Episode 88: Hittin' the Hockey Stick

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June3 2020, to Episode 88. We're200:00:06,120 --> 00:00:11,640hitting the hockey stick. Hello,everybody. time once again for300:00:11,670 --> 00:00:14,580your weekly board meeting. Iknow I'm sorry, we're working400:00:14,580 --> 00:00:17,910overtime a little bit late. Butyou know, we did bring the500:00:17,910 --> 00:00:21,840scotch. So, and some otheraccoutrements. This is where we600:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,630talked about everythinghappening at podcast index.org700:00:24,630 --> 00:00:27,600the podcast standards andnamespace and of course, we're800:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,950the real creative juices podcastindex dot social. I'm Adam curry900:00:31,950 --> 00:00:34,320here in the heart of the TexasHill Country and in Alabama,1000:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,530your private chauffeur of thenamespace roadmap my friend on1100:00:37,530 --> 00:00:40,170the other end, ladies andgentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones1200:00:41,580 --> 00:00:42,420accoutrement.1300:00:43,170 --> 00:00:46,530Yes, well, we're a fancyboardroom, you see, we have a1400:00:46,530 --> 00:00:47,940cooter mom and I bought room.1500:00:48,390 --> 00:00:51,330Did you notice instead of donutswe have course all1600:00:51,390 --> 00:00:59,700Yes. With homage croissant avechomage. Hey, the show is lit.1700:01:00,390 --> 00:01:04,230This show is. This is soexciting. What just happened,1800:01:04,230 --> 00:01:07,470which of course, anyone who'slistened to the podcast has no1900:01:07,470 --> 00:01:10,050idea what happened. And I don'tknow if we can ever recreate the2000:01:10,050 --> 00:01:12,450excitement that we witnessed thefact that should have been2100:01:12,450 --> 00:01:13,950recording I think about it.2200:01:14,550 --> 00:01:20,310Yeah, the that was also firstfirst test run of the live pod2300:01:20,310 --> 00:01:25,650paying notification in detectionin the web hook receiver.2400:01:25,710 --> 00:01:27,990Wow, that is a horrible way toexplain it.2500:01:30,210 --> 00:01:33,240Take all the excitement and justsuck every bit of it out.2600:01:33,660 --> 00:01:39,330What happened was, I started thelive stream. And then I updated2700:01:39,330 --> 00:01:42,900through sovereign feeds. Iupdated the podcast and 2.02800:01:42,900 --> 00:01:47,790podcast feed. And I'm we'relooking at the chat room. And2900:01:47,820 --> 00:01:51,510all around the world. People gota ping on their phone that said,3000:01:51,510 --> 00:01:56,610hey, podcasting 2.0 is live. Youclick opens up, you start3100:01:56,610 --> 00:01:59,820listening and the chats rightthere. And we literally saw3200:01:59,820 --> 00:02:02,790people just flow into the chatroom one after another. It was3300:02:03,420 --> 00:02:05,520that's that's what happened.That's what you just said.3400:02:05,910 --> 00:02:10,230Yeah. That's what I said in themost boring way possible. Now3500:02:10,230 --> 00:02:12,990okay, so let me say, let me letme talk about it. Because3600:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,850definitely, the web hook is whatStephen put into sovereign feed.3700:02:17,850 --> 00:02:21,240So that's what sovereign feedsis how you generate the feed3800:02:21,240 --> 00:02:27,570these days. And so he put in theweb hook feature, where when you3900:02:27,570 --> 00:02:31,470generate the feed, you can say,Okay, send it to this server.4000:02:31,980 --> 00:02:36,210And it sends the feed the XMLfor the podcast, feed, it sends4100:02:36,210 --> 00:02:39,690it through a get request, or apost or whatever, do a post4200:02:39,690 --> 00:02:45,060request to the server that youchose. And then so what what I4300:02:45,060 --> 00:02:51,000added this week in, Alex helpedme get the Docker container,4400:02:51,990 --> 00:02:57,600Hive writer set up. So I gotthat on the web hook receiver4500:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,900server, and this is just a cheapfive bucks server. So I've got4600:03:00,900 --> 00:03:05,160that on there. So then when theywhen the XML for the feed comes4700:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,380in, when you send it throughsovereign feeds, it looks for4800:03:10,410 --> 00:03:15,180pod for status. In the liveitem, it looks for the live4900:03:15,180 --> 00:03:18,960item, it looks for status equalslive. And if he sees that5000:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,010attribute, it sends the live podpink, so you don't have to do an5100:03:23,010 --> 00:03:23,760extra step.5200:03:24,060 --> 00:03:27,240It's Rube Goldberg, only. It'snot with scotch tape. It's5300:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,700actually bolted together prettysolid.5400:03:29,970 --> 00:03:34,230Yeah, amazing. We actually havebolts and nuts and, you know,5500:03:34,260 --> 00:03:36,840like wrenches and stuff. I mean,this is actually turning into5600:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,040real tools here instead of just,you know, gaffer tape. No, I5700:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,270mean, like, I was holding mybreath. But it's just straight5800:03:45,270 --> 00:03:47,880out word, I got thenotification. So the cool part5900:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,560is you, you set up the feed, andthen you just hit Send a use.6000:03:52,560 --> 00:03:52,770That's6100:03:52,770 --> 00:03:54,930all I had. That's all I had todo. That's all I had to do.6200:03:55,290 --> 00:03:57,960And then all the rest of it justhappens. Yeah.6300:03:57,989 --> 00:04:01,799I mean, we monitored everything.But yeah. And you know, with for6400:04:01,829 --> 00:04:05,879years now, we've been doing thebat signal on no agenda. And6500:04:05,879 --> 00:04:09,449that's still manual. I'mliterally copy pasting putting6600:04:09,449 --> 00:04:14,069that into a tweet. This there'ssome bot pocket no agenda, I6700:04:14,069 --> 00:04:18,869think, which used to be the appis long gone. I don't I think I6800:04:18,869 --> 00:04:23,069don't know. But the developerset it up. So if I if only I6900:04:23,069 --> 00:04:31,529send a tweet and coffee pot, no,pocket, no agenda, then it fires7000:04:31,529 --> 00:04:35,849it has some link into these appsthat people still have on their7100:04:35,849 --> 00:04:38,639phones, and that fires off thebat signal. But now other people7200:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,849have tied shit into it. And andthat's what's cool, because7300:04:42,029 --> 00:04:45,899anybody can access pod ping.Anybody could monitor for live7400:04:45,899 --> 00:04:49,259status. You could do all kindsof things. Yeah,7500:04:49,409 --> 00:04:53,069hotel. Yeah, totally. And that'sjust the that's just the reason7600:04:53,069 --> 00:04:58,319code. We'll have one. You canimagine you started thinking of7700:04:58,319 --> 00:05:01,319all the stuff you can stack ontop of that. This, this kind of7800:05:01,469 --> 00:05:04,529is kind of amazing. But I mean,like the most exciting thing was7900:05:04,529 --> 00:05:10,109actually getting a notificationthrough pod verse. Like, he just8000:05:10,109 --> 00:05:14,489popped up on my phone. And theneverybody who has pod verse can8100:05:14,489 --> 00:05:16,019just tap it and you8200:05:16,020 --> 00:05:19,950saw that you saw them all flowright into the chat room. It's8300:05:19,950 --> 00:05:27,630so cool is amazing. Wow, that isokay that my breath is taken8400:05:27,630 --> 00:05:28,050away.8500:05:30,930 --> 00:05:33,660Yes, I know you're, I knowyou're listening, hosting8600:05:33,660 --> 00:05:38,160companies. This, this is whatthe future looks like this is8700:05:38,670 --> 00:05:44,580imagine your UI where yourpodcaster customer goes into8800:05:44,580 --> 00:05:52,410their dashboard. And instead ofpublishing a new episode that8900:05:52,410 --> 00:05:56,670they've already recorded,there's maybe a little drop down9000:05:56,670 --> 00:06:01,620there that says go live orsomething like that. They change9100:06:01,650 --> 00:06:09,630their status to live and boom,all the pod pings go out and9200:06:09,780 --> 00:06:14,490there's a lot and a live streamkicks on kicks in. And AK you9300:06:14,490 --> 00:06:19,830know, Allah squad casts styleclean feed style live stream,9400:06:20,130 --> 00:06:24,570and boom they're on the air. No,totally decentralized. Don't9500:06:24,570 --> 00:06:28,830need YouTube don't need any ofthat jazz. It's just all9600:06:30,150 --> 00:06:36,780they have a question when peopleare listening live in PA pod9700:06:36,780 --> 00:06:41,520verse or curio caster are theyalso streaming 100 sets per9800:06:41,520 --> 00:06:41,910minute9900:06:45,870 --> 00:06:47,460I would think so. Yeah, I'm10000:06:47,490 --> 00:06:51,120I would think so too. I justI've never even questioned it10100:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,000and just kind of popped upbecause it is a different type10200:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,580of medium. I have no idea howthere are these apps are10300:06:56,580 --> 00:06:57,810counting I don't know.10400:06:58,260 --> 00:07:03,150I don't either. We could you youcould watch the the node10500:07:04,500 --> 00:07:09,930Yes, I could watch the note butthen I need to purse Oh, there10600:07:09,930 --> 00:07:13,770it is. Yes. It just glowed greenfor me. No.10700:07:15,210 --> 00:07:16,080So it is where is it?10800:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,520Guest so yeah, I guess so. Sounbelievable. And people have10900:07:20,550 --> 00:07:25,320and and as it turns out, doingthe live day when the podcast is11000:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,220lit people love boosting andthey're boosting with vigor11100:07:33,060 --> 00:07:34,080vigorous boost11200:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,360listen to this. Let me seewhere's it11300:07:43,980 --> 00:07:47,730to lose the very best like nolawn ever11400:07:50,610 --> 00:07:54,990is my real dad to them is mycar.11500:07:56,850 --> 00:08:01,140I will lose them across the landboosting car11600:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,470Instagram11700:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,070Damon DeLorean11800:08:15,810 --> 00:08:17,700beautiful Pokemon I love it.11900:08:17,730 --> 00:08:22,290I want more though. I want moreof the chorus boosted grams Dan12000:08:22,290 --> 00:08:25,860and you could have like boostboost boosted grams. Really12100:08:25,920 --> 00:08:26,730dynamite12200:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,340either waiting to hit me withit.12300:08:30,510 --> 00:08:33,540Someone put it on the podcastindex dot social. I'm like, I12400:08:33,540 --> 00:08:35,910don't know. I don't know if Daveis, you know, I'm always12500:08:35,910 --> 00:08:40,650trolling the local timeline. I'mnot just looking at stuff. This12600:08:40,650 --> 00:08:44,310is me or people I follow. I lookat everything. Like oh man, I12700:08:44,310 --> 00:08:47,340hope David hasn't seen this oneyet. No, I didn't see it. And12800:08:47,340 --> 00:08:51,270it's even worse because like Iwant to, I want to really say12900:08:51,270 --> 00:08:55,950something about it. But I knowif I reply to that. I'm trying13000:08:57,330 --> 00:08:59,790the same on Twitter. It's likewhenever someone sends me a13100:08:59,790 --> 00:09:03,690great clip I just hit a like youknow, I don't reply. I don't13200:09:03,690 --> 00:09:05,670want anyone else to see that istoo good.13300:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,890Yeah, that's funny. DeLoreanThat's awesome. Yeah, reverse13400:09:10,890 --> 00:09:12,270boost. We need to reverse this.13500:09:13,620 --> 00:09:20,190Cool man. Did you see Kevin rook13600:09:21,450 --> 00:09:26,250in great episode with with Pollytoy?13700:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,330Oh, I have not I have not seenit yet. You haven't listened to13800:09:30,330 --> 00:09:34,620that episode? No, I have notreally good PLEASE DO what He13900:09:34,950 --> 00:09:42,360but he tweeted a a chart orgraph from which has sponsored14000:09:42,360 --> 00:09:50,910by voltage. And it's, it's, it'slike the most beautiful linear14100:09:50,910 --> 00:09:54,330line you'd ever want to see on achart and it's in the end. The14200:09:54,330 --> 00:09:58,920heading is 7000 plus podcasts onthe Lightning Network. And it's14300:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,470a timeline you got Take a lookat my Twitter real quick.14400:10:01,650 --> 00:10:06,690Oh, yeah, I retweeted it. Andyou saw it. There are now 700014500:10:06,690 --> 00:10:09,780podcasts on the LightningNetwork with 499 new shows added14600:10:09,780 --> 00:10:11,850in May. We're not. Where doesthe chart14700:10:11,850 --> 00:10:12,510come from?14800:10:12,630 --> 00:10:13,770That's a hockey stick.14900:10:14,339 --> 00:10:15,899Where did the chart come from?15000:10:16,439 --> 00:10:17,819I sponsor about voltage.15100:10:18,930 --> 00:10:21,810How do they do that? I don'tknow. This is what I've been15200:10:21,810 --> 00:10:24,870trying to get from you for weeksand voltage as it15300:10:25,290 --> 00:10:27,630just, I don't have fancygraphics.15400:10:28,620 --> 00:10:32,820This is just amazing. And I wassaying to Tina, I said, Cool.15500:10:33,000 --> 00:10:39,150Fuck marketing system. Thisflywheel spins by itself. So15600:10:39,930 --> 00:10:44,160the best kind of marketing andPR Did you did you do it?15700:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,030Really? You don't even do thissomebody else does for you. A15800:10:48,030 --> 00:10:49,290really favorite gun.15900:10:49,350 --> 00:10:53,640It really is. Man. I love it somuch. I voltage for I guess.16000:10:53,670 --> 00:10:56,880Yeah, and you're right. It it isit is literally a hockey stick,16100:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,170isn't it? Yeah, it is. That'slike home, like the real16200:11:01,170 --> 00:11:02,010car. Not the fake.16300:11:02,820 --> 00:11:06,480This is totally real. It's allright here. The booster grams16400:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,750are coming in. Oh, man. I lovemy job.16500:11:12,300 --> 00:11:15,210Somebody replied to that andsaid can you also release music16600:11:15,210 --> 00:11:18,840podcasts on the network? Oh,yeah. Heck, yeah, you can.16700:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,450Yeah. And I've had severalpeople call me about that. Who16800:11:24,450 --> 00:11:28,590have contacts within some ofthese. Some of these companies16900:11:28,590 --> 00:11:31,050and organizations we've beentalking about. So that's that is17000:11:31,050 --> 00:11:31,920moving forward.17100:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,690Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And Iknew that as somehow I just knew17200:11:36,690 --> 00:11:39,330that it was going to be like,people were going to respond to17300:11:39,330 --> 00:11:45,150that because it's just too it'stoo juicy of an opportunity to17400:11:45,270 --> 00:11:49,620be able to throw that out there.Because people have music and17500:11:49,620 --> 00:11:54,300that's the thing. Like, I mean,my my son, you know, he had one17600:11:54,300 --> 00:11:58,920of the things that cripple thecripple. Yes, exactly. Yes. The17700:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,450credit the invalid. Yeah, he'sthe convalescent17800:12:04,020 --> 00:12:06,480die. So the convalescent that'swhat we're calling from now.17900:12:06,989 --> 00:12:11,339He they're about to recordanother album. So they've got18000:12:11,339 --> 00:12:14,159like six more songs ready to go.So they people have music just18100:12:14,159 --> 00:12:17,819sitting there ready to go? Yeah.What's in Nina then Janine Allah18200:12:17,819 --> 00:12:18,089for18300:12:19,050 --> 00:12:22,920what's nice about these groups,and I'm talking to one next18400:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,670week. You know, they alreadyhave all the bands and18500:12:26,670 --> 00:12:30,780musicians, they have theonboarding. And, and it's very18600:12:30,780 --> 00:12:33,330well understood that I thinkthese people get like, Okay, we18700:12:33,330 --> 00:12:38,850have to provide an RSS feed.Okay. Yeah. Pretty much it you18800:12:38,850 --> 00:12:43,650know, and it's Spencer. Now,Who's he? Who's he working with18900:12:43,650 --> 00:12:48,660on on a reference music app? Wasit just him or he sounds? It19000:12:48,660 --> 00:12:51,240sounds like he had a wholeconsortium he was working with?19100:12:51,540 --> 00:12:54,840I don't know. It's kind of coyabout it. It's Astor Spencer19200:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,190always on the DL? To work onsome top secret stuff. I'm all19300:12:59,430 --> 00:13:00,720I'm all indeed up, man.19400:13:01,140 --> 00:13:05,250I want the I want the musicpodcast app on your phone. Oh,19500:13:05,250 --> 00:13:09,180yeah. I want that. I would eatthat up so much. I want to see19600:13:09,180 --> 00:13:15,930Did you hear? Did you hear thething about Spotify? One their19700:13:15,930 --> 00:13:18,930lawsuit against that companycalled Spotify? No,19800:13:18,930 --> 00:13:21,540I didn't. What's the what's theWell, part of19900:13:21,540 --> 00:13:25,650phi is like they're just aconglomerate of pot20000:13:25,650 --> 00:13:29,910dispensaries. I'm not sure wherethey exist. But so Spotify sued20100:13:29,910 --> 00:13:35,430him for Trademark Dilution orwhatever in and what evidently,20200:13:35,430 --> 00:13:39,360one hears me No, this past week.But I just thought that would be20300:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,840a great name for Spencer's musicapp. Spotify would have been no,20400:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,320not interested in last fiveminutes. But20500:13:48,780 --> 00:13:53,220just speaking of interesting wasthat article I heard about it20600:13:53,220 --> 00:13:57,120that there's some Spotifypodcasts that are apparently20700:13:57,120 --> 00:14:03,960making $18,000 a month