Episode 85: Loot The Room!

100:00:00,780 --> 00:00:07,020podcasting 2.0 for May 13 2020to Episode 85 Lose the room200:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,290and we are lips.300:00:11,790 --> 00:00:15,480It means the live item tag is ineffect finally, more about that400:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,300in a moment. Hello everybody.Welcome to podcasting 2.0 The500:00:18,300 --> 00:00:21,720official board meeting forpodcasting 2.0 we discuss the600:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,440podcast namespace, the podcaststandards, everything happening700:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,210at podcast index dot social. Andwe got a guest today I'm Adam800:00:30,210 --> 00:00:32,400curry here in the heart of theTexas Hill Country and in900:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,880Alabama. He parses feeds fasterthan pod paying my friend on the1000:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,390other end, ladies and gentlemen,say hello to Mr. Dave Jones.1100:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,940What up? You know, QA? Do youknow that1200:00:44,970 --> 00:00:48,570QA QA? Yeah. Isn't my cousinlike short for cousin?1300:00:48,900 --> 00:00:52,770Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Whatup? What up? Yeah, when you have1400:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,030me have an 18 year old who'sstuff in your house with a broke1500:00:57,030 --> 00:01:00,150leg? You? You get a lot ofunscheduled together time with1600:01:00,150 --> 00:01:03,210dad. Yeah. And, you know, I'mlearning all the lingo.1700:01:03,390 --> 00:01:08,640Oh, okay. Now, I was gonna askyou about this. Do you Lord this1800:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,490over him in a way kind of like,you know, once in a while just1900:01:11,490 --> 00:01:14,640to remind him that he's thathe's a shit kid. I mean, do you2000:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,980just say hey, by the way, youknow, look what I'm doing for2100:01:16,980 --> 00:01:17,430you. Yeah.2200:01:18,210 --> 00:01:21,840I don't not not that angle. Itake more the angle if you're at2300:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,340my mercy. And2400:01:23,580 --> 00:01:26,910it's excellent. It's just littleparenting insider stuff. It's,2500:01:26,970 --> 00:01:28,800it's fun for parents to do.2600:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,320It don't get cute.2700:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,830Um, and so second attempt atusing all of the live item tag2800:01:37,830 --> 00:01:41,820the lit infrastructure for ourfor our board meeting today.2900:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,250Instead of shitshow this was alive show, because this is this3000:01:47,250 --> 00:01:53,160was a mess. Yeah, like 3030minutes of pre show, fiddling3100:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,600around with forces feed caches.And like there was it was fun3200:01:57,600 --> 00:02:05,400because like, in my mind, I'menvisioning Adam and Mitch. Like3300:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,290with those big like we those bigstone wheels from medieval times3400:02:10,290 --> 00:02:13,530with the with a big with ahumongous set of scissors to3500:02:13,530 --> 00:02:14,970sharpen in the head sharpening.3600:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,100sharpening stone that spinsaround3700:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,720your head down sparks flyingeverywhere. You know, just3800:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,770firing up some scissors.3900:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,280Why don't we bring Mitch inright away, man because he we've4000:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,620already been talking to him forhalf an hour trying to get all4100:02:31,620 --> 00:02:37,410this stuff. Right. So you shouldknow him as the master behind4200:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,080pod verse. Ladies and gentlemen,welcome to the board meeting.4300:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,070Mitch Downey.4400:02:41,430 --> 00:02:46,680Hey, what's up, fellas? Fellas?High gave me a hard time for4500:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,090guys last time. Yeah.4600:02:48,630 --> 00:02:51,810I appreciate that. Yeah, QA.What? UPCA?4700:02:52,410 --> 00:02:55,980Yeah, long time no talk, Mitch,except from just a few minutes4800:02:55,980 --> 00:02:59,700ago, when then when thecraziness went down? I mean, are4900:02:59,700 --> 00:03:01,140we live now? Do we wait nowwe're5000:03:01,140 --> 00:03:06,180definitely live. And actually,Mitch, you've been at you and5100:03:06,210 --> 00:03:09,120Steven B have been on theforefront of this of this lit5200:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,600stuff, the live item tag. Andand you have some other I mean,5300:03:12,750 --> 00:03:16,170I don't really understand evenwhat what, what the pod verse5400:03:16,470 --> 00:03:21,210life paying and notification isdoing. But we're certainly not5500:03:21,210 --> 00:03:27,360doing it right here. And part ofthat as part of that is because5600:03:27,690 --> 00:03:33,990I use sovereign feed. And and,you know, that outputs an RSS5700:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,580file that I then put on theserver. And that's a a custom5800:03:38,580 --> 00:03:43,590made content delivery networkthat was not really intended for5900:03:43,590 --> 00:03:49,080a lot of changes in files to bereflected immediately. So and6000:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,920which is because of the massivetraffic and data it has to6100:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,160deliver several times a week. Soyou know, there's all kinds I6200:03:56,190 --> 00:03:59,670presume, would you say? That'sright, Dave? That's why he's why6300:03:59,670 --> 00:04:00,780it's all complicated. Because6400:04:00,810 --> 00:04:08,760yeah, yes. Like the end, the NA,the no agenda network. CDN is6500:04:09,000 --> 00:04:14,400tuned, over many years of trialand error to handle over a6600:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,080million downloads of trafficwithin a few hours. Yeah, like6700:04:19,110 --> 00:04:23,370within you. It wants to be ableto handle hundreds of 1000s of6800:04:23,370 --> 00:04:26,580downloads, you know, within justa span of like an hour. Yeah.6900:04:26,670 --> 00:04:31,290And so the way the the cachingis set up, and this, this is7000:04:31,290 --> 00:04:35,730what I'm understanding, becauseI've talked to Mark York, yeah,7100:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,790way back when he first startedsetting up like varnish and the7200:04:38,790 --> 00:04:41,490way the caching works. I washelping him out a little bit and7300:04:41,490 --> 00:04:44,760we were fiddling with some stuffand in trying to get all this to7400:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,140work and I think he just tunedit very specifically to be7500:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,070aggressively cached so that itcan handle all that and that's7600:04:53,070 --> 00:04:54,480not really7700:04:54,510 --> 00:04:58,860helpful. I'm really how quicktesting. Yeah, but the problem7800:04:58,860 --> 00:05:02,850is I have to have Have my RSSfeed on the same infrastructure?7900:05:03,030 --> 00:05:07,140Because when I didn't? Well, yousaw the bandwidth bills.8000:05:08,250 --> 00:05:10,830Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was, youknow, it's a nightmare. But you8100:05:10,830 --> 00:05:16,830know what, what we could do,though. Okay. What we could do8200:05:16,830 --> 00:05:21,750is and now I was thinking aboutthis in light of sovereign feeds8300:05:21,750 --> 00:05:25,680with with the new web hookdelivery, which is awesome,8400:05:25,680 --> 00:05:25,860which8500:05:25,859 --> 00:05:31,709is already being implemented. Uhhuh. So by the answer show, do8600:05:31,709 --> 00:05:33,449it FTP. Yeah, you8700:05:33,450 --> 00:05:36,510tell me that. Yeah. Do you knowabout this, Mitch? Did you see8800:05:36,510 --> 00:05:41,640that? No, I don't. Yeah. Sosovereign faces. Steven has it8900:05:41,640 --> 00:05:48,330coded up where sovereign feedswhen you publish a change, it9000:05:48,330 --> 00:05:52,920will deliver the entire feed ina web hook of your to a web hook9100:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,730URL of your choosing. So you canhave it just rather than having9200:05:56,730 --> 00:05:59,970to generate the feed, save it toa file, copy and paste it or9300:05:59,970 --> 00:06:04,380upload it to a CDN, you just setup your CDN to receive the web9400:06:04,380 --> 00:06:07,470hook and they can just drop itwhere it needs to go. When you9500:06:07,470 --> 00:06:08,370hit publish, very9600:06:08,370 --> 00:06:09,870sexy. Yeah, that'd be great. We9700:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,300need automated tools. Yeah,9800:06:12,479 --> 00:06:15,569yeah, that was that would solvea lot of stuff right here. And9900:06:15,569 --> 00:06:18,179you know, the cache bustingthings is my own personal issue.10000:06:18,179 --> 00:06:20,849But go ahead and10100:06:20,910 --> 00:06:25,260this the issue is definitelycash I would say based on the10200:06:25,290 --> 00:06:30,000looks of it, the this is a goodtest, because it shows that this10300:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,370is a challenge we need to solvethat. Typically, an RSS feed you10400:06:35,490 --> 00:06:40,140don't need instantaneous updatesfrom King is usually a good10500:06:40,140 --> 00:06:43,440thing, right? But for livenotifications that are embedded10600:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,330within the RSS and using podping, we need it to refresh and10700:06:48,330 --> 00:06:52,230also force all the clients thatare going to pull from it to get10800:06:52,230 --> 00:06:56,550that that latest version. So wedid have successful tests with10900:06:56,940 --> 00:07:01,500behind the schemes and ballafter ball earlier this week. Oh11000:07:01,500 --> 00:07:01,650yeah,11100:07:01,650 --> 00:07:06,270no, I different sir Spencer's inthe chat gone. I know this11200:07:06,270 --> 00:07:08,970works. It all works. You guysjust don't know what you're11300:07:08,970 --> 00:07:10,440doing. Okay, Boomer.11400:07:11,460 --> 00:07:14,760See what the higher Spencerconsultant is? Yes,11500:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,470we do it. Here's the login youdo it? Yeah, that's actually not11600:07:19,470 --> 00:07:23,100a bad idea. You know, sometimesI'm so tired after after longer11700:07:23,100 --> 00:07:27,240shows I make dumb mistakes. Andwhen you make a dumb mistake on11800:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,720the on the RSS feed, it'spainful.11900:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,940This is something that I need totalk to Alex about. Because we12000:07:35,940 --> 00:07:40,200know the caching thing has comeup before we've discussed it.12100:07:40,620 --> 00:07:44,130And I'm thinking that we maywant to change the spec, the12200:07:44,130 --> 00:07:52,530live or the status change specwithin pod paying to maybe put12300:07:52,530 --> 00:07:56,730in put in a URL parameter orsomething at the end of the12400:07:58,050 --> 00:07:58,920cache buster.12500:08:00,270 --> 00:08:04,290Well, I check your phone if youhave notifications enabled.12600:08:04,950 --> 00:08:06,600And do12700:08:06,630 --> 00:08:11,100so tell us about this part.Mitch, so pod verse now has12800:08:11,100 --> 00:08:15,270actual notifications popping up.When when your favorite podcast12900:08:15,270 --> 00:08:17,280goes live? Yeah, we13000:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,820added notifications both for newepisodes, which is a very13100:08:20,820 --> 00:08:25,710commonly requested feature andnow with live feeds, you know,13200:08:25,740 --> 00:08:30,390live streams going live. And Idid just receive a notification13300:08:30,390 --> 00:08:32,880on my phone. This is livepodcasting. 2.013400:08:32,910 --> 00:08:35,700Yes, I'm seeing that in the chatroom now too. Cool.13500:08:36,180 --> 00:08:39,210Awesome. Why am I not gettingit? I wonder if it's this phased13600:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,380rollout or something?13700:08:40,470 --> 00:08:44,280Right. And so I know curiocaster is working. But not for13800:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,600me yet. So that's, you know,that can just be brave caching.13900:08:48,600 --> 00:08:55,920You know, caching is good andbad. Yeah. We'll figure this is14000:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,020really good and bad. Yes.14100:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,910If people go to pi.14200:09:01,290 --> 00:09:05,340I got it. Even says on air. Oh,cool.14300:09:05,460 --> 00:09:06,210Hell yeah.14400:09:06,540 --> 00:09:12,570Nice. I still don't have it yet.I wonder if you know if sorry.14500:09:14,820 --> 00:09:16,890No, that's, that's on thecomputer.14600:09:17,430 --> 00:09:22,680Oh, sweet. So, Mitch, does thedoes the bad thing. I'm running14700:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,150the beta and testflight? Does ithave separate notification14800:09:27,150 --> 00:09:28,740settings? Do you know on iOS?14900:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,490I hope everyone's followingalong and going, you know, dude,15000:09:32,490 --> 00:09:35,280what are these dudes do and talkabout stuff? You're just playing15100:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,830on your phone? Yeah, this iscrazy. Okay. So that works.15200:09:40,830 --> 00:09:45,060That's very cool. Mitch.Fantastic. Steven V. Fantastic.15300:09:45,090 --> 00:09:49,320I love this. And I'm gonna throwout another challenge. Speaking15400:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,160of Alex gates for the boardmeeting in the board meeting15500:09:53,160 --> 00:09:59,430only. I just bought thisfantastic camera for because I15600:09:59,430 --> 00:10:03,000do so many The podcastinterviews my my lovely wife15700:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,810finally said to invest insomething gets this you look15800:10:06,810 --> 00:10:11,430like crap. And good for her.Yes. And so I got this. What is15900:10:11,430 --> 00:10:16,230it? Bob's bought? So it tracksand you know, so if you move to16000:10:16,230 --> 00:10:18,870the left or the right, it'ssuddenly kind of moves with your16100:10:18,870 --> 00:10:22,350head motion can follow youaround the room but it's very16200:10:22,350 --> 00:10:25,830small works really well I'mextremely happy with it for K16300:10:25,830 --> 00:10:31,320fantastic. I want to stream atleast my end video during the16400:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,020board meeting more over theshoulder so you can see what I'm16500:10:34,020 --> 00:10:40,320doing then me because that wouldjust be annoying to me.16600:10:41,490 --> 00:10:42,780You're gonna you're gonna16700:10:43,710 --> 00:10:49,920I want to I want to broadcastvideo. Through no agenda tube.16800:10:50,940 --> 00:10:51,690Oh,16900:10:51,780 --> 00:10:53,520I want that to go live.17000:10:54,780 --> 00:10:55,740Your brains? Man.17100:10:56,010 --> 00:10:59,100I have to do it because I gottaget stuff set up for Mo.17200:10:59,970 --> 00:11:03,930True is chomping at the bit,man? You gotta dive in at some17300:11:03,930 --> 00:11:04,320point.17400:11:04,950 --> 00:11:11,160See, Mike? Yeah, that's whywe'll be focused on on the more17500:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,100what I'm doing than me becausethe Tourette's? Yeah, the AI17600:11:14,100 --> 00:11:20,220just goes crazy. He doesn't knowhow to follow me. Now if they17700:11:20,220 --> 00:11:23,460could make a camera that wouldautomatically smooth the motion,17800:11:23,460 --> 00:11:26,370so it didn't look like I hadTourette's the reverse. That17900:11:26,370 --> 00:11:27,360would be very cool.18000:11:27,719 --> 00:11:30,299That is that would be that wouldbe a highly valuable camera.18100:11:31,740 --> 00:11:36,120Well, we're ready to add videolive streams. Also, the only18200:11:36,150 --> 00:11:39,540blocker for that is that wedon't have a stream to test18300:11:39,540 --> 00:11:39,840with.18400:11:40,380 --> 00:11:43,620Right. So that's, that's why Ithrow it out to Alex Gates, who18500:11:43,620 --> 00:11:45,930will tell me what I need to dowhat I need to get. And we'll18600:11:45,930 --> 00:11:48,090figure this out. We should betesting this, we should be18700:11:48,090 --> 00:11:51,540moving this forward. And this isthe place to do it. And I'll18800:11:51,540 --> 00:11:54,690have a big shiny pair ofscissors here on the desktop.18900:11:55,140 --> 00:11:59,190So, Mitch, do you? Do you wantto walk and for the benefit of19000:11:59,190 --> 00:12:01,920everybody who's listening tothis and has absolutely no idea19100:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,080what we're talking about? Do youwant to walk through the steps19200:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,230that happened to happen on thebackside now that now that you I19300:12:10,230 --> 00:12:14,310would like to hear use, like,give the linkage from step to19400:12:14,310 --> 00:12:18,210step of what happens whensomebody goes live until the19500:12:18,210 --> 00:12:20,250point where it gets anotification on listeners19600:12:20,250 --> 00:12:23,220phones, because you just whatyou just went through all this19700:12:23,220 --> 00:12:25,620getting set up with sending podpings and all that stuff. You19800:12:25,620 --> 00:12:26,700want to take a crack at that.19900:12:27,030 --> 00:12:32,010Sure thing. So if a podcasterwants to share their live stream20000:12:32,010 --> 00:12:35,340with every app, which is thebeauty of podcasting, you put it20100:12:35,340 --> 00:12:40,380in an RSS feed and becomesavailable everywhere. They need20200:12:40,380 --> 00:12:44,280to add a new tag podcasting 2.0tag called Live item to their20300:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,140feed. And then our servers parseout that information like20400:12:49,140 --> 00:12:54,600normal. And when we find thisfeed says a live stream is going20500:12:54,600 --> 00:13:01,950live. What Oh, I missed thisstep, pod Ping has to notify us20600:13:02,070 --> 00:13:06,660that the live stream went live.So pod paying sends a signal to20700:13:06,660 --> 00:13:11,190us that tells us to parse thefeed. And then we shoot off20800:13:11,190 --> 00:13:14,790notifications to every podcastapp that is subscribed to that20900:13:14,790 --> 00:13:15,360live stream.21000:13:16,080 --> 00:13:21,870Cool. Yeah. So that so Hey, onthe on the piping side, you got21100:13:21,870 --> 00:13:25,440set up, I'm guessing, I don'tknow if there's, I think Alex21200:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,430that you are not Brian, those,they set you up with some hive21300:13:29,430 --> 00:13:32,820posting keys. So you're notyou're not sending notifications21400:13:32,820 --> 00:13:36,660through pod bean dot cloud,because we are still on version,21500:13:37,230 --> 00:13:42,510point 0.3 of pod paying format.And the pod popping format. One21600:13:42,510 --> 00:13:46,260dot O is needed for the livenotifications. So you got you've21700:13:46,260 --> 00:13:52,620got the new hive watcher, excuseme hive writer, script, and your21800:13:52,620 --> 00:13:55,560own set of Hive posting key. Soyou're writing directly to hive,21900:13:55,560 --> 00:13:55,830right?22000:13:56,070 --> 00:14:00,060Yeah, correct. Alex has been ahuge help getting set up with22100:14:00,060 --> 00:14:06,510this. So we have our own podping writer running within our22200:14:06,510 --> 00:14:10,740server. And so podcasterscurrently go to our site and22300:14:10,740 --> 00:14:16,320click Start live stream. Andthat tells all podcasts apps22400:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,230that this podcast is going live.22500:14:20,190 --> 00:14:22,710So what does that look like onthe dashboard side? Like when22600:14:22,710 --> 00:14:23,670you go to22700:14:23,700 --> 00:14:28,410Excuse me? Can I just ask aquestion? So what exactly so I22800:14:28,410 --> 00:14:32,130issue a pod ping but Iunderstand that my pod ping is22900:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,110yesterday's news. And so rightnow as it as a as a bridge,23000:14:37,110 --> 00:14:41,040you've created a modern Newversion with the live pod ping23100:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,970that alerts that goes to podping and alerts all apps or just23200:14:45,000 --> 00:14:45,900pod verse.23300:14:46,469 --> 00:14:50,879Well, the apps who listen to podping get these notifications23400:14:50,879 --> 00:14:54,749okay, they just have to opt into be listening to pod ping. And23500:14:54,749 --> 00:14:57,629I guess my free app and RSS soshould be doing these days.23600:14:57,690 --> 00:15:01,650Right so my so my question isright Now I