Episode 82: Ranking the Stars

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,940Oh, podcasting 2.0 For April22 2022, episode 82 we're200:00:05,940 --> 00:00:14,190ranking the stars. Hey,everybody. After a short hiatus,300:00:14,190 --> 00:00:17,190we're back with the officialboard meeting of podcasting.400:00:17,190 --> 00:00:19,5002.0. You want to know what'sgoing on with the podcast500:00:19,500 --> 00:00:22,680standards, formerly known as thenamespace? What's happening in600:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,340podcast? index.org? And mostimportantly, what's going on?700:00:26,340 --> 00:00:28,860What are we talking about apodcast index dot social, the800:00:28,860 --> 00:00:32,460future and current developmentsof podcasting. I'm Adam curry900:00:32,460 --> 00:00:34,830here in the heart of the TexasHill Country and in Alabama.1000:00:34,830 --> 00:00:37,740He's back and we'll hear why hewas gone. My friend on the other1100:00:37,740 --> 00:00:40,200end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr.Dave Jones.1200:00:42,450 --> 00:00:47,400I tried to find a clip. This wasfrom like, I don't know. 20251300:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,290episodes ago. Yeah. When I said,I think I made the statement1400:00:52,380 --> 00:00:56,910that that I had just rightbefore the show, and watched my1500:00:56,910 --> 00:00:59,940son drive away on hismotorcycle, and then I was1600:00:59,940 --> 00:01:00,720terrified.1700:01:00,750 --> 00:01:04,860I remember that I remember that.It would be in the episode1800:01:04,860 --> 00:01:06,360though. It's not a clip that wehave separate,1900:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,260right? Yes. I think it was likeright at the beginning of the of2000:01:10,260 --> 00:01:12,780the episode. Yeah. Well, ofcourse in a mid2100:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,600everybody hates their kid onthis on two wheels with an2200:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,650engine my daughter's forbidden.I told her very early on I said2300:01:19,650 --> 00:01:24,540you never ever ever get on an inor on anything that has less2400:01:24,540 --> 00:01:27,960than four wheels. And if there'san issue you call me I will send2500:01:27,960 --> 00:01:28,470a limo.2600:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,460Whether it's intentionally lessthan four wheels, or by2700:01:32,460 --> 00:01:33,720accident, either way,2800:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,370either way. Either way. Thoseare the limits and and she all2900:01:38,370 --> 00:01:41,250by herself decided hot airballoons were also off limits3000:01:41,250 --> 00:01:44,130because she rejected one ofthose because she knows I said,3100:01:44,130 --> 00:01:47,580Hey, hot air balloons. You'rebasically controlled crash when3200:01:47,580 --> 00:01:50,310you're landing so I don't likethose either. So3300:01:51,420 --> 00:01:53,640if you have to explain the hotair balloon thing to your kid,3400:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,540then there's no there's more.3500:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,620So you bring this up? Yes,3600:01:58,710 --> 00:02:02,910I bring this up becauseWednesday, last Wednesday3700:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,160afternoon I get a call fromsomebody from froze some of3800:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,680somebody's using my wife's phonewho is not my wife, which was3900:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,540problems all was always weird.4000:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,190Uh, yes. Pick up pick it up. I'mlike, I'm like hey in this like,4100:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,730Dave this is you know, and it'sher one of her co workers she's4200:02:20,730 --> 00:02:25,230a teacher. Your son has been inan accident and I think we think4300:02:25,230 --> 00:02:29,910his leg is broken and but and Iwas like, Oh my God. Yeah, and4400:02:29,910 --> 00:02:31,860so freaking out and4500:02:31,890 --> 00:02:34,740you're at work at this point.Right? And this is yes. And this4600:02:34,740 --> 00:02:40,020is just before this is the mostbusiest time of the year. You4700:02:40,020 --> 00:02:43,680got you got accountants likecan't fight again can't can't4800:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,160figure out their passwordcapslock yes all current can't4900:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,280print can't for a bit that'snumber one. Isn't it can't print5000:02:50,310 --> 00:02:51,180Oh, yeah. Oh, that's always5100:02:51,179 --> 00:02:56,759number one. Yeah. So she waslike we don't know much we're5200:02:56,759 --> 00:02:58,859trying to figure out what'sgoing on we they're taking him5300:02:58,859 --> 00:03:01,499to the hospital right now andbut I don't even know where to5400:03:01,499 --> 00:03:02,909tell you to go and so I waslike,5500:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,070was not helpful.5600:03:05,370 --> 00:03:09,360Yeah, she she was like, Give meGive me one minute and I'll call5700:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,880you right back once I found outso5800:03:12,570 --> 00:03:15,450now you're just sitting therecounting the counting the SEC5900:03:15,450 --> 00:03:18,930Yes. She calls me back. It'slike they're going to UAB which6000:03:18,930 --> 00:03:21,810is a hospital here inBirmingham. Very great hospital.6100:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,530Fantastic. It's like the it'slike the third and busiest6200:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,140trauma unit. Emergency Room.6300:03:28,170 --> 00:03:30,780They fly him in the chopper. No,no.6400:03:32,550 --> 00:03:35,490We live we live like threeminutes from this Austin.6500:03:36,300 --> 00:03:42,390Still a valid chopper ride. Hedid get gypped6600:03:42,870 --> 00:03:44,910like MASH style where we're onthe6700:03:46,290 --> 00:03:50,970stretcher on the skid. Yeah.Look, I'm laughing but it's not6800:03:50,970 --> 00:03:52,860funny. Of course at this point.You're prepping6900:03:53,040 --> 00:04:00,000for me. Yes, there we go. So Iget I get over there and I mean,7000:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,960it's just he's got he's got abroken right femur his he's got7100:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,420cracked ribs and all the otherstuff but just you know, Road7200:04:12,420 --> 00:04:18,390Rash and bumps and bruises buthe's miraculously a you know,7300:04:18,390 --> 00:04:23,250his helmet worked all that kindof stuff. He he that's it. And7400:04:23,250 --> 00:04:26,940at the end of the day, he endedup with the broken femur and7500:04:26,940 --> 00:04:30,450cracked ribs. He had a puncturedlung but that seems was sliding.7600:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,890He's got to7700:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,520but he's, it's gonna kind of bea road to recovery.7800:04:38,550 --> 00:04:42,000Can I ask you a few questions?Of course you can one what7900:04:42,000 --> 00:04:42,570happened?8000:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,560Well, he was in a three. He wason a three lane. One way road. A8100:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,460lot of one railroads inBirmingham, three lane. One way8200:04:53,940 --> 00:04:59,100going. He had just left schoolwas was driving in the leftmost8300:04:59,100 --> 00:05:03,360lane. And a lady.8400:05:04,109 --> 00:05:07,259I already know what happened.She didn't see him. She just8500:05:07,259 --> 00:05:09,269went left and pushed him rightoff the road8600:05:09,659 --> 00:05:14,099yet. Well, it was a little bitworse than that because she, she8700:05:14,220 --> 00:05:19,770has she backed up over him. I'mthe guy you want in these8800:05:19,770 --> 00:05:22,620situations, Dave, I will makeyou laugh all day long.8900:05:23,940 --> 00:05:27,270This is why I did this while Iwanted to do the show to make9000:05:27,270 --> 00:05:29,910you feel good. Yeah, my son'slived in literally and they're9100:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,190laying on the couch and pain andI'm like, I'm doing the show9200:05:32,190 --> 00:05:33,540just so I can get feel betterabout myself.9300:05:34,140 --> 00:05:35,430And you deserve it.9400:05:36,150 --> 00:05:41,880I deserve it that a yes. So he'she's in the left lane. She's in9500:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,540the middle lane. So Sheevidently we don't know why yet9600:05:45,540 --> 00:05:48,180or anything like this. She, Iguess, though, she's gonna miss9700:05:48,180 --> 00:05:53,550her turn didn't see him and justwhips it across his lane into to9800:05:53,550 --> 00:05:57,720make a left hand turn. And heand T boned. He, uh, he he9900:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,890almost T bone. I mean, she, shejust he hit the front of her car10000:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,670and flipped over the hood landeda he went about 20 feet. Because10100:06:08,670 --> 00:06:11,640he was going about 40 And10200:06:11,820 --> 00:06:14,430that would be a record in thedwarf toss. That would be10300:06:14,430 --> 00:06:15,270fantastic.10400:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,870It was a dwarf.10500:06:18,930 --> 00:06:22,860I mean, that's a real bad onethat he's lucky didn't have you10600:06:22,860 --> 00:06:25,620know, handlebars or somethingembedded into his crotch. You10700:06:25,620 --> 00:06:26,820know, this is this is what very10800:06:26,850 --> 00:06:31,230he did. He did bruises. Oh,yeah, he's got bruises all in10900:06:31,230 --> 00:06:34,800the in the hips and everythingbroken. The broken femur is11000:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,150high. Right and right.11100:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,150And that's the worst for thisthe worst? Probably the femur.11200:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,500Yeah, they had so they put atitanium rod. Yeah. In the femur11300:06:43,500 --> 00:06:47,670went in from the knee. Oh, it'sdude. Yeah. So yeah,11400:06:47,670 --> 00:06:50,940head operations. You hadsleepless nights, but he's home11500:06:50,940 --> 00:06:51,360now.11600:06:51,840 --> 00:06:56,220So we we get Yeah, we get homelike, Saturday night. We get11700:06:56,220 --> 00:07:00,270home late Saturday night. Andthen then you're in you know,11800:07:00,270 --> 00:07:03,480when you get home from somethinglike that. When you're in the11900:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,450hospital, we spent four days inthe hospital. When your hospital12000:07:06,450 --> 00:07:09,870you're in? You know, you knowthis. You're in like, alternate12100:07:09,870 --> 00:07:14,730reality mode. Yeah, totally. Youlose all track of time. It's12200:07:14,730 --> 00:07:17,190like the it's like there is noworld outside of what is12300:07:17,190 --> 00:07:22,140happening in your hospital room.Yeah. And so then we get home12400:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,760Saturday night, and it was like,then you have to learn how to12500:07:26,760 --> 00:07:32,790live with this new thing, right?Like this new reality. Yeah. So,12600:07:33,030 --> 00:07:37,230okay. He can't walk. But he'sgot to get to the bathroom. He12700:07:37,230 --> 00:07:42,060can't, you know, we have thisbig schedule of medications to12800:07:42,060 --> 00:07:44,820give at certain times of day. Sowe're near we're trying to12900:07:44,820 --> 00:07:47,010figure this so then the next youknow, next couple of days are13000:07:47,010 --> 00:07:52,440just figuring out this newroutine. And then think it was13100:07:52,920 --> 00:08:00,150Tuesday. Yeah. Tuesday night. Hestarts running a fever and and13200:08:00,150 --> 00:08:04,140the pain the Tylenol pain medsdon't stop it. And it's still13300:08:04,140 --> 00:08:06,570like one on one. And we're like,oh, god, he's got some kind of13400:08:06,570 --> 00:08:10,380infection infection. Yeah. Sowe're Oh, here we go. You know,13500:08:10,380 --> 00:08:14,400so we go back, we go to the backto the emergency room, because13600:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,930it's like 1030 at night. Back tothe emergency room. We were13700:08:18,930 --> 00:08:19,500later on.13800:08:19,830 --> 00:08:23,610I feel so bad for you guys. Imean, we all went any parent has13900:08:23,610 --> 00:08:27,390been through versions of thismaybe not as severe but oh, man,14000:08:27,390 --> 00:08:28,230this is shit.14100:08:28,620 --> 00:08:32,760You know, it's the worst. And Itold him before we go in. I'm14200:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,750like, Look, man, I hate I'm sosorry to do this, but14300:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,320something's wrong. You're takingyou're taking the pain. You're14400:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,430taking the fever reducer but youstill got like a one to one14500:08:44,430 --> 00:08:47,400fever. Man, we don't have achoice. This is going to I'm14600:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,030telling you right now. This isgonna suck. We're going to be14700:08:51,030 --> 00:08:56,880there for probably six hours atleast. But we just really don't14800:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,580have a choice. We got a we gotto find out what's going on. So14900:08:59,580 --> 00:09:04,140we we take him back. We werethere until six o'clock the next15000:09:04,140 --> 00:09:09,450morning. All night long. Andthey did all these tests just15100:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,140blood cultures and everything usscans and everything you can15200:09:13,140 --> 00:09:16,800imagine couldn't find a singlething wrong with it. The only I15300:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,780mean you know, except theobvious but right no infections15400:09:21,780 --> 00:09:24,960or whatever. So then, you knowthey the doctor finally came in15500:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,230he's like, Man, I don't know theonly thing I can think of is15600:09:28,230 --> 00:09:34,350maybe he picked up a virus whenhe was when he was here. I15700:09:34,350 --> 00:09:39,180really don't know he's like,just go back home and and keep15800:09:39,180 --> 00:09:41,580going just keep watching themand like keep giving him the15900:09:41,580 --> 00:09:45,960Tylenol. So with that, that thatwas Tuesday night so we've we16000:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,410finally kind of get back we gotsome sleep16100:09:49,410 --> 00:09:51,390and he's stable and everything.16200:09:51,690 --> 00:09:54,510Yeah, the fever seems to havegone down and they are going16300:09:54,510 --> 00:09:57,840back to normal and all thatstuff. Yeah, it's just been a16400:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,930great it's been like the lastseven days. He's a bit nuts.16500:10:01,110 --> 00:10:04,170I need to ask you just a fewmore questions, and then I'll be16600:10:04,170 --> 00:10:08,220done because now comes theparental questions. Yes. So at16700:10:08,220 --> 00:10:12,480any sort of FAD parents yes. Atany point did your wife Melissa16800:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,980did she say, I told you I toldyou should have never led? Was16900:10:16,980 --> 00:10:18,090there any of that going on?17000:10:19,470 --> 00:10:23,670None those words, but that wasthat was absolutely.17100:10:24,780 --> 00:10:28,830Okay. Now know. Is grant rightyour son grant? Yes, grant. So17200:10:28,830 --> 00:10:34,020what? So you see him? And ofcourse, he's like, I mean, so17300:10:34,020 --> 00:10:36,480where are we at with thisfuture? motorcycle riding? I17400:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,170guess is my question.17500:10:37,199 --> 00:10:41,639There is no, there's no youdon't have to. We did not have17600:10:41,669 --> 00:10:44,429there. There was no parentalFiat. Yeah, it happened with17700:10:44,429 --> 00:10:47,819that. He he volunteered thatwhen he was like, I'm good.17800:10:47,849 --> 00:10:48,209Good.17900:10:49,680 --> 00:10:53,430I feel so bad for him. And foreverybody. That sucks. But you18000:10:53,430 --> 00:10:57,600know, we have you ever been abike rider? A motorcycle rider?18100:10:57,630 --> 00:10:58,470Oh, yeah, yeah,18200:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,120I read a bike. I mean, I foryears,18300:11:00,150 --> 00:11:05,790I I never broke any bones. But Igot scars and still some gravel18400:11:05,790 --> 00:11:09,180in one of my elbows. We all havesomething from the two wheel18500:11:09,180 --> 00:11:11,310experience, you know? Yeah,18600:11:11,370 --> 00:11:14,490I did. I read bro dirt bikeswhen I was a teenager, and then18700:11:14,490 --> 00:11:20,670I rode on the road for three orfour years. And then it's like,18800:11:20,670 --> 00:11:24,300at some point, I looked at itand said, you know, this is darn18900:11:24,300 --> 00:11:26,100kids, three kids.19000:11:26,940 --> 00:11:30,360Instead, let me get an old beatup truck that goes 35 miles an19100:11:30,360 --> 00:11:30,750hour.19200:11:31,079 --> 00:11:34,499As much, much more much better.Yes, yes. Yes. Much better,19300:11:34,530 --> 00:11:38,610by the way that that clip yousent me? It's zero bytes.19400:11:39,390 --> 00:11:41,640Oh, cool. That's the one Iwanted to send the one you can't19500:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,660play. Just let19600:11:42,660 --> 00:11:47,250me know. Just let you know. Oh,man, I am I'm Well, I'm glad19700:11:47,250 --> 00:11:51,240he's okay. He'll remember thisone for a long time. That's for19800:11:51,240 --> 00:11:51,750sure.19900:11:52,770 --> 00:11:59,970Yeah, it also has this weird. Ithad this weird effect where on20000:11:59,970 --> 00:12:05,190me where I was thinking abouthow you're in the hospital20100:12:05,190 --> 00:12:10,800alternate reality, I was justthinking about how, like, tight20200:12:11,220 --> 00:12:15,480the schedule is, you know, like,all the things that I have to do20300:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,520during the week. And how, whatwhat little margin of error20400:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,560there there is for probably sixis a you know, we're I'm like 5520500:12:25,560 --> 00:12:30,420to 60 hours during tax season,at the at the day job in this.20600:12:30,420 --> 00:12:32,730So usually I do quite a lot ofpodcast stuff and lunch and at20700:12:32,730 --> 00:12:38,670night. And then we do thepodcast on Fridays at noon on my20800:12:38,670 --> 00:12:44,970lunch break. And then we havethe kids in, in school and their20900:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,600things of taking them back andforth. Not my youngest taking21000:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,020her back and forth to all thesedifferent places. There is such21100:12:52,050 --> 00:12:56,520little margin of error when itcomes to scheduling. And when21200:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,990something like this happens,you're like, it just all21300:13:00,990 --> 00:13:04,050philosophy, like falls apart.Yeah, yeah, I didn't like I21400:13:04,050 --> 00:13:09,900didn't even go to work for Oh,good, good, good. You know, when21500:13:09,900 --> 00:13:11,760you're when your kids laid up,it's like, there's just21600:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,920everything's like, okay,everything grinds to a halt.21700:13:13,980 --> 00:13:14,640Yeah.21800:13:15,390 --> 00:13:21,240Well, I was pleased to see that.Because of course, you checked21900:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,240out of everything and podcastindex dot social conversation22000:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,570did kind of continue. I was verycurious to see now if Dave's not22100:13:27,570 --> 00:13:31,860there posting about stuff. He'sdoing what happens. And we can22200:13:31,860 --> 00:13:34,740always kind of count on Brian ofLondon. When I wake up in the22300:13:34,740 --> 00:13:38,130morning. You know, there's gonnabe 10 vine of London posts.22400:13:39,270 --> 00:13:42,810Yeah. All kinds of interestingstuff. And that was really good.22500:13:42,870 --> 00:13:45,030The things things kind ofcontinued not not with22600:13:45,270 --> 00:13:48,720development or fixing anything,per se. But I saw lots of22700:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,660sharing of information,different ways to do things. It22800:13:51,660 --> 00:13:55,650was some good stuff going on. SoI'm happy that Yeah, we could we22900:13:55,650 --> 00:13:57,810could basically do without youuntil the server's run out of23000:13:57,810 --> 00:14:04,950gas. Now we really missed you. Imissed you. I really miss you.23100:14:05,100 --> 00:14:10,290Because it's weird because we wechat a lot. On on the on the23200:14:10,290 --> 00:14:13,770signal. And it's little thingsback and forth. And just like23300:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,550boom, dead air by Oh man. Yeah.23400:14:17,940 --> 00:14:22,740Yeah, it's, um, I was keepingsort of like keeping an eye on23500:14:22,740 --> 00:14:24,750it. Because there's, you knowhow it is. You're in the23600:14:24,750 --> 00:14:28,950hospital. I mean, there's lotsof sleeping. Yes, a lot of that.23700:14:28,950 --> 00:14:32,070Yeah. Yeah, lots of sleeping,lots of family visiting that23800:14:32,070 --> 00:14:34,920kind of thing. Some housekeepingin sort of keeping an eye on my23900:14:34,980 --> 00:14:37,950on my phone and everything. JustI just didn't have the mental24000:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,210energy to get into any debateanything, you know,24100:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,710conversation, but I kind of keptabreast of what was going on.24200:14:46,830 --> 00:14:50,130The one thing I didn't, wasn'table to really kind of connect24300:14:50,130 --> 00:14:55,140in with was, I couldn't listento anything really. So I'm kind24400:14:55,140 --> 00:14:57,480of out of the loop on some ofthe stuff that's been going on24500:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,290in the broader industry, but asfar as The 2.0 in the Macedon, I24600:15:01,290 --> 00:15:03,330kind of I kind of feel like Iknow what's happening.24700:15:04,890 --> 00:15:09,990Well, welcome back the boardwelcome issue, and we're glad to24800:15:10,020 --> 00:15:12,480that everything's gonna be okay.The24900:15:13,530 --> 00:15:16,680the platinum level healthinsurance that the board25000:15:16,680 --> 00:15:17,730approved for podcast25100:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,440really hand at work? Yes. Okay.You made a Cadillac, the25200:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,580Cadillac plan? That's okay, Iguess25300:15:28,530 --> 