Episode 89: Poll Juice

100:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,270podcasting 2.0 for June 10 2020to Episode 89 Look out for the200:00:06,270 --> 00:00:12,720poll juice Hello, everybody,Friday once again time to run300:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,400down what's going on inpodcasting, 2.0 land, the400:00:17,400 --> 00:00:24,840podcasting 2.0 a sphere.Podcasting 2.0 space, meaning500:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,930everything that's happening withthe API things in podcast600:00:27,930 --> 00:00:32,340index.org Well, of course thepodcast standards, the namespace700:00:32,340 --> 00:00:35,160and everything happening atpodcast index dot social. I'm800:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,830Adam curry here in the heart ofthe Texas Hill Country in900:00:37,830 --> 00:00:41,310Alabama. the go to guy for allyour seed dumps my friend on the1000:00:41,310 --> 00:00:45,150other end, ladies and gentlemen,Mr. Dave Jones,1100:00:46,049 --> 00:00:49,589left that lifelong dream to beknown as the gap for all your1200:00:49,589 --> 00:00:50,399seed dumps.1300:00:50,670 --> 00:00:57,030the go to guy for all yourseats. Well, here's the heart.1400:00:57,450 --> 00:01:00,630Well, you know, here's what I dois like, I gotta have a cool or1500:01:00,630 --> 00:01:04,410snappy opening for Dave. Like,go to the mastodon look at1600:01:04,410 --> 00:01:07,350anything you're working onrecently. Like, okay, can I make1700:01:07,350 --> 00:01:10,170something out of this and youweren't gonna give someone a C1800:01:10,170 --> 00:01:15,600dump? So I thought there you go.He's the go to guy for the sea1900:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,200jumps.2000:01:16,590 --> 00:01:22,890Just a little you know, the prosjust on the fly make. I just2100:01:22,890 --> 00:01:25,500make crap up all the time. Thewords don't make any sense.2200:01:25,530 --> 00:01:25,950There's2300:01:26,790 --> 00:01:29,160what is the sea dump even? Imean,2400:01:29,550 --> 00:01:33,270I don't even know I mean, likeit's just I just made that up.2500:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,130Good one. Yeah, thanks.2600:01:35,610 --> 00:01:41,130The show is lit everybody. Weare live. If and oh, yes, I can2700:01:41,130 --> 00:01:43,830tell we're live because we'rewe're getting some booster grams2800:01:43,830 --> 00:01:44,340already.2900:01:45,870 --> 00:01:48,870I'm tired. Oh, really? Yeah.3000:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,250I'm sorry.3100:01:50,790 --> 00:01:55,800Well, Alex gates kept me up tilllike one o'clock in the morning3200:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,960last night with play he got meaddicted to the no agenda to3300:02:00,960 --> 00:02:07,410block stream and I was freeingthem and desktop and I mean, I3400:02:07,410 --> 00:02:09,510was I was like a YouTuber lastnight.3500:02:09,690 --> 00:02:13,350I can I can predict the emailsyou're going to get very soon.3600:02:14,340 --> 00:02:19,650It goes like this. Hi, I havehacked your computer. I have I3700:02:19,650 --> 00:02:24,960have access your webcam. And,and I saw what you are doing you3800:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,760need to pay me $5,000 inBitcoin, when I will expose your3900:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,190dirty things you're doing infront of your webcam4000:02:32,640 --> 00:02:33,870to all of your family.4100:02:35,910 --> 00:02:40,080I love those emails. I'm alwayslike, I'm always like, Hey, can4200:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,780you be paying me go aheadpublish it. It's great stuff.4300:02:42,810 --> 00:02:44,160Nothing embarrassing here.4400:02:44,550 --> 00:02:47,670Have you gotten any of them inthe mail? Like actually physical4500:02:47,670 --> 00:02:51,060mail? Oh, no, those are good.You've gotten one of those. Oh,4600:02:51,060 --> 00:02:53,520somebody at the office go wentand brought it to me and he was4700:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,520like, man, what is this? That'swhat is a letter?4800:02:56,550 --> 00:02:59,580That's next level. That's nextlevel. That's next level. That's4900:02:59,580 --> 00:03:01,200because that that would probablymake you feel5000:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,830like oh shit. Yeah, guys likenext level? Yeah. Next level.5100:03:04,889 --> 00:03:09,089It's Next Level Level SIOP?Fantastic. That's a good one.5200:03:09,510 --> 00:03:14,280No, I mean, it was fun. I usedobs and created a channel on5300:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,510nodes into tube and all thatstuff. I should do it now. Shut5400:03:18,510 --> 00:03:19,080to do it now.5500:03:19,859 --> 00:03:26,189Well, yeah, go ahead. And let melet me say something. You only5600:03:26,189 --> 00:03:31,559say something. Because I had anexperience today that I can't5700:03:31,559 --> 00:03:35,969get out of my head. And it hasto do with audio versus video.5800:03:37,319 --> 00:03:44,759And so this morning, I got aping from Sam Sethi. He wanted5900:03:44,759 --> 00:03:49,589to talk about something. So wehop on a video chat. Now I've6000:03:49,589 --> 00:03:53,339been listening to pod LAN. I'vebeen listening to Kirtland and6100:03:53,339 --> 00:03:56,969Sethi for, I don't know, twoyears, maybe when did that thing6200:03:56,969 --> 00:03:58,709start has been around forever.Right?6300:03:59,460 --> 00:04:01,890They started shortly after wedid two years. Okay, right.6400:04:01,890 --> 00:04:02,160Yeah.6500:04:03,990 --> 00:04:08,640And so we're talking and hestopped and he starts talking6600:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,370about something and I say, Igotta interrupt you for a6700:04:11,370 --> 00:04:16,860second. My brain cannot wraparound the voice. I've been6800:04:16,860 --> 00:04:21,570hearing the image in my mind ofwhat you look like, and what you6900:04:21,570 --> 00:04:26,670actually look like. And it eventook me I would have to say a7000:04:26,670 --> 00:04:32,280good 10 minutes before Irealized. Samsung says I think7100:04:32,280 --> 00:04:36,480he's he's Asian, I think fromIndia, probably. I think he's7200:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,720Indian here. Yeah, yeah. Becauseyou know, if you say Pakistani,7300:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,480and it's the other way around. Imean, you can really, you can7400:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,630really hurt yourself. Now, I'mpretty7500:04:45,630 --> 00:04:46,800sure. Yeah.7600:04:47,190 --> 00:04:53,970And so but my brain was not evenseeing this. And I'm like, holy7700:04:53,970 --> 00:04:58,620crap. This he it was like, itwas a surreal experience. It was7800:04:58,620 --> 00:05:00,780a little bit jarring. I mean,he's the head So man, don't get7900:05:00,780 --> 00:05:03,570me wrong. I mean, you got it.Sam says he's a good looking8000:05:03,570 --> 00:05:08,520guy. Sure. Yeah, you can saythat. No, he's8100:05:09,809 --> 00:05:14,369a highly highly attractive manthat's across the line,8200:05:14,849 --> 00:05:21,989maybe maybe went a little toofar on that. And, and so I had8300:05:21,989 --> 00:05:25,589to tell her about he said hefelt similarly, and I've seen8400:05:25,589 --> 00:05:29,339his little icon on, you know,around in the, in the person8500:05:29,339 --> 00:05:34,589tag. And this voice to me, Ijust saw like this nerdy kind of8600:05:34,619 --> 00:05:39,959British kid, you know, blondetuft of hair, you know, just I8700:05:39,959 --> 00:05:42,839had this whole different image,and then I and then, you know,8800:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,319so not that at all, to theafter, after we're done talking.8900:05:47,099 --> 00:05:52,979I go back to listening to podland. And I, it's the other guy.9000:05:52,979 --> 00:05:55,979It's not Sam Sethi, who I justtalked with is this guy who9100:05:56,009 --> 00:05:59,339who's been with me for twoyears. And that's the image9200:05:59,369 --> 00:06:01,169honestly, I want to keep.9300:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,280So you're you're forcing thenerdy British kid into your9400:06:05,280 --> 00:06:05,490head.9500:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,450No, no, the nerdy British kid isin my head. There's no room for9600:06:09,450 --> 00:06:11,190handsome Sam Sethi.9700:06:12,630 --> 00:06:15,330Yeah, that's right. This isreally weird. So9800:06:15,450 --> 00:06:23,250I'm just saying that I believethat there's a mystique. And the9900:06:23,250 --> 00:06:26,730audio to audio. Yeah, and I'mnot quite sure. So that's why if10000:06:26,730 --> 00:06:29,730I do something live streamingI'll show like my hands on the10100:06:29,730 --> 00:06:32,160you know, the mixer orsomething, something that's a10200:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,730little interesting, but just toshow me nah, I mean, I and I, to10300:06:38,910 --> 00:06:41,910be honest about it. It's I havethe same with you at the same10400:06:41,910 --> 00:06:46,920with lots of people. So go aheadand live stream and ruin the10500:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,180dream for everybody10600:06:48,569 --> 00:06:49,529down doing it right now.10700:06:51,150 --> 00:06:54,000Of course you're Yeah. Anyway,10800:06:54,060 --> 00:06:58,140I mean, like, the scissors arein full effect. So I mean, hold10900:06:58,140 --> 00:07:01,170on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.There they are.11000:07:03,510 --> 00:07:06,960Those are Wednesday scissors. Iknow this is dribs sent these to11100:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,160me. Those are those are verysmall scissors snip your snip11200:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,680snip yours. Yeah,11300:07:14,220 --> 00:07:16,920yeah, that's scissors baby rightthere.11400:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,980It's a man as man saw scissorsare here. Now it's fun, though.11500:07:22,980 --> 00:07:25,950It's fine. I mean, I had a goodtime just playing around with11600:07:25,950 --> 00:07:26,400it. And11700:07:26,879 --> 00:07:31,799so now we need to just have thatwork in some apps, because they11800:07:31,799 --> 00:07:37,289have the M eight m you file orwhatever it is the that you can11900:07:37,289 --> 00:07:42,659put right into into your feed.And then app should be able to12000:07:42,659 --> 00:07:45,359show it correct. As far12100:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,900as I know. That's yeah, I mean,that's that's the way I12200:07:48,900 --> 00:07:50,220understand it. Okay, yeah.12300:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,190Are there any apps that can eatthis live video feed from na12400:07:56,190 --> 00:07:59,280tube? And most importantly, arethey web torrent?12500:08:00,540 --> 00:08:05,280Well, I think pod verse cancurial caster, I think should be12600:08:05,310 --> 00:08:09,810able to do it as well. I mean,anything that can take an mp412700:08:09,810 --> 00:08:15,750stream should be able to consumeit and I think pod verse I think12800:08:15,810 --> 00:08:20,490I think Mitch sent out a betatoday that has it has video with12900:08:20,490 --> 00:08:21,540a live stream support it.13000:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,170Alright, so if you're using OBS,why don't I just connect you13100:08:25,170 --> 00:08:28,980know what? I've got stream yardall set up. Stream yard is13200:08:28,980 --> 00:08:34,110pretty cool. What does that do?I guess it's like, like a squad13300:08:34,110 --> 00:08:37,560cast or any of these things, youknow, so you can basically it13400:08:37,560 --> 00:08:42,570has some rudimentary tools fordoing live with multiple video13500:08:42,570 --> 00:08:46,620sources, except it's all just inthe web browser and your CPU13600:08:46,620 --> 00:08:49,380isn't grinding to a halt as OBStends to do.13700:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,330Me and I need to take a look atthat to make sure that I'm not13800:08:55,260 --> 00:08:58,920destroying myself. You don'thear the Fandi? No, there's no13900:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,140okay, well, I'm good then. Wedon't hear the fancy two. H talk14000:09:04,140 --> 00:09:04,350because14100:09:04,560 --> 00:09:08,280I don't mind showing somethingwhy I just don't want to14200:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,840personally it's like I don'twant to I want to hug mo but I14300:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,770don't really maybe I can do itblindfolded. I have an image of14400:09:16,770 --> 00:09:18,810that guy and you do to everyonedoes.14500:09:19,650 --> 00:09:23,610Oh yeah, you've never met me Oh,I don't I had the image I have14600:09:23,610 --> 00:09:28,260of Mo is is I don't I want thatimage. I don't I don't ever want14700:09:28,260 --> 00:09:30,630to meet him in person. Seebecause I want that image.14800:09:30,660 --> 00:09:36,960This is why it's very I don'tknow. I I'm an audio first guy14900:09:36,990 --> 00:09:40,200for a moment. First audio first.Just the way it is.15000:09:42,870 --> 00:09:43,890Crater first.15100:09:44,490 --> 00:09:45,960Here crater first guy15200:09:47,010 --> 00:09:50,07040 Nam I'm below 40% on Zapier.I'm good.15300:09:50,340 --> 00:09:55,950Okay 20,000 SATs from Brandosellers go podcasting 33,003 3315400:09:55,950 --> 00:10:00,210from blueberry who is promotinghis behind the schemes This15500:10:00,210 --> 00:10:05,280coming Sunday. You troll withme. Um, oh yes, I know.15600:10:05,820 --> 00:10:11,490I know. I'm HoH the rounds.15700:10:12,030 --> 00:10:16,500Good. I was like, we're so tiredof curry and everyone loves Dave15800:10:16,500 --> 00:10:20,910because he talks so calm the endhe has a great way of explaining15900:10:20,910 --> 00:10:22,980things. Not like curry16000:10:25,980 --> 00:10:32,940No, it's It's funny like I havemy I have to adapt to the tenor16100:10:32,940 --> 00:10:35,970of the show in question. Youknow, I'm a shapeshifter.16200:10:39,090 --> 00:10:42,540Okay, why don't we get theobvious out of the way? Every16300:10:42,540 --> 00:10:47,310single podcast is talking aboutSpotify, Spotify, let's talk16400:10:47,310 --> 00:10:48,630about Spotify.16500:10:49,230 --> 00:10:52,110Okay, Spotify. Ah, so bestbutterfly.16600:10:54,150 --> 00:10:56,790You brought the clips. So Ifigure you have some some16700:10:56,790 --> 00:10:58,980starting point in mind. I onlyhave an opinion.16800:11:00,330 --> 00:11:04,620Oh, okay. Let me see. Let mesee. This is the this is the16900:11:04,620 --> 00:11:09,090tricky part of live streamingyour desktop and your camera is17000:11:09,090 --> 00:11:13,170you have to take you have towhen you go into the deep dark17100:11:13,170 --> 00:11:16,770secrets of of the way you doshow you have to disable your17200:11:16,770 --> 00:11:19,560desktop. So people can see yoursecrets.17300:11:19,950 --> 00:11:23,880Oh, yes. Yeah, there issomething to that. Yeah. And17400:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,020people. You know, I've postedpictures. And people have17500:11:28,020 --> 00:11:32,520triangulated the view outside topinpoint my exact location.17600:11:32,940 --> 00:11:33,960That's creepy.17700:11:35,669 --> 00:11:37,649People do it all people do it.17800:11:37,799 --> 00:11:42,539Yeah. Well, let's see if this isthis is the fun part where I try17900:11:42,539 --> 00:11:46,049to figure out what my clips are.Because I got a bunch of them.18000:11:46,319 --> 00:11:50,309But they see. Yeah, the thingthat I immediately know of18100:11:50,309 --> 00:11:54,119course, there's there's like twoparts to this. At least, I think18200:11:54,119 --> 00:11:57,209Well, I think there's actuallymore parts to it. But the two18300:11:57,209 --> 00:12:02,399that hit me where there's likethere's there's the RSS part.18400:12:02,459 --> 00:12:07,979Yes, exactly. Yeah. And thenthere's the the anchor part18500:12:09,659 --> 00:12:12,209around anchors, numbers and thatkind of thing.18600:12:15,029 --> 00:12:16,049What are you doing?18700:12:16,860 --> 00:12:18,960I had to grab my pad of paperoff the18800:12:19,380 --> 00:12:21,720ground. This noisy when18900:12:22,980 --> 00:12:27,690I'm a noisy guy. So the soanchor, the one thing is oh19000:12:27,690 --> 00:12:30,450wait, let me preface it bysaying this. One thing has19100:12:30,450 --> 00:12:39,390always been strange to me aboutanchor and that's that they tend19200:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,190something that has never made alot of sense in my head. Anchor19300:12:44,190 --> 00:12:51,150tends to just have thiscompletely hands off approach in19400:12:51,150 --> 00:12:57,390some ways. And then in otherways. They are extremely strict.19500:12:57,660 --> 00:13:03,090Like they're they seem to bevery strict with music like they19600:13:03,090 --> 00:13:08,310do I don't think they allow anymusic at all I think it's just a19700:13:08,310 --> 00:13:11,190blanket thing like you can'thave a music podcast on anchor19800:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,670at even if you own all therights all that kind of stuff19900:13:14,670 --> 00:13:18,570doesn't matter she can do sothere's things like that20000:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,890the course of course they arethat because the mothership has20100:13:22,890 --> 00:13:25,680all the licenses and they gottabe real careful about that. That20200:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,360makes sense. In in20300:13:27,359 --> 00:13:31,529but there's other things likepodcast piracy, do Nia cloning20400:13:31,529 --> 00:13:33,359feeds? No, because20500:13:33,359 --> 00:13:37,619they have no they don't theydon't give a shit. They don't20600:13:37,619 --> 00:13:38,819care about other people.20700:13:39,299 --> 00:13:44,459One of the things that one pi,you can you can go through the20800:13:44,459 --> 00:13:48,659anchor list of feeds. I mean, ittakes 30 seconds to find 1020900:13:48,659 --> 00:13:52,859feeds that are complete absolutegarbage. So one of them I found21000:13:53,039 --> 00:13:57,269the Eau de it was just lookedlike somebody had just like,21100:13:57,719 --> 00:14:00,749pounded on their QWERTY keyboardfor a second to make the title.21200:14:01,259 --> 00:14:04,649And then the episode was onesecond long. There's only a21300:14:04,649 --> 00:14:08,459single episode and it was onesecond long. And that was a live21400:14:08,489 --> 00:14:11,249that was a live podcast inanchor and you could listen to21500:14:11,249 --> 00:14:17,279it in Spotify, or one second ofit. Yeah. So this may so some of21600:14:17,279 --> 00:14:21,299what they said about anchor mademade open, made some things I21700:14:21,299 --> 00:14:26,189didn't