Episode 81: Nodes of Joy

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,760Oh, podcasting 2.0 For April9 2020, to Episode 81 We've got200:00:05,760 --> 00:00:06,960notes of joy.300:00:11,010 --> 00:00:13,620Yeah, I've got a report from thefront lines you see. Hello,400:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,920everybody. Welcome to podcasting2.0. This is the official board500:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,280meeting600:00:18,390 --> 00:00:21,150of podcasting to point out wherewe discuss the podcast700:00:21,150 --> 00:00:24,960standards. We talk abouteverything happening at podcast800:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,020index dot social, and of course,a report from the front lines of900:00:28,020 --> 00:00:31,980the value for value. I'm Adamcurry here in the heart of the1000:00:31,980 --> 00:00:35,130Texas Hill Country and inAlabama, the pope of polars. My1100:00:35,130 --> 00:00:37,500friend on the other end, ladiesand gentlemen, please say hello1200:00:37,500 --> 00:00:44,100to Mr. Dave Jones. The polarcode? Yes. Yeah, you are the1300:00:44,310 --> 00:00:48,270pope of polars. I feel like areal podcaster for the first1400:00:48,270 --> 00:00:51,990time in my life, but Right,right, this very minute. Okay,1500:00:51,990 --> 00:00:56,190let's, let's, let's explore thisfeeling. It's it's really1600:00:56,190 --> 00:00:57,750simple. not complicated at all.1700:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,000I put on pants, like 30 minutesbefore the show started.1800:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,550Now, you know, I mean, you'llyou'll get used to just not even1900:01:08,550 --> 00:01:11,820doing that. I mean, obviously,I'm not wearing my pants because2000:01:11,820 --> 00:01:15,780you know, I'm a veteran veteran.podcaster okay, you're a newbie,2100:01:15,780 --> 00:01:19,080though. I'm glad you have thatfeeling. I really struggled with2200:01:19,080 --> 00:01:19,560it. I was like,2300:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,760in my in my pajamas, or don'twant to actually put on pants.2400:01:24,420 --> 00:01:27,030And the pants worn out. I waslike, you know, I want to feel2500:01:27,030 --> 00:01:31,470like a professional. I'm a fan.We're live. We're live2600:01:31,470 --> 00:01:35,730streaming. And I think it'sstill curio cast are the one2700:01:35,730 --> 00:01:38,730that has all the signalinganyone else implement that?2800:01:38,730 --> 00:01:43,920Yeah. No, that's a problem tome. Like this. Live needs to be2900:01:43,950 --> 00:01:49,050in everything. Everything. Yeah,well, I mean, we're just getting3000:01:49,050 --> 00:01:51,870started. So people need to seethe beauty of it. And of course,3100:01:51,870 --> 00:01:55,500the helipad is live, you want toboost? While we're doing this.3200:01:56,010 --> 00:01:58,950And we are one day late for ourregular board meeting, which is3300:01:58,950 --> 00:02:02,490something I don't like doing atall. People tend to schedule3400:02:02,490 --> 00:02:04,170their lives around podcasts.3500:02:05,250 --> 00:02:11,250Which is no, this is the firstweek that since we've been doing3600:02:11,250 --> 00:02:15,720this show that I've reallywished that we had did it was3700:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,080like twice a week, because therewas so much stuff. I mean, we3800:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,430just got a pile of things here.And I felt like a lot of reading3900:02:23,430 --> 00:02:24,150like a lot of4000:02:25,170 --> 00:02:29,850spec specs and protocols and allthis in proposals and there's4100:02:29,850 --> 00:02:34,350just so much going on this weekand your as your escapades4200:02:34,350 --> 00:02:37,230around know, around the world.Yeah. Like4300:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,950how am i How deep are we? Okay?4400:02:42,510 --> 00:02:48,630How far am I allowed to ask youabout your vacation? Oh, as much4500:02:48,630 --> 00:02:52,650as you open for business, ofcourse. I mean, I don't I don't4600:02:52,650 --> 00:02:56,010want to pre you know, preemptthe no agenda show tomorrow. So4700:02:56,010 --> 00:02:57,390I didn't want to get too deep.4800:02:58,410 --> 00:02:58,680But4900:03:01,380 --> 00:03:02,070please5000:03:03,750 --> 00:03:10,290ask me ask me. I care. I'm readyto tell tales. Number one, on a5100:03:10,320 --> 00:03:17,880on a scale of one to 10 Overall,the C one being a go into the5200:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,130dentist in 10 being like thegreatest vacation you've ever5300:03:23,130 --> 00:03:25,680had. What was what? Write this?5400:03:28,590 --> 00:03:33,360It's it didn't qualify as avacation. I'm more tired now5500:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,980than before I left. I think thatwas my first comment. Like hey,5600:03:37,980 --> 00:03:41,820do you need a vacation? Yes, Ido. I'll just explain briefly5700:03:41,820 --> 00:03:45,120what happened we were supposedto go to Aruba. This was5800:03:46,770 --> 00:03:51,000we wanted to go to an island wewanted it to be you know not too5900:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,810far away. We just wanted to bethe resort just chill out just6000:03:54,810 --> 00:03:57,690be served drinks on the beach.That's basically all we care6100:03:57,690 --> 00:04:02,700about. And we booked everythingwell in advance and you know6200:04:02,700 --> 00:04:06,000Tina had she likes to plan allthe Okay, we're gonna do the6300:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,280dinner on the beach and we'regonna do this and that tequila6400:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,820to not tequila tasting was wrongor whatever. And we'll have this6500:04:11,820 --> 00:04:14,490restaurant and she has alloutfits planned and you know6600:04:14,490 --> 00:04:17,700because we do it once a year wedo a big trip because I have to6700:04:18,030 --> 00:04:22,470do best of shows and it's youknow, we can we travel we can6800:04:22,470 --> 00:04:25,200travel frequently, but you know,then I'm always working. I'm6900:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,650always taking the rig with meI'm always prepping etc. Now7000:04:28,650 --> 00:04:30,900there's the dog's time youdidn't do any of that you didn't7100:04:30,900 --> 00:04:34,620really get or anything No, no, Imean, I Well, I still had to7200:04:34,650 --> 00:04:37,980best of shows that I had toupload you know, gotta gotta do7300:04:37,980 --> 00:04:41,010the RSS feed got to hit the podping got to do the tweaks. But7400:04:41,010 --> 00:04:43,950that's that's okay. And it'slike a half hours worth of work7500:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,910two times during the vacation.But it's just it's more that I7600:04:47,910 --> 00:04:51,510don't have to be payingattention everything the world7700:04:51,510 --> 00:04:54,540will still be there when I getback is you know, so I don't7800:04:54,540 --> 00:04:56,430have to be looking at what'sgoing on.7900:04:57,870 --> 00:04:59,970So we had a we8000:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,780Now we knew that the airportscould be busy knowing that from8100:05:03,780 --> 00:05:07,440our no agenda producers, younever want to book something in8200:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,870the last week of the monthbecause of the shortage of8300:05:09,870 --> 00:05:13,470pilots. When they run out oftheir 100 hours a month, that's8400:05:13,470 --> 00:05:17,670when flights get canceled. Andwe and we saw massive problems,8500:05:17,700 --> 00:05:22,560especially at Austin. Bergstrom,people were abandoning their8600:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,770rental cars. This was a coupledays before we were supposed to8700:05:25,770 --> 00:05:28,380leave and we were gonna leavefrom San Antonio's nicer, nice8800:05:28,380 --> 00:05:31,410airport. ominous sign, by theway, right.8900:05:32,490 --> 00:05:37,020And it was American Airlines. Sowe are just about to get in the9000:05:37,020 --> 00:05:40,710car at 3am. And by the way, soThursday, I did no agenda than9100:05:40,710 --> 00:05:44,310you and I did the board meeting.I slept for a couple hours and9200:05:44,340 --> 00:05:48,510boom, we're in the car. Justgetting into the car flight9300:05:48,510 --> 00:05:52,320canceled. We've rebooked you fortomorrow. So we're already like9400:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,000holy crap, okay. And, andthere's no other routing.9500:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,610There's nothing else to do. Andthen we're supposed to go from9600:05:59,610 --> 00:06:03,480Miami to Miami, Miami to Arubaand they rebooked us for the9700:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,140next day on9800:06:07,140 --> 00:06:07,920Saturday9900:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,780through North Carolina, okay.Okay. So,10000:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,470you know, and but no, of courseI'm up until like six you're10100:06:16,470 --> 00:06:19,530talking to airlines and tryingto figure everything out. So a10200:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,680little tired, but then we get upthe next day. I mean, we're10300:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,150getting up to get in the car atthree 315 Boom flight canceled10400:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,750the flight from North Carolinato Aruba. Don't worry, we'll fly10500:06:30,750 --> 00:06:32,970to North Carolina you stay twonights and then you can still10600:06:32,970 --> 00:06:37,470get to Aruba. And we look ateach other like nah, this is not10700:06:37,470 --> 00:06:41,490gonna happen. And this is adisappointment. So we go we go10800:06:41,490 --> 00:06:44,490back. Now we just like talkingLet's just sleep for a little10900:06:44,490 --> 00:06:47,730bit. And to what what can we do?We just wanted to just want to11000:06:47,730 --> 00:06:51,990beach. Let's just go to Florida.Very difficult to find anything11100:06:51,990 --> 00:06:55,560that was even affordable,strangely enough. So we wind up11200:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,020at a Marriott place in FortLauderdale. I know. It's, it11300:07:01,020 --> 00:07:05,250sounds exactly as what it was.It was hanging hanging out right11400:07:05,250 --> 00:07:08,490there for a second though. Whenyou say hard to find anything11500:07:08,490 --> 00:07:12,660even even affordable. Is thatbecause like that mean? That's11600:07:12,660 --> 00:07:18,750all lack of staff and inflationand as Yes. Well, the prices is11700:07:18,750 --> 00:07:21,600inflation. If you want a11800:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,830like a room that you want tostay in for a few days, a11900:07:25,830 --> 00:07:31,860minimum $800 A Night at any kindof reasonably quality Hotel. Now12000:07:31,890 --> 00:07:34,710you want to go upscale you wantto go four seasons, two and a12100:07:34,710 --> 00:07:38,880half $1,000 A night that's not asweet night. Yep.12200:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,920But but but that wasn't even theprice of that. And I'll tell you12300:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,650we were in the Ritz Carltonwhich is owned by Marriott it's12400:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,850it's yeah, it used to be areally big name it's okay. The12500:07:50,850 --> 00:07:55,080staff that was there wasphenomenal. They actually saved12600:07:55,110 --> 00:08:00,540anything for us. But I mean thethe rooms Weren't they had no12700:08:00,540 --> 00:08:05,520staff they the nothing was cleanthe the pool area was not12800:08:05,580 --> 00:08:08,550nothing was was just dirty.There's cigarette butts12900:08:08,550 --> 00:08:12,030everywhere takes forever to getanybody to even bring you even13000:08:12,030 --> 00:08:15,510ask if you want to drink. Imean, it was it was the longest13100:08:15,510 --> 00:08:21,660four days ever. It was just likeand by the way we so in order to13200:08:21,660 --> 00:08:25,800get there we had to go to Austinstay at the airport Hilton Hotel13300:08:25,890 --> 00:08:31,200to be in line at 4am for the twoand a half hours to get through13400:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,160security because they don't haveany. There's not enough TSA13500:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,460agents they need 100 Extraagents in Austin they can't get13600:08:38,460 --> 00:08:42,900people to work. So this is thecollapse of the system it is13700:08:42,930 --> 00:08:45,870upon us Yeah, this is13800:08:47,340 --> 00:08:49,620this is what I think this iswhat I said to you the other day13900:08:50,130 --> 00:08:53,490lesson learned to do not take avacation during the during the14000:08:53,550 --> 00:08:58,170downfall of civilization. And Ididn't I actually thought and I14100:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,720joked about it said well Ididn't let's go now because I14200:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,270think she's gonna start fallingapart pretty soon and it came14300:09:03,270 --> 00:09:07,350before I even expected it andeveryone's talking about it14400:09:07,650 --> 00:09:12,720everybody like people just don'twant to work and I understand14500:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,230because you know what wound upwound up happening is so we're14600:09:16,230 --> 00:09:19,920kind of like this is sucks andTina to schedule the full day of14700:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,030massage and everything and hesaid why don't you once you call14800:09:24,060 --> 00:09:27,660once you call max and Stacy ifyou can still get on that panel14900:09:28,710 --> 00:09:34,170at the Bitcoin 2022 Which, youknow, they had asked me but I15000:09:34,170 --> 00:09:37,260declined because we're onvacation. I was I was supposed15100:09:37,260 --> 00:09:41,760to go anyway, but I just neededthe break so far already have so15200:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,760we already had tickets likeyeah, we bought tickets last15300:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,210year. Yeah. And I couldn't. Icouldn't go because it's it's15400:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,450right in the heart of crunchtime of Texas. Right. And then15500:09:51,450 --> 00:09:54,900you and then you ended up havinga conflict with your vacation.15600:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,990So we ended up we had thetickets but we couldn't go so15700:09:57,990 --> 00:09:59,970you felt you were like able tofall back15800:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,280Have you already had a ticket?Yes.15900:10:03,419 --> 00:10:07,019And so, Max and Stacy were like,Oh, this is great. We'd love to16000:10:07,019 --> 00:10:09,389Okay, fantastic. We'll take careof you. We'll get you over16100:10:09,389 --> 00:10:09,629there.16200:10:12,480 --> 00:10:19,470As so the panel was bitcoin isfu money. And it was it was16300:10:19,470 --> 00:10:24,030this. This I guess, Boxer who'sfrom Cameroon but I think he16400:10:24,030 --> 00:10:24,840boxes in.16500:10:26,490 --> 00:10:30,030In Vegas. He's a big attract.He's very famous. They're in a16600:10:30,330 --> 00:10:36,060world. His His arm was biggerthan my head. St. Francis, very16700:10:36,060 --> 00:10:39,030nice guy. But he was on crutchesso you could probably easily16800:10:39,060 --> 00:10:44,880easily. Now funny enough DavePortnoy from Barstool Sports. He16900:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,840was supposed to be on the panel.And then me and right before we17000:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,560started,17100:10:50,910 --> 00:10:53,310Portnoy just said, I don't feellike it. And he just he just17200:10:53,490 --> 00:10:57,030said, No, I'm not going to doit. Which was really odd. Oh, so17300:10:57,030 --> 00:11:00,210he was there. He just he was oh,yeah, he's just like, Man, I17400:11:00,210 --> 00:11:03,180want to do it. Now. Well,they're big. They're big podcast17500:11:03,180 --> 00:11:03,690publisher.17600:11:05,730 --> 00:11:08,640Thank you sold Barstool SportsI'm not quite sure I don't know17700:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,750exactly your story.17800:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,160But I don't know I don't knowwhy he Why didn't want to show17900:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,910it. So yeah, there's a there's aYouTube video that people can18000:11:17,940 --> 00:11:21,210can see that but but moreimportant to me and that was18100:11:21,210 --> 00:11:28,170really the reason to go is Roybreeze I was in town and and I18200:11:28,170 --> 00:11:31,320love just sitting down with Royand hanging out with him and18300:11:31,530 --> 00:11:36,270getting the an alternative viewto the world of lightning and18400:11:36,270 --> 00:11:42,180Bitcoin to what I think wetypically hear in like the18500:11:42,270 --> 00:11:48,000venture funded land roll is likehe's like the PhD of Bitcoin.18600:11:48,210 --> 00:11:49,680Like just didn't18700:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,090say lightning. I mean, really,like lightning is so his18800:11:54,090 --> 00:11:57,030wheelhouse and he just knowswhat yet all the players what18900:11:57,030 --> 00:12:02,880everybody's doing. And, but alsothere were I knew that Oscar19000:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,610Mary would be there. So I alsowanted to connect with Oscar so19100:12:05,610 --> 00:12:09,240we could chat about comments andbooster grams, etc.19200:12:10,890 --> 00:12:13,170So but getting it theconference, this is the this is19300:12:13,170 --> 00:12:14,940what I really want everyone toknow.19400:12:16,470 --> 00:12:20,340I would just walk through justfrom what I couldn't walk,19500:12:20,580 --> 00:12:24,540people kept stopping me andsaying, Hey, man, podcasting.19600:12:24,540 --> 00:12:28,9802.0 Which was cool. On one handwas really great. On the other19700:12:28,980 --> 00:12:31,530hand, I wish they were talkingmore about value for value.19800:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,060You know, but just, um, justidentifying what it was. It was19900:12:36,090 --> 00:12:39,540it was so crazy. And I think thereason why people were stopping20000:12:39,540 --> 00:12:43,470me is because I saw you onRogan, right? Sorry on Rogen.20100:12:43,650 --> 00:12:45,030Yeah, you almost orange pilledhim20200:12:49,410 --> 00:12:53,070but, you know, so then I'mhanging out with Roy and and20300:12:53,070 --> 00:12:56,190he's introducing all kinds ofinteresting people like the20400:12:56,190 --> 00:13:02,640block stream people and, andother the guy from Bitcoin beach20500:13:03,090 --> 00:13:04,920and some other people.20600:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,160And Roy will be talking aboutpodcasting. 2.0 And these people20700:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,570didn't even know that I wasinvolved.20800:13:13,620 --> 00:13:17,430Oh, see, which is exact versuswhat I want, you know, different20900:13:17,430 --> 00:13:21,960from last year because last yearwhen nobody knew what podcasting21000:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,8402.0 Last year, okay, here's thedifference. Last year, we stood21100:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,560in line for two hours in theblazing heat. This year, they21200:13:28,560 --> 00:13:33,750gave me a pass and a whalebracelet. Nice. Which is pretty.21300:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,500It's pretty much a emotionaljust put a target on my head.21400:13:37,830 --> 00:13:41,220That's like, hey, kidnap me orshoot me or do whatever you21500:13:41,220 --> 00:13:44,340know, or, Hey, we need any keymanagers on us.21600:13:46,710 --> 00:13:50,160Kidnapping insurance, right?Hate me. I just don't have one21700:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,670that says plebs. I would muchmuch more prefer that ring of21800:13:53,670 --> 00:13:54,960fire. Yeah.21900:13:56,010 --> 00:14:00,660So let me let me first talkabout Oscar.22000:14:01,890 --> 00:14:06,090And I forgotten okay, but let melet me let me ask you one thing22100:14:06,090 --> 00:14:07,590real quick. Yeah. Oscar.22200:14:08,910 --> 00:14:11,040Is he tall or short?22300:14:12,570 --> 00:14:15,180He's about in between you and I.22400:14:16,470 --> 00:14:20,880Okay, all right. Okay, so he'sstandard SAS. He's standard22500:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,650issue. Yes. And I forget his,his business partners name. I22600:14:25,650 --> 00:14:28,620feel like an idiot now. Niceguy.22700:14:30,330 --> 00:14:36,120Nick, Nick. Want to say was justto set the stage here. So22800:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,330actually, let me go back for asecond. So and I'll talk about22900:14:42,330 --> 00:14:45,420what was Roy and I had lunch andwe learned a lot and a lot of23000:14:45,420 --> 00:14:49,140cool shit to discuss. And thenwe went back and I said, Roy,23100:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,170why don't you just come with meand go to the and stay in the23200:14:52,170 --> 00:14:54,600green room. And so you can sitthere there's there's drinks,23300:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,820it's you know, there's good.There's a great TV. You don't23400:14:56,820 --> 00:14:58,950have to sit in the audience tosit back here and watch it all.23500:14:58,950 --> 00:14:59,460It's cool.23600:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,470He's like, fantastic. And thiswas, you know, they had a proper23700:15:04,470 --> 00:15:07,680greenroom. It was a very, verybig venues. And it was23800:15:07,710 --> 00:15:10,860incredible to see all thetechnology they had for video of23900:15:10,860 --> 00:15:15,990every single stage it was, thisthing is big and well done. And24000:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,450so we do the do the panel, andit's 25 minutes and I get off24100:15:21,450 --> 00:15:24,180the stage and there's Roy, let'ssay, What do you think, man? He24200:15:24,180 --> 00:15:28,770said, Well, I saw only the firstfive minutes because then Jack24300:15:28,770 --> 00:15:32,580Mahler's security detail came inand said everybody has to leave24400:15:32,580 --> 00:15:35,250the green room. You can't behere when Jack is here.24500:15:36,570 --> 00:15:42,750Whoa, and I lost my shirt. Ilost my shit. I said Who the24600:15:42,750 --> 00:15:47,490fuck I mean even like especiallyin entertainment show business24700:15:47,490 --> 00:15:52,530world this is not done to greenroom as a safe space for all I24800:15:52,530 --> 00:15:58,110was just like oh my god. I wasthat guy all about like Joe24900:15:58,110 --> 00:16:01,380Rogan has security you don't seehis guys you know it's like I25000:16:01,380 --> 00:16:04,410have dinner with Joe is guystheir buddies in the back25100:16:04,410 --> 00:16:07,290somewhere you know see him andit's just it's none of this25200:16:07,290 --> 00:16:10,110clearing it out or it's likewhat the fuck?25300:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,210That's a little weird. Verydisappointing. Very25400:16:15,210 --> 00:16:15,960disappointing.25500:16:17,220 --> 00:16:19,770You know we were little were alittle worried about that last25600:16:19,770 --> 00:16:23,130year with all you know, he's youknow, with a Lambo and all that25700:16:23,130 --> 00:16:25,740stuff. I mean, like it's there'sa little bit of something going25800:16:25,740 --> 00:16:27,900on there that I don't understandthe only other thing I could I25900:16:27,900 --> 00:16:30,300could think that it is becausehe comes from an incredibly26000:16:30,300 --> 00:16:31,890powerful wealthy26100:16:33,330 --> 00:16:37,680commodities trading family likeChicago Board of exchange and26200:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,870you know, that's he is hisinvolvement and the people and26300:16:42,870 --> 00:16:47,310the company's backing a strikeare not by accident. So it's26400:16:47,310 --> 00:16:51,090possible that this is you know,there are lots of lots of very26500:16:51,090 --> 00:16:55,860wealthy families who act likethis and have security details26600:16:55,860 --> 00:16:59,130that do this stuff because Iknow them so it's possible that26700:16:59,130 --> 00:17:01,350it's not him making thatdecision he just doesn't have a26800:17:01,350 --> 00:17:04,560choice this like this is alwaysright. But I will also say all26900:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,080of the children of thosefamilies that I know that act27000:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,780like that turned out to bedickheads27100:17:11,070 --> 00:17:14,010so he doesn't need to becareful. Doesn't need to be27200:17:14,010 --> 00:17:20,580careful. Anyway, so then we thenwe went to the like the VIP how27300:17:20,580 --> 00:17:23,970man I wish I recorded this therewas a VIP lounge where you know,27400:17:23,970 --> 00:17:28,320speakers lounge, and it wassponsored by some trading27500:17:28,350 --> 00:17:33,690platform that does NF T's andblah blah blah. And then the CEO27600:17:33,690 --> 00:17:36,720comes up to me oh my god, youwould have laughed your ass off27700:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,200at this takes it but what do youguys do? I said no podcasting to27800:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,630point out. Oh, yeah. You know,27900:17:43,830 --> 00:17:46,830Norm Pattice from Westeros mybest guy pockets my best friend28000:17:46,830 --> 00:17:50,220podcast why I do a lot of stuffwith podcasts are so what are28100:17:50,220 --> 00:17:52,980you doing? So we do streamingpayments and Bitcoin and28200:17:52,980 --> 00:17:55,950podcasting? 