Episode 69: All Aboard!

100:00:00,510 --> 00:00:06,210podcasting 2.0 for January14 2020, to Episode 69 on the200:00:06,210 --> 00:00:13,230board you know what to do andwe're gonna talk about Hello,300:00:13,230 --> 00:00:17,700everybody. Welcome to a biggerboard meeting of podcasting.400:00:17,700 --> 00:00:21,4202.0. Since we missed one lastweek, apologies for that.500:00:21,780 --> 00:00:25,770Everything going on and podcastindex.org the podcast namespace600:00:25,770 --> 00:00:29,760and of course, the action overat podcast index dot social. I'm700:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,550Adam curry here in the heart ofthe Texas Hill Country and in800:00:32,550 --> 00:00:36,330Alabama, the man who decidesjust how we do it live my friend900:00:36,330 --> 00:00:39,270on the other end, ladies andgentlemen, Mr. James Jones1000:00:41,550 --> 00:00:44,640being off last week and listen,the show, like totally screwed1100:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,280me up. I had no idea what day itwas.1200:00:47,430 --> 00:00:53,370Well, to be honest, it was very,very hard for me to I mean, I1300:00:53,370 --> 00:00:56,010talked to you about I didn'tjust make any decision to cancel1400:00:56,010 --> 00:00:58,350the board meeting. I'm like, Igot to talk to Dave about this.1500:00:59,370 --> 00:01:04,200Yeah. And when a women executivedecision about that from the the1600:01:04,320 --> 00:01:06,450podcasting 2.0 broadcastcommittee,1700:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,340yes. Broadcast committee. Yes.The Executive Decision was made1800:01:11,340 --> 00:01:16,650in a smoky back room as thesethings usually do. And yeah, cuz1900:01:16,710 --> 00:01:21,330Joe had reached out to me a weekbefore he said, Hey, man, we got2000:01:21,330 --> 00:01:23,910we got to do a podcast togetherso much crazy world. We gotta2100:01:23,910 --> 00:01:26,790talk about stuff. I'm like,Yeah, anytime, man. And then he2200:01:26,790 --> 00:01:30,750pinged me on on Wednesday, hesays, Hey, Becky, come in2300:01:30,750 --> 00:01:34,470tomorrow said no, I do the showthe show live. And they said,2400:01:34,470 --> 00:01:37,890Okay, how about Friday? So Isaid, Well, that's podcasting,2500:01:37,890 --> 00:01:40,620too. When I got to talk to Dave,man, I said, I'll get back to2600:01:40,620 --> 00:01:42,060you tonight. And we talked.2700:01:42,239 --> 00:01:45,029And I said, tell Joe, he canwait. You2800:01:45,030 --> 00:01:48,000did and I had to and I had tobeg and say, Listen, man, I can2900:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,550make I can make it worthwhilefor us. I couldn't make it worth3000:01:50,550 --> 00:01:52,440our while. I really can3100:01:54,209 --> 00:01:56,819get you is it was a goodappearance.3200:01:57,209 --> 00:01:59,729Well, I'd like to tell you, I'dlike to share with everybody3300:01:59,729 --> 00:02:03,239what came out of it. In in somegeneral terms,3400:02:03,629 --> 00:02:07,739was scammed the open letter toSpotify panned about 2703500:02:07,739 --> 00:02:09,209scientists, I didn't see yourname. So3600:02:12,420 --> 00:02:15,840that's not what I meant.Something else something else3700:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,020came out of it, which I'm goingto discuss in general terms3800:02:19,020 --> 00:02:22,050because nothing is in stone, butI think it's important. Everyone3900:02:22,050 --> 00:02:24,690knows at least what's going on.You agree?4000:02:25,470 --> 00:02:26,310I agree. Okay.4100:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,580So apparently, after I wastalking Bitcoin with Joe, which4200:02:32,580 --> 00:02:35,850is always so fun on Twitter,yeah, you get all these people.4300:02:35,910 --> 00:02:39,810Hey, man, you know, was talkingabout you put each down, man.4400:02:41,550 --> 00:02:42,870You're boiling the sea.4500:02:43,980 --> 00:02:47,310Exactly. And what and mystandard answer is, Hey, man,4600:02:47,310 --> 00:02:50,640we're an open protocol where allthe eath developers, where are4700:02:50,640 --> 00:02:58,350they? So there you go.Apparently, Sunday night, there4800:02:58,350 --> 00:03:03,540was a 10 fold increase insignups to companies that4900:03:04,230 --> 00:03:07,410onboard people onto Bitcoin,where you can buy and sell5000:03:07,410 --> 00:03:12,210Bitcoin. And this was, from whatI understand it was noticeable5100:03:12,210 --> 00:03:14,970across the industry. And one ofthese big companies reached out5200:03:14,970 --> 00:03:16,680to me and said, Can we talk?5300:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,280And clearly CNN must havementioned Bitcoin? Yeah.5400:03:21,119 --> 00:03:24,119No, I think the industry alsocollectively went Oh, yeah,5500:03:24,119 --> 00:03:28,139it's, they all know if thathappens on a Sunday, which is5600:03:28,139 --> 00:03:31,109supposed to be one of theirslower days, then either someone5700:03:31,109 --> 00:03:34,739was talking about one of thecompanies or about Bitcoin in5800:03:34,739 --> 00:03:37,649general, some big show, and thenthey all agreed that had to be5900:03:37,649 --> 00:03:42,599Rogan. So one of them reachedout to me and had a very6000:03:42,599 --> 00:03:46,919interesting proposal. And theshort of it is, they would like6100:03:46,919 --> 00:03:52,319to onboard any podcasting 2.0value for value listeners, they6200:03:52,319 --> 00:03:56,189will take the listeners fee outand send it directly into the6300:03:56,189 --> 00:04:00,929wallets. So even an even beforeyour, if it's a new person,6400:04:00,929 --> 00:04:04,469their KYC is all taken care of.And they've done the checking on6500:04:04,469 --> 00:04:09,509who's who. But here's thekicker. They actually want to6600:04:09,509 --> 00:04:12,719and, you know, it came out rightaway. This is something they do6700:04:12,719 --> 00:04:16,109for new customers anyway, butthey would like to put 10,0006800:04:16,109 --> 00:04:20,459SATs or so into every single newwallet of every customer they6900:04:20,459 --> 00:04:26,969onboard. That's beautiful. It'sto me is like holy crap. Now7000:04:26,969 --> 00:04:31,019people are incentivized to talkabout it. Because if I got 10007100:04:31,019 --> 00:04:33,599people listening to my show, I'mgoing to try and send 10007200:04:33,599 --> 00:04:35,279people to send me $5.7300:04:36,180 --> 00:04:41,010That's the whole sign up. Likewhat he called reciprocity did7400:04:41,010 --> 00:04:44,820like you see him all doing it,where it's like strike and Cash7500:04:44,820 --> 00:04:48,990App, you sign up. Tell yourbuddy to come? Yep, sign up, and7600:04:48,990 --> 00:04:51,210then I'll give you you'll getfive bucks and he'll get five7700:04:51,210 --> 00:04:52,680bucks. Yeah, yeah. But they're7800:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,710talking about doing the deepintegration. So you could also7900:04:55,710 --> 00:05:00,840do it directly from the podcastapps through some API wizardry8000:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,480and I think we're already havinga meeting next week.8100:05:04,410 --> 00:05:07,560Yeah, last I saw it was Monday,I think, yeah, we're supposed to8200:05:07,650 --> 00:05:11,670have a talk with that. That's sonice, because that's what we've8300:05:11,670 --> 00:05:15,900been wanting to happen issomebody else, too. Because the8400:05:15,900 --> 00:05:20,640KYC stuff is just so hard. Youcan't you got to be a bank, or8500:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,660something to really Yeah.8600:05:21,660 --> 00:05:24,150And you have to do that. Yeah.Cuz you have to have the8700:05:24,150 --> 00:05:27,630information stored properly. Andyou have to have processes and8800:05:27,630 --> 00:05:31,170procedures and all this stuff.And I'm pretty sure that they'd8900:05:31,170 --> 00:05:33,570be more than willing. Becauseyou know, what's nice about this9000:05:33,570 --> 00:05:37,920is also if we can do it withpodcasters. When we get our, our9100:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,300wallets all running the podcastwallet, it's a great way for9200:05:42,300 --> 00:05:47,190podcasters to take their theirearnings in Bitcoin and shuttle9300:05:47,190 --> 00:05:51,090it right out into their bankaccount into Fiat. Beautiful9400:05:51,090 --> 00:05:52,320because it works both ways.9500:05:53,070 --> 00:05:56,640So perfect. Yeah, that thatreally is the missing piece that9600:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,370the onboard off board has beenthe missing pieces. Day one.9700:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,010It's the hardest part. It's thehardest part two, and it's a9800:06:02,010 --> 00:06:06,570reputable companies, a companythat people have heard of. And9900:06:06,570 --> 00:06:10,140what we'll see, I'm very I'mvery jacked about that.10000:06:10,590 --> 00:06:14,070It's great timing too, becauselightning just continues to10100:06:14,070 --> 00:06:19,710become more just industryimplementations are emerging10200:06:19,710 --> 00:06:23,850like Asha Kashia. Yeah, that'sfantastic. And it puts it just10300:06:23,850 --> 00:06:27,270puts it into the monster isbecoming there was always fear10400:06:27,270 --> 00:06:30,240that it would just become like,let me let me try to figure out10500:06:30,240 --> 00:06:35,820what I'm trying to say here. As,as you go through and try to10600:06:35,820 --> 00:06:39,720promote this, this thing thatcan solve this problem we're10700:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,960trying to solve yet sort ofplant your flag on something.10800:06:43,380 --> 00:06:45,540And we planted the flag onlightning, but then there's10900:06:45,540 --> 00:06:49,200always the fear that lightningis not going to pan out right in11000:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,010the industrial move to in adifferent direction. But now, I11100:06:53,010 --> 00:06:56,250mean, it doesn't take very manydominoes to fall before. It just11200:06:56,250 --> 00:06:59,100becomes like a snowball rollingdown the hill. And as you know,11300:06:59,100 --> 00:07:00,270like that's what's happening.11400:07:00,630 --> 00:07:03,510As you know, I Adam curry. Ipicked a hit.11500:07:04,050 --> 00:07:04,500You did.11600:07:07,170 --> 00:07:10,200That's, that's my one truetalent. I have skills. But11700:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,010that's my talent. I can pick theHiggs. That's right. Everybody11800:07:14,010 --> 00:07:16,950picking the hit. And since thedawn of podcasting.11900:07:17,820 --> 00:07:20,070Yeah, it's beautiful. It'sperfect timing.12000:07:20,340 --> 00:07:24,180It is in more ways than one, youknow, Gateway Pundit, which is a12100:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,140pretty big blog. news sitereally is not even a blog. They12200:07:28,140 --> 00:07:32,460got banned from PayPal. Lastweek. Yeah. I heard that that12300:07:32,460 --> 00:07:35,130kind of shook people up. But itis, yeah, that kind of shook12400:07:35,130 --> 00:07:39,840people up. And I was thinking, Ihad a nice chat with this kid in12500:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,930New York. And I say, kid 31 Iget this a kid. And he has a12600:07:46,020 --> 00:07:49,380little network of eight podcastsand the podcasters are all12700:07:49,380 --> 00:07:52,020rabbis. But they're but they're,you know, they're not. They're12800:07:52,020 --> 00:07:56,610not like, you know, spouting offsome Hebrew jargon. You know,12900:07:56,610 --> 00:07:59,160they're, they're, it's morelike, like a pastor kind of13000:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,940preacher, you know, real lifestories. And it's some crazy to13100:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,360show titles like dead Jews andstuff. It's. So it's very, it's13200:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,770supposedly very funny, a lot ofthe stuff they're doing. And he13300:08:13,770 --> 00:08:16,860called me up, Roy actuallyhooked me up with him. And he13400:08:16,860 --> 00:08:22,050said, I think it's soul shopped,I think is the is the soul13500:08:22,050 --> 00:08:27,180shopped with a T. And, and hesaid, I just talked to him. And13600:08:27,180 --> 00:08:29,760so we're talking about value forvalue. And I was like, and all13700:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,010of a sudden, it dawned on me howa small network because this,13800:08:35,070 --> 00:08:38,910this is not a guy trying to be apodcast network, join my13900:08:38,910 --> 00:08:42,930network, I'll get advertisingfor you all this now. He's, he's14000:08:42,930 --> 00:08:46,050a creative guys. He has a mediacompany with eight properties.14100:08:46,050 --> 00:08:48,750That's the way I view him. And Isaid, Well, if you do value for14200:08:48,750 --> 00:08:52,290value, here's the cool thingwith the splits, you can take a14300:08:52,290 --> 00:08:55,110network fee. I never reallythought about it that way. But14400:08:55,110 --> 00:08:58,560it makes so much sense. And soeverybody gets there. And you14500:08:58,560 --> 00:09:03,000can cut your individual dealswith the with your talent, and14600:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,790your and your creators. And thenyou just stick all that14700:09:05,790 --> 00:09:07,950information into your valueblock. And there's always a14800:09:07,950 --> 00:09:11,580network fee. Maybe the networktakes 40% or 30%. I don't know.14900:09:12,540 --> 00:09:15,330Because he has investors. And Isay, you know, the one thing15000:09:15,330 --> 00:09:19,950I've seen pan out before is whenyou show investors, you hold up15100:09:19,950 --> 00:09:25,320your phone, you show a rolling ascrolling by tally of SATs15200:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,700coming in for people listeningto your shows. Even though it's15300:09:29,880 --> 00:09:35,22050 SATs 100 SATs may be a boosthere there. It's very powerful,15400:09:35,550 --> 00:09:38,850because investment investors arealways looking for put a penny15500:09:38,850 --> 00:09:41,640and get $1 out now what we'reshowing them is put $1 and get a15600:09:41,640 --> 00:09:47,010penny out at the moment. But themechanism but they see the15700:09:47,010 --> 00:09:50,160mechanism working in this way.So you are actually making money15800:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,030you just need to scale and andthe thing and the great thing15900:09:54,030 --> 00:09:58,320about this is the scaling is notin the amount of the number the16000:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,500size of the audience is how youtalk to the audience and what16100:10:01,500 --> 00:10:05,040your ask is. And a reminder, ifyou treat value for value as16200:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,690tips, you're going to get tips.Okay? So if you say, hey, tip16300:10:09,690 --> 00:10:13,620us, you're going to get tips. Ifyou