Episode 74: Confetti Canon

100:00:00,599 --> 00:00:06,329podcasting 2.0 for February18 2020, to Episode 74 We got a200:00:06,329 --> 00:00:07,289confetti cannon300:00:09,300 --> 00:00:10,920spewing SATs everywhere400:00:12,509 --> 00:00:15,749Hello everybody. Welcome to theofficial board meeting of500:00:15,749 --> 00:00:20,219podcasting. 2.0 everythinghappening at podcast index.org600:00:20,519 --> 00:00:25,199podcasting 2.0 namespace and ofcourse all the stuff happening700:00:25,229 --> 00:00:30,659at that wonderful root ofcreativity podcast index dot800:00:30,659 --> 00:00:33,059social I'm Adam curry here inthe heart of the Texas Hill900:00:33,059 --> 00:00:36,269Country and in Alabama mymidnight midnight upgrade from1000:00:36,269 --> 00:00:38,969bed buddy, my friend on theother end ladies and gentlemen,1100:00:38,969 --> 00:00:40,589Mr. Dave Jones.1200:00:42,060 --> 00:00:44,490Okay, that was the weirdest.Yeah, and I1300:00:45,630 --> 00:00:48,510was bad. It was best the Rhonaman, it's like everything's off1400:00:48,510 --> 00:00:53,970the rails. You're one tick onetick too slow and you got to1500:00:54,270 --> 00:00:58,050give me your brain as I knewexactly how it feels. But I was1600:00:58,050 --> 00:01:01,500in bed last night upgrading helipad from my phone. I thought1700:01:01,500 --> 00:01:02,250that was badass.1800:01:03,750 --> 00:01:05,160From the phone SSH.1900:01:06,210 --> 00:01:09,690You know what the hardest partis? is trying to copy and then2000:01:09,690 --> 00:01:12,480paste in VI on your2100:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,430your phone terminal. Yeah,that's that's always that does2200:01:17,430 --> 00:01:20,220not sound easy. No, it wasn'twhen it's like suddenly2300:01:20,220 --> 00:01:26,820humongous long Sha 256 Well, itwas the the Docker dot YAML2400:01:26,820 --> 00:01:32,790thing that I had to change totyping Docker dot Yeah. Mo, like2500:01:32,820 --> 00:01:36,090just typing that entire thingout on a phone. No, no, no, no.2600:01:36,090 --> 00:01:40,200D tab. Not all works. I mean,all the all the shortcuts work.2700:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,130I love that part.2800:01:42,180 --> 00:01:46,080Yeah, I guess the phone keyboardhashtag. Yeah, it's I'm using2900:01:46,590 --> 00:01:48,600was it Terminex? I think3000:01:49,860 --> 00:01:52,320Terminus Terminus. Yeah. Yeah.Terminal.3100:01:53,340 --> 00:01:56,850Okay. Yeah, the standardkeyboard. It's got its own built3200:01:56,850 --> 00:02:00,390in. Yeah, yes. Okay. You candetermine what special keys you3300:02:00,390 --> 00:02:03,330want above the keyboard. So youcan have your arrow keys and3400:02:03,330 --> 00:02:07,440yeah, basically, I want to haveescaped control tab, and then I3500:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,480can slide over to get all thearrow keys.3600:02:10,830 --> 00:02:15,180Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm sick.Literally and figuratively.3700:02:15,210 --> 00:02:19,080Yeah. Date run out of date.We're gonna update. You know,3800:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,120this morning. I woke up this isday 11.3900:02:22,410 --> 00:02:26,370I went back and look day 11 Atleast him taking medication for4000:02:26,370 --> 00:02:26,850it. So4100:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,140I woke up did not have nightsweats. This is a huge4200:02:31,140 --> 00:02:36,300improvement. Great. Yeah. Soanyway, I'm just wearing now4300:02:36,300 --> 00:02:38,880because of the well first of allyou were telling me about? Well,4400:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,540you know, second wave was likeeveryone's got a story to vor X4500:02:42,540 --> 00:02:46,020telling me about his kid. Whatwas a month like? Okay, so I'm4600:02:46,020 --> 00:02:47,940just waiting for the fatigue tohit me. Right.4700:02:48,990 --> 00:02:51,810And then of course, yesterday wehear from the slate podcast,4800:02:51,810 --> 00:02:55,290there's such a such thing asCOVID Dick and their words not4900:02:55,290 --> 00:02:55,740mine.5000:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,670What is that? It's erectiledysfunction baby.5100:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,840It's not funny because just thefact that women were talking but5200:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,570these women were talking aboutit. So you know, guys like that5300:03:09,570 --> 00:03:12,960should gets in your head. It'slike a win. Win. We're talking5400:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,500about like, like, I'm gonna haveto get a divorce. Oh, no, man.5500:03:16,530 --> 00:03:20,580Go listen, there's no agenda. Itwas bad enough there. I don't5600:03:20,580 --> 00:03:23,970want to. I don't want to polluteanything here. People people5700:03:23,970 --> 00:03:27,960emailing me like, Hey, man, areyou okay? No, no, it's just a5800:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,320story. Okay, it's just a newstory. Are you5900:03:33,630 --> 00:03:38,010sending love Love and Lightanyway? Anyway, Dave the new6000:03:38,010 --> 00:03:40,140heli pad version 1.9.6100:03:41,310 --> 00:03:45,870Yeah, kicks still doesn't dowhat your CSV export we will get6200:03:45,870 --> 00:03:48,840there. We'll fix that fix. Idon't understand that. Can we6300:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,750talk about that for a second?Because sure did. Okay, so let6400:03:51,750 --> 00:03:55,710me pull up my pad. Here. Weladies and gentlemen, the gloves6500:03:55,710 --> 00:03:59,520are off. We're pulling up ourheli pads. This is how it all6600:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,160goes downhill but taking off6700:04:03,540 --> 00:04:07,020well, I guess for a helipad uplanding not taking off well that6800:04:07,020 --> 00:04:10,470dependents that dependent goesboth directions. Yes, of course.6900:04:11,280 --> 00:04:17,550I'm so on my yellow pad. Whathappens is okay, here's here's7000:04:17,550 --> 00:04:21,270the the algo or whatever, let melet me explain the problem.7100:04:21,720 --> 00:04:27,180Okay, so I have there's a CSVexport which has been built in7200:04:27,180 --> 00:04:30,900which is very important as apodcaster so that you can output7300:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,530the booster grams and be able tothank people I have7400:04:36,660 --> 00:04:42,990SATs coming in whether full onor just like 1% just to be able7500:04:42,990 --> 00:04:46,650to get the booster grams fromfour different shows. And7600:04:47,790 --> 00:04:51,540so when and some of them I do ona 14 day basis so when I'm going7700:04:51,540 --> 00:04:55,320in to get the most facts boostergrams, I have to go back a full7800:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,850two weeks and I wasn't because Ihave so many booster grams it7900:04:59,850 --> 00:05:00,000just8000:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,960it, I wasn't able to go back farenough for whatever it was8100:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,659in the in the output.8200:05:08,069 --> 00:05:11,909And so guys, I think, yeah,initially it was just 100. I8300:05:11,909 --> 00:05:14,909think it was just like a hardcoded, right, which is, which is8400:05:14,909 --> 00:05:15,839like a week for me.8500:05:17,070 --> 00:05:18,690Right? Yeah. So8600:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,310the way it's supposed to work,and I checked it this morning,8700:05:23,310 --> 00:05:26,160and mine was working this way.So I still don't know what the8800:05:26,190 --> 00:05:31,470discrepancy is. But the way it'ssupposed to work is every one of8900:05:31,470 --> 00:05:34,950the items that you see on thescreen has a message ID attached9000:05:34,950 --> 00:05:39,510to it. And that message ID isthe index number of the invoice9100:05:39,510 --> 00:05:40,440within lnd.9200:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,050Okay, and what happens is,Hello, Pat is constantly keeping9300:05:46,050 --> 00:05:49,320in sync with lnd every fewseconds, it pulls lnd9400:05:49,740 --> 00:05:53,490eventually, this will be a G RPCstream. That's bad now, because9500:05:53,490 --> 00:05:59,700badass like that. Right? Yes. Soit's polling and it says it just9600:05:59,700 --> 00:06:03,360says any new invoices, you know,and then when it has some, it9700:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,340pulls them in. Now these are allthe invoices. So your l&d9800:06:09,780 --> 00:06:15,810Most current invoice indexnumber should be the same in9900:06:15,810 --> 00:06:20,280hell pad, they should both bematching all the time. So what10000:06:20,340 --> 00:06:24,420happens in hell pad is if youex, when you, when you load the10100:06:24,420 --> 00:06:27,330screen initially, it just takesthe most current invoice index10200:06:27,330 --> 00:06:31,380number. It shows you all of themback like I don't think it's10300:06:31,380 --> 00:06:35,910like initially Okay, 100. Thenif you hit low, show more it, it10400:06:35,910 --> 00:06:37,800just says, Okay, show meanything older and blah, blah,10500:06:37,800 --> 00:06:38,100blah.10600:06:39,120 --> 00:06:39,600Well,10700:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,640the display, there's adiscrepancy with with between10800:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,790what the index numbers are oneach boost in the list on Hello10900:06:47,790 --> 00:06:53,070pad. And what how many invoicesyou might actually have, because11000:06:53,070 --> 00:06:57,690help had only shows boosts notstreaming payments, right. So11100:06:57,690 --> 00:06:58,920there's gaps in there.11200:07:00,780 --> 00:07:04,500So the way that it workscurrently is when you export the11300:07:04,500 --> 00:07:10,560CSV, it, it takes its initialindex number from the very top11400:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,480most boosts you see on thescreen.11500:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,280And then it looks at whateverthe last boost in the list is,11600:07:18,240 --> 00:07:23,010and subtracts the last boostnumber from the boost number at11700:07:23,010 --> 00:07:29,160the top to get a total number ofbooths to export. Okay, so if11800:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,120your top most number is 150, andthe bottom most number is 75,11900:07:33,540 --> 00:07:38,430the count will be 75. So it'llsay Export starting at index12000:07:38,430 --> 00:07:42,780150. And the count give me 75boosts going backwards.12100:07:44,250 --> 00:07:48,750That should give you it actuallyshould give you more than what12200:07:48,750 --> 00:07:51,690you see on the screen, becauseyou're gonna have more than 7512300:07:51,690 --> 00:07:56,010boosts in the output, becausethere's gonna be streams in12400:07:56,010 --> 00:07:59,970there, too. So what you shouldsee is you should see everything12500:07:59,970 --> 00:08:04,380you see on the screen, probablyplus some. But you're saying12600:08:04,380 --> 00:08:07,680that you don't see that? Noseeing less than what you see on12700:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,250the screens? Yeah, I just triedit. I just did an export. So you12800:08:11,250 --> 00:08:15,270know, fresh on heavy pad. Andjust browsers never seen 1.912900:08:15,270 --> 00:08:23,610just minimize everything. And Ihit more more boost twice. So13000:08:23,610 --> 00:08:26,280the bot and it gave you boosteight, but each time did you hit13100:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,060it it gave you more? Yes, yes,that works. And so now I'm on13200:08:30,060 --> 00:08:35,010the list, I'm down to 14January, on the list at the13300:08:35,010 --> 00:08:37,350bottom, and I'm just leaving mybrowser where it is I'm not13400:08:37,350 --> 00:08:39,180going to the top, I'm juststaying at the bottom, it13500:08:39,180 --> 00:08:42,660shouldn't make any difference, Ipresume, no case, and I hit13600:08:42,660 --> 00:08:48,000Export, and then the CSV and Iopened it up. And the top number13700:08:48,510 --> 00:08:56,370is from today 18th of Februarythe index numbers 37,937.13800:08:57,450 --> 00:09:03,600And the bottom of this list isFebruary 1, and the index13900:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,220numbers 28,008 61. And this iswhat I get consistently no14000:09:08,220 --> 00:09:11,580matter how many I expose in thein the web UI.14100:09:15,660 --> 00:09:22,650I know well, this is clearlywrong. So what I'm going to need14200:09:22,650 --> 00:09:24,690your database is what I'm goingto need so I can figure this14300:09:24,690 --> 00:09:26,850out. Hey, if you can have mydatabase you can have my14400:09:26,850 --> 00:09:29,100firstborn you can have whateveryou want.14500:09:32,370 --> 00:09:36,870Please take my firstborn. Let'sstart with the database and then14600:09:37,710 --> 00:09:39,990work backwards from there. Yeah.14700:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,410Okay. Yeah, I'll give my youhave significantly more invoices14800:09:46,410 --> 00:09:49,020in there. Yeah, I'm a booster.You are.14900:09:50,130 --> 00:09:54,720You have significantly more moreinvoices than anything in any15000:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,900that I've tested. But the mathshould be the same. I don't. I15100:09:57,900 --> 00:09:59,460don't understand why it would be15200:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,540problem maybe? Well, the onlything as you were explaining15300:10:03,540 --> 00:10:06,240that to me, I was hearing gaps.You know, of course, there's15400:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,340tons of gaps in in my data inthe past three weeks. The Umbral15500:10:11,340 --> 00:10:14,490definitely has crapped out acouple times. So I don't know if15600:10:14,490 --> 00:10:18,270that makes a difference. Butthis was this was in essence, a15700:10:18,270 --> 00:10:22,020fresh install. I mean, I editedmy Docker dot Yamo.15800:10:23,310 --> 00:10:27,270He did. And I saw it parse. Imean, and all the boosts are in15900:10:27,270 --> 00:10:28,680there going back to November.16000:10:32,400 --> 00:10:32,790Okay,16100:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,110so I don't understand that.Yeah, moss, I'll send you my16200:10:37,110 --> 00:10:39,960database. It's okay. How manytotal entries are in that? May?16300:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,520It should be a bunch. I mean,it's when you x 209. Okay.16400:10:47,100 --> 00:10:50,790It's so it's getting you whatyou need for now, but it's just16500:10:50,790 --> 00:10:53,910not it's just not giving youit's not? Right. Correct. It's16600:10:53,910 --> 00:10:56,790beautiful. By the way, it'sbeautiful.16700:10:57,810 --> 00:11:02,070When you export is great. Reallylove it. Are you pulling it into16800:11:02,070 --> 00:11:06,150Excel? Yeah, I've tried XL andlibra office.16900:11:07,500 --> 00:11:12,360Okay, so in Excel? Are you justright clicking and opening it?17000:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,960Or are you using the data CSVimport? I'm right clicking and17100:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,420opening it. Okay, I do data CSVimport. Yes. So instead of doing17200:11:21,420 --> 00:11:26,820that, open up Excel by itself,then go to the Data tab. Ooh,17300:11:26,820 --> 00:11:29,640hold on. This is sexy becauselet's let's do it live. I like17400:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,350this. Yes, zoo. Okay, I got newnew workbook. Okay, what people17500:11:34,350 --> 00:11:36,570love to listen to this otherpeople talking about how to do17600:11:36,810 --> 00:11:41,940this fun, sexy, okay, from text.CSV, right? I got that on the17700:11:41,940 --> 00:11:46,350data tab and then and then pullin that file. Okay, hold on. I'm17800:11:46,350 --> 00:11:50,910telling you. It looks awesome.Oh, this is interesting. Okay,17900:11:50,940 --> 00:11:56,580here we go. Yeah. Was it damnwith pivot tables? No, no. Stop,18000:11:56,580 --> 00:12:01,140stop. You're kidding me? No, theemojis are the whole thing is18100:12:01,140 --> 00:12:04,830beautiful. As Should I just hitLoad or transform data? What18200:12:04,830 --> 00:12:08,580does this load load? Yeah. I'mgonna give you that full load18300:12:08,700 --> 00:12:13,500the whole load. Oh, wow. I'venever seen Oh, whoa, whoa, that18400:12:13,500 --> 00:12:14,490was really cool.18500:12:15,570 --> 00:12:18,120It's all green. It has Yeah.18600:12:21,090 --> 00:12:24,450Now let me see. Yeah, and lookat the pivot tables. It's up you18700:12:24,450 --> 00:12:28,380can sort and isolate justindividual shows. This is18800:12:28,380 --> 00:12:33,240exactly what I needed. Now. I'mstill unfortunately, only18900:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,420getting to up until February1 209 records.19000:12:38,250 --> 00:12:38,790I know.19100:12:41,460 --> 00:12:44,760Okay, and someone is sending thewrong shit. Who's sending this19200:12:44,790 --> 00:12:48,870who's sending is what's wrong?Someone's sending something the19300:12:48,870 --> 00:12:52,710wrong way. Fountain seems to beweird sometimes.19400:12:54,450 --> 00:12:57,150No, that could just be spillover the field I guess. Okay,19500:12:57,180 --> 00:12:58,290Oscar.19600:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,420Your Podcast Okay, so I can sortby this. That's my pivot table.19700:13:06,900 --> 00:13:09,960Oh my goodness. If you get tothe top of the podcast called19800:13:10,290 --> 00:13:13,230dad like you can just say onlyshow me more facts or only show19900:13:13,230 --> 00:13:19,710me this. Oh, gosh. Ah, sexy.Yeah. In that awesome. It looks20000:13:19,710 --> 00:13:23,340so much better than that stupidraw CSV import that though it20100:13:23,340 --> 00:13:26,100does if you right click is itthis is an Excel thing though.20200:13:26,100 --> 00:13:31,380Excel does this for you,Microsoft. I hate you. Okay.20300:13:32,460 --> 00:13:35,550All right. That's cool. DaveThat is yeah, that that makes20400:13:35,550 --> 00:13:38,970all the difference. We just needa well I of course what I've20500:13:38,970 --> 00:13:42,660done is like a little translatortable for the current bitcoin20600:13:42,660 --> 00:13:47,640price to change the milli SATsinto fee formulas. Yeah. Oh,20700:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,120yeah.20800:13:49,530 --> 00:13:52,320Deep into formulas. Oh, yeah.I'm hacking this spreadsheet20900:13:52,320 --> 00:13:52,710Dave.21000:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,050are going away. Okay, so it's soit's just a matter of that.21100:13:58,050 --> 00:14:01,980Anyway, forget all that.Congratulations on the release21200:14:01,980 --> 00:14:05,130because it's version 0.19 Ishould say.21300:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,410You really nailed whatpodcasters need.21400:14:11,670 --> 00:14:15,300Someone tweeted. Someone tweetedearlier today. I don't know who21500:14:15,300 --> 00:14:19,110it was Tina saw too. And, andthe tweet was something like,21600:14:19,230 --> 00:14:25,620Hey, I made you know 350,000SATs last month compared to $2721700:14:25,650 --> 00:14:29,760I usually make with advertisingI'm never looking back. Oh yeah,21800:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,760that was Kevin rook from Kevinroach. dadoes Kevin rook right?21900:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,760Yeah and and so not only don'tforget don't forget the the end22000:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,420of the post which he said and ittakes forever to get your check22100:14:42,420 --> 00:14:45,510from you. Yes. Instantsettlement here. Exactly.22200:14:47,250 --> 00:14:51,660What is so beautiful now withheli pad is exactly I had a22300:14:51,660 --> 00:14:53,940problem. I was always worriedthat you know, my tour thing22400:14:53,940 --> 00:14:57,210isn't working. So every morningI'm boosting myself which as we22500:14:57,210 --> 00:14:59,970know is illegal and 1737 states22600:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,430The United States way to start aday though22700:15:05,069 --> 00:15:06,599it is kind of an eye opener22800:15:10,170 --> 00:15:13,200Hey, there we are, Dave it'sgone downhill since the COVID.22900:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,500Dick sorry about that. Yeah.Never should have brought that23000:15:16,500 --> 00:15:16,710in.23100:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,010So now you see this the youryour balance up top. And and23200:15:23,010 --> 00:15:27,000then when a stream a paymentcomes in, it pulsates. And23300:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,350confetti spews over the screen,it is on brand it is on message.23400:15:31,500 --> 00:15:36,930And it makes me feel good. Itmakes it as a podcast or as a23500:15:36,930 --> 00:15:41,460lifelong broadcaster since I was13. The only thing you want to23600:15:41,460 --> 00:15:45,900know is how far does my signalreach? He's someone listener. So23700:15:46,020 --> 00:15:49,230when we had the ability toconnect the phone line, yeah, I23800:15:49,230 --> 00:15:51,390was like, Oh, someone'slistening. They called me but23900:15:51,390 --> 00:15:55,590now you see the listening.Podcasting 2.0 See the24000:15:55,590 --> 00:15:56,250listening.24100:15:57,660 --> 00:16:02,790Running with Scissors. See thelistening is exciting is all24200:16:02,790 --> 00:16:07,050hell. So I took the confetti outof the stream because I was24300:16:07,050 --> 00:16:10,440afraid the background streampayments because I'm afraid that24400:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,550if if like four or five peopleare streaming all or more24500:16:14,550 --> 00:16:17,520streaming all at once, it wouldjust be this confetti, you know,24600:16:18,060 --> 00:16:22,140just this constant so when whattriggers it then isn't a new24700:16:22,140 --> 00:16:25,500payment isn't to boost theboost. So only boost trigger24800:16:25,500 --> 00:16:28,530confetti, the background streamsnow only just flashed the24900:16:28,530 --> 00:16:33,360balance update. So did you knowthat somebody know is going but25000:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,630it's but I'm getting? I'mgetting a confetti with the25100:16:36,630 --> 00:16:40,410balance update. Boom, there go.Are you? Yep. And I like it.25200:16:41,130 --> 00:16:44,730Okay, well don't take myconfetti away. All right. No, it25300:16:44,730 --> 00:16:49,800makes me makes me happy. It'sdone. Done. We fix that bug is25400:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,490stopped.25500:16:51,690 --> 00:16:54,990So was it supposed to not not bedoing that this is maybe there's25600:16:54,990 --> 00:16:59,070something that didn't maybe somecommit didn't take? I thought I25700:16:59,070 --> 00:17:03,360thought that it did it was butyou know, if you've ever looked25800:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,230at my development25900:17:05,820 --> 00:17:10,200system, you would understand whyI forget what I've done and what26000:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,770I haven't. Because it'sbasically everything that Alice26100:17:13,770 --> 00:17:18,510gates wants you to do. I do theexact opposite. And so it's no26200:17:18,510 --> 00:17:19,200wonder that26300:17:20,700 --> 00:17:25,830that that I do not remember whatI did two days ago, I suggest we26400:17:25,830 --> 00:17:30,210get some confirmation on thisright away. Okay. And we bring26500:17:30,210 --> 00:17:33,390in our guest board members whoare who've been sitting26600:17:33,390 --> 00:17:35,100patiently in the corner, ofcourse.26700:17:37,590 --> 00:17:41,280We get brought in the hummus forone of our guests just to just26800:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,030to piss him off.26900:17:43,260 --> 00:17:47,340Ladies and gentlemen, pleasewelcome to Royal board members.27000:17:47,700 --> 00:17:51,120We have Sir Alex gates and SirBrian of London joining us27100:17:51,120 --> 00:17:51,540today.27200:17:53,160 --> 00:17:53,820Hey, in the morning.27300:17:55,980 --> 00:17:59,160Morning, in the morning, andmore. Hey guys, how are you?27400:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,120Hey, guys.27500:18:02,460 --> 00:18:06,480There we go. Is it true Alexthat basically my every bit of27600:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,870my development style isbasically antithetical to27700:18:10,050 --> 00:18:13,620everything that you stand for,as a human being, well standing27800:18:13,620 --> 00:18:15,960for it, like I've done thisstuff myself, but when you want27900:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,610to get professional about it,then28000:18:19,260 --> 00:18:23,100being accountable for your forwhat you work on. So just let's28100:18:23,100 --> 00:18:26,190let's just nail down some brasstacks here for the people who28200:18:26,190 --> 00:18:29,640aren't necessarily developers.What exactly could they be doing28300:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,490better at or as you would sayout, like, I don't want to have28400:18:32,490 --> 00:18:36,480this more professional wouldmake him more professional.28500:18:37,980 --> 00:18:40,980I'm already working on that. Ialready got him to switch to a28600:18:40,980 --> 00:18:44,460GitHub project this week. Oh,okay. Oh, good now.28700:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,780Hey, guys, welcome. Glad to haveyou here in the board meeting.28800:18:53,190 --> 00:18:56,190You have both of you actuallybeen quite active with so much28900:18:56,190 --> 00:18:59,340development that I don't knowwhere we can start. Dave, you29000:18:59,340 --> 00:19:01,830should probably help us in29100:19:02,970 --> 00:19:08,340guide us. Well, I want I wantone of you, or both at the exact29200:19:08,340 --> 00:19:13,800same time to talk about just thejust the most recent update with29300:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,190POD paying. And I've got a bunchof questions and stuff in to29400:19:17,190 --> 00:19:20,010talk about with it. But I wantto just some somebody give a29500:19:20,010 --> 00:19:20,760real quick29600:19:22,110 --> 00:19:23,460overview on where29700:19:24,510 --> 00:19:27,210what the changes are and whatthe updates are between 1.0 and29800:19:27,210 --> 00:19:27,9001.1.29900:19:29,580 --> 00:19:32,640That's going to be Alec. I wantto hear this one here about it30000:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,910in in your words. So succinct,and then we can dig in.30100:19:37,260 --> 00:19:40,620Yeah, I can give you the firstshot on Branchville. And what30200:19:40,620 --> 00:19:43,020are we talking about for peoplewho have no clue?30300:19:44,940 --> 00:19:48,180Yeah, so we're talking aboutspecifically the popping hybrid30400:19:48,180 --> 00:19:51,030project that we're working on,which makes it easy. I mean,30500:19:51,030 --> 00:19:54,690it's what Dave uses to write thepiping right. Piping the cloud.30600:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,670Yep, that's the back end. Yeah.The most significant change for30700:19:59,700 --> 00:19:59,970for30800:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,210For this version of pod ping, iswe added reason codes, which I30900:20:06,210 --> 00:20:10,500mean, we only had one reasoncode, which is it, a podcast was31000:20:10,500 --> 00:20:15,210able to say no, we're gonnastart a live stream, which we31100:20:15,210 --> 00:20:18,450we've tested and worked workedout, we could even do for the31200:20:18,450 --> 00:20:22,920shelf we wanted to. And then wealso added medium codes, which31300:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,780allows you to say, this is themedium type of this feed. So if31400:20:27,780 --> 00:20:30,540it's a video and an app doesn'tsupport a video, they can choose31500:20:30,540 --> 00:20:31,080to ignore it.31600:20:33,270 --> 00:20:36,270Excellent, me. So and we'reusing that already with three31700:20:36,270 --> 00:20:40,950speaks. So all of three speakspod ping announcements now say31800:20:40,950 --> 00:20:45,180that it's video. And it's anupdate, as opposed to just31900:20:45,180 --> 00:20:49,710podcast, which would be morenormal for audio. Well, is there32000:20:49,710 --> 00:20:53,010a live? Is there a livefunctionality within three32100:20:53,010 --> 00:20:54,750speak? Is that being used at allthere?32200:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,670There? There isn't. But there isanother streaming service32300:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,980loosely based around hive called32400:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,730Vim. Vim, yeah. vim.tv. And I'mtalking with them, and they're32500:21:08,730 --> 00:21:12,060interested in doing and they'rea live streaming service, you32600:21:12,060 --> 00:21:16,080know, a twitch replacement. Andthey're interested in looking at32700:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,240live for people listening toAlex and Brian are the32800:21:21,390 --> 00:21:25,290essentially that y'all you guysare the ones who are writing all32900:21:25,290 --> 00:21:29,370of the pot PIN code. That isthere's a difference between pot33000:21:29,370 --> 00:21:35,340pink cloud and pod pink properpink cloud is is podcast index33100:21:35,340 --> 00:21:41,670is hosted. Front end for for podpaying itself. Pod on paying33200:21:41,670 --> 00:21:45,780really is the hive writer, thehive writer is what you can give33300:21:45,780 --> 00:21:48,960it some information about apodcast, and it writes it to the33400:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,540hive blockchain so that itbecomes publicly available33500:21:51,540 --> 00:21:55,860everywhere for everybody to see.The public cloud is just a front33600:21:55,860 --> 00:21:59,100end to hive writer to make iteasy for people to get on board.33700:21:59,100 --> 00:22:02,280And that's what I ping rightwith my script. Yes, yes, that's33800:22:02,280 --> 00:22:07,020right. So so what Alex and Briando they write, they write the33900:22:07,020 --> 00:22:11,820code for the the low, the lowerlevel high writer itself.34000:22:13,020 --> 00:22:17,850So the there's going to be, soI'll take this one out of the34100:22:17,850 --> 00:22:20,640way too, there's going to be achange, or there already has34200:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,390been a change to the way thatthe listeners the hive watchers.34300:22:25,170 --> 00:22:29,550Neat, neat need to need tobehave. I do want to run over34400:22:29,550 --> 00:22:30,630that real quick, Alex?34500:22:32,250 --> 00:22:36,810Yeah, so I guess the backup alittle bit. In addition to the34600:22:36,810 --> 00:22:41,040hive writer, we're also we'vealso taken the task of defining34700:22:41,040 --> 00:22:47,160the piping protocol. And whatwhat that's evolved from from34800:22:47,190 --> 00:22:50,280from one point now is,originally we were just saying,34900:22:50,310 --> 00:22:54,480hey, this RSS feed has beenupdated. A listener can was able35000:22:54,480 --> 00:23:00,780to, to receive those feeds, andassume that their RSS feeds and35100:23:00,900 --> 00:23:05,250parse them do whatever they wantwith them. What we added was the35200:23:05,250 --> 00:23:09,450ability to discover what youknow more information about that35300:23:09,450 --> 00:23:13,770feed without sticking the entirefeed itself into hive, which is35400:23:14,220 --> 00:23:17,490kind of some people I think somepeople misunderstand what that35500:23:17,490 --> 00:23:20,370is, like, we're not putting,we're not replacing your RSS35600:23:20,370 --> 00:23:24,030feed at all. We're just saying,Hey, you could just you could35700:23:24,030 --> 00:23:28,950tell people when it's beenupdated that as well as the35800:23:28,950 --> 00:23:31,590entire history of every feedthat's ever been updated. But35900:23:31,590 --> 00:23:35,220wait a minute, Alex, I heard forsure on a different podcast.36000:23:35,220 --> 00:23:37,380This was an RSS replacementthingy.36100:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,210I think they're mixing it upwith RS three. Oh, yeah. Cuz36200:23:42,210 --> 00:23:46,110that's, that's, that's reallysimple syndication, RSS three.36300:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,270Yeah. The simple part startswith the algebraic equations36400:23:51,270 --> 00:23:53,760that you need to understand inwhite paper.36500:23:54,810 --> 00:23:57,120Right. Sorry, I didn't evendidn't mean to interrupt, but36600:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,350it's this is a good as they callit explainer? Well, this is all36700:24:01,410 --> 00:24:05,130also not web three. So I'llthrow that well. Fuck, fuck the36800:24:05,130 --> 00:24:09,120terms. i We are so web three, ithurts. Come on. I mean, if you36900:24:09,120 --> 00:24:10,500really want to talk about it,37000:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,300I'll tell you what, what this isthe what popping is doing is it37100:24:18,300 --> 00:24:21,150gives us a way to make theseannouncements these and the37200:24:21,150 --> 00:24:24,960announcement is purely this haschanged. That's it. And we've37300:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,560just added with the new with thenew sort of protocol change in37400:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,200the background that Alex talkingabout. We've added weights just37500:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,980to say just a little bit moreinformation not too much. And it37600:24:34,980 --> 00:24:37,920just, you know, it allows you tofilter a little bit more37700:24:39,690 --> 00:24:43,200with a with a little bit ofease. And but essentially it's37800:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,990just saying go pull this feed,it's made a change if you're37900:24:45,990 --> 00:24:50,040interested in this feed. That'sit. And that's the bit that's38000:24:50,460 --> 00:24:53,520that's carrying on and it's beenrunning you know nonstop now38100:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,800what for nine months, 10 months.It's it's quite I'm impressed38200:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,250I'm impressed with the back endof the, you know, the pod pink38300:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,480cloud front end that that you'vegot day running for it. But38400:25:06,510 --> 00:25:11,040that, you know, the issue withthat is that's the bit that's38500:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,220not decentralized, but the wholesystem itself is going to be38600:25:14,220 --> 00:25:17,970decentralized. You know, one daywe're going to have these these38700:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,930entities like the hosts writingdirectly to the hive blockchain,38800:25:21,930 --> 00:25:23,520because it's really not thatdifficult.38900:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,380Yeah. And in fact, I alreadyhave a prototype of that working39000:25:28,380 --> 00:25:28,800for39100:25:30,210 --> 00:25:33,210Stephen belt for curio caster orSimon Fraser, I should say,39200:25:34,470 --> 00:25:37,860we have a Docker image, and Ihave it to where I give him some39300:25:37,860 --> 00:25:40,920JavaScript code to where he canrun a serverless function and39400:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,480run a Docker container on GoogleCloud, to publish a live stream39500:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,110notification. Can you can youflesh that out? And tell me how39600:25:49,110 --> 00:25:51,720that works? Because I thought Iwas just sort of tangentially39700:25:51,720 --> 00:25:57,210following what exactly is is thewhat exactly is going on there?39800:25:59,340 --> 00:26:02,220In Google Cloud, I mean, yeah,it's really not different from39900:26:02,220 --> 00:26:05,370what you would do on on yourdesktop or server, if you run40000:26:05,370 --> 00:26:10,530Docker command line, except theyoffered as a service in an API.40100:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,190So it takes the Dockercontainer, it doesn't run as a40200:26:14,190 --> 00:26:18,690server just runs as a commandline application. And you give40300:26:18,690 --> 00:26:23,400it the feed you what you want itto update. And it runs the40400:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,000Docker container with thosearguments, and then it exits. So40500:26:27,180 --> 00:26:31,740knowing that from fromJavaScript, how fast is there,40600:26:32,190 --> 00:26:34,770never run a Docker containerlike that is sort of like an on40700:26:34,770 --> 00:26:39,060demand function type situation,is it slow to spin up? Or is the40800:26:39,060 --> 00:26:41,640container just so lean? Thatit's quick?40900:26:43,230 --> 00:26:46,380The slowest part about isprobably Google's API. Like if41000:26:46,380 --> 00:26:50,580you do on your desktop, it'srapid. Yeah. So okay, I mean,41100:26:50,580 --> 00:26:51,570it's under a minute still.41200:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,620Oh, wow. Okay, so you don'treally get penalized by the by41300:26:55,620 --> 00:26:56,880the serverless function stuff.41400:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,400Yeah. So Alex,41500:27:00,750 --> 00:27:04,830we know that three speakers isintegrating some of this you41600:27:04,830 --> 00:27:08,670have yet another hat that youwere at no agenda tube, what's41700:27:08,670 --> 00:27:11,730the status of that because Ihave such high hopes for41800:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,120for the web torrent and foreverything that you've been41900:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,170putting together there.42000:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,140The status that is it's working42100:27:20,220 --> 00:27:22,860for super super, super basicfunctionality.42200:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,010I don't have any other newpodcasts 2.0 features or42300:27:26,010 --> 00:27:30,060anything except Alternaenclosure. But the the idea is42400:27:30,060 --> 00:27:35,070once we get popping to a stablestate, which is very, very soon,42500:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,800there's a couple more updates weare due for Dave,42600:27:38,970 --> 00:27:41,460I want to be able to integratethat and integrate no agenda to42700:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,450live streaming per video aswell. This is this, this is my42800:27:45,450 --> 00:27:50,190ask. I have mo facts waiting inthe wings. He's a he is a42900:27:50,190 --> 00:27:55,830prototypical YouTuber. He doesall of his last tapes and all43000:27:55,830 --> 00:27:59,340this stuff live. And he uses thechat and the he doesn't use43100:27:59,340 --> 00:28:04,230Super Chat doesn't monetize. Buthe is ready. As soon as you43200:28:04,230 --> 00:28:08,520know, as soon as the light isgiven to hook in a live stream43300:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,710into no agenda tube. So we cando the notifications and he43400:28:13,710 --> 00:28:18,870wants to do we'll do the kind ofthe Super Chat analogy with with43500:28:18,870 --> 00:28:22,110the booster grams in the live inthe live stream. So he's ready43600:28:22,110 --> 00:28:26,400to go whenever we are, I'm goingto do is doing better. I'm going43700:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,460to integrate live chat and theno agenda tube and we're gonna43800:28:29,460 --> 00:28:30,480figure out how to do boost. And43900:28:32,820 --> 00:28:36,720this is this is gonna be so bigand we have ideas, man, we got44000:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,140ideas for this. They are youfamiliar with versus44100:28:42,090 --> 00:28:46,740you were here versus but in whatcontext that versus is a it's a44200:28:46,740 --> 00:28:52,560hip hop battle. And it happens Ithink annually on an on streams44300:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,580on different platforms andYouTube as well. And, and it's44400:28:56,580 --> 00:28:59,940so it's two different DJs or twohip hoppers. And it's like a44500:28:59,940 --> 00:29:01,950battle and people vote.44600:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,580You know, with either thumbs upand I think they might be they44700:29:05,580 --> 00:29:08,910might do some super chats withthat as well. But we're thinking44800:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,720booster grams and streamingSATs, you got the scoreboard for44900:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,990each one. It's all live, thewhole thing is completely45000:29:15,990 --> 00:29:17,490replicable in our environment.45100:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,140Yeah, I've actually seen somelive streaming platforms that45200:29:22,140 --> 00:29:26,340have built in verses like thatgreat analogy, but they do it45300:29:26,340 --> 00:29:28,740with their own tokens and thegreat thing here is Yeah, which45400:29:28,740 --> 00:29:33,750is Bitcoin? Yes. And this is theversus audiences a huge cash app45500:29:33,750 --> 00:29:34,410audience.45600:29:36,210 --> 00:29:39,630Which which which is Adams whichis Adams code for black America,45700:29:39,660 --> 00:29:41,550which is just what I know frommo45800:29:42,780 --> 00:29:47,040Cash App Cash App rules, so youknow, easy to fill up wallets.45900:29:47,070 --> 00:29:50,280It's a it's a of course we'reonly talking to us only but I46000:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,240can't fix everything.46100:29:52,770 --> 00:29:56,370Well, I thought a cash app wasUK also it is yeah, but you46200:29:56,370 --> 00:29:59,370know, it's not Australia then itgets no coverage in our news. I46300:29:59,370 --> 00:29:59,670see.46400:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,910Our news doesn't cover say it'snot Israel.46500:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,990Well, you guys got breeze man.What's your problem? This note46600:30:09,990 --> 00:30:10,350we've got46700:30:11,460 --> 00:30:15,540she got everything there. Yourcentral bank shekels.46800:30:17,580 --> 00:30:20,490So I want to I want to finish upthe what is popping kind of46900:30:20,490 --> 00:30:25,470thing? Sure. Dave, you use youposted a Twitter. What did they47000:30:25,470 --> 00:30:28,830call it some audio live streamfrom Jack Dorsey and to Corey.47100:30:28,830 --> 00:30:32,160So I think the other day Oh, Ihaven't today, Twitter Twitter47200:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,310spaces. I can't wait to listento that. He he said something47300:30:35,310 --> 00:30:37,530really beautiful. And thatdiscussion?47400:30:38,790 --> 00:30:41,040kind of halfway through and thatwas47500:30:42,690 --> 00:30:45,690do you centralize informationdiscovery has been the most47600:30:45,690 --> 00:30:49,830difficult part ever since web2.0 came out? And that really47700:30:49,830 --> 00:30:53,220describes the issue ofpodcasting. One, podcasting. 