Episode 80: Wheels Up

1 00:00:00,599 --> 00:00:07,019 podcasting 2.0 For April 1 2020 to Episode 79 We got wheels up 2 00:00:09,779 --> 00:00:11,819 throw in some aviation terminology and make it 3 00:00:11,819 --> 00:00:14,759 interesting. Hello everybody, welcome to the official board 4 00:00:14,759 --> 00:00:17,849 meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything happening at podcast 5 00:00:17,849 --> 00:00:21,869 index.org the podcast namespace and of course everything that 6 00:00:21,869 --> 00:00:26,189 goes on all the creative goo and juices podcasts index dot 7 00:00:26,189 --> 00:00:29,249 social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill 8 00:00:29,249 --> 00:00:32,639 Country and an Alabama if you want to talk regex he's your man 9 00:00:32,639 --> 00:00:36,239 my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave 10 00:00:36,269 --> 00:00:37,739 Jones, 11 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:42,240 or glass glass is also something I can talk about the glass. 12 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:46,500 Did I miss his glass yet another database search organization 13 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:47,040 function? 14 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:53,069 No, it's the thing. It's like something. Yes, it is that yes. 15 00:00:53,129 --> 00:00:56,939 Yeah. But it's also the thing that attracts children for miles 16 00:00:56,939 --> 00:01:01,109 around a broken glass. Whenever you drop something on the ground 17 00:01:01,139 --> 00:01:04,589 and are on the floor, and it shatters into a million tiny 18 00:01:04,589 --> 00:01:10,139 little feet slicing fragments Yeah, it just somehow attracts 19 00:01:10,139 --> 00:01:14,339 children they love it they run and want to look at it. And 20 00:01:14,369 --> 00:01:16,859 that's the you know the thing as a as a parent you don't want to 21 00:01:16,859 --> 00:01:20,759 happen is immediately what happens it's like it's like 22 00:01:20,759 --> 00:01:23,399 zombies and brains you know brains out there the zombies 23 00:01:23,399 --> 00:01:25,049 just flocked to it you know it's a 24 00:01:25,050 --> 00:01:27,570 metaphor for something I'm missing is there so 25 00:01:27,690 --> 00:01:29,610 what happened is I left the house today. 26 00:01:30,180 --> 00:01:32,370 Oh my goodness. Oh, what happened? 27 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:36,720 On my way out I walked through the living room I started the 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,590 cat get startled. The cat bales off the off the dining room 29 00:01:40,590 --> 00:01:45,870 table knocks the this candle off with this with the glass base 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,730 shatters all over the ground will then my 11 year old job you 31 00:01:50,730 --> 00:01:53,250 know jumps up runs around the table and Amelie wants to see 32 00:01:53,250 --> 00:01:53,370 it. 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,050 Yay cool glass. 34 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,910 what always happens every parent knows this you just want to you 35 00:01:59,910 --> 00:02:01,980 want your kids to come in your little kids come in a room 36 00:02:02,010 --> 00:02:02,280 though. 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,030 glass on the floor. Yeah. Ah so this is a an extraordinary board 38 00:02:09,030 --> 00:02:12,570 meeting. As by the time this is heard I'll probably be on an 39 00:02:12,570 --> 00:02:18,120 airplane somewhere you will be back into tax season and I 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,580 really appreciate you taking the time because I know it's been 41 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:23,160 must be crazy for you right now. What do 42 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:26,069 you mean me taking the time you gotta you're you're doing this 43 00:02:26,069 --> 00:02:28,589 at eight o'clock at night and you got to get up at three 44 00:02:28,589 --> 00:02:29,309 o'clock in the morning. 45 00:02:30,090 --> 00:02:33,720 Yeah, but this is my job. You have a you have an actual job 46 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,250 that requires a lot from you. 47 00:02:35,849 --> 00:02:40,199 Well, last night, tornadoes in Alabama always wondering why 48 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,290 not? Yes or why not? Yeah. As normal fare. 49 00:02:43,949 --> 00:02:46,919 Every time every tax season. We also has tornado season. So 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,129 that's great. And to two o'clock in the morning this morning. I 51 00:02:50,129 --> 00:02:54,569 was up at the office filling up the generator with diesel fuel. 52 00:02:54,869 --> 00:02:55,649 No way. 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,520 Oh, did you have a power outage? Out? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. 54 00:02:59,970 --> 00:03:04,890 Yeah. Outlaw Like, it wasn't. There was tornadoes here. But a 55 00:03:04,890 --> 00:03:07,440 lot of the damage and stuff happened from the straight line. 56 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,770 Like those gradient winds. They call them come through and it's 57 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:13,260 just like, you know, you can get like 70 mile an hour wind gusts 58 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:14,040 Just out of nowhere. 59 00:03:15,419 --> 00:03:16,859 Yeah, but no, no, Damn, it's 60 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:17,430 fun weather, 61 00:03:17,460 --> 00:03:18,570 no damage further. 62 00:03:19,619 --> 00:03:22,739 I think there was damage all over the state, but nothing more 63 00:03:22,739 --> 00:03:24,299 than close to where I am. 64 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:28,590 Right. But then you also have a busy workday because of tax 65 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:31,110 season because you got nothing but accountants and other 66 00:03:31,590 --> 00:03:34,770 accounting tax professionals running around saying I can't 67 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:36,150 figure out my password. 68 00:03:36,509 --> 00:03:39,839 Yeah, little bit of that. Yeah. Password, a little bit of print. 69 00:03:40,079 --> 00:03:41,759 A little bit of print problems. Oh, yeah. 70 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,690 print spooler. 71 00:03:43,470 --> 00:03:44,910 Server juice. Yeah. 72 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:50,070 Remember that is able to print spooler? Do we still have that 73 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:51,480 print? spooler? Oh, yeah. 74 00:03:53,069 --> 00:03:58,829 Principle is great. Because like, I think it was in October 75 00:03:58,829 --> 00:04:02,939 or September of October last year, there was a critical 76 00:04:02,939 --> 00:04:07,109 vulnerability in the print found in the way that Windows delivers 77 00:04:07,709 --> 00:04:11,099 drivers. So in the Windows world, there's a thing called 78 00:04:11,309 --> 00:04:16,169 point in print has been there for literally since maybe NT, 79 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:21,659 Windows NT 3.5. Point and print. Yes, called point in print. So 80 00:04:21,659 --> 00:04:25,529 the idea was that you would share a printer out from from a 81 00:04:25,529 --> 00:04:28,109 computer so you set up a printer on a computer then share the 82 00:04:28,109 --> 00:04:33,479 printer to the network. And then you could tell the printer the 83 00:04:33,479 --> 00:04:35,819 print the machine that controlled that printer, which 84 00:04:35,819 --> 00:04:40,199 is now effectively the print server. You could tell them you 85 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:46,019 could specify on that machine, a print driver so that what other 86 00:04:46,019 --> 00:04:48,899 machines on the network what they would do is they would go 87 00:04:49,739 --> 00:04:55,559 open up your print your computer in a member network 88 00:04:55,559 --> 00:04:56,969 neighborhood. And yeah, 89 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,260 network neighborhood. Does that silly This network neighborhood, 90 00:05:01,290 --> 00:05:03,570 well, they've read, they've changed it, but it's effectively 91 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:07,680 the same thing. It's underneath. They just changed. So, like, you 92 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,710 would go to Network neighborhood, open and double 93 00:05:10,710 --> 00:05:13,890 click on the machine that you wanted, that had the printer on 94 00:05:13,890 --> 00:05:17,730 it, see the printer there and double click it, and it would 95 00:05:17,730 --> 00:05:21,210 set it up on your machine and installed the driver for Yeah. 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,830 Yeah, that's called point in print. Well, you know, 25 years 97 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:28,110 later, there's a critical vulnerability that's been in 98 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:32,040 there for 25 years. And 99 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:35,400 ransomware unpacks and just takes over your network. 100 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,610 Yeah, totally. Yes. So Microsoft, quote, unquote, fixed 101 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:42,630 it. And by fixing it, that means they broke all printing like 102 00:05:42,630 --> 00:05:47,040 they've just right. So they've spent the last literally the 103 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,360 last like six or seven months, releasing patches to try to fix 104 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,360 the original thing. They broke in a they break it even worse 105 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,020 every time. 106 00:05:55,380 --> 00:06:01,410 So this, this really is such a such a testimonial for open 107 00:06:01,410 --> 00:06:06,330 source and Linux. I mean, I'm blown away by now. I'm a Linux 108 00:06:06,330 --> 00:06:09,660 Mint guy, but and I've tried Linux throughout my entire 109 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:13,200 computing, career, I guess, and professional career and it 110 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,080 really stuck a couple of years ago, and I've just been Linux 111 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,890 Mint. And it's really astounding how well everything just works. 112 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:21,150 Just works. 113 00:06:22,349 --> 00:06:26,249 I've, I've been on and off of the Linux like as my main 114 00:06:26,249 --> 00:06:31,769 desktop train over the years. I've went in both feet, and then 115 00:06:31,769 --> 00:06:34,949 get back out and then went back in and I keep bouncing in and 116 00:06:34,949 --> 00:06:35,519 out. So 117 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,300 are you between Mac, Mac and Linux or Windows and Linux? 118 00:06:40,260 --> 00:06:45,540 Well, I'm after use them all. Yeah, but my main desktop at 119 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:49,440 home is Mac my desktop at the office is Windows, but I'm about 120 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,280 to switch that. I've literally got a new motherboard and I've 121 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:57,330 gotten new parts. Building a PC foo, and I'm going back Linux 122 00:06:57,330 --> 00:06:57,780 baby do 123 00:06:57,780 --> 00:07:02,190 you have do you have a new you gotta have a power supply. Power 124 00:07:02,190 --> 00:07:02,790 supply. 125 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:05,610 I've got a decent power supply from my old machine. It still 126 00:07:05,610 --> 00:07:10,140 works. But I've got a Z 690 motherboard with a meno Gen 127 00:07:10,140 --> 00:07:13,620 twill Khorana. And I've got the whole you got a graphics 128 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:17,970 processor. Yeah, well, luckily enough. I had an old radio on 129 00:07:17,970 --> 00:07:21,210 because you can't evidently you can't find graphics cards 130 00:07:21,210 --> 00:07:21,690 anymore. 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,450 Oh, yeah. No, every everything's being used for mining. 132 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:29,400 Yeah, yeah. I lucked out and kept one from from an old 133 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,250 machine. But of course back to Linux, I'm going to move forward 134 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:32,910 to Ubuntu. 135 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,240 When it really comes to just, you know, stomping bugs and 136 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,210 getting stable releases out that are actually stable just works 137 00:07:39,210 --> 00:07:42,750 so much better in the open source environment. It seems to 138 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:46,680 work better. And and if there's a problem, you can kind of go to 139 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,740 somewhere and say, Hey, man, I got a problem. And someone will 140 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:53,100 usually say this was already an issue five through two through 141 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:58,620 765. Go away. Then once you figure out how to find the 142 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:03,000 issue, stop thread hijacking. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, well, okay. 143 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,670 So it happens. You learn you learn pretty quick what to want 144 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:08,400 someone to point you to what you should be doing. 145 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:11,280 I never sent you my clips. No, you 146 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,930 did not know. I got. I did clips. I'd love some clips. 147 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,450 Absolutely. I mean, we have some stuff to discuss. 148 00:08:21,089 --> 00:08:24,059 I'm dragging some clips over into signal right now. 149 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:27,270 It was really interesting, because the thing that that just 150 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:29,490 doesn't actually it was interesting, because the thing 151 00:08:29,490 --> 00:08:33,450 that doesn't interest me at all seem to be the topic of the day, 152 00:08:33,630 --> 00:08:39,270 or maybe of the week. Okay. And this is YouTube is gonna be 153 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:49,650 podcasting. Yeah. And I really haven't heard anyone say things 154 00:08:49,650 --> 00:08:55,290 like, you know, you don't necessarily want your audience 155 00:08:55,290 --> 00:09:00,330 to be built on YouTube. You know, it's like, you may not get 156 00:09:00,330 --> 00:09:01,050 it back. 157 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:07,050 I've got I mean, I don't do you want to you want to give your 158 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:09,420 you got thoughts about YouTube? We got you got thoughts 159 00:09:09,420 --> 00:09:13,710 here. I think you probably are better prepared than I am. So 160 00:09:13,710 --> 00:09:14,910 I'll add color. 161 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,690 You run the Telestrator 162 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:24,720 Wait a minute, I want to do color illustrator. I got to talk 163 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,970 to him not just the draw monkey come on manager 164 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,220 draw monkey draw. Yeah. The 165 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:36,630 what in the world is I don't know it's a urine. 166 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:39,300 Do you hear that coming through the gate? Yeah, no, I 167 00:09:39,300 --> 00:09:41,790 hear something for sure. What's going on? I mean, you're at the 168 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:43,980 office right this is this is we should have mentioned this. 169 00:09:45,090 --> 00:09:48,900 Now I don't know what that is. It's some sort of horrible noise 170 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:53,580 Anthony. No, but what surely it'll maybe it's the cleaning 171 00:09:53,580 --> 00:09:57,870 curse and don't worry about it. It's fine. Yeah, the know my 172 00:09:57,870 --> 00:10:03,570 thoughts were Number one, I was depressed. Really? I mean, yeah. 173 00:10:04,650 --> 00:10:09,240 Because you had. I don't know if you saw the Podcast Movement 174 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:15,030 stuff, all of the podcast, people just crammed into that 175 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:18,930 into that YouTube session to try to listen to like, get the 176 00:10:18,930 --> 00:10:21,030 crumbs that fell off of YouTube's tail. 177 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:23,160 Yeah, everybody's all jacked up. 178 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:25,290 Yeah, that's depressing. 179 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,690 Oh, no, I that. Okay, no, well, I'll withhold my my comments. I 180 00:10:30,690 --> 00:10:34,350 want to hear all I want your whole your full experience. 181 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:35,070 Well, 182 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:44,550 this goes back to Munchausen by 1000 proxies. Which is the, to 183 00:10:44,550 --> 00:10:50,700 me the most apt way to describe the podcast industry. There is 184 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:54,810 no perhaps no industry that wants to give its autonomy away 185 00:10:54,810 --> 00:11:00,240 more than the podcast industry. It's just it's like it's 186 00:11:00,870 --> 00:11:07,860 constantly lusting for the next humungous corporation to come in 187 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:12,510 and take it over and ruin and ruin everything it wants. It 188 00:11:12,510 --> 00:11:17,340 wants it so bad. And it's so irritating to see it. Because 189 00:11:17,370 --> 00:11:22,860 it's like, I think maybe it it's like this perpetual underdog 190 00:11:22,860 --> 00:11:30,570 syndrome. Maybe since podcasting started in an age of big media. 191 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:34,860 Yeah, yeah. It's always tried to be like, we want to be respected 192 00:11:34,860 --> 00:11:38,430 to you know, we want we want our, you know, we want to be we 193 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:41,070 want to be one of the big boys and Oscars. So they're just 194 00:11:41,070 --> 00:11:49,140 always trying to psychologically sad that that open sore or 195 00:11:49,140 --> 00:11:49,620 something? 