Episode 84: All Aboard to On-Board!

100:00:00,780 --> 00:00:05,910podcasting 2.0 for May 6 2020,to Episode 84 All aboard to200:00:05,910 --> 00:00:11,340onboard that's exactly whatwe'll be talking about today.300:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,420Onboarding podcasting 2.0 Helloeverybody welcome to the400:00:15,420 --> 00:00:18,210official board meeting ofpodcasting 2.0 every single500:00:18,210 --> 00:00:23,820week, the pod sage and myself.We break it all down, tried to600:00:23,820 --> 00:00:26,700give you a report on what'shappening with podcasting 2.0700:00:26,940 --> 00:00:30,660with the podcast standards, thenew namespace and of course800:00:30,660 --> 00:00:34,560everything happening at podcastindex dot social. I'm Adam curry900:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,260here in the heart of the TexasHill Country and in Alabama. My1000:00:37,260 --> 00:00:40,770partner in crime the man so wisethey name him sage ladies and1100:00:40,770 --> 00:00:44,520gentlemen, my friend on theother end Mr. Dave Jones.1200:00:45,570 --> 00:00:51,720Alexander's Sultan Knutson. Yes,that's the guy with the hardest1300:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,280to spill name. In the historyof, of people.1400:00:56,430 --> 00:01:00,480Yes. Yes. Why do I know thisname? What do I know this guy1500:01:00,480 --> 00:01:00,870from?1600:01:01,170 --> 00:01:04,620Yeah, he's the the Sovietdissident.1700:01:04,710 --> 00:01:07,140Yeah, okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah,I've1800:01:07,140 --> 00:01:11,580been reading his speech that hedelivered at Harvard, like the1900:01:11,580 --> 00:01:17,850Harvard commencement speech. Andit's quite good. Just happened2000:01:17,850 --> 00:01:22,200to be sitting on my desk. And soI remember to remember that I've2100:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,960tried to type his name 17 timesthis week and never gotten it2200:01:24,960 --> 00:01:25,680right a single time.2300:01:25,740 --> 00:01:29,490And was there anything relevantto podcasting? 2.0 was Alexander2400:01:29,490 --> 00:01:33,450and his his writings? Absolutelynot. Oh, good. Oh, good. At2500:01:33,450 --> 00:01:36,930least we know, we're startingoff on a good foot. Hey, man,2600:01:36,960 --> 00:01:42,480onboarding is it this week?Okay, crazy, crazy onboarding.2700:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,630For me personally, at least. Thefirst, though, there's the first2800:01:48,630 --> 00:01:54,870one is a show from theNetherlands called the ensign2900:01:54,870 --> 00:02:00,690show. It loosely translated tothe Jenson show. And this is a3000:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,020it's a podcast. He also has avideo version. But he puts it3100:02:04,020 --> 00:02:10,800was podcast first. Then he stillkind of audio first. And he's3200:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,000I've known him for 25 years fromthe Netherlands. And he was very3300:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,050had a couple of very successfultelevision shows. He he ran3400:02:19,050 --> 00:02:25,590radio stations did morning showsvery kind of by himself in his3500:02:25,590 --> 00:02:28,410own little stratosphere. Andalso new people don't know a lot3600:02:28,410 --> 00:02:33,480about him. You know, it's kindof a typical for DJ,3700:02:34,049 --> 00:02:36,809that he was a DJ, he wasn't likemanagement or whatever. No, no,3800:02:36,809 --> 00:02:37,649he was a DJ. But3900:02:37,649 --> 00:02:41,309he also did run radio, the radiostations, and now that's all all4000:02:41,309 --> 00:02:45,419DJs eventually do that and thenhate it. Like, Hey, man, I can4100:02:45,419 --> 00:02:48,389run this thing better than theMD or the PD. And then you run4200:02:48,389 --> 00:02:50,939it like, and everyone hates you.And like, Screw it. I don't want4300:02:50,939 --> 00:02:54,209to do this. But he also did anumber of talk shows, and I've4400:02:54,209 --> 00:02:57,029been on his talk show manytimes, always funny. But I mean,4500:02:57,029 --> 00:02:59,999the guy is hilarious. He did awhole that he did a very4600:02:59,999 --> 00:03:03,509controversial series, which NLproduces all this stuff himself,4700:03:03,509 --> 00:03:08,909his shows everything, he alwaysproduces himself. In 2015, he4800:03:08,939 --> 00:03:11,939came to the States and went allacross America talking about4900:03:12,029 --> 00:03:14,789Trump and trying to understandwhere it was coming from. So he5000:03:14,789 --> 00:03:19,529came to see me in Austin aswell. Anyway, when he after5100:03:19,529 --> 00:03:23,699that, he started yet anothertalk show. And it was a more5200:03:23,699 --> 00:03:28,289conservative tent, conservativeguests. You know, they don't5300:03:28,289 --> 00:03:31,109really have Republicans andDemocrats in the Netherlands,5400:03:31,109 --> 00:03:33,809you have multiple parties, butfor sure, it's a socialist5500:03:33,809 --> 00:03:36,929country. So it's very, it's leftleaning and the media is, is5600:03:36,929 --> 00:03:40,409just this, there's no room foranything else. And so, and it5700:03:40,409 --> 00:03:44,789was very, it was very muchdiscussed, you know, the ratings5800:03:44,789 --> 00:03:47,879weren't super huge. They kind ofput it in a weird time slot on a5900:03:47,879 --> 00:03:51,689weird station, you know, betweenyou 68 And you 70 There you are,6000:03:51,689 --> 00:03:55,319there's there's your signal. Andso he eventually said6100:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,310like UHF Yeah.6200:03:58,230 --> 00:04:02,610As an analogy, but his time slotwas no good. And so he said,6300:04:02,610 --> 00:04:05,340Screw this screw the mainstreammedia and he started his own6400:04:05,340 --> 00:04:09,000podcast and I talked to him forquite a lot. This was during6500:04:09,030 --> 00:04:12,300Friday around the pandemicstarting and I explained value6600:04:12,300 --> 00:04:15,990for value and so he started withvalue for value and he never6700:04:15,990 --> 00:04:21,120looked back. And but and a lotof it was he does focus a lot on6800:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,840video and you know, so he, hesaw what was happening YouTube6900:04:24,840 --> 00:04:28,410was starting to shadow ban himso he pulled everything off you7000:04:28,410 --> 00:04:34,110to put up his own stuff on hisown server was still doing the7100:04:34,110 --> 00:04:40,980podcast as a companion. And thenSpotify kicked him off Spotify7200:04:41,010 --> 00:04:46,290and unbeknownst to me, he wasusing anchor as his host to7300:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,610retro so they deleted his feeddeleted all the files done and I7400:04:50,610 --> 00:04:53,910noticed this because I know hedoes like three Shows a week and7500:04:54,150 --> 00:04:56,430three or four and especiallydelete7600:04:56,430 --> 00:05:00,210so he got deleted, deletedactually deeply. Yeah, clearly A7700:05:00,300 --> 00:05:04,800clearly a Russian disinformationYes,7800:05:04,830 --> 00:05:07,770obviously, yes. Oh, carryingwater for Putin. Oh, there was7900:05:07,950 --> 00:05:10,380when he was doing that podcastIt was when he just started was8000:05:10,380 --> 00:05:13,770very controversial. There waseven a news article that the8100:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,700army had been investigating forsome reason that military8200:05:17,850 --> 00:05:21,090division of the government hadbeen investigating his podcast,8300:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,790God Almighty. So he's one of us,Dave, he's, he's a pirate, you8400:05:26,790 --> 00:05:33,450know, he gets it. He's a greatprogram, producer. And so he got8500:05:33,450 --> 00:05:36,060completely deleted. And Inoticed because I was like, Hey,8600:05:36,060 --> 00:05:38,220where's the show? I don't seethe show. And then I go to his8700:05:38,220 --> 00:05:41,820website. And I see there's beentwo episodes since I haven't8800:05:41,820 --> 00:05:44,460gotten an update. And I figurepretty quickly Oh, all right. So8900:05:44,460 --> 00:05:47,280I see what's happening. And thensomeone people started pinging9000:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,940me on actually interesting onpodcast, index dot social, which9100:05:50,940 --> 00:05:56,130seems to be more active thanTwitter for me. And so I call9200:05:56,130 --> 00:05:58,440him up and say, bro, what'sgoing on explains the story. So9300:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,200what we need to immediately getyou go and see what the problem9400:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,350is, I can't go with a hostingcompany, because they cut off9500:06:04,350 --> 00:06:07,470the hosting, you know, it'slike, and what am I going to do,9600:06:07,470 --> 00:06:10,710and I need, you know, we have aserver. And he has, he has that9700:06:10,710 --> 00:06:13,410he has all set up for his videofiles and everything. So he has9800:06:13,410 --> 00:06:16,650that cost under control. Andhe's has a partnership with a9900:06:16,650 --> 00:06:19,080company he trust. And there area lot of cool people and10000:06:19,260 --> 00:06:21,150certainly in the Netherlandsthat you can trust with your10100:06:21,150 --> 00:06:25,080bandwidth and your server. Seeno agenda also running from10200:06:25,980 --> 00:06:29,610basically avoid zero running itfrom the northern part of10300:06:29,610 --> 00:06:34,410Holland. And I say, well, thenwe'll we're going to set you up10400:06:34,410 --> 00:06:37,230right now we're going to do you2.0 all the way and I say you're10500:06:37,230 --> 00:06:38,670going to use sovereign feeds.10600:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,570Yeah, for you onboard somebodyto write to10700:06:42,570 --> 00:06:48,060sovereign feeds you bet. And sohe does have one, one guy who10800:06:48,060 --> 00:06:50,850does all of the kind of themechanics of the production, so10900:06:50,850 --> 00:06:54,240I work with him. And it wasreally interesting to see11000:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,330someone go from a completelymanaged solution, which an11100:06:57,330 --> 00:07:00,780anchor is pretty good for, youknow, the interface the UX is11200:07:00,780 --> 00:07:07,350understandable to go to that tosovereign feed. And, you know, I11300:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,220struggle a little bit with okay,what is all this stuff, this is11400:07:11,220 --> 00:07:14,850new to me. He didn't he didn'tfill out the goods. So that11500:07:14,880 --> 00:07:21,480would that was an issue uponingesting. He did. And pod Ping11600:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,300was it was very, he sent mesomething wasn't working was11700:07:24,300 --> 00:07:27,150actually a bug, which we trackeddown pretty quick thanks to11800:07:27,150 --> 00:07:34,050Steven. And he sent me a screenrecording of what he was doing11900:07:34,050 --> 00:07:37,080with POD ping. And it was reallyinteresting, you know, the12000:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,500disconnect. This is so obvious,you know, he's so he would hit12100:07:40,500 --> 00:07:45,480save, hit pod ping, then hitCreate RSS. And then upload it.12200:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,930So you're completely the wrongsequence of backwards? Yeah, so12300:07:49,050 --> 00:07:51,750all of the it's just fascinatingto watch. Now, of course, I12400:07:51,900 --> 00:07:55,380explained it to him walk themthrough it. And but the12500:07:55,500 --> 00:08:00,180conversely the oh, wow factor,when he said, Oh, shit, it's12600:08:00,180 --> 00:08:03,870already in the index. That's it.Yeah. Grab one of these apps. He12700:08:03,870 --> 00:08:07,020said, Oh, my God, this is reallycool. I don't have to, like,12800:08:07,620 --> 00:08:11,070talk to all these fucking appsand get them to add my my shows12900:08:11,070 --> 00:08:11,580and Nope.13000:08:12,690 --> 00:08:16,170Yeah, you don't have to wait.You don't have to wait and cross13100:08:16,170 --> 00:08:16,680your fingers13200:08:16,710 --> 00:08:19,950or register, you know, register,like, you know, like you do with13300:08:19,950 --> 00:08:23,640Apple. And it says, So, are weon Apple? So no, absolutely not.13400:08:23,670 --> 00:08:26,670But you can resubmit to Apple orpeople can add it manually.13500:08:26,700 --> 00:08:31,050Okay. And this is great. This isthis is this is more what I want13600:08:31,050 --> 00:08:35,100is this is this is likepirating. This is cool. Does,13700:08:35,130 --> 00:08:37,560and he's bringing in a quite alarge audience several million.13800:08:38,340 --> 00:08:43,590Oh, wow. He's big. He's very,very big. And, and, you know,13900:08:43,740 --> 00:08:46,650once this is kind of stable, sothey've had to recreate it put14000:08:46,650 --> 00:08:50,880in four episodes in their feedonce a stable, and you know,14100:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,080they have their update process,because, you know, they actually14200:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,720want to talk to Steven aboutputting in a web hook or14300:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,050something to upload to theirserver. And so I'll connect all14400:09:01,050 --> 00:09:03,570that when the time is due. Thisis this is what I've been hoping14500:09:03,570 --> 00:09:06,390would happen. Yeah, that's aneat idea, you know, or FTP,14600:09:06,390 --> 00:09:09,240even for all our SFTP, whatever,whatever you use.14700:09:10,950 --> 00:09:15,090So they sound like they kind ofknow, maybe not know what14800:09:15,090 --> 00:09:17,940they're doing as far as far asRSS goes, but they have the14900:09:17,940 --> 00:09:19,380technical know how to get itdone.15000:09:19,410 --> 00:09:24,930Yes, exactly. And the drive thedrive, the motivation is there.15100:09:25,050 --> 00:09:29,520Yeah. So it but it was really anissue, for me a very enjoyable15200:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,570process to go through and to seesomeone who really was in dire15300:09:33,570 --> 00:09:37,080straits and was saying, Hey, I'mnot quite sure what to do here.15400:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,990And you know, I got the videostuff under control, but I don't15500:09:39,990 --> 00:09:46,530know how to get into thesepodcast apps. And so next is, as15600:09:46,530 --> 00:09:49,140I said, once we stabilize thenit's going to be value for15700:09:49,140 --> 00:09:54,090value. And now here's what Iliked a lot because that those15800:09:54,090 --> 00:10:00,450two things is is what they knewabout me. The index You know,15900:10:00,570 --> 00:10:04,440it's where you go where youcan't be canceled. And then the16000:10:07,500 --> 00:10:12,240censorship resistant paymentmechanism that is built into it.16100:10:12,780 --> 00:10:17,250Right? What was interesting, hesays, Hey, how do I do this16200:10:17,250 --> 00:10:25,650chapter thing? You see what I'msaying? You onboard someone with16300:10:25,650 --> 00:10:28,260something that's really obviousto them, even though they have16400:10:28,260 --> 00:10:31,980no idea how it works. And thenthey are exposed to all these16500:10:31,980 --> 00:10:33,030other features.16600:10:33,990 --> 00:10:37,380It looks like that, that's,that's what you would call a16700:10:37,380 --> 00:10:39,690call in the business crossselling.16800:10:41,310 --> 00:10:45,150My point is, look how manypeople we've on boarded with16900:10:45,150 --> 00:10:49,680value for value who, you know,if you use any of our apps,17000:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,810almost any of them have valuefor value. They also have17100:10:51,810 --> 00:10:55,320chapters, many have transcripts,you have a lot of these these17200:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,780namespace features are availablein them. And my point is, as as17300:11:00,780 --> 00:11:04,350production people, they justwant to get up and running.17400:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,230Okay, so what you know over thatvalue thing that's we're going17500:11:07,230 --> 00:11:10,050to work on next. Okay, what isthis chapters? How do I do that?17600:11:11,580 --> 00:11:16,500Okay, stop the show. Stop theshow. Yes. Stop show that the17700:11:16,530 --> 00:11:17,610our feed is broken.17800:11:18,930 --> 00:11:20,640Our feed is broken. Yes. Do17900:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,390you know about this?18000:11:21,420 --> 00:11:25,020No. What did I updated it whatis broken about it?18100:11:25,650 --> 00:11:29,520You I think you're gonna have togo back to sovereign feeds. Yes.18200:11:30,270 --> 00:11:34,830And unlike save it again orwhatever, it publish it again.18300:11:34,830 --> 00:11:39,180Or however that works. Becauseit's, I'm looking at is broken.18400:11:39,180 --> 00:11:42,960It says error on line 45 atcolumn eight start tagging valid18500:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,570element name. And then Oh, I seeit to even be said he introduced18600:11:48,570 --> 00:11:50,220a bug and he just did a coderevert.18700:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,920Oh, okay. Well, good. So but Ihave to Okay, hold on a second.18800:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,140Revert. He did a code. Okay.There's something I need to18900:12:01,140 --> 00:12:02,070teach people.19000:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,880You don't let me I'm gonna19100:12:06,390 --> 00:12:09,390don't do it right before theshow. Don't do it before the19200:12:09,390 --> 00:12:13,380show during the show. This isall not so I have to reload the19300:12:13,380 --> 00:12:19,380page. Right. So this is not thisis not good. Don't do that.19400:12:19,380 --> 00:12:22,920Okay, hold on a second. Hello,everybody. You just now19500:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,930Saturday. Welcome back to theshow.19600:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,980Stephen bases, man, my buttcrack is sweaty.19700:12:30,540 --> 00:12:35,370We just spent I don't know 20minutes on, on trying to we were19800:12:35,370 --> 00:12:39,030running with scissors and E upso once I got poked out.19900:12:39,540 --> 00:12:43,230Oh, yeah. I fell down in thewinter straight through the fee.20000:12:43,410 --> 00:12:46,020And I love that I was justpontificating about the20100:12:46,020 --> 00:12:51,000onboarding process. This is sofantastic. This kicks ass. Let's20200:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,400bring in our guests into theboardroom who's been waiting20300:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,420very patiently for the for thepast. What are we now well, for20400:12:57,420 --> 00:13:03,300quite a while. fits perfectlywith this onboarding a theme for20500:13:03,300 --> 00:13:09,660today that please welcome thefounder, creator of head honcho.20600:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,400All round. Nice guy forfountain.fm. Ladies and20700:13:14,400 --> 00:13:21,780gentlemen, Mr. Oscar Mary. Whois muted? Who has muted him.20800:13:21,780 --> 00:13:23,340There you go. Hello, Oscar.20900:13:23,730 --> 00:13:25,440Hey, Dave, how's it going?21000:13:25,500 --> 00:13:29,160Oh, good. Just Just to add tothe malaise now now you have a21100:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,390crappy connection. Yeah. Oh, itjust cleared up. cleared up.21200:13:33,390 --> 00:13:35,670Come closer to the mic, myfriend. Come on in. Can you hear21300:13:35,670 --> 00:13:40,290me? Yeah, she's got it. Youmight want to reconnect Oscar. I21400:13:40,290 --> 00:13:44,130hate to say it, but you help me.Yeah, you've got some kind of21500:13:44,490 --> 00:13:47,880Robocop thing going on. There wego. Hey, Dave, this is great.21600:13:47,910 --> 00:13:51,510Welcome. Welcome to the future.Hey, guys. There you go. Hey,21700:13:51,510 --> 00:13:53,910Oscar. How you doing? Yeah, muchbetter. Yeah,21800:13:53,970 --> 00:13:56,160I'm good. I'm good. How are youguys doing?21900:13:56,190 --> 00:13:59,100Yeah, we're good. Sorry aboutthis malaise that we put you22000:13:59,100 --> 00:13:59,550through?22100:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,070Oh, no, that's all good. Youknow what's funny, I was just22200:14:02,070 --> 00:14:06,060thinking, while all of that washappening about the first week22300:14:06,090 --> 00:14:10,020that we actually launchedfountain. And I remember