and theyjust have a white noise or Yeah,20800:14:03,990 --> 00:14:09,480Pink Noise relaxing white noise?How does that make an advertiser20900:14:09,480 --> 00:14:09,960feel?21000:14:12,330 --> 00:14:17,340I don't know. I mean, what doyou what do you advertise21100:14:17,340 --> 00:14:18,720pillows? Or?21200:14:18,750 --> 00:14:23,100I mean, if someone's I mean, I'msure that these white noise21300:14:23,100 --> 00:14:26,220podcasts are not beinginterrupted by ads. Should they21400:14:26,220 --> 00:14:27,420be if the I don't know.21500:14:27,690 --> 00:14:34,740I guess I'll pre roll. I mean,it's pretty fired up. But I21600:14:34,740 --> 00:14:42,780don't I mean, to me, it justtells you that, that the fact21700:14:42,780 --> 00:14:47,400that somebody just discoveredthis, it says enough, right? It21800:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,250tells you all you need to knowabout what about podcast21900:14:50,250 --> 00:14:55,020statistics, and all that nobodyknows what the heck is going on.22000:14:55,290 --> 00:15:00,690And then two really surprising.I guess they were announcements.22100:15:00,690 --> 00:15:04,650But you know, I just listened todifferent podcasts. And so22200:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,400blueberry is now doing as an adinsertion product coming. I22300:15:08,400 --> 00:15:08,910guess22400:15:09,690 --> 00:15:14,880that's what I heard. And yeah,yeah, I guess they they saw, I22500:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,270think, I think everybody's gotsomething in the worst probably.22600:15:18,270 --> 00:15:22,830But they they probably saw thatBuzzsprout released theirs and,22700:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,230and, you know, need to leteverybody know that they had22800:15:25,230 --> 00:15:26,100theirs in the works too.22900:15:26,130 --> 00:15:29,340Let me say this about theBuzzsprout ad insertions. I'm23000:15:29,340 --> 00:15:32,640really, it's, I'm reallyimpressed because here's how I23100:15:32,670 --> 00:15:40,410heard it work. And it was on podland. So apparently, it finds a23200:15:40,410 --> 00:15:44,670good spot to insert. I don'tknow if that's dynamic and AI or23300:15:44,670 --> 00:15:48,000whatever. If there's some markerset, I believe it's actually23400:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,680finding that spot for you.23500:15:50,220 --> 00:15:52,680Yes, that's my understanding.Yeah. And23600:15:52,770 --> 00:15:57,270it kind of does this, it has alittle too loose music that gets23700:15:57,270 --> 00:16:03,510mixed in before. So under thelast words of the insertion, and23800:16:03,510 --> 00:16:09,720under kind of the first half asecond of that. And it's the23900:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,380same on the way out, so it's nota jarring cut. Very impressive.24000:16:13,410 --> 00:16:19,380I like that a lot. Then, I thinkit's dynamically splitting up24100:16:19,380 --> 00:16:23,280the chapters, the chaptermarkers, and and giving it a24200:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,730part two. So there was an24300:16:28,770 --> 00:16:30,750it's actually interestingtalking about it was actually24400:16:30,750 --> 00:16:31,320brackets.24500:16:31,350 --> 00:16:33,960Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Becauseactually, because you had an24600:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,870interview on pod land. And therewas a part two of your24700:16:36,870 --> 00:16:39,780interview, but you got to parttwo, and then in brackets, part24800:16:39,780 --> 00:16:43,530two, because there was there wasan insertion there. Everything24900:16:43,530 --> 00:16:46,740was perfect, except the imagebroke on the on these25000:16:46,740 --> 00:16:50,700dynamically generated chapters.Otherwise, bravo.25100:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,060Did it how did it break? BecauseI was looking for that just the25200:16:54,060 --> 00:16:57,840image broke. Like there was justno image at all. Yeah, just25300:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,560I just got a question mark.Okay, icon thing,25400:17:01,949 --> 00:17:09,299because what I was thinking wasthis shows for sure that you can25500:17:11,099 --> 00:17:15,869absolutely do dynamic adinsertion and still maintain all25600:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,249the correct timestamps.25700:17:17,429 --> 00:17:20,609Yeah, I'm not sure about thetranscript. I wasn't following25800:17:20,609 --> 00:17:24,179along when I knew because I onlykind of noticed that like, oh,25900:17:24,179 --> 00:17:28,109okay, hold on a second. Now,here's the thing. I cannot for26000:17:28,109 --> 00:17:31,139the life of me remember what adswere there? Because I skipped26100:17:31,139 --> 00:17:31,529through them.26200:17:31,920 --> 00:17:39,840I can't either. I know what Iwant the first insert the first26300:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,330insert seem pretty good. Likethe timing of it seemed pretty26400:17:42,330 --> 00:17:45,690good. The second insert caughtme like I think it caught me26500:17:45,690 --> 00:17:50,070like, right in the middle of asentence or something. I think I26600:17:50,070 --> 00:17:53,580paused or something like that.But no, I think that to me, it26700:17:53,580 --> 00:17:57,960just it proves that if you caredo it right. Your product you26800:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,450can do it right. You can adjustthe timestamps, you can get26900:18:00,450 --> 00:18:03,540everything right. Anybody whodoesn't do it that way and just27000:18:03,540 --> 00:18:07,500says oh, well, you can't dochapters because dynamic ad27100:18:07,500 --> 00:18:10,590insertion f it up as wellwouldn't know that if you don't27200:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,890care it will if you're lazy itwill but if you do it if you do27300:18:13,890 --> 00:18:16,950it this way, of course know thata word that does not just proved27400:18:16,950 --> 00:18:17,100it.27500:18:17,340 --> 00:18:21,090So when I don't know if this isup and running fully where that27600:18:21,090 --> 00:18:24,150but I think we should take acouple $100 in and promote27700:18:24,150 --> 00:18:27,690podcasting. 2.0 promotedifferent apps. Hey, hey, I hope27800:18:27,690 --> 00:18:31,320you're enjoying this podcast. Ifyou don't see a boost button,27900:18:31,740 --> 00:18:33,480you're late. You're late.28000:18:34,260 --> 00:18:39,510Yeah, get a bigger Paris. Oh,you got to see my big scissors.28100:18:39,540 --> 00:18:43,350Yes. And we also got a new a newpiece of art from Sir Pete28200:18:45,930 --> 00:18:49,860Yeah, the the giant the chancesare28300:18:50,700 --> 00:18:55,800this this running with scissorsit's become quite the thing.28400:18:55,980 --> 00:18:59,610Everyone's using the emojis andit feels good though. It you28500:18:59,610 --> 00:19:02,970know, that's that's why the lastcouple shows we had a lot of28600:19:02,970 --> 00:19:06,510shit broken. And there's somefrustration I'm sure Stephen B28700:19:06,510 --> 00:19:11,670was very frustrated. Then we hada little little fire alarm where28800:19:12,510 --> 00:19:16,620the feeds that I had generatedthe lit tag the live item tags28900:19:16,620 --> 00:19:21,630with they were breaking on dogcatcher. And I only got reports29000:19:21,630 --> 00:19:23,940from dog catcher I had no ideaif it was breaking anywhere29100:19:23,940 --> 00:19:29,340else. And I'm like oh manbecause you know I was that was29200:19:29,340 --> 00:19:31,680that was my running withscissors like I'll try it on no29300:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,520agenda. And we do not have noagenda and something breaks I29400:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,330hear about it.29500:19:36,899 --> 00:19:40,379Oh yeah, but what what'sinteresting though, from that29600:19:40,559 --> 00:19:46,619experience, is that you onlyheard about it from the dog29700:19:46,619 --> 00:19:49,529catcher thing I don't think youheard any other breakage No,29800:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,500no, but you know when I hearwhen I see two then I'm always29900:19:52,500 --> 00:19:54,510like, oh shit, something'sbroken. So I didn't at that30000:19:54,510 --> 00:19:57,840point I didn't know is isolatedto dog catcher. Nor did I know30100:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,930that dog catcher is what theycall a abandonware30200:20:01,590 --> 00:20:08,340Yeah, yeah. Because that's it. Iwas surprised that that even was30300:20:08,340 --> 00:20:11,910still out there. I had dogcatcher on my phone.30400:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,660Oh my gosh, it's probably justold. It's been around for a long30500:20:15,660 --> 00:20:16,050time.30600:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,650Oh, yeah, it's been 11 or 12years ago. I haven't. And that's30700:20:19,650 --> 00:20:23,460been the last time I used it. Ihad no idea it was still in the30800:20:23,460 --> 00:20:26,520only reason. The thing about dogcatcher back in the day that it30900:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,070lets you do that, that I don'tthink anything else did at the31000:20:29,070 --> 00:20:34,530time. Was that it let you choosewhere to store your mp3 is when31100:20:34,530 --> 00:20:37,230they were downloaded. You couldput it on the SD card of31200:20:37,230 --> 00:20:37,710Android.31300:20:37,740 --> 00:20:42,450Right? Right. Right. Right.Right. Oh, my goodness. That was31400:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,890progress back in the day.31500:20:44,370 --> 00:20:49,320It was Yeah. But that, I think,yeah. So we got I put out the31600:20:49,350 --> 00:20:55,470call to back started. Well, ourresident expert in XML. I mean,31700:20:55,470 --> 00:21:00,300he literally is like, was on theXML like committee. So I mean,31800:21:00,300 --> 00:21:05,130he's, he's the absolute expertcame in he said, No, you're31900:21:05,130 --> 00:21:07,770doing it fine. There's nothingwrong with this XML. The problem32000:21:07,770 --> 00:21:08,160was right.32100:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,070And he was just on the on the onthe mastodon, right.32200:21:12,300 --> 00:21:15,570Yeah, he popped back. Yeah.Because he, you know, he's, he32300:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,130came in and wrote a DTD for us.Right. Or, I'm sorry, an Excel32400:21:20,130 --> 00:21:26,310sheet. And design spec. And thatwas great. And then so I still32500:21:26,310 --> 00:21:29,610had his email and I'm like, Hey,do you mind popping in to give32600:21:29,610 --> 00:21:30,720some insight? Okay,32700:21:30,750 --> 00:21:33,180I thought he got the alert asremastered arm. Okay, I got it.32800:21:33,180 --> 00:21:33,540Yeah.32900:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,700It was awesome. In so he, youknow, it. It's, it was nice to33000:21:38,700 --> 00:21:44,010see to hear that the the tag isnot problematic. It's, it really33100:21:44,010 --> 00:21:48,300is a dog catcher. Problem codeissue. Yeah, though, and I'm the33200:21:48,300 --> 00:21:49,680I don't think it'll ever befixed.33300:21:49,950 --> 00:21:54,720No, the devs threw it right backat me. Yeah, he's no good.33400:21:55,170 --> 00:21:57,660I don't know. When's the lasttime they had a release when it33500:21:57,660 --> 00:22:03,540was 2018? Yeah. Once it goesthat long. I mean, it's really33600:22:03,540 --> 00:22:07,470hard to another release. It's agoner. Yeah. So I don't know33700:22:07,470 --> 00:22:12,240what I mean, what does thatmean? I think we still need to,33800:22:12,990 --> 00:22:17,670I've downloaded an emulator onmy machine. And so my plan is to33900:22:17,730 --> 00:22:20,160is to load up dog catcher inthere and just throw a bunch of34000:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,950live items stuff at it until Ican figure out what exactly it34100:22:22,950 --> 00:22:23,670is the bread. Yeah,34200:22:23,670 --> 00:22:26,490it's some kind of Java thingthat's breaking. That's it's34300:22:26,490 --> 00:22:28,560throwing an exception. But how34400:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,100to add a Java array index,negative one, and you can't do34500:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,080negative indexes in Java arrays?34600:22:34,110 --> 00:22:39,060Well, apparently, I have thatpower. If you want a negative34700:22:39,060 --> 00:22:43,170one, I'll throw one at you. Letme just press Publish.34800:22:44,010 --> 00:22:47,250So I don't know what's going onwith that. It's that I'm not34900:22:47,250 --> 00:22:49,830even I'm still not evenconvinced it's a it's a live35000:22:49,830 --> 00:22:53,100item tag issue. It could besomething completely unrelated.35100:22:53,220 --> 00:22:53,880And just,35200:22:54,629 --> 00:22:57,299I mean, it's I don't know ifpeople subscribed, they pay for35300:22:57,299 --> 00:23:00,809that or Yeah, seems likesomething would be cool to to35400:23:00,809 --> 00:23:03,989let open up and let people workon and create some create35500:23:03,989 --> 00:23:04,799something out of35600:23:05,340 --> 00:23:09,480Yeah, I do wish that older appsthat are out there abandonware35700:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,660would would open their code.Yeah.35800:23:13,260 --> 00:23:19,170Speaking of older Yeah, I'vebeen rockin Linux Mint on on my35900:23:20,250 --> 00:23:27,270Surface go version one for Idon't know four years now. And I36000:23:27,270 --> 00:23:30,420just love it. I mean, it's sofast and finally earlier this36100:23:30,420 --> 00:23:34,320week, the screen literally cameunglued on one side36200:23:35,820 --> 00:23:39,090is is your battery swelling? Isit the battery?36300:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,700No, it's just abuse. It's just Itake it everywhere you know when36400:23:44,700 --> 00:23:47,580you open that kickstand thatputs all kinds of pressure on36500:23:47,580 --> 00:23:52,410the bench This is the originalversion and and so I was like36600:23:52,410 --> 00:23:56,520okay I'm you know I really lovethis device and and I just said36700:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,850you know what, I'm just gonnaget the the surface go three.36800:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,490And so they've upgraded youknow, a whole bunch of things36900:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,700this thing screams reams it's sofast and I thought they stopped37000:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,060making it. Yeah, you can stillget them on Amazon for 40037100:24:12,060 --> 00:24:15,270bucks. Like this is fantasticand thanks to the Linux37200:24:15,270 --> 00:24:18,720unplugged guys I knew all thethings I need to know on how to37300:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,070migrate Oh nice. Yeah, I got mydot files37400:24:25,590 --> 00:24:28,440I didn't know they still madethe surface go I mean are they37500:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,700is it an older unit?37600:24:31,260 --> 00:24:34,890No. Brand new as beautiful thatyou know doesn't have that it's37700:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,550completely black it doesn't havethat that ugly Microsoft kind of37800:24:38,580 --> 00:24:40,080fake faux metal.37900:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,570Oh yeah, the vibe to it. Yeah,the funky material thing Yeah.38000:24:45,570 --> 00:24:45,660And38100:24:45,660 --> 00:24:47,970I already had the keyboard coverso it was pretty cheap38200:24:47,970 --> 00:24:50,700replacement Alma that thing isjust in the screen real estate38300:24:50,700 --> 00:24:54,300is bigger even though the theactual devices same size anyway.38400:24:54,870 --> 00:24:58,380Just want to say I'm so proud ofmyself for the migration. Nice38500:24:58,410 --> 00:25:04,230in one day. Yeah. Yeah. Let mesee I have, we have a guest38600:25:04,230 --> 00:25:06,090today in the boardroom. So I'mgonna bring our guests in in a38700:25:06,090 --> 00:25:12,450moment. Here's a little datapoint for you. Almost every day38800:25:12,450 --> 00:25:17,400I get the domain name renewalnotices. And they're pretty much38900:25:17,430 --> 00:25:22,590all on auto renew it untilsomething pops up. I'm like, and39000:25:22,590 --> 00:25:26,160I now I started to ask, can Ihave 1000s? Then that turns out39100:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,030to be a lot of money.39200:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,160That's a lot of money.39300:25:30,180 --> 00:25:34,890That 1000s Hundreds I was 1000sis not right, hundreds. And it's39400:25:34,890 --> 00:25:37,980just now it's 14 bucks, 14bucks, whatever it is. Don't39500:25:37,980 --> 00:25:40,080worry, please don't email metelling me I'm paying too much.39600:25:40,080 --> 00:25:46,320I know. I like DNSimple. I likethose guys. And so this is just39700:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,250a little a timeline. I got a oneyear renewal notice for fast39800:25:50,250 --> 00:25:54,960follow dot link dot link. Thatwas a year ago that we started39900:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,370talking about the fast follow?Yes. Just Yes. Just putting that40000:25:59,370 --> 00:26:00,480data point out there.40100:26:02,220 --> 00:26:05,010And you know, that I've been,I've been thinking about that,40200:26:05,010 --> 00:26:08,580because I've been pretty, that alot of the stuff I've done this40300:26:08,580 --> 00:26:13,860week has been index API stufffor various people, that hasn't40400:26:13,860 --> 00:26:18,540really been anything worthtalking about. And so I've been40500:26:18,540 --> 00:26:20,670I've been thinking Nina, I'veended up I go through these40600:26:20,670 --> 00:26:24,060phases where I get bogged downin, in sort of back back into40700:26:24,060 --> 00:26:28,140work, and I don't get any,anything done on like namespace40800:26:28,170 --> 00:26:32,730and sort of the more pushforward projects, and one of the40900:26:32,730 --> 00:26:36,660ones that that I really want tostart working