00:15:32,370the Cadillac the Caddy? So I'vegot I mean, one thing I think we25400:15:33,030 --> 00:15:39,480could do this is Nadia is Ithink we should have a program25500:15:40,350 --> 00:15:48,420where we pay where we podcastindex, hey, app developers to25600:15:48,810 --> 00:15:57,570write podcast apps, we could payon like, $50,000 a year. And25700:15:57,570 --> 00:16:01,080this is a brilliant program,because all we have to do is25800:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,320announce that we're going to doit. But we don't ever have to25900:16:04,320 --> 00:16:04,830actually do26000:16:05,219 --> 00:16:09,659it. Are you referring to theSpotify marketing program?26100:16:11,370 --> 00:16:12,180Perhaps,26200:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,900what do you want to say this?26300:16:16,020 --> 00:16:19,440Perhaps I am, but I'm justsaying we can we can announce.26400:16:19,710 --> 00:16:23,010We can do this all kinds ofthings. We can just, Oh, I see.26500:16:23,310 --> 00:16:26,820We can announce things in this,send it out to the press, they26600:16:26,850 --> 00:16:29,280will do awesome PR who willdiligently26700:16:29,310 --> 00:16:32,250publish it and tell us all howgreat it's going to be?26800:16:32,850 --> 00:16:35,820And then we don't but we don'tactually have to do it. So it26900:16:35,820 --> 00:16:38,820doesn't cost us anything. Wejust get great PR for free. And27000:16:38,820 --> 00:16:39,300well, that's27100:16:39,300 --> 00:16:41,820not true. Because eventually CREngland will be on to us. And27200:16:41,820 --> 00:16:43,920then he's gonna He's gonna callus out.27300:16:44,130 --> 00:16:49,650No, none. That's it. But wedon't have stock. It's all the27400:16:49,650 --> 00:16:52,170problem here is manipulating thestock prices. So we know this is27500:16:52,170 --> 00:16:54,630we're not a publicly tradedcompany. We get this for free.27600:16:54,990 --> 00:16:59,160Right? Well, we, in our plans,this is true. Our plans for 202327700:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,200was to pay app developers$50,000 to build a podcast app.27800:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,780So that's our plan for 2023. I'mvery proud of it.27900:17:07,109 --> 00:17:09,809Yes. The podcast app developercreator fund. Yes.28000:17:10,740 --> 00:17:18,000We're giving away creatorgrants. Great. Okay. Well, the28100:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,500developments and I have kind oflike a meta overview. As in the28200:17:22,500 --> 00:17:26,670past. And really last year,there was a lot of jacked up28300:17:26,670 --> 00:17:31,500pneus about Facebook, withpodcasting, and YouTube with28400:17:31,500 --> 00:17:35,820podcasting. And Spotify is goingto do even more, and it's all28500:17:35,820 --> 00:17:41,550kind of falling apart. It reallyis. Yeah. And I know why it's no28600:17:41,550 --> 00:17:46,110one really wants to say it. Butin my opinion, these companies28700:17:46,110 --> 00:17:49,410have done that done theresearch, done the work and they28800:17:49,410 --> 00:17:53,550say, you know, there's really nomoney in it because we can't28900:17:53,550 --> 00:17:58,110deal and, and the articles showthis, most recently from the29000:17:58,110 --> 00:18:02,730Brookings Institution, we can'tdeal with the moderation. And29100:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,300and the whole problem withadvertising is that whenever29200:18:06,300 --> 00:18:09,960someone doesn't like any contentthat you've created, they go to29300:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,190your advertisers.29400:18:11,940 --> 00:18:15,900When did they can Okay? Ipurposely did not read the29500:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,020Brookings article, I start Iread the first three paragraphs,29600:18:19,020 --> 00:18:22,650I thought, You know what, thiswas may be more interesting. If29700:18:22,650 --> 00:18:26,850I don't read this, because youhad sent it to me and said you29800:18:26,850 --> 00:18:29,760wanted to talk about it. So I'mlike, Okay, well, I'm not gonna29900:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,590read it. And I want it maybe30000:18:31,620 --> 00:18:33,690that was, that was one it wasone of them. It was one it was30100:18:33,690 --> 00:18:36,360one of my morning and one of ourmorning chats. You know, it's30200:18:36,360 --> 00:18:41,640like, yeah, and then nothingfrom Dave and shift. He says,30300:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,350You really hate what I'm doinghere.30400:18:44,610 --> 00:18:48,600I do that to my parents, too.That drives me nuts. How's grant30500:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,190and um, nothing radio silencefor like,30600:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,670oh, oh, you're a horrible son.Nice, because I don't I'm close30700:18:53,670 --> 00:18:57,030to my phone. So this was policyrecommendations for addressing30800:18:57,030 --> 00:19:03,300content moderation in podcasts.That's the That's the title of30900:19:03,300 --> 00:19:04,680this, this article.31000:19:05,129 --> 00:19:08,009And escalation, by the way,because the previous article by31100:19:08,009 --> 00:19:09,599the same reporter.31200:19:10,020 --> 00:19:12,330No, I think this is a differentreport. I think this is the same31300:19:12,330 --> 00:19:13,230reporter isn't?31400:19:13,410 --> 00:19:17,550No, I think it is Valerieshifter. Yeah, yeah, cuz I31500:19:17,550 --> 00:19:20,250remember the name. That's a hardname to say.31600:19:20,670 --> 00:19:23,310I didn't I didn't realize thatshe is an artificial31700:19:23,310 --> 00:19:25,230intelligence data scientist.31800:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,880Yeah, remember? Cuz she did.Okay. So she's the one for,31900:19:29,970 --> 00:19:35,430again for Brookings that didthat big data analysis where she32000:19:35,430 --> 00:19:39,270took like, 20,000 podcastepisodes and looked for for32100:19:39,420 --> 00:19:42,960like, misinformation keywords orsomething like that.32200:19:42,990 --> 00:19:45,960Oh, you're right. That's right.She did. Yeah, she did all that32300:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,290data analysis. Yes. Well, nowshe's teamed out of Berkeley, I32400:19:49,290 --> 00:19:53,130think. Yeah, probably. She'steamed up with another32500:19:53,190 --> 00:19:56,280artificial intelligence datascientists to to write this.32600:19:58,530 --> 00:20:04,140What would you call an essay Andthere's a couple of things in32700:20:04,140 --> 00:20:08,550here that are interesting, infact, starts off debates over32800:20:08,550 --> 00:20:11,700content moderation. And podcastshinged primarily on whether and32900:20:11,700 --> 00:20:18,300how widely to share so calledlawful but awful content. I like33000:20:18,300 --> 00:20:20,880that so much. That's the titleof the no agenda episode for33100:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,200today lost. Oh, yeah, of coursealso, but also I love it.33200:20:25,530 --> 00:20:28,260You're an alliteration expert.33300:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,290Yeah, it's OCD, major podcastingapps. The applications commonly33400:20:34,290 --> 00:20:36,960used on smartphones, tablets, orcomputers to listen and download33500:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,050the podcast episodes alreadyhave policies and procedures in33600:20:40,050 --> 00:20:43,770place to deal with blatantlyillegal content. Spotify or33700:20:43,770 --> 00:20:46,980Apple podcasts won't knowinglydistribute in an Islamic state33800:20:46,980 --> 00:20:50,070recruitment podcast says doingso would open them to33900:20:50,070 --> 00:20:53,640prosecution for supporting adesignated terrorist group. How34000:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,170podcasting have should handlehate speech, misinformation, and34100:20:58,170 --> 00:21:02,160related content that is legal,but hate may have harmful34200:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,710societal effects is far lessclear. So just reading this34300:21:07,980 --> 00:21:10,920paragraph, I had to force myselfto read the rest because the34400:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,750minute you get into handlinghate speech, misinformation,34500:21:15,750 --> 00:21:19,860very subjective and relatedcontent that's legal, but may34600:21:19,860 --> 00:21:24,030have harmful societal effects.So that right off the bat,34700:21:24,030 --> 00:21:26,550they're saying, you know, thishas to be human intervention34800:21:26,550 --> 00:21:32,490based upon morals and standardsand not not legality, right.34900:21:35,970 --> 00:21:39,600It's not, it's not the, youknow, the distinction there35000:21:39,600 --> 00:21:45,060being legality. Being legalityis something that the broader35100:21:45,570 --> 00:21:50,100the broader public determinesthrough a political process35200:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,970versus righties. opinion of themoment.35300:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,760Now, let's get to the nextparagraph because then you35400:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,130understand where all this iscoming from, you understand35500:21:59,130 --> 00:22:02,700what's going on in other newsstories, and then we can go to35600:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,520what they what they suggest.Below the level of blatantly35700:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,520illegal content, the mostpopular podcasting apps face a35800:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,280daunting challenge. On one hand,given the scale and reach of35900:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,820apps like Spotify and Applepodcast, each now enjoys more36000:22:14,820 --> 00:22:18,750than 25 million monthly podcastlisteners in the United States.36100:22:19,140 --> 00:22:21,660Their content moderationpolicies need to account for the36200:22:21,660 --> 00:22:27,570societal harms is interestingthe societal harms that can36300:22:27,570 --> 00:22:30,330result from the massdistribution of hate speech and36400:22:30,330 --> 00:22:34,500misinformation. And here we go.Some examples popular podcasts36500:22:34,500 --> 00:22:37,860played a prominent role inspreading the so called big lie36600:22:37,890 --> 00:22:41,250in the lead up to the January 6,assault on the US Capitol, for36700:22:41,250 --> 00:22:44,310instance, and have also been akey vector in spreading36800:22:44,310 --> 00:22:48,180misinformation related to COVID19 vaccines leading to36900:22:48,180 --> 00:22:53,430unnecessary deaths. So this isalready political. It's already37000:22:53,490 --> 00:22:57,630it's already political. And nowyou're misinformation is and37100:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,860President Barack Obama was outtoday talking about this. It's37200:23:01,860 --> 00:23:05,880given people misinformation, itmay very well be, but so are a37300:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,330lot of other things. And is itreally speech or do people have37400:23:09,330 --> 00:23:12,690any? Do people have anyresponsibility themselves,37500:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,870motorcyclists also kill people,but motorcycles, you know, and37600:23:15,870 --> 00:23:20,280by the way, it's not the speedthat kills you. It's the sudden37700:23:20,280 --> 00:23:26,730lot lack of speed that will,that will hurt you. So now, they37800:23:26,730 --> 00:23:33,510don't really go into much of, ofanything, really. But they feel37900:23:33,510 --> 00:23:36,600that there should be regulation,regulators and lawmakers have a38000:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,560role to play in shaping policiesin the podcast ecosystem. And38100:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,440they admit regulating podcast isdifficult in part because it38200:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,350requires balancing the right tofreedom of expression with the38300:23:46,350 --> 00:23:49,320need to preserve societalwelfare and protect against38400:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,500social harms. I'd like tounderstand where they got that38500:23:52,500 --> 00:23:52,920from.38600:23:54,090 --> 00:23:57,030This distrust feels like aretread. It's feels like the38700:23:57,030 --> 00:24:00,420same article being written overand over and over again. I38800:24:00,420 --> 00:24:08,280agree. I mean, you know, we needwe need rules and and, you know,38900:24:08,550 --> 00:24:11,640what everyone calls censorship,on maybe maybe39000:24:12,300 --> 00:24:16,530calling for regulation, but theregulation has to balance,39100:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,500freedom of expression. Theydon't even say freedom of39200:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,270speech, but freedom ofexpression. Okay, we'll take39300:24:21,270 --> 00:24:25,830that with the need to preservesocietal welfare and protect39400:24:25,830 --> 00:24:32,550against social harms. Whose jobis that? Who's whose job is it39500:24:32,550 --> 00:24:36,930to protect from preservesocietal welfare and protect39600:24:36,930 --> 00:24:43,200against social harms? And Idon't know either it's very39700:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,950well, and they will tell youYeah.39800:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,590I thought that's what we dothrough the process of39900:24:49,590 --> 00:24:54,090governing. I mean, this this isthe this is the issue is okay.40000:24:54,240 --> 00:25:02,730lawful but awful. Okay. Lawfulis again, that is what EU lawful40100:25:02,730 --> 00:25:07,830is what you come to, as a broadas, as a, let's just say, as a40200:25:07,830 --> 00:25:11,850country, let's just reduce itdown here to mate for simplicity40300:25:11,850 --> 00:25:17,790sake, as, as UK as a country,you your laws are the things40400:25:17,790 --> 00:25:21,630that you have, as a society,democratic, if we're speaking40500:25:21,630 --> 00:25:24,690democratically here, as asociety, through your40600:25:24,690 --> 00:25:32,910representatives have passed inorder to satisfy the will of the40700:25:32,910 --> 00:25:41,490people. If there's no thislawful but awful, that is always40800:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,670a shifting set of opinions of aof by definition of a few.40900:25:48,660 --> 00:25:56,640Because if it was a opinion heldby the many, or the majority, it41000:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,010would eventually become law. Imean, there's this is, this is41100:26:02,010 --> 00:26:08,700by definition, the few trying toregulate perceived harm on41200:26:08,700 --> 00:26:14,310behalf of the many when they'renot, they do not have access to41300:26:14,340 --> 00:26:17,610legislative power. Or am I wrongabout41400:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,520that? No, I think you'reabsolutely right. I mean, again,41500:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,470it all comes down to you know,where you are at this at this41600:26:25,470 --> 00:26:29,940moment, this time in historythis day, and everything can be41700:26:29,940 --> 00:26:34,830awful. But there's a lot ofawful content that is completely41800:26:34,830 --> 00:26:37,590acceptable. And it's alsokilling people, even though it's41900:26:37,620 --> 00:26:41,280certainly in mainstream. Sothis, but this is, this isn't42000:26:41,490 --> 00:26:45,450what's happening here. This isin the United States, definitely42100:26:45,450 --> 00:26:49,470political. We have Elon Muskthreatening to open up Twitter,42200:26:49,470 --> 00:26:53,610buy it and, you know, bringTrump back. We have now that42300:26:53,610 --> 00:26:59,280that's that this is what's goingon. You know, this is why we see42400:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,370Barack Obama and President Obamacoming out and saying, oh, you42500:27:02,370 --> 00:27:04,740know, this is killing people.You know, the one and one and42600:27:04,740 --> 00:27:07,920five families aren't vaccinatedbecause of misinformation. Of42700:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,600course, it's all the podcastersfault. So here, they do have42800:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,050some thoughts on that. So it's acoordinated effort or a42900:27:16,050 --> 00:27:18,600coordinated timing ofpublication. As you say, it's a43000:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,120retread. Yeah. Why is it aretread because there's there's43100:27:21,120 --> 00:27:25,500a push right now, where we haveto save the Save the platforms43200:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,760that are would be Twitter, butalso it would be Apple podcasts43300:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,780and would be Spotify. That thatI think is what what this group43400:27:33,780 --> 00:27:37,740of people want. So theyrecommend content guidelines and43500:27:37,740 --> 00:27:41,580policies, but this is regulatorswho should require podcasting43600:27:41,580 --> 00:27:44,250apps to clearly disclosed whattheir content moderation43700:27:44,250 --> 00:27:49,860policies are. Now this is okay.I mean, it's fine. Yeah. Now the43800:27:49,860 --> 00:27:54,030problem. The problem is, a lotof this is done algorithmically.43900:27:54,030 --> 00:27:57,780And I don't think anyone's goingto want to I don't think44000:27:57,780 --> 00:28:02,460anyone's going to want topublish their algos. But they44100:28:02,460 --> 00:28:06,360give some examples here Applepodcasts has a prohibition on44200:28:06,390 --> 00:28:11,910mean spirited content. Hmm. Andthey say we should know what44300:28:11,910 --> 00:28:14,910that means. Well, this isexactly the problem. You can't44400:28:14,910 --> 00:28:19,440explain mean spirited. And canit be distinguished from44500:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,460critical content? Yeah,44600:28:23,490 --> 00:28:29,550yeah. mean spirited. I mean,you're talking about I mean,44700:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,700could Ricky Gervais even have apodcast on Apple podcasts?44800:28:32,790 --> 00:28:35,010Thank you. Thank you. Well, Icertainly couldn't have any44900:28:35,010 --> 00:28:37,560podcast because I can comeacross as very mean spirited.45000:28:38,129 --> 00:28:43,379Yeah, like there's watch halfthe half the comics that are45100:28:43,379 --> 00:28:46,169alive that would would be off.45200:28:46,230 --> 00:28:50,370And I think And wouldn't that begreat. This this may be part of45300:28:50,370 --> 00:28:53,820the of the process. But now wenow there's something else. This45400:28:53,820 --> 00:29:00,120is, again, by regulation podcastapp should also be required to45500:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,750publicly and transparentlydisclosed high level details45600:29:03,750 --> 00:29:06,450about their content moderationpractices, as well as their45700:29:06,450 --> 00:29:12,300review process. I'm so happybecause we can check that box.45800:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,780None. Okay, now, none.recommendation algorithms,45900:29:19,740 --> 00:29:24,030podcasting apps should yourfavorite word should be required46000:29:24,030 --> 00:29:27,000to disclose the content thatrecommendation algorithms are46100:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840amplifying the most as well asbasic details about how those46200:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,920algorithms work? Yeah, that'snot gonna happen. No one's gonna46300:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,330publish that that's no46400:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,120information. Yeah. And most46500:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320of it is you know, is friendsfamily, payola who knows?46600:29:44,190 --> 00:29:51,180Okay, well this comes this is asso, so much of this goes back to46700:29:53,010 --> 00:29:57,570when things went from time pure,chronological reverse46800:29:57,570 --> 00:30:03,180chronological timeline to algos.because everybody is concerned,46900:30:03,210 --> 00:30:08,460all people care about is thealgo. In when you don't have an47000:30:08,460 --> 00:30:09,060algo47100:30:10,020 --> 00:30:14,190you're loser. I guess you havean algo. Oh, wait a minute. Wait47200:30:14,190 --> 00:30:17,580a minute. Wait a minute. I heardJames Cleveland, you have not47300:30:17,580 --> 00:30:22,290heard it yet. I didn't flip itfor you. He literally said,47400:30:22,860 --> 00:30:27,780podcasts index does doesfiltering podcast index has47500:30:27,780 --> 00:30:32,850decided that the German version,the rip off version of pod news47600:30:33,420 --> 00:30:36,930appears as number one in thesearch below the original pod47700:30:36,930 --> 00:30:41,010news. That is James James'swork. And he called it a47800:30:41,010 --> 00:30:41,610decision.47900:30:42,690 --> 00:30:48,120Oh, it was it was a decision,oddly enough, not even made by48000:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,350me. It was made by StevenCrowder who read submitted a48100:30:52,350 --> 00:30:56,730pull request to the website withwithout even knowing. So that's48200:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,730that's an interesting. Okay, sothis is that's actually kind of48300:30:59,730 --> 00:31:02,460an interesting discussion. Idon't want to sidetrack us here.48400:31:02,940 --> 00:31:11,250But we. So this is, I think, avery good illustration of why it48500:31:11,250 --> 00:31:18,480is so difficult to make some ofthese decisions like to why it's48600:31:18,510 --> 00:31:23,220almost absurd to expect toexpect people to be held48700:31:23,220 --> 00:31:27,090accountable for some of thesethings that are almost48800:31:27,510 --> 00:31:34,650impossible. So you have thislong standing debate between48900:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,190should the search results showthe thing that is the most49000:31:41,190 --> 00:31:48,480popular, or the thing that getsthe exact textual hit. So if you49100:31:48,480 --> 00:31:55,770search for pod, if you searchfor, let's just say Adam curry,49200:31:56,190 --> 00:32:02,760and there and there is a podcastthat exists called Adam curry.49300:32:02,850 --> 00:32:07,350That's the title of the podcastby somebody who just some rando49400:32:07,350 --> 00:32:14,700from West Virginia who created apodcast on Anchor. Well, some49500:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,500people are going to be lookingfor that Rando podcast from49600:32:19,500 --> 00:32:25,800anchor and maybe three total inthe universe. But they may be49700:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,370looking for it. And when theytype Adam curry, and they get49800:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,090back