Episode 71: SPECS and SPACS

100:00:00,570 --> 00:00:06,420podcasting 2.0 for January28 2022, episode 71 specs and200:00:06,420 --> 00:00:15,450specs Hello, everybody. It'scold everywhere that we are.300:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,250Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 Thisis the official board meeting of400:00:20,250 --> 00:00:23,700podcasting 2.0 podcast index.orgEverything happening with the500:00:23,700 --> 00:00:29,460podcasting namespace. And ofcourse, for the studio audience600:00:29,820 --> 00:00:33,390there at podcast index dotsocial. I'm Adam curry here in700:00:33,390 --> 00:00:36,420the heart of the Texas HillCountry. And in Alabama, there's800:00:36,420 --> 00:00:38,700a problem that he can't fixbecause he can do it in the mix.900:00:38,700 --> 00:00:41,610My friend on the other end,ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave1000:00:41,610 --> 00:00:42,960Jones.1100:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,850I'm trying to send Brian ofLondon a calendar invite. I've1200:00:47,850 --> 00:00:54,780got like, I haven't, let's see1234 different email addresses1300:00:54,780 --> 00:00:55,080for this1400:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,440joker. Oh, yeah, this calendarinvites in general, I find1500:00:58,890 --> 00:01:01,950somehow that that never reallyquite worked.1600:01:02,730 --> 00:01:06,240Well, it makes me suspiciousthat he has so many different1700:01:07,050 --> 00:01:09,330different email addresses andone person is not supposed to1800:01:09,330 --> 00:01:10,590have four different emailaddress.1900:01:10,620 --> 00:01:12,660Oh, yeah. No, no, you have tounderstand he also has four2000:01:12,660 --> 00:01:17,700different families. One in thestates he has four identity. Oh,2100:01:17,700 --> 00:01:20,340yeah. He has four identities.One in the UK, one in Israel,2200:01:20,340 --> 00:01:23,340one in the US. And then oneprobably like Cyprus or2300:01:23,340 --> 00:01:27,210something and he has all hismoney. Cyprus, Tina and Tina and2400:01:27,210 --> 00:01:31,020I concluded on curry in thekeeper, that he must have2500:01:31,020 --> 00:01:35,610married into a very wealthyfamily. Because he has no job2600:01:35,610 --> 00:01:38,940you know, there's no way how ishe making money? This is2700:01:38,940 --> 00:01:40,800impossible. This man cannotsurvive.2800:01:42,510 --> 00:01:47,880Hives combination of Hive, hiveand paddleboards that's the2900:01:47,910 --> 00:01:51,570what? I was just kidding, ofcourse, but the hive I know the3000:01:51,570 --> 00:01:55,620hive foundation or whatever itis that that the community3100:01:55,650 --> 00:02:01,080creates grants. Yeah. Which isvery cool. Actually. That works3200:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,910that way. But what's thepaddleboards?3300:02:04,110 --> 00:02:06,780I don't know. You just mentionedit one day. He called me Miss3400:02:06,810 --> 00:02:07,290eating.3500:02:07,620 --> 00:02:12,930Oh, okay. Well, that's not veryprofessional Dave Jones. I mean,3600:02:12,930 --> 00:02:15,390I did ask you if you were readywhen I hit the button.3700:02:15,930 --> 00:02:17,880That was I was ready to stickthis Jesus3800:02:22,350 --> 00:02:23,280Oh, man.3900:02:24,270 --> 00:02:33,390I'm so I'm listening toHeartland last night. And what4000:02:33,390 --> 00:02:40,170is there's a glaring like gap inthe show there's what's booster4100:02:40,170 --> 00:02:44,430Graham corner is just missing.Yeah, I sent a bunch of boosts4200:02:44,430 --> 00:02:47,850and I got in I fixed James'shell a pad and all that kind of4300:02:47,850 --> 00:02:52,380stuff. And I got cheated. No, nobooster gram corner.4400:02:52,830 --> 00:02:56,460Oh, cuz I was gonna say I know,I know that. The heli pad thing4500:02:56,460 --> 00:02:58,230was broken because I had thesame issue.4600:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,490But we got to fix though lastnight. Yeah. Good.4700:03:03,390 --> 00:03:05,760Dave, tell me Were you in bedwhen you were telling me how to4800:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,770do it because I was in bedlistening and doing the4900:03:07,770 --> 00:03:08,430commands.5000:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,970I was I was in bed. How sick areway.5100:03:13,380 --> 00:03:15,780I'm literally was like, whydon't5200:03:15,780 --> 00:03:16,950you just go to sleep?5300:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,420I'm on Terminix or whatever itis that you know. So I can SSH5400:03:21,420 --> 00:03:26,640into my Umbral and like copy.Long press copy. And then I5500:03:26,640 --> 00:03:30,120pasted it which I do in VI onthe terminal program and then5600:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,690some extra character got addedhim like oh crap, man, I I don't5700:03:33,690 --> 00:03:35,910want to embarrass myself bytelling Dave I'm doing this on5800:03:35,910 --> 00:03:40,560my phone. I messed it up. Okay,delete. Yeah, perfect. Okay. Ah,5900:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,880yes, there it is, is working.6000:03:42,390 --> 00:03:47,760So I walked away from the sahead fix and I was I hit the6100:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,170build command. Well, maybe we6200:03:49,170 --> 00:03:51,990should explain what happenedfirst, because this is why you6300:03:51,990 --> 00:03:58,050know the episode title specs andspecs and specs. Because in6400:03:58,050 --> 00:04:00,330podcasting, but maybe insoftware in general, but6500:04:00,330 --> 00:04:04,500certainly podcasting, theadherence to any type of6600:04:04,500 --> 00:04:08,340specification is far to befound. And we've known this for6700:04:08,340 --> 00:04:11,250over a decade, of course, withour experience with the freedom6800:04:11,250 --> 00:04:16,560controller, but sometimes youhave to consider all the6900:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,290exceptions that can come yourway because otherwise software7000:04:19,290 --> 00:04:19,920breaks.7100:04:20,820 --> 00:04:25,920Yes. Then the one thing that youdon't do, which is the exact7200:04:25,920 --> 00:04:34,950thing I did was okay, so they'rein, in, in modern OS, a modern7300:04:36,090 --> 00:04:43,140in memory safe. languages thattry to help you not write bugs7400:04:43,440 --> 00:04:50,490by giving you compile timechecks. And so this is a feature7500:04:50,490 --> 00:04:55,590of some languages, notably swiftand rust. There's others that7600:04:55,590 --> 00:05:01,350will have have a thing calledoptionals. You them. So the7700:05:01,350 --> 00:05:06,450optional says this, you defineyour function and you say, Okay,7800:05:06,450 --> 00:05:12,060this function is going to returnthis optional value. And the the7900:05:12,090 --> 00:05:18,720option can contain a value or itcan contain nothing. And if it8000:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,930contains a value, then it needsto adhere to a type. If it8100:05:21,930 --> 00:05:25,560contains nothing, it's justnothing. So what this key what8200:05:25,650 --> 00:05:29,130the reason this is good isbecause at compile time, you can8300:05:29,130 --> 00:05:36,150know that you can, you can knowwhich checks that the the linker8400:05:36,150 --> 00:05:38,880has to do, or excuse me, not thelinker but the compiler has to8500:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,890do in order to make sure thatyou're not going to code the8600:05:43,890 --> 00:05:49,470error wrong. Now, you still mayget unexpected values back. But8700:05:50,010 --> 00:05:55,860you're, you're very unlikely to,to introduce a simple bug of not8800:05:55,860 --> 00:06:00,810handling the return valueproperly. So the optional says,8900:06:01,260 --> 00:06:06,030it can either be a sum or a nunor an okay or an error. And then9000:06:06,150 --> 00:06:10,890if it's an error or a nun, youjust move on, well, you had in9100:06:10,890 --> 00:06:15,000order to get to the value ofthat return, you have to do9200:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,770what's called unwrapping it. Soyou have to, you have to get the9300:06:19,770 --> 00:06:26,190return, and then unwrap it tosee what's in it, but you only9400:06:26,190 --> 00:06:31,620unwrap it, if it's an okay or apsalm. So that means you get the9500:06:31,620 --> 00:06:36,060return value back and if it'sokay, or if it's some, then you9600:06:36,090 --> 00:06:40,320unwrap it to get the valuethat's inside of it. So if you9700:06:40,320 --> 00:06:46,200call unwrap on a font on areturn value, that you didn't9800:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,580check whether it's an okay ornot, you could be unwrapping9900:06:50,580 --> 00:06:56,850nothing. And when you do thatthread panic. That's what I did.10000:06:57,540 --> 00:07:02,250So, when the JSON from themessage from the boost comes in,10100:07:02,250 --> 00:07:07,590so the booster gram payload forthe there's this JSON block,10200:07:09,270 --> 00:07:16,920when it comes into the intoHello pad, from by Hello pad,10300:07:16,920 --> 00:07:23,460poling L and D. l pad gets thisJSON blob and sends it off to10400:07:23,460 --> 00:07:29,190the to a serializer to extractall of the JSON out of it and10500:07:29,190 --> 00:07:36,120convert it to a structure inrust. This process has a lot of10600:07:36,390 --> 00:07:41,550parts to it. Because you have tosay, Okay, well, you know, if if10700:07:41,550 --> 00:07:49,410somebody wrote the the boost theSATs amount, as a number, as an10800:07:49,410 --> 00:07:54,000integer, decode it this way, ifthey wrote the integer in quotes10900:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,550that actually comes through as astring, so you need to parse it11000:07:56,550 --> 00:07:59,820out, back to what back to anumber out of a string, and11100:07:59,820 --> 00:08:06,240blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.Well, what I had done was inside11200:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,590one of those two serializerfunctions, I was assuming that11300:08:10,590 --> 00:08:15,510it was supposed to be that itwas a number and unwrapping it11400:08:15,510 --> 00:08:19,140without actually checking if itwas a real number.11500:08:19,470 --> 00:08:23,220I want to stop you there, Dave.And I want to have everybody11600:08:23,250 --> 00:08:29,820understand what Dave just did iswhat developers do all day. So11700:08:29,820 --> 00:08:35,880when you say these thingsbroken, it sucks. Think of that11800:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,330thought process that he justtook you through, which was some11900:08:39,330 --> 00:08:42,330of the most riveting audioprogramming in my life that have12000:08:42,330 --> 00:08:44,220ever been shelved in lung.12100:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,810And you're not done yet.12200:08:48,269 --> 00:08:52,589Yes, and then just gettingwarmed up. So this this one this12300:08:52,589 --> 00:08:58,349thing did is it blew up? Itwould. Hella pad itself is built12400:08:58,349 --> 00:09:00,869with two different threads.Okay, so threads are just12500:09:02,609 --> 00:09:05,969pipelines of execution. Sothere's when you launch Hello12600:09:05,969 --> 00:09:10,199pad l pad is is actually twolines of execution that are12700:09:10,199 --> 00:09:15,839executing simultaneously. Youhave the the web server thread,12800:09:16,439 --> 00:09:20,189which serves the page, and thenyou have the polling thread. And12900:09:20,189 --> 00:09:22,949then you have the lnd pollingthread that's looking for13000:09:22,949 --> 00:09:26,519background for boosts in thebackground all the time. When13100:09:26,519 --> 00:09:29,999that JSON problem happened, andit would, it would panic, the13200:09:29,999 --> 00:09:34,049thread, the lnd polling threadwould die, but then13300:09:34,049 --> 00:09:37,289web server web server would keepalive right, right. Right,13400:09:37,289 --> 00:09:37,649right.13500:09:37,979 --> 00:09:40,979So it would look like it juststopped working altogether.13600:09:41,009 --> 00:09:43,589Now who was the culprit of thisevil JSON?13700:09:44,639 --> 00:09:46,709There was two culprits Those arecalled13800:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,009announced alien invaders whohave not and who have not13900:09:50,009 --> 00:09:53,939uncloaked what is going onpeople make yourselves known.14000:09:54,809 --> 00:09:59,399One, the first the firstculprit, and I'm going to give14100:09:59,399 --> 00:10:04,589him a hard time This is GilGeremy from pod station. Okay.14200:10:05,309 --> 00:10:05,729Yeah, he14300:10:05,730 --> 00:10:08,970had a wrong type he was sendingsomething as integer or should14400:10:08,970 --> 00:10:13,500have been an integer and it wasa Float Float. Yes of course a14500:10:13,500 --> 00:10:13,920float.14600:10:14,580 --> 00:10:19,590Yeah, so he was sending thetimestamp is like 123414700:10:19,620 --> 00:10:27,600rookie Get your shit together.Really? Really rook. I mean14800:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,350seriously?14900:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,020Yeah. And the worst part aboutit the part that I felt bad for15000:10:34,020 --> 00:10:39,840him for it was he the post thathe sent that broke everything15100:10:40,470 --> 00:10:44,400what the booster Grammy sentwhat said some? See I've got it15200:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,420here it says something like,15300:10:45,899 --> 00:10:48,689prolific like one giant leap formankind.15400:10:51,179 --> 00:10:56,549It was like oh, here it is.Hello, Adam and Dave and James.15500:10:56,549 --> 00:10:59,429If you got this message. This isthe first successful booster15600:10:59,429 --> 00:11:02,819gram sent from pus Tahitian.Cheers and Happy New Year.15700:11:04,889 --> 00:11:05,609Poison Pill.15800:11:07,110 --> 00:11:11,310He shot us with his cyber cannonand blew everything up. That's15900:11:11,310 --> 00:11:12,090pretty cool.16000:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,110Yeah, yeah. So he DDoS everybodywith hell pad that was in this16100:11:16,110 --> 00:11:20,970chain. Nice. Right? Yeah. Now,but yeah, he is just a simple16200:11:20,970 --> 00:11:23,670mistake. And they so16300:11:23,940 --> 00:11:27,540but what your what was it fromyour story earlier? Your point16400:11:27,540 --> 00:11:33,090is Halle pads should have beenable to trap that properly and16500:11:33,090 --> 00:11:33,990not panic on it.16600:11:34,470 --> 00:11:38,520Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it wastotally my fault. Yes. Because16700:11:38,880 --> 00:11:45,000you never know. It was funny, asis. Hella pad, the D serializer.16800:11:45,030 --> 00:11:49,920And handle lots of terrible JSONlike if the JSON had just been16900:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,880completely broke.17000:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,040Is that something you wrote theD serializer?17100:11:53,669 --> 00:11:58,139Or was it well, it's it's usinga library called seer. CRD and17200:11:58,139 --> 00:12:03,539it's basically it sets up aframework. And then you have to17300:12:03,539 --> 00:12:07,709write your own pieces for thespecific values that17400:12:07,709 --> 00:12:09,959you expect. Okay, good, buddy.Yeah, framework. I17500:12:09,959 --> 00:12:15,089got it. Yeah, it basically iscallback functions. And so like17600:12:15,269 --> 00:12:20,879he, if he had sent JSON that wasjust completely broken, didn't17700:12:20,879 --> 00:12:23,339even validate. It would havebeen fine. Yeah, it would have17800:12:23,339 --> 00:12:26,399just ignored it. But the factthat he sent a valid type, and17900:12:26,399 --> 00:12:32,249it was one type that I was notexpecting, that's broken. And so18000:12:32,249 --> 00:12:35,549if it had, you know, like, he'sin a float in that, then that18100:12:35,579 --> 00:12:38,969that is valid, but it was like,Yeah, but this but it's not18200:12:39,209 --> 00:12:41,609this, this thing's not aninteger and is like up,18300:12:42,060 --> 00:12:45,810as we say, in podcasting. 2.0 Beprepared to experience the18400:12:45,810 --> 00:12:46,710unexpected.18500:12:47,460 --> 00:12:52,500Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Andthat. So then, the second boost18600:12:52,500 --> 00:13:00,330that broke yours was a new appcalled use social use social.me.18700:13:01,980 --> 00:13:05,190And I was not aware of this app,even though the developer of it18800:13:05,190 --> 00:13:08,580is, is on podcast index, social,I wasn't aware that it was18900:13:08,580 --> 00:13:13,860actually functional yet. And sothen, he was sending, it was the19000:13:13,860 --> 00:13:20,580same exact thing, he was sendinga float in, in the value inset19100:13:21,270 --> 00:13:26,280field. So it broke it again,broke again. But the the problem19200:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,890with that one, though, whichmade it worse was that he it's19300:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,030he was doing it in the stream,and not a boost. So it was19400:13:33,030 --> 00:13:36,660sending like, tons and tons ofthem. So I didn't even know like19500:13:36,660 --> 00:13:39,270I couldn't even work around itbecause there's some unknown19600:13:39,270 --> 00:13:41,010quantity of the stream payments.19700:13:41,369 --> 00:13:44,729On this project. Thiseusocial.me actually looks kind19800:13:44,729 --> 00:13:48,239of cool, because if I understandit, it's it's a little19900:13:48,269 --> 00:13:53,729aggregator podcast client withbuilt in value for value20000:13:53,729 --> 00:13:57,419function, and search on theindex that you can basically put20100:13:57,419 --> 00:14:00,629into your own app or use forsomething else. Yeah, that's20200:14:00,630 --> 00:14:02,100what it looks like to me too.Cool.20300:14:02,429 --> 00:14:03,329That's very cool.20400:14:03,990 --> 00:14:05,610It's almost like family20500:14:05,610 --> 00:14:08,130and who runs this? Do we know?Do we know the person's name?20600:14:08,190 --> 00:14:09,000Anything about him?20700:14:09,419 --> 00:14:13,679That his handle is IBZ. He isher and that I don't think we20800:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,339actually have to do say his her.His or her? I don't know if it's20900:14:17,339 --> 00:14:21,959a man or woman. Yes, true. Itis. No, it wasn't one way isn't21000:14:21,959 --> 00:14:22,349his or21100:14:22,679 --> 00:14:25,739it was not? His her. I thoughtyou and his her?21200:14:26,220 --> 00:14:28,710I don't know. No, it was not a14th gender. It21300:14:28,710 --> 00:14:32,970was okay. That's what I'mtalking about. Yes. That's kind21400:14:32,970 --> 00:14:35,040of interesting. And so is thisfixed now? Do we know?21500:14:36,419 --> 00:14:37,799Yes. Now,21600:14:38,159 --> 00:14:41,039we've had contact as you've hadcontact with the deaf.21700:14:41,730 --> 00:14:44,730Yeah, I posted an issue on thaton that repo. And he fixed it21800:14:44,730 --> 00:14:50,640within like, you know, an hourhe she? He isn't his? Yeah.21900:14:51,210 --> 00:14:53,400Yeah. No, he's Johnny on the22000:14:53,399 --> 00:14:56,879spot. Now, what is this otherapp that is boosting with a22100:14:56,879 --> 00:14:58,139whole bunch of zeros22200:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,400That might be the bug app. Thebug app. Yeah. When you just22300:15:05,460 --> 00:15:11,520have a bug in your code? I don'tknow. I have no idea. I can't22400:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,860imagine anybody's actuallysending a boost with the app22500:15:13,860 --> 00:15:15,600name set to 1000 zeros.22600:15:15,749 --> 00:15:17,159Yeah. Okay. All right.22700:15:18,119 --> 00:15:19,559I will dig and find out that,22800:15:20,219 --> 00:15:23,759well, good work, we got to workon the fix. And now we have now22900:15:23,789 --> 00:15:28,889we have to wait until untilUmbro updates are due at this23000:15:28,889 --> 00:15:31,439time for their next release orsomething for us to update23100:15:31,439 --> 00:15:34,649within their app, because that'skind of a slow shady process.23200:15:35,159 --> 00:15:38,609Well, you were the last in thetesting chain, to make sure that23300:15:38,609 --> 00:15:41,519things didn't break. So now thatI know that it works good on23400:15:41,519 --> 00:15:44,039yours. And then I will23500:15:44,429 --> 00:15:48,419tell you, you, you do a pullrequest to them. And then they23600:15:48,449 --> 00:15:50,369do that when they are ready.23700:15:51,210 --> 00:15:54,210Yeah, well, I have to re uploadthe Docker image because I just23800:15:54,270 --> 00:15:57,000did it under the latest branch.So that's all wrong. So I'll23900:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,810have to just off to re upload,make a new build a new Docker24000:16:00,810 --> 00:16:04,170image, tag it correctly forDocker Hub, and then post a PR24100:16:04,170 --> 00:16:05,340on their on their repo.24200:16:05,460 --> 00:16:09,570So we have so much to do I knowthat I think so there's a new UI24300:16:09,570 --> 00:16:11,220that who's working on the UI24400:16:12,030 --> 00:16:18,930for help Ed? Yeah, Khalil is theguy on podcast index. And now he24500:16:19,380 --> 00:16:26,610built a lot of the UI. But I'm,I'm going to get a lot of the24600:16:27,390 --> 00:16:32,910guts first and then go put thenew UI UI on. So like, because24700:16:32,910 --> 00:16:35,910we still need some stuff, westill need a streams endpoint so24800:16:35,910 --> 00:16:37,890that you can pull out thestreams instead of just the24900:16:37,890 --> 00:16:45,450boosts and we also need a CSVexport. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah.25000:16:47,250 --> 00:16:48,420It makes you weak in the knees.25100:16:48,450 --> 00:16:52,110Yes, it does. Because the copypaste and then going through25200:16:52,110 --> 00:16:54,900meticulous because I receive awhole bunch of different like25300:16:54,900 --> 00:16:58,920for different podcasts on myUmbral you know, and some just25400:16:58,920 --> 00:17:05,070like a 1% split just just to getthe booster grams. Yeah. And so25500:17:05,850 --> 00:17:09,690it's kind of interesting. I knowthat I've reached because you25600:17:09,690 --> 00:17:13,230know, it says so many days weekyou know, there's not really a25700:17:13,230 --> 00:17:17,100time stamp if you just do a copypaste of the actual HTML screen.25800:17:17,730 --> 00:17:21,210And so and I usually I pastethat into my outliner so at25900:17:21,210 --> 00:17:24,300least it's you know, separatedby line and I can you know, tab26000:17:24,300 --> 00:17:27,870down and I can tell okay, thisis all my facts you know, if I'm26100:17:27,870 --> 00:17:31,380looking for Korean to keeprunning just shift key down, and26200:17:31,380 --> 00:17:34,230I know that it's that I'vereached the previous kind of26300:17:34,260 --> 00:17:38,940section of where I should belooking for new booster grams26400:17:38,940 --> 00:17:42,330when I hit the comic stripblogger booster, gram. Yeah,26500:17:42,660 --> 00:17:45,180he's like, so consistent. It'slike, oh, there's there's26600:17:45,180 --> 00:17:47,460commerce your block. Okay, boom,that's where we stopped there.26700:17:47,460 --> 00:17:50,910Now we can keep going. And hedoesn't show limiter. He is the26800:17:50,910 --> 00:17:55,560delimiter. He is, is thelimiter. Those things?26900:17:55,950 --> 00:18:01,380So do you want this as as anOPML? Export or CSV?27000:18:02,880 --> 00:18:11,130Yes. I think it's more it'sprobably more appropriate for if27100:18:11,130 --> 00:18:13,170it's an if you know if or27200:18:16,230 --> 00:18:20,070is this is a new age ofliberalism. This this is both27300:18:20,070 --> 00:18:20,490and27400:18:20,610 --> 00:18:24,570okay. Yes, I would love to havefor me, of course, OPML would be27500:18:24,570 --> 00:18:26,970much better because I'm, whatI'm going to do is I'm going to27600:18:26,970 --> 00:18:31,950copy the XML and OPML that'sexactly what I'm doing. So it27700:18:31,950 --> 00:18:35,640would skip a step and a wholetrip through Redmond, which27800:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,660would be appreciate I do havelibre office too, of course.27900:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,560Are you in front of or nearhelipad? Right now? Yeah, of28000:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,100course you can.28100:18:44,430 --> 00:18:48,180Actually I'm kind of what Ithought I thought I had this28200:18:48,330 --> 00:18:53,430Umbral in the value split forlike a monitor percent, but I28300:18:53,430 --> 00:18:56,370guess not because because Iwanted to have the booster grams28400:18:56,370 --> 00:18:58,170coming in while we're doing theshow.28500:19:00,180 --> 00:19:02,970I thought it was too. Is it notshowing up?28600:19:03,029 --> 00:19:07,379No. And if it was in there, it'svery possible that Hey, hold on28700:19:07,379 --> 00:19:10,019a second. What network Am I onhere? I'm on the right network.28800:19:10,049 --> 00:19:14,789Oh, here we go. Yes, I'm infront of irrelevantly check.28900:19:15,299 --> 00:19:23,429Wow, we just got 33,333 fromsigns of new growth.29000:19:24,540 --> 00:19:26,640So you're you're getting them soyeah, I29100:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,330guess so. That's weird. I don'tunderstand. But I didn't see the29200:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,850comics for Blogger one comesthrough which is odd.29300:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,950Well, I don't see you in the Idon't see in the split the UFC a29400:19:37,950 --> 00:19:43,050podcast.org which is our mainnode. Dred Scott and curio29500:19:43,050 --> 00:19:48,210caster. I don't see you there. Isee you're in NA, you have a29600:19:48,210 --> 00:19:49,170split for in a29700:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,220Yeah, but I just received aboost or 42 minutes ago. Oh,29800:19:53,220 --> 00:19:56,670hold on a second. Let me let'sgo to the source of truth Dave29900:19:56,670 --> 00:20:02,820Jones, which is the source oftruth. Truth is the RSS feed.30000:20:03,780 --> 00:20:04,170Yeah.30100:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,490Okay, hold on a second. Let melet me just I can get there30200:20:11,490 --> 00:20:16,050pretty quick. Let's take a lookand see what's in the block.30300:20:16,050 --> 00:20:19,110Yeah. Yes.30400:20:20,310 --> 00:20:24,210Oh, nothing that was all it wasany reaching. Oh, get off the30500:20:24,210 --> 00:20:27,630burner. Getting booster gramsoff the printer. Oh, they're30600:20:27,630 --> 00:20:29,340still warm. Okay,30700:20:29,340 --> 00:20:34,770so let me see what's in thevalue block. We have podcast30800:20:34,770 --> 00:20:39,180index strip, Scott curio casterand booster grant monitor. Hey,30900:20:39,180 --> 00:20:42,990the RSS feed has boosted grandmonitor that's not reflected on31000:20:43,410 --> 00:20:47,010the podcasting 2.0 API, a31100:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,680booster grant monitor is at theepisode level. The channel level31200:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,490does not have31300:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,960oh, well of course. Yeah, that'sthat would make sense. Does it?31400:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,470Yeah, because that's somethingthat that I'm just putting in31500:21:01,470 --> 00:21:03,690temporarily. And well,31600:21:03,690 --> 00:21:06,240yeah. Well, if you're onlyputting it in at the episode31700:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,880level anyway, then you're gonnahave to it's gonna override the31800:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,690channel anyway.31900:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,360Yeah, well, that's that's what Imean. Okay, now, okay. I gotcha.32000:21:12,390 --> 00:21:15,360That makes sense. Yeah. It's notat the podcast level. Yeah.32100:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,750That's just like real monitor.That's why it's really32200:21:18,750 --> 00:21:21,000cold in this room. And I'mcurrently hugging a stack of32300:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,890booster grams, because they justcame out of the printer. And32400:21:22,890 --> 00:21:23,460they're warm.32500:21:25,950 --> 00:21:30,540Yes. Oh, you know what? It couldalso be? Because I'm pretty sure32600:21:30,540 --> 00:21:34,470I put it. It's almost I shouldput it in the at the channel32700:21:34,470 --> 00:21:39,300level. But it's a 1% fee of thewhole thing. Right? It may not32800:21:39,300 --> 00:21:41,970be getting through, sometimesbecause of fees.32900:21:42,750 --> 00:21:45,240Oh, it just the fees justobliterate the booster. Yeah,33000:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,270I think so that's possible tosending it to my note, depending33100:21:48,270 --> 00:21:50,040on where you're coming from. Ican see that.33200:21:50,490 --> 00:21:55,140So when I was testing lastnight, I was sending. I just had33300:21:55,140 --> 00:21:59,130to read a shell script to sendbooster grams with with whatever33400:21:59,130 --> 00:22:00,000JSON? Yes.33500:22:00,539 --> 00:22:03,149No agenda in there. Thanks forthat. Yes.33600:22:03,959 --> 00:22:08,669So I was just hitting this thingover and over with every crazy33700:22:08,669 --> 00:22:14,219malformed piece of JSON I couldthink of and every one of them.33800:22:14,579 --> 00:22:18,959But and I was putting it in forlike eight sets each. And every33900:22:18,959 --> 00:22:23,699one for some weird reason. Iswas routing through Dave Jackson34000:22:23,699 --> 00:22:31,169School of podcasting node. Whichis funny because I like I was34100:22:31,169 --> 00:22:39,179sending it from my Umbral to myvoltage node. And I have a34200:22:39,179 --> 00:22:43,829direct I have a channel betweenmyself and volt, that they share34300:22:43,829 --> 00:22:46,439a channel but for some reason itwas routing it through Dave34400:22:46,439 --> 00:22:47,099Jackson says,34500:22:47,370 --> 00:22:52,080Well, maybe Dave Jackson has azero fee is zero fee.34600:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,200Now, I highly respect DaveJackson's technology jobs. But34700:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,190I'm gonna suspect the heat doesnot know how to set his channel34800:23:02,190 --> 00:23:04,080for his to zero.34900:23:07,170 --> 00:23:11,640I mean, oh, man, I think youunderestimate maybe35000:23:11,850 --> 00:23:14,910Jackson. Maybe the backupsingers did it for him. And35100:23:16,470 --> 00:23:20,550it's Dave Jackson. And theJackson nets everybody. Yes,35200:23:20,700 --> 00:23:26,490exactly. Well, I'm super superhappy with heli pad. It is a35300:23:26,490 --> 00:23:29,610beautiful piece of software.It's opening people's eyes. I35400:23:29,610 --> 00:23:34,230love how podcasters arepromoting it. You're already35500:23:34,230 --> 00:23:40,050seeing people doing some coolstuff with it was a dead GG. GG35600:23:40,050 --> 00:23:44,430putting on the webpage. Yeah,that's some cool stuff that35700:23:44,430 --> 00:23:48,900really is. Now we move toanother piece of tech because35800:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,210there's so much happening andI've just been kind of looking35900:23:51,210 --> 00:23:55,950at this big ball of activity. Sothe flood, it is a flood. So pod36000:23:55,950 --> 00:23:59,250ping, we got a new version,which kind of sets it up sets up36100:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,650a couple other things, includingthe LIVE TAG,36200:24:02,250 --> 00:24:06,990correct? Yes. Yes, there'sreason reason codes are in the36300:24:06,990 --> 00:24:11,190new version 1.1 that Brian andAlex really right now36400:24:11,190 --> 00:24:15,270what are the options for thereasons so the pod ping it hits?36500:24:15,270 --> 00:24:19,290The reason is it could be newfeed new episode live something36600:24:19,290 --> 00:24:20,160What else do we have?36700:24:20,730 --> 00:24:26,580Yeah, well, currently, thereasons are, update or live.36800:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,910There's your there's youroptions. If you don't include a36900:24:29,910 --> 00:24:34,320reason code, it just defaults toupdate. So that means the feed37000:24:34,320 --> 00:24:34,920just updated.37100:24:37,200 --> 00:24:43,020Yep. So not quite as expansiveas No, I mean, you know, the37200:24:43,350 --> 00:24:45,390reason take your panties off.Okay. I'm good.37300:24:46,410 --> 00:24:49,080Yeah, yeah, that one's not inthere yet. For some odd reason37400:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,510that I can't explain. The Thereason every reason code has to37500:24:54,510 --> 00:24:59,100have some, you know, it has tohave a significant support37600:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,590structure behind it. So yes, the37700:25:02,730 --> 00:25:04,770air and live isn't as Yeah, Igot it.37800:25:05,220 --> 00:25:08,820Yeah, the LIVE TAG exists now sothat that can be pushed through.37900:25:09,300 --> 00:25:17,160But what's going to happen isnow that that update, is there38000:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,950the 1.1, Hive writer, night, Idon't want to bore people let me38100:25:22,950 --> 00:25:30,300back up real quick. So, pod pingis, is the hive writer, that's38200:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,090really what pod ping that's whatit's called hive dash writer.38300:25:34,200 --> 00:25:40,680You can run your own hivewriter, and if you have hive38400:25:41,790 --> 00:25:46,860blockchain posting keys thathave been blessed by podcast38500:25:46,860 --> 00:25:47,580index,38600:25:47,670 --> 00:25:50,310then you couldn't and you canwrite them to the blockchain to38700:25:50,310 --> 00:25:51,300hive block. Yes.38800:25:51,360 --> 00:25:56,130Yeah, exactly. So what that'sthat's different from pod pink38900:25:56,160 --> 00:26:03,060cloud. It's a pod pink cloud isa service. Yes, is the service39000:26:03,060 --> 00:26:06,750that we provide in order to havean interface into hive writer39100:26:06,750 --> 00:26:09,600that people? If you don't haveposting keys, it's like39200:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,140custodial pod ping ornoncustodial. Pod ping?39300:26:13,739 --> 00:26:16,889Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah,exactly. My thoughts. Exactly.39400:26:16,919 --> 00:26:20,879Bingo. Boom shaka laka. Iscustodial pod paying is what it39500:26:20,879 --> 00:26:28,379is. or custodial hive writer.And it's a pod ping dot cloud is39600:26:28,379 --> 00:26:34,859two pieces. It's the hivewriter, and a front end and a39700:26:34,859 --> 00:26:39,659web front end. So the web frontend currently does not. Since39800:26:39,659 --> 00:26:42,179this is new, and the high writerjust got updated. The web front39900:26:42,179 --> 00:26:47,279end for piping cloud does nothave a way for you to send the40000:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,249reason codes to it so that itcan pass them to high writer.40100:26:50,819 --> 00:26:53,279Got it. Now is my next step.Just40200:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,710the web server running its ownseparate thread though.40300:26:56,699 --> 00:27:00,059Yes, yes, it does. Okay. It'salso multi threaded.40400:27:00,150 --> 00:27:02,970Oh, very nice. Yes. Okay. Justchecking if you guys are on the40500:27:02,970 --> 00:27:03,390ball.40600:27:04,050 --> 00:27:10,500Yes, web Web. Neat. Maybeinteresting. Part, the piping40700:27:10,500 --> 00:27:19,380front end, accepts acceptsupdates, feed URLs, through40800:27:19,410 --> 00:27:24,450through through a get request,takes the URL immediately puts40900:27:24,450 --> 00:27:31,890it into a SQLite database. Andthen there's a separate thread41000:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,280that checks the SQLite databasefor URLs on a timer every few41100:27:38,280 --> 00:27:44,460seconds and posts them to hivewriter to let it to let it stick41200:27:44,460 --> 00:27:47,670them on the blockchain. That'swhat's happening there. There's41300:27:47,670 --> 00:27:49,350accepting and then transmittedDo41400:27:49,350 --> 00:27:52,590we have any visibility on howmany people are using this? I41500:27:52,590 --> 00:27:55,500mean, are people identifyingwhen they when they hit if they41600:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,380hit the pod pink cloud or thepot? If they're using pod ping41700:27:58,380 --> 00:28:01,890writer? Is there any identity?Who was who was sending an41800:28:01,890 --> 00:28:06,180update? Other than you know, thethe feed URLs, it kind of gets41900:28:06,180 --> 00:28:07,260given away? But42000:28:07,830 --> 00:28:10,710well, there's a there's a useragent that passed along with it.42100:28:10,710 --> 00:28:12,810That's a requirement. It has tohave a user agent42200:28:12,989 --> 00:28:15,989and just the user agent chargeticket prices, or how does that42300:28:15,989 --> 00:28:16,199go?42400:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,630Yes, yes, the user agent is theone in charge of you. I42500:28:21,630 --> 00:28:23,850should just do that. I shouldjust take everything you say42600:28:23,850 --> 00:28:26,580literally, but not about codeand just the English language42700:28:26,580 --> 00:28:29,730and ask questions about that.That's how that's how normies42800:28:29,730 --> 00:28:33,690listen to this. Yes, I may sayif I can if I can put myself42900:28:33,690 --> 00:28:35,430outside of normally dumb for amoment.43000:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,720Okay, speaking of normies I wason this dis dis workshop43100:28:39,750 --> 00:28:40,710yesterday teach Oh,43200:28:40,710 --> 00:28:44,580this is the fam the fam thingwas the fan pod. What was it?43300:28:44,880 --> 00:28:51,840Defense magazine, defense E S D's, Fe mes43400:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,620de femmes magazine. Okay, whatis this? And how did you get43500:28:55,620 --> 00:28:56,520roped into this?43600:28:57,030 --> 00:29:02,730So, well, I got roped into itthrough Roy scheinfeld. He, he43700:29:02,730 --> 00:29:08,100says, you know, hey, this, thislady's looking for you. And so43800:29:08,130 --> 00:29:11,970anyway, we talked to her and shehas started this defense thing,43900:29:12,060 --> 00:29:16,080which is cool. It's like awomen's women's trade group.44000:29:16,530 --> 00:29:18,600Yeah, entrepreneurship. crypto.44100:29:18,630 --> 00:29:21,330I'm all for that. Yeah, I thinkthat's good.44200:29:21,870 --> 00:29:24,030Yeah, it's a really cool thingand they're doing some neat44300:29:24,030 --> 00:29:27,900stuff like they're they're athey are a DA Oh, but not on the44400:29:27,900 --> 00:29:28,590Ethereum44500:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,860a Dow $1 A day how are theydoing the Dow44600:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,470they're only Adele financiallyso like they're they're doing it44700:29:37,470 --> 00:29:39,480through through multi SIGwallets.44800:29:39,509 --> 00:29:42,359Okay, all right. Okay, that'sperfect. That's probably even44900:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,659better than some of theseAetherium things.45000:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,950Yes, she said they have a fiveby five multi SIG please don't45100:29:49,950 --> 00:29:53,850email me about me being wrongthat eath is great, please. It's45200:29:53,850 --> 00:29:55,860not necessary. Don't care.45300:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,690Animate career.com They so theThe workshop was about like45400:30:03,690 --> 00:30:09,060Bitcoin and is a little bit of amisunderstanding on my part. So45500:30:09,060 --> 00:30:13,140I'm thinking, I thought what myrole was there was to explain,45600:30:13,140 --> 00:30:17,730like, give the tech side andshow how to how this all works45700:30:17,790 --> 00:30:23,610like with the all of podcasting2.0 Because I see that they're45800:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,850big