on and pushing41000:26:36,660 --> 00:26:40,020forward on is the stuff we'retalking about with Nathan41100:26:40,020 --> 00:26:42,510Gaither, I would essentiallyfast follow with the with the41200:26:42,510 --> 00:26:47,400universal subscribe links. But Ijust haven't gotten time to do41300:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,240it yet. So we've got FFL like wegotta get framework to move41400:26:51,240 --> 00:26:51,840forward now.41500:26:52,439 --> 00:26:56,429I saw you posted a, an updateabout or a clarification of the41600:26:56,429 --> 00:26:59,609roadmap and how we're gonna howwe're moving forward and you41700:26:59,609 --> 00:27:03,929clean some of that up? On what Idon't know. I just saw a link a41800:27:03,929 --> 00:27:08,009post about it. Where I'm gonnathe social.41900:27:08,699 --> 00:27:13,289Did I post that? Yeah, I thoughtyou don't know what topic was.42000:27:13,319 --> 00:27:14,579Was this about? It was42100:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,040like I'm cleaning up thenamespace or some shit like42200:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,520this. Clean. Oh, I'm sorry. Thisis from 2020.42300:27:23,220 --> 00:27:28,590Yeah, I did back then. Welldone. This Oh, finished.42400:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,880So you could finally mark thatdone off your to do list.42500:27:34,380 --> 00:27:37,950Cry with it. You know what I'mgoing to do? I'm going to take42600:27:37,950 --> 00:27:42,300these John's scissors. I'm goingto I'm going to get to take them42700:27:42,300 --> 00:27:48,990to the engraver. Get Stevenbales name engraved on these. He42800:27:48,990 --> 00:27:54,600gets the scissor award for thecrates. He goes first for the42900:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,680live item tag.43000:27:55,889 --> 00:28:00,569This is there you go. So it'llbe our very own podcasting 2.043100:28:00,569 --> 00:28:06,839awards. And we hand out toscissors. So this is the scissor43200:28:06,839 --> 00:28:12,629for podcast of the year thisscissor the scissors for for App43300:28:12,629 --> 00:28:20,039of the Year this Yeah, of coursethis is are for contract, you43400:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,249know the feed contributions. Imean, we can come up with43500:28:23,249 --> 00:28:25,619everyone wins the prize.Basically. That's the idea.43600:28:25,859 --> 00:28:26,129Yeah.43700:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,290participation trophy. That'swhat it is. Yeah.43800:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,990No, it's a value trophy.43900:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,460The the scissor award for personwith the best jingle at the end44000:28:38,460 --> 00:28:41,940of the show. Yeah, well clear.Clearly named DeLorean she's,44100:28:41,970 --> 00:28:51,570yep, she is. She's top of theleaderboard. Man, let's see. Oh,44200:28:51,570 --> 00:28:54,660yeah, I just wanted just to makesure. This was kind of44300:28:54,660 --> 00:28:58,440interesting. I think a lot ofpeople got an email from from44400:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,520Oscar at fountain.44500:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,300Yeah, I got it. I got thatemail. Yeah, we all got44600:29:03,300 --> 00:29:08,220it. And I want to congratulateOscar on on on doing this. I44700:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,440mean, I never would have knownthat he does this kind of stuff44800:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,300where he's thinking that way.This is obviously a bug44900:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,360somewhere that fired it offbecause the email said, hey, you45000:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,140know, we noticed that youstopped using fountain do Would45100:29:19,140 --> 00:29:24,120you mind telling us why?Fantastic. Really, really smart.45200:29:24,270 --> 00:29:26,070Now? Of course it is. The bugsucks.45300:29:27,210 --> 00:29:28,770Because you said well, I used ita minute ago.45400:29:29,310 --> 00:29:33,930Like Hey, dude, you fucker. Butyeah, I was impressed by that.45500:29:33,990 --> 00:29:36,240I'd like these things. And45600:29:37,710 --> 00:29:41,700speaking of speaking us asrewards can we give? I would45700:29:41,700 --> 00:29:48,480like to put Alex into our splitfor this show as gay because he45800:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,270helped me a bunch this week. Andhe has been onboarding a bunch45900:29:54,270 --> 00:29:58,260of people to in a tube to noagenda to for all this kind of46000:29:58,260 --> 00:30:00,780stuff. So at the end, that's notcheap. So was Paul's put them in46100:30:00,780 --> 00:30:01,350the split?46200:30:01,380 --> 00:30:02,220Definitely.46300:30:03,449 --> 00:30:05,009Yeah, just got his pumpkin46400:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,320just briefly on this what Iwould love for two46500:30:10,950 --> 00:30:13,530I have seen Peter said I sentnudes46600:30:16,529 --> 00:30:21,659so I, you know, I would I'm soclose to be I can onboard people46700:30:21,659 --> 00:30:27,749into no agenda tube. I think wehave all the pieces together.46800:30:28,649 --> 00:30:32,519The for video I'm talkingspecifically. But even for for46900:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,739podcast release really for videospecifically, there's no way to47000:30:38,699 --> 00:30:41,879let me see if I'm explainingthis right. For a lot of a lot47100:30:41,879 --> 00:30:48,179of new people managing their,their podcast wallet in the47200:30:48,179 --> 00:30:51,599fountain app is very desirable.And I have a feeling that more47300:30:52,199 --> 00:30:58,559apps will be including thisfunctionality. They also have47400:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,099some statistics which podcasterwallet doesn't provide. The47500:31:02,099 --> 00:31:08,999problem is you can't claim a noagenda tube feed in the fountain47600:31:08,999 --> 00:31:13,229app because the no agenda tubefeeds don't have the owner email47700:31:13,379 --> 00:31:19,949items. Yeah, that's right. Sohow do we fix that? And what do47800:31:19,949 --> 00:31:26,069we need to do to make sure thatno agenda tool works as intended47900:31:26,069 --> 00:31:28,799that there's, you know, some ofthis web torrent stuff is built48000:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,529in as well. And we're not alljust sucking on Alex's pipe?48100:31:31,739 --> 00:31:33,869Sorry, for the visual. Yeah.48200:31:34,980 --> 00:31:38,880Thanks for that. Yeah, I thinkthat's, that's really the48300:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,820biggest thing with na ta rightnow is we're just gonna have to48400:31:42,330 --> 00:31:47,340be judicious about, you know,load loading him up. Because48500:31:47,340 --> 00:31:51,180every, every time somebodythrows a big pile of videos on48600:31:51,180 --> 00:31:54,990there, it's a direct hit to hisinto his wallet. So48700:31:55,290 --> 00:31:59,280can can. Now, I think thestorage is not that much of a48800:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,380problem from what I'veunderstood from him. But really,48900:32:01,380 --> 00:32:04,050the bandwidth could become aproblem. Is there? Is there a49000:32:04,050 --> 00:32:08,280way that can I set up a serversomewhere that that participates49100:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,130in the bandwidth sharing? Isthere? Is there anyone it was49200:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,830the other way around? I thoughtit was the bandwidth was not a49300:32:13,830 --> 00:32:18,330problem. But the the storage wasbetter? I'd be wrong about that.49400:32:19,740 --> 00:32:22,320Because I think what he what,what he does49500:32:22,350 --> 00:32:25,620is he needs to he needs to takesplits. I mean, he needs to be49600:32:25,620 --> 00:32:29,400creating these, just like an appshould be should you know,49700:32:30,450 --> 00:32:35,190somehow he needs to in the feedcreation needs to be able to49800:32:35,190 --> 00:32:37,800interact with the podcast orwallet system. I'm really49900:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,220talking out of my ass now. But II think you know what I'm50000:32:41,220 --> 00:32:41,730saying?50100:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280Yeah, we'll see he takes abigger split. But like when I50200:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,150set him up when I set people upwith by hand, since they don't50300:32:48,150 --> 00:32:52,080have email addresses, and I sethim up by hand. He on the in a50400:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,700tube side is a 20% split forhim. God because because of that50500:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,980reason, because of the of thebandwidth, which50600:32:59,010 --> 00:33:02,940which which is perfect. But thenonce you set up, how can I get50700:33:02,940 --> 00:33:06,930that person to be able to managetheir splits in the fountain50800:33:06,930 --> 00:33:07,410app?50900:33:08,310 --> 00:33:12,750Oh, in the fantasy that I don'tknow. I don't know how to51000:33:12,750 --> 00:33:17,310onboard it through that because?Because Fountain has it needs51100:33:17,310 --> 00:33:18,540the email address to work.51200:33:18,570 --> 00:33:23,460Right. And I did get a couple ofbug reports that people on51300:33:23,460 --> 00:33:27,150boarded through fountain butthen if the value block wasn't51400:33:27,330 --> 00:33:31,530wasn't propagating through toother apps, is that is that a51500:33:31,530 --> 00:33:33,690bug? Do you think? Or is that acaching issue?51600:33:34,110 --> 00:33:34,950Say that again.51700:33:35,190 --> 00:33:41,820So the it popped up on thebreeze feed it telegram where51800:33:43,050 --> 00:33:46,830apps onboarded through fountain.So that's how they got their51900:33:46,830 --> 00:33:50,790podcast or wallet. And that wasworking in Fountain but it52000:33:50,790 --> 00:33:54,510wasn't showing up in breeze orany other apps until I guess52100:33:54,510 --> 00:34:00,420later. Is there? Is there somelag? No, my patient might be a52200:34:00,420 --> 00:34:00,960bug.52300:34:01,260 --> 00:34:03,150It could have just bent. Yeah,it could have been some kind of52400:34:03,150 --> 00:34:08,010bug on on the fountain fountainside because we as soon as the52500:34:08,010 --> 00:34:12,780fountain onboard somebody Oscarsins the split, right back52600:34:12,780 --> 00:34:14,700automated straight back to theIndex. Yeah,52700:34:14,730 --> 00:34:17,580I knew was out automated. Sothat's why it's Yeah, question52800:34:17,580 --> 00:34:19,800is there might be a bugsomewhere or caching?52900:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,850Could be Yeah, it could be. Itwould have to be I would think53000:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,460because I mean, as soon as ithits on our side, it's it's in53100:34:26,460 --> 00:34:29,340there now. Oh,53200:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,220I'm almost out of breath. I'm soexcited by all of this stuff.53300:34:32,220 --> 00:34:34,350And then why don't we Why don'twe bring in our guests because53400:34:34,350 --> 00:34:37,410he's been waiting verypatiently. And he got up super53500:34:37,410 --> 00:34:40,950early. We stayed up late so wecould run together with our53600:34:40,950 --> 00:34:45,390scissors please welcomedeveloper owner CEO Big Kahuna53700:34:45,420 --> 00:34:48,690of the visie app, which I'vebeen testing today and I like a53800:34:48,690 --> 00:34:52,470lot. Hello, and welcome to theboard meeting. Nick Ivanoff.53900:34:53,700 --> 00:34:54,660Good evening, guys.54000:34:54,779 --> 00:34:56,909Did I say that right Nick? Is itIvanoff?54100:34:57,839 --> 00:34:59,039It is Ivanoff Yes.54200:34:59,070 --> 00:35:02,100Okay. Now This is reallyinteresting. Welcome, Matt,54300:35:02,250 --> 00:35:05,880you're you're in Australia, youhave kind of like an Eastern54400:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,780European sounding name, but youraccent I can't quite place in54500:35:09,810 --> 00:35:10,830either of those.54600:35:13,139 --> 00:35:17,609It's it's such a good question.And the accent is the bit that54700:35:17,609 --> 00:35:19,529always comes through and peoplecan place it. They're like,54800:35:19,529 --> 00:35:23,219where are you from? And it's100% True. My name's Eastern54900:35:23,219 --> 00:35:27,569European. I was born inBulgaria, in Eastern Europe, I55000:35:27,569 --> 00:35:29,519ended up growing up in SouthAfrica.55100:35:30,270 --> 00:35:33,780That's what I thought it wasSouth Africa. There you go55200:35:33,810 --> 00:35:35,130straight to Africans.55300:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,060Just a hint. I come brought up.Yeah. Ben55400:35:40,590 --> 00:35:42,780occludin. Nadler on to explainNATO loans.55500:35:43,380 --> 00:35:46,770Oh, no. Yeah, no, it doesn'ttransfer as good when I55600:35:48,390 --> 00:35:51,420know, I know. I know. But I'vespoken to so many South55700:35:51,420 --> 00:35:54,750Afrikaners now that I can I cancertainly understand what you're55800:35:54,750 --> 00:35:58,950saying. It's really interesting.Okay, so Wow, well, at least55900:35:58,950 --> 00:36:01,440you're not rushing, we shouldnot rush and man, you know, your56000:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,740app would be taken right off allapp stores. That will be56100:36:05,580 --> 00:36:09,720horrible. deplatforming will bereally sucked. Well, this is so.56200:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,160So this visie app, then. AndI'll just intro because Dave,56300:36:14,580 --> 00:36:17,370sent out the invite. I was notfamiliar with the app.56400:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,210And we talked about it a longtime ago. Yeah, it's been it's56500:36:21,210 --> 00:36:24,270been? Well, it's been aboutthree, three months ago, or56600:36:24,270 --> 00:36:25,140something like that. Yeah,56700:36:25,140 --> 00:36:27,750this was a very informative,this was a very enjoyable56800:36:27,750 --> 00:36:30,480experience. You know, I'm, I'malways the guy that's looking56900:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,320for Please, can we do somethingdifferent. And of course, every57000:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,800app is completely different. Butthis was so wildly different,57100:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,820because the whole pitch is, hey,you're gonna find and this is57200:36:41,820 --> 00:36:44,550pretty much the the dream, Ithink that everyone is talking57300:36:44,550 --> 00:36:48,840about. And it kind of works inthis case, where you come into57400:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,660this app, not into your standardlibrary view, but into a57500:36:54,660 --> 00:37:01,050discovery view, which includesdisease wishes, man, I had so57600:37:01,050 --> 00:37:03,570many dirty things going throughmy mind with that name, I love57700:37:03,570 --> 00:37:06,630it. I just, I just want to makean app with jerseys. But anyway,57800:37:06,630 --> 00:37:10,800so there's VCs. And you canshare those you can follow57900:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,240people, which is analogous to alot of the clips and sharing.58000:37:15,450 --> 00:37:19,380But the whole premise is reallya discovery. And I mentioned58100:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,350this to my wife. And she said,That's interesting, because that58200:37:22,350 --> 00:37:25,680would be I didn't give her anymore prompting, I'll see if she58300:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,730installs it. I think there is aneed for this type of immediate58400:37:29,730 --> 00:37:31,350discovery type app.58500:37:33,990 --> 00:37:38,760Yeah, yeah. And it's a great,it's a great way to introduce it58600:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,940into into the discovery screen.And I think what you find is,58700:37:42,750 --> 00:37:47,130we, even when I thought aboutit, initially, really approach58800:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,830the problem from the listenerside. So when you open the app,58900:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,370you can see that it comes at youwith exactly what you kind of59000:37:53,370 --> 00:37:57,300want from a podcast, appdiscovery. And if there is visie59100:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,350thing, what is this new thing?It's right at the top. Yeah, you59200:38:01,350 --> 00:38:02,910can get started and look throughit.59300:38:03,089 --> 00:38:05,519And you know, everyone shouldtake a look and see see what I59400:38:05,519 --> 00:38:10,889mean. But it's such a, it's likean upside down approach where59500:38:10,889 --> 00:38:15,479everybody has, you know, thestandard app view is okay,59600:38:15,479 --> 00:38:19,469here's your pot, here's yoursubscriptions, etc. But this,59700:38:19,469 --> 00:38:23,279this really drops you into, intosomething completely different59800:38:23,279 --> 00:38:26,219right from the get go. Andthat's what we're that's what's59900:38:26,219 --> 00:38:29,669so super, it's not like arevolutionary idea. But instead60000:38:29,669 --> 00:38:34,799of making the clip sharingsubjugated to the functionality60100:38:34,889 --> 00:38:37,799and discovery, it's kind of daysfor you. It's really more60200:38:37,799 --> 00:38:39,569upfront. I know, Dave, what doyou think?60300:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,850Yeah, no, I came over. I came atit from the, from a from a60400:38:44,850 --> 00:38:48,600different sort of standpoint,because, Nick, I had never seen60500:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,390the app before I talked to Nickone day and him and his60600:38:51,450 --> 00:38:54,090partners. Forgive me, Nick, Idon't remember their name.60700:38:54,540 --> 00:38:59,520Names. But we, you know, he wasthey were sort of showing me the60800:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,660whole their