Episode 70: Testing the TAM

100:00:00,539 --> 00:00:05,549podcasting 2.0 for January21 2022, episode number 70200:00:05,579 --> 00:00:11,999testing the TAM. end of the weekonce again, hello developers,300:00:12,509 --> 00:00:17,069users, accusers. Welcome to theofficial board meeting of400:00:17,069 --> 00:00:21,059podcasting 2.0, where we discusseverything that happened the500:00:21,059 --> 00:00:24,239past week in podcasting to pointout the podcast namespace and of600:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,829course, we're all the geniusoozes podcast index dot social.700:00:29,099 --> 00:00:31,829I'm Adam curry here in the heartof the Texas Hill Country and in800:00:31,829 --> 00:00:35,069Alabama, the man who has anendpoint for everyone, my friend900:00:35,069 --> 00:00:38,099on the other end, ladies andgentlemen, Mr. J.1000:00:38,130 --> 00:00:41,220Jones. Developers.1100:00:41,759 --> 00:00:42,959Hello, developers.1200:00:45,450 --> 00:00:49,560It is freezing ass cold inBirmingham, Alabama.1300:00:50,220 --> 00:00:51,090What do you have there?1400:00:52,530 --> 00:00:56,43020 It was 25 this morning. It'sup to 28 now1500:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,490Yeah, I don't think we have muchbetter in Texas all of a sudden1600:00:59,490 --> 00:01:02,760that came in what do we have?Yeah, we got 27 here.1700:01:03,780 --> 00:01:07,320It's gonna be it's gonna be likethis all week. Yeah, not normal.1800:01:07,350 --> 00:01:10,170You know, the part that's thatreally sucks is I have my whole1900:01:10,170 --> 00:01:14,190house generator sitting in mydriveway on top of the crate,2000:01:14,430 --> 00:01:18,420waiting for the guys to installit. You know, I'm very concerned2100:01:18,420 --> 00:01:19,590about the timing of this.2200:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,530That's what I thought you'regonna say is in true prep,2300:01:22,530 --> 00:01:25,380professionalism, gammagenerators. Also w power won't2400:01:25,380 --> 00:01:25,830go out.2500:01:26,580 --> 00:01:30,480Thank you, Dave. That's what Iwanted to say. Yes, obviously, I2600:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,720ordered this thing three monthsago, it's been a bitch. Just2700:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,620getting it here.2800:01:34,950 --> 00:01:38,130I've got a year of freeze driedfood in the garage and we won't2900:01:38,130 --> 00:01:39,090have a pandemic.3000:01:40,110 --> 00:01:44,850Now, that actually, I would readthis great article, which is3100:01:44,850 --> 00:01:48,150called Oh, it was it categorizedpeople like me, which I3200:01:48,150 --> 00:01:54,090identified with it as Doomer wasit no Doom or optimists?3300:01:55,860 --> 00:01:57,660That is what that is exactlywhat you3400:01:57,660 --> 00:02:00,270write. It's what I thought,like, oh, yeah, this makes a lot3500:02:00,270 --> 00:02:02,700of sense. identify with this, Igotta send you this article.3600:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,080And, and what it says is, youknow, you know, Americans kind3700:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,890of Americans, by definition arepretty good. preppers just3800:02:10,890 --> 00:02:15,390because of the pioneering natureand our history. But, you know,3900:02:15,450 --> 00:02:19,530the people who are prepping withham radios in bunkers, with the4000:02:19,530 --> 00:02:23,610stored food, and that that'sreally not the type of4100:02:23,610 --> 00:02:26,970preparation you want to do. Youknow, you need to know where the4200:02:26,970 --> 00:02:30,990local farmers are, you know, whoare your neighbors? Really? You4300:02:30,990 --> 00:02:34,650need to understand self defense.I mean, all of these, like,4400:02:34,770 --> 00:02:37,290getting a dog. I mean, theseare, these are the things that4500:02:37,290 --> 00:02:39,180you really might need. Yeah, I4600:02:39,180 --> 00:02:41,700got all that covered. I mean,you get I got the Oh, you got4700:02:41,700 --> 00:02:44,430Texas slim. And I've been Yeah,4800:02:44,550 --> 00:02:49,140I got Yeah. KMC ranchers, I goteverybody's all set up. The last4900:02:49,140 --> 00:02:53,970bit is the electricity. No, andI've been I've been looking at5000:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,060you know, I believe inelectricity, you know, just DC5100:03:00,060 --> 00:03:02,820current that you can power stuffwith and you know, it's like,5200:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,940but the battery technology forany type of charging scenario5300:03:08,940 --> 00:03:12,330that will last for more than anhour really is inherently5400:03:12,330 --> 00:03:15,090prohibitive, and it's just apain in the ass. And I've been5500:03:15,090 --> 00:03:18,510looking at, you know, oldfashioned batteries, basically a5600:03:18,510 --> 00:03:24,720water tower. You know, we have alittle a little solar array that5700:03:24,990 --> 00:03:29,010shoots water up into the tower,and then you use the water5800:03:29,010 --> 00:03:34,470pressure as new as needed todrive a turbine that can power5900:03:34,470 --> 00:03:38,550your house. I've never heard ofthis. But I mean, you've heard6000:03:38,550 --> 00:03:39,450of hydropower.6100:03:40,229 --> 00:03:44,189Yeah, so this so you're you'repushing the the solar array6200:03:44,219 --> 00:03:47,579Yeah, put the makes enough juiceto push the water up into the6300:03:47,579 --> 00:03:48,719tower? It goes6400:03:48,719 --> 00:03:51,839into it trickles it. Yeah,exactly trickles it up there.6500:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,920And it comes back down gravityfeeds turn the turbine.6600:03:56,220 --> 00:03:58,980So you basically have a battery.You're storing energy.6700:04:00,419 --> 00:04:03,509It's a mechanical battery. Yes.Exactly. Yeah,6800:04:03,509 --> 00:04:06,059this is the kind of stuff thatI'm in this the other way is6900:04:06,089 --> 00:04:08,429have you ever seen thosebeautiful windmills? The it's7000:04:08,429 --> 00:04:12,239called the air aero motor. It'skind of the aluminum look that7100:04:12,239 --> 00:04:15,689you see on farmlands all overthe country with a weather vane7200:04:15,689 --> 00:04:18,689yeah with the weather. So that'sanother way you can pump the7300:04:18,689 --> 00:04:19,949water up into the tower.7400:04:20,970 --> 00:04:23,730How much did the like what arethose set you back like that?7500:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,120That thing? Is that like 100grand or is it Oh no.7600:04:27,150 --> 00:04:31,650What one of the one of those airmotors? Yeah, yeah, this thing?7700:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,910Oh, no, I priced that. And Ithink it's a couple grand. Let7800:04:35,910 --> 00:04:39,030me see if that you know, itdepends on how big you want it7900:04:39,030 --> 00:04:44,190to be. Yeah, but they'reeverywhere. I'd have to look at8000:04:44,190 --> 00:04:49,590it. Air air motor or some craplike that has a weird here. Air8100:04:49,620 --> 00:04:53,550it was resolved in New Mexicothat they tend they seem to be a8200:04:53,550 --> 00:04:56,220lot of those in New Mexico.Yeah, are driving through there8300:04:56,220 --> 00:04:59,550a couple years ago. There's nowind here in Alabama. That's8400:04:59,580 --> 00:05:01,680available. Like dependability,sir.8500:05:02,010 --> 00:05:05,280Oh, well, we got plenty of windout here. Let me see order8600:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,830yours. Okay, let me just takejust since we're since we're8700:05:07,830 --> 00:05:10,770doing it, let me see if I canfind a price for you. Yeah.8800:05:11,730 --> 00:05:15,060Yeah, complete windmill 37008900:05:16,140 --> 00:05:19,440Oh, that's not bad. And then ofcourse, only what a what a solar9000:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,220array with set up.9100:05:20,220 --> 00:05:22,020And then you have then ofcourse, you can go crazy with9200:05:22,020 --> 00:05:24,360your tower, how high you wantthat? Obviously,9300:05:25,109 --> 00:05:28,559the Alabama Power our powercompany has they've, they've9400:05:28,559 --> 00:05:32,189made sure that none of theseschemes actually work because9500:05:32,189 --> 00:05:35,489they charge they charge you asurcharge.9600:05:35,700 --> 00:05:38,940Yeah, that's what California isdoing now. Yeah, it used to be9700:05:38,940 --> 00:05:41,520you could sell your energy backto the grid. Now they're taxing9800:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,530people because they have toomuch energy.9900:05:44,610 --> 00:05:45,780That's the way it is here.10000:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,570What a scam they really scammedeverybody on that is horrible.10100:05:51,870 --> 00:05:54,750Or it's the same scam as theelectric cars, you know, ever10200:05:54,750 --> 00:05:57,690get everybody to go electric carfor years and years and years.10300:05:57,690 --> 00:06:01,140And then, and then all of asudden, shocker. You realize10400:06:01,140 --> 00:06:05,280you're not getting enough taxrevenue from gasoline. So10500:06:05,820 --> 00:06:11,100let's tax the EVS tax levy,shocker. Hey, man, why did you10600:06:11,100 --> 00:06:13,950guys just print it? It seems tobe so much easier. And it's10700:06:13,950 --> 00:06:17,160working so well. It's working.So, you know, there's two things10800:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,760I want to talk about, first ofall, just the realization, I had10900:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,790it just the other day that whenI was in the 70s, like earlier,11000:06:23,790 --> 00:06:30,690like 7172, I remember my parentstalking about inflation. But11100:06:30,690 --> 00:06:35,310they didn't talk about it theway we talk about it today. So11200:06:35,310 --> 00:06:38,310today, we say Oh, it's 7%inflation beef is more11300:06:38,310 --> 00:06:41,580expensive. And you know, and thebeef is doubled and gas is11400:06:41,580 --> 00:06:44,370expensive. And you know, it'sbased on the consumer price11500:06:44,370 --> 00:06:47,550index. But, but that's what weconsider inflation is consumer11600:06:47,550 --> 00:06:52,770prices going up. But back in theday, this was after, you know,11700:06:52,770 --> 00:06:55,500of course, we were 40 years or50 years into the Federal11800:06:55,500 --> 00:06:58,950Reserve Act. And, and the ideathat we were off the gold11900:06:58,950 --> 00:07:03,390standard. And inflationliterally meant that the Federal12000:07:03,390 --> 00:07:08,220Reserve and the Treasury wouldbe creating about 2% More money12100:07:08,250 --> 00:07:10,470every year. That's what that'swhat it meant. And everyone12200:07:10,470 --> 00:07:13,470understood that. And everyonewas always concerned about12300:07:13,470 --> 00:07:17,250inflation, not concerned aboutthe prices rising, because that12400:07:17,250 --> 00:07:20,700would be the actual effect ofinflating the money supply,12500:07:20,790 --> 00:07:26,310inflation. And somewhere alongthe lines, we got psi opt into12600:07:26,310 --> 00:07:29,820believing it's something else.And then you look at the money12700:07:29,820 --> 00:07:35,400supply of the US dollar 40% wascreated in the last 18 months.12800:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,470Yeah, yeah, it's so you know,people don't I don't think a lot12900:07:40,470 --> 00:07:43,560of people stop to think aboutwhat inflation does. And there's13000:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,290a lot of good information aboutthis within the Austrian world13100:07:46,530 --> 00:07:52,170is what inflation what inflationhas, is not simply rate rising13200:07:52,170 --> 00:07:55,740prices because of a glut ofmoney. That's, that's just the13300:07:55,740 --> 00:08:00,420technical. Like, that's how ithappens. That's the mechanism.13400:08:00,690 --> 00:08:05,610But then the effect it has isdevastating on on on an economy13500:08:05,610 --> 00:08:09,720and on a at a personal levellevel. Yeah. Cuz what happens is13600:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,160you it for when you haveinflation that outpaces savings13700:08:14,160 --> 00:08:20,040in any way or wage increaseswages. Yeah, it forces each13800:08:20,040 --> 00:08:26,700person to take more risk inorder to get in order to keep13900:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,170pace. Yeah, because you know,you have to save, but you can't14000:08:31,170 --> 00:08:35,070just simply save you have tosave in ever increasingly risky14100:08:35,070 --> 00:08:35,640ways.14200:08:35,670 --> 00:08:41,190Yeah, like so you can crypto.That's where we're at now.14300:08:41,610 --> 00:08:46,350You got, you know, a 88 year oldgrandmas who are having to do or14400:08:46,350 --> 00:08:50,460having to watch the stockmarket. Yeah. And that's because14500:08:50,460 --> 00:08:53,640of inflation. I mean, Grandmashould not have to worry about14600:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,700the stock market, she should beable to just have put her money14700:08:56,700 --> 00:08:59,580in the bank for all these yearsand have something just to14800:08:59,730 --> 00:09:00,180retire.14900:09:00,180 --> 00:09:03,540Yeah, remember certificate ofdeposit? Yeah, those.15000:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,060Those are cute. But15100:09:06,060 --> 00:09:08,400But that, of course, is thefollow on effect from cheap15200:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,400money, etc. And then you know,that cheap money pushing up15300:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,980stocks, and then you what you'reseeing now is you're seeing that15400:09:13,980 --> 00:09:17,550start to unwind, because thesystem is in trouble anyway. So15500:09:17,550 --> 00:09:21,270I just wanted to point out thatit's good for everybody, I15600:09:21,270 --> 00:09:24,990think, to think from time totime about what inflation really15700:09:24,990 --> 00:09:28,470means and not just, you know,this, what it results in,15800:09:28,860 --> 00:09:30,900but the smartest people in theworld.15900:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,760And the other one was this, thenews about Netflix and I think16000:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,570that will affect podcasting to asignificant degree. So I want to16100:09:39,570 --> 00:09:42,180bring a get hammered the otherday their stock was down like16200:09:42,180 --> 00:09:43,50020% Yeah.16300:09:43,710 --> 00:09:49,47024 this morning. Oh my gosh. Andthe reason is, they poured16400:09:49,560 --> 00:09:54,750billions of dollars. I think itmight have been 5020 or $2516500:09:54,750 --> 00:09:58,380billion last year into content.And they had of course they had16600:09:58,380 --> 00:10:03,660hits Bridger Too many hitsthere. As I've always said, when16700:10:03,660 --> 00:10:06,000you have a network, you're in ahits based business, you got to16800:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,630have a lot of poop for people tokind of blow through until you16900:10:09,630 --> 00:10:12,060get your next hit. This is whatit is. I've run networks, it's17000:10:12,060 --> 00:10:15,540very hard to do this in theirprospectus, poop poop. Oh, yeah,17100:10:15,540 --> 00:10:18,180no, we have this just rightthere, it says one of our risk17200:10:18,180 --> 00:10:21,270is we will have to make somepoopoo or, or buy poop.17300:10:21,750 --> 00:10:24,720Now, there's plenty of poop onNetflix that scrolled it. But17400:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,200what did17500:10:25,680 --> 00:10:32,550what didn't carry over is theincrease in users into this into17600:10:32,550 --> 00:10:35,130this first quarter from lastquarter. And of course, you17700:10:35,130 --> 00:10:38,820know, part of this has to dowith people thinking differently17800:10:38,820 --> 00:10:41,940about their lives in general,but you know, maybe not having17900:10:41,940 --> 00:10:45,750as much home time, etc. But itreally freaked the market out.18000:10:45,750 --> 00:10:51,480And what you'll hear everyonetalk about is the TAM. Ta M, and18100:10:51,480 --> 00:10:57,000the TAM is the total addressablemarket. And so, so they're18200:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,960looking at the entire market forpeople who are interested in18300:11:00,960 --> 00:11:06,270streaming services, and it lookssaturated. It looks like okay,18400:11:06,270 --> 00:11:10,080you know, and, you know, we'llsee what the fallout will be18500:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,480from that, because somecompanies will not give a shit18600:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,150at all. But you know, I thinkDisney is also banking on it.18700:11:15,990 --> 00:11:19,950You know, Disney has less poop,you know, they have evergreen18800:11:19,950 --> 00:11:23,190poop, which the kids love, youknow, everyone loves and you18900:11:23,190 --> 00:11:27,090know, and they do have some somemassive franchises. But I think19000:11:27,090 --> 00:11:33,660what this will result in is farless podcast deals to try and19100:11:33,690 --> 00:11:37,950you know, this is the businessmodel of networks and the hits19200:11:37,950 --> 00:11:40,830business, is you sign a wholebunch of shows, and then you19300:11:40,830 --> 00:11:43,140find the one hit and it's goingto end you're going to turn it19400:11:43,140 --> 00:11:46,140into a TV show. I think thesedays may be numbered.19500:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,380Yeah. Yeah. That's, that'scompletely rational at that19600:11:52,380 --> 00:11:54,660think that makes a whole lot ofsense. Because that number,19700:11:54,930 --> 00:11:57,390that's what I've been thinkingabout. Everything has become19800:11:57,390 --> 00:12:00,840about growth. And that's, again,another effect of inflation,19900:12:00,870 --> 00:12:04,950everything, every industry isgrowth, growth, growth. And so20000:12:04,980 --> 00:12:10,860it like what happens when yourun up against that? That wall20100:12:10,890 --> 00:12:15,840of market saturation, where youliterally can't grow anymore?20200:12:16,410 --> 00:12:18,420And who knows where that is?That's a magic number that20300:12:18,420 --> 00:12:22,080nobody knows for every for eachproduct. Nobody understands what20400:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,940that number is going to be. II'm sorry. No, I was just saying20500:12:26,940 --> 00:12:29,550what? What happens? I don'treally know what happens.20600:12:29,550 --> 00:12:33,060Everything just seems likeNetflix seems to just take a20700:12:33,060 --> 00:12:36,630hard U turn and go straight backdown. Yeah,20800:12:36,660 --> 00:12:40,440because there's no growth.That's the