say this is valuable, is it16400:10:13,620 --> 00:10:17,700valuable to you send us whatvalue you think it is, you'll16500:10:17,700 --> 00:10:19,500see a very different result.16600:10:19,950 --> 00:10:22,680Can I talk about a psychologicalcomponent of this real quick?16700:10:22,710 --> 00:10:23,220It's all16800:10:23,220 --> 00:10:27,510psychology, please. And you arepsychology major? No, no, not16900:10:27,510 --> 00:10:30,300philosophy. Same thing. It's thesame general area. It starts17000:10:30,300 --> 00:10:31,380with a PS or something.17100:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,640I always wanted to be a psychohistory major that we know that17200:10:35,670 --> 00:10:37,620but that's science fiction.That's not real. That's not17300:10:37,620 --> 00:10:43,590real. But so the psychology ofthis is, and I was listening to17400:10:43,590 --> 00:10:49,320no agenda the other day. And Ihear you. Yes. I hear cutting17500:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,830through the noise gate. Everynow and then. Okay. And it17600:10:52,830 --> 00:10:56,820reminds me of another podcastthat I've listened to for years17700:10:56,880 --> 00:11:05,070security now. Yes, yes. Securitynow. During that show, Steve17800:11:05,070 --> 00:11:07,920Gibson, the host has it set upto where as it wired to where17900:11:08,430 --> 00:11:14,370anytime somebody buys a copy ofhis software. I'm paying. It has18000:11:14,370 --> 00:11:17,340a yabba dabba doo that goes offin the end, you can hear it in18100:11:17,340 --> 00:11:20,340the background every timesomebody but it becomes a little18200:11:20,340 --> 00:11:24,030bit of gamification where peopletry to try to signal it during18300:11:24,030 --> 00:11:26,700the live stream so Oh, yeah,hear themselves in the booth.18400:11:27,210 --> 00:11:33,840This is a fantastic idea.Everybody that does that does18500:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,010this everybody that does boostergrams if they live stream18600:11:38,010 --> 00:11:41,850especially but even if theydon't, should have the pew pew18700:11:41,850 --> 00:11:43,920audible. I have it on the board.18800:11:44,190 --> 00:11:47,580I have it on right now as wespeak for that very reason.18900:11:47,610 --> 00:11:48,750Absolutely.19000:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,660I was getting the beats Yeah, Iwas19100:11:51,660 --> 00:11:54,600getting all kinds of messagesfrom people about hearing it on19200:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,140no agenda, but also a currycurry in the keeper it was going19300:11:58,140 --> 00:12:01,920off like crazy. And and I haveit on now because you know that19400:12:02,100 --> 00:12:05,790Chad F is gonna you know, orsomewhere dreads someone's going19500:12:05,790 --> 00:12:08,610to try and boost the grandmas Ihaven't I haven't piped in just19600:12:08,610 --> 00:12:12,150in case. It's really cool. It'sthat's entirely is a great19700:12:12,150 --> 00:12:13,080psychology.19800:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,530Especially if you live stream.That's then then you're talking19900:12:16,530 --> 00:12:20,160about you know that that'sthat's the best the dopamine20000:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,510hit. It comes back. And speakingof.20100:12:25,500 --> 00:12:27,360Yes, speaking of the20200:12:28,350 --> 00:12:29,100live item,20300:12:29,220 --> 00:12:31,530now do you want to get the starDo you want to bring in our20400:12:31,530 --> 00:12:34,710guests so they can participatein this? Because this is a very20500:12:34,710 --> 00:12:41,160big topic. It bleeds into podYang it bleeds into creating20600:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,380standards. A whole whole bunchof things surrounding this.20700:12:46,589 --> 00:12:49,139Yeah, the guests have been outthere in the lobby, just drink20800:12:49,139 --> 00:12:51,239it still coffee for a while. I'mgonna bring them in. Yeah, we20900:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,480should. We'd like to welcome tothe board meeting once again.21000:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,560Back for more. Alberto patellaand Ben Richardson from Rs.21100:12:58,560 --> 00:13:06,900s.com. Gentlemen, Hey, guys, Inot only the co founders of one21200:13:06,900 --> 00:13:12,300of the leading hosting providersfor podcast necessities, all in21300:13:12,300 --> 00:13:16,620on podcasting. 2.0. But also,along with Buzzsprout are one of21400:13:16,620 --> 00:13:19,500our top supporters of the entireproject. So we're highly21500:13:19,500 --> 00:13:22,230appreciative of everythingyou've done to support21600:13:22,230 --> 00:13:25,470everything that's going on here.Happy to do it. Happy to do it.21700:13:26,070 --> 00:13:28,470Yeah, I wanted I was thinkingabout getting you guys back on.21800:13:28,470 --> 00:13:31,590I was talking to you, Benoffline about how you've been21900:13:31,590 --> 00:13:36,030doing some stuff with, you know,outside the US. And also we22000:13:36,030 --> 00:13:38,010haven't talked to you search,I've put in some tags and22100:13:38,010 --> 00:13:41,880search. Can you before we starttalking about lost stuff? I22200:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,780mean, can you kind of go overwhat you've done in the Spanish22300:13:45,780 --> 00:13:48,900speaking market, because I thinkI've been thinking a lot about22400:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,470this lately. And since or I waslistening to Pineland yesterday,22500:13:52,470 --> 00:13:56,940Sam Sethi talked about India.And the non you know, non22600:13:56,940 --> 00:14:00,990English speaking podcastingdoesn't get a lot of us press,22700:14:00,990 --> 00:14:05,190especially because the marketsis very big Marcus, can you kind22800:14:05,190 --> 00:14:06,390of go over what you've done?22900:14:06,900 --> 00:14:10,890Yeah, absolutely. Just to startoff, let me say, if we ever went23000:14:10,890 --> 00:14:14,130to India, we would be huge,because RSS is a political23100:14:14,130 --> 00:14:15,030party. They're kind of23200:14:17,820 --> 00:14:21,690why not do both do both run thecountry and run the podcasting23300:14:21,690 --> 00:14:22,290infrastructure.23400:14:23,310 --> 00:14:27,210When I used to tweet stuff onour Twitter handle our at RSS, I23500:14:27,210 --> 00:14:33,150would get like 2 million, 3million views of what it was. It23600:14:33,150 --> 00:14:36,720wasn't it was insane. And thenthey would write back so um, but23700:14:36,870 --> 00:14:40,590we are highly focused on LatinAmerica and especially Mexico.23800:14:40,890 --> 00:14:45,510We because Alberto and I bothspeak Spanish, we have had an23900:14:45,510 --> 00:14:49,440affinity towards our earlyadopting customers down there.24000:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,380And it turns out that they'rejust great, great people and24100:14:52,380 --> 00:14:57,450partners. So we've really triedto augment the efforts that24200:14:57,450 --> 00:15:02,130they're making to grow thepodcasting space down there. And24300:15:02,550 --> 00:15:06,690so we've we've beenintentionally positioned to have24400:15:06,690 --> 00:15:10,890international presences. But inparticular, within the Spanish24500:15:10,890 --> 00:15:15,180speaking markets in Mexico, withour customer support is, is all24600:15:15,180 --> 00:15:20,940bilingual. All of our, all ofour knowledge base is in three24700:15:20,940 --> 00:15:22,170languages. Ah,24800:15:22,230 --> 00:15:23,550and we have a booster gram.24900:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,870And we've been in fact, we justwent down to Mexico in October.25000:15:31,740 --> 00:15:35,580And we're working directly therewith the creators to develop25100:15:35,790 --> 00:15:40,110their presence within thatmarket where we've got an25200:15:40,110 --> 00:15:42,570attorney down there helping uskind of navigate the legal25300:15:42,570 --> 00:15:44,640system that oh my god,25400:15:44,970 --> 00:15:47,520hey, wait a minute, you know,you know, Ben, Ben, you are so25500:15:47,550 --> 00:15:51,660into the Spanish language, youeven have emulated the Mexican25600:15:51,660 --> 00:15:59,070radio microphone sound, it'sreally uncanny how good let me25700:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,690know I'm just messing with youknow, messing with this is25800:16:03,690 --> 00:16:06,750really exciting. That's, that'shuge. Who else is in the market25900:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,220who's who's competing with this,that'd26000:16:08,220 --> 00:16:11,370be Isaac's right. And they are,they might be your competitor.26100:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,810So they're based there.26200:16:12,839 --> 00:16:16,289They're out of Spain. And theydo have a tremendously large26300:16:16,289 --> 00:16:21,599catalogue of Spanish languagepodcasts. But I don't see a26400:16:21,599 --> 00:16:24,539whole lot of movement from themin Latin America. And I know,26500:16:24,539 --> 00:16:27,449they just took a bunch of VCfunding, but we haven't seen it26600:16:27,449 --> 00:16:33,269deployed in in any way. A castis down there. They've got an26700:16:33,269 --> 00:16:37,859eight person office, but wehaven't really seen new traction26800:16:37,859 --> 00:16:42,389with them. And then Spotify isdown there. And they haven't,26900:16:42,989 --> 00:16:45,389that I've seen done too mucheither. And then there's another27000:16:45,389 --> 00:16:49,169one that we've worked with thatI can't say the name that has27100:16:49,169 --> 00:16:52,799tried to get down there and theyjust can't they can't make it27200:16:52,799 --> 00:16:57,689work their internationalizationapproaches. Is COVID really kind27300:16:57,689 --> 00:16:58,229of messed them up.27400:16:58,590 --> 00:17:02,790Is the Spanish speaking marketare a lot the largest part of27500:17:02,790 --> 00:17:04,050your customer base at thispoint?27600:17:04,050 --> 00:17:08,850Because no, no, it's it's, it'svery useful just starting, you27700:17:08,850 --> 00:17:11,010know, for downloads, it's prettylarge, because we have some of27800:17:11,010 --> 00:17:15,210the bigger podcasters in Mexicoin particular. And we're looking27900:17:15,210 --> 00:17:19,800to expand that these guys areall very well connected to each28000:17:19,800 --> 00:17:26,220other. And so we're, we're,we're actively mining those28100:17:26,220 --> 00:17:29,310relationships, we're buildingour own. We're standing up a28200:17:29,310 --> 00:17:32,400team down there. I mean, we'vegot a lot going on, on down28300:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,050there. And we loved we our visitto Mexico was eye opening in28400:17:37,050 --> 00:17:41,130many respects. We invested in apodcasting studio down there. I28500:17:41,130 --> 00:17:42,720mean, we've got just a lot goingon.28600:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,920Yesterday at high rollers, man,big ballers28700:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,540know like to get on thispillowtop Yes, exactly. Yes, it28800:17:51,540 --> 00:17:56,640was on my mind. Thank you,blueberry for your 2112 your28900:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,950rush boost. And nice.29000:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,500Yes. Go ahead.29100:18:02,460 --> 00:18:06,300Yeah, I was saying that. It'strue that we do have a unique29200:18:06,300 --> 00:18:10,170value proposition there comparedto competitors. And the29300:18:10,170 --> 00:18:14,700proposition is simple. Ben andI, so the founders, they we go29400:18:14,700 --> 00:18:19,110there on the field, and we meetcreators. And it was a29500:18:19,110 --> 00:18:23,370highlight, I would say of lastyear for us to after years29600:18:23,370 --> 00:18:27,360building a product meeting thepeople that use it. We were on29700:18:27,360 --> 00:18:33,120our rooftop terrace in theneighborhood, which is29800:18:33,150 --> 00:18:38,040comparable to Soho, right ofMexico City, meeting creators,29900:18:38,370 --> 00:18:42,060we podcaster pitching literallytheir podcast, there was this30000:18:42,060 --> 00:18:47,730person that is the best expertin Mexico about Dracula, to30100:18:47,730 --> 00:18:51,420translate. And he met theirrelatives. He was pitching the30200:18:51,420 --> 00:18:54,570podcast because now we have apodcast studio so we can produce30300:18:54,570 --> 00:18:58,290forecasts, and we can promotethem. And it was super exciting,30400:18:58,290 --> 00:19:00,930especially from summer lag likeme over the past two years as30500:19:00,930 --> 00:19:04,920building tech companies. Right?Do we, you know, they're30600:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,700estimated a lot to be lost. Andwe think that, that we're very30700:19:08,700 --> 00:19:10,290excited for what has yet tocome.30800:19:10,890 --> 00:19:14,340Do you think that's what it waswas mostly like how you're able30900:19:14,340 --> 00:19:17,760to get better traction there,maybe versus others that you're31000:19:18,030 --> 00:19:21,870focusing on the podcaster.First, instead of the tech side31100:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,390of things or the business sideof things, you're just going31200:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,210sort of straight to the talentif it were?31300:19:27,660 --> 00:19:32,070Well, I mean, I can speak towhat how this strategy actually31400:19:32,070 --> 00:19:36,570developed there is we because Igrew up on the border with31500:19:36,570 --> 00:19:39,720Mexico. So I mean, I was highlytuned in to who was joining our31600:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,480platform early on. He saw family31700:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,780in Mexico too. Yes. And part ofmy great grandfather, yeah.31800:19:47,610 --> 00:19:52,050Jack, Jack Ben here, justbecause Ben, when we speak in31900:19:52,050 --> 00:19:54,540English, he speaks Italian hespeaks Spanish, but when he32000:19:54,540 --> 00:19:58,920speaks Spanish, you know maybein a meeting with a video call32100:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,430it you know, it's Well, but whenI came to Mexico the first32200:20:02,430 --> 00:20:05,910night, we were having dinner,and he spoke Mexican with a32300:20:05,910 --> 00:20:09,420Mexican accent. I said, how, howcome and he just switched the,32400:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,850you know, the the brain chip inthe brain hurt him like it was32500:20:14,850 --> 00:20:15,690like Mexican32600:20:17,010 --> 00:20:17,970Unbeliev. Anyway, sorry,32700:20:18,090 --> 00:20:20,640sorry, man, it was it wasbecause I spent two hours on a32800:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,460plane hearing only Spanish.That's what it takes to kind of32900:20:23,550 --> 00:20:27,960gear me up. But so