for value. Okay, yeah, cuzthey seem to be heavy on Bitcoin45900:30:26,850 --> 00:30:28,680here. Look at the website. Okay.46000:30:29,190 --> 00:30:32,160I think the thing was like, itwas like How to Earn Bitcoin46100:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,530with your podcast or something.Oh, okay. Right. Make46200:30:34,530 --> 00:30:35,550sense? Yeah. Yeah, I'm46300:30:35,550 --> 00:30:37,710like, Okay, here's how it works.Here's your onboarding, all that46400:30:37,710 --> 00:30:42,840kind of stuff. But it so it, itturns out there was not exactly46500:30:43,770 --> 00:30:47,520that I was a little too techheavy. So I prepared a lot of46600:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,480slides that46700:30:49,199 --> 00:30:52,259Was it anything like the first11 minutes of this podcast?46800:30:52,259 --> 00:30:55,379Because then I can understandthat they might not have hit the46900:30:55,379 --> 00:30:55,889mark.47000:30:56,219 --> 00:31:01,589It was one notch low ledge down.Okay. From this. Yes. Yes. Yes.47100:31:01,649 --> 00:31:08,039So, I mean, you know, I, I amfairly typically good about47200:31:08,069 --> 00:31:13,019about kind of speaking Normie.I'm usually multilingual that47300:31:13,019 --> 00:31:17,189way. But evidently, I was justlike, over by SAS, because she47400:31:17,189 --> 00:31:20,399stopped me about five minutesinto it. She was like, Hey, this47500:31:20,399 --> 00:31:20,999is great.47600:31:22,650 --> 00:31:27,540I've been this. I've had thishappen, you know, you don't even47700:31:27,540 --> 00:31:31,230have to continue. I want to hearit though. This is a natural47800:31:31,230 --> 00:31:35,490progression. When when when whenyou're an evangelist, which what47900:31:35,490 --> 00:31:38,970you are, you're an evangelist,and and rightly so as the pod48000:31:38,970 --> 00:31:43,380sage because here we are,created this crap. But yeah,48100:31:43,380 --> 00:31:47,790it's very, and I have this allthe time. And Tina, luckily, I48200:31:47,790 --> 00:31:52,980mean, she will text me. Backoff, you're missing it. You know48300:31:52,980 --> 00:31:57,390if it's a live thing, right?Yeah, it happens. Okay, so hey,48400:31:57,660 --> 00:31:59,850wait, no, no, you got it. No,you got to do the scene. Come48500:31:59,850 --> 00:32:02,250on. I want to hear it. I want tohear the pain you went through.48600:32:03,090 --> 00:32:06,060Hey, oh, Dave, can I just can Ijust ask you to stop for a48700:32:06,060 --> 00:32:12,300second? Yeah, um, maybe youcould speak English.48800:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,890It was not that bad. She was notshe was not that rookie. So the48900:32:19,890 --> 00:32:24,600problem here is I didn't have awing man. Like you have Tina.49000:32:25,260 --> 00:32:27,660Nobody was watching this to textme. That's why49100:32:27,660 --> 00:32:31,920there's two of us, Dave Jones.Um, but okay, you went, you went49200:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,560rogue. Oh, you Oh, I wasn'tinvited. Yes, exactly. I wasn't49300:32:34,560 --> 00:32:34,890invited.49400:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,730And so she said, Hey, man, maybeyou could like, show, like,49500:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,590speak to how you like to dothis, or how you implement it.49600:32:46,890 --> 00:32:50,550Like she was trying to say, canyou get through all the get49700:32:50,550 --> 00:32:52,380through all this stuff you'resaying right now and kind of49800:32:52,380 --> 00:32:53,430like jump to the end. So49900:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,910you went to slide 13? Which ispodcast or wallet?50000:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,990Yes. I went to Well, I was onslide 13 when I jumped forward50100:33:00,990 --> 00:33:07,980to slide 33. So I skipped halfthe presentation. But anyway, so50200:33:08,310 --> 00:33:10,950I want this slide deck. Man,this sounds like a great deck50300:33:10,980 --> 00:33:15,180that you can pick and pick andpoke and pick from to suit the50400:33:15,180 --> 00:33:15,930audience.50500:33:16,530 --> 00:33:21,300Yeah, well, you know, the onlythe only cool thing to come out50600:33:21,300 --> 00:33:25,260of this, as far as we know, forme, I think is that I now at50700:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,260least have the slides that I cando this presentation at like50800:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,410podcast moving or something. Sowhat I needed to have, this50900:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,240is something that we canpublish, and people can use it51000:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,140themselves.51100:33:38,940 --> 00:33:41,130Sorta, but that gives themagical way. I want them to have51200:33:41,130 --> 00:33:44,220to come and watch and fallasleep in front51300:33:44,219 --> 00:33:46,379of me. Sorry, I didn't knowabout you, Dave. I thought it51400:33:46,379 --> 00:33:46,619was for51500:33:46,620 --> 00:33:48,660broadcasting things about me.51600:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,580Wait a minute, there's no roombecause there's me. You can't51700:33:53,580 --> 00:33:54,510see about you.51800:33:54,780 --> 00:33:57,180He should have been about youyesterday, because being about51900:33:57,180 --> 00:33:58,140me was a disaster.52000:33:59,430 --> 00:34:02,520Right? I would have gladlyjumped on that grenade for you,52100:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,660brother. I don't have52200:34:03,660 --> 00:34:07,320your chops. I don't have yourchops to go in front. Like I52300:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,110have Halle and survive Haertel45 minutes. I52400:34:10,109 --> 00:34:13,379tell you my most embarrassingmoment ever when it came to a52500:34:13,379 --> 00:34:16,979technology presentation. And Idon't remember where this was.52600:34:16,979 --> 00:34:20,879But it was a corporate thing. Itwas a big corporate event. And a52700:34:20,879 --> 00:34:23,579buddy of mine was producingcorporate events a big52800:34:23,579 --> 00:34:28,409corporation and I'm someone mayremember us with a stage and52900:34:28,409 --> 00:34:31,049with rigging and everything. Andthey wanted me to show the53000:34:31,049 --> 00:34:34,979future of the internet. And thisis early. This is the early days53100:34:34,979 --> 00:34:38,159right when Katie Couric wasstill like email, we can get53200:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,829something called electronicmail. So that's how long ago53300:34:40,829 --> 00:34:43,619this was come up and sit on mylap kids. Let me tell you a53400:34:43,619 --> 00:34:49,289story. And so I at the time,this is way before podcasting.53500:34:49,289 --> 00:34:53,339This is 90s early 90s. I'm like,I'm going to show the M bone.53600:34:54,630 --> 00:34:57,630Now the M Chem bone. I rememberthat was the53700:34:57,630 --> 00:35:02,280multicast backbone. And it waswas a multicast your53800:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,630multicasting packets across, youknow, basically a virtual53900:35:06,630 --> 00:35:11,640network of connected networksegments and nodes. So that, you54000:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,130know, it was efficient. Itwasn't like, you know, because54100:35:14,130 --> 00:35:17,100of course in those days, hey, Igot a T one to the office for54200:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,6201000 people you know, that'sthat's kind of the level of54300:35:19,620 --> 00:35:23,190bandwidth that we had. And itworked really well, you could do54400:35:23,190 --> 00:35:27,870high, high level quality stuff.And of course, this really only54500:35:27,870 --> 00:35:33,870worked on on Unix computers. Sowe had, we were Sun Microsystems54600:35:34,020 --> 00:35:38,760ad set up for computers, youknow, with mirrors, 90s, right54700:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,390mirroring screens, and twoprojectors, so the audience can54800:35:42,390 --> 00:35:45,570see it. And you had all thesedifferent universities around54900:35:45,570 --> 00:35:49,020the country who were going topop up on the M bone. And55000:35:49,020 --> 00:35:49,440laughing55100:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,110because it's the exact samething. There's no way to explain55200:35:52,110 --> 00:35:55,290this in a way that no peopleunderstand.55300:35:55,380 --> 00:35:59,370No, no, it What do you mean,there's no way to explain how it55400:35:59,370 --> 00:36:00,090worked? Or55500:36:00,210 --> 00:36:04,860no, I mean, like, there's, it's,it's so cut this is trying to55600:36:05,460 --> 00:36:09,870say, basically, we were this, wewere doing zoom in 1993.55700:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,620Yeah. And it was done to conveythat to normies is impossible.55800:36:13,650 --> 00:36:16,230Well, you had to and you had tokind of like tell the whole55900:36:16,230 --> 00:36:19,650internet, hey, we're gonna dothis shit now because, you know,56000:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,440we're the M bone. Because it wasa big deal to pump this this56100:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,320much. And it was color to topump this much data through. So56200:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,890okay, so now imagine so there'sa stage the stage is big enough56300:36:31,890 --> 00:36:35,310for a band, you know, it's gotthe black backdrop. It's got the56400:36:35,310 --> 00:36:39,060chrome, flying lights andeverything. And you know, it's56500:36:39,060 --> 00:36:43,230big and I'm on a on a stagewhich has got to be about four56600:36:43,230 --> 00:36:49,260feet high, maybe higher. And soeverything set and I'm on stage56700:36:49,260 --> 00:36:53,850and then first thing happens,power goes out and comes back56800:36:53,850 --> 00:37:00,090on. Which of course, everycomputer rebooted. The whole the56900:37:00,090 --> 00:37:03,810whole em bone went down theeverything blipped for a second.57000:37:03,990 --> 00:37:08,100And then and they had all thesevery light that everything was57100:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,920resetting and the sound it was amess, right? Say okay, well,57200:37:10,980 --> 00:37:15,030we'll start over an hour. Andthen we start over and we're and57300:37:15,030 --> 00:37:17,820we're doing and I'm ready topresent it and I'm I'm57400:37:17,820 --> 00:37:21,720stretching time now. Because allthose inbound connections we'd57500:37:21,720 --> 00:37:25,830carefully set up for this earlyversion of zoom. Took a little57600:37:25,830 --> 00:37:29,730while and I'm stretching onstage and I and I step right off57700:37:29,730 --> 00:37:36,240the stage. Oh, no, four feetdown. Oh, shoot. And it because57800:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,640they didn't have white tape onthe edge of the stage.57900:37:39,270 --> 00:37:41,790Right in the pit. Like the youfall into58000:37:41,790 --> 00:37:45,870the on the side on the side nowand and I was okay. I wasn't58100:37:45,870 --> 00:37:50,550hurt. But my pride and my egowas just like this could not get58200:37:50,550 --> 00:37:54,720any worse. Yeah. And then Andthen also, okay, great. You just58300:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,000showed us what they've been whatwe've seen on Star Trek since58400:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,4501966. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah.58500:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,180It's seen that now the word innow in bone is forever58600:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,990associated with body withtrauma. Like you carry this it58700:38:09,990 --> 00:38:10,320is58800:38:10,349 --> 00:38:15,779yes, it is. It is the M bone.Gosh. I wish I wish I could58900:38:15,779 --> 00:38:19,259remember some of the people whowere doing that and explaining59000:38:19,259 --> 00:38:21,839it to me and the time59100:38:22,230 --> 00:38:24,480you had to get on the bone. Likeoh,59200:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,140yeah, no, you needed Yeah, youknow, I mean, I had a 56k frame59300:38:28,140 --> 00:38:32,490relay full time connection inNew Jersey, which was fantastic.59400:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,580You know, so I your house. Yeah.Yeah. So I could do a lot of59500:38:35,580 --> 00:38:39,090things. It was a my buddies thatdid Jack's, you know, they were59600:38:39,510 --> 00:38:42,960what is, you know, later wassold for billions of dollars.59700:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,120They were above a Chineserestaurant in Virginia59800:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,900somewhere. And they set upmtv.com which was a headless sun59900:38:48,900 --> 00:38:56,400Three server and and aworkstation. Yeah. And, and they60000:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,980had all the connections, theywere they this is early days of60100:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,400literally streaming the internettogether. So they were getting60200:39:02,430 --> 00:39:06,270you know, pipes in and they knewall the telco people to talk to60300:39:06,570 --> 00:39:10,140and you know, so the guy had todrive from Virginia to my house60400:39:10,140 --> 00:39:15,840in Jersey, and he installed a56k frame relay modem. And then60500:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,870he made some phone calls youknow up to the phone line to add60600:39:18,870 --> 00:39:21,570an extra phone line put in andthen he called somebody60700:39:21,570 --> 00:39:25,290somewhere else and that guy Jacksome things in and boom. But60800:39:25,290 --> 00:39:31,080this was when we still had 48kmodems you know, so I have a 56k60900:39:31,380 --> 00:39:32,280dedicated K61000:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,810and the positive but dedicatedit stayed on all the time. Yeah,61100:39:36,810 --> 00:39:40,410no dial up. Yeah, that'sbeautiful. We had dual dual61200:39:40,410 --> 00:39:41,340ISDN.61300:39:42,750 --> 00:39:46,140Top 28 I'm gonna have to topyou. So we have to go to the61400:39:46,140 --> 00:39:50,550North Pole. Because this isearly on ramp my company on ramp61500:39:50,550 --> 00:39:55,7709596 Our client was Molson ice,and Molson ice. We'd come up61600:39:55,770 --> 00:39:58,860with a promotion that was it waspart of our promotion, the61700:39:58,860 --> 00:40:02,220Molson ice cream Polar beachparty and there would be a61800:40:02,220 --> 00:40:06,240contest and you had to of coursehad to buy the beer. And then61900:40:07,230 --> 00:40:11,670the prize was 100 Prize winners,we'd fly you to the North Pole62000:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,840and there'll be a concert withMetallica and Courtney Love and62100:40:15,870 --> 00:40:19,680verruca salt. And we were goingto and we were going to cyber62200:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,000cast from the North Pole, cyber,which was basically see you see62300:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,530me video, right, but okay, cybercast. And we built what we62400:40:28,530 --> 00:40:36,090called the road box, and it was,I think it was 30 48k modems all62500:40:36,090 --> 00:40:40,350multiplex together, and then youand then we could pretty much at62600:40:40,350 --> 00:40:44,220least get eight or 10 phonelines. So you know, we were just62700:40:44,220 --> 00:40:47,010jacking all these phone lines inas many as we could get with62800:40:47,010 --> 00:40:51,210extension cords, you know, andand we were able to actually62900:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,480probably think we had like250k 350k throughput.63000:40:55,740 --> 00:40:59,430That is, people do notunderstand how complicated this63100:40:59,430 --> 00:41:01,530stuff used to be. Wait, becausewe did the same thing we had63200:41:01,530 --> 00:41:06,720multiplex modems for. For someof our road users when I worked63300:41:07,680 --> 00:41:15,540at the insurance companies wasprobably 9596. This is pre ISDN63400:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,560rounds around the same time Iwas doing it Sure. Yeah. And63500:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,730we'd have we'd have like, fouror five multiplex together in63600:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,460order to get as 400 access backand forth between state63700:41:26,490 --> 00:41:29,700as 400 was my client, man, webuilt our website.63800:41:30,210 --> 00:41:33,510Yeah. People just don't I mean,like, oh, we had one we had it63900:41:33,510 --> 00:41:33,810as64000:41:33,810 --> 00:41:36,780402 Oh, we'll put a web serveron it. Run it off of that64100:41:36,810 --> 00:41:39,810because of course, you know, youcan't have your web server be64200:41:39,930 --> 00:41:44,610Microsoft Internet InformationServer if your IBM as 40064300:41:44,610 --> 00:41:48,180division. Oh, my God warstories. Hey, listen, what let's64400:41:48,180 --> 00:41:51,210move forward in the world ofrail, we have gone completely64500:41:51,210 --> 00:41:56,580off the rails. Okay, well, so.But ultimately, do you think we64600:41:56,580 --> 00:41:59,490are on boarded? Anybody know?Well, the defend magazine64700:41:59,550 --> 00:42:05,250defend that this is? Maybe onealso. So there's a lady there.64800:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,630That was she said she I think ifI understood it correctly, she64900:42:09,630 --> 00:42:12,480said she was in charge of thepodcast for Wall Street beds.65000:42:12,960 --> 00:42:20,040Oh, really? All right. Nice.Well see. So going back to pod65100:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,750ping. This board meeting, whichis a public board meeting for65200:42:24,750 --> 00:42:28,260all stakeholders. It'sstakeholder capitalism,65300:42:28,260 --> 00:42:33,330everybody. Only real, like thereal stakeholder capitalism,65400:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,780like the real web three, and notsome Silicon Valley crap.65500:42:38,220 --> 00:42:41,790Stakeholders is one of thosewords that just like yes, it65600:42:41,820 --> 00:42:43,050drives me up the wall.65700:42:43,200 --> 00:42:51,930So the combo of pod ping withthe reason we call it variable,65800:42:51,990 --> 00:42:55,800reason variable, raising thereason code reason co raising65900:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,750parameter, reason parameterthere you go, which is live. A66000:43:00,780 --> 00:43:08,640hosting company contacted meWho, who, now they do streaming.66100:43:09,030 --> 00:43:11,610That's their main bread andbutter. And they have corporate66200:43:11,610 --> 00:43:15,960clients. And interestinglyenough, they have radio networks66300:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,790as clients, and they want to doa podcasting companion and66400:43:21,090 --> 00:43:26,010business to business. And butalso have another property they66500:43:26,010 --> 00:43:29,610own I will have to go unnamed.I'm sorry to be a douche. But66600:43:29,610 --> 00:43:33,180I'm not doing an NDA like Todd.No one asked me for that.66700:43:33,180 --> 00:43:40,410They're just like, no one careswhat curry knows. And in most of66800:43:40,410 --> 00:43:44,610this, in this combo, have theability to signal a live stream,66900:43:44,610 --> 00:43:48,030but also podcasts and they havea consumer side as well. And67000:43:48,030 --> 00:43:52,560this would be a completely newentrant into the space. And so67100:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,470when they contacted me, youknow, I did a little jig and67200:43:55,470 --> 00:43:59,400went, excuse me, can I pitch youon something? What if you came67300:43:59,430 --> 00:44:03,540out of the gate as the firsthosting company to implement all67400:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,520of the podcasting 2.0 features?67500:44:06,750 --> 00:44:08,910And like, what