can't remember which one it was.There was like actually13400:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,660crashing, crashing. So I justthought, well, it's just a good13500:09:00,660 --> 00:09:02,670idea to have that in there. AndI can always put a little13600:09:02,670 --> 00:09:06,000message you know, hey, dribscoming, you know, the Bruce13700:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,030Wayne of podcasting. 2.0 willhave the chapters ready soon.13800:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,140But but when I go into hypercapture, I have to kind of sit13900:09:13,140 --> 00:09:17,580there and refresh for anywherefrom 30 seconds to five minutes14000:09:18,120 --> 00:09:23,220before hyper capture can pull itup. Okay, so yeah, it's14100:09:23,310 --> 00:09:24,720that that's, that's consistent.14200:09:24,990 --> 00:09:28,920Okay. I'm fine. Like, this isnot fun. These scissors are no14300:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,180good. They're not sharp.14400:09:30,659 --> 00:09:31,859It's bogus, scissors.14500:09:32,370 --> 00:09:33,780Scissors are not happening.14600:09:35,190 --> 00:09:38,070Yeah, that's consistent withwhat we've seen before with your14700:09:38,070 --> 00:09:42,780feed. Now, you know what, likeback? What was it? We kept? It14800:09:42,780 --> 00:09:48,210kept dropping his credit was theinitial pod pain. It was when we14900:09:48,210 --> 00:09:51,450first rolled out pod ping.Things weren't going through,15000:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,320right, right.15100:09:52,860 --> 00:09:56,880webs. That's what it was webs.Because you kept sending things15200:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,300you're like it's not updating.But it's because the XML is Some15300:10:00,300 --> 00:10:04,710wasn't there yet. So what Imean, if it's a propagation15400:10:04,710 --> 00:10:08,910issue on the backside, I thinkit's both. Yeah. Okay.15500:10:09,990 --> 00:10:12,030Well, we'll figure it out oneway15600:10:12,029 --> 00:10:15,209or the other the only guy thatknows his voice. I have you15700:10:15,209 --> 00:10:17,639talked to him? I have not yet.15800:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,330I have two clips I'd like toplay at the top of the show.15900:10:21,870 --> 00:10:27,930Well, yes, yes. Yes to exemplifywhat what I feel we're doing16000:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,430with the considering theoriginal mission of podcasting16100:10:32,430 --> 00:10:37,5302.0. I think we're right ontrack. And here are the two16200:10:37,530 --> 00:10:42,990reasons why. One is, of course,we want to protect podcasting16300:10:42,990 --> 00:10:47,160and podcasters and protect theirfreedom of speech, within the16400:10:47,220 --> 00:10:51,660legality of of any laws, ofcourse, which we've discussed16500:10:51,690 --> 00:10:54,450quite openly here many times.But in general, if you want the16600:10:54,450 --> 00:11:01,410x 22 report, hey, yeah. This iscentral western bank news. So if16700:11:01,410 --> 00:11:04,530you want to hear that, then youcan get it on a podcast and 2.016800:11:04,530 --> 00:11:11,070app. As you know, part of thisproject was the foresight that16900:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,520there's going to be censorshipand this censorship is going to17000:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,070be for all kinds of reasons. Andin the past two years, we've17100:11:17,070 --> 00:11:24,300seen it mainly for medicalprocedures and medication people17200:11:24,300 --> 00:11:29,340have been D platformed. told toshut up told to go away D17300:11:29,340 --> 00:11:34,110monetize the YouTube, certainlyquite quite active in that17400:11:34,110 --> 00:11:42,240regard. And now we are in anenergy crisis. energy crisis17500:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,720now, the origins of it, you candebate and that's the point you17600:11:45,720 --> 00:11:51,420should be able to debate and todebate it. But you, most people,17700:11:51,420 --> 00:11:54,810I think, have probably seen themeans that we briefly had a17800:11:54,810 --> 00:11:57,660director or Executive Directorof something called the17900:11:57,660 --> 00:12:03,330disinformation governance boardin the United States. As scary.18000:12:03,930 --> 00:12:06,900Still a great title. Yeah, well,believe me this thing didn't go18100:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,290away. The thing is not gone as apart of Department of Homeland18200:12:10,290 --> 00:12:13,080Security, Michael Chertoff, theChertoff Group, they're the ones18300:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,620that are mentoring this and thatguy, you know, you go look at18400:12:16,620 --> 00:12:19,560any of the full body scanners inthe airport, that's the guy who18500:12:19,560 --> 00:12:24,600put them there. And somewhistleblower came forward and18600:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,260said, hey, you know, these guyswere ready to operationalize18700:12:29,100 --> 00:12:34,500their relationship. And this isapparently where Nina Yang18800:12:34,500 --> 00:12:40,020covets comes in. She's goodfriends with several high up18900:12:40,200 --> 00:12:48,780executives at Twitter, just toname one. And the idea is if19000:12:48,780 --> 00:12:53,130there's something going on in ona social network that goes19100:12:53,130 --> 00:12:57,090against the government mandatenarrative, you know, pick19200:12:57,090 --> 00:13:00,570whatever you want, then theywill contact the social media19300:13:00,570 --> 00:13:03,780companies in the social mediacompanies will then do something19400:13:03,780 --> 00:13:09,780about it. That's basicallycalled censorship. But it was19500:13:09,780 --> 00:13:13,590all a little bit under theradar. And, you know, this blew19600:13:13,590 --> 00:13:16,170up in everyone's face. Again,it's not gone. But here's our19700:13:16,170 --> 00:13:19,920energy secretary, Gina McCarthy,talking about this very topic.19800:13:19,950 --> 00:13:23,400And so the challenge is now thatwe're moving from denial, to19900:13:23,400 --> 00:13:29,160actually just trying to, todisengage the public from20000:13:29,190 --> 00:13:33,630understanding the values ofsolar energy, the values of wind20100:13:33,630 --> 00:13:37,530energy, the benefits of cleanenergy, we have to get tighter,20200:13:37,740 --> 00:13:41,580we have to get better atcommunicating. And frankly, the20300:13:41,580 --> 00:13:46,200tech companies have to stopallowing specific individuals20400:13:46,230 --> 00:13:50,340over and over again to spreadthis information. That's what20500:13:50,340 --> 00:13:54,180the fossil fuel companies payfor that's what folks who make20600:13:54,180 --> 00:13:58,890money out of fossil fuels indon't make money it's been don't20700:13:58,890 --> 00:14:03,300care about saving consumerscosts. That's what they do. We20800:14:03,300 --> 00:14:06,090have to be smarter than that.And we need the tech companies20900:14:06,270 --> 00:14:07,500to really jump in.21000:14:08,610 --> 00:14:12,000So they have not they've notforgotten about the tech21100:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,220companies who they need toreally jump in whether they have21200:14:14,220 --> 00:14:17,940a disinformation governanceboard or not. Yeah, and the21300:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,100Cavalier ness of which shespeaks21400:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,330like like it's just no big deallike it's just it's just spot21500:14:24,330 --> 00:14:26,160isn't we need to do it thesciences21600:14:26,159 --> 00:14:30,629in the people are too stupid.You don't understand how great21700:14:30,629 --> 00:14:36,929solar and wind is. So thereforeno discussion. So, yes,21800:14:37,529 --> 00:14:39,029I've got a I've got a clip21900:14:40,230 --> 00:14:41,220groobie22000:14:42,059 --> 00:14:45,419the play? What if the people arestupid?22100:14:47,130 --> 00:14:50,460And faced by the horror in theBalkans, President Clinton's22200:14:50,460 --> 00:14:54,000representative called RichardHolbrook brought the question22300:14:54,030 --> 00:14:59,130out into the open. Supposeelections are free and fair, he22400:14:59,130 --> 00:15:04,230said And those elected areracist fascists, separatists.22500:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,300That is the dilemma22600:15:13,110 --> 00:15:17,040an American political scientistcould Fareed Zakaria put it more22700:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,990bluntly. The people we are told,he said, are the most important.22800:15:22,980 --> 00:15:26,850We are driven by the phrase, theAmerican people are not stupid.22900:15:27,780 --> 00:15:29,010But what if they are?23000:15:30,179 --> 00:15:34,229So yeah, Fareed Zakaria, theanti constitutionalist, dude23100:15:34,289 --> 00:15:38,999from CNN, hey, Phoebe, Camilla.She doesn't see she hears his23200:15:39,029 --> 00:15:42,659dog or she hears Fareed Zakaria.She's like bark bark. Hear me23300:15:42,659 --> 00:15:43,649girls. Okay. You're good.23400:15:44,669 --> 00:15:46,589I mean, that's, that's the23500:15:46,980 --> 00:15:49,950whole The whole point is if ifthe people are stupid, and the23600:15:49,950 --> 00:15:52,860people like stupid people,that's our own stupid mistake to23700:15:52,860 --> 00:15:56,520make. That's what America isbuilt on. Yep.23800:15:57,090 --> 00:16:00,930And also, it also reveals a waythat a way that a certain class23900:16:00,930 --> 00:16:05,490of people are thinking aboutdemand out the rest of us.24000:16:05,519 --> 00:16:09,389Yes. And it's whatever you do,but don't have any Converse?24100:16:09,569 --> 00:16:12,719Well, I think there's adifference between stupid and24200:16:12,719 --> 00:16:16,169dumb. I believe they meant tosay the American people are24300:16:16,169 --> 00:16:20,279dumb, because people like FareedZakaria are stupid. He's not.24400:16:20,609 --> 00:16:25,289He's very intelligent,obviously. But he's stupid. And24500:16:25,289 --> 00:16:29,219there's a lot of this on displayright now a lot of things like24600:16:29,249 --> 00:16:33,509Do you not see the completecontradiction that you have? The24700:16:33,509 --> 00:16:38,189statement you're making is youcan just turn on the TV. Anyway,24800:16:39,149 --> 00:16:42,479the idea that you can't discussthese things, like, you know,24900:16:42,509 --> 00:16:46,049and I can see where people getreally uptight, over vaccines or25000:16:46,049 --> 00:16:50,039mandates, and you know, this,oh, my goodness, yeah. Why is25100:16:50,039 --> 00:16:54,209this even a discussion? Youknow, are we allowed to, I25200:16:54,209 --> 00:16:58,139guess, the New York Times hasmade us allowed to talk about25300:16:58,139 --> 00:17:01,079our president and that heclearly is unfit for office, you25400:17:01,079 --> 00:17:04,589know, so, the go ahead has beengiven for that. But when it25500:17:04,589 --> 00:17:09,179comes to any discussion, andthis is how it goes, we've,25600:17:09,299 --> 00:17:11,729we've seen what happens like,you gotta label click, you're25700:17:11,729 --> 00:17:15,179done. You don't surface you'retaken off, because you had the25800:17:15,179 --> 00:17:19,499audacity to talk about nuclear.Yeah, you know, stuff like that.25900:17:19,499 --> 00:17:25,349So I feel that mission is wellaccomplished, I'm very proud of26000:17:25,349 --> 00:17:29,099the work that everybody's done.Of the size of, of the26100:17:29,099 --> 00:17:34,679collection of the cleanliness ofthe data that we have, and the26200:17:34,679 --> 00:17:39,629access to it. And this This istruly, truly revolutionary. What26300:17:39,629 --> 00:17:42,599we and I mean it in the realsense of the word revolutionary,26400:17:43,289 --> 00:17:45,869is revolution revolutionariesusually don't get money from oil26500:17:45,869 --> 00:17:46,529companies.26600:17:48,690 --> 00:17:49,740I haven't got my check yet.26700:17:50,549 --> 00:17:53,459I did go to the to the to themailbox before I started the26800:17:53,459 --> 00:17:55,019show, just in case but no.26900:17:55,710 --> 00:17:59,700Safety Check. Yeah. Well, Imean, good. You know, Google, we27000:17:59,700 --> 00:18:02,550see we see what happens withwith censorship anyway, even on27100:18:02,550 --> 00:18:05,670a technical level, with thestuff this week of Google27200:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,460censoring the word censoringpodcasts with the word lesbian27300:18:08,460 --> 00:18:09,570in it, you know, I27400:18:09,990 --> 00:18:13,740that's interesting. You bringthat up, because, in a rare27500:18:13,740 --> 00:18:16,530moment, I played this clip on noagenda.27600:18:17,370 --> 00:18:21,300during pride month, Googlepodcasts is blocking and hiding27700:18:21,330 --> 00:18:24,630some podcast episodes apparentlybecause they use the word27800:18:24,810 --> 00:18:29,670lesbian RPG roams apparel andglories during the 13th episode27900:18:29,670 --> 00:18:33,000visible everywhere else isn'tavailable on Google podcasts in28000:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,490the US, UK or Australia, even tologged in over 18 users. The28100:18:38,490 --> 00:18:41,850podcast creators say there'snothing adult in this episode at28200:18:41,850 --> 00:18:42,240all.28300:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,480No, I think I have a differenttake on this than then James or28400:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,320maybe even you.28500:18:47,730 --> 00:18:50,880I'll tell you mathematics reallysimple. My take my take is just28600:18:50,910 --> 00:18:54,480I told you so. I mean, like, Ithink I've been saying from the28700:18:54,480 --> 00:19:00,990very beginning. Yes. That No.Any any of this when you empower28800:19:00,990 --> 00:19:05,010censorship? Yep. And it's goingaccording to your plan,28900:19:05,010 --> 00:19:08,820everything is fine, everything'sgreat. But as soon as it swings29000:19:08,820 --> 00:19:11,640the other way and goes and now Ifeel like this is clearly a29100:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,350mistake. That mistake on theirpart but the once it starts to29200:19:16,350 --> 00:19:20,430swing the other way, you've justget you willingly gave the tools29300:19:20,430 --> 00:19:22,950to the people to do the thingthat's now going to bite you in29400:19:22,950 --> 00:19:23,220the butt.29500:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,300Yeah, my take is somewhatdifferent. It is it is also an I29600:19:27,300 --> 00:19:30,150told you so. But I already29700:19:30,180 --> 00:19:31,200pre approval of it.29800:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,760You know, I've studied the LGBTQq ia P k plus community as a29900:19:38,760 --> 00:19:45,240narrative since its inception.It started as G L. This is where30000:19:45,240 --> 00:19:52,350the GLA D comes from the Gay andLesbian Alliance. alliance30100:19:52,380 --> 00:19:55,350against anti defamationdefamation30200:19:55,350 --> 00:19:59,970Yeah, but it's always G L andthen we got G lb. Gay Lesbian.30300:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,290bisexual. This goes back a fewyears, I know I date myself. And30400:20:04,290 --> 00:20:08,220then we had a switcheroo. Itbecame LGB. And the lesbians30500:20:08,220 --> 00:20:11,880moved to the front of the line.And this was the beginning of30600:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,730the breakup of something thatnever existed, which is this30700:20:14,730 --> 00:20:20,460fallacy and, and I accused allall reporters and journalists30800:20:20,460 --> 00:20:24,420and talking heads of doing this.Just like there is no black and30900:20:24,420 --> 00:20:28,650brown community. It's not acommunity. In fact, those two31000:20:28,650 --> 00:20:36,030can be polar up opposite often.There's also no LGBTQI community31100:20:36,480 --> 00:20:43,440and to show you that that'strue. The there's enormous hate31200:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,190against gay men right now. Andin fact, the problem with gay31300:20:47,190 --> 00:20:52,800men is their men that they havetoxic masculinity certainly, you31400:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,850know, the kind of the beef thebeefy gay guys, and they in31500:20:56,850 --> 00:20:59,550fact, there's been many articlesyou can go take a look at it.31600:20:59,970 --> 00:21:03,720There's now on all you havewhite gay privilege, white male31700:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,150gay privilege. So the gays arebeing the gay men are being31800:21:06,150 --> 00:21:11,340pushed out. Now the lesbians arealso problematic, often known as31900:21:11,340 --> 00:21:14,850turfs. Because the lesbians aresaying, well, a trans woman is32000:21:14,850 --> 00:21:18,240not really a woman, you see theproblem. So the lesbians are on32100:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,200the way out. And the way this isbeing done, you see, okay, you32200:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,760cannot have a property,immediate property or a program32300:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,970or this is my opinion, I couldbe wrong. That does not32400:21:29,970 --> 00:21:34,380recognize all the rainbowpeople. If it doesn't recognize32500:21:34,380 --> 00:21:40,560LGBTQI, at minimum, you can'tjust do something about else. So32600:21:40,590 --> 00:21:44,250yeah, I told you so is right, isfor different reasons. I think32700:21:44,250 --> 00:21:47,580Google is ultra woke. That's theproblem. It's an ultra woke32800:21:47,580 --> 00:21:52,020move, not a discriminatory movebased against lesbians, per se.32900:21:52,350 --> 00:21:56,370So you're saying it's a it's athe word, the word gay and the33000:21:56,370 --> 00:22:01,470word lesbian are being those arebeing ousted? brought out? Yeah,33100:22:01,470 --> 00:22:04,020those are being taken out.Indeed. So the only thing you're33200:22:04,020 --> 00:22:08,730allowed to use is the is theacronym LGBT. Okay. And you have33300:22:08,730 --> 00:22:14,220to add, yes, it's LGBTQ i plus.That's the official, the33400:22:14,220 --> 00:22:17,430official acronym, I believe thatis shorting a lot of important33500:22:17,430 --> 00:22:21,300people. Yes. There's two b's.33600:22:22,380 --> 00:22:25,950That's possible. I never thoughtabout it that way. It struck me33700:22:25,950 --> 00:22:26,580every possible33800:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,910because Google's got wokepeople, you know, and they33900:22:29,910 --> 00:22:33,030wouldn't just discriminate. Nowcould also be a simple mistake.34000:22:33,060 --> 00:22:36,660But you're right, the tools arethere, the tools get used. So34100:22:36,660 --> 00:22:40,260let's talk about these tools.This next clip is a little bit34200:22:40,260 --> 00:22:43,470shorter, even. It's part of alonger conversation, you know,34300:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,990I'll see if I can find the linkand put it in the show notes.34400:22:46,350 --> 00:22:50,970Many people saw this but I thinkit was just beautiful. To see34500:22:51,300 --> 00:22:54,330that the system we havedeveloped this value for value34600:22:54,330 --> 00:22:58,380streaming payment system that wehave now incorporated into what34700:22:58,380 --> 00:23:02,520do we have? Are there seven appsnow that the can do this? thing?34800:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,140So yeah. So I'm obviously I'mleaving other podcasts and to34900:23:07,140 --> 00:23:11,220point us stuff out of itnamespace just for, for35000:23:11,220 --> 00:23:15,030clarification of us reachingthese goals. I'm no I'm sure you35100:23:15,030 --> 00:23:18,810saw this is Marc Andreessen ofAndreessen Horowitz, big venture35200:23:18,810 --> 00:23:20,040capital company.35300:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,310You got it. Okay. You get thisclip, almost clipped it. And I35400:23:23,310 --> 00:23:27,270know him 1993 I think it was Igot an email. I was running35500:23:27,270 --> 00:23:33,570mtv.com with a gopher server.And it was, hey, it's Mark. He35600:23:33,570 --> 00:23:37,680was at college, ChampaignUrbana, Illinois. Hey said I've35700:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,670got this, this thing. It's amosaic. It's a browser. And you35800:23:41,670 --> 00:23:46,770need to set up an HTTP daemondaemon. And so am I headless son35900:23:46,770 --> 00:23:49,290three, I struggled through itgot it set up, and it worked.36000:23:49,890 --> 00:23:53,640And that was Netscape. And sothat's when mtv.com was on the36100:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,890web. Now we fast forward. Whatis it now? That 40 years? No.36200:23:59,850 --> 00:24:06,5103030 years? 