1.047800:30:53,220 --> 00:30:57,060right. Pod ping is a way todiscover47900:30:58,230 --> 00:31:03,870got new RSS feeds, but with theaddition of the medium tags. We48000:31:03,930 --> 00:31:06,900I mean, no one's done it yet.But we can have blogs, we can48100:31:06,900 --> 00:31:10,860have films which I'm going topod teen is is the podcasting48200:31:10,860 --> 00:31:12,480platform, dare I say that?48300:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,230Just sort of the argument ofwhat podcasting is but uh, but48400:31:19,230 --> 00:31:23,340it's it's, it's, you know, it's,there's, it's kind of a proto48500:31:23,340 --> 00:31:26,310for proto form, you know, it'slike a protocol and a platform48600:31:26,310 --> 00:31:29,910at the same time. But you canbuild anything with podcasting48700:31:29,910 --> 00:31:33,090off of pod ping, you could buildan app could run on pod ping, I48800:31:33,090 --> 00:31:35,310think I mean, you don't needanything?48900:31:36,540 --> 00:31:39,510Well, you don't know it, becauseI haven't, I haven't got it to49000:31:39,510 --> 00:31:42,630show you yet. But there's an APIcoming out of South Africa soon,49100:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,850which is going to be the publicopen API for exploring what's49200:31:47,850 --> 00:31:52,110happened on Pompeii. And it'scool built as part of the hive49300:31:52,110 --> 00:31:55,950work. Oh, excellent. It's calledthe hive application framework.49400:31:55,950 --> 00:31:59,940It's a new part of Hive it. Butit's specifically designed to49500:31:59,940 --> 00:32:03,990make it easy to write apps thathave a normal database, you49600:32:03,990 --> 00:32:06,030don't have to think aboutblockchain, you don't, you don't49700:32:06,030 --> 00:32:08,100have to be a blockchaindeveloper, you just see a49800:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,770database and you'll see adatabase of all the pod pings.49900:32:11,010 --> 00:32:13,770And then and then whatever youwant to do with that you can do50000:32:13,770 --> 00:32:16,500with that. And it's updated inreal time, you know, three50100:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,890seconds after the latest podping, your tables are updated,50200:32:19,890 --> 00:32:23,550and you just call a database.And that's, that's gonna be50300:32:23,550 --> 00:32:28,050available as like, you can justdownload and install it with50400:32:28,050 --> 00:32:31,170Docker, or you can access thepublic API.50500:32:32,550 --> 00:32:36,030We're working on that. That'sreally interesting, because that50600:32:36,030 --> 00:32:40,140is a way to decentralize thefunctions of the index. I mean,50700:32:40,140 --> 00:32:43,950not not the API functions, but alot of the storage function.50800:32:45,630 --> 00:32:48,660This is because it's not goingto go looking at the feeds. No,50900:32:49,110 --> 00:32:53,790it is going to be the place tofind new stuff, because because51000:32:53,820 --> 00:32:58,530every new every active feed willbe announced there. Once we get51100:32:58,530 --> 00:33:03,000these sticky hosts to come onboard, and it's really the51200:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,300ongoing back. That's a greatcatch, Alex and I haven't heard51300:33:06,300 --> 00:33:09,510that that Dorsey thing yet. Ican't it's on my list.51400:33:11,580 --> 00:33:16,200Because the one thing thatdislike the Holy Grail, where51500:33:16,230 --> 00:33:20,070venture capitalists put hundredsof millions of dollars into51600:33:20,340 --> 00:33:25,560discovery of podcasting, andthis really invalidates all51700:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,720those investments, like that somuch. What it does it in a way51800:33:30,720 --> 00:33:38,010to that is is permanent, and youknow, and discoverable by51900:33:38,010 --> 00:33:43,410anyone. Oh, yeah. Well, you I'dlike a couple, Dorsey said in52000:33:43,410 --> 00:33:47,970that same conversation. And Iregret I don't I haven't heard52100:33:47,970 --> 00:33:49,410it or clipped it I would havebeen great.52200:33:50,550 --> 00:33:55,380I sat down to clip it all lastnight, and then has sat down and52300:33:55,380 --> 00:33:58,770a heavy pad and intervened. No,no, I just sat down to clip it52400:33:58,770 --> 00:34:02,790all up and bring some clips tothe show. And then like five52500:34:02,790 --> 00:34:08,580minutes after I sat down my my11 year old daughter gave me the52600:34:08,610 --> 00:34:12,660she said the words that everyparent dreads Oh with which is52700:34:12,690 --> 00:34:13,500I'm pregnant52800:34:19,380 --> 00:34:22,140I have daughters, I've steppeddaughters and a daughter. Okay,52900:34:22,140 --> 00:34:26,130this is this is what I'mthinking. No, no. She said, Hey,53000:34:26,130 --> 00:34:30,900Dad, I want to play Minecraftwith some buddies online and Oh,53100:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,410no.53200:34:33,210 --> 00:34:38,970No, no. Hours crying more didserver. No, no. Okay, so that's53300:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,080that was the original thing.Like five years ago I was for53400:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,530sure is Hey, Dad, can youinstall a mod for me? And you're53500:34:46,530 --> 00:34:47,130like, No.53600:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,190I'm gonna really just JavaScriptI grabbed from a random website.53700:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,510Yeah, exactly that nothing badwill happen. But now it's even53800:34:57,510 --> 00:34:59,970though it's you know, like it'sall on the Xbox.53900:35:00,299 --> 00:35:04,979So I had to fight for two hoursof you're not all your family54000:35:05,219 --> 00:35:09,389security settings will not allowyou to join online games and I54100:35:09,389 --> 00:35:13,289was on Microsoft's website, liketrying to change. Like doing54200:35:13,289 --> 00:35:17,549family. Man, that's hilarious.Yeah. You missed this whole54300:35:17,549 --> 00:35:21,779thing, Adam. Well, yeah, well,you know, right now it's like54400:35:21,779 --> 00:35:24,689it's the opposite. I want mydaughter to get pregnant. Come54500:35:24,689 --> 00:35:29,579on. Grandpa already. I'm waitingfor a girl hurry. Oh, well,54600:35:29,579 --> 00:35:32,279Minecraft is not the route topregnancy. So that's54700:35:34,050 --> 00:35:37,500a great prophylactic. It'sbeautiful. Yes, it is. Yeah. But54800:35:38,070 --> 00:35:42,240yeah, I was gonna say is thatwhen what he talked about is54900:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,900that discovery is the the causeof centralization. Like that's55000:35:48,900 --> 00:35:52,890why things centralized? Yes,yes, to make discovery possible.55100:35:53,190 --> 00:35:58,410But this with POD ping, you endup there. Everything is55200:35:58,410 --> 00:36:02,130decentralized. But it's stilldiscoverable. And it's it's55300:36:02,130 --> 00:36:07,110discoverable in a permanent way.Like, Alex out, I'm misquoted. I55400:36:07,110 --> 00:36:12,180attributed this. The this toChris Fisher, which is really,55500:36:12,210 --> 00:36:17,010really Alex, who said this a fewweeks ago was that pod paying is55600:36:17,010 --> 00:36:20,550a distributed message bus forpodcasting. And that's exactly55700:36:20,610 --> 00:36:23,970that's exactly right. Yes,everybody can hook in and get55800:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,220all the same information. It isit is the opposite of anything55900:36:29,220 --> 00:36:34,140you can do platform it is it isso big. I mean, I've seen I saw56000:36:34,140 --> 00:36:38,490it from day one. It's like,once, once it dawned on me,56100:36:38,490 --> 00:36:41,310which you understood muchquicker than I did, Dave. But56200:36:41,310 --> 00:36:44,730once I saw it, I'm like, holycrap, this is what everyone's56300:36:44,730 --> 00:36:48,420been talking about. And all thismoney is, is Spotify, just56400:36:48,420 --> 00:36:52,530bought companies that have someversion of this, you know, of56500:36:52,530 --> 00:36:55,500this discoverability factor, inthis case, they tied into56600:36:55,500 --> 00:36:59,310advertising. But this, this isbeautiful.56700:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,410I want to just point out one onepart of it that I think is, is56800:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,980misunderstood and overlooked,which is that the reason we can56900:37:07,980 --> 00:37:12,330do all of this is because wewere putting these messages into57000:37:12,330 --> 00:37:16,620a system, which whilst we arenot directly paying for, we are57100:37:16,620 --> 00:37:20,310paying for by having aninvestment in it. Okay, that's57200:37:20,310 --> 00:37:24,630the, you know, that's the amountof hive that I've raised and57300:37:24,660 --> 00:37:28,500stake and you know, it's about4000 or $5,000 Worth, it's57400:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,770really it's not a big amount.And it's not it's not spent57500:37:31,770 --> 00:37:36,690money. But that's our stake inthe ownership, partial ownership57600:37:36,720 --> 00:37:41,250of Hive. And you can ask somequestions about this. I know57700:37:41,250 --> 00:37:42,150very little about it.57800:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,430So this is a high, highblockchain as a staking based57900:37:47,430 --> 00:37:50,670systems, I understand it. Yeah.And we don't have a gated proof58000:37:50,670 --> 00:37:53,820of stake. And we don't have togo too deep. But what is the58100:37:53,820 --> 00:37:58,050ratio of usage versus stake EJthat you have to have? So you58200:37:58,050 --> 00:38:00,180say, three $4,000?58300:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,660That's a lot of money to somepeople, a lot of money to a lot58400:38:03,660 --> 00:38:06,690of people. So I just tried tounderstand how much do you need58500:38:07,140 --> 00:38:12,960in order to utilize the system?Is there some kind of key that I58600:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,990can understand like, well, ifI'm doing this with it, or if I,58700:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,920you know, what I'm saying? It'sbased on, it's based on a system58800:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,970called Resource credits, and youuse up resource credits, which58900:38:23,970 --> 00:38:28,860are a renewable resource, you,you know, you get them, they59000:38:28,860 --> 00:38:33,180recharge all the time at a ratedependent on your investment in59100:38:33,180 --> 00:38:39,210the system. And your resourceusage is based on basically how59200:38:39,210 --> 00:38:42,720much data and how quickly you'reputting it into the chain, how59300:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,630much how much data you'rewriting, so we're writing these59400:38:45,630 --> 00:38:50,190pod paying, got it, and we writewhat, four or 5000 a day, which59500:38:50,190 --> 00:38:54,060is us, you know that on anyother blockchain that would be a59600:38:54,060 --> 00:38:57,570crazy amount of transactions.But that turns out to be point,59700:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,680one 6% of that type oftransaction where we're59800:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,020miniscule where we're minnows,nobody even notices pod ping. So59900:39:07,260 --> 00:39:11,100that investment and to behonest, is you know, I'm, I'm60000:39:11,130 --> 00:39:15,420over invested because I'minvesting in the whole system as60100:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,470as you know, just just tosupport it. But the point about60200:39:19,470 --> 00:39:23,970hive that makes it different isthe way it was born. There is no60300:39:23,970 --> 00:39:28,170owner there is no venturecapital there is no single owner60400:39:28,830 --> 00:39:35,130there's nobody who has more than3% we think and that means it is60500:39:35,130 --> 00:39:40,860truly independent there's no CEOthere's no office there's no60600:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,280address there's nowhere to servelegal papers you can't you which60700:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,820is 5g is unique, which is uniquein the world of proof of stake60800:39:47,820 --> 00:39:52,080if I'm wrong if I'm going Yes,Bitcoin is the only other thing60900:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,590I think that's like that. Youknow, there's just nobody you61000:39:55,590 --> 00:39:59,820can go nail a sign on the doorand say, say come to court with61100:39:59,820 --> 00:39:59,970it.61200:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,390You can do that there are frontends to hive there are, you61300:40:03,390 --> 00:40:07,890know, websites like Hive dotblog or peak d.com, you can find61400:40:07,890 --> 00:40:11,580the owners of that. But theunderlying system, the database,61500:40:11,610 --> 00:40:16,500the bit that we're using, youcan't find it. It's distributed61600:40:16,500 --> 00:40:21,210properly. This is thank you forthat explanation, I understand I61700:40:21,210 --> 00:40:25,530have a better grasp on it. Andso I'm right. This is this is61800:40:25,530 --> 00:40:30,090true web 3.0 where thestakeholders run the system. And61900:40:30,090 --> 00:40:34,320the stakeholders benefit howeverthey need it. Yeah, yeah, I get62000:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,410it. I get it. And then, so takethat VC. Yeah. And it's kind of62100:40:40,710 --> 00:40:43,890web three in reverse. Becausepodcasting has been around for62200:40:43,890 --> 00:40:48,690so long. We're just taking thatway of standardizing information62300:40:48,690 --> 00:40:52,860to applications and telling youwhere it is, then what and what62400:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,940happened? Well, let's talk aboutthat, then. So you're62500:40:58,230 --> 00:41:06,360so a, a pod, a pod paying,enabled host or platform. Let me62600:41:06,390 --> 00:41:07,920let me figure out how todescribe this.62700:41:09,330 --> 00:41:13,620I think people don't understandwhat you can actually do with62800:41:13,620 --> 00:41:19,830POD ping. What what they hearis, it's a way to see when feeds62900:41:19,830 --> 00:41:20,370update.63000:41:21,690 --> 00:41:26,730Okay, fine. Yes, that is true.It's now become a way to see63100:41:26,730 --> 00:41:31,410when feeds update withappropriate data attached to63200:41:31,410 --> 00:41:34,890that to know why it's updatingand for and, and what that63300:41:34,890 --> 00:41:35,520means.63400:41:36,780 --> 00:41:41,400But think about it more broadly,if you're a hosting company, or63500:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,900an app, or some sort of thirdparty platform like analytics,63600:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,390or a publisher, think about thetypes of data that you can63700:41:51,390 --> 00:41:57,540glean, if you have a low noiseratio, constant stream of63800:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,620podcast activity that you canwatch. So you could for63900:42:01,620 --> 00:42:04,050instance, do something like,64000:42:05,190 --> 00:42:09,330look at all these shows that youknow, are highly successful, and64100:42:09,330 --> 00:42:12,810look at their growth curves, andthen correlate that with how64200:42:12,810 --> 00:42:16,080many times a day they are, howmany times a week they publish,64300:42:16,110 --> 00:42:18,930or what days of the week theypublish, or what time of day64400:42:18,930 --> 00:42:23,160they publish, or how long theshows are. But once you have64500:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,920this sort of low signal tonoise, high signal to noise64600:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,670ratio,64700:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,210message system, you can look atall those sorts of things and go64800:42:33,210 --> 00:42:35,130back and remember, it'spermanent. So you can go back in64900:42:35,130 --> 00:42:39,600time, you can say, Okay, overthe last year, these these shows65000:42:39,630 --> 00:42:43,620on my platform have have peaked,and then the advertisements65100:42:43,980 --> 00:42:49,110were, you know, successful hereand had a good return. And they,65200:42:49,140 --> 00:42:51,810you know, these other, you cando all these correlations65300:42:51,810 --> 00:42:56,250between the activity you see,without having to have to deal65400:42:56,250 --> 00:43:00,450with all of that noise. It'sjust things like that, where you65500:43:00,450 --> 00:43:04,860can, if you think more a littlebit beyond the immediate65600:43:04,860 --> 00:43:10,830technology of it, you can seehow powerful it becomes. Is that65700:43:10,830 --> 00:43:14,700fair, and that's without runningthe podcast in because you can65800:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,390you Dave, who sits at the centerof something called podcast65900:43:18,390 --> 00:43:22,560index, which is quite a bigexpensive thing to run, you66000:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,250could work all of that out. Butnow, what we're going to have66100:43:26,250 --> 00:43:30,000going forward is a way to justtap into that same information66200:43:30,180 --> 00:43:34,830really cheaply. And, and, youknow, there's a philosophical I,66300:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,190I got onto hive, like two yearsago, after being chucked off66400:43:38,190 --> 00:43:42,120Facebook, and it was aphilosophical switch. Everybody66500:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,240was was all upset that Facebookand you know that they're paying66600:43:45,240 --> 00:43:49,110huge fines. Now Facebook was,you know, selectively giving66700:43:49,110 --> 00:43:52,860your information to this partyor that party, Hive, everything66800:43:52,860 --> 00:43:55,860I everything I click on ispublic. And you come to66900:43:55,860 --> 00:44:00,270understand that, you know, ifI'm going to be on social media,67000:44:00,270 --> 00:44:02,460if I'm going to be acting inpublic, I might as well just67100:44:02,460 --> 00:44:05,310assume that everything I do ispublic, because it's better that67200:44:05,310 --> 00:44:09,000way. And when you're publishinga podcast, everything you do is67300:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,050public. You know, when you presspublish, the whole world can see67400:44:13,050 --> 00:44:17,670it, but it just up to now you'dhave to look all over the web to67500:44:17,700 --> 00:44:20,490you know, 4 million differentplaces to find out when67600:44:20,490 --> 00:44:25,500everybody published. So thiscentralize is where you look to67700:44:25,500 --> 00:44:29,190see that information, but stillin a decentralized way. It's67800:44:29,190 --> 00:44:33,810really different. It'sbeautiful. I learned yesterday67900:44:36,390 --> 00:44:40,860I made a mistake and I put thewrong image size in the RSS feed68000:44:40,860 --> 00:44:46,830instead of minimum 2000 by 2000,which is the Apple requirement.68100:44:47,610 --> 00:44:55,440I put the five whatever, five520 Whatever it is 520 by 520.68200:44:55,890 --> 00:44:58,500And Apple won't publish68300:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,239They won't, it will not surfaceon their app if you have the68400:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,929wrong image size. Oh, it justwon't even show it. Oh, no, they68500:45:06,929 --> 00:45:09,899will not publish it. And I knowand I know, because we have a68600:45:09,899 --> 00:45:10,619producer68700:45:11,790 --> 00:45:13,650who approved it manually.68800:45:14,759 --> 00:45:19,199After nine hours, like it's outof that. Yeah. Yeah. He said,68900:45:19,229 --> 00:45:22,349Dude. And this happens a lotwith me. Because it's not it's,69000:45:22,349 --> 00:45:24,269you know, I change the album artall the time. And I make69100:45:24,299 --> 00:45:28,739mistakes. I make stupidmistakes. It's my fault. But the69200:45:28,739 --> 00:45:30,599fact that it doesn't evenpublish69300:45:31,770 --> 00:45:32,850that's whacked.69400:45:34,110 --> 00:45:36,810That's weird. You would thinkthat it would publish and just69500:45:36,810 --> 00:45:40,800have like, no, if your imageit's a trap, if your image size69600:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,920is not correct on Apple, they donot publish it. Because you69700:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,190know, it might hurt the user.That's for the the overall image69800:45:47,190 --> 00:45:49,560for the whole feed. It's it isit's a night I've been dealing69900:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,660with that with three spit,because we don't, we don't70000:45:51,660 --> 00:45:55,290actually have a 2000 by 2000image anywhere. And it's it's70100:45:55,290 --> 00:45:58,530been a pain in the ass doingeverything to comply with that.70200:45:58,530 --> 00:46:04,200Just one and it sickens me.Yeah, yeah, you're