did they what wastheir response to this?67600:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,920Well, yeah, we love that idea.How do we get started? And so67700:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,010next week, we're setting up acall, don't worry, you'll get a67800:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,440new get an invite. Hey, sincewe're talking about that, too,67900:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,960this is something very odd thatthat I've seen more and more of,68000:44:24,990 --> 00:44:27,210and I wanted to know if that'ssomething you see in the68100:44:27,210 --> 00:44:31,470corporate world, or just howthis is what you're trying to68200:44:31,470 --> 00:44:34,500set up an appointment withsomeone and someone will send68300:44:34,500 --> 00:44:39,630you a link to some third partywebsite or app or whatever it is68400:44:39,900 --> 00:44:45,360a website scheduling. Yes. Andthen they give you their you can68500:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,770schedule your own time with themon their calendar on their68600:44:49,770 --> 00:44:50,490calendar.68700:44:51,060 --> 00:44:53,400Yeah, that's that's been thething for a few years. Yeah.68800:44:54,060 --> 00:44:57,150Yeah. Which is to me has alwaysbeen insane because people have68900:44:57,150 --> 00:45:00,420wanted it like with our firm andhad to go through all All this69000:45:00,420 --> 00:45:03,870due diligence to make sure thatwhat they were going to be69100:45:03,870 --> 00:45:08,760putting onto the calendar wassafe. And I mean, it's, it's69200:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,190kind of a wild west because youhave to Oh auth and all this69300:45:11,190 --> 00:45:14,820kind of jazz. I was like, Iresisted it for a very long69400:45:14,820 --> 00:45:16,410time. But no, it's the thing.69500:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,710I just find it very interesting.It's like, you know, someone69600:45:19,710 --> 00:45:23,340contacts me and says, May I havea meeting with you? And then you69700:45:23,340 --> 00:45:26,580say, Yes, pick a time. Manageme.69800:45:26,610 --> 00:45:30,000Yeah, yeah, that's Calendly Ithink. Yeah. Calendly. Yeah,69900:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,690that's it. That's, yeah, I know.Maybe I'm old school. But that's70000:45:33,690 --> 00:45:36,510a shift in, in socialintercourse.70100:45:37,349 --> 00:45:39,569It is shifting socialintercourse. That70200:45:39,630 --> 00:45:44,490very Kokesh actually, down thatroad. I find70300:45:44,490 --> 00:45:47,550that like, it's a you set thecalendar and I'll watch it70400:45:47,550 --> 00:45:48,060mostly.70500:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,230Moses did it to me. I thought,wow. Because you know, we're70600:45:52,230 --> 00:45:56,850setting up a meeting not in away, maybe it's like you make70700:45:56,850 --> 00:45:59,040everybody else your assistant, Iguess.70800:46:00,300 --> 00:46:04,560It's to me, it is always been.It's always been kind of crazy.70900:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,250Because it's like, you finallyget the inroad as a sales guy,71000:46:08,250 --> 00:46:12,480because all this stuff startswith the sales. Sales. Yeah, we71100:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,730need this because we'reconstantly inputting data and71200:46:14,730 --> 00:46:17,100creating calendar events. SoI've got an idea.71300:46:18,060 --> 00:46:19,410Sales goods, make71400:46:19,860 --> 00:46:24,900them do it. Let's make the, theguy that we just pitched to71500:46:24,900 --> 00:46:26,340let's make him do the work.71600:46:26,429 --> 00:46:30,629How lazy are they? Well, let metell you. Okay, well, that's71700:46:30,629 --> 00:46:35,429funny. So that so that was, thatwas kind of exciting. Because71800:46:35,429 --> 00:46:39,959that could be a good hybrid. Andwho knows me there's people are71900:46:39,959 --> 00:46:42,209looking for streaming stuff,too. You know, they're looking72000:46:42,209 --> 00:46:44,489for options, they are lookingfor options.72100:46:46,050 --> 00:46:48,990You know, there's a lot of stuffgoing on with with hosts. I know72200:46:48,990 --> 00:46:52,980if two things if this is likethe Todd Cochran show, because I72300:46:52,980 --> 00:46:57,210can't I can't say anything aboutit. But I just want to I just72400:46:57,210 --> 00:47:02,250want to say though, that ingeneral, that there there are72500:47:02,250 --> 00:47:08,700things happening, that are goingto be like announced that people72600:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,120are new hosting companies aredoing podcasting. 2.0 things.72700:47:12,149 --> 00:47:15,599Oh, yes. This is a very goodpoint. Actually. I would say in72800:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,649general, you're more in contactwith hosting companies than I72900:47:19,649 --> 00:47:22,799am, which is smart. Becauseeveryone who contacts me I73000:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,549immediately talk about theirshit on the show. Yeah, so maybe73100:47:26,549 --> 00:47:31,919that's a smart move. But yes, Imean, can you be as as vague as73200:47:31,919 --> 00:47:33,239I am about some stuff?73300:47:33,690 --> 00:47:37,890Oh, my vagary is level 11?Because I don't I'm not73400:47:38,130 --> 00:47:43,980actually. I know, I do know it.I'm just not gonna say it. So. I73500:47:43,980 --> 00:47:47,400mean, I just wanted to say thatjust to know, like, there's no,73600:47:47,550 --> 00:47:49,860sometimes it looks like with aproject like this, that things73700:47:49,860 --> 00:47:52,860are stagnating. Like withcomments or that kind of thing.73800:47:52,890 --> 00:47:56,700But that's really not true. It'snot nothing is stagnating, it's73900:47:56,700 --> 00:48:01,230just that people are offbuilding things. And that is74000:48:01,260 --> 00:48:05,190like, like John Spurlock, thereseemed to be a stagnation that74100:48:05,190 --> 00:48:09,210was happening with comments. Andsome of that was because John74200:48:09,210 --> 00:48:12,540was off writing software andreading specs. And74300:48:12,570 --> 00:48:15,360what exactly did he do? Becauseit looks something like, again,74400:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,090it's all this. This is what Iwas talking about this energy74500:48:18,090 --> 00:48:21,990that comes and goes and waves.And then is this relate is this74600:48:21,990 --> 00:48:25,860kind of like some code, somepackage you can put into your74700:48:25,890 --> 00:48:29,760into your app that will managepart of the activity pub74800:48:29,910 --> 00:48:30,870functionality?74900:48:31,469 --> 00:48:34,769Yeah, that seems to be exactlywhat it is. So it, it really75000:48:34,799 --> 00:48:38,909seems to be a way to easeadoption for apps nice. And75100:48:38,909 --> 00:48:42,299misunder. I was running throughthe spec this or running through75200:48:42,299 --> 00:48:45,389his documentation this morning.I misunderstood part of it. I75300:48:45,389 --> 00:48:48,779thought there was a componentfor us in there for the hosting.75400:48:49,229 --> 00:48:53,009But But no, I read after hesaid, No, I don't know what75500:48:53,009 --> 00:48:54,929you're talking about. Read readthrough it again, as I75600:48:54,929 --> 00:49:01,829understand it, now. It's it'sfor the apps to be able to allow75700:49:01,829 --> 00:49:06,569for posting comments from theapp from the app in an easier75800:49:06,569 --> 00:49:11,729way. Yeah. So I mean, it's this.This is a pretty he's he is75900:49:11,729 --> 00:49:16,109really good at writing thesemicro services, which allow sort76000:49:16,109 --> 00:49:19,889of gateway functionality. So heyou know, he wrote the web sub76100:49:19,889 --> 00:49:24,929to pod ping gate website,poppin, gateway, and in this76200:49:24,929 --> 00:49:29,609kind of thing, so he, this isgoing to be a, I think, a76300:49:29,609 --> 00:49:34,109valuable service for apps touse. Now the question is in this76400:49:34,109 --> 00:49:37,799is what I don't know the answerto yet. Because I've got this76500:49:37,799 --> 00:49:40,919stack of paper. The Get upthread on this was 10 miles long76600:49:40,919 --> 00:49:43,499as I printed it out, and I'mgoing to read it this weekend.76700:49:45,449 --> 00:49:52,499Is James Crillon had a proposalfor in this is a it's similar to76800:49:52,499 --> 00:49:55,619an old proposal. I don't know ifit's the same yet or not, but76900:49:56,609 --> 00:50:00,419the proposal to create somethinglike podcast comments.org that77000:50:00,419 --> 00:50:03,929we would run, which would besort of like a headless Mastodon77100:50:03,929 --> 00:50:10,349or something like that theywould host root posts. Now, I77200:50:10,349 --> 00:50:13,889don't know if it's exactly thesame thing as before, I just77300:50:13,889 --> 00:50:17,249haven't read it. But thatthere's, there's at least a77400:50:17,249 --> 00:50:23,489proposal out there that got somegot a lot of good feedback on us77500:50:23,489 --> 00:50:29,549hosting some sort of activitypub depository for lack of a77600:50:29,549 --> 00:50:30,359better as a77700:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,410mean, like a shim77800:50:33,180 --> 00:50:36,780is not as not really a shim, butI don't I liked it. I haven't77900:50:36,780 --> 00:50:39,030read through it fully yet,because it's a mile long, and I78000:50:39,030 --> 00:50:44,100was deep in hell a pat. So the,the idea is that we would run78100:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,000some sort of thing that somesort of instance where the root78200:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,950post for a show would live. Andthen. So I think the concept78300:50:55,950 --> 00:50:58,980here and the worry is that wewould be the worry with this78400:50:59,010 --> 00:51:01,080kind of thing. And it was at thevery beginning and Alex case78500:51:01,110 --> 00:51:04,080brought this up was that wewouldn't have to then be sucked78600:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,550into moderation of content,which we obviously clearly is a78700:51:08,550 --> 00:51:14,790no go, I mean, I'm not doingthat. But if we just simply host78800:51:14,790 --> 00:51:20,970the root post, and you combineit with mini pub, I think the78900:51:20,970 --> 00:51:26,820idea is that the the contentwould live in a place where the79000:51:26,820 --> 00:51:31,170app could moderate it, ratherthan us. And the only thing that79100:51:31,170 --> 00:51:35,310lives on our site is just theroute post. But79200:51:36,540 --> 00:51:40,350how does it what is the sourceof truth for the route post?79300:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,539It would just be the activitypub inbox, you know, for79400:51:45,539 --> 00:51:51,689whatever the route post is,whatever it aggregates. See, and79500:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,199this is where I just had to digin deeper, but like for the same79600:51:55,229 --> 00:52:01,139way that I can't post like so ifI if I I did the comments post79700:52:01,169 --> 00:52:04,259today for the show, right? Theone that you're going to put in79800:52:05,669 --> 00:52:13,469and I can't as the post owner,go and delete your reply. I79900:52:13,469 --> 00:52:18,179think is an admin could on ouron our box. I think if the80000:52:18,179 --> 00:52:19,559comment was from our box, no,80100:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,270I am as admin comments onpodcast index out social. Yeah,80200:52:24,270 --> 00:52:25,230I can delete those.80300:52:25,560 --> 00:52:32,700Yeah, but I do it all the time.Just fine. Just just laughs But80400:52:32,730 --> 00:52:36,330I can't as the post owner,because I don't I mean, I don't80500:52:36,330 --> 00:52:37,800really own the car. I don't knowyou can80600:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,310delete you can delete an ordelete and redraft. Can you not?80700:52:42,780 --> 00:52:44,700Yeah. Yeah.80800:52:44,790 --> 00:52:45,780As the post owner.80900:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,730Yes, for my post, but I can't doit. If you reply to my post. I81000:52:50,730 --> 00:52:53,220can't modify your reply in anyway.81100:52:54,240 --> 00:52:58,080Here. No, of course not in thein the thread. It should only be81200:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,910the person who made the route.Book is for my money. I wanted81300:53:02,910 --> 00:53:05,910all the sticking, you can'tremove it at all. Okay, that's81400:53:05,910 --> 00:53:08,580that's the Adam curry way ofdeveloping around the problem.81500:53:09,690 --> 00:53:13,200That's disaster. That's not butbut I know what you will. So81600:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,940the only thing I'm concernedabout is Well, exactly what Alex81700:53:17,940 --> 00:53:21,750brought up. So I don't even wantto receive a message about it.81800:53:22,290 --> 00:53:27,570You know, if if the route postsif there's Okay, so bottom line,81900:53:27,570 --> 00:53:30,180I know you haven't read throughit now. I can try.82000:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,989We're talking Yeah, we'retalking. I'm talking completely82100:53:33,989 --> 00:53:36,359out of them. So uncomfortablewith this comment. Okay.82200:53:36,659 --> 00:53:39,149Oh, please. I'm making youuncomfortable.82300:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,800I don't feel safe. Okay. Well,82400:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,930let me just let me just get itout. And you don't have to82500:53:42,930 --> 00:53:46,800answer the question. Butultimately, we hold the power82600:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,930over deleting that post thatroot post. And it root Yeah. And82700:53:51,930 --> 00:53:54,870it cannot be restored by someoneelse. If we delete it.82800:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,310Even if that would be that wouldbe my understanding. Yes.82900:53:59,369 --> 00:54:00,629Okay. Well, I don't like it.83000:54:02,310 --> 00:54:04,590Why don't you? Why don't youlike that?83100:54:05,340 --> 00:54:08,820Because then we're, we're thesource of truth. It's not you83200:54:08,820 --> 00:54:12,120know, if if we delete somethingout of someone's feed on podcast83300:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,880index on the update, it's backagain, right? Or it's or it's in83400:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,500the end. Now we become the thebottom of the tree. It's like,83500:54:19,530 --> 00:54:22,710huh, put that shit on theblockchain. Give it give it to83600:54:22,710 --> 00:54:24,780Brian of London. Let him figurethat out.83700:54:25,409 --> 00:54:28,559Well see, I think the idea hereand I'm not defending this idea83800:54:28,559 --> 00:54:28,619or83900:54:28,620 --> 00:54:30,960supporting it. No, I'm justbeing flipped into. I mean, I84000:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,540have no idea what I'm talkingabout. This is not a safe space.84100:54:33,810 --> 00:54:37,560Just, we've we're beyond that,Dave. Yes. And84200:54:40,889 --> 00:54:46,949I think that the idea here isthat this would be a some sort84300:54:46,949 --> 00:54:52,889of temporary thing to just getthe apps to sort of break the84400:54:52,889 --> 00:54:59,189chicken egg dilemma that wewould sort of blaze the trail84500:54:59,189 --> 00:55:04,829and put in pay A road and anyother wonderful metaphor that84600:55:04,829 --> 00:55:09,299you can think of to get thisthing to exist and then at some84700:55:09,299 --> 00:55:14,009point in the future, whenthey're when adoption, springs84800:55:14,009 --> 00:55:20,009forth, then we would stop. ThatThat is my understanding. But84900:55:20,130 --> 00:55:25,770you mean just just like podcastor wallet? Yeah, inserting the85000:55:25,770 --> 00:55:29,190value block, which is beingdone. From coast to coast by85100:55:29,190 --> 00:55:30,390kids everywhere now.85200:55:30,869 --> 00:55:34,379Yes. Yes, that's right. Okay, soit's the new summer85300:55:34,379 --> 00:55:35,039extravaganza.85400:55:35,490 --> 00:55:39,930And if we fall down, is there away for that to be resurrected85500:55:39,930 --> 00:55:40,800by others?85600:55:44,219 --> 00:55:44,939Maybe,85700:55:45,329 --> 00:55:49,349okay, yeah. It just put it onthe IPF just put on the IPFS.85800:55:49,349 --> 00:55:50,489That works all the time.85900:55:51,630 --> 00:55:52,710Oh, yeah. That never crashes?86000:55:53,340 --> 00:55:57,630Never crashes. Okay, I'm fine.I'm obviously I'm not, I'm86100:55:57,630 --> 00:56:00,600obviously open, we got it, wegot to think about it. It's just86200:56:00,660 --> 00:56:05,460I think the and hey, man, I'mwith James on let's get this86300:56:05,460 --> 00:56:08,370shit done already. Look at theopportunities, the time to move86400:56:08,370 --> 00:56:13,560is now I get that and I'm all inon it. But by the same token,86500:56:14,370 --> 00:56:21,960you know, I am completely onboard with this, you know,86600:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,880however, this is, if people Ijust hate this is what I get86700:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,690into? Yeah, I don't know. Idon't like to sacrifice to make86800:56:30,690 --> 00:56:34,800it easier for people to do.That's if it was, if it was86900:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,980easy, then everyone would do it.And you know, what, we've had a87000:56:37,980 --> 00:56:41,580million comments systems, it'snever really worked cross87100:56:41,580 --> 00:56:44,610platform, because we've neverreally gone through the hard87200:56:44,610 --> 00:56:48,870bit. And I feel right now thatwe're very close. And we I have87300:56:48,870 --> 00:56:51,390no idea what that means. But weneed to punch a little bit87400:56:51,390 --> 00:56:55,740further. And we're going to havesomething and I can feel it.87500:56:55,740 --> 00:56:58,200We're very close. We're so muchfurther than we were when we87600:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,640started. But it's reallyimportant. Because Because so87700:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,080much can go wrong with commentsso much. This is not an easy87800:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,800thing that we're doing. Noteasy. So it's worth it to fight87900:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,340through it.88000:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,550Hardest tag we're ever going todo. I can just yeah, that was so88100:57:14,550 --> 00:57:15,750much confidence. So it's88200:57:15,780 --> 00:57:18,930okay, you know, it has to beokay. Otherwise, it'll just be88300:57:18,930 --> 00:57:22,590another thing that a couplepeople use, you know, you see88400:57:22,590 --> 00:57:26,190the, when you see the how thetrue openness works of what88500:57:26,190 --> 00:57:29,820we've what we've accomplished sofar. It's, it makes me want to88600:57:29,820 --> 00:57:36,870cry. And when I see pod ping,and again, Brian of London's88700:57:36,870 --> 00:57:41,850gonna have it have to have hisown plaque. Because it really,88800:57:41,940 --> 00:57:45,480it really is a beautifulcreature. And you see, I mean,88900:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,590that is, if anyone just say whatwhat is really podcasting 2.089000:57:49,590 --> 00:57:52,890That's pod ping, that's that Ithink it's going to be I've said89100:57:52,890 --> 00:57:57,480it before, that is going to besuch an important beast than89200:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,570just the just, you know, it's asnake that's a serpent that just89300:58:00,570 --> 00:58:03,780will grow and live and everyonecontributes to it. And it's just89400:58:03,780 --> 00:58:07,080going to be there. And that'sthe thing and you know, anything89500:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,190I can tie into that. I believethat will will stay alive. And89600:58:11,190 --> 00:58:14,340that's