196 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,420 Well, the podcast, press the media does an incredible 197 00:11:54,420 --> 00:12:00,810 disservice. What, but most people most podcasters have not 198 00:12:00,810 --> 00:12:03,900 yet realized is where the where the value really is in 199 00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:10,950 podcasting. And it is most of the most of the the newsletters 200 00:12:10,950 --> 00:12:15,900 and the podcast publications. You know, they love you know, 201 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:19,470 they have their own reasons why they like scoops and big news 202 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:23,880 and, and they're still all about circulation, you know, it was 203 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,200 like, grow your podcast, be bigger, have more be available 204 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,250 in more places. We haven't seen any Terms of Service yet for 205 00:12:32,250 --> 00:12:37,260 YouTube, that'll be interesting to see. And it's like you need 206 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:40,980 the most people you can get, you need more people more as many as 207 00:12:40,980 --> 00:12:43,920 you can get. But that's not where the value is. Because you 208 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,820 wind up with some numbers and you're going to be struggling, 209 00:12:47,820 --> 00:12:49,680 you're going to get some advertising, you'll have 210 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,950 restrictions. And if you're doing it on YouTube, or on 211 00:12:52,950 --> 00:12:57,300 Spotify, you don't really own an owner's is shitty word. But you 212 00:12:57,300 --> 00:13:00,480 really, you can't build a community. And that's how 213 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,940 podcasting has just worked out best. When it's not about trying 214 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:10,200 to get the most and be the biggest. And these numbers have 215 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,830 become I've met this number broken record on this. It took 216 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:17,370 me a while to figure it out. But after 15 years, I can tell you 217 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:21,300 the value is not in, in trying to be the biggest and have the 218 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:24,840 most. It's about building the relationship with your audience. 219 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,600 And I know it sounds kind of highfalutin, but it's really 220 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,440 possible. And it's not that hard, because I could do it. And 221 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,160 I don't have any skills. So please, No, but seriously, 222 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:39,270 seriously. And that's the mistake. And so it's like, oh, 223 00:13:39,330 --> 00:13:42,600 another opportunity to make money. And then this and I'm 224 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,780 just gonna be and so this is I'm not depressed, I'm very happy 225 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:48,540 because I think it'll just be another another place that'll 226 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:52,230 fuck up and be stupid and not and not work. It's like It's 227 00:13:52,230 --> 00:13:55,080 like all the all the it's everything's stupid. We have the 228 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,190 standard podcasting 2.0 We have the standard, we're setting the 229 00:13:59,190 --> 00:14:02,280 standard, we have the the movement, and that's something 230 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,790 we can talk about, because that was also clear from the report 231 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:07,410 card and evolutions 232 00:14:07,830 --> 00:14:11,040 been downloaded all that Yeah. But it's but 233 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:19,170 it's really it's always going to be a disappointment. Because 234 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,360 there's only it's only going to be established names or names 235 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,770 with marketing money behind them. And it's just it. It's 236 00:14:28,770 --> 00:14:31,320 usually it's a waste of your time. It's like if you say I'm 237 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,500 going to start a podcast network, I would say no, no, no, 238 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:39,420 no, it's going to end bad. And lo and behold, every network 239 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:43,440 that was bought by Spotify was all pissed off and and then even 240 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,610 the iHeart verge had a big article about it. Oh, and we 241 00:14:47,610 --> 00:14:50,190 didn't get advertising. We didn't get the attention. It 242 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:55,470 doesn't work. This is a you cannot capture podcasting 243 00:14:55,470 --> 00:15:00,930 anymore. It's done. And this is ever evasive. Just Discovery is 244 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:04,950 bullshit. It's just it's good that I'm going on vacation 245 00:15:04,950 --> 00:15:08,460 because I'm really fired up about this part. We don't need 246 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:12,420 some algorithmic discovery mechanism. For podcasts. That's 247 00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:18,720 just not how it works. Here's a perfect example. Tina and I have 248 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,170 been talking about faith and religion and God on on our 249 00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:26,790 podcast. And people start saying, Hey, here's a book. 250 00:15:26,970 --> 00:15:30,720 Here's a podcast, this is how we discover not by going in and 251 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,390 saying, oh, okay, maybe if I listen to this one 252 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:36,330 recommendation will pop up. And I can listen to that for 30 253 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:41,190 minutes. It's not the same as YouTube or Twitter. This is a 254 00:15:41,220 --> 00:15:46,260 inherently peer to peer medium people telling each other Hey, 255 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:49,410 you should check that podcast out. How did you find that the 256 00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:53,190 last three podcasts you found? You didn't find him? Someone 257 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:57,450 told you about them? That's right. Okay. Yeah. So but 258 00:15:57,450 --> 00:15:59,940 there's this, there's this. That's what's going on? And 259 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:02,910 let's be honest, the press doesn't want to talk about 260 00:16:02,910 --> 00:16:06,510 podcasting. 2.0 They didn't invent it. The only the only guy 261 00:16:06,510 --> 00:16:10,710 who actually reports anything is Cridland. Right. I mean, I was 262 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:14,670 very disappointed to read the podcast Business Journal, what I 263 00:16:14,670 --> 00:16:22,260 learned that Podcast Movement evolutions. It means not a 264 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:27,840 single mention of any podcasting. 2.0 Nothing. But 265 00:16:27,870 --> 00:16:31,110 like, it didn't happen. Like no one mentioned it was completely 266 00:16:31,140 --> 00:16:31,890 absent. 267 00:16:32,250 --> 00:16:35,160 If we're not there, it doesn't get it doesn't get talked about 268 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,240 everything other than Cridland. You know, Caitlyn talked about 269 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,540 the report card and stuff and showed our scores and the high 270 00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:43,590 scores we got and 271 00:16:43,980 --> 00:16:47,670 it was really funny. Today, um, no agenda. I wrote that down 272 00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:50,550 because every single time before the donation segment, I was 273 00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:54,690 plugged podcasting. 2.0 do podcast apps calm. And so I had 274 00:16:54,690 --> 00:16:56,520 it written down. It's like, yeah, you know, it's the most 275 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,670 recent Podcast Movement evolutions you know, podcasts 276 00:16:59,670 --> 00:17:03,510 index got the top numbers above Google and Amazon and in 277 00:17:03,540 --> 00:17:08,970 creativity, innovation, all this stuff. And and the vortex have 278 00:17:08,970 --> 00:17:11,130 well, of course, you're putting those got everyone out of 279 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:14,730 business those losers. I'm like, holy shit. And then he said, 280 00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:18,870 Tell me about this. This update thing this this that it updates 281 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:22,770 so quick. And like 60 seconds. Totally shit. Devorah was asking 282 00:17:22,770 --> 00:17:26,940 me about pod. Nose. Yes. And then he said, and then he said, 283 00:17:27,030 --> 00:17:30,210 Apple should be ashamed of themselves there. They're 284 00:17:30,810 --> 00:17:34,950 wasting all this energy and resources. I was blown away. I 285 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:36,210 do. Wow. Yeah. 286 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:38,520 more mainstream. I 287 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:41,580 think we're getting there when divorce tech is has something to 288 00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:43,890 say about it. I was that was Wow. Okay. 289 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:47,460 Yeah, that's, that's we've turned the corner evidently. 290 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,350 This wheels up, baby. That's what I mean, when we onboard 291 00:17:52,350 --> 00:17:53,460 wheel wheels up. 292 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,200 I don't know if you remember. Of course, you remember this? 293 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,940 That's a stupid thing to say. But I don't know if maybe people 294 00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:08,610 remember the timeline the way we do. But let me just throw this 295 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:12,420 out at you. I mean, I was thinking back about you on 296 00:18:12,420 --> 00:18:17,850 YouTube. And the thing that the thing that strikes me about 297 00:18:17,850 --> 00:18:25,380 YouTube is it's it's very good at search is very good at video 298 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:33,330 search. And video, I think is a medium that lends itself to, to 299 00:18:33,390 --> 00:18:39,780 easier search than audio. I hope that that's not just May I think 300 00:18:39,810 --> 00:18:46,110 that's probably fairly self evident. Because there's a, we 301 00:18:46,110 --> 00:18:50,130 don't, I think we discount the visual component of search, even 302 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:54,870 for things that aren't images and videos. So like when you do 303 00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:59,970 a Google search, there's a very visual component to what you 304 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:01,920 get, you get the results back. 305 00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:05,849 I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with you 100% Because this happens to 306 00:19:05,849 --> 00:19:11,189 me every day. I'm looking for a clip of Jen Psaki talking some 307 00:19:11,189 --> 00:19:15,419 shit on some certain day that I do the search. And sometimes 308 00:19:15,419 --> 00:19:18,659 I'll search directly on YouTube. And just by the thumbnails, I 309 00:19:18,659 --> 00:19:21,449 can see if it's the right outfit. I know it's the right 310 00:19:21,449 --> 00:19:24,269 setting. Oh, yeah, it's very important completely agree. 311 00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:28,590 And, and it's not just that's not even just video. If you do a 312 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:32,280 plain vanilla Google search, a lot of times you can instantly 313 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,790 spot something, just that you know, that's the thing you want 314 00:19:35,790 --> 00:19:37,470 just by the headline without even reading 315 00:19:37,499 --> 00:19:40,259 or how many times have you been searching for something and you 316 00:19:40,259 --> 00:19:43,019 hit the image tab? Because you know, you're so that's what I'm 317 00:19:43,019 --> 00:19:44,609 actually talking about that thing? 318 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:48,330 Mm hmm. Yep. If you're searching for a person, you just know the 319 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,090 person what they look like you don't you know, like that. 320 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,400 Sometimes the image search will get you there faster than the 321 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,390 actual text search. 322 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:57,840 You know what we need? We need a chapter image search. 323 00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:02,310 That's a good idea. Dear chapter, 324 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:04,980 hey, put it on the list. 325 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:10,770 Where's my list? Here's the list. I found it. I'm going to 326 00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:12,090 title this the list 327 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,660 view list view list is going to be huge. Your chapter 328 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,850 image search. Okay? That. So if you search, if you think back in 329 00:20:20,850 --> 00:20:25,620 time to the history of YouTube and how they sort of became 330 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:32,340 dominant in that area. Do you remember? Back when? Okay, so 331 00:20:32,340 --> 00:20:38,160 there was Google Video? Yes. And what would happen all the time 332 00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:42,390 was you would go and search for something. And you know, it's a 333 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:45,420 video and this is I think this is sort of pre YouTube 334 00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:48,450 dominance. And a lot of people don't under weren't there. They 335 00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:49,260 weren't know what 336 00:20:49,260 --> 00:20:53,580 to do.google.com was a go to. Yeah, yeah. 337 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:58,770 And it would occasionally surface some YouTube results. 338 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:01,530 But hold on a second. It was way before YouTube 339 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:06,390 was independent, though. That's when YouTube was just a little 340 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:07,560 startup before they get bought 341 00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:10,320 wasn't even on the radar. As far as I'm concerned. It was almost 342 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,740 nothing. Yeah. And so then, because then because they had 343 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:18,300 YouTube. If I can just interrupt. Yeah, yeah, good. 344 00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:24,630 YouTube did a couple of things. One, it use flash. data. So it 345 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:27,600 played super fast. It didn't have to load anything. There was 346 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,740 no embedded players, believe it or not, that was the thing. And 347 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:36,240 of course, it was free posting and transcribing. You used to 348 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,210 have to transcribe upload have crap loads of storage, and 349 00:21:42,210 --> 00:21:46,290 forget the bandwidth costs to here it was it was free. That's 350 00:21:46,290 --> 00:21:50,580 what it was. Yeah, it was easy, fast. Free. It worked on any 351 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:51,210 device. 352 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:59,850 Yep. And then you had you had the the whole ecosystem, like 353 00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:03,720 the video landscape back then was way more distributed. He had 354 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,980 a Vimeo and you had, 355 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:08,040 we had video podcast, via podcast. 356 00:22:09,150 --> 00:22:15,300 So at one point you had, you had Vimeo, Google video, YouTube, 357 00:22:15,450 --> 00:22:18,240 was independent at the time, and then you had a whole slew of 358 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,580 video podcasts and other smaller platforms. And then, Google 359 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:27,270 tried to start indexing those into the Google Video Search. 360 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,260 And it was horrible. Yeah, I never found anything decent. And 361 00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:35,340 shit would just go away to just this year. And they would always 362 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:37,920 surface like the low quality versions of stuff, and you 363 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,680 couldn't find the good, you know, it's out there. But you 364 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,890 can't find like, the higher quality and all it was, it was a 365 00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:49,440 bunch of garbage really. And then then YouTube, they they 366 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,860 bought it integrated the search, where YouTube became a first 367 00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:58,590 where YouTube search results became first class citizens 368 00:22:58,590 --> 00:23:03,780 within Google search. And that was it, that that very much 369 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:09,390 mean, just wipe the floor with everybody else. There. There's 370 00:23:09,390 --> 00:23:15,960 no such equivalent to that, in podcasting, you can't do the 371 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:22,380 same thing. That's, you can't take the audio medium, and, and 372 00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:26,580 replicate that thing with it. And that's why they're going you 373 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:31,140 look at all the sort of the preview tech of what's been 374 00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:34,620 rumored and released a little bit so far. In it's all just, 375 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:40,080 you know, try to use try to use artwork, try to use, you know, 376 00:23:40,110 --> 00:23:43,440 fancy still images, try, you know, try to you please, we'll 377 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,100 pay you $50,000 to switch the video. But I think they 378 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:51,600 inherently know that this is not an YouTube is not an audio first 379 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,250 medium is not going to be in it's not going to have the only 380 00:23:56,250 --> 00:24:00,180 way they can get discovery through their search stuff to 381 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:04,830 work the same way that they did with with the original Google 382 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,430 with original video search is if they just take all of the 383 00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:16,770 podcast platforms and just forced them into this metadata 384 00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:22,320 funnel. And it's not possible. They can't do it. I just 385 00:24:24,270 --> 00:24:27,810 I'm gonna tell you this isn't this is gonna be a sad launch. 