how thestrategy developed there, oh, by33000:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,840the way, my great grandfatherwas in front of a firing squad33100:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,420in Mexico at one point in time,and it was saved at the last33200:20:33,420 --> 00:20:33,720second.33300:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,200Wow, that's bragging rights.33400:20:38,820 --> 00:20:42,270But in Mexico, so I was highlytuned in to what was joining33500:20:42,270 --> 00:20:45,780down there that I was watchingthe downloads, and we sought to33600:20:45,780 --> 00:20:49,290grow that market. So we did aninitial partnership with that33700:20:49,290 --> 00:20:54,780podcast. And we did not see anyreturn on our time investment on33800:20:54,780 --> 00:20:58,200our spot investment on our onanything. And so we thought,33900:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,710okay, Mexico's not going to be atraditional sort of market for34000:21:01,710 --> 00:21:05,490us. But we love Mexico, we wantto be in Mexico. So let's34100:21:05,490 --> 00:21:10,380explore other ways to, to growdown there. And the content side34200:21:10,380 --> 00:21:13,440was where we really felt like,Okay, this is the right strategy34300:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,250for us, our company, and thepeople that we are establishing34400:21:17,250 --> 00:21:20,310relationships with so nine howit went there?34500:21:20,790 --> 00:21:24,780Nice. Okay, I wonder how valuefor value would work in Mexico?34600:21:25,380 --> 00:21:26,730Yeah. Is there a Bitcoin34700:21:27,689 --> 00:21:29,669or Bitcoin culture there?34800:21:30,179 --> 00:21:34,469So we have talked about itfairly frequently with some of34900:21:34,469 --> 00:21:39,209our more kind of bleeding edgesort of people, you know, the35000:21:39,209 --> 00:21:43,619younger generation especially,and we haven't gotten a lot of35100:21:44,249 --> 00:21:46,799positive feedback. We haven'tgotten any negative feedback.35200:21:46,799 --> 00:21:50,939It's just a matter of educating,educating the user down there35300:21:50,939 --> 00:21:55,049but you know, it's it's there'sthere are different socio35400:21:55,049 --> 00:21:57,689economic realities that wouldhelp you're using35500:21:57,689 --> 00:22:00,449cryptocurrency, just like we seein Africa, for instance. Yeah,35600:22:00,479 --> 00:22:03,839but remittance payments. Yeah,remittance payments and things35700:22:03,839 --> 00:22:05,309like that. I mean, it how about35800:22:05,310 --> 00:22:08,610this watch on would they wouldthey be interested in in35900:22:08,610 --> 00:22:12,210offering to their users 10,000Satoshis. To send to them?36000:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,080You know, I'll be honest, I wastelling how Bear thought either36100:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,570this week or last week, I said,you know, there's got to be some36200:22:18,570 --> 00:22:22,500cryptocurrency out there that'swanting to seed some sort of36300:22:22,740 --> 00:22:28,260marketplace or innovators, so asto increase adoption. And then I36400:22:28,260 --> 00:22:31,440know that there's like guys inthe eath market that throw away36500:22:31,470 --> 00:22:34,260ether to try to make them morevaluable or rippled. Has this36600:22:34,260 --> 00:22:39,660like 800 million. Rip. Yeah. Andso I thought, man, it would be36700:22:39,660 --> 00:22:42,150awesome if one of those guyswould come in and see the36800:22:42,150 --> 00:22:45,720industry to kind of kickstartthings. And it sounds like36900:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,330that's exactly what you guys aretalking about. Yeah, I think37000:22:48,330 --> 00:22:49,560that's super exciting. Yeah.37100:22:49,710 --> 00:22:52,440Okay. Yay, go team.37200:22:54,330 --> 00:22:56,940So we talk about educationprocess, you know, yeah,37300:22:56,970 --> 00:22:59,400well, that's what you that's abig part of what hosting37400:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,050companies traditionally havedone. And, and I think, the more37500:23:04,050 --> 00:23:07,740I look at where we're at now,where we're at a year and a half37600:23:07,740 --> 00:23:12,300into a 2.0, you can see thatthere's still hosting companies37700:23:12,450 --> 00:23:16,560of significant size, who havenot modernized their own37800:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,660thinking internally, inpreparing for anything, really,37900:23:21,690 --> 00:23:26,550for any type of new innovationin in our future. And I think38000:23:26,550 --> 00:23:29,880that just kind of letting itpass them by is odd to see.38100:23:30,210 --> 00:23:33,990Yeah, you know, I countourselves lucky that we came in38200:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,680at the right time. You know,there's that Innovators Dilemma,38300:23:38,460 --> 00:23:43,230you know, the Clayton Christianthing, and we're luckily not the38400:23:43,230 --> 00:23:46,350incumbents in this regard. Andthe tech stack that I'll bet38500:23:46,350 --> 00:23:50,100those building within ourcompany is, I mean, just cutting38600:23:50,100 --> 00:23:53,580edge world class, our tech,technological debt, our tech38700:23:53,580 --> 00:23:58,290debt is super low. Because we'vekind of led from that from the38800:23:58,290 --> 00:24:01,470beginning. But whereas theseincumbents, these old, or38900:24:01,470 --> 00:24:05,520heritage players, I think Jamescalled them these heritage39000:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,570players just are, you know, ittakes a lot of effort to not39100:24:09,570 --> 00:24:14,040accumulate that tech debt. Andso we're just starting at a39200:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,820better place. But yeah, it's,uh, I count ourselves lucky.39300:24:19,050 --> 00:24:25,500So, to bring it back to to apodcasting 2.0. Look, what do39400:24:25,500 --> 00:24:29,940you what do you see as any ofthe namespace elements or any of39500:24:29,940 --> 00:24:34,200the new features that are thereany of those that seem to be39600:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,590taking some traction in Mexicoor in the39700:24:37,590 --> 00:24:40,770stand anywhere, anywhere? Yeah.Yeah.39800:24:41,430 --> 00:24:44,040Maybe you can. Maybe you seen inyour metrics, anything?39900:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,170Yeah. So chapters areincreasing, increasing the40000:24:49,170 --> 00:24:52,500adopted? Still, it's not it's avery small percentage. I can40100:24:52,500 --> 00:24:56,550give you a number. It's just 1%of our episodes that have some40200:24:56,550 --> 00:25:00,690kind of chapters. Some of themseem to be test seven then. And40300:25:00,690 --> 00:25:04,920I guess that the whole problemthere is that we really need40400:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,940more apps, maybe one of themajor player supporting them40500:25:08,970 --> 00:25:11,880that that's really worked withthe local chapters, but chapter40600:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,730is definitely one of the mostinteresting. And then Ben and I40700:25:14,730 --> 00:25:19,860have great expectations for thelocation tag. It's very40800:25:19,860 --> 00:25:22,530exciting, okay. And maybe thenyou want to build on that?40900:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,240Well, I just, I just see, youknow, emerging markets, they41000:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,880have different profiles on themedia side as well. In Mexico,41100:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,450for instance, has a high amountof radio involvement much higher41200:25:36,450 --> 00:25:39,420than the US. But that's going toshift it everything's going to41300:25:39,420 --> 00:25:44,160go as the US market is gone. Andgetting a location tag into the41400:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,030podcast that that are startingto develop down there is going41500:25:48,030 --> 00:25:52,500to allow people to have adifferent expectation of their41600:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,060of their podcasting platform. Soif you're in northern Mexico,41700:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,610northern Mexico is differentthan southern Mexico, and41800:25:59,610 --> 00:26:02,550Eastern is different thanWestern Central is different41900:26:02,550 --> 00:26:08,130than everywhere. So localising,we see a lot of promise in going42000:26:08,130 --> 00:26:11,490to the traditional mediaoutlets, and saying, Come on42100:26:11,490 --> 00:26:16,200over bring these sorts ofcontent that bring this type of42200:26:16,200 --> 00:26:22,080content into a podcasting typemedia, and let's let's target or42300:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,810let's help your listeners findyou. Whereas currently there42400:26:27,810 --> 00:26:30,660it's just kind of like throw itall out there and hope that you42500:26:30,660 --> 00:26:33,330know, your people find you thisis gonna we're gonna help people42600:26:33,330 --> 00:26:36,660find the right content thatthey're looking for and and42700:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,000have a question in your in youreducation of podcasters. Do you42800:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,230talk about how do you talk abouthow the podcaster can use their42900:26:46,230 --> 00:26:49,950influence over the audience tohelp adopt new things and try43000:26:49,950 --> 00:26:53,460new things? And do you? Do youkind of press that that this is43100:26:53,460 --> 00:26:57,000this is how new feeds like, evenjust with chapters?43200:26:57,210 --> 00:27:01,680Yeah, I mean, transcriptattractors is a good example.43300:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,480And I'll bet if I can talk totranscripts in a second, I think43400:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,230but chapters we have beenapproaching Adam, from a43500:27:10,230 --> 00:27:13,620perspective of you guys want tostart doing this now. Because43600:27:13,620 --> 00:27:17,790the minute it's unlocked on a,on a major podcast app, you're43700:27:17,790 --> 00:27:21,000going to be at the very front.And so we've been kind of spring43800:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,560loading, spring loading on theirside, the expectation that they43900:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,260really need to support now, inorder to take advantage of the44000:27:28,260 --> 00:27:31,080medium that's eventually goingto come if date, if one of these44100:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,390big guys doesn't do it, we'regonna go out and we're gonna buy44200:27:33,420 --> 00:27:36,960a podcast app, and we're gonnamake it happen. But it's just a44300:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,230fun44400:27:37,230 --> 00:27:39,990way. You just say that again?Yeah, man.44500:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,040Wait, where? Listen, there'sonly one way to really put44600:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,780pressure on the market and it'sfrom pushing, you can't pull. So44700:27:48,780 --> 00:27:51,900the way you push the markettowards a new standard is either44800:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,410through FOMO, or loss of marketshare. So we're gonna, we're44900:27:55,410 --> 00:27:57,720gonna figure that out, we'regonna get it. So45000:27:57,810 --> 00:27:59,820I like that. Mr. Ben.45100:28:01,110 --> 00:28:03,990Didn't when he said that didn'tsurprise me at all just knowing45200:28:03,990 --> 00:28:04,710you. The45300:28:05,100 --> 00:28:09,420reason, of course, is how wethink in Texas. Hey, what does45400:28:09,420 --> 00:28:11,310that happen? Yours costs on.45500:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,860T. Boone Pickens,45600:28:14,940 --> 00:28:18,510you guys, you guys mightremember that Alberta is like,45700:28:18,570 --> 00:28:24,690he's a world class app CTO, likehe has built several very like45800:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,170high functioning high dollarapps. And we haven't even tapped45900:28:28,170 --> 00:28:34,230into his full like golf bag of,of skill sets yet in our46000:28:34,230 --> 00:28:37,560company. And so we're gonnaunlock everything it's just a46100:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,290matter of patiently and Alberthas to pull the reins on me a46200:28:40,290 --> 00:28:41,190little bit on this stuff.46300:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,130There's your FOMO right thereyou guys got this you sitting on46400:28:44,130 --> 00:28:46,950bombs man, every other everyother competitor should be46500:28:46,950 --> 00:28:47,910worried now.46600:28:48,450 --> 00:28:52,320We're gonna we're gonna move toMexico and taking care of the46700:28:52,320 --> 00:28:52,950apps.46800:28:53,250 --> 00:28:54,450Yeah, no,46900:28:55,410 --> 00:28:59,550I'm good. With that. Sass fromMexico is the same SATs it's all47000:28:59,550 --> 00:29:00,690good to47100:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,700go you want to talk abouttranscripts?47200:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,530multiling. Just taken from fromthe question also. They have47300:29:07,530 --> 00:29:13,140education. So it's, it's it'sit's a mix between the adoption47400:29:13,170 --> 00:29:16,890of chapters transcript and andpodcast index. Lupino tags,47500:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,230obviously, is a mix is directlycorrelated to the major apps or47600:29:22,260 --> 00:29:26,700apps prominent podcast apps thatsupport them. For example, a pod47700:29:26,700 --> 00:29:32,850verse, we met Mitch, last yearin Nashville, and pod eight,47800:29:33,210 --> 00:29:37,170podcasting 2.0 For example, Ilistened both cussing to blow on47900:29:37,170 --> 00:29:41,190pod verse because I love chapterreally loved them. And I you48000:29:41,190 --> 00:29:43,890know, so it's very, it's veryimportant on the one hand, and48100:29:43,890 --> 00:29:47,730on the other hand, as you said,Adam is education. Now there is48200:29:47,730 --> 00:29:52,530a point regarding our user base,which is that in the first48300:29:52,530 --> 00:29:56,610couple of years of our company,due to the features we had at48400:29:56,610 --> 00:30:00,210the time, you know, we built itfrom scratch. So we we We're48500:30:00,210 --> 00:30:04,140taking mostly the long tail ofpodcasters. So people actually48600:30:04,140 --> 00:30:08,100started from scratch. But moreand more features more and more48700:30:08,130 --> 00:30:11,010with time passing, we added moreand more features now, right? So48800:30:11,070 --> 00:30:15,450now we are in a position wherewe can we are creating