can, you're23700:15:01,650 --> 00:15:03,870graciously making thisavailable. But this should be23800:15:03,870 --> 00:15:07,260something that's available insovereign feed should have the23900:15:07,260 --> 00:15:10,470live pod ping, other than thepod ping I have now that24000:15:10,470 --> 00:15:10,980Correct?24100:15:11,070 --> 00:15:15,300Correct. Okay. So sovereignfeeds or any company that hosts24200:15:15,330 --> 00:15:18,810RSS feeds for podcasters shouldjust make this a simple input24300:15:18,930 --> 00:15:24,990and a drop down, like, here's mylive show description. My Status24400:15:24,990 --> 00:15:29,700is going live now. Hit Save, andthen they should handle all this24500:15:29,700 --> 00:15:32,550stuff on the back end, the usershouldn't even be aware of it.24600:15:33,690 --> 00:15:37,620I have a question about your, ingeneral, just the thinking about24700:15:37,620 --> 00:15:40,230this stuff. And since you're anapp developer, but I'd love to24800:15:40,230 --> 00:15:50,880ask every app developer we're inessence recreating YouTube. And24900:15:50,880 --> 00:15:56,310I say that because in general,podcasts that go live, the25000:15:56,310 --> 00:16:01,110majority are live to YouTube, oractually multiple sources, you25100:16:01,110 --> 00:16:05,010know, Rumble other backups,whatever they call them. And25200:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,480after that's done, and in ourcase, it's a little bit25300:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,360different. But with YouTube,then it's, you know, after a25400:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,650while, it appears as, as theuploaded, you know, the, you can25500:16:16,650 --> 00:16:20,100replay it, you can watch it asjust a YouTube episode. But it25600:16:20,100 --> 00:16:24,060has chat, and it has super chat,which is booster grams that25700:16:24,060 --> 00:16:29,550we're using. Haven't seen manyboosts by the way Hello. To me,25800:16:29,610 --> 00:16:34,440I should open up helipad, makesure I can hear him. So having25900:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,570that in mind, and I don't knowif you agree with what I'm26000:16:36,570 --> 00:16:39,000saying there. But that's kind ofhow it feels to me that this26100:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,350will be used more for video, infact, I think is a YouTube26200:16:43,350 --> 00:16:46,710killer with an open sourceYouTube killer with stuff that26300:16:46,710 --> 00:16:53,280we're doing. Have you considereda UX or UI change for a live26400:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,600item? Versus the kind oftraditional This is an episode?26500:16:58,830 --> 00:17:04,770View? Well, right now we fit itin with the current experience26600:17:04,770 --> 00:17:08,160of episode, but we make surelive goes to the top of the page26700:17:08,190 --> 00:17:13,440and is prominently there. Thatallows us to kind of seamlessly26800:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,220fitted in to what we havecurrently up. But I mean,26900:17:17,220 --> 00:17:21,660hypothetically, we could startlive dot pod verse.fm. And it27000:17:21,660 --> 00:17:25,950could be exclusively livestreams. We could just, you27100:17:25,950 --> 00:17:30,360know, select only that data forshows that are live streams into27200:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,610some. Yeah, that I mean,27300:17:32,730 --> 00:17:36,030well, that that so thatimmediately brings in, you kind27400:17:36,030 --> 00:17:39,810of walked into my trap. I wasn'teven expecting that. That that27500:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,560that brings up another thing. Idon't know if if you followed lb27600:17:44,970 --> 00:17:49,950Oh, yeah, I just talked to Bumi.And yeah, the German Gomorrah,27700:17:49,950 --> 00:17:51,030it's Wednesday,27800:17:51,060 --> 00:17:54,930right? To lovely German guys. Idon't know, um, but the German27900:17:54,930 --> 00:18:00,600guys, they're lovely. They areso close to basically having,28000:18:00,990 --> 00:18:05,850you know, a wallet for everybodyto easily use with, you know, a28100:18:05,850 --> 00:18:10,500web based version of any podcastapp, once they can, once they28200:18:10,500 --> 00:18:15,030identify, you know, so right nowthe identify the, what do you28300:18:15,030 --> 00:18:18,780call it? The, the address, thelightning address, and so they28400:18:18,780 --> 00:18:22,500understand, you know, they giveyou a lightning address. But28500:18:22,500 --> 00:18:25,260they if they see it on a pagewith a little lightning bolt,28600:18:25,260 --> 00:18:30,090then the extent the extensionthat is Alby recognizes that and28700:18:30,090 --> 00:18:32,490so you can you could do thepayment information pops up28800:18:32,490 --> 00:18:38,070immediately. I presume that ifwe gave them away to within with28900:18:38,070 --> 00:18:44,070whatever, you know, HTML or codethat you put into your page, an29000:18:44,070 --> 00:18:48,960identifier so they could pull upthe value block from the from29100:18:48,960 --> 00:18:55,050the index piece API, then theycould in essence become an you29200:18:55,050 --> 00:18:58,650know, we could onboard a lot ofpeople who already have an lb.29300:18:59,070 --> 00:19:02,970Wallet, right into podcasting.2.0. Does that make sense?29400:19:03,390 --> 00:19:07,320Yeah, that's my understanding.So if we integrate with lb,29500:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,610which would just be as simple onour end as putting some text29600:19:11,610 --> 00:19:14,970information in the file. Soright, just we don't have to29700:19:14,970 --> 00:19:18,660code anything complicated. Youliterally just take some V four29800:19:18,660 --> 00:19:23,100v tag information, rightembedded in your page. And then29900:19:23,100 --> 00:19:28,350their browser extension can grabthat information. And when you30000:19:28,350 --> 00:19:31,590pop open the browser extension,it'll just say, Hey, do you want30100:19:31,590 --> 00:19:32,970to send to this podcast?30200:19:32,999 --> 00:19:36,479So this is exciting to me?Because you remember, although30300:19:36,479 --> 00:19:39,839I'm still digging into thenumbers, you might remember 40%30400:19:39,839 --> 00:19:45,899of women listen to podcast juston the website. Yeah. What an30500:19:45,899 --> 00:19:50,339opportunity. And I'll just sayit again. It is my belief that30600:19:50,339 --> 00:19:54,989podcast apps have an incredibleopportunity to deliver30700:19:54,989 --> 00:19:59,009beautifully designed home pages.And I would I would give you a30800:19:59,009 --> 00:20:05,129split in my valuable Lock forthat. Because all the other30900:20:05,219 --> 00:20:11,519pages that generate a homepageand an episode page for RSS31000:20:11,519 --> 00:20:16,799feeds, they're all 1.0. It'slike in the buttons for for31100:20:16,799 --> 00:20:20,489iTunes and all that shit stuff Idon't want, you know, I want it31200:20:20,489 --> 00:20:23,639to be modern, I want it to, youknow, all of that should go away31300:20:23,639 --> 00:20:28,049or be done in a different way.And I would pay for that I would31400:20:28,049 --> 00:20:31,349I put a split in for it forthose services. And if that31500:20:31,349 --> 00:20:35,129could then automatically detectan lb wallet, big win.31600:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,330Yeah, well, I need to know moreabout the design requirements31700:20:42,330 --> 00:20:48,570for that. But this LD solutionwill be easy for anybody to add31800:20:48,570 --> 00:20:51,030to any page. So you know, thiswouldn't just be limited to31900:20:51,030 --> 00:20:55,350that, that like, I don't know,like feature page that you're32000:20:55,350 --> 00:20:58,950describing. I mean, this couldgo on anybody who wants to32100:20:58,950 --> 00:21:02,460enable podcasts and 2.0 valuetags.32200:21:03,330 --> 00:21:07,170I love that. I really do. Ithink that's it for some reason,32300:21:07,170 --> 00:21:10,080because they do key sem just gotI got really excited by it. And32400:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,230I was like, Okay, this would bean excellent way to just expose32500:21:13,230 --> 00:21:16,020more people to what we're doing.So I want to welcome the lb lb32600:21:16,020 --> 00:21:18,060guys to, you know, to the group.32700:21:23,580 --> 00:21:24,360They really are here.32800:21:24,390 --> 00:21:28,650Yes. No, no, we love them.Exactly.32900:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,180So you said I'll be doeslightning but yeah, just key33000:21:33,180 --> 00:21:38,460send mean keys. And I'm sorry,but yeah. Send not receive send.33100:21:39,630 --> 00:21:42,810Oh, send? Okay, so yeah, sowe're, because that was what I33200:21:42,810 --> 00:21:45,840was about to say we. So I wentdown the rabbit hole of working33300:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,970with Roy.33400:21:48,540 --> 00:21:53,970Good because I started with Royabout this. And then and he was33500:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,430explaining to me and said, well,it can be done. And I was like,33600:21:56,550 --> 00:21:59,220Man, you should talk to Dave. Soyou guys connected on this.33700:21:59,850 --> 00:22:03,120Yeah, it's funny because Ididn't even know that you were33800:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,330talking to him. And I was doingthis in sort of independently.33900:22:06,959 --> 00:22:10,409We take baby we've been marriedfor so long, you know that we34000:22:10,409 --> 00:22:11,309think the same34100:22:11,939 --> 00:22:15,329thing. Now we're gonna you know,those old old couples have been34200:22:15,329 --> 00:22:17,939married for like 40 years, itstarted to look a lot. Oh, yeah,34300:22:17,969 --> 00:22:23,279is that I'm gonna start gettingkiller hair really quick. Okay.34400:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,289But the US like I was talking toyou, you know, I mentioned it to34500:22:28,289 --> 00:22:33,029you and then started and then Iwent and posted an issue about34600:22:33,029 --> 00:22:38,999this because the lightningaddress stuff is great. Like34700:22:38,999 --> 00:22:42,359Ellen URL, the lightning addresspart of Ellen URL or with34800:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,179layered on top of it is great.But it doesn't let you in the34900:22:48,179 --> 00:22:51,599background what it does when yougo to when you take a well,35000:22:52,109 --> 00:22:53,999let's see. Let us go tolightning address real quick.35100:22:54,989 --> 00:22:58,379Lightning address is basicallyin it looks like an email35200:22:58,379 --> 00:23:03,899address. So you'd have like Daveat podcaster wallet.com. And35300:23:03,899 --> 00:23:07,049then what you do is you take inwe talked about this with Oscar35400:23:07,049 --> 00:23:10,619last week, you take that thingthat looks like an email address35500:23:10,619 --> 00:23:14,249and flip it around and then goto pod that becomes a URL.35600:23:14,279 --> 00:23:19,769Right? Right, right. HTTP as youknow, slash last podcaster35700:23:19,769 --> 00:23:26,879wallet.com/dot Well dash knownslash. And then it's like an ln35800:23:26,879 --> 00:23:28,079URL P35900:23:28,170 --> 00:23:33,540B. That's that's the trickypart. Are ln URL P for ln URL?36000:23:33,540 --> 00:23:38,130Pe? Yeah, that's the part thatwould need to get Kishen. And so36100:23:38,190 --> 00:23:41,100it's not quite as simple hookingup to your own node.36200:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,530Yeah, because when you gothrough that same what's36300:23:43,530 --> 00:23:47,160happening on the back end is theURL in your is l and URL is36400:23:47,160 --> 00:23:53,430generating an invoice. Yep. Andgiving it back on that URL. So36500:23:53,430 --> 00:23:59,010what what's needed is a way forthere to be is it for, for those36600:23:59,010 --> 00:24:03,900well known URLs to be resolved,and then give you back a static,36700:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,890very much like a value block.Just give you back a set of36800:24:08,220 --> 00:24:13,530static payment. information. Sowe're working through that on36900:24:13,530 --> 00:24:19,560the telegram group, Roy and theguys in there, I'm not I've just37000:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,290met these guys, I'm not superfamiliar with what all roles37100:24:22,290 --> 00:24:26,400they play. But they what, whatit is looking like is there's37200:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,910going to be instead of insteadof just my original proposal,37300:24:32,910 --> 00:24:36,090which was taking in adding thestatic payment information as an37400:24:36,090 --> 00:24:41,460alt as part of the object returnfor the URL and URL p. Now,37500:24:41,700 --> 00:24:44,370what's going to happen isthere'll be an alternative dot37600:24:44,370 --> 00:24:49,860well known URL scheme. So you'llhave a that day that podcaster37700:24:49,860 --> 00:24:55,590wallet.com will become podcasterwallet.com/dot. Well known slash37800:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,960key send slash DAVE Yes,exactly. That's what you want,37900:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,670that will hand back the static,just a note, a name, a node38000:25:05,670 --> 00:25:08,760address, and potentially customkey custom value so that you can38100:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,170do routing to a custodialwallet. That once we get that38200:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,800nailed down in, in, in, inplace, yeah, this gets a lot.38300:25:19,830 --> 00:25:23,370Now listen to this next bit howthis shit all fits together.38400:25:23,850 --> 00:25:30,720Alright, so I get the updatenotification from Umbral. Right?38500:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720And I'm always excited aboutthat. Like, let's see what they38600:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,190did, first of all want to see ifthey've updated the helipad,38700:25:38,580 --> 00:25:45,750which appears to have and thenthere's always new apps. Well38800:25:45,750 --> 00:25:52,740tie perfect. And what shows upIPFS podcasting decentralized38900:25:52,740 --> 00:26:00,330podcast distribution over IPFS.And yeah, so we're so close to39000:26:00,330 --> 00:26:03,270putting all these piecestogether. So it appears the way39100:26:03,270 --> 00:26:10,740they do it is you create aseparate feed initially, to load39200:26:10,740 --> 00:26:14,130everything into the IPFSnetwork. And then you you can39300:26:14,130 --> 00:26:23,130use a a gateway for your regularRSS feed. It sounds a little39400:26:23,130 --> 00:26:27,030convoluted, but the way I what Ilooked at their FAQ and there's39500:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,060there's no contact information.I wish there was a guy wanted to39600:26:30,060 --> 00:26:34,170get in touch with him. We'llfind him. I think this is the39700:26:34,170 --> 00:26:39,930alternate enclosure use case.Yeah. I mean, this makes so much39800:26:39,930 --> 00:26:43,200sense. And it's right in theumbrella. Now you get into39900:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,810something pretty interesting.You're starting to put a nice40000:26:45,810 --> 00:26:46,950little box together.40100:26:48,270 --> 00:26:56,040Yeah. Now, what I see is ahumongous, like, truck size40200:26:56,070 --> 00:27:03,870basket of scissors is what thisthis is, this is more scissors40300:27:03,870 --> 00:27:10,230than you would find at a HobbyLobby. I mean, we can't even get40400:27:10,230 --> 00:27:15,450lost off the ground. Trying totroubleshoot caching on IPFS40500:27:15,510 --> 00:27:20,700I've been down the IPFS road. Ithurts. Well, bad.40600:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,340I think I'm gonna sharpen up apair. And I'm gonna I'm gonna40700:27:23,340 --> 00:27:26,790take a walk down that road justto see how it feels. I can't40800:27:26,790 --> 00:27:27,630help myself.40900:27:28,410 --> 00:27:33,660Mitch, do you? Do you know orwant or love or hate IPFS?41000:27:34,980 --> 00:27:37,710I don't know much about it otherthan conceptually that it's41100:27:38,340 --> 00:27:42,720like, it's unsensibledistributed content.41200:27:44,400 --> 00:27:51,750It's, it's like a DHT for files.A humongous glugging global DHT41300:27:51,750 --> 00:27:55,110for files. And then you can seeyou can I couldn't tell you what41400:27:55,140 --> 00:28:00,300DHT means? Like, yeah, yeah, Iapproach things from more of a41500:28:00,300 --> 00:28:04,500user experience. And then I likecobbled together some code.41600:28:06,330 --> 00:28:09,330This is good. So let me tell youthe user experience. I haven't41700:28:09,330 --> 00:28:16,110Umbral and I'm actually thinkingheli pad does this heli pad pops41800:28:16,110 --> 00:28:19,410up a different homescreen maybethe first time it says you can41900:28:19,410 --> 00:28:23,310podcast all right from this boxand has a link to sovereign42000:28:23,310 --> 00:28:28,530feed. And then you record yourshit. And then you go to your42100:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,450browser with sovereign feeds andthen somehow it automatically42200:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,020uploads the mp3 file justrecorded from the computer42300:28:37,020 --> 00:28:44,280you're on it puts it on your ownbro puts it on IPFS does a live42400:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,850pod pay whatever does all thesedifferent things gets you all42500:28:47,850 --> 00:28:52,980set up on the value block. Yourfeed is immediately entirely 2.042600:28:52,980 --> 00:28:57,000enabled. Then there you have itpodcasting in a box with money42700:28:57,630 --> 00:29:02,220washes your hair put some putJulie on your feet. Yeah,42800:29:02,250 --> 00:29:05,520I'm just telling you this is anavenue and it's it's no42900:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,360different from Castor pod, justdifferent version different you43000:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,720know, different pieces actually.All of this might fit in43100:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,780perfectly I don't know. I just Iand I agree with you about the43200:29:15,780 --> 00:29:20,370IPFS stuff. We've had nothingbut heartache. But this is43300:29:20,370 --> 00:29:24,600working for somebody somehow andit feels like is it for the ICL43400:29:24,630 --> 00:29:28,470for for I get the newsletter,I'm always reading it. And for43500:29:28,470 --> 00:29:32,550the IPFS diehards. I think itworks just as well as lightning43600:29:32,550 --> 00:29:33,570does for us.43700:29:34,590 --> 00:29:37,680Yeah, that's a good that'sactually a really good analogy.43800:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,070That's actually a pretty goodanalogy because like yeah, if43900:29:41,070 --> 00:29:44,280you get off your fencenewsletter, the world's great44000:29:44,340 --> 00:29:49,440yeah. Holman. I mean, people youknow, people are landing on the44100:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,980moon It's44200:29:50,010 --> 00:29:52,650also well, it's not thatdifferent. If you look at the44300:29:52,650 --> 00:29:54,900lightning labs, PR releases, youknow,44400:29:55,530 --> 00:29:58,110you just ignore the all thefailed payments and just keep44500:29:58,110 --> 00:29:58,950moving on. Yeah,44600:29:58,980 --> 00:30:02,040we're gonna work I have abeautiful world, we're going to44700:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,050be transporting stablecoin Oh,that'd be backed by Luna by any44800:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,870chance because that's worthnothing now.44900:30:10,380 --> 00:30:16,350Can you please explain to mewhat? What happened? I know you45000:30:16,350 --> 00:30:19,530understand it more than I do.Because what means there's some45100:30:19,530 --> 00:30:23,700stable coin that went from likea buck apiece down to zero. What45200:30:23,700 --> 00:30:24,600happened this week?45300:30:24,930 --> 00:30:30,420Okay. Roy and I even talkedabout this and Roy's like, I45400:30:30,420 --> 00:30:31,950don't know. Okay, thanks, Roy45500:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,200makes me feel better, because Idon't know he's45600:30:35,220 --> 00:30:39,840so stable coins. The idea isthey're pegged to a fiat45700:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,830currency, which means, insteadof selling your as an example,45800:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,940if you wanted to buy, you've gotBitcoin, you want to buy some45900:30:47,970 --> 00:30:51,420ether. Now you can do a directtrade, but maybe you just want46000:30:51,420 --> 00:30:54,150to keep it in dollars for a bitbecause the market, if you're a46100:30:54,150 --> 00:30:56,280trader, this is all abouttrading stuff, if the markets46200:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,620volatile, or there are otherscenarios for stable coins, then46300:31:01,650 --> 00:31:05,520you can exchange it for a stablecoin, which will be just like $146400:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,170Only, there's no, there's nopossibly no capital