because22400:14:10,020 --> 00:14:14,010something very similar happened,which at the time just was so22500:14:14,040 --> 00:14:20,010awful for me, which was wesubmitted the app to Apple. And22600:14:20,550 --> 00:14:24,510I think you very kindly talkedabout founding on no agenda for22700:14:24,510 --> 00:14:28,890the first time. Yeah. And justbefore you did that, we22800:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,650submitted a new version toApple, which had a bug in it. I22900:14:34,650 --> 00:14:39,810remember, it didn't allow anyoneto send a boost. And it was just23000:14:39,810 --> 00:14:43,830so gutting the day that you weretalking about us for the first23100:14:43,830 --> 00:14:48,510time. We'd broken the entireapp, so yeah, it's very painful.23200:14:49,290 --> 00:14:49,950Get through23300:14:50,010 --> 00:14:54,030Yes. Well, don't worry. Therewill be many more times I can I23400:14:54,030 --> 00:14:59,970can promote the app for sure.Oscar man, it's you know, the23500:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,850Before we start talking aboutanything I want to say it was23600:15:02,850 --> 00:15:06,300really nice hooking up with youat the, at the Bitcoin23700:15:06,300 --> 00:15:07,800Conference which you came infor.23800:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,670Yeah, it was great to meet youto shame. Dave, you couldn't be23900:15:11,670 --> 00:15:14,880there. But it's always so goodto meet people in person, and24000:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,790especially being over here inthe UK, it doesn't happen too24100:15:17,790 --> 00:15:20,010often. So yeah, hopefully we cando it again. So24200:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,630did you do? What what did youlearn? Did you connect with any24300:15:24,630 --> 00:15:27,420people was any business to bedone? I mean, how was that24400:15:27,420 --> 00:15:29,550conference for you? Yeah, it24500:15:29,550 --> 00:15:32,400was great. I mean, the mainthing was just to meet people,24600:15:32,490 --> 00:15:36,600for the first time, I feel likeover the past year, every single24700:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,260person that we've interactedwith has been over a call. So it24800:15:40,260 --> 00:15:44,310was just good to meet people inperson, meet podcasters a lot of24900:15:44,310 --> 00:15:47,070the Bitcoin podcasters, wemanaged to have good25000:15:47,070 --> 00:15:50,790conversations with, and alsojust meet our users, you know,25100:15:50,790 --> 00:15:54,960meet people that were using theapp every day. And it's always,25200:15:55,170 --> 00:15:58,590you know, we get a lot of bugreports. And that's a big part25300:15:58,590 --> 00:16:00,930of talking to users. But it'snice when you're just talking to25400:16:00,930 --> 00:16:03,660someone randomly at aconference. And they say, oh,25500:16:03,660 --> 00:16:06,750yeah, I use fountain use everyday, like good jobs. Is that25600:16:06,750 --> 00:16:09,630nice? Yeah, that feels reallygood. It feels really good.25700:16:09,630 --> 00:16:12,510Yeah. So yeah, it was greatconference and learn a lot,25800:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,040especially around the custodialversus non custodial Bitcoin25900:16:17,070 --> 00:16:21,510problem, which, you know, Ithink we're all managing to fly26000:16:21,510 --> 00:16:23,610under the radar a little bitright now, but we're all gonna26100:16:23,610 --> 00:16:28,410have to deal with eventuallylooks like, it looks like, by it26200:16:28,410 --> 00:16:31,620looks like there's a lot ofstuff coming down the pipeline,26300:16:31,620 --> 00:16:35,130that's gonna really help andprovide the tools that we need.26400:16:35,130 --> 00:16:36,060So I'm really optimistic.26500:16:36,090 --> 00:16:40,680Definitely. And it's nice to seethat. So we have LNC, formerly26600:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,720known as C lightning, they'recoming up with a solution. ln26700:16:45,780 --> 00:16:49,890Jesse Atlanta, I'm sorry. Thebreeze will be is working with26800:16:49,890 --> 00:16:54,240them. Voltage has, has releaseda lot of details about you know,26900:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,890their cloud based noncustodialservice. I mean, the promise27000:16:58,890 --> 00:17:01,470that I've that I've gotten is,Oh, it'll be just like Gmail27100:17:01,470 --> 00:17:05,130without the snooping, but theGmail ease have, boom, you fired27200:17:05,130 --> 00:17:07,470up, there's your wallet, here'syour keys, lose them, you're27300:17:07,470 --> 00:17:11,880screwed. And that's it. It's,you know, and then of course,27400:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,990you'll, you'll pay for that infees from the lightning service27500:17:15,990 --> 00:17:19,410provider, which makes totalsense. So I think that's coming27600:17:19,710 --> 00:17:22,140a lot sooner than than later.27700:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,639Yeah, exactly. Really lookingforward to that because27800:17:26,669 --> 00:17:31,499ultimately, people do want thatnoncustodial experience. But27900:17:31,499 --> 00:17:35,159right now, the onboarding forthat kind of thing is a bit too28000:17:35,159 --> 00:17:36,449difficult for most people.28100:17:36,689 --> 00:17:40,709What what surprised so I want toplay a clip. You may have seen28200:17:40,709 --> 00:17:45,059it. It's from the one of themost recent Joe Rogan episodes28300:17:45,059 --> 00:17:50,429and he has Khalil Rountree wasan MMA fighter and he's on the28400:17:50,429 --> 00:17:55,019show and he went to the Bitcoin2022 conference. And his28500:17:55,049 --> 00:17:59,669experience was to me personallyso beautiful, what what he28600:17:59,669 --> 00:18:07,259learned about Bitcoin and aboutpodcasting 2.0 That it, I think28700:18:07,259 --> 00:18:11,999it really showed that there's,there's a huge audience and this28800:18:11,999 --> 00:18:15,539is why I guess I was sayingearlier, that when someone comes28900:18:15,539 --> 00:18:21,149in, and they come in for, youknow, an app that that is that29000:18:21,179 --> 00:18:25,109retrieves data from the index,they come in maybe four or29100:18:25,109 --> 00:18:27,899possibly four value for valuestreaming payments, and they see29200:18:27,899 --> 00:18:30,749all these other things that arepossible. So it to me it's a29300:18:30,749 --> 00:18:33,839great onboarding avenue foreverything. And if someone comes29400:18:33,839 --> 00:18:36,779in for chapters and sees valuefor value, that's awesome too.29500:18:37,349 --> 00:18:41,279And I said the word awesome.Listen to this little bit from29600:18:41,279 --> 00:18:43,769the extra about two and a halfminutes from the Joe Rogan show.29700:18:43,830 --> 00:18:48,270I went to the Bitcoin Conferencein Miami this year, and just got29800:18:48,270 --> 00:18:53,160to see and hear some reallyreally cool things and the29900:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,660people who are like pioneeringthis and and really believe in30000:18:57,660 --> 00:19:00,990in, in Bitcoin, specifically notjust like the whole world of30100:19:00,990 --> 00:19:04,470cryptocurrency, but Bitcoinitself. I haven't been excited30200:19:04,470 --> 00:19:06,630about something like this in areally long time. And I'm not a30300:19:06,630 --> 00:19:11,010finance guy. I'm not a guy whogrew up knowing about, you know,30400:19:11,010 --> 00:19:14,850financial systems and networksand stock markets or anything30500:19:14,850 --> 00:19:18,510and now I'm finally at a pointwhere I'm starting to be able30600:19:18,510 --> 00:19:23,820to, like see a future for myselfand also a way to like, people30700:19:23,820 --> 00:19:28,770like me don't really have likegenerational wealth right? And I30800:19:28,770 --> 00:19:31,920don't understand I don't seehow, you know, I can really30900:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,130create that through fightingalone. So lately I've just been31000:19:35,130 --> 00:19:38,820trying to understand more oflike, the advancement of31100:19:38,820 --> 00:19:41,910technology and kind of wherewe're headed from like a from31200:19:41,910 --> 00:19:45,600like a currency and like moneystandpoint, there's like a small31300:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,360fraction where I'm like, Okay, Isee how this works, but then31400:19:48,390 --> 00:19:55,110trying to uncover and like, divemore into the whole system of31500:19:55,140 --> 00:19:59,100how this can be implemented intojust like daily society. I'm31600:19:59,100 --> 00:20:02,100seeing more and more Apossibility, and it's making me31700:20:02,100 --> 00:20:05,520more and more secure on Hey,man, I can actually finally have31800:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,470something that I own. That'smine. It's like, whatever I earn31900:20:10,830 --> 00:20:15,030is going to be mine and youcan't touch it. No one can touch32000:20:15,030 --> 00:20:19,860it every from. And there's a guyAdam Curry who Thank you, buddy,32100:20:19,860 --> 00:20:25,290man. Yeah, you know, like thepodcast index like his now32200:20:25,290 --> 00:20:29,400they've created this thing whereyou if you want to have your own32300:20:29,460 --> 00:20:33,510platform, and not worry aboutbeing taken down or censored or32400:20:33,510 --> 00:20:37,170whatever, and you can also getpaid in Satoshis, which are32500:20:37,170 --> 00:20:41,640fractions of a Bitcoin from thesupporters so you can stream32600:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,210your set, you don't have to buybitcoin, you can create a32700:20:45,210 --> 00:20:48,300platform where he Hey, I'mspeaking, if I wanted to start32800:20:48,300 --> 00:20:50,280wondering, I'm like, you know, Idon't have the money to actually32900:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,760buy bitcoin. But I do have a lotof stuff that I want to talk33000:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,300about, subscribe to my podcast.And then my fans and my33100:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,420followers are streaming into meSatoshis just like they would on33200:21:00,420 --> 00:21:04,110Instagram like likes, right? Youget I'm saying so likes and33300:21:04,110 --> 00:21:06,900replays. And all that stuff isalso a currency that people33400:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,810don't really look at it thatway. But like, yeah, a lot of33500:21:09,810 --> 00:21:12,240these, a lot of these, likecompanies that want to do33600:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,460business with me, it's like, oh,how many followers do you have?33700:21:14,610 --> 00:21:16,650What's your Twitter engagement?What's your Instagram33800:21:16,650 --> 00:21:20,370engagement? All this video onlygot 70,000 plays, that's a form33900:21:20,370 --> 00:21:24,330of currency. Because that's likelooked at as, you know, my value34000:21:24,330 --> 00:21:27,210and my worth on whether or notyou're gonna work with me or34100:21:27,210 --> 00:21:27,420not.34200:21:28,020 --> 00:21:32,910I thought this was a phenomenalanalogy at the end there with34300:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,610Satoshis and likes, and followsand stuff like that. I was blown34400:21:38,610 --> 00:21:40,410away by how perceptive that is.34500:21:41,310 --> 00:21:46,680Yeah, that that was a big thingfor me when he talked about the34600:21:46,710 --> 00:21:49,590likes and all that all thatstuff against the ecosystem as34700:21:49,590 --> 00:21:51,810currency because I've neverreally thought about it like34800:21:51,990 --> 00:21:57,030that before. And no, I mean, itis, it's a currency that doesn't34900:21:57,030 --> 00:22:00,630have like, it has a socialvalue, but it doesn't have well,35000:22:00,630 --> 00:22:02,220you can have a monetary value.35100:22:02,220 --> 00:22:05,910What he was saying is that forhim in the advertising world, in35200:22:05,910 --> 00:22:09,870the sponsorship world, that'scurrency, okay, you have this35300:22:09,870 --> 00:22:13,440many followers, this many likeson these videos. So you know,35400:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,280you're worth this much to us topromote our product, the the35500:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,860inverse, or the reverse of that,or the other side of that is35600:22:19,860 --> 00:22:23,970podcasting. 2.0, where thoselikes are actually money. So you35700:22:23,970 --> 00:22:26,520don't have to you don't have toadd the sponsorship part in.35800:22:27,060 --> 00:22:29,400Let's see, I think that like, ifyou go back to something that35900:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,510Cridland said a long time ago,and at the time, at the time,36000:22:33,810 --> 00:22:37,050and I'm not sure how he meantit, necessarily, but I think I36100:22:37,050 --> 00:22:41,160understand. I think I understandthe concept a little bit better36200:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,790now. Or I'm able to sort ofadapt it to this concept. After36300:22:44,790 --> 00:22:48,630hearing that, that he he wascalling. He kept saying that you36400:22:49,230 --> 00:22:52,170it's easier to talk to people ifyou talk about an internet token36500:22:52,170 --> 00:22:54,990rather than a real Bitcoin or aSatoshi you're36600:22:55,169 --> 00:22:58,619right, right, right. Yes, I doremember that. Yeah. And I36700:22:58,620 --> 00:23:02,790can see that this sort of fitsthat framework, it's, I mean,36800:23:02,820 --> 00:23:05,610still, ultimately, eventually,you'll have to know what's going36900:23:05,610 --> 00:23:10,200on underneath, you know, but,but there's there is the sense37000:23:10,230 --> 00:23:13,380that you have a, like, a,there's a, there's a37100:23:13,380 --> 00:23:17,250representation of some sort ofvalue there. And, and it's37200:23:17,250 --> 00:23:21,390always been there. And peopleunderstand that there's value in37300:23:21,660 --> 00:23:25,260whatever this number representson on in a digital way on the37400:23:25,260 --> 00:23:29,640internet. And now Now we've justattached actual, you go37500:23:29,640 --> 00:23:35,280underneath it, detach thesocial, you know, achiness and37600:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,690swath, attach real real realmoney, value, your real money,37700:23:39,690 --> 00:23:41,250and now you've kind of changedthe game.37800:23:42,300 --> 00:23:46,230It's, that was just astonishingto me. And you know, I think the37900:23:46,260 --> 00:23:51,390app coming closest tounderstanding this, even though38000:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,320the launch of the feature wassomewhat controversial is indeed38100:23:55,350 --> 00:23:57,990fountain. So Oscar, yourthoughts?38200:23:59,460 --> 00:24:02,880Do you mean in terms of thepodcast, the onboarding or the38300:24:02,910 --> 00:24:05,670club? Yeah, I'm I'm actuallyvery, very interested in that38400:24:05,670 --> 00:24:10,440part is? Well, so one is justthe value of such Do you feel38500:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,640that people are seeingdisconnecting? When they're when38600:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,040they're boosting boostergrabbing, commenting? Are they38700:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,850disconnecting from the value andseeing it more as point tokens,38800:24:20,850 --> 00:24:27,540likes, etc? Does the podcasterfeel the same way? Does that38900:24:27,540 --> 00:24:28,320make any sense?39000:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,070Yeah, no, that makes sense. Iactually think that the fact39100:24:32,070 --> 00:24:37,500that it's money and that there'svalue attached to it is really39200:24:37,500 --> 00:24:41,100important. And I think listenersknow that I think podcasters39300:24:41,100 --> 00:24:44,790know that. And that's what makesthe experience so much more39400:24:44,790 --> 00:24:49,590powerful. If you comparereceiving a comment on something39500:24:49,590 --> 00:24:53,700like YouTube or a tweet, youknow, having that those exact39600:24:53,700 --> 00:24:58,500same words, but tied to realvalue and money, even if it's39700:24:58,500 --> 00:25:02,430not a large amount. I think it'sa very different thing. And I39800:25:02,430 --> 00:25:07,500think that's why listeners enjoysending boosts and sending that39900:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,990value. And that's why Ipodcasters like receiving them,40000:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,070even if it's not that much atthe moment. So I think that the40100:25:14,070 --> 00:25:18,300money, part of it is reallyimportant. One thing I do think,40200:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,220though, is whether in thefuture, it's always labeled as40300:25:23,220 --> 00:25:27,780Bitcoin or whether we just giveusers the ability to toggle into40400:25:27,780 --> 00:25:30,330whatever currency they choose.Obviously, we'll still use40500:25:30,330 --> 00:25:36,060Bitcoin as the payment systembut I think some users are still40600:25:36,090 --> 00:25:38,820potentially put off by the factthat it's Bitcoin obviously40700:25:38,820 --> 00:25:40,950we're not no I'm40800:25:40,950 --> 00:25:44,760off give me like a translator. Ithink curio curio Castro has40900:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,880that. Although I prefer like awallet where you can see both,41000:25:47,910 --> 00:25:52,290you know, it's like, I likeseeing Satoshis big number and41100:25:52,290 --> 00:25:55,140then underneath underneath itlittle I like to see $1 value.41200:25:56,130 --> 00:25:58,560Yeah, exactly. I think that'sthe way to go.41300:25:58,950 --> 00:26:03,510I think that makes total sense.A lot of people can't do the41400:26:03,510 --> 00:26:05,610conversion don't know theconversion aren't interested in41500:26:05,610 --> 00:26:09,690the conversion, don't doconversions. And And if41600:26:09,690 --> 00:26:16,080anything, I was sending a 5000stat boost to I think it was new41700:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,110media show. And, and in curiocaster it says this is $1.81 I41800:26:22,110 --> 00:26:24,720thought curry or Stingy bitch,man.41900:26:25,320 --> 00:26:33,270Shit, yeah, that's both ways.Sometimes you will send a42000:26:33,270 --> 00:26:36,240massive boost, and you won'trealize how much you're actually42100:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,780paying in in dollars or yourlocal currency. But then, other42200:26:39,780 --> 00:26:43,620times, you'll send 1000s of SATsand then you'll forget that42300:26:43,620 --> 00:26:46,920actually, okay, that's not thatmuch. So it will be interesting42400:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,120to have the option of both andcompare which one needs to Yeah,42500:26:51,150 --> 00:26:52,890more income for the podcaster.42600:26:53,010 --> 00:26:54,930How was how was I'm sorry, goahead.42700:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,360No, I was just gonna say, Yeah,I've done I've done that in both42800:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,350directions as well. And I've didthat with intergalactic boombox42900:27:01,350 --> 00:27:04,650to call a bear the other day,he's like, he read, he read it43000:27:04,650 --> 00:27:08,430out on the show. I forget what Isent him like a, I don't know,43100:27:09,630 --> 00:27:11,730the 2000s that has some what hewants43200:27:11,730 --> 00:27:15,51012. Of course, we know it was2112. And then he43300:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,360so he reads out my message onthe show. And he says that's43400:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,150about 80 cents. And I was like,Oh,43500:27:21,270 --> 00:27:25,320don't you feel like I feel thatalready. So I43600:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,530immediately boosted him, youknow, 12,000 says, okay, all43700:27:28,530 --> 00:27:29,820right, we're gonna make up forthis. But43800:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,850there's also been shows whereI've lowered my streaming SATs43900:27:32,850 --> 00:27:39,270to 10 SATs a minute, I'm like,that'll show you. You saw. How's44000:27:39,270 --> 00:27:42,990the onboarding going? Oscar,because fountain is unique in44100:27:42,990 --> 00:27:47,250that you are onboardingpodcasters. You help them I have44200:27:47,250 --> 00:27:49,920not run through the processmyself. Maybe you