content48900:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,620in our blog, even in our userinterface, right? We we put a49000:30:19,650 --> 00:30:23,400hyperlink to podcasting index tothe apps that support some of49100:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,510the tags. So that's the wholepoint like education goes in49200:30:27,510 --> 00:30:31,650parallel with the number offeatures and the the target for49300:30:31,650 --> 00:30:35,640which you can either yourprojects or your product. So so49400:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,540we are in this stage right nowwhere we are starting to educate49500:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,700on the podcasting. TurboTax.49600:30:42,330 --> 00:30:46,380Wow, okay. You just blew meaway. I have nothing to say.49700:30:46,470 --> 00:30:50,730You're doing everything exactlythe way I would do it. That's,49800:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800that's impressive, man. Very,very cool.49900:30:53,760 --> 00:31:00,300I wish that we had I wish we hada radio like, like this, like50000:31:00,300 --> 00:31:03,180James, who knows the currentradio landscape, maybe in a50100:31:03,180 --> 00:31:08,280world, like a global basis?Because I wonder how much in50200:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,830simple in a place like Mexico, Iwonder how much radio50300:31:10,830 --> 00:31:13,380consumption there is versuspodcast. consols got50400:31:13,380 --> 00:31:17,910to be off the hook. It's like,it was like 99.9% radio?50500:31:18,389 --> 00:31:22,619Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that'swhat so our entry to these large50600:31:22,619 --> 00:31:26,429pot, our radio conglomeratesthat are going very well for us50700:31:26,489 --> 00:31:32,879is these, these are still kindof, let's see generational type50800:31:33,329 --> 00:31:36,749companies, where they're notnecessarily looking down the50900:31:36,749 --> 00:31:40,499road more than two or threeyears. And so we're coming in,51000:31:40,499 --> 00:31:43,709we're saying, Guys, this isn'timportant to you now. But it51100:31:43,709 --> 00:31:46,979will be in three or four yearswhen this is the hottest thing51200:31:46,979 --> 00:31:50,969since radio. So let's get youinvolved now. And let's let's51300:31:50,969 --> 00:31:52,199start working together now. And51400:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,380I was I was thinking about thisin the context of the live tag51500:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,140when I was hearing it, you know,I was reading some discussion51600:31:58,140 --> 00:32:01,110about it. And I thought, Wow,this actually kind of, you know,51700:32:01,170 --> 00:32:03,810we there's two companies, Iguess, now have been purchased51800:32:04,530 --> 00:32:09,720by one by Spotify, one by a bigradio, holding company, they51900:32:10,620 --> 00:32:14,700mainly for how they handle theRSS feeds for radio shows within52000:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,320feeds. And I was thinking that,you know, the LIVE TAG is a real52100:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,780differentiator for radio stationfeeds. Where you can alert52200:32:24,780 --> 00:32:28,590someone is okay, this show islive, or here's the quote52300:32:28,590 --> 00:32:30,360unquote, podcast the replay.52400:32:31,620 --> 00:32:35,550I don't know what do y'allthink? So since we've been52500:32:35,550 --> 00:32:42,840building the LIVE TAG, for thelast few months, the use case in52600:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,970my mind has been almost exactlythis. I mean, we I think we get52700:32:47,970 --> 00:32:50,880into the trap of thinking aboutokay, we're going to get with52800:32:51,030 --> 00:32:54,750with a LIVE TAG, we're going toget YouTubers who are going to52900:32:54,750 --> 00:32:57,060start, you know, live broadcastor whatever. But53000:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,190if I may, if I may, I'm sorry tointerrupt the genesis of the53100:33:02,190 --> 00:33:05,130live tag and I this is what Iwas trying to figure out. How53200:33:05,130 --> 00:33:08,160did we get from where we were,all of a sudden to this big53300:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,010discussion about what it'ssupposed to be? And then when53400:33:11,010 --> 00:33:14,430someone is out there saying, youknow, we're it looks like we're53500:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,310it was Mitch, actually, we'retelling podcasters how they53600:33:17,310 --> 00:33:19,620should do it. I'm like, Okay,we've clearly gone off the53700:33:19,620 --> 00:33:24,420rails, in my mind that genesisof the live tag was in53800:33:24,420 --> 00:33:29,430combination with booster grams,similar to a super chat on53900:33:29,430 --> 00:33:33,570YouTube. That's how I recall itcoming to life. Was there54000:33:33,570 --> 00:33:34,710something before that?54100:33:35,699 --> 00:33:40,259Well, the LIVE TAG sort ofexisted before that, before that54200:33:40,259 --> 00:33:47,159discussion. And it really, itreally goes back to to Alice54300:33:47,159 --> 00:33:53,069gates and in a tube. Right. Hewanted to he wanted to enable54400:33:53,069 --> 00:33:55,949that feature on no agenda two,but do it in an open standards54500:33:55,949 --> 00:33:59,249way. Right. Live Streaming?Yeah, live streaming, because54600:33:59,249 --> 00:34:03,569there's no equivalent to it.There's no equivalent to54700:34:03,569 --> 00:34:06,929something like that. That doesit on the distributed54800:34:06,959 --> 00:34:08,789distribution side. So can I54900:34:08,790 --> 00:34:11,670just cut straight to myconclusion, then I'll shut up55000:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,910for the rest of the show. Oh,yeah. Yeah. Because I just want55100:34:14,910 --> 00:34:19,680to make sure we realize thatwe're thinking upside down. This55200:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,640is it's not like, it's likelike, you know, the result of55300:34:23,670 --> 00:34:27,270all discussion I'm seeing is nowyour podcast that becomes a55400:34:27,270 --> 00:34:30,000notification for your YouTubeapp or something like that.55500:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,930You're upside down people whoare streaming to Facebook and55600:34:33,930 --> 00:34:38,760YouTube or have the option ofalso firing up an additional55700:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,740stream to na tube. That's howthey do it. I'm very I talked to55800:34:43,740 --> 00:34:46,860moe about this all the time.He's very big into the streaming55900:34:46,860 --> 00:34:51,600stuff. And it's multiple streamsthey do it either from OBS or56000:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,280they do it from stream yard. Ithink it is. And this is so56100:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,300instead of trying to give peopleanother place where they can be56200:35:00,300 --> 00:35:03,840notified about something they'redoing on YouTube. Give them the56300:35:03,870 --> 00:35:08,820option, an additional place tostream to. That's how it should56400:35:08,820 --> 00:35:11,010be viewed in my mind. Does thatmake sense?56500:35:11,790 --> 00:35:14,760Yeah, no, it makes. Yeah, that'sWell, that's the way I've been.56600:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,810Yes. All right. But then whenSpotify, this is why I brought56700:35:18,810 --> 00:35:25,290up sort of to ask Ben andAlberto's about the radio part56800:35:25,530 --> 00:35:29,910was that, yes, that that is anoption for existing sort of56900:35:29,910 --> 00:35:35,010digital streamers. But then youalso have this Spotify buying57000:35:35,010 --> 00:35:39,630Bushka in this entrance into forlike the podcasting platforms57100:35:39,630 --> 00:35:45,810are trying to clearly get a footin the door of radio. And so57200:35:46,380 --> 00:35:51,960it's not a big leap to thinkthat an app like pod verse can57300:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,350become a live streaming. As forfor these radio stations as57400:35:58,350 --> 00:36:03,210well, yes. Like I can, I canenvision like a sort of a radio57500:36:03,210 --> 00:36:08,070station out of Mexico City, justhaving a podcast feed, and it57600:36:08,070 --> 00:36:10,860may have their old shows in it.But at the top of the feed,57700:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,850there's their current livestream going. And for that, I57800:36:14,850 --> 00:36:15,180mean,57900:36:15,660 --> 00:36:18,840maybe you get alerted when themorning show starts or something58000:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,370like that. Yeah. Or special.58100:36:22,050 --> 00:36:24,600Yeah, what do you guys thinkabout that? I think that's yes,58200:36:24,629 --> 00:36:29,279let me jump in here. We, we dohave some experience here. And58300:36:29,279 --> 00:36:31,769then I'll I'll turn it over toAlberto because I think he's58400:36:31,769 --> 00:36:36,149probably more versed in this,but we got approached by an58500:36:36,149 --> 00:36:40,859online radio company down thereand looked at it, and ultimately58600:36:40,859 --> 00:36:47,309decided not to invest or not tokind of further discussions. The58700:36:47,309 --> 00:36:51,149reason we did that is, there wasnot a lot of traction that they58800:36:51,149 --> 00:36:54,839were able to accomplish, it wasvery niche and not growing. So58900:36:54,839 --> 00:36:59,909from a business case, thatparticular that particular use59000:36:59,909 --> 00:37:03,599was not necessarily where Iwould envision a live a live59100:37:03,599 --> 00:37:09,449streaming tag going on the radioside. Just speaking from my59200:37:09,449 --> 00:37:13,889side, and I hope I don't really,you know, get you guys angry at59300:37:13,889 --> 00:37:18,719me. But one of the benefits topodcasting for I would say 80%59400:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,849of the people that usepodcasting is that it's59500:37:21,089 --> 00:37:25,379asynchronous. And the minute youintroduce synchronicity to59600:37:26,219 --> 00:37:31,139podcasting, you almost out ofnecessity, eliminate a lot of59700:37:31,139 --> 00:37:34,049your listeners, now, theinteraction that you're able to59800:37:34,049 --> 00:37:38,189get out of Live, live streaming,would probably supersede that.59900:37:38,189 --> 00:37:41,099And then you can create arecording, etc, etc, and maybe60000:37:41,099 --> 00:37:43,829get, you know, to some othermodel that makes sense for the60100:37:43,829 --> 00:37:47,789listener. But I think it's goingto be more of a very specific60200:37:47,789 --> 00:37:51,209use case, rather than the Washkomodel, which is take this60300:37:51,209 --> 00:37:56,849content, which is delivered inreal time, and then reconfigure60400:37:56,849 --> 00:38:00,059it, you know, massage it alittle bit so that it's more60500:38:00,059 --> 00:38:04,379palatable to somebody listeningasynchronously. And I think60600:38:04,379 --> 00:38:09,809that's the larger market. So forMexico, in particular, a live60700:38:09,809 --> 00:38:16,409streaming, probably not going tobe a function, that's going to60800:38:16,409 --> 00:38:20,519get you a lot of users orusability, as opposed to60900:38:20,609 --> 00:38:24,119listening to the morning show atnight, which is where I think a61000:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,399lot of a lot of that directionis going61100:38:26,579 --> 00:38:29,519there's, there's a thirdcategory, which I belong to,61200:38:29,519 --> 00:38:35,549which I've been doing for maybe11 or 12 years. And that's where61300:38:35,549 --> 00:38:41,909we do the show on a live stream,and have a feedback mechanism,61400:38:41,909 --> 00:38:46,049in this case, a chat, but I'mequally as happy with booster61500:38:46,049 --> 00:38:52,049Graham's where that interactionhas become a part of the show.61600:38:52,379 --> 00:38:55,769And what we're seeing is,there's just a segment of the61700:38:55,769 --> 00:38:59,309audience that shows up is justthere. I mean, this has been61800:38:59,309 --> 00:39:04,139done with twit has done thisfrom day one. This is a very, a61900:39:04,139 --> 00:39:07,169very common category, which Ithink is the one that to me,62000:39:07,169 --> 00:39:09,869personally, is the mostinteresting, and does make62100:39:09,869 --> 00:39:12,629sense. Because even the peoplewho listen to the live stream,62200:39:12,809 --> 00:39:17,789they often listen to the podcastagain. Now, that's just from a62300:39:17,879 --> 00:39:21,929separate category of podcastersperspective. And we haven't and62400:39:21,929 --> 00:39:25,499we've grown a pretty bigaudience doing that from the62500:39:25,499 --> 00:39:31,139radio broadcaster side. If Ithink that, again, I just looked62600:39:31,139 --> 00:39:35,429at it upside down a uniqueopportunity to take someone from62700:39:35,429 --> 00:39:38,609hey, here's the the morningshow, and you can listen to it62800:39:38,609 --> 00:39:41,639whenever you want to, you know,if you just want to listen to62900:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,989the station, right now, at thismoment, use the same app.63000:39:45,989 --> 00:39:48,509Here's, you know, click justclick here and you're good to63100:39:48,509 --> 00:39:52,919go. Because eventually, allradio has to get rid of their63200:39:52,919 --> 00:39:57,359infrastructure. So this is atransition to bringing radio63300:39:57,389 --> 00:40:02,849into into app. No, it's notExactly podcasting. And then I63400:40:02,849 --> 00:40:08,219think ultimately, the expense ofdoing radio, you know, on a63500:40:08,729 --> 00:40:13,169linear 24 hour timescale is toooverbearing, and they will all63600:40:13,169 --> 00:40:16,079become podcasts. So it to me,it's a transition or63700:40:16,109 --> 00:40:21,029transitionary thing into liveshows that benefit from having a63800:40:21,029 --> 00:40:24,179quote unquote studio audiencewho's just kind of always there,63900:40:24,179 --> 00:40:28,019it's a minority of the people,it does not suck away from the64000:40:28,019 --> 00:40:31,019podcast at all. In fact, we'veonly grown over time.64100:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,710That seems like you can meet inthe middle, because you have,64200:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,800yes, sort of two, you have twoparadigms. Here you have the64300:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,230radio paradigm, which isbroadcast live only,64400:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,020essentially. And then you havethe podcast paradigm, which is64500:40:43,020 --> 00:40:48,600all time shifted to asynchronousto use Ben's work, you know, you64600:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,970have these two things in themiddle. And then, but then you64700:40:50,970 --> 00:40:55,320have this