that's where you can getyour true decentralization from89700:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,230now, I'm not saying throw theroot post on on the on the hive89800:58:19,230 --> 00:58:24,810blockchain. But I think we haveenough. We have enough of the89900:58:24,810 --> 00:58:26,700right energies to come up with asolution.90000:58:28,290 --> 00:58:31,560I think I think we're reallyclose to and we just got to get,90100:58:32,010 --> 00:58:36,480we've got to get this right.Because it's just, I don't care90200:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,250if it takes another year. Yeah,it just has to be right. Because90300:58:41,250 --> 00:58:44,700if you don't do it, right, andit fails, then you've you've not90400:58:44,700 --> 00:58:49,440only wasted everybody's time,but you've also soured the90500:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,180industry on yet another thing,so I just I just as long as it90600:58:54,180 --> 00:58:58,920takes, that's fine. As long Ijust want the end result to be90700:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,630correct. You know, quote,unquote, yeah, yes. And do it90800:59:03,630 --> 00:59:08,190the right way in. So I think wedon't have a guest next week. So90900:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,640I'm gonna, I will be much betterprepared to speak about this91000:59:11,640 --> 00:59:11,850next.91100:59:11,880 --> 00:59:18,660Okay, cool. Two other updatesfor the board. It's personal91200:59:18,660 --> 00:59:19,650privilege to speak.91300:59:19,770 --> 00:59:20,880recognized. Thank91400:59:20,880 --> 00:59:27,750you. Um, again, through this,through this effort, this board91500:59:27,750 --> 00:59:32,190meeting, I was contacted by adifferent hardware manufacturer91600:59:32,190 --> 00:59:37,980of fine audio products. Ooh, whoapproached me with a very direct91700:59:37,980 --> 00:59:46,470approach. Hey, wait, we wereHey, hey, it's like LF G. Adam91800:59:46,470 --> 00:59:48,840curry signature model. Let'sbuild it.91900:59:49,290 --> 00:59:55,380Seriously? Yeah. Right out ofthe gate. Yeah. Nice. Who is who92000:59:55,380 --> 00:59:57,090is it? Yeah, no, no, no, no.92100:59:58,619 --> 01:00:01,619I haven't eaten We're gonnaspeak next week. So92201:00:01,829 --> 01:00:05,309let me the Todd Cochran honoraryshow. Oh, yeah, totally.92301:00:05,340 --> 01:00:09,960I'm not under NDA. I just Idon't want to I don't want I92401:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,810don't want anyone else going tothem before me,92501:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,410okay? Does it does it come withan is it an Umbral note too?92601:00:17,159 --> 01:00:22,979With with not well okay, so theyspecialize in DSP mixer so92701:00:22,979 --> 01:00:28,439digital signal processing so inessence you know mini computers92801:00:28,919 --> 01:00:33,779why the hell not? Why the hellnot built build the build a92901:00:33,779 --> 01:00:39,419little Umbro? I mean the Omroeppoly crappy that's a very cool93001:00:39,419 --> 01:00:43,529idea dead Jones I like that wethat could be a true all in one93101:00:43,529 --> 01:00:44,189box93201:00:44,310 --> 01:00:46,980demote it has the little screenit kind of looks like an93301:00:46,980 --> 01:00:48,600umbrella already. Just say93401:00:48,630 --> 01:00:56,010Yeah. Huh? I mean, this thisthing I think this one you think93501:00:56,010 --> 01:01:00,330what I have in mind, it's moreof a of a brick. And you and you93601:01:00,330 --> 01:01:06,870run it all from the from thecomputer. So it would have a web93701:01:06,870 --> 01:01:07,410server93801:01:08,699 --> 01:01:11,699that they're going to take yourthey're going to take your input93901:01:11,699 --> 01:01:13,919and just and build the same andbuild this thing94001:01:13,949 --> 01:01:18,479build it finally build thisthing. Yes. And they have DSP94101:01:18,479 --> 01:01:22,769modules with modeling and allthat you know, so they have and94201:01:22,769 --> 01:01:26,219it's all real time. But it justseems like they they're they can94301:01:26,219 --> 01:01:28,649quickly put together packageslike that's kind of what they94401:01:28,649 --> 01:01:33,809do. So yeah, it's not heard thembefore but they they work and94501:01:33,809 --> 01:01:38,099they do musicians but out of thegate like oh man, I hear you94601:01:38,099 --> 01:01:41,459with the game or verse in thepodcast or gear. Let's do it94701:01:41,459 --> 01:01:44,639Adam curry Signature Edition LFG Okay.94801:01:46,230 --> 01:01:48,180It's like you've caught myattention.94901:01:48,240 --> 01:01:54,390Yeah, very cool. We continue tohave contact with our on ramp on95001:01:54,390 --> 01:02:00,300ramp to Toshi fountain partnerdid you know this I still don't95101:02:00,300 --> 01:02:04,770want to mention who it is didyou see their their process95201:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,550graph that that they posted forus to look at how it's supposed95301:02:08,550 --> 01:02:14,190to work as I honestly Dave Ilooked at it and I want my eyes95401:02:14,190 --> 01:02:15,420rolled back in my head.95501:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,110It's in the stack okay, it's inthis is in the stack of stuff95601:02:19,140 --> 01:02:24,060this will emerge on Sundaynight. A new man with much more95701:02:24,060 --> 01:02:26,340knowledge than I have right nowon many topics.95801:02:26,550 --> 01:02:29,430And we need Hey, you know peopleyou need to like we need about95901:02:29,430 --> 01:02:33,840$100,000 a year so Dave canleave this job of his to do this96001:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,870full time. Do you imagine howmuch we can squeeze out of this96101:02:36,870 --> 01:02:40,320mofo if we if we have all of hisattention squeezed96201:02:42,239 --> 01:02:43,919so free pops out the other side.96301:02:44,280 --> 01:02:49,170What I what I most admire aboutyou Dave Jones, is how you you96401:02:49,170 --> 01:02:56,880shepherd the project how youyour stern yet yet warm. You're96501:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,930able to know you, you you putyour foot down when necessary,96601:03:00,930 --> 01:03:03,630but even when you put your footdown, it's like, it's like the96701:03:03,630 --> 01:03:10,080soft giant with his sandal intothe moss. And, and, and, and I96801:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,430really enjoy watching you.You're managing the project96901:03:14,460 --> 01:03:18,150overall, because you're you'revery good with people.97001:03:18,750 --> 01:03:21,030I love you. But you're gonnahave to go to your room without97101:03:21,030 --> 01:03:21,420supper.97201:03:21,449 --> 01:03:27,419Yeah, kind of like that. No, butit's very, very admirable. It's97301:03:28,799 --> 01:03:31,829sadly Of course, thatimmediately made me think please97401:03:31,829 --> 01:03:37,139give me the passwords because ifyou die, We're so screwed. If I97501:03:37,139 --> 01:03:40,319die, it's like okay, smoke myashes and we're good to go. But97601:03:40,319 --> 01:03:43,319you know, we need we needed weneeded a disaster plan at this97701:03:43,319 --> 01:03:46,289point. I don't care what you doput it in escrow?97801:03:46,770 --> 01:03:51,030No, that's my that's my. That'smy getting my insurance.97901:03:51,300 --> 01:03:55,830I just have this horriblenightmare. Melissa calls me and98001:03:55,830 --> 01:04:00,540I'm like, Oh, crap. And then I'man okay, you know, let me tell98101:04:00,540 --> 01:04:03,000you what the only thing I couldthink of to do. I mean,98201:04:03,210 --> 01:04:06,990obviously, besides calling Eric,you know what I would do? I98301:04:06,990 --> 01:04:08,340would call Alex gates.98401:04:09,869 --> 01:04:12,809This is my insurance for whenyou replace me with Alice gates.98501:04:12,899 --> 01:04:15,359This is not it? I'm the one thatknows the passwords.98601:04:15,719 --> 01:04:18,299Can I can I give you $100,000 ayear to just give me the98701:04:18,299 --> 01:04:20,159password so we feel better aboutit.98801:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,490negotiable. Okay. I know98901:04:23,490 --> 01:04:26,010because you probably make 250 atthat place so I understand the99001:04:26,010 --> 01:04:26,460problem.99101:04:26,790 --> 01:04:33,900It Yes sir. That's That's funny.We got a blip.99201:04:34,710 --> 01:04:39,690Did you see that? Blip? Yeah,we're officially blipped. No a99301:04:39,690 --> 01:04:40,740blip what does it blip?99401:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,810It is a Bitcoin lightningimprovement proposal.99501:04:47,130 --> 01:04:53,310Oh, this is for the TLV record.Yes. Yeah, very cool. V99601:04:53,310 --> 01:04:55,890is now an official blip. It'sblip number 10.99701:04:55,949 --> 01:05:00,719Nice. So this has to go throughsome formal review process. And99801:05:00,719 --> 01:05:04,529it's done. Oh, we're done that.They did the review process.99901:05:04,559 --> 01:05:04,859Yeah. I100001:05:04,860 --> 01:05:06,840think Ron Gentry just said, Hey,it's done.100101:05:06,900 --> 01:05:10,020Okay. Well, thank you. Ryan.Have you heard from Ryan Gentry?100201:05:10,020 --> 01:05:11,550I haven't heard from him a longtime.100301:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,570Now. Once you left Austin, hedisowned. You know,100401:05:15,660 --> 01:05:18,840once he got everything he neededout of us, he dropped us like a100501:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,740hot potato. We were we were thehot chickie of the day. And he's100601:05:22,740 --> 01:05:26,010like, Oh, hey, okay, this isgreat. Let me introduce you to100701:05:26,010 --> 01:05:29,850the team. And then of course, wemade fun of the CEO talking100801:05:29,850 --> 01:05:33,180like, a million miles an hourand then never heard from Ryan,100901:05:33,180 --> 01:05:34,290again. He hates me101001:05:34,290 --> 01:05:36,780Come on. I mean, to be fair, hisname is rosebay.101101:05:38,730 --> 01:05:42,360You kind of take it as kind ofthe marketing, right? I agree. I101201:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,890agree. Anyway, so yes. So theyare serious, they are moving101301:05:46,890 --> 01:05:50,190forward. And this would be for,you know, if you want to onboard101401:05:50,190 --> 01:05:56,070someone from the app, from anapp, then you would sign up. And101501:05:56,070 --> 01:05:59,160that and I think that whatthey're working on, or what they101601:05:59,190 --> 01:06:03,150more or less completed, is thatthey can do a light KYC. So they101701:06:03,150 --> 01:06:06,300can kind of immediately approveyou because it all be under you101801:06:06,300 --> 01:06:09,630know, whatever. $1,000 orwhatever it is, but then they101901:06:09,630 --> 01:06:14,190can then we're kind of workingon the technical and the flow of102001:06:14,580 --> 01:06:20,010dropping the $5 in SATs intothat user's wallet who just on102101:06:20,010 --> 01:06:23,280boarded right away. Well, youknow, their account and anything102201:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,080they want to do with Bitcoin isprocessing.102301:06:25,980 --> 01:06:29,940Yes, I think what? I seen thisbefore, and I think it was with102401:06:29,940 --> 01:06:33,990a game, some sort of lightningbased game that may have been.102501:06:35,610 --> 01:06:38,430What's the name of that? Does itthunder games? I think that's a102601:06:38,430 --> 01:06:43,140lightning based game. Come?Yeah. Yeah. So I think what102701:06:43,140 --> 01:06:46,080they've done or if it may havebeen them, or somebody else is,102801:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,850they've done this progressiveKYC it seems to be a thing.102901:06:50,850 --> 01:06:54,420That's, that's acceptable. Soit's like, okay, if I'm going to103001:06:54,420 --> 01:06:59,580put $10 in this account, then Ididn't just an email. It's103101:06:59,580 --> 01:07:04,110enough. If I'm going to put ayou know, $150 in here, then103201:07:04,110 --> 01:07:07,800maybe I'm correct. Yeah, number.Exactly. It's progressive.103301:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,890You're right. Yeah. And if Iwant to drop five grand in here,103401:07:10,890 --> 01:07:13,560you're going to need socialsecurity and, and more it just103501:07:13,560 --> 01:07:19,740progressed. And if if they'reable to get that done, where103601:07:19,740 --> 01:07:21,840it's like, okay, well, I mean,it's less than 100 bucks, who103701:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,460cares? We'll be we can just dealwith an email address. That's,103801:07:26,610 --> 01:07:30,570that's a biggie, that's a reallybig help to onboarding if, if103901:07:30,570 --> 01:07:34,590they can Okay, it, you know,with their financials, you know,104001:07:34,650 --> 01:07:37,530or ties or whatever they'redoing that.104101:07:37,620 --> 01:07:39,960Yeah, it seems like seems likethey're getting positive104201:07:39,960 --> 01:07:40,890feedback on that.104301:07:41,670 --> 01:07:45,150It makes sense. You know, Ericis laughing right now, because I104401:07:45,150 --> 01:07:46,650always say, hey, this makessense to me.104501:07:47,490 --> 01:07:51,660No, yeah. Did you see page 1428of this bill proposal that came104601:07:51,660 --> 01:07:52,860from this douchebag.104701:07:54,719 --> 01:07:58,169All morning, Erica's signal itput no signal? Like these104801:07:58,169 --> 01:08:00,539horrible things about Chrislike, we're all gonna104901:08:00,540 --> 01:08:05,760die. We're all gonna die. We'regonna be poor in jail, or both?105001:08:05,940 --> 01:08:09,810Yes. That's what he does. That'swhat he's supposed to do. I love105101:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,440this job.105201:08:10,500 --> 01:08:15,030I love him for it. Yeah, but tome, it makes perfect sense. And105301:08:15,030 --> 01:08:18,540I'm sure if I'm just gonna popfive bucks into an account. I105401:08:18,540 --> 01:08:22,800mean, really? Do I need to giveyou like, my blood type? And, I105501:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,810mean, it's, it's five bucks.105601:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,780But again, remember the firstfive bucks, you don't have to105701:08:27,780 --> 01:08:32,220spend anything? That's your giftfrom the company? True? Yes. And105801:08:32,220 --> 01:08:35,430that's kind of cool. Because Iknow they'll they'll eventually105901:08:35,430 --> 01:08:40,410stop that. I would think maybe,but maybe, but maybe not, you106001:08:40,410 --> 01:08:44,160know, if basically, theircustomer acquisition costs would106101:08:44,160 --> 01:08:50,340be $5. In today's world that canbe very cheap for a product106201:08:50,340 --> 01:08:52,950where someone may be buyinghundreds of dollars of Bitcoin.106301:08:53,940 --> 01:08:56,520I mean, look at that, comparedto customer acquisition costs on106401:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,980something like Spotify. Oh,yeah.106501:08:58,980 --> 01:09:01,200I'm sure that's much higher. Oh,yeah.106601:09:01,230 --> 01:09:03,570I mean, that's that's a lot ofload right there speaking.106701:09:03,750 --> 01:09:11,760Speaking of we see now who, whoI'm going to declare my genius106801:09:11,820 --> 01:09:16,350that Spotify when I said a fewweeks ago that Spotify will106901:09:16,350 --> 01:09:20,400never drop Joe Rogan. They can'tafford to drop Joe Rogan. He is107001:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,870the most important key to theirentire podcasting platform. And107101:09:24,870 --> 01:09:27,600you can see that easily by thefact that they kick Neil Young107201:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,100to the curb in a heartbeat107301:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,730that I thought that was just acomedic move. I thought that was107401:09:32,730 --> 01:09:33,420so funny.107501:09:33,960 --> 01:09:40,230It was hilarious. Because Imean, so just, just look, it was107601:09:40,230 --> 01:09:45,570never even a thing. It was nevereven a question to say it are we107701:09:45,570 --> 01:09:50,610gonna keep Neil Young or JoeRogan? I mean, Neil Young, he107801:09:50,730 --> 01:09:54,120brings in nothing, hardly anyrevenue to Spotify. They don't107901:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,640make any money very much oftheir streaming. I don't think I108001:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,530mean, it's like a break evenproposition right?108101:09:58,920 --> 01:10:04,320I even questioned if New Youngowns the Masters so that he108201:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,650could force Spotify not to makethat available. Well, he108301:10:07,650 --> 01:10:10,980said that he couldn't when hetried to keep Trump from using108401:10:10,980 --> 01:10:12,210rockin in the free world, well,108501:10:12,210 --> 01:10:16,440that's, again, differentlicense. It's very complicated,108601:10:16,440 --> 01:10:20,310but I have a feeling that thatwill obviously it's their108701:10:20,310 --> 01:10:22,950prerogative to say, Oh, we justdon't make it available by Okay,108801:10:22,950 --> 01:10:28,380no problem. I don't think he canforce them to do that. But you108901:10:28,380 --> 01:10:34,410know, performance versus syncversus physical, there's a whole109001:10:34,410 --> 01:10:36,810bunch of different licenses,they in streaming, it's109101:10:37,290 --> 01:10:40,200different licenses, depending onthe delivery method.109201:10:41,580 --> 01:10:47,220Look at who Joe Rogan is forSpotify. He's, he drives say,109301:10:47,250 --> 01:10:54,600the key reveal the last coupleof days was that Spotify in109401:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,140order to advertise on Joe Roganshow you have to buy advertising109501:10:58,140 --> 01:11:01,830across their entire catalogue.Oh, sure, when he when they have109601:11:01,830 --> 01:11:05,340revealed that, that shows youthat he is driving all of their109701:11:05,340 --> 01:11:10,320podcast advertising, and he'sdriving new user growth, Neil109801:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,920Young, or any individual musicstreaming artist isn't doing any109901:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,270of that. So that's not even athat's just a no brainer,110001:11:18,300 --> 01:11:23,460more interesting. And that's Iplayed these clips on no agenda110101:11:23,730 --> 01:11:31,260is how mainstream can't placeit, they can't place the110201:11:31,260 --> 01:11:38,250success, how can this podcasthave a reported 1011? Whatever,110301:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,700I'm sure it's a lot. I don'tknow how many are active, but110401:11:41,700 --> 01:11:45,060that's okay. It's clearly morethan mainstream shit, my shows110501:11:45,060 --> 01:11:50,250do more than mainstream. Theyjust can't, that doesn't compute110601:11:50,250 --> 01:11:55,650in their head. And then the factthat, you know, most shows are,110701:11:56,220 --> 01:11:59,100you know, very short, verytight, you know, a minute and a110801:11:59,100 --> 01:12:02,490half, two minutes, segments,tops, go to commercial break all110901:12:02,490 --> 01:12:06,750this stuff. And it turns outpeople just tired of that shit.111001:12:07,050 --> 01:12:11,070They're just tired of it, thankyou to streaming, we don't have111101:12:11,100 --> 01:12:14,970interruptive advertising, tothink that people will continue111201:12:14,970 --> 01:12:19,770to want interruptive advertisingor delay, that advertising111301:12:19,770 --> 01:12:23,040delays for the instantgratification instant111401:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,290gratification, society that weare, is short sighted people111501:12:28,290 --> 01:12:32,070have done with it, you can getso much for free, or you're111601:12:32,070 --> 01:12:36,150paying for it in different wayswith data, etc. We're way beyond111701:12:36,180 --> 01:12:39,990value for value is move beyondall that. And this clearly111801:12:39,990 --> 01:12:42,360people who have who have alreadyseen the light, you