right. I70300:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,450mean, I'd like to throw all myimages out there, which of70400:46:06,450 --> 00:46:09,480course I can do. I know. And wehave that capability. And we70500:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,150have it, it's built intosovereign feeds, I still have to70600:46:12,150 --> 00:46:16,770create them. But it's, anyway,just as an aside, all these all70700:46:16,770 --> 00:46:21,810these hoops all fall away? Well,there's at least three is at70800:46:21,810 --> 00:46:24,210least three more podcast hoststhat I know of that are going to70900:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,640need are going to be coming onboard with Todd ping. Excellent.71000:46:27,180 --> 00:46:30,810And pretty soon. And I thinkthat it's,71100:46:31,980 --> 00:46:35,610it's clear, if you're not doingthis, you're not your podcast71200:46:35,610 --> 00:46:36,240host your71300:46:37,410 --> 00:46:41,550words I was going to use, we'llgo with, if you're not if you're71400:46:41,550 --> 00:46:43,500a podcast host and you're notdoing it.71500:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,480I just don't understand why itdoesn't make it. So here's,71600:46:49,530 --> 00:46:53,460here's another use case, justthey just start hitting you as71700:46:53,460 --> 00:46:56,460you think about this stuff.Another use case, a new podcast71800:46:56,460 --> 00:46:59,790platform comes online. And weget requests for this all the71900:46:59,790 --> 00:47:02,730time, I get three this week,three emails from different72000:47:02,730 --> 00:47:06,420people saying, Hey, can I usethe index database? What are the72100:47:06,420 --> 00:47:09,450terms of service, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah. We're building72200:47:09,450 --> 00:47:11,550a new app or a new platform orwhatever.72300:47:12,660 --> 00:47:18,810And so imagine, imagine a futurewhere piping is the standard,72400:47:19,140 --> 00:47:22,140with the way everybodydistributes new new feed update72500:47:22,140 --> 00:47:27,990notifications. A new platformcoming on board can then take72600:47:28,020 --> 00:47:32,280take a database like ours orsome database, they can walk72700:47:32,310 --> 00:47:35,040back or they don't even have todownload the database, they72800:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,140could walk back in time on theblockchain, and see all of the72900:47:40,140 --> 00:47:42,960feeds that have publishedupdates over certain let's just73000:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,400say a year. And they can chooseto only pull those in and only73100:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,130operate on those database andsay, okay, the rest of them are73200:47:50,130 --> 00:47:53,400not near a pod faded orwhatever. These are the types of73300:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,430things that you can do. And whenyou're a participant in it as a73400:47:56,430 --> 00:48:01,050hosting company, pushing thatdata out there. You are making73500:48:01,050 --> 00:48:06,570your job in the future easier.And cheaper. Yes, you're using73600:48:06,570 --> 00:48:10,890the whole Yeah, go ahead. Now.You don't have to work with this73700:48:10,890 --> 00:48:15,030custom API's to submit feeds.Yeah, don't have to go to73800:48:15,030 --> 00:48:18,210Spotify or Apple, say, hey, weneed an API key to submit this73900:48:18,210 --> 00:48:20,280new feed. Just put it onparking.74000:48:21,450 --> 00:48:24,300Well, that's how I got all ofthe three speed feeds, you know,74100:48:24,300 --> 00:48:27,420to you, you know, I was usingthe app. But from the start, as74200:48:27,420 --> 00:48:30,570soon as as soon as the showupdates, put it on pumping, you74300:48:30,570 --> 00:48:34,500ingest it going forward. That'sthe way to add feeds to all74400:48:34,500 --> 00:48:39,360indexes because it's so easy.It's public. It's it's, it's low74500:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,730abuse, you know, and we haven'tseen any abuse yet. There are74600:48:41,730 --> 00:48:45,270ways to deal with abuse,because, you know, we can, we74700:48:45,270 --> 00:48:48,540can choose who to ignore. So ifsomebody is abusive, we'll just74800:48:48,540 --> 00:48:51,630ignore that their pings, they'llput the pings on the blockchain,74900:48:51,870 --> 00:48:55,980we'll just put them on our listthat we just don't see them. But75000:48:56,220 --> 00:48:59,910that asks censorship as abanker.75100:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,770Yeah, exactly. If you don't wantto see that stuff, you won't75200:49:04,770 --> 00:49:08,610have to see it. If they would beso kind as to use pod ping.75300:49:09,150 --> 00:49:09,600Well, so75400:49:10,740 --> 00:49:12,900sorry, go ahead. I was gonnasay,75500:49:14,100 --> 00:49:19,860can we talk about live plugin?And this is really for Alex, I75600:49:19,860 --> 00:49:23,010guess. What? With live?75700:49:24,300 --> 00:49:27,540What is that going to look likefrom the apps perspective? Can75800:49:27,540 --> 00:49:30,900you describe sort of like aminimum viable product for75900:49:31,230 --> 00:49:36,750allies for a live interface onthe podcast app side?76000:49:38,790 --> 00:49:43,170Yeah, so the minimum minimumviable product is they have a76100:49:43,170 --> 00:49:44,190server somewhere76200:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,930and they're watching the hypeblockchain and they get every76300:49:48,930 --> 00:49:51,510block they get everything forevery block. So I mean, it's not76400:49:51,510 --> 00:49:55,140ideal right now. They get thefire hose of five. And then they76500:49:55,170 --> 00:49:57,450know when they watch for thepiping live events76600:49:59,100 --> 00:49:59,970and if they76700:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,680A, you know, have any76800:50:03,060 --> 00:50:05,670podcast listeners that aresubscribed to that feed, they76900:50:05,670 --> 00:50:08,400can send them a notificationusing whatever notification77000:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,150system they have.77100:50:10,260 --> 00:50:12,180Now, is that too high level? Or?77200:50:13,349 --> 00:50:15,569No, I'm playing I was thinkingthe only question I had was77300:50:15,569 --> 00:50:18,929like, What about a? You're goingto be did apps going to need77400:50:18,929 --> 00:50:22,919some sort of like web hook orsomething to where they can get77500:50:22,919 --> 00:50:26,069notified? Or do they need tojust?77600:50:27,090 --> 00:50:32,640How does this get to the pointwhere they don't have to pull or77700:50:32,790 --> 00:50:37,320look at the block chain?Constantly? So there's two77800:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,840solutions there, Brian mentionedthe first one that he's working77900:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,110on. But that's for like superheavy apps that are, you know,78000:50:43,110 --> 00:50:47,370really, really on hive, to haveI love application framework.78100:50:47,370 --> 00:50:51,030Right, right. But I will also beworking on a, I'm going to78200:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,000probably some kind oflightweight hive notification78300:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,630framework.78400:50:56,430 --> 00:50:58,680For applications that don'treally care about78500:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,120how accurate some of the blockedupdates are, which for78600:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,790livestream notifications, itdoesn't matter that much. So78700:51:05,790 --> 00:51:06,840what will happen is,78800:51:08,010 --> 00:51:11,460it's not built yet it didn'tstart in the code. But what will78900:51:11,460 --> 00:51:14,100happen is you could tell theserver, which feeds you're79000:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,730interested in and how you wantto receive updates for them. And79100:51:17,730 --> 00:51:20,250then the server might give like,you could maybe give it a web79200:51:20,250 --> 00:51:24,690hook or, you know, a WebSocketor something, and then it will79300:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,540give you give you the feedupdates that you're interested79400:51:27,540 --> 00:51:30,690in. And why that's important asthat could work with a headless79500:51:30,690 --> 00:51:35,280server as well. So like in apod, or Kara cast or whatever.79600:51:37,170 --> 00:51:39,750It'll be super lightweight andenergy efficient for phones.79700:51:41,370 --> 00:51:44,220And I haven't done it yet hiveapplication, the hive79800:51:44,220 --> 00:51:47,700application framework will orwill ultimately be the79900:51:47,700 --> 00:51:50,640lightweight back in that that'slistening all the time to the80000:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,330hive blockchain and feeding theinformation in which can then be80100:51:54,330 --> 00:51:57,840redistributed as WebSockets, orwhatever, whatever sort of80200:51:57,900 --> 00:52:02,850mobile friendly format, we needthat just so it's so it becomes80300:52:02,850 --> 00:52:03,120like,80400:52:04,140 --> 00:52:08,040a tree, you know, an upside downtree. So, you know, it's got all80500:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,460the data in the center, but youjust slowly send it off in this80600:52:11,460 --> 00:52:14,820direction and that direction,depending on which client needs80700:52:14,820 --> 00:52:19,920what, maybe not, not consultedme on whatever at the hive80800:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,120allocation framework, so80900:52:23,250 --> 00:52:27,180I don't really do other things.Yeah, I don't really, I think81000:52:27,180 --> 00:52:29,070it's too much for our use case,but maybe81100:52:30,270 --> 00:52:33,030some historical context of whythey made that is81200:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,590it can be pretty tricky for anapplication to know when a block81300:52:37,590 --> 00:52:38,430is finalized.81400:52:39,540 --> 00:52:42,840Which is more important forcurrency and token transactions.81500:52:43,350 --> 00:52:47,610Yeah, it doesn't matter for usreally, like you're talking81600:52:47,610 --> 00:52:50,280about eventual consistency, sortof like as applied to a81700:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,390blockchain. But yeah, there'sabout a 40 sec 42nd to one81800:52:54,390 --> 00:52:59,370minute, period in which, ifyou're being really for Nikiti81900:52:59,370 --> 00:53:01,230on hive, you should wait82000:53:02,490 --> 00:53:05,670for witnesses to attest to thetransaction for all the82100:53:05,670 --> 00:53:08,610witnesses to agree and thenevery now and then, PIF does82200:53:08,610 --> 00:53:12,270micro fork all the time withlittle, little silly details,82300:53:12,270 --> 00:53:16,320you know, sort of whethersomeone clicked like on a social82400:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,030post or not, that micro forksout from time to time that82500:53:21,810 --> 00:53:26,280question that doesn't affect usquestion for Brian. So hive is a82600:53:26,280 --> 00:53:26,820token82700:53:27,960 --> 00:53:34,290what happens with the the usageof Hive does the value of the82800:53:34,290 --> 00:53:40,050token go up? Versus fee like theUS dollar? Is it something I82900:53:40,050 --> 00:53:43,680should I should buy just toinvest in the network? Is it83000:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,590something that I should buy asan investment is it you know,83100:53:47,340 --> 00:53:51,090tell me about the financial sideof the token. And and is there83200:53:51,090 --> 00:53:56,160any risk of that just becoming acrazy, like, you know, Ico type83300:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,360shit coins situation where itkind of loses that functionality83400:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,450and is more about making, youknow, money on investment.83500:54:04,560 --> 00:54:10,770That's, that's such a big areanow, not financial advice. For83600:54:10,770 --> 00:54:14,730example, when we started doingpod ping, I think hive the price83700:54:14,730 --> 00:54:19,830was around 20 or 30 cents. It'snow just around $1 It just83800:54:19,860 --> 00:54:24,960dipped below $1 Now, so actuallymost of the most of the hive83900:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,160power that I've locked in to dopod Ping has appreciated84000:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,610tremendously and I've you know,on paper we're ahead.84100:54:34,620 --> 00:54:37,950I'm not going to say invest inhive but I'm going to say that84200:54:37,980 --> 00:54:42,570it's what makes it stand out anddifferent from all of that Ico84300:54:42,570 --> 00:54:46,590noise and all of those othercoins. The coins is the way hive84400:54:46,590 --> 00:54:51,120was born. I was born in a waryou know there was this I won't84500:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,210go into the it's too is too biga story but high was born84600:54:54,210 --> 00:54:58,320because of an alien invasion.Someone came in tried to sell it84700:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,400man, this is great. Yeah.84800:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,860Warren in an alien invasion, itwas, it was an alien invasion.84900:55:04,890 --> 00:55:08,850And this is the thing aboutdelegated proof of stake, and85000:55:08,850 --> 00:55:13,260it's really important is that wedon't, I don't want to run a85100:55:13,260 --> 00:55:18,060server in order to have a socialmedia site, nobody does. There85200:55:18,060 --> 00:55:22,710are actually 20, top 20, thereare 20 Top witnesses on hive.85300:55:22,950 --> 00:55:26,010And then there's about another80 witnesses that they they do85400:55:26,010 --> 00:55:28,980the heavy lifting of keepingthis thing running, and they get85500:55:28,980 --> 00:55:33,120rewarded. And when the tokenprice was down around six or85600:55:33,120 --> 00:55:38,700seven cents, as it got to thebottom of the last drop, some of85700:55:38,700 --> 00:55:42,390them were, it was hard tojustify the cost of the85800:55:42,390 --> 00:55:45,510equipment, but up at around $1.Everybody running the equipment85900:55:45,510 --> 00:55:48,990that runs high, is making moneyand doing well, they're not86000:55:48,990 --> 00:55:51,690super wealthy, they're notbillionaires, there's no,86100:55:51,870 --> 00:55:56,490there's no VC that's looking foran exit. But they're happy to86200:55:56,490 --> 00:55:59,700run the equipment becausethey're rewarded. And everywhere86300:55:59,700 --> 00:56:03,180I look, all of the projects, allof the front ends that I use,86400:56:03,930 --> 00:56:07,260people are making enough moneyto cover their costs and then86500:56:07,260 --> 00:56:10,740some, and that makes adifference. And I'm funded by86600:56:10,740 --> 00:56:18,780the the the dow of Hive, so Iget a steady increase. Yeah, I86700:56:18,780 --> 00:56:23,220have to pay, I have to pay Alexmore. I just must get around to86800:56:23,220 --> 00:56:25,590that. And you know, fed someback to,86900:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,730to podcast, the index, and Ishould do some more. But the87000:56:29,730 --> 00:56:34,050point is, this isn't it's notbig cash. It's not the sort of87100:56:34,140 --> 00:56:37,890$15 million funding that you getwhen you you know, sign up with87200:56:37,890 --> 00:56:42,870a VC. But it's enough that thevolunteers who love doing this87300:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,760are also not out of pocket doingit. And you know, that's value87400:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,790for value that that's the wholesystem operates and value of87500:56:50,820 --> 00:56:54,480value. I'm not going to say bytime, I think, you know, I've87600:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,960got a lot of Hive, and I'vehardly bought any, I don't think87700:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,310I've really, I've earned it.I've written posts, I've been87800:57:02,310 --> 00:57:04,890paid. And it was because I wasthrown off Facebook, and I87900:57:04,890 --> 00:57:08,400started putting my energy intohive. But because energy and88000:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,030time invested in high for me,where, you know, I was just88100:57:12,030 --> 00:57:15,660writing stuff and postingvideos. instead of it going to88200:57:15,660 --> 00:57:17,670Zuckerberg it went to me. Thankyou.88300:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,850That's what I and I'm now youknow not? I've got a few. I've88400:57:23,850 --> 00:57:28,620got a small ownership stake inhive. And it feels much better88500:57:28,620 --> 00:57:31,050to be using a system that I'm apart owner of.88600:57:32,100 --> 00:57:35,640Yeah. And you know what, makesure that you one more point88700:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,070about piping in general, is that88800:57:39,210 --> 00:57:43,170it's not just podcasts. This ishow we request YouTube. Yeah,88900:57:43,170 --> 00:57:45,690weather. I mean, however youargue about the incentive89000:57:45,690 --> 00:57:49,650structures of capitalism versussome inflation based token,89100:57:49,650 --> 00:57:54,060which you know, Hive works. Itallows you to distribute the89200:57:54,060 --> 00:57:55,020storage89300:57:56,100 --> 00:58:00,960of all those video streams. Soyou don't have to do 5089400:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,420terabytes a second videostreaming or whatever. I mean,89500:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,210it's probably a lot more thanthat. But some, some some of89600:58:06,210 --> 00:58:09,120those single live streams onYouTube when they get to89700:58:09,180 --> 00:58:14,130100,000. Viewers, it's literally10s of terabytes a second. Yeah,89800:58:14,190 --> 00:58:16,920you can't. I mean, no one cancompete with that. The only way89900:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,050to do it is to separate this adistributed.90000:58:20,340 --> 00:58:22,650Yeah, I mean, that's what myfriends at three speak are90100:58:22,650 --> 00:58:26,280working on, which is a muchbigger project. But it's about90200:58:26,490 --> 00:58:30,840looking at this token omics, youknow, how do we what made90300:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,070Bitcoin much more special thanpeople realize is that it gave90400:58:35,070 --> 00:58:39,210people an incentive to run asystem. And to this day, it's90500:58:39,210 --> 00:58:42,300worth running a miner becauseyou get paid for it, you know,90600:58:42,330 --> 00:58:45,960the amount the return oninvestment, after you've bought90700:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,360the machinery and after you'vepaid for the electricity, you90800:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,130make money. Same with most ofthe applications on hive, you90900:58:53,130 --> 00:58:57,360put in the time and effort, youcan make some money back. Not91000:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,840vast wealth, I don't think but,but and that's what they're91100:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,360trying to do with video storage.You know, there's three91200:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,030components that make videodifficult on the internet,91300:59:06,090 --> 00:59:09,390there's, there's the actualstorage long term, there's the91400:59:09,390 --> 00:59:14,370quick delivery, so CD ends, andthe discovery in the front ends,91500:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,440but they're trying to put inplace proper financial91600:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,950incentives to to havecommunities that can store the91700:59:22,950 --> 00:59:27,570video for you and run up CDN.Now you don't need you don't91800:59:27,570 --> 00:59:32,190need 1000s of CDN nodes, but youneed some and you need some way91900:59:32,190 --> 00:59:36,660to pay them. And it has to be aninternal token system, which is92000:59:36,660 --> 00:59:40,770trustless. And if people storeand deliver video for you, you92100:59:40,770 --> 00:59:41,550should pay them.92200:59:44,010 --> 00:59:46,200Where should I Where can I buy ahive?92300:59:48,150 --> 00:59:50,940Well, pretty soon you'll be ableto buy it from me from92400:59:50,940 --> 00:59:55,620lightning, but I'm doing thereverse high of lightning Rube92500:59:55,620 --> 00:59:58,680Goldberg machine. Yeah. Soyou're you're a money92600:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,970transmitter. Now Brian92701:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,340You are let's not say that I'mraising I'm I'm creating open92801:00:05,340 --> 01:00:08,730source software that will enableanyone to run the service. Yes.92901:00:09,570 --> 01:00:12,300You need to follow that withyour honor. You're93001:00:15,630 --> 01:00:16,890building like a dmg.93101:00:21,030 --> 01:00:23,430traffics in Yeah, crypto do93201:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,220this. And I'll tell you what,before I went through the was it93301:00:29,220 --> 01:00:31,710close? It's actually as a goodtrace. That's what93401:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,650hive