middle ground whereyou have an a podcast, like no64800:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,820agenda, or accidental tech orcoder, radio, Linux unplugged,64900:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,750just many examples is more thango down the list as a lot. We're65000:41:03,750 --> 00:41:05,430live streaming and audio stream.65100:41:05,789 --> 00:41:11,579So those are podcasters, making,taking the step into towards the65200:41:11,579 --> 00:41:14,459middle. Yes, they got one figureout once they get the right foot65300:41:14,459 --> 00:41:17,639in podcasting, their left footand live broadcasting. And then65400:41:17,639 --> 00:41:23,009and, and they have both. Butthen radio, as has been doing65500:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,889the radio has been doing thatfor a while, like time shifting65600:41:25,889 --> 00:41:30,059their shows as podcasts, butthey don't maintain the live in65700:41:30,059 --> 00:41:33,809app experience. But where'sWhere's a podcaster? That goes65800:41:33,809 --> 00:41:37,829live. They have their timeshifted podcast show up in the65900:41:37,829 --> 00:41:41,819feed later. But they they stillhave an in app live experience.66000:41:41,819 --> 00:41:46,169Whereas radio, their live isonly on a broadcast medium. And66100:41:46,169 --> 00:41:49,619their podcast shows. So there'sthis disconnect there. Whereas66200:41:49,769 --> 00:41:54,479like, I'll just explain, likethe vision I have is in app,66300:41:54,509 --> 00:41:59,459let's just say in any podcastapp, you, you go and you say I66400:41:59,459 --> 00:42:02,459want to listen to this radioshow. And you go you go to the66500:42:02,459 --> 00:42:06,719radio show it let's just sayit's me, see 100 Blah, blah,66600:42:06,719 --> 00:42:12,089blah, you go to that podcast.And you see all of the previous66700:42:12,089 --> 00:42:15,329shows just like a regularpodcast that have finished for66800:42:15,329 --> 00:42:18,899the day. And then at the topthough, you have live and you if66900:42:18,899 --> 00:42:22,109you want to listen live, you hitlive and Listen Live. If you67000:42:22,109 --> 00:42:24,899don't you just consume it as anormal podcasts.67100:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,510But okay, you've just helped meform the actual definition in67200:42:30,510 --> 00:42:34,230the context of how I've alwaysused it, and many people use it67300:42:34,230 --> 00:42:37,290successfully, and have beendoing this for four decades,67400:42:37,290 --> 00:42:41,520almost. But certainly more than10 years. Live is for the live67500:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,080studio audience. It's not areplacement. It is where people67600:42:46,080 --> 00:42:51,390who were a part of the creationof the show. That's that's what67700:42:51,390 --> 00:42:55,200the live thing is for. Yeah,I've never seen I've never, I do67800:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,780not see any world where peopletransition from, you know, you67900:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,540add a live stream to yourpodcast and people stop68000:43:03,540 --> 00:43:06,390downloading. That's not how ithappens, those people become68100:43:06,390 --> 00:43:10,080part of the show. And whetheryou like it or not, because68200:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,930they'll be emailing you duringthe show, there'll be text68300:43:12,930 --> 00:43:15,840messaging you, they'll besending you shit on Telegram, it68400:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,000doesn't matter if you have achat room or not, they're going68500:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,340to find ways to send messagesback to you. That's my68600:43:20,340 --> 00:43:23,730experience. And that's that'sthe part that that the whole68700:43:23,730 --> 00:43:27,060discussion is missed is whatexactly are we doing here? And68800:43:27,060 --> 00:43:30,480it's, it's satisfying, Ibelieve. And I think Dave, we're68900:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,080on the same page, a new catbecause I came from radio,69000:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,230remember. So this is how what Iknow to do now now we have this69100:43:37,230 --> 00:43:41,910whole slew of very professionaltalent, who are having to morph69200:43:41,910 --> 00:43:47,220their entire skill set into anonlinear system, which is very69300:43:47,220 --> 00:43:49,350different because you're notrushed to hit the top of the69400:43:49,350 --> 00:43:52,500hour or the commercial break orwhatever it is. And now you have69500:43:52,530 --> 00:43:55,110infinite ways to interact withthe audience and you have the69600:43:55,110 --> 00:44:00,570time to do it. And this, to meis is a has a very big future69700:44:00,570 --> 00:44:03,240for the talent that's out therethat's looking to differentiate69800:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,970themselves with a live studioaudience.69900:44:06,660 --> 00:44:09,840Yeah, it's like the wait, wait,don't tell me. Yes, yes, yes.70000:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,190Yes. Very good example.70100:44:11,849 --> 00:44:16,739Yeah. Thinking Albertus, you'reyou're now an honorary member of70200:44:16,739 --> 00:44:18,899the live sub committee.70300:44:18,929 --> 00:44:22,199Yes. where decisions are made?Yes.70400:44:22,230 --> 00:44:26,940Yeah. I was. I was listening andI agree with the, you know, with70500:44:27,450 --> 00:44:31,500the fact that the format's arevery different. So the way you,70600:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,370you, you craft the content thatdoesn't necessarily coincide.70700:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,550That's great. For me, that's onelevel of the conversation. But70800:44:38,580 --> 00:44:42,030if I step back, and I take itfrom a different standpoint,70900:44:42,060 --> 00:44:46,320just in terms of products, andadoption, what blew my mind when71000:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,030I saw live item was just onething. I thought, if this is71100:44:51,030 --> 00:44:55,290adopted, this is the only tagthat if adopted, then is going71200:44:55,290 --> 00:45:00,900to be tightly intertwining radiostreams, live streams. podcasts.71300:45:00,900 --> 00:45:04,680So podcast apps are going tosupport the radio streams. And71400:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,190so radio streaming apps aregoing to most likely. So the71500:45:08,310 --> 00:45:12,990step to support podcast is goingto be shorter possible. So and71600:45:12,990 --> 00:45:17,220this would contribute to theadoption of metadata from Point71700:45:17,220 --> 00:45:20,400A to Point Oh, so that's how Isaw it from the product71800:45:20,430 --> 00:45:22,920perspective. On the one hand,there is the former the medium,71900:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,830that's great, absolutely. But ifAmerica Gnostic to that, and is72000:45:25,830 --> 00:45:28,950think about adaptability, Ithink this is a great72100:45:28,950 --> 00:45:34,050opportunity to really intertwineand pair radio streams with72200:45:34,050 --> 00:45:37,200podcasting and basically reach alarger audience.72300:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,029Right, and do that at theprotocol level. Correct. And not72400:45:42,029 --> 00:45:44,399anything else? Because that Ithink that ultimately, is the72500:45:44,399 --> 00:45:49,679discussion on GitHub, and thediscussion is, well, we should72600:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,669also just point to the life pagewhere someone is streaming on72700:45:53,669 --> 00:45:56,759YouTube. Like, that makes nosense to me. That's, that's72800:45:56,759 --> 00:46:02,249yeah, I want to talk about that.So. So here was the idea, in72900:46:02,549 --> 00:46:06,899part part of what is the problemhere is that the live item was,73000:46:07,319 --> 00:46:10,919was up there for months. Andnobody commented on it until it73100:46:10,919 --> 00:46:13,829got into it got finalized. Andnow everybody has a flurry of73200:46:13,919 --> 00:46:19,919comments, which is, which is,you know, annoying. But, but, so73300:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,579mean. So, here's, here's the wayI'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna73400:46:23,579 --> 00:46:29,069start first principles here andthen build up. Some live item is73500:46:29,069 --> 00:46:33,149semantically meant to beequivalent. With an item.73600:46:35,759 --> 00:46:39,869Period. That's, that's what itis designed to be. It is it is73700:46:39,869 --> 00:46:44,009the live equivalent of an item.So that may and it has to be73800:46:44,009 --> 00:46:44,489met, it has73900:46:44,490 --> 00:46:50,220to be valid, a valid datatype.For an item74000:46:50,670 --> 00:46:55,650it needs to do it needs to funkfunction for live streams, the74100:46:55,650 --> 00:46:59,940same way that an item functionsfor episode got it first podcast74200:46:59,940 --> 00:47:03,570episodes got it. And one of thebasics. And so therefore,74300:47:04,650 --> 00:47:09,720default, as is, it needs to beself contained. That means it74400:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,130needs to deliver the content.The content needs to be74500:47:14,130 --> 00:47:18,510delivered to the app, not theapp just pointing to some other74600:47:18,510 --> 00:47:21,450place, right to launch anotherapp. Yeah,74700:47:21,449 --> 00:47:25,529this is an ingest just likeyou're ingesting an mp3 with74800:47:25,529 --> 00:47:28,559show notes with other otherdata. Okay.74900:47:28,860 --> 00:47:34,200Right. We're building we'rebuilding a podcast in 2.0. open75000:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,160source communities building isopen, decentralized systems75100:47:38,730 --> 00:47:42,030built on RSS, we're not we'renot a trade group or trade75200:47:42,030 --> 00:47:45,420association for podcasters.We're not trying to make we're75300:47:45,420 --> 00:47:48,900not the IAB we're not trying tomake somehow make their, you75400:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,920know, products do specificthings. We're, we're trying to75500:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,420build open systems that allowthis stuff to function in a75600:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,560specific way. That75700:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,050sounds very cultish to me. DaveJones does75800:48:01,440 --> 00:48:10,740well. So the light as written alive item, it does it, it does75900:48:10,740 --> 00:48:14,130the job it was designed to do,which is what I just laid out.76000:48:14,580 --> 00:48:17,910It delivers content in the app76100:48:18,210 --> 00:48:21,330for the app was added to renderany way the app76200:48:21,659 --> 00:48:25,889chooses. Yes. And so this is it,you can look at a different76300:48:25,889 --> 00:48:30,389differentiator. You can look atit very, very similarly to, to76400:48:30,389 --> 00:48:34,379the social to comments andsocial tag. The social tag by76500:48:34,379 --> 00:48:38,759design is meant to rendercomments and discussions in the76600:48:38,759 --> 00:48:41,789app. That's what we're, that'swhat we're building it for.76700:48:42,149 --> 00:48:46,469We're building it as a con as acontent delivery mechanism to76800:48:46,469 --> 00:48:47,189the app.76900:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,729We're so far in pod friendworks, at least that the the77000:48:53,729 --> 00:48:56,459reception side, there's nointeraction, but you can see and77100:48:56,459 --> 00:48:58,709there's a lot of interactionbecause I do it. I know agenda77200:48:58,709 --> 00:48:59,219social.77300:48:59,940 --> 00:49:04,470So it's cool. That's, that'swhere we're at. That's the77400:49:04,470 --> 00:49:06,840bottom line for it at themoment. Now there's this77500:49:06,870 --> 00:49:12,270discussion that has emerged thatsays, okay, that means and I'm77600:49:12,270 --> 00:49:17,310going to try to, you know,express the pushback in a in a77700:49:17,310 --> 00:49:20,250generous way that I think is iswhat people are trying to say,77800:49:20,790 --> 00:49:24,990which is that means that somepodcaster has to go build a nice77900:49:24,990 --> 00:49:27,870cast server or do some otherinfrastructure change and that's78000:49:27,870 --> 00:49:30,690that's a lot of work and we wantto meet them where they're at on78100:49:30,690 --> 00:49:35,610YouTube or any of these otherthings. Okay, that that is a78200:49:35,610 --> 00:49:42,900valid thing and I'm totallyunderstand it. That's not that78300:49:42,900 --> 00:49:47,700is a different thing to ask for.And so that what is being asked78400:49:47,700 --> 00:49:52,050for there is a notificationsystem. Yeah, is we're asking it78500:49:52,050 --> 00:49:55,950to do a new we're asking liveitem to do a new job. We're78600:49:55,950 --> 00:50:00,360asking it to deliver links tocontent in other apps. and78700:50:00,360 --> 00:50:09,300services. Now that that needs adifferent tag that so the way78800:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,810that I live item exists rightnow as it exists as a78900:50:12,810 --> 00:50:16,500notification to the app thatthere's live content available.79000:50:16,950 --> 00:50:20,190And inside the live item, youhave either enclosure or79100:50:20,190 --> 00:50:23,430alternate enclosure, whichnotifies the app that here's79200:50:23,430 --> 00:50:27,570where you can find the contentto begin to, to play in the app.79300:50:28,140 --> 00:50:31,710If we want the live item, andI'm, again, I'll say I'm fine79400:50:31,710 --> 00:50:35,400with this, if we want the liveitem to also be able to deliver79500:50:35,400 --> 00:50:41,100links to content on other appsand websites, we need a new tag,79600:50:41,340 --> 00:50:46,860something like external orcontent link or external link,79700:50:47,070 --> 00:50:51,690some other tag that can also beput into the live item. That is79800:50:51,690 --> 00:50:56,640just a link a semanticallyappropriate link to the content79900:50:56,670 --> 00:50:59,940on the other app or platform.That's the proper way to do80000:50:59,940 --> 00:51:00,450this.80100:51:00,869 --> 00:51:04,319We did the equivalent of afunding tag, basically just a80200:51:04,319 --> 00:51:07,979link to, to whatever that wouldbe Yeah,80300:51:08,429 --> 00:51:11,219you could make the same argumentwith social and with with with80400:51:11,219 --> 00:51:14,159comments tag, you can say, okay,by design, this is meant to80500:51:14,159 --> 00:51:19,499deliver activity, pub, or otheror matrix or some other80600:51:19,799 --> 00:51:25,019protocol, wire level content tothe app. But if we have this80700:51:25,019 --> 00:51:28,349thing called, you know, whateverit might be content link, or80800:51:28,349 --> 