32,003? Yeah, 30years, a lot. We have podcast in36300:24:06,510 --> 00:24:11,9402.0, which is a, an open groupand open project, anybody can36400:24:11,940 --> 00:24:15,480join, anybody can participate.And because of the value for36500:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,720value streaming payment systemwith the with the value block36600:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,940splits, everybody can andusually does participate in the36700:24:23,940 --> 00:24:27,570ecosystem, which was also one ofthe missions. The idea and this36800:24:27,570 --> 00:24:31,200is before this magical thingcame up called Web three.36900:24:31,650 --> 00:24:34,980Because web three sounds anawful lot like it37000:24:35,010 --> 00:24:37,530when I'm hoping and what we'reactually seeking at the firm37100:24:37,530 --> 00:24:40,530what we're trying very hard tofind. I'm hoping for example,37200:24:40,530 --> 00:24:43,110for podcasts. I'm hoping fiveyears from now, there will be37300:24:43,110 --> 00:24:45,990these thriving, you know, callit web three podcast37400:24:45,990 --> 00:24:49,710environments that will be openand will be you know, it will37500:24:49,710 --> 00:24:52,050have this sort of anarchic,uncontrolled kind of element37600:24:52,050 --> 00:24:54,960that I think that I think youand I both like, however, will37700:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,540have a higher level of trust andwill have a higher level of a37800:24:57,540 --> 00:25:00,660monetary incentive an economicincentive. Then the open37900:25:00,660 --> 00:25:02,820networks of the past usuallydead. And so there's this38000:25:02,820 --> 00:25:05,370there's this third way. And youknow, this is still early, but38100:25:05,370 --> 00:25:07,800like we're quite optimistic thatthere might be a new way to38200:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,570build these systems. And I'mexcited to see what happens.38300:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,240So it's a little anarchistic.It's a third way. Everybody38400:25:15,270 --> 00:25:18,300profits from their ownendeavors. It's more38500:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,250distributed. Huh? What does thissound like to you, Dave?38600:25:24,390 --> 00:25:26,820I can't I mean, I'm racking mybrain. I can't think of38700:25:26,820 --> 00:25:31,230anything. That I mean, this mustbe something new that the38800:25:31,230 --> 00:25:34,260world's never seen before. Now,I can't say I can't think of a38900:25:34,260 --> 00:25:35,910single thing that already doesthis.39000:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,050So I think we can both say thatwe don't need to wait five39100:25:40,050 --> 00:25:45,120years. It's here we're doing it.And with was it now? Well over39200:25:45,120 --> 00:25:51,4807000 podcast, using the valuefor value streaming payments and39300:25:51,510 --> 00:25:53,940booster grams and all thatstuff? I think we're kind of39400:25:53,940 --> 00:25:57,720their apps get paid. developersget a piece now. Is everybody39500:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,740making bank? No, no. But thereis something very important.39600:26:01,740 --> 00:26:03,660Listen again to what he says inthe beginning,39700:26:03,690 --> 00:26:06,270what I'm hoping and what we'reactually seeking at the firm.39800:26:06,270 --> 00:26:07,440What we're trying very hard tofind39900:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,360what we're trying very hard tofund. Well, I40000:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,650think got a check on thateither.40100:26:13,650 --> 00:26:17,310No, although it makes me thinkyou know, Dave, we should wrap40200:26:17,310 --> 00:26:20,010this whole thing up and sell itto Marc Andreessen. Everybody40300:26:20,010 --> 00:26:23,700gets rich. Come on, why don't wesell the whole thing?40400:26:23,730 --> 00:26:28,200Everything? I'm just doing thisobviously for effect.40500:26:28,710 --> 00:26:31,560Yes, we I mean, we could haveokay, we can probably well, we40600:26:31,560 --> 00:26:31,740could.40700:26:32,250 --> 00:26:36,690We could sell curio caster andbreeze and fountain. And we40800:26:36,690 --> 00:26:41,280could sell all the apps.Everyone gets a piece. Everyone40900:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,330gets a million bucks.41000:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,460We create an LLC that's got 150people in it, but we have an41100:26:47,460 --> 00:26:51,960LLC. Okay, we're just expandingthis one too, to encompass you.41200:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,970No, no, no, we're just gonnahave any five different41300:26:53,970 --> 00:26:54,480developers.41400:26:55,140 --> 00:26:57,870This package you're thinking allwrong. If we're gonna do the VC41500:26:57,870 --> 00:27:01,140route. We're gonna do money. Wetake the money we tip everybody41600:27:01,140 --> 00:27:01,710else41700:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,340then go, yes. Everybody elsegets tip.41800:27:08,670 --> 00:27:12,300That's right. It's time tippingcame to podcasting. That's41900:27:12,330 --> 00:27:12,750right.42000:27:13,380 --> 00:27:17,070That's, that's the only waytipping gets onto your tongue is42100:27:17,310 --> 00:27:20,940in a gag like that. I know. It'sit's fantastic. Now I love it.42200:27:20,970 --> 00:27:27,090And now we just do a spec spec.Yeah, there you go. Man. Jason's42300:27:27,090 --> 00:27:28,680got a couple of specs up hissleeve.42400:27:28,980 --> 00:27:33,240Well, Steven Be the man behindcurio caster says I'd sell out42500:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,650in a heartbeat for a millionbucks. All right, who else is42600:27:37,650 --> 00:27:40,710off? Hey, if you're all you'reall up for up good for me, but42700:27:40,770 --> 00:27:43,530but wait until we get that firstboard meeting, when they asked42800:27:43,530 --> 00:27:47,340you to bend over and shove yourshares up your butt, and then do42900:27:47,340 --> 00:27:51,360a down round and then diluteyou.43000:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,640I'd rather be I'd rather bebroke and own and own myself.43100:27:56,670 --> 00:27:59,340That's right, brother, rich andhave somebody else that43200:27:59,370 --> 00:28:06,570is right. That is right. And wegot to show 100 coming up, which43300:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,420we'd like everybody to remember.And we'd like everybody to43400:28:09,420 --> 00:28:13,410remember that we are not sellingout to Vc. However, it would be43500:28:13,410 --> 00:28:18,630nice to in this low Bitcoinvalue environment to be YouTube43600:28:18,990 --> 00:28:22,890up your savage if possible, sothat we can not dip into the43700:28:22,890 --> 00:28:24,660reserves for paying for thebills.43800:28:25,560 --> 00:28:31,770Yeah. And speaking of that, bythe way that I think I think43900:28:31,770 --> 00:28:35,400you're exactly right on the onthe word replacement thing. I44000:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800think the more I think aboutthat, I think that's that's44100:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,340probably right, because I see,we see it visually you see it44200:28:41,340 --> 00:28:44,430visually. This is somethingthat's been on my mind for a44300:28:44,430 --> 00:28:48,060while. Do you like at thispoint, about two or three years44400:28:48,060 --> 00:28:53,820ago, I noticed that peoplestarted doing this. I think44500:28:53,820 --> 00:28:58,140YouTube was the first place Isaw it where they started44600:28:58,140 --> 00:29:02,130changing people's colors. Solike when they would have their44700:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,520artwork in within within theYouTube platform. It would be44800:29:05,520 --> 00:29:12,180these big, like androgynouspeople that were like blue and44900:29:12,180 --> 00:29:14,850purple and green. I missed45000:29:14,850 --> 00:29:18,240this trend. Was this people thecreators doing this or YouTube45100:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,750doing this?45200:29:18,750 --> 00:29:21,570No is YouTube's promotionalgraphics like their branding and45300:29:21,570 --> 00:29:27,570stuff? Oh, creator, creator dayand it would be like, a bunch of45400:29:27,570 --> 00:29:31,860nondescript these are. They'reclearly meant to be humans.45500:29:31,890 --> 00:29:34,230Yeah. But they're purple andblue and45600:29:34,710 --> 00:29:38,520we can't have any reality. Realcolors.45700:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,990I mean, like it's every day,it's like this attempt to just45800:29:43,500 --> 00:29:49,620rid rid all its brand safetytaken to such an extreme that45900:29:49,620 --> 00:29:52,920they can't even acknowledgereality anymore, that they're46000:29:52,950 --> 00:29:56,580that there are it's like, we'reso afraid to offend somebody46100:29:56,580 --> 00:29:59,970that we don't even want to showwhat people really look like.46200:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520Yeah, and it's like the samething with language. We're so46300:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,040afraid to offend somebody, wedon't even want to use real46400:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,950words for people. Eventually,we're just gonna, you know, make46500:30:07,950 --> 00:30:10,710up whole new words for forpeople that just don't even46600:30:10,860 --> 00:30:12,360report to any reality.46700:30:12,630 --> 00:30:14,940I think we're well underway with46800:30:15,270 --> 00:30:17,340actually, I'm not sure what I'mtalking about.46900:30:17,730 --> 00:30:19,530I think that's kind ofhappening. Yeah.47000:30:20,700 --> 00:30:26,040The cat but I think you're rightwith cat, you know, cast upon47100:30:26,850 --> 00:30:30,840their they're getting intohosting they have you seen that?47200:30:30,870 --> 00:30:34,800No, no, no, no. Yeah. And thelast dev meeting, Benjamin47300:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,770Bellamy was telling, saying thatwas I was asking him about pod47400:30:37,770 --> 00:30:39,690ping. And he was saying how theyget they're getting into47500:30:39,690 --> 00:30:42,660hosting. Because that's justlike a natural thing. What47600:30:42,660 --> 00:30:47,520somebody runs their own casterpod instance. The next thing47700:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,920they want, you know, they gottahave a place to put their media.47800:30:49,950 --> 00:30:53,970Right, right. Wow. So they'reprepared to go into this47900:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,020nightmare of a business.Evidently. Wow. Evidently, I48000:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,810mean, I told Steve and be like,do you like your life? He says,48100:31:00,810 --> 00:31:06,030Yes. Don't become a hoster.Yeah, because it's not the48200:31:06,030 --> 00:31:10,110technical issues. It's thecustomer support issues. Yeah,48300:31:10,350 --> 00:31:14,040you're the first line you're thefirst call people make when it's48400:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,210not showing up on Apple.48500:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,790And where's my life pod ping inpod verse. This the other call48600:31:20,790 --> 00:31:21,150you get48700:31:21,150 --> 00:31:26,730so now Shep Oh, bah. I would sayBenjamin because that's that's a48800:31:26,730 --> 00:31:27,810tall order. All right.48900:31:28,590 --> 00:31:31,530I guess the reason I'mconnecting noses I think the the49000:31:31,530 --> 00:31:37,590ecosystem of decentralizedpodcasting is starting to like,49100:31:37,830 --> 00:31:42,990not only decentralize the theecosystem of of decently I'll49200:31:42,990 --> 00:31:50,010say this, the answer is theLibra ethos, libre ethos. Yes,49300:31:50,010 --> 00:31:54,720the ad the pure pure libre ethoswithin podcasting is beginning49400:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,530to take hold, so that people arebeginning to want to own not49500:32:01,530 --> 00:32:04,680just their brand, but theirinfrastructure is the thing that49600:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,290Todd Cochran has always talkedabout, you know, own your own49700:32:07,290 --> 00:32:10,980website. You own your domain,all that kind of stuff start49800:32:11,010 --> 00:32:13,080that's where you start. And thenyou branch out from there as49900:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,020he released the new media showwhere he's bitching about50000:32:16,050 --> 00:32:21,630Spotify because I listened tothat update. Yeah, Todd Cochran50100:32:21,630 --> 00:32:26,550mad at someone about RSS is justit's good listening. Good50200:32:26,550 --> 00:32:27,780listening entertainment.50300:32:28,170 --> 00:32:32,190And it? Oh, no, I don't want toI don't want to jump gears50400:32:32,190 --> 00:32:33,720before you're finished with your50500:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,380Well, no, no, that was it. So Ijust wanted to say50600:32:37,380 --> 00:32:40,680congratulations, look at whatyou've achieved. We're not even50700:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680at 100 episodes of this podcastand just turn around for a50800:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,950second everybody take a look.Take a look. Take look down at50900:32:46,950 --> 00:32:49,920the ground liquid with your ownshit that you've built. This is51000:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,040stuff to be proud of man and yougot guys out there saying you51100:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,590know, Billy a billionaire withreal money to back it up. Man51200:32:58,590 --> 00:33:01,440five years I really hope we canget this done. We're desperately51300:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,890trying to fund it. Look at whereyou are. Look at where you're51400:33:04,890 --> 00:33:05,910kicking their ass.51500:33:06,270 --> 00:33:08,580It's right here. Mark You canhave it for free. Yes,51600:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,780exactly. Just it'd be nice ifyou donate it but yeah, have it51700:33:12,780 --> 00:33:14,580for free build an app there's a51800:33:14,580 --> 00:33:19,800thought hit up the Pay Pal Yeah,we're all good. That's right so51900:33:19,800 --> 00:33:27,510no on the on the podcast LibraFriday. No agenda to Alex has52000:33:27,510 --> 00:33:28,200been wrong. He's52100:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,710kicking ass. I know. He's gotall kinds of stuff he's got now52200:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,500you can flip a switch and youcan get your email show up in52300:33:34,500 --> 00:33:39,300the RSS feeds you can claim itin curio caster. All right.52400:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,490Fountain and in the podcastwallet. Yep. Yeah, this52500:33:45,300 --> 00:33:52,800is so for people who don't know.No. Agenda tube is a is a I call52600:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,220it a fork. I mean, I don't Iguess it is a for kids.52700:33:56,250 --> 00:33:59,010If Alex, if Alex built it isprobably a fork.52800:33:59,610 --> 00:34:02,160Yeah, I think I think I thinkit's fair to call it a fork at52900:34:02,160 --> 00:34:10,050this point where he has a tookpeer tube and just and forked it53000:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,230and now he's been he's made alot of changes to it to support53100:34:13,230 --> 00:34:20,400podcasting 2.0 features. He runsit all himself on his own dime,53200:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,620the video hosting service, butelse but since it's part of peer53300:34:25,620 --> 00:34:29,340tube, it's got a lot of diff alot of cool capabilities like53400:34:30,090 --> 00:34:36,240webs, like like a peer to peerwas like a web torrent. Yeah,53500:34:36,270 --> 00:34:39,690yeah, web torrent. Yeah, webtorrent HLS. And, yeah, a lot of53600:34:39,690 --> 00:34:42,540that kind of stuff that makesbandwidth really53700:34:42,569 --> 00:34:45,029which is important. Important.People implement that if at all53800:34:45,029 --> 00:34:45,719possible.53900:34:46,169 --> 00:34:51,719Yeah. Steven bass. It is forkingawesome Yes. That's it. So so he54000:34:51,749 --> 00:34:55,499is he baking pot ping in there.10 bucks as us. Oh,54100:34:55,500 --> 00:34:59,940yeah, he'll do. For sure. But sohe's, here's some of the things54200:34:59,940 --> 00:35:05,340you He's done lately. Is XMPP inthe chat on live pay?54300:35:05,579 --> 00:35:08,879Let's talk about that for asecond. Okay. So that's54400:35:08,879 --> 00:35:13,469something that fits with allvalidity into the social54500:35:13,469 --> 00:35:15,629interact tag or is thisdifferent?54600:35:19,170 --> 00:35:24,150Not yet, it will. There's noreason it can't. But is that54700:35:24,150 --> 00:35:26,340even the point? Is it a little?Is it a little different?54800:35:26,340 --> 00:35:30,240Because it's, it's chat. So it'schat. Is that the same as54900:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,050comments?55000:35:31,950 --> 00:35:35,340No, it's it is the point. Yes.Well, I think I think he wants55100:35:35,340 --> 00:35:40,230to know, it's on the page first,but then you'll have then you'll55200:35:40,230 --> 00:35:43,590have it in social interact tagmay already be in the social55300:35:43,590 --> 00:35:47,280interaction, really. And I needto check that. Let's see. Here's55400:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,690his life cycle. See socialinteract.55500:35:51,870 --> 00:35:55,350There's got to live item in thefeed when he hits go live, it55600:35:55,350 --> 00:36:00,660flips to live item in the NA tworssb. That's actually55700:36:00,750 --> 00:36:04,260yes. That's the next thing thathe's added recently is live55800:36:04,260 --> 00:36:10,020items. So now you can you can golive on no Jonah, no agenda Tube55900:36:10,020 --> 00:36:14,280channel. And it'll put a liveitem in there.56000:36:15,630 --> 00:36:19,020On the show, yes. And no agenda.I know, I'm always I always have56100:36:19,020 --> 00:36:22,230a moment around the donationsegment where I plug podcasting56200:36:22,230 --> 00:36:24,3302.0. And it's often it's like,oh, you can see all these56300:36:24,330 --> 00:36:27,570images, Chapter images, butactually played some of this.56400:36:28,380 --> 00:36:31,500And I, and I'm sure I told himbefore, but I said, you know,56500:36:31,770 --> 00:36:35,670right now we're, we're live inall the podcast apps that that56600:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,550can do it. And I explained whatit was, he was like, Holy crap,56700:36:38,550 --> 00:36:42,780really? He was surprised when Isaid, Yeah, you get a ping and56800:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,240your podcast app, you click onit, open it up, you hear the56900:36:45,240 --> 00:36:49,170live stream, you got the chatright there. He's like, really?57000:36:49,470 --> 00:36:49,980So yeah,57100:36:50,820 --> 00:36:55,260that's this is pretty awesome.Like, for him57200:36:55,260 --> 00:36:57,840to say that that's a big, that'sa big deal. Actually, it's a big57300:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,950deal for him to say, that's57400:36:59,310 --> 00:37:03,270really, yeah, he's neverimpressed by anything. He's not.57500:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,280So I've done it all, no agendatube, and I cranked up the57600:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,210channel and did the and didlive. It works great. So the one57700:37:12,210 --> 00:37:17,940thing that was lacking, though,is, is support, you know, in the57800:37:17,940 --> 00:37:22,890index, we weren't, we weren'tconsuming live item. Tags,57900:37:22,950 --> 00:37:27,060right. And, you know, I shouldprobably go back again and say,58000:37:27,150 --> 00:37:33,360live items. So what a live itemis, is, if you're familiar with58100:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,560the way an RSS feed looks is youhave every episode is is called58200:37:38,460 --> 00:37:42,720sit syntax wise in an RSS feedis called an item. And so it's58300:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,660an item, and then all theinformation about the episode is58400:37:45,660 --> 00:37:49,350in the item. So we just createdin the podcast namespace, a58500:37:49,350 --> 00:37:56,310thing called Live item. And itlives in the RSS channel. So58600:37:56,310 --> 00:37:59,040it's appear, it's if you thinkabout it that way, it's like a58700:37:59,310 --> 00:38:03,390sibling of all the rest of theitems. But because it's prefixed58800:38:03,390 --> 00:38:07,260with a namespace, podcast, colonlive item, it can exist there58900:38:07,260 --> 00:38:14,280and not violate RSS. And theapps and platforms that ingest59000:38:14,310 --> 00:38:19,440the RSS feeds, they just don'teven they don't see it. So it59100:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,260doesn't mess anything up. Theyjust read the items because59200:38:22,260 --> 00:38:27,720they're there. If they're notingesting the namespace yet, or59300:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,600even if they are basically aslong as they're not as long as59400:38:30,780 --> 00:38:34,200they just do everything likethey always have the existence59500:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,020of another thing calledsomething else at the channel59600:38:37,020 --> 00:38:38,130level doesn't miss anything.59700:38:38,310 --> 00:38:39,870Well, it did with dog catcher.59800:38:40,829 --> 00:38:43,769I still see I still don't thinkthat I still think it's59900:38:43,769 --> 00:38:47,339something else. I don't think itwas purely the live item. Well,60000:38:47,339 --> 00:38:47,399I60100:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,340put the live out there put thelive out in back into no agenda60200:38:50,340 --> 00:38:51,660and it broke the app again.60300:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,790When did you do that?60400:38:54,270 --> 00:38:58,710So I got that report a week ago.And then I if you recall, and60500:38:58,710 --> 00:39:01,710then I took the live item out ofthe no agenda feed, then I got60600:39:01,710 --> 00:39:05,880reports back. Oh, it's workingagain. And then I put it back in60700:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,210for yesterday's show. And I getreports. Oh, it broke again,60800:39:09,210 --> 00:39:13,560same error. It's something withdog catcher. I'm not I'm not60900:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,220saying that. That. I thinkdidn't I think we went through61000:39:17,220 --> 00:39:20,400this. But the way we're doing itis valid. We got that we got61100:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,580validation that from the XMLgurus that this is okay. What61200:39:23,580 --> 00:39:26,760we're doing. Yeah, from BaxterYeah. But for some reason it's61300:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,780breaking dogcatcher. And I said,Yeah, I'm sorry. We just have to61400:39:30,780 --> 00:39:32,910break dogcatcher new podcastapp.com.61500:39:35,099 --> 00:39:36,479It's not like there's no otheroption.61600:39:37,260 --> 00:39:40,200Well, people, you know, apps arevery personal to people.61700:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,920Now, I am not I don't want tolike dismiss that. Because61800:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,530you're right, that they are verypersonal. But But this, but you61900:39:46,530 --> 00:39:48,750have to understand that I mean,this is an abandoned app.62000:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,140There's no there hasn't beendevelopment on it since 2012.62100:39:52,170 --> 00:39:56,010Yeah. Oh, really? I thought itwas 2018 2012 longer than I62200:39:56,010 --> 00:39:57,120realized. It. I62300:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,970think that if my understandingis right in 2012 was last time62400:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,860had an update, but who knows Icould be wrong. Anyway, so that62500:40:04,920 --> 00:40:12,720that's buggy parsers aside,this, this all works. Fine. And62600:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,180then dog catchers. The onlything we've seen this had a62700:40:15,180 --> 00:40:20,370hiccup. Yeah. Everything elsewas fine. So that's what we're62800:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560that's what we're talking about.That's what enables all this62900:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,170live stuff to happen? Well, thelive items have been in the63000:40:28,170 --> 00:40:31,290feeds. And it's part of thenamespace. It's official now,63100:40:31,530 --> 00:40:34,170they've been in the face for awhile, but it's not been in API.63200:40:34,170 --> 00:40:38,550So yes, yesterday, they before Iworked on putting support for63300:40:38,550 --> 00:40:40,170live item into the index.63400:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,880Now, how will that be used?63500:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,760Well, that's part of the what Iwant to talk about, I want I63600:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,820want to talk a little bit abouthere's, here's what I've done.63700:40:47,820 --> 00:40:52,560So far, I've added live itemssupport to party time, which is63800:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,910the the ingest or the parser. Soit's picking it up in the feed,63900:40:56,910 --> 00:41:01,410it's putting it into thedatabase. And I have currently64000:41:02,010 --> 00:41:08,280one endpoint that I just hastilymade just to expose it just so64100:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,150we can start playing with it.It's called slash API is an API64200:41:12,150 --> 00:41:15,600skull slash episodes slash live.So if you call that API64300:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,290endpoint, you're going to listget a list of all the current64400:41:19,290 --> 00:41:20,670live items. And it's64500:41:20,670 --> 00:41:25,740based upon a pod ping and acheck against the feed. Now all64600:41:25,740 --> 00:41:28,890we do is check against the feed.Because we don't we don't have64700:41:28,890 --> 00:41:32,760to do it any other way. True.Because every time we get a64800:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,100piping of any type, we alwaysreport.64900:41:35,880 --> 00:41:36,750Right, right. Right.65000:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,960So that's the that's the way itexists right now. So my question65100:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,750is, and then what I wanted todiscuss was, how should the API65200:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,970pay, like, give back thisinformation? What? How,65300:41:54,030 --> 00:41:56,490what is the expected end? Well,if you could have parameters,65400:41:56,490 --> 00:42:00,030you'd like to know, a timeframe.And the way I would, as a65500:42:00,030 --> 00:42:03,720developer, of course, is asdeveloper, here's what I haven't65600:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,160intensive that developers65700:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,390and app developer. If someoneyou know, it could be something65800:42:09,390 --> 00:42:12,810the app checks, you know, it wasjust a different way of of65900:42:12,810 --> 00:42:15,570getting the pod pinginformation, I guess, you fire66000:42:15,570 --> 00:42:20,580up the app here, the shows thatare alive, you know. So would it66100:42:20,580 --> 00:42:25,020make sense to say here's thedefault is here shows that have66200:42:25,020 --> 00:42:27,600gone live in the last 30minutes. And you can set it to66300:42:27,630 --> 00:42:32,880any, any timeframe back in time.Was that useless? Am I just66400:42:32,970 --> 00:42:34,860talking about of my developer?But66500:42:36,150 --> 00:42:39,840no, I mean, that the nature ofthe live items is once they're66600:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,720ended, that they're, they'reuseless. So they're really only66700:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,570so like, they don't become theydon't have a state they don't66800:42:48,570 --> 00:42:51,360have any staying power withinthe feed. They're meant to be66900:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,010ephemeral. So from thatstandpoint, I don't think a67000:42:56,010 --> 00:43:00,840historical live items have anyuse at all. But what you're67100:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,250saying about showing likeupcoming ones pending ones with67200:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,640you know, they're scheduled togo to certain time or ones that67300:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,270are current. That makes sense.Yeah, I just think I'm thinking67400:43:12,270 --> 00:43:18,510like curio caster shows. It haslike, now Stephens got like, was67500:43:18,510 --> 00:43:22,290a podcast and he's got music.You can choose back and forth. I67600:43:22,290 --> 00:43:25,140wonder if there's that sort ofthing. But for live like okay, I67700:43:25,140 --> 00:43:27,510want to see all the shows thatare currently live streaming67800:43:27,510 --> 00:43:28,230right now. There's67900:43:28,230 --> 00:43:30,810a good reason for something likethat. And I wanted to bring this68000:43:30,810 --> 00:43:36,750up if you don't mind. Yep. Thiswhat we're doing here. The lit68100:43:37,860 --> 00:43:43,800is incredibly cool fordiscovery. Because if you see68200:43:43,800 --> 00:43:49,290when I mean the power have neverreally observed this and, and a68300:43:49,290 --> 00:43:52,830great a great example is earlierthis week, I forget what day it68400:43:52,830 --> 00:43:59,400was. Maybe it was was it Sunday,all of a sudden, I see all over68500:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,060the place. I see there's aTwitter account, podcasting live68600:44:03,060 --> 00:44:09,330I think it is it's the same forMastodon to podcast, podcasting68700:44:09,330 --> 00:44:13,830live is that it account forpodcast live I think podcasts68800:44:13,830 --> 00:44:18,660live podcast live. So I seebehind the scheme's with threes68900:44:18,690 --> 00:44:22,140is live with Dave Jones. Yeah,it was Sunday after after no69000:44:22,140 --> 00:44:26,010agenda. Cuz I knew that you weregoing to be on but I kind of69100:44:26,010 --> 00:44:28,980forgotten about it. I see thispop up on my timeline. I'm like,69200:44:29,010 --> 00:44:33,330Oh, shoot. So I go into my app.Oh, I don't see it. Well, it's69300:44:33,330 --> 00:44:36,360because I'm not subscribed. I goto you know, I do a quick69400:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,140search. Bring it up. I listened.I boost a whole bunch of booster69500:44:40,140 --> 00:44:44,070grams to the show, which wasfun. Yeah, this is a better69600:44:44,070 --> 00:44:52,740guitar player. But I alsosubscribe to the show. Yeah, as69700:44:52,740 --> 00:44:57,690a discovery mechanism, it'sreally cool. It really is69800:44:57,690 --> 00:45:00,960exciting into you know, not notlot of people follow these69900:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,420accounts yet, but you know,whenever I see it, I retweet it70000:45:03,420 --> 00:45:06,750no matter what it is, this is athis is a real discovery70100:45:06,750 --> 00:45:11,670mechanism. And in fact, I think,you know, there's reasons for70200:45:11,670 --> 00:45:16,980all kinds of pod ping botaccounts. If you know what I70300:45:16,980 --> 00:45:21,300mean. why would why wouldn'tsomeone curate, you know, the70400:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,690top five tech shows and have abot that let you know when when70500:45:24,690 --> 00:45:27,330that when that tech show waseither updated with a new70600:45:27,330 --> 00:45:32,820podcast, or you know, or ifthey're live,70700:45:34,139 --> 00:45:39,779it reminds me of what we wereused to do with. With news70800:45:39,779 --> 00:45:42,779rivers where you would you wouldspawn a like a category, like a70900:45:42,779 --> 00:45:46,019news river that had a certaincategory of feeds in it. And you71000:45:46,019 --> 00:45:50,879say, Okay, this, it would haveits own, he would have his own71100:45:50,879 --> 00:45:53,309page and everything like that.And it would only show you items71200:45:53,309 --> 00:45:57,719from the OPML list that you'vebuilt for that thing is sort of71300:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,119the same way you have bots thatsay, Okay, here's all the tech71400:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,749shows that are going there. LiveStreaming, here's all the, you71500:46:03,749 --> 00:46:07,049know, garden shows that are surethat mean, or Dutch, here's all71600:46:07,049 --> 00:46:07,829the Dutch shows71700:46:07,860 --> 00:46:13,440infinitely expandable. If anyonecan tap into it, anyone could71800:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,620tap into it and writing an appthat does this guy's super71900:46:16,620 --> 00:46:17,190exciting.72000:46:17,579 --> 00:46:25,529I want more podcasters to dolive shows. Because for a couple72100:46:25,529 --> 00:46:30,659of reasons. Like it's not onceyou're comfortable. And I say72200:46:30,659 --> 00:46:33,059this as somebody who's only beenpodcasting for the last two72300:46:33,059 --> 00:46:33,479years,72400:46:33,509 --> 00:46:35,999you were really kind ofapprentice status still. But72500:46:35,999 --> 00:46:42,059okay. Mattawan mentee mentee,72600:46:42,570 --> 00:46:46,380one learner, we went in one day,I'll graduate and get my72700:46:47,219 --> 00:46:50,069when you can, when you cansnatch the pebbles from my hand,72800:46:50,069 --> 00:46:52,079it will be time for you to leaveDave Jones.72900:46:52,979 --> 00:46:58,529And so once you get kind of youknow, quote unquote comfortable73000:46:58,529 --> 00:47:02,369behind the mic, to where you'reyou're sort of used to doing73100:47:02,399 --> 00:47:06,509we're used to the process ofdoing it. Doing it live is not73200:47:06,509 --> 00:47:10,409that it's not that big of adeal. Like it really it really73300:47:10,409 --> 00:47:14,039has the but there was no bumpsin the road. It just felt73400:47:14,099 --> 00:47:15,689normal. Yeah, but73500:47:15,690 --> 00:47:19,560let me stop you right there.Okay, because of the lack in73600:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,870production tools. A majority ofpodcast does post production73700:47:24,870 --> 00:47:28,980post processing all of thisstuff after the fact, going full73800:47:28,980 --> 00:47:33,720on Live is not the same as doinga podcast and then tweaking it73900:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,890and editing it. And it's noteverybody can do that. Now you74000:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,460got the right schooling. I don'tknow from this, but someone74100:47:41,460 --> 00:47:44,610taught you the right way rightoff the bat that somebody did.74200:47:44,700 --> 00:47:49,320And I must say I'm, I'm stillvery excited about my, my road74300:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,160caster, version two, whichapparently is coming any day74400:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,410now. And then I can endorse adevice that that actually works74500:47:58,410 --> 00:48:02,700for live production. So well,but I'm just saying it's not74600:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,510appropriate for every show to dolive, nor do most people have74700:48:06,510 --> 00:48:08,910the production skills to dothat.74800:48:09,389 --> 00:48:13,169Now it's abs, this is anabsolutely idiotic thing for me74900:48:13,169 --> 00:48:20,099to say, to somehow disagree withyou about about the streaming75000:48:20,099 --> 00:48:23,129media. I mean, it's as absurd. Imean, I might as well just jump75100:48:23,129 --> 00:48:28,979off a cliff, but go ahead. I'mgonna do it anyway. Here's the75200:48:28,979 --> 00:48:33,179thing, it's like, you can still,when you finish, you can still75300:48:33,179 --> 00:48:37,949post produce, and put out thepolished one. But there's an75400:48:38,009 --> 00:48:44,459there's a, there's a unique,like, even if you're going to75500:48:44,459 --> 00:48:46,949Maven, or for messing up a bunchof starting and stopping and75600:48:46,949 --> 00:48:51,179that kind of thing. That's stillvaluable to hear it live because75700:48:51,179 --> 00:48:54,629you build a sort of likequirkiness with your audience75800:48:54,629 --> 00:48:58,049who's committed to your thing.And they're not going to they're75900:48:58,049 --> 00:49:00,569not going to be, you know,you're gonna have, you're gonna76000:49:00,569 --> 00:49:03,959have a committed core of peoplethat listen to you, that want to76100:49:03,959 --> 00:49:08,849hear you, whether you mess up ornot, and whether whether it's76200:49:08,879 --> 00:49:12,569whether the whole thing goessideways. And this like I mean,76300:49:12,569 --> 00:49:17,489it's like when you mess up,there's a there's a quirkiness76400:49:17,489 --> 00:49:22,439and an attractiveness to that,too. So I think that, like if76500:49:22,439 --> 00:49:28,229people tried it live, thatmight, like you said, it helps76600:49:28,229 --> 00:49:30,959them with discovery, becausethey're going to be one of the76700:49:30,959 --> 00:49:35,219few shows that actually does alive stream. And then they're76800:49:35,219 --> 00:49:37,829still they can still postproduce and cleaned it up and76900:49:37,829 --> 00:49:40,919put out the Polish later. Butthey stick but they get the77000:49:40,919 --> 00:49:46,019benefits of of the unique liveexperience. Of course,77100:49:46,050 --> 00:49:48,900and I'm not going to disagreewith you on that, but it's not77200:49:48,930 --> 00:49:54,480it's not appropriate for everyshow. Gotcha. Jen Briony per77300:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,110show was edited. She has clips,you know, for people playing77400:49:58,110 --> 00:50:01,350clips on the fly. It's just anThat's something a lot of people77500:50:01,350 --> 00:50:05,880are trained to do. And I knowthis, I mean, this part, I know77600:50:05,940 --> 00:50:11,100a lot of people just don't do itthat way. Now, there's a huge77700:50:12,030 --> 00:50:15,600non podcasting streamingaudience, it's called YouTube, I77800:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,740think this is the genius, youbring these people over, teach77900:50:19,740 --> 00:50:23,520them how to package it up. Andyou know, because it's really78000:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,850this, for them, it's like I flipit on YouTube does the rest,78100:50:26,850 --> 00:50:29,310well, it's not going to beexactly like that with a podcast78200:50:29,310 --> 00:50:33,330host because you're gonna haveto, you know, still bake the mp378300:50:33,330 --> 00:50:35,580and upload it and do all thatstuff. So that, you know,78400:50:35,580 --> 00:50:38,460there's some hurdles, which ofcourse, could be shortened. But,78500:50:38,490 --> 00:50:42,450but if that's the audience thatI think, will understand this,78600:50:42,450 --> 00:50:46,920inherently, it will be veryhappy with it. podcasters I78700:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,270think they can, you know, thepower of, of pod ping can be78800:50:51,270 --> 00:50:54,570harnessed in many ways for thisfor the discovery that we're78900:50:54,570 --> 00:50:58,380talking about, you know, when,when, when Dave Winer kind of79000:50:58,380 --> 00:51:01,230checked out a blog of blogging,I didn't, he didn't really check79100:51:01,230 --> 00:51:05,700out but he had web blogs.com andweb blogs.com All it did was it79200:51:05,700 --> 00:51:09,870shows you the most recentlyupdated web blog, and it was79300:51:09,870 --> 00:51:12,660pretty cool. He just sat thereand it was like the like the pod79400:51:12,660 --> 00:51:16,770ping Dot Watch. He just sit downyou watch stuff update in real79500:51:16,770 --> 00:51:19,530time, and you can click on itand read a post or whatever. So79600:51:19,530 --> 00:51:22,410it's really an aggregate in thatcase was an aggregator but I79700:51:22,410 --> 00:51:26,460think he was using XML RPC ifI'm not mistaken to know to79800:51:26,460 --> 00:51:31,110create a version of pod ping oractivity pub whatever you want79900:51:31,140 --> 00:51:38,460to use. And he sold that for $2million. So if anyone wants an80000:51:38,460 --> 00:51:42,480idea um if anyone wants an ideayou know something like that80100:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,930where maybe you can filteryourself I mean like you said,80200:51:45,930 --> 00:51:49,290you know, certain languagepodcasts filter them out have80300:51:49,290 --> 00:51:55,380that be your your your updatepage or your bot these are great80400:51:55,380 --> 00:51:56,040things80500:51:57,180 --> 00:52:00,780Yeah, I guess no you know you'rejust want to see people be less80600:52:00,780 --> 00:52:05,430afraid of messing up you knowand like the I just want to see80700:52:05,430 --> 00:52:11,040people run with scissors moreand be less less afraid of you80800:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,580know I don't know for80900:52:14,579 --> 00:52:17,549you know, aspiration if you tellyoung people to go ahead and81000:52:17,549 --> 00:52:19,979mess it up before you know whatthey got a broken femur and81100:52:19,979 --> 00:52:21,389they're sleeping on your couch81200:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,689I've already got one of thosethat need even more than81300:52:27,510 --> 00:52:32,190a little bit I've advocated forfor live production not not even81400:52:32,190 --> 00:52:35,970live streaming with live life totake forever to it's the way to81500:52:35,970 --> 00:52:40,980go. We haven't really had goodtools for that or good education81600:52:40,980 --> 00:52:41,670or etc.81700:52:43,200 --> 00:52:49,980I've always been it's been on mymind because I did so I did what81800:52:49,980 --> 00:52:56,310was it bowls with buds and ourbowl after bowl and and then did81900:52:56,310 --> 00:52:58,650behind the schemes last week? Alittle82000:52:58,650 --> 00:52:59,550overexposed82100:52:59,670 --> 00:53:06,090Dave a lover's have gone forHarvey wants to but the the82200:53:06,090 --> 00:53:08,910whole like I've been gettingI've done some of these live82300:53:08,910 --> 00:53:13,410shows. And I see that there'sjust like a looseness to them82400:53:13,410 --> 00:53:16,950where people don't mind you andmaking mistakes and now these82500:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,980you know this shows that havebeen all I mean, in that I've82600:53:19,980 --> 00:53:24,420done some shows that are alsojust taped and out under the82700:53:24,420 --> 00:53:29,610last shows share the fun to themwhere it's this people aren't82800:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,150you know, it's not so stuffy itjust has this like this energy.82900:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,080I'm really That's why all myshows are live to tape.83000:53:37,710 --> 00:53:41,190Yeah, it really doesn't make adifference. It doesn't make a83100:53:41,190 --> 00:53:41,610difference.83200:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,310Let me read out any if we can dolet me read out a couple of83300:53:44,430 --> 00:53:49,620boosts we've been gettingbooster grams since we took the83400:53:49,620 --> 00:53:52,080show lit this morning or thisafternoon. Well worth83500:53:52,110 --> 00:53:59,430mentioning. Pay tar 250,000 SATsHoly crap. He says upping my83600:53:59,430 --> 00:54:03,060Satish to really appreciateYeah.83700:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,610Okay, that's that's is that a83800:54:05,610 --> 00:54:07,680big ball? Are you seeing theboost for today? Well, we're83900:54:07,680 --> 00:54:13,620gonna get 20 blades on the hemball out just in case.84000:54:14,670 --> 00:54:19,590That is big baller. Yes. Oh, no,no, no. It's actually not. It's84100:54:19,590 --> 00:54:23,820not. Nope, it's not big baller.That's a tease.84200:54:24,570 --> 00:54:28,170Blueberry 10,000 SATsnondescript and inoffensive84300:54:28,170 --> 00:54:33,870boost Thank you. floydian slipssays I'm broken. I own myself84400:54:33,870 --> 00:54:38,040bitch with 5200 SATs. Yeah,that's the podcasting. 