Episode 81: Nodes of Joy

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,760 Oh, podcasting 2.0 For April 9 2020, to Episode 81 We've got 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:06,960 notes of joy. 3 00:00:11,010 --> 00:00:13,620 Yeah, I've got a report from the front lines you see. Hello, 4 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,920 everybody. Welcome to podcasting 2.0. This is the official board 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,280 meeting 6 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:21,150 of podcasting to point out where we discuss the podcast 7 00:00:21,150 --> 00:00:24,960 standards. We talk about everything happening at podcast 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,020 index dot social, and of course, a report from the front lines of 9 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:31,980 the value for value. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the 10 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:35,130 Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the pope of polars. My 11 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:37,500 friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, please say hello 12 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:44,100 to Mr. Dave Jones. The polar code? Yes. Yeah, you are the 13 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:48,270 pope of polars. I feel like a real podcaster for the first 14 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:51,990 time in my life, but Right, right, this very minute. Okay, 15 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:56,190 let's, let's, let's explore this feeling. It's it's really 16 00:00:56,190 --> 00:00:57,750 simple. not complicated at all. 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,000 I put on pants, like 30 minutes before the show started. 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,550 Now, you know, I mean, you'll you'll get used to just not even 19 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:11,820 doing that. I mean, obviously, I'm not wearing my pants because 20 00:01:11,820 --> 00:01:15,780 you know, I'm a veteran veteran. podcaster okay, you're a newbie, 21 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:19,080 though. I'm glad you have that feeling. I really struggled with 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:19,560 it. I was like, 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,760 in my in my pajamas, or don't want to actually put on pants. 24 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:27,030 And the pants worn out. I was like, you know, I want to feel 25 00:01:27,030 --> 00:01:31,470 like a professional. I'm a fan. We're live. We're live 26 00:01:31,470 --> 00:01:35,730 streaming. And I think it's still curio cast are the one 27 00:01:35,730 --> 00:01:38,730 that has all the signaling anyone else implement that? 28 00:01:38,730 --> 00:01:43,920 Yeah. No, that's a problem to me. Like this. Live needs to be 29 00:01:43,950 --> 00:01:49,050 in everything. Everything. Yeah, well, I mean, we're just getting 30 00:01:49,050 --> 00:01:51,870 started. So people need to see the beauty of it. And of course, 31 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:55,500 the helipad is live, you want to boost? While we're doing this. 32 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:58,950 And we are one day late for our regular board meeting, which is 33 00:01:58,950 --> 00:02:02,490 something I don't like doing at all. People tend to schedule 34 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:04,170 their lives around podcasts. 35 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:11,250 Which is no, this is the first week that since we've been doing 36 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:15,720 this show that I've really wished that we had did it was 37 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,080 like twice a week, because there was so much stuff. I mean, we 38 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,430 just got a pile of things here. And I felt like a lot of reading 39 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:24,150 like a lot of 40 00:02:25,170 --> 00:02:29,850 spec specs and protocols and all this in proposals and there's 41 00:02:29,850 --> 00:02:34,350 just so much going on this week and your as your escapades 42 00:02:34,350 --> 00:02:37,230 around know, around the world. Yeah. Like 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,950 how am i How deep are we? Okay? 44 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:48,630 How far am I allowed to ask you about your vacation? Oh, as much 45 00:02:48,630 --> 00:02:52,650 as you open for business, of course. I mean, I don't I don't 46 00:02:52,650 --> 00:02:56,010 want to pre you know, preempt the no agenda show tomorrow. So 47 00:02:56,010 --> 00:02:57,390 I didn't want to get too deep. 48 00:02:58,410 --> 00:02:58,680 But 49 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:02,070 please 50 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:10,290 ask me ask me. I care. I'm ready to tell tales. Number one, on a 51 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:17,880 on a scale of one to 10 Overall, the C one being a go into the 52 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,130 dentist in 10 being like the greatest vacation you've ever 53 00:03:23,130 --> 00:03:25,680 had. What was what? Write this? 54 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:33,360 It's it didn't qualify as a vacation. I'm more tired now 55 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,980 than before I left. I think that was my first comment. Like hey, 56 00:03:37,980 --> 00:03:41,820 do you need a vacation? Yes, I do. I'll just explain briefly 57 00:03:41,820 --> 00:03:45,120 what happened we were supposed to go to Aruba. This was 58 00:03:46,770 --> 00:03:51,000 we wanted to go to an island we wanted it to be you know not too 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,810 far away. We just wanted to be the resort just chill out just 60 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:57,690 be served drinks on the beach. That's basically all we care 61 00:03:57,690 --> 00:04:02,700 about. And we booked everything well in advance and you know 62 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:06,000 Tina had she likes to plan all the Okay, we're gonna do the 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,280 dinner on the beach and we're gonna do this and that tequila 64 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,820 to not tequila tasting was wrong or whatever. And we'll have this 65 00:04:11,820 --> 00:04:14,490 restaurant and she has all outfits planned and you know 66 00:04:14,490 --> 00:04:17,700 because we do it once a year we do a big trip because I have to 67 00:04:18,030 --> 00:04:22,470 do best of shows and it's you know, we can we travel we can 68 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:25,200 travel frequently, but you know, then I'm always working. I'm 69 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,650 always taking the rig with me I'm always prepping etc. Now 70 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:30,900 there's the dog's time you didn't do any of that you didn't 71 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:34,620 really get or anything No, no, I mean, I Well, I still had to 72 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:37,980 best of shows that I had to upload you know, gotta gotta do 73 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:41,010 the RSS feed got to hit the pod ping got to do the tweaks. But 74 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:43,950 that's that's okay. And it's like a half hours worth of work 75 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,910 two times during the vacation. But it's just it's more that I 76 00:04:47,910 --> 00:04:51,510 don't have to be paying attention everything the world 77 00:04:51,510 --> 00:04:54,540 will still be there when I get back is you know, so I don't 78 00:04:54,540 --> 00:04:56,430 have to be looking at what's going on. 79 00:04:57,870 --> 00:04:59,970 So we had a we 80 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,780 Now we knew that the airports could be busy knowing that from 81 00:05:03,780 --> 00:05:07,440 our no agenda producers, you never want to book something in 82 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,870 the last week of the month because of the shortage of 83 00:05:09,870 --> 00:05:13,470 pilots. When they run out of their 100 hours a month, that's 84 00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:17,670 when flights get canceled. And we and we saw massive problems, 85 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:22,560 especially at Austin. Bergstrom, people were abandoning their 86 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,770 rental cars. This was a couple days before we were supposed to 87 00:05:25,770 --> 00:05:28,380 leave and we were gonna leave from San Antonio's nicer, nice 88 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:31,410 airport. ominous sign, by the way, right. 89 00:05:32,490 --> 00:05:37,020 And it was American Airlines. So we are just about to get in the 90 00:05:37,020 --> 00:05:40,710 car at 3am. And by the way, so Thursday, I did no agenda than 91 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:44,310 you and I did the board meeting. I slept for a couple hours and 92 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:48,510 boom, we're in the car. Just getting into the car flight 93 00:05:48,510 --> 00:05:52,320 canceled. We've rebooked you for tomorrow. So we're already like 94 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,000 holy crap, okay. And, and there's no other routing. 95 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,610 There's nothing else to do. And then we're supposed to go from 96 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:03,480 Miami to Miami, Miami to Aruba and they rebooked us for the 97 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,140 next day on 98 00:06:07,140 --> 00:06:07,920 Saturday 99 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,780 through North Carolina, okay. Okay. So, 100 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,470 you know, and but no, of course I'm up until like six you're 101 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:19,530 talking to airlines and trying to figure everything out. So a 102 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,680 little tired, but then we get up the next day. I mean, we're 103 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,150 getting up to get in the car at three 315 Boom flight canceled 104 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,750 the flight from North Carolina to Aruba. Don't worry, we'll fly 105 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:32,970 to North Carolina you stay two nights and then you can still 106 00:06:32,970 --> 00:06:37,470 get to Aruba. And we look at each other like nah, this is not 107 00:06:37,470 --> 00:06:41,490 gonna happen. And this is a disappointment. So we go we go 108 00:06:41,490 --> 00:06:44,490 back. Now we just like talking Let's just sleep for a little 109 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:47,730 bit. And to what what can we do? We just wanted to just want to 110 00:06:47,730 --> 00:06:51,990 beach. Let's just go to Florida. Very difficult to find anything 111 00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:55,560 that was even affordable, strangely enough. So we wind up 112 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,020 at a Marriott place in Fort Lauderdale. I know. It's, it 113 00:07:01,020 --> 00:07:05,250 sounds exactly as what it was. It was hanging hanging out right 114 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:08,490 there for a second though. When you say hard to find anything 115 00:07:08,490 --> 00:07:12,660 even even affordable. Is that because like that mean? That's 116 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:18,750 all lack of staff and inflation and as Yes. Well, the prices is 117 00:07:18,750 --> 00:07:21,600 inflation. If you want a 118 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,830 like a room that you want to stay in for a few days, a 119 00:07:25,830 --> 00:07:31,860 minimum $800 A Night at any kind of reasonably quality Hotel. Now 120 00:07:31,890 --> 00:07:34,710 you want to go upscale you want to go four seasons, two and a 121 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:38,880 half $1,000 A night that's not a sweet night. Yep. 122 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,920 But but but that wasn't even the price of that. And I'll tell you 123 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,650 we were in the Ritz Carlton which is owned by Marriott it's 124 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,850 it's yeah, it used to be a really big name it's okay. The 125 00:07:50,850 --> 00:07:55,080 staff that was there was phenomenal. They actually saved 126 00:07:55,110 --> 00:08:00,540 anything for us. But I mean the the rooms Weren't they had no 127 00:08:00,540 --> 00:08:05,520 staff they the nothing was clean the the pool area was not 128 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:08,550 nothing was was just dirty. There's cigarette butts 129 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:12,030 everywhere takes forever to get anybody to even bring you even 130 00:08:12,030 --> 00:08:15,510 ask if you want to drink. I mean, it was it was the longest 131 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:21,660 four days ever. It was just like and by the way we so in order to 132 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:25,800 get there we had to go to Austin stay at the airport Hilton Hotel 133 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:31,200 to be in line at 4am for the two and a half hours to get through 134 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,160 security because they don't have any. There's not enough TSA 135 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,460 agents they need 100 Extra agents in Austin they can't get 136 00:08:38,460 --> 00:08:42,900 people to work. So this is the collapse of the system it is 137 00:08:42,930 --> 00:08:45,870 upon us Yeah, this is 138 00:08:47,340 --> 00:08:49,620 this is what I think this is what I said to you the other day 139 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:53,490 lesson learned to do not take a vacation during the during the 140 00:08:53,550 --> 00:08:58,170 downfall of civilization. And I didn't I actually thought and I 141 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,720 joked about it said well I didn't let's go now because I 142 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,270 think she's gonna start falling apart pretty soon and it came 143 00:09:03,270 --> 00:09:07,350 before I even expected it and everyone's talking about it 144 00:09:07,650 --> 00:09:12,720 everybody like people just don't want to work and I understand 145 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,230 because you know what wound up wound up happening is so we're 146 00:09:16,230 --> 00:09:19,920 kind of like this is sucks and Tina to schedule the full day of 147 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,030 massage and everything and he said why don't you once you call 148 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:27,660 once you call max and Stacy if you can still get on that panel 149 00:09:28,710 --> 00:09:34,170 at the Bitcoin 2022 Which, you know, they had asked me but I 150 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:37,260 declined because we're on vacation. I was I was supposed 151 00:09:37,260 --> 00:09:41,760 to go anyway, but I just needed the break so far already have so 152 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,760 we already had tickets like yeah, we bought tickets last 153 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,210 year. Yeah. And I couldn't. I couldn't go because it's it's 154 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,450 right in the heart of crunch time of Texas. Right. And then 155 00:09:51,450 --> 00:09:54,900 you and then you ended up having a conflict with your vacation. 156 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,990 So we ended up we had the tickets but we couldn't go so 157 00:09:57,990 --> 00:09:59,970 you felt you were like able to fall back 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Have you already had a ticket? Yes. 159 00:10:03,419 --> 00:10:07,019 And so, Max and Stacy were like, Oh, this is great. We'd love to 160 00:10:07,019 --> 00:10:09,389 Okay, fantastic. We'll take care of you. We'll get you over 161 00:10:09,389 --> 00:10:09,629 there. 162 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:19,470 As so the panel was bitcoin is fu money. And it was it was 163 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:24,030 this. This I guess, Boxer who's from Cameroon but I think he 164 00:10:24,030 --> 00:10:24,840 boxes in. 165 00:10:26,490 --> 00:10:30,030 In Vegas. He's a big attract. He's very famous. They're in a 166 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:36,060 world. His His arm was bigger than my head. St. Francis, very 167 00:10:36,060 --> 00:10:39,030 nice guy. But he was on crutches so you could probably easily 168 00:10:39,060 --> 00:10:44,880 easily. Now funny enough Dave Portnoy from Barstool Sports. He 169 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,840 was supposed to be on the panel. And then me and right before we 170 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,560 started, 171 00:10:50,910 --> 00:10:53,310 Portnoy just said, I don't feel like it. And he just he just 172 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:57,030 said, No, I'm not going to do it. Which was really odd. Oh, so 173 00:10:57,030 --> 00:11:00,210 he was there. He just he was oh, yeah, he's just like, Man, I 174 00:11:00,210 --> 00:11:03,180 want to do it. Now. Well, they're big. They're big podcast 175 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:03,690 publisher. 176 00:11:05,730 --> 00:11:08,640 Thank you sold Barstool Sports I'm not quite sure I don't know 177 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,750 exactly your story. 178 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,160 But I don't know I don't know why he Why didn't want to show 179 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,910 it. So yeah, there's a there's a YouTube video that people can 180 00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:21,210 can see that but but more important to me and that was 181 00:11:21,210 --> 00:11:28,170 really the reason to go is Roy breeze I was in town and and I 182 00:11:28,170 --> 00:11:31,320 love just sitting down with Roy and hanging out with him and 183 00:11:31,530 --> 00:11:36,270 getting the an alternative view to the world of lightning and 184 00:11:36,270 --> 00:11:42,180 Bitcoin to what I think we typically hear in like the 185 00:11:42,270 --> 00:11:48,000 venture funded land roll is like he's like the PhD of Bitcoin. 186 00:11:48,210 --> 00:11:49,680 Like just didn't 187 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,090 say lightning. I mean, really, like lightning is so his 188 00:11:54,090 --> 00:11:57,030 wheelhouse and he just knows what yet all the players what 189 00:11:57,030 --> 00:12:02,880 everybody's doing. And, but also there were I knew that Oscar 190 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,610 Mary would be there. So I also wanted to connect with Oscar so 191 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:09,240 we could chat about comments and booster grams, etc. 192 00:12:10,890 --> 00:12:13,170 So but getting it the conference, this is the this is 193 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:14,940 what I really want everyone to know. 194 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:20,340 I would just walk through just from what I couldn't walk, 195 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:24,540 people kept stopping me and saying, Hey, man, podcasting. 196 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:28,980 2.0 Which was cool. On one hand was really great. On the other 197 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:31,530 hand, I wish they were talking more about value for value. 198 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,060 You know, but just, um, just identifying what it was. It was 199 00:12:36,090 --> 00:12:39,540 it was so crazy. And I think the reason why people were stopping 200 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:43,470 me is because I saw you on Rogan, right? Sorry on Rogen. 201 00:12:43,650 --> 00:12:45,030 Yeah, you almost orange pilled him 202 00:12:49,410 --> 00:12:53,070 but, you know, so then I'm hanging out with Roy and and 203 00:12:53,070 --> 00:12:56,190 he's introducing all kinds of interesting people like the 204 00:12:56,190 --> 00:13:02,640 block stream people and, and other the guy from Bitcoin beach 205 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:04,920 and some other people. 206 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,160 And Roy will be talking about podcasting. 2.0 And these people 207 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,570 didn't even know that I was involved. 208 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:17,430 Oh, see, which is exact versus what I want, you know, different 209 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:21,960 from last year because last year when nobody knew what podcasting 210 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,840 2.0 Last year, okay, here's the difference. Last year, we stood 211 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,560 in line for two hours in the blazing heat. This year, they 212 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:33,750 gave me a pass and a whale bracelet. Nice. Which is pretty. 213 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,500 It's pretty much a emotional just put a target on my head. 214 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:41,220 That's like, hey, kidnap me or shoot me or do whatever you 215 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:44,340 know, or, Hey, we need any key managers on us. 216 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:50,160 Kidnapping insurance, right? Hate me. I just don't have one 217 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,670 that says plebs. I would much much more prefer that ring of 218 00:13:53,670 --> 00:13:54,960 fire. Yeah. 219 00:13:56,010 --> 00:14:00,660 So let me let me first talk about Oscar. 220 00:14:01,890 --> 00:14:06,090 And I forgotten okay, but let me let me let me ask you one thing 221 00:14:06,090 --> 00:14:07,590 real quick. Yeah. Oscar. 222 00:14:08,910 --> 00:14:11,040 Is he tall or short? 223 00:14:12,570 --> 00:14:15,180 He's about in between you and I. 224 00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:20,880 Okay, all right. Okay, so he's standard SAS. He's standard 225 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,650 issue. Yes. And I forget his, his business partners name. I 226 00:14:25,650 --> 00:14:28,620 feel like an idiot now. Nice guy. 227 00:14:30,330 --> 00:14:36,120 Nick, Nick. Want to say was just to set the stage here. So 228 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,330 actually, let me go back for a second. So and I'll talk about 229 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:45,420 what was Roy and I had lunch and we learned a lot and a lot of 230 00:14:45,420 --> 00:14:49,140 cool shit to discuss. And then we went back and I said, Roy, 231 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,170 why don't you just come with me and go to the and stay in the 232 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:54,600 green room. And so you can sit there there's there's drinks, 233 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,820 it's you know, there's good. There's a great TV. You don't 234 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:58,950 have to sit in the audience to sit back here and watch it all. 235 00:14:58,950 --> 00:14:59,460 It's cool. 236 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,470 He's like, fantastic. And this was, you know, they had a proper 237 00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:07,680 greenroom. It was a very, very big venues. And it was 238 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:10,860 incredible to see all the technology they had for video of 239 00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:15,990 every single stage it was, this thing is big and well done. And 240 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,450 so we do the do the panel, and it's 25 minutes and I get off 241 00:15:21,450 --> 00:15:24,180 the stage and there's Roy, let's say, What do you think, man? He 242 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:28,770 said, Well, I saw only the first five minutes because then Jack 243 00:15:28,770 --> 00:15:32,580 Mahler's security detail came in and said everybody has to leave 244 00:15:32,580 --> 00:15:35,250 the green room. You can't be here when Jack is here. 245 00:15:36,570 --> 00:15:42,750 Whoa, and I lost my shirt. I lost my shit. I said Who the 246 00:15:42,750 --> 00:15:47,490 fuck I mean even like especially in entertainment show business 247 00:15:47,490 --> 00:15:52,530 world this is not done to green room as a safe space for all I 248 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:58,110 was just like oh my god. I was that guy all about like Joe 249 00:15:58,110 --> 00:16:01,380 Rogan has security you don't see his guys you know it's like I 250 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:04,410 have dinner with Joe is guys their buddies in the back 251 00:16:04,410 --> 00:16:07,290 somewhere you know see him and it's just it's none of this 252 00:16:07,290 --> 00:16:10,110 clearing it out or it's like what the fuck? 253 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,210 That's a little weird. Very disappointing. Very 254 00:16:15,210 --> 00:16:15,960 disappointing. 255 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:19,770 You know we were little were a little worried about that last 256 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:23,130 year with all you know, he's you know, with a Lambo and all that 257 00:16:23,130 --> 00:16:25,740 stuff. I mean, like it's there's a little bit of something going 258 00:16:25,740 --> 00:16:27,900 on there that I don't understand the only other thing I could I 259 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:30,300 could think that it is because he comes from an incredibly 260 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:31,890 powerful wealthy 261 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:37,680 commodities trading family like Chicago Board of exchange and 262 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,870 you know, that's he is his involvement and the people and 263 00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:47,310 the company's backing a strike are not by accident. So it's 264 00:16:47,310 --> 00:16:51,090 possible that this is you know, there are lots of lots of very 265 00:16:51,090 --> 00:16:55,860 wealthy families who act like this and have security details 266 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:59,130 that do this stuff because I know them so it's possible that 267 00:16:59,130 --> 00:17:01,350 it's not him making that decision he just doesn't have a 268 00:17:01,350 --> 00:17:04,560 choice this like this is always right. But I will also say all 269 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,080 of the children of those families that I know that act 270 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,780 like that turned out to be dickheads 271 00:17:11,070 --> 00:17:14,010 so he doesn't need to be careful. Doesn't need to be 272 00:17:14,010 --> 00:17:20,580 careful. Anyway, so then we then we went to the like the VIP how 273 00:17:20,580 --> 00:17:23,970 man I wish I recorded this there was a VIP lounge where you know, 274 00:17:23,970 --> 00:17:28,320 speakers lounge, and it was sponsored by some trading 275 00:17:28,350 --> 00:17:33,690 platform that does NF T's and blah blah blah. And then the CEO 276 00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:36,720 comes up to me oh my god, you would have laughed your ass off 277 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,200 at this takes it but what do you guys do? I said no podcasting to 278 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,630 point out. Oh, yeah. You know, 279 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:46,830 Norm Pattice from Westeros my best guy pockets my best friend 280 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:50,220 podcast why I do a lot of stuff with podcasts are so what are 281 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:52,980 you doing? So we do streaming payments and Bitcoin and 282 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:55,950 podcasting? 