Episode 87: Freerange & Unsupervised

100:00:00,719 --> 00:00:06,269podcasting 2.0 From May 27 2020to Episode 87 We're free rains200:00:06,269 --> 00:00:07,379and unsupervised.300:00:08,790 --> 00:00:12,930Hello everybody, welcome topodcasting. 2.0 It is the400:00:12,930 --> 00:00:16,530podcast that is the officialboard meeting of the entire500:00:16,530 --> 00:00:20,160podcast 2.0 movement. That'sright everything that's going on600:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,670that you may or may not seeahead of the screen and behind700:00:23,670 --> 00:00:27,810the screen at podcast index.orgWhat's going on with the podcast800:00:27,810 --> 00:00:31,530standards? Are we lit in Ohyeah, everything that is being900:00:31,530 --> 00:00:34,740discussed in podcast index dotsocial. I'm Adam curry here in1000:00:34,740 --> 00:00:37,680the heart of the Texas HillCountry and an Alabama the three1100:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,560time heavyweight champion of theworld my friend on the other end1200:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,740ladies and gentlemen say helloto Mr. Dave Jones.1300:00:45,180 --> 00:00:47,460There are many things I amheavyweight is not one of them.1400:00:48,030 --> 00:00:51,450I thought it would make an extrafunny Bantam weight. Maybe maybe1500:00:51,450 --> 00:00:54,480we're banter. banter was toosmall. This is small feather1600:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,260isn't featherweight1700:00:57,660 --> 00:01:00,390bent and I've never understoodthis this that one doesn't make1800:01:00,390 --> 00:01:03,390any sense. What is Bantam? Well,I also didn't say champion of1900:01:03,390 --> 00:01:08,400what I mean. I didn't say UFC orheavyweight boxing champion of2000:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,800the world. You in my mind. Allright, true. Heavyweight2100:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,440Champion Dave Jones. No, sage.Yes, you are. Thank you, are you2200:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,540brother, we are lit. Once again,the live item tag is on the air,2300:01:21,570 --> 00:01:23,520which means people can2400:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,330can listen to this live theyshould have been notified in2500:01:27,330 --> 00:01:30,960either curio caster or in Idon't know if the actual2600:01:30,960 --> 00:01:34,140notification came through forpod verse. But that's because2700:01:35,310 --> 00:01:37,440neither you or I have anycapability to do that2800:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,670apparently, which is just peachykeen. That is bonkers.2900:01:42,960 --> 00:01:47,250I mean, like what, In whatworld? Should I not be able to3000:01:47,250 --> 00:01:52,380send a live pod being that don'tget it? Well, we my own fault.3100:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,910We decided to kind of moveforward. I also couldn't get the3200:01:57,570 --> 00:02:01,110I had the live streaming camerathat I got for us.3300:02:02,670 --> 00:02:07,800No agenda tube for the pier tobut instance that, you know,3400:02:07,830 --> 00:02:10,140hope hopefully we'll beintegrating into some of this3500:02:10,140 --> 00:02:10,980live stuff soon.3600:02:12,030 --> 00:02:12,840And3700:02:14,730 --> 00:02:18,420yeah, the browser keeps tellingme oh, no, I don't have3800:02:18,420 --> 00:02:21,150permission to access Windows, ofcourse don't have permission to3900:02:21,150 --> 00:02:24,780access refresh, restart thebrowser, reboot the machine. And4000:02:24,780 --> 00:02:26,010like that's where I draw theline.4100:02:27,540 --> 00:02:29,070They Yeah, I mean, we4200:02:30,210 --> 00:02:30,870the4300:02:32,700 --> 00:02:36,180the technical abilities, of whatof what we4400:02:37,290 --> 00:02:40,530would you call it what of whatwe portray versus what we4500:02:40,530 --> 00:02:43,080actually have. There's amismatch there.4600:02:44,100 --> 00:02:47,880And we're like, we're behind,we're sort of behind our own4700:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,440curve. Well, there is also anentire culture of live streaming4800:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,160that I've never really been apart of. This is YouTube, like4900:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,520stuff. So this is this is allcompletely new, what I love5000:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,260today. So we have sovereignfeeds. And I just big props to5100:03:04,350 --> 00:03:09,450Steven B with what he's doing onsovereign feeds, totes, totes.5200:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,550So now we have the web hookintegrated. So when I go to let5300:03:14,550 --> 00:03:18,690everybody know that a live feedis pending, I no longer have to5400:03:18,900 --> 00:03:24,870add output an RSS file and thenFTP that, it just removes all5500:03:24,870 --> 00:03:28,500these beautiful little steps, itjust one clicks into server. And5600:03:28,500 --> 00:03:31,020then I still have to hit the podping manually. But that'll all5700:03:31,020 --> 00:03:32,400be automatic soon, I'm sure.5800:03:34,140 --> 00:03:38,850The now he also has chaptersthat are working the same way5900:03:38,850 --> 00:03:42,450that you can you can editchapters, right in this kind of6000:03:42,450 --> 00:03:44,850a nice chapter editor. I'veplayed around with it just a6100:03:44,850 --> 00:03:49,500little bit in sovereign feeds.Internet have seen it? Oh, yeah.6200:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,320It's, it's, I mean, this, thisthing is coming together. You6300:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,800know, I couldn't quite figureout how to associate the right6400:03:55,830 --> 00:03:59,490web hook with the podcast. Andit turns out that I hadn't.6500:04:00,780 --> 00:04:04,170I hadn't added it to myfavorites. And quite honestly,6600:04:04,170 --> 00:04:07,650I've never used favorites. Andthis is a little topic of6700:04:07,650 --> 00:04:11,580discussion I'd like to bring upwhen you have someone like me,6800:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,420who gets in really early and isworking with a developer and6900:04:15,420 --> 00:04:18,780providing feedback and doingstuff. And you'll recognize7000:04:18,780 --> 00:04:22,020this, Dave, because we've we'vedone this for many, many years,7100:04:22,380 --> 00:04:24,750that a certain point, youactually make reference to this7200:04:24,750 --> 00:04:28,020in a different way. This is myside of the equation. Now7300:04:28,020 --> 00:04:30,960there's things that I'll justwork around, because I'm always7400:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,630using these tools in production.You know, that's the running7500:04:33,630 --> 00:04:35,760with scissors. So I'm like,Yeah, I'll just use this. Who7600:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,190cares if it doesn't work threeminutes before the show, you7700:04:38,190 --> 00:04:42,270know, we'll just we'll justfigure it out. Right? But other7800:04:42,270 --> 00:04:47,640steps that a developer thenlater starts to abstract and7900:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,260turn into, you know, onefunction or one click if it was8000:04:52,260 --> 00:04:57,600not told, if I'm not told, like,Hey, you can now do this like8100:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,000this or we've had I don't evenknow if I even realized8200:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,410If there was a Favorites button,8300:05:02,669 --> 00:05:04,679it's not something that wasthere in the beginning. So I8400:05:04,679 --> 00:05:07,619never. And of course, it makesso much sense. I have four8500:05:07,619 --> 00:05:10,409feeds, I'm always typing it inthe search box, I'm doing the8600:05:10,409 --> 00:05:13,919stupid shit. Like, oh, I canjust add this to favorites. Now8700:05:13,919 --> 00:05:17,819in this case, adding the podcastto favorites meant that I could8800:05:17,819 --> 00:05:21,809also associate the web hook withit. Right, and subsequently a8900:05:21,809 --> 00:05:26,369chapter web hook if if we wantto go that route. So this was,9000:05:26,939 --> 00:05:32,279this was just interesting to mefrom for a developer. It's like9100:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,539sometimes your best users whoare in their early are not going9200:05:36,539 --> 00:05:39,329to undo I mean, I, at a certainpoint, I didn't understand what9300:05:39,329 --> 00:05:43,109the UI was doing. Because the UIwas just It worked differently.9400:05:43,109 --> 00:05:47,339And I'm so used to workingwithin the confines of what is9500:05:47,339 --> 00:05:51,179provided that is confusing. SoI'm not sure how to solve this.9600:05:51,989 --> 00:05:55,979It's just some data I'd like togive you as a user.9700:05:57,540 --> 00:06:03,660It seems the cause a change,change log sort of thing would9800:06:03,660 --> 00:06:07,950be good. Like just a pop up thatyou know, how you like when you9900:06:07,950 --> 00:06:11,580get a pop up that says, hey, youknow, this, these things have10000:06:11,580 --> 00:06:13,170changed? That's a good point.Yeah, that's,10100:06:14,250 --> 00:06:18,510that's, that's one good thingabout test flight. And the iOS10200:06:19,890 --> 00:06:25,950beta testing system in is whenyou put in show, like, you put10300:06:25,950 --> 00:06:29,280in change logs, okay, here'swhat we changed by when you10400:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,190install the latest update. Ityou know, it tells you, hey,10500:06:32,190 --> 00:06:34,590there's a new update available,you hit it, and then it comes10600:06:34,590 --> 00:06:37,020up, and it just gives you aliterally, it just gives you a10700:06:37,020 --> 00:06:40,470full page change log, this says,Here's what updated and here's10800:06:40,470 --> 00:06:44,820what we need you to test in,it's just a itemized list of all10900:06:44,820 --> 00:06:47,760the different things that wereadded. That would be cool,11000:06:48,180 --> 00:06:53,430within within sovereign feeds tohave like a pop up whenever,11100:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,670whenever something's new. Yeah,remember, whenever the version11200:06:56,670 --> 00:06:57,750number changes or something,11300:06:59,220 --> 00:07:03,300then you signal a pop up withthe latest, you know, change log11400:07:03,300 --> 00:07:06,690or whatever. And also, this onewent in. And I'll also say that11500:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,830curio cast or the other side ofsovereign feeds has become11600:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,870really smooth. I don't knowexactly what Stephen did, but I11700:07:15,870 --> 00:07:19,500have no less issues. Andsometimes it would crash that's11800:07:19,500 --> 00:07:20,700been gone for weeks.11900:07:21,810 --> 00:07:25,620The, you know, the new episodes,which I think is a crucial part12000:07:25,620 --> 00:07:28,170of any podcast app is you know,what episodes that I'm12100:07:28,170 --> 00:07:31,200subscribed of feeds I'msubscribed to is new in reverse12200:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,910chronological order. That's forme, it's critical. That works as12300:07:35,910 --> 00:07:37,620expected every single time.12400:07:38,670 --> 00:07:43,560Restarting gonna it's just a webapp. So I have it saved as you12500:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,510know, as a desktop web app on mygraphene OS. When I open up a12600:07:48,510 --> 00:07:51,420pot when it opened back up, thepodcast I was listening to is12700:07:51,420 --> 00:07:54,540still there. It's still queuedto the right time I hit play, it12800:07:54,540 --> 00:07:59,100starts playing from there. Theseare not small things. And when12900:07:59,100 --> 00:08:02,010they really get fixed,everything starts to sing. It's13000:08:02,010 --> 00:08:08,010really impressive. Well, did yousee the demo video that Mitch13100:08:08,010 --> 00:08:12,270posted and he's got a he's gotthe cross, like a crowd the13200:08:12,270 --> 00:08:17,580cross platform, position, timeposition sync stuff kind of13300:08:17,580 --> 00:08:22,590nailed down now so you canlisten on pod pod verse on the13400:08:22,590 --> 00:08:26,790web pod versus on the on theiPhone pod versal Nan Oh, so13500:08:26,790 --> 00:08:28,950doesn't cross device. Oh,13600:08:30,090 --> 00:08:34,680nice. Nice. It's really nice tosee all these podcasting 2.013700:08:34,680 --> 00:08:36,630apps just sort of like13800:08:37,680 --> 00:08:40,800they they're starting theirfeature set has always been big13900:08:40,830 --> 00:08:45,600but then like now they're juststarting to polish. Yeah, things14000:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,760get that to get everythingeverything's starting to feel14100:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,870real tight. One other thing thatwas really nice because we have14200:08:51,870 --> 00:08:56,850the we call it lit the live itemtags so the show went lit and14300:08:57,450 --> 00:09:00,720but even before if you do theshow pending and you publish14400:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,080okay, you update the feed mightthe show was pending us at14500:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,52012:35pm that's where we're gonnastart. Then you go to curio cast14600:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,040or there's a pending broadcasttab which I don't know if that's14700:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,830the right way to do it. Andhonestly, I would like to have14800:09:14,070 --> 00:09:19,800any any new live item maybe evenpending live items. I'd like to14900:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,220have those in my new episodefeed because that's where the15000:09:23,220 --> 00:09:27,660first place I look. So you knowthat just in most well however15100:09:27,660 --> 00:09:29,700that works and it needs to beapparent to me.15200:09:30,750 --> 00:09:34,320When you when you click on thepending, it brings up a box15300:09:34,380 --> 00:09:37,530actually it's a list you can seemultiple shows that are that are15400:09:37,530 --> 00:09:42,270pending to go live. And rightthere it has boost, you can pre15500:09:42,270 --> 00:09:47,490boost the show. Oh, it's sexy.It's really cool. It brings up15600:09:47,490 --> 00:09:50,700the boost panel and you can prewrite a boosted gram so you15700:09:50,700 --> 00:09:53,490actually boosting into theepisode before it's live. It's15800:09:53,490 --> 00:09:57,930really cool. Oh, that's that'syeah, that's a great idea. Great15900:09:57,930 --> 00:09:59,970idea. You know, you can someonecan throw it16000:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,270Last minute it matches. I'lltell you 100,000 SATs gets my16100:10:03,270 --> 00:10:08,790attention it does just say itdoes just saying no that's not16200:10:08,790 --> 00:10:11,130hearing the booster boostergrams are coming in but I'm not16300:10:11,130 --> 00:10:16,560hearing that when we see thatinteract with the page. Oh, yes,16400:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,260I'm sorry on the page interactwith the page. Yes, I looked at16500:10:19,260 --> 00:10:22,500the page and went, Hey, how youdoing? And the page went? Hey,16600:10:22,710 --> 00:10:25,050okay, yes, I clicked on it.Okay, so now it should work.16700:10:26,010 --> 00:10:28,680Should they want to want to doanything about it? God I'm gonna16800:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,880need any again to the pointwhere I think No, thanks, guys.16900:10:33,750 --> 00:10:35,400Again, to the point where Ithink I'm gonna be reading17000:10:35,430 --> 00:10:40,320reading glasses. I mean, I'mexactly the opposite. My eyes17100:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,760are shit but I'm nearsighted.That's why I love small screens17200:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,750that get really close to my leftleaning in you know, I don't17300:10:48,750 --> 00:10:51,450like multiple applications on ascreen just one screen at a17400:10:51,450 --> 00:10:55,860time. I've never had visionproblems before and and all of a17500:10:55,860 --> 00:11:01,350sudden it's like podcasting. 2.0in Messenger with your health.17600:11:01,380 --> 00:11:06,750Yeah. It's your eyeballs areslowly deteriorating. Piece by17700:11:06,750 --> 00:11:11,280piece. Yeah. You know, so I'mhaving to like, pull things out17800:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,120for so here. Does it work thisway? If you're nearsighted the17900:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,910older you get everything startsto balance out. That's what they18000:11:17,910 --> 00:11:20,970say. But there's no realevidence of that for me. I have18100:11:20,970 --> 00:11:24,240better days and usually at homeI walk around without glasses. I18200:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,780hate my glasses. It's it'spainful. I used to wear lenses.18300:11:28,770 --> 00:11:31,590That's just stupid putting stuffon your eyes.18400:11:33,060 --> 00:11:34,560That just got old for me.18500:11:35,610 --> 00:11:38,880So of course, the problem is ifyou can't find your glasses when18600:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,190you need your glasses, and youcan't find them because you need18700:11:41,190 --> 00:11:44,640glasses. Yes, the industry. Wellthen you're you're either18800:11:44,670 --> 00:11:48,420screwed. And you're alwaysasking for help. Luckily, Tina18900:11:48,420 --> 00:11:51,870is farsighted. So we're theperfect match. Or pa he has two19000:11:51,870 --> 00:11:54,870sides of the same coin, whereyou get one of those chains with19100:11:54,870 --> 00:11:57,480your glasses around the neck andyou start smoking a pipe.19200:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,270A monocle.19300:12:01,650 --> 00:12:04,860A monocle. That's a pretty coolidea. I could pocket I could19400:12:04,860 --> 00:12:08,070rock a monocle. You could youget about here Monaco kind of19500:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,050guy. Rockin the monocle.19600:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,820Did the sovereign feeds webhook? Yeah. I mean, I haven't19700:12:14,820 --> 00:12:17,910checked it. It's working. Right?Yeah. No, we weren't first gold.19800:12:17,940 --> 00:12:20,670Yeah, no, we're definitelygolden. This thing works. All we19900:12:20,670 --> 00:12:25,230need is just building the, thepod ping. And that's it. Okay,20000:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,370don't perfect. Yeah, go ahead. Idon't know, like, what what this20100:12:29,370 --> 00:12:34,050is the sovereign, sovereignfeeds that Adam uses to generate20200:12:34,050 --> 00:12:38,940the feed, as the web has a webhook feature that will ship the20300:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,440full XML of the podcast feed20400:12:44,700 --> 00:12:50,190in a in a get request or a postrequest, up to a server of your20500:12:50,190 --> 00:12:55,110choosing with a secret. And sowe've got an extra talk about20600:12:55,110 --> 00:12:55,620this first thing,20700:12:56,850 --> 00:13:01,320because some interesting thingscame out of this like,20800:13:02,370 --> 00:13:05,430so what we'll do is you, youknow, you just set up a box20900:13:05,430 --> 00:13:12,480somewhere that can receive this,this HTTP request. And then when21000:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,610it comes in, you just dowhatever you want to with feed,21100:13:14,610 --> 00:13:16,050you're gonna, you're gonna stickit somewhere.21200:13:18,330 --> 00:13:24,090And where we where we stick itis in object storage in an s321300:13:24,090 --> 00:13:26,310bucket, on Linode21400:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,640in their New Jersey data center,and that's a bucket that is21500:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,570accessible through the URLthrough the domain name, feeds21600:13:36,570 --> 00:13:41,190that podcast index.org. And sothen we got all that work in21700:13:41,940 --> 00:13:46,860whenever the whenever the, theweb hook gets called, it saves21800:13:46,860 --> 00:13:52,170the feed temporarily on the fileon the on the box, turns around21900:13:52,170 --> 00:13:57,120does a call to upload it toobject storage. And then it's22000:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,330done. Well, then22100:14:01,560 --> 00:14:06,540the object storage bucket isfronted by Cloudflare. So the22200:14:06,540 --> 00:14:09,540Cloudflare is Cloudflare cachingeverything22300:14:10,620 --> 00:14:11,460and then22400:14:12,960 --> 00:14:18,720paying the mark void zero, whoruns the nodes into the CDN and22500:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,330told him you know, hey, can youput in a redirect redirect for22600:14:21,330 --> 00:14:26,970us? Right, so our old Feed URLis now 302 redirecting to the22700:14:26,970 --> 00:14:32,400feeds dot podcast index.org Andso we didn't lose we didn't lose22800:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,770anything and we're notofficially changing the feed URL22900:14:34,770 --> 00:14:37,200the feed URL staying the sameit's just gonna be a redirect23000:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,450for for an indefinite point ofamount of time. The23100:14:43,530 --> 00:14:46,650The interesting thing was now wecan get we can get some stats23200:14:47,130 --> 00:14:51,780ah, statistics Oh, that's right.Yeah. What did we learn spoke23300:14:51,780 --> 00:14:54,630Spanish. That was Italian butokay. Yeah.23400:14:55,770 --> 00:14:59,970Thing is battalion. What whatwhat are the stats23500:15:01,410 --> 00:15:04,500Are these IAB certified? Oh,yeah.23600:15:07,770 --> 00:15:11,400Yeah, that's what we this isalso we can pimp our stats so we23700:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,570can get advertisers.23800:15:13,980 --> 00:15:15,810I'm gonna call Spotifymomentarily.23900:15:18,090 --> 00:15:21,600Yeah, we can get wild turkey.Wait a minute, you know, we24000:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,140apparently now Buzzsprout hascreated some ad thing.24100:15:26,280 --> 00:15:31,140Oh, yeah. Well, I asked if Ibooster grand Kevin and asked24200:15:31,140 --> 00:15:36,540him this, at some point, will webe able to on buzz cast? At some24300:15:36,540 --> 00:15:39,660point we'll be able to like,target a specific show, say24400:15:39,660 --> 00:15:44,940like, I want to, I want to dropan ad for podcasting 2.0 Show24500:15:44,940 --> 00:15:48,210into broadcast and haven't heardback I have to wait for the next24600:15:48,210 --> 00:15:51,360episode of their show to dropbefore I can get a response to24700:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,440Oh, so is it intended foradvertising or more for promos?24800:15:57,330 --> 00:15:58,530I mean, I think it's, I thinkit's I24900:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,090think it's advertising. I thinkit's any advertising you want.25000:16:03,090 --> 00:16:06,180But then, from what Iunderstand, you can't target a25100:16:06,180 --> 00:16:08,580specific show. Like you justthrow it out there and say these25200:16:08,580 --> 00:16:12,300are the types of shows I want.And then they just get offered25300:16:12,300 --> 00:16:13,440to the podcasters.25400:16:15,090 --> 00:16:18,960So like you as the podcasterwould get these notifications25500:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,320saying, hey, such there, here'sa new ad that's available. Do25600:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,610you want to do? Allow that onyour show? Okay. Which is a good25700:16:26,610 --> 00:16:30,360way to do it. On the back on thebacks that we could25800:16:31,530 --> 00:16:35,760I want to be able to target aspecific show. But the me too,25900:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,810and I want to create specificads. Yeah, for specific shows.26000:16:39,810 --> 00:16:43,020Yeah. And then I want to swapout the mp3 so that26100:16:44,850 --> 00:16:47,820I wanted to insert somethingelse than what I originally made26200:16:47,820 --> 00:16:51,570available at the last minute thelast minute Yes. Yeah. Just go26300:16:51,570 --> 00:16:55,560meal switch disco booty Bootybooty Booty, podcast. 