understand makes sense.And the thing that makes sense21800:14:26,189 --> 00:14:36,629to me now is that anchor as apodcast platform exists only to21900:14:36,659 --> 00:14:39,419increase Spotify as in a hugenumber.22000:14:41,039 --> 00:14:46,649For for Wall Street to report.Yes, yeah, sure. In fact, that22100:14:46,649 --> 00:14:49,379example you just gave wouldn'tsurprise me if there are22200:14:49,379 --> 00:14:51,089companies that will do thingsfor you.22300:14:52,590 --> 00:14:56,940Oh, yes, yeah, create accounts.I bet you're exactly.22400:14:56,970 --> 00:15:00,720They're very busy right now withTwitter, creating Your Workouts?22500:15:01,919 --> 00:15:07,979Yeah, well, I found two podcaststhat were each have one episode.22600:15:09,089 --> 00:15:14,729Each were roughly eight minuteslong, and five to eight minutes22700:15:14,729 --> 00:15:22,229long. And they had no it wasjust one guy reading a few22800:15:22,229 --> 00:15:29,459minutes of a book. That's all itwas. And it was the same guy who22900:15:29,459 --> 00:15:32,819had created to it was you couldtell him his exact voice exact23000:15:32,819 --> 00:15:36,599cadence, everything wasidentical, same style, to23100:15:36,599 --> 00:15:40,019different accounts, twodifferent two different feeds,23200:15:40,589 --> 00:15:44,189completely named differentthings. And he was just reading23300:15:44,189 --> 00:15:45,929pieces of of a book.23400:15:46,289 --> 00:15:52,559That's, that's a scam. And I waspoint firmly at an inside job.23500:15:53,429 --> 00:15:54,509Think so? Yeah. Okay, of23600:15:54,510 --> 00:15:59,160course. Or, you know, just likethere are people who have entire23700:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,370cell phone walls, who aredownloading their own, you know,23800:16:02,370 --> 00:16:07,050streaming their own music onSpotify for profit. And for23900:16:07,050 --> 00:16:12,360other people, for record labels.There's I'm sure that this is24000:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,100also there for companies toknow, is here's how it goes.24100:16:17,100 --> 00:16:20,850Okay, we need some more users.We need 10 thought I've I have24200:16:20,910 --> 00:16:25,860witnessed these purchasespersonally. Not not exactly this24300:16:25,860 --> 00:16:29,460one. Because instead of we neednew user accounts, it's we need24400:16:29,460 --> 00:16:34,590new user accounts. And there hasto be some audio in there. Yeah,24500:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,160it's got to be you're uncoveringsomething very good here.24600:16:39,450 --> 00:16:45,300So we're just going by what theysaid in in the investor day.24700:16:45,330 --> 00:16:45,690Yeah. And24800:16:45,690 --> 00:16:49,620this is an investor deck. Sowhat they say here is important24900:16:49,620 --> 00:16:53,070has fiduciary responsibilitytype shit written all over it?25000:16:53,820 --> 00:17:01,770Yeah. And what they said wasanchor. timing is impeccable.25100:17:01,950 --> 00:17:06,420Sorry, let me see. No, no, no,you're fine. As the anchor,25200:17:06,450 --> 00:17:09,240let's, let's do Spotify oneanchor numbers.25300:17:09,690 --> 00:17:14,130Now, think about how far we'vecome. In just under four years,25400:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,540we've gone from having virtuallyno podcasts on platform to being25500:17:18,540 --> 00:17:22,950a global leader in the market.So put this in perspective. When25600:17:22,950 --> 00:17:27,330anchor joined Spotify in 2019.There were fewer than 500,00025700:17:27,330 --> 00:17:32,040podcasts on the platform. Today,there are over 4 million and25800:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,740anchor powers more than 75% ofthem.25900:17:38,490 --> 00:17:41,970Wow, that's interesting to have4 million all of a sudden,26000:17:41,970 --> 00:17:42,540really,26100:17:43,140 --> 00:17:46,800those numbers check out to me. Ibelieve that I believe that. I26200:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,530believe both of those numbersthat she said are exactly26300:17:49,530 --> 00:17:51,720accurate, if you so it's just26400:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,430a coincidence. That's our numberto26500:17:56,850 --> 00:18:00,750Earth after I would say so Ithink it's a fairly I think it's26600:18:00,750 --> 00:18:02,130a coincidence. I don't thinkit's any but26700:18:02,130 --> 00:18:05,700they have 4 million podcasts ofwhich a large percentage is26800:18:05,730 --> 00:18:06,390junk.26900:18:07,530 --> 00:18:09,630For they have it we have in the27000:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,450I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.Do you mind if I just listened27100:18:12,450 --> 00:18:16,830to that again? Please, because Iwant I want to listen for you27200:18:16,830 --> 00:18:21,360know, as a lawyer, I want tolisten to the exact verbiage you27300:18:21,360 --> 00:18:22,080use there.27400:18:22,590 --> 00:18:27,030Now, think about how far we'vecome. In just under four years,27500:18:27,060 --> 00:18:31,440we've gone from having virtuallyno podcasts on platform to being27600:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,850a global leader in the market.So put this in perspective. When27700:18:35,850 --> 00:18:40,230Ankur joined Spotify in 2019.There were fewer than 500,00027800:18:40,230 --> 00:18:44,940podcasts on the platform. Today,there are over 4 million and27900:18:44,940 --> 00:18:47,640anchor powers more than 75% ofthem.28000:18:50,940 --> 00:18:56,220Okay, so the discrepancy here isplatform she uses that. It could28100:18:56,220 --> 00:19:02,070be as at one point confused asthe anchor platform, you would28200:19:02,070 --> 00:19:05,610expect it to be seen as anentire ecosystem since they28300:19:05,610 --> 00:19:09,480bought it that that Spotify playout on the anchor creation side28400:19:09,510 --> 00:19:17,520is the platform which means thatthey probably have about well,28500:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,520they're probably missing about 3million podcasts that we have28600:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,450and they're the rest of their 4million is filled up with anchor28700:19:24,450 --> 00:19:24,960junk.28800:19:27,330 --> 00:19:37,290We show it so we only show2,483,357 anchor feeds you hear28900:19:37,290 --> 00:19:42,060that analysts. Now but but thatthat's not the full story. So29000:19:42,060 --> 00:19:46,380what she said was 4 million. Andlet's just say that 4 million29100:19:46,380 --> 00:19:52,830straight up and 75% of those areon Anchor. That means 3 million29200:19:52,830 --> 00:19:58,620would be an anchor. So I thinkand I would guess that we don't29300:19:58,620 --> 00:20:01,170have every single show but Ithink We're close. So let's just29400:20:01,170 --> 00:20:02,130go. Let's just go ahead the29500:20:02,130 --> 00:20:05,430ones that are the ones that aregood. You mean of the RSS feed?29600:20:05,430 --> 00:20:08,400Yes. Because we chuck out allthe bullcrap.29700:20:08,850 --> 00:20:11,250Now the ones that we chose, ifyou take out all the ones we29800:20:11,250 --> 00:20:15,030killed, which you don't meet ourminimum quality criteria, we've29900:20:15,030 --> 00:20:20,250only got 1.8 million. There yougo. So if just being generous30000:20:20,250 --> 00:20:28,350and saying there's 2.52 point 5million, assuming that there are30100:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,120some that we don't have, I'llI'll grant that maybe we're30200:20:33,150 --> 00:20:35,190there. Maybe there's a few 1000We don't have but I think we're30300:20:35,190 --> 00:20:41,100really close. Those are RSSfeeds. Now they disabled default30400:20:41,100 --> 00:20:44,100RSS feed creation now. So realinitial now when you get on30500:20:44,100 --> 00:20:48,330Anchor, you're not you don't getan RSS feed automatically. This30600:20:48,330 --> 00:20:50,430has been since last end of lastsummer.30700:20:50,489 --> 00:20:55,139Oh, but yet those so thosepodcasts with the JFK JFK, and30800:20:55,139 --> 00:20:59,129then a book read, they do haveRSS enabled obviously,30900:20:59,190 --> 00:21:03,360some of them do. Yes, I bet youthere's so so I bet you the31000:21:03,360 --> 00:21:07,050discrepancy between the 2.5million we show in the 331100:21:07,050 --> 00:21:11,490million, she says is the onesthat don't have RSS feeds.31200:21:11,580 --> 00:21:14,670This kind of tells me thatthey're going for a marketing31300:21:14,670 --> 00:21:21,960and market strategy of saying,we have the most seems that way.31400:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,500Which is really lame, because,well, no, actually it is. I31500:21:25,500 --> 00:21:31,410mean, it's just it's, yeah, youhave the most on platform. But a31600:21:31,410 --> 00:21:34,500lot of them are shit than justare on platform and are just a31700:21:34,500 --> 00:21:36,540number for Wall Street.31800:21:37,259 --> 00:21:41,309It's about the if Spotify toit's about the M AU.31900:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,879And those millions of showsbeing published to Spotify from32000:21:44,879 --> 00:21:48,479anchor are often being made byfirst time creators to get no32100:21:48,479 --> 00:21:51,269kidding. As those creators maketheir content. They share it32200:21:51,269 --> 00:21:54,899with their friends and familyoff platform. And the results.32300:21:55,199 --> 00:21:59,969On average, every new anchorshow brings 2.5 additional MOU32400:21:59,999 --> 00:22:03,749to Spotify. And between anchorand our other hosting platform32500:22:03,749 --> 00:22:08,879megaphone. Spotify powered showsaccount for 45% of all podcasts32600:22:08,879 --> 00:22:12,119assumption on platform is blah,blah,32700:22:12,120 --> 00:22:16,050blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.Well, but but she just said, all32800:22:16,050 --> 00:22:19,530those people share off platform.Really?32900:22:20,460 --> 00:22:23,220Yeah. And so then every time soevery time there's a new anchor33000:22:23,220 --> 00:22:27,420show. There's what she says ison average, there's two and a33100:22:27,420 --> 00:22:31,590half new ma you Ah, right,Spotify ecosystem. So33200:22:31,590 --> 00:22:34,620that's, that's their metricright there. It's a magic money33300:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,500machine, you create a feed youget you get three people.33400:22:38,010 --> 00:22:40,260Yeah, it just they just appearout of nowhere. You get three33500:22:40,260 --> 00:22:42,090people from from here that poof33600:22:42,900 --> 00:22:47,610and one of those three people isyou listening to the to the damn33700:22:47,610 --> 00:22:48,270book read,33800:22:49,170 --> 00:22:53,730I can promise you that there'sthere are at least 10 or 1233900:22:53,730 --> 00:22:56,820dozen anchor shows that I'm theonly person who's ever listened34000:22:56,820 --> 00:23:01,260to. And I promise I will promiseyou that. Like that's, that's34100:23:01,260 --> 00:23:08,250what an anchor exists to anchoris there to produce millions of34200:23:08,250 --> 00:23:13,530podcasts in order to drive theMCU number as high as possible34300:23:13,620 --> 00:23:18,000for investors. I think you'reright. I think you know, that's34400:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880the role it plays in whetherwhether or not these things are34500:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,940garbage. It whether or notthey're one second and no34600:23:23,940 --> 00:23:26,280content is completelyirrelevant.34700:23:26,340 --> 00:23:27,510What did they pay for anchor?34800:23:28,830 --> 00:23:31,470Who I don't know, it's a goodquestion. I think I used to34900:23:31,470 --> 00:23:32,130know, but I don't35000:23:33,900 --> 00:23:41,640know. I'll look it up realquick. It was a lot more than I35100:23:41,640 --> 00:23:48,930have. Yeah, no price gimlet was230.35200:23:50,100 --> 00:23:51,270They paid 239.35300:23:52,710 --> 00:23:59,760That's that's the word. Yeah.Oh. Money here. Here's what I35400:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,890don't understand, though. Youyou, I mean, I don't if you have35500:24:04,890 --> 00:24:09,030these numbers, but they claimthey made $250 million on35600:24:09,030 --> 00:24:13,980podcasting, I think is what Iheard tonight, and we'll get to35700:24:13,980 --> 00:24:21,060they lost $100 million. How canI add that must be that must be35800:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,400overall that must be overallright.35900:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,710I guess what, I guess what theypaid what they paid out to Rogen36000:24:28,710 --> 00:24:30,690and taking markdowns for buyingstuff. And36100:24:31,170 --> 00:24:34,140was that explained? I don'tthink that was explained. No, I36200:24:34,140 --> 00:24:35,370don't think so. It doesn'tmatter.36300:24:36,030 --> 00:24:42,660I mean, our criteria to beclear. So we have we have a36400:24:42,660 --> 00:24:46,950criteria that we apply to tofree podcast host. So if you're36500:24:46,950 --> 00:24:51,330not a paid host, and you you'reyou're purely a free host, we36600:24:51,330 --> 00:24:59,820apply a filter, a purge filterto you that runs that runs like36700:24:59,820 --> 00:25:06,990mo A couple times a week, justto clean out stuff. One of the36800:25:06,990 --> 00:25:10,950things that does so so it looks,it looks for these criteria, if36900:25:10,950 --> 00:25:15,600something's a 404, it removes itmarks, it is dead. Some of some37000:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,680other things. One, the specialcriteria that gets applied to37100:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,360them is to the free host is ithas to have at least three, the37200:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,630show has to have at least threeepisodes that that accommodates37300:25:27,630 --> 00:25:33,090a trailer and a single episode.So if you have to have at least37400:25:33,090 --> 00:25:39,450three, the trailer, and then twoactual episodes, of which one is37500:25:39,450 --> 00:25:47,040five minutes or longer. So thatthat weeds out this bottom37600:25:47,070 --> 00:25:52,200basement level, garbage. Andthat's been really, really37700:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,250accurate. So usually, if you goin there in one does not fit37800:25:56,250 --> 00:25:58,620that criteria, I spot check itall the time just to make sure37900:25:58,650 --> 00:26:02,130we're not overtly killing goodstuff. And I've never seen a38000:26:02,130 --> 00:26:05,490kill anything good is that yougo in there, and you it's always38100:26:05,490 --> 00:26:09,120stuff like what I just describedearlier. And and there's just38200:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,620hundreds of 1000s of those thatget created when you have a free38300:26:13,620 --> 00:26:18,210open to everybody hostingcompany. So we it's it's sort of38400:26:18,210 --> 00:26:23,100like playing, playing selfdefense on our part, you know,38500:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,500because I don't want to I mean,we're, we're the podcast index,38600:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,260we're not the anchor index. Andso if anchored, decided, you38700:26:28,260 --> 00:26:30,900know, if five years from now, ifthey have 10 million shows of38800:26:30,900 --> 00:26:33,960which 9 million are this kind ofgarbage? I mean, I don't want to38900:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,510host all that, that are nothosted that I don't want to39000:26:36,510 --> 00:26:39,210index all that because it's justall crap. So39100:26:40,049 --> 00:26:43,799the bottom line is reallyimportant. That in our opinion,39200:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,779it looks like spot exactly whatyou said. Anchor is only to jack39300:26:48,779 --> 00:26:54,389up the ma us and is scammy atbest.39400:26:55,710 --> 00:26:59,190Yeah, I would say that where weknow, I would say that it feels39500:26:59,190 --> 00:27:03,120like a big game. It does. Itjust feels like something's39600:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,310being gamified. And well,39700:27:05,310 --> 00:27:07,470yeah, Wall Street. What do youthink Wall Street this39800:27:08,910 --> 00:27:09,900feels like to me? Well,39900:27:10,410 --> 00:27:13,860I want you to clip this and, andmake sure analysts see this.40000:27:13,980 --> 00:27:15,240Hey, Jim Cramer?40100:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,660Yeah, yeah. Now let's40200:27:18,660 --> 00:27:21,150get on to the future and whyit's so bleak for them.40300:27:21,690 --> 00:27:28,440The RSS part? Yeah. So let'sjust go ahead and listen to40400:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,430Spotify three,40500:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,210with that critical mass of bothcreators and consumption in the40600:27:33,210 --> 00:27:36,480same ecosystem, we're able to dosomething that has not been40700:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,440possible in nearly 20 years,actually innovating on the40800:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,060podcast format itself.40900:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,380Yeah. All right. I won't giveyou my entire opinion. But I41000:27:49,380 --> 00:27:54,930will say overall, what she hadto say here, about RSS41100:27:54,930 --> 00:27:59,580specifically, about the podcastindustry, the people who've41200:27:59,580 --> 00:28:06,000worked in IT for 20 years, andwho have built this was rude and41300:28:06,000 --> 00:28:12,000stupid. Rude, because you justdissed a lot of people. Yeah,41400:28:12,030 --> 00:28:13,830and I don't know, if sheunderstands that. I don't know41500:28:13,830 --> 00:28:18,870if she has the background toeven make a statement like that.41600:28:19,650 --> 00:28:23,310But it was rude. It was justsaying, oh, you know, 20 years41700:28:23,310 --> 00:28:27,900all this stuff up. We were ableto do this, you know, my my41800:28:27,900 --> 00:28:32,970initial reaction. Even if Iwasn't doing podcasting, 2.041900:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,320still having been involved,obviously, in the creation of42000:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,330podcasting, but fuck you, lady,who are you? And that, but then42100:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,320to add insult to injury, we'llget to the stupid part later.42200:28:47,190 --> 00:28:50,670She says that they've added somethings that have never been 2042300:28:50,670 --> 00:28:54,960years. Well, we can at leastmake it 18 years since we've42400:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,510been doing this for almost twoyears now. So it's also a42500:28:57,510 --> 00:28:59,670blatant