has been hive has actuallybeen, I think shunned by the big93501:00:37,650 --> 01:00:41,580boys because it doesn't havethis VC thing. It's like, you93601:00:41,580 --> 01:00:44,010know, what happens is behind thescenes, and I know this, because93701:00:44,010 --> 01:00:46,620I know the volunteer people whoare talking to the exchanges,93801:00:46,860 --> 01:00:49,260the exchanges all want biglisting fees, we're not going to93901:00:49,260 --> 01:00:52,890pay those because we ain't gotno big VC pot to pay, you know,94001:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,990to pay Coinbase whatever they'reasking, Well, Jack Jack Dorsey94101:00:57,990 --> 01:01:01,680made this, he made this point inthat, in that Twitter spaces94201:01:01,680 --> 01:01:08,100things he he spoke to hisdistaste of the VC backing of94301:01:08,100 --> 01:01:11,730web three, and how he's like,you know, hey, you know, web94401:01:11,730 --> 01:01:15,270three is singing the song ofdecentralization. And while that94501:01:15,270 --> 01:01:18,240may or may not be accurate,depending on which blockchain94601:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,500you're talking about, one thingis absolutely certain is that94701:01:22,500 --> 01:01:25,770the VC money that is going intoit is not decentralized, that94801:01:27,060 --> 01:01:30,510that is all in one basket. Imean, there's a couple of94901:01:30,510 --> 01:01:34,380really, two or three really highpowered VCs that are funding a95001:01:34,380 --> 01:01:38,520lot of this stuff. And the whenthe VC money gets in there, your95101:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,650web three claims tend to meet tofall a little bit hollow in it.95201:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,980But this is happeningeverywhere. And I just had an95301:01:46,980 --> 01:01:51,900interesting, I'll just call itweb three, but maybe Gen D, D,95401:01:51,900 --> 01:01:54,630sin generation decentralized.95501:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,620So someone on Twitter pinged meand said, Hey, man, if you're95601:01:58,620 --> 01:02:02,760looking for for some fiber outthere in the hill country, you95701:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,330should check out next stream.And so, you know, someone95801:02:06,330 --> 01:02:08,640contacted me and like, okay,incident, can we come out95901:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,450Friday, so this morning, theycame out the CEO, this is a96001:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,560small local company that have400 miles of dark fiber.96101:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,490They, they have their ownbackhaul straight into all the96201:02:20,490 --> 01:02:22,920exchanges. And then like now,fuck it, there's so many people96301:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,830out here who do not want to beconnected to spectrum, which is96401:02:25,830 --> 01:02:26,760our only choice.96501:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,370And he says, No, we're, we'realmost almost level Co Op.96601:02:34,050 --> 01:02:37,110And so they have no hugeinvestors that they have to have96701:02:37,110 --> 01:02:40,680an exit for. And they just, theyjust want to provide good96801:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,670service without tracking and allkinds of crap to, you know, over96901:02:44,670 --> 01:02:48,780to not a small community hillcountry. And I see this more and97001:02:48,780 --> 01:02:50,850more, we're kind of going backto what it was.97101:02:52,680 --> 01:02:53,010Yeah.97201:02:54,390 --> 01:02:57,390Yeah, I can see, I mean, cuzthat's really where this stuff97301:02:57,960 --> 01:03:03,210is. That's where the web 3.0becomes, what it claims to be,97401:03:03,570 --> 01:03:07,110is when it becomes decentralizedon the money side of it, as well97501:03:07,110 --> 01:03:11,310as the technology side. BecauseI mean, because otherwise, we we97601:03:11,310 --> 01:03:16,620did the tendency is going to beto re centralize I mean that97701:03:16,620 --> 01:03:19,020centralized data, so you can doso do you want to wet three,97801:03:19,020 --> 01:03:24,090come a web three, whatever itmight be Startup Platform, who97901:03:24,090 --> 01:03:27,180is still selling everybody'sdata on the back end. I mean,98001:03:27,180 --> 01:03:30,600like that is out. And and whatBrian is doing, I think is is98101:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,630the future of these types ofdevelopments, as much as it98201:03:33,630 --> 01:03:36,900pains me to say, because hive,but98301:03:38,310 --> 01:03:42,270where when you decentralize themoney, then you in essence,98401:03:42,270 --> 01:03:46,800create an opportunity for a typeof defy where people can invest.98501:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,710So that's where you have the thehigh fund and you know, the Dow98601:03:49,710 --> 01:03:52,230that he's talking about forthose that are no decentralized,98701:03:52,410 --> 01:03:57,420autonomous organization. Andit's all based upon open source98801:03:57,420 --> 01:04:01,530money that is accountable,trackable and programmable, so98901:04:01,530 --> 01:04:04,470that you can have certainly,because you have some kind of99001:04:04,470 --> 01:04:07,440democratic system where peoplevote Okay, Brian of London,99101:04:07,590 --> 01:04:12,960you're going to get X amount offunds to work to get hundreds of99201:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,490votes. Yeah, hundreds of peopleto vote for me. Now. It's stake99301:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,670weighted. So there are some bigwhales who vote and you know99401:04:20,670 --> 01:04:24,420that, that that's how it shouldbe in a democracy. Yes, how it99501:04:24,420 --> 01:04:27,390should be the more money themore votes, screw it exactly.99601:04:28,440 --> 01:04:34,530But, but, but the point,actually, is that some of the99701:04:34,530 --> 01:04:39,180biggest guys who voted for me,they voted last, and they waited99801:04:39,180 --> 01:04:44,160to see the level of interest. SoI, you know, getting 100 votes99901:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,000from people whose vote was worthpoint 00 1% of what I needed.100001:04:48,540 --> 01:04:54,750That is what got me the votes ofthe guy who could vote 20% It100101:04:54,750 --> 01:04:58,350is. It's a very important checkand balance. And what it also100201:04:58,350 --> 01:05:00,000means is that there's no oneperson100301:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,160on high, who can deny me?There's no one big enough to to100401:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,570veto me. You know? And that's,that's the point, you know, I'd100501:05:09,570 --> 01:05:13,410have to piss off a large numberof important people. But it's100601:05:13,410 --> 01:05:15,960not like having a boss, but Ifeel accountable to this100701:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,570community. I have to write postsand what I'm doing, I have to100801:05:18,570 --> 01:05:22,350show them progress. It's muchbetter than having a real job,100901:05:22,350 --> 01:05:28,200but it's still it. I think it'sthe it is it is an alternate101001:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,680future. It's not that the thingis, it's not going to produce101101:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,740the you know, the speed ofprogress of a Facebook that can101201:05:34,740 --> 01:05:38,880just throw, you know, Idisagree. I disagree. I101301:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,850disagree, man, look, look atlook at what we've achieved a101401:05:41,850 --> 01:05:45,570year and a half. And Facebook isstill doing podcasting. Somehow,101501:05:45,570 --> 01:05:49,710someday. You kidding me? No, no,no, no, no. And of course, it101601:05:49,710 --> 01:05:52,830helps that Brian married inArabian princess with her own101701:05:52,830 --> 01:05:53,460dowry.101801:05:55,980 --> 01:05:57,090I really didn't.101901:05:59,100 --> 01:06:02,490Know, please. All right. Let mebring it back to the technology,102001:06:03,000 --> 01:06:09,480the party pooper. The. So why amI getting beam API errors? What102101:06:09,480 --> 01:06:09,870is that?102201:06:11,910 --> 01:06:15,390Because I haven't turned off thewarning level and the Python.102301:06:15,390 --> 01:06:17,550I'll do that. And then justhide. I thought you did that.102401:06:17,610 --> 01:06:21,630No, I downloaded Yeah, I hadthat. I did I need to check. I102501:06:21,630 --> 01:06:24,570need to switch into a different.There's there's different Python102601:06:24,570 --> 01:06:27,810libraries, and we'll get intobut they're just they're102701:06:27,810 --> 01:06:30,570nonsense warning was really andthen you know, the thing is,102801:06:30,630 --> 01:06:33,540you're dealing here with API'sand the back end, just the ping102901:06:33,540 --> 01:06:36,900pong ball isn't hitting thespoon, right, Dave? Yes.103001:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,450You know, even Facebook wentdown. Remember that? Oh, no,103101:06:42,450 --> 01:06:47,400please. Yeah, no, no, you get nopass for that? No, but but the103201:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,620point here is that I think thatthere are probably 30 to 40103301:06:53,070 --> 01:06:56,190significant individuals involvedin running the API103401:06:56,190 --> 01:07:00,660infrastructure of high. And itis not a simple thing. It is103501:07:00,660 --> 01:07:04,980really not a simple thing. Andthe fact that they and they're103601:07:04,980 --> 01:07:07,560all running different versionsof the software that they're on103701:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,070different. They're in differentcloud servers all over the103801:07:11,070 --> 01:07:13,530place. Some of them are in that,you know, my friend runs a103901:07:13,530 --> 01:07:17,490witness node in his apartment inTel Aviv, and a backup in his104001:07:17,490 --> 01:07:23,130office across the street. Thisis it is peace Robinson. But104101:07:23,130 --> 01:07:25,890because it's his Robertson, youcan't go shut it down, because104201:07:25,890 --> 01:07:28,260you can't walk into a servicecenter and pull the plug104301:07:28,260 --> 01:07:32,280somewhere. Well, and the reasonI brought it up was because104401:07:33,870 --> 01:07:36,390what when I was trying totroubleshoot that this morning,104501:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,820Alex made the point as Irestarted the service, restarted104601:07:41,820 --> 01:07:47,220the hive watcher. And he noticedthat what I can't, I said, I104701:07:47,220 --> 01:07:50,490don't think I was getting hiveupdates. And I'm still, I'm104801:07:50,490 --> 01:07:53,970actually not clear if I was ornot, because the the logging104901:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,200that that that logging wascovering so much of the screen105001:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,700that I couldn't tell if anythingelse was coming through. I think105101:08:02,700 --> 01:08:05,520I was actually getting stillupdates. But I was coming in and105201:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,790obscure the standard error wasobscuring standard out, I think,105301:08:08,790 --> 01:08:11,700is what was happening. But I'mnot sure about that yet. I get105401:08:11,700 --> 01:08:14,850it. But then when I restartedthe service, yeah, yeah. And105501:08:14,850 --> 01:08:17,820Alex made the point, he said,and you didn't miss any updates,105601:08:18,570 --> 01:08:21,960which is because it goes it goesback and picks it all right,105701:08:22,470 --> 01:08:24,540then that's what people need tounderstand when you're watching105801:08:24,540 --> 01:08:28,470pod paying member is permanent.So if you're, if your system105901:08:28,470 --> 01:08:33,510goes down, like or begins to airout, or something like that, and106001:08:33,510 --> 01:08:35,790you have to reboot, or you haveto make a configuration change,106101:08:35,790 --> 01:08:39,570or you need to do somethingdifferent. You just restart it,106201:08:40,170 --> 01:08:43,740and it searches back an hour,and picks up where it left off.106301:08:43,740 --> 01:08:47,040And you get all the stuff thatyou missed. I mean, it's that's106401:08:48,180 --> 01:08:51,660one of the most beautiful partsof the system. Can we switch106501:08:51,660 --> 01:08:56,790gears to activity pub cross appcomments? Yes, I want to hear106601:08:56,790 --> 01:09:03,210what Alex has, he has to sayabout where you think this? What106701:09:03,210 --> 01:09:07,590do you think? What do you thinkis going on? That we need to be106801:09:07,590 --> 01:09:10,830careful of or switch gears orliming? Give me your thoughts,106901:09:10,830 --> 01:09:11,250Alex.107001:09:14,370 --> 01:09:17,910So back when we first startedtalking about this middle last107101:09:17,910 --> 01:09:20,910year, some time when, you know,it was kind of hot and heavy107201:09:20,910 --> 01:09:21,780that died off.107301:09:22,890 --> 01:09:26,490We had some proposals and somedeveloper meetings. The Martin107401:09:26,490 --> 01:09:31,590and Paul friend was upset thatby default, you couldn't comment107501:09:31,590 --> 01:09:35,700on every podcast, which was theunderstandably confusing user107601:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,690experience for an end user. AndI had come up with107701:09:41,280 --> 01:09:42,960possibilities to work aroundthat107801:09:44,580 --> 01:09:49,620by basically providing a defaultcomment for every podcast, you107901:09:49,620 --> 01:09:53,100know, at the time I was thinkingit was be the podcast index or108001:09:53,100 --> 01:09:55,350we know whatever doesn't reallymatter who108101:09:57,090 --> 01:09:59,010and I had come up with a way to108201:10:00,659 --> 01:10:03,839Call back, like, you know,provide, you know, you know, the108301:10:03,839 --> 01:10:06,419way you do with podcaster walletwhere you would provide a108401:10:06,419 --> 01:10:10,829default, you provide a defaultlightning address and that RSS108501:10:10,829 --> 01:10:13,019feed has their own, then you,you know, you choose theirs.108601:10:14,009 --> 01:10:17,549Right, we could have a way toprovide a default comment, you108701:10:17,549 --> 01:10:21,239know, through some servicethrough an API and then call108801:10:21,239 --> 01:10:23,369back to an original commentwhile retaining some of the108901:10:23,369 --> 01:10:25,109original posts109001:10:27,300 --> 01:10:30,420that was shut down at the time.I don't really know why.109101:10:32,730 --> 01:10:34,470You know, people's opinionschange.109201:10:37,620 --> 01:10:38,190I,109301:10:40,050 --> 01:10:43,920it feels like, this is turninginto a nice, you know, having109401:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,640default comments on some, youknow, intention is not109501:10:47,700 --> 01:10:51,300decentralized service, you know,podcast indexical so far with a109601:10:51,300 --> 01:10:53,640centralized service, but youknow, you don't have to use it.109701:10:54,660 --> 01:10:56,130It's not the same as comments.109801:10:58,020 --> 01:11:02,730I could see inviting a lot ofpotential for people being109901:11:02,730 --> 01:11:04,860upset. And110001:11:06,660 --> 01:11:10,380not a bad thing. But I feel likeI feel like the the alternative110101:11:10,380 --> 01:11:13,620way to do that would just speedup provided period count110201:11:13,620 --> 01:11:18,420service. Wait, could you breakthat down or abstracted a little110301:11:18,420 --> 01:11:21,300bit more from me, Alex on tounderstand what exactly might110401:11:21,300 --> 01:11:24,300happen that might get peopleupset? That's, that's the only110501:11:24,300 --> 01:11:25,230thing I can understand.110601:11:26,430 --> 01:11:26,970Um,110701:11:28,020 --> 01:11:29,760well, I mean, if we startinviting comments on every110801:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,580single podcast, you know, peoplehave no idea about podcasting.110901:11:32,700 --> 01:11:37,050No, there's some comment aboutthem. That didn't sign up for111001:11:37,050 --> 01:11:40,650comments. I see mean, peopleputting a comment and then they111101:11:40,650 --> 01:11:42,870like shit, I don't want mycomment there. And I want to111201:11:42,870 --> 01:11:45,960take it off. And it's there forgood. No, I think I think about111301:11:45,960 --> 01:11:46,710the podcast or,111401:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,490you know, some some randompodcaster has no idea about111501:11:50,490 --> 01:11:53,970podcasting, or something.Somebody uses podcast to run our111601:11:53,970 --> 01:11:55,260app to comment about them.111701:11:58,950 --> 01:12:01,740They want to know how to get ridof it. How is it any different111801:12:01,740 --> 01:12:05,490from Apple comments or reviewsor whatever?111901:12:06,570 --> 01:12:10,830It's not right. People. brownnose, Apple.112001:12:12,660 --> 01:12:15,960Thank you, I think. Well, Ithink, though, that that's a112101:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,650good point, though. We say How'sit different? I think there's112201:12:19,650 --> 01:12:25,080two sides to that. The the mostobvious side is it's the most112301:12:25,080 --> 01:12:29,670obvious answers is not. Butthere's also another part, it112401:12:29,670 --> 01:12:34,380also should be different. Like,so I think both of those things112501:12:34,380 --> 01:12:38,220can be true at the same time.You know, it's not necessarily112601:12:38,220 --> 01:12:41,220different. But actually whatwe're building should be better.112701:12:41,340 --> 01:12:44,640And it should be different. Butokay, but if we're concerned,112801:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,130okay, just so I understand theactual issue.112901:12:48,450 --> 01:12:53,760So the issue is, I didn't wantcomments on my podcast. Thank113001:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,720you very much. And now here'sthese 10 apps that have these113101:12:57,750 --> 01:13:01,380comments that I don't like thatI can't get rid of, is that what113201:13:01,380 --> 01:13:04,680the problem is? perceivedproblem? I mean, people complain113301:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,350about this today with, you know,centralized services. I don't113401:13:07,350 --> 01:13:11,010know why the arguments aredifferent from those. I'm just113501:13:11,010 --> 01:13:15,330I'm just asking that. That'sthe, that's the warning is that113601:13:15,330 --> 01:13:19,170could piss people off. That'sthe danger. Okay. So which,113701:13:19,710 --> 01:13:26,100which means that there's, Imean, the only way to do to do113801:13:26,100 --> 01:13:29,160that, I guess, would be to havesome kind of113901:13:30,300 --> 01:13:32,400extra tag that says No comment.114001:13:34,440 --> 01:13:37,290Let's see, what we're talkingabout backing up for a second is114101:13:37,320 --> 01:13:44,760so Spurlock John's burlock. Diddid a version of what Alex114201:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,300proposed last year, which was hejust spun up. And I mean,114301:13:48,300 --> 01:13:51,510literally last night just spunup a new service, the mini pub,114401:13:51,510 --> 01:13:55,500is that what that is? No, thisis podcast. social.org. Oh, is114501:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,040this this is essentially aheadless mastodon. And it's a114601:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,980beautiful system. And the way hedid it was B looks like he's he114701:14:01,980 --> 01:14:05,760did this the right way. It's aheadless Mastodon type system,114801:14:06,060 --> 01:14:10,230where, you know, it's got an APIin front of it, where I can call114901:14:10,380 --> 01:14:15,750the API, if I have, if I havekeys, I can call the API in for115001:14:15,750 --> 01:14:21,090a podcast, spin up a route postcomment that I can then get back115101:14:21,090 --> 01:14:22,230and put into115201:14:23,940 --> 01:14:28,140for the app. So for apps to knowabout so I can call out and say115301:14:28,140 --> 01:14:32,190here, I want to route post. Andthen I put that in the feed. And115401:14:32,190 --> 01:14:35,490then everybody picks up thatsocial interact tag and sees the115501:14:35,490 --> 01:14:37,800route post and then otheractivity post servers can115601:14:37,800 --> 01:14:45,090comment on it. Now that that, inturn gets seen by all the apps,115701:14:45,390 --> 01:14:49,950and then they can display thecomments. I think Alex is saying115801:14:49,950 --> 01:14:52,380that the danger there is that115901:14:53,610 --> 01:14:57,210all of a sudden now you haveapps, you have comments showing116001:14:57,210 --> 01:14:59,970up in apps, that the podcastermay not116101:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,480want that to be a function? Now,the, your, your comment about is116201:15:06,480 --> 01:15:11,160that different from Apple is iscorrect. It's not different from116301:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,950Apple. And to make that point,it's not different from Apple or116401:15:13,950 --> 01:15:17,700good pods, or pod chaser or anyof these other services, they116501:15:17,700 --> 01:15:22,110all do that and you as apodcaster cannot