know,111901:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,090they're like, Okay, that's adead end for me, I'm going to go112001:12:45,090 --> 01:12:45,750this way.112101:12:47,010 --> 01:12:54,810Well did play. Let's see playbuzz cast, clip, Buzz cast,112201:12:54,810 --> 01:12:56,880decentralized, monetizing one.112301:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,370I mean, who's gonna come outhere and say, We're gonna sell112401:12:59,370 --> 01:13:02,220podcast monetization for theindependent podcaster across all112501:13:02,220 --> 01:13:05,640platforms? So maybe that's like,I don't know, it's might be too112601:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,780big of a question. Or who knowswhat's happening, I just, I'm112701:13:09,780 --> 01:13:14,100getting frustrated at what'shappening. Because I don't like112801:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,940the idea of podcasters gettingpushed into the silos that it112901:13:17,940 --> 01:13:22,740only exposes a portion of theiraudience, to these monetization113001:13:23,100 --> 01:13:26,280opportunities that are builtwith all these. I mean, they're113101:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,280cool. And there's some greatopportunity there. But it feels113201:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,850like, at least in the Spotifyworld, and the verge article113301:13:32,850 --> 01:13:35,880kind of talked about this, like,it doesn't feel like a solution113401:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,790for podcasting. It feels like asolution for Spotify. And it113501:13:38,790 --> 01:13:42,120feels like Spotify is saying,Hey, we're gonna follow like the113601:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,840YouTube model, and YouTube ownsthe video space online. They113701:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,960help creators make money. Butthat also comes with a lot of113801:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,830drawbacks. But nobody wants totalk about the drawbacks. They113901:13:52,830 --> 01:13:55,530just want to say, what's theeasiest way to monetize? And114001:13:55,530 --> 01:14:00,120maybe, you know, maybe that'sjust the way things go. But I114101:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,260kind of hope it doesn't. Like, Ikind of hope that somebody114201:14:04,260 --> 01:14:08,850figures out that there is a wayto keep podcasting open. And we114301:14:08,850 --> 01:14:14,880can monetize based around usingRSS as an open protocol. And114401:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,490that's not a bad thing. That's agood thing. And we can have our114501:14:17,490 --> 01:14:19,830choice of players. And there isan opportunity for third party114601:14:19,830 --> 01:14:22,500app developers to continue tomake great podcast listening114701:14:22,500 --> 01:14:25,560experiences that can be aswildly different as something114801:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,790like a good pods, or something,you know, like a fountain app.114901:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,500And we have lots of differentopportunities to monetize our115001:14:34,500 --> 01:14:37,950show without being locked into aspecific platform.115101:14:39,780 --> 01:14:42,840Yeah, that's Kevin, Kevin fanfrom Buzzsprout. And I think115201:14:42,840 --> 01:14:47,790that he's he's expressing thefrustration of that what he's115301:14:47,790 --> 01:14:51,420basically putting, putting somebones to what you just said,115401:14:51,420 --> 01:14:55,770which is, there's there seemsthere's platform dominance, and115501:14:55,770 --> 01:14:59,970the platform dominance comeswith the drawback of it.115601:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,390incessant advertising, and the,in order to even get into the115701:15:06,390 --> 01:15:11,040advertising game on thoseplatforms in a real way, you115801:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,400have to have at least a certainamount of like downloads. So115901:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,720like, the minimum really barthere is like 10,000 downloads116001:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,850an episode before you can getinto selling ads for any in any116101:15:23,850 --> 01:15:30,810serious way to make money. Sothen that leaves up all of let's116201:15:30,810 --> 01:15:33,630just say that maybe that's Idon't know, the top 5% of shows116301:15:33,660 --> 01:15:39,120if that much, at least 95% ofpodcasts out in the cold. So but116401:15:39,120 --> 01:15:43,680then you take an alternativepayment model, like value for116501:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,610value. And I think this isimportant. It's not just this is116601:15:47,610 --> 01:15:51,180not just a rehash of stuff we'vesaid in the past thing is116701:15:51,180 --> 01:15:58,200important to know that you can'tsustain an audience and a show116801:15:59,310 --> 01:16:04,410on 200 listeners, or 200downloads or whatever you metric116901:16:04,410 --> 01:16:10,590you want to use on very smallnumbers. If you allow them a way117001:16:10,590 --> 01:16:15,690to pay you directly in a in appno friction free. It's a117101:16:15,690 --> 01:16:16,890superior model.117201:16:17,820 --> 01:16:24,000We have we have many skilledprofessional writers in in the117301:16:24,000 --> 01:16:30,090project in the group. The powerof podcasting does not lie with117401:16:30,900 --> 01:16:35,070just the hosting companies withjust the app companies. The true117501:16:35,070 --> 01:16:39,660power of podcasting is thepodcasters every single show I117601:16:39,660 --> 01:16:43,800do I am telling people to go tonew podcast apps.com. And117701:16:43,890 --> 01:16:47,580there's multiple reasons for it.And one reason, which I think is117801:16:47,580 --> 01:16:51,450very useful, if you want toeducate your clients, your117901:16:51,450 --> 01:16:57,180users, your friends, yourpodcasters is do you want to118001:16:57,180 --> 01:17:01,410make sure that you always canlisten to this podcast, you must118101:17:01,410 --> 01:17:06,570use a modern podcast app.Because that is connected to118201:17:06,570 --> 01:17:11,010podcasts index. You could wakeup tomorrow using Apple and my118301:17:11,010 --> 01:17:14,490show won't be there. What areyou going to do? Starts with118401:17:14,490 --> 01:17:18,690that, get them to do that. Askthem to use a new or modern118501:17:18,690 --> 01:17:23,730podcast app that will that willprotect that relationship you118601:17:23,730 --> 01:17:31,410have. And with that comefeatures. So the buzz cast? I118701:17:31,410 --> 01:17:35,460don't know what clip to is.First of all, I'd hoped that118801:17:35,460 --> 01:17:40,290they would maybe consider usinga value block just to kind of118901:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,950show by example, if then, youknow, I don't know if that's you119001:17:43,950 --> 01:17:47,850think they would? Yeah, I thinkthey would, um, but it's all119101:17:47,850 --> 01:17:51,360about educating your users. Andof course, you can only educate119201:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,220them and stuff that you'veimplemented. So you know,119301:17:53,220 --> 01:17:56,820there's yet another chicken inthe egg. But people are going to119401:17:56,820 --> 01:18:00,270start figuring it out how to dothis. And I really love all the119501:18:00,270 --> 01:18:04,260people who are hostingcompanies. I think it's so key.119601:18:05,460 --> 01:18:08,310You got to believe it. You know,I know who does and who doesn't119701:18:08,310 --> 01:18:12,300believe it because it shows inthe code. Yeah. So I just hope119801:18:12,300 --> 01:18:14,970we can we can kind of geteverybody to move in unison.119901:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,500I think so this is going to it'sa little is gonna sound a little120001:18:19,500 --> 01:18:23,940self serving, but play. But Ithink it's important place Sam120101:18:23,940 --> 01:18:26,700said the Adam and Dave aregeniuses.120201:18:27,750 --> 01:18:30,330I'm getting more and moreexcited. I have to say I was on120301:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,540with Adam and Dave about a yearago on their show. And I was a120401:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,450little skeptical about value forvalue. And I was like, Is that120501:18:36,450 --> 01:18:39,570the right way? And I didn'treally understand about, you120601:18:39,570 --> 01:18:43,530know, difference between ECE andSATs and I sort of just decided120701:18:43,530 --> 01:18:45,690to get my head into andunderstand that it's pretty easy120801:18:45,690 --> 01:18:50,400once you do and I think they'vepicked the right right path. And120901:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,250it seems industry momentum isgoing their way with lightning121001:18:53,250 --> 01:18:57,150networks and SATs and you knowJack Dorsey is well into it.121101:18:57,540 --> 01:19:02,580Twitter is and cash app and it'sgoing and I still think he says121201:19:02,580 --> 01:19:07,080just yeah, he's well, NF T's arecertainly getting a hammering121301:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,020this week. So yeah, I think youknow, they've picked the right121401:19:10,020 --> 01:19:10,920pony to ride.121501:19:12,300 --> 01:19:16,260I want to say three things aboutthis clip. Number one, clearly121601:19:16,260 --> 01:19:18,960what he is expressing is thatwe're we're geniuses,121701:19:19,350 --> 01:19:22,980obviously yes. And I agree. Weencourage this type of analysis.121801:19:23,190 --> 01:19:28,260Yes. Number two, that screechinghigh pitch thing you hear in the121901:19:28,260 --> 01:19:32,340background that is the sound ofof the taint of Australia. That122001:19:32,340 --> 01:19:33,600is the Australian tank.122101:19:34,410 --> 01:19:38,850I when I listen to the show, Iwanted to see if I could reach122201:19:38,850 --> 01:19:42,150James and see if you know he wasunder attack in something like122301:19:42,150 --> 01:19:46,800Invasion of the Body Snatchers.It hasn't like God people are122401:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,620coming they just you know thatthat sound is in there is that122501:19:49,620 --> 01:19:51,360he can he not turn that off?122601:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,200I think I think it does. Thedecibel level at that frequency122701:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,160destroyed that part of his hishis hearing. Like years ago.122801:19:59,160 --> 01:19:59,280I've122901:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,700heard it I've heard this before.And I just wonder Is he is he123001:20:02,700 --> 01:20:05,760camping in the outback? Youknow, is it crickets? I mean,123101:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,610it's fascinating to listen to,but then he fades it up and123201:20:08,610 --> 01:20:10,800down. You know, it's like whenthey're not talking, then he123301:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,040fades it down. And then it'skind of gone. I'm like, I wonder123401:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,650if maybe we just have a duringthe whole mix, you know, not123501:20:16,650 --> 01:20:17,820just when he's talking.123601:20:18,270 --> 01:20:23,430This is that is actually the wayto cube you know, the Havana123701:20:23,430 --> 01:20:25,890syndrome that was delivered.123801:20:28,590 --> 01:20:30,450Through pod land podcast,123901:20:30,480 --> 01:20:33,690yeah. Dropping lead the embassy,people are dropping like flies.124001:20:34,710 --> 01:20:38,490So the, so that the well, this124101:20:38,490 --> 01:20:41,370is great. This is a greatexample. And I really appreciate124201:20:41,490 --> 01:20:45,060what Sam said, but and I knowyou have a third point. Yeah.124301:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,260This is a perfect example ofBitcoin changes you.124401:20:50,550 --> 01:20:52,920That's, that's really kind ofthe point. I was wondering that.124501:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,040Yeah, you kind of took it out ofmy mouth. I'm sorry. No, no, no,124601:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,310no, please. But that's kind ofwhat I was gonna say is that124701:21:00,330 --> 01:21:05,970you, it looks when you firsthear about it, it looks like124801:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,720internet funny money. Nobodywill ever get on board with124901:21:09,720 --> 01:21:14,550this. There's, there's so manynegatives, that you can125001:21:14,550 --> 01:21:20,520immediately look at. But at somepoint, I think you make this,125101:21:20,940 --> 01:21:26,340you have a brain flip. And youflip to, it's really not about125201:21:26,340 --> 01:21:30,240those things. It's about this isreally the only way forward.125301:21:30,990 --> 01:21:35,730It's not about the potentialproblems. It's about feasible125401:21:35,730 --> 01:21:42,390solutions. And this really isthe the only realistic feasible125501:21:42,390 --> 01:21:47,370solution for monetizing smallpodcasts that I can think of,125601:21:47,910 --> 01:21:54,090and anybody else can think of.So like that, that's really,125701:21:54,900 --> 01:21:57,540that's really where the wherethe flip happens. But and I125801:21:57,540 --> 01:22:01,050think, Well, speaking of ToddCochran, this is the honorary125901:22:01,050 --> 01:22:04,740Todd Cochran show, we, he hasnow bought an Umbral126001:22:05,490 --> 01:22:08,250like, I know, hell is frozenover.126101:22:09,390 --> 01:22:14,460So you get I mean, like this,the the progression here is that126201:22:14,460 --> 01:22:19,170eventually you see that thisthing, not only can worked, that126301:22:19,170 --> 01:22:21,690really kind of is the only wayto do it.126401:22:21,720 --> 01:22:26,550This and this is has beenpodcasting since 1.0. It's a126501:22:26,550 --> 01:22:31,590slow grower, it just go slow.And it doesn't matter what what126601:22:31,590 --> 01:22:35,070fire you think you could afford,you know, what fuel you can126701:22:35,070 --> 01:22:38,970throw on the fire that occursnaturally, this these bumps and126801:22:38,970 --> 01:22:43,080these things that happen, andshit happens at exactly, exactly126901:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,930the right time, which is, youknow, when preparation meets127001:22:45,930 --> 01:22:49,200opportunity, that's mydefinition of luck. And then oh,127101:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,870crap, and then we can, you know,and so you and I are kind of127201:22:51,870 --> 01:22:54,540lightning rods as well, youknow, now everyone's becoming127301:22:54,540 --> 01:22:58,800their own, their own lightningrod. was gonna say something127401:22:58,800 --> 01:23:06,780about? Yes, so the LightningNetwork and what we're doing127501:23:06,810 --> 01:23:10,740with podcasting, 2.0 is moreexamples of but what we're doing127601:23:11,280 --> 01:23:18,840is fulfilling the promise ofmicro payments, the way the127701:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,890promise has not been deliveredof your refrigerator, ordering127801:23:22,890 --> 01:23:26,580the milk when the carton isalmost empty. No one has done127901:23:26,580 --> 01:23:33,000that no one has done that. Yes,but we have fulfilled the micro128001:23:33,000 --> 01:23:39,990payment on demand. And the onlyway it works, and this is the128101:23:39,990 --> 01:23:45,870headspace that people are slowlycoming into is if you don't make128201:23:45,870 --> 01:23:49,650it impossible to get to it ifyou don't want to pay. Yeah,128301:23:49,830 --> 01:23:54,570yeah, we that humanity has shownus that value for value and128401:23:54,570 --> 01:23:59,490communicating that message,which is not the same as tip me128501:23:59,610 --> 01:24:02,880to ask someone for a tip you'regoing to get 20% of what you128601:24:02,880 --> 01:24:09,810wanted. Think logically. So whatwas this meal worth to you? I128701:24:09,810 --> 01:24:16,860had a meal last night. musselsand clams in this white sauce128801:24:16,860 --> 01:24:23,640with garlic and I I had had twogummies before that. I had my128901:24:23,640 --> 01:24:28,680head in the bowl Dave I'm likeoh my god. In the bowl, bro and129001:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,490my fingers and Tina was like shewas loving it. She's like drink129101:24:32,490 --> 01:24:35,160the bowl. Drink it, drink itdrink it. I'm like, No, I'm not129201:24:35,160 --> 01:24:41,610I'm not an orphan. Yeah. Yes,that's exactly what I was.129301:24:45,270 --> 01:24:52,080Anyway, yeah. So that. Yeah. Sowe're so we're fulfilled. We're129401:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,500fulfilling a promise and it's soexciting. And when people see it129501:24:55,500 --> 01:25:01,770and when they understand it. I'mI am Mo i The most impatient and129601:25:01,770 --> 01:25:05,550I've made so many mistakes bybeing impatient. And I'm still129701:25:05,550 --> 01:25:10,200impatient. Again, the gummieshelp but just slows you down.129801:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,950You know, you don't worry aboutstuff that much. But look at you129901:25:13,950 --> 01:25:17,760are so right man that we are weare growing. We're gaining this130001:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,810adoption. And everything'scoming up around us. And this is130101:25:21,900 --> 01:25:25,950part of what I love so muchabout fountain. They're doing130201:25:25,950 --> 01:25:29,070promotions, I see it all thetime. And they're doing Oh, look130301:25:29,070 --> 01:25:36,270at the top. The top value forvalue boosters, and it's I love130401:25:36,270 --> 01:25:40,770seeing this. We have investmentscoming into Dare I say the130501:25:40,770 --> 01:25:47,400space, the podcasting 2.0 nowhas investments coming into its130601:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,800its orbit its universe. for appdevelopers, we have you know,130701:25:53,160 --> 01:25:54,390stuff is happening.130801:25:56,820 --> 01:25:59,760And they're doing it right.Yeah. But I mean, a lot of130901:26:00,630 --> 01:26:02,970marketing. Yeah, they actuallydo marketing.131001:26:03,270 --> 01:26:08,790Yes. And I Oh, this is one thingthat we heard from Martin. I131101:26:08,790 --> 01:26:10,710know he's he's doing otherstuff, I think right.131201:26:10,740 --> 01:26:12,990I emailed him the other day. Wejust had a chat with him. He's131301:26:12,990 --> 01:26:13,410doing good.131401:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,250I'm getting this weird bluescreen sometimes on pod friend.131501:26:18,030 --> 01:26:21,540And yeah, but the reason why Ibring it up is because when I131601:26:21,540 --> 01:26:27,840share, okay, another way I'dlike to I'd like to promote131701:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,890podcast is by sharing it Nowhonestly, I have to get my pod131801:26:31,890 --> 01:26:35,940verse install house in order,because I'm on graphene. Oh, so131901:26:35,940 --> 01:26:38,640I don't know, I have like threedifferent things installed. I132001:26:38,640 --> 01:26:43,380don't know how that's possible,or three versions installed. It132101:26:43,380 --> 01:26:45,930could be from different appstores. I don't know. I know132201:26:45,930 --> 01:26:48,900they have a web version. Butwhen when you have a share this132301:26:48,900 --> 01:26:54,090podcast the way pod friend doesit. I just love because a little132401:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,940a little play looks like avideo. There's a little icon132501:26:56,940 --> 01:27:01,740that pops up and you know,little play button triangle. So132601:27:01,740 --> 01:27:06,660it's more than just a link.Yeah. It's just a suggestion.132701:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,590Yeah, to drive more adoptionthat way. But and how does pod132801:27:10,590 --> 01:27:12,450just pod verse have a littlepreview like that?132901:27:13,230 --> 01:27:16,980I don't know. I rarely, likeshare timestamps when I do not133001:27:16,980 --> 01:27:19,620even timestamp just you know,here's our new episode I just133101:27:19,620 --> 01:27:24,570want to do and I have no agendaor podcasting. 