2.026400:16:55,710 --> 00:16:57,090Running with Scissors spaghetti.26500:16:59,550 --> 00:17:01,350That is my promo right there.26600:17:02,820 --> 00:17:08,250We have since we changed thisover on Tuesday.26700:17:09,810 --> 00:17:12,570And then towards the end of theday, so like six o'clock on26800:17:12,570 --> 00:17:18,240Tuesday. PM. So since then. Soyou got was that Wednesday,26900:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,530Thursday, Friday.27000:17:20,550 --> 00:17:24,900Since then we've had 42,000requests for the feed.27100:17:27,210 --> 00:17:28,200What does that mean?27200:17:29,370 --> 00:17:32,940That means it's been it's beenasked it's, it's been polled27300:17:32,940 --> 00:17:37,86042,000 times. Okay, so thatmeans we are about 18 listeners.27400:17:38,550 --> 00:17:42,000Probably. These are mostly sohere's this. These are the27500:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,950interesting stats. So podcastaddict.27600:17:45,420 --> 00:17:48,480Xavier's aggregator hit us about8000 times.27700:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,620Antenna pod hit us about 2000.27800:17:53,850 --> 00:17:58,590There's one that it just it'sjust not these are not very good27900:17:58,620 --> 00:18:03,360RSS wire. The wire is fine appsnot using pod ping. Because the28000:18:03,360 --> 00:18:07,200less the less polling thebetter. No. Oh, they do? Yes.28100:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,130Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Likepodcast addict does. He's, he's28200:18:11,220 --> 00:18:14,670paying but Oh, so it's maybeit's not maybe it's not polling,28300:18:14,670 --> 00:18:19,800but it's when someone actuallyloads the loads the loads the28400:18:19,800 --> 00:18:20,970feed that or you know,28500:18:22,260 --> 00:18:26,610it's like breeze when you hitbreeze. It will load I believe28600:18:26,610 --> 00:18:29,430it loads from the feed and notfrom the index for the for the28700:18:29,430 --> 00:18:32,760listing. For the episodes. Itloads from the index, or it gets28800:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,090information from the index.Yeah, I think a lot of the28900:18:36,090 --> 00:18:39,720mobile apps did they'll hit thefeed themselves just as a, like29000:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,530a double check. Okay, that makessense. Cuz Casta Matic does that29100:18:43,530 --> 00:18:46,980too. It's all on device. Thankyou. Thank you, Tom.29200:18:46,980 --> 00:18:52,860Starkweather 3330 3330 SATs andhello to Shawn in Cape Town,29300:18:52,860 --> 00:18:58,170South Africa. Oh, nice. Yeah, wego global. We are baby. I'm glad29400:18:58,170 --> 00:19:03,360we got that antenna pointed thatdirection. Yeah. Cast Matic. It29500:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,840is like one point. See that?1200 times and overcast hit us29600:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,320about 1200 times. Anyway, justgoing through this because the29700:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,850interesting thing that we hitourselves 1000 times.29800:19:16,770 --> 00:19:19,770I think it is illegal. It'sillegal in some states. I don't29900:19:19,770 --> 00:19:19,980think30000:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,080yourself like that.30100:19:24,180 --> 00:19:31,470But that's, that's interesting.Because it it's less, then some30200:19:31,470 --> 00:19:34,830are less than you would thinkand others are more. It's just30300:19:34,830 --> 00:19:39,060interesting to see how manytimes we're getting polled from30400:19:39,060 --> 00:19:43,590these various faiths and we werepretty low. I mean, we're 100030500:19:43,590 --> 00:19:46,080we're like maybe 10th down onthe world. Can you explain what30600:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,250you mean by not what you wouldexpect? I don't understand what30700:19:50,250 --> 00:19:53,700you're insinuating. I don'tunderstand what I'm insinuating.30800:19:55,110 --> 00:19:59,130I have no point of this is acurious walk down the down this30900:19:59,820 --> 00:19:59,970line.31000:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,910Yeah, this is the thing withstats. It's like you're looking31100:20:02,910 --> 00:20:08,670at you extrapolate. I told youwe had a, I sold a program to31200:20:08,670 --> 00:20:14,520our clients when we had thinknew ideas in 96. Public Company,31300:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,690we had Reebok, Anheuser Buschbig, big companies. And31400:20:19,770 --> 00:20:21,960this was very early days. Sothey you know, of course, they31500:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,740want to understand what washappening. And so we sold them31600:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,590ASAP. And ASAP was an acronymfor advanced statistic Analysis31700:20:31,590 --> 00:20:34,770Program, which was basicallyripped, which is basically you31800:20:34,770 --> 00:20:38,970got Webtrends Webtrends chartsand then someone called you and31900:20:38,970 --> 00:20:42,510walk you through it, but you canextrapolate it any way you want.32000:20:43,770 --> 00:20:52,530So ASAP was grip with the prettymuch wrap, grab pie with WC.32100:20:55,980 --> 00:21:00,630WC, WC dash SL Yeah, exactly.32200:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,030Oh, man, let's Brett is brandedASAP and make a million dollars.32300:21:06,540 --> 00:21:11,490Pretty much did that. So let'ssee. So, you know, I think I32400:21:11,490 --> 00:21:15,390need to switch. The Sovereignthinks the seats thing is is32500:21:15,390 --> 00:21:18,540going to work out fine. I thinkI should probably switch my32600:21:18,540 --> 00:21:21,690son's band thing. Oh, here's thehere's a question. And I'm just32700:21:21,690 --> 00:21:25,650throwing it out there. Since wehave the web hooks working? I32800:21:25,650 --> 00:21:29,850mean, is it crazy to say hey,you know, let's connect it to32900:21:29,850 --> 00:21:33,510people's Dropbox. I thinkthere's a way to do that.33000:21:35,370 --> 00:21:40,260Not a bad idea. Does Dropbox dotraffic? I'm pretty sure that33100:21:40,260 --> 00:21:43,860they have it in they have afacility and there's other. I33200:21:43,860 --> 00:21:47,610think there's other tools. I'veseen that upload something to33300:21:47,610 --> 00:21:50,700Dropbox. Maybe the chat roomknows, but I think I've seen33400:21:50,700 --> 00:21:55,200that, or any or any otherstorage. Would they bitch at you33500:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,610if you had like, I have no ideain 1000 downloads a day? I don't33600:21:59,610 --> 00:22:02,130know, if you have 10,000downloads a day, you might want33700:22:02,130 --> 00:22:07,080to go to a bigger host anyway.Sure. Maybe that way you get you33800:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,190get white glove service?33900:22:10,770 --> 00:22:13,140No, no, you actually get theopposite. The bigger the bigger34000:22:13,140 --> 00:22:15,840the podcast, you are the hostingcompanies begin to hate you34100:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,070more. It's costing us so muchmoney. True. That's true.34200:22:21,180 --> 00:22:25,140But I was thinking, you know,with torque with torque con was34300:22:25,140 --> 00:22:26,700my son's ban. Like,34400:22:27,810 --> 00:22:31,080I want to add the medium tag tothat. And so I should put it in34500:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,990sovereign sovereign states hasmedium tag, right?34600:22:35,670 --> 00:22:41,760I believe so. There's actually athread that was going on with34700:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,240Steven B. I think, sir Spencer,maybe someone else34800:22:46,260 --> 00:22:50,220about using the medium tag, youknow, obviously for it certainly34900:22:50,220 --> 00:22:54,480for initial initial purposes,you know, when you hit a feed35000:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,780that says music, then it shouldpresent a somewhat different35100:22:57,780 --> 00:23:00,960experience. A different way tolook at it. I've been thinking a35200:23:00,960 --> 00:23:07,200lot about music 2.0 Let me justmeet to let me let me just fuck35300:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,260it all up by coming up withanother brand that we can't35400:23:10,290 --> 00:23:14,040register a domain name for oranything like that. Okay, we'll35500:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,340just call it music. 2.0 Nobody'sever tried to use that before35600:23:17,340 --> 00:23:21,480has no, I think we all saw the35700:23:22,530 --> 00:23:26,760YouTube that was posted about itfrom Ted Joya35800:23:28,230 --> 00:23:32,160clips. Oh, good, good, good. Oh,wow, that's even better. Why35900:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320don't we get into that, and thenwe can talk about it. Because,36000:23:34,770 --> 00:23:38,070okay, and this comes kind of onthe heels of something else, you36100:23:38,070 --> 00:23:43,890know, there was a story thatescorts are using some hosts to36200:23:44,310 --> 00:23:47,580upload advertisements. And,36300:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,570and this is not unique to the,to this business, you know,36400:23:51,750 --> 00:23:54,660growing up in Amsterdam, butalso Internet in the early days36500:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,110crossover. Also, they were thenthis was what we what we call a36600:23:58,110 --> 00:24:00,600sex club, and the red lightdistrict would basically just36700:24:00,630 --> 00:24:03,870stage shows. I have a funnystory about that for another36800:24:03,870 --> 00:24:05,220time, maybe another podcast.36900:24:06,990 --> 00:24:09,450But I knew a lot of these guys,because they were just nerds who37000:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,210kind of slipped into thisbusiness. And it was the, you37100:24:12,210 --> 00:24:15,900know, the porn business was thefirst with live streaming. And37200:24:15,900 --> 00:24:18,060they were monetized. And theywere they were honest, still37300:24:18,060 --> 00:24:21,330your innovation comes fromusually Yeah, and a lot of it37400:24:21,330 --> 00:24:22,080did actually.37500:24:23,430 --> 00:24:24,090And37600:24:25,170 --> 00:24:29,550so I wasn't surprised to see,especially when Backpage had to37700:24:29,550 --> 00:24:36,030close this was the the change ofsection 230 which is which kind37800:24:36,030 --> 00:24:37,950of allows that kind of stuff.37900:24:39,030 --> 00:24:42,150Without any governmentintervention, they made a change38000:24:42,150 --> 00:24:46,530to it, which has been abused nowto for all kinds of takedowns38100:24:46,530 --> 00:24:50,160etc. But that's, that's hosta isthe name of that foster. Thank38200:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,780you. But that's kind of38300:24:54,810 --> 00:24:57,330Yeah, where was I going withthis?38400:24:58,860 --> 00:24:59,970You were helping music38500:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,710Music 2.0 Yeah, nobody by thereason I owe the escorts. So38600:25:04,710 --> 00:25:07,620that's cool. So I wasn'tsurprised that they would find a38700:25:07,620 --> 00:25:13,020way to, you know, spam a podcasthost. The only thing that is, is38800:25:13,020 --> 00:25:18,900baffling to me is that none ofthese are actual podcasts. They38900:25:18,900 --> 00:25:23,010care. So content. I know that Imean, did have like an empty mp339000:25:23,010 --> 00:25:26,130file, right? It's just, likesome static or something like39100:25:26,130 --> 00:25:28,890that. Yeah. I mean, is thereeven has to be an enclosure, I39200:25:28,890 --> 00:25:33,960presume? It's like, why it's atotally valid podcast, if you39300:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,740add some content to it. I mean,why would I? Why would it be39400:25:37,740 --> 00:25:42,180wrong for an escort within theboundaries of the law to, to39500:25:42,180 --> 00:25:45,960advertise in that manner? Isthat any different than the39600:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,800Ford? F 150? Lightning podcast?No, no, little did I know, what39700:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,470do you mean, it's different? Imean, like, from a technical39800:25:55,470 --> 00:25:58,230standpoint, and from aphilosophical standpoint, know39900:25:58,230 --> 00:26:02,070from the ethical standpoint.What it'll differ, what do you40000:26:02,070 --> 00:26:05,100mean, what what is the what isthe difference? I mean, taking40100:26:05,100 --> 00:26:09,570into account any, any locallaws, etc, maybe nudity40200:26:09,570 --> 00:26:12,570displaying on album art, whichmost of them are all obfuscated40300:26:12,570 --> 00:26:14,160by phone numbers anyway.40400:26:15,270 --> 00:26:20,340difference, the difference beingthat there when you when you40500:26:20,340 --> 00:26:24,750have an ad for a lot for an F150? Lightning? You're never you40600:26:24,750 --> 00:26:29,220never have to wonder if the ifthat particular f 150 has been,40700:26:29,370 --> 00:26:34,470like, exploited and being usedwould be against his will? Well,40800:26:34,470 --> 00:26:36,270hold on, hold on a second. Um,okay.40900:26:37,290 --> 00:26:40,590Wow, that's a big statement. AndI would I would, I mean, you can41000:26:40,590 --> 00:26:43,980we can delve into that. But I'mtalking not about an ad, I'm41100:26:43,980 --> 00:26:45,450talking about a podcast.41200:26:46,530 --> 00:26:50,640So instead of escorts uploadingan ad, was just album art with41300:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,480your phone number on it. Why notmake a podcast if you're serious41400:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,420about your clientele? Remember,I grew up in Amsterdam, so I41500:26:57,420 --> 00:27:00,600have a different view ofprostitution. Of course, there's41600:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,990all kinds of issues, but I'veseen how it can work quite well.41700:27:04,860 --> 00:27:09,480In regards to protection for forthe sex workers.41800:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,790And I think a yeah, you can say,well, of course, there's been no41900:27:14,790 --> 00:27:18,930abuse for the Ford F 150. Well,let's talk about some of the42000:27:18,930 --> 00:27:21,270suppliers and where the partscome from, and, you know,42100:27:21,270 --> 00:27:24,480children who are abused orUyghurs or whatever and we can42200:27:24,510 --> 00:27:28,020that's true. I don't thinkthat's a valid. Well, that's the42300:27:28,020 --> 00:27:32,670right path to go down. All I'msaying is, they came so close to42400:27:32,670 --> 00:27:36,600doing something incrediblyunique. Because you can you can,42500:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,080you can do an audio podcast andjust say, Oh, hey, look, you42600:27:40,080 --> 00:27:40,350know,42700:27:41,460 --> 00:27:44,700you're in San Antonio. I'm justsaying that just as a42800:27:44,700 --> 00:27:47,460coincidence, Steven B hasnothing to do with you. You're42900:27:47,460 --> 00:27:53,490in San Antonio. And, yeah, hey,hey, guys in San Antonio, you43000:27:53,490 --> 00:27:58,200know, I'm Raven. And yeah.Here's something about me. I43100:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,120love reading books, you know,whatever it is.43200:28:01,230 --> 00:28:04,560I'm just saying that would nothave I would have fought for43300:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,910that to stay. And I think thatthey should probably pay for43400:28:08,910 --> 00:28:13,320hosting for that. I mean, ifyou're providing a free tier43500:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,840then okay. You don't want thatas your free tier, because43600:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,400that's just you're not gettingthe value that the persons using43700:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,540it in that way that they'regetting out of it. But yeah, I43800:28:24,540 --> 00:28:28,230don't know. I'm just saying Ithink it's, I heard a lot of all43900:28:28,230 --> 00:28:31,380well, let's get rid of it had anorc killing it. We know. Okay,44000:28:31,410 --> 00:28:35,940totally. Because they're notpodcast. It's bogus. But what44100:28:35,940 --> 00:28:36,420if?44200:28:37,650 --> 00:28:40,560What if? Would everyone's do thesame thing? Would they pull the44300:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,380plug? Would they jump toconclusions? Would they make the44400:28:43,380 --> 00:28:44,580judgments about?44500:28:45,780 --> 00:28:49,260Yeah, I don't know. Just, well,I've got to get now I've got44600:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,480thoughts. And my thoughts arenot very different from yours.44700:28:51,690 --> 00:28:57,120The actually. So I mean, I havegotten some stuff written down44800:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,580here that I'd done earlier inthe week. And it's like,44900:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,890you know, the,45000:29:02,970 --> 00:29:07,080the question is how to figurethat out? Because that that's45100:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,090where the difference comes from.And that's what I'm talking45200:29:09,090 --> 00:29:13,860about when it comes to when itcomes to a podcast about the F45300:29:13,860 --> 00:29:19,920150. You don't? You never hadthere's not even a question. You45400:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,940don't even have to figure itout. When it comes to45500:29:25,470 --> 00:29:31,380a podcast or an escort service.You you have a moral45600:29:31,380 --> 00:29:35,040responsibility to try to figureit out. And I'm not even talking45700:29:35,070 --> 00:29:38,400I'm talking about beyond Faustain the in the back page bill.45800:29:38,700 --> 00:29:44,070Like you because when you seeme, there's probably some still45900:29:44,070 --> 00:29:46,410in here because I've been goingthrough and trying to try and46000:29:46,470 --> 00:29:48,540I've been doing this exactprocess46100:29:49,980 --> 00:29:51,060in like,46200:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,360let me just scroll down throughhere. Like here. Okay, here's46300:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,050the here's one.46400:29:57,060 --> 00:29:59,970Escort confessions. That one'sthat's on the46500:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360That's on podcast index. And Isee no reason to take it down.46600:30:03,720 --> 00:30:11,190Because it's a podcast about thesex worker industry. And it's so46700:30:11,190 --> 00:30:15,780you're, you're making a you'remaking a content judgment call46800:30:17,580 --> 00:30:20,490that have you listened to everyepisode? Are you sure that no46900:30:20,490 --> 00:30:23,370one has been abused? Who wasinterviewed, or I mean, I'm just47000:30:23,370 --> 00:30:23,910saying that?47100:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,730No, no, no, it's more surfaceythan that. No, it's more47200:30:29,730 --> 00:30:33,090surfacing that so like theyhere's one to 60 Escort guide,47300:30:33,090 --> 00:30:35,190we discuss everythingfascinating the world of