can explain44300:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,790how it goes and how it works andhow it is actually working out?44400:27:54,900 --> 00:27:59,730Yeah, happy to. So essentially,you can claim your podcast44500:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,590within fountain, we use the sametechnique as you guys do on44600:28:04,590 --> 00:28:08,310podcast, that wallet where wejust send you we send an email44700:28:08,340 --> 00:28:11,010to the email in the RSS feed.Just44800:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,650now. Are you sending that? Orare you sending that or is the44900:28:13,650 --> 00:28:14,790index sending that45000:28:14,850 --> 00:28:22,140we're sending that, okay. Andthen we partner with you guys to45100:28:22,260 --> 00:28:24,780once you claim your show, if youdon't have a value block45200:28:24,780 --> 00:28:31,140already, we will just update thevalue block in podcast index and45300:28:31,140 --> 00:28:35,700basically just set you up with alightning wallet and enable you45400:28:35,700 --> 00:28:39,450to receive sets straight away. Ithink there's there's a few45500:28:39,450 --> 00:28:43,350pieces to this one, obviously,is the technical part and just45600:28:43,740 --> 00:28:46,860hiding everything from thepodcaster. So that it just looks45700:28:46,860 --> 00:28:51,870like it's just a one clickprocess, basically. And then,45800:28:51,990 --> 00:28:54,840you know, all of the dataaggregation that we do on the45900:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,740back end in terms of analyticsfor income, so seeing, you know,46000:28:58,740 --> 00:29:01,620obviously reading the messages,because the value is as much in46100:29:01,620 --> 00:29:05,940the message as it is in theactual money. And podcasters see46200:29:05,940 --> 00:29:07,470that straight away when we talkabout46300:29:07,620 --> 00:29:12,540do you had as a part as afountain on onboarded podcast?46400:29:12,540 --> 00:29:15,900Or do I have a screen that showsme all the statistics? I'd love46500:29:15,900 --> 00:29:17,190to see a screenshot of it.46600:29:17,610 --> 00:29:23,190Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you haveessentially, you're used to46700:29:23,190 --> 00:29:25,830work, we used to work adifferent way. So we used to46800:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,530have two Wallet. So you'd haveyour listener wallet and your46900:29:28,530 --> 00:29:31,530podcast, the wallet, but we'veactually just recently unified47000:29:31,530 --> 00:29:36,480them. So you have to associateyour podcast with a fountain47100:29:36,510 --> 00:29:41,130user account. And then what youwill see is a list of all of the47200:29:41,130 --> 00:29:45,990incoming messages on that value.And then if it's a fountain user47300:29:45,990 --> 00:29:48,540that sent that boosts you'll beable to click through to their47400:29:48,540 --> 00:29:51,990profile and see okay, you know,who are they following what47500:29:51,990 --> 00:29:55,200clips that they've created, thatkind of thing. You'll also be47600:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,370able to see which episodes havebrought in the most. And also47700:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,130who's been and supporting youthe most the time47800:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,250and you can continue. Can yousend money back to them to their47900:30:05,250 --> 00:30:05,850wallet? Yeah.48000:30:06,030 --> 00:30:11,040Well, so in this latest update,yeah, cool. Every fountain user48100:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,000now has a lightning address,which means that you can pay any48200:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,420fountain user just with theirlightning address. I actually48300:30:18,450 --> 00:30:21,390tried that it works really welldid not. Did you have to set up48400:30:21,390 --> 00:30:24,510a separate service for that? Areyou using a third party for the48500:30:24,630 --> 00:30:25,590translation?48600:30:26,070 --> 00:30:30,330Yes. So we're using LM pay stilland massive shout out to Tim. I48700:30:30,330 --> 00:30:34,620mean, he's just been soinvaluable throughout this whole48800:30:34,650 --> 00:30:38,040process. But we're using LNP.But we do have to set up a48900:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,450separate service on top of thatto manage the lightning address49000:30:42,450 --> 00:30:42,930and request49100:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,000now that works with DNS TXTrecords, I49200:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,380believe. Yeah, exactly. So youcan actually, you can do it just49300:30:49,380 --> 00:30:54,570with your, you know, with yourserver without going into DNS.49400:30:54,570 --> 00:30:58,380But yeah, it's actually not toocomplicated. I think in the49500:30:58,380 --> 00:31:01,950future, every app will have alightning address. The problem49600:31:01,950 --> 00:31:04,980then becomes, if I have alightning address for every app,49700:31:05,790 --> 00:31:08,520how do I manage them all? Andyou know, maybe you want to log49800:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,560in to one app?49900:31:10,590 --> 00:31:15,030Well, ultimately, I think thegoal is every every human50000:31:15,030 --> 00:31:17,850resource is born, and they'reassigned to social security50100:31:17,850 --> 00:31:19,560number and here's your lightningnode.50200:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,230Hopefully not.50300:31:23,460 --> 00:31:24,420Okay.50400:31:25,650 --> 00:31:30,300So, that's, that's interesting.One thing that stood out to me50500:31:30,330 --> 00:31:33,330with the things y'all are doingover there is that you, like you50600:31:33,330 --> 00:31:36,570admit, you contacted me andsaid, you know, we want to50700:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,880proliferate, we want to create apodcast or wallet, and then send50800:31:41,910 --> 00:31:46,740that information back to theindex. And very appreciative of50900:31:46,740 --> 00:31:49,530that, because you could haveeasily built this service in51000:31:49,530 --> 00:31:53,520house in a silo, and it wouldhave worked, you know, within51100:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,380fountain, but you took the extrastep to, you know, send that51200:31:58,380 --> 00:32:02,220information back out to theworld to the index. And so that51300:32:02,310 --> 00:32:06,810now, now, if somebody has apodcast or wallet on, on51400:32:06,810 --> 00:32:10,590fountain, then all the rest ofthe 2.0 apps can see it as well.51500:32:10,590 --> 00:32:14,520So, you know, it's, it's Wait,say that again, Dave's51600:32:14,580 --> 00:32:15,870explain that again, to me.51700:32:16,380 --> 00:32:19,890Well, I mean, you know, ifthey're building if, if Oscar51800:32:19,890 --> 00:32:22,800was building an in house, he'sbuilding an in house system for,51900:32:23,070 --> 00:32:25,950for wallet creation and thatkind of thing. It could have52000:32:25,950 --> 00:32:28,950been where it only workedinternally. He'll still52100:32:28,950 --> 00:32:33,210lightning, but it would onlywork internally, because he's52200:32:33,210 --> 00:32:38,790just keeping pointers to walletsagainst the podcast URLs. Okay,52300:32:38,790 --> 00:32:42,120instead, you know, he when hewhen a wallet gets created, it52400:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,210now gets that information, thatwallet address in splits and52500:32:45,210 --> 00:32:46,620everything gets back to theIndex.52600:32:47,940 --> 00:32:50,850Oh, yes. Yeah, that's, ofcourse, that's what you want.52700:32:50,850 --> 00:32:51,450Yes.52800:32:51,690 --> 00:32:54,510Yeah. But I mean, a lot ofpeople don't. Yeah, but I would52900:32:54,510 --> 00:32:55,710have gone over there from53000:32:55,740 --> 00:32:56,820Oscars neck.53100:32:59,610 --> 00:33:03,180Yeah. I appreciate the naturethinking that, you know that53200:33:03,210 --> 00:33:05,490that way? Is it as far as acommunity goes?53300:33:05,550 --> 00:33:08,520Yeah, no. 100%. And that'sultimately, that's what53400:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,240podcasters want, as well, youknow, the every, every podcast,53500:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,230as I'm sure you guys know, hasbeen approached 1000 times by53600:33:16,260 --> 00:33:19,740companies trying to set up, youknow, some kind of service that53700:33:19,740 --> 00:33:24,360only works within the app. And,you know, podcast is a board of53800:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,580that, and the beauty ofpodcasting 2.0. And what we're53900:33:29,580 --> 00:33:34,230doing is it works across everyapp. So no matter which app or54000:33:34,230 --> 00:33:38,400hosting provider offers theservice, there'll be able to say54100:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,490to the podcast that this willwork for all of your users no54200:33:41,490 --> 00:33:44,790matter which app that theypersonally prefer. So I think54300:33:44,790 --> 00:33:48,360that's the beauty of it. And,you know, that's why we're able54400:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,600to onboard new podcasters tovalue for value is because of54500:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960that. So yeah, it's not I don'tthink it would work any other54600:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,350way.54700:33:56,070 --> 00:34:01,830Now, let's talk about onboardingof users listeners, specifically54800:34:01,830 --> 00:34:06,570to the 2.0 part. What is theconversion of people just using54900:34:06,570 --> 00:34:12,690the app? How are you tacklingthat in the current? How the55000:34:12,690 --> 00:34:17,400fuck do I do it environment?What is your experience there?55100:34:18,659 --> 00:34:23,519Yeah, so it's actually a veryhigh proportion of our users55200:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,839that are actively using valuefor value and ascending SATs is55300:34:27,839 --> 00:34:34,079about 45%. So almost 50% of ourusers SET sending SATs every55400:34:34,079 --> 00:34:41,729week and yes, we obviously wehave a big you know, Bitcoin55500:34:41,729 --> 00:34:46,499audience in terms of the showsthat are that people listened to55600:34:46,619 --> 00:34:50,669on fountain but that is startingto branch out. And that's why we55700:34:50,669 --> 00:34:53,819wanted to build the podcast thewallet just so that we can make55800:34:53,819 --> 00:34:59,069it easy for podcasters to try itout. I would say. I mean right55900:34:59,069 --> 00:35:02,759now the guide that we have onour website is to use blue56000:35:02,759 --> 00:35:06,509wallet, we found that it's themost intuitive. It allows you to56100:35:07,409 --> 00:35:11,069buy bitcoin with Apple Paydirectly in the app. And then56200:35:11,069 --> 00:35:13,679you can just send it back intofountain. So that's our kind of56300:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,699go to. Obviously, the Cash Appannouncement was massive as56400:35:17,699 --> 00:35:20,819well. So I think it's it's stilla struggle, especially for56500:35:20,819 --> 00:35:23,309people that are put off byBitcoin.56600:35:23,339 --> 00:35:27,419So you could send directly fromCash App to, to an LM pay56700:35:27,419 --> 00:35:28,199lightning wallet.56800:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,570Yeah, exactly. So straight fromCash App. We don't have cash app56900:35:33,570 --> 00:35:34,800lightning in the UK. So of57000:35:36,420 --> 00:35:38,820course, there's there's thatproblem. Yeah,57100:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,240yeah. Why is that by the way?What what is regulation? Because57200:35:42,240 --> 00:35:42,750regulation,57300:35:43,020 --> 00:35:45,750money, money, transmitterregulations, all that stuff?57400:35:45,750 --> 00:35:46,110Sure.57500:35:46,140 --> 00:35:50,190So I've been hearing for a longtime that the UK regulations57600:35:50,190 --> 00:35:57,420around Bitcoin and crypto morebroadly, are a lot more or a lot57700:35:57,420 --> 00:36:01,020more difficult than they are inthe US. Do you do specifics on57800:36:01,020 --> 00:36:03,540that? I mean, what what is itspecifically that makes it57900:36:03,540 --> 00:36:04,230difficult?58000:36:05,670 --> 00:36:09,390Yeah, I think what I've heard isthat the time that you have to58100:36:09,390 --> 00:36:12,660put into the applicationprocess, and there's a lot of58200:36:12,660 --> 00:36:15,240just time and uncertainty thatgoes into it,58300:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,300the stalkers didn't even convertto the euro. They stayed in the58400:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,840pound, they're very protective.They know the danger of Bitcoin58500:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,370coming to their little island.58600:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,170Yeah, I mean, look, I don'tthink we're going to be a58700:36:28,380 --> 00:36:32,490regulated money transmitter.That doesn't make sense. It58800:36:32,490 --> 00:36:36,330doesn't make sense for us as apodcast that to KYC our users58900:36:36,330 --> 00:36:39,330just so they can support theirfavorite shows. Like, that59000:36:39,330 --> 00:36:42,810doesn't make sense. And I thinkI actually, I actually spoke to59100:36:42,810 --> 00:36:48,810someone who worked in the UKregulator, and I explained the59200:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,150what we were doing, and Iexplained, the, the, the lack of59300:36:54,150 --> 00:36:57,240logic when it comes to the KYCand the user to use a podcast59400:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,610app, and they totally get it. Ithink the regulations just59500:36:59,610 --> 00:37:01,860haven't caught up with these newapplication.59600:37:03,300 --> 00:37:09,270Ya know, and that's the issuethat I'm seeing that may be a59700:37:09,270 --> 00:37:15,750problem. So we had the Facebookpull back announcement. Do want59800:37:15,750 --> 00:37:20,520to talk about this just briefly.We're Facebook after a lot of59900:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,330hullabaloo and a lot of peopleintegrated and a lot of NDAs60000:37:24,330 --> 00:37:28,890were signed. They went, Yeah,no, yeah, a month into it. This60100:37:28,890 --> 00:37:33,270is not for us. And they startdoing very interesting things.60200:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,490My wife, Tina just had someonehere. It's a business woman. And60300:37:38,490 --> 00:37:42,120she relies heavily on Facebook.And she also has a podcast that60400:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,330goes with your business. Andthey've just been uploading,60500:37:45,510 --> 00:37:47,730they didn't even we weren't evenreally aware of how the whole60600:37:47,730 --> 00:37:52,140podcast thing worked. But sheshowed me the message and I'm60700:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,300stupid, I should have asked hersend me screenshots. I could60800:37:54,300 --> 00:37:58,320read it verbatim. But Facebookwill not even allow you to post60900:37:58,350 --> 00:38:04,110a link to your podcast now. Noteven just a link to it, it got61000:38:04,110 --> 00:38:08,250kicked off. And I think that maybe something that James Cridland61100:38:08,250 --> 00:38:10,860saw only that message wascommunity standards. I'm not61200:38:10,860 --> 00:38:15,900quite sure how he got that one.It is my belief that if you've61300:38:15,900 --> 00:38:20,160been following this Oscar in theUnited States, we our current61400:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,840administration has created adisinformation governance board61500:38:24,870 --> 00:38:27,510within Department of HomelandSecurity. So like the home61600:38:27,510 --> 00:38:34,050office. And this there was asite we discussed this on the61700:38:34,050 --> 00:38:38,010last show, there was a big pushfrom former President Obama, who61800:38:38,010 --> 00:38:41,730spoke at the Stanford cyberInstitute, there was again, a61900:38:41,730 --> 00:38:47,250Brookings Institution articleabout how podcasting cannot be62000:38:47,250 --> 00:38:51,360moderated. It is my belief thatFacebook saw the writing on the62100:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,790wall went, look, it's going tobe really hard to monetize62200:38:53,790 --> 00:38:57,030anyway. We don't want to dealwith all the shit that's coming62300:38:57,030 --> 00:39:00,360down on podcasts. So we're goingto bow out62400:39:03,030 --> 00:39:06,330you see that that was not mythinking. I was thinking that62500:39:06,330 --> 00:39:11,340they they have already squashedall of the concerns. I mean,62600:39:11,340 --> 00:39:16,350well, let me let me phrase thisdifferently. Facebook is built,62700:39:17,610 --> 00:39:22,560they have built everything theyhave moated themselves with62800:39:22,710 --> 00:39:28,320their content moderation mode,by employing you know 1000s of62900:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,500people around the world to dothe content moderation as in an63000:39:31,500 --> 00:39:36,960ahi fashion is so they can justalways claim Oh, and we're you63100:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,260know, we're just we're doing wegot plenty of content moderation63200:39:40,260 --> 00:39:43,380we're doing is so that theydidn't have to care about63300:39:44,130 --> 00:39:47,280podcasting and what what itmight mean to them.63400:39:47,850 --> 00:39:53,310Well, your analysis has twoflaws in it. I think. Only one63500:39:53,310 --> 00:39:58,860getting better. One you actuallythink that Facebook is is doing63600:39:58,860 --> 00:40:03,150anything that will Would thatwould jeopardize their current63700:40:03,150 --> 00:40:06,420relationship with governmentregulations? very precarious.63800:40:06,420 --> 00:40:10,260They want a lot of regulation sothat they can be the big boss.63900:40:11,730 --> 00:40:16,680They're motivated by money andby control. And there's no way64000:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,420you can hire enough. Ah, I liketo term human intelligence to64100:40:21,750 --> 00:40:25,020moderate podcasts you have tolisten to every single podcast64200:40:25,020 --> 00:40:29,220is there is no AI and no comicsor Blogger, you don't have to64300:40:29,250 --> 00:40:33,060refute this. There is no AI, itcan barely do images. Can we?64400:40:33,060 --> 00:40:36,540You just sent me a link aboutthis this morning that it's hard64500:40:36,540 --> 00:40:40,590for AI to even understand thecontext of a mean image to64600:40:40,590 --> 00:40:43,500there's no way they could do it.And they just say, Look, this is64700:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,500specific. I'm saying this. Thisis coming to podcasting,64800:40:46,500 --> 00:40:51,180specifically, because theFacebook the Facebook knows how64900:40:51,180 --> 00:40:54,210to operate. Oh, okay. You don'twant us you don't want the65000:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,750President Trump done. He's gone.Now why did they do that?65100:40:58,109 --> 00:41:04,259In that regard? Okay, on that onthat line of thinking, they may65200:41:04,259 --> 00:41:08,519know something that we don'tthey? Well, yes. They they like65300:41:08,519 --> 00:41:11,579they know their food. Inflationis coming. Yes. Yeah. Yeah,65400:41:11,609 --> 00:41:16,559they Well, regulation. I knowthat this. President Obama and65500:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,339the Brookings Institution bothcalled out the Steve Bannon war,65600:41:20,489 --> 00:41:24,659war room podcast, asdisinformation that wound up65700:41:24,659 --> 00:41:27,509killing people. You see what'sgoing on?65800:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,550I just want to hear that ladysing.65900:41:31,980 --> 00:41:34,500She seems quite well. Yeah. So66000:41:34,530 --> 00:41:39,690well, this fits with actuallyplay a good time for a clip.66100:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,920Yes. Let's play a clip. Play. DeLorenzo, real motivations of66200:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,670large companies, because thisfits very well with with your66300:41:47,670 --> 00:41:50,850analysis of what of what largecompanies really want.66400:41:51,180 --> 00:41:54,990I had this Harvard Law Schoolprofessor as the moderator. And66500:41:54,990 --> 00:41:58,620he asked one of the CEOs ofProcter and Gamble or one of66600:41:58,620 --> 00:42:02,130these big corporations. Youknow, Mr. Smith, what would you66700:42:02,130 --> 00:42:07,230do? If Mr. Mr. Pickens herecalled you up and said Your66800:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,470company is in play? Yeah, thatis we're starting a proxy66900:42:10,470 --> 00:42:13,860battle. We're buying up shares.And Mr. Smith said, Well, I67000:42:13,860 --> 00:42:17,340would call a meeting of my boardof directors. And we would we67100:42:17,340 --> 00:42:20,640would decide what parts of ourenterprise we had to shut down67200:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,630what parts were profitable, whatparts weren't so profitable, we67300:42:24,630 --> 00:42:28,350will evaluate our humanresources policy and he went on67400:42:28,350 --> 00:42:31,410and on about all the things hewould do to to improve the67500:42:31,410 --> 00:42:35,550efficiency and competitivenessof his company. So that he then67600:42:35,550 --> 00:42:38,160he says, we would do this so wecould go to our shareholders and67700:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,370say, You don't need Mr. Pickens,we will improve the value of67800:42:41,370 --> 00:42:44,520this company, and you'll makemoney that way. Mr. And Mrs.67900:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,800stockholder. Now what whatquestion Does that beg? Who? Why68000:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,500hasn't already done it? Yeah.Why haven't you already been68100:42:52,500 --> 00:42:56,370doing that? Well, because humanbeings like the easy life rather68200:42:56,370 --> 00:42:59,490than harder. Most human beings.And that's hard work. We're68300:42:59,490 --> 00:43:03,030running up a company. So if youcan make money anyway without68400:43:03,030 --> 00:43:04,920working your butt off, why not?68500:43:06,059 --> 00:43:06,929Very good point.68600:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,650Yeah. T Boone Pickens, you knowthe big takeover guys like Well,68700:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,290yeah, well you're gonna you'reonly going to work when you have68800:43:13,290 --> 00:43:19,200to and so like this may be theFacebook strategy is we're this68900:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,750is gonna be a lot of work. Yeah,we really don't want to fool69000:43:21,750 --> 00:43:25,470with it and we're already makingyou know $20 billion a quarter69100:43:25,470 --> 00:43:27,510in profits so let's just let'sjust not do it.69200:43:28,380 --> 00:43:32,190I think that's correct. It'sit's too much hassle they don't69300:43:32,190 --> 00:43:35,250want to deal with with theconversation. Oh, you're hosting69400:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,900evil podcast. And then there'sone other silent weapon that is69500:43:39,900 --> 00:43:46,530being used, which is ESG whichis environmental social goals. A69600:43:46,530 --> 00:43:51,810governance I'm sorry. And theenvironmental is obvious no69700:43:51,810 --> 00:43:56,580stories that don't know nothingpositive about fossil fuels.69800:43:57,270 --> 00:44:02,040That's that's for Bolton nothingnegative about wind solar.69900:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,790Please no nuclear talk that'salso for boat and although it's70000:44:05,790 --> 00:44:09,300changing a little bit no proofof work. Nope. No proof of work70100:44:09,300 --> 00:44:13,710talk exactly. The social goalsWell, here we are. I mean,70200:44:13,710 --> 00:44:17,850podcasts are just evil that meanthere's there's there's right70300:44:17,850 --> 00:44:20,820wing conspiracy theoriststhere's a misogynist, there's70400:44:20,820 --> 00:44:25,770racist there's all kinds ofpeople on those damn podcast. So70500:44:25,770 --> 00:44:29,760Oscar, Have you received anytype of requests for takedown or70600:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,990anybody was pissed off and andcame we've gotten one or two I70700:44:33,990 --> 00:44:38,100think very few. But have youreceived anything like that? No,70800:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,790not one. There you go. And yougo we have a couple of questions70900:44:41,790 --> 00:44:45,540for Oscar from the boostergrams, which is no new new for71000:44:45,540 --> 00:44:48,720us. Yes. First of all, sirSpencer was very happy to report71100:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,930the Kansas City block party withLori and Abel Corbijn himself71200:44:51,930 --> 00:44:56,670was a huge success. And they hada podcasting 2.0 banner which71300:44:56,670 --> 00:45:01,020they got on to the local TVnews. Yeah. Yeah, it was also71400:45:01,020 --> 00:45:04,230all over no agenda social.Here's a question from Spencer,71500:45:04,530 --> 00:45:07,890Oscar, I heard you and Nick metsome of my KC buddies at the BTC71600:45:07,890 --> 00:45:12,300Miami shindig also shout out toSir OMA who won a free boost hat71700:45:12,300 --> 00:45:14,850but donated it to me. I'll bewearing that hat all over the71800:45:14,850 --> 00:45:17,610place as soon as it arrives.Yes, you're you're an app with71900:45:17,610 --> 00:45:18,210merch?72000:45:19,230 --> 00:45:22,860Amazing. Yeah, we we've triedhard with the merch. I think72100:45:22,860 --> 00:45:26,100it's it's important. We've gotsome new merch coming. And we're72200:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,980doing more competitions aroundit. But yeah, thanks for the72300:45:28,980 --> 00:45:32,130shout out. And yeah, hopefullyget to meet him again in person72400:45:32,130 --> 00:45:32,520soon.72500:45:32,699 --> 00:45:37,319Question from Carolyn. Can tohost of a podcast, for example,72600:45:37,319 --> 00:45:41,069myself and Fletcher, whotogether we host hogs story? Can72700:45:41,069 --> 00:45:45,179we claim hogs story on fountain?I guess what she's saying is, if72800:45:45,179 --> 00:45:49,829two hosts own the show, how doyou claim that equally amongst72900:45:49,829 --> 00:45:54,539two people? One is always goingto be controlled the splits your73000:45:54,539 --> 00:45:55,079thoughts?73100:45:55,949 --> 00:46:00,119Yeah, great question. So this isactually possible. But right73200:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,329now, we'll just have to do itfor you manually. So it's not a73300:46:03,329 --> 00:46:06,629one to one relationship,necessarily. So you could have73400:46:06,629 --> 00:46:11,189two fountain accounts that bothhave the ability to update the73500:46:11,189 --> 00:46:14,609split. And then when you look atthose splits, whether it's for73600:46:14,609 --> 00:46:18,959the show, or the episode, youwould just see the two accounts73700:46:18,989 --> 00:46:22,919that have, you know, claimed theshow and enter in the splits.73800:46:23,219 --> 00:46:26,939But you could also just add anyfountain user to the show splits73900:46:26,969 --> 00:46:29,909or episodes. But and I thinkthis is, you know, going back to74000:46:29,909 --> 00:46:32,129the onboarding, I think this isone thing that's going to be74100:46:32,129 --> 00:46:37,469massive for onboarding becausepodcasters are unique in that74200:46:37,499 --> 00:46:40,349they are just talking todifferent people every single74300:46:40,349 --> 00:46:43,889week. And if you have a hostthat is onboard with value for74400:46:43,889 --> 00:46:47,399value that is onboard withpodcasting 2.0. And that is74500:46:47,429 --> 00:46:50,969onboard with Bitcoin andlightning, they can just onboard74600:46:50,999 --> 00:46:54,569the guests. Right, right foryou. And so that's one of the74700:46:54,569 --> 00:46:57,149reasons we did it. We'reencouraging all of the74800:46:57,149 --> 00:47:01,889podcasters that use our podcast,the wallet, to onboard all of74900:47:01,889 --> 00:47:05,609their guests to fountain and tovalue for value in the hope that75000:47:05,609 --> 00:47:08,729they go out and spread themessage, because it's still so75100:47:08,759 --> 00:47:13,919early. I mean, if you look atthe numbers, the number of75200:47:13,919 --> 00:47:18,059downloads that big podcasts get,you know, we're so we're so far75300:47:18,059 --> 00:47:21,359off getting there. So there's alot of work to do in terms of75400:47:21,389 --> 00:47:24,539onboarding, education. Reallylooking forward to your75500:47:24,659 --> 00:47:27,389manifest, though. Yeah,75600:47:27,420 --> 00:47:31,140yes, I know, it's, I'm finallyback, the travel is finally75700:47:31,140 --> 00:47:35,190slowed down, I've started thetraining of the dog. All these75800:47:35,190 --> 00:47:38,220things that have been had beenlingering. But yeah, I already75900:47:38,220 --> 00:47:41,700I've already written some of it.But I'm, I'm actually happy with76000:47:41,730 --> 00:47:46,890some of this delay, because I'mseeing this, the Joe Rogan show76100:47:46,890 --> 00:47:51,960has reach, you know, this kindof stuff gets around. And I'm76200:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,200just seeing the onboarding is soobvious to me, I really don't76300:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,970care how we get people into 2.0as long as they're in it. And76400:47:59,970 --> 00:48:03,360once you have something that youusing the namespace for it, you76500:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,630know, all the rest can comenaturally. And eventually, I76600:48:06,630 --> 00:48:10,110presume it will, that allhosting companies will have the76700:48:10,110 --> 00:48:14,640majority of of frequently usedtags. Do you see a lot of uptake76800:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,450of the podcast you've on boardedin other tags, like transcript76900:48:18,450 --> 00:48:22,560or chapters or guests or any ofthis? And and have you come back77000:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,430that actually was going to haveyou thought of combining the the77100:48:26,490 --> 00:48:30,600role? You know, so if you add aguest, you could do that in one77200:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,450fell swoop with a guest and awallet? Or is that still a77300:48:33,450 --> 00:48:34,500separate process?77400:48:35,219 --> 00:48:38,639Yeah, it's a great question. AndI think one thing that has77500:48:38,699 --> 00:48:44,009limited, the adoption has beenthe hosting platforms, I think77600:48:44,009 --> 00:48:48,959they need to do a lot more interms of adopting some of the77700:48:48,959 --> 00:48:52,139features and pushing them andmaking them a bit easier for77800:48:52,139 --> 00:48:55,589podcasters. The number one thingthat we've heard is that it's77900:48:55,589 --> 00:48:57,059just a lot of work.78000:48:57,510 --> 00:49:04,140For example, lazy as podcasters.Yeah, like ham radio guys, so78100:49:04,140 --> 00:49:05,580much. We're too expensive,78200:49:06,179 --> 00:49:10,799for example, like that, creatingthe chapters, I think we could78300:49:10,799 --> 00:49:14,639do. There's a lot of differentinputs that you could provide to78400:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,669those chapters. Yeah, I thinkthere's really creative ways78500:49:17,669 --> 00:49:21,209that you could kind of help thepodcast that at least have an78600:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,319outline of the chapters. Sothere's a lot that we'd like to78700:49:25,319 --> 00:49:29,429do there. I think it kind ofpushes us further from the app78800:49:29,429 --> 00:49:32,939side onto the host side, whichI'm not sure how far in that78900:49:32,939 --> 00:49:36,599direction we want to go. Butyeah, I'd really like to see the79000:49:36,599 --> 00:49:41,159hosting platforms do more andjust make it easier for79100:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,919podcasters. Because yeah, rightnow it is quite difficult,79200:49:43,949 --> 00:49:45,269especially with the chapters.79300:49:45,869 --> 00:49:49,619Yeah. And that's why you seethird party services cropping up79400:49:49,619 --> 00:49:51,929that's why you have sovereignfeeds. That's why you have the79500:49:51,929 --> 00:49:57,149WordPress the PowerPress Plugin.Yeah, all of these things. Yeah.79600:49:57,300 --> 00:50:01,830I think what's, what's so greatat about podcasting 2.0, and79700:50:01,830 --> 00:50:04,830specifically, the index, and Ihope we can see more of this in79800:50:04,830 --> 00:50:10,590the future is allowing differentthird parties to just integrate79900:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,950with the index and provide thatservice, kind of, you know,80000:50:13,980 --> 00:50:16,740stepping over the hostingplatform that's moving a bit too80100:50:16,740 --> 00:50:17,310slowly.80200:50:18,420 --> 00:50:24,300We're ready. I mean, hypercapture is one, although it's80300:50:24,300 --> 00:50:28,740not necessarily connected to theto the index, per se, but is in80400:50:28,740 --> 00:50:31,410the ecosystem. That's how all mychapters get the chapters for80500:50:31,410 --> 00:50:32,340the show get done?80600:50:33,540 --> 00:50:37,830Yeah, I think you're gonna see,I think you're gonna see some of80700:50:37,830 --> 00:50:43,560this happen. Over the next, I'dsay, six to 12 months, I think,80800:50:44,250 --> 00:50:48,690just based on the number ofconversations that I have had80900:50:48,690 --> 00:50:56,730conversations with. One, there'sfour for add conversation with81000:50:56,730 --> 00:51:02,880four different people this week,from different hosting company,81100:51:02,910 --> 00:51:10,590platform apps, that that are alllooking at 2.0 and tags, and81200:51:10,590 --> 00:51:16,080names to be a namespace as thejust get this prevailing sense81300:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,100that from things, things likeconcrete things I know that are81400:51:20,100 --> 00:51:24,570happening, and the people theseriousness with which the81500:51:24,570 --> 00:51:30,600people I talk to are talking,and I really think that you're81600:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,870gonna see a lot more people comeon some of that lag with hosting81700:51:33,870 --> 00:51:38,940companies and apps is going togo away in the next in81800:51:38,940 --> 00:51:39,420everything it81900:51:39,420 --> 00:51:43,230has to is we're accelerating sofast. There's, there's demand is82000:51:43,230 --> 00:51:44,190starting to build.82100:51:45,150 --> 00:51:47,820Yeah, I think I think we justgot out. I mean, it's, it's no82200:51:47,820 --> 00:51:50,670mystery, there's the normalthing, we you get out ahead,82300:51:50,670 --> 00:51:53,460when you're building something,you get out ahead. And then it82400:51:53,460 --> 00:51:55,620takes time for people to catchup. It's just a natural curve.82500:51:55,980 --> 00:52:00,720And that's fine. And, and I wantpeople to keep their, their chin82600:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,900up about adoption and that kindof thing. Because it is82700:52:03,900 --> 00:52:08,190happening. It's just, it reallyis it's just a little bit a82800:52:08,190 --> 00:52:08,700little bit slow.82900:52:08,969 --> 00:52:12,929Podcasting, brother thatpodcasting is slow, we're a slow83000:52:12,929 --> 00:52:18,239growing ecosystem. It's justwhat it is. And I keep reminding83100:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,449myself, because you go back andyou looked at Oh, it's we've83200:52:21,449 --> 00:52:24,239gone up like three, four or 5%with whatever metric you're83300:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,369looking at. And but it takestime. Just takes time. And this83400:52:29,369 --> 00:52:32,759is a true build it they willcome. What do we have now? Six83500:52:32,759 --> 00:52:37,649and a half 1000 value for valuepodcast? Yeah, that's active83600:52:37,649 --> 00:52:41,429users that's active activelyusing a namespace feature on83700:52:41,429 --> 00:52:43,319every podcast, that's a bigdeal.83800:52:44,730 --> 00:52:49,170You know, and they've, so let meask you this Oscar on on the83900:52:49,170 --> 00:52:53,700guest wallets, thing. So theseare lightning addresses. So I84000:52:53,700 --> 00:53:00,540can put in a fountain userlightning address from any to84100:53:00,540 --> 00:53:03,180perform any split anywhere,right, it doesn't have to be84200:53:03,180 --> 00:53:04,170within the fountain app.84300:53:05,489 --> 00:53:09,299So you can but right now, wedon't have the ability within84400:53:09,299 --> 00:53:13,829the app to share that. So that'ssomething we're working on. But84500:53:13,829 --> 00:53:18,599yeah, technically, you can inputthat from any service that is84600:53:18,629 --> 00:53:23,999managing splits, whether it'sself hosted or another service,84700:53:23,999 --> 00:53:27,989and I think where we'd love toget to, is the ability to do84800:53:27,989 --> 00:53:31,649that cross app as well. Youknow, just rather you're84900:53:31,649 --> 00:53:36,059managing your split in thefountain podcaster wallet, on85000:53:36,089 --> 00:53:41,759podcast that wallet.com On yourown RSS feed yourself hosting on85100:53:41,759 --> 00:53:47,339sovereign feeds, wherever you'redoing that you could add users85200:53:47,549 --> 00:53:52,619from other apps to the split ina way that was just simple. I85300:53:52,619 --> 00:53:54,509think that would be incredible.85400:53:56,010 --> 00:53:59,100Because that makes me thinkimmediately that what you need85500:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,250we need there's I don't want touse the term discovery because85600:54:02,250 --> 00:54:06,510it's not really what this is ayou need a way to find the85700:54:06,630 --> 00:54:11,670person mean like almost like adirectory of of users that you85800:54:11,670 --> 00:54:17,190can choose from you because Ican see as like okay well85900:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,220well once you're managing wellonce you're managing the wallet86000:54:20,220 --> 00:54:23,550infrastructure like they arewhether you're managing it and86100:54:23,550 --> 00:54:30,510as custodial or not once youhave that directory I've tried86200:54:30,510 --> 00:54:33,570out some of this this thisaddress stuff it works really86300:54:33,570 --> 00:54:37,860well and from breeze you can youcan pay someone with the86400:54:37,860 --> 00:54:41,250fountain dot F m address. Ithink that's the that's the86500:54:41,250 --> 00:54:46,530common that's the commonality. Ijust don't know if if you can86600:54:46,530 --> 00:54:50,790make that well can you make thata central? I don't know if you86700:54:50,790 --> 00:54:52,050want that centralized though.86800:54:52,079 --> 00:54:55,379Yeah, I don't want to I don'tthink right because you have you86900:54:55,379 --> 00:54:59,369have the because immediatelywhat I thought of was on podcast87000:54:59,369 --> 00:55:03,299or wallet where A lot of splitsare done that I could like go87100:55:03,299 --> 00:55:09,179through all of the current valuefor value feed blocks. On a,87200:55:09,449 --> 00:55:13,979like on a, on a timer, let'sjust say every once a day or87300:55:13,979 --> 00:55:14,339cron87400:55:14,340 --> 00:55:15,630job across.87500:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,469Yes, I could, I could put in acrunch crunch87600:55:20,070 --> 00:55:21,780a cron job out of a Dave Jones87700:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,410That looks through all the valueblocks in their splits, pulls87800:55:25,410 --> 00:55:29,340the addresses and names out andthen just does a like, builds a87900:55:29,340 --> 00:55:32,160little simple directory so thatyou have a drop down box in the88000:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,370podcast football is spliteditor. But I don't know if88100:55:35,370 --> 00:55:37,440that's necessary. I mean, like,what do you what do you think88200:55:37,440 --> 00:55:37,770Oscar?88300:55:38,969 --> 00:55:42,839I'm not sure that's necessary. Ithink what we need is a way to88400:55:42,899 --> 00:55:47,549link lightning addresses becauseI think that is the format88500:55:47,549 --> 00:55:52,439that's being adopted, not justin podcasting, but I agree all88600:55:52,439 --> 00:55:55,559over lightning, I think we justneed a way to link that to key88700:55:55,559 --> 00:56:00,059send, because you can't key senda lightning address. However, if88800:56:00,059 --> 00:56:02,939you could, I mean, a lightningaddress is just the lookup.88900:56:03,029 --> 00:56:08,069Basically, if you could includethe keys and information in