2.0 thing84500:54:38,070 --> 00:54:44,790thought pattern. Jake from thesleek podcasts 3326 V four v84600:54:44,790 --> 00:54:49,710music. We should talk aboutthat. Brando cellars 5000 sat84700:54:49,710 --> 00:54:52,980boost Thank you row of ducksfrom Tim the artists formerly84800:54:52,980 --> 00:54:56,580known as mixer happy Fridays.Happy Friday, fellas. Hope you84900:54:56,580 --> 00:55:03,810have a great weekend. Thank youvery much. And let's see if we85000:55:03,810 --> 00:55:09,360had some pre pre live boosts Ithink you'll have those in your85100:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,270in your run at this one youprobably don't have 10,000 from85200:55:12,270 --> 00:55:15,060Macintosh Dave and Adam Thanksfor always thanks as always for85300:55:15,060 --> 00:55:18,270everything you do Adam thisboost is for my needing to shut85400:55:18,270 --> 00:55:21,780down my voltage notes sorryagain about that. Oh, can I get85500:55:21,780 --> 00:55:24,420a little love for my podcastgenerational wealth with85600:55:24,420 --> 00:55:28,830cryptocurrency that love given?I just posted episode 55 Last85700:55:28,830 --> 00:55:32,940night trying to get the SATflywheel turning go podcasting?85800:55:32,940 --> 00:55:38,790Yes he he's setting up his ownnode I think he couldn't justify85900:55:38,790 --> 00:55:42,930the expense of a voltage node.So absolutely. Thank you very86000:55:42,930 --> 00:55:47,760much. So those are just the liveboosts?86100:55:48,150 --> 00:55:52,500Yeah, my voltage did the billingon voltage change because I got86200:55:52,500 --> 00:55:57,000a I got an email saying that mycredits were running low and I86300:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,240needed to re credit fill it.Yes. Redis86400:56:00,689 --> 00:56:03,629what credits what kind of whatkind of casino is gray and86500:56:03,629 --> 00:56:05,939running over their credit? I86600:56:05,940 --> 00:56:11,370don't know. Because I got amatch run up. Personally. Oh my86700:56:11,370 --> 00:56:18,540god damn, I run a 1299 a month.Light No. Right. And then then86800:56:18,540 --> 00:56:20,670as you did always just bills atthe beginning of the month.86900:56:20,670 --> 00:56:23,6101299. And then I get this thingsaying you're running low on87000:56:23,610 --> 00:56:26,580credits your you need to refillyour credit. They will be auto87100:56:26,580 --> 00:56:31,860refilled and then being itpaying me for 20 bucks. Oh, man,87200:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,170I need to check with with Grantsounds87300:56:34,170 --> 00:56:36,570like sounds like inflation tome.87400:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,720Mega inflation87500:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,450seems seems to be the thingthese days. Yeah. No, I I think87600:56:45,450 --> 00:56:49,050we paid what I know. We paid forthe podcast index note upfront.87700:56:51,810 --> 00:56:53,310Yeah, we do that annually. Yeah.87800:56:53,339 --> 00:56:57,149Yeah. And and I have a lightnote there for Moe facts, which87900:56:57,299 --> 00:57:00,419I guess it's still okay, I gottacheck it. And that's kind of the88000:57:00,419 --> 00:57:02,939good thing is and I have to lookat that one too much. In fact,88100:57:03,389 --> 00:57:07,679the notes had been pretty goodso far. I mean, knock on wood.88200:57:08,099 --> 00:57:12,029What am I doing? Inviting? Theman? No, so stupid.88300:57:12,900 --> 00:57:20,340Thanks a lot wrong. I'll bedoing this weekend. Okay, we got88400:57:20,700 --> 00:57:28,230the so medium tag, no agenda?No. Agenda two. He also put that88500:57:28,230 --> 00:57:32,250in there. We put in the mediumtech. So the medium tech cool.88600:57:32,279 --> 00:57:35,459So it would show up under video,I guess. Yeah. So88700:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,610killing Ed. That That one is asa medium tag of film. Oh, cool.88800:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,630Yeah, and there's a there's a soI'll put that up put also this88900:57:45,630 --> 00:57:48,750week support for the medium taginto the index officially now.89000:57:50,130 --> 00:57:54,450It's being ingested through theaggregator. And also, there's89100:57:54,450 --> 00:57:58,410once again, the same way withlike with live item. There's one89200:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,270endpoint is podcast slash buymedium, as the only important89300:58:03,270 --> 00:58:05,460you give it the medium, it'llgive you back all the podcasts89400:58:05,460 --> 00:58:10,350that have that medium. Now. Andthen here, here. Again, this is89500:58:10,350 --> 00:58:12,930another thing that I think wejust need feedback on from89600:58:12,930 --> 00:58:22,050everybody in the boardroom as towhat? Like how best to structure89700:58:22,050 --> 00:58:26,610this within the API, because theway you know the way you consume89800:58:26,610 --> 00:58:31,740music, and the way you want tofind music podcasts, that may89900:58:31,740 --> 00:58:35,820not be the same as it, it maynot operate just like a a90000:58:35,820 --> 00:58:43,380podcast app. Yeah. So like, ifyou just say, because here's I90100:58:43,380 --> 00:58:50,160can think of it this way. Here'sone possibility. You replicate90200:58:50,220 --> 00:58:56,460all of So currently, the API islike podcasts slash by Feed URL.90300:58:56,490 --> 00:59:01,080So you can look up a podcast byits URL, right, or podcast slash90400:59:01,110 --> 00:59:05,670by iTunes ID. And you can lookit up by that, well, you could90500:59:05,670 --> 00:59:09,240just forklift all that over andsay now we have a whole new set90600:59:09,240 --> 00:59:14,190of endpoints called Music byFeed URL, music by ID low90700:59:14,190 --> 00:59:16,350whatever. Or one way to do it,90800:59:16,349 --> 00:59:21,059or just set a parameter music,medium tag equals music and then90900:59:21,059 --> 00:59:23,069perform the rest of the APIfunctions.91000:59:23,460 --> 00:59:25,680That's another way yeah, youjust tack them on to the other91100:59:25,680 --> 00:59:33,240stuff. Or a third option is noneof the above and, and really the91200:59:33,240 --> 00:59:40,800best way to consume for an appto find these music. These music91300:59:40,830 --> 00:59:45,240entities is some other way thatdoesn't even fit either one of91400:59:45,240 --> 00:59:51,150those, which is also possiblelike images. What I would love91500:59:51,150 --> 00:59:57,450is for a music app to say, hey,here's what I want. I want if I91600:59:57,450 --> 01:00:01,980was going to pull data from theindex Here's the way I would91701:00:01,980 --> 01:00:06,840want to do it. And then we buildit to meet that need. Because91801:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,330that's essentially what we didfor the podcast apps.91901:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,620Well, this is where I believediscovery is important. Whereas92001:00:13,620 --> 01:00:16,860I don't think it works forpodcast, I think music discovery92101:00:16,890 --> 01:00:21,330and just being able to click onstuff and, and get92201:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,430recommendations, which would notbe our job, the indexes job. But92301:00:26,430 --> 01:00:28,590for that kind of, I think, Ithink it's significantly92401:00:28,590 --> 01:00:31,110different. And maybe there'ssome some stuff the index should92501:00:31,290 --> 01:00:36,420be feeding back. I don't know.Yet I'm just but I am music app92601:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,390has to be driven, kind of aroundtwo things, your collection of92701:00:42,390 --> 01:00:46,560stuff that you really like thatyou want to access, again, your92801:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,990favorites, or whatever you wantto call them. And discovery. I92901:00:48,990 --> 01:00:51,360mean, this is where discover,and maybe we'll learn something93001:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760in that process that helps forpodcasting. Actually,93101:00:55,079 --> 01:01:00,269if you look at a lot of podcastapps like overcast, cast,93201:01:00,269 --> 01:01:03,629ematic, things like that, whatyou see is they already have93301:01:03,629 --> 01:01:08,039playlist features in there. Andyou could be me, you can just93401:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,769imagine that those playlists arejust music playlists instead of93501:01:10,769 --> 01:01:11,729podcast playlists.93601:01:12,180 --> 01:01:15,420Well remember, my my dream is Iwant to play music on my93701:01:15,420 --> 01:01:20,220podcast. And I want to not onlybe able to pay the artist, a93801:01:20,220 --> 01:01:23,730split, as someone who'slistening to their song by93901:01:23,730 --> 01:01:27,240timecode in my podcast, butalso, why wouldn't she be able94001:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,170to immediately access that feedof from that album that that94101:01:31,170 --> 01:01:35,760track is on? Right? Yeah. Sothere's a log,94201:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,490it's a chapter link or somethinglike that. Just kick over to the94301:01:38,730 --> 01:01:42,900as an example, as an example.Sure. Or even slicker? I don't94401:01:42,900 --> 01:01:47,790know. You know, add a button,add this song to my playlist.94501:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,530Yeah, I mean, there's there'sdifferent all kinds of different94601:01:52,530 --> 01:01:58,290mediums. There's music, film,video audio book. So I mean, any94701:01:58,290 --> 01:02:04,350one of those could have its soit can have its own structure of94801:02:04,350 --> 01:02:07,290the way that it needs to be,even though they are all very94901:02:07,290 --> 01:02:07,950similar.95001:02:08,970 --> 01:02:12,000I mean, what do you use for yourmusic? Me?95101:02:14,010 --> 01:02:14,850Okay, Spotify.95201:02:15,060 --> 01:02:18,570So does it function the way youwould you'd like it to to you is95301:02:18,570 --> 01:02:21,480I mean that, then take thatmodel and say this is this is95401:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,940the stuff that I use it for?Aren't we are building stuff for95501:02:26,940 --> 01:02:29,520ourselves? We're not buildingfor anybody else.95601:02:30,389 --> 01:02:35,099I have the, you know, I have themusic app. And I can see it in95701:02:35,099 --> 01:02:43,739my head. But I guess what do yousay? I mean, do you think music95801:02:43,919 --> 01:02:51,689apps? Or only say, say this? Doyou think podcast apps would95901:02:51,689 --> 01:02:59,789want to implement a Music Mode?I think they would just want us96001:02:59,789 --> 01:03:02,699try to shoehorn it into theexisting user interface.96101:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,150Well, the question is, will theywant to do music at all? That's96201:03:09,150 --> 01:03:12,000the first question. And then Iwould say no, it doesn't make96301:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,140sense to shoehorn it into apodcast interface. There's some96401:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,890differences. I don't know whatthey are, I'm still waiting for96501:03:20,130 --> 01:03:22,950a big new difference in thepodcast apps, although we've96601:03:22,950 --> 01:03:29,130seen some very nice examples.With every app is unique and has96701:03:29,130 --> 01:03:33,600unique features that that areuser experience oriented, not96801:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,200just technical or features, butreally, how it functions, how it96901:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,830works, how you use it. Andeveryone's idea is different. So97001:03:42,060 --> 01:03:46,830I think the music listeningexperience and the collecting of97101:03:46,830 --> 01:03:50,040music experience, and thesharing of music experience is97201:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,140different from podcast. So itwould warrant some change in the97301:03:55,140 --> 01:04:00,030existing app. Or, you know,like, curio casts or out hears97401:04:00,030 --> 01:04:04,530music, okay, it's clear to me.Now, it still kind of works the97501:04:04,530 --> 01:04:08,280same. But at least I know whatI'm what I'm okay. It's music. I97601:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,550got it. It's not podcast ismusic. Right? Even though I97701:04:11,550 --> 01:04:14,280could find them to podcastsearch? I could find them too.97801:04:15,870 --> 01:04:18,030That makes sense. So I don'tthink I can answer your question97901:04:19,380 --> 01:04:22,200as to what people want from theAPI, because it seems like it's98001:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,340just all the same.98101:04:26,070 --> 01:04:30,600Yeah, yeah. I think we'll figureit out as we go. And I98201:04:30,600 --> 01:04:35,280think all all musicians who putmusic on podcast and 2.0 should98301:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,030do them live.98401:04:38,489 --> 01:04:39,929I think that's probably notgonna happen.98501:04:39,929 --> 01:04:44,339Every song should be live.Because you know, Dave likes it.98601:04:44,339 --> 01:04:47,309It doesn't matter if you messup. Just stop. Pick the song up,98701:04:47,309 --> 01:04:50,189start over again. You know, keepgoing.98801:04:51,030 --> 01:04:54,780Don't you want to hear DaveJackson do? Don't you wanna hear98901:04:54,780 --> 01:04:59,550him? Jam live. Great podcast.good guitar player.99001:04:59,580 --> 01:05:00,450You get my point.99101:05:02,129 --> 01:05:06,719I do get your point. The that'swhat it says what I get for deaf99201:05:06,719 --> 01:05:08,579or daring. Derek99301:05:08,579 --> 01:05:13,289Jarrett? Well, no, no, no. So Ithink we have most of the pieces99401:05:13,289 --> 01:05:18,629there right now. I'm not quitesure what happened. We were hot99501:05:18,629 --> 01:05:23,339and heavy and discussion. We hadSam means was in any anything99601:05:23,339 --> 01:05:27,179come back from any of thosepeople we? Has anybody looked at99701:05:28,619 --> 01:05:30,539any deeper at the RSS feed?99801:05:31,290 --> 01:05:36,000Yeah. Like Michael. Michael Rayfrom wave Lake. Okay. Yeah,99901:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,520he's, he's on the index now. Andpeople Yeah, people are100001:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,720definitely looking at it. Theseare people that are new to100101:05:43,170 --> 01:05:46,020what's going on here. Okay. Andthey100201:05:46,230 --> 01:05:48,870can take it can take a minute ortwo to get your footing.100301:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,800Yeah. And so I think I thinkeverybody's just sort of going100401:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,460through now trying to sort ofdigest what is going on and get,100501:05:56,700 --> 01:06:01,800get their feet wet. In, in sortof see because it means it's100601:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,720brand new, really, even thoughmusic podcasting has been has100701:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,210been around. I mean, everybody,clearly people have done it100801:06:09,210 --> 01:06:14,310before, on a limited basis. Butnow it's sort of like, okay,100901:06:14,310 --> 01:06:17,820let's get serious about thisthing. Let's create, let's try101001:06:17,820 --> 01:06:22,620to create infrastructure thatwill actually enable music101101:06:22,650 --> 01:06:28,170podcasting to be a truealternative to record level101201:06:28,170 --> 01:06:31,470podcasting, or whatever youwould want to call that. And I101301:06:31,470 --> 01:06:35,700think in order to do that, thatrequires people to be careful.101401:06:35,940 --> 01:06:41,160And do it and build it. Buildits, you know, Bill, build it101501:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,800with intentionality. So I thinkthat that's really what's going101601:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,480on right now is people aretrying to figure out okay, what101701:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,450does this mean? And how do I,how do I take advantage of it in101801:06:48,450 --> 01:06:51,210a way that makes sense? questionthat I did.101901:06:51,900 --> 01:06:56,880Ice Cube soup in the chat askedthe question. Okay. Why why why102001:06:57,030 --> 01:07:01,170are we slowly building via agradual inevitable accumulation,102101:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,620a dependency on the centralsingle point of failure isn't102201:07:04,650 --> 01:07:08,430avoiding this the entire pointof the podcast and 2.0102301:07:08,430 --> 01:07:09,150initiative?102401:07:10,140 --> 01:07:12,510What is the single point offailure? The API?102501:07:12,929 --> 01:07:17,369I guess? I'm not sure. I'm notsure.102601:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,630Well, I mean, if if the singlepoint of failure is that he's102701:07:21,630 --> 01:07:26,280talking about is the is the API,then that's there's not a single102801:07:26,280 --> 01:07:31,080point of failure. Because we, Imean, all the API does is102901:07:31,080 --> 01:07:36,000aggregate all the feeds. Thefeed the this data lives in the103001:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,680feed, it doesn't live. The itonly lives in the API, because103101:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,610it first lived in the feed.Right? So you can you can go103201:07:44,610 --> 01:07:51,300out, grab our database, pull inthat, okay. says yes, the API103301:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,790and the fact that the index isthe only place to use it? Well,103401:07:53,790 --> 01:07:56,970it's the only place to use itnow. Yeah, when somebody has to103501:07:56,970 --> 01:07:58,080build the first thing,103601:07:58,139 --> 01:08:02,129here's an idea Ice Cube soup,grab a copy set up a set up103701:08:02,129 --> 01:08:03,689another instance of it.103801:08:04,829 --> 01:08:10,379It's only it only has to bebuilt somewhere so we can figure103901:08:10,379 --> 01:08:13,319out and work out all the bugs.And we're in figuring out how104001:08:13,319 --> 01:08:19,349the thing works. Then, I fullyexpected that other directories104101:08:19,740 --> 01:08:22,200was in five years, MarcAndreessen will have given104201:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,290somebody a couple 100 milliondollars to take it to take your104301:08:25,290 --> 01:08:28,770code Dave and and, and have nosuccess.104401:08:29,190 --> 01:08:30,840Yeah, that's the Silicon ValleyWay.104501:08:30,870 --> 01:08:34,740Yeah, you do all the work, youget nothing. We take money we104601:08:34,740 --> 01:08:35,010give you104701:08:35,820 --> 01:08:39,660know, that's, that's the I mean,this is just this as well.104801:08:39,960 --> 01:08:45,600And to be fair about it, I mean,I My feeling is the backup to104901:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,890that is hive, it's pod ping, youknow, yeah, there's, there's105001:08:49,890 --> 01:08:52,500things about pod ping that orabout hive itself that you can105101:08:52,500 --> 01:08:54,990discuss, but doesn't reallymatter. There's a universal105201:08:54,990 --> 01:08:58,830messaging bus for all podcasts.You can build a podcast app,105301:08:59,010 --> 01:09:06,060just using pod ping. Just usingpod ping. Yeah, I mean, like,105401:09:07,110 --> 01:09:10,530and that's truly distributed hasall the information, everything105501:09:10,530 --> 01:09:14,520you need to know it's rightthere. Build your own API.105601:09:15,870 --> 01:09:22,470Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,well, we're building the API105701:09:22,470 --> 01:09:23,250exists.105801:09:23,789 --> 01:09:26,969Oh, no, no, no, no. Ice Cubesoup wants a Docker image that105901:09:26,969 --> 01:09:29,819it just loads up and everythingworks. Yeah, I don't think so.106001:09:30,690 --> 01:09:36,900I mean, God, I've got a job. Theday job and kids man I get I get106101:09:36,930 --> 01:09:38,460I get time for that. But even106201:09:38,460 --> 01:09:41,370then it's like day that's goingto be very limited. I mean,106301:09:41,370 --> 01:09:44,400that's a huge project to dothat. Yeah. Well,106401:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,140I mean, one day, one day it'll,106501:09:47,009 --> 01:09:50,459you'll put 30 aggregators andall this stuff into one big106601:09:50,459 --> 01:09:53,069Docker image. It would just makeit a Linux distro.106701:09:53,550 --> 01:10:02,250We we run 20 We run 22 servers.Yeah. That the Um, now, I think106801:10:02,250 --> 01:10:04,530that there's two differentthings happening here. There's106901:10:07,050 --> 01:10:09,750there's the index, it will thishas always been the way it is.107001:10:09,900 --> 01:10:12,090There's the index. And thenthere's the podcasting. 