Episode 84: All Aboard to On-Board!

1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:05,910 podcasting 2.0 for May 6 2020, to Episode 84 All aboard to 2 00:00:05,910 --> 00:00:11,340 onboard that's exactly what we'll be talking about today. 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,420 Onboarding podcasting 2.0 Hello everybody welcome to the 4 00:00:15,420 --> 00:00:18,210 official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 every single 5 00:00:18,210 --> 00:00:23,820 week, the pod sage and myself. We break it all down, tried to 6 00:00:23,820 --> 00:00:26,700 give you a report on what's happening with podcasting 2.0 7 00:00:26,940 --> 00:00:30,660 with the podcast standards, the new namespace and of course 8 00:00:30,660 --> 00:00:34,560 everything happening at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,260 here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. My 10 00:00:37,260 --> 00:00:40,770 partner in crime the man so wise they name him sage ladies and 11 00:00:40,770 --> 00:00:44,520 gentlemen, my friend on the other end Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:51,720 Alexander's Sultan Knutson. Yes, that's the guy with the hardest 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,280 to spill name. In the history of, of people. 14 00:00:56,430 --> 00:01:00,480 Yes. Yes. Why do I know this name? What do I know this guy 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:00,870 from? 16 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:04,620 Yeah, he's the the Soviet dissident. 17 00:01:04,710 --> 00:01:07,140 Yeah, okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I've 18 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:11,580 been reading his speech that he delivered at Harvard, like the 19 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:17,850 Harvard commencement speech. And it's quite good. Just happened 20 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:22,200 to be sitting on my desk. And so I remember to remember that I've 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,960 tried to type his name 17 times this week and never gotten it 22 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:25,680 right a single time. 23 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:29,490 And was there anything relevant to podcasting? 2.0 was Alexander 24 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:33,450 and his his writings? Absolutely not. Oh, good. Oh, good. At 25 00:01:33,450 --> 00:01:36,930 least we know, we're starting off on a good foot. Hey, man, 26 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:42,480 onboarding is it this week? Okay, crazy, crazy onboarding. 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,630 For me personally, at least. The first, though, there's the first 28 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:54,870 one is a show from the Netherlands called the ensign 29 00:01:54,870 --> 00:02:00,690 show. It loosely translated to the Jenson show. And this is a 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,020 it's a podcast. He also has a video version. But he puts it 31 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:10,800 was podcast first. Then he still kind of audio first. And he's 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,000 I've known him for 25 years from the Netherlands. And he was very 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,050 had a couple of very successful television shows. He he ran 34 00:02:19,050 --> 00:02:25,590 radio stations did morning shows very kind of by himself in his 35 00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:28,410 own little stratosphere. And also new people don't know a lot 36 00:02:28,410 --> 00:02:33,480 about him. You know, it's kind of a typical for DJ, 37 00:02:34,049 --> 00:02:36,809 that he was a DJ, he wasn't like management or whatever. No, no, 38 00:02:36,809 --> 00:02:37,649 he was a DJ. But 39 00:02:37,649 --> 00:02:41,309 he also did run radio, the radio stations, and now that's all all 40 00:02:41,309 --> 00:02:45,419 DJs eventually do that and then hate it. Like, Hey, man, I can 41 00:02:45,419 --> 00:02:48,389 run this thing better than the MD or the PD. And then you run 42 00:02:48,389 --> 00:02:50,939 it like, and everyone hates you. And like, Screw it. I don't want 43 00:02:50,939 --> 00:02:54,209 to do this. But he also did a number of talk shows, and I've 44 00:02:54,209 --> 00:02:57,029 been on his talk show many times, always funny. But I mean, 45 00:02:57,029 --> 00:02:59,999 the guy is hilarious. He did a whole that he did a very 46 00:02:59,999 --> 00:03:03,509 controversial series, which NL produces all this stuff himself, 47 00:03:03,509 --> 00:03:08,909 his shows everything, he always produces himself. In 2015, he 48 00:03:08,939 --> 00:03:11,939 came to the States and went all across America talking about 49 00:03:12,029 --> 00:03:14,789 Trump and trying to understand where it was coming from. So he 50 00:03:14,789 --> 00:03:19,529 came to see me in Austin as well. Anyway, when he after 51 00:03:19,529 --> 00:03:23,699 that, he started yet another talk show. And it was a more 52 00:03:23,699 --> 00:03:28,289 conservative tent, conservative guests. You know, they don't 53 00:03:28,289 --> 00:03:31,109 really have Republicans and Democrats in the Netherlands, 54 00:03:31,109 --> 00:03:33,809 you have multiple parties, but for sure, it's a socialist 55 00:03:33,809 --> 00:03:36,929 country. So it's very, it's left leaning and the media is, is 56 00:03:36,929 --> 00:03:40,409 just this, there's no room for anything else. And so, and it 57 00:03:40,409 --> 00:03:44,789 was very, it was very much discussed, you know, the ratings 58 00:03:44,789 --> 00:03:47,879 weren't super huge. They kind of put it in a weird time slot on a 59 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:51,689 weird station, you know, between you 68 And you 70 There you are, 60 00:03:51,689 --> 00:03:55,319 there's there's your signal. And so he eventually said 61 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,310 like UHF Yeah. 62 00:03:58,230 --> 00:04:02,610 As an analogy, but his time slot was no good. And so he said, 63 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:05,340 Screw this screw the mainstream media and he started his own 64 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:09,000 podcast and I talked to him for quite a lot. This was during 65 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:12,300 Friday around the pandemic starting and I explained value 66 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:15,990 for value and so he started with value for value and he never 67 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:21,120 looked back. And but and a lot of it was he does focus a lot on 68 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,840 video and you know, so he, he saw what was happening YouTube 69 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:28,410 was starting to shadow ban him so he pulled everything off you 70 00:04:28,410 --> 00:04:34,110 to put up his own stuff on his own server was still doing the 71 00:04:34,110 --> 00:04:40,980 podcast as a companion. And then Spotify kicked him off Spotify 72 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:46,290 and unbeknownst to me, he was using anchor as his host to 73 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,610 retro so they deleted his feed deleted all the files done and I 74 00:04:50,610 --> 00:04:53,910 noticed this because I know he does like three Shows a week and 75 00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:56,430 three or four and especially delete 76 00:04:56,430 --> 00:05:00,210 so he got deleted, deleted actually deeply. Yeah, clearly A 77 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:04,800 clearly a Russian disinformation Yes, 78 00:05:04,830 --> 00:05:07,770 obviously, yes. Oh, carrying water for Putin. Oh, there was 79 00:05:07,950 --> 00:05:10,380 when he was doing that podcast It was when he just started was 80 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:13,770 very controversial. There was even a news article that the 81 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,700 army had been investigating for some reason that military 82 00:05:17,850 --> 00:05:21,090 division of the government had been investigating his podcast, 83 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,790 God Almighty. So he's one of us, Dave, he's, he's a pirate, you 84 00:05:26,790 --> 00:05:33,450 know, he gets it. He's a great program, producer. And so he got 85 00:05:33,450 --> 00:05:36,060 completely deleted. And I noticed because I was like, Hey, 86 00:05:36,060 --> 00:05:38,220 where's the show? I don't see the show. And then I go to his 87 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:41,820 website. And I see there's been two episodes since I haven't 88 00:05:41,820 --> 00:05:44,460 gotten an update. And I figure pretty quickly Oh, all right. So 89 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:47,280 I see what's happening. And then someone people started pinging 90 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,940 me on actually interesting on podcast, index dot social, which 91 00:05:50,940 --> 00:05:56,130 seems to be more active than Twitter for me. And so I call 92 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:58,440 him up and say, bro, what's going on explains the story. So 93 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,200 what we need to immediately get you go and see what the problem 94 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,350 is, I can't go with a hosting company, because they cut off 95 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:07,470 the hosting, you know, it's like, and what am I going to do, 96 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:10,710 and I need, you know, we have a server. And he has, he has that 97 00:06:10,710 --> 00:06:13,410 he has all set up for his video files and everything. So he has 98 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:16,650 that cost under control. And he's has a partnership with a 99 00:06:16,650 --> 00:06:19,080 company he trust. And there are a lot of cool people and 100 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:21,150 certainly in the Netherlands that you can trust with your 101 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:25,080 bandwidth and your server. See no agenda also running from 102 00:06:25,980 --> 00:06:29,610 basically avoid zero running it from the northern part of 103 00:06:29,610 --> 00:06:34,410 Holland. And I say, well, then we'll we're going to set you up 104 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:37,230 right now we're going to do you 2.0 all the way and I say you're 105 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:38,670 going to use sovereign feeds. 106 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,570 Yeah, for you onboard somebody to write to 107 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:48,060 sovereign feeds you bet. And so he does have one, one guy who 108 00:06:48,060 --> 00:06:50,850 does all of the kind of the mechanics of the production, so 109 00:06:50,850 --> 00:06:54,240 I work with him. And it was really interesting to see 110 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,330 someone go from a completely managed solution, which an 111 00:06:57,330 --> 00:07:00,780 anchor is pretty good for, you know, the interface the UX is 112 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:07,350 understandable to go to that to sovereign feed. And, you know, I 113 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,220 struggle a little bit with okay, what is all this stuff, this is 114 00:07:11,220 --> 00:07:14,850 new to me. He didn't he didn't fill out the goods. So that 115 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:21,480 would that was an issue upon ingesting. He did. And pod Ping 116 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,300 was it was very, he sent me something wasn't working was 117 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:27,150 actually a bug, which we tracked down pretty quick thanks to 118 00:07:27,150 --> 00:07:34,050 Steven. And he sent me a screen recording of what he was doing 119 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:37,080 with POD ping. And it was really interesting, you know, the 120 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,500 disconnect. This is so obvious, you know, he's so he would hit 121 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:45,480 save, hit pod ping, then hit Create RSS. And then upload it. 122 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,930 So you're completely the wrong sequence of backwards? Yeah, so 123 00:07:49,050 --> 00:07:51,750 all of the it's just fascinating to watch. Now, of course, I 124 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:55,380 explained it to him walk them through it. And but the 125 00:07:55,500 --> 00:08:00,180 conversely the oh, wow factor, when he said, Oh, shit, it's 126 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:03,870 already in the index. That's it. Yeah. Grab one of these apps. He 127 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:07,020 said, Oh, my God, this is really cool. I don't have to, like, 128 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:11,070 talk to all these fucking apps and get them to add my my shows 129 00:08:11,070 --> 00:08:11,580 and Nope. 130 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:16,170 Yeah, you don't have to wait. You don't have to wait and cross 131 00:08:16,170 --> 00:08:16,680 your fingers 132 00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:19,950 or register, you know, register, like, you know, like you do with 133 00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:23,640 Apple. And it says, So, are we on Apple? So no, absolutely not. 134 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:26,670 But you can resubmit to Apple or people can add it manually. 135 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:31,050 Okay. And this is great. This is this is this is more what I want 136 00:08:31,050 --> 00:08:35,100 is this is this is like pirating. This is cool. Does, 137 00:08:35,130 --> 00:08:37,560 and he's bringing in a quite a large audience several million. 138 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:43,590 Oh, wow. He's big. He's very, very big. And, and, you know, 139 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:46,650 once this is kind of stable, so they've had to recreate it put 140 00:08:46,650 --> 00:08:50,880 in four episodes in their feed once a stable, and you know, 141 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,080 they have their update process, because, you know, they actually 142 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,720 want to talk to Steven about putting in a web hook or 143 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,050 something to upload to their server. And so I'll connect all 144 00:09:01,050 --> 00:09:03,570 that when the time is due. This is this is what I've been hoping 145 00:09:03,570 --> 00:09:06,390 would happen. Yeah, that's a neat idea, you know, or FTP, 146 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:09,240 even for all our SFTP, whatever, whatever you use. 147 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:15,090 So they sound like they kind of know, maybe not know what 148 00:09:15,090 --> 00:09:17,940 they're doing as far as far as RSS goes, but they have the 149 00:09:17,940 --> 00:09:19,380 technical know how to get it done. 150 00:09:19,410 --> 00:09:24,930 Yes, exactly. And the drive the drive, the motivation is there. 151 00:09:25,050 --> 00:09:29,520 Yeah. So it but it was really an issue, for me a very enjoyable 152 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,570 process to go through and to see someone who really was in dire 153 00:09:33,570 --> 00:09:37,080 straits and was saying, Hey, I'm not quite sure what to do here. 154 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,990 And you know, I got the video stuff under control, but I don't 155 00:09:39,990 --> 00:09:46,530 know how to get into these podcast apps. And so next is, as 156 00:09:46,530 --> 00:09:49,140 I said, once we stabilize then it's going to be value for 157 00:09:49,140 --> 00:09:54,090 value. And now here's what I liked a lot because that those 158 00:09:54,090 --> 00:10:00,450 two things is is what they knew about me. The index You know, 159 00:10:00,570 --> 00:10:04,440 it's where you go where you can't be canceled. And then the 160 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:12,240 censorship resistant payment mechanism that is built into it. 161 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:17,250 Right? What was interesting, he says, Hey, how do I do this 162 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:25,650 chapter thing? You see what I'm saying? You onboard someone with 163 00:10:25,650 --> 00:10:28,260 something that's really obvious to them, even though they have 164 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:31,980 no idea how it works. And then they are exposed to all these 165 00:10:31,980 --> 00:10:33,030 other features. 166 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:37,380 It looks like that, that's, that's what you would call a 167 00:10:37,380 --> 00:10:39,690 call in the business cross selling. 168 00:10:41,310 --> 00:10:45,150 My point is, look how many people we've on boarded with 169 00:10:45,150 --> 00:10:49,680 value for value who, you know, if you use any of our apps, 170 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,810 almost any of them have value for value. They also have 171 00:10:51,810 --> 00:10:55,320 chapters, many have transcripts, you have a lot of these these 172 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,780 namespace features are available in them. And my point is, as as 173 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:04,350 production people, they just want to get up and running. 174 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,230 Okay, so what you know over that value thing that's we're going 175 00:11:07,230 --> 00:11:10,050 to work on next. Okay, what is this chapters? How do I do that? 176 00:11:11,580 --> 00:11:16,500 Okay, stop the show. Stop the show. Yes. Stop show that the 177 00:11:16,530 --> 00:11:17,610 our feed is broken. 178 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:20,640 Our feed is broken. Yes. Do 179 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,390 you know about this? 180 00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:25,020 No. What did I updated it what is broken about it? 181 00:11:25,650 --> 00:11:29,520 You I think you're gonna have to go back to sovereign feeds. Yes. 182 00:11:30,270 --> 00:11:34,830 And unlike save it again or whatever, it publish it again. 183 00:11:34,830 --> 00:11:39,180 Or however that works. Because it's, I'm looking at is broken. 184 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:42,960 It says error on line 45 at column eight start tagging valid 185 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,570 element name. And then Oh, I see it to even be said he introduced 186 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:50,220 a bug and he just did a code revert. 187 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,920 Oh, okay. Well, good. So but I have to Okay, hold on a second. 188 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,140 Revert. He did a code. Okay. There's something I need to 189 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:02,070 teach people. 190 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,880 You don't let me I'm gonna 191 00:12:06,390 --> 00:12:09,390 don't do it right before the show. Don't do it before the 192 00:12:09,390 --> 00:12:13,380 show during the show. This is all not so I have to reload the 193 00:12:13,380 --> 00:12:19,380 page. Right. So this is not this is not good. Don't do that. 194 00:12:19,380 --> 00:12:22,920 Okay, hold on a second. Hello, everybody. You just now 195 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,930 Saturday. Welcome back to the show. 196 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,980 Stephen bases, man, my butt crack is sweaty. 197 00:12:30,540 --> 00:12:35,370 We just spent I don't know 20 minutes on, on trying to we were 198 00:12:35,370 --> 00:12:39,030 running with scissors and E up so once I got poked out. 199 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:43,230 Oh, yeah. I fell down in the winter straight through the fee. 200 00:12:43,410 --> 00:12:46,020 And I love that I was just pontificating about the 201 00:12:46,020 --> 00:12:51,000 onboarding process. This is so fantastic. This kicks ass. Let's 202 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,400 bring in our guests into the boardroom who's been waiting 203 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,420 very patiently for the for the past. What are we now well, for 204 00:12:57,420 --> 00:13:03,300 quite a while. fits perfectly with this onboarding a theme for 205 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:09,660 today that please welcome the founder, creator of head honcho. 206 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,400 All round. Nice guy for fountain.fm. Ladies and 207 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:21,780 gentlemen, Mr. Oscar Mary. Who is muted? Who has muted him. 208 00:13:21,780 --> 00:13:23,340 There you go. Hello, Oscar. 209 00:13:23,730 --> 00:13:25,440 Hey, Dave, how's it going? 210 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:29,160 Oh, good. Just Just to add to the malaise now now you have a 211 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,390 crappy connection. Yeah. Oh, it just cleared up. cleared up. 212 00:13:33,390 --> 00:13:35,670 Come closer to the mic, my friend. Come on in. Can you hear 213 00:13:35,670 --> 00:13:40,290 me? Yeah, she's got it. You might want to reconnect Oscar. I 214 00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:44,130 hate to say it, but you help me. Yeah, you've got some kind of 215 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:47,880 Robocop thing going on. There we go. Hey, Dave, this is great. 216 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:51,510 Welcome. Welcome to the future. Hey, guys. There you go. Hey, 217 00:13:51,510 --> 00:13:53,910 Oscar. How you doing? Yeah, much better. Yeah, 218 00:13:53,970 --> 00:13:56,160 I'm good. I'm good. How are you guys doing? 219 00:13:56,190 --> 00:13:59,100 Yeah, we're good. Sorry about this malaise that we put you 220 00:13:59,100 --> 00:13:59,550 through? 221 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,070 Oh, no, that's all good. You know what's funny, I was just 222 00:14:02,070 --> 00:14:06,060 thinking, while all of that was happening about the first week 223 00:14:06,090 --> 00:14:10,020 that we actually launched fountain. And I remember because 224 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:14,010 something very similar happened, which at the time just was so 225 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:20,010 awful for me, which was we submitted the app to Apple. And 226 00:14:20,550 --> 00:14:24,510 I think you very kindly talked about founding on no agenda for 227 00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:28,890 the first time. Yeah. And just before you did that, we 228 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,650 submitted a new version to Apple, which had a bug in it. I 229 00:14:34,650 --> 00:14:39,810 remember, it didn't allow anyone to send a boost. And it was just 230 00:14:39,810 --> 00:14:43,830 so gutting the day that you were talking about us for the first 231 00:14:43,830 --> 00:14:48,510 time. We'd broken the entire app, so yeah, it's very painful. 