problem. If there's20900:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,460no growth, then then there's nointerest in holding that stock.21000:12:44,460 --> 00:12:48,510And, as I've maintained before,you just look at the numbers in21100:12:48,630 --> 00:12:52,470my mind, it's a Ponzi scheme.You keep pouring billions of21200:12:52,470 --> 00:12:55,920dollars. I mean, they do $8billion, a quarter or something,21300:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,810but they spend out spend oncreating poop. Yeah, and this21400:13:00,810 --> 00:13:03,270is, and this was, this is partof the beauty of the kind of21500:13:03,270 --> 00:13:07,380the, I would say, a lot ofwhat's happening with people21600:13:07,380 --> 00:13:10,530signing podcasts is oh, youknow, this could be one of these21700:13:10,530 --> 00:13:12,570could be a hit one of thesecould be a TV show. And there's21800:13:12,570 --> 00:13:17,430been many examples of that. Andnow that's going to decelerate,21900:13:17,430 --> 00:13:18,750there's no doubt about it.22000:13:19,770 --> 00:13:24,660Okay, so let's just, I'm gonnadig into this for one for one22100:13:24,660 --> 00:13:27,780minute. So what about, let'sjust put a reality on it, let's22200:13:27,780 --> 00:13:34,470just say, Spotify. They really,to me, it looks like they have22300:13:34,470 --> 00:13:40,860essentially, Joe Rogan is thecash cow call her daddy is? I22400:13:40,860 --> 00:13:44,580don't know something. And Idon't know if we have numbers on22500:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,210on that show or not whether itwas a deal that dude, they don't22600:13:48,210 --> 00:13:52,080even give numbers on podcastingincome. It's insignificant at22700:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,200this point. I don't think JoeRogan is a cash cow, either.22800:13:55,830 --> 00:13:58,920For that, see, I'm thinkingabout shows that are just simply22900:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,670profitable.23000:14:01,050 --> 00:14:05,610Yeah, well, he's profitable fromone from one way, specifically,23100:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,810is what is it? What is the whatis the acquisition cost of a23200:14:10,350 --> 00:14:15,720user? And so if, if the 100million dollar number is right,23300:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,880I don't know, it's never reallybeen confirmed, it's just kind23400:14:17,880 --> 00:14:23,910of accepted, then that would be$10 a user, because they claim23500:14:23,910 --> 00:14:27,270they have 11 million people wholisten to the Joe Rogan show. So23600:14:27,270 --> 00:14:30,720I'll throw out a million andjust keep it at 10. So cost him23700:14:30,720 --> 00:14:36,54010 bucks to get to get 10million users per user. And that23800:14:36,540 --> 00:14:43,620user theoretically pays $5 permonth or more, either in in23900:14:43,620 --> 00:14:46,260subscription fee or inadvertising revenue.24000:14:47,160 --> 00:14:53,730But point being that if you haveif you're that top heavy, and24100:14:53,730 --> 00:14:58,050you have one, essentially onehit, or maybe one and a half hit24200:14:58,050 --> 00:14:58,260stop,24300:14:58,260 --> 00:15:00,300they have one I think it's justI think it's wrong. And I don't24400:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,330think anything else isconsidered a hit. What if24500:15:03,810 --> 00:15:07,170I mean if Rogan, that'severybody's everybody seems to24600:15:07,170 --> 00:15:12,990be befuddled by the fact thateven the 270 scientists, quote24700:15:12,990 --> 00:15:17,100unquote, that wrote a letterhasn't had an effect. Right? You24800:15:17,100 --> 00:15:22,380know, that's PBS economics. Theycan't have an effect. If they24900:15:22,380 --> 00:15:26,790were to do anything with Rogan.That's it. It's game over for25000:15:26,790 --> 00:15:29,160the podcast. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes.Oh, yeah.25100:15:29,190 --> 00:15:32,130Then Then it'll be it'll beit'll be it'll close down. It'll25200:15:32,130 --> 00:15:33,660be over right away. You'recorrect. And25300:15:33,660 --> 00:15:37,530the same thing worries me on thenon hit side when it comes to25400:15:37,530 --> 00:15:40,890just the regular podcastadvertising. Because every month25500:15:40,890 --> 00:15:45,900I look at that, at that chart ofthe biggest ad spends in all at25600:15:45,900 --> 00:15:49,110the topic and you do that everyMonday. You do that every time25700:15:49,110 --> 00:15:49,950James publishes do25800:15:49,950 --> 00:15:56,130you put on assless chaps andbeat yourself while you do? I25900:15:56,130 --> 00:15:58,230don't know why I said that.Dave, I'm sorry. That was26000:15:58,230 --> 00:15:58,920inappropriate.26100:15:59,879 --> 00:16:07,259I'm surprised you knew I had soyeah, let me better help. is the26200:16:07,259 --> 00:16:11,999number one advertiser every timeand I'm like, Okay, if this is26300:16:11,999 --> 00:16:16,289this thing goes belly up. It'sgame over to me like it's just26400:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,820what is better? Is that a mentalhealth to health app app? Yeah.26500:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,420Do you know Do you know how muchmoney companies like that make?26600:16:25,080 --> 00:16:31,080My buddy was asked to be CEO ofmindful I think mindful is26700:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,130another one of these apps on26800:16:32,130 --> 00:16:33,510this are my Yeah26900:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,580$2 billion a quarter $2 billiona quarter in revenue.27000:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,310How much profit though? No, oh,27100:16:41,310 --> 00:16:44,130it's profitable. Oh, it'sprofitable. Yeah, okay, cuz27200:16:44,130 --> 00:16:46,290you're just it's just peoplepeople and technology and a27300:16:46,290 --> 00:16:47,820little bit of technology toconnect them27400:16:48,450 --> 00:16:50,670I bet what they did was theyfigured out that there were so27500:16:50,670 --> 00:16:56,010many people coming out ofcollege with psychology degrees27600:16:56,340 --> 00:16:59,580that had no prospects for a jobthat just funnel them all into27700:16:59,580 --> 00:17:01,110this app and pay him nothing and27800:17:01,950 --> 00:17:07,260it's worse than that. You know,this anti work thing is being27900:17:07,260 --> 00:17:10,140pushed everywhere it may even bethem doing that who the hell28000:17:10,140 --> 00:17:14,010knows but this healingcommunities and all this kind of28100:17:14,010 --> 00:17:16,410stuff oh yeah there's there's alot going on. People are28200:17:16,410 --> 00:17:18,060convinced they're very verytroubled28300:17:25,560 --> 00:17:31,950Yes, hey, where are we with thewith everything this week? I got28400:17:31,950 --> 00:17:34,620nothing on the list which meansI'm pretty happy28500:17:35,850 --> 00:17:38,040Oh, I'm a disaster over here. Igot Yeah, well28600:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,050you got like real work stuff.28700:17:40,410 --> 00:17:44,250No, I'm I mean just on the on myprep side I've got for the first28800:17:44,250 --> 00:17:49,770time in six in 70 episodes I donot have my notes written out28900:17:49,770 --> 00:17:52,440beforehand and they're actuallylist like I usually list them29000:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,370out on a write it out on legalpad on legal pad and it's29100:17:56,370 --> 00:18:00,270instead of spread out over likefour different pieces of paper29200:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,750and another pad but because weget I got so much to talk about.29300:18:03,930 --> 00:18:11,730I mean, the this week we hadanother ABS started another29400:18:11,730 --> 00:18:19,440purge of Spreaker stuff to matchthe anchor stuff and I don't29500:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,660even think we talked about theanchor purge last week.29600:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,440No we didn't and and along withthat also comes the breakage of29700:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,710their M for a files I thinkwhich I was reading about Marco29800:18:28,710 --> 00:18:29,010was29900:18:30,300 --> 00:18:35,100an anchor pretty happy aboutthat. Well, this the whole I30000:18:35,100 --> 00:18:38,550love this though, because thisthis is confirmation of my30100:18:38,550 --> 00:18:44,490theory that Spotify wants toditch anchor as a podcast30200:18:44,490 --> 00:18:50,760platform. It's it's a it seemslike a money suck. It's it's30300:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,290not. It is not I don't thinkthat they even like it anymore.30400:18:55,290 --> 00:19:00,510I think the getting rid of RSSfeeds as the default was the30500:19:00,510 --> 00:19:06,600first step. And each step alongthe way can they make one of30600:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,520these moves, confirms thatanchor is on Anchor is just a30700:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,320dead man walking, I don't thinkit's a long term viable option30800:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,590for them anymore. And I thinkthey want they would they would30900:19:19,590 --> 00:19:22,800love to just see it disappear.They can't they really can't at31000:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,030this moment. But they can makeit as unattractive as possible31100:19:27,030 --> 00:19:30,810so that they continue to drawless and less interest in the31200:19:30,810 --> 00:19:31,290platform.31300:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,020Was this not one day they'llkill it? Was this not there?31400:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,250They're on ramp into podcastingdirect into Spotify. That was31500:19:38,250 --> 00:19:39,690not the the concept there.31600:19:40,500 --> 00:19:44,130Well, the original concept Yes,yes that that was the concept.31700:19:44,160 --> 00:19:49,350But but but anchor came out ofsocial audio. And that was the31800:19:49,350 --> 00:19:53,130previous thing was that youcould like have a social network31900:19:53,130 --> 00:19:54,720based on audio snippets.32000:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,450Oh, gosh. I mean, look,32100:19:57,570 --> 00:20:01,080do you remember that? Yeah.That's where and they all they32200:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,600did was add RSS feeds to thatguy or podcast. That's what you32300:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,950have so much garbage on therelike a typical on about that. A32400:20:10,950 --> 00:20:15,300typical unlistenable podcastthat got purged two weeks ago.32500:20:15,300 --> 00:20:15,390Do32600:20:15,390 --> 00:20:17,400you have an example? Did youbring one today?32700:20:18,449 --> 00:20:21,959I had so many examples and I didnot bring any but like one of32800:20:21,959 --> 00:20:24,689them was I posted some on themastodon one of them was just32900:20:24,689 --> 00:20:30,119like I did 15 seconds of a guytalking about poop Wait a minute33000:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,529background soundtrack.33100:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,280I have to get not so you purge apoop cast? That's I don't know33200:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,560Dave. I'm I'm questioning yourchoices here.33300:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,030It was like it was like 15seconds of a Gmail. Hey, this is33400:20:45,030 --> 00:20:47,700my first podcast and Yeah,33500:20:47,730 --> 00:20:51,060hold on. I gotta find this man.Where do you when did you post33600:20:51,060 --> 00:20:52,620this? I'm looking for it now.33700:20:52,620 --> 00:20:55,920I don't know a couple of weeksago. Is the poop is the poop33800:20:55,920 --> 00:21:02,250cast. Yeah, no, it was it wasfantastic. But it was it was33900:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,460example after example, afterexample of that kind of stuff.34000:21:05,730 --> 00:21:10,230Some like a 12 year old girlbeing like we go. Oh, this is34100:21:10,230 --> 00:21:11,520cool. And that was it.34200:21:11,670 --> 00:21:15,300Hold on. Listen out what I feel.I owe you go play the trailer.34300:21:15,510 --> 00:21:22,830Alright. Just slap34400:21:25,440 --> 00:21:32,700Okay. That's it. That's theentire podcast. But that's not34500:21:32,700 --> 00:21:36,090the poop cast. I don't knowwhere the poop went. There was a34600:21:36,090 --> 00:21:39,330bunch of poop ones. One of themhad a poop emoji in the title.34700:21:40,740 --> 00:21:45,540Yeah, why do people do that? Oh,no, I know. I'll do a poop cat.34800:21:45,540 --> 00:21:50,040Actually, I know CRISPR shears,was one of the OG podcasters key34900:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,550did the poop cast back in theday. This was when we were now.35000:21:53,610 --> 00:21:56,580So podcasting started a littlebit of lore for you. And then I35100:21:56,580 --> 00:21:59,370want to bring our guests inwho's thinking what the hell35200:21:59,370 --> 00:22:00,780that I join up for here.35300:22:01,140 --> 00:22:02,460He's like, I'm on the wrongpath.35400:22:03,150 --> 00:22:08,850It's this thing on this was thedays when we were you know, we35500:22:08,850 --> 00:22:11,190didn't really have studios orequipment. You know, I was35600:22:11,190 --> 00:22:14,430building some stuff and tryingto figure it all out. But I was35700:22:14,430 --> 00:22:18,210doing sound sound seeing tours Icalled them I'd walk around with35800:22:18,210 --> 00:22:21,060binaural mics and you know, justdifferent stuff a little35900:22:21,060 --> 00:22:25,110different from your traditionalradio. I'd go flying and and36000:22:25,110 --> 00:22:27,600people doing different types ofthings. And crisper sheers did36100:22:27,600 --> 00:22:33,870the poop cast and and he wouldliterally talk about his poop.36200:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,680And at one point, and this iswhat I knew podcasting would36300:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,450take off. And this was just thebest medium ever. He got on the36400:22:42,450 --> 00:22:48,840roof of his house, made his wifeput a target below on the grass.36500:22:49,050 --> 00:22:54,960And he was awesome. I got tofind that episode. It was36600:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600legendary. There was justsomething about it. I mean,36700:22:57,660 --> 00:23:01,680think he had to be there.Yesterday typical poop stories.36800:23:02,100 --> 00:23:03,960But it was me.36900:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,210It was dry for sticking around.37000:23:06,540 --> 00:23:09,930Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, she got amedal for that. But yeah, yeah.37100:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,910Everyone knew Chris. He's nuts.37200:23:12,479 --> 00:23:15,839I'm assuming that the pot thealbum art for this podcast was37300:23:15,839 --> 00:23:20,189the Bristol stool index. No, Iforget. Nobody knows what that37400:23:20,189 --> 00:23:20,939is. You can Google it.37500:23:21,029 --> 00:23:26,969I forgot what he had his art.Anyway, where were we? Oh, about37600:23:26,999 --> 00:23:30,839growth. Growth. Yeah. Growth.Growth. Yeah. I was gonna say37700:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,869one final thing about that.Yeah, sure. So a true just kind37800:23:33,869 --> 00:23:38,819of gets into growth, podcastingand inflation. If I were to37900:23:38,819 --> 00:23:42,659track the past 10 years of theno agenda show, which is a value38000:23:42,659 --> 00:23:46,349for value podcast, just likepodcasting 2.0, the podcast and38100:23:46,349 --> 00:23:53,039the entire project. Year overyear, people have given us about38200:23:53,069 --> 00:24:00,359between 12 and 18% more yearover year. And as we're having38300:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,319this conversation, I'm thinkingover a 10 year span, it's not38400:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,309that people appreciated us more.It's just that the dollar38500:24:08,309 --> 00:24:14,009devalued inflation. Yes, that isinflation. Because I'm not like38600:24:14,009 --> 00:24:17,759living high on the hog anyhigher than I was last year.38700:24:18,389 --> 00:24:20,789Right. So there, you know, Ithink there's your inflation, it38800:24:20,789 --> 00:24:25,019may actually be that Hi. Mysituation has changed some you38900:24:25,019 --> 00:24:28,739know, at some points throughout10 years, Mike, my overhead is39000:24:28,739 --> 00:24:33,359changed. I've reduced itsignificantly. marrying a woman39100:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,189with money helps. She also whichwhen I say39200:24:38,189 --> 00:24:41,519that we're definitely you know,we, my wife married me for my39300:24:41,519 --> 00:24:46,979money. But they that when youlook around the industry and all39400:24:46,979 --> 00:24:53,609the all the index funds and allthe things that are like provide39500:24:53,609 --> 00:24:57,479a quote unquote good return,whether they're in the market or39600:24:57,479 --> 00:25:02,159whether they're in the equitiesor Whatever it is, like when all39700:25:02,159 --> 00:25:06,989of them return roughly the samepercentage. That's not That's39800:25:06,989 --> 00:25:11,789not quality of product orinvestment. Primarily, that's39900:25:11,789 --> 00:25:12,389inflation.40000:25:13,980 --> 00:25:17,010Exactly, yeah. And what shouldwe bring our guests in so we can40100:25:17,130 --> 00:25:18,510chat some more podcasting?40200:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,630Yeah, let's let's turn thecorner and stop trying to you40300:25:21,630 --> 00:25:23,940know, talk about trying to beHorowitz and40400:25:25,470 --> 00:25:28,590although I think our our view ofthe market is a lot more40500:25:28,590 --> 00:25:31,860entertaining, yes, because webring in poop. It's just how40600:25:31,860 --> 00:25:35,850it's supposed to go. Today'sguests in the boardroom are40700:25:35,850 --> 00:25:38,370assessed or if you will, assomeone whose work I followed40800:25:38,370 --> 00:25:42,840before podcasting 2.0 Because Iwas a user of his product. And40900:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,950it's dynamite and he has anincredible niche of the41000:25:46,950 --> 00:25:51,060industry. Very happy to have himhere with us. Please welcome the41100:25:51,390 --> 00:25:55,110the founder developer of pod LPThomas Barrasso.41200:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,120Thank you excited to be here.And it's uh, it's pretty funny.41300:26:00,120 --> 