2.0107101:10:12,210 --> 01:10:15,900project, podcasting 2.0. We'rebuilding protocols and forms and107201:10:15,900 --> 01:10:21,000formats and standards, thatthat's the thing that everybody107301:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,320can use. You don't need us theindex exist, for one reason,107401:10:25,680 --> 01:10:34,710excuse me. Two reasons. Itexists number one, to give app107501:10:34,830 --> 01:10:39,270podcast apps a place to hookinto to get all their data from107601:10:39,390 --> 01:10:42,450so they don't have to run theirown infrastructure so they can107701:10:42,480 --> 01:10:47,460bootstrap and not have to pay afortune. Exactly. We we help107801:10:47,460 --> 01:10:51,480kickstart podcast apps, they canout and they're very free to107901:10:51,480 --> 01:10:53,160outgrow us in the future if theywant to.108001:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,390And ice cube we do have a linkto a copy of the database every108101:10:57,390 --> 01:11:00,420week. It's updated. Yeah, yes.So108201:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,540yes, that point should be alink. Yeah. A link to the108301:11:03,570 --> 01:11:06,150database is on is on the bottomof the homepage.108401:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,370Step step two, step two, foronly about $100,000 in108501:11:11,370 --> 01:11:13,500donations, Dave could do thisfull time.108601:11:14,610 --> 01:11:18,390Yeah, that's, that's a smallerarea. How about me? How108701:11:18,390 --> 01:11:22,830about this? How about I callmark? And say, give me $100108801:11:22,830 --> 01:11:27,810million? We got a we got a wholething to do here. Yeah, I'm just108901:11:27,810 --> 01:11:29,850a little. I'm just a littleirked by this.109001:11:31,230 --> 01:11:34,590But but the other reason it's,it's helping podcast at109101:11:34,590 --> 01:11:38,940bootstrap for free. And then thesecond reason is to be is to be109201:11:38,940 --> 01:11:44,310scissors, and have a place wherethese new things can be explored109301:11:44,670 --> 01:11:49,320and was safely outside ofcommittee. Yeah, exactly. We109401:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,920build it. And then every look,look at all the people that are109501:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,710using chapters and transcriptsand all that kind of stuff now109601:11:55,710 --> 01:12:00,180and ingesting them. They allevery one of those features109701:12:00,420 --> 01:12:04,350started with just the indexsupporting them. Now, lots of109801:12:04,350 --> 01:12:07,830platforms are supporting them.It radiates out. It'll it'll fix109901:12:07,830 --> 01:12:08,190itself.110001:12:08,220 --> 01:12:10,920Yeah, it'll take a while. Italways110101:12:11,730 --> 01:12:15,000at one point in time, LinusTorvalds. was the only person110201:12:15,000 --> 01:12:15,660running Linux.110301:12:15,690 --> 01:12:19,710Yeah. And then once you let itgo, what happened?110401:12:21,480 --> 01:12:25,050It it blossomed into a baby.110501:12:25,860 --> 01:12:32,820Oh, is that what happened? Okay.Yeah, I mean that so that? Yes,110601:12:32,850 --> 01:12:36,000that is the point. And maybemaybe we just stop here right110701:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,510now. And just let's let's thankthe people who have supported110801:12:39,510 --> 01:12:40,230the project.110901:12:41,400 --> 01:12:42,450Oh, that foreign Yeah.111001:12:43,980 --> 01:12:46,830Our 12 into the show without aguest that just you and me111101:12:46,830 --> 01:12:48,270talking about trucks and stuff.111201:12:51,210 --> 01:12:55,710It's Thomas flying by a call memidday eating a cherry.111301:12:55,740 --> 01:13:01,560Now that's okay. How cute he'seating a cherry. This is for111401:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,350those of you who are new. Thisis a value for value Open111501:13:04,350 --> 01:13:08,100Project, which means anybody canaccess it. Anybody can join,111601:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,310anybody can have an opinion.Everybody can contribute. You111701:13:11,310 --> 01:13:15,660can you can use I think all thecode or a lot of most of it is111801:13:15,660 --> 01:13:19,110open source. Our stuff certainlyis mostly and other apps. And111901:13:19,110 --> 01:13:22,290it's a great community. Ifyou're if you're listening to112001:13:22,290 --> 01:13:25,050the show, you're not on podcast,index dot social, you might want112101:13:25,050 --> 01:13:29,610to follow Adam or Dave there. Orif you want to have an account,112201:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,870send us an email. And we'llwe'll send you an invite, so you112301:13:33,870 --> 01:13:38,760can hop right in. You just heardwe've got servers, we've got112401:13:39,540 --> 01:13:43,380infrastructure that we'remaintaining. And we need as much112501:13:43,380 --> 01:13:47,400help as possible to maintainthat we got liquidity on our112601:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,610node. We're Bootstrap. You're soright. We're bootstrapping112701:13:50,910 --> 01:13:53,970podcast app developers. We'rebootstrapping value for value.112801:13:53,970 --> 01:13:58,290podcasters. And we're really, Ithink, I think the track is112901:13:58,290 --> 01:14:01,410right here. You know, I'm veryproud that we have this113001:14:01,440 --> 01:14:07,620incredible momentum. So much sothat, you know, the guys with113101:14:07,620 --> 01:14:10,380hundreds of millions of dollarsthink oh, man, we can't do113201:14:10,380 --> 01:14:14,400anything until five years fromnow. You know, and then and then113301:14:14,400 --> 01:14:20,130what? People are going to move?Oh, no, no, not at all. I mean,113401:14:20,130 --> 01:14:23,160the whole infant look at all thehosting companies who are adding113501:14:23,910 --> 01:14:27,660namespace tags. It's reallyfantastic. And yeah, it's been113601:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,050we're coming up on two years.But yeah, I mean, it's113701:14:31,050 --> 01:14:33,660surprising how fast this hasgone. Really?113801:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,560Yeah, no, it's going very quick.113901:14:38,430 --> 01:14:42,120So you can go to podcastindex.org down at the bottom.114001:14:42,390 --> 01:14:44,970There's a link if you want togive us your Fiat fun coupons.114101:14:44,970 --> 01:14:48,150We do appreciate those.Certainly because people realize114201:14:48,150 --> 01:14:51,180the numbers are the numbers. Butof course we also love your114301:14:51,180 --> 01:14:54,360booster grams, your streamingsites, everything and part of114401:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,480the deal is we thank you whenyou send something and we thank114501:14:57,480 --> 01:15:00,720you by reading your booster gramor your note Are we sure114601:15:00,720 --> 01:15:05,790do and we got zero Pay Palweekly donations this week. Pew114701:15:05,790 --> 01:15:06,900pew pew114801:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,640zero Pay Pal donations. Zero.Okay, well it is114901:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,830the audit. What do you what youjust played as the audio115001:15:16,830 --> 01:15:20,820equivalent of an old man tryingto pee in just the stream which115101:15:20,820 --> 01:15:24,000won't get started, you know?Just keep going.115201:15:24,030 --> 01:15:28,860Yeah, well, that's Mitas. So I'msure I'm sure he's flattered.115301:15:33,630 --> 01:15:37,800Yeah, we got we got zero sookay, that's nice. We got plenty115401:15:37,830 --> 01:15:43,380we got we got plenty. A goodlist of monthlies, but okay, I115501:15:43,380 --> 01:15:45,990guess I guess the last show wasbad. That's the only thing I can115601:15:45,990 --> 01:15:46,410think of.115701:15:47,940 --> 01:15:55,740Well it'll take two more showsto to evaluate. But if people115801:15:55,740 --> 01:15:59,640don't supply the value, thenthat's very easy. And then in my115901:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,830mind, they're not getting enoughvalue out of it. So we have to116001:16:01,830 --> 01:16:03,810figure out what provides morevalue.116101:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,970So but we do have we do haveboosts we have plenty of boosts116201:16:08,970 --> 01:16:13,800Okay. Which is which is good.Yeah, we need Auburn citadel.116301:16:14,340 --> 01:16:16,62049,490 SATs116401:16:17,310 --> 01:16:18,750Nice. Nice. Yes,116501:16:18,780 --> 01:16:21,270he does that a bunch. I'm not heneeds to tell us what the116601:16:21,270 --> 01:16:33,150numerology what's the numberagain for 49,490 49,490? Yeah,116701:16:33,150 --> 01:16:36,090so fell through fountain and hesays go podcasting?116801:16:36,120 --> 01:16:42,660Yes. The only thing I could findpodcast is the 49 490 heavy duty116901:16:42,690 --> 01:16:43,500air filter.117001:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,640I'm just gonna stick my neck outand say that's not it.117101:16:47,700 --> 01:16:48,870No, I think you're right.117201:16:50,730 --> 01:16:56,070The I'm doing this actually frommud. The email. Oh,117301:16:56,070 --> 01:17:00,990look at you. Would you likewould you like my.mk rc file so117401:17:00,990 --> 01:17:04,170you have all the cool file? I'vespent years developing that117501:17:04,170 --> 01:17:04,530thing.117601:17:04,890 --> 01:17:07,740I would actually love thatplace. That would be amazing.117701:17:07,830 --> 01:17:09,210Like, I want your macros man.117801:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,910There's a lot of cool macrosthat I've got in there. Sure.117901:17:11,910 --> 01:17:13,920I'll send that to you. Noproblem. Yeah, that'd be killer.118001:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,140I'm gonna drop it in since oneof you using mutt what118101:17:16,140 --> 01:17:18,150happened? Since a week ago.118201:17:18,540 --> 01:17:20,940You logged in you know thatcurries on a something? Let me118301:17:20,940 --> 01:17:22,380try this month thing again.118401:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,600Here's the here's the funnything. Is the I use fast mail118501:17:27,720 --> 01:17:32,130for our podcast index.org. Imean mail account, fast mails,118601:17:32,130 --> 01:17:37,590web interface cannot handleemojis. Really, it just doesn't118701:17:37,590 --> 01:17:40,830show them at all. They alwayscome through as like these118801:17:40,830 --> 01:17:46,440weird, like encoding mighthandle118901:17:46,440 --> 01:17:49,470them perfectly. Well. It's alsothe terminal you're using.119001:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,460Yeah, I mean, will fat fastmeals web interface? You would119101:17:53,460 --> 01:17:58,410think it could handle an emojiwebsite? I think so. And but but119201:17:58,410 --> 01:18:01,260my command line can handle itbetter than the website. Yeah.119301:18:01,290 --> 01:18:03,930Maybe they thought you know,fast mail. If we don't render119401:18:03,930 --> 01:18:05,790the emojis. It'll be evenfaster.119501:18:06,240 --> 01:18:12,990Yes. Yeah, it is faster. So,Mary, Oscar, Oscar, also known119601:18:12,990 --> 01:18:17,490as Oscar Mayer. Yes. And it's10,000 SATs. Thank you. And he119701:18:17,490 --> 01:18:20,730says, Hey, listen, marry, stopsending test boost from the119801:18:20,730 --> 01:18:21,180dungeon.119901:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,680That's right. He stopped the onethe 10 sat boost and he turned120001:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,840it in 10,000. Thank you,brother. That's true.120101:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,260Boost. Yeah. And he's working onsome cool stuff, too. Well,120201:18:31,290 --> 01:18:33,390maybe we'll he'll let maybehe'll let us talk about that.120301:18:33,420 --> 01:18:33,570Yeah,120401:18:33,570 --> 01:18:36,330we'll have to have him on if hewants to talk about it. Yeah,120501:18:36,330 --> 01:18:37,020that'd be good. Yeah.120601:18:37,740 --> 01:18:41,730We got Oh, over Citadelle backwith 4949 and he says tripping120701:18:41,730 --> 01:18:42,480over scissors.120801:18:44,220 --> 01:18:45,600Scissors sound Dave scissors.120901:18:46,260 --> 01:18:47,640Oh, you got me121001:18:49,920 --> 01:18:55,080run over there and pick them upthere and run back. Ah, nice.121101:18:55,500 --> 01:18:56,160Sharp.121201:18:57,210 --> 01:19:01,230Nice and short. I was on the Iwas on the the polishing wheel121301:19:01,230 --> 01:19:06,720before the ships getting themall fired up. So Karen mere121401:19:06,720 --> 01:19:13,920mortals 9090 s s through curiocaster. A friend asked me the121501:19:13,920 --> 01:19:19,410other day. Why I dislike Spotifyso much. I can. I can hear his121601:19:19,410 --> 01:19:24,150friends say Hey Karen, what doyou dislike Spotify so much? And121701:19:24,150 --> 01:19:26,790he says I stuck with theadvertisements and the dodgy121801:19:26,790 --> 01:19:29,700marketing practices. But thisepisode has added a whole new121901:19:29,700 --> 01:19:32,910set of weapons to the arsenal.Chatting with Sir Spencer on122001:19:32,910 --> 01:19:35,280mere mortals has also made mesuper excited about122101:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,190decentralized music and thecoming demise of the music122201:19:38,190 --> 01:19:38,730tyranny122301:19:40,500 --> 01:19:44,850he's optimistic that chyron isbut yes that is the idea and I122401:19:44,850 --> 01:19:49,680there's no reason we can do itat all greed. Just need to need122501:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,830to jump in. Build some apps andstuff.122601:19:53,550 --> 01:20:00,960Dion as soon as 999 sets and heor she says uh Hello creator122701:20:01,020 --> 01:20:04,740reaching out how you doingbooster?122801:20:04,980 --> 01:20:06,750Hello creator Hello booster.122901:20:09,750 --> 01:20:16,320See Steven B. I think this isthis may have been during the123001:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,810show he says hey guys, I wishthere was a way to for fans to123101:20:18,810 --> 01:20:24,780reach out to their favoritecreators. Yes. Let's see what my123201:20:24,780 --> 01:20:29,250I'm out of out of sequence here.Oh, here we go. This is the123301:20:29,250 --> 01:20:33,840danger of mud. Okay, so valuefor value no add freedom boost123401:20:33,840 --> 01:20:40,320from Georgia or well 1111 Boost.Thank you. Thank you George. I'm123501:20:42,390 --> 01:20:44,580wondering and I'm so out ofwhack you're not?123601:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,620I mean what is it is definitelyfor the experienced. So if123701:20:49,620 --> 01:20:52,350you're if you're experiencingsome issues,123801:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,550so here's my experience. Here'swhat I expected to experience. I123901:20:56,550 --> 01:20:59,760expected to experience that whenI hit the down arrow key. I go124001:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,380to the next email but that's notwhat124101:21:01,470 --> 01:21:06,480oh, you need to hit J J. K JKbrother J K not down arrow down124201:21:06,480 --> 01:21:09,690arrow takes you to a wholenother thing. That yeah, okay,124301:21:09,690 --> 01:21:12,540so and if you want to read more,it's the return key.124401:21:15,750 --> 01:21:16,770Oh, of course it is.124501:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,410Why are you laughing at me? Whyare you laughing?124601:21:20,070 --> 01:21:23,880I'm laughing It must because youknow everybody would expect that124701:21:23,970 --> 01:21:28,830that go to the next email youwould hit j would ever think124801:21:28,830 --> 01:21:32,070that that's the case. Okay. Allright.124901:21:33,090 --> 01:21:34,680Hold on. I gotta do Here you go.125001:21:34,740 --> 01:21:43,920Knock it off. Shut up. Shut up.So the answer is another one. He125101:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,530says 909 SS he says juicy.125201:21:47,010 --> 01:21:49,740Okay, okay. Juicy indeed.125301:21:51,810 --> 01:21:56,820Kaspi lintas and 7380 sets andhe's through fountain. He says125401:21:56,820 --> 01:22:01,050okay, okay, Bitcoin is low.Double boost. Keep keep125501:22:01,050 --> 01:22:07,890promoting the only fan. KeepWhoa. Oh, that's SSE. Keep125601:22:07,890 --> 01:22:12,210promoting the only fans girls.One day, one day, one day, I can125701:22:12,210 --> 01:22:15,360directly boost them just forthat just for their ads. And how125801:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,230could their profile? Haha,sorry, I can handle Jensen.125901:22:19,410 --> 01:22:22,860Maybe look into his work oneday. One day again. Thanks for126001:22:22,860 --> 01:22:26,430the word is is he talking aboutthe Jenson podcast? Yes. Yeah.126101:22:26,430 --> 01:22:29,520Okay. Is that a well knownpodcast? And126201:22:29,580 --> 01:22:33,600oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, verywell known and very polarizing.126301:22:35,640 --> 01:22:43,650And was it Pete who posted ashort audio of his test his126401:22:43,650 --> 01:22:49,830first test of the road casterpro mark two, I think. And I126501:22:49,830 --> 01:22:52,200didn't see that. Yeah. And hesaid that there seems to be some126601:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,490latency. He says, I hear myvoice like a little bit later.126701:22:56,490 --> 01:23:00,360I'm like, that doesn't make anysense. That's bad. That's very126801:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,900bad. If there's actual latency,like he demonstrated something126901:23:03,900 --> 01:23:07,320like Oh, I'm gonna send it backif it has that, apparently is127001:23:07,320 --> 01:23:08,760running on Linux. The wholething.127101:23:09,750 --> 01:23:14,640Ah, okay. Surprise me. Man. Thatwould be a deal killer. Oh,127201:23:14,640 --> 01:23:21,300yeah. See, we got to wait, hangon a second. Hang on a second127301:23:21,300 --> 01:23:22,500timeout stops show starts.127401:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,290Okay. Well, no, this is what youlike. Right. So you like it when127501:23:25,290 --> 01:23:26,250people mess up?127601:23:27,150 --> 01:23:30,090No, I mean, like, for real startthe show because my kids just127701:23:30,090 --> 01:23:31,020started playing drums.127801:23:33,030 --> 01:23:38,340Okay, we will temporarily pause.Alright, so So now wait a127901:23:38,340 --> 01:23:42,300minute. This is this is the onewith the broken femur. Yeah,128001:23:42,300 --> 01:23:43,980he's back on the drums already.128101:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,740Yeah, he is. Now he's inphysical therapy. He's doing128201:23:46,740 --> 01:23:47,640good. Oh,128301:23:47,700 --> 01:23:49,770well, I'm happy to hear thatbecause I was kind of thinking128401:23:49,770 --> 01:23:52,770about that. It's like, you know,she got stuff messed up. I don't128501:23:52,770 --> 01:23:55,200know what that's like to getback behind the drums.128601:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,900Yeah, when he first did it itscared me to death. I was like,128701:23:57,930 --> 01:24:01,110Oh my God. What do you do islike no, it's fine. It feels128801:24:01,110 --> 01:24:03,060fun. Okay, all right.128901:24:04,290 --> 01:24:06,900That wasn't my drumstick didcrack dad.129001:24:09,030 --> 01:24:13,170Yeah, all right as else in yourdream the donation no and I hear129101:24:13,170 --> 01:24:14,340Funkmaster J up there.129201:24:16,170 --> 01:24:17,760That's all right. We barelyheard it.129301:24:19,350 --> 01:24:22,530Oh, yeah. Niall sent us fivesets who129401:24:23,910 --> 01:24:26,820know what the hell are youdoing?129501:24:29,130 --> 01:24:33,060Is his message says boost withan exclamation point. That129601:24:33,060 --> 01:24:36,030doesn't fit. No, it doesn't takethe exclamation point129701:24:36,030 --> 01:24:38,610away. Yes. That's your boostright there.129801:24:39,240 --> 01:24:45,210Cole McCormick send us 333 saysand he says waiting for found to129901:24:45,210 --> 01:24:48,840lit it up. I want to listenlive. Okay. Well,130001:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,440I I'm pretty sure is beingworked on.130101:24:54,180 --> 01:25:01,020User. Here's here's a boost fromuser 706-512-3838 six to six.130201:25:01,230 --> 01:25:06,300Yes says it's 500 SAS and hesays from your friends at is130301:25:06,390 --> 01:25:15,150issue u.com issue UISU e y ou.com I mean this is just gonna130401:25:15,150 --> 01:25:16,170like Take Over is this becausethis130501:25:16,170 --> 01:25:19,380spam buffer overflow month but IS you130601:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,290ISU e one s? Yeah?130701:25:26,100 --> 01:25:29,430I sue you. It's not issue. It'sI sue you dot o130801:25:30,510 --> 01:25:31,290u.com.130901:25:32,039 --> 01:25:36,869Let's see what. Okay, I went toICU su u.com And it gives me131001:25:36,869 --> 01:25:37,319nothing.131101:25:37,409 --> 01:25:39,959It's a parked domain. Yeah. It'spretty.131201:25:41,100 --> 01:25:44,160Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanksfor wasting our time. Yeah,131301:25:44,190 --> 01:25:47,490thanks users Evernote forwhatever. See Mike comes in with131401:25:47,490 --> 01:25:52,5605678. Dave didn't know j&k Weredown and up and mutt. Those two131501:25:52,560 --> 01:25:58,290keys do the same thing and fastmail. Dave needs remedial email131601:25:58,290 --> 01:26:02,250training. Wait a second. SeeMike is always going oh, they131701:26:02,250 --> 01:26:06,270do? It's the universal Unix way.Brother.131801:26:08,130 --> 01:26:14,400J and K. is universe not? Forwhat?131901:26:14,490 --> 01:26:20,580For up and down? It's H for leftJ for down k for up Alpha.132001:26:20,580 --> 01:26:23,070Right. Where have you been?132101:26:24,480 --> 01:26:26,790Clearly not clearly not on thecommand line.132201:26:27,450 --> 01:26:30,990I think it's isn't this the samein VI as well? Yeah, it's the132301:26:30,990 --> 01:26:35,430same in VI Wow, use VI. Well,new I'm an emacs guy now.132401:26:36,060 --> 01:26:37,830Oh, are you converted to youknow?132501:26:37,830 --> 01:26:40,350Yeah, I've been I've been usingemacs for months.132601:26:41,430 --> 01:26:43,440Oh, well, I and I132701:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,890like it because I started withthe GUI client. So if you don't132801:26:46,890 --> 01:26:49,710know a command, you can go tothe menu bar and find it and132901:26:49,710 --> 01:26:52,260then you do that three times.And then you remember the133001:26:52,260 --> 01:26:52,920shortcut.133101:26:53,640 --> 01:27:01,980I've had a hotkey awakening.Alright. 150,000 SATs from Chad.133201:27:01,980 --> 01:27:05,220Pharaoh is boosting the dip.133301:27:05,640 --> 01:27:10,230Whoa, hello. Oost. Thank you.133401:27:10,830 --> 01:27:12,330So you drop an extra pinionthere133501:27:12,660 --> 01:27:16,290was a set. Toshi Satoshi133601:27:16,500 --> 01:27:19,920is one of those big coins withthe B on it. By the way, see on133701:27:19,920 --> 01:27:20,400Twitter,133801:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,380I use I have one of those that Iwent back the other day because133901:27:25,380 --> 01:27:29,370I had it in like a humidor boxthat I've had in the closet for134001:27:29,370 --> 01:27:33,450years. Like, look at thatthings. Don't tell me that.134101:27:33,450 --> 01:27:36,210Maybe there's like that, thatsomeone gave that to me? What if134201:27:36,210 --> 01:27:38,610there's an actual Bitcoin inthere? What if it's like a134301:27:38,610 --> 01:27:43,890private key or seed seed? Seedwords on the coin? I went back134401:27:43,890 --> 01:27:46,140and I studied Oh, no. Okay. No134501:27:46,170 --> 01:27:49,530x x ray, maybe it's on theinside. I've been using134601:27:49,740 --> 01:27:54,210rain loop recently for web basedmail because I have to use some134701:27:54,210 --> 01:28:01,410web mail. Rain loop is verycool. It's just a it's a it's a134801:28:01,440 --> 01:28:05,130web shell that runs and itconnects through IMAP to any134901:28:05,130 --> 01:28:08,010email server. And it also hasshortcuts.135001:28:09,150 --> 01:28:12,450Are they? Okay? Well,interestingly,135101:28:12,480 --> 01:28:18,060no. Interestingly, they're not.Yeah, I'm very disappointed by135201:28:18,060 --> 01:28:21,930that. They have a down arrow.It's like, Oh, come on, guys.135301:28:22,890 --> 01:28:26,550But I've sent the developersnotes. Can we put the j&k in135401:28:26,550 --> 01:28:26,880there?135501:28:27,660 --> 01:28:30,570Well, I didn't, I would have putthat into the river navigation135601:28:30,570 --> 01:28:32,970years ago if he had told me infree controller.135701:28:33,180 --> 01:28:36,300Well, the river navigation isalso nice because you hit right135801:28:36,300 --> 01:28:39,030arrow, it goes to the next item,you hit down arrow, it goes to135901:28:39,030 --> 01:28:44,340the next feed. Yes. See this. Inow as a human have a map of all136001:28:44,340 --> 01:28:49,830these key key shortcut shortcutsof all different apps. I think136101:28:49,830 --> 01:28:54,660you're a savant when it comes toshortcut keys. No lobby you you136201:28:54,660 --> 01:28:58,800know, shortcut hotkeys for somany different apps136301:28:58,860 --> 01:29:01,920because it's so much faster thanmoving the mouse?136401:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,300Yeah. And so I got I try tolearn them but I have no136501:29:06,300 --> 01:29:08,190capacity to remember them all.136601:29:08,250 --> 01:29:12,240It's like Hindenburg which isthe I love Hindenburg editing136701:29:12,240 --> 01:29:21,900software. Eight Now interesting.Lee it uses J K L. So L is I136801:29:21,900 --> 01:29:25,140can't do an obviously I'mrecording on it is to just play136901:29:25,140 --> 01:29:28,140forward and you let go the L itstops you can hit spacebar and137001:29:28,140 --> 01:29:32,460it plays. But if you press L andK then it'll triple the speed so137101:29:32,460 --> 01:29:36,840you can rock through it. You canrock to a spot or J for for137201:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,700backwards and the add the K andit speeds up. So yeah, I mean, I137301:29:41,700 --> 01:29:44,880love these things. It's just soit makes life so much easier.137401:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,900Thank you Chad Pharaoh forboosting the dip with 150,000137501:29:49,620 --> 01:29:56,370Cool man. Chad Pharaoh again3333 through fountain and he137601:29:56,370 --> 01:29:57,930says this shit is lit137701:29:59,340 --> 01:30:01,230yes It is up137801:30:02,010 --> 01:30:05,460Nomad Joe since 2000 SATsthrough fountain and he says137901:30:05,550 --> 01:30:12,210Spotify who floydian slipsflooding slips through fountain138001:30:12,210 --> 01:30:17,640nice and is 4567 SAS and he saysadvertising podcasting for value138101:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,460podcast one idiots attempt atstarting a value for value138201:30:20,460 --> 01:30:28,410podcast going into 3333 setsfrom Carolyn and Carolyn through138301:30:28,410 --> 01:30:31,470esfri. Through curio caster,Carolyn says the safest podcast138401:30:31,470 --> 01:30:36,390that runs with scissors boostboost boost. Blueberry says138501:30:36,420 --> 01:30:41,82011,111 SATs through fountain andhe says, What have you been most138601:30:41,850 --> 01:30:44,580grateful for during the build ofpodcasting? 