232 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:49,950 Get through 233 00:14:50,010 --> 00:14:54,030 Yes. Well, don't worry. There will be many more times I can I 234 00:14:54,030 --> 00:14:59,970 can promote the app for sure. Oscar man, it's you know, the 235 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,850 Before we start talking about anything I want to say it was 236 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:06,300 really nice hooking up with you at the, at the Bitcoin 237 00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:07,800 Conference which you came in for. 238 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,670 Yeah, it was great to meet you to shame. Dave, you couldn't be 239 00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:14,880 there. But it's always so good to meet people in person, and 240 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,790 especially being over here in the UK, it doesn't happen too 241 00:15:17,790 --> 00:15:20,010 often. So yeah, hopefully we can do it again. So 242 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,630 did you do? What what did you learn? Did you connect with any 243 00:15:24,630 --> 00:15:27,420 people was any business to be done? I mean, how was that 244 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:29,550 conference for you? Yeah, it 245 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:32,400 was great. I mean, the main thing was just to meet people, 246 00:15:32,490 --> 00:15:36,600 for the first time, I feel like over the past year, every single 247 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,260 person that we've interacted with has been over a call. So it 248 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:44,310 was just good to meet people in person, meet podcasters a lot of 249 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:47,070 the Bitcoin podcasters, we managed to have good 250 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:50,790 conversations with, and also just meet our users, you know, 251 00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:54,960 meet people that were using the app every day. And it's always, 252 00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:58,590 you know, we get a lot of bug reports. And that's a big part 253 00:15:58,590 --> 00:16:00,930 of talking to users. But it's nice when you're just talking to 254 00:16:00,930 --> 00:16:03,660 someone randomly at a conference. And they say, oh, 255 00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:06,750 yeah, I use fountain use every day, like good jobs. Is that 256 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:09,630 nice? Yeah, that feels really good. It feels really good. 257 00:16:09,630 --> 00:16:12,510 Yeah. So yeah, it was great conference and learn a lot, 258 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,040 especially around the custodial versus non custodial Bitcoin 259 00:16:17,070 --> 00:16:21,510 problem, which, you know, I think we're all managing to fly 260 00:16:21,510 --> 00:16:23,610 under the radar a little bit right now, but we're all gonna 261 00:16:23,610 --> 00:16:28,410 have to deal with eventually looks like, it looks like, by it 262 00:16:28,410 --> 00:16:31,620 looks like there's a lot of stuff coming down the pipeline, 263 00:16:31,620 --> 00:16:35,130 that's gonna really help and provide the tools that we need. 264 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:36,060 So I'm really optimistic. 265 00:16:36,090 --> 00:16:40,680 Definitely. And it's nice to see that. So we have LNC, formerly 266 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,720 known as C lightning, they're coming up with a solution. ln 267 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:49,890 Jesse Atlanta, I'm sorry. The breeze will be is working with 268 00:16:49,890 --> 00:16:54,240 them. Voltage has, has released a lot of details about you know, 269 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,890 their cloud based noncustodial service. I mean, the promise 270 00:16:58,890 --> 00:17:01,470 that I've that I've gotten is, Oh, it'll be just like Gmail 271 00:17:01,470 --> 00:17:05,130 without the snooping, but the Gmail ease have, boom, you fired 272 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:07,470 up, there's your wallet, here's your keys, lose them, you're 273 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:11,880 screwed. And that's it. It's, you know, and then of course, 274 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,990 you'll, you'll pay for that in fees from the lightning service 275 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:19,410 provider, which makes total sense. So I think that's coming 276 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:22,140 a lot sooner than than later. 277 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,639 Yeah, exactly. Really looking forward to that because 278 00:17:26,669 --> 00:17:31,499 ultimately, people do want that noncustodial experience. But 279 00:17:31,499 --> 00:17:35,159 right now, the onboarding for that kind of thing is a bit too 280 00:17:35,159 --> 00:17:36,449 difficult for most people. 281 00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:40,709 What what surprised so I want to play a clip. You may have seen 282 00:17:40,709 --> 00:17:45,059 it. It's from the one of the most recent Joe Rogan episodes 283 00:17:45,059 --> 00:17:50,429 and he has Khalil Rountree was an MMA fighter and he's on the 284 00:17:50,429 --> 00:17:55,019 show and he went to the Bitcoin 2022 conference. And his 285 00:17:55,049 --> 00:17:59,669 experience was to me personally so beautiful, what what he 286 00:17:59,669 --> 00:18:07,259 learned about Bitcoin and about podcasting 2.0 That it, I think 287 00:18:07,259 --> 00:18:11,999 it really showed that there's, there's a huge audience and this 288 00:18:11,999 --> 00:18:15,539 is why I guess I was saying earlier, that when someone comes 289 00:18:15,539 --> 00:18:21,149 in, and they come in for, you know, an app that that is that 290 00:18:21,179 --> 00:18:25,109 retrieves data from the index, they come in maybe four or 291 00:18:25,109 --> 00:18:27,899 possibly four value for value streaming payments, and they see 292 00:18:27,899 --> 00:18:30,749 all these other things that are possible. So it to me it's a 293 00:18:30,749 --> 00:18:33,839 great onboarding avenue for everything. And if someone comes 294 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:36,779 in for chapters and sees value for value, that's awesome too. 295 00:18:37,349 --> 00:18:41,279 And I said the word awesome. Listen to this little bit from 296 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:43,769 the extra about two and a half minutes from the Joe Rogan show. 297 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:48,270 I went to the Bitcoin Conference in Miami this year, and just got 298 00:18:48,270 --> 00:18:53,160 to see and hear some really really cool things and the 299 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,660 people who are like pioneering this and and really believe in 300 00:18:57,660 --> 00:19:00,990 in, in Bitcoin, specifically not just like the whole world of 301 00:19:00,990 --> 00:19:04,470 cryptocurrency, but Bitcoin itself. I haven't been excited 302 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:06,630 about something like this in a really long time. And I'm not a 303 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:11,010 finance guy. I'm not a guy who grew up knowing about, you know, 304 00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:14,850 financial systems and networks and stock markets or anything 305 00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:18,510 and now I'm finally at a point where I'm starting to be able 306 00:19:18,510 --> 00:19:23,820 to, like see a future for myself and also a way to like, people 307 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:28,770 like me don't really have like generational wealth right? And I 308 00:19:28,770 --> 00:19:31,920 don't understand I don't see how, you know, I can really 309 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,130 create that through fighting alone. So lately I've just been 310 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:38,820 trying to understand more of like, the advancement of 311 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:41,910 technology and kind of where we're headed from like a from 312 00:19:41,910 --> 00:19:45,600 like a currency and like money standpoint, there's like a small 313 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,360 fraction where I'm like, Okay, I see how this works, but then 314 00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:55,110 trying to uncover and like, dive more into the whole system of 315 00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:59,100 how this can be implemented into just like daily society. I'm 316 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:02,100 seeing more and more A possibility, and it's making me 317 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:05,520 more and more secure on Hey, man, I can actually finally have 318 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,470 something that I own. That's mine. It's like, whatever I earn 319 00:20:10,830 --> 00:20:15,030 is going to be mine and you can't touch it. No one can touch 320 00:20:15,030 --> 00:20:19,860 it every from. And there's a guy Adam Curry who Thank you, buddy, 321 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:25,290 man. Yeah, you know, like the podcast index like his now 322 00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:29,400 they've created this thing where you if you want to have your own 323 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:33,510 platform, and not worry about being taken down or censored or 324 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:37,170 whatever, and you can also get paid in Satoshis, which are 325 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:41,640 fractions of a Bitcoin from the supporters so you can stream 326 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,210 your set, you don't have to buy bitcoin, you can create a 327 00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:48,300 platform where he Hey, I'm speaking, if I wanted to start 328 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:50,280 wondering, I'm like, you know, I don't have the money to actually 329 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,760 buy bitcoin. But I do have a lot of stuff that I want to talk 330 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,300 about, subscribe to my podcast. And then my fans and my 331 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,420 followers are streaming into me Satoshis just like they would on 332 00:21:00,420 --> 00:21:04,110 Instagram like likes, right? You get I'm saying so likes and 333 00:21:04,110 --> 00:21:06,900 replays. And all that stuff is also a currency that people 334 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,810 don't really look at it that way. But like, yeah, a lot of 335 00:21:09,810 --> 00:21:12,240 these, a lot of these, like companies that want to do 336 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,460 business with me, it's like, oh, how many followers do you have? 337 00:21:14,610 --> 00:21:16,650 What's your Twitter engagement? What's your Instagram 338 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:20,370 engagement? All this video only got 70,000 plays, that's a form 339 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:24,330 of currency. Because that's like looked at as, you know, my value 340 00:21:24,330 --> 00:21:27,210 and my worth on whether or not you're gonna work with me or 341 00:21:27,210 --> 00:21:27,420 not. 342 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:32,910 I thought this was a phenomenal analogy at the end there with 343 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,610 Satoshis and likes, and follows and stuff like that. I was blown 344 00:21:38,610 --> 00:21:40,410 away by how perceptive that is. 345 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:46,680 Yeah, that that was a big thing for me when he talked about the 346 00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:49,590 likes and all that all that stuff against the ecosystem as 347 00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:51,810 currency because I've never really thought about it like 348 00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:57,030 that before. And no, I mean, it is, it's a currency that doesn't 349 00:21:57,030 --> 00:22:00,630 have like, it has a social value, but it doesn't have well, 350 00:22:00,630 --> 00:22:02,220 you can have a monetary value. 351 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:05,910 What he was saying is that for him in the advertising world, in 352 00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:09,870 the sponsorship world, that's currency, okay, you have this 353 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:13,440 many followers, this many likes on these videos. So you know, 354 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,280 you're worth this much to us to promote our product, the the 355 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,860 inverse, or the reverse of that, or the other side of that is 356 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:23,970 podcasting. 2.0, where those likes are actually money. So you 357 00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:26,520 don't have to you don't have to add the sponsorship part in. 358 00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:29,400 Let's see, I think that like, if you go back to something that 359 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,510 Cridland said a long time ago, and at the time, at the time, 360 00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:37,050 and I'm not sure how he meant it, necessarily, but I think I 361 00:22:37,050 --> 00:22:41,160 understand. I think I understand the concept a little bit better 362 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,790 now. Or I'm able to sort of adapt it to this concept. After 363 00:22:44,790 --> 00:22:48,630 hearing that, that he he was calling. He kept saying that you 364 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:52,170 it's easier to talk to people if you talk about an internet token 365 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:54,990 rather than a real Bitcoin or a Satoshi you're 366 00:22:55,169 --> 00:22:58,619 right, right, right. Yes, I do remember that. Yeah. And I 367 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:02,790 can see that this sort of fits that framework, it's, I mean, 368 00:23:02,820 --> 00:23:05,610 still, ultimately, eventually, you'll have to know what's going 369 00:23:05,610 --> 00:23:10,200 on underneath, you know, but, but there's there is the sense 370 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:13,380 that you have a, like, a, there's a, there's a 371 00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:17,250 representation of some sort of value there. And, and it's 372 00:23:17,250 --> 00:23:21,390 always been there. And people understand that there's value in 373 00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:25,260 whatever this number represents on on in a digital way on the 374 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:29,640 internet. And now Now we've just attached actual, you go 375 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:35,280 underneath it, detach the social, you know, achiness and 376 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,690 swath, attach real real real money, value, your real money, 377 00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:41,250 and now you've kind of changed the game. 378 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:46,230 It's, that was just astonishing to me. And you know, I think the 379 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:51,390 app coming closest to understanding this, even though 380 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,320 the launch of the feature was somewhat controversial is indeed 381 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:57,990 fountain. So Oscar, your thoughts? 382 00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:02,880 Do you mean in terms of the podcast, the onboarding or the 383 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:05,670 club? Yeah, I'm I'm actually very, very interested in that 384 00:24:05,670 --> 00:24:10,440 part is? Well, so one is just the value of such Do you feel 385 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,640 that people are seeing disconnecting? When they're when 386 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,040 they're boosting booster grabbing, commenting? Are they 387 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,850 disconnecting from the value and seeing it more as point tokens, 388 00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:27,540 likes, etc? Does the podcaster feel the same way? Does that 389 00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:28,320 make any sense? 390 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,070 Yeah, no, that makes sense. I actually think that the fact 391 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:37,500 that it's money and that there's value attached to it is really 392 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:41,100 important. And I think listeners know that I think podcasters 393 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:44,790 know that. And that's what makes the experience so much more 394 00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:49,590 powerful. If you compare receiving a comment on something 395 00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:53,700 like YouTube or a tweet, you know, having that those exact 396 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:58,500 same words, but tied to real value and money, even if it's 397 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:02,430 not a large amount. I think it's a very different thing. And I 398 00:25:02,430 --> 00:25:07,500 think that's why listeners enjoy sending boosts and sending that 399 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,990 value. And that's why I podcasters like receiving them, 400 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,070 even if it's not that much at the moment. So I think that the 401 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:18,300 money, part of it is really important. One thing I do think, 402 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,220 though, is whether in the future, it's always labeled as 403 00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:27,780 Bitcoin or whether we just give users the ability to toggle into 404 00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:30,330 whatever currency they choose. Obviously, we'll still use 405 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:36,060 Bitcoin as the payment system but I think some users are still 406 00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:38,820 potentially put off by the fact that it's Bitcoin obviously 407 00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:40,950 we're not no I'm 408 00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:44,760 off give me like a translator. I think curio curio Castro has 409 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,880 that. Although I prefer like a wallet where you can see both, 410 00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:52,290 you know, it's like, I like seeing Satoshis big number and 411 00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:55,140 then underneath underneath it little I like to see $1 value. 412 00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:58,560 Yeah, exactly. I think that's the way to go. 413 00:25:58,950 --> 00:26:03,510 I think that makes total sense. A lot of people can't do the 414 00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:05,610 conversion don't know the conversion aren't interested in 415 00:26:05,610 --> 00:26:09,690 the conversion, don't do conversions. And And if 416 00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:16,080 anything, I was sending a 5000 stat boost to I think it was new 417 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,110 media show. And, and in curio caster it says this is $1.81 I 418 00:26:22,110 --> 00:26:24,720 thought curry or Stingy bitch, man. 419 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:33,270 Shit, yeah, that's both ways. Sometimes you will send a 420 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:36,240 massive boost, and you won't realize how much you're actually 421 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,780 paying in in dollars or your local currency. But then, other 422 00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:43,620 times, you'll send 1000s of SATs and then you'll forget that 423 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:46,920 actually, okay, that's not that much. So it will be interesting 424 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,120 to have the option of both and compare which one needs to Yeah, 425 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:52,890 more income for the podcaster. 426 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:54,930 How was how was I'm sorry, go ahead. 427 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,360 No, I was just gonna say, Yeah, I've done I've done that in both 428 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,350 directions as well. And I've did that with intergalactic boombox 429 00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:04,650 to call a bear the other day, he's like, he read, he read it 430 00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:08,430 out on the show. I forget what I sent him like a, I don't know, 431 00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:11,730 the 2000s that has some what he wants 432 00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:15,510 12. Of course, we know it was 2112. And then he 433 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,360 so he reads out my message on the show. And he says that's 434 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,150 about 80 cents. And I was like, Oh, 435 00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:25,320 don't you feel like I feel that already. So I 436 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,530 immediately boosted him, you know, 12,000 says, okay, all 437 00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:29,820 right, we're gonna make up for this. But 438 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,850 there's also been shows where I've lowered my streaming SATs 439 00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:39,270 to 10 SATs a minute, I'm like, that'll show you. You saw. How's 440 00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:42,990 the onboarding going? Oscar, because fountain is unique in 441 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:47,250 that you are onboarding podcasters. You help them I have 442 00:27:47,250 --> 00:27:49,920 not run through the process myself. Maybe you can explain 443 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,790 how it goes and how it works and how it is actually working out? 444 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:59,730 Yeah, happy to. So essentially, you can claim your podcast 445 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,590 within fountain, we use the same technique as you guys do on 446 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:08,310 podcast, that wallet where we just send you we send an email 447 00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:11,010 to the email in the RSS feed. Just 448 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,650 now. Are you sending that? Or are you sending that or is the 449 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:14,790 index sending that 450 00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:22,140 we're sending that, okay. And then we partner with you guys to 451 00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:24,780 once you claim your show, if you don't have a value block 452 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:31,140 already, we will just update the value block in podcast index and 453 00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:35,700 basically just set you up with a lightning wallet and enable you 454 00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:39,450 to receive sets straight away. I think there's there's a few 455 00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:43,350 pieces to this one, obviously, is the technical part and just 456 00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:46,860 hiding everything from the podcaster. So that it just looks 457 00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:51,870 like it's just a one click process, basically. And then, 458 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:54,840 you know, all of the data aggregation that we do on the 459 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,740 back end in terms of analytics for income, so seeing, you know, 460 00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:01,620 obviously reading the messages, because the value is as much in 461 00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:05,940 the message as it is in the actual money. And podcasters see 462 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:07,470 that straight away when we talk about 463 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:12,540 do you had as a part as a fountain on onboarded podcast? 