386 00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:31,560 It could be all kinds of stupid issues there. Now that I hear 387 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,770 about ingesting RSS feeds does that mean they're going to suck 388 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:40,140 in the audio and the end and they will store the audio? I 389 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:44,670 mean, this is a big no this is a this is the one of the reasons I 390 00:24:44,670 --> 00:24:50,070 am going to turn 180 degrees on the block tag. Yeah, I don't 391 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:53,970 want these eight. And and by the way, it's a farce to think that 392 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:58,500 you have to be everywhere. It's not true. Joe Rogan doesn't have 393 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:02,520 to be everywhere. Oh, Yeah, he's getting $200 million. That's not 394 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,030 the point is your is your community is wherever you want 395 00:25:06,030 --> 00:25:13,590 to be. If you distribute CD ROMs cassettes they will no agenda 396 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:17,400 used to do that no agenda CDs used to have. I think we used to 397 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,790 have cassette does see actually yes, CDs, cassettes, I remember 398 00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:26,880 that, yeah, CDs Yeah, with 1000s of CDs, that thumb drives all 399 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,270 kinds of different ways of distributing. That's not where 400 00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:36,810 the value is. This this is it's a fundamental switch you have to 401 00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:41,940 make in your brain, that it's unimportant. What's important is 402 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:45,750 that either you can build a community around the topic that 403 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:49,830 you're talking about, or if it's about money, that you make the 404 00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:53,460 most money without compromise. Obviously, I'm gonna tell you 405 00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:57,480 value for value as the way to do that. But without compromise 406 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,960 part is really important. And when you I mean, are we insane? 407 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,780 It's like the already the consumer is choosing is having 408 00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:11,220 to make choices among streaming video and different music 409 00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:14,550 services. And it's becoming too crazy. There's too many apps 410 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:17,310 there's too many bills to pay. And now you're going to do the 411 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:20,610 exact same thing on the other side. Oh, I got to go check out 412 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:23,610 my Spotify comment to go check out my YouTube stuff. Oh, got to 413 00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:26,760 check out my stats here. Got to check out my Apple stuff. This 414 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,990 is dumb. So So yeah, whatever you however, you said that it 415 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:36,000 would just just was it man Munchausen by 1000 proxies that 416 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,740 we use you call? Yeah. It's it's totally it's it is listen to the 417 00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:47,490 pod father for once. That's a wild goose chase. I did it I ran 418 00:26:47,490 --> 00:26:50,820 I did it. I raised the money. I did all these things. It doesn't 419 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:55,260 pan out base because it's not centralized. That's one really 420 00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:58,170 good. That's a really good point you made about Rogan. I mean, 421 00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:02,010 he's, he's on one, he's in one place, you got to go jump 422 00:27:02,010 --> 00:27:04,650 through a whole bunch of hoops to go listen to him. And people 423 00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:07,890 evidently are jumping through the hoops they need to go to 424 00:27:07,890 --> 00:27:13,200 listen to us about the content. Sure. And if he Yeah, he's 425 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,800 making you know, a couple 100 million dollars on on Spotify. 426 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,240 But if he left Spotify today and went, you know, just to 427 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,000 somewhere B and went back to the open podcasting ecosystem, 428 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,430 everybody just falling back there. Yeah, it's 429 00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:30,060 absolutely. And you know, and if you really look at the numbers, 430 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:35,040 reminder, 40% of women surveyed, listen to podcasts on their page 431 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:38,940 in the player on the page. And I know Stephen is working on 432 00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:41,640 something for curio caster, but you know, take this into 433 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,040 account. This is why I love cast coverage. You know, it it 434 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,670 doesn't always have to be the same type of interface either. 435 00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:55,530 There's many different avenues we've just not explored yet. But 436 00:27:55,530 --> 00:28:02,880 yet, you know, YouTube, so it's boring. It's really boring. And 437 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,790 of course, then of course the the real the lead of the story 438 00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:08,730 is Oh, advertising. Oh, you'll get YouTube advertising. Oh, 439 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:12,090 third partner advertising. Oh, Google advertising algos. 440 00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:18,570 Discoverability whoo subscribe, like smash that like button. I'm 441 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:23,070 mocking it but I mean it this is bullshit. This is dumb. Is does 442 00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:23,310 I 443 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:32,160 really want I don't really know. Oh, as Okay, as a as a pod as a 444 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,730 podcaster when you look out into you know, sort of what the quote 445 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:44,430 unquote podcasting industry I mean, use in you see what 446 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:51,930 YouTube looks like with the 50 ads, you know, for every video 447 00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:54,780 in it and that kind of thing. I mean, is that really what people 448 00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:55,290 want? 449 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,650 No, they're not thinking about that. Dave is thinking about 450 00:28:58,650 --> 00:29:02,520 this starry eyed. Do you know what the single single best 451 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,050 thing is that the no agenda show has done in almost 15 years. The 452 00:29:07,050 --> 00:29:14,490 best thing we have done to strengthen the community and to 453 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,380 actually raise our income 454 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,330 was that I take 455 00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:18,930 a guess 456 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,240 newsletter 457 00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:26,130 newsletters is critical but that's that that's been there 458 00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:29,220 from that's kind of part of the system but the best strap on 459 00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:31,860 we've added no agenda social. 460 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:34,110 Ah, okay. 461 00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:39,690 That's where ideas are born. Now you know that it's It's Our 462 00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:42,900 Community, they can interface with other people. It is it is a 463 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:46,710 very, very cost effective Of course, the way no agenda runs 464 00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:49,680 that we have, you know, Aaron er, He's maintaining the whole 465 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,110 thing out of the goodness of his heart, part of time, talent, 466 00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:57,060 treasure. These are the things that matter. This to two 467 00:29:57,060 --> 00:30:00,660 families have been living off of value for value and and no 468 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:05,310 compromise. And not on Spotify. You know, Apple barely updates 469 00:30:05,310 --> 00:30:13,560 us. You know, not on Amazon. Doing fine, happy. I don't feel 470 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,910 like I'm not like I don't have reach or my show hasn't grown 471 00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:22,050 enough. I know a lot of people are rolling their eyes at me not 472 00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:25,200 right now. But you never hear this. It's always how do I grow 473 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,000 my show? As you grow your bank account? That's what you're 474 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,460 really saying. You want to make more money. Okay. Well, let me 475 00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:33,570 tell you a better way. 476 00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:40,560 YouTube. Well, speaking of speaking, people rolling their 477 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,430 eyes at you want to have printed out some some of these comments 478 00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:46,860 from the report card. Do Now 479 00:30:46,890 --> 00:30:50,190 I want to say up front, I don't like the report card. Even 480 00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:55,470 though we come out favorably. I don't like the sample size is 481 00:30:55,470 --> 00:30:59,160 small. I don't like that it's not third party verified. It's 482 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,690 not really a good measure. It's fun. And then I also don't 483 00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:06,720 really like cherry picking of comments. Either we see all the 484 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,500 comments, 485 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:08,400 and I got them all. 486 00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:09,480 You got them. Okay. 487 00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:15,720 I'm all not just for us. But for that I asked James and he said, 488 00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:19,500 and he sent me all of them all the comments, not just for us, 489 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:23,760 but for all of the for everybody for Apple, Apple. Me all of the 490 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,240 comments. 491 00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:28,410 Alright, so I'm not really a big fan of this. It's industry 492 00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:33,450 people probably considering where where the weather survey 493 00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:36,750 was done. So you know, there's a lot of things you don't know. 494 00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:40,140 And so yeah, we we come out great. I totally appreciate 495 00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:44,280 that. But I can't be celebrating other than for the PR value of 496 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,090 it. Because it's it's not really a scientific study, in my 497 00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:48,600 opinion. 498 00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:53,100 Well, I got it. I got it more for the criticisms than for the 499 00:31:53,790 --> 00:31:54,720 for the good stuff. 500 00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:58,230 Okay, you want to hurt me? We want to hurt me before we go on 501 00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:59,670 vacation. Okay, good. 502 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:03,180 Well, I want to bring you I want to bring you low. Take me down, 503 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:03,630 and you'll 504 00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:06,510 build me back up. Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready. Cut me. 505 00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:14,310 I think it's probably it's probably a good idea to look at 506 00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:17,100 some of these look at some of the negative comments because 507 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:22,530 they may be they may be onto something we may be blind and 508 00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:28,560 missing thing. Okay. Okay. Let's see, I highlighted a few that 509 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,370 stood out to me now. 510 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:34,770 Hold on, hold on a second. There was one other problem I had in 511 00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,780 there. Do you have the questions there as well? 512 00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:43,380 No, I just, I, I've ordered this by like section. So like 513 00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:46,680 onboarding, monetization innovation? And then I just 514 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,000 printed out the comments. 515 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,040 Okay. Because the, the real problem I had was with the the 516 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,590 phrasing of the question about monetization. 517 00:32:56,910 --> 00:33:02,880 Okay. I don't remember how it was phrased. Yeah. You got you 518 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,270 got to 519 00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:11,190 Yeah, I got to find it here. The report card all right, why don't 520 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:13,320 you read the comments now and I'll look up the codes of 521 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,230 question didn't even mention value for value lightning or 522 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:19,920 even Bitcoin just said crypto and tipping. Like come on, man. 523 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:26,310 That's bullshit. I didn't know that. Yeah, that was that. 524 00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:29,669 I don't think we'll see. I think that goes back to the your 525 00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:33,149 original thing of the this being sort of industry specific 526 00:33:33,149 --> 00:33:33,419 because 527 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,850 Oh, yeah, it's everyone's into advertising. who answered this? 528 00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:39,480 No one wants to be cut out of advertising. No value for value 529 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,340 is not not the way it's gonna go. 530 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,950 Oh, yeah. But I guess what I mean, is I think they probably 531 00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:47,190 already know what it is. So the question is probably well, 532 00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:49,590 no. Okay. Hold on. Read the question. I have the question 533 00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:53,880 here. Okay. These services offer ways to help your cod podcast 534 00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,270 make money from subscriptions to tipping and crypto. How well do 535 00:34:00,270 --> 00:34:07,770 they work for your podcast? Oh, come on. Testing that's it's 536 00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:12,660 fine. But that's not what we offer. It's not it's not and we 537 00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:13,650 don't offer shit. 538 00:34:14,309 --> 00:34:16,499 We don't read that's the thing is we don't offer anything. 539 00:34:16,499 --> 00:34:17,669 Yeah. All right. So 540 00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:21,569 that that was my real gripe is the question like that is I 541 00:34:21,569 --> 00:34:23,279 can't take these answers seriously. 542 00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,510 Well, okay, there's still good stuff in here though. This. Let 543 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:32,220 me see, let me say, I'll start off with a good one. How about 544 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:32,490 this? 545 00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:35,730 I'm gonna give me all bad ones. It's fine. 546 00:34:36,539 --> 00:34:40,049 I'm gonna say this could be a good one first. Next is the only 547 00:34:40,049 --> 00:34:42,989 index that seems to take the time to remove garbage anchor 548 00:34:42,989 --> 00:34:45,539 feeds Plus supports namespace extensions. 