2.0 Yeah, who's making a lot of money with that? 283 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:59,130 Who did anyone making any money? To? Yeah, me. I just fucking 284 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,520 just threw it out there. Like this guy? Oh, yeah. Well, you 285 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,520 know, podcast, too, you know. Um, so what, what do you do 286 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,980 then? What do you do? So Well, first of all, I invented it. And 287 00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:13,230 it was me. It doesn't translate you have to be that I just this 288 00:18:13,230 --> 00:18:19,680 guy was such the epitome of like a venture capital aihole. 289 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:21,690 Ah. 290 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,800 And you're at that point, you're, you're looking at the 291 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,980 watch and saying I could have been in Aruba right now. I'm, 292 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:33,570 I'm looking at Roy. Roy's eyes are like, What the hell is going 293 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:34,350 on here? 294 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:37,590 So then subsequently, everywhere, Rhode Island said, 295 00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:39,450 Oh, let me hold on to the door for you. Because you're 296 00:18:39,450 --> 00:18:43,140 celebrity. Oh, let's go to lunch. But do you need an Uber 297 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:45,210 XL because you know your celebrity. 298 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,940 Got a good time. Nice. But then. So I said to Oscar and I just 299 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:53,850 partisan. Come on up here. And we sat down and we chatted great 300 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:54,390 chat. 301 00:18:56,610 --> 00:19:01,350 Oscars thought thought through all this. And did Roy and Oscar 302 00:19:01,350 --> 00:19:04,170 get get to chat? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. No, we were we were all 303 00:19:04,170 --> 00:19:07,830 chatting together. Now. It was good. It was really good. And of 304 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:12,930 course, there's going to be crossover there. Because 305 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:17,460 fountain needs a different as everybody does, we need 306 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:21,900 noncustodial wallet solutions. So that we don't have to deal 307 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:27,030 with. I mean, the way you know the way Roy explains it, to me 308 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:27,780 really, 309 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,250 anyone having an app in the store that has something like 310 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:34,920 the systems that we have is kind of a fluke. 311 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,200 Unless you unless you unless you have a money transmitter license 312 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,580 or some shit like that. So you sent me you sent me an article 313 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:48,180 that he wrote, is that public now? I mean, I said yes. So so 314 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:51,060 that I mean, that pretty much outlines what their plans are 315 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,550 well, so Exactly. So there's and also, 316 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:59,970 voltage also has a similar type, initiative and product. So okay, 317 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,930 But I'd like to explain it from from the from the breeze 318 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:09,000 perspective. And the link to the article is in the show notes. 319 00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:13,410 And what was it called? A new breeze, multiple apps remote 320 00:20:13,410 --> 00:20:16,440 odes nodes, optimal, optimal UX. 321 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:19,260 He's got let me write the titles. 322 00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:28,710 Yeah. So the basically, a breeze has always been a an LSP, a 323 00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:33,300 lightning service provider with the breeze app, as an example of 324 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:38,040 what you can do with a company that manages liquidity manages 325 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,720 channels manages the swaps from on chain and off chain, really a 326 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,380 transactional system. So not a hodling type system, but 327 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:48,870 something that you can use continuously. And when you think 328 00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:54,030 about it, for for value for value. breezes, a very 329 00:20:54,030 --> 00:20:57,990 interesting onboarding experience, because you get the 330 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:03,300 app you can buy right in the app from moon. Now, your results may 331 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:07,920 vary. But you can buy it for moon and it pops right into your 332 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,690 wallet as as lightning and good to go. So the the onboarding is 333 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,340 really nice. Now, 334 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:19,830 there's all kinds of issues with having a full node on your 335 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:22,410 mobile device. And there's lots of things that just don't work. 336 00:21:22,410 --> 00:21:25,050 And also it makes your phone hot drains your battery. 337 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:29,190 And your Android. Android is the first one to make jokes about 338 00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:32,490 this. So he's teamed up with block stream 339 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:37,470 who do the C lightning implementation? And well, very 340 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:41,400 well funded. I have no idea they have lots. No, they have lots of 341 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,220 money. I think they have something like I saw some sort 342 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:47,640 of investment thing that they had few months ago, and it was 343 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,980 like $300 million. Isn't the Wow, lots of money. Yeah. Ah, 344 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,910 when we crap, yeah, they got they got big money. 345 00:21:58,380 --> 00:21:59,100 So now, 346 00:22:00,510 --> 00:22:03,570 Roy has teamed with them. And I'm just going to get kind of 347 00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:06,120 given it in a nutshell, because the details you can go really 348 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:10,560 far down the hall. But the idea is, you do have a cloud based 349 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,280 node, 350 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:17,940 which will be able to receive any type of payment, including a 351 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:23,820 key send, even if your mobile client where you have your keys 352 00:22:23,850 --> 00:22:27,900 is not, in fact, they've all even devised a way where two 353 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:33,540 offline. Mobile devices could do a transaction offline. I mean, 354 00:22:33,540 --> 00:22:36,420 it's it's really quite incredible. The point being that 355 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:39,630 you can have all the functionality of a lightning 356 00:22:39,630 --> 00:22:42,210 service provider with all of these 357 00:22:43,470 --> 00:22:48,330 six security and responsibility of having a self hosted door 358 00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:50,220 noncustodial wallet. 359 00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:53,850 Right. So they're hosting the they're hosting the 360 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,720 infrastructure, but it's not custodial. Because you have you 361 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,120 own the keys correct. And there's and there's other things 362 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:04,770 in the receiving with HTML, CSS, and nodes and then or channels 363 00:23:04,770 --> 00:23:08,370 in the middle that makes the receiving side just as secure. I 364 00:23:08,370 --> 00:23:12,540 can't really explain it. But bottom line, what breeds so the 365 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:16,380 breeze app that we see today has always been an example of what 366 00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:20,460 you can do. But Roy's real business is he wants to provide 367 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:27,690 an API for basically the Gmail of wallets without without the 368 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,040 you know, the the lock in the spying, etc. But it should be as 369 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,270 easy as saying, I want a wallet, there's your wallet. And then 370 00:23:36,330 --> 00:23:39,240 you're good to go. Basically, everything else is taken care 371 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:39,480 of. 372 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:43,290 From what I understand it will cost you nothing, of course just 373 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:47,610 like breeze the app now, you pay in fees, like the way it should 374 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:50,760 be the way services are supposed to work. 375 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:57,270 And you know, so this will be we can spin this up for almost 376 00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:57,870 anything. 377 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,690 Interesting. That's a really that's a really cool idea. Yeah. 378 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,880 Now, is this all based on? This is based on? Is this based on 379 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,720 watch towers? Or is this the what it's called Greenlight? 380 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,880 Which is a product that 381 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:22,680 the block stream has. And it's, I think, yes, there's some 382 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Watchtower stuff in there, but 383 00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:31,620 I can't answer the question. I really can't. It. You know, we 384 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:34,170 need to get Roy on to explain it when he's when he's ready to 385 00:24:34,170 --> 00:24:37,740 explain it. What's what's there? Did he have a timeline yet? Or 386 00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:41,100 is it just well, when when he first told us about it, because 387 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:45,510 we have known that this was coming? He said six months? So 388 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:46,920 I'd say six months. 389 00:24:48,660 --> 00:24:53,550 We're still six months out. Now voltage, who we currently use 390 00:24:53,550 --> 00:24:57,060 for our for our index node and I have other nodes there and lots 391 00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:59,970 of people are using it too. So they are also 392 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,290 Going now voltage looks like, from what I'm seeing there will 393 00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:07,320 also be a lightning service provider, but seems more like on 394 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,700 an industrial scale just from the release. I mean, holy crap, 395 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:16,110 the amount of stuff that that will be done with voltage. I 396 00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:20,490 mean, it was I, did you get to meet? Do you get to meet up with 397 00:25:20,490 --> 00:25:24,180 the grandmas? Oh, no, no, because I really wanted to be in 398 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:27,420 and go out. And I thought Tina would have her day of massage 399 00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:30,000 and then by the pool, and of course, it was thunder and 400 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,890 lightning in Fort Lauderdale. 401 00:25:33,150 --> 00:25:37,680 She was in the room, which is like, I gotta go, I gotta go 402 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,740 back. I gotta go be with my girl, because she was doing 403 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,630 filter videos on on Instagram. That's you gotta go save the 404 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:46,800 woman once that's happening. 405 00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:48,990 Oh, my God, something's wrong. 406 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,630 She's 407 00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:59,160 sorry, she sent me this, this comp collage of her with no big 408 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,990 lips and exaggerated eyelashes and like, Oh, my God, my wife is 409 00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:06,900 in trouble. I have to. I actually said to Roy, I gotta 410 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:07,680 go, man, I gotta 411 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:10,290 get the intervention. So I'm terrible. 412 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,690 So I'm really excited about that, because that fixes so many 413 00:26:15,690 --> 00:26:20,850 problems for for apps. And for podcasters. I mean, imagine, 414 00:26:21,270 --> 00:26:26,100 just, hey, podcaster wallet.com, you ready to go just hit the 415 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:28,800 button, and we spin one up for you. You know, here's different 416 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,020 versions, you know, here's a, an all of the as, as I said, all of 417 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:38,070 this channel balancing all of that shit is going to go away. 418 00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:42,480 Unless you really want to do it, that's fine. We'll see that 419 00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:45,690 we'll that's the sign of a good. That's a sign of a technology. 420 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:49,770 That's that's the thing you want. So it is a thing where you 421 00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:54,450 can you can aggregate it into an industrial type product and say, 422 00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:57,930 Okay, here's we're going to provide this as a service to 423 00:26:58,530 --> 00:27:02,640 many people in a sort of semi hosted way or semi custodial 424 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,640 way, is not add on ease that works nicely with custodial. 425 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,400 It's non custodial. But it's, it's it's custodial 426 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,270 infrastructure. Without custodial ownership. Buyers, 427 00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:13,470 yes. Obviously, 428 00:27:14,490 --> 00:27:18,660 just like my Umbral node, which decided to ship the bed while I 429 00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:22,080 was in Florida, you know, I wasn't able to access it. So I 430 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,340 lost three days of payments and booths on this particular node 431 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:30,030 that can happen in any cloud infrastructure to although it's 432 00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:33,270 more likely, it'll get fixed, yeah, it'll get fixed. So that's 433 00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:36,180 kind of the beauty, the beauty of it. And it's not just if 434 00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:39,270 something is up or down. It's the liquidity and the management 435 00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:42,690 of it. That's, that's what we argue about most. And the most, 436 00:27:42,690 --> 00:27:45,540 the biggest problem is my channel, this and that, and the 437 00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:48,660 tour and whatever. Well, I've been here and I've been I've 438 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:53,340 been helping, I helped three people in Macedon DNS this week, 439 00:27:54,150 --> 00:28:00,450 with on bra line, liquidity channels, all of these things. I 440 00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:04,350 mean, it's sort of like a constant background noise of, of 441 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:07,140 the podcasting 2.0 project is trying to make sure all this 442 00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:10,500 stuff gets managed properly. And the end the promise, I think 443 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:14,130 this is the breeze promise, which I like a lot is, at any 444 00:28:14,130 --> 00:28:17,490 moment, if you want, you can take your whole kit and caboodle 445 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,870 and migrate it right over to your own home setup. See, that's 446 00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:26,400 killer. Yeah, that's killer. If you know, yeah, that's what I'm 447 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,550 saying. Or if this is the sign of a technology that meets all 448 00:28:29,550 --> 00:28:32,580 your criteria, because you can run it at scale, and make it 449 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:36,090 super easy. But then if you want it, but if you want to bail out 450 00:28:36,090 --> 00:28:39,360 and do it yourself all in an umbrella on a Raspberry Pi and 451 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,110 your home, you can do that, too. I want you you have to have both 452 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:44,820 because if you're you know a 453 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,880 podcaster in the US and part of the world is going to be at odds 454 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,650 on you all the time. You probably want to run that thing 455 00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:56,400 and you know yourself. Yeah, but in because you voted but if you 456 00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:59,490 if you're in a more open culture, then you can run it and 457 00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:02,760 have it easier. I don't know. I like this. I like the word the 458 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,660 direction this is all going. I feel really really bullish about 459 00:29:06,660 --> 00:29:09,180 it. And there were a lot of lightning announcements, you 460 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:11,970 know, all kinds of magic things will happen. You know, you pay 461 00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:15,990 for your burger with lightning and lots Now what was 462 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:16,860 interesting. 463 00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:20,820 Was this announcement from lightning labs. 464 00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:25,290 Who Yeah, who I think signed a 465 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,680 slavery contract. 466 00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:32,190 Oh, no. Yeah, well, they it was a $70 million 467 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,760 Series B. And they raised this money and the money is intended 468 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:45,300 for them to bring this Tarot product to the market. And Tarot 469 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,010 I forget what the acronym stands for. 470 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:54,240 will enable the Lightning Network to use stable coins 471 00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:57,240 while settling in Bitcoin? 472 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,490 The Tarot is it's got something to do with tap root. Yeah, I got 473 00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:07,860 it here in the show notes to 474 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,900 Tarot is calling us Tarot stable coin protocol. Yes, the taproot 475 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:20,550 asset representation overlay, it's NF t's on lightning is what 476 00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:24,270 it is. Yes. Thank you. Well, it's funny because when I said 477 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,600 to Roy, isn't this just about NF T's? He said, No, no, no, not 478 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,160 necessarily. But you know, it's, we don't know exactly what 479 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,710 stable coin is intended, or they intend to use. And I just did 480 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:41,580 what I always do. And I just go look at who where's this money 481 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:45,120 coming from? And I just wanted to share that. I wanted to share 482 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,350 that for a moment. So this is from the 483 00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:54,900 valor equity partners was the lead on this on this round. 484 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,850 Now, again, they have a very, they have a big portfolio of all 485 00:30:59,850 --> 00:31:03,060 kinds, they do food, you know, like food technology, all kinds 486 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:04,200 of stuff I'm against. 487 00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:10,740 But yeah, I just want to read the, the bio of Constantine 488 00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:14,580 Saab, who is the Managing Director and Chief Technology 489 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:19,530 Officer, which I think would be a I think that's a major player, 490 00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:24,630 wouldn't you agree? I agree. Yes. Until November 2018. Acosta 491 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:27,570 held number leadership positions at the Central Intelligence 492 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,100 Agency, including Chief Strategy Officer member of CIA's 493 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,820 corporate board Acting Assistant Director, Center, Chief of 494 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,390 Operations and other senior executive and operations 495 00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:44,430 positions, Black Ops, prior to joining the CIA in early 2001. 496 00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:48,330 Hello 911. Kosta was a consultant and entrepreneur in 497 00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:52,710 the management consulting and technology space. This is a 498 00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,120 major spook. 499 00:31:55,140 --> 00:32:00,450 This is not this is not a small spook. This is a major book. Did 500 00:32:00,450 --> 00:32:04,290 you say that he is the Chief Strategy Officer of CES Chief 501 00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:08,790 Strategy Officer member of the CIA's corporate board in Q tel. 502 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:13,620 Acting Assistant Director, acting assistant director of CIA 503 00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:20,430 and Center Chief of Operations Hey gang, now you you have a 504 00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:25,290 people need to understand this that you have you have standing 505 00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:29,760 in this area to intelligence, intelligence analysis my entire 506 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,600 my entire family. My entire family is either CIA or 507 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,010 military. Yeah, so you can spy you anytime there's spot to 508 00:32:38,010 --> 00:32:42,570 spook you win. Oh, hold on a second. I should have I should 509 00:32:42,570 --> 00:32:43,530 have had this one ready. 510 00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:48,330 I guess most people have heard this one before our spot the 511 00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:49,380 spook here it is. 512 00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:58,110 A spa the spook spot to spook everybody wants to spoon. 513 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,920 Yeah, yeah, you win. I mean, it when when it comes to spot 514 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,650 dispute, you always win. So you have standing in this area, but 515 00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:11,280 you know, it's is the Lightning Network is that now? You know, 516 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:14,370 it's the CIA now embedding with their stable coin. 517 00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:20,160 This is my question. Maybe? I don't know. I mean, it could 518 00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,360 just be coincidence. 519 00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:27,300 I love my family to you know, I have no hate. I have no hate for 520 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,390 CIA. It's just you know, it's like something that the press 521 00:33:30,390 --> 00:33:34,080 might want to pick up on. The other investors bait, Bailey 522 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,880 Gifford. Yeah. 523 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,490 Pretty interesting. Arsenal here as well. Yeah, this is this is 524 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,830 big. This is big money. And I don't know. I don't know what to 525 00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:50,220 think about it. But I hope it doesn't take them off the ball 526 00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:54,180 and bail and to where they just like, you know? Well, I do. I 527 00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:56,940 hope that I don't I don't really know, I don't know that I care 528 00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:59,910 that much. Because if you have, if you have an open 529 00:33:59,910 --> 00:34:02,340 implementation mean, the lightning protocol now exists, 530 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:05,850 and you can see anything and what I think what I think we're 531 00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:08,700 seeing, what I think we're seeing happening is lightning 532 00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:14,760 Labs is probably honing their development more towards finance 533 00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:20,520 users. And yeah, I mean, obviously just big finance, 534 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,120 maybe maybe the NF T's I don't know, according to Roy the spec, 535 00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:29,610 he says the spec is genius, to the way it was written. And so 536 00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:34,470 he's, he doesn't hate it. Roy doesn't, but Roy said Roy 537 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:38,010 worries about liquidity. So where what is the liquidity of 538 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:39,780 the Lightning Network going to be? Is that just going to be 539 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:43,740 stable coins? No, no one really knows how this whole rollout and 540 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:45,990 I don't think it's we're anywhere near this rolling out 541 00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:50,220 at all. But when you get $70 million, and it's intended to 542 00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:52,440 bring this to market, you're going to be focused on that. 543 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,310 That's just it. You have to Yeah, Where's where's the see 544 00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:56,940 lightning? 