no agenda as the first hitand they have no clue who you49900:32:33,090 --> 00:32:38,670are or no agenda is. And thenfour layers down. Four levels50000:32:38,670 --> 00:32:41,400down there is the Adam currythat they looked that they were50100:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,990actually looking for the Randoon.50200:32:43,410 --> 00:32:45,270Funny thing was they wereactually looking for Adam50300:32:45,270 --> 00:32:46,950Carolla. That's why I wrote50400:32:48,450 --> 00:32:56,040her Corolla, Corolla Corolla.And so that in when the question50500:32:56,040 --> 00:33:04,020is asked, Why, if this, if thisis there is an exact match? Why50600:33:04,020 --> 00:33:07,890would that ever not be the firstresult, because it's literally50700:33:07,890 --> 00:33:12,090the exact match? Now I gave us Igave an extreme example where50800:33:12,390 --> 00:33:16,980the popularity differences is,is huge. But you could, if you,50900:33:17,220 --> 00:33:22,260if you get that example down alittle bit, it becomes more ill51000:33:22,290 --> 00:33:28,530illustrative, where you say,Okay, there's, and I went, I51100:33:28,530 --> 00:33:33,150went through this exact exercisefor a podcast host, hosting51200:33:33,150 --> 00:33:36,330company that contacted me a fewmonths ago, and said, hey, here,51300:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,580here's what we're looking to do.We want to use the index to do51400:33:38,580 --> 00:33:43,170some searches. But we reallyneed the search results, to51500:33:43,170 --> 00:33:49,620return this particular type ofresult set. And I went back and51600:33:49,620 --> 00:33:54,600forth with them through two orthree iterations to get it close51700:33:54,600 --> 00:34:01,110to what they wanted. And thequestion was being asked, well,51800:34:02,430 --> 00:34:06,960we're searching for this thing.And here's an exact hit of of51900:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,640the title. That's the one thatwe want. But it's it's like,52000:34:12,060 --> 00:34:17,580pushed down so far that is paidoff. And, and the use case here52100:34:17,580 --> 00:34:23,520was for people searching fortheir podcast. So like, it could52200:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,160be anybody. It could be peoplecoming from anchor, it could be,52300:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,050you know, anybody anywhere. Andso you're quick, the question52400:34:31,050 --> 00:34:34,650is, as you get sort of down thepopularity chain, where the52500:34:34,650 --> 00:34:39,840differences are not so huge. Itmakes, it doesn't make a lot of52600:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,190sense for you to judgepopularity. Now. It's just about52700:34:44,190 --> 00:34:48,270exact title hits. But where'sthat line? I mean, at what52800:34:48,270 --> 00:34:51,510popularity, what even ispopularity level when you're52900:34:51,510 --> 00:34:55,080talking about algorithmicdecision making, like this.53000:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,590There's there's also a couplewhere there it's a little bit of53100:34:58,590 --> 00:35:01,140apples to oranges and the reasonWhy I'm saying that is because53200:35:01,140 --> 00:35:05,730when someone's searching for apodcast or a person, it's a53300:35:05,730 --> 00:35:10,410little different than arecommendation. Now, I presume53400:35:10,410 --> 00:35:14,790that the reason why the Germanresult came first is because53500:35:14,790 --> 00:35:16,410Deutschland Uber, Alice.53600:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,300Well, that's exactly that's. Imean, obviously.53700:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,330So what So clearly, and so I'vesearched to me searches a hole.53800:35:27,330 --> 00:35:30,240It's of course it's it's algos,but it's a whole different deal53900:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,570and search as you just as youjust explained, he's really54000:35:33,570 --> 00:35:36,720hard. How do you satisfy whateverybody wants?54100:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,850Now, I'm looking at this now,sir, if you search for pod news,54200:35:42,330 --> 00:35:47,040the exact title of the first onethat comes back is pod news.54300:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,590James is James's podcast iscalled pod news, podcasting54400:35:52,590 --> 00:35:53,190news.54500:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000That's the right show. Right.54600:35:57,210 --> 00:36:00,690And that's why it flipped to thetop because when Steven54700:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,170submitted the pull request, whathe did is he changed the website54800:36:04,170 --> 00:36:08,280behavior so that it's doing twosearches. It's doing one search54900:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,850for exact title hits, andanother one using the normal55000:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,630popularity ranking that we getfrom the API.55100:36:16,170 --> 00:36:22,230Okay, so basically, it was itwas bad SEO. That is to do pod55200:36:22,230 --> 00:36:23,790news, podcasting news.55300:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,080Yeah, that's good. SEO forGoogle. Right? Yo, for us.55400:36:28,110 --> 00:36:33,150Right. Right. Now, we clearlydid not with the partner. Is55500:36:33,150 --> 00:36:35,400that is that a rip off feed thatGerman feed?55600:36:36,270 --> 00:36:39,660is? I think that I really don'tknow if55700:36:39,690 --> 00:36:44,220it's a feed from 2009 is dead.Oh, really? Yeah. It's a dead55800:36:44,220 --> 00:36:48,330feed. Well, I should say that.And then what can you also kill55900:36:48,330 --> 00:36:53,970the no agenda fee that has beenhijacked on the substack? Whoa,56000:36:53,970 --> 00:36:57,540is for real? Yeah. Someone issomebody in the index? Yep. So56100:36:57,540 --> 00:37:02,580when is mirroring the no agenda?Its current on a sub stack.56200:37:03,210 --> 00:37:06,150Which means it could be makingmoney off of it, too, I guess.56300:37:06,930 --> 00:37:11,310Yeah, they possibly. Yeah.Because that's a that's that's56400:37:11,310 --> 00:37:11,760fraud.56500:37:12,120 --> 00:37:20,430So for sure. This is acomplicated question. And is, is56600:37:20,430 --> 00:37:21,150there an answer?56700:37:23,490 --> 00:37:26,400Well, the answer the here's theclassical answer. When I say56800:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,910classical, I mean, I mean, likethe answer that has developed56900:37:29,910 --> 00:37:34,620over the last 10 years. Theanswer is, you begin to tweak57000:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,420things manually, you begin toboost, you see that, that you57100:37:39,420 --> 00:37:47,520see that the algorithm has, hasgiven you a result? That is not57200:37:47,520 --> 00:37:54,570desirable? And doesn't makesense to most people? Okay, you57300:37:54,570 --> 00:38:00,510say, Well, yeah, yes. Okay,here's five searches. Four out57400:38:00,510 --> 00:38:05,430of those five times, the exacttitle hit is giving us is giving57500:38:05,430 --> 00:38:10,290us what we want, right? Thefifth time. It's just not57600:38:10,290 --> 00:38:15,750working. And there's really noway to do it. So I can't change57700:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,090the algorithm, because that'sgoing to fix up the s gonna57800:38:18,090 --> 00:38:22,890screw up the 80% of the time iscorrect. And it's just to get57900:38:22,890 --> 00:38:27,390the 20% of the time to be right.So you go in there, and you58000:38:27,390 --> 00:38:31,860fudge it, and you manually starttweaking things, to boost58100:38:31,860 --> 00:38:36,210certain to boost certain thingsover other things when certain58200:38:36,210 --> 00:38:41,160searches happen. And now you'vegot manual curation, and now you58300:38:41,190 --> 00:38:45,390are actually making humans aremaking decisions. So here's,58400:38:47,250 --> 00:38:50,370here's the problem I have withwhat's being asked. And by the58500:38:50,370 --> 00:38:54,090way, they're putting all of thisonto the, the apps. And I know58600:38:54,090 --> 00:38:58,770that they really mean apple andSpotify. They they say apps, I58700:38:58,770 --> 00:39:03,870don't think they mean overcast,the curio cast or pod friend58800:39:03,870 --> 00:39:09,660podcast. I don't think they meanany of that. By why is it that58900:39:09,660 --> 00:39:18,090podcast apps would be forced todo all this work. And remove59000:39:18,090 --> 00:39:21,360stuff, tell people why theyremoved it, but actually remove59100:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,270it. And search engines can justwhile we're down ranking, they59200:39:27,270 --> 00:39:31,230get a pass. They don't they'renot forced to by any legislation59300:39:31,230 --> 00:39:32,700to remove content.59400:39:33,660 --> 00:39:36,720And the exact ad the exact dataand I can answer that question,59500:39:36,930 --> 00:39:47,130okay. The answer to that is in aarticle from September 7 200159600:39:47,130 --> 00:39:53,190and The New York Times, okay.The title of this article is US59700:39:53,190 --> 00:39:57,960versus Microsoft. The lobbying.A huge four year crusade gets59800:39:57,960 --> 00:40:05,190credit for a coup. From saidarticle, it says from a cold59900:40:05,190 --> 00:40:09,240start just four years ago,Microsoft assembled a formidable60000:40:09,240 --> 00:40:13,110lobbying apparatus that workedto touch anyone who could have60100:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,410any influence over the antitrustcase to case against it.60200:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,640Particularly during last year'selection campaign. Republican60300:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,940candidates including GeorgeBush, Microsoft and its60400:40:23,940 --> 00:40:28,140employees donated $4.6 millionlast year to federal political60500:40:28,140 --> 00:40:31,770candidates or parties, more thantwo thirds of it to Republicans,60600:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,370according to an analysis by theCenter for Responsive Politics,60700:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,480and the company paid at least 6million more to lobbyists who60800:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,880are charged with persuadingpoliticians to accept60900:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,070Microsoft's point of view. Goinga little bit deeper, it says61000:40:49,020 --> 00:40:50,760when the Clintonadministration's Justice61100:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,760Department filed his first suitagainst Microsoft in the fall of61200:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,71097, the company had a one manlobbying shop here and we're61300:40:58,740 --> 00:41:02,370here in DC, with an office abovea suburban Washington shopping61400:41:02,370 --> 00:41:05,340mall. The company's politicaldonations of all types to61500:41:05,340 --> 00:41:08,640federal candidates that yeartotaled less than $100,000.61600:41:09,090 --> 00:41:11,760Microsoft, then, companyexecutives said at the time61700:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,690considered Washington, a distantand largely irrelevant.on, the61800:41:15,690 --> 00:41:18,870map far removed both physicallyand spiritually from his61900:41:18,870 --> 00:41:25,170headquarters outside of Seattle.So yeah, they this is why people62000:41:25,170 --> 00:41:30,660like this is why companies likeGoogle will never have anybody62100:41:31,230 --> 00:41:37,440in Washington. Seriously, theymay they may lip service, do a,62200:41:37,950 --> 00:41:42,000me know do some sort of zoomcall with them or whatever, just62300:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,850to get some political points,but they'll never seriously62400:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,650tinker with them or force themto do anything. No, because62500:41:50,130 --> 00:41:55,530billions and billions of dollarsof campaign contributions are at62600:41:55,530 --> 00:41:59,550stake. That's that's youranswer. Bet and podcast index.62700:41:59,730 --> 00:42:04,470Sure. Somebody may come youknow, try to embarrass us for62800:42:04,470 --> 00:42:08,640our decisions or Spotify. Maybebecause who knows? They probably62900:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,320don't do much lobbying. But assoon as the spigots open, and63000:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,800the lobby money flows, Oh,that's right. This is all these63100:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,400things disappear. And remember,Brookings Institute, Brookings63200:42:20,610 --> 00:42:26,820is a lot is a think tank inWashington. Yeah, all these63300:42:26,820 --> 00:42:30,480think tanks are headquartered inDC. They all play by they all go63400:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,400to a lobbyist lunches, andthings like it's all the so63500:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,450believe me. This is allpolitical. This whole article63600:42:39,450 --> 00:42:43,950was political. There's this somereasonable ideas in here, you63700:42:43,950 --> 00:42:48,180know, the transparency is fine.It makes total sense. But under63800:42:48,180 --> 00:42:50,640the recommended algorithms isonly four we only have one more63900:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,230to go. As we documented lastyear, more than 50% of popular64000:42:55,230 --> 00:42:58,200political podcast episodesbetween the November election64100:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,800and the January sixth assault onthe US Capitol contained64200:43:01,830 --> 00:43:06,420electoral misinformation. Andand I didn't clip it, but I64300:43:06,420 --> 00:43:11,820heard that I was in the car. AndI heard pieces from President64400:43:11,820 --> 00:43:15,930Obama's speech at Stanfordtoday. And lo and behold, if he64500:43:15,930 --> 00:43:20,850didn't say, Steve Bannon has aproblem and content like Steve64600:43:20,850 --> 00:43:25,350Bannon does have to has to bedealt with. I'm paraphrasing.64700:43:25,710 --> 00:43:29,880And if you look at the previousarticle, like you said, January64800:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,5804 value workshop offer. She saysin links to it here, just as we64900:43:35,580 --> 00:43:38,220documented earlier this year,and there it is, on the morning65000:43:38,220 --> 00:43:41,430of January 6 2021, Steve Bannonencouraged the audience of his65100:43:41,430 --> 00:43:45,690podcast, not to waver theirfaith. So this is a coordinated65200:43:45,900 --> 00:43:51,810attack. On all forms of media,they these people, and these65300:43:51,810 --> 00:43:56,310people specifically, just don'tlike the fact that anyone says65400:43:56,310 --> 00:43:58,560something that's not in linewith what they say. And they65500:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,320have a platform they don't likeit. And here's65600:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,030the from from this New YorkTimes article again. The65700:44:06,030 --> 00:44:09,930lobbyist, remember, this is fromMicrosoft. The lobbyists spread65800:44:09,930 --> 00:44:13,140position papers aroundWashington and wrote op ed page65900:44:13,140 --> 00:44:17,280pieces, among many other tacticsthat grew so numerous and66000:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,510prolific, that they sometimeswound up quoting each other. In66100:44:21,870 --> 00:44:26,1001998. While the suit was intrial, Mr. Barber wrote an66200:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,010opinion article for thechronicle of for the chronicle66300:44:29,010 --> 00:44:31,950of Augusta, Georgia, making theargument that the American66400:44:31,950 --> 00:44:35,490people oppose the governmentsuit to support that he cited a66500:44:35,490 --> 00:44:38,910national survey published by twoother Microsoft finance groups,66600:44:39,090 --> 00:44:41,880Citizens Against GovernmentWaste in the technology access66700:44:41,940 --> 00:44:44,760Action Coalition. There'sthere's your think tanks and66800:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,330there's that's how theyeffectively lobby on behalf of66900:44:48,330 --> 00:44:49,020corporate interest67000:44:49,050 --> 00:44:55,140also. So this is a a lobbyingpiece. And the final piece is67100:44:55,140 --> 00:44:58,620funding and this is where itgets really funny. At present67200:44:58,620 --> 00:45:01,380advertising represents theprimary source of revenue for67300:45:01,380 --> 00:45:06,000the podcasting ecosystem. WhileApple requires advertising to be67400:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,700in compliance with the law andSpotify requires content67500:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,160providers to comply withapplicable laws and regulations,67600:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,250including sanctions and exportregulations, there are few67700:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,000obvious guidelines in place forfinancial disclosures in67800:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,930podcasting, beyond thosedictated between sponsor and67900:45:21,930 --> 00:45:25,770series. So, you know, this is aproblem, where's the money68000:45:25,770 --> 00:45:30,270coming from? Furthermore, it isunclear how apps might determine68100:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,300if and where to report when apodcast is, in fact, in68200:45:33,420 --> 00:45:38,700violation of applicable laws. Asa result, anyone could in68300:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,690theory, provide financialsupport for a podcast, including68400:45:42,750 --> 00:45:48,900foreign governments or obscurefunders link, the link, the link68500:45:48,900 --> 00:45:53,550goes to Steve Bannon was deplatformed. And obscure media68600:45:53,550 --> 00:45:56,550mogul keeps him on the air sothat you see what this is all68700:45:56,550 --> 00:46:00,210about. As with radio reporting,guidelines, regulators could68800:46:00,210 --> 00:46:02,940help bring transparency to thisopaque business model by68900:46:02,940 --> 00:46:06,300delineating clear publicfinancial reporting processes69000:46:06,300 --> 00:46:14,220for podcast series. Sointeresting, because if they69100:46:14,220 --> 00:46:19,680start to write regularlegislation or regulations about69200:46:19,980 --> 00:46:24,840who's funding a podcast, I I'dlike to have some transparency69300:46:24,870 --> 00:46:30,060for all media, then. Let's makesure everybody knows exactly how69400:46:30,060 --> 00:46:33,000much Pfizer is spending on cablenews.69500:46:33,510 --> 00:46:37,200Yeah, I want a spreadsheetshowing it every donation to Fox69600:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,270News, and MSNBC and all ofthese, these outfits I want, I69700:46:42,270 --> 00:46:46,410want a spreadsheet that showsthe top the top donors donors,69800:46:46,590 --> 00:46:49,770average out the top advertisersand how much they spend every69900:46:49,770 --> 00:46:52,890quarter. That's what I want.That's if we're gonna do it.70000:46:52,890 --> 00:46:54,480Let's just do it from top tobottom. No, but70100:46:55,380 --> 00:47:00,570the thing is, none of this is ishard to figure out. But they70200:47:00,570 --> 00:47:04,890want it to be different forSteve Bannon, I guess. Yeah. I70300:47:04,890 --> 00:47:09,630think that's a good very goodthat you. That you that you70400:47:09,630 --> 00:47:13,530pulled up that New York Timesarticle, cuz that says it all70500:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,680I'll finish the immature contentand moderation Ruse and blah,70600:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,610blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway,with Spotify, YouTube, and now70700:47:20,610 --> 00:47:23,940substack, stealing contententering the podcasting market70800:47:23,940 --> 00:47:27,030in ways that up in the West,open architecture, the medium,70900:47:27,180 --> 00:47:30,120the space now encompasses bothmore traditional media business71000:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,390models, as well as newer, moredecentralized ones value for71100:47:33,390 --> 00:47:37,440value anybody. Lightning Networkas a result of flexible, broadly71200:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,810applicable approach tomonitoring content and71300:47:39,810 --> 00:47:42,150regulating podcast platformswill become increasingly71400:47:42,150 --> 00:47:45,630critical. It's only if you're inthe business of winning or71500:47:45,630 --> 00:47:49,380losing elections, I guess thatit becomes critical. So but I71600:47:49,380 --> 00:47:54,120think this is one of the one ofthe two or three reasons that we71700:47:54,120 --> 00:47:59,910will not see Facebook doinganything of any and I think I71800:47:59,910 --> 00:48:03,180said this from day one, this isLucy and the football, how many71900:48:03,180 --> 00:48:07,320times you're gonna see this.Same with YouTube. What else is72000:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,030on the horizon? What other Imean, look,72100:48:12,450 --> 00:48:14,190even for Facebook, Amazon, I72200:48:14,190 --> 00:48:17,760know. I know what happened withFacebook, Facebook saw72300:48:18,570 --> 00:48:22,200clubhouse, and they went, Yeah,we got to do that. And everyone,72400:48:22,230 --> 00:48:24,330you know, it takes a while toramp this stuff off. And we'll72500:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,540do it with podcasting. Though.Cubans doing it. I was getting72600:48:27,540 --> 00:48:31,290to the guy, and ones rockin androllin. And then and then all72700:48:31,290 --> 00:48:34,260sudden the news is well,clubhouse is broken as dead, no72800:48:34,260 --> 00:48:37,500one uses it as falling apart, dono more downloads, whatever the72900:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,470metric is. And that's wheneveryone pulls the plug, because73000:48:40,470 --> 00:48:47,760what they know is you just can'tmake a lot of money, Google73100:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,080level money. With podcastadvertising. There's not enough.73200:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,810There's not enough a level brandsponsors that will take that73300:48:57,810 --> 00:48:58,470leap.73400:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,630No, there's just there's justnot that you can't. Yeah, the73500:49:03,630 --> 00:49:09,360only way to the only way to makeany money in, in podcast73600:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,570advertising is to sell is tosell the ad so broadly, but you73700:49:15,570 --> 00:49:19,290can't do it. You you do it onvolume. But you can't do that.73800:49:19,290 --> 00:49:20,280Because it's