00:26:04,200I can relate to the poop casts Ihad a connection when I was an41400:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,420undergrad I actually studiedViking poop.41500:26:06,780 --> 00:26:11,640Viking poop. Okay. All right.This is something you can study.41600:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,430This is an icon, you get creditcollege credit in this course.41700:26:15,180 --> 00:26:19,920Yeah, I'll give you the LOL mythesis version. So basically,41800:26:19,950 --> 00:26:24,150you know, Vikings and theirtheir livestock settled in areas41900:26:24,150 --> 00:26:26,550of Greenland and Iceland. Andthey they pooped, of course,42000:26:26,550 --> 00:26:29,940just like all of us. And nowthose poop washed into water42100:26:29,940 --> 00:26:32,430systems. And you can measurethem over time through42200:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,820sedimentology. You can takesediment cores and lakes, and42300:26:35,820 --> 00:26:38,070you can measure theconcentration of deagle42400:26:38,070 --> 00:26:40,770biomarkers and tell where peoplewere when throughout history.42500:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,650Wow. This is like counting therings on a tree. We can we can42600:26:46,650 --> 00:26:47,790count the poop rings.42700:26:48,420 --> 00:26:49,170Exactly.42800:26:49,350 --> 00:26:54,840So what were people eating?Sorry, what was that? I was42900:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,330gonna ask what people wereeating. What were the Vikings43000:26:57,330 --> 00:26:57,750eating?43100:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,500Oh, that that's a harderquestion. That's the next that's43200:27:01,500 --> 00:27:02,790the next grad students project.43300:27:02,850 --> 00:27:04,860Oh, okay. All right. Dave, youhad a question? I'm sorry.43400:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,280I'm just No, I'm just gonna.Just a comment and observation,43500:27:08,580 --> 00:27:12,810if you will. I did not. I didnot come into this podcast today43600:27:12,870 --> 00:27:18,510expecting to hear the term FICObiomarkers. That was not on my43700:27:18,510 --> 00:27:21,720list of all this, I thought Iwould hear well, this43800:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,540is the most diverse boardroom inthe industry today. We don't. So43900:27:27,540 --> 00:27:32,310Thomas, tell us about about yourapp and and how it started. And44000:27:32,340 --> 00:27:33,990maybe just give us a littlebackground. So everybody44100:27:33,990 --> 00:27:36,570understands exactly what you'redoing. Because it's I think it's44200:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560one of the most important appsfor podcasting future.44300:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,640That that's quite thesuperlative. I appreciate it.44400:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,650But yeah, I'm happy to givepeople some context. I know,44500:27:46,650 --> 00:27:49,500it's, as you said, it's a prettyinteresting niche, at least I44600:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,380think so. So yeah, at the startof the pandemic, you know, like44700:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,810a lot of people, everything shutdown, I didn't have a commute.44800:27:54,810 --> 00:27:57,750So I just had a bunch of freetime. And I, one of the one of44900:27:57,750 --> 00:28:02,190the many items on my infinitebacklog of tech ideas that I45000:28:02,190 --> 00:28:04,650could get around to at somepoint was to build a podcast app45100:28:04,650 --> 00:28:07,890for feature phones, because Iwanted to use one for going on45200:28:07,890 --> 00:28:11,100camping trips. But you know,with car commutes and stuff, you45300:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,740get to drive to a campsite, Ididn't want to be without45400:28:13,740 --> 00:28:16,200something to listen to for thattime. And I didn't want to deal45500:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,210with the hassle of likedownloading a bunch of mp3 is45600:28:18,210 --> 00:28:21,450and sideloading them before Igo. So yeah, I ended up building45700:28:21,450 --> 00:28:24,780the app for myself. But then asI went through the process, I45800:28:24,780 --> 00:28:27,690realized the market was a lotbigger than I would have ever45900:28:27,690 --> 00:28:31,560imagined that at the start ofpandemic there was no podcast46000:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,130app available for the platform,then I'm on iOS. And then yeah,46100:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,370I put it together prettyquickly. Got it out there and46200:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,740then then kept iterating on it.But yeah, for people who aren't46300:28:40,740 --> 00:28:43,950aware, think about like yourstandard old Motorola Razor flip46400:28:43,950 --> 00:28:46,710phone, not the new one that'stouchscreen and Android but like46500:28:46,710 --> 00:28:49,710the old school with a t ninebuttons that you click around46600:28:49,890 --> 00:28:52,500basically they're they're thosebut you know these days, they're46700:28:52,500 --> 00:28:56,340much more capable they've got 3g4g, they can stream audio video46800:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,810that come pre installed withYouTube and Google and Facebook.46900:29:00,990 --> 00:29:03,210And and now you know there'spenalty for listening to47000:29:03,210 --> 00:29:03,720podcasts.47100:29:03,780 --> 00:29:10,020Here's the irony Thomas. I was afeature phone user. Prior to the47200:29:10,020 --> 00:29:13,200pandemic I was sick and tired ofbeing tracked I'd gotten rid of47300:29:13,200 --> 00:29:20,820all iPhones I never was reallyinto Android and I got the what47400:29:20,820 --> 00:29:25,980is it? Which Alcatel Alcatel goflip three the Alcatel go flip47500:29:25,980 --> 00:29:29,850three from T Mobile. I liked itbecause it had a hotspot. We did47600:29:29,850 --> 00:29:33,120the basic things. You knowtexting of course is a pain in47700:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,670the ass. It does have you know,predictive text was still47800:29:35,790 --> 00:29:38,610painful but it's okay because Iwas just living my life I was47900:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,480doing okay. And that's when Ifound pod LP I'm like this is so48000:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,720dynamite because I was I wastrying to get my hands on the48100:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,450geo phone which is the geo phonewhich is big in India like that.48200:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,030That's even better one I was youknow, just to get beyond the48300:29:54,030 --> 00:29:59,280form factor of the flip phone.And and so I was really enjoying48400:29:59,310 --> 00:30:03,960the pocket cast up. And then theirony is we decided during the48500:30:03,990 --> 00:30:08,730pandemic, oh, let's startpodcasting. 2.0 I got so busy, I48600:30:08,730 --> 00:30:14,550had to text more. And then I hadto get a smartphone again. It's48700:30:14,550 --> 00:30:15,750truly ironic.48800:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,920Yeah, that definitely happen.And I can totally relate to it.48900:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,500I've actually got two of thosegeophones, the one and the two,49000:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,150including the one that lookslike a Blackberry with the49100:30:24,150 --> 00:30:27,300keyboard. But even that I cantell you it's not. It's not the49200:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,600texting machine that you janky.So So49300:30:30,870 --> 00:30:36,420janky is jank. So, um, so you'rein the in the Chi store for chi,49400:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,970iOS, I mean, how many downloads?How many people are using this49500:30:38,970 --> 00:30:39,300thing?49600:30:40,530 --> 00:30:43,890Yes. So in the last year and ahalf or so we're on two markets,49700:30:43,890 --> 00:30:46,980the Chi store globally, and thegeo store in India is definitely49800:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,950the largest market and we've gotover 9 million installs around49900:30:49,950 --> 00:30:53,400the world. In 75 countries. Oh,50000:30:53,430 --> 00:31:00,360you're the biggest podcast appthere is brother. You get? Wow,50100:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,390it's a large market. You know,to put it into perspective, QoS,50200:31:03,420 --> 00:31:06,330I think has about 150 millionmonthly active users around the50300:31:06,330 --> 00:31:09,960world. Sure. And they only theyou know, this is this is pretty50400:31:10,110 --> 00:31:13,200crazy. But they're only 8% ofthe global feature phone market50500:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,930worldwide. I think peopleespecially in Western markets50600:31:15,930 --> 00:31:18,600forget that that's the largestdevice category in the world.50700:31:19,439 --> 00:31:24,119So how long until we can dovalue for value on on one of50800:31:24,119 --> 00:31:24,839these phones?50900:31:26,190 --> 00:31:28,080I've definitely thought aboutyou know, I keep adding some of51000:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,410the podcasting 2.0 features. Butuntil there's a Bitcoin wallet,51100:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,240I don't know if I'm going to bethe one that's got the time to51200:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,790build it. It's web based. Sothere's probably some way that51300:31:35,790 --> 00:31:37,740you could connect it to anexisting service.51400:31:37,980 --> 00:31:41,190Oh, man, we have we have it allset up for expertise. We can say51500:31:41,310 --> 00:31:43,260we have it all we haveeverything for you. All you need51600:31:43,260 --> 00:31:44,430to do is just connect.51700:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,870Right Dave? Yeah, that's it.Just just as simple as that51800:31:48,870 --> 00:31:52,410just connect. We got it all setfor you. What's your problem?51900:31:52,620 --> 00:31:53,820It's connect already.52000:31:54,270 --> 00:32:01,080Look, tell me this Thomas? Or ishis chi West you're like So is52100:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720it your daily driver? I mean,you live on this phone.52200:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,930I don't anymore. To be honest, Isimilar similar to Adam.52300:32:10,230 --> 00:32:13,410Basically, after launching thisand having a bunch to deal with52400:32:13,410 --> 00:32:16,560it's pretty difficult tonavigate them on a regular52500:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,660basis. If you're going to betexting a lot you know, it's52600:32:18,660 --> 00:32:21,180fine. If you're gonna be doingcalls, you're consuming audio52700:32:21,180 --> 00:32:23,790and stuff. But I flipped betweenthem. I've got I don't even know52800:32:23,790 --> 00:32:26,370like a dozen of these powers.Now I got the new go flip for52900:32:27,030 --> 00:32:27,360definitely53000:32:27,540 --> 00:32:32,100bestest. So I'm, this is socool. Because, you know, we had53100:32:34,230 --> 00:32:37,800Who do we have on? Last week, wehad the RSS calm guys on. Yeah.53200:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,460And they're storming the, theLatin American market. And you53300:32:41,460 --> 00:32:45,000know, this is everyone's dickingaround here, you know, waiting53400:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,350for Spotify to buy him. Andmeanwhile, this whole market is53500:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,360opening up. It's very, it's veryexciting.53600:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,630So what do you think Thomas? IsIndia? Is that clearly the53700:32:54,690 --> 00:32:59,370biggest market for chi? And forme, no NGO? And that is that is53800:32:59,370 --> 00:33:01,620that clearly like head andshoulders above the rest?53900:33:02,970 --> 00:33:06,150Yeah, absolutely. India isdefinitely in a in a category on54000:33:06,150 --> 00:33:08,970its own and in large part to doand what they've done for that54100:33:08,970 --> 00:33:12,510industry really rapidly, youknow, growing from from 2g to54200:33:12,510 --> 00:33:16,4104g, you know, over 100 milliondevices activated in like two or54300:33:16,410 --> 00:33:19,260three years. So it's absolutelymassive. And for us an important54400:33:19,260 --> 00:33:21,120market, because it's one of thelargest Anglophone markets,54500:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,480right? Most podcasts are stillavailable in English and English54600:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,830is still a major language inIndia.54700:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,610Yeah, that was gonna be my nextquestion is how do you handle54800:33:30,210 --> 00:33:35,010your biggest market being a, youknow, a particular country or54900:33:35,010 --> 00:33:40,080region? Do you? Do you take thatinto account? When you feature55000:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,920podcasts within your directory?Do you say, Okay, well, you55100:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,280know, here's our biggest market.So I'm going to mostly put this55200:33:47,340 --> 00:33:50,160type of content as sort of upfront.55300:33:52,350 --> 00:33:56,370Yeah, so we vary the content onthe app based on, you know, a55400:33:56,370 --> 00:33:58,500bunch of different parameters,the language, the country,55500:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,570things like that. And obviously,India is one that we definitely55600:34:00,570 --> 00:34:03,690prioritize when we're sourcingnew content. You know, it being55700:34:03,690 --> 00:34:06,570the largest market, but also, Ithink, a lot of people in55800:34:06,570 --> 00:34:09,270Western audience, I think maybethere's a lack of appreciation55900:34:09,270 --> 00:34:13,320for the diversity there, youknow, with 1.3 billion people56000:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,320and, you know, there's probablylike a dozen different regional56100:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,290languages that each have almost100 million speakers. Yeah, it's56200:34:19,290 --> 00:34:22,950definitely like it's it's a veryvaried market, depending on56300:34:22,950 --> 00:34:25,830where you are in India. And ourour audience is predominantly56400:34:25,830 --> 00:34:28,860rural and pretty diverse. Soit's really interesting one to56500:34:28,860 --> 00:34:29,280work with.56600:34:29,729 --> 00:34:32,519Thomas, who's this we you talkof?56700:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,920It's the I don't know, thehypothetical. We,56800:34:38,130 --> 00:34:41,910I mean, in a way, is it justyour soil? I'm leading towards a56900:34:41,910 --> 00:34:45,510question. You have nine you have9 million of anything you have a57000:34:45,510 --> 00:34:53,550business, technically, is areyou making money in any way? Are57100:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,030you? Do you have any plans? Areyou just keeping this as a fun57200:34:57,030 --> 00:34:59,670app? I mean, how do you look atthis? Where do you stand in57300:34:59,670 --> 00:35:00,450relation into it.57400:35:02,129 --> 00:35:05,369Yeah, that's a good question. Somost of our revenue comes from57500:35:05,369 --> 00:35:07,799podcast sponsorships. So anybodywho's interested in growing57600:35:07,799 --> 00:35:10,529their audience globally, we canpromote their content, the57700:35:10,529 --> 00:35:13,109number one spots on ourhomepage, and it shows up the57800:35:13,109 --> 00:35:15,599first thing that users seethat's something that can57900:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,309generate often many 1000s oflessons in a single day. So58000:35:20,309 --> 00:35:23,939that's a definitely the, youknow, the key prime spot for us,58100:35:24,029 --> 00:35:26,129we can also promote contentanywhere else in the app, we can58200:35:26,129 --> 00:35:29,849promote it in category pagessearch, you know, we can promote58300:35:29,849 --> 00:35:32,279on other parts of the homepage.So there's there's definitely58400:35:32,279 --> 00:35:34,469ways to promote content and thatthat's really been how we've58500:35:34,469 --> 00:35:37,079been able to afford to grow andscale58600:35:37,139 --> 00:35:41,399now, is this your you have a dayjob? Or is this your, your full58700:35:41,399 --> 00:35:42,299time occupation?58800:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,010Yeah, I have a day jobs. I dothis basically, you know, early58900:35:47,010 --> 00:35:49,470in the morning, and in theevenings or weekends.59000:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,180Let your true your truepodcasting. 