545 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,970 Seems like they're more into 546 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,480 said in what we're doing, and in that LDK to that to know that 547 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,830 the block thing? Yeah, I've not many people talking to me about, 548 00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:13,260 about blocking their and their LDK? 549 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,340 I don't know much about that. It's available, though. So it's 550 00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:20,520 not it's not. I mean, I guess what I'm saying is it's not just 551 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,550 lnd. Now, I mean, there are other Yeah. Oh, yeah, no, 552 00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:27,480 there's other implementations. Right. So I mean, it was 553 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:29,730 overall, just incredibly 554 00:35:31,770 --> 00:35:35,670 exciting to hear that this is all coming. And you know, we 555 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:38,370 knew it. It's just I think it's happening very fast. So that's 556 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:42,510 fantastic. And it's going to really open up a lot. I mean, my 557 00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:47,280 head is spinning with ideas that what we can do with with, you 558 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,670 know, really with our scriptable broadcast money. I mean, there's 559 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:53,460 just so many cool things we can start to do now. And 560 00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:59,340 I would like I mean, I can go, I can come up with ideas forever. 561 00:35:59,370 --> 00:36:00,540 I don't want to do it right now. 562 00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:05,310 Let's talk about some podcasting stuff. Well, let me tell you 563 00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:08,820 about the conversation with Oscar. Oh, yeah. Yes. The pod. 564 00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:13,200 Yeah. That'd be the podcasting stuff. Of this, of this visit, 565 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,830 of this flavor of this. Yes. So what, what Oscar proposed and 566 00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:22,170 what I think is fantastic. He said, Okay, we're going to 567 00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:26,610 change comments to boosts. And 568 00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:32,940 we'll see if we can get a visibility flag in the value 569 00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:39,930 block in the value tag, which would by default, be no or off, 570 00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:46,230 then I think we've pretty much solved the issue. Okay. 571 00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:51,720 Now, he wants to keep the the booster grams 572 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,950 threaded for now the way they are. But he recognizes that this 573 00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:03,180 is not a you know, this is not a way forward because there's no 574 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:06,990 feedback to you know, heli pad doesn't understand when 575 00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:12,240 something comes in, etc. So that that's stuff that maybe we'll 576 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,690 just shake out as we start to implement real comments. I don't 577 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:19,890 know. I mean, I there's, in general, I love the idea of 578 00:37:19,890 --> 00:37:23,010 doing much, much more with booster grams and making it two 579 00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:27,630 way etc. I think the most important thing is just to a not 580 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,630 call it lightning comments, I think we all agree that that's 581 00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:33,960 not a good idea. And to actually not call it comments at all, but 582 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,100 booster grams, and in this particular implementation and 583 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,420 fountain, they, they you can surface them. But that doesn't 584 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:45,390 need to be and he agrees that that's podcaster preference. 585 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:50,070 So I don't know how we go back and and fix that tag if everyone 586 00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:53,340 agrees, if that's if there's a better way of doing it. But that 587 00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,460 that's kind of what we discussed. I think it's I don't 588 00:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,330 think it's a hard fix. No, it's not it's more of a it's an 589 00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:03,240 evolution. It's not a we can just because anytime you 590 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,210 introduce a new attribute, that's not a big deal, because 591 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:09,870 you just default it to the way it was without the attribute. 592 00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:14,850 And then you're done. Okay, the default is no. And if the 593 00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:18,750 attribute doesn't exist, we assume no. And just incremental. 594 00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:23,460 Yeah. Okay, that's, of course, da. It's not a, it's not a 595 00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:25,290 problem at all. We can do in depth what we can do that in 596 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:25,980 Phase Five. 597 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:30,510 Make a note of that early. So that 598 00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:35,340 Yeah, I mean, and it was, it was great. It was nice to meet him 599 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:39,480 in person. And, and yeah, we both agree that we everyone had 600 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,720 gotten a little heated and a little. Everyone had gotten over 601 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:46,890 their skis in one way to including me. So it was it was, 602 00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:51,060 it was a really beautiful moment, because it was something 603 00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:53,730 that rarely happens, as you explained or expressed in the 604 00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:56,850 previous episode. Typically, these things you know, people 605 00:38:56,850 --> 00:38:59,940 get pissed off, there's a fork, you know, shit fails, there's 606 00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:03,360 Yeah, you know, there's families fall apart, divorces, all kinds 607 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,160 of things happen. And then and it got resolved is beautiful. 608 00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:13,350 And I think and I think, I think this is because of the actual 609 00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:17,790 speech part of what we're doing. Because everybody was able to 610 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:22,950 talk we were able to talk about it on on, on this podcast, you 611 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:26,850 know, just the open dialogue, no one being in charge of who can 612 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:29,190 say what I think made this work. 613 00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:36,630 The being a, having that as having open free, free speech 614 00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:41,190 idea as just one of your core principles and a project means 615 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:46,140 that people have to suck it up. And you have to say, Okay, if if 616 00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:48,960 you can, if one of your core principles is you don't silence 617 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:52,410 other people's, you know, speech well then when people say things 618 00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:56,190 you don't like you just got to put your big boy pants on and so 619 00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:59,970 it's finalizing the the 620 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,620 A Bitcoin 2022. I think I made I think I did a pretty damn good 621 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:09,300 of promoting what we're doing on stage. Yes, you did. That was 622 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,570 good. Yeah, it was good. And I and I will say that I promoted 623 00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:15,870 Bri specifically, because I wanted to see 624 00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:19,860 what the response would be. And Roy said that definitely, there 625 00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:22,770 were more downloads, but also, of course, a new podcast 626 00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:23,460 apps.com 627 00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:27,270 and podcaster wallet.com as well. 628 00:40:30,990 --> 00:40:35,670 PLSS I wouldn't say that I've seen an increase in Oh, no, it 629 00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:39,510 was an activity, but isn't, is about normal. I'm curious if 630 00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:42,360 anyone else saw any, any activity, but most important, 631 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,590 that message I have is 632 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:50,250 the value for value part of of, of the namespace and, and kind 633 00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:53,700 of what falls under podcasting. 2.0 which is a project you know, 634 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:56,730 pod paying is a part of that namespace, which we'll talk 635 00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:59,370 about in a second. No matter what it is. 636 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,390 And you may not be big into into Bitcoin or value for value. Just 637 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:10,740 keep your eyes open, because it is bringing people in. I mean, 638 00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:13,500 this is what I saw people like, oh, shit, oh, yeah, podcast. 639 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:18,270 2.0. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They've all heard about it. And it's, it is 640 00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:22,350 onboarding people. So if that's a hook to get people to enjoy 641 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:25,320 other things, you know, that's worth considering? 642 00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:30,360 Well, I mean, listening to pod land the other day, and 643 00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:34,650 jam in, and I actually written this down, James made a comment. 644 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:38,460 He's talking about YouTube, but he said anything is, quote, 645 00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:41,460 anything that has the capability of growing, the medium is a good 646 00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:45,660 thing, and nothing, unquote. And I think this absolutely 647 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:50,250 qualifies as growing the medium. You know, when you bring in when 648 00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:55,560 you bring in new, new people, especially people and witnesses 649 00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:59,640 that are willing to support the podcasters that they listen to, 650 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,760 well, that's even better. I mean, like, you know, these are, 651 00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:06,090 I don't want to, say paying customers, but I mean, people 652 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:10,860 that would rather describe it as people who are willing to, to 653 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:13,980 put their money up to support the people that they listen to, 654 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:17,550 so that those things don't go away. Now, I too, listen to pod 655 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:20,130 land, and I'm thinking of breaking up with POD land. 656 00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:26,040 Because now they scoff scoff at me. scoff at me when I say that? 657 00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:30,000 I just disagree with the discoverability. And instead of 658 00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:31,710 getting a counter argument I get 659 00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:36,720 when I disagree with that, too, yeah, what am I actually gonna 660 00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:40,230 I've got a blog post in the word use all that stuff that I ripped 661 00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:43,170 out of the last blog post but yes, there's gonna be another 662 00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:48,000 asset that article to you and you're in a It was literally 663 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,840 like, 5000 words, it was like a Glenn Greenwald order. That was 664 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,480 exactly what I didn't want to say it to you. But I was like, 665 00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:58,140 man, you gotta change the title, shorten it up. I can handle it. 666 00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:01,410 That's Watson, this wasn't in your head. So I ripped all of 667 00:43:01,410 --> 00:43:04,200 that stuff out. That's going to be the next. And the only and 668 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,750 the and what I think people are missing 669 00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:14,160 is, I just disagree with letting a company like alphabet or 670 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,990 YouTube, Google, own your audience. And I just I 671 00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,740 fundamentally disagree. And I know the problem from experience 672 00:43:23,010 --> 00:43:27,420 is all of a sudden your audience starts to congeal somewhere and 673 00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:30,480 you have no control over. It could be, you know, on on 674 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,190 Twitter, it can be on Facebook, it can be on YouTube, it can be 675 00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:39,210 anywhere, but you don't really control it. And you know, that's 676 00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:44,790 it always ends sad. Well, everybody got, I mean, everybody 677 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:48,030 has been pissed off in some shape, form or fashion, again, 678 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,800 at Spotify over the last three to five years. Since they got 679 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,300 into this and in for one thing or another. Wait until YouTube 680 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,660 can I'm talking about people in the independent open podcasting 681 00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:03,750 ecosystem. Wait till YouTube really decides to get into this 682 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:09,180 game. And you will see what real Google doesn't play. If they 683 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,580 did. If they put the ISR on on your industry. They can crush it 684 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,760 if they want to. Here's the problem I have with all this. 685 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,320 And this does come from listening to pod land. I hear 686 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,310 the industry is doing great. Everything is up. Everyone's 687 00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:32,070 revenue is increasing. 40 50% It's fantastic. This is going so 688 00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:35,970 well. YouTube's gonna get into this. There's a billion dollar 689 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,670 industry. How is it that every single one of these companies is 690 00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:46,140 losing money? Yeah, a caseloads like $30 million, or something 691 00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:51,540 like that. Yeah, I agree why they're losing money. And of 692 00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:54,480 course, the answer is, well, they're investing in podcasting. 693 00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:58,380 How how do you need if there's a billion dollars in the 694 00:44:58,380 --> 00:44:59,340 marketplace? 695 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,880 billion dollars, and you have the big podcasters? How come 696 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,790 you're not attracting that money? Is it really a billion 697 00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:13,080 dollars? where's that going to? Is it split with radio ads 698 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,420 somehow? And it's being attributed a little? I don't 699 00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:20,130 know. But this feels wrong. And if you have a mature, a very 700 00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:22,350 mature marketplace of content, 701 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:28,380 and what do you need to invest in? Then you're pricing it 702 00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:33,390 wrong. If if you are paying more to your podcast that you're 703 00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:37,410 acquiring, then you can make off of them. What is this? How long 704 00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:41,820 do you have to wait before the network effect kicks in? And I 705 00:45:41,820 --> 00:45:44,580 just come back to what I've said, since I tried it myself. 706 00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:49,020 You cannot monetize the network. And now we see these groups 707 00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:52,530 within Spotify that they're going to go on strike. 708 00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,650 And it's all because there's gonna be fun to watch because 709 00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:58,170 they're pissed off because Oh, we didn't get the ads. You know, 710 00:45:58,170 --> 00:46:01,440 we got the wrong ads. You forced us to read this. We don't get 711 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,820 any promotion. The CEO hates us. I've been through this. It does 712 00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:08,700 not work is at least I haven't seen it work. I couldn't make it 713 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,400 work. Well, cotton gin in the chat says well, and then they 714 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,580 abandon it. Okay. Speaking about Yes, Google. Yes. Basically two 715 00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:19,830 abandoned things. But my my point is that the the danger of 716 00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:22,980 YouTube getting into podcasting is not that they abandon it. The 717 00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:26,910 danger of YouTube getting into podcasting, is that they laser 718 00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:32,940 focus on it. And at that point, it could, it could really, they 719 00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:37,320 already have such a dominant position in media, they really 720 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,390 could, if they wanted to 721 00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:44,910 damage, do major damage to the open podcasting ecosystem, they 722 00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:51,300 could suck out so many creators into exclusive deals. Even at a 723 00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,930 loss. Yeah, but at a huge way more than Spotify can. So there 724 00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:59,070 it is, this is why they will give up on it. If they ever 725 00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:01,200 really implemented this. 726 00:47:02,310 --> 00:47:04,530 It would have to be an ego play. 727 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,210 For them, for them to really do it, because they will not make 728 00:47:09,210 --> 00:47:16,380 money. This YouTube makes money on cat videos and and children 729 00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:22,200 children videos, you know, and unboxing. It's it's not a 730 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,190 Crowder and, you know, and the big podcasts, it's just not, 731 00:47:26,310 --> 00:47:30,060 that's not important for them. It's all it's the hundreds of 732 00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:35,190 millions of daily views of dumb shit. That's where they make 733 00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:38,880 their money. They're not then if they're not going to pay for 734 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,440 podcasts, I just I do not believe it. I mean, maybe those 735 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,830 Oh, we'll get and the advertisers don't want to 736 00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:50,760 advertise on this shit. Well, that's the point. It's not brand 737 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,050 safe. But they have there, there is one ego play that could come 738 00:47:55,050 --> 00:48:00,030 into effect. And that is that YouTube also has a competitor to 739 00:48:00,030 --> 00:48:04,980 Spotify, YouTube music. And if they wanted to just if they 740 00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:10,560 wanted to take Spotify as level of pain, and just turn it up two 741 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,790 or three notches, they could try to do this in an ego play where 742 00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:17,670 they say, okay, they're already overextended and hurting from 743 00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:20,940 there in podcasting investments. Let's just crank that up another 744 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,940 couple of notches and see how long they last on as a company. 745 00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:27,240 I mean that that's a possibility. And then YouTube 746 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:31,260 music is a viable alternative at this point, we're going in, 747 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,910 okay, again, that would be only to crush them, which happens in 748 00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:39,510 Silicon Valley. There's a reason why no one has been able to 749 00:48:39,540 --> 00:48:43,020 really do podcasting successfully. Because it's, 750 00:48:43,050 --> 00:48:48,480 it's, it's not possible with the advertising model. It's just not 751 00:48:48,690 --> 00:48:51,900 I mean, I people will disagree with me. And I'll just keep 752 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:53,640 saying the same thing over and over again. 753 00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:00,690 Podcasts the creative part of them are just not advertiser 754 00:49:00,690 --> 00:49:04,590 evil. This is why the industry focuses on 755 00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:11,280 these well funded content companies that create no brand 756 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,220 safe content that is known in advance and they had a big 757 00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:18,030 budget behind it so you can pre sell it and do a what do they 758 00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:20,700 call that in the advertising I forgot the 759 00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:26,820 the preview crap as a no no, no, no, no, no no it's when when you 760 00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:31,110 show the new programming to all come on chat row. Yeah, the the 761 00:49:31,110 --> 00:49:34,710 upfront Yeah, when you do the upfront and all this and the 762 00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:38,280 upfront is not like you like if you want to say Oh, this is the 763 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,240 upper This is the show, and it's podcasting 2.0 and just it's 764 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:45,120 great just trust us by now so well what's the content gonna 765 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,690 be? Yeah, and then you have a demo on this Okay, was it gonna 766 00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:51,420 be like this every week and they may go back and listen to it 767 00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:53,730 will you the Adam says fuck a lot. We don't want to advertise 768 00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:57,570 on that. Hit me up. So it's, it's the antithesis 769 00:49:58,890 --> 00:50:00,000 of what podcasting 770 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,960 is I know because I've done it. The advertising is the problem. 771 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,600 And I and I just don't understand where the $1 billion 772 00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:10,170 is going if everybody's losing money, including hosting 773 00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:16,890 companies. Some. So, yeah, yeah. And then, and then this was the 774 00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:24,480 funniest thing. Spotify has suspended service to Russian 775 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,320 customers. 776 00:50:27,060 --> 00:50:29,010 Alright, so there you go. There's your there's your free 777 00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:32,820 and open podcast ecosystem if you've, if you've built up an 778 00:50:32,820 --> 00:50:37,290 audience of people listening on on Spotify, it's Russia today. 779 00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:40,770 Well, who says it isn't Alabama tomorrow? Hey, Alabama has been 780 00:50:40,770 --> 00:50:45,510 shitty. Turn them off. What made it as if all As if I'll read 781 00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:48,780 this, this goes back if you've never read the book, there's an 782 00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:53,580 old book from the revisionist historians base. So post World 783 00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:59,160 War One the the Intel is when sort of the intelligence post 784 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,250 World War One into World War Two is when the intelligence AI 785 00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:09,840 organization ideas really came into its own. And part of one of 786 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,580 one of the one of the discussion points was all the all the 787 00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:18,870 propaganda that had happened during World War One 788 00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,640 how it had been countered by the press 789 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:29,490 right so the the there's this group, and collectively known as 790 00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:32,670 the revisionist the revisionist historians. That's I think 791 00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:35,250 that's where that term originates, where they looked 792 00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:39,060 back post World War One they look back at it and said, you 793 00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:42,360 know, a lot of this stuff that we all have this a lot this 794 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,920 propaganda and it's all bullshit like this, this this idea that 795 00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:51,000 in so there's this book by Albert J knock, it was one of 796 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,310 the revisionists. And you got guys like, 797 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,110 Who's the guy from the Snopes trial? The Snopes Monkey Trial 798 00:51:58,110 --> 00:52:01,800 that that reporter there was quite their famous now. 799 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,780 I'll remember the minute but there were quite a few of these 800 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:10,380 guys that were revisionist historians. And they and they 801 00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:14,730 spent the next few years after the war debunking literally just 802 00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:17,370 debunking every all the propaganda that had happened. 