Episode 80: Wheels Up

100:00:00,599 --> 00:00:07,019podcasting 2.0 For April 1 2020to Episode 79 We got wheels up200:00:09,779 --> 00:00:11,819throw in some aviationterminology and make it300:00:11,819 --> 00:00:14,759interesting. Hello everybody,welcome to the official board400:00:14,759 --> 00:00:17,849meeting of podcasting. 2.0everything happening at podcast500:00:17,849 --> 00:00:21,869index.org the podcast namespaceand of course everything that600:00:21,869 --> 00:00:26,189goes on all the creative goo andjuices podcasts index dot700:00:26,189 --> 00:00:29,249social. I'm Adam curry here inthe heart of the Texas Hill800:00:29,249 --> 00:00:32,639Country and an Alabama if youwant to talk regex he's your man900:00:32,639 --> 00:00:36,239my friend on the other endladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave1000:00:36,269 --> 00:00:37,739Jones,1100:00:38,070 --> 00:00:42,240or glass glass is also somethingI can talk about the glass.1200:00:42,900 --> 00:00:46,500Did I miss his glass yet anotherdatabase search organization1300:00:46,500 --> 00:00:47,040function?1400:00:47,399 --> 00:00:53,069No, it's the thing. It's likesomething. Yes, it is that yes.1500:00:53,129 --> 00:00:56,939Yeah. But it's also the thingthat attracts children for miles1600:00:56,939 --> 00:01:01,109around a broken glass. Wheneveryou drop something on the ground1700:01:01,139 --> 00:01:04,589and are on the floor, and itshatters into a million tiny1800:01:04,589 --> 00:01:10,139little feet slicing fragmentsYeah, it just somehow attracts1900:01:10,139 --> 00:01:14,339children they love it they runand want to look at it. And2000:01:14,369 --> 00:01:16,859that's the you know the thing asa as a parent you don't want to2100:01:16,859 --> 00:01:20,759happen is immediately whathappens it's like it's like2200:01:20,759 --> 00:01:23,399zombies and brains you knowbrains out there the zombies2300:01:23,399 --> 00:01:25,049just flocked to it you know it'sa2400:01:25,050 --> 00:01:27,570metaphor for something I'mmissing is there so2500:01:27,690 --> 00:01:29,610what happened is I left thehouse today.2600:01:30,180 --> 00:01:32,370Oh my goodness. Oh, whathappened?2700:01:32,700 --> 00:01:36,720On my way out I walked throughthe living room I started the2800:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,590cat get startled. The cat balesoff the off the dining room2900:01:40,590 --> 00:01:45,870table knocks the this candle offwith this with the glass base3000:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,730shatters all over the groundwill then my 11 year old job you3100:01:50,730 --> 00:01:53,250know jumps up runs around thetable and Amelie wants to see3200:01:53,250 --> 00:01:53,370it.3300:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,050Yay cool glass.3400:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,910what always happens every parentknows this you just want to you3500:01:59,910 --> 00:02:01,980want your kids to come in yourlittle kids come in a room3600:02:02,010 --> 00:02:02,280though.3700:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,030glass on the floor. Yeah. Ah sothis is a an extraordinary board3800:02:09,030 --> 00:02:12,570meeting. As by the time this isheard I'll probably be on an3900:02:12,570 --> 00:02:18,120airplane somewhere you will beback into tax season and I4000:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,580really appreciate you taking thetime because I know it's been4100:02:20,580 --> 00:02:23,160must be crazy for you right now.What do4200:02:23,159 --> 00:02:26,069you mean me taking the time yougotta you're you're doing this4300:02:26,069 --> 00:02:28,589at eight o'clock at night andyou got to get up at three4400:02:28,589 --> 00:02:29,309o'clock in the morning.4500:02:30,090 --> 00:02:33,720Yeah, but this is my job. Youhave a you have an actual job4600:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,250that requires a lot from you.4700:02:35,849 --> 00:02:40,199Well, last night, tornadoes inAlabama always wondering why4800:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,290not? Yes or why not? Yeah. Asnormal fare.4900:02:43,949 --> 00:02:46,919Every time every tax season. Wealso has tornado season. So5000:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,129that's great. And to two o'clockin the morning this morning. I5100:02:50,129 --> 00:02:54,569was up at the office filling upthe generator with diesel fuel.5200:02:54,869 --> 00:02:55,649No way.5300:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,520Oh, did you have a power outage?Out? Yeah. Oh, my goodness.5400:02:59,970 --> 00:03:04,890Yeah. Outlaw Like, it wasn't.There was tornadoes here. But a5500:03:04,890 --> 00:03:07,440lot of the damage and stuffhappened from the straight line.5600:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,770Like those gradient winds. Theycall them come through and it's5700:03:10,770 --> 00:03:13,260just like, you know, you can getlike 70 mile an hour wind gusts5800:03:13,260 --> 00:03:14,040Just out of nowhere.5900:03:15,419 --> 00:03:16,859Yeah, but no, no, Damn, it's6000:03:16,860 --> 00:03:17,430fun weather,6100:03:17,460 --> 00:03:18,570no damage further.6200:03:19,619 --> 00:03:22,739I think there was damage allover the state, but nothing more6300:03:22,739 --> 00:03:24,299than close to where I am.6400:03:24,780 --> 00:03:28,590Right. But then you also have abusy workday because of tax6500:03:28,590 --> 00:03:31,110season because you got nothingbut accountants and other6600:03:31,590 --> 00:03:34,770accounting tax professionalsrunning around saying I can't6700:03:34,770 --> 00:03:36,150figure out my password.6800:03:36,509 --> 00:03:39,839Yeah, little bit of that. Yeah.Password, a little bit of print.6900:03:40,079 --> 00:03:41,759A little bit of print problems.Oh, yeah.7000:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,690print spooler.7100:03:43,470 --> 00:03:44,910Server juice. Yeah.7200:03:47,580 --> 00:03:50,070Remember that is able to printspooler? Do we still have that7300:03:50,070 --> 00:03:51,480print? spooler? Oh, yeah.7400:03:53,069 --> 00:03:58,829Principle is great. Becauselike, I think it was in October7500:03:58,829 --> 00:04:02,939or September of October lastyear, there was a critical7600:04:02,939 --> 00:04:07,109vulnerability in the print foundin the way that Windows delivers7700:04:07,709 --> 00:04:11,099drivers. So in the Windowsworld, there's a thing called7800:04:11,309 --> 00:04:16,169point in print has been therefor literally since maybe NT,7900:04:16,199 --> 00:04:21,659Windows NT 3.5. Point and print.Yes, called point in print. So8000:04:21,659 --> 00:04:25,529the idea was that you wouldshare a printer out from from a8100:04:25,529 --> 00:04:28,109computer so you set up a printeron a computer then share the8200:04:28,109 --> 00:04:33,479printer to the network. And thenyou could tell the printer the8300:04:33,479 --> 00:04:35,819print the machine thatcontrolled that printer, which8400:04:35,819 --> 00:04:40,199is now effectively the printserver. You could tell them you8500:04:40,199 --> 00:04:46,019could specify on that machine, aprint driver so that what other8600:04:46,019 --> 00:04:48,899machines on the network whatthey would do is they would go8700:04:49,739 --> 00:04:55,559open up your print your computerin a member network8800:04:55,559 --> 00:04:56,969neighborhood. And yeah,8900:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,260network neighborhood. Does thatsilly This network neighborhood,9000:05:01,290 --> 00:05:03,570well, they've read, they'vechanged it, but it's effectively9100:05:03,570 --> 00:05:07,680the same thing. It's underneath.They just changed. So, like, you9200:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,710would go to Networkneighborhood, open and double9300:05:10,710 --> 00:05:13,890click on the machine that youwanted, that had the printer on9400:05:13,890 --> 00:05:17,730it, see the printer there anddouble click it, and it would9500:05:17,730 --> 00:05:21,210set it up on your machine andinstalled the driver for Yeah.9600:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,830Yeah, that's called point inprint. Well, you know, 25 years9700:05:25,830 --> 00:05:28,110later, there's a criticalvulnerability that's been in9800:05:28,110 --> 00:05:32,040there for 25 years. And9900:05:32,250 --> 00:05:35,400ransomware unpacks and justtakes over your network.10000:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,610Yeah, totally. Yes. SoMicrosoft, quote, unquote, fixed10100:05:38,610 --> 00:05:42,630it. And by fixing it, that meansthey broke all printing like10200:05:42,630 --> 00:05:47,040they've just right. So they'vespent the last literally the10300:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,360last like six or seven months,releasing patches to try to fix10400:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,360the original thing. They brokein a they break it even worse10500:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,020every time.10600:05:55,380 --> 00:06:01,410So this, this really is such asuch a testimonial for open10700:06:01,410 --> 00:06:06,330source and Linux. I mean, I'mblown away by now. I'm a Linux10800:06:06,330 --> 00:06:09,660Mint guy, but and I've triedLinux throughout my entire10900:06:09,660 --> 00:06:13,200computing, career, I guess, andprofessional career and it11000:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,080really stuck a couple of yearsago, and I've just been Linux11100:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,890Mint. And it's really astoundinghow well everything just works.11200:06:20,310 --> 00:06:21,150Just works.11300:06:22,349 --> 00:06:26,249I've, I've been on and off ofthe Linux like as my main11400:06:26,249 --> 00:06:31,769desktop train over the years.I've went in both feet, and then11500:06:31,769 --> 00:06:34,949get back out and then went backin and I keep bouncing in and11600:06:34,949 --> 00:06:35,519out. So11700:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,300are you between Mac, Mac andLinux or Windows and Linux?11800:06:40,260 --> 00:06:45,540Well, I'm after use them all.Yeah, but my main desktop at11900:06:45,540 --> 00:06:49,440home is Mac my desktop at theoffice is Windows, but I'm about12000:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,280to switch that. I've literallygot a new motherboard and I've12100:06:53,280 --> 00:06:57,330gotten new parts. Building a PCfoo, and I'm going back Linux12200:06:57,330 --> 00:06:57,780baby do12300:06:57,780 --> 00:07:02,190you have do you have a new yougotta have a power supply. Power12400:07:02,190 --> 00:07:02,790supply.12500:07:03,060 --> 00:07:05,610I've got a decent power supplyfrom my old machine. It still12600:07:05,610 --> 00:07:10,140works. But I've got a Z 690motherboard with a meno Gen12700:07:10,140 --> 00:07:13,620twill Khorana. And I've got thewhole you got a graphics12800:07:13,620 --> 00:07:17,970processor. Yeah, well, luckilyenough. I had an old radio on12900:07:17,970 --> 00:07:21,210because you can't evidently youcan't find graphics cards13000:07:21,210 --> 00:07:21,690anymore.13100:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,450Oh, yeah. No, every everything'sbeing used for mining.13200:07:25,140 --> 00:07:29,400Yeah, yeah. I lucked out andkept one from from an old13300:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,250machine. But of course back toLinux, I'm going to move forward13400:07:32,250 --> 00:07:32,910to Ubuntu.13500:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,240When it really comes to just,you know, stomping bugs and13600:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,210getting stable releases out thatare actually stable just works13700:07:39,210 --> 00:07:42,750so much better in the opensource environment. It seems to13800:07:42,750 --> 00:07:46,680work better. And and if there'sa problem, you can kind of go to13900:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,740somewhere and say, Hey, man, Igot a problem. And someone will14000:07:49,740 --> 00:07:53,100usually say this was already anissue five through two through14100:07:53,100 --> 00:07:58,620765. Go away. Then once youfigure out how to find the14200:07:58,620 --> 00:08:03,000issue, stop thread hijacking.Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, well, okay.14300:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,670So it happens. You learn youlearn pretty quick what to want14400:08:05,670 --> 00:08:08,400someone to point you to what youshould be doing.14500:08:09,030 --> 00:08:11,280I never sent you my clips. No,you14600:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,930did not know. I got. I didclips. I'd love some clips.14700:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,450Absolutely. I mean, we have somestuff to discuss.14800:08:21,089 --> 00:08:24,059I'm dragging some clips overinto signal right now.14900:08:24,510 --> 00:08:27,270It was really interesting,because the thing that that just15000:08:27,270 --> 00:08:29,490doesn't actually it wasinteresting, because the thing15100:08:29,490 --> 00:08:33,450that doesn't interest me at allseem to be the topic of the day,15200:08:33,630 --> 00:08:39,270or maybe of the week. Okay. Andthis is YouTube is gonna be15300:08:39,300 --> 00:08:49,650podcasting. Yeah. And I reallyhaven't heard anyone say things15400:08:49,650 --> 00:08:55,290like, you know, you don'tnecessarily want your audience15500:08:55,290 --> 00:09:00,330to be built on YouTube. Youknow, it's like, you may not get15600:09:00,330 --> 00:09:01,050it back.15700:09:03,510 --> 00:09:07,050I've got I mean, I don't do youwant to you want to give your15800:09:07,140 --> 00:09:09,420you got thoughts about YouTube?We got you got thoughts15900:09:09,420 --> 00:09:13,710here. I think you probably arebetter prepared than I am. So16000:09:13,710 --> 00:09:14,910I'll add color.16100:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,690You run the Telestrator16200:09:19,830 --> 00:09:24,720Wait a minute, I want to docolor illustrator. I got to talk16300:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,970to him not just the draw monkeycome on manager16400:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,220draw monkey draw. Yeah. The16500:09:33,900 --> 00:09:36,630what in the world is I don'tknow it's a urine.16600:09:37,110 --> 00:09:39,300Do you hear that coming throughthe gate? Yeah, no, I16700:09:39,300 --> 00:09:41,790hear something for sure. What'sgoing on? I mean, you're at the16800:09:41,790 --> 00:09:43,980office right this is this is weshould have mentioned this.16900:09:45,090 --> 00:09:48,900Now I don't know what that is.It's some sort of horrible noise17000:09:48,900 --> 00:09:53,580Anthony. No, but what surelyit'll maybe it's the cleaning17100:09:53,580 --> 00:09:57,870curse and don't worry about it.It's fine. Yeah, the know my17200:09:57,870 --> 00:10:03,570thoughts were Number one, I wasdepressed. Really? I mean, yeah.17300:10:04,650 --> 00:10:09,240Because you had. I don't know ifyou saw the Podcast Movement17400:10:09,300 --> 00:10:15,030stuff, all of the podcast,people just crammed into that17500:10:15,180 --> 00:10:18,930into that YouTube session to tryto listen to like, get the17600:10:18,930 --> 00:10:21,030crumbs that fell off ofYouTube's tail.17700:10:21,030 --> 00:10:23,160Yeah, everybody's all jacked up.17800:10:23,580 --> 00:10:25,290Yeah, that's depressing.17900:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,690Oh, no, I that. Okay, no, well,I'll withhold my my comments. I18000:10:30,690 --> 00:10:34,350want to hear all I want yourwhole your full experience.18100:10:34,680 --> 00:10:35,070Well,18200:10:36,750 --> 00:10:44,550this goes back to Munchausen by1000 proxies. Which is the, to18300:10:44,550 --> 00:10:50,700me the most apt way to describethe podcast industry. There is18400:10:50,700 --> 00:10:54,810no perhaps no industry thatwants to give its autonomy away18500:10:54,810 --> 00:11:00,240more than the podcast industry.It's just it's like it's18600:11:00,870 --> 00:11:07,860constantly lusting for the nexthumungous corporation to come in18700:11:07,860 --> 00:11:12,510and take it over and ruin andruin everything it wants. It18800:11:12,510 --> 00:11:17,340wants it so bad. And it's soirritating to see it. Because18900:11:17,370 --> 00:11:22,860it's like, I think maybe it it'slike this perpetual underdog19000:11:22,860 --> 00:11:30,570syndrome. Maybe since podcastingstarted in an age of big media.19100:11:30,630 --> 00:11:34,860Yeah, yeah. It's always tried tobe like, we want to be respected19200:11:34,860 --> 00:11:38,430to you