paid47400:30:35,190 --> 00:30:37,530companionship, right. So you'regoing by descriptions.47500:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,850And so far, yeah, just just asa, as a cursory attempt to47600:30:44,850 --> 00:30:48,390comply with with local law,because we have to comply with47700:30:48,390 --> 00:30:49,080foster too.47800:30:50,310 --> 00:30:54,630And so the, as I'm going throughhere, didn't you see some that47900:30:54,630 --> 00:30:57,750are, then you'll hit onethat'll, and I can't find one48000:30:57,750 --> 00:31:01,710yet. But, oh, here's an here'sone diary of an escort. And my48100:31:01,710 --> 00:31:04,560name is so and so I'm an escorthere in San Francisco Bay, and48200:31:04,590 --> 00:31:09,660blah, blah, blah. Like, then heOkay, here's one escort service48300:31:09,660 --> 00:31:10,920in bunch Ara hills.48400:31:12,090 --> 00:31:16,290And he gets a phone number. Nowsee, then now you've gotten out48500:31:16,290 --> 00:31:21,690of the sort of realm of likedocument documentary and talking48600:31:21,690 --> 00:31:27,690about the content. And nowyou're talking about advertising48700:31:27,690 --> 00:31:28,770a service48800:31:29,850 --> 00:31:33,210with contact information, andthere doesn't seem to be48900:31:33,210 --> 00:31:37,230anything, any other point to it.And that's what I meant by, you49000:31:37,230 --> 00:31:41,040have to figure out thedifference between, okay, now,49100:31:41,070 --> 00:31:45,930now, we've now it's, it's, it'sthe thing that we are49200:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,490facilitating a contact, and thenis worth pasta, and all that49300:31:50,490 --> 00:31:54,630stuff comes in, then you like atsome point you feel like, well,49400:31:55,890 --> 00:31:58,140hold on a second, because I wantto understand what you49500:31:58,140 --> 00:31:59,520understand under Fausta.49600:32:00,630 --> 00:32:04,140So facilitating a contact thatthat's where you have to draw49700:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,920the line? That was myunderstanding is you if you49800:32:07,920 --> 00:32:15,450become like part of the chaininadvertently or on purpose?49900:32:16,650 --> 00:32:22,500You can't, you have to removethat content. Because Because50000:32:22,500 --> 00:32:27,060you cannot. Because you don'tknow whether or not at the end50100:32:27,060 --> 00:32:30,150of on the other end of thisthing. If there is sex50200:32:30,150 --> 00:32:34,170trafficking or exploitationthat's happening. And that some50300:32:34,170 --> 00:32:37,140of these look, they don't offerany sort of way to contact and50400:32:37,140 --> 00:32:41,430they just look like sort ofcontent about the person or the50500:32:41,430 --> 00:32:43,260escort. But service in general,50600:32:44,310 --> 00:32:50,610is advertising is the maybe wedon't have to go too deep into50700:32:50,610 --> 00:32:53,760this because I would have to youknow this, not just foster this.50800:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,610So there's a whole bunch ofother things that yeah, that we50900:32:56,610 --> 00:33:00,540need to look at. But is itillegal to advertise your51000:33:00,540 --> 00:33:02,220services as a sex worker?51100:33:03,540 --> 00:33:07,290That I don't know? See? I don't?I don't think so. And what I51200:33:07,290 --> 00:33:09,990would hope not. I hope not. I'llbe honest with you. I hope it's51300:33:09,990 --> 00:33:14,310not because I think some peoplelegitimately I don't think this51400:33:14,310 --> 00:33:15,750I know this. Some51500:33:17,490 --> 00:33:20,610men and women legitimately usethis to put food on the table.51600:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,090Yeah. And that's not myanalysis. No, that's not a place51700:33:24,090 --> 00:33:29,700for me to judge it. Well,anyway. I think it's, it's, it's51800:33:29,730 --> 00:33:34,230worth keeping in our mind thatwe that the, the podcast51900:33:34,230 --> 00:33:36,240industry in general should52000:33:37,380 --> 00:33:41,520just be careful what we jump toconclusions about. Because it's52100:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,730very, especially if we're doingit with AI and stuff, it's very52200:33:44,730 --> 00:33:47,160easy to delete something thatcould be a very sincere hey,52300:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,090here's what I do is I put foodon the table, you can contact52400:33:51,090 --> 00:33:55,260me, you know, maybe the emailaddress that's not on the album52500:33:55,260 --> 00:33:58,500RP. And I'm just saying there'sdifferent ways. And I think that52600:33:58,590 --> 00:34:03,630there's any different from alawyer who's talking about how52700:34:03,630 --> 00:34:06,540great they are and contact mehere. And here's, here's the52800:34:06,540 --> 00:34:12,660most recent case. I mean, ifit's not illegal, right, and52900:34:14,940 --> 00:34:18,780well, James on pod news, podland yesterday said who is53000:34:18,780 --> 00:34:23,550censorship to remove these? Yes?Well, no, no, not I think, if53100:34:23,550 --> 00:34:28,410it's a real if it's a podcast,and someone's doing a podcast53200:34:28,410 --> 00:34:32,100and has an actual enclosurewith, you know, the, what we53300:34:32,100 --> 00:34:34,830deemed to be a podcast couple ofepisodes, you know, whatever,53400:34:34,860 --> 00:34:38,730whatever that metric is at leastthree minutes, then I would not53500:34:38,730 --> 00:34:40,950be so hasty and quite honestly,53600:34:42,270 --> 00:34:44,970you know, very successful formatis53700:34:47,550 --> 00:34:49,230the only fans53800:34:50,460 --> 00:34:54,270and we're not far from creatingjust that. Or at least that53900:34:54,270 --> 00:34:56,700capability. No, seriously thatcapability.54000:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,970So right now the generalcapability Yeah,54100:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640As we're talking, yeah,especially with the payment54200:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,200mechanism built right in. Sothere's just such a fight like,54300:35:07,230 --> 00:35:10,770I hate to get back to that wasit? He was he was dependent the54400:35:10,770 --> 00:35:13,500gods, did you? I don't know howto define porn. But you know,54500:35:13,500 --> 00:35:18,420when you say, Oh, it was asenator. Yeah, I forget. I mean,54600:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,330I don't want to go there. Butit's, but it's pretty true. I54700:35:21,330 --> 00:35:25,110mean, like, would when you theone on the ad I'm looking at54800:35:25,110 --> 00:35:29,850right now, this advertised thisclear spam podcast, it's clear,54900:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,670I say clear. It's clear to me.55000:35:34,410 --> 00:35:38,910But the difference between theway this looks, and the way55100:35:38,910 --> 00:35:46,410another podcast looks, that maybe a particular sex worker, who55200:35:46,500 --> 00:35:52,470is talking about what they do.And then also advertises their55300:35:52,470 --> 00:35:55,920services as part of this thing?Yeah, let's just let's just say55400:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,390it's Las Vegas, where it'slegal.55500:35:58,710 --> 00:36:02,280Perhaps, you know, I'm not gonnatake that down. But I am gonna55600:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,350take this down. Because I55700:36:05,550 --> 00:36:09,270totally understand that this isspam. All I'm saying is the55800:36:09,270 --> 00:36:12,150industry in general, if the ifthat not our industry, if the55900:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,450sex worker industry is serious,they wouldn't be such idiots56000:36:15,450 --> 00:36:18,630about this, because now they nowthey have everybody going, Oh,56100:36:18,630 --> 00:36:21,960you're spamming your, youryou're polluting the system.56200:36:22,110 --> 00:36:26,190Whereas if you thought for twoseconds, about the power that56300:36:26,250 --> 00:36:30,450open podcasts ecosystemprovides, I think there's a way56400:36:30,450 --> 00:36:34,200to make, you know, for yourindustry, it could be very56500:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,810successful in multiple ways. Sothat's all really I just, that's56600:36:39,810 --> 00:36:44,940just a podcasting 2.0 tip on howto do so now. So now on the same56700:36:44,940 --> 00:36:50,730tip, the the main thoughts I'vehad about music 2.0 Is the56800:36:50,730 --> 00:36:53,790legality of it. And not the I'mnot I don't mean,56900:36:54,930 --> 00:37:00,450the legality means that I'm justlooking at it from podcast57000:37:00,450 --> 00:37:04,050index. LLCs perspective. Okay.57100:37:06,270 --> 00:37:11,220The last thing we need is WarnerBrother, Warner Brothers going,57200:37:11,550 --> 00:37:16,590Oh, that song. Yeah. Okay. It's,it's that person owns it has,57300:37:17,100 --> 00:37:21,000you know, has, has notregistered with a performing57400:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,330rights organization. So they cankind of do what they want with57500:37:24,330 --> 00:37:27,990it distributed the way theywant. But we're pretty sure that57600:37:27,990 --> 00:37:32,130there's a link in there from,from a song that we had that we57700:37:32,130 --> 00:37:35,910own. And so we're going to,we're going to issue takedown57800:37:35,910 --> 00:37:39,090requests, we're probably goingto sue you, we might sue podcast57900:37:39,090 --> 00:37:43,260index, we might sue the apps.This is the one thing that I'm58000:37:43,260 --> 00:37:45,840worried about, not because wedon't have the complete right58100:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,620and way to do it. But peoplewill put up licensed music,58200:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,610someone will put up prints intotheir feed, and and they're58300:37:53,610 --> 00:37:57,570going to start collecting statsfor it. So how do we get around58400:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,750all of that? That's my biggestfear.58500:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,400We need lawyers 2.0.58600:38:07,980 --> 00:38:11,760I mean, that's kind of thetongue in cheek. But um, I mean,58700:38:12,690 --> 00:38:18,000seriously, we need legal advice,right? Because I don't want that58800:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,050either. No, I want nothing to doNo, no. And that's. So the58900:38:22,050 --> 00:38:23,010problem is59000:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,880not that we are even consideringanything illegal. The problem is59100:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,530the music industry will not godown without a fight, they will59200:38:34,530 --> 00:38:39,000see anything that is analternative system as a problem59300:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,910that may need to be eliminated,eliminated once we get big59400:38:41,910 --> 00:38:45,270enough. And maybe we can flyunder the radar for a long time.59500:38:45,540 --> 00:38:47,910It may not be a problem at all.There's there's lots of59600:38:48,390 --> 00:38:51,750alternative music, sites andcommunities.59700:38:53,220 --> 00:38:58,380But when you're when we areindexing things, when we are59800:38:58,740 --> 00:39:04,500maintaining value blockinformation, right? You know,59900:39:04,530 --> 00:39:08,070this. I also don't want to haveto go through discovery three60000:39:08,070 --> 00:39:11,640times a week. Like all right,yeah. So where did this payment60100:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,120went? You know, so it's justthat the music industry are60200:39:15,210 --> 00:39:18,090dicks. So you're,60300:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,410you're saying that they're gonnaplay dirty. I'm saying it's a60400:39:22,410 --> 00:39:25,620possibility. And I want to, Iwant to protect everybody from60500:39:25,620 --> 00:39:28,740that, you know, I really stoppeddoing the daily source code,60600:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,730because I was playing licensedmusic, without without being60700:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,990without even being able to paythe owners of it. And I didn't60800:39:36,990 --> 00:39:39,210want to be made an example ofbecause that's common.60900:39:41,730 --> 00:39:44,130And this is, you know, andthere's so many different laws61000:39:44,130 --> 00:39:49,500that come into play here. So,music online, there's statutory61100:39:49,530 --> 00:39:54,780rates for streaming theirstatutory rates for the type of61200:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080streaming that Spotify does,which is different from a live61300:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,970streaming playlist. At61400:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,580The podcasts are downloaded. Sonow that's what's called a61500:40:02,580 --> 00:40:06,630mechanical right or sync,mechanical, right? There's61600:40:06,660 --> 00:40:09,960Performing Rights, which wouldbe kind of analogous to radio or61700:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,290playing it in the club or in arestaurant, you know, which one61800:40:13,290 --> 00:40:16,860really applies. The reason whywe can't put together music61900:40:16,860 --> 00:40:20,970shows as podcast is for all ofthese problems. So when people62000:40:20,970 --> 00:40:24,660start putting full songs up, youbetter believe that there's62100:40:24,660 --> 00:40:27,720going to be some scrutiny atsome point. So if,62200:40:29,070 --> 00:40:29,880if that's,62300:40:31,740 --> 00:40:33,810I can imagine some technical62400:40:35,190 --> 00:40:36,180ways to62500:40:37,740 --> 00:40:40,650live limit that, okay, at least.62600:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,810Well, I mean, at least from afrom the standpoint of, like62700:40:45,810 --> 00:40:51,450putting some human eyeballs onit. One way is it the real62800:40:51,450 --> 00:40:55,050problem is with the adding thevalue block and all that kind of62900:40:55,050 --> 00:40:57,630thing, that's, that's whenpeople start to get get itchy.63000:40:59,070 --> 00:41:02,490And so I could see, already geta notification every time63100:41:02,490 --> 00:41:06,570somebody adds a value block totheir feed. So I could see just63200:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,640putting in like an extra layerof this draws attention to new63300:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,690podcasts that go in to oursystem, where there's a value63400:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,860blog for a medium for a music,medium podcast, something like63500:41:19,860 --> 00:41:21,870that, just just to take a lookat it.63600:41:23,100 --> 00:41:25,710And when maybe we get outside,your crowdsource, that already63700:41:25,710 --> 00:41:30,780knew when it goes in, gets getslike goes on a public feed where63800:41:30,780 --> 00:41:34,290people can, can look at them andsay, you know, hey, this is just63900:41:34,290 --> 00:41:36,750this, this is just ripped offmusic, you know, this needs to64000:41:36,750 --> 00:41:42,150be dealt with. Right, but justlike identifying what's porn and64100:41:42,150 --> 00:41:46,950what's advertising, identifyingsome stolen lick and a song that64200:41:46,950 --> 00:41:49,410song right holder is going tocome after it's not something64300:41:49,410 --> 00:41:54,600that you and I can do. Oranybody can can do easily that64400:41:54,660 --> 00:41:57,930these things will be done afterthe fact. And unfortunately, the64500:41:57,930 --> 00:42:03,120only real way to make sure thatat least we have a system to get64600:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,930around this is when someone andmaybe this happens through the64700:42:06,930 --> 00:42:11,160apps, or through through hostingcompanies. I find the the64800:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,070onboarding of podcasters throughfountain I find that64900:42:14,310 --> 00:42:18,240fascinating. You know, I likethat shit. I like it when you65000:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,150know, it's like Microsoft Word.Oh my god, I'm writing in Word65100:42:21,150 --> 00:42:24,030and I'm reading in Word. It'sthe same app. Yeah, he loved65200:42:24,150 --> 00:42:28,290we'd probably need to havepeople who want to take65300:42:28,290 --> 00:42:32,370advantage of this. Give us someform of light KYC?65400:42:35,610 --> 00:42:39,150Yeah, for the for the producers,I think you're gonna have to65500:42:39,150 --> 00:42:39,660have it.65600:42:41,190 --> 00:42:42,270Because people have65700:42:43,530 --> 00:42:46,200to deal dealing with licensedwork. You know, it's it's,65800:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,580I mean, we don't have to, I'mjust saying that's the best65900:42:50,580 --> 00:42:54,330protection. You know, me I'mfull steam ahead balls to the66000:42:54,330 --> 00:42:56,790wall is rock and roll have beencalling for this for a long66100:42:56,790 --> 00:42:57,240time.66200:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,200Well, so the other option is doit through66300:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,790partner with partner with otherpeople who have the same desire,66400:43:09,210 --> 00:43:12,360who already have already havingCES. So I can like something66500:43:13,050 --> 00:43:16,800like Bandcamp yes, there's agood idea or CD Baby, or what66600:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,740are those? What are thosecompanies that distribute your66700:43:19,740 --> 00:43:20,280stuff?66800:43:22,140 --> 00:43:24,960Yeah, no, it's not. Yeah, Iknow, you're talking about?66900:43:25,140 --> 00:43:29,400Yeah, if we get if we just getthose people involved, you know,67000:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,680we, we can facilitate the NSAway. I mean, the podcasting 2.067100:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,930project already knows sort ofwhat we're after. And we know67200:43:39,930 --> 00:43:45,000how, you know, we want thesethings to look. And then we can67300:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,260just go to, you know, peoplelike, I'm just gonna use67400:43:49,260 --> 00:43:52,500Bandcamp all the time as abecause I'm telling you tell me67500:43:52,500 --> 00:43:56,010what Bandcamp does. And they'relike, I mean, they're the indie67600:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,700indie release thing. So you, ifyou're an independent music67700:43:59,700 --> 00:44:03,090artists, you can put your stuffup on Bandcamp. And you, you67800:44:03,090 --> 00:44:05,760just sell it that way. Allright, so let's, let's approach67900:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,330Bandcamp somebody here knowsBandcamp. Let's approach them.68000:44:10,530 --> 00:44:13,530Let's make them an onboardingpartner. So68100:44:14,670 --> 00:44:18,120in a funny way, it's kind oflike Buzzsprout, integrating68200:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,710YouTube or Facebook.68300:44:20,820 --> 00:44:24,420But, you know, have themintegrate. So they do onboarding68400:44:24,420 --> 00:44:28,170through their system and givethem give them an automatic68500:44:28,170 --> 00:44:29,370split like the index.68600:44:30,570 --> 00:44:32,850Yeah, I mean, that's good. Tome. That seems like a good way68700:44:32,850 --> 00:44:37,470to do it because you have thebig negative. Yeah, and then you68800:44:37,470 --> 00:44:40,080get they get the fate they justcreate a feed also an automat68900:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,870auto submit, they create the XMLand just auto submitted to the69000:44:42,870 --> 00:44:47,430index. I can love that. With avalue block and everything.69100:44:47,910 --> 00:44:51,780That's okay. I see that the chatroom was flipping out. Alright69200:44:51,780 --> 00:44:54,000guys, you know what to do?Because Dave and Adam don't know69300:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,240how to do this, um, don't knowhow to reach out. Yeah, I'm69400:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,970happy to do a phone call withanybody if you guys someone can69500:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,570To set it up, that's the way todo it. Ah, okay. Well, Meeting69600:45:03,570 --> 00:45:05,040adjourned. That was a good boardmeeting everybody.69700:45:06,930 --> 00:45:10,560Yeah, I think that in you knowthat another global problem.69800:45:10,830 --> 00:45:12,630Yes. Ukraine's next69900:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,759we, you know, we that videoyou're talking about how to lie.70000:45:18,179 --> 00:45:21,059There was it was it was one ofthose where I kept waffling back70100:45:21,059 --> 00:45:24,089and forth between, between Yes,I agree. Totally agree with70200:45:24,089 --> 00:45:28,979that. And, well, at the end, itkind of fell apart for me, but a70300:45:28,979 --> 00:45:33,989lot of what they said in, in inbetween. I was like, yeah, yeah,70400:45:33,989 --> 00:45:37,799you guys see you guys see itthat just a little? They can't70500:45:37,799 --> 00:45:39,929imagine? Well, I don't want Idon't want to blow your clips70600:45:39,929 --> 00:45:44,429here. So take me take us throughit. And oh, no, it's you're not70700:45:44,429 --> 00:45:45,089gonna learn anything.70800:45:46,170 --> 00:45:49,440I just wanted to draw a coupleof things. Because I've been70900:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,680thinking a lot about this. Imean, we thought about music.71000:45:53,220 --> 00:45:54,630People know anyway, but then71100:45:55,980 --> 00:46:01,680one sort of line of thinkingthey went down that got me sort71200:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,990of realizing what the realbenefit