2.0. Yeah. Not59100:35:54,180 --> 00:35:54,810sustainable,59200:35:55,050 --> 00:35:58,320afraid, afraid to come intopoverty? What's wrong with you?59300:35:58,350 --> 00:36:03,030Yes. Hey, that's cool, man. So Iwould definitely be interested59400:36:03,030 --> 00:36:07,980in in buying a position for oneor two of my podcast. So send me59500:36:07,980 --> 00:36:11,370your rate card, I'd love to takea look at it. For sure. Yeah,59600:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,430that's that's when I mean that Ithink that's a really under,59700:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,420especially with value for value.There's so many opportunities,59800:36:18,450 --> 00:36:21,540app developers can be takingadvantage of with content.59900:36:21,870 --> 00:36:25,830People like when when the when abill and the wolf released their60000:36:26,970 --> 00:36:31,680their value for value album onChristmas. I mean, I just missed60100:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,230the, you know, I missed thepromotion from Oscar Mary, you60200:36:34,230 --> 00:36:37,200know, I missed the breeze hypingit, you know, and that all could60300:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,930have been settled with valueblock splits. I mean, there's60400:36:39,930 --> 00:36:41,910just so much that we could dowith so I love an60500:36:41,910 --> 00:36:44,730entrepreneurial developer who'ssaying, hey, you know, I can I60600:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,940can make some dough this way?And, and build a business?60700:36:48,210 --> 00:36:51,810Maybe? Yeah,60800:36:52,830 --> 00:36:55,170no, I think that's a good way ofputting it. And for us, I think60900:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,660it's very organic, right, we getto help podcasters connect with61000:36:57,660 --> 00:37:00,690a new audience. And we get tohelp, you know, an audience of61100:37:00,690 --> 00:37:03,150predominantly first timeinternet users find, you know,61200:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,150new engaging content, but theycan learn from that they can be61300:37:06,150 --> 00:37:08,340entertained by so it's it'sdefinitely something that's61400:37:08,340 --> 00:37:11,730been, you know, really, reallyawesome to watch as the you61500:37:11,730 --> 00:37:12,450know, it's been over a year.61600:37:12,450 --> 00:37:18,270Now. I want to ask you aboutyour, your developer chops here,61700:37:18,270 --> 00:37:23,220and when what you got going on,so what I know, in iOS is mostly61800:37:23,220 --> 00:37:31,230html5 environment. So how do youdevelop an app for that? What is61900:37:31,230 --> 00:37:35,640your development environmentlook like? And know that I have62000:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,480no experience other than Idownloaded the simulator the62100:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,960other day to try to get the podLP up and running in a car62200:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,300simulator and failed epically todo it. It was a horrible62300:37:48,300 --> 00:37:53,670disaster. But like, how, what iswhat is the language that you62400:37:53,700 --> 00:37:56,760that you run in? What does thatlook like? And and then what62500:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,320tools do you use?62600:38:00,570 --> 00:38:03,810Yes, that's the interestingquestion. Because it's, it's62700:38:03,810 --> 00:38:06,840definitely been a challenge. Ithink it's easier today. But62800:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,270yeah, the simulator, I wouldn'trecommend if anybody's looking62900:38:09,270 --> 00:38:12,150to get into the that that area,I would say, just get a hardware63000:38:12,150 --> 00:38:13,890device, they're prettyaffordable, you can get them in63100:38:13,890 --> 00:38:17,400the US for, I don't know, as lowas like 2030 bucks for some of63200:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,850the really crappy cheap ones andsome of the nicer ones around63300:38:20,850 --> 00:38:23,610100. So yeah, I would say get ahardware device, you know, don't63400:38:23,610 --> 00:38:27,690waste your time in a simulator.And then, honestly, it's been a63500:38:27,690 --> 00:38:30,510large part of self discovery. Sothere's documentation, of63600:38:30,510 --> 00:38:33,570course, I find the documentationto be pretty incomplete as it63700:38:33,570 --> 00:38:36,810often is a path and actuallyjust sort of like, you get a63800:38:36,810 --> 00:38:39,990device you you poke around, youlearn how the API's work, you63900:38:40,290 --> 00:38:42,750have to do a lot of testing tosee which which devices have64000:38:42,750 --> 00:38:46,290which API's where and when. And,yeah, yeah, so it's a lot of64100:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,630self discovery. In terms of theenvironment, though. It's for64200:38:48,630 --> 00:38:52,080Penelope in particular, it's allJavaScript. It's a spelt single64300:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,350page app. We built in particularand spelt because I wanted the64400:38:55,350 --> 00:38:57,990app to be really small, becausethese are pretty resource64500:38:57,990 --> 00:39:00,600constrained devices. So theentire app with all of its64600:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,310resources, images, JavaScriptstyles, etc, is just under just64700:39:05,310 --> 00:39:06,720over 400 kilobytes. Now,64800:39:07,410 --> 00:39:14,190I can hear Steven be screamingat the top of his lungs. Yeah,64900:39:14,190 --> 00:39:20,550that the the svelte evangelistsmay rival only the rust65000:39:20,550 --> 00:39:24,090evangelists in their ability toconstantly talk about svelte65100:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,750that's, that's been myexperience. What so what is your65200:39:28,380 --> 00:39:33,660so you test all on hardware?What is what's the biggest sort65300:39:33,660 --> 00:39:38,070of pain point or constraint thatyou're that you deal with is a65400:39:38,070 --> 00:39:41,220screen size. And the variance ofall the different devices having65500:39:41,220 --> 00:39:45,330different screens is a storagebandwidth lack of a keyboard and65600:39:45,330 --> 00:39:47,820low memory like what what isyour biggest obstacle that65700:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,080you're kind of constantlybattling?65800:39:52,650 --> 00:39:56,970Yeah, that's a that's a reallyinteresting question to tackle.65900:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,490I think there's definitely a lotof challenges some of the ones66000:39:59,490 --> 00:40:02,160that you seem apparent, likescreen sizes are actually not66100:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,300really all that challenging tonavigate. And all the ios66200:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,520devices have the exact samescreen size, same screen66300:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,490resolution. So they largely havethe same hardware, which66400:40:11,490 --> 00:40:15,210definitely helped standardizethings. More than more than66500:40:15,210 --> 00:40:20,550anything between odd castings,lack of uniformity and chi, Wess66600:40:20,550 --> 00:40:24,330lack of uniformity. It feelslike an early days Android,66700:40:24,330 --> 00:40:26,460there's a lot of fragmentation.And so you end up having to66800:40:26,460 --> 00:40:30,120build a lot of checks in placeto say like, if this is66900:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,580available, do this thing. Andthe same goes for podcasts,67000:40:32,580 --> 00:40:35,850right? Like, I think I waslooking at using the enclosure67100:40:35,850 --> 00:40:39,750Length attribute as something Icould display for size of67200:40:39,750 --> 00:40:44,730podcast, there. Yeah. But eveneven sometimes it's set to zero.67300:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,820I found somewhere it's set tolike one or two or three, which67400:40:48,540 --> 00:40:51,780it looks like a real number. Butthat's not you can't have I67500:40:51,780 --> 00:40:55,620think I looked this up the mp3header size is at least like 2467600:40:55,620 --> 00:40:56,370bytes or something.67700:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,990Welcome to Dave's nightmare.67800:40:58,410 --> 00:41:00,690Yeah, I had an email fromsomebody the other day saying,67900:41:00,690 --> 00:41:04,440Hey, I've just started using APIand I've noticed a bug a lot of68000:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,820direct, a lot of the durationsin the results are coming back68100:41:08,820 --> 00:41:11,520to zero. And like, well, that'sbecause they're not in the feet.68200:41:12,300 --> 00:41:12,750Yep.68300:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,210Yeah, that sounds about right.So between iOS and podcasting,68400:41:18,210 --> 00:41:21,690it's definitely been a challengedealing with the lack of of68500:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,490completeness and uniformity.68600:41:23,910 --> 00:41:26,910So what are you what have youimplemented tag wise? Have you68700:41:26,910 --> 00:41:28,440done the alternate enclosures?68800:41:29,970 --> 00:41:34,680Yes, we have alternateenclosures. There's, I have to68900:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,900go look how we got fundinglocation person. Wow. There's69000:41:39,930 --> 00:41:44,040just recently I think it's,we've got transcripts. So those69100:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,340actually show up both live, youcan have them, or you can read69200:41:47,340 --> 00:41:47,850them all.69300:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,970Dynamite. Well, he searchedthem.69400:41:52,650 --> 00:41:56,220You can't search them yet. Yeah.Next next iteration. Yeah,69500:41:56,249 --> 00:42:01,679I use that every single day.Every day. I'm like, Wow, man, I69600:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,559think, you know, here's myprocess, like, oh, there's69700:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,249something some news item. Andthen first of all, go to Bing69800:42:08,249 --> 00:42:12,539it.io, which indexes all of myshow notes. I'll find Okay, I69900:42:12,539 --> 00:42:15,389think was this episode, thenI'll go to that episode, pop70000:42:15,389 --> 00:42:18,569open the transcript and search,and then click listen. And then70100:42:18,569 --> 00:42:21,929I can find a clip. I can findalmost anything. It's as a70200:42:21,929 --> 00:42:23,939research tool. Unbelievable.70300:42:25,409 --> 00:42:27,119Yeah. Yeah.70400:42:27,150 --> 00:42:29,790Yeah. That I think Search Pluschapters would be super70500:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,530powerful. Definitely, definitelysomething I've got on the70600:42:31,530 --> 00:42:34,560backlog. But I don't think thesedevices come at search by70700:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,560default. So it's a pretty nonstandard interface to begin70800:42:37,560 --> 00:42:37,800with.70900:42:37,860 --> 00:42:39,060Right. Right.71000:42:39,090 --> 00:42:41,070Well, that's, that's aninteresting question. And so71100:42:42,150 --> 00:42:46,230yeah, right. Well, so twoquestions on that on that topic.71200:42:47,310 --> 00:42:54,180One is, how do you manage this,this lack of a keyboard? Because71300:42:54,270 --> 00:42:58,980everybody, I'll tell you, I'veknown two people so far, well,71400:42:58,980 --> 00:43:01,830including with Adam three, I'veknown three people so far71500:43:01,830 --> 00:43:07,440personally, that have tried togo daily driver with a phone71600:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,050like the Alcatel. And the thingthat always makes them bail out,71700:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,560is the is how difficult it is totext. And so the keyboard lack71800:43:19,590 --> 00:43:22,590the lack of an onscreenkeyboard, or a physical keyboard71900:43:22,590 --> 00:43:26,100is like this deal killer for alot of people. Do you do72000:43:26,100 --> 00:43:31,260anything special to try to makeit easier for people to do like72100:43:31,290 --> 00:43:36,000autocomplete search terms oranything like that? Like, how do72200:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,320you? How do you deal with that?72300:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,349So we don't have autocompleteyet with search, unfortunately,72400:43:43,349 --> 00:43:47,159it is still pretty. It's t nine,it's still a pretty manual72500:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,969process for actually typingstuff out. So I don't think72600:43:50,969 --> 00:43:53,369there's anything unique in thatfront. But I would say the rest72700:43:53,369 --> 00:43:57,179of the application is actuallyprobably pretty comparable in72800:43:57,179 --> 00:44:00,089terms of discoverability forwhat you'd expect other apps,72900:44:00,089 --> 00:44:02,579right? Scrolling is not reallythat different than holding the73000:44:02,579 --> 00:44:06,419down key. It's really not allthat, you know, it's basically73100:44:06,419 --> 00:44:08,879like a TV interface. If youthink about TV remote, it's73200:44:08,879 --> 00:44:10,859basically got the D padnavigation. And that's what73300:44:10,859 --> 00:44:13,439these phones are, you can youcan discover pretty easily, but73400:44:13,439 --> 00:44:15,749you go to try to, you know,search for something on Netflix,73500:44:15,749 --> 00:44:18,119and it's a pain, you got to gothrough this keyboard and you73600:44:18,119 --> 00:44:21,149move in left and right. It's thesame interface problem. I don't73700:44:21,149 --> 00:44:23,939think there's anything uniquethat we've solved in that that73800:44:23,939 --> 00:44:24,269front.73900:44:24,869 --> 00:44:29,039Yeah. Do you have OPML import?Is somebody coming from another74000:44:29,039 --> 00:44:29,309app?74100:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,750No, not yet. And it was mostlybecause it was the first and for74200:44:33,750 --> 00:44:36,000a long time, the only apps thatwe were the only other one out74300:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,380there. But it's definitelysomething that I like, like a74400:44:40,380 --> 00:44:43,290lot of things. I've got a longlist to get around the building.74500:44:43,889 --> 00:44:48,359Yeah. And one thing, one of thethings on the search thing, as74600:44:48,359 --> 00:44:52,709far as indexing do iseverything's as html5 Is74700:44:52,709 --> 00:44:56,279everything just local storage orindex DB or something like that74800:44:56,279 --> 00:44:59,069on the on on the app is thatwhat you're dealing with for74900:44:59,069 --> 00:44:59,609storage?75000:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,690Yeah, there's a couple ofdifferent storage classes, those75100:45:03,690 --> 00:45:06,300are obviously available. Theonly caveat that I would add to75200:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,540that is you have to be prettycautious and conservative about75300:45:09,540 --> 00:45:11,910what you store on these phones,because they often have very75400:45:11,910 --> 00:45:16,260limited storage capacity, you'rerarely guaranteed to have more75500:45:16,260 --> 00:45:18,510than a couple Meg's at most. Andsometimes you don't even get75600:45:18,510 --> 00:45:21,420that. So you have to be, youhave to have the app work,75700:45:21,420 --> 00:45:23,880regardless of whether you canstore and then for downloads.75800:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,960It's a whole different system.They have a Kiowa specific API75900:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,990for creating files. And we dothat to stream podcasts in76000:45:30,990 --> 00:45:34,500chunks and then save themlocally, to, you know, an mp376100:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,180file on the device. And then youcan play that back.76200:45:36,510 --> 00:45:41,310What is the typical bandwidth inIndia? From from one of these76300:45:41,310 --> 00:45:43,110phones? What kind of throughputare they getting?76400:45:44,130 --> 00:45:47,280Yeah, they're all 4g LTE. Sothey're pretty capable. They can76500:45:47,340 --> 00:45:50,970on the low end, I think they'rethe minimum bar that they set is76600:45:50,970 --> 00:45:53,730something around 10 megabits andthen on the upper end, they can76700:45:53,730 --> 00:45:55,560they can get to three digitsometimes.76800:45:56,010 --> 00:45:59,970You know, India being such ahuge market. There's got to be a76900:45:59,970 --> 00:46:03,780way that I can sell you currycalm for way too much money.77000:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,400Hey, podcast, curry calm is hot.People77100:46:11,820 --> 00:46:14,820know, the Brit, the Britishwould buy that before the the77200:46:14,910 --> 00:46:15,960I've had inquiries.77300:46:16,019 --> 00:46:19,319I've had inquiries. Yes, I gotpretty far one one time.77400:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,040But your whole world would callI know.77500:46:24,449 --> 00:46:27,659There's so much tied to currycalm, I would be so screwed.77600:46:27,689 --> 00:46:29,879Yeah. It's not a good idea.You're right.77700:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,370Are you using the API at all?Thomas? The podcast index API?77800:46:36,929 --> 00:46:40,349Yes, well, I actually just addedit like, a couple of weeks ago,77900:46:40,349 --> 00:46:43,559maybe over the Christmas breakto the backend. It's the first78000:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,709time. So it's kind of funny.When I first launched pod LP,78100:46:46,739 --> 00:46:48,599one of the things I was doing isbasically following my78200:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,759curiosity. I had no idea howpodcasting works. And then I78300:46:50,759 --> 00:46:52,739learned about RSS, and there'slike, Oh, where do you get these78400:46:52,739 --> 00:46:55,319feeds. And I learned aboutdirectories and indexes and78500:46:55,319 --> 00:46:57,479stuff. And I sort of likeorganically discovered over78600:46:57,479 --> 00:47:00,569time, but then you guys came outa few months after I launched,78700:47:00,569 --> 00:47:03,539and it's like, Damn, if you guyshad, if the timing got78800:47:03,539 --> 00:47:06,329differently, I wouldn't botherbuilding all this stuff. But in78900:47:06,359 --> 00:47:08,669retrospect, I'm glad I did.Because there's so many unique79000:47:08,669 --> 00:47:11,609capabilities that we need. Butyou know, I don't think podcast79100:47:11,609 --> 00:47:13,679index is doing and frankly,nobody is doing because we're79200:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,269the only ones who have to careabout that stuff.79300:47:15,929 --> 00:47:18,659Yeah, that that really is thebest way to go is to have have79400:47:18,659 --> 00:47:23,459your own back end. And that way,you can sort of take the raw79500:47:24,029 --> 00:47:27,659data coming out of an API likepackets, index, and then and79600:47:27,659 --> 00:47:31,259then like, filter it into whatyou need for your app. Yeah,79700:47:31,259 --> 00:47:32,519that's definitely the what do79800:47:32,940 --> 00:47:35,880you know the funding tag is coolthat you have that in there that79900:47:35,880 --> 00:47:44,040just I just happen to know thatPay Pal will not accept money80000:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,980from India? So we've had peopletried to send us donations, not80100:47:49,980 --> 00:47:52,950to the show, but to no agendafrom India, and always gets80200:47:52,950 --> 00:47:55,890rejected. Not Allowed from yourcountry.80300:47:57,900 --> 00:48:00,660Oh, that's interesting. I mean,yeah, they surface basically80400:48:00,660 --> 00:48:03,720just as links, and there is noPay Pal out on iOS. So I don't,80500:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,600I don't know how many people,it's probably not the right80600:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,200market. If you're looking for alarge volume of people funding80700:48:10,200 --> 00:48:10,890via PayPal,80800:48:11,460 --> 00:48:14,880I'm not known as something Ishould ask more developers. What80900:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,430do you do to track behavior? Doyou track behavior of your81000:48:17,430 --> 00:48:21,630users? How