the89000:56:08,069 --> 00:56:12,959lookup response, then whateverservice you're using, you could89100:56:12,959 --> 00:56:17,489let the users type in alightning address. And that89200:56:17,489 --> 00:56:20,309would pull back the key sendinformation that you could then89300:56:20,309 --> 00:56:23,159insert into the value block? Ithink that would be the way to89400:56:23,159 --> 00:56:23,669do it.89500:56:24,180 --> 00:56:28,200Is that case, when you say thelightning address resolves to89600:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,300keys to the Node Info does canadd also carry the extra info, I89700:56:33,300 --> 00:56:36,780don't know much about lightningaddresses how they work, but89800:56:37,170 --> 00:56:43,380just a very sort of high levelview of it. But down down at the89900:56:43,380 --> 00:56:48,570nitty gritty Can you have itreturn the other routing90000:56:48,570 --> 00:56:51,900information to like if it had acustom key or custom value or90100:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,390routing hint? Can all that stuffcome back to you? Is it just a90200:56:54,390 --> 00:56:55,170node address?90300:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,060No, yeah, it's from how Iunderstand it is pretty90400:57:00,060 --> 00:57:03,990flexible, it would just need thestandard to be, you know,90500:57:04,050 --> 00:57:06,780updated. So I think it'sdefinitely possible.90600:57:06,809 --> 00:57:12,329There's one there's one otherthing ln URL, which is which is90700:57:12,329 --> 00:57:20,459really how the how the addressesthey started out with ln URL,90800:57:20,489 --> 00:57:28,019mainly? That now also does keysend. So are you familiar with90900:57:28,019 --> 00:57:35,519lb lb? Why? Get out? Get lb.comto if you go to get lb.com?91000:57:35,609 --> 00:57:39,179You'll see it's the Bitcoinlightning app for your browser,91100:57:40,019 --> 00:57:45,329which is I guess it's anextension. And while I'm sure91200:57:45,329 --> 00:57:49,829it's it's custodial, but you'lleven see right up there, it has91300:57:49,829 --> 00:57:53,699value for value. They just addedthat because now you can use91400:57:54,689 --> 00:57:57,149your lb address for key send.91500:57:59,400 --> 00:58:06,540Okay. And how? And is this isjust Ellen URL under the under91600:58:06,539 --> 00:58:07,259the Yes.91700:58:09,389 --> 00:58:11,789Okay, so they're they're doingthe URL and URL.91800:58:13,860 --> 00:58:19,320But it works with key send, I'vebeen reliably informed by ROI91900:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,609that is reliable. That's prettyreliable. Yeah. Yes.92000:58:24,420 --> 00:58:28,980Oh, okay. So there's, there's,there's developments here.92100:58:29,010 --> 00:58:32,640There's developments. So I and Iagree with you, Oscar, I think92200:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,520that the the address, I evenlooked into it, like how can I92300:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,670do this for curry.com. And is alittle more than I was willing92400:58:38,670 --> 00:58:42,360to delve into at the time, but Ican totally see how it works.92500:58:42,390 --> 00:58:45,330You know, once you you writeeither the server, you're the92600:58:45,330 --> 00:58:48,000mail server, or you can do itwith DNS, which may be92700:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,410preferred. You can set that upand it'll just work. And it92800:58:52,410 --> 00:58:55,260works with I think everylightning app have tried92900:58:55,290 --> 00:58:58,230understands this concept. Andnow with the addition of keys,93000:58:58,230 --> 00:59:00,840and I think we may be able touse this moving forward.93100:59:04,139 --> 00:59:07,349Yeah, I think it makes sense asa as an approach because it's93200:59:07,349 --> 00:59:09,899just, you know, peopleunderstand it. It's just like an93300:59:09,899 --> 00:59:13,469email address. But for money.Simple. Yep. Yeah,93400:59:13,500 --> 00:59:16,020it's simple like cash app. Allthese things have similar93500:59:16,350 --> 00:59:19,200similar addressing schemes. Buteven even I'll be I think I'll93600:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,980be could be used for podcastersI'm not advocating for this. I'm93700:59:22,980 --> 00:59:25,320just saying this is the type ofdevelopment we're seeing that93800:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,220you can fire up a wallet, yourown wallet. Yes, it's it's93900:59:29,220 --> 00:59:32,790likely custodial what I see. Butyou can fire it up right in your94000:59:32,790 --> 00:59:35,250browser. And you could connectthat to a value block.94100:59:39,239 --> 00:59:43,499Yeah, I could see this. Youthink? Let me did you hear this?94200:59:43,829 --> 00:59:48,839Or read this article? About thisPatreon survey? No, this isn't a94300:59:49,799 --> 00:59:54,419title of the article. See whereit is from TechCrunch maybe94400:59:54,629 --> 00:59:59,309think this from TechCrunch soyou know it's 100% legit. A94500:59:59,309 --> 01:00:02,639major page RIANZ survey showsthat most creators don't want94601:00:02,639 --> 01:00:06,329crypto payments. Yeah. Okay.94701:00:06,719 --> 01:00:09,269So I don't want crypto either Ionly want a Bitcoin.94801:00:09,449 --> 01:00:12,479Yeah. This is this is the way94901:00:12,929 --> 01:00:15,809this is the this is how theyfight it.95001:00:15,929 --> 01:00:20,999It is it is how they fight. Sobecause the headline survey95101:00:22,139 --> 01:00:25,799doesn't give you a full pictureat all of what the survey95201:00:25,799 --> 01:00:26,429actually95301:00:26,460 --> 01:00:29,490what did the survey actuallyshow? So I95401:00:29,490 --> 01:00:31,920mean this is this isdisinformation somebody.95501:00:32,460 --> 01:00:36,900Somebody called Nina jank Jankawits in the get Aratus on about95601:00:37,260 --> 01:00:41,850the pitch to Patreon. This islet me just read from the95701:00:41,850 --> 01:00:45,660article here says its creatorconsensus out of 250,00095801:00:45,660 --> 01:00:48,810creators active on Patreon over13,000 people responded to the95901:00:48,810 --> 01:00:52,080survey. That's pretty good,right? Yeah, 13,000 payments, a96001:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,960decent decent sample size saysvideos the most popular primary96101:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,740medium on Patreon representing38% of respondents. So you can96201:01:01,740 --> 01:01:05,220say like this is me, you knowright out the gate video mostly.96301:01:05,430 --> 01:01:08,340So this is YouTube creators andTwitch streamers probably.96401:01:09,870 --> 01:01:12,000They're gonna they're gonna havea little bit a little bit96501:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,240different take. So but but thepodcast, so of all the ones96601:01:18,900 --> 01:01:26,040surveyed, podcasting was 14% ofthe respondents. Yeah, not there96701:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,760you go. Not a big, not a bigrepresentation of podcasting,96801:01:29,760 --> 01:01:35,400but still whatever reason, andthe respondents said that over96901:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,62040% 40% of their creative incomecame from Patreon. And that's97001:01:40,620 --> 01:01:47,580big that is big. I mean, thatmeans the of the one surveyed97101:01:48,870 --> 01:01:53,31038% Being video probably be aTwitch streamers and YouTubers.97201:01:54,300 --> 01:02:01,020That group is dependent onPatreon for almost half of their97301:02:01,020 --> 01:02:05,820income. That's that stood out tome but but get getting back into97401:02:05,820 --> 01:02:12,630the to the headline for asecond. It says here. So here's97501:02:12,630 --> 01:02:16,560how it breaks down. If you diginto the census act these this97601:02:16,560 --> 01:02:22,620report actually. So in thepodcasting category, you have97701:02:23,610 --> 01:02:29,520four different responses. Whenasked respondent interest in97801:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,810crypto payments, you have fourdifferent possibilities they97901:02:33,810 --> 01:02:37,320could have said it's they thinkit's crucial. They think it98001:02:37,320 --> 01:02:43,500would be nice to have they don'tcare. Or please don't write98101:02:43,530 --> 01:02:49,860those, those your four options.In the podcast section, it was98201:02:50,220 --> 01:02:55,0208% said they thought it wascrucial. 17% said they thought98301:02:55,020 --> 01:03:00,270it was nice to have 34% Didn'tcare and 42% said please don't.98401:03:00,450 --> 01:03:02,400So you know the way I read that.98501:03:03,449 --> 01:03:07,049You could say more than half areinterested. Yeah.98601:03:08,309 --> 01:03:13,469So like 20 and 25% actually arenot just interested they want it98701:03:13,499 --> 01:03:19,379Yeah, they say 8% 17% 25% ofpodcasters who have a Patreon98801:03:20,039 --> 01:03:27,059account. 25% of them think thatcrypto payments nebulous is that98901:03:27,059 --> 01:03:32,249is is either crucial or nice tohave 34% Don't care. So that's99001:03:32,429 --> 01:03:35,369they don't really they are yet99101:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,470don't care yet. They don't care.Yes.99201:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,960The kicker here, though, in thiswhole thing was how you ask the99301:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,500question, of course, that'salways the game that you play99401:03:46,500 --> 01:03:52,440with survey. And here's, here'show the question actually, if99501:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,040you dig into it was actually wasgiven? I don't have the exact99601:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,540wording of the question. Butthey they talk about web three.99701:04:01,410 --> 01:04:04,980Yeah, that's, that's their quiz.That's the way that they talked99801:04:04,980 --> 01:04:09,630about this. This is somecreators, including many who99901:04:09,630 --> 01:04:13,230took the survey, are opposed toPatreon building web three100001:04:13,230 --> 01:04:16,470functionality due to concernsabout potential fraudulent100101:04:16,470 --> 01:04:18,900behavior, environmentalsustainability, there you go and100201:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,840accessibility to technology, andapplications. The fact100301:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,990that they even had to do thissurvey tells me and it's just100401:04:24,990 --> 01:04:28,920nothing against Patreon. Theysee the writing on the wall that100501:04:28,980 --> 01:04:33,780lots of companies see this. Thefinancial system is not sound.100601:04:33,930 --> 01:04:35,670People are looking foralternatives.100701:04:36,420 --> 01:04:41,490They call it crypto payments.But yeah, but what they actually100801:04:41,490 --> 01:04:44,700said in the survey when peoplewere looked doing the survey was100901:04:44,940 --> 01:04:48,720web three. Yeah, there you go.Those are completely different101001:04:48,720 --> 01:04:55,860things. Yeah. And so even evenbeyond, you know, given that you101101:04:55,860 --> 01:05:00,780still had 25% of podcasters inthis survey, Booth thought that101201:05:02,100 --> 01:05:06,930crypto payments were crucial ornice to have. That's to me that101301:05:06,930 --> 01:05:08,070was very encouraging.101401:05:08,190 --> 01:05:15,150Absolutely. Yep. Now, we're on agood path here, Oscar Mary, I'm101501:05:15,150 --> 01:05:19,140so happy that you are leadingthe charge. You're you're really101601:05:19,140 --> 01:05:21,870delving deep, and you'redelivering a lot of value with101701:05:21,870 --> 01:05:22,770what you're doing here.101801:05:23,820 --> 01:05:25,650How am I appreciate that?101901:05:26,219 --> 01:05:29,699How much runway? Do you have? Imean, you don't have to divulge102001:05:29,699 --> 01:05:32,489your company secrets to me, butI know that you have some102101:05:32,489 --> 01:05:37,169financing. Can you keep going onfor years? Are you indefinite?102201:05:37,169 --> 01:05:41,519Do you, you know, do you hope tobe making some significant102301:05:41,519 --> 01:05:43,409revenue within a certain time?102401:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,290Yeah, so we've got, we've got apretty good runway, we do have102501:05:49,290 --> 01:05:53,010some funding, and I think we'llbe we'll be around. I mean, it's102601:05:53,010 --> 01:05:56,490growing, this is working, youknow, this is not something that102701:05:57,210 --> 01:06:02,370is precarious. I think it's onlygrowing every month. And I think102801:06:02,700 --> 01:06:06,360the the job that we need to do,obviously, there's the tech that102901:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,230we need to build, and you know,the design of the app, and we're103001:06:10,230 --> 01:06:13,020slowly getting there on all ofthat, but it's just the103101:06:13,020 --> 01:06:16,110education job for podcasters.Really, because at the end of103201:06:16,110 --> 01:06:19,320the day, that's gonna, that'swho is going to grow this,103301:06:19,590 --> 01:06:23,970that's who's gonna grow theusers on fountain and all of the103401:06:23,970 --> 01:06:28,620other podcasting 2.0 apps. So Ithink we're gonna get there. And103501:06:28,620 --> 01:06:32,430I think the features that wehave coming down the road are103601:06:32,430 --> 01:06:35,790going to be really exciting aswell. So like one of the things103701:06:35,790 --> 01:06:39,960that we want to do, and this isa bit of a controversial one is,103801:06:41,010 --> 01:06:44,550obviously the clipping inFountain is a big part of the103901:06:44,550 --> 01:06:48,060app. And it's a big part of whatwe believe in personally,104001:06:48,180 --> 01:06:51,060because we just believe thatthere's incredible insight and104101:06:51,060 --> 01:06:54,690wisdom that's locked away inpodcast. By so often this104201:06:54,690 --> 01:06:58,950happens to me, every week, Ihear about a new podcast, or an104301:06:58,950 --> 01:07:02,550episode. That soundsfascinating, but I just don't104401:07:02,550 --> 01:07:06,750have any time to listen to it.And if I could have somebody104501:07:06,750 --> 01:07:12,600that I follow, who I respect, goand listen to that, and surface104601:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,150and incredible insight for it.Like for me, that's so valuable.104701:07:15,330 --> 01:07:18,450So the clipping is reallyimportant to us. And we want to104801:07:18,450 --> 01:07:23,730evolve it. And we're thinkinghow can we link the clipping to104901:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,700value for value? Yes, yes, yes.podcast is it agree with us,105001:07:29,700 --> 01:07:34,380like podcasters want a way toincentivize their listeners to105101:07:34,380 --> 01:07:38,370create clips, because it's freepromotion for them? Especially105201:07:38,370 --> 01:07:41,970when you have some kind ofsocial connection there. Because105301:07:42,060 --> 01:07:44,670it's not just anyone randomtelling you about the episode.105401:07:44,670 --> 01:07:48,840It's someone that you follow andrespect. So I mean, I would love105501:07:48,840 --> 01:07:55,080to have the ability for fountainusers to boost a clip. And we105601:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,300just need to figure out how wewould do that with the value105701:07:57,300 --> 01:08:02,340block like do we set a defaultlike 50% goes to the user that105801:08:02,340 --> 01:08:05,160created the clip and and theother 50% goes out to the value105901:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,330block? Or do we give the podcasta way to signal in the value106001:08:09,330 --> 01:08:14,490block that they are happy for,you know, some kind of curation106101:08:14,490 --> 01:08:18,450to happen and what split theywould like for curators, I think106201:08:19,020 --> 01:08:21,540that is going to be reallypowerful. And that's what the106301:08:21,540 --> 01:08:24,840podcasters we've spoken toreally want and are excited106401:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,970about. So I'd love to get yourguys's thoughts on that.106501:08:27,960 --> 01:08:35,040Yeah, I've got, you know, wehave this notion of a fee in106601:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,710there, that at the attribute,you can have it you can106701:08:37,710 --> 01:08:41,370designate a split as a fee. AndI wonder if you can also if you106801:08:41,370 --> 01:08:48,000can just designate a split forfor that type of thing. So like106901:08:48,000 --> 01:08:54,480this, like if somebody booststhis, for some sort of ancillary107001:08:54,480 --> 01:08:58,200reason, like clipping orsomething else, like some third107101:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,730party thing, like then, then Iwant that person to get this107201:09:02,730 --> 01:09:07,680much, then because that way,you're saying I value, here's107301:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,730how much I value, like thirdparty promotion or something107401:09:11,730 --> 01:09:19,290like that I'm willing to givethis third party this percentage107501:09:19,620 --> 01:09:26,790of my boost in order to likereward them. You're kind of107601:09:26,790 --> 01:09:29,550putting it back on this as muchas my first thought just my107701:09:29,550 --> 01:09:32,280rough and dirty first thought isyou're sort of putting it back107801:09:32,280 --> 01:09:38,820on the on the podcast or to saya How much do you if somebody if107901:09:38,820 --> 01:09:42,240somebody promotes your show, howmuch do you want to give give up108001:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,850to them? Because some people mayit may be different some people108101:09:44,850 --> 01:09:47,970may actually value that a lotand say you know you can keep108201:09:47,970 --> 01:09:49,410100% of that list108301:09:49,590 --> 01:09:54,090as a as a podcaster. Who doesthis already? Here's here's108401:09:54,120 --> 01:10:00,570here's how I would probably liketo do that. And I understand108501:10:00,570 --> 01:10:03,300where you're coming from Oscarwhere they'd be great if anybody108601:10:03,300 --> 01:10:08,640can create a clip and then andthen get a get a split for it.108701:10:09,390 --> 01:10:12,060And I'm not quite sure. I wasjust thinking, how would you108801:10:12,060 --> 01:10:17,910make that work? Currently, forsome shows, I mean, I have108901:10:17,910 --> 01:10:23,550multiple 5% recipients, noagenda, which we don't take any,109001:10:23,580 --> 01:10:27,090no agenda doesn't take any ofthe money itself. It goes to109101:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,380people who are in the splits.And the clip custodian who109201:10:31,620 --> 01:10:36,180delivers, you know, anywherefrom 10 to 20 clips per show,109301:10:36,630 --> 01:10:40,530which are perfectly guys anexpert, you know, I was giving109401:10:40,530 --> 01:10:45,900him 10% I just recently uppedthat to 20. Now, and so, for me,109501:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,560it's more like, instead ofletting the audience loose on109601:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,150it, I prefer to say, Okay, thisperson's good. You're, you know,109701:10:54,930 --> 01:10:58,410we want to do this very soon.Once Once we can spin up wallets109801:10:58,410 --> 01:11:02,310quicker. We have fresh album artfor no agenda, I want to right109901:11:02,310 --> 01:11:05,160away be able to put the out, youknow, the the artists should be110001:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,060able to get a split from thatepisode. So these are all things110101:11:09,060 --> 01:11:13,170that feels natural to me for thepodcast, or to control it versus110201:11:13,500 --> 01:11:19,290a third party. But that's justme.110301:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,830Well, that that's, that sort offits with with the concept.110401:11:25,830 --> 01:11:29,820Yeah, cuz you you could just putin a general split those like,110501:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,600maybe it's not even, you know,maybe it's not even Oh, there's110601:11:33,630 --> 01:11:37,680there's an idea. So what if youhave a promotion split? Yeah,110701:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,990that but somehow it's an aliasor something that it? So that110801:11:42,990 --> 01:11:46,200split? It says, Okay, where didthis come from? Oh, it came from110901:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,290here. That's this