803 00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:20,460 And with this book by Albert J. nock, called the myth of a 804 00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:21,270 guilty nation. 805 00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:26,250 It's about Germany, and describing how the West had 806 00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:31,800 taken Germany and vilified the entire nation as a block. 807 00:52:33,930 --> 00:52:37,980 And that's mean, that's what happens in all wars. That's, 808 00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:40,530 that's what, that's the way war operates. And the propaganda 809 00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:44,220 side is you vilify the entire nation should every man woman 810 00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:47,880 and child is an evil, you know, this is evil and must be 811 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:53,010 destroyed. And so that's, that's the, that's what you're one of 812 00:52:53,010 --> 00:52:55,050 the things that you're protecting, against when you 813 00:52:55,050 --> 00:53:00,180 decentralize. And in the ways that we've been talking about 814 00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:04,590 is, you have to protect yourself as a citizen, from the things 815 00:53:04,590 --> 00:53:08,970 that your government may do. Yes, ostensibly in your name in 816 00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:11,670 order to get you cancelled when you had nothing to do with this. 817 00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:17,550 You know, so like, I mean, if, if the EU, if the US goes and 818 00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:21,900 invades Iraq, and some you know, 819 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,840 country in Europe decides that that is evil, and wants to Can't 820 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,230 you know, wants to cancel their my account with their business? 821 00:53:31,830 --> 00:53:34,710 Well, then that's a problem. I had nothing to do with it. I 822 00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:37,290 didn't use that didn't invade Iraq. And I think I think in 823 00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:42,030 today's day and age of there really being no borders online. 824 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,160 Yeah, a lot. Most people are in a frenzy right now. And Putin 825 00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:52,590 equals Russia and F Russia and Assad. But you know, we all know 826 00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:56,130 people and you know, so now the people are, are communicating. 827 00:53:56,130 --> 00:53:58,290 Of course, that was the first thing that had to get shut off 828 00:53:58,290 --> 00:54:02,040 from both sides. I might point out Russia, cutting off social 829 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,310 networks, the social networks cutting off Russia, this is not 830 00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:10,740 a sustainable situation. But But besides that, if the if they can 831 00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:13,500 do it to an entire country, and this is not new, as you point 832 00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:17,910 out, they can do it to any country, or any state or any 833 00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:22,230 individual, as long as there's enough political will, literally 834 00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:23,940 political will not law. 835 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,430 Just political will, so that you scare everybody. And it's not. 836 00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:33,180 So Spotify doesn't care, obviously. But I heard Todd 837 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,870 saying that Lipson has Russian podcasters who can't pay for 838 00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:39,360 their servers because MasterCard visa doesn't work anymore. 839 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,390 To which I said how about Bitcoin but I didn't hear back. 840 00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:50,460 Didn't hear. But are you then a trader? Are you a trader to 841 00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:54,540 Ukraine and America if you help your customers, pay for their 842 00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:58,680 service or maybe defer it until things calm down? Because in 843 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,000 today's political lexicon 844 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,710 On You are you actually are carrying water for Putin? That's 845 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,970 that's going to be the subtitle of my autobiography carrying 846 00:55:08,970 --> 00:55:13,800 water for Putin. No, no, no, no. Dave de Jones. I didn't hear 847 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,250 back. 848 00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:21,060 HL Mencken is the guy who is trying to think Oh, right, 849 00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:25,470 right. Of course. Yeah. So I mean, you got some Yeah, I was I 850 00:55:25,470 --> 00:55:28,380 was gonna launch us into hopefully what you want to talk 851 00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:34,080 about as well, which is, which stemmed from your, from your 852 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,280 blog post some conversations we had. And I think an overall 853 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,720 desire in general, to rebrand part of what we're doing under 854 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:47,340 podcast in 2.0, specifically, the namespace and to rebrand it 855 00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:51,570 to something like the podcast, standard podcast standards, and 856 00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:55,590 in fact, probably a good idea to create the podcast standards 857 00:55:55,590 --> 00:55:59,430 working group, so that now that we have a standard, and it's 858 00:55:59,430 --> 00:56:03,090 implemented, we can go out and start evangelizing it as 859 00:56:03,090 --> 00:56:07,200 something that everybody understands. And I would say 860 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,680 specifically, hosting companies will understand when customers 861 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,620 start asking for the podcast standard. 862 00:56:14,820 --> 00:56:18,420 Yeah, yeah. So that's really, that's really what this is. And 863 00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:20,550 this all you know, a lot of this comes from a conversation that 864 00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:24,630 we had really sort of a brainstorming conversation we 865 00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:26,520 had with Kevin over Buzzsprout. 866 00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:32,370 He called us said, Hey, I've got some ideas, just Brent, you 867 00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:34,350 know, strategizing, brainstorming, thinking about 868 00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:36,240 this stuff. And 869 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,200 the podcast we've known for a long time, and then podcasting. 870 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,540 2.0, what does it even mean? I mean, we like it. You know, 871 00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:47,970 it's, it's a, it's an interesting term phrase to use. 872 00:56:47,970 --> 00:56:51,570 And I think I think it's, it helps to think about, okay, this 873 00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:55,320 is the next sort of the next iteration of what podcasting can 874 00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:01,830 be. But, but really, then, then what, like, there's no, there's 875 00:57:01,830 --> 00:57:05,850 no sort of like, follow up there. What do you don't quite 876 00:57:05,850 --> 00:57:10,140 understand? Well, once it is when you say podcasting 2.0 877 00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:11,880 Yeah, no, I understand. I thought 878 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,600 I heard you wrong. Okay, God. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's a 879 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:20,820 concept. It's a concept, not a white paper, and what you really 880 00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:23,970 need for some concrete implementation, and I think this 881 00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:27,240 is a lot of the confusion that happens when, like when Todd 882 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,240 says, you know, we need we need a website that explains this 883 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:30,570 stuff. 884 00:57:32,190 --> 00:57:38,040 I understand the understand the desire and the desire there 885 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,960 because you it is something that is hard to explain in general. 886 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,180 And so the, the idea that they were talking about as well, 887 00:57:48,180 --> 00:57:52,410 let's just call it instead of calling it the podcast namespace 888 00:57:52,770 --> 00:57:56,730 for the podcasting two point or podcasting, 2.0. The podcasting 889 00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:58,380 2.0 project, 890 00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:02,310 is creating the podcasting standards. 891 00:58:03,630 --> 00:58:08,550 And that really should be the main thrust of what we're doing. 892 00:58:08,550 --> 00:58:10,860 Is pod This is the podcast standard. 893 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:17,370 Yes, you, you and that what that means is the podcast, podcast 894 00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:20,490 standards body or I don't want to call it a body what I like to 895 00:58:20,490 --> 00:58:23,970 work in group working group. Yeah, okay. The podcasts and 896 00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:27,840 standards are the end result. That's the thing that that's 897 00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:31,980 that's our deliverable, if we want to use a sleazy VC phrase 898 00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:36,270 is, is these are these are a set of standards and the standards 899 00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:39,090 that are encompass the namespace. 900 00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:44,550 The things like pod paying and adjacent technologies, and one 901 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:47,910 that we may, hopefully we'll get to talk about today, like JpT, 902 00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:49,680 which is a new Alex proposal. 903 00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:53,940 And then also a set of 904 00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:56,190 other things like 905 00:58:57,660 --> 00:59:02,970 block lists, or four things, how to handle how to handle feeds 906 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,430 properly, things like 907 00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:12,360 bringing together RFCs that may have been forgotten about and 908 00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:16,860 discussing whether or not they should be formalized into a more 909 00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:19,890 current iteration, things like page feeds and stuff like that. 910 00:59:20,730 --> 00:59:24,360 These are all things that get constantly talked about within 911 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,090 podcasting to Bono, and podcasting. Supernote doesn't 912 00:59:27,090 --> 00:59:30,540 necessarily represent a good way to determine these things. 913 00:59:30,540 --> 00:59:38,880 Right. And so if a podcast host or app is going forward with 914 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,410 podcasting 2.0 features, what they would be doing is they 915 00:59:43,410 --> 00:59:45,750 would be trying to adhere to the podcasting standards. 916 00:59:47,610 --> 00:59:51,180 Going that's the, what we figured out is is a good way to 917 00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:53,100 describe it. So you could have you can imagine that a 918 00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:58,800 podcasting conference, you can have a booth that you know with 919 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,000 a with a D 920 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,990 Carolina, this are a graphic this is we're podcast, we, we 921 01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:05,670 are podcasting standards compliant. 922 01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:09,660 So you've got you got hosting companies out there like, 923 01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:14,010 like a cast that 924 01:00:15,269 --> 01:00:19,529 constantly reconfirm recommit themselves publicly with 925 01:00:19,709 --> 01:00:23,879 language saying that they are RSS friendly and committed. 926 01:00:23,879 --> 01:00:26,759 Yeah, committed to the open podcast ecosystem, these kinds 927 01:00:26,759 --> 01:00:31,349 of things. Well, this would give them a way to prove it to say, 928 01:00:31,409 --> 01:00:35,159 Okay, well, we're committed to the open podcasting ecosystem. 929 01:00:35,699 --> 01:00:38,819 And the way that we're showing that we're actually doing that 930 01:00:38,819 --> 01:00:39,509 is by 931 01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:44,250 is by adhering to the podcasting standards. Now, something about 932 01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:47,790 this that I want to mention, because it's about you, you have 933 01:00:47,790 --> 01:00:51,840 done something incredibly important for podcasting. 934 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,280 So just a little quick Genesis, this project started, there were 935 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,630 two, two concepts. One was take back the index, create the API, 936 01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:07,110 so developers can easily spin something up and not deal with 937 01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:12,000 the with some other party messing around with either the 938 01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:18,360 entries or with the API itself. See apple, and the value for 939 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,940 value streaming concept, those were the two initial things, 940 01:01:20,970 --> 01:01:23,400 what came out of that, because of course, the namespace was 941 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,520 created for the value block, we integrated right away with 942 01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:31,620 transcripts, which was already existing, and some other things. 943 01:01:32,310 --> 01:01:36,060 But what you did with the path that you let everyone down, 944 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,860 what, for 10 years, and this is not a slam, it's just a fact. 945 01:01:41,070 --> 01:01:45,180 For 10 years, there were discussions and slack groups 946 01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:50,880 and, and organizations and boards and and more groups and, 947 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,560 and all kinds of I hate we need more features for podcasting. 948 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,980 And it never happened. No one wrote, as far as I know, a lick 949 01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:03,360 of code, no implementation, just lots and lots of hot air, and 950 01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:08,430 you stewarded the namespace, and it's, it's inherent to you, 951 01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:12,510 because you have a way I know that you have experience. But 952 01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:15,990 also we followed, like the rules for standards makers, and you 953 01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:18,600 did your homework on how we would do this. And so what we 954 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,270 now can present? Is that work? It is, so no longer do we need 955 01:02:24,270 --> 01:02:28,080 to necessarily have big conversations about because we 956 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,710 have almost all the features people wanted. And there will be 957 01:02:31,710 --> 01:02:35,220 more there in an organized manner. There's a place where it 958 01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:38,130 makes sense. It's technically technically correct, we have 959 01:02:38,340 --> 01:02:42,960 great documentation. And we in fact, have people who can make 960 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,200 up a working group, which can be as anyone as far as I'm 961 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:46,800 concerned. 962 01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:52,980 And and can Shepherd this into the marketplace, because we have 963 01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:57,510 proven it with implementation. And that's you Dave Jones, you 964 01:02:57,510 --> 01:03:01,620 did that. And I know, a lot of people worked on it. But you 965 01:03:01,620 --> 01:03:05,970 shepherded that. So there's your little star on your forehead? 966 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,250 On the forehead. Wow. 967 01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:13,470 And I thank you, because you did an incredible service to the 968 01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:14,340 podcast. 969 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:22,650 I hate the term industry to podcasting. But so, let me let 970 01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:26,070 me let me describe, let me describe what what it looks like 971 01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:29,550 currently. Thank you, by the way, let me describe you 972 01:03:29,580 --> 01:03:32,850 embarrass me with compliments. But let me describe what I'm 973 01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:34,740 what it currently looks like. 974 01:03:36,270 --> 01:03:41,460 And on sort of the, quote, unquote, working group side of 975 01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:45,090 things, because I think we already have what we need. Yep. 976 01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:47,550 What we have is 977 01:03:48,930 --> 01:03:52,950 we have to maintainers of the podcast namespace repository, 978 01:03:53,310 --> 01:03:55,290 which is where all the documentation and discussion 979 01:03:55,290 --> 01:03:59,880 happens. We have myself and James Cridland. 980 01:04:00,990 --> 01:04:04,650 That was, that was intentional. Because 981 01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:10,080 to put James as a maintainer, he can merge things he can he can 982 01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:13,380 do anything that needs to happen, because it keeps it from 983 01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:17,730 being just a just a podcasting 2.0 thing. Or when I say 984 01:04:17,730 --> 01:04:20,280 podcasts when I'm at podcast index, I mean, yeah, it keeps it 985 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,900 from being just podcast index. 986 01:04:23,310 --> 01:04:28,710 Also, James and I disagree frequently enough to where I 987 01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:35,130 know that I can depend on him to push back, which is important. 988 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,270 You need push back. 989 01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:42,540 He also comes from a different side of things like he's very 990 01:04:42,540 --> 01:04:47,670 deep into the advertising part of things. But he's also he also 991 01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:50,940 looks at he's also a technology and technology, you know, 992 01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:54,300 futurist if you want to call it so I feel like he's a good 993 01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:57,390 steward of that along with me. Now, I don't think there will 994 01:04:57,390 --> 01:04:59,940 ever add another person because 995 01:05:01,290 --> 01:05:04,740 It is really important. And this is this is the critical thing to 996 01:05:04,740 --> 01:05:07,560 get back to what you were saying about stewarding things. The 997 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,310 most important thing that we've done within podcasting to point 998 01:05:11,310 --> 01:05:13,890 out to make sure that these things actually happen, instead 999 01:05:13,890 --> 01:05:14,940 of just being talked about 1000 01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:17,730 is just doing it. 1001 01:05:18,810 --> 01:05:24,000 Don't talk about it endlessly just do the thing. And the more 1002 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,350 people you add, it becomes, it becomes standard by committee, 1003 01:05:28,380 --> 01:05:31,590 and it just bogs down and nothing ever gets done. So at 1004 01:05:31,590 --> 01:05:35,190 the end of the day, somebody has to make a decision. And that 1005 01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:40,080 decision comes in ultimately, if necessary, 90% of times is not 1006 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,440 necessary, right. But if necessary, that decision comes 1007 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,270 down to me and James. 1008 01:05:46,590 --> 01:05:52,260 And I think that is how that is all we need. We have a million 1009 01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:56,190 voices giving ideas and proposals. Lots and lots of 1010 01:05:56,190 --> 01:06:00,810 smart people at tons of awesome ideas. And you can see it in the 1011 01:06:00,810 --> 01:06:04,380 Verify tag, the podcast verify tag has been bet, talked about. 1012 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:09,840 Alberto martinez.com, submitted. Right, right, I saw that, after 1013 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,450 it was talked about add Podcast Movement amongst a group of 1014 01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:16,830 people with Sam and James and everybody. They came together 1015 01:06:16,830 --> 01:06:19,590 with this sort of core idea of what what it could look like, 1016 01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:21,390 submitted the proposal. 1017 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,140 There's been some back and forth, the conversation has 1018 01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:28,080 slowed down. Now that means we that's a signal when it slows 1019 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,190 down that there's a sort of law where decisions can begin to be 1020 01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:40,080 made. And now, now, it's sort of okay, what do What does? What do 1021 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,980 I think? What does James think? And we'll kick it back to the 1022 01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:48,720 community if necessary. And so, this, this process works very 1023 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,360 well. And I think that that can be, that whole thing can be the 1024 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,420 standard, the podcast enters working group, quote, unquote. 1025 01:06:57,450 --> 01:07:02,820 And I would like to recommend that which you already, I guess, 1026 01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:07,200 set up is that discussion about the podcast standard should 1027 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,230 happen in the discus portion of the GitHub. 1028 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,530 Yeah, and I need some help with that, because I've never used 1029 01:07:13,530 --> 01:07:16,530 that. But a lot of people have recommended it enough and 1030 01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:19,830 consistently enough to where it seems like it's probably a good 1031 01:07:19,830 --> 01:07:22,380 idea, here's what I recommend, we not do. 1032 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,260 I do not recommend we set up 1033 01:07:26,490 --> 01:07:32,700 another discussion group or Mastodon, or, or email list or 1034 01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:36,120 whatever. Now, this is way down the road. We don't need that 1035 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,500 anymore for the standards. This is a great adding, refining, 1036 01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:45,240 tweaking, you know, this is with real technical details and code. 1037 01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:49,950 I don't think we need the broad discussion about well, you know, 1038 01:07:50,190 --> 01:07:54,840 and at all times, I would just like to recommend that, that 1039 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,970 people police each other from not saying will you know, up a 1040 01:07:59,970 --> 01:08:01,260 little never do it? 1041 01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:05,760 Because that's just a recipe for failure? 1042 01:08:07,050 --> 01:08:12,210 By thinking that way, because we what we're seeing is, other apps 1043 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:18,210 that matter are doing it. And we even saw Marco say that he when 1044 01:08:18,210 --> 01:08:20,160 he's ready, I'm sure it'll take a bit because he just had that 1045 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:20,730 huge 1046 01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:23,700 refresh, 1047 01:08:24,810 --> 01:08:30,660 or UI redo. Maybe he plans on integrating chapters, you know, 1048 01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:35,580 so watch stuff go When, when, when Marco does that, and and we 1049 01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:40,170 see that we've still got podcasts, attic, and N Pocket 1050 01:08:40,170 --> 01:08:42,750 Casts, and there's lots of apps that make a difference that 1051 01:08:43,020 --> 01:08:46,380 that'll that'll be coming on board with the standard. It's 1052 01:08:46,380 --> 01:08:52,110 inevitable at this point. But really, we need to step away 1053 01:08:52,110 --> 01:08:57,390 from this old trauma of Spotify and Apple won't do it, then it 1054 01:08:57,390 --> 01:09:03,120 doesn't matter. And and that always fits into why I say that 1055 01:09:03,150 --> 01:09:06,390 the size of the audience. I know people scoff at me when I say 1056 01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:08,490 it, but the size of your audience just isn't as 1057 01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:12,300 important. You know, it's the community you build around it. 1058 01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:20,010 So Oh, no, this kind of spin something I've been thinking 1059 01:09:20,010 --> 01:09:24,870 about, and is that the podcast apps of how critical the apps 1060 01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:27,930 are? And I mean, we've, of course, we've said this from the 1061 01:09:27,930 --> 01:09:33,240 beginning, but I was listening to the feed that the show Lipson 1062 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:39,240 sort of commentary on themselves in podcasting. And they were Rob 1063 01:09:39,270 --> 01:09:43,170 Walsh in there said he was looking back I think he was 1064 01:09:43,170 --> 01:09:44,400 pissed off because 1065 01:09:45,420 --> 01:09:51,300 the lady that accepted the some award for cereal, had said that 1066 01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:56,760 before cereal, podcasting, you know, was basically nothing and 1067 01:09:58,920 --> 01:09:59,970 he's like, the mighty 1068 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:00,810 I always fall. 1069 01:10:02,129 --> 01:10:06,689 He got super, super mad about that. And then and what he is. 1070 01:10:06,749 --> 01:10:09,539 And he painted a picture that I really had never, 1071 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:14,160 I'd never thought about. But he's, I think he's I think he's 1072 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:20,520 right, is that it wasn't cereal that reinvigorated podcasting, 1073 01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:25,320 or launched it to sort of the next level. It was the fact that 1074 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,790 iOS eight, 1075 01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:33,000 put the apple podcast app on the homescreen by default. Ooh, 1076 01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:38,100 interesting. Yes. And so I Yeah. When when that happened, 1077 01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:42,330 everybody said, and he I'm using his words here, I think, is, Oh, 1078 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,560 what's this interesting purple icon on the screen. And you tap 1079 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,200 it and his podcast and there's a search, there's a directory 1080 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:55,170 search right there. And then two months later, serial hit in 1081 01:10:55,170 --> 01:10:58,110 became sort of a viral thing. And everybody already had the 1082 01:10:58,110 --> 01:11:01,740 app, they're ready to go. I agree All Headings it had 1083 01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:06,120 existed before that it wouldn't. You had to tee it up in order 1084 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,380 for cereal, to even be on the near end. This is exactly the 1085 01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:15,330 way podcasting is grown in these spurts. And there's one other 1086 01:11:15,330 --> 01:11:19,590 element why cereal just blew everything out of the water is 1087 01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:24,300 that this point everybody had had been trained to binge watch. 