is of podcasting, as71300:46:06,990 --> 00:46:09,600music, or maybe music aspodcasting.71400:46:12,420 --> 00:46:15,870Play clip, the feature of musicclip for71500:46:16,890 --> 00:46:17,370almost71600:46:18,420 --> 00:46:24,870my word, my stats just blew up.Just the showcase. Alma, I think71700:46:24,900 --> 00:46:28,260four is the right one, becauseI've kind of lost track of what71800:46:28,770 --> 00:46:33,870what all I clipped But and ifI'm if I'm not mistaken, so they71900:46:33,870 --> 00:46:36,480go off on this little thingabout72000:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,120whether or not the currentgenerations have a love of72100:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,220music. And72200:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,230if they don't, like, Why, whatdid that? What was the reason72300:46:49,230 --> 00:46:54,120behind? Whether behind what thecurrent music culture is, and72400:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,690they give lots and lots ofanecdotes and that kind of72500:46:57,690 --> 00:47:01,830thing? But I think clip four isit. People don't love music as72600:47:01,830 --> 00:47:04,380much as they used to. I know,that seems like an extraordinary72700:47:04,380 --> 00:47:08,040generalization about that aboutGen Z ers Don't you know, I've72800:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,930died. This is just my own. Youknow, from talking to kids. I72900:47:12,930 --> 00:47:15,390talked to kids all the time, Ihave young kids, I talked to73000:47:15,390 --> 00:47:19,140their friends, and they're justnot engaged in music. Okay,73100:47:19,140 --> 00:47:22,080Boomer, and multi part of it.73200:47:23,550 --> 00:47:27,480I think and sting said this tothe fact that you can just turn73300:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,990on a water faucet, you can getaccess to anything and through73400:47:30,990 --> 00:47:34,770streaming, whereas before youused to buy albums and cherish73500:47:34,770 --> 00:47:38,820them and own them. Absolutely.And there's something to that,73600:47:38,820 --> 00:47:41,670right. And I don't, and I'm notgoing to I'm not going to be the73700:47:41,670 --> 00:47:47,040old man yelling at the clouds orget off my lawn. I don't blame73800:47:48,150 --> 00:47:53,730these people, because I think wehave not served them well. And73900:47:53,730 --> 00:47:57,030we have not given them a musicculture that can engage them to74000:47:57,030 --> 00:47:59,520the extent that they're capableof being engaged. And this goes74100:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,660back to my fundamental beliefthat people want to have mind74200:48:03,660 --> 00:48:06,720expanding experiences, and theywant these transformative74300:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,740experiences from music. And Ibelieve that the power brokers74400:48:10,740 --> 00:48:12,150in the music business74500:48:13,170 --> 00:48:16,200are letting them down. They'repreventing, preventing, by the74600:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,380things that they're that theyare pushing, essentially. So I'm74700:48:19,380 --> 00:48:23,070not blaming, I'm not blaming theyoung uns No, I think there's74800:48:23,070 --> 00:48:25,620way there. I mean, to me,they're not engaged because the74900:48:25,620 --> 00:48:29,670things that they're hearing arenot engaging. Absolutely. Our75000:48:29,670 --> 00:48:32,910generation is as much to blame,if not more so than this and or75100:48:32,910 --> 00:48:35,220maybe the people of middleyounger than us, I don't know.75200:48:35,220 --> 00:48:38,100But still, it's the decisionmakers that are creating the75300:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,060musical culture.75400:48:40,530 --> 00:48:45,120Yeah, I don't care about blamingcertain generations on the kind75500:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,240of stuff that's irrelevant, butI think they hit on the, the hit75600:48:48,240 --> 00:48:54,300on the like, the tighter pointat the end, like my kids. And75700:48:54,300 --> 00:48:57,720maybe I'm an anomaly but I don'tthink I am my kids love music.75800:48:58,410 --> 00:49:03,300They love they love it to death.My both both my kids are in are75900:49:03,300 --> 00:49:07,560in bands. My youngest, both myolder kids, my youngest76000:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,580daughter, my third, she's adrummer.76100:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,690She's, she's probably gonna bein a band, you know, as soon as76200:49:15,690 --> 00:49:22,380she can. My oldest daughter sheis she takes she has taken a76300:49:22,380 --> 00:49:23,400second job76400:49:24,450 --> 00:49:29,790at a local brewery that doeslive music, pretty, pretty76500:49:29,940 --> 00:49:32,400decent size acts like they hadSmashing Pumpkins a couple of76600:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,530weeks ago. And she took that jobas a second job just so that she76700:49:37,530 --> 00:49:39,270could get free access to see allthe shows.76800:49:40,290 --> 00:49:44,130And which was a great idea butshe like they love music to76900:49:44,130 --> 00:49:47,070death and I think they what theyhit on the at the end is right.77000:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,530It's not that this generationdoesn't love music. It's that77100:49:52,650 --> 00:49:56,820they don't love this music. Theydon't love the music they're77200:49:56,820 --> 00:49:59,970getting now because that'sthat's just a choice.77300:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,290If imitation of the real thing,so to speak so much like you,77400:50:04,470 --> 00:50:06,870they, it's not that they don'tlove it, it's they love it too77500:50:06,870 --> 00:50:12,300much. You can't, you can't notlove music, it's it's deep in77600:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,080the soul of man. The issue isthat they love it too much to77700:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,550settle for things that that arejust imitations or, you know,77800:50:20,550 --> 00:50:25,350knock offs. To me. Well, well,there's a, I mean, it's not77900:50:25,350 --> 00:50:29,160dissimilar to podcasting in away where this this entire78000:50:30,180 --> 00:50:35,520group of decision makers andmoney and big budgets, who78100:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,370probably get the majority of theadvertising the brand78200:50:38,370 --> 00:50:41,190advertising and yeah, what's theusual suspects? You know,78300:50:41,190 --> 00:50:44,760there's a little bit of Spotifyin there, but I think Sirius XM78400:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,630I heart78500:50:46,650 --> 00:50:50,820wondery, you know, these kindsof outfits, where, you know,78600:50:50,820 --> 00:50:54,060decision makers are making stuffand a lot of it is extremely78700:50:54,060 --> 00:50:59,940good. But as always, and I goback to my AOL example, when you78800:50:59,940 --> 00:51:02,520have when you have kind of, oh,here's the groovy garden. And78900:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,920here's all the all the stuffpeople say, Well, can I go look79000:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,020at the swamp? Can I go on theinternet? Can I get a web79100:51:07,020 --> 00:51:10,140browser? And then, you know,they got the web browser, and79200:51:10,140 --> 00:51:13,620then AOL became a dial upcompany, because people just79300:51:13,650 --> 00:51:16,860love. That's what that's whypodcasting successful. It was79400:51:16,860 --> 00:51:20,220initially that we don't need nostinking transmitters, we don't79500:51:20,220 --> 00:51:23,340need the big booming, powerfulvoice. We don't need the big79600:51:23,340 --> 00:51:26,910studios, we just need to have away to record and distribute,79700:51:27,180 --> 00:51:29,910then the shittiest soundingshows are some of the most79800:51:29,910 --> 00:51:33,660popular, the people who havekind of No, no, no audio79900:51:33,660 --> 00:51:36,570presence and a voice or stickcan still be very popular.80000:51:38,340 --> 00:51:42,000Now what is popular is theessence to me of podcasting.80100:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,7802.0.80200:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,580We're, we're popular in ourgroup with what we do, we're80300:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,640kind of the only people who aredoing what we do. And we're80400:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,720supported by the people who areinterested in hanging around. No80500:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,180agenda has its own group,there's crossover, but it's80600:51:57,180 --> 00:51:58,950certainly not the same thing.80700:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,740Music can survive very well. Butthese guys, they still kind of80800:52:04,740 --> 00:52:08,100caught up in the old system.Because who ultimately has the80900:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,100power, of course, it's thecontent creators. But what81000:52:11,100 --> 00:52:16,470they've not had is an easy wayto see immediate results. With81100:52:16,470 --> 00:52:20,340people valuing their work. It'sstill stats, you know, this is81200:52:20,340 --> 00:52:23,340where we are with podcasting.We're still on 1.0 land, well, I81300:52:23,340 --> 00:52:26,790got some stats, I got 4000 hereand 5000. Here, my show is81400:52:26,790 --> 00:52:30,480growing, you know, whatever thatmeans. That what you want is you81500:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,200want the interaction you want.Of course you want some of the81600:52:34,290 --> 00:52:36,750staples, which is what they'rekind of hung up on physical81700:52:36,750 --> 00:52:39,450product, because I watched thewhole interview, like, well, you81800:52:39,450 --> 00:52:41,640know, since we don't have thephysical product, you still need81900:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,700to sell I'm like super vinylthat's registered on the82000:52:44,700 --> 00:52:48,990blockchain, like, Okay, once youguys go home, that was done.82100:52:49,020 --> 00:52:50,430Yes, same. But the,82200:52:51,660 --> 00:52:55,590and I've done it, and you'veseen it yourself, I just want to82300:52:55,590 --> 00:52:58,170take you back to when we firststarted with our first value82400:52:58,170 --> 00:53:02,400block, without splits oranything. And we immediately saw82500:53:02,580 --> 00:53:06,600Satoshis rolling in, weimmediately saw that I mean, my82600:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,200friends, you know, who are inthe finance business, they were82700:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,830flipping out. Like, this isamazing. I can't believe this is82800:53:13,830 --> 00:53:16,740actually happening micropayments, and it's in real time82900:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,010and it's happening. And we'retaking this shit for granted the83000:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,930the joy outside of the just thefact that it's working, which is83100:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,340unprecedented. The joy of seeingnow that we have the tools of83200:53:29,340 --> 00:53:35,220seeing this little bits and bobsof value coming in, is something83300:53:35,220 --> 00:53:38,850that musicians crave deep intheir souls, that's what you83400:53:38,850 --> 00:53:42,360want you even if it's fivepeople who show up to the gig,83500:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,270and you know, Hey, man, I lovethat, you know, and two of them83600:53:45,270 --> 00:53:48,270are the girlfriends of thedrummer, the bass player, it83700:53:48,270 --> 00:53:53,220doesn't matter. That's That'swhere 2.0 is going to be so83800:53:53,220 --> 00:53:54,450exciting. And83900:53:55,710 --> 00:53:59,010take into account all of thefeatures that we have. Hello84000:53:59,010 --> 00:54:01,980Bandcamp I hope you'relistening. Take all the features84100:54:01,980 --> 00:54:06,090into account of chapters andlinks. I mean, you can you can84200:54:06,150 --> 00:54:07,680literally have a link to yourmerch84300:54:09,690 --> 00:54:14,640for a certain song or thecredits, liner notes, another84400:54:14,670 --> 00:54:18,690you know forgotten thing. Lyricsturns into no transcript can be84500:54:18,690 --> 00:54:23,850used for lyrics. It's perfect tocreate a full product that84600:54:23,850 --> 00:54:27,960people will happily stream setsfor. Well credits to the person84700:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,680tag for you know, the producers.Yes, the sound engineer and84800:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,780yeah, all of this stuff. Nowit's the medium of podcast is84900:54:36,780 --> 00:54:40,740perfect is not only perfect on a10. To me, it's not only perfect85000:54:40,740 --> 00:54:44,430on a technical from a technicalstandpoint, I just had an idea85100:54:44,430 --> 00:54:47,520to just another. You couldliterally hit me you could85200:54:47,520 --> 00:54:53,010literally do a sub stack of youralbum. Yeah. Oh yeah, he totally85300:54:53,010 --> 00:54:56,970could. And that turned that'sthe the output an RSS feed. And85400:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,970then kind of the responsibilityof that85500:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,810Shit is a little more onsubstack than anybody else.85600:55:04,170 --> 00:55:09,570Well, every blog post is is atrack or something like that,85700:55:09,690 --> 00:55:14,490you know? Or may, like, yeah,you could do they really need,85800:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,010what they really need to do isadopt the medium tag, and then85900:55:17,340 --> 00:55:20,850that's it. That's it, we canchange the music business86000:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,600overnight.86100:55:22,950 --> 00:55:31,200That will, the, the, the partabout physical sales, I think,86200:55:31,740 --> 00:55:36,060um, that resonates with me,because the, the physical part86300:55:36,090 --> 00:55:40,170of it again, it resonates mebecause I look at my own kids.86400:55:40,230 --> 00:55:43,440And I look at my own kids, and Ilook at just some raw human86500:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,910behavior. So86600:55:46,050 --> 00:55:49,170for one weird anecdote is86700:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,890well, I don't want to say this.86800:55:55,140 --> 00:55:58,770One thing that's been strippedof the of the world sort of bit86900:55:58,770 --> 00:56:04,710by bit, and it just continues toget worse, is the stripping away87000:56:04,710 --> 00:56:09,000of ceremony. Like, there's no,there's no liturgy that's87100:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,180attached to the modern worldanymore.87200:56:14,310 --> 00:56:17,550You going deep with me heretoday? But let's, let's explore87300:56:17,550 --> 00:56:18,660these thoughts you're having,87400:56:19,890 --> 00:56:22,950um, can I invite you to mymoment, please, I'd like to87500:56:22,950 --> 00:56:27,690thank you in advance for thismoment. And the liturgy. And87600:56:27,690 --> 00:56:30,660this is a problem within if youwant to, if you want to explore87700:56:30,660 --> 00:56:33,030this topic in the in theChristian world.87800:56:35,100 --> 00:56:36,300Look, Read.87900:56:37,710 --> 00:56:42,360Read Charles Taylor, he's got alot, he's done a lot of work on88000:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,170this about the stripping away ofsort of high church and liturgy,88100:56:46,530 --> 00:56:52,320from religion and spirituality.What you're left with is, is a88200:56:52,530 --> 00:56:56,850religion that doesn't serve itsmost basic purpose. It doesn't88300:56:56,850 --> 00:56:57,660fulfill88400:56:58,950 --> 00:57:04,020the roles that it purports to,in and I think that's, there's a88500:57:04,020 --> 00:57:08,280product that I think is it canbe applied, much broader than88600:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,570just religion. I think music isalso another victim of that.88700:57:12,900 --> 00:57:15,510There used to be they talk a lotabout the ceremony or the you88800:57:15,510 --> 00:57:17,850know, the the experience ofgoing to the music store and88900:57:17,850 --> 00:57:22,170buying an album. Yes, yep. Yes,that was a very meaningful89000:57:22,170 --> 00:57:27,870thing. And what I see nowhappening is, the younger89100:57:27,870 --> 00:57:32,490generation is the return ofvinyl and CDs, and even freaking89200:57:32,490 --> 00:57:33,420cassette tapes.89300:57:34,650 --> 00:57:41,220That I think is a crying out forattaching a ceremony, or a89400:57:41,220 --> 00:57:46,710meaningful action to the act ofa thing that they love. They89500:57:46,710 --> 00:57:51,060love music, but it's not justenough to have the music they89600:57:51,060 --> 00:57:55,740want. They want an ability. Ithink we as humans, we want some89700:57:55,740 --> 00:58:00,090sort of, I just keep using theword ceremony. And here's a89800:58:00,090 --> 00:58:03,150here's a weird example of that.Have you seen the booster gram89900:58:03,180 --> 00:58:03,870confetti?90000:58:04,890 --> 00:58:09,450Yes, that ceremony. Yes, that'stotal ceremony. And we have it90100:58:09,450 --> 00:58:13,380in podcasts and 2.0. And we needsomething similar. I mean,90200:58:13,380 --> 00:58:15,540that's just one of the manythings I'm totally I'm totally90300:58:15,540 --> 00:58:21,570with you on this. If you put ina in a refrigerator, if you put90400:58:21,570 --> 00:58:27,390in a bunch of drinks, and thensome of them90500:58:28,530 --> 00:58:31,470if you put a bunch of cokes inthere. And then a few of them90600:58:31,470 --> 00:58:34,500are a bottle with a cap that youhave to pop with a thing.90700:58:35,880 --> 00:58:41,280Pop with a bottle opener. Z mostpeople especially young people90800:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,110will go for those first.90900:58:44,550 --> 00:58:47,640Because they want there's thisexperience of you gotta get the91000:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,230bottle, you'll find a bottleopener, pop, pop the top there's91100:58:52,230 --> 00:58:56,310like this, this thing inside ofyou that's like you your weight.91200:58:56,670 --> 00:58:58,980You have to go through theexperience and go through the91300:58:58,980 --> 00:59:04,770ceremony to to then be able toget the content. Now I need to91400:59:04,770 --> 00:59:09,270give you an analogue to this.Okay, Tina and I my wife we91500:59:09,270 --> 00:59:13,590started a podcast Korean thekeeper and it was really just a91600:59:13,590 --> 00:59:17,310fun way for us to chat. Ithought she would be good and91700:59:17,310 --> 00:59:21,090she's have created a pod monsterApparently, she just changed her91800:59:21,090 --> 00:59:23,790LinkedIn. She added podcastprofessional91900:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,580and but we launched it only withthe index so no submission to92000:59:32,580 --> 00:59:38,580any service. no ads, no Pay Palonly only boosts and booster92100:59:38,580 --> 00:59:43,710grabs. And what you justdescribed is exactly what is92200:59:43,710 --> 00:59:47,280happening to people who aresaying oh, we really want to92300:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,120donate but I don't understandhow this works. It's where do I92400:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,210get the Bitcoin? How do I getyou know, how do I get it to92500:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,970lightning? Why Why can't I buybitcoin with my credit card?92601:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,210Seeing my debit card what with acredit card is never works,92701:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,470debit. So all of these differenthoops, and then when they do it,92801:00:08,220 --> 01:00:14,520and they succeed. Oh my god, bigtime liturgy on the show. Yeah.92901:00:14,730 --> 01:00:18,480Because they went through awhole thing to do this to93001:00:18,570 --> 01:00:22,260support. And now there's aconstant that is anchored in93101:00:22,260 --> 01:00:25,320their mind is a constantreminder of this happy moment93201:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,170when it's exceeded every singletime they hit the boost button.93301:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,880That's a cool, yeah, that is agood analogy. The Nathan, Nathan93401:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,640Gaither, I went through that theother day, he sort of on boarded93501:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,820himself into the lightningecosystem. He's you know, he's93601:00:38,820 --> 01:00:41,400the developer of pod dot link.And I think he's at Spotify now.93701:00:41,670 --> 01:00:42,480But he went through,93801:00:43,590 --> 01:00:48,600went through the process of thatand and then wrote it up into a93901:00:48,660 --> 01:00:50,970into a nice little blog. Oh,yes, I put that in the show94001:00:50,970 --> 01:00:54,480notes. Exactly. It's, what doyou call it? A listeners guide94101:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,140to booster grams? Yeah, yeah.No, I love that. I've retweeted94201:00:58,140 --> 01:01:01,530the heck out of that.Absolutely. So, yeah, there's94301:01:01,560 --> 01:01:06,600there's that whole is like if,and that's what we can. So94401:01:06,630 --> 01:01:10,170podcasting is perfectly suitedto sort of move into that not94501:01:10,380 --> 01:01:13,590not necessarily the physicalbecause I don't think I don't94601:01:13,590 --> 01:01:16,890think it's just about thephysical nature of it. I do94701:01:16,890 --> 