lie. Yeah.42600:29:00,210 --> 00:29:03,240And, and some of the stuff thatwe've some of the things we've42700:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,430done have been purely new. Butsome of the stuff we've done42800:29:05,430 --> 00:29:09,270have also just been takingthings that were tried before42900:29:09,270 --> 00:29:13,110and making them and pushing theminto some over some sort of43000:29:13,110 --> 00:29:17,700milestone or finish line. Thingsthings like I mean, some of the43100:29:17,730 --> 00:29:21,720namespace tags are stuff thatblueberry tried to do with the43200:29:21,750 --> 00:29:25,650raw voice namespace years ago.And they just never, it was43300:29:25,650 --> 00:29:29,070always it was always them. Andit had to be an independent43400:29:29,070 --> 00:29:32,220voice doing it. Some of the youknow, some of the things were43500:29:32,370 --> 00:29:36,720just things that were just beingused between Buzzsprout and and43600:29:36,750 --> 00:29:40,440in a single podcast app. Andagain, we took that off that43700:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,120single platform and made it intoa into a general thing so that43800:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,360people wouldn't be scared off.But to me, like there has been43900:29:48,750 --> 00:29:54,030attempts to do a lot of thethings, a lot of innovation over44000:29:54,030 --> 00:29:57,870the years that were hindered,not by RSS had nothing to do44100:29:57,870 --> 00:30:04,920with RSS. It was Paul Multicsmostly. And that was one of our44200:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,570benefits. One of the benefits ofthis project is that we, we44300:30:09,780 --> 00:30:13,620leapfrog the politics and gotabove it to a certain extent, so44400:30:13,620 --> 00:30:16,800that people could stop beingconcerned about competition and44500:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,280just care about the technology.And a lot of the in wood that44600:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,400resulted in was rapid innovationin our space44700:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,970in the US. And the reason forthat is we have an incentive we44800:30:26,970 --> 00:30:30,420have from the get go andincentive model that everybody44900:30:30,450 --> 00:30:33,540can get a piece of the action,something Silicon Valley45000:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,540companies, particularly Spotifydon't want to do.45100:30:37,650 --> 00:30:40,590Yeah, I mean, it doesn't helpdoesn't help them know what45200:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,200their business model is. You doall the work. We take all the45300:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,020money. Thanks. It's theirbusiness model.45400:30:46,230 --> 00:30:48,090Yeah, that's the Max Keiser,yes.45500:30:49,350 --> 00:30:51,330The business model. Yeah.45600:30:51,780 --> 00:30:57,120So she says that this like, it'sin the next clip, and clip four,45700:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,640she says that this book, becauseof their superior position,45800:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,800they've done thing this, thesethings that have not been45900:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,800possible in 20 years thatthey've been able to create a46000:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,440truly superior product who thinkabout46100:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,070it. Podcasting has been aroundfor almost two decades, and it's46200:31:14,070 --> 00:31:16,950remained largely unchanged.Mainly because of the46300:31:16,950 --> 00:31:21,990limitations of RSS. We've beenable to replace RSS for on46400:31:21,990 --> 00:31:24,840platform distribution, whichmeans that podcasts created on46500:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,900our platform are no longer heldback by this outdated46600:31:27,900 --> 00:31:32,130technology. This has opened up anew world of opportunity to add46700:31:32,130 --> 00:31:34,920features and formats to thepodcast listening experience46800:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,700that have never been possiblebefore. So Spotify is now not46900:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,760only differentiated by ourcatalogue of content, but also47000:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,210by delivering a truly superiorproduct for podcast listeners47100:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,140and creators.47200:31:46,380 --> 00:31:50,040Okay, so what is her name?47300:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,010It's hard to pronounce. It's, Ithink it's my or something.47400:31:56,490 --> 00:31:56,940Okay.47500:31:58,260 --> 00:32:03,150This will be on her tombstone.And this is this is the stupid47600:32:03,150 --> 00:32:07,680part this is the stupid part ofwhat she I don't know if this is47700:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,710all coming from her she theproduct lead? Is she in charge47800:32:10,710 --> 00:32:11,820of the development or47900:32:11,819 --> 00:32:15,779she she has a long title that Ican't remember? Like, so so48000:32:15,780 --> 00:32:18,720far so far. So far, we have noidea what we're talking about.48100:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,190We're gonna criticize heranyway.48200:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,430Yeah, yeah. Not not having anyidea what I'm talking about48300:32:23,430 --> 00:32:25,620never stopped me from criticizeshistory48400:32:25,620 --> 00:32:36,120shows RSS based ecosystems orwhatever you want to call it48500:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,080platforms, communities thatsomeone tries to centralize48600:32:40,530 --> 00:32:46,440fails. And I would say Googlewas probably the best example.48700:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,240This was no blog, RSS. Theycouldn't make money, they could48800:32:51,240 --> 00:32:59,400not make money off of GoogleReader. And, of course, they48900:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,550didn't have control over any ofthat content, which is, you49000:33:02,550 --> 00:33:05,790know, that that goes hand inhand. So they so once they had49100:33:05,790 --> 00:33:09,030grown it big enough, theydecided you know, fuck that we49200:33:09,030 --> 00:33:12,420can do this. Shut it down. Andwas a Google Plus that they came49300:33:12,420 --> 00:33:12,960up with.49400:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,880Yeah, that's another product isBuzz, Google Buzz, but also49500:33:17,880 --> 00:33:24,060Twitter. Twitter started as, asa you know, basically a huge49600:33:24,060 --> 00:33:27,450platform for RSS that's what itwas initially based. I think49700:33:27,450 --> 00:33:30,750that they had RSS for a lot andthey had even had RSS feeds of49800:33:30,750 --> 00:33:33,750Twitter feeds. I remembersubscribing to them. Yeah,49900:33:33,750 --> 00:33:38,700totally. And in that case,technically it just did not50000:33:38,700 --> 00:33:43,710scale. So you know, there's thehistory shows that there's50100:33:43,710 --> 00:33:48,060something about the free natureof the content created in an RSS50200:33:48,060 --> 00:33:54,150feed. And its its necessity tobe accessible everywhere. That50300:33:54,150 --> 00:33:57,870just trying to harness thatcontent by saying oh, you know,50400:33:58,110 --> 00:34:01,710RSS that's fine but come overhere this is better. Because50500:34:01,710 --> 00:34:04,230that's the next step. Obviously,you know, they they want50600:34:04,230 --> 00:34:08,760everyone to come to anchor andcreate your Spotify. Your50700:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,890Spotify ready, podcast there.And somehow they believe with a50800:34:13,890 --> 00:34:18,390reported you know, 2025 Dependson who you talk to. 25 I don't50900:34:18,390 --> 00:34:23,610care if they're 50% of themarket. That the day can suck it51000:34:23,610 --> 00:34:27,360all in and they can be thepeople who are really that's why51100:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,360you know, they're all thingsaudio you come here for your for51200:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,320your audio books, you come herefor your your music, you come51300:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,340here for your podcast, and thisby itself is a very limited51400:34:38,340 --> 00:34:43,620thought scheme. Look at Netflix.This is where your ma us come51500:34:43,620 --> 00:34:47,280in. Because you're not going tobe the only person with content.51600:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,090You're not going to be the onlystreamer here. Ultimately your51700:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,780you silly Swedes you're notgoing to be the only all audio51800:34:54,780 --> 00:34:59,220platform forever. That's that'sjust not happening. The what51900:34:59,220 --> 00:35:02,580they don't see II, this is like10. I'm sure the next clip we'll52000:35:02,580 --> 00:35:07,650get deeper into it. It'sappropriate to say podcasting.52100:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,280The analogy would be, it wasdoing great. It was black and52200:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,570white television. And along camea bunch of nerds and engineers52300:35:15,570 --> 00:35:19,980and misfits. And we went click,click like, oh, shit, look, now52400:35:19,980 --> 00:35:22,260we're broadcasting inTechnicolor, and look with main52500:35:22,260 --> 00:35:28,680TV sets. And Spotify comes alongand said, our TV set is52600:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,830superior. So it comes down towhat are the so called creators52700:35:34,830 --> 00:35:39,690going to do? And how is Spotifygoing to manage that incredible52800:35:39,690 --> 00:35:45,030influx of bullshit? And the factthat everybody wants? This is52900:35:45,030 --> 00:35:48,630just the nature of RSS.Everybody wants that their their53000:35:48,630 --> 00:35:51,270podcast to be availableeverywhere. Are they going to53100:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,530start outputting crippled feeds?I mean, there's nothing sounds53200:35:55,530 --> 00:36:01,080like like a good like a goodidea. Basically, RSS is the53300:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,380giraffe. You don't fuck with thegiraffe? Because it couldn't.53400:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,660Have you ever? Have you everseen a giraffe? giraffe?53500:36:10,890 --> 00:36:13,470The giraffe. Okay, caught me offguard that they53600:36:13,470 --> 00:36:16,860want to name the giraffe afterme at the Amsterdam Zoo. So I53700:36:16,860 --> 00:36:20,070went to go see, that's a story.So I went to see Adam the53800:36:20,070 --> 00:36:24,510giraffe, you know, the photo upbefore the zoo opened? You know,53900:36:24,510 --> 00:36:27,090it was cool, right? I was doinga morning show that was a whole54000:36:27,090 --> 00:36:29,490tie in for the zoo. And youknow, it's one of those things,54100:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,630literal mornings.54200:36:31,740 --> 00:36:37,650For real. And so we go therewith the crew. Right? And so54300:36:37,650 --> 00:36:41,100we're just walking around, andit's a cute little giraffe. And54400:36:41,220 --> 00:36:43,830we're walking through thesestables you know, you can just54500:36:43,830 --> 00:36:47,730like a stable where you can feedthe animals and the back is54600:36:47,730 --> 00:36:50,610obviously open because the draftis what 30 feet tall, whatever.54700:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,130And then there's the mother. AndI'm like, Oh, this is cool. So I54800:36:56,130 --> 00:36:58,800get my my producers, hey, take apicture. I'm gonna go and so I54900:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,000stand in between, in front ofthe draft in between his legs.55000:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,730So my head is about probablyabout the not even the top of55100:37:08,730 --> 00:37:11,220the giraffes, you know wheretheir shoulder would be, I55200:37:11,220 --> 00:37:15,510guess. And you know, and hisneck is sticking way out. And55300:37:15,570 --> 00:37:22,680taking pictures and, and the andone of the giraffe. People draft55400:37:22,860 --> 00:37:25,410comes around the corner seesthis happening and has this55500:37:25,410 --> 00:37:31,830horrified look, it says no,don't move. To what don't move,55600:37:32,250 --> 00:37:37,530move very slowly walk veryslowly towards me, as I did as55700:37:37,530 --> 00:37:42,240commanded, of course so and theysaid you have no idea. The draft55800:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,020looks like it like a calm beastthat's prehistoric, you get the55900:37:46,020 --> 00:37:50,130reference. But if you make thewrong move, it can slice you in56000:37:50,130 --> 00:37:54,690half. It's It's It's lakes cango up vertically and around it56100:37:54,690 --> 00:37:59,550can do like a kung fu whirlywind and slice into bits. So56200:37:59,550 --> 00:38:06,840that's what RSS is. So go aheadmake my day Spotify at me, I'm56300:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,150glad that we're getting theblock tag in because I'm going56400:38:09,150 --> 00:38:13,830to be an active promoter if, ifyou know Spotify. So do you want56500:38:13,830 --> 00:38:16,710control over your content?Anybody who first of all, if56600:38:16,710 --> 00:38:19,140you're if you're on Spotify, youalready gave them complete56700:38:19,170 --> 00:38:23,940ownership. They can do whateverthey want. In the USA, you can56800:38:23,940 --> 00:38:27,810get advertising, you know whatKentucky bourbon wild turkey56900:38:27,810 --> 00:38:30,750whatever, you know, they can dowhatever they want. You know,57000:38:30,930 --> 00:38:34,260and and here's the number onething podcasters and I will57100:38:34,260 --> 00:38:37,230promote this. If they keep goingon this track and we get the57200:38:37,230 --> 00:38:40,740blog tag. The number one placewhere they get their advertising57300:38:40,740 --> 00:38:44,040is from the following sentence.Go ahead and subscribe to us on57400:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,880Apple Spotify or wherever youget your podcasts. Yeah, and57500:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,760you're gonna start omittingSpotify, you're gonna say don't57600:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,700get on Spotify, those guys arerude and stupid.57700:38:58,530 --> 00:39:00,930So on a on a technical and57800:39:00,930 --> 00:39:04,830they're selling your data fromyour RSS feed to over 100 data57900:39:04,830 --> 00:39:09,390brokers. They're selling youraudience to data brokers, over58000:39:09,390 --> 00:39:14,940100 of them receive informationon your audience. Oh, really?58100:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,650James Christian said so.58200:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,300Oh, I believe that that? Yeah, Ididn't know that. Of course.58300:39:21,300 --> 00:39:22,650It's attribution.58400:39:22,890 --> 00:39:25,260This isn't what it's all about.They don't give a shit about58500:39:25,260 --> 00:39:28,470your podcast experience. Theywant to sell you your listeners,58600:39:28,470 --> 00:39:29,760your audience. Ah.58700:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,510Well, they talked about that. Idon't think I clipped it but58800:39:33,510 --> 00:39:36,480they did talk about that thatyou know, with traditional RSS.58900:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,670You want to be more intimatewith your audience and know your59000:39:38,670 --> 00:39:43,050audience better so No, it reallysay that. Yeah. And so they were59100:39:43,050 --> 00:39:45,120like, you know, creators wantmore connection with their59200:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,510audience in in the past withRSS, you know, that outdated59300:39:48,510 --> 00:39:52,170technology. They all you couldget was an IP address.59400:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,930Oh, hey, wait for your luck. Oh,okay. So what they're saying is59500:39:54,930 --> 00:39:56,160no interactivity.59600:39:57,390 --> 00:40:00,000Well, yeah, I think they werebuilding it that way, but59700:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,340They're probably mean it's likewe just know a whole lot more59800:40:02,340 --> 00:40:05,490about about these people becausewe just were all up in their59900:40:05,490 --> 00:40:09,240car. And we're I mean, we knoweverything they do. We don't60000:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,670just know an IP address. We knoweverything about them, because60100:40:11,670 --> 00:40:13,260they're actually signed in.Yeah,60200:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,370that's great. We'll do it ifpeople who I mean, this show is60300:40:17,370 --> 00:40:21,150not on Spotify, not on my showsare on Spotify. I've had to60400:40:21,210 --> 00:40:25,890continue to have to police them.Because some someone pirates are60500:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,770one of my feeds, and they go upthere if there's no, if you're60600:40:28,770 --> 00:40:31,530listening to this podcast onSpotify, let me know it has to60700:40:31,530 --> 00:40:32,190go away.60800:40:33,150 --> 00:40:42,750RSS. RSS is RSS is not a it'snot a protocol. It's not a60900:40:42,750 --> 00:40:45,180platform. It's not a technology.It's a61000:40:45,180 --> 00:40:46,410dream. It's61100:40:47,820 --> 00:40:50,520It is a beautiful dream andfield.61200:40:52,349 --> 00:40:57,929Hold on way, way, way, way, way.Where is it? I don't have it.61300:40:59,399 --> 00:41:02,219Nevermind, I'm sorry. No, I'mtoo late on the draw61400:41:02,610 --> 00:41:10,230RSS. RSS is a data deliveryformat. That's what it is. It61500:41:10,230 --> 00:41:16,350doesn't matter what that datadelivery format would have been61600:41:16,350 --> 00:41:25,200within podcasting. Like it's, inone sense. In one sense, RSS is61700:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,950critical to podcasting. Inanother sense, it's completely61800:41:28,950 --> 00:41:33,960irrelevant. So it it's it'scritical, because it's there.61900:41:34,230 --> 00:41:39,810And it's the standard that we'veall adopted. It's irrelevant, in62000:41:39,810 --> 00:41:44,370the sense that of what it is.It's just a day to delivery62100:41:44,370 --> 00:41:51,420format. It could have easilybeen yaml, JSON, tamo, CSV, it62200:41:51,420 --> 00:41:57,150could have been any, any format.Hello, HTML,62300:41:57,210 --> 00:42:03,900can I mean, someone