control what116601:15:22,350 --> 01:15:26,160you get as a podcaster cannotcontrol with the fact that some116701:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,890platform spins up and allowspeople comment on your podcast,116801:15:28,890 --> 01:15:32,640and you just gonna have to letthat go. You can't do that. But116901:15:33,450 --> 01:15:37,890I think in time, I think beforethis is all said and done,117001:15:37,890 --> 01:15:42,420though, my feeling is a lie. Ilike the breaking the chicken in117101:15:42,420 --> 01:15:45,450the egg that this represents.And I think that's why Alex117201:15:45,450 --> 01:15:48,060initially had that doll lastyear is because you got to117301:15:48,060 --> 01:15:51,210figure out some way to break thechicken egg problem with with a117401:15:51,210 --> 01:15:55,710protocol like with an issue likethis. But before it's all said117501:15:55,710 --> 01:16:02,280and done. And before, we have tofigure out some sort of way to117601:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,870make that problem better thanwhat exists now.117701:16:08,100 --> 01:16:11,850Whether it's a no comment tag orwhatever, we there does need to117801:16:11,850 --> 01:16:15,360be a way to make this thingfixable. This is a beautiful117901:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,300graphic representation of whatwhat's going on on podcast118001:16:21,300 --> 01:16:23,370social.org This is really nice.118101:16:24,540 --> 01:16:28,500Yeah, it's done a good job here.I mean, I guess index is social.118201:16:28,980 --> 01:16:35,100No podcast. social.org. Doesthis. Yeah. That's that's for118301:16:35,100 --> 01:16:37,770lots Hello, running withscissors. It's what we do. Of118401:16:37,770 --> 01:16:39,210course, it's confusing, but118501:16:41,130 --> 01:16:46,860Alright, so now in this case,the podcaster would publish the118601:16:46,860 --> 01:16:50,130root post using this systemusing this kind of headless118701:16:50,190 --> 01:16:56,550Mastodon shim. Right. That's,that's the intended use. Now, if118801:16:57,510 --> 01:17:01,260I have a, I have an API key andSpurlock sent me one last night.118901:17:01,830 --> 01:17:05,490I could technically spin up aroot root post for any podcast,119001:17:05,490 --> 01:17:06,450I want it right.119101:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,710So that's the therein lies theproblem is got it.119201:17:12,660 --> 01:17:13,740Yeah, right. Yeah.119301:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,280So to be clear, I'm perfectlyfine with the delegate service119401:17:20,280 --> 01:17:24,210for a podcast with us. Right. Infact, I think he should make119501:17:24,210 --> 01:17:28,170them pay for it. Yeah. That'd bea great service. Doing it by119601:17:28,170 --> 01:17:29,700default. And maybe119701:17:30,870 --> 01:17:35,910you misunderstood some what somepeople said. I, I think the119801:17:35,910 --> 01:17:40,380sheer hypocrisy of complainingabout comments or reviews on119901:17:40,410 --> 01:17:44,130closed stores, closedecosystems, but wanting to hear120001:17:44,130 --> 01:17:46,350is just insane.120101:17:48,090 --> 01:17:52,470Well, that if the I think theidea of having it be a paid120201:17:52,470 --> 01:17:56,340service is absolutely 100%.Legit, I hope I hope that he120301:17:56,340 --> 01:18:00,000does make it a paid service.Because that even more reduces120401:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,010the, the potential forshenanigans. Right? But but you120501:18:05,010 --> 01:18:08,880still have to put the the rootpost into the feed. Am I120601:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,800not correct? Yeah. So so the waythis is is like, okay, so what I120701:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,960do is I take120801:18:16,980 --> 01:18:20,850you know, take a photo and put amake a comment, thread, post a120901:18:20,850 --> 01:18:24,150route post is what I've beendoing to Yeah. And I take that121001:18:24,150 --> 01:18:28,500and I give it to you, or you seeme, you take your URL, paste it121101:18:28,500 --> 01:18:31,800into the feed? Well, that'sbecause I have a mastodon121201:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,010account. I know I understand. Soso you should definitely be121301:18:35,010 --> 01:18:39,600paying for, for using that orset up your own Macedon account,121401:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,140whatever.121501:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,240So this seems like a prettybecause I guess the bottom line121601:18:45,240 --> 01:18:51,630is, there's no danger if youdon't want these comments, it to121701:18:51,630 --> 01:18:55,440appear in the apps then don'tput a root post in your feed is121801:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,330that isn't doesn't that solveeverything?121901:18:58,530 --> 01:19:04,890It does is as long as you don'thave D 5000. Yes, default? Yes.122001:19:04,950 --> 01:19:09,000Yes. As long as it's not okay.So Alright, so now I remember122101:19:09,000 --> 01:19:14,070the the original conversation.And that was it. Right? I think122201:19:14,070 --> 01:19:16,560it was Martin who said well, Idon't want to have an app that122301:19:16,560 --> 01:19:23,430only has the capability tocomment if the podcaster has has122401:19:23,460 --> 01:19:27,150enabled that he says and he'slooking at it from the pod122501:19:27,150 --> 01:19:31,440friend friendly app, whereeverything's obvious and so for122601:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,960him it was not obvious for122701:19:35,010 --> 01:19:38,250for you be able to comment on onone show, but not on the other122801:19:38,250 --> 01:19:41,520because they're not 2.0 orwhatever. So he's looking at it122901:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,950from a customer standpoint,123001:19:45,030 --> 01:19:48,420from what he wants to deliver,which I personally think is the123101:19:48,420 --> 01:19:49,560wrong way to look at it.123201:19:50,580 --> 01:19:54,240I mean, that then you might aswell put in a fake value block123301:19:54,240 --> 01:19:54,960for everybody.123401:19:56,490 --> 01:19:59,970Now or or chapters or whateveror did the then you know what123501:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,390I have a transcript for noagenda, but I don't have it for123601:20:03,420 --> 01:20:04,470DHS unplugged.123701:20:05,970 --> 01:20:09,270Yeah, there's a, I feel likethis is123801:20:10,469 --> 01:20:14,729this is sort of where thing,this is where we already, we123901:20:14,729 --> 01:20:16,859always knew this, we knew thisfrom the very beginning that124001:20:16,859 --> 01:20:18,629comments was going to be thehardest thing.124101:20:19,860 --> 01:20:22,980And it's not is hard, not justfor technical reasons, but also124201:20:22,980 --> 01:20:26,940for political reasons, andsocial reasons. And all those124301:20:26,940 --> 01:20:29,520things, because socialnetworking and commenting is124401:20:29,520 --> 01:20:36,840hard by itself. So this, I thinkthere's multiple problems that124501:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,070are being that that have to beaddressed. I think John, is124601:20:41,070 --> 01:20:45,390addressing one of those issues,but just, you know, rolling the124701:20:45,390 --> 01:20:48,390sleeves up and building aservice that works like this.124801:20:48,390 --> 01:20:51,180And he's, he's solving the issueof,124901:20:52,290 --> 01:20:55,410there's a chicken and eggproblem, we got to get some, we125001:20:55,410 --> 01:20:59,190got to get that broken somehow.And also,125101:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,240people need to see things125201:21:04,470 --> 01:21:09,030they don't, most normal peopledon't think in terms of125301:21:09,030 --> 01:21:12,360protocols and white papers andspecs, most people think in125401:21:12,360 --> 01:21:17,760terms of shiny things. And sohaving a website that, that125501:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,910looks having a website, thislooks good, explains everything,125601:21:20,910 --> 01:21:23,190and then also has an APIattached like this sort of125701:21:23,190 --> 01:21:28,200canned, nice system that you canuse as a stop gap. I think he125801:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,440saw that as just, you know,let's just this this is a way to125901:21:31,440 --> 01:21:35,340move this thing forward and getsome traction here. Then, in the126001:21:35,340 --> 01:21:38,010future, you know, this becomes apaid service, or however that126101:21:38,010 --> 01:21:41,490worked. And then everybody elsesees that it works and can run126201:21:41,490 --> 01:21:45,090their own systems on the each ontheir hosting providers. And I126301:21:45,090 --> 01:21:48,840do, I'll say that, you know,channeling my inner talk Cochran126401:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,860yet again, I will say I know ofat least one host that is126501:21:52,860 --> 01:21:57,150seriously, you know, lookinginto cross app comments, because126601:21:58,140 --> 01:21:59,670cross comments126701:22:01,530 --> 01:22:04,080can be a way to really,126801:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,360to really make make a visualimpact on the podcasting126901:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,080experience. Tell us I know, Iknow, people are looking at this127001:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,780and to and taking note of theway thing of the way this stuff127101:22:15,780 --> 01:22:19,200works. And so having somethingvisual out there, I think will127201:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,460help to let everybody becausesome some, you know, some127301:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,370hosting companies are veryvisionary. They look forward to127401:22:26,370 --> 01:22:29,550things, other hosting companies,they just need to be sort of,127501:22:29,820 --> 01:22:32,370you know, beaten over the headwith it and say, Hey, so now127601:22:32,370 --> 01:22:36,570here's here's the reverse issue.I'm just thinking through. Now,127701:22:36,570 --> 01:22:44,130for a podcast app, in order tocomment, you need to have the127801:22:44,130 --> 01:22:48,690user needs to have access to anactivity pub account.127901:22:50,490 --> 01:22:53,130That's what so that's what JohnSpurlock is solving with any128001:22:53,130 --> 01:22:56,520pub, which is great. That's whata podcast app can use to they128101:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,830can they can integrate thatright into the code. You mean.128201:22:59,610 --> 01:23:01,830Right? There's still do theirown account system and so forth.128301:23:01,950 --> 01:23:03,390Right. Yeah. Right. Right.128401:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,100And so that's something that thepodcast app developer runs128501:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,930centrally on their server.128601:23:11,730 --> 01:23:14,130Or is it something that thatgoes right into the code for the128701:23:14,130 --> 01:23:17,310app itself? I think he's gotthey can run running Cloudflare128801:23:17,310 --> 01:23:20,010serverless. But yeah, it's stilltheir service.128901:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,970Okay, well, I think we've solvedit, when do we start building129001:23:25,740 --> 01:23:30,960it? So my question my questionto you as when thinking about129101:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,050this last night, it I kind ofhad a hard time sleeping because129201:23:34,050 --> 01:23:37,530Birla released this right, youknow, got it like nine o'clock.129301:23:38,220 --> 01:23:41,880And I was trying to figure outwhat my thoughts were on us129401:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,770texting you and stuff. What?129501:23:45,510 --> 01:23:47,130How can129601:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,720can comments when things arecommented on?129701:23:52,920 --> 01:23:57,690Couldn't that be on a pod? Onpod ping as well? Did there's129801:23:57,690 --> 01:23:58,830been a new comment129901:24:00,750 --> 01:24:02,880at some point in the future,like, like somebody has130001:24:02,880 --> 01:24:09,450commented, or so review livequiet here. Because you miss and130101:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,090let me be clear, Brian, this isnot I'm not talking about130201:24:12,090 --> 01:24:14,790putting my comments themselveson hive and talking about them.130301:24:14,790 --> 01:24:19,080Notice, I'm also I'm also not aswell, because even with three130401:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,980speakers stuff, when we'relooking, you know, one of the130501:24:22,980 --> 01:24:26,760big guys bind freespeak, theycall me down his name. He keeps130601:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,950saying, you know, we're gonnalook back in 10 years time, and130701:24:28,950 --> 01:24:31,680we're going to look at LOL, andwe're going to be telling our130801:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,520kids that was the days when wecould still post lol on hive,130901:24:35,520 --> 01:24:40,290and it didn't cost a fortune.But it so I don't think carrying131001:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,040vast quantities of ephemeralcomment traffic is the future131101:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,480for hive. But131201:24:46,830 --> 01:24:49,200I keep coming back, you know,it's like it's always I'm always131301:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,140looking, who's running theservice and who's incentivized131401:24:52,140 --> 01:24:56,130to run the service. So as longas there is a service that a131501:24:56,130 --> 01:25:00,000podcaster or someone has to payfor, to make sure that131601:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,530It's gonna be there. You know,I'm okay with that. As to as to131701:25:04,530 --> 01:25:08,280announcing all the comments onpod ping. That's the same as131801:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,920storing them to be brutallyhonest. I mean, most comments131901:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,280are not much longer than thelink to them. So,132001:25:15,839 --> 01:25:18,179you know, if we were going toannounce them, we could just132101:25:18,179 --> 01:25:21,539post them on that? Well, there'stwo parts of this question.132201:25:24,270 --> 01:25:28,680So by default, activity streams,which is what activity pub uses,132301:25:29,790 --> 01:25:32,430is the mechanism that sort of isgetting noticed get notified132401:25:32,430 --> 01:25:33,270into comments.132501:25:34,830 --> 01:25:38,490That's already built into thesystem when someone posts on no132601:25:38,490 --> 01:25:42,720agenda social, that the serversends an update to my guest. And132701:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,510if that social, if you'refollowing them already,132801:25:46,950 --> 01:25:50,940the mechanisms of how that worksand everything gets cached and132901:25:50,940 --> 01:25:53,670so forth is a lot morecomplicated. But133001:25:55,200 --> 01:25:59,340theoretically, no, we don't needthat. But that's redundant us.133101:26:00,330 --> 01:26:02,400Yeah. And it's not a perfectsystem, either, you know,133201:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,740different servers workdifferently. So it could133301:26:04,740 --> 01:26:09,480probably be improved. However,that does bring up the the topic133401:26:09,480 --> 01:26:16,770of how do you notify an app or aserver user, the external133501:26:16,770 --> 01:26:18,900content has been updated in thefeed.133601:26:20,790 --> 01:26:22,950It applies to images and soforth.133701:26:24,990 --> 01:26:26,250Right, exactly.133801:26:27,810 --> 01:26:30,990And we want to avoid thatthat's, that's the hardest133901:26:30,990 --> 01:26:34,020problem we haven't popping rightnow. Because we only have so134001:26:34,020 --> 01:26:34,380much134101:26:35,730 --> 01:26:41,790available bandwidth, so to say,to send updates, and I'm trying134201:26:41,790 --> 01:26:44,580to think about how to do thatefficiently without DDoS and134301:26:44,580 --> 01:26:45,150servers.134401:26:47,100 --> 01:26:49,380And that could be applied tocomments, too. So.134501:26:50,760 --> 01:26:54,690Okay, now's a good discussion,because that yeah, I can see the134601:26:54,690 --> 01:26:56,940issues there. That has to betread that that's ground that134701:26:56,940 --> 01:26:59,160has to be tread carefully. Yep.134801:27:00,270 --> 01:27:04,890Shall we? thank a few people,Dave? Oh, yes, sure. Yeah. And I134901:27:04,890 --> 01:27:08,520want to remind everybody, thisis a value for value podcast,135001:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,150the whole podcast index projectis value for value.135101:27:13,230 --> 01:27:16,830Interesting thread this morning,although I, I typically despise135201:27:16,860 --> 01:27:20,640people saying, you know, whatdoes it cost you to run this.135301:27:23,370 --> 01:27:26,880But there was an interestingpost, I guess, Marco talked135401:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,990about his server infrastructurein the context of Linode, being135501:27:30,990 --> 01:27:36,420purchased by Akamai, and that hespends about $5,000 a month. So135601:27:36,420 --> 01:27:40,560I just want everyone to realizethat's, that that may be what135701:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,340Marco pays, but I'm just lookingat the pure value. You know,135801:27:44,340 --> 01:27:49,470there's, there's 15 apps runningoff podcast index.org. And135901:27:49,500 --> 01:27:52,470that's the type of value itwould take for those apps136001:27:52,470 --> 01:27:55,260individually, to run aprofessional system, let's just136101:27:55,260 --> 01:27:57,750say that's, that's the mark inthe sand, it's not true.136201:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,340But the the value that thisproject brings, and that we need136301:28:02,340 --> 01:28:03,240to continue136401:28:04,470 --> 01:28:08,460to compensate, we'll just we'llonly go up, we're keep working,136501:28:08,460 --> 01:28:11,640we're keeping it as lean aspossible. And until we have a136601:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,300lot more value for valueflowing, certainly with the with136701:28:15,300 --> 01:28:17,820the streaming sets, we're goingto need help, we're gonna need136801:28:17,820 --> 01:28:20,970help all the help we can get we,you know, we do need a little136901:28:20,970 --> 01:28:25,140bit of a war chest here. Andit's an IT RIGHT NOW also137001:28:25,140 --> 01:28:28,380liquidity wise on the node, weonly have a couple million SATs137101:28:28,380 --> 01:28:29,610left to open channels.137201:28:30,630 --> 01:28:33,900That's what I was actuallytalking to you about that Alex137301:28:33,900 --> 01:28:36,150the other night, or the otherday, it was we're talking about137401:28:36,300 --> 01:28:39,210liquidity and lightly liquidityand stuff. And that, you know, I137501:28:39,210 --> 01:28:41,550had mentioned to you that we'relike one of the things that137601:28:41,850 --> 01:28:44,820podcast index tries to do on ournode, that's why we don't ever137701:28:44,820 --> 01:28:47,850take any money out of the out ofpodcast index out of the137801:28:48,150 --> 01:28:52,800company, is because the, themoney has to stay in there in137901:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,430order to weather the storm oflet's just say we get six months138001:28:56,430 --> 01:28:59,790with terrible donations, and wegotta have a big war chest in138101:28:59,790 --> 01:29:02,640order to survive that, but alsoon the podcast and on the138201:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,390lightning nodes. We gotta, wegotta leave all those stats on138301:29:06,390 --> 01:29:09,990the server. So that those thatthose channels can be opened138401:29:09,990 --> 01:29:12,780when people come in all thetime, and we open channels to138501:29:13,080 --> 01:29:17,550have 140 channels now. Yeah, andeach channel is because you138601:29:17,550 --> 01:29:19,680know, you have to be able tomanage these channels. So for138701:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,890us, there's there is kind oflike a lower limit. So we have138801:29:22,890 --> 01:29:28,080to be at least 300,000 SATs.That's 150 bucks, we tie up for138901:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,050someone who just bought afucking Umbral node. So I'm just139001:29:31,050 --> 01:29:35,760saying okay, just saying thishas been this has been my you139101:29:35,760 --> 01:29:40,050know, I I've come to love someaspects of lightning, especially139201:29:40,050 --> 01:29:42,960the wallets, the lightweightwallets on phones, for that is139301:29:42,960 --> 01:29:48,870fantastic. But on the backendside, the stupid habit expecting139401:29:48,870 --> 01:29:51,150that this is going to be superdistributed and millions of139501:29:51,150 --> 01:29:54,180people are going to run nodes isridiculous. I mean, I see what139601:29:54,180 --> 01:29:58,110it takes to run a node properly.That's changing. Brian, I'm139701:29:58,110 --> 01:29:59,970going to stop you before you itis you139801:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,730embarrass