gains, hey,46500:31:10,170 --> 00:31:12,900there's all kinds of reasons tokind of keep it in this digital46600:31:12,900 --> 00:31:17,160realm. And the ideas, the stablecoin is about $1, it might be46700:31:17,160 --> 00:31:24,75099.9999 for a minute, and someactually will go 1.01. And this46800:31:24,750 --> 00:31:28,830is done in many ways. But themost important thing is it has46900:31:28,830 --> 00:31:33,600to be backed by something incase people want to cash out the47000:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,090stable coin into dollars. Sotypically, that's done by huge47100:31:39,150 --> 00:31:43,920hedge fund type deals, they'vegot billions of dollars. And,47200:31:43,950 --> 00:31:46,710you know, they may in which theymay have some, this is the this47300:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,910was the problem with the tether,you know, some may be backed by47400:31:50,910 --> 00:31:56,190some securities and not justpure cash. And then there's ways47500:31:56,190 --> 00:32:01,920that they can manage the supplyof the stable coin, to keep that47600:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,390peg in place. So they're doingit by expanding or contracting47700:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,790the supply as far as Iunderstand.47800:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,740And who is de is that the,47900:32:11,760 --> 00:32:19,380the company that owns the stablecoin. So in, in us t Tara USD48000:32:19,380 --> 00:32:25,110the stable coin, it was backedby Luna, which was a, you know,48100:32:25,620 --> 00:32:34,530another altcoin I won't use theS word. And something happened,48200:32:34,710 --> 00:32:40,470because the Luna as far as Iunderstand, there was backing of48300:32:40,470 --> 00:32:45,270the Luna by Bitcoin. So whenBitcoin started to go down, they48400:32:45,270 --> 00:32:48,510couldn't really liquidate fastenough or enough to have enough48500:32:48,510 --> 00:32:54,210cash to prop up the the Lunacoin. And on top of that, the48600:32:54,210 --> 00:32:58,560Terra the the way they managetheir supply. So basically48700:32:58,590 --> 00:33:01,800minting new tokens or burningthem, destroying them was48800:33:01,830 --> 00:33:06,510algorithmically done. So theyhad an algo that was supposed to48900:33:06,510 --> 00:33:10,170keep this going and somethinghappened. And we'll find out49000:33:10,170 --> 00:33:15,390eventually, in general, though,this has far reaching49100:33:15,420 --> 00:33:20,520consequences. It's not really alaughing matter. And stable coin49200:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,270by itself, in my opinion, needsto be regulated or outlawed49300:33:24,270 --> 00:33:28,110because it's really inflationaryto the US dollar. I mean, it's49400:33:28,110 --> 00:33:31,050okay with me from a Bitcoinperspective. Go ahead, you know,49500:33:31,050 --> 00:33:34,080create more eventually, we'llsee what happens in the end. I49600:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,870have my beliefs, but I don'tthink that's really a good thing49700:33:36,870 --> 00:33:41,010for the US dollar. So thatexplained anything. Did that49800:33:41,010 --> 00:33:42,060explain anything?49900:33:42,450 --> 00:33:46,260Yeah, no, that explained itperfectly. Janet Yellen. Agree.50000:33:46,320 --> 00:33:46,590And I,50100:33:46,950 --> 00:33:50,100and I couldn't be yes, it was aboard needed attack to,50200:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,490like, also possible. Yeah,that's also possible. Somebody50300:33:53,490 --> 00:33:53,730may50400:33:53,730 --> 00:33:57,330have accumulated all of this andthen deliberately dumped it on50500:33:57,330 --> 00:34:01,350the market. And that, then thePeg, Yeah, value with other50600:34:01,350 --> 00:34:04,170assets could hold anymore. Andthat just became cascading50700:34:04,170 --> 00:34:08,280failure, down to, I think, point0003 cents right now.50800:34:08,340 --> 00:34:11,790Yeah. And we're gonna see moreof these horrible things happen50900:34:11,820 --> 00:34:17,460as across the board. I mean, I'ma believer, I hear the World51000:34:17,490 --> 00:34:20,400Economic Forum. They say thegreat reset, I believe them51100:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,440because there's been too muchthat's happening that makes51200:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,720sense in that regard. And whenApple lost 20% This week, okay,51300:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,480that was the last company thatreally was holding on to51400:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,440something. So we're going intosome form of negative economic51500:34:35,490 --> 00:34:40,170spiral, or perhaps a recession,who knows? And it's all just51600:34:40,170 --> 00:34:44,190terms, but the cheap money isgone. And that's what happens51700:34:44,190 --> 00:34:48,030when the Federal Reserve raisesinterest rates. So that's what51800:34:48,030 --> 00:34:51,360slows down house prices becauseNo, I got a mortgage at just51900:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,180under 3%. Now you can't get oneunder five.52000:34:55,590 --> 00:34:57,750Then that happened quick. Thathappened very, very.52100:34:58,980 --> 00:35:03,120The 10 year The interest ratehas doubled in just four months.52200:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,120I mean, so there's a lot goingon. But what that mainly means52300:35:06,300 --> 00:35:11,220is that no more cheap money, nomore cheap money means, well,52400:35:11,460 --> 00:35:15,810where do you see it happenfirst? Netflix? Why? Because52500:35:15,810 --> 00:35:18,450they could just get all thecheap money because shit was52600:35:18,450 --> 00:35:21,090just growing. And then when theeconomy slows down a little bit52700:35:21,090 --> 00:35:23,700as people start to make choices,particularly when the markets52800:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,640saturated, well, you know,Netflix hasn't really done all52900:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,240that much for me, I like MarvelCinematic Universe, so I get my53000:35:30,240 --> 00:35:35,280Disney plus, and maybe I'll haveHulu. I'm not, I don't think53100:35:35,940 --> 00:35:38,460that people will easily go backto the advertise the53200:35:38,460 --> 00:35:41,850interruptive advertising model,which is, in fact, Netflix's53300:35:41,850 --> 00:35:44,580strategy to get out of this,because people have been53400:35:44,580 --> 00:35:49,350spoiled. So not only is itmoney, that's cheap like that,53500:35:49,350 --> 00:35:53,010but money that's cheap forcompanies, for marketing, that's53600:35:53,010 --> 00:35:55,950the first place your moneyalways gets cut. The budgets are53700:35:55,950 --> 00:35:59,280always cut in marketing,advertising, advertising,53800:35:59,310 --> 00:36:02,310everything. And I know a lot ofpeople in advertising and53900:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,160marketing, they're they'refiring entire teams, because the54000:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,880clients are cutting backbudgets. And then so you've I54100:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,460mean that now you see thespiral. Now you got people out54200:36:11,460 --> 00:36:14,430of work, and all these thingsstarted to happen. So when I54300:36:14,430 --> 00:36:18,900also hear about some magicalnumber of podcast advertising54400:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,460being at $1.4 billion over 22years, I'm sorry, there's a54500:36:23,460 --> 00:36:29,370couple things one, where's themoney going? Who's getting this?54600:36:29,700 --> 00:36:35,070I mean, I Heart Radio 65million. Okay, that's not even54700:36:35,070 --> 00:36:39,300near a portion of the big money.And I think most of this is54800:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,750just, it's, I mean, I'd have toreally delve into the numbers,54900:36:42,750 --> 00:36:47,280but I don't believe that there's$101.4 billion roaming around55000:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,710podcasting. And that 85% of thatis programmatic ad insertions. I55100:36:52,740 --> 00:36:56,490just have a hard time believingit. But regardless, it's a55200:36:56,490 --> 00:37:00,270trailing indicator. It's atrailing indicator of a55300:37:00,270 --> 00:37:06,030different year. And I don'tthink you're going to see good55400:37:06,030 --> 00:37:08,490news coming out of podcasts isgoing to be the first place55500:37:08,490 --> 00:37:09,240they'll cut.55600:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,890I would like to companies55700:37:13,890 --> 00:37:18,720looking at Oh, sorry. No, nohidden Mitch. I was gonna say55800:37:18,750 --> 00:37:22,590any large companies trying toget into podcasting, seeing it55900:37:22,590 --> 00:37:26,310as a potential cash cow aren'tjust in for disappointment.56000:37:26,340 --> 00:37:27,000That's another56100:37:26,999 --> 00:37:30,629thing is no one's making anyprofit. Spotify is not making56200:37:30,629 --> 00:37:33,119profit, I Heart Radio, notmaking profit, no one's56300:37:33,119 --> 00:37:33,779profiting.56400:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,250Right. And what podcasting isgood for is, you as an56500:37:38,250 --> 00:37:41,910individual or a small group,want to reach your audience56600:37:41,910 --> 00:37:46,560directly, as directly aspossible. And then you build a56700:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,340relationship with them. And thenthey, out of their own choice56800:37:50,340 --> 00:37:53,400basically decide to support youeither through getting your56900:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,660premium content may be able toget advertisers involved, but57000:37:57,690 --> 00:38:02,160the idea of a giant corporationbeing able to make revenue to57100:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,860their satisfaction, you know, aspublicly traded companies with57200:38:04,860 --> 00:38:08,760billions of dollars, I don't seeit happening. You know, Facebook57300:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,930scrapped their plans after ayear. Yeah, those57400:38:12,930 --> 00:38:15,540guys know that you they can'tmake money with you can't57500:38:15,540 --> 00:38:18,060monetize the network. Theyfigured it out real quick that57600:38:18,060 --> 00:38:20,760like, this is not going to workfor us. And it's going to be a57700:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,370pain in the ass becauseeveryone's going after57800:38:23,370 --> 00:38:26,460podcasters because you know,they're the disinformation the57900:38:26,460 --> 00:38:28,080mega disinformation giants.58000:38:28,649 --> 00:38:32,909Well, this, this fits it. I'dlike to have the board's58100:38:32,909 --> 00:38:34,199attention for a moment. Okay,58200:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,190hold on a second. Dave Jones podsage has the talking stick.58300:38:38,610 --> 00:38:42,750Port a point of personalprivilege. I would like to speak58400:38:42,750 --> 00:38:44,340momentarily about brand safety.58500:38:44,550 --> 00:38:47,850brand safety is on the table soseconded and move okay.58600:38:49,890 --> 00:38:53,940You know, the thing that Tom,Tom Webster was interviewed on58700:38:53,940 --> 00:38:59,040pod land yesterday, and I heardas a as a general rule, I don't58800:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,880usually play potluck clips. ButI brought some today and I mean,58900:39:03,810 --> 00:39:07,380Tom Webster. He seems like nicedude. I've never met him but59000:39:08,370 --> 00:39:10,920none of this is a criticism withhim. I mean, he's seems like a59100:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,170fine guys ad, you know,Advertising Research guy.59200:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,440He's a radio guy. He's an oldtime radio guy.59300:39:16,530 --> 00:39:22,500Yeah. So you know, you can gointo he's talking in this first59400:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,120clip about hearing Todd Cochranshow for the first time and that59500:39:27,450 --> 00:39:30,360that's what attracted himinitially not Do you want to59600:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,820explain who he is? He just can'the was from Edison Research and59700:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,600led a lot of their researchefforts on radio and podcasting59800:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,330and I think other types of mediatoo but sure, those two for59900:39:42,330 --> 00:39:46,140sure. And then he just left andwent over to join Brian60000:39:46,140 --> 00:39:47,460Barletta, which soundsprofitable.60100:39:47,789 --> 00:39:51,299Now is sounds profitable. IsCridland, also a partner in60200:39:51,299 --> 00:39:51,599that?60300:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,720I don't really understand therelationship. James will have to60400:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,940explain that but I mean, Ithought they were all part of60500:39:56,940 --> 00:39:57,540the same. That's60600:39:57,539 --> 00:40:00,239what I thought too. I tried tolook the other day couldn't60700:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,899figure it out.60800:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,040Yeah, it's, I mean, I think hisI think it all comes from the60900:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,500same newsletter generatorbecause they all right, they all61000:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,620have the same format. Right.But, um, but I think sounds61100:40:10,620 --> 00:40:17,790profitable started as a as animprint of, of pod pod news.61200:40:18,270 --> 00:40:23,760Right? Yeah. But I could havethat all wrong. Anyway, he, you61300:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,000know, he's, he's talking aboutTodd Cochran show geek news,61400:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,180central being way, way backbeing the first show that he61500:40:30,180 --> 00:40:33,960heard, and what attracted him toit in this first61600:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,290clip? Yeah, it's geek NewsCentral podcast Hall of Famer,61700:40:37,290 --> 00:40:40,170Todd Cochran. I'm pretty surethat was the first podcast that61800:40:40,170 --> 00:40:42,270I discovered, and it was reallyearly days, it's probably the61900:40:42,270 --> 00:40:46,710very end of 2004. And Todd wasjust getting started. But he was62000:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,770talking about things that youweren't going to hear on62100:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,890broadcast radio. And at thattime, a lot of my portfolio was62200:40:52,890 --> 00:40:53,940broadcast radio, and62300:40:55,289 --> 00:40:58,739yeah, so what what he's sayingbrought, you know, interested in62400:40:58,739 --> 00:41:01,529him and got him sort of hookedinto podcasting was this idea62500:41:01,529 --> 00:41:05,339that what he heard, he's like,I'm hearing stuff on podcast62600:41:05,339 --> 00:41:08,849that you can't hear inmainstream media. That was the62700:41:08,849 --> 00:41:12,239thing that brought him in. Andthat's the thing that brings a62800:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,469lot of people in because youfeel like you're getting a62900:41:16,469 --> 00:41:21,929chance to hear people as theyreally are, or maybe views about63000:41:21,929 --> 00:41:26,279things that you didn't get didor more sanitized and curated on63100:41:26,279 --> 00:41:30,149mainstream media. For a lot ofpeople. That's a big draw. And63200:41:30,149 --> 00:41:35,249evidently, it was for him to andthat, then that leads them to63300:41:35,249 --> 00:41:42,089this discussion of advertisingin that net prediction this63400:41:42,089 --> 00:41:45,509week. That was like, I don'tknow, but 2024 $44 billion.63500:41:46,919 --> 00:41:51,749Yeah. So he's got he's what'sfunny about this is he like, he63600:41:51,749 --> 00:41:54,119totally walks away from that.He's like, he's like, I'm not63700:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,479touching that with a 10 footpole. It No, he, he's not going63800:41:57,479 --> 00:42:01,139near that prediction. Instead,instead, he starts talking about63900:42:01,139 --> 00:42:04,559the barriers to money flowinginto podcasting and clip to64000:42:04,829 --> 00:42:09,119talking of advertising. We'regetting to see the IAB64100:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,509advertising the sixth annualreport saying that the next64200:42:12,509 --> 00:42:15,239couple of years, certainly by2024, we're going to see a four64300:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,049fold increase in the revenuesfrom podcasting. Is that64400:42:19,049 --> 00:42:22,589something that you will singEdison as well as that growth in64500:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,079brands coming to podcasting,64600:42:25,829 --> 00:42:28,889it's still got a ways to catchup. And I'm not a big64700:42:28,889 --> 00:42:32,609forecaster, my career has beenbased on describing the present64800:42:32,609 --> 00:42:36,029day, as accurate as I can. So Idon't know that it's going to64900:42:36,029 --> 00:42:39,689increase fourfold. I know thatwon't happen by itself. And65000:42:40,019 --> 00:42:43,529that's something that Brian andI are going to be very focused65100:42:43,529 --> 00:42:47,609on that sounds profitable, is toremove as many obstacles as we65200:42:47,609 --> 00:42:51,089can to those dollars gettinginto podcasting, because right65300:42:51,089 --> 00:42:55,679now, if you look at the dollarsflowing into podcasting, versus65400:42:55,679 --> 00:42:59,279the dollars flowing intobroadcast radio, and you compare65500:42:59,279 --> 00:43:03,179the listening to the topodcasting is still punching way65600:43:03,179 --> 00:43:06,719below its weight I saw, I Hart'srevenues were announced this65700:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,319week. And podcasting was Ithink, 8% of their overall65800:43:10,319 --> 00:43:13,049revenue. Maybe that should behigher, right. I don't think65900:43:13,049 --> 00:43:18,179revenues are going up and radio.So I think it will get there. I66000:43:18,179 --> 00:43:20,999don't know the timeline that itwill get there, but it will get66100:43:20,999 --> 00:43:25,379there when some of the obstaclesto monetizing all of podcasting,66200:43:25,469 --> 00:43:28,679I think are removed and and theway is smoothed.66300:43:30,450 --> 00:43:38,640Yeah. I see a lot of money goinginto brands pod brand66400:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,360podcasting. I wonder if that'sgetting counted. I see like lots66500:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,760of money going to sportspodcasting. Is that a fair66600:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,720representation of adverts quoteunquote, advertising money going66700:43:51,720 --> 00:43:56,160into podcasting or as anextension of a brand that as I66800:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,200think you're pointing out, isreally not what a lot of people66900:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,380like about podcasting becauseit's an extension of an existing67000:44:04,410 --> 00:44:12,060entertainment product in an in ain the traditional system. Does67100:44:12,060 --> 00:44:14,700that makes sense? Dave? MutedDave.67200:44:16,440 --> 00:44:23,940Oh, um, that back crap. Pulled aMitch. Yeah. Sorry, Mitch. That67300:44:23,940 --> 00:44:24,120was67400:44:24,869 --> 00:44:28,439it. Just Just so you guys know.I mean, the noise gate keeps out67500:44:28,439 --> 00:44:30,929a lot. And we heard your dogbarking tape. It's okay. It's67600:44:30,929 --> 00:44:31,319cute.67700:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,700Oh, well, no, I agree. I mean,this you're talking about like67800:44:35,850 --> 00:44:38,430ESPN launches. 