just putthis in the chat. JS? RSS is off62400:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,750platform? I mean, that's thebranding right there. By62500:42:06,750 --> 00:42:11,220definition, by definition, it'soff platform. Exactly. Yeah. But62600:42:11,250 --> 00:42:16,830it's just an as a sort ofaccident of history. That that62700:42:16,830 --> 00:42:22,440RSS was the thing that was thatwas the syndication format of62800:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,370choice. At the moment, when youhad the idea for including the62900:42:26,370 --> 00:42:29,760enclosure, it could have beensome other format, and that63000:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,010would have been fine. So I mean,our RSS is the thing we have,63100:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,840and it's fine, it does its jobfine. So you ask what is its63200:42:39,840 --> 00:42:47,430job? Its job is to describe aset of criteria to up to an app63300:42:48,120 --> 00:42:54,090to decide to describe a bunch ofdata about a podcast episode to63400:42:54,120 --> 00:42:59,040an application. And in that job,it does it perfectly well and63500:42:59,040 --> 00:43:05,580perfectly fine. It RSS was neverthe sole piece of of the puzzle63600:43:05,580 --> 00:43:10,050when it comes to podcasting. Thethe open podcast ecosystem has63700:43:10,050 --> 00:43:15,720always relied on on a set or astack or, or whatever you want63800:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,800to call a stack of protocols tomeet it relies on XML, which I63900:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,150mean RSS itself relies on XML,it relies on mp3 compression.64000:43:25,290 --> 00:43:27,810There would have been no nopodcasting. Without it. I mean,64100:43:27,810 --> 00:43:33,900everything served over HTTP.Every RSS is just one. It's a64200:43:33,900 --> 00:43:40,500critical component of the stack,but only because of the fact64300:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,660that it was there at thebeginning. And that's what we've64400:43:42,660 --> 00:43:52,050adopted. So to to, to say thatanything RSS quote unquote,64500:43:52,050 --> 00:43:57,240can't do is somehow, like alimitation on what the open64600:43:57,240 --> 00:44:01,320podcast ecosystem itself can do.Well is not is not right.64700:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,800It's arrogance. And I do wanteveryone to know we do have our64800:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,190guest, patiently waiting andwe'll bring him in momentarily.64900:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,220It's just I didn't expect for usto go this long about this65000:44:11,220 --> 00:44:16,050topic, but it deserves it. Ifyou look at the analogy, that65100:44:16,050 --> 00:44:20,670let's just call radios, radiostations, that transmitters. We65200:44:20,670 --> 00:44:23,040don't need no stinkingtransmitters, but Buzzsprout has65300:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,620a transmitter Lipson has atransmitter bluebirds, a65400:44:25,620 --> 00:44:30,240transmitter transistors,everyone's a transmitter. The65500:44:30,270 --> 00:44:35,040just cast is a transmitter thesignal they send out into the65600:44:35,070 --> 00:44:41,580ether is the RSS feed. Yeah,it's a signal and that signal is65700:44:41,580 --> 00:44:46,140there for anybody the conceptinitially is for anybody to pick65800:44:46,140 --> 00:44:54,810up into then resolve you know toturn into into sound that it's a65900:44:54,810 --> 00:45:00,120radio as basically a radioreceiver. Any any company is Who66000:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,170has the arrogance? To think thatbecause they build a better66100:45:04,170 --> 00:45:12,030radio that therefore they'regoing to win are idiots? Yeah,66200:45:12,630 --> 00:45:16,800they're idiots. I mean, I'msorry. It makes no business66300:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,870sense. And it's very arrogant tothink that they can own they can66400:45:21,900 --> 00:45:25,590own stuff. And by claiming they,Oh, we have 4 million on66500:45:25,590 --> 00:45:30,840platform. It's incrediblyarrogant, short sighted. And I66600:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,780mean, I can't, I can't say it'scultural, because man, the66700:45:33,780 --> 00:45:38,430Swedes, they do hokey shit likeAbba and it's successful for 10066800:45:38,430 --> 00:45:42,510years. So that's hard. That'sthat's a really lame one because66900:45:42,510 --> 00:45:47,250they actually music wise. Swedenhas some of the the the most67000:45:47,250 --> 00:45:49,230success. I won't say the best,but the most successful67100:45:49,230 --> 00:45:54,270songwriters and pop music today.But it's just arrogant to think67200:45:54,270 --> 00:45:59,970that your radio because youknow, view and in addition, this67300:45:59,970 --> 00:46:02,310has never worked. This hasalways been this always been the67400:46:02,310 --> 00:46:06,900strategy. Sony will own CBS,we're going to own that we're67500:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,390going to own the production andthe movie theaters and the67600:46:09,390 --> 00:46:13,980televisions and the radios andthe cameras. And how Sony doing?67700:46:14,850 --> 00:46:19,620Yeah, you just can't do it all.And if anyone could have done67800:46:19,620 --> 00:46:25,740this, Mr. Analyst, Jim Cramer?Why wouldn't Apple have done it?67900:46:26,610 --> 00:46:29,370Those guys had the radio for 20years,68000:46:30,150 --> 00:46:34,140exclusively almost. I mean, italmost is not not entirely68100:46:34,170 --> 00:46:37,890clearly, but almost exclusively,they owned it for a while.68200:46:40,230 --> 00:46:46,110So in a big way, so. So anyonewho goes to Spotify, thinking68300:46:46,110 --> 00:46:48,600they have to use god, yeah, Idon't care. Do whatever you68400:46:48,600 --> 00:46:48,990want.68500:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,510Yeah. Well, you want to round itout spot. Yeah, that last clip?68600:46:54,690 --> 00:46:55,200Yeah, sure.68700:46:56,099 --> 00:46:59,099Another way we've been able toinnovate on the format. We've68800:46:59,099 --> 00:47:01,199made podcasts more interactive,68900:47:01,289 --> 00:47:05,999the format. we've iterated onthe format, oh, this is great.69000:47:05,999 --> 00:47:06,329We've69100:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,750been able to innovate on theformat. We've made podcasts more69200:47:09,780 --> 00:47:13,740interactive, finally enabling adeeper, more intimate connection69300:47:13,740 --> 00:47:17,700between creators and their fans.Man, one of our favorite things69400:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,550about podcasting is the uniqueconnection it enables between69500:47:20,550 --> 00:47:21,780creators and listeners.69600:47:21,810 --> 00:47:25,500By the way, when you say fans,it's so denigrating towards an69700:47:25,500 --> 00:47:29,340interactive process. If you'retalking about interactivity,69800:47:30,090 --> 00:47:34,110these people are doing somethingother than being fans. So what69900:47:34,110 --> 00:47:36,540kind of interaction Do you haveother than Can I be your70000:47:36,540 --> 00:47:40,200groupie? Can I get a signature?These are fans.70100:47:40,469 --> 00:47:42,989They don't have fans. We havedevelopers that everybody's70200:47:42,989 --> 00:47:44,429developing this show. Yes.70300:47:44,460 --> 00:47:47,190One of our favorite things aboutpodcasting is the unique70400:47:47,190 --> 00:47:50,160connection it enables betweencreators and listeners. It's70500:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,630intimate posts, voices aredirectly in listeners ears. But70600:47:54,630 --> 00:47:58,740until now, podcasting has been aone way street. Creators publish70700:47:58,740 --> 00:48:02,640shows and their audienceslisten. Traditionally, RSS has70800:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,090been limited to anonymized,aggregated analytics. And even70900:48:06,090 --> 00:48:08,910those are limited to what can bedetermined from IP addresses.71000:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,450Because of these limitations,fans have never had a good way71100:48:12,450 --> 00:48:14,700to reach their favorite creatorsdirectly. Oh,71200:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,750oh, oh my God. They can't useemail. They haven't figured out71300:48:21,750 --> 00:48:25,890how to use email. Oh, no, wecan't leave a comment anywhere.71400:48:25,890 --> 00:48:27,900We Oh, no. What?71500:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,490That's MDM that's mal does missthis and Mal information71600:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,120that is not true. Well, there'sall kinds of things that are not71700:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,420true.71800:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,970Because of these limitations.Fans have never had a good way71900:48:38,970 --> 00:48:42,090to reach their favorite neveractually never, but now never,72000:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,290never at all. Our first way ofaddressing this was with q&a and72100:48:46,290 --> 00:48:48,840polls, both texts, that can be72200:48:48,900 --> 00:48:50,580q&a and polls,72300:48:51,420 --> 00:48:53,100just bringing the house down72400:48:54,389 --> 00:48:57,689to q&a and polls, both textbased questions that can be72500:48:57,689 --> 00:49:00,389posed by the show's creators andsurface to listeners in the72600:49:00,389 --> 00:49:01,199Spotify app.72700:49:01,619 --> 00:49:04,649Hey, I want to ask you aquestion. Do you like my show as72800:49:04,679 --> 00:49:12,869a yes to No. Three? Kind offour? No pinion. Oh, and by the72900:49:12,869 --> 00:49:17,969way, what are those polls forthose polls, I would wager that73000:49:17,969 --> 00:49:20,789that data goes right into thesame funnel that sends73100:49:20,789 --> 00:49:23,879everything off to the databrokers, we get more, you're73200:49:23,879 --> 00:49:29,189actually you're rude to yourfans, you're selling your fans73300:49:29,189 --> 00:49:29,699out.73400:49:30,540 --> 00:49:33,840These interactive features makeit easy for listeners to engage73500:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,180with the people behind theirfavorite podcasts, and for73600:49:36,180 --> 00:49:39,450creators to hear from theiraudience directly on Spotify.73700:49:40,530 --> 00:49:43,380These features are available nowto all anchor creators around73800:49:43,380 --> 00:49:46,260the world. There it is. We'veheard from many creators that73900:49:46,260 --> 00:49:49,710q&a and polls have been crucialin helping them develop engaged74000:49:49,860 --> 00:49:54,330audiences. coming back for more.And this is just the beginning74100:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,270of our interactive tools forpodcasts. We're really excited74200:49:57,270 --> 00:50:00,120to introduce lots of new waysfor creators and their fans. To74300:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,990connect with each other74400:50:01,409 --> 00:50:04,829okay, so they had so theyclaimed that RSS is a one way74500:50:04,829 --> 00:50:09,479street and it does not enableinteractivity. And what's the74600:50:09,479 --> 00:50:09,899worst74700:50:09,900 --> 00:50:14,520worst? They say podcasting hasbeen a one way street because of74800:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,420RSS74900:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,890because of RSS. So they'vejettisoned RSS so now they're in75000:50:19,890 --> 00:50:24,660now there they can unleash thiscreative you know,75100:50:25,049 --> 00:50:26,249juice juice75200:50:27,659 --> 00:50:31,109unleashed this torrent ofCreative Juice juice it's just75300:50:31,109 --> 00:50:35,939yes what he's gonna tsunami overthe top of the industry and when75400:50:35,969 --> 00:50:40,079and what that consists of is q&aand polls. Can you see that75500:50:40,079 --> 00:50:47,399juice? The juice is q&a andpolls that's so juicy is super75600:50:47,399 --> 00:50:51,419juicy and nobody could care onebit about either one of those75700:50:51,419 --> 00:50:51,899the show75800:50:52,770 --> 00:50:57,810hopefully someone from Spotifywith this fantastic poll and75900:50:57,810 --> 00:51:01,590questionnaire technology couldlisten to could listen to what76000:51:01,590 --> 00:51:05,520was what was what was theirtheir super juice again, q&a and76100:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,180polls, q&a and polls, okay,Spotify. Now, if you're an76200:51:09,180 --> 00:51:13,560anchor creator, chi anchorcreators, but you enjoying your76300:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,500q&a and polls, pulled my hold mybeer. Hello, right now this is76400:51:19,500 --> 00:51:23,940podcasting. 2.0 We are live aswe say in the RSS biz, we're76500:51:23,940 --> 00:51:28,680lit. And I'd like to demonstratesome interactivity. Oh, man,76600:51:28,830 --> 00:51:32,400Dave and I are having troublespaying our rent. Could somebody76700:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,670please send a booster? Oh, thereit is. Thank you very much.76800:51:35,670 --> 00:51:40,350Stephen beheld it 20 222 sets.Please send the booster Graham76900:51:40,350 --> 00:51:44,280with some interactivity. I needsomething back from our fans. I77000:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,310don't feel like RSS isfulfilling the dream of77100:51:47,310 --> 00:51:51,720podcasting. Could someoneplease, please help us pay the77200:51:51,720 --> 00:51:54,540rent and at the same timeinteract with us? Certainly.77300:51:54,540 --> 00:51:56,520There's some fan out there, whocares?77400:51:57,780 --> 00:52:02,160Steven be boosted and said, Hey,guys, there it is. I wish I wish77500:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,530there was a way for fans toreach out to their favorite77600:52:04,530 --> 00:52:04,950creators.77700:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,980And there's 5000 sas fermitas.He's helping pay the rent. See77800:52:10,980 --> 00:52:11,130if77900:52:11,130 --> 00:52:13,500there was I would reach out toyou too, since you're with two78000:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,090of my favorite creators.78100:52:16,710 --> 00:52:19,890Maybe we should hop on Spotify.Steven B. That seems to be the78200:52:19,890 --> 00:52:21,240place where we can interact.78300:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,600Yeah, you can make some polls.Told us.78400:52:25,139 --> 00:52:28,409Oh, God. Oh, title. Hold on asecond. I78500:52:28,770 --> 00:52:30,720told you. All right. Thank you.Well, thank78600:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,040you, Spotify lady.78700:52:33,900 --> 00:52:36,720I'm just gonna run just realquick. Just real quick.78800:52:37,409 --> 00:52:40,559Josh, maybe Josh may be dead.Let's see if he's still alive.78900:52:40,709 --> 00:52:44,099Ladies and gentlemen, we have aspecial very patient guests with79000:52:44,099 --> 00:52:49,589us today to join in the boardmeeting. He is the creator of79100:52:49,589 --> 00:52:53,159just cast, which is veryinteresting as a podcast host as79200:52:53,159 --> 00:52:58,019an interesting system andmethod. And from that right now.79300:52:58,049 --> 00:53:01,589We welcome Josh Chen to theboard meeting. Josh, how you79400:53:01,589 --> 00:53:01,919doing?79500:53:02,820 --> 00:53:05,100Hi, Josh, thank you for havingme here.79600:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,359It's great to have you. It'sgreat to have you. That's Do you79700:53:09,359 --> 00:53:13,949have? Do you have any commentaryon the Spotify? Integration of79800:53:13,949 --> 00:53:14,669RSS?79900:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,740Yeah, I love the topic. I can'twait to join me. But I want to80000:53:20,430 --> 00:53:24,420comment on what Adam talkedabout that earlier, saying that,80100:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,560in some ways, there's a war witha lot be wise, and people will80200:53:28,560 --> 00:53:36,300just quit there, and then createthis status tag. So I'm from80300:53:36,330 --> 00:53:41,880China. So I still have somecondition there. And a few years80400:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,360ago, some people contact me andsay, they build this wall a80500:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,920bunch of devices there and tellyou to create a car and then80600:53:49,980 --> 00:53:52,890they tell you to push yourstatus. Like80700:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,000right, so how would they scamthat how it scammed? I80800:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,220don't know. And I was like, Idon't interested in that80900:53:59,220 --> 00:54:03,600business. But they would createthis icon and click download so81000:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,860that no ad would get moredownloads, and then you can show81100:54:07,860 --> 00:54:10,260that to the investor orsomething like that. Of course I81200:54:10,260 --> 00:54:15,420always I always cannot get puttogether like, how do we resolve81300:54:15,450 --> 00:54:22,020this then podcast? People relyon your status tag to determine81400:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,080how much they're going to payyou for your advertising.81500:54:26,910 --> 00:54:30,270Well, wait a minute, Josh, youcan't be talking sense here on81600:54:30,270 --> 00:54:34,410this podcast, that those numbersare certified by the IAB Surely81700:54:34,410 --> 00:54:37,410you know that have you not paidyour $50,000 to have those81800:54:37,410 --> 00:54:39,930certified by the Uber Lords atthe IAB?81900:54:40,619 --> 00:54:47,969No, but I yeah, I don't know. Isincerely don't know. And I82000:54:47,969 --> 00:54:50,819think podcasting doesn't may bein a good position to kind of82100:54:50,819 --> 00:54:54,899solve this problem maybe likedoing more integration with have82200:54:54,899 --> 00:55:01,109more namespace, cost platform sothat a video will be more honest82300:55:01,109 --> 00:55:07,079to each other, like the airpodcast app pair up at that82400:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,799shelter and system like we areon this standard like they,82500:55:10,949 --> 00:55:14,339they, they push betterinformation. And then we kind of82600:55:14,339 --> 00:55:17,969have something in between. Iassume there's some genius that82700:55:17,969 --> 00:55:21,989is data scientists can pick outwhich one is very visual and82800:55:22,019 --> 00:55:26,009choose that hopefully, we willhave to unify and put this whole82900:55:26,009 --> 00:55:26,669thing better.83000:55:26,790 --> 00:55:30,000Well, that's actually been beenone of the biggest problems, as83100:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,290far as I understand. First ofall, a lot of apps just don't83200:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,540want to do that. They don't wantto be snooping on their founder83300:55:39,540 --> 00:55:43,200users and selling that. Or evenif it's an even if they're not83400:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,860selling it somewhere, it's beingmonetized. But there's we've83500:55:46,860 --> 00:55:51,420actually wasn't at the GUIDthing, Dave, that we looked at83600:55:51,420 --> 00:55:54,180for a while we had it, we had asystem to do it. And nobody83700:55:54,180 --> 00:55:57,060plaidy Yeah, no, and no onecared to pick it up. And I'll83800:55:57,060 --> 00:55:59,640tell you why. Because no onewants you to know the real83900:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,420numbers. Real numbers may not beas favorable as people make them84000:56:03,420 --> 00:56:04,080out to be.84100:56:05,130 --> 00:56:08,280Yeah, if you take away all thefake numbers, and within84200:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,060podcasting, it's it's just notit's not the same, you can't get84300:56:12,060 --> 00:56:14,970paid on that. You can't get paidon fake, don't fake numbers. I84400:56:14,970 --> 00:56:17,190mean, on real numbers, you haveto get paid on the fake ones.84500:56:17,640 --> 00:56:23,970And I don't know, do you? Do youdo any sort of your your model84600:56:23,970 --> 00:56:30,240in in just cast is reallyinteresting, because you, you84700:56:30,240 --> 00:56:35,820allowed Dropbox, hosted feeds.And so I want to ask you a84800:56:35,820 --> 00:56:39,390couple of things. I guess, firstof all, like, Do you have a way84900:56:39,390 --> 00:56:42,030of doing any sort of stats?Through that?85000:56:42,750 --> 00:56:49,260Yeah. So we we do. So we allowpeople to put just cut one85100:56:49,260 --> 00:56:51,690special thing with the rightpeople can just jet and drop85200:56:51,690 --> 00:56:55,470that file to their job bossuntil you pick that out to85300:56:55,950 --> 00:57:01,890Dropbox API. And but we actuallyshove in there to correct that85400:57:01,890 --> 00:57:05,130is that I need to do some right.It was posted to collect the85500:57:05,130 --> 00:57:10,500data, then I can have some basisthat is there. But those that is85600:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,520that isn't going to be so good.From our85700:57:16,889 --> 00:57:20,219Yeah, so that so do you have aCan somebody put their own?85800:57:20,639 --> 00:57:24,959Like, could they bring their ownstatistics, statistics, I guess,85900:57:24,959 --> 00:57:27,569like try to track it throughtheir own systems? It's it's86000:57:27,569 --> 00:57:28,739really just Dropbox?86100:57:30,389 --> 00:57:37,409Um, well, I guess I don'tunderstand the question. I86200:57:37,409 --> 00:57:42,239think. So because we the hostingme, I kinda like hosting the86300:57:42,239 --> 00:57:44,999file a on our system at the end.So that86400:57:45,780 --> 00:57:49,740Okay, so the Dropbox is just theinterface to get the files in?86500:57:49,740 --> 00:57:50,580Is that the idea?86600:57:51,060 --> 00:57:57,090Yes, yes. Yes. So, yeah, at theend, I think this will happen.86700:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,530No, did you choose this? So thatpeople what was the reasoning86800:58:01,530 --> 00:58:04,260behind doing it with withDropbox so that people always86900:58:04,260 --> 00:58:07,830have their own content withthem, and you're basically87000:58:08,010 --> 00:58:11,370providing an interface to createthe feed and you're mirroring87100:58:11,430 --> 00:58:14,250mirroring the contents of theDropbox? Is that how it works?87200:58:14,639 --> 00:58:20,159Yes, yes, yes. Well, we actuallyhave two different paths. So if87300:58:20,219 --> 00:58:24,179you are a personal user, thenyou are not doing publisher,87400:58:24,389 --> 00:58:28,649your RSS feed to anywhere,you're just somehow get an audio87500:58:28,649 --> 00:58:33,059book or whatever audio content,you want to listen that to a87600:58:33,059 --> 00:58:38,849podcast app. And just password,Paulo be a very good place for87700:58:38,849 --> 00:58:42,899you to get started. Because wehost an order file from Dropbox,87800:58:43,169 --> 00:58:45,389you put there and then we getthe file. And we are actually87900:58:45,389 --> 00:58:50,399using the dropbox blend to hostthat. So the kind of appeals in88000:58:50,399 --> 00:58:51,779their bandwidth.88100:58:52,980 --> 00:58:56,370Okay, but that's kind of yourfree tier is you, you leverage88200:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,990Dropbox for your free tier, andthen if people start to get more88300:59:00,990 --> 00:59:05,160downloads than you, you offerthem an upgrade, which is pretty88400:59:05,430 --> 00:59:09,870cheap. I saw like $9 and thenand then you get then that you88500:59:09,870 --> 00:59:11,430get mirrored on your servers.88600:59:11,730 --> 00:59:14,220Yes, yes. How you doing?88700:59:14,699 --> 00:59:19,829Did you have to? Did you have tofine tune that where you figured88800:59:19,829 --> 00:59:25,649out how much bandwidth Dropboxwas willing to serve before they88900:59:25,769 --> 00:59:27,659started you know, having aproblem89000:59:30,119 --> 00:59:34,949so far, we didn't have any suchproblem at the moment but we89100:59:34,949 --> 00:59:38,309have some very small so I guessit doesn't matter to drop off89200:59:38,309 --> 00:59:39,209that you have to pay.89300:59:40,199 --> 00:59:44,639Yeah, I guess is do you how doyou know is is there a limit89400:59:44,639 --> 00:59:49,769where you would contact apodcaster and say, you know your89500:59:49,919 --> 00:59:54,209your so your show is starting toget this many this many hits.89600:59:54,389 --> 00:59:56,099You really need to upgrade.89700:59:57,570 --> 00:59:59,940I don't maybe we should but Idon't89801:00:00,630 --> 01:00:03,840Okay, yeah, it's just it's stillnew Roadsters probably just knew89901:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,430enough to where you don't knowthose limits. Yeah.90001:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,610Well, actually, no, we have beenaround since 2014, or 15. I've90101:00:11,610 --> 01:00:11,940been90201:00:12,540 --> 01:00:15,540doing the doing with with thefull Dropbox integration.90301:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,990Yes. From day one, we are fullDropbox integration.90401:00:19,230 --> 01:00:22,980Oh, so that probably means you.I had no idea. You've been90501:00:22,980 --> 01:00:27,480around that long. So that meansthat you were probably you90601:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,410probably started this back whenDropbox had their full public90701:00:31,410 --> 01:00:32,100folder.90801:00:34,320 --> 01:00:39,690Feature. Yes, no, but because wekind of care about people's90901:00:39,690 --> 01:00:46,320security, we only ask them toauthorize our app folder. So we91001:00:46,350 --> 01:00:51,750only see the content from thatfolder inside there. That's just91101:00:51,750 --> 01:00:54,720us folder, we can only accessthat folder, I cannot access a91201:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,510brand else. Gotcha. John Claudething.91301:00:58,679 --> 01:01:04,919Okay, that makes sense. So we'rein the, in the, in the spirit of91401:01:05,609 --> 01:01:10,199Spotify, saying that there'sbeen no innovation in in RSS.91501:01:10,529 --> 01:01:13,739Well, then, you know, I'mlooking at all of the features91601:01:13,739 --> 01:01:19,169that just cast supports,chapters, funding, location,91701:01:19,499 --> 01:01:24,899lock tagged person tag, pod,ping, season tag, the sound91801:01:24,899 --> 01:01:30,029bytes, trailered. And value. Imean, you support like a whole91901:01:30,029 --> 01:01:33,209ton of stuff. You're literallylike, just like eight different,92001:01:33,239 --> 01:01:35,879you know, nine different tagsthat you support that are all92101:01:35,999 --> 01:01:38,249fairly new, you know, likealmost brand new.92201:01:38,909 --> 01:01:43,319We also support a medium tab aswell. So now you can Newsday92301:01:43,349 --> 01:01:47,069audiobooks. Well, excellent.92401:01:47,910 --> 01:01:48,510Nice,92501:01:48,540 --> 01:01:50,640excellent. That's nice littleaside. Yeah. Holy92601:01:50,640 --> 01:01:51,090crap.92701:01:51,119 --> 01:01:52,439Put that in your pull request.92801:01:53,369 --> 01:01:55,019Yes. Excellent. Okay,92901:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,170Josh, knows this. Have you beensince you've been running this93001:01:58,170 --> 01:02:03,240from 2014? Is it your main yourmain business? Do you do other93101:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,240things is this clearly it mustbe doing okay for you because93201:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,010you've kept with it,congratulations.93301:02:08,670 --> 01:02:13,200No, well, but it's not my mainbusiness. I'm just, I'm a93401:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,620software engineer working for acompany today. And before I was93501:02:16,620 --> 01:02:20,370actually a financial analyst,doing some health care and other93601:02:20,370 --> 01:02:23,100stuff, and happened to lie topoker.93701:02:24,299 --> 01:02:28,799So what what was the what wasthe spark? What made you want to93801:02:28,799 --> 01:02:31,469start getting into this into thehosting business?93901:02:32,040 --> 01:02:37,080Yeah. So this is a project withmy roommate that and they in94001:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,040college, so we are in LosAngeles, you can compare gender94101:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,580chocolate to their back. Sosince I quit, after we graduated94201:02:44,580 --> 01:02:48,270from college, we started goingto work and then we need to dry94301:02:48,450 --> 01:02:51,690out commute times were bad. Sowe always need to find some94401:02:51,690 --> 01:02:55,200content to plan when we aretrying on the94501:02:57,179 --> 01:03:00,269podcast were made for peoplelike you. You needed some you94601:03:00,269 --> 01:03:02,249needed some drive time content.94701:03:02,790 --> 01:03:08,550Yes. I think that tender day i2013 14. That wasn't that many94801:03:08,550 --> 01:03:15,630podcasts as today. There's moreother YouTube thing, and then we94901:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,500are the audiobook we can findonline. So we want to attention95001:03:19,500 --> 01:03:26,760that's our job. Just can'tcombine job. Daddy. Yeah, surely95101:03:26,790 --> 01:03:28,920just for our own at thebeginning.95201:03:29,070 --> 01:03:32,100Nice. This how it always and isit? Is it doing? Well. I mean,95301:03:32,100 --> 01:03:34,830it's obviously it's selfsustaining. And you have a lot95401:03:34,830 --> 01:03:36,600of I don't know how manycustomers you have. How many how95501:03:36,600 --> 01:03:37,980many people do you think areusing?95601:03:38,849 --> 01:03:43,409I don't exactly know how manypeople are using today. But I95701:03:43,409 --> 01:03:48,539think there are about 200 peopleare paying today. It's not so95801:03:48,539 --> 01:03:55,499good. But it is a project ofone, I guess, on the side that I95901:03:55,499 --> 01:03:59,639can use feature every singleday. Because I like it, I guess96001:04:00,299 --> 01:04:03,719I'm looking at the I'm lookingat our stats and I'm showing96101:04:03,719 --> 01:04:09,719that just cat what we have is287 just cast feeds in our96201:04:09,719 --> 01:04:11,969index. Is that interesting.That's about right.96301:04:13,260 --> 01:04:18,210I think so. Yeah. I'm not doinga good job of checking any96401:04:18,330 --> 01:04:20,550statistics on my desk.96501:04:21,690 --> 01:04:26,160Steven Be just sent a boostergram row a duck's Joshua, we96601:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,320already answered this question.How many paying users would you96701:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,170estimate you answered that? Hesaid I saw your earlier just96801:04:31,170 --> 01:04:35,400cast work posted on Heroku. Andit's come along with Heroku and96901:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,980has come a long way that looksgreat, awesome job. He says.97001:04:38,760 --> 01:04:44,550Yeah, yeah, you watch on Hulu.And I've been since pandemic we97101:04:44,550 --> 01:04:48,900migrate away from Hulu tosomething else, which make that97201:04:48,900 --> 01:04:52,500easier and cheaper. Heroku I've97301:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,350had enough. I've heard there's alot of people that started on97401:04:55,350 --> 01:04:58,980Heroku that are they're leavingthat platform just because of97501:04:58,980 --> 01:05:02,850those things because of It canget pretty expensive. Is that97601:05:02,850 --> 01:05:05,400was that your? Was that yourexperience? Also,97701:05:06,180 --> 01:05:11,400I, I think we get started coolto just cast was written in Ruby97801:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,470on Rails. So back in the day,Hulu to have a very have done a97901:05:16,470 --> 01:05:20,520very good job being calculatedbaseline deployments, and98001:05:20,670 --> 01:05:27,990especially with Ruby on Rails.And I think, and, but, and they98101:05:27,990 --> 01:05:32,340were overall Meteor stuff thatwhen they were just yesterday,98201:05:32,610 --> 01:05:36,930and now they are I think they'repart of Salesforce or something98301:05:36,930 --> 01:05:37,470like that. And98401:05:38,010 --> 01:05:40,740that's right. Yeah, they getbored. Yeah.98501:05:41,340 --> 01:05:47,010Yeah. And then we, yeah, that'swhy we wrote to them because98601:05:47,010 --> 01:05:49,770it's cheaper. And then like,everybody's catching up to date98701:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,670with these like deployments andspecial soccer. So they are not98801:05:53,670 --> 01:05:58,260that much special, I guess.Compare them, but their day. And98901:05:58,260 --> 01:06:01,020that's super awkward. This iswhy we migrate away.99001:06:02,250 --> 01:06:07,140Yeah, that makes sense. So is itstill a Ruby on Rails? You still99101:06:07,140 --> 01:06:08,520Ruby on Rails application? Okay.99201:06:08,700 --> 01:06:11,580Yeah, it is a Ruby on Rails backend. And then the finance99301:06:11,610 --> 01:06:12,450written in React?99401:06:13,500 --> 01:06:19,860Since you have such a kind of asimple to understand and elegant99501:06:20,010 --> 01:06:23,970starting spot with the with howyou've set it up with Dropbox?99601:06:24,780 --> 01:06:28,470Have you been following ourconversation about? Here we go99701:06:28,470 --> 01:06:34,170music 2.0 About, about puttingmusic into into apps and have99801:06:34,170 --> 01:06:36,750the value for value streaming?What do you this seems like that99901:06:36,750 --> 01:06:40,440would be great. This type ofsetup that you have, obviously,100001:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,400with a different interface formusicians might be really good100101:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,770because people feel comfortablelike, Oh, I'm putting my stuff100201:06:46,770 --> 01:06:51,900in here. You know, here's mycost is known songs. If100301:06:51,900 --> 01:06:57,150someone's getting, you know, 10sof 1000s of have access to the100401:06:57,150 --> 01:07:00,660songs and the streaming SATs,well, you know, maybe it's time100501:07:00,660 --> 01:07:04,530to upgrade, but in general, Ithink most most Dropbox accounts100601:07:04,530 --> 01:07:07,830would probably suffice quitewell. Have you considered100701:07:08,550 --> 01:07:09,570looking into this?100801:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,059Yeah. And should we start? Well,first, I learn about this new100901:07:15,119 --> 01:07:19,049tab, the medium for the musictab writes for Robert, they will101001:07:19,049 --> 01:07:23,609they will contact me I think hewas trying to put up his new set101101:07:23,609 --> 01:07:28,259on the podcast 2.0. And, andgoing to I think she was using101201:07:28,259 --> 01:07:30,509just constant. I don't knowyou're still using just cars.101301:07:30,779 --> 01:07:34,229But I think he's mostly justholding his music. We've just101401:07:34,229 --> 01:07:40,919cars. And then it is onpodcasting that now today. Yeah,101501:07:40,919 --> 01:07:45,119so I am very excited to havethis new opportunity with like,101601:07:45,329 --> 01:07:49,469podcasts in the US is no longerno longer just podcast is like a101701:07:49,469 --> 01:07:52,529thing, right? It could be whenyou're setting the record on101801:07:52,529 --> 01:07:56,189your site or blog or any type ofcontent. People can just put it101901:07:56,189 --> 01:07:59,999there. And at the end, it shouldbe like internet 2.0.102001:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,690How do you how do you decidewhich new features to support?102101:08:06,690 --> 01:08:10,050Do you? Do you just try to doeverything? Or do you have a way102201:08:10,050 --> 01:08:11,520that you prioritize?102301:08:12,210 --> 01:08:17,640Well? Yes, no. So I don'tprioritize but whoever show you102401:08:18,060 --> 01:08:20,790some user feedback, some userrequests, and I will do that102501:08:21,810 --> 01:08:25,320right away. Otherwise, I wouldjust show this year and trying102601:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,770to implement as many things basefrom podcasting guests as102701:08:28,770 --> 01:08:33,060possible. And working on thatwhen I don't have any other user102801:08:33,060 --> 01:08:37,080feedback or suggestion at themoment. That's excellent.102901:08:37,980 --> 01:08:41,310Now I was thinking aboutpodcasting 2.0 And we have some103001:08:41,340 --> 01:08:45,720some new people who came intopodcasts index dot social. By103101:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,770the way, Steven Be Nice touchthere with the curio caster all103201:08:49,770 --> 01:08:53,850of a sudden, we've got a musictab. Hello. That was that was103301:08:53,850 --> 01:09:00,960quick that went from idea toexecution very quickly. That is103401:09:01,020 --> 01:09:03,810the thing that I've beenthinking about most is how does103501:09:03,810 --> 01:09:09,270value for value really work withmusic. And I think that with103601:09:09,300 --> 01:09:13,680that we could not have possiblydone the music stuff until we103701:09:13,680 --> 01:09:19,320had a couple other things setup. Which by you know, by103801:09:19,410 --> 01:09:22,620fortuitous timing, they havebeen set up because value for103901:09:22,620 --> 01:09:27,000value, the system needs thefeedback loop. And that in the104001:09:27,000 --> 01:09:32,040feedback loop in a podcast