2.0 Yeah, who'smaking a lot of money with that?28300:17:55,950 --> 00:17:59,130Who did anyone making any money?To? Yeah, me. I just fucking28400:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,520just threw it out there. Likethis guy? Oh, yeah. Well, you28500:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,520know, podcast, too, you know.Um, so what, what do you do28600:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,980then? What do you do? So Well,first of all, I invented it. And28700:18:07,980 --> 00:18:13,230it was me. It doesn't translateyou have to be that I just this28800:18:13,230 --> 00:18:19,680guy was such the epitome of likea venture capital aihole.28900:18:21,000 --> 00:18:21,690Ah.29000:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,800And you're at that point,you're, you're looking at the29100:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,980watch and saying I could havebeen in Aruba right now. I'm,29200:18:29,550 --> 00:18:33,570I'm looking at Roy. Roy's eyesare like, What the hell is going29300:18:33,570 --> 00:18:34,350on here?29400:18:35,490 --> 00:18:37,590So then subsequently,everywhere, Rhode Island said,29500:18:37,620 --> 00:18:39,450Oh, let me hold on to the doorfor you. Because you're29600:18:39,450 --> 00:18:43,140celebrity. Oh, let's go tolunch. But do you need an Uber29700:18:43,140 --> 00:18:45,210XL because you know yourcelebrity.29800:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,940Got a good time. Nice. But then.So I said to Oscar and I just29900:18:50,940 --> 00:18:53,850partisan. Come on up here. Andwe sat down and we chatted great30000:18:53,850 --> 00:18:54,390chat.30100:18:56,610 --> 00:19:01,350Oscars thought thought throughall this. And did Roy and Oscar30200:19:01,350 --> 00:19:04,170get get to chat? Absolutely. Oh,yeah. No, we were we were all30300:19:04,170 --> 00:19:07,830chatting together. Now. It wasgood. It was really good. And of30400:19:07,830 --> 00:19:12,930course, there's going to becrossover there. Because30500:19:12,930 --> 00:19:17,460fountain needs a different aseverybody does, we need30600:19:17,490 --> 00:19:21,900noncustodial wallet solutions.So that we don't have to deal30700:19:21,900 --> 00:19:27,030with. I mean, the way you knowthe way Roy explains it, to me30800:19:27,030 --> 00:19:27,780really,30900:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,250anyone having an app in thestore that has something like31000:19:32,310 --> 00:19:34,920the systems that we have is kindof a fluke.31100:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,200Unless you unless you unless youhave a money transmitter license31200:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,580or some shit like that. So yousent me you sent me an article31300:19:44,610 --> 00:19:48,180that he wrote, is that publicnow? I mean, I said yes. So so31400:19:48,180 --> 00:19:51,060that I mean, that pretty muchoutlines what their plans are31500:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,550well, so Exactly. So there's andalso,31600:19:54,780 --> 00:19:59,970voltage also has a similar type,initiative and product. So okay,31700:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,930But I'd like to explain it fromfrom the from the breeze31800:20:03,930 --> 00:20:09,000perspective. And the link to thearticle is in the show notes.31900:20:09,030 --> 00:20:13,410And what was it called? A newbreeze, multiple apps remote32000:20:13,410 --> 00:20:16,440odes nodes, optimal, optimal UX.32100:20:17,730 --> 00:20:19,260He's got let me write thetitles.32200:20:21,690 --> 00:20:28,710Yeah. So the basically, a breezehas always been a an LSP, a32300:20:28,710 --> 00:20:33,300lightning service provider withthe breeze app, as an example of32400:20:33,300 --> 00:20:38,040what you can do with a companythat manages liquidity manages32500:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,720channels manages the swaps fromon chain and off chain, really a32600:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,380transactional system. So not ahodling type system, but32700:20:46,380 --> 00:20:48,870something that you can usecontinuously. And when you think32800:20:48,870 --> 00:20:54,030about it, for for value forvalue. breezes, a very32900:20:54,030 --> 00:20:57,990interesting onboardingexperience, because you get the33000:20:57,990 --> 00:21:03,300app you can buy right in the appfrom moon. Now, your results may33100:21:03,300 --> 00:21:07,920vary. But you can buy it formoon and it pops right into your33200:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,690wallet as as lightning and goodto go. So the the onboarding is33300:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,340really nice. Now,33400:21:15,510 --> 00:21:19,830there's all kinds of issues withhaving a full node on your33500:21:19,830 --> 00:21:22,410mobile device. And there's lotsof things that just don't work.33600:21:22,410 --> 00:21:25,050And also it makes your phone hotdrains your battery.33700:21:26,100 --> 00:21:29,190And your Android. Android is thefirst one to make jokes about33800:21:29,190 --> 00:21:32,490this. So he's teamed up withblock stream33900:21:33,540 --> 00:21:37,470who do the C lightningimplementation? And well, very34000:21:37,470 --> 00:21:41,400well funded. I have no idea theyhave lots. No, they have lots of34100:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,220money. I think they havesomething like I saw some sort34200:21:44,220 --> 00:21:47,640of investment thing that theyhad few months ago, and it was34300:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,980like $300 million. Isn't theWow, lots of money. Yeah. Ah,34400:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,910when we crap, yeah, they gotthey got big money.34500:21:58,380 --> 00:21:59,100So now,34600:22:00,510 --> 00:22:03,570Roy has teamed with them. AndI'm just going to get kind of34700:22:03,570 --> 00:22:06,120given it in a nutshell, becausethe details you can go really34800:22:06,150 --> 00:22:10,560far down the hall. But the ideais, you do have a cloud based34900:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,280node,35000:22:12,780 --> 00:22:17,940which will be able to receiveany type of payment, including a35100:22:17,970 --> 00:22:23,820key send, even if your mobileclient where you have your keys35200:22:23,850 --> 00:22:27,900is not, in fact, they've alleven devised a way where two35300:22:27,930 --> 00:22:33,540offline. Mobile devices could doa transaction offline. I mean,35400:22:33,540 --> 00:22:36,420it's it's really quiteincredible. The point being that35500:22:36,420 --> 00:22:39,630you can have all thefunctionality of a lightning35600:22:39,630 --> 00:22:42,210service provider with all ofthese35700:22:43,470 --> 00:22:48,330six security and responsibilityof having a self hosted door35800:22:48,390 --> 00:22:50,220noncustodial wallet.35900:22:51,330 --> 00:22:53,850Right. So they're hosting thethey're hosting the36000:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,720infrastructure, but it's notcustodial. Because you have you36100:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,120own the keys correct. Andthere's and there's other things36200:23:00,120 --> 00:23:04,770in the receiving with HTML, CSS,and nodes and then or channels36300:23:04,770 --> 00:23:08,370in the middle that makes thereceiving side just as secure. I36400:23:08,370 --> 00:23:12,540can't really explain it. Butbottom line, what breeds so the36500:23:12,540 --> 00:23:16,380breeze app that we see today hasalways been an example of what36600:23:16,380 --> 00:23:20,460you can do. But Roy's realbusiness is he wants to provide36700:23:20,880 --> 00:23:27,690an API for basically the Gmailof wallets without without the36800:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,040you know, the the lock in thespying, etc. But it should be as36900:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,270easy as saying, I want a wallet,there's your wallet. And then37000:23:36,330 --> 00:23:39,240you're good to go. Basically,everything else is taken care37100:23:39,240 --> 00:23:39,480of.37200:23:40,500 --> 00:23:43,290From what I understand it willcost you nothing, of course just37300:23:43,290 --> 00:23:47,610like breeze the app now, you payin fees, like the way it should37400:23:47,610 --> 00:23:50,760be the way services are supposedto work.37500:23:52,110 --> 00:23:57,270And you know, so this will be wecan spin this up for almost37600:23:57,270 --> 00:23:57,870anything.37700:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,690Interesting. That's a reallythat's a really cool idea. Yeah.37800:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,880Now, is this all based on? Thisis based on? Is this based on37900:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,720watch towers? Or is this thewhat it's called Greenlight?38000:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,880Which is a product that38100:24:16,500 --> 00:24:22,680the block stream has. And it's,I think, yes, there's some38200:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,480Watchtower stuff in there, but38300:24:26,250 --> 00:24:31,620I can't answer the question. Ireally can't. It. You know, we38400:24:31,620 --> 00:24:34,170need to get Roy on to explain itwhen he's when he's ready to38500:24:34,170 --> 00:24:37,740explain it. What's what's there?Did he have a timeline yet? Or38600:24:37,740 --> 00:24:41,100is it just well, when when hefirst told us about it, because38700:24:41,100 --> 00:24:45,510we have known that this wascoming? He said six months? So38800:24:45,510 --> 00:24:46,920I'd say six months.38900:24:48,660 --> 00:24:53,550We're still six months out. Nowvoltage, who we currently use39000:24:53,550 --> 00:24:57,060for our for our index node and Ihave other nodes there and lots39100:24:57,060 --> 00:24:59,970of people are using it too. Sothey are also39200:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,290Going now voltage looks like,from what I'm seeing there will39300:25:04,290 --> 00:25:07,320also be a lightning serviceprovider, but seems more like on39400:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,700an industrial scale just fromthe release. I mean, holy crap,39500:25:11,700 --> 00:25:16,110the amount of stuff that thatwill be done with voltage. I39600:25:16,110 --> 00:25:20,490mean, it was I, did you get tomeet? Do you get to meet up with39700:25:20,490 --> 00:25:24,180the grandmas? Oh, no, no,because I really wanted to be in39800:25:24,180 --> 00:25:27,420and go out. And I thought Tinawould have her day of massage39900:25:27,420 --> 00:25:30,000and then by the pool, and ofcourse, it was thunder and40000:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,890lightning in Fort Lauderdale.40100:25:33,150 --> 00:25:37,680She was in the room, which islike, I gotta go, I gotta go40200:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,740back. I gotta go be with mygirl, because she was doing40300:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,630filter videos on on Instagram.That's you gotta go save the40400:25:45,630 --> 00:25:46,800woman once that's happening.40500:25:47,820 --> 00:25:48,990Oh, my God, something's wrong.40600:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,630She's40700:25:54,090 --> 00:25:59,160sorry, she sent me this, thiscomp collage of her with no big40800:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,990lips and exaggerated eyelashesand like, Oh, my God, my wife is40900:26:03,990 --> 00:26:06,900in trouble. I have to. Iactually said to Roy, I gotta41000:26:06,900 --> 00:26:07,680go, man, I gotta41100:26:08,820 --> 00:26:10,290get the intervention. So I'mterrible.41200:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,690So I'm really excited aboutthat, because that fixes so many41300:26:15,690 --> 00:26:20,850problems for for apps. And forpodcasters. I mean, imagine,41400:26:21,270 --> 00:26:26,100just, hey, podcaster wallet.com,you ready to go just hit the41500:26:26,100 --> 00:26:28,800button, and we spin one up foryou. You know, here's different41600:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,020versions, you know, here's a, anall of the as, as I said, all of41700:26:34,020 --> 00:26:38,070this channel balancing all ofthat shit is going to go away.41800:26:38,700 --> 00:26:42,480Unless you really want to do it,that's fine. We'll see that41900:26:42,510 --> 00:26:45,690we'll that's the sign of a good.That's a sign of a technology.42000:26:45,690 --> 00:26:49,770That's that's the thing youwant. So it is a thing where you42100:26:49,770 --> 00:26:54,450can you can aggregate it into anindustrial type product and say,42200:26:54,450 --> 00:26:57,930Okay, here's we're going toprovide this as a service to42300:26:58,530 --> 00:27:02,640many people in a sort of semihosted way or semi custodial42400:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,640way, is not add on ease thatworks nicely with custodial.42500:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,400It's non custodial. But it's,it's it's custodial42600:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,270infrastructure. Withoutcustodial ownership. Buyers,42700:27:12,270 --> 00:27:13,470yes. Obviously,42800:27:14,490 --> 00:27:18,660just like my Umbral node, whichdecided to ship the bed while I42900:27:18,660 --> 00:27:22,080was in Florida, you know, Iwasn't able to access it. So I43000:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,340lost three days of payments andbooths on this particular node43100:27:27,060 --> 00:27:30,030that can happen in any cloudinfrastructure to although it's43200:27:30,030 --> 00:27:33,270more likely, it'll get fixed,yeah, it'll get fixed. So that's43300:27:33,270 --> 00:27:36,180kind of the beauty, the beautyof it. And it's not just if43400:27:36,180 --> 00:27:39,270something is up or down. It'sthe liquidity and the management43500:27:39,270 --> 00:27:42,690of it. That's, that's what weargue about most. And the most,43600:27:42,690 --> 00:27:45,540the biggest problem is mychannel, this and that, and the43700:27:45,540 --> 00:27:48,660tour and whatever. Well, I'vebeen here and I've been I've43800:27:48,660 --> 00:27:53,340been helping, I helped threepeople in Macedon DNS this week,43900:27:54,150 --> 00:28:00,450with on bra line, liquiditychannels, all of these things. I44000:28:00,450 --> 00:28:04,350mean, it's sort of like aconstant background noise of, of44100:28:04,350 --> 00:28:07,140the podcasting 2.0 project istrying to make sure all this44200:28:07,140 --> 00:28:10,500stuff gets managed properly. Andthe end the promise, I think44300:28:10,500 --> 00:28:14,130this is the breeze promise,which I like a lot is, at any44400:28:14,130 --> 00:28:17,490moment, if you want, you cantake your whole kit and caboodle44500:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,870and migrate it right over toyour own home setup. See, that's44600:28:21,870 --> 00:28:26,400killer. Yeah, that's killer. Ifyou know, yeah, that's what I'm44700:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,550saying. Or if this is the signof a technology that meets all44800:28:29,550 --> 00:28:32,580your criteria, because you canrun it at scale, and make it44900:28:32,610 --> 00:28:36,090super easy. But then if you wantit, but if you want to bail out45000:28:36,090 --> 00:28:39,360and do it yourself all in anumbrella on a Raspberry Pi and45100:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,110your home, you can do that, too.I want you you have to have both45200:28:43,110 --> 00:28:44,820because if you're you know a45300:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,880podcaster in the US and part ofthe world is going to be at odds45400:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,650on you all the time. Youprobably want to run that thing45500:28:52,650 --> 00:28:56,400and you know yourself. Yeah, butin because you voted but if you45600:28:56,430 --> 00:28:59,490if you're in a more openculture, then you can run it and45700:28:59,490 --> 00:29:02,760have it easier. I don't know. Ilike this. I like the word the45800:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,660direction this is all going. Ifeel really really bullish about45900:29:06,660 --> 00:29:09,180it. And there were a lot oflightning announcements, you46000:29:09,180 --> 00:29:11,970know, all kinds of magic thingswill happen. You know, you pay46100:29:11,970 --> 00:29:15,990for your burger with lightningand lots Now what was46200:29:15,990 --> 00:29:16,860interesting.46300:29:18,450 --> 00:29:20,820Was this announcement fromlightning labs.46400:29:21,870 --> 00:29:25,290Who Yeah, who I think signed a46500:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,680slavery contract.46600:29:29,730 --> 00:29:32,190Oh, no. Yeah, well, they it wasa $70 million46700:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,760Series B. And they raised thismoney and the money is intended46800:29:38,760 --> 00:29:45,300for them to bring this Tarotproduct to the market. And Tarot46900:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,010I forget what the acronym standsfor.47000:29:48,630 --> 00:29:54,240will enable the LightningNetwork to use stable coins47100:29:54,810 --> 00:29:57,240while settling in Bitcoin?47200:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,490The Tarot is it's got somethingto do with tap root. Yeah, I got47300:30:05,490 --> 00:30:07,860it here in the show notes to47400:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,900Tarot is calling us Tarot stablecoin protocol. Yes, the taproot47500:30:15,900 --> 00:30:20,550asset representation overlay,it's NF t's on lightning is what47600:30:20,550 --> 00:30:24,270it is. Yes. Thank you. Well,it's funny because when I said47700:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,600to Roy, isn't this just about NFT's? He said, No, no, no, not47800:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,160necessarily. But you know, it's,we don't know exactly what47900:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,710stable coin is intended, or theyintend to use. And I just did48000:30:37,710 --> 00:30:41,580what I always do. And I just golook at who where's this money48100:30:41,580 --> 00:30:45,120coming from? And I just wantedto share that. I wanted to share48200:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,350that for a moment. So this isfrom the48300:30:51,330 --> 00:30:54,900valor equity partners was thelead on this on this round.48400:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,850Now, again, they have a very,they have a big portfolio of all48500:30:59,850 --> 00:31:03,060kinds, they do food, you know,like food technology, all kinds48600:31:03,060 --> 00:31:04,200of stuff I'm against.48700:31:05,610 --> 00:31:10,740But yeah, I just want to readthe, the bio of Constantine48800:31:10,740 --> 00:31:14,580Saab, who is the ManagingDirector and Chief Technology48900:31:14,610 --> 00:31:19,530Officer, which I think would bea I think that's a major player,49000:31:19,530 --> 00:31:24,630wouldn't you agree? I agree.Yes. Until November 2018. Acosta49100:31:24,630 --> 00:31:27,570held number leadership positionsat the Central Intelligence49200:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,100Agency, including Chief StrategyOfficer member of CIA's49300:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,820corporate board Acting AssistantDirector, Center, Chief of49400:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,390Operations and other seniorexecutive and operations49500:31:39,390 --> 00:31:44,430positions, Black Ops, prior tojoining the CIA in early 2001.49600:31:44,610 --> 00:31:48,330Hello 911. Kosta was aconsultant and entrepreneur in49700:31:48,330 --> 00:31:52,710the management consulting andtechnology space. This is a49800:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,120major spook.49900:31:55,140 --> 00:32:00,450This is not this is not a smallspook. This is a major book. Did50000:32:00,450 --> 00:32:04,290you say that he is the ChiefStrategy Officer of CES Chief50100:32:04,290 --> 00:32:08,790Strategy Officer member of theCIA's corporate board in Q tel.50200:32:09,300 --> 00:32:13,620Acting Assistant Director,acting assistant director of CIA50300:32:13,740 --> 00:32:20,430and Center Chief of OperationsHey gang, now you you have a50400:32:20,790 --> 00:32:25,290people need to understand thisthat you have you have standing50500:32:25,380 --> 00:32:29,760in this area to intelligence,intelligence analysis my entire50600:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,600my entire family. My entirefamily is either CIA or50700:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,010military. Yeah, so you can spyyou anytime there's spot to50800:32:38,010 --> 00:32:42,570spook you win. Oh, hold on asecond. I should have I should50900:32:42,570 --> 00:32:43,530have had this one ready.51000:32:45,450 --> 00:32:48,330I guess most people have heardthis one before our spot the51100:32:48,330 --> 00:32:49,380spook here it is.51200:32:50,730 --> 00:32:58,110A spa the spook spot to spookeverybody wants to spoon.51300:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,920Yeah, yeah, you win. I mean, itwhen when it comes to spot51400:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,650dispute, you always win. So youhave standing in this area, but51500:33:07,650 --> 00:33:11,280you know, it's is the LightningNetwork is that now? You know,51600:33:11,310 --> 00:33:14,370it's the CIA now embedding withtheir stable coin.51700:33:16,830 --> 00:33:20,160This is my question. Maybe? Idon't know. I mean, it could51800:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,360just be coincidence.51900:33:22,890 --> 00:33:27,300I love my family to you know, Ihave no hate. I have no hate for52000:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,390CIA. It's just you know, it'slike something that the press52100:33:30,390 --> 00:33:34,080might want to pick up on. Theother investors bait, Bailey52200:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,880Gifford. Yeah.52300:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,490Pretty interesting. Arsenal hereas well. Yeah, this is this is52400:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,830big. This is big money. And Idon't know. I don't know what to52500:33:46,830 --> 00:33:50,220think about it. But I hope itdoesn't take them off the ball52600:33:50,220 --> 00:33:54,180and bail and to where they justlike, you know? Well, I do. I52700:33:54,180 --> 00:33:56,940hope that I don't I don't reallyknow, I don't know that I care52800:33:56,940 --> 00:33:59,910that much. Because if you have,if you have an open52900:33:59,910 --> 00:34:02,340implementation mean, thelightning protocol now exists,53000:34:02,370 --> 00:34:05,850and you can see anything andwhat I think what I think we're53100:34:05,850 --> 00:34:08,700seeing, what I think we'reseeing happening is lightning53200:34:08,730 --> 00:34:14,760Labs is probably honing theirdevelopment more towards finance53300:34:16,050 --> 00:34:20,520users. And yeah, I mean,obviously just big finance,53400:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,120maybe maybe the NF T's I don'tknow, according to Roy the spec,53500:34:24,450 --> 00:34:29,610he says the spec is genius, tothe way it was written. And so53600:34:29,610 --> 00:34:34,470he's, he doesn't hate it. Roydoesn't, but Roy said Roy53700:34:34,470 --> 00:34:38,010worries about liquidity. Sowhere what is the liquidity of53800:34:38,010 --> 00:34:39,780the Lightning Network going tobe? Is that just going to be53900:34:39,780 --> 00:34:43,740stable coins? No, no one reallyknows how this whole rollout and54000:34:43,740 --> 00:34:45,990I don't think it's we'reanywhere near this rolling out54100:34:45,990 --> 00:34:50,220at all. But when you get $70million, and it's intended to54200:34:50,220 --> 00:34:52,440bring this to market, you'regoing to be focused on that.54300:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,310That's just it. You have toYeah, Where's where's the see54400:34:56,310 --> 00:34:56,940lightning?54500:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,970Seems like they're more into54600:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,480said in what we're doing, and inthat LDK to that to know that54700:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,830the block thing? Yeah, I've notmany people talking to me about,54800:35:11,130 --> 00:35:13,260about blocking their and theirLDK?54900:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,340I don't know much about that.It's available, though. So