10 podcasts.Well,67900:44:38,429 --> 00:44:42,209even even the NBA has their ownpodcast series, I believe.68000:44:42,510 --> 00:44:45,150Yeah, then so you then you'reselling to advertisers. You say68100:44:45,270 --> 00:44:47,430oh, you're gonna buy you'regonna buy our TV you also have68200:44:47,430 --> 00:44:48,450to buy podcasts.68300:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,990Yeah, that's that's how Spotifydoes it with their deals. Well,68400:44:51,990 --> 00:44:55,140you know you have to buy JoeRogan if you want to even buy68500:44:55,140 --> 00:44:56,460anything on our network.68600:44:57,690 --> 00:45:01,530You know, when the thing that Istarted Thinking about actually68700:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,600turn the turn the intervieweroff started thinking about68800:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,960because he talks about loweringthe barriers, that lowering the68900:45:06,960 --> 00:45:13,290obstacles to to money flowinginto podcasting. And69000:45:13,379 --> 00:45:15,089some money just flowed intopodcasts.69100:45:18,420 --> 00:45:22,230And, and that's that got methinking, turn it off. I thought69200:45:22,230 --> 00:45:24,360about that for a minute. Becausethat was that was an interesting69300:45:24,750 --> 00:45:30,810description. And I think that wehave this, I think there's a69400:45:30,810 --> 00:45:33,660milieu, the you know, yourfavorite or your favorite word69500:45:33,660 --> 00:45:43,230now move you million of you thatthese ideas that permeate our69600:45:43,230 --> 00:45:47,580frame of reference, or thataren't really, they're rarely69700:45:47,580 --> 00:45:54,750spoken, or sometimes not spokenat all. But I hate to say taken69800:45:54,750 --> 00:45:58,740for granted. Because it's not,it's not really a great phrase.69900:45:58,740 --> 00:46:02,280But there's there are things atwork that we take for granted70000:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,760that we take for granted andbecome comfortable with as as an70100:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,170ideas as a part of the ideas setwithin the thing that we're70200:46:10,170 --> 00:46:12,990involved in. And podcasting isno different. You know, it's70300:46:12,990 --> 00:46:18,420similar to something likefreedoms or something like free70400:46:18,420 --> 00:46:23,520speech. People within the quoteunquote free speech, community,70500:46:24,270 --> 00:46:30,090free speech zone, space, space,free speech space, if free70600:46:30,090 --> 00:46:31,590speech absolutist70700:46:31,710 --> 00:46:36,150absolute Yes, yes. And peoplewho care about that I would70800:46:36,150 --> 00:46:41,670count myself as one of them. Weassumed things, like, one thing70900:46:41,670 --> 00:46:47,160you might assume is, is thateveryone who is is giving their71000:46:47,250 --> 00:46:52,980their ideas publicly believesthey're true, that that might be71100:46:52,980 --> 00:46:56,670a thing that you share, and itis unspoken, and we all just71200:46:56,700 --> 00:47:00,540sort of take it for granted. Andso then our frame of reference71300:47:00,570 --> 00:47:04,530then becomes influenced by thatwhere we think okay out, because71400:47:04,530 --> 00:47:09,360we think that people are justhonestly trying to speak their71500:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,400the thing that they think istrue. outlawing that thing is,71600:47:15,030 --> 00:47:19,470is unconscionable, becauseyou're criminalizing even though71700:47:19,470 --> 00:47:22,890they might be wrong, you'recriminalizing being wrong. These71800:47:22,890 --> 00:47:29,190things begin to they permeateyour, your, your your group or71900:47:29,190 --> 00:47:36,240your milieu, and did and thenyou but they're not spoken out72000:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,790loud. And I think that'ssomething similar is going on72100:47:38,790 --> 00:47:42,600here. Sort of like what goes inand own in a newsroom where you72200:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,440just sort of pick up over timethis, okay, you don't you don't72300:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,050report on this sort of thing, oryou do report on this sort of72400:47:49,050 --> 00:47:51,990thing. Or when you do report onthis thing. You you say these72500:47:51,990 --> 00:47:52,470phrases72600:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,820or or anything that goes wrongin the United States is Trump's72700:47:56,820 --> 00:48:01,950fault. Yes. previousadministration. Yeah. And72800:48:01,950 --> 00:48:05,520you say it out loud, you know,in because everybody else is72900:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,320doing it that way. is I thinksomething similar is going on?73000:48:10,380 --> 00:48:14,670Yes. I think that's rearrangingthe deck chairs on the Titanic.73100:48:15,449 --> 00:48:20,609Yeah, it's in what is theunspoken thing is brand safety?73200:48:20,639 --> 00:48:26,429Yes. In the brand safety is theobstacle that I think that he's73300:48:26,429 --> 00:48:30,149talking about. And I'm not surethat he even is aware that he's73400:48:30,149 --> 00:48:31,439talking about that thing.73500:48:31,469 --> 00:48:36,209Well, okay, so thank you forbringing this up. All that money73600:48:36,209 --> 00:48:40,409that is being spent onpodcasting is going into in many73700:48:40,409 --> 00:48:44,009cases is going and this willalso start to dry up with the73800:48:44,009 --> 00:48:48,059cheap, free money being free,cheap to free money being gone.73900:48:48,059 --> 00:48:55,289Now. There are some podcasts whothat cost $1,000 $2,000 $5,00074000:48:55,289 --> 00:49:01,409to make. And the only way youget that back is by assuming74100:49:01,769 --> 00:49:05,129I'll use the password in thiscase, assuming that there's74200:49:05,129 --> 00:49:08,519going to be advertising forthat. And that may be for a few74300:49:08,519 --> 00:49:13,049shows. But it you know, I don'tcare what the Obama said. I74400:49:13,049 --> 00:49:15,599believe Spotify cut them loosebecause they had no way to74500:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,469monetize them. People just trulywere not interested in listening74600:49:19,469 --> 00:49:22,679to what they had to say, orthose particular productions.74700:49:22,979 --> 00:49:26,249I've never seen well in the verybeginning. Oh, it's number one.74800:49:26,459 --> 00:49:29,429Michelle Obama's podcast butthen it was like, Oh, now every74900:49:29,429 --> 00:49:32,759app can use it because you know,it's important message no is75000:49:32,759 --> 00:49:35,489because you needed reach foryour advertisers, which was tied75100:49:35,489 --> 00:49:39,779in Downey or whatever. Sorry,Mitch. Hey, are you related?75200:49:42,389 --> 00:49:44,819We don't have anyadvertisements. It's not us75300:49:45,030 --> 00:49:46,110pod verse pods.75400:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,030So so there's this this verytypical Hollywood type vibe of75500:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,620and I put Cleveland and youknow, the pod land and the75600:49:55,650 --> 00:49:58,530Bartlett I put them all in thatkind of that category, because75700:49:58,530 --> 00:50:03,540what they report on all day Ongis big names, reasonably big75800:50:03,540 --> 00:50:07,230names, big media companiescreating new podcasts, all kinds75900:50:07,230 --> 00:50:11,490of great different genres and inall kinds of things that are not76000:50:11,490 --> 00:50:13,800cheap, because these people aregetting at least the host.76100:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,170They're getting paid. There'slots of money that's gone into76200:50:16,170 --> 00:50:20,520this. And what we see is no oneis profiting from it yet. So76300:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,560they're in this flywheel oflook, I got a job now. And now I76400:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,450don't know anyone's situation,personally. But I just question76500:50:30,480 --> 00:50:37,950if, if you can keep creatingbig, anything over $5 is big to76600:50:37,950 --> 00:50:40,230me. You know what I mean?That's,76700:50:40,259 --> 00:50:43,589that's why I bring it that's whyI bring it up is because I feel76800:50:43,589 --> 00:50:47,789like I think that that is themilieu that permeates through a76900:50:47,789 --> 00:50:52,769lot of the podcasting press. Andso they they talk about these77000:50:52,769 --> 00:50:56,339things with met, perhaps noteven realizing what's really77100:50:56,339 --> 00:50:59,579going on under the surface. Thelanguage is there.77200:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,579And that's the only stuff thatwill get any advertising is the77300:51:02,579 --> 00:51:07,559completely brand safe, scripted,be upfront presented. Everybody77400:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,559know, this is grow. These arevery serious people. You know,77500:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,859there's never going to be an Fbomb or something controversial77600:51:13,859 --> 00:51:16,559and of course, that stillhappened. See any show from77700:51:16,559 --> 00:51:22,289gimlet? Right. It's it'sunavoidable, and advertisers shy77800:51:22,289 --> 00:51:23,819away from that you're so right.77900:51:24,210 --> 00:51:26,970And here's the here's thekicker. Let me bring it home. So78000:51:26,970 --> 00:51:32,790clip three. He's Sam asked him aquestion. He talked about the78100:51:32,790 --> 00:51:36,780bear removing the barriers inthe previous, his previous78200:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,830statement. So Sam just says, youknow, what, what are the78300:51:40,830 --> 00:51:41,460barriers?78400:51:41,610 --> 00:51:45,720Yeah, I think there's tremendousopportunity for programmatic78500:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,300advertising in podcasting. Andright now it's getting it's78600:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,700getting a bad rap. And it'sgetting that for two reasons.78700:51:50,700 --> 00:51:54,180Number one, I think a lack ofunderstanding of what it can do.78800:51:54,570 --> 00:51:58,380But also, I think, a lack ofexecution, the programmatic got78900:51:58,410 --> 00:52:01,530a lot better on things likeFacebook, your Facebook ads79000:52:01,530 --> 00:52:05,010seven or eight years ago, wereabsolutely terrible. And now I79100:52:05,010 --> 00:52:07,920don't think a week goes by thatI either don't buy or I'm79200:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,840tempted to buy something I seeon Facebook.79300:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,449So yeah, sorry. Yeah, no, yeah.He says, he asked him, What are79400:52:15,449 --> 00:52:18,809the barriers? And he says, hestarts talking about79500:52:18,809 --> 00:52:24,329programmatic ads. That's an oddjump to make, from what are the79600:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,780barriers to political answer.It's how politician answers79700:52:27,780 --> 00:52:29,070stuff. Here's the79800:52:29,070 --> 00:52:31,380mental job, let me map it outfor you. Here's the middle jump79900:52:31,830 --> 00:52:36,450advertising means it needsincrease, it means increased ad80000:52:36,450 --> 00:52:40,980spending. This is how you getthis is how you remove barriers80100:52:41,310 --> 00:52:44,310in your you increase ad spendingto bring more money into80200:52:44,310 --> 00:52:48,480podcasting, that requiresvolume, because there's not80300:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,830enough big shows to do it ontheir own. Yep, that means80400:52:52,860 --> 00:52:57,840selling to more small shows. Theonly way to do that is with80500:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,580programmatic. And thatinherently means brand safety80600:53:02,580 --> 00:53:05,880concerns because you're buyingin volume across many, many,80700:53:05,880 --> 00:53:11,190many small shows. And that's thebarrier, that that mental80800:53:11,190 --> 00:53:15,240progression right there. That isthe barrier to ad dollars coming80900:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,310into podcasting in the way thatthey talk about it. That because81000:53:20,310 --> 00:53:23,400you you have we're at the pointnow where there's not enough big81100:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,110shows to to sit to bring in thebig money. So you have to go81200:53:28,110 --> 00:53:33,900volume. And that inherentlymeans brand danger. Yeah. And I81300:53:33,900 --> 00:53:37,680think that's what led that isalso behind him, again, maybe81400:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,800not consciously what's going onwith like a cast announcing81500:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,430their conversational targetingand that kind of thing. This is81600:53:44,460 --> 00:53:51,000all about identifying, trying tomake programmatic better,81700:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,810because that's how you target.That's how you target the small81800:53:54,990 --> 00:53:58,7401000s of small shows at once inand try to do it in a way that81900:53:58,740 --> 00:54:02,670doesn't kill your brand. That'sputting it next to bad stuff.82000:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,120I just don't see them beingsincere not Not, not these guys82100:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,760specifically. But the if there'san industry, which I don't82200:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,580believe I think there's justapps, no industry, no podcast82300:54:11,580 --> 00:54:17,640industries apps. If they'resincere about it, then why is it82400:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,580still I mean, the transcriptsare the perfect way to get your82500:54:20,580 --> 00:54:25,230content context and maybe catchsome words or, or maybe unknown,82600:54:25,230 --> 00:54:29,340there's, I've been told AI ismagic. So that should be able to82700:54:29,340 --> 00:54:32,460be used, but there's no realpush towards the implementation82800:54:32,460 --> 00:54:36,300of transcripts, either. I'm noteven sure that you know, that82900:54:36,300 --> 00:54:39,000Amazon, wasn't Amazon going todo that in the background and83000:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,310then use that I don't thinkanyone's doing it.83100:54:41,849 --> 00:54:45,989Well, you know, the idea thatwe're or that gets talked about83200:54:45,989 --> 00:54:49,169is this idea of put puttingthings into transcripts so that83300:54:49,169 --> 00:54:53,609you can search for keywords tosell against, but in that may be83400:54:53,609 --> 00:54:56,639true to a certain extent, but Ithink it's equally if not more83500:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,759about identifying keywords toavoid Yeah,83600:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,350yeah. Yeah, exactly. weigh inhere. I like to say that up,83700:55:04,620 --> 00:55:09,000podcasts are shows you canlisten to in any app, that this83800:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,660is what differentiatespodcasting from legacy media,83900:55:12,930 --> 00:55:16,230which is that legacy media hadto go through centralized84000:55:16,230 --> 00:55:21,510channels that have the authorityto release it or not release it84100:55:21,510 --> 00:55:26,100or censor it. And these largebrands prefer that safety,84200:55:26,190 --> 00:55:29,370because they have somebody theycan reach and make sure is84300:55:29,700 --> 00:55:33,180filtering the content that goesout. So that's why these brands84400:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,840go to that. But podcasting iskind of the opposite of that.84500:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,350It's it's RSS based, it's openin nature. And so yeah, they're,84600:55:43,860 --> 00:55:46,560they're not going to get whatthey're looking for, from84700:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,970podcasting, what they want areexclusives, which really are84800:55:51,030 --> 00:55:55,410different from legacy media.They want conclusive content84900:55:55,410 --> 00:56:00,120that is with one brand that theycan talk to one company, and85000:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,540they can negotiate or say, Hey,you have to cut this content.85100:56:04,380 --> 00:56:08,970But that's not what podcastingis. So, you know, I know they85200:56:08,970 --> 00:56:14,610say we have podcasts, like onSpotify, but in the traditional85300:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,930sense of the word they don't, orat least their exclusive content85400:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,890is not truly a podcast. I mean,it's no different in my opinion,85500:56:22,890 --> 00:56:27,840than a Netflix series. If youhave exclusive show on Netflix,85600:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,370why not just call that a podcast85700:56:29,370 --> 00:56:32,460to here's, here's the beautifulthing, because history has85800:56:32,460 --> 00:56:37,260shown. And my favorite exampleis always AOL, that you give85900:56:37,260 --> 00:56:41,250people a beautifully walledgarden, and it's all nice and86000:56:41,250 --> 00:56:45,060safe. And it's brand safe, andit's good. And, you know, the PG86100:56:45,060 --> 00:56:48,87013 stuff is labeled, but yougive people a little opening and86200:56:48,870 --> 00:56:52,560say, but by the way, you know,there's this internet over here86300:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,170will give you a browser, but youhave to click on all these86400:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,530dialogues and say I'm okaybecause I might see porn or I86500:56:58,530 --> 00:57:03,180might see a bad word or it mightnot work properly. And within a86600:57:03,180 --> 00:57:06,600year, everyone was just suckedright out of that portal and AOL86700:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,440became a dial up company. It'sgoing to be people want the86800:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,160danger? We inherent we love it.We love the danger. Oh my god, I86900:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,690can't believe it. This. Twitteris a game of who can say the87000:57:18,690 --> 00:57:22,200most outrageous shit aboutsomeone else, preferably, until87100:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,320they get the platform. What canyou do on you? And it's an it's87200:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,560a game between the creator andthe audience at this point, oh,87300:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,960I can't believe you did that,oh, you're gonna get a strike.87400:57:31,410 --> 00:57:36,030You know, it's, it's sad towatch. And what's interesting is87500:57:36,030 --> 00:57:40,560I realized in this past week,and I believe advertising,87600:57:40,590 --> 00:57:44,100always equal censorship, even ifit's just not being able to talk87700:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,830about a competing brand or butyou put filters in so you don't87800:57:46,830 --> 00:57:49,050piss off your advertisers. I'vedone it all my life, I87900:57:49,050 --> 00:57:55,050understand it. Had to two peopleI've worked with, and I like,88000:57:56,070 --> 00:58:02,010we're deep platformed. And fordifferent reasons. But the88100:58:02,010 --> 00:58:06,270bottom line is, if you havesomething of value, that you88200:58:06,270 --> 00:58:12,990don't control, they, they, themasses can and probably will88300:58:12,990 --> 00:58:17,010take it from you. Because alwayssomeone who doesn't like you,88400:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,260there's always someone whodisagrees and has a different88500:58:19,260 --> 00:58:24,450way of solving things. Andwhether it's a YouTube channel,88600:58:24,660 --> 00:58:29,790whether it's an advertiser,whether it's a board seat on the88700:58:29,790 --> 00:58:32,790podcast Academy, if it'ssomething that can be taken88800:58:32,790 --> 00:58:38,640away, eventually, it most likelywill be what they can take away.88900:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,180Is your RSS feed. I mean, yettechnically, you can get down to89000:58:42,180 --> 00:58:45,900the server level, but that'sunlikely. And even then, you89100:58:45,900 --> 00:58:50,640know, we'll deal with IPFS butthey can't take away or or, or89200:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,030modify or change your feed yourmp3. And now with podcasting 2.089300:58:57,150 --> 00:59:03,600Your potential to survivefinancially, financially? I love89400:59:03,630 --> 00:59:04,500what we're doing.89500:59:05,579 --> 00:59:10,139Yeah. And that gives an outbecause it's almost, it's89600:59:10,139 --> 00:59:14,759necessary. And that's kind ofwhere this ends up is that it's,89700:59:14,999 --> 00:59:19,979it's, it's necessary to havethis even podcasting 2.0 has89800:59:19,979 --> 00:59:26,099never been ad advertisinghostile in the sense that that89900:59:26,759 --> 00:59:30,899advertising has to fail in orderfor podcasting 2.0 or value for90000:59:30,899 --> 00:59:34,979value to succeed. That's not No,not at all. Not at all. Not at90100:59:34,979 --> 00:59:37,169all. It's never been the caseand brands it because brand90200:59:37,169 --> 00:59:42,209safety is not inherently a badthing. Like if I had, if I have90300:59:42,209 --> 00:59:44,699some product in the future, andI want to buy some advertising90400:59:44,909 --> 00:59:47,279for it. There's going to becontent that I don't want it to90500:59:47,279 --> 00:59:51,329be seen against and that's it.That's me. Yeah, I don't want90600:59:51,329 --> 00:59:56,699that. But the more importantquestion is, does brand safety90700:59:56,699 --> 01:00:02,159lead to healthy outcomes or toTruth Truth, the outcomes for90801:00:02,189 --> 01:00:06,509content and society. Yeah, true?Because and I would argue that90901:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,049the answer to that is no,because that's not his job brand91001:00:10,049 --> 01:00:13,589safety, his job is to protectthe brand by safety for the91101:00:13,589 --> 01:00:17,489brand. Yeah. And that's notthat's inherently not, not