whole idea from it.And I was I just got so hyper60900:39:03,660 --> 00:39:08,130focused on the like, the chapteraspect or these markers within61000:39:08,310 --> 00:39:15,300the within the show. And likethat, that where you can like61100:39:15,330 --> 00:39:17,460Insert Stuff. Do you want totalk about that, Nick, where61200:39:17,460 --> 00:39:20,670it's like, yep, this becausethere was a debt. There's a61300:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,720dashboard, and some other andsome other stuff that I don't61400:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,480remember how to access? Do youwant to let go? Like, talk a61500:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,560little bit how that works?61600:39:29,670 --> 00:39:33,030Absolutely. So it's a great wayto talk about because you're61700:39:33,030 --> 00:39:36,690tackling both ends of theplatform. So we built the app as61800:39:36,690 --> 00:39:40,050an output. And if you go into avisit, you'll see that there's61900:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,890images there screens of thechange, they're time stamped to62000:39:43,890 --> 00:39:49,260the audio. And then what weshowed you was the back end,62100:39:49,260 --> 00:39:51,870which is how you create thatexperience, which is why it's62200:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,450right in front of the app sayinghey, there's another way to do62300:39:54,450 --> 00:39:59,700this. We're trying somethingnew. Try it so you can see it62400:39:59,850 --> 00:40:03,900out. And, straightaway, so theback end of the platform, every62500:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,320image is essentially a chapterand enriched chapter, which is62600:40:07,320 --> 00:40:14,460time stamped to the mp3. So thepodcaster, or producer would go62700:40:14,490 --> 00:40:19,470and claim their podcast, app dotvisit or FM. And in there will62800:40:19,470 --> 00:40:22,800be their feed already. And theycan create these chapters and62900:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,920attach images. And alsointeractions. If you have a play63000:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,190around with the top bar, whichlooks consistent on each page.63100:40:29,430 --> 00:40:32,670They can do interactions whereit links through to the internet63200:40:32,790 --> 00:40:34,170directly from the player screen.63300:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,120Yeah, so it's like it's it'slike a rich chapter editor. But63400:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,990then there's also I think, tellme if I remember this right63500:40:42,990 --> 00:40:46,710there, because your way thefolk, I think what your focus63600:40:46,710 --> 00:40:52,380was, or at least part of it wasbeing able to have a better ad63700:40:52,470 --> 00:40:58,290advertising. I guess notexperienced, but like, there are63800:40:58,290 --> 00:41:01,500maybe that is right, I betterlike have ads that actually do63900:41:01,500 --> 00:41:05,010something and are better thanjust like a, like a display.64000:41:06,660 --> 00:41:11,100Exactly. So I mean, this is thisis our proof of concept. So we64100:41:11,100 --> 00:41:15,210can put it in front of peopleand have them see it. You guys64200:41:15,210 --> 00:41:18,210saw it and you enjoyed it. Soour next move is to open that64300:41:18,210 --> 00:41:20,160up, which is why I'm so excitedto speak to you guys. Because64400:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,810this is the probably the centralplace in open podcasting to talk64500:41:24,810 --> 00:41:25,140about64600:41:25,140 --> 00:41:29,280how Yeah, hell yes, actually,the board meeting, there's no64700:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,180doubt about it64800:41:30,180 --> 00:41:34,170sucks. I'm just I'm just happyto be and this is my my first64900:41:34,170 --> 00:41:36,630appearance on a on a podcast,writing.65000:41:37,050 --> 00:41:41,970Are you doing very well, you'relike nothing, bro. Yes, perfect.65100:41:42,270 --> 00:41:46,500Thank you. So the next step isokay, the listeners always say65200:41:46,500 --> 00:41:51,060the same thing. How do I get myshow on here? The podcast is in65300:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,820the hosting companies have, youknow, their own twist on it. So65400:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,020our next steps are opening itup. So we would like the editing65500:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,450process in the back end. Andit's been described as an65600:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,320authoring tool to make it reallysimple and easy so that people65700:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,190actually use it. So we get moreadoption on chapters, and then65800:42:08,850 --> 00:42:12,630work with others that want tostay in the open and unrolled65900:42:12,630 --> 00:42:18,570garden systems to be able todrop smart or interactive ads.66000:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,850So if you are going to have apretty good experience, like in66100:42:20,850 --> 00:42:24,690Buzzsprout, where they've done agreat job of writing finding the66200:42:24,690 --> 00:42:27,570right place. And you know,they've, it's very clever to66300:42:27,570 --> 00:42:29,760have a jingle, right? Becauseyour mind goes well, okay, this66400:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,310is an ad, I know what this is.Would it be nice if there was66500:42:32,310 --> 00:42:34,920also a visual and a call toaction? So we're working on a66600:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,540way to get that into theplatform. Now?66700:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,220Are these these chapters? Arethey the same? Do they fit in66800:42:41,220 --> 00:42:46,020the same form as a 2.0 chapters,I'm a little lost on this.66900:42:47,370 --> 00:42:51,840Currently, no, currently, theythey are directly output it to67000:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,190our output we're engineeringthrough now is actually creating67100:42:56,220 --> 00:42:59,610the process one step further.Because currently, it's attached67200:42:59,610 --> 00:43:05,220to the feed. So version two willbe paid bringing your mp3, drop67300:43:05,220 --> 00:43:10,530it into the system, chapters,markers, images or links you67400:43:10,530 --> 00:43:13,800want. And we will output a bunchof stuff that you can use. So67500:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,120we'll output an mp3 which hasbeen enriched, that works in the67600:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,250open system, as well as the JSONthat you can use to67700:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,370podcast. Nice, nice. And67800:43:23,370 --> 00:43:25,890mp4. If you want to go toYouTube, you decide where you67900:43:25,890 --> 00:43:29,640want to go. We even want tobuild a web player with the68000:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,080chapters and the images insideit. So you can use that too if68100:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,490you just want to roll on thedesktop.68200:43:35,549 --> 00:43:40,379So interesting how how you'regoing to eat68300:43:44,130 --> 00:43:45,900in which since you've been feed,68400:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,790do you have any way? Do you havea way of making money doing this68500:43:50,820 --> 00:43:56,310monetizing? Oh, there's a usethe monetize word. monetize?68600:43:56,310 --> 00:43:59,700Good. First try. You're a newbieto podcasting. But we'll let you68700:44:00,630 --> 00:44:01,290slide.68800:44:02,550 --> 00:44:05,310I'm a newbie, I have to be onefoot in the startup ecosystem to68900:44:05,310 --> 00:44:10,860so that's a famous, right,you're monetizing? What's your69000:44:10,860 --> 00:44:15,270financial model look like? Yeah,really? Look, there's a few69100:44:15,270 --> 00:44:19,800ways, you know, directsubscription for people to use69200:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,370the platform we're trying tothink about and what you guys69300:44:23,370 --> 00:44:27,420touched upon it earlier. And Ithink I think keeping podcasting69400:44:27,420 --> 00:44:32,010open really working together isa big deal. And I think some of69500:44:32,010 --> 00:44:35,430the hosting platforms could alsobenefit from differentiating69600:44:35,430 --> 00:44:40,140themselves and allowing a reallyeasy, clean way to provide69700:44:40,140 --> 00:44:43,200enriched chapters that workacross different platforms69800:44:43,650 --> 00:44:47,250to let external tools also beused within their publishing69900:44:47,250 --> 00:44:47,760system.70000:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,940Exactly. You know, Dave saidearlier, right? He goes, Why70100:44:50,940 --> 00:44:53,010can't we have this is the userexperience, you have a drop70200:44:53,010 --> 00:44:57,330down, it's in the home thatyou're used to use it from70300:44:57,330 --> 00:45:00,450within that dashboard. Like thatwill be really powerful. awful.70400:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,890And it'll help us reach that.What is it 11% of podcasts using70500:45:04,890 --> 00:45:08,070chapters? You know, let's get itto like 40. What would that is70600:45:08,070 --> 00:45:09,360it really? 11%?70700:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,370Isn't that 11%? That can't betrue.70800:45:11,490 --> 00:45:13,920I think it was. I think it was11.70900:45:14,340 --> 00:45:17,970Relieve. That seems?71000:45:19,980 --> 00:45:22,170Yeah, I think it's lower thannine that that's even71100:45:22,170 --> 00:45:22,920lower than that.71200:45:23,340 --> 00:45:26,490I'm suspicious. I'm suspiciousof that number.71300:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,510Don't trust anything. I don'ttrust anybody anything. And the71400:45:30,510 --> 00:45:32,820hunter lab Hunter Biden laptopwas real.71500:45:33,210 --> 00:45:37,620It was? Yeah, I don't I don'tthink that. Like, I think the71600:45:37,620 --> 00:45:41,310one I heard was 1%. Like one oneand a half percent or something.71700:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,430I don't know. That seems oddlylow to71800:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,200too low. That's also too high.You know, I had I had, this is71900:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,160very interesting. Today, I had aconversation with a Dutch72000:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,030developer. And he's created asystem. He's also one foot in72100:45:57,030 --> 00:46:00,930the startup ecosystem. And he'salso looking at, well, he72200:46:00,930 --> 00:46:05,490actually had it like an SEOtool, where he was he says, I'll72300:46:05,490 --> 00:46:11,580take, you literally ingest themp3. It does a transcript. But72400:46:11,580 --> 00:46:16,320then he did build all this AI.So you can cross reference all72500:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,210of these different podcasts andcome up with ideal podcasts for72600:46:21,210 --> 00:46:25,080Unilever to advertise on. And Iliked it, not for the72700:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,570advertising part. But I said,Wow, what a great tool. That72800:46:27,570 --> 00:46:31,710would be if if someone's justlooking for something that was72900:46:31,710 --> 00:46:35,280said on podcasting 2.0 You typeit in, you get a bunch of73000:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,580episodes, you get some otherepisodes that reference it or73100:46:38,610 --> 00:46:41,940from different podcasts. Andyou're literally just clicking73200:46:41,940 --> 00:46:45,600around on timestamps, andthere's a little editor in there73300:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,570for you to make a clip or avisie. You know, there should be73400:46:48,690 --> 00:46:52,620additional CI is an openstandard for clip. My God, have73500:46:52,620 --> 00:46:55,020we ever thought of that we everthought of something like that?73600:46:55,020 --> 00:46:59,790Yeah. So so the idea that thatopen, and that that companies73700:46:59,790 --> 00:47:03,900can start using external tools.And I mean, this is this73800:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,860something it started with hypercapture for me. Now hyper73900:47:07,860 --> 00:47:11,370capture, you can tap on thepodcast while it's playing, and74000:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,710you can create a chapter mark,and they also have a back end74100:47:13,710 --> 00:47:18,600studio. And you know, Dave Nolanwas probably the first to do74200:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,530this. And now he's revamping andjust seems like there's there's74300:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,910already a rich ecosystem oftools out there. Through the74400:47:26,940 --> 00:47:29,880podcast standards in thenamespace, we should be able to74500:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,370allow people to cook into eachother.74600:47:33,330 --> 00:47:40,320So Steven B, is what he sent aboost he just boosting said 222274700:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,720says and he says what tech stackis visa using? Oh,74800:47:45,750 --> 00:47:49,290the engineering so I'm, I'msomewhere in the in the middle.74900:47:49,650 --> 00:47:54,570between you guys. Well, I'm notan engineer. So it'd be best75000:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,860we didn't. We don't have theright guy. The right guy on the75100:47:58,860 --> 00:47:59,640wrong the wrong.75200:48:01,350 --> 00:48:03,660Just just those words justdoesn't buzzwords.75300:48:04,350 --> 00:48:13,620buzzwords, what are we? Amazons3 bucket. What do we have for75400:48:13,620 --> 00:48:14,730the app React Native?75500:48:17,550 --> 00:48:19,110Yes. Okay, for React now.75600:48:20,220 --> 00:48:23,190Feels real good. React Nativefeels real good.75700:48:24,180 --> 00:48:30,960Yeah, it is like, so what was itthough? What was it about the75800:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,250editor? Because I've tried tofind, I think you just showed it75900:48:35,250 --> 00:48:39,000to me, I don't think I actuallycould access it. Because I went76000:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,870and went back to try to look atit again. What was it about the76100:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,450app, you had some special thingswith ads, they were able to,76200:48:50,070 --> 00:48:54,990you're able to do something withwith tracking how the links work76300:48:54,990 --> 00:48:57,720or something like that wasrefresh my memory.76400:48:58,230 --> 00:49:02,700So currently, obviously, we havethe capability to track76500:49:02,790 --> 00:49:08,280everything that happens on theapp. And as we build it to be76600:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,070distributed in more places, wewould also be able to track so76700:49:11,070 --> 00:49:15,870the the idea behind it is we'rewe're also preparing our API to76800:49:15,870 --> 00:49:19,140be open so that we can use itacross different ecosystems. I76900:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,230mean, the alternate enclosure issomething very similar that I'm77000:49:22,230 --> 00:49:25,380very interested in, in inpodcasting 2.0, which is, hey,77100:49:25,380 --> 00:49:29,940can we display something like avisie outside of the visie app,77200:49:30,210 --> 00:49:33,390but if it is displayed, then wewould still be collecting data,77300:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,360for example, if you're talkingabout something you can purchase77400:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,380on Amazon, as Adam was earlier,and you actually displayed that77500:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,050on this screen because you usethe rich chapter that you77600:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,340created in in the portal, rightand then there was a button on77700:49:47,340 --> 00:49:49,950which people clicked and theyended up buying something that77800:49:49,950 --> 00:49:51,210will be attribution. Oh, that's77900:49:51,210 --> 00:49:54,000what it was. So that's our Yeah,that's what it was78000:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,880like, like, like automatedaffiliate sales.78100:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,640Literally, so they There's thisother missing piece and, and78200:50:02,910 --> 00:50:06,390it's two ends of the spectrum,you guys dealing with the value78300:50:06,390 --> 00:50:09,300for value. And I'm educatingmyself on it. I've got the78400:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,000engineers reading about it. Butthen there's this other side of78500:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,540podcasting where, and again,these numbers we have to take78600:50:15,540 --> 00:50:18,360into consideration. They keepchanging, but I think they're78700:50:18,360 --> 00:50:24,870roughly correct. 