wallet. Imean, I'm now I'm making up111001:11:49,290 --> 01:11:53,160stuff that I can't develop. Butyou know, when it's a pre111101:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,230designated thing, something likethat.111201:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,070That's a good that, yeah, thisis an interesting problem,111301:11:59,070 --> 01:11:59,280because111401:11:59,789 --> 01:12:02,549I just I just don't want peoplemaking shit clips just to get111501:12:02,549 --> 01:12:05,219paid. You know, that's, that'sthe problem.111601:12:05,820 --> 01:12:08,670Well, it's go ahead last year,111701:12:09,330 --> 01:12:13,560I think it wouldn't be. So Idefinitely don't see it as111801:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,580linked to the payments that arealready going out through the111901:12:17,580 --> 01:12:22,770episode. I see as separate tothat. So it wouldn't be like, if112001:12:22,770 --> 01:12:28,080you created a clip, you wouldn'tget paid automatically. From the112101:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,080people that are alreadystreaming to the episode or112201:12:31,080 --> 01:12:35,220boosting the episode, it wouldbe separate to that. And so in112301:12:35,220 --> 01:12:39,510order to get paid for creating aclip, someone else would have to112401:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,220listen to that clip, value thatclip and actively choose to112501:12:44,250 --> 01:12:49,140boost that clip. So I think thatthere wouldn't be a spam112601:12:49,140 --> 01:12:51,120problem. In fact, it would bethe opposite, you would112701:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,650incentivize very high qualityclips, because people would be112801:12:55,650 --> 01:12:59,640able to earn from creating them.So I think it would have to be112901:12:59,670 --> 01:13:00,060like,113001:13:00,390 --> 01:13:03,360Okay, this is very interesting.Oscar, let me just play this113101:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,500back to you. So you're sayingis, so what makes it clip? It is113201:13:07,500 --> 01:13:12,210its own entity unto itself, andyou reverse the process. And you113301:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,740and although I still think thepodcaster should be in charge of113401:13:16,740 --> 01:13:21,810what that person gets, but thenthey they are the main113501:13:21,810 --> 01:13:27,270recipient? Possibly. So let'ssay 50%, I think would be too113601:13:27,270 --> 01:13:31,230much. But you know, could be20%. And the rest would go to113701:13:31,230 --> 01:13:34,530the podcast or so could youhave? Could you, you almost make113801:13:34,530 --> 01:13:37,740a feed of clips. Really, whenyou think about it. Yeah. Yeah,113901:13:37,770 --> 01:13:41,130you almost want to just createan RSS feed that somehow was114001:13:41,130 --> 01:13:46,350associated with with the mainfeed just for internal purposes.114101:13:46,470 --> 01:13:50,940So we know what the hell it is.But, you know, even though that114201:13:50,940 --> 01:13:54,030will display as clipseverywhere, it has the same114301:13:54,030 --> 01:13:56,820mechanism is the podcast is thatwhat you're saying? Only it's114401:13:56,820 --> 01:14:01,020reversed. Are you saying thatthe person who clips is in114501:14:01,020 --> 01:14:03,960charge of the splits? Or is itno split?114601:14:05,130 --> 01:14:08,310I think I think it has to beseparate from the episodes.114701:14:08,340 --> 01:14:10,860That's the first thing and Iagree with you that the podcast114801:14:10,860 --> 01:14:15,090that has to be in control ofwhere the money goes. I think114901:14:15,090 --> 01:14:20,340the difficulty is, you know, ifit's on the RSS feed, it gets115001:14:20,340 --> 01:14:24,360back to this problem of we can'tdo anything without the hosts115101:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,580limits the ideas that we haveand experiments that we can run.115201:14:30,390 --> 01:14:34,050So I think like an easy way todo it would be right now in the115301:14:34,050 --> 01:14:38,490value block. We have valuerecipients, which all of the115401:14:38,490 --> 01:14:42,630apps know how to pass and theyknow how to pay. We could just115501:14:42,780 --> 01:14:48,750create a different tag that goesin now like a like a curator115601:14:49,020 --> 01:14:53,400tag, and they get the samething. Yep. And so that won't115701:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,420affect the existing streamingpayments that won't affect the115801:14:57,420 --> 01:15:00,960existing booths because the appwill actually have to make a115901:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,440conscious decision to recognizethe new tag. And so let's say116001:15:04,440 --> 01:15:09,750it's a curator tag, then if ifan app sees the curator tag,116101:15:09,780 --> 01:15:13,860they can see the percentage thatthe podcast that has given that116201:15:13,860 --> 01:15:17,970blessing to. And so if anyonecurates anything from that116301:15:17,970 --> 01:15:23,550episode or show, we the apps canallow that user to get paid.116401:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,740Yeah, I like it. So you, youcould have something called116501:15:28,740 --> 01:15:32,040let's just say a new tag withinthe value block called podcast116601:15:32,040 --> 01:15:36,510colon value share, or something.And then it would be like a type116701:15:36,510 --> 01:15:40,320attribute of, you know, somesomething if we wanted to get116801:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,840that granular with it and havedifferent because you want to,116901:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,820when you're when you'remodifying the spec, you want to117001:15:44,820 --> 01:15:47,520future proof it enough to say,Okay, well, would this is the117101:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,210one thing we came up with, wherewould this one idea where people117201:15:51,210 --> 01:15:56,100could do this thing. But there'spotentially other ways that117301:15:56,100 --> 01:15:59,310somebody could also do somethingsimilar. And we might want to117401:15:59,310 --> 01:16:01,860tweak that behavior a littlebit. So you want to make it117501:16:01,860 --> 01:16:05,340flexible enough, where if youhad a value share tag or117601:16:05,340 --> 01:16:08,220something like that with a typeattribute, and then just a117701:16:08,220 --> 01:16:13,410split, like just just say, splitequals 20? For, you know, 20%,117801:16:13,650 --> 01:16:17,100it would essentially operatelike the theta like the fee117901:16:17,100 --> 01:16:21,720attribute and interesting, yeah.Where you say, okay, whatever118001:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,070the amount is, here's the,here's the, the straight up118101:16:26,070 --> 01:16:31,980percentage, that the boost thatthe clip Creator God, and then118201:16:32,010 --> 01:16:36,600all the rest of it goes in feedsinto as an input into the value118301:16:36,630 --> 01:16:41,550into standard value blog. Doesthat sound something like what118401:16:41,550 --> 01:16:42,030you're thinking?118501:16:42,510 --> 01:16:45,180Yeah, yeah, exactly. Somethinglike that. And yeah, it's118601:16:45,180 --> 01:16:48,630challenging. I think the namingso important, is challenging to118701:16:48,660 --> 01:16:51,870get it right. But something likethat would just, I think there's118801:16:51,870 --> 01:16:55,830so much creativity that can beunlocked from that, and the118901:16:55,830 --> 01:17:00,510ability to see, you know, whatwe offer right now in the119001:17:00,510 --> 01:17:04,110podcast, that wallet, which isyou can see which episodes were119101:17:04,110 --> 01:17:07,500boosted the most. And as we hadsome podcasters on there over119201:17:07,500 --> 01:17:10,650the past, like, four or fivemonths now, it's actually really119301:17:10,650 --> 01:17:15,090interesting that they can seeoh, this episode, is by far the119401:17:15,090 --> 01:17:19,800standout in terms of how muchvalue that I received from my119501:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,710listeners, what, you know, howdid I frame the message on that119601:17:22,710 --> 01:17:26,580episode? Who is the guest? Whatdid we talk about? That's really119701:17:26,580 --> 01:17:29,550interesting, you can do the samething with clips, if you119801:17:29,549 --> 01:17:32,849don't really drill down on that.So you can see what time a boost119901:17:32,849 --> 01:17:35,069was sent within within theepisode.120001:17:35,940 --> 01:17:39,360Not yet. But that's where we'dlike to get to is just to give120101:17:39,360 --> 01:17:44,040more more granularity and moreinteresting, more interesting120201:17:44,040 --> 01:17:44,520inside,120301:17:44,610 --> 01:17:48,360I really, I really like youridea of linking the Eclipse to120401:17:48,540 --> 01:17:52,950the value for value. And I thinkthat is probably one of the main120501:17:52,950 --> 01:17:59,670reasons why Eclipse hasn'treally taken off. Of course,120601:17:59,670 --> 01:18:04,140Eclipse are used everywhere. SoI'm trying to couch that in you120701:18:04,140 --> 01:18:08,670know what that means. But youadd that element to it. Oh, my120801:18:08,670 --> 01:18:11,130goodness, I think that willreally propel the whole class.120901:18:11,190 --> 01:18:15,420Now it makes sense to dosomething besides just voting.121001:18:15,450 --> 01:18:16,950You know, I'd like that.121101:18:17,459 --> 01:18:20,459And also, one other thing that Ialways think about with121201:18:20,459 --> 01:18:24,479podcasting is the backcatalogue. Like that gives an121301:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,319incentive for listeners thatlove a show to actually go back121401:18:28,319 --> 01:18:31,439to the back catalogue, and tryand find like, really cool clips121501:18:31,439 --> 01:18:36,329that people that are new to thatshow won't have ever they won't,121601:18:36,359 --> 01:18:38,459they won't have had time to goback and listen to the back121701:18:38,459 --> 01:18:43,289catalogue. But, you know, here'sa clip from two years ago on121801:18:43,289 --> 01:18:46,079this show that, you know,everyone that comes to this121901:18:46,079 --> 01:18:49,049show, as a new listener shouldlisten to, because it provides a122001:18:49,049 --> 01:18:52,829lot of framing for what we talkabout, you know, the in jokes,122101:18:52,829 --> 01:18:56,129stuff like that. So I think itcan help unlock the back122201:18:56,129 --> 01:18:58,919catalogue as well, which ispersonally just is a really122301:18:58,919 --> 01:19:01,349interesting concept aroundpodcasting is that the back122401:19:01,349 --> 01:19:04,109catalogue, just gets bigger andbigger and bigger, and there's122501:19:04,109 --> 01:19:06,389never any time to go back to it.122601:19:07,140 --> 01:19:11,130Yeah, I don't remember we've gotthis show ad for episode 84. I122701:19:11,130 --> 01:19:13,950have no idea what I said onepisode 82.122801:19:14,070 --> 01:19:16,290I do because I have thetranscript the searchable.122901:19:16,860 --> 01:19:19,380Yes. Oh, he flex.123001:19:20,790 --> 01:19:24,480I use transcripts so often forgoing back and finding something123101:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,320in a podcast.123201:19:25,500 --> 01:19:27,720And this is another thing likeif you could link it to the123301:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,840transcript, and you'd need to bea hosting provider to do this.123401:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,530But if and then it links intochapters. And if you can bring123501:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,940all of this together so that theuser that or the wants to go123601:19:38,940 --> 01:19:41,610back they'd be able to thetranscript chapters, boosts123701:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,920clips, you know, everything.123801:19:45,090 --> 01:19:48,330Here's the thing about clips. Ihave a couple of thoughts about123901:19:48,330 --> 01:19:52,650clips. I think there are and Iunderstand what you're saying,124001:19:52,650 --> 01:19:57,030Adam, you're you said that clipshave really never taken off even124101:19:57,030 --> 01:20:00,600though a lot of people have doneYes, sure. And in a I think the124201:20:00,630 --> 01:20:05,970sense there is that there are alot of clips have been tried and124301:20:05,970 --> 01:20:10,920done many, many times in manyways. But there's never been124401:20:10,920 --> 01:20:15,210sort of like this massive takeoff where clips where this one124501:20:16,350 --> 01:20:22,770group has found a way to justmake clips. Just take off like a124601:20:22,770 --> 01:20:28,350rocket. And I think it may bebecause clips sort of exist in124701:20:28,350 --> 01:20:34,530two at two levels, you have thething that you're talking about124801:20:34,530 --> 01:20:38,970Oscar where you have sort oflike a social discovery124901:20:38,970 --> 01:20:44,070mechanism of a clip where youwhere somebody shares a clip125001:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,090with you and I, hey, listen tothis show. And then that's for125101:20:48,090 --> 01:20:50,280your sort of, like personaldiscovery or personal125201:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,840edification. And you have thisother level that clips exist.125301:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,920And that's sort of that socialmedia viral level, where you're125401:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,330intending not to just share itwith one person, but you're125501:21:03,330 --> 01:21:07,980intending it to become a memealmost, right. And like the,125601:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,820the, the problem with the socialsharing of, of clips, the viral125701:21:14,820 --> 01:21:20,910sharing, is that you don't wesee it on things like Tiktok,125801:21:20,940 --> 01:21:24,840and Instagram, where it has,there has to be a currency125901:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,600involved, there has to be somesort of like, you have to have126001:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,850this big follower account, ittakes a lot to build up to the126101:21:29,850 --> 01:21:34,140point where sharing that, liketakes is worth the time and126201:21:34,140 --> 01:21:37,830effort for you to do that. Andthen there's on the social side126301:21:37,830 --> 01:21:41,100of things. If you're not, ifit's not the potential to go126401:21:41,100 --> 01:21:46,830viral, and get you some sort ofincome in return, then really,126501:21:46,920 --> 01:21:52,680the effort involved of clippingis too much. Because even though126601:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,700clipping has been made easier,it's still a lot of tedious work126701:21:56,700 --> 01:22:00,690to get the timestamps, rightpull those in then clip it out.126801:22:01,110 --> 01:22:04,410The the social aspect that westarted with, I mean, the only126901:22:04,800 --> 01:22:09,870reward you get if you make aYouTube clip, is how many people127001:22:09,870 --> 01:22:14,610viewed it or likes etc. Yeah, wereally don't have that in127101:22:14,610 --> 01:22:17,820podcast clips. There's noThere's no reward mechanism.127201:22:17,820 --> 01:22:22,950There's no dopamine hit. Sohaving that reflected in127301:22:22,950 --> 01:22:26,310Satoshis There you go. That'sall you need. That's, that's,127401:22:26,340 --> 01:22:29,130that's fine. That's thedopamine. That's the social127501:22:29,130 --> 01:22:31,680currency. And Oh, guess what,it's real currency.127601:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,260Yeah, and if and if you add evenif you could even make it more127701:22:37,260 --> 01:22:40,650dopamine, if you could take thedopamine and turn it up to 11127801:22:42,390 --> 01:22:47,880and say, the not only gettingSATs, but there's leaderboards127901:22:47,880 --> 01:22:53,850and now you've now you've gotthe viral thing going on top of128001:22:53,850 --> 01:22:57,180the money thing. I think I thinkit can be doable and I think128101:22:57,180 --> 01:23:00,720this is the honestly I thinkthis what you're talking about128201:23:00,720 --> 01:23:05,250Oscars the only way to makeclipping take off. Yeah. In a128301:23:05,250 --> 01:23:05,760big way.128401:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,570Oscars the Oscars muted himselfagain, that's illegal. Illegal.128501:23:13,350 --> 01:23:13,800Illegal.128601:23:15,690 --> 01:23:19,650Yeah. Anyway, that's, that's,that's my thoughts. I don't see128701:23:19,650 --> 01:23:23,880any other way that clippingbecomes becomes the sensation128801:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,360that we think it can be without,without that reward mechanism128901:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,150there. It's just too hard. No.129001:23:31,230 --> 01:23:35,550Well, I'm very excited about allthese features. And I see you I129101:23:35,550 --> 01:23:40,080mean, I see your vision Oscar, Ireally do I see it. And, and,129201:23:40,110 --> 01:23:42,840and obviously, the hope is thatall these cool things you put129301:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,110together, you know, be great ifthey if they feed back the129401:23:46,110 --> 01:23:48,990information can work in otherapps. That's fantastic.129501:23:48,990 --> 01:23:51,930Definitely. That's fantastic.Oh, yeah, for sure. And we can129601:23:52,230 --> 01:23:54,600you know, as long as we canfigure all of that out we129701:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,550definitely want to do that andyou know, as a as a podcaster.129801:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,190You take your clips with youjust like you take your episodes129901:24:02,190 --> 01:24:06,000with exactly. So yeah,definitely supportive that130001:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,560this is a value for valueproject. Those of you listening130101:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,130those Hello, chat room. Bye,everybody. People have been130201:24:14,130 --> 01:24:16,680boosting live which has beengood to see we've got the boost130301:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,470bot hooked up. Oh, no, I guesswe don't I guess since we130401:24:19,470 --> 01:24:23,880changed the feed. Well, we hadthe boost bot. But the feed was130501:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,810lit for a while. So this we aredoing this live and then we're130601:24:27,810 --> 01:24:31,350running with scissors. You heardthat earlier. As part of the130701:24:31,350 --> 01:24:34,980manifesto that I'm working on, Iwill be explaining how to ask130801:24:35,010 --> 01:24:38,730for people to support whatyou're doing. That's all you130901:24:38,730 --> 01:24:42,150have to do is talk about itapparently in a pew pew show. So131001:24:42,420 --> 01:24:46,500how to ask is it's reallyincredibly important. Our ask131101:24:46,500 --> 01:24:49,800for this show is pretty simple.Everybody can see the results131201:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,350right there at the index. Youcan see the work that's being131301:24:52,350 --> 01:24:57,570done and the end liquiditythat's being provided and we're131401:24:57,570 --> 01:25:02,010very very pleased you know, theThe we're healthy we're moving131501:25:02,010 --> 01:25:05,760forward because people are veryconsistent so keep it going keep131601:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,780on boosting keep on sending usFiat fun coupons we I would like131701:25:09,780 --> 01:25:15,300to thank a couple people to getit started off little Stanley in131801:25:15,300 --> 01:25:20,070our blood there that's your cue,Dave. Oh,131901:25:20,070 --> 01:25:21,930I thought you said I would liketo thanks, man. I thought you132001:25:21,930 --> 01:25:23,670had a list I didn't have Oh no.132101:25:24,180 --> 01:25:26,970Well, you know what, why don't Irun quickly through the live132201:25:26,970 --> 01:25:33,840booster grams. Okay. 2000 fromsee Brooklyn. One 112 Thank you132301:25:33,840 --> 01:25:40,500for your courage. We have cottongin tonic. This ESG stuff sounds132401:25:40,500 --> 01:25:45,600depressingly less awesome with9999 set 10,000 from boost132501:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,170brewery shout out to Mitch forgetting BTS lit in pod verse132601:25:49,170 --> 01:25:52,020last Monday night yes pod versenow also doing the live item132701:25:52,020 --> 01:25:55,140tag. Shout out to Oscar andfountain for playing gifs in the132801:25:55,140 --> 01:26:01,680chapter art go VHS effects gochapter's go podcasting. Go132901:26:01,680 --> 01:26:07,170everything. Yes, Cotton GinTonic and other 9999. Let's see133001:26:07,170 --> 01:26:11,040we have Carolyn, that that was8888 from her hug story133101:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,350question. Thanks for Spencer foryour 3333 and your 6960 nines, a133201:26:16,350 --> 01:26:20,730couple of them. Another row ofeights for podcasting. 