know, we want we wantour, you know, we want to be we19300:11:38,430 --> 00:11:41,070want to be one of the big boysand Oscars. So they're just19400:11:41,070 --> 00:11:49,140always trying to psychologicallysad that that open sore or19500:11:49,140 --> 00:11:49,620something?19600:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,420Well, the podcast, press themedia does an incredible19700:11:54,420 --> 00:12:00,810disservice. What, but mostpeople most podcasters have not19800:12:00,810 --> 00:12:03,900yet realized is where the wherethe value really is in19900:12:03,900 --> 00:12:10,950podcasting. And it is most ofthe most of the the newsletters20000:12:10,950 --> 00:12:15,900and the podcast publications.You know, they love you know,20100:12:15,900 --> 00:12:19,470they have their own reasons whythey like scoops and big news20200:12:19,470 --> 00:12:23,880and, and they're still all aboutcirculation, you know, it was20300:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,200like, grow your podcast, bebigger, have more be available20400:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,250in more places. We haven't seenany Terms of Service yet for20500:12:32,250 --> 00:12:37,260YouTube, that'll be interestingto see. And it's like you need20600:12:37,290 --> 00:12:40,980the most people you can get, youneed more people more as many as20700:12:40,980 --> 00:12:43,920you can get. But that's notwhere the value is. Because you20800:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,820wind up with some numbers andyou're going to be struggling,20900:12:47,820 --> 00:12:49,680you're going to get someadvertising, you'll have21000:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,950restrictions. And if you'redoing it on YouTube, or on21100:12:52,950 --> 00:12:57,300Spotify, you don't really own anowner's is shitty word. But you21200:12:57,300 --> 00:13:00,480really, you can't build acommunity. And that's how21300:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,940podcasting has just worked outbest. When it's not about trying21400:13:05,940 --> 00:13:10,200to get the most and be thebiggest. And these numbers have21500:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,830become I've met this numberbroken record on this. It took21600:13:13,830 --> 00:13:17,370me a while to figure it out. Butafter 15 years, I can tell you21700:13:17,370 --> 00:13:21,300the value is not in, in tryingto be the biggest and have the21800:13:21,300 --> 00:13:24,840most. It's about building therelationship with your audience.21900:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,600And I know it sounds kind ofhighfalutin, but it's really22000:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,440possible. And it's not thathard, because I could do it. And22100:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,160I don't have any skills. Soplease, No, but seriously,22200:13:35,190 --> 00:13:39,270seriously. And that's themistake. And so it's like, oh,22300:13:39,330 --> 00:13:42,600another opportunity to makemoney. And then this and I'm22400:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,780just gonna be and so this is I'mnot depressed, I'm very happy22500:13:45,780 --> 00:13:48,540because I think it'll just beanother another place that'll22600:13:48,540 --> 00:13:52,230fuck up and be stupid and notand not work. It's like It's22700:13:52,230 --> 00:13:55,080like all the all the it'severything's stupid. We have the22800:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,190standard podcasting 2.0 We havethe standard, we're setting the22900:13:59,190 --> 00:14:02,280standard, we have the themovement, and that's something23000:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,790we can talk about, because thatwas also clear from the report23100:14:05,790 --> 00:14:07,410card and evolutions23200:14:07,830 --> 00:14:11,040been downloaded all that Yeah.But it's but23300:14:11,040 --> 00:14:19,170it's really it's always going tobe a disappointment. Because23400:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,360there's only it's only going tobe established names or names23500:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,770with marketing money behindthem. And it's just it. It's23600:14:28,770 --> 00:14:31,320usually it's a waste of yourtime. It's like if you say I'm23700:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,500going to start a podcastnetwork, I would say no, no, no,23800:14:34,500 --> 00:14:39,420no, it's going to end bad. Andlo and behold, every network23900:14:39,420 --> 00:14:43,440that was bought by Spotify wasall pissed off and and then even24000:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,610the iHeart verge had a bigarticle about it. Oh, and we24100:14:47,610 --> 00:14:50,190didn't get advertising. Wedidn't get the attention. It24200:14:50,190 --> 00:14:55,470doesn't work. This is a youcannot capture podcasting24300:14:55,470 --> 00:15:00,930anymore. It's done. And this isever evasive. Just Discovery is24400:15:00,930 --> 00:15:04,950bullshit. It's just it's goodthat I'm going on vacation24500:15:04,950 --> 00:15:08,460because I'm really fired upabout this part. We don't need24600:15:08,460 --> 00:15:12,420some algorithmic discoverymechanism. For podcasts. That's24700:15:12,420 --> 00:15:18,720just not how it works. Here's aperfect example. Tina and I have24800:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,170been talking about faith andreligion and God on on our24900:15:22,170 --> 00:15:26,790podcast. And people startsaying, Hey, here's a book.25000:15:26,970 --> 00:15:30,720Here's a podcast, this is how wediscover not by going in and25100:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,390saying, oh, okay, maybe if Ilisten to this one25200:15:33,510 --> 00:15:36,330recommendation will pop up. AndI can listen to that for 3025300:15:36,330 --> 00:15:41,190minutes. It's not the same asYouTube or Twitter. This is a25400:15:41,220 --> 00:15:46,260inherently peer to peer mediumpeople telling each other Hey,25500:15:46,260 --> 00:15:49,410you should check that podcastout. How did you find that the25600:15:49,410 --> 00:15:53,190last three podcasts you found?You didn't find him? Someone25700:15:53,190 --> 00:15:57,450told you about them? That'sright. Okay. Yeah. So but25800:15:57,450 --> 00:15:59,940there's this, there's this.That's what's going on? And25900:16:00,300 --> 00:16:02,910let's be honest, the pressdoesn't want to talk about26000:16:02,910 --> 00:16:06,510podcasting. 2.0 They didn'tinvent it. The only the only guy26100:16:06,510 --> 00:16:10,710who actually reports anything isCridland. Right. I mean, I was26200:16:10,710 --> 00:16:14,670very disappointed to read thepodcast Business Journal, what I26300:16:14,670 --> 00:16:22,260learned that Podcast Movementevolutions. It means not a26400:16:22,260 --> 00:16:27,840single mention of anypodcasting. 2.0 Nothing. But26500:16:27,870 --> 00:16:31,110like, it didn't happen. Like noone mentioned it was completely26600:16:31,140 --> 00:16:31,890absent.26700:16:32,250 --> 00:16:35,160If we're not there, it doesn'tget it doesn't get talked about26800:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,240everything other than Cridland.You know, Caitlyn talked about26900:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,540the report card and stuff andshowed our scores and the high27000:16:42,540 --> 00:16:43,590scores we got and27100:16:43,980 --> 00:16:47,670it was really funny. Today, um,no agenda. I wrote that down27200:16:47,670 --> 00:16:50,550because every single time beforethe donation segment, I was27300:16:50,550 --> 00:16:54,690plugged podcasting. 2.0 dopodcast apps calm. And so I had27400:16:54,690 --> 00:16:56,520it written down. It's like,yeah, you know, it's the most27500:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,670recent Podcast Movementevolutions you know, podcasts27600:16:59,670 --> 00:17:03,510index got the top numbers aboveGoogle and Amazon and in27700:17:03,540 --> 00:17:08,970creativity, innovation, all thisstuff. And and the vortex have27800:17:08,970 --> 00:17:11,130well, of course, you're puttingthose got everyone out of27900:17:11,130 --> 00:17:14,730business those losers. I'm like,holy shit. And then he said,28000:17:14,970 --> 00:17:18,870Tell me about this. This updatething this this that it updates28100:17:18,870 --> 00:17:22,770so quick. And like 60 seconds.Totally shit. Devorah was asking28200:17:22,770 --> 00:17:26,940me about pod. Nose. Yes. Andthen he said, and then he said,28300:17:27,030 --> 00:17:30,210Apple should be ashamed ofthemselves there. They're28400:17:30,810 --> 00:17:34,950wasting all this energy andresources. I was blown away. I28500:17:34,980 --> 00:17:36,210do. Wow. Yeah.28600:17:37,500 --> 00:17:38,520more mainstream. I28700:17:38,940 --> 00:17:41,580think we're getting there whendivorce tech is has something to28800:17:41,580 --> 00:17:43,890say about it. I was that wasWow. Okay.28900:17:44,340 --> 00:17:47,460Yeah, that's, that's we'veturned the corner evidently.29000:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,350This wheels up, baby. That'swhat I mean, when we onboard29100:17:52,350 --> 00:17:53,460wheel wheels up.29200:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,200I don't know if you remember. Ofcourse, you remember this?29300:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,940That's a stupid thing to say.But I don't know if maybe people29400:18:03,420 --> 00:18:08,610remember the timeline the way wedo. But let me just throw this29500:18:08,700 --> 00:18:12,420out at you. I mean, I wasthinking back about you on29600:18:12,420 --> 00:18:17,850YouTube. And the thing that thething that strikes me about29700:18:17,850 --> 00:18:25,380YouTube is it's it's very goodat search is very good at video29800:18:25,380 --> 00:18:33,330search. And video, I think is amedium that lends itself to, to29900:18:33,390 --> 00:18:39,780easier search than audio. I hopethat that's not just May I think30000:18:39,810 --> 00:18:46,110that's probably fairly selfevident. Because there's a, we30100:18:46,110 --> 00:18:50,130don't, I think we discount thevisual component of search, even30200:18:50,130 --> 00:18:54,870for things that aren't imagesand videos. So like when you do30300:18:54,870 --> 00:18:59,970a Google search, there's a veryvisual component to what you30400:18:59,970 --> 00:19:01,920get, you get the results back.30500:19:02,789 --> 00:19:05,849I'm gonna I'm gonna agree withyou 100% Because this happens to30600:19:05,849 --> 00:19:11,189me every day. I'm looking for aclip of Jen Psaki talking some30700:19:11,189 --> 00:19:15,419shit on some certain day that Ido the search. And sometimes30800:19:15,419 --> 00:19:18,659I'll search directly on YouTube.And just by the thumbnails, I30900:19:18,659 --> 00:19:21,449can see if it's the rightoutfit. I know it's the right31000:19:21,449 --> 00:19:24,269setting. Oh, yeah, it's veryimportant completely agree.31100:19:24,660 --> 00:19:28,590And, and it's not just that'snot even just video. If you do a31200:19:28,590 --> 00:19:32,280plain vanilla Google search, alot of times you can instantly31300:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,790spot something, just that youknow, that's the thing you want31400:19:35,790 --> 00:19:37,470just by the headline withouteven reading31500:19:37,499 --> 00:19:40,259or how many times have you beensearching for something and you31600:19:40,259 --> 00:19:43,019hit the image tab? Because youknow, you're so that's what I'm31700:19:43,019 --> 00:19:44,609actually talking about thatthing?31800:19:44,910 --> 00:19:48,330Mm hmm. Yep. If you're searchingfor a person, you just know the31900:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,090person what they look like youdon't you know, like that.32000:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,400Sometimes the image search willget you there faster than the32100:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,390actual text search.32200:19:54,420 --> 00:19:57,840You know what we need? We need achapter image search.32300:19:59,430 --> 00:20:02,310That's a good idea. Dearchapter,32400:20:03,510 --> 00:20:04,980hey, put it on the list.32500:20:06,750 --> 00:20:10,770Where's my list? Here's thelist. I found it. I'm going to32600:20:10,770 --> 00:20:12,090title this the list32700:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,660view list view list is going tobe huge. Your chapter32800:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,850image search. Okay? That. So ifyou search, if you think back in32900:20:20,850 --> 00:20:25,620time to the history of YouTubeand how they sort of became33000:20:25,620 --> 00:20:32,340dominant in that area. Do youremember? Back when? Okay, so33100:20:32,340 --> 00:20:38,160there was Google Video? Yes. Andwhat would happen all the time33200:20:38,370 --> 00:20:42,390was you would go and search forsomething. And you know, it's a33300:20:42,390 --> 00:20:45,420video and this is I think thisis sort of pre YouTube33400:20:45,420 --> 00:20:48,450dominance. And a lot of peopledon't under weren't there. They33500:20:48,450 --> 00:20:49,260weren't know what33600:20:49,260 --> 00:20:53,580to do.google.com was a go to.Yeah, yeah.33700:20:53,610 --> 00:20:58,770And it would occasionallysurface some YouTube results.33800:20:58,830 --> 00:21:01,530But hold on a second. It was waybefore YouTube33900:21:03,660 --> 00:21:06,390was independent, though. That'swhen YouTube was just a little34000:21:06,390 --> 00:21:07,560startup before they get bought34100:21:07,590 --> 00:21:10,320wasn't even on the radar. As faras I'm concerned. It was almost34200:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,740nothing. Yeah. And so then,because then because they had34300:21:14,310 --> 00:21:18,300YouTube. If I can justinterrupt. Yeah, yeah, good.34400:21:18,990 --> 00:21:24,630YouTube did a couple of things.One, it use flash. data. So it34500:21:24,630 --> 00:21:27,600played super fast. It didn'thave to load anything. There was34600:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,740no embedded players, believe itor not, that was the thing. And34700:21:31,740 --> 00:21:36,240of course, it was free postingand transcribing. You used to34800:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,210have to transcribe upload havecrap loads of storage, and34900:21:42,210 --> 00:21:46,290forget the bandwidth costs tohere it was it was free. That's35000:21:46,290 --> 00:21:50,580what it was. Yeah, it was easy,fast. Free. It worked on any35100:21:50,580 --> 00:21:51,210device.35200:21:52,020 --> 00:21:59,850Yep. And then you had you hadthe the whole ecosystem, like35300:21:59,850 --> 00:22:03,720the video landscape back thenwas way more distributed. He had35400:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,980a Vimeo and you had,35500:22:05,250 --> 00:22:08,040we had video podcast, viapodcast.35600:22:09,150 --> 00:22:15,300So at one point you had, you hadVimeo, Google video, YouTube,35700:22:15,450 --> 00:22:18,240was independent at the time, andthen you had a whole slew of35800:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,580video podcasts and other smallerplatforms. And then, Google35900:22:23,580 --> 00:22:27,270tried to start indexing thoseinto the Google Video Search.36000:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,260And it was horrible. Yeah, Inever found anything decent. And36100:22:31,260 --> 00:22:35,340shit would just go away to justthis year. And they would always36200:22:35,340 --> 00:22:37,920surface like the low qualityversions of stuff, and you36300:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,680couldn't find the good, youknow, it's out there. But you36400:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,890can't find like, the higherquality and all it was, it was a36500:22:43,890 --> 00:22:49,440bunch of garbage really. Andthen then YouTube, they they36600:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,860bought it integrated the search,where YouTube became a first36700:22:55,890 --> 00:22:58,590where YouTube search resultsbecame first class citizens36800:22:58,590 --> 00:23:03,780within Google search. And thatwas it, that that very much36900:23:04,020 --> 00:23:09,390mean, just wipe the floor witheverybody else. There. There's37000:23:09,390 --> 00:23:15,960no such equivalent to that, inpodcasting, you can't do the37100:23:15,960 --> 00:23:22,380same thing. That's, you can'ttake the audio medium, and, and37200:23:22,380 --> 00:23:26,580replicate that thing with it.And that's why they're going