01:01:19,380think people like it, and Ithink it helps.94801:01:21,180 --> 01:01:24,990Just because of the way humanswork, but, but I don't, but I94901:01:24,990 --> 01:01:31,170think it can also be done withinthe realms of, you know, of the95001:01:31,170 --> 01:01:35,160digital world. Because what'sreally going on there, I think,95101:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,030is limits.95201:01:38,730 --> 01:01:39,270When95301:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,660I don't think humans operatevery well, when there's no95401:01:42,660 --> 01:01:47,340limits. I think it's confusing.I don't think the world makes95501:01:47,340 --> 01:01:52,020much sense. Because we I thinkwe expect limits and when95601:01:52,020 --> 01:01:56,850there's not any think I think wekind of glitch out a little bit95701:01:56,850 --> 01:02:01,170and when you realize the natureof podcasting is people are used95801:02:01,170 --> 01:02:04,830to like you're waiting for thenext episode to drop in. It's,95901:02:05,070 --> 01:02:08,880it's a, it's something that'sbuilt into podcasting is96001:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,400waiting, and then you youexperience the episode, and then96101:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,150it ends.96201:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,700And then you start the processof waiting again, it's a it is a96301:02:20,700 --> 01:02:24,480very ceremonial experience. Yousee the new episode pop up on96401:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,570your on your phone, and you getexcited. This is this is a96501:02:27,570 --> 01:02:30,630podcast that I love and oh,there's a new one. Yeah, and I96601:02:30,630 --> 01:02:31,950think the the,96701:02:33,330 --> 01:02:36,060like, me and my son went to96801:02:37,740 --> 01:02:41,340went to the Black Label societyconcert they played here in96901:02:41,340 --> 01:02:46,440Birmingham, and, you know, blacklabels, don't Zakk Wylde. Oh, I97001:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,850know. I know, Zach. Sure. Yeah.Is that his band in so they've,97101:02:51,150 --> 01:02:54,990they came to came to Birmingham,and played here at art city. And97201:02:54,990 --> 01:02:57,870it was awesome. I hadn't been toa metal concert in about four97301:02:57,870 --> 01:03:02,760years. And he's a big fan. SoI'm on so we went there. By the97401:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,150by the way, being in awheelchair. That's the best way97501:03:06,150 --> 01:03:08,850to get it. Right to the front,baby.97601:03:09,990 --> 01:03:13,080How was our cripple doing? How'she doing? Yeah, he's doing good.97701:03:13,080 --> 01:03:18,510He got off the walker for thefirst time Tuesday. So he is on97801:03:18,540 --> 01:03:22,140his own two legs to one wobblyleg but but he's on his own.97901:03:22,170 --> 01:03:24,900He's on his own two legs. Weshould probably say that.98001:03:24,930 --> 01:03:27,750Obviously. being bound to awheelchair kind of sucks. If98101:03:27,750 --> 01:03:32,070it's if it's forever. Yes, itdoes for sure. Just trying to be98201:03:32,070 --> 01:03:35,670woke about that for a moment.Thank you. Yes. I was being very98301:03:35,670 --> 01:03:40,980able. A very a very a most ofyou sir. But I won't say that98401:03:40,980 --> 01:03:45,120the perks were nice fortemporary. They were very, we we98501:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,520went straight to the frontanyway, it was it was a great98601:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,870concert. And98701:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,600you know, the98801:03:53,130 --> 01:03:56,910the, they were saying ourmerchandise is in the back CDs98901:03:56,910 --> 01:04:00,630and stuff are in the back likeand stuff like that.99001:04:01,650 --> 01:04:05,070That whole thing is like you'regoing to MIT. You're going to99101:04:05,310 --> 01:04:08,730you're going to miss this thismoment if you if you don't99201:04:08,730 --> 01:04:13,260participate. And then afterwardslike I was so impressed by the99301:04:13,260 --> 01:04:16,440setlist I'm sort of ramblinghere but I was so impressed by99401:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,040the setlist because they got abig catalog and I was like well,99501:04:20,580 --> 01:04:24,780this this setlist was beautifulit was like this perfect99601:04:24,780 --> 01:04:30,690encapsulation of theircatalogue. And so I went in99701:04:30,750 --> 01:04:34,650inbuilt a Spotify playlist ofthis setlist from the from the99801:04:34,650 --> 01:04:35,040concert99901:04:36,060 --> 01:04:39,930and then as I started playing itand after the first song was100001:04:39,930 --> 01:04:44,130over, I just turned it off. I'mlike you know what? I'm going to100101:04:44,610 --> 01:04:48,420consume this setlist thisplaylist slowly. I'm not going100201:04:48,420 --> 01:04:52,170to blow through it. So I'll justevery couple of days I'll I'll100301:04:52,170 --> 01:04:55,800play the next track becausethere's this fear that I had100401:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,830inside that you're you built. Ibuilt this plan I had this100501:04:58,830 --> 01:04:59,970experience at the con100601:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,320Sir, I have a beautiful playlistof Black Label society. And then100701:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,620I built the playlist. And now Ican just do it over and over and100801:05:07,620 --> 01:05:11,250over until I make myself sick.And I don't want to do that.100901:05:12,540 --> 01:05:15,090And the only way to preservethat is, is with some101001:05:15,090 --> 01:05:18,270limitations. You gotta, yougotta put some limits on things.101101:05:19,170 --> 01:05:21,930And well, so what you whatyou're describing is a whole101201:05:21,930 --> 01:05:25,200bunch of things. I think there'sit's perfectly valid for101301:05:25,200 --> 01:05:31,290musicians to also delay release.Yes, yes. And the escorts also101401:05:31,290 --> 01:05:32,400think that's a good thing.101501:05:35,730 --> 01:05:37,740By the hour, Yeah, not bad,right.101601:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,390You're professional. I'd love tosee one of our app developers101701:05:45,390 --> 01:05:48,510grab this, you know, we have wehave the product, we have a ball101801:05:48,510 --> 01:05:53,370in the wolf, there's, there'sothers, we have the the basics101901:05:53,370 --> 01:05:57,060are out there. We just need a,an example, we can show to102001:05:57,270 --> 01:06:01,440potential partner onboardingcompanies like like Bandcamp and102101:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,520say, Hey, here's, here's what itwill result in. And then with102201:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,460the with the obvious end, by theway, you know, for your part,102301:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,840now, we'll add a split in, we'lladd a split in the value block102401:06:13,050 --> 01:06:15,780thing, as long as you'retransparent about it. And of102501:06:15,780 --> 01:06:19,230course, anybody wants to go andyour usual caveat, if anybody102601:06:19,230 --> 01:06:23,220wants to go off and create theirown feed and keep keep all the102701:06:23,220 --> 01:06:26,250stats to themselves, and theycan do that, too. Yeah,102801:06:26,460 --> 01:06:30,180absolutely. I think we're, Ithink treating, treating the102901:06:30,180 --> 01:06:34,770indie platforms as who arealready sort of doing this,103001:06:35,610 --> 01:06:37,770treating them the same way wewould treat like a103101:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,840podcast hosting company. It justmakes sense. Because they're103201:06:42,840 --> 01:06:43,620onboarding103301:06:44,850 --> 01:06:48,420people already. They have thepipeline. And you have to sort103401:06:48,420 --> 01:06:52,950of tap into an existing pipelinein order to get people in order103501:06:52,950 --> 01:06:54,480to get the content in there.103601:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,360That now I think it makesperfect sense. I just wish we103701:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,070had a different word than indie.103801:07:03,420 --> 01:07:06,840I know you hate that word. Touse autonomous.103901:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,940Sovereign. I love sovereign butyou know, it sounds so formal.104001:07:12,900 --> 01:07:20,250Yeah. So standing self governthese self ruling. freeborn104101:07:20,250 --> 01:07:25,380ruling. I'm a big fan of selfruling music, unsupervised.104201:07:26,850 --> 01:07:30,450I like unsual I'm gonna useunsupervised. unsupervised.104301:07:30,450 --> 01:07:33,810podcasters and unsupervised.That's truly what it is. They're104401:07:33,840 --> 01:07:39,450unsupervised. Free Range. Indie.Just sounds like a bad belly104501:07:39,450 --> 01:07:41,610button. You know, I don't knowit's something weird.104601:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,110I don't like it. I'm supervised.I'm gonna Oh, you mean104701:07:46,110 --> 01:07:49,470unsupervised? Yes, exactly.Free. I like free range music104801:07:49,470 --> 01:07:53,280free range. Oh, also good. I'lltake that free range music Hold104901:07:53,280 --> 01:07:53,940on a second.105001:07:58,320 --> 01:07:59,190Craft music.105101:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,250Hold on a second. Let's see ifwe can find this free range.105201:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,240We'll just go with the.com Seehow we do. So you're gonna nail105301:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,760it. You're gonna get it? I don'tthink so. Man free range.105401:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,240music.com. That may be hard.Almost. Yeah, I got I believe105501:08:15,240 --> 01:08:15,360in.105601:08:17,520 --> 01:08:22,500Almost like, ah, free range.music.com. I think I'm already105701:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,470we go. We're checking thedatabase.105801:08:26,790 --> 01:08:29,640Yeah, let's take no, yeah.105901:08:31,920 --> 01:08:37,200That's no good. foiled. Yeah.Well, anyway, it's a good idea.106001:08:37,230 --> 01:08:40,260There's enough people listeningto I think to make this happen.106101:08:40,290 --> 01:08:43,410What we need is, we need anexample. And if there's an106201:08:43,410 --> 01:08:47,160example, I can show examples,people can show examples. We can106301:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,530talk about it, we can tweetabout it, we can we can make it106401:08:49,530 --> 01:08:53,340happen. Somewhere. Someone outthere know somebody at bandcamp106501:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,580Yeah, I think so. They may beamazing. Maybe I can dive into106601:08:59,580 --> 01:09:02,970some of my sovereign beats. So Ilike that sovereign.106701:09:04,230 --> 01:09:06,270I'll delve into my context to106801:09:07,380 --> 01:09:11,970Yes, I mean, we, if we just havesome, I think like all we need106901:09:13,080 --> 01:09:19,800in order to kickstart the music2.0 podcasting is just we need107001:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,310a, a some small size pipeline,it doesn't have to be a huge107101:09:23,310 --> 01:09:26,760one, just some legitimatepipeline.107201:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,730Like my muscles, music, hismetal band, you know, they got107301:09:32,730 --> 01:09:35,280on Spotify, and they were reallyexcited because that's where,107401:09:35,820 --> 01:09:40,080like, that's, that's whereeverybody is, is and so if we107501:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,990just have some sort of pipelinein no matter who which service107601:09:42,990 --> 01:09:45,600it is, or somebody that's outthere already doing it that has107701:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,560the ability to onboard, thenthat creates a little bit of107801:09:49,560 --> 01:09:54,030excitement and people will beginto want to do it, I think. Did107901:09:54,030 --> 01:09:59,190your son register with NASCAR?NASCAR with ASCAP or BMI for his108001:09:59,190 --> 01:09:59,970songs are they108101:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,080Just know Okay, all right. Cool.That's good to know. It's on108201:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,680Bandcamp too, I think. I thinkhe's on there. He's on their own108301:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,980to have him send a note tosomebody. Hey, yeah, I need an108401:10:10,980 --> 01:10:12,330RSS feed from y'all.108501:10:13,410 --> 01:10:17,490Yeah, I mean, like the return ofvinyl. That's a real thing. I108601:10:17,490 --> 01:10:20,550had no idea how big that was.Yeah, my daughter's into it too.108701:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,900Oh, man, my daughter she sent mea texted me a picture the other108801:10:24,900 --> 01:10:26,280day on our way back from108901:10:27,330 --> 01:10:30,990from the from the store. Shejust sent me a random texts and109001:10:32,100 --> 01:10:35,250how good of a hall she got. Andit was this picture of like six109101:10:35,250 --> 01:10:38,970different vinyl albums. Nice.Well, yeah, but there's more.109201:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,970There's more to it than that.Because, you know, the idea109301:10:41,970 --> 01:10:45,750that, that the music business iscontrolled and they determined109401:10:45,750 --> 01:10:48,330the culture. Yeah, to a largedegree what you see, but that's109501:10:48,330 --> 01:10:51,540not really I mean, it's a grossoverstatement and generalization109601:10:51,540 --> 01:10:55,290to say, you know, for them tosay kids don't listen to don't109701:10:55,290 --> 01:10:58,050appreciate etc, etc. Yeah.109801:10:59,310 --> 01:11:03,930Andy Fletcher, who I knew quitewell and in 1981 He passed away109901:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,380yesterday. Yeah, he's thekeyboard player for Depeche110001:11:07,380 --> 01:11:07,800Mode.110101:11:08,970 --> 01:11:12,270And, you know, we hung out a bitin Amsterdam when I was at110201:11:12,300 --> 01:11:17,190pirate radio station, then theyDutch know the British. But then110301:11:17,190 --> 01:11:20,040later when I was doing countdownand of course they were on the110401:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,030show. So this there was kind ofa now Hey, how you doing type110501:11:24,030 --> 01:11:29,190thing over the years? And itseems only 60 But I got messages110601:11:29,190 --> 01:11:32,280from my daughter from mystepdaughter. It's 25110701:11:33,480 --> 01:11:36,870yet from a lot of younger peoplesaying ha That's sucks you know,110801:11:36,870 --> 01:11:41,940I love just can't get enough orpersonal Jesus or you know,110901:11:41,940 --> 01:11:46,200there's so many different coolDepeche Mode songs. So, you111001:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,980know, there's my daughter's thesame way she knows all the music111101:11:49,980 --> 01:11:53,310that out would that was popularwhen I was a kid. Tons of it.111201:11:53,310 --> 01:11:53,760Yeah.111301:11:54,990 --> 01:11:56,670I mean, she she just like sheknows.111401:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,350It's, it's getting increasinglymore difficult for me to send111501:12:01,350 --> 01:12:04,770her music that she hasn't heard,like, you know, because I'm111601:12:04,770 --> 01:12:07,110like, Hey, have you heard youknow? Oh, do you know so? Oh,111701:12:07,110 --> 01:12:10,260yeah. Yeah, I know them. I'vegot, you know, it's like, yeah,111801:12:10,950 --> 01:12:11,970they love music.111901:12:13,170 --> 01:12:14,190They just like good music.112001:12:16,200 --> 01:12:17,550I'll never forget when112101:12:19,380 --> 01:12:22,140was it? I will to Christina.112201:12:23,550 --> 01:12:24,750I'm looking it up here.112301:12:26,580 --> 01:12:30,330I took receipt to see StevieWonder, gosh, must be six years112401:12:30,330 --> 01:12:35,370ago. Yeah, probably six yearsago. He was in Austin. And it112501:12:35,370 --> 01:12:39,390was great. Greg Phillinganes. Hewas the musical director, you112601:12:39,390 --> 01:12:42,600know, and, and they would get,you know, local musicians to do112701:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,350some string instruments. So thewhole thing was great. And,112801:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,530and Stevie Wonder launches intopastime paradise. You know,112901:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,240Dune, Dune, you know, live inMoana most time living in,113001:12:57,780 --> 01:12:58,200right.113101:12:59,370 --> 01:13:02,370And Christina goes, Oh my God,that's just so awesome. He's113201:13:02,370 --> 01:13:03,270doing Coolio.113301:13:05,430 --> 01:13:08,160Coolio is Gangster's Paradisewith Me. I was the same lira.113401:13:08,190 --> 01:13:12,000Right? Yeah, we're the same, thesame track, basically. And I was113501:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,870just like, oh, okay, I think Ineed to introduce you to Songs113601:13:15,870 --> 01:13:19,440in the Key of Life. So yes, yes.Understand where this is all113701:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,050coming from. This is veryexciting, Dave, I didn't know113801:13:22,050 --> 01:13:24,930we'd actually be talking aboutthis today in this in this113901:13:24,930 --> 01:13:28,500depth, but feels like we're kindof getting there. And114001:13:29,820 --> 01:13:32,700this just there's enoughinterest and my goodness, how114101:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,460many people have not approachedme about it? Like, how do I do114201:13:35,460 --> 01:13:38,250this for music? And you and Ihave a different link on value114301:13:38,250 --> 01:13:42,870for value.io. But it's whatpeople need to see as a real114401:13:42,870 --> 01:13:47,460example. And a mind boggling UIthat just goes oh, okay, I see114501:13:47,460 --> 01:13:52,290it. And what's this boost? Oh,okay. I get it. We also need an114601:13:52,290 --> 01:13:54,570a pipeline. I totally agree withthe pipeline. I don't know if114701:13:54,570 --> 01:13:57,720there's a smaller group we canwork with, you know, hold on a114801:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,700second. Who was it that showedup? The guy who he was he's on114901:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,020the social? He showed up? Heused to have the, like podsafe115001:14:07,020 --> 01:14:08,190music type stuff or115101:14:09,690 --> 01:14:11,130bad belly button music?115201:14:12,780 --> 01:14:16,350I don't think that was it. A No.Kill your film.115301:14:17,940 --> 01:14:22,800The translators handle thatbecause I just know is avatar.115401:14:24,030 --> 01:14:28,170Well, he'd be the perfect guy toget to dive into this. Yeah, I115501:14:28,170 --> 01:14:32,610asked him about I asked himabout Bandcamp this morning.115601:14:32,970 --> 01:14:36,630What what what was their like?What's their their sitch? What's115701:14:36,630 --> 01:14:36,750their?115801:14:37,950 --> 01:14:42,180What's their status? Yeah. Howdo they do things? And he didn't115901:14:42,180 --> 01:14:44,340reply, but I think you know,you're right. That would be a116001:14:44,340 --> 01:14:47,520good, good way to go. Because hejust posted something today116101:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,600about some new track. Okay. Iguess it's I don't know if it's116201:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,780his or somebody else. But themain thing is we need to be able116301:14:54,780 --> 01:14:59,370to show an interface that is nota podcast app showing music116401:14:59,370 --> 01:14:59,940tracks.116501:15:00,510 --> 01:15:02,490That was gonna be another thingI was gonna say like you need116601:15:02,490 --> 01:15:06,390you need a pipeline and then youalso need the in the endpoint,116701:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,530which is a bet which is a musicfocused podcast app. Yep. Or116801:15:10,530 --> 01:15:14,760only shows music or just some orjust something that if it hits116901:15:15,480 --> 01:15:20,610Music Media and music medium tagthat changes bit shape shifts.117001:15:20,970 --> 01:15:24,090It Jason Evangelia This is a go.Yep.117101:15:25,620 --> 01:15:27,900Yeah, yeah, exactly shape shapeshifter. But it would it would117201:15:27,900 --> 01:15:30,990be nice, though, to have justone just a dedicated, I'm117301:15:30,990 --> 01:15:35,460thinking breeze how breeze onlyshows value at feeds. Another117401:15:35,460 --> 01:15:39,870one that only shows music fee.Ah, well, Roy has been waiting117501:15:39,870 --> 01:15:44,610to do this. Really? Yeah, I'vebeen talking to t what he said,117601:15:44,610 --> 01:15:47,190hey, we'll go out and we'llraise money for it. I said, No.117701:15:48,540 --> 01:15:50,700No, we're not gonna do that. I'mgonna He's just being sweet,117801:15:50,700 --> 01:15:51,600this typical ROI.117901:15:52,950 --> 01:15:56,940But no, I think he's ready to dothat. And118001:15:58,170 --> 01:16:00,570yeah, now that we've kind offigured out the onboarding118101:16:00,570 --> 01:16:02,790problem, which was so obvious.118201:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,810Now that I look at it like, Oh,of course, we need other people118301:16:06,810 --> 01:16:10,230to create the feeds. People whoalready do this, who already118401:16:10,260 --> 01:16:12,720talked to the artists whoalready curate who are looking118501:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,410for any avenue? Any Avenue?118601:16:18,360 --> 01:16:18,780Yes.118701:16:19,860 --> 01:16:24,750I think yeah. It's funny. I feellike we're close, but so far118801:16:24,750 --> 01:16:25,260away.118901:16:26,760 --> 01:16:27,540I wasn't gonna do119001:16:29,820 --> 01:16:32,790just one of those close andclose it. Same thing I wanted to119101:16:32,790 --> 01:16:36,090mention, I got a hold. It'sreally, you know, I think I119201:16:36,510 --> 01:16:41,850spoke on the last episode aboutthe new road caster Pro.119301:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,310Coming out, and you get it. Doyou have it? No, of course not.119401:16:47,340 --> 01:16:48,420Someone hates me.119501:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,580Now, I've never I've tried toreach out to that company. I've,119601:16:54,060 --> 01:16:58,410you know, of course I have.Here's what I think they're119701:16:58,410 --> 01:17:02,880completely aware of who I am. Iprobably wouldn't give a device119801:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,960to Adam curry to review eitherunless I really, really, really,119901:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,490really knew that he was gonnalike it.120001:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,470He, it's because you know, me,I'd be like, Oh, this sucks120101:17:13,470 --> 01:17:14,250piece of shit.120201:17:15,750 --> 01:17:18,750Yeah, and it's like playing arinky dink team when you're the120301:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,170big guy and football. You justdon't give that, you know, you120401:17:22,260 --> 01:17:24,270probably better not even playbecause what if you lose?120501:17:26,190 --> 01:17:28,080But no, it's of course, theygave it to a whole bunch of120601:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,910YouTubers. So there's tons ofreview videos and in varying120701:17:32,910 --> 01:17:37,410degrees of detail. But there wasI was actually one video, I120801:17:37,410 --> 01:17:38,310think the guy might be120901:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,860like a retail or dealer ofequipment. And he got he had a121001:17:43,860 --> 01:17:48,690slideshow, which was thetraining video from Rode itself.121101:17:48,690 --> 01:17:51,600And so he he didn't actuallyhave the device there to show121201:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,300but he had all the screenshotstoo. I think they I think they121301:17:54,300 --> 01:17:57,780nailed it. I think they reallyreally nailed it this time i pre121401:17:57,780 --> 01:18:01,170ordered one, of course. Well,how long is it going to take you121501:18:01,170 --> 01:18:05,550to get to June 18? I think iswhen, when, when they're all121601:18:05,580 --> 01:18:08,280available or will have beenshipped by that date or121701:18:08,280 --> 01:18:14,280whatever. Much Is it? 699. Soit's high. It's more than I121801:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,710think the old one was, is morethan the old one that that maybe121901:18:16,710 --> 01:18:21,150100 bucks more. Okay, no, it'sabout the same. It's for what it122001:18:21,150 --> 01:18:25,470is. And as you know, podcastsare pro was a device that I122101:18:25,470 --> 01:18:29,910developed with the surgeon, andwe weren't able to take it into122201:18:29,910 --> 01:18:33,780production. But even if we hadand it was working, you know, it122301:18:33,780 --> 01:18:35,670was it was a real device.122401:18:37,470 --> 01:18:41,580We could never get the pricepoint to 699. With this with the122501:18:41,610 --> 01:18:45,360with the physical box they haveand you know, they've got a122601:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,780pretty powerful Quad Coreprocessor in there dedicated to122701:18:48,780 --> 01:18:53,070DSP. They're doing some goodstuff. I'm very excited about122801:18:53,070 --> 01:18:57,210it. I really, do you think itactually has the busing? And I122901:18:57,210 --> 01:19:00,630think it does. Yep. It seemslike it's got all the stuff that123001:19:00,630 --> 01:19:03,030would that I even MIDI control.123101:19:04,140 --> 01:19:06,990So you can use MIDI for it.You'd use that for triggers.123201:19:06,990 --> 01:19:07,290Yeah.123301:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,650So if you were to see my setup,I have seven players and just123401:19:13,830 --> 01:19:14,520one123501:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,650what is it like just one stripabove the top of one screen. And123601:19:19,650 --> 01:19:23,880so I've literally been I have alike the plate as like a bin123701:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,820open next to it. So there's yourclips or whatever else clips we123801:19:26,820 --> 01:19:30,870have. And so I can I dragwhatever track it is into123901:19:30,870 --> 01:19:33,840whatever player I want to usethat I have a very small the124001:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,040cork Korg nano control two,which is just a MIDI,124101:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,570just a MIDI controller mixerwith it's very, it's like it's124201:19:42,570 --> 01:19:46,020like the size of a, I don'tknow, one of those children's124301:19:46,050 --> 01:19:48,750instruments where you blow inone end and it has a keyboard on124401:19:48,750 --> 01:19:48,960it124501:19:51,180 --> 01:19:55,290looks a bit like that. And so Ihave a button that's mapped to124601:19:55,290 --> 01:19:58,650start to stop and one to dump soit dumps the clip out and so I124701:19:58,650 --> 01:20:00,000can drag another one in and124801:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000typing aren't really proficientwith that. So that that triggers124901:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,190by a MIDI. Now I could remove125001:20:06,810 --> 01:20:09,930this keyboard and just triggerall that from the device itself.125101:20:10,710 --> 01:20:15,150Oh, and and also the volume, thevolume is also controlled by a125201:20:15,150 --> 01:20:18,480MIDI, so, but I really don't domuch with the volume on the125301:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,930individual tracks. Anyway,everything's configurable, it125401:20:21,930 --> 01:20:24,480looks good, they've got a bigpromise they're making, they're125501:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,810making a big noise about it. Andfrom what I can tell, you know,125601:20:27,810 --> 01:20:31,230remind you they own a fax andall this other gear that they've125701:20:31,260 --> 01:20:34,950that they've jammed in there forprocessing, it seems like it's125801:20:34,950 --> 01:20:35,700the business.125901:20:37,620 --> 01:20:41,460You know, it'll be it'll beinteresting. Um, you know,126001:20:41,460 --> 01:20:44,610because I would like somethinglike that, too. Because what I126101:20:44,610 --> 01:20:47,760want is for my EVO for a lovethis little device, but I would126201:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,330love for it to convert it intomy travel device, and then have126301:20:51,330 --> 01:20:54,570something more permanent on thedesk. I think, I think you'll126401:20:54,570 --> 01:20:58,470want you'll want one of these.Okay, yeah, you want one? And126501:20:58,470 --> 01:21:01,500then you know, God forbid, youcan start your own clips.126601:21:03,870 --> 01:21:07,230You, you told me at one point,you're like, Yeah, you need to126701:21:07,230 --> 01:21:09,390be able to do your own clips. Ithink he thought better of that.126801:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,230I don't know. Like, no, no one Iwork with, does it.126901:21:14,700 --> 01:21:17,310I don't know. I don't know ifthe sound because you know,127001:21:17,310 --> 01:21:20,010you'll be coming through theclips will be coming through a127101:21:20,010 --> 01:21:22,290channel that is eacute for yourmicrophone.127201:21:23,430 --> 01:21:26,310We need to try it one day, Iwould like to try it for the127301:21:26,310 --> 01:21:29,310experience of trying to getbetter and doing well. Here's127401:21:29,310 --> 01:21:33,210how it would work, I would haveto almost remove my processing,127501:21:33,420 --> 01:21:36,210you would need to do yourbecause I need to have pretty127601:21:36,210 --> 01:21:39,540much a clean signal coming infrom you, which means it's not127701:21:39,540 --> 01:21:42,090clean. It's got to be processingyour mic. And everything's got127801:21:42,090 --> 01:21:45,600to be set up. Which of courseI'm going to do with you. Yes,127901:21:45,690 --> 01:21:46,110yeah.128001:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,370I could noise gate myself andall that kind of stuff. Right?128101:21:50,580 --> 01:21:54,330Yeah. Oh, yeah. All thatimportant kind of junk. Yeah.128201:21:54,330 --> 01:21:58,260But we got to tune the sound.Yeah. Straight. So I would have128301:21:58,260 --> 01:22:01,320straight pipe. Yeah, I'll tellyou here's an idea.128401:22:04,980 --> 01:22:07,650Value for value, baby. We'vebeen talking about it throughout128501:22:07,650 --> 01:22:12,780the entire show. This podcast,this project, all the servers128601:22:12,780 --> 01:22:17,880that you hear humming in thebackground, that Cloudflare stat128701:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,750machine we've got all of thatcomes from value returned to us128801:22:21,750 --> 01:22:25,680for the project itself by manyof the stakeholders. But of128901:22:25,680 --> 01:22:30,360course people just want to seepodcasting 2.0 and all 2.0129001:22:30,360 --> 01:22:31,740systems moving forward.129101:22:33,120 --> 01:22:38,460For the what was the term wewere using unsupervised? Or129201:22:38,460 --> 01:22:41,610unsupervised? Unsupervisedcontent providers of the129301:22:41,610 --> 01:22:45,690universe. So if you get anyvalue out of this just put it129401:22:45,690 --> 01:22:48,210into numbers return it back tous couple of ways to do it. Go129501:22:48,210 --> 01:22:52,110to podcast index.org At thebottom you see a link you can129601:22:52,230 --> 01:22:56,160support us through PayPal onchain Bitcoin and you just heard129701:22:56,160 --> 01:23:01,230a boost to Graham come in. Thisis the preferred way. Go to new129801:23:01,230 --> 01:23:04,920podcast apps.com Or if you wantif you're one of those escorts129901:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,080go to new podcast. apps.com130001:23:08,310 --> 01:23:12,060say alternative onboarding. Yes.And I'll also put in today's130101:23:12,060 --> 01:23:14,130show notes. That link it'salready in there.130201:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,270The user's guide the listenersguide to booster grams. And of130301:23:18,270 --> 01:23:21,450course, you can always hit me upif you're having trouble getting130401:23:21,690 --> 01:23:25,260to Bitcoin to SATs and SATs intothe app and Adam mccurry.com130501:23:25,260 --> 01:23:29,340Happy to help. I want to kick itoff with a couple of booster130601:23:29,340 --> 01:23:32,130grams that came in during thelive show if that's okay. Yeah,130701:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,460man Be my guest. We gotbrochures we got see Brooklyn130801:23:35,460 --> 01:23:42,180112 was the RO ducks 2222 with aboost. Chad Ferro 10,000 SATs130901:23:42,180 --> 01:23:48,600Hello Chad. What's a o l mightneed a new example. I'm 33 Never131001:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,860use a O L Okay. All right. Youdidn't have to hurt me. Noted.131101:23:53,160 --> 01:23:59,940Noted servo just came in with2222 Carolyn 9999 Go free range131201:23:59,940 --> 01:24:00,540music131301:24:01,950 --> 01:24:07,650Yeah, free range music 2.0 Wehave Brando sellers with 30 SATs131401:24:07,650 --> 01:24:12,600Come on, man. What are you doingwith this? 30 sets? Nomad Joe do131501:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,980it live thanks. He says 1222There's Carolyn with 9999 again131601:24:16,980 --> 01:24:19,920had an idea because I thinkapproaching individual music131701:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,320labels and your artists who areon Bandcamp directly to131801:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,910integrate podcasting 2.0131901:24:25,590 --> 01:24:29,370I want Bandcamp to do itBandcamp needs to create they132001:24:29,370 --> 01:24:33,570need to be in charge of figuringout the RSS feed creation and by132101:24:33,570 --> 01:24:36,660the way, we can point them to anumber of outstanding developers132201:24:36,660 --> 01:24:38,490who might have time to help themwith that.132301:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,600She does another 9999 sat boostsCarolyn does Oh Carolyn, and132401:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,340it's cool because these come inas PC two. Oh 87 Live cool. I132501:24:50,340 --> 01:24:53,130would love to see Bandcamp onpodcasting 2.0 That'd be so132601:24:53,130 --> 01:24:55,320amazing. Let's run with scissorseveryone.132701:24:57,210 --> 01:25:00,000Ambitious 500 SATs I have tocall132801:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,780Karin back at works and karmafrowny face. Sorry about that132901:25:03,780 --> 01:25:04,020man133001:25:06,299 --> 01:25:10,829floydian slips 500 Sats are wetalking about Ford F 150s And133101:25:10,829 --> 01:25:12,029Ford escorts?133201:25:15,630 --> 01:25:20,610Well done Rando sellers 100 SATsboosting live with POD verse. I133301:25:20,610 --> 01:25:23,250just want to say I don't knowwhat's going on with POD verse.133401:25:23,490 --> 01:25:29,280The pod verse boosts are reallylow. The numbers are always 10133501:25:29,310 --> 01:25:34,140or 30 sat. What is this Mitch?That Mitch? dashpot verse and I133601:25:34,140 --> 01:25:38,100mean what is this chat room? Canyou fix that? Yeah, what it's a133701:25:38,100 --> 01:25:41,130default I don't know. Make thembigger Yeah, make the defaults133801:25:41,130 --> 01:25:41,640bigger.133901:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,28077 Seven D seven SATs from seeBrooklyn 112 against sovereign134001:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,330beats. Yep. All right on thetip. With 10,000 daily downloads134101:25:51,330 --> 01:25:55,350use IPFS podcast IPFS podcastingfor hosting says Freudian slips134201:25:55,380 --> 01:26:00,360of course. Why not? It wouldwork would work well I think134301:26:02,670 --> 01:26:07,350let's see. Ambitious again. 1234a bit of a dumbass trying to134401:26:07,350 --> 01:26:10,500figure out how to get live audioAI dot cooking for life homies.134501:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,440Calm Congress or bloggers ad hasgone viral somehow.134601:26:17,670 --> 01:26:21,060We got we read the one from TomStarkweather from Sean who's in134701:26:21,150 --> 01:26:28,320Cape Town. Hard Hat 22,222. Niceboost. Thank you. And Mike134801:26:28,320 --> 01:26:35,730Newman. 77,777 SATs boostingwhile listening alive from i 27.134901:26:35,730 --> 01:26:39,990Just south of Amarillo drivingwith y'all scissors loves lit135001:26:39,990 --> 01:26:42,480Yeah. Driving with135101:26:43,770 --> 01:26:50,250tremely dangerous. And thenStephen B from the pre show 7714135201:26:50,280 --> 01:26:56,250which he says is $2.22. So it istechnically a pre show Fiat135301:26:56,250 --> 01:27:00,960little row of ducks. And itsays, Oh, hey Dave, can we135401:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,740please get an API endpoint thatreturns feeds based on a search135501:27:04,740 --> 01:27:07,800term as well as the media type.We want to build and build a135601:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,770music app player but need thesearch results to only return135701:27:10,770 --> 01:27:15,210fees that have podcast mediummusic podcast medium backslash,135801:27:15,240 --> 01:27:20,070close the brackets. Well, isn'tthat coincidental? It sure is.135901:27:20,070 --> 01:27:22,620And I'm sending myself an emailabout that right now.136001:27:23,940 --> 01:27:26,280I am excited about that.136101:27:27,630 --> 01:27:31,950In point four medium, we wantsearch with medium tag.136201:27:32,370 --> 01:27:37,590Filtering. floydian slips camein two hours ago with 3456. I'm136301:27:37,590 --> 01:27:41,940chronicling my journey, startinga value for value podcast at136401:27:41,940 --> 01:27:45,990podcasting for value. Thanks forall you do you non birthing136501:27:45,990 --> 01:27:49,830persons. Okay. And there'sMartin greetings from Denmark136601:27:49,830 --> 01:27:55,9804321 SATs he takes, takes it inthe other direction. And the136701:27:55,980 --> 01:27:59,460last one is well that's mydelimiter that's comic strip136801:27:59,460 --> 01:28:02,700blogger. So that's where I stopand I'll just add that last136901:28:02,700 --> 01:28:07,950boostin which is from the NAmillennial 5000 SATs. Hi, I'm137001:28:07,950 --> 01:28:11,430Adam curry and I love listeningto millennial media offensive.137101:28:13,890 --> 01:28:17,220No, that's, that's our way to doit. What did they call that?137201:28:17,220 --> 01:28:19,890What do they call those in thebiz? Is that like a bumper137301:28:19,890 --> 01:28:22,440promo? Promo Pro? Just a promo?Okay.137401:28:23,520 --> 01:28:28,050Let's say more like an ID. Hey,can you do an ID and so this is137501:28:28,050 --> 01:28:33,960where we had to pay a sting. Canyou do a I love my MTV. I want137601:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,080my MTV. Oh, and can you IDyourself first please. That's137701:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,440always a stupid question. Okay,so Id yourself and then say137801:28:40,440 --> 01:28:45,570this. Okay, so it's like, thisis this is Dave Jones. I love137901:28:45,570 --> 01:28:49,440listening to K rock 97 inDetroit in a simple like that.138001:28:49,470 --> 01:28:52,200Yeah. And typically you sit downfor a whole morning and you go,138101:28:52,350 --> 01:28:56,190Hey, I'm Dave Jones. I lovelistening to Z 100 in New York.138201:28:56,400 --> 01:29:00,570Hey, I'm Dave Jones. I lovelistening to W a PE the big ape138301:29:00,570 --> 01:29:01,290and Jackson138401:29:02,490 --> 01:29:06,570for like three hours. Yeah,pretty much, pretty much. So138501:29:06,570 --> 01:29:09,690thank you all for those. Thosebooths, those very nice some138601:29:09,690 --> 01:29:13,290good booths in there and onceagain, shows the live boosting138701:29:13,290 --> 01:29:18,000is well worth the effort. Yeah,and I love how they I love how138801:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,770they're getting the boost busworking and they come through in138901:29:19,770 --> 01:29:20,280the chat.139001:29:21,720 --> 01:29:22,980It's so cool.139101:29:24,330 --> 01:29:27,660So then I got you know, I've gotto get back to find get some139201:29:27,660 --> 01:29:30,240more this API doing a lot APIworks and get some more of this139301:29:30,240 --> 01:29:35,790API work get out of the way thenI can get back to the MK Ultra139401:29:35,790 --> 01:29:39,450stuff. Where I think we can pullit all back together. Yeah, more139501:29:39,450 --> 01:29:42,720MK Ultra in my life please.Yeah, I should probably not say139601:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,750it just like that. What is it?What is MK Ultra again, I forget139701:29:45,750 --> 01:29:51,090what product is this? That'sthat's like hella pad combined139801:29:51,090 --> 01:29:54,120with live chat and139901:29:55,260 --> 01:29:59,190in comments and it's like theaggregator for all of this stuff140001:29:59,220 --> 01:29:59,940into one140101:30:00,570 --> 01:30:03,360Like a lot where you can throwit on your umbrella and then140201:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,730just live have a live thing.140301:30:06,779 --> 01:30:09,779Doing all that with all thepieces. Oh, wow. And that's,140401:30:09,839 --> 01:30:12,809that's going to be a separateapp called MK Ultra or will it140501:30:12,809 --> 01:30:16,169be integrated into helipad? Nowit's a separate app. Because140601:30:16,169 --> 01:30:19,529it's a different it's really adifferent thing. The elbow pads,140701:30:19,529 --> 01:30:23,219really a bookkeeping app, and soare sort of whatever you want to140801:30:23,219 --> 01:30:26,339call it. But the MK Ultra is, wewere playing with it before when140901:30:26,339 --> 01:30:28,829I was building it. And theskeleton is still there. I just141001:30:28,829 --> 01:30:31,919haven't gone back to yet. Butit'll, you know, it'll, it'll141101:30:31,919 --> 01:30:36,269have the live stream. It's meantto just like publish as a page141201:30:36,269 --> 01:30:39,029and then where and theneverybody can interact with it.141301:30:39,029 --> 01:30:42,779Your listeners can listen to thelive stream. Okay. Yeah, boost.141401:30:43,049 --> 01:30:45,539Okay. Yes. And that's gonna,that's gonna be something for141501:30:45,539 --> 01:30:48,719the Umbral. Yeah, I think it's,I think it makes sense to141601:30:48,719 --> 01:30:51,569publish it as an umbrella appfirst, but then it'll be It'll141701:30:51,569 --> 01:30:54,749be just like help add, you canrun it on your own box, too. And141801:30:54,749 --> 01:30:59,099then, and then, how does it Howdoes it show up on a webpage?141901:31:00,180 --> 01:31:04,710Well, you make your view andmake your Umbral visible to the142001:31:04,710 --> 01:31:07,950outside. Okay, got it. You know,this is running on a separate142101:31:07,950 --> 01:31:11,100port, so you can lock down theport and it could also run over142201:31:11,100 --> 01:31:16,500Tor. Yeah, yeah, that's right.It could, it could run crappy142301:31:16,500 --> 01:31:20,610over Tor, just like everything.Hey, man, ever since I loaded142401:31:20,910 --> 01:31:25,260tail tail scale, I have neverlooked back. How does that is,142501:31:25,290 --> 01:31:29,130that's working good for you, oh,oh, it's nothing but awesome142601:31:29,130 --> 01:31:31,830stuff about it. And the way Ihave it set up, because you can142701:31:31,890 --> 01:31:35,430you can put the app on yourphone. And then