549 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:49,860 Yeah, well, that's all you baby. Dave Jones is the man. 550 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:56,760 Well, let's meet when we found one that is for is about you. 551 00:34:57,090 --> 00:34:58,140 Let's see. It's a very 552 00:34:58,140 --> 00:34:59,550 good dynamic. We have 553 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:03,930 Here's this is a good one for you, you're gonna like this 554 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,640 podcast index and podcasting 2.0 are really innovative, but I 555 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,340 don't like the crypto focus around that. This burns our 556 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:18,300 planet and raises the profit of Mr. Curry. See, I knew by by 557 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,800 reading that that laugh instead of hurt your feelings. Yes. 558 00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:26,340 No it doesn't because I saw this comment this this, this joker 559 00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:29,370 answered three comments. It was so obvious it was the same 560 00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:33,990 person he's killing the planet is burning it up with this damn 561 00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:35,910 crypto horrible man. 562 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:39,750 He's arrived. He's rising your profit though? Well, luckily, 563 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,290 Greenpeace and the XRP douchebag are going to save us as we 564 00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:46,020 change the code. So we're good to go. 565 00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:51,270 So I would like to make some commentary on this. Within there 566 00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:54,240 was there's a few comments like this, here's, here's another one 567 00:35:54,240 --> 00:36:00,180 probably saying SEO, podcast index, like they have tags for 568 00:36:00,180 --> 00:36:02,160 donation, but they need to move past their infection, 569 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,980 infatuation with Bitcoin. It's more harmful than it is 570 00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:06,990 valuable. And aside from it being a pyramid scheme 571 00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:09,600 contributing to the climate crisis, the barrier to entry is 572 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,660 too high for listeners, let alone podcasters. I understand 573 00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:15,240 the culture of value for value model comes from. But sure 574 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,520 that's great for libertarians, but I'm happy sticking to the 575 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,770 sidelines throwing stones from the right side of history. 576 00:36:22,410 --> 00:36:26,940 That's funny. I like that. I like it. Yeah. Well, I 577 00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:30,390 guess I guess we should we should consider that advertising 578 00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:33,600 based petro dollar system. That's working out. Great. 579 00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:36,150 That's clean. That's the clean energy for you. 580 00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:42,960 Great. The how many? How much? How much? How much fossil fuel 581 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,970 does a like a like a tank? Burn? Like? Oh, gallons a mile? Those? 582 00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:52,770 The military is the biggest polluter? Yeah, yeah. 583 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,930 We're all in dollars to the petro dollar. Sure. But so just 584 00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:08,070 in general, I want to say this. I want criticism. It's it's how 585 00:37:08,070 --> 00:37:12,420 things get me it's how things get better. For me, bugs don't 586 00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:16,200 get fixed. If they aren't reported. People, you know, you 587 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,650 you have to, you have to have people out there that tell you 588 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,540 negative things. When you're building and creating, you need 589 00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:33,180 it. Be nice. Assume you don't know everything. I think that's 590 00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:35,880 probably a good place to start when you're giving criticism. 591 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:44,430 But also remember that when you're criticizing, think about 592 00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:49,710 note, you have to understand who you're criticizing. We're a 593 00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:56,250 bunch of people with day jobs, and no money. We're not Apple, 594 00:37:56,850 --> 00:38:00,840 we're not Spotify. And when I say we, I would like to define 595 00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:07,890 what we is we is anybody who participates in podcasting. 2.0 596 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,440 Because podcasting 2.0 is not Adam and Dave, podcasting. 2.0 597 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:18,660 is about 100 Different people all doing different things, 598 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:24,300 sometimes just making comments. Yes, right. That is what we is. 599 00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:32,280 And every one of us have day jobs, most of them not involving 600 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,840 this project. So this is a labor of love of everybody involved. 601 00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:40,110 So when you're criticizing, it's fair to criticize and it's it's 602 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:44,490 good, do it please do criticize. But remember who you're 603 00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:49,350 criticizing and what is actually going on on the other side of 604 00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:50,040 the criticism 605 00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:56,280 and allow me to expand because yes, value for value streaming 606 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,150 payments are incredibly important to me. So when people 607 00:39:00,150 --> 00:39:06,330 criticize me, let me explain why I have pioneered a model that 608 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,830 with Jhansi Dvorak, that allows us to make content which is 609 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:14,970 very, very precious to us very dear to us. So we have no 610 00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:19,140 restrictions. It is completely what we want. And we and we 611 00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:23,910 chose that path which meant we could not take advertising. We 612 00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:30,360 we have. So podcasting 2.0 was also for me not just to ensure 613 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,890 that our podcast would be available at least on an app 614 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:37,950 somewhere that I could point people to so they could use it. 615 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,260 Should Apple decide just like the decided with Alex Jones or X 616 00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:48,990 22 that all of a sudden we're no good. But worse we're incredibly 617 00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:53,100 vulnerable with our money supply. At payment processors, 618 00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:58,740 anything could be shut off at a whim the the news is full of 619 00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:03,270 these of this You can you can be supporting a Canadian trucker 620 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:07,320 and get your money turned off. That could happen to me. So when 621 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,770 it comes to booster grams and value for value, I'm really, 622 00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:14,910 really passionate. So yeah, that's what you're hearing. It's 623 00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:19,050 not infatuation, I don't have the luxury of going back to the 624 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:23,520 petro dollar advertising route, not mentally, but also just it 625 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,220 wouldn't be accepted. I can't I can't even create programming 626 00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:29,430 for it anymore. Doesn't mean I'm invalid or should be pushed 627 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:33,330 aside or told to shut up or stop your infatuation, you 628 00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:34,620 libertarian douche 629 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,330 that was well delivered. 630 00:40:39,330 --> 00:40:42,540 Thank you, thank you. I'm, I want to be podcast or one day 631 00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:42,960 I'm working on. 632 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:49,440 The I mean, if you want a good example of this, I keep going 633 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,930 back to this, you know, from time to time is, and you don't 634 00:40:55,380 --> 00:41:00,840 do this. We're in a climate right now. Where the people 635 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,720 getting canceled, or all all seem to be seen. It's not all 636 00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:09,030 there's plenty of people on the left getting canceled too, that 637 00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:12,780 you never hear about. But for the most part, there's a lot of 638 00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:16,470 right, right ish and libertarian leaning people that get 639 00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:22,950 cancelled and a lot of them are easy to vilify. From from the 640 00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:29,940 left. But please understand that can change. history, history is 641 00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:35,070 any indication, it not only can change but it will change. If 642 00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:38,190 you want a good example of that read Ty B's Matt Davies latest 643 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,420 thing about meat censored. Yeah, Chris Hedges. Yeah. Former New 644 00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:46,020 York Times guy not not a right guy, not a right leaning guy at 645 00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:53,400 all. His his his thing that got him canceled was he's anti war. 646 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:58,290 And I can guarantee you that will get you canceled. And we 647 00:41:58,290 --> 00:42:01,170 don't want people like that getting canceled. We need people 648 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,820 Yes, criticize, or 649 00:42:02,850 --> 00:42:06,690 yes, we want we want everyone to speak everyone to say whatever 650 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:10,710 they want. So so don't make yourself vulnerable. Don't give 651 00:42:10,740 --> 00:42:15,030 don't give yourself away to YouTube and Spotify don't sign 652 00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:18,900 their documents read what they're saying. And more and 653 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:22,650 more importantly focus on your audience, whatever you want out 654 00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:26,370 of them. There's no such thing as Wolfman Jack anymore, you 655 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:26,670 know. 656 00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:38,730 So there's one more thing create the we also includes the we have 657 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:43,980 podcast in Tupelo also includes listeners, let Yes. And all the 658 00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:47,340 people in here that commented in the report card, if they want to 659 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:52,110 participate, yes, they can participate easily. Podcast 660 00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:56,220 index dot social, Twitter, GitHub, any of that stuff, they 661 00:42:56,220 --> 00:43:00,180 can participate. We keep a team's repo that Mike Newman 662 00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:04,320 updates all the time with names of people do distributors hop in 663 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,350 and just make comments. And you're on the list and you're 664 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:12,150 part of the you're part of the team. And but I want to say this 665 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:24,390 creating is not stopping things you don't see any value in. So 666 00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:31,290 let me try to be more clear. It's not creating a thing to pop 667 00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:36,660 in, and try to get other people to stop doing a thing. That's 668 00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:43,230 not creation. That's just commentary. If you want to 669 00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:49,230 create something new, do it create, create a new thing, help 670 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,890 create a new thing. But don't mistake that don't mistake 671 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,270 telling somebody else they ought to stop doing a thing as an act 672 00:44:00,270 --> 00:44:05,040 of creation, because it's not. It doesn't mean it's not 673 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,460 valuable, if the thing they're doing is something that you feel 674 00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:11,760 strongly about. But let's just keep those two things clear. 675 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:15,450 Those aren't the same thing. Is that fair? 676 00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:18,570 Yes. You know, as you're as you're talking about this, 677 00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:24,000 here's a thought that ran through my mind. If we had gone 678 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,170 you if Adam and Dave had drawn up a proposal and said, Okay, 679 00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:34,170 we're gonna create the world's largest independent database of 680 00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:39,930 podcasts. We're going to make an API available to any developer 681 00:44:39,930 --> 00:44:45,390 who wants to come in and do this. We were going to expand 682 00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:50,940 the functionality of podcasting. We're going to add a Bitcoin 683 00:44:50,970 --> 00:44:56,400 payment system native to the whole shebang. Adam and Dave 684 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,210 could have gone to Andreessen Horowitz and gotten 100% million 685 00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:08,610 dollars and it would have sucked. It would have sucked. 686 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,620 That's the experience that we bring. And you're absolutely 687 00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:18,360 right. The beauty of this project is because of the nature 688 00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:22,140 of any one, you can throw sticks and stones, rocks, whatever you 689 00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:25,560 want at it. But it really comes to life when you start to 690 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,340 participate. 691 00:45:28,949 --> 00:45:36,929 Example of participation. So Alex has just brigade, Mr. Good, 692 00:45:36,929 --> 00:45:43,559 yes, Mr. Gates. He has a new proposal for a JSON payment 693 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:51,989 token, which, which is a way of verifying proof of like giving 694 00:45:51,989 --> 00:45:55,079 validation or proof of payment. So that's one thing that's 695 00:45:55,079 --> 00:46:00,269 missing is, if you can say, you can say that you can see that a 696 00:46:00,269 --> 00:46:04,859 thing was paid, but you can't tell who paid it. That's native 697 00:46:04,859 --> 00:46:08,459 to lightning. Right? That's, that's an intentional, yes, 698 00:46:08,459 --> 00:46:12,509 intentional and, but that can be a problem. Sometimes, let's just 699 00:46:12,509 --> 00:46:15,209 say if you've used, let's say, you've paid for a subscription 700 00:46:15,209 --> 00:46:20,819 to something, you need to say, Hey, I'm the one that did that. 701 00:46:21,209 --> 00:46:24,509 That was me. Because I want to verify my identity so that I can 702 00:46:24,539 --> 00:46:28,889 go and get so I can claim the subscription. So down the line, 703 00:46:28,889 --> 00:46:31,859 there's going to be a need for things like this for payment, 704 00:46:32,399 --> 00:46:38,549 verification. And he wrote up a very nice proposal, and we 705 00:46:38,549 --> 00:46:44,039 tested it out works works well. With lnd, we were able to verify 706 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:50,549 some payments. And it's all it's all open source. And it's up on 707 00:46:50,549 --> 00:46:53,009 that get up on the GitHub for the namespace right now. 708 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,390 Good question. Does this in the future, because I've been paying 709 00:46:57,390 --> 00:47:03,360 attention to authentication with your lightning node, and your 710 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,560 your lightning key, I guess, your your, your key pair? Is 711 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,690 this something that will fold into that? Because I think we're 712 00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:14,310 going to see a lot of authentication in the future 713 00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:18,510 being done through a lightning key pair instead of many other 714 00:47:18,810 --> 00:47:22,050 options. That's a hunch. 715 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:28,799 Yeah, this is similar. This is based on a JW T, a JavaScript, 716 00:47:29,579 --> 00:47:36,479 JSON web token. And you can, it's, it's based on the 717 00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:42,689 properties of the lightning payment, so the payment hash, 718 00:47:43,289 --> 00:47:47,609 and the amount paid. So you're, you're basically you're you're 719 00:47:47,609 --> 00:47:53,369 hashing these, these critical parts of the payment, and then 720 00:47:53,369 --> 00:47:57,059 come up with with a, you know, with a value, and then coming 721 00:47:57,059 --> 00:47:59,129 back and saying, you know, here's, here's the proof that, 722 00:47:59,459 --> 00:48:02,429 that I'm the one that hash, because you can write it right. 723 00:48:02,909 --> 00:48:04,439 So it can be out of band. 724 00:48:04,469 --> 00:48:06,719 That's interesting, because that's not something that would 725 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,459 be enlightening at a certain point. 726 00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:16,380 A pot, it's possible. Except, you know, Kison throws a wrench 727 00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:18,000 in the whole work, because, 728 00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:21,960 of course it does. Broadcasting money is the part that very few 729 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,650 people understand. It takes a broadcaster to understand how 730 00:48:25,650 --> 00:48:29,610 damn cool that is. But it's not natural for most people, I 731 00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:30,150 think. 