isdifferent from a song. Your song104101:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,890isn't you're not going to createa new version of the song, or104201:09:34,890 --> 01:09:38,460even release a new song everyweek and thank everybody for104301:09:38,460 --> 01:09:45,000their booster grams. So in thiscase, I think leaderboards104401:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,620become very important in apps sopeople can show and we'll104501:09:49,620 --> 01:09:55,920display their appreciation. Infact, some funny enough some of104601:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,400the functionality that that weargued about so much with104701:09:59,400 --> 01:10:04,170fountain is much moreappropriate. With threaded104801:10:04,170 --> 01:10:11,940booster grams I think live litwill be incredibly important104901:10:11,970 --> 01:10:16,770artists will will start toanswer Spencer and April Kirby,105001:10:16,770 --> 01:10:21,210they kind of already figuredthis out. But having your music105101:10:21,390 --> 01:10:25,110feed and then having your yourtracks or if you want to do by105201:10:25,110 --> 01:10:27,360album and all that kind ofstuff, we have to figure out the105301:10:27,360 --> 01:10:34,140seasons become albums etc. Youknow hosting either a live chat,105401:10:35,460 --> 01:10:38,490you know, just going live,basically. And then, you know,105501:10:38,490 --> 01:10:43,500talking to people, like anInstagram Live or YouTube live105601:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,830performing live these thingswill all be very important. But105701:10:46,830 --> 01:10:52,230I thought one of the best thingswe can do. And this is where105801:10:52,230 --> 01:10:54,480we're going to we're actuallygoing to kick Spotify, SAS, it's105901:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,960going to be pretty funny, wherethey're trying to desperately106001:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,740capture podcasts and we're goingto we're going to wish right by106101:11:01,740 --> 01:11:06,090them on our tricycle in themusic world if I want so my106201:11:06,090 --> 01:11:10,350biggest frustration has been Iwant to play music on my106301:11:10,350 --> 01:11:13,830podcast, and I can't play musicthat is licensed through the106401:11:13,830 --> 01:11:20,610traditional system. So how do Ido this with music that is 2.0106501:11:20,610 --> 01:11:26,130and value for value enabled. Ifyou could have like an106601:11:26,130 --> 01:11:31,110abstraction of so let's say Iwant to play a track from Dave106701:11:31,110 --> 01:11:35,070Jones. He has a wonderful trackcalled What does that track you106801:11:35,070 --> 01:11:39,690had there Dave? Forgot was reamor to the ocean or prayer the106901:11:39,690 --> 01:11:45,060prayer I knew it was some hokeylike that Homa. The prayer I'm107001:11:45,060 --> 01:11:47,310just kidding, because actually,it's quite nice that track107101:11:47,370 --> 01:11:50,040that's from an old band I was inIreland, the rights are fully on107201:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,570the rise. It has a little bit of107301:11:51,570 --> 01:11:55,110a sweet it has little bit of aYouTube guitar vibe in there.107401:11:55,110 --> 01:11:56,100Maybe that's just me.107501:11:56,310 --> 01:11:59,250No, and that's not you. But theguy that was the guitar player107601:11:59,250 --> 01:12:03,360in our band, he was a hugeYouTube, YouTube nut he ride.107701:12:03,810 --> 01:12:09,000Okay, so. So I have that track.And that track has a value block107801:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,070attached to it that has fourdifferent people. So when I play107901:12:14,100 --> 01:12:20,130this song, I would like bytimecode, I would like my108001:12:20,130 --> 01:12:25,200podcast to say anything you'restreaming right now, or anything108101:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,360you boost right now, I want youto send X percent. So now let108201:12:30,540 --> 01:12:34,860that is to be worked out. Butlet's say if I'm doing 10 Don't108301:12:34,860 --> 01:12:38,580doing 10 songs, I'm doing anhour long show, I want 50%. And108401:12:38,580 --> 01:12:45,000I want the other 50% to goequally to each each. Each track108501:12:45,180 --> 01:12:49,260that I played. And the reason Isay abstraction is I would just108601:12:49,260 --> 01:12:52,080like to put in Okay, Dave Jones,the prayer I put in this108701:12:52,290 --> 01:13:00,690extraction abstraction block,and from 10 minutes to 13108801:13:00,690 --> 01:13:06,000minutes in this podcast 50% ofall streams and booths go to108901:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,240that block, which then by itselfexpands into four different109001:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,890payments. Does that make sense?109101:13:12,330 --> 01:13:16,320So you're, you're saying thatyou you sort of go one level109201:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,140higher than the actual valueblock and put a layer on top of109301:13:19,140 --> 01:13:19,350it.109401:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,980I mean, just to make it easy, itwas just to make it easy. I'm109501:13:22,980 --> 01:13:26,130thinking, I'm talking like atechnologist who's out of his109601:13:26,190 --> 01:13:31,170out of his butt basically. ButI'm looking at it from a kind of109701:13:31,170 --> 01:13:36,570a simplicity standpoint, is I,where I might even go to podcast109801:13:36,570 --> 01:13:39,210index, you know, I was like,Okay, I need to copy this song,109901:13:39,420 --> 01:13:42,750I want to play this, I copysomething. And then that goes110001:13:42,750 --> 01:13:47,130into my feed creation softwareat this at this timestamp. I110101:13:47,130 --> 01:13:53,460want this block of addresses toget 50% divided as determined by110201:13:53,460 --> 01:13:59,670that block. And then and thenthe next three minutes has to go110301:13:59,670 --> 01:14:02,220to the next block. So for me, itjust, I just want to click Oh,110401:14:02,220 --> 01:14:04,950click that I don't need to knowwho's behind it. So I don't want110501:14:04,950 --> 01:14:08,370to be putting in four and thesplits and all that shit. That110601:14:08,370 --> 01:14:12,060has to be a predetermined splitthat I can just reference110701:14:12,060 --> 01:14:16,170somehow, then and put in and ofcourse it has to fire off at110801:14:16,170 --> 01:14:20,040that moment. So it's extra workfor the apps, obviously.110901:14:20,460 --> 01:14:23,940Yeah, so you're saying like,you're talking about doing this111001:14:24,210 --> 01:14:27,060dynamic value block is whatSteven B just called it?111101:14:28,050 --> 01:14:31,650Yeah, so like yeah, very Yeah,dynamic or virtual value value.111201:14:31,650 --> 01:14:34,890But so you're like you're doingthis because music has a111301:14:34,890 --> 01:14:38,850different like it's just not youhave to change the Wii for the111401:14:38,850 --> 01:14:44,100model, not change the model, butchange the mechanism in order to111501:14:44,130 --> 01:14:48,150like make it fit. The mute Yes,yes.111601:14:48,150 --> 01:14:52,530Yes track. Exactly. So, youknow, the the feedback loop, I111701:14:52,530 --> 01:14:57,120think, mainly can come frompeople playing the song, rolling111801:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,570back, you know, throwing SATsback as predetermine And by the111901:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,940by the Dynamic Value block,talking about the music, but112001:15:05,940 --> 01:15:08,430also letting people know thatthey are directly supporting the112101:15:08,430 --> 01:15:15,600artist. So now, you know nowwhen someone boosts my show the112201:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,230artists and the splits in thatartists block also get that112301:15:19,230 --> 01:15:22,320booster gram. You see, nowyou've just explained, it's like112401:15:22,500 --> 01:15:25,770signing up one user and we gettwo and a half in return.112501:15:27,390 --> 01:15:32,850Yeah. Yes, the magic moneymachine. So, as Steven said, add112601:15:32,850 --> 01:15:36,360a value block to the chapterspec. And then you just use the112701:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,940chapters as the glue.112801:15:38,970 --> 01:15:40,620Oh, now we're running withscissors.112901:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,930Not a bad idea. I like what youthink Josh put a make chapters113001:15:45,930 --> 01:15:48,990be able to point to differentvalues, value setups.113101:15:49,350 --> 01:15:54,900I think display idea also doessome bias value. Soundbite Yep.113201:15:55,290 --> 01:15:58,380Yep. Yep. Yes. To get one. Yeah.Okay, so113301:15:58,710 --> 01:16:02,100now we just need to, it would benice to have a dynamic valid,113401:16:02,130 --> 01:16:06,870you know, a value block, you canjust reference for a song. Now,113501:16:07,530 --> 01:16:09,510I'm not quite sure how we dothat. Technically.113601:16:10,260 --> 01:16:12,600What a Josh, what is the tipjar?113701:16:14,010 --> 01:16:17,760Took joy is the kineticsportive, but I'm not spying or113801:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,800shy about it. Try so that peoplecan just spend money from there.113901:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,890I'll collect money from stroy.114001:16:27,360 --> 01:16:32,220Okay, interesting. So this work?What made you think of doing114101:16:32,220 --> 01:16:32,580that?114201:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,950I think, like video, a lot ofother people was doing that. I'm114301:16:37,950 --> 01:16:39,780just trying to follow otherpeople.114401:16:40,290 --> 01:16:45,120Right. Yeah. Yeah, that that's,that's, you know, the money, the114501:16:45,120 --> 01:16:49,470monetizing the monetizing data,Spotify, people in the United114601:16:49,470 --> 01:16:53,070talked a lot about that. And in,you know, this, this is a solved114701:16:54,510 --> 01:16:58,080it's assault thing now a bit,because if you they talked so114801:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,020much about bringing advertisingway down to the bottom level?114901:17:01,410 --> 01:17:08,190And I think, I think the softapproach now is that ad when it115001:17:08,190 --> 01:17:15,360comes to low download numbers onshows, the direct payments, you115101:17:15,360 --> 01:17:20,790know, sending value for valuemodel is really the only thing115201:17:20,790 --> 01:17:25,530that works and tip jar would be,you know, the tipping ideas, you115301:17:25,530 --> 01:17:29,910know, is a ver is a miss versionof that. Is that you at that at115401:17:29,910 --> 01:17:33,840that level. You advertisingdoesn't work. And so you have115501:17:33,870 --> 01:17:36,210you that's that's the thing thatworks.115601:17:38,580 --> 01:17:45,990Yeah, I, I, I want to show Iwant to share my my, my idea on115701:17:46,020 --> 01:17:51,060the nice thing is for podcasts,I think not everybody tried to115801:17:51,060 --> 01:17:54,780make money or make any money orare people just want to put115901:17:54,780 --> 01:17:58,410together a show or something.Some something they would like116001:17:58,410 --> 01:18:01,530to share with theirs. There havebeen a conversation and podcast116101:18:01,530 --> 01:18:05,280that I don't love. That's a tipjar for them. That would be116201:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,010great. But if even they don'tget money, they don't feel116301:18:08,070 --> 01:18:11,220upset, right. Just like I go tothe basketball court and play116401:18:11,220 --> 01:18:15,240basketball in my face. Nobodywants to pay to watch us. And116501:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,790there's a hand has thatupheaval, maybe it's a smaller116601:18:17,790 --> 01:18:21,810set of more niche podcasts havebeen support. And thanks to116701:18:21,810 --> 01:18:24,690Polycom, I think it would be agreat idea and where you guys116801:18:24,690 --> 01:18:29,190are enabling that. And I guessthere's another one, which is116901:18:29,250 --> 01:18:33,000maybe one or 2% are doing verygood job. And they want to117001:18:33,030 --> 01:18:36,450become a commercial success. AndI think they were looking for a117101:18:36,450 --> 01:18:41,250more more defined approach tomonetize their content.117201:18:43,770 --> 01:18:44,820Yeah, yeah. Thanks.117301:18:44,820 --> 01:18:48,210So it really sounds like you'rereally right in the pocket there117401:18:48,210 --> 01:18:52,740of podcasting. 2.0 You know, youyou're small enough where you117501:18:52,740 --> 01:18:55,620can get stuff done quicklyimplemented, you know, there's a117601:18:55,620 --> 01:18:59,040lot of kind of self self servebits to it. It's really nice,117701:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,320man. It's it's a nice, nicething you've built there.117801:19:02,010 --> 01:19:05,700Yeah, it's nice for you guys toput all this cooling the117901:19:05,700 --> 01:19:08,910learning space up is like awonderland for me, like I can118001:19:09,240 --> 01:19:14,730realize face to interact withthem. And yeah, I think this one118101:19:14,730 --> 01:19:16,740for me as a programmer as well.118201:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,360Let's118301:19:20,880 --> 01:19:27,030before we thank some people,Dave. Very, very good news. I118401:19:27,030 --> 01:19:30,930think you probably got thisemail as well. I'll read it to118501:19:30,930 --> 01:19:33,510you because I was reallyexcited. I haven't I mean, it's118601:19:33,510 --> 01:19:39,240just I could not believe it. Weare the recipient of the safest118701:19:39,240 --> 01:19:45,690content award. 2022 now read theemail. Hello podcast index team.118801:19:45,690 --> 01:19:49,050My name is Philip. I am theChief Content Manager at Sur dot118901:19:49,050 --> 01:19:53,130L Y. I am happy to inform youthat podcasts index.org has been119001:19:53,130 --> 01:19:56,490identified as one of the safestwebsites offered to users in119101:19:56,490 --> 01:20:00,5702022. Please add this awardwidget to your web sight.119201:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,810Oh, I'm so good. I'm gonna dothat immediately with all the119301:20:03,810 --> 01:20:04,530JavaScript119401:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,690connected to it claim youraward.119501:20:08,130 --> 01:20:09,690Sounds like a fantastic Ihaven't119601:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,630I haven't seen one of thesesince the top five of the web.119701:20:12,630 --> 01:20:16,470Do you remember that? Top fivewas a web award. Those guys were119801:20:16,470 --> 01:20:20,520brilliant. The Alexa 100 orwhatever, nada? Well, the top119901:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,580five of the Webawards way beforethat, and they literally gave120001:20:23,580 --> 01:20:26,550you a badge that would pointback to their website where they120101:20:26,550 --> 01:20:29,670had advertising running. It wasfantastic. Like and, and we had120201:20:29,670 --> 01:20:33,330like clients like Reebok tolook, we we want to top five of120301:20:33,330 --> 01:20:35,610the web award, put it on ourwebsite, we're like,120401:20:37,980 --> 01:20:40,080yeah, yeah. They get a littlebit of120501:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,000this. Yes, little scissor that.And then the, we get in. Both120601:20:45,000 --> 01:20:51,630Dave and I are on the info atpodcast, index.org email, email120701:20:51,630 --> 01:20:55,590address. And we get a lot ofinteresting requests. And I've120801:20:55,590 --> 01:21:00,060fished one out as well fromKathy, titled, unpopular120901:21:00,060 --> 01:21:03,180podcast. Hi there. I don't knowif you can help me, but I'm121001:21:03,180 --> 01:21:06,330trying to find stats and linksfor podcasts that few people are121101:21:06,330 --> 01:21:10,380playing people for? Is itpossible to find this info? I'm121201:21:10,380 --> 01:21:13,020trying to create a podcast tobring attention to neglected121301:21:13,020 --> 01:21:15,600podcasts? I thought that was121401:21:15,720 --> 01:21:20,460I responded to cat but you do. Ibet you did. In my my advice to121501:21:20,460 --> 01:21:28,470her was abandoned this go toanchor? Because the truth is121601:21:28,470 --> 01:21:33,390that, you know, out of 4.1million podcasts on the index,121701:21:33,390 --> 01:21:36,810probably only about 20% of thosehave any listenership121801:21:37,080 --> 01:21:41,910whatsoever. And so like, I mean,you you, like just download the121901:21:41,910 --> 01:21:44,460whole index. There you go.That's that's your answer. You122001:21:44,460 --> 01:21:44,550know,122101:21:44,550 --> 01:21:47,970it's interesting, just as a as anumber, let's just say not122201:21:47,970 --> 01:21:52,230800,000, but a million podcastsof any action. There's a billion122301:21:52,230 --> 01:21:57,930dollars in advertising, I'mtold. So that's, that would mean122401:21:58,230 --> 01:22:04,440a million CPMs. Am I saying thatright? No, that would mean, a122501:22:04,440 --> 01:22:13,950million CPMs would be like $23million? The it's just hard to122601:22:13,950 --> 01:22:15,900work out the math where all themoney's going?122701:22:16,230 --> 01:22:19,500I don't know. Yeah, I don'tbelieve in getting the money.122801:22:19,890 --> 01:22:24,690The highest I've ever saw youpick up the stats on the index122901:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,590homepage, every now and then.The highest I've ever seen that123001:22:28,590 --> 01:22:29,67090 day number123101:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,380of podcasts with 500,000. Maybe123201:22:34,620 --> 01:22:39,420it's bumped 600? A couple oftimes. I mean, it's just, that's123301:22:39,420 --> 01:22:43,800really all you got. There's agood there's, there's about 600123401:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,410shows that are constantlypublishing now that may be123501:22:46,410 --> 01:22:49,740rotating, and maybe some fallingoffense I'm coming on. But sure.123601:22:50,100 --> 01:22:52,170It's not gonna it's not morethan that.123701:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,840And to wonder those shows are onthe just cast.123801:22:55,590 --> 01:23:01,590That's right. Do it or 97. Yeah.Well, I mean, I know abroad a123901:23:01,590 --> 01:23:06,570nice Oh, it feels appropriatebefore for this. If you want to124001:23:06,570 --> 01:23:07,890hit it, think about it.124101:23:09,210 --> 01:23:12,570Think about it. Oh, yeah. Ican't wait for someone to clip124201:23:12,570 --> 01:23:16,350that bit out. Especially the bitwhere we show the interactivity124301:23:16,350 --> 01:23:19,260of that old RSS technology,think about it.124401:23:20,280 --> 01:23:21,570outdated, outdated, are124501:23:21,570 --> 01:23:23,700still bad for this