Episode 79: Users and Developers Partying Together

100:00:00,690 --> 00:00:05,640podcasting 2.0 for March25 2022, episode 79 users and200:00:05,640 --> 00:00:12,030developers partying togetherHello, everybody. Welcome to the300:00:12,060 --> 00:00:15,300official board meeting forpodcasting. 2.0 everything400:00:15,300 --> 00:00:19,230happening in podcast index.org,the podcast namespace, and of500:00:19,230 --> 00:00:22,800course, podcast index dotsocial. I'm Adam curry here in600:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,340the heart of the Texas HillCountry and in Alabama, the man700:00:26,340 --> 00:00:29,490who can redirect anything to thecorrect destination, my friend800:00:29,490 --> 00:00:32,580on the other end, ladies andgentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.900:00:33,900 --> 00:00:37,260Barely got that title in. Imean, you had to work at it. Get1000:00:37,260 --> 00:00:38,130it in under the head.1100:00:38,370 --> 00:00:41,430But I did it. I did it. I hitthe postman. Your break?1200:00:41,820 --> 00:00:44,550He squeezed it right. No, you'rea pro. You squeezed it right in1300:00:44,550 --> 00:00:46,470there. Like she shot the gap.1400:00:46,530 --> 00:00:47,910Just a shot. But yeah.1500:00:49,500 --> 00:00:53,190I mean, you're, you're an old D,you know, experienced DJ, so you1600:00:53,190 --> 00:00:54,180know how to shoot the gap1700:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,270was called hitting the postshooting the gap is a term I've,1800:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,670although I will use it from nowon1900:01:00,570 --> 00:01:01,380gap juice.2000:01:03,930 --> 00:01:10,650Good gap juice. Yes, indeed. Andwe are live. Right now. You're2100:01:10,650 --> 00:01:16,350using a 2.0 app that understandsthe brand new lived. What do we2200:01:16,350 --> 00:01:16,980call this?2300:01:18,750 --> 00:01:21,330The live item tag? Yeah, butthat's not2400:01:21,330 --> 00:01:24,270a very sexy marketing term. I'mthinking you know, something2500:01:24,270 --> 00:01:31,740that people were grabbed ontolike, podcast live or? What?2600:01:31,740 --> 00:01:37,500Huh? We need to come up withsomething. It needs to be called2700:01:37,500 --> 00:01:41,580something. Not not the live pod.LIVE TAG2800:01:41,610 --> 00:01:45,450live item. The live. Open anglebracket.2900:01:45,479 --> 00:01:49,439Well, hold on a second. You knowwhat live item tag is a great3000:01:49,439 --> 00:01:50,099acronym.3100:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,950For what lit?3200:01:54,630 --> 00:01:59,070Show? It's podcast with baby.It's live items. I'm writing3300:01:59,070 --> 00:01:59,640that one down.3400:01:59,670 --> 00:02:00,990I got to work on that genius.3500:02:02,190 --> 00:02:06,750item tag. Live. Yeah, you'relit. Baby. You're lit.3600:02:07,050 --> 00:02:10,500In when you when somebodyimplements the live item that no3700:02:10,500 --> 00:02:11,370show is lit.3800:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,000Yes, exactly. And you know, liveis the whole thing. I think it3900:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,140works. I think it works.4000:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,330And I'm where I'm with you. Andwhat two things I've discovered4100:02:21,330 --> 00:02:21,810this week.4200:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,030Okay. It was pretty slow week,actually.4300:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,380Yes. I discovered two thingsthat are very important. Number4400:02:31,380 --> 00:02:39,450one. Comments make people angry.systems make people angry. And4500:02:39,630 --> 00:02:43,920cryptocurrency makes peopleangry. Yes. So when you marry4600:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,950the two together, it's it's abeautiful development.4700:02:47,970 --> 00:02:51,150It is. Well, I don't think angryis the right term.4800:02:51,810 --> 00:02:56,220I wish it was a little bit I wastriggered. You Oh, you are true.4900:02:56,220 --> 00:02:56,640Yeah,5000:02:56,670 --> 00:03:00,030I was triggered. I personallywas like a hairpin on a 50 Cal5100:03:00,030 --> 00:03:01,200baby, I was triggered.5200:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,280Due to you talking gun told nowthat you're in Texas,5300:03:05,970 --> 00:03:12,240too. You know, I've learned alot through therapy. This is5400:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,030what three marriages will do.You know, it's like you go to5500:03:15,030 --> 00:03:17,340therapy, and you learn a lot ofstuff. And you've learned mainly5600:03:17,340 --> 00:03:20,370about yourself. And what I'velearned is that it's much more5700:03:20,370 --> 00:03:23,670useful to find out why I'mresponding to something the way5800:03:23,670 --> 00:03:27,120I am then issue itself. Becausethen from there, everything kind5900:03:27,120 --> 00:03:32,340of flows. Makes sense? Yeah,yeah. And so do you mind if I,6000:03:32,910 --> 00:03:36,510if I go down the path of of myprocess?6100:03:36,839 --> 00:03:39,419No, please. Do you have thefloor? Yes.6200:03:39,450 --> 00:03:43,080Maybe we should explain whatthis is about before I before I6300:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,820jump into it. Could you give usthe timeline? From your6400:03:47,820 --> 00:03:50,040viewpoint? Because mine I'm sureis slanted.6500:03:50,820 --> 00:03:55,980And we're talking here about thecome about the commenting. Draw6600:03:55,980 --> 00:04:00,960drama that unfolded? It willI'll let me say it this way.6700:04:00,960 --> 00:04:08,370First, let me preface it withthis. I will say in past open6800:04:08,370 --> 00:04:13,500source projects that I've beeninvolved in. And I've been6900:04:13,500 --> 00:04:20,910involved in a few. The typicalway this goes down is somebody7000:04:20,910 --> 00:04:24,330has a disagreement with the waythings should be implemented or7100:04:24,330 --> 00:04:31,320designed. Another personresponds to that to that7200:04:31,320 --> 00:04:38,010disagreement. The vehementlywith their own an alternate take7300:04:38,940 --> 00:04:44,880a flame war ensues. And theneverybody gets pissed off and7400:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,870leaves and forks the project.That's typically that is7500:04:48,870 --> 00:04:51,210typically the experience thathappens and you can look at7600:04:51,210 --> 00:04:56,160every open source project. Andknow maybe not everyone but lots7700:04:56,190 --> 00:05:02,550and lots of them. Next thingslike next Cloud, at some point,7800:05:03,540 --> 00:05:08,370people always get pissed off andwant to fork and leave. In fact,7900:05:08,370 --> 00:05:09,150you act,8000:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,910I was just gonna say you and Ihave both been involved with my8100:05:11,910 --> 00:05:16,110dog is just barking for a secondhave both been involved in in8200:05:16,110 --> 00:05:19,440projects where the personrunning the project literally8300:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,200would shut down the server andthen you know, close the mail8400:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,580list not talking anybody faraway go here for a week without8500:05:26,580 --> 00:05:29,640any notice. Just like what whathappened, it just all sudden,8600:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,540the server's gone.8700:05:31,140 --> 00:05:35,940This, the fact that this projecthas not even come close to that8800:05:36,180 --> 00:05:40,710shows me the health of thingsoverall. So these things do not8900:05:40,710 --> 00:05:46,170bother me. Because robust publicdebate and disagreement. There's9000:05:46,170 --> 00:05:51,150nothing wrong with thatwhatsoever. You know, if it9100:05:51,150 --> 00:05:54,480does, those are necessary. Andit's necessary sometimes for9200:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,950people to get angry. And becausewhen when people get angry about9300:05:58,950 --> 00:06:05,310stuff, typically what that meansto me is that you need to stop9400:06:05,310 --> 00:06:09,480what you're doing and listen.Yeah, it doesn't mean you're9500:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,750wrong. It doesn't that that'sthat has to be clear, it does9600:06:12,750 --> 00:06:15,750not mean that what just becausethat the angriest person is9700:06:15,750 --> 00:06:19,590right. It just means that whenso when what you're saying is9800:06:19,590 --> 00:06:24,270pissing somebody off that bad,it's a good sign that you9900:06:24,270 --> 00:06:27,000probably need to chill out for aminute, and listen to what10000:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,560they're saying and come backwith a different approach. And10100:06:31,590 --> 00:06:34,530ultimately, if you can't findagreement, that's fine. You10200:06:34,530 --> 00:06:37,980just, you know, you justdisagree. In in the world moves10300:06:37,980 --> 00:06:43,770on. But it this is all regardingcalm cross app comments. And10400:06:43,770 --> 00:06:49,860specifically lightning comments.And how lightning comments get10500:06:49,860 --> 00:06:53,910implemented with relation tobooster grams. Are they the same10600:06:53,910 --> 00:06:59,340thing? Can you mix and match thetwo? It's sort of created this10700:06:59,340 --> 00:07:04,020firestorm of where's the sourceof truth? Who's you know, do10800:07:04,020 --> 00:07:07,770people expect things to bepublic? And that's kind of where10900:07:07,770 --> 00:07:10,020this sort of shit show happened?11000:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,130I think you're you kind ofnailed that. And it was, to me11100:07:14,130 --> 00:07:17,160it was I was triggered becauseit came as a surprise. I didn't11200:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,660really understand what washappening. But let me just go11300:07:21,660 --> 00:07:25,410through what because there's alot more to this than just11400:07:25,410 --> 00:07:30,480comments. So podcasting is mylife's work. So I'm gonna say11500:07:30,510 --> 00:07:34,230I'm admittedly emotional aboutit. And in value for value is11600:07:34,230 --> 00:07:37,590also something that's very nearand dear to my heart, having11700:07:37,650 --> 00:07:44,760developed it with with Dvorak.So what I see are, the issue is11800:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,060really bigger. It's aboutprocess. It's about the11900:07:48,060 --> 00:07:54,210podcasting. 2.0 movement. It'show things work. Do we follow12000:07:54,240 --> 00:08:00,000any guidelines? Do we worktogether? You know, we we12100:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,800actually used a lot frompodcasting. 1.0 When we started12200:08:04,800 --> 00:08:10,950this project, Dave rules forstandards makers was one which,12300:08:11,220 --> 00:08:15,390which Dave Winer developed. Andthere was another one, another12400:08:15,390 --> 00:08:20,010mantra of podcasting. 1.0 and,and just kind of came back to12500:08:20,010 --> 00:08:23,010me, as I'm trying to figure out,you know, why am I so? Why do I12600:08:23,010 --> 00:08:27,900have such a visceral response,or what you might call grumpy is12700:08:29,220 --> 00:08:32,220the mantra at the time was usersand developers partying12800:08:32,220 --> 00:08:37,680together. And by that we meantall users, so listeners and12900:08:37,680 --> 00:08:41,370podcasters but really, at thetime, it was just podcasters13000:08:41,850 --> 00:08:44,520podcasters were making we werelistening to each other's13100:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,370podcasts. And it's veryanalogous to what's happening13200:08:47,370 --> 00:08:51,390now with with podcasting, 2.0,certainly with with booster13300:08:51,390 --> 00:08:54,960grams, etc. So it was a littlecircular, and it just kind of13400:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,720grew and grew and grew fromthere. But the users and13500:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,730developers partying togetherpart was key, particularly the13600:09:02,730 --> 00:09:06,600podcasters and the developers.That's why I think it works. So13700:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,900well. Remember, when I when Iwent to Dave Winer as a content13800:09:09,900 --> 00:09:14,010creator as a podcaster, who hadyou know, who could, you know,13900:09:14,010 --> 00:09:20,820write, print, you know, and Ihad to convince him It took me14000:09:20,820 --> 00:09:25,140two days to convince him tocreate this because I knew how14100:09:25,140 --> 00:09:26,580it could be used. And you14200:09:26,580 --> 00:09:30,210have to understand what what itmay what it looks like to try to14300:09:30,210 --> 00:09:32,910convince Dave Weiner orsomething. It's a it's a14400:09:32,910 --> 00:09:38,100perilous endeavor is not not forthe faint of heart knows he is14500:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,800going to let you know exactlywhat he thinks about your shitty14600:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,160idea.14700:09:41,189 --> 00:09:45,989I flew to New York to convincehim I mean, I did it wasn't just14800:09:46,169 --> 00:09:49,589flew to New York and I went backthe next day and and then you14900:09:49,589 --> 00:09:53,999know, when I showed him what Imeant, in in his ratio, user15000:09:53,999 --> 00:09:58,739land frontier code, it was itwas a mess. And you know, so it15100:09:58,739 --> 00:10:04,349took some work, but And weclearly never were friends. And15200:10:04,349 --> 00:10:08,459we've had all kinds of issues.But the partying together part15300:10:08,489 --> 00:10:12,479we got right. And so I thinkthat was the key to our early15400:10:12,479 --> 00:10:17,609success. And if you think aboutit in the in the lit of history15500:10:17,609 --> 00:10:22,079here, the podcasters are avaluable part of the equation.15600:10:22,259 --> 00:10:25,559And we don't have a lot of thatreally in our development15700:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,989process. And as you said, Dave,we all have to listen. So let's15800:10:30,989 --> 00:10:33,269just go through some history,the early days, when we were15900:10:33,269 --> 00:10:38,069bootstrapping, it wasn't justRSS, RSS had been around for a16000:10:38,069 --> 00:10:42,359long time. There were no apps tospeak of what bootstrapped16100:10:42,389 --> 00:10:46,199podcasting was the daily sourcecode, and more. But the daily16200:10:46,199 --> 00:10:50,819source code, while I wascreating and using the features,16300:10:50,849 --> 00:10:55,769at the same time to content wasbootstrapping this process. And16400:10:55,769 --> 00:10:59,159it was very close circle,because the developers who were16500:10:59,159 --> 00:11:03,149working on iPod or X and iPod orlemon and all these different16600:11:03,149 --> 00:11:06,209apps, which, you know, ofcourse, were applications at the16700:11:06,209 --> 00:11:10,979time. They were a part of theprogramming is what they were16800:11:10,979 --> 00:11:14,819doing was in the show. Here,this is why we're doing this16900:11:14,819 --> 00:11:17,939show. So I'll fast forward awhole bunch.17000:11:18,450 --> 00:11:21,780But is the daily source code ofpodcasting? 2.0 that's yes,17100:11:21,809 --> 00:11:25,589that's that's in view. And Ijust, we launched the show as17200:11:25,589 --> 00:11:29,909such, the whole idea was toreplicate the successful17300:11:29,909 --> 00:11:34,859formula. So then I'll fastforward. I meet with jobs, and17400:11:34,859 --> 00:11:40,769we're gonna, and he's gonna putpodcasting into iTunes. Now,17500:11:40,769 --> 00:11:42,869there are two things that Ididn't contemplate there was,17600:11:42,959 --> 00:11:46,049I've only talked about one. Butnow I realized the other part17700:11:46,049 --> 00:11:56,519here. We made Apple a de factogateway to podcasting that we I17800:11:56,519 --> 00:12:00,329did. So that wasn't toobrilliant, in hindsight, but17900:12:00,329 --> 00:12:05,309also Apple did something veryinteresting right away. They18000:12:05,549 --> 00:12:09,239created a one clicksubscription, which was not a18100:12:09,239 --> 00:12:13,319speck. It was just it was theirthing was a feature. And that18200:12:13,319 --> 00:12:18,989really made Apple the defaultfor users as well. But it wasn't18300:12:18,989 --> 00:12:22,469really something everybody coulddo, because you couldn't, it was18400:12:22,469 --> 00:12:25,469unfair advantage because youcouldn't put an overcast what18500:12:25,469 --> 00:12:28,919you can today, 20 years later,you couldn't put an overcast18600:12:28,919 --> 00:12:32,429Chiclet on there and have oneclick subscribe and overcast. It18700:12:32,429 --> 00:12:36,179was always going to go to theApple podcast app. But what18800:12:36,179 --> 00:12:41,219really drove podcasting, whichwas a disappointment for the Oh,18900:12:41,219 --> 00:12:46,439geez, at the time, was Apple putthe BBC and NPR and all this,19000:12:46,589 --> 00:12:49,739this really this great wealth ofcontent right there on the19100:12:49,739 --> 00:12:52,949homepage, because Steve Jobsknew that he needed to sell this19200:12:52,949 --> 00:12:57,119to his customers. And if it wasjust Dawn and Drew, who I adore,19300:12:57,119 --> 00:13:00,539and maj Weinstein and the dailysource code where I'm cussing19400:13:00,539 --> 00:13:05,279away, it would it would detractit would not be for his core19500:13:05,279 --> 00:13:11,459customer necessarily. And havingthis the content that is19600:13:11,459 --> 00:13:16,679highbrow drove that to anextreme again, the content drove19700:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,189it yes, they had the thetechnology to play with but the19800:13:20,189 --> 00:13:26,309content drove that. Then we hadYouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and19900:13:26,309 --> 00:13:28,859podcasting was just kind of youknow, was little quiet, little20000:13:28,859 --> 00:13:32,729stagnant, no features, nothinghappens. What brought podcasting20100:13:32,729 --> 00:13:37,139back? Was it a new app? Was it anew feature? No, it was Serial20200:13:38,009 --> 00:13:43,139podcast, and specificallypodcasters are valuable. Joe20300:13:43,139 --> 00:13:47,339Rogan, was worth hundreds ofmillions of dollars to Spotify20400:13:47,369 --> 00:13:52,289to promote their app. Now, whyare apple and Spotify the top20500:13:52,289 --> 00:13:56,639apps, because podcasters arealways telling people the same20600:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,359mantra. Subscribe to us on Appleand Spotify or wherever you get20700:14:00,359 --> 00:14:06,989your podcasts. That's the partwe need to change. That's why we20800:14:06,989 --> 00:14:11,099came up with new podcastapps.com. So we can have a20900:14:11,099 --> 00:14:14,339universal place where we cansend people and say this is21000:14:14,339 --> 00:14:19,619podcasting. 