732 00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:33,870 No, and it's not natural for for lightning, either. It was you 733 00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:34,530 know, it's a 734 00:48:34,529 --> 00:48:37,409 hack. It's really a hack. Yeah. Love that. 735 00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:44,790 Yeah. So we that's, that is an example this proposal is is 736 00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:48,780 going to come in predict very important down the line. And 737 00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:52,860 when we start to do more complex things, I love it. And that is a 738 00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:57,030 thing that nobody told Jay, nobody told Alex to do that. He 739 00:48:57,030 --> 00:49:02,040 did it himself completely independently. And it's part 740 00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:06,390 that is another contribution to podcasting. 2.0 is a 741 00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:08,640 contribution to the whole world, honestly, but its contribution 742 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,620 to podcasting. 2.0 specifically, no, that is how this project 743 00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:21,060 works. That's how it works. People do what they want. Nobody 744 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,810 sets the rules. People do what they want. And as part of a 745 00:49:27,810 --> 00:49:32,520 shared vision, we create standards. Anybody can create 746 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,300 one and the whole group that's it, we give it we give feedback. 747 00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:41,970 But nobody tells anybody else what to do. Not how this whole 748 00:49:41,970 --> 00:49:42,660 thing works. 749 00:49:42,989 --> 00:49:46,019 It also did I don't think I've ever even seen that happen. 750 00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:51,690 I don't think either and which is awesome. Yeah. And the way 751 00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:53,400 that that goes, that's just part of these 752 00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:56,130 records. We all we all know that you really you're really the one 753 00:49:56,130 --> 00:50:00,270 that holds our MK Ultra key. You've got us by the nose We 754 00:50:00,270 --> 00:50:04,410 just follow Dave. Just burn, burn it down. Yes, Dave. 755 00:50:05,879 --> 00:50:11,549 Here's one. See, the podcasting in the podcast index gives hope. 756 00:50:11,669 --> 00:50:14,459 But it needs to become a standardized body if it wants to 757 00:50:14,459 --> 00:50:18,149 make any real impact, in my opinion, that goes back to what 758 00:50:18,149 --> 00:50:23,069 we were just saying. We're building standards. But we're 759 00:50:23,069 --> 00:50:25,679 not. We're not a governing body. 760 00:50:25,769 --> 00:50:30,959 No. Nor do we aspire to be an I've only had poor experiences 761 00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:33,179 in them and observing them. 762 00:50:34,139 --> 00:50:38,399 Yes. Yeah. As soon as you sneeze, you stick a 501 C three 763 00:50:38,399 --> 00:50:40,709 on it and start doing all this stuff. It just all goes 764 00:50:40,709 --> 00:50:41,339 together. And 765 00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:45,690 when you have to have a meeting, I think that's when it starts. I 766 00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:48,750 just what I love about the dev meetings, they are they're kind 767 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:53,340 of random ad hoc, it just they happen. The swarm of the flock 768 00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:57,810 of birds, you know, I'll go left we'll do a dev meeting. Yeah, 769 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,990 these things are really these are, it's beautiful. It's as I 770 00:51:00,990 --> 00:51:02,790 said it before some of the most beautiful things I've ever 771 00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:07,470 worked on. But you know, there's a lot of, well, this kind of 772 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,420 folds into branding positioning, and I know that you're working 773 00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:17,730 on a, you're writing something. Yeah, that I presume is not done 774 00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:18,750 yet. You want to talk about it? 775 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,430 Yeah, it's not done yet out? Yeah, we'll do. It'll definitely 776 00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:25,410 be out by the next show. So we'll talk about it then. But 777 00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:32,670 it's, it's more of a vision piece. And I just had this kind 778 00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:39,930 of realization that from from reading these comments that we 779 00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:42,900 have not because there was a lot of this, let me let me interrupt 780 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,560 myself. There was a lot of things that felt fell into this 781 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,930 general response. What is podcast index? Question mark? 782 00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:55,350 Like there was a lot of that. Sure. Or I hadn't heard of 783 00:51:55,350 --> 00:52:00,270 podcast index, or I don't know, podcast index. What is it? I 784 00:52:00,270 --> 00:52:02,910 mean, there, there was just a lot of comments like that. Oh, 785 00:52:02,909 --> 00:52:08,039 absolutely. Of course, because it's completely screwed up. It's 786 00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:12,959 very, it's very unclear. Absolutely. It this. And but 787 00:52:12,959 --> 00:52:16,739 again, this is what we're working on. And Daniel J. Lewis, 788 00:52:17,699 --> 00:52:22,109 painfully put together a Docker for me to now go figure out on 789 00:52:22,109 --> 00:52:26,669 my on my vacation. It's gonna be great. Just, it's simple. Just 790 00:52:26,669 --> 00:52:32,429 follow these instructions. On vacation. But it's, it's that 791 00:52:32,429 --> 00:52:36,389 important to me. But, you know, what we clearly are seeing is, 792 00:52:36,749 --> 00:52:39,089 you know, this was all placeholder and now we're 793 00:52:39,089 --> 00:52:41,909 getting more into okay, what is podcasting? 2.0 Well, it's a 794 00:52:41,909 --> 00:52:45,959 number of things. Now, it can live at podcast index.org But it 795 00:52:45,959 --> 00:52:48,359 just has to be completely different when you get there, 796 00:52:48,389 --> 00:52:53,999 you know, we're screaming, you know, like, directory. You know, 797 00:52:53,999 --> 00:52:59,009 that's what it screams when you get there. new podcast apps.com 798 00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:02,039 is functional that works. You know, people get that it's like, 799 00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:05,939 okay, and they see it, but you don't really get there from the 800 00:53:05,939 --> 00:53:10,199 homepage. So that's it's all it's all complete branding mess, 801 00:53:10,289 --> 00:53:13,529 which is, it was just fine to me because we're gonna figure out 802 00:53:13,529 --> 00:53:15,599 exactly how to say it pretty soon to 803 00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:23,220 the now we've talked about we talked this week about focusing 804 00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:28,980 more on just being a standards or not more on being let me try 805 00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:32,550 and well I'm not trying to say we we talked about standard 806 00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:35,280 standards as the way to communicate the things that 807 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:35,820 we're doing 808 00:53:35,850 --> 00:53:39,240 Yes. Which I like a lot the podcasts and not even staying 809 00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:41,670 plural just the podcast standard. 810 00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:48,120 Yeah. And so that that brings up some that I wanted throw throw 811 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,870 at you you know, we've talked about it only see if I can find 812 00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:56,520 this comment this is actually there is a really sort of 813 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,680 critical comment here. And that I don't necessarily agree with 814 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,820 but it is worth reading if I can find there's like there's 815 00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:10,890 something like you they should have podcast index should have 816 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,970 put in this should have replicated all the iTunes tags 817 00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:19,170 immediately. They've wasted months bobble? Oh, yeah. Oh, 818 00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:22,410 here it is. Here it is. Okay. Podcast index has made some 819 00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:28,350 colossal mistakes. Okay. Re innovating existing podcast 820 00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:31,740 namespace protocols, instead of just starting with, instead of 821 00:54:31,740 --> 00:54:34,680 starting with integrating all of Apple's namespace stuff was an 822 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,030 extremely poor idea. And they've wasted months on an area of 823 00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:41,580 podcast tag that's questionable at best. I guess he's talking 824 00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:45,270 about crypto. It's shocking. This is the group that just 825 00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:46,260 might save podcast. 826 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,860 We'll get there no matter what Brother 827 00:54:49,889 --> 00:54:53,489 Yes, if they can focus. Now that I'm back to searching their 828 00:54:53,489 --> 00:54:57,209 directory. I hope they expand the search functions to at least 829 00:54:57,449 --> 00:55:01,049 at least to all available date data Then I hope they can start 830 00:55:01,049 --> 00:55:04,889 crunching and crawling and you know, indexing. Okay, so this is 831 00:55:04,889 --> 00:55:09,869 search guy. Yeah. So, but I wanted to focus on this re 832 00:55:09,869 --> 00:55:12,599 innovating existing podcast namespace protocols, instead of 833 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:15,389 starting with the integrating all of Apple's namespace stuff 834 00:55:16,769 --> 00:55:20,159 was an extremely poor idea. No, well, it's because you don't 835 00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:24,749 understand what, what what was good, what was going on. I think 836 00:55:24,779 --> 00:55:28,199 I think you're probably missing a critical sort of political 837 00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,169 component to this. And I don't mean politics with a big pay, I 838 00:55:31,169 --> 00:55:38,399 mean, a small p politics with when you in order to circumvent 839 00:55:39,539 --> 00:55:43,409 the uselessness of just replicating something that 840 00:55:43,409 --> 00:55:50,309 already exists. So you, you have a namespace, what and what we 841 00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:52,979 have is a vision, and this is going to come out in the article 842 00:55:52,979 --> 00:55:56,399 in the article I'm writing, we have a vision for what the 843 00:55:56,399 --> 00:55:59,759 future of podcasting can be, what it can look like, the 844 00:55:59,759 --> 00:56:06,359 things that listeners can do. In order to get there you need we 845 00:56:06,359 --> 00:56:14,549 needed a namespace. And so concomitant with that, we have 846 00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:18,029 this, this notion that, okay, we can kill two birds with one 847 00:56:18,029 --> 00:56:23,339 stone by having new things that we want to enhance the division 848 00:56:23,339 --> 00:56:29,159 of podcasting, podcasting, 2.0. And then also, we can use that 849 00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:34,079 to sort of bring in all the existing podcast stuff into one 850 00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:41,909 cohesive namespace. But you'll never, ever get anybody to adopt 851 00:56:42,269 --> 00:56:46,409 the quote unquote, podcast namespace, if all it does is 852 00:56:46,439 --> 00:56:52,019 from the beginning is replicate the iTunes namespace tags up 853 00:56:52,019 --> 00:56:56,909 somebody, it's, you can't sell that to anybody. 854 00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:59,940 I can't believe you're defending yourself over this, 855 00:57:01,230 --> 00:57:06,090 I think, I think is mildly important. Because I can see the 856 00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:08,670 confusion would come it's like, okay, well, if you're going to, 857 00:57:09,570 --> 00:57:12,390 it makes a sort of sense. Okay, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna 858 00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:16,980 start, you ought to start with pulling in what's already there, 859 00:57:16,980 --> 00:57:20,850 so that you have a baseline, like, you could defend that. But 860 00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:25,950 the defense is not, is not adequate. The defense doesn't 861 00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:29,490 hold up, because it won't ever get off the ground, what you 862 00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:35,190 need is new things. And those things happen to serve the 863 00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:40,410 vision, but they also give adopters a reason to implement 864 00:57:40,410 --> 00:57:44,340 the thing that you created. Then later, which is what we're 865 00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:49,170 beginning to do now. Later, you bring it you begin to adopt the 866 00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:54,750 existing things in there. Because already now we have, you 867 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:59,700 know, well, probably close to 400,000 podcast feeds out there 868 00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:03,180 that have the podcasts namespace declared in the Yeah, header, 869 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:09,030 and thank you. Once that happens, then everybody already 870 00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:13,710 has the declaration, and they can start to just expand the tag 871 00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:14,430 base. 872 00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:22,080 I was. You know, the Buzzsprout sponsors, pod news, or pod land, 873 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,150 I think. And so, you know, James has a thing and he says, this 874 00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:32,760 week, 3942 people started podcasting it Buzzsprout and I 875 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,160 hear that and I think well, let me add about the same number for 876 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:40,170 RSS comm. This week, 10,000 people started using the podcast 877 00:58:40,170 --> 00:58:44,850 standard, the podcast namespace. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we that's, 878 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,840 that's the truth. 879 00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:50,460 Yeah, that's the way that's that's what it means. Yeah. And 880 00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:51,360 it's absolutely great. 881 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,440 So anyway, to bring this all round, full circle, if YouTube, 882 00:58:55,710 --> 00:59:02,340 which will see hundreds of 1000s, I guess, feeds with with 883 00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:06,900 a namespace in it. If YouTube is seeing that, and they should 884 00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:10,110 understand this as a standard, it would be quite a shame if 885 00:59:10,110 --> 00:59:13,800 they didn't facilitate forward in their system, or anybody else 886 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,980 for that matter. And if they don't, when you literally are 887 00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:20,550 seeing this being provided, why are you not doing that? 888 00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:24,150 Yeah, it makes 889 00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:27,870 no sense. It's free. You know, here's another thing. I want to 890 00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:35,070 call my, my death listeners. I have them deaf and blind. The 891 00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:38,970 blind ones. There's also a lot of heart but hard of hearing is 892 00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:43,560 more correct. And English as a second language. They love the 893 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,810 transcripts. They love them. They really do. How many people 894 00:59:48,810 --> 00:59:51,150 say man appreciate the transcript because you know, I 895 00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:55,380 got cranked up to 11 Basically, he's a deaf guy making podcasts 896 00:59:55,380 --> 01:00:01,140 for a deaf person which is just hilarious. Okay, Then I look at 897 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:07,830 all this money going into high end content podcasts. And I 898 01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:13,080 think you Hollywood douchebags, the best movie winner, the best 899 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:22,050 movie was coda, a movie about deaf people. And you can't be 900 01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:25,890 bothered to put transcripts in your podcast, you hypocritical 901 01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:33,270 dishes. It's really outrageous. I mean it it's outrageous. Now I 902 01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:37,680 agree. And where all the advertising jag offs I'm really 903 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:38,400 on a roll today. 904 01:00:38,550 --> 01:00:40,620 You are like, I like pre vacation. 905 01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:45,900 Where we are, we can wait and wait till after vacation. Hey, 906 01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:51,720 man. Hey, baby, how is he doing? I love everybody. So YouTube, I 907 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,610 Love you Youtube. Where's all the advertising people who are 908 01:00:56,610 --> 01:01:00,210 going to glean context from transcripts? What are we waiting 909 01:01:00,210 --> 01:01:04,590 for? If you really are in the in the game, if you're in the game 910 01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:07,650 of advertising, you want to be indexed. Why don't you have 911 01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:13,170 transcripts? Oh, it's not free? Oh, I see. Okay, got it. Check. 