lady. Shedidn't know what she was getting124601:23:23,700 --> 01:23:27,990into. She's smoking the Spotifycrack. I tried to register block124701:23:27,990 --> 01:23:32,760of phi. In every variation. It'sall gone. It's all gone. Even124801:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,490try dot app, you know, like,fuck it, I'll pay 50 bucks. If I124901:23:35,490 --> 01:23:39,270can get block of five? Nah, theyprobably smartly registered all125001:23:39,270 --> 01:23:40,050of that already.125101:23:40,950 --> 01:23:44,700You don't pay 1000s and 1000s ofdollars in renewal fees a year,125201:23:44,700 --> 01:23:47,280you won't get another one thatyou'll never use.125301:23:47,519 --> 01:23:51,569I have been paring it down alittle bit. Good. So as part of125401:23:51,569 --> 01:23:56,129our monetization scheme, weemploy something that's worked125501:23:56,129 --> 01:23:59,879very well for 15 years onseveral podcasts, it's value for125601:23:59,879 --> 01:24:04,979value. That means that you needto return some value to keep125701:24:04,979 --> 01:24:08,639this going. The podcast theproject, you just heard we have125801:24:08,639 --> 01:24:12,059developers who support this. Ifyou're a developer, you could be125901:24:12,059 --> 01:24:15,629a software developer, you couldbe a content developer, you126001:24:15,629 --> 01:24:17,939could be someone who developsideas and gives them to126101:24:17,939 --> 01:24:20,309podcasters. Everybody's adeveloper in one way or the126201:24:20,309 --> 01:24:23,399other. What kind of value didyou get out of this? Did you126301:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,829learn something? Maybe you're aninvestor, maybe you just went126401:24:25,829 --> 01:24:32,219short on Spotify. This is notfinancial advice. It's not maybe126501:24:32,219 --> 01:24:35,699you've already made some moneyoff of us somehow. Determine126601:24:35,699 --> 01:24:38,339what this is worth to you andyour world and send that back to126701:24:38,339 --> 01:24:41,939us. You can do it through theFiat fund coupon route, which is126801:24:42,449 --> 01:24:45,749Pay Pal go to podcast index.orgscroll to the bottom Big Red126901:24:45,749 --> 01:24:49,079donate button. You can also sendus Bitcoin on chain I checked127001:24:49,079 --> 01:24:52,259the chain no one ever uses thateveryone bitched about, Hey man,127101:24:52,259 --> 01:24:56,549you should take on chain andyour QR code. No one uses it127201:24:56,700 --> 01:24:59,190and then they never do it. Noone It happens all the127301:24:59,190 --> 01:25:03,240very Now we have not I want tosay no one but and people who do127401:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,890they don't typically add a note.So I don't know where it's127501:25:07,890 --> 01:25:10,440coming from. So I can't thankanybody. It's really odd. Let me127601:25:10,440 --> 01:25:16,770see if we got anything here.Anything 11 hours ago 30 318127701:25:16,770 --> 01:25:18,780Keep up the great work guysdon't know who it's from127801:25:18,780 --> 01:25:25,650unfortunately. And there wasnothing else. That was it. Let127901:25:25,650 --> 01:25:28,500me read some of the live boostergrams as they came in Carolyn128001:25:28,500 --> 01:25:33,9303333 safest podcast running withscissors 6969 from Carolyn.128101:25:33,930 --> 01:25:37,020Hello. diggin The scissors arethank you for podcasting.128201:25:37,020 --> 01:25:43,7402.0 17,910 from Mike Newman soeasy to boost live now it's fun.128301:25:43,980 --> 01:25:48,150Don't just stand there boostjust stand there. Boost 500 from128401:25:48,180 --> 01:25:52,800ambitious would large still havehad a fit if the leaked128501:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,450Metallica album was streaming sostreaming sets? problem now he128601:25:57,450 --> 01:26:03,960would have a horse of the pussyboy like that. We already got128701:26:03,960 --> 01:26:09,150Steven B's question there. ChadPharaoh 3333 This shit is lit it128801:26:09,150 --> 01:26:13,680is Mitas helping to pay therent. And those are our I think128901:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,990most of our all of our pre showand live booster grams. Who else129001:26:18,990 --> 01:26:20,340you have on the list there,Dave?129101:26:20,670 --> 01:26:23,970Well, I got some pay pals.Number one129201:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,630good because with the price ofBitcoin, people either need to129301:26:27,630 --> 01:26:29,550up the Satoshis or send us Fiat.129401:26:30,300 --> 01:26:33,180Yeah. Get out of your ruts getout of here. Get out of your129501:26:33,180 --> 01:26:37,050habits. Well, this one came inright under the wire. I mean,129601:26:37,050 --> 01:26:43,590just like, you know, deadlinepoint. Benjamin Richardson from129701:26:43,590 --> 01:26:47,670rss.com. Ben and Albertus andhis $500 through PayPal. Oh,129801:26:47,670 --> 01:26:54,060man. Shot Caller 20 is Blazeown. I am Paula, thank you so129901:26:54,060 --> 01:27:01,080much. I love that the hostingbusiness is doing so much to130001:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,950keep this project going. That'sreally, really appreciated.130101:27:05,519 --> 01:27:08,099Well, let me stuff like thecomments for Spotify. It just,130201:27:08,519 --> 01:27:11,879it just exemplifies the reason.I mean, it's just130301:27:11,879 --> 01:27:14,099misinformation. And they there's130401:27:14,430 --> 01:27:16,230about lies about lies.130501:27:16,320 --> 01:27:22,110Yeah, I was just Indian, Indian.Adam and Dave. We just wanted130601:27:22,110 --> 01:27:24,780again to send back some of thevalue we get for the podcasting130701:27:24,780 --> 01:27:28,1702.0 initiative. Keeping RSSrelevant in podcasting is130801:27:28,170 --> 01:27:31,110essential to keeping it open.Thank you for all you do to lead130901:27:31,110 --> 01:27:33,210these efforts. The team@rss.com131001:27:33,689 --> 01:27:36,989Thank you, Jean. Thank you.tim@rss.com Yes.131101:27:37,560 --> 01:27:43,680Is a listener thank you toteam@rss.com we thanks guys.131201:27:44,460 --> 01:27:50,880We should put them up maybe theycould get a safest content.131301:27:51,780 --> 01:27:53,550Probably we could probably getthem in a war.131401:27:53,820 --> 01:27:56,550What did you see what Albertodid with all the AI to get rid131501:27:56,550 --> 01:27:59,760of the sex worker spam? I mean,I know nearly the safest131601:28:00,390 --> 01:28:04,170you know, I'm telling you. Italked I talked about it. I know131701:28:04,170 --> 01:28:07,590agenda. Oh, did you? I saidthat. Yeah. And I said it again.131801:28:07,590 --> 01:28:10,770You know escorts you're making abig mistake start an actual131901:28:10,770 --> 01:28:13,080podcast. Do it.132001:28:13,350 --> 01:28:14,190Yeah. Or I mean,132101:28:14,280 --> 01:28:18,660they don't leave your home theydon't leave your website. Right.132201:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,420Josh did you get you I see youhave a free trial thing. Did you132301:28:24,450 --> 01:28:27,960have you seen any of that spamsignups?132401:28:29,760 --> 01:28:37,920I I don't look at my I don'tlook at the spam any any data of132501:28:38,100 --> 01:28:43,350just passed away often, but I dosee two I think a few years ago132601:28:43,350 --> 01:28:48,300I do experience somebody likeputting a log file into Dropbox132701:28:48,630 --> 01:28:52,290to just with just class and thenthey get access fee and then132801:28:52,290 --> 01:29:00,090they will migrate that to anchorbecause it's easier to stay132901:29:00,090 --> 01:29:05,160right yeah from us and then theimpulse to enter or to anchor or133001:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,970something like that. They needto do that one by one and I and133101:29:08,970 --> 01:29:11,910then once I see that I just putthem off.133201:29:12,570 --> 01:29:17,430But they were make they wereusing yen to make onboarding to133301:29:17,430 --> 01:29:20,970anchor spam easier, man that'sterrible.133401:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,630That's not how escorts dobusiness.133501:29:28,140 --> 01:29:32,220Okay, we got we got another weekPayPal donation this week from133601:29:32,940 --> 01:29:41,100Rene. Rene ding Nigar NigarNigar de que en IgG e I'm sorry133701:29:41,130 --> 01:29:45,450if I've butchered that. NYG cancontinue I'm not133801:29:45,450 --> 01:29:49,830sure why the case. Now. Now. Iwant to know KNK in133901:29:49,830 --> 01:29:53,970IgG II kinnexa Conesa.134001:29:54,000 --> 01:29:58,440Where's where's he from? Renee,can you134101:29:58,710 --> 01:30:02,490do not no no it's not so Got agirl's boy he's that he's on134201:30:02,490 --> 01:30:10,020podcast Indystar social as KNGGE I think that is I think134301:30:10,020 --> 01:30:15,660that's his handle but we Ididn't say where he's from us so134401:30:15,660 --> 01:30:19,650he sent a sent a note he says,Here's my drop in the bucket.134501:30:19,830 --> 01:30:22,260It's been a while since my lastdonation I love the podcast134601:30:22,260 --> 01:30:25,110every Friday and the index is amust have loved that you push134701:30:25,110 --> 01:30:28,890podcasting forward in so manydifferent ways. Also damn smart134801:30:28,890 --> 01:30:32,130to push in that many diversedirections. Tech social and134901:30:32,130 --> 01:30:35,520payments. I've added a littlebit over the t shirt amount in135001:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,300case for case for costs ofsending to the Netherlands. Oh,135101:30:39,300 --> 01:30:41,730from the Netherlands. He'sDutch. kinnexa That was right.135201:30:42,240 --> 01:30:47,190Okay, neat. Kenisha Alright, inthe meantime, let's see how do135301:30:47,400 --> 01:30:53,820kinnexa Yeah, pretty good. Okay,cool. T shirt if there are any135401:30:53,820 --> 01:30:57,720left of course, of course, he isalways on demand baby on demand.135501:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,060That's right. I find manyoccasions lately where I would135601:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,580have loved to wear it. Morepodcast happenings going on135701:31:02,580 --> 01:31:05,310lately in the Netherlands. Havea great weekend and keep135801:31:05,310 --> 01:31:06,930podcasting. Thank you, Renee.135901:31:07,019 --> 01:31:11,639All right, man. Thank you. Canyou Nika Tanisha. Like can Nikki136001:31:12,179 --> 01:31:13,529from Greece can Nikki can you?136101:31:14,910 --> 01:31:19,710Can etha can you go? Can youokay? It gets worse the more I136201:31:19,710 --> 01:31:23,850do it, so I'm gonna stop. I'vegotta make good on the136301:31:23,880 --> 01:31:28,260Instagrams. Oh, I missed onelast week from an extremely136401:31:28,260 --> 01:31:29,040important person.136501:31:30,090 --> 01:31:34,440Roy Oh, Miss ROI, boost ROI getall bent out of shape.136601:31:34,770 --> 01:31:38,790He messaged me and said Hey, youmissed my boost. I was like, Oh136701:31:38,790 --> 01:31:39,660man, you should have136801:31:39,660 --> 01:31:42,510said was I didn't see anythingcome in must be your app.136901:31:44,399 --> 01:31:48,389Clearly, this is a breeze blahblah. And not a me problem.137001:31:49,979 --> 01:31:56,24950 54,321 stats from last week.Yeah, this is Dave needs. Dave137101:31:56,249 --> 01:31:59,099needs a sociology and philosophypodcast. I'll boost that.137201:31:59,130 --> 01:32:01,620Yeah, sure. We'll all boosted137301:32:03,689 --> 01:32:07,199see, sorry about that. Roy. Andwe got another one from Roy for137401:32:07,199 --> 01:32:12,809this week. 54321 54,321 SASthrough breeze and he just says137501:32:12,809 --> 01:32:13,439booze.137601:32:13,439 --> 01:32:13,949Yeah137701:32:17,820 --> 01:32:19,650thank you, bro. I got you thisweek Roy.137801:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,480Roy really appreciate it.137901:32:23,399 --> 01:32:26,399Is Mick from the mere mortalspodcast conference in a row138001:32:26,399 --> 01:32:30,779ducks 2222 He says I like thatidiot and value for value in a138101:32:30,779 --> 01:32:33,389booster gram was all that wasneeded for Adam to think of me.138201:32:38,430 --> 01:32:39,240My marketing138301:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,450is working. Very well done.Karen. Yeah,138401:32:42,479 --> 01:32:47,609good job. Dion's in this one 999SAS and he says, I love dog138501:32:47,609 --> 01:32:50,759catcher. I wish someone wouldwork on it. Someone still makes138601:32:50,759 --> 01:32:53,789money on it. It's sad. I eventold him clients can make money138701:32:53,789 --> 01:32:54,659and still no joy.138801:32:55,140 --> 01:32:59,640You know, there was ainteresting that's a someone138901:32:59,640 --> 01:33:04,980sent me like a panic email.Listen, and it was not dog139001:33:04,980 --> 01:33:07,830catcher, the dog catcher thingwe figured out and I guess139101:33:07,830 --> 01:33:14,820whatever, podcast addict, and ithad already looped in the139201:33:14,820 --> 01:33:17,820support desk, and I caught him Ifeel uncomfortable. You know,139301:33:17,820 --> 01:33:21,570it's like, like looping me intothe conversation like, well,139401:33:21,570 --> 01:33:24,810this is not working. And here's,you know, like linking me and139501:33:24,810 --> 01:33:27,540podcast addict like now. Okay,now I gotta figure out what's139601:33:27,540 --> 01:33:30,990going on with your system. Andit appeared for a little bit.139701:33:31,470 --> 01:33:34,380Although this podcast addictpull from the index.139801:33:35,850 --> 01:33:38,700They offer that as an optionthey can pull from either one,139901:33:38,729 --> 01:33:41,669what do they pull from the API?They just pull from the feed?140001:33:41,699 --> 01:33:45,569Yeah. It perfectly API's forsome things for so if I have 10140101:33:45,569 --> 01:33:49,529shows listed in my feed, andsomeone somehow has downloaded140201:33:49,529 --> 01:33:54,659show 11, do they still get thechapter information?140301:33:57,149 --> 01:33:58,499That's undefined behavior.140401:34:00,180 --> 01:34:03,150So we thought actually, thatthat was the problem. And I140501:34:03,150 --> 01:34:05,790thought it was going to be aninteresting topic, too, because140601:34:05,790 --> 01:34:11,040I've never really had thisissue. No one's ever complained140701:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,310about it at least. And then wefigured out and this is140801:34:14,310 --> 01:34:18,060something that is occurring moreoften, particularly on the Apple140901:34:18,090 --> 01:34:23,430platform. My no agenda files areover 100 megabytes. And the141001:34:23,430 --> 01:34:25,770amount of emails I get frompeople saying can't get the141101:34:25,770 --> 01:34:30,120show. It's not downloadingdoesn't work die. They're all on141201:34:30,120 --> 01:34:34,440their cell connection. Andthere's the limit factor that I141301:34:34,440 --> 01:34:37,350think I don't know if that's itapp level, if it's abstracted up141401:34:37,350 --> 01:34:43,260there, or if it's set somewheredown below there is a limit for141501:34:43,260 --> 01:34:51,570downloading files over 100megabytes on iOS, and, and this141601:34:51,570 --> 01:34:56,700has caused many a loop in introubleshooting.141701:34:57,359 --> 01:35:01,319Interesting. Well, what do youhave The file size limit Josh on141801:35:01,319 --> 01:35:02,069just cast.141901:35:02,850 --> 01:35:05,460All right. I don't think so.142001:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,640Okay, but this is the app side.Dave.142101:35:09,630 --> 01:35:12,480Yeah, I was just wondering ifjust wondering if there was a if142201:35:12,480 --> 01:35:15,240you may have if the hostingcompanies may have seen these142301:35:15,240 --> 01:35:19,440problems before, with withlarge, you know, like, because I142401:35:19,440 --> 01:35:23,370would assume that if, iflisteners start complaining to142501:35:23,370 --> 01:35:28,140the pipe, like, like he did withyou, that list, start142601:35:28,140 --> 01:35:30,900complaining to the creators thatthen the creator, the host,142701:35:30,900 --> 01:35:33,900wouldn't the podcast Creatorwould then go to the hosting142801:35:33,900 --> 01:35:37,800company and say, Hey, is thereanything wrong with my setup?142901:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,880That's right. I don't know howmany people are doing 100143001:35:41,880 --> 01:35:42,840megabyte files.143101:35:42,930 --> 01:35:44,490Yeah, yeah, exactly.143201:35:45,689 --> 01:35:49,979Yes. Probably Probably the theexception, not the rule. No,143301:35:49,979 --> 01:35:51,029I just thought I'd mentionedthat.143401:35:51,660 --> 01:35:55,890Nick. Sin is 2222 sets. He saysa tweet from Kevin rook143501:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,450mentioned near the start. Oh,that's right. Yes. You ought to143601:36:00,450 --> 01:36:01,470listen around. Actually.143701:36:02,009 --> 01:36:06,779Let me let me take a look rightnow because that refers to the143801:36:06,779 --> 01:36:10,649number of value for valueenabled podcasts currently on143901:36:10,649 --> 01:36:14,669the platform. We had a huge day.I love these new stats, Dave.144001:36:15,629 --> 01:36:19,649Because I can see see everysingle day how many new podcasts144101:36:19,649 --> 01:36:21,179have been value for valueenabled?144201:36:21,570 --> 01:36:26,940Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah,yeah, I'm glad to provide that I144301:36:26,940 --> 01:36:30,030just think about it every day.I'm sure you do picking up on144401:36:30,030 --> 01:36:31,200there I'm literally144501:36:31,260 --> 01:36:34,230keeping track in a spreadsheet.Okay, it looks at it this time144601:36:34,230 --> 01:36:41,910on this day. Yeah. 7370 we'redoing over we have days we're144701:36:41,910 --> 01:36:47,970adding 50 to 60 podcast valuefor value and the value blog144801:36:48,630 --> 01:36:51,030Yeah, sorry I wouldn't we needsplit those out see how many are144901:36:51,030 --> 01:36:54,510three speak and how many areother three speak in other145001:36:54,540 --> 01:36:58,140doesn't matter. I mean, do no,no, no, really? I'm just curious145101:36:58,140 --> 01:37:00,810three speak uses that don'tthey? Or is that is Yeah. Or is145201:37:00,810 --> 01:37:03,720there like 3000 that are notreally used? And that's the145301:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,490three speak? No, I145401:37:05,490 --> 01:37:07,890don't think so. I mean, I thinkit's just I think three speak145501:37:07,890 --> 01:37:12,690automatically generate the mediagoes in. So I'm just curious.145601:37:12,720 --> 01:37:18,930I'm just curious. layman. Andylayman, our buddy 7777 SAS145701:37:18,930 --> 01:37:22,110through caster magic. He saysboost episodes.145801:37:22,439 --> 01:37:23,999Thank you striper boosts145901:37:24,780 --> 01:37:29,790strapper best or highest striperboost, April Kirby 8888. And he146001:37:29,790 --> 01:37:31,530says keep it fruity