2.0. Now, if GlennBeck or Megyn, Kelly just said21100:14:19,619 --> 00:14:23,429use cast ematic you think peoplewould be I think they would21200:14:23,459 --> 00:14:26,099think that I think they'd go andtry that app out immediately.21300:14:26,279 --> 00:14:30,509But we've chosen as a group topromote the entire movement. And21400:14:30,509 --> 00:14:34,529the proof is in the pudding. Ifand if you haven't noticed,21500:14:34,559 --> 00:14:37,859there's a large number of usersand that's listeners and21600:14:37,859 --> 00:14:42,659podcasters and people who areboth who have sir or Dame in21700:14:42,659 --> 00:14:45,479their name. Where did they comefrom? Are these just a bunch of21800:14:45,479 --> 00:14:49,199royalty that showed up? No. Itold these people who listen to21900:14:49,199 --> 00:14:54,089my podcast to come check outpodcasting 2.0 And I've only22000:14:54,119 --> 00:14:57,329promoted the entire conceptnever one app or service over22100:14:57,329 --> 00:15:00,989another and that's why newpodcasts out dot com is so22200:15:00,989 --> 00:15:05,039fantastic to send people toevery you know, no matter what22300:15:05,039 --> 00:15:08,999features any of the apps orservices support, I know they22400:15:08,999 --> 00:15:10,559will function the same.22500:15:12,389 --> 00:15:15,269But if they're different thanwhat? And what if I went on22600:15:15,269 --> 00:15:18,449Rogan and didn't promote newpodcast apps calm or just said,22700:15:18,449 --> 00:15:23,339Hey, breeze, that's podcasting2.0 or pod verse, would that22800:15:23,339 --> 00:15:27,509help podcasting 2.0 Maybe it toa degree, but it will certainly22900:15:27,509 --> 00:15:31,289help those apps. So we makechoices I choose to promote and23000:15:31,289 --> 00:15:34,919work in the entire movement, themovement is in sync in23100:15:34,919 --> 00:15:39,299accordance with the namespace.So now we get to the value block23200:15:39,299 --> 00:15:43,829the value tag, it's called valuefor a reason. Value for value is23300:15:43,829 --> 00:15:49,199a brand that was built up over a15 year period on the no agenda23400:15:49,199 --> 00:15:54,599show. It's a monetization model.And it's a content format. At23500:15:54,599 --> 00:15:58,829one, it's like a floor wax in adesert topic. And it has this23600:15:58,829 --> 00:16:03,119feedback loop, you ask, which isthe most difficult part for most23700:16:03,119 --> 00:16:07,559people, you ask people tosupport you, the payments with23800:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,339messages come in and are read onthe show. It's it's content is23900:16:11,339 --> 00:16:15,809an important part of the of theentire format. It's also24000:16:15,809 --> 00:16:19,919inspirational and, and peoplegamify that in many ways, and24100:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,409then you remind people and yourinse and repeat and you do it24200:16:22,409 --> 00:16:24,749over again. Now I'm notindependently wealthy, I rely on24300:16:24,749 --> 00:16:27,389my podcast as my sole source ofincome. So I'm going to be24400:16:27,389 --> 00:16:30,899passionate about this stuff. AndI think podcasters matter and I24500:16:30,899 --> 00:16:35,159feel a little neglected. Andwhen we continue with the value24600:16:35,159 --> 00:16:39,599for value part, payments andmessages, payments and messages24700:16:39,629 --> 00:16:43,649or content specific to the show,producers or listeners take24800:16:43,649 --> 00:16:47,729ownership of that content ofthat segment. It's valuable to24900:16:47,729 --> 00:16:50,549them since it's going to be onthe show. And they are private25000:16:50,549 --> 00:16:53,789between the sender, the payerand the recipient, making25100:16:53,789 --> 00:16:56,219payment and messaginginformation public without the25200:16:56,219 --> 00:16:59,489podcasters consent to me is likepublishing an email that you25300:16:59,489 --> 00:17:04,499were cc.so. These payments andmessages are not intended to be25400:17:04,499 --> 00:17:07,949used as a standalone feature foran app, which is how it felt to25500:17:07,949 --> 00:17:11,819me. So now we get to users anddevelopers partying together.25600:17:12,689 --> 00:17:17,969Here's what I'm doing. Because Ifeel like I am an important part25700:17:17,969 --> 00:17:20,579of the development process. Eventhough I don't write a lick of25800:17:20,579 --> 00:17:24,449code. I support all the tagsthat I possibly can Thank you,25900:17:24,449 --> 00:17:29,159Steven, be in South sovereignfeed calm. I share my income26000:17:29,159 --> 00:17:32,039with people like Dred Scott, whokeep the features exciting and26100:17:32,039 --> 00:17:36,299consistent and do the chaptersso we have something to show, I26200:17:36,329 --> 00:17:39,599publish the live schedule tag,even though no app supports it.26300:17:40,289 --> 00:17:43,679No app supports the scheduledtime, but I'm still doing it26400:17:43,679 --> 00:17:46,859because I know someone's gonnawant to put that in. And then26500:17:46,889 --> 00:17:50,999we'll have something to testagainst it. For months, I've26600:17:50,999 --> 00:17:53,759been supporting the socialinteract tag for cross app26700:17:53,759 --> 00:17:56,189comments, I've been promotingthis to my listener group26800:17:56,189 --> 00:17:59,609teasing it. And all of a suddenthere was a party I wasn't26900:17:59,609 --> 00:18:04,079invited to comments appearedthat were not, you know, cross27000:18:04,079 --> 00:18:08,999app comments. But they werebeing promoted as comments27100:18:10,139 --> 00:18:12,749didn't work with with mycomments that I've been27200:18:12,899 --> 00:18:18,479publishing for months, I hadlost control. So my content27300:18:18,479 --> 00:18:23,039booster grams from my peoplewere public, my payment and27400:18:23,039 --> 00:18:26,849messaging system. Now I have tosort everything because there's27500:18:26,849 --> 00:18:30,329comments and all kinds of stuffin heli pad that was unexpected.27600:18:34,049 --> 00:18:36,839It's almost like imagine if anapp started publishing our Pay27700:18:36,839 --> 00:18:46,739Pal messages. So Brent, for me,we need to realize where success27800:18:46,739 --> 00:18:53,969can come from. If we can getpodcasters to say, get a modern27900:18:53,969 --> 00:18:57,989app, whatever, whatever we comeup with, if we can send them to28000:18:57,989 --> 00:19:02,819new podcast apps calm, we canall win. If everybody has the28100:19:02,819 --> 00:19:07,379same features than we then wereally compete for the same core28200:19:08,519 --> 00:19:12,719workings, I should say, any anyother features you have is what28300:19:12,719 --> 00:19:15,869you're ultimately going to winpeople over with. But if we have28400:19:16,139 --> 00:19:19,649all these different commentingsystems, and you know, we have a28500:19:20,069 --> 00:19:23,909pod friend has its own littlething going on. And so, you28600:19:23,909 --> 00:19:28,739know, it's like, why promote agroup if the group is not the28700:19:28,739 --> 00:19:32,519same? So let's work togetherbecause when you can get28800:19:32,519 --> 00:19:36,989podcasters to promote podcasting2.0 specifically through new28900:19:36,989 --> 00:19:43,169podcast apps.com Everybody canwin. Otherwise, it's just going29000:19:43,169 --> 00:19:46,949to be people promoting certainapps. And I would think that29100:19:46,949 --> 00:19:48,569would that's a big shame.29200:19:49,980 --> 00:19:54,240And And finally, the thingthat's really unfortunate is the29300:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,640value for value brand. is nowconfused. We've get we were29400:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,830starting Give it up. Boostergrams is a great brand. That's29500:20:04,830 --> 00:20:09,840now. That's now lightningcomments. What the fuck? Don't29600:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,620give that to the LightningNetwork, podcasting 2.0 That's29700:20:13,620 --> 00:20:19,260our shit. So don't just givestuff up that easily. There we29800:20:19,260 --> 00:20:19,410go.29900:20:20,790 --> 00:20:25,650That I think, you know, thisgoes back to a thing that we30000:20:25,650 --> 00:20:29,130that I have had to learn. And Iwas mentioning this to somebody30100:20:29,130 --> 00:20:37,290this week is that I've had tolearn this at this sort of idea30200:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,340over and over again, is we're inworking with you over the last30300:20:41,850 --> 00:20:47,19010 plus years. How many timeswould I go to you and say, Hey,30400:20:47,190 --> 00:20:51,180this is a killer feature. And Iwould put it into the freedom30500:20:51,180 --> 00:20:55,380controller, and then find out,you know, and you're like, oh,30600:20:55,380 --> 00:20:58,380cool, I'll check it out. Andthen I'll find out six months30700:20:58,380 --> 00:21:02,700later that you had never touchedit. And then and I start asking30800:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,180you why. And you say, well, itjust doesn't, it just doesn't30900:21:06,180 --> 00:21:11,250fit. It doesn't fit what I do inSo explain to me what you do.31000:21:11,970 --> 00:21:18,330And I would realize through yourexplanation, that that's that31100:21:18,330 --> 00:21:22,950what I thought a podcasterwanted, or what I thought a31200:21:22,950 --> 00:21:27,900podcast prep looked like, wasactually nothing like what it31300:21:27,900 --> 00:21:33,180looked like, because I wasn't apodcaster. Right. And so when31400:21:33,180 --> 00:21:39,960you make when you createfeatures in it sounds like we're31500:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,630just crapping all over. Oscarbut not not31600:21:42,629 --> 00:21:45,809No, no, not at all. Not at all.No, this is, hey, we're running31700:21:45,809 --> 00:21:49,349with scissors. But you know,when you when you fall down and31800:21:49,349 --> 00:21:52,349you got to cut in your arm, wegot to stop and talk about it.31900:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,520Let's stop and talking hug. Butthe32000:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,940best. I had a friend actually, Igot to tell you the story in32100:21:59,940 --> 00:22:02,970Holland when I was growing up,and he and his brother would32200:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,890always fight. And one time theone brother was chasing the32300:22:07,890 --> 00:22:11,280other one with a pair ofscissors. And his mom said, hey,32400:22:11,310 --> 00:22:14,190you know, don't do that. You'regoing to put an eye out. And32500:22:14,190 --> 00:22:18,420then he put his eye out byaccident. The Christmas story32600:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,710actually happened.32700:22:21,569 --> 00:22:23,489He got it at the red Ryder BBgun.32800:22:24,030 --> 00:22:29,340And he had a Gouki i the rest ofhis life. Okay, I'm sorry.32900:22:29,610 --> 00:22:31,950Sorry, this was a little comedicinterlude.33000:22:33,690 --> 00:22:41,340But anyway, yeah, it's not it's,it's that issue is always going33100:22:41,340 --> 00:22:47,760to be the case. When when you'rewriting code, and you you're33200:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,600envisioning something thatyou're not, that you're that is33300:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,820not part of your, your normalcourse of events like you don't33400:22:56,820 --> 00:23:01,650have, like Nat now I can writethe freedom controller editor33500:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,120page 10 times better since I'mpodcasting every week. At the33600:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,490moment, I just couldn't do it. Ijust didn't have the knowledge33700:23:08,490 --> 00:23:12,540base to work off of. And thething the thing that was33800:23:12,540 --> 00:23:19,920confusing to me with with caughtwith the lightning comments, is33900:23:19,920 --> 00:23:27,480that what I thought it was was awas purely comments. And then34000:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,110maybe that was just me Missreading the spec. But then when34100:23:31,110 --> 00:23:35,490the VAT when the when it camethrough, and it's like, okay,34200:23:35,490 --> 00:23:38,940just add an extra thing in yourvalue block. And again, this34300:23:38,940 --> 00:23:42,330could have been just me missingthe obvious, put an extra split34400:23:42,330 --> 00:23:44,820in your value block. And thenwe'll show all the booster grams34500:23:44,820 --> 00:23:49,710as comments. That part didn'tcome across to me when I read34600:23:49,710 --> 00:23:56,940the spec. And like it was verydisorienting to have all of a34700:23:56,940 --> 00:24:02,190sudden, you have your you whatwhat has been built up and what34800:24:02,190 --> 00:24:05,880has come to be like a commonlanguage between everybody that34900:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,360booster Grahams are a thing thatis content on a show. And it's35000:24:09,360 --> 00:24:14,490private between a podcast orlike a Patreon or PayPal. That35100:24:15,180 --> 00:24:19,290thing when all of a sudden thatchanges. It's a big deal. Yeah.35200:24:20,220 --> 00:24:23,400And it's a big deal, not forjust the podcaster. But for the35300:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,610listener as well, because Iheard from I was talking to35400:24:26,610 --> 00:24:33,690somebody this week, and it justoff the cuff. He said to me that35500:24:33,750 --> 00:24:38,040he was not expecting his boostto show up in the comments35600:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,030because he commented fromfountain and right. It was it35700:24:42,030 --> 00:24:45,990was just a disorientingexperience that thing. I think35800:24:45,990 --> 00:24:52,470in retrospect it was unfortunatethat it happened with him at the35900:24:52,470 --> 00:24:56,640time it did, because commentsare already from the very36000:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,730beginning. We knew they weregoing to be the most difficult36100:24:59,730 --> 00:25:05,310task It brings in every singleproblem. It brings in Source of36200:25:05,310 --> 00:25:09,690Truth issues. It brings inmoderation issues and politics.36300:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,530You know, it brings in 10different messaging systems in36400:25:13,530 --> 00:25:16,560which one to usedecentralization. I mean, like,36500:25:16,740 --> 00:25:21,570every complicated thing you canpossibly think of is all wrapped36600:25:21,570 --> 00:25:23,130up in this one tag, and36700:25:23,129 --> 00:25:27,569then we threw on top of itbooster grams. Yes. And just to36800:25:27,569 --> 00:25:30,389make it easy. Yeah, yeah, thatwas an overload.36900:25:30,929 --> 00:25:33,329Yeah, it was just too. It wasjust too much. It was too37000:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,639unfortunately, I think itthere's already been37100:25:35,639 --> 00:25:40,709trepidation. And, and sort ofunderlying unease within the37200:25:40,709 --> 00:25:45,089project about cross appcomments. And then you throw in37300:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,169the I think the lightningproposal just threw some gas on37400:25:49,169 --> 00:25:52,259that fire that was alreadythere. Just just just, it was37500:25:52,259 --> 00:25:56,159bad timing it really well, if wehad, if this had come up four37600:25:56,159 --> 00:26:00,089months ago, it wouldn't havebeen such a big thing, we would37700:26:00,089 --> 00:26:05,309have talked it out. And it wouldhave not been so closely tied to37800:26:05,639 --> 00:26:11,159all of the other stuff like withwell, is, what about, what about37900:26:11,159 --> 00:26:14,339Twitter? Is this stuff going tooslow? What do we you know, all38000:26:14,339 --> 00:26:18,389of these other issues that how,if you know, should it be38100:26:18,539 --> 00:26:20,969moderated? Should it bedecentralized? I don't want38200:26:20,969 --> 00:26:25,349comments on my way, on my post,or excuse me, on my episode, if38300:26:25,349 --> 00:26:29,189I don't want to, I should be incontrol, like, this big38400:26:29,189 --> 00:26:32,249discussion was already happeningin enlightening comments came in38500:26:32,249 --> 00:26:35,669and it was like, Oh, crap,right. It's off the rails.38600:26:35,879 --> 00:26:41,339Now. Not to say that I'm veryexcited about the having the38700:26:41,339 --> 00:26:46,589capability to surface boostergrams. It's nothing wrong with38800:26:46,589 --> 00:26:52,769that. But a it has to be my callfrom my feed the source of truth38900:26:52,769 --> 00:27:01,499for my show. And I mean, you wejust have to have some agreement39000:27:01,529 --> 00:27:07,379about what apps are doing, oranyone who's taking a split from39100:27:07,379 --> 00:27:12,239the value block. Well, I guessthat's not entirely true in this39200:27:12,239 --> 00:27:17,789case, in this case, what if yourrecipient on a on a message that39300:27:17,789 --> 00:27:20,999doesn't give you which hasmultiple recipients? It just39400:27:20,999 --> 00:27:24,689doesn't necessarily give anyonethe right to publish that39500:27:24,719 --> 00:27:27,959publicly? That's just rude. Imean, I know that wasn't the39600:27:27,959 --> 00:27:33,119intent. Right. But that, butthat's truly how it works. I39700:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,659mean, this is money. That's,that's going back and forth. And39800:27:36,659 --> 00:27:39,929yeah, and I could get into allthe other aspects of how I think39900:27:39,929 --> 00:27:42,749it cheapens the whole pot, theprospect. I mean, I understand40000:27:42,749 --> 00:27:46,649right now, there's a lot ofexcitement about lightning and40100:27:46,679 --> 00:27:50,549tipping, which, as you know, isnot value for value. And by the40200:27:50,549 --> 00:27:53,789way, I've discovered and I thinkI posted a tipping is racist.40300:27:54,689 --> 00:27:58,769Did you know it's it has racistorigins? Yes, I put it in the40400:27:58,769 --> 00:28:03,269show notes. Yep. Tipping isracist. Yes, it is. It kept40500:28:03,269 --> 00:28:08,729wages low for formerly enslavedblack workers. I believe we have40600:28:08,729 --> 00:28:10,409stacker news, and40700:28:10,470 --> 00:28:13,410it's super cool that y'all it'sabout stacker news, it's super40800:28:13,410 --> 00:28:13,740cool40900:28:13,740 --> 00:28:17,820that you can, you know, load up1000 SATs and you can tap the41000:28:17,820 --> 00:28:21,120lightning bolt and give somebodya set. And that's tipping.41100:28:21,150 --> 00:28:23,970That's it's really just a votingsystem. It's just a voting41200:28:23,970 --> 00:28:27,060system with money. Whoever hasthe most numbers, you know, it's41300:28:27,060 --> 00:28:30,000like, Oh, that's great. But it'snot value for value. And there41400:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,200was even a whole thread therewere value for value was