60% of peopleare said in a survey, to have78800:50:24,870 --> 00:50:27,630gone looking for things thatthey heard about in podcasts,78900:50:27,630 --> 00:50:29,820which kind of feels right,because I do it. You know, it's79000:50:29,820 --> 00:50:33,180one of the things that gavevisie birth is, I want to stop79100:50:33,180 --> 00:50:35,460Googling, I want it to be righthere in front of me when I need79200:50:35,460 --> 00:50:39,300it right. Now, if we'reapproaching 500 million people79300:50:39,390 --> 00:50:42,240give or take listening to atleast one episode per month.79400:50:43,170 --> 00:50:45,780That is a lot of revenuegenerated across the internet,79500:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,650but it's not associated with thepodcasters know, right. How do79600:50:49,650 --> 00:50:51,990we bring it back in theecosystem? You know, if you79700:50:51,990 --> 00:50:55,080didn't do the the funnel, theyou know, the finance stuff, 1%79800:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,980of them by something, it's worth$30. You know, that's a billion79900:50:58,980 --> 00:51:02,970dollars almost generated frompodcasting. There is no way80000:51:02,970 --> 00:51:06,120attributed back. So we'retackling this part of the system80100:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,760of pay, how do we empower thecreators to actually get some of80200:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,030the revenue of the sales thatthey are generating anyways?80300:51:16,410 --> 00:51:17,640Yeah, so that's a80400:51:17,970 --> 00:51:20,340big focus of the portal. Yeah.Yeah. I80500:51:20,340 --> 00:51:23,880mean, I clearly bought thesegigantic scissors.80600:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,540Scissors. Yeah. And everybodywants their own personal pair.80700:51:30,540 --> 00:51:31,830I'd be tapping away.80800:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,100Yeah, I should. I should getbegin affiliate kickbacks for80900:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,210this stuff, man. If you're81000:51:36,210 --> 00:51:38,790if you're if you haven't, if youhave CarPlay. Right now, you're81100:51:38,790 --> 00:51:41,100seeing scissors on your screen?That's right.81200:51:41,820 --> 00:51:42,630Thanks. Right. And that's81300:51:42,630 --> 00:51:45,720another thing, you know, we'removing, you know, cars are about81400:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,170to be autonomous and they havebig screens, why not? Home81500:51:49,170 --> 00:51:52,110speakers have screens, you know,there's a little bit more, I81600:51:52,110 --> 00:51:54,750think, I think podcasting couldhave a little bit more.81700:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920Something that's just a bit morethan audio a little bit less81800:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,250than video, we get into that.And not everyone can afford an81900:52:02,250 --> 00:52:05,640amazing production team. But ifyou can create your own visuals,82000:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,120you're kind of halfway therewithout the studio and in the82100:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,410editing skills. So hopefully,you know, it's82200:52:13,470 --> 00:52:17,010if you don't mind me asking, doyou have investors? Is that are82300:52:17,010 --> 00:52:19,410you financing these yourself? Doyou have day jobs?82400:52:20,339 --> 00:52:22,829Oh, man, so I quit my day job,82500:52:23,190 --> 00:52:26,790adulation. Nothing like82600:52:27,300 --> 00:52:30,390nothing. And I'm talking likeseven months ago since I last82700:52:30,420 --> 00:52:39,690got any income. No investors. Sofar, we've used our money to82800:52:39,690 --> 00:52:43,590this point, and it's yeah, it'sbeen an expensive adventure so82900:52:43,590 --> 00:52:45,720far, but well worth it. Wellworth it.83000:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,090What's your background?83100:52:49,710 --> 00:52:54,450My background, so I come from mybackgrounds probably as mixed up83200:52:54,450 --> 00:52:58,830as my upbringing, which is beingobviously wonderful, but like83300:52:58,830 --> 00:53:05,010from so many places, so I wentto school for biology, and83400:53:05,010 --> 00:53:09,450pharmacy, and then decidedthat's not really my path.83500:53:09,509 --> 00:53:12,929I went to school for pharmacy aswell. Interestingly enough, just83600:53:13,019 --> 00:53:17,939different different paths,different paths, but better83700:53:17,939 --> 00:53:19,289living through medicine, baby.83800:53:20,910 --> 00:53:24,960It is. But I decided maybe notthe best way to earn good money.83900:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,950So I got out and I worked forFinTech in a in FinTech for84000:53:28,950 --> 00:53:37,440seven years. And then exited out2021 After an amazing Ron, but I84100:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,590decided, you know, I need to Ineed to do something else. And84200:53:40,620 --> 00:53:43,650unlike all my other brethrenthat came out of FinTech and84300:53:43,650 --> 00:53:46,560went to payments or buy now paylater, I decided to go for84400:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,350something I'm really passionateabout. And you said it earlier,84500:53:49,350 --> 00:53:54,030you know, it's changes. I'm justlooking more so than anything84600:53:54,030 --> 00:53:58,530else to help change. And I thinkpodcasting is just so huge, and84700:53:58,530 --> 00:54:02,280it will become so much bigger,right? And we've got this, if we84800:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,250go back to the start andobviously, Adam, you were there.84900:54:05,250 --> 00:54:08,430But right, we had iPods and I'velistened to a podcast and an85000:54:08,430 --> 00:54:12,360iPod is now discontinued. I'velistened to a lot of podcasts on85100:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,440iPod Touch. Also discontinued.Yep. Now it's all iPhones and85200:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,110smartphones. But if you look atthe player screen, it hasn't85300:54:19,110 --> 00:54:22,740really changed. Correct. It'sthe same thing. It's like a85400:54:22,740 --> 00:54:28,860cassette deck, Play, Pause. fastforward and rewind. You know,85500:54:28,890 --> 00:54:33,120yeah, like, Hey, I've seen thissomewhere before. Yep. And it's,85600:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,360it's essentially, what I wouldlike to say the commercial side85700:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,260is on the most valuable realestate in the world is correct,85800:54:40,290 --> 00:54:41,370but it's a cassette deck.85900:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,020Correct. Which is why we're soproud of our our boost button,86000:54:46,260 --> 00:54:49,650being front and center as a wayfor people to support what86100:54:49,650 --> 00:54:52,920they're listening to at thatmoment. I mean, that that, would86200:54:52,950 --> 00:54:58,710that. I mean, that wasn't evenplanned. She just happened. And86300:54:58,710 --> 00:55:01,920then you know, confetti And, andall this other stuff. And that's86400:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,590also a part of the openecosystems, you get all this86500:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,430creativity and, and you know, alot of stuff falls by the86600:55:08,430 --> 00:55:11,280wayside and a lot of stuffsticks a lot of stupid stuff86700:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,990like scissors, but it's ours.Right. And, and and I think that86800:55:15,990 --> 00:55:18,960translates through to the workthat developers do it. It's it86900:55:18,990 --> 00:55:23,550to me, I'm not a developer, youaren't either. But it's, it87000:55:23,550 --> 00:55:26,580gives everybody the chance to bereally creative and provide87100:55:26,580 --> 00:55:29,880input. Even if you're notactually coding or doing87200:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,060graphics or UX or UI. Everybodycan have a say in it. It's87300:55:33,060 --> 00:55:33,810really nice.87400:55:34,740 --> 00:55:38,040Correct, correct. And what youguys are doing, it's incredible87500:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,380it is it is a step forward inthe journey. That's why I want87600:55:40,380 --> 00:55:44,550to be in touch be taught by youguys and support the system as87700:55:44,550 --> 00:55:47,370well. But you know, you'recrossing the boundaries as well.87800:55:47,850 --> 00:55:50,130People are always trying todefine podcasting. What is it?87900:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,400Oh, it has to be recorded. Andwell, no, you guys have found a88000:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,490way to make it also life and itbecomes an experience and part88100:55:56,490 --> 00:55:59,640of people's rituals andceremonies. Oh,88200:56:00,030 --> 00:56:06,840nice. callback. Nice callback. Igot a lot of good comments. Pod88300:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,730sage on your, on your littlesoliloquy there on the last88400:56:11,730 --> 00:56:17,940episode about not rituals,ceremony, and tradition and88500:56:17,940 --> 00:56:20,730stuff like that. That hit homewith a lot of people.88600:56:21,330 --> 00:56:23,310At least somebody did. I gotzero feedback.88700:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,930I had to drag it out of it. Butthey admitted it finally,88800:56:28,140 --> 00:56:33,840direct all your feedback to methrough Adam, please. Yeah.88900:56:34,860 --> 00:56:43,470Cool. What? So you clearly havepodcasting 2.0 designs in mind.89000:56:43,530 --> 00:56:49,560And like, what, what do you see?For visie? Like, how, what are89100:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,530you? You're using the index,you're using the API, the89200:56:52,530 --> 00:56:56,250podcast API. But as far aspodcasting 2.0 features clearly89300:56:56,250 --> 00:57:00,240chapters makes a lot of sense.What else do you think makes89400:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,180sense for an app like visie?Going forward?89500:57:05,010 --> 00:57:10,500A good question. And I sat down.So the sound bites is really89600:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,370important, we have a very cleansnip feature inside the app. So89700:57:14,370 --> 00:57:18,630you can share five seconds, youcan share two minutes, just the89800:57:18,630 --> 00:57:20,910bit you're interested in. And itcomes across with the visual,89900:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,400which is quite nice. Again,that's a small thing. It's like90000:57:23,430 --> 00:57:26,850a little celebration at the endof a boost. But when you share90100:57:26,850 --> 00:57:29,760it with the visual people click,they enjoy it. So the sound90200:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,120bites, very interested, veryinterested in transcripts, and90300:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,310very interested in trying to useour back end to maybe even take90400:57:38,310 --> 00:57:41,010those transcripts and make theminto really good visuals, so90500:57:41,010 --> 00:57:44,940that we can have the sameexperiences playing a podcast,90600:57:44,940 --> 00:57:48,240if you're hard of hearing, it'shard to enjoy a podcast, you can90700:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,090read the transcript. But if youcan read digested into little90800:57:51,090 --> 00:57:53,820slides, then you can still havethe same experience. You pull90900:57:53,820 --> 00:57:57,840out your phone, you press play,and it'll start going. Almost91000:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,230like captures in real time.Right? So we're very interested91100:58:01,230 --> 00:58:01,830in using that.91200:58:01,860 --> 00:58:06,870Not just that a lot of peoplewho are not native English91300:58:06,870 --> 00:58:11,280speakers enjoy it immensely. Toread along with what they're91400:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,910hearing. And so making that adifferent visual experience91500:58:14,910 --> 00:58:15,540perfect.91600:58:16,650 --> 00:58:20,880Absolutely. And as naturallanguage processing gets better,91700:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,300you should be able to have realtime translation captions. So91800:58:24,300 --> 00:58:28,320then there's no borders in wherethe podcasts coming from, which91900:58:28,320 --> 00:58:28,410is92000:58:30,090 --> 00:58:34,320the dreams and dream. Yes. Andmy podcast Apple order my milk92100:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,790when I'm running out, I cannotwait. The Dream babies the92200:58:38,790 --> 00:58:39,270dream?92300:58:40,260 --> 00:58:42,930I'm not sure we're gonna manageto turn it into a super app, not92400:58:42,930 --> 00:58:46,260pre funding, depending on ourfirst round, if we can.92500:58:47,910 --> 00:58:50,580Obviously, the funding is reallyimportant. And I think the more92600:58:50,580 --> 00:58:54,600the merrier. We're not trying toreplace ads. I think the92700:58:55,350 --> 00:58:59,370podcasts you choose. If theywant ads, they can keep the ads92800:59:00,150 --> 00:59:02,730if they don't want to, and theycan do it through commerce and92900:59:02,730 --> 00:59:04,920through links. That's great forthem. But the funding and the93000:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,820booster grams are important. Andthe last thing we're really93100:59:08,820 --> 00:59:11,070interested in obviously we'reinterested in all of them is the93200:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,940alternate enclosures. Becauseyou know you could have video93300:59:14,940 --> 00:59:18,330you can have a visie it justgives a lot more creative,93400:59:18,330 --> 00:59:21,210creative flex, to have thatavailable to93500:59:21,509 --> 00:59:27,029create a flex, creative flex,creator flex, is that what you93600:59:27,029 --> 00:59:28,439said creator flex,93700:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,530creative, flex, flex, okay,93800:59:31,529 --> 00:59:34,529I'm always looking for a goodtitle, creative flex,93900:59:35,129 --> 00:59:38,459creative flex, because it's hardright? If you're publishing a94000:59:38,459 --> 00:59:42,059podcast now, according to yourguys's stats think this 4.894100:59:42,059 --> 00:59:45,299million at the moment is hard todifferentiate. So giving you94200:59:45,299 --> 00:59:48,389more tools, hopefully we'll havethat help that along.94300:59:49,740 --> 00:59:51,210With were you What do you think?Go ahead.94400:59:51,540 --> 00:59:53,940Are you going to? Or do youthink you're going to do a web94500:59:53,940 --> 00:59:58,380app at any point? Are you prettycommitted to native apps on the94600:59:58,380 --> 00:59:59,970different on the two differentplatforms?94701:00:02,490 --> 01:00:06,060Fantastic question we do, wedefinitely want to do a web94801:00:06,060 --> 01:00:09,990player app that has the sameexperience. So currently, we94901:00:09,990 --> 01:00:12,960have a web player, you don'tneed the app to listen to it,95001:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,570you can just press play. But wewant to bring in that experience95101:00:15,570 --> 01:00:18,330where you can scroll through thecarousel independently of the95201:00:18,330 --> 01:00:22,740audio, and also interact withthe buttons. We haven't thought95301:00:22,740 --> 01:00:27,510about a full player on a webapp, certainly put it on the95401:00:27,510 --> 01:00:30,690roadmap, there will probably bea product question getting a95501:00:30,690 --> 01:00:34,440little bit of feedback andthinking, are people going to95601:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,220use it? Do they have arequirement for it? In saying95701:00:38,220 --> 01:00:41,760that there is some research? Ithink that came out of pod news,95801:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,770that desktop listening isincreasing? So the increasing95901:00:46,770 --> 01:00:48,900use case for that increasing?Yes,96001:00:48,930 --> 01:00:52,260really? Yeah, that's an issuebecause we, we talk a lot about96101:00:52,260 --> 01:00:57,960that share of the, the statsaround female podcast listeners,96201:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,320they listened tend to listen alot on the web. But that's, it's96301:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,140interesting that that would thatthe web percentage would be in96401:01:04,170 --> 01:01:09,360would be increasing. I don'tknow if he knows funny. I think96501:01:09,390 --> 01:01:13,380that is I'm pulling thiscompletely out of my butt. I96601:01:13,380 --> 01:01:18,000have no idea if this is true ornot. But it's just I feel like96701:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,750the web is having a little bitof a resurgence. I mean, I96801:01:21,750 --> 01:01:26,790agree. You know, it's not, Nate.And I would say native apps are96901:01:26,790 --> 01:01:30,450still, they're still superimportant. They're still they97001:01:30,450 --> 01:01:36,420still feel better on a mobileplatform. But I find myself more97101:01:36,420 --> 01:01:40,260and more dissatisfied with beingin front of a tiny screen. If I97201:01:40,260 --> 01:01:44,160want to get any real work done,I really just longed to be in97301:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,140front of a decent sized screenwith a full fledged computer.97401:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,120And once you're there, I mean,you really want to be able to97501:01:54,120 --> 01:02:01,170listen, or interact. I mean,because perfect example. I've97601:02:01,170 --> 01:02:05,640been trying to get some stufflearned on the guitar, but97701:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,390trying to learn a couple ofsongs, and going through some97801:02:09,390 --> 01:02:13,830lessons on a couple of thingswith pick technique. And it just97901:02:13,860 --> 01:02:17,670the other night, it just droveme nuts, I had to just put down98001:02:17,670 --> 01:02:20,640the phone because I'm sittingthere on the couch, with with98101:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,640the guitar and and with thephone trying to prop it up98201:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,890against everything. And I waslike, Screw this, and I just98301:02:25,890 --> 01:02:28,530walked over to the computer, acomputer sat down in front of it98401:02:28,530 --> 01:02:33,150at the desk. And now I have ahuge nice screen, good speakers.98501:02:33,540 --> 01:02:38,220I can watch the guy join thispig technique. I'm comfortable.98601:02:38,370 --> 01:02:42,240It was like, Ah, just thisbreath of fresh air getting away98701:02:42,240 --> 01:02:47,250from the stupid mobile screen.And like I think sometimes, and98801:02:47,250 --> 01:02:51,360especially the like, people arefond of saying that, you know,98901:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,610oh, when people listen