has91201:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,419doesn't have anything to do withwhether the content is true. So91301:00:21,449 --> 01:00:25,889that that's you almost you haveto have these out the podcast91401:00:25,889 --> 01:00:30,839and people know has to exist forthat for this very reason that91501:00:31,229 --> 01:00:33,449you're going to have, you'regoing to have brand safety and91601:00:33,449 --> 01:00:36,689sometimes you sometimes brandsafety is good, but it's good91701:00:36,689 --> 01:00:41,009for the brand. It's not good forthe subject matter in and of91801:00:41,009 --> 01:00:42,899itself and objective sense.91901:00:43,829 --> 01:00:52,139I completely agree. And I seewhat's going on and I see. D92001:00:52,139 --> 01:00:56,939platforming so fucking evil.It's, it's so lame, you know,92101:00:56,939 --> 01:01:00,029and the only way to protectyourself is just have nothing of92201:01:00,029 --> 01:01:04,079value. The only thing that is avalue that I don't control is my92301:01:04,199 --> 01:01:08,099my Twitter handle that still hassome value to me. But everything92401:01:08,099 --> 01:01:12,149else now there's nothing and seethe shit I say been an92501:01:12,149 --> 01:01:14,489additional D platform isn't whatare you going to take? What are92601:01:14,489 --> 01:01:15,029you going to do?92701:01:16,290 --> 01:01:21,540Yeah, it's, I think I think it'sin the long run. I think there's92801:01:21,540 --> 01:01:26,130two industries, pretending to betwo pretending to be one92901:01:26,130 --> 01:01:29,610industry. Yes, there's openpodcasting, open RSS,93001:01:29,610 --> 01:01:32,940podcasting. And then there'sadvertising based podcasting.93101:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,230And some, if you if you have aVenn diagram of both, there's a93201:01:37,230 --> 01:01:39,900little bit of overlap in themiddle, where all the big shows93301:01:39,900 --> 01:01:44,070exist, that are non exclusive.And otherwise, they're really93401:01:44,070 --> 01:01:49,470not. There's really not a wholelot of overlap. And you can you93501:01:49,470 --> 01:01:54,060can tell, which, you know, by bywho you're listening to, you can93601:01:54,060 --> 01:01:57,960see which part of the whichindustry they're from, are they93701:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,740from open RSS? Are they fromadvertising, right? You can just93801:02:01,740 --> 01:02:05,250hear it in in the way thatpeople speak. And it's not a93901:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,460it's not a slam on anybody. It'sjust just the way it is the way94001:02:08,460 --> 01:02:12,660the industry has, it has turnedin that direction. And94101:02:12,659 --> 01:02:16,289podcasting takes a long time forthings to catch on and for94201:02:16,289 --> 01:02:18,959things to grow in thisunexpected moments like the94301:02:18,959 --> 01:02:22,559serial podcasts, unexpectedmoments that give it a super94401:02:22,559 --> 01:02:28,049boost boost. And we and we willsee that but our secret weapon94501:02:28,049 --> 01:02:32,429is, you know, Spotify can't buyall the hosting companies.94601:02:33,780 --> 01:02:36,720Yeah, and the secret the secretweapon is also like pod verse.94701:02:36,780 --> 01:02:37,020Yeah,94801:02:37,290 --> 01:02:42,480exactly. Yeah, exactly. We haveall these different apps and new94901:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,110ideas, fresh ideas, things thatmay have a very small user base,95001:02:46,110 --> 01:02:49,710but it doesn't matter. Everybodycan survive and the whole95101:02:49,710 --> 01:02:55,380ecosystem benefits no onebenefits from from a spotlight95201:02:55,380 --> 01:02:58,530from the Michelle Obama podcast,Mitch downy had no way to95301:02:58,530 --> 01:03:02,970benefit from that. Nor did nordoes he Stephen V. Nord is95401:03:02,970 --> 01:03:08,520Stephen B. You know, or or, orRoy, no one had a way to benefit95501:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,940not Roy wouldn't doesn't putthose non value podcasts in his95601:03:11,940 --> 01:03:14,820app. But you understand what I'msaying? There's no benefit95701:03:14,820 --> 01:03:18,180there. So you just fucking thesystem. That was the whole95801:03:18,180 --> 01:03:20,730problem to start with. That'swhy we had no apps.95901:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,900Well, we do it for the love ofpodcasting.96001:03:24,990 --> 01:03:28,350Oh, please. Oh, shut up. Mitch.You liar. Do it for money. I96101:03:28,350 --> 01:03:30,840know. You're doing it for money.I know what's right. The96201:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,340mountains of dough, you're justswimming in like Scrooge McDuck.96301:03:35,340 --> 01:03:38,700They're diving into your, your,your cash pile?96401:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,249Yeah, that's what I've beendoing for eight years.96501:03:42,809 --> 01:03:44,879I hear your brother, I'm apodcaster. I hear96601:03:46,889 --> 01:03:47,759that but96701:03:47,790 --> 01:03:52,080we're able to move so quicklyand do things that were not96801:03:52,080 --> 01:03:58,440possible. Or that the other bigbrands wouldn't even pursue like96901:03:58,470 --> 01:03:59,880value payments?97001:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,060Or the LIVE TAG? Yeah. Or97101:04:03,059 --> 01:04:04,829the live tag or pod paying97201:04:04,830 --> 01:04:07,470look at look at howrevolutionary pod ping is. It'll97301:04:07,470 --> 01:04:14,100take a bit but eventually,polling will be so Boomer. Yeah,97401:04:14,610 --> 01:04:17,220it should be we need to geteverybody on pod being as soon97501:04:17,220 --> 01:04:19,380as possible. It is such a gamechanger.97601:04:20,219 --> 01:04:23,009Can I Can I ask you? Can I askyou about that, Mitch, because I97701:04:23,009 --> 01:04:26,759want to ask you about in yoursyncing with the index. I want97801:04:26,759 --> 01:04:34,529to ask because, well, a coupleof things. How are you doing97901:04:34,529 --> 01:04:38,999that currently, because I'mnoticing some old feeds that98001:04:39,149 --> 01:04:43,949that are dead now that are stillshowing up? That'll be number98101:04:43,950 --> 01:04:46,560one. What can I ask a question,first of all, Mitch, why is98201:04:46,560 --> 01:04:52,560Mitch syncing with the databaseand not using the API or syncing98301:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,930with the API? It is all you'resyncing with the API. Okay, but98401:04:54,930 --> 01:04:58,440you're syncing. So you have youuse your own copy of the98501:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,200database for your for the appaccesses,98601:05:01,499 --> 01:05:07,109yes. Before podcasting 2.0existed, we had our own database98701:05:07,109 --> 01:05:12,119and parser setup. And we hadabout 50,000 podcasts in our98801:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,999database. And we couldn't scaleup to do much more than that,98901:05:17,999 --> 01:05:21,779because of all of the problemsassociated with polling RSS99001:05:21,779 --> 01:05:27,029feeds. And then once you guysmade the podcasts index, Dave,99101:05:27,029 --> 01:05:32,549expose some endpoints for us, wenow pull the API on a schedule,99201:05:32,579 --> 01:05:36,449like every 15 minutes orsomething. And we pull in all of99301:05:36,449 --> 01:05:39,299the feeds that have that yoursystem has detected and99401:05:39,299 --> 01:05:43,529updating, and that signals toour system to run our parsers99501:05:43,529 --> 01:05:48,509over it. So we started with50,000. Now we have over 599601:05:48,509 --> 01:05:52,469million, and that would beimpossible. For us on our99701:05:52,469 --> 01:05:56,669budget, we don't have a budgetto be able to accomplish99801:05:56,759 --> 01:06:01,019without, you know, without youguys doing the heavy lifting of99901:06:01,019 --> 01:06:04,289detecting updates, and alsolistening to updates with POD100001:06:04,289 --> 01:06:07,559bean and Pub Sub and whateverother approaches you're using.100101:06:08,730 --> 01:06:14,460Okay, so that. So in light ofthat, how are you detecting100201:06:14,460 --> 01:06:18,600which feeds that we marked dead?Because I'm not sure that that's100301:06:19,590 --> 01:06:21,690that that's syncing correctly?100401:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,140It's not flawless? It's crazy,because I wrote it.100501:06:26,099 --> 01:06:26,969No, stop.100601:06:27,239 --> 01:06:32,759You're good? Well, it is runningon a schedule. If there were100701:06:32,759 --> 01:06:37,949downtime, we could miss updates.There's other potential bugs,100801:06:37,949 --> 01:06:41,129like maybe the list was too longat a moment, and we didn't100901:06:41,219 --> 01:06:44,069paginate through the wholething. It's something I need to101001:06:44,069 --> 01:06:48,659revisit, right now, as peoplereport that there's issues we101101:06:48,659 --> 01:06:52,559manually correct it. But we dohave automated we I think it101201:06:52,559 --> 01:06:57,899listened to the dead podcasts ordead feeds endpoint. I just101301:06:57,899 --> 01:07:02,429fixed the bug recently wherethere's tricky issues like you101401:07:02,429 --> 01:07:06,719had two feeds that were for thesame podcast in podcast index.101501:07:07,169 --> 01:07:12,779And then at a later point, youchanged the RSS URL that was for101601:07:12,779 --> 01:07:16,049the new version of that podcastback to the old ID.101701:07:19,170 --> 01:07:21,930Was that Jensen feed? Was thatwhat that was there?101801:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,360Maybe there's so manyshenanigans in ours.101901:07:29,250 --> 01:07:32,880Oh, no, it was Mike. Doc.hotbox. And was Mike Tyson.102001:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,680Actually, that's the one Iremember.102101:07:35,099 --> 01:07:37,949Oh, that I didn't do that onemanually. That must be the new102201:07:37,949 --> 01:07:41,759automated redirect. Redirectchanger. Yeah.102301:07:42,599 --> 01:07:47,099Okay, well, I found, I think Ihave a fix for that I like do a102401:07:47,099 --> 01:07:50,909lookup to help match it. But soit's not a perfect syncing102501:07:50,909 --> 01:07:55,409operation. It does seem to work,like 99.9% of the time,102601:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,289hey, if you're hitting nothing,if you're hitting the high 90s102701:07:58,289 --> 01:08:00,689and RSS world, you're doingpretty good. I mean, you're you102801:08:00,689 --> 01:08:07,049know, that's, that's fine,usually. But what can I do to102901:08:07,049 --> 01:08:10,469help because I want do I justneed because, you know, I103001:08:10,469 --> 01:08:14,189started producing a dead feedslist. I don't know if you've103101:08:14,189 --> 01:08:17,519seen that. It's just an objectstorage. And so you can just103201:08:17,519 --> 01:08:21,509download it, it just literallylists out every dead feed in the103301:08:21,509 --> 01:08:25,049entire index as one humongousfile. You can download that and103401:08:25,049 --> 01:08:27,449just blow through it and justmark everything dead.103501:08:27,780 --> 01:08:31,620Yeah, that could be useful.Okay. Is there a different state103601:08:31,620 --> 01:08:36,210though, where it's like a deadfeed, but it gets, like switched103701:08:36,210 --> 01:08:39,270to another feed or switch toanother ID?103801:08:39,599 --> 01:08:43,259Yes, there's a there's, there'sthe dead flag. And then there's103901:08:43,259 --> 01:08:47,759a duplicate of and so if it'sgot a dip, that's what I'll send104001:08:47,759 --> 01:08:50,759you the URL for that objectstorage file, because it's, it104101:08:50,759 --> 01:08:55,709lists out every dead feed ID.And then if it also, if that104201:08:55,709 --> 01:08:59,939dead feed ID was replaced, or orshould be is a duplicate of a104301:08:59,939 --> 01:09:02,699different feed, it will pointyou to the ID of that feed.104401:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,400Okay. Yeah, something like thatwould help. To be honest. I104501:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,000haven't put as much time intothe thinking because it just104601:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,430seems to work well enough fornow. But I think what I need to104701:09:17,430 --> 01:09:21,720do is like, map it out our wholeinfrastructure and all of our104801:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,730thinking operations and how theywork. And just like put all the104901:09:26,730 --> 01:09:29,520pieces on the table and see howwe can improve it.105001:09:30,210 --> 01:09:34,770Because it always comes upbecause when I use pod verse to105101:09:34,770 --> 01:09:37,740search for podcasting, 2.0 Ialways see the podcasting 2.0105201:09:37,740 --> 01:09:41,640sandbox feed they're listed inthat one's been dead for like105301:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,450months. So they'd always alwaysso paying you for105401:09:45,719 --> 01:09:53,699if, if that was before, we addedthe dead feeds endpoint. Because105501:09:53,699 --> 01:09:58,049we are deleting feeds. We'relistening to an endpoint and105601:09:58,259 --> 01:10:03,449podcasts index If that was thathappened later. So there could105701:10:03,449 --> 01:10:07,079be like a whole era of feedsthat has not been addressed. But105801:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,449what you're saying with if youjust have a dump of the whole105901:10:09,809 --> 01:10:13,499dead feeds list that we could,you know, have a job, make it106001:10:13,499 --> 01:10:15,839run for a day or something, andgo through the whole thing.106101:10:16,350 --> 01:10:18,480Yeah, that might be Yeah, it's,I'll send you the URL, and106201:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,960maybe, you know, it may beuseful for you to, you may find106301:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,530that you've got like, so manythat can be killed and just then106401:10:25,620 --> 01:10:26,640take some load off.106501:10:28,110 --> 01:10:34,620You know, what's really opensource, sends your pull requests106601:10:34,620 --> 01:10:40,200now. Pull requests, and pleaseanybody who wants to help with106701:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,610this, we are all open source.And as you can tell, I could use106801:10:44,610 --> 01:10:50,400some help. We're at maxcapacity. But it's a lot of fun.106901:10:50,549 --> 01:10:54,989That's, that's another thing Iwanted to ask you. This, okay.107001:10:56,309 --> 01:10:59,549So the other thing I want to askyou, as far as, you know, an107101:10:59,549 --> 01:11:01,769answer as much of this as youwant and as little as you want,107201:11:01,769 --> 01:11:08,159but when it comes to, you know,you pay for premium pod verse107301:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,419every month. And are y'alldoing? Just are y'all doing107401:11:12,419 --> 01:11:16,409okay? I mean, financially, areyou? You know, are you able to107501:11:16,409 --> 01:11:18,209pay the bills? I mean, how'sthat going for you?107601:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,280We're doing okay, in the sensethat as long as I have a day107701:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,380job, I can afford it. It's notunmanageable. It's actually107801:11:28,620 --> 01:11:34,680remarkably cheap for how like,like, supporting 5 million107901:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,970podcasts and having iOS AndroidF Droid and web and all the108001:11:38,970 --> 01:11:43,260stuff we do, but we're notmaking a profit yet. And108101:11:43,710 --> 01:11:48,210hopefully, we'll get there we'renot profit motivated. That's not108201:11:48,360 --> 01:11:54,780central. Like I just have thisassumption that we keep getting108301:11:54,780 --> 01:11:59,100better and you know, just keepimproving and eventually we'll108401:11:59,100 --> 01:12:03,300turn a corner with that. But youknow, I'm not the world's best108501:12:03,300 --> 01:12:06,150marketer either. I prefersitting in front all your108601:12:06,150 --> 01:12:08,400target to do genius marketer, so108701:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,300you're in the right place, myfriend before I,108801:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,590lest I forget Mitch, would youplease email me right now a108901:12:16,590 --> 01:12:19,350wallet credential so that I canput you in the split for today's109001:12:19,350 --> 01:12:21,840show? This is something we needto ask up front Dave, we need to109101:12:21,870 --> 01:12:24,330we need to guest a guest sheet109201:12:25,260 --> 01:12:26,880and into intake form and intake109301:12:26,880 --> 01:12:27,720form. There you go.109401:12:29,010 --> 01:12:33,000i There's there's trouble withthat. My Umbral node does not109501:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,710have channels set up right now.109601:12:34,799 --> 01:12:37,349Do you have any do you have anywallet somewhere?109701:12:37,440 --> 01:12:41,610I do. Oh, we do have a standardbitcoin wallet. No, no,109801:12:41,610 --> 01:12:42,840no, no, that won't work.109901:12:43,170 --> 01:12:43,560I can110001:12:43,740 --> 01:12:45,420we can give you a LM pay wallet.110101:12:46,199 --> 01:12:51,689Oh, you know what I can do shit.Can I just set it up? Give him a110201:12:52,229 --> 01:12:54,839Akira for sovereign fees wallet.110301:12:55,650 --> 01:12:59,370Oh yes, brand new. You can testthat out too. Well, while we're110401:12:59,580 --> 01:13:01,650while we're running withscissors this breakout some more110501:13:01,650 --> 01:13:02,760scissors it's cool.110601:13:02,850 --> 01:13:08,460Go to sovereign feeds.com Mitchand then it'll ask you for an110701:13:08,460 --> 01:13:11,580email address it'll send you atoken when you click on wallet110801:13:11,580 --> 01:13:14,520that is I think and then it'llgive you a wallet and the110901:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,940details send those to me and andyou even get stats111001:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,560All right cool. I'll do thatduring the donations segment yes111101:13:22,590 --> 01:13:26,160sovereign the sovereign feeswhat and if you've seen it Dave111201:13:27,090 --> 01:13:30,210The was pretty cool. I mean,it's got boost and stream111301:13:30,210 --> 01:13:33,480history and booster gramsseparately listed.111401:13:34,530 --> 01:13:37,200I haven't had a chance to lookat it Can you can you describe111501:13:37,620 --> 01:13:43,380like what it's like when you Imean where does it exist in111601:13:43,770 --> 01:13:45,030Yugoslavia and seeds.111701:13:45,450 --> 01:13:48,180So if you go to to have you beento sovereign foods lately,111801:13:48,210 --> 01:13:50,340yeah. Okay. Yeah, well, I wasthere a couple days ago and is111901:13:50,340 --> 01:13:52,020there you see those right beforehe did112001:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,920okay, so there should be I thinkwhen you hit it before before112101:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,500you even get in it asks you togive your email address we're112201:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,500gonna set up a wallet If notclick the Sign In button on the112301:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,280right I think112401:14:06,330 --> 01:14:10,860okay, so because because the wayI usually get there is I go to I112501:14:10,860 --> 01:14:12,840go to curio caster and then I'd112601:14:12,870 --> 01:14:17,610no no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no sovereign feeds.com Oh,112701:14:17,610 --> 01:14:21,900listen. Oh, sovereign feeds is awhole a whole environment. It's112801:14:21,900 --> 01:14:23,100an operating system.112901:14:23,549 --> 01:14:28,139Yeah. So sovereign feeds wassettings Turn on RSS editor.113001:14:29,129 --> 01:14:32,909No, no, that's curio caster goto sovereign feeds.com.113101:14:33,600 --> 01:14:33,990Man,113201:14:34,020 --> 01:14:37,380I felt like I'm just it's thisis very disappointing. Actually.113301:14:39,690 --> 01:14:42,090While you're doing that, Mitch,I'd like to ask you a question.113401:14:43,200 --> 01:14:49,410And I also listened to the TomWebster pod line interview. And113501:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,860within that interview, there wasanother you know, the discovery113601:14:52,860 --> 01:14:55,500thing always comes up. This isanother millio thing like well,113701:14:55,500 --> 01:14:58,650once we get discovery, you know,once we have discovery better113801:14:58,650 --> 01:15:04,860done, and it appears To me thatpod verse, but also fountain FM,113901:15:05,430 --> 01:15:11,670have invested heavily as inresources in Eclipse is that?114001:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,730For me, the thinking behind thathas always been that is a114101:15:14,730 --> 01:15:18,450discovery mechanism. Is that howyou view it?114201:15:18,810 --> 01:15:22,470Absolutely. I think of thatwhenever people talk about114301:15:22,470 --> 01:15:28,080discovery, people are lookingfor like a magic AI solution114401:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,630that's going to just like pushtheir podcast in front of114501:15:30,630 --> 01:15:33,930people, and