now41500:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,650getting confused with thelightning comments. I mean, this41600:28:40,860 --> 00:28:42,960that just drove me over theedge.41700:28:43,859 --> 00:28:49,199Well, the so this stacker newspost, I've got some thoughts41800:28:49,199 --> 00:28:56,219about that. Because the theunderlying sort of tenor of that41900:28:56,219 --> 00:29:04,259thread was Why would I give mywhy would I give my bitcoin to a42000:29:04,259 --> 00:29:10,109podcast now on a larger timescale? Like that, that five42100:29:10,109 --> 00:29:14,099bucks or whatever, that you'reboosting represents, like, maybe42200:29:14,099 --> 00:29:17,2795000 bucks in the future ofappreciated value or whatever.42300:29:17,729 --> 00:29:22,229And so like that, that was whatthat was kind of this underlying42400:29:22,229 --> 00:29:26,909idea. That's not an idea, but itwas about lightning comments. So42500:29:26,909 --> 00:29:30,599there's the confusion betweenvalue for value in lightning42600:29:30,599 --> 00:29:31,529comments in the42700:29:31,530 --> 00:29:34,260headlines. The headline wasvalue for value though that was42800:29:34,260 --> 00:29:34,830the problem.42900:29:35,339 --> 00:29:43,889Right? Yeah. See? So then, youknow, there's this but on that43000:29:43,889 --> 00:29:46,829topic, I don't want to switchaway from topics unless you're43100:29:46,859 --> 00:29:48,179unless you're done with I'mgood.43200:29:48,210 --> 00:29:50,070I'm good. I'm good. Well,43300:29:50,849 --> 00:29:54,329so that brings that brings up adifferent topic to me, just on43400:29:54,329 --> 00:30:01,859that specific issue. Why do wemake Why do we make the43500:30:01,859 --> 00:30:08,789decisions that we make? When itcomes to? Money or boosting or43600:30:09,569 --> 00:30:13,139tipping? Or any, any any? Whenit comes to where do you when43700:30:13,139 --> 00:30:19,469you're going to give value away?And that's, that's a big43800:30:19,469 --> 00:30:21,809question within the value forvalue model. I mean, like, what?43900:30:21,959 --> 00:30:25,349Why would you choose? Why wouldyou choose to give, you know, to44000:30:25,349 --> 00:30:31,949give this Bitcoin away orwhatever this might be? You44100:30:31,949 --> 00:30:39,569know, and it brought back tomind. Jonathan Edwards. If you44200:30:39,599 --> 00:30:44,609don't know Jonathan Edwards areis he's, he's, I mean, he's,44300:30:44,639 --> 00:30:47,699he's comment, he's talked aboutme because he was a pastor, and44400:30:47,699 --> 00:30:50,219he was part of the GreatAwakening of the United States,44500:30:51,029 --> 00:30:54,449and stuff like that. But he, buthe was more than just that he44600:30:54,449 --> 00:30:58,559was the first president of thefirst month, he was the first44700:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,899base, he was former president ofPrinceton University, considered44800:31:03,899 --> 00:31:06,359by most to be the greatestAmerican, the greatest44900:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,269philosopher or greatest scholarthat America America has ever45000:31:09,269 --> 00:31:15,569produced. That is, sort of oneof his seminal works was called45100:31:16,379 --> 00:31:25,079freedom of the will. And so hemakes, he makes this statement45200:31:26,879 --> 00:31:33,959that free moral agents, allalways choose, according to the45300:31:33,959 --> 00:31:36,929strongest ink strongestinclination they have at the45400:31:36,929 --> 00:31:42,629moment of choosing is thatthat's, that's, that's a45500:31:42,629 --> 00:31:46,259critical distinction. So you, itdoesn't mean that when you make45600:31:46,259 --> 00:31:52,139a choice, that your overallcontext of that choice, is the45700:31:52,139 --> 00:31:56,159thing that you want to do. Soyou can imagine this sort of45800:31:56,159 --> 00:32:00,899example of a, of a personapproaching you with a gun, and45900:32:00,929 --> 00:32:05,249he demands the keys to your car.And if you give him the keys to46000:32:05,249 --> 00:32:09,449your car, it's not that you wantto. But at that moment, at that46100:32:09,449 --> 00:32:16,019precise moment, you determineyour will decided that that was46200:32:16,019 --> 00:32:21,059your best course of action. It'sthe thing you wanted to do is46300:32:21,059 --> 00:32:23,849give him the keys your car,because the alternative was46400:32:23,849 --> 00:32:27,929maybe you would be killed. Maybea better explanation is the one46500:32:27,929 --> 00:32:33,299that that Edwards himself heused. He said, he talks about46600:32:33,299 --> 00:32:37,859this chessboard, he says, Okay,if you he tries to explain this,46700:32:37,859 --> 00:32:41,039and says if you have thischessboard in front of you with46800:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,489no pieces on it, so it's thisgrid of black and white squares,46900:32:44,969 --> 00:32:50,189and somebody says, Put yourfinger on a square. Which one47000:32:50,189 --> 00:32:57,929would you put it on? Is it acompletely open ended? Question?47100:32:59,669 --> 00:33:04,289With no, with no influence atall within your mind? Well, if47200:33:04,289 --> 00:33:07,469that's the case, you would nevermove your hand. So what he47300:33:07,469 --> 00:33:10,799breaks it down into steps andsays, Okay, it's so you look at47400:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,949the board, maybe one littlepiece, one little section of the47500:33:13,949 --> 00:33:16,529board catches your attention,because it has a slight47600:33:16,529 --> 00:33:19,859discoloration or whatever, andthen goes through the steps of,47700:33:20,069 --> 00:33:23,459then you decide well, why it'sas good as black. And eventually47800:33:23,459 --> 00:33:27,089you come to this moment ofchoosing where your will decides47900:33:27,089 --> 00:33:30,809that putting your finger on thatparticular spot is, is the thing48000:33:30,809 --> 00:33:34,979you want to do. So that maybe isa better example without all the48100:33:34,979 --> 00:33:41,249moral moralizing. Butregardless, the This is why48200:33:41,249 --> 00:33:44,999bringing the donation process inthis is where it comes back into48300:33:44,999 --> 00:33:50,039comments value for value.Bringing the donation process as48400:33:50,039 --> 00:33:57,929close to the product experienceas possible. is so critical48500:33:57,929 --> 00:34:05,789because of that because of thisthe my strongest inclination48600:34:07,290 --> 00:34:10,710on a random Tuesday at threeo'clock in the afternoon, when48700:34:10,710 --> 00:34:13,680my credit card pings me for fivebucks a month for that podcast48800:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,440subscription may not be to haveto be subscribed to a podcast.48900:34:20,250 --> 00:34:23,010My strongest inclination at thatmoment may be that my49000:34:23,010 --> 00:34:25,590transmission just blew up in onewhy the hell am I paying for49100:34:25,590 --> 00:34:30,930this podcast in a may cancel thesubscription. But if you bring49200:34:31,530 --> 00:34:39,030the Donation Point down into theapp and bring it to the point49300:34:39,030 --> 00:34:43,830where it's at the moment whenthat person has joy about what49400:34:43,830 --> 00:34:46,260they just heard, or they findwhat you said important or49500:34:46,260 --> 00:34:51,150anything like that, at that, atthat moment, that is when you49600:34:51,150 --> 00:34:59,220get this sort of pure, puremoral economic decision that49700:34:59,220 --> 00:35:02,190somebody doesn't But he's justmade, the value exchange49800:35:02,190 --> 00:35:07,140proposition is morally pure atthat moment, it's no longer a49900:35:07,140 --> 00:35:10,740dark pattern where you're tryingto just keep somebody to keep50000:35:10,740 --> 00:35:13,560somebody's credit card on file,so you can, so you can keep it50100:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,980going and that kind of thing.Well, that's a, that's a50200:35:16,980 --> 00:35:24,780critical moment in the value forvalue exchange. That's why this,50300:35:24,870 --> 00:35:32,460that's why it is it is in theapp. And that's why we seem to50400:35:32,550 --> 00:35:36,330like ignore things likesubscriptions and these other50500:35:36,330 --> 00:35:40,920funding models. Well, that's oneof the reasons but that but that50600:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,900this is an important reason.When you extrapolate that out to50700:35:45,900 --> 00:35:50,670something like a commentingsystem, it doesn't work the50800:35:50,670 --> 00:35:59,910same. Because the a, people donot attach the same value to50900:35:59,910 --> 00:36:05,550something like a Twitter post,that they do to a to something51000:36:05,550 --> 00:36:10,440like a podcast, which is aproduct, which is a product51100:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,680that's being delivered. Like ifthere's an if there's an51200:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,580implicit value statement that'shappening, when you produce a51300:36:17,580 --> 00:36:23,040podcasting, give it to thelistener. And then when you come51400:36:23,040 --> 00:36:29,130back with value to thepodcaster, that represents the51500:36:29,130 --> 00:36:32,910exchange of value. So anyway,what I'm trying to say is, like51600:36:32,910 --> 00:36:37,950all the value for value this,this answers the question of51700:36:37,950 --> 00:36:42,090why, you know, why would I givesomebody $5 worth of bitcoin51800:36:42,090 --> 00:36:45,750today for their podcast, when itmay be worth 5000 In the future,51900:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,720you know, then five years fromnow, that same amount of52000:36:48,720 --> 00:36:53,430bitcoin? Well, that's, that'swise, because in that moment,52100:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,520you made that decision, you madethe decision that the best use52200:36:59,580 --> 00:37:03,690of your value was to give itback to the podcaster. And52300:37:03,690 --> 00:37:08,070there's no other model thatrepresents things in such a52400:37:08,070 --> 00:37:14,400economically morally pure way.Is that fair?52500:37:14,850 --> 00:37:16,260You brought a tear to my eye.52600:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,110In fact, mission accomplished.52700:37:19,410 --> 00:37:21,000I boosted you right now.52800:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,870I'm glad we don't we're not onvideo.52900:37:25,740 --> 00:37:29,070That was beautiful. And only youcould because you're a53000:37:29,070 --> 00:37:35,160philosophy guy. Didn't you majorin it? Yeah. Are you perfect?53100:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,680You're a professor, aren't you?You got a PhD in philosophy,53200:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440in PhD in value for value.53300:37:42,510 --> 00:37:46,440Well, thank you. I don't knowanyone who could have who could53400:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,430have explained it that way. Thatand this, this is something I'm53500:37:50,430 --> 00:37:52,980going to save this episode. Thatwas in fact, I needed53600:37:52,980 --> 00:37:56,580transcribed. Hey, I'lltranscribe it through my through53700:37:56,580 --> 00:37:59,460auto odor or whatever it is.It'd be really funny that way.53800:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,880Oh, yeah, that'll be fun. Nice.53900:38:03,060 --> 00:38:06,000Yes. Dr. Dave, the doctor ofvalue.54000:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,130Well, do we do we want to talkabout the part about the54100:38:11,130 --> 00:38:13,860comments tag as it stands?Because I just finished it54200:38:13,860 --> 00:38:14,310yesterday.54300:38:14,340 --> 00:38:18,030Yeah. Yes. There's something newin there that I saw, which was54400:38:18,450 --> 00:38:21,720priority, or was that always inthere? Maybe I hadn't looked at54500:38:21,720 --> 00:38:22,380it properly.54600:38:22,860 --> 00:38:28,200It was in there already. Yeah.Okay. That, so I tightened it up54700:38:29,250 --> 00:38:31,110and leave. And as you can pullit up,54800:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,590it's kind of fun to go back tothe discussion page on the54900:38:34,590 --> 00:38:39,930GitHub and see how the firstpost from James is all about55000:38:39,930 --> 00:38:45,270this should only be activitypub. Oh, yeah. Kind of kind of55100:38:45,270 --> 00:38:46,740funny to read how we evolve.55200:38:47,609 --> 00:38:54,029Yeah, well, the the activitypub. So here's, here's what I55300:38:54,029 --> 00:39:01,499tried to do with this is focuson activity. Just focus on the55400:39:01,499 --> 00:39:06,089things that we already knowexist. In our in US activity,55500:39:06,089 --> 00:39:14,879pub, Twitter, lightning.Comments, those threes in here?55600:39:15,179 --> 00:39:21,989I want to say that like thelightning comments, is a as a55700:39:21,989 --> 00:39:26,909spec is a good one. And it needsit needs to exist. I'm fine with55800:39:26,909 --> 00:39:33,089it. It needs to exist in in thecomments spec and not mix the55900:39:33,089 --> 00:39:34,409value for value stuff. That's56000:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,810Yes, yes, exactly.56100:39:38,580 --> 00:39:42,000And so from that, so I put it adef I put it in there. And it's56200:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000part of the it's on the sluglist for this. And56300:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,580unfortunately, I don't see a wayaround having a slug list. At56400:39:47,580 --> 00:39:50,430this point. They just list outthe56500:39:50,460 --> 00:39:53,640explain explain slug lists andwhy it's unfortunate.56600:39:54,509 --> 00:40:01,019Well, so a slug list isbasically just a set have a list56700:40:01,019 --> 00:40:02,099of predefined56800:40:02,970 --> 00:40:04,140word variables.56900:40:05,220 --> 00:40:07,170Now, they're not variables.They're just they're, they're57000:40:07,170 --> 00:40:14,760static. Right? Okay. Where itsays, you know, where you say,57100:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,640Okay, these are this is it'slike an A gnome, if you know57200:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,000what that is. And inprogramming, it's a list what of57300:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,810possible choices. What was thatcalled? A noon in un.57400:40:25,319 --> 00:40:26,909Okay, that's what that means.Okay?57500:40:27,390 --> 00:40:30,900Yeah, it's like I say, here's alist of choices. That basically57600:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,150is what Nina is. And then that'swhat this is, right? So57700:40:33,150 --> 00:40:36,180it's not open where it fill inthe blank. As long as you do XY57800:40:36,180 --> 00:40:39,750and Z. It's like, here's theones you can use for now. Yeah,57900:40:39,870 --> 00:40:41,760yeah. And that's unfortunate.58000:40:42,479 --> 00:40:46,889Yeah, cold acid. enumeration ofvalues. Exactly. So that's58100:40:46,889 --> 00:40:49,619unfortunate, because that meanspeople have to keep up with the58200:40:49,619 --> 00:40:55,079list. So you have a list youhave to keep up with but really,58300:40:55,289 --> 00:40:59,369I mean, it's, it's a small list,it's very small, and it's going58400:40:59,369 --> 00:41:01,769to grow at a very manageableRay.58500:41:01,860 --> 00:41:05,250It's going to grow by one withina week, and that'll be hive.58600:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,230Heed Right. Exactly. Yes. Itwill be hive, as a matter of58700:41:10,230 --> 00:41:13,920fact, should go and put that inthere. Just anticipation. But so58800:41:14,010 --> 00:41:19,470there's the tag is podcast,social interact. That's the only58900:41:19,470 --> 00:41:22,650one we're doing. We're not we'renot looking at podcast, social,59000:41:22,770 --> 00:41:26,130or podcast, social sign up atthis point. This is the only tag59100:41:26,130 --> 00:41:31,170we're looking at in Phase Five,podcast, social interact. It has59200:41:31,260 --> 00:41:36,300four attributes. Protocol, whichreferences one of the choices59300:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,930from the slug list currentlythat is, that are that is the59400:41:39,930 --> 00:41:48,510following. Activity, pub,Twitter, lightning, or disabled.59500:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,070Right.59600:41:52,560 --> 00:42:00,240The account ID attribute is andthe account URL attribute the59700:42:00,240 --> 00:42:06,360recommended but optional. Andthat would be the account ID59800:42:06,360 --> 00:42:13,320would be the account ID on theplatform being referenced of the59900:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,940person who posted the the routepost. So if it's me, you know if60000:42:17,940 --> 00:42:21,720I'm the one that did it live fortoday's show, it would be at60100:42:21,720 --> 00:42:27,540Dave at podcast index dotsocial. The account URL is the60200:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,490is my profile, my public URLprofile on that, that system? So60300:42:32,490 --> 00:42:34,770my public podcast index dotsocial profile?60400:42:35,460 --> 00:42:37,140URL? Yeah, yep, yep. Yep.60500:42:37,710 --> 00:42:42,180And then priority is if you havemultiple if you're going to post60600:42:42,330 --> 00:42:46,530to Mastodon, Twitter, law andlightning, you got to give some60700:42:46,530 --> 00:42:50,100priority so that the app knowswhich ones you find what your60800:42:50,100 --> 00:42:53,670importance cred, you know,what's the criteria? What do you60900:42:53,670 --> 00:42:57,030find more important, it's low tohigh, so it's in descending61000:42:57,030 --> 00:43:01,110order. So priority of one is themost important. Priority three61100:43:01,110 --> 00:43:05,280would be the least in thatscenario. And then the app that61200:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,490at least gives them a hint as towhat kind of what your intent61300:43:08,490 --> 00:43:14,250is. And then the node valueitself is the URL of the route61400:43:14,250 --> 00:43:19,320posts. So that would be just thefull URL of this Twitter status,61500:43:19,830 --> 00:43:27,060or the full URL to this Tute, onMastodon, or whatever. And so61600:43:27,060 --> 00:43:31,080that's, that's essentially theway that that's the proposal.61700:43:31,470 --> 00:43:34,230Right. And so that that couldgive you as long as you're61800:43:34,230 --> 00:43:38,190logged into the platform, or youhave whatever authentication to61900:43:38,190 --> 00:43:42,690the platform and question fromthe slug list, then you will62000:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,450apparently be able to interact.62100:43:46,410 --> 00:43:49,470Yeah. So that's the idea thatyou would have a login.62200:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,080That's why you have the sociallogin element that's