topodcasts, nobody looks at their99001:02:53,610 --> 01:02:57,360phone while they're listening toa podcast. Well, I mean, I find99101:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,210myself looking at the phone moreand more now that there's a99201:03:00,210 --> 01:03:03,480reason to with podcasting 2.0chapters and all these kinds of99301:03:03,480 --> 01:03:09,480things. And I find that you'vecombined combine all that into a99401:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,330really good web experience forpodcasting. I think it can go99501:03:15,330 --> 01:03:17,850really far and do a lot. I mean,we've already seen it with99601:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,700curio, gastropod Vers, podfriend. These are, these are99701:03:23,700 --> 01:03:28,140apps that have a really highquality web experience. And I99801:03:28,140 --> 01:03:32,040think I think that's bringingpeople back to to see how good99901:03:32,040 --> 01:03:32,880web can be.100001:03:32,970 --> 01:03:37,770You know, I've been using webapps almost exclusively for100101:03:37,770 --> 01:03:43,770years now. I mean, I use I useapps, but I love the web. I my100201:03:43,770 --> 01:03:49,080email was rain loop, which ispart of next cloud. That's a web100301:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,110app. And you know, I love webapps that also desktop apps100401:03:52,110 --> 01:03:55,590like, curio caster, it's kindof, I don't know, it works for100501:03:55,590 --> 01:03:58,440me, because the mobileexperience is good. And the100601:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,930desktop experience is literallyexpanded.100701:04:01,890 --> 01:04:05,370I saw an app, another app thisweek, somebody showed me an app100801:04:05,370 --> 01:04:12,420in private. And it was a webfirst app. And clear, like100901:04:12,420 --> 01:04:17,100designed from the ground up webfirst. And that takes that takes101001:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,460some balls. I mean, like to doto do that in this day and age101101:04:20,490 --> 01:04:24,690is to say, Okay, we're gonna goweb first and then native app,101201:04:24,690 --> 01:04:28,290is Latinos an afterthoughtbecause you're it's a risk. It's101301:04:28,290 --> 01:04:30,360a monad. It's a it's a financialrisk, you know,101401:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,710that's a big move.101501:04:32,100 --> 01:04:37,110Yeah, it is. But but you know, Iguess, I guess if, if the shares101601:04:37,110 --> 01:04:41,760are increasing, and if there issort of a swing pendulum swing101701:04:41,760 --> 01:04:48,600back the other way, I guess weknow Hey, might work. Yep, but I101801:04:49,830 --> 01:04:50,820think it's worth doing them.101901:04:52,380 --> 01:04:56,490I think you're right, and I canspeak for myself if I have. It's102001:04:56,490 --> 01:04:59,430funny. We have a lot of screensaround us. Somehow the102101:04:59,430 --> 01:05:02,520experience of On desktop or alaptop, just a full functioning102201:05:03,060 --> 01:05:06,570PC is a lot better. And I'mdrawn to it, you know, I've got102301:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,920my PC on my desk, and I've gotmy phone in my hand, more often102401:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,700than not, I've got a slack toreply to, I'll use my desktop,102501:05:15,510 --> 01:05:16,620as an example, right? Because102601:05:16,620 --> 01:05:20,160you can use either one, that appthat I was talking about that I102701:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,740was shown, what was so greatabout it is it was it had all of102801:05:25,740 --> 01:05:32,280this content that the user theythe screen was just packed full102901:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,150of good content. You weren't,like when you're on the phone,103001:05:36,150 --> 01:05:39,780I'm sure he would visit you. Imean, you know, this intimately,103101:05:39,930 --> 01:05:44,520is like, you have to agonizeover putting one more thing on103201:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,190the screen, because it's goingto screw everything up. You103301:05:47,190 --> 01:05:49,830know, it's like you just gotsuch little tiny little space.103401:05:49,830 --> 01:05:52,710But you know, when you have allthat real estate for a web app,103501:05:52,710 --> 01:05:55,650it's like, ah, you know, it'sjust pretty nice. Spread out.103601:05:55,650 --> 01:05:57,990Yeah. And just, you don't haveto, you don't have to worry103701:05:57,990 --> 01:06:00,210about ran out of room is good.103801:06:00,870 --> 01:06:04,230And you're all NDA up on this.You can't tell us more about it.103901:06:04,500 --> 01:06:07,650I'm thoroughly like Todd man,put me on the top.104001:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,440Oh, it's my new thing. What doyou think is what I do?104101:06:11,010 --> 01:06:17,400Todd? Yeah. Cool. So youdefinitely plan on, on what104201:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,270you're investigating value forvalue, streaming payments, and104301:06:21,270 --> 01:06:22,620booths, etc. Now, right?104401:06:23,160 --> 01:06:29,130Yes, yes. Cool. Very cool. Yeah,as well as all the others would104501:06:29,130 --> 01:06:35,310love to have all of that in ourauthoring tool. And just to keep104601:06:35,310 --> 01:06:38,370it the more places becausebecause there's some feedback104701:06:38,370 --> 01:06:44,010from the podcast producers aswell. And it's, what's the egg104801:06:44,010 --> 01:06:48,330situation where they love andlove what it does and respect104901:06:48,330 --> 01:06:50,910that their listeners will reallyenjoy it. But there's always a105001:06:50,910 --> 01:06:54,180little bit of, you know, howmany places can people enjoy105101:06:54,180 --> 01:07:00,030this in, and it will be good toslowly start opening that up. As105201:07:00,030 --> 01:07:02,790as the standard and thenamespace comes together, I105301:07:02,790 --> 01:07:06,990think we can really have itacross enough listener density,105401:07:07,260 --> 01:07:09,660that it becomes more and moreattractive becomes a bit of a105501:07:09,660 --> 01:07:13,140snowball effect with peoplerolling towards us, rather than,105601:07:13,410 --> 01:07:17,100you know, a walled garden whereyou get 1.5 cents for an ad,105701:07:17,310 --> 01:07:23,160right? Yeah, I'm, I'm coming itkind of enamored by this, I just105801:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,990kind of clicked in my head, theidea that any app can onboard a105901:07:27,990 --> 01:07:34,560podcaster. And then that worksin all the other value enabled106001:07:34,560 --> 01:07:35,160apps.106101:07:36,120 --> 01:07:36,720Exactly.106201:07:36,780 --> 01:07:39,660It's really it's really kind of,it's really, I mean, that's,106301:07:39,690 --> 01:07:43,110that's what fountain does, thatsystem works. I wish more would106401:07:43,110 --> 01:07:47,190do that. I understand that justbuilding a, an onboarding path106501:07:47,190 --> 01:07:51,090and within your app is notsomething you just do. But wow,106601:07:51,090 --> 01:07:54,270does it does it really make it?I mean, that's a whole new when106701:07:54,270 --> 01:07:59,100you, here's what happens. So Ihelped onboard a very big Dutch106801:07:59,100 --> 01:08:03,060podcaster. And so they're justgetting their feet wet with all106901:08:03,060 --> 01:08:07,500this stuff. And they really hada company doing this for them.107001:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,700And now they're doing it allthemselves. And so they, you107101:08:11,700 --> 01:08:14,280know, they chose out of theirown volition Oh, that we'd like107201:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,530pod verse, we'd like fountain.And so they saw the booster107301:08:19,530 --> 01:08:22,170grams and fountain said, Okay,how do we do that? Well, you107401:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,080onboard that way. And so nowit's kind of like a closed107501:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,650ecosystem, even though it'llwork on any other app. That you107601:08:28,650 --> 01:08:32,670know, the benefit to fountain isbecause they're using fountain107701:08:32,670 --> 01:08:35,340to listen and to create, they'regoing to tell the listeners to107801:08:35,340 --> 01:08:39,810use fountain. So I think thesetypes of things are important107901:08:39,810 --> 01:08:43,800for all developers to thinkabout. Because it's, it's a108001:08:44,310 --> 01:08:45,540creative flex.108101:08:47,430 --> 01:08:51,270Yeah, yeah. Cuz that's what Isee happening as a sort of side108201:08:51,270 --> 01:08:55,080effect of all this is that it'ssort of blurring the lines108301:08:55,080 --> 01:09:01,170between host and listen, andbecause especially to take108401:09:01,170 --> 01:09:07,860Vaizey for instance. If you havethat tool, the tool, you know,108501:09:07,860 --> 01:09:13,860the tools can live outside ofthe traditional client server108601:09:13,860 --> 01:09:19,560split or host listen split. Soyou can have your I think, I108701:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,800think you're right, I thinkapricots are sort of created or108801:09:22,830 --> 01:09:27,240launched this idea that you canhave, you can have the hosting108901:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,720company, hosting your podcast,and then you can have the app109001:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,990reading the podcast. But thenyou have this other thing over109101:09:33,990 --> 01:09:37,680here. This sort of like it'sneither one and then Stephen B109201:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,080is taking this and goinglogician you know, just run just109301:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,180flat off the cliff with it andsaid, you know, we're going to109401:09:42,180 --> 01:09:47,580do everything where it's thisthird option, and that tells you109501:09:47,580 --> 01:09:53,430that any app can cannot just, Iget okay here. I'm losing109601:09:53,430 --> 01:09:57,930myself. But what I'm trying tosay is that, I think an app like109701:09:57,930 --> 01:10:03,630visie and and And what othersare doing shows that the app109801:10:03,660 --> 01:10:07,260doesn't just have to be aconsumption device. It cannot it109901:10:07,260 --> 01:10:10,170it's, it can be a two waystreet. Does that make sense?110001:10:10,200 --> 01:10:10,440No.110101:10:11,670 --> 01:10:14,460It makes sense. It makes sense.It can be a two way street. And110201:10:14,460 --> 01:10:20,010also the, in this situation, thetools that you use in order to110301:10:20,010 --> 01:10:23,220get an output in an app candefinitely be cross platform.110401:10:23,430 --> 01:10:28,080How do you curate in one spot,and output to many spots, and110501:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,360then people can choose right,some people absolutely love110601:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,030their overcast. Some people,surprisingly, love Apple110701:10:33,030 --> 01:10:36,570podcasts for some reason, youknow, some people will use, let110801:10:36,570 --> 01:10:39,720them use the app that they want.And let us try and get that110901:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,750experience across as many ofthem as we can. And including,111001:10:42,750 --> 01:10:46,170you know, web, and desktop, asyou mentioned, I think that will111101:10:46,170 --> 01:10:49,650be really important. And it'lltake it'll take collaboration.111201:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,390So I think this is a good placeas a central point for everyone111301:10:54,390 --> 01:10:56,880that wants to build on thissystem. And obviously, like,111401:10:56,880 --> 01:11:02,280reach out at me on LinkedIn. Youknow, let's talk about it. You111501:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,520know, strategically, we can worktogether to try and make it111601:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,270work. Otherwise, it might justfractionalize Even more,111701:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,280which is Steven, is people likedog catch.111801:11:17,940 --> 01:11:19,710There it is, in a nutshell,everybody.111901:11:21,810 --> 01:11:26,520Do you think you'd ever tried todo some partnerships, like with112001:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,450hosting companies like blueberryor pet sprout or rss.com, or112101:11:30,450 --> 01:11:30,990something like that?112201:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,620I would love to explore it, I'dlove to explore because I think112301:11:34,620 --> 01:11:37,590the strength with that is, youknow, if we can build a really112401:11:37,590 --> 01:11:40,350compelling tool that's reallyeasy to use people like when112501:11:40,350 --> 01:11:43,260things look good, they're clean,they're easy to use, but then112601:11:43,260 --> 01:11:47,130provide it to them at scale,where they already are without112701:11:47,130 --> 01:11:50,970having to change their, youknow, ceremony or ritual or how112801:11:50,970 --> 01:11:54,900they produce their show. I thinkthat will actually expand things112901:11:54,900 --> 01:11:56,970quicker, rather than obtainingthem one by one.113001:11:58,440 --> 01:11:59,310That makes sense. Yeah.113101:12:01,710 --> 01:12:04,470Shall we? I'm sorry, go ahead.113201:12:06,000 --> 01:12:06,990Up nope, that's it for me.113301:12:07,110 --> 01:12:10,140Oh, I was just gonna suggestmaybe we thank a few people who113401:12:10,410 --> 01:12:14,910supported the project. Withtheir time, talent and treasure,113501:12:14,910 --> 01:12:17,430this will be the treasureportion. And for those of you113601:12:17,430 --> 01:12:21,870who are new value for value,look at value for value.io.113701:12:21,870 --> 01:12:25,800Value number four value.io is abrief explanation. It's a113801:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,350precursor to the big manifesto,I'm still working on with113901:12:28,350 --> 01:12:34,860Professor Ted. It isforthcoming. And actually, Tina114001:12:34,860 --> 01:12:37,740is going away with her daughterfor a couple of days next week,114101:12:37,770 --> 01:12:40,710I hope to be able to wrap it up.It's gonna be like, there's no114201:12:40,740 --> 01:12:43,920this there's no distractions,everything will be everything114301:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,150will be perfect for you114401:12:45,150 --> 01:12:47,460that close Are you that close toI mean, like you could wrap it114501:12:47,460 --> 01:12:48,630up within a couple of days?114601:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,440Well, I'd like to wrap it up.And then I want to send it past114701:12:52,470 --> 01:12:56,430Gigi, he's offered to take alook. Oh, good, I want to send114801:12:56,430 --> 01:12:59,610it past you. And then when Tinacomes back, I want to throw it114901:12:59,610 --> 01:13:02,070to the Tina wash because that'syou know, that's kind of like115001:13:02,070 --> 01:13:05,910the ultimate triple wash that'sorganic, it was the enter with115101:13:05,910 --> 01:13:09,900the green goo Yeah, you get thegreen goo wash and the blow dry.115201:13:11,700 --> 01:13:14,700And, and that and then I thinkit should it should be good to115301:13:14,700 --> 01:13:19,080go. But anyway, value for valuemeans whatever you're getting115401:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,130out of this project and I thinkeven as a just to a listener,115501:13:23,310 --> 01:13:26,010you're probably seeing all ofthis stuff all this value that's115601:13:26,010 --> 01:13:30,300being created. And one way toreturn that to the project into115701:13:30,300 --> 01:13:34,980the show which is really justthe facade for the project is by115801:13:34,980 --> 01:13:37,800going to podcast index.org downat the bottom you have a couple115901:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,650ways to donate your Fiat fundcoupons are welcomed through116001:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,170PayPal. You can send on chainBitcoin, if you have a couple116101:13:46,170 --> 01:13:50,700laying around we put all that onour node we provide liquidity116201:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,480with that which has been goingquite well actually. The fees116301:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,210are the perfect spot now we'reno one's complaining about them116401:13:57,210 --> 01:14:00,420and we're also not beingdrained. Our channels aren't116501:14:00,420 --> 01:14:03,780being drained it's and I haven'thad to write unless you're116601:14:03,780 --> 01:14:06,390rebalancing I haven't had torebalance anything in the past116701:14:06,450 --> 01:14:11,220at least four weeks. Are youkidding? We have these moments116801:14:11,220 --> 01:14:13,980like okay man, I gotta I gottarestart the node which means116901:14:13,980 --> 01:14:17,160it's gonna go into compact notewe both sit there with sweaty117001:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,450butt cracks for 20 minutes Yes,like Oh, and with Graham on117101:14:21,450 --> 01:14:24,210signal like Dude, can you justmake it you sure is it coming117201:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,550back up? Will it will it comeback to life?117301:14:27,660 --> 01:14:33,150I have bugged him so much I feelbad about it. Now like there's I117401:14:33,150 --> 01:14:35,610mean if you've done all that andSir Spencer hasn't popped up117501:14:35,610 --> 01:14:37,110yet. You've done a good job.117601:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,640He still has a channel with us.I think so that's that means117701:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,870good. We still have love and ofcourse we'd love the boost and117801:14:45,870 --> 01:14:48,210the booster grands let me justhit a couple of the live ones we117901:14:48,210 --> 01:14:53,010got a while we were lit and onlythe booster Graham so we had118001:14:53,010 --> 01:14:56,520Steven B with his Rolodex forwhat tech stack is busy using we118101:14:56,520 --> 