you37300:23:26,580 --> 00:23:31,140look at all the sort of thepreview tech of what's been37400:23:31,380 --> 00:23:34,620rumored and released a littlebit so far. In it's all just,37500:23:34,830 --> 00:23:40,080you know, try to use try to useartwork, try to use, you know,37600:23:40,110 --> 00:23:43,440fancy still images, try, youknow, try to you please, we'll37700:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,100pay you $50,000 to switch thevideo. But I think they37800:23:47,100 --> 00:23:51,600inherently know that this is notan YouTube is not an audio first37900:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,250medium is not going to be init's not going to have the only38000:23:56,250 --> 00:24:00,180way they can get discoverythrough their search stuff to38100:24:00,180 --> 00:24:04,830work the same way that they didwith with the original Google38200:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,430with original video search is ifthey just take all of the38300:24:11,430 --> 00:24:16,770podcast platforms and justforced them into this metadata38400:24:16,770 --> 00:24:22,320funnel. And it's not possible.They can't do it. I just38500:24:24,270 --> 00:24:27,810I'm gonna tell you this isn'tthis is gonna be a sad launch.38600:24:28,140 --> 00:24:31,560It could be all kinds of stupidissues there. Now that I hear38700:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,770about ingesting RSS feeds doesthat mean they're going to suck38800:24:34,770 --> 00:24:40,140in the audio and the end andthey will store the audio? I38900:24:40,140 --> 00:24:44,670mean, this is a big no this is athis is the one of the reasons I39000:24:44,670 --> 00:24:50,070am going to turn 180 degrees onthe block tag. Yeah, I don't39100:24:50,070 --> 00:24:53,970want these eight. And and by theway, it's a farce to think that39200:24:53,970 --> 00:24:58,500you have to be everywhere. It'snot true. Joe Rogan doesn't have39300:24:58,500 --> 00:25:02,520to be everywhere. Oh, Yeah, he'sgetting $200 million. That's not39400:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,030the point is your is yourcommunity is wherever you want39500:25:06,030 --> 00:25:13,590to be. If you distribute CD ROMscassettes they will no agenda39600:25:13,590 --> 00:25:17,400used to do that no agenda CDsused to have. I think we used to39700:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,790have cassette does see actuallyyes, CDs, cassettes, I remember39800:25:20,790 --> 00:25:26,880that, yeah, CDs Yeah, with 1000sof CDs, that thumb drives all39900:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,270kinds of different ways ofdistributing. That's not where40000:25:30,270 --> 00:25:36,810the value is. This this is it'sa fundamental switch you have to40100:25:36,810 --> 00:25:41,940make in your brain, that it'sunimportant. What's important is40200:25:41,940 --> 00:25:45,750that either you can build acommunity around the topic that40300:25:45,750 --> 00:25:49,830you're talking about, or if it'sabout money, that you make the40400:25:49,830 --> 00:25:53,460most money without compromise.Obviously, I'm gonna tell you40500:25:53,460 --> 00:25:57,480value for value as the way to dothat. But without compromise40600:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,960part is really important. Andwhen you I mean, are we insane?40700:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,780It's like the already theconsumer is choosing is having40800:26:06,780 --> 00:26:11,220to make choices among streamingvideo and different music40900:26:11,220 --> 00:26:14,550services. And it's becoming toocrazy. There's too many apps41000:26:14,550 --> 00:26:17,310there's too many bills to pay.And now you're going to do the41100:26:17,310 --> 00:26:20,610exact same thing on the otherside. Oh, I got to go check out41200:26:20,610 --> 00:26:23,610my Spotify comment to go checkout my YouTube stuff. Oh, got to41300:26:23,610 --> 00:26:26,760check out my stats here. Got tocheck out my Apple stuff. This41400:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,990is dumb. So So yeah, whateveryou however, you said that it41500:26:30,990 --> 00:26:36,000would just just was it manMunchausen by 1000 proxies that41600:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,740we use you call? Yeah. It's it'stotally it's it is listen to the41700:26:40,740 --> 00:26:47,490pod father for once. That's awild goose chase. I did it I ran41800:26:47,490 --> 00:26:50,820I did it. I raised the money. Idid all these things. It doesn't41900:26:50,820 --> 00:26:55,260pan out base because it's notcentralized. That's one really42000:26:55,260 --> 00:26:58,170good. That's a really good pointyou made about Rogan. I mean,42100:26:58,170 --> 00:27:02,010he's, he's on one, he's in oneplace, you got to go jump42200:27:02,010 --> 00:27:04,650through a whole bunch of hoopsto go listen to him. And people42300:27:04,650 --> 00:27:07,890evidently are jumping throughthe hoops they need to go to42400:27:07,890 --> 00:27:13,200listen to us about the content.Sure. And if he Yeah, he's42500:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,800making you know, a couple 100million dollars on on Spotify.42600:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,240But if he left Spotify today andwent, you know, just to42700:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,000somewhere B and went back to theopen podcasting ecosystem,42800:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,430everybody just falling backthere. Yeah, it's42900:27:26,460 --> 00:27:30,060absolutely. And you know, and ifyou really look at the numbers,43000:27:30,060 --> 00:27:35,040reminder, 40% of women surveyed,listen to podcasts on their page43100:27:35,070 --> 00:27:38,940in the player on the page. And Iknow Stephen is working on43200:27:38,940 --> 00:27:41,640something for curio caster, butyou know, take this into43300:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,040account. This is why I love castcoverage. You know, it it43400:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,670doesn't always have to be thesame type of interface either.43500:27:50,940 --> 00:27:55,530There's many different avenueswe've just not explored yet. But43600:27:55,530 --> 00:28:02,880yet, you know, YouTube, so it'sboring. It's really boring. And43700:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,790of course, then of course thethe real the lead of the story43800:28:05,790 --> 00:28:08,730is Oh, advertising. Oh, you'llget YouTube advertising. Oh,43900:28:08,730 --> 00:28:12,090third partner advertising. Oh,Google advertising algos.44000:28:12,180 --> 00:28:18,570Discoverability whoo subscribe,like smash that like button. I'm44100:28:18,570 --> 00:28:23,070mocking it but I mean it this isbullshit. This is dumb. Is does44200:28:23,130 --> 00:28:23,310I44300:28:23,940 --> 00:28:32,160really want I don't really know.Oh, as Okay, as a as a pod as a44400:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,730podcaster when you look out intoyou know, sort of what the quote44500:28:38,730 --> 00:28:44,430unquote podcasting industry Imean, use in you see what44600:28:45,180 --> 00:28:51,930YouTube looks like with the 50ads, you know, for every video44700:28:51,930 --> 00:28:54,780in it and that kind of thing. Imean, is that really what people44800:28:54,780 --> 00:28:55,290want?44900:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,650No, they're not thinking aboutthat. Dave is thinking about45000:28:58,650 --> 00:29:02,520this starry eyed. Do you knowwhat the single single best45100:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,050thing is that the no agenda showhas done in almost 15 years. The45200:29:07,050 --> 00:29:14,490best thing we have done tostrengthen the community and to45300:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,380actually raise our income45400:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,330was that I take45500:29:18,330 --> 00:29:18,930a guess45600:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,240newsletter45700:29:22,170 --> 00:29:26,130newsletters is critical butthat's that that's been there45800:29:26,130 --> 00:29:29,220from that's kind of part of thesystem but the best strap on45900:29:29,220 --> 00:29:31,860we've added no agenda social.46000:29:32,670 --> 00:29:34,110Ah, okay.46100:29:35,460 --> 00:29:39,690That's where ideas are born. Nowyou know that it's It's Our46200:29:39,690 --> 00:29:42,900Community, they can interfacewith other people. It is it is a46300:29:42,900 --> 00:29:46,710very, very cost effective Ofcourse, the way no agenda runs46400:29:46,710 --> 00:29:49,680that we have, you know, Aaroner, He's maintaining the whole46500:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,110thing out of the goodness of hisheart, part of time, talent,46600:29:52,110 --> 00:29:57,060treasure. These are the thingsthat matter. This to two46700:29:57,060 --> 00:30:00,660families have been living off ofvalue for value and and no46800:30:00,660 --> 00:30:05,310compromise. And not on Spotify.You know, Apple barely updates46900:30:05,310 --> 00:30:13,560us. You know, not on Amazon.Doing fine, happy. I don't feel47000:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,910like I'm not like I don't havereach or my show hasn't grown47100:30:17,910 --> 00:30:22,050enough. I know a lot of peopleare rolling their eyes at me not47200:30:22,050 --> 00:30:25,200right now. But you never hearthis. It's always how do I grow47300:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,000my show? As you grow your bankaccount? That's what you're47400:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,460really saying. You want to makemore money. Okay. Well, let me47500:30:32,460 --> 00:30:33,570tell you a better way.47600:30:34,770 --> 00:30:40,560YouTube. Well, speaking ofspeaking, people rolling their47700:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,430eyes at you want to have printedout some some of these comments47800:30:44,430 --> 00:30:46,860from the report card. Do Now47900:30:46,890 --> 00:30:50,190I want to say up front, I don'tlike the report card. Even48000:30:50,190 --> 00:30:55,470though we come out favorably. Idon't like the sample size is48100:30:55,470 --> 00:30:59,160small. I don't like that it'snot third party verified. It's48200:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,690not really a good measure. It'sfun. And then I also don't48300:31:03,690 --> 00:31:06,720really like cherry picking ofcomments. Either we see all the48400:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,500comments,48500:31:07,740 --> 00:31:08,400and I got them all.48600:31:08,460 --> 00:31:09,480You got them. Okay.48700:31:09,930 --> 00:31:15,720I'm all not just for us. But forthat I asked James and he said,48800:31:16,410 --> 00:31:19,500and he sent me all of them allthe comments, not just for us,48900:31:19,500 --> 00:31:23,760but for all of the for everybodyfor Apple, Apple. Me all of the49000:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,240comments.49100:31:24,330 --> 00:31:28,410Alright, so I'm not really a bigfan of this. It's industry49200:31:28,410 --> 00:31:33,450people probably consideringwhere where the weather survey49300:31:33,450 --> 00:31:36,750was done. So you know, there's alot of things you don't know.49400:31:36,750 --> 00:31:40,140And so yeah, we we come outgreat. I totally appreciate49500:31:40,140 --> 00:31:44,280that. But I can't be celebratingother than for the PR value of49600:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,090it. Because it's it's not reallya scientific study, in my49700:31:48,090 --> 00:31:48,600opinion.49800:31:49,110 --> 00:31:53,100Well, I got it. I got it morefor the criticisms than for the49900:31:53,790 --> 00:31:54,720for the good stuff.50000:31:55,260 --> 00:31:58,230Okay, you want to hurt me? Wewant to hurt me before we go on50100:31:58,230 --> 00:31:59,670vacation. Okay, good.50200:31:59,700 --> 00:32:03,180Well, I want to bring you I wantto bring you low. Take me down,50300:32:03,360 --> 00:32:03,630and you'll50400:32:03,630 --> 00:32:06,510build me back up. Okay, I'mready. I'm ready. Cut me.50500:32:09,030 --> 00:32:14,310I think it's probably it'sprobably a good idea to look at50600:32:14,310 --> 00:32:17,100some of these look at some ofthe negative comments because50700:32:17,850 --> 00:32:22,530they may be they may be ontosomething we may be blind and50800:32:22,530 --> 00:32:28,560missing thing. Okay. Okay. Let'ssee, I highlighted a few that50900:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,370stood out to me now.51000:32:29,370 --> 00:32:34,770Hold on, hold on a second. Therewas one other problem I had in51100:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,780there. Do you have the questionsthere as well?51200:32:37,650 --> 00:32:43,380No, I just, I, I've ordered thisby like section. So like51300:32:43,380 --> 00:32:46,680onboarding, monetizationinnovation? And then I just51400:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,000printed out the comments.51500:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,040Okay. Because the, the realproblem I had was with the the51600:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,590phrasing of the question aboutmonetization.51700:32:56,910 --> 00:33:02,880Okay. I don't remember how itwas phrased. Yeah. You got you51800:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,270got to51900:33:03,780 --> 00:33:11,190Yeah, I got to find it here. Thereport card all right, why don't52000:33:11,190 --> 00:33:13,320you read the comments now andI'll look up the codes of52100:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,230question didn't even mentionvalue for value lightning or52200:33:16,230 --> 00:33:19,920even Bitcoin just said cryptoand tipping. Like come on, man.52300:33:20,040 --> 00:33:26,310That's bullshit. I didn't knowthat. Yeah, that was that.52400:33:26,549 --> 00:33:29,669I don't think we'll see. I thinkthat goes back to the your52500:33:29,669 --> 00:33:33,149original thing of the this beingsort of industry specific52600:33:33,149 --> 00:33:33,419because52700:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,850Oh, yeah, it's everyone's intoadvertising. who answered this?52800:33:35,850 --> 00:33:39,480No one wants to be cut out ofadvertising. No value for value52900:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,340is not not the way it's gonnago.53000:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,950Oh, yeah. But I guess what Imean, is I think they probably53100:33:43,950 --> 00:33:47,190already know what it is. So thequestion is probably well,53200:33:47,220 --> 00:33:49,590no. Okay. Hold on. Read thequestion. I have the question53300:33:49,590 --> 00:33:53,880here. Okay. These services offerways to help your cod podcast53400:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,270make money from subscriptions totipping and crypto. How well do53500:34:00,270 --> 00:34:07,770they work for your podcast? Oh,come on. Testing that's it's53600:34:07,770 --> 00:34:12,660fine. But that's not what weoffer. It's not it's not and we53700:34:12,660 --> 00:34:13,650don't offer shit.53800:34:14,309 --> 00:34:16,499We don't read that's the thingis we don't offer anything.53900:34:16,499 --> 00:34:17,669Yeah. All right. So54000:34:17,669 --> 00:34:21,569that that was my real gripe isthe question like that is I54100:34:21,569 --> 00:34:23,279can't take these answersseriously.54200:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,510Well, okay, there's still goodstuff in here though. This. Let54300:34:27,510 --> 00:34:32,220me see, let me say, I'll startoff with a good one. How about54400:34:32,220 --> 00:34:32,490this?54500:34:32,730 --> 00:34:35,730I'm gonna give me all bad ones.It's fine.54600:34:36,539 --> 00:34:40,049I'm gonna say this could be agood one first. Next is the only54700:34:40,049 --> 00:34:42,989index that seems to take thetime to remove garbage anchor54800:34:42,989 --> 00:34:45,539feeds Plus supports namespaceextensions.54900:34:45,780 --> 00:34:49,860Yeah, well, that's all you baby.Dave Jones is the man.55000:34:51,900 --> 00:34:56,760Well, let's meet when we foundone that is for is about you.55100:34:57,090 --> 00:34:58,140Let's see. It's a very55200:34:58,140 --> 00:34:59,550good dynamic. We have55300:35:02,070 --> 00:35:03,930Here's this is a good one foryou, you're gonna like this55400:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,640podcast index and podcasting 2.0are really innovative, but I55500:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,340don't