2.0 says133301:26:20,730 --> 01:26:24,420Carolyn 8888. I enjoy usingfountain question for Oscar will133401:26:24,420 --> 01:26:27,690be the wave. Will there be a wayfor podcasters to control their133501:26:27,690 --> 01:26:31,500presence on fountain? I'm notquite sure what she means. What133601:26:31,500 --> 01:26:32,940does that mean? Do you knowOscar?133701:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,800Yeah, I think it probably meansthis is something that we've133801:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,750heard a few times, which is wehave profiles on fountain. But133901:26:42,750 --> 01:26:46,890right now if you have claimed apodcast, your profile doesn't134001:26:46,890 --> 01:26:52,050look any different. Okay, thisuser is the host of this show.134101:26:52,470 --> 01:26:55,710Got it? Yeah, that's somethingdefinitely look to add soon.134201:26:56,280 --> 01:27:01,350Excellent. Fletcher. 5555 saysyou can't beat freshly made134301:27:01,350 --> 01:27:07,470sausage and sweaty butt cracks.That's right. Servo with 1000134401:27:07,470 --> 01:27:12,210SATs live item shot HSMAI vitam.Yes. Chad Pharaoh says there was134501:27:12,210 --> 01:27:16,8903333 This feels like a realboard meeting. Yes, yes. What do134601:27:16,890 --> 01:27:21,180you mean feels like it isn'treal board meeting? And let's134701:27:21,180 --> 01:27:23,970see. Yeah, and then the restcame in before the show.134801:27:24,299 --> 01:27:31,619Alabama we call this won't butyou know, within two minutes.134901:27:32,220 --> 01:27:35,880Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can haveit in Alabama or in Texas if135001:27:35,880 --> 01:27:40,800you're editing live code. Yes.And both results in the same.135101:27:40,890 --> 01:27:43,350Thank you all very much. Keepboosting us with a modern135201:27:43,350 --> 01:27:45,630podcast app new podcast.apps.com.135301:27:45,990 --> 01:27:52,110We have no individual Pay Paldonations. We had a good week135401:27:52,110 --> 01:27:55,920last week so expected to falloff but sad puppy, but that's135501:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,930okay, we have some monthlies.I'll do the monthlies. First. We135601:28:00,930 --> 01:28:06,630have Scott Jalbert $12 ThanksScott. Chad Pharaoh $20. the135701:28:06,630 --> 01:28:11,010ever present Chad PharaohLoretta Vandenberg. Is that a135801:28:11,010 --> 01:28:17,520Dutch name? Yeah, could be okay.Sounds Dutch Yeah. Mark as135901:28:17,550 --> 01:28:26,670Loretta gave $10 Mark Graham $1.David meet us $10 Hope love and136001:28:26,670 --> 01:28:30,000lit to David meet us for hisdaughter has skateboard136101:28:30,000 --> 01:28:30,420accidents.136201:28:30,450 --> 01:28:31,200Oh no.136301:28:31,380 --> 01:28:33,960Yes. All things with wheels cankill you.136401:28:33,990 --> 01:28:35,520Yes. Is she okay?136501:28:36,540 --> 01:28:39,810I think so. He says she's she'sgonna be get bruised136601:28:39,810 --> 01:28:42,480and cut I've had many skateboardaccident.136701:28:44,190 --> 01:28:51,060Boris Boris kudelski $1 andJoseph maraca $5 Jeremy new $5136801:28:51,060 --> 01:28:57,270and Cameron Rose $25 good timeto say that just remind136901:28:57,270 --> 01:29:03,060everybody that the $125 for Tshirts if you want a t shirt is137001:29:03,270 --> 01:29:06,300donation because we we get thatsorted out now we get the t137101:29:06,300 --> 01:29:13,320shirt thing back in business. Wegot some moose from and you can137201:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,650tell me if I repeat a boost thatwas live last week. I think I137301:29:16,650 --> 01:29:20,430don't think I've got the timingright. Okay, okay. Hard Hat137401:29:20,610 --> 01:29:28,950gives the road ducks 2222through curio caster he says try137501:29:28,950 --> 01:29:29,640six.137601:29:30,660 --> 01:29:33,450Okay, I'll try six. I'll tryseven.137701:29:36,690 --> 01:29:42,600Roy scheinfeld Our buddy 54,321SATs. Yay.137801:29:42,600 --> 01:29:48,480See the big baller. II see a bigballer for today. Big boost.137901:29:48,480 --> 01:29:49,350Thank you, Roy.138001:29:50,610 --> 01:29:52,140Yes, he is the baller138101:29:53,400 --> 01:29:59,730shot caller 20 blades on himpower boost boost. Nice you Roy138201:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,600pinata138301:30:00,810 --> 01:30:04,530big baller today get an honoraryDevorah check. Yeah,138401:30:04,950 --> 01:30:05,820we don't mess around.138501:30:07,529 --> 01:30:14,429And it's just a big it's a bigrow of, of emoji that my email138601:30:14,459 --> 01:30:19,769client refuses to parse. I don'tknow what what he actually sent.138701:30:21,449 --> 01:30:26,219I gotta figure that out. Oh,Carolyn, this must be Carolyn138801:30:26,219 --> 01:30:30,929from Hawk story. Row ducks. 2222through fountain. There you go,138901:30:30,929 --> 01:30:32,009Oscar. Very nice.139001:30:32,640 --> 01:30:39,150Throw out some rubber ducks.Steven B is all bummed out on139101:30:39,150 --> 01:30:42,900the mastodon. No, don't worry.It's just been an embarrassing139201:30:42,900 --> 01:30:48,990day. Sorry for all the extrawork now. To do you gave us 20139301:30:48,990 --> 01:30:51,360minutes of free content toappreciate it139401:30:51,750 --> 01:30:59,010cannot buddy. This in the chat,duck ducks and emoji ducks in139501:30:59,010 --> 01:31:02,580emoji action. Okay, there again.I cannot interpret my emojis139601:31:02,580 --> 01:31:08,250here so sorry. Currently, thisis a problem. Yeah. Hard Hat139701:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,010back with more dogs. 2222 is day139801:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,920holy crap. I gotta be hittin theDuck Hunt map139901:31:18,930 --> 01:31:24,780each just keep that just hit. f5just refresh. Yeah. 4400 sets140001:31:24,810 --> 01:31:29,850from Sir dog. And he just saysboost. Yeah. Boost. And that's140101:31:29,850 --> 01:31:35,280through fountain. What how's itfeel? Oscar. It's pretty. It's140201:31:35,280 --> 01:31:39,300pretty awesome to see. Like allthese booths coming in from, you140301:31:39,300 --> 01:31:41,790know, from your app and knowingthat this stuff originates with140401:31:41,790 --> 01:31:43,290tech that you build in that fun.140501:31:44,460 --> 01:31:47,130It's really fun. Yeah, I mean,it's great to hear the booth on140601:31:47,130 --> 01:31:50,970the show. But I mean, meetingpeople in person as well. That140701:31:50,970 --> 01:31:55,620was the best out in Bitcoin,Miami. You know, just a couple140801:31:55,620 --> 01:31:59,070of people. I was just standingin line next to and told them140901:31:59,070 --> 01:32:03,510what I did. Oh, yeah, fountain.Yeah, I use that. Good feeling.141001:32:04,230 --> 01:32:08,100And yeah, I mean, ultimately, Ijust love listening to podcasts141101:32:08,100 --> 01:32:12,090anyway. So I'm doing this forme, basically. But it's just141201:32:12,090 --> 01:32:13,590good that other people enjoy it,too.141301:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,340Yeah, yeah. That's, that's whatI always try to tell people141401:32:17,340 --> 01:32:20,550about developer motivations.Developer motivations are really141501:32:20,550 --> 01:32:22,890simple. Obviously, we got tohave food, the food on the141601:32:22,890 --> 01:32:29,250table. Really pizzas, that's itnew. And Mountain Dew may be141701:32:29,250 --> 01:32:32,940more important than, than makinga living. And this is embodied141801:32:32,940 --> 01:32:37,380in the open source world is thesatisfaction of building141901:32:37,380 --> 01:32:42,420something and seeing peopleenjoy using it that that is a142001:32:42,420 --> 01:32:44,070pretty big reward in and ofitself.142101:32:44,280 --> 01:32:48,210And I can tell you from the fromthe daily statistics that the142201:32:48,210 --> 01:32:54,540number one sat sending app isfountain. Yeah, and that's142301:32:54,540 --> 01:32:59,910always followed by breeze orcurio caster or cast. ematic142401:32:59,910 --> 01:33:02,280which I think Dave you've beenusing Casper Matic Haven't you142501:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,360Dave? Yeah, yeah, I can tell Ican tell when you're using142601:33:06,360 --> 01:33:07,260custom Matic142701:33:08,340 --> 01:33:09,750bounce around the church. Oh,142801:33:09,750 --> 01:33:13,140I bounced around all the time toI'm using everything. Including142901:33:14,520 --> 01:33:19,230kill your FM synth 5000 SATsthrough fountain says Whoa,143001:33:19,230 --> 01:33:22,320thanks for the mention guys. I'menjoying drinking from the fire143101:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,710hose. Association of musicpodcasting has since been143201:33:25,710 --> 01:33:29,010retired, but it was originallyfounded in 2006 to represent143301:33:29,010 --> 01:33:32,880both independent artists andpodsafe music, as well as the143401:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,660podcasters promoting and playingthem sort of a beacon for both143501:33:36,660 --> 01:33:40,320artists and podcasters to rallyaround the way podcasting 2.0 is143601:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,470shaping up, maybe a similarorganization could be a valuable143701:33:43,470 --> 01:33:46,320resource. Thanks for everythingyou're doing. Well, you're143801:33:46,320 --> 01:33:46,680welcome.143901:33:46,890 --> 01:33:50,130Oh, I think this is going tohappen. I'm not sure how it's144001:33:50,130 --> 01:33:52,530going to form or what's going tohappen but we're going to need144101:33:52,650 --> 01:33:55,860we're going to have a version ofpodsafe music it'll be value for144201:33:55,860 --> 01:34:00,690value or whatever. And therewill be education resources,144301:34:00,690 --> 01:34:04,230necessary apps all kinds ofstuff, but there's demand out144401:34:04,230 --> 01:34:05,730there. You can feel iteverywhere.144501:34:06,270 --> 01:34:08,220Well, Spencer is going to do itor die trying.144601:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,080Yeah, exactly. Exactly.144701:34:10,890 --> 01:34:18,390Dirty Jersey whore. Okay 1000through fountain What do you let144801:34:18,390 --> 01:34:19,710people like that on fountain?144901:34:19,980 --> 01:34:22,560They're really You gotta yougotta moderate that shit145001:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,200brother. Yeah, that this ishorrible.145101:34:25,590 --> 01:34:30,120Yeah, I'm gonna let I'm gonnalet Janka Whitner this. He just145201:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,540bought a box of meats from KFCcattle using my Umbral bone145301:34:33,540 --> 01:34:34,710broth boost. Oh,145401:34:34,710 --> 01:34:37,290yeah. Boost Nice.145501:34:38,370 --> 01:34:41,550That's That's your new venture,right? Yeah, yes.145601:34:41,580 --> 01:34:46,050Yes. I have bought a ranch andI'm, I'm boxing up meat as what145701:34:46,050 --> 01:34:49,170I'm doing these days. I'm sohappy KNC cattle, they're from145801:34:49,170 --> 01:34:53,040Austin. They are part of thebeef initiative, which is Texas145901:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,930slims entire push who came outof retirement to teach people146001:34:57,930 --> 01:35:03,390about food again and and how itall originates from the seed and146101:35:03,390 --> 01:35:07,350what real pure beef is and whatit what it does and what it146201:35:07,350 --> 01:35:10,350doesn't do and and they haveconnected everybody through146301:35:10,350 --> 01:35:16,290Bitcoin. So here you can see KNCcattle bought using my Umbral146401:35:17,250 --> 01:35:20,280yeah, that's, that's a bit coinpurchase right there and146501:35:20,490 --> 01:35:21,450couldn't be happier.146601:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,250So I didn't have time to printthese out. So I'm reading I'm146701:35:26,250 --> 01:35:33,000doing them through my email. Andthe the way my email window is146801:35:33,030 --> 01:35:36,960configured at the moment is kindof scrunched up on the on the146901:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,640thing and you'll have a look upto two emails above where I'm at147001:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,870right now. The subject line iscut off and it says the art CEO147101:35:45,870 --> 01:35:51,060is very high. If I expand it,this is very high on podcasting,147201:35:51,060 --> 01:35:54,540but there's when I first saysOh, all right. I didn't know147301:35:54,540 --> 01:35:59,130that about him. Sir Shauna theAllegheny Valley says 2500 SAS147401:35:59,130 --> 01:36:02,910through cast ematic speaking ofhe says, boosting the bots147501:36:03,150 --> 01:36:08,910are Yo Yo yo yo, here's your cueto boost you know, you want to147601:36:11,040 --> 01:36:17,310vache the A ke soon as 400 SASthrough fountain. He says he or147701:36:17,310 --> 01:36:20,280she says testing out the boostfeature. It works to Graham.147801:36:21,330 --> 01:36:26,790Test successful CASP eland 3690through fountain and he says147901:36:26,790 --> 01:36:27,630thanks for the show.148001:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,160No complaint UCaaS148101:36:30,720 --> 01:36:35,7604848 SATs through from comicstrip blogger through fountain148201:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,810and he says returning back here3333 Plus tiny bonus. Oh yeah.148301:36:39,930 --> 01:36:41,550Regular. What is this about?148401:36:41,940 --> 01:36:45,900Well, he, he he was this is thetest that we did. He said, Hey,148501:36:46,290 --> 01:36:50,010fountain I have now acsb@fountain.fm address, but148601:36:50,010 --> 01:36:53,790it's only for fountain. And Iwent No it's not. And I sent and148701:36:53,790 --> 01:36:58,920I sent him 3333 From breeze tohis fountain address. That's how148801:36:58,920 --> 01:37:03,930I know that it works quite well.Widely. And so you didn't use148901:37:03,930 --> 01:37:06,810comics, your blogger Thank youdo not have to send it back. But149001:37:07,440 --> 01:37:08,430thanks. We'll take it.149101:37:09,030 --> 01:37:12,720I'll send regular tin oh three,three next week to meaning of149201:37:12,750 --> 01:37:16,0804848 equal phone prefix inPoland.149301:37:16,290 --> 01:37:17,670Okay. All right. Nice.149401:37:19,110 --> 01:37:21,810Thanks, chemistry. Another onefrom chemistry. comes through149501:37:21,810 --> 01:37:25,410blog races just returning yoursecond 3333 meaning of 48 Poland149601:37:25,410 --> 01:37:29,430country code. I have plenty ofcash to send me anything. Oh,149701:37:29,490 --> 01:37:30,060unless you want to149801:37:30,060 --> 01:37:32,940test stuff. No, just send usmore. Thank you. Yeah, just keep149901:37:32,940 --> 01:37:34,530doing it. Keep sending refresh.150001:37:37,500 --> 01:37:44,850Lyceum 1776 So that's that's theLiberty boost. Yep, yep. Through150101:37:44,850 --> 01:37:49,950fountain and he says my firstboost. Great, awesome. Boost.150201:37:51,870 --> 01:37:56,520Another 7770 76 He says Adambest premises with a value for150301:37:56,520 --> 01:38:02,820value manifesto. Okay, thank youworking on it. Oh, there's Dave150401:38:02,820 --> 01:38:07,830Jackson. There. Yeah. Dave Yeah.7777 through cast Matic and he150501:38:07,830 --> 01:38:09,060says styler boost.150601:38:10,080 --> 01:38:17,400Nice. Also a Christian boost Ilearned recently 7770 sevens is150701:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,520all good Christian numbers I'vebeen per line I'm informed the150801:38:20,520 --> 01:38:21,150perfect number150901:38:22,230 --> 01:38:27,000floydian slips send us 2000 SATsthrough fountain and he says151001:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,200paying forward the SATs fountainpaid me paying forward this at151101:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,620fountain paid me for using theapp. Thanks Dave. Adam and151201:38:34,620 --> 01:38:38,520Oscar. Oh cool. Well, we'll getthe band together. So there you151301:38:38,520 --> 01:38:45,120go. Yeah. See at 93 says fromRed Bull. This through breeze.151401:38:45,450 --> 01:38:49,320He says at 93 US Navy ChiefPetty Officer moved from cert151501:38:49,320 --> 01:38:54,360twin screw still loving the showrusty WFE web for BSD151601:38:57,450 --> 01:38:59,130twin screw nice151701:38:59,550 --> 01:39:06,240do we have what we had a D whatdo we have? It wasn't the do151801:39:06,240 --> 01:39:06,540shows?151901:39:07,620 --> 01:39:08,820Oh didn't know we have d152001:39:12,060 --> 01:39:15,270defragmented that's it? Yes,yes. Yes. Do we need to152101:39:15,270 --> 01:39:16,290defragment Yeah, well152201:39:16,289 --> 01:39:19,079those people officer yes peopleboost for the first time you152301:39:19,079 --> 01:39:21,329want to get a D fragmenting.We're here for you.152401:39:22,140 --> 01:39:32,940Se OTT Skylane Yeah. says gopodcast 2.0 That was 10,420152501:39:32,940 --> 01:39:33,360SATs.152601:39:33,390 --> 01:39:36,510Ooh, nice. Another nicereference. Okay, this is the152701:39:36,510 --> 01:39:37,530bomb boost152801:39:42,660 --> 01:39:46,440you get some of that second handover there. Oscar. If it goes152901:39:46,440 --> 01:39:47,400out on the table.153001:39:48,690 --> 01:39:49,590Yeah, little bit.153101:39:50,610 --> 01:39:54,360Nomad, Joe gave 2000 SATsthrough fountain and he says153201:39:54,360 --> 01:40:01,410boosted again. Yeah, it's likeyou know, magic boost 55 552153301:40:01,410 --> 01:40:05,640sets from two Satoshi stream.Oh, hey Satoshi stream through153401:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,350fountain. And he says boost153501:40:07,500 --> 01:40:11,160go. That's interesting boost theonboarding, boosting the153601:40:11,160 --> 01:40:12,240onboarding. Love it.153701:40:12,960 --> 01:40:17,910Yeah, that's a doubleonboarding. So what? Why that's153801:40:17,910 --> 01:40:21,510interesting that Satoshi streamboosted through the app through153901:40:21,510 --> 01:40:24,900fountain app instead of justdirectly through the command154001:40:24,900 --> 01:40:27,720line or whatever magic systemthey have.154101:40:27,990 --> 01:40:32,340Because you you want to you wantto boost the whole club. True,154201:40:32,460 --> 01:40:39,420by the way, Oscar, you can youemail me a light lightning ID to154301:40:39,420 --> 01:40:40,830add to the splits for the show.154401:40:42,240 --> 01:40:46,740Yeah, I will do I'll send you alittle video of what it looks154501:40:46,740 --> 01:40:50,640like in Fountain to add otherusers as well, just in case154601:40:50,640 --> 01:40:51,510you're interested in that.154701:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,910Very, very nice. Yeah,definitely want to see that. But154801:40:53,910 --> 01:40:56,970I also just want to add you toour split for today. That'd be154901:40:56,970 --> 01:40:58,740amazing. Thank you, of course.155001:40:59,460 --> 01:41:04,86016 1611 1611 SAS from slewed,and now that we know the155101:41:04,860 --> 01:41:08,340pronunciation through fountainand he says, Where do I go? And155201:41:08,340 --> 01:41:11,910how much do I have to pay to getmy official podcasting license?155301:41:12,090 --> 01:41:15,540Forget about podcasts? Yeah,yeah. And what about those cool155401:41:15,540 --> 01:41:19,440podcasting? 