01:15:01,920handle that and we see we have abooster RAM from C Dubs. Thank118201:15:01,920 --> 01:15:12,900you for 2222 and a 333. Hard Hatrow a duck's Mike Newman 55,555.118301:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,950And oh,118401:15:13,980 --> 01:15:15,900he says, Yeah, you know what weshould118501:15:21,420 --> 01:15:25,320and I can't drive 55 booths fory'all from New Mexico where this118601:15:25,320 --> 01:15:31,230Texican with this Texan Texicanwith this Texas where this Texan118701:15:31,230 --> 01:15:34,920literally can't go podcasting118801:15:38,190 --> 01:15:39,480get lost in the translation118901:15:39,480 --> 01:15:44,580somehow he's driving 20,000 SATsfrom Brando sellers. Who says119001:15:44,580 --> 01:15:47,460doubling my boost from last weekto make up for the error119101:15:48,389 --> 01:15:50,219though from the sleek podcast119201:15:50,580 --> 01:15:59,340no right there you go 44,444SATs from petyarre No a big119301:15:59,340 --> 01:15:59,820boosters119401:15:59,820 --> 01:16:00,960here. Yes, he119501:16:00,960 --> 01:16:08,430says a pre booster ejaculationboost actually boost that's more119601:16:08,430 --> 01:16:17,280like N four v x. Ro 611 11 liveon curio Castro 2101 e s t119701:16:17,280 --> 01:16:22,050That's right. Oh nice. Yeah,there's a cool hardhat was also119801:16:22,050 --> 01:16:26,820pre boasting another row ofducks. Same from now this this119901:16:26,820 --> 01:16:32,580is interesting. I put thepending tag in two hours before120001:16:32,580 --> 01:16:36,150showtime and people wereboosting on it. Oh, boosting all120101:16:36,150 --> 01:16:38,730the pending tag boosting on thepending time which is legal in120201:16:38,730 --> 01:16:39,690all 50 states120301:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,960through through pod verse orthrough Korea cast or both.120401:16:43,470 --> 01:16:49,980Let's see This is curio casterwith elite boost 1337 and four v120501:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,800VX pre boosting the Saturdaynight podcast party. Well, it's120601:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,210Friday night. Another one fromen for VX. Forget the third120701:16:57,210 --> 01:17:00,570rail. That's mo facts. I'msorry.120801:17:02,550 --> 01:17:03,720You're crossing the street. I120901:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,480think I am crossing the streamshere. I don't know. Here we go.121001:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,010Kyron pre boosting for themystery guest is it the ghost of121101:17:11,010 --> 01:17:14,550Sidney Gottlieb to help Davewith his MK Ultra experiments.121201:17:16,590 --> 01:17:22,080And that was boosted four hoursago by chyron on the live item,121301:17:22,110 --> 01:17:25,980because I got it here in thehelipad row stakes. And that121401:17:25,980 --> 01:17:30,030will Yeah, so that wasdefinitely on the on the pre on121501:17:30,030 --> 01:17:31,860the pending pending lit.121601:17:32,519 --> 01:17:36,389And where are you? Where are youin in Australia with? I'm in121701:17:36,389 --> 01:17:39,839Sydney? Sydney. Okay, all right.In Brisbane,121801:17:40,530 --> 01:17:43,920and then just in under the wirebefore we go back over the121901:17:43,920 --> 01:17:51,870booster grams from the weak DredScott. Who is the Bruce Wayne of122001:17:51,870 --> 01:17:56,340podcasting? 2.0 Ladies andgentlemen 50,000 SATs right122101:17:56,340 --> 01:18:00,840there Oosting it live orlistening on pod verse on i Oh s122201:18:00,840 --> 01:18:07,620go podcasting. And he has littlehe might from iOS. Yeah. And he122301:18:07,620 --> 01:18:11,490has a little mic emoji and downarrow. So Mic drop.122401:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,520You know what I'm gonna I'mgonna give you a little bit of122501:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,240this. Can you hear this?122601:18:16,830 --> 01:18:21,270Is that a dog toy? This is thescissor six. Not a doggy toy for122701:18:21,270 --> 01:18:26,160sure. That's Wow. They are. Nothey're your scissors are huge.122801:18:26,310 --> 01:18:34,290Yes. What I've been told. We gota we got to pay pal from Anthony122901:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,330Thomas zoo ski for $20 and it isfrom the static podcast Adam and123001:18:39,330 --> 01:18:41,760Dave, thanks for all you do.Dave Thanks for the help the123101:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,050other day go podcasting.123201:18:43,110 --> 01:18:46,950Go podcasting. Thank you verymuch. We appreciate that podcast123301:18:49,050 --> 01:18:51,900we get another one from AndrewKelly right under the wire at123401:18:51,900 --> 01:18:55,140$10 through PayPal and he saysgo podcasting123501:19:01,590 --> 01:19:05,070that's it that's it for thethat's it for the single weekly123601:19:05,550 --> 01:19:12,630I was chatting with with Roy andwe are going Roy from breeze we123701:19:12,630 --> 01:19:16,020are going through atransformation here which I've123801:19:16,020 --> 01:19:19,170been playing paying very closeattention to we've been123901:19:19,170 --> 01:19:23,790migrating away from Fiat funcoupons through PayPal into124001:19:23,790 --> 01:19:29,310booster grams without Now ofcourse there's some bitcoin124101:19:29,310 --> 01:19:35,550pricing but without reallydipping too much in in the124201:19:35,550 --> 01:19:40,860overall income to fund the fundthe system. It's it's this is124301:19:40,860 --> 01:19:42,900very important what we're doinghere.124401:19:43,710 --> 01:19:45,030It's a smooth transition.124501:19:45,690 --> 01:19:49,620It appears to be Yeah, it reallydoes. And I'm incredibly124601:19:49,620 --> 01:19:52,470impressed. Now of course we'reasking people to pay attention124701:19:52,470 --> 01:19:57,690to what they're boosting. And Ithink the the live factor is is124801:19:57,690 --> 01:20:01,800definitely helping that I meanno i No, it is it's it's helping124901:20:02,490 --> 01:20:05,940keep everything where we need itto be at without, you know, and125001:20:05,940 --> 01:20:09,720just without losing any steambecause we're losing the PayPal.125101:20:10,350 --> 01:20:14,370And we we did lose the so we andwe did lose a pipe we lost a $50125201:20:14,370 --> 01:20:17,550a month donor subscriptionthrough Pay Pal. So then this125301:20:17,550 --> 01:20:22,920month and that's, that's why webuild the war chest like we are125401:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,950always talking about buildingup, you know a good savings125501:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,280because, you know, we want theeconomies go up and down this125601:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,340$50 month I mean, they may be Idon't know maybe he lost his job125701:20:32,340 --> 01:20:34,980maybe something like that that'salways gonna be the case. And so125801:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,700we you know, we want to be selfsufficient. And that's that's125901:20:38,700 --> 01:20:38,940what we126001:20:38,940 --> 01:20:41,310do. And also look at theindustry everywhere people are126101:20:41,310 --> 01:20:45,930cutting back five, eight 10%stopping hiring budgets are126201:20:45,930 --> 01:20:50,310being slashed. We had no budgetto start with. It's hard to say126301:20:50,520 --> 01:20:55,440are we all we have is the Isthis the Bitcoin on the node and126401:20:55,440 --> 01:20:58,320our little war chests that wejust keep very carefully126501:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,500watching so that, you know wecan always pay the bills?126601:21:02,130 --> 01:21:06,090That's right. And Karen, for themere mortals podcast helps us126701:21:06,090 --> 01:21:10,410pay the bills that 3790 SATsthrough curio caster. He says,126801:21:10,590 --> 01:21:14,250You've both inspired me to do awhole episode on music 2.0126901:21:14,880 --> 01:21:21,540Nice little music a boost.127001:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,830And Dave, you're reading withbackup music from Adam was127101:21:25,830 --> 01:21:27,420wonderful, poetic even127201:21:27,450 --> 01:21:33,840dude, I need to say somethingabout that. So you were reading.127301:21:34,710 --> 01:21:37,230I'm thinking I gotta dosomething with this. I go127401:21:37,260 --> 01:21:39,870quickly, I go find some GreenSleeves, because that's what127501:21:39,870 --> 01:21:44,580that what that track is is twominutes or like a minute 25 I127601:21:44,580 --> 01:21:49,200started I fade it in under youand you end it and you actually127701:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,500drag out the ending of your readall the way to the end of the127801:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,950music. One of the mostprofessional things I've ever127901:21:55,980 --> 01:22:01,650seen someone do on a podcast.That's right, seriously, and128001:22:01,650 --> 01:22:06,300it's also because you're amusician. It was it was good,128101:22:06,300 --> 01:22:07,740man. That was impressive.128201:22:08,340 --> 01:22:11,550All those years of collegeradio, hospital radio.128301:22:12,420 --> 01:22:13,230That'll do it.128401:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,410Hashtag never skip the V for Vsection.128501:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,840Agreed? Hell yeah.128601:22:19,440 --> 01:22:24,930Don't skip. Don't be a hater.Thank you don't just post Chris128701:22:24,930 --> 01:22:31,440Fisher, our buddy from Jupiterbroadcasting 6666 sets through128801:22:31,440 --> 01:22:35,010fountain he says pod father andsage my apologies about the128901:22:35,010 --> 01:22:36,540overexcited Linux crowd.129001:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,730Loose Bucha know we love theoverexcited Linux crowd.129101:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,380You know how technical users arethey always want to provide a129201:22:46,380 --> 01:22:50,160solution to a problem and beingthe Linux user who converted the129301:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,340pod father to Linux would be afeather in their cap. The Linux129401:22:53,340 --> 01:22:57,030fans just get excited on behalfof all of them. I apologize when129501:22:57,030 --> 01:23:00,630I was a young lad I would do Itoo was much like them these129601:23:00,630 --> 01:23:03,780days I say record however youwant to record just do your129701:23:03,780 --> 01:23:04,860thing and pod on129801:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,950well I'm I'm very excited aboutthe about the road caster. Yes,129901:23:10,950 --> 01:23:14,340I'm getting my hopes up. I'mgetting old JD about it. Because130001:23:14,340 --> 01:23:18,630that thing although you can'trun the software it that should130101:23:18,630 --> 01:23:23,520just integrate with with Linuxfine. With existing shit.130201:23:24,210 --> 01:23:29,040I keep man I hope that thingworks good. I can't. I'm afraid130301:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,950of the fear that it's just gonnalike there's gonna be a fatal130401:23:31,950 --> 01:23:32,460flaw130501:23:32,490 --> 01:23:37,320but you'll be there to catch me.I was when when I collapsed in a130601:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,620heap of disappointment. You'llbe you'll be there for me baby.130701:23:40,889 --> 01:23:42,059I'd be there to catch you withthese130801:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,650monk Monty kaka gave us 500 setsand he's the fountain and he130901:23:52,650 --> 01:23:57,210says I love Ron Paul too. Yay. Idon't know what this131001:23:57,599 --> 01:23:59,039is okay, but we'll take it131101:23:59,220 --> 01:24:05,760Yeah, okay. I always rememberwhen you asked Ron Paul in your131201:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,540when you interviewed him feels astructure or a folder or a131301:24:09,540 --> 01:24:11,700folder and he was like he gotall offended. He131401:24:11,700 --> 01:24:14,040was like what you're talking Idon't see what that has to do131501:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,560with the conversation. It was atthe very end of like, one more131601:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,700question. Senator or SenatorPaul. Are you fold or scrunch131701:24:20,700 --> 01:24:23,580here? He's like I don't see howthat is relevant to this.131801:24:24,060 --> 01:24:26,940i He was not a131901:24:26,940 --> 01:24:29,520Don I was egged on to do it.Everyone's like, Come on, man.132001:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,030You got to ask him. You got anhe had no humor about that. He132101:24:33,030 --> 01:24:34,260had zero humor.132201:24:34,500 --> 01:24:37,170If nobody knows what they missabout toothpaste tubes.132301:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,910Toilet paper. Oh, toilet132401:24:41,910 --> 01:24:48,060paper. Okay. Toilet paper. Iforgot. Boris because they'll132501:24:48,060 --> 01:24:51,930ski. Give us 200 SATs. And hesays thanks for saving the132601:24:51,930 --> 01:24:52,710podcasting.132701:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,640And we do that in our sparetime.132801:24:56,940 --> 01:25:00,660Yeah, on a Tuesday. Yeah.Blueberry. I'll So known as132901:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,910boost, burry gave us 3333 sets.All right, he says, Thank you,133001:25:05,910 --> 01:25:09,630Dave and Steven B for helpingfor the help getting in our in a133101:25:09,630 --> 01:25:12,960tube channel working in theindex. Anyone want to use133201:25:12,960 --> 01:25:13,560behind?133301:25:14,490 --> 01:25:16,530Behind the schemes? Oh, I133401:25:16,530 --> 01:25:19,440see. I see what he means. Anyonewants to use behind the scheme's133501:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,800as guinea pigs with scissors forlive video in app we're game?133601:25:23,340 --> 01:25:27,360Yeah, yeah, definitely. Let'sget that going. I got my camera133701:25:27,390 --> 01:25:28,380everything. I'm ready.133801:25:29,100 --> 01:25:31,110You didn't fire up the camerathis time? Did133901:25:31,110 --> 01:25:37,470you know I was afraid of fear?Well, because here's what has to134001:25:37,470 --> 01:25:46,830happen. Video has to be workingin in pod verse. Because you134101:25:46,830 --> 01:25:49,830because I want it you put thevideo stream you put that into134201:25:49,830 --> 01:25:55,620the enclosure on the live itemtag. That's the next step. I134301:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,190don't know. I don't even know ifcurio caster can do that yet.134401:26:01,380 --> 01:26:03,570I don't know. I don't know.We'll see. But134501:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,900once we have that, then youknow, then we just fired up and134601:26:06,900 --> 01:26:10,320then people will see some videoand I don't know what it'll be.134701:26:10,470 --> 01:26:15,480But you'll see something moving.And then you'll hear the audio134801:26:15,480 --> 01:26:19,500now I'll still I'll still throwit out to the to the stream. And134901:26:19,500 --> 01:26:22,830we still use the same chat room.But that That for me is the next135001:26:22,830 --> 01:26:24,900step. That's the next thing Iwant to do.135101:26:25,500 --> 01:26:31,560Nick does divisi support videoat all? Currently, we do not any135201:26:31,560 --> 01:26:32,040plans?135301:26:33,420 --> 01:26:37,440Definitely. Definitely. I thinkI think video for those that135401:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,500choose to do video production orthey just use the camera on135501:26:40,500 --> 01:26:43,140their laptops. I think it's Ithink it's good. Some people are135601:26:43,140 --> 01:26:48,510really enjoying it. And you cansee of the podcasts that are135701:26:48,510 --> 01:26:51,810using video with a poor bit moreproduction. They're getting135801:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,490they're getting quite a lot offraction there's because they're135901:26:53,490 --> 01:26:57,960showing visuals on the screens,charts, pictures, places. And136001:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,670he's good. He's getting actuallypretty good traction.136101:26:59,820 --> 01:27:03,870Hey, you should also take a lookat the maps guys. Was it maps.fm136201:27:04,530 --> 01:27:05,160day? Oh, yeah,136301:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,820yeah, yeah, that's right. So inCridland Crillon is involved in136401:27:08,820 --> 01:27:11,730that somehow right. And he likeadvisor advisor or something?136501:27:12,030 --> 01:27:13,230I believe so.136601:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,060That means there'll be soldsoon.136701:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,750For his exit strategy. Yeah,136801:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,320sure. No, if I had to sellsomething I get critical136901:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,280involved. Heck, yeah. Anyway,that's something that's137001:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,980something to think about Nick,is that you could do cool ass137101:27:28,980 --> 01:27:32,130maps. Shit. That's the acronymis.137201:27:32,610 --> 01:27:34,710Cas sit in your pitch deck.137301:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,760It's called we have the CASwhich is this new feature we've137401:27:38,760 --> 01:27:43,740just introduced it's an acronymfor cool at CAS cams. There you137501:27:43,740 --> 01:27:50,250go. Thank you. Cool last match.cams. Also another possible137601:27:50,250 --> 01:27:51,540title cams.137701:27:52,860 --> 01:27:55,230What what VC wouldn't go forthat? Yeah.137801:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,050Cool. Last map should baby comeon. That's what we're talking137901:27:58,050 --> 01:27:58,530about.138001:27:59,009 --> 01:28:06,269Perfect time for it. It's notit's not it's not as it's not a138101:28:06,269 --> 01:28:10,289suggestion far from our pitchdeck. I mean, like, you can do138201:28:10,289 --> 01:28:15,299cool. You can do some cool asshit like, walking tour. Once138301:28:15,299 --> 01:28:18,929you once you've