2.0 I want to133201:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,760tweet that out instead of theepisode page.133301:27:28,710 --> 01:27:32,130I don't know man. I'm on iPhone.So I don't use pod friend on it133401:27:32,130 --> 01:27:33,450very much. Because it's,133501:27:33,810 --> 01:27:36,390it's nobody would just send youto the web version. That's my133601:27:36,390 --> 01:27:39,720point. It's just to get peoplein there just to show people a133701:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,930podcasting 2.0 experience sincethey're gonna click on the link133801:27:42,930 --> 01:27:46,020anyway, I might as well sendthem to an app or a web version133901:27:46,020 --> 01:27:48,120of the app like overcast hasthat you134001:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,760know, same thing. Yeah. Martin'slistening. I mean, I'm sure I'm134101:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,580sure he can do that. I don'tthink he's listening. Now he is134201:27:53,580 --> 01:27:54,060he told me134301:27:54,450 --> 01:27:57,060he's not listening. Oh, thisclearly he's not listening. You134401:27:57,060 --> 01:28:00,180know what? I haven't had a podfriend. Piece of merch in a134501:28:00,180 --> 01:28:02,370while so no, I'm disappointed.He's not.134601:28:03,330 --> 01:28:04,170You need a rug.134701:28:04,440 --> 01:28:06,810Rug. Or bathrobe maybe abathroom.134801:28:10,110 --> 01:28:13,290Robe. We want to thank somepeople.134901:28:13,350 --> 01:28:18,840Yes, please. This is a veryexciting week feels like it's135001:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,520been it's been great stuff.135101:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,910There's so much stuff thathappened this week. And Emily, a135201:28:23,910 --> 01:28:25,410third of the way through mynotes.135301:28:26,850 --> 01:28:29,040I think I got to most but yeah,135401:28:29,370 --> 01:28:32,820we let's, let's thank people andthen do cat and let's talk135501:28:32,820 --> 01:28:35,670quickly about cast uponafterwards. Oh, yes. Okay, good.135601:28:35,670 --> 01:28:35,850Good.135701:28:35,850 --> 01:28:41,310Good. Good. Good. Good. Allright. It's all you baby. What135801:28:41,310 --> 01:28:42,870do you mean, I thought we weregonna135901:28:42,870 --> 01:28:46,590give the spiel, the spiel. Thisis a value for value podcast,136001:28:46,590 --> 01:28:49,320and but like you gotta do, yougotta do your thing. Oh,136101:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,040you have another sip of coffee.I'm like, What did I lose? I136201:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,030lost the plot. Dave.136301:28:55,140 --> 01:28:56,310I tossed it to you. And136401:28:56,310 --> 01:28:59,400you know, I fumbled it. I'm sosorry. Yes, this is a value for136501:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,920value project. We've beentalking about it throughout the136601:29:01,950 --> 01:29:05,700throughout the episode,everything runs because of the136701:29:05,700 --> 01:29:09,660value you send back to us. Forits time, talent and treasure,136801:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,200we got a lot of time, a lot oftalent. And the treasurer, we're136901:29:13,200 --> 01:29:17,610pretty happy, can always bebetter. We take nothing137001:29:17,610 --> 01:29:21,330personally, this is all goingmainly into servers and into the137101:29:21,330 --> 01:29:24,810liquidity for the node. We'revery connected that we actually137201:29:24,810 --> 01:29:27,660rank. Another thing they saidwe're doing another thing137301:29:27,660 --> 01:29:30,660counter intuitively,intuitively, where most people137401:29:30,660 --> 01:29:33,540want five or six really bigchannels on the Lightning137501:29:33,540 --> 01:29:38,430Network. We have five or 600Really small channels. Yes, a137601:29:38,430 --> 01:29:42,660great idea. It's really amazingto see how connected this thing137701:29:42,660 --> 01:29:47,730is to all these little we'relike the freedom raft in in Snow137801:29:47,730 --> 01:29:52,920Crash you know and people latchon to our rat with a with a 50137901:29:52,920 --> 01:29:57,570sat 50k sat channel to theirlightning node and so that they138001:29:57,570 --> 01:30:00,690kind of drifting towards freedomwith us. Did you read No crash.138101:30:01,110 --> 01:30:04,170You know every time you say SnowCrash I always think Snowpiercer138201:30:04,170 --> 01:30:06,900and I have to talk myself out ofit. Yeah, that's not the same138301:30:06,900 --> 01:30:07,620thing. Okay,138401:30:07,650 --> 01:30:10,590I really can't be friends withyou if you don't read Snow138501:30:10,590 --> 01:30:14,820Crash. Okay friends don't letyour friends not read Snow Crash138601:30:15,210 --> 01:30:21,990deal. So we so we love receivingboosts and booster grams. And138701:30:21,990 --> 01:30:26,640remember that big number may notbe as helpful as you think138801:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,660everyone's getting betterthough. I like that I like that138901:30:30,660 --> 01:30:36,030a lot. We also have a Fiat funcoupon route which we appreciate139001:30:36,030 --> 01:30:38,910very much just what has beenkeeping us floating podcasts139101:30:38,910 --> 01:30:41,580interested or go to the bottomthere's a big red donate button139201:30:41,580 --> 01:30:47,010for PayPal and other types ofmethods. And let's thank some of139301:30:47,010 --> 01:30:49,830the kind supporters for for thisweek.139401:30:50,789 --> 01:30:52,709We have 134 channels, but139501:30:53,970 --> 01:30:57,450I thought we had more than that.Really knows we139601:30:57,450 --> 01:31:00,420were 100 That's a lot. Oh myGod, that's a lot.139701:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,280I thought we had more than thatso139801:31:03,690 --> 01:31:09,240well I already read galer maisboost earlier though, that broke139901:31:09,240 --> 01:31:21,120the world. I read that book. Soit was 1000 SATs by the way like140001:31:21,540 --> 01:31:23,370the Cal a bear. I liked140101:31:24,720 --> 01:31:25,980boost. Nice.140201:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,860Do the impulso again I didn'thear though.140301:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,480Oh I'm cool. So there we go.Yeah, impulse saw. That's140401:31:33,480 --> 01:31:38,040boosting Italian right inSpanish Spanish. I'm sorry,140501:31:38,070 --> 01:31:40,170Booth saw in Barstow.140601:31:40,440 --> 01:31:42,660I like how it's kind of grittybecause sounds like the broken140701:31:42,660 --> 01:31:44,340up mic. Yeah.140801:31:44,910 --> 01:31:46,440Like like Spanish radio.140901:31:46,560 --> 01:31:47,370Yeah, yeah.141001:31:50,580 --> 01:31:52,860That's a Mexican radio to bespecific.141101:31:54,300 --> 01:32:05,130$20 we got from Alexander mouth,mouth boob S C H MALFU. And then141201:32:05,130 --> 01:32:08,310the, the thing that looks like abee but it's not141301:32:08,430 --> 01:32:12,570Proust. That's it. That's aRingle s that's pronounced this141401:32:12,570 --> 01:32:13,470two s's.141501:32:14,550 --> 01:32:17,100Oh, schmo Foose,141601:32:18,480 --> 01:32:21,450which means smaller racetrack,which means I think small foot141701:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,070small. Alex has an under smellfood. See what they141801:32:26,070 --> 01:32:27,870say about members, small foods.141901:32:30,870 --> 01:32:33,300He's got he's got small feet,but he's got a big wallet. He142001:32:33,300 --> 01:32:37,080goes, Yeah, he's what he lacks.He standing on his wallet. It142101:32:37,080 --> 01:32:41,190makes his feet look huge.Appreciate it.142201:32:41,190 --> 01:32:48,000Yes. We get $15 from SamuelThorpe. And he says a little142301:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,430value for value. Thank you, Adamfor pointing me in the right142401:32:50,430 --> 01:32:54,480direction gets to get startedmaking a pot making my podcast142501:32:54,480 --> 01:32:59,5802.0 for his sign this fr Samueland then he sent a follow up142601:32:59,580 --> 01:33:03,030note and he said oh, by the way.Fr is fryer. I'm a priest.142701:33:03,300 --> 01:33:04,560Oh, what's this podcast?142801:33:05,910 --> 01:33:07,950He does not say on here.142901:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,900Well, that's an outrage. Whatkind of Hey, bro marketing. 101.143001:33:13,440 --> 01:33:17,010Samuel email me again? Yeah,keep it going.143101:33:17,040 --> 01:33:22,890Yeah, fryer. fryer. Cool. Coolto Be Fr. Somehow. I know. I143201:33:22,890 --> 01:33:25,860wish I could have that. I'm aminister of the Universal Life143301:33:25,860 --> 01:33:26,400Church.143401:33:28,890 --> 01:33:30,150I am. That's cheating.143501:33:30,959 --> 01:33:32,699As you see, I took the test.143601:33:33,900 --> 01:33:38,430Wayne Parker from maps.fm gaveus $50 You know, we haven't143701:33:38,430 --> 01:33:39,510heard from Yeah,143801:33:39,540 --> 01:33:42,450I mean, we got our geotag inthere. And then he went Thanks,143901:33:42,450 --> 01:33:46,890brother. He's 20 bucks. Yeah. 50bucks. I'm sorry.144001:33:46,950 --> 01:33:50,550Yeah. 50. Yeah, yeah, well, noway to get144101:33:50,670 --> 01:33:54,720honestly. Yeah, well, maybe thismaybe he's already got stuff144201:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,090implemented and we're not payingattention. We can't see144301:33:57,090 --> 01:33:57,810everything.144401:33:58,410 --> 01:34:02,970That's true. Yeah, well, yeah.Random apps pop up out of144501:34:02,970 --> 01:34:09,660nowhere in breakout. really haveno idea that oh, market surfer144601:34:10,230 --> 01:34:14,640gave us $50 He says thanks againfor this community and a shout144701:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,750out to Sir Alex and Quick DrawMcGraw on the SATs. Comics.144801:34:18,990 --> 01:34:24,930McGraw. Oh, he's he says, quick,quick drama girl on the SATs144901:34:24,930 --> 01:34:30,540comic book blogger. Oh, is thata Do you think that's a typo or145001:34:30,540 --> 01:34:35,910do you think that's a deliberateinsult? AutoCorrect. Comic Strip145101:34:35,910 --> 01:34:40,590blogger, sincerely, the marketsurfer. Thank you for the $50145201:34:40,590 --> 01:34:41,250market surfer.145301:34:41,970 --> 01:34:43,020Indeed. Yeah.145401:34:44,610 --> 01:34:48,300We got some booster grams now.Those were the papers. We got145501:34:48,300 --> 01:34:54,870some Mr. Grant. Stephen. Yes. Inhis 5000 SATs. He says145601:34:55,140 --> 01:35:00,360Veldt. We need to smell. Thankyou because145701:35:01,380 --> 01:35:06,960he likes the svelte talk. C pod.From pod friend I'm thinking145801:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,890this is Martin it is. It isactually. So this is from pod145901:35:10,890 --> 01:35:17,790friend 66,667 says, wow. And hesays the neighbor of the boost146001:35:19,800 --> 01:35:20,820is that a code?146101:35:21,390 --> 01:35:26,280But like the, the mark of thebeast? Oh, okay. The neighbor of146201:35:26,280 --> 01:35:27,480the moose. Yeah.146301:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,460Thank you. Thank you, Martin.Appreciate it Mitzi. He does146401:35:32,460 --> 01:35:34,770live he's alive. I know and Lizbusting146501:35:34,770 --> 01:35:36,630his chops, but I wouldn't mindthe bathroom146601:35:39,390 --> 01:35:45,570Kyron for the mere mortalspodcast. Fountain, he sent it146701:35:45,570 --> 01:35:54,000through town. He says one set Ohin Booth saw. He said he says146801:35:54,060 --> 01:35:59,160lol trying out the mythical oneset loose bombshell? Podcasting?146901:35:59,160 --> 01:36:04,6202.0 But guessing 2.0 will be setback 100 years if Oscar starts147001:36:04,620 --> 01:36:06,090allowing microset boosts147101:36:06,480 --> 01:36:09,330Yeah, and Jay I saw JamesCleveland send us a one set147201:36:09,330 --> 01:36:13,560boost. Yeah, what is this butthat was that was that wasn't by147301:36:13,560 --> 01:36:18,360accident. That was just thevalue he put in. I'll give them147401:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,750one. She won SATs whatever thatis.147501:36:22,500 --> 01:36:25,020No, he's gonna be way moreinsulted by that horrible147601:36:25,020 --> 01:36:30,270accident then it would be aboutanything else. Gas peatland gas147701:36:30,270 --> 01:36:34,950Pelland gave us 3300 setsthrough fountain he says What a147801:36:34,950 --> 01:36:36,150show thanks.147901:36:36,270 --> 01:36:39,180Oh my gosh pay loans.148001:36:40,350 --> 01:36:43,620Pay look now you're saying itdifferent than I'm says Cast148101:36:43,650 --> 01:36:45,330cast pay long is it?148201:36:45,450 --> 01:36:50,790Yeah, but you know, knowingcosts. You probably would like148301:36:50,790 --> 01:36:51,900your pronunciation better.148401:36:52,350 --> 01:36:56,970The land. Yeah, much better.From horn loaded148501:36:56,999 --> 01:37:01,499cost. I call them cost cheesecase. Sorry. Case. It's k E S148601:37:01,499 --> 01:37:07,079right? Okay, a he is costpaydayloans cheese head okay.148701:37:07,529 --> 01:37:12,419Cheese. Oh my gosh. It must be apseudonym.148801:37:13,710 --> 01:37:17,160Oh, so like the whisk if you'rewith Wisconsin you're a cheese148901:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,500head so that's kind of thedefinitely149001:37:20,250 --> 01:37:23,490okay gospel is what they say inHolland cheese had Costco149101:37:24,540 --> 01:37:31,320Costco horn loaded says 3330sets through fountain wow he149201:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,200says value for value sir Doug149301:37:34,230 --> 01:37:35,070Thank you sir. Doug.149401:37:35,790 --> 01:37:41,130Thank you, sir. Oh, now here's afollow up from I did want to149501:37:41,130 --> 01:37:45,030mention you know for thesebooster grams to a lot of I'm149601:37:45,030 --> 01:37:50,490not sure which apps what theysend your username which is I149701:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,640Kristen could be a bit of asecurity risk I'm just I'm just149801:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,510letting people know so if you ifyou put your your real name149901:37:57,510 --> 01:38:00,690whatever alias you want right upfront or something? If you don't150001:38:00,690 --> 01:38:04,320want us to use that and alsolike horn loaded I mean, you150101:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,780know this could be the guy'slike Pornhub log in and we're150201:38:06,780 --> 01:38:09,840just saying on every single showand it's supposed to be served150301:38:09,840 --> 01:38:10,680dog you know150401:38:12,390 --> 01:38:15,840ready to go for when for whenonly fans goes value for values.150501:38:19,500 --> 01:38:23,160Mere Mortals podcast Karen down.He gave us 100 sets and he says150601:38:23,460 --> 01:38:28,260tried it at 110 And now 100 saysfor a laugh looks like Oscar fix150701:38:28,260 --> 01:38:31,290those mini boosts if the otherif those other two didn't come150801:38:31,290 --> 01:38:37,110through? Nope. They came throughbuddy. Thank you, Carrie. See,150901:38:37,650 --> 01:38:40,110oh, here's a mirror more here'sa car and make doing a doing a151001:38:40,350 --> 01:38:46,170data flow through here we get771 71 sat down and he says,151101:38:46,620 --> 01:38:49,410well you're making moves withthe onboarding. Love to hear it.151201:38:49,920 --> 01:38:53,070plenty of ways to get SATs herein Australia but all involve151301:38:53,070 --> 01:38:54,510annoying KYC151401:38:54,630 --> 01:38:57,270I think you're going to be stuckwith that you could mine Hey, I151501:38:57,270 --> 01:38:59,610almost have 100,000 Satoshis.151601:39:00,210 --> 01:39:03,570Really? Yes, that's pretty good.151701:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,510When like double time Well, it'sbeen really interesting. And you151801:39:06,510 --> 01:39:11,970know, the mempool has been emptya bit lately. And and so my hash151901:39:11,970 --> 01:39:17,460rate is gone to like sometimespeaks at 13 Tera. Hash and and152001:39:17,460 --> 01:39:20,940the luck factor of slush poolwhich is what I what I'm using152101:39:21,240 --> 01:39:26,610has often been 140 150% for themost recent 10 blocks or even152201:39:26,850 --> 01:39:27,990200 blocks.152301:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,800I love slush pool they werealways my mining pool and they I152401:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,380just like their setup and theway they seem like really152501:39:34,560 --> 01:39:35,520upstanding dudes152601:39:35,550 --> 01:39:39,630Yeah, I mean I'm I'm literallyeven at these prices printing152701:39:39,630 --> 01:39:40,080money.152801:39:41,280 --> 01:39:46,560Yeah, so good. You just run aminer Karen Yeah, I don't know152901:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,620what the I don't know what theelectricity costs are in153001:39:49,620 --> 01:39:52,170Australia. But I mean, you wouldthink they would be153101:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,730yeah these days if you if you'repaying. Of course I'm not sure.153201:39:57,060 --> 01:39:59,700I don't want it isn't dollarreduced. But I think if you even153301:39:59,700 --> 01:40:04,680attend 10 cents a kilowatt hourwith all the regulatory fees and153401:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,560all that shit on top. I youstill profitable?153501:40:08,490 --> 01:40:12,180Yeah, well there you go withanother tip.153601:40:12,930 --> 01:40:16,020But okay, but who cares? I meanso who gives a shit even if153701:40:16,020 --> 01:40:19,320you're not profitable? You gotyour Satoshis Yeah, they're153801:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,110there yes like buying them onefor one almost.153901:40:22,950 --> 01:40:25,470Hey, I was wondering if youcould give a mini run through154001:40:25,470 --> 01:40:28,110some time of the equipmentneeded and processes to use154101:40:28,110 --> 01:40:31,740Hello Pat sort of the basicsrules of thumb Best Practices154201:40:31,740 --> 01:40:36,090etc I'm at the point where I'lltake the node plunge in. If near154301:40:36,090 --> 01:40:39,750zero coding skill is required. Iwould say it is zero coding154401:40:39,750 --> 01:40:41,520skill. Yeah, I154501:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,690installed it on I had a SurfacePro six I was going to use for154601:40:45,690 --> 01:40:48,690something else now. I loveinstalling Linux on it and I154701:40:48,690 --> 01:40:55,320just put Ubuntu on it. AlthoughI'm a Linux Mint guy. And I was154801:40:55,320 --> 01:40:59,820really simple to install and itjust in yet I have a external154901:40:59,820 --> 01:41:06,120terabyte hard drive connectedthrough USB C I guess. Um, and155001:41:06,120 --> 01:41:06,960it just works.155101:41:07,830 --> 01:41:11,040Is it Bitcoin machines? Calm Isthat Yeah, and155201:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,860I have mine still on order. Imean, I know people ordered155301:41:13,860 --> 01:41:17,880around the same time the orderreceived it. I've a feeling I155401:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,460thought let me just get theorange one even though I don't155501:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,520orange is not my color oranything but I thought Bitcoin155601:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,310be fun to have and just havethis orange thing sitting in my155701:41:26,310 --> 01:41:29,610server, my server rack. I thinkI've seen a lot of people when155801:41:29,610 --> 01:41:31,890got the orange one is literally155901:41:31,890 --> 01:41:32,700taking longer,156001:41:32,970 --> 01:41:34,470like oh, yeah, I want to orangeone.156101:41:35,310 --> 01:41:40,830I can't see it here. This is theBitcoin machines.com Yeah, I156201:41:40,830 --> 01:41:42,690think that that's where youordered yours. Right?156301:41:43,440 --> 01:41:47,970Yes. And yes. And you know, andthe Umbra I really I love the156401:41:47,970 --> 01:41:54,150Umbral concept. It's verycomfortable to use, and you156501:41:54,150 --> 01:41:56,730know, the App Store. I thinkthat's where this is going to be156601:41:56,730 --> 01:42:02,100a very, very exciting platformfor a lot of things. I love the156701:42:02,100 --> 01:42:05,670open the next cloud, which Ialready have in my life, but I156801:42:05,670 --> 01:42:09,360just, you know, set up aninstall install the app from you156901:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,810know, it was easy, and becauseit's over Tor you know, you157001:42:12,810 --> 01:42:15,210don't have to, people have tomess with shit.157101:42:16,470 --> 01:42:21,450Now, now the, if you if you buyone of these the premade one157201:42:21,450 --> 01:42:25,290they're like, they're like 400bucks. 