it's55000:35:17,340 --> 00:35:20,520not it's not. I mean, I guesswhat I'm saying is it's not just55100:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,550lnd. Now, I mean, there areother Yeah. Oh, yeah, no,55200:35:23,550 --> 00:35:27,480there's other implementations.Right. So I mean, it was55300:35:27,510 --> 00:35:29,730overall, just incredibly55400:35:31,770 --> 00:35:35,670exciting to hear that this isall coming. And you know, we55500:35:35,670 --> 00:35:38,370knew it. It's just I think it'shappening very fast. So that's55600:35:38,370 --> 00:35:42,510fantastic. And it's going toreally open up a lot. I mean, my55700:35:42,540 --> 00:35:47,280head is spinning with ideas thatwhat we can do with with, you55800:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,670know, really with our scriptablebroadcast money. I mean, there's55900:35:50,670 --> 00:35:53,460just so many cool things we canstart to do now. And56000:35:54,990 --> 00:35:59,340I would like I mean, I can go, Ican come up with ideas forever.56100:35:59,370 --> 00:36:00,540I don't want to do it right now.56200:36:02,970 --> 00:36:05,310Let's talk about some podcastingstuff. Well, let me tell you56300:36:05,310 --> 00:36:08,820about the conversation withOscar. Oh, yeah. Yes. The pod.56400:36:08,820 --> 00:36:13,200Yeah. That'd be the podcastingstuff. Of this, of this visit,56500:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,830of this flavor of this. Yes. Sowhat, what Oscar proposed and56600:36:19,830 --> 00:36:22,170what I think is fantastic. Hesaid, Okay, we're going to56700:36:22,230 --> 00:36:26,610change comments to boosts. And56800:36:28,260 --> 00:36:32,940we'll see if we can get avisibility flag in the value56900:36:32,940 --> 00:36:39,930block in the value tag, whichwould by default, be no or off,57000:36:41,220 --> 00:36:46,230then I think we've pretty muchsolved the issue. Okay.57100:36:47,490 --> 00:36:51,720Now, he wants to keep the thebooster grams57200:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,950threaded for now the way theyare. But he recognizes that this57300:36:58,950 --> 00:37:03,180is not a you know, this is not away forward because there's no57400:37:03,180 --> 00:37:06,990feedback to you know, heli paddoesn't understand when57500:37:06,990 --> 00:37:12,240something comes in, etc. So thatthat's stuff that maybe we'll57600:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,690just shake out as we start toimplement real comments. I don't57700:37:15,690 --> 00:37:19,890know. I mean, I there's, ingeneral, I love the idea of57800:37:19,890 --> 00:37:23,010doing much, much more withbooster grams and making it two57900:37:23,010 --> 00:37:27,630way etc. I think the mostimportant thing is just to a not58000:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,630call it lightning comments, Ithink we all agree that that's58100:37:30,630 --> 00:37:33,960not a good idea. And to actuallynot call it comments at all, but58200:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,100booster grams, and in thisparticular implementation and58300:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,420fountain, they, they you cansurface them. But that doesn't58400:37:42,420 --> 00:37:45,390need to be and he agrees thatthat's podcaster preference.58500:37:46,620 --> 00:37:50,070So I don't know how we go backand and fix that tag if everyone58600:37:50,070 --> 00:37:53,340agrees, if that's if there's abetter way of doing it. But that58700:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,460that's kind of what wediscussed. I think it's I don't58800:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,330think it's a hard fix. No, it'snot it's more of a it's an58900:38:00,330 --> 00:38:03,240evolution. It's not a we canjust because anytime you59000:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,210introduce a new attribute,that's not a big deal, because59100:38:06,210 --> 00:38:09,870you just default it to the wayit was without the attribute.59200:38:10,050 --> 00:38:14,850And then you're done. Okay, thedefault is no. And if the59300:38:14,850 --> 00:38:18,750attribute doesn't exist, weassume no. And just incremental.59400:38:18,750 --> 00:38:23,460Yeah. Okay, that's, of course,da. It's not a, it's not a59500:38:23,460 --> 00:38:25,290problem at all. We can do indepth what we can do that in59600:38:25,290 --> 00:38:25,980Phase Five.59700:38:28,020 --> 00:38:30,510Make a note of that early. Sothat59800:38:31,620 --> 00:38:35,340Yeah, I mean, and it was, it wasgreat. It was nice to meet him59900:38:35,340 --> 00:38:39,480in person. And, and yeah, weboth agree that we everyone had60000:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,720gotten a little heated and alittle. Everyone had gotten over60100:38:42,720 --> 00:38:46,890their skis in one way toincluding me. So it was it was,60200:38:47,370 --> 00:38:51,060it was a really beautifulmoment, because it was something60300:38:51,060 --> 00:38:53,730that rarely happens, as youexplained or expressed in the60400:38:53,730 --> 00:38:56,850previous episode. Typically,these things you know, people60500:38:56,850 --> 00:38:59,940get pissed off, there's a fork,you know, shit fails, there's60600:38:59,940 --> 00:39:03,360Yeah, you know, there's familiesfall apart, divorces, all kinds60700:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,160of things happen. And then andit got resolved is beautiful.60800:39:09,150 --> 00:39:13,350And I think and I think, I thinkthis is because of the actual60900:39:13,410 --> 00:39:17,790speech part of what we're doing.Because everybody was able to61000:39:17,790 --> 00:39:22,950talk we were able to talk aboutit on on, on this podcast, you61100:39:22,950 --> 00:39:26,850know, just the open dialogue, noone being in charge of who can61200:39:26,850 --> 00:39:29,190say what I think made this work.61300:39:30,630 --> 00:39:36,630The being a, having that ashaving open free, free speech61400:39:36,870 --> 00:39:41,190idea as just one of your coreprinciples and a project means61500:39:41,190 --> 00:39:46,140that people have to suck it up.And you have to say, Okay, if if61600:39:46,140 --> 00:39:48,960you can, if one of your coreprinciples is you don't silence61700:39:49,020 --> 00:39:52,410other people's, you know, speechwell then when people say things61800:39:52,410 --> 00:39:56,190you don't like you just got toput your big boy pants on and so61900:39:57,270 --> 00:39:59,970it's finalizing the the62000:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,620A Bitcoin 2022. I think I made Ithink I did a pretty damn good62100:40:04,620 --> 00:40:09,300of promoting what we're doing onstage. Yes, you did. That was62200:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,570good. Yeah, it was good. And Iand I will say that I promoted62300:40:12,570 --> 00:40:15,870Bri specifically, because Iwanted to see62400:40:17,070 --> 00:40:19,860what the response would be. AndRoy said that definitely, there62500:40:19,860 --> 00:40:22,770were more downloads, but also,of course, a new podcast62600:40:22,770 --> 00:40:23,460apps.com62700:40:24,690 --> 00:40:27,270and podcaster wallet.com aswell.62800:40:30,990 --> 00:40:35,670PLSS I wouldn't say that I'veseen an increase in Oh, no, it62900:40:35,670 --> 00:40:39,510was an activity, but isn't, isabout normal. I'm curious if63000:40:39,510 --> 00:40:42,360anyone else saw any, anyactivity, but most important,63100:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,590that message I have is63200:40:45,030 --> 00:40:50,250the value for value part of of,of the namespace and, and kind63300:40:50,250 --> 00:40:53,700of what falls under podcasting.2.0 which is a project you know,63400:40:53,700 --> 00:40:56,730pod paying is a part of thatnamespace, which we'll talk63500:40:56,730 --> 00:40:59,370about in a second. No matterwhat it is.63600:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,390And you may not be big into intoBitcoin or value for value. Just63700:41:06,390 --> 00:41:10,740keep your eyes open, because itis bringing people in. I mean,63800:41:10,740 --> 00:41:13,500this is what I saw people like,oh, shit, oh, yeah, podcast.63900:41:13,500 --> 00:41:18,2702.0. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They've allheard about it. And it's, it is64000:41:18,270 --> 00:41:22,350onboarding people. So if that'sa hook to get people to enjoy64100:41:22,380 --> 00:41:25,320other things, you know, that'sworth considering?64200:41:26,820 --> 00:41:30,360Well, I mean, listening to podland the other day, and64300:41:31,410 --> 00:41:34,650jam in, and I actually writtenthis down, James made a comment.64400:41:35,370 --> 00:41:38,460He's talking about YouTube, buthe said anything is, quote,64500:41:38,460 --> 00:41:41,460anything that has the capabilityof growing, the medium is a good64600:41:41,460 --> 00:41:45,660thing, and nothing, unquote. AndI think this absolutely64700:41:45,660 --> 00:41:50,250qualifies as growing the medium.You know, when you bring in when64800:41:50,250 --> 00:41:55,560you bring in new, new people,especially people and witnesses64900:41:55,590 --> 00:41:59,640that are willing to support thepodcasters that they listen to,65000:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,760well, that's even better. Imean, like, you know, these are,65100:42:03,060 --> 00:42:06,090I don't want to, say payingcustomers, but I mean, people65200:42:06,630 --> 00:42:10,860that would rather describe it aspeople who are willing to, to65300:42:10,860 --> 00:42:13,980put their money up to supportthe people that they listen to,65400:42:13,980 --> 00:42:17,550so that those things don't goaway. Now, I too, listen to pod65500:42:17,550 --> 00:42:20,130land, and I'm thinking ofbreaking up with POD land.65600:42:20,610 --> 00:42:26,040Because now they scoff scoff atme. scoff at me when I say that?65700:42:26,070 --> 00:42:30,000I just disagree with thediscoverability. And instead of65800:42:30,030 --> 00:42:31,710getting a counter argument I get65900:42:33,660 --> 00:42:36,720when I disagree with that, too,yeah, what am I actually gonna66000:42:37,410 --> 00:42:40,230I've got a blog post in the worduse all that stuff that I ripped66100:42:40,230 --> 00:42:43,170out of the last blog post butyes, there's gonna be another66200:42:45,270 --> 00:42:48,000asset that article to you andyou're in a It was literally66300:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,840like, 5000 words, it was like aGlenn Greenwald order. That was66400:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,480exactly what I didn't want tosay it to you. But I was like,66500:42:54,540 --> 00:42:58,140man, you gotta change the title,shorten it up. I can handle it.66600:42:58,170 --> 00:43:01,410That's Watson, this wasn't inyour head. So I ripped all of66700:43:01,410 --> 00:43:04,200that stuff out. That's going tobe the next. And the only and66800:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,750the and what I think people aremissing66900:43:08,070 --> 00:43:14,160is, I just disagree with lettinga company like alphabet or67000:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,990YouTube, Google, own youraudience. And I just I67100:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,740fundamentally disagree. And Iknow the problem from experience67200:43:23,010 --> 00:43:27,420is all of a sudden your audiencestarts to congeal somewhere and67300:43:27,420 --> 00:43:30,480you have no control over. Itcould be, you know, on on67400:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,190Twitter, it can be on Facebook,it can be on YouTube, it can be67500:43:35,190 --> 00:43:39,210anywhere, but you don't reallycontrol it. And you know, that's67600:43:39,390 --> 00:43:44,790it always ends sad. Well,everybody got, I mean, everybody67700:43:44,790 --> 00:43:48,030has been pissed off in someshape, form or fashion, again,67800:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,800at Spotify over the last threeto five years. Since they got67900:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,300into this and in for one thingor another. Wait until YouTube68000:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,660can I'm talking about people inthe independent open podcasting68100:44:00,660 --> 00:44:03,750ecosystem. Wait till YouTubereally decides to get into this68200:44:03,750 --> 00:44:09,180game. And you will see what realGoogle doesn't play. If they68300:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,580did. If they put the ISR on onyour industry. They can crush it68400:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,760if they want to. Here's theproblem I have with all this.68500:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,320And this does come fromlistening to pod land. I hear68600:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,310the industry is doing great.Everything is up. Everyone's68700:44:26,310 --> 00:44:32,070revenue is increasing. 40 50%It's fantastic. This is going so68800:44:32,070 --> 00:44:35,970well. YouTube's gonna get intothis. There's a billion dollar68900:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,670industry. How is it that everysingle one of these companies is69000:44:41,670 --> 00:44:46,140losing money? Yeah, a caseloadslike $30 million, or something69100:44:46,140 --> 00:44:51,540like that. Yeah, I agree whythey're losing money. And of69200:44:51,540 --> 00:44:54,480course, the answer is, well,they're investing in podcasting.69300:44:54,540 --> 00:44:58,380How how do you need if there's abillion dollars in the69400:44:58,380 --> 00:44:59,340marketplace?69500:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,880billion dollars, and you havethe big podcasters? How come69600:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,790you're not attracting thatmoney? Is it really a billion69700:45:08,790 --> 00:45:13,080dollars? where's that going to?Is it split with radio ads69800:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,420somehow? And it's beingattributed a little? I don't69900:45:15,420 --> 00:45:20,130know. But this feels wrong. Andif you have a mature, a very70000:45:20,130 --> 00:45:22,350mature marketplace of content,70100:45:23,370 --> 00:45:28,380and what do you need to investin? Then you're pricing it70200:45:28,380 --> 00:45:33,390wrong. If if you are paying moreto your podcast that you're70300:45:33,390 --> 00:45:37,410acquiring, then you can make offof them. What is this? How long70400:45:37,410 --> 00:45:41,820do you have to wait before thenetwork effect kicks in? And I70500:45:41,820 --> 00:45:44,580just come back to what I'vesaid, since I tried it myself.70600:45:44,580 --> 00:45:49,020You cannot monetize the network.And now we see these groups70700:45:49,020 --> 00:45:52,530within Spotify that they'regoing to go on strike.70800:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,650And it's all because there'sgonna be fun to watch because70900:45:55,650 --> 00:45:58,170they're pissed off because Oh,we didn't get the ads. You know,71000:45:58,170 --> 00:46:01,440we got the wrong ads. You forcedus to read this. We don't get71100:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,820any promotion. The CEO hates us.I've been through this. It does71200:46:05,820 --> 00:46:08,700not work is at least I haven'tseen it work. I couldn't make it71300:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,400work. Well, cotton gin in thechat says well, and then they71400:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,580abandon it. Okay. Speaking aboutYes, Google. Yes. Basically two71500:46:14,580 --> 00:46:19,830abandoned things. But my mypoint is that the the danger of71600:46:19,830 --> 00:46:22,980YouTube getting into podcastingis not that they abandon it. The71700:46:22,980 --> 00:46:26,910danger of YouTube getting intopodcasting, is that they laser71800:46:26,910 --> 00:46:32,940focus on it. And at that point,it could, it could really, they71900:46:32,940 --> 00:46:37,320already have such a dominantposition in media, they really72000:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,390could, if they wanted to72100:46:40,530 --> 00:46:44,910damage, do major damage to theopen podcasting ecosystem, they72200:46:44,910 --> 00:46:51,300could suck out so many creatorsinto exclusive deals. Even at a72300:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,930loss. Yeah, but at a huge waymore than Spotify can. So there72400:46:54,930 --> 00:46:59,070it is, this is why they willgive up on it. If they ever72500:46:59,070 --> 00:47:01,200really implemented this.72600:47:02,310 --> 00:47:04,530It would have to be an ego play.72700:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,210For them, for them to really doit, because they will not make72800:47:09,210 --> 00:47:16,380money. This YouTube makes moneyon cat videos and and children72900:47:16,380 --> 00:47:22,200children videos, you know, andunboxing. It's it's not a73000:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,190Crowder and, you know, and thebig podcasts, it's just not,73100:47:26,310 --> 00:47:30,060that's not important for them.It's all it's the hundreds of73200:47:30,060 --> 00:47:35,190millions of daily views of dumbshit. That's where they make73300:47:35,190 --> 00:47:38,880their money. They're not then ifthey're not going to pay for73400:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,440podcasts, I just I do notbelieve it. I mean, maybe those73500:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,830Oh, we'll get and theadvertisers don't want to73600:47:46,860 --> 00:47:50,760advertise on this shit. Well,that's the point. It's not brand73700:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,050safe. But they have there, thereis one ego play that could come73800:47:55,050 --> 00:48:00,030into effect. And that is thatYouTube also has a competitor to73900:48:00,030 --> 00:48:04,980Spotify, YouTube music. And ifthey wanted to just if they74000:48:04,980 --> 00:48:10,560wanted to take Spotify as levelof pain, and just turn it up two74100:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,790or three notches, they could tryto do this in an ego play where74200:48:14,790 --> 00:48:17,670they say, okay, they're alreadyoverextended and hurting from74300:48:17,670 --> 00:48:20,940there in podcasting investments.Let's just crank that up another74400:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,940couple of notches and see howlong they last on as a company.74500:48:24,300 --> 00:48:27,240I mean that that's apossibility. And then YouTube74600:48:27,240 --> 00:48:31,260music is a viable alternative atthis point, we're going in,74700:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,910okay, again, that would be onlyto crush them, which happens in74800:48:35,910 --> 00:48:39,510Silicon Valley. There's a reasonwhy no one has been able to74900:48:39,540 --> 00:48:43,020really do podcastingsuccessfully. Because it's,75000:48:43,050 --> 00:48:48,480it's, it's not possible with theadvertising model. It's just not75100:48:48,690 --> 00:48:51,900I mean, I people will disagreewith me. And I'll just keep75200:48:51,900 --> 00:48:53,640saying the same thing over andover again.75300:48:54,720 --> 00:49:00,690Podcasts the creative part ofthem are just not advertiser75400:49:00,690 --> 00:49:04,590evil. This is why the industryfocuses on75500:49:06,540 --> 00:49:11,280these well funded contentcompanies that create no brand75600:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,220safe content that is known inadvance and they had a big75700:49:14,220 --> 00:49:18,030budget behind it so you can presell it and do a what do they75800:49:18,030 --> 00:49:20,700call that in the advertising Iforgot the75900:49:21,990 --> 00:49:26,820the preview crap as a no no, no,no, no, no no it's when when you76000:49:26,820 --> 00:49:31,110show the new programming to allcome on chat row. Yeah, the the76100:49:31,110 --> 00:49:34,710upfront Yeah, when you do theupfront and all this and the76200:49:34,710 --> 00:49:38,280upfront is not like you like ifyou want to say Oh, this is the76300:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,240upper This is the show, and it'spodcasting 2.0 and just it's76400:49:42,240 --> 00:49:45,120great just trust us by now sowell what's the content gonna76500:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,690be? Yeah, and then you have ademo on this Okay, was it gonna76600:49:48,690 --> 00:49:51,420be like this every week and theymay go back and listen to it76700:49:51,420 --> 00:49:53,730will you the Adam says fuck alot. We don't want to advertise76800:49:53,730 --> 00:49:57,570on that. Hit me up. So it's,it's the antithesis76900:49:58,890 --> 00:50:00,000of what podcasting77000:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,960is I know because I've done it.The advertising is the problem.77100:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,600And I and I just don'tunderstand where the $1 billion77200:50:06,990 --> 00:50:10,170is going if everybody's losingmoney, including hosting77300:50:10,170 --> 00:50:16,890companies. Some. So, yeah, yeah.And then, and then this was the77400:50:16,890 --> 00:50:24,480funniest thing. Spotify hassuspended service to Russian77500:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,320customers.77600:50:27,060 --> 00:50:29,010Alright, so there you go.There's your there's your free77700:50:29,010 --> 00:50:32,820and open podcast ecosystem ifyou've, if you've built up an77800:50:32,820 --> 00:50:37,290audience of people listening onon Spotify, it's Russia today.77900:50:37,350 --> 00:50:40,770Well, who says it isn't Alabamatomorrow? Hey, Alabama has been78000:50:40,770 --> 00:50:45,510shitty. Turn them off. What madeit as if all As if I'll read78100:50:45,510 --> 00:50:48,780this, this goes back if you'venever read the book, there's an78200:50:48,780 --> 00:50:53,580old book from the revisionisthistorians base. So post World78300:50:53,580 --> 00:50:59,160War One the the Intel is whensort of the intelligence post78400:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,250World War One into World War Twois when the intelligence AI78500:51:03,420 --> 00:51:09,840organization ideas really cameinto its own. And part of one of78600:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,580one of the one of the discussionpoints was all the all the78700:51:14,580 --> 00:51:18,870propaganda that had happenedduring World War One78800:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,640how it had been countered by thepress78900:51:24,750 --> 00:51:29,490right so the the there's thisgroup, and collectively known as79000:51:29,490 --> 00:51:32,670the revisionist the revisionisthistorians. That's I think79100:51:32,670 --> 00:51:35,250that's where that termoriginates, where they looked79200:51:35,250 --> 00:51:39,060back post World War One theylook back at it and said, you79300:51:39,060 --> 00:51:42,360know, a lot of this stuff thatwe all have this a lot this79400:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,920propaganda and it's all bullshitlike this, this this idea that79500:51:46,980 --> 00:51:51,000in so there's this book byAlbert J knock, it was one of79600:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,310the revisionists. And you gotguys like,79700:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,110Who's the guy from the Snopestrial? The Snopes Monkey Trial79800:51:58,110 --> 00:52:01,800that that reporter there wasquite their famous now.79900:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,780I'll remember the minute butthere were quite a few of these80000:52:06,780 --> 00:52:10,380guys that were revisionisthistorians. And they and they80100:52:10,740 --> 00:52:14,730spent the next few years afterthe war debunking literally just80200:52:14,730 --> 00:52:17,370debunking every all thepropaganda that had happened.80300:52:17,370 --> 00:52:20,460And with this book by Albert J.nock, called the myth of a80400:52:20,460 --> 00:52:21,270guilty nation.80500:52:22,410 --> 00:52:26,250It's about Germany, anddescribing how the West had80600:52:26,610 --> 00:52:31,800taken Germany and vilified theentire nation as a block.80700:52:33,930 --> 00:52:37,980And that's mean, that's whathappens in all wars. That's,80800:52:37,980 --> 00:52:40,530that's what, that's the way waroperates. And the propaganda80900:52:40,530 --> 00:52:44,220side is you vilify the entirenation should every man woman81000:52:44,220 --> 00:52:47,880and child is an evil, you know,this is evil and must be81100:52:47,880 --> 00:52:53,010destroyed. And so that's, that'sthe, that's what you're one of81200:52:53,010 --> 00:52:55,050the things that you'reprotecting, against when you81300:52:55,050 --> 00:53:00,180decentralize. And in the waysthat we've been talking about81400:53:00,180 --> 00:53:04,590is, you have to protect yourselfas a citizen, from the things81500:53:04,590 --> 00:53:08,970that your government may do.Yes, ostensibly in your name in81600:53:08,970 --> 00:53:11,670order to get you cancelled whenyou had nothing to do with this.81700:53:11,970 --> 00:53:17,550You know, so like, I mean, if,if the EU, if the US goes and81800:53:17,550 --> 00:53:21,900invades Iraq, and some you know,81900:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,840country