boys.146101:37:32,609 --> 01:37:33,809Boost we shall146201:37:35,670 --> 01:37:40,110see, by the way, OBS crashed along time ago. Not streaming146301:37:40,229 --> 01:37:45,089you need to stream yard isreally quite simple works. Yeah.146401:37:46,110 --> 01:37:54,000Ahlborn Citadelle 49,490 SATs.He says release the best pod146501:37:54,180 --> 01:37:57,570release the best of podcasting.2.0 on vinyl. I need some146601:37:57,570 --> 01:38:04,200ceremony. JCD boost please.Boost boost boost of vinyl. Yes.146701:38:05,070 --> 01:38:07,410Your ceremonial podcasting 2.0vinyl146801:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,500Yeah, we're it's almost donejust making the chapters.146901:38:12,510 --> 01:38:15,330It'll be it'll arrive as aseparate album to picture disc.147001:38:15,750 --> 01:38:18,870You stick it out, you'd lay iton top of the of the regular von147101:38:19,590 --> 01:38:24,720dribs got Bruce Wayne andpodcasting since 22 to 22 Cast147201:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,240Matic and he says, Can you guystalk about possible tax147301:38:27,240 --> 01:38:30,060implications of receiving sets?How should things be tracked and147401:38:30,060 --> 01:38:30,600reported?147501:38:31,680 --> 01:38:39,510Interesting. Interesting us thatI'm reaching out to to the147601:38:39,510 --> 01:38:42,960lawyer so you feel come on thetax, the tax attorney, debit147701:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,660card, Danny, no, no, not notdebit debit card, Danny's147801:38:45,660 --> 01:38:49,890figuring out a whole differentlevel. We'll as the guy who gave147901:38:49,890 --> 01:38:54,270us the opinion on, you know howthe IRS eventually will be148001:38:54,270 --> 01:38:57,210instructed, or you know, thereal definitions of the law.148101:38:57,570 --> 01:38:59,880We'll see if we can get him on.I'm still still working on that.148201:38:59,940 --> 01:39:05,430Trying to make sure we don't getbilled for it. But But I'll tell148301:39:05,430 --> 01:39:07,860them that we'll we'll put asplit in the value block and148401:39:07,860 --> 01:39:09,630that will send it right right tohis office.148501:39:10,170 --> 01:39:13,620Yeah, just for people that don'tknow and Eric Erickson, he had148601:39:13,620 --> 01:39:16,350to leave and get to some otherstuff because his life was busy148701:39:16,350 --> 01:39:20,670for him. So we had to get someother people that you know,148801:39:20,670 --> 01:39:23,310account to do some accounting,back office stuff that he was148901:39:23,310 --> 01:39:27,780doing. So Adams got this castof, like this cast of people149001:39:27,780 --> 01:39:30,240that I've never even met don'tknow anything. It's like every149101:39:30,240 --> 01:39:33,750other day. It's like, yeah, Igot this guy. Do so and so I'm149201:39:33,750 --> 01:39:34,650like, Who is this guy?149301:39:34,950 --> 01:39:37,410We literally have like fourdifferent people who have helped149401:39:37,410 --> 01:39:41,670us out very kindly at reducedrates. Yeah, yeah, right. very149501:39:41,700 --> 01:39:42,270kindly.149601:39:42,360 --> 01:39:47,160It took for people to do whatEric did. As a note, Nomad, Joe149701:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,310gave us 2000 SATs throughfountain and he says boosting149801:39:50,310 --> 01:39:51,510from the St. Lawrence River149901:39:51,540 --> 01:39:53,490to a nice nice150001:39:55,320 --> 01:40:01,440search when screw gave us1893 1893 resets. He says this.150101:40:02,010 --> 01:40:05,850He says this reading iswonderful. Seriously, there was150201:40:07,080 --> 01:40:13,050Thank you. Sir Doug 5000 SATsthrough fountain and he says,150301:40:13,710 --> 01:40:23,670boost moost Monty caca 1000 SATsand he says How about PATA phi?150401:40:24,330 --> 01:40:26,010positron when it gets sued?150501:40:26,190 --> 01:40:28,320What do you mean? What aboutPATA phi150601:40:28,379 --> 01:40:32,789member? Pot? Like PIO, ti F why?They were like,150701:40:33,659 --> 01:40:34,889oh, yeah, gotcha.150801:40:34,890 --> 01:40:39,660How about pod if it's not gonnalock a five baby block of five150901:40:39,660 --> 01:40:42,480Mary Oscar citizens hidden settest boost.151001:40:42,660 --> 01:40:46,440Thank you. You know what? Icaught that because it came151101:40:46,440 --> 01:40:49,950through on the boost bot. I'mlike, yeah, he's testing out151201:40:49,950 --> 01:40:50,550live.151301:40:51,420 --> 01:40:54,960It screws me up. But he's hisname is Oscar Mary. But his tag151401:40:54,960 --> 01:40:58,170is Mary Mary. And always want tocall him Mary.151501:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,420Yeah. Well, let's just startdoing that from now on. Okay.151601:41:01,140 --> 01:41:06,270All right, Mary. Hey, listen,Mary. We asked Leland today, you151701:41:06,270 --> 01:41:09,900know that he's gonna releaselive. You know, that's what151801:41:09,900 --> 01:41:10,740those booths are.151901:41:11,340 --> 01:41:14,550Yeah, they're it's he's in thehe's in the dungeon. Yes. Yes.152001:41:14,550 --> 01:41:14,910He's152101:41:14,910 --> 01:41:18,090cooking up in the cauldron.Exactly. Yeah. Those tests152201:41:18,090 --> 01:41:22,200booster kind of lame, though.Yeah, that's right. Just say and152301:41:22,200 --> 01:41:22,770Mary.152401:41:25,439 --> 01:41:31,259Caspian? Have he have the cheeseand 90 SATs? And he says yes,152501:41:31,259 --> 01:41:33,629yes. Yes. Invite the lawyer.Thanks for the word.152601:41:34,770 --> 01:41:38,490We will thank you. Cos by theduchies. I like that.152701:41:38,790 --> 01:41:41,190Yeah. Represent. Hey, I hope152801:41:41,190 --> 01:41:44,130you guys are boosting RobertJensen's podcast because, you152901:41:44,130 --> 01:41:46,890know, we need we still need toshow him that this shit really153001:41:46,890 --> 01:41:48,420works if he's not mentioning it153101:41:48,450 --> 01:41:52,080yet. It's not English. So if Ituned in, I'd have no no,153201:41:52,080 --> 01:41:55,050no, I'm talking to the Dutchguys. Okay, we got lots of Dutch153301:41:55,050 --> 01:41:56,430guys listening and gals.153401:41:57,180 --> 01:42:04,050Brian of London in the hive Dao31,741 status. So regular weekly153501:42:04,050 --> 01:42:05,700$10 from Brian of London go153601:42:05,700 --> 01:42:07,140podcast. That's right.153701:42:08,580 --> 01:42:11,760Bucha Can I just say that Brianof London can produce a blog153801:42:11,760 --> 01:42:17,490post in about 3.7 seconds. Imean, that guy five times a day.153901:42:17,820 --> 01:42:21,690Something happens and he has ablog post out before you can say154001:42:21,690 --> 01:42:22,410Bob's your uncle.154101:42:22,439 --> 01:42:30,119You know, why is that is reallyblood. That way Yes. 1000 word154201:42:30,119 --> 01:42:32,939blog. Something about these.It's probably in the matzah.154301:42:34,139 --> 01:42:36,779Yeah, those guys this issomething they're doing. And154401:42:36,779 --> 01:42:41,219then I got boss write blog post.And, and most of them are154501:42:41,219 --> 01:42:42,269excellent writers.154601:42:42,570 --> 01:42:44,940Yeah, it's not like it's a hagjob. It's I mean, it's like,154701:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,200but but here's the thing litterand I feel bad about this. So154801:42:49,200 --> 01:42:54,060Brian wrote a beautiful blogpost about pod pig. But the154901:42:54,060 --> 01:43:00,690title is, Hive is now pod pig. Itweet that out. And I want to155001:43:00,690 --> 01:43:07,590promote it. Wait a minute, letme tell you the exact title. I155101:43:07,590 --> 01:43:10,080want him to know why I haven'ttweeted it just because he says155201:43:10,110 --> 01:43:13,410hey, I can't tweet this becauseI've been blocked. Yeah, I155301:43:13,410 --> 01:43:14,130wonder why.155401:43:15,180 --> 01:43:16,290You have an account anymore.They155501:43:16,290 --> 01:43:21,600took it away. Here it is. Sohe's so he's taken a line from155601:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,600classic how daily source codeused to open something155701:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,350remarkable is happening here.Notifications are springing free155801:43:28,350 --> 01:43:32,940of the regulative gatekeeperswho've managed what you can155901:43:32,940 --> 01:43:37,680receive since notifications wereinvented. No agenda is lit by156001:43:37,680 --> 01:43:42,180pod ping on hive. Now if I if Iwere to tweet that out for the156101:43:42,180 --> 01:43:46,470next two months I'll bedefending hive hate you're gonna156201:43:46,470 --> 01:43:50,760get get hate. Get hate. And Ilove pod ping156301:43:51,450 --> 01:43:53,130It's unreal. tweetable it's156401:43:54,479 --> 01:44:01,409it's not appropriate. Just putit in our show notes though. Put156501:44:01,409 --> 01:44:01,529it in156601:44:01,530 --> 01:44:04,410the show. By the way, Josh thankyou for supporting pod paying156701:44:04,410 --> 01:44:07,110that's that's killer se seyou're just cast things come156801:44:07,110 --> 01:44:08,700through. Yeah,156901:44:08,790 --> 01:44:09,750it is good.157001:44:12,479 --> 01:44:16,409Satoshi stream 5552 says gopodcasting.157101:44:16,649 --> 01:44:17,909Thanks for Toshi strange157201:44:19,710 --> 01:44:24,810guy and Blog Post this week.Yeah, there's a merry Oscar with157301:44:24,810 --> 01:44:32,580another DAP. Sir Spencer12345 12 That's 345 SAS through157401:44:32,580 --> 01:44:35,610fountaining says excited to hearabout the medium tag in point157501:44:35,610 --> 01:44:36,450progress.157601:44:36,540 --> 01:44:40,620Okay. All right. Thank you verymuch for Spencer. Yeah, I'd157701:44:40,620 --> 01:44:44,310like to get a little furtherbefore we get dig into it. I've157801:44:44,310 --> 01:44:49,920got just scratching the surface,flooding and slips 4000 sets and157901:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,450he says set vertising podcastingfor value podcast one idiots158001:44:54,450 --> 01:44:56,700attempt at starting a value forvalue podcast.158101:44:58,830 --> 01:45:01,800Advertising Advertising. I likethat and158201:45:01,860 --> 01:45:06,480the delimiter, comic stripblogger 15,033 SAS and he says,158301:45:07,560 --> 01:45:13,230Sorry. Yeah. How do you evenAdam? Are you being infiltrated158401:45:13,230 --> 01:45:17,010or manipulated by Russianagents? They have a hidden158501:45:17,010 --> 01:45:17,910agenda. You know?158601:45:19,260 --> 01:45:22,830We were talking to the ChineseCommunist Party agent right now.158701:45:22,860 --> 01:45:25,650I mean, come on. We got Joshhere. Who needs the Russians? We158801:45:25,650 --> 01:45:28,920got the Chinese in here, man. Hesays,158901:45:29,370 --> 01:45:35,190anyways, I invite your audienceto buy my NF TS at open c.io/csb159001:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,690He sell an NF Ts.159101:45:38,670 --> 01:45:41,730That gets into that.159201:45:42,240 --> 01:45:47,400You don't buy an SD SD, Josh.Right. You don't sell them159301:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,130though. Do Hey, Don. Okay, good.159401:45:50,220 --> 01:45:52,770Okay, good. You can stay withus. We always had to kick you159501:45:52,770 --> 01:45:53,130out.159601:45:53,910 --> 01:45:57,870But we'll get both sides of thatsettled. He says anyway, I159701:45:57,870 --> 01:46:03,030invite your audience to buy myNF T's at open c.io/csb Thanks159801:46:03,030 --> 01:46:07,110to help from Roger roundy I'vealready sold six NF T's to five159901:46:07,110 --> 01:46:08,010owners. Yo,160001:46:08,040 --> 01:46:11,820wow. Very cool. Oh, we're happyto hear that.160101:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,460Yeah, I expect that set donationto go up there.160201:46:16,109 --> 01:46:17,189Should be increasing.160301:46:18,450 --> 01:46:23,190Monthly. You guys monthly paypals. We get who we who we get160401:46:23,190 --> 01:46:26,250here. Oh pod verse 50 bucks.Thank you. Pod verse. You pod160501:46:26,250 --> 01:46:30,780verse. Cameron. Rose. $25.David, meet us. $10. Mitch160601:46:30,780 --> 01:46:36,390Downey $10 Thank you, Mitch.Christopher. Horrible, Eric. I'm160701:46:36,420 --> 01:46:37,680nailing that name now.160801:46:37,710 --> 01:46:38,910condors. Yeah.160901:46:40,470 --> 01:46:43,560David Mitas already said Davidlisted fun fact. Friday. That's161001:46:43,860 --> 01:46:48,000David's show. And Jeremy knew $5Joseph maraca $5 and Boris161101:46:48,030 --> 01:46:49,500because it'll ski $1.161201:46:51,090 --> 01:46:56,160Only we could do something withRSS to to have some kind of161301:46:56,160 --> 01:47:01,890interactivity with our audience.I mean, our fans? Yeah. And161401:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,790could that be monetized? Or isthat only the only monetized161501:47:05,790 --> 01:47:08,400like Spotify does q&a and polls?161601:47:08,580 --> 01:47:12,600Polls? Yeah, we just we justhave a distinct lack of poll161701:47:12,600 --> 01:47:13,080juice.161801:47:15,570 --> 01:47:20,040Josh, thank you so much forjoining us today. I was just161901:47:20,040 --> 01:47:23,760joking earlier. Were you born inChina? Are you just are you?162001:47:24,450 --> 01:47:26,100Okay, so when did you come toAmerica?162101:47:27,390 --> 01:47:31,140I can 17 So when I come here forcollege?162201:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,580Oh, good. All right. And youdecided to stick around?162301:47:36,149 --> 01:47:40,889Yes. Much better? Well, youanytime it follows you better.162401:47:42,210 --> 01:47:48,750Although not much. I hear. Youneed to come to Texas, man. Come162501:47:48,750 --> 01:47:52,500on, hang out here you'd like tohear? I'll bet I'll bet you I162601:47:52,500 --> 01:47:55,560will bet you that Texans andChinese have a lot more in162701:47:55,560 --> 01:47:59,820common than people think. Ireally do. I bet you I bet you162801:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,690bet you like land. Or Josh, are162901:48:03,690 --> 01:48:07,980you going to do you go to thepodcast? conferences at all?163001:48:07,980 --> 01:48:10,020Will you be going to PodcastMovement in Dallas?163101:48:10,710 --> 01:48:16,230No. And I'm fine with it. Notnot me. I'm gonna call it and163201:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,240and yeah,163301:48:19,019 --> 01:48:22,139I gotcha. I gotcha. Well, if heever had just, I just want to163401:48:22,139 --> 01:48:24,029shake your hand and buy you abeer?163501:48:24,630 --> 01:48:27,090Yeah. So maybe next year,hopefully.163601:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,009Yeah. Excellent, excellent.163701:48:29,910 --> 01:48:34,230Josh is just cast, you can findthat at just cast.com. It's163801:48:34,230 --> 01:48:36,810definitely worth checking out.That's been look at the two163901:48:36,810 --> 01:48:39,810videos on how it works. It'sit's fun. It's fun to see this164001:48:39,810 --> 01:48:42,750very, very different type ofapproach. And I really enjoy164101:48:42,750 --> 01:48:45,990that. Thank you so much, Josh.Really, really appreciate me.164201:48:46,080 --> 01:48:50,100Course. Thank you. And thanks toeverybody who has supported the164301:48:50,100 --> 01:48:56,160project value for value is whatkeeps us going. And we164401:48:56,160 --> 01:48:59,280definitely see people carryingabout the you know, maybe164501:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,830everyone should just stop for asecond. Tina actually said this164601:49:01,830 --> 01:49:06,090to me today. And I pass it on toDave, just look at what we've164701:49:06,150 --> 01:49:09,780achieved in less than two years.We're coming up on episode 100.164801:49:09,780 --> 01:49:13,260We're coming up on two years.And that's crazy. And look at164901:49:13,260 --> 01:49:17,880what everybody has has achieved.Just look at it. And it goes165001:49:17,880 --> 01:49:26,190beyond apps and and services. Wehave friendships. We really do.165101:49:26,190 --> 01:49:28,560And these friendships these arethe people who are in these165201:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,970trenches now. He's gonna be gonefor a long long time. Yeah,165301:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,850yeah. Just look at all thepeople we know from 20 years165401:49:35,850 --> 01:49:38,190ago, you know when we startedthat outdated shit165501:49:40,800 --> 01:49:45,150Yeah, exactly. Just stop youknow look at what happens when165601:49:45,150 --> 01:49:47,580you stop using old outdatedtechnology. Yeah, you get165701:49:47,580 --> 01:49:51,360friends? No, I tend to think ofI think I said this to you this165801:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,830morning. I tend to get trappedin the PLA that's to myself the165901:49:56,010 --> 01:49:58,890What have you done for melately? No idea where it's like166001:49:58,890 --> 01:50:02,850you know is like if you're Notjust pouring out and ripping out166101:50:02,850 --> 01:50:06,780new stuff all the time, then youknow, then you're just locked166201:50:06,780 --> 01:50:11,280down or you're stuck slacker.Then you look back on and you're166301:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,130like, Oh my God. I mean, thevolume of stuff that does come166401:50:14,130 --> 01:50:16,260out of this project in such ashort amount of time is166501:50:16,260 --> 01:50:17,310incorrect. I'm going to wager166601:50:17,310 --> 01:50:20,250you, yourself have probablywritten over 100,000 lines of166701:50:20,250 --> 01:50:24,840code. For this project, I betyou're damn close.166801:50:25,560 --> 01:50:28,500Now, I wouldn't be surprised.Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised.166901:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,240Danis nice looking code to167001:50:30,930 --> 01:50:34,200know how to wouldn't go that.Josh?167101:50:35,010 --> 01:50:39,150I know. My see. You Oh, we167201:50:39,150 --> 01:50:40,350all right. Szybko, don't we?167301:50:41,670 --> 01:50:43,830All right. I don't know he'llbut I'm sure I left.167401:50:45,840 --> 01:50:49,140Thanks, everybody who tuned infor the lit version of the show.167501:50:49,140 --> 01:50:52,080Thank you all very much podcast.index.org. Josh, thank you167601:50:52,080 --> 01:50:55,860again. Dave. My brother. Thankyou. And everybody have a great167701:50:55,860 --> 01:50:56,370weekend.167801:50:57,180 --> 01:50:59,100So you guys by Josh?167901:51:00,930 --> 01:51:06,540No, he didn't say goodbye. Hejust hung up. I think he took it168001:51:06,540 --> 01:51:10,740as instructions. Everybody,we'll be back next Friday with168101:51:10,740 --> 01:51:12,450more podcasting 2.0.168201:51:27,660 --> 01:51:32,220You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 to visit podcast168301:51:32,220 --> 01:51:34,860index.org For more information168401:51:47,520 --> 01:51:48,630or falling down,168501:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,050tripped over my scissors. Theywere in the floor.