not73900:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,670brands say no, it doesn't work.And here's here's the here's the74000:49:23,670 --> 00:49:27,930clue. From what I understandFacebook and this, this is what74100:49:27,930 --> 00:49:32,940every single Podcast Networkdoes. And I know this because I74200:49:32,940 --> 00:49:35,610went through this cycle. This iswhy I keep telling people you74300:49:35,610 --> 00:49:40,050can't monetize the network. Theminute you see a podcast network74400:49:40,050 --> 00:49:44,550or platform, announced thefollowing. Well, we're going to74500:49:44,550 --> 00:49:47,850do branded podcasts. So we'regoing to do a podcast from74600:49:47,850 --> 00:49:51,750McDonald's. We're gonna producea podcast for Citibank. That74700:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,710means it failed. They couldn'tmake money on advertising. So74800:49:55,710 --> 00:49:59,220instead and the advertisers theywant, they want a cool podcast74900:49:59,220 --> 00:50:02,160but they want total control. Somake it our podcast, and we'll75000:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,700pay you for it. And I believe Ithink is Facebook is going to75100:50:05,700 --> 00:50:11,880charge a million bucks. For a Isee Face Book, branded pocket.75200:50:11,940 --> 00:50:14,550That is the death of theindustry. That's that's the main75300:50:14,550 --> 00:50:22,740reason that I said, no, no. Herebranded podcasts. So no, I have75400:50:22,740 --> 00:50:26,100have to leave pod show have toleave me Bo because now we're75500:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,340just making podcasts for theadvertisers instead of having75600:50:29,340 --> 00:50:34,860the advertisers advertise on theshows. Yeah. Branded podcast75700:50:34,860 --> 00:50:37,380works with brands, creatingdigital content is part of an75800:50:37,380 --> 00:50:39,750integrated marketing orelearning strategy.75900:50:41,340 --> 00:50:46,740Well, I had somebody privatelytell me, probably houses76000:50:46,740 --> 00:50:53,040probably maybe nine months agothat that they were doing76100:50:53,070 --> 00:50:58,200getting out of just doingpodcast shows like starting new76200:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,030shows and starting to do more.Exactly, exactly this brand76300:51:03,060 --> 00:51:06,450branded, specific corporatepodcast.76400:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120I think gimlet wasn't gimletalso doing this.76500:51:09,810 --> 00:51:13,860I don't know. And well, thereason they told me was that is76600:51:13,860 --> 00:51:17,910just money. They're like, I canjust make more money. If the if76700:51:17,910 --> 00:51:21,090the corporation just pays medirectly and I just do what they76800:51:21,090 --> 00:51:26,190tell me to Yeah, like, it's justa whole I can, I can do. I can76900:51:26,190 --> 00:51:29,400make as much money from one ofthose shows as I can from four77000:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,450of the other ones, but77100:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,580even more, even more. Yeah.77200:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,990And that's guaranteed brandsafe.77300:51:37,230 --> 00:51:41,670Here Game Live, which waspurchased by my Spotify. gimlet77400:51:41,670 --> 00:51:44,160has two core advertisingproducts, traditional77500:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,200advertisements, and brandedcontent. They all have to hear77600:51:49,350 --> 00:51:52,800branded content is anything elsewe make for a brand or company?77700:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,670If for example, Acme Inc, asksus to make a weekly podcast for77800:51:56,670 --> 00:51:59,580them in which we interview AcmeInc, scientists and over which77900:51:59,580 --> 00:52:03,000they have final creativecontrol. That's branded content.78000:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,770It sure is.78100:52:05,430 --> 00:52:09,810And that's that end becausethey've seen it. You it's been78200:52:09,810 --> 00:52:18,240the same for for me for 15years, 17 years. It always winds78300:52:18,240 --> 00:52:23,070up with that. Either. You'remaking really cheap, really low,78400:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,910low grade production content,just to have high volume and you78500:52:26,910 --> 00:52:32,790got a lot of square space andCasper mattresses and what is78600:52:32,790 --> 00:52:39,990the manscape manscaping funny wegot it we John and I both got a78700:52:39,990 --> 00:52:43,620manscaping pitch. Hey, we thinkmanscaped will be a great great78800:52:43,620 --> 00:52:48,300product for the no agenda showthis really. Man says heavier. I78900:52:48,330 --> 00:52:51,450John got into it with the guylike I checked out like, I can't79000:52:51,450 --> 00:52:55,740believe he answered it. Butthat's it. It's not going to79100:52:55,740 --> 00:52:59,190work. There's no money, notenough money. And let's put it79200:52:59,190 --> 00:53:03,510that way. Now. Is there abusiness for you to have79300:53:03,510 --> 00:53:06,960individual sponsors and it maybe relevant like a lot of79400:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,680Bitcoin podcast. I think there'sthere's some relevance there. I79500:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,790love some of the advertising onBitcoin. I got a what is it?79600:53:15,690 --> 00:53:22,440Accuracy? Oculus. It's ahardware. It's a hardware wallet79700:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,170and an act like a treasure townlooking like a treasure type?79800:53:25,229 --> 00:53:29,669Yeah, yeah. But it but it's ait's actually a like a metal79900:53:29,699 --> 00:53:33,479credit card size card. And ithas Yeah, I think I've seen80000:53:33,479 --> 00:53:36,449that. And you hold it againstthe back of the phone. That80100:53:36,449 --> 00:53:40,199that's your private key. Oh,yeah. So it's kind of cool.80200:53:40,229 --> 00:53:44,069Yeah. So you have the app on thephone. And you can do it two80300:53:44,069 --> 00:53:46,289ways. You can set it up. You canit's three factor80400:53:46,289 --> 00:53:50,669authentication. So in one mode,you fire up the app, you have to80500:53:50,669 --> 00:53:54,029use your biometrics, which Ifind useless because if80600:53:54,029 --> 00:53:57,869someone's got me, they can theycan get through that one easy,80700:53:58,469 --> 00:54:02,489then it then you can doeverything you want receive. But80800:54:02,489 --> 00:54:07,109if you want to send, then youhave to do two things, you have80900:54:07,109 --> 00:54:11,249to enter the passcode. And youhave to hold the near field81000:54:11,249 --> 00:54:14,159communication. You have to holdthe card with a private key on81100:54:14,159 --> 00:54:18,989it. The way I like it is the appis it the minute it opens up, it81200:54:18,989 --> 00:54:21,419says you got to have this card,otherwise I'm not going any81300:54:21,419 --> 00:54:25,409further. And the other twofactors is when you send81400:54:25,409 --> 00:54:31,649something What's it called? Ithought it was our cute little81500:54:31,649 --> 00:54:33,239rise. I have one here actuallyhold on.81600:54:33,810 --> 00:54:37,380Oh, you actually physically haveone? Yeah. Oh, actually,81700:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,330it's funny because I bought onefor myself and one for Tina,81800:54:42,540 --> 00:54:47,490Oculus AR c u l u s t i had the,of course, this is what81900:54:47,490 --> 00:54:50,310everybody does is like hey, man,I gotta get a hardware wallet82000:54:50,310 --> 00:54:55,290because you know, my valuableBitcoins. And so I got the, you82100:54:55,290 --> 00:54:58,200know, the trays or whatever thatis I got one of those. And the82200:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,180other day I'm like, I got toconsolidate. I've got to Many82300:55:00,180 --> 00:55:02,970wallets, everyone want to put itall into one or most of it all82400:55:02,970 --> 00:55:06,570into one wallet as a separateemergency wallet that I know the82500:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,290passcode the 12 words out frommemory, but I don't want82600:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,990everything there. So now I'mgonna start collecting stuff. So82700:55:16,020 --> 00:55:20,070and this is this pissed me offto no end. So I get my tracer82800:55:20,970 --> 00:55:24,390and I you know I set it I plugit in, I fire up the software on82900:55:24,390 --> 00:55:27,030the on the computer, andeverything's out of date because83000:55:27,030 --> 00:55:30,960I haven't used this thing foryou know, for two years maybe.83100:55:31,890 --> 00:55:35,070So, so the firmware is out ofdate, the software is telling me83200:55:35,070 --> 00:55:38,400to upgrade. And you know, it'slike having trouble connected to83300:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,700your to your device and like,Oh, my goodness, I have to83400:55:41,700 --> 00:55:45,810troubleshoot the whole point isall it does is just giving me a83500:55:45,810 --> 00:55:48,690key, right? It just, yeah, it'sgiven me the key to do83600:55:48,690 --> 00:55:54,270something. But ah, so I decideto do the best thing, the83700:55:54,270 --> 00:56:00,990fastest thing is to go goretrieve the seed words, and I83800:56:00,990 --> 00:56:05,940just recreated that wallet inblue, then sent it all over to83900:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,730the final destination andthrough that trays are out.84000:56:10,170 --> 00:56:13,860Yeah, that this just just do acold card if you want to do84100:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,890that. I mean, you don't have toyou don't the more technology84200:56:16,890 --> 00:56:20,370you get on the other side ofthat the more fraud it is, I84300:56:20,370 --> 00:56:23,910mean, that's the real so I don'tbelieve in I mean, if you need84400:56:23,970 --> 00:56:27,240money, Bitcoin, lightning,whatever, you know, just put a84500:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,720little bit I got I use breezetypically, and I got, you know,84600:56:30,870 --> 00:56:35,160500 bucks on that. And, youknow, for if I need to pay for84700:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,770something and if I need torefill a wall, it's just handy84800:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,650to have it in one night. Mywhole fortune is not going to be84900:56:40,650 --> 00:56:47,910on that. So so I don't need touse you know, a hardware key for85000:56:47,910 --> 00:56:50,310daily transactions. That'ssomething you basically want to85100:56:50,310 --> 00:56:53,310have at home or in the safe or,you know, something that you can85200:56:53,310 --> 00:56:58,710then go retrieve and use it butwhen you retrieve it and want to85300:56:58,710 --> 00:57:05,940use it. And everything's out ofdate.85400:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,500Yeah, yeah, that's that's theworld if everything has85500:57:10,500 --> 00:57:13,920firmware. Your life's gonna becrap. Yeah.85600:57:16,230 --> 00:57:20,280Oculus by the way is kick assit. I do like that. Like that85700:57:20,280 --> 00:57:20,730idea.85800:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,250People don't understand. Butwhat people don't know is that85900:57:23,250 --> 00:57:27,330this is this the last 10 minutesconversation have been of native86000:57:27,330 --> 00:57:28,290ad for archivists.86100:57:30,150 --> 00:57:31,530Hey, let's do somethingdifferent.86200:57:32,910 --> 00:57:39,960And now it's time for some hotpodcasting standards talk. The86300:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,680same ring86400:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,420on it. Let's play it again.86500:57:46,890 --> 00:57:52,380And now it's time for some hotpodcasting standards talk.86600:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,630doesn't quite have the samering.86700:57:58,950 --> 00:58:01,710This is a fresh name. Jennifer.That's86800:58:01,710 --> 00:58:04,470right, baby. We're not We're notmessing her. I think she did a86900:58:04,470 --> 00:58:06,540standard one without it withoutthat tagline.87000:58:07,350 --> 00:58:13,620Okay. So the, you know,Castillo's, you and our friends.87100:58:13,890 --> 00:58:18,840Yes. Yes. Yes. Matt And Greg.They are now shipping pod pink87200:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,230support in their seriouslysimple podcasting plugin. False.87300:58:22,259 --> 00:58:25,019Yeah. Beautiful. And are weseeing pings?87400:58:25,859 --> 00:58:32,279I have not looked yet. Butmostly because I don't know how87500:58:32,279 --> 00:58:33,749to identify them yet.87600:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,710So by URL, basically. Well,busy. It's87700:58:37,710 --> 00:58:39,660not that these are all selfhosted.87800:58:39,660 --> 00:58:44,040Right? Well, yeah. Well, howmany self hosted URLs? Will we87900:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,250see? Not many, I don't thinkWell, in general, I don't know88000:58:47,250 --> 00:58:49,560how many people are pod pingingand self hosting.88100:58:50,010 --> 00:58:54,030You know, that's, that's a goodpoint. That's a good point. So88200:58:54,030 --> 00:59:00,480we need to start looking for etCie, I'll just look up throw it88300:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,610up here and I'll occupant on it.But they they did this in there.88400:59:05,730 --> 00:59:09,690This is like a you know, you canupgrade your WordPress plugin.88500:59:10,050 --> 00:59:12,720So then it's going to take awhile for this to sort of like,88600:59:13,500 --> 00:59:17,070filter out as people upgrade tothe new version that has this in88700:59:17,070 --> 00:59:20,520it. And I don't I mean, I don'tknow how many installs they88800:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,210have. I started watching theother day trying to spot some88900:59:24,210 --> 00:59:26,970and I guess just it was just toonew. It only been released like89000:59:26,970 --> 00:59:32,340six hours before so nobody hadupgraded yet. But I started89100:59:33,900 --> 00:59:39,990trying to figure out how manyinstalls this was. And I want to89200:59:39,990 --> 00:59:44,700say that. I want to say thatMatt had told me once before or89300:59:44,700 --> 00:59:47,880told us I think he said on theshow that it was something like89400:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,79020,000 But I don't maybe I canbe completely made that I can89500:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,840make the number of the seats inthe past they didn't have a way89600:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,010like power press plus the fee.generator tagging the RSS feed,89701:00:02,700 --> 01:00:05,280so that you can identify Okay,here's a power press install89801:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,490because their power press and Nseriously symbol are the same89901:00:08,910 --> 01:00:13,260type of deal. They're bothWordPress plugins. And, but the90001:00:13,260 --> 01:00:17,400seriously simple did not put agenerator tag in. So I couldn't90101:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,450always identify. So if it's aself hosted URL, then you don't90201:00:21,450 --> 01:00:26,460know who it is. Or what youdon't know how to credit it.90301:00:26,460 --> 01:00:30,150Usually it should be credited,really as Castillo's. But90401:00:30,510 --> 01:00:34,230there's no way to divert toidentify. But there, but this is90501:00:34,230 --> 01:00:37,290great. I mean, this is awesome.They're using the hybrid key,90601:00:37,590 --> 01:00:42,030that half and half key that wetalked about. And they're using90701:00:42,030 --> 01:00:44,820that and they're the first.They're the first one to push90801:00:44,820 --> 01:00:50,580out. Pod ping to self hostedpodcasters. Way to go. Yeah,90901:00:51,390 --> 01:00:54,930yes, kids killer, and they'reusing pod ping dot cloud, which91001:00:54,930 --> 01:00:56,250is the right way to do it. So91101:00:56,250 --> 01:00:59,610the pod press plugin should beable to do this too. I guess91201:00:59,610 --> 01:01:00,630anyone should be able to do it.91301:01:00,689 --> 01:01:07,139Yeah. Yeah. And when I gave Toddand Mike, the keys and91401:01:07,139 --> 01:01:09,599everything for them. Yeah, Ithink they're I think they're91501:01:09,599 --> 01:01:09,989working on91601:01:09,990 --> 01:01:12,150it. Yeah. Now that now that theycan stop the Facebook91701:01:12,150 --> 01:01:13,230integration work.91801:01:14,820 --> 01:01:17,040Yeah. Not on the priority list.And that's a91901:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,000friendly rub. That's a friendlyrub. Oh, and I forgot to mention92001:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,340as part of the previous topic,the Obamas exclusive deal was92101:01:26,340 --> 01:01:28,770ending. And I think we'vediscussed that many times what92201:01:28,770 --> 01:01:31,920the problems were were that.Yeah, although it's fun to see92301:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,650the Obama say, Yeah, we're notthinking of renewing with92401:01:34,650 --> 01:01:38,640Spotify, we're looking foranother partner. And Zero Hedge.92501:01:39,690 --> 01:01:44,640Definitely more conservative.Their headline was Spotify drops92601:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,540the Obamas.92701:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,870I think that is probably closerto the truth.92801:01:51,900 --> 01:01:56,250I think so. I think so too.Because, again, didn't pan out92901:01:56,250 --> 01:01:57,450the way they wanted it.93001:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,780And I'll tell you exactly why itpan it didn't pan out. It has93101:02:00,780 --> 01:02:05,790nothing to do with with theirwith them politically. It was93201:02:05,790 --> 01:02:06,870boring.93301:02:06,900 --> 01:02:10,920Thank you. This show was soboring. That's the one thing93401:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,950that everyone forgets to talkabout. It was yes. And the Bruce93501:02:13,950 --> 01:02:17,760Springsteen thing that Brock didwas like, No,93601:02:18,990 --> 01:02:22,560I sat through an hour and a halfof that of that crap, just to93701:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,830get some funny clips. And Iremember that, and I remember93801:02:25,830 --> 01:02:27,240that again, ever again.93901:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,270I still have one of those clips94001:02:30,450 --> 01:02:35,970that I got a baller at a ballerclip from, from the shale. And I94101:02:35,970 --> 01:02:37,410think got a couple of clips fromthe show.94201:02:37,410 --> 01:02:40,440here's the here's one from ObamaSpringsteen94301:02:43,620 --> 01:02:46,680and not knock on some doors withme and make some phone calls94401:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,420with me if you chose this.94501:02:51,870 --> 01:02:55,290No, no, it's not your clip.You're right. What is that?94601:02:55,290 --> 01:02:58,800That's not Obama springs. ObamaSpringsteen.94701:02:59,190 --> 01:03:01,380He was fired up, though. Yeah,well, that94801:03:01,380 --> 01:03:02,520was a while ago, I guess.94901:03:02,879 --> 01:03:05,909Maybe Springsteen opened forObama on this campaign.95001:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,530We have. This may be your clip.95101:03:10,710 --> 01:03:13,650This episode of The MichelleObama podcast is brought to you95201:03:13,650 --> 01:03:14,670by Salesforce.95301:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,140No, no, that's not it.95401:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,080Well, that that could have beenmy clip, because I could have95501:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,290been saying that this isn'tgonna last very long.95601:03:22,379 --> 01:03:25,649Right. Well, you know, from whatI understood, they couldn't fill95701:03:25,649 --> 01:03:28,139the the inventory. And that'swhy after three months, they95801:03:28,139 --> 01:03:30,749opened it up. And every podcastI've had, it was no longer95901:03:30,749 --> 01:03:31,499exclusive.96001:03:31,919 --> 01:03:36,989Yeah. And Spotify told Spotifytold the press that Oh, no, that96101:03:36,989 --> 01:03:39,389was just that was justwindowing, that was advertiser96201:03:39,389 --> 01:03:42,719windowing. See? Yeah, we weregoing to keep it exclusive for a96301:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,899little while and then open itup, which, you know, and that's96401:03:45,899 --> 01:03:48,989fine that they said that, exceptnow that we now we know, the96501:03:48,989 --> 01:03:52,679Spotify laws about all thisstuff they do. So it's not real.96601:03:53,069 --> 01:03:53,399Yeah,96701:03:53,730 --> 01:03:58,140it's, but just bottom line. Ijust need to say it. It's96801:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,790individually on a smaller scale.Yeah, you can of course get96901:04:02,790 --> 01:04:07,530sponsors. You know, we do notreally have a great what do they97001:04:07,530 --> 01:04:12,630call it programmatic adinsertion industry for97101:04:12,630 --> 01:04:16,800podcasting. And by the nature ofthe content that cannot be97201:04:17,070 --> 01:04:23,790whatever happened to the adadvertising jacked amongst us97301:04:23,790 --> 01:04:27,960who wanted transcripts so thenmachines who go in and make sure97401:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,650there was relevant advertising,it's all to me. This is all just97501:04:31,650 --> 01:04:35,310dreams. No one's doing thiswork. No one's no one's planning97601:04:35,310 --> 01:04:39,720on it. Yeah, I don't see anybodywaiting around for the ship97701:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,320people.97801:04:42,270 --> 01:04:46,590On the well, yeah, here'ssomething on a similar, a97901:04:46,590 --> 01:04:51,780similar vein but slightlydifferent. Did you read the blue98001:04:51,780 --> 01:04:57,480sky? The latest thing like blogupdate post thing from the blue98101:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,620sky theme.98201:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,220If you talking to one from acouple of weeks ago or like two98301:05:02,220 --> 01:05:04,380weeks ago. Yes. If there'ssomething newer than98401:05:04,860 --> 01:05:07,920three weeks ago, yeah, yeah, Danand as like this is from like,98501:05:08,070 --> 01:05:10,170two or three weeks ago wherethey're talking about their,98601:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,730their latest, you know, updateand what they're working on. And98701:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,750basically, just bring all ofyour activity pub and everything98801:05:18,750 --> 01:05:21,810else that might work, and we'lljam it all in there. That's how98901:05:21,810 --> 01:05:22,320I wrote