like the crypto focusaround that. This burns our55600:35:11,340 --> 00:35:18,300planet and raises the profit ofMr. Curry. See, I knew by by55700:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,800reading that that laugh insteadof hurt your feelings. Yes.55800:35:22,830 --> 00:35:26,340No it doesn't because I saw thiscomment this this, this joker55900:35:26,340 --> 00:35:29,370answered three comments. It wasso obvious it was the same56000:35:29,370 --> 00:35:33,990person he's killing the planetis burning it up with this damn56100:35:33,990 --> 00:35:35,910crypto horrible man.56200:35:36,900 --> 00:35:39,750He's arrived. He's rising yourprofit though? Well, luckily,56300:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,290Greenpeace and the XRP douchebagare going to save us as we56400:35:43,290 --> 00:35:46,020change the code. So we're goodto go.56500:35:47,370 --> 00:35:51,270So I would like to make somecommentary on this. Within there56600:35:51,270 --> 00:35:54,240was there's a few comments likethis, here's, here's another one56700:35:54,240 --> 00:36:00,180probably saying SEO, podcastindex, like they have tags for56800:36:00,180 --> 00:36:02,160donation, but they need to movepast their infection,56900:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,980infatuation with Bitcoin. It'smore harmful than it is57000:36:04,980 --> 00:36:06,990valuable. And aside from itbeing a pyramid scheme57100:36:06,990 --> 00:36:09,600contributing to the climatecrisis, the barrier to entry is57200:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,660too high for listeners, letalone podcasters. I understand57300:36:12,660 --> 00:36:15,240the culture of value for valuemodel comes from. But sure57400:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,520that's great for libertarians,but I'm happy sticking to the57500:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,770sidelines throwing stones fromthe right side of history.57600:36:22,410 --> 00:36:26,940That's funny. I like that. Ilike it. Yeah. Well, I57700:36:26,940 --> 00:36:30,390guess I guess we should weshould consider that advertising57800:36:30,390 --> 00:36:33,600based petro dollar system.That's working out. Great.57900:36:33,630 --> 00:36:36,150That's clean. That's the cleanenergy for you.58000:36:37,290 --> 00:36:42,960Great. The how many? How much?How much? How much fossil fuel58100:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,970does a like a like a tank? Burn?Like? Oh, gallons a mile? Those?58200:36:47,970 --> 00:36:52,770The military is the biggestpolluter? Yeah, yeah.58300:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,930We're all in dollars to thepetro dollar. Sure. But so just58400:36:57,930 --> 00:37:08,070in general, I want to say this.I want criticism. It's it's how58500:37:08,070 --> 00:37:12,420things get me it's how thingsget better. For me, bugs don't58600:37:12,420 --> 00:37:16,200get fixed. If they aren'treported. People, you know, you58700:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,650you have to, you have to havepeople out there that tell you58800:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,540negative things. When you'rebuilding and creating, you need58900:37:24,540 --> 00:37:33,180it. Be nice. Assume you don'tknow everything. I think that's59000:37:33,180 --> 00:37:35,880probably a good place to startwhen you're giving criticism.59100:37:37,230 --> 00:37:44,430But also remember that whenyou're criticizing, think about59200:37:45,180 --> 00:37:49,710note, you have to understand whoyou're criticizing. We're a59300:37:49,710 --> 00:37:56,250bunch of people with day jobs,and no money. We're not Apple,59400:37:56,850 --> 00:38:00,840we're not Spotify. And when Isay we, I would like to define59500:38:00,870 --> 00:38:07,890what we is we is anybody whoparticipates in podcasting. 2.059600:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,440Because podcasting 2.0 is notAdam and Dave, podcasting. 2.059700:38:13,740 --> 00:38:18,660is about 100 Different peopleall doing different things,59800:38:18,900 --> 00:38:24,300sometimes just making comments.Yes, right. That is what we is.59900:38:24,540 --> 00:38:32,280And every one of us have dayjobs, most of them not involving60000:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,840this project. So this is a laborof love of everybody involved.60100:38:36,990 --> 00:38:40,110So when you're criticizing, it'sfair to criticize and it's it's60200:38:40,110 --> 00:38:44,490good, do it please do criticize.But remember who you're60300:38:44,490 --> 00:38:49,350criticizing and what is actuallygoing on on the other side of60400:38:49,350 --> 00:38:50,040the criticism60500:38:50,550 --> 00:38:56,280and allow me to expand becauseyes, value for value streaming60600:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,150payments are incrediblyimportant to me. So when people60700:39:00,150 --> 00:39:06,330criticize me, let me explain whyI have pioneered a model that60800:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,830with Jhansi Dvorak, that allowsus to make content which is60900:39:10,830 --> 00:39:14,970very, very precious to us verydear to us. So we have no61000:39:14,970 --> 00:39:19,140restrictions. It is completelywhat we want. And we and we61100:39:19,140 --> 00:39:23,910chose that path which meant wecould not take advertising. We61200:39:23,970 --> 00:39:30,360we have. So podcasting 2.0 wasalso for me not just to ensure61300:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,890that our podcast would beavailable at least on an app61400:39:34,890 --> 00:39:37,950somewhere that I could pointpeople to so they could use it.61500:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,260Should Apple decide just likethe decided with Alex Jones or X61600:39:43,260 --> 00:39:48,99022 that all of a sudden we're nogood. But worse we're incredibly61700:39:48,990 --> 00:39:53,100vulnerable with our moneysupply. At payment processors,61800:39:53,100 --> 00:39:58,740anything could be shut off at awhim the the news is full of61900:39:58,740 --> 00:40:03,270these of this You can you can besupporting a Canadian trucker62000:40:03,270 --> 00:40:07,320and get your money turned off.That could happen to me. So when62100:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,770it comes to booster grams andvalue for value, I'm really,62200:40:10,770 --> 00:40:14,910really passionate. So yeah,that's what you're hearing. It's62300:40:14,910 --> 00:40:19,050not infatuation, I don't havethe luxury of going back to the62400:40:19,050 --> 00:40:23,520petro dollar advertising route,not mentally, but also just it62500:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,220wouldn't be accepted. I can't Ican't even create programming62600:40:26,220 --> 00:40:29,430for it anymore. Doesn't mean I'minvalid or should be pushed62700:40:29,430 --> 00:40:33,330aside or told to shut up or stopyour infatuation, you62800:40:33,330 --> 00:40:34,620libertarian douche62900:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,330that was well delivered.63000:40:39,330 --> 00:40:42,540Thank you, thank you. I'm, Iwant to be podcast or one day63100:40:42,540 --> 00:40:42,960I'm working on.63200:40:45,900 --> 00:40:49,440The I mean, if you want a goodexample of this, I keep going63300:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,930back to this, you know, fromtime to time is, and you don't63400:40:55,380 --> 00:41:00,840do this. We're in a climateright now. Where the people63500:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,720getting canceled, or all allseem to be seen. It's not all63600:41:06,750 --> 00:41:09,030there's plenty of people on theleft getting canceled too, that63700:41:09,030 --> 00:41:12,780you never hear about. But forthe most part, there's a lot of63800:41:12,780 --> 00:41:16,470right, right ish and libertarianleaning people that get63900:41:16,470 --> 00:41:22,950cancelled and a lot of them areeasy to vilify. From from the64000:41:22,950 --> 00:41:29,940left. But please understand thatcan change. history, history is64100:41:29,970 --> 00:41:35,070any indication, it not only canchange but it will change. If64200:41:35,070 --> 00:41:38,190you want a good example of thatread Ty B's Matt Davies latest64300:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,420thing about meat censored. Yeah,Chris Hedges. Yeah. Former New64400:41:42,420 --> 00:41:46,020York Times guy not not a rightguy, not a right leaning guy at64500:41:46,020 --> 00:41:53,400all. His his his thing that gothim canceled was he's anti war.64600:41:53,970 --> 00:41:58,290And I can guarantee you thatwill get you canceled. And we64700:41:58,290 --> 00:42:01,170don't want people like thatgetting canceled. We need people64800:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,820Yes, criticize, or64900:42:02,850 --> 00:42:06,690yes, we want we want everyone tospeak everyone to say whatever65000:42:06,690 --> 00:42:10,710they want. So so don't makeyourself vulnerable. Don't give65100:42:10,740 --> 00:42:15,030don't give yourself away toYouTube and Spotify don't sign65200:42:15,030 --> 00:42:18,900their documents read whatthey're saying. And more and65300:42:18,900 --> 00:42:22,650more importantly focus on youraudience, whatever you want out65400:42:22,650 --> 00:42:26,370of them. There's no such thingas Wolfman Jack anymore, you65500:42:26,370 --> 00:42:26,670know.65600:42:30,180 --> 00:42:38,730So there's one more thing createthe we also includes the we have65700:42:38,730 --> 00:42:43,980podcast in Tupelo also includeslisteners, let Yes. And all the65800:42:43,980 --> 00:42:47,340people in here that commented inthe report card, if they want to65900:42:47,340 --> 00:42:52,110participate, yes, they canparticipate easily. Podcast66000:42:52,110 --> 00:42:56,220index dot social, Twitter,GitHub, any of that stuff, they66100:42:56,220 --> 00:43:00,180can participate. We keep ateam's repo that Mike Newman66200:43:00,180 --> 00:43:04,320updates all the time with namesof people do distributors hop in66300:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,350and just make comments. Andyou're on the list and you're66400:43:07,350 --> 00:43:12,150part of the you're part of theteam. And but I want to say this66500:43:14,250 --> 00:43:24,390creating is not stopping thingsyou don't see any value in. So66600:43:25,860 --> 00:43:31,290let me try to be more clear.It's not creating a thing to pop66700:43:31,290 --> 00:43:36,660in, and try to get other peopleto stop doing a thing. That's66800:43:36,660 --> 00:43:43,230not creation. That's justcommentary. If you want to66900:43:43,230 --> 00:43:49,230create something new, do itcreate, create a new thing, help67000:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,890create a new thing. But don'tmistake that don't mistake67100:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,270telling somebody else they oughtto stop doing a thing as an act67200:44:00,270 --> 00:44:05,040of creation, because it's not.It doesn't mean it's not67300:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,460valuable, if the thing they'redoing is something that you feel67400:44:08,460 --> 00:44:11,760strongly about. But let's justkeep those two things clear.67500:44:11,790 --> 00:44:15,450Those aren't the same thing. Isthat fair?67600:44:16,110 --> 00:44:18,570Yes. You know, as you're asyou're talking about this,67700:44:19,230 --> 00:44:24,000here's a thought that ranthrough my mind. If we had gone67800:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,170you if Adam and Dave had drawnup a proposal and said, Okay,67900:44:28,170 --> 00:44:34,170we're gonna create the world'slargest independent database of68000:44:34,170 --> 00:44:39,930podcasts. We're going to make anAPI available to any developer68100:44:39,930 --> 00:44:45,390who wants to come in and dothis. We were going to expand68200:44:45,420 --> 00:44:50,940the functionality of podcasting.We're going to add a Bitcoin68300:44:50,970 --> 00:44:56,400payment system native to thewhole shebang. Adam and Dave68400:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,210could have gone to AndreessenHorowitz and gotten 100% million68500:45:00,210 --> 00:45:08,610dollars and it would havesucked. It would have sucked.68600:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,620That's the experience that webring. And you're absolutely68700:45:13,620 --> 00:45:18,360right. The beauty of thisproject is because of the nature68800:45:18,540 --> 00:45:22,140of any one, you can throw sticksand stones, rocks, whatever you68900:45:22,140 --> 00:45:25,560want at it. But it really comesto life when you start to69000:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,340participate.69100:45:28,949 --> 00:45:36,929Example of participation. SoAlex has just brigade, Mr. Good,69200:45:36,929 --> 00:45:43,559yes, Mr. Gates. He has a newproposal for a JSON payment69300:45:43,559 --> 00:45:51,989token, which, which is a way ofverifying proof of like giving69400:45:51,989 --> 00:45:55,079validation or proof of payment.So that's one thing that's69500:45:55,079 --> 00:46:00,269missing is, if you can say, youcan say that you can see that a69600:46:00,269 --> 00:46:04,859thing was paid, but you can'ttell who paid it. That's native69700:46:04,859 --> 00:46:08,459to lightning. Right? That's,that's an intentional, yes,69800:46:08,459 --> 00:46:12,509intentional and, but that can bea problem. Sometimes, let's just69900:46:12,509 --> 00:46:15,209say if you've used, let's say,you've paid for a subscription70000:46:15,209 --> 00:46:20,819to something, you need to say,Hey, I'm the one that did that.70100:46:21,209 --> 00:46:24,509That was me. Because I want toverify my identity so that I can70200:46:24,539 --> 00:46:28,889go and get so I can claim thesubscription. So down the line,70300:46:28,889 --> 00:46:31,859there's going to be a need forthings like this for payment,70400:46:32,399 --> 00:46:38,549verification. And he wrote up avery nice proposal, and we70500:46:38,549 --> 00:46:44,039tested it out works works well.With lnd, we were able to verify70600:46:44,039 --> 00:46:50,549some payments. And it's all it'sall open source. And it's up on70700:46:50,549 --> 00:46:53,009that get up on the GitHub forthe namespace right now.70800:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,390Good question. Does this in thefuture, because I've been paying70900:46:57,390 --> 00:47:03,360attention to authentication withyour lightning node, and your71000:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,560your lightning key, I guess,your your, your key pair? Is71100:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,690this something that will foldinto that? Because I think we're71200:47:09,690 --> 00:47:14,310going to see a lot ofauthentication in the future71300:47:14,310 --> 00:47:18,510being done through a lightningkey pair instead of many other71400:47:18,810 --> 00:47:22,050options. That's a hunch.71500:47:22,679 --> 00:47:28,799Yeah, this is similar. This isbased on a JW T, a JavaScript,71600:47:29,579 --> 00:47:36,479JSON web token. And you can,it's, it's based on the71700:47:36,479 --> 00:47:42,689properties of the lightningpayment, so the payment hash,71800:47:43,289 --> 00:47:47,609and the amount paid. So you're,you're basically you're you're71900:47:47,609 --> 00:47:53,369hashing these, these criticalparts of the payment, and then72000:47:53,369 --> 00:47:57,059come up with with a, you know,with a value, and then coming72100:47:57,059 --> 00:47:59,129back and saying, you know,here's, here's the proof that,72200:47:59,459 --> 00:48:02,429that I'm the one that hash,because you can write it right.72300:48:02,909 --> 00:48:04,439So it can be out of band.72400:48:04,469 --> 00:48:06,719That's interesting, becausethat's not something that would72500:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,459be enlightening at a certainpoint.72600:48:10,290 --> 00:48:16,380A pot, it's possible. Except,you know, Kison throws a wrench72700:48:16,380 --> 00:48:18,000in the whole work, because,72800:48:18,150 --> 00:48:21,960of course it does. Broadcastingmoney is the part that very few72900:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,650people understand. It takes abroadcaster to understand how73000:48:25,650 --> 00:48:29,610damn cool that is. But it's notnatural for most people, I73100:48:29,610 --> 00:48:30,150think.73200:48:30,330 --> 00:48:33,870No, and it's not natural for forlightning, either. It was you73300:48:33,870 --> 00:48:34,530know, it's a73400:48:34,529 --> 00:48:37,409hack. It's really a hack. Yeah.Love that.73500:48:38,610 --> 00:48:44,790Yeah. So we that's, that is anexample this proposal is is73600:48:44,790 --> 00:48:48,780going to come in predict veryimportant down the line. And73700:48:48,780 --> 00:48:52,860when we start to do more complexthings, I love it. And that is a73800:48:52,860 --> 00:48:57,030thing that nobody told Jay,nobody told Alex to do that. He73900:48:57,030 --> 00:49:02,040did it himself completelyindependently. And it's part74000:49:02,340 --> 00:49:06,390that is another contribution topodcasting. 