that that's going todraw people in. And that's going114601:15:33,930 --> 01:15:37,650to be the key to their success.But I think the real key is you114701:15:37,650 --> 01:15:41,880need a really high qualitypodcast. And you need people to114801:15:41,880 --> 01:15:47,520spread the word for you. There'sjust such an oversaturation. I114901:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,130mean, it's good that there areso many podcasts, but like,115001:15:50,670 --> 01:15:54,060people don't really listen topodcasts unless somebody tells115101:15:54,060 --> 01:15:57,240them or they hear from onepodcast recommends another one.115201:15:57,720 --> 01:16:03,900So clip sharing is, I think, themost useful way for, for getting115301:16:03,930 --> 01:16:06,570introduced to a podcast andpotentially getting interested115401:16:06,570 --> 01:16:11,310in it. So that was actually whatpod verse started as. Right,115501:16:11,340 --> 01:16:15,840right to be a simple podcastclip sharing platform, which is115601:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,770now turned into a Cross Platformpodcast app that does just about115701:16:19,770 --> 01:16:25,890everything. It does, yeah. Yeah.But that is the core experience115801:16:25,890 --> 01:16:31,950that, you know, I was, I gotinto podcasting, like 2009. I've115901:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,800was like, I really liked it. Iliked it as an alternative to116001:16:34,800 --> 01:16:41,010mainstream television media. Andthe thing that that I wrestled116101:16:41,010 --> 01:16:43,410with, though I didn't like Icouldn't share that with other116201:16:43,410 --> 01:16:48,540people that like, people couldtalk about, oh, Game of Thrones116301:16:48,540 --> 01:16:52,320or Breaking Bad are some showsthat everybody watches. But, you116401:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,670know, podcasting was likereally, like specific to you as116501:16:56,670 --> 01:16:59,400an individual in which youlistened to. So I wanted an easy116601:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,900way to share clips, tointroduce, you know, maybe I116701:17:03,900 --> 01:17:07,890hear something funny orenlightening, and I wanted to116801:17:07,890 --> 01:17:12,420share it with people. So, yeah,I think that that gets under,116901:17:13,290 --> 01:17:16,320that's just not discussedenough. When people talk about117001:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,920discoverability, I feel like youwant to create viral content.117101:17:20,610 --> 01:17:23,460And that's a short clip thatpeople can share everywhere.117201:17:23,700 --> 01:17:28,110To me. No one has really quitecracked that nut yet. And I'm117301:17:28,110 --> 01:17:36,210not sure what it is i i lovesending myself clips for noon,117401:17:36,210 --> 01:17:39,120which is really no more than atime code. For me that's a curio117501:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,260Castle does that I'm perfectlyfine with that. There's, I think117601:17:43,260 --> 01:17:46,200we're just missingopportunities, like overcast, I117701:17:46,200 --> 01:17:51,150get a lot of overcast chairs.When it comes in the emails,117801:17:51,180 --> 01:17:56,940it's so there's so muchopportunity there to get117901:17:56,940 --> 01:18:01,680midnight, I don't have iOS, butfor for for all of the apps to118001:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,790get me to have a differentexperience than what I'm seeing.118101:18:05,820 --> 01:18:12,000And not that I can explain it.But have you have you looked at118201:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,010because everyone does it alittle bit differently? What do118301:18:14,010 --> 01:18:17,760you think is the perfect modeland I agree with you. And that118401:18:17,760 --> 01:18:22,620may be part of the the millio ofthe industry is well you know,118501:18:22,620 --> 01:18:25,140once we have discovery, butwe're never gonna have YouTube118601:18:25,140 --> 01:18:27,780like discovery, it's just that'sjust not the nature of the118701:18:27,780 --> 01:18:31,920beast. But there's there'ssharing on social media, which118801:18:31,920 --> 01:18:37,380is one type of sharing, which Ithink needs a certain type of118901:18:37,410 --> 01:18:41,250experience if it's on Twitter orMastodon or face bag or anywhere119001:18:41,250 --> 01:18:44,970else. And then there's theperson to person through email119101:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,180or you know this, there'sdifferent ways you can share. I119201:18:48,180 --> 01:18:52,200totally agree with the humanpart. What are we looking at for119301:18:52,200 --> 01:18:57,570how that's sent? And how thatstored how people can go back119401:18:57,570 --> 01:19:00,900and find more? I mean, that byitself, and I asked you119501:19:00,900 --> 01:19:05,130specifically because you startedout that way. What is What do119601:19:05,130 --> 01:19:07,470you see the formula? Do youthink you've you've got it yet?119701:19:07,470 --> 01:19:10,320Or is there something some magicingredients still missing?119801:19:11,130 --> 01:19:14,790I do think there's a magicingredient missing. It already119901:19:14,790 --> 01:19:20,430exists though. It's the podcastsound bite tag. And we so the120001:19:20,430 --> 01:19:26,190sound bite tag is part of thepodcasting. 2.0 spec allows you120101:19:26,190 --> 01:19:30,600to create clips within your RSSfeed. They're just timestamp so120201:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,880start time and time and title.And if a podcaster includes it120301:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,260in their RSS feed, then everypodcast app can just parse out120401:19:40,260 --> 01:19:44,190that information and do whatthey want with those clips. Like120501:19:44,190 --> 01:19:49,200in pod versus case, we look forthe sound by tag. If we find it,120601:19:49,230 --> 01:19:54,240we generate a clip in oursystem. So podcasters if they120701:19:54,240 --> 01:19:59,220want to make clips available asfar reaching as possible, they120801:19:59,340 --> 01:20:03,870can put this out On by taggingtheir RSS feed, and it goes to120901:20:03,870 --> 01:20:07,080every app, you know, like theideas they can create in a121001:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,200central location instead of,okay, you have to go to pod121101:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,970verse and create a clip here, orfound create a clip there. Like121201:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,560if they do that in the RSS. Thatis a ticket to being able to121301:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,550generate it everywhere.121401:20:21,210 --> 01:20:25,110The soundbite tag is doesn'thave an external file. It's,121501:20:25,290 --> 01:20:26,670it's in the feed itself.121601:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,960That's correct. I mean, thatcould potentially change if121701:20:31,050 --> 01:20:34,440the reason why I ask is becauseall of this stuff, this is my121801:20:34,440 --> 01:20:39,480problem. So if I wanted togenerate a sound byte tag, I121901:20:39,480 --> 01:20:43,620kind of have to do that workbefore I publish. Otherwise, you122001:20:43,620 --> 01:20:47,910get into republishing, feeds andyou know, all kinds of caching122101:20:47,910 --> 01:20:51,930and bullcrap that comes alongwith that. So I would need a to122201:20:51,930 --> 01:20:55,230have the capability, thecapability to actually select122301:20:55,230 --> 01:20:59,040the clip before I publish,which, you know, time codes and122401:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,830everything. There's really no, Ihave no UI for it. I'm basically122501:21:01,830 --> 01:21:06,030telling Stephen B what theproblem is. But honestly, I'm122601:21:06,030 --> 01:21:10,710the lazy ass that says, oh, man,can it be either? Or Could I122701:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,700could I have Dred Scott do morefor me is my question. Really?122801:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,170Yes, yes. Well, that's up tohim. But122901:21:20,130 --> 01:21:24,420I give people SATs baby, I don'tmess around, I'd like to take123001:21:24,420 --> 01:21:24,990our money.123101:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,550Some other people have kickedaround this idea on the Macedon123201:21:29,580 --> 01:21:34,140that some some way ofcrowdsourcing clip generation.123301:21:34,500 --> 01:21:39,810And if if there was an externalfile, then that might have123401:21:39,810 --> 01:21:42,990separate permissions from yourRSS feed. So you could just put123501:21:42,990 --> 01:21:47,310a URL in your RSS feed thatlinks to your your soundbite123601:21:47,310 --> 01:21:53,670list. And maybe you could haveyour own moderators, that could123701:21:53,670 --> 01:21:58,680then add clips to that list. Andthat we read it like normal, it123801:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,560would have to be its ownstandalone service. Right? Well,123901:22:02,010 --> 01:22:03,090I'd love to complicate. I'd124001:22:03,090 --> 01:22:06,240love to experiment with thesoundbite tag regardless. So124101:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,970once I have that capability,I'll do it. I'll figure124201:22:08,970 --> 01:22:12,750something out. Yeah, because noone no one's producing them.124301:22:12,750 --> 01:22:14,640There's no tools for it. As faras I know.124401:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,830There is. So Buzzsprout hasadopted sound bites from the124501:22:19,830 --> 01:22:22,380beginning, there's just onecatch, which is that they don't124601:22:22,620 --> 01:22:28,260allow setting a title with theclips. Yes. And so they think of124701:22:28,260 --> 01:22:31,590it more as a preview of anepisode. So like, you include124801:22:31,590 --> 01:22:36,630one preview, I think their UIalso generates an audiogram. So124901:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,010the the people using theplatform, they create a sound125001:22:41,010 --> 01:22:43,830bite. And then they get anaudiogram and think, Oh, I've125101:22:43,830 --> 01:22:46,740got a clip, what they don'trealize is, well, there's125201:22:46,740 --> 01:22:49,710another level that we can gohere, which is you put the title125301:22:49,710 --> 01:22:53,370in the feed also. And now thatclip is generated everywhere.125401:22:54,330 --> 01:22:58,800Right. I don't know if they haveany plans to support something125501:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,730like that. But I do think thatit's just kind of under the125601:23:02,730 --> 01:23:07,020radar that this potential withEclipse is right there. We have125701:23:07,020 --> 01:23:11,310the spec already. Maybe we needto add the external file. But125801:23:11,940 --> 01:23:13,200there's definitely room there.But what125901:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,080I like is this is all aboutgetting more people to listen to126001:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,910the podcast and not have more adinventory available. Because126101:23:20,910 --> 01:23:25,200people are clicking Oh, let mecheck this out. Plays ad man126201:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,960don't like it. Next one plays addon't like it. Because that's126301:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,290just not the way people findpodcasts as far as I'm126401:23:31,290 --> 01:23:31,890concerned.126501:23:32,940 --> 01:23:36,450Yeah, exactly. It's hard to geton people's radar. And also, you126601:23:36,450 --> 01:23:40,530know, man, I'm subscribed tolike 200 podcasts. I can't keep126701:23:40,530 --> 01:23:45,360up with it all. Yeah, it's justa firehose. Yeah. And I hope126801:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,910that there'll be a day wherethere's just such a, there's so126901:23:47,910 --> 01:23:52,020many clips being generated in aopen standard way that I could127001:23:52,020 --> 01:23:55,890get, like, highlights from theshows, I do want to listen to,127101:23:55,890 --> 01:23:59,010but I can't keep up with, youknow, that would be really cool.127201:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,100Otherwise, I just fall in thosesame patterns that like same127301:24:02,100 --> 01:24:05,250five podcasts I normally listento, but there's a lot more than127401:24:05,250 --> 01:24:07,890I'm interested in. I just can'tkeep up with it all.127501:24:09,270 --> 01:24:13,320Do you have any visibility inlike any kind of telemetry or127601:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,720metrics or anything that tellsyou which features of the app127701:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,960get are used and not used? andin what quantities?127801:24:20,100 --> 01:24:25,320Not really, I'm bad atprioritizing that sort of thing.127901:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,750The only join a club?128001:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,810I mean, I find it interesting.It just it just hasn't yet128101:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,140happened yet. We do have sometracking in terms of we count,128201:24:37,380 --> 01:24:42,630page view counts if people optinto tracking and that we use as128301:24:42,630 --> 01:24:48,060part of our sorting algorithm ofpopularity. It's a extremely128401:24:48,060 --> 01:24:51,960flawed system does notnecessarily reflect reality, but128501:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,560it gives us some indication forsome podcasts at least of what128601:24:56,790 --> 01:24:59,760what is getting shared the most.But in terms of the feature use128701:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,750I pretty much just based on whatpeople email us about and128801:25:04,380 --> 01:25:05,250contact us.128901:25:05,970 --> 01:25:10,620Does it help? How is the how'sthe the Translate language129001:25:10,620 --> 01:25:14,160translation stuff going? I knowyou're pushing that hard for a129101:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,380while is that didn't youcrowdsource that,129201:25:16,860 --> 01:25:22,650yet translations is going good,I have not given enough time to129301:25:22,650 --> 01:25:25,920the community that's helpingwith that. There's this service129401:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,880called Web late. I think webblade.org. And somebody reached129501:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,930out to us a while ago, justsaying that they, you know, hey,129601:25:33,930 --> 01:25:37,920you should set up with thiswebsite. And it makes it really129701:25:37,920 --> 01:25:44,670easy for people to you give themlike your master list of text.129801:25:45,060 --> 01:25:48,240So like, we have one JSON filethat has all of our texts, and129901:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,150that's our English, that's aroot file. And then people can130001:25:51,150 --> 01:25:55,260just jump in and translate thatinto any language, and it130101:25:55,260 --> 01:26:01,470automatically creates PRs to areOh, wow, oh, that's cool. It's130201:26:01,470 --> 01:26:05,970really cool. I did not know itexisted. And I need to give it130301:26:05,970 --> 01:26:08,310more attention, because I'm nottalking to these people130401:26:08,310 --> 01:26:12,000directly, very much. And they'redoing this great work. But it's,130501:26:12,030 --> 01:26:14,760it's a really powerful tool,especially if you have an open130601:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,150source project, I recommendeverybody get set up with it.130701:26:18,930 --> 01:26:22,680If so, how does that this year,just you have a master list of130801:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,680text strings, and you just pullfrom that list when you compile?130901:26:27,210 --> 01:26:31,830Right? Well, I mean, we havecores at runtime. We have I 18.131001:26:31,830 --> 01:26:35,760N. We have aninternationalization setup, it's131101:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,380just a little helper functionthat checks what the device is131201:26:40,380 --> 01:26:45,360language is currently in. And ifwe have that language code131301:26:45,450 --> 01:26:53,400available, like we have French,German, Norwegian, we have like131401:26:53,430 --> 01:26:59,760six languages. Currently, yeah,it just, it just flips the131501:26:59,790 --> 01:27:03,120definitions for depending on thelanguage that131601:27:03,690 --> 01:27:05,760you're in, how many strings howmany strings are there? I mean,131701:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,550like, what how big of atranslation project? Is it to?131801:27:08,790 --> 01:27:11,850Like, let's just say it was acomic strip blogger wanted to go131901:27:11,850 --> 01:27:14,520and translate it to polish? Imean, would that take him two132001:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,470days? Or would it take him anhour and a half?132101:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,320Well, the beautiful thing is,you could just do partial132201:27:19,350 --> 01:27:22,560incremental, you don't have togo through and do the whole132301:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,780thing, you just go line by line,you know, and translate those132401:27:27,780 --> 01:27:31,980lines into whatever language youwant. And, you know, you don't132501:27:31,980 --> 01:27:35,400have to be the person that doesthe whole thing. So I think we132601:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,310have like 1000 strings, it'squite a lot. And actually, part132701:27:38,310 --> 01:27:40,890of why we have so many isbecause we added screen reader132801:27:40,890 --> 01:27:45,450accessibility about six monthsago. And that's actually a132901:27:45,450 --> 01:27:49,530feature I'd like to highlightmore. Because, you know, we133001:27:49,590 --> 01:27:52,050invested a lot of time to makeit screenreader accessible. I133101:27:52,050 --> 01:27:56,010got an email last year fromsomebody saying that they heard133201:27:56,010 --> 01:27:59,310about pod verse through podcastsin 2.0. And they were really133301:27:59,310 --> 01:28:02,280excited to try it. And then theyopened the app, and it just did133401:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,540nothing. And it turned out wewere not accessible at all. It133501:28:06,540 --> 01:28:07,980just was a dead app.133601:28:08,190 --> 01:28:11,400I know you well enough to knowthat stuff like that just gets133701:28:11,400 --> 01:28:15,390in you your curl and you. Yeah,yeah, that drives you crazy.133801:28:16,230 --> 01:28:20,100Yeah, yeah, I just feels likeI'm not doing, you know the133901:28:20,100 --> 01:28:24,180basics of what should be done.But so I hope that the134001:28:24,180 --> 01:28:27,450experience is good now forscreen reader accessibility. And134101:28:27,450 --> 01:28:31,680I'd love to get more feedback.If you or anybody you know, uses134201:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,500a screen reader. I'd love to getfeedback. We've got it on the134301:28:34,500 --> 01:28:37,710website, and the mobile app forthe five134401:28:37,710 --> 01:28:41,280blind guys podcast with threeblind guys podcast. I'll ping134501:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,310him. I've been on their show.They're okay. Yeah, they're the134601:28:44,310 --> 01:28:44,880real deal.134701:28:46,050 --> 01:28:46,800That'd be great.134801:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,180So they're podcasters andpodcast users. Perfect, shall we134901:28:51,210 --> 01:28:54,330thank a few people for our valuefor value proposition which I've135001:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,750been explaining to debit cardDanny who will be joining the135101:28:57,750 --> 01:29:06,180team debit card. Danny is aoverqualified CPA who was who135201:29:06,180 --> 01:29:11,790was helping us with our taxfilings and our books and he's135301:29:11,820 --> 01:29:15,330no agenda guy and he's reallyexcited about what we're doing135401:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,840and he's getting up to speed andso I was explaining value for135501:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,510value because he kept sayingwell okay so your sales no stop135601:29:22,380 --> 01:29:27,000no sales but but that's that'sin in in IRS speak it comes into135701:29:27,210 --> 01:29:31,620it. Just say it's easy to saysales okay. But anyway, value135801:29:31,620 --> 01:29:34,500for value was is something thatI've I've actually been writing135901:29:34,500 --> 01:29:39,510quite a bit yesterday, two daysago. in Teaneck, Festo. Yeah,136001:29:39,510 --> 01:29:42,900Tina came home like that. Whatdo you do to my emails? Now I'm136101:29:42,900 --> 01:29:46,950gonna show prep and I've beenwriting, writing, writing.136201:29:48,180 --> 01:29:50,970Right, I'm the right I'm TheLinguist here be writing your136301:29:50,970 --> 01:29:57,720podcasts. So I've gotten prettyfar and it's kind of fun to to136401:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,330build the story and then alsomake it you know, Quick so you136501:30:00,330 --> 01:30:02,610can get in understand somethingor if you really want to delve136601:30:02,610 --> 01:30:05,460deeper into it and learn more ofthe history because it really is136701:30:05,460 --> 01:30:08,790more than just, you know, it'snot just content monetization,136801:30:08,790 --> 01:30:13,020it's a programming format it's alifestyle to a degree. And and136901:30:13,050 --> 01:30:15,630what we're doing here I wouldsay is kind of the lifestyle137001:30:15,810 --> 01:30:18,840because this project iscompletely supported by the137101:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,480people who want to support it,and the value they get out of it137201:30:21,480 --> 01:30:24,630they put into it. That's thebeauty of it so you can137301:30:24,630 --> 01:30:28,020determine exactly how much youfind this you think the podcast137401:30:28,020 --> 01:30:30,180is worth but really the wholeproject because it funds137501:30:30,180 --> 01:30:33,750everything. And you can do thatby going to podcast index.org137601:30:33,750 --> 01:30:35,520Scroll down at the bottomthere's a couple of ways you can137701:30:35,520 --> 01:30:40,620send your Fiat fun coupons or ifyou prefer you can send on chain137801:30:40,620 --> 01:30:43,680Bitcoin, but we really likepeople boosting sending booster137901:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,790grams with a modern podcast appand I just checked that new138001:30:47,790 --> 01:30:52,800podcast apps.com is one way nudepodcast apps.com also works138101:30:52,800 --> 01:30:57,090apparently I don't know who didthat, but I appreciate it. 