1088 01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:29,940 Netflix, and yeah, Hulu, and we were binge watching. What's the 1089 01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:34,170 Breaking Bad, you know, everyone binge watch Breaking Bad House 1090 01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:37,860 of Cards. And there was this incredible, like, people just 1091 01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:41,970 staying up all weekend doing coke, watching Netflix, and 1092 01:11:41,970 --> 01:11:44,610 pizza. And there were memes about it. And then all of a 1093 01:11:44,610 --> 01:11:47,910 sudden there was this really compelling show that made you 1094 01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:50,580 wait a whole week before you could get the next one. And of 1095 01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:56,460 course, the the true crime format is, I would say by far 1096 01:11:56,460 --> 01:12:00,150 the most popular format in podcasting, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, 1097 01:12:00,150 --> 01:12:02,820 without a doubt, and it brought in women. Yeah. And it brought 1098 01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:03,450 in women. 1099 01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:08,730 Yeah. Now contrast that with the numbers that we received that 1100 01:12:08,730 --> 01:12:13,710 40% of women listen to a podcast on a website, in a player on the 1101 01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:14,460 website. 1102 01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:23,460 That that is that that is totally valid, validate total 1103 01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:28,140 validation of the thing that you you have said that for months 1104 01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:32,940 and months that, that women have a propensity to listen to 1105 01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:37,800 podcasts on websites instead of in apps. You call that way long 1106 01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,360 ago. And it's 100. It's, it's so odd. It's just not anything I 1107 01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,470 would ever think to do. Which to me, which which to me means, you 1108 01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:51,300 know, should I just be me, maybe maybe I should. Okay, so when I, 1109 01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:54,810 when I say oh, here's, here's how I think the flow goes, I 1110 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,560 post a tweet to the show notes page. It's up and there's a 1111 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,940 player in there. And so there's obviously a large portion of my 1112 01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:06,480 audience in certain shows, that is going to listen to that on 1113 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,810 the web page, which is the shitty ass sorry, that 1114 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,040 fantastically beautiful, I love the freedom controller. But of 1115 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,370 course, I don't have the CSS or anything, I just have a shitty 1116 01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:20,850 s. Outline page. But that's how I That's my choice. That's how I 1117 01:13:20,850 --> 01:13:24,990 publish stuff. That doesn't matter to me. And it's just 1118 01:13:24,990 --> 01:13:27,600 like, I've simply I can see it clicked. So they are listening 1119 01:13:27,630 --> 01:13:34,620 on that page. Maybe I need a version of pod verse, pod friend 1120 01:13:34,620 --> 01:13:36,750 curio casts or maybe even cast pod 1121 01:13:40,140 --> 01:13:42,210 casts coverage. That 1122 01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:48,960 is a page, a beautiful page that immediately starts playing that 1123 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:56,610 episode, but teases that it's an app teases, you know, so you 1124 01:13:56,610 --> 01:13:59,700 shouldn't have a full listing and too much shit all in one go. 1125 01:13:59,700 --> 01:14:02,310 It should be one page and to be like, Oh, what's this? Oh, I can 1126 01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:06,960 find more podcasts here. Oh, I can subscribe to this. And you 1127 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,200 have you link out to curio caster for maybe let's just use 1128 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,690 them as an example. Actually, I want to use I want to use pod 1129 01:14:12,690 --> 01:14:17,070 verse as an example. Puffer, okay, you link to pod verse as 1130 01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:20,640 an example. During the last stream, they're streaming live, 1131 01:14:20,670 --> 01:14:23,700 and then they're in the thing in your page, it says, 1132 01:14:24,780 --> 01:14:29,850 install the app. Now, I'm thinking when I tweet out the 1133 01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,180 people listening live is a whole different discussion. That's and 1134 01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:35,700 I have a lot of experience with that. And that's, that's a very 1135 01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:39,720 small group, but very, very useful for specific cases. I'm 1136 01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,920 talking about my new episode is up. There's a there's a large 1137 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,650 part of the portion of the audience which does not see a 1138 01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:49,440 notification on an app because they're not using one typically 1139 01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,700 maybe I don't know, two they see a tweet or they see a two or 1140 01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:57,210 something and oh, okay, let me go take a look. And 1141 01:14:58,230 --> 01:15:00,000 and they go to that page and they can start 1142 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,220 Listening. And it's not just the Adam's ugly page. It's the pod 1143 01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:09,540 verse, web player and the pod verse web and a simplified 1144 01:15:09,540 --> 01:15:11,100 version for that episode. 1145 01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,540 And then through the UI, or UX, or whatever, it's teasing, like, 1146 01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:20,310 hey, you know, click here to get the app always get notified, and 1147 01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:23,400 will automatically subscribe, you I'm just making shit up, or 1148 01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:27,480 explore what else you can do. This is an incredible 1149 01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:28,350 opportunity. 1150 01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,760 It is also the same audience that listens to serial. 1151 01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:37,920 Large overlap, I would say, there's something we can do, 1152 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,310 where you can either keep people in the web app and show them the 1153 01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:46,350 joy of the web app. And then maybe if they want the, if they 1154 01:15:46,350 --> 01:15:48,690 want, and I don't even know if they're listening to 1155 01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:53,340 web players, you know, just a regular web player on the phone 1156 01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:55,920 or on the desktop, I'm not quite sure. But there's just an 1157 01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:02,250 opportunity to grab them and show them the joys of of a pot 1158 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,300 of a full podcast app experience. But it needs to be 1159 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:09,960 something that I can use to promote instead of just a link 1160 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:15,030 to a to a show notes page. It should just be something that 1161 01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:18,420 spits out for me from whatever app and I can just Oh, boom, 1162 01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:20,880 it's a widget, you know, just let me use this, or I just click 1163 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,950 a button. How about that? And just click a button and it does 1164 01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:26,460 it all for me with my Twitter account and my Mastodon account? 1165 01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,220 Yeah, great opportunity. Yeah, I like it. I like it a lot. That's 1166 01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:36,360 I mean, I think that's probably best to probably be some sort 1167 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,780 of, that's another that's another way we could go put into 1168 01:16:39,780 --> 01:16:42,210 the standard other thing, we put it in the standards, like, 1169 01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:47,190 here's, you know, here's a There you go, like, suggestions on on 1170 01:16:47,190 --> 01:16:50,010 workflows and things like that, not from this or that podcaster 1171 01:16:50,010 --> 01:16:53,160 standpoint. But just like, here, if you're trying to accomplish 1172 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:54,360 this thing, 1173 01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:59,790 to satisfy this particular audience expectation, then here 1174 01:16:59,790 --> 01:17:03,270 would be a way to utilize these these technologies and this 1175 01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:07,290 these tags in order to satisfy this objective. There you go. 1176 01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:11,580 Yeah. Yeah, this I could. I could let it let me do you want? 1177 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,320 I wanted to ask, I think I want to talk about 1178 01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,150 the a couple of these new tags. 1179 01:17:22,650 --> 01:17:25,050 If you want to do some TechEd out. 1180 01:17:26,460 --> 01:17:29,550 I love tech talk. Wait, is it maybe it's time for one of 1181 01:17:29,550 --> 01:17:33,780 these, it's not just tech talk, we need to we need a new a new 1182 01:17:33,780 --> 01:17:34,260 jingle. 1183 01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:40,770 So now it's time for some hot namespace talk needs to be 1184 01:17:40,770 --> 01:17:42,540 podcast standards chat. 1185 01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,240 That just didn't do it? 1186 01:17:48,270 --> 01:17:52,440 Well, before, let's Okay, so we'll do all the tags. But then 1187 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:55,230 I want to look, actually, first I want to talk a little bit 1188 01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:57,870 about the aggregator Oh, yummy. 1189 01:18:00,030 --> 01:18:04,710 So it's about as I got six of the aggregators converted over, 1190 01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:08,640 there's nine total to the new code for the new for them the 1191 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,110 new polling mechanism. 1192 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:21,390 And it's pretty interesting. So the, every one of these have 1193 01:18:21,390 --> 01:18:22,200 changed over 1194 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,640 the wants a start started, I got the first two done. 1195 01:18:27,810 --> 01:18:31,140 I looked at the charts on the CPU usage on the aggregator 1196 01:18:31,140 --> 01:18:31,650 nodes. 1197 01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:36,240 And they dropped, the CPU drop usage dropped at 1198 01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,920 dropped from 80 to 100%. down to like, 20. Yeah. And that is 1199 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,100 consistent. I mean, that has been like that's, that's solid 1200 01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:44,790 stable. 1201 01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:49,650 Which till. So then I stopped what I was doing. Okay. Well, 1202 01:18:49,650 --> 01:18:52,860 this is this is interesting. We're paying me rundown here 1203 01:18:52,890 --> 01:18:56,910 real quick. So we've got, we've got one, we've got nine 1204 01:18:56,910 --> 01:18:57,660 aggregators. 1205 01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:01,350 Every one of them 1206 01:19:02,370 --> 01:19:05,160 is a four gig 1207 01:19:06,180 --> 01:19:10,980 Linode instance. And they had that's a two CPU. And as two 1208 01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:13,200 CPUs have four gigs for each one of them. 1209 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,240 One of them, which is a bigger one that handles a lot of the 1210 01:19:18,450 --> 01:19:24,360 frequency of a frequency one. That is a $30 a month Linode 1211 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,390 into dedicated CPU with four gigs. So 1212 01:19:28,410 --> 01:19:31,200 we, if you add that all up, you're talking about 1213 01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:38,340 $175 a month for all the aggregator nodes. Now, 1214 01:19:39,420 --> 01:19:41,880 with the reduced CPU usage. 1215 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:49,860 I was like, why are we paying? Why would we pay $20 a month for 1216 01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:53,250 on average for one of these aggregators, when it's only 1217 01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:58,740 using 20% of the CPU, right? Okay. I went back and started to 1218 01:19:58,740 --> 01:19:59,970 reroll them out 1219 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,930 to actually load the CPU at higher. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, 1220 01:20:04,350 --> 01:20:10,590 five $5. So using the lowest one to $5 a month, one gig VMs. 1221 01:20:10,590 --> 01:20:17,550 Nice. And that put the CPU usage. Right around. Right 1222 01:20:17,550 --> 01:20:24,000 around, I'm guessing 40 To 6040 to 60%. And it's solid, same 1223 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,540 speed, same speed. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, the efficiency of 1224 01:20:27,540 --> 01:20:31,770 this of the new code is so much, I think what we can do is drop 1225 01:20:32,190 --> 01:20:38,490 all of these down to five, to the, excuse me to the $10 a 1226 01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:41,580 month. So it gives us a little bit of headroom, nice, all to 1227 01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:45,810 $10 a month. That means 90 bucks a month, that saves us 85 bucks 1228 01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:46,380 a month. 1229 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,260 And then we can use that to boost the database database 1230 01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:55,920 server right to the next level, which is an additional $80. So 1231 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,460 we got balanced out. Perfectly balanced out. I love it when 1232 01:20:59,460 --> 01:21:03,030 that happens. Yeah, so we can go to the bigger database and have 1233 01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:05,520 all of our aggregators and everything will be kosher. This 1234 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,530 is what your donations to podcasting. 2.0 go towards, by 1235 01:21:10,530 --> 01:21:10,980 the way, 1236 01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:15,690 value for value. So if you if you like what you're hearing 1237 01:21:15,690 --> 01:21:19,830 you'd like the frugality of my brother from the south here, 1238 01:21:20,670 --> 01:21:24,060 then continue to support that because we'll need more upgrades 1239 01:21:24,090 --> 01:21:29,370 in our future for sure. Yeah, and I want to say thank you to 1240 01:21:30,420 --> 01:21:36,330 Eleanor and to Hamish, on the subs on the Macedon who've been 1241 01:21:36,330 --> 01:21:40,260 helping give me some ideas on how to on because what, because 1242 01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:45,780 one thing about this new code is that it's not okay in practice. 1243 01:21:45,780 --> 01:21:49,140 Now, if you just run the polar by itself, it screams I mean, 1244 01:21:49,140 --> 01:21:54,750 you come on the 2000 feeds a minute, easy, nice. But you 1245 01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:57,390 can't feed that to the database that fast. I mean, it's kind of 1246 01:21:57,390 --> 01:22:02,070 insane. So what the net result of it is, 1247 01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:06,150 after you take into account, the parsing, and everything is it 1248 01:22:06,150 --> 01:22:07,320 turns out to be 1249 01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:14,640 not a whole lot faster than the previous one. But you have 1250 01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:18,690 the better, better code, the more dependable code, you have 1251 01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:23,220 better efficiency with CPUs, but then you put the it ends up 1252 01:22:23,220 --> 01:22:30,060 being a more steady stream of data. So you may not, it may not 1253 01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:36,300 be necessarily faster, but it's a more consistent volume of data 1254 01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:41,280 being driven to the database that has the result of stressing 1255 01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,670 the database out a little bit more. So it's like, you know, 1256 01:22:44,670 --> 01:22:46,080 it's like the difference between like a, 1257 01:22:48,150 --> 01:22:53,040 like a 22 Magnum versus a 45 caliber. 1258 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,730 You got high FPS, I know high FPS bullet but very tiny, versus 1259 01:22:59,730 --> 01:23:04,230 a lower FPS bullet, but it's much bigger. Like, the 45 is 1260 01:23:04,230 --> 01:23:06,150 like getting hit in the chest with basketball, right, you 1261 01:23:06,150 --> 01:23:09,720 know, at 100. Right, right. Right. Right. So that's, that's 1262 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,800 sort of the idea here is that we're, we're not it's not really 1263 01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,030 a speed increase, it's more just a volume load increase on the 1264 01:23:18,030 --> 01:23:20,880 database. So we're gonna have to bump the database up. And how 1265 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,650 about polling algorithms? 1266 01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:27,420 Yes, no. So that that is a discussion. Once I've finished 1267 01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:30,780 rolling everything out, that is something that I want to do is, 1268 01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:34,590 is changed the overall algorithm. So currently, what it 1269 01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:36,240 is, is these nine aggregators. 1270 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:45,510 As as we do feed, feed parsing, the party time parser looks at 1271 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:52,020 the average publishing time between episodes, or the average 1272 01:23:52,020 --> 01:23:55,230 gap between Episodes and it says, In in the head, there's a 1273 01:23:55,230 --> 01:24:00,000 chart, there's a table that says if it goes if you have one or 1274 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,540 more episodes within a three day period, you get up you get 1275 01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:05,130 assigned update frequency one, 1276 01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:11,190 one or more episodes, within a you know, seven day period 1277 01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:14,130 frequency to I'm making the I don't remember the numbers, but 1278 01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:18,330 it splits it out and basically one through nine a frequency 1279 01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:22,200 update values get assigned to each feed. So then the 1280 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:23,190 aggregators 1281 01:24:24,270 --> 01:24:29,160 and they each take on a certain frequency polar polling 1282 01:24:29,190 --> 01:24:33,660 responsibility. So aggregator one handles, polls all the feeds 1283 01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:37,140 with an update frequency of one two does to blah, blah, blah. 1284 01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:45,060 That that works. Okay. Except that you miss is it's not as 1285 01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:46,020 efficient as it could be. 1286 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,370 So one of the things that we're we talked about on Mastodon I 1287 01:24:50,370 --> 01:24:53,850 think we're going to man I will definitely do this. I'm going to 1288 01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:54,240 do this 1289 01:24:55,530 --> 01:24:56,160 is 1290 01:24:57,660 --> 01:25:00,000 changing debt lately. 1291 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,970 have that in place, but then also add this other metrics. And 1292 01:25:02,970 --> 01:25:08,430 so what we would do is have a table where it shows 1293 01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:11,280 where has the feed ID, 1294 01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:16,320 the last published time of an episode, and then this, this 1295 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:21,930 chart there. So this this series of columns, where it assigns a, 1296 01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:23,790 a time window 1297 01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:27,540 to each one of those columns. So it's called as, like a 1298 01:25:27,570 --> 01:25:31,710 represents seven, like a seven day period. 1299 01:25:33,210 --> 01:25:36,210 And then you assign a time windows so that you can for 1300 01:25:36,210 --> 01:25:39,420 every feed, what you can do is you can do a quick database 1301 01:25:39,420 --> 01:25:45,120 search and say, Okay, what I want is a list of feed IDs, that 1302 01:25:45,150 --> 01:25:46,530 update between 1303 01:25:47,550 --> 01:25:49,740 8am and 10am UTC 1304 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,810 every, every, every week, on Thursday. 1305 01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,480 And you, you can just look it up as a lookup table, it'll give 1306 01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:05,580 you that set of feeds. And during this period, you have one 1307 01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:08,910 aggregator that's assigned to just rapidly pull those feeds. 1308 01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:13,350 So it's just how it's, you know, every three minutes, it's just 1309 01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:16,410 hidden every feed that falls into that category. As soon as 1310 01:26:16,410 --> 01:26:19,560 that time window passes, you pull the next group and just 1311 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,230 start hammering that group. So we're only killing one polar 1312 01:26:22,230 --> 01:26:23,250 bear a day then. 1313 01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:28,140 It's really like a cold polar bear cut like a cup. Yeah, like 1314 01:26:28,140 --> 01:26:31,410 beating a baby seal over the head. Yeah, yes. Yeah. You're 1315 01:26:31,410 --> 01:26:33,150 just losing one or two cubs a week? 1316 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,590 That's not you know, you're good. That's good. Of course, 1317 01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:41,280 the answer to this is pod ping, which, I guess that should also 1318 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,540 somehow be mentioned in the podcast standard. Oh, 1319 01:26:45,540 --> 01:26:48,210 absolutely. Yeah, that's good. It's got to have its place in 1320 01:26:48,210 --> 01:26:52,860 there. Now, Alex fixed, fixed a bug that we're having with a 1321 01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:54,270 watcher. And so 1322 01:26:55,470 --> 01:26:57,870 that really helped it was a 1323 01:26:58,950 --> 01:27:02,970 bug with because it came from the live upgrades. Yeah, that 1324 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:07,980 that he I think that thing is 100% stable. Now, it's good. 1325 01:27:07,980 --> 01:27:10,980 It's good to go. I mean, you know, nobody can predict votes. 1326 01:27:10,980 --> 01:27:14,340 But as we, as we start to figure out this, rebranding of the 1327 01:27:14,340 --> 01:27:18,570 namespace and, and, and where things start to fit, I did want 1328 01:27:18,570 --> 01:27:22,260 to mention Daniel J. Lewis, who was very kind to start creating 1329 01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:25,950 a new website for podcasts. index.org, a lot of what you 1330 01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:29,880 did, Daniel actually influenced this. So yeah, clearly, it's 1331 01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,490 going to have to be different because we're, we're seeing the 1332 01:27:32,490 --> 01:27:34,380 strategy kind of unfold. 1333 01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:38,670 So on one hand, I want to say you know, that you were very 1334 01:27:38,670 --> 01:27:42,420 responsible for getting our heads in this space. Also, I'd 1335 01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:45,810 like to congratulate Daniel J. Lewis, for being accepted to the 1336 01:27:45,810 --> 01:27:51,120 board of the podcast Academy. Yes, absolutely. It's good to 1337 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,470 have one of our own there. 1338 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,120 Yeah, he's one of the 40% of independent pugs that kisses me 1339 01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:02,430 off to, you have no idea when I hear well, 40% of the of the 1340 01:28:02,430 --> 01:28:06,420 board is, is indie. podcasters. That's a good thing. I'm like, 1341 01:28:06,420 --> 01:28:10,590 No, that's not a good thing. That's lame. That's not equity, 1342 01:28:10,590 --> 01:28:14,940 either. By the way, that's very unwise joke. That's 50% less 1343 01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:17,580 than it should be. Yeah. Well, there you go. 1344 01:28:19,770 --> 01:28:22,740 And anyway, fine. I'm happy Daniel was there on the front 1345 01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:25,320 lines, and he'll be able to represent and I think the 1346 01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,470 podcast standards will be very important in propagating that, 1347 01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:32,250 throughout that, you know, that sector of podcasting, which is 1348 01:28:32,250 --> 01:28:37,080 really, you know, the high in my mind, I feel it's a lot more 1349 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:38,460 high end content, 1350 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,230 you know, investor money type stuff. That's what the podcast. 