464 00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:15,900 Or do I have a screen that shows me all the statistics? I'd love 465 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:17,190 to see a screenshot of it. 466 00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:23,190 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you have essentially, you're used to 467 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:25,830 work, we used to work a different way. So we used to 468 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,530 have two Wallet. So you'd have your listener wallet and your 469 00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:31,530 podcast, the wallet, but we've actually just recently unified 470 00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:36,480 them. So you have to associate your podcast with a fountain 471 00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:41,130 user account. And then what you will see is a list of all of the 472 00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:45,990 incoming messages on that value. And then if it's a fountain user 473 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:48,540 that sent that boosts you'll be able to click through to their 474 00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:51,990 profile and see okay, you know, who are they following what 475 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:55,200 clips that they've created, that kind of thing. You'll also be 476 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,370 able to see which episodes have brought in the most. And also 477 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,130 who's been and supporting you the most the time 478 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,250 and you can continue. Can you send money back to them to their 479 00:30:05,250 --> 00:30:05,850 wallet? Yeah. 480 00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:11,040 Well, so in this latest update, yeah, cool. Every fountain user 481 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,000 now has a lightning address, which means that you can pay any 482 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,420 fountain user just with their lightning address. I actually 483 00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:21,390 tried that it works really well did not. Did you have to set up 484 00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:24,510 a separate service for that? Are you using a third party for the 485 00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:25,590 translation? 486 00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:30,330 Yes. So we're using LM pay still and massive shout out to Tim. I 487 00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:34,620 mean, he's just been so invaluable throughout this whole 488 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:38,040 process. But we're using LNP. But we do have to set up a 489 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,450 separate service on top of that to manage the lightning address 490 00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:42,930 and request 491 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,000 now that works with DNS TXT records, I 492 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,380 believe. Yeah, exactly. So you can actually, you can do it just 493 00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:54,570 with your, you know, with your server without going into DNS. 494 00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:58,380 But yeah, it's actually not too complicated. I think in the 495 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:01,950 future, every app will have a lightning address. The problem 496 00:31:01,950 --> 00:31:04,980 then becomes, if I have a lightning address for every app, 497 00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:08,520 how do I manage them all? And you know, maybe you want to log 498 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,560 in to one app? 499 00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:15,030 Well, ultimately, I think the goal is every every human 500 00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:17,850 resource is born, and they're assigned to social security 501 00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:19,560 number and here's your lightning node. 502 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,230 Hopefully not. 503 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:24,420 Okay. 504 00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:30,300 So, that's, that's interesting. One thing that stood out to me 505 00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:33,330 with the things y'all are doing over there is that you, like you 506 00:31:33,330 --> 00:31:36,570 admit, you contacted me and said, you know, we want to 507 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,880 proliferate, we want to create a podcast or wallet, and then send 508 00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:46,740 that information back to the index. And very appreciative of 509 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:49,530 that, because you could have easily built this service in 510 00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:53,520 house in a silo, and it would have worked, you know, within 511 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,380 fountain, but you took the extra step to, you know, send that 512 00:31:58,380 --> 00:32:02,220 information back out to the world to the index. And so that 513 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:06,810 now, now, if somebody has a podcast or wallet on, on 514 00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:10,590 fountain, then all the rest of the 2.0 apps can see it as well. 515 00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:14,520 So, you know, it's, it's Wait, say that again, Dave's 516 00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:15,870 explain that again, to me. 517 00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:19,890 Well, I mean, you know, if they're building if, if Oscar 518 00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:22,800 was building an in house, he's building an in house system for, 519 00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:25,950 for wallet creation and that kind of thing. It could have 520 00:32:25,950 --> 00:32:28,950 been where it only worked internally. He'll still 521 00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:33,210 lightning, but it would only work internally, because he's 522 00:32:33,210 --> 00:32:38,790 just keeping pointers to wallets against the podcast URLs. Okay, 523 00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:42,120 instead, you know, he when he when a wallet gets created, it 524 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,210 now gets that information, that wallet address in splits and 525 00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:46,620 everything gets back to the Index. 526 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:50,850 Oh, yes. Yeah, that's, of course, that's what you want. 527 00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:51,450 Yes. 528 00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:54,510 Yeah. But I mean, a lot of people don't. Yeah, but I would 529 00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:55,710 have gone over there from 530 00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:56,820 Oscars neck. 531 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:03,180 Yeah. I appreciate the nature thinking that, you know that 532 00:33:03,210 --> 00:33:05,490 that way? Is it as far as a community goes? 533 00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:08,520 Yeah, no. 100%. And that's ultimately, that's what 534 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,240 podcasters want, as well, you know, the every, every podcast, 535 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,230 as I'm sure you guys know, has been approached 1000 times by 536 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:19,740 companies trying to set up, you know, some kind of service that 537 00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:24,360 only works within the app. And, you know, podcast is a board of 538 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,580 that, and the beauty of podcasting 2.0. And what we're 539 00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:34,230 doing is it works across every app. So no matter which app or 540 00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:38,400 hosting provider offers the service, there'll be able to say 541 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,490 to the podcast that this will work for all of your users no 542 00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:44,790 matter which app that they personally prefer. So I think 543 00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:48,360 that's the beauty of it. And, you know, that's why we're able 544 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,600 to onboard new podcasters to value for value is because of 545 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960 that. So yeah, it's not I don't think it would work any other 546 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,350 way. 547 00:33:56,070 --> 00:34:01,830 Now, let's talk about onboarding of users listeners, specifically 548 00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:06,570 to the 2.0 part. What is the conversion of people just using 549 00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:12,690 the app? How are you tackling that in the current? How the 550 00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:17,400 fuck do I do it environment? What is your experience there? 551 00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:23,519 Yeah, so it's actually a very high proportion of our users 552 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,839 that are actively using value for value and ascending SATs is 553 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:34,079 about 45%. So almost 50% of our users SET sending SATs every 554 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:41,729 week and yes, we obviously we have a big you know, Bitcoin 555 00:34:41,729 --> 00:34:46,499 audience in terms of the shows that are that people listened to 556 00:34:46,619 --> 00:34:50,669 on fountain but that is starting to branch out. And that's why we 557 00:34:50,669 --> 00:34:53,819 wanted to build the podcast the wallet just so that we can make 558 00:34:53,819 --> 00:34:59,069 it easy for podcasters to try it out. I would say. I mean right 559 00:34:59,069 --> 00:35:02,759 now the guide that we have on our website is to use blue 560 00:35:02,759 --> 00:35:06,509 wallet, we found that it's the most intuitive. It allows you to 561 00:35:07,409 --> 00:35:11,069 buy bitcoin with Apple Pay directly in the app. And then 562 00:35:11,069 --> 00:35:13,679 you can just send it back into fountain. So that's our kind of 563 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,699 go to. Obviously, the Cash App announcement was massive as 564 00:35:17,699 --> 00:35:20,819 well. So I think it's it's still a struggle, especially for 565 00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:23,309 people that are put off by Bitcoin. 566 00:35:23,339 --> 00:35:27,419 So you could send directly from Cash App to, to an LM pay 567 00:35:27,419 --> 00:35:28,199 lightning wallet. 568 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,570 Yeah, exactly. So straight from Cash App. We don't have cash app 569 00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:34,800 lightning in the UK. So of 570 00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:38,820 course, there's there's that problem. Yeah, 571 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,240 yeah. Why is that by the way? What what is regulation? Because 572 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:42,750 regulation, 573 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:45,750 money, money, transmitter regulations, all that stuff? 574 00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:46,110 Sure. 575 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:50,190 So I've been hearing for a long time that the UK regulations 576 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:57,420 around Bitcoin and crypto more broadly, are a lot more or a lot 577 00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:01,020 more difficult than they are in the US. Do you do specifics on 578 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:03,540 that? I mean, what what is it specifically that makes it 579 00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:04,230 difficult? 580 00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:09,390 Yeah, I think what I've heard is that the time that you have to 581 00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:12,660 put into the application process, and there's a lot of 582 00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:15,240 just time and uncertainty that goes into it, 583 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,300 the stalkers didn't even convert to the euro. They stayed in the 584 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,840 pound, they're very protective. They know the danger of Bitcoin 585 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,370 coming to their little island. 586 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,170 Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think we're going to be a 587 00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:32,490 regulated money transmitter. That doesn't make sense. It 588 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:36,330 doesn't make sense for us as a podcast that to KYC our users 589 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:39,330 just so they can support their favorite shows. Like, that 590 00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:42,810 doesn't make sense. And I think I actually, I actually spoke to 591 00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:48,810 someone who worked in the UK regulator, and I explained the 592 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,150 what we were doing, and I explained, the, the, the lack of 593 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:57,240 logic when it comes to the KYC and the user to use a podcast 594 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,610 app, and they totally get it. I think the regulations just 595 00:36:59,610 --> 00:37:01,860 haven't caught up with these new application. 596 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:09,270 Ya know, and that's the issue that I'm seeing that may be a 597 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:15,750 problem. So we had the Facebook pull back announcement. Do want 598 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:20,520 to talk about this just briefly. We're Facebook after a lot of 599 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,330 hullabaloo and a lot of people integrated and a lot of NDAs 600 00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:28,890 were signed. They went, Yeah, no, yeah, a month into it. This 601 00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:33,270 is not for us. And they start doing very interesting things. 602 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,490 My wife, Tina just had someone here. It's a business woman. And 603 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:42,120 she relies heavily on Facebook. And she also has a podcast that 604 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,330 goes with your business. And they've just been uploading, 605 00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:47,730 they didn't even we weren't even really aware of how the whole 606 00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:52,140 podcast thing worked. But she showed me the message and I'm 607 00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,300 stupid, I should have asked her send me screenshots. I could 608 00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:58,320 read it verbatim. But Facebook will not even allow you to post 609 00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:04,110 a link to your podcast now. Not even just a link to it, it got 610 00:38:04,110 --> 00:38:08,250 kicked off. And I think that may be something that James Cridland 611 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:10,860 saw only that message was community standards. I'm not 612 00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:15,900 quite sure how he got that one. It is my belief that if you've 613 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:20,160 been following this Oscar in the United States, we our current 614 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,840 administration has created a disinformation governance board 615 00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:27,510 within Department of Homeland Security. So like the home 616 00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:34,050 office. And this there was a site we discussed this on the 617 00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:38,010 last show, there was a big push from former President Obama, who 618 00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:41,730 spoke at the Stanford cyber Institute, there was again, a 619 00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:47,250 Brookings Institution article about how podcasting cannot be 620 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:51,360 moderated. It is my belief that Facebook saw the writing on the 621 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,790 wall went, look, it's going to be really hard to monetize 622 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:57,030 anyway. We don't want to deal with all the shit that's coming 623 00:38:57,030 --> 00:39:00,360 down on podcasts. So we're going to bow out 624 00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:06,330 you see that that was not my thinking. I was thinking that 625 00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:11,340 they they have already squashed all of the concerns. I mean, 626 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:16,350 well, let me let me phrase this differently. Facebook is built, 627 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:22,560 they have built everything they have moated themselves with 628 00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:28,320 their content moderation mode, by employing you know 1000s of 629 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,500 people around the world to do the content moderation as in an 630 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:36,960 ahi fashion is so they can just always claim Oh, and we're you 631 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,260 know, we're just we're doing we got plenty of content moderation 632 00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:43,380 we're doing is so that they didn't have to care about 633 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:47,280 podcasting and what what it might mean to them. 634 00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:53,310 Well, your analysis has two flaws in it. I think. Only one 635 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:58,860 getting better. One you actually think that Facebook is is doing 636 00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:03,150 anything that will Would that would jeopardize their current 637 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:06,420 relationship with government regulations? very precarious. 638 00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:10,260 They want a lot of regulation so that they can be the big boss. 639 00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:16,680 They're motivated by money and by control. And there's no way 640 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,420 you can hire enough. Ah, I like to term human intelligence to 641 00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:25,020 moderate podcasts you have to listen to every single podcast 642 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:29,220 is there is no AI and no comics or Blogger, you don't have to 643 00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:33,060 refute this. There is no AI, it can barely do images. Can we? 644 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:36,540 You just sent me a link about this this morning that it's hard 645 00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:40,590 for AI to even understand the context of a mean image to 646 00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:43,500 there's no way they could do it. And they just say, Look, this is 647 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,500 specific. I'm saying this. This is coming to podcasting, 648 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:51,180 specifically, because the Facebook the Facebook knows how 649 00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:54,210 to operate. Oh, okay. You don't want us you don't want the 650 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,750 President Trump done. He's gone. Now why did they do that? 651 00:40:58,109 --> 00:41:04,259 In that regard? Okay, on that on that line of thinking, they may 652 00:41:04,259 --> 00:41:08,519 know something that we don't they? Well, yes. They they like 653 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:11,579 they know their food. Inflation is coming. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, 654 00:41:11,609 --> 00:41:16,559 they Well, regulation. I know that this. President Obama and 655 00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,339 the Brookings Institution both called out the Steve Bannon war, 656 00:41:20,489 --> 00:41:24,659 war room podcast, as disinformation that wound up 657 00:41:24,659 --> 00:41:27,509 killing people. You see what's going on? 658 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,550 I just want to hear that lady sing. 659 00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:34,500 She seems quite well. Yeah. So 660 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:39,690 well, this fits with actually play a good time for a clip. 661 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,920 Yes. Let's play a clip. Play. De Lorenzo, real motivations of 662 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,670 large companies, because this fits very well with with your 663 00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:50,850 analysis of what of what large companies really want. 664 00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:54,990 I had this Harvard Law School professor as the moderator. And 665 00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:58,620 he asked one of the CEOs of Procter and Gamble or one of 666 00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:02,130 these big corporations. You know, Mr. Smith, what would you 667 00:42:02,130 --> 00:42:07,230 do? If Mr. Mr. Pickens here called you up and said Your 668 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,470 company is in play? Yeah, that is we're starting a proxy 669 00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:13,860 battle. We're buying up shares. And Mr. Smith said, Well, I 670 00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:17,340 would call a meeting of my board of directors. And we would we 671 00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:20,640 would decide what parts of our enterprise we had to shut down 672 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,630 what parts were profitable, what parts weren't so profitable, we 673 00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:28,350 will evaluate our human resources policy and he went on 674 00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:31,410 and on about all the things he would do to to improve the 675 00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:35,550 efficiency and competitiveness of his company. So that he then 676 00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:38,160 he says, we would do this so we could go to our shareholders and 677 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,370 say, You don't need Mr. Pickens, we will improve the value of 678 00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:44,520 this company, and you'll make money that way. Mr. And Mrs. 679 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,800 stockholder. Now what what question Does that beg? Who? Why 680 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,500 hasn't already done it? Yeah. Why haven't you already been 681 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:56,370 doing that? Well, because human beings like the easy life rather 682 00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:59,490 than harder. Most human beings. And that's hard work. We're 683 00:42:59,490 --> 00:43:03,030 running up a company. So if you can make money anyway without 684 00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:04,920 working your butt off, why not? 685 00:43:06,059 --> 00:43:06,929 Very good point. 686 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,650 Yeah. T Boone Pickens, you know the big takeover guys like Well, 687 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,290 yeah, well you're gonna you're only going to work when you have 688 00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:19,200 to and so like this may be the Facebook strategy is we're this 689 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,750 is gonna be a lot of work. Yeah, we really don't want to fool 690 00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:25,470 with it and we're already making you know $20 billion a quarter 691 00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:27,510 in profits so let's just let's just not do it. 692 00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:32,190 I think that's correct. It's it's too much hassle they don't 693 00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:35,250 want to deal with with the conversation. Oh, you're hosting 694 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,900 evil podcast. And then there's one other silent weapon that is 695 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:46,530 being used, which is ESG which is environmental social goals. A 696 00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:51,810 governance I'm sorry. And the environmental is obvious no 697 00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:56,580 stories that don't know nothing positive about fossil fuels. 698 00:43:57,270 --> 00:44:02,040 That's that's for Bolton nothing negative about wind solar. 699 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,790 Please no nuclear talk that's also for boat and although it's 700 00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:09,300 changing a little bit no proof of work. Nope. No proof of work 701 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:13,710 talk exactly. The social goals Well, here we are. I mean, 702 00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:17,850 podcasts are just evil that mean there's there's there's right 703 00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:20,820 wing conspiracy theorists there's a misogynist, there's 704 00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:25,770 racist there's all kinds of people on those damn podcast. So 705 00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:29,760 Oscar, Have you received any type of requests for takedown or 706 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,990 anybody was pissed off and and came we've gotten one or two I 707 00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:38,100 think very few. But have you received anything like that? No, 708 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,790 not one. There you go. And you go we have a couple of questions 709 00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:45,540 for Oscar from the booster grams, which is no new new for 710 00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:48,720 us. Yes. First of all, sir Spencer was very happy to report 711 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,930 the Kansas City block party with Lori and Abel Corbijn himself 712 00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:56,670 was a huge success. And they had a podcasting 2.0 banner which 713 00:44:56,670 --> 00:45:01,020 they got on to the local TV news. Yeah. Yeah, it was also 714 00:45:01,020 --> 00:45:04,230 all over no agenda social. Here's a question from Spencer, 715 00:45:04,530 --> 00:45:07,890 Oscar, I heard you and Nick met some of my KC buddies at the BTC 716 00:45:07,890 --> 00:45:12,300 Miami shindig also shout out to Sir OMA who won a free boost hat 717 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:14,850 but donated it to me. I'll be wearing that hat all over the 718 00:45:14,850 --> 00:45:17,610 place as soon as it arrives. Yes, you're you're an app with 719 00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:18,210 merch? 720 00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:22,860 Amazing. Yeah, we we've tried hard with the merch. I think 721 00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:26,100 it's it's important. We've got some new merch coming. And we're 722 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,980 doing more competitions around it. But yeah, thanks for the 723 00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:32,130 shout out. And yeah, hopefully get to meet him again in person 724 00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:32,520 soon. 725 00:45:32,699 --> 00:45:37,319 Question from Carolyn. Can to host of a podcast, for example, 726 00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:41,069 myself and Fletcher, who together we host hogs story? Can 727 00:45:41,069 --> 00:45:45,179 we claim hogs story on fountain? I guess what she's saying is, if 728 00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:49,829 two hosts own the show, how do you claim that equally amongst 729 00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:54,539 two people? One is always going to be controlled the splits your 730 00:45:54,539 --> 00:45:55,079 thoughts? 731 00:45:55,949 --> 00:46:00,119 Yeah, great question. So this is actually possible. But right 732 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,329 now, we'll just have to do it for you manually. So it's not a 733 00:46:03,329 --> 00:46:06,629 one to one relationship, necessarily. So you could have 734 00:46:06,629 --> 00:46:11,189 two fountain accounts that both have the ability to update the 735 00:46:11,189 --> 00:46:14,609 split. And then when you look at those splits, whether it's for 736 00:46:14,609 --> 00:46:18,959 the show, or the episode, you would just see the two accounts 737 00:46:18,989 --> 00:46:22,919 that have, you know, claimed the show and enter in the splits. 738 00:46:23,219 --> 00:46:26,939 But you could also just add any fountain user to the show splits 739 00:46:26,969 --> 00:46:29,909 or episodes. But and I think this is, you know, going back to 740 00:46:29,909 --> 00:46:32,129 the onboarding, I think this is one thing that's going to be 741 00:46:32,129 --> 00:46:37,469 massive for onboarding because podcasters are unique in that 742 00:46:37,499 --> 00:46:40,349 they are just talking to different people every single 743 00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:43,889 week. And if you have a host that is onboard with value for 744 00:46:43,889 --> 00:46:47,399 value that is onboard with podcasting 2.0. And that is 745 00:46:47,429 --> 00:46:50,969 onboard with Bitcoin and lightning, they can just onboard 746 00:46:50,999 --> 00:46:54,569 the guests. Right, right for you. And so that's one of the 747 00:46:54,569 --> 00:46:57,149 reasons we did it. We're encouraging all of the 748 00:46:57,149 --> 00:47:01,889 podcasters that use our podcast, the wallet, to onboard all of 749 00:47:01,889 --> 00:47:05,609 their guests to fountain and to value for value in the hope that 750 00:47:05,609 --> 00:47:08,729 they go out and spread the message, because it's still so 751 00:47:08,759 --> 00:47:13,919 early. I mean, if you look at the numbers, the number of 752 00:47:13,919 --> 00:47:18,059 downloads that big podcasts get, you know, we're so we're so far 753 00:47:18,059 --> 00:47:21,359 off getting there. So there's a lot of work to do in terms of 754 00:47:21,389 --> 00:47:24,539 onboarding, education. Really looking forward to your 755 00:47:24,659 --> 00:47:27,389 manifest, though. Yeah, 756 00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:31,140 yes, I know, it's, I'm finally back, the travel is finally 757 00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:35,190 slowed down, I've started the training of the dog. All these 758 00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:38,220 things that have been had been lingering. But yeah, I already 759 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:41,700 I've already written some of it. But I'm, I'm actually happy with 760 00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:46,890 some of this delay, because I'm seeing this, the Joe Rogan show 761 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:51,960 has reach, you know, this kind of stuff gets around. And I'm 762 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,200 just seeing the onboarding is so obvious to me, I really don't 763 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,970 care how we get people into 2.0 as long as they're in it. And 764 00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:03,360 once you have something that you using the namespace for it, you 765 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,630 know, all the rest can come naturally. And eventually, I 766 00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:10,110 presume it will, that all hosting companies will have the 767 00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:14,640 majority of of frequently used tags. Do you see a lot of uptake 768 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,450 of the podcast you've on boarded in other tags, like transcript 769 00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:22,560 or chapters or guests or any of this? And and have you come back 770 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,430 that actually was going to have you thought of combining the the 771 00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:30,600 role? You know, so if you add a guest, you could do that in one 772 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,450 fell swoop with a guest and a wallet? Or is that still a 773 00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:34,500 separate process? 774 00:48:35,219 --> 00:48:38,639 Yeah, it's a great question. And I think one thing that has 775 00:48:38,699 --> 00:48:44,009 limited, the adoption has been the hosting platforms, I think 776 00:48:44,009 --> 00:48:48,959 they need to do a lot more in terms of adopting some of the 777 00:48:48,959 --> 00:48:52,139 features and pushing them and making them a bit easier for 778 00:48:52,139 --> 00:48:55,589 podcasters. The number one thing that we've heard is that it's 779 00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:57,059 just a lot of work. 780 00:48:57,510 --> 00:49:04,140 For example, lazy as podcasters. Yeah, like ham radio guys, so 781 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:05,580 much. We're too expensive, 782 00:49:06,179 --> 00:49:10,799 for example, like that, creating the chapters, I think we could 783 00:49:10,799 --> 00:49:14,639 do. There's a lot of different inputs that you could provide to 784 00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,669 those chapters. Yeah, I think there's really creative ways 785 00:49:17,669 --> 00:49:21,209 that you could kind of help the podcast that at least have an 786 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,319 outline of the chapters. So there's a lot that we'd like to 787 00:49:25,319 --> 00:49:29,429 do there. I think it kind of pushes us further from the app 788 00:49:29,429 --> 00:49:32,939 side onto the host side, which I'm not sure how far in that 789 00:49:32,939 --> 00:49:36,599 direction we want to go. But yeah, I'd really like to see the 790 00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:41,159 hosting platforms do more and just make it easier for 791 00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,919 podcasters. Because yeah, right now it is quite difficult, 792 00:49:43,949 --> 00:49:45,269 especially with the chapters. 793 00:49:45,869 --> 00:49:49,619 Yeah. And that's why you see third party services cropping up 794 00:49:49,619 --> 00:49:51,929 that's why you have sovereign feeds. That's why you have the 795 00:49:51,929 --> 00:49:57,149 WordPress the PowerPress Plugin. Yeah, all of these things. Yeah. 796 00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:01,830 I think what's, what's so great at about podcasting 2.0, and 797 00:50:01,830 --> 00:50:04,830 specifically, the index, and I hope we can see more of this in 798 00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:10,590 the future is allowing different third parties to just integrate 799 00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,950 with the index and provide that service, kind of, you know, 800 00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:16,740 stepping over the hosting platform that's moving a bit too 801 00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:17,310 slowly. 802 00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:24,300 We're ready. I mean, hyper capture is one, although it's 803 00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:28,740 not necessarily connected to the to the index, per se, but is in 804 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:31,410 the ecosystem. That's how all my chapters get the chapters for 805 00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:32,340 the show get done? 806 00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:37,830 Yeah, I think you're gonna see, I think you're gonna see some of 807 00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:43,560 this happen. Over the next, I'd say, six to 12 months, I think, 808 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:48,690 just based on the number of conversations that I have had 809 00:50:48,690 --> 00:50:56,730 conversations with. One, there's four for add conversation with 810 00:50:56,730 --> 00:51:02,880 four different people this week, from different hosting company, 811 00:51:02,910 --> 00:51:10,590 platform apps, that that are all looking at 2.0 and tags, and 812 00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:16,080 names to be a namespace as the just get this prevailing sense 813 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,100 that from things, things like concrete things I know that are 814 00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:24,570 happening, and the people the seriousness with which the 815 00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:30,600 people I talk to are talking, and I really think that you're 816 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,870 gonna see a lot more people come on some of that lag with hosting 817 00:51:33,870 --> 00:51:38,940 companies and apps is going to go away in the next in 818 00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:39,420 everything it 819 00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:43,230 has to is we're accelerating so fast. There's, there's demand is 820 00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:44,190 starting to build. 821 00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:47,820 Yeah, I think I think we just got out. I mean, it's, it's no 822 00:51:47,820 --> 00:51:50,670 mystery, there's the normal thing, we you get out ahead, 823 00:51:50,670 --> 00:51:53,460 when you're building something, you get out ahead. And then it 824 00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:55,620 takes time for people to catch up. It's just a natural curve. 825 00:51:55,980 --> 00:52:00,720 And that's fine. And, and I want people to keep their, their chin 826 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,900 up about adoption and that kind of thing. Because it is 827 00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:08,190 happening. It's just, it really is it's just a little bit a 828 00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:08,700 little bit slow. 829 00:52:08,969 --> 00:52:12,929 Podcasting, brother that podcasting is slow, we're a slow 830 00:52:12,929 --> 00:52:18,239 growing ecosystem. It's just what it is. And I keep reminding 831 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,449 myself, because you go back and you looked at Oh, it's we've 832 00:52:21,449 --> 00:52:24,239 gone up like three, four or 5% with whatever metric you're 833 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,369 looking at. And but it takes time. Just takes time. And this 834 00:52:29,369 --> 00:52:32,759 is a true build it they will come. What do we have now? Six 835 00:52:32,759 --> 00:52:37,649 and a half 1000 value for value podcast? Yeah, that's active 836 00:52:37,649 --> 00:52:41,429 users that's active actively using a namespace feature on 837 00:52:41,429 --> 00:52:43,319 every podcast, that's a big deal. 838 00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:49,170 You know, and they've, so let me ask you this Oscar on on the 839 00:52:49,170 --> 00:52:53,700 guest wallets, thing. So these are lightning addresses. So I 840 00:52:53,700 --> 00:53:00,540 can put in a fountain user lightning address from any to 841 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:03,180 perform any split anywhere, right, it doesn't have to be 842 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:04,170 within the fountain app. 843 00:53:05,489 --> 00:53:09,299 So you can but right now, we don't have the ability within 844 00:53:09,299 --> 00:53:13,829 the app to share that. So that's something we're working on. But 845 00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:18,599 yeah, technically, you can input that from any service that is 846 00:53:18,629 --> 00:53:23,999 managing splits, whether it's self hosted or another service, 847 00:53:23,999 --> 00:53:27,989 and I think where we'd love to get to, is the ability to do 848 00:53:27,989 --> 00:53:31,649 that cross app as well. You know, just rather you're 849 00:53:31,649 --> 00:53:36,059 managing your split in the fountain podcaster wallet, on 850 00:53:36,089 --> 00:53:41,759 podcast that wallet.com On your own RSS feed yourself hosting on 851 00:53:41,759 --> 00:53:47,339 sovereign feeds, wherever you're doing that you could add users 852 00:53:47,549 --> 00:53:52,619 from other apps to the split in a way that was just simple. I 853 00:53:52,619 --> 00:53:54,509 think that would be incredible. 854 00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:59,100 Because that makes me think immediately that what you need 855 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,250 we need there's I don't want to use the term discovery because 856 00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:06,510 it's not really what this is a you need a way to find the 857 00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:11,670 person mean like almost like a directory of of users that you 858 00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:17,190 can choose from you because I can see as like okay well 859 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,220 well once you're managing well once you're managing the wallet 860 00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:23,550 infrastructure like they are whether you're managing it and 861 00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:30,510 as custodial or not once you have that directory I've tried 862 00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:33,570 out some of this this this address stuff it works really 863 00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:37,860 well and from breeze you can you can pay someone with the 864 00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:41,250 fountain dot F m address. I think that's the that's the 865 00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:46,530 common that's the commonality. I just don't know if if you can 866 00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:50,790 make that well can you make that a central? I don't know if you 867 00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:52,050 want that centralized though. 868 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:55,379 Yeah, I don't want to I don't think right because you have you 869 00:54:55,379 --> 00:54:59,369 have the because immediately what I thought of was on podcast 870 00:54:59,369 --> 00:55:03,299 or wallet where A lot of splits are done that I could like go 871 00:55:03,299 --> 00:55:09,179 through all of the current value for value feed blocks. On a, 872 00:55:09,449 --> 00:55:13,979 like on a, on a timer, let's just say every once a day or 873 00:55:13,979 --> 00:55:14,339 cron 874 00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:15,630 job across. 875 00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,469 Yes, I could, I could put in a crunch crunch 876 00:55:20,070 --> 00:55:21,780 a cron job out of a Dave Jones 877 00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,410 That looks through all the value blocks in their splits, pulls 878 00:55:25,410 --> 00:55:29,340 the addresses and names out and then just does a like, builds a 879 00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:32,160 little simple directory so that you have a drop down box in the 880 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,370 podcast football is split editor. But I don't know if 881 00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:37,440 that's necessary. I mean, like, what do you what do you think 882 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:37,770 Oscar? 