912 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,460 Yeah, it costs an extra 30 cents doesn't 913 01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:21,780 just Buzzsprout. Does anyone provide transcripts for their 914 01:01:21,780 --> 01:01:25,650 service and the modest software aiming? Well as a part of the 915 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,270 part of the the monthly? 916 01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:31,920 I don't know. I don't know how that's built in. I'm assuming it 917 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:32,850 is. Yeah. I don't know. 918 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,560 One or two how to make anyway. I'm just saying, I don't 919 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,400 understand. I understand. I get nothing but happiness from 920 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,820 people over the transcripts. People who get the MO facts, 921 01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:48,510 transcripts. Oh, my goodness, people use these to to search 922 01:01:48,510 --> 01:01:53,340 all the time. Yeah. Some guy actually put together a 923 01:01:53,340 --> 01:01:56,910 searchable database, which is this markdown thing. And it's 924 01:01:56,910 --> 01:01:59,550 some app and you throw a whole bunch of markdown files into a 925 01:01:59,550 --> 01:02:02,610 folder and it becomes this awesome search engine. 926 01:02:03,299 --> 01:02:04,169 What does that 927 01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:11,070 G O have to look at? Something with a B? I think, 928 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,430 Okay. Well, I want this might be a good time to play a clip. 929 01:02:17,610 --> 01:02:27,810 Okay. This is I would not normally play Leo. But this is a 930 01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:32,520 good this is a pretty good Leo clip. This was from 931 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,030 when the Leo Laporte you mean from this week in tech? Do you 932 01:02:36,030 --> 01:02:37,830 do you watch this week in tech regularly? 933 01:02:38,070 --> 01:02:40,410 No, I never watched this weekend. This is from Windows 934 01:02:40,410 --> 01:02:40,830 weekly. 935 01:02:41,310 --> 01:02:44,190 Oh, okay. I like Windows weekly. Yeah. 936 01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:50,640 But the context of this is they're talking about why 937 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:56,370 companies don't do things that are best for their users. So 938 01:02:56,370 --> 01:02:59,970 this is this is good and context of all of this stuff. Retama, 939 01:02:59,970 --> 01:03:08,160 YouTube and everything. And what, why don't businesses just 940 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:13,380 and this is specifically in the context of why windows 11 does 941 01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:19,860 not allow an easy way to switch your default browser. And why 942 01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:24,840 they keep junking up the built in Edge browser chunking it up 943 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,390 with a bunch of crap nobody wants, right? Which all it does 944 01:03:27,390 --> 01:03:30,210 is self serve them by putting more bang stuff in front of your 945 01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:30,390 face. 946 01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:34,380 Yeah, until you register more and add more and buy more. 947 01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:38,100 Yeah, so this, they're talking about what you know, what's good 948 01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:39,630 for business are good for the listener. 949 01:03:40,830 --> 01:03:44,130 Getting, you know, getting out of the way of all the times, you 950 01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:46,950 know, get let the content shine through. It's about the content, 951 01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:50,430 not the chrome or blah, blah, blah. And now there's like 118 952 01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:52,830 built in features in edge. And it's like, yeah, now what's it 953 01:03:52,830 --> 01:03:56,580 about your icon? Like? It's, well, that's all just want to go 954 01:03:56,580 --> 01:03:59,160 to the sites they go to? They don't want your nonsense for 955 01:03:59,190 --> 01:04:00,120 collecting Welcome 956 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,040 to capitalism. You know, that's in a nutshell. What's wrong with 957 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:09,600 computing, in general, is that instead of doing what the best 958 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,900 for the users and the customers, they do, what's good for 959 01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,530 business? And it's this tension, how far can we push? What's good 960 01:04:16,530 --> 01:04:19,860 for our business without pushing away customers, but it's always 961 01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:21,930 gonna be for what's good for the business? 962 01:04:22,889 --> 01:04:24,659 Yes, no, of course. 963 01:04:24,899 --> 01:04:29,939 Yeah, that's, that's it. And it's funny because if there's 964 01:04:29,939 --> 01:04:33,329 no, if there's no cliche about this, then there ought to be one 965 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:39,929 that people kind of people are like, free market in their 20s. 966 01:04:39,929 --> 01:04:43,229 And they get maybe they get more socialist as they get older. Or 967 01:04:43,229 --> 01:04:47,429 maybe it's via the other way around. The other way around. It 968 01:04:47,429 --> 01:04:48,779 was one or the other, but, 969 01:04:49,139 --> 01:04:56,039 but there's something new going on here. And and it's this 970 01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:58,859 project in particular, that is new and I'm I'm just going to 971 01:04:58,859 --> 01:05:03,689 say that it is My belief that because there is a common bond 972 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:12,509 of value for value where anybody from the person doing chapters, 973 01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:16,169 even some people who comment, you know, we have value splits 974 01:05:16,169 --> 01:05:21,839 for all kinds of people across the board to app developers. 975 01:05:22,769 --> 01:05:24,809 There's, you know, there's interest from everybody somehow 976 01:05:24,809 --> 01:05:29,279 I think that's the common bond. Whereas it's, it's capitalism or 977 01:05:29,279 --> 01:05:35,969 its capital, its has capitalist ideals, but in a very, for me, 978 01:05:35,969 --> 01:05:42,599 novel way. Does that make sense? Yeah, I think so. I think that's 979 01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:45,899 the difference with our project. Because you're right. I mean, if 980 01:05:45,899 --> 01:05:49,049 we, if we went on got $100 million, not hard to do, by the 981 01:05:49,049 --> 01:05:53,759 way, it would have sucked, I mean, it would have fired you. 982 01:05:53,759 --> 01:05:56,819 And I would have been so unhappy, I'll tell you that. I 983 01:05:56,819 --> 01:05:59,159 think I told you that in the beginning, let's not be unhappy. 984 01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:00,809 Let's do this, do it this way. 985 01:06:01,469 --> 01:06:04,649 And we'll play play clip to computing would 986 01:06:04,650 --> 01:06:09,660 be so different. In a world where companies just said, you 987 01:06:09,660 --> 01:06:13,320 know, Jeff Bezos is false mantra, you know, customer 988 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,440 centric. If they just said, Look, we're just going to do 989 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:21,540 what's right for the customer every single time. I think it 990 01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:23,250 would be a different experience such 991 01:06:23,249 --> 01:06:25,109 a good story, because they all do say that. 992 01:06:25,290 --> 01:06:29,220 Yeah, they don't lie. Yeah. Because I mean, for instance, 993 01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:31,950 messaging, a unified all messaging would talk to all 994 01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:32,730 other message. Yeah. 995 01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:36,870 It's better for Apple's customers all messaging is not 996 01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:40,410 unique. No one uses Apple products, has friends that don't 997 01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:41,340 use Apple products. 998 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:45,330 So why would you ever crazy? How can you? Droid why would you 999 01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:49,800 ever say it's? So I mean, there is this kind of, and it's 1000 01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:53,910 completely bogus, you utopian vision. But there's this kind of 1001 01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:57,660 notion of and, and you know why it persists is because people 1002 01:06:57,660 --> 01:07:00,870 like you and me, Paul are old enough to remember a day when 1003 01:07:00,870 --> 01:07:04,260 computing was a hobbyist thing, not a business thing. It didn't 1004 01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:07,110 last very long. But at that, at that point was very exciting and 1005 01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:10,020 interesting. And you felt like, you know, we were working 1006 01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:13,560 together. And and then you know, AOL came along? 1007 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,900 Yeah. Okay. That's the first thing. We just talked about the 1008 01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,050 hypocritical nature of Mr. Laporte here. Yes. Trying to 1009 01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:22,620 avoid that, now that now you can avoid that. I mean, he literally 1010 01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:26,880 has named his studio after a software package and will and is 1011 01:07:26,910 --> 01:07:30,870 unable to talk about anything else. I mean, so it's completely 1012 01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:33,660 hypocritical, what he's saying here, especially for someone 1013 01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:37,140 who's supposed to be giving independent technology, review 1014 01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:48,630 reviews and news, etc. So the Yeah, it will. Well, the analogy 1015 01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:53,550 was good, though. Yeah. Because Apple computers. And I think we 1016 01:07:53,550 --> 01:07:56,070 could if I've never looked at it this way, but you could probably 1017 01:07:56,070 --> 01:08:01,980 map it. They have two types of audiences, consumers and 1018 01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:06,270 creators. And we have the same, we have listeners and 1019 01:08:06,270 --> 01:08:10,650 podcasters. And how to the, the Holy Grail, of course, is to 1020 01:08:10,650 --> 01:08:14,760 have those two, interact, I think Apple tries to capture 1021 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:20,700 everybody in the ecosystem. And we tried to create protocols and 1022 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:24,870 standards that allow that to happen, such as comments and 1023 01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:29,520 booster grams and this kind of stuff. But it but we do, also, 1024 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,820 it's very challenging. And I think you can often see, when 1025 01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:38,070 the creation side of the dev team with an apple is much more 1026 01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:40,680 ahead of everything else. And they're kind of driving the 1027 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:45,570 innovation, versus when they did Final Cut Pro 10. And they 1028 01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:48,930 fucked it all up. So there was someone else was focusing on 1029 01:08:48,930 --> 01:08:52,170 something, or, you know, Apple Maps, when it first came out the 1030 01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:55,350 new iOS maps, which was a disaster, you know, these are 1031 01:08:55,350 --> 01:08:58,200 not typical Apple things. So maybe they were focusing more on 1032 01:08:58,470 --> 01:09:01,620 on the Creator side. So I think that that may be very difficult. 1033 01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:04,530 It's hard also for an app developer to think that way for 1034 01:09:04,530 --> 01:09:05,520 anybody really. 1035 01:09:06,150 --> 01:09:11,760 But when when he was talking in Chem, making me think is like, 1036 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,360 why, why about this tension between doing what's best for 1037 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,110 your business or doing what's best for the customer? And this 1038 01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:25,470 sort of balancing act and going back and forth? Maybe, and this 1039 01:09:25,470 --> 01:09:29,850 goes back to podcasting. 2.0 Since this, this sort of, little 1040 01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:34,620 bit of a theme of of, of episode is, these is reviewing 1041 01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:40,950 ourselves, and looking at these criticism. Maybe the answer is 1042 01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:44,490 what we're is what we're actually already the position 1043 01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:48,630 we're already in. We don't have any customers. Maybe the answer 1044 01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:52,830 to doing what's best for customers is not to have any 1045 01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:53,550 customers. 1046 01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:56,550 Well, that's the best kind of business of always. I've always 1047 01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:59,010 said we'd have so much fun in the organization if we didn't 1048 01:09:59,010 --> 01:09:59,970 have any customers. 1049 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:05,129 What if we kind of don't? This is true the podcasting 2.0 1050 01:10:05,129 --> 01:10:10,199 project doesn't have any customers to please. What we 1051 01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:19,349 have is a vision to satisfy. Now it means it means that we don't 1052 01:10:19,379 --> 01:10:22,559 it means that nobody's gonna get you know, any money off of this, 1053 01:10:22,559 --> 01:10:27,899 but at the same time, that's, that's okay. I mean, like, look 1054 01:10:27,899 --> 01:10:33,059 at look at the, you know, early. He's a pining about the early 1055 01:10:33,059 --> 01:10:35,729 days or nostalgic for the early days of the Internet and 1056 01:10:35,729 --> 01:10:37,859 computing. They those guys didn't make any money either. 1057 01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:43,710 Yeah, but let's just let's just app developers, I would wager 1058 01:10:43,710 --> 01:10:46,200 who are doing this now or making more money than they made 1059 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:52,230 previously. Which might zero. It might have been some 1060 01:10:52,230 --> 01:10:55,980 subscriptions on the App Store. But out of the gate, out of the 1061 01:10:55,980 --> 01:11:00,510 gate, you can start earning pennies. It's pennies, but out 1062 01:11:00,510 --> 01:11:06,780 of the gate. That's unheard of. All right, let's just 1063 01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:12,720 put some, yes, let's envision a world Okay, envision a world 1064 01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:17,640 that, let's just say five, 710 years from now, who knows when 1065 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:24,660 it is envision this future world where lightning has become boom, 1066 01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:29,190 the underlying base protocol for payments on the internet? Let's 1067 01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:33,240 just imagine that this works out. Lightning is lightning is 1068 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:40,680 the thing. Lots of payment processors begin to do it. I 1069 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,610 mean, there's this is already happening. Imagine the feature 1070 01:11:44,610 --> 01:11:50,700 let's do it looks like this. And then at some point of critical 1071 01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:55,590 mass in the future, when that begins to happen. Oh, big 1072 01:11:55,590 --> 01:12:00,750 players begin to get into this. And then the podcast index, the 1073 01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:06,330 smoke, all of us now we're all we're all crushed. I mean, that 1074 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:06,570 will 1075 01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:09,720 be how it how it happens. What do you mean? Crushed? In what 1076 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,140 way? 1077 01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:15,930 I mean, some some big player will come in and say like a 1078 01:12:15,930 --> 01:12:19,740 YouTube or something is oh, we'll just suck up all the all 1079 01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:22,560 the all the data and like, okay, we're you know, we're gonna 1080 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,320 Oh, you know what? I disagree. But 1081 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:30,540 okay. Me. But I guess in that world, the tech, what I'm, what 1082 01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:35,220 I'm trying to get at is the tech itself would survive. And people 1083 01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:40,500 could still Oh, yeah. Make him make the system work and make 1084 01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:43,110 money independently through the apps. I would 1085 01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:46,020 love nothing more than someone to set up a complete competing 1086 01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:49,650 podcast index. I'm not sure what they would compete with. 1087 01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:53,190 But I'd be interesting to see your customers. We have zero 1088 01:12:53,190 --> 01:12:53,850 customers. No, 1089 01:12:53,850 --> 01:12:56,190 ma'am. He's like, What are you gonna do different? You know, 1090 01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:59,430 it's like, okay, yeah, maybe? Yeah. 1091 01:12:59,580 --> 01:13:04,470 But I guess what I mean, is like the tech to tech out lives, the 1092 01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:10,200 crush stage. And then that goes back to the value of ray that, 1093 01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:15,030 you know, would the 1000 true fans still make money even if 1094 01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:20,370 some behemoth is also making money? I see recurring. Yeah. 1095 01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:23,610 Versus the current scheme where if the behemoth makes money, 1096 01:13:23,610 --> 01:13:24,030 nobody 1097 01:13:24,030 --> 01:13:27,540 nobody else makes money. Yes. Yeah. You produce everything you 1098 01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:28,140 get nothing. 