2.0?138701:30:46,590 --> 01:30:48,930What have you been most gratefulfor? What have you been most138801:30:48,930 --> 01:30:49,770grateful for?138901:30:51,060 --> 01:30:53,880Hmm, I think it's likeeverything else in life, I139001:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,700think. I think the thing I'malways most grateful for no139101:30:56,700 --> 01:30:59,280matter what you get involved in,it's just the relationships that139201:30:59,280 --> 01:31:04,020you end up building with people.Not purely the friendships and139301:31:04,020 --> 01:31:08,370stuff and the relationships butbut the nature of the working139401:31:08,370 --> 01:31:12,240relationship where you've youlearned that you can, you know,139501:31:12,420 --> 01:31:15,990work with somebody to buildsomething new and to create139601:31:15,990 --> 01:31:19,620something new, I think. I thinkyou learn things about each139701:31:19,620 --> 01:31:22,320other and about yourself. Ithink it's just the I think it's139801:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,520the metaphysical part of it morethan just the actual building of139901:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,830it. But I mean, when you standback, of course, you know, I'm140001:31:29,910 --> 01:31:32,040proud of the work but his face,the question is, what are you140101:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,650most grateful for? I would, Iwould say, just the shared work140201:31:34,650 --> 01:31:35,190itself.140301:31:36,300 --> 01:31:40,710I agree. I also like that in 20years, we can all look back and140401:31:40,710 --> 01:31:45,540we'll say we did that. Yeah,yeah. And everybody and every,140501:31:45,540 --> 01:31:48,180every single person who works onthis project was I was a part of140601:31:48,180 --> 01:31:54,600that. And it is my true beliefthat the work we are all doing140701:31:54,630 --> 01:32:00,810is very important. It's reallyimportant for I'm just gonna go140801:32:00,810 --> 01:32:04,830there for the future of theworld. And when you when you140901:32:04,830 --> 01:32:09,600hear how stuff is being clampeddown, and just you can't talk,141001:32:09,930 --> 01:32:14,610no, we are we are theresistance. Viva la revolution.141101:32:15,810 --> 01:32:21,900That's right. Yeah, yeah, that'sa good point. Because I think I141201:32:21,900 --> 01:32:24,420firmly believe like what wetalked about at the beginning141301:32:24,420 --> 01:32:24,780that141401:32:25,200 --> 01:32:29,310or as Dave from x 22 says, I dobelieve, I do141501:32:29,310 --> 01:32:35,820believe that when whose hit thetide is going to turn at some141601:32:35,820 --> 01:32:38,520point, and it's going tocomplete we're going to have141701:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,300given these tools to all thewrong people to a bunch of141801:32:42,300 --> 01:32:45,810douchebags who think that we arethe dead that that humanity is141901:32:45,810 --> 01:32:49,200stupid, and they're the smartones. And that that thing's142001:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,260gonna flip and it's gonna biteeverybody in the rear. And at142101:32:52,260 --> 01:32:55,230that moment, everybody's gonnabe very thankful that we built142201:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,400that we built also an opensafety valve. Yep. Yeah.142301:33:00,630 --> 01:33:03,840The revolution here it is. Therevolution will be lit.142401:33:04,830 --> 01:33:08,940Oh, I like it. That's a t shirt.That's a T that's a good t you142501:33:08,940 --> 01:33:12,270know what we need we PodcastMovement. When we go there in142601:33:12,270 --> 01:33:14,160Dallas, we're going to need totake some T shirts with us142701:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,710probably. Or some stickers orsomething.142801:33:17,130 --> 01:33:19,680And we'll exchange those forsexual favors.142901:33:20,970 --> 01:33:23,760You what you do in your own timeis your business. So we're143001:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,370sharing a room Dave I don't knowwhat you're talking about.143101:33:27,480 --> 01:33:36,240My job is my business. Day seMacintosh sent us 10,000 SATs143201:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,880and he says can I get a littlelove for my podcast generational143301:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,440wealth with cryptocurrency143401:33:41,339 --> 01:33:42,929boost? Yeah,143501:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,780I just posted episode 55 Lastnight I'm trying to get the set143601:33:45,780 --> 01:33:47,820flywheel turning go podcasting?143701:33:47,850 --> 01:33:51,630Yes, that's the one I think wenetwork I think we hit the live143801:33:51,750 --> 01:33:52,770booster Graham's there.143901:33:53,850 --> 01:33:58,590This one was from June 17 at11:35am. Ah144001:34:00,390 --> 01:34:03,630okay. That was a pre appreciatebooth re lit.144101:34:06,030 --> 01:34:15,240Okay, I know you don't have thisone. Dr. Dub 300,000 SATs.144201:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,450Is this the one I hit the buttonfor?144301:34:18,780 --> 01:34:20,460Yes. Follow144401:34:20,520 --> 01:34:26,460shot caller 20 blades on him.Paula. Holy crap. Thank you.144501:34:27,119 --> 01:34:33,269from Robert. See, this is fromRobert Wiley. Thank you all.144601:34:33,299 --> 01:34:35,759Thank you for all you're doingI've posted what I've learned144701:34:35,759 --> 01:34:39,749from this podcast, sir Spencerand Josh chin on the website.144801:34:40,019 --> 01:34:41,639Music casting.org144901:34:42,090 --> 01:34:44,700onboard musicians Yeah, lookingat that this morning. It's very145001:34:44,700 --> 01:34:45,150cool.145101:34:45,870 --> 01:34:48,810I printed it out and I had it inmy notes talk about today.145201:34:49,260 --> 01:34:53,430I put it in the show notes musiccasting.org Okay.145301:34:54,090 --> 01:34:57,300It includes links to my fouralbums and a lecture on how145401:34:57,300 --> 01:35:00,090podcasting 2.0 and value forvalue offer new New145501:35:00,090 --> 01:35:01,620Opportunities for musicians.145601:35:03,090 --> 01:35:07,890Oh is like a why is this? Whydoes this keep ringing here? Oh,145701:35:07,890 --> 01:35:12,270it's ring I see. I'm sorry, isringing here. Let me stop this145801:35:16,380 --> 01:35:20,580Oh, it's someone's calling me onsignal and I saw the phone pop145901:35:20,580 --> 01:35:24,120up and I'm like, Why do I hearit on my computer door because I146001:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,130had signal open on my computer.That's why146101:35:26,639 --> 01:35:29,669I should read that note again.Yes, please do. Yes, it's from146201:35:29,669 --> 01:35:33,419Robert Wiley 300 1000s as iswhat he gave us and he says,146301:35:33,689 --> 01:35:36,179Thank you for all you're doing.I've posted what I've learned146401:35:36,179 --> 01:35:39,569from the, from this podcast, sirSpencer and Josh chan on the146501:35:39,569 --> 01:35:43,739website music casting.org tohelp onboard musicians. It146601:35:43,739 --> 01:35:46,709includes links to my four albumsand a lecture on how podcasting146701:35:46,709 --> 01:35:50,7592.0 and value for value offernew opportunities for musicians.146801:35:52,200 --> 01:35:56,610I'm going to put in musiccasting, use it to CS music146901:35:56,610 --> 01:35:57,960casting.org I147001:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,620think it is yes, music.147101:36:01,650 --> 01:36:05,130Yeah, I'm gonna put I'm gonnaput that in the show notes. What147201:36:05,130 --> 01:36:08,490is this? This, by the way is thestuff that makes it work. You147301:36:08,490 --> 01:36:10,620know, thinking that you're goingto do it with a marketing147401:36:10,620 --> 01:36:13,140department or anything likethat. It's not how it works.147501:36:13,620 --> 01:36:16,110This is this. We need thepeople. The people need to stand147601:36:16,110 --> 01:36:16,920up and do this.147701:36:17,880 --> 01:36:19,020We should have them on the show.147801:36:20,490 --> 01:36:21,630Okay, let's do it.147901:36:22,170 --> 01:36:25,440Why not? All the meat we need weneed to pull all the music guys148001:36:25,440 --> 01:36:26,040in on the show.148101:36:26,190 --> 01:36:27,990Okay. It's important.148201:36:29,820 --> 01:36:37,080Thank you, Robert. Reallyappreciate that. Marlon, sent us148301:36:37,110 --> 01:36:42,300through fountain sent us 11,000SATs and he says Dave is a148401:36:42,300 --> 01:36:47,730chubby guy in my mind. Okay. I'mhusky.148501:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,060Let me see. That's wrong,bombshell. No.148601:36:51,510 --> 01:36:57,600Yeah. That's it's just quitewrong. No. Comic Strip blogger148701:36:57,630 --> 01:37:05,490the delimiter 15,033 sets. ComicStrip. Comic Strip, comic strip148801:37:05,550 --> 01:37:12,300comic. Con extreme comic stripstrip. singalong comic strip.148901:37:15,660 --> 01:37:18,990We'll give him some props. He'sbeen supporting the show every149001:37:18,990 --> 01:37:20,010single episode.149101:37:21,540 --> 01:37:24,600Greetings from Eurotrashcontinent to podcasting. 2.0149201:37:24,600 --> 01:37:24,930team149301:37:26,430 --> 01:37:28,170Hello Euro trash continent.149401:37:28,709 --> 01:37:32,309Dave Jones, your trashincontinent these Dave Jones and149501:37:32,309 --> 01:37:40,139AC is podcast index.org ESGcompliant. Are we are with ESG149601:37:40,139 --> 01:37:41,099comply think we are?149701:37:43,110 --> 01:37:46,830No, we would lose on a lot offronts where we win on the149801:37:46,830 --> 01:37:50,850saving the Earth with POD ping.We totally lose due to lack of149901:37:51,210 --> 01:37:52,170diversity.150001:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,840Unless you were just two whitedudes. There150101:37:54,840 --> 01:37:55,260you go.150201:37:55,290 --> 01:38:00,180Yeah, there you go. And I alsohave two trucks that combined150301:38:00,180 --> 01:38:02,250for a total of less than 30miles per gallon.150401:38:03,810 --> 01:38:05,910We're sure really a very badman.150501:38:06,120 --> 01:38:11,580Yes. Anyways, Episode 33 of ourpodcast AI dot cooking about150601:38:11,580 --> 01:38:13,680artificial intelligence isdropping this Monday. Oh, you150701:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,790don't say it is spoken byGregory William Forsythe Foreman150801:38:17,790 --> 01:38:18,390from Kent150901:38:18,450 --> 01:38:23,880also known as growth. Notes Iwas I was informed that people151001:38:23,910 --> 01:38:27,000keep saying GW F F now it'sgruff. It's just go off. Okay,151101:38:27,000 --> 01:38:27,360cool.151201:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,910Okay, is spoken by gwass gruffso you're welcome to relish it151301:38:32,940 --> 01:38:33,450yo.151401:38:34,170 --> 01:38:38,850That's right. Let me hand out aboost maybe one of the151501:38:42,480 --> 01:38:47,010Thanks, everybody. Pop you heardfrom Fauci is popping off a can151601:38:47,010 --> 01:38:49,500of restless relish. So you canrelish it.151701:38:50,520 --> 01:38:55,260Are you eating relish now afteryour cherry? No. Just trying to151801:38:55,260 --> 01:38:56,640understand your diet. Dave.151901:38:57,600 --> 01:39:04,950I have pita chips. Yeah, I have.So by the time I get home from152001:39:04,950 --> 01:39:09,330my lunch fro so I leave theoffice at 12 Get here if 1215152101:39:09,330 --> 01:39:13,830start the show at 1230. So mylunch usually consists of a152201:39:13,830 --> 01:39:17,610plate of stuff I can rapidlygrab out of the fridge and dump152301:39:17,610 --> 01:39:20,940onto a single plate on the wayinto the podcast. I152401:39:20,940 --> 01:39:24,810gotcha brother. I gotta listento the podcast booth.152501:39:25,230 --> 01:39:28,320Yes. Thank you everybody has152601:39:28,350 --> 01:39:32,640any any monthly pay close? Yeah,yeah, but hopefully we had some152701:39:32,640 --> 01:39:33,810monthly pay pals.152801:39:34,110 --> 01:39:41,730No, we get some monthly. We'regood. Terry Keller $5 are in car152901:39:41,730 --> 01:39:47,400and hugger Miller $5 Chris cowand $5 Jeffrey Rutherford. $5.153001:39:47,430 --> 01:39:51,210Jeremy Kevin not in dollars.Alex gates, the podcast153101:39:51,210 --> 01:39:56,940consultant $25 Thank you ourcalls. Paul Saltzman $22.22.153201:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,990Thank you, Paul. Hey, pal,ducks. Is that a is that Sir153301:40:00,990 --> 01:40:01,410Paul?153401:40:03,330 --> 01:40:06,060There's still a couple of SirPaul's, but it could be. I don't153501:40:06,090 --> 01:40:07,020I don't remember.153601:40:07,380 --> 01:40:13,230Damon Castle Jack the $15 DavidNorman. He have a picture studio153701:40:13,230 --> 01:40:19,560is $25 Derek J. Vickery. $21.Thank you, Derek. Jeremy guards153801:40:19,590 --> 01:40:25,530$5 Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5,Timothy Hudgens, my buddy $25.153901:40:25,530 --> 01:40:27,930And David would find $3. That's154001:40:28,410 --> 01:40:32,040all right, everybody, thank youso much. Again, value for value.154101:40:32,490 --> 01:40:34,470Whatever you get out of theproject, whatever you get out of154201:40:34,470 --> 01:40:38,580the podcast, just assign anumber to it, and send that in,154301:40:38,580 --> 01:40:41,190keep the project going, please,so we don't have to go begging154401:40:41,190 --> 01:40:44,370at Marc Andreessen store.Although that would make154501:40:44,370 --> 01:40:49,830everybody really rich. I justwant to point it out again. I'm154601:40:49,830 --> 01:40:51,540gonna keep I'm gonna keeppestering with this154701:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,100spec spec. And154801:40:54,870 --> 01:40:58,590we're going for a spec full onspec. Now really, really154901:40:58,590 --> 01:41:02,010appreciate it. Of course, wewe'd like time, talent and155001:41:02,010 --> 01:41:07,290treasure. So even if you're notparticipating in sending value155101:41:07,290 --> 01:41:10,470through treasure, time andtalent are highly appreciated. A155201:41:10,470 --> 01:41:14,790lot of people do a lot of greatthings for podcasting. 2.0 Even155301:41:14,790 --> 01:41:19,350just telling people about it isincredibly helpful. evangelizing155401:41:19,350 --> 01:41:22,560please and and let us know ifyou need any help. How can we155501:41:22,560 --> 01:41:27,000help evangelize? We'll get ourmarketing team on it right away155601:41:27,930 --> 01:41:32,280to podcasting index.org down atthe bottom. You can also send on155701:41:32,280 --> 01:41:36,870chain Bitcoin, which one set up?No one has done. It's always155801:41:37,170 --> 01:41:43,020Hey, man, hey, man, if only youset up an on chain, Bitcoin155901:41:43,020 --> 01:41:46,710donation QR code I could donate,but since you didn't, and then156001:41:46,710 --> 01:41:51,060you do it and then you neverhear from him again. Let me go,156101:41:51,090 --> 01:41:53,490let me check the tally coin. Ididn't actually check that.156201:41:53,490 --> 01:41:54,030Let's see.156301:41:54,750 --> 01:41:57,750In that way, it always goes likea man if you would only do so156401:41:57,750 --> 01:42:00,810and so I would do I would, youknow I would get involved or156501:42:00,810 --> 01:42:02,280help out and then you do andthey never show.156601:42:02,370 --> 01:42:06,090It's always well, with noagenda. What we've learned is156701:42:06,390 --> 01:42:10,410there is a category of peopleit's not big, but they're around156801:42:10,830 --> 01:42:16,140and it goes like this. They'realways I was going to donate but156901:42:16,140 --> 01:42:20,160you said something that reallypissed me off. This happens all157001:42:20,160 --> 01:42:24,900the time. Well, I can't donatenow. I was contemplating how157101:42:24,900 --> 01:42:28,830much to send. Now I'm thinkingshould I send anything at all?157201:42:29,610 --> 01:42:33,090I had my finger over the mouse.Close.157301:42:34,140 --> 01:42:38,460A couple of bladed lit boostsbooster Graham from Mitch from a157401:42:38,460 --> 01:42:44,910pod verse. He's got a full onrow of ducks 22,222 Looking157501:42:44,910 --> 01:42:47,550forward to seeing you all thePodcast Movement Dallas, I might157601:42:47,550 --> 01:42:50,700need a new podcasting 2.0 tshirt because I don't fit in the157701:42:50,700 --> 01:42:55,380small anymore. Oh, welcome toindependent development. Mitch.157801:42:56,310 --> 01:42:58,470That's exactly what happens.Welcome to Working from157901:42:58,470 --> 01:43:01,950home with all that Russ wood allthat ramen and snickers bars158001:43:03,480 --> 01:43:09,870and see Mike 1768 SATs blowingthe balance of my curio caster158101:43:09,870 --> 01:43:15,390SATs wallet. Fo Yes. And he saysMarco Colin. I am impatiently158201:43:15,390 --> 01:43:18,420awaiting the addition of morepodcasting 2.0 features in158301:43:18,420 --> 01:43:21,090overcast and I'm willing to testthe alphas and betas if you158401:43:21,090 --> 01:43:25,290needed a human listener to helpwith QA and UA t tests I cannot158501:43:25,290 --> 01:43:30,660wait to boost the boardroom chatfrom overcast go podcasting I158601:43:30,690 --> 01:43:35,700don't think about value forvalue boosting from overcast158701:43:35,700 --> 01:43:40,980anytime soon market doesn't seemto I don't think he's interested158801:43:40,980 --> 01:43:43,350in that at this at this point intime. But158901:43:44,100 --> 01:43:50,490other features yeah otherfeatures for sure. Yep. Is that159001:43:50,490 --> 01:43:55,080it? We got it because I want totalk about something I did for159101:43:55,080 --> 01:43:59,730this a lot of no agenda to workbecause Alex was busy this week159201:43:59,820 --> 01:44:04,200adding features to in a tube andone thing that's been an issue159301:44:04,200 --> 01:44:10,020has been adding value blockspeople claiming it in their159401:44:10,020 --> 01:44:13,830podcast wallet but yes did notsupport email. Yes. Well now.159501:44:14,070 --> 01:44:18,570Now he supports email but itbrought up so that's that's a159601:44:18,570 --> 01:44:28,890soft issue. But now it broughtup this other question. And it159701:44:28,890 --> 01:44:35,520goes like this al Alex andprovides a service that is159801:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,270bandwidth and processorintensive video transcoding159901:44:39,270 --> 01:44:45,720video, live streaming, videostorage. So appear to denseness160001:44:45,720 --> 01:44:53,490is not a cheap thing to run andoperate. Clearly. If you get any160101:44:53,490 --> 01:44:58,890popularity at all, you could belooking at quickly hundreds up160201:44:58,890 --> 01:45:03,390into the you know For fivedigits a month, if you don't160301:45:03,390 --> 01:45:10,470keep a check on it, so it bringsup this idea of if I'm taking,160401:45:11,100 --> 01:45:17,190let's just make a song about it,no agenda tube itself. So takes160501:45:17,190 --> 01:45:19,890a slim put a bunch of videos onthere. Well, if Texas slims160601:45:19,890 --> 01:45:23,580videos get very popular, and alot of people start watching160701:45:23,580 --> 01:45:32,700them. Then Alex is serving thebandwidth. And let's just160801:45:32,700 --> 01:45:36,990imagine that Texas slim nowtakes him did put value bike in160901:45:36,990 --> 01:45:43,950there, but let's just say hedid. If they, if this happens in161001:45:43,950 --> 01:45:46,710somebody's in a bunch of videosgets popular and website gets161101:45:46,710 --> 01:45:50,190popular and there's no value forvalue in it in the in the161201:45:50,190 --> 01:45:52,920creators don't put value forvalue blocks in their feeds,161301:45:53,430 --> 01:45:57,900then, then there would be noopportunity for streaming sets161401:45:57,900 --> 01:46:05,880for Alex. Correct. So what I didwas as an experiment was put in,161501:46:07,560 --> 01:46:11,670we're trying to devise thissolution. And the ultimately161601:46:11,670 --> 01:46:14,580what we wanted to do is besomething like like a dot well161701:46:14,580 --> 01:46:21,840known URL. So that no agenda sothat when when the index sees a161801:46:21,840 --> 01:46:27,750video, have no agenda comingfrom no agenda tube.com. When it161901:46:27,750 --> 01:46:32,640sees that as the feed URLsource, it could go and check at162001:46:32,640 --> 01:46:40,050nogen to.com/dot. Well, dashknown slash, some URL, in where162101:46:40,080 --> 01:46:45,120we're at this special URL, theowner of nodes in the tube.com,162201:46:45,480 --> 01:46:53,340would then have constructed away to tell podcast platforms162301:46:53,340 --> 