you can say,142801:31:35,430 --> 01:31:38,730okay, you can also say all DNSgoes through142901:31:40,020 --> 01:31:44,100is basically a virtual networkof VPN. And you can designate143001:31:44,100 --> 01:31:48,000which machine will be the DNSserver, which of course, I is an143101:31:48,000 --> 01:31:48,930umbrella running143201:31:50,010 --> 01:31:51,690pile. And143301:31:52,740 --> 01:31:57,180what I've discovered is thatactually, using the piehole, as143401:31:57,180 --> 01:32:01,980the exit node, kind of gives mea good result on my phone. So143501:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,930and the only thing it's kind ofweird, is if you use any type of143601:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,170geolocation, which I have turnedoff, but sometimes like, I do143701:32:10,170 --> 01:32:13,980have a use a mapping an opensource mapping program. And143801:32:14,010 --> 01:32:16,770it'll try to detect where I am.And of course, it's always143901:32:16,770 --> 01:32:17,610saying that I'm home,144001:32:18,690 --> 01:32:22,080because my exit node is home. Sothere's kind of that extra144101:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,400benefit to it that you know,it's not necessarily webpages144201:32:26,400 --> 01:32:30,180aren't necessarily tracking meto my location all the time,144301:32:30,330 --> 01:32:33,690because they have you know, cellphone points or Wi Fi or any of144401:32:33,690 --> 01:32:34,140that.144501:32:36,210 --> 01:32:38,820The potholes typically exit onlyI didn't even know the piehole144601:32:38,820 --> 01:32:42,210had toric no capability. I thinkI'm doing144701:32:43,830 --> 01:32:46,770it. I don't know, I read thatline, and I'm reading it.144801:32:48,780 --> 01:32:49,200I'm reading.144901:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,240HR says that changes with age.145001:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,610All right. Let's get to some ofour other donors here. Dave.145101:32:59,610 --> 01:33:04,260This is going downhill quickly.Speaking of double entendre. The145201:33:04,470 --> 01:33:07,830we got a donation for DameJennifer. Oh, Hello Dave.145301:33:07,830 --> 01:33:12,990Jennifer 3333 And she says thisthrough Pay Pal and she says145401:33:12,990 --> 01:33:14,760love hearing Phoebe breaksthrough the noise gate.145501:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,530Yes, I'm sorry. Yeah, she saysAnd yes, the math jingle should145601:33:19,530 --> 01:33:24,210be banned. Here's your cute abooth named Jennifer. Oh, you145701:33:24,210 --> 01:33:24,930want to?145801:33:26,790 --> 01:33:29,100She said it seemed like a goodidea at the time. But when it145901:33:29,100 --> 01:33:31,770played a couple of weeks ago, Icrawled under my desk and shame.146001:33:31,950 --> 01:33:34,830Your podcasting kisses? No, it'snamed Jennifer. Thanks, Dave.146101:33:34,830 --> 01:33:35,280Jennifer.146201:33:40,020 --> 01:33:42,450Yes, we got the debt that wasnamed Jennifer. But146301:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,190we have Marco Arment. With $500.146401:33:48,270 --> 01:33:53,700through PayPal, Marco. Thank youfrom overcast.146501:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,780Thank you, Marco. Veryappreciate it. That's his146601:33:57,780 --> 01:34:01,800monthly Amen. You have no ideahow much that means to us. Yes,146701:34:01,860 --> 01:34:03,000absolutely. That's146801:34:04,200 --> 01:34:08,460that's a big deal. And if it ifanybody hasn't seen, you know,146901:34:08,460 --> 01:34:10,920we know he's working on 2.0stuff. But if I hadn't seen the147001:34:10,920 --> 01:34:11,430new147101:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,020redesign from for overcast, it'sworth checking out. It's very147201:34:16,020 --> 01:34:16,620nice.147301:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,400Oh, it is colorful and verycolorful. Because it you know147401:34:20,400 --> 01:34:25,020what I still use overcast for asI'm using mostly 2.0 apps now,147501:34:25,020 --> 01:34:29,190but I use overcast still becauseit has one feature that that147601:34:29,220 --> 01:34:32,850I've used for years, which isthe upload feature. Yes, you147701:34:32,850 --> 01:34:36,300can. If you're if you're a paidsupporter, which I am, you can147801:34:36,330 --> 01:34:42,660upload your mp3 ease to throughthe overcast website, custom147901:34:42,660 --> 01:34:47,100mp3, and it gives you an uploadsplaylist. And you can list so148001:34:47,100 --> 01:34:50,040like you can just upload yourown stuff and listen to it148101:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,330through the podcast app. Oh,really nice. Yeah. I did that148201:34:54,330 --> 01:34:55,200with this.148301:34:56,370 --> 01:34:59,430With that thing that that148401:35:00,480 --> 01:35:05,340talk that I clipped fromearlier. I uploaded that mp3 To148501:35:06,030 --> 01:35:08,670overcast and listen to it on thenet. That way I can just drive148601:35:08,670 --> 01:35:10,020and listen to things I want toclip.148701:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,060Buzzsprout148801:35:13,259 --> 01:35:19,829$500 Oh, wow. Thank you bothboys and girls well timed. PPU.148901:35:19,919 --> 01:35:25,379Yes. That was well, yes. Yeah.And they Yeah. I was talking to149001:35:26,339 --> 01:35:29,429Tom this week, I guess prettycool stuff coming down the pipe.149101:35:29,729 --> 01:35:30,179Yeah.149201:35:31,350 --> 01:35:36,060Talk about it. No, no, of coursenot. Are you under NDA? Nothing149301:35:36,060 --> 01:35:36,870under for NDA.149401:35:38,790 --> 01:35:41,340Well, you better be telling meafter the show.149501:35:42,450 --> 01:35:46,170The Yeah. Thanks, guys. Iappreciate that. But Buzzsprout149601:35:46,170 --> 01:35:50,340has been along with rss.com and,and others. They've been such a149701:35:50,340 --> 01:35:50,760big,149801:35:51,930 --> 01:35:57,060huge supporter. No kidding.Sustaining supporter. Fountain.149901:35:58,470 --> 01:36:03,450Square in the boys. $200. Thankyou. Thank you guys.150001:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,810I finally got Oscars endpoints.150101:36:08,250 --> 01:36:10,260were promised endpoints if youwant.150201:36:11,580 --> 01:36:17,550Just a he needed a way to removevalue blocks that they had put150301:36:17,550 --> 01:36:19,770in, like, if they messedsomething up or whatever. He150401:36:19,770 --> 01:36:24,630just needed, like a, like acleanup. Point out about free150501:36:24,630 --> 01:36:27,690range. podcast.com no.org150601:36:29,970 --> 01:36:32,970is too much, and we don't reallyneed it. Pretty long. Yeah.150701:36:33,150 --> 01:36:37,710Okay. Sorry. Just just messingaround. Thank you, Oscar. And I150801:36:37,710 --> 01:36:39,840will get the rest of yourendpoints done soon.150901:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,520Now, this is good, because we'realso building like the same.151001:36:44,850 --> 01:36:48,720We're seeing stuff that heneeds. And building the same151101:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,510thing for Satoshi stream.151201:36:52,620 --> 01:36:56,550So we'll have different willhave the built disability now to151301:36:56,550 --> 01:37:00,450have parts are like so calledpartner in points. Okay. This151401:37:00,450 --> 01:37:02,670partner in name only, I don'tknow what else to call them. But151501:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,700like the ability for these forcertain151601:37:08,010 --> 01:37:11,880people to have unique accessthrough the API to do things151701:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,990that maybe only they need. Andout there's another151801:37:17,130 --> 01:37:21,570concierge API services. Yes.It's why it's right. Right for151901:37:21,570 --> 01:37:23,250You. Yes, exactly.152001:37:24,690 --> 01:37:30,330And there's another anotherhost, large podcast as this is152101:37:30,330 --> 01:37:33,330going to start integrating withus and for submissions and that152201:37:33,330 --> 01:37:35,340kind of thing. So I've beenworking with them in the152301:37:35,340 --> 01:37:39,600background to also do somecustom endpoints. So wow, I152401:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,730can't believe anchor is finallydoing it.152501:37:42,780 --> 01:37:43,590Yeah, no.152601:37:44,760 --> 01:37:45,450Yeah, no.152701:37:47,280 --> 01:37:52,140Jesse Hunter gave us $10. Weappreciate that. JC No, no.152801:37:54,150 --> 01:37:57,420Thank you, Jesse. We get someboosts. Yeah.152901:38:00,780 --> 01:38:03,090This is these are digitalhistograms. I didn't have time153001:38:03,090 --> 01:38:06,120to print them out today. Butlet's go through here. We got153101:38:06,150 --> 01:38:07,9501000 SATs from Merlin.153201:38:09,090 --> 01:38:11,010Merlin through fountain nieces.153301:38:13,170 --> 01:38:16,710First thing is don't read thisout loud. Okay. All right.153401:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,690Thanks. Thanks, Merlin. Okay, Iread it to myself. Thank you,153501:38:21,690 --> 01:38:24,510Merlin. And yes, I agree withit.153601:38:25,530 --> 01:38:31,3805552 from Satoshi stream. Thankyou guys. And he just says yay.153701:38:32,040 --> 01:38:33,930Yay. Boost.153801:38:35,940 --> 01:38:39,750Satoshi stream is a Dutchman. Ifeel I feel fairly sure. Yes.153901:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,300And one day, one day He willreveal Himself. Todd from154001:38:45,300 --> 01:38:50,490Northern Virginia. Send us an HDboost through breeze for 1000 ad154101:38:50,490 --> 01:38:56,490sets. Like 1920 bucks and ad Oh,nice. I love the perfect. Boost.154201:38:57,180 --> 01:39:02,370500 SAS for a set econ 101through cast Matic. For what is154301:39:02,370 --> 01:39:05,250worth by discovery as newpodcasts lately mostly comes154401:39:05,250 --> 01:39:08,730from mentions on ones alreadylistened to sometimes insertion154501:39:08,730 --> 01:39:11,880of another podcasters episodeinto one of my subscribed feeds.154601:39:12,060 --> 01:39:15,000Looks me. I've even startedlistening to a few based on154701:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,780fountain net FM clips. Well,good. Well, that sets me154801:39:18,780 --> 01:39:21,900straight, doesn't it? Shut upcurry. You know what you're154901:39:21,900 --> 01:39:25,170talking about. Now, obviously,and this was a really good155001:39:25,170 --> 01:39:25,800discussion.155101:39:27,180 --> 01:39:28,230And I think that155201:39:29,250 --> 01:39:32,880hearing getting a recommendationfrom a from about a podcast155301:39:32,940 --> 01:39:37,110happens in many ways. And yes,if a friend of yours clips it or155401:39:37,110 --> 01:39:39,840someone you have seen a clipfrom before, I'm sure that155501:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,520works. I'm sure it does.155601:39:43,980 --> 01:39:48,540My experience is just that it'sit's always word of mouth. One155701:39:48,540 --> 01:39:52,200way or the other and even onTwitter, sometimes I'll see it155801:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,570Hey, man, you should listen tothis in the show. And then155901:39:54,570 --> 01:39:57,420people say yeah, okay, I will.And I'm sure sometimes they do.156001:39:58,590 --> 01:39:59,700Sometimes. Yep.156101:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,020Many times no.156201:40:02,310 --> 01:40:04,890They don't have it sometimes.Yeah. Well, that's why I want to156301:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,250that's why I want the ability toadvertise. Advertise on bus cast156401:40:08,250 --> 01:40:12,090using the new using the newhotness over there because I156501:40:12,090 --> 01:40:16,050feel like there's we can pick upsome new listeners who would be156601:40:16,050 --> 01:40:19,680interested in the 2.0. Or howmuch does it cost? I don't know.156701:40:21,240 --> 01:40:22,920I don't know that. Maybe theytake SATs156801:40:24,360 --> 01:40:29,880anonymous. The pod friend send1000 SATs. Thank you and he or156901:40:29,880 --> 01:40:33,990she says delegated proof ofstake sucks if you have 50% of157001:40:33,990 --> 01:40:36,540the stake, great if no one hasmore than a few percent.157101:40:38,190 --> 01:40:39,780Sounds better. I think so.157201:40:41,160 --> 01:40:42,960Was that you? Or was that no,that was157301:40:44,100 --> 01:40:50,310that was me. got me excited.Auburn Citadel sent 49,490 SATs157401:40:50,310 --> 01:40:52,140through fountain and he sayswhat UPCA157501:40:53,490 --> 01:40:54,810what up to you? Thanks.157601:40:56,100 --> 01:41:01,620Thanks, Karen from the meremortals podcasts and it's 13,337157701:41:01,620 --> 01:41:06,510SAS it's a long lead boost boostboost, thanks through curio157801:41:06,510 --> 01:41:10,650caster and he says much like myinitial distaste of asking for157901:41:10,650 --> 01:41:13,110value from listeners I'movercoming my distaste for158001:41:13,110 --> 01:41:17,190marketing, which I always feltwas shilling spam, shameless158101:41:17,190 --> 01:41:21,210self promotion, etc. The bestmarketing you can do for your158201:41:21,210 --> 01:41:22,140podcast.158301:41:23,430 --> 01:41:26,040Certainly if you're doing valuefor value is a newsletter.158401:41:27,390 --> 01:41:31,920It really is. Newsletter iscritical in the model if if you158501:41:31,920 --> 01:41:37,380really you know if you if yourregular with your episodes on a158601:41:37,380 --> 01:41:41,040regular day, regular time, andyou can remind people the day158701:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,490before Oh, remember the show'scoming up? It's worked very well158801:41:44,490 --> 01:41:47,820for me. I love how you said thata newsletter is critical to the158901:41:47,820 --> 01:41:50,910value for value model and wedon't do it. It's true.159001:41:53,580 --> 01:41:56,250We don't do a newsletter. No, wedon't. But159101:41:57,270 --> 01:42:01,590we suck. I mean, we can't evenlive pod ping. I mean, hello.159201:42:02,550 --> 01:42:05,820It's obvious. We're just we'relow on the totem pole. We're159301:42:05,820 --> 01:42:07,200disaster. That's right.159401:42:09,150 --> 01:42:13,200On mere mortals, I and my cohost one discuss deep topics159501:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,020with a light hearted touch,fitness philosophy, ridiculous159601:42:16,020 --> 01:42:19,110stories, we've got a bit ofeverything. Much of the topics159701:42:19,110 --> 01:42:21,540come from my reading which Icover in depth on the mere159801:42:21,540 --> 01:42:24,990mortals book reviews. And tolearn about V for V the value159901:42:24,990 --> 01:42:26,490for value podcast. Yo160001:42:29,940 --> 01:42:34,140someone just hit the boost CLIfour times in a row. I saw it160101:42:34,140 --> 01:42:36,870come through school. That'scool. They actually came in as160201:42:37,020 --> 01:42:38,400134 to160301:42:41,340 --> 01:42:46,950see, I've actually got a littlebit of a reading okay,160401:42:48,090 --> 01:42:50,250this is from this is from thebook perelandra160501:42:51,870 --> 01:42:52,380And160601:42:54,120 --> 01:42:58,110it is the protagonist is landhas landed on this on this alien160701:42:58,110 --> 01:43:02,700planet as a CS Lewis book. He'slanded on this alien planet and160801:43:03,060 --> 01:43:07,320he finally has found food andthis this curious alien food160901:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,920this is a water planet so thisis big orb of161001:43:12,240 --> 01:43:17,070this warmish fruit. It's justlike, filling to the filled to161101:43:17,070 --> 01:43:22,080the brim with with liquid in. Hefinally figures out how to sort161201:43:22,080 --> 01:43:27,420of puncture the rind. He saysgood MIT to extract the smallest161301:43:27,420 --> 01:43:31,260experimental SIP for the firsttaste put his caution all to161401:43:31,260 --> 01:43:34,770flight. It was of course a tastejust as his thirst and hunger161501:43:34,770 --> 01:43:37,470has been thirst and hunger. Butthen it was so different from161601:43:37,470 --> 01:43:40,140every other taste of it seemspedantry to call it a taste at161701:43:40,140 --> 01:43:43,350all. It was like the discoveryof a totally new genus of161801:43:43,350 --> 01:43:47,520pleasures, something unheard ofamong men. Out of all reckoning161901:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,940beyond all covenant. For onedraft of this on earth wars162001:43:50,940 --> 01:43:54,360would be fought in nationsbetrayed. As he left the empty162101:43:54,360 --> 01:43:57,090empty gourd fall from his handand was about to pluck a second162201:43:57,090 --> 01:44:00,420one. It came into his head thathe was now neither hungry nor162301:44:00,420 --> 01:44:04,860thirsty, and yet to repeat, apleasure so intense, and almost162401:44:04,860 --> 01:44:09,060so spiritual seemed an obviousthing to do. His reason, or what162501:44:09,060 --> 01:44:11,400we commonly take to be reasonedin our own world was all in162601:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,390favor of tasting this miracleagain, the childlike innocent of162701:44:15,390 --> 01:44:18,660fruit, the labors he hadundergone the uncertainty of the162801:44:18,660 --> 01:44:22,050future all seem to come in theaction. It's something seemed to162901:44:22,050 --> 01:44:26,280oppose this reason. It isdifficult to suppose that this163001:44:26,280 --> 01:44:30,840opposition came from desire forwhat desire would turn from such163101:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,710deliciousness. But for whatevercause it appeared to him better163201:44:34,710 --> 01:44:38,700not to taste it again. Perhapsthe experience had been so163301:44:38,700 --> 01:44:43,110complete, that repetition wouldbe a vulgarity like asking him163401:44:43,110 --> 01:44:45,300to hear the same Symphony twicein a day163501:44:47,190 --> 01:44:50,520has been the reading forpodcasting tip on episode 87.163601:44:53,790 --> 01:44:55,230Oh my god, that was beautiful.163701:44:57,390 --> 01:44:59,010That is how was beautiful163801:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,900It's a it's just an example ofputting limits on yourself like163901:45:03,900 --> 01:45:06,930some. Sometimes when you have awonderful experience, you really164001:45:06,930 --> 01:45:09,900want to do it again. But youknow, you kind of shouldn't do164101:45:09,900 --> 01:45:10,290it again.164201:45:11,969 --> 01:45:15,689Because it would ruin what wouldruin it. Yes, yes. Yes.164301:45:17,100 --> 01:45:20,670So well, so well said. So wellread it right in the middle of a164401:45:20,670 --> 01:45:23,520donation segment. It was it wasvery interesting.164501:45:24,690 --> 01:45:26,700To see people that skipped thedonation stream and they miss164601:45:26,700 --> 01:45:28,740all this good content. It's thecontent is164701:45:30,720 --> 01:45:36,990Roy scheinfeld 4300 43,210 says,Okay, he's downsized his164801:45:36,990 --> 01:45:38,940donation it was about 4321.164901:45:40,470 --> 01:45:43,020Yeah, that's a subtle hintthere. We're gonna give you a165001:45:43,020 --> 01:45:43,800lightning boost.165101:45:46,500 --> 01:45:49,980Thanks, Roy. Message receivedROI. We need to talk a little165201:45:49,980 --> 01:45:51,510bit more about breeze I guess.165301:45:52,950 --> 01:45:56,970No, he says. He said you missedmy boost. So double boosting,165401:45:56,970 --> 01:45:59,610make sure it won't happen again.Oh, nice. Thank you.165501:46:01,380 --> 01:46:02,160He said braid.165601:46:05,280 --> 01:46:10,410Okay, so he doubled this is a 43to 10. He boosted that amount165701:46:10,410 --> 01:46:14,370twice. So a second message saysbring Gigi Back To School Day.165801:46:16,710 --> 01:46:20,970I'm giving him a big baller forthat goes to in a row 20 is165901:46:20,970 --> 01:46:25,680blades on I am Paula. I can sircool. Yeah, baby. Yeah.166001:46:27,090 --> 01:46:29,190I'm up for being schooled byGigi. Yes.166101:46:31,140 --> 01:46:33,120No, I deserve that. I deserveit.166201:46:34,680 --> 01:46:39,870Timmy 2383 and 5000 SATs throughfountain and he says boost your166301:46:39,870 --> 01:46:45,720baby boost. Boost. Don't juststand there post. Martin up what166401:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,050up Martin from Denmark. Ourbuddy. Through pod friend he166501:46:49,050 --> 01:46:51,600says greetings from Denmark4321.166601:46:52,650 --> 01:46:53,670Thank you Martin.166701:46:55,230 --> 01:47:00,450floydian slips sent 3456 sthrough fountain he says I'm166801:47:00,450 --> 01:47:04,410chronicling my journey.staining. staining. Well, this166901:47:04,410 --> 01:47:08,940is white. So I think I alreadyread this one. Because it was167001:47:08,940 --> 01:47:12,390the same misspelling. Start oilstarting value for value167101:47:12,390 --> 01:47:15,030pockets. Maybe we're overlappingat this point. We are at this167201:47:15,030 --> 01:47:18,300point we're overlapping butthat's weird. Because did you167301:47:18,300 --> 01:47:22,530get CASP? eland? No, I did not.I did not get cast. Okay. Cast167401:47:22,530 --> 01:47:26,610peeling since three cents. 