1099 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,460 Yes. The Silicon Valley Way. Yeah, you do all the work is 1100 01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:32,730 really 1101 01:13:32,730 --> 01:13:37,380 good. And we and by the way, we own it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So 1102 01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:43,260 yeah, it's, I mean, there's I was talking to Dvorak about 1103 01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:45,750 this. I said, you know, they're trying to capture everything. 1104 01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:49,140 You know, Hollywood is throwing the big the big parties the big 1105 01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:53,370 awards. You know, look look who's who can afford to market 1106 01:13:53,370 --> 01:13:56,160 Listen, it's what that's what you do. That's what award shows 1107 01:13:56,190 --> 01:14:00,630 for that's why I'm against them. And and then to add insult to 1108 01:14:00,660 --> 01:14:10,140 injury, you get the the the board was that the the podcast 1109 01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:13,650 Academy board? Well, they've they've made some rules. And 1110 01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:19,740 yes, the the makeup of the board has to be at minimum 40% indie. 1111 01:14:20,130 --> 01:14:26,310 Now, I'm like, click. How insulting is that? Yeah, first 1112 01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:31,770 of all, I hate the term indie. But okay. And 40% I mean, I 1113 01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:34,740 don't get it. I do is because the Indies got no money. They're 1114 01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:40,050 not paying any dues. They're not sponsoring awards. It's also 1115 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,710 obvious that don't fall for the trap. 1116 01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,620 About about this one. I like what the podcast index is trying 1117 01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:52,170 to do. But it's still seems a bit complicated for the average 1118 01:14:52,170 --> 01:14:57,090 user feels very command line to me rather than a friendly GUI. I 1119 01:14:57,090 --> 01:14:58,110 think that's fair. That's 1120 01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:01,860 interesting. Well, I know it All these criticisms are completely 1121 01:15:01,860 --> 01:15:06,660 valid. Absolutely. It makes no sense. I mean, right. And that's 1122 01:15:06,660 --> 01:15:12,240 why we've been promoting apps. And I rarely say go to podcast 1123 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,540 index.org. Unless it's, you know, to click on the docs or 1124 01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:19,230 something like that. I mean, value. My value for value 1125 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:23,610 overview isn't even linked from from the website. Yeah, it's 1126 01:15:23,610 --> 01:15:24,720 literally not linked. 1127 01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:28,290 The podcast index.org site is not really for. It's not really 1128 01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:32,370 for normies. I mean, though, it can it can I guess it kinda is. 1129 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,270 I mean, you could search it 1130 01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:36,090 was It wasn't intended that way. But it's, it has, it's an 1131 01:15:36,090 --> 01:15:40,110 identity crisis with this, this tool will be fixed. Everything 1132 01:15:40,110 --> 01:15:44,310 takes some time. But it's not killing us. It's not ruining 1133 01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:49,740 anything. And I vehemently disagree that any perception of 1134 01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:53,280 me being a money grubbing whore, ruins anything. I also don't 1135 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,150 think that's true. 1136 01:15:54,690 --> 01:15:57,900 No, and I don't know there. That's what I said the other 1137 01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:00,300 day. I mean, there's like, you've been in the public acids, 1138 01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:02,730 you're 19 years old, there's gonna you're gonna have enemies 1139 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,820 and they're gonna be vocal, and he can't You can't get around. 1140 01:16:05,850 --> 01:16:09,030 Well, the enemy seems to be crypto or Bitcoin, not me. 1141 01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:13,410 Crypto, crypto, and Bitcoin seems to be the enemy. That's 1142 01:16:13,410 --> 01:16:14,850 what people are complaining about? 1143 01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:18,540 Well, we'll just we'll just, we'll just get all the Bitcoin 1144 01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:21,840 people together, get them all to change to proof of stake and 1145 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:22,500 it's all fixed. 1146 01:16:24,330 --> 01:16:28,800 Done. And, you know, and that's not to be this one other thing. 1147 01:16:29,490 --> 01:16:32,910 There's a community that has grabbed on to our apps and our 1148 01:16:32,910 --> 01:16:38,820 services. You may not agree with Bitcoin, you may not agree with 1149 01:16:38,850 --> 01:16:41,880 with what they're talking about, but they're using our stuff. 1150 01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:49,290 Now, when it comes apps, I mean, I I had a really enjoyable time 1151 01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:55,050 listening to the the Linux Journal to Linux unplugged I 1152 01:16:55,050 --> 01:17:00,090 guess it is, Oh, yeah. Oh, man. It's like, it's one of the few 1153 01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,570 outside podcasts outside of our kind of group of people. I know, 1154 01:17:03,570 --> 01:17:06,060 because I listened to him. But they're they really they're 1155 01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:09,990 really serious about value for value. And they they fill out a 1156 01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:11,790 lot of 2.0 tags. 1157 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,900 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're they've they've really adopted 1158 01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:20,520 the full the full thing. And I think it's because it's because 1159 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,390 they're concerned about the future of the podcast industry 1160 01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:27,630 as we know it. I mean, there are there are, there is a real 1161 01:17:27,630 --> 01:17:31,260 concern that in independent podcasters 1162 01:17:33,390 --> 01:17:36,030 Yeah, it'll be either it'll be assimilate with the board or 1163 01:17:36,030 --> 01:17:40,170 die, you know. Mm hmm. So DeVore Aqua saying they can't do it. 1164 01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:44,460 You guys already broke that. And I didn't ask him to expand, but 1165 01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:45,660 I think he thought about it. 1166 01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:52,230 Let's go so kind of proud. Yeah. No, I mean, that's, that's, 1167 01:17:52,410 --> 01:17:53,610 we've crossed the Rubicon 1168 01:17:54,090 --> 01:17:56,220 as far as we really have. Yeah, we really? 1169 01:17:58,710 --> 01:18:00,150 Do we want to thank some people. Yes, 1170 01:18:00,150 --> 01:18:01,380 I think that's a good idea. 1171 01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:03,180 You gotta get some sleep brother. 1172 01:18:03,330 --> 01:18:08,550 Night, I got four hours of best have to spin off. Dad, you know, 1173 01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:10,410 this way to keep telling teenagers like it's rock and 1174 01:18:10,410 --> 01:18:13,920 roll man, what happened to you? Come on, we got a show in 1175 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,220 Philly, get on the bus, we got some coke to do. On the way 1176 01:18:17,220 --> 01:18:18,150 there. Let's go, 1177 01:18:18,180 --> 01:18:19,680 let's go where the girls. 1178 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,480 Yes value for value, the entire project is value for value, 1179 01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:27,240 think we've been very clear why and how that works. And we need 1180 01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,790 as much help as we can get. And you can do that in many 1181 01:18:29,790 --> 01:18:32,670 different ways. As long as it still works. We of course, 1182 01:18:32,670 --> 01:18:36,360 appreciate your pay pal Fiat fund coupons. It's an easy way 1183 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,110 to set up recurring donations. And we have a lot of those 1184 01:18:40,110 --> 01:18:44,460 that's a lot we have, we have some even $5 a month makes a big 1185 01:18:44,460 --> 01:18:47,190 difference sauce. That's a that's a server that does very 1186 01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:51,150 specific tasks. But the beauty of the value for value model is 1187 01:18:51,150 --> 01:18:55,320 you can put anything down whatever the value is to you. 1188 01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,580 And that's what makes it so, so appropriate for exactly what 1189 01:18:59,580 --> 01:19:03,330 we're doing it. Some people may not value this and I don't even 1190 01:19:03,330 --> 01:19:05,850 know why you're listening. And if you are, it's got to be 1191 01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:08,850 you've got at least been entertained, informed, or 1192 01:19:08,850 --> 01:19:14,070 annoyed. We we love hate boosts. So you can do that with a modern 1193 01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:18,900 podcast app, new podcast apps.com. Or you can also go to 1194 01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:21,450 podcast index.org. So you can find the donate button at the 1195 01:19:21,450 --> 01:19:27,000 bottom along with a QR code for tally coin to send us some on 1196 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,040 chain Satoshis 1197 01:19:30,210 --> 01:19:35,070 I just like the word on chain. This sounds like a metal band. 1198 01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:38,190 On chain. Yeah. 1199 01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:40,440 Hello, Philadelphia. 1200 01:19:41,370 --> 01:19:50,190 We just got off the bus. Meet our girls. Yo yo, do we thank 1201 01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:50,700 him today, 1202 01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:57,900 sir Shaun of the Allegheny Valley 1000 SATs. Let's see. He 1203 01:19:57,900 --> 01:19:58,890 says first boost 1204 01:19:58,950 --> 01:20:01,530 go Welcome to the club. 1205 01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,080 I just, I just did a boost dump. 1206 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,310 Email. This is a new term a boost dump. 1207 01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:12,660 Yeah. Like, I run the script, I give it a time code of the last 1208 01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:15,390 show. And then it just gives me every boost that happens since 1209 01:20:15,390 --> 01:20:18,210 that time code. It just goes boop, boop, boop boop boop, it 1210 01:20:18,210 --> 01:20:21,270 just pops all into my email. So this is this is I just did 1211 01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:23,790 it. It's, it's, it's quite a deluge. 1212 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,320 Yes. So I'm getting I'm doing this in real time. Oh, well, 1213 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,810 let's do pen pals for okay. We're getting we're getting out. 1214 01:20:30,810 --> 01:20:35,880 Yeah. Dred Scott $15. And these, this is a monthly. Thank you. 1215 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:40,500 Thank you drip is a little out of order because of the nature 1216 01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:44,190 of things but Jeff Miller $20 That's a monthly Thank you, 1217 01:20:44,190 --> 01:20:51,120 Jeff. Very much appreciated. Michael Kimmer $5.33 He's long. 1218 01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:55,320 Been monthly for a long time. Lesley Martin $2. Thank you, 1219 01:20:55,320 --> 01:21:02,040 Leslie. See Pedro gon. calvus. Also longtime for $5. Very long. 1220 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:09,510 Thank you. Yep. Aaron Reno. $5 as a monthly and the last one. 1221 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,300 Oh, this was a single, not a monthly $10. No note from Jesse 1222 01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:18,870 Hunter. Thank you, Jessie. You're very much. Yes, those are 1223 01:21:18,989 --> 01:21:20,249 those are all our monthly fees. 1224 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,730 Those are monthly. Yeah. Those are the monthly they hit this 1225 01:21:23,730 --> 01:21:30,180 week and then one new like one time. Okay. donation in the 1226 01:21:30,180 --> 01:21:36,270 restroom boosts. See? This is where it gets confusing is to 1227 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:40,170 figure out when they originally came in. I think some of these 1228 01:21:40,170 --> 01:21:45,060 may have been live last week. But there was a 3333 from cotton 1229 01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:48,990 Janee said we're lit I don't think I heard you 1230 01:21:49,890 --> 01:21:53,280 know I don't think so. Well This of course was lit in in context 1231 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,930 of the live item tag when your podcast goes lit we're not live 1232 01:21:57,930 --> 01:22:00,060 this time we know thank God 1233 01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:09,750 let's see. Oh David made us 3369 there Curio Castro and he says 1234 01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:11,730 I'm doing my duty and boost for humanity. 1235 01:22:13,230 --> 01:22:14,340 Thank you very much. 1236 01:22:15,420 --> 01:22:22,140 Boost see oh, yeah, we did we read this one about from Sir 1237 01:22:22,140 --> 01:22:28,320 Spencer about the Bitcoin block party in Kansas City. Abel, Abel 1238 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,620 Kirby and I will be evangelizing podcasting 2.0 and other digital 1239 01:22:31,620 --> 01:22:35,070 content over value for value at the KC Bitcoin block 1240 01:22:35,070 --> 01:22:36,810 party. Yes. Yeah, we did. We did. 1241 01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:40,980 It's Westport, Kansas. Kansas City. Cool. Yeah, 1242 01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:43,170 very cool. On April the 24th. 1243 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:51,600 Is that once we did that one came into thanks again day for 1244 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,980 swapping our feed to the new one. We already do that. They 1245 01:22:55,980 --> 01:23:01,530 don't see these. The timestamps get funky on these because they 1246 01:23:01,530 --> 01:23:04,440 don't really match up because I know, you 1247 01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,380 know, there's this really cool tool called heli pad and it 1248 01:23:07,380 --> 01:23:11,850 doesn't export in Excel. Have you heard of it? You can run it 1249 01:23:11,850 --> 01:23:12,630 on your Umbral. 1250 01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:19,560 I've not heard of that. I'll look into it. Harv had 5000 SATs 1251 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,110 through courier caster and he says tipping gets lower wages 1252 01:23:22,110 --> 01:23:25,140 for waiters and waitresses across the USA even still today. 1253 01:23:25,230 --> 01:23:32,010 That's right. That's right. whooshed. Chris, you know, gave 1254 01:23:32,010 --> 01:23:34,920 us 1000 SATs through fountain and he says a great example here 1255 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,370 is tipping the dealer in poker. You only tip just after you want 1256 01:23:38,370 --> 01:23:42,000 a hand which greatly increases the size of the tips as you're 1257 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,760 in good in a good mood while deciding how much to tip. 1258 01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:47,910 Yes, this was part of our value for value conversation 1259 01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:51,810 about timing and bringing, bringing the donation into the 1260 01:23:51,810 --> 01:23:55,260 into the actual experience. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a good 1261 01:23:55,260 --> 01:24:00,690 point. Mint lion. This is a new one. I've not heard this name 1262 01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:10,230 before. Row ducks. 2222 Oh, all right. Thank you Drew Brees and 1263 01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:13,440 he says Jonathan Edwards better watches bag Dr. Dave is gunning 1264 01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,650 for that top American philosopher spot. Mere Mortals 1265 01:24:16,650 --> 01:24:18,420 book reviews. Okay. 1266 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,030 With ease. See? 1267 01:24:22,170 --> 01:24:26,910 Oh, this might be our this might be the baller. Look through the 1268 01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:33,270 list here. Yeah, yes. Baller booster here. 77 777 Whoa, 1269 01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:35,730 hold on a second. Who is this? Steve 1270 01:24:35,730 --> 01:24:37,410 Webb podcaster. 1271 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:42,420 Shot Carla 20 is Blaze own I am Paula g god caster 1272 01:24:42,780 --> 01:24:46,080 OG God. Kastri says Steve gave that through fountain and he 1273 01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,320 says as an OG podcaster. I completely agree with you, Adam. 1274 01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:52,620 Comments booster grams should be separated in my opinion. There's 1275 01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:55,890 an assumption that booster grams are directed to the podcaster 1276 01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:59,100 not the public. Just my two cents. I have received booster 1277 01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:01,860 grants that I know would not have been sent had the sender 1278 01:25:01,860 --> 01:25:05,100 thought they would become public. Right Lifespring family 1279 01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:11,550 Audio Bible at at audio Bible dot link where we are reading 1280 01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:14,220 through the entire Bible in one year join us. 1281 01:25:14,670 --> 01:25:17,460 I've actually listened to a couple episodes. Well of course 1282 01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:20,910 I've listened to two episodes many many times, but I recently 1283 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:25,680 started listening. He's got a great voice. He does. I thought 1284 01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,170 he was a pastor, but he's not just 1285 01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:32,010 just a podcaster just God caster, just God caster. Thank 1286 01:25:32,010 --> 01:25:39,690 you, Steve. Appreciate that. Sir Brian of London. He says, 1287 01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,740 Let me guess. 