coming62300:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,410later.62400:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,570Yeah, that is, yeah. Yeah.That's to be nice to be62500:43:57,570 --> 00:44:01,170determined. What, how that fits,and where we use it and all62600:44:01,170 --> 00:44:07,620that. And I guess, so the, youknow, the idea here is you can,62700:44:08,940 --> 00:44:12,810you could kind of approach it acouple of ways. You could say,62800:44:12,840 --> 00:44:21,480well, I just want I don't wantto get all into the coding of62900:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,770like pulling apps into pull,excuse me pulling comments into63000:44:25,770 --> 00:44:29,910the app. I'm just going to Iknow that see this Twitter URL,63100:44:29,910 --> 00:44:34,410I'm just going to like iframe itand stick it in there. Yes. Kind63200:44:34,410 --> 00:44:37,680of, yes. Kind of a cheap chancyway to do it. But yeah, but63300:44:37,980 --> 00:44:41,130that's that's what cheeriocaster is also doing an iframe63400:44:41,130 --> 00:44:41,940right now. Right?63500:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,780He's I think Stephens doing thatfor the IRC comment, right?63600:44:45,780 --> 00:44:49,200I'm just saying, right, but I'mjust saying that iframes for63700:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,650now, it was you just use sound alittle bit like it was kind of63800:44:52,650 --> 00:44:53,070icky.63900:44:53,670 --> 00:44:55,980It is. Everywhere.64000:44:56,070 --> 00:44:58,590I know you so well, honey, Iknow. I know what you think64100:44:58,590 --> 00:45:01,680something's achy. I'm like thatMy boy doesn't like this What's64200:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,460going on64300:45:02,550 --> 00:45:03,510is gross.64400:45:05,910 --> 00:45:09,000I almost automatically went tomark that like for no agenda,64500:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,030I'm always marking shit Devorahfor the opening segment, I64600:45:12,030 --> 00:45:15,300almost went to mark thatautomatically. Well, that64700:45:15,330 --> 00:45:20,040that's the and this is not agood way to do it. But if you64800:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,110had to, you could I mean,that's, that's, that's fine. The64900:45:25,710 --> 00:45:30,030The nice thing would be to youwould be to use the protocol65000:45:30,060 --> 00:45:35,310attribute. And yeah, yeah, yes.Right. It says Twitter or65100:45:35,310 --> 00:45:39,180activity pub or whatever, andthen go hit the URL with thread65200:45:39,180 --> 00:45:41,880cap or whatever tool you'reusing in just a second.65300:45:42,090 --> 00:45:46,350So now you're waiting commentson this. So we can then go to65400:45:46,350 --> 00:45:47,280finalization.65500:45:47,820 --> 00:45:50,970Yes, I'm waiting comments on thecomments. I have a65600:45:51,090 --> 00:45:56,640some comments for you on theblock tag as proposed. Oh, Lord.65700:45:58,020 --> 00:45:58,770Oh, Lord.65800:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,660What are your comments on theblog tag? I'm afraid.65900:46:04,949 --> 00:46:05,699Yeah, you should be.66000:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,710Yes. I'm sure you hate it.66100:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,430Oh, no, I don't hate it. Infact, I am resisting. Resisting66200:46:16,950 --> 00:46:20,760my inner urge to love it, whichis very is very, very hard.66300:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,710Because my my brain weird thingto say? Yes. My Yeah. So my, in66400:46:25,710 --> 00:46:30,780my heart in my heart, whichconcerns me, my heart, and I'll66500:46:30,780 --> 00:46:33,210explain, let me just get thefeeling out, then I'll explain66600:46:33,210 --> 00:46:37,350why my heart really desiresthis. And I know it's a sin.66700:46:38,910 --> 00:46:40,110Oh, okay.66800:46:40,500 --> 00:46:44,610So I'm very, and I mean, this, Imean, this, I'm very conflicted66900:46:44,610 --> 00:46:49,680about it. So I looked at theslug list, the num of all the67000:46:49,680 --> 00:46:56,250platforms, you can signal inyour feed, to block to block67100:46:56,250 --> 00:47:00,720your podcast from beingingested. And it includes every67200:47:00,720 --> 00:47:04,050app. Every and I'm sure the listwill expand.67300:47:04,470 --> 00:47:07,380Yeah, it'll be the entire end.And I want to67400:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,400I want to warn everybody thatthis is a very, very dangerous67500:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,760tag. This will fucking ruineverything, for the reasons of67600:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,630the sin I have in my heart.Because here's how it would be67700:47:24,630 --> 00:47:30,810used in a fit of grumpiness.Fuck those guys. I'm blocking67800:47:32,550 --> 00:47:38,850I'm blocking fountain from myfeed. That's what's gonna67900:47:38,850 --> 00:47:42,870happen. So I'm warning for this.68000:47:45,330 --> 00:47:50,520Noted it's been it's been it'sbeen written. So that68100:47:50,670 --> 00:47:54,690when this this is soantithetical to the idea of68200:47:54,690 --> 00:47:59,160podcasting, it hurts and ithurts because I know exactly how68300:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,070it will be used because of thesin I have in my soul.68400:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,860You know, I'm right, you know,I'm right. Oh, no.68500:48:11,370 --> 00:48:15,780100% agree. 100% I mean, I thinkI'm the one who, you know,68600:48:16,170 --> 00:48:19,350usually go one rewind thisthing. And I think I'm the one68700:48:19,350 --> 00:48:23,070that said if, if this becomesabused, I'm immediately gonna68800:48:23,070 --> 00:48:23,910stop stop.68900:48:24,449 --> 00:48:28,139Right? You did say that. Yeah.And so then it will be ignored.69000:48:28,139 --> 00:48:31,769I mean, even the we have thejunior what is the the we have?69100:48:32,039 --> 00:48:36,359Do not import? What is that? TheLOGTAG the locked block yet69200:48:36,359 --> 00:48:39,569locked tag? Is that really beingfollowed by anybody?69300:48:40,949 --> 00:48:43,019A bus? Oh, yeah. Yeah, bus. Oh,69400:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,850and are a lot of people ignoringit?69500:48:48,210 --> 00:48:51,510Well, the ones you would expect?Yeah. Well, you know, exactly.69600:48:51,660 --> 00:48:54,990The anchor, you know. Exactly.Yeah, the big the ones that is69700:48:54,990 --> 00:49:00,180intended to stop they do. But,you know, I'm not opposed to.69800:49:03,780 --> 00:49:10,140I'm not opposed to tags, likethis that have? Did he know? Me?69900:49:10,320 --> 00:49:10,620Know, but70000:49:11,699 --> 00:49:14,729let me let me just and I'll justfinish it up. Because, of70100:49:14,729 --> 00:49:19,019course, okay, in this case,fountain could completely ignore70200:49:19,409 --> 00:49:24,329my block, which would thenresult in anger back and forth.70300:49:24,359 --> 00:49:26,939And then before you know it,even though I don't have block,70400:49:26,969 --> 00:49:29,729they won't put my feet in, youknow that I mean that and I'm70500:49:29,729 --> 00:49:32,369just using this as an examplebecause that's where I that's70600:49:32,369 --> 00:49:34,829where I feel this would havecome up. This is a perfect70700:49:34,829 --> 00:49:35,849example of that.70800:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,090Now, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well,I'm70900:49:39,089 --> 00:49:42,419just gonna say I'm 57 It's notmy first rodeo. I've done stupid71000:49:42,419 --> 00:49:43,319shit in my life.71100:49:44,850 --> 00:49:49,230Here's, let me give you the realworld example of how this came.71200:49:49,710 --> 00:49:53,580Because I was gonna let thissort of go away. But then,71300:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,220because of the comments thatI've had before,71400:49:57,149 --> 00:49:59,099and then I just spit on thewound didn't71500:49:59,759 --> 00:50:01,739know Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm nottalking about right now I'm71600:50:01,739 --> 00:50:04,829saying like, I was gonna letthis tag just disappeared, I was71700:50:04,829 --> 00:50:08,159not going to put it in the inthe fat in the Oh, okay. And I71800:50:08,159 --> 00:50:12,569was prepared to let it die onthe vine. But this specific71900:50:12,569 --> 00:50:19,289thing happened. And that is ahosting company contacted,72000:50:19,889 --> 00:50:26,579contacted me and said, Hey,there's about 50 or so feeds72100:50:27,149 --> 00:50:33,569that you have in the index, thatthey're not private feeds, but72200:50:33,599 --> 00:50:40,349there's about 50 of them that wedon't want listed publicly. And72300:50:40,349 --> 00:50:43,259I was like, Yeah, sure, justsend me the send me the list.72400:50:43,829 --> 00:50:46,919And they said we, and thisperson said, I'm surprised that72500:50:46,919 --> 00:50:51,269they showed up, because we putin the iTunes block tag.72600:50:51,510 --> 00:50:52,890Ah,72700:50:52,920 --> 00:51:01,230yeah. And, and I said, Well, myresponse was, Well, according to72800:51:01,230 --> 00:51:08,040the iTunes spam namespace, yeah,it only applies to Apple. So in72900:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,940the name in the in the namespacefor the in the iTunes namespace,73000:51:11,940 --> 00:51:15,360these are the officialdocumentation for that tag says73100:51:15,810 --> 00:51:21,900that. Apple, if that tag exists,Apple will not index the fees,73200:51:21,900 --> 00:51:22,200your73300:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,190rule follower.73400:51:23,730 --> 00:51:29,550I'm a rule follower. I mean,100%, you know, and so, and you,73500:51:29,730 --> 00:51:33,660but what happened was, becausethere's not a general purpose73600:51:33,690 --> 00:51:40,200block tag. Everybody treatsthat. Everybody within the73700:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,250podcast, let's just sayinfrastructure industry treats73800:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,540the iTunes block tag as if itmeans general block everybody,73900:51:48,540 --> 00:51:55,110right? And good on, you knowthat. Yeah, well, that has the74000:51:55,110 --> 00:52:02,760net effect that has the netresult of there is no way to74100:52:02,760 --> 00:52:11,370block only specific things. Youcan't block only apple and not74200:52:11,370 --> 00:52:16,530Google. You can either blockeverybody. Or nobody if that's74300:52:16,530 --> 00:52:20,370what this block the iTunes blocktag means, right? And it goes74400:52:20,370 --> 00:52:24,060even further because Jamesposted on Twitter, because me74500:52:24,060 --> 00:52:27,870and him were talking about thisprivately. And so he posted a74600:52:27,900 --> 00:52:33,180survey on Twitter, he said,Okay, if if I put iTunes block74700:52:33,210 --> 00:52:37,080in my feed, what does everybodythink that that means block a74800:52:37,110 --> 00:52:41,250block Apple or block everythingin the overwhelming majority of74900:52:41,250 --> 00:52:45,240people said that means onlyblock Apple, right? So there is75000:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,050a fundamental misunderstandingof what the iTunes block tag75100:52:49,050 --> 00:52:50,700means in a fee.75200:52:50,730 --> 00:52:52,200And how did you solve that withthem?75300:52:53,550 --> 00:52:57,300Oh, I just removed them by hand.You know, I removed it and and I75400:52:57,300 --> 00:53:03,390started I put into theaggregator to not index anything75500:53:03,390 --> 00:53:10,410that's got the block tag in it.Because because the the hosting75600:53:10,410 --> 00:53:13,680companies the infrastructurepeople think that that's what75700:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,470that means, even thougheverybody else does not an75800:53:16,470 --> 00:53:20,010infrastructure doesn't thinkthat's what that means. Exactly.75900:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,770So having a block tag thatallows more fine grained control76000:53:27,000 --> 00:53:35,490it seems kind of necessarybecause you it if I want my you76100:53:35,820 --> 00:53:40,560know agenda, you want the noagenda show to be in Apple's76200:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,470directory, but you don't want itin Spotify as directory with the76300:53:43,470 --> 00:53:47,160iTunes block tag. There's no wayto do that. There's really76400:53:47,490 --> 00:53:48,630absolutely no way to do76500:53:48,719 --> 00:53:57,059well but just so we're clear I'mokay with anybody importing my76600:53:57,059 --> 00:54:02,459feed. I'm not okay if you'regoing to run ads around it and76700:54:02,459 --> 00:54:05,519that's what Spotify does bydefault that's why they have you76800:54:05,519 --> 00:54:10,289sign their contract. Yeah, sothey're doing it the right way76900:54:10,289 --> 00:54:12,839even though it's ineffectivethey're doing it the right way.77000:54:13,319 --> 00:54:17,099I just don't agree with them. Sothat's fine, you know, but that77100:54:17,099 --> 00:54:20,579but I personally feel thereshould be no blockage.77200:54:21,780 --> 00:54:24,780Well, the Oh, I agree. 100% Idon't think there should be any77300:54:24,780 --> 00:54:32,340blockage at all the the podcasthosting infrastructure world is77400:54:32,370 --> 00:54:37,350convinced that the iTunes blocktag in means block means nobody77500:54:37,350 --> 00:54:41,280should index that feed. Andthat's a mess. Yeah,77600:54:41,370 --> 00:54:43,980it gives up it leaves apple withpower.77700:54:44,969 --> 00:54:49,259Yeah, so as I Okay, you eitherblock us and everybody else are77800:54:49,259 --> 00:54:53,849you blocking nobody. And likethat's not cool. That gives them77900:54:53,849 --> 00:54:54,929off the hook all the time.78000:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,720And bastards78100:55:03,449 --> 00:55:05,369I have a few other things.78200:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,840I've got a lot of thoughts inthe pot news report card, but I78300:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,850don't want to talk about thatthis week because I guess my78400:55:11,850 --> 00:55:13,740blood pressure up. No, I78500:55:13,740 --> 00:55:16,920had last week. Yeah, I have notlooked at it yet. I wanted to78600:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,670mention that the new version ofcast coverage, huh?78700:55:20,879 --> 00:55:22,829No, that thing is nuts. The appon78800:55:22,830 --> 00:55:23,490acid78900:55:26,910 --> 00:55:29,670that app is crazy. I mean, loveit.79000:55:29,730 --> 00:55:34,140It's, it's so it's dope. Itreally is. I mean, you go to79100:55:34,170 --> 00:55:39,120cast coverage.com. Oh, oops,sorry. Oh, it remembers all my79200:55:39,120 --> 00:55:44,220state. I didn't realize that.That's cool. Oops. Okay, so this79300:55:44,220 --> 00:55:49,320is what it does. It pops openwindows for every function. You79400:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,930can rearrange them, it haslittle connecting strings79500:55:51,930 --> 00:55:55,560between between it so you cancontrol different windows and79600:55:55,560 --> 00:55:56,520it's nuts.79700:55:56,820 --> 00:56:00,780It looks like an old is anybodyremember, this is exactly what79800:56:00,780 --> 00:56:03,510this looks like, if anybodyknows what this is. Does anybody79900:56:03,510 --> 00:56:08,370remember flux box? Or black boxWindow Manager for Linux? Or?80000:56:08,460 --> 00:56:14,190Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes.Flux box. You know, I'm looking80100:56:14,190 --> 00:56:15,090at it right now.80200:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,000That was my favorite WindowManager.80300:56:18,750 --> 00:56:21,270It was pretty damn simple. Yeah,80400:56:22,020 --> 00:56:24,390that was my favorite windowmanager because it had this one.80500:56:24,840 --> 00:56:31,200Here's the design philosophy offlux box slash black box. Is80600:56:32,370 --> 00:56:37,260there the only thing that everthe only thing you ever see on80700:56:37,260 --> 00:56:43,950the screen is a right click menunothing else and you know design80800:56:43,980 --> 00:56:47,880there's like there's like a compfile that you go into and design80900:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,790your your right click minion hadyou had like 12 different81000:56:50,790 --> 00:56:53,910hierarchies of stuff hanging offof it was awesome.81100:56:54,930 --> 00:56:58,200Yeah, I do remember this. Ofcourse, I never used it proper81200:56:58,230 --> 00:57:01,590properly. are probably moreconfused by it.81300:57:02,460 --> 00:57:05,760Raw relsci This needs a nicedark mode. Yes.81400:57:07,350 --> 00:57:10,980Needs dark mode. It does. Yeah.I just thought that was81500:57:10,980 --> 00:57:13,320fantastic. Oh, wait, wait, if81600:57:13,319 --> 00:57:17,069you wait, wait, if you click onthe bottom left, the little, the81700:57:17,069 --> 00:57:20,909little square at the bottomleft? Yeah, it changes the81800:57:20,999 --> 00:57:21,809window color.81900:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,010No, you kidding me?82000:57:24,630 --> 00:57:25,860It changed it to think82100:57:28,500 --> 00:57:31,230there was a really cool, reallycool article in The Guardian,82200:57:31,230 --> 00:57:33,300which I just wanted to mention,I put it in the show notes.82300:57:33,990 --> 00:57:37,770listening to podcasts onheadphones, increases perceived82400:57:37,800 --> 00:57:44,130intimacy with hosts researchfinds. I just wanted to bring82500:57:44,130 --> 00:57:47,520this up because, you know,people, my voice was good up82600:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,830until now. People always like,you know, you're really anal82700:57:52,830 --> 00:57:56,520about sound. Yes, I am. BecauseI know I know that we're in82800:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,660people's heads. And now theyhave data to back it up. It's82900:58:00,660 --> 00:58:01,590very intimate.83000:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,750You get to use that powerresponsibly. When you get into83100:58:06,750 --> 00:58:09,480somebody's head don't just oh,you know, just be pulling wires.83200:58:09,510 --> 00:58:15,000There is so much power in audio.Because remember, everything is83300:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,770vibration. Everything isvibration. And so when it's83400:58:19,770 --> 00:58:22,950vibrating when when when myvoice vibrates through the83500:58:22,950 --> 00:58:25,440microphone and vibrates outthrough your speakers, your83600:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,560earbuds and vibrates into yourbody, you become an antenna for83700:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,470the vibration. And so when Ishake the rainstick we get83800:58:31,470 --> 00:58:32,940tornadoes in Austin.83900:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,790Butterfly butterflies and TalonSouth America, Shaolin84000:58:38,790 --> 00:58:48,390yeah this shit real Oh, oneother just general thing I get a84100:58:48,390 --> 00:58:51,000lot of people saying how arethey any of these apps on the F84200:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,940droid store? And I think isMitchell updating pod verse on F84300:58:56,940 --> 00:59:00,510droid? I mean, I know it's apain in the ass I have a feeling84400:59:00,510 --> 00:59:03,810it may not be but a lot ofpeople are really looking for84500:59:03,810 --> 00:59:06,570any of our apps on F droid84600:59:08,340 --> 00:59:12,540that's a good question. I don'tknow if he is or not. I don't84700:59:12,540 --> 00:59:15,930know because he hadn't he hadreally talked about at one point84800:59:15,930 --> 00:59:17,910dropping it because I think hesaid it was a real pain.84900:59:19,469 --> 00:59:22,079Yeah, well, I can understand it.I'm doing well. There's just85000:59:22,079 --> 00:59:24,809some low hanging fruit there isI guess what I'm pointing out85100:59:25,770 --> 00:59:29,220what is the deal with F droid?Is is it in order to get in it85200:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,770you can't have any dependency ona Google library?85300:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,130I don't know I don't think so.But I have no idea you know,85400:59:35,130 --> 00:59:39,300they they always put in thereyou know some not so friendly85500:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,540features features you may notlike you know like uses third85600:59:42,540 --> 00:59:46,290party networks blah blah blah.So Intel at least it tells you85700:59:46,290 --> 00:59:48,810about all the stuff I don't knowif they forbid anything85800:59:48,810 --> 00:59:52,230specifically. I think opensource is that it Yeah, cold85900:59:52,230 --> 00:59:53,970acid said it has to be opensource.86000:59:54,660 --> 00:59:58,920Alex just posted the links. Iguess it's I guess if pod vs in86100:59:58,920 --> 00:59:59,040there.86200:59:59,100 --> 01:00:03,390Oh, it is Oh good. Good. Yeah.Looks like Good, okay. Because I86301:00:03,390 --> 01:00:05,670just want to send people therewhen they ask. Oh, and that's86401:00:05,670 --> 01:00:08,010one other thing about the usersand developers partying86501:00:08,010 --> 01:00:13,200together. This is not to excludethe listeners, you have a duty86601:00:13,200 --> 01:00:19,080to. You got it, you got if youhear if you learn about a new86701:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,560podcast apps.com from apodcaster, tell the other86801:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,730podcast you're listening to, youknow, makes a difference. That's86901:00:26,730 --> 01:00:29,580how it works. That's howhistorically podcasting grows is87001:00:29,580 --> 01:00:34,140through the content, the contentinteracting in real time with87101:00:34,140 --> 01:00:37,800the development of the platform,the software, the standard.87201:00:39,150 --> 01:00:41,250Right? You have a duty to boost.87301:00:45,540 --> 01:00:46,500patriotic duty?87401:00:46,740 --> 01:00:50,280Hell, yeah. If you're a globalcitizen.87501:00:53,400 --> 01:01:00,510I think that when it comes whenit comes to that notion, going87601:01:00,510 --> 01:01:05,700back to the value for valuething for a second in his wound87701:01:05,700 --> 01:01:07,980is sort of listenerresponsibility, or whatever you87801:01:07,980 --> 01:01:11,280want to call it. I was listeningto buck bus cast yesterday. And87901:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,980they were saying they had this.They had a podcaster on there.88001:01:17,100 --> 01:01:22,260This lady does does a podcast ontheir network. And she was88101:01:22,260 --> 01:01:27,720talking about how she had had alot of success on Patreon. She88201:01:27,720 --> 01:01:32,580said that they took like,roughly 8%. Really, she said,88301:01:32,580 --> 01:01:35,070but there were there were higherlevels that would give you other88401:01:35,070 --> 01:01:38,640options. Like you could go ashigh like 12% or something. And88501:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,830they would do other things. Butshe said they've had a lot of88601:01:40,830 --> 01:01:48,180success. And when they weretalking about, oh, why? She88701:01:48,180 --> 01:01:52,380mentioned that. She thinks it'sgot to do with their call to88801:01:52,410 --> 01:01:56,760action. Where they you know, saydetail, they essentially they88901:01:56,760 --> 01:02:02,220tell their audience about it. Mmhmm. You know, and I was like,89001:02:02,220 --> 01:02:03,330Well, yeah,89101:02:04,110 --> 01:02:08,310yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, life'snot like magic.89201:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,980Well, this See, this isimportant, though, because I89301:02:10,980 --> 01:02:16,890don't think that, like, this isthe big issue with value for89401:02:16,890 --> 01:02:21,660value and how boosts and thatkind of thing have been, have89501:02:21,660 --> 01:02:24,870been seen in other products.Some podcasts are doing this89601:02:25,110 --> 01:02:29,220very, very well. Yep. And otherpodcasts are not doing it at89701:02:29,220 --> 01:02:33,120all. You know, they just sort ofput a value book in their feed.89801:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,140And then it's like, Okay, I'mdone. But no, I mean, like, if89901:02:37,140 --> 01:02:41,040you want, you can just hook upPatreon is okay, I'm done. I90001:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,530mean, you got to tell peoplelike, that's the thing, the the90101:02:43,530 --> 01:02:49,500value for value is critical. Itis just like anything else, you90201:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,450have to tell people that isthere. You have90301:02:51,450 --> 01:02:54,240to tell people that it's there.You have to tell people why it's90401:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,600no different from I don't know,if you have, do you have the ads90501:02:57,630 --> 01:02:59,640that are running now they'remaybe they're local to our90601:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,830network, where the there's akind of a, you know, older90701:03:04,830 --> 01:03:09,660millennial ish woman, and she'sin Ukraine, and it's for the war90801:03:09,660 --> 01:03:13,170torn Jews, and she's with thisold woman who looks just perfect90901:03:13,170 --> 01:03:16,590for the part. And it's a reallylong ad, and it's all to raise91001:03:16,590 --> 01:03:20,100money for a nonprofit. And, youknow, that's a heart wrenching91101:03:20,130 --> 01:03:24,840ad. How many times you've hadHave you heard one 807, seven91201:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,660cars for kids. You know, ifRonald McDonald House never had91301:03:30,810 --> 01:03:35,880communication with their, with,with their patrons, or former91401:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,000patient or family members, Ishould say,91501:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,280that Humane Society, there's noone91601:03:41,310 --> 01:03:44,010no one would ever give anything.Because if you don't ask, they91701:03:44,010 --> 01:03:47,100don't give. That's the part thatpeople have to get over. That's91801:03:47,100 --> 01:03:49,710the hardest part, you know,divorce, and I writing the book91901:03:49,710 --> 01:03:53,610about it, it's really, reallyweird to do that. But when you92001:03:53,610 --> 01:03:57,150do it, that's when, when you seeit come alive.92101:03:58,770 --> 01:04:02,940There's, you know, there's, ifyou just want the fun of, if92201:04:02,940 --> 01:04:06,600you're just if you're notwanting to get money or anything92301:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,910like that from a podcast, Imean, you know, age, what the92401:04:08,910 --> 01:04:12,900fun of the technology, andthat's fine. But if, if, as a if92501:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,560you actually want to, you know,if your goal was to monetize in92601:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,280some way, well, then you justyou have to tell people how they92701:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,930can do it. Otherwise, they justdon't know, you know, but you92801:04:24,930 --> 01:04:27,690know, hey, you know, but thatactually isn't true. But I'm92901:04:27,690 --> 01:04:31,440thinking now that I'm thinkingabout this. This is actually an93001:04:31,440 --> 01:04:37,410interesting part of value valueas it's implemented in apps, in93101:04:37,410 --> 01:04:45,180the podcast into porno apps. Ijust remember the lightbulb93201:04:45,180 --> 01:04:50,790moment, all right. You're litall lit. I'll get the live tag.93301:04:51,180 --> 01:04:58,230The the other eye ways ofmonetizing, like Patreon and93401:04:58,230 --> 01:05:03,000stuff involve you having to tellyour audience that is there?93501:05:04,260 --> 01:05:07,380Because they need becauseotherwise they would not know.93601:05:08,370 --> 01:05:14,670But but the podcasting 2.0 appssurface the boost button on the93701:05:14,670 --> 01:05:19,500page where the when it sees anad a podcast that is value93801:05:19,500 --> 01:05:23,250enabled. Yes, sir. That's how Iknow like for that one, that's93901:05:23,249 --> 01:05:25,889the square Yes, your finger onthat's the square you need to94001:05:25,889 --> 01:05:27,959put your finger on. There's noother square94101:05:28,529 --> 01:05:33,089yet. So this actually solves thediscoverability issue with94201:05:33,089 --> 01:05:37,379monetization. Mm hmm. Why did Inot see this before? So like94301:05:37,379 --> 01:05:42,239when I'm in cast Matic, which iswhat I usually use on a daily94401:05:42,239 --> 01:05:47,489driver, is when there's a valuefor value podcast. It pops up94501:05:47,519 --> 01:05:50,519like I see the boost button. Ifit's no boost button. There's no94601:05:50,519 --> 01:05:53,939bear. Yeah, it's not they don'thave value bought. Like,94701:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,190that's genius.94801:05:56,370 --> 01:05:59,520That's genius. And I justfigured it out. I'm not a94901:05:59,520 --> 01:06:00,150genius. Yeah,95001:06:00,150 --> 01:06:03,270no hunting around for PayPalbuttons or anything like that.95101:06:03,270 --> 01:06:06,030No. And it's consistent acrossall apps.95201:06:06,660 --> 01:06:10,950I'm resisting the urge to diveinto the podcasts the pod news95301:06:10,950 --> 01:06:13,230report card because it goes intoa lot of this stuff. I want to95401:06:13,470 --> 01:06:18,690talk about that next week butthat is there there was there95501:06:18,690 --> 01:06:21,900was criticism in there of usfocusing too much on crypto95601:06:21,930 --> 01:06:30,930stuff. And but that like that'sthis is important, and I'm not95701:06:30,930 --> 01:06:33,180getting into it. I'm not doingit again. My95801:06:33,180 --> 01:06:35,940goodness. Dave is too bad youyou can only meet with me on95901:06:35,940 --> 01:06:40,440your lunch hour. We had moretime. We could have so much more96001:06:40,440 --> 01:06:41,250fun together96101:06:43,739 --> 01:06:49,049that's the yeah anyway that'sthat just hit me and I can't96201:06:49,049 --> 01:06:51,179believe I didn't realize thatbefore. It's a96301:06:51,180 --> 01:06:52,650Genius system.96401:06:53,790 --> 01:06:57,270is genius. And Alex is righttoo. You can do it for blogs and96501:06:57,270 --> 01:07:01,080stuff if you put that in therebecause it just shows up. Yep.96601:07:01,110 --> 01:07:06,600It's it's not a matter of ofhaving to like tell people like96701:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,270it's a it's a UI. This is a UI96801:07:09,300 --> 01:07:12,510Yeah. This this is what I wastalking to Steven B about I said96901:07:12,510 --> 01:07:16,020can you spruce up your yourwidget you know this goes back97001:07:16,020 --> 01:07:19,740because he heard what we weretalking about about 40% of women97101:07:19,740 --> 01:07:23,910listened to the podcast on thewebsite to paint he just make97201:07:23,910 --> 01:07:27,540your little player widget cagejust have a boost in there and a97301:07:27,540 --> 01:07:31,380wallet wallet support and youknow expand window or whatever i97401:07:31,380 --> 01:07:33,240don't know i mean it makes somuch sense.97501:07:34,739 --> 01:07:37,919He cleaned up something becauseit looks different. I don't know97601:07:37,919 --> 01:07:40,979if you've seen it like thedonation set. thing where it97701:07:40,979 --> 01:07:42,449says pricing i think97801:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,290i in the price I use it everyday. What did I miss?97901:07:46,650 --> 01:07:48,060Was if you click on the pricing98001:07:48,060 --> 01:07:51,570link at the top Oh pricing. Idon't I never click on pricing.98101:07:52,199 --> 01:07:55,799Is this curio casters biscuit alittle donation widget there.98201:07:57,719 --> 01:08:02,579Yeah, QR code. Oh, yeah.98301:08:03,989 --> 01:08:08,159Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh,98401:08:08,160 --> 01:08:15,240it's a donate needs to donatewhat he does? Yeah. 3% and 3% of98501:08:15,240 --> 01:08:15,900the amount is it?98601:08:16,650 --> 01:08:20,250My god, that's an outrageousfee. That's impressive.98701:08:23,759 --> 01:08:25,979Are you hitting all thecylinders to know well,98801:08:25,980 --> 01:08:28,740wait on that. Hey, by the way,aren't you on vacation next98901:08:28,740 --> 01:08:31,740week? Brother? Me? Yeah, Ithought you were going on99001:08:31,740 --> 01:08:37,260vacation. No, when when? Becauseyou weren't? You weren't going99101:08:37,260 --> 01:08:40,410to Bitcoin? 2022. I thought justbecause you're on vacation, or99201:08:40,410 --> 01:08:41,430was that something else? Oh,99301:08:41,430 --> 01:08:43,920no. Is because it's tax season.Oh, screw99401:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,650that because we have a problem,Houston. Oh, no.99501:08:46,650 --> 01:08:47,790Are you gonna be out of townnext week?99601:08:48,030 --> 01:08:55,380Two weeks to Friday? Oh, no.Yes. Two Fridays? Yeah. Bummer.99701:08:55,500 --> 01:09:03,030Now we can we can do a Thursdayevening, which I'm fine with.99801:09:03,030 --> 01:09:09,060I'll survive, which I would kindof prefer as this. So that would99901:09:09,060 --> 01:09:13,860be next or this coming Thursday.And then we could do if you want100001:09:13,860 --> 01:09:17,850Saturday when I come back. I'llcome back Friday, but I'll be100101:09:17,850 --> 01:09:22,230back too late for the show. Andnot and I'll be I won't. I won't100201:09:22,230 --> 01:09:24,870have time to prepare. I don'twant to miss the board meeting.100301:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,310That's incredibly important tome. Yeah, sure. We can do it100401:09:29,310 --> 01:09:31,890there. We got to go spread. Mydad's ashes are Oh, no, wait,100501:09:31,890 --> 01:09:34,170this is our vacation. That's adifferent trip. There'll be no100601:09:34,170 --> 01:09:35,310interruption of that trip.100701:09:36,090 --> 01:09:40,380Okay. Yeah. So you're so you'reokay, so we would do this come100801:09:40,380 --> 01:09:41,640in Thursday night.100901:09:42,180 --> 01:09:44,370Unless you want to just take oneweek off.101001:09:46,169 --> 01:09:48,089I mean, we can take one weekoff.101101:09:48,150 --> 01:09:51,240No, but I mean, it's more foryou. I'm fine doing it. But101201:09:53,250 --> 01:09:55,920as long as I can. I don't know.We'll talk about that to share.101301:09:55,920 --> 01:09:56,040We'll101401:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,590finish all right. Okay, sorryabout that. Didn't mean to101501:09:58,590 --> 01:09:59,880spring it on you but yeah,101601:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,390That's okay. No, no tech, if I'mfried,101701:10:03,390 --> 01:10:06,510I'm fried. I need I need a weekoff. I'm so fried.101801:10:07,620 --> 01:10:10,500Do we want to talk about thework on the aggregator?101901:10:10,830 --> 01:10:13,590Yeah, I'd love to hear about theaggregate aggregator. It's102001:10:13,620 --> 01:10:14,280exciting.102101:10:17,910 --> 01:10:22,530It was not at all. I'm about I'mabout to rock your world. And if102201:10:22,530 --> 01:10:22,680you're102301:10:23,430 --> 01:10:25,800just aggravate, that's whatwe're talking about here.102401:10:26,550 --> 01:10:31,110aggravator, it's the this is notthat. This is not that,102501:10:31,410 --> 01:10:38,970necessarily. It's tied to it.But so here, so that they that102601:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,740the polar the new polar, theaggravator. Polar is, is done.102701:10:43,740 --> 01:10:47,550Mostly I'm am still tweaking it,tiny bits. But it does what I102801:10:47,550 --> 01:10:50,940need it to. It's very simple.It's only about 350 lines of102901:10:50,940 --> 01:10:55,980frost. And it's it's very, verysimple and fast. All it really103001:10:55,980 --> 01:11:00,600does is pulls the feeds. Yougive it a list of feeds it, it103101:11:01,170 --> 01:11:06,390pulls them down, and then savesa saves it in a feed file with103201:11:06,390 --> 01:11:10,860the status code last date, timea tag all that. So it's very103301:11:10,860 --> 01:11:15,870simple, then it gives it backthen it hands it over to the103401:11:15,900 --> 01:11:23,040parser. In the process, if itsees a redirect file, sees or103501:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,020excuse me, if it sees a redirectfrom HTTP, it kicks that out as103601:11:28,020 --> 01:11:32,340a separate file in a differentfolder. If it sees a three Oh,103701:11:32,370 --> 01:11:36,900if it sees a permanent redirect,if it sees a 301 or 308. It103801:11:36,900 --> 01:11:40,380writes that as a fileseparately, what does 308 mean?103901:11:41,550 --> 01:11:49,020Through a means? Permanent? It'sa permanent redirect. That means104001:11:49,950 --> 01:11:51,720the current hacked email, yeah,don't104101:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,670worry about it. No, I'll look itup.104201:11:54,120 --> 01:12:05,010Yeah, look at the so theseredirects get handled. So you104301:12:05,010 --> 01:12:08,970follow the redirect? Obviously,you're you're being redirected.104401:12:09,390 --> 01:12:12,960So you get the content. But ifit's a permanent redirect, you104501:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,330really want to update the feedURL.104601:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,630Yeah, 3308 is permanent. 