400 bucks. Yeah, but if157301:42:25,290 --> 01:42:28,320you if you just want to rollyour own, just get an old laptop157401:42:28,350 --> 01:42:31,590with a band put stick a big harddrive in it or Yeah, and157501:42:31,589 --> 01:42:34,559I would do that way before youmess with the Raspberry Pi157601:42:34,559 --> 01:42:38,399unless you're comfortable withcommand line and and you got you157701:42:38,399 --> 01:42:41,969got that little Mini and MiniHDMI so you can connect a157801:42:41,969 --> 01:42:45,239monitor when it boots upheadless, which no one ever has,157901:42:45,239 --> 01:42:45,839of course.158001:42:46,619 --> 01:42:49,619I totally agree at that thing. Ithink grabbing an old laptop or158101:42:49,619 --> 01:42:54,509something is the way to go or adesktop. Yep. Yep. So we got158201:42:54,509 --> 01:42:58,529Nomad Joe gave us 500 SATs. Andhe says by the dip.158301:43:00,060 --> 01:43:02,250Well, you gave us you gave ussome stats. That's the same158401:43:02,250 --> 01:43:05,610thing. We appreciate it. Andit's called boosting the dip.158501:43:06,390 --> 01:43:09,690That's right, boosted itMcCarron. You install the158601:43:09,690 --> 01:43:12,120umbrella and then you just go tothe app the Umbral App Store and158701:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,570install Hello, Pat. Hello, Patpart is is super simple. It's158801:43:15,570 --> 01:43:17,700not it's not hard at all.There's no code involved in any158901:43:17,700 --> 01:43:24,030of this. Cool, McCormick gave usthree 333 sets. He says I'm all159001:43:24,030 --> 01:43:26,970in on podcasting 2.0 and Bitcoinbetter systems for money and159101:43:26,970 --> 01:43:28,080engaging with content.159201:43:29,190 --> 01:43:30,480And welcome thank you.159301:43:31,800 --> 01:43:35,640Be mozzie brown mozzie gave us2222 Row ducks.159401:43:35,670 --> 01:43:38,370Oh, I was waiting for the ducksthank goodness159501:43:42,900 --> 01:43:46,440and he says overcast boost, butI don't know what he means.159601:43:46,500 --> 01:43:52,260Overcast, boost. Overcast. Maybehe's just looking. Maybe trying159701:43:52,260 --> 01:43:59,130to send signals. Back again, memozzie gives 10,000 SATs and he159801:43:59,130 --> 01:44:09,810says Don't just stand there mostboosters they're up here's159901:44:09,810 --> 01:44:19,320Karen's 10 sat boost testingsays same same message we got it160001:44:19,380 --> 01:44:26,700caring about never misses aboost clearly. Oh this name oh160101:44:26,700 --> 01:44:36,120my goodness. Let's see did thecat the cat crab cropped Dick160201:44:36,120 --> 01:44:37,830gruelling van de trop160301:44:38,670 --> 01:44:43,290to got crab the cola from thedrop crotch. Yes, there was the160401:44:43,380 --> 01:44:44,910the cut cut was the third word.160501:44:46,590 --> 01:44:53,940Kr abt Yeah. D Yeah in a o l e nk r u ll e n.160601:44:55,920 --> 01:45:01,260O the cat is scratching thecurls of the bear the banister160701:45:02,130 --> 01:45:05,580then the trap. Yeah, the A and Dof the160801:45:05,580 --> 01:45:11,220stairs. It's what Yeah, it's ait's a Dutch saying that I160901:45:11,220 --> 01:45:15,030honestly I can't explain what itmeans.161001:45:15,750 --> 01:45:18,480It says that was the Dutchpronunciation lesson for today.161101:45:18,990 --> 01:45:22,110Okay, and that's 14,888 sets.161201:45:22,350 --> 01:45:25,080Second dicots corrupt161301:45:26,520 --> 01:45:30,900de Crillon the curling Londontrap when161401:45:31,410 --> 01:45:35,790I've heard this saying but Ireally don't know what it means.161501:45:36,720 --> 01:45:45,750Is a cat scratch in the stairs?Yeah. And so is this basis what161601:45:45,750 --> 01:45:46,710happens when161701:45:47,310 --> 01:45:52,380I you know what I think this is?Okay. It worked. It's really161801:45:52,380 --> 01:45:56,580just a tongue twister. It's anold school Dutch tongue twister.161901:45:57,570 --> 01:46:02,010A kind of like She sellsseashells by the seashore. Okay.162001:46:02,220 --> 01:46:05,640The crowds interest. Okay, so ifyou say it fast, the cut cut up162101:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,400the crew from the from thetruck. Yeah,162201:46:08,430 --> 01:46:10,050it's hard to say fast. Alright.162301:46:10,079 --> 01:46:13,349Hey, you know, that was how manyhow many sites? Was that boost?162401:46:13,589 --> 01:46:14,99914,888162501:46:15,060 --> 01:46:18,360Okay, worth the time. Thank you.Yeah, that was great. You waste162601:46:18,360 --> 01:46:22,800our time. Anytime like that.Good value. Good value. Good162701:46:22,800 --> 01:46:23,640value. Thank you.162801:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,690That was from Hank. Hank devReese kissed162901:46:28,800 --> 01:46:34,170Hank Hank the freezer. Okay.Okay. Man, you just put it yeah,163001:46:34,170 --> 01:46:38,280now they're just doing stufflike hey, this is Ben Dover.163101:46:38,460 --> 01:46:42,420Yeah, it's like trying to getlet's let's get the this the163201:46:42,420 --> 01:46:46,050southerner from Alabama to tryto pronounce this crazy stuff. I163301:46:46,050 --> 01:46:53,220see. I see what's going on. Oh,Oscar marry 770 7777163401:46:53,610 --> 01:46:56,190Oh, hold on. Is that the bigballer for this week?163501:46:57,330 --> 01:47:01,980Yes, it is. Shot Carla 20 Blaze163601:47:08,490 --> 01:47:09,270Whoa163701:47:10,020 --> 01:47:13,920that's the Ride the Lightningboosts baby nice i like that.163801:47:13,950 --> 01:47:16,620Yeah, that's that's for specialoccasions163901:47:18,060 --> 01:47:21,150boosting the dip once thatbooster annoying to read but164001:47:21,150 --> 01:47:24,360still cool. You can just sendone Yeah, but we don't recommend164101:47:24,360 --> 01:47:30,390it. Thank you Oscar. Appreciateit buddy. The the monkey back164201:47:30,390 --> 01:47:33,660again. 5000 SATs throughfountain he says again Don't164301:47:33,660 --> 01:47:40,650just stand there boost boosteverything everywhere up this164401:47:40,650 --> 01:47:48,390Gary aren't he sends a row since4444 sets. He says podcasting164501:47:48,390 --> 01:47:51,4502.0 Is the podcast alwayslistened to first when it is in164601:47:51,450 --> 01:47:54,990my queue learn something newevery day Gary aren't? Well164701:47:54,990 --> 01:47:58,170there you go these promoting hisown show. He says something new164801:47:58,170 --> 01:47:59,070learn something new every day.164901:47:59,100 --> 01:48:01,590Ah, cool. Excellent.165001:48:02,610 --> 01:48:05,670That's all my short list. Now ittook me a while to warm up to it165101:48:05,670 --> 01:48:09,300because I don't. I'm not reallya daily podcast kind of guy.165201:48:09,750 --> 01:48:14,580But, but it's now I now listento that show every single day.165301:48:14,610 --> 01:48:18,390And it's really good in that ithelped me psychologically165401:48:18,390 --> 01:48:21,090knowing that he has an unrealnow and every time and when I165501:48:21,090 --> 01:48:24,120boost him he can see what I'msaying. Like, I know there's a165601:48:24,120 --> 01:48:27,990feedback loop now. So oh, itmakes me want to listen to the165701:48:27,990 --> 01:48:32,100show so that I can give him youknow, my pithy and witty165801:48:32,100 --> 01:48:40,770statements. Arrow statica in thecorner of Musa Graham since 2376165901:48:40,770 --> 01:48:44,100SATs and he says throughfountain he says true pepper166001:48:44,130 --> 01:48:46,470true preppers stockpile podcasts166101:48:49,410 --> 01:48:52,440Well, the the umbrella is goingto become the the prepping166201:48:52,440 --> 01:48:56,910device of preference. I canguarantee you that your own166301:48:56,910 --> 01:49:00,720bank. Mm hmm. And well or maybeit's just maybe it's your Adam166401:49:00,720 --> 01:49:04,410curry pod father signature allin one podcasting universe,166501:49:04,410 --> 01:49:09,240which includes Umbral includeshosting includes, you know,166601:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,010white labeled apps166701:49:11,280 --> 01:49:14,490MK Ultra and hot pink so thatyou can go live at any time166801:49:14,520 --> 01:49:20,850comes with Casta pod. Yep, Castapod should be on Umbral. Yes End166901:49:20,850 --> 01:49:27,450of story. Just containerize thatthat mofo put it into Umbral and167001:49:27,450 --> 01:49:32,070have a way for me to FTP my fileout to somewhere else. They'll167101:49:32,070 --> 01:49:36,720be gone done and done and gone.Period.167201:49:37,740 --> 01:49:42,180Scott gave us 20,420 SATsthrough fountain he says the167301:49:42,180 --> 01:49:45,720rest of the resurrection ofcannabis be calm is coming along167401:49:45,720 --> 01:49:50,130well. Is there anyone out therewith a TLDR for podcasting 2.0167501:49:50,130 --> 01:49:53,520using WordPress blueberryhosting, and their PowerPress167601:49:53,520 --> 01:49:57,270plugin. If anyone is using thissetup, let's connect email me at167701:49:57,270 --> 01:49:58,410Scott at cannabis167801:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,250be.com Cannabis that issingular, B,167901:50:03,030 --> 01:50:06,750C A N N A bis be168001:50:06,780 --> 01:50:12,660cannabis bebes B. All right.Yes. Excellent. Yeah. Right,168101:50:12,690 --> 01:50:15,000right on right on someone's168201:50:17,250 --> 01:50:21,060aerostatic back again with 2376.And he says go podcasting.168301:50:21,540 --> 01:50:25,470Oh, yeah, man, thank you verymuch. We'd like to go go podcast168401:50:29,850 --> 01:50:34,830aerostatic again with 2376 andhe says, Wait, are we talking168501:50:34,830 --> 01:50:45,240about booster poops now? Yes.Boost. Boost. Boost. James168601:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,910Krillin one sat. big spender.168701:50:47,940 --> 01:50:49,740Hey, big spender.168801:50:51,000 --> 01:50:55,620Yes? Are you James How you doingbooster? Thanks, is sending just168901:50:55,620 --> 01:50:58,920one sad thing now. Cool. I'mdown with this. Yeah, but you169001:50:58,920 --> 01:50:59,100are169101:51:01,230 --> 01:51:06,480always a Brit. You can pretendwith this fancy Australian169201:51:06,510 --> 01:51:07,920passport. We are on to you.169301:51:08,310 --> 01:51:11,430If you walk into the pub andoffer one set, they just let you169401:51:11,430 --> 01:51:13,140smell a beer. You can't evendrink.169501:51:13,560 --> 01:51:14,640I think they would kick you out.169601:51:15,089 --> 01:51:18,959Yeah, they wouldn't. That's aninsult. Comic Strip blogger. Uh169701:51:18,959 --> 01:51:20,969huh. He right. You're right.He's the delimiter. This is the169801:51:20,969 --> 01:51:26,939last one in this. In 1000, the33 says through pot friend and169901:51:26,939 --> 01:51:30,329he says greetings to Dave J. AndAdam C. Thank you for your170001:51:30,329 --> 01:51:33,209service to podcasting. Andyou're invited to listen to our170101:51:33,209 --> 01:51:36,929podcast about artificialintelligence and titled AI170201:51:36,989 --> 01:51:40,799cooking. Read by former BBCactor Gregory William Forsythe170301:51:40,799 --> 01:51:42,389Foreman from Kent yo.170401:51:43,710 --> 01:51:47,550So he he's got a whole marketingcampaign. And so he does that170501:51:47,550 --> 01:51:50,970with curry in the keepers. Samething again, same delimiter for170601:51:50,970 --> 01:51:54,840us. You do it. It's fair. Andbut it's also it's very nice170701:51:54,840 --> 01:51:58,410language. We invite you, weinvite you to listen to our170801:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,650podcast, let's pay that's valuefor value right there.170901:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,430It's just you've been invited.It's like, boy,171001:52:05,670 --> 01:52:08,790any and it's just the rightamount that we don't feel bad171101:52:08,790 --> 01:52:11,070about and just the right amountof words that we don't feel bad171201:52:11,070 --> 01:52:13,380about reading it every singletime. If it was less, I'd be171301:52:13,380 --> 01:52:14,670like, skip around.171401:52:15,180 --> 01:52:17,850The only problem with thistechnique, though, is that171501:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,120everybody knows that vampirescan't actually enter your home171601:52:21,120 --> 01:52:25,920unless you invite them. If youspread this out globally, across171701:52:25,950 --> 01:52:29,310all the podcast apps, you'rejust looking for trouble. You've171801:52:29,310 --> 01:52:35,280completely screwed yourself.Yes. mclees. Thomas Sullivan,171901:52:35,280 --> 01:52:44,460Jr. $5. Michael Gagan $5 Charlescurrent $5 Sean McCune $20 James172001:52:44,460 --> 01:52:50,130Sullivan $10 Caught corn gotblood. Blood back.172101:52:51,540 --> 01:52:53,280How do you spell that? Hi, spellthat last name.172201:52:53,430 --> 01:53:01,740I did this last week. Okay. Oh,en. And then gl OTZV. Ach. Yeah.172301:53:02,130 --> 01:53:08,430Cool. Cool. Cool. And then Godbless back.172401:53:09,000 --> 01:53:13,530I guess. Okay. I don't know thisone. That's not That's not172501:53:13,530 --> 01:53:15,450Dutch. That's maybeScandinavian.172601:53:15,960 --> 01:53:19,290He gave us five bucks. Thankyou. Yeah, he's from I think172701:53:19,470 --> 01:53:26,010he's from Anthony bod. Pod news.dotnet. Hey, 50 bucks. Oh, Jane.172801:53:26,039 --> 01:53:27,809Okay, that makes up for the SAT.172901:53:29,970 --> 01:53:36,810James? Thanks, James. Jordandunville $10 Stu coats $6.66 The173001:53:36,810 --> 01:53:42,090monthly dose of evil. Yes,strips got 15 bucks. Thanks, Dr.173101:53:42,090 --> 01:53:49,500Michael. Michael Kimmer $5.33Jeff Miller $20 Lesley Martin $2173201:53:50,070 --> 01:53:55,290Aaron Renaud $5 and Pedro gonecalvus $5 That's our monthly173301:53:56,160 --> 01:53:56,910excellent everybody173401:53:56,940 --> 01:54:01,890thank you all so much. Rememberto put the podcasting 2.0173501:54:01,890 --> 01:54:06,780project in your will along withyour passwords173601:54:07,410 --> 01:54:15,150yes no sorry. cast upon173701:54:15,300 --> 01:54:16,440yes cast apod173801:54:17,100 --> 01:54:22,740cast bot is awesome and it's nowin beta and I for for the show173901:54:22,740 --> 01:54:25,740see me for the slide deck that Iprepared for the dismiss the174001:54:25,740 --> 01:54:29,520defense thing I had created adummy shows that I could walk174101:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,620them through how to seteverything up you know, yeah.174201:54:31,980 --> 01:54:38,460And I created the dummy show oncast upon and it is fantastic.174301:54:38,700 --> 01:54:42,750It's really really good. Likeall the bugs that we had during174401:54:42,750 --> 01:54:44,940the Alpha stuff I don't they'reall gone174501:54:44,970 --> 01:54:46,020does it do import?174601:54:47,220 --> 01:54:51,090I haven't tried to import I justcreated a fake was like during174701:54:51,090 --> 01:54:53,400the during the Alpha couldn'teven create a new show.174801:54:53,459 --> 01:54:57,209It was this is this is why we wenever adopted it because we174901:54:57,209 --> 01:54:59,219couldn't do an import of theexisting FIA.175001:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,720But I don't know about importyet. But if it's the quality of175101:55:03,720 --> 01:55:07,440the same as of the rest of it,then I'm assuming it worse175201:55:07,440 --> 01:55:08,010because it's,175301:55:08,070 --> 01:55:11,460I can't wait. Fantastic. But Ibut I, what I really, really,175401:55:11,460 --> 01:55:15,480really would love is if it wereon Umbral. Is that possible,175501:55:15,480 --> 01:55:18,540because I know you have to docPanel or some stuff like that.175601:55:18,540 --> 01:55:19,200I mean, it's175701:55:19,260 --> 01:55:22,860no, no, it's very doable,because it's just a PHP app. And175801:55:22,920 --> 01:55:26,070then there's, there's Dockerbased images for PHP all over175901:55:26,070 --> 01:55:28,230the place. Now, it's verydoable. So176001:55:28,230 --> 01:55:32,070could I run it? Can I justinstall it easily? I look, I176101:55:32,070 --> 01:55:36,210look, I saw setup document and Isaw like, SQL database, I'm176201:55:36,210 --> 01:55:36,900like, nope.176301:55:37,860 --> 01:55:41,190Yeah, well, that was a goodcall, but that they, you know,176401:55:41,220 --> 01:55:44,130as far as putting it in anUmbral Docker, though that's176501:55:44,130 --> 01:55:49,740very easy to do. I would think Imean, so the the cool the best176601:55:49,740 --> 01:55:55,620thing about Casta pod is that itit's like activity Pub is like a176701:55:55,620 --> 01:55:56,880first class citizen176801:55:56,940 --> 01:56:00,030inside of it Yes, I know this isthis is all the stuff that I176901:56:00,030 --> 01:56:03,870love and I know that this hasbeen there you know the this is177001:56:03,870 --> 01:56:09,450in fact proof proof to socialismwork sometimes177101:56:09,870 --> 01:56:15,180sometimes like to qualify thisis proof absolute proof177201:56:15,930 --> 01:56:18,420undeniable that socialism worsesometimes maybe177301:56:18,449 --> 01:56:21,299yeah, no. So here it issocialism is socialism at work177401:56:21,299 --> 01:56:27,719the community of I looked it upeven NL net is is sponsored and177501:56:27,719 --> 01:56:30,839no matter good people fromHolland, you know, a bunch of177601:56:30,839 --> 01:56:35,519commies, but I'm just kidding.These these are very appropriate177701:56:35,549 --> 01:56:37,499appropriate organizations. And177801:56:37,740 --> 01:56:40,140it's I love socialism. I justdon't want to eat their food.177901:56:41,340 --> 01:56:48,990Steak sucks. Yeah. Okay,congratulations, Benjamin and178001:56:48,990 --> 01:56:52,110and team I should say, evenBenjamin's daughter who's been178101:56:52,110 --> 01:56:56,460touching into integral part of,of the development process. You178201:56:56,460 --> 01:57:00,690know, you her feed is for herpoetry. I think it is. Story178301:57:00,690 --> 01:57:01,320poetry.178401:57:01,680 --> 01:57:05,130Mm. Yeah. Her podcast he usesthat as a test Yeah, all the178501:57:05,130 --> 01:57:09,180time. Yeah, yeah. Band in yourscene. Yeah, Congrats, man.178601:57:09,180 --> 01:57:12,780Y'all. This is a fantasticproduct. It really is.178701:57:12,810 --> 01:57:16,170You get an umbrella and I canopen the universe for you.178801:57:17,190 --> 01:57:20,580Yeah, well, I gotta get back towork man. So we178901:57:20,820 --> 01:57:23,850saw I was having a good time Iwas just chatting like I like179001:57:24,120 --> 01:57:28,560this is nice when Dave doesn'twork it's cool. Don't worry. All179101:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,840right, brother. Anything elseanything you need from me for179201:57:30,840 --> 01:57:32,100this for this weekend?179301:57:32,790 --> 01:57:35,250No, I'm good. I'm good. I got alot of reading to do get to179401:57:35,250 --> 01:57:37,890catch up with was with non hellabad things.179501:57:38,490 --> 01:57:41,790yowzers All right, everybody.That concludes the board meeting179601:57:41,790 --> 01:57:44,820for podcasting 2.0 For thisweek, looking forward to seeing179701:57:44,820 --> 01:57:47,940everybody back next week and ofcourse on podcast index dot179801:57:47,940 --> 01:57:49,860social sign up it's free.179901:58:05,220 --> 01:58:09,780You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast.180001:58:10,920 --> 01:58:12,360For more information.