in Europe decides thatthat is evil, and wants to Can't82000:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,230you know, wants to cancel theirmy account with their business?82100:53:31,830 --> 00:53:34,710Well, then that's a problem. Ihad nothing to do with it. I82200:53:34,710 --> 00:53:37,290didn't use that didn't invadeIraq. And I think I think in82300:53:37,290 --> 00:53:42,030today's day and age of therereally being no borders online.82400:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,160Yeah, a lot. Most people are ina frenzy right now. And Putin82500:53:47,190 --> 00:53:52,590equals Russia and F Russia andAssad. But you know, we all know82600:53:52,590 --> 00:53:56,130people and you know, so now thepeople are, are communicating.82700:53:56,130 --> 00:53:58,290Of course, that was the firstthing that had to get shut off82800:53:58,290 --> 00:54:02,040from both sides. I might pointout Russia, cutting off social82900:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,310networks, the social networkscutting off Russia, this is not83000:54:05,310 --> 00:54:10,740a sustainable situation. But Butbesides that, if the if they can83100:54:10,740 --> 00:54:13,500do it to an entire country, andthis is not new, as you point83200:54:13,500 --> 00:54:17,910out, they can do it to anycountry, or any state or any83300:54:17,910 --> 00:54:22,230individual, as long as there'senough political will, literally83400:54:22,230 --> 00:54:23,940political will not law.83500:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,430Just political will, so that youscare everybody. And it's not.83600:54:29,730 --> 00:54:33,180So Spotify doesn't care,obviously. But I heard Todd83700:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,870saying that Lipson has Russianpodcasters who can't pay for83800:54:36,870 --> 00:54:39,360their servers because MasterCardvisa doesn't work anymore.83900:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,390To which I said how aboutBitcoin but I didn't hear back.84000:54:46,500 --> 00:54:50,460Didn't hear. But are you then atrader? Are you a trader to84100:54:50,460 --> 00:54:54,540Ukraine and America if you helpyour customers, pay for their84200:54:54,540 --> 00:54:58,680service or maybe defer it untilthings calm down? Because in84300:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,000today's political lexicon84400:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,710On You are you actually arecarrying water for Putin? That's84500:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,970that's going to be the subtitleof my autobiography carrying84600:55:08,970 --> 00:55:13,800water for Putin. No, no, no, no.Dave de Jones. I didn't hear84700:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,250back.84800:55:18,570 --> 00:55:21,060HL Mencken is the guy who istrying to think Oh, right,84900:55:21,060 --> 00:55:25,470right. Of course. Yeah. So Imean, you got some Yeah, I was I85000:55:25,470 --> 00:55:28,380was gonna launch us intohopefully what you want to talk85100:55:28,380 --> 00:55:34,080about as well, which is, whichstemmed from your, from your85200:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,280blog post some conversations wehad. And I think an overall85300:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,720desire in general, to rebrandpart of what we're doing under85400:55:42,720 --> 00:55:47,340podcast in 2.0, specifically,the namespace and to rebrand it85500:55:47,340 --> 00:55:51,570to something like the podcast,standard podcast standards, and85600:55:51,570 --> 00:55:55,590in fact, probably a good idea tocreate the podcast standards85700:55:55,590 --> 00:55:59,430working group, so that now thatwe have a standard, and it's85800:55:59,430 --> 00:56:03,090implemented, we can go out andstart evangelizing it as85900:56:03,090 --> 00:56:07,200something that everybodyunderstands. And I would say86000:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,680specifically, hosting companieswill understand when customers86100:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,620start asking for the podcaststandard.86200:56:14,820 --> 00:56:18,420Yeah, yeah. So that's really,that's really what this is. And86300:56:18,420 --> 00:56:20,550this all you know, a lot of thiscomes from a conversation that86400:56:20,550 --> 00:56:24,630we had really sort of abrainstorming conversation we86500:56:24,630 --> 00:56:26,520had with Kevin over Buzzsprout.86600:56:28,230 --> 00:56:32,370He called us said, Hey, I've gotsome ideas, just Brent, you86700:56:32,370 --> 00:56:34,350know, strategizing,brainstorming, thinking about86800:56:34,350 --> 00:56:36,240this stuff. And86900:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,200the podcast we've known for along time, and then podcasting.87000:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,5402.0, what does it even mean? Imean, we like it. You know,87100:56:42,540 --> 00:56:47,970it's, it's a, it's aninteresting term phrase to use.87200:56:47,970 --> 00:56:51,570And I think I think it's, ithelps to think about, okay, this87300:56:51,570 --> 00:56:55,320is the next sort of the nextiteration of what podcasting can87400:56:55,320 --> 00:57:01,830be. But, but really, then, thenwhat, like, there's no, there's87500:57:01,830 --> 00:57:05,850no sort of like, follow upthere. What do you don't quite87600:57:05,850 --> 00:57:10,140understand? Well, once it iswhen you say podcasting 2.087700:57:10,140 --> 00:57:11,880Yeah, no, I understand. Ithought87800:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,600I heard you wrong. Okay, God.Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's a87900:57:15,600 --> 00:57:20,820concept. It's a concept, not awhite paper, and what you really88000:57:20,820 --> 00:57:23,970need for some concreteimplementation, and I think this88100:57:23,970 --> 00:57:27,240is a lot of the confusion thathappens when, like when Todd88200:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,240says, you know, we need we needa website that explains this88300:57:30,240 --> 00:57:30,570stuff.88400:57:32,190 --> 00:57:38,040I understand the understand thedesire and the desire there88500:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,960because you it is something thatis hard to explain in general.88600:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,180And so the, the idea that theywere talking about as well,88700:57:48,180 --> 00:57:52,410let's just call it instead ofcalling it the podcast namespace88800:57:52,770 --> 00:57:56,730for the podcasting two point orpodcasting, 2.0. The podcasting88900:57:56,730 --> 00:57:58,3802.0 project,89000:57:59,820 --> 00:58:02,310is creating the podcastingstandards.89100:58:03,630 --> 00:58:08,550And that really should be themain thrust of what we're doing.89200:58:08,550 --> 00:58:10,860Is pod This is the podcaststandard.89300:58:11,880 --> 00:58:17,370Yes, you, you and that what thatmeans is the podcast, podcast89400:58:17,370 --> 00:58:20,490standards body or I don't wantto call it a body what I like to89500:58:20,490 --> 00:58:23,970work in group working group.Yeah, okay. The podcasts and89600:58:23,970 --> 00:58:27,840standards are the end result.That's the thing that that's89700:58:27,870 --> 00:58:31,980that's our deliverable, if wewant to use a sleazy VC phrase89800:58:32,670 --> 00:58:36,270is, is these are these are a setof standards and the standards89900:58:36,270 --> 00:58:39,090that are encompass thenamespace.90000:58:40,500 --> 00:58:44,550The things like pod paying andadjacent technologies, and one90100:58:44,550 --> 00:58:47,910that we may, hopefully we'll getto talk about today, like JpT,90200:58:48,180 --> 00:58:49,680which is a new Alex proposal.90300:58:51,660 --> 00:58:53,940And then also a set of90400:58:55,140 --> 00:58:56,190other things like90500:58:57,660 --> 00:59:02,970block lists, or four things, howto handle how to handle feeds90600:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,430properly, things like90700:59:06,510 --> 00:59:12,360bringing together RFCs that mayhave been forgotten about and90800:59:12,390 --> 00:59:16,860discussing whether or not theyshould be formalized into a more90900:59:16,860 --> 00:59:19,890current iteration, things likepage feeds and stuff like that.91000:59:20,730 --> 00:59:24,360These are all things that getconstantly talked about within91100:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,090podcasting to Bono, andpodcasting. Supernote doesn't91200:59:27,090 --> 00:59:30,540necessarily represent a good wayto determine these things.91300:59:30,540 --> 00:59:38,880Right. And so if a podcast hostor app is going forward with91400:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,410podcasting 2.0 features, whatthey would be doing is they91500:59:43,410 --> 00:59:45,750would be trying to adhere to thepodcasting standards.91600:59:47,610 --> 00:59:51,180Going that's the, what wefigured out is is a good way to91700:59:51,180 --> 00:59:53,100describe it. So you could haveyou can imagine that a91800:59:53,100 --> 00:59:58,800podcasting conference, you canhave a booth that you know with91900:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,000a with a D92001:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,990Carolina, this are a graphicthis is we're podcast, we, we92101:00:03,990 --> 01:00:05,670are podcasting standardscompliant.92201:00:07,140 --> 01:00:09,660So you've got you got hostingcompanies out there like,92301:00:11,460 --> 01:00:14,010like a cast that92401:00:15,269 --> 01:00:19,529constantly reconfirm recommitthemselves publicly with92501:00:19,709 --> 01:00:23,879language saying that they areRSS friendly and committed.92601:00:23,879 --> 01:00:26,759Yeah, committed to the openpodcast ecosystem, these kinds92701:00:26,759 --> 01:00:31,349of things. Well, this would givethem a way to prove it to say,92801:00:31,409 --> 01:00:35,159Okay, well, we're committed tothe open podcasting ecosystem.92901:00:35,699 --> 01:00:38,819And the way that we're showingthat we're actually doing that93001:00:38,819 --> 01:00:39,509is by93101:00:40,770 --> 01:00:44,250is by adhering to the podcastingstandards. Now, something about93201:00:44,250 --> 01:00:47,790this that I want to mention,because it's about you, you have93301:00:47,790 --> 01:00:51,840done something incrediblyimportant for podcasting.93401:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,280So just a little quick Genesis,this project started, there were93501:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,630two, two concepts. One was takeback the index, create the API,93601:01:03,630 --> 01:01:07,110so developers can easily spinsomething up and not deal with93701:01:07,110 --> 01:01:12,000the with some other partymessing around with either the93801:01:12,060 --> 01:01:18,360entries or with the API itself.See apple, and the value for93901:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,940value streaming concept, thosewere the two initial things,94001:01:20,970 --> 01:01:23,400what came out of that, becauseof course, the namespace was94101:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,520created for the value block, weintegrated right away with94201:01:27,030 --> 01:01:31,620transcripts, which was alreadyexisting, and some other things.94301:01:32,310 --> 01:01:36,060But what you did with the paththat you let everyone down,94401:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,860what, for 10 years, and this isnot a slam, it's just a fact.94501:01:41,070 --> 01:01:45,180For 10 years, there werediscussions and slack groups94601:01:45,210 --> 01:01:50,880and, and organizations andboards and and more groups and,94701:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,560and all kinds of I hate we needmore features for podcasting.94801:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,980And it never happened. No onewrote, as far as I know, a lick94901:01:58,980 --> 01:02:03,360of code, no implementation, justlots and lots of hot air, and95001:02:03,390 --> 01:02:08,430you stewarded the namespace, andit's, it's inherent to you,95101:02:08,430 --> 01:02:12,510because you have a way I knowthat you have experience. But95201:02:12,510 --> 01:02:15,990also we followed, like the rulesfor standards makers, and you95301:02:15,990 --> 01:02:18,600did your homework on how wewould do this. And so what we95401:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,270now can present? Is that work?It is, so no longer do we need95501:02:24,270 --> 01:02:28,080to necessarily have bigconversations about because we95601:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,710have almost all the featurespeople wanted. And there will be95701:02:31,710 --> 01:02:35,220more there in an organizedmanner. There's a place where it95801:02:35,220 --> 01:02:38,130makes sense. It's technicallytechnically correct, we have95901:02:38,340 --> 01:02:42,960great documentation. And we infact, have people who can make96001:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,200up a working group, which can beas anyone as far as I'm96101:02:46,200 --> 01:02:46,800concerned.96201:02:48,300 --> 01:02:52,980And and can Shepherd this intothe marketplace, because we have96301:02:52,980 --> 01:02:57,510proven it with implementation.And that's you Dave Jones, you96401:02:57,510 --> 01:03:01,620did that. And I know, a lot ofpeople worked on it. But you96501:03:01,620 --> 01:03:05,970shepherded that. So there's yourlittle star on your forehead?96601:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,250On the forehead. Wow.96701:03:09,390 --> 01:03:13,470And I thank you, because you didan incredible service to the96801:03:13,470 --> 01:03:14,340podcast.96901:03:15,600 --> 01:03:22,650I hate the term industry topodcasting. But so, let me let97001:03:22,650 --> 01:03:26,070me let me describe, let medescribe what what it looks like97101:03:26,070 --> 01:03:29,550currently. Thank you, by theway, let me describe you97201:03:29,580 --> 01:03:32,850embarrass me with compliments.But let me describe what I'm97301:03:32,970 --> 01:03:34,740what it currently looks like.97401:03:36,270 --> 01:03:41,460And on sort of the, quote,unquote, working group side of97501:03:41,460 --> 01:03:45,090things, because I think wealready have what we need. Yep.97601:03:45,330 --> 01:03:47,550What we have is97701:03:48,930 --> 01:03:52,950we have to maintainers of thepodcast namespace repository,97801:03:53,310 --> 01:03:55,290which is where all thedocumentation and discussion97901:03:55,290 --> 01:03:59,880happens. We have myself andJames Cridland.98001:04:00,990 --> 01:04:04,650That was, that was intentional.Because98101:04:05,670 --> 01:04:10,080to put James as a maintainer, hecan merge things he can he can98201:04:10,350 --> 01:04:13,380do anything that needs tohappen, because it keeps it from98301:04:13,380 --> 01:04:17,730being just a just a podcasting2.0 thing. Or when I say98401:04:17,730 --> 01:04:20,280podcasts when I'm at podcastindex, I mean, yeah, it keeps it98501:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,900from being just podcast index.98601:04:23,310 --> 01:04:28,710Also, James and I disagreefrequently enough to where I98701:04:28,710 --> 01:04:35,130know that I can depend on him topush back, which is important.98801:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,270You need push back.98901:04:37,500 --> 01:04:42,540He also comes from a differentside of things like he's very99001:04:42,540 --> 01:04:47,670deep into the advertising partof things. But he's also he also99101:04:47,670 --> 01:04:50,940looks at he's also a technologyand technology, you know,99201:04:50,940 --> 01:04:54,300futurist if you want to call itso I feel like he's a good99301:04:54,300 --> 01:04:57,390steward of that along with me.Now, I don't think there will99401:04:57,390 --> 01:04:59,940ever add another person because99501:05:01,290 --> 01:05:04,740It is really important. And thisis this is the critical thing to99601:05:04,740 --> 01:05:07,560get back to what you were sayingabout stewarding things. The99701:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,310most important thing that we'vedone within podcasting to point99801:05:11,310 --> 01:05:13,890out to make sure that thesethings actually happen, instead99901:05:13,890 --> 01:05:14,940of just being talked about100001:05:16,020 --> 01:05:17,730is just doing it.100101:05:18,810 --> 01:05:24,000Don't talk about it endlesslyjust do the thing. And the more100201:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,350people you add, it becomes, itbecomes standard by committee,100301:05:28,380 --> 01:05:31,590and it just bogs down andnothing ever gets done. So at100401:05:31,590 --> 01:05:35,190the end of the day, somebody hasto make a decision. And that100501:05:35,190 --> 01:05:40,080decision comes in ultimately, ifnecessary, 90% of times is not100601:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,440necessary, right. But ifnecessary, that decision comes100701:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,270down to me and James.100801:05:46,590 --> 01:05:52,260And I think that is how that isall we need. We have a million100901:05:52,260 --> 01:05:56,190voices giving ideas andproposals. Lots and lots of101001:05:56,190 --> 01:06:00,810smart people at tons of awesomeideas. And you can see it in the101101:06:00,810 --> 01:06:04,380Verify tag, the podcast verifytag has been bet, talked about.101201:06:04,710 --> 01:06:09,840Alberto martinez.com, submitted.Right, right, I saw that, after101301:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,450it was talked about add PodcastMovement amongst a group of101401:06:12,450 --> 01:06:16,830people with Sam and James andeverybody. They came together101501:06:16,830 --> 01:06:19,590with this sort of core idea ofwhat what it could look like,101601:06:19,980 --> 01:06:21,390submitted the proposal.101701:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,140There's been some back andforth, the conversation has101801:06:25,140 --> 01:06:28,080slowed down. Now that means wethat's a signal when it slows101901:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,190down that there's a sort of lawwhere decisions can begin to be102001:06:32,190 --> 01:06:40,080made. And now, now, it's sort ofokay, what do What does? What do102101:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,980I think? What does James think?And we'll kick it back to the102201:06:43,980 --> 01:06:48,720community if necessary. And so,this, this process works very102301:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,360well. And I think that that canbe, that whole thing can be the102401:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,420standard, the podcast entersworking group, quote, unquote.102501:06:57,450 --> 01:07:02,820And I would like to recommendthat which you already, I guess,102601:07:02,820 --> 01:07:07,200set up is that discussion aboutthe podcast standard should102701:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,230happen in the discus portion ofthe GitHub.102801:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,530Yeah, and I need some help withthat, because I've never used102901:07:13,530 --> 01:07:16,530that. But a lot of people haverecommended it enough and103001:07:16,530 --> 01:07:19,830consistently enough to where itseems like it's probably a good103101:07:19,830 --> 01:07:22,380idea, here's what I recommend,we not do.103201:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,260I do not recommend we set up103301:07:26,490 --> 01:07:32,700another discussion group orMastodon, or, or email list or103401:07:32,700 --> 01:07:36,120whatever. Now, this is way downthe road. We don't need that103501:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,500anymore for the standards. Thisis a great adding, refining,103601:07:40,530 --> 01:07:45,240tweaking, you know, this is withreal technical details and code.103701:07:45,450 --> 01:07:49,950I don't think we need the broaddiscussion about well, you know,103801:07:50,190 --> 01:07:54,840and at all times, I would justlike to recommend that, that103901:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,970people police each other fromnot saying will you know, up a104001:07:59,970 --> 01:08:01,260little never do it?104101:08:03,180 --> 01:08:05,760Because that's just a recipe forfailure?104201:08:07,050 --> 01:08:12,210By thinking that way, because wewhat we're seeing is, other apps104301:08:12,240 --> 01:08:18,210that matter are doing it. And weeven saw Marco say that he when104401:08:18,210 --> 01:08:20,160he's ready, I'm sure it'll takea bit because he just had that104501:08:20,160 --> 01:08:20,730huge104601:08:22,770 --> 01:08:23,700refresh,104701:08:24,810 --> 01:08:30,660or UI redo. Maybe he plans onintegrating chapters, you know,104801:08:30,660 --> 01:08:35,580so watch stuff go When, when,when Marco does that, and and we104901:08:35,580 --> 01:08:40,170see that we've still gotpodcasts, attic, and N Pocket105001:08:40,170 --> 01:08:42,750Casts, and there's lots of appsthat make a difference that105101:08:43,020 --> 01:08:46,380that'll that'll be coming onboard with the standard. It's105201:08:46,380 --> 01:08:52,110inevitable at this point. Butreally, we need to step away105301:08:52,110 --> 01:08:57,390from this old trauma of Spotifyand Apple won't do it, then it105401:08:57,390 --> 01:09:03,120doesn't matter. And and thatalways fits into why I say that105501:09:03,150 --> 01:09:06,390the size of the audience. I knowpeople scoff at me when I say105601:09:06,390 --> 01:09:08,490it, but the size of youraudience just isn't as105701:09:08,490 --> 01:09:12,300important. You know, it's thecommunity you build around it.105801:09:15,450 --> 01:09:20,010So Oh, no, this kind of spinsomething I've been thinking105901:09:20,010 --> 01:09:24,870about, and is that the podcastapps of how critical the apps106001:09:24,870 --> 01:09:27,930are? And I mean, we've, ofcourse, we've said this from the106101:09:27,930 --> 01:09:33,240beginning, but I was listeningto the feed that the show Lipson106201:09:33,240 --> 01:09:39,240sort of commentary on themselvesin podcasting. And they were Rob106301:09:39,270 --> 01:09:43,170Walsh in there said he waslooking back I think he was106401:09:43,170 --> 01:09:44,400pissed off because106501:09:45,420 --> 01:09:51,300the lady that accepted the someaward for cereal, had said that106601:09:51,630 --> 01:09:56,760before cereal, podcasting, youknow, was basically nothing and106701:09:58,920 --> 01:09:59,970he's like, the mighty106801:10:00,000 --> 01:10:00,810I always fall.106901:10:02,129 --> 01:10:06,689He got super, super mad aboutthat. And then and what he is.107001:10:06,749 --> 01:10:09,539And he painted a picture that Ireally had never,107101:10:10,620 --> 01:10:14,160I'd never thought about. Buthe's, I think he's I think he's107201:10:14,160 --> 01:10:20,520right, is that it wasn't cerealthat reinvigorated podcasting,107301:10:21,300 --> 01:10:25,320or launched it to sort of thenext level. It was the fact that107401:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,790iOS eight,107501:10:27,900 --> 01:10:33,000put the apple podcast app on thehomescreen by default. Ooh,107601:10:33,030 --> 01:10:38,100interesting. Yes. And so I Yeah.When when that happened,107701:10:38,340 --> 01:10:42,330everybody said, and he I'm usinghis words here, I think, is, Oh,107801:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,560what's this interesting purpleicon on the screen. And you tap107901:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,200it and his podcast and there's asearch, there's a directory108001:10:49,200 --> 01:10:55,170search right there. And then twomonths later, serial hit in108101:10:55,170 --> 01:10:58,110became sort of a viral thing.And everybody already had the108201:10:58,110 --> 01:11:01,740app, they're ready to go. Iagree All Headings it had108301:11:01,740 --> 01:11:06,120existed before that it wouldn't.You had to tee it up in order108401:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,380for cereal, to even be on thenear end. This is exactly the108501:11:10,380 --> 01:11:15,330way podcasting is grown in thesespurts. And there's one other108601:11:15,330 --> 01:11:19,590element why cereal just bleweverything out of the water is108701:11:19,590 --> 01:11:24,300that this point everybody hadhad been trained to binge watch.108801:11:24,870 --> 01:11:29,940Netflix, and yeah, Hulu, and wewere binge watching. What's the108901:11:30,660 --> 01:11:34,170Breaking Bad, you know, everyonebinge watch Breaking Bad House109001:11:34,170 --> 01:11:37,860of Cards. And there was thisincredible, like, people just109101:11:37,860 --> 01:11:41,970staying up all weekend doingcoke, watching Netflix, and109201:11:41,970 --> 01:11:44,610pizza. And there were memesabout it. And then all of a109301:11:44,610 --> 01:11:47,910sudden there was this reallycompelling show that made you109401:11:47,910 --> 01:11:50,580wait a whole week before youcould get the next one. And of109501:11:50,580 --> 01:11:56,460course, the the true crimeformat is, I would say by far109601:11:56,460 --> 01:12:00,150the most popular format inpodcasting, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah,109701:12:00,150 --> 01:12:02,820without a doubt, and it broughtin women. Yeah. And it brought109801:12:02,820 --> 01:12:03,450in women.109901:12:04,710 --> 01:12:08,730Yeah. Now contrast that with thenumbers that we received that110001:12:08,730 --> 01:12:13,71040% of women listen to a podcaston a website, in a player on the110101:12:13,710 --> 01:12:14,460website.110201:12:16,500 --> 01:12:23,460That that is that that istotally valid, validate total110301:12:23,460 --> 01:12:28,140validation of the thing that youyou have said that for months110401:12:28,140 --> 01:12:32,940and months that, that women havea propensity to listen to110501:12:32,940 --> 01:12:37,800podcasts on websites instead ofin apps. You call that way long110601:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,360ago. And it's 100. It's, it's soodd. It's just not anything I110701:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,470would ever think to do. Which tome, which which to me means, you110801:12:46,470 --> 01:12:51,300know, should I just be me, maybemaybe I should. Okay, so when I,110901:12:51,330 --> 01:12:54,810when I say oh, here's, here'show I think the flow goes, I111001:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,560post a tweet to the show notespage. It's up and there's a111101:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,940player in there. And so there'sobviously a large portion of my111201:13:03,150 --> 01:13:06,480audience in certain shows, thatis going to listen to that on111301:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,810the web page, which is theshitty ass sorry, that111401:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,040fantastically beautiful, I lovethe freedom controller. But of111501:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,370course, I don't have the CSS oranything, I just have a shitty111601:13:17,370 --> 01:13:20,850s. Outline page. But that's howI That's my choice. That's how I111701:13:20,850 --> 01:13:24,990publish stuff. That doesn'tmatter to me. And it's just111801:13:24,990 --> 01:13:27,600like, I've simply I can see itclicked. So they are listening111901:13:27,630 --> 01:13:34,620on that page. Maybe I need aversion of pod verse, pod friend112001:13:34,620 --> 01:13:36,750curio casts or maybe even castpod112101:13:40,140 --> 01:13:42,210casts coverage. That112201:13:43,380 --> 01:13:48,960is a page, a beautiful page thatimmediately starts playing that112301:13:48,960 --> 01:13:56,610episode, but teases that it's anapp teases, you know, so you112401:13:56,610 --> 01:13:59,700shouldn't have a full listingand too much shit all in one go.112501:13:59,700 --> 01:14:02,310It should be one page and to belike, Oh, what's this? Oh, I can112601:14:02,310 --> 01:14:06,960find more podcasts here. Oh, Ican subscribe to this. And you112701:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,200have you link out to curiocaster for maybe let's just use112801:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,690them as an example. Actually, Iwant to use I want to use pod112901:14:12,690 --> 01:14:17,070verse as an example. Puffer,okay, you link to pod verse as113001:14:17,070 --> 01:14:20,640an example. During the laststream, they're streaming live,113101:14:20,670 --> 01:14:23,700and then they're in the thing inyour page, it says,113201:14:24,780 --> 01:14:29,850install the app. Now, I'mthinking when I tweet out the113301:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,180people listening live is a wholedifferent discussion. That's and113401:14:33,180 --> 01:14:35,700I have a lot of experience withthat. And that's, that's a very113501:14:35,700 --> 01:14:39,720small group, but very, veryuseful for specific cases. I'm113601:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,920talking about my new episode isup. There's a there's a large113701:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,650part of the portion of theaudience which does not see a113801:14:46,650 --> 01:14:49,440notification on an app becausethey're not using one typically113901:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,700maybe I don't know, two they seea tweet or they see a two or114001:14:53,700 --> 01:14:57,210something and oh, okay, let mego take a look. And114101:14:58,230 --> 01:15:00,000and they go to that page andthey can start114201:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,220Listening. And it's not just theAdam's ugly page. It's the pod114301:15:05,220 --> 01:15:09,540verse, web player and the podverse web and a simplified114401:15:09,540 --> 01:15:11,100version for that episode.114501:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,540And then through the UI, or UX,or whatever, it's teasing, like,114601:15:15,570 --> 01:15:20,310hey, you know, click here to getthe app always get notified, and114701:15:20,310 --> 01:15:23,400will automatically subscribe,you I'm just making shit up, or114801:15:23,430 --> 01:15:27,480explore what else you can do.This is an incredible114901:15:27,480 --> 01:15:28,350opportunity.115001:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,760It is also the same audiencethat listens to serial.115101:15:34,950 --> 01:15:37,920Large overlap, I would say,there's something we can do,115201:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,310where you can either keep peoplein the web app and show them the115301:15:41,310 --> 01:15:46,350joy of the web app. And thenmaybe if they want the, if they115401:15:46,350 --> 01:15:48,690want, and I don't even know ifthey're listening to115501:15:49,740 --> 01:15:53,340web players, you know, just aregular web player on the phone115601:15:53,340 --> 01:15:55,920or on the desktop, I'm not quitesure. But there's just an115701:15:55,920 --> 01:16:02,250opportunity to grab them andshow them the joys of of a pot115801:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,300of a full podcast appexperience. But it needs to be115901:16:06,300 --> 01:16:09,960something that I can use topromote instead of just a link116001:16:09,960 --> 01:16:15,030to a to a show notes page. Itshould just be something that116101:16:15,030 --> 01:16:18,420spits out for me from whateverapp and I can just Oh, boom,116201:16:18,420 --> 01:16:20,880it's a widget, you know, justlet me use this, or I just click116301:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,950a button. How about that? Andjust click a button and it does116401:16:22,950 --> 01:16:26,460it all for me with my Twitteraccount and my Mastodon account?116501:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,220Yeah, great opportunity. Yeah, Ilike it. I like it a lot. That's116601:16:32,250 --> 01:16:36,360I mean, I think that's probablybest to probably be some sort116701:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,780of, that's another that'sanother way we could go put into116801:16:39,780 --> 01:16:42,210the standard other thing, we putit in the standards, like,116901:16:42,420 --> 01:16:47,190here's, you know, here's a Thereyou go, like, suggestions on on117001:16:47,190 --> 01:16:50,010workflows and things like that,not from this or that podcaster117101:16:50,010 --> 01:16:53,160standpoint. But just like, here,if you're trying to accomplish117201:16:53,160 --> 01:16:54,360this thing,117301:16:55,500 --> 01:16:59,790to satisfy this particularaudience expectation, then here117401:16:59,790 --> 01:17:03,270would be a way to utilize thesethese technologies and this117501:17:03,270 --> 01:17:07,290these tags in order to satisfythis objective. There you go.117601:17:07,890 --> 01:17:11,580Yeah. Yeah, this I could. Icould let it let me do you want?117701:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,320I wanted to ask, I think I wantto talk about117801:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,150the a couple of these new tags.117901:17:22,650 --> 01:17:25,050If you want to do some TechEdout.118001:17:26,460 --> 01:17:29,550I love tech talk. Wait, is itmaybe it's time for one of118101:17:29,550 --> 01:17:33,780these, it's not just tech talk,we need to we need a new a new118201:17:33,780 --> 01:17:34,260jingle.118301:17:35,700 --> 01:17:40,770So now it's time for some hotnamespace talk needs to be118401:17:40,770 --> 01:17:42,540podcast standards chat.118501:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,240That just didn't do it?118601:17:48,270 --> 01:17:52,440Well, before, let's Okay, sowe'll do all the tags. But then118701:17:52,440 --> 01:17:55,230I want to look, actually, firstI want to talk a little bit118801:17:55,230 --> 01:17:57,870about the aggregator Oh, yummy.118901:18:00,030 --> 01:18:04,710So it's about as I got six ofthe aggregators converted over,119001:18:04,710 --> 01:18:08,640there's nine total to the newcode for the new for them the119101:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,110new polling mechanism.119201:18:12,840 --> 01:18:21,390And it's pretty interesting. Sothe, every one of these have119301:18:21,390 --> 01:18:22,200changed over119401:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,640the wants a start started, I gotthe first two done.119501:18:27,810 --> 01:18:31,140I looked at the charts on theCPU usage on the aggregator119601:18:31,140 --> 01:18:31,650nodes.119701:18:33,030 --> 01:18:36,240And they dropped, the CPU dropusage dropped at119801:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,920dropped from 80 to 100%. down tolike, 20. Yeah. And that is119901:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,100consistent. I mean, that hasbeen like that's, that's solid120001:18:44,100 --> 01:18:44,790stable.120101:18:45,930 --> 01:18:49,650Which till. So then I stoppedwhat I was doing. Okay. Well,120201:18:49,650 --> 01:18:52,860this is this is interesting.We're paying me rundown here120301:18:52,890 --> 01:18:56,910real quick. So we've got, we'vegot one, we've got nine120401:18:56,910 --> 01:18:57,660aggregators.120501:19:00,060 --> 01:19:01,350Every one of them120601:19:02,370 --> 01:19:05,160is a four gig120701:19:06,180 --> 01:19:10,980Linode instance. And they hadthat's a two CPU. And as two120801:19:10,980 --> 01:19:13,200CPUs have four gigs for each oneof them.120901:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,240One of them, which is a biggerone that handles a lot of the121001:19:18,450 --> 01:19:24,360frequency of a frequency one.That is a $30 a month Linode121101:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,390into dedicated CPU with fourgigs. So121201:19:28,410 --> 01:19:31,200we, if you add that all up,you're talking about121301:19:32,280 --> 01:19:38,340$175 a month for all theaggregator nodes. Now,121401:19:39,420 --> 01:19:41,880with the reduced CPU usage.121501:19:43,320 --> 01:19:49,860I was like, why are we paying?Why would we pay $20 a month for121601:19:49,890 --> 01:19:53,250on average for one of theseaggregators, when it's only121701:19:53,250 --> 01:19:58,740using 20% of the CPU, right?Okay. I went back and started to121801:19:58,740 --> 01:19:59,970reroll them out121901:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,930to actually load the CPU athigher. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So,122001:20:04,350 --> 01:20:10,590five $5. So using the lowest oneto $5 a month, one gig VMs.122101:20:10,590 --> 01:20:17,550Nice. And that put the CPUusage. Right around. Right122201:20:17,550 --> 01:20:24,000around, I'm guessing 40 To 6040to 60%. And it's solid, same122301:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,540speed, same speed. Yeah. Oh,wow. Yeah, the efficiency of122401:20:27,540 --> 01:20:31,770this of the new code is so much,I think what we can do is drop122501:20:32,190 --> 01:20:38,490all of these down to five, tothe, excuse me to the $10 a122601:20:38,490 --> 01:20:41,580month. So it gives us a littlebit of headroom, nice, all to122701:20:41,580 --> 01:20:45,810$10 a month. That means 90 bucksa month, that saves us 85 bucks122801:20:45,810 --> 01:20:46,380a month.122901:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,260And then we can use that toboost the database database123001:20:52,260 --> 01:20:55,920server right to the next level,which is an additional $80. So123101:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,460we got balanced out. Perfectlybalanced out. I love it when123201:20:59,460 --> 01:21:03,030that happens. Yeah, so we can goto the bigger database and have123301:21:03,030 --> 01:21:05,520all of our aggregators andeverything will be kosher. This123401:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,530is what your donations topodcasting. 2.0 go towards, by123501:21:10,530 --> 01:21:10,980the way,123601:21:12,570 --> 01:21:15,690value for value. So if you ifyou like what you're hearing123701:21:15,690 --> 01:21:19,830you'd like the frugality of mybrother from the south here,123801:21:20,670 --> 01:21:24,060then continue to support thatbecause we'll need more upgrades123901:21:24,090 --> 01:21:29,370in our future for sure. Yeah,and I want to say thank you to124001:21:30,420 --> 01:21:36,330Eleanor and to Hamish, on thesubs on the Macedon who've been124101:21:36,330 --> 01:21:40,260helping give me some ideas onhow to on because what, because124201:21:40,260 --> 01:21:45,780one thing about this new code isthat it's not okay in practice.124301:21:45,780 --> 01:21:49,140Now, if you just run the polarby itself, it screams I mean,124401:21:49,140 --> 01:21:54,750you come on the 2000 feeds aminute, easy, nice. But you124501:21:54,750 --> 01:21:57,390can't feed that to the databasethat fast. I mean, it's kind of124601:21:57,390 --> 01:22:02,070insane. So what the net resultof it is,124701:22:03,270 --> 01:22:06,150after you take into account, theparsing, and everything is it124801:22:06,150 --> 01:22:07,320turns out to be124901:22:08,790 --> 01:22:14,640not a whole lot faster than theprevious one. But you have125001:22:16,110 --> 01:22:18,690the better, better code, themore dependable code, you have125101:22:18,690 --> 01:22:23,220better efficiency with CPUs, butthen you put the it ends up125201:22:23,220 --> 01:22:30,060being a more steady stream ofdata. So you may not, it may not125301:22:30,240 --> 01:22:36,300be necessarily faster, but it'sa more consistent volume of data125401:22:36,300 --> 01:22:41,280being driven to the databasethat has the result of stressing125501:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,670the database out a little bitmore. So it's like, you know,125601:22:44,670 --> 01:22:46,080it's like the difference betweenlike a,125701:22:48,150 --> 01:22:53,040like a 22 Magnum versus a 45caliber.125801:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,730You got high FPS, I know highFPS bullet but very tiny, versus125901:22:59,730 --> 01:23:04,230a lower FPS bullet, but it'smuch bigger. Like, the 45 is126001:23:04,230 --> 01:23:06,150like getting hit in the chestwith basketball, right, you126101:23:06,150 --> 01:23:09,720know, at 100. Right, right.Right. Right. So that's, that's126201:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,800sort of the idea here is thatwe're, we're not it's not really126301:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,030a speed increase, it's more justa volume load increase on the126401:23:18,030 --> 01:23:20,880database. So we're gonna have tobump the database up. And how126501:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,650about polling algorithms?126601:23:24,180 --> 01:23:27,420Yes, no. So that that is adiscussion. Once I've finished126701:23:27,420 --> 01:23:30,780rolling everything out, that issomething that I want to do is,126801:23:31,590 --> 01:23:34,590is changed the overallalgorithm. So currently, what it126901:23:34,590 --> 01:23:36,240is, is these nine aggregators.127001:23:37,680 --> 01:23:45,510As as we do feed, feed parsing,the party time parser looks at127101:23:45,600 --> 01:23:52,020the average publishing timebetween episodes, or the average127201:23:52,020 --> 01:23:55,230gap between Episodes and itsays, In in the head, there's a127301:23:55,230 --> 01:24:00,000chart, there's a table that saysif it goes if you have one or127401:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,540more episodes within a three dayperiod, you get up you get127501:24:03,540 --> 01:24:05,130assigned update frequency one,127601:24:06,750 --> 01:24:11,190one or more episodes, within ayou know, seven day period127701:24:11,190 --> 01:24:14,130frequency to I'm making the Idon't remember the numbers, but127801:24:14,340 --> 01:24:18,330it splits it out and basicallyone through nine a frequency127901:24:18,390 --> 01:24:22,200update values get assigned toeach feed. So then the128001:24:22,200 --> 01:24:23,190aggregators128101:24:24,270 --> 01:24:29,160and they each take on a certainfrequency polar polling128201:24:29,190 --> 01:24:33,660responsibility. So aggregatorone handles, polls all the feeds128301:24:33,660 --> 01:24:37,140with an update frequency of onetwo does to blah, blah, blah.128401:24:38,070 --> 01:24:45,060That that works. Okay. Exceptthat you miss is it's not as128501:24:45,060 --> 01:24:46,020efficient as it could be.128601:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,370So one of the things that we'rewe talked about on Mastodon I128701:24:50,370 --> 01:24:53,850think we're going to man I willdefinitely do this. I'm going to128801:24:53,850 --> 01:24:54,240do this128901:24:55,530 --> 01:24:56,160is129001:24:57,660 --> 01:25:00,000changing debt lately.129101:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,970have that in place, but thenalso add this other metrics. And129201:25:02,970 --> 01:25:08,430so what we would do is have atable where it shows129301:25:09,900 --> 01:25:11,280where has the feed ID,129401:25:12,450 --> 01:25:16,320the last published time of anepisode, and then this, this129501:25:16,320 --> 01:25:21,930chart there. So this this seriesof columns, where it assigns a,129601:25:21,990 --> 01:25:23,790a time window129701:25:24,930 --> 01:25:27,540to each one of those columns. Soit's called as, like a129801:25:27,570 --> 01:25:31,710represents seven, like a sevenday period.129901:25:33,210 --> 01:25:36,210And then you assign a timewindows so that you can for130001:25:36,210 --> 01:25:39,420every feed, what you can do isyou can do a quick database130101:25:39,420 --> 01:25:45,120search and say, Okay, what Iwant is a list of feed IDs, that130201:25:45,150 --> 01:25:46,530update between130301:25:47,550 --> 01:25:49,7408am and 10am UTC130401:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,810every, every, every week, onThursday.130501:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,480And you, you can just look it upas a lookup table, it'll give130601:26:00,480 --> 01:26:05,580you that set of feeds. Andduring this period, you have one130701:26:05,580 --> 01:26:08,910aggregator that's assigned tojust rapidly pull those feeds.130801:26:09,900 --> 01:26:13,350So it's just how it's, you know,every three minutes, it's just130901:26:13,350 --> 01:26:16,410hidden every feed that fallsinto that category. As soon as131001:26:16,410 --> 01:26:19,560that time window passes, youpull the next group and just131101:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,230start hammering that group. Sowe're only killing one polar131201:26:22,230 --> 01:26:23,250bear a day then.131301:26:24,330 --> 01:26:28,140It's really like a cold polarbear cut like a cup. Yeah, like131401:26:28,140 --> 01:26:31,410beating a baby seal over thehead. Yeah, yes. Yeah. You're131501:26:31,410 --> 01:26:33,150just losing one or two cubs aweek?131601:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,590That's not you know, you'regood. That's good. Of course,131701:26:37,590 --> 01:26:41,280the answer to this is pod ping,which, I guess that should also131801:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,540somehow be mentioned in thepodcast standard. Oh,131901:26:45,540 --> 01:26:48,210absolutely. Yeah, that's good.It's got to have its place in132001:26:48,210 --> 01:26:52,860there. Now, Alex fixed, fixed abug that we're having with a132101:26:52,860 --> 01:26:54,270watcher. And so132201:26:55,470 --> 01:26:57,870that really helped it was a132301:26:58,950 --> 01:27:02,970bug with because it came fromthe live upgrades. Yeah, that132401:27:03,000 --> 01:27:07,980that he I think that thing is100% stable. Now, it's good.132501:27:07,980 --> 01:27:10,980It's good to go. I mean, youknow, nobody can predict votes.132601:27:10,980 --> 01:27:14,340But as we, as we start to figureout this, rebranding of the132701:27:14,340 --> 01:27:18,570namespace and, and, and wherethings start to fit, I did want132801:27:18,570 --> 01:27:22,260to mention Daniel J. Lewis, whowas very kind to start creating132901:27:22,260 --> 01:27:25,950a new website for podcasts.index.org, a lot of what you133001:27:25,950 --> 01:27:29,880did, Daniel actually influencedthis. So yeah, clearly, it's133101:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,490going to have to be differentbecause we're, we're seeing the133201:27:32,490 --> 01:27:34,380strategy kind of unfold.133301:27:35,430 --> 01:27:38,670So on one hand, I want to sayyou know, that you were very133401:27:38,670 --> 01:27:42,420responsible for getting ourheads in this space. Also, I'd133501:27:42,420 --> 01:27:45,810like to congratulate Daniel J.Lewis, for being accepted to the133601:27:45,810 --> 01:27:51,120board of the podcast Academy.Yes, absolutely. It's good to133701:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,470have one of our own there.133801:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,120Yeah, he's one of the 40% ofindependent pugs that kisses me133901:27:57,120 --> 01:28:02,430off to, you have no idea when Ihear well, 40% of the of the134001:28:02,430 --> 01:28:06,420board is, is indie. podcasters.That's a good thing. I'm like,134101:28:06,420 --> 01:28:10,590No, that's not a good thing.That's lame. That's not equity,134201:28:10,590 --> 01:28:14,940either. By the way, that's veryunwise joke. That's 50% less134301:28:14,940 --> 01:28:17,580than it should be. Yeah. Well,there you go.134401:28:19,770 --> 01:28:22,740And anyway, fine. I'm happyDaniel was there on the front134501:28:22,740 --> 01:28:25,320lines, and he'll be able torepresent and I think the134601:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,470podcast standards will be veryimportant in propagating that,134701:28:28,620 --> 01:28:32,250throughout that, you know, thatsector of podcasting, which is134801:28:32,250 --> 01:28:37,080really, you know, the high in mymind, I feel it's a lot more134901:28:37,080 --> 01:28:38,460high end content,135001:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,230you know, investor money typestuff. That's what the podcast.135101:28:43,530 --> 01:28:46,080I mean, look, I just looked atevolutions, and I saw all the135201:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,270money that went in there, andyou can see where it came from.135301:28:49,290 --> 01:28:52,200You know, and it didn't comefrom indies because indies have135401:28:52,200 --> 01:28:57,150no money. Right? Yeah. 2.0 didnot donate a half a million135501:28:57,150 --> 01:29:00,480dollars to it. So Daniel J,we're very proud of you. You are135601:29:00,480 --> 01:29:03,150the token, but we're very proudof you. And you're the token135701:29:03,150 --> 01:29:06,900you're the you're the tokenindie. Attendee, the attendee135801:29:07,020 --> 01:29:07,320Yeah.135901:29:09,270 --> 01:29:09,840See, what136001:29:11,490 --> 01:29:16,290do you want to talk about? Litabout the list mediums.136101:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,750The list mediums, does this doesthis pique your interest at all?136201:29:22,740 --> 01:29:27,090Sounds like yeah, like, likeanother variant of COVID.136301:29:28,740 --> 01:29:33,720This so that's what I was sayingearlier. There's just so many136401:29:33,720 --> 01:29:38,070specs and proposals and draftsof things that it's like, just136501:29:38,070 --> 01:29:41,010covered up with with differentwith all these things to read136601:29:41,070 --> 01:29:45,540well, before you get into LISmediums, then let me just say136701:29:45,540 --> 01:29:49,830that there will be more to read,as I am going to focus on136801:29:51,120 --> 01:29:55,980value for value a proper I'lljust call it the manifesto, but136901:29:55,980 --> 01:29:59,400something that can be turnedinto something that people can137001:29:59,400 --> 01:30:00,000read on137101:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,050Understand, not have to read thewhole thing to a little bit like137201:30:04,050 --> 01:30:08,010value for value.io, which isvery down and dirty. But this137301:30:08,010 --> 01:30:11,970would be something that one ofthe number one requests I get137401:30:11,970 --> 01:30:15,840interestingly is I need ascript.137501:30:17,400 --> 01:30:21,390Very, very interesting request,I need to risk to understand how137601:30:21,390 --> 01:30:24,870to complete the loop on boostergrams and value for value. So137701:30:24,870 --> 01:30:28,170these kinds of things, thehistory, the concept, and but137801:30:28,170 --> 01:30:31,290also how to get started reallyfast, etcetera, etcetera. So,137901:30:31,350 --> 01:30:33,930I'm going to be writing that I'mgoing to be focusing