00:51:32,699this other tag, we can also putthat into the social tag, and80900:51:32,699 --> 00:51:37,079say, Okay, here's a link to mytwitter thread. And then the81000:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,349app, if it wants to choose is tohonor this, it could launch81100:51:40,349 --> 00:51:46,169Twitter. But we don't want tobuild the social tag, or the81200:51:46,169 --> 00:51:50,429live item tag around the notionthat this is going to be81300:51:50,429 --> 00:51:54,689delivering links to othercontent, because that's not what81400:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,099it is designed to do. It can bemade to do that. But if we're81500:51:59,099 --> 00:52:02,069going to make it do that, weneed to do it the right way. But81600:52:02,069 --> 00:52:07,289giving it the correctsemantically appropriate tag to81700:52:07,289 --> 00:52:08,099go into it.81800:52:08,429 --> 00:52:11,909One question, and then we'll seeif our guests are still alive.81900:52:13,469 --> 00:52:17,429That was very clear. Appreciateit. So how does this differ from82000:52:17,429 --> 00:52:23,069say, the media tag, if I wasgoing to put a PDF in my as my82100:52:23,069 --> 00:52:27,989enclosure is that that doesn'thave any description and doesn't82200:52:27,989 --> 00:52:31,499say anything about how it shouldbe rendered. It's just a piece82300:52:31,499 --> 00:52:35,639of media, it has the samemetadata in the item. And then82400:52:35,639 --> 00:52:38,639it's up to the app where thereknows how to render that or not82500:52:38,639 --> 00:52:41,339that particular media file, howis that different from the live82600:52:41,339 --> 00:52:44,519tags that purely thenotification or the timestamp82700:52:44,519 --> 00:52:45,179that's in there?82800:52:45,809 --> 00:52:49,589Well, lot, the notion ofsomething being live needs other82900:52:49,739 --> 00:52:53,609needs other attributes that thatokay, I got that one got the I83000:52:53,609 --> 00:53:01,229got it live start time, stat.Yeah. And so the the idea here83100:53:01,229 --> 00:53:06,269is that we can make this work.But we don't, we really, really83200:53:06,269 --> 00:53:09,599don't want to start shoving thisstuff into something like the83300:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,609link tag. It's just not it's notwhat it's meant for. We want it83400:53:14,609 --> 00:53:18,989we want to do this right. And,and in order to do it that way.83500:53:19,709 --> 00:53:22,559There's a couple that we need todo it technically, right, which83600:53:22,589 --> 00:53:27,599which is going to require a newtag. or, excuse me, excuse me.83700:53:27,629 --> 00:53:32,609And we also have to be cognizantof the fact that if we're83800:53:32,609 --> 00:53:35,009looking at app adoption, and Iwant to get your opinion on83900:53:35,009 --> 00:53:40,139this, Elberta, if we're lookingfor app adoption here on all84000:53:40,139 --> 00:53:44,189these tags, clearly we arethat's the whole point. If I84100:53:44,189 --> 00:53:48,809tell an app like it, well, letme let me flesh this a little84200:53:48,809 --> 00:53:53,849bit further. If we want adoptionfrom all apps, we don't want84300:53:53,849 --> 00:53:59,939podcasting 2.0 tags to just beadopted by pod verse and, and84400:53:59,939 --> 00:54:04,649pod friend and cast ematic andpure Val caster, we don't want84500:54:04,649 --> 00:54:08,939that we want these tags to beadopted by Spotify, Apple,84600:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,189Amazon music, we want these allto be adopted across the entire84700:54:14,189 --> 00:54:19,379podcast industry. Now imaginethat your Did you are delivering84800:54:19,649 --> 00:54:24,659links into a live in live itemin the podcasts or puts in84900:54:24,659 --> 00:54:28,739there? Okay, here's my live itemin its it's just simply a link85000:54:28,739 --> 00:54:34,649to Facebook. That is somethingthat Apple podcasts will never,85100:54:34,859 --> 00:54:38,219they're never going to just havea link there that launches85200:54:38,219 --> 00:54:40,319Facebook for you out of theirapp.85300:54:41,340 --> 00:54:45,480Yes, I mean, they'll put itbehind a walled garden for only85400:54:45,870 --> 00:54:49,470their own app. So in otherwords, if if I had that tag and85500:54:49,470 --> 00:54:52,380I was parsing it, I would sayokay, you've got to like pay85600:54:52,380 --> 00:54:56,340extra for the Apple iTunes appto get this functionality for85700:54:56,340 --> 00:55:00,240these podcasters Yeah, I don'tsee it being adopted as kind of85800:55:00,240 --> 00:55:05,010like a open source, at least onthe big guys. I mean, I could be85900:55:05,010 --> 00:55:07,800wrong. And it would be nice if Iwere but but one86000:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,950of the one of the use case, oneof those like example scenarios86100:55:10,950 --> 00:55:15,180was, what about Joe Rogan? Whatabout your somebody's gonna86200:55:15,180 --> 00:55:18,390listen to the Joe Rogan podcast,but it's over here on Spotify,86300:55:18,690 --> 00:55:23,820streaming live or whatever. Imean, app, Apple podcast is86400:55:23,820 --> 00:55:26,730never going to launch theSpotify app for you so that you86500:55:26,730 --> 00:55:30,000can listen to Jim okay. Yeah,they don't link out. It's not86600:55:30,090 --> 00:55:34,590No, no, they'll never they'llnever adopt this. And so, I86700:55:34,590 --> 00:55:37,740don't know, there's a 10.There's a technical issue here86800:55:37,740 --> 00:55:40,500that I think can be solved. Ifand I think it can be solved86900:55:40,500 --> 00:55:45,120very quickly, by just having anexternal content tag. It can be87000:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,270put in there. But then there'salso this practical idea that I87100:55:48,270 --> 00:55:54,060see this being a real adoption,head adoption. Like just no go.87200:55:55,380 --> 00:55:56,310May you87300:55:56,340 --> 00:55:58,320mean, no, go?87400:55:58,740 --> 00:56:03,060Like, what you're saying is ifis if we want these bigger apps87500:56:03,060 --> 00:56:05,910to launch, to some how long? No,we87600:56:05,909 --> 00:56:11,579don't know, I think it's clear.And I think that this is a great87700:56:11,579 --> 00:56:14,039way to get the namespaceadopted, because I do think87800:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,289radio stations will say, Oh,wait, we can get our streaming87900:56:16,289 --> 00:56:20,279those apps. And let's, let'smake sure we add to the88000:56:20,279 --> 00:56:24,149namespace with that at least theLIVE TAG to to our feeds,88100:56:24,990 --> 00:56:30,090I would never expect I wouldnever, I would never expect an88200:56:30,090 --> 00:56:35,880app to launch another app sothat you can hear or see your88300:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,930content. I wouldn't expect that,you know, you're gonna88400:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,830know they've here I agree withyou regarding semantics. But I'm88500:56:43,830 --> 00:56:47,430not so concerned, because Ithink that this is a matter of88600:56:47,430 --> 00:56:52,020having all hosting companies orthe companies that produce the88700:56:52,020 --> 00:56:58,110RSS feed aligned, yeah. So thatyou have the link, for a link.88800:56:58,110 --> 00:57:01,350So semantically speaking, itmakes no sense in the live item88900:57:01,350 --> 00:57:04,500tag. So that's what I'm saying.It doesn't concern me, if we all89000:57:04,500 --> 00:57:08,910agree on following thenamespace. This cannot happen. I89100:57:08,910 --> 00:57:13,680understand the conversation beon GitHub, but it makes a lot of89200:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,130sense to have to have a reallive stream URL there, not a89300:57:17,130 --> 00:57:20,730website, for example, or aYouTube page. And this is must,89400:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,000must be enforced by the hostingcompanies. And then when there89500:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,750is a high adoption of a certaintag, bigger companies and or89600:57:30,750 --> 00:57:34,230players like Spotify, they'regonna start to notice and89700:57:34,260 --> 00:57:36,480hopefully, they're going tostart to implement them, because89800:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,420it's big, simply because theyhave a higher adoption.89900:57:39,660 --> 00:57:43,740You know, what's really cool isthat we have no agenda stream.90000:57:44,550 --> 00:57:49,770And so there's, there must be atleast 15 live shows. And so now90100:57:49,770 --> 00:57:53,220they can, and they have, butthey also have podcast. So now90200:57:53,220 --> 00:57:57,720they can all individually usethe same URL, notify, hey, we're90300:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,500live at this point. I mean, thisis this is, it's just gonna be90400:58:01,500 --> 00:58:03,960really groundbreaking stuffwhere a couple of you know,90500:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,250that's now you have the essenceof a Podcast Network. Because90600:58:08,250 --> 00:58:10,770they're literally connected bythe same stream, it's a lot of90700:58:10,770 --> 00:58:14,010this stuff that I think is goingto be very surprising once we90800:58:14,010 --> 00:58:17,760get it in. And you're right. Andwe need that for this has always90900:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,450been the thing hostingcompanies, we have about four or91000:58:21,450 --> 00:58:24,750five, who are reallyimplementing tags as they go and91100:58:24,750 --> 00:58:27,210as the demand from becauseeveryone has slightly different91200:58:27,210 --> 00:58:31,560users, or maybe wildly differentusers. And we're building this91300:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,760is a slow a slow process. Youknow, I saw it in 1.0. It just91400:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,480takes time.91500:58:37,289 --> 00:58:42,509Yeah, I did want to bring thatup is that, you know, the day to91600:58:42,509 --> 00:58:45,359day on these things and what Iwas reading on the mastodon,91700:58:45,539 --> 00:58:51,899it's pretty easy to lose kind ofa higher level viewpoint of what91800:58:51,899 --> 00:58:55,739you guys accomplished. As agroup. I mean, everybody on that91900:58:55,739 --> 00:58:59,969Mastodon chat that I'm that I'mreading, everybody has produced92000:58:59,999 --> 00:59:04,019an amazing advancement forpodcasting. And so yes,92100:59:04,199 --> 00:59:08,219regardless of how the day to daygoes on this particular tag at92200:59:08,219 --> 00:59:11,999this particular time, kind of,we should not let that get lost92300:59:11,999 --> 00:59:14,309into the miraculous achievementthat this92400:59:14,310 --> 00:59:17,490is yeah. Thank you. You92500:59:17,490 --> 00:59:22,020know, I that's what I go backto. And that's why we love you92600:59:22,020 --> 00:59:25,740know, especially when the batsignal went out. Bobby said92700:59:25,740 --> 00:59:30,930public funding, yeah, the sad,we're happy, we're happy to, to92800:59:30,930 --> 00:59:35,760jump in because we we, we havenot lost sight of, of what92900:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,290everybody has contributed todoing. I mean, you know, I tell93000:59:40,290 --> 00:59:43,680you this apple would not behosting any content, any podcast93100:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,210content had the podcast indexnot come about now that you93200:59:48,210 --> 00:59:51,090check, like that's a huge, youknow, multi trillion dollar93300:59:51,090 --> 00:59:53,670company that changed theirapproach to this particular93400:59:53,670 --> 00:59:57,090medium, simply because thatsmall piece jumped in. Was that93500:59:57,090 --> 00:59:59,970a good or bad thing? I don'tcare. It's like a massive93601:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,220improvement, like it changed thelandscape. And so I, you know,93701:00:05,730 --> 01:00:09,090Alberto and I are, you know,we're we're in the same boat93801:00:09,090 --> 01:00:12,750that the day to day can kind ofcloud the focus or cloud the93901:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,020overall vision but don't don'tlose sight of what what's there94001:00:16,050 --> 01:00:17,100and what everybody's done.94101:00:17,820 --> 01:00:21,330Yeah, and I don't you know, wewe've been, me and Adam both94201:00:21,330 --> 01:00:24,030been part of multiple opensource projects in the past and94301:00:24,270 --> 01:00:28,260the day to day flame wars comeand go and everything and I have94401:00:28,620 --> 01:00:31,590a very thick skin. I mean,people can, you know, say what,94501:00:31,590 --> 01:00:34,980it's also very healthy. This is,this is very good. This is the94601:00:34,980 --> 01:00:38,280shit you can't do in a corporateenvironment. You can't piss94701:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,180people off. Yeah, it doesn'twork that way. So I've always94801:00:42,180 --> 01:00:46,020said that just looking at theproductivity of the group. If94901:00:46,020 --> 01:00:49,860you could even afford thisgroup, because it's quite large,95001:00:50,010 --> 01:00:52,380you would never get theproductivity never get the95101:00:52,380 --> 01:00:56,190thinking. And in general,everyone's actually much more95201:00:56,220 --> 01:00:59,010honest and courteous towardseach other, even though we get95301:00:59,010 --> 01:01:03,210flame wars and stuff. But it'sreally fantastic. And this95401:01:03,210 --> 01:01:06,060format, I think the mastodonformat has a lot to do with it.95501:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,660Because it's not like an emaillist is not what you know, shit95601:01:09,660 --> 01:01:13,890scrolls off. Like that. Someother thing going on. Let me see95701:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,140what that is. And you loseinterest, which is good. That's95801:01:16,140 --> 01:01:18,750how it should be is done. It'sin the timeline. You don't want95901:01:18,750 --> 01:01:19,410to go back to it.96001:01:19,829 --> 01:01:23,579Yeah, I think I think in theultimately. So I think we can, I96101:01:23,579 --> 01:01:28,979think we can absolutely deliverwhat's being asked for. We just,96201:01:29,429 --> 01:01:34,439we just need to do it in a in awell thought out way. And I96301:01:34,439 --> 01:01:37,649don't think it will take long, Ithink it's a very easy thing to96401:01:37,649 --> 01:01:41,039implement, as I do think we cando what's being asked for, I96501:01:41,039 --> 01:01:44,039just want to make sure that wedon't do it in we don't try to96601:01:44,039 --> 01:01:45,809like shoehorn something in and Igive96701:01:45,869 --> 01:01:50,639away. Also, this is a very goodgroup effort and practice for96801:01:50,639 --> 01:01:54,329comments. Because we havesimilar problems with with the96901:01:54,329 --> 01:01:57,359comments tag that we have here.They