3690says and he says informative167501:47:26,610 --> 01:47:30,330show. Thanks for the work.Welcome. We do our best man.167601:47:32,730 --> 01:47:38,610That was quite informative. Jim.Yes. Mitch said as an 1833167701:47:38,640 --> 01:47:42,540through pod verse. Of course. Hesaid, send bitcoin to podcasters167801:47:42,540 --> 01:47:46,950instantly using pod verse pluslb. Yes. How's that working? Is167901:47:46,950 --> 01:47:50,790that I do I need to do one ofthose hook up the lb to see how168001:47:50,790 --> 01:47:52,920it works. So I have my pod versehooked up to168101:47:54,420 --> 01:47:56,610an airline pay wallet I think.168201:47:57,900 --> 01:48:01,680I don't it's been I looked atthe report the other day and pod168301:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,960verse buffers has always been,168401:48:05,430 --> 01:48:07,530you know, has always been lowbecause they didn't they just168501:48:07,530 --> 01:48:11,250had the beta and pod verse. Butthere it looks like they're168601:48:11,250 --> 01:48:14,400starting to get more boostactivity through. Yeah, it's168701:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,400just those defaults of 10 SATsis just not going to get you on168801:48:17,400 --> 01:48:18,090the leaderboard.168901:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,500Yeah, bring that up. I don'tknow what's going on with it.169001:48:23,610 --> 01:48:27,690Thanks, man. I appreciate it.Man. Mixer, mixer, send 1000 SAS169101:48:27,690 --> 01:48:31,410through fountain in an excerptfrom the podcast index dot169201:48:31,410 --> 01:48:34,890social. He says Adam, you saiddon't email but talk to Chris169301:48:34,890 --> 01:48:37,470last about podcasting fromLinux. He's been running a169401:48:37,470 --> 01:48:40,560network of shows for a decadealmost solely on Linux. He's a169501:48:40,560 --> 01:48:44,640great resource. Thanks. Yeah,yeah, Chris Fisher is a great169601:48:44,670 --> 01:48:46,290great resource and everythingLinux.169701:48:48,540 --> 01:48:53,040Sea booster grams, and at theend we get the delimiter mastery169801:48:53,040 --> 01:48:58,080blog mixer blogger everybody15,033 SAS through fountain. He169901:48:58,080 --> 01:49:01,200says, howdy, David. Adam. Areyou prepared for world war170001:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,860three? Hell, anyways, okay.170101:49:06,810 --> 01:49:10,740Anyways, I invite you to listento our podcast. Okay, this is170201:49:11,670 --> 01:49:14,520this is the art of the not thePolish must be experts and non170301:49:14,520 --> 01:49:15,060sequiturs.170401:49:16,860 --> 01:49:18,870I invite you to listen to ourpodcast about artificial170501:49:18,870 --> 01:49:22,320intelligence read by GregoryWilliam Forsythe Foreman from170601:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,340Kent. Just enter AI dot cookinginto your web browser or in any170701:49:26,340 --> 01:49:29,520podcasting app. Yo, yo.170801:49:30,630 --> 01:49:32,910Thank you, Commissioner BlogHer.Appreciate that.170901:49:34,620 --> 01:49:37,440And that's it. That's it. Yeah,that's our group. Thank you all171001:49:37,440 --> 01:49:41,640very much. Especially thanks foreveryone who up there sat amount171101:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,300knowing that we are slowlytransitioning from the Fiat fun171201:49:45,300 --> 01:49:48,150coupons of PayPal towards thefull loan.171301:49:50,430 --> 01:49:53,670Bitcoin standard with theSatoshis that I mean, it's171401:49:53,670 --> 01:49:57,510working. But it's really, youknow, I was gonna ask you this.171501:49:57,510 --> 01:49:59,100How are we on171601:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,490The value for value enabledfeeds How many do we have? We171701:50:05,490 --> 01:50:08,340got like how many? Yeah, I thinkthis is an interesting metric.171801:50:08,340 --> 01:50:09,900And I've been keeping track171901:50:11,190 --> 01:50:15,570in my own crappy way. Let mesee. Which means I just, I'm172001:50:15,570 --> 01:50:19,440just writing some stuff down.Hold on. I have here.172101:50:22,920 --> 01:50:27,570I think it's about is growing inabout 10. A day. so on. So on172201:50:27,570 --> 01:50:34,350Thursday, May 19. So a week ago,we had 6650. Then this past172301:50:34,350 --> 01:50:41,460Sunday, we had 6683. And now wehave 6761.172401:50:43,470 --> 01:50:47,850So that's not five days, and howmany how many extra? Do we get172501:50:47,850 --> 01:50:48,300there?172601:50:49,560 --> 01:50:54,570I'm just writing this down. 67.What 6761?172701:50:55,980 --> 01:51:03,000On a start up, pulled up thepodcasts by tag podcast value172801:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,500tag in point. And well, it'smoving really slow. I hope it172901:51:07,500 --> 01:51:11,010won't crash, clean for heat.Maybe that was a bad decision.173001:51:11,130 --> 01:51:15,300Why would it? Why would it go?Okay. It's a lot of it's a lot173101:51:15,300 --> 01:51:18,390of data. It returns all thepodcast data from all the fields173201:51:18,390 --> 01:51:19,200that have valuable.173301:51:20,340 --> 01:51:21,900Well done, Dave. Yes.173401:51:23,100 --> 01:51:37,590I want to do 6761, the minus6683 is 78 divided by five is173501:51:37,590 --> 01:51:40,080well, if only we had a mathjingle that wasn't banned.173601:51:42,900 --> 01:51:46,290We can't use that. Okay, sothat's about 15 a day. So it's173701:51:46,290 --> 01:51:48,570cranked up a little bit. It'sbeen about 10 a day, and now173801:51:48,570 --> 01:51:51,210we're at 15. This is a metric Ithink I want to follow.173901:51:52,260 --> 01:51:56,100Okay. kantanmt. Can I have anendpoint? Do you want to report174001:51:56,310 --> 01:51:59,940a daily report? I would love areport. I would love a report174101:51:59,940 --> 01:52:00,840that gives me174201:52:02,460 --> 01:52:06,060yeah, how many new ones? Well,you're exactly the same as the174301:52:06,090 --> 01:52:10,920as the key send report? Yes,I'll set you up. A TPS report.174401:52:11,010 --> 01:52:14,520Yes. TPS report on a cron job ona cron job.174501:52:16,440 --> 01:52:20,760Really appreciate this, though.This is so much is happening so174601:52:20,760 --> 01:52:22,350much is going down.174701:52:23,850 --> 01:52:27,330I mean, we practically show up Ishow up now. I mean, you send174801:52:28,200 --> 01:52:32,790you send clips. But man, thisjust, we can just start talking.174901:52:32,790 --> 01:52:35,460There's so much to talk about.I'm sure we're missing a ton of175001:52:35,460 --> 01:52:38,730stuff people want to hear about.But no one's submitted anything175101:52:38,730 --> 01:52:40,470for the board meeting. So NeenerNeener.175201:52:41,910 --> 01:52:44,790If anybody wants to submit Yeah,anybody can send clips anytime175301:52:44,790 --> 01:52:47,790they want to. Oh, crap. Wealmost forgot the monthly pet.175401:52:47,850 --> 01:52:53,280Oh, no. No, we do need these.Yes. Sorry. I sorry. C pod news.175501:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,470$50. Thank you, James. Thankyou.175601:52:56,910 --> 01:53:03,810Jeff Miller $20 and Shawn McCune$20 dribs got $15175701:53:04,860 --> 01:53:10,980Todd's Minsky $11.11 JamesSullivan $10 Christopher Raymer175801:53:10,980 --> 01:53:17,250$10 and Jordan Dunnville $10.02coats $6.66 Michael Kimmerer175901:53:17,250 --> 01:53:21,060$5.33 Charles current $5176001:53:22,620 --> 01:53:29,160Naco Gagan $5 Cohen glotzbach $5and Leslie Martin $2. Thank176101:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,430thanks all of you. Yeah, I'mglad glad you caught that.176201:53:32,460 --> 01:53:35,700Thanks. victory from the jaws ofdefeat. Yeah, and these176301:53:35,700 --> 01:53:38,670monthlies are also veryimportant and you can do it176401:53:38,670 --> 01:53:42,510through a Pay Pal monthlysubscription or set up a cron176501:53:42,510 --> 01:53:42,900job176601:53:44,340 --> 01:53:45,660with the boost CLI176701:53:46,860 --> 01:53:50,820please I'm gonna do that by theway if you Why not go into I was176801:53:50,820 --> 01:53:53,460considering setting up the boostCLI for a couple of my favorite176901:53:53,460 --> 01:53:57,030podcasts as well separate walletyou know, just dump some stats177001:53:57,030 --> 01:53:59,490in there periodically and justfire stuff off.177101:54:01,140 --> 01:54:05,370And just a last note on thatstuff. I think everybody's got177201:54:05,370 --> 01:54:08,250their T shirts now so if youdon't tell me that I think I177301:54:08,250 --> 01:54:11,520think that's all handled now.Excellent finally after a year177401:54:13,290 --> 01:54:16,890Well y'all get t shirt orderever we had to look Come on177501:54:16,890 --> 01:54:20,550people we had a supply chainproblems now we do we still have177601:54:20,550 --> 01:54:22,260podcasts index dot shop177701:54:23,670 --> 01:54:26,370I guess let me just I don't knowI don't know if we actually we177801:54:26,370 --> 01:54:31,530have a Dutch shop I think so. Inwhen that in a shop guys. Yeah.177901:54:32,250 --> 01:54:36,690Yeah. Podcast index dot shop.Yeah, exactly. So there's yeah,178001:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,010there's there's merch.178101:54:39,180 --> 01:54:42,210You can get this podcast in theshop on vinyl and on cassette178201:54:42,210 --> 01:54:42,720tape178301:54:48,090 --> 01:54:51,360so yeah, and of course there'sthe podcasting 2.0 certified,178401:54:51,630 --> 01:54:56,610and details on how you bysupporting the the index and the178501:54:56,610 --> 01:54:59,970project podcasting 2.0 and getone of those. We saw a178601:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,170as to who was wearing when theother day of the conference? Was178701:55:04,170 --> 01:55:07,410that Benjamin? Yeah. BenjaminBellamy Benjamin Bellamy. Yeah,178801:55:08,340 --> 01:55:09,300look very good.178901:55:10,650 --> 01:55:13,530I wonder if people ask him aboutthat to do what's up with a T179001:55:13,530 --> 01:55:13,920shirt.179101:55:15,120 --> 01:55:20,370And Nathan, Nathan also has beenworking on we've we kind of179201:55:20,370 --> 01:55:26,100resurrected the, the push for auniversal stitches subscription179301:55:27,750 --> 01:55:33,030idea and t, I think he justpublished his blog post about179401:55:33,030 --> 01:55:38,370it, which I will tweet out andlink to. But it means the thing179501:55:38,370 --> 01:55:42,030we've, you know, we've talkedabout before and it's been it's179601:55:42,030 --> 01:55:44,520been a, you know, done attemptedin the past179701:55:45,750 --> 01:55:48,630to get you know, an idea is thatthere is no us sort of like179801:55:48,630 --> 01:55:52,050universal subscription mechanismfor179901:55:53,070 --> 01:55:57,090for podcasts. Right? This hasbeen a problem for quite a180001:55:57,090 --> 01:55:59,970while, long, long, long time.And there's been various180101:55:59,970 --> 01:56:02,250attempts to have a go at it.180201:56:04,590 --> 01:56:08,520That sort of his, he sort oflays out the approach and and I180301:56:08,520 --> 01:56:09,450liked the way he's180401:56:10,530 --> 01:56:12,480moving on this, because180501:56:13,680 --> 01:56:15,840it's very pragmatic sort of180601:56:17,850 --> 01:56:21,750let's, let's just go ahead anddo it. Very, very podcasting,180701:56:21,750 --> 01:56:25,050tip analysis, go ahead and doit. And then180801:56:26,400 --> 01:56:29,130do it. And then, on thetechnical side, make make sure180901:56:29,130 --> 01:56:35,700that it's done in a way that hasa new ability that hasn't been181001:56:35,700 --> 01:56:39,900possible in the past, which can,which, you know, we'll create181101:56:39,900 --> 01:56:45,240some excitement around it. Andthen finally once, and then181201:56:45,240 --> 01:56:48,120we'll carve out an A, aworkaround for the Apple181301:56:48,120 --> 01:56:52,050problem, which has always beenthe was the one Yeah. And then181401:56:52,050 --> 01:56:55,740after the fact, we campaignedfor Apple to ratify this thing181501:56:55,740 --> 01:56:56,520that's in use.181601:56:58,680 --> 01:57:02,310You never know. No, I think Imean, I think it's, I think it181701:57:02,310 --> 01:57:05,040makes sense. It's so so whathe's put together is181801:57:07,350 --> 01:57:11,340he's he says it like this, Ithink podcasting should work181901:57:11,340 --> 01:57:15,690around Apple, demonstratedemand, and then pressure Apple182001:57:15,690 --> 01:57:18,150to give users control over thepreferred podcast app.182101:57:19,740 --> 01:57:21,810I think that's about all youthat's about the best you can182201:57:21,810 --> 01:57:22,290hope for.182301:57:23,580 --> 01:57:26,580As long as the mission shouldn'tbe to get Apple to do it, the182401:57:26,580 --> 01:57:30,150mission is to get everybody todo it. Right. Yes, that and and182501:57:30,150 --> 01:57:33,210getting that's the easier part.I mean, that's almost, you know,182601:57:33,210 --> 01:57:33,810a given.182701:57:34,830 --> 01:57:40,440But so here's, here's his idea,you is to sort of182801:57:42,060 --> 01:57:49,500extend the P cast protocolscheme. So that's P cast, colon182901:57:49,500 --> 01:57:54,060slash slash, and then yes, someuse some universal link, some183001:57:54,060 --> 01:57:55,140universal URL.183101:57:56,910 --> 01:58:03,120And that's so you, you take thatidea, that protocol scheme, and183201:58:03,120 --> 01:58:07,650then you have have a URL on it,but then take it further,183301:58:07,920 --> 01:58:13,620because the P cast URL in thepast has only been able to, to183401:58:13,650 --> 01:58:17,490provide a subscription mechanismto sort of to take you to a183501:58:17,490 --> 01:58:20,790podcast, right? And he's like,Well, now what we should do is183601:58:20,790 --> 01:58:23,460add the ability for it to takeyou all the way down into an183701:58:23,460 --> 01:58:24,090episode.183801:58:25,350 --> 01:58:28,740So that you can hit this link,and it opens up your preferred183901:58:28,740 --> 01:58:32,640podcast player and takes you tothe correct episode. Well, to do184001:58:32,640 --> 01:58:33,540that, though,184101:58:35,790 --> 01:58:41,430some apps support that somedon't. Some, some do not support184201:58:41,430 --> 01:58:44,490a way to go all the way down tothe pot to the actual episode184301:58:44,490 --> 01:58:52,410level. And for those that don't,you know, we would have to sort184401:58:52,410 --> 01:58:56,280of work around that as well. Butyou can, there would be some184501:58:56,280 --> 01:59:01,650sort of like, okay, if you're,it'd be like PKS colon slash184601:59:01,650 --> 01:59:04,380slash and then URL. And then184701:59:05,490 --> 01:59:09,210and then like a episode guiddidn't do that Microsoft184801:59:09,210 --> 01:59:11,190actually support this at onepoint.184901:59:13,080 --> 01:59:18,060I think the Ping i remember Pcast. That that goes back to185001:59:18,060 --> 01:59:19,560like Windows Phone.185101:59:20,700 --> 01:59:25,020Yes. I think it has been it hasbeen around. Yeah. Okay. Well,185201:59:25,020 --> 01:59:28,350I'm all for bringing somethingback. That just was, you know,185301:59:28,410 --> 01:59:32,340wasn't at the right time. Thereit is. Was it here it is185401:59:32,340 --> 01:59:36,300handling URI schemes, P cast bythird party apps Windows Phone185501:59:36,300 --> 01:59:42,0608.1. Baby. Nailed it. Mm, nice.Look at that memory be 12.185601:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,550All right, cool. Well, that wasthat would be a big win. We185701:59:47,550 --> 01:59:51,510already have Microsoft onboard.So well then there's windows.185801:59:55,050 --> 01:59:58,770Yeah, so we're getting we'rehalfway there. We got one of the185901:59:58,770 --> 01:59:59,610big guys186002:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,680But I don't know. Does Androidsupport P Casta? They probably186102:00:04,680 --> 02:00:09,570do. I would think so. I'm notsure. I mean, graphene OS, you186202:00:09,570 --> 02:00:12,330can set anything you want foranything, basically. So you186302:00:12,330 --> 02:00:14,790know, that's, I'm just ahead ofthe curve on that. Don't worry,186402:00:14,790 --> 02:00:17,520everyone will be using iteventually. Did you see the186502:00:17,520 --> 02:00:18,180apple?186602:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,670Watch wallet if you want to putyour, your ID in there? Because186702:00:23,670 --> 02:00:27,000you know, in America, we're nowmoving towards the what's it186802:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,220called? Real ID,186902:00:30,660 --> 02:00:34,800part of your driver's licenseand all this stuff. So star on187002:00:34,800 --> 02:00:37,830it and all that. I mean, like,Give me a break. Yeah. Well,187102:00:37,860 --> 02:00:40,230here's the groovy part fromtheir terms and service. Now187202:00:40,230 --> 02:00:41,250this is when you're,187302:00:42,690 --> 02:00:45,270if you're using it to put likeyour passport or your driver's187402:00:45,270 --> 02:00:48,570license in let me see if I canfind this real quick.187502:00:50,790 --> 02:00:52,710Oh, gave me gave that to me.187602:00:54,210 --> 02:00:58,140And in some places, this iscalled Star ID secure trust and187702:00:58,140 --> 02:01:01,980reliable. And yes, it is you puta yellow star on your ID and we187802:01:01,980 --> 02:01:06,720can we can we not do that,please? It is a little weird. I187902:01:06,720 --> 02:01:07,140agree.188002:01:08,370 --> 02:01:13,950I can't find it that quickly.But what it says. So when you do188102:01:13,950 --> 02:01:17,010the onboarding, then you knowthere's a whole bunch of stuff188202:01:17,010 --> 02:01:20,070you have to put in there a lotof information and they say you188302:01:20,070 --> 02:01:24,090know to prevent fraud. We will Idon't know if they will do it at188402:01:24,090 --> 02:01:27,780any moment or upon request butthey will give I wish I had the188502:01:27,780 --> 02:01:32,220exact language, your stateinformation about your device,188602:01:32,220 --> 02:01:35,910your device usage habits, yourhead movements.188702:01:38,400 --> 02:01:44,850Yeah, it's really funny. So Isaved it somewhere. Yeah,188802:01:45,930 --> 02:01:49,560that's the that's the day thisphone stays at home and in188902:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,470locked in a box. Right? Well,I'm pretty sure that that's it's189002:01:52,470 --> 02:01:56,850really happening. No, yes.That's it's not happening in189102:01:56,850 --> 02:01:59,490this house. Oh, no, but it'shappening. It's happening out189202:01:59,490 --> 02:02:03,090there in the real world. Didn'tUtah do it? Weren't they like189302:02:03,090 --> 02:02:05,670all on board for some weirdreason? Everybody's All right.189402:02:05,670 --> 02:02:09,210Every state Texas is onboard. Ialready have my driver's license189502:02:09,210 --> 02:02:13,440with Real ID of course, it'sautomatic it you know, you're189602:02:13,440 --> 02:02:16,560not gonna get around it. But notme. You can't put that star on189702:02:16,560 --> 02:02:19,080Monday on my license. Okay,well, yeah, you189802:02:20,100 --> 02:02:24,210good luck. I'll just driveeverywhere. Good luck. Are you189902:02:24,210 --> 02:02:29,850dry? You driving to Dallas forthe for the big podcast thing?190002:02:30,240 --> 02:02:33,600Yep. I'm a driver, not a flower,baby. Okay, how long was that?190102:02:33,630 --> 02:02:34,470How long is the drive?190202:02:35,490 --> 02:02:39,870to Dallas? It's 11 hours toAustin. Well, why don't you come190302:02:39,870 --> 02:02:43,530to our place first. Okay. Andthen we'll, we'll drive up190402:02:43,530 --> 02:02:47,460together. Okay. Yeah, soundsgood. If you want. I mean, you190502:02:47,460 --> 02:02:48,090don't have to be190602:02:49,410 --> 02:02:52,200invited anymore. Go to Dallas.Wait, what?190702:02:54,540 --> 02:02:55,500Are you like, Oh, I190802:02:56,760 --> 02:02:58,590just happen to know that my190902:03:00,360 --> 02:03:04,620arms are from because I'm Googlemapping Dallas background.191002:03:06,450 --> 02:03:08,190The process that I got deinvited191102:03:10,290 --> 02:03:14,490URI invited years of courseinvited anytime, anytime. All191202:03:14,490 --> 02:03:17,460right. Are we done? Should weclose this out at two hours and191302:03:17,460 --> 02:03:21,300three minutes? I think we'veprobably run the gamut. Here.191402:03:21,300 --> 02:03:24,750We've exhausted all podcasting.2.0 topics for the week, I191502:03:24,750 --> 02:03:28,950think. All right. So lots to dothis week coming up. I'll be out191602:03:28,950 --> 02:03:32,490of pocket a little bit. Tuesday.I start my my first191702:03:33,930 --> 02:03:35,520reconstruction session.191802:03:36,600 --> 02:03:37,380My mouth191902:03:38,730 --> 02:03:40,710Wait, what? I'm getting all myteeth done.192002:03:41,820 --> 02:03:46,620Oh, oh, that sounds scary. Oh,it's very scary. This is I192102:03:46,620 --> 02:03:51,450probably should have done thisseven or eight years ago. It's192202:03:51,510 --> 02:03:57,060it's mainly genetics. Yeah, sobut I have I've had a lot of192302:03:57,060 --> 02:03:59,970work done in the past all kindsof cosmetic and now we have to192402:03:59,970 --> 02:04:04,140go and do the real work ofbasically taking a wrecking ball192502:04:04,140 --> 02:04:09,000to my face and reinstallingimplants and everything.192602:04:10,020 --> 02:04:12,930Which means we need a lot moreboosts on my other shows.192702:04:14,160 --> 02:04:18,690No agenda a lot. And curry Arethey are they going to be like192802:04:18,690 --> 02:04:21,150doing it a little bit at a timeso they don't wreck you all at192902:04:21,150 --> 02:04:23,040once? Or is it just well theyhave to do a little bit at a193002:04:23,040 --> 02:04:27,750time so I can afford it. Yeah,it's a man didn't work it's so193102:04:27,750 --> 02:04:31,530expensive. Yeah, it's it'sprobably going to be a small car193202:04:32,310 --> 02:04:35,580by the time I'm done but dammitit really has to be done because193302:04:36,510 --> 02:04:39,210I don't want to be like myparents ad and spitting out193402:04:39,210 --> 02:04:42,870teeth or my mom who you knowliterally had in her will do not193502:04:42,870 --> 02:04:46,050let me die without my without myteeth in193602:04:47,130 --> 02:04:48,360which we didn't. We193702:04:49,530 --> 02:04:52,110don't want to. I don't want tobe dead there and it was great.193802:04:52,110 --> 02:04:55,620She she was dead. Get a grip.Perfect Smile. Great teeth.193902:04:57,060 --> 02:04:57,570All right.194002:04:59,580 --> 02:04:59,970We'll be194102:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,120Look at next week right here onthe board meeting. Have a good194202:05:03,120 --> 02:05:04,260one. Have a great weekend Dave.194302:05:05,370 --> 02:05:06,750Hi buddy. 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