01:46:57,750and an app such as the index,did they want to get this162401:46:57,750 --> 01:47:05,730particular percentage of a fee?So then the index with that, in162501:47:05,730 --> 01:47:11,700begin to add a podcast, a valueblock to every video that is162601:47:11,700 --> 01:47:17,880served. Every video we knowabout from no agenda tube.com162701:47:18,450 --> 01:47:22,920begin to add a value block inthere that only has a fee162801:47:22,920 --> 01:47:27,210percentage for no agendatube.com. So essentially, these162901:47:27,210 --> 01:47:31,770are value blocks without thecreator in it. And the reason,163001:47:31,950 --> 01:47:36,420and it's a direct funding forthe platform serving the video,163101:47:37,170 --> 01:47:38,610rather than the Creator.163201:47:39,570 --> 01:47:44,370And you want you want the indexto insert that. That split.163301:47:45,150 --> 01:47:49,440Yes. Like it's we're doing itnow as just a way to test this163401:47:49,440 --> 01:47:53,280whole thing out. And so myquestion is, so like, right now,163501:47:53,280 --> 01:48:01,800if you go to Alex's live let mesee if he's on there. Well, he's163601:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,010got he's got a variable X setup, let me know what Texas slam163701:48:05,010 --> 01:48:07,770may not let me look at beefinitiative.163801:48:10,560 --> 01:48:11,550No, I don't163901:48:11,580 --> 01:48:15,750know. Thanks. Okay, go look forbait search for beef initiative164001:48:15,750 --> 01:48:20,310and podcast index. And you'llsee that the only split in there164101:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,190because he never claimed he hasnot yet claimed the podcast and164201:48:23,190 --> 01:48:24,150wallet for164301:48:24,180 --> 01:48:30,240yeah, there's this. This is notthe best example. The Texas slim164401:48:31,170 --> 01:48:37,320feed. Okay. Because they mayhave a whole bunch of reasons164501:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,500for that. Okay, there's amillion people have been164601:48:40,500 --> 01:48:43,950managing this stuff and it wasclaimed incorrectly and let me164701:48:43,950 --> 01:48:51,360see if initiative. Alright.Yeah. Right. So yeah, I see it.164801:48:51,480 --> 01:48:57,060Well. So here, here's my here's,here's my, my initial response164901:48:57,060 --> 01:49:00,390to what is happening. I thinkit's a bad idea for podcasts165001:49:00,390 --> 01:49:02,070index to be inserting anything.165101:49:03,150 --> 01:49:07,650Okay. Why is my question theethics of this and all the165201:49:07,650 --> 01:49:07,890things165301:49:08,010 --> 01:49:15,480why doesn't know agenda? So, formy money, I would say if you165401:49:15,480 --> 01:49:20,310want to host on podcast index,here's the deal. Your feed will165501:49:20,310 --> 01:49:24,240include a split for no agenda towhether you claim your wallet or165601:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,990not. Whether you are doing valuefor value or not, and he can165701:49:27,990 --> 01:49:35,820insert that into the feeds hecreates. And and I presume,165801:49:35,970 --> 01:49:38,730well, I mean, it just comes downto how he wants to run that.165901:49:41,280 --> 01:49:46,350Breeze is an interestingexample, where you cannot get166001:49:46,350 --> 01:49:49,200any old podcast and breeze ithas to be value for value166101:49:49,200 --> 01:49:54,120enabled. Why wouldn't you sayhey, you want to you want to use166201:49:54,870 --> 01:49:58,710no agenda tube, then you have tohave a wallet. You have to have166301:49:58,710 --> 01:50:05,010it enabled. And, and the noagenda tool needs to take this166401:50:05,010 --> 01:50:09,120percent. Why? Why would anyfreebies in?166501:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,740Yeah, that's kinda though that'syeah, that was the old screw the166601:50:13,740 --> 01:50:16,920whole thing screw that nofreebies but but it shouldn't be166701:50:17,040 --> 01:50:22,260the feed should be the source oftruth shouldn't be the feet. I166801:50:22,560 --> 01:50:27,750seems. Technically I understandwhy it makes sense to do it this166901:50:27,750 --> 01:50:32,070way. I think it puts us in thespot we may not want to be in.167001:50:33,120 --> 01:50:36,960So that that was we'll see.Think about it, though. Okay, I167101:50:36,960 --> 01:50:42,180think I may, we may have missedthis, this part is that this is167201:50:42,180 --> 01:50:49,320not. Yes, you could put it inthe feed. But here the the other167301:50:49,320 --> 01:50:53,880way that we thought about doingit was that no agenda tube.com167401:50:54,570 --> 01:51:00,120creates the file in the dot wellknown, say expressing to all167501:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,870platforms that whenever thatplatform supports value for167601:51:03,870 --> 01:51:09,690value, that what they want is a1% split or whatever this, you167701:51:09,690 --> 01:51:13,710know, 20% or whatever this thingis, so that we are we are167801:51:13,710 --> 01:51:17,910getting the information from theplatform. It's not coming to the167901:51:17,910 --> 01:51:20,490feed, but we're still not justmaking it out willy nilly like,168001:51:20,490 --> 01:51:20,640Yeah,168101:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,720but it's, but you can't, butit's not the source of truth. We168201:51:24,720 --> 01:51:31,260have one source of truth. Feed,why can't just be put into the168301:51:31,260 --> 01:51:31,680feed?168401:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,090It could I could, I could, ifyou. I can see, I guess he168501:51:39,090 --> 01:51:42,630dropped. It could in thisinstance, because there is a168601:51:42,630 --> 01:51:47,400feed. I can imagine things inthe future of other value for168701:51:47,400 --> 01:51:49,500value things that aren't feedbased.168801:51:50,220 --> 01:51:54,330What I mean, I'm just pushingback, because you know, this is168901:51:54,330 --> 01:51:54,660just as169001:51:54,660 --> 01:51:55,350good, it's good.169101:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,190I might have to think about thisa little bit more. But it just169201:52:05,190 --> 01:52:11,370seems like why why would anyonetrust us? I mean, of course,169301:52:11,370 --> 01:52:14,700we're, we're good guys. But whywould anyone trust us to be169401:52:14,700 --> 01:52:18,600determining predeterminingsplits? And then, and then we're169501:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,640gonna have to do it foreverybody else. Because we can't169601:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,890just say, Oh, no, that's onlyfor NA, too. Well, I want to169701:52:22,890 --> 01:52:26,850have a 10% automatic split putin and I want to,169801:52:28,440 --> 01:52:34,740we'll see. Okay, so here's,here's the thinking that169901:52:34,740 --> 01:52:38,760originates this thing is that,and I know you agree with this,170001:52:39,570 --> 01:52:45,840that the platform needs to getpaid to whether or not the170101:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,860creator gets paid, the platformcan independently make a170201:52:49,860 --> 01:52:57,180decision. They want to they wantto make a value for value play170301:52:57,210 --> 01:53:02,040themselves. Sure. And so sinceI've chosen to upload my video170401:53:02,040 --> 01:53:07,230content, to put it to yourvideo, your videos are170501:53:07,230 --> 01:53:13,950awesome.com that, that meentitles that, you know that I'm170601:53:13,950 --> 01:53:17,220making that agreement with themthat they can they can do their170701:53:17,220 --> 01:53:20,910own thing in there, man, I'mjust using their platform. So170801:53:20,910 --> 01:53:23,430they want those. So you're youknow, you're also videos.com170901:53:23,430 --> 01:53:28,170wants to make a value for valueplay for themselves. And they171001:53:28,170 --> 01:53:33,270need to be able to express insome way to the world that they171101:53:33,270 --> 01:53:39,660would they would like to covertheir costs is 20% is a 20% fee.171201:53:40,740 --> 01:53:45,510And so if it's in the feed, ifthey are a service,171301:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,300let's just distinguish split orfee, because that's two171401:53:48,300 --> 01:53:51,750different things. And we need tobe very clear. So that's on top171501:53:51,750 --> 01:53:56,910of everything else a 20% fee.Fee. Yes. So and so not a part171601:53:56,910 --> 01:53:59,130of the split, it's a 20% fee.171701:53:59,940 --> 01:54:03,960Right? So it's a it's a it's afee split. It's exactly what171801:54:03,960 --> 01:54:06,270podcast index does through ourAPI, we add171901:54:06,780 --> 01:54:09,750a whole bunch like becausethere's there's a fee, there's172001:54:09,750 --> 01:54:14,280the g of a split of the 100%.And there's a fee, which is172101:54:14,280 --> 01:54:19,650charged on top of the 100%.Right, this is a fee. This is a172201:54:19,650 --> 01:54:22,200fee on top of the 100%.172301:54:23,910 --> 01:54:27,720Well, it's in this here, well,here's the thing going going172401:54:27,720 --> 01:54:33,600back to this example of a videothat exists exist on on this172501:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,320service, that doesn't have avalue that where the Creator has172601:54:37,320 --> 01:54:38,790never put in a value block.172701:54:38,850 --> 01:54:41,940i Yes, I understand. I'm justsaying there's a difference172801:54:41,940 --> 01:54:48,720between a 20% split in the valueblock and a 20% fee. Because172901:54:48,720 --> 01:54:52,650that is technically I if Iunderstand it properly. That is173001:54:52,650 --> 01:54:57,180technically something differentin value for value. Yes. So why173101:54:57,210 --> 01:55:02,070a fee of 20% onto half ofwhatever the Creator asks or173201:55:02,070 --> 01:55:07,560doesn't ask at all versus, hey,if you're not interested, I'm173301:55:07,560 --> 01:55:11,820taking 100%. If you'reinterested, we need minimum 20.173401:55:11,820 --> 01:55:13,800If not get off have no agendatube.173501:55:15,240 --> 01:55:19,800I think it's because of theexpectations of the way. Because173601:55:19,800 --> 01:55:27,210what what it is, is a fee. It'snot a share of the revenue. Like173701:55:27,210 --> 01:55:30,270when you say I want to take asplit, that implies that the173801:55:30,270 --> 01:55:34,380Creator has something to do withit. If you're taking a fee, as a173901:55:34,380 --> 01:55:39,420fee for the service, I thinkit's a matter of like, language174001:55:39,420 --> 01:55:43,410around the whole thing of doingit. Because because they end up174101:55:43,410 --> 01:55:47,490being the same, like a 20%. Ifyou take a 20% split, and that's174201:55:47,490 --> 01:55:52,350the de facto standard for thatservice, the 20% split, and a in174301:55:52,350 --> 01:55:55,920a fee of 20%. Or it's gonna getyou the same thing. But it's,174401:55:56,280 --> 01:56:01,290it's more appropriately a feethan a split. Because using the174501:56:01,290 --> 01:56:04,860service, the service is charginga fee for the usage of the174601:56:04,860 --> 01:56:08,910service. Or asking for a fee,not charging, but asking for a174701:56:08,910 --> 01:56:13,440fee. Okay. I think ultimately,it ends up being the same, but174801:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,750the fee wording is seems more174901:56:15,750 --> 01:56:18,420appropriate. Well, the reasonit's not the same is it's one175001:56:18,420 --> 01:56:26,310thing to use an app and get fouror 5%, as a user, as a listener,175101:56:26,310 --> 01:56:29,850or a viewer is another thanlike, Well, wait a minute, this175201:56:29,850 --> 01:56:34,320is 20% more than I sent. I mean,that's, I don't know, maybe175301:56:34,320 --> 01:56:38,700that's just semantics for rightnow. Because we're still at the175401:56:39,120 --> 01:56:43,230should notice, should the indexbe maintaining this information?175501:56:43,260 --> 01:56:45,960And how do we where's our sourceof truth? We have to call up175601:56:45,960 --> 01:56:49,710Alex, is it still 20%? What ifhe, I mean, he he'll know175701:56:49,709 --> 01:56:53,879its dynamic is to see in thiswith the dot well known and like175801:56:53,879 --> 01:57:01,289said, This is just This is alljust batting ideas around. The175901:57:01,499 --> 01:57:05,519dot well known thing, hecontrols it, so at any moment,176001:57:05,519 --> 01:57:10,349he can change it himself. Thenext time we check it, we'll see176101:57:10,349 --> 01:57:13,439the change and adjust our feetand adjust what we put back in.176201:57:14,909 --> 01:57:20,099And, yes, see, it's we're neverit's never a manual process.176301:57:20,099 --> 01:57:24,959It's, it's him setting thething, just like it's just176401:57:24,959 --> 01:57:29,549worse, just like Ellen URL,where you hit the you hit the176501:57:29,549 --> 01:57:33,059web, you hit the dot well knownand it dynamically creates a176601:57:33,389 --> 01:57:38,609creates a an invoice for you.Except in this instance, we hit176701:57:38,609 --> 01:57:42,719the dot well known every let'sjust say every 10 minutes and176801:57:42,929 --> 01:57:45,659see that, oh, the fee haschanged. And now we start176901:57:45,659 --> 01:57:48,659serving a different fee for thefor everything on this platform.177001:57:50,429 --> 01:57:52,709May not be a good idea. Butwell, how177101:57:52,709 --> 01:57:56,999does podcasts index? Where do weget? Is our fee hard coded in?177201:57:57,900 --> 01:57:59,970Our fee is always been hardcoded at 1%?177301:58:01,080 --> 01:58:03,600Yeah, but who's who takes itout?177401:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,710I don't know. It's honor system.It's, uh, anybody can do it. If177501:58:07,890 --> 01:58:11,790they don't even have to, thenyou have to do we just ask for177601:58:11,790 --> 01:58:11,910it.177701:58:12,360 --> 01:58:15,420Right? We asked for it. But whenthe API serves it up, if someone177801:58:15,420 --> 01:58:18,360doesn't, if someone has changedtheir value block in their feed,177901:58:18,390 --> 01:58:19,590they can take us out?178001:58:20,220 --> 01:58:23,700No, no, we always we insertourselves into it no matter178101:58:23,700 --> 01:58:29,640what. If they have us in it, wedon't insert ourselves. If they178201:58:29,640 --> 01:58:34,830don't have us in it, we insertourselves a 1%. And that's, so178301:58:34,860 --> 01:58:37,320it's just a diff. It's adifference between like, like178401:58:37,320 --> 01:58:41,280no, no agenda to may not be the,the perfect example. Because178501:58:41,280 --> 01:58:45,300you're right, he could just puta fee split in himself in the178601:58:45,300 --> 01:58:50,850XML. But you can imaginescenarios where there would be178701:58:50,850 --> 01:58:54,090other services, or maybesomebody just goes straight to178801:58:54,090 --> 01:59:00,240the page, or views the video.Maybe they just get a link to178901:59:00,240 --> 01:59:04,770the direct link to the mp4 andthey never see the feed. There's179001:59:04,770 --> 01:59:07,140all these scenarios you canthink of in the value for value179101:59:07,140 --> 01:59:13,770future where a dot well knownaddress to express a fee is179201:59:13,800 --> 01:59:14,820would be helpful.179301:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,220But it doesn't make anydifference if you just go to the179401:59:17,310 --> 01:59:20,850to the website and you'replaying without a value enabled179501:59:20,850 --> 01:59:24,900player doesn't matter. Who'spoor. No one pays for it then.179601:59:25,530 --> 01:59:28,890Yeah, but imagine a volume thatenabled me to imagine imagine179701:59:28,980 --> 01:59:33,630get out be Yeah. So get get lbyou have the extension in your179801:59:33,630 --> 01:59:39,510browser. And you go and watch avideo on no agenda tube.com with179901:59:39,510 --> 01:59:43,560a direct link to the mp4.There's no possibility to have180001:59:43,560 --> 01:59:47,490any metadata in that video thatit would express that. But what180101:59:47,520 --> 01:59:52,950if there's a dot well known URLscheme that would express this180201:59:53,040 --> 01:59:58,080this desire to to get Albea dotextension and get ABI check that180301:59:58,080 --> 02:00:03,330every time it goes to a URL, itcould check with the service and180402:00:03,330 --> 02:00:08,730say, Hey, do you do you watch?What's your fee rate? And then180502:00:08,730 --> 02:00:12,390it could display to the userwatching the video, you know,180602:00:12,390 --> 02:00:14,250hey, this service,180702:00:14,280 --> 02:00:17,490right, but you could get thatfrom that feed as well. And if180802:00:17,490 --> 02:00:22,080we, if we got a theme of fear,that's my problem.180902:00:24,480 --> 02:00:27,540Yeah, well, my good Albyexample, just second ago, there181002:00:27,540 --> 02:00:31,260was no feed and there was nofeed. It's a direct link to the181102:00:31,260 --> 02:00:35,640mp4. So imagine our signals aregood. And so I understand.181202:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,330But I still don't understandwhy, why this has why this,181302:00:39,990 --> 02:00:44,820there's, I'm not understandingwhat I think I'm hearing is you181402:00:44,820 --> 02:00:47,760want to make sure Alex gatesdoesn't get screwed on bandwidth181502:00:47,760 --> 02:00:52,560costs, I want to make sure thatwe're not trying to do stuff to181602:00:52,590 --> 02:00:59,490wrangle that into, you know,hosting is a very, very, very181702:00:59,490 --> 02:01:04,470complicated business. Forexactly these reasons. I don't181802:01:04,470 --> 02:01:07,800know if what you're proposing isgoing to solve this problem.181902:01:10,080 --> 02:01:13,830I'm, I'm making it confusing,because I'm really talking about182002:01:13,830 --> 02:01:18,180multiple things at once. So thatyou're correct. The first thing182102:01:18,180 --> 02:01:21,810I'm talking about is that Idon't want to see Alex get182202:01:21,810 --> 02:01:24,990screwed, or Alex or anybody elsethat runs a service like this,182302:01:25,530 --> 02:01:30,150get screwed because people beginto use their service. And it182402:01:30,150 --> 02:01:36,420gets popular, but most of themare not doing value for value. I182502:01:36,420 --> 02:01:41,190want them. People like Alex thatrun these services, to be able182602:01:41,190 --> 02:01:44,310to do their own value for value,no matter no matter what they182702:01:44,310 --> 02:01:44,850create. So182802:01:44,850 --> 02:01:47,910the first thing I would do is Iwould shut down the web access.182902:01:48,690 --> 02:01:51,570Because what's going to happenis exactly what already is183002:01:51,570 --> 02:01:55,380happening is Oh, free service.Let me upload my shit here.183102:01:56,070 --> 02:01:59,580That's exactly what happens. Soand why because oh, look, I can183202:01:59,580 --> 02:02:02,340watch it here. And I can watchmy live stuff here. First thing183302:02:02,340 --> 02:02:05,760I do is, Hey, you want to watchthese videos. This is for183402:02:05,760 --> 02:02:10,530podcasting. 2.0. Here's how itworks. Every feed has a x183502:02:10,530 --> 02:02:15,750amount, 20% fee, whatever youwant to call it. And if if you183602:02:15,750 --> 02:02:18,750don't want to receive your valuefor value, no problem we'll take183702:02:18,750 --> 02:02:22,020we'll take our 20% and we'lltake all 100% or whatever you183802:02:22,020 --> 02:02:25,500want. Here's how you adoptadopted, here's how you get a183902:02:25,500 --> 02:02:28,110wallet. Here's how you do allthese other things. We've got to184002:02:28,110 --> 02:02:31,320stop the free loading, thefreemium, the free loading184102:02:31,320 --> 02:02:35,100stuff, that's for advertising,if he wants to do advertising,184202:02:35,190 --> 02:02:39,210then you can give stuff away forfree. There's no free lunch. So184302:02:39,210 --> 02:02:41,910I don't even think he shouldhave the web interface open184402:02:41,910 --> 02:02:43,080right now at all.184502:02:44,190 --> 02:02:47,310Well, I mean, that's that's oneapproach. But then you but184602:02:47,310 --> 02:02:52,200there's still, there's still theidea. There's still the idea of184702:02:53,220 --> 02:02:57,960if I just take a direct link tothe mp4 video and send you a the184802:02:57,960 --> 02:03:00,840URL and you open it in yourbrowser, your browser is going184902:03:00,840 --> 02:03:04,500to play it No, I understand. Butthen there's no, there's185002:03:04,500 --> 02:03:07,950literally no way to find outwhat the value185102:03:07,950 --> 02:03:12,960from value is not just atechnology, it's a programming185202:03:12,960 --> 02:03:18,720concept. It's a monetizationmodel, you have to explain it to185302:03:18,720 --> 02:03:23,400your audience, you have to getthe audience to play along. You185402:03:23,400 --> 02:03:26,430can't just say, Okay, we'vewe've locked it all down, it's185502:03:26,430 --> 02:03:27,870going to work, it won't work.185602:03:29,190 --> 02:03:31,530Well, if that's the case, thenit won't work for platforms at185702:03:31,530 --> 02:03:31,950all.185802:03:32,790 --> 02:03:34,950Well, depends on what you mean,by platform,185902:03:35,610 --> 02:03:39,660we'll have a service like nogenitive, if, but because No, no186002:03:39,660 --> 02:03:45,750genitive can't express withinthe content that that idea?186102:03:45,930 --> 02:03:50,520Well, okay, but what you'resaying is, there's, there's a186202:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,730percentage of people who listento this very podcast on a186302:03:53,730 --> 02:03:56,850webpage on a shitty web pagethat comes out of my freedom186402:03:56,850 --> 02:03:59,310controller, and they just hitthe play button there and186502:03:59,310 --> 02:04:02,250they're not contributinganything. Right? I mean, that's186602:04:02,250 --> 02:04:10,050going to be 96 to 98% of allpeople. Right? So that's the186702:04:10,050 --> 02:04:13,230numbers that a service orplatform is going to be playing186802:04:13,230 --> 02:04:17,310with. Right? So the first the186902:04:17,310 --> 02:04:19,740first thing that's what I'mthat's what I'm saying we need187002:04:19,740 --> 02:04:20,460to capture187102:04:20,579 --> 02:04:22,769to be you. So you What do youwant to capture if someone187202:04:22,769 --> 02:04:27,749downloads the mp4? Understand,how would I want?187302:04:27,990 --> 02:04:35,070Yeah, what I want there to be away to do is to express is to is187402:04:35,070 --> 02:04:41,250for the service or the platformto express directly