301 isjust a redirect.104701:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,840Now three ones are permanent topermanent for two different104801:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,350reasons. And the reasons arekind of subtle. I think, if I104901:12:31,350 --> 01:12:33,690remember correctly, threeweights are not nearly as common105001:12:33,690 --> 01:12:37,410as three Oh, ones. It's it's aprobably 100 to one ratio, if105101:12:37,410 --> 01:12:44,790not more. But you so we writethe redirect, file out, so that105201:12:44,790 --> 01:12:50,700a script later can come through,read those redirect files and105301:12:50,730 --> 01:12:58,650update the database accordingly.That redirect file is taking 10105401:12:58,650 --> 01:13:03,810times longer to write then theactual writing actual polar did105501:13:03,840 --> 01:13:09,810okay. Because it is fraught withdecision making. Oh, that, you105601:13:09,810 --> 01:13:10,020know,105701:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,300rules rules from the rulefollower.105801:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,760Yeah, yeah. And so like back, ifyou're writing in the past, you105901:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,720know, have always writtenregular old RSS blog106001:13:22,740 --> 01:13:26,700aggregators, and that it's easy.It's easy to handle redirects,106101:13:26,700 --> 01:13:29,700and their HTTP is the law.That's the only thing that106201:13:29,700 --> 01:13:34,710matters. So if and if you get ifyou get a 301 through an HTTP106301:13:34,710 --> 01:13:38,430redirect, you just update thedatabase and keep on chugging.106401:13:39,570 --> 01:13:46,320But in podcasting, oh, it's ait's a complete mess. Because106501:13:47,610 --> 01:13:52,200what you have is a you have moreyou have directories that have106601:13:52,230 --> 01:13:58,500identifiers. did expect they mapan identifier out to a feed URL,106701:13:58,500 --> 01:13:59,850and they expect that106801:14:00,330 --> 01:14:03,570Oh, I see your outcome. Yeah, Isee where it breaks. Yeah,106901:14:03,870 --> 01:14:08,310you have to keep things in sync,right. So what, you know, iTunes107001:14:08,310 --> 01:14:17,040number, you know, to 163489 onmy URL for for that iTunes ID107101:14:17,130 --> 01:14:21,720needs to match what Marco's IDright URL is right? Right.107201:14:21,720 --> 01:14:27,000Right, right and what apples isso and that's just one decision.107301:14:27,300 --> 01:14:32,910So then it may here's here's atypical scenario. A redirect it107401:14:32,910 --> 01:14:37,770hits a redirect, picks it up inthe script has to do something107501:14:37,770 --> 01:14:42,960along these lines. Look at thecurrent URL, see if see if it's107601:14:42,960 --> 01:14:48,300valid. Check them checked invalid I mean, like, see the107701:14:48,300 --> 01:14:52,080discount XML content parses intoa proper feed. Look at the new107801:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,290URL. Make sure it it does. Sothat there there's not some107901:14:55,290 --> 01:14:58,470phantom death there that's goingon. Make sure both of them108001:14:58,470 --> 01:15:06,840validate then go through andsay, Okay, does this feed, have108101:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,910an iTunes ID? Okay, if it doesping the iTunes, ping Apple's108201:15:11,910 --> 01:15:18,240API, and see what they say thatthe URL is, save that hang on to108301:15:18,240 --> 01:15:27,600that value, then look into ourdatabase. And see if the URL108401:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,990that's being redirected toalready exists as another feed108501:15:30,990 --> 01:15:34,800ID. Likewise, we've, we've gotthe old one. And we've also108601:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,770picked up the the new one that'sbeing redirected to as a new108701:15:37,770 --> 01:15:44,010feed. If that's the case, see ifthat one has an iTunes ID, if it108801:15:44,010 --> 01:15:47,910does ping apples, if it'sdifferent ping Apple's API and108901:15:47,910 --> 01:15:53,040see what that URL says, nowyou've got potentially four109001:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,920different URLs that you're goingto have to make sense out of,109101:15:57,060 --> 01:16:01,410if, if the conflicting, if theconflicting feed is not does not109201:16:01,410 --> 01:16:06,120have an iTunes ID, ie kill it,mark it as a duplicate of the109301:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,750other one with a number pointingback to the original one. And109401:16:09,750 --> 01:16:13,470then repol, that feed, set thenew URL, and you're done. If the109501:16:13,470 --> 01:16:17,130other one does have an iTunesID, and it matches this one, you109601:16:17,130 --> 01:16:19,830can do the same thing. If it'sgot a different iTunes, Id just109701:16:19,830 --> 01:16:24,630bail and kick it out and make afix it. This, there's this whole109801:16:24,630 --> 01:16:28,320big mess of you know, and I wastrying to figure this out and109901:16:28,320 --> 01:16:28,830say, well,110001:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,780at the end of this, after allthose things have happened, all110101:16:33,780 --> 01:16:36,480those decisions are made betweenfour different feeds, I can't110201:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,380even imagine what thepossibility of things has to be110301:16:40,380 --> 01:16:44,100looked at. Does a candy bar popout of the slot at the bottom?110401:16:46,860 --> 01:16:51,360Just munch on that, like, yes,it worked. Your Your reward110501:16:51,480 --> 01:16:59,640is ice cream. That so like I wasexplaining this on the on the110601:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,590Macedon? And I said, Well, youknow, okay, so this is a very110701:17:04,590 --> 01:17:09,750typical thing that would happenthis scenario, the redirect, and110801:17:09,750 --> 01:17:13,920the redirect says, Okay, you hitan anchor feed in it says, Okay,110901:17:13,920 --> 01:17:19,350I'm redirecting you over to podbean. Well, now, but I do have111001:17:19,350 --> 01:17:24,450an iTunes ID, ping Apple. AndApple still shows the old111101:17:24,450 --> 01:17:30,750anchor, knot pod bean. So whatdo you do? Do you do you set it111201:17:30,750 --> 01:17:34,200as pod bean? Because clearly,the feed wants you over at pod111301:17:34,200 --> 01:17:41,850bean. But Apple says no, it'sit's not its anchor. And so, you111401:17:41,850 --> 01:17:47,100know, Marco, pipe, you know, he,he pitched in and said, Just111501:17:47,100 --> 01:17:51,060keep it at anchor because hesaid, I've seen too many times111601:17:51,060 --> 01:17:58,920that podcasters will set aredirect and then say, Oh, crap,111701:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,480I did. I wish I didn't do that.111801:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,980But how does that? How does thatfit with? The source of truth is111901:18:04,980 --> 01:18:05,640the feed?112001:18:06,570 --> 01:18:08,820Well, because of this, seeingthat that's where it gets112101:18:08,820 --> 01:18:14,100tricky, because the source oftruth is the feed. But that's112201:18:14,100 --> 01:18:17,760not what is telling you thatisn't that's not what's giving112301:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,900you this information was lyingnation, it's lying. was giving112401:18:21,900 --> 01:18:24,750you the information is theserver that serving the feed,112501:18:24,750 --> 01:18:28,710which may not representaccurately the intent of the112601:18:28,710 --> 01:18:35,880podcaster. Oh, okay. Becausethink about iTunes, if you go,112701:18:36,330 --> 01:18:40,230and let me just say this, Imean, in general, this is why we112801:18:40,230 --> 01:18:42,990need to stop having Apple as thesource of truth112901:18:42,989 --> 01:18:46,589is because this this very, this,this Yeah,113001:18:47,070 --> 01:18:51,030we need to go back to a scenariowhere HTTP is the rule is the113101:18:51,030 --> 01:18:55,320law. And when it tells you to dosomething, you do it. Which,113201:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,200which is how the entire internetworked except for podcasting.113301:19:00,180 --> 01:19:05,010But if you say, like if a persongoes and they leave, anchor and113401:19:05,010 --> 01:19:08,670go to pod bean, or whatever, andthen they figure out, oh, I113501:19:08,670 --> 01:19:12,510still got some apps over herethat are hitting anchor, well,113601:19:12,510 --> 01:19:15,870I'm not going to change my, I'mnot going to update my iTunes113701:19:15,870 --> 01:19:18,210Connect or whatever it is,dashboard. I'm not going to113801:19:18,210 --> 01:19:21,270change that, because I don'twant to lose my followers in the113901:19:21,300 --> 01:19:25,500old Apple podcast app versus thenew one. So I'm just gonna it's114001:19:25,500 --> 01:19:29,910just, it's just such a mess. Andso he's, he's right. I mean, and114101:19:29,910 --> 01:19:34,920at the end, at the end of itall, if he has an iTunes ID in114201:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,600overcast, and we have an iTunesID in the index, and we're both114301:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,850syncing together, those URLsneed to be the same.114401:19:42,990 --> 01:19:47,280So how do we how do we cut out alot of this longer term?114501:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,030Good, man, I got no clue. Imean, we just keep on chugging,114601:19:54,030 --> 01:19:58,740I guess, and keep on. Keep ontrying to make things make the114701:19:58,740 --> 01:20:00,600index as good as possible. Sothat114801:20:00,690 --> 01:20:06,150what can we ask Apple to do tomake this go away? No,114901:20:06,150 --> 01:20:06,870seriously.115001:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,860I'm serious and laughing aboutit, because I don't think they115101:20:10,860 --> 01:20:11,400care.115201:20:11,820 --> 01:20:14,880But I'm asking what the whatwhat the ask would be?115301:20:17,850 --> 01:20:21,750I don't even know. I mean, this,I don't think it's a model that115401:20:21,750 --> 01:20:25,500can change. I mean, they'recommitted to it at this point.115501:20:26,910 --> 01:20:30,060It's just a thing like that.That's the way their entire115601:20:30,060 --> 01:20:33,900system works. And they've, andthey've recently changed it, you115701:20:33,900 --> 01:20:37,620know, to put their IDs at evenmore central to their system,115801:20:37,620 --> 01:20:39,810because they're centralizedtheir aggregators, and it's not115901:20:39,810 --> 01:20:43,890at the app level anymore. Yeah,I don't know, I don't think they116001:20:43,890 --> 01:20:44,640can change.116101:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,350Right. But but if they, if theyall of a sudden turned off their116201:20:49,350 --> 01:20:55,470API, or said, You got to pay forit, or whatever, what we116301:20:55,470 --> 01:20:58,080understand the overallimplications, but part of that's116401:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,830why we're here. How would thatwork with all these redirects116501:21:01,830 --> 01:21:02,610and all that shit?116601:21:05,790 --> 01:21:06,990Well, I II,116701:21:06,990 --> 01:21:10,440would 50% of the universe bestill happy? And then the other116801:21:10,440 --> 01:21:11,40050 would not.116901:21:16,230 --> 01:21:21,690You know, it comes. You've gotthis layer on top, you've got117001:21:21,690 --> 01:21:26,580this layer on top of HTTP. Andthat's, that's the problematic117101:21:26,580 --> 01:21:32,700point is you have you say, yousay, okay, my, my server is117201:21:32,700 --> 01:21:36,030telling you to do one thing. Andnow but I'm going to go over to117301:21:36,030 --> 01:21:39,630this other special dashboard inover there, I'm going to tell it117401:21:39,630 --> 01:21:45,420to do for you to do somethingdifferent. And then like, I117501:21:45,420 --> 01:21:48,570don't know, at that point, theresults are undefined.117601:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,020Okay. So but it's certainservers that are redirecting117701:21:52,050 --> 01:21:52,890incorrectly?117801:21:54,060 --> 01:21:57,030Well, they've let you know.Here's what, let me give you an117901:21:57,030 --> 01:22:01,650example. Here's what Spreakerdoes. If you evidently like118001:22:01,650 --> 01:22:04,350stopped paying your bill, or Idon't know, like delete your118101:22:04,350 --> 01:22:09,270account or something not on it,you, you will get a redirect118201:22:09,270 --> 01:22:14,700from Spreaker. That redirectsyou to a Google search for the118301:22:14,700 --> 01:22:17,610title of your podcast that usedto be at that URL.118401:22:18,540 --> 01:22:21,090Let me Google that for you. Now,it's exactly118501:22:21,090 --> 01:22:25,740what it is. Yes. Which is kindof neat. Yeah, that's actually a118601:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,040good idea. But I mean, nobody'sever gonna see it because it's118701:22:29,040 --> 01:22:33,540an aggregator, right. But, butthat's the way like, that's the118801:22:33,540 --> 01:22:38,970way Spreaker handles it. Anchoranchor appears to just change118901:22:38,970 --> 01:22:42,630the feed in say, there's nolonger a feed here. That's what119001:22:42,630 --> 01:22:46,860the text is of. I don't knoweverybody hands with different119101:22:46,860 --> 01:22:48,930handles it differently. And Idon't have a good solution for119201:22:48,930 --> 01:22:51,420it. I mean, if there was, ifthere was a good solution for119301:22:51,420 --> 01:22:55,680it, it had been thought of bynow. But long term,119401:22:56,790 --> 01:23:00,750it seems like most of the hostsdo the redirects properly. I119501:23:00,750 --> 01:23:03,750mean, I'm just saying is it dowe need to do a blitz on podcast119601:23:03,750 --> 01:23:07,020hosts so that we can solve someof this once and for all, if all119701:23:07,020 --> 01:23:11,280podcast hosts, if all thepodcast host? I guess you119801:23:11,280 --> 01:23:12,210couldn't just this is not119901:23:12,210 --> 01:23:15,240a hosting. This is not aproduct, you're saying I see120001:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,540what you're saying. This is apodcast or problem. Because the120101:23:18,540 --> 01:23:23,640podcasters don't understand.Most podcasters when they move,120201:23:23,670 --> 01:23:27,570all they think about is is iswhen is changing it in iTunes.120301:23:29,130 --> 01:23:33,360Or whether or not they shouldone ever bury the lead.120401:23:34,260 --> 01:23:40,140You gave me all of you, Bear.Okay. You gave me this. And I120501:23:40,170 --> 01:23:42,540appreciate it. I loveunderstanding how this stuff120601:23:42,540 --> 01:23:45,630works. But if you just saidpodcasters Don't be idiots.120701:23:45,630 --> 01:23:48,030You've got to redirecteverywhere. That's something I120801:23:48,030 --> 01:23:48,810can work with.120901:23:49,260 --> 01:23:54,030Yeah, but that's that's notthat's no fun for me. I gotta121001:23:54,030 --> 01:23:57,780explain this. What else is myjob here? Taking my role away.121101:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,180Dave Jones, are you kidding me?If DeVore ag dies before I do121201:24:03,180 --> 01:24:08,430your it, man. We'll have Tina,we'll have Tina come in from121301:24:08,430 --> 01:24:12,720time to time. Mo on deck.121401:24:14,220 --> 01:24:17,310Do I have to drink one? Is thatthe is that the rule there? No.121501:24:17,880 --> 01:24:24,960Only was Tina. Yeah. You'regreat. You're great podcast or121601:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,350Dave Jones. You really are.Yeah, you have no idea how good121701:24:28,350 --> 01:24:28,800you are?121801:24:29,250 --> 01:24:31,890Well as to saying in the chatroom, that pod paying is a good121901:24:31,890 --> 01:24:33,870solution. That's not the onlything he's right. But if you122001:24:33,870 --> 01:24:36,630combine also if you combine podpaying with122101:24:36,870 --> 01:24:40,530the GUID Yeah, then we're inbusiness. Yeah, that's122201:24:40,530 --> 01:24:44,370the ultimacy in the GUI, a taghas been lost in the discussions122301:24:44,370 --> 01:24:47,670lately. But that's what it'smeant to ultimately resolve is122401:24:47,670 --> 01:24:53,010these kinds of issues that thegood you is the good tag exists122501:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,310to eventually make it where theecosystem can figure these122601:24:56,310 --> 01:25:00,000conflicts out themselves ratherthan having to go back and122701:25:00,420 --> 01:25:01,950Poland API for it.122801:25:02,220 --> 01:25:05,700Ice Cube soup in the chat sayswe need a podcast feed122901:25:05,700 --> 01:25:10,440health.com For podcaster to findout if they've screwed up. Let123001:25:10,440 --> 01:25:13,860me tell you I agree that's agreat idea. I mean, you have to123101:25:13,860 --> 01:25:19,470know that it's so hard to liveon the edge like this, I, you123201:25:19,470 --> 01:25:22,950know, I don't use a hostingcompany. So I am responsible for123301:25:22,950 --> 01:25:30,000a lot of moving parts in myfeed. And yeah, like, Wednesday,123401:25:30,330 --> 01:25:36,060I published and I, instead of2022, in the URL, it was 22 to123501:25:36,060 --> 01:25:41,010two. And so you know, then theenclosures invalid. And then123601:25:41,010 --> 01:25:43,830invariably, even though Ichanged my feed, it gets cached123701:25:43,830 --> 01:25:48,990and it's, it's a huge pain.Yeah, so when we have these new123801:25:48,990 --> 01:25:53,400experimental things, yeah. Imean, podcast feed health dot123901:25:53,610 --> 01:25:58,290WTF, that would be that wouldthat would be great for124001:25:58,290 --> 01:26:01,470promoting new features. Like allyour feed is great. But it could124101:26:01,470 --> 01:26:05,940be even better with chapters avalue block.124201:26:06,270 --> 01:26:09,900So you know, the podcast indexpage can do that itself. It can124301:26:09,900 --> 01:26:10,530say,124401:26:11,910 --> 01:26:14,760Ooh, that's interesting. That'sinteresting. Like you124501:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,390click a, click the button on thefeed page, and it goes in and124601:26:18,390 --> 01:26:21,450gives you like, this plainEnglish, English explanation of124701:26:21,450 --> 01:26:28,650what's wrong. It says, Hey,everybody, you know, Apple says124801:26:28,830 --> 01:26:33,870that you're in this feed is asad anchor, but we looked, and124901:26:33,870 --> 01:26:35,430it's pointing to pod bean.125001:26:36,180 --> 01:26:36,900Right?125101:26:36,900 --> 01:26:42,360You want to go fix this? Yeah.How about that? That'd be cool.125201:26:43,200 --> 01:26:43,950Somebody read it?125301:26:45,060 --> 01:26:49,920Is it done yet? Go read it. Allof this work. All of this genius125401:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,750coming from my partner here isworth a few SATs, I'd say the125501:26:54,750 --> 01:27:00,090only way we can fund this entireproject, and here we are. Paying125601:27:00,090 --> 01:27:01,710taxes on money we don't have.125701:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,550That's the funnest part. That'sthe greatest part of this125801:27:05,550 --> 01:27:06,030project.125901:27:06,060 --> 01:27:09,420Yes. And it's all in thelightning node. It's all in the126001:27:09,420 --> 01:27:12,840node in the servers baby. It'swhere it all is. Value for126101:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,980value. Now, we've talked a lotabout it. Now's your chance to126201:27:16,980 --> 01:27:20,190experience it for yourself. Weprefer you to get a modern126301:27:20,190 --> 01:27:24,360podcast app a new podcast appscalm and boost us big amounts126401:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,700but really it's the value thatyou determine that's the great126501:27:26,700 --> 01:27:30,360part about it is whatever youthink it's worth and that's very126601:27:30,360 --> 01:27:34,080subjective. You can also do itstill through Fiat fun coupons126701:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,400air there's one coming in bygoing to podcast index.org down126801:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,240at the bottom. You can click onthe PayPal button go to donate126901:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,540that way also there's an onchain. I should take a look and127001:27:45,540 --> 01:27:49,230see if we got any on chaindonations. Through tally coin.127101:27:49,290 --> 01:27:50,280Hold on a second. Oh,127201:27:50,340 --> 01:27:53,310I forget about on chain stuff.Yeah, I forgot127301:27:53,310 --> 01:27:56,250one for Korean the keeper andDame Jennifer has sent us like127401:27:56,670 --> 01:28:00,54023,000 SATs. My boys my boys.127501:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,960Go on male You're fading andjump in here and save you.127601:28:03,990 --> 01:28:07,590Yeah, you might have to say letme just see if we have anything127701:28:09,030 --> 01:28:17,190over here. Podcasting. 