it.99001:05:22,590 --> 01:05:27,150Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if I canfind they, I think they give it99101:05:27,150 --> 01:05:30,300a weird website. I'm not sure ifI can actually find it. But99201:05:30,630 --> 01:05:34,860yeah, the Bluse. So, you know,blue sky was split, like a split99301:05:34,860 --> 01:05:37,650off of Twitter. I don't thinkthey're not part of Twitter or99401:05:37,650 --> 01:05:40,500they. I think they're a separatecompany.99501:05:40,650 --> 01:05:44,220I'm not sure. Okay.99601:05:44,610 --> 01:05:48,420I think they are. And theirwhole thing was, was when this99701:05:48,420 --> 01:05:52,740was a brainchild of Jack Dorsey,when he was at Twitter in order99801:05:52,740 --> 01:05:59,310to federate, Twitter, like, turnit into a federated system.99901:05:59,340 --> 01:06:01,260Right, sort of like Mastodon,100001:06:01,620 --> 01:06:06,510right. Actually, they are inthey are independent from100101:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,000Twitter's development, but theyare completely funded by100201:06:09,000 --> 01:06:09,450Twitter.100301:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,030Okay, all right. Well,100401:06:13,140 --> 01:06:17,070I'm sorry, a public benefit LLC.Okay, I guess they are really a100501:06:17,070 --> 01:06:17,940separate company.100601:06:18,690 --> 01:06:20,970But their main donor is to it.Yeah. Yeah.100701:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,590That's where the resources camefrom.100801:06:23,549 --> 01:06:26,429Okay. And I mean, who knows howlong they'll they'll last, you100901:06:26,429 --> 01:06:29,789know, John's Birla called themvaporware. And that's probably101001:06:30,689 --> 01:06:34,439that's probably closer toreality than anything else. But101101:06:35,729 --> 01:06:41,699you know, blue the, the blog,kind of, it's called the title101201:06:41,699 --> 01:06:44,909of the blog post is called aself authenticating social101301:06:44,909 --> 01:06:47,069protocol is from April 6,101401:06:47,100 --> 01:06:49,170right? That's sort of what Yeah.101501:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,590I think this is worth talkingabout. Because here's my issue101601:06:55,590 --> 01:06:59,880with it, they make it kind ofclear in this, in this post that101701:06:59,880 --> 01:07:05,220they will not be doing activityPope. They say that activity pub101801:07:05,640 --> 01:07:12,120in there is not doesn't fittheir model in me so that101901:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,990they're going to, I guess, tryto roll something new. Which is102001:07:15,990 --> 01:07:18,300fine. I mean, you know, if youwant to roll something if it's102101:07:18,300 --> 01:07:21,750better and activitypub everybodyOh, no, he's the new thing. But102201:07:22,710 --> 01:07:30,210the part that that bothered mewas this self authenticating102301:07:30,210 --> 01:07:38,790data and identity taught inthis? This is a this is a thing102401:07:38,790 --> 01:07:44,070where it's where does the lineget crossed? So that it, you102501:07:44,070 --> 01:07:49,320know, honey, let me come at it adifferent way. So there's a102601:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,850difference between verifying whoyou are authenticating who you102701:07:53,850 --> 01:08:01,080are, and identifying who youare. Right? And this feels the102801:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,880way they're talking in thisarticle. Feels a little bit too102901:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,500much like the second one.103001:08:08,730 --> 01:08:10,440Identifying who you are.103101:08:10,890 --> 01:08:15,210Yeah, I want to be they talk awhole lot about identity and how103201:08:15,210 --> 01:08:21,060you you can own your identity.And then you can take that from103301:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,270from social media to socialmedia say okay, I'm the same103401:08:24,270 --> 01:08:25,020person here is103501:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,640this this is this is the nextfrontier. I think you're seeing103601:08:29,640 --> 01:08:36,990this with the a lot of the oh,what's it called? There's what's103701:08:36,990 --> 01:08:42,060the initiative? The think ID?Yeah, it's the what did you call103801:08:42,060 --> 01:08:42,210it?103901:08:42,719 --> 01:08:45,029The D ID and distributed?104001:08:46,590 --> 01:08:50,970No, I'm talking about puregovernmental projects where they104101:08:51,180 --> 01:08:54,450they want everyone to have awallet on your phone and in the104201:08:54,630 --> 01:09:00,270in the order that they call it?Maybe cash? No, no you have in104301:09:00,270 --> 01:09:03,510there as you have your passport,your driver's license your plane104401:09:03,510 --> 01:09:06,810tickets, a little bit like whatApple already has, but they want104501:09:06,810 --> 01:09:10,890this to all be on one platform.And of course you will use that104601:09:10,890 --> 01:09:13,800identity to interact with thegovernment you will use that104701:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,840identity pay your taxes you liketo use identity to borrow you104801:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,280know to watch Netflix, this iswhat they want. They want they I104901:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,690say they because I feel it's aglobalist, they want to be able105001:09:27,690 --> 01:09:31,620to to identify everybody Thishas always been part of the105101:09:31,650 --> 01:09:35,040mission. You know, why? Why dowe have to scan QR codes105201:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,300everywhere. You know, even ifyou just want to get a test. You105301:09:39,300 --> 01:09:40,740have to scan the QR code.105401:09:41,220 --> 01:09:45,930And it's it's real easy to go tocross that line between from105501:09:46,140 --> 01:09:49,380especially when you're talkingabout it would be social media105601:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,110that would be the thing thatwould want this first Yes. Once105701:09:52,110 --> 01:09:55,380you think about it because itand you can describe it in this105801:09:55,380 --> 01:09:58,320way. This would this is whatgets all the tech people fired105901:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,320up and you know Hall cottonbother where they want to listen106001:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,280to that jingle from DameJennifer, they get all fired up106101:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,150about all the tech nerds alwaysdone this, and I've been guilty106201:10:09,150 --> 01:10:13,470of it too. We just want the onething. You know, we don't, why106301:10:13,470 --> 01:10:17,790should we have to have you know,five different services of this106401:10:17,790 --> 01:10:21,240and this and this, I mean, itshould just be one thing, we106501:10:21,240 --> 01:10:26,820should just have no, just Roku,or just for streaming or one106601:10:26,820 --> 01:10:30,450box, the streams everything or,or one thing, the app that does106701:10:30,450 --> 01:10:33,000all these other things. But youknow, instead of five different106801:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,860standards, and this will benumber one, I mean that that106901:10:37,860 --> 01:10:41,820won't happen ever happen forother reasons. But if it did,107001:10:42,510 --> 01:10:46,950you would find out that it thethe end product is way worse.107101:10:48,180 --> 01:10:53,430Because then you you, you'rethere's too much. You're talking107201:10:53,430 --> 01:10:57,180about centralization. In onceeverything is centralized,107301:10:57,420 --> 01:11:01,590especially across systems andacross platforms. Now you have107401:11:01,590 --> 01:11:08,340the, the capability to screweverything up all at once. And107501:11:08,340 --> 01:11:13,920that can take the form of Oh,you're Yeah, you can own your107601:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,670own identity with your own keysand this kind of thing. And you107701:11:17,670 --> 01:11:24,960can use that identity to signinto Twitter, and Amazon, and107801:11:24,960 --> 01:11:30,630your podcast host and blah,blah, blah. But you know, what,107901:11:30,660 --> 01:11:35,370if Twitter then flags this discryptographic identifier that is108001:11:35,370 --> 01:11:39,930you, your dog as as fraudulentor as something Yeah, or as108101:11:40,020 --> 01:11:47,550problematic. Then everything'sgone. Your toes so stupid, it's108201:11:47,580 --> 01:11:52,950it doesn't matter that you ownit, that's really irrelevant to108301:11:53,580 --> 01:11:56,100the creepiness factor in thewhole thing.108401:11:56,759 --> 01:11:59,699Looking at the namespace, Ithink we're in an interesting108501:11:59,699 --> 01:12:02,519period now. And I say namespacespecifically because we're108601:12:02,519 --> 01:12:05,309talking about the tags. Butoverall, we're positioning that108701:12:05,309 --> 01:12:10,229as the podcast standard. Yeah.Standards, I should say, We're108801:12:10,229 --> 01:12:15,929in an interesting place where wehave a lot of discussion about108901:12:16,049 --> 01:12:21,209legacy of iTunes tags from theiTunes namespace, as well as and109001:12:21,209 --> 01:12:24,119I love the conversation, I'vekept my mouth shut and just109101:12:24,119 --> 01:12:29,849watching it, how we shoehornmusic into the podcast109201:12:29,849 --> 01:12:35,819standards. And so regarding theiTunes that we should probably109301:12:35,819 --> 01:12:39,149talk about that first, and thentalk about the music because I109401:12:39,149 --> 01:12:41,999think we have some importantdecisions to make. And before we109501:12:41,999 --> 01:12:45,059get all too deep, we shouldprobably talk about it. But the109601:12:45,059 --> 01:12:50,429iTunes kind of follows on fromthe last episode, and that is109701:12:50,429 --> 01:12:54,509the iTunes block tag, how that'smisunderstood that we have the109801:12:54,509 --> 01:13:02,759proposed podcast index, blocktag, or namespace block tag, and109901:13:02,819 --> 01:13:05,999as well as perhaps a completereplacement dropping for every110001:13:05,999 --> 01:13:10,349single iTunes namespace tag. Andthis conversation while you were110101:13:10,349 --> 01:13:13,319out while you weren't looking,everyone started talking about110201:13:13,319 --> 01:13:18,749it coming up with their ownideas. Okay, so what are what am110301:13:18,749 --> 01:13:21,299I? So what are we actually goingto do?110401:13:22,050 --> 01:13:25,020Let's see, that's what I wasasked. It's right here on my110501:13:25,020 --> 01:13:29,640sheet to talk about this iTunestag, should we bring them all in110601:13:29,640 --> 01:13:34,380and, you know, unmask? Or in thefirst question I want to ask is,110701:13:34,770 --> 01:13:40,020if we bring in all the iTunestags set up, you know, that way,110801:13:40,800 --> 01:13:45,240sort of like in one swoop? Isthat legal, or were they110901:13:45,240 --> 01:13:52,020patented or anything? Patented?Yes. Because at one point in the111001:13:52,020 --> 01:14:01,620past, you said that Apple, likesome somehow credited you and on111101:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,390the iTunes patent?111201:14:03,750 --> 01:14:10,560Yeah, they Yeah, they did. Howwas it? I think it was some111301:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,380enhancements. It was literallythe that's a good question.111401:14:18,150 --> 01:14:19,980Let's see what this is. Was111501:14:19,980 --> 01:14:25,320that pod? Could they actuallypatent a namespace and don't111601:14:25,320 --> 01:14:25,560know111701:14:26,730 --> 01:14:31,380that? Well, awesome. It's been awhile since I've looked at it.111801:14:32,130 --> 01:14:34,530It is code and you can patentcode. We know that111901:14:34,560 --> 01:14:35,250unfortunately.112001:14:36,300 --> 01:14:41,280Yes, here it is. They do have apatent and I shall tell you what112101:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,810it is. That's good. We bringthis up because we have to deal112201:14:45,810 --> 01:14:48,450with it eventually. Okay, sowhat a reason is not popping up112301:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,930apples received a granted patentthat relates to podcasting. In112401:14:51,930 --> 01:14:55,860June 2005, Apple released iTunes4.9 with native support for112501:14:55,860 --> 01:14:59,340podcast, Apple's inventiontitled techniques and systems112601:14:59,340 --> 01:15:03,570for support. doing podcastingpertains to improve podcast112701:15:03,570 --> 01:15:10,740techniques that facilitate theiruse. Let me see112801:15:11,339 --> 01:15:13,019if it's very general.112901:15:13,350 --> 01:15:16,380Well, the improved techniquespertain to creating, publishing,113001:15:16,380 --> 01:15:20,160hosting, accessing, subscribing,managing, transferring, and or113101:15:20,160 --> 01:15:21,570playing podcasts.113201:15:22,019 --> 01:15:23,189Good grief.113301:15:23,280 --> 01:15:32,310But I believe that this is allrelated to iTunes. Let me see.113401:15:34,980 --> 01:15:39,270That's a that's this verysparse. Well, if you're on113501:15:39,270 --> 01:15:40,710the patent, that's what113601:15:40,710 --> 01:15:44,790I'm looking at. Now. This is a areport about the patent. I'm113701:15:44,790 --> 01:15:50,610looking for the patent. I thinkthat had to do with the with113801:15:50,610 --> 01:15:53,970their with a one clicksubscribe, maybe that which will113901:15:53,970 --> 01:15:59,490be the one that would makesense. Okay. Something we'll114001:15:59,490 --> 01:16:01,710have to look at it's worth it'sworth looking into? I don't114101:16:01,710 --> 01:16:03,960think I mean, it's, I don'tthink we're in any peril of114201:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,110anything whatsoever. But wecertainly don't have to use it,114301:16:07,110 --> 01:16:08,730we just take it out.114401:16:09,990 --> 01:16:10,980Well, you're not114501:16:10,980 --> 01:16:14,370gonna get sued for taking itout. What do you mean taking it114601:16:14,370 --> 01:16:17,640out? If we're not using theiTunes namespace or any of their114701:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,330tags?114801:16:18,870 --> 01:16:21,750No, I mean, if we, if wereplicate them, so if we, if we114901:16:21,750 --> 01:16:26,160just have to go down the listand say, Okay, here's this115001:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,310iTunes namespace tag, let's makea podcast namespace equivalent,115101:16:29,670 --> 01:16:33,540one to one, to make sure thatthey match perfectly so that we115201:16:33,540 --> 01:16:37,710everybody can flip from theirfeeds from iTunes namespace to115301:16:37,710 --> 01:16:43,440the podcast namespace with justby changing the prefix that, you115401:16:43,440 --> 01:16:48,330know that some could, you know,the question is, is like, is it115501:16:48,360 --> 01:16:53,550patented? And if it is, is yourname on the patent, which would115601:16:53,550 --> 01:16:59,490give us the ability to do it, touse it in some way? These are,115701:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,920these are questions that I havebecause you know, that's115801:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,240and he's that's a very fairquestion.115901:17:07,710 --> 01:17:11,220Huh? Hmm. I mean, we've alreadywe've already done some of them.116001:17:12,090 --> 01:17:15,600Yeah. No, you116101:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,660got me on that one. Because I'vecompletely forgotten about that.116201:17:20,610 --> 01:17:22,320And we forgotten about it.116301:17:22,830 --> 01:17:24,570Yeah. How do we how do we get ananswer to116401:17:27,450 --> 01:17:31,980I am quite certain there areenough people within the116501:17:32,010 --> 01:17:35,820community who will be able tofigure this out for us. So once116601:17:35,820 --> 01:17:38,130we have that figured out, andlet's say that we can do it.116701:17:38,790 --> 01:17:44,010Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it.He's back ladies and gentlemen.116801:17:44,010 --> 01:17:48,990Let's do exactly. Now let's getover to the to the music thing.116901:17:48,990 --> 01:17:52,800First of all I completely didnot understand was my head was117001:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,250in podcasting. My head was inbad experiences with POD show me117101:17:56,250 --> 01:18:03,510vo about playlists. And this wasthis as a namespace tag proposed117201:18:03,510 --> 01:18:09,120by Alex gates. And he texted meyou know, many people were117301:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,870posting about it. This is reallysomething that would work very117401:18:12,870 --> 01:18:15,090well for playlist of songs.117501:18:15,990 --> 01:18:18,690Were you were you kidding aboutthe playlist with the remote117601:18:18,690 --> 01:18:18,990Yeah,117701:18:19,019 --> 01:18:22,499you will remote item right? Youcan include an item which I117801:18:22,499 --> 01:18:25,559believe if you do it with theitem it would even it should if117901:18:25,589 --> 01:18:29,219if item level tags exist itshould do value for value that118001:18:29,249 --> 01:18:33,059will copy that right overcorrect. And yeah, if118101:18:33,060 --> 01:18:35,010that goes into the spec Yeah,right.118201:18:36,000 --> 01:18:41,550So I like this of course I likethe question I have is we have118301:18:41,580 --> 01:18:48,090no APR on the wolf and we havecouple other people doing music118401:18:48,090 --> 01:18:50,610projects. You know, there'speople trying to figure out do I118501:18:50,610 --> 01:18:54,030do one feed for my whole albumDo I just do and I don't know if118601:18:54,030 --> 01:18:55,500there's any right or wronganswer. I don't think there's118701:18:55,500 --> 01:18:57,030any wrong answer. Do I do in118801:18:57,030 --> 01:19:00,900Spanish lessons banned the firstvalue for value have been music118901:19:00,900 --> 01:19:05,790podcasts right right was banned.Now he's a cripple grip.119001:19:08,910 --> 01:19:13,530So now we're talking aboutputting like album information119101:19:13,560 --> 01:19:19,860in a in a very specificallynamed podcast namespace tag. Is119201:19:19,860 --> 01:19:26,190this a good idea? Does it becomeconfusing? Is there some hybrid119301:19:26,190 --> 01:19:30,840we need to come up with when itcomes to music? Or are the names119401:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,630wrong? You know what I mean?It's really weird to have some119501:19:33,630 --> 01:19:36,930talk about an episode and that'swhere I'm putting track. You119601:19:36,930 --> 01:19:40,950know, under the hood, it makesno difference.119701:19:41,099 --> 01:19:43,319Well, that comes into themystery. That's where the medium119801:19:43,319 --> 01:19:48,119tag comes in. Because when itthat was the whole idea of the119901:19:48,119 --> 01:19:54,749medium tag is when you when youidentify this podcast, with a120001:19:54,809 --> 01:19:59,189particular medium, and all theterminology can change.120101:19:59,220 --> 01:20:00,930Oh, Really?120201:20:01,290 --> 01:20:05,820Yes. If you say this is mediummusic, yeah, or me, then120301:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,850everything, then they're nolonger episodes. They're their120401:20:08,850 --> 01:20:10,950tracks. Oh, good.120501:20:10,950 --> 01:20:14,700Okay, so here's an example,Mitch posted. I was chatting120601:20:14,700 --> 01:20:18,960with Alex about this. He thinksthat podcast network tag, aka120701:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,280podcast channel tag will be agood fit for music artist. See,120801:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,480I totally disagree. It may bethe right spot in the feed. But120901:20:27,570 --> 01:20:32,640this is confusing for people. Inwhat way tell me the confusion121001:20:32,700 --> 01:20:36,720if I'm an artist, and I have to,and I and I presumably am going121101:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,110to have to figure out how to puttogether my feed for however I'm121201:20:40,110 --> 01:20:45,720going to use it. I want to seeif it's music artists, why isn't121301:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,310the tag called music artist? Whyis the tag podcast channel you121401:20:50,310 --> 01:20:51,150understand what I'm saying?121501:20:54,270 --> 01:20:59,430Or the podcasts net, the channelslash network tag is for121601:20:59,430 --> 01:21:06,150aggregating multiple podcastsinto a single into a single sort121701:21:06,150 --> 01:21:13,650of virtual network of shows. Soit's like, it's a way to121801:21:13,650 --> 01:21:21,630identify this feed is part of abroader fee is a broader Am I121901:21:21,630 --> 01:21:25,050trying to say is if let's justsay there's a channel122001:21:25,050 --> 01:21:29,010identifier, and the channelidentifier is I'm just making122101:21:29,010 --> 01:21:32,610this up. This is not the spec.But there's a channel ID and the122201:21:32,610 --> 01:21:39,900channel ID is you know, 12345and 17. RSS feeds have a channel122301:21:39,900 --> 01:21:45,870identifier of 12345. All sevenof those three of those podcast122401:21:45,870 --> 01:21:51,330feeds would logically be seenas, as a pod as a network of122501:21:51,330 --> 01:21:56,760feeds, or a channel of feeds.And that channel of feeds could122601:21:56,760 --> 01:22:02,070be the Doobie Brothers. So theDoobie Brothers could be 12345.122701:22:02,700 --> 01:22:07,350And then each album within therehas that identifier, and it's122801:22:07,350 --> 01:22:09,030showing that it's part part part122901:22:09,030 --> 01:22:12,630of the series. Catalog got theDoobie Brothers? I'm just123001:22:12,630 --> 01:22:18,210talking purely about the words,is it confusing? To use all123101:22:18,300 --> 01:22:23,130podcast specific terminologywhen people are using music for123201:22:23,130 --> 01:22:26,790the feed specifically, I may beoff on this, it may not make any123301:22:26,790 --> 01:22:30,150difference people. For instance,by April Kirby have been looking123401:22:30,180 --> 01:22:34,320into the person tag, we use bandname as person with role equals123501:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,220band set in the feed level.Which I which I don't think123601:22:38,220 --> 01:22:40,860that's his band, even an option.He's just putting that in.123701:22:41,910 --> 01:22:42,540Probably,123801:22:42,630 --> 01:22:45,060I don't know what had thetaxonomies big and have to look123901:22:46,020 --> 01:22:47,130no further than the head.124001:22:47,160 --> 01:22:51,360But the bottom line is theminute you have the medium tag,124101:22:52,020 --> 01:22:56,250and it says music, thentechnically, all these tags124201:22:56,250 --> 01:22:57,900would be would make sense.124301:22:58,740 --> 01:23:02,730Yes, that's because when youwhen you bring in the medium124401:23:02,730 --> 01:23:09,690tag, what you're doing is you'reapplying sort of a logical layer124501:23:09,690 --> 01:23:15,750on top of the feed that changesthings about the feed. So you124601:23:15,750 --> 01:23:19,410can imagine it as like a is likea filter. And so every124701:23:19,470 --> 01:23:24,480everywhere that something likethe term episode existed now it124801:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,660it's track everywhere that thatper, you know, person existed124901:23:30,660 --> 01:23:34,980now it's in a musician orwhatever, you know, and it's now125001:23:34,980 --> 01:23:40,500no longer you know, Episode art,its album art, these all these125101:23:40,500 --> 01:23:46,080things become different, just byvirtue of having the different125201:23:46,650 --> 01:23:51,240medium in there because you're,you're saying that you're saying125301:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,690that dislike okay, it helps tounderstand, it helps to125401:23:54,690 --> 01:24:01,680understand by knowing that thedefault medium is podcast, the125501:24:01,680 --> 01:24:07,650default medium type is podcast.So then if you change it to, to125601:24:07,650 --> 01:24:15,960the medium to let's say film,now that that episode is you125701:24:15,960 --> 01:24:20,790know is a maybe you have oneepisode there that's a trailer125801:24:21,090 --> 01:24:24,690in the next episode is the isthe feature film. You're not125901:24:24,690 --> 01:24:30,030talking you're no longer talkingabout episodes and podcasters126001:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,130you're talking about this otherthing,126101:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,900you know what I'm just saying,you know, when I think I'm hung126201:24:33,900 --> 01:24:39,000up on I'm hung up on how howmusicians are going to because126301:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,750if we let it go, musicians aregoing to get on, you know, any126401:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,840hosting company that that has atleast enough of the tax126501:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,980compatible is going to createtheir albums in an I think in a126601:24:49,980 --> 01:24:54,450crippled way versus if we havesome really, you know what, how126701:24:54,450 --> 01:24:59,820are musicians the averagemusician is wants to create an126801:24:59,820 --> 01:25:03,690owl Problem with value forvalue. They're going to have to126901:25:03,690 --> 01:25:07,080go somewhere. And I don't thinkthe existing hosting companies127001:25:07,380 --> 01:25:11,310will make it broad enough formost music musicians to make127101:25:11,310 --> 01:25:14,910that switch in their head. Okay,it's a podcast, but now I'm127201:25:14,910 --> 01:25:18,960using these these things for myalbum title, you know, I'm127301:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,540saying it's like, that's such,it's easy for us, because we127401:25:21,540 --> 01:25:24,420understand the tags, weunderstand how it works, but a127501:25:24,420 --> 01:25:25,530musician is gonna go.127601:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,580Yeah, I see. Yeah, yeah, to me,127701:25:29,610 --> 01:25:33,330maybe it's more the UX and UI ofthe feed creation I'm looking at127801:25:33,330 --> 01:25:38,910used to even be that an artistneeds to go there. It needs to127901:25:38,910 --> 01:25:42,420be really simple, like, okay,you know, I'm dragging these128001:25:42,420 --> 01:25:46,410tracks in or whatever it is. Andthis is, and this is the, the128101:25:46,410 --> 01:25:49,530order I want them in. And here'sthe art. And here's all the128201:25:49,530 --> 01:25:53,730other things. And then there'sother choices like, is it my, do128301:25:53,730 --> 01:25:56,820I just do a bunch of songs allmy life long and it's one feed?128401:25:56,850 --> 01:26:00,060Or is it I mean, that those areall different things. But the128501:26:00,090 --> 01:26:03,750feed creation, if we keep goingthis way, I think we're going to128601:26:03,750 --> 01:26:06,390hurt ourselves. Because there'llbe a lot of musicians who don't128701:26:06,390 --> 01:26:11,730understand how an album andtracks fit into a podcast.128801:26:12,450 --> 01:26:16,620This is all UI. It just feelslike it's all UI, because you128901:26:16,620 --> 01:26:21,690can logically see how it how itworks. But yes, of course, if129001:26:21,690 --> 01:26:25,770you don't present Yeah. In theright way. It's a confusing,129101:26:25,830 --> 01:26:29,580it's a confusing mess. Yeah, no,I guess it's a good thing that129201:26:29,580 --> 01:26:31,680you brought that up, because itcould very easily become this129301:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,580Gordian knot of, you know,impenetrable language.129401:26:35,730 --> 01:26:39,600Right. And I like the exploringthat we're figuring out what,129501:26:39,630 --> 01:26:45,180what, what tags work best forwhich, which comparable piece of129601:26:45,180 --> 01:26:50,340information of, of musicmetadata? Well, there you go,129701:26:50,340 --> 01:26:52,890Steven B. Create that, will youbuild it already?129801:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,650Yeah, well, I mean, so I mean,this level of view is hard.129901:26:58,650 --> 01:27:02,040Because yes, just one masterswitch where you say, Okay, this130001:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,010is not a podcast anymore. Now,this is an audio book. And now130101:27:05,010 --> 01:27:07,530these are not tracks, they'rechapters, is130201:27:07,530 --> 01:27:10,590like, feels to me, like there'sgot to be some this, we're130301:27:10,590 --> 01:27:12,570overlooking something, orthere's something we should130401:27:12,570 --> 01:27:13,650probably I don't know,130501:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,890I've done this before I'vethere, there have, I have130601:27:19,920 --> 01:27:24,090production software that doessomething similar to this, you130701:27:24,090 --> 01:27:29,580can change you, you change aparameter. And everything in the130801:27:29,580 --> 01:27:35,700entire URL, UI changes, changesits text, from one thing to130901:27:35,700 --> 01:27:41,550another, have got actually twoproducts that do this, projects131001:27:41,550 --> 01:27:47,640that do this. And it's not, it'snot super hard. It's just that131101:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,940you have to, you got to take thetime to code it in, you got to131201:27:50,940 --> 01:27:54,000do it carefully. So that you've,you're not screwing things up,131301:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,550maybe it is doable, it's not theend of the world.131401:27:56,580 --> 01:27:59,220I think it's low hanging fruitis what I'm maybe what I'm131501:27:59,220 --> 01:28:04,050saying it's this, let's see tolet's do this, because the131601:28:04,050 --> 01:28:07,530musicians are showing up, theywant to use it, they like131701:28:07,530 --> 01:28:10,740they've already figured out,Hey, I could do this with you131801:28:10,740 --> 01:28:14,640know, each podcast could be asong and I could possibly get131901:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,000some value for the value I'veput into my work. So they're132001:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,330figuring it out. They're showingup they want to do it. And I132101:28:21,330 --> 01:28:23,700just see people strugglingbecause I guess you're gonna132201:28:23,700 --> 01:28:26,700have to create your feedmanually, or I'm not sure. And132301:28:26,730 --> 01:28:31,800there's all kinds of pros andcons. I think when you're if132401:28:31,800 --> 01:28:38,310you're doing a 12 track album,you probably can look at a very132501:28:38,310 --> 01:28:45,540simple self hosting solutionversus you know, a hosting132601:28:45,540 --> 01:28:46,110company.132701:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,280Yeah, cuz that way Yeah. Andthat way you're not because132801:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,120you're just doing a one on oneand done. Just every so often.132901:28:54,120 --> 01:28:58,080You're not, that's it's hard tojust find maybe monthly payment133001:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,890for that forever. And you couldjust self host it. Yeah, there133101:29:01,890 --> 01:29:05,070was something like sovereignfades. Yeah. Yeah, I can see133201:29:05,070 --> 01:29:08,730that. And then you you see thatUI in your head and it's like,133301:29:09,330 --> 01:29:12,330okay, there's a there's a dropdown box and what type of thing133401:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,420Yeah. Yeah, book.133501:29:15,509 --> 01:29:19,079Yeah, just like we have for theeight sovereign sovereign feet.133601:29:19,109 --> 01:29:21,689You know, the live item everyeverything changes. Now, there's133701:29:21,689 --> 01:29:23,699some live things I got to fillout.133801:29:24,030 --> 01:29:28,080Yeah, that's, that's kind ofcool. And it also the presence133901:29:28,110 --> 01:29:33,150of that flip down, that dropdown, shows people that they can134001:29:33,150 --> 01:29:35,850do other things. Oh, cool. I canI didn't know I can make a134101:29:36,089 --> 01:29:40,229good point album. Yeah, goodpoint. Good point discovery. And134201:29:40,229 --> 01:29:43,439I gotta say, sovereign feeds isbecoming a good piece of kit.134301:29:44,219 --> 01:29:46,889I've been using it for months.I've been using it for months134401:29:46,889 --> 01:29:51,089and you know, and it's neverreally failed, but it's Steven134501:29:51,119 --> 01:29:55,469keeps refining the UI andthere's little things he changes134601:29:55,469 --> 01:29:57,479you know, just the, thebeautiful things like this is134701:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,079automatically copy you know,that's there or that is just134801:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,169almost everything exceptincrementing. Which I, which I134901:30:04,169 --> 01:30:07,889don't want, by the way. Justanother piece of low hanging135001:30:07,889 --> 01:30:11,579fruit that I've been having aback and forth was roofie about135101:30:11,609 --> 01:30:13,529Rofi of caste coverage.com.135201:30:14,010 --> 01:30:18,180Oh, Ria roof roof. Roof roof.Yeah.135301:30:19,410 --> 01:30:25,260He, like others. He said, Hey, Ireally I it resonated with me135401:30:25,380 --> 01:30:30,720that 40% of women according to asurvey, listen to podcasts on135501:30:30,720 --> 01:30:38,130the website. And he said, Whatis it an idea for the podcast135601:30:38,160 --> 01:30:47,310apps to offer? Ready to gowebsites to podcasters. And the135701:30:47,310 --> 01:30:50,490way we were kind of going backand forth, it's like, well, I135801:30:50,490 --> 01:30:56,190could choose a curio casterwebsite, a cast calm coverage135901:30:56,190 --> 01:30:59,790website. And these would all bein all and all they're doing is136001:30:59,790 --> 01:31:02,010they're pulling in pulling inthe feed, of course, you know,136101:31:02,010 --> 01:31:05,730there's, I think I made one ofthese, what's that there's a136201:31:05,730 --> 01:31:08,400couple of different differentoutfits like that where they136301:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,490pull in your feed, and they makemake a website for you. And then136401:31:11,490 --> 01:31:13,830they give you a whole bunch ofbuttons for Google and Apple and136501:31:13,830 --> 01:31:14,490Spotify.136601:31:15,540 --> 01:31:17,250Language, which you can't136701:31:17,250 --> 01:31:20,490get rid of, you know, as they Idon't want these two, there's136801:31:20,490 --> 01:31:23,100not the right night, the rightcustomization, but they have136901:31:23,100 --> 01:31:27,810nice design. And right therecould be built Hey, you're137001:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,450you're listening to the podcast,would you like to support it,137101:31:30,450 --> 01:31:34,260click here. I mean, that is, inessence, what the web app, web137201:31:34,260 --> 01:31:38,160apps are on on desktop, but alsoon mobile, is that got137301:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,370everything all there, exceptinstead of showing episodes,137401:31:41,580 --> 01:31:46,020and, and your subscriptions,that should be a click of the137501:31:46,020 --> 01:31:49,770button when you've drawn peoplein. But it shouldn't be I should137601:31:49,770 --> 01:31:52,410have a beautiful homepage, Iwant to send people to what I137701:31:52,410 --> 01:31:56,070want them to look at, I want tosend episode pages. And from137801:31:56,070 --> 01:32:00,210there, depending on how good thethe website is, and the ad the137901:32:00,210 --> 01:32:05,250app that provides it. And that'swhere you want to entice people138001:32:05,250 --> 01:32:10,350to start using that app. Whichclearly they're already doing.138101:32:10,410 --> 01:32:15,360It's just except it's a webpage. So I'd love to have an I138201:32:15,360 --> 01:32:20,910tried to share all the time witha curio caster or a dump pod138301:32:20,910 --> 01:32:26,010verse or pod friend, but it'd begreat if what I'm sending him to138401:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,370He's actually my homepage and Icould map my URL to it. Oh, and138501:32:29,370 --> 01:32:34,140by the way, take an extra anextra percentage from from the138601:32:34,140 --> 01:32:37,200split here. I'll put it right infor you. That's cool. Thank you138701:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,720for the homepage. Low hangingfruit.138801:32:39,900 --> 01:32:43,860Yeah, and we could put that weekif it was done in a standardized138901:32:43,860 --> 01:32:49,920way I'm not sure what that wouldbe to think through it. But if139001:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,440it was done in a standardstandardized sort of templated139101:32:52,440 --> 01:32:58,410way we could link to thosethings from from the pod cast139201:32:58,410 --> 01:33:02,670index I'm sure and he could justpop this oh hey I want I want to139301:33:02,670 --> 01:33:06,000see my curio caster page andthen you go over there and139401:33:06,030 --> 01:33:08,880I mean literally what wouldRuthie was saying is you know139501:33:09,180 --> 01:33:15,210right now we have you know forfor each item there's obviously139601:33:15,210 --> 01:33:19,020a link tag you know which whichwould be an episode page but it139701:33:19,020 --> 01:33:24,030would be an episode page on anice website that reflects my my139801:33:24,060 --> 01:33:29,580podcast my branding you knowwhatever it is but also the cast139901:33:29,580 --> 01:33:35,100coverage branding or you knowthe pod friend it's all Yeah,140001:33:35,160 --> 01:33:39,510it's a balance but I can seeit's again 40% of women140101:33:39,510 --> 01:33:43,740according to a survey listen noton an app but listen to it on a140201:33:43,740 --> 01:33:48,450website that click and a playerCome on this is like this is140301:33:48,450 --> 01:33:52,830what we this is where you wantto be the Episode Episode guid140401:33:54,510 --> 01:33:59,190would be or the episode URL Imean there's all different ways140501:33:59,190 --> 01:34:00,840to do it. But140601:34:00,870 --> 01:34:03,420for it let's work let's work itout on the Macedon and then140701:34:03,420 --> 01:34:06,450we'll and then we'll like buildstandard out of it.140801:34:06,540 --> 01:34:10,980I like it I like this and by theway I would use it. I have I140901:34:10,980 --> 01:34:15,210have a couple of shows. I wouldlove to have like mo facts I141001:34:15,210 --> 01:34:17,970think we can do a lot betterwith a with a podcast website141101:34:17,970 --> 01:34:22,410Korean the keeper. G How aboutpodcasting? 2.0 we have exactly141201:34:22,410 --> 01:34:27,480zero homepage we do not have anarchive page we don't have141301:34:27,480 --> 01:34:28,080nothing141401:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,850we have an OPML141501:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,100outline we do have that yes141601:34:34,200 --> 01:34:35,670I was very sexy outline though.141701:34:35,970 --> 01:34:40,080Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Did youupgrade freedom controller141801:34:40,740 --> 01:34:46,560me one someone posted somethingon like questions like that141901:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,450because to me something changedand I didn't know142001:34:48,450 --> 01:34:50,700someone posted something andsaid freedom controllers142101:34:50,730 --> 01:34:55,680upgraded from forget whichversion it was. And it looking142201:34:56,010 --> 01:34:56,940in your feet.142301:34:56,969 --> 01:35:00,569No, no, no, it's I was it was apoll. Most142401:35:01,770 --> 01:35:05,550men and what me? I don't knowwhat that was. I'd be142501:35:05,580 --> 01:35:08,310interesting. I'm curious to knowwhat it was though.142601:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,640I'll have to go and look for it.I was thinking to myself man142701:35:11,670 --> 01:35:14,820Davies incredible man, he's gotthree seconds of downtime in142801:35:14,820 --> 01:35:21,180between now you're scraping hiskid off the pavement. Update the142901:35:21,180 --> 01:35:22,050freedom controller.143001:35:22,890 --> 01:35:28,110The hospital delivered the food15 minutes to push a Docker143101:35:28,110 --> 01:35:31,560image. Okay, we want to thanksome people.143201:35:31,950 --> 01:35:38,310Yes, right off the bat. We needto thank an incredible patron of143301:35:38,310 --> 01:35:43,710many value for value projectswho sent us in his traditional143401:35:43,710 --> 01:35:49,770manner in all cash which meansit's always very freaky to see143501:35:49,770 --> 01:35:54,480the show up and showed up on myPO Box. I'm talking about the143601:35:54,480 --> 01:35:59,460patron saint sister anonymous ofDogpatch and lower Slobo via143701:35:59,790 --> 01:36:04,590Oh we got some sir anonymouslove on this show $4,000143801:36:04,680 --> 01:36:05,550in cash143901:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,690in cash144001:36:08,070 --> 01:36:11,910shot caller 20 is blades onAmbala144101:36:12,930 --> 01:36:16,590he says no. He says no no, butnow he always sends cash when he144201:36:16,590 --> 01:36:20,340sends a donations because he'scompletely anonymous. We know a144301:36:20,340 --> 01:36:23,820little bit about him but notreally. And it just showed up in144401:36:23,820 --> 01:36:27,270the envelope and it says Forpodcast index that's all it said144501:36:27,270 --> 01:36:31,950and so I I have his email and Isay yeah, I got a man blown away144601:36:31,950 --> 01:36:36,120by this did you have anything tosay or can we credit you said no144701:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,400you can credit unusual but youknow it's just it's what the144801:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,160index is. This is important hesaid this is important what144901:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,960you're doing so yeah, holy cow.It would have been even more145001:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,480impressive you if you sent it asa boost but okay145101:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,150never escaped criticism.145201:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,060So we'll give them a big guy.145301:36:59,610 --> 01:37:03,150Man, my son is direct motorcycleevery week. Amazing.145401:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,050This is really appreciated thisthis goes right into the145501:37:07,050 --> 01:37:10,980emergency fund this this goesinto our sky we're very I mean,145601:37:10,980 --> 01:37:14,070I could not be more over themoon about this. Thank you so145701:37:14,070 --> 01:37:18,720much. Toronto, Mr. Dogpatch andlower Slovenia. Yeah, isn't that145801:37:18,720 --> 01:37:19,260nice?145901:37:19,349 --> 01:37:21,179Yeah, I'm a little bitspeechless to be honest. But146001:37:21,180 --> 01:37:25,410yet imagine imagine I come homefrom the PA there's always fun146101:37:25,410 --> 01:37:27,810stuff when I come back from thePIO box and you never know146201:37:27,810 --> 01:37:32,340what's in it. Does thischallenge coin stickers, Bibles,146301:37:32,640 --> 01:37:39,390food edibles, edibles otherother unmentionables ammo people146401:37:39,390 --> 01:37:42,420send the crazy stuff. Andthere's this thick envelope and146501:37:42,420 --> 01:37:44,850you know teenagers we loveopening this stuff together we146601:37:44,850 --> 01:37:47,310do it right there on the on thekitchen on the island. You know,146701:37:47,310 --> 01:37:51,030we we cook and it's we got allthe boxes like Christmas like146801:37:51,030 --> 01:37:53,850Christmas. Look at all thesecool things people say. And then146901:37:53,850 --> 01:37:58,650she says what is this? wad ofhundreds?147001:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,440Like I don't know, but handedout give it Give it here. I'll147101:38:01,440 --> 01:38:01,920take it out.147201:38:01,950 --> 01:38:05,430Now she right away when she wasdusting for prints during the UV147301:38:05,430 --> 01:38:08,640light. I'm going to find out whothis guy is. Thank you Esther147401:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,460Onra. So Dogpatch Marshallgovia. This incredibly147501:38:11,460 --> 01:38:15,240appreciated. It's one of thosedubious sources were funded by147601:38:15,570 --> 01:38:22,080dubious sources named unnamedsources. Yes. to the chagrin of147701:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,990the Brookings Institute, we havedubious sources and we also have147801:38:25,020 --> 01:38:29,040non dubious sources. MarcoArment $500147901:38:29,220 --> 01:38:30,870This is a week148001:38:32,910 --> 01:38:37,260this is the week we don't do ashow, right? Get the biggest148101:38:37,260 --> 01:38:38,220donations ever.148201:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,900It's it's funny, it's sometimesit's like that is really weird.148301:38:42,930 --> 01:38:48,150Yes. Well Marco, of course is amonthly contributor. And and148401:38:48,180 --> 01:38:52,950this is this is our ongoingsupport that he is he's148501:38:52,950 --> 01:38:55,680dedicated and it just keepsgoing to really appreciate it148601:38:55,680 --> 01:38:56,220Marco148701:38:56,639 --> 01:38:59,789Yeah, and cuz because I alwaysworry you know, when we have to148801:38:59,789 --> 01:39:02,999skip a show because peoplepeople are supporting the index148901:39:03,059 --> 01:39:07,769and the project that they'realso supporting the show and we149001:39:07,769 --> 01:39:11,219end the show is is partially notjust where we have the board149101:39:11,219 --> 01:39:14,579meeting best way to give youknow give a product of value and149201:39:14,579 --> 01:39:14,699it's149301:39:14,700 --> 01:39:17,730where we ask is where we thankyou where we show the value and149401:39:17,730 --> 01:39:21,240where we ask for value in returnis critical critical so I always149501:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,520worry when we miss a weekbecause I'm like yeah, you