2.0 is a74100:49:06,390 --> 00:49:08,640contribution to the whole world,honestly, but its contribution74200:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,620to podcasting. 2.0 specifically,no, that is how this project74300:49:13,620 --> 00:49:21,060works. That's how it works.People do what they want. Nobody74400:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,810sets the rules. People do whatthey want. And as part of a74500:49:27,810 --> 00:49:32,520shared vision, we createstandards. Anybody can create74600:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,300one and the whole group that'sit, we give it we give feedback.74700:49:37,410 --> 00:49:41,970But nobody tells anybody elsewhat to do. Not how this whole74800:49:41,970 --> 00:49:42,660thing works.74900:49:42,989 --> 00:49:46,019It also did I don't think I'veever even seen that happen.75000:49:46,980 --> 00:49:51,690I don't think either and whichis awesome. Yeah. And the way75100:49:51,690 --> 00:49:53,400that that goes, that's just partof these75200:49:53,610 --> 00:49:56,130records. We all we all know thatyou really you're really the one75300:49:56,130 --> 00:50:00,270that holds our MK Ultra key.You've got us by the nose We75400:50:00,270 --> 00:50:04,410just follow Dave. Just burn,burn it down. Yes, Dave.75500:50:05,879 --> 00:50:11,549Here's one. See, the podcastingin the podcast index gives hope.75600:50:11,669 --> 00:50:14,459But it needs to become astandardized body if it wants to75700:50:14,459 --> 00:50:18,149make any real impact, in myopinion, that goes back to what75800:50:18,149 --> 00:50:23,069we were just saying. We'rebuilding standards. But we're75900:50:23,069 --> 00:50:25,679not. We're not a governing body.76000:50:25,769 --> 00:50:30,959No. Nor do we aspire to be anI've only had poor experiences76100:50:31,829 --> 00:50:33,179in them and observing them.76200:50:34,139 --> 00:50:38,399Yes. Yeah. As soon as yousneeze, you stick a 501 C three76300:50:38,399 --> 00:50:40,709on it and start doing all thisstuff. It just all goes76400:50:40,709 --> 00:50:41,339together. And76500:50:41,340 --> 00:50:45,690when you have to have a meeting,I think that's when it starts. I76600:50:45,690 --> 00:50:48,750just what I love about the devmeetings, they are they're kind76700:50:48,750 --> 00:50:53,340of random ad hoc, it just theyhappen. The swarm of the flock76800:50:53,340 --> 00:50:57,810of birds, you know, I'll go leftwe'll do a dev meeting. Yeah,76900:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,990these things are really theseare, it's beautiful. It's as I77000:51:00,990 --> 00:51:02,790said it before some of the mostbeautiful things I've ever77100:51:02,790 --> 00:51:07,470worked on. But you know, there'sa lot of, well, this kind of77200:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,420folds into branding positioning,and I know that you're working77300:51:12,420 --> 00:51:17,730on a, you're writing something.Yeah, that I presume is not done77400:51:17,730 --> 00:51:18,750yet. You want to talk about it?77500:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,430Yeah, it's not done yet out?Yeah, we'll do. It'll definitely77600:51:23,430 --> 00:51:25,410be out by the next show. Sowe'll talk about it then. But77700:51:25,410 --> 00:51:32,670it's, it's more of a visionpiece. And I just had this kind77800:51:32,670 --> 00:51:39,930of realization that from fromreading these comments that we77900:51:39,930 --> 00:51:42,900have not because there was a lotof this, let me let me interrupt78000:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,560myself. There was a lot ofthings that felt fell into this78100:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,930general response. What ispodcast index? Question mark?78200:51:52,380 --> 00:51:55,350Like there was a lot of that.Sure. Or I hadn't heard of78300:51:55,350 --> 00:52:00,270podcast index, or I don't know,podcast index. What is it? I78400:52:00,270 --> 00:52:02,910mean, there, there was just alot of comments like that. Oh,78500:52:02,909 --> 00:52:08,039absolutely. Of course, becauseit's completely screwed up. It's78600:52:08,039 --> 00:52:12,959very, it's very unclear.Absolutely. It this. And but78700:52:12,959 --> 00:52:16,739again, this is what we'reworking on. And Daniel J. Lewis,78800:52:17,699 --> 00:52:22,109painfully put together a Dockerfor me to now go figure out on78900:52:22,109 --> 00:52:26,669my on my vacation. It's gonna begreat. Just, it's simple. Just79000:52:26,669 --> 00:52:32,429follow these instructions. Onvacation. But it's, it's that79100:52:32,429 --> 00:52:36,389important to me. But, you know,what we clearly are seeing is,79200:52:36,749 --> 00:52:39,089you know, this was allplaceholder and now we're79300:52:39,089 --> 00:52:41,909getting more into okay, what ispodcasting? 2.0 Well, it's a79400:52:41,909 --> 00:52:45,959number of things. Now, it canlive at podcast index.org But it79500:52:45,959 --> 00:52:48,359just has to be completelydifferent when you get there,79600:52:48,389 --> 00:52:53,999you know, we're screaming, youknow, like, directory. You know,79700:52:53,999 --> 00:52:59,009that's what it screams when youget there. new podcast apps.com79800:52:59,009 --> 00:53:02,039is functional that works. Youknow, people get that it's like,79900:53:02,039 --> 00:53:05,939okay, and they see it, but youdon't really get there from the80000:53:05,939 --> 00:53:10,199homepage. So that's it's allit's all complete branding mess,80100:53:10,289 --> 00:53:13,529which is, it was just fine to mebecause we're gonna figure out80200:53:13,529 --> 00:53:15,599exactly how to say it prettysoon to80300:53:17,250 --> 00:53:23,220the now we've talked about wetalked this week about focusing80400:53:23,220 --> 00:53:28,980more on just being a standardsor not more on being let me try80500:53:28,980 --> 00:53:32,550and well I'm not trying to saywe we talked about standard80600:53:32,550 --> 00:53:35,280standards as the way tocommunicate the things that80700:53:35,280 --> 00:53:35,820we're doing80800:53:35,850 --> 00:53:39,240Yes. Which I like a lot thepodcasts and not even staying80900:53:39,780 --> 00:53:41,670plural just the podcaststandard.81000:53:42,300 --> 00:53:48,120Yeah. And so that that brings upsome that I wanted throw throw81100:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,870at you you know, we've talkedabout it only see if I can find81200:53:51,870 --> 00:53:56,520this comment this is actuallythere is a really sort of81300:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,680critical comment here. And thatI don't necessarily agree with81400:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,820but it is worth reading if I canfind there's like there's81500:54:05,820 --> 00:54:10,890something like you they shouldhave podcast index should have81600:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,970put in this should havereplicated all the iTunes tags81700:54:14,970 --> 00:54:19,170immediately. They've wastedmonths bobble? Oh, yeah. Oh,81800:54:19,170 --> 00:54:22,410here it is. Here it is. Okay.Podcast index has made some81900:54:22,410 --> 00:54:28,350colossal mistakes. Okay. Reinnovating existing podcast82000:54:28,350 --> 00:54:31,740namespace protocols, instead ofjust starting with, instead of82100:54:31,740 --> 00:54:34,680starting with integrating all ofApple's namespace stuff was an82200:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,030extremely poor idea. And they'vewasted months on an area of82300:54:39,030 --> 00:54:41,580podcast tag that's questionableat best. I guess he's talking82400:54:41,580 --> 00:54:45,270about crypto. It's shocking.This is the group that just82500:54:45,270 --> 00:54:46,260might save podcast.82600:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,860We'll get there no matter whatBrother82700:54:49,889 --> 00:54:53,489Yes, if they can focus. Now thatI'm back to searching their82800:54:53,489 --> 00:54:57,209directory. I hope they expandthe search functions to at least82900:54:57,449 --> 00:55:01,049at least to all available datedata Then I hope they can start83000:55:01,049 --> 00:55:04,889crunching and crawling and youknow, indexing. Okay, so this is83100:55:04,889 --> 00:55:09,869search guy. Yeah. So, but Iwanted to focus on this re83200:55:09,869 --> 00:55:12,599innovating existing podcastnamespace protocols, instead of83300:55:12,599 --> 00:55:15,389starting with the integratingall of Apple's namespace stuff83400:55:16,769 --> 00:55:20,159was an extremely poor idea. No,well, it's because you don't83500:55:20,159 --> 00:55:24,749understand what, what what wasgood, what was going on. I think83600:55:24,779 --> 00:55:28,199I think you're probably missinga critical sort of political83700:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,169component to this. And I don'tmean politics with a big pay, I83800:55:31,169 --> 00:55:38,399mean, a small p politics withwhen you in order to circumvent83900:55:39,539 --> 00:55:43,409the uselessness of justreplicating something that84000:55:43,409 --> 00:55:50,309already exists. So you, you havea namespace, what and what we84100:55:50,309 --> 00:55:52,979have is a vision, and this isgoing to come out in the article84200:55:52,979 --> 00:55:56,399in the article I'm writing, wehave a vision for what the84300:55:56,399 --> 00:55:59,759future of podcasting can be,what it can look like, the84400:55:59,759 --> 00:56:06,359things that listeners can do. Inorder to get there you need we84500:56:06,359 --> 00:56:14,549needed a namespace. And soconcomitant with that, we have84600:56:14,549 --> 00:56:18,029this, this notion that, okay, wecan kill two birds with one84700:56:18,029 --> 00:56:23,339stone by having new things thatwe want to enhance the division84800:56:23,339 --> 00:56:29,159of podcasting, podcasting, 2.0.And then also, we can use that84900:56:29,159 --> 00:56:34,079to sort of bring in all theexisting podcast stuff into one85000:56:34,079 --> 00:56:41,909cohesive namespace. But you'llnever, ever get anybody to adopt85100:56:42,269 --> 00:56:46,409the quote unquote, podcastnamespace, if all it does is85200:56:46,439 --> 00:56:52,019from the beginning is replicatethe iTunes namespace tags up85300:56:52,019 --> 00:56:56,909somebody, it's, you can't sellthat to anybody.85400:56:57,300 --> 00:56:59,940I can't believe you're defendingyourself over this,85500:57:01,230 --> 00:57:06,090I think, I think is mildlyimportant. Because I can see the85600:57:06,090 --> 00:57:08,670confusion would come it's like,okay, well, if you're going to,85700:57:09,570 --> 00:57:12,390it makes a sort of sense. Okay,okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna85800:57:12,390 --> 00:57:16,980start, you ought to start withpulling in what's already there,85900:57:16,980 --> 00:57:20,850so that you have a baseline,like, you could defend that. But86000:57:20,850 --> 00:57:25,950the defense is not, is notadequate. The defense doesn't86100:57:25,950 --> 00:57:29,490hold up, because it won't everget off the ground, what you86200:57:29,490 --> 00:57:35,190need is new things. And thosethings happen to serve the86300:57:35,190 --> 00:57:40,410vision, but they also giveadopters a reason to implement86400:57:40,410 --> 00:57:44,340the thing that you created. Thenlater, which is what we're86500:57:44,340 --> 00:57:49,170beginning to do now. Later, youbring it you begin to adopt the86600:57:49,170 --> 00:57:54,750existing things in there.Because already now we have, you86700:57:54,750 --> 00:57:59,700know, well, probably close to400,000 podcast feeds out there86800:57:59,700 --> 00:58:03,180that have the podcasts namespacedeclared in the Yeah, header,86900:58:03,180 --> 00:58:09,030and thank you. Once thathappens, then everybody already87000:58:09,030 --> 00:58:13,710has the declaration, and theycan start to just expand the tag87100:58:13,860 --> 00:58:14,430base.87200:58:14,670 --> 00:58:22,080I was. You know, the Buzzsproutsponsors, pod news, or pod land,87300:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,150I think. And so, you know, Jameshas a thing and he says, this87400:58:27,150 --> 00:58:32,760week, 3942 people startedpodcasting it Buzzsprout and I87500:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,160hear that and I think well, letme add about the same number for87600:58:35,160 --> 00:58:40,170RSS comm. This week, 10,000people started using the podcast87700:58:40,170 --> 00:58:44,850standard, the podcast namespace.Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we that's,87800:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,840that's the truth.87900:58:46,710 --> 00:58:50,460Yeah, that's the way that'sthat's what it means. Yeah. And88000:58:50,460 --> 00:58:51,360it's absolutely great.88100:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,440So anyway, to bring this allround, full circle, if YouTube,88200:58:55,710 --> 00:59:02,340which will see hundreds of1000s, I guess, feeds with with88300:59:02,340 --> 00:59:06,900a namespace in it. If YouTube isseeing that, and they should88400:59:06,900 --> 00:59:10,110understand this as a standard,it would be quite a shame if88500:59:10,110 --> 00:59:13,800they didn't facilitate forwardin their system, or anybody else88600:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,980for that matter. And if theydon't, when you literally are88700:59:16,980 --> 00:59:20,550seeing this being provided, whyare you not doing that?88800:59:23,130 --> 00:59:24,150Yeah, it makes88900:59:24,150 --> 00:59:27,870no sense. It's free. You know,here's another thing. I want to89000:59:27,870 --> 00:59:35,070call my, my death listeners. Ihave them deaf and blind. The89100:59:35,070 --> 00:59:38,970blind ones. There's also a lotof heart but hard of hearing is89200:59:38,970 --> 00:59:43,560more correct. And English as asecond language. They love the89300:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,810transcripts. They love them.They really do. How many people89400:59:48,810 --> 00:59:51,150say man appreciate thetranscript because you know, I89500:59:51,150 --> 00:59:55,380got cranked up to 11 Basically,he's a deaf guy making podcasts89600:59:55,380 --> 01:00:01,140for a deaf person which is justhilarious. Okay, Then I look at89701:00:02,160 --> 01:00:07,830all this money going into highend content podcasts. And I89801:00:07,830 --> 01:00:13,080think you Hollywood douchebags,the best movie winner, the best89901:00:13,080 --> 01:00:22,050movie was coda, a movie aboutdeaf people. And you can't be90001:00:22,050 --> 01:00:25,890bothered to put transcripts inyour podcast, you hypocritical90101:00:25,890 --> 01:00:33,270dishes. It's really outrageous.I mean it it's outrageous. Now I90201:00:33,270 --> 01:00:37,680agree. And where all theadvertising jag offs I'm really90301:00:37,680 --> 01:00:38,400on a roll today.90401:00:38,550 --> 01:00:40,620You are like, I like prevacation.90501:00:41,850 --> 01:00:45,900Where we are, we can wait andwait till after vacation. Hey,90601:00:45,900 --> 01:00:51,720man. Hey, baby, how is he doing?I love everybody. So YouTube, I90701:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,610Love you Youtube. Where's allthe advertising people who are90801:00:56,610 --> 01:01:00,210going to glean context fromtranscripts? What are we waiting90901:01:00,210 --> 01:01:04,590for? If you really are in the inthe game, if you're in the game91001:01:04,590 --> 01:01:07,650of advertising, you want to beindexed. Why don't you have91101:01:07,650 --> 01:01:13,170transcripts? Oh, it's not free?Oh, I see. Okay, got it. Check.91201:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,460Yeah, it costs an extra 30 centsdoesn't91301:01:17,490 --> 01:01:21,780just Buzzsprout. Does anyoneprovide transcripts for their91401:01:21,780 --> 01:01:25,650service and the modest softwareaiming? Well as a part of the91501:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,270part of the the monthly?91601:01:28,710 --> 01:01:31,920I don't know. I don't know howthat's built in. I'm assuming it91701:01:31,920 --> 01:01:32,850is. Yeah. I don't know.91801:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,560One