yourself that'schanging very rapidly.139901:30:04,440 --> 01:30:08,220There's fast to come very, veryrapidly, six months, they mean,140001:30:08,220 --> 01:30:11,160it's happening very quickly,there's all kinds of140101:30:11,250 --> 01:30:12,630noncustodial140201:30:13,950 --> 01:30:17,220systems being built right now,that will,140301:30:18,960 --> 01:30:24,000that will make this problem goaway, at least and you know,140401:30:24,090 --> 01:30:27,870people will have to pay. So youstill have to pay for your140501:30:27,870 --> 01:30:32,460liquidity. And you just won'thave to manage that. That's Yes.140601:30:32,520 --> 01:30:37,440If we if one could my complaintis and let me let me let me call140701:30:37,440 --> 01:30:41,280Manila doing the routing. Let melet me call me let me system let140801:30:41,280 --> 01:30:41,910me qualify140901:30:43,140 --> 01:30:46,650you won't have to put theliquidity in but you will still141001:30:46,650 --> 01:30:49,980have to pay for liquidity thatyou're you have to pay for141101:30:49,980 --> 01:30:54,150liquidity one way or the other.Now, it could be you know, one141201:30:54,150 --> 01:30:58,950penny a month or or a point onyour transactions, you're gonna141301:30:58,950 --> 01:31:02,400have to pay for it somehow. AndI understand that, you know,141401:31:02,790 --> 01:31:03,240it's141501:31:05,100 --> 01:31:05,940you don't like it?141601:31:07,920 --> 01:31:11,670Like it's not that I don't likeit is that I want to look out141701:31:11,670 --> 01:31:15,240there and understand that thenetwork is sustainable without141801:31:15,270 --> 01:31:19,440it being captured by a smallnumber of venture capital things141901:31:19,470 --> 01:31:22,470but that's not it there's noevidence there's no evidence of142001:31:22,470 --> 01:31:25,680that happening and there'sthere's several I hate heavily142101:31:25,680 --> 01:31:30,210venture capital funded.Lightning labs itself is heavily142201:31:30,510 --> 01:31:35,430venture funded. I know I wouldsay happy we route as many142301:31:35,430 --> 01:31:39,060payments as anybody else on theentire net worth more we don't142401:31:39,060 --> 01:31:42,780make mine we're not it. What doyou mean? Yes, we do. Our142501:31:42,780 --> 01:31:45,960balance goes up all the time.You're talking about your your,142601:31:46,350 --> 01:31:48,060your investment?142701:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,760Can Can someone make 6% a yearon the on the on a balance of142801:31:53,760 --> 01:31:54,750Bitcoin? Oh, no.142901:31:55,770 --> 01:32:01,290No. 6% Were you getting outblock fi in crypto.com? So the143001:32:01,290 --> 01:32:04,800point is, hold on, hold on, holdon, Dana bull is that for Tomba143101:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,950sustained Hold on a second,don't get me started. That's all143201:32:07,950 --> 01:32:11,490shit coins. That's all tethertype stuff that is in fact143301:32:11,490 --> 01:32:14,670inflationary to the entireeconomy and weigh against that143401:32:14,670 --> 01:32:17,460shit. You're not keeping yourBitcoin when you're doing that.143501:32:17,520 --> 01:32:22,680And worse, those very companiesthat are giving you six 810 12%143601:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,920You have to have their shitcoin, you have to have at least143701:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,280one other stable coin. And youdon't own your Bitcoin and there143801:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,990you helping people short Bitcoinwith it. I just say all of that.143901:32:34,380 --> 01:32:38,940I just, I'm just nervous aboutit comes back to what Moxie144001:32:38,940 --> 01:32:41,790Marlinspike wrote in his blogpost a few weeks ago, and he was144101:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,420hammering away at NF T's which Iagree with the guy who sold out144201:32:45,420 --> 01:32:50,940his company to a shit coin. Yes,but the point is, the point is144301:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,360not people just can't runservers, the vast majority of144401:32:54,390 --> 01:32:57,660commerce, they won't have tothat that's yeah, that's that's144501:32:57,660 --> 01:33:03,120really nd now, just as anexample, Brees is noncustodial.144601:33:03,150 --> 01:33:08,070The breeze app is your own node.Now. There's significant issues144701:33:08,070 --> 01:33:12,660with mobile, for PC, I know forkey send, but that's about it.144801:33:12,660 --> 01:33:15,960And this is being solved isgoing to be solved as the you're144901:33:15,960 --> 01:33:20,190going to see. In the next sixmonths, you're going to see a145001:33:20,190 --> 01:33:24,810huge shift in in the in thenecessity for note.145101:33:27,030 --> 01:33:30,990The the the liquidityrequirements. I like that145201:33:30,990 --> 01:33:34,020because not only custodial, butyou still depend on them for for145301:33:34,020 --> 01:33:37,380the channels, right. But yeah,what's going down the other day145401:33:37,380 --> 01:33:42,450for for a few hours and peoplewere screaming and breeze. Yeah,145501:33:42,480 --> 01:33:46,320you know, they had a completeBobby but but that's and this is145601:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,960saying my note goes downwhenever I upgraded it takes 10145701:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,840minutes, and I need to move itoff this up this raspberry pi145801:33:51,870 --> 01:33:54,300because I realized now thatthat's way, way, way too145901:33:54,300 --> 01:33:58,050underpowered for what'shappening on my node. But but146001:33:58,050 --> 01:34:01,590these are all these are allthings that I I'm not, I'm not146101:34:01,590 --> 01:34:06,330an unfair of the system. I'mjust looking and I'm hoping that146201:34:06,330 --> 01:34:10,050it's sustainable without itbeing captured by big146301:34:10,050 --> 01:34:13,080centralized venture capital.Right? I'm just just telling146401:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,130you, there's the venturecapitalists are there, the huge146501:34:17,130 --> 01:34:21,300wambo private channels, they'reall there. We have built our own146601:34:21,300 --> 01:34:24,000little micro network rightoutside of all of that and it146701:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,170works perfectly well.146801:34:26,190 --> 01:34:30,330Good. It really does. Now, wedon't make a lot of money.146901:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,930routing the payments, we make 1%off of147001:34:34,950 --> 01:34:38,160off of off of the transaction,which we're hoping will be147101:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,250enough moving forward. Buteverybody like you know, Alex,147201:34:41,250 --> 01:34:43,500you're looking at your yoursystem, you're going to charge147301:34:43,500 --> 01:34:47,040people 20% So this is how itwill work.147401:34:48,210 --> 01:34:52,110And it will work. But no one canI mean it was built by venture147501:34:52,110 --> 01:34:54,930capital. Let's just be honestabout it. Lightning Labs is a147601:34:54,930 --> 01:34:59,730100% venture funded company.Jack Dorsey is all his own but147701:34:59,730 --> 01:35:00,000you know all147801:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,700other other people learned aswell. And there's there's147901:35:02,700 --> 01:35:08,400others. So it's venture capitalbreeze takes venture capital.148001:35:09,870 --> 01:35:14,190So, capturing it, this is I hada conversation with my wife this148101:35:14,190 --> 01:35:17,070morning says, Well, you know,you know, just all of these148201:35:17,070 --> 01:35:19,470fuckers with, you know, allthese big hedge funds and148301:35:19,470 --> 01:35:21,900BlackRock, they want to come inand they want to buy up all the148401:35:21,900 --> 01:35:24,810Bitcoin. And I said, so let'sjust talk about what that means148501:35:24,810 --> 01:35:28,200because it can't be done. Andhere's why. So it's part of the148601:35:28,200 --> 01:35:32,550same ecosystem agree with that.But But Bitcoin Yeah, it's148701:35:32,550 --> 01:35:37,140beyond that. I'm stillskeptical. But using it. I'm148801:35:37,140 --> 01:35:40,170using it every day. I'm buildingright now I'm building on it. I148901:35:40,170 --> 01:35:43,920love it. And as I say, for thewallet, stuff on phones, there's149001:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,490nothing like it. But the processof snapping little QR codes. It149101:35:47,490 --> 01:35:50,640just works. It's fantastic. I'mdoing it 50 times a day149201:35:50,640 --> 01:35:52,290internally, while testing.149301:35:54,210 --> 01:35:57,720Right. But I'm looking forwardto the day I can replace my day149401:35:57,720 --> 01:36:02,880job with it. But that's replacedwhat replaced what my day job149501:36:02,940 --> 01:36:07,350with the Oh, well. You and meboth brother. I want to replace149601:36:07,350 --> 01:36:10,470Dave's day job. That's that's mymission in life is how do I get149701:36:10,470 --> 01:36:14,670Dave away from that damn officeto soul deadening job?149801:36:16,770 --> 01:36:17,250Well,149901:36:18,990 --> 01:36:20,280let's let's think some people150001:36:22,380 --> 01:36:25,890think that was a long wayaround, wasn't it? Yes. Yes.150101:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,160These are people that are tryingto also get us all away from our150201:36:29,160 --> 01:36:34,710day jobs. Yes, they are.Shantell Angus is in his $350150301:36:34,740 --> 01:36:37,590Oh, is that a big baller? That'sa big bus.150401:36:40,290 --> 01:36:41,190Blade. Oh,150501:36:42,240 --> 01:36:48,150nice. Thank you, Chantal. AnyNo, no, no, no, no, thank you.150601:36:48,510 --> 01:36:49,950That's what I'm talking about.150701:36:52,830 --> 01:36:57,690Rick, from glued to the screens,and it's $100. No note. And150801:36:57,870 --> 01:37:01,260another big. I mean, we had sadpuppy last week. And now it's150901:37:01,260 --> 01:37:05,430like, well, that's how it goes.That's that's you got to ask if151001:37:05,430 --> 01:37:06,780you don't ask people don't help.151101:37:08,310 --> 01:37:11,040Yeah, that those are two bigpapers for the week. Thank you,151201:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,400Chantal. And Rick, thank youvery much. Yeah, that's great.151301:37:15,030 --> 01:37:17,190And if you have a note, pleasesend it to me and I'll read it.151401:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,530I read it next week. I askedthem both if they hadn't noticed151501:37:19,530 --> 01:37:22,650and neither one of themresponded. So outside of make151601:37:22,650 --> 01:37:28,830good booster Graham from lastweek from Arno for 25,000 to 33151701:37:28,830 --> 01:37:35,490cents. I think he sent it toyour boost monitor Umbral151801:37:35,730 --> 01:37:40,290instead of to us Yeah. And hesaid thank you Dave for helping151901:37:40,290 --> 01:37:43,440to send booster grams boost 25Oh 33152001:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,330And so what what was the thenumber of sets you had?152101:37:48,990 --> 01:37:54,42025,033 33 I don't see it.152201:37:56,430 --> 01:37:58,950Well, I'm going to credit meanyway. Yeah, no matter no152301:37:58,950 --> 01:38:00,210matter what. Okay, sure.152401:38:01,740 --> 01:38:06,750So we got seemly flip over here.Having to read these off the152501:38:06,750 --> 01:38:08,940screen because my printer wouldnot print.152601:38:10,500 --> 01:38:16,470Okay, we get it Scott. S dot cdot O dot t dot t. Fountain gave152701:38:16,470 --> 01:38:21,600us 10,420 SATs and he says gopodcasting 2.0 puff puff pass.152801:38:24,180 --> 01:38:28,500What is that? puff puff pass?Oh, seems like a drug reference152901:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,700to me. Dave. Sorry. A littleslow on the uptake. Let me let153001:38:32,700 --> 01:38:33,270me try it.153101:38:36,510 --> 01:38:42,120Now pass it pass it. No, no, notyet. Yeah, pro Pro. There we go.153201:38:43,440 --> 01:38:46,560Over to you Alex. That will makeyou quit your day job.153301:38:47,640 --> 01:38:48,690Not for good reasons.153401:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,570Cali bear of the intergalacticboom box and it's 25,000 SATs153501:38:54,570 --> 01:38:58,080through fountain and he says theintergalactic boombox podcast153601:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,650that way so you still mess it upthe intergalactic boombox153701:39:01,650 --> 01:39:06,810podcast, podcast. Jet sets. Doyou cool cats? Please hit me153801:39:06,810 --> 01:39:08,670with a Paul Stanley boost. Oh153901:39:15,570 --> 01:39:16,170beautiful.154001:39:17,340 --> 01:39:19,800Thank you. Thanks for chattingthe SATs brother.154101:39:21,390 --> 01:39:27,000Forged foe, sinister. Rove ducksand ethers tu tu tu tu through154201:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,440fountain and he says quack quack154301:39:34,050 --> 01:39:41,160thank you for FFO blueberry.Says 8888 SATs boost. Oh, he154401:39:41,160 --> 01:39:44,820sent it through the commandline. He's old school. I'd love154501:39:44,820 --> 01:39:45,870that. I love154601:39:47,220 --> 01:39:50,940it's a boost chain. Yeah. Who'sthe next in the bouschet? Yeah,154701:39:50,940 --> 01:39:53,490who's boosting in the chain?Yeah, I like this boost chain154801:39:53,490 --> 01:39:56,220idea. Oh, here we go. Here wego.154901:39:57,240 --> 01:39:59,970Through breeze 280155001:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,38010,420 SAS holy crap just155101:40:05,850 --> 01:40:09,270says paywalls are brokeninformation wants to be free and155201:40:09,270 --> 01:40:14,400value unbounded. There GG. Aha.Did he All right, hold on. Let155301:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,140me give me my right thelightning boost.155401:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,270Me go. Thanks there Gigi. Yeah,we're having him. He'll be on155501:40:21,270 --> 01:40:24,270the show in March already get itbooked. Oh, cool. Now wasn't155601:40:24,420 --> 01:40:29,250Gigi who said he he he retiredat block 700,000 was was that155701:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,840dirt cheap? Or was it because Iliked that because we determined155801:40:34,320 --> 01:40:37,320yesterday you and I block whatblock height? 1 million. David.155901:40:37,710 --> 01:40:41,610retiring. Yeah, we're out that 1million blockout. 1 million.156001:40:41,610 --> 01:40:44,910We're out. Yeah, I wanna I wantto start using a nem I'm gonna156101:40:44,910 --> 01:40:50,400become a nem nem Yeah. And youknow, the anonymous, you know,156201:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,230like, GG, that's not his realname. He's156301:40:53,310 --> 01:40:55,950an anonymous, so block 1million. I'm just gonna become156401:40:55,950 --> 01:41:01,020like a, like a nim. So it's likethe witness protection program.156501:41:01,650 --> 01:41:06,630Yeah, okay. Yeah. I'm just gonnacome back as DJ or something156601:41:06,630 --> 01:41:10,800like that. And nobody know who Iam Dave Jones. Yeah, yeah.156701:41:12,270 --> 01:41:14,850Thank you there GG. Weappreciate it. I guess it's just156801:41:14,850 --> 01:41:15,210GG156901:41:17,340 --> 01:41:26,490G Jo. Jo. I don't know. J LT aTX Gil tax gave us 1024 SATs157001:41:26,520 --> 01:41:31,110call that a kilobyte boost. Oh1024 cents I like that. Yeah do157101:41:31,110 --> 01:41:32,970fountain any just as boost yo157201:41:36,150 --> 01:41:41,610that's Tina right yeah, it is.Yes. Our buddy Karen for the157301:41:41,610 --> 01:41:45,120mere mortals podcasts in a rushboost 2112 una fountain157401:41:46,830 --> 01:41:50,700aces fantastic episode gents. Ican give two endorsements for157501:41:50,700 --> 01:41:54,060two Satoshis dot stream and forOscars new inbuilt wallet for157601:41:54,060 --> 01:41:57,360booster grams yay with withSatoshis dot stream I received157701:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,750the messages and telegram and onDiscord plus a daily update and157801:42:00,750 --> 01:42:04,020for my book review channel I usefountain which is really slick.157901:42:04,350 --> 01:42:08,790Just just need to get working onmy V four v podcast on Hello Pat158001:42:08,790 --> 01:42:13,140and I'll have all bases covered.Oh nice. Very nice. Thank you158101:42:13,140 --> 01:42:21,660for this that's Karen. Best.Bessie UK. V si UK send us best.158201:42:21,900 --> 01:42:27,690Se UK I think Bessie UK maybe.Okay. Send us 117 says through158301:42:27,690 --> 01:42:30,690fountain and he says my podcastbuddy and I just turned down158401:42:30,690 --> 01:42:34,260multiple legacy advertisingoffers and made our podcast 2.0158501:42:34,260 --> 01:42:38,550compatible. Yeah. As one of thefirst non crypto oriented castes158601:42:38,550 --> 01:42:42,480in Germany as far as I can tell,I wish you all the best Daniel158701:42:42,480 --> 01:42:46,650from the Hildon LD. If you needa Deutsche boost158801:42:47,850 --> 01:42:51,780go podcasting God podcastingDodger boost podcast.158901:42:53,130 --> 01:42:56,100You sound so German when you do.Well. I have.159001:42:57,390 --> 01:42:59,460I have I have that Aryan thingabout me.159101:43:00,960 --> 01:43:06,120Donation donations. Okay. 3300SATs from Cass PyLint Ooh159201:43:06,120 --> 01:43:09,810through fountain and he saysthanks for the show. Thank you159301:43:09,810 --> 01:43:12,360cast cast peatland from theNetherlands.159401:43:13,470 --> 01:43:17,100cheese cheese peel and rightcast cheese that would be it.159501:43:18,630 --> 01:43:21,720Sir Doug's and his 4400 SASthrough fountain and he just159601:43:21,720 --> 01:43:23,280says boost Yay.159701:43:25,080 --> 01:43:29,280Thank you, sir. Doug. Oh, sirDoug again. 4400 SATs again.159801:43:29,400 --> 01:43:34,470Nice says I'm podcasting withoutconsequences. Don't just post159901:43:37,230 --> 01:43:44,070route. ruse Ruiz Elgato sent us5000 SATs through fountain and160001:43:44,070 --> 01:43:46,920he says this is an oddlysatisfying way of parting with160101:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,550money. You may have stumbledonto something. Yeah. See this160201:43:50,550 --> 01:43:54,960is I saw that one come in. Likeyeah, that's beautiful. Because160301:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,980that's what it is. It feels goodman. It really feels good to be160401:43:58,980 --> 01:44:02,280listening to something and justsending little bits of money.160501:44:02,310 --> 01:44:06,660Like I value this. I agree.Feels good on both ends. Let's160601:44:06,660 --> 01:44:09,630get this fan said last week onthe show. If from bus Brad he's160701:44:09,630 --> 01:44:12,540like, you know, I never realizedI get a dopamine hit by sending160801:44:12,810 --> 01:44:17,220money. Yeah, exactly. It'spodcasting. 2.0 It's better than160901:44:17,220 --> 01:44:22,140a meditation app. Nomad Josephand his 1002 SAS through pod161001:44:22,140 --> 01:44:24,960friend and he says happy puppywhooshed161101:44:29,370 --> 01:44:30,090cauldron161201:44:31,350 --> 01:44:37,200says it's cool name Cole Johnsonis 18,001 Set oh I know we he161301:44:37,200 --> 01:44:39,480she has donated plenty of timesbefore161401:44:41,070 --> 01:44:43,380I had to boost again afterhearing you read my booster161501:44:43,380 --> 01:44:47,790grant from Korean the keeper foranyone vanilla kinky or LGBT.161601:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,820Interested in relationship andintimacy coaching visit161701:44:51,090 --> 01:44:53,850cauldrons crypt.com/coaching.161801:44:54,900 --> 01:44:59,670This is this is the first Nativeadvertiser on podcasting. 