that there187502:04:41,280 --> 02:04:47,130is a value for value option. Andthat would be that would have to187602:04:47,130 --> 02:04:51,780be done through something likethis, since there is no feed in187702:04:51,780 --> 02:04:56,760that scenario. So that extentbrowser extensions and other in187802:04:56,760 --> 02:05:01,830other platform technologies havea way to get that information187902:05:01,830 --> 02:05:04,320that value for valueinformation. There's not since188002:05:04,320 --> 02:05:05,220there is no fee,188102:05:05,250 --> 02:05:09,720why is there no fee feed? Whenevery single? Why does it why188202:05:09,720 --> 02:05:14,130doesn't just every everything onno agenda tube have a feed? Why188302:05:14,130 --> 02:05:16,680wouldn't every account have afeed? I don't understand.188402:05:17,070 --> 02:05:19,860It does. But if somebody goesand clicks on the link, like188502:05:19,860 --> 02:05:23,670you're talking about on thewebpage, and that link happens188602:05:23,670 --> 02:05:30,300to go to no agenda tube, not tothe no agenda to web web player,188702:05:30,420 --> 02:05:33,180but the no agenda to mp4directly.188802:05:33,209 --> 02:05:38,549Yes. I understand that. So howdoes how does that get paid for?188902:05:39,300 --> 02:05:40,530That's what I'm trying to solve.189002:05:41,370 --> 02:05:44,640I don't understand how you'redoing it. So I have a direct189102:05:44,640 --> 02:05:47,880link to an mp4 to download it,which may or may not be189202:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,250something a lot of people do, Idon't know, sounds like189302:05:50,250 --> 02:05:52,350something someone would do ifthey want to circumvent189402:05:52,350 --> 02:05:58,710providing value. Then how how doyou express that so that there's189502:05:58,710 --> 02:06:00,180a fee, I don't understand189602:06:01,200 --> 02:06:05,730that you take your value block.And this is the idea. This is189702:06:05,730 --> 02:06:09,750the dot well known idea, youtake the value block converted189802:06:09,750 --> 02:06:13,500into something, you express itas JSON or some a note some189902:06:13,500 --> 02:06:18,690format, or he could save an XMLand XML and you put it at no190002:06:18,690 --> 02:06:26,040agenda tube.com/dot Well knownslash value for value. And it's190102:06:26,040 --> 02:06:29,400a file that lives there. Nowevery time let's just use the190202:06:29,400 --> 02:06:33,030idea of the get Alby extension,every time I go, and I watch a190302:06:33,030 --> 02:06:38,340video on no agenda to.comWhether it's from a direct link190402:06:38,340 --> 02:06:42,210to the media file, or on the webpage or anything like that. The190502:06:42,210 --> 02:06:46,350extension since it's a standard,the extension knows to check, no190602:06:46,350 --> 02:06:49,440agenda two.com/well known slashvalue for value.190702:06:49,830 --> 02:06:54,000Okay, so this is this is reallytrying to help out by giving190802:06:54,030 --> 02:06:58,050Alby something to use whenthere's no feed. Yes, that's not190902:06:58,050 --> 02:06:58,890podcasting.191002:07:00,000 --> 02:07:03,390Oh, yeah, no, but I mean,there's an Yeah, that's what I'm191102:07:03,390 --> 02:07:06,600saying. I'm saying two differentthings. I mean, there's the idea191202:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,330of trying to help out serviceswithin podcasts, then there's191302:07:09,330 --> 02:07:13,980also this bigger idea of tryingto have a way that value for191402:07:13,980 --> 02:07:17,730value can be expressed beyondjust podcasts.191502:07:18,240 --> 02:07:21,480Okay, thank you. That was thelead that I didn't understand.191602:07:21,750 --> 02:07:25,590I'm all for that. But it's not afeed. It's not podcasting. And191702:07:25,590 --> 02:07:29,100we have to question what we'redoing. Because if we're now are191802:07:29,100 --> 02:07:32,220we if we're going to be an indexfor value for value for all191902:07:32,220 --> 02:07:37,410types of other platforms andservices, very interested in it,192002:07:37,410 --> 02:07:38,640but it's not podcasting?192102:07:40,110 --> 02:07:43,680I won't. This is this was aninteresting experiment between192202:07:45,120 --> 02:07:48,150between me and Alex. And I thinkthat, you know, his main his192302:07:48,150 --> 02:07:51,420user base and stuff is so smallthat it's, it's fine. It's okay192402:07:51,420 --> 02:07:56,580to do this and play around. But,you know, if if this did involve192502:07:56,730 --> 02:08:03,270a, if this did evolve into astandard? I could see us. I192602:08:03,270 --> 02:08:05,640mean, it wouldn't make sense tosupport it if it was a known192702:08:05,640 --> 02:08:10,740standard. Just like your URL andURL or anything like that. Do192802:08:10,740 --> 02:08:15,300you agree with that? Or no.192902:08:18,540 --> 02:08:23,190I mean, so I would love thevalue for value standard to be193002:08:23,190 --> 02:08:26,700exactly that the value for valuestandard. And I think it's193102:08:27,150 --> 02:08:32,280totally relevant to figure out away to do that. But it's not193202:08:32,280 --> 02:08:36,240podcasting, podcasting. And Ijust got to be militant about193302:08:36,240 --> 02:08:39,870it, from my opinion. It's thefeed the feed is the source of193402:08:39,870 --> 02:08:44,490truth. So it's okay that we cando other things to solve, but193502:08:44,580 --> 02:08:47,880it's literally pulling peopleaway from podcasts, and we want193602:08:47,880 --> 02:08:51,510to bring them into apps. It'sgiving them a way to go outside193702:08:51,510 --> 02:08:57,450of apps. And I understand Imean, that for 15 years, I've193802:08:57,450 --> 02:09:01,350been doing value for value,maybe 4% actually contributes193902:09:01,350 --> 02:09:05,400value back the rest. Just takeand don't give anything that194002:09:05,430 --> 02:09:11,580That's the fact. We push a lotof data every single week and we194102:09:11,580 --> 02:09:15,960pay for it, you know, we have afixed price, because of the194202:09:16,020 --> 02:09:19,290crazy cash CDN that we use,which is basically part of the194302:09:19,290 --> 02:09:26,130downside. So you know, settingup a platform for value for194402:09:26,130 --> 02:09:32,460value is very interesting to me.Or, or making something that194502:09:35,340 --> 02:09:41,730that enables value for value.Outside of podcast apps for194602:09:41,730 --> 02:09:45,090platforms, it's of course, I'dlove to see that I think it's194702:09:45,090 --> 02:09:52,050way off mission for us. Okay,I'm not saying we shouldn't do194802:09:52,050 --> 02:09:54,900it. I just haven't beenconvinced what when, when we're194902:09:54,900 --> 02:10:02,730doing things outside of a feedthen We really do lose the195002:10:02,730 --> 02:10:08,430source of truth that everybodycan take a look at. You know, I195102:10:08,430 --> 02:10:11,820can go to an RSS feed, I can seeexactly what's going on. If it's195202:10:11,820 --> 02:10:16,890now an API. It just I don'tknow, it just doesn't feel195302:10:16,920 --> 02:10:20,760right. I understand where it'scoming from, though. I really195402:10:20,760 --> 02:10:25,650do. Because I also want video towork. And I don't want anyone I195502:10:25,650 --> 02:10:31,110want Alex to make money. Butanybody who provides this, but I195602:10:31,110 --> 02:10:33,840just don't know if this is theif this is the thing that195702:10:33,840 --> 02:10:38,370podcasts and 2.0 should bedoing. Or the pot pot, let me195802:10:38,370 --> 02:10:41,730put it this way, if that shouldbe folded into podcast index.195902:10:42,870 --> 02:10:50,490Right. Because I'd rather haveget Alby, you know, be used in196002:10:50,490 --> 02:10:56,220an app. Yeah, it can I196102:10:56,220 --> 02:11:01,800understand. I understand that.Yeah. Yeah, I'll take it. I196202:11:01,800 --> 02:11:08,910think there's, there's somebecause we did you know, because196302:11:08,910 --> 02:11:13,440we do, we do things that are notalways in the feed.196402:11:17,460 --> 02:11:18,360Such as196502:11:18,750 --> 02:11:24,420their whelming everything withwith LM pay, and, you know, and196602:11:24,420 --> 02:11:24,570all196702:11:25,200 --> 02:11:29,730that, but the value block is,okay, well, technically, you're196802:11:29,730 --> 02:11:32,970absolutely right, when it comesto when it comes to value block,196902:11:32,970 --> 02:11:37,230but I think ultimately, we'dreally love for, for a whole197002:11:37,230 --> 02:11:41,670bunch of reasons for that toalso be reflected in a feed. And197102:11:41,670 --> 02:11:45,300not not just something that westore, that's a shim. And now we197202:11:45,300 --> 02:11:49,890have another shim for somethingthat it's actually not even a197302:11:49,890 --> 02:11:54,780shim. It's, that's maybe whip somy objection comes from. It's197402:11:54,780 --> 02:11:57,960not a shim until the rest of theworld has value blocks in their197502:11:57,960 --> 02:12:04,230feed. There's no feed. Right?It's now just doing an197602:12:04,290 --> 02:12:10,230individual content. I don'tknow. All of a sudden, it197702:12:10,230 --> 02:12:11,670sounded like a business to me.197802:12:12,930 --> 02:12:15,420Just it's a good discussion. Andthat's why I wanted Yes. Well, I197902:12:15,420 --> 02:12:19,290wanted to bring it up to you.Because there's, there's198002:12:19,290 --> 02:12:25,080obviously ethics involved in anyethics, don't trouble me to the198102:12:25,080 --> 02:12:27,810ethics Don't trouble me toomuch. Because, again, I mean,198202:12:27,840 --> 02:12:31,170value for value is alwaysvoluntary. It's completely198302:12:31,170 --> 02:12:34,260voluntary. And if, if there's anextension in your browser that198402:12:34,260 --> 02:12:38,310pops up and says, Hey, thisvideo, you know, this nogen tube198502:12:38,310 --> 02:12:41,580supports value for value, do youwant to give them a fee for198602:12:41,580 --> 02:12:45,480watching this video? To me,there's nothing wrong with that.198702:12:45,480 --> 02:12:50,070No, no, it's not wrong at all.But the difference is, it's not198802:12:50,100 --> 02:12:57,420necessarily a podcast. Yeah. Soit's a value for me, dude, we198902:12:57,420 --> 02:13:02,220can tomorrow, we can start avalue for value index. I mean,199002:13:02,220 --> 02:13:07,200that's, that's a great idea. ButI think I think there'll be very199102:13:07,200 --> 02:13:13,020few platforms that will thatwill do this. And I still think199202:13:13,020 --> 02:13:18,420there's some, there's some weneed to think through what199302:13:18,420 --> 02:13:25,500exactly the way I know agendatube started as a an alternate199402:13:25,500 --> 02:13:28,050place, you can upload somevideos, and it's all kind of low199502:13:28,050 --> 02:13:32,340usage. Then we started talkingabout using the video aspect for199602:13:32,340 --> 02:13:37,110podcasts. And, you know, we knowhow the monetization for that199702:13:37,110 --> 02:13:43,290works. But now, it's now we'retalking about value for value199802:13:43,320 --> 02:13:50,100enabling platforms. I don't knowif we want to be a part of that.199902:13:51,750 --> 02:13:53,940I don't know that we want to bea part of that either. I'm not200002:13:53,940 --> 02:13:58,620going to disagree with that atall. I guess I see it as part of200102:13:58,650 --> 02:14:03,720the work. I see us beingassociated with things like this200202:14:04,140 --> 02:14:10,290with ways to push these thingsforward. Because we are you know200302:14:10,290 --> 02:14:14,340we're just like we're involvedin Alan Yarrow and trying to200402:14:14,340 --> 02:14:17,430make that better with in moresupportive of value for value200502:14:17,430 --> 02:14:21,030and increase and and we're, youknow, we're involved in a lot of200602:14:21,030 --> 02:14:26,280things outside of just purelypodcasting, just because they200702:14:26,280 --> 02:14:31,710are sort of tangential to thewhole idea of a value for value200802:14:31,710 --> 02:14:35,220world and stopping all the freeloading. So I can see as being200902:14:37,050 --> 02:14:40,920okay, value for value does notstop all the freeloading ever.201002:14:41,700 --> 02:14:44,280Again, the numbers are 4%201102:14:45,270 --> 02:14:48,930Right. We want the free.idealistically we want the201202:14:48,930 --> 02:14:51,600freeloading to stop. Freeloadouts are201302:14:51,690 --> 02:14:56,970right but we can only stop thefree loading in in the podcast201402:14:56,970 --> 02:15:04,800realm. I don't know. I, I can'tsay one way or the other, it201502:15:04,800 --> 02:15:07,560just doesn't feel right. We'realways talking about the source201602:15:07,560 --> 02:15:10,170of truth. And now we've justremoved the source of truth and201702:15:10,170 --> 02:15:16,890said, Okay, we'll do this foranything. Oh, yeah. I guess we201802:15:17,280 --> 02:15:20,190just it just seems outside ofour scope. That's all when201902:15:20,190 --> 02:15:24,360there's no feed, your anythingcould be, you know, me. You can202002:15:24,360 --> 02:15:28,170put almost anything. You got anescort service, put something202102:15:28,200 --> 02:15:32,010put make some content, and dowhatever you want to do. That's202202:15:32,010 --> 02:15:32,880a podcast.202302:15:34,800 --> 02:15:41,700Yeah. 100%? No, believe me. I, Iagree with you on on the fact202402:15:41,700 --> 02:15:46,800that as the index and add aspodcast index, our focus is202502:15:46,800 --> 02:15:52,320podcasts. And that that's wherewe that's the domain we stay in.202602:15:54,210 --> 02:15:58,440My only my only thing is that wealso are involved in other202702:15:58,440 --> 02:16:04,350things by by association. Imean, the same reason we go and,202802:16:04,410 --> 02:16:08,760you know, attend the lightninglabs roundtable. Sure, sure. Of202902:16:08,760 --> 02:16:12,450course, but and we're involvedin Alien URL L in URL. I mean,203002:16:12,450 --> 02:16:15,480that has nothing to do with ElonURL has nothing to do with203102:16:15,480 --> 02:16:19,500podcasting, per se, other thanthe fact that it's just it just203202:16:19,500 --> 02:16:23,670a happenstance that it comesinto play there. And that's what203302:16:23,670 --> 02:16:26,130I'm saying. I don't think it'sinappropriate for us to be203402:16:26,130 --> 02:16:29,100involved in trying to figure outhelp figure out solutions to203502:16:29,100 --> 02:16:34,560these problems. Even if we'renot involved in it directly by203602:16:35,190 --> 02:16:38,340saying, Okay, here we go. We'regonna support all of this stuff.203702:16:39,450 --> 02:16:44,220Where we, you know, we stay inthe podcast realm, but you know,203802:16:44,220 --> 02:16:46,200it is it is nice to some, Ithink we203902:16:46,769 --> 02:16:50,309both gonna, but we're notputting LIGHTNING, LIGHTNING204002:16:50,309 --> 02:16:53,219labs elements into the indexinto our database.204102:16:54,270 --> 02:16:58,110Sure. Yeah. Right. This stuffdoesn't even exist yet. And204202:16:58,110 --> 02:16:59,520blue, this is all an experiment204302:16:59,550 --> 02:17:04,920right now. Gotcha. And we'lltalk about this on the next show204402:17:04,920 --> 02:17:10,020is this is a conversation reallyworth having? Because it's a204502:17:10,020 --> 02:17:13,860really good one about how do wevalue for value enable the media204602:17:13,860 --> 02:17:18,810landscape. I'm just saying, Idon't think that's what podcast,204702:17:19,170 --> 02:17:24,780index and podcasting. 2.0 is, Ihave no problem. Working on it,204802:17:24,780 --> 02:17:29,580I believe me, I like making moremoney. I have lots of content204902:17:29,580 --> 02:17:37,020that is never monetized. But theplay that I understood was okay,205002:17:37,020 --> 02:17:43,260this would be great. We can dolive, we can do video, and we205102:17:43,260 --> 02:17:46,740value for value, enable it. Andmy personal recommendation would205202:17:46,740 --> 02:17:51,210be if you know, if you're notusing this for podcasting value205302:17:51,210 --> 02:17:56,400for value, then we're going totake the money, the platform,205402:17:57,150 --> 02:18:00,750here's how here's how you getyou know, outside of the 20% fee205502:18:00,750 --> 02:18:04,800that we take, here's how you doit. And no free loading on the205602:18:04,800 --> 02:18:08,820website. Not no website, youwant to watch these videos, get205702:18:08,820 --> 02:18:10,230one of these beautiful apps.205802:18:12,390 --> 02:18:17,250To me, See, to me, it feelsbetter, to instead of shutting205902:18:17,250 --> 02:18:22,920down the entire web interface,it feels better to design ways206002:18:22,920 --> 02:18:26,280to express to the user that whatthey're doing actually costs206102:18:26,280 --> 02:18:28,890money and ask them to help.206202:18:29,519 --> 02:18:34,619Right. But you're but you'redoing you're you're asking them206302:18:34,619 --> 02:18:38,729to help by saying, Oh, you canalso do it this way. With Alby.206402:18:39,119 --> 02:18:44,069No podcast necessary. Fine.Yeah, fine. But why does Why do206502:18:44,069 --> 02:18:47,669we have to be the ones? Thatshould? It? Should there be a206602:18:47,669 --> 02:18:50,369resource for that? Probably, I'mjust wondering if that should be206702:18:50,369 --> 02:18:50,789us.206802:18:51,810 --> 02:18:55,920The only reason it should beshould is not the right word.206902:18:55,920 --> 02:19:00,480The only reason it could and canbe us that has input on these207002:19:00,480 --> 02:19:06,570things, is that we care a lotabout it. And we're trying to207102:19:06,570 --> 02:19:11,100push the entire value for valuespace forward instead of just207202:19:11,460 --> 02:19:12,570you know Yeah, I mean,207302:19:12,600 --> 02:19:16,620I personally I like to push thepodcasting value for value space207402:19:16,620 --> 02:19:21,330forward. I really I mean thatsincerely. That's where my heart207502:19:21,330 --> 02:19:27,090is. And but there's a millionother what I mean, why not be207602:19:27,090 --> 02:19:30,480the Okay, we'll maintain thevalue block for your word Oh,207702:19:30,480 --> 02:19:36,090game. I mean, we can do all ofthat. But I just don't know if207802:19:36,090 --> 02:19:37,230that's what we should be doing.207902:19:39,930 --> 02:19:42,450I get you 100% Take your point.208002:19:44,430 --> 02:19:45,810Which means fuck you curry208102:19:47,010 --> 02:19:50,460does not mean that at all. No,it doesn't mean that at all. I208202:19:50,460 --> 02:19:56,400mean, I literally have in mynotes, you know, feeds value for208302:19:56,400 --> 02:20:00,960value. They have this the ethicsof a value block when no block208402:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,820exists in the feed that208502:20:03,899 --> 02:20:09,509that is the question. That's thequestion. Okay, well now I've208602:20:09,509 --> 02:20:12,539got stuff to think about. I alsohave exactly 30 minutes to post208702:20:12,539 --> 02:20:15,689produce and get on the roadbecause we are having dinner in208802:20:15,689 --> 02:20:22,139Austin tonight. You Yeah, youdid. Hey, don't mute yourself.208902:20:22,139 --> 02:20:26,429That's weird. Did your dog therewas your dog barking?209002:20:27,240 --> 02:20:29,430my notepad. I picked up mynotepad. I was sitting there209102:20:29,430 --> 02:20:32,190talking in my notepad had hit mymouse, but209202:20:33,180 --> 02:20:35,490yeah, don't mute don't mute.Everything's fine.209302:20:36,780 --> 02:20:39,030No, I had a big long soliloquy.You didn't even hear it?209402:20:39,060 --> 02:20:41,490No, I heard all of it. You wereonly muted for a moment. That209502:20:41,490 --> 02:20:45,780was good. Yeah. Okay. Okay, thisis good stuff to think about.209602:20:45,780 --> 02:20:48,060Now, I'm gonna have to sit inthe car for an hour and a half209702:20:48,060 --> 02:20:51,870and think about this. Because Isee the opportunity day I see209802:20:51,870 --> 02:20:57,360the opportunity. The one thing Ilearned from Steve Jobs, my big209902:20:57,360 --> 02:21:02,310takeaway is the following keysaid, Adam, we as a company, we210002:21:02,310 --> 02:21:06,840say no more than anything. Sowhat do you mean? So we just210102:21:06,840 --> 02:21:11,250want to do what we have set outto do really well. And we try to210202:21:11,250 --> 02:21:14,730stay away from everything else,because the experience shows210302:21:14,730 --> 02:21:19,380that it just turns out to be adistraction. See, Apple TV.210402:21:22,950 --> 02:21:24,570Makes sense? Perfect sense.210502:21:25,380 --> 02:21:28,350So that's so that's where that'swhere this is coming from at a210602:21:28,350 --> 02:21:34,110deeper level. Making value forvalue work for the entire world.210702:21:34,380 --> 02:21:40,170Of course, I'd love it. But youknow, it's like, we can only do210802:21:40,170 --> 02:21:45,240so much. And there's so much todo in our realm that you know,210902:21:45,240 --> 02:21:49,020when I look at stacker news,well, that was fun for three211002:21:49,020 --> 02:21:54,300seconds until everyone you know,doesn't do it anymore. And the211102:21:54,300 --> 02:21:59,610reason is, it's not the fullvalue for value loop. Right it's211202:21:59,640 --> 02:22:02,130you can't just say ittechnically I've got it How come211302:22:02,130 --> 02:22:05,490it's not working? Well, becauseyou need as a as a creator, you211402:22:05,490 --> 02:22:08,820need to do some work. You needto get people to understand that211502:22:08,820 --> 02:22:12,420you need to onboard your people.You need to explain to them how,211602:22:12,480 --> 02:22:17,730you know, the nuances of it. Thethere's so much to do. It's not211702:22:17,730 --> 02:22:21,870just it's not like programmaticads. Hey, reminder, watch this211802:22:21,870 --> 02:22:26,880ad because you know it's a biglift.211902:22:28,650 --> 02:22:30,390big lift. Yeah.212002:22:31,050 --> 02:22:33,330I feel like going out on adowner. This isn't just that212102:22:33,330 --> 02:22:35,190doesn't feel good. No, I've212202:22:35,190 --> 02:22:36,330got an ISO. Okay.212302:22:38,010 --> 02:22:41,310All right. Is it the one theonly one you have212402:22:41,310 --> 02:22:43,410here? Yes, it is the only one212502:22:43,560 --> 02:22:49,740damn, who were you talkingabout? Up? Brother To be212602:22:49,740 --> 02:22:52,920continued Next Friday. What doyou say? Yeah, let's do it.212702:22:53,190 --> 02:22:55,050We'll see you then. Everybody.Take212802:22:55,050 --> 02:23:15,720care. You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 to visit podcasts212902:23:15,750 --> 02:23:24,030index.org for more information.Pew pew pew pew