on that138001:30:33,930 --> 01:30:36,150because we have the tractionthat brings people in138101:30:37,350 --> 01:30:42,360if if somebody needs a, a realworld example, other than this138201:30:42,360 --> 01:30:46,230show, I mean, obviously, thisshow is a Yeah, absolute exam.138301:30:46,230 --> 01:30:50,850You're so busy. You're soaking.Yes. If somebody needs. There's138401:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,340just a couple of examples offtop my head of people that do138501:30:53,340 --> 01:30:58,140this also very well. Linuxunplugged. Yes. Fisher. Yeah.138601:30:58,740 --> 01:31:03,450And the intergalactic boombox,Callay bear. And these two shows138701:31:03,450 --> 01:31:07,050are do a very good job of doingof having a script. So we want138801:31:07,050 --> 01:31:11,340to have these examples. Youknow, I heard the message very138901:31:11,340 --> 01:31:16,470well from from Ed Ryan. And fromJames as well, you know, press139001:31:16,470 --> 01:31:21,630releases all this stuff. Fine.We'll do that. We'll do that.139101:31:21,870 --> 01:31:24,720We'll start feeding you stuff.And we'll also actually139201:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,980integrate the value for valuebranding into the way our139301:31:28,980 --> 01:31:31,890website because it's kind of abastard right now it's not, you139401:31:31,890 --> 01:31:35,400know, V for V is a list ofpodcasts right now. It's not139501:31:35,400 --> 01:31:40,410really clear. Anywhere. What?Yeah, that's almost fell down.139601:31:41,190 --> 01:31:44,100I'm standing up right now. Areyou trying to put your pants on139701:31:44,130 --> 01:31:45,000he almost fell now.139801:31:46,650 --> 01:31:47,850I was reaching for my water.139901:31:49,230 --> 01:31:49,680Z.140001:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,700That's, that's one thing todiscuss is that we're going to140101:31:53,700 --> 01:31:59,010try if at all humanly possibleto have some of this stuff. Kind140201:31:59,010 --> 01:32:03,300of branded and ready for PodcastMovement data? Yes. We're all140301:32:03,300 --> 01:32:06,480gonna go and we're all gonna goto Dallas. Yeah, so we'll140401:32:06,510 --> 01:32:09,210hopefully we'll have some stand,you know, podcast standards,140501:32:09,330 --> 01:32:12,390stickers or whatever we're goingto do. We'll have we'll have140601:32:12,390 --> 01:32:15,960some some media presence there.So podcast standards booth140701:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,760babes. Yeah.140801:32:18,900 --> 01:32:20,430Boothbay? Yeah,140901:32:21,510 --> 01:32:24,660I think it does BenjaminRichardson does he qualifies141001:32:24,660 --> 01:32:27,750booth, babe. I mean, he'stotally we also know you need to141101:32:27,750 --> 01:32:31,050do it. Right. You know, ride thepodcast standards mechanical141201:32:31,050 --> 01:32:32,700bull. And this is what you do.141301:32:34,290 --> 01:32:37,770There were at least five ofthose that Bitcoin 2022 Oh,141401:32:37,770 --> 01:32:39,030yeah. Ride the bull.141501:32:40,650 --> 01:32:43,920By the way, if you call inviteyour value for value, if you141601:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,880call it a manifesto, you it'srequired that you sign it with141701:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,730your middle name, Adam. AdamClark curry. Yes. Yeah.141801:32:51,810 --> 01:32:53,100Done, Consider it done.141901:32:54,900 --> 01:32:57,480We'll talk about lists mediums.I'd love to.142001:33:00,540 --> 01:33:06,540So this is a proposal by by Alexand, and I think is genius. I142101:33:06,540 --> 01:33:09,780think we should try to pipelineit into Phase Five, if at all142201:33:09,780 --> 01:33:10,320possible.142301:33:11,820 --> 01:33:16,110Stephen B, also concurs todaybecause he was looking for this.142401:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,160For curio caster for somethingsimilar, is only just get the142501:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,400idea. You know, you're familiarwith mediums. And so the mediums142601:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,070are things like where you cantag a142701:33:27,330 --> 01:33:28,410an RSS feed.142801:33:29,730 --> 01:33:33,660With what type of content thisis. So audio book, podcast,142901:33:33,690 --> 01:33:36,180music, film, this sort of thing.143001:33:38,070 --> 01:33:41,670Right, yeah. Yeah. So you canthat's, that's already there.143101:33:41,700 --> 01:33:44,280That was in Phase four, Ibelieve.143201:33:45,390 --> 01:33:48,870The idea of a list of a listmedium is,143301:33:50,160 --> 01:33:54,210is that you need this thing thatthere's a thing missing in143401:33:54,210 --> 01:33:56,670podcasting, which is the abilityto do playlists.143501:33:57,780 --> 01:34:01,410Now playlists, you can do listsof feeds, like with OPML, or143601:34:01,410 --> 01:34:05,730anything, or something likethat. But there's no notion of a143701:34:05,790 --> 01:34:09,900of a playlist of individualitems like episodes.143801:34:11,610 --> 01:34:16,140And you can imagine that thiswould be very helpful. Because143901:34:16,590 --> 01:34:19,320if you especially if you have aproliferation of things like144001:34:20,970 --> 01:34:24,720like music podcasts, so youcould you could assemble a144101:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,290playlist of episodes of a musicpodcast, because each one of144201:34:28,290 --> 01:34:29,310them is a track.144301:34:30,900 --> 01:34:33,990And so he's he's put togetherthis proposal and it depends on144401:34:34,170 --> 01:34:38,790on another on and on finalizedtag. Another proposal called144501:34:38,790 --> 01:34:39,720Remote item.144601:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,820Who's that? Yeah, the idea hereis that you can reference in a144701:34:44,820 --> 01:34:45,390feed144801:34:46,710 --> 01:34:50,040a different item, an item from adifferent feed. Nice, yes, and144901:34:50,040 --> 01:34:55,050inclusion. Exactly. Yeah, it'sperfect. Perfect analogy isn't145001:34:55,050 --> 01:34:57,330included. It's like an OPMLinclusion you can say145101:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,000except it's not URL based.145201:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,640It's based on the GUID of thebottom of the remote feed. Now145301:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,720new to the feed Natalie, podcastguid tag, reference, the good145401:35:10,620 --> 01:35:14,310and the good of the episode,right, right. And now you have a145501:35:14,310 --> 01:35:19,500unique identifier down to theepisode of a feed. You can say,145601:35:19,500 --> 01:35:23,280Okay, here's the, here's aremote item that I want to pull145701:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,010in. And this could beinterpreted on its own as145801:35:26,010 --> 01:35:28,110something like a suggestion orsomething like that, that you145901:35:28,110 --> 01:35:32,910can go read that spec. Now at,at pod show slash movie, we, we146001:35:32,910 --> 01:35:36,180did a lot of this. And wecreated a lot of these lists146101:35:36,180 --> 01:35:41,820making capabilities and theability to share and I, we were146201:35:41,820 --> 01:35:44,520not doing them in any manner,like in a namespace, but146301:35:45,570 --> 01:35:48,360just the basic outputfunctionality. And you could146401:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,800share your list. And so I couldsay, oh, let me see what, what146501:35:52,830 --> 01:35:55,080what episodes Dave has on decktoday.146601:35:56,250 --> 01:35:56,940So Mike,146701:35:58,110 --> 01:36:01,770that got zero traction, no oneused it didn't work, too. I'm146801:36:01,770 --> 01:36:04,620curious, how does this surfaceand what is the user146901:36:04,620 --> 01:36:10,620functionality and or the UX maybe for this? I don't know about147001:36:10,620 --> 01:36:14,640that. I think there's a demandfor list making capabilities.147101:36:14,910 --> 01:36:19,830from the user perspective. Imean, I certainly love having my147201:36:19,830 --> 01:36:25,530episode list in in curio casteror in pod verse does a good job147301:36:25,530 --> 01:36:28,620of it. So I just say, Oh, here'sthe new episode by a pod friend,147401:36:28,620 --> 01:36:29,130of course.147501:36:30,720 --> 01:36:35,250But for the podcaster to make alist, what is it for who was the147601:36:35,250 --> 01:36:37,080consumer? How does it surface?147701:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,960I think this is purely or notpurely, but I think a lot of147801:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,980this is user centric, not notrelated to the podcast, or147901:36:47,070 --> 01:36:50,760podcaster could could create oneand then drop it in there as148001:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,270Okay, okay, I just list Okay,got it. Got it. Yeah. So like a148101:36:54,270 --> 01:37:00,330curio caster listener could addepisodes that they really love148201:37:00,330 --> 01:37:04,560to a, to an ongoing sort ofplaylist, the way that Spotify148301:37:04,800 --> 01:37:11,550works for music, and then sharethat list, share that list out148401:37:11,550 --> 01:37:15,540with other people who could thenfollow them and get updates,148501:37:15,540 --> 01:37:17,070sort of like a synthetic feed148601:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,820type of thing where you couldsubscribe to somebody else's148701:37:20,820 --> 01:37:24,390Lists List. And we're at how doI publish this list?148801:37:25,500 --> 01:37:28,950Well, I mean, that would be out,you know, app to app, they would148901:37:28,950 --> 01:37:33,600have to be or you if certain acertain apps that had probably149001:37:33,600 --> 01:37:37,470like sovereign feeds, they havea curio caster has the ability149101:37:37,470 --> 01:37:40,830to it's got a feed publishingmechanism, there's some in it,149201:37:41,580 --> 01:37:43,710he could do it directly. Butthen if you had another app that149301:37:43,710 --> 01:37:47,310didn't have that, or didn't wantthat, they could just provide149401:37:47,310 --> 01:37:50,970you, you know, the feed, andthen you could do you know,149501:37:50,970 --> 01:37:54,900share it out some other way? Idon't know. But it'd be it'd be149601:37:54,900 --> 01:37:58,710interesting to see a ecosystembuild up around this where they149701:37:58,710 --> 01:37:59,280were just,149801:38:00,510 --> 01:38:03,390here's one of the excitingthings to me about, about a149901:38:03,390 --> 01:38:04,860thing like this is that150001:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,030everybody cries aboutdiscoverability? Constantly.150101:38:09,420 --> 01:38:14,190Yeah, sorry. No, not everybody.Everybody, but Adam, is about150201:38:14,430 --> 01:38:17,460discoverability. Constantly. And150301:38:18,870 --> 01:38:21,570but everybody, but when peoplethink about solving150401:38:21,570 --> 01:38:25,650discoverability, they only thinkabout, hey, let's, let's VC a150501:38:25,650 --> 01:38:29,640company and put a bunch of AI inthere, crap like that. But150601:38:29,670 --> 01:38:36,060that's not that meandiscoverability is, is what you150701:38:36,060 --> 01:38:39,780said in the past word of mouth.But if you have a playlist,150801:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,790sharing capability, this thisthis this open, and a standard150901:38:44,790 --> 01:38:49,680OS spec, well, then you canreplace the the word of mouth151001:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,620part of it, you can translatethat into digital form is that151101:38:52,620 --> 01:38:55,980this is this is digital word ofmouth. I'm literally showing you151201:38:55,980 --> 01:38:59,670what I listened to. Or you canhave a playlist of favorites151301:38:59,670 --> 01:39:02,460where every time you starsomething in the app, like, Oh,151401:39:02,460 --> 01:39:05,010that was a good, you know, goodepisode, which a lot of people151501:39:05,010 --> 01:39:10,320use in apps like overcast asstarring, it could get that lit151601:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,520that those starred items canbecome a playlist. And now you151701:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,970have now you're sharing thediscoverability in with the151801:39:17,970 --> 01:39:22,410world. Like, I think it's agreat idea. It's a great idea.151901:39:22,410 --> 01:39:25,920I'm excited to see it. I'm evenmore excited to see people use152001:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,720it. i Yeah, I'm skeptical overthis as a discovery mechanism. I152101:39:30,720 --> 01:39:35,100think clips is a great discoverymechanism. I don't know what the152201:39:35,100 --> 01:39:38,880uptake on that is either. I justdon't hear any great success152301:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,420stories. And I am completelybiased because I don't believe152401:39:42,420 --> 01:39:46,230that's how people discoverpodcasts. But I can see other152501:39:46,230 --> 01:39:49,290use cases that I would probablyput together152601:39:55,230 --> 01:39:58,620I don't know. I don't know. Weneed the difference here between152701:39:58,620 --> 01:39:59,970clips and152801:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,140And something like this is thatclips inherently require a lot152901:40:04,140 --> 01:40:08,010of effort. You gotta go in thereand you and it's gonna take you153001:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,540on a good device that's easy touse, it's gonna take you four or153101:40:12,540 --> 01:40:16,890five minutes to create a clipwith something like a playlist,153201:40:17,310 --> 01:40:21,390the app, and this is just, I canjust envision a scenario like153301:40:21,390 --> 01:40:27,960this where an app says, Do youwant to share your favorites in153401:40:27,960 --> 01:40:33,870a public playlist? And you cansay, if you said yes, from then153501:40:33,870 --> 01:40:37,200on, whenever you hit star, thatthing, just, it is just153601:40:37,230 --> 01:40:41,610instantaneous. Like it requireszero effort.153701:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,860That's a way that I think thatthat you could get something153801:40:46,860 --> 01:40:52,050like this to work. Where as aclip is just, it requires so153901:40:52,050 --> 01:40:55,470much effort and fiddling, movingthe little slider back and154001:40:55,470 --> 01:40:57,810forth, and you mess it up andyou get, you know, you154101:40:57,840 --> 01:41:02,160accidentally go. It's sort oftedious, but a bit of a playlist154201:41:02,160 --> 01:41:06,300is it could be designed whereit's very minimal effort, or154301:41:06,300 --> 01:41:10,920none. Yeah, yeah. Possible.Yeah. I mean, I don't have time154401:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,410for playlists in my life. Soagain, I'm biased.154501:41:14,430 --> 01:41:17,670I don't have time to listen toall these podcasts.154601:41:18,690 --> 01:41:22,740I'd admit that I'm strugglingto, I've got like, I've got so154701:41:22,740 --> 01:41:24,900many one was, I can't list youknow, one of the things that we154801:41:24,900 --> 01:41:27,270did create back in the day,which never took off, either.154901:41:27,270 --> 01:41:29,850And this is good, because goingback to Dave Winer days was155001:41:29,850 --> 01:41:31,260share your OPML.155101:41:32,490 --> 01:41:35,880I remember that. Yeah. And Ireally liked that idea. Because155201:41:35,880 --> 01:41:39,390then everyone has theopportunity to publish their155301:41:39,390 --> 01:41:42,030subscription list. Now, youcould do this with a list of155401:41:42,030 --> 01:41:47,100favorites. So it's very validwith with this list, list tag.155501:41:48,270 --> 01:41:50,760But then eventually, what youwant is you want that to be155601:41:50,760 --> 01:41:54,720aggregated somewhere. Now youhave some data about people155701:41:54,720 --> 01:41:59,790subscribing, you know, how manylists on things on there,155801:41:59,790 --> 01:42:02,760there's, there's all kinds ofgreat things that can be done155901:42:02,760 --> 01:42:08,130with with something like this.But I think ultimately, I just156001:42:08,130 --> 01:42:10,470need to see the use cases, Ithink we should put it all in156101:42:10,470 --> 01:42:13,110there make it all possible,because there's someone coming156201:42:13,110 --> 01:42:15,510up with a use case that I can'tfigure out and it's going to be156301:42:15,510 --> 01:42:18,390great, I'm sure. Yeah. And I'veused this example before, I156401:42:18,390 --> 01:42:20,160think I think maybe156501:42:21,330 --> 01:42:26,670says we found that we found ause case for the source tag and156601:42:26,670 --> 01:42:30,240the freedom controller. And wewent back like we needed, we156701:42:30,240 --> 01:42:34,590needed some functionality inthere to do we had the freedom156801:42:34,590 --> 01:42:36,180controller to threaded comments.156901:42:37,320 --> 01:42:41,070Oh, right. Oh, my God, Iremember that. Yeah. Perfect157001:42:41,100 --> 01:42:45,030example. Great technology. Wedon't use it. Yeah. And it you157101:42:45,030 --> 01:42:48,630and it used the source tag to doit. And we went back and found157201:42:48,630 --> 01:42:51,360that tag and said, Okay, we canadapt this. So if we have this157301:42:51,390 --> 01:42:55,350in there, some person in thefuture can come up with some157401:42:55,350 --> 01:42:59,730rockin use case for that and belike, Yeah, this is great. So157501:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,920I'm all for it. Obviously, I'mall for it.157601:43:03,120 --> 01:43:07,290Yeah, by the way, on a happynote that we finally got our157701:43:07,320 --> 01:43:08,850$5,000 back.157801:43:11,370 --> 01:43:15,150You know, someone had opened a10 million Satoshi channel to157901:43:15,150 --> 01:43:21,390us. And then oh, yeah, and thenran it all to our side. And then158001:43:21,420 --> 01:43:26,400just left, when offline, justleft. It's great. But so that158101:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,520meant I had to force close thechannel, which meant we had to158201:43:29,520 --> 01:43:36,150wait 780 blocks before we couldget our money back. Geez, how158301:43:36,150 --> 01:43:43,470much? How much cash was that?$5,000. Good grief. Yeah, it was158401:43:43,500 --> 01:43:46,770it was suck. We couldn't open achannels we had very, very low.158501:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,160We had only maybe a million setsleft to open some channels with.158601:43:50,820 --> 01:43:54,000And this is the this is theanswer to when people are like,158701:43:54,030 --> 01:43:57,750you know, the complaint aboutthe fees on the for routing fees158801:43:57,750 --> 01:44:00,600like Well, yeah, because craplike this happens. Yeah, I mean,158901:44:00,630 --> 01:44:04,530we literally, you know, ourmoney was locked up for for I159001:44:04,530 --> 01:44:08,010don't know, how many days wasthat? It's almost two weeks. I159101:44:08,010 --> 01:44:09,240think it took forever.159201:44:10,950 --> 01:44:13,500It's like roughly 10 minutes ofblocks. I said it's probably159301:44:13,500 --> 01:44:18,660less than that. Yeah, solettered minutes, you know, 700,159401:44:18,690 --> 01:44:23,430right. 750 blocks times 10. Soseven and a half. 1000 minutes.159501:44:25,080 --> 01:44:29,520Yes. 7500 minutes. So it's howmany hours divided by 60? Yeah.159601:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,770Oh, my god. I can't do this.159701:44:32,790 --> 01:44:34,440I could, but I don't have acalculator.159801:44:35,550 --> 01:44:42,120I got one. Let's see. Okay.770 7500 minutes divided by 660159901:44:42,120 --> 01:44:48,180minutes in an hour. 125 hours,divided by 74. There's only four160001:44:48,330 --> 01:44:50,400and a half, five days feltlonger.160101:44:51,480 --> 01:44:52,500But a week. Yeah.160201:44:54,480 --> 01:44:58,200And that's, that's the HDLCmechanism that you have. You160301:44:58,200 --> 01:44:59,970have to wait up here.160401:45:01,709 --> 01:45:05,669So if you wonder why we'd liketo make some money off of160501:45:05,669 --> 01:45:07,229routing, there's your answer.160601:45:09,990 --> 01:45:14,040You want to thank some peopleand then we'll, yes. Anything160701:45:14,040 --> 01:45:15,510else? Yeah, I think we can dothat.160801:45:19,650 --> 01:45:23,490Value for value. I'm writing themanifesto was Adam Clarke curry.160901:45:24,270 --> 01:45:27,690But it's very simple. If youvalue what you're hearing, if161001:45:27,690 --> 01:45:31,920you value what is being done,turn that into numbers, and send161101:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,520that to us, whatever is valuableto you. And this is the way it161201:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,840should work because of the vapidnature of media. It can mean a161301:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,780lot to somebody or nothing, sowe don't force it on you. And we161401:45:42,780 --> 01:45:45,870don't have creepy corporatemoney or advertising. We just161501:45:45,870 --> 01:45:49,740asked you to support it, so thatwe can continue and so far so161601:45:49,740 --> 01:45:53,160good. As long as we remainfrugal. You can support us161701:45:54,300 --> 01:45:57,480at podcasts index.org throughyour Fiat fun coupons there at161801:45:57,480 --> 01:46:01,230the bottom we got a donatebutton for PayPal, also for on161901:46:01,230 --> 01:46:04,800chain if you want to sendbitcoin to us on chain. And of162001:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,440course our favorite method iswith a modern podcast app, which162101:46:07,440 --> 01:46:11,400you can find at new podcastapps.com and boost us162201:46:12,480 --> 01:46:15,630and we're gonna get to thanks.Thanks for people right now who162301:46:15,630 --> 01:46:21,390supported this episode. OostWayne Parker gave us $50 through162401:46:21,390 --> 01:46:24,720PayPal it's a one time donationwhoo nice thank you. Yeah, thank162501:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,530you well, I'm not sure if hewanted me to he's got a paid162601:46:28,530 --> 01:46:31,380this from an LLC and I'm notsure if he wanted me to name it.162701:46:31,380 --> 01:46:34,680So if if you would like to letus know me send me an email.162801:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,040Yeah. Thank you Wayne.Appreciate that. Dr. One time162901:46:38,040 --> 01:46:45,090and Joseph naggy Jr. or Nagy ornaggy in a G why give us $5 For163001:46:45,090 --> 01:46:49,920one time, one time contributionhe says value for value. All163101:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,490right, thank you very much,because that is boost. Should I163201:46:53,490 --> 01:46:56,190do these live booster grams thatwe received before we get into163301:46:56,190 --> 01:46:57,330the big boosts?163401:46:58,530 --> 01:47:01,710Hit it. We got a couple peoplewho are listening live163501:47:02,730 --> 01:47:05,610and I've been boosting live wegot Carolyn163601:47:06,930 --> 01:47:11,220888 SATs I wear sunglasses whenlistening to podcasts and 2.0163701:47:11,220 --> 01:47:16,170the future of podcasting isbright hashtag boost chain. Then163801:47:16,170 --> 01:47:22,080we got a whole bunch of 333 33SATs here's Chad F with 10,000163901:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,860SATs and he he's cross promotingeven though boosting this show164001:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,250can't wait for the next episodeof Korean the keeper. Thank you.164101:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,730Yeah, we're gonna do that.Monday or Tuesday. Blue douche164201:47:32,730 --> 01:47:37,9805000 SATs keep it up podcast and2.0 Chat F with another 5000164301:47:37,980 --> 01:47:43,050SATs for the Live episode hardhat 2222 Row ducks for you right164401:47:43,050 --> 01:47:45,060there on air exclamation mark.164501:47:46,230 --> 01:47:52,860We got November for Victor X raywith a freedom boost 1776 or164601:47:52,860 --> 01:47:56,310Patriot boost where the pantsare optional but pews are not164701:47:56,310 --> 01:47:57,300new podcast. That's164801:47:59,310 --> 01:48:02,910right. I might take them offbefore the show and 10,000 again164901:48:02,910 --> 01:48:09,240from Chad f we do it live yousays and we have 2356 sets from165001:48:09,240 --> 01:48:14,400Steven B. He says this is a $1boost pre live show boost. By165101:48:14,400 --> 01:48:18,360the way I appreciate he put inFiat translators now and curio165201:48:18,360 --> 01:48:23,730Kassar. Yes. Interesting. I didwant to say that I kind of miss165301:48:23,730 --> 01:48:27,120being able to switch thatanywhere I see I see a number.165401:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,180So you have to go to settings tochange it and it changes165501:48:30,180 --> 01:48:33,180universally. I like just beinglike looking at SATs and just165601:48:33,180 --> 01:48:36,150tapping something and go okay,that's this many dollars tap165701:48:36,150 --> 01:48:39,120back. That's just a personalpreference, but I love that165801:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,060you've done it Steven. Andthat's it. That's what I have on165901:48:42,060 --> 01:48:46,380the live booster Gramps. We gotsome nonlife booster grams which166001:48:46,380 --> 01:48:50,910is and now just I just took thisdate from