883 00:55:38,969 --> 00:55:42,839 I'm not sure that's necessary. I think what we need is a way to 884 00:55:42,899 --> 00:55:47,549 link lightning addresses because I think that is the format 885 00:55:47,549 --> 00:55:52,439 that's being adopted, not just in podcasting, but I agree all 886 00:55:52,439 --> 00:55:55,559 over lightning, I think we just need a way to link that to key 887 00:55:55,559 --> 00:56:00,059 send, because you can't key send a lightning address. However, if 888 00:56:00,059 --> 00:56:02,939 you could, I mean, a lightning address is just the lookup. 889 00:56:03,029 --> 00:56:08,069 Basically, if you could include the keys and information in the 890 00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:12,959 lookup response, then whatever service you're using, you could 891 00:56:12,959 --> 00:56:17,489 let the users type in a lightning address. And that 892 00:56:17,489 --> 00:56:20,309 would pull back the key send information that you could then 893 00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:23,159 insert into the value block? I think that would be the way to 894 00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:23,669 do it. 895 00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:28,200 Is that case, when you say the lightning address resolves to 896 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,300 keys to the Node Info does can add also carry the extra info, I 897 00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:36,780 don't know much about lightning addresses how they work, but 898 00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:43,380 just a very sort of high level view of it. But down down at the 899 00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:48,570 nitty gritty Can you have it return the other routing 900 00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:51,900 information to like if it had a custom key or custom value or 901 00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,390 routing hint? Can all that stuff come back to you? Is it just a 902 00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:55,170 node address? 903 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,060 No, yeah, it's from how I understand it is pretty 904 00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:03,990 flexible, it would just need the standard to be, you know, 905 00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:06,780 updated. So I think it's definitely possible. 906 00:57:06,809 --> 00:57:12,329 There's one there's one other thing ln URL, which is which is 907 00:57:12,329 --> 00:57:20,459 really how the how the addresses they started out with ln URL, 908 00:57:20,489 --> 00:57:28,019 mainly? That now also does key send. So are you familiar with 909 00:57:28,019 --> 00:57:35,519 lb lb? Why? Get out? Get lb.com to if you go to get lb.com? 910 00:57:35,609 --> 00:57:39,179 You'll see it's the Bitcoin lightning app for your browser, 911 00:57:40,019 --> 00:57:45,329 which is I guess it's an extension. And while I'm sure 912 00:57:45,329 --> 00:57:49,829 it's it's custodial, but you'll even see right up there, it has 913 00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:53,699 value for value. They just added that because now you can use 914 00:57:54,689 --> 00:57:57,149 your lb address for key send. 915 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:06,540 Okay. And how? And is this is just Ellen URL under the under 916 00:58:06,539 --> 00:58:07,259 the Yes. 917 00:58:09,389 --> 00:58:11,789 Okay, so they're they're doing the URL and URL. 918 00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:19,320 But it works with key send, I've been reliably informed by ROI 919 00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,609 that is reliable. That's pretty reliable. Yeah. Yes. 920 00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:28,980 Oh, okay. So there's, there's, there's developments here. 921 00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:32,640 There's developments. So I and I agree with you, Oscar, I think 922 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,520 that the the address, I even looked into it, like how can I 923 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,670 do this for curry.com. And is a little more than I was willing 924 00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:42,360 to delve into at the time, but I can totally see how it works. 925 00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:45,330 You know, once you you write either the server, you're the 926 00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:48,000 mail server, or you can do it with DNS, which may be 927 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,410 preferred. You can set that up and it'll just work. And it 928 00:58:52,410 --> 00:58:55,260 works with I think every lightning app have tried 929 00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:58,230 understands this concept. And now with the addition of keys, 930 00:58:58,230 --> 00:59:00,840 and I think we may be able to use this moving forward. 931 00:59:04,139 --> 00:59:07,349 Yeah, I think it makes sense as a as an approach because it's 932 00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:09,899 just, you know, people understand it. It's just like an 933 00:59:09,899 --> 00:59:13,469 email address. But for money. Simple. Yep. Yeah, 934 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:16,020 it's simple like cash app. All these things have similar 935 00:59:16,350 --> 00:59:19,200 similar addressing schemes. But even even I'll be I think I'll 936 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,980 be could be used for podcasters I'm not advocating for this. I'm 937 00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:25,320 just saying this is the type of development we're seeing that 938 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,220 you can fire up a wallet, your own wallet. Yes, it's it's 939 00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:32,790 likely custodial what I see. But you can fire it up right in your 940 00:59:32,790 --> 00:59:35,250 browser. And you could connect that to a value block. 941 00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:43,499 Yeah, I could see this. You think? Let me did you hear this? 942 00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:48,839 Or read this article? About this Patreon survey? No, this isn't a 943 00:59:49,799 --> 00:59:54,419 title of the article. See where it is from TechCrunch maybe 944 00:59:54,629 --> 00:59:59,309 think this from TechCrunch so you know it's 100% legit. A 945 00:59:59,309 --> 01:00:02,639 major page RIANZ survey shows that most creators don't want 946 01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:06,329 crypto payments. Yeah. Okay. 947 01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:09,269 So I don't want crypto either I only want a Bitcoin. 948 01:00:09,449 --> 01:00:12,479 Yeah. This is this is the way 949 01:00:12,929 --> 01:00:15,809 this is the this is how they fight it. 950 01:00:15,929 --> 01:00:20,999 It is it is how they fight. So because the headline survey 951 01:00:22,139 --> 01:00:25,799 doesn't give you a full picture at all of what the survey 952 01:00:25,799 --> 01:00:26,429 actually 953 01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:29,490 what did the survey actually show? So I 954 01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:31,920 mean this is this is disinformation somebody. 955 01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:36,900 Somebody called Nina jank Janka wits in the get Aratus on about 956 01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:41,850 the pitch to Patreon. This is let me just read from the 957 01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:45,660 article here says its creator consensus out of 250,000 958 01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:48,810 creators active on Patreon over 13,000 people responded to the 959 01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:52,080 survey. That's pretty good, right? Yeah, 13,000 payments, a 960 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,960 decent decent sample size says videos the most popular primary 961 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,740 medium on Patreon representing 38% of respondents. So you can 962 01:01:01,740 --> 01:01:05,220 say like this is me, you know right out the gate video mostly. 963 01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:08,340 So this is YouTube creators and Twitch streamers probably. 964 01:01:09,870 --> 01:01:12,000 They're gonna they're gonna have a little bit a little bit 965 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,240 different take. So but but the podcast, so of all the ones 966 01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:26,040 surveyed, podcasting was 14% of the respondents. Yeah, not there 967 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,760 you go. Not a big, not a big representation of podcasting, 968 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:35,400 but still whatever reason, and the respondents said that over 969 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,620 40% 40% of their creative income came from Patreon. And that's 970 01:01:40,620 --> 01:01:47,580 big that is big. I mean, that means the of the one surveyed 971 01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:53,310 38% Being video probably be a Twitch streamers and YouTubers. 972 01:01:54,300 --> 01:02:01,020 That group is dependent on Patreon for almost half of their 973 01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:05,820 income. That's that stood out to me but but get getting back into 974 01:02:05,820 --> 01:02:12,630 the to the headline for a second. It says here. So here's 975 01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:16,560 how it breaks down. If you dig into the census act these this 976 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:22,620 report actually. So in the podcasting category, you have 977 01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:29,520 four different responses. When asked respondent interest in 978 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,810 crypto payments, you have four different possibilities they 979 01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:37,320 could have said it's they think it's crucial. They think it 980 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:43,500 would be nice to have they don't care. Or please don't write 981 01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:49,860 those, those your four options. In the podcast section, it was 982 01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:55,020 8% said they thought it was crucial. 17% said they thought 983 01:02:55,020 --> 01:03:00,270 it was nice to have 34% Didn't care and 42% said please don't. 984 01:03:00,450 --> 01:03:02,400 So you know the way I read that. 985 01:03:03,449 --> 01:03:07,049 You could say more than half are interested. Yeah. 986 01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:13,469 So like 20 and 25% actually are not just interested they want it 987 01:03:13,499 --> 01:03:19,379 Yeah, they say 8% 17% 25% of podcasters who have a Patreon 988 01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:27,059 account. 25% of them think that crypto payments nebulous is that 989 01:03:27,059 --> 01:03:32,249 is is either crucial or nice to have 34% Don't care. So that's 990 01:03:32,429 --> 01:03:35,369 they don't really they are yet 991 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,470 don't care yet. They don't care. Yes. 992 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,960 The kicker here, though, in this whole thing was how you ask the 993 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,500 question, of course, that's always the game that you play 994 01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:52,440 with survey. And here's, here's how the question actually, if 995 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,040 you dig into it was actually was given? I don't have the exact 996 01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,540 wording of the question. But they they talk about web three. 997 01:04:01,410 --> 01:04:04,980 Yeah, that's, that's their quiz. That's the way that they talked 998 01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:09,630 about this. This is some creators, including many who 999 01:04:09,630 --> 01:04:13,230 took the survey, are opposed to Patreon building web three 1000 01:04:13,230 --> 01:04:16,470 functionality due to concerns about potential fraudulent 1001 01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:18,900 behavior, environmental sustainability, there you go and 1002 01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,840 accessibility to technology, and applications. The fact 1003 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,990 that they even had to do this survey tells me and it's just 1004 01:04:24,990 --> 01:04:28,920 nothing against Patreon. They see the writing on the wall that 1005 01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:33,780 lots of companies see this. The financial system is not sound. 1006 01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:35,670 People are looking for alternatives. 1007 01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:41,490 They call it crypto payments. But yeah, but what they actually 1008 01:04:41,490 --> 01:04:44,700 said in the survey when people were looked doing the survey was 1009 01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:48,720 web three. Yeah, there you go. Those are completely different 1010 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:55,860 things. Yeah. And so even even beyond, you know, given that you 1011 01:04:55,860 --> 01:05:00,780 still had 25% of podcasters in this survey, Booth thought that 1012 01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:06,930 crypto payments were crucial or nice to have. That's to me that 1013 01:05:06,930 --> 01:05:08,070 was very encouraging. 1014 01:05:08,190 --> 01:05:15,150 Absolutely. Yep. Now, we're on a good path here, Oscar Mary, I'm 1015 01:05:15,150 --> 01:05:19,140 so happy that you are leading the charge. You're you're really 1016 01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:21,870 delving deep, and you're delivering a lot of value with 1017 01:05:21,870 --> 01:05:22,770 what you're doing here. 1018 01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:25,650 How am I appreciate that? 1019 01:05:26,219 --> 01:05:29,699 How much runway? Do you have? I mean, you don't have to divulge 1020 01:05:29,699 --> 01:05:32,489 your company secrets to me, but I know that you have some 1021 01:05:32,489 --> 01:05:37,169 financing. Can you keep going on for years? Are you indefinite? 1022 01:05:37,169 --> 01:05:41,519 Do you, you know, do you hope to be making some significant 1023 01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:43,409 revenue within a certain time? 1024 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,290 Yeah, so we've got, we've got a pretty good runway, we do have 1025 01:05:49,290 --> 01:05:53,010 some funding, and I think we'll be we'll be around. I mean, it's 1026 01:05:53,010 --> 01:05:56,490 growing, this is working, you know, this is not something that 1027 01:05:57,210 --> 01:06:02,370 is precarious. I think it's only growing every month. And I think 1028 01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:06,360 the the job that we need to do, obviously, there's the tech that 1029 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,230 we need to build, and you know, the design of the app, and we're 1030 01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:13,020 slowly getting there on all of that, but it's just the 1031 01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:16,110 education job for podcasters. Really, because at the end of 1032 01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:19,320 the day, that's gonna, that's who is going to grow this, 1033 01:06:19,590 --> 01:06:23,970 that's who's gonna grow the users on fountain and all of the 1034 01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:28,620 other podcasting 2.0 apps. So I think we're gonna get there. And 1035 01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:32,430 I think the features that we have coming down the road are 1036 01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:35,790 going to be really exciting as well. So like one of the things 1037 01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:39,960 that we want to do, and this is a bit of a controversial one is, 1038 01:06:41,010 --> 01:06:44,550 obviously the clipping in Fountain is a big part of the 1039 01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:48,060 app. And it's a big part of what we believe in personally, 1040 01:06:48,180 --> 01:06:51,060 because we just believe that there's incredible insight and 1041 01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:54,690 wisdom that's locked away in podcast. By so often this 1042 01:06:54,690 --> 01:06:58,950 happens to me, every week, I hear about a new podcast, or an 1043 01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:02,550 episode. That sounds fascinating, but I just don't 1044 01:07:02,550 --> 01:07:06,750 have any time to listen to it. And if I could have somebody 1045 01:07:06,750 --> 01:07:12,600 that I follow, who I respect, go and listen to that, and surface 1046 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,150 and incredible insight for it. Like for me, that's so valuable. 1047 01:07:15,330 --> 01:07:18,450 So the clipping is really important to us. And we want to 1048 01:07:18,450 --> 01:07:23,730 evolve it. And we're thinking how can we link the clipping to 1049 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,700 value for value? Yes, yes, yes. podcast is it agree with us, 1050 01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:34,380 like podcasters want a way to incentivize their listeners to 1051 01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:38,370 create clips, because it's free promotion for them? Especially 1052 01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:41,970 when you have some kind of social connection there. Because 1053 01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:44,670 it's not just anyone random telling you about the episode. 1054 01:07:44,670 --> 01:07:48,840 It's someone that you follow and respect. So I mean, I would love 1055 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:55,080 to have the ability for fountain users to boost a clip. And we 1056 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,300 just need to figure out how we would do that with the value 1057 01:07:57,300 --> 01:08:02,340 block like do we set a default like 50% goes to the user that 1058 01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:05,160 created the clip and and the other 50% goes out to the value 1059 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,330 block? Or do we give the podcast a way to signal in the value 1060 01:08:09,330 --> 01:08:14,490 block that they are happy for, you know, some kind of curation 1061 01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:18,450 to happen and what split they would like for curators, I think 1062 01:08:19,020 --> 01:08:21,540 that is going to be really powerful. And that's what the 1063 01:08:21,540 --> 01:08:24,840 podcasters we've spoken to really want and are excited 1064 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,970 about. So I'd love to get your guys's thoughts on that. 1065 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:35,040 Yeah, I've got, you know, we have this notion of a fee in 1066 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,710 there, that at the attribute, you can have it you can 1067 01:08:37,710 --> 01:08:41,370 designate a split as a fee. And I wonder if you can also if you 1068 01:08:41,370 --> 01:08:48,000 can just designate a split for for that type of thing. So like 1069 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:54,480 this, like if somebody boosts this, for some sort of ancillary 1070 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:58,200 reason, like clipping or something else, like some third 1071 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,730 party thing, like then, then I want that person to get this 1072 01:09:02,730 --> 01:09:07,680 much, then because that way, you're saying I value, here's 1073 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,730 how much I value, like third party promotion or something 1074 01:09:11,730 --> 01:09:19,290 like that I'm willing to give this third party this percentage 1075 01:09:19,620 --> 01:09:26,790 of my boost in order to like reward them. You're kind of 1076 01:09:26,790 --> 01:09:29,550 putting it back on this as much as my first thought just my 1077 01:09:29,550 --> 01:09:32,280 rough and dirty first thought is you're sort of putting it back 1078 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:38,820 on the on the podcast or to say a How much do you if somebody if 1079 01:09:38,820 --> 01:09:42,240 somebody promotes your show, how much do you want to give give up 1080 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,850 to them? Because some people may it may be different some people 1081 01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:47,970 may actually value that a lot and say you know you can keep 1082 01:09:47,970 --> 01:09:49,410 100% of that list 1083 01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:54,090 as a as a podcaster. Who does this already? Here's here's 1084 01:09:54,120 --> 01:10:00,570 here's how I would probably like to do that. And I understand 1085 01:10:00,570 --> 01:10:03,300 where you're coming from Oscar where they'd be great if anybody 1086 01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:08,640 can create a clip and then and then get a get a split for it. 1087 01:10:09,390 --> 01:10:12,060 And I'm not quite sure. I was just thinking, how would you 1088 01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:17,910 make that work? Currently, for some shows, I mean, I have 1089 01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:23,550 multiple 5% recipients, no agenda, which we don't take any, 1090 01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:27,090 no agenda doesn't take any of the money itself. It goes to 1091 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,380 people who are in the splits. And the clip custodian who 1092 01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:36,180 delivers, you know, anywhere from 10 to 20 clips per show, 1093 01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:40,530 which are perfectly guys an expert, you know, I was giving 1094 01:10:40,530 --> 01:10:45,900 him 10% I just recently upped that to 20. Now, and so, for me, 1095 01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,560 it's more like, instead of letting the audience loose on 1096 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,150 it, I prefer to say, Okay, this person's good. You're, you know, 1097 01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:58,410 we want to do this very soon. Once Once we can spin up wallets 1098 01:10:58,410 --> 01:11:02,310 quicker. We have fresh album art for no agenda, I want to right 1099 01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:05,160 away be able to put the out, you know, the the artists should be 1100 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,060 able to get a split from that episode. So these are all things 1101 01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:13,170 that feels natural to me for the podcast, or to control it versus 1102 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:19,290 a third party. But that's just me. 1103 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,830 Well, that that's, that sort of fits with with the concept. 