they're using it? Doyou extrapolate that? Do you use81100:48:21,630 --> 00:48:23,430that in your in your iterations?81200:48:24,989 --> 00:48:29,939Yeah, so we get a very basic setof analytics, in terms of81300:48:29,939 --> 00:48:33,449tracking behavior, you know,it's it's event space, so we can81400:48:33,449 --> 00:48:36,119track like, you know, how manysubscriptions are coming in, how81500:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,789many listens, things like that,because it's all you know, the81600:48:38,789 --> 00:48:42,659API that we control every time,like, we've got a standard URL81700:48:42,659 --> 00:48:45,119that you get for every time youwant to get an enclosure URL,81800:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,609and it just redirects to theenclosure URL. And so that81900:48:47,729 --> 00:48:50,099allows us to just count thenumber of listens that we get,82000:48:50,369 --> 00:48:53,879and track, like, you know, whatpodcast is being listened to?82100:48:53,879 --> 00:48:55,979That means that when we workwith sponsors, we can tell them,82200:48:56,249 --> 00:48:59,129you know, if you run a campaign,how many I mean, listen, how82300:48:59,129 --> 00:49:01,169many downloads, how manysubscribers do you get from your82400:49:01,169 --> 00:49:04,229campaign? What's the conversionlook like? Now, but it is pretty82500:49:04,229 --> 00:49:07,019basic, you know, it's not likewe, and it's all anonymous, so82600:49:07,019 --> 00:49:09,239there's no signup, there's noemail, there's no phone number82700:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,899that you provide. So yeah,pretty basic, anonymous82800:49:12,899 --> 00:49:13,469analytics.82900:49:13,739 --> 00:49:17,069Yeah. What I was thinking moreis, you know, I think some of83000:49:17,069 --> 00:49:20,369these SDKs that, you know, thatare out there for iOS and83100:49:20,369 --> 00:49:24,449Android, which I think aredeveloped by Facebook. They put83200:49:24,449 --> 00:49:28,349all kinds of interesting metricsin there that you can see how83300:49:28,349 --> 00:49:31,199people are scrolling, whatthey're stopping on how fast83400:49:31,199 --> 00:49:33,839they're going, does thatavailable for iOS at all?83500:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,150Definitely not provided by iOS,there might be some sort of web83600:49:39,150 --> 00:49:43,350framework that you could use. Itend to err on the side of being83700:49:43,350 --> 00:49:45,990a little bit more mindful ofprivacy and security. So I don't83800:49:45,990 --> 00:49:48,870know that I would want to bethat invasive. But uh, yeah, I83900:49:48,870 --> 00:49:51,210think it's definitely if there'ssomething interesting that I84000:49:51,210 --> 00:49:54,150could glean from it and do it ina way that doesn't hurt84100:49:54,150 --> 00:49:57,210performance and doesn't impactprivacy, then I'd consider it84200:49:58,409 --> 00:50:01,169interesting that doesn't existat all. And by the way, I'm very84300:50:01,169 --> 00:50:05,609happy. I think that's that's thethe worst part of app84400:50:05,609 --> 00:50:08,789development is the only way youcan really understand how people84500:50:08,789 --> 00:50:11,609are using your app is byinstalling that SDK. And of84600:50:11,609 --> 00:50:13,679course, that reports everythingto Facebook.84700:50:14,790 --> 00:50:17,790Yeah, the to limit tree all thetelemetry telemetry. That's84800:50:17,790 --> 00:50:20,010the word I was looking for.Yeah. Wow, man. That's84900:50:20,010 --> 00:50:23,460congratulations, Thomas's that'sreally that's, that's quite an85000:50:23,460 --> 00:50:26,370accomplishment. But I just lovethat you saw that, that85100:50:26,370 --> 00:50:30,120opportunity. And and I saw itwas it's a great piece of85200:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,240software. I haven't used it fora bit, because I haven't used85300:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,880that phone. But it's really it'sa it's a great app.85400:50:37,980 --> 00:50:41,160Thank you. Yeah, I appreciateit. And, you know, I think it's85500:50:41,730 --> 00:50:44,280anything I can do to helpeducate folks. I think people85600:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,160forget that, you know, just how,how important this market is,85700:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,230right? I mean, even in theUnited States, there's still85800:50:49,230 --> 00:50:51,870millions of people using featurephones every day. And I don't85900:50:51,870 --> 00:50:53,700think it's going away anytimesoon. Some people use it by86000:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,910choice. And some people, youknow, that's that's their,86100:50:57,810 --> 00:51:00,480that's their, their limitationsare the capabilities, you know,86200:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,300my grandparents had flip phones,and that they would never86300:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,130graduate to a smartphone youcouldn't pay them to.86400:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,210Yeah, since it's such a newmarket, is there an opportunity86500:51:09,210 --> 00:51:16,020here to promote? Dave, we shouldprobably talk to Buzzsprout and86600:51:16,020 --> 00:51:19,770RSS COMM And those guys about isthere an opportunity to promote86700:51:19,770 --> 00:51:24,210podcasting 2.0 authoringfeatures, so that, you know,86800:51:24,210 --> 00:51:29,670this relatively emerging newmarket can start out of the gate86900:51:29,670 --> 00:51:33,600with some modern shit. And youknow, and not just kickstart87000:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,650that because it seems, you know,that if creators are, are aware87100:51:37,650 --> 00:51:40,680of the app, and they must be,you know, if there's some87200:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,380messaging, they're like, hey,you know, you can do better you87300:51:43,380 --> 00:51:45,000can do better than the West.87400:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,349Yeah, that's a good point,something like that. I think87500:51:49,349 --> 00:51:53,789everybody is so locked in on,you know, on the standard87600:51:53,789 --> 00:51:57,359smartphone platforms that whenyou think when you imagine a87700:51:57,359 --> 00:52:01,619podcast app, you don't imaginein your head, most average,87800:52:01,679 --> 00:52:06,659humans are not going to imagine,at least in the US. They're not87900:52:06,659 --> 00:52:09,539gonna imagine something thatlooks like a Kiowa screen. No,88000:52:09,689 --> 00:52:12,719they're they're definitely not.But if you do, it sort of88100:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,909changes your perspective onthings sort of like being aware88200:52:14,909 --> 00:52:17,789of bandwidth limitations. Yeah.Makes you see a need for88300:52:17,789 --> 00:52:22,379something like alternateenclosure. I mean, on that sort88400:52:22,379 --> 00:52:28,319of vein, Thomas Woody, what isthe biggest thing that you can88500:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,289think of when it comes to theway feeds are constructed? Or88600:52:31,289 --> 00:52:36,179delivered? That that is aproblem for what you're trying88700:52:36,179 --> 00:52:39,059to do? Like? What do youconstantly run up against when88800:52:39,059 --> 00:52:45,839you're transmogrifying a feed apodcast into something that can88900:52:45,839 --> 00:52:49,439run in display efficiently on asmall screen like that?89000:52:52,350 --> 00:52:55,500Yeah, I think it always comesdown to size at the end of the89100:52:55,500 --> 00:52:59,490day, whether that's the size ofthe RSS enclosure, like you89200:52:59,490 --> 00:53:03,960mentioned. So having alternativeenclosures is huge. You know, it89300:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,420makes so much sense to haveadaptable, bit rich just because89400:53:06,870 --> 00:53:09,990devices like this, and probablyother devices worldwide, even89500:53:09,990 --> 00:53:12,360your smartphone on 3g doesn'treally need to be streaming the89600:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,410highest bitrate, it's going tocause jank and lag and89700:53:16,410 --> 00:53:18,810buffering, it'd be better tostream a lower bitrate and89800:53:18,810 --> 00:53:21,990stream it smoothly. Same withpodcast images, that's an89900:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,830exciting one. For me, theability to have, you know, a90000:53:25,830 --> 00:53:28,290right sized thumbnail that Idon't have to generate and push90100:53:28,290 --> 00:53:32,820myself would be really powerful.Everybody's posting 3000 by 300090200:53:32,820 --> 00:53:35,580images for the latest iPhone,which is great, but that'll90300:53:35,580 --> 00:53:38,640crash one of these phones, youcan't display that. That's 1/1090400:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,060the size. So those two arepowerful. And then just thinking90500:53:42,060 --> 00:53:47,670about and being mindful for likethe length of titles. I noticed90600:53:47,670 --> 00:53:50,310this. Like I was listening topod land recently. And it's90700:53:50,310 --> 00:53:53,550great, but some of their titlesare like like in line90800:53:53,580 --> 00:53:57,810and scrolled off on my screen toon on pod friend I saw the same90900:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,170thing91000:53:59,940 --> 00:54:02,130is about buffer overflow thestack91100:54:02,190 --> 00:54:05,220like that. Yeah. And it wrapsaround to the next line goes91200:54:05,220 --> 00:54:10,350over time lines and shit. Yeah.That's fun. Hey, we're in a91300:54:10,350 --> 00:54:13,620burgeoning industry here. Soit's all a fresh for everybody.91400:54:14,700 --> 00:54:15,060Yeah,91500:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,200exactly.91600:54:16,590 --> 00:54:20,280What is this? What is the imageart size for that? You really, I91700:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,640guess you scale everything downto us to a standardized size.91800:54:25,020 --> 00:54:28,500Yeah, I scale everything down to128 pixels. And it was pretty91900:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,650arbitrary. To be honest, thesephones are 240 by 320. I just92000:54:31,650 --> 00:54:35,550wanted something that was largeenough that I could scale it up92100:54:35,550 --> 00:54:37,950a little bit if I needed to incertain contexts, but most of92200:54:37,950 --> 00:54:41,670the time, it occupies, you know,maybe a quarter of width at92300:54:41,670 --> 00:54:45,330most. And so it's just somethingthat was it was going to be92400:54:45,330 --> 00:54:49,320small enough, not too small. Andusually with that, that size92500:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,410variable. I think I average if Ilook at my stats, I average like92600:54:52,410 --> 00:54:57,840a 93% file size reduction andthumbnail images by scaling them92700:54:57,840 --> 00:54:58,440down that way.92800:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,500Oh, well. Okay. Have you been toIndia?92900:55:03,179 --> 00:55:06,869I have not heard plans to andthen the pandemic then? Yeah, of93000:55:06,869 --> 00:55:07,349course.93100:55:07,469 --> 00:55:10,919And in India, you die and theyburn you outside. So don't go.93200:55:11,339 --> 00:55:18,179Yeah. What are you concerned atall about the long term93300:55:18,749 --> 00:55:22,529viability of qx iOS as a as anoperating system? I mean, I know93400:55:22,529 --> 00:55:25,589there's some. I mean, I knowit's been around a while, but93500:55:25,589 --> 00:55:30,149also know that, and I think thisis accurate from what I remember93600:55:30,149 --> 00:55:34,199that Google provides, like, halftheir funding or more.93700:55:37,050 --> 00:55:39,600Yeah, I don't know if they're, Imean, I know Google's invested93800:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,550in them. So I put $1293900:55:41,580 --> 00:55:44,220million in or something at somepoint, if I remember.94000:55:45,270 --> 00:55:47,490Yeah. I don't know what portionof their funding is attributed94100:55:47,490 --> 00:55:50,520to companies like that? Iwouldn't. I mean, I would say94200:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,070I'm not. I'm not too concernedabout it. And there's a couple94300:55:53,070 --> 00:55:56,910of reasons. One is the telcosworldwide are moving towards 4g94400:55:56,910 --> 00:56:00,630as a minimum standard, goingforward, this 2g, 3g network94500:56:00,630 --> 00:56:03,630shutdowns across the world andeven here in the US. And the94600:56:03,630 --> 00:56:06,150other reason is, they're stillhalf of the world's population94700:56:06,180 --> 00:56:10,200unconnected to any form ofnetwork device, whether that's a94800:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,950phone or a computer, or like anyinternet capability. And so when94900:56:13,950 --> 00:56:15,960people think about, you know, alot of people talk about the95000:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,970future phone market as beingsomething that's sort of95100:56:17,970 --> 00:56:22,470transition transitionary ortemporary. It might be, but it95200:56:22,470 --> 00:56:24,690might not, I frankly, thinkwe're talking about decades95300:56:24,690 --> 00:56:28,590before we're anywhere near, youknow, having everybody on a95400:56:28,590 --> 00:56:32,490smartphone with electricity, andinternet and all of that. So I95500:56:32,490 --> 00:56:33,450think there's a long way to go.95600:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,470The I remember now, it was $22million that Google invested in95700:56:37,470 --> 00:56:42,600KY iOS, and they did it to have,you know, the integrate Google95800:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,720Search, Google Maps, YouTube,Google Assistant, Google95900:56:45,720 --> 00:56:50,940Assistant, on CK iOS, is quiteimpressive. But of course,96000:56:51,390 --> 00:56:56,460anyone who's using in America, afeature phone is anti Google,96100:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,790probably doesn't really wantthat feature. But I remember the96200:56:59,790 --> 00:57:02,190Google Assistant being reallygood.96300:57:05,190 --> 00:57:07,620Yeah, I think, Dave, you wereasking a while ago, what we're96400:57:07,620 --> 00:57:09,840doing about search. And that'sactually one of the answers to96500:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,200that on Geo, they have their ownversion of this. And in the US,96600:57:13,410 --> 00:57:16,230and around the world. They'vegot Google Assistant, you can96700:57:16,230 --> 00:57:19,500hold down the center enterbutton. And I think after two or96800:57:19,500 --> 00:57:21,870three seconds, a microphone willappear. And you can speak what96900:57:21,870 --> 00:57:25,110you want. So I could say like,you know, podcasting 2.0. And97000:57:25,110 --> 00:57:27,360then it'll put that into theinput box, which is really97100:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,160powerful. Like you were sayingwhether or not you like Google97200:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,660ads. It's a really nice feature97300:57:30,839 --> 00:57:35,039to have. Yeah. And they makethat where does that API come97400:57:35,039 --> 00:57:39,059from? Is that something thatthey coyote is baked in for on97500:57:39,059 --> 00:57:40,379Google's behalf? Or is that97600:57:40,469 --> 00:57:43,739for $20? million? For $20?million? That's what that's97700:57:43,739 --> 00:57:49,049right. Hello, hey, hey, Googlewill bake in no problem. We'll97800:57:49,049 --> 00:57:51,929bake it into the cookie dough,but we'll make you.97900:57:53,909 --> 00:57:56,189Yeah, it's just part of thestandard framework. If you have98000:57:56,189 --> 00:57:58,829an input element, it's justthere. I think you can disable98100:57:58,829 --> 00:58:02,819it if you want to. So you know,if you want to get rid of that98200:58:02,819 --> 00:58:05,309feature, and then they show amicrophone icon, and that's98300:58:05,309 --> 00:58:07,199actually a shadow element. Ifyou talk about how that's98400:58:07,199 --> 00:58:10,079implemented, like in the ShadowDOM, you can see that it's just98500:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,079like another, I don't know, gearfor an SVG or something that98600:58:13,079 --> 00:58:14,339they load over the input.98700:58:15,179 --> 00:58:20,339It just blows my mind that onus, you'd have a feature phone98800:58:20,369 --> 00:58:26,249with it has all these limitedhardware. And the choice you98900:58:26,249 --> 00:58:31,709make for that platform, as theiOS is essentially like a99000:58:31,709 --> 00:58:37,079deconstructed browser instead ofsomething like I don't know,99100:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,899some sort of real time or notreal time though, as some sort99200:58:39,899 --> 00:58:45,209of embeddable Oh, s like Q and xare in was at tins, and I forgot99300:58:45,209 --> 00:58:48,479what Samson's thing like there'sa lot of these embeddable OH S99400:58:48,479 --> 00:58:52,559is and it is funny that they,that what you get with kaios is99500:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,269essentially a browser. But, butif you can do it that way, it99600:58:57,269 --> 00:59:00,689makes so much sense. Because youjust get all this sort of stuff99700:59:00,689 --> 00:59:06,209for free, you get a really goodlayout with CSS, and you get all99800:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,059the standard browser, and youalso get instant developer99900:59:09,059 --> 00:59:11,609support because any front enddeveloper could really kind of100000:59:12,029 --> 00:59:14,549understand it, even if thedocumentation is not that great.100100:59:15,059 --> 00:59:17,639Like, it makes so much sense.But it's still kind of blows my100200:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,539mind that you can cram a browserinto such limited constrained100300:59:21,539 --> 00:59:22,229hardware,100400:59:22,619 --> 00:59:27,809you know. Yeah, the, I mean, thehistory it's based on Firefox.100500:59:27,809 --> 00:59:30,239Oh, so under the hood, it'sreally just running the Firefox100600:59:30,239 --> 00:59:33,419browser. It's like you said,it's really interesting,100700:59:33,569 --> 00:59:35,759especially when you look at thenewer devices coming out.100800:59:35,909 --> 00:59:38,819They're, they're pretty smooth.Now. You know, the early devices100900:59:38,819 --> 00:59:40,799like that banana phone that youmight have had was a little101000:59:40,799 --> 00:59:42,719janky. But do long101100:59:42,750 --> 00:59:48,210Nokia 8110 Yeah, I have five ofthose. I