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Check this out. 111 111138901:31:27,630 --> 01:31:28,410SATs.139001:31:28,650 --> 01:31:29,760Holy crap.139101:31:29,910 --> 01:31:35,130I think that gets a big bottle.Shot Carla 20 is blades on the139201:31:35,130 --> 01:31:36,180Impala139301:31:36,510 --> 01:31:40,320M booster grand reads as followsby the dip boost the drip a139401:31:40,320 --> 01:31:45,210brief observation using new likeit happens using new podcaster139501:31:45,210 --> 01:31:48,5702.0 tags feels like finding newgear for your hero in a role139601:31:48,570 --> 01:31:53,070playing game. You obtain gem ofapp the episode value split plus139701:31:53,070 --> 01:31:54,90033 Booster lightning magic.139801:31:55,770 --> 01:31:56,760loot the room.139901:31:58,590 --> 01:32:03,630loot the room. I might have tochange the title of the show to140001:32:03,630 --> 01:32:07,350leave the room behind thescheme's will be lit post no140101:32:07,350 --> 01:32:10,860agenda on 612 22 with thepodsafe Dave Jones as our140201:32:10,860 --> 01:32:14,130guests. Oh, so you're going tofeel what it is what it's like140301:32:14,130 --> 01:32:15,630to really have it work.140401:32:16,020 --> 01:32:20,190Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'llget the I'll get a front row140501:32:20,190 --> 01:32:22,740seat for how this stuff issupposed to run and140601:32:23,130 --> 01:32:25,830I am totally changing the titleto loot the room. That's140701:32:25,830 --> 01:32:31,380hilarious. 5000 SATs fromcrimson dear Thank you very140801:32:31,380 --> 01:32:36,660much. We have 5000 SATs from theNA millennial Adam unblock me on140901:32:36,660 --> 01:32:41,250Twitter. I wonder why I blockedyou on Twitter. I will I will141001:32:41,250 --> 01:32:41,880check that141101:32:42,180 --> 01:32:43,680they deserved it. No doubt.141201:32:44,190 --> 01:32:47,490Well, I think five SATs is notreally doesn't really unlock the141301:32:47,490 --> 01:32:49,170Twitter achievement but okay.141401:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,190That's that's a minimum of20,000.141501:32:54,090 --> 01:32:57,870See, Brooklyn. 112 came in onthe chat room and he says oh, I141601:32:57,870 --> 01:33:00,360just snuck in. I'm late for theboard meeting and I said Hey,141701:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,540where's your hall pass and hesent 2000 SATs with my hall pass141801:33:03,540 --> 01:33:09,840Thank you very much. 500 fromspan proof at feat feast Nope.141901:33:09,840 --> 01:33:13,980Secret ingredient is oh I'msorry. That's for no agenda.142001:33:15,420 --> 01:33:23,130That mix on my thing here. HardHat with 22 2222 22,222 sets of142101:33:23,130 --> 01:33:29,970massive row of ducks. Thank youvery much. See Mike 2222 Running142201:33:29,970 --> 01:33:33,270with Scissors and putting ourifex individual first aid kits142301:33:33,270 --> 01:33:39,450to good use today. Merch idea.Take notes, a podcasting 2.0142401:33:39,450 --> 01:33:44,970First aid kit. It has a it has abetter Alright. Alright. Podcast142501:33:44,970 --> 01:33:49,380index shot pay attention. It hasa backup USB mic dongles142601:33:49,410 --> 01:33:52,980adapters and an ask me about mypodcast button to put on your142701:33:52,980 --> 01:34:00,300shirt. Yes, beautiful. Soundsabout right. Chad Pharaoh got us142801:34:00,300 --> 01:34:03,750going about an hour ago withWe'll do it live and 10,000 SATs142901:34:03,750 --> 01:34:10,350on the booster gram. lavish 6666Pew pew we got shipped. Stephen143001:34:10,350 --> 01:34:15,750beat. Oh Steven Be with a shortrow of ducks. Hey, Mitch,143101:34:15,750 --> 01:34:19,140Congrats on getting lit. Workingthe pod pink is awesome. 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And145901:36:23,730 --> 01:36:26,040you will get the monthlies willdo later protects all the single146001:36:26,040 --> 01:36:26,520donation146101:36:26,549 --> 01:36:31,919okay by the way the right now isthe time to boost I mean booster146201:36:31,919 --> 01:36:34,559Satoshis when this stuff startsgoing up again it's going to be146301:36:34,559 --> 01:36:35,489happy times.146401:36:36,150 --> 01:36:39,390Oh yeah, was it boost the dripdrip146501:36:39,420 --> 01:36:40,710by the dip boost the drip146601:36:41,549 --> 01:36:48,809brand Oh settlers gave us 10,006Great episode guys. I love I146701:36:48,809 --> 01:36:51,209really love what you're doing atthe podcast index and the things146801:36:51,209 --> 01:36:53,609Oscar has been doing withfountain. I can't wait to see146901:36:53,609 --> 01:36:56,159what the future brings and thatwas boosted through fountain147001:36:56,159 --> 01:37:02,069Thank you Brenda 19 122 setsfrom Kira and our buddy mere147101:37:02,069 --> 01:37:08,129mortals podcast. It says I thinkTheodore Dusty eskie can give147201:37:08,129 --> 01:37:11,189Mr. Solzhenitsyn a run for hismoney in the near in the near147301:37:11,189 --> 01:37:15,179the unspoiled names department,the Russians, the Russians147401:37:15,179 --> 01:37:19,439strike again through the GulagArchipelago is an amazing book147501:37:19,469 --> 01:37:22,139by the way. Horrifying andemotionally draining but still147601:37:22,139 --> 01:37:22,769fantastic.147701:37:24,180 --> 01:37:27,540That was tiring that was tiring.Yeah, carbonation. Man.147801:37:27,780 --> 01:37:32,580Shout out to Myhrvold meremortals who is been a huge like147901:37:32,580 --> 01:37:36,150promoter of podcasts and 2.0 andalso the sleek podcast which is148001:37:36,540 --> 01:37:38,340what's brand Knossos guys,148101:37:38,400 --> 01:37:43,020those guys, okay, do tons ofvideos. screengrabs is148201:37:43,020 --> 01:37:45,900fantastic. I love retweetingamong Twitter.148301:37:46,950 --> 01:37:49,440Mitch, I thought you were aboutto say shout out to a feed or148401:37:49,440 --> 01:38:01,230Dostoyevsky. Musa, by the way,one, Karen's partner in crime is148501:38:01,260 --> 01:38:04,500he's up there in I think,Minneapolis. So that's sort of148601:38:04,500 --> 01:38:11,640close to you. Mitch, close inquotes. Cool. Satoshi stream148701:38:11,670 --> 01:38:15,600sent us 5552 SATs throughfountain and he says, Why you148801:38:15,600 --> 01:38:20,460say a lot when fountain works sonicely. Smiley face is true. But148901:38:20,460 --> 01:38:25,740CLS fun. Everybody wants thiscommand line. Yes. And Roy149001:38:25,740 --> 01:38:31,590scheinfeld. The Wizard of TelAviv, he says, he says149101:38:31,860 --> 01:38:37,98054321 54,321 says through breezeand he says, quote, I also don't149201:38:37,980 --> 01:38:44,070want crypto I want Bitcoin. ADAMYou rock. That must be an atom149301:38:44,070 --> 01:38:46,230quote. I guess. I guess.149401:38:46,710 --> 01:38:49,620I guess Thank you. Thank you,Roy. Yeah, thanks, buddy. the149501:38:49,620 --> 01:38:56,460only the only industry playerthat supports me big industry149601:38:56,460 --> 01:38:56,910player.149701:38:58,350 --> 01:39:00,450Yep. Roy is a treasure man. Hereally149801:39:00,990 --> 01:39:04,620is. I can't wait to visit himyet.149901:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,790Do you have that scheduled orhe's gonna just talk in general150001:39:09,660 --> 01:39:15,210is Israel is on our radar. Wedefinitely want to go there. I150101:39:15,210 --> 01:39:19,170mean, you and Tina. Yeah, we wereally we still love to do Japan150201:39:19,170 --> 01:39:23,670but Japan and one anybody. Stayaway. Stay away. You150301:39:24,420 --> 01:39:27,720can lay bare you ready? Sitdown, you guys.150401:39:27,990 --> 01:39:30,300I'm sitting down. I'm ready.What's up? Okay, all right.150501:39:31,500 --> 01:39:34,230100,000 SATs Oh, podcast.150601:39:35,640 --> 01:39:39,060Shot call off 20 blades on thehem ball.150701:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,080Boost. A says the intergalacticboombox podcast isn't just150801:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,380standing there. It's boosting.And I'm a firm believer in value150901:39:46,380 --> 01:39:48,780for value, especially with theimmense enjoyment I get from151001:39:48,780 --> 01:39:54,930Dave's paper. crinkling ASMRYou're welcome. Yes, thank you,151101:39:54,930 --> 01:39:59,580Carl. Yeah, me and Carl theexchanged some emails this week.151201:39:59,580 --> 01:40:05,250He's Such a good guy. Todd fromNorthern Virginia. All right151301:40:05,250 --> 01:40:10,410says he sent us 11,100 AndLevinson sat through breeze and151401:40:10,410 --> 01:40:12,810he says cheers. Can I get adivorce IQ boost?151501:40:13,020 --> 01:40:15,330Oh yes of course boost boostboost151601:40:19,350 --> 01:40:24,510gasp Casper eland throughfountain 3690 SATs and he says151701:40:24,510 --> 01:40:29,610thanks for the work. Thank youguys. Oh, here we go. How you151801:40:29,610 --> 01:40:34,770doing Chris here. Chris Fishersays 3333 sets to found and he151901:40:34,770 --> 01:40:38,640says we need a podcast or pushfor podcasting 2.0 apps. I152001:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,190initially had a lot of modernaudience try out the new app,152101:40:41,190 --> 01:40:43,860but I suspect many of them haveswitched back to their old app152201:40:43,980 --> 01:40:49,080UI boost, in part because we'rethe only podcast in the Linux152301:40:49,080 --> 01:40:53,400world preaching the good 2.0word. We need more advocacy of152401:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,370the full 2.0 feature set. Andwhy all that matters for the152501:40:56,370 --> 01:41:00,030competitive future of podcastingfrom the podcasters themselves152601:41:00,300 --> 01:41:02,700where they lead the audiencewill follow. Well, that's you've152701:41:02,700 --> 01:41:04,650been preaching that forever,madam. Whoosh.152801:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,790Yes, that's the only way itworks. And when you do, then it152901:41:08,790 --> 01:41:12,300works. I mean, look at this.Look at this podcast. It's153001:41:12,300 --> 01:41:18,300working. Now the real trial iscarrying the keeper. Because you153101:41:18,300 --> 01:41:20,970know, people like let me justsend you pay, pal? Nope. Let me153201:41:20,970 --> 01:41:23,940just say your cash Nope. Wewon't move not accepted. But we153301:41:23,940 --> 01:41:26,970really want to support you gotto go through the steps. It's153401:41:26,970 --> 01:41:34,200been painful. These are justplain old people who don't153501:41:34,200 --> 01:41:38,610really even use a podcast apptypically. And they hear us153601:41:38,610 --> 01:41:41,670talking about it. In the end.They're trying so hard. It's153701:41:41,670 --> 01:41:46,980beautiful to watch. But, man,it's hard. It's really it's hard153801:41:46,980 --> 01:41:49,890to get people so I do we justkeep pushing and people get153901:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,770people do it. They get througheventually they do. And they're154001:41:52,770 --> 01:41:55,560really proud when they do and Ihope that they then also check154101:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,470out other you know, it wasreally beautiful. Last night154201:41:58,470 --> 01:42:04,440there was was it on Fox, Iactually fall asleep almost154301:42:04,440 --> 01:42:07,290every single time during TuckerCarlson. I wasn't want to watch154401:42:07,290 --> 01:42:10,710because he takes our material. Iwant to see what he liked. And154501:42:10,740 --> 01:42:15,900it's true that he's producesfine. And so and I fall asleep.154601:42:15,900 --> 01:42:19,890Patina says Oh, did you see Didyou hear anything about the154701:42:19,890 --> 01:42:24,780woman was talking about Bitcointo know. So there was a I forget154801:42:24,780 --> 01:42:29,670her name Natalie something. Andshe has a podcast that she was154901:42:29,670 --> 01:42:32,700talking because normally Brunelis that yes, Natalie Brunel.155001:42:32,700 --> 01:42:37,740Exactly. And so the answer totalk about Bitcoin being155101:42:37,740 --> 01:42:40,110separate from crypto, and Tinasaid, yeah, you would have155201:42:40,110 --> 01:42:43,020really liked that. And sort ofwhat was named Tina didn't know155301:42:43,020 --> 01:42:47,040so I looked it up as a podcast.So I use the few things I have155401:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,270and out and Natalie coinstories, pop it up on curio155501:42:51,270 --> 01:42:54,930cache, or boom value value forvalue enabled, right there. And155601:42:54,930 --> 01:42:58,260I say, oh, that's and of courseI send a boost to grandma. I155701:42:58,260 --> 01:43:01,470don't know if what she's hookedinto she gets those messages at155801:43:01,470 --> 01:43:06,270all. That's really the when thepodcasters. That's the missing155901:43:06,270 --> 01:43:09,450part. So it's not just tellpeople how to do it what happens156001:43:09,450 --> 01:43:12,330and then Tina and I have seenthis on Korean Zookeeper. We're156101:43:12,330 --> 01:43:15,240reading booster grams and peoplelike I want to be read on the156201:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,990booster gram, we got to send abooster gram. So that's the156301:43:18,990 --> 01:43:23,070piece until the podcaster eitheris looking at it in well now of156401:43:23,070 --> 01:43:27,060course we have fountain we havesovereign feeds with you can156501:43:27,060 --> 01:43:30,240read that we have heli pad,obviously we have Satoshi156601:43:30,240 --> 01:43:34,470streams, until the podcaster cansee that and implemented into156701:43:34,470 --> 01:43:39,330the programming into the podcastitself. You don't get that level156801:43:39,330 --> 01:43:42,630of adoption. That's what drivesit. That's what makes it work.156901:43:43,020 --> 01:43:46,350And that's just my experience.Don't be known for long time.157001:43:47,010 --> 01:43:51,000Mentioned the amount mentionedthe short message. That's it157101:43:51,990 --> 01:43:54,330and take it from you becauseyou're literally writing the157201:43:54,330 --> 01:43:55,920book. I'm literally157301:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,280writing the book. I've beenliving the life for more than 14157401:43:59,280 --> 01:44:03,510years. No other income sporadicbut really no other income than157501:44:03,510 --> 01:44:05,790no agenda from value for value.157601:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,900Would you say that that's whereit always falls down? Is it when157701:44:09,900 --> 01:44:13,380it falls down? It always fallsdown right there where the where157801:44:13,440 --> 01:44:17,280the podcaster does not read thefeedback back into the show.157901:44:17,340 --> 01:44:17,610It's158001:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,720then it doesn't work. Yeah, it'snot just falling down. It just158101:44:21,720 --> 01:44:23,550it never lifts off. It's just a158201:44:23,550 --> 01:44:26,550critical piece that gets if it'snot there. It just doesn't158301:44:26,550 --> 01:44:27,120function.158401:44:27,480 --> 01:44:31,500I mean, and if you don't do it,then it just dries up. It stops.158501:44:32,010 --> 01:44:36,360Yeah, and it really is key thatyou have that segment in there.158601:44:39,030 --> 01:44:47,760Well, exemplified by Muppet 1856You sent us 177,600158701:45:02,250 --> 01:45:03,690Did you just fall under your158801:45:03,990 --> 01:45:06,210iron thermometer? Come on, man,I'm158901:45:06,210 --> 01:45:07,950too tight for this market. Thatwas awesome.159001:45:11,849 --> 01:45:14,519That was through cast ematic.And what's funny to me about159101:45:14,519 --> 01:45:17,999these donations that go thatbig, is you look on like, I know159201:45:17,999 --> 01:45:21,149for a fact that Casta Maticwon't let you won't let you load159301:45:21,149 --> 01:45:26,009up more than 50,000 SATs and ago. So he had to load up159401:45:26,039 --> 01:45:30,209multiple rounds in order to gethigh enough. Wow. And that one159501:45:30,209 --> 01:45:33,929boost, and then you hope thatthe podcast you're sending to as159601:45:33,929 --> 01:45:36,149a channel This at least bigenough to answer159701:45:36,209 --> 01:45:39,449that too. Yeah. So who? Who sentthis again? I'm sorry, I159801:45:39,449 --> 01:45:41,339completely didn't hear who sentit.159901:45:41,429 --> 01:45:45,779Yeah, this is my this is my thatwas 12 jingles ago. Yes. muppet.160001:45:45,779 --> 01:45:50,9391856 He's on the on. Yeah.160101:45:51,299 --> 01:45:52,889Cool, man. Thank you.160201:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,730He says Sir, Sir Geoffrey Zellensupporting you with a freedom160301:45:56,730 --> 01:45:57,810baller. Boost.160401:45:58,530 --> 01:46:02,730Freedom baller boost. Very, verycool, man. Thank you, Jeffrey.160501:46:02,730 --> 01:46:03,120Thank you.160601:46:03,629 --> 01:46:08,849Bucha thank you so much. Lyceumsent us 50,000 SATs through160701:46:08,849 --> 01:46:13,229fountain. He says thanks forshout out. I will mention your160801:46:13,229 --> 01:46:18,089show in the upcoming episode 126of ego net cast. Do I don't know160901:46:18,089 --> 01:46:18,809that show? Neither161001:46:18,810 --> 01:46:20,340do I. Okay, thank you.161101:46:21,810 --> 01:46:25,740Do you have a list of Satoshispecial numbers eg 1776 Liberty161201:46:25,740 --> 01:46:29,850boost commemorating the foundingfathers to two to two ducks.161301:46:30,090 --> 01:46:34,860ducks in a row boost for 20 Highfive for the hint boost. As161401:46:34,860 --> 01:46:38,010Martin Linda Skog and yeah,that's that's on there's a repo161501:46:38,010 --> 01:46:38,580for that.161601:46:38,700 --> 01:46:44,460Yeah. Is the striper boost inthere. He shouldn't be missing161701:46:44,490 --> 01:46:46,560there's a repo for that. Yeah,161801:46:46,830 --> 01:46:51,000so I don't know where it iscalled. I wonder if it's in the161901:46:51,000 --> 01:46:52,050boost bait repo162001:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,870booster gram. Repo GitHub.162101:46:58,140 --> 01:47:00,420I don't know where to look forit our recent boost Yeah, at Sur162201:47:00,420 --> 01:47:05,940Doug Sn is 4400 SATs and he saysV four v keep it up. Thank you162301:47:05,940 --> 01:47:06,510sir. Good.162401:47:06,990 --> 01:47:10,350Thank you very much, sir. Here'shere it is. I have it here.162501:47:10,410 --> 01:47:11,190Do you find it? Yeah, I'm162601:47:11,190 --> 01:47:16,170going to put this in the in theshow notes. 