or two how to make anyway.I'm just saying, I don't91901:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,400understand. I understand. I getnothing but happiness from92001:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,820people over the transcripts.People who get the MO facts,92101:01:44,820 --> 01:01:48,510transcripts. Oh, my goodness,people use these to to search92201:01:48,510 --> 01:01:53,340all the time. Yeah. Some guyactually put together a92301:01:53,340 --> 01:01:56,910searchable database, which isthis markdown thing. And it's92401:01:56,910 --> 01:01:59,550some app and you throw a wholebunch of markdown files into a92501:01:59,550 --> 01:02:02,610folder and it becomes thisawesome search engine.92601:02:03,299 --> 01:02:04,169What does that92701:02:05,790 --> 01:02:11,070G O have to look at? Somethingwith a B? I think,92801:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,430Okay. Well, I want this might bea good time to play a clip.92901:02:17,610 --> 01:02:27,810Okay. This is I would notnormally play Leo. But this is a93001:02:27,810 --> 01:02:32,520good this is a pretty good Leoclip. This was from93101:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,030when the Leo Laporte you meanfrom this week in tech? Do you93201:02:36,030 --> 01:02:37,830do you watch this week in techregularly?93301:02:38,070 --> 01:02:40,410No, I never watched thisweekend. This is from Windows93401:02:40,410 --> 01:02:40,830weekly.93501:02:41,310 --> 01:02:44,190Oh, okay. I like Windows weekly.Yeah.93601:02:45,570 --> 01:02:50,640But the context of this isthey're talking about why93701:02:50,640 --> 01:02:56,370companies don't do things thatare best for their users. So93801:02:56,370 --> 01:02:59,970this is this is good and contextof all of this stuff. Retama,93901:02:59,970 --> 01:03:08,160YouTube and everything. Andwhat, why don't businesses just94001:03:08,160 --> 01:03:13,380and this is specifically in thecontext of why windows 11 does94101:03:13,380 --> 01:03:19,860not allow an easy way to switchyour default browser. And why94201:03:19,860 --> 01:03:24,840they keep junking up the builtin Edge browser chunking it up94301:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,390with a bunch of crap nobodywants, right? Which all it does94401:03:27,390 --> 01:03:30,210is self serve them by puttingmore bang stuff in front of your94501:03:30,210 --> 01:03:30,390face.94601:03:30,420 --> 01:03:34,380Yeah, until you register moreand add more and buy more.94701:03:34,860 --> 01:03:38,100Yeah, so this, they're talkingabout what you know, what's good94801:03:38,100 --> 01:03:39,630for business are good for thelistener.94901:03:40,830 --> 01:03:44,130Getting, you know, getting outof the way of all the times, you95001:03:44,130 --> 01:03:46,950know, get let the content shinethrough. It's about the content,95101:03:46,950 --> 01:03:50,430not the chrome or blah, blah,blah. And now there's like 11895201:03:50,460 --> 01:03:52,830built in features in edge. Andit's like, yeah, now what's it95301:03:52,830 --> 01:03:56,580about your icon? Like? It's,well, that's all just want to go95401:03:56,580 --> 01:03:59,160to the sites they go to? Theydon't want your nonsense for95501:03:59,190 --> 01:04:00,120collecting Welcome95601:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,040to capitalism. You know, that'sin a nutshell. What's wrong with95701:04:05,040 --> 01:04:09,600computing, in general, is thatinstead of doing what the best95801:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,900for the users and the customers,they do, what's good for95901:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,530business? And it's this tension,how far can we push? What's good96001:04:16,530 --> 01:04:19,860for our business without pushingaway customers, but it's always96101:04:19,860 --> 01:04:21,930gonna be for what's good for thebusiness?96201:04:22,889 --> 01:04:24,659Yes, no, of course.96301:04:24,899 --> 01:04:29,939Yeah, that's, that's it. Andit's funny because if there's96401:04:29,939 --> 01:04:33,329no, if there's no cliche aboutthis, then there ought to be one96501:04:33,599 --> 01:04:39,929that people kind of people arelike, free market in their 20s.96601:04:39,929 --> 01:04:43,229And they get maybe they get moresocialist as they get older. Or96701:04:43,229 --> 01:04:47,429maybe it's via the other wayaround. The other way around. It96801:04:47,429 --> 01:04:48,779was one or the other, but,96901:04:49,139 --> 01:04:56,039but there's something new goingon here. And and it's this97001:04:56,039 --> 01:04:58,859project in particular, that isnew and I'm I'm just going to97101:04:58,859 --> 01:05:03,689say that it is My belief thatbecause there is a common bond97201:05:04,079 --> 01:05:12,509of value for value where anybodyfrom the person doing chapters,97301:05:12,839 --> 01:05:16,169even some people who comment,you know, we have value splits97401:05:16,169 --> 01:05:21,839for all kinds of people acrossthe board to app developers.97501:05:22,769 --> 01:05:24,809There's, you know, there'sinterest from everybody somehow97601:05:24,809 --> 01:05:29,279I think that's the common bond.Whereas it's, it's capitalism or97701:05:29,279 --> 01:05:35,969its capital, its has capitalistideals, but in a very, for me,97801:05:35,969 --> 01:05:42,599novel way. Does that make sense?Yeah, I think so. I think that's97901:05:42,599 --> 01:05:45,899the difference with our project.Because you're right. I mean, if98001:05:45,899 --> 01:05:49,049we, if we went on got $100million, not hard to do, by the98101:05:49,049 --> 01:05:53,759way, it would have sucked, Imean, it would have fired you.98201:05:53,759 --> 01:05:56,819And I would have been sounhappy, I'll tell you that. I98301:05:56,819 --> 01:05:59,159think I told you that in thebeginning, let's not be unhappy.98401:05:59,159 --> 01:06:00,809Let's do this, do it this way.98501:06:01,469 --> 01:06:04,649And we'll play play clip tocomputing would98601:06:04,650 --> 01:06:09,660be so different. In a worldwhere companies just said, you98701:06:09,660 --> 01:06:13,320know, Jeff Bezos is falsemantra, you know, customer98801:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,440centric. If they just said,Look, we're just going to do98901:06:16,440 --> 01:06:21,540what's right for the customerevery single time. I think it99001:06:21,540 --> 01:06:23,250would be a different experiencesuch99101:06:23,249 --> 01:06:25,109a good story, because they alldo say that.99201:06:25,290 --> 01:06:29,220Yeah, they don't lie. Yeah.Because I mean, for instance,99301:06:29,220 --> 01:06:31,950messaging, a unified allmessaging would talk to all99401:06:31,950 --> 01:06:32,730other message. Yeah.99501:06:33,690 --> 01:06:36,870It's better for Apple'scustomers all messaging is not99601:06:36,870 --> 01:06:40,410unique. No one uses Appleproducts, has friends that don't99701:06:40,410 --> 01:06:41,340use Apple products.99801:06:41,580 --> 01:06:45,330So why would you ever crazy? Howcan you? Droid why would you99901:06:45,330 --> 01:06:49,800ever say it's? So I mean, thereis this kind of, and it's100001:06:49,980 --> 01:06:53,910completely bogus, you utopianvision. But there's this kind of100101:06:53,910 --> 01:06:57,660notion of and, and you know whyit persists is because people100201:06:57,660 --> 01:07:00,870like you and me, Paul are oldenough to remember a day when100301:07:00,870 --> 01:07:04,260computing was a hobbyist thing,not a business thing. It didn't100401:07:04,260 --> 01:07:07,110last very long. But at that, atthat point was very exciting and100501:07:07,110 --> 01:07:10,020interesting. And you felt like,you know, we were working100601:07:10,020 --> 01:07:13,560together. And and then you know,AOL came along?100701:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,900Yeah. Okay. That's the firstthing. We just talked about the100801:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,050hypocritical nature of Mr.Laporte here. Yes. Trying to100901:07:19,050 --> 01:07:22,620avoid that, now that now you canavoid that. I mean, he literally101001:07:22,620 --> 01:07:26,880has named his studio after asoftware package and will and is101101:07:26,910 --> 01:07:30,870unable to talk about anythingelse. I mean, so it's completely101201:07:30,870 --> 01:07:33,660hypocritical, what he's sayinghere, especially for someone101301:07:33,660 --> 01:07:37,140who's supposed to be givingindependent technology, review101401:07:37,170 --> 01:07:48,630reviews and news, etc. So theYeah, it will. Well, the analogy101501:07:48,630 --> 01:07:53,550was good, though. Yeah. BecauseApple computers. And I think we101601:07:53,550 --> 01:07:56,070could if I've never looked at itthis way, but you could probably101701:07:56,070 --> 01:08:01,980map it. They have two types ofaudiences, consumers and101801:08:01,980 --> 01:08:06,270creators. And we have the same,we have listeners and101901:08:06,270 --> 01:08:10,650podcasters. And how to the, theHoly Grail, of course, is to102001:08:10,650 --> 01:08:14,760have those two, interact, Ithink Apple tries to capture102101:08:14,760 --> 01:08:20,700everybody in the ecosystem. Andwe tried to create protocols and102201:08:20,700 --> 01:08:24,870standards that allow that tohappen, such as comments and102301:08:24,870 --> 01:08:29,520booster grams and this kind ofstuff. But it but we do, also,102401:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,820it's very challenging. And Ithink you can often see, when102501:08:32,820 --> 01:08:38,070the creation side of the devteam with an apple is much more102601:08:38,100 --> 01:08:40,680ahead of everything else. Andthey're kind of driving the102701:08:40,680 --> 01:08:45,570innovation, versus when they didFinal Cut Pro 10. And they102801:08:45,570 --> 01:08:48,930fucked it all up. So there wassomeone else was focusing on102901:08:48,930 --> 01:08:52,170something, or, you know, AppleMaps, when it first came out the103001:08:52,170 --> 01:08:55,350new iOS maps, which was adisaster, you know, these are103101:08:55,350 --> 01:08:58,200not typical Apple things. Somaybe they were focusing more on103201:08:58,470 --> 01:09:01,620on the Creator side. So I thinkthat that may be very difficult.103301:09:01,620 --> 01:09:04,530It's hard also for an appdeveloper to think that way for103401:09:04,530 --> 01:09:05,520anybody really.103501:09:06,150 --> 01:09:11,760But when when he was talking inChem, making me think is like,103601:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,360why, why about this tensionbetween doing what's best for103701:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,110your business or doing what'sbest for the customer? And this103801:09:19,110 --> 01:09:25,470sort of balancing act and goingback and forth? Maybe, and this103901:09:25,470 --> 01:09:29,850goes back to podcasting. 2.0Since this, this sort of, little104001:09:29,850 --> 01:09:34,620bit of a theme of of, of episodeis, these is reviewing104101:09:34,620 --> 01:09:40,950ourselves, and looking at thesecriticism. Maybe the answer is104201:09:40,950 --> 01:09:44,490what we're is what we'reactually already the position104301:09:44,490 --> 01:09:48,630we're already in. We don't haveany customers. Maybe the answer104401:09:48,630 --> 01:09:52,830to doing what's best forcustomers is not to have any104501:09:52,830 --> 01:09:53,550customers.104601:09:53,700 --> 01:09:56,550Well, that's the best kind ofbusiness of always. I've always104701:09:56,550 --> 01:09:59,010said we'd have so much fun inthe organization if we didn't104801:09:59,010 --> 01:09:59,970have any customers.104901:10:00,719 --> 01:10:05,129What if we kind of don't? Thisis true the podcasting 2.0105001:10:05,129 --> 01:10:10,199project doesn't have anycustomers to please. What we105101:10:10,199 --> 01:10:19,349have is a vision to satisfy. Nowit means it means that we don't105201:10:19,379 --> 01:10:22,559it means that nobody's gonna getyou know, any money off of this,105301:10:22,559 --> 01:10:27,899but at the same time, that's,that's okay. I mean, like, look105401:10:27,899 --> 01:10:33,059at look at the, you know, early.He's a pining about the early105501:10:33,059 --> 01:10:35,729days or nostalgic for the earlydays of the Internet and105601:10:35,729 --> 01:10:37,859computing. They those guysdidn't make any money either.105701:10:38,520 --> 01:10:43,710Yeah, but let's just let's justapp developers, I would wager105801:10:43,710 --> 01:10:46,200who are doing this now or makingmore money than they made105901:10:46,200 --> 01:10:52,230previously. Which might zero. Itmight have been some106001:10:52,230 --> 01:10:55,980subscriptions on the App Store.But out of the gate, out of the106101:10:55,980 --> 01:11:00,510gate, you can start earningpennies. It's pennies, but out106201:11:00,510 --> 01:11:06,780of the gate. That's unheard of.All right, let's just106301:11:07,500 --> 01:11:12,720put some, yes, let's envision aworld Okay, envision a world106401:11:12,900 --> 01:11:17,640that, let's just say five, 710years from now, who knows when106501:11:17,640 --> 01:11:24,660it is envision this future worldwhere lightning has become boom,106601:11:24,660 --> 01:11:29,190the underlying base protocol forpayments on the internet? Let's106701:11:29,190 --> 01:11:33,240just imagine that this worksout. Lightning is lightning is106801:11:33,240 --> 01:11:40,680the thing. Lots of paymentprocessors begin to do it. I106901:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,610mean, there's this is alreadyhappening. Imagine the feature107001:11:44,610 --> 01:11:50,700let's do it looks like this. Andthen at some point of critical107101:11:50,700 --> 01:11:55,590mass in the future, when thatbegins to happen. Oh, big107201:11:55,590 --> 01:12:00,750players begin to get into this.And then the podcast index, the107301:12:00,750 --> 01:12:06,330smoke, all of us now we're allwe're all crushed. I mean, that107401:12:06,360 --> 01:12:06,570will107501:12:06,570 --> 01:12:09,720be how it how it happens. Whatdo you mean? Crushed? In what107601:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,140way?107701:12:10,410 --> 01:12:15,930I mean, some some big playerwill come in and say like a107801:12:15,930 --> 01:12:19,740YouTube or something is oh,we'll just suck up all the all107901:12:19,740 --> 01:12:22,560the all the data and like, okay,we're you know, we're gonna108001:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,320Oh, you know what? I disagree.But108101:12:25,320 --> 01:12:30,540okay. Me. But I guess in thatworld, the tech, what I'm, what108201:12:30,540 --> 01:12:35,220I'm trying to get at is the techitself would survive. And people108301:12:35,220 --> 01:12:40,500could still Oh, yeah. Make himmake the system work and make108401:12:40,500 --> 01:12:43,110money independently through theapps. I would108501:12:43,110 --> 01:12:46,020love nothing more than someoneto set up a complete competing108601:12:46,020 --> 01:12:49,650podcast index. I'm not sure whatthey would compete with.108701:12:50,670 --> 01:12:53,190But I'd be interesting to seeyour customers. We have zero108801:12:53,190 --> 01:12:53,850customers. No,108901:12:53,850 --> 01:12:56,190ma'am. He's like, What are yougonna do different? You know,109001:12:56,190 --> 01:12:59,430it's like, okay, yeah, maybe?Yeah.109101:12:59,580 --> 01:13:04,470But I guess what I mean, is likethe tech to tech out lives, the109201:13:04,500 --> 01:13:10,200crush stage. And then that goesback to the value of ray that,109301:13:10,260 --> 01:13:15,030you know, would the 1000 truefans still make money even if109401:13:15,030 --> 01:13:20,370some behemoth is also makingmoney? I see recurring. Yeah.109501:13:20,730 --> 01:13:23,610Versus the current scheme whereif the behemoth makes money,109601:13:23,610 --> 01:13:24,030nobody109701:13:24,030 --> 01:13:27,540nobody else makes money. Yes.Yeah. You produce everything you109801:13:27,540 --> 01:13:28,140get nothing.109901:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,460Yes. The Silicon Valley Way.Yeah, you do all the work is110001:13:32,460 --> 01:13:32,730really110101:13:32,730 --> 01:13:37,380good. And we and by the way, weown it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So110201:13:38,730 --> 01:13:43,260yeah, it's, I mean, there's Iwas talking to Dvorak about110301:13:43,260 --> 01:13:45,750this. I said, you know, they'retrying to capture everything.110401:13:46,170 --> 01:13:49,140You know, Hollywood is throwingthe big the big parties the big110501:13:49,140 --> 01:13:53,370awards. You know, look lookwho's who can afford to market110601:13:53,370 --> 01:13:56,160Listen, it's what that's whatyou do. That's