2.0 Herewe go. Well, yeah, we got the on127801:28:17,190 --> 01:28:20,070the 19th of March t shirt time.I think we already got that we127901:28:20,070 --> 01:28:21,060have that on the list.128001:28:23,100 --> 01:28:27,330Is that was that? Was thatthrough tally coin. I thought it128101:28:27,330 --> 01:28:28,410was a lightning donation.128201:28:29,010 --> 01:28:33,180It might be lightning. Whichalso works through tally coin.128301:28:34,650 --> 01:28:37,020Okay. 305095128401:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,480Yeah, that must be the t shirt.128501:28:39,570 --> 01:28:41,790Yeah, yeah. Okay, so yeah, thatone. All right. Good. We're128601:28:41,790 --> 01:28:44,130good. Should we Yeah, should wethank some people. Dave.128701:28:44,550 --> 01:28:55,110I would love to thank somepeople. Yes, I mean that that128801:28:55,110 --> 01:28:55,740might be my face.128901:28:55,770 --> 01:28:57,270My face is one of mine.129001:28:58,980 --> 01:29:09,360Marco $500. big baller PayPalbig board. No, no. He's a he's a129101:29:10,830 --> 01:29:14,520kid centric baller. I don't knowwhat how to say this there's a129201:29:15,270 --> 01:29:18,750we can do we can do thesetogether because Buzzsprout also129301:29:18,750 --> 01:29:21,000came in with $500 Double Double129401:29:21,960 --> 01:29:28,290I got to hit it shot 20 bladesjust makes me feel good129501:29:28,740 --> 01:29:32,910they're both in the they're bothin the in the Impala bouncing129601:29:32,970 --> 01:29:34,050that's right ocean that's129701:29:34,050 --> 01:29:37,860right shot kala. Thank you bothvery well, actually you thank129801:29:37,860 --> 01:29:42,960all of you. Buzzsprout not justone day it's yes. You got to129901:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,120talk day my voice I would getsome the drink.130001:29:45,150 --> 01:29:49,140Yeah, no, but we we appreciatethat so much because that is the130101:29:49,500 --> 01:29:52,800foundation. These these twodonations each month have become130201:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,130the foundation of of what we'redoing and then because their130301:29:56,130 --> 01:29:59,970subscriptions and they they hitevery month. Yes. Yeah, it takes130401:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,760to pressure off because we don'thave to worry about whether it's130501:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,780gonna happen or not. No, it'sfantastic and very much130601:30:06,780 --> 01:30:07,380appreciated, which130701:30:07,380 --> 01:30:10,590is of course, part of living onthe edge with podcasting. 2.0130801:30:10,590 --> 01:30:14,040with value for value is part ofit is living on the edge, will130901:30:14,040 --> 01:30:14,910we make rent?131001:30:16,529 --> 01:30:19,709Because that's, I mean, that'sthe thing is like, that's all I131101:30:19,709 --> 01:30:23,309ever care about. Cancer. Yeah,these get canceled at any131201:30:23,309 --> 01:30:26,849moment. We don't know. I mean,you don't know. So that's,131301:30:26,969 --> 01:30:31,799that's one of the reasons whywe're, we're trying to build up131401:30:31,859 --> 01:30:36,509enough money in the bank, to beable to run this for a while if131501:30:36,509 --> 01:30:40,529something really bad happened.And that's this makes it where131601:30:40,889 --> 01:30:45,149these, those two donations makeit. And rss.com comes in with131701:30:45,149 --> 01:30:48,449donations a lot that are big,those donations make it to where131801:30:48,809 --> 01:30:52,229we don't have to eat up everysingle bit of what we're doing131901:30:52,229 --> 01:30:57,719with to cover the overhead thefees, the hosting fees, and132001:30:57,779 --> 01:31:02,399lightning node and all thatstuff. It allows us to have the132101:31:02,429 --> 01:31:06,779extra to put in the bank for thefor the future. And that that'd132201:31:06,779 --> 01:31:12,899be we, me and Adam and I don'ttake any distributions. So132301:31:12,899 --> 01:31:14,819everything just stays in thebusiness. That's why we talk132401:31:14,819 --> 01:31:17,639about like, we're an LLC, Idon't have it worse in other132501:31:17,639 --> 01:31:20,609countries, but an LLC in theUnited States is a pass through.132601:31:20,819 --> 01:31:23,909So that means when the companygets money that goes on your132701:31:23,909 --> 01:31:27,059personal tax return, even if youdon't, even if it's still in the132801:31:27,059 --> 01:31:29,969bank and you never saw it, so wenever see a dime but we still132901:31:29,969 --> 01:31:34,139pay taxes on it. Anyway, thisrepeat really appreciates the133001:31:34,140 --> 01:31:39,900podcasting 2.0 vow of poverty,Dave. Embrace it, embrace it.133101:31:40,800 --> 01:31:46,410I did get to claim about threegrand of expenses on my taxes133201:31:46,410 --> 01:31:47,520though, goes to Bitcoin.133301:31:48,030 --> 01:31:53,070Yeah, no, you definitely get todeduct cool stuff.133401:31:53,910 --> 01:31:56,760Yeah, so that that saved me alot of money on taxes, but I133501:31:56,760 --> 01:32:04,740still wasn't no, like 700 bucks.Yeah. ephors. Ever Ralphie133601:32:05,130 --> 01:32:07,440Ralphie gave us $11.11133701:32:07,470 --> 01:32:12,510Ah, Rofi from Comcast coverage.Yep. Thank you, man.133801:32:12,540 --> 01:32:16,140He's full. He says we are theall powerful diesel fueled133901:32:16,140 --> 01:32:20,010freight train of freedom. comingthrough, keep it lit brothers.134001:32:20,010 --> 01:32:21,150Lots of love. Ralphie.134101:32:21,870 --> 01:32:24,270This podcast is live live itemtag.134201:32:24,930 --> 01:32:27,900I love it. That's a good, that'sa good acronym. I'm diggin that.134301:32:29,160 --> 01:32:36,090All right, we got some loose.Yeah. Now, this was extremely134401:32:36,090 --> 01:32:43,020confusing, because we had allthose comments mixed in here.134501:32:43,020 --> 01:32:45,480And you did a lot of cleanup.And I'm hoping I did it right.134601:32:46,140 --> 01:32:48,990Because we had to merge twodifferent two different sets of134701:32:48,990 --> 01:32:49,860boosts in here.134801:32:50,130 --> 01:32:54,180Just so what I did was anythingthat I could see appeared as a134901:32:54,180 --> 01:32:59,370comment. And that was notspecifically posted as a comment135001:32:59,370 --> 01:33:03,600as a booster gram, which I thinkwas none of them. We just were135101:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,310leaving out. Most of them were101 SATs for some reason, or 100135201:33:08,310 --> 01:33:08,850SATs.135301:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,970That seemed to be a consistentvalue. Yeah, yeah.135401:33:13,530 --> 01:33:18,630So and it didn't matter if whatwhat who was saying what? For135501:33:18,630 --> 01:33:21,450against positive negative? Wejust left all of those out.135601:33:22,530 --> 01:33:25,980Yeah. Because this is boostedramps.135701:33:27,480 --> 01:33:30,360Yep. Yeah. It was not an easyprocess.135801:33:31,650 --> 01:33:34,470Stephen, he says again, Ithought you guys were doing this135901:33:34,470 --> 01:33:35,850to make curry rich.136001:33:36,060 --> 01:33:38,520Yeah, we're gonna do I'm gonnatalk about that next time.136101:33:39,270 --> 01:33:43,290That's, that's my pet peeve ofthis is nuts. Okay, back to136201:33:43,290 --> 01:33:49,050booster grams. Macintosh gave us100 SAS. And he says, Thanks for136301:33:49,050 --> 01:33:52,260all you're doing. Thanks for allyou're doing you to rock. Thank136401:33:52,260 --> 01:33:52,620you. Thank136501:33:52,620 --> 01:33:55,350you very much. We feel like werock today. Yeah,136601:33:55,860 --> 01:34:03,120rock, rock edge, boost boost.Braun of London 1948 19 1948136701:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,510SAS. He's, uh, He's liking that.By far the hardest part of my136801:34:06,510 --> 01:34:09,270relearning to code has been myexperience setting up dev136901:34:09,270 --> 01:34:11,340environments. But once you getit, it works. Great.137001:34:11,610 --> 01:34:16,050Yeah, thank you. And thank youfor so I have not I did not dive137101:34:16,050 --> 01:34:19,410into the into the devenvironment yet. Daniel J. I'm137201:34:19,410 --> 01:34:25,170going to just we just got reallybusy with stuff. But I don't137301:34:25,170 --> 01:34:30,270want to stop the review of thenew site. So I'll figure this137401:34:30,270 --> 01:34:30,660out.137501:34:32,190 --> 01:34:37,770See, oh, cotton gin. 3333 setstheir carrier castering He says137601:34:37,770 --> 01:34:40,530we did it. pew. Pew. Y'all areawesome. I love you. Thanks.137701:34:42,990 --> 01:34:47,670Thanks, cotton gin. Appreciatethat brother and hope Stephen B.137801:34:48,210 --> 01:34:54,180Says March 20 2018, march 2022.So we're a little bit late on137901:34:54,180 --> 01:34:58,680this. He says Hey, Adam, can youwish my son Jack 12th birthday.138001:34:58,709 --> 01:35:01,769Oh, we did that one. We did thatweek. So these were these were138101:35:01,769 --> 01:35:05,189all live. I also left all theones we did live because we read138201:35:05,189 --> 01:35:06,569them on the on the show.138301:35:06,930 --> 01:35:12,510No. So you already did thebirthday. Yeah. Okay. I don't I138401:35:12,510 --> 01:35:13,560have no recollection of138501:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,860that. Yeah, no, I, you know,this is this is a problem with138601:35:16,860 --> 01:35:21,720me. I remember some things sospecifically, I can remember138701:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,740something from eight years ago,like read details. And I always138801:35:25,740 --> 01:35:27,180remember the the notes.138901:35:27,750 --> 01:35:30,960I don't I mean, like, it's like,I wasn't even there. I have no,139001:35:31,470 --> 01:35:34,410it's okay. I remember I read it.So that's another reason why.139101:35:34,980 --> 01:35:38,970Okay, well, did you read thisone from Chad Pharaoh says yay,139201:35:38,970 --> 01:35:39,570Gigi.139301:35:39,780 --> 01:35:40,350Yes,139401:35:41,130 --> 01:35:47,310he did. Okay, well, maybe let'ssee. What about this one? Pew139501:35:47,310 --> 01:35:49,140pew mofos the features here139601:35:49,860 --> 01:35:51,810I don't remember that. So I likeit.139701:35:52,440 --> 01:35:55,050That was 50,000 SATs from PTR139801:35:55,620 --> 01:36:03,150Yes, we did do that one. Oh whenI was doing the list I took all139901:36:03,150 --> 01:36:04,800those out and you merge themback in?140001:36:05,340 --> 01:36:10,470I did I saw see this this so youcan go to hold on a second140101:36:10,470 --> 01:36:13,320because I also I just avoid thatat all together.140201:36:14,250 --> 01:36:18,810No, no, no, no, no see, but Idid them. I did them in reverse140301:36:18,810 --> 01:36:19,260order.140401:36:20,100 --> 01:36:24,000Okay, I know that this one wason your list. This is good.140501:36:24,540 --> 01:36:31,320Cotton Gin 22 to 22 he Magus rowof ducks. Go podcasting140601:36:31,350 --> 01:36:32,310exclamation point.140701:36:32,550 --> 01:36:35,490Yes. Now here's the interestingYes, first of all, let me get140801:36:35,490 --> 01:36:41,580you some ducks there brother. Ihave cotton gin tu tu tu tu tu140901:36:41,610 --> 01:36:45,480curio caster and all I got is togo podcasting. I think that's141001:36:45,480 --> 01:36:50,340because of the export. I don'thave the fixed export. Yeah, I141101:36:50,340 --> 01:36:51,450got I gotta push that up.141201:36:51,840 --> 01:36:57,180Now did you get Dred Scott35,690 Yeah, I don't know141301:36:57,180 --> 01:36:59,400anything in podcasting.141401:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,940Oh, yes. I get though. Yes, yes,I did get them141501:37:02,970 --> 01:37:04,380and then I also have141601:37:05,610 --> 01:37:09,000you know, you're doing my bit.Oh, I'm sorry. He messed me up141701:37:09,000 --> 01:37:09,120all141801:37:09,120 --> 01:37:14,850right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.Okay. I got a got away. Got away141901:37:14,850 --> 01:37:18,600from me. It got away from me. Itis a disaster. curse you.142001:37:18,960 --> 01:37:19,980Comment Barrow.142101:37:21,660 --> 01:37:25,350Chad Pharaoh says I've neverrolled the dice in the bathroom142201:37:25,350 --> 01:37:27,870but I have in the living roomalone with the curtains closed.142301:37:30,420 --> 01:37:32,040You never know who could bewatching142401:37:36,270 --> 01:37:41,250Yeah, man, that's the best one.Badass booster Graham.142501:37:42,750 --> 01:37:46,830Roy. Oh Roy's Yeah, Elon ballerboost142601:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,990Ed forth. I love ROI. I loveROI. You know, this is how this142701:37:51,990 --> 01:37:56,250one you and I were talking toROI a couple of weeks ago. And142801:37:56,250 --> 01:37:59,400the end whenever Dave and I areon with somebody I always say142901:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,770you know It's so disappointing.The Bitcoin industry doesn't do143001:38:01,770 --> 01:38:03,570shit for us they never donate143101:38:05,100 --> 01:38:09,210I remember that. I did I wasthere and I remember that unlike143201:38:09,210 --> 01:38:12,300these boosts that I don'tremember. I do remember that143301:38:12,300 --> 01:38:13,470comment for some reason143401:38:13,499 --> 01:38:16,499and then Roy immediately he getsit he's like yeah, should I143501:38:16,499 --> 01:38:18,839should be boosted This isbullshit. Thank you very much.143601:38:18,839 --> 01:38:21,929And he has Gigi is King a littlecrown emoji?143701:38:22,499 --> 01:38:26,819Yes, he does. 34,321 754321143801:38:26,850 --> 01:38:30,300beautiful number that's yournumber. Now that that is now the143901:38:30,720 --> 01:38:36,060the breeze boost you're lockinghim in 321 is beautiful. He is144001:38:36,060 --> 01:38:37,770the only one I've seen do thatso far.144101:38:38,490 --> 01:38:42,330The aforementioned drips gotboost of 35,696 with the144201:38:42,330 --> 01:38:50,850fountain app says boost gopodcasting Thank you drip and144301:38:50,850 --> 01:38:55,830air statica falls that followsthat up with 2376 through144401:38:55,830 --> 01:39:02,220fountain ad says I love boostingfor Bitcoin boost Thank you Eric144501:39:03,630 --> 01:39:08,790drips go now these are theseprinted out double on my page so144601:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,610it's this is why I was soconcerned about about you144701:39:11,610 --> 01:39:14,250getting out of my out of mysequence because I'm sorry I'm144801:39:14,250 --> 01:39:19,050so sorry. Able to get back onNo. Mary Oscar Mary. sent us144901:39:19,050 --> 01:39:20,1001000 SATs and you just as145001:39:20,100 --> 01:39:21,540boost yo.145101:39:24,300 --> 01:39:29,280Macintosh though we already readhim I'm so screwed up this Do145201:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,600you see these? See what this iswhy I should not be given Adam145301:39:33,600 --> 01:39:37,320advice on how to build a podcastor show prep software145401:39:37,470 --> 01:39:39,570or how to do a spreadsheet orhow to145501:39:39,570 --> 01:39:48,480do a spreadsheet? Yes. Okay. SCOTT God sent us 20,420 SATs and145601:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,720he says hello guys testing theboost through breeze puff puff145701:39:51,720 --> 01:39:53,970pass. Not sure what name comesthrough.145801:39:56,370 --> 01:39:57,240What came through145901:39:57,870 --> 01:39:59,310SC OTT146001:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,050that works perfectly.146101:40:02,580 --> 01:40:03,510Said Dale.146201:40:04,799 --> 01:40:09,539He did. He did puff puff pass.puff puff pass.146301:40:09,570 --> 01:40:11,040No, I forgot we had a jingle146401:40:12,630 --> 01:40:16,170it's not a jingle This is anexternal microphone inserted146501:40:16,170 --> 01:40:17,580directly into my bong.146601:40:18,150 --> 01:40:21,510Okay, at the bottom is it a? Yougot a bung hole at the bottom? I146701:40:21,510 --> 01:40:25,560put this mic in cartonerBongbong hole.146801:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,430Okay, Dave Jones. Okay, stopbefore we kill again.146901:40:29,699 --> 01:40:35,429Dale 2222 says I love supportingpodcasts with Satoshis. I147001:40:35,429 --> 01:40:38,369listened to a few otherindependent podcasts, but that I147101:40:38,369 --> 01:40:41,759currently support via Patreon. Iwas wondering if you have any147201:40:41,759 --> 01:40:44,279advice and resources to sharewith them so they can get147301:40:44,279 --> 01:40:47,219started on accepting lightningpayments to assume zero147401:40:47,219 --> 01:40:49,109knowledge of the cryptocurrencyworld147501:40:50,130 --> 01:40:52,110value for value.io.147601:40:54,450 --> 01:40:58,830There you go. Simple as that.Thank you, Dale. Appreciate it.147701:40:58,830 --> 01:41:03,450Man. Merci. Oscar Mary, cameback again with 1000 SATs. He147801:41:03,450 --> 01:41:06,360says, Adam, you were right. Weshould have been showing147901:41:06,360 --> 01:41:09,120comments from the socialinteract tag here. I think we148001:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,190might have taken the runningwith scissors, he throws a bit148101:41:11,190 --> 01:41:14,940too far. Although for what it isworth, there was a beta version148201:41:14,940 --> 01:41:17,100of this available for two weeks,and we only received good148301:41:17,100 --> 01:41:22,110feedback. So that's, I thinkthat was a comment, but I wrote148401:41:22,530 --> 01:41:26,130read it out anyway. Because,yeah, explanation.148501:41:26,340 --> 01:41:29,460Yeah, that's a good point. Ididn't know there was a beta and148601:41:30,990 --> 01:41:35,760doesn't matter. I can't I can'ttest everything. Well, and148701:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,460that that's also a good pointabout open source projects is148801:41:38,490 --> 01:41:41,340just because it's open sourcedoesn't mean just because it's148901:41:41,340 --> 01:41:43,440open doesn't mean people arelooking at it, you know,149001:41:43,440 --> 01:41:46,650thoroughly. And, and that isalways going to be an Achilles149101:41:46,650 --> 01:41:50,820heel of open source is thatsometimes, sometimes he will not149201:41:50,820 --> 01:41:52,080put our balls on it when thegame149301:41:52,140 --> 01:41:57,990ends. And if I may, just so Ijust saw, this kind of goes back149401:41:57,990 --> 01:42:03,570to my point. If you have afeature, and you want to test149501:42:03,570 --> 01:42:08,460that feature, you know, maybesend me an email and say, hey, I149601:42:08,460 --> 01:42:10,710want to test this feature. Andby the way, if you'd like it,149701:42:10,710 --> 01:42:16,380could you talk about it? Toleaving me out? Yes, it might149801:42:16,380 --> 01:42:23,460have caused me to raisequestions about it. But it also,149901:42:24,420 --> 01:42:26,640you know, don't hesitate. Iwould say,150001:42:27,180 --> 01:42:30,270Well, he did post it on theMastadon. I mean, it was there.150101:42:30,810 --> 01:42:34,590No, I know I understand. Butthis goes right back to it.150201:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,930Okay, let's say this is a greatfeature. It's perfect. You want150301:42:39,930 --> 01:42:42,780people to use it. Why wouldn'tyou reach out to a couple of150401:42:42,780 --> 01:42:46,410podcasters with a large audienceand ask them to use it? Oh, it's150501:42:46,410 --> 01:42:49,500just posting on a mastodon isnot a guarantee. It's it's like150601:42:49,530 --> 01:42:51,750where's your ask? It's the samething.150701:42:52,170 --> 01:42:54,690See what you're saying? Yeah.That makes Yeah, that makes150801:42:54,690 --> 01:42:56,070sense. It okay.150901:42:56,070 --> 01:42:58,710I'm not Joe Rogan. I have a 10thof his audience. Maybe a little151001:42:58,710 --> 01:43:06,810more. Would you consider askingJoe Rogan to try it out? That's151101:43:06,810 --> 01:43:07,320my point.151201:43:09,870 --> 01:43:13,950Cast peatland. 