know149601:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,970we get I mean I want people tohear the product and hear149701:39:26,970 --> 01:39:29,340everything that's happening andall that kind of stuff but man149801:39:29,820 --> 01:39:33,210this was fantastic. I hope thatdoesn't mean that we did they149901:39:33,210 --> 01:39:35,640enjoy it better when we don'twhen we don't produce the show.150001:39:35,700 --> 01:39:38,730No no no What did what thismeans is the next episode will150101:39:38,730 --> 01:39:43,560have almost no donation nothing.And then you know, that'll last150201:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,500a few weeks that we roll out thesad puppy and we're back on150301:39:46,500 --> 01:39:49,800track. It always evens and italways evens out in the end. But150401:39:49,920 --> 01:39:53,580what's beautiful to see is thevalue people attached to the150501:39:53,580 --> 01:39:54,750project and what we're doing.150601:39:56,670 --> 01:40:01,620Thank you Mark Mike Dell fromblueberry gave us $22.22 For150701:40:01,620 --> 01:40:05,610through PayPal Yeah, thank youmight get a give me give me some150801:40:05,610 --> 01:40:08,130popping love mike so I can I canpivot150901:40:08,460 --> 01:40:10,500with this Fiat ducks. Yeah151001:40:11,730 --> 01:40:18,210somebody named Scott niznik DoesNick isn't it isn't it give us151101:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,320$1 through Pay Pal one timedonation Thank you we'll take it151201:40:24,150 --> 01:40:28,710as we get this Graham'shistogram pulled up here151301:40:29,940 --> 01:40:33,300my favorite I got mad I shouldhave had this one lined up151401:40:33,300 --> 01:40:35,550alright there's nothing likekicking off the booster ramp151501:40:35,550 --> 01:40:41,520segment with a little bit oflove that151601:40:41,790 --> 01:40:49,200Paul Stanley boosts 3333 setsfrom now this goes way back I151701:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,350mean because we missed it wemissed a week. Yeah, this goes151801:40:52,350 --> 01:40:57,870way back to April the 10th 3333stats through fountain from151901:40:57,870 --> 01:41:01,620signs of new growth, the podcastDid you listen to signs of new152001:41:01,620 --> 01:41:02,010growth?152101:41:03,300 --> 01:41:05,730I want to say I have a wife whowas152201:41:05,970 --> 01:41:10,800a music podcast it's it'sbasically a rolling album of152301:41:10,890 --> 01:41:11,460tracks.152401:41:11,580 --> 01:41:15,870I know I know this because signsof new growth is the handle on152501:41:17,130 --> 01:41:20,040on the Macedon. That's why I'veseen the postings from signs of152601:41:20,040 --> 01:41:20,610new growth.152701:41:20,940 --> 01:41:23,880Yeah, I got some good tunes onthese. Listen. Yeah, cool. Okay.152801:41:24,180 --> 01:41:28,110Yeah. 3333 This is Dave Jonestech support feed refreshed152901:41:28,110 --> 01:41:31,920boost. It's been so long ago. Idon't even know what I did.153001:41:32,700 --> 01:41:35,340Alright, keep doing it. It'sworking. Keep doing it. Yes.153101:41:35,460 --> 01:41:38,910Middle Aged dev gave us 500 SASthrough fountaining. He says go153201:41:38,910 --> 01:41:45,750server upgrades. By the way.Speaking of server upgrades, the153301:41:45,780 --> 01:41:51,690aggregator rollout is finished.Congratulations. We dropped our153401:41:52,260 --> 01:42:00,300we dropped our monthly outlay onthe aggregators from $175 to153501:42:00,300 --> 01:42:01,440$45.153601:42:01,589 --> 01:42:04,049Ooh, nice. Yep,153701:42:04,110 --> 01:42:04,980that's a part.153801:42:05,130 --> 01:42:07,290That's a huge savings.153901:42:07,740 --> 01:42:15,390Yep, we saved 130 bucks. And sothe about about 40 of that will154001:42:15,390 --> 01:42:19,710go back into a couple of moreaggregators. And then the rest154101:42:19,710 --> 01:42:22,530of it will go into upgrade thedatabase to bigger via154201:42:22,950 --> 01:42:24,180beautiful web.154301:42:25,380 --> 01:42:31,560And by the way, huge thank youto McIntosh on Mastodon, who has154401:42:31,560 --> 01:42:37,530been helping me to tweak our weuse MySQL he's been helping me154501:42:37,530 --> 01:42:42,360tweak our MySQL server settingspool and he's been given me a154601:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,780lot of help with what hisrecommended he's a he's a guru154701:42:45,780 --> 01:42:49,290and he's been given me a lot ofhelp on which configuration154801:42:49,290 --> 01:42:52,980variables to use for ourparticular setup. So I'm going154901:42:52,980 --> 01:42:55,860to do I'm going to roll out hischanges that he recommended when155001:42:55,860 --> 01:43:00,870I do the server upgrade probablyin May. So it's going to be her155101:43:00,930 --> 01:43:04,380it Yeah, I really appreciate himhe just privately D and means155201:43:04,380 --> 01:43:06,900like, hey, let's get this thing.Let's get this thing in shape.155301:43:08,430 --> 01:43:11,550Thank you for that valueMacintosh. So sir dug through155401:43:11,550 --> 01:43:18,150fountain gives 4400 SATs and hesays Welcome back. You see, we155501:43:18,150 --> 01:43:22,650got 3333 again from saizen NewGrowth thank you so as new155601:43:22,650 --> 01:43:29,430growth and we got a 20 to 22 Rowducks from jaunty ms through155701:43:29,430 --> 01:43:32,400breeze and he says, listening toMIT OpenCourseWare155801:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,370cryptocurrency engineering anddesign taught by the co author155901:43:35,370 --> 01:43:38,790of the lightning white paper.Yeah, okay. Well, yeah. All156001:43:38,790 --> 01:43:42,420right. All right. This is eurodogs.156101:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,450He boosted that to us, but156201:43:46,500 --> 01:43:49,860I wonder what that's well, maybewe got Putting the value block156301:43:49,860 --> 01:43:53,430somewhere. Yeah, maybe that'sreally jarring when when I'm156401:43:53,430 --> 01:43:57,180looking at heli pad, and all ofa sudden, like, something shows156501:43:57,180 --> 01:43:58,710up for a whole differentpodcast.156601:43:59,190 --> 01:44:02,550Yeah. Went to us. It was to usfor the case of 81.156701:44:02,940 --> 01:44:06,780Okay, but I have seen this onewhen we're put into, into156801:44:06,780 --> 01:44:09,390someone's value block and itshows on the podcast like, well,156901:44:09,390 --> 01:44:11,850what is this doing here? Oh, wemust have put it in the split.157001:44:11,850 --> 01:44:16,560Okay. Cool. We wouldn't mindseeing more of that. Yeah,157101:44:16,770 --> 01:44:19,440that would be that'd be awelcome change. Auburn citadel.157201:44:19,470 --> 01:44:25,440Give us 49,000 SATs. Whoa. Andthrough fountain any says Public157301:44:25,440 --> 01:44:27,120Service Announcement stay up todate on your157401:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,000boosts? Boost. Nice. Thank you.157501:44:30,480 --> 01:44:33,600I agree. That is very, verypublic service announcement.157601:44:33,600 --> 01:44:40,470Karen from mere mortals podcast.Through pod friend gave us 3210157701:44:40,470 --> 01:44:44,340SATs and he says I used tomanually screenshot copy and157801:44:44,370 --> 01:44:47,010upload booster grant commentsinto my chapter images for a157901:44:47,010 --> 01:44:50,220while until it became tootedious. I would 100% use an158001:44:50,250 --> 01:44:52,350automated version of this greatidea Adam.158101:44:53,340 --> 01:44:58,020All right. This was the idea tohave boosted grams automatically158201:44:58,020 --> 01:45:05,010generate the chapter JSONoutdated as you go along. Yeah,158301:45:05,190 --> 01:45:09,120I would I would use that in someinstances, some instances.158401:45:10,170 --> 01:45:13,380I'm sure Dred Scott would toobecause it would give him more158501:45:13,410 --> 01:45:15,510tools in his Swiss Army Knifetoolbox.158601:45:15,930 --> 01:45:18,900There's so much that can be donewith with chapters.158701:45:21,030 --> 01:45:26,100Caspe eland gave us 33 sets andhe says, I hate listening live158801:45:26,160 --> 01:45:26,670week.158901:45:32,940 --> 01:45:36,780Caspian again 330 SAS and hesays, about the aggregator159001:45:36,780 --> 01:45:40,980nodes. How about decentralized?I got some spare V VPU clicks on159101:45:40,980 --> 01:45:44,490my end many ways. That'ssomething we've talked about159201:45:44,490 --> 01:45:45,150before I159301:45:45,150 --> 01:45:45,840remember that.159401:45:47,010 --> 01:45:52,200And it is something I'm stillvery willing to do. We backed159501:45:52,200 --> 01:45:56,520off from it, because there's adanger there. If you don't159601:45:56,520 --> 01:46:01,440design it mean like perfectly,is the danger of just basically159701:46:01,440 --> 01:46:04,710becoming a huge DDoS machine onpodcast hosting companies.159801:46:05,370 --> 01:46:09,000Yeah, well, this is also fromthat, I think stemmed the whole159901:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,060pod picking development. Soultimately, everyone will be160001:46:12,060 --> 01:46:14,070using pod ping. Right.160101:46:14,910 --> 01:46:20,490Yep. Right. Exactly. And we'reseeing it roll out. It's, it's160201:46:20,490 --> 01:46:26,460marching forward. I love it. Imean, I said, I think I said160301:46:26,610 --> 01:46:30,360towards, I think I said a couplemonths ago, or maybe a month ago160401:46:30,360 --> 01:46:36,900that I really think that we'regoing to be pushing 400,000160501:46:37,530 --> 01:46:41,490podcast feeds, using pod payingby the end of the year. Oh, I160601:46:41,490 --> 01:46:45,630think that's more than feasible.Close to half a million feeds.160701:46:46,260 --> 01:46:49,560And I think at that point, itjust becomes at that moment at160801:46:49,560 --> 01:46:49,770that160901:46:49,770 --> 01:46:52,890point. Yeah, at that point. Youalso have most of the active161001:46:53,190 --> 01:46:54,360podcast probably.161101:46:54,780 --> 01:46:58,380Yeah, yeah. All you reallyhonestly, all you really need is161201:46:58,380 --> 01:47:03,780probably the top and I'm notincluding anchor and I mean,161301:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,890obviously blah, blah. But youknow, as far as the paid hosts161401:47:07,890 --> 01:47:12,510go, really only all you need ismaybe the top 10 And you have161501:47:12,510 --> 01:47:17,640covered you've covered almosteverything that's a routinely161601:47:17,670 --> 01:47:18,780update frequently update.161701:47:18,810 --> 01:47:23,850We need a promotion team atPodcast Movement in August in161801:47:23,850 --> 01:47:27,600Dallas. Yeah. A pod pingpromotion team.161901:47:29,430 --> 01:47:30,780pppd. Yes,162001:47:30,810 --> 01:47:34,320thank you. And I'm not quitesure exactly what they do. I do162101:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,930know what the goal is. But wouldthey need some?162201:47:39,180 --> 01:47:42,180Just laughing because this iscreating teams for things that162301:47:42,180 --> 01:47:42,930we don't understand.162401:47:43,230 --> 01:47:48,030Well, you know, one of myfavorite marketing promotions of162501:47:48,030 --> 01:47:51,060all time very successful in allof the marketing books is I want162601:47:51,060 --> 01:47:56,010my MTV Yeah, you like that? So Iwant my pod ping but that sounds162701:47:56,010 --> 01:47:59,100shit. So we got to come up withsomething better but you know,162801:48:00,330 --> 01:48:07,290ping me, maybe ping me. Okay,well, to be worked on, but in162901:48:07,290 --> 01:48:11,010general, I would say pod ping isa big one to talk about it at163001:48:11,130 --> 01:48:13,680Podcast Movement. We're gonnahave a presence this year. We're163101:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,620going to be there we're going tobe in full force. Oh heck yeah163201:48:16,620 --> 01:48:20,010me kicking ass and taking namesand anyone out of the building163301:48:20,010 --> 01:48:22,380until the 2.0 compliant and podping or wall163401:48:22,950 --> 01:48:27,060ping and ask not kicking asspinging pinging pinging as in163501:48:27,060 --> 01:48:32,190writing into the blockchain.Cast peatland again 2937 He says163601:48:32,190 --> 01:48:35,790thanks for the work in FeltonThank you boost boost boost.163701:48:37,080 --> 01:48:41,340We'll see if 5050 says forMacintosh. Speak of the devil.163801:48:41,670 --> 01:48:46,440He says thanks guys Note to selfput Kate SATs in wallet. What163901:48:46,440 --> 01:48:47,310does that mean Kate164001:48:47,310 --> 01:48:52,680to set k i t. I have no ideawhat he's talking about.164101:48:52,830 --> 01:48:56,730No idea. You know what thatmeans? send another donation164201:48:56,730 --> 01:49:03,390next week. Satoshi stream 5552says through fountain and he164301:49:03,390 --> 01:49:07,650says to podcast app developersthe bolt for the V for V to V164401:49:07,650 --> 01:49:11,280metadata has not been changedsince January. Now's a good time164501:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,710to implement boosts andstreaming sets. It's not a164601:49:13,710 --> 01:49:16,110moving target. It's stable. Good164701:49:16,110 --> 01:49:21,960point. Excellent point Satoshistreams yeah right arm pirate164801:49:21,960 --> 01:49:25,710pioneers by the way pioneers inthe industry pioneers of the TLV164901:49:25,710 --> 01:49:26,160record165001:49:27,030 --> 01:49:30,870they still kill me becauseessentially stream just came out165101:49:30,870 --> 01:49:36,450of nowhere like day one. Likeoh, what I mean, that was just165201:49:36,450 --> 01:49:37,020amazing.165301:49:37,530 --> 01:49:41,100Isn't it isn't Dutch guys whorun on that? Yeah, yeah. The165401:49:41,100 --> 01:49:42,540Dutch man. I tell you,165501:49:42,810 --> 01:49:47,550we keep calling Satoshi stream.God Dutch guys like it's a team.165601:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,660It's probably just one dude. Imean, like, or it could be a165701:49:51,660 --> 01:49:53,370chick like one day that one.165801:49:53,760 --> 01:49:57,240First of all, shame on you DaveJones for saying a chick165901:49:57,900 --> 01:49:59,970with this. As in dude.166001:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,640Yeah, you said one guy, guy.166101:50:03,150 --> 01:50:06,390Oh, I thought I said dude,shakes guys and gals so166201:50:06,390 --> 01:50:10,260well, we need to have theSatoshi stream team, the stream166301:50:10,260 --> 01:50:13,290team need to have him on theshow. The stream team. This is166401:50:13,290 --> 01:50:16,830an outrage. We haven't had thestream team on the show. Yeah.166501:50:16,830 --> 01:50:17,010Why166601:50:17,010 --> 01:50:18,000have we done that? Okay, I166701:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,910don't know. You're in charge ofbooking guests. I'm honest. is166801:50:20,910 --> 01:50:23,010biased. You hate Dutch people? Iguess?166901:50:23,400 --> 01:50:29,040I did. Well, I mean, just just afew. Only hate the only hate167001:50:29,070 --> 01:50:38,670only hate pureblood. It's yourmedulla. Okay. Dred Scott 25,333167101:50:38,670 --> 01:50:42,480sets. I should cast thematic isnot a chick. I know this.167201:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,550Through good authority.transcripts. Regarding167301:50:47,550 --> 01:50:50,370transcripts, I have a conditioncalled auditory processing167401:50:50,370 --> 01:50:54,630disorder. APD. There are manytimes I need the transcripts to167501:50:54,630 --> 01:50:58,260help me process what I'mhearing. They're very helpful. I167601:50:58,260 --> 01:51:02,490always, I also always watch TVwith captions on. Oh, okay.167701:51:02,490 --> 01:51:05,640That's interesting. Add chapterimages to transcripts, and my167801:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,970brain is fully engaged in thepodcast. Thanks, everyone.167901:51:10,020 --> 01:51:12,660Thanks, everyone, forincorporating transcripts.168001:51:13,290 --> 01:51:17,490Auditory Processing Disorder isit's not new, but it has168101:51:17,490 --> 01:51:21,480increased significantly in thepast five or 10. Five years,168201:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,900we've done a lot of research onthis for the no agenda show is I168301:51:24,900 --> 01:51:31,080noticed that many people ofmillennial age use captions are168401:51:31,080 --> 01:51:36,030all the time on any video.They're watching movies, TV168501:51:36,030 --> 01:51:40,410shows, even YouTube videos. AndI started questioning this. And168601:51:40,410 --> 01:51:45,180one of the or the main issue isbecause of a number of reasons,168701:51:45,420 --> 01:51:48,990mainly distraction, people nolonger comprehending as well as168801:51:48,990 --> 01:51:54,300it's kind of a brain. So I don'twant to categorize anything drag168901:51:54,300 --> 01:51:59,490mine have is I have no, nobusiness categorizing it, but it169001:51:59,490 --> 01:52:03,240is a real thing. And your brainis not processing as well as it169101:52:03,240 --> 01:52:08,340possibly could. And I have ahearing. I'm a victim of hearing169201:52:08,340 --> 01:52:12,150disability, I gotta say, right.And even though I have hearing169301:52:12,150 --> 01:52:16,350aids, I find that the mixtypically done on many movies169401:52:16,350 --> 01:52:20,070today are done for 5.1 Dolby,or, you know, some kind of home169501:52:20,070 --> 01:52:23,070theater setup they in you know,so I'm missing the middle169601:52:23,070 --> 01:52:27,630channel. And even Tina who hasperfect hearing, he's like,169701:52:27,630 --> 01:52:30,510let's just turn on the captionsis just so it's just that much169801:52:30,510 --> 01:52:34,980easier. Okay, so that's, I thinka lot of people benefit from169901:52:34,980 --> 01:52:39,000that. And the thing that I Istill don't understand why I'm170001:52:39,000 --> 01:52:44,010the only one ever talking aboutit is so we're talking about um,170101:52:44,040 --> 01:52:49,650yeah, the you mentioned my sondriving off in his motorcycle,170201:52:49,830 --> 01:52:53,580you know, a long time ago on theshow. This is something that is170301:52:53,580 --> 01:52:57,300completely searchable in atranscript and you click on the170401:52:57,300 --> 01:53:00,270link the timecode and it startsplaying right from that link.170501:53:00,270 --> 01:53:03,930This is a very valuable researchaccessory,170601:53:04,350 --> 01:53:07,140extremely valuable that wouldenable the Brookings Institute170701:53:07,140 --> 01:53:08,670to write articles much faster.170801:53:09,840 --> 01:53:11,640They could even automate it withsome AI170901:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,620would you say that you are not avictim of auditory auditory171001:53:16,650 --> 01:53:20,490problems you are a personexperiencing sound lessness171101:53:20,520 --> 01:53:21,180Correct.171201:53:22,290 --> 01:53:22,890Thank you171301:53:25,230 --> 01:53:29,490see, lood gave us 10 sets and hesays forgive me for the meager171401:53:29,490 --> 01:53:32,880set donation pot father and potsage. But I would like to offer171501:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,150my services in recording any ofthe white papers, facts or blog171601:53:36,150 --> 01:53:40,050posts in audio form as a timedonation you can reach me at171701:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,680email if you'd like to Grace mewith this great honor go171801:53:43,680 --> 01:53:44,520podcasting171901:53:44,610 --> 01:53:49,260Wait a minute go podcast. Is hesuggesting that the exact172001:53:49,290 --> 01:53:52,200opposite what we're just talkingabout? It will be creating audio172101:53:52,230 --> 01:53:56,550out of documentation and paperswe've written172201:53:56,940 --> 01:53:59,910that I think he's he'ssuggesting exactly that. We're172301:53:59,910 --> 01:54:03,600all in on that man. Go for it.Yeah, I'm great. Here do this.172401:54:03,930 --> 01:54:10,410See lewd? Every time I post ablog post, which I plan to post172501:54:10,440 --> 01:54:13,350many more on a more frequentbasis when my son's not trying172601:54:13,350 --> 01:54:18,300to kill himself. When when I dothat, just record it and send it172701:54:18,300 --> 01:54:21,300to me and then I'll put it onthe substack little podcast.172801:54:21,690 --> 01:54:23,370There you go. Yeah.172901:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,900Thank you. Thanks for thatoffer. Let's see who we got. Oh,173001:54:29,040 --> 01:54:33,300Roy, from breeze 54,321 SATs.173101:54:33,330 --> 01:54:36,000Yeah, how you doing boosternice.173201:54:36,180 --> 01:54:43,590He says bitcoin is the realfucking money. But but he's not173301:54:43,590 --> 01:54:49,110done. Oh, okay. Has he inanother 54,301 Holy173401:54:49,110 --> 01:54:52,260press. Oh, man. Don't just standthere. Boost.173501:54:52,680 --> 01:55:01,710And he says I love Adam. It wasTwo together is almost a buzzer173601:55:01,710 --> 01:55:02,640baller boost173701:55:03,180 --> 01:55:04,950that's your right all173801:55:04,950 --> 01:55:09,510right shot caller 20 is bladeson I am Paula. That's such a173901:55:09,510 --> 01:55:09,720good174001:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,300time hanging out with him forthe short time it was at the174101:55:12,360 --> 01:55:13,680Bitcoin Conference.174201:55:14,790 --> 01:55:17,760When you get ready to come offto come off the pocket with174301:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,850108,000 SATs you do it youbetter be proud of yourself.174401:55:22,980 --> 01:55:26,040Well remember he says he lovesme. That's right. And he knows174501:55:26,070 --> 01:55:30,180and he knows no love money backso he knows. Thank you.174601:55:31,380 --> 01:55:38,910Love go up 1611 SATs, anotherfrom see lewd. He says Wait,174701:55:39,420 --> 01:55:41,940let's see say greetings butfather and pause stage my last174801:55:41,940 --> 01:55:44,310Mr. Graham shouldn't have gonethrough so I'll send this one.174901:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,380Wait. So is he rescinding hisoffer?175001:55:47,670 --> 01:55:52,050I don't know. There's no takebacks and booster grams.175101:55:52,140 --> 01:55:55,560No take back seat. I'll be happyto record in audio form whatever175201:55:55,560 --> 01:55:59,700manifesto white paper or blogpost you'd like promoted to the175301:55:59,700 --> 01:56:03,900podcasting standards. manifestoswe don't have enough men if175401:56:03,900 --> 01:56:06,060I'm writing the man, if I'mreading the manifesto, I'm175501:56:06,060 --> 01:56:07,920writing the value for valuemanifesto.175601:56:08,190 --> 01:56:10,950Oh, that's right. Yeah, wedon't. It's got to be called175701:56:10,950 --> 01:56:11,190that175801:56:11,790 --> 01:56:14,220value for value. Festo, ofcourse,175901:56:15,390 --> 01:56:16,320by Adam Clarke.176001:56:17,700 --> 01:56:19,920Gotta have the three names inthere to make sure they know176101:56:19,920 --> 01:56:21,420that. It's time to get me.176201:56:21,750 --> 01:56:23,940Yeah, that way when you run offin the woods in North Carolina,176301:56:23,940 --> 01:56:27,630they can we can properly findyou. Right. That's right. Nomad,176401:56:27,630 --> 01:56:30,690Joe 2000 says through fountainand he