1104 01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:29,820 Yeah, cuz you you could just put in a general split those like, 1105 01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,600 maybe it's not even, you know, maybe it's not even Oh, there's 1106 01:11:33,630 --> 01:11:37,680 there's an idea. So what if you have a promotion split? Yeah, 1107 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,990 that but somehow it's an alias or something that it? So that 1108 01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:46,200 split? It says, Okay, where did this come from? Oh, it came from 1109 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,290 here. That's this wallet. I mean, I'm now I'm making up 1110 01:11:49,290 --> 01:11:53,160 stuff that I can't develop. But you know, when it's a pre 1111 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,230 designated thing, something like that. 1112 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,070 That's a good that, yeah, this is an interesting problem, 1113 01:11:59,070 --> 01:11:59,280 because 1114 01:11:59,789 --> 01:12:02,549 I just I just don't want people making shit clips just to get 1115 01:12:02,549 --> 01:12:05,219 paid. You know, that's, that's the problem. 1116 01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:08,670 Well, it's go ahead last year, 1117 01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:13,560 I think it wouldn't be. So I definitely don't see it as 1118 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,580 linked to the payments that are already going out through the 1119 01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:22,770 episode. I see as separate to that. So it wouldn't be like, if 1120 01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:28,080 you created a clip, you wouldn't get paid automatically. From the 1121 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,080 people that are already streaming to the episode or 1122 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:35,220 boosting the episode, it would be separate to that. And so in 1123 01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:39,510 order to get paid for creating a clip, someone else would have to 1124 01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,220 listen to that clip, value that clip and actively choose to 1125 01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:49,140 boost that clip. So I think that there wouldn't be a spam 1126 01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:51,120 problem. In fact, it would be the opposite, you would 1127 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,650 incentivize very high quality clips, because people would be 1128 01:12:55,650 --> 01:12:59,640 able to earn from creating them. So I think it would have to be 1129 01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:00,060 like, 1130 01:13:00,390 --> 01:13:03,360 Okay, this is very interesting. Oscar, let me just play this 1131 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,500 back to you. So you're saying is, so what makes it clip? It is 1132 01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:12,210 its own entity unto itself, and you reverse the process. And you 1133 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,740 and although I still think the podcaster should be in charge of 1134 01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:21,810 what that person gets, but then they they are the main 1135 01:13:21,810 --> 01:13:27,270 recipient? Possibly. So let's say 50%, I think would be too 1136 01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:31,230 much. But you know, could be 20%. And the rest would go to 1137 01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:34,530 the podcast or so could you have? Could you, you almost make 1138 01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:37,740 a feed of clips. Really, when you think about it. Yeah. Yeah, 1139 01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:41,130 you almost want to just create an RSS feed that somehow was 1140 01:13:41,130 --> 01:13:46,350 associated with with the main feed just for internal purposes. 1141 01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:50,940 So we know what the hell it is. But, you know, even though that 1142 01:13:50,940 --> 01:13:54,030 will display as clips everywhere, it has the same 1143 01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:56,820 mechanism is the podcast is that what you're saying? Only it's 1144 01:13:56,820 --> 01:14:01,020 reversed. Are you saying that the person who clips is in 1145 01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:03,960 charge of the splits? Or is it no split? 1146 01:14:05,130 --> 01:14:08,310 I think I think it has to be separate from the episodes. 1147 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:10,860 That's the first thing and I agree with you that the podcast 1148 01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:15,090 that has to be in control of where the money goes. I think 1149 01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:20,340 the difficulty is, you know, if it's on the RSS feed, it gets 1150 01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:24,360 back to this problem of we can't do anything without the hosts 1151 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,580 limits the ideas that we have and experiments that we can run. 1152 01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:34,050 So I think like an easy way to do it would be right now in the 1153 01:14:34,050 --> 01:14:38,490 value block. We have value recipients, which all of the 1154 01:14:38,490 --> 01:14:42,630 apps know how to pass and they know how to pay. We could just 1155 01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:48,750 create a different tag that goes in now like a like a curator 1156 01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:53,400 tag, and they get the same thing. Yep. And so that won't 1157 01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,420 affect the existing streaming payments that won't affect the 1158 01:14:57,420 --> 01:15:00,960 existing booths because the app will actually have to make a 1159 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,440 conscious decision to recognize the new tag. And so let's say 1160 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:09,750 it's a curator tag, then if if an app sees the curator tag, 1161 01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:13,860 they can see the percentage that the podcast that has given that 1162 01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:17,970 blessing to. And so if anyone curates anything from that 1163 01:15:17,970 --> 01:15:23,550 episode or show, we the apps can allow that user to get paid. 1164 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,740 Yeah, I like it. So you, you could have something called 1165 01:15:28,740 --> 01:15:32,040 let's just say a new tag within the value block called podcast 1166 01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:36,510 colon value share, or something. And then it would be like a type 1167 01:15:36,510 --> 01:15:40,320 attribute of, you know, some something if we wanted to get 1168 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,840 that granular with it and have different because you want to, 1169 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,820 when you're when you're modifying the spec, you want to 1170 01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:47,520 future proof it enough to say, Okay, well, would this is the 1171 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,210 one thing we came up with, where would this one idea where people 1172 01:15:51,210 --> 01:15:56,100 could do this thing. But there's potentially other ways that 1173 01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:59,310 somebody could also do something similar. And we might want to 1174 01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:01,860 tweak that behavior a little bit. So you want to make it 1175 01:16:01,860 --> 01:16:05,340 flexible enough, where if you had a value share tag or 1176 01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:08,220 something like that with a type attribute, and then just a 1177 01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:13,410 split, like just just say, split equals 20? For, you know, 20%, 1178 01:16:13,650 --> 01:16:17,100 it would essentially operate like the theta like the fee 1179 01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:21,720 attribute and interesting, yeah. Where you say, okay, whatever 1180 01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,070 the amount is, here's the, here's the, the straight up 1181 01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:31,980 percentage, that the boost that the clip Creator God, and then 1182 01:16:32,010 --> 01:16:36,600 all the rest of it goes in feeds into as an input into the value 1183 01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:41,550 into standard value blog. Does that sound something like what 1184 01:16:41,550 --> 01:16:42,030 you're thinking? 1185 01:16:42,510 --> 01:16:45,180 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Something like that. And yeah, it's 1186 01:16:45,180 --> 01:16:48,630 challenging. I think the naming so important, is challenging to 1187 01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:51,870 get it right. But something like that would just, I think there's 1188 01:16:51,870 --> 01:16:55,830 so much creativity that can be unlocked from that, and the 1189 01:16:55,830 --> 01:17:00,510 ability to see, you know, what we offer right now in the 1190 01:17:00,510 --> 01:17:04,110 podcast, that wallet, which is you can see which episodes were 1191 01:17:04,110 --> 01:17:07,500 boosted the most. And as we had some podcasters on there over 1192 01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:10,650 the past, like, four or five months now, it's actually really 1193 01:17:10,650 --> 01:17:15,090 interesting that they can see oh, this episode, is by far the 1194 01:17:15,090 --> 01:17:19,800 standout in terms of how much value that I received from my 1195 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,710 listeners, what, you know, how did I frame the message on that 1196 01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:26,580 episode? Who is the guest? What did we talk about? That's really 1197 01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:29,550 interesting, you can do the same thing with clips, if you 1198 01:17:29,549 --> 01:17:32,849 don't really drill down on that. So you can see what time a boost 1199 01:17:32,849 --> 01:17:35,069 was sent within within the episode. 1200 01:17:35,940 --> 01:17:39,360 Not yet. But that's where we'd like to get to is just to give 1201 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:44,040 more more granularity and more interesting, more interesting 1202 01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:44,520 inside, 1203 01:17:44,610 --> 01:17:48,360 I really, I really like your idea of linking the Eclipse to 1204 01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:52,950 the value for value. And I think that is probably one of the main 1205 01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:59,670 reasons why Eclipse hasn't really taken off. Of course, 1206 01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:04,140 Eclipse are used everywhere. So I'm trying to couch that in you 1207 01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:08,670 know what that means. But you add that element to it. Oh, my 1208 01:18:08,670 --> 01:18:11,130 goodness, I think that will really propel the whole class. 1209 01:18:11,190 --> 01:18:15,420 Now it makes sense to do something besides just voting. 1210 01:18:15,450 --> 01:18:16,950 You know, I'd like that. 1211 01:18:17,459 --> 01:18:20,459 And also, one other thing that I always think about with 1212 01:18:20,459 --> 01:18:24,479 podcasting is the back catalogue. Like that gives an 1213 01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,319 incentive for listeners that love a show to actually go back 1214 01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:31,439 to the back catalogue, and try and find like, really cool clips 1215 01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:36,329 that people that are new to that show won't have ever they won't, 1216 01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:38,459 they won't have had time to go back and listen to the back 1217 01:18:38,459 --> 01:18:43,289 catalogue. But, you know, here's a clip from two years ago on 1218 01:18:43,289 --> 01:18:46,079 this show that, you know, everyone that comes to this 1219 01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:49,049 show, as a new listener should listen to, because it provides a 1220 01:18:49,049 --> 01:18:52,829 lot of framing for what we talk about, you know, the in jokes, 1221 01:18:52,829 --> 01:18:56,129 stuff like that. So I think it can help unlock the back 1222 01:18:56,129 --> 01:18:58,919 catalogue as well, which is personally just is a really 1223 01:18:58,919 --> 01:19:01,349 interesting concept around podcasting is that the back 1224 01:19:01,349 --> 01:19:04,109 catalogue, just gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and there's 1225 01:19:04,109 --> 01:19:06,389 never any time to go back to it. 1226 01:19:07,140 --> 01:19:11,130 Yeah, I don't remember we've got this show ad for episode 84. I 1227 01:19:11,130 --> 01:19:13,950 have no idea what I said on episode 82. 1228 01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:16,290 I do because I have the transcript the searchable. 1229 01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:19,380 Yes. Oh, he flex. 1230 01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:24,480 I use transcripts so often for going back and finding something 1231 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,320 in a podcast. 1232 01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:27,720 And this is another thing like if you could link it to the 1233 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,840 transcript, and you'd need to be a hosting provider to do this. 1234 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,530 But if and then it links into chapters. And if you can bring 1235 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,940 all of this together so that the user that or the wants to go 1236 01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:41,610 back they'd be able to the transcript chapters, boosts 1237 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,920 clips, you know, everything. 1238 01:19:45,090 --> 01:19:48,330 Here's the thing about clips. I have a couple of thoughts about 1239 01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:52,650 clips. I think there are and I understand what you're saying, 1240 01:19:52,650 --> 01:19:57,030 Adam, you're you said that clips have really never taken off even 1241 01:19:57,030 --> 01:20:00,600 though a lot of people have done Yes, sure. And in a I think the 1242 01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:05,970 sense there is that there are a lot of clips have been tried and 1243 01:20:05,970 --> 01:20:10,920 done many, many times in many ways. But there's never been 1244 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:15,210 sort of like this massive take off where clips where this one 1245 01:20:16,350 --> 01:20:22,770 group has found a way to just make clips. Just take off like a 1246 01:20:22,770 --> 01:20:28,350 rocket. And I think it may be because clips sort of exist in 1247 01:20:28,350 --> 01:20:34,530 two at two levels, you have the thing that you're talking about 1248 01:20:34,530 --> 01:20:38,970 Oscar where you have sort of like a social discovery 1249 01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:44,070 mechanism of a clip where you where somebody shares a clip 1250 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,090 with you and I, hey, listen to this show. And then that's for 1251 01:20:48,090 --> 01:20:50,280 your sort of, like personal discovery or personal 1252 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,840 edification. And you have this other level that clips exist. 1253 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,920 And that's sort of that social media viral level, where you're 1254 01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,330 intending not to just share it with one person, but you're 1255 01:21:03,330 --> 01:21:07,980 intending it to become a meme almost, right. And like the, 1256 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,820 the, the problem with the social sharing of, of clips, the viral 1257 01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:20,910 sharing, is that you don't we see it on things like Tiktok, 1258 01:21:20,940 --> 01:21:24,840 and Instagram, where it has, there has to be a currency 1259 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,600 involved, there has to be some sort of like, you have to have 1260 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,850 this big follower account, it takes a lot to build up to the 1261 01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:34,140 point where sharing that, like takes is worth the time and 1262 01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:37,830 effort for you to do that. And then there's on the social side 1263 01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:41,100 of things. If you're not, if it's not the potential to go 1264 01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:46,830 viral, and get you some sort of income in return, then really, 1265 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:52,680 the effort involved of clipping is too much. Because even though 1266 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,700 clipping has been made easier, it's still a lot of tedious work 1267 01:21:56,700 --> 01:22:00,690 to get the timestamps, right pull those in then clip it out. 1268 01:22:01,110 --> 01:22:04,410 The the social aspect that we started with, I mean, the only 1269 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:09,870 reward you get if you make a YouTube clip, is how many people 1270 01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:14,610 viewed it or likes etc. Yeah, we really don't have that in 1271 01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:17,820 podcast clips. There's no There's no reward mechanism. 1272 01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:22,950 There's no dopamine hit. So having that reflected in 1273 01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:26,310 Satoshis There you go. That's all you need. That's, that's, 1274 01:22:26,340 --> 01:22:29,130 that's fine. That's the dopamine. That's the social 1275 01:22:29,130 --> 01:22:31,680 currency. And Oh, guess what, it's real currency. 1276 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,260 Yeah, and if and if you add even if you could even make it more 1277 01:22:37,260 --> 01:22:40,650 dopamine, if you could take the dopamine and turn it up to 11 1278 01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:47,880 and say, the not only getting SATs, but there's leaderboards 1279 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:53,850 and now you've now you've got the viral thing going on top of 1280 01:22:53,850 --> 01:22:57,180 the money thing. I think I think it can be doable and I think 1281 01:22:57,180 --> 01:23:00,720 this is the honestly I think this what you're talking about 1282 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:05,250 Oscars the only way to make clipping take off. Yeah. In a 1283 01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:05,760 big way. 1284 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,570 Oscars the Oscars muted himself again, that's illegal. Illegal. 1285 01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:13,800 Illegal. 1286 01:23:15,690 --> 01:23:19,650 Yeah. Anyway, that's, that's, that's my thoughts. I don't see 1287 01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:23,880 any other way that clipping becomes becomes the sensation 1288 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,360 that we think it can be without, without that reward mechanism 1289 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,150 there. It's just too hard. No. 1290 01:23:31,230 --> 01:23:35,550 Well, I'm very excited about all these features. And I see you I 1291 01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:40,080 mean, I see your vision Oscar, I really do I see it. And, and, 1292 01:23:40,110 --> 01:23:42,840 and obviously, the hope is that all these cool things you put 1293 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,110 together, you know, be great if they if they feed back the 1294 01:23:46,110 --> 01:23:48,990 information can work in other apps. That's fantastic. 1295 01:23:48,990 --> 01:23:51,930 Definitely. That's fantastic. Oh, yeah, for sure. And we can 1296 01:23:52,230 --> 01:23:54,600 you know, as long as we can figure all of that out we 1297 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,550 definitely want to do that and you know, as a as a podcaster. 1298 01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,190 You take your clips with you just like you take your episodes 1299 01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:06,000 with exactly. So yeah, definitely supportive that 1300 01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,560 this is a value for value project. Those of you listening 1301 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,130 those Hello, chat room. Bye, everybody. People have been 1302 01:24:14,130 --> 01:24:16,680 boosting live which has been good to see we've got the boost 1303 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,470 bot hooked up. Oh, no, I guess we don't I guess since we 1304 01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:23,880 changed the feed. Well, we had the boost bot. But the feed was 1305 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,810 lit for a while. So this we are doing this live and then we're 1306 01:24:27,810 --> 01:24:31,350 running with scissors. You heard that earlier. As part of the 1307 01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:34,980 manifesto that I'm working on, I will be explaining how to ask 1308 01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:38,730 for people to support what you're doing. That's all you 1309 01:24:38,730 --> 01:24:42,150 have to do is talk about it apparently in a pew pew show. So 1310 01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:46,500 how to ask is it's really incredibly important. Our ask 1311 01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:49,800 for this show is pretty simple. Everybody can see the results 1312 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,350 right there at the index. You can see the work that's being 1313 01:24:52,350 --> 01:24:57,570 done and the end liquidity that's being provided and we're 1314 01:24:57,570 --> 01:25:02,010 very very pleased you know, the The we're healthy we're moving 1315 01:25:02,010 --> 01:25:05,760 forward because people are very consistent so keep it going keep 1316 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,780 on boosting keep on sending us Fiat fun coupons we I would like 1317 01:25:09,780 --> 01:25:15,300 to thank a couple people to get it started off little Stanley in 1318 01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:20,070 our blood there that's your cue, Dave. Oh, 1319 01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:21,930 I thought you said I would like to thanks, man. I thought you 1320 01:25:21,930 --> 01:25:23,670 had a list I didn't have Oh no. 1321 01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:26,970 Well, you know what, why don't I run quickly through the live 1322 01:25:26,970 --> 01:25:33,840 booster grams. Okay. 2000 from see Brooklyn. One 112 Thank you 1323 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:40,500 for your courage. We have cotton gin tonic. This ESG stuff sounds 1324 01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:45,600 depressingly less awesome with 9999 set 10,000 from boost 1325 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,170 brewery shout out to Mitch for getting BTS lit in pod verse 1326 01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:52,020 last Monday night yes pod verse now also doing the live item 1327 01:25:52,020 --> 01:25:55,140 tag. Shout out to Oscar and fountain for playing gifs in the 1328 01:25:55,140 --> 01:26:01,680 chapter art go VHS effects go chapter's go podcasting. Go 1329 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:07,170 everything. Yes, Cotton Gin Tonic and other 9999. Let's see 1330 01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:11,040 we have Carolyn, that that was 8888 from her hug story 1331 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,350 question. Thanks for Spencer for your 3333 and your 6960 nines, a 1332 01:26:16,350 --> 01:26:20,730 couple of them. Another row of eights for podcasting. 