ordered them all from101200:59:48,210 --> 00:59:51,330China, and none of them workedon the US networks, but they101300:59:51,330 --> 00:59:54,630were like 30 bucks like oh,yeah, there's the Nokia and I101400:59:54,630 --> 00:59:57,630got the one from the UK not andeven though they said oh, yes,101500:59:57,660 --> 01:00:01,680working America very good asperfect system. He said with a101601:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,490racist accent. And it didn't ofcourse, but man, I love that I101701:00:05,490 --> 01:00:07,620had the original one the matrixphone.101801:00:09,420 --> 01:00:12,120Oh, yeah, they're, they'recollector's items at this point.101901:00:12,149 --> 01:00:16,019Yeah. Like, there was a manNokia had a phone that fit in102001:00:16,019 --> 01:00:18,209the palm of your hand back inthe day. Do you remember that102101:00:18,209 --> 01:00:18,539one?102201:00:20,099 --> 01:00:21,269It sounds like a lot of them102301:00:21,630 --> 01:00:24,630now, but I mean, it was it wasminiature. What was the102401:00:25,170 --> 01:00:26,130miniature Nokia?102501:00:26,159 --> 01:00:29,279I don't remember that Nokia whenI had an Ericsson that would fit102601:00:29,279 --> 01:00:31,499in the palm of your hand. Oh, sotiny. This102701:00:31,500 --> 01:00:37,470was even smaller. This was eventhis was the 3310 mini102801:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,2493310. Yeah,102901:00:41,670 --> 01:00:44,310it fits in between your thumband your forefinger.103001:00:45,150 --> 01:00:47,100Are you kidding me? Yeah. Yeah,103101:00:47,099 --> 01:00:49,529you could you could barely makea phone call. You could? It was103201:00:49,529 --> 01:00:54,329impossible to text. Yeah, it wasimpossible to text. The other103301:00:54,329 --> 01:00:57,389thing they have a mini 2021. Nowwhat is this? This is also a103401:00:57,389 --> 01:01:01,979mini mini? I can't tell. No,that's that's a smartphone.103501:01:02,189 --> 01:01:06,659Yeah, it's just oh, it was goodtimes, man. Good times.103601:01:08,220 --> 01:01:11,220Yeah, that device looks crazy.Next, I gotta get that to run CK103701:01:11,220 --> 01:01:13,380iOS. Right? How does thatwearable?103801:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,650Even work? Your album mark canbe? It can be 64 by 64 pixels.103901:01:20,100 --> 01:01:26,160Pixel pixels. Yes. That's aboutright. So what's your what is104001:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,860your device lineup look like? Imean, you said you had an array104101:01:28,860 --> 01:01:34,650of phones? What? How do you makesure that that it looks decent104201:01:34,650 --> 01:01:37,380across everything? If you're indo you have to? I'm assuming,104301:01:37,650 --> 01:01:39,990I'm assuming here says you don'tuse the simulator. Did you have104401:01:39,990 --> 01:01:43,050to unplug? replug? Build?Unplug? replug? No, you have to104501:01:43,050 --> 01:01:45,480go through this pop up scenario.104601:01:47,310 --> 01:01:50,190Yes. So I actually one of thethings that I did was spend the104701:01:50,190 --> 01:01:53,850time to make sure that the appworks. The same build works on104801:01:53,850 --> 01:01:56,250all environment that doesn'tmatter whether it's a geophone104901:01:56,250 --> 01:01:58,260doesn't matter if it's an iOSphone doesn't matter if it's chi105001:01:58,260 --> 01:02:01,860was two, five or three Oh, soit's the same build runs105101:02:01,860 --> 01:02:04,530everywhere. And that took alittle bit of extra time to do105201:02:04,530 --> 01:02:08,190all of that sort of detection,environment detection at105301:02:08,190 --> 01:02:11,040runtime, but it definitely helpsme because I don't have to then105401:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,680spend all this time thinkingabout managing five different105501:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,860builds. And then my lifeliterally got like these things105601:02:16,860 --> 01:02:20,250sitting on the floor. I've gotthat that baby the the 8110 4g105701:02:20,250 --> 01:02:24,330The Matrix phone and yellow.I've gotten to geophones. I've105801:02:24,330 --> 01:02:29,580got two Alcatel flip phones.I've got some one from Europe.105901:02:29,610 --> 01:02:31,980That was I don't know how thisit was like a prototype model106001:02:31,980 --> 01:02:34,830that was on eBay that I saw andI bought it came pre routed106101:02:34,830 --> 01:02:37,500which was amazing. I didn't haveto do anything like came with Su106201:02:37,500 --> 01:02:42,090and salt. Yeah, and then I'vegot a couple others I got like106301:02:42,090 --> 01:02:44,850this blue phone. That's anabsolute piece of trash. It106401:02:44,850 --> 01:02:49,230sells for like 30 bucks. It itsounds awful on it because it's106501:02:49,230 --> 01:02:52,110got I think a moto speaker onthe back. And so you listen to106601:02:52,110 --> 01:02:55,800it and everything sounds likeyou're listening to tinfoil. But106701:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,590yeah, using the whole array,it's pretty easy to test and106801:02:58,590 --> 01:03:01,260then I don't always test it oneverything because the screen106901:03:01,260 --> 01:03:04,110size is the same for everydevice, every screen resolution107001:03:04,110 --> 01:03:08,280rather not size. So yeah, Idon't really have to do too much107101:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,820in terms of layout conformity,but definitely some around like107201:03:11,820 --> 01:03:14,010feature capability. I wastesting the geophones,107301:03:14,250 --> 01:03:18,240performance and that kind ofthing. Yeah. Yeah, that so what107401:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,060like so if the screens are thesame resolution, I guess they107501:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,700just stretch them and sort ofadapt them to a little bit107601:03:23,790 --> 01:03:25,710different format.107701:03:27,060 --> 01:03:31,980Yeah, every screen is 240 by320. And then the only only107801:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,890exception to that rule is thegeophone. Two with the keyboard,107901:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,140which is just left with 320 by240.108001:03:37,740 --> 01:03:42,090Oh, sideways, okay, I guess Yep.Yeah, that's you essentially,108101:03:42,090 --> 01:03:45,660guys, so what you have is likea, an old school like GarageBand108201:03:45,660 --> 01:03:48,000pedal board with like, you know,all the all this lineup of108301:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,320devices on it, like, distortionpedals plan Jurina. That's108401:03:52,320 --> 01:03:52,680funny.108501:03:53,969 --> 01:03:55,919Yeah, I definitely you'retalking about the different108601:03:55,949 --> 01:03:59,609classes. I have a couple otherNokia phones. And I've been108701:03:59,609 --> 01:04:02,129thinking someday about trying tomake one for one of those real108801:04:02,129 --> 01:04:05,069time iOS is something with like,you know, like eight megabytes108901:04:05,069 --> 01:04:08,069of RAM. How would you even makethat work? And so that that109001:04:08,069 --> 01:04:10,769would be a really interestingchallenge to have to, to work109101:04:10,769 --> 01:04:11,099through.109201:04:11,519 --> 01:04:13,349assembly language, all assemblylanguage.109301:04:14,820 --> 01:04:16,350Sounds maintainable? Yes,109401:04:16,349 --> 01:04:20,219yes. So do you have like somekind of build pipeline that you109501:04:20,219 --> 01:04:23,519have that where you like, pushout a build and it and it109601:04:23,729 --> 01:04:27,299adapted for each one of thosedifferent devices? You said? He109701:04:27,299 --> 01:04:29,129said, so that you don't have tobuild uniques109801:04:30,690 --> 01:04:33,600it's the same build everywhere.So it's the same compiled109901:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,140JavaScript, whether it's runningon one phone or the other. So110001:04:37,140 --> 01:04:39,330that's, that's pretty easy tomanage. And I use roll up for110101:04:39,330 --> 01:04:42,960the build process, which I thinkis fine. I haven't invested too110201:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,540much time into the differenttools, but I know there's at one110301:04:45,540 --> 01:04:47,610point I use webpack. There'slike a million out there now.110401:04:48,210 --> 01:04:53,760Yeah. Webpack thanks so much.Sorry, sorry, the JavaScript110501:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,310guys but Webpack is a steamingpile of garbage.110601:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,350This developer talk is So sexykeep going.110701:05:01,740 --> 01:05:05,250Sorry. As I see the floor toyou. Yeah.110801:05:06,150 --> 01:05:10,830Well, no, I, I guess the thebefore we get to our break here110901:05:10,830 --> 01:05:13,410and thank a couple people, isthere anything else that we111001:05:13,410 --> 01:05:15,330could do to make it moreefficient for you?111101:05:19,140 --> 01:05:21,150Yeah, that's a reallyinteresting question. I think111201:05:21,150 --> 01:05:24,270you've already done a lot, likeI mentioned through alternative111301:05:24,270 --> 01:05:29,280enclosures and images. I'll haveto have to give it a little bit111401:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,160more thought. But I think, like,I definitely see it going in the111501:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,310right direction. There hasn'tbeen, you know, I haven't111601:05:35,310 --> 01:05:37,950supported every tag yet, partlybecause of time. And partly111701:05:37,950 --> 01:05:41,490because some of the constraintson these devices like real time111801:05:41,490 --> 01:05:45,270streaming is definitely a wholedifferent can of worms than, you111901:05:45,270 --> 01:05:49,200know, just loading like a anmp3. But yeah, I think if112001:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,960anything, it's just theawareness of this will help112101:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,960podcasters understand. And thenat some point, I'd like to help112201:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,230build tools to show people whatit would look like on pot LP, or112301:05:58,230 --> 01:06:01,530other apps so that they can getan appreciation for the places112401:06:01,530 --> 01:06:04,470their podcast could be. Andthat'll help them think about112501:06:04,470 --> 01:06:07,830like, whether you're talkingabout names or descriptions or112601:06:07,830 --> 01:06:10,620images or anything like that. Iknow, like pod news, for112701:06:10,620 --> 01:06:13,260example, they were doing podcastimages, and it was really cool112801:06:13,260 --> 01:06:17,370how they adapted the logo to gofrom one that includes like word112901:06:17,370 --> 01:06:20,340marks and a full detail to onethat when it gets scaled down to113001:06:20,340 --> 01:06:22,740like 300 or less is justiconography.113101:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,920I love that I love I love itwhen they take when people take113201:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,710time to really care about thedifferent sizes, and they just113301:06:28,710 --> 01:06:29,220run it through113401:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,110like that. He's very good aboutit, because I think the RSS113501:06:34,110 --> 01:06:38,640generator creates one thumbnail,but I probably I probably113601:06:38,640 --> 01:06:44,010haven't really focused on as acreator of this. I haven't been113701:06:44,010 --> 01:06:47,610educated been schooled. Exactlyon I mean, I understand the113801:06:47,610 --> 01:06:50,820concept. Let me just see,because we have it podcasting.113901:06:50,850 --> 01:06:57,8702.0 I think we had ones autogenerated. What sizes and I114001:06:57,870 --> 01:07:01,440guess I can put more in and sois there is there standard? Here114101:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,070it is I've got114201:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,230what is this at some time at thegenie?114301:07:07,560 --> 01:07:14,730Yeah, exactly. The 816 pixels.That's the width. I'm not quite114401:07:14,730 --> 01:07:18,330sure I understand all of this.So I bet I can add one here. So114501:07:18,330 --> 01:07:24,510what sizes do you need? So I cando this the right way? How do I114601:07:24,510 --> 01:07:29,370find out about this? So I putthat in all of my. Yeah, so I114701:07:29,370 --> 01:07:32,490put it in all of my, my systems.114801:07:33,690 --> 01:07:37,710Yeah, I think podcasting the the2.0 icon scales down pretty114901:07:37,710 --> 01:07:40,590well, just the way it is. But ifyou're, if you're a podcaster115001:07:40,590 --> 01:07:43,200out there, and you've got likewordmarks, or like really115101:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,770detailed images, where you needto see sort of the nuance, but115201:07:46,950 --> 01:07:49,830just scale it down to 300 by300. And then scale down again115301:07:49,830 --> 01:07:53,190to 128 by 128. And see what itlooks like, if it looks good on115401:07:53,190 --> 01:07:55,710your computer, then great, it'sprobably fine. If it's like a115501:07:55,710 --> 01:08:00,600really, you know, high key sortof saturated icon based image,115601:08:00,750 --> 01:08:02,940it'll probably be fine. But ifyou've got like a really115701:08:02,940 --> 01:08:06,000detailed photograph that you'reusing, maybe of a person or a115801:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,910place, just think about whatthat will look like when you115901:08:08,910 --> 01:08:11,640scale it down to something like128. And if it if it doesn't116001:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,730look right, then you might needto make some changes to how to116101:08:14,730 --> 01:08:15,420get presented.116201:08:16,830 --> 01:08:19,800You know, what would be great isto have like some like a, I116301:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,630don't know, if you do stuff likethis Thomas, but have like some116401:08:21,630 --> 01:08:25,560kind of blog post or somethingwhere you sort of go over a116501:08:25,560 --> 01:08:32,820thumbnail sketch of what theperfect set of constraints for116601:08:32,820 --> 01:08:38,880an RSS feed would look like tobe presentable on pod LPs to 9116701:08:38,880 --> 01:08:44,250million. Yeah, yet image art ofthis album are the days this116801:08:44,250 --> 01:08:49,620resolution, using the end, usethe images tag, you know, use116901:08:49,620 --> 01:08:52,080alternate enclosure with acouple of with these specific117001:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,990bit rates, like something likethat would be fantastic. We ever117101:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,930had time because then we could,you know, push that out there117201:08:57,930 --> 01:09:01,740and make just raise awarenessthat these, this is such a big117301:09:01,740 --> 01:09:02,190market.117401:09:04,170 --> 01:09:06,690That's a great idea. Yeah, we'vegot a blog at blog dot Patel117501:09:06,690 --> 01:09:09,690p.com definitely could use morelove, I don't post there very117601:09:09,690 --> 01:09:14,010frequently. So that's a good oneto post about to show both the117701:09:14,010 --> 01:09:16,620imagery, like you were saying,and then sort of behind the117801:09:16,620 --> 01:09:18,690scenes what that would looklike, you know, right now it's a117901:09:18,690 --> 01:09:21,000little bit tricky, because Idon't I don't think I know of a118001:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,550podcast host that supportsimages, but I don't, I also118101:09:23,550 --> 01:09:25,800don't see why they wouldn'tmoving forward because at the118201:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,990very least if all you do isscale down the album art,118301:09:28,140 --> 01:09:30,180they're gonna save money onbandwidth in the future. Because118401:09:30,390 --> 01:09:32,340if you click in and all you seeis the thumbnail and you don't118501:09:32,340 --> 01:09:34,890go to the details and load thefull image. And that's, you118601:09:34,890 --> 01:09:37,740know, like I said 93% ofbandwidth on that image they're118701:09:37,740 --> 01:09:38,820not loading and paying for.118801:09:39,060 --> 01:09:43,680And I encourage you to highlightany of the podcasts that show118901:09:43,710 --> 01:09:48,660all of the tags in use on the CKiOS device. Now there's this119001:09:48,690 --> 01:09:52,290very popular Indian podcasterHis name is curry and he has a119101:09:52,290 --> 01:09:54,960number of podcasts and youshould you should consider you119201:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,630consider highlighting some ofthose shows to show off what119301:09:57,630 --> 01:09:59,100podcasting really can do.119401:10:00,690 --> 01:10:06,930That's the owner of curry.com.Right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I119501:10:06,930 --> 01:10:08,490heard that somewhere. I don't Idon't recall. But119601:10:08,490 --> 01:10:12,600in all seriousness, you know,I'm, I'm just somebody who119701:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,860probably should ask all appdevelopers is anytime that you119801:10:16,860 --> 01:10:22,350can highlight any podcasting 2.0compatible show now and maybe119901:10:22,350 --> 01:10:26,700say, Hey, look at the future ofpodcasting. And this is what you120001:10:26,700 --> 01:10:29,790can do now. Hey, are you apodcaster? You can do this.120101:10:29,820 --> 01:10:30,960Learn more here?120201:10:32,370 --> 01:10:37,140Yep. Yeah, that's a good point.I think I remember pinging the120301:10:37,170 --> 01:10:39,540your Twitter handle, I thinkmaybe Dave, you respond to that120401:10:39,540 --> 01:10:42,150when I was when I was startingto build some of the support for120501:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,480different tags. I was like, hey,what podcast do I use to test120601:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,430this on? Like, is there oneactually out there that I can120701:10:47,430 --> 01:10:47,880use?120801:10:50,370 --> 01:10:53,100I don't remember which one Igave you. Probably John. Jg120901:10:53,250 --> 01:10:56,400because he he's, he's moreraves. He's a bigger builder at121001:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,590the beginning than we were.Yeah. Yeah.121101:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,810We finally got all the tags. Soyeah,121201:11:01,020 --> 01:11:05,070no, I know, you get a heart out,Thomas. And coming up in do we121301:11:05,070 --> 01:11:06,600want to go ahead and thank somepeople. Yeah. Do121401:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,850you