says boosted176501:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,780boosted and D fat streams. Thankyou.176601:56:34,530 --> 01:56:38,670Brian of London Sir Brian ofLondon and the hive Dao through176701:56:38,670 --> 01:56:42,090the value for value app RubeGoldberg machine he says weekly176801:56:42,090 --> 01:56:45,420$10 V for V donation convertedto SAS from Brian of London and176901:56:45,420 --> 01:56:47,970the hive DHF da o go podcast.177001:56:49,320 --> 01:56:54,090Podcast. Not Did I understandthat Brian? Is is out of the177101:56:54,090 --> 01:56:58,380country on vacation for a week.What he's doing now he's sailing177201:56:58,380 --> 01:57:01,740a boat. Right? He isn't hesailing a boat back from177301:57:02,040 --> 01:57:06,450somewhere like, like a yachtboat? Like a like a proper boat?177401:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,140Oh, I don't know. But I hope so.Because that's really cool.177501:57:10,590 --> 01:57:13,500I think he's done it before. Butwhat was interesting is I saw177601:57:13,500 --> 01:57:16,650him making all thesepreparations. Because that's177701:57:16,650 --> 01:57:21,210right, his Rube Goldbergmachine. I'm taking I'm taking177801:57:21,900 --> 01:57:28,650bets right now. I give thisthing 48 hours. Right, Scott? I177901:57:28,650 --> 01:57:32,790know this because this is Adam.Brian is Brian is Adam with178001:57:32,790 --> 01:57:38,100coding skills. I know that thisis 48 hours. The thing's gonna178101:57:38,100 --> 01:57:42,540shit the best. He's gonna havehis parents rebooting his178201:57:42,540 --> 01:57:43,140laptop.178301:57:43,830 --> 01:57:50,070He's not even to the marina andit's cray cray.178401:57:50,070 --> 01:57:50,850Love you, Brian.178501:57:51,180 --> 01:57:56,190Yes, absolutely. Chris. This isChris from Jupiter broadcasting.178601:57:56,700 --> 01:58:02,310Chris Fisher gave us 2000 SATs afountain. He says Adam great job178701:58:02,310 --> 01:58:05,070spreading the podcast and 2.0message on the what Bitcoin did178801:58:05,070 --> 01:58:08,580show one of your more conciseand compelling summaries yet I178901:58:08,580 --> 01:58:11,220clipped it to help others spreadthe word and he has the link179001:58:11,220 --> 01:58:13,170here. He says PS Dave rocks.179101:58:15,600 --> 01:58:20,160Thanks. That was good. That'sPeter Peter McCormick. What big179201:58:20,160 --> 01:58:25,200Bitcoin did I really enjoy Peterbecause we have very different179301:58:25,200 --> 01:58:29,820political views, very differentviews on on medical, health,179401:58:29,820 --> 01:58:36,540etc. But it for my money typicalBitcoin or fashion, we have a179501:58:36,540 --> 01:58:43,770common understanding a commoncommon interest common in a way179601:58:43,770 --> 01:58:46,140common life view even though wecome from very different179701:58:46,530 --> 01:58:50,070perspectives, and it's always soenjoyable to speak with him179801:58:50,070 --> 01:58:51,450whether we're recording or not.179901:58:51,929 --> 01:58:54,359I would almost call it aconsensus.180001:58:55,349 --> 01:58:59,489I call just being human civilcivility is what I call it, you180101:58:59,489 --> 01:59:03,299know, catching but I was lookingat the tweets, comments in180201:59:03,299 --> 01:59:06,419between most of them. When heposted the show. Most of them180301:59:06,419 --> 01:59:09,719were positive. But then one ofthem was like, This guy says180401:59:09,719 --> 01:59:14,519crazy stuff. I can't believePeter didn't push back180501:59:14,790 --> 01:59:17,400and like push back. But that'sthe point.180601:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,830You don't have to argue witheverybody. He said no, I don't180701:59:19,830 --> 01:59:21,030agree with that. Okay, done.180801:59:22,200 --> 01:59:27,420Did you point them to your newcattle in the enterprise? Like180901:59:27,450 --> 01:59:28,890my cattle enterprise?181001:59:28,920 --> 01:59:32,400Yeah, you remember that ladyfrom Vice or whatever, not vice181101:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,930but the delay that read thearticle from Daily Beast said181201:59:36,930 --> 01:59:40,470that you were pimping yourCattle Company?181301:59:40,500 --> 01:59:46,200Oh, yeah. That's right. Someoneposted it was a review of of181401:59:46,200 --> 01:59:50,850Bitcoin 22 days Adam currypimping his new cattle, his new181501:59:50,850 --> 01:59:52,920cattle venture? No.181601:59:53,340 --> 01:59:56,070The one that said that everybodyin the Bitcoin world are crazy181701:59:56,070 --> 01:59:57,570psychopaths that want to killeach other.181801:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,850Yeah, that's the Yeah, that'sthe one that's the article.181901:59:59,850 --> 02:00:00,330Yeah. US,182002:00:01,410 --> 02:00:07,050Scott SC OTT gave us 20,420 SATsto be a breeze, thank you. And182102:00:07,050 --> 02:00:09,840he says, I missed a couple ofweeks of boosting, I'm tried to182202:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,210send through the fountain apptwice now and it failed.182302:00:13,710 --> 02:00:16,500You know, when, when thishappens, if you get a fail, it182402:00:16,500 --> 02:00:18,960will be really helpful if youpost out if you're emailing it,182502:00:19,230 --> 02:00:22,230what app you use, and whatexactly failed, maybe you can182602:00:22,230 --> 02:00:26,610make a screenshot if it was allpayment, one payment, it would182702:00:26,610 --> 02:00:28,620be handy to have a little moreinfo on that.182802:00:29,010 --> 02:00:33,150Would it be fair to say that alot of times it's your node182902:00:33,690 --> 02:00:36,120that's failing because it tendsto go up and down,183002:00:36,270 --> 02:00:40,260I would say there's a highcorrelation between fails. And183102:00:40,290 --> 02:00:43,650and mind, which is really just amonitor node. You know, it's,183202:00:43,680 --> 02:00:51,030it's a 1%. And it's a piece ofcrap. To this piece of crap.183302:00:51,360 --> 02:00:56,910It's it's a surface laptop thathas Ubuntu on it, fresh,183402:00:56,910 --> 02:01:03,000complete native install with anexternal, one terabyte drive,183502:01:03,300 --> 02:01:07,200and I'm running Umbral on it.And interestingly enough torch183602:01:07,200 --> 02:01:11,910and yes, and interestinglyenough, it I was able to183702:01:11,910 --> 02:01:15,120reproduce when it craps out.First of all, I have to be out183802:01:15,120 --> 02:01:17,640of town or out of the country.That's, that's the only way he183902:01:17,640 --> 02:01:22,680can reproduce it crashing outwith no possibility of SSH in184002:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,000because it's just locked up.184102:01:24,330 --> 02:01:27,600When troubleshooting verydifficult when the184202:01:27,660 --> 02:01:32,610software update clicks, it wouldpop open the Software Update184302:01:32,610 --> 02:01:36,510dialog box. And that wouldalways break it. So I just184402:01:36,510 --> 02:01:39,930disabled that thing fromchecking and alerting. And we'll184502:01:39,930 --> 02:01:42,360see how well it does. Yeah, itwas I don't know why it did184602:01:42,360 --> 02:01:46,410that. But you know, it's also Iknow, I'm bad, but it's also184702:01:46,410 --> 02:01:50,820connected through Wi Fi notthrough Ethernet. So it's it's184802:01:50,820 --> 02:01:55,140really beneath me to have thisgear running. In fact, I have no184902:01:55,140 --> 02:01:56,790business criticizing Brian.185002:01:57,780 --> 02:02:01,050The the computer only crashes185102:02:01,440 --> 02:02:01,920when you're out of185202:02:02,849 --> 02:02:08,789powers when the power is on. Sojust the delimiter comic strip185302:02:08,789 --> 02:02:12,989blogger Ooh, already three setsYeah, cast ematic he says Howdy,185402:02:12,989 --> 02:02:15,599David. Adam, I wish you HappyEaster and your listeners are185502:02:15,599 --> 02:02:19,619warmly invited to hear voice ofcherub as DC girl calls him.185602:02:19,829 --> 02:02:23,129Gregory William Forsythe Foremanfrom Kent and a podcast about185702:02:23,129 --> 02:02:27,299artificial intelligence AI dotcooking. Stay safe with Jesus185802:02:27,299 --> 02:02:29,069yo. Okay.185902:02:33,810 --> 02:02:39,660Thanks CSB report man how?Commerce your blogger how's the186002:02:39,660 --> 02:02:40,380show doing?186102:02:41,490 --> 02:02:42,210Stats?186202:02:43,200 --> 02:02:46,170Is that thing value for value? Idon't I don't even remember ever186302:02:46,650 --> 02:02:47,910checking that actually.186402:02:48,450 --> 02:02:50,850Oh, no, no, no, we need we needan update.186502:02:50,910 --> 02:02:54,540I would like to know how it'sgoing with the show. I mean, is186602:02:54,540 --> 02:02:59,280this blatant promotion you do onevery podcast that I know about?186702:02:59,310 --> 02:03:04,320Is it working? Yeah. Are wedriving traffic to or are we186802:03:04,320 --> 02:03:06,870helping grow your show? Growyour show?186902:03:09,090 --> 02:03:12,960Monthly contributors? Get a lotof them because it's two weeks187002:03:12,960 --> 02:03:16,800worth here. We got Keith Gibson$50 Thank you, Keith. Longtime.187102:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,940Thank you. Yeah, longtimesupporter, Dwayne Goldy, another187202:03:20,940 --> 02:03:27,420longtime supporter $8. Paul airskin $11.14 always this the fun187302:03:27,420 --> 02:03:29,280with that adds up to somethingat the end of the year that I187402:03:29,280 --> 02:03:35,760don't remember. Michael Gagan $5Charles current $5 savaria Vash187502:03:35,820 --> 02:03:41,910$5 David Wood would find $3Timothy Hudgins my buddy $25187602:03:42,210 --> 02:03:47,610Jeremy Garrett's $5 PaulSaltzman $22.22 roadex187702:03:47,640 --> 02:03:52,110Paul Paul has been supportingthis from day one. He has he's,187802:03:52,440 --> 02:03:55,290I've known I think I've knownhim for 30 years.187902:03:55,800 --> 02:04:00,000Really? Yeah, it's been thatlong. Yeah. Damon Castle, Jack188002:04:00,330 --> 02:04:06,540$15 Derek Vickery. This $21David Norman $25 Thank you,188102:04:06,540 --> 02:04:12,300David. Jeremy, Kevin, all $10Jeffrey Rutherford $5 Chris188202:04:12,300 --> 02:04:20,250Cowan $5 Alice gates, sir Alicegates $25 Carrie Keller, $5 CR188302:04:20,250 --> 02:04:24,630and Miller $5. And ThomasSullivan, Jr. $5.188402:04:24,660 --> 02:04:28,140What a beautiful group. Thankyou all very much for supporting188502:04:28,170 --> 02:04:33,360podcasting. 2.0 the entireproject following the rules of188602:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,570the good Brookings Institution,we are very transparent about188702:04:36,570 --> 02:04:39,780what's coming from where, andwe're proud of that. And we're188802:04:39,780 --> 02:04:44,310proud we're proud of it. Andwhere it's going as well, I188902:04:44,310 --> 02:04:46,950mean, this is this goes straightinto liquidity on by the way, I189002:04:46,950 --> 02:04:51,600did drop the fees on podcastindex. Now cool. We no longer189102:04:51,600 --> 02:04:58,320have the, the 10 million Satoshislashers. So, so the it's189202:04:58,320 --> 02:05:03,390succeeded. It's slow thatdownload, I still have it quite189302:05:03,390 --> 02:05:11,070high compared to many out of thebox. So we're at 0.01% with with189402:05:11,070 --> 02:05:16,440a zero base fee. And that seemsto everything seems to be189502:05:16,440 --> 02:05:20,070reasonably balanced, although wealso did have. And this is a189602:05:20,070 --> 02:05:25,110known lightning lnd bug, whichhas just been there ever since189702:05:25,110 --> 02:05:28,680I've been looking at it, you getspontaneous channel closures.189802:05:29,010 --> 02:05:33,600And when Alan pay closes, now,which happened everything break,189902:05:33,630 --> 02:05:39,540actually it was it was between Ithink it was we have a channel190002:05:39,840 --> 02:05:47,640with the fountain, sis, theyhave a private LM pay system.190102:05:48,450 --> 02:05:52,230And we have a channel with themthat one closed. And so even190202:05:52,230 --> 02:05:55,110though there's other routes whensomething like that happens, the190302:05:55,110 --> 02:05:58,980whole network has to kind ofreconfigure and routes have to190402:05:58,980 --> 02:06:02,910be recalculated, graphs have tobe updated. So especially a big190502:06:02,910 --> 02:06:06,000channel like that, because wehave I think 10 million SATs190602:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,530with the with LM pay.190702:06:08,460 --> 02:06:10,620I can always tell when somethinglike that happens, because all190802:06:10,620 --> 02:06:13,230sudden payments still go througha lot of times, but they get190902:06:13,230 --> 02:06:13,980real slow.191002:06:14,100 --> 02:06:19,020Yes, my house actually tilted. Ialways know when the big191102:06:19,020 --> 02:06:28,110channels closed. Whoa. Whoa, itwas that. And again, you know,191202:06:28,110 --> 02:06:30,870I'm very excited about all thedevelopments we're learning191302:06:30,870 --> 02:06:35,220voltage with the solution was alittle undefined, although they191402:06:35,220 --> 02:06:39,180do have some good marketing outthere on the on the website. And191502:06:39,180 --> 02:06:44,070of course, the the C lightningor the calling is a calling it191602:06:44,070 --> 02:06:48,330core lightning now or at core,or C or they call it CLN. Things191702:06:48,330 --> 02:06:54,480are calling CLN CLN. Yeah. Withyou know, with the basically191802:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,110spin it up, you're good to go.And you own the keys. Now, of191902:06:58,110 --> 02:07:01,380course cloud stuff can go downcan be destroyed, but you have192002:07:01,380 --> 02:07:03,330the keys. So that's the beauty.192102:07:03,929 --> 02:07:12,179Kevin rook on his show where heinterviewed Lisa. Nick nylgut,192202:07:12,269 --> 02:07:17,309Nick Africa, don't pronounce herlast name. Maybe she's one of192302:07:17,309 --> 02:07:18,899the core developers on the core.192402:07:19,050 --> 02:07:22,710Oh, yeah. I did hear that. Yes.Oh, yeah. You sent that to me.192502:07:22,830 --> 02:07:27,570Fantastic interview. It wasreally good. She, but the only192602:07:27,570 --> 02:07:33,180problem is, yeah, she's one ofthese who say a lot of etc. And192702:07:33,180 --> 02:07:36,750right. But I was able to listenthrough it.192802:07:37,320 --> 02:07:41,700Me too. I did. I forced my waythrough it. And it was really192902:07:41,700 --> 02:07:46,590she has very good information, alot of a lot of sort of inside193002:07:46,590 --> 02:07:49,140insight into what's going onwith the different lightning193102:07:49,140 --> 02:07:51,570implementations and why they dowhat they do.193202:07:51,750 --> 02:07:54,060Especially, she has someinteresting things to say about193302:07:54,060 --> 02:07:58,890lightning labs. Yes, yes. Yeah.And I want to tell her because193402:07:59,130 --> 02:08:03,090that sounded harsh what I justsaid, but I've done this with my193502:08:03,090 --> 02:08:07,290podcast partners. Certain JhansiDvorak, we call each other on193602:08:07,290 --> 02:08:10,920the air for it, because it'svery easy to slip into these193702:08:10,920 --> 02:08:15,450things. And you wind up sayingreal and it's stopwords you193802:08:15,450 --> 02:08:21,450know, stuff, the stuff you thinkabout? It's contagious. So if193902:08:21,450 --> 02:08:25,710she would listen to her use ofcertain words, she would be more194002:08:25,710 --> 02:08:28,860conscious of it and would bebetter because she has great194102:08:28,860 --> 02:08:32,070information. It's just at acertain point, calm I think we194202:08:32,070 --> 02:08:35,970texted like, oh my god, I haveto get past this part. Yeah, was194302:08:35,970 --> 02:08:37,020really good, though.194402:08:37,530 --> 02:08:40,440I do it too. And um, I hearmyself as well. The reason why I194502:08:40,440 --> 02:08:44,700listened back to the show to ourepisodes is because I found out194602:08:44,730 --> 02:08:50,250last week that I did I used thephrase, all that jazz about 20194702:08:50,250 --> 02:08:55,800times over over shows. Yeah. SoI'm like, okay, that one's gonna194802:08:55,800 --> 02:08:56,760stop. It's interesting.194902:08:57,600 --> 02:09:01,890I didn't catch it. So it didn'tknow honestly interesting. But195002:09:02,880 --> 02:09:09,240the divorce recognize stuff likeya know, in my opinion, I think195102:09:10,140 --> 02:09:13,020fact of the matter day at theend of the day, all of this195202:09:13,020 --> 02:09:17,940stuff Yeah. So we get better weget better as we go along. But195302:09:17,940 --> 02:09:21,120yeah, that's a Kevin Brooks showwas pretty popular.195402:09:21,660 --> 02:09:24,390It's really good. And he's gotgood he's got good information195502:09:24,390 --> 02:09:28,770on there. I think he lets peopletalk. It's it's a top notch195602:09:28,770 --> 02:09:29,490show. Give it a listen.195702:09:29,580 --> 02:09:34,050That and Linux unplugged is kindof my new jam. I got sucked into195802:09:34,050 --> 02:09:36,930it because they're doing a lotof booster grams. And then I'm195902:09:36,930 --> 02:09:41,070listening to it. I got to askthose guys a question. I should196002:09:41,070 --> 02:09:41,760boost it to him.196102:09:42,570 --> 02:09:45,510Well, Chris listens to youshould listen. You can ask it196202:09:45,510 --> 02:09:45,930right now.196302:09:45,990 --> 02:09:51,120Well, they're always testing outnew Linux installs. That's a lot196402:09:51,120 --> 02:09:54,990of what they do or Linuxupgrades and distros and I'm196502:09:54,990 --> 02:09:59,580wondering, does anyone have it?So I have I am running Linux196602:09:59,580 --> 02:10:03,450Mint. as my daily driver now ifI wanted to migrate, I'd be in196702:10:03,450 --> 02:10:07,770trouble. I mean, I have stuffinstalled I should have some PHP196802:10:07,770 --> 02:10:11,730version. What are these guys dothey have one laptop is really196902:10:11,730 --> 02:10:14,100their laptop and they use andthey don't mess with it and they197002:10:14,100 --> 02:10:17,730have another Junker that theychange all the time. Or is there197102:10:17,730 --> 02:10:22,950a simple way to move yourenvironment over in the in the197202:10:24,000 --> 02:10:27,090in the Linux environment whereyou move a lot of stuff over or197302:10:27,090 --> 02:10:29,010just wind up reinstallingeverything197402:10:29,640 --> 02:10:32,820a lot of it is included AllahAllah let them and change the197502:10:32,820 --> 02:10:36,330data files. Yeah, and then addfiles in your home directory. So197602:10:36,330 --> 02:10:39,150you can you can bring it overlike Mutt and Stuff like that.197702:10:39,150 --> 02:10:39,570Oh, yeah.197802:10:39,630 --> 02:10:44,220That my bash profile mutt? Yeah,that that part always works. But197902:10:44,220 --> 02:10:50,070it's, it's always the the thingsthat Nevermind, it's me. I'm a198002:10:50,070 --> 02:10:57,330hack. I'll put this in slashuser slash s bin. I move this198102:10:57,330 --> 02:11:01,380over here that talks to this paYeah. Not to me as me. Okay.198202:11:01,410 --> 02:11:07,530Now this stuff. Sorry. Allright. I got I'm up against a198302:11:08,550 --> 02:11:09,330deadline, gotta198402:11:09,330 --> 02:11:12,690medication deadline. Just wantedto well, maybe these for the198502:11:12,690 --> 02:11:17,610next show. maps.fm These guysare back on the radar. We need198602:11:17,610 --> 02:11:22,170to figure out how we Yeah, theysent an email. Okay, we need to198702:11:22,170 --> 02:11:24,900figure out how we incorporatethem because I'm feeling like198802:11:24,900 --> 02:11:28,710we're missing a huge opportunitymapping not in geolocation, not198902:11:28,710 --> 02:11:34,440really my my forte, but I haveit on the list. Talk about it199002:11:34,440 --> 02:11:40,050next next week. And then Oh,yeah. Focus right days coming199102:11:40,050 --> 02:11:45,810out with a podcast on one box.After Gosh, how many do we have199202:11:45,810 --> 02:11:47,610now? Three. I've tested three orfour.199302:11:48,540 --> 02:11:53,280Yeah, we're still waiting forthe for the the namesake. We're199402:11:53,280 --> 02:11:54,390still waiting for your namesake.199502:11:54,420 --> 02:11:57,840Yes. Good luck with that. That'sa long way off. Dave Jackson is199602:11:57,840 --> 02:12:01,050the guy who's he's Dave JacksonSchool of Paki sending this over199702:12:01,050 --> 02:12:04,080to me. He's like, Yeah, you gotalk to Adam. You got a new box199802:12:04,080 --> 02:12:07,800coming out to the market and Guycontacts me. He's like, hey, you199902:12:07,800 --> 02:12:10,470know, are you interested inthis? I send you one, you can200002:12:10,470 --> 02:12:13,410test it out. And I'm now youknow, why don't you send me the200102:12:13,410 --> 02:12:18,090specs. So I can see I don't wantto waste your time. And then200202:12:18,240 --> 02:12:25,020they send over an NDA. And it'slike, oh, and I'm like, man. And200302:12:25,020 --> 02:12:29,280so and I was about to kind ofsay, Ahmed, I there's too much200402:12:29,280 --> 02:12:32,070in here without prejudice andall these terms. I'm not quite200502:12:32,070 --> 02:12:34,560sure I don't want to get it. Idon't want you to be in trouble.200602:12:34,560 --> 02:12:37,020I don't want to be in trouble.And then he sends me the top200702:12:37,020 --> 02:12:41,040level specs and there it is.loopback devices. So I said, Oh200802:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,290man, I appreciate it. Now youdon't have to send me anything200902:12:43,290 --> 02:12:47,100because this is for gamers. Thiswas not developed for podcasters201002:12:48,210 --> 02:12:51,330if you ever want some freeadvice, I'd be happy to talk to201102:12:51,330 --> 02:12:51,780anybody.201202:12:52,350 --> 02:12:55,500That's that's the new term thatwe learned from our mutual201302:12:55,500 --> 02:12:59,220friend. Don't send me the NDAsend me the friend da friend.201402:13:00,030 --> 02:13:04,830Exactly. All right, I'm off toto New York but I'll be back for201502:13:05,340 --> 02:13:09,930for the next board meeting. Andit travels brother thank you man201602:13:09,930 --> 02:13:15,030and give your son a big hug whenwe're all praying for him. We201702:13:15,030 --> 02:13:18,060know we know he's out of thewoods but still you know it's a201802:13:18,090 --> 02:13:21,060it's a rehabilitation is goingto suck ass.201902:13:21,450 --> 02:13:23,610No, it's going to be terriblebut he can't get away from me202002:13:23,610 --> 02:13:25,920now I got full control over andthat202102:13:25,950 --> 02:13:29,040and give him some flyinglessons. Keep them off of all202202:13:29,040 --> 02:13:33,120two wheel. It's much safer, muchsafer to take flying lessons.202302:13:33,420 --> 02:13:35,730Alright brother Good to have youback man. So happy everything's202402:13:35,730 --> 02:13:38,880okay. And Imola. We'll betalking next week. Have a great202502:13:38,880 --> 02:13:39,330weekend.202602:13:39,660 --> 02:13:40,770Don't miss a safe travels.202702:13:41,070 --> 02:13:45,030Everybody there in podcastdevelopment land. Thank you very202802:13:45,030 --> 02:13:47,070much for attending the boardmeeting. 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