1351 01:28:43,530 --> 01:28:46,080 I mean, look, I just looked at evolutions, and I saw all the 1352 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,270 money that went in there, and you can see where it came from. 1353 01:28:49,290 --> 01:28:52,200 You know, and it didn't come from indies because indies have 1354 01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:57,150 no money. Right? Yeah. 2.0 did not donate a half a million 1355 01:28:57,150 --> 01:29:00,480 dollars to it. So Daniel J, we're very proud of you. You are 1356 01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:03,150 the token, but we're very proud of you. And you're the token 1357 01:29:03,150 --> 01:29:06,900 you're the you're the token indie. Attendee, the attendee 1358 01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:07,320 Yeah. 1359 01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:09,840 See, what 1360 01:29:11,490 --> 01:29:16,290 do you want to talk about? Lit about the list mediums. 1361 01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,750 The list mediums, does this does this pique your interest at all? 1362 01:29:22,740 --> 01:29:27,090 Sounds like yeah, like, like another variant of COVID. 1363 01:29:28,740 --> 01:29:33,720 This so that's what I was saying earlier. There's just so many 1364 01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:38,070 specs and proposals and drafts of things that it's like, just 1365 01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:41,010 covered up with with different with all these things to read 1366 01:29:41,070 --> 01:29:45,540 well, before you get into LIS mediums, then let me just say 1367 01:29:45,540 --> 01:29:49,830 that there will be more to read, as I am going to focus on 1368 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:55,980 value for value a proper I'll just call it the manifesto, but 1369 01:29:55,980 --> 01:29:59,400 something that can be turned into something that people can 1370 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:00,000 read on 1371 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,050 Understand, not have to read the whole thing to a little bit like 1372 01:30:04,050 --> 01:30:08,010 value for value.io, which is very down and dirty. But this 1373 01:30:08,010 --> 01:30:11,970 would be something that one of the number one requests I get 1374 01:30:11,970 --> 01:30:15,840 interestingly is I need a script. 1375 01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:21,390 Very, very interesting request, I need to risk to understand how 1376 01:30:21,390 --> 01:30:24,870 to complete the loop on booster grams and value for value. So 1377 01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:28,170 these kinds of things, the history, the concept, and but 1378 01:30:28,170 --> 01:30:31,290 also how to get started really fast, etcetera, etcetera. So, 1379 01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:33,930 I'm going to be writing that I'm going to be focusing on that 1380 01:30:33,930 --> 01:30:36,150 because we have the traction that brings people in 1381 01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:42,360 if if somebody needs a, a real world example, other than this 1382 01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:46,230 show, I mean, obviously, this show is a Yeah, absolute exam. 1383 01:30:46,230 --> 01:30:50,850 You're so busy. You're soaking. Yes. If somebody needs. There's 1384 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,340 just a couple of examples off top my head of people that do 1385 01:30:53,340 --> 01:30:58,140 this also very well. Linux unplugged. Yes. Fisher. Yeah. 1386 01:30:58,740 --> 01:31:03,450 And the intergalactic boombox, Callay bear. And these two shows 1387 01:31:03,450 --> 01:31:07,050 are do a very good job of doing of having a script. So we want 1388 01:31:07,050 --> 01:31:11,340 to have these examples. You know, I heard the message very 1389 01:31:11,340 --> 01:31:16,470 well from from Ed Ryan. And from James as well, you know, press 1390 01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:21,630 releases all this stuff. Fine. We'll do that. We'll do that. 1391 01:31:21,870 --> 01:31:24,720 We'll start feeding you stuff. And we'll also actually 1392 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,980 integrate the value for value branding into the way our 1393 01:31:28,980 --> 01:31:31,890 website because it's kind of a bastard right now it's not, you 1394 01:31:31,890 --> 01:31:35,400 know, V for V is a list of podcasts right now. It's not 1395 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:40,410 really clear. Anywhere. What? Yeah, that's almost fell down. 1396 01:31:41,190 --> 01:31:44,100 I'm standing up right now. Are you trying to put your pants on 1397 01:31:44,130 --> 01:31:45,000 he almost fell now. 1398 01:31:46,650 --> 01:31:47,850 I was reaching for my water. 1399 01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:49,680 Z. 1400 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,700 That's, that's one thing to discuss is that we're going to 1401 01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:59,010 try if at all humanly possible to have some of this stuff. Kind 1402 01:31:59,010 --> 01:32:03,300 of branded and ready for Podcast Movement data? Yes. We're all 1403 01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:06,480 gonna go and we're all gonna go to Dallas. Yeah, so we'll 1404 01:32:06,510 --> 01:32:09,210 hopefully we'll have some stand, you know, podcast standards, 1405 01:32:09,330 --> 01:32:12,390 stickers or whatever we're going to do. We'll have we'll have 1406 01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:15,960 some some media presence there. So podcast standards booth 1407 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,760 babes. Yeah. 1408 01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:20,430 Boothbay? Yeah, 1409 01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:24,660 I think it does Benjamin Richardson does he qualifies 1410 01:32:24,660 --> 01:32:27,750 booth, babe. I mean, he's totally we also know you need to 1411 01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:31,050 do it. Right. You know, ride the podcast standards mechanical 1412 01:32:31,050 --> 01:32:32,700 bull. And this is what you do. 1413 01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:37,770 There were at least five of those that Bitcoin 2022 Oh, 1414 01:32:37,770 --> 01:32:39,030 yeah. Ride the bull. 1415 01:32:40,650 --> 01:32:43,920 By the way, if you call invite your value for value, if you 1416 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,880 call it a manifesto, you it's required that you sign it with 1417 01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,730 your middle name, Adam. Adam Clark curry. Yes. Yeah. 1418 01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:53,100 Done, Consider it done. 1419 01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:57,480 We'll talk about lists mediums. I'd love to. 1420 01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:06,540 So this is a proposal by by Alex and, and I think is genius. I 1421 01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:09,780 think we should try to pipeline it into Phase Five, if at all 1422 01:33:09,780 --> 01:33:10,320 possible. 1423 01:33:11,820 --> 01:33:16,110 Stephen B, also concurs today because he was looking for this. 1424 01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,160 For curio caster for something similar, is only just get the 1425 01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,400 idea. You know, you're familiar with mediums. And so the mediums 1426 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,070 are things like where you can tag a 1427 01:33:27,330 --> 01:33:28,410 an RSS feed. 1428 01:33:29,730 --> 01:33:33,660 With what type of content this is. So audio book, podcast, 1429 01:33:33,690 --> 01:33:36,180 music, film, this sort of thing. 1430 01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:41,670 Right, yeah. Yeah. So you can that's, that's already there. 1431 01:33:41,700 --> 01:33:44,280 That was in Phase four, I believe. 1432 01:33:45,390 --> 01:33:48,870 The idea of a list of a list medium is, 1433 01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:54,210 is that you need this thing that there's a thing missing in 1434 01:33:54,210 --> 01:33:56,670 podcasting, which is the ability to do playlists. 1435 01:33:57,780 --> 01:34:01,410 Now playlists, you can do lists of feeds, like with OPML, or 1436 01:34:01,410 --> 01:34:05,730 anything, or something like that. But there's no notion of a 1437 01:34:05,790 --> 01:34:09,900 of a playlist of individual items like episodes. 1438 01:34:11,610 --> 01:34:16,140 And you can imagine that this would be very helpful. Because 1439 01:34:16,590 --> 01:34:19,320 if you especially if you have a proliferation of things like 1440 01:34:20,970 --> 01:34:24,720 like music podcasts, so you could you could assemble a 1441 01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,290 playlist of episodes of a music podcast, because each one of 1442 01:34:28,290 --> 01:34:29,310 them is a track. 1443 01:34:30,900 --> 01:34:33,990 And so he's he's put together this proposal and it depends on 1444 01:34:34,170 --> 01:34:38,790 on another on and on finalized tag. Another proposal called 1445 01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:39,720 Remote item. 1446 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,820 Who's that? Yeah, the idea here is that you can reference in a 1447 01:34:44,820 --> 01:34:45,390 feed 1448 01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:50,040 a different item, an item from a different feed. Nice, yes, and 1449 01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:55,050 inclusion. Exactly. Yeah, it's perfect. Perfect analogy isn't 1450 01:34:55,050 --> 01:34:57,330 included. It's like an OPML inclusion you can say 1451 01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,000 except it's not URL based. 1452 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,640 It's based on the GUID of the bottom of the remote feed. Now 1453 01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,720 new to the feed Natalie, podcast guid tag, reference, the good 1454 01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:14,310 and the good of the episode, right, right. And now you have a 1455 01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:19,500 unique identifier down to the episode of a feed. You can say, 1456 01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:23,280 Okay, here's the, here's a remote item that I want to pull 1457 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,010 in. And this could be interpreted on its own as 1458 01:35:26,010 --> 01:35:28,110 something like a suggestion or something like that, that you 1459 01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:32,910 can go read that spec. Now at, at pod show slash movie, we, we 1460 01:35:32,910 --> 01:35:36,180 did a lot of this. And we created a lot of these lists 1461 01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:41,820 making capabilities and the ability to share and I, we were 1462 01:35:41,820 --> 01:35:44,520 not doing them in any manner, like in a namespace, but 1463 01:35:45,570 --> 01:35:48,360 just the basic output functionality. And you could 1464 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,800 share your list. And so I could say, oh, let me see what, what 1465 01:35:52,830 --> 01:35:55,080 what episodes Dave has on deck today. 1466 01:35:56,250 --> 01:35:56,940 So Mike, 1467 01:35:58,110 --> 01:36:01,770 that got zero traction, no one used it didn't work, too. I'm 1468 01:36:01,770 --> 01:36:04,620 curious, how does this surface and what is the user 1469 01:36:04,620 --> 01:36:10,620 functionality and or the UX may be for this? I don't know about 1470 01:36:10,620 --> 01:36:14,640 that. I think there's a demand for list making capabilities. 1471 01:36:14,910 --> 01:36:19,830 from the user perspective. I mean, I certainly love having my 1472 01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:25,530 episode list in in curio caster or in pod verse does a good job 1473 01:36:25,530 --> 01:36:28,620 of it. So I just say, Oh, here's the new episode by a pod friend, 1474 01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:29,130 of course. 1475 01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:35,250 But for the podcaster to make a list, what is it for who was the 1476 01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:37,080 consumer? How does it surface? 1477 01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,960 I think this is purely or not purely, but I think a lot of 1478 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,980 this is user centric, not not related to the podcast, or 1479 01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:50,760 podcaster could could create one and then drop it in there as 1480 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,270 Okay, okay, I just list Okay, got it. Got it. Yeah. So like a 1481 01:36:54,270 --> 01:37:00,330 curio caster listener could add episodes that they really love 1482 01:37:00,330 --> 01:37:04,560 to a, to an ongoing sort of playlist, the way that Spotify 1483 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:11,550 works for music, and then share that list, share that list out 1484 01:37:11,550 --> 01:37:15,540 with other people who could then follow them and get updates, 1485 01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:17,070 sort of like a synthetic feed 1486 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,820 type of thing where you could subscribe to somebody else's 1487 01:37:20,820 --> 01:37:24,390 Lists List. And we're at how do I publish this list? 1488 01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:28,950 Well, I mean, that would be out, you know, app to app, they would 1489 01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:33,600 have to be or you if certain a certain apps that had probably 1490 01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:37,470 like sovereign feeds, they have a curio caster has the ability 1491 01:37:37,470 --> 01:37:40,830 to it's got a feed publishing mechanism, there's some in it, 1492 01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:43,710 he could do it directly. But then if you had another app that 1493 01:37:43,710 --> 01:37:47,310 didn't have that, or didn't want that, they could just provide 1494 01:37:47,310 --> 01:37:50,970 you, you know, the feed, and then you could do you know, 1495 01:37:50,970 --> 01:37:54,900 share it out some other way? I don't know. But it'd be it'd be 1496 01:37:54,900 --> 01:37:58,710 interesting to see a ecosystem build up around this where they 1497 01:37:58,710 --> 01:37:59,280 were just, 1498 01:38:00,510 --> 01:38:03,390 here's one of the exciting things to me about, about a 1499 01:38:03,390 --> 01:38:04,860 thing like this is that 1500 01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,030 everybody cries about discoverability? Constantly. 1501 01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:14,190 Yeah, sorry. No, not everybody. Everybody, but Adam, is about 1502 01:38:14,430 --> 01:38:17,460 discoverability. Constantly. And 1503 01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:21,570 but everybody, but when people think about solving 1504 01:38:21,570 --> 01:38:25,650 discoverability, they only think about, hey, let's, let's VC a 1505 01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:29,640 company and put a bunch of AI in there, crap like that. But 1506 01:38:29,670 --> 01:38:36,060 that's not that mean discoverability is, is what you 1507 01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:39,780 said in the past word of mouth. But if you have a playlist, 1508 01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,790 sharing capability, this this this this open, and a standard 1509 01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:49,680 OS spec, well, then you can replace the the word of mouth 1510 01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,620 part of it, you can translate that into digital form is that 1511 01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:55,980 this is this is digital word of mouth. I'm literally showing you 1512 01:38:55,980 --> 01:38:59,670 what I listened to. Or you can have a playlist of favorites 1513 01:38:59,670 --> 01:39:02,460 where every time you star something in the app, like, Oh, 1514 01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:05,010 that was a good, you know, good episode, which a lot of people 1515 01:39:05,010 --> 01:39:10,320 use in apps like overcast as starring, it could get that lit 1516 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,520 that those starred items can become a playlist. And now you 1517 01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,970 have now you're sharing the discoverability in with the 1518 01:39:17,970 --> 01:39:22,410 world. Like, I think it's a great idea. It's a great idea. 1519 01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:25,920 I'm excited to see it. I'm even more excited to see people use 1520 01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,720 it. i Yeah, I'm skeptical over this as a discovery mechanism. I 1521 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:35,100 think clips is a great discovery mechanism. I don't know what the 1522 01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:38,880 uptake on that is either. I just don't hear any great success 1523 01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,420 stories. And I am completely biased because I don't believe 1524 01:39:42,420 --> 01:39:46,230 that's how people discover podcasts. But I can see other 1525 01:39:46,230 --> 01:39:49,290 use cases that I would probably put together 1526 01:39:55,230 --> 01:39:58,620 I don't know. I don't know. We need the difference here between 1527 01:39:58,620 --> 01:39:59,970 clips and 1528 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,140 And something like this is that clips inherently require a lot 1529 01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:08,010 of effort. You gotta go in there and you and it's gonna take you 1530 01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,540 on a good device that's easy to use, it's gonna take you four or 1531 01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:16,890 five minutes to create a clip with something like a playlist, 1532 01:40:17,310 --> 01:40:21,390 the app, and this is just, I can just envision a scenario like 1533 01:40:21,390 --> 01:40:27,960 this where an app says, Do you want to share your favorites in 1534 01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:33,870 a public playlist? And you can say, if you said yes, from then 1535 01:40:33,870 --> 01:40:37,200 on, whenever you hit star, that thing, just, it is just 1536 01:40:37,230 --> 01:40:41,610 instantaneous. Like it requires zero effort. 1537 01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,860 That's a way that I think that that you could get something 1538 01:40:46,860 --> 01:40:52,050 like this to work. Where as a clip is just, it requires so 1539 01:40:52,050 --> 01:40:55,470 much effort and fiddling, moving the little slider back and 1540 01:40:55,470 --> 01:40:57,810 forth, and you mess it up and you get, you know, you 1541 01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:02,160 accidentally go. It's sort of tedious, but a bit of a playlist 1542 01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:06,300 is it could be designed where it's very minimal effort, or 1543 01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:10,920 none. Yeah, yeah. Possible. Yeah. I mean, I don't have time 1544 01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,410 for playlists in my life. So again, I'm biased. 1545 01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:17,670 I don't have time to listen to all these podcasts. 1546 01:41:18,690 --> 01:41:22,740 I'd admit that I'm struggling to, I've got like, I've got so 1547 01:41:22,740 --> 01:41:24,900 many one was, I can't list you know, one of the things that we 1548 01:41:24,900 --> 01:41:27,270 did create back in the day, which never took off, either. 1549 01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:29,850 And this is good, because going back to Dave Winer days was 1550 01:41:29,850 --> 01:41:31,260 share your OPML. 1551 01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:35,880 I remember that. Yeah. And I really liked that idea. Because 1552 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:39,390 then everyone has the opportunity to publish their 1553 01:41:39,390 --> 01:41:42,030 subscription list. Now, you could do this with a list of 1554 01:41:42,030 --> 01:41:47,100 favorites. So it's very valid with with this list, list tag. 1555 01:41:48,270 --> 01:41:50,760 But then eventually, what you want is you want that to be 1556 01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:54,720 aggregated somewhere. Now you have some data about people 1557 01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:59,790 subscribing, you know, how many lists on things on there, 1558 01:41:59,790 --> 01:42:02,760 there's, there's all kinds of great things that can be done 1559 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:08,130 with with something like this. But I think ultimately, I just 1560 01:42:08,130 --> 01:42:10,470 need to see the use cases, I think we should put it all in 1561 01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:13,110 there make it all possible, because there's someone coming 1562 01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:15,510 up with a use case that I can't figure out and it's going to be 1563 01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:18,390 great, I'm sure. Yeah. And I've used this example before, I 1564 01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:20,160 think I think maybe 1565 01:42:21,330 --> 01:42:26,670 says we found that we found a use case for the source tag and 1566 01:42:26,670 --> 01:42:30,240 the freedom controller. And we went back like we needed, we 1567 01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:34,590 needed some functionality in there to do we had the freedom 1568 01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:36,180 controller to threaded comments. 1569 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:41,070 Oh, right. Oh, my God, I remember that. Yeah. Perfect 1570 01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:45,030 example. Great technology. We don't use it. Yeah. And it you 1571 01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:48,630 and it used the source tag to do it. And we went back and found 1572 01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:51,360 that tag and said, Okay, we can adapt this. So if we have this 1573 01:42:51,390 --> 01:42:55,350 in there, some person in the future can come up with some 1574 01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:59,730 rockin use case for that and be like, Yeah, this is great. So 1575 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,920 I'm all for it. Obviously, I'm all for it. 1576 01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:07,290 Yeah, by the way, on a happy note that we finally got our 1577 01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:08,850 $5,000 back. 1578 01:43:11,370 --> 01:43:15,150 You know, someone had opened a 10 million Satoshi channel to 1579 01:43:15,150 --> 01:43:21,390 us. And then oh, yeah, and then ran it all to our side. And then 1580 01:43:21,420 --> 01:43:26,400 just left, when offline, just left. It's great. But so that 1581 01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,520 meant I had to force close the channel, which meant we had to 1582 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:36,150 wait 780 blocks before we could get our money back. Geez, how 1583 01:43:36,150 --> 01:43:43,470 much? How much cash was that? $5,000. Good grief. Yeah, it was 1584 01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:46,770 it was suck. We couldn't open a channels we had very, very low. 1585 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,160 We had only maybe a million sets left to open some channels with. 1586 01:43:50,820 --> 01:43:54,000 And this is the this is the answer to when people are like, 1587 01:43:54,030 --> 01:43:57,750 you know, the complaint about the fees on the for routing fees 1588 01:43:57,750 --> 01:44:00,600 like Well, yeah, because crap like this happens. Yeah, I mean, 1589 01:44:00,630 --> 01:44:04,530 we literally, you know, our money was locked up for for I 1590 01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:08,010 don't know, how many days was that? It's almost two weeks. I 1591 01:44:08,010 --> 01:44:09,240 think it took forever. 1592 01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:13,500 It's like roughly 10 minutes of blocks. I said it's probably 1593 01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:18,660 less than that. Yeah, so lettered minutes, you know, 700, 1594 01:44:18,690 --> 01:44:23,430 right. 750 blocks times 10. So seven and a half. 1000 minutes. 1595 01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:29,520 Yes. 7500 minutes. So it's how many hours divided by 60? Yeah. 1596 01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,770 Oh, my god. I can't do this. 1597 01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:34,440 I could, but I don't have a calculator. 1598 01:44:35,550 --> 01:44:42,120 I got one. Let's see. Okay. 770 7500 minutes divided by 660 1599 01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:48,180 minutes in an hour. 125 hours, divided by 74. There's only four 1600 01:44:48,330 --> 01:44:50,400 and a half, five days felt longer. 1601 01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:52,500 But a week. Yeah. 1602 01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:58,200 And that's, that's the HDLC mechanism that you have. You 1603 01:44:58,200 --> 01:44:59,970 have to wait up here. 1604 01:45:01,709 --> 01:45:05,669 So if you wonder why we'd like to make some money off of 1605 01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:07,229 routing, there's your answer. 1606 01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:14,040 You want to thank some people and then we'll, yes. Anything 1607 01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:15,510 else? Yeah, I think we can do that. 1608 01:45:19,650 --> 01:45:23,490 Value for value. I'm writing the manifesto was Adam Clarke curry. 1609 01:45:24,270 --> 01:45:27,690 But it's very simple. If you value what you're hearing, if 1610 01:45:27,690 --> 01:45:31,920 you value what is being done, turn that into numbers, and send 1611 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,520 that to us, whatever is valuable to you. And this is the way it 1612 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,840 should work because of the vapid nature of media. It can mean a 1613 01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,780 lot to somebody or nothing, so we don't force it on you. And we 1614 01:45:42,780 --> 01:45:45,870 don't have creepy corporate money or advertising. We just 1615 01:45:45,870 --> 01:45:49,740 asked you to support it, so that we can continue and so far so 1616 01:45:49,740 --> 01:45:53,160 good. As long as we remain frugal. You can support us 1617 01:45:54,300 --> 01:45:57,480 at podcasts index.org through your Fiat fun coupons there at 1618 01:45:57,480 --> 01:46:01,230 the bottom we got a donate button for PayPal, also for on 1619 01:46:01,230 --> 01:46:04,800 chain if you want to send bitcoin to us on chain. And of 1620 01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,440 course our favorite method is with a modern podcast app, which 1621 01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:11,400 you can find at new podcast apps.com and boost us 1622 01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:15,630 and we're gonna get to thanks. Thanks for people right now who 1623 01:46:15,630 --> 01:46:21,390 supported this episode. Oost Wayne Parker gave us $50 through 1624 01:46:21,390 --> 01:46:24,720 PayPal it's a one time donation whoo nice thank you. Yeah, thank 1625 01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,530 you well, I'm not sure if he wanted me to he's got a paid 1626 01:46:28,530 --> 01:46:31,380 this from an LLC and I'm not sure if he wanted me to name it. 1627 01:46:31,380 --> 01:46:34,680 So if if you would like to let us know me send me an email. 1628 01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,040 Yeah. Thank you Wayne. Appreciate that. Dr. One time 1629 01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:45,090 and Joseph naggy Jr. or Nagy or naggy in a G why give us $5 For 1630 01:46:45,090 --> 01:46:49,920 one time, one time contribution he says value for value. All 1631 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,490 right, thank you very much, because that is boost. Should I 1632 01:46:53,490 --> 01:46:56,190 do these live booster grams that we received before we get into 1633 01:46:56,190 --> 01:46:57,330 the big boosts? 