2.0 t shirts? Well,we just talked about it. 125155501:41:19,470 --> 01:41:21,750Whatever you do the accountingfigure out how many sets you155601:41:21,750 --> 01:41:26,760donate, but adds up to 125bucks. Let us know and email me155701:41:26,760 --> 01:41:27,660and I'll send you a t shirt.155801:41:28,110 --> 01:41:34,740Yes, and the podcast. So podcastlicensed.com. I have I was the155901:41:34,740 --> 01:41:38,340one thing that I wasn't that Iwasn't able to resurrect a gig156001:41:38,340 --> 01:41:43,320broke years ago. And I was doingOPML Yeah, I was doing156101:41:43,320 --> 01:41:50,490subdomains so be like, you know,like, Adam at Adam dot podcast156201:41:50,490 --> 01:41:55,290licensed.com and had a templatedshow my podcast license. But I156301:41:55,290 --> 01:41:57,480think it's valuable. I thinkwe're gonna have to start156401:41:57,480 --> 01:42:00,300licensing people again so justhave to figure out how to do it156501:42:00,300 --> 01:42:03,000but we have that and there'snothing you can do right now.156601:42:03,000 --> 01:42:03,990But stay tuned.156701:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,340You are doing that as the as theas the pod father as the vinner.156801:42:09,570 --> 01:42:10,380Joe Yeah, as156901:42:11,880 --> 01:42:16,050they see now now we know we haveto actually have standing.157001:42:16,770 --> 01:42:21,030Now we can issue licenses. Ithink we can't we have standing157101:42:21,030 --> 01:42:24,060enough standing to be thelicensing authority. Yes, the157201:42:24,060 --> 01:42:24,540licensing157301:42:24,540 --> 01:42:25,020body157401:42:26,580 --> 01:42:27,750considered dumb.157501:42:28,650 --> 01:42:34,470Bitcoin dad pod sent 420 setsfor 20 through fountain he said157601:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,350I had not made the connectionbetween the oral tradition and157701:42:37,350 --> 01:42:40,200podcasting that helps meunderstand why I love podcasting157801:42:40,200 --> 01:42:43,710so much. Heavy listener 10 hoursa week. Can we talk about157901:42:43,710 --> 01:42:46,230getting podcasting 2.0 intoantenna pod?158001:42:47,700 --> 01:42:52,650Well antenna pod has some bitsof it I think almost honored158101:42:52,650 --> 01:42:54,360honors boost yes honors158201:42:55,800 --> 01:43:06,960yet, my antenna pod is Kunis onMastodon is a sort of like a I158301:43:06,960 --> 01:43:11,070think he's like a communityliaison or manager or some sort158401:43:11,070 --> 01:43:14,160of community advocate forantenna pot. And I know that158501:43:14,160 --> 01:43:19,350they definitely have beenlooking at value for value and158601:43:20,340 --> 01:43:23,700Bitcoin payments and things likethat. But I mean, I think158701:43:23,700 --> 01:43:26,850antenna pod and very much is isinto podcasting. Two point.158801:43:26,850 --> 01:43:27,120Yeah, I158901:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,250just don't know. It's not avalue for value. I don't think159001:43:29,250 --> 01:43:30,060specifically.159101:43:31,020 --> 01:43:34,470Yeah, not that far. But I thinklike namespace tags and stuff159201:43:34,500 --> 01:43:38,070for sure. Yeah. Let me actuallyleave Look at that. That's a159301:43:38,070 --> 01:43:38,370good159401:43:40,020 --> 01:43:42,450I was already going there to gotake a look.159501:43:43,020 --> 01:43:46,320Okay. They support the fundingtag and they use us for search.159601:43:46,500 --> 01:43:46,890Right.159701:43:47,910 --> 01:43:49,170So far to start.159801:43:51,300 --> 01:43:54,570I think I want to say there'smore than that. And then in the159901:43:54,570 --> 01:44:00,060website may not be current.Thank you Bitcoin dad pod. Yes.160001:44:00,990 --> 01:44:02,040Comic Strip blogger.160101:44:02,850 --> 01:44:05,010Oh, wait, there he is latelabor. I'm160201:44:05,010 --> 01:44:09,240sorry. Andy layman. Andy laymancast MATIC 257. Sassy says160301:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,180remind me again, why Adam didn'tlike loopback in his audio160401:44:12,180 --> 01:44:12,720devices.160501:44:12,900 --> 01:44:17,310Oh, because it's a you'd have nocontrol over busing, you need160601:44:17,340 --> 01:44:21,900busing? For mix minus and thingsof this ilk and you need control160701:44:21,930 --> 01:44:26,850over the audio coming from yourUSB device, not just a straight160801:44:26,850 --> 01:44:31,410pass through. It's for gamers.It's not for professional160901:44:31,410 --> 01:44:34,410audios, audio professionals whodo podcasting.161001:44:34,980 --> 01:44:38,910bussing would be more akin towhat you get in something like161101:44:38,940 --> 01:44:45,060Audio Hijack, is that right? Ina virtual sense, but it's like161201:44:45,060 --> 01:44:47,430you can route it's routing, itsrouting.161301:44:47,430 --> 01:44:50,610Yeah, routing and control reallycontrol over because you can161401:44:50,610 --> 01:44:54,270route with a with a loopbackdevice, but you can't you have161501:44:54,270 --> 01:44:56,910no other control over it. It'sjust there. There it is. You161601:44:56,910 --> 01:45:01,200can't know this. There's nevergoing to be any processing on161701:45:01,200 --> 01:45:04,950it. It's just it's just an inputan input with no channel and you161801:45:04,950 --> 01:45:10,620want an input to have an entirestrip to manipulate that input.161901:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,330Yeah, that makes sense.162001:45:12,690 --> 01:45:18,750Gotcha. Oh, yeah, here it is,comes through blogger. 15,033.162101:45:18,750 --> 01:45:25,470So this is more. Hold on asecond. Yeah, he's up the ante.162201:45:26,280 --> 01:45:30,000He chose fountain. He says, Howdo you David Adams has been162301:45:30,210 --> 01:45:33,660bitcoin is dipping. So this timeI donate 150%.162401:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,160That's so nice. Now there's aguy who's thinking about us.162501:45:38,610 --> 01:45:41,880And your listeners are welcometo listen to podcast about AI.162601:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,120Really? Did you know about thisbook?162701:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,750I've heard of it. I heard aboutit on Korean Zookeeper. I heard162801:45:48,750 --> 01:45:51,210it. I hear it on all differentshows. Yes.162901:45:51,240 --> 01:45:55,140Did you also hear that it's readby Gregory William Forsythe163001:45:55,140 --> 01:45:56,010Foreman from Kent.163101:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,040Yeah, that's a guy who used toown a bar. I think pub Yes.163201:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,860Just type in your web browser orany podcast app. A i dot163301:46:04,920 --> 01:46:11,010cooking. Yo, yo. How you doingbooster? Thank you. So yes, but163401:46:11,010 --> 01:46:11,220that's163501:46:12,150 --> 01:46:14,970right. That's it. Yeah. Gee,thank you so much, everybody for163601:46:14,970 --> 01:46:19,440boosting your little hearts out.I haven't. I haven't done the163701:46:19,440 --> 01:46:19,770math.163801:46:20,130 --> 01:46:23,940Whiz Gregory William ForsythForman a big name in the UK.163901:46:24,180 --> 01:46:24,540Oscar.164001:46:26,190 --> 01:46:27,240I've never heard of him.164101:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,110He's a hologram. He's a hologramthat comics are blogger164201:46:31,140 --> 01:46:34,320programmed in his AI dot cookinglab or something like164301:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,330that. He's in my dreams.164401:46:38,130 --> 01:46:40,860Yes, that is kind ofinteresting. And advertising in164501:46:40,860 --> 01:46:45,240this manner does work. Oddly.Yes. Another thing another thing164601:46:45,240 --> 01:46:47,490that this booster grams aregreat for, of course, I'm gonna164701:46:47,550 --> 01:46:51,960I'm gonna cross promote your appif you're paying me to cross164801:46:51,960 --> 01:46:53,490cross promote your podcast.164901:46:54,420 --> 01:46:58,170Hello is probably like, a it'sprobably like, what? 10 o'clock165001:46:58,170 --> 01:47:00,000at night over there. Right now.Oscar?165101:47:02,250 --> 01:47:05,010Is 920 to nine. Yeah.165201:47:05,580 --> 01:47:08,100Okay, that's trying to bemindful of your time because I165301:47:08,100 --> 01:47:11,430did have one more thing I wantedto talk about if you're getting165401:47:11,430 --> 01:47:15,540if your game because it is thepotential for opening up the165501:47:15,540 --> 01:47:22,410API. So and that just justmeaning not having not needing165601:47:22,410 --> 01:47:27,210tokens or API keys in order toaccess like some or all of the165701:47:27,210 --> 01:47:35,250API calls. And the idea herewould be maybe, maybe just165801:47:35,400 --> 01:47:42,870search, or I'm thinking likesearch, and then podcast by by165901:47:42,870 --> 01:47:48,750feed ID podcasts by URL, maybeepisodes by feed ID. It may be166001:47:48,750 --> 01:47:56,490just like a sort of a start witha subset of API endpoints that166101:47:56,490 --> 01:48:00,630can be made public and not usingan API key. And that way we get166201:48:01,080 --> 01:48:07,770the benefit of better caching.What do you do? I don't know.166301:48:07,770 --> 01:48:10,710What do you what are yourthoughts there? Oscar, do you166401:48:10,710 --> 01:48:14,250think that do you think thatwould be a good way to go?166501:48:14,250 --> 01:48:17,250Because I think well, let me letme flesh it a little bit more.166601:48:18,270 --> 01:48:25,290My thinking is, if you knowApple's API is is is open. I166701:48:25,290 --> 01:48:29,640think some of it is closed. Butbut most of it the iTunes API,166801:48:29,850 --> 01:48:33,300if you just want to look upbasic metadata about a podcast166901:48:33,330 --> 01:48:39,660it is that is open. And so thatin and of itself makes it easy,167001:48:39,810 --> 01:48:44,520and gives it sort of initialalready called inertia. And I167101:48:44,520 --> 01:48:50,160think that it would be if wewant to truly be, you know, an167201:48:50,160 --> 01:48:54,780alternative to that it wouldmake sense to have at least some167301:48:54,780 --> 01:48:57,870basic calls be open as well.What do you think?167401:49:00,090 --> 01:49:03,480Yeah, it's something I'vethought a lot about, actually, I167501:49:03,480 --> 01:49:06,840think there's two things thatare important to consider. The167601:49:06,840 --> 01:49:12,360first is that this is the way itworks. Right now, in terms of,167701:49:12,480 --> 01:49:16,500you know, applying for an APIkey is incredibly easy. Anybody167801:49:16,500 --> 01:49:19,620could do it. So I don't thinkthat's a barrier or blocker to167901:49:19,620 --> 01:49:26,250people using the API. But thenthe second thing is, I do think168001:49:26,340 --> 01:49:33,420that giving various thirdparties or just developers the168101:49:33,420 --> 01:49:38,700ability to add value to theindex by building on it, I think168201:49:38,700 --> 01:49:44,670is really cool. And I think thatit would be amazing if there168301:49:44,670 --> 01:49:50,880were more options to allow thirdparty developers to extend the168401:49:50,880 --> 01:49:55,110index offer additional serviceslike search is a great example.168501:49:56,610 --> 01:50:00,960Like, you know, if someonewanted to cry A project to168601:50:00,960 --> 01:50:05,010extend the search so that it wasmore granular and had additional168701:50:05,010 --> 01:50:09,210filters or different, you know,different things of that nature.168801:50:09,480 --> 01:50:13,680I think giving developers theability to do that would be168901:50:13,710 --> 01:50:18,690incredible. And it would makeeverything so much better. So169001:50:18,690 --> 01:50:20,520yeah, those are my two thoughts,I guess.169101:50:20,550 --> 01:50:24,420What are the benefits of openingthe API? Dave? I'm unclear on169201:50:24,420 --> 01:50:28,380that. Because I agree with Oscarthat it's not not hard to set it169301:50:28,380 --> 01:50:30,060up. You mentioned caching.169401:50:32,670 --> 01:50:37,860Yeah. So the idea would be that,you know, we were behind169501:50:37,860 --> 01:50:45,990Cloudflare. And we could benefitfrom Cloud flares, caching of169601:50:45,990 --> 01:50:50,160the results. That was takecurrently, you know, currently,169701:50:50,250 --> 01:50:54,660if you have to have an API key,you're changing the request169801:50:55,050 --> 01:50:56,010metadata,169901:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,800every time every time you accessit, I understand.170001:50:58,830 --> 01:51:03,930Yeah, yeah. And so it all looksto the caching proxies, as if170101:51:03,930 --> 01:51:09,240they're, they're calls thatcan't be that can't be cached,170201:51:09,270 --> 01:51:14,460can't be duplicated. So thatthat would be really the one of170301:51:14,460 --> 01:51:17,400the main things and then, youknow, like, like, what, like170401:51:17,400 --> 01:51:21,930what Oscar said is cool. Inhere's, there's a simplicity170501:51:21,930 --> 01:51:29,130argument here, too, which isthat when when people deliver170601:51:29,130 --> 01:51:37,740apps, that don't, I don't needto say this, when when when a170701:51:37,740 --> 01:51:42,780developer delivers an app to thepublic, they're going to have to170801:51:42,780 --> 01:51:46,470put it that doesn't use a proxyon their side. Like, if they're170901:51:46,470 --> 01:51:50,130not proxying, the calls, ifthey're just rolling out an app,171001:51:50,310 --> 01:51:54,450and having the app itselfcontact the index, then they're171101:51:54,450 --> 01:51:59,250gonna have to embed the API keyanyway. So at that point, I171201:51:59,250 --> 01:52:06,240mean, the fact that you have akey is not helping much. And so171301:52:06,570 --> 01:52:10,860that's been sort of a constantpiece of friction there is that171401:52:10,860 --> 01:52:15,600there's people were rolling outtheir keys in the app anyway. So171501:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,170I'm just thinking is just thesimplicity thing. And, and, and,171601:52:19,170 --> 01:52:23,520hopefully, a load, it lessensthe load as well.171701:52:24,240 --> 01:52:28,410Did the last time we discussedthis? I do remember, there was a171801:52:28,410 --> 01:52:31,590legal aspect that needed to belooked at, but I'm not so171901:52:31,590 --> 01:52:36,090worried about it. But that'sprobably should just review.172001:52:37,650 --> 01:52:41,610Yeah, let me you're basically alawyer. So you could do right?172101:52:41,850 --> 01:52:46,590Well, yes, I've been. I've notpassed the bar, but I've done172201:52:46,590 --> 01:52:51,390two divorces. That helps. Andgreen cards and a couple of172301:52:51,390 --> 01:52:53,520green cards. Yeah, I'm veryproficient.172401:52:54,030 --> 01:52:57,150Yeah, you're like, literally,you're basically Legal Zoom. So172501:52:57,150 --> 01:53:02,400we can just go. I don't know. Imean, it's, I think, maybe if if172601:53:02,400 --> 01:53:06,630it's legally okay. And maybesomebody can let us know if172701:53:07,170 --> 01:53:08,820that's kind of what I'm puttingit out there. So172801:53:08,820 --> 01:53:12,090you keep the call to the valueblock, you would still need an172901:53:12,090 --> 01:53:13,560API key, I presume?173001:53:15,840 --> 01:53:19,620Initially, yeah. You know, Ijust don't know how it goes.173101:53:19,830 --> 01:53:25,500But really, it's a caching it'san overhead. It's a it's a scale173201:53:25,500 --> 01:53:28,500issue that you're talking about.There's no other real reason173301:53:28,500 --> 01:53:29,070than that.173401:53:30,930 --> 01:53:34,680That and just and thesimplicity, the simplicity to173501:53:34,680 --> 01:53:37,710make it even easier fordevelopers. Not that it's that173601:53:37,710 --> 01:53:41,580difficult. But, you know, Imean, there's, if you're doing173701:53:41,580 --> 01:53:44,460it through through the iTunesAPI, you don't you just do it.173801:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,890You just call it you don't haveto have an A you don't have a173901:53:46,890 --> 01:53:49,110key. Yeah, I understand. Iunderstand. I'm assuming I'm174001:53:49,110 --> 01:53:51,630assuming that if there's a legalissue with it, then you would174101:53:52,110 --> 01:53:54,480like you don't sign it. Youdon't sign Terms of Service with174201:53:54,480 --> 01:53:55,290it with apples.174301:53:56,039 --> 01:54:02,969No, no, no. But it's you cannotcompare Apple to us. One,174401:54:03,419 --> 01:54:05,879because if someone comes alongsays, Hey, Apple, I'm174501:54:05,879 --> 01:54:10,649considering suing you over thisapples like? Yeah. Have you met174601:54:10,649 --> 01:54:12,359the have you met half of thebuilding?174701:54:14,670 --> 01:54:17,100Yeah. But again, I'm bringing it174801:54:17,130 --> 01:54:20,490Yeah, I'm not that concernedabout well, that doesn't really174901:54:20,490 --> 01:54:24,540seem like it matters much otherthan for you for scalability and175001:54:25,380 --> 01:54:28,380and for developers as well. Youknow what? That's where we have175101:54:28,380 --> 01:54:30,450a mastodon people will weigh inon this.175201:54:30,810 --> 01:54:34,920Yes, I want people to tell mewhy this is a great idea or a175301:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,280bad idea, because I just don'tknow. Right? And that's I'm175401:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,540gonna I'm not gonna bring it upagain.175501:54:40,590 --> 01:54:43,560Good. Well, then we can scrapthat off the list. All right.175601:54:45,150 --> 01:54:51,210Bring it up again. Ah, hey, areyou are you on your summer175701:54:51,210 --> 01:54:54,030schedule? Now Dave? Do you havea Friday afternoons off or you175801:54:54,030 --> 01:54:58,320have to go back off on free andclear? Oh, nice. Nice. Well, I175901:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,170do have some people showing up.So I'm gonna To wrap it up from176001:55:01,170 --> 01:55:05,940my end, Oscar, thank you so muchfor joining us once again. And176101:55:05,940 --> 01:55:08,370thank you for all the workyou're doing. And thank you for176201:55:08,670 --> 01:55:12,960being a real leader in, indeveloping great experiences.176301:55:12,960 --> 01:55:17,700It's quite, it's quite excitingto watch from from arm's length.176401:55:19,170 --> 01:55:21,660Well, thank you for that, Adam.And thanks for everything you176501:55:21,660 --> 01:55:24,750guys have done. I mean, we'rejust following your lead. So176601:55:25,530 --> 01:55:27,990yeah, appreciate everythingyou're doing and we'll continue176701:55:27,990 --> 01:55:31,530to push hard to try and justbuild as much as we can really.176801:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,320So yeah, thanks for having meon. And yeah, always good to176901:55:34,320 --> 01:55:34,770chat.177001:55:35,550 --> 01:55:38,640Yep, yeah. Congratulations oneverything so far too, because177101:55:38,640 --> 01:55:41,790we've it's really fountainsreally turned into mature177201:55:41,790 --> 01:55:44,640products as the last time wetalked. It's it's really got a177301:55:44,640 --> 01:55:45,510lot of Polish now.177401:55:46,560 --> 01:55:51,780Yeah, it was. I look back to theone we launched then. I'm very177501:55:51,780 --> 01:55:54,840embarrassed but we're gettingthere slowly. And if anyone177601:55:54,990 --> 01:55:58,470listening is listening onfountain any problems just177701:55:58,470 --> 01:56:02,160please email me Oscar at foundendo FM. We do have a list that177801:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,440we're getting to all of them. Soyeah, just send me an email.177901:56:04,620 --> 01:56:08,520Thanks everybody who sent us themonthly fee or fun coupons you178001:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,730can donate by going to podcastindex.org Scroll down to the178101:56:11,730 --> 01:56:15,360bottom you can also send us onchain Bitcoin and of course, you178201:56:15,360 --> 01:56:18,450can boost us with a modernpodcast app. You get it new178301:56:18,450 --> 01:56:21,240podcast. apps.com Thanks,everybody in the chat room.178401:56:21,240 --> 01:56:23,700Thank you for running withscissors. Thank you, Steven. B.178501:56:24,030 --> 01:56:26,820We love you man. Not if wewouldn't be doing this if it178601:56:26,820 --> 01:56:31,110wasn't for you. So don't sweatthe small stuff. Especially178701:56:31,110 --> 01:56:34,050because it's just a bad lookthat sweaty lineup your butt178801:56:34,050 --> 01:56:39,960crack. It's just not lookinggood. Dave pod sage. Yeah,178901:56:40,350 --> 01:56:41,970what's up? Have a great weekend.My brother.179001:56:42,540 --> 01:56:46,950You too, man. You have a goodone. No, you got you got you got179101:56:46,950 --> 01:56:48,990when do you what night do you doTina in the keepers that179201:56:49,050 --> 01:56:52,980we just did. We just did one onTuesday. Correct? Correct. Yeah.179301:56:53,010 --> 01:57:00,270Oh, yeah. This is a top showbrother. Said hey, we'll do179401:57:00,270 --> 01:57:02,640alright everybody. Thank you somuch for checking out the board179501:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,790meeting. We'll be back againFriday with another excellent179601:57:05,790 --> 01:57:08,730meeting of the mind here forpodcasting. 2.0 Have a great179701:57:08,730 --> 01:57:09,420weekend. Bye bye.179801:57:25,170 --> 01:57:29,700You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 to visit podcast179901:57:29,700 --> 01:57:32,280index.org. For more information