2.0 says 1333 01:26:20,730 --> 01:26:24,420 Carolyn 8888. I enjoy using fountain question for Oscar will 1334 01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:27,690 be the wave. Will there be a way for podcasters to control their 1335 01:26:27,690 --> 01:26:31,500 presence on fountain? I'm not quite sure what she means. What 1336 01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:32,940 does that mean? Do you know Oscar? 1337 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,800 Yeah, I think it probably means this is something that we've 1338 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,750 heard a few times, which is we have profiles on fountain. But 1339 01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:46,890 right now if you have claimed a podcast, your profile doesn't 1340 01:26:46,890 --> 01:26:52,050 look any different. Okay, this user is the host of this show. 1341 01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:55,710 Got it? Yeah, that's something definitely look to add soon. 1342 01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:01,350 Excellent. Fletcher. 5555 says you can't beat freshly made 1343 01:27:01,350 --> 01:27:07,470 sausage and sweaty butt cracks. That's right. Servo with 1000 1344 01:27:07,470 --> 01:27:12,210 SATs live item shot HSMAI vitam. Yes. Chad Pharaoh says there was 1345 01:27:12,210 --> 01:27:16,890 3333 This feels like a real board meeting. Yes, yes. What do 1346 01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:21,180 you mean feels like it isn't real board meeting? And let's 1347 01:27:21,180 --> 01:27:23,970 see. Yeah, and then the rest came in before the show. 1348 01:27:24,299 --> 01:27:31,619 Alabama we call this won't but you know, within two minutes. 1349 01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:35,880 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can have it in Alabama or in Texas if 1350 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:40,800 you're editing live code. Yes. And both results in the same. 1351 01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:43,350 Thank you all very much. Keep boosting us with a modern 1352 01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:45,630 podcast app new podcast. apps.com. 1353 01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:52,110 We have no individual Pay Pal donations. We had a good week 1354 01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:55,920 last week so expected to fall off but sad puppy, but that's 1355 01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,930 okay, we have some monthlies. I'll do the monthlies. First. We 1356 01:28:00,930 --> 01:28:06,630 have Scott Jalbert $12 Thanks Scott. Chad Pharaoh $20. the 1357 01:28:06,630 --> 01:28:11,010 ever present Chad Pharaoh Loretta Vandenberg. Is that a 1358 01:28:11,010 --> 01:28:17,520 Dutch name? Yeah, could be okay. Sounds Dutch Yeah. Mark as 1359 01:28:17,550 --> 01:28:26,670 Loretta gave $10 Mark Graham $1. David meet us $10 Hope love and 1360 01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:30,000 lit to David meet us for his daughter has skateboard 1361 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:30,420 accidents. 1362 01:28:30,450 --> 01:28:31,200 Oh no. 1363 01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:33,960 Yes. All things with wheels can kill you. 1364 01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:35,520 Yes. Is she okay? 1365 01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:39,810 I think so. He says she's she's gonna be get bruised 1366 01:28:39,810 --> 01:28:42,480 and cut I've had many skateboard accident. 1367 01:28:44,190 --> 01:28:51,060 Boris Boris kudelski $1 and Joseph maraca $5 Jeremy new $5 1368 01:28:51,060 --> 01:28:57,270 and Cameron Rose $25 good time to say that just remind 1369 01:28:57,270 --> 01:29:03,060 everybody that the $125 for T shirts if you want a t shirt is 1370 01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:06,300 donation because we we get that sorted out now we get the t 1371 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:13,320 shirt thing back in business. We got some moose from and you can 1372 01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,650 tell me if I repeat a boost that was live last week. I think I 1373 01:29:16,650 --> 01:29:20,430 don't think I've got the timing right. Okay, okay. Hard Hat 1374 01:29:20,610 --> 01:29:28,950 gives the road ducks 2222 through curio caster he says try 1375 01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:29,640 six. 1376 01:29:30,660 --> 01:29:33,450 Okay, I'll try six. I'll try seven. 1377 01:29:36,690 --> 01:29:42,600 Roy scheinfeld Our buddy 54,321 SATs. Yay. 1378 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:48,480 See the big baller. II see a big baller for today. Big boost. 1379 01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:49,350 Thank you, Roy. 1380 01:29:50,610 --> 01:29:52,140 Yes, he is the baller 1381 01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:59,730 shot caller 20 blades on him power boost boost. Nice you Roy 1382 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,600 pinata 1383 01:30:00,810 --> 01:30:04,530 big baller today get an honorary Devorah check. Yeah, 1384 01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:05,820 we don't mess around. 1385 01:30:07,529 --> 01:30:14,429 And it's just a big it's a big row of, of emoji that my email 1386 01:30:14,459 --> 01:30:19,769 client refuses to parse. I don't know what what he actually sent. 1387 01:30:21,449 --> 01:30:26,219 I gotta figure that out. Oh, Carolyn, this must be Carolyn 1388 01:30:26,219 --> 01:30:30,929 from Hawk story. Row ducks. 2222 through fountain. There you go, 1389 01:30:30,929 --> 01:30:32,009 Oscar. Very nice. 1390 01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:39,150 Throw out some rubber ducks. Steven B is all bummed out on 1391 01:30:39,150 --> 01:30:42,900 the mastodon. No, don't worry. It's just been an embarrassing 1392 01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:48,990 day. Sorry for all the extra work now. To do you gave us 20 1393 01:30:48,990 --> 01:30:51,360 minutes of free content to appreciate it 1394 01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:59,010 cannot buddy. This in the chat, duck ducks and emoji ducks in 1395 01:30:59,010 --> 01:31:02,580 emoji action. Okay, there again. I cannot interpret my emojis 1396 01:31:02,580 --> 01:31:08,250 here so sorry. Currently, this is a problem. Yeah. Hard Hat 1397 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,010 back with more dogs. 2222 is day 1398 01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,920 holy crap. I gotta be hittin the Duck Hunt map 1399 01:31:18,930 --> 01:31:24,780 each just keep that just hit. f5 just refresh. Yeah. 4400 sets 1400 01:31:24,810 --> 01:31:29,850 from Sir dog. And he just says boost. Yeah. Boost. And that's 1401 01:31:29,850 --> 01:31:35,280 through fountain. What how's it feel? Oscar. It's pretty. It's 1402 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:39,300 pretty awesome to see. Like all these booths coming in from, you 1403 01:31:39,300 --> 01:31:41,790 know, from your app and knowing that this stuff originates with 1404 01:31:41,790 --> 01:31:43,290 tech that you build in that fun. 1405 01:31:44,460 --> 01:31:47,130 It's really fun. Yeah, I mean, it's great to hear the booth on 1406 01:31:47,130 --> 01:31:50,970 the show. But I mean, meeting people in person as well. That 1407 01:31:50,970 --> 01:31:55,620 was the best out in Bitcoin, Miami. You know, just a couple 1408 01:31:55,620 --> 01:31:59,070 of people. I was just standing in line next to and told them 1409 01:31:59,070 --> 01:32:03,510 what I did. Oh, yeah, fountain. Yeah, I use that. Good feeling. 1410 01:32:04,230 --> 01:32:08,100 And yeah, I mean, ultimately, I just love listening to podcasts 1411 01:32:08,100 --> 01:32:12,090 anyway. So I'm doing this for me, basically. But it's just 1412 01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:13,590 good that other people enjoy it, too. 1413 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,340 Yeah, yeah. That's, that's what I always try to tell people 1414 01:32:17,340 --> 01:32:20,550 about developer motivations. Developer motivations are really 1415 01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:22,890 simple. Obviously, we got to have food, the food on the 1416 01:32:22,890 --> 01:32:29,250 table. Really pizzas, that's it new. And Mountain Dew may be 1417 01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:32,940 more important than, than making a living. And this is embodied 1418 01:32:32,940 --> 01:32:37,380 in the open source world is the satisfaction of building 1419 01:32:37,380 --> 01:32:42,420 something and seeing people enjoy using it that that is a 1420 01:32:42,420 --> 01:32:44,070 pretty big reward in and of itself. 1421 01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:48,210 And I can tell you from the from the daily statistics that the 1422 01:32:48,210 --> 01:32:54,540 number one sat sending app is fountain. Yeah, and that's 1423 01:32:54,540 --> 01:32:59,910 always followed by breeze or curio caster or cast. ematic 1424 01:32:59,910 --> 01:33:02,280 which I think Dave you've been using Casper Matic Haven't you 1425 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,360 Dave? Yeah, yeah, I can tell I can tell when you're using 1426 01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:07,260 custom Matic 1427 01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:09,750 bounce around the church. Oh, 1428 01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:13,140 I bounced around all the time to I'm using everything. Including 1429 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:19,230 kill your FM synth 5000 SATs through fountain says Whoa, 1430 01:33:19,230 --> 01:33:22,320 thanks for the mention guys. I'm enjoying drinking from the fire 1431 01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,710 hose. Association of music podcasting has since been 1432 01:33:25,710 --> 01:33:29,010 retired, but it was originally founded in 2006 to represent 1433 01:33:29,010 --> 01:33:32,880 both independent artists and podsafe music, as well as the 1434 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,660 podcasters promoting and playing them sort of a beacon for both 1435 01:33:36,660 --> 01:33:40,320 artists and podcasters to rally around the way podcasting 2.0 is 1436 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,470 shaping up, maybe a similar organization could be a valuable 1437 01:33:43,470 --> 01:33:46,320 resource. Thanks for everything you're doing. Well, you're 1438 01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:46,680 welcome. 1439 01:33:46,890 --> 01:33:50,130 Oh, I think this is going to happen. I'm not sure how it's 1440 01:33:50,130 --> 01:33:52,530 going to form or what's going to happen but we're going to need 1441 01:33:52,650 --> 01:33:55,860 we're going to have a version of podsafe music it'll be value for 1442 01:33:55,860 --> 01:34:00,690 value or whatever. And there will be education resources, 1443 01:34:00,690 --> 01:34:04,230 necessary apps all kinds of stuff, but there's demand out 1444 01:34:04,230 --> 01:34:05,730 there. You can feel it everywhere. 1445 01:34:06,270 --> 01:34:08,220 Well, Spencer is going to do it or die trying. 1446 01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,080 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 1447 01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:18,390 Dirty Jersey whore. Okay 1000 through fountain What do you let 1448 01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:19,710 people like that on fountain? 1449 01:34:19,980 --> 01:34:22,560 They're really You gotta you gotta moderate that shit 1450 01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,200 brother. Yeah, that this is horrible. 1451 01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:30,120 Yeah, I'm gonna let I'm gonna let Janka Whitner this. He just 1452 01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,540 bought a box of meats from KFC cattle using my Umbral bone 1453 01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:34,710 broth boost. Oh, 1454 01:34:34,710 --> 01:34:37,290 yeah. Boost Nice. 1455 01:34:38,370 --> 01:34:41,550 That's That's your new venture, right? Yeah, yes. 1456 01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:46,050 Yes. I have bought a ranch and I'm, I'm boxing up meat as what 1457 01:34:46,050 --> 01:34:49,170 I'm doing these days. I'm so happy KNC cattle, they're from 1458 01:34:49,170 --> 01:34:53,040 Austin. They are part of the beef initiative, which is Texas 1459 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,930 slims entire push who came out of retirement to teach people 1460 01:34:57,930 --> 01:35:03,390 about food again and and how it all originates from the seed and 1461 01:35:03,390 --> 01:35:07,350 what real pure beef is and what it what it does and what it 1462 01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:10,350 doesn't do and and they have connected everybody through 1463 01:35:10,350 --> 01:35:16,290 Bitcoin. So here you can see KNC cattle bought using my Umbral 1464 01:35:17,250 --> 01:35:20,280 yeah, that's, that's a bit coin purchase right there and 1465 01:35:20,490 --> 01:35:21,450 couldn't be happier. 1466 01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,250 So I didn't have time to print these out. So I'm reading I'm 1467 01:35:26,250 --> 01:35:33,000 doing them through my email. And the the way my email window is 1468 01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:36,960 configured at the moment is kind of scrunched up on the on the 1469 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,640 thing and you'll have a look up to two emails above where I'm at 1470 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,870 right now. The subject line is cut off and it says the art CEO 1471 01:35:45,870 --> 01:35:51,060 is very high. If I expand it, this is very high on podcasting, 1472 01:35:51,060 --> 01:35:54,540 but there's when I first says Oh, all right. I didn't know 1473 01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:59,130 that about him. Sir Shauna the Allegheny Valley says 2500 SAS 1474 01:35:59,130 --> 01:36:02,910 through cast ematic speaking of he says, boosting the bots 1475 01:36:03,150 --> 01:36:08,910 are Yo Yo yo yo, here's your cue to boost you know, you want to 1476 01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:17,310 vache the A ke soon as 400 SAS through fountain. He says he or 1477 01:36:17,310 --> 01:36:20,280 she says testing out the boost feature. It works to Graham. 1478 01:36:21,330 --> 01:36:26,790 Test successful CASP eland 3690 through fountain and he says 1479 01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:27,630 thanks for the show. 1480 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,160 No complaint UCaaS 1481 01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:35,760 4848 SATs through from comic strip blogger through fountain 1482 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,810 and he says returning back here 3333 Plus tiny bonus. Oh yeah. 1483 01:36:39,930 --> 01:36:41,550 Regular. What is this about? 1484 01:36:41,940 --> 01:36:45,900 Well, he, he he was this is the test that we did. He said, Hey, 1485 01:36:46,290 --> 01:36:50,010 fountain I have now a csb@fountain.fm address, but 1486 01:36:50,010 --> 01:36:53,790 it's only for fountain. And I went No it's not. And I sent and 1487 01:36:53,790 --> 01:36:58,920 I sent him 3333 From breeze to his fountain address. That's how 1488 01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:03,930 I know that it works quite well. Widely. And so you didn't use 1489 01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:06,810 comics, your blogger Thank you do not have to send it back. But 1490 01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:08,430 thanks. We'll take it. 1491 01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:12,720 I'll send regular tin oh three, three next week to meaning of 1492 01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:16,080 4848 equal phone prefix in Poland. 1493 01:37:16,290 --> 01:37:17,670 Okay. All right. Nice. 1494 01:37:19,110 --> 01:37:21,810 Thanks, chemistry. Another one from chemistry. comes through 1495 01:37:21,810 --> 01:37:25,410 blog races just returning your second 3333 meaning of 48 Poland 1496 01:37:25,410 --> 01:37:29,430 country code. I have plenty of cash to send me anything. Oh, 1497 01:37:29,490 --> 01:37:30,060 unless you want to 1498 01:37:30,060 --> 01:37:32,940 test stuff. No, just send us more. Thank you. Yeah, just keep 1499 01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:34,530 doing it. Keep sending refresh. 1500 01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:44,850 Lyceum 1776 So that's that's the Liberty boost. Yep, yep. Through 1501 01:37:44,850 --> 01:37:49,950 fountain and he says my first boost. Great, awesome. Boost. 1502 01:37:51,870 --> 01:37:56,520 Another 7770 76 He says Adam best premises with a value for 1503 01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:02,820 value manifesto. Okay, thank you working on it. Oh, there's Dave 1504 01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:07,830 Jackson. There. Yeah. Dave Yeah. 7777 through cast Matic and he 1505 01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:09,060 says styler boost. 1506 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:17,400 Nice. Also a Christian boost I learned recently 7770 sevens is 1507 01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,520 all good Christian numbers I've been per line I'm informed the 1508 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:21,150 perfect number 1509 01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:27,000 floydian slips send us 2000 SATs through fountain and he says 1510 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,200 paying forward the SATs fountain paid me paying forward this at 1511 01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,620 fountain paid me for using the app. Thanks Dave. Adam and 1512 01:38:34,620 --> 01:38:38,520 Oscar. Oh cool. Well, we'll get the band together. So there you 1513 01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:45,120 go. Yeah. See at 93 says from Red Bull. This through breeze. 1514 01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:49,320 He says at 93 US Navy Chief Petty Officer moved from cert 1515 01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:54,360 twin screw still loving the show rusty WFE web for BSD 1516 01:38:57,450 --> 01:38:59,130 twin screw nice 1517 01:38:59,550 --> 01:39:06,240 do we have what we had a D what do we have? It wasn't the do 1518 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:06,540 shows? 1519 01:39:07,620 --> 01:39:08,820 Oh didn't know we have d 1520 01:39:12,060 --> 01:39:15,270 defragmented that's it? Yes, yes. Yes. Do we need to 1521 01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:16,290 defragment Yeah, well 1522 01:39:16,289 --> 01:39:19,079 those people officer yes people boost for the first time you 1523 01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:21,329 want to get a D fragmenting. We're here for you. 1524 01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:32,940 Se OTT Skylane Yeah. says go podcast 2.0 That was 10,420 1525 01:39:32,940 --> 01:39:33,360 SATs. 1526 01:39:33,390 --> 01:39:36,510 Ooh, nice. Another nice reference. Okay, this is the 1527 01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:37,530 bomb boost 1528 01:39:42,660 --> 01:39:46,440 you get some of that second hand over there. Oscar. If it goes 1529 01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:47,400 out on the table. 1530 01:39:48,690 --> 01:39:49,590 Yeah, little bit. 1531 01:39:50,610 --> 01:39:54,360 Nomad, Joe gave 2000 SATs through fountain and he says 1532 01:39:54,360 --> 01:40:01,410 boosted again. Yeah, it's like you know, magic boost 55 552 1533 01:40:01,410 --> 01:40:05,640 sets from two Satoshi stream. Oh, hey Satoshi stream through 1534 01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,350 fountain. And he says boost 1535 01:40:07,500 --> 01:40:11,160 go. That's interesting boost the onboarding, boosting the 1536 01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:12,240 onboarding. Love it. 1537 01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:17,910 Yeah, that's a double onboarding. So what? Why that's 1538 01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:21,510 interesting that Satoshi stream boosted through the app through 1539 01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:24,900 fountain app instead of just directly through the command 1540 01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:27,720 line or whatever magic system they have. 1541 01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:32,340 Because you you want to you want to boost the whole club. True, 1542 01:40:32,460 --> 01:40:39,420 by the way, Oscar, you can you email me a light lightning ID to 1543 01:40:39,420 --> 01:40:40,830 add to the splits for the show. 1544 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:46,740 Yeah, I will do I'll send you a little video of what it looks 1545 01:40:46,740 --> 01:40:50,640 like in Fountain to add other users as well, just in case 1546 01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:51,510 you're interested in that. 1547 01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,910 Very, very nice. Yeah, definitely want to see that. But 1548 01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:56,970 I also just want to add you to our split for today. That'd be 1549 01:40:56,970 --> 01:40:58,740 amazing. Thank you, of course. 1550 01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:04,860 16 1611 1611 SAS from slewed, and now that we know the 1551 01:41:04,860 --> 01:41:08,340 pronunciation through fountain and he says, Where do I go? And 1552 01:41:08,340 --> 01:41:11,910 how much do I have to pay to get my official podcasting license? 1553 01:41:12,090 --> 01:41:15,540 Forget about podcasts? Yeah, yeah. And what about those cool 1554 01:41:15,540 --> 01:41:19,440 podcasting? 2.0 t shirts? Well, we just talked about it. 125 1555 01:41:19,470 --> 01:41:21,750 Whatever you do the accounting figure out how many sets you 1556 01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:26,760 donate, but adds up to 125 bucks. Let us know and email me 1557 01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:27,660 and I'll send you a t shirt. 