got that visualon the screen. Yeah, the world138401:28:18,929 --> 01:28:19,919really opens up with138501:28:19,980 --> 01:28:23,640Yeah, I used to do this thingcalled the sound seeing tours.138601:28:24,150 --> 01:28:29,670And I'd set up, I had a greatstereo mic. And I'd walk I138701:28:29,670 --> 01:28:33,420walked Union Square One time atmidnight in San Francisco talk138801:28:33,420 --> 01:28:36,540to whole bunch of homelesspeople, which was interesting,138901:28:36,540 --> 01:28:38,760but you know, I just bedescribing as I'm walking and139001:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,720the quality was so beautiful ofthis of these microphones. And139101:28:43,200 --> 01:28:48,030people loved it. I one time Irecorded my entire flight. I am139201:28:48,030 --> 01:28:51,840a pilot and I flew myself overthe over the English Channel and139301:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,590as I hoped in the radio, and soI was narrating what it was just139401:28:55,590 --> 01:28:58,770a solo flight. But I wasnarrating and it had this really139501:28:58,770 --> 01:29:02,370cool deep rumble from theengines and it really became an139601:29:02,370 --> 01:29:05,580immersive experience and to beable to enhance that. Oh man.139701:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,520Creative flex babies.139801:29:09,269 --> 01:29:11,159So cool. Greater flex.139901:29:11,550 --> 01:29:13,770Was that on it? Was that on aseparate thing or was that on140001:29:13,770 --> 01:29:14,250daily source140101:29:14,250 --> 01:29:17,250code daily source code? Oh,cool. Yeah, it's out there140201:29:17,250 --> 01:29:17,730somewhere.140301:29:18,240 --> 01:29:22,350Ferrell Jeremy sent us 1000 SATsthrough fountain and he says140401:29:22,710 --> 01:29:30,210first time booster Keep up thegood work. Welcome Nomad Joe140501:29:30,210 --> 01:29:33,600since 2000 SATs and he saysboosted140601:29:35,700 --> 01:29:37,260red roof boosted140701:29:38,610 --> 01:29:44,880our Davis 87 cents 10,000 SATsfor episode this is interesting.140801:29:45,090 --> 01:29:47,910He sent it this week but it wasfor episode 74140901:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,720Bank is way behind. That's allright. We'll take it at least we141001:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,540know what you were listening.What was episode 79 You said or141101:29:54,540 --> 01:29:56,6107574 confetti141201:29:56,610 --> 01:29:57,090cannon?141301:29:57,780 --> 01:30:01,320Oh, okay, back But it's goingback141401:30:01,800 --> 01:30:07,620like 14 weeks ago. Podcasting2.0 To the Moon go podcasting141501:30:07,620 --> 01:30:15,870boost floydian slips give us5000 SATs through fountain Nene141601:30:15,870 --> 01:30:22,110says this is boost advertisingfor post get podcasting for last141701:30:22,110 --> 01:30:26,310it is boost vertising forpodcasting for value last hard141801:30:26,310 --> 01:30:29,190to say when idiots attempt atstarting a value for value141901:30:29,190 --> 01:30:30,000podcast.142001:30:30,390 --> 01:30:32,370That chyron No no, no142101:30:32,370 --> 01:30:36,360no no this is floydian slips.142201:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,850Oh, okay. All right, Ford you'veslipped Yeah,142301:30:39,120 --> 01:30:45,330yeah. See Sam Sethi Oh 100 setshe says test using pod verse and142401:30:45,330 --> 01:30:45,720LB142501:30:48,270 --> 01:30:51,540CASAS receives the boost142601:30:52,890 --> 01:30:54,330delimiter comic strip blogger.142701:30:54,600 --> 01:30:55,740Oh, there he is. Everybody142801:30:56,130 --> 01:31:00,99015,033 sets through fountain andhe says, howdy, David. Adam. I142901:31:00,990 --> 01:31:03,990hope Russian nuclear missilesdidn't reach you didn't reach143001:31:03,990 --> 01:31:09,510you yet. I invite your listenersand vet your listeners to other143101:31:09,510 --> 01:31:13,260podcast by Gregory WilliamForsythe Foreman from Kent smash143201:31:13,260 --> 01:31:18,480cast that that he is doing withDC girl it's about art. Art of143301:31:18,480 --> 01:31:22,440sex in new episode just droppedyesterday. Just search in your143401:31:22,440 --> 01:31:26,040podcast app for Smash castwithout the space in the middle.143501:31:26,130 --> 01:31:27,090Yo look at143601:31:27,090 --> 01:31:31,290that comics are blogger is isbooster gramming promoting other143701:31:31,290 --> 01:31:32,940podcasts. That's143801:31:32,970 --> 01:31:36,210I don't understand what'shappening in the world. He's143901:31:36,210 --> 01:31:38,580giving money to other podcasts.144001:31:38,790 --> 01:31:45,030Now you get to this for thatthat was very cool. It was144101:31:45,030 --> 01:31:45,510beautiful.144201:31:47,610 --> 01:31:50,490Thank you. Everybody knows ourgroup of booster grams and we144301:31:50,490 --> 01:31:57,240got some monthly donors. ChadFarrow $20.22 The PR the ever144401:31:57,270 --> 01:32:07,020lasting PR representative as heScott Jalbert $12144501:32:07,050 --> 01:32:10,260paid to pay tar just says in thechat. Hey guys, I'm interested144601:32:10,260 --> 01:32:13,290in both AI and cooking at thesame time. Do you have any144701:32:13,290 --> 01:32:14,760suggestions?144801:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,340Give me a minute. Give me Ican't144901:32:20,340 --> 01:32:21,420come up with anything.145001:32:21,480 --> 01:32:26,910Yeah, man. I'm drawing a blank.Loretta Vandenberg. $10 Pedro145101:32:26,910 --> 01:32:33,000van calvess $5 Aaron Renaud $5Mark gram $1 Thank you, Mark.145201:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,940And thank you everybody. That'sour that's our group.145301:32:35,969 --> 01:32:38,549Thank you so much for those ofyou bringing time talent145401:32:38,549 --> 01:32:40,979treasure, this is treasure butthe time and talent is145501:32:40,979 --> 01:32:44,729everywhere all over thisproject. Actually, I was145601:32:44,729 --> 01:32:50,099thinking because we got a littlebit of talent and time which for145701:32:50,099 --> 01:32:53,159this type of person equalstreasure. We got a really nice145801:32:53,159 --> 01:32:59,759opinion from a lawyer aboutwallets and the pending145901:32:59,759 --> 01:33:04,649legislation of you know what abroker is all this stuff that146001:33:04,649 --> 01:33:07,739gets everybody nervous. Yeah, doyou think we should have him146101:33:07,739 --> 01:33:08,519have him on?146201:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,400No Yeah, for real? Yes, sure.Sure.146301:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,920I mean, I've been asked him Ihaven't asked him but I'll just146401:33:13,920 --> 01:33:15,570say look you can't bill us forthis146501:33:17,820 --> 01:33:19,590exposure but we'll free exposurewill146601:33:19,590 --> 01:33:24,300give you a split in the in thevalue block. We'll do that.146701:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,590Yeah, cuz it's, he's a fun guy.So it might be interesting to146801:33:28,590 --> 01:33:31,890have him maybe not for the wholeshow but have him on and just I146901:33:31,890 --> 01:33:32,190think we147001:33:32,190 --> 01:33:36,570should have him on in this forthis reason is because I listen147101:33:36,570 --> 01:33:42,030to a lot of Bitcoin podcasts andpeople in Bitcoin Bitcoiners and147201:33:42,030 --> 01:33:45,630people involved in Bitcointhings do not talk about the147301:33:45,630 --> 01:33:50,400real world aspects of the legalside of things. They never they147401:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,310hardly ever talk about it.Right. Even in private, they147501:33:53,310 --> 01:33:56,970don't when you ask, Hey, what'syour opinion on? Is this? Is147601:33:56,970 --> 01:34:02,760this kosher? Can we do this?Like, nobody has anything to147701:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,690offer? And so actually hearingsomebody say, you know, I think147801:34:06,780 --> 01:34:10,230this is okay, or this issomething you should watch out147901:34:10,230 --> 01:34:12,780for. That's valuable stuff.148001:34:13,620 --> 01:34:17,820I think Yeah. And you saw it.You saw the the letter that he148101:34:17,820 --> 01:34:20,760wrote, he'd really done somework. I mean, he even looked at148201:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,300tally coin, and, and all theseother things that we're doing148301:34:24,300 --> 01:34:26,850specifically. I mean, that was Ithought it was very interesting.148401:34:26,850 --> 01:34:29,490And he said, Hey, you know, Idon't see where listeners would148501:34:29,490 --> 01:34:32,400have to be reporting anything. Imean, basically, what it came148601:34:32,400 --> 01:34:38,190down to was the IRS or theopinion that would be the148701:34:38,190 --> 01:34:41,310regulation that would beenforced by the IRS is kind of148801:34:41,310 --> 01:34:45,090goes as follows. If you don'thave any information of value to148901:34:45,090 --> 01:34:48,210us on this person, we're notinterested in you.149001:34:49,620 --> 01:34:51,630Thought that was really good.That was a really good149101:34:51,630 --> 01:34:56,490observation because it like whenit comes to tax reporting taxes,149201:34:56,490 --> 01:35:00,000things like 1099 's and stufflike that. If you don't know any149301:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,910Anything about the person, thenyou can't report anything so149401:35:02,910 --> 01:35:03,570they don't care.149501:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,270Right? That's exactly what itsays. Yeah, it's exactly what it149601:35:06,270 --> 01:35:10,050says. You know, it's all littlemoney anyway, this is really149701:35:10,050 --> 01:35:14,700much more for exchanges and, andyou know, for Big Boy stuff. Not149801:35:14,700 --> 01:35:18,720that yeah, not the value forvalue isn't big boy stuff, but149901:35:18,720 --> 01:35:24,000it's it's so distributed andwide and therefore much smaller150001:35:24,030 --> 01:35:26,910assist just it's not going to beof interest.150101:35:27,450 --> 01:35:30,210Yeah, yeah I think we definitelyshould do150201:35:31,350 --> 01:35:36,000two quick lips before livebooster grams that just came in150301:35:36,480 --> 01:35:43,110see Brooklyn 112 Thank you foryour courage on the from a curio150401:35:43,110 --> 01:35:47,670caster and we have one fromfountain No, that's sorry.150501:35:47,670 --> 01:35:52,200That's interesting. Somethingjust came in for no agenda.150601:35:53,250 --> 01:35:54,210Really right now.150701:35:54,810 --> 01:35:59,610Yeah, for Bitcoin fixes thiswakeup JCD I thought I thought150801:35:59,610 --> 01:36:04,110for sure that was gonna be forus. I know I've been mixed node.150901:36:04,800 --> 01:36:09,660And makes note. Yeah, I get allkinds of stuff on my node. I151001:36:09,660 --> 01:36:12,870just sometimes just sit thereall day and just watch. Watch151101:36:12,870 --> 01:36:15,420the green glow and theoccasional aquarium.151201:36:15,510 --> 01:36:16,830Yes, yes.151301:36:17,100 --> 01:36:21,630Oh my god, a heavy pad aquariumstyle, where the fish are just151401:36:21,630 --> 01:36:24,600swimming and all sudden one ofthem will glow. And a number151501:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,900will pop up. That's first streamand that one will just explode151601:36:27,900 --> 01:36:31,200into fish guts and confetti.When a booster Graham comes in.151701:36:31,200 --> 01:36:31,260Do151801:36:31,260 --> 01:36:32,730you have an audible before theshow?151901:36:32,849 --> 01:36:36,299Okay, well, it's a late show.What can I tell you? I'm sorry.152001:36:36,299 --> 01:36:41,309I'd already had my dinner mycoffee. So yeah, there you go.152101:36:41,309 --> 01:36:44,429Thank you, everybody forsupporting us value for value.152201:36:44,429 --> 01:36:48,269If you don't see a boost buttonin your app, you should get a152301:36:48,269 --> 01:36:52,679better one new podcastapps.com 58 apps and services152401:36:52,679 --> 01:36:56,339now using the podcasting 2.0standards.152501:36:56,550 --> 01:37:01,74059. Actually, oh, because I justmerged a new one into the Apps152601:37:01,740 --> 01:37:03,720page today, but hadn't rolled itout yet.152701:37:03,780 --> 01:37:10,890Which one is that? I forgot. Somany now we forgotten. Yes. Yes.152801:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,730And not everybody has all theall the features all the tags.152901:37:14,730 --> 01:37:16,920But this is this is how how wegrow it.153001:37:17,550 --> 01:37:21,360Nick is busy on the Apps page ofthe book. I don't think so.153101:37:21,960 --> 01:37:27,840We're not on 6060 6660s bignumbers. Great.153201:37:27,990 --> 01:37:30,540Yeah, you gotta go. Yeah. Put iton there. Yeah, you got153301:37:30,570 --> 01:37:33,360all you have to do is do a pullrequest. Nick. Do you know how153401:37:33,360 --> 01:37:33,960to do that?153501:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,460Yep. Yep. Good. Or at least Iknow. I know. Someone that knows153601:37:38,460 --> 01:37:38,820how to do153701:37:38,820 --> 01:37:42,000exactly. That's my answer toYeah, I know. I know. A guy who153801:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,060can do that for me. Excellent.What else we need to cover?153901:37:45,060 --> 01:37:48,090Dave? What are we missinganything for? For our show here?154001:37:48,090 --> 01:37:48,720Our little show?154101:37:49,830 --> 01:37:53,160I think we've had a good show.I've got an ISO if you want to154201:37:53,160 --> 01:37:55,650if you want to roll that out.And that one out there. Sure.154301:37:55,710 --> 01:38:01,050Don't have a faint in Holland.That's from Top Gear. You're154401:38:01,050 --> 01:38:04,680watching Top Gear. Yeah, hecalled me. Yes. I don't remember154501:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,450the episode though. Yeah,154601:38:07,200 --> 01:38:15,780it was that one was some FormulaOne Dutch guy like some some one154701:38:15,780 --> 01:38:17,970of the one of the babes whenthey come race babes or154801:38:17,970 --> 01:38:18,420whatever.154901:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,710Posts. Oh, that's, that's aDutch version of it. Sorry.155001:38:22,740 --> 01:38:23,280That's it there155101:38:25,980 --> 01:38:31,080you go. Whatever they whateverthe term for that is the girls155201:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,500that like start the race orwhatever. She just fainted. Oh,155301:38:35,250 --> 01:38:41,430and landed on his car. Theseguys come to help her back to155401:38:41,430 --> 01:38:44,250the pit or whatever help. Theypick me up, pick her up or155501:38:44,250 --> 01:38:48,690whatever. And then one of themgrabs her but when he picks her155601:38:48,690 --> 01:38:51,600up in there, yes. And they werelike don't ever feign in155701:38:51,600 --> 01:38:52,020Holland.155801:38:55,020 --> 01:38:56,280You can always count on him.155901:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,640And then the Dutch racecardriver. The Dutch driver says,156001:39:00,240 --> 01:39:05,370Man did you mess my car up? Notissue. Okay, but did you screw156101:39:05,370 --> 01:39:05,850my car up?156201:39:06,600 --> 01:39:10,320That's funny, Nick, man. Thankyou so much for for getting up156301:39:10,320 --> 01:39:16,650early. And let me see. I have itis not. Wait. 1247156401:39:17,820 --> 01:39:20,820It's not 1247. Yeah. Okay. Itwasn't that it wasn't too bad.156501:39:20,820 --> 01:39:22,380Wasn't the office the size ofthe day?156601:39:22,410 --> 01:39:25,440Exactly. Well, we get you out ofhere in time for lunch. Yeah,156701:39:25,470 --> 01:39:28,170no. You're just in time forSunday church service, right?156801:39:28,170 --> 01:39:29,520Yeah. Aren't you three daysahead of us?156901:39:30,690 --> 01:39:32,310We are. It's already Wednesday.157001:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,540I know. It's the same to youguys for having me. Yeah, man.157101:39:36,540 --> 01:39:39,870And congratulations to you andyour partners and the team and157201:39:40,650 --> 01:39:44,760obviously, here to help where wecan and again, appreciate you157301:39:44,760 --> 01:39:45,240coming on.157401:39:46,290 --> 01:39:48,510Really, really appreciate comingon you guys. This has been an157501:39:48,510 --> 01:39:50,970amazing experience. And thankyou for all that you do looking157601:39:50,970 --> 01:39:54,720forward to every episode. Thelawyer would love to hear what157701:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,550he has to say. It's usually fromthe other end only. So I'd love157801:39:59,550 --> 01:40:02,640to hear this Side A balancedopinion I think157901:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,540I'm gonna get them on the showbut we'll put them on a vocoder.158001:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,570Oh, disguises voice158101:40:11,910 --> 01:40:16,110lawyer making making the showYeah.158201:40:16,440 --> 01:40:18,360Would have been the shadow yeahput a light behind him if you're158301:40:18,360 --> 01:40:19,020using the camera.158401:40:19,080 --> 01:40:22,530Yes, yes, yes all that yes,absolutely. All right guys. It's158501:40:22,530 --> 01:40:23,580been amazing you guys158601:40:23,610 --> 01:40:27,000yeah thanks man. Good job foryour first podcast interview158701:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,870very very well done you have noproblems at all. absolutely158801:40:30,990 --> 01:40:34,050appreciate it all right Daveguys hey bro Have a good weekend158901:40:34,050 --> 01:40:36,570and everybody in the chat roomThank you for listening. Thanks159001:40:36,570 --> 01:40:42,780for participating in the thanksfor participating in the live159101:40:42,780 --> 01:40:45,270chat. We'll see you next Fridaywith another board meeting of159201:40:45,270 --> 01:40:46,710podcasting 2.0159301:41:01,020 --> 01:41:06,060you been listening to podcasting2.0 Visit podcast in this159401:41:06,060 --> 01:41:08,190dashboard for more information159501:41:15,660 --> 01:41:21,000I want to lose the very bestlike no one ever was.159601:41:22,920 --> 01:41:26,640Is my real dad to lose them ismy159701:41:29,130 --> 01:41:33,420I will lose them across the landboosting car.159801:41:35,580 --> 01:41:36,780It was two grams