want to hang around while wedo this? Thomas, we can we can121501:11:08,850 --> 01:11:12,090say goodbye after that. Yeah,sounds good. Okay, this is the121601:11:12,090 --> 01:11:17,550most fun part of the show. Itis. This is a value for value121701:11:17,550 --> 01:11:21,300project, the whole project isvalue for value. So not just the121801:11:21,300 --> 01:11:25,380podcast, but everything that youheard us talking about is all121901:11:25,380 --> 01:11:29,310supported by people who eitherwant to support the project or122001:11:29,340 --> 01:11:31,860in the project. That's wheremost of our support comes from.122101:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,570And you can do that through anumber of means. You can boost122201:11:36,570 --> 01:11:40,140us through any modern podcastapp at new podcast apps calm,122301:11:40,410 --> 01:11:45,240but we also fully accept Fiatfun coupon so as long as they're122401:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,860good, as through our paper,which you can find a podcast122501:11:49,860 --> 01:11:52,710index.org on the bottom Big Reddonate button. Who do we think122601:11:52,710 --> 01:11:53,370this week Dave?122701:11:54,480 --> 01:11:59,100Well, right out of the gate.Marco Arment. $500. Yeah.122801:12:00,450 --> 01:12:03,090Yes, every month, man, thank youso much, Marco.122901:12:03,540 --> 01:12:09,330Yeah. And I'm just gonna, I'mhoping I'm pretty sure he said123001:12:09,330 --> 01:12:12,960he was working on chapters awhile back soon as soon as he123101:12:13,140 --> 01:12:17,820puts in the first podcasting 2.0Tag support. It's all over. All123201:12:17,820 --> 01:12:20,670over. I'm going to work. I'mgoing to work hard on getting123301:12:20,670 --> 01:12:23,610him on the show. So we can wecan talk about it. Oh,123401:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,480that'd be cool. That would be agood get, as we say in the123501:12:27,480 --> 01:12:28,050business.123601:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,810He does. I think he does showsevery now and then. Yeah, very123701:12:30,810 --> 01:12:34,500often. But yeah. Thank you,Mark. I really appreciate it.123801:12:34,500 --> 01:12:37,140That's one of the biggestsustaining donations that we123901:12:37,140 --> 01:12:41,400have on a monthly basis. AndMike this is all over the map124001:12:41,460 --> 01:12:44,820the ad usually everything niceto separate a bit it's just a124101:12:44,820 --> 01:12:49,740big pile of paper right now.Michael Gagan give us $5 And and124201:12:49,740 --> 01:12:53,520I think yeah Michael gun he's amonthly supporter. Thank you124301:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,690Michael. Charles current give us$5 That's a monthly124401:12:58,289 --> 01:13:01,589as these things matter a lotthat's a whole server.124501:13:02,039 --> 01:13:08,009Yeah, it is yeah the $5 serversat five bucks pays for a one of124601:13:08,009 --> 01:13:13,349our ingest mesh core one of ourmeant core search boxes124701:13:13,589 --> 01:13:16,169Hey and even with Is there anyinflation on that yet from124801:13:16,169 --> 01:13:16,739Linode?124901:13:17,550 --> 01:13:21,120No, no, they were they somehowmanaged to resist the125001:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,790inflationary pressure. Oh good.It's PPP money. Chris bars Ron's125101:13:26,790 --> 01:13:32,010and is 2552 Nice little new. Wecall it numerology Palindrome,125201:13:32,280 --> 01:13:41,340Palindrome that's it. It says gopodcasting. Indeed. Thank you,125301:13:41,340 --> 01:13:45,120Chris, that Timothy Hudgens. Mybuddy, give us $25 That's a125401:13:45,120 --> 01:13:50,250recurring monthly. Thank you,Tim. Might be sent in and I'm125501:13:50,250 --> 01:13:55,440not sure David would find. Giveus $3 That he's a monthly Thank125601:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,980you, David. Oh, we got a newautomatic get a new monthly125701:13:58,980 --> 01:14:03,150subscription from and I'mthinking this is the yep, this125801:14:03,150 --> 01:14:10,020Dutch dollar a month but hisname is vessel. Proust.125901:14:10,470 --> 01:14:13,530Is it vessels The first one wasthe last name I spell it?126001:14:13,950 --> 01:14:20,190Tr o s t roast? Roast? Yes.That's a tourist. Is it is that126101:14:20,190 --> 01:14:21,810perfect? Didn't I nail Yeah, you126201:14:21,810 --> 01:14:24,090Nailed it. Nailed it. You'reDutchman now.126301:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,490Okay, he's from from theNetherlands. Thank126401:14:26,490 --> 01:14:27,000you vessel126501:14:27,480 --> 01:14:34,110Yeah. Let's see Oh, survive onthe mastodon survived lavosh He126601:14:34,110 --> 01:14:38,460gave us $5 That's a monthlydonation. He's that they're126701:14:38,460 --> 01:14:40,830still working on their podcastsystem there.126801:14:40,919 --> 01:14:41,939Now. What are they working on?126901:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,470This I had a meeting with withhis house and he was coming is127001:14:46,470 --> 01:14:46,680it.127101:14:47,190 --> 01:14:49,650You had a meeting and you didn'tinvite me? No,127201:14:49,650 --> 01:14:54,210no, it's just like two months.Yeah. Soon thing. I'm not I'm127301:14:54,210 --> 01:14:55,740not allowed to have meetings.127401:14:56,310 --> 01:14:58,080Meetings without me know127501:15:00,750 --> 01:15:04,380Let's see Keith Gibson, bigsupporter if for a long time127601:15:04,380 --> 01:15:11,640give us $50 As a $50 Thank you,Keith. Dwayne Goldy long timer127701:15:11,700 --> 01:15:18,540$8 $8 a month. Thank you forjoining Paul Erskine. $11.14127801:15:19,110 --> 01:15:20,310That's another monthly Thankyou.127901:15:20,430 --> 01:15:21,210Interesting number.128001:15:21,660 --> 01:15:25,440Thank you. Oh, yeah, he missedit it added up at the end of the128101:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,480year you total them all up andit adds up to something.128201:15:27,510 --> 01:15:30,450Oh, he's got an annual donationgot it. Cool. Yeah.128301:15:31,470 --> 01:15:36,930Oh, here we go. BenjaminBellamy. Our buddy yes off. 50128401:15:37,020 --> 01:15:42,270gives $50 Oh, thanks. says thankyou for your unwavering128501:15:42,270 --> 01:15:46,200dedication to keep podcastingopen. Happy podcasting. 2.0 A128601:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,600year ago podcasting Viva laboos. Yes.128701:15:52,140 --> 01:15:58,980And now as the French say, it istimeful loose. It must hurt a128801:15:58,980 --> 01:16:04,830Frenchman to do the accentuatedFrench accent as a gag It must128901:16:04,830 --> 01:16:07,440hurt him it's really appreciatedBenjamin Thank you.129001:16:08,670 --> 01:16:12,960I think he gets loads ofamusement from it probably yes129101:16:12,960 --> 01:16:13,590yes yeah, the129201:16:13,590 --> 01:16:16,140French are so much smarter thanwe are this you just above it.129301:16:16,170 --> 01:16:19,920Oh yes, I make them laugh.Little American podcast people's129401:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,700plebes flips the podcast plebs.129501:16:24,540 --> 01:16:27,900Okay, we've got a new we guessthose are papers we get some129601:16:27,900 --> 01:16:32,220booster grams that we get Yeah,we've also got a new new jingle129701:16:32,250 --> 01:16:33,960Oh hello.129801:16:34,830 --> 01:16:35,940from Cali bear129901:16:35,940 --> 01:16:42,720I seem to I seem to hear himboth post from last week. Love130001:16:42,720 --> 01:16:42,840it130101:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,070nice130201:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,050cows loading this up man it'slike a Training130301:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,030link to that is in the shownotes it's the boost bait link130401:17:00,060 --> 01:17:01,140if you're looking for it130501:17:01,770 --> 01:17:04,800don't you want to do this tom?Thomas Don't you want to get on130601:17:04,830 --> 01:17:08,280get in on the on the boostinglink and sets booster gram train130701:17:08,790 --> 01:17:09,300it's awesome130801:17:12,150 --> 01:17:14,040Thomas's like left the room130901:17:16,710 --> 01:17:21,510No, yeah. Like I said I it's adifferent world for me. I don't131001:17:22,260 --> 01:17:24,690I don't know how can I acceptcrypto payment on iOS?131101:17:25,470 --> 01:17:29,070We give we don't understand anyof the details we just give you131201:17:29,070 --> 01:17:32,160a rational pressure to try tomake you do thing that's just131301:17:32,160 --> 01:17:32,940how it works around you.131401:17:34,590 --> 01:17:37,170We can show you we can show youhow to do that with wallets and131501:17:37,170 --> 01:17:39,090everything when when you'reready for Thomas.131601:17:39,450 --> 01:17:47,610Yeah, yeah. A breeze anonymous6969 SAS showed show donation131701:17:47,610 --> 01:17:52,350from last week. Nice and themessage is simply boost boosts131801:17:55,050 --> 01:18:01,800what we got here up drips got10,000 SATs go podcasting.131901:18:01,830 --> 01:18:07,200Yeah thank you Dr. Scott man theBruce Wayne is podcasting 2.0132001:18:08,760 --> 01:18:13,020He's like can I do more can Ilike you know change your tires132101:18:13,020 --> 01:18:16,650I'll do anything I want to domore for podcasting 2.0 dread132201:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,390you are going above and beyondbrother above and beyond. He's132301:18:21,390 --> 01:18:25,800the the the chapter factory unachapter good names a good name132401:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,010chapter factory and even132501:18:29,700 --> 01:18:36,300blueberry gave us the fountaingave us a 12 by 12,121 says One132601:18:36,300 --> 01:18:41,880to One to One. Thank youPalindrome one boost to boost132701:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,230red boost blue boost132801:18:43,230 --> 01:18:44,220yeah132901:18:46,170 --> 01:18:52,080as a lyricist we get some newnames in here by the way too. We133001:18:52,080 --> 01:18:57,240got see through fountain you gota 3330 sets from somebody named133101:18:57,270 --> 01:18:58,290horn loaded133201:18:59,310 --> 01:19:02,310no one load has been around Ithink so no agenda person maybe133301:19:02,730 --> 01:19:06,990okay my rep was dragged waspushing boosting on no agenda133401:19:06,990 --> 01:19:10,200social pretty hard so I thinkhe's he's pushing people the133501:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,260Rogan appearance may start tokick in a little bit this stuff133601:19:13,260 --> 01:19:15,540there it comes in waves go slow133701:19:15,930 --> 01:19:21,000yeah dread doing doing more evenmore work? Go podcasting is what133801:19:21,000 --> 01:19:28,470Hornet is Yeah. Here we go. MereMortals podcast. This is from133901:19:28,470 --> 01:19:34,920our buddy Kyron 4321 SAS 4321through fountain A says, Does134001:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,480does this hinted at company asthe ability to onboard people134101:19:39,480 --> 01:19:42,960worldwide. I would love to givespecific instructions to134201:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,950listeners and what needs tochange based on location. always134301:19:46,980 --> 01:19:50,790hearing about cool things untilthe end sentence is except if134401:19:50,790 --> 01:19:56,130you live in X. I know this painall too well where we're the134501:19:56,130 --> 01:20:01,560world's taint. Australia, theworld's team I like, and I'll be134601:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,150at extremely large andtesterone.134701:20:05,310 --> 01:20:07,950Did you put that in his note?Yes, yes.134801:20:08,820 --> 01:20:11,850Australia is the origintesterone filled tank of the134901:20:11,850 --> 01:20:12,570world. Hey,135001:20:12,600 --> 01:20:17,940this is a tight mate. So weactually had a meeting with with135101:20:17,940 --> 01:20:23,340said company, and which wasinteresting. We we learned a lot135201:20:23,340 --> 01:20:29,400about their business. And wherewe're at right now is, indeed135301:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,400they would like to do itworldwide. I don't know if they135401:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,520actually have that mechanism. Itseemed like they don't have it135501:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,340yet. But that that is theintent. And we discussed that135601:20:38,340 --> 01:20:39,150specifically.135701:20:39,750 --> 01:20:43,080Yeah. And there seemed like partof it and they work in the other135801:20:43,140 --> 01:20:44,880and part of it might not.135901:20:45,420 --> 01:20:50,730Yeah, well, the one part thatmay actually work is that you136001:20:50,730 --> 01:20:54,180know, what they want to do isvery simple. A sign up bonus,136101:20:54,180 --> 01:20:59,160you sign up to buy bitcointhrough them, they give you $5 A136201:20:59,190 --> 01:21:04,140free insets right into yourpodcast wallet. That's the idea.136301:21:05,940 --> 01:21:09,660So we'll have to talk about thetank territories.136401:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,120Territories136501:21:12,180 --> 01:21:16,710these guys seem like they wantto move fast. So we're, we'll136601:21:16,770 --> 01:21:20,130we'll keep you posted. I'm surehope so. But I understand that136701:21:20,130 --> 01:21:22,830and I know it's one ofCleveland's biggest complaints136801:21:22,830 --> 01:21:28,740and this rightly so. But this isa There you go this is the this136901:21:28,740 --> 01:21:32,010is this is a problem thatBitcoin solves everybody can use137001:21:32,010 --> 01:21:36,030Bitcoin all over the world rightnow today sending value to any137101:21:36,030 --> 01:21:38,220podcast or anywhere in theworld. And137201:21:38,490 --> 01:21:41,340the problem the problem here isnot the Bitcoin The problem here137301:21:41,340 --> 01:21:43,560is the traditional banking andfinance137401:21:43,589 --> 01:21:47,669industry. Yes, so but you canbuy bitcoin somewhere in137501:21:47,669 --> 01:21:49,079Australia, I presume?137601:21:49,680 --> 01:21:57,390Yes. hardhat give us 22 To22 22,222 SATs road ducks oh yes137701:21:57,390 --> 01:21:58,800is happy content137801:22:06,570 --> 01:22:10,800chair Pharaoh gave us 3333 setsthrough fountain he says All137901:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,570Aboard trains good planes bad.138001:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,540Oh shoot man. Oh, you138101:22:15,540 --> 01:22:17,100didn't have it loaded up? No.138201:22:17,370 --> 01:22:20,400How do I know that? Oh, yeah,they're gonna hear me go.138301:22:21,750 --> 01:22:31,200Trains planes anonymous threwbreeze gave us a row of ducks.138401:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,7102222 And he says great new rowof ducks. Boost jingle Yeah,138501:22:34,740 --> 01:22:35,700we'd like it a lot.138601:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,780Brian of London through curiocaster said he gets a 19,400 ad138701:22:45,780 --> 01:22:50,220sets. He says add up my boostamount for that mention. Adam,138801:22:50,220 --> 01:22:53,160thank you. I would honestly saythat your words about pod paying138901:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,020are the best thing I've everbeen told about anything I've139001:22:55,020 --> 01:22:58,440ever built on a computer evenbeyond my PhD. It means a huge139101:22:58,440 --> 01:22:59,070amount to me.139201:22:59,940 --> 01:23:05,460Wow, a heartfelt note. Well, andit just so happens. I do have139301:23:05,940 --> 01:23:10,140diplomas that I hand out for forthese occasions so that not only139401:23:10,830 --> 01:23:13,770was it a better feeling thanyour PhD, I will top it with a139501:23:13,770 --> 01:23:18,330very nice certificate. But it'sbut I meant it. Brian and I139601:23:18,330 --> 01:23:21,390appreciate you using the boosterGraham to contribute content to139701:23:21,390 --> 01:23:21,840the show.139801:23:22,620 --> 01:23:28,080Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Brianand Alex for all yes work you're139901:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,870putting into Park pod payingit's it's killer using pod ping140001:23:30,870 --> 01:23:31,710in any way. Thomas.140101:23:33,450 --> 01:23:35,940I was actually just exploringthat this past week to figure140201:23:35,940 --> 01:23:39,330out the best way to connect itto our systems. Okay, so I140301:23:39,330 --> 01:23:40,860definitely plan to in the nearfuture.140401:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,940Hit me up with any thing youneed. I mean, it's all very140501:23:44,940 --> 01:23:48,330simplistic from the consumptionand so I can I can give you code140601:23:48,330 --> 01:23:50,700or whatever, you know, whateveryou need for to make that140701:23:50,700 --> 01:23:57,360happen. It's very simple. John,John's wbrt gave us 49 For140801:23:57,360 --> 01:24:03,96090 49,490 sets. Wow fountain, hesays putts ah making up for last140901:24:03,960 --> 01:24:09,390week. Nice John's you're you'reredeemed. That's a good player141001:24:09,390 --> 01:24:09,990he redeemed141101:24:10,020 --> 01:24:13,380yes that's that's a nice dollaramount that's good Fiat fun141201:24:13,380 --> 01:24:13,920stuff.141301:24:15,780 --> 01:24:19,800Brian mozzie give us 2222 Roadducks through fountain he says141401:24:19,800 --> 01:24:20,610boost141501:24:22,230 --> 01:24:25,110I got to record you saying thatsometime because that's that's141601:24:25,110 --> 01:24:25,980getting pretty good.141701:24:27,240 --> 01:24:33,900I'm working on it. Sir bargygave us 1500 sets and he says go141801:24:33,900 --> 01:24:43,470podcasting. He said he getstechnically it could be SEO sir141901:24:43,470 --> 01:24:50,850bargy again. 