1558 01:41:28,110 --> 01:41:34,740 Yes, and the podcast. So podcast licensed.com. I have I was the 1559 01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:38,340 one thing that I wasn't that I wasn't able to resurrect a gig 1560 01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:43,320 broke years ago. And I was doing OPML Yeah, I was doing 1561 01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:50,490 subdomains so be like, you know, like, Adam at Adam dot podcast 1562 01:41:50,490 --> 01:41:55,290 licensed.com and had a templated show my podcast license. But I 1563 01:41:55,290 --> 01:41:57,480 think it's valuable. I think we're gonna have to start 1564 01:41:57,480 --> 01:42:00,300 licensing people again so just have to figure out how to do it 1565 01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:03,000 but we have that and there's nothing you can do right now. 1566 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:03,990 But stay tuned. 1567 01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,340 You are doing that as the as the as the pod father as the vinner. 1568 01:42:09,570 --> 01:42:10,380 Joe Yeah, as 1569 01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:16,050 they see now now we know we have to actually have standing. 1570 01:42:16,770 --> 01:42:21,030 Now we can issue licenses. I think we can't we have standing 1571 01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:24,060 enough standing to be the licensing authority. Yes, the 1572 01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:24,540 licensing 1573 01:42:24,540 --> 01:42:25,020 body 1574 01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:27,750 considered dumb. 1575 01:42:28,650 --> 01:42:34,470 Bitcoin dad pod sent 420 sets for 20 through fountain he said 1576 01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,350 I had not made the connection between the oral tradition and 1577 01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:40,200 podcasting that helps me understand why I love podcasting 1578 01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:43,710 so much. Heavy listener 10 hours a week. Can we talk about 1579 01:42:43,710 --> 01:42:46,230 getting podcasting 2.0 into antenna pod? 1580 01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:52,650 Well antenna pod has some bits of it I think almost honored 1581 01:42:52,650 --> 01:42:54,360 honors boost yes honors 1582 01:42:55,800 --> 01:43:06,960 yet, my antenna pod is Kunis on Mastodon is a sort of like a I 1583 01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:11,070 think he's like a community liaison or manager or some sort 1584 01:43:11,070 --> 01:43:14,160 of community advocate for antenna pot. And I know that 1585 01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:19,350 they definitely have been looking at value for value and 1586 01:43:20,340 --> 01:43:23,700 Bitcoin payments and things like that. But I mean, I think 1587 01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:26,850 antenna pod and very much is is into podcasting. Two point. 1588 01:43:26,850 --> 01:43:27,120 Yeah, I 1589 01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,250 just don't know. It's not a value for value. I don't think 1590 01:43:29,250 --> 01:43:30,060 specifically. 1591 01:43:31,020 --> 01:43:34,470 Yeah, not that far. But I think like namespace tags and stuff 1592 01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:38,070 for sure. Yeah. Let me actually leave Look at that. That's a 1593 01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:38,370 good 1594 01:43:40,020 --> 01:43:42,450 I was already going there to go take a look. 1595 01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:46,320 Okay. They support the funding tag and they use us for search. 1596 01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:46,890 Right. 1597 01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:49,170 So far to start. 1598 01:43:51,300 --> 01:43:54,570 I think I want to say there's more than that. And then in the 1599 01:43:54,570 --> 01:44:00,060 website may not be current. Thank you Bitcoin dad pod. Yes. 1600 01:44:00,990 --> 01:44:02,040 Comic Strip blogger. 1601 01:44:02,850 --> 01:44:05,010 Oh, wait, there he is late labor. I'm 1602 01:44:05,010 --> 01:44:09,240 sorry. Andy layman. Andy layman cast MATIC 257. Sassy says 1603 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,180 remind me again, why Adam didn't like loopback in his audio 1604 01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:12,720 devices. 1605 01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:17,310 Oh, because it's a you'd have no control over busing, you need 1606 01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:21,900 busing? For mix minus and things of this ilk and you need control 1607 01:44:21,930 --> 01:44:26,850 over the audio coming from your USB device, not just a straight 1608 01:44:26,850 --> 01:44:31,410 pass through. It's for gamers. It's not for professional 1609 01:44:31,410 --> 01:44:34,410 audios, audio professionals who do podcasting. 1610 01:44:34,980 --> 01:44:38,910 bussing would be more akin to what you get in something like 1611 01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:45,060 Audio Hijack, is that right? In a virtual sense, but it's like 1612 01:44:45,060 --> 01:44:47,430 you can route it's routing, its routing. 1613 01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:50,610 Yeah, routing and control really control over because you can 1614 01:44:50,610 --> 01:44:54,270 route with a with a loopback device, but you can't you have 1615 01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:56,910 no other control over it. It's just there. There it is. You 1616 01:44:56,910 --> 01:45:01,200 can't know this. There's never going to be any processing on 1617 01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:04,950 it. It's just it's just an input an input with no channel and you 1618 01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:10,620 want an input to have an entire strip to manipulate that input. 1619 01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,330 Yeah, that makes sense. 1620 01:45:12,690 --> 01:45:18,750 Gotcha. Oh, yeah, here it is, comes through blogger. 15,033. 1621 01:45:18,750 --> 01:45:25,470 So this is more. Hold on a second. Yeah, he's up the ante. 1622 01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:30,000 He chose fountain. He says, How do you David Adams has been 1623 01:45:30,210 --> 01:45:33,660 bitcoin is dipping. So this time I donate 150%. 1624 01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,160 That's so nice. Now there's a guy who's thinking about us. 1625 01:45:38,610 --> 01:45:41,880 And your listeners are welcome to listen to podcast about AI. 1626 01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,120 Really? Did you know about this book? 1627 01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,750 I've heard of it. I heard about it on Korean Zookeeper. I heard 1628 01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:51,210 it. I hear it on all different shows. Yes. 1629 01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:55,140 Did you also hear that it's read by Gregory William Forsythe 1630 01:45:55,140 --> 01:45:56,010 Foreman from Kent. 1631 01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,040 Yeah, that's a guy who used to own a bar. I think pub Yes. 1632 01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,860 Just type in your web browser or any podcast app. A i dot 1633 01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:11,010 cooking. Yo, yo. How you doing booster? Thank you. So yes, but 1634 01:46:11,010 --> 01:46:11,220 that's 1635 01:46:12,150 --> 01:46:14,970 right. That's it. Yeah. Gee, thank you so much, everybody for 1636 01:46:14,970 --> 01:46:19,440 boosting your little hearts out. I haven't. I haven't done the 1637 01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:19,770 math. 1638 01:46:20,130 --> 01:46:23,940 Whiz Gregory William Forsyth Forman a big name in the UK. 1639 01:46:24,180 --> 01:46:24,540 Oscar. 1640 01:46:26,190 --> 01:46:27,240 I've never heard of him. 1641 01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,110 He's a hologram. He's a hologram that comics are blogger 1642 01:46:31,140 --> 01:46:34,320 programmed in his AI dot cooking lab or something like 1643 01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,330 that. He's in my dreams. 1644 01:46:38,130 --> 01:46:40,860 Yes, that is kind of interesting. And advertising in 1645 01:46:40,860 --> 01:46:45,240 this manner does work. Oddly. Yes. Another thing another thing 1646 01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:47,490 that this booster grams are great for, of course, I'm gonna 1647 01:46:47,550 --> 01:46:51,960 I'm gonna cross promote your app if you're paying me to cross 1648 01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:53,490 cross promote your podcast. 1649 01:46:54,420 --> 01:46:58,170 Hello is probably like, a it's probably like, what? 10 o'clock 1650 01:46:58,170 --> 01:47:00,000 at night over there. Right now. Oscar? 1651 01:47:02,250 --> 01:47:05,010 Is 920 to nine. Yeah. 1652 01:47:05,580 --> 01:47:08,100 Okay, that's trying to be mindful of your time because I 1653 01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:11,430 did have one more thing I wanted to talk about if you're getting 1654 01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:15,540 if your game because it is the potential for opening up the 1655 01:47:15,540 --> 01:47:22,410 API. So and that just just meaning not having not needing 1656 01:47:22,410 --> 01:47:27,210 tokens or API keys in order to access like some or all of the 1657 01:47:27,210 --> 01:47:35,250 API calls. And the idea here would be maybe, maybe just 1658 01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:42,870 search, or I'm thinking like search, and then podcast by by 1659 01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:48,750 feed ID podcasts by URL, maybe episodes by feed ID. It may be 1660 01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:56,490 just like a sort of a start with a subset of API endpoints that 1661 01:47:56,490 --> 01:48:00,630 can be made public and not using an API key. And that way we get 1662 01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:07,770 the benefit of better caching. What do you do? I don't know. 1663 01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:10,710 What do you what are your thoughts there? Oscar, do you 1664 01:48:10,710 --> 01:48:14,250 think that do you think that would be a good way to go? 1665 01:48:14,250 --> 01:48:17,250 Because I think well, let me let me flesh it a little bit more. 1666 01:48:18,270 --> 01:48:25,290 My thinking is, if you know Apple's API is is is open. I 1667 01:48:25,290 --> 01:48:29,640 think some of it is closed. But but most of it the iTunes API, 1668 01:48:29,850 --> 01:48:33,300 if you just want to look up basic metadata about a podcast 1669 01:48:33,330 --> 01:48:39,660 it is that is open. And so that in and of itself makes it easy, 1670 01:48:39,810 --> 01:48:44,520 and gives it sort of initial already called inertia. And I 1671 01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:50,160 think that it would be if we want to truly be, you know, an 1672 01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:54,780 alternative to that it would make sense to have at least some 1673 01:48:54,780 --> 01:48:57,870 basic calls be open as well. What do you think? 1674 01:49:00,090 --> 01:49:03,480 Yeah, it's something I've thought a lot about, actually, I 1675 01:49:03,480 --> 01:49:06,840 think there's two things that are important to consider. The 1676 01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:12,360 first is that this is the way it works. Right now, in terms of, 1677 01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:16,500 you know, applying for an API key is incredibly easy. Anybody 1678 01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:19,620 could do it. So I don't think that's a barrier or blocker to 1679 01:49:19,620 --> 01:49:26,250 people using the API. But then the second thing is, I do think 1680 01:49:26,340 --> 01:49:33,420 that giving various third parties or just developers the 1681 01:49:33,420 --> 01:49:38,700 ability to add value to the index by building on it, I think 1682 01:49:38,700 --> 01:49:44,670 is really cool. And I think that it would be amazing if there 1683 01:49:44,670 --> 01:49:50,880 were more options to allow third party developers to extend the 1684 01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:55,110 index offer additional services like search is a great example. 1685 01:49:56,610 --> 01:50:00,960 Like, you know, if someone wanted to cry A project to 1686 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:05,010 extend the search so that it was more granular and had additional 1687 01:50:05,010 --> 01:50:09,210 filters or different, you know, different things of that nature. 1688 01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:13,680 I think giving developers the ability to do that would be 1689 01:50:13,710 --> 01:50:18,690 incredible. And it would make everything so much better. So 1690 01:50:18,690 --> 01:50:20,520 yeah, those are my two thoughts, I guess. 1691 01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:24,420 What are the benefits of opening the API? Dave? I'm unclear on 1692 01:50:24,420 --> 01:50:28,380 that. Because I agree with Oscar that it's not not hard to set it 1693 01:50:28,380 --> 01:50:30,060 up. You mentioned caching. 1694 01:50:32,670 --> 01:50:37,860 Yeah. So the idea would be that, you know, we were behind 1695 01:50:37,860 --> 01:50:45,990 Cloudflare. And we could benefit from Cloud flares, caching of 1696 01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:50,160 the results. That was take currently, you know, currently, 1697 01:50:50,250 --> 01:50:54,660 if you have to have an API key, you're changing the request 1698 01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:56,010 metadata, 1699 01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,800 every time every time you access it, I understand. 1700 01:50:58,830 --> 01:51:03,930 Yeah, yeah. And so it all looks to the caching proxies, as if 1701 01:51:03,930 --> 01:51:09,240 they're, they're calls that can't be that can't be cached, 1702 01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:14,460 can't be duplicated. So that that would be really the one of 1703 01:51:14,460 --> 01:51:17,400 the main things and then, you know, like, like, what, like 1704 01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:21,930 what Oscar said is cool. In here's, there's a simplicity 1705 01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:29,130 argument here, too, which is that when when people deliver 1706 01:51:29,130 --> 01:51:37,740 apps, that don't, I don't need to say this, when when when a 1707 01:51:37,740 --> 01:51:42,780 developer delivers an app to the public, they're going to have to 1708 01:51:42,780 --> 01:51:46,470 put it that doesn't use a proxy on their side. Like, if they're 1709 01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:50,130 not proxying, the calls, if they're just rolling out an app, 1710 01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:54,450 and having the app itself contact the index, then they're 1711 01:51:54,450 --> 01:51:59,250 gonna have to embed the API key anyway. So at that point, I 1712 01:51:59,250 --> 01:52:06,240 mean, the fact that you have a key is not helping much. And so 1713 01:52:06,570 --> 01:52:10,860 that's been sort of a constant piece of friction there is that 1714 01:52:10,860 --> 01:52:15,600 there's people were rolling out their keys in the app anyway. So 1715 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,170 I'm just thinking is just the simplicity thing. And, and, and, 1716 01:52:19,170 --> 01:52:23,520 hopefully, a load, it lessens the load as well. 1717 01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:28,410 Did the last time we discussed this? I do remember, there was a 1718 01:52:28,410 --> 01:52:31,590 legal aspect that needed to be looked at, but I'm not so 1719 01:52:31,590 --> 01:52:36,090 worried about it. But that's probably should just review. 1720 01:52:37,650 --> 01:52:41,610 Yeah, let me you're basically a lawyer. So you could do right? 1721 01:52:41,850 --> 01:52:46,590 Well, yes, I've been. I've not passed the bar, but I've done 1722 01:52:46,590 --> 01:52:51,390 two divorces. That helps. And green cards and a couple of 1723 01:52:51,390 --> 01:52:53,520 green cards. Yeah, I'm very proficient. 1724 01:52:54,030 --> 01:52:57,150 Yeah, you're like, literally, you're basically Legal Zoom. So 1725 01:52:57,150 --> 01:53:02,400 we can just go. I don't know. I mean, it's, I think, maybe if if 1726 01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:06,630 it's legally okay. And maybe somebody can let us know if 1727 01:53:07,170 --> 01:53:08,820 that's kind of what I'm putting it out there. So 1728 01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:12,090 you keep the call to the value block, you would still need an 1729 01:53:12,090 --> 01:53:13,560 API key, I presume? 1730 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:19,620 Initially, yeah. You know, I just don't know how it goes. 1731 01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:25,500 But really, it's a caching it's an overhead. It's a it's a scale 1732 01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:28,500 issue that you're talking about. There's no other real reason 1733 01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:29,070 than that. 1734 01:53:30,930 --> 01:53:34,680 That and just and the simplicity, the simplicity to 1735 01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:37,710 make it even easier for developers. Not that it's that 1736 01:53:37,710 --> 01:53:41,580 difficult. But, you know, I mean, there's, if you're doing 1737 01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:44,460 it through through the iTunes API, you don't you just do it. 1738 01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,890 You just call it you don't have to have an A you don't have a 1739 01:53:46,890 --> 01:53:49,110 key. Yeah, I understand. I understand. I'm assuming I'm 1740 01:53:49,110 --> 01:53:51,630 assuming that if there's a legal issue with it, then you would 1741 01:53:52,110 --> 01:53:54,480 like you don't sign it. You don't sign Terms of Service with 1742 01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:55,290 it with apples. 1743 01:53:56,039 --> 01:54:02,969 No, no, no. But it's you cannot compare Apple to us. One, 1744 01:54:03,419 --> 01:54:05,879 because if someone comes along says, Hey, Apple, I'm 1745 01:54:05,879 --> 01:54:10,649 considering suing you over this apples like? Yeah. Have you met 1746 01:54:10,649 --> 01:54:12,359 the have you met half of the building? 1747 01:54:14,670 --> 01:54:17,100 Yeah. But again, I'm bringing it 1748 01:54:17,130 --> 01:54:20,490 Yeah, I'm not that concerned about well, that doesn't really 1749 01:54:20,490 --> 01:54:24,540 seem like it matters much other than for you for scalability and 1750 01:54:25,380 --> 01:54:28,380 and for developers as well. You know what? That's where we have 1751 01:54:28,380 --> 01:54:30,450 a mastodon people will weigh in on this. 1752 01:54:30,810 --> 01:54:34,920 Yes, I want people to tell me why this is a great idea or a 1753 01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,280 bad idea, because I just don't know. Right? And that's I'm 1754 01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,540 gonna I'm not gonna bring it up again. 1755 01:54:40,590 --> 01:54:43,560 Good. Well, then we can scrap that off the list. All right. 1756 01:54:45,150 --> 01:54:51,210 Bring it up again. Ah, hey, are you are you on your summer 1757 01:54:51,210 --> 01:54:54,030 schedule? Now Dave? Do you have a Friday afternoons off or you 1758 01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:58,320 have to go back off on free and clear? Oh, nice. Nice. Well, I 1759 01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,170 do have some people showing up. So I'm gonna To wrap it up from 1760 01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:05,940 my end, Oscar, thank you so much for joining us once again. And 1761 01:55:05,940 --> 01:55:08,370 thank you for all the work you're doing. And thank you for 1762 01:55:08,670 --> 01:55:12,960 being a real leader in, in developing great experiences. 1763 01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:17,700 It's quite, it's quite exciting to watch from from arm's length. 1764 01:55:19,170 --> 01:55:21,660 Well, thank you for that, Adam. And thanks for everything you 1765 01:55:21,660 --> 01:55:24,750 guys have done. I mean, we're just following your lead. So 1766 01:55:25,530 --> 01:55:27,990 yeah, appreciate everything you're doing and we'll continue 1767 01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:31,530 to push hard to try and just build as much as we can really. 1768 01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,320 So yeah, thanks for having me on. And yeah, always good to 1769 01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:34,770 chat. 1770 01:55:35,550 --> 01:55:38,640 Yep, yeah. Congratulations on everything so far too, because 1771 01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:41,790 we've it's really fountains really turned into mature 1772 01:55:41,790 --> 01:55:44,640 products as the last time we talked. It's it's really got a 1773 01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:45,510 lot of Polish now. 1774 01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:51,780 Yeah, it was. I look back to the one we launched then. I'm very 1775 01:55:51,780 --> 01:55:54,840 embarrassed but we're getting there slowly. And if anyone 1776 01:55:54,990 --> 01:55:58,470 listening is listening on fountain any problems just 1777 01:55:58,470 --> 01:56:02,160 please email me Oscar at found endo FM. We do have a list that 1778 01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,440 we're getting to all of them. So yeah, just send me an email. 1779 01:56:04,620 --> 01:56:08,520 Thanks everybody who sent us the monthly fee or fun coupons you 1780 01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,730 can donate by going to podcast index.org Scroll down to the 1781 01:56:11,730 --> 01:56:15,360 bottom you can also send us on chain Bitcoin and of course, you 1782 01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:18,450 can boost us with a modern podcast app. You get it new 1783 01:56:18,450 --> 01:56:21,240 podcast. apps.com Thanks, everybody in the chat room. 1784 01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:23,700 Thank you for running with scissors. Thank you, Steven. B. 1785 01:56:24,030 --> 01:56:26,820 We love you man. Not if we wouldn't be doing this if it 1786 01:56:26,820 --> 01:56:31,110 wasn't for you. So don't sweat the small stuff. Especially 1787 01:56:31,110 --> 01:56:34,050 because it's just a bad look that sweaty lineup your butt 1788 01:56:34,050 --> 01:56:39,960 crack. It's just not looking good. Dave pod sage. Yeah, 1789 01:56:40,350 --> 01:56:41,970 what's up? Have a great weekend. My brother. 1790 01:56:42,540 --> 01:56:46,950 You too, man. You have a good one. No, you got you got you got 1791 01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:48,990 when do you what night do you do Tina in the keepers that 1792 01:56:49,050 --> 01:56:52,980 we just did. We just did one on Tuesday. Correct? Correct. Yeah. 1793 01:56:53,010 --> 01:57:00,270 Oh, yeah. This is a top show brother. Said hey, we'll do 1794 01:57:00,270 --> 01:57:02,640 alright everybody. Thank you so much for checking out the board 1795 01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,790 meeting. We'll be back again Friday with another excellent 1796 01:57:05,790 --> 01:57:08,730 meeting of the mind here for podcasting. 2.0 Have a great 1797 01:57:08,730 --> 01:57:09,420 weekend. Bye bye. 1798 01:57:25,170 --> 01:57:29,700 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast 1799 01:57:29,700 --> 01:57:32,280 index.org. For more information