1634 01:46:58,530 --> 01:47:01,710 Hit it. We got a couple people who are listening live 1635 01:47:02,730 --> 01:47:05,610 and I've been boosting live we got Carolyn 1636 01:47:06,930 --> 01:47:11,220 888 SATs I wear sunglasses when listening to podcasts and 2.0 1637 01:47:11,220 --> 01:47:16,170 the future of podcasting is bright hashtag boost chain. Then 1638 01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:22,080 we got a whole bunch of 333 33 SATs here's Chad F with 10,000 1639 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,860 SATs and he he's cross promoting even though boosting this show 1640 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,250 can't wait for the next episode of Korean the keeper. Thank you. 1641 01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,730 Yeah, we're gonna do that. Monday or Tuesday. Blue douche 1642 01:47:32,730 --> 01:47:37,980 5000 SATs keep it up podcast and 2.0 Chat F with another 5000 1643 01:47:37,980 --> 01:47:43,050 SATs for the Live episode hard hat 2222 Row ducks for you right 1644 01:47:43,050 --> 01:47:45,060 there on air exclamation mark. 1645 01:47:46,230 --> 01:47:52,860 We got November for Victor X ray with a freedom boost 1776 or 1646 01:47:52,860 --> 01:47:56,310 Patriot boost where the pants are optional but pews are not 1647 01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:57,300 new podcast. That's 1648 01:47:59,310 --> 01:48:02,910 right. I might take them off before the show and 10,000 again 1649 01:48:02,910 --> 01:48:09,240 from Chad f we do it live you says and we have 2356 sets from 1650 01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:14,400 Steven B. He says this is a $1 boost pre live show boost. By 1651 01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:18,360 the way I appreciate he put in Fiat translators now and curio 1652 01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:23,730 Kassar. Yes. Interesting. I did want to say that I kind of miss 1653 01:48:23,730 --> 01:48:27,120 being able to switch that anywhere I see I see a number. 1654 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,180 So you have to go to settings to change it and it changes 1655 01:48:30,180 --> 01:48:33,180 universally. I like just being like looking at SATs and just 1656 01:48:33,180 --> 01:48:36,150 tapping something and go okay, that's this many dollars tap 1657 01:48:36,150 --> 01:48:39,120 back. That's just a personal preference, but I love that 1658 01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,060 you've done it Steven. And that's it. That's what I have on 1659 01:48:42,060 --> 01:48:46,380 the live booster Gramps. We got some nonlife booster grams which 1660 01:48:46,380 --> 01:48:50,910 is and now just I just took this date from because we had picked 1661 01:48:50,910 --> 01:48:53,130 it up where we left off because the dates were weird. So 1662 01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,870 live is lit. We had a successful launch of the live item tag this 1663 01:48:57,870 --> 01:49:00,570 past Sunday afternoon agenda and this is from blueberry. Oh, 1664 01:49:00,570 --> 01:49:04,650 nice. And he says blueberries eat from 1665 01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:10,050 out what's the what's the name of the podcast? Blueberries in 1666 01:49:10,050 --> 01:49:13,170 the chat right now. Blueberry. Okay, behind the schemes. Is 1667 01:49:13,170 --> 01:49:15,480 that Yes, I believe so. Yes. Behind the schemes? I believe 1668 01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:19,050 so. Yeah. And hug story. Okay, so this is excited to see more 1669 01:49:19,050 --> 01:49:21,840 apps adopt this feature. It's a hard decision between which is 1670 01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,630 more fun chapters or the lifetags we make custom heart 1671 01:49:24,750 --> 01:49:27,690 for each chapter for your viewing pleasure. Every Monday 1672 01:49:27,690 --> 01:49:30,270 night following hug story we will be live with behind the 1673 01:49:30,270 --> 01:49:33,690 scheme's and curio caster. Hey, baby. I was listening to a PC 1674 01:49:33,690 --> 01:49:38,220 2.0 app because you're lit. Oh, I just had an idea. I just had 1675 01:49:38,220 --> 01:49:38,730 an idea. 1676 01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:43,200 And I heard the chapters, too. First of all, I want to thank 1677 01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:47,370 Dred Scott for doing an amazing job if you want to. If you want 1678 01:49:47,370 --> 01:49:50,820 to see some crazy ass chapters go look at no agenda, Episode 1679 01:49:50,820 --> 01:49:56,220 1440 It was a four hour end of show mix extravaganza. And I 1680 01:49:56,220 --> 01:49:59,940 sent him the list of 154 tracks that were used. 1681 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:08,760 Danny, Danny turned it into 154 chapters with images. How cool 1682 01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,060 is that? It's, you'd look at that it's you get blown away. 1683 01:50:12,210 --> 01:50:16,650 Here's the thought I just had. Wouldn't it be interesting if 1684 01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,960 you have, like a live show, but it could also be the I think the 1685 01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:26,070 live show where the booster grams that come in are 1686 01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:31,500 immediately converted into a chapter marker with the message. 1687 01:50:32,820 --> 01:50:38,790 Oh, with that person's icon as the image or whatever or chosen 1688 01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:43,290 image representation. That's a great idea. How badass would 1689 01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:50,610 that be? Okay, so this relates to the Jaypee T. proposal. We 1690 01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:53,910 can talk about that after the initial segment. They did that 1691 01:50:53,940 --> 01:50:57,210 this may be a good fit. All right. All right. We'll finish 1692 01:50:57,210 --> 01:51:02,610 and then I'll like it was a called JpT JpT. Geo JSON, JSON 1693 01:51:02,610 --> 01:51:07,980 payment token. Now brothers, Daniel J. Lewis JSON thing. No, 1694 01:51:07,980 --> 01:51:13,380 no, no, no. I'm just kidding. No. J Daniel has. He's not he's 1695 01:51:13,380 --> 01:51:16,470 got too much responsibility with podcast Board of Governors. He's 1696 01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:20,190 not not only that. He's got a kid. He's got the board got the 1697 01:51:20,250 --> 01:51:24,240 academy. Governor, Director, board ship whatever the hell it 1698 01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:24,420 is. 1699 01:51:25,650 --> 01:51:30,750 For JSON anymore. He's moved on. Yeah. All right. Anonymous 4242 1700 01:51:30,750 --> 01:51:34,170 through cast ematic and it just says confetti. We don't really 1701 01:51:34,170 --> 01:51:38,190 have a confetti streamer. You go get the Fauci pop boost. 1702 01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:41,880 Boost. That's a confetti pop. All right. 1703 01:51:43,110 --> 01:51:47,430 Chad Pharaoh 1000 SATs through fountain and he says I listen to 1704 01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:49,950 no agenda on cassette I would listen to no agenda on cassette 1705 01:51:49,950 --> 01:51:51,210 tape if I knew what that was 1706 01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:58,230 in for VX a row of ones a 1111 He says no agenda social the 1707 01:51:58,230 --> 01:51:59,700 best strap on in the universe. 1708 01:52:02,070 --> 01:52:06,300 Okay, bombshell, whatever that means. Yeah, right. Anonymous, 1709 01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:09,720 another anonymous through 1313 13 through cast medic with 1710 01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:12,960 Vicious confetti, so somebody's confetti being us. Yes. 1711 01:52:14,430 --> 01:52:19,140 Spam proof sends us 5000 SATs through cast Matic is this 1712 01:52:19,140 --> 01:52:23,010 podcast index 2.0 was the reason I finally saw a path forward for 1713 01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:25,800 Bitcoin because of your use of the Lightning Network. Enjoy 1714 01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,880 these pennies. Oh, thank you. Yeah, and he sent another 10,000 1715 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,510 SATs also with the same with same donation notes so 15,000 1716 01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:35,460 Total Thank you beautiful love that. 1717 01:52:36,780 --> 01:52:41,070 Here's your cute a booth. You know you want yeah. 1718 01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:50,640 So our buddy ROI ROI Schonfeld from breeze 5004 54,321 SAS 1719 01:52:50,670 --> 01:52:51,600 through the breeze app 1720 01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,760 direct quote from Roy fuck all the Bitcoin haters 1721 01:53:04,140 --> 01:53:09,180 boost boost boost Spoken like a true yeah, Max Ray. Yeah 1722 01:53:11,190 --> 01:53:16,170 he is our biggest cheerleader they've yes oh my goodness. Oh 1723 01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:19,710 my goodness. Yeah, he is he really is. He makes us look 1724 01:53:19,710 --> 01:53:23,490 good. Yeah, he does. I like that about people when they make me 1725 01:53:23,490 --> 01:53:27,240 look good make us look good. Yeah. Can't Pharaoh 1000 SATs he 1726 01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:32,550 says I love the free CSV add a bit CSV did too well. It's 1727 01:53:32,580 --> 01:53:36,690 that's part of value for value. You know? It works both ways. 1728 01:53:37,980 --> 01:53:41,430 Oscar Mary said I think we 5000 SAS he says I think we fixed the 1729 01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:44,280 emojis now let me know Yes, you did. I see a string of emojis 1730 01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:48,270 here. And they they are lightning fire confetti and 1731 01:53:48,270 --> 01:53:49,050 running with scissors. 1732 01:53:52,350 --> 01:53:55,620 Thank you Oscar. And he had another test boost as well for 1733 01:53:55,620 --> 01:53:58,620 emojis and yes, we got those two other 5000 SATs. 1734 01:53:59,850 --> 01:54:04,560 Shawn Trenary sin 2500 SAS new fountain he says Happy Holidays 1735 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:04,860 Adam. 1736 01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:09,150 Thanks very happy after well wasn't quite that happy? Are you 1737 01:54:09,150 --> 01:54:09,990 doing booster? 1738 01:54:11,070 --> 01:54:13,920 Signs of new growth a good music podcast if you need one to 1739 01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:19,740 listen to check it out. I highly recommend he's sent 3333 sets 1740 01:54:19,740 --> 01:54:22,290 through fountain and he says Dave Jones tech support boost 1741 01:54:25,380 --> 01:54:30,510 our buddy Martin from pod France sent 6464 SATs I wonder what the 1742 01:54:30,510 --> 01:54:36,180 new interesting 6464 pod two pod friendly says boosting to show 1743 01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:37,320 you I'm still alive. 1744 01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:43,470 We know you're alive. Nobody can kill ya. He's indestructible. 1745 01:54:43,650 --> 01:54:44,250 Yes. 1746 01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:49,260 Unbreakable. Unbreakable Mark Brewster. He was at the dev 1747 01:54:49,260 --> 01:54:51,780 meeting the other day and it's good to see good to see Martin 1748 01:54:51,810 --> 01:54:52,890 Yeah. Oh cool. 1749 01:54:54,750 --> 01:54:59,310 Air statica since 2370 success through fountain and he says Mr. 1750 01:54:59,310 --> 01:55:00,000 Graham's are not lost. 1751 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:00,990 Sending messages 1752 01:55:02,370 --> 01:55:03,840 got it? We got 1753 01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:10,380 we got it and he sent another 2376 and said I had no idea Mr. 1754 01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:13,110 grands would become so controversial thanks for doing 1755 01:55:13,110 --> 01:55:13,620 the work 1756 01:55:15,150 --> 01:55:18,750 boost in the world of the internet anything can become 1757 01:55:18,750 --> 01:55:19,410 anything just 1758 01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:27,960 oh now like this I don't think you've seen this Steven be sent 1759 01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:31,920 in a donation but he's the be in His name is the Bitcoin symbol 1760 01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:39,030 Oh slick nice 2289 SATs through curio caster and he says curio 1761 01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:43,140 casters first Fiat fun boost twitch $2 in the wallet settings 1762 01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:47,310 to the amount in dollars right so that's interesting so he sent 1763 01:55:47,310 --> 01:55:52,410 $1 at the time and it translate that to that amount which of 1764 01:55:52,410 --> 01:55:57,180 course is completely meaningless in numerology but yeah, it's 1765 01:55:57,210 --> 01:56:00,930 it's it's fun to see how that works when people can also do 1766 01:56:00,930 --> 01:56:02,040 that in Fiat 1767 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,830 it's literally Fiat on coupons. It's a coupon for some SATs, 1768 01:56:07,980 --> 01:56:11,130 y'all y'all know ha man there's so much to think about we can do 1769 01:56:11,130 --> 01:56:15,450 so much with with booster grams. My My mind is just spinning 1770 01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:20,850 programmable money. It brought broadcast double money. Yeah, 1771 01:56:20,910 --> 01:56:24,360 that's the winner. We're gonna get the t shirt that says I've 1772 01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:27,450 got you in my cron job. They like that's that's an important 1773 01:56:27,450 --> 01:56:31,320 t shirt that needs to exist. Oh my goodness. Well, I think I 1774 01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:36,630 think our team over there to no agenda or podcast index dot shop 1775 01:56:36,900 --> 01:56:41,130 will take the team the team Yeah, it's it's a team. It's a 1776 01:56:41,130 --> 01:56:45,210 team. Yes, it is husband wife, but it's a team is not our team. 1777 01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:48,450 No, it's not our team. We're very happy for and by the way, 1778 01:56:48,450 --> 01:56:52,380 if you buy any of the podcast, any of the merchant podcast, 1779 01:56:53,310 --> 01:56:57,030 podcasts index dot shop, that a portion of that goes to the 1780 01:56:57,030 --> 01:57:00,390 artists the portion goes to the shop and a portion gets donated 1781 01:57:00,390 --> 01:57:04,860 to podcasting 2.0 And we also have the certified shirt which 1782 01:57:05,580 --> 01:57:09,360 we now have pegged at total and it doesn't matter as long as you 1783 01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:14,190 keep your own accounting total up to $125 in Fiat then you'll 1784 01:57:14,190 --> 01:57:17,310 get one of those handsome shirts, honor system, like 1785 01:57:17,310 --> 01:57:20,730 everything of course. Nomad, Joe gave us 2000 SATs through 1786 01:57:20,730 --> 01:57:24,810 fountain and he says let's have a mellow week. Okay, great 1787 01:57:24,810 --> 01:57:26,460 mellow week mellowing D. 1788 01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:33,060 Billy Newman 833 sets as go podcasting. I'm learning how to 1789 01:57:33,060 --> 01:57:35,610 Batch Edit my podcast audio in terminal 1790 01:57:38,670 --> 01:57:42,840 in terminal because that's hardcore. Yeah. 1791 01:57:44,250 --> 01:57:47,370 Sounds new growth and it's another 3333 sets and thanking 1792 01:57:47,370 --> 01:57:50,400 me for the for the tech support and you're welcome for that. 1793 01:57:51,450 --> 01:57:58,440 Let's see here. Brian. Brian of London, sent us 22,759 SATs to 1794 01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:03,060 the V for the Rube Goldberg machine. He says weekly $10 V 1795 01:58:03,060 --> 01:58:06,780 for V donation converted from SAS to SAS from Brian of London 1796 01:58:06,780 --> 01:58:09,870 and the hive Dao go podcasting. 1797 01:58:13,050 --> 01:58:15,210 Nice Thanks, Brian. Thank you, Brian. 1798 01:58:16,410 --> 01:58:20,280 As the chyron from the mere mortals podcast 2222 through pod 1799 01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:24,780 friend and he says Insert woke confused voice. Quote, Adam and 1800 01:58:24,780 --> 01:58:27,540 Dave are solely in it for the fame and more importantly the 1801 01:58:27,540 --> 01:58:31,200 money. They're also ruining podcasting and the planet with 1802 01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:34,320 imaginary digital money that has no value whatsoever. These two 1803 01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,120 statements are not contradictory, unquote. 1804 01:58:37,980 --> 01:58:39,210 And we're killing ducks. 1805 01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:46,560 Insert Chad podcasting 2.0 voice transcripts helping the disabled 1806 01:58:46,590 --> 01:58:50,790 60 Chapter art pod pain saving the planet V for Vigo burr 1807 01:58:54,270 --> 01:58:54,810 as for me 1808 01:58:56,970 --> 01:59:03,000 and the delimiter chemistry at block 33 There he is. From pod 1809 01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,150 FF Randy says howdy podcasting 2.0 Team God forsake Russian 1810 01:59:06,150 --> 01:59:10,320 invaders as they forsake peace in the US God and your listeners 1811 01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:14,310 are invited to a biweekly podcast named AI cooking spoken 1812 01:59:14,310 --> 01:59:18,210 by Gregory William Forsythe forming from Kid yo yo Thank 1813 01:59:18,210 --> 01:59:20,610 you. Thanks comics for Blogger. 1814 01:59:22,290 --> 01:59:24,420 The only ones like when's the show you're doing the show as 1815 01:59:24,420 --> 01:59:26,460 the show live because I got a boost right now. I want to make 1816 01:59:26,460 --> 01:59:28,530 sure I get Did you receive the boost? He gets a boost. Can you 1817 01:59:28,530 --> 01:59:29,400 confirm to get the boost? 1818 01:59:30,780 --> 01:59:34,020 I like I like F Russia and also listen to my podcast. 1819 01:59:35,970 --> 01:59:40,980 Yeah, it's such a friendly way of promoting it. Monthly 1820 01:59:40,980 --> 01:59:44,010 contributors. That's our booths. And yes, thank you everybody. 1821 01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:49,950 Monthly guys are a pod verse $50. Thank you pod verse. DT. 1822 01:59:51,660 --> 01:59:55,440 Chris hyperbaric $10 And congratulations to Chris for 1823 01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,280 shipping. The podcast, Jimmy YES. Very nice. 1824 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,010 Mitch Downey $10 Thank you, Mitch. Lauren ball $24.20 1825 02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:08,160 Lauren, I don't know what that numerology means if you can tell 1826 02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:12,630 me 24 What? $24.20 or 20? 1827 02:00:13,710 --> 02:00:17,640 I don't know. I don't know either. Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy 1828 02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:23,760 new $5 and David Mitas $10 A David, I forgot to follow up 1829 02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:28,020 with you. I was helping I was helping David with a move his 1830 02:00:28,110 --> 02:00:31,950 stuff from voltage to an Umbral, and I think it rolled off my 1831 02:00:31,950 --> 02:00:35,220 Mastodon and I forgot to go back. So ping me and I'll help 1832 02:00:35,220 --> 02:00:36,390 you if you still need up. 1833 02:00:37,710 --> 02:00:41,730 Oh, now that's, that's actually kind of important. Okay, because 1834 02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:46,590 it's very hard when you move to a different value block 1835 02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:52,770 or node in your in your value block. There's so much caching 1836 02:00:52,770 --> 02:00:55,860 going on? Yeah, it's 1837 02:00:57,150 --> 02:01:01,500 because I knew when when my node broke, I still wanted to be able 1838 02:01:01,500 --> 02:01:05,340 to get the 1% from no agenda to see what was coming in during 1839 02:01:05,340 --> 02:01:05,910 the 1840 02:01:07,620 --> 02:01:10,770 during the big four hour extravaganza, so I switched it 1841 02:01:10,770 --> 02:01:15,990 over to my backup node. I have a second Umbral here. And I would 1842 02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:21,930 say probably, I don't know, maybe 40% went there and the 1843 02:01:21,930 --> 02:01:25,770 rest failed because the other node was down. It was your split 1844 02:01:25,770 --> 02:01:28,680 your split brain at that point, you get to things happen. And 1845 02:01:28,740 --> 02:01:33,180 yeah, but it's, I don't know, just replay. It's one thing to 1846 02:01:33,180 --> 02:01:36,150 be able to replace. And I think we talked about this, you know, 1847 02:01:36,360 --> 02:01:38,070 what if I just want to migrate 1848 02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:45,900 all of the curry in the keeper to a different node ID. So that 1849 02:01:45,900 --> 02:01:48,030 would have to be changed in the database for every single 1850 02:01:48,030 --> 02:01:50,820 episode because I do it by episode not by channel. Yeah. 1851 02:01:51,150 --> 02:01:54,240 And then and then apps just seem to be caching it. 1852 02:01:55,530 --> 02:01:55,860 Yeah. 1853 02:01:57,030 --> 02:02:00,750 Yeah, the cat I don't know. As most of the caches seem like 1854 02:02:00,750 --> 02:02:03,840 they're fairly sane. I mean, like five minutes or so. But 1855 02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,270 then there's a couple that are always a little confused me a 1856 02:02:06,270 --> 02:02:07,050 little bit. Yeah. 1857 02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:10,590 I don't know. Just throwing it out there. 1858 02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:17,760 Boris Berezovsky. $1. Joseph maraca $5 Mark Graham $1 Chad 1859 02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:20,640 Pharaoh $20.22. Thank you, Chad. I 1860 02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:27,450 don't know what that numerology is either 2120 22 or 2022 is the 1861 02:02:27,450 --> 02:02:29,850 year we're in the year. Hello. Hello. 1862 02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:34,860 Yeah, I need to take my pants back off. Oops. Loretta 1863 02:02:34,860 --> 02:02:40,050 Vandenberg. $10. Scott Jalbert. $12. In that's our group. Thank 1864 02:02:40,050 --> 02:02:43,230 you all so much. That is done these. There's some new names in 1865 02:02:43,230 --> 02:02:46,380 here that I don't think I've heard some new boost. Yeah, his 1866 02:02:46,380 --> 02:02:50,100 name, man. Thank you, thank you all so much for supporting the 1867 02:02:50,100 --> 02:02:53,940 project for supporting the show for supporting the work. It goes 1868 02:02:53,940 --> 02:02:56,160 toward goes directly towards everything we're doing. 1869 02:02:57,870 --> 02:03:01,290 The nodes, the liquidity, the servers, the polars is 1870 02:03:01,290 --> 02:03:01,860 everything. 1871 02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:08,160 And vortex, the polar vortex. And please continue to support 1872 02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:11,280 us any way you can with anything you want. We take time, talent 1873 02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:14,700 and treasure. It doesn't have to be money it can be doing some 1874 02:03:14,700 --> 02:03:18,330 code can be working on the website can be I mean that you 1875 02:03:18,330 --> 02:03:21,000 can participate in many, many ways we do ultimately need 1876 02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:25,050 treasure as well. But so far, we're moving ahead and we're 1877 02:03:25,050 --> 02:03:27,780 breaking even so we feel pretty good about it. And we can always 1878 02:03:27,780 --> 02:03:32,580 just shut down shit. Go from from nine to seven polars. Okay, 1879 02:03:32,580 --> 02:03:35,640 so it's a little slower. It should be okay. It's dynamic. 1880 02:03:35,640 --> 02:03:37,710 That way we can scale it dynamically. 1881 02:03:39,480 --> 02:03:44,670 jpg got it? I got an ISO. Oh, you want to drop that one? Yeah, 1882 02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:48,150 a premium experience on quant. 1883 02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:54,240 It's a premium experience. That's what it was. Yes, we are 1884 02:03:54,240 --> 02:04:00,510 a premium experience. We are. Unquote. Okay. The Yeah. JpT. So 1885 02:04:01,170 --> 02:04:06,180 this is a proposal upon the namespace. And if you are so 1886 02:04:06,180 --> 02:04:10,200 inclined and feel a technical bent toward it, I would suggest 1887 02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:11,760 that some that you go read it. 1888 02:04:13,260 --> 02:04:15,090 The The idea here 1889 02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:20,280 is that at some point in the future we're going to need and 1890 02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:22,980 this is not just applicable to lightning, by the way this is 1891 02:04:23,010 --> 02:04:26,250 this is applicable to a lot. Lots of things. This is meant to 1892 02:04:26,250 --> 02:04:28,530 be sort of a generic payment 1893 02:04:29,790 --> 02:04:36,060 receipt. So we can mentioned earlier that if you were going 1894 02:04:36,060 --> 02:04:40,950 to do certain things that really required you imagine something 1895 02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:43,470 like an open subscription, which is which is what we've been 1896 02:04:43,470 --> 02:04:47,310 working on. We talked about at the dev meeting the other day, a 1897 02:04:47,310 --> 02:04:49,410 way to do an open subscription mechanism. 1898 02:04:51,330 --> 02:04:56,220 Open Standards, such a way of saying okay, yes, I am a paying 1899 02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:59,100 subscriber to this podcast if you wanted to pay while your 1900 02:04:59,100 --> 02:04:59,730 podcast 1901 02:05:02,220 --> 02:05:05,580 Well, if you're going to claim that you are a that you are a 1902 02:05:05,580 --> 02:05:12,000 subscriber, you could, you would need some sort of payment 1903 02:05:12,660 --> 02:05:19,170 verification or a cryptographic receipt to show that you hear 1904 02:05:19,230 --> 02:05:22,080 this is there's my here's my receipt, I'm showing you that 1905 02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:25,590 I'm not a valid purchaser, right. It's the it's the missing 1906 02:05:25,590 --> 02:05:29,850 piece of the of keys and booster grams is, you know, it just 1907 02:05:29,850 --> 02:05:32,700 shows up, you don't really know who it's from, except for an 1908 02:05:32,700 --> 02:05:37,140 alias that used to this would be the kind of the doing the 1909 02:05:37,140 --> 02:05:39,240 invoice in reverse. Is that Is that fair? 1910 02:05:40,260 --> 02:05:43,140 Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Be aware. That's a good yeah, the 1911 02:05:43,140 --> 02:05:47,010 invoice in reverse. So you did the invoice, the invoice Creator 1912 02:05:47,010 --> 02:05:51,570 knows they got paid, but the payer cam can prove show, right? 1913 02:05:51,570 --> 02:05:55,230 I can't prove it. They can't prove it was them, right. And so 1914 02:05:55,230 --> 02:06:00,750 this is a this is a way to do that. And then you could say, 1915 02:06:00,780 --> 02:06:05,880 Okay, I've got I now have this cryptographic receipt. And I can 1916 02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:09,150 use that for fill in the blank, like what in your example would 1917 02:06:09,150 --> 02:06:15,030 be, I'm going to, I'm going to prove that I just paid you and 1918 02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:19,140 therefore now I get this badge or something. And I mean, 1919 02:06:20,820 --> 02:06:24,300 this is where my mind goes, immediately love this. 1920 02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:28,830 leaderboards. Who was of course, just forget, 1921 02:06:29,940 --> 02:06:33,450 for a moment, everyone has to have buy in it's you're allowed 1922 02:06:33,450 --> 02:06:36,900 to publish it. But I would love to know who the biggest 1923 02:06:36,900 --> 02:06:40,320 supporters are of an episode or podcast, and I'm listening to. 1924 02:06:40,590 --> 02:06:44,520 And quite honestly, I'd also then like to know what else that 1925 02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:48,270 person has supported. You want to talk about a rating system. 1926 02:06:48,690 --> 02:06:52,380 This is ratings. This is ratings with money. This is very smart. 1927 02:06:53,190 --> 02:06:55,470 Yeah, and you can you can imagine opting it you know, 1928 02:06:55,470 --> 02:06:57,930 like, as a listener, you're opting in as a here's, here's 1929 02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,710 all my, I'm just going to kind of shuffle all my receipts to 1930 02:07:01,710 --> 02:07:04,500 you so that you can see this, this leaderboard, and I can 1931 02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:09,180 prove, it's almost like, almost like Stack Overflow. You know, 1932 02:07:09,180 --> 02:07:12,660 where you like, up vote people that do certain things. You're 1933 02:07:12,660 --> 02:07:15,390 like, proving that you're the one that did all these things. 1934 02:07:15,450 --> 02:07:18,990 And and that can be for levels like no agenda, we have, you 1935 02:07:18,990 --> 02:07:22,800 know, nights and we have a whole period system. Also, it can be 1936 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:26,940 used to send something back, if you have some kind of premium 1937 02:07:26,940 --> 02:07:30,150 prize or some other thing going on in the show, you can then 1938 02:07:30,150 --> 02:07:34,740 send it back send something to the person. Yes, reached out to 1939 02:07:37,290 --> 02:07:38,970 to Jake Shapiro, 1940 02:07:40,350 --> 02:07:43,530 and send him an email over at Apple. He used to be a podcast 1941 02:07:43,530 --> 02:07:44,910 Republic. Now he's at Apple. 