what award shows110701:13:56,190 --> 01:14:00,630for that's why I'm against them.And and then to add insult to110801:14:00,660 --> 01:14:10,140injury, you get the the theboard was that the the podcast110901:14:10,140 --> 01:14:13,650Academy board? Well, they'vethey've made some rules. And111001:14:14,700 --> 01:14:19,740yes, the the makeup of the boardhas to be at minimum 40% indie.111101:14:20,130 --> 01:14:26,310Now, I'm like, click. Howinsulting is that? Yeah, first111201:14:26,310 --> 01:14:31,770of all, I hate the term indie.But okay. And 40% I mean, I111301:14:31,770 --> 01:14:34,740don't get it. I do is becausethe Indies got no money. They're111401:14:34,740 --> 01:14:40,050not paying any dues. They're notsponsoring awards. It's also111501:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,710obvious that don't fall for thetrap.111601:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,620About about this one. I likewhat the podcast index is trying111701:14:49,620 --> 01:14:52,170to do. But it's still seems abit complicated for the average111801:14:52,170 --> 01:14:57,090user feels very command line tome rather than a friendly GUI. I111901:14:57,090 --> 01:14:58,110think that's fair. That's112001:14:58,140 --> 01:15:01,860interesting. Well, I know it Allthese criticisms are completely112101:15:01,860 --> 01:15:06,660valid. Absolutely. It makes nosense. I mean, right. And that's112201:15:06,660 --> 01:15:12,240why we've been promoting apps.And I rarely say go to podcast112301:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,540index.org. Unless it's, youknow, to click on the docs or112401:15:15,540 --> 01:15:19,230something like that. I mean,value. My value for value112501:15:19,440 --> 01:15:23,610overview isn't even linked fromfrom the website. Yeah, it's112601:15:23,610 --> 01:15:24,720literally not linked.112701:15:25,170 --> 01:15:28,290The podcast index.org site isnot really for. It's not really112801:15:28,290 --> 01:15:32,370for normies. I mean, though, itcan it can I guess it kinda is.112901:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,270I mean, you could search it113001:15:33,270 --> 01:15:36,090was It wasn't intended that way.But it's, it has, it's an113101:15:36,090 --> 01:15:40,110identity crisis with this, thistool will be fixed. Everything113201:15:40,110 --> 01:15:44,310takes some time. But it's notkilling us. It's not ruining113301:15:44,310 --> 01:15:49,740anything. And I vehementlydisagree that any perception of113401:15:49,740 --> 01:15:53,280me being a money grubbing whore,ruins anything. I also don't113501:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,150think that's true.113601:15:54,690 --> 01:15:57,900No, and I don't know there.That's what I said the other113701:15:57,900 --> 01:16:00,300day. I mean, there's like,you've been in the public acids,113801:16:00,300 --> 01:16:02,730you're 19 years old, there'sgonna you're gonna have enemies113901:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,820and they're gonna be vocal, andhe can't You can't get around.114001:16:05,850 --> 01:16:09,030Well, the enemy seems to becrypto or Bitcoin, not me.114101:16:09,510 --> 01:16:13,410Crypto, crypto, and Bitcoinseems to be the enemy. That's114201:16:13,410 --> 01:16:14,850what people are complainingabout?114301:16:15,540 --> 01:16:18,540Well, we'll just we'll just,we'll just get all the Bitcoin114401:16:18,540 --> 01:16:21,840people together, get them all tochange to proof of stake and114501:16:21,840 --> 01:16:22,500it's all fixed.114601:16:24,330 --> 01:16:28,800Done. And, you know, and that'snot to be this one other thing.114701:16:29,490 --> 01:16:32,910There's a community that hasgrabbed on to our apps and our114801:16:32,910 --> 01:16:38,820services. You may not agree withBitcoin, you may not agree with114901:16:38,850 --> 01:16:41,880with what they're talking about,but they're using our stuff.115001:16:43,740 --> 01:16:49,290Now, when it comes apps, I mean,I I had a really enjoyable time115101:16:49,290 --> 01:16:55,050listening to the the LinuxJournal to Linux unplugged I115201:16:55,050 --> 01:17:00,090guess it is, Oh, yeah. Oh, man.It's like, it's one of the few115301:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,570outside podcasts outside of ourkind of group of people. I know,115401:17:03,570 --> 01:17:06,060because I listened to him. Butthey're they really they're115501:17:06,060 --> 01:17:09,990really serious about value forvalue. And they they fill out a115601:17:09,990 --> 01:17:11,790lot of 2.0 tags.115701:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,900Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they'rethey've they've really adopted115801:17:15,900 --> 01:17:20,520the full the full thing. And Ithink it's because it's because115901:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,390they're concerned about thefuture of the podcast industry116001:17:24,390 --> 01:17:27,630as we know it. I mean, there arethere are, there is a real116101:17:27,630 --> 01:17:31,260concern that in independentpodcasters116201:17:33,390 --> 01:17:36,030Yeah, it'll be either it'll beassimilate with the board or116301:17:36,030 --> 01:17:40,170die, you know. Mm hmm. So DeVoreAqua saying they can't do it.116401:17:40,170 --> 01:17:44,460You guys already broke that. AndI didn't ask him to expand, but116501:17:44,460 --> 01:17:45,660I think he thought about it.116601:17:48,060 --> 01:17:52,230Let's go so kind of proud. Yeah.No, I mean, that's, that's,116701:17:52,410 --> 01:17:53,610we've crossed the Rubicon116801:17:54,090 --> 01:17:56,220as far as we really have. Yeah,we really?116901:17:58,710 --> 01:18:00,150Do we want to thank some people.Yes,117001:18:00,150 --> 01:18:01,380I think that's a good idea.117101:18:01,830 --> 01:18:03,180You gotta get some sleepbrother.117201:18:03,330 --> 01:18:08,550Night, I got four hours of besthave to spin off. Dad, you know,117301:18:08,580 --> 01:18:10,410this way to keep tellingteenagers like it's rock and117401:18:10,410 --> 01:18:13,920roll man, what happened to you?Come on, we got a show in117501:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,220Philly, get on the bus, we gotsome coke to do. On the way117601:18:17,220 --> 01:18:18,150there. Let's go,117701:18:18,180 --> 01:18:19,680let's go where the girls.117801:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,480Yes value for value, the entireproject is value for value,117901:18:24,480 --> 01:18:27,240think we've been very clear whyand how that works. And we need118001:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,790as much help as we can get. Andyou can do that in many118101:18:29,790 --> 01:18:32,670different ways. As long as itstill works. We of course,118201:18:32,670 --> 01:18:36,360appreciate your pay pal Fiatfund coupons. It's an easy way118301:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,110to set up recurring donations.And we have a lot of those118401:18:40,110 --> 01:18:44,460that's a lot we have, we havesome even $5 a month makes a big118501:18:44,460 --> 01:18:47,190difference sauce. That's athat's a server that does very118601:18:47,190 --> 01:18:51,150specific tasks. But the beautyof the value for value model is118701:18:51,150 --> 01:18:55,320you can put anything downwhatever the value is to you.118801:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,580And that's what makes it so, soappropriate for exactly what118901:18:59,580 --> 01:19:03,330we're doing it. Some people maynot value this and I don't even119001:19:03,330 --> 01:19:05,850know why you're listening. Andif you are, it's got to be119101:19:06,330 --> 01:19:08,850you've got at least beenentertained, informed, or119201:19:08,850 --> 01:19:14,070annoyed. We we love hate boosts.So you can do that with a modern119301:19:14,070 --> 01:19:18,900podcast app, new podcastapps.com. Or you can also go to119401:19:18,900 --> 01:19:21,450podcast index.org. So you canfind the donate button at the119501:19:21,450 --> 01:19:27,000bottom along with a QR code fortally coin to send us some on119601:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,040chain Satoshis119701:19:30,210 --> 01:19:35,070I just like the word on chain.This sounds like a metal band.119801:19:36,750 --> 01:19:38,190On chain. Yeah.119901:19:39,180 --> 01:19:40,440Hello, Philadelphia.120001:19:41,370 --> 01:19:50,190We just got off the bus. Meetour girls. Yo yo, do we thank120101:19:50,190 --> 01:19:50,700him today,120201:19:51,000 --> 01:19:57,900sir Shaun of the AlleghenyValley 1000 SATs. Let's see. He120301:19:57,900 --> 01:19:58,890says first boost120401:19:58,950 --> 01:20:01,530go Welcome to the club.120501:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,080I just, I just did a boost dump.120601:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,310Email. This is a new term aboost dump.120701:20:08,670 --> 01:20:12,660Yeah. Like, I run the script, Igive it a time code of the last120801:20:12,660 --> 01:20:15,390show. And then it just gives meevery boost that happens since120901:20:15,390 --> 01:20:18,210that time code. It just goesboop, boop, boop boop boop, it121001:20:18,210 --> 01:20:21,270just pops all into my email. Sothis is this is I just did121101:20:21,270 --> 01:20:23,790it. It's, it's, it's quite adeluge.121201:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,320Yes. So I'm getting I'm doingthis in real time. Oh, well,121301:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,810let's do pen pals for okay.We're getting we're getting out.121401:20:30,810 --> 01:20:35,880Yeah. Dred Scott $15. And these,this is a monthly. Thank you.121501:20:36,480 --> 01:20:40,500Thank you drip is a little outof order because of the nature121601:20:40,500 --> 01:20:44,190of things but Jeff Miller $20That's a monthly Thank you,121701:20:44,190 --> 01:20:51,120Jeff. Very much appreciated.Michael Kimmer $5.33 He's long.121801:20:51,690 --> 01:20:55,320Been monthly for a long time.Lesley Martin $2. Thank you,121901:20:55,320 --> 01:21:02,040Leslie. See Pedro gon. calvus.Also longtime for $5. Very long.122001:21:02,040 --> 01:21:09,510Thank you. Yep. Aaron Reno. $5as a monthly and the last one.122101:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,300Oh, this was a single, not amonthly $10. No note from Jesse122201:21:15,300 --> 01:21:18,870Hunter. Thank you, Jessie.You're very much. Yes, those are122301:21:18,989 --> 01:21:20,249those are all our monthly fees.122401:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,730Those are monthly. Yeah. Thoseare the monthly they hit this122501:21:23,730 --> 01:21:30,180week and then one new like onetime. Okay. donation in the122601:21:30,180 --> 01:21:36,270restroom boosts. See? This iswhere it gets confusing is to122701:21:36,270 --> 01:21:40,170figure out when they originallycame in. I think some of these122801:21:40,170 --> 01:21:45,060may have been live last week.But there was a 3333 from cotton122901:21:45,060 --> 01:21:48,990Janee said we're lit I don'tthink I heard you123001:21:49,890 --> 01:21:53,280know I don't think so. Well Thisof course was lit in in context123101:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,930of the live item tag when yourpodcast goes lit we're not live123201:21:57,930 --> 01:22:00,060this time we know thank God123301:22:02,070 --> 01:22:09,750let's see. Oh David made us 3369there Curio Castro and he says123401:22:09,750 --> 01:22:11,730I'm doing my duty and boost forhumanity.123501:22:13,230 --> 01:22:14,340Thank you very much.123601:22:15,420 --> 01:22:22,140Boost see oh, yeah, we did weread this one about from Sir123701:22:22,140 --> 01:22:28,320Spencer about the Bitcoin blockparty in Kansas City. Abel, Abel123801:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,620Kirby and I will be evangelizingpodcasting 2.0 and other digital123901:22:31,620 --> 01:22:35,070content over value for value atthe KC Bitcoin block124001:22:35,070 --> 01:22:36,810party. Yes. Yeah, we did. Wedid.124101:22:36,870 --> 01:22:40,980It's Westport, Kansas. KansasCity. Cool. Yeah,124201:22:41,010 --> 01:22:43,170very cool. On April the 24th.124301:22:45,600 --> 01:22:51,600Is that once we did that onecame into thanks again day for124401:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,980swapping our feed to the newone. We already do that. They124501:22:55,980 --> 01:23:01,530don't see these. The timestampsget funky on these because they124601:23:01,530 --> 01:23:04,440don't really match up because Iknow, you124701:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,380know, there's this really cooltool called heli pad and it124801:23:07,380 --> 01:23:11,850doesn't export in Excel. Haveyou heard of it? You can run it124901:23:11,850 --> 01:23:12,630on your Umbral.125001:23:13,650 --> 01:23:19,560I've not heard of that. I'lllook into it. Harv had 5000 SATs125101:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,110through courier caster and hesays tipping gets lower wages125201:23:22,110 --> 01:23:25,140for waiters and waitressesacross the USA even still today.125301:23:25,230 --> 01:23:32,010That's right. That's right.whooshed. Chris, you know, gave125401:23:32,010 --> 01:23:34,920us 1000 SATs through fountainand he says a great example here125501:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,370is tipping the dealer in poker.You only tip just after you want125601:23:38,370 --> 01:23:42,000a hand which greatly increasesthe size of the tips as you're125701:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,760in good in a good mood whiledeciding how much to tip.125801:23:44,790 --> 01:23:47,910Yes, this was part of our valuefor value conversation125901:23:48,420 --> 01:23:51,810about timing and bringing,bringing the donation into the126001:23:51,810 --> 01:23:55,260into the actual experience.Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a good126101:23:55,260 --> 01:24:00,690point. Mint lion. This is a newone. I've not heard this name126201:24:00,690 --> 01:24:10,230before. Row ducks. 2222 Oh, allright. Thank you Drew Brees and126301:24:10,230 --> 01:24:13,440he says Jonathan Edwards betterwatches bag Dr. Dave is gunning126401:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,650for that top Americanphilosopher spot. Mere Mortals126501:24:16,650 --> 01:24:18,420book reviews. Okay.126601:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,030With ease. See?126701:24:22,170 --> 01:24:26,910Oh, this might be our this mightbe the baller. Look through the126801:24:26,910 --> 01:24:33,270list here. Yeah, yes. Ballerbooster here. 77 777 Whoa,126901:24:33,300 --> 01:24:35,730hold on a second. Who is this?Steve127001:24:35,730 --> 01:24:37,410Webb podcaster.127101:24:37,440 --> 01:24:42,420Shot Carla 20 is Blaze own I amPaula g god caster127201:24:42,780 --> 01:24:46,080OG God. Kastri says Steve gavethat through fountain and he127301:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,320says as an OG podcaster. Icompletely agree with you, Adam.127401:24:49,620 --> 01:24:52,620Comments booster grams should beseparated in my opinion. There's127501:24:52,620 --> 01:24:55,890an assumption that booster gramsare directed to the podcaster127601:24:55,950 --> 01:24:59,100not the public. Just my twocents. I have received booster127701:24:59,100 --> 01:25:01,860grants that I know would nothave been sent had the sender127801:25:01,860 --> 01:25:05,100thought they would becomepublic. Right Lifespring family127901:25:05,100 --> 01:25:11,550Audio Bible at at audio Bibledot link where we are reading128001:25:11,550 --> 01:25:14,220through the entire Bible in oneyear join us.128101:25:14,670 --> 01:25:17,460I've actually listened to acouple episodes. Well of course128201:25:17,460 --> 01:25:20,910I've listened to two episodesmany many times, but I recently128301:25:21,000 --> 01:25:25,680started listening. He's got agreat voice. He does. I thought128401:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,170he was a pastor, but he's notjust128501:25:28,440 --> 01:25:32,010just a podcaster just Godcaster, just God caster. Thank128601:25:32,010 --> 01:25:39,690you, Steve. Appreciate that. SirBrian of London. He says,128701:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,740Let me guess. 1948 And he said Isee a button.128801:25:44,940 --> 01:25:52,170I saw it and he pushed it.Thanks, bro. Let's see. Roy Roy128901:25:52,170 --> 01:25:55,620Schonfeld. 