100 once asked,and he says a nice show. Thanks.151301:43:14,340 --> 01:43:20,400Thank you. Yes. Hard Hat 11,011sets to Curia. castering says151401:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,450I'm spewing SATs,151501:43:23,070 --> 01:43:26,190rolling the dice spewing SATs.Yeah, we hear Yeah.151601:43:27,390 --> 01:43:31,290Be my brown mozzie 101 SATs andhe says Don't just stand there151701:43:31,290 --> 01:43:34,560boost for the BTC conversationwith a GG Don't just stand151801:43:34,560 --> 01:43:41,760there. Boost. Oh, John's BRTsays 101 says he says balance151901:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,730comment. Oh, that was a comment.Well, what the balance was152001:43:44,730 --> 01:43:45,060coming.152101:43:45,750 --> 01:43:51,330Yeah. How big was it? 101 saidso because you know, even though152201:43:51,330 --> 01:43:56,070we talked about it, Alex Gatesdid indeed. Do a he did a152301:43:57,330 --> 01:44:01,320balance. Boost. Yeah, his appwas bash boost. Oh, is that bash152401:44:01,320 --> 01:44:01,950boost?152501:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,540Yeah, that's the that the CLIone of the command one of the152601:44:06,540 --> 01:44:07,410command line tools152701:44:07,860 --> 01:44:13,440giving myself so. And so he sent250,000 sets152801:44:14,190 --> 01:44:18,300of Alex. Yes. Yeah, yeah, thatwas during the show. Yeah, just152901:44:18,330 --> 01:44:21,270yeah, just the bounce. I justwanted to just want to bring it153001:44:21,270 --> 01:44:23,490up again. I thought it was badas153101:44:23,820 --> 01:44:26,790Alex said he hand wrote it. Hewrote that whole I guess he153201:44:26,790 --> 01:44:29,490wrote the TLV and everything butOh, really?153301:44:29,490 --> 01:44:31,920Just on one line? No.153401:44:32,940 --> 01:44:33,870No, you can do it. You153501:44:35,640 --> 01:44:41,550just got the ball? Basketball,basketball, or is what that is153601:44:41,580 --> 01:44:42,330you kidding me?153701:44:42,930 --> 01:44:47,610Look in the look in the hell hada burrito. And there's an153801:44:47,610 --> 01:44:50,730example of how to how to send aone liner the command to do a153901:44:50,730 --> 01:44:51,660whole thing. Yeah.154001:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,310That's pretty cool. That's oneof those things you want to do.154101:44:57,120 --> 01:45:02,520You know, bang whatever. No justor just up arrow all the time.154201:45:02,610 --> 01:45:03,300That's funny,154301:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,840don't ya history grip Ellen CLR154401:45:06,870 --> 01:45:11,430Yes, history history. grep is myfavorite. Don't just154501:45:11,760 --> 01:45:15,600see by now that's already readthat. Oh, amen. I'm got me on154601:45:15,600 --> 01:45:20,190the wrong page. Let's see, DredScott 10,035 sets and he says154701:45:20,610 --> 01:45:24,720one more than Darrin and twomore than CSB boost. Yeah. I154801:45:24,720 --> 01:45:25,260like this.154901:45:26,220 --> 01:45:27,300We read that one too.155001:45:27,930 --> 01:45:33,600We did last week. Wait, the dateon that is the date on that is155101:45:33,840 --> 01:45:43,32018. March the 19th? At 4:03pm?Huh. Curious, interesting.155201:45:43,950 --> 01:45:46,890I remember I remember the onemore than Darren maybe someone155301:45:46,890 --> 01:45:47,970else did that as well.155401:45:48,090 --> 01:45:50,940Oh, I think that was somebodyelse. Yeah, that's because that155501:45:50,940 --> 01:45:55,080was CSB. See, I did one morethan Darrin and then now now155601:45:56,160 --> 01:46:00,660drab is doing one more thanDecius baby so as to more than a155701:46:01,110 --> 01:46:08,430couple of things here. We havewe have new T shirts. Which now155801:46:08,430 --> 01:46:12,510the the podcasting 2.0 certifiedt shirt is only available for155901:46:12,510 --> 01:46:18,000donors. And what is $125 we puta new limit on this for the156001:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,080shipping and handling.156101:46:19,110 --> 01:46:22,680Yeah, because the shipping isvery expensive, expensive and156201:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,020it's a better quality t shirtand costing us more156301:46:25,050 --> 01:46:28,680podcast index dot shop. Andthere's also some other fine156401:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,810products they're puttingtogether that's the no agenda156501:46:30,810 --> 01:46:34,920shop team. And and we have nocontracts or anything we just156601:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,980order order the T shirts fromthem and anything else they do156701:46:37,980 --> 01:46:41,190that that they make money onthose those send a donation in.156801:46:41,850 --> 01:46:45,840Like are you even in the index,bro, which still makes me laugh156901:46:47,940 --> 01:46:52,800It's very fun. And was theresomething else? Oh, no, that was157001:46:52,830 --> 01:46:54,330that was the main thing I wantto say about that.157101:46:55,620 --> 01:46:59,610Let's see. 101 says greetingsfrom the road from Nomad Joe157201:47:00,240 --> 01:47:03,270Jones. Greetings careful mandon't don't boost while driving.157301:47:03,960 --> 01:47:08,460Sir bill says I can confirm I'mnot drips got boost.157401:47:09,900 --> 01:47:12,330Yes, identity confirmed.157501:47:12,900 --> 01:47:18,900That rumor has been squashed invif this in for Vieques says157601:47:19,080 --> 01:47:24,420boosting episode 78 from podfriend boost. Boost 500 cents.157701:47:24,510 --> 01:47:30,000Thank you thank you in for VX.Mere Mortals podcast button one157801:47:30,000 --> 01:47:37,500sets and he says he says he saysI'm more of an open air deicers157901:47:37,500 --> 01:47:40,440you know what I mean? I feellike the shape and form of the158001:47:40,440 --> 01:47:43,800dice are a natural thing. Itshouldn't be hidden away. I'm158101:47:43,800 --> 01:47:47,220actually thinking of joining anudist dice colony to free158201:47:47,220 --> 01:47:51,660myself from the shackles ofsocietal stigma boost158301:47:54,270 --> 01:47:55,710their dicer okay,158401:47:56,280 --> 01:48:02,070and you're nuts do love them. Ilove their show Bowie 101 sets158501:48:02,070 --> 01:48:06,780through fountain from Oh alsofrom Karen and I don't Did you158601:48:06,780 --> 01:48:08,430see this? I don't know yetannounced wonder158701:48:08,430 --> 01:48:11,910shows wound are shown. No no,that doesn't what it says it158801:48:11,910 --> 01:48:15,840Yeah, Buddha shown. I gotta it'ssome for some reason it came in158901:48:17,550 --> 01:48:18,990the Unicode Yeah, the159001:48:18,990 --> 01:48:22,290UN code didn't work. So I'mseeing a backslash and then two159101:48:22,290 --> 01:48:25,470O's with a use as an OOM loud,so I'm going to save Wondershare159201:48:25,470 --> 01:48:27,720in which means Beautiful. Okay,so159301:48:27,720 --> 01:48:32,490there's one wonder tion is undershown shown Wonderstone that159401:48:32,790 --> 01:48:35,550Wonderstone there GG if159501:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,880I also didn't get their GG partonly got Wondershare159601:48:39,329 --> 01:48:45,119I guess I may have just insultedGG into no end with without159701:48:45,119 --> 01:48:46,049intention. So I thought159801:48:46,560 --> 01:48:47,490I think he's fine.159901:48:49,200 --> 01:48:54,480And the delimiter CSB comesthrough blogger for 15,033 says160001:48:54,480 --> 01:48:59,040through cast ematic and he sayshowdy podcasting 2.0 team. Oh,160101:48:59,040 --> 01:49:03,180that's that's sort of text andhow they podcast 2.0 team and160201:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,660your listeners are invited to abi weekly podcast named ai ai160301:49:06,690 --> 01:49:10,140cooking, spoken by GregoryWilliam Forsythe Foreman from160401:49:10,140 --> 01:49:14,190kin new episode 27 dropping thisweekend yo160501:49:14,280 --> 01:49:19,260yo boost boost boosts. Then wehave a couple of fresh boosts160601:49:19,260 --> 01:49:25,110from the live from the lit fromour from our lit podcast. We160701:49:25,110 --> 01:49:30,210just got a couple of 333 boostsin a row then we have 3332 from160801:49:30,210 --> 01:49:37,620cotton gin who says gopodcasting 500 SAS from Sir Sean160901:49:37,620 --> 01:49:44,220of Allegheny Valley no notethere sir Spencer 1009 SATs and161001:49:44,220 --> 01:49:49,740Sir Spencer says 3% is not anoutrageous free fee. If it's not161101:49:49,740 --> 01:49:56,460a lightning routing fee. lol Ohlol come on you silly dog. I161201:49:56,460 --> 01:50:00,840love that we we can disagree andwe still love humor. called acid161301:50:00,900 --> 01:50:05,070it's our duty to boost he says333 Then we have a boob from161401:50:05,070 --> 01:50:09,810blueberry 808 Thanks again dayfor swapping our feed for BTS to161501:50:09,810 --> 01:50:12,990the new one armed with a livetag in one hand and a pair of161601:50:12,990 --> 01:50:16,620scissors in the other. This is anew live son of a bitch161701:50:16,770 --> 01:50:17,520i like it161801:50:17,550 --> 01:50:18,660what is BTS?161901:50:19,350 --> 01:50:21,870Oh like that? What is what162001:50:21,900 --> 01:50:24,780what is BTS? That was the nameof the show BTS was it stand162101:50:24,780 --> 01:50:30,150behind this game behind force3333 from Sir Spencer, able162201:50:30,150 --> 01:50:32,640Kirby and I will beevangelizing, evangelizing162301:50:32,640 --> 01:50:36,720podcasting 2.0 and other digitalcontent over value for value at162401:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,650the Kansas City Bitcoin blockparty in Westport and April 24162501:50:41,010 --> 01:50:45,030There'll be music food, livemusic food and drink and vendors162601:50:45,060 --> 01:50:48,900all selling their waresexclusively in Bitcoin oh there162701:50:48,900 --> 01:50:53,190you go. Thank you very much.Excellent it's kind of162801:50:53,190 --> 01:50:56,160interesting if this if this wasposted as a comment it would be162901:50:56,160 --> 01:50:57,360seen as advertising163001:50:59,610 --> 01:51:01,230it is advertising I know163101:51:01,260 --> 01:51:04,140but it's not it's a boosterGraham it's part of the deal.163201:51:05,790 --> 01:51:09,960You get to you get to skirt andyou get to shade you get to hide163301:51:09,960 --> 01:51:10,650in the shade.163401:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,680Yeah, we can be pretty openabout it. I got an across one163501:51:13,710 --> 01:51:19,170kind of problem with that 3369From NATO's doing my duty163601:51:19,170 --> 01:51:23,790boosting for humanity. And let'ssee we had another from cotton163701:51:23,790 --> 01:51:31,890gin 3333 were lit fire emoji.And we did have a couple more I163801:51:31,890 --> 01:51:36,390see here. I got a couple more200 from Sir Allegheny sir Sean163901:51:36,390 --> 01:51:40,080of the Allegheny Valley boostingagain and his 1000 SATs for his164001:51:40,080 --> 01:51:44,700first first boost. I think hejust figured it out. And then we164101:51:44,700 --> 01:51:53,160have cold acid 33 333 So 33,333SATs we are still looking for164201:51:53,160 --> 01:51:56,730translators and beta testers forpodcast generator generator164301:51:56,730 --> 01:52:04,680three.to Visit transeffects.com/podcast-generators/podcast.test164401:52:04,710 --> 01:52:09,660generator that's got to be wrongalso github.com/podcast164501:52:09,660 --> 01:52:13,290generator it's something thatmust be something with the how164601:52:13,290 --> 01:52:16,980he did that is a command lineboost I think he I think he164701:52:16,980 --> 01:52:20,670doubled that anyway this iswhere it would be handy to164801:52:20,670 --> 01:52:24,120surface this little button clickI'm clicking on the button that164901:52:24,120 --> 01:52:25,440surfaces this booster GRAHAM165001:52:25,470 --> 01:52:28,680Well, it'll be he put in showedus that link in the shin. Yeah,165101:52:28,680 --> 01:52:29,040I will.165201:52:29,070 --> 01:52:32,670But I'm just I'm just realizingthat something that I always165301:52:32,670 --> 01:52:39,630want when when when we're doingno agenda and someone says he165401:52:39,630 --> 01:52:43,500put this link in so I have toremember that I have to go back165501:52:43,500 --> 01:52:47,430copied from the spreadsheet putit into the show notes. Whereas165601:52:47,520 --> 01:52:54,090if I could just click on a on aon a boost and it then became165701:52:55,260 --> 01:53:00,270part of the show notes or justpub or just public I mean even165801:53:00,270 --> 01:53:01,170if it's just public165901:53:02,430 --> 01:53:09,000the he said call this How aboutthis called as a horrible166001:53:09,240 --> 01:53:14,760horrible Eric. That's is Chrisbarbaric. And he says that is166101:53:14,760 --> 01:53:19,140right. The URL www dot transeffects comm slash podcast dash166201:53:19,140 --> 01:53:22,230generator slash podcast bestgenerator. Oh, that's it. Oh,166301:53:22,230 --> 01:53:27,900really? Okay. Yeah. Oh, he saidI nailed it. Down. All right.166401:53:27,900 --> 01:53:30,540I should. I was already editingit. Okay, you got it. I'll put166501:53:30,540 --> 01:53:31,320it in the show notes.166601:53:32,249 --> 01:53:33,539We get some month lease.166701:53:33,660 --> 01:53:37,890Yes. Thank you all very much,everybody for producing,166801:53:38,130 --> 01:53:39,450boosting for humanity.166901:53:41,850 --> 01:53:45,270Boost for human. I can't getthat. I can't not hear that.167001:53:45,270 --> 01:53:51,420Keith Gibson $50 Thank you,Keith. Pod news. $50. Thank you.167101:53:51,420 --> 01:53:51,570Thank167201:53:51,570 --> 01:53:52,410you very much, James.167301:53:52,440 --> 01:53:56,400Thank you very much, James.Appreciate that. Paul Paul167401:53:56,400 --> 01:54:02,820Erskine $11.14 Dwayne Goldy $8.Michael Gagan $5 Charles current167501:54:03,000 --> 01:54:08,820$5 Yeah. Cone glotzbach $5Christopher Raymer $10 James167601:54:08,820 --> 01:54:14,070Sullivan $10 Sean McCune $20Thank you Shawn Jordan dunville167701:54:14,070 --> 01:54:18,360$10 and Stu coats $6.66 Thankyou everybody.167801:54:18,390 --> 01:54:22,350Yes. Listen to you man. Like alittle DJ there. Thank you for167901:54:24,480 --> 01:54:25,710hanging around for my show.168001:54:25,800 --> 01:54:30,420You do have a good DJ named DaveJones rockin Z 100 Dave Jones in168101:54:30,420 --> 01:54:31,710the morning with you everybody.How you doing?168201:54:36,060 --> 01:54:37,590For 230 We're gonna start themix.168301:54:37,950 --> 01:54:41,370See, see he can do it. Ladiesand gentlemen. I knew it. I knew168401:54:41,370 --> 01:54:44,100it. Did you do college radio?No,168501:54:44,340 --> 01:54:45,360I didn't do college.168601:54:47,940 --> 01:54:52,680Here we are. To value for valuecollege dropouts. Hello Steve168701:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,540Jobs and was168801:54:56,310 --> 01:54:58,470at four different majors andthen called it a quit168901:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,980Once was running the station andcalled it quits. Alright169001:55:04,980 --> 01:55:07,380brother, so we'll figure it out.Maybe do it Thursday night for169101:55:07,380 --> 01:55:10,080the next board meeting just toget one in before I go on the169201:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,650vacation. Yeah, let's do it.Okay, perfect. All right, man.169301:55:13,650 --> 01:55:15,960Have a great weekend. It was.Thank you so much, Dave. I169401:55:15,960 --> 01:55:20,010really appreciate just chattingthis shit through with you. And169501:55:20,010 --> 01:55:21,000I hope everyone else did.169601:55:21,750 --> 01:55:24,210Yeah, absolutely, man. Well,yeah, well, we'll hit one169701:55:24,210 --> 01:55:25,290Thursday night. Always love it.169801:55:25,410 --> 01:55:27,540Okay. All right, everybody.That's it for our board meeting169901:55:27,540 --> 01:55:30,720podcasting. 2.0 We will returnnext week, maybe a little bit170001:55:30,720 --> 01:55:35,040early. Please join us for theboard meeting of podcasting 2.0.170101:55:50,640 --> 01:55:55,200You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts170201:55:55,230 --> 01:55:57,750index.com For more information