200 you want to hear162701:47:16,170 --> 01:47:20,610these? Wait, wait, let me see ifthe service so 7777 is not in162801:47:20,610 --> 01:47:24,600there. That's a striper boost.Because that's religious members162901:47:24,630 --> 01:47:27,600it's religious numbers right theperfect numbers perfect number163001:47:27,690 --> 01:47:32,340Yeah. Oh my goodness. There'sthere's a whole bunch here. But163101:47:32,340 --> 01:47:39,060the Jenny booths like the Jennyboost is my favorite 8675309163201:47:44,310 --> 01:47:47,610Macintosh and it's 500 SATs andhe says sweet episode this week163301:47:47,610 --> 01:47:51,360grit. Great interview withOscar. Thanks for all you to do163401:47:51,360 --> 01:47:52,230go podcasting.163501:47:52,890 --> 01:47:54,000Podcasting. Thank you163601:47:58,320 --> 01:48:04,500see floydian slips love thatname. Gave us 3456 sets and he163701:48:04,500 --> 01:48:07,770says I would like to welcome youto listen to my podcast, cooking163801:48:07,770 --> 01:48:08,580with AI Wait,163901:48:08,610 --> 01:48:09,540no.164001:48:11,550 --> 01:48:15,180Comics your blogger here.Different app or something?164101:48:15,330 --> 01:48:18,630No, this he's doing it backwardscooking with AI instead of a164201:48:18,780 --> 01:48:20,790cookie. Wait. Oh, I164301:48:20,790 --> 01:48:22,980see. Okay, this is a joke. Ilike it.164401:48:23,100 --> 01:48:26,040It's called podcasting for valueone idiots attempt to start a164501:48:26,040 --> 01:48:31,320value for value podcast. Thankyou. We just solved the164601:48:31,320 --> 01:48:36,210discovery problem with the boostsegment. Two Yes, absolutely.164701:48:36,210 --> 01:48:37,470This is a huge win.164801:48:37,530 --> 01:48:42,600Of course we we've had three sofar that you can listen to Sir164901:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,800Shanna the Allegheny Valley akaSean McCune through cast ematic165001:48:46,800 --> 01:48:51,690since 1000 says sisterscensorship resistant boosts165101:48:51,720 --> 01:48:59,640boost boost boost. Boost boost.Let's see is that coming165201:48:59,640 --> 01:49:06,900straight blogger came in. Twice.So I'll flip that one to the165301:49:06,900 --> 01:49:10,110end. Martin from pot friend Hey,Martin165401:49:10,110 --> 01:49:10,620fast.165501:49:11,730 --> 01:49:15,750Mr. Martin 4444 SAS and he saysI love seeing all the165601:49:15,780 --> 01:49:18,810advancements people are doingthe 2.0 space. Let's give all165701:49:18,810 --> 01:49:20,640the people in the trenches a bigapplause165801:49:21,960 --> 01:49:28,620right thanks, Martin. How's itgoing, man, we want to know how165901:49:28,620 --> 01:49:32,130you doing? How's How's thefamily? How's the house? Yeah.166001:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,860How's the how's the gaming hewasn't doing gaming stuff?166101:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,280Yeah, he's written an old schoola big gamer. He shows up on the166201:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,250in the dev meetings quite often.Close get to catch her within166301:49:41,250 --> 01:49:48,750there is a we got a cape since1033 SATs and he says fountain166401:49:48,750 --> 01:49:49,260boost.166501:49:49,290 --> 01:49:52,740Thank you very much. Boost.166601:49:54,570 --> 01:49:58,470Let's see. Karen is back againwith mer motors podcast nice and166701:49:58,470 --> 01:50:03,300as 1223 sets And he says Adamwith regards to your V four v166801:50:03,300 --> 01:50:06,960manifesto and people wanting toknow more the first season of166901:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,300the value for value podcastcovered most of the philosophy167001:50:09,300 --> 01:50:12,690behind what you've created. I'vealso just now started a second167101:50:12,690 --> 01:50:15,690season where I'll highlightclips from other value for value167201:50:15,690 --> 01:50:16,920podcasts This is a great idea167301:50:17,550 --> 01:50:20,760because you already had thisexists I think so I think he167401:50:20,760 --> 01:50:25,290just launched it's called thevalue for value podcast. He had167501:50:25,320 --> 01:50:28,740he had a first season that hejust had a few episodes I think167601:50:28,740 --> 01:50:32,280and he gave up on it and I thinkhe's coming back with a167701:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,010different format where he'splaying clips from other value167801:50:35,010 --> 01:50:37,200via with other visa vie shows167901:50:37,440 --> 01:50:40,590is it could titled value forpodcasting value for value is168001:50:40,590 --> 01:50:41,340that what is titled168101:50:41,700 --> 01:50:45,480I think it's just called Valuespace for fo our space value168201:50:45,570 --> 01:50:49,860value for our Why have I notbeen interviewed on this168301:50:49,860 --> 01:50:50,550podcast?168401:50:52,020 --> 01:50:53,400I don't know. Just168501:50:54,870 --> 01:50:58,110got back in action baby. He saysokay, subscribed.168601:51:01,230 --> 01:51:03,720And I showcase how differentpeople are implementing the168701:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,140model send a boost to that showor the mere mortals if you want168801:51:07,140 --> 01:51:12,240a feature. I just think this isgreat. That great coolness168901:51:12,240 --> 01:51:17,760format Yeah, it's cross is crosspodcast promotion with that.169001:51:18,360 --> 01:51:21,990What always gets me though, Imust be subscribed to this169101:51:21,990 --> 01:51:26,190because I had this problem withcurio caster. It's like, like,169201:51:26,190 --> 01:51:29,310where's the subscribe button?Oh, here it is. Boom. Okay,169301:51:29,610 --> 01:51:34,860boom. That big blue button.Yeah. Okay. Subscribe. Cool.169401:51:35,250 --> 01:51:35,700Thanks.169501:51:36,060 --> 01:51:41,190Here comes through blogger.There is a limiter there is 1033169601:51:41,190 --> 01:51:46,560sets he's up to because ofinflation. Batty, Dave and AC.169701:51:46,620 --> 01:51:49,890Are you ready for theEurovision? 2022 final tomorrow.169801:51:49,919 --> 01:51:51,659Oh man, am I ever169901:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,040Russia is banned. So as muchless fun. Well, thank you for170001:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,620your service to podcasting inyour audience as invited to170101:51:58,620 --> 01:52:01,020listen to your pod to ourpodcast about artificial170201:52:01,020 --> 01:52:04,170intelligence. Oh, really? Readread is if you heard of this170301:52:04,170 --> 01:52:08,760book at the time. Gregory Well,it's read is read by Gregory170401:52:08,760 --> 01:52:11,340William Forsythe Foreman fromKent. Oh, that's the guy who has170501:52:11,340 --> 01:52:16,860some pubs? Yeah, and the guy onnogen social.com. at GW FF Yeah.170601:52:16,860 --> 01:52:20,610GDSN just enter AI dot cookingin your web browser or in170701:52:20,610 --> 01:52:23,820podcasting. 1.0 or inpodcasting. 2.0 app. Yo,170801:52:23,910 --> 01:52:28,020yo, yo. Thank you very much.CSB.170901:52:28,410 --> 01:52:34,380Appreciate the monthly donors.Okay, dynamite. Have you heard171001:52:34,380 --> 01:52:37,410of this app? Pod verse.171101:52:37,620 --> 01:52:39,990I have heard of pod verse. It'sit's pretty good.171201:52:40,650 --> 01:52:41,490It is pretty good.171301:52:41,880 --> 01:52:42,600All right.171401:52:47,610 --> 01:52:48,900Oh, right.171501:52:48,930 --> 01:52:50,790Nice. Thank you, Mitch,171601:52:51,180 --> 01:52:55,140in coming in. I mean, coming intight. close on the heels.171701:52:55,140 --> 01:52:57,990There's another guy named Mitchdown. He was $10 a month. And171801:52:57,990 --> 01:52:59,850who's this guy? This is so171901:52:59,850 --> 01:53:02,340nice. That's my personaldonation.172001:53:02,370 --> 01:53:06,000And thank you, ma'am. Yeah, solet's really appreciate Mitch,172101:53:06,000 --> 01:53:06,210thank172201:53:06,210 --> 01:53:09,150you. I'm not trying to doubledip here with the two shoutouts.172301:53:09,240 --> 01:53:12,540No, condense it into a $60donation?172401:53:12,780 --> 01:53:14,100No, no, no, don't do that. Thank172501:53:14,100 --> 01:53:14,850you very much.172601:53:16,050 --> 01:53:21,030Alice gates $25 to the gasconsultant. Thank you, sir.172701:53:22,260 --> 01:53:26,040highlighted today because of thegreat work with a live item and172801:53:26,040 --> 01:53:27,690pod paying on pot for and172901:53:27,720 --> 01:53:30,990future live stream of the boardmeeting at least from this part173001:53:30,990 --> 01:53:34,170with the no agenda tube? I hope.173101:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,160Yes. These types. These these.Monica when we call Alex, the173201:53:38,160 --> 01:53:42,570podcast consultant. We're notkidding. We mean it literally is173301:53:42,570 --> 01:53:47,760the podcast continues.Podcasting 2.0 consultant, David173401:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,400Norman. It's good to see Davidback. He's popping in and out173501:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,380now. Yeah, I still haven't173601:53:52,380 --> 01:53:55,830seen his new studio back end. Ithink drivers using it and if173701:53:55,830 --> 01:53:58,320they're trouble if they'redebugging and stuff, but I'm173801:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,220excited about it.173901:54:00,060 --> 01:54:04,350$25 Thank you, Dave hybridcatcher.com Lauren ballgames.174001:54:04,350 --> 01:54:07,830$24.20 Thank you, Lauren.Thanks, Lauren. always174101:54:07,830 --> 01:54:09,990appreciated. Paul Saltzman174201:54:11,250 --> 01:54:12,24022 Yep.174301:54:12,810 --> 01:54:18,630No ducks. Thank you, Paul. DerekJ Vickery. Great name $21 Thank174401:54:18,630 --> 01:54:24,330you. Darren Carrick. DamonCastle Jack $15 Jeremy174501:54:24,330 --> 01:54:31,710Kavanaugh. $10 Christopher hora,Barack $10 Sir Soren molar $5174601:54:31,710 --> 01:54:35,490Terry killer $5 Jeffrey,Retford, $5 and CRISPR cow and174701:54:35,490 --> 01:54:37,020$5. That's our group.174801:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,390Thank you all so much,particularly these monthlies is174901:54:39,390 --> 01:54:42,780highly appreciated, really is.Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.175001:54:43,200 --> 01:54:47,520You can also consider using thecommand line boost, put it on,175101:54:48,150 --> 01:54:52,020put it on a cron job that worksfor us to pay pal may be easier175201:54:52,020 --> 01:54:55,380for you. Thank you all forsupporting the project for175301:54:55,380 --> 01:54:58,920supporting the show and makingus feel like it all makes sense175401:54:58,950 --> 01:55:04,110and it does And so with that,I'm going to immediately touch175501:55:04,110 --> 01:55:08,790the third rail. Oh, how youdoing with fixing that capture175601:55:08,790 --> 01:55:14,490Dave? It is done. It is a works.Oh man, you just gotta give me175701:55:14,520 --> 01:55:18,990just gotta give me the bottomline. I'm what that was, like175801:55:18,990 --> 01:55:22,320that was broken for days. That'snot a Dave Jones type thing when175901:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,330it's broken for days whathappened?176001:55:24,570 --> 01:55:27,390Okay, Mitch, you're going to, Idon't know, if you're going to176101:55:27,390 --> 01:55:29,850commiserate with me, or ifyou're just going to think I'm176201:55:29,850 --> 01:55:37,890an idiot, but maybe a littleboth the. So I just know nothing176301:55:37,920 --> 01:55:45,570about Webpack in and like inReact and I literally don't know176401:55:45,570 --> 01:55:51,360what I'm doing at all. I knownode, I'm comfortable with Node176501:55:52,170 --> 01:55:55,320Webpack is always been acomplete mystery to me, it's176601:55:55,320 --> 01:55:58,710like, you run a command. Andthen a bunch of magic happens176701:55:58,710 --> 01:56:03,810and this stuff just works. Andso then what Steven crater had176801:56:03,810 --> 01:56:09,240done. And, and I'm so thankfulfor, for his work on that he had176901:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,960gotten in and just cleaned up alot of stuff on the site and put177001:56:12,960 --> 01:56:19,800in, he had built the AD AD feedpage. So where people could sell177101:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,770service, add their feed to theindex, and he had a CAPTCHA on177201:56:22,770 --> 01:56:27,900it, you know, sort of aprotection. So the CAPTCHA needs177301:56:27,900 --> 01:56:31,440a site key, which is like a bigGu ID and it's unique for each177401:56:31,440 --> 01:56:32,850site that you put the CAPTCHAon,177501:56:32,879 --> 01:56:35,969so that you can train the AIwith all your stupid CAPTCHA177601:56:35,969 --> 01:56:36,419class.177701:56:37,140 --> 01:56:42,600Yeah, and so the, the site key,you don't really want to hard177801:56:42,600 --> 01:56:47,760code that into the, you know,into the page, you really want177901:56:47,760 --> 01:56:50,370that to be a separate value,because if somebody, if you're178001:56:50,370 --> 01:56:52,320going to run it, somebody elseis going to download the code178101:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,660and run it, they want adifferent psyche, you don't want178201:56:54,660 --> 01:56:57,210to happen, because the end andalso then where every time you178301:56:57,210 --> 01:57:03,330do a code update, or do a gitpull it overwrites with yours178401:57:03,330 --> 01:57:05,970your stuff anyway, you want thatvalue to be to live somewhere178501:57:05,970 --> 01:57:09,750else. And it will be great if itlived in the dot E and V file178601:57:09,750 --> 01:57:12,060with all the with all the restof the environment variables.178701:57:12,360 --> 01:57:13,380That's where I like it.178801:57:14,400 --> 01:57:15,120Right in the end,178901:57:16,470 --> 01:57:18,420to get right in the end, is179001:57:19,440 --> 01:57:26,820right up in there. So we putthe, put it in there. And then179101:57:26,820 --> 01:57:30,810I'm expecting it to just to beable to just reference it with179201:57:30,930 --> 01:57:35,490with the process dot E and Vdot, the variable name or the179301:57:35,490 --> 01:57:40,830constant name. And it just No,it just doesn't, it doesn't179401:57:40,830 --> 01:57:48,480work. Well, then you and StevenB. Both told me on the on the179501:57:48,480 --> 01:57:52,260mastodon that we should be itshould be using like Dotty and v179601:57:52,290 --> 01:57:56,220dot v and v and NPM package. Andthat's supposed to like expose179701:57:56,820 --> 01:58:00,480these variables into yourprocess dot E and V when they're179801:58:00,480 --> 01:58:05,310normally not there. This is alllike, this is all like a179901:58:05,310 --> 01:58:07,140different language to me. Imean, it's like you're just180001:58:07,140 --> 01:58:10,650speaking in Russian because Idon't understand even what the180101:58:10,650 --> 01:58:13,650difference is between what'sgoing on with node and Webpack.180201:58:13,650 --> 01:58:15,780And everything. This is180301:58:15,780 --> 01:58:18,930some of the trickiest parts ofReact anything that involves web180401:58:19,050 --> 01:58:22,950pack, because that's likecompiling, and pulling in180501:58:22,980 --> 01:58:25,620variables and stuff like that.So you do have to be careful not180601:58:25,620 --> 01:58:29,970to expose the private variables.But that's the beautiful thing180701:58:29,970 --> 01:58:33,900about podcasts index dot socialis that there's people there180801:58:33,900 --> 01:58:37,380that are happy to help andtotally guide through this180901:58:37,380 --> 01:58:38,010process.181001:58:38,850 --> 01:58:41,730Summer says versus what isdeemed Jennifer has to say about181101:58:41,730 --> 01:58:42,960all web pack talk.181201:58:47,070 --> 01:58:49,320She doesn't have she doesn't sheonly has math.181301:58:50,970 --> 01:58:58,920It's so when you talk math.Thanks. Dry. Talk math to me.181401:58:59,400 --> 01:59:04,590Oh, man. That was that washeavy. We banned that one. We181501:59:04,590 --> 01:59:07,110might have banned. Sorry. Ithink we181601:59:08,220 --> 01:59:14,100did. Yeah, that's, yeah, we'regetting the platform. So So I181701:59:14,100 --> 01:59:18,180finally figured out if itfinally sort of conceptually181801:59:18,180 --> 01:59:27,450made sense to me, and I realizedthat Webpack is not running with181901:59:27,450 --> 01:59:35,040node. It's, it's compiling toit's, it's compiling static182001:59:35,070 --> 01:59:38,610HTML, and Java is compiling intostatic HTML and JavaScript. So182101:59:38,610 --> 01:59:42,720when you run Webpack, you'rebuilding the you're building a182201:59:42,720 --> 01:59:45,720static site, which node thenserves?182301:59:48,060 --> 01:59:49,980Yes, that sounds right. Yeah.Welcome.182401:59:51,060 --> 01:59:55,680Welcome before Welcome to Whateverybody knew 12 years ago. And182501:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,640so once I realized that then I'mlike, Ah, da, no wonder you182601:59:59,640 --> 02:00:04,320can't Put, you can't referenceprocess study and V variables182702:00:04,320 --> 02:00:07,230because there there is noprocess dot E and V like it's182802:00:07,260 --> 02:00:11,640it's not there, because it's astatic website. And it can't182902:00:11,640 --> 02:00:15,180reference it for the staticcode. So anyway, so then I went183002:00:15,180 --> 02:00:19,020back and finally figured out,okay, there's this other package183102:00:19,020 --> 02:00:22,200called Dotty and v dash Webpack.And then blah, blah, blah, and,183202:00:22,650 --> 02:00:28,530and now we're all good. And thatonly that process was a was a a183302:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,010svelte four days of work, sothat's great.183402:00:33,930 --> 02:00:36,960That's what it felt like to us,too. I loved all the emails183502:00:36,960 --> 02:00:42,120coming into to it was an infoword podcast. index.org Hey,183602:00:42,120 --> 02:00:47,490man. It's just broken man fixershit. I love those I love.183702:00:47,940 --> 02:00:50,310I didn't know anybody even usedit. And like evidently, like183802:00:50,310 --> 02:00:52,740100,000 People use this page.Well,183902:00:52,740 --> 02:00:55,590that's the beauty of it. I mean,a lot of people are using that.184002:00:55,590 --> 02:00:58,800There's a lot. There's a lotgoing on. I was quite pleased to184102:00:58,800 --> 02:00:59,670see all that.184202:01:00,270 --> 02:01:04,770Yeah. And I was like, you know,I refused to just go in there184302:01:04,770 --> 02:01:07,530and hard code it just to fix it.I'm like, No, I'm doing this the184402:01:07,530 --> 02:01:08,310right very good.184502:01:08,880 --> 02:01:16,890Hardcore, hardcore, Dave Jones.Love that. Okay. All right.184602:01:17,220 --> 02:01:22,110And personally, I want topersonally say apologies to184702:01:22,110 --> 02:01:26,400Mitch, for dropping youinadvertently off of new podcast184802:01:26,400 --> 02:01:32,190apps.com Oh, noes, which is isnow fixed. But you the app was184902:01:32,190 --> 02:01:35,310not shown because the filterswere set wrong. And that's,185002:01:35,340 --> 02:01:38,370that's fixed now. Okay. Sorry.Oh,185102:01:38,790 --> 02:01:42,180no problem. And now accessiblenow accessible through new185202:01:42,210 --> 02:01:47,730podcast. apps.com. If youprefer, Mitch, thank you so185302:01:47,730 --> 02:01:50,850much, man, not just for beinghere on on a Friday. But for185402:01:50,850 --> 02:01:53,430everything you do the leap offaith you took and podcasting185502:01:53,430 --> 02:01:58,3502.0 is incredibly commendableand highly appreciated. I really185602:01:58,350 --> 02:01:59,190love what you're doing.185702:01:59,820 --> 02:02:02,370Oh, no problem. I love that youguys came around and started185802:02:02,370 --> 02:02:06,540this, this is the most excitingthing I've ever worked on. And185902:02:07,440 --> 02:02:12,510your the app is going far beyondanything I imagined because of186002:02:12,540 --> 02:02:15,060all these new features that arebeing brought into podcasting.186102:02:15,060 --> 02:02:18,4202.0. So thank you guys andeverybody in the community.186202:02:18,630 --> 02:02:22,980Yeah. Also, I use sovereignfeeds. I have a Lightning186302:02:22,980 --> 02:02:25,860Network Address now. Oh, good.About two minutes. Yes. You're186402:02:25,860 --> 02:02:27,900gonna send that to me? Yes, I186502:02:27,900 --> 02:02:31,350put it in the IRC chat echo thatscrolled off a long time ago.186602:02:31,860 --> 02:02:34,950All right. Just put on the emailor something. That'd be awkward186702:02:34,950 --> 02:02:39,120if you could even do it onsocial anywhere, because you can186802:02:39,150 --> 02:02:41,220you can post that publicly.Okay.186902:02:42,390 --> 02:02:45,930I want to save in, you know,give gift, pod versus tribe187002:02:45,930 --> 02:02:51,540because pod pod verse. One knockthat we hear from time to time187102:02:51,540 --> 02:02:54,750about podcasting. 2.0 apps isbecause of because we're187202:02:54,750 --> 02:02:57,300building this is all sausagebeing made. It's all running187302:02:57,300 --> 02:03:00,420with scissors. You know, it'sthings are buggy. I mean, this187402:03:00,420 --> 02:03:04,440is all new, new code and things.Things don't have the spit and187502:03:04,440 --> 02:03:08,730polish that you know, andpodcast apps that have been187602:03:08,730 --> 02:03:13,560around for 10 plus years do andbut you know, pod verse is187702:03:13,560 --> 02:03:17,130stable. It's a very it's astable app that rarely messes up187802:03:17,130 --> 02:03:19,260and it's got every feature youcan think and187902:03:19,260 --> 02:03:24,570I use it on the on the grapheneOS and I have my my own node188002:03:24,570 --> 02:03:28,320hooked up to it. Not into my ownwallet apps or not. No, but I188102:03:28,320 --> 02:03:32,160have a wallet hooked up to it.It works perfectly. Yeah. Loving188202:03:32,160 --> 02:03:35,550it. Thanks, guys. Yes, thankyou, everybody in the chat room.188302:03:35,550 --> 02:03:39,390Thank you. Of course, Steven Bfor curieux Castro and sovereign188402:03:39,390 --> 02:03:42,180feeds and your assistance,everybody. Thank you so much,188502:03:42,210 --> 02:03:45,330Dave. Thank you my friend. Thankyou, my brother. Well, thank you188602:03:45,330 --> 02:03:48,510so much. That's it everybody.That is your board meeting. We188702:03:48,510 --> 02:03:52,350will return next week. And wemight be on the summer schedule188802:03:52,350 --> 02:03:54,690soon. So make sure you join usfor the board meeting of188902:03:54,690 --> 02:03:56,250podcasting 2.0.189002:04:11,610 --> 02:04:16,170You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast189102:04:16,170 --> 02:04:18,690index.com for more information.189202:04:20,100 --> 02:04:21,690We have the boots