2.0161901:44:59,670 --> 01:45:00,000who has made162001:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,280making the rounds and is issending you know like nice size162101:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,850boosts to have their boosterGraham read. Yep that's how you162201:45:08,850 --> 01:45:09,180do it162301:45:10,410 --> 01:45:15,930let's see let's go to flightlessbirds send us 200 sets and he162401:45:15,930 --> 01:45:17,100says you162501:45:20,310 --> 01:45:24,810I left it on again yesterdayduring no agenda can hear it on162601:45:24,810 --> 01:45:28,410the across the room my headphonedoesn't quite the cord doesn't162701:45:28,410 --> 01:45:32,520quite reach to get to it to thevolume and so I heard ago pew162801:45:32,850 --> 01:45:36,090and and what happens is on thelive stream these fuckers are162901:45:36,090 --> 01:45:38,880sitting there and in the trollroom like oh, he's got the booty163001:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,040Graham you got the helipad onlet's let's boost163101:45:42,330 --> 01:45:46,410like 50 SATs pew pew pew pew pewpew pew pew like very funny.163201:45:46,830 --> 01:45:47,700Very, very funny.163301:45:49,170 --> 01:45:49,680Like163401:45:51,180 --> 01:45:58,650see anonymous through breeze,send us 12345 So 12,354 45 sets163501:45:59,910 --> 01:46:03,420and they say Brees warned methat they may shut down my node163601:46:03,420 --> 01:46:05,580due to lack of activity. This isa forced boost163701:46:07,200 --> 01:46:08,310force boost.163801:46:09,750 --> 01:46:12,060This is very Star Wars Forceboost test163901:46:13,170 --> 01:46:18,630stim our steamer steamer 42.Send us 4242 sets through164001:46:18,630 --> 01:46:22,410fountain and he says hey guys,please. Hey guys, please tell us164101:46:22,650 --> 01:46:25,890please tell Jason thatpodcasting with legacy apps is164201:46:25,890 --> 01:46:30,000like making movies for VHS. VHSwhen Netflix is available. Is164301:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,480Jason. Is he talking about JasonCalacanis.164401:46:35,130 --> 01:46:38,430That's the only that's the onlyhe's on podcasting tours is at164501:46:38,430 --> 01:46:41,160his podcast. Yeah. 2.0compatible. I never hear him164601:46:41,160 --> 01:46:44,190talk about it. Maybe he'stalking about Jason from podcast164701:46:44,190 --> 01:46:46,710guru but I don't remember whathe would have said no, I don't164801:46:46,710 --> 01:46:49,800either. I got I've got a fix forthis since164901:46:53,100 --> 01:46:56,670Dave, you really picked up thisvalue for value very quickly.165001:46:57,180 --> 01:47:02,640It's not rocket science. It's itwas a quick way at 3333 says165101:47:02,640 --> 01:47:06,690from signs of new growth throughthe fountain app. He says165201:47:07,080 --> 01:47:09,600appreciate all your nonstop hardwork to make this new system a165301:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,320reality and I will also add I'mthis is me editorializing, the165401:47:13,320 --> 01:47:19,410nonstop hard work of also guyslike Alex and Brian cast of165501:47:19,410 --> 01:47:24,3601000s and Spurlock and Stevencrater, Steven Bell and165601:47:24,450 --> 01:47:27,270everybody that does work on thisproject and the hosting165701:47:27,300 --> 01:47:31,020companies Yes, yes and thehosting companies and the app165801:47:31,020 --> 01:47:35,700and the podcasters everybody yeswant to make that clear165901:47:35,940 --> 01:47:38,790appreciate all your hard work tomake this new system a reality166001:47:39,030 --> 01:47:41,760been having lots of funproducing songs publishing them166101:47:41,970 --> 01:47:44,460receiving histograms andinteracting with all supportive166201:47:44,460 --> 01:47:47,310people at podcast index dotsocial I'm trying to figure out166301:47:47,310 --> 01:47:50,370how to contribute to a moremusic focused podcasting 2.0166401:47:50,370 --> 01:47:53,760experience able Kirby answerSpencer seem to be leading the166501:47:53,760 --> 01:47:58,560way with their various projects.Great. And I'll I'll I'll do my166601:47:58,650 --> 01:48:02,160my rant as usual. All it takesis one developer to create a166701:48:02,160 --> 01:48:05,250different front end just formusic. That's all it takes.166801:48:06,360 --> 01:48:08,550That's all it takes. Everythingelse works.166901:48:12,210 --> 01:48:16,170That's right. Just Hey, man, youwant to be a musician you.167001:48:19,350 --> 01:48:22,380Alright, another t shirt. I sentus your took the words out of my167101:48:22,380 --> 01:48:25,740mouth. Now I talked to I want tomention this to talk to the167201:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,480no agenda shop guy. Turns outit's one guy and his wife, which167301:48:30,480 --> 01:48:34,680is just she slays me at theamount of work he does. Wow. And167401:48:34,860 --> 01:48:37,290so he's going to take care ofthe rest of our T shirts, which167501:48:37,290 --> 01:48:39,630you've heard he's actuallydesigning a new short new shirt167601:48:39,630 --> 01:48:40,170for us.167701:48:41,520 --> 01:48:45,630For our 10 donors who we stillowe shirts, apologies for that.167801:48:46,140 --> 01:48:52,530But he also wants to do a wholepodcasting 2.0 section with a167901:48:52,560 --> 01:48:56,340you know, something podcasting2.0 podcasts index related, so168001:48:56,730 --> 01:49:00,960to do merch and then he'll he'llgive a portion of the proceeds168101:49:00,990 --> 01:49:05,850to the podcasting 2.0 projectthe index that's really need to168201:49:05,850 --> 01:49:09,570hit him up. He has to he has totake lightning and have a BTC168301:49:09,570 --> 01:49:13,050pay server on the front of that.It really it's time.168401:49:14,820 --> 01:49:17,910I'll talk to him about I mean, Ithought he had his own company.168501:49:18,570 --> 01:49:22,020He literally has no inventory.He's just figured out how to do168601:49:22,020 --> 01:49:25,440it cost effectively. His wifehelps him pack stuff up. It's an168701:49:25,470 --> 01:49:30,120I for years thought this was acompany. He has a full time job.168801:49:30,120 --> 01:49:34,140He does something completelyunrelated. I have to have two168901:49:34,350 --> 01:49:37,470shirts that he's produced sofar. They're good shirts, yes,169001:49:37,500 --> 01:49:40,560great shirts, good quality, andhe T shirts. I think what his169101:49:40,560 --> 01:49:44,100ultimate. He wanted to learn howto do an apparel line moving169201:49:44,100 --> 01:49:48,000forward. And so this was kind ofhis, his training ground. It169301:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,460just became a thing and he'sjust like, No, I mean, he169401:49:50,460 --> 01:49:51,480doesn't live off of it.169501:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,350But he certainly certainly makesa lot of people happy169601:49:56,790 --> 01:49:59,940Satoshis dot stream, send us10,000 sets169701:50:00,359 --> 01:50:00,899Nice.169801:50:02,730 --> 01:50:06,330Benjamin is a nice guy andpodcast font is cool. Thanks169901:50:06,330 --> 01:50:11,490again for the logo. Oh yeah.Very nice. Thanks. So she's170001:50:11,490 --> 01:50:11,970downstream.170101:50:13,290 --> 01:50:19,140See 30,000 SATs from Peterthrough the fountain app. And he170201:50:19,140 --> 01:50:23,100says podcasting 2.0 uncensorability is directly responsible170301:50:23,100 --> 01:50:26,790for changing the trajectory ofhumanity for all eternity. So170401:50:26,790 --> 01:50:31,020happy to be part of the part ofhistory boost boost boost. Nice.170501:50:31,230 --> 01:50:35,640Thank you for those 30,000 saysPeter, appreciate that. And the170601:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,430delimiter here it is ladies andgentlemen comics through blogger170701:50:38,430 --> 01:50:44,160with his weekly donation 10,033SAS through pod friend, he says170801:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,850greetings to podcast index.org.Team. Thank you for your service170901:50:47,850 --> 01:50:50,640to podcasting and you're invitedto listen to our podcast171001:50:50,640 --> 01:50:54,660entitled AI cooking. Read byEnglishman Gregory William171101:50:54,660 --> 01:50:58,500Forsythe Forman can be found inweb browsers by typing AI171201:50:58,530 --> 01:51:02,160cooking or via new podcast appscalm yo, yo.171301:51:03,420 --> 01:51:07,860He's popping us FOD one came infrom Sir Spencer. Did you see171401:51:07,860 --> 01:51:11,400that about an hour ago? No, thatwas probably after I already171501:51:11,400 --> 01:51:13,320dumped the list. Yeah, I justread this one since171601:51:14,580 --> 01:51:22,95033,333 SATs from Sir Spencer.Yeah. Hold on a second was Yeah.171701:51:24,300 --> 01:51:27,210Hope this reaches you in timewell, due to the real time171801:51:27,210 --> 01:51:31,170nature of Heli pad. Yes. Lookingforward to your visit with us171901:51:31,170 --> 01:51:34,260Sunday on bowls with bugs liveon the no agenda stream after no172001:51:34,260 --> 01:51:38,310agenda wraps up set for you,Dave. It is on Sunday. Yep,172101:51:38,370 --> 01:51:43,020we'll be demonstrating our newboost IRC bot featuring custom172201:51:43,200 --> 01:51:50,130lists featuring customnumerology emojis. Oh, man, I172301:51:50,130 --> 01:51:56,280love this. That's that's that'sfucking cool, man. Yeah, I can't172401:51:56,280 --> 01:51:59,070wait. I'm happy what and bedistracted by the troll run the172501:51:59,070 --> 01:52:02,040entire time. Fantastic. Love it.172601:52:03,480 --> 01:52:06,480We get monthly donors. Yes. Weget some172701:52:07,590 --> 01:52:11,550monthly donors. Here we gotJeremy Kevin all $10 Chris172801:52:11,550 --> 01:52:15,330Callen. $5 There's a guy I don'tknow if y'all know him. His name172901:52:15,330 --> 01:52:20,700is Alice gates heard of him. Hegave us $25 Thank you, Alex.173001:52:22,530 --> 01:52:26,970He's popping. JeffreyRutherford. $5 naman Kessel173101:52:26,970 --> 01:52:32,850Jack, give us $15 Paul Saltzman$22.22 Derek Fisker. $21 David173201:52:32,850 --> 01:52:34,740Norman $25.173301:52:37,290 --> 01:52:42,690Jeremy Gertz $5 Timothy Hudgins$25. My buddy David would find173401:52:42,690 --> 01:52:45,960$3 and this is Dutch I'm goingto try to do it I'm going to try173501:52:45,960 --> 01:52:46,920to do Dutch accent173601:52:49,140 --> 01:52:55,500which will close post vesselvessel throat TR o St. proced173701:52:55,500 --> 01:53:02,310Yeah, O P vessel proced p r o stP as in Papa, no t to t trust.173801:53:02,850 --> 01:53:07,530Trust So trust which means totrust is to comfort173901:53:08,610 --> 01:53:11,130Oh, this beautiful comfortingremember that the Dutch when174001:53:11,130 --> 01:53:14,610Napoleon invaded they allchanged their names and they got174101:53:14,610 --> 01:53:16,920drunk the night before and saidhey, I'll just call my head174201:53:16,920 --> 01:53:21,120myself. Shit mountain. Okay. Tobeat you day to day there are174301:53:21,120 --> 01:53:23,460people whose last name is shitmountain.174401:53:25,230 --> 01:53:26,850I'm telling you man is crazy.174501:53:27,930 --> 01:53:31,620Oh, he comforted us with $1Well, thank you very much.174601:53:31,680 --> 01:53:33,960typical Dutch Dutch guy. Thereyou go.174701:53:36,420 --> 01:53:41,580Survey of ash gave us $5 andThomas Sullivan Jr. $5. My174801:53:41,580 --> 01:53:47,010favorite name. And I want to sayalso give a shout out to Dr.174901:53:47,010 --> 01:53:49,740Scott and David Norman for theircontinuous chapter work they175001:53:49,740 --> 01:53:53,910don't get enough recognition forthat. Indeed everybody in you175101:53:53,910 --> 01:53:58,050can bring your your value to theproject with the three T's time175201:53:58,050 --> 01:54:00,780talent, treasure, we need totreasure for sure. But just look175301:54:00,780 --> 01:54:04,200at all the time and talent thatwe have here. It's it's always175401:54:04,230 --> 01:54:08,430mind boggling. I would pay Iwould well, we kind of do but I175501:54:08,430 --> 01:54:12,300would pay to be to be a part ofthis group. I think we do. I175601:54:12,300 --> 01:54:15,690think I think we lose out Dave Ithink we boost more than than175701:54:15,690 --> 01:54:19,740we'll ever see. Yes, I've had tocut back I've had to make a175801:54:19,740 --> 01:54:22,230conscious effort to cut back Iknew you were on a collision175901:54:22,230 --> 01:54:25,350course I knew you were boost youwere over boosting and I and I176001:54:25,350 --> 01:54:28,500quit I thought it was almosttime for an intervention Okay,176101:54:28,530 --> 01:54:31,350cuz I saw it I'm like Dave'sboosting a little too much man.176201:54:31,350 --> 01:54:34,080He's gonna boost my wife knew ifshe she knew it was time for an176301:54:34,080 --> 01:54:37,410intervention if she actuallyintervened. Hey, slow down with176401:54:37,410 --> 01:54:42,600the boosting bra. Yeah, yeah,one, one pull request from Alice176501:54:42,600 --> 01:54:45,990gates represents 1000s ofdollars worth of development,176601:54:46,170 --> 01:54:49,830professional development. Workis right. Oh, speaking of176701:54:49,830 --> 01:54:53,790selling. So you can obviouslyyou can you can support the176801:54:53,790 --> 01:54:58,320whole project and liquidity andhelp everybody out by boosting176901:54:58,320 --> 01:54:59,640us that's highly appreciated.177001:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,050The paper towels, the Fiat funcoupons still very necessary for177101:55:04,050 --> 01:55:08,100us to continue operations. Wehave a donate button at podcast177201:55:08,100 --> 01:55:13,650index.org at the bottom, Ihooked up the tally coin177301:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,960QR code for payments. Andsomeone said, Oh yeah, no, I'll177401:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,600put in a pull request and Idon't think it's happened yet.177501:55:21,750 --> 01:55:25,980Just Steven crater he's he'llhe'll he'll get to us. Yeah, now177601:55:25,980 --> 01:55:30,180he re that's another person thatis she redid the whole a whole177701:55:30,180 --> 01:55:35,940lot of stuff. Right? It makes usso no. Well, Steven B redid the177801:55:35,940 --> 01:55:40,530ads page. But then Stephencrater came in and177901:55:41,640 --> 01:55:45,570took care of a lot of naggingissues on the site like infinity178001:55:45,570 --> 01:55:49,980scroll, he put that in on thefeed low, nice. And did some178101:55:49,980 --> 01:55:53,670search work also took care ofthe URL encoding for the search178201:55:53,670 --> 01:55:56,310so you can find curry and thekeeper and those kinds of178301:55:56,310 --> 01:56:01,350things. Although I changed thethe RSS feed to be curry a n d178401:56:01,350 --> 01:56:06,000th e keeper. Yes, yeah, yeah.But he he did. He's done. He's178501:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,100done a bunch of them. And healso is the maintainer of the178601:56:08,100 --> 01:56:12,450hive watcher, JavaScript,cetera, et pod ping dot watcher178701:56:12,690 --> 01:56:16,710watch. While he does that side,but he also maintains the178801:56:16,710 --> 01:56:20,340JavaScript version of the hivewatcher. Gotcha. Gotcha. I use178901:56:20,340 --> 01:56:21,990pod ping Dot Watch all the time.179001:56:23,760 --> 01:56:27,390On that note, quick aside, hewas actually the first support179101:56:27,420 --> 01:56:31,320live and popping the watch. SoOh, that's right. It comes in a179201:56:31,320 --> 01:56:35,520different color, right? Yes, itcomes in red. Oh, cool. So you179301:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,910can use that to test until wecan get it into another app? So179401:56:38,940 --> 01:56:44,340here's a question just brieflyfor y'all pod pingers sometimes,179501:56:44,460 --> 01:56:47,640and I just look at pod Pink DotWatch. And they'll say podcast179601:56:47,640 --> 01:56:52,800index. And it'll have a youknow, slash podcast slash and179701:56:52,830 --> 01:56:57,720then a thing. But here's onepodcast index and it gives a179801:56:57,720 --> 01:57:01,500search query to a Buzzsprout RSSfeed.179901:57:03,330 --> 01:57:04,470Wind does not found180001:57:05,640 --> 01:57:10,440in podcasts and Oh, so it's notfound Okay, right. That means180101:57:10,440 --> 01:57:10,530that180201:57:11,790 --> 01:57:13,770it will let me tell you thereason why puts the search query180301:57:13,770 --> 01:57:16,500in there because when you hit itwith a search query for a URL,180401:57:16,830 --> 01:57:19,920and the URL is not found, itgives you the option on the page180501:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,200to add the feed to the index.180601:57:23,790 --> 01:57:27,300So that surfaces the add thepublic add functionality where180701:57:27,300 --> 01:57:29,070you can click to add it if youwanted to180801:57:30,360 --> 01:57:34,230pass it that feed is not existin the index, but if you click180901:57:34,230 --> 01:57:38,910through it, you can add Holyshit. Yeah, add this to the181001:57:38,910 --> 01:57:42,780index. Click here. Click here.Oh, that is also something that181101:57:42,840 --> 01:57:47,640this Steven did this a recruiterput Oh my goodness. So I could181201:57:47,640 --> 01:57:51,990actually I can help like, oh,wait, wait, wait, wait.181301:57:53,010 --> 01:57:58,380Train train isn't popping gonnarain181401:57:59,550 --> 01:58:02,700is already doing it train thattrain, train.181501:58:04,350 --> 01:58:07,740Training. I'm training theGoogle it's I have to prove on181601:58:07,740 --> 01:58:08,430cumin which181701:58:09,780 --> 01:58:12,000I thought you were a foamer Ididn't know it was? Well, no, I181801:58:12,000 --> 01:58:16,620had to click trains. They theywere buses and trains. So I was181901:58:16,620 --> 01:58:23,670clicking trains train train. I'ma good slays okay, I hate that.182001:58:23,700 --> 01:58:25,920I hit that and I get a blankpage after that.182101:58:27,480 --> 01:58:29,580But it's being doneautomatically. Anyway, on the182201:58:29,580 --> 01:58:32,820back end. Bye. Bye. Okay,podcast index. I thought I could182301:58:32,820 --> 01:58:35,850find it'll be there. I thoughtit could help. It's a good182401:58:35,850 --> 01:58:36,270hobby.182501:58:41,400 --> 01:58:43,410Google self driving cars needall the help.182601:58:45,600 --> 01:58:47,430Look, we don't want people todie out there. So182701:58:49,290 --> 01:58:53,220that's interesting. That's veryinteresting. Thanks, everybody.182801:58:53,820 --> 01:58:57,210That's a better week. Thank you.That really makes a difference.182901:58:57,210 --> 01:58:59,220And when you're boosting justconsider what you're boosting.183001:58:59,820 --> 01:59:03,600And we need as much as we canget the but I mean, even curry183101:59:03,600 --> 01:59:07,350and the keeper and Mo facts,man. Holy crap. People are183201:59:07,350 --> 01:59:10,200really starting to move moneythrough the booster grams. It's183301:59:10,200 --> 01:59:13,170picking up. Yeah, it's pickingup really? Is it really the183401:59:13,170 --> 01:59:14,430same? It's great.183501:59:15,960 --> 01:59:19,230All right. Anything else? Whatdo we get? Oh, my goodness, this183601:59:19,230 --> 01:59:22,560board meeting is out of control.Anybody on PayPal right now?183701:59:22,590 --> 01:59:26,400Yes, we are anybody else? Forthe for the closing. Closing183801:59:26,400 --> 01:59:30,750questions, closing arguments.I've won. Thank you. Thank you183901:59:30,750 --> 01:59:34,020for everything. Oh, Brian, thankyou. That's my contribution.184001:59:34,020 --> 01:59:36,750Really, really, honestly, fromthe bottom of my heart,184101:59:37,020 --> 01:59:40,530everything, everything thatyou've done, it just given me a184201:59:40,530 --> 01:59:43,260huge amount of joy and, andpurpose.184301:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,310Wow, that's very nice thingthat's very nice of you to say,184401:59:48,600 --> 01:59:50,580Hey, Alex, this is my purpose.So184501:59:51,630 --> 01:59:55,200that's all I got. So one morething I'm trying to work on was184601:59:55,230 --> 01:59:59,700popping in the medium tag is aand maybe a new knit namespace184701:59:59,700 --> 01:59:59,970feature.184802:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,000is a way to do playlists foranything. So podcasts or music184902:00:06,000 --> 02:00:06,600or whatever.185002:00:08,010 --> 02:00:08,820Just something to185102:00:10,290 --> 02:00:13,200think about that for discussionsoon. I think I think we could185202:00:13,200 --> 02:00:15,120do it without, you know, anycopyright issues.185302:00:16,350 --> 02:00:20,760And that could be a whole new,whole new use case. So just how185402:00:20,760 --> 02:00:22,380do you do that? You do that withwhat?185502:00:23,940 --> 02:00:28,380Think about adding a newnamespace proposal? Item. So you185602:00:28,380 --> 02:00:30,960can have a feed that's not thatdoesn't have any items that185702:00:30,960 --> 02:00:36,990would be that would be aplaylist RSS. Yep. Yep. Nice.185802:00:37,080 --> 02:00:42,600Oh, ooh. And then can we doinclusion of other playlists?185902:00:44,460 --> 02:00:46,530Maybe think about right.186002:00:48,540 --> 02:00:51,300I was like, could be, that's abig part about Spotify, right?186102:00:51,300 --> 02:00:56,850Is curated playlists. So now,can we finally can we can we186202:00:56,850 --> 02:00:58,800find like, Why did you laugh atthat, Brian?186302:00:59,940 --> 02:01:03,510Because I love the idea everytime we come up with a feature,186402:01:03,720 --> 02:01:07,560but that is like a core productof web 2.00.186502:01:08,910 --> 02:01:13,440Distribute it for free. Andthey're multi billion dollar186602:01:13,440 --> 02:01:17,280history. You can't do anythingto stop it. That's funny. Okay.186702:01:17,730 --> 02:01:22,020Is this a way Alex to finallybring OPML back into our lives?186802:01:22,020 --> 02:01:25,890Because I I really feel likeit's slipping through my186902:01:25,890 --> 02:01:28,590fingers. I do love the format somuch.187002:01:29,730 --> 02:01:34,140I don't think so. Maybe? I don'tknow much about it. But I feel187102:01:34,140 --> 02:01:37,680like it's just a regular trade.Right. I mean, I just I still187202:01:37,740 --> 02:01:42,360yearn for import export, haveOPML subscription lists, and187302:01:42,390 --> 02:01:48,090very few support it. It's justtoo bad. I think. I think that I187402:01:48,090 --> 02:01:52,680may be the only human in thehistory of the world that has187502:01:52,680 --> 02:01:54,720written a namespace for OPML.187602:01:57,540 --> 02:02:00,450That may be true. We don't needto think about it. Dave is187702:02:00,450 --> 02:02:01,080definitely187802:02:02,220 --> 02:02:05,040about it. still proud of it. I'mstill proud of it. All right,187902:02:05,040 --> 02:02:10,110everybody. Good meeting guys.Very good. And I can distill188002:02:10,110 --> 02:02:10,830some pizza. Let's188102:02:11,970 --> 02:02:14,430go ahead and have that on yourway out. Take a little take a188202:02:14,430 --> 02:02:18,030little slice. Thank y'all forboard meeting us pod Ting. We'll188302:02:18,030 --> 02:02:19,650see you next week everybody byebye.188402:02:35,790 --> 02:02:41,130Listening to podcasting 2.0Visit podcasts index.org. For188502:02:41,130 --> 02:02:42,330more information