because we had picked166101:48:50,910 --> 01:48:53,130it up where we left off becausethe dates were weird. So166201:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,870live is lit. We had a successfullaunch of the live item tag this166301:48:57,870 --> 01:49:00,570past Sunday afternoon agenda andthis is from blueberry. Oh,166401:49:00,570 --> 01:49:04,650nice. And he says blueberrieseat from166501:49:06,240 --> 01:49:10,050out what's the what's the nameof the podcast? Blueberries in166601:49:10,050 --> 01:49:13,170the chat right now. Blueberry.Okay, behind the schemes. Is166701:49:13,170 --> 01:49:15,480that Yes, I believe so. Yes.Behind the schemes? I believe166801:49:15,480 --> 01:49:19,050so. Yeah. And hug story. Okay,so this is excited to see more166901:49:19,050 --> 01:49:21,840apps adopt this feature. It's ahard decision between which is167001:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,630more fun chapters or thelifetags we make custom heart167101:49:24,750 --> 01:49:27,690for each chapter for yourviewing pleasure. Every Monday167201:49:27,690 --> 01:49:30,270night following hug story wewill be live with behind the167301:49:30,270 --> 01:49:33,690scheme's and curio caster. Hey,baby. I was listening to a PC167401:49:33,690 --> 01:49:38,2202.0 app because you're lit. Oh,I just had an idea. I just had167501:49:38,220 --> 01:49:38,730an idea.167601:49:39,750 --> 01:49:43,200And I heard the chapters, too.First of all, I want to thank167701:49:43,200 --> 01:49:47,370Dred Scott for doing an amazingjob if you want to. If you want167801:49:47,370 --> 01:49:50,820to see some crazy ass chaptersgo look at no agenda, Episode167901:49:50,820 --> 01:49:56,2201440 It was a four hour end ofshow mix extravaganza. And I168001:49:56,220 --> 01:49:59,940sent him the list of 154 tracksthat were used.168101:50:00,000 --> 01:50:08,760Danny, Danny turned it into 154chapters with images. How cool168201:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,060is that? It's, you'd look atthat it's you get blown away.168301:50:12,210 --> 01:50:16,650Here's the thought I just had.Wouldn't it be interesting if168401:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,960you have, like a live show, butit could also be the I think the168501:50:21,960 --> 01:50:26,070live show where the boostergrams that come in are168601:50:26,100 --> 01:50:31,500immediately converted into achapter marker with the message.168701:50:32,820 --> 01:50:38,790Oh, with that person's icon asthe image or whatever or chosen168801:50:39,510 --> 01:50:43,290image representation. That's agreat idea. How badass would168901:50:43,290 --> 01:50:50,610that be? Okay, so this relatesto the Jaypee T. proposal. We169001:50:50,610 --> 01:50:53,910can talk about that after theinitial segment. They did that169101:50:53,940 --> 01:50:57,210this may be a good fit. Allright. All right. We'll finish169201:50:57,210 --> 01:51:02,610and then I'll like it was acalled JpT JpT. Geo JSON, JSON169301:51:02,610 --> 01:51:07,980payment token. Now brothers,Daniel J. Lewis JSON thing. No,169401:51:07,980 --> 01:51:13,380no, no, no. I'm just kidding.No. J Daniel has. He's not he's169501:51:13,380 --> 01:51:16,470got too much responsibility withpodcast Board of Governors. He's169601:51:16,470 --> 01:51:20,190not not only that. He's got akid. He's got the board got the169701:51:20,250 --> 01:51:24,240academy. Governor, Director,board ship whatever the hell it169801:51:24,240 --> 01:51:24,420is.169901:51:25,650 --> 01:51:30,750For JSON anymore. He's moved on.Yeah. All right. Anonymous 4242170001:51:30,750 --> 01:51:34,170through cast ematic and it justsays confetti. We don't really170101:51:34,170 --> 01:51:38,190have a confetti streamer. You goget the Fauci pop boost.170201:51:39,270 --> 01:51:41,880Boost. That's a confetti pop.All right.170301:51:43,110 --> 01:51:47,430Chad Pharaoh 1000 SATs throughfountain and he says I listen to170401:51:47,430 --> 01:51:49,950no agenda on cassette I wouldlisten to no agenda on cassette170501:51:49,950 --> 01:51:51,210tape if I knew what that was170601:51:53,280 --> 01:51:58,230in for VX a row of ones a 1111He says no agenda social the170701:51:58,230 --> 01:51:59,700best strap on in the universe.170801:52:02,070 --> 01:52:06,300Okay, bombshell, whatever thatmeans. Yeah, right. Anonymous,170901:52:06,480 --> 01:52:09,720another anonymous through1313 13 through cast medic with171001:52:09,750 --> 01:52:12,960Vicious confetti, so somebody'sconfetti being us. Yes.171101:52:14,430 --> 01:52:19,140Spam proof sends us 5000 SATsthrough cast Matic is this171201:52:19,140 --> 01:52:23,010podcast index 2.0 was the reasonI finally saw a path forward for171301:52:23,010 --> 01:52:25,800Bitcoin because of your use ofthe Lightning Network. Enjoy171401:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,880these pennies. Oh, thank you.Yeah, and he sent another 10,000171501:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,510SATs also with the same withsame donation notes so 15,000171601:52:33,510 --> 01:52:35,460Total Thank you beautiful lovethat.171701:52:36,780 --> 01:52:41,070Here's your cute a booth. Youknow you want yeah.171801:52:42,720 --> 01:52:50,640So our buddy ROI ROI Schonfeldfrom breeze 5004 54,321 SAS171901:52:50,670 --> 01:52:51,600through the breeze app172001:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,760direct quote from Roy fuck allthe Bitcoin haters172101:53:04,140 --> 01:53:09,180boost boost boost Spoken like atrue yeah, Max Ray. Yeah172201:53:11,190 --> 01:53:16,170he is our biggest cheerleaderthey've yes oh my goodness. Oh172301:53:16,170 --> 01:53:19,710my goodness. Yeah, he is hereally is. He makes us look172401:53:19,710 --> 01:53:23,490good. Yeah, he does. I like thatabout people when they make me172501:53:23,490 --> 01:53:27,240look good make us look good.Yeah. Can't Pharaoh 1000 SATs he172601:53:27,240 --> 01:53:32,550says I love the free CSV add abit CSV did too well. It's172701:53:32,580 --> 01:53:36,690that's part of value for value.You know? It works both ways.172801:53:37,980 --> 01:53:41,430Oscar Mary said I think we 5000SAS he says I think we fixed the172901:53:41,430 --> 01:53:44,280emojis now let me know Yes, youdid. I see a string of emojis173001:53:44,280 --> 01:53:48,270here. And they they arelightning fire confetti and173101:53:48,270 --> 01:53:49,050running with scissors.173201:53:52,350 --> 01:53:55,620Thank you Oscar. And he hadanother test boost as well for173301:53:55,620 --> 01:53:58,620emojis and yes, we got those twoother 5000 SATs.173401:53:59,850 --> 01:54:04,560Shawn Trenary sin 2500 SAS newfountain he says Happy Holidays173501:54:04,560 --> 01:54:04,860Adam.173601:54:05,910 --> 01:54:09,150Thanks very happy after wellwasn't quite that happy? Are you173701:54:09,150 --> 01:54:09,990doing booster?173801:54:11,070 --> 01:54:13,920Signs of new growth a good musicpodcast if you need one to173901:54:13,920 --> 01:54:19,740listen to check it out. I highlyrecommend he's sent 3333 sets174001:54:19,740 --> 01:54:22,290through fountain and he saysDave Jones tech support boost174101:54:25,380 --> 01:54:30,510our buddy Martin from pod Francesent 6464 SATs I wonder what the174201:54:30,510 --> 01:54:36,180new interesting 6464 pod two podfriendly says boosting to show174301:54:36,180 --> 01:54:37,320you I'm still alive.174401:54:38,640 --> 01:54:43,470We know you're alive. Nobody cankill ya. He's indestructible.174501:54:43,650 --> 01:54:44,250Yes.174601:54:45,270 --> 01:54:49,260Unbreakable. Unbreakable MarkBrewster. He was at the dev174701:54:49,260 --> 01:54:51,780meeting the other day and it'sgood to see good to see Martin174801:54:51,810 --> 01:54:52,890Yeah. Oh cool.174901:54:54,750 --> 01:54:59,310Air statica since 2370 successthrough fountain and he says Mr.175001:54:59,310 --> 01:55:00,000Graham's are not lost.175101:55:00,000 --> 01:55:00,990Sending messages175201:55:02,370 --> 01:55:03,840got it? We got175301:55:05,100 --> 01:55:10,380we got it and he sent another2376 and said I had no idea Mr.175401:55:10,380 --> 01:55:13,110grands would become socontroversial thanks for doing175501:55:13,110 --> 01:55:13,620the work175601:55:15,150 --> 01:55:18,750boost in the world of theinternet anything can become175701:55:18,750 --> 01:55:19,410anything just175801:55:21,750 --> 01:55:27,960oh now like this I don't thinkyou've seen this Steven be sent175901:55:27,990 --> 01:55:31,920in a donation but he's the be inHis name is the Bitcoin symbol176001:55:32,550 --> 01:55:39,030Oh slick nice 2289 SATs throughcurio caster and he says curio176101:55:39,030 --> 01:55:43,140casters first Fiat fun boosttwitch $2 in the wallet settings176201:55:43,140 --> 01:55:47,310to the amount in dollars rightso that's interesting so he sent176301:55:47,310 --> 01:55:52,410$1 at the time and it translatethat to that amount which of176401:55:52,410 --> 01:55:57,180course is completely meaninglessin numerology but yeah, it's176501:55:57,210 --> 01:56:00,930it's it's fun to see how thatworks when people can also do176601:56:00,930 --> 01:56:02,040that in Fiat176701:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,830it's literally Fiat on coupons.It's a coupon for some SATs,176801:56:07,980 --> 01:56:11,130y'all y'all know ha man there'sso much to think about we can do176901:56:11,130 --> 01:56:15,450so much with with booster grams.My My mind is just spinning177001:56:15,900 --> 01:56:20,850programmable money. It broughtbroadcast double money. Yeah,177101:56:20,910 --> 01:56:24,360that's the winner. We're gonnaget the t shirt that says I've177201:56:24,360 --> 01:56:27,450got you in my cron job. Theylike that's that's an important177301:56:27,450 --> 01:56:31,320t shirt that needs to exist. Ohmy goodness. Well, I think I177401:56:31,320 --> 01:56:36,630think our team over there to noagenda or podcast index dot shop177501:56:36,900 --> 01:56:41,130will take the team the teamYeah, it's it's a team. It's a177601:56:41,130 --> 01:56:45,210team. Yes, it is husband wife,but it's a team is not our team.177701:56:45,240 --> 01:56:48,450No, it's not our team. We'revery happy for and by the way,177801:56:48,450 --> 01:56:52,380if you buy any of the podcast,any of the merchant podcast,177901:56:53,310 --> 01:56:57,030podcasts index dot shop, that aportion of that goes to the178001:56:57,030 --> 01:57:00,390artists the portion goes to theshop and a portion gets donated178101:57:00,390 --> 01:57:04,860to podcasting 2.0 And we alsohave the certified shirt which178201:57:05,580 --> 01:57:09,360we now have pegged at total andit doesn't matter as long as you178301:57:09,360 --> 01:57:14,190keep your own accounting totalup to $125 in Fiat then you'll178401:57:14,190 --> 01:57:17,310get one of those handsomeshirts, honor system, like178501:57:17,310 --> 01:57:20,730everything of course. Nomad, Joegave us 2000 SATs through178601:57:20,730 --> 01:57:24,810fountain and he says let's havea mellow week. Okay, great178701:57:24,810 --> 01:57:26,460mellow week mellowing D.178801:57:28,440 --> 01:57:33,060Billy Newman 833 sets as gopodcasting. I'm learning how to178901:57:33,060 --> 01:57:35,610Batch Edit my podcast audio interminal179001:57:38,670 --> 01:57:42,840in terminal because that'shardcore. Yeah.179101:57:44,250 --> 01:57:47,370Sounds new growth and it'sanother 3333 sets and thanking179201:57:47,370 --> 01:57:50,400me for the for the tech supportand you're welcome for that.179301:57:51,450 --> 01:57:58,440Let's see here. Brian. Brian ofLondon, sent us 22,759 SATs to179401:57:58,440 --> 01:58:03,060the V for the Rube Goldbergmachine. He says weekly $10 V179501:58:03,060 --> 01:58:06,780for V donation converted fromSAS to SAS from Brian of London179601:58:06,780 --> 01:58:09,870and the hive Dao go podcasting.179701:58:13,050 --> 01:58:15,210Nice Thanks, Brian. Thank you,Brian.179801:58:16,410 --> 01:58:20,280As the chyron from the meremortals podcast 2222 through pod179901:58:20,280 --> 01:58:24,780friend and he says Insert wokeconfused voice. Quote, Adam and180001:58:24,780 --> 01:58:27,540Dave are solely in it for thefame and more importantly the180101:58:27,540 --> 01:58:31,200money. They're also ruiningpodcasting and the planet with180201:58:31,200 --> 01:58:34,320imaginary digital money that hasno value whatsoever. These two180301:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,120statements are notcontradictory, unquote.180401:58:37,980 --> 01:58:39,210And we're killing ducks.180501:58:41,910 --> 01:58:46,560Insert Chad podcasting 2.0 voicetranscripts helping the disabled180601:58:46,590 --> 01:58:50,79060 Chapter art pod pain savingthe planet V for Vigo burr180701:58:54,270 --> 01:58:54,810as for me180801:58:56,970 --> 01:59:03,000and the delimiter chemistry atblock 33 There he is. From pod180901:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,150FF Randy says howdy podcasting2.0 Team God forsake Russian181001:59:06,150 --> 01:59:10,320invaders as they forsake peacein the US God and your listeners181101:59:10,320 --> 01:59:14,310are invited to a biweeklypodcast named AI cooking spoken181201:59:14,310 --> 01:59:18,210by Gregory William Forsytheforming from Kid yo yo Thank181301:59:18,210 --> 01:59:20,610you. Thanks comics for Blogger.181401:59:22,290 --> 01:59:24,420The only ones like when's theshow you're doing the show as181501:59:24,420 --> 01:59:26,460the show live because I got aboost right now. I want to make181601:59:26,460 --> 01:59:28,530sure I get Did you receive theboost? He gets a boost. Can you181701:59:28,530 --> 01:59:29,400confirm to get the boost?181801:59:30,780 --> 01:59:34,020I like I like F Russia and alsolisten to my podcast.181901:59:35,970 --> 01:59:40,980Yeah, it's such a friendly wayof promoting it. Monthly182001:59:40,980 --> 01:59:44,010contributors. That's our booths.And yes, thank you everybody.182101:59:44,520 --> 01:59:49,950Monthly guys are a pod verse$50. Thank you pod verse. DT.182201:59:51,660 --> 01:59:55,440Chris hyperbaric $10 Andcongratulations to Chris for182301:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,280shipping. The podcast, JimmyYES. Very nice.182402:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,010Mitch Downey $10 Thank you,Mitch. Lauren ball $24.20182502:00:05,160 --> 02:00:08,160Lauren, I don't know what thatnumerology means if you can tell182602:00:08,160 --> 02:00:12,630me 24 What? $24.20 or 20?182702:00:13,710 --> 02:00:17,640I don't know. I don't knoweither. Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy182802:00:17,640 --> 02:00:23,760new $5 and David Mitas $10 ADavid, I forgot to follow up182902:00:23,760 --> 02:00:28,020with you. I was helping I washelping David with a move his183002:00:28,110 --> 02:00:31,950stuff from voltage to an Umbral,and I think it rolled off my183102:00:31,950 --> 02:00:35,220Mastodon and I forgot to goback. So ping me and I'll help183202:00:35,220 --> 02:00:36,390you if you still need up.183302:00:37,710 --> 02:00:41,730Oh, now that's, that's actuallykind of important. Okay, because183402:00:41,760 --> 02:00:46,590it's very hard when you move toa different value block183502:00:47,760 --> 02:00:52,770or node in your in your valueblock. There's so much caching183602:00:52,770 --> 02:00:55,860going on? Yeah, it's183702:00:57,150 --> 02:01:01,500because I knew when when my nodebroke, I still wanted to be able183802:01:01,500 --> 02:01:05,340to get the 1% from no agenda tosee what was coming in during183902:01:05,340 --> 02:01:05,910the184002:01:07,620 --> 02:01:10,770during the big four hourextravaganza, so I switched it184102:01:10,770 --> 02:01:15,990over to my backup node. I have asecond Umbral here. And I would184202:01:15,990 --> 02:01:21,930say probably, I don't know,maybe 40% went there and the184302:01:21,930 --> 02:01:25,770rest failed because the othernode was down. It was your split184402:01:25,770 --> 02:01:28,680your split brain at that point,you get to things happen. And184502:01:28,740 --> 02:01:33,180yeah, but it's, I don't know,just replay. It's one thing to184602:01:33,180 --> 02:01:36,150be able to replace. And I thinkwe talked about this, you know,184702:01:36,360 --> 02:01:38,070what if I just want to migrate184802:01:40,560 --> 02:01:45,900all of the curry in the keeperto a different node ID. So that184902:01:45,900 --> 02:01:48,030would have to be changed in thedatabase for every single185002:01:48,030 --> 02:01:50,820episode because I do it byepisode not by channel. Yeah.185102:01:51,150 --> 02:01:54,240And then and then apps just seemto be caching it.185202:01:55,530 --> 02:01:55,860Yeah.185302:01:57,030 --> 02:02:00,750Yeah, the cat I don't know. Asmost of the caches seem like185402:02:00,750 --> 02:02:03,840they're fairly sane. I mean,like five minutes or so. But185502:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,270then there's a couple that arealways a little confused me a185602:02:06,270 --> 02:02:07,050little bit. Yeah.185702:02:08,310 --> 02:02:10,590I don't know. Just throwing itout there.185802:02:11,880 --> 02:02:17,760Boris Berezovsky. $1. Josephmaraca $5 Mark Graham $1 Chad185902:02:17,760 --> 02:02:20,640Pharaoh $20.22. Thank you, Chad.I186002:02:22,020 --> 02:02:27,450don't know what that numerologyis either 2120 22 or 2022 is the186102:02:27,450 --> 02:02:29,850year we're in the year. Hello.Hello.186202:02:31,320 --> 02:02:34,860Yeah, I need to take my pantsback off. Oops. Loretta186302:02:34,860 --> 02:02:40,050Vandenberg. $10. Scott Jalbert.$12. In that's our group. Thank186402:02:40,050 --> 02:02:43,230you all so much. That is donethese. There's some new names in186502:02:43,230 --> 02:02:46,380here that I don't think I'veheard some new boost. Yeah, his186602:02:46,380 --> 02:02:50,100name, man. Thank you, thank youall so much for supporting the186702:02:50,100 --> 02:02:53,940project for supporting the showfor supporting the work. It goes186802:02:53,940 --> 02:02:56,160toward goes directly towardseverything we're doing.186902:02:57,870 --> 02:03:01,290The nodes, the liquidity, theservers, the polars is187002:03:01,290 --> 02:03:01,860everything.187102:03:03,120 --> 02:03:08,160And vortex, the polar vortex.And please continue to support187202:03:08,160 --> 02:03:11,280us any way you can with anythingyou want. We take time, talent187302:03:11,280 --> 02:03:14,700and treasure. It doesn't have tobe money it can be doing some187402:03:14,700 --> 02:03:18,330code can be working on thewebsite can be I mean that you187502:03:18,330 --> 02:03:21,000can participate in many, manyways we do ultimately need187602:03:21,000 --> 02:03:25,050treasure as well. But so far,we're moving ahead and we're187702:03:25,050 --> 02:03:27,780breaking even so we feel prettygood about it. And we can always187802:03:27,780 --> 02:03:32,580just shut down shit. Go fromfrom nine to seven polars. Okay,187902:03:32,580 --> 02:03:35,640so it's a little slower. Itshould be okay. It's dynamic.188002:03:35,640 --> 02:03:37,710That way we can scale itdynamically.188102:03:39,480 --> 02:03:44,670jpg got it? I got an ISO. Oh,you want to drop that one? Yeah,188202:03:44,760 --> 02:03:48,150a premium experience on quant.188302:03:50,760 --> 02:03:54,240It's a premium experience.That's what it was. Yes, we are188402:03:54,240 --> 02:04:00,510a premium experience. We are.Unquote. Okay. The Yeah. JpT. So188502:04:01,170 --> 02:04:06,180this is a proposal upon thenamespace. And if you are so188602:04:06,180 --> 02:04:10,200inclined and feel a technicalbent toward it, I would suggest188702:04:10,200 --> 02:04:11,760that some that you go read it.188802:04:13,260 --> 02:04:15,090The The idea here188902:04:16,440 --> 02:04:20,280is that at some point in thefuture we're going to need and189002:04:20,280 --> 02:04:22,980this is not just applicable tolightning, by the way this is189102:04:23,010 --> 02:04:26,250this is applicable to a lot.Lots of things. This is meant to189202:04:26,250 --> 02:04:28,530be sort of a generic payment189302:04:29,790 --> 02:04:36,060receipt. So we can mentionedearlier that if you were going189402:04:36,060 --> 02:04:40,950to do certain things that reallyrequired you imagine something189502:04:40,950 --> 02:04:43,470like an open subscription, whichis which is what we've been189602:04:43,470 --> 02:04:47,310working on. We talked about atthe dev meeting the other day, a189702:04:47,310 --> 02:04:49,410way to do an open subscriptionmechanism.189802:04:51,330 --> 02:04:56,220Open Standards, such a way ofsaying okay, yes, I am a paying189902:04:56,220 --> 02:04:59,100subscriber to this podcast ifyou wanted to pay while your190002:04:59,100 --> 02:04:59,730podcast190102:05:02,220 --> 02:05:05,580Well, if you're going to claimthat you are a that you are a190202:05:05,580 --> 02:05:12,000subscriber, you could, you wouldneed some sort of payment190302:05:12,660 --> 02:05:19,170verification or a cryptographicreceipt to show that you hear190402:05:19,230 --> 02:05:22,080this is there's my here's myreceipt, I'm showing you that190502:05:22,080 --> 02:05:25,590I'm not a valid purchaser,right. It's the it's the missing190602:05:25,590 --> 02:05:29,850piece of the of keys and boostergrams is, you know, it just190702:05:29,850 --> 02:05:32,700shows up, you don't really knowwho it's from, except for an190802:05:32,700 --> 02:05:37,140alias that used to this would bethe kind of the doing the190902:05:37,140 --> 02:05:39,240invoice in reverse. Is that Isthat fair?191002:05:40,260 --> 02:05:43,140Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Beaware. That's a good yeah, the191102:05:43,140 --> 02:05:47,010invoice in reverse. So you didthe invoice, the invoice Creator191202:05:47,010 --> 02:05:51,570knows they got paid, but thepayer cam can prove show, right?191302:05:51,570 --> 02:05:55,230I can't prove it. They can'tprove it was them, right. And so191402:05:55,230 --> 02:06:00,750this is a this is a way to dothat. And then you could say,191502:06:00,780 --> 02:06:05,880Okay, I've got I now have thiscryptographic receipt. And I can191602:06:05,880 --> 02:06:09,150use that for fill in the blank,like what in your example would191702:06:09,150 --> 02:06:15,030be, I'm going to, I'm going toprove that I just paid you and191802:06:15,030 --> 02:06:19,140therefore now I get this badgeor something. And I mean,191902:06:20,820 --> 02:06:24,300this is where my mind goes,immediately love this.192002:06:24,600 --> 02:06:28,830leaderboards. Who was of course,just forget,192102:06:29,940 --> 02:06:33,450for a moment, everyone has tohave buy in it's you're allowed192202:06:33,450 --> 02:06:36,900to publish it. But I would loveto know who the biggest192302:06:36,900 --> 02:06:40,320supporters are of an episode orpodcast, and I'm listening to.192402:06:40,590 --> 02:06:44,520And quite honestly, I'd alsothen like to know what else that192502:06:44,520 --> 02:06:48,270person has supported. You wantto talk about a rating system.192602:06:48,690 --> 02:06:52,380This is ratings. This is ratingswith money. This is very smart.192702:06:53,190 --> 02:06:55,470Yeah, and you can you canimagine opting it you know,192802:06:55,470 --> 02:06:57,930like, as a listener, you'reopting in as a here's, here's192902:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,710all my, I'm just going to kindof shuffle all my receipts to193002:07:01,710 --> 02:07:04,500you so that you can see this,this leaderboard, and I can193102:07:04,500 --> 02:07:09,180prove, it's almost like, almostlike Stack Overflow. You know,193202:07:09,180 --> 02:07:12,660where you like, up vote peoplethat do certain things. You're193302:07:12,660 --> 02:07:15,390like, proving that you're theone that did all these things.193402:07:15,450 --> 02:07:18,990And and that can be for levelslike no agenda, we have, you193502:07:18,990 --> 02:07:22,800know, nights and we have a wholeperiod system. Also, it can be193602:07:22,800 --> 02:07:26,940used to send something back, ifyou have some kind of premium193702:07:26,940 --> 02:07:30,150prize or some other thing goingon in the show, you can then193802:07:30,150 --> 02:07:34,740send it back send something tothe person. Yes, reached out to193902:07:37,290 --> 02:07:38,970to Jake Shapiro,194002:07:40,350 --> 02:07:43,530and send him an email over atApple. He used to be a podcast194102:07:43,530 --> 02:07:44,910Republic. Now he's at Apple.194202:07:47,460 --> 02:07:52,020And just inquiring about an oldspec that they had written while194302:07:52,020 --> 02:07:56,550he was there at podcast Republicabout called pod paths. And194402:07:56,550 --> 02:07:59,010we've talked about it before.It's the open194502:08:01,020 --> 02:08:06,270Namsa social credit, just sawthat. No, no, it doesn't. It194602:08:06,270 --> 02:08:10,410could be used for that, though.Yeah. That that's a different194702:08:10,410 --> 02:08:12,900discussion that we need to have.But that'd be but that's okay.194802:08:12,900 --> 02:08:15,690Because it's completely open.You know, the social credit194902:08:15,690 --> 02:08:20,400score is only creepy if it'scontrolled by one entity or the195002:08:20,400 --> 02:08:24,330government. Otherwise, it can bea community credit score.195102:08:25,290 --> 02:08:27,930Community Credit Score. Bigdifference.195202:08:30,030 --> 02:08:32,640Yeah, I want to talk about thatnext week because the blue sky195302:08:32,640 --> 02:08:35,700stuff they came out. I don'tthink I don't think we have time195402:08:35,700 --> 02:08:38,340to talk about it today. But no,you should listen. You should195502:08:38,340 --> 02:08:41,610listen to Dave whiners podcastabout it this morning. No, did195602:08:41,610 --> 02:08:46,350he tweet? He did a 20 minutepodcast, just for Jack Dorsey.195702:08:47,730 --> 02:08:51,750No spoilers spoiler spoiler,it's never gonna work.195802:08:53,280 --> 02:08:58,980Well, it may not. And you know,who knows? But so you can195902:08:58,980 --> 02:08:59,820imagine that196002:09:01,590 --> 02:09:04,650that you have this, you havethis tote, you know, this196102:09:04,650 --> 02:09:10,020payment token. And then you cantake you know, you can take that196202:09:10,020 --> 02:09:13,290and plug it into the the opensubscription model196302:09:14,580 --> 02:09:15,150in196402:09:16,710 --> 02:09:20,700reached out to Jake to see ifhe's even if him or Apple or196502:09:20,700 --> 02:09:26,670anybody can just are interestedin working on on an open spec on196602:09:26,670 --> 02:09:31,170this. And then you can takethis, this this token and verify196702:09:31,170 --> 02:09:34,890that, um, I am I did purchase asubscription to this podcast.196802:09:35,250 --> 02:09:40,200And in the app, that app can Ican hand that off to the196902:09:41,280 --> 02:09:44,940to the to the podcast host. Andthen you don't have to have a197002:09:44,940 --> 02:09:47,640separate fee like a privatemember's only fee and also if197102:09:47,640 --> 02:09:52,140you can have the standard feedand inside that feed it has. It197202:09:52,140 --> 02:09:56,340has specific subscription onlyepisodes perhaps like bonus197302:09:56,340 --> 02:09:59,970episodes, all this stuff thatpeople like to do. And then197402:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,000You can, and those becomeunlocked as you pass the token197502:10:03,000 --> 02:10:08,130back. And what what exactly didyou want to get from Jake?197602:10:09,179 --> 02:10:13,619Just just a signal as to whetherhe's willing to pick this back197702:10:13,619 --> 02:10:17,609back up that they wrote beforehe went to Apple and continue197802:10:17,639 --> 02:10:20,519helping with it outputs? I thinkwe, yeah.197902:10:22,380 --> 02:10:26,850Nearly responsive. Not yet.Okay. Me, me No, but but I do.198002:10:26,970 --> 02:10:29,400See here's here's the thing, Ithink I think that if.198102:10:30,570 --> 02:10:34,470So, Spotify is is open accessplatform thing, which is198202:10:35,160 --> 02:10:38,400supposed to be an open spec. Imean, I understand, but really,198302:10:38,400 --> 02:10:43,050it's all about. Sure, it's anopen standard. But it's an open198402:10:43,050 --> 02:10:46,530standard that's only focused ongetting your purchase to content198502:10:46,560 --> 02:10:47,520into Spotify.198602:10:50,160 --> 02:10:54,630So, and it's this OAuthhandshake stuff going on all in198702:10:54,750 --> 02:10:59,700it. If there wasn't an openspec, it was truly neutral.198802:11:01,260 --> 02:11:06,060And I've heard that the openaccess platform spec does not198902:11:06,060 --> 02:11:10,290work all that well. Anyway, ifthere was a truly neutral, open199002:11:10,290 --> 02:11:15,420specification for pilot forsubscribable content is in this199102:11:15,510 --> 02:11:19,260simple and dependable andcryptographically secure.199202:11:20,700 --> 02:11:24,960I can see Apple doing that. Imean it because they're going to199302:11:24,960 --> 02:11:29,790make their 30%. Cut either way.And once there's an open spec, I199402:11:29,790 --> 02:11:33,270mean, like, at this point, Applejust wants to sell their199502:11:33,270 --> 02:11:37,380subscriptions. They will sellsubscriptions. They don't really199602:11:37,380 --> 02:11:39,900care whether it's through theirapp. I know. That's where I199702:11:39,900 --> 02:11:46,530disagree. I disagree. Apple isabout the whole experience, from199802:11:46,860 --> 02:11:51,720front to back. They want tocontrol the entire experience. I199902:11:51,750 --> 02:11:56,850it's I love the concept. I lovethis ideological instead of Yes,200002:11:56,880 --> 02:11:57,360well,200102:11:58,620 --> 02:12:01,560that's just what they do. Imean, they want to control the200202:12:01,560 --> 02:12:04,440whole experience. It's likeTwitter, Twitter wants to200302:12:04,440 --> 02:12:07,470control the whole experience.You can do stuff with their API,200402:12:07,470 --> 02:12:11,460but you can't control theexperience they do. So if they200502:12:11,490 --> 02:12:12,180if they had,200602:12:13,380 --> 02:12:15,090I don't know why I'm focusing onthat. But I guess just because200702:12:15,090 --> 02:12:17,820he wrote the spec, and I'm, Iwant to get his feedback on it.200802:12:18,150 --> 02:12:24,390But so if they had a way toextend their subscribable200902:12:24,390 --> 02:12:27,600content to let's just say,overcast,201002:12:28,680 --> 02:12:29,970you don't think they do it? No.201102:12:31,620 --> 02:12:37,500They won't. Look, I have 100,000Running annual bet in Satoshis,201202:12:37,500 --> 02:12:39,420that they that they'll nevercreate a201302:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,980an android version either. Iagree with that. I mean, don't201402:12:45,150 --> 02:12:47,340wait, what do you think theywould do first and Android201502:12:47,340 --> 02:12:50,880version or, or open upsubscriptions? So they work on201602:12:50,880 --> 02:12:54,840any podcast player? They need tothey need to control the201702:12:54,840 --> 02:12:58,200experience for the userfeedback? I mean, it's just201802:12:58,200 --> 02:13:01,830doesn't seem like that's Appledemand. They control it all.201902:13:01,830 --> 02:13:05,100They always have you still can'tlook at iOS.202002:13:06,300 --> 02:13:08,790You don't control the experienceand iOS.202102:13:10,140 --> 02:13:10,500True?202202:13:11,970 --> 02:13:16,110Well, by every response, we'llhave our answer. I mean, I202302:13:16,110 --> 02:13:20,280don't, I'm not not trying to, topop the balloon because I love202402:13:20,280 --> 02:13:23,670the idea. I just, I love theidea of using it for us. I don't202502:13:23,670 --> 02:13:27,270care if Apple does it or not?Well, I guess that's, I guess202602:13:27,270 --> 02:13:30,630that's what I wanted to do isreally reach out and say, Okay,202702:13:30,630 --> 02:13:33,630well, here's this spec thatexist, and I don't want to go202802:13:33,630 --> 02:13:36,630create a brand new thing. If wedon't have to, you know, can we202902:13:36,630 --> 02:13:40,530just use his spec and improveit? Well, that's, uh, yeah, I203002:13:40,530 --> 02:13:43,260want to improve it, I think whatwe would do is just take, take203102:13:43,260 --> 02:13:46,920the sort of ideas behind it, andthen just adjust it to whatever203202:13:46,920 --> 02:13:49,920we wanted it to be. Okay. And,and it would be, it would be203302:13:49,920 --> 02:13:52,290great if we could have theoriginal authors sort of on203402:13:52,290 --> 02:13:54,870board. But if we can't, thenwe'll just do our own thing. It203502:13:54,870 --> 02:13:59,310would be a huge win. If you andyou are the guy. If anyone from203602:13:59,310 --> 02:14:01,770Apple is going to reach out andsay, Hey, let's look at this.203702:14:01,800 --> 02:14:05,250You're the guy. You're the guyto convince him. I'm the guy you203802:14:05,250 --> 02:14:09,750want to get the sage baby to podsage. The pope of polars203902:14:11,790 --> 02:14:14,610I just wish they would do podping first instead of anything204002:14:14,610 --> 02:14:19,350else but that's not Jake's area.I'm sure not 100% night. I'll204102:14:19,350 --> 02:14:22,590totally agree. Yeah, that'sanother thing that we need to be204202:14:23,430 --> 02:14:23,730at.204302:14:24,870 --> 02:14:28,380At Podcast Movement We need tostart making noise about that204402:14:28,380 --> 02:14:30,480about how Apple's killing theearth.204502:14:32,130 --> 02:14:35,760That's the way to make friends.Yeah. Hey, good. Hey, you know204602:14:35,760 --> 02:14:39,660what? Good strategy they theytout their greenness all the204702:14:39,660 --> 02:14:43,470time, how all their their rareearth minerals are recycled204802:14:43,470 --> 02:14:46,110aluminum. They're doing stuffall the time, but meanwhile,204902:14:46,200 --> 02:14:49,350they might as well just bespewing diesel smoke into the205002:14:49,350 --> 02:14:54,420air 24/7 on their pollinginitiatives. Did you know that205102:14:54,420 --> 02:14:58,950pod ping is built 80% fromrecycled ocean plastic205202:15:00,690 --> 02:15:01,950Yes, I did actually.205302:15:04,890 --> 02:15:07,890They'd only kills two polar bearcubs a month. You know, we have205402:15:07,890 --> 02:15:13,410this, we have this great accounton the bot that podcast index205502:15:13,410 --> 02:15:16,350dot social. Let me just bring itup here. I want to get it right.205602:15:18,330 --> 02:15:20,640The bot is the pod ping bot.205702:15:21,690 --> 02:15:24,600I love that thing. And so itgives you that here it is. So205802:15:24,600 --> 02:15:29,130it's the pod ping stats bot. Andit gives you the stats. So it205902:15:29,130 --> 02:15:33,060says, here's the custom JSONPost report for the last day,206002:15:33,600 --> 02:15:37,890post count 3946 2.7 posts perminute, which I've seen much206102:15:37,890 --> 02:15:42,270higher. I've seen a double thatalmost total URLs 16,015 of206202:15:42,270 --> 02:15:46,260which 8081 are unique. I mean,all I want here is one206302:15:46,260 --> 02:15:51,720additional line that says twobabies the two polar bear cubs206402:15:51,720 --> 02:15:52,680were saved.206502:15:54,000 --> 02:15:59,100Or created. saved or created bypod ping. Yeah, you can totally206602:15:59,130 --> 02:16:02,340I mean, just say a how many orhow much? How much energy to206702:16:02,340 --> 02:16:06,480kill a baby polar bear cub?Yeah, we just need it. We need206802:16:06,510 --> 02:16:11,340we need a graphic with a babypolar bear floating on on a206902:16:11,340 --> 02:16:15,930piece of ice on a piece ofserver. In the Arctic? Yes. By207002:16:15,930 --> 02:16:19,290the way that that whole thing isshiny dot pod ping dash207102:16:19,290 --> 02:16:24,840stats.com is phenomenal. Yeah, Ilove that thing. I mean that207202:16:24,870 --> 02:16:27,300that's I'm gonna actually wantto put that link in the show207302:16:27,300 --> 02:16:33,030notes. That is such an excitingthing to look at. I don't this,207402:16:33,360 --> 02:16:40,020you know, it is amazing howdifficult it is to get hosting207502:16:40,020 --> 02:16:45,060companies to send a GET requestone GET request. That's all it207602:16:45,060 --> 02:16:48,300takes. Yeah. Now Now I did. Idid reach out to207702:16:49,320 --> 02:16:52,050to pod bean because we werehaving some trouble with the new207802:16:52,050 --> 02:16:56,910polar. It was getting for 29. Sothat means that's that's a207902:16:56,910 --> 02:17:00,360status code. That means too manyrequests. So we were being sort208002:17:00,360 --> 02:17:04,440of throttle throttle. They werethrottling us. Okay. I don't208102:17:04,440 --> 02:17:06,540know how long that had beengoing on. But it may have been208202:17:06,540 --> 02:17:07,170for a while.208302:17:08,820 --> 02:17:11,610So we reached out did Francohooked me up with I208402:17:12,780 --> 02:17:17,520think it's Sergio. I think it'sSergio over at pod bean. And208502:17:17,520 --> 02:17:22,710they were very responsive.Quickly whitelisted our IPs for208602:17:22,710 --> 02:17:23,580our aggregators208702:17:24,840 --> 02:17:29,340and had that fixed quick. So I'mreally appreciative to them and208802:17:30,780 --> 02:17:34,710out till I gave them you know,give them the info on piping and208902:17:34,710 --> 02:17:36,180everything. He's like, Yeah,we'll try it. You know, we'll209002:17:36,180 --> 02:17:38,670check it out. And I think he wasI think he was sincere. I think209102:17:38,670 --> 02:17:41,970he really they were I think theyactually will check it out. From209202:17:41,970 --> 02:17:44,880the way he was talking. It is itis so low.209302:17:46,020 --> 02:17:49,800It is so LICprivate.transistor.fm is also209402:17:50,310 --> 02:17:51,120pod pinging.209502:17:52,170 --> 02:17:57,570Yeah, we we do not ingest thoseingest those Yeah, because they209602:17:57,570 --> 02:18:01,290have block tags. Got it. Got it.And the blood tag, you know,209702:18:01,350 --> 02:18:04,770we're we're working on it. It's,um, hopefully hopefully it'll be209802:18:04,770 --> 02:18:08,790done for this year for PhaseFive. So Buzzsprout is number209902:18:08,790 --> 02:18:12,720one. transistor.fm number twotoday closely followed by210002:18:12,720 --> 02:18:16,110rss.com then Captivate pod surf.210102:18:17,430 --> 02:18:21,510And then any show notes.com I'mon the leaderboard.210202:18:23,130 --> 02:18:27,450caproni.fm also does does podping. That's another host.210302:18:28,590 --> 02:18:34,110Just cast. They also do do podping. I mean, there's quite a210402:18:34,110 --> 02:18:38,970few now we're almost at 6million pod pink served. Datsun210502:18:39,000 --> 02:18:42,8705,961,155210602:18:44,130 --> 02:18:45,030This is beautiful.210702:18:48,060 --> 02:18:50,550What else you got? I got to headto work here in a few minutes.210802:18:50,550 --> 02:18:54,510So what you got Saturday workDave Jones. What is this? Yes.210902:18:54,540 --> 02:18:58,590Oh, this is no good. This willnot stand is the district211002:18:58,590 --> 02:19:02,370government the freakin IRS? Oh,man. They don't hear about211102:19:02,370 --> 02:19:05,940podcasting. They do not. I thinkthat's it. I don't have any. Let211202:19:05,940 --> 02:19:07,830me see anything else on my list?211302:19:09,030 --> 02:19:12,120Man, we did a lot and there'sstill so much more to talk211402:19:12,120 --> 02:19:15,840about. suggestion for your nextvacation, just go out in the211502:19:15,840 --> 02:19:20,730backyard and fire up the grill.You know, you are so right. We211602:19:20,730 --> 02:19:25,500both were like Oh, my God, beingat home is so much nicer than211702:19:25,530 --> 02:19:28,110than where then where are we? Iwas the longest week ever. It's211802:19:28,110 --> 02:19:34,170okay. We'll, we'll The problemis I've lost confidence in the211902:19:34,260 --> 02:19:38,010in the aviation travel system.You know, that's what I was212002:19:38,250 --> 02:19:41,760mentioned to you today. I mean,like, I'm not blaming them for212102:19:41,790 --> 02:19:46,140for all of this. I mean,obviously there be the the212202:19:46,140 --> 02:19:50,250airline industry has some hasmade missteps clearly but I212302:19:50,250 --> 02:19:53,130mean, with all the lock downs, Imean, not not everything is212402:19:53,130 --> 02:19:55,200their fault. But I mean,212502:19:56,220 --> 02:19:59,460at the end of it all, if theydon't fix this212602:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,260It can really seriously damagethe airline industry. Because if212702:20:04,260 --> 02:20:08,010people don't think that they'reif people have no confidence212802:20:08,010 --> 02:20:11,520that their flights are actuallygoing to succeed in you add on212902:20:11,520 --> 02:20:16,200to that the the absorbent costof flying today. I mean, people213002:20:16,200 --> 02:20:20,550just start to they'll just optout. I mean, they they were213102:20:20,550 --> 02:20:25,860going to Chicago in May, at theend of May. Me and my wife and213202:20:25,860 --> 02:20:30,090my daughter, were going up therelike end of May to see a213302:20:30,090 --> 02:20:32,700Shakespeare play and do someother things for the weekend.213402:20:33,180 --> 02:20:37,110And I looked at the, at theflight even for three people. It213502:20:37,110 --> 02:20:41,250was like nearly two grand for aroundtrip flight. And we're213602:20:41,250 --> 02:20:45,030like, we're like now we're justdraft. Okay, so just briefly on213702:20:45,030 --> 02:20:48,270this because I do know a lotabout what's going on. First of213802:20:48,270 --> 02:20:51,030all, in the United States, andmost countries, the aviation213902:20:51,030 --> 02:20:52,860industry is pretty muchgovernment.214002:20:54,030 --> 02:20:55,620subsidized, so.214102:20:56,670 --> 02:21:00,780And they got a lot a lot ofbailout money during the lock214202:21:00,780 --> 02:21:03,510downs here in the United States.And so did the aircraft214302:21:03,510 --> 02:21:07,260manufacturers, just hundreds ofbillions of dollars went into214402:21:07,260 --> 02:21:12,780them. The problem is four yearssince I've been tracking it 2008214502:21:13,170 --> 02:21:17,280The aviation the government,part of the aviation industry214602:21:17,430 --> 02:21:21,690has wanted to push throughsomething called Next Gen. And214702:21:21,690 --> 02:21:26,730next gen is basically selfflying planes. No pilots,214802:21:26,730 --> 02:21:28,770because you know, pilots areidiots. They're no good. You214902:21:28,770 --> 02:21:32,460don't need pilots. Pilots havebeen disrespected in the215002:21:32,460 --> 02:21:36,270industry for decades. You'restarting pilot, you've you've215102:21:36,270 --> 02:21:41,700put 100 grand into your, yourtransportation license, airline215202:21:41,700 --> 02:21:45,960transportation license, you havethis debt, you're gonna go work215302:21:45,990 --> 02:21:49,380start off at a regional airline,you're gonna make about 25 to215402:21:49,380 --> 02:21:53,400$30,000 a year. I'm not kidding.And then you can work your way215502:21:53,400 --> 02:21:56,640up from there into below thepoverty line. Yes, sir. Oh,215602:21:56,640 --> 02:22:00,450yeah. And you're gonna sleep inshitty hotel rooms with or the215702:22:00,450 --> 02:22:04,140kind of like, apartments thatyou may rent with five or six215802:22:04,140 --> 02:22:07,740different air crew and there'llbe five or six people sleeping215902:22:07,740 --> 02:22:11,010there overnight. It's a very,very tough existence. You have216002:22:11,010 --> 02:22:14,340to love flying. So they aredisrespected.216102:22:16,230 --> 02:22:18,960You know, there's always beendisputes about pay, they have216202:22:18,960 --> 02:22:23,130pretty strong pilots union. Andthen when the lockdowns came,216302:22:23,790 --> 02:22:27,420and the mandates vaccinationmandates, which is very personal216402:22:27,420 --> 02:22:30,540to pilots, you know, and there'sa lot of issues with what people216502:22:30,540 --> 02:22:33,030will put in their bodies whenthey have to self declare they216602:22:33,030 --> 02:22:37,890feel good or not. And so manypilots retired a lot and just216702:22:37,890 --> 02:22:40,500said, Fuck it, I'm not going todo it anymore. We will need216802:22:40,500 --> 02:22:44,46060,000 pilots in the UnitedStates over the next two years.216902:22:44,520 --> 02:22:49,830They're not there. They're notbeing trained. Neal now airlines217002:22:49,830 --> 02:22:52,890are starting to come up withsome incentives. So it's broken.217102:22:53,220 --> 02:22:56,130And I don't think it's comingback. And what's worse is the US217202:22:56,130 --> 02:23:00,570government is doing that sameold thing. This a lot. You know217302:23:00,570 --> 02:23:03,180what we're going to do highspeed rail. They've always217402:23:03,180 --> 02:23:05,760wanted to get rid of aviation.Yep, they're gonna do it again.217502:23:05,760 --> 02:23:08,970They're gonna do high speedrail. The President Biden is217602:23:08,970 --> 02:23:12,210talking about it again, justimagine coast to coast and the217702:23:12,210 --> 02:23:15,450same amount of time it takes tofly to their fencing in this217802:23:15,450 --> 02:23:20,700thing for since Obama sinceObama was Obama pushed it really217902:23:20,700 --> 02:23:22,740hard. Remember that you don'thave to take off your shoes when218002:23:22,740 --> 02:23:27,270taking the train. Yeah, and noneof it, it all vapor. I mean, I'm218102:23:27,270 --> 02:23:31,650sure a lot of people got moneyfor, you know, analysis and218202:23:31,740 --> 02:23:34,950spec, you know, specking it outand doing evaluations of the218302:23:34,950 --> 02:23:37,290land and everything. And thennothing ever happened know that218402:23:37,290 --> 02:23:41,340they were going to do LosAngeles to San Francisco, high218502:23:41,340 --> 02:23:42,060speed rail.218602:23:43,350 --> 02:23:46,260It was going to cost there'sgoing to cost like, I think $8218702:23:46,260 --> 02:23:46,590billion.218802:23:47,730 --> 02:23:50,190They finally made it toBakersfield. And it's cost218902:23:50,220 --> 02:23:52,71080 $80 billion dollars.219002:23:53,880 --> 02:23:59,700I'm shocked. Oh, yeah. And thisis stunning. Yeah, of course. So219102:23:59,730 --> 02:24:04,050just like everything else, Ibelieve aviation will change. I219202:24:04,050 --> 02:24:08,100can already see it happening. Wewill see new types of aircraft219302:24:08,100 --> 02:24:10,320which are incredibly efficientto fly219402:24:11,760 --> 02:24:15,870and will be able to fly youknow, 668 passengers.219502:24:17,070 --> 02:24:21,120These will be dedicated routes,where you'll pay pretty much219602:24:21,120 --> 02:24:24,900what you pay for a full fareticket. You're not a discounted219702:24:24,900 --> 02:24:28,740ticket. And then these you know,there will be places you can go219802:24:28,740 --> 02:24:32,760and it will be a decentralizedsystem. Maybe people will start219902:24:32,760 --> 02:24:36,870to connect you know, we have avery mature private jet220002:24:37,230 --> 02:24:41,220infrastructure in United Statesthat's unaffordable for it's220102:24:41,220 --> 02:24:44,190just unaffordable. But we willget this for smaller aircraft,220202:24:44,310 --> 02:24:47,430and we and it will work andpeople will start using it but220302:24:47,430 --> 02:24:49,740the big airlines, I think that'sbroken220402:24:50,970 --> 02:24:55,290and I will never fly again.Well, here's one thing. So my220502:24:55,290 --> 02:24:59,670dad's internment is, is thisweekend in Armonk, New York.220602:25:00,359 --> 02:25:03,599And we're flying on Friday. ButI think I want to do the same220702:25:03,599 --> 02:25:06,899thing I want to do our showThursday night after no agenda220802:25:06,899 --> 02:25:10,829so we can stay overnight at theairport because I it's going to220902:25:10,829 --> 02:25:15,539be a frickin Friday to fly toNew York is going to be a221002:25:15,539 --> 02:25:16,619disaster.221102:25:19,410 --> 02:25:23,790Yeah, I mean, that's, that'sthat's where it gets hard221202:25:23,790 --> 02:25:27,540because then you got some thingsthat you just you, you there's221302:25:27,540 --> 02:25:29,790really no alternative. I mean,you What are you going to drive221402:25:29,790 --> 02:25:33,69026 hours to get? No, no. I mean,it's just not possible. No, I221502:25:33,690 --> 02:25:41,880mean, I if if you have sixpeople, it becomes reasonable to221602:25:41,910 --> 02:25:44,760rent on a Thursday night or doyou want to do it Saturday221702:25:44,760 --> 02:25:47,490morning like we're doing now?No, no, no, because this is no221802:25:47,490 --> 02:25:49,230Saturday is the actualinternment.221902:25:50,460 --> 02:25:54,270Oh, you're gonna be gone? Yeah,no. So the deal is we fly222002:25:54,270 --> 02:25:59,760Friday. Christina, my daughteris coming in from from Holland.222102:25:59,760 --> 02:26:03,690So we're supposed to meet at theairport in JFK. Hopefully that222202:26:03,690 --> 02:26:07,920all works. You haven't seen herin like three years? No, no, no,222302:26:07,920 --> 02:26:10,980I was there for her birthdaylast year. But I can't go back.222402:26:11,730 --> 02:26:13,320I can't get into the countryanymore.222502:26:14,730 --> 02:26:18,600Because of vaccinationrequirements. So she's coming222602:26:18,630 --> 02:26:22,710and then we're going to go intothe city we're going to see my222702:26:22,710 --> 02:26:25,680stepdaughter and then we'regoing to fly back to Texas222802:26:25,680 --> 02:26:29,340Christina is coming back to usand and then she'll stay for a222902:26:29,340 --> 02:26:32,340few days and then she goes backso it's gonna be great but and223002:26:32,340 --> 02:26:37,230I'm going to be doing no agendafrom from the road on that223102:26:37,230 --> 02:26:39,780Sunday. But Saturday is theactual223202:26:41,280 --> 02:26:43,740blowing dust around stuff. Yeah.223302:26:45,930 --> 02:26:53,430Well, I got in by the way, I'mon one on one gig fibre now. So223402:26:53,430 --> 02:26:56,970No kidding. Yeah, man arestable. We're223502:26:58,230 --> 02:27:01,590on the wire. Yeah. Well, I'mstill basically dial up here in223602:27:01,590 --> 02:27:05,100the hill country, but you'rehere. You're you're saying that223702:27:05,100 --> 02:27:07,560you were doing no agenda fromthe road? I was like, Oh, crap223802:27:07,560 --> 02:27:09,990hotel Wi Fi and yeah. Oh, yeah.It's always fun.223902:27:11,370 --> 02:27:15,030Okay, well, Thursday night.Yeah. Hey, man. This was long224002:27:15,030 --> 02:27:18,150but good update. I think we kindof caught up on stuff. Yeah.224102:27:18,660 --> 02:27:22,410Back and yes, you know, worsefor the wear. Alright, man, I224202:27:22,410 --> 02:27:24,480know you're working today. Sohave a good one. That kind of224302:27:25,980 --> 02:27:29,010everybody. That's it for a boardmeeting podcasting. 2.0 Join us224402:27:29,010 --> 02:27:32,580again next Friday. We'll have itup for you on time. Have a great224502:27:32,580 --> 02:27:34,020weekend. Talk to you soon.224602:27:49,950 --> 02:27:54,510You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast224702:27:54,510 --> 02:27:57,060index.org for more information.224802:27:59,730 --> 02:28:00,690Experience