54321 Who129001:25:55,650 --> 01:25:59,520Roy Thank you, brother. Does hehave a note?129101:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,180Answer through breezy says Adam.You're an inspiration heart.129201:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,220Oh, oh,129301:26:05,640 --> 01:26:11,940I love Roy. Oh, how you doingbooster. Huh? Oh, Roy. Follow up129401:26:11,940 --> 01:26:16,800again. With 10,000 SATs. He saysDave blew my mind. Oh.129501:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,770Oh, he came back with a secondboost.129601:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,170I must have blown his mind.Well, it's129701:26:22,170 --> 01:26:25,200because you laid some cool lastphilosophy crap on everybody.129801:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,670Brother that was hardcore. Stickaround Roy was it was deep.129901:26:31,230 --> 01:26:35,280Yep. See, Master. That's a newone. 333 SATs through fountain130001:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,100and he says greetings fromAmsterdam. Yeah. Greetings.130101:26:38,130 --> 01:26:39,240Hello, Amsterdam.130201:26:40,620 --> 01:26:41,340Amsterdam.130301:26:42,330 --> 01:26:43,830We just got in from Philly.130401:26:45,930 --> 01:26:49,890Andy flattery. 2000 Sassy sayspod father. Yes. The guy who130501:26:49,890 --> 01:26:53,070made the original stacker newspost coming around coming130601:26:53,070 --> 01:26:55,050around. Sorry for all the drama.Oh.130701:26:56,250 --> 01:27:00,690You wrote the value for value iscurry wrong post? Yeah, yeah,130801:27:00,690 --> 01:27:02,160yeah. Oh, that's cute.130901:27:02,460 --> 01:27:04,710Um, the guy who made theoriginal stacker nice post. I'm131001:27:04,710 --> 01:27:06,570coming around. Sorry for all thetrolls. Oh,131101:27:06,570 --> 01:27:09,570that's okay. Man know that. Hey,it got a good car. It was at131201:27:09,570 --> 01:27:12,090least 25 minutes of content.That's appreciated.131301:27:12,690 --> 01:27:18,540Totally. Yeah. Oscar, thefountain boosts are coming in131401:27:18,540 --> 01:27:23,700with the with the Unicode allmessed up. We got to figure out131501:27:23,700 --> 01:27:26,880how to fix that. If you if youknow about that bug, I think you131601:27:26,880 --> 01:27:33,540do. Anyway. See, Thank you,Andy. Appreciate that. CASB Lind131701:27:33,870 --> 01:27:40,2001000 SATs they found an he saysdo what what does he say? Do a131801:27:40,410 --> 01:27:46,350gas show I'm sorry. What? Do agasps show? I'm sorry to say131901:27:46,350 --> 01:27:52,020without Adam. next two weeks. Isthis this? This seems like132001:27:52,650 --> 01:27:54,750transliterated Dutch intoEnglish.132101:27:54,780 --> 01:27:57,420Yeah, he's I guess he's sayinghow do I have a guest do the132201:27:57,420 --> 01:27:57,840show?132301:27:59,490 --> 01:28:00,300Oh, okay.132401:28:00,360 --> 01:28:04,890I think I think he said fuck outthem in Dutch. Just bring it132501:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,800just bring a guest in who givesa crap about that guy. You can132601:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,010do it. You can do a Dave Jones.Yeah, you're the sage132701:28:11,040 --> 01:28:15,960pig. This pig Dutch is with itis Dutch. Yeah. Thanks for the132801:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,680boots, man. Yeah, thanks cast.Oh, yeah, here it comes again.132901:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,8601000 says Cast painless. Theyfound he says haha, rolling the133001:28:22,860 --> 01:28:31,680dice with the curtains closed.Okay. 1000 says from CAST133101:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,470peeling. Again, he says theproblem with boost versus133201:28:34,470 --> 01:28:37,650comments and fountain was thedefault public boost. The133301:28:37,650 --> 01:28:40,740options should be default off Iwould think love the boost133401:28:40,740 --> 01:28:47,430segment value for value. Thankyou very much. See, we get next.133501:28:49,590 --> 01:28:55,170See 2020 to 148 from Brian ofLondon and the hive da Oh.133601:28:55,770 --> 01:29:00,540Oh, that's, that's the regulardonation coming through is is133701:29:00,540 --> 01:29:01,770Transmogrifier133801:29:02,070 --> 01:29:08,340B. They see. Okay, so this isthis is the the V for V app.133901:29:08,340 --> 01:29:11,610That's that's the Rube Goldbergmachine. Yeah, it says a weekly134001:29:11,610 --> 01:29:15,270$10 V four v donation convertedto SATs from Brian of London and134101:29:15,270 --> 01:29:18,060the hive DHF da Oh gopodcasting?134201:29:18,090 --> 01:29:22,590Go podcasting? Indeed. Thankyou, Brian.134301:29:23,010 --> 01:29:28,440Yeah, thanks, Brian. 49,000 SATsfrom Auburn Citadel to fountain.134401:29:28,860 --> 01:29:32,130He says the pod stage is livingup to his name when Dave Jones134501:29:32,130 --> 01:29:39,270philosophy when the Dave Jonesphilosophy podcast Thank you.134601:29:39,270 --> 01:29:39,630Thank you.134701:29:39,870 --> 01:29:41,850That was nice. It would be abombshell.134801:29:42,990 --> 01:29:45,540Oh, I got a different one. Doyou see the ISO there?134901:29:46,170 --> 01:29:51,930Sure do. Let me give it a whirl.One cop Cole woke up call. I135001:29:51,930 --> 01:29:53,820like that. That's a good one.135101:29:54,599 --> 01:29:59,669See? The mozzie give us 12,345stats. Thank you, Brian.135201:29:59,999 --> 01:30:05,969fountain and he says, boost.Oops, boost. As always, thanks135301:30:05,969 --> 01:30:09,389for the show and all the work.Is there a new SATs equivalent135401:30:09,389 --> 01:30:12,389for the podcasting 2.0 t shirt?I think it used to be like135501:30:12,389 --> 01:30:16,889200,000 SATs with the change 225Is it now? 250 or something135601:30:16,889 --> 01:30:19,379else? I don't know. It's amoving target. Right?135701:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,240It is a moving target. There wasa thread about this and I have135801:30:24,240 --> 01:30:28,410to say there's a couple a coupleof apps I think it may be curio135901:30:28,410 --> 01:30:33,150caster was a couple of apps thatthat do fiyat translations.136001:30:33,900 --> 01:30:37,440That's kind of handy. I rememberwe talked about this at the very136101:30:37,440 --> 01:30:40,080beginning. And there was a lotof, I think, was mainly the136201:30:40,080 --> 01:30:44,700Sphinx guys like not we do SATsonly SATs only SATs No, no fiyat136301:30:44,700 --> 01:30:49,170numbers. I think that wouldactually help. It might help get136401:30:49,170 --> 01:30:54,540us more money. People peoplerealize that 1000 SATs is you136501:30:54,540 --> 01:30:59,310know it's true it's allappreciated. And if it's just136601:30:59,310 --> 01:31:00,930for quick comment of course136701:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,699well here the podcasters thatmake you know that are making136801:31:05,699 --> 01:31:09,689money from the from the fromvalue value in the app. They136901:31:09,689 --> 01:31:14,159seem to talk about that ofcourse remind them and remind137001:31:14,159 --> 01:31:17,909their listeners of the you knowthe correlation there and what137101:31:17,909 --> 01:31:18,029I've137201:31:18,030 --> 01:31:19,980heard I think that seems likesomething that I've heard137301:31:19,980 --> 01:31:22,620podcasters and listeners askedfor like137401:31:24,600 --> 01:31:29,700just decide the website USDsat.com That is a really I mean137501:31:29,700 --> 01:31:32,610that just tells you straight upwhat the current conversion is.137601:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,680Yeah, thanks. Thanks very much.I'm not sure what it's just a137701:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,920moving target. Yeah and theextra costs is just because we137801:31:41,010 --> 01:31:43,530they're nicer T shirts now andthat the fulfillment cost more.137901:31:43,890 --> 01:31:51,720Yeah. See Thank you Ed jauntyMs. At road ducks 2222 They138001:31:51,720 --> 01:32:00,660breeze. Thank you very much. Hesays now with 128 characters138101:32:04,320 --> 01:32:05,640I'm breeze That's right.138201:32:05,700 --> 01:32:09,960That's right. Dred Scott godsonas 1000 says as a test I don't138301:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,880know what he's testing butappreciate that test.138401:32:15,570 --> 01:32:18,660That's a test. He's probablytesting his own thing. Hey, man,138501:32:18,660 --> 01:32:22,710let me see if I get my SATs.That's I do that all the time.138601:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,670Hey, there I haven't no sat noboost since for three hours. Let138701:32:26,670 --> 01:32:29,190me just boost let me I'm worriedLet me test boost.138801:32:30,899 --> 01:32:34,319Here's some stats for all yourSE. Oh, this is from Jordan138901:32:34,319 --> 01:32:39,029Harding. Another new name, butnot new boosters lately. 5000139001:32:39,029 --> 01:32:41,819SATs they found and he sayshere's some stats for all of139101:32:41,819 --> 01:32:43,499your genius Dave. Oh, wow.139201:32:44,430 --> 01:32:45,420Yay.139301:32:47,399 --> 01:32:56,609See? Thank you. Nicholas. Be 58Okay, through fountain 2100 SATs139401:32:56,609 --> 01:33:03,209and he says do not just standthere. Boost. Boost. Great139501:33:03,209 --> 01:33:05,879episode. I love what you'redoing. Keep it up for a better139601:33:05,879 --> 01:33:10,019future. Oh, thank you. Thankyou. That's a great note. Got139701:33:10,019 --> 01:33:16,109two more. Wait no, no, we've gotYeah, got three more. I'm sorry.139801:33:16,979 --> 01:33:19,949Oh, you know what's messing meup here is we're doing it a day139901:33:19,949 --> 01:33:22,589early. So there's no CSB. I waslooking at you know,140001:33:22,590 --> 01:33:26,700it's funny you say that becauseI wrote down that this in CSV140101:33:26,700 --> 01:33:31,830probably doesn't know that we'rethat we're recording right now.140201:33:31,860 --> 01:33:34,650I was going to give him afreebie and say remember to140301:33:34,650 --> 01:33:41,580listen to AI cooking with pubowner and poet laureate noble.140401:33:43,350 --> 01:33:45,390Somebody some force?140501:33:45,450 --> 01:33:54,060Well, yes, exactly. Dynamite.Yes. It's a great pot. Yo. By140601:33:54,060 --> 01:33:59,190the way, the recall value ofvalue for value advertising is140701:33:59,190 --> 01:34:03,030off the charts, man. Everybodyknows the ads. They can recall140801:34:03,030 --> 01:34:03,990him like crazy.140901:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,230Dr. Dub gave us 10,000 sets.We're talking this is nice.141001:34:10,350 --> 01:34:15,330Yeah. You found and he said inhis message is Dr. dub, dub.141101:34:16,020 --> 01:34:20,160Like get stuff from theshameless self promotion. boost141201:34:20,970 --> 01:34:27,630up. Pot. Podcasting legend DaveJackson 10,000 SATs. medic. He141301:34:27,630 --> 01:34:30,690says love the philosophy talkfrom Professor Jones go141401:34:30,690 --> 01:34:32,340podcasting podcast.141501:34:33,180 --> 01:34:36,750I think we need to have more ofthat. David. You're a big hit.141601:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,830Yeah, clearly kid with theboosters and driving boosts your141701:34:40,830 --> 01:34:41,940breakout booster hit141801:34:43,950 --> 01:34:49,140top of the charts. Kevin Bay 500sets to fountain and he says141901:34:49,140 --> 01:34:51,540trying to catch up on what'sgoing on and thoroughly enjoying142001:34:51,540 --> 01:34:56,400the conversation with Gigi. Keepup the great work. And that's142101:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,450it. That's our group.142201:34:57,930 --> 01:35:01,110Very good group. Thank you allso much. much for supporting142301:35:01,110 --> 01:35:04,230podcasts in 2.0 If no one everquestions if this value for142401:35:04,230 --> 01:35:10,710value thing works, I don't knowyou're soaking in it maj I'm142501:35:10,710 --> 01:35:14,010just saying it seems to keep theproject alive.142601:35:14,309 --> 01:35:16,139Yes. Philosophy podcast.142701:35:17,550 --> 01:35:22,080Value for value philosophypodcast with Dave Jones. I want142801:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,130to do all the imaging for142901:35:23,130 --> 01:35:28,770you. But speaking of philosophy,a buddy of mine, Jordan Peterson143001:35:28,770 --> 01:35:33,210was here in town in Birmingham.Oh, this right here. Yeah, and,143101:35:33,630 --> 01:35:37,620and a friend of mine went andsaw him and said it was just143201:35:37,620 --> 01:35:41,310horrible breeze. It was awful.Yeah. He said the tickets were143301:35:41,310 --> 01:35:48,510$150 Dying Gina number one here.And he said it was like a little143401:35:48,510 --> 01:35:52,380bit of Jordan Peterson and thenjust some other person. Like143501:35:52,380 --> 01:35:55,200doing a whole bunch. It wasalmost like Jordan Peterson143601:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,960presents. Jordan Peterson. Youknow, it was just this kind of143701:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,060weird. He said it was just aterrible time.143801:36:00,090 --> 01:36:02,700That's interesting. So it wasn'treally Jordan Peterson just143901:36:02,700 --> 01:36:04,980doing his podcast, whicheverybody loves him for?144001:36:05,250 --> 01:36:09,330Yeah, I don't think so. It'slike, it seems like he may be. I144101:36:09,330 --> 01:36:11,790don't know. Reading his own newsa little bit too much. Maybe.144201:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,120Huh. I wonder what that I'llhave to look and see how the144301:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,730tours build. I didn't realizethat he had someone else doing144401:36:17,730 --> 01:36:19,620stuff. That's interesting. Hewas144501:36:19,620 --> 01:36:23,640weird at just a heads up in caseI mean, anybody gets a hankering144601:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,220to go see him. This doesn'tsound like it's worth the144701:36:26,280 --> 01:36:33,510expensive ticket. Ah, you gottaget going, bro. Man. Yeah, I144801:36:33,510 --> 01:36:39,360guess so. Gotta get moving here.Man. Yeah. So I can't even I was144901:36:39,360 --> 01:36:43,770going to tell you about my ideafor distributed Wikipedia. Oh,145001:36:45,540 --> 01:36:51,540yeah. Four hours later, I'vejust I'm just saying I got145101:36:51,540 --> 01:36:55,560ideas. But there's also so muchwe have to do with podcasting to145201:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,190point out I'm I remainincredibly enthusiastic. The145301:36:59,190 --> 01:37:03,960YouTube news for me is it's it'sreally glorious because I want145401:37:03,960 --> 01:37:09,690to see them do something and andthe inevitable will happen. I145501:37:09,690 --> 01:37:13,170have time. I'm very, verypatient. And you know, it took145601:37:13,170 --> 01:37:16,890many many years until serialbrought podcasting one Dotto to145701:37:16,890 --> 01:37:19,740the forefront at the rightmoment. So this will happen.145801:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,660This will all happen at theright time.145901:37:21,930 --> 01:37:25,320My Favorite Comment on Twitterthis past week was Yeah,146001:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,930remember the last time Googlewanted everybody to put their146101:37:27,930 --> 01:37:31,110RSS feed into one of theirproducts? Yeah, that turned out146201:37:31,140 --> 01:37:34,290was that Brian of London? Thatwas it. I don't know. I don't146301:37:34,290 --> 01:37:35,340remember. It should be.146401:37:36,240 --> 01:37:40,170He knows he knows. Yep. Ourbrother. No, you got some crazy146501:37:40,170 --> 01:37:43,290weeks coming up and the boardmeeting next week? We'll do once146601:37:43,350 --> 01:37:47,160I get back Friday night so we'lldo a Saturday. Yeah, sounds146701:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,190good. I'm sure it'll be cruisingalong checking stuff out. You146801:37:50,190 --> 01:37:53,370know, make sure you kick me offthe social when I'm posting too146901:37:53,370 --> 01:37:54,330much from vacation.147001:37:55,140 --> 01:37:57,690Oh, no. Yeah, if you if youstart to break protocol, I'm147101:37:57,690 --> 01:37:59,340gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna smackyou down.147201:37:59,399 --> 01:38:02,129Okay. All right, brother. Gethome to your family. Get out of147301:38:02,129 --> 01:38:05,069that office. Yeah, man. On theway out. Could you check the147401:38:05,069 --> 01:38:06,179print spooler for me?147501:38:06,540 --> 01:38:09,000No, she has taken the fridge147601:38:11,340 --> 01:38:14,010that's it. Everybody,podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back147701:38:14,040 --> 01:38:32,700next week. Join us have a greatweekend. You have been listening147801:38:32,700 --> 01:38:38,850to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast.For more information.147901:38:40,470 --> 01:38:41,610Cool, woke148001:38:41,610 --> 01:38:42,540up cool.