1500 sets gopodcasting. Sir Bill 2222 Road142001:24:50,850 --> 01:24:53,580ducks through fountain he sayscouldn't stop laughing at the142101:24:53,580 --> 01:24:53,850duck142201:24:56,970 --> 01:24:57,690like it too.142301:24:58,169 --> 01:25:02,609Yeah, you're a psychic myfriend. Signs of new growth.142401:25:03,059 --> 01:25:05,549Interesting. I guess that's Ithink that's the name of part of142501:25:05,549 --> 01:25:10,229a podcast. Give us a 33,333 saysHoly142601:25:10,290 --> 01:25:12,270cow. Very nice. Thank you.142701:25:13,050 --> 01:25:19,380In the messages, signs of newsets sounds a new growth. I'm142801:25:19,380 --> 01:25:21,000pretty sure that's a podcast.Yeah, it142901:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,890sounds like it sounds right.Yeah.143001:25:23,910 --> 01:25:29,610Okay. Our buddy cast Pelland3300 sets through fountain and143101:25:29,610 --> 01:25:32,910he says, haha, boost boostchelator143201:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,610is that Dutch booster later? Noboost you later alligator.143301:25:39,930 --> 01:25:43,200Thanks for the work Sunday. Ineed to explain my nickname,143401:25:43,290 --> 01:25:45,030wink. I would love143501:25:45,030 --> 01:25:46,410to hear the news. Oh, boy.143601:25:46,440 --> 01:25:52,800I want to hear that story. Okay.Adam is less enthusiastic. Yeah.143701:25:53,070 --> 01:25:55,830Well, you know that the Dutchthis just a little bit of143801:25:55,830 --> 01:26:01,050history. When Napoleon conqueredthe Netherlands at the time,143901:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,760they made everybody registerwith the government with you144001:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,570know, with with this newtyrannical government and the144101:26:09,570 --> 01:26:13,290Dutch very, very typical. Theysaid, Oh, okay. Yeah, sure.144201:26:13,290 --> 01:26:17,970We'll register What's your name?My name is John's son. Okay.144301:26:18,420 --> 01:26:21,120Yeah. And so you have theweirdest names you know, there's144401:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,670a lot of baker's What's yourname? Baker? You know, cuz the144501:26:23,670 --> 01:26:26,970guy was a baker. What's yourname? Butcher. Okay, John144601:26:26,970 --> 01:26:29,580Butcher. And so this to thisday, there are people with the144701:26:29,580 --> 01:26:33,390weirdest names like you know,butts scratcher and stuff. But144801:26:33,390 --> 01:26:35,760it's really, because you know,of course, some of these people144901:26:35,760 --> 01:26:41,490got drunk like Vinay Yeah, butscratch your feet buds. Gotcha.145001:26:41,910 --> 01:26:43,770Yeah. What's your name? Seymour.And145101:26:45,210 --> 01:26:50,040advocate Ben Dover. Yeah, yeah,it'd be that became, you know,145201:26:50,070 --> 01:26:53,550the the record. They wrote itdown, and everyone stuck with145301:26:53,550 --> 01:26:56,760it. So whenever there's a Dutchan explanation of a Dutch name,145401:26:56,790 --> 01:26:59,250I kind of hold on to my my hat.And you never know what's145501:26:59,250 --> 01:26:59,640coming.145601:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,700It's not my grandmother. Shenever knew how old she was or145701:27:02,700 --> 01:27:05,340any of her relatives where shehad to go look in the145801:27:05,340 --> 01:27:09,450everybody's to write it down inthe Bible in the front pages of145901:27:09,450 --> 01:27:11,250the Bible. I don't know ifthere's any other country that146001:27:11,250 --> 01:27:16,320did this. But like, the firstmaybe 10 pages of all the family146101:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,370Bibles in the US had a genealogysection and you would write down146201:27:20,700 --> 01:27:23,340your mom, your dad, yourbrothers, your sisters and when146301:27:23,340 --> 01:27:27,180they were born. I don't know whyit was that way. But like that's146401:27:27,180 --> 01:27:29,700it had room for that. And youput in the sheet that you'd go146501:27:29,700 --> 01:27:32,220look it up. You know, I waslike, I don't know. I don't146601:27:32,220 --> 01:27:32,580remember.146701:27:32,760 --> 01:27:33,810She lost the Bible.146801:27:34,200 --> 01:27:40,770Yeah, yeah. See this interested?Fountain? This is from somebody146901:27:40,770 --> 01:27:43,290gave us one set. Thanks.147001:27:45,810 --> 01:27:51,720Well it's literally a set147101:27:51,750 --> 01:27:55,920streamer. Okay. What app letsthis happen? Fountain the147201:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,750fountain stops out immediately.147301:27:57,870 --> 01:28:02,430Oscar shut this down. But he didhave a nice note. It says thanks147401:28:02,430 --> 01:28:06,990for having Hasma cook on theshow. Yeah, well, you're147501:28:06,990 --> 01:28:08,130welcome. You know, there's your147601:28:08,130 --> 01:28:11,160Bitcoin community yourphilanthropic Bitcoin community147701:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,660everybody. Thanks for the SAT.147801:28:13,950 --> 01:28:21,450Scott gave us 10,420 sets tofountain nicaise First, thanks147901:28:21,450 --> 01:28:27,900to everyone. Go podcasting. 2.0Yeah, I guess. Around 2010 i148001:28:27,900 --> 01:28:31,440created a Cannabis News andcannabis entrepreneur podcast148101:28:31,620 --> 01:28:34,830and tried starting a cannabispodcast network called cannabis148201:28:34,830 --> 01:28:38,910be Podcast Network pollinatingminds. It might be time to148301:28:38,910 --> 01:28:41,910resurrect the website and gearit all around podcasting. 2.0 I148401:28:41,910 --> 01:28:42,390agree.148501:28:42,510 --> 01:28:47,520Yeah, completely ma'am. I havebeen a bit of a lot of people148601:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,600out there would support it.Because it's very hard to do ads148701:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,210and stuff. It's hard to evenbank if you if you're selling148801:28:54,210 --> 01:28:58,380weed or promoting it or talkingabout it. It's very difficult.148901:28:58,709 --> 01:29:03,059Is Jamaica a big market for KYiOS phones there? Thomas?149001:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,440Check. I think so.149101:29:08,310 --> 01:29:12,300Alright, they got Chinese crapin there. I think it's all they149201:29:12,300 --> 01:29:18,510got Huawei. Like the island?Yes. You're in Jamaica. China149301:29:18,510 --> 01:29:19,710took over Jamaica. i149401:29:20,310 --> 01:29:27,480Okay. Well, join the club. COMcCormick gave us 333 sets the149501:29:27,480 --> 01:29:36,780fountain he says I'm working onmy shit. Okay. All right. Good149601:29:36,780 --> 01:29:42,750luck with that cool. See? Oh,lemon creations. Our buddy Andy149701:29:42,750 --> 01:29:46,890Lehmann gave us 222 sets.Through fountain he says Dave149801:29:46,890 --> 01:29:51,090Thanks for making hella pad. Thenow almost unbroken Hello Pat. I149901:29:51,090 --> 01:29:54,810will talk about that later. Ilove hearing the pew pew as150001:29:54,810 --> 01:29:58,890abuse as a boost comes in abuseis what I said abuse. I love150101:29:58,890 --> 01:30:01,800hearing the pew pew as it Boostcomes in. If you have not150201:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,880checked out my podcast dudes anddads podcast, go to dudes and150301:30:05,880 --> 01:30:10,200dads podcast.com or any newpodcast app. Thank you for all150401:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,780you do with podcast index. Wellyou're welcome Andy. I think150501:30:13,140 --> 01:30:19,920that's it we got a couple more.Almost almost here through it150601:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,630again. Nomad Joe gave us 500sets. He says a boosting to hear150701:30:24,630 --> 01:30:27,510the cowbell. cowbell cowbell.150801:30:27,540 --> 01:30:31,530I haven't had I haven't had acowbell in the studio for 567150901:30:31,530 --> 01:30:35,730years. I don't have account. Ohman. I'm sorry. How you doing?151001:30:36,240 --> 01:30:42,270I got that for you. That's it.That's pretty close. And oh,151101:30:42,480 --> 01:30:46,110wait, somebody else came in.This looks like the same person151201:30:46,110 --> 01:30:50,760that gave us one set. But hegave us 2112 says this time? Oh151301:30:52,620 --> 01:30:56,340yes, sir. Pilgrim. I wonder ifthat's Harry pilgrim says. Hey,151401:30:56,340 --> 01:30:59,820Dave, help Adam. The correct wayto pronounce this boost is a151501:30:59,820 --> 01:31:03,1802112. I'll give him a break onRush since he grew up in151601:31:03,180 --> 01:31:03,600Holland.151701:31:04,440 --> 01:31:08,760Yes, a rush boost. I know. Irecognize the rush boosts151801:31:08,790 --> 01:31:13,320Don't just stand there. Boost.Comic Strip blogger rounding it151901:31:13,320 --> 01:31:18,030out. Give us 10,033 says throughpod friend nice. He says152001:31:18,270 --> 01:31:22,200greetings to Dave Jones into theend to hubby if Tina the keeper.152101:31:22,500 --> 01:31:25,890You're welcome to live. Soyou're now known as the husband152201:31:25,890 --> 01:31:26,790of Tina. Oh, yeah,152301:31:26,850 --> 01:31:30,150I know. She's taken over. She'sShe's now a podcast star. She's152401:31:30,150 --> 01:31:34,800got the bug. She's like makinglists of topics and emailing152501:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,880with people and making new albumart. I know I've unleashed a152601:31:38,880 --> 01:31:39,540beast.152701:31:39,990 --> 01:31:42,720All the nine year olds in myWest. My wife's name is Melissa152801:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,920all the nine year olds in herclass in her classroom. Call me152901:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,260Mr. Melissa. Ooh, nice.153001:31:51,030 --> 01:31:54,090Melissa, Mr. Willis has a cooltruck.153101:31:55,470 --> 01:31:58,320Greetings, Dave Jones in thehubby of Tina the keeper. You're153201:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,080welcome to listen to our podcastabout artificial intelligence153301:32:01,080 --> 01:32:05,190and titled AI cooking. Led byformer BBC actor Gregory William153401:32:05,190 --> 01:32:09,480Forsythe foreman, from Kent inold England. Just search in any153501:32:09,480 --> 01:32:12,360podcast app for AI cooking tofind this podcast yo,153601:32:12,900 --> 01:32:17,490yo, and thank you to all of ourboosters and our our other153701:32:17,490 --> 01:32:20,220contributors, our monthlyespecially thank you all so much153801:32:20,220 --> 01:32:25,320for supporting podcasting 2.0.It's a slow grind, but the153901:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,340growth is really, if you when indoubt, zoom out. It's been154001:32:29,340 --> 01:32:34,230spectacular what we've done sofar. And from zero to a year and154101:32:34,230 --> 01:32:37,860a half in it had the ability todo this and have this feedback154201:32:37,860 --> 01:32:40,320loop. And podcasting isextremely exciting. Here's your154301:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,710cue to boost. You know you wantto154401:32:45,750 --> 01:32:48,630Thomas, you got time for onemore question or you got a bell?154501:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,030Yeah, I got done. I just want toask you about live I finally got154601:32:54,030 --> 01:32:57,660the live tags situated is done.It's baked? I'm not touching it154701:32:57,660 --> 01:33:04,260anymore. I'm done. So do Do youhave? Is there any way you think154801:33:04,260 --> 01:33:09,000you could do like a livestreaming in in a KY iOS phone?154901:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,380Or do you think it's just toolimited?155001:33:12,030 --> 01:33:16,110Live streaming is definitelypossible. I haven't looked into155101:33:16,140 --> 01:33:19,740what it what it looks like underthe hood? Is it HTTP Live155201:33:19,740 --> 01:33:21,480Streaming? HLS? Or is itsomething else?155301:33:22,080 --> 01:33:27,300Well, it'll say the spec callsfor highly, you know, it,155401:33:27,480 --> 01:33:31,590here's, here's the way the specreads, it's like live item looks155501:33:31,620 --> 01:33:36,930just like the regular item withjust a couple of added155601:33:36,930 --> 01:33:40,290properties. And that's a starttime and end time and a status155701:33:40,470 --> 01:33:45,900attribute this sit on the liveitem element itself. And then155801:33:45,900 --> 01:33:52,080everything else inside of thelive item. tag element, all the155901:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,480children of it are the sameidentical stuff that you would156001:33:54,480 --> 01:33:59,190find in a regular podcast itemtag. And so then, but the only156101:33:59,400 --> 01:34:03,150the wording around it is wereally want you to have like all156201:34:03,150 --> 01:34:06,150three of these tags andenclosure as give me an156301:34:06,150 --> 01:34:12,450alternate enclosure, a regularenclosure with and then a156401:34:12,450 --> 01:34:16,770fallback Content link URL thatsomebody can link out if if the156501:34:16,770 --> 01:34:21,000app just cannot support thestream at all. So the dad and156601:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,840then there's also wording inthere that suggests a you know,156701:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,080even though alternate enclosurecan handle lots and lots of156801:34:28,080 --> 01:34:32,550different various codecs andtransport protocols, you really156901:34:32,550 --> 01:34:36,450kind of want to start withsupporting the basics of just an157001:34:36,450 --> 01:34:41,370mp3 stream and an mp4 stream ifit's video to try to like157101:34:41,370 --> 01:34:44,190maximize compatibility acrossplatforms. So that's that's sort157201:34:44,190 --> 01:34:45,510of the rundown real quick.157301:34:47,430 --> 01:34:50,520Yeah, I would say I candefinitely take a look. I'll157401:34:50,730 --> 01:34:54,300poke around and find some folksthat are supporting and see if I157501:34:54,300 --> 01:34:58,110can test it out just on one ofmy devices, but I don't see if157601:34:58,110 --> 01:35:01,170it's, if it's MPEG streaming outwhy it wouldn't work? It would157701:35:01,170 --> 01:35:03,600be so odd to have live streamingon these devices.157801:35:03,630 --> 01:35:08,370That would be so cool, man. Canyou trigger an alert?157901:35:09,990 --> 01:35:12,870Oh, yeah, we can trigger a pushnotification. So if you have158001:35:12,870 --> 01:35:15,060like a subscription and thesubscription had a new live item158101:35:15,060 --> 01:35:17,490coming up something that waslike, hey, there's a you know,158201:35:17,490 --> 01:35:18,480something streaming right now.158301:35:18,660 --> 01:35:26,640Yeah, this hot new Bollywoodpodcaster. Hurry. Curry is live.158401:35:27,330 --> 01:35:30,030Yes, that's, that's how it'sgonna hook into one of the ways158501:35:30,030 --> 01:35:34,050that pod ping is gonna come intothis is that pod pod thing. The158601:35:34,050 --> 01:35:36,960next version of it that they'reabout to release is gonna have158701:35:37,260 --> 01:35:40,470another thing to note. Yeah,live notifications. So when a158801:35:40,470 --> 01:35:44,760podcast is live item, when itflips when it goes on air, so to158901:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,240speak, a special pod paying willgo out saying it's now159001:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,240broadcasting. So that's that'sthe way you would get useful to159101:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,360like, pass through that, thatnotification down to the to the159201:35:54,360 --> 01:35:54,870device.159301:35:56,010 --> 01:35:58,500That'd be perfect. Yeah, rightnow we batch notification just159401:35:58,500 --> 01:36:00,990as a cost saving measure. Sothey're not real time. But if159501:36:00,990 --> 01:36:03,690there was a way to tap intothat, that would be pretty cool.159601:36:04,169 --> 01:36:06,839Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'lldefinitely work on the will159701:36:06,839 --> 01:36:10,469probably will pilot it withthis, for sure. And then we159801:36:10,499 --> 01:36:13,619there's a couple of other feeds.And no, sir Spencer's working159901:36:13,619 --> 01:36:17,489on. Does there'll be plenty ofto test against with within the160001:36:17,489 --> 01:36:18,689next short period of time, Ithink.160101:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,800Yeah, just combine that with thereal time transcript, right.160201:36:22,800 --> 01:36:27,090We've got the support for was itthe SRT and the web VTT formats.160301:36:27,150 --> 01:36:29,880It's pretty cool. You could haveit, like live streaming and live160401:36:29,880 --> 01:36:30,570captions.160501:36:30,960 --> 01:36:31,830That would be awesome.160601:36:32,010 --> 01:36:34,830How do I how do I make livecaptions? Where do I get that160701:36:34,830 --> 01:36:36,540from? I don't know.160801:36:38,460 --> 01:36:40,170That's where you haven't builtquestion.160901:36:41,790 --> 01:36:44,880This is what I'm still on my todo list. Once again, another161001:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,180board meeting where this alwayshappens in every board on every161101:36:48,180 --> 01:36:51,180board I've ever been on everyboard meeting. There's always161201:36:51,210 --> 01:36:55,890one or two items that just neverget addressed. And Ryan Heiss,161301:36:55,890 --> 01:36:59,250his transcript service. I knowI'm ignoring him because I don't161401:36:59,250 --> 01:37:02,370understand what's going on. Ineed help understanding because161501:37:02,370 --> 01:37:05,340this, I know the guy hassomething I think the hits. I'm161601:37:05,340 --> 01:37:07,860telling you. This guy hassomething I can't figure it out.161701:37:07,860 --> 01:37:12,570So James Quinlan, talk to Ryanhighs, please. Well, Chris161801:37:12,780 --> 01:37:15,180Curtin is good at this stuff.He's good at the transcripts.161901:37:15,540 --> 01:37:19,320I had so much notes as so manynotes on here and we we spent162001:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,720the whole time talking aboutsolar panels and I know what162101:37:21,720 --> 01:37:25,890is wrong with those waterbatteries. I'm so I'm ashamed162201:37:25,890 --> 01:37:26,220now.162301:37:26,580 --> 01:37:30,330Alright, next week, we will wewill get into oil, we'll get162401:37:30,330 --> 01:37:32,550deep into tech promise.162501:37:32,940 --> 01:37:38,160Thomas Barrasso is the developerof pod LP is storming the the162601:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,610emerging markets I'm veryexcited for you very excited for162701:37:41,610 --> 01:37:45,450podcasting and, and really lovethat you're doing this man.162801:37:45,450 --> 01:37:47,130Appreciate you coming into theboard today.162901:37:48,540 --> 01:37:50,400Thank you, I appreciate youhaving me and all the work that163001:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,710you guys are doing. Superhelpful, like I mentioned,163101:37:52,710 --> 01:37:55,350especially for a platform likeus to be able to piggyback and163201:37:55,350 --> 01:37:58,200maybe get some tags that'll helpus out in the future.163301:37:59,790 --> 01:38:02,880Thanks if you ever need anythingat all, any help at all piping,163401:38:02,940 --> 01:38:07,500any of that jazz just just hitme up or metro fingertip. I163501:38:07,500 --> 01:38:08,250appreciate it. Thank163601:38:08,370 --> 01:38:14,400you says that to all the girls.that's it everybody. Join us163701:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,090again next week for anotherboard meeting of podcasting. 2.0163801:38:18,090 --> 01:38:18,630see you that.163901:38:35,190 --> 01:38:39,780You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast164001:38:39,780 --> 01:38:42,360index.com For more information