1942 02:07:47,460 --> 02:07:52,020 And just inquiring about an old spec that they had written while 1943 02:07:52,020 --> 02:07:56,550 he was there at podcast Republic about called pod paths. And 1944 02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:59,010 we've talked about it before. It's the open 1945 02:08:01,020 --> 02:08:06,270 Namsa social credit, just saw that. No, no, it doesn't. It 1946 02:08:06,270 --> 02:08:10,410 could be used for that, though. Yeah. That that's a different 1947 02:08:10,410 --> 02:08:12,900 discussion that we need to have. But that'd be but that's okay. 1948 02:08:12,900 --> 02:08:15,690 Because it's completely open. You know, the social credit 1949 02:08:15,690 --> 02:08:20,400 score is only creepy if it's controlled by one entity or the 1950 02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:24,330 government. Otherwise, it can be a community credit score. 1951 02:08:25,290 --> 02:08:27,930 Community Credit Score. Big difference. 1952 02:08:30,030 --> 02:08:32,640 Yeah, I want to talk about that next week because the blue sky 1953 02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:35,700 stuff they came out. I don't think I don't think we have time 1954 02:08:35,700 --> 02:08:38,340 to talk about it today. But no, you should listen. You should 1955 02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:41,610 listen to Dave whiners podcast about it this morning. No, did 1956 02:08:41,610 --> 02:08:46,350 he tweet? He did a 20 minute podcast, just for Jack Dorsey. 1957 02:08:47,730 --> 02:08:51,750 No spoilers spoiler spoiler, it's never gonna work. 1958 02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:58,980 Well, it may not. And you know, who knows? But so you can 1959 02:08:58,980 --> 02:08:59,820 imagine that 1960 02:09:01,590 --> 02:09:04,650 that you have this, you have this tote, you know, this 1961 02:09:04,650 --> 02:09:10,020 payment token. And then you can take you know, you can take that 1962 02:09:10,020 --> 02:09:13,290 and plug it into the the open subscription model 1963 02:09:14,580 --> 02:09:15,150 in 1964 02:09:16,710 --> 02:09:20,700 reached out to Jake to see if he's even if him or Apple or 1965 02:09:20,700 --> 02:09:26,670 anybody can just are interested in working on on an open spec on 1966 02:09:26,670 --> 02:09:31,170 this. And then you can take this, this this token and verify 1967 02:09:31,170 --> 02:09:34,890 that, um, I am I did purchase a subscription to this podcast. 1968 02:09:35,250 --> 02:09:40,200 And in the app, that app can I can hand that off to the 1969 02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:44,940 to the to the podcast host. And then you don't have to have a 1970 02:09:44,940 --> 02:09:47,640 separate fee like a private member's only fee and also if 1971 02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:52,140 you can have the standard feed and inside that feed it has. It 1972 02:09:52,140 --> 02:09:56,340 has specific subscription only episodes perhaps like bonus 1973 02:09:56,340 --> 02:09:59,970 episodes, all this stuff that people like to do. And then 1974 02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,000 You can, and those become unlocked as you pass the token 1975 02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:08,130 back. And what what exactly did you want to get from Jake? 1976 02:10:09,179 --> 02:10:13,619 Just just a signal as to whether he's willing to pick this back 1977 02:10:13,619 --> 02:10:17,609 back up that they wrote before he went to Apple and continue 1978 02:10:17,639 --> 02:10:20,519 helping with it outputs? I think we, yeah. 1979 02:10:22,380 --> 02:10:26,850 Nearly responsive. Not yet. Okay. Me, me No, but but I do. 1980 02:10:26,970 --> 02:10:29,400 See here's here's the thing, I think I think that if. 1981 02:10:30,570 --> 02:10:34,470 So, Spotify is is open access platform thing, which is 1982 02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:38,400 supposed to be an open spec. I mean, I understand, but really, 1983 02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:43,050 it's all about. Sure, it's an open standard. But it's an open 1984 02:10:43,050 --> 02:10:46,530 standard that's only focused on getting your purchase to content 1985 02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:47,520 into Spotify. 1986 02:10:50,160 --> 02:10:54,630 So, and it's this OAuth handshake stuff going on all in 1987 02:10:54,750 --> 02:10:59,700 it. If there wasn't an open spec, it was truly neutral. 1988 02:11:01,260 --> 02:11:06,060 And I've heard that the open access platform spec does not 1989 02:11:06,060 --> 02:11:10,290 work all that well. Anyway, if there was a truly neutral, open 1990 02:11:10,290 --> 02:11:15,420 specification for pilot for subscribable content is in this 1991 02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:19,260 simple and dependable and cryptographically secure. 1992 02:11:20,700 --> 02:11:24,960 I can see Apple doing that. I mean it because they're going to 1993 02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:29,790 make their 30%. Cut either way. And once there's an open spec, I 1994 02:11:29,790 --> 02:11:33,270 mean, like, at this point, Apple just wants to sell their 1995 02:11:33,270 --> 02:11:37,380 subscriptions. They will sell subscriptions. They don't really 1996 02:11:37,380 --> 02:11:39,900 care whether it's through their app. I know. That's where I 1997 02:11:39,900 --> 02:11:46,530 disagree. I disagree. Apple is about the whole experience, from 1998 02:11:46,860 --> 02:11:51,720 front to back. They want to control the entire experience. I 1999 02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:56,850 it's I love the concept. I love this ideological instead of Yes, 2000 02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:57,360 well, 2001 02:11:58,620 --> 02:12:01,560 that's just what they do. I mean, they want to control the 2002 02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:04,440 whole experience. It's like Twitter, Twitter wants to 2003 02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:07,470 control the whole experience. You can do stuff with their API, 2004 02:12:07,470 --> 02:12:11,460 but you can't control the experience they do. So if they 2005 02:12:11,490 --> 02:12:12,180 if they had, 2006 02:12:13,380 --> 02:12:15,090 I don't know why I'm focusing on that. But I guess just because 2007 02:12:15,090 --> 02:12:17,820 he wrote the spec, and I'm, I want to get his feedback on it. 2008 02:12:18,150 --> 02:12:24,390 But so if they had a way to extend their subscribable 2009 02:12:24,390 --> 02:12:27,600 content to let's just say, overcast, 2010 02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:29,970 you don't think they do it? No. 2011 02:12:31,620 --> 02:12:37,500 They won't. Look, I have 100,000 Running annual bet in Satoshis, 2012 02:12:37,500 --> 02:12:39,420 that they that they'll never create a 2013 02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,980 an android version either. I agree with that. I mean, don't 2014 02:12:45,150 --> 02:12:47,340 wait, what do you think they would do first and Android 2015 02:12:47,340 --> 02:12:50,880 version or, or open up subscriptions? So they work on 2016 02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:54,840 any podcast player? They need to they need to control the 2017 02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:58,200 experience for the user feedback? I mean, it's just 2018 02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:01,830 doesn't seem like that's Apple demand. They control it all. 2019 02:13:01,830 --> 02:13:05,100 They always have you still can't look at iOS. 2020 02:13:06,300 --> 02:13:08,790 You don't control the experience and iOS. 2021 02:13:10,140 --> 02:13:10,500 True? 2022 02:13:11,970 --> 02:13:16,110 Well, by every response, we'll have our answer. I mean, I 2023 02:13:16,110 --> 02:13:20,280 don't, I'm not not trying to, to pop the balloon because I love 2024 02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:23,670 the idea. I just, I love the idea of using it for us. I don't 2025 02:13:23,670 --> 02:13:27,270 care if Apple does it or not? Well, I guess that's, I guess 2026 02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:30,630 that's what I wanted to do is really reach out and say, Okay, 2027 02:13:30,630 --> 02:13:33,630 well, here's this spec that exist, and I don't want to go 2028 02:13:33,630 --> 02:13:36,630 create a brand new thing. If we don't have to, you know, can we 2029 02:13:36,630 --> 02:13:40,530 just use his spec and improve it? Well, that's, uh, yeah, I 2030 02:13:40,530 --> 02:13:43,260 want to improve it, I think what we would do is just take, take 2031 02:13:43,260 --> 02:13:46,920 the sort of ideas behind it, and then just adjust it to whatever 2032 02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:49,920 we wanted it to be. Okay. And, and it would be, it would be 2033 02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:52,290 great if we could have the original authors sort of on 2034 02:13:52,290 --> 02:13:54,870 board. But if we can't, then we'll just do our own thing. It 2035 02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:59,310 would be a huge win. If you and you are the guy. If anyone from 2036 02:13:59,310 --> 02:14:01,770 Apple is going to reach out and say, Hey, let's look at this. 2037 02:14:01,800 --> 02:14:05,250 You're the guy. You're the guy to convince him. I'm the guy you 2038 02:14:05,250 --> 02:14:09,750 want to get the sage baby to pod sage. The pope of polars 2039 02:14:11,790 --> 02:14:14,610 I just wish they would do pod ping first instead of anything 2040 02:14:14,610 --> 02:14:19,350 else but that's not Jake's area. I'm sure not 100% night. I'll 2041 02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:22,590 totally agree. Yeah, that's another thing that we need to be 2042 02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:23,730 at. 2043 02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:28,380 At Podcast Movement We need to start making noise about that 2044 02:14:28,380 --> 02:14:30,480 about how Apple's killing the earth. 2045 02:14:32,130 --> 02:14:35,760 That's the way to make friends. Yeah. Hey, good. Hey, you know 2046 02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:39,660 what? Good strategy they they tout their greenness all the 2047 02:14:39,660 --> 02:14:43,470 time, how all their their rare earth minerals are recycled 2048 02:14:43,470 --> 02:14:46,110 aluminum. They're doing stuff all the time, but meanwhile, 2049 02:14:46,200 --> 02:14:49,350 they might as well just be spewing diesel smoke into the 2050 02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:54,420 air 24/7 on their polling initiatives. Did you know that 2051 02:14:54,420 --> 02:14:58,950 pod ping is built 80% from recycled ocean plastic 2052 02:15:00,690 --> 02:15:01,950 Yes, I did actually. 2053 02:15:04,890 --> 02:15:07,890 They'd only kills two polar bear cubs a month. You know, we have 2054 02:15:07,890 --> 02:15:13,410 this, we have this great account on the bot that podcast index 2055 02:15:13,410 --> 02:15:16,350 dot social. Let me just bring it up here. I want to get it right. 2056 02:15:18,330 --> 02:15:20,640 The bot is the pod ping bot. 2057 02:15:21,690 --> 02:15:24,600 I love that thing. And so it gives you that here it is. So 2058 02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:29,130 it's the pod ping stats bot. And it gives you the stats. So it 2059 02:15:29,130 --> 02:15:33,060 says, here's the custom JSON Post report for the last day, 2060 02:15:33,600 --> 02:15:37,890 post count 3946 2.7 posts per minute, which I've seen much 2061 02:15:37,890 --> 02:15:42,270 higher. I've seen a double that almost total URLs 16,015 of 2062 02:15:42,270 --> 02:15:46,260 which 8081 are unique. I mean, all I want here is one 2063 02:15:46,260 --> 02:15:51,720 additional line that says two babies the two polar bear cubs 2064 02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:52,680 were saved. 2065 02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:59,100 Or created. saved or created by pod ping. Yeah, you can totally 2066 02:15:59,130 --> 02:16:02,340 I mean, just say a how many or how much? How much energy to 2067 02:16:02,340 --> 02:16:06,480 kill a baby polar bear cub? Yeah, we just need it. We need 2068 02:16:06,510 --> 02:16:11,340 we need a graphic with a baby polar bear floating on on a 2069 02:16:11,340 --> 02:16:15,930 piece of ice on a piece of server. In the Arctic? Yes. By 2070 02:16:15,930 --> 02:16:19,290 the way that that whole thing is shiny dot pod ping dash 2071 02:16:19,290 --> 02:16:24,840 stats.com is phenomenal. Yeah, I love that thing. I mean that 2072 02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:27,300 that's I'm gonna actually want to put that link in the show 2073 02:16:27,300 --> 02:16:33,030 notes. That is such an exciting thing to look at. I don't this, 2074 02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:40,020 you know, it is amazing how difficult it is to get hosting 2075 02:16:40,020 --> 02:16:45,060 companies to send a GET request one GET request. That's all it 2076 02:16:45,060 --> 02:16:48,300 takes. Yeah. Now Now I did. I did reach out to 2077 02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:52,050 to pod bean because we were having some trouble with the new 2078 02:16:52,050 --> 02:16:56,910 polar. It was getting for 29. So that means that's that's a 2079 02:16:56,910 --> 02:17:00,360 status code. That means too many requests. So we were being sort 2080 02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:04,440 of throttle throttle. They were throttling us. Okay. I don't 2081 02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:06,540 know how long that had been going on. But it may have been 2082 02:17:06,540 --> 02:17:07,170 for a while. 2083 02:17:08,820 --> 02:17:11,610 So we reached out did Franco hooked me up with I 2084 02:17:12,780 --> 02:17:17,520 think it's Sergio. I think it's Sergio over at pod bean. And 2085 02:17:17,520 --> 02:17:22,710 they were very responsive. Quickly whitelisted our IPs for 2086 02:17:22,710 --> 02:17:23,580 our aggregators 2087 02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:29,340 and had that fixed quick. So I'm really appreciative to them and 2088 02:17:30,780 --> 02:17:34,710 out till I gave them you know, give them the info on piping and 2089 02:17:34,710 --> 02:17:36,180 everything. He's like, Yeah, we'll try it. You know, we'll 2090 02:17:36,180 --> 02:17:38,670 check it out. And I think he was I think he was sincere. I think 2091 02:17:38,670 --> 02:17:41,970 he really they were I think they actually will check it out. From 2092 02:17:41,970 --> 02:17:44,880 the way he was talking. It is it is so low. 2093 02:17:46,020 --> 02:17:49,800 It is so LIC private.transistor.fm is also 2094 02:17:50,310 --> 02:17:51,120 pod pinging. 2095 02:17:52,170 --> 02:17:57,570 Yeah, we we do not ingest those ingest those Yeah, because they 2096 02:17:57,570 --> 02:18:01,290 have block tags. Got it. Got it. And the blood tag, you know, 2097 02:18:01,350 --> 02:18:04,770 we're we're working on it. It's, um, hopefully hopefully it'll be 2098 02:18:04,770 --> 02:18:08,790 done for this year for Phase Five. So Buzzsprout is number 2099 02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:12,720 one. transistor.fm number two today closely followed by 2100 02:18:12,720 --> 02:18:16,110 rss.com then Captivate pod surf. 2101 02:18:17,430 --> 02:18:21,510 And then any show notes.com I'm on the leaderboard. 2102 02:18:23,130 --> 02:18:27,450 caproni.fm also does does pod ping. That's another host. 2103 02:18:28,590 --> 02:18:34,110 Just cast. They also do do pod ping. I mean, there's quite a 2104 02:18:34,110 --> 02:18:38,970 few now we're almost at 6 million pod pink served. Datsun 2105 02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:42,870 5,961,155 2106 02:18:44,130 --> 02:18:45,030 This is beautiful. 2107 02:18:48,060 --> 02:18:50,550 What else you got? I got to head to work here in a few minutes. 2108 02:18:50,550 --> 02:18:54,510 So what you got Saturday work Dave Jones. What is this? Yes. 2109 02:18:54,540 --> 02:18:58,590 Oh, this is no good. This will not stand is the district 2110 02:18:58,590 --> 02:19:02,370 government the freakin IRS? Oh, man. They don't hear about 2111 02:19:02,370 --> 02:19:05,940 podcasting. They do not. I think that's it. I don't have any. Let 2112 02:19:05,940 --> 02:19:07,830 me see anything else on my list? 2113 02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:12,120 Man, we did a lot and there's still so much more to talk 2114 02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:15,840 about. suggestion for your next vacation, just go out in the 2115 02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:20,730 backyard and fire up the grill. You know, you are so right. We 2116 02:19:20,730 --> 02:19:25,500 both were like Oh, my God, being at home is so much nicer than 2117 02:19:25,530 --> 02:19:28,110 than where then where are we? I was the longest week ever. It's 2118 02:19:28,110 --> 02:19:34,170 okay. We'll, we'll The problem is I've lost confidence in the 2119 02:19:34,260 --> 02:19:38,010 in the aviation travel system. You know, that's what I was 2120 02:19:38,250 --> 02:19:41,760 mentioned to you today. I mean, like, I'm not blaming them for 2121 02:19:41,790 --> 02:19:46,140 for all of this. I mean, obviously there be the the 2122 02:19:46,140 --> 02:19:50,250 airline industry has some has made missteps clearly but I 2123 02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:53,130 mean, with all the lock downs, I mean, not not everything is 2124 02:19:53,130 --> 02:19:55,200 their fault. But I mean, 2125 02:19:56,220 --> 02:19:59,460 at the end of it all, if they don't fix this 2126 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,260 It can really seriously damage the airline industry. Because if 2127 02:20:04,260 --> 02:20:08,010 people don't think that they're if people have no confidence 2128 02:20:08,010 --> 02:20:11,520 that their flights are actually going to succeed in you add on 2129 02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:16,200 to that the the absorbent cost of flying today. I mean, people 2130 02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:20,550 just start to they'll just opt out. I mean, they they were 2131 02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:25,860 going to Chicago in May, at the end of May. Me and my wife and 2132 02:20:25,860 --> 02:20:30,090 my daughter, were going up there like end of May to see a 2133 02:20:30,090 --> 02:20:32,700 Shakespeare play and do some other things for the weekend. 2134 02:20:33,180 --> 02:20:37,110 And I looked at the, at the flight even for three people. It 2135 02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:41,250 was like nearly two grand for a roundtrip flight. And we're 2136 02:20:41,250 --> 02:20:45,030 like, we're like now we're just draft. Okay, so just briefly on 2137 02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:48,270 this because I do know a lot about what's going on. First of 2138 02:20:48,270 --> 02:20:51,030 all, in the United States, and most countries, the aviation 2139 02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:52,860 industry is pretty much government. 2140 02:20:54,030 --> 02:20:55,620 subsidized, so. 2141 02:20:56,670 --> 02:21:00,780 And they got a lot a lot of bailout money during the lock 2142 02:21:00,780 --> 02:21:03,510 downs here in the United States. And so did the aircraft 2143 02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:07,260 manufacturers, just hundreds of billions of dollars went into 2144 02:21:07,260 --> 02:21:12,780 them. The problem is four years since I've been tracking it 2008 2145 02:21:13,170 --> 02:21:17,280 The aviation the government, part of the aviation industry 2146 02:21:17,430 --> 02:21:21,690 has wanted to push through something called Next Gen. And 2147 02:21:21,690 --> 02:21:26,730 next gen is basically self flying planes. No pilots, 2148 02:21:26,730 --> 02:21:28,770 because you know, pilots are idiots. They're no good. You 2149 02:21:28,770 --> 02:21:32,460 don't need pilots. Pilots have been disrespected in the 2150 02:21:32,460 --> 02:21:36,270 industry for decades. You're starting pilot, you've you've 2151 02:21:36,270 --> 02:21:41,700 put 100 grand into your, your transportation license, airline 2152 02:21:41,700 --> 02:21:45,960 transportation license, you have this debt, you're gonna go work 2153 02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:49,380 start off at a regional airline, you're gonna make about 25 to 2154 02:21:49,380 --> 02:21:53,400 $30,000 a year. I'm not kidding. And then you can work your way 2155 02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:56,640 up from there into below the poverty line. Yes, sir. Oh, 2156 02:21:56,640 --> 02:22:00,450 yeah. And you're gonna sleep in shitty hotel rooms with or the 2157 02:22:00,450 --> 02:22:04,140 kind of like, apartments that you may rent with five or six 2158 02:22:04,140 --> 02:22:07,740 different air crew and there'll be five or six people sleeping 2159 02:22:07,740 --> 02:22:11,010 there overnight. It's a very, very tough existence. You have 2160 02:22:11,010 --> 02:22:14,340 to love flying. So they are disrespected. 2161 02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:18,960 You know, there's always been disputes about pay, they have 2162 02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:23,130 pretty strong pilots union. And then when the lockdowns came, 2163 02:22:23,790 --> 02:22:27,420 and the mandates vaccination mandates, which is very personal 2164 02:22:27,420 --> 02:22:30,540 to pilots, you know, and there's a lot of issues with what people 2165 02:22:30,540 --> 02:22:33,030 will put in their bodies when they have to self declare they 2166 02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:37,890 feel good or not. And so many pilots retired a lot and just 2167 02:22:37,890 --> 02:22:40,500 said, Fuck it, I'm not going to do it anymore. We will need 2168 02:22:40,500 --> 02:22:44,460 60,000 pilots in the United States over the next two years. 2169 02:22:44,520 --> 02:22:49,830 They're not there. They're not being trained. Neal now airlines 2170 02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:52,890 are starting to come up with some incentives. So it's broken. 2171 02:22:53,220 --> 02:22:56,130 And I don't think it's coming back. And what's worse is the US 2172 02:22:56,130 --> 02:23:00,570 government is doing that same old thing. This a lot. You know 2173 02:23:00,570 --> 02:23:03,180 what we're going to do high speed rail. They've always 2174 02:23:03,180 --> 02:23:05,760 wanted to get rid of aviation. Yep, they're gonna do it again. 2175 02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:08,970 They're gonna do high speed rail. The President Biden is 2176 02:23:08,970 --> 02:23:12,210 talking about it again, just imagine coast to coast and the 2177 02:23:12,210 --> 02:23:15,450 same amount of time it takes to fly to their fencing in this 2178 02:23:15,450 --> 02:23:20,700 thing for since Obama since Obama was Obama pushed it really 2179 02:23:20,700 --> 02:23:22,740 hard. Remember that you don't have to take off your shoes when 2180 02:23:22,740 --> 02:23:27,270 taking the train. Yeah, and none of it, it all vapor. I mean, I'm 2181 02:23:27,270 --> 02:23:31,650 sure a lot of people got money for, you know, analysis and 2182 02:23:31,740 --> 02:23:34,950 spec, you know, specking it out and doing evaluations of the 2183 02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:37,290 land and everything. And then nothing ever happened know that 2184 02:23:37,290 --> 02:23:41,340 they were going to do Los Angeles to San Francisco, high 2185 02:23:41,340 --> 02:23:42,060 speed rail. 2186 02:23:43,350 --> 02:23:46,260 It was going to cost there's going to cost like, I think $8 2187 02:23:46,260 --> 02:23:46,590 billion. 2188 02:23:47,730 --> 02:23:50,190 They finally made it to Bakersfield. And it's cost 2189 02:23:50,220 --> 02:23:52,710 80 $80 billion dollars. 2190 02:23:53,880 --> 02:23:59,700 I'm shocked. Oh, yeah. And this is stunning. Yeah, of course. So 2191 02:23:59,730 --> 02:24:04,050 just like everything else, I believe aviation will change. I 2192 02:24:04,050 --> 02:24:08,100 can already see it happening. We will see new types of aircraft 2193 02:24:08,100 --> 02:24:10,320 which are incredibly efficient to fly 2194 02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:15,870 and will be able to fly you know, 668 passengers. 2195 02:24:17,070 --> 02:24:21,120 These will be dedicated routes, where you'll pay pretty much 2196 02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:24,900 what you pay for a full fare ticket. You're not a discounted 2197 02:24:24,900 --> 02:24:28,740 ticket. And then these you know, there will be places you can go 2198 02:24:28,740 --> 02:24:32,760 and it will be a decentralized system. Maybe people will start 2199 02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:36,870 to connect you know, we have a very mature private jet 2200 02:24:37,230 --> 02:24:41,220 infrastructure in United States that's unaffordable for it's 2201 02:24:41,220 --> 02:24:44,190 just unaffordable. But we will get this for smaller aircraft, 2202 02:24:44,310 --> 02:24:47,430 and we and it will work and people will start using it but 2203 02:24:47,430 --> 02:24:49,740 the big airlines, I think that's broken 2204 02:24:50,970 --> 02:24:55,290 and I will never fly again. Well, here's one thing. So my 2205 02:24:55,290 --> 02:24:59,670 dad's internment is, is this weekend in Armonk, New York. 2206 02:25:00,359 --> 02:25:03,599 And we're flying on Friday. But I think I want to do the same 2207 02:25:03,599 --> 02:25:06,899 thing I want to do our show Thursday night after no agenda 2208 02:25:06,899 --> 02:25:10,829 so we can stay overnight at the airport because I it's going to 2209 02:25:10,829 --> 02:25:15,539 be a frickin Friday to fly to New York is going to be a 2210 02:25:15,539 --> 02:25:16,619 disaster. 2211 02:25:19,410 --> 02:25:23,790 Yeah, I mean, that's, that's that's where it gets hard 2212 02:25:23,790 --> 02:25:27,540 because then you got some things that you just you, you there's 2213 02:25:27,540 --> 02:25:29,790 really no alternative. I mean, you What are you going to drive 2214 02:25:29,790 --> 02:25:33,690 26 hours to get? No, no. I mean, it's just not possible. No, I 2215 02:25:33,690 --> 02:25:41,880 mean, I if if you have six people, it becomes reasonable to 2216 02:25:41,910 --> 02:25:44,760 rent on a Thursday night or do you want to do it Saturday 2217 02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:47,490 morning like we're doing now? No, no, no, because this is no 2218 02:25:47,490 --> 02:25:49,230 Saturday is the actual internment. 2219 02:25:50,460 --> 02:25:54,270 Oh, you're gonna be gone? Yeah, no. So the deal is we fly 2220 02:25:54,270 --> 02:25:59,760 Friday. Christina, my daughter is coming in from from Holland. 2221 02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:03,690 So we're supposed to meet at the airport in JFK. Hopefully that 2222 02:26:03,690 --> 02:26:07,920 all works. You haven't seen her in like three years? No, no, no, 2223 02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:10,980 I was there for her birthday last year. But I can't go back. 2224 02:26:11,730 --> 02:26:13,320 I can't get into the country anymore. 2225 02:26:14,730 --> 02:26:18,600 Because of vaccination requirements. So she's coming 2226 02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:22,710 and then we're going to go into the city we're going to see my 2227 02:26:22,710 --> 02:26:25,680 stepdaughter and then we're going to fly back to Texas 2228 02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:29,340 Christina is coming back to us and and then she'll stay for a 2229 02:26:29,340 --> 02:26:32,340 few days and then she goes back so it's gonna be great but and 2230 02:26:32,340 --> 02:26:37,230 I'm going to be doing no agenda from from the road on that 2231 02:26:37,230 --> 02:26:39,780 Sunday. But Saturday is the actual 2232 02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:43,740 blowing dust around stuff. Yeah. 2233 02:26:45,930 --> 02:26:53,430 Well, I got in by the way, I'm on one on one gig fibre now. So 2234 02:26:53,430 --> 02:26:56,970 No kidding. Yeah, man are stable. We're 2235 02:26:58,230 --> 02:27:01,590 on the wire. Yeah. Well, I'm still basically dial up here in 2236 02:27:01,590 --> 02:27:05,100 the hill country, but you're here. You're you're saying that 2237 02:27:05,100 --> 02:27:07,560 you were doing no agenda from the road? I was like, Oh, crap 2238 02:27:07,560 --> 02:27:09,990 hotel Wi Fi and yeah. Oh, yeah. It's always fun. 2239 02:27:11,370 --> 02:27:15,030 Okay, well, Thursday night. Yeah. Hey, man. This was long 2240 02:27:15,030 --> 02:27:18,150 but good update. I think we kind of caught up on stuff. Yeah. 2241 02:27:18,660 --> 02:27:22,410 Back and yes, you know, worse for the wear. Alright, man, I 2242 02:27:22,410 --> 02:27:24,480 know you're working today. So have a good one. That kind of 2243 02:27:25,980 --> 02:27:29,010 everybody. That's it for a board meeting podcasting. 2.0 Join us 2244 02:27:29,010 --> 02:27:32,580 again next Friday. We'll have it up for you on time. Have a great 2245 02:27:32,580 --> 02:27:34,020 weekend. Talk to you soon. 2246 02:27:49,950 --> 02:27:54,510 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 2247 02:27:54,510 --> 02:27:57,060 index.org for more information. 2248 02:27:59,730 --> 02:28:00,690 Experience