1948 And he said I see a button. 1288 01:25:44,940 --> 01:25:52,170 I saw it and he pushed it. Thanks, bro. Let's see. Roy Roy 1289 01:25:52,170 --> 01:25:55,620 Schonfeld. 54321 Who 1290 01:25:55,650 --> 01:25:59,520 Roy Thank you, brother. Does he have a note? 1291 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,180 Answer through breezy says Adam. You're an inspiration heart. 1292 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,220 Oh, oh, 1293 01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:11,940 I love Roy. Oh, how you doing booster. Huh? Oh, Roy. Follow up 1294 01:26:11,940 --> 01:26:16,800 again. With 10,000 SATs. He says Dave blew my mind. Oh. 1295 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,770 Oh, he came back with a second boost. 1296 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,170 I must have blown his mind. Well, it's 1297 01:26:22,170 --> 01:26:25,200 because you laid some cool last philosophy crap on everybody. 1298 01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,670 Brother that was hardcore. Stick around Roy was it was deep. 1299 01:26:31,230 --> 01:26:35,280 Yep. See, Master. That's a new one. 333 SATs through fountain 1300 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,100 and he says greetings from Amsterdam. Yeah. Greetings. 1301 01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:39,240 Hello, Amsterdam. 1302 01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:41,340 Amsterdam. 1303 01:26:42,330 --> 01:26:43,830 We just got in from Philly. 1304 01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:49,890 Andy flattery. 2000 Sassy says pod father. Yes. The guy who 1305 01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:53,070 made the original stacker news post coming around coming 1306 01:26:53,070 --> 01:26:55,050 around. Sorry for all the drama. Oh. 1307 01:26:56,250 --> 01:27:00,690 You wrote the value for value is curry wrong post? Yeah, yeah, 1308 01:27:00,690 --> 01:27:02,160 yeah. Oh, that's cute. 1309 01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:04,710 Um, the guy who made the original stacker nice post. I'm 1310 01:27:04,710 --> 01:27:06,570 coming around. Sorry for all the trolls. Oh, 1311 01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:09,570 that's okay. Man know that. Hey, it got a good car. It was at 1312 01:27:09,570 --> 01:27:12,090 least 25 minutes of content. That's appreciated. 1313 01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:18,540 Totally. Yeah. Oscar, the fountain boosts are coming in 1314 01:27:18,540 --> 01:27:23,700 with the with the Unicode all messed up. We got to figure out 1315 01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:26,880 how to fix that. If you if you know about that bug, I think you 1316 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:33,540 do. Anyway. See, Thank you, Andy. Appreciate that. CASB Lind 1317 01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:40,200 1000 SATs they found an he says do what what does he say? Do a 1318 01:27:40,410 --> 01:27:46,350 gas show I'm sorry. What? Do a gasps show? I'm sorry to say 1319 01:27:46,350 --> 01:27:52,020 without Adam. next two weeks. Is this this? This seems like 1320 01:27:52,650 --> 01:27:54,750 transliterated Dutch into English. 1321 01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:57,420 Yeah, he's I guess he's saying how do I have a guest do the 1322 01:27:57,420 --> 01:27:57,840 show? 1323 01:27:59,490 --> 01:28:00,300 Oh, okay. 1324 01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:04,890 I think I think he said fuck out them in Dutch. Just bring it 1325 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,800 just bring a guest in who gives a crap about that guy. You can 1326 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,010 do it. You can do a Dave Jones. Yeah, you're the sage 1327 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:15,960 pig. This pig Dutch is with it is Dutch. Yeah. Thanks for the 1328 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,680 boots, man. Yeah, thanks cast. Oh, yeah, here it comes again. 1329 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,860 1000 says Cast painless. They found he says haha, rolling the 1330 01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:31,680 dice with the curtains closed. Okay. 1000 says from CAST 1331 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,470 peeling. Again, he says the problem with boost versus 1332 01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:37,650 comments and fountain was the default public boost. The 1333 01:28:37,650 --> 01:28:40,740 options should be default off I would think love the boost 1334 01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:47,430 segment value for value. Thank you very much. See, we get next. 1335 01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:55,170 See 2020 to 148 from Brian of London and the hive da Oh. 1336 01:28:55,770 --> 01:29:00,540 Oh, that's, that's the regular donation coming through is is 1337 01:29:00,540 --> 01:29:01,770 Transmogrifier 1338 01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:08,340 B. They see. Okay, so this is this is the the V for V app. 1339 01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:11,610 That's that's the Rube Goldberg machine. Yeah, it says a weekly 1340 01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:15,270 $10 V four v donation converted to SATs from Brian of London and 1341 01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:18,060 the hive DHF da Oh go podcasting? 1342 01:29:18,090 --> 01:29:22,590 Go podcasting? Indeed. Thank you, Brian. 1343 01:29:23,010 --> 01:29:28,440 Yeah, thanks, Brian. 49,000 SATs from Auburn Citadel to fountain. 1344 01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:32,130 He says the pod stage is living up to his name when Dave Jones 1345 01:29:32,130 --> 01:29:39,270 philosophy when the Dave Jones philosophy podcast Thank you. 1346 01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:39,630 Thank you. 1347 01:29:39,870 --> 01:29:41,850 That was nice. It would be a bombshell. 1348 01:29:42,990 --> 01:29:45,540 Oh, I got a different one. Do you see the ISO there? 1349 01:29:46,170 --> 01:29:51,930 Sure do. Let me give it a whirl. One cop Cole woke up call. I 1350 01:29:51,930 --> 01:29:53,820 like that. That's a good one. 1351 01:29:54,599 --> 01:29:59,669 See? The mozzie give us 12,345 stats. Thank you, Brian. 1352 01:29:59,999 --> 01:30:05,969 fountain and he says, boost. Oops, boost. As always, thanks 1353 01:30:05,969 --> 01:30:09,389 for the show and all the work. Is there a new SATs equivalent 1354 01:30:09,389 --> 01:30:12,389 for the podcasting 2.0 t shirt? I think it used to be like 1355 01:30:12,389 --> 01:30:16,889 200,000 SATs with the change 225 Is it now? 250 or something 1356 01:30:16,889 --> 01:30:19,379 else? I don't know. It's a moving target. Right? 1357 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,240 It is a moving target. There was a thread about this and I have 1358 01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:28,410 to say there's a couple a couple of apps I think it may be curio 1359 01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:33,150 caster was a couple of apps that that do fiyat translations. 1360 01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:37,440 That's kind of handy. I remember we talked about this at the very 1361 01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:40,080 beginning. And there was a lot of, I think, was mainly the 1362 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:44,700 Sphinx guys like not we do SATs only SATs only SATs No, no fiyat 1363 01:30:44,700 --> 01:30:49,170 numbers. I think that would actually help. It might help get 1364 01:30:49,170 --> 01:30:54,540 us more money. People people realize that 1000 SATs is you 1365 01:30:54,540 --> 01:30:59,310 know it's true it's all appreciated. And if it's just 1366 01:30:59,310 --> 01:31:00,930 for quick comment of course 1367 01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,699 well here the podcasters that make you know that are making 1368 01:31:05,699 --> 01:31:09,689 money from the from the from value value in the app. They 1369 01:31:09,689 --> 01:31:14,159 seem to talk about that of course remind them and remind 1370 01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:17,909 their listeners of the you know the correlation there and what 1371 01:31:17,909 --> 01:31:18,029 I've 1372 01:31:18,030 --> 01:31:19,980 heard I think that seems like something that I've heard 1373 01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:22,620 podcasters and listeners asked for like 1374 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:29,700 just decide the website USD sat.com That is a really I mean 1375 01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:32,610 that just tells you straight up what the current conversion is. 1376 01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,680 Yeah, thanks. Thanks very much. I'm not sure what it's just a 1377 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,920 moving target. Yeah and the extra costs is just because we 1378 01:31:41,010 --> 01:31:43,530 they're nicer T shirts now and that the fulfillment cost more. 1379 01:31:43,890 --> 01:31:51,720 Yeah. See Thank you Ed jaunty Ms. At road ducks 2222 They 1380 01:31:51,720 --> 01:32:00,660 breeze. Thank you very much. He says now with 128 characters 1381 01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:05,640 I'm breeze That's right. 1382 01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:09,960 That's right. Dred Scott godson as 1000 says as a test I don't 1383 01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,880 know what he's testing but appreciate that test. 1384 01:32:15,570 --> 01:32:18,660 That's a test. He's probably testing his own thing. Hey, man, 1385 01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:22,710 let me see if I get my SATs. That's I do that all the time. 1386 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,670 Hey, there I haven't no sat no boost since for three hours. Let 1387 01:32:26,670 --> 01:32:29,190 me just boost let me I'm worried Let me test boost. 1388 01:32:30,899 --> 01:32:34,319 Here's some stats for all your SE. Oh, this is from Jordan 1389 01:32:34,319 --> 01:32:39,029 Harding. Another new name, but not new boosters lately. 5000 1390 01:32:39,029 --> 01:32:41,819 SATs they found and he says here's some stats for all of 1391 01:32:41,819 --> 01:32:43,499 your genius Dave. Oh, wow. 1392 01:32:44,430 --> 01:32:45,420 Yay. 1393 01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:56,609 See? Thank you. Nicholas. Be 58 Okay, through fountain 2100 SATs 1394 01:32:56,609 --> 01:33:03,209 and he says do not just stand there. Boost. Boost. Great 1395 01:33:03,209 --> 01:33:05,879 episode. I love what you're doing. Keep it up for a better 1396 01:33:05,879 --> 01:33:10,019 future. Oh, thank you. Thank you. That's a great note. Got 1397 01:33:10,019 --> 01:33:16,109 two more. Wait no, no, we've got Yeah, got three more. I'm sorry. 1398 01:33:16,979 --> 01:33:19,949 Oh, you know what's messing me up here is we're doing it a day 1399 01:33:19,949 --> 01:33:22,589 early. So there's no CSB. I was looking at you know, 1400 01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:26,700 it's funny you say that because I wrote down that this in CSV 1401 01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:31,830 probably doesn't know that we're that we're recording right now. 1402 01:33:31,860 --> 01:33:34,650 I was going to give him a freebie and say remember to 1403 01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:41,580 listen to AI cooking with pub owner and poet laureate noble. 1404 01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:45,390 Somebody some force? 1405 01:33:45,450 --> 01:33:54,060 Well, yes, exactly. Dynamite. Yes. It's a great pot. Yo. By 1406 01:33:54,060 --> 01:33:59,190 the way, the recall value of value for value advertising is 1407 01:33:59,190 --> 01:34:03,030 off the charts, man. Everybody knows the ads. They can recall 1408 01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:03,990 him like crazy. 1409 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,230 Dr. Dub gave us 10,000 sets. We're talking this is nice. 1410 01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:15,330 Yeah. You found and he said in his message is Dr. dub, dub. 1411 01:34:16,020 --> 01:34:20,160 Like get stuff from the shameless self promotion. boost 1412 01:34:20,970 --> 01:34:27,630 up. Pot. Podcasting legend Dave Jackson 10,000 SATs. medic. He 1413 01:34:27,630 --> 01:34:30,690 says love the philosophy talk from Professor Jones go 1414 01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:32,340 podcasting podcast. 1415 01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:36,750 I think we need to have more of that. David. You're a big hit. 1416 01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,830 Yeah, clearly kid with the boosters and driving boosts your 1417 01:34:40,830 --> 01:34:41,940 breakout booster hit 1418 01:34:43,950 --> 01:34:49,140 top of the charts. Kevin Bay 500 sets to fountain and he says 1419 01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:51,540 trying to catch up on what's going on and thoroughly enjoying 1420 01:34:51,540 --> 01:34:56,400 the conversation with Gigi. Keep up the great work. And that's 1421 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,450 it. That's our group. 1422 01:34:57,930 --> 01:35:01,110 Very good group. Thank you all so much. much for supporting 1423 01:35:01,110 --> 01:35:04,230 podcasts in 2.0 If no one ever questions if this value for 1424 01:35:04,230 --> 01:35:10,710 value thing works, I don't know you're soaking in it maj I'm 1425 01:35:10,710 --> 01:35:14,010 just saying it seems to keep the project alive. 1426 01:35:14,309 --> 01:35:16,139 Yes. Philosophy podcast. 1427 01:35:17,550 --> 01:35:22,080 Value for value philosophy podcast with Dave Jones. I want 1428 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,130 to do all the imaging for 1429 01:35:23,130 --> 01:35:28,770 you. But speaking of philosophy, a buddy of mine, Jordan Peterson 1430 01:35:28,770 --> 01:35:33,210 was here in town in Birmingham. Oh, this right here. Yeah, and, 1431 01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:37,620 and a friend of mine went and saw him and said it was just 1432 01:35:37,620 --> 01:35:41,310 horrible breeze. It was awful. Yeah. He said the tickets were 1433 01:35:41,310 --> 01:35:48,510 $150 Dying Gina number one here. And he said it was like a little 1434 01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:52,380 bit of Jordan Peterson and then just some other person. Like 1435 01:35:52,380 --> 01:35:55,200 doing a whole bunch. It was almost like Jordan Peterson 1436 01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,960 presents. Jordan Peterson. You know, it was just this kind of 1437 01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,060 weird. He said it was just a terrible time. 1438 01:36:00,090 --> 01:36:02,700 That's interesting. So it wasn't really Jordan Peterson just 1439 01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:04,980 doing his podcast, which everybody loves him for? 1440 01:36:05,250 --> 01:36:09,330 Yeah, I don't think so. It's like, it seems like he may be. I 1441 01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:11,790 don't know. Reading his own news a little bit too much. Maybe. 1442 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,120 Huh. I wonder what that I'll have to look and see how the 1443 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,730 tours build. I didn't realize that he had someone else doing 1444 01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:19,620 stuff. That's interesting. He was 1445 01:36:19,620 --> 01:36:23,640 weird at just a heads up in case I mean, anybody gets a hankering 1446 01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,220 to go see him. This doesn't sound like it's worth the 1447 01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:33,510 expensive ticket. Ah, you gotta get going, bro. Man. Yeah, I 1448 01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:39,360 guess so. Gotta get moving here. Man. Yeah. So I can't even I was 1449 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:43,770 going to tell you about my idea for distributed Wikipedia. Oh, 1450 01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:51,540 yeah. Four hours later, I've just I'm just saying I got 1451 01:36:51,540 --> 01:36:55,560 ideas. But there's also so much we have to do with podcasting to 1452 01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,190 point out I'm I remain incredibly enthusiastic. The 1453 01:36:59,190 --> 01:37:03,960 YouTube news for me is it's it's really glorious because I want 1454 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:09,690 to see them do something and and the inevitable will happen. I 1455 01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:13,170 have time. I'm very, very patient. And you know, it took 1456 01:37:13,170 --> 01:37:16,890 many many years until serial brought podcasting one Dotto to 1457 01:37:16,890 --> 01:37:19,740 the forefront at the right moment. So this will happen. 1458 01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,660 This will all happen at the right time. 1459 01:37:21,930 --> 01:37:25,320 My Favorite Comment on Twitter this past week was Yeah, 1460 01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,930 remember the last time Google wanted everybody to put their 1461 01:37:27,930 --> 01:37:31,110 RSS feed into one of their products? Yeah, that turned out 1462 01:37:31,140 --> 01:37:34,290 was that Brian of London? That was it. I don't know. I don't 1463 01:37:34,290 --> 01:37:35,340 remember. It should be. 1464 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:40,170 He knows he knows. Yep. Our brother. No, you got some crazy 1465 01:37:40,170 --> 01:37:43,290 weeks coming up and the board meeting next week? We'll do once 1466 01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:47,160 I get back Friday night so we'll do a Saturday. Yeah, sounds 1467 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,190 good. I'm sure it'll be cruising along checking stuff out. You 1468 01:37:50,190 --> 01:37:53,370 know, make sure you kick me off the social when I'm posting too 1469 01:37:53,370 --> 01:37:54,330 much from vacation. 1470 01:37:55,140 --> 01:37:57,690 Oh, no. Yeah, if you if you start to break protocol, I'm 1471 01:37:57,690 --> 01:37:59,340 gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna smack you down. 1472 01:37:59,399 --> 01:38:02,129 Okay. All right, brother. Get home to your family. Get out of 1473 01:38:02,129 --> 01:38:05,069 that office. Yeah, man. On the way out. Could you check the 1474 01:38:05,069 --> 01:38:06,179 print spooler for me? 1475 01:38:06,540 --> 01:38:09,000 No, she has taken the fridge 1476 01:38:11,340 --> 01:38:14,010 that's it. Everybody, podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back 1477 01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:32,700 next week. Join us have a great weekend. You have been listening 1478 01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:38,850 to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast. For more information. 1479 01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:41,610 Cool, woke 1480 01:38:41,610 --> 01:38:42,540 up cool.