although I think it's much97001:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,499more complicated. So gettingthrough this as a group and all97101:02:01,499 --> 01:02:03,749agreeing and figuring it out, Ithink is going to be good for97201:02:03,749 --> 01:02:05,789us. This will really help withthe next steps.97301:02:05,970 --> 01:02:08,610Yeah, I think comments. There'sbeen, you know, a lot of97401:02:08,610 --> 01:02:11,490questions about comments lately,I think it is, I continue to say97501:02:11,490 --> 01:02:14,460it is the most difficult tagwe're ever going to do as a97601:02:14,460 --> 01:02:19,770group. Because there's so manymoving parts the live compared97701:02:19,770 --> 01:02:23,010to live item, it's way harder,because they look at look at97801:02:23,010 --> 01:02:25,950Daniel J. Lewis, his post, he'slike, here's the 15 things we97901:02:25,950 --> 01:02:29,460need for comments. You'reessentially rebuilding Twitter.98001:02:33,269 --> 01:02:36,119What I think ties this alltogether, and I really want to98101:02:36,119 --> 01:02:41,159talk to Roberto and Ben aboutthis is a piece of technology98201:02:41,159 --> 01:02:45,239that kind of dropped out of thebottom of podcasting 2.0. And98301:02:45,269 --> 01:02:49,649the more I look at it, the morebeauty I see in it, and how it98401:02:49,649 --> 01:02:54,689can really tie everybody big andsmall together. And that's pod98501:02:54,689 --> 01:02:59,429ping. I mean, pod ping is sopowerful that I know that I98601:02:59,429 --> 01:03:01,679could start a consultingbusiness and I could build a98701:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,269database of a large portion, atleast of all active feeds, I98801:03:06,269 --> 01:03:09,479know exactly when they'reupdating, I could build a98901:03:09,479 --> 01:03:14,969podcast app just using pod ping,just using pod ping, you know,99001:03:14,969 --> 01:03:20,099and like a supplementary search.And this, this notifier I think99101:03:20,099 --> 01:03:26,009is so powerful. Roberto, how doyou see this?99201:03:26,880 --> 01:03:33,090I fully agree and I'm verysurprised that botting is not99301:03:33,090 --> 01:03:38,910been adopted yet by Austincompanies. Right? I believe I99401:03:38,910 --> 01:03:42,240was speaking with Dave a fewmonths ago, they were talking99501:03:42,240 --> 01:03:48,330about the last update right inan RSS feed the last update and99601:03:48,330 --> 01:03:53,250putting solves so many problemsat the same times. And it can99701:03:53,250 --> 01:03:56,430allow for example for the livestream to notify when the stream99801:03:56,490 --> 01:04:01,170is starting. But also you canliterally like a Pub Sub hub99901:04:01,830 --> 01:04:06,360send a ping on where when whenwhen anything in our RSS feed so100001:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,010instead of scraping Yes, we havemajor companies scraping our100101:04:11,010 --> 01:04:17,940feeds 10s of 1000s of times perminute right so that to solve100201:04:17,940 --> 01:04:22,020all the problems so long storyshort, it should be mandatory if100301:04:22,020 --> 01:04:23,970we could have a low100401:04:24,150 --> 01:04:27,030and also I would do that youknow what so let me just say100501:04:27,030 --> 01:04:32,790this Apple Apple Listen to meApple no one will know no one100601:04:32,790 --> 01:04:36,720has any way of knowing that ifyou use pod ping there's no100701:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,410technical way for anybody toknow that you're doing it it's100801:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,040okay no one can narc on you thatyou're cheating with the open100901:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,420source guys. We know they notalready do we don't we don't101001:04:48,420 --> 01:04:52,170they might be do it. Do it.Everybody should be doing this a101101:04:52,170 --> 01:04:55,710better you're so rightmandatory. And it's it is a it101201:04:55,710 --> 01:05:00,480is. It is like the first kind ofweb three blockchain Neve101301:05:00,990 --> 01:05:05,820bruster Brian of London chapeau.Ba my hat's off to you. Because101401:05:05,820 --> 01:05:09,570what it's just a beautiful,beautiful piece of technology101501:05:09,870 --> 01:05:14,700that can live forever. And ittruly can be the backbone of101601:05:14,700 --> 01:05:17,730podcasting. When no one owns101701:05:17,849 --> 01:05:20,279a large company, any largecompany with any sort of101801:05:20,279 --> 01:05:22,559environmental initiatives, andthey're right,101901:05:22,589 --> 01:05:24,869they should be doing this. Yes.Yeah,102001:05:24,899 --> 01:05:27,809they should be doing this. Weneed to see ESG beta meeting.102101:05:27,809 --> 01:05:28,049Yeah, we102201:05:28,050 --> 01:05:31,920didn't ESG pitch on this, like,Hey, this is this is it? Yes.102301:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,640Yeah. I think you can make acase that you can improve your102401:05:35,670 --> 01:05:42,150ESG score by not scraping 10,000times a minute. It's just wasted102501:05:42,150 --> 01:05:43,740resources, you know,102601:05:43,769 --> 01:05:48,599correct. Yes, GMA plus there isthe added value in the morning,102701:05:48,899 --> 01:05:51,569drinking a coffee while watchingthe PA just102801:05:51,570 --> 01:05:54,900the sexiest thing ever. I do itto like, Boom, look at that.102901:05:54,900 --> 01:05:57,750Look at that. Look at that. Oh,that's an interesting podcast.103001:05:57,750 --> 01:05:58,470Yeah,103101:05:58,620 --> 01:06:00,120on the pod thing, front alley,that's103201:06:00,449 --> 01:06:03,389being done. Watch everybody podping Dot Watch. If you want to103301:06:03,389 --> 01:06:03,959see that.103401:06:04,380 --> 01:06:06,930Alex and Brian are currentlyhard at work I'm seeing they're103501:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,130they're, they're merging pullrequests, like, like mad. There.103601:06:11,190 --> 01:06:17,460They are upgrading piping to thenext iteration that will support103701:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,750reason codes. And so what doesthat mean? In the future, you'll103801:06:21,750 --> 01:06:27,300be able to read now all you getis a feed URL, something has it103901:06:27,300 --> 01:06:29,850changed? In the future? You'regonna you're gonna know what104001:06:29,850 --> 01:06:31,800changed or why. Yes?104101:06:32,070 --> 01:06:34,170Oh, what element changed?104201:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,829Yeah. You're not necessarilywhat element but what why did it104301:06:37,829 --> 01:06:40,739change? So you're just gonna,there's gonna be like, well104401:06:40,739 --> 01:06:43,349live, you know, this, this feedjust went live?104501:06:43,409 --> 01:06:47,909Ah, oh, and what is it? What isit? What does it drag that data104601:06:47,909 --> 01:06:51,989from just by knowing what'shappening or because something104701:06:51,989 --> 01:06:52,979is added or104801:06:53,490 --> 01:06:57,270whatever the input is? So if youhad a, you know, if you're, if104901:06:57,270 --> 01:07:02,310you have a live stream, and thenyou can send along that that105001:07:02,310 --> 01:07:06,360reason code with it, and say,Okay, now the status, the live105101:07:06,360 --> 01:07:07,950status has changed for people105201:07:07,949 --> 01:07:12,839wanting to investigate what istheir GitHub is our spot for the105301:07:12,899 --> 01:07:13,919for the pod ping?105401:07:15,059 --> 01:07:17,639There is bit odd, put it in theshow notes, because it's too105501:07:17,639 --> 01:07:22,289long to kind of read out. Andthere's this, there's this105601:07:22,319 --> 01:07:26,279other, I don't know where we aretimewise. But there's, you know,105701:07:26,279 --> 01:07:30,149something else happened? Is Ideleted a whole bunch of anchor105801:07:30,149 --> 01:07:33,509feeds. They're not deleted, butthat marked them put them in the105901:07:33,509 --> 01:07:37,379graveyard. In the graveyard?Yes, a tombstone them. And this106001:07:37,379 --> 01:07:40,889would be interesting to ask froma hosting company perspective.106101:07:41,759 --> 01:07:46,259So here, here's what I ended upeliminating from the index106201:07:46,259 --> 01:07:55,079296,000 feeds. These feeds, thecriteria was, they have two106301:07:55,079 --> 01:08:02,339episodes or less. And the totalcon, the total length of the106401:08:02,339 --> 01:08:06,539enclosure, within any episodewas less than three minutes106501:08:06,539 --> 01:08:12,419long. So if it met thosecriteria, if nothing if it106601:08:12,419 --> 01:08:15,029basically if it if they had nomore than three minutes of106701:08:15,029 --> 01:08:19,949content and less than threeepisodes, it was removed.106801:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,150Was there a date on that day? Imean, did you?106901:08:24,299 --> 01:08:28,889Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Yeah. Also adate? Yes. If it had not been107001:08:28,889 --> 01:08:34,859updated in the if there's no newitems published in a year. So so107101:08:34,889 --> 01:08:38,369two minute to two episodes orless, less than three minutes107201:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,819not updated in a year? And alsothe last piece? glad you107301:08:41,819 --> 01:08:47,129mentioned that. No, iTunes ID.Yeah. So he met all those107401:08:47,129 --> 01:08:47,669criteria?107501:08:48,210 --> 01:08:53,640Yeah, I mean, those criteria,Dave, you basically are very107601:08:53,640 --> 01:08:58,290aligned with the internalquality filter we used to have,107701:08:58,590 --> 01:09:01,830which was like decision tree.And it was very similar.107801:09:02,310 --> 01:09:05,490monistic quality filter, itmeans that when we submit a107901:09:05,490 --> 01:09:08,850show, or in our community, forexample, we have a community108001:09:08,850 --> 01:09:14,820page, where we showcase ourpodcasts and our users and our108101:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,190end, we always have we at thebeginning, we had a mix of108201:09:20,700 --> 01:09:24,180duration, number of episodes,right? And then we started to108301:09:24,180 --> 01:09:28,770add a bit of machine learning inorder to make sure that we could108401:09:28,770 --> 01:09:34,650capture also the short episodesthat actually were quality108501:09:34,650 --> 01:09:37,590episodes, but the format wasvery, very, there was a big108601:09:37,590 --> 01:09:40,710delta between the format or theaverage format and those108701:09:40,710 --> 01:09:42,990formats, which are very littlebut the long story short, is108801:09:42,990 --> 01:09:48,000that you did very well to removethose feeds because 99% of the108901:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,660times they are not quality, theyactually are not sure it's most109001:09:51,660 --> 01:09:53,610of the times I guess theirtastes.109101:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,680Yes, that's okay. So I'm glad tohear you say that because I was109201:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,640thinking about this again. I hada lot of time to think about109301:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,850sort of the prac, the technical,practical side of this and the109401:10:05,850 --> 01:10:10,860philosophical side of this,because this is not really, this109501:10:10,860 --> 01:10:15,300is not really trying to purgebased on content. It's not what109601:10:15,300 --> 01:10:20,040this is not, you're not purgingon what it's about your purging109701:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,280on whether or not it meets aminimum level of listening109801:10:23,280 --> 01:10:29,520ability. Like, is, is thiscontent? What there? There's the109901:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,800quote, okay, so there's thequestion of the technical110001:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,770definition of what is a podcast?Okay, well, it's a, it's an RSS110101:10:34,770 --> 01:10:39,720feed that references an audiocontent or video content. But110201:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,380then there's the philosophicalquestion of what a podcast is.110301:10:43,890 --> 01:10:49,380And that question is its, it hasto meet a certain it has to have110401:10:49,380 --> 01:10:55,740a certain level of, of listenerlisten ability, or, or content110501:10:55,740 --> 01:10:58,800in it, that people wouldrecognize as something as some110601:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,570sort of communication. That is,you know what I mean? Literally,110701:11:03,570 --> 01:11:07,290I could pay for I could play fory'all dozens and dozens of110801:11:07,290 --> 01:11:10,320things, where it's just someDoosan Hey, hey, alright. And110901:11:10,320 --> 01:11:15,180that's it. It's the only thing.I don't want to get into these.111001:11:15,810 --> 01:11:18,300What I'm trying to say is itdoesn't it doesn't feel like I'm111101:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,210getting rid of these 300,000fees did not seem like111201:11:21,210 --> 01:11:27,000editorializing to me. It seemedlike a clean like a technical111301:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,470cleanup exercise.111401:11:28,530 --> 01:11:34,830Yeah, exactly. The way I see Isee the is like spam. Right? So111501:11:34,950 --> 01:11:40,950you, yes, yes, you probablycapture 99.5% of the non quality111601:11:40,950 --> 01:11:45,690non real podcasts non realshows, then there are some false111701:11:45,690 --> 01:11:48,630positives. But is it similar towhat happened especially at the111801:11:48,630 --> 01:11:51,210very beginning with spamfilters, right, where you have111901:11:51,210 --> 01:11:54,060to train them and you improveyour, your approach? Let's say112001:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,610that your approach is verymanual, which is perfect,112101:11:56,610 --> 01:11:59,760because it captures most of thedistribution, let's say, of112201:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,630shows that don't fit thosecriteria. But but that's a112301:12:03,630 --> 01:12:06,330start. So I wouldn't see it aseditorial we had the same112401:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,990conundrum. Yes, no, do we deletethem? Do we? What are we gonna112501:12:09,990 --> 01:12:12,870do? Some of them were paying?And we had to like, Wait,112601:12:12,870 --> 01:12:16,980basically cancel the steps. Butwhat are we going to do? So?112701:12:17,010 --> 01:12:20,310Yeah, it's an interestingphilosophical problem, but I112801:12:20,310 --> 01:12:21,840like, technical approach.112901:12:21,899 --> 01:12:25,679Yeah, I like the idea of bertosoffering there, Dave is, is not113001:12:25,679 --> 01:12:28,049first of all, if you don'tqualify it as if you don't call113101:12:28,049 --> 01:12:32,759that dead show, if you call it,you know, technical spam, or113201:12:32,759 --> 01:12:34,739something like that, you know,to spam and you're doing a113301:12:34,739 --> 01:12:38,549technical cleanup. And really,you know, at some point, people113401:12:38,549 --> 01:12:42,719should be able to, you know,claim their feed go in and mark113501:12:42,719 --> 01:12:43,619it is not spam.113601:12:45,270 --> 01:12:48,870Yeah, and well, there's anthere's this, this notion of the113701:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,740Eat Sure, we want to have all ofthe podcast feeds in the in the113801:12:52,740 --> 01:12:55,740world, we want that. But at thesame time, there's there are113901:12:55,740 --> 01:12:59,700practical limits. I mean, sure.We can't just, we couldn't have114001:12:59,700 --> 01:13:02,340like, let's just say 40 millionpodcasts.114101:13:02,370 --> 01:13:05,070Now you tell me what do youmean, we can't scale to that?114201:13:05,070 --> 01:13:08,700What are you talking about? Yes,we can. Don't ever say we can,114301:13:08,730 --> 01:13:12,510okay. Okay, we can't do thatright now. Okay, this is it114401:13:12,510 --> 01:13:20,940today. And so, and I limitedthis to only anchor, because I114501:13:20,940 --> 01:13:25,080think anchor is uniquelypositioned, technically114601:13:25,080 --> 01:13:30,390speaking, to create to be aconduit for this sort of podcast114701:13:30,390 --> 01:13:35,640spam, because of what they areand how they function. This idea114801:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,940that you can just launch it fromyour phone, talking to your114901:13:38,940 --> 01:13:41,220phone, and you've got a podcast.115001:13:43,020 --> 01:13:47,550But I, I partially agree, sorryfor interrupting. But I115101:13:47,550 --> 01:13:51,330partially agree because forexample, we do have the free115201:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,320first episode. So all featureseverything, you just sign up no115301:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,590credit card. And when welaunched that we had this, we115401:13:58,590 --> 01:14:02,700could see and observe that kindof conduct. But what we did was115501:14:02,700 --> 01:14:05,910building an app, basically, wehave a spam engine. This is not115601:14:05,910 --> 01:14:08,880the quality filter is an enginethat is based mostly on the115701:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,030description on the presence ofthe cover, but we have some115801:14:12,030 --> 01:14:14,430machine learning there. We havetraining there, and we trained115901:14:14,430 --> 01:14:18,990from our internal CRM, whetherthe Spam is correct or not any116001:14:19,110 --> 01:14:23,340works for 98% accuracy regionunder the curve, which means116101:14:23,340 --> 01:14:26,130it's a good system, we actuallyhave very little false116201:14:26,130 --> 01:14:28,980positives. So this could beprevented by anger if they116301:14:28,980 --> 01:14:29,460wanted.116401:14:29,610 --> 01:14:35,910Also, imagine the improvement inthe ESG score. If we didn't have116501:14:35,910 --> 01:14:41,220stupid machines, pinging stupidshows 10,000 times a minute,116601:14:41,250 --> 01:14:44,490it's waste. It's It's warmingthe earth.116701:14:44,970 --> 01:14:48,300What do they call that thingthat you get with a 401k? Or116801:14:48,300 --> 01:14:52,980like a like a mutualperspective, we need to develop116901:14:52,980 --> 01:14:55,650a perspective yes, we're the key117001:14:55,680 --> 01:15:00,210if someone out there is an ESGlitigant, because that's What it117101:15:00,210 --> 01:15:05,100all is? Someone's a lawyer, andyou need to someone needs to sue117201:15:05,130 --> 01:15:10,650apple and Spotify over thishorrible Earth warming practice.117301:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,830Oh, it's hard to breathe.There's so much co2 Apple.117401:15:16,020 --> 01:15:20,640Well, I mean, I know he was, butthere is there is some logical117501:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,370business sense behind doingthis. It's it's not throwing117601:15:23,370 --> 01:15:30,210money away, you know? VSG the SGangle is a good one, I think,117701:15:30,450 --> 01:15:32,850because we all want to be wisestewards, but at the same time,117801:15:32,850 --> 01:15:35,580there's money being thrown awaywhen they're running. Yeah, a117901:15:35,580 --> 01:15:38,520million servers out therepulling RSS feeds and then the118001:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,330hosts inkind have to have amillion servers answering RSS118101:15:42,330 --> 01:15:44,580feeds. There's I118201:15:44,580 --> 01:15:47,250can tell you, I can tell youfrom what you're like the what118301:15:47,250 --> 01:15:51,840you're describing is completelyaccurate Ben because most you118401:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,250take a guy like Marco who hasspent years developing his Algor118501:15:56,250 --> 01:16:01,560his feet checking algorithms andto where he can minimize the118601:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,860server usage because everydollar counts for his setup. But118701:16:04,860 --> 01:16:08,130then you have a company likeApple or some other company who118801:16:08,130 --> 01:16:12,540just has so much money theiranswer to that is not is not118901:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,290optimize the algorithm theiranswer is throw 12 more servers119001:16:16,290 --> 01:16:16,620at it119101:16:16,860 --> 01:16:20,070but also look at the wasteFacebook is producing with these119201:16:20,100 --> 01:16:27,030you know 512 K downloads on Imean, these these, these are ESG119301:16:27,030 --> 01:16:29,400score lowering maneuversFacebook.119401:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,650Yeah, good. That's horrible.119501:16:32,850 --> 01:16:36,300So we thank some people or dowe? Because we're running one119601:16:36,300 --> 01:16:39,510hour 60 Man, these guys are toomuch fun listening to you talk119701:16:39,510 --> 01:16:39,720day.119801:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,210Okay, so practical question.We've got like a million119901:16:45,450 --> 01:16:48,900donation thanks to Ray do wantto stick around or120001:16:48,989 --> 01:16:51,059Yeah, we love sticking around.This is my favorite part of the120101:16:51,059 --> 01:16:51,509show.120201:16:52,950 --> 01:16:54,690Okay. All right.120301:16:54,690 --> 01:16:59,460And let's dig up to as I saidblueberry and Chad Ferro for120401:16:59,910 --> 01:17:03,270boost booster gramming Duringthe show, well done well done.120501:17:03,809 --> 01:17:06,689Yeah, we missed last week. So wegot we've got like an extra week120601:17:06,689 --> 01:17:09,839of things are here with the nowthis is gonna be interesting.120701:17:10,919 --> 01:17:18,419Right off the bat. This is$270.64 from the from the guys120801:17:18,449 --> 01:17:20,189at antenna pod. Whoa.120901:17:21,300 --> 01:17:26,130Shakalaka 20 is Blaze. bigballer.121001:17:26,430 --> 01:17:32,070Yeah, it's okay. So he he askedme to have you since he's Dutch.121101:17:32,070 --> 01:17:37,050He wants you to pronounce hisname. Okay. Cohen, Glock got121201:17:37,050 --> 01:17:38,280back. Okay.121301:17:38,280 --> 01:17:39,930Oh, he Oh yeah.121401:17:40,650 --> 01:17:46,680GLOTZ b ACH. Ah,121501:17:46,710 --> 01:17:49,560this is a German isn't thatdoesn't sound Dutch. It's Kuhn.121601:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,700Kuhn is very Dutch. Okay.Klotzbach.121701:17:55,470 --> 01:17:57,240Okay, cool. Little121801:18:03,300 --> 01:18:07,140what you said sounded like barfbag in Dutch. It was very funny.121901:18:08,340 --> 01:18:10,140Khun barf bag everybody Yes.122001:18:12,420 --> 01:18:18,960Sorry for insulting the guy thatis he says the antenna pod122101:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,990community decided to donate 250euros for the podcast122201:18:21,990 --> 01:18:24,810and that is so cool.122301:18:25,500 --> 01:18:27,360Thank you guys. Yeah.122401:18:28,380 --> 01:18:32,70010 apart there of defaultinstall on a lot of a lot of122501:18:32,700 --> 01:18:33,690different systems.122601:18:34,980 --> 01:18:39,480They Yeah, they've they'vereally been pushing podcasting.122701:18:39,480 --> 01:18:44,6402.0 and then index they've beenroiled that group. Yeah. Franco122801:18:44,640 --> 01:18:49,260Celerio from cosmetic ease, gaveus $100 Whoa, he says thank you122901:18:49,260 --> 01:18:52,770guys for revolutionising mediatime and time again. Thank you.123001:18:53,040 --> 01:18:59,730Thank you. Thank you Franco.Franco, such a good guy. Okay,123101:18:59,760 --> 01:19:06,150Kevin merit he sent us this isnot a monetary donation. He he123201:19:06,150 --> 01:19:10,260bought he bought for us for you.He won the bid for the podcast123301:19:10,260 --> 01:19:14,520index. Domain. Top Level Domainon handshake123401:19:15,480 --> 01:19:19,320is yeah, this is veryinteresting. Handshake. So it's123501:19:19,740 --> 01:19:25,140a blockchain based Domain NameSystem. So once you have it, and123601:19:25,140 --> 01:19:28,200you you still have to pay somekind of ongoing little fee into123701:19:28,200 --> 01:19:33,420the, into the, into the chain tomaintain it. It's like all other123801:19:33,420 --> 01:19:36,810alternative DNS systems, youeither are going to have to123901:19:37,290 --> 01:19:42,540modify your DNS settings, whichof course centralizes it, or124001:19:42,540 --> 01:19:46,470there's some kind of app thatyou'll have to run alongside of124101:19:46,470 --> 01:19:51,540it. And that community with thecommunity is doing is that it's124201:19:51,540 --> 01:19:55,320there. In essence, they aregiving away shit coins, and I124301:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,290don't mean to degrade whatthey're trying to do. But this124401:19:58,290 --> 01:20:02,010is it's tokenized so this islike It's almost like a stealth124501:20:02,010 --> 01:20:08,430ICO. So I've received all of theAdam curry and no agenda. Domain124601:20:08,430 --> 01:20:14,940names. Dan it's all tied intoERC. 20 blockchain so you know124701:20:14,940 --> 01:20:18,060somehow that's going to be valueI'm not I can just see it coming124801:20:18,060 --> 01:20:20,400down Broadway but they'rethey're out there spreading124901:20:21,030 --> 01:20:26,490these names which are, inessence alt coins masked. And125001:20:26,490 --> 01:20:29,040I'm not against it. I'm actuallyI've accepted the ones are about125101:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,460to accept the ones that we'vereceived. And that's the current125201:20:32,460 --> 01:20:35,370value. And I'm sure they'll goup in value and it's like, it's125301:20:35,370 --> 01:20:36,900kind of NF T in a way.125401:20:37,620 --> 01:20:41,730Okay. Yes. Well, he gave he gaveus he gifted us podcast index,125501:20:41,730 --> 01:20:44,550and I set up an account andaccepted the gift. Oh, great.125601:20:44,580 --> 01:20:47,460Luck, it. Thank you. They did itlooks like he did about 40 bucks125701:20:47,460 --> 01:20:48,600for it. So yeah, I'm125801:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,310telling you. It's like an NFT,bro. But it's done in a very125901:20:53,310 --> 01:20:56,580interesting way. But whenever Isay that people get no no man.126001:20:56,580 --> 01:20:59,130We really want to have analternative and DNS system.126101:20:59,130 --> 01:21:03,360Sure. Yeah, I want that to yeah,definitely make it easy for126201:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,710everybody and we're in business.126301:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,660And you see that with the doteath domains to do them. Well.126401:21:09,660 --> 01:21:16,530Thank you, Kevin. See, SammyMinkin as soon as $20.22 Thank126501:21:16,530 --> 01:21:20,250you Sammy. He says a Happy NewYear Keep up the great work sir126601:21:20,250 --> 01:21:29,160Sammy. Let's see $20 From this,these are all PayPal donations.126701:21:29,160 --> 01:21:35,310$20 from Christopher Valerio gotgherardo G Banda mass energy a126801:21:35,310 --> 01:21:37,290jay AR do126901:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,430Gerhardt guy yada yada doe Comeon.127001:21:41,460 --> 01:21:43,680Save cheese guy yada. No,127101:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,240I'm just I'm from Alabama.127201:21:46,110 --> 01:21:49,530I'm in Texas. Yeah, don't giveme127301:21:49,560 --> 01:21:57,990give us $20 Thank you Chris.Samuel Thorpe. Gave us $15 A127401:21:57,990 --> 01:22:02,310Samuel s Thorpe and no note onthat Oh wait, no no no, there's127501:22:02,310 --> 01:22:05,550no I take it back. He just saysa little value for value thank127601:22:05,550 --> 01:22:07,740you to Adam for pointing me inthe right direction to get127701:22:07,740 --> 01:22:17,400started making my podcast 2.0fr. Samuel Oh, oh, oh, eight by127801:22:17,400 --> 01:22:18,180the way. I've got a new127901:22:19,080 --> 01:22:24,030boost. I said Oh, yeah. Wait Isit this one don't128001:22:24,030 --> 01:22:31,380just found our boost? Yeah. Youmay have to jack up the volume.128101:22:31,380 --> 01:22:37,080I didn't I didn't normalize it.See Francesco, Francesco Massey128201:22:37,080 --> 01:22:46,080Merlino gave us $10 A new noteon that thank you Francesco. I128301:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,380guess Francesco is a boy andFrancesca as a girl. Is that128401:22:49,380 --> 01:22:49,950typically how it128501:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,280sounds about right? Okay. Allright.128601:22:53,970 --> 01:23:00,030Okay, for the the residentlinguists are fact checking us128701:23:00,030 --> 01:23:05,760in real right. That's right.Raymond land gave us $5 No note128801:23:05,760 --> 01:23:11,340thank you. Thank you. And in thebest name I've seen in a while.128901:23:11,700 --> 01:23:18,180J Robert Appleby Jr. against $5.Nice that sir.129001:23:18,480 --> 01:23:22,470Thank you very much. Hey pal.Hey pal. Donors got fun coupons129101:23:22,470 --> 01:23:23,280very nice.129201:23:23,820 --> 01:23:29,430Guest histograms here. Okay.1948 SATs from Brian of London.129301:23:29,550 --> 01:23:32,520Oh he says Happy New Years andhave a great show thank you for129401:23:32,520 --> 01:23:39,480everything so far is your cue toboost you know you want to know129501:23:39,510 --> 01:23:44,940that came from fountain Oh dripsgot 100,000 sets129601:23:44,970 --> 01:23:50,970Whoa, whoa, whoa. That'scurious.129701:23:52,170 --> 01:23:58,890That's Mexican radio that'sright. That came through curio129801:23:58,890 --> 01:24:05,970Casper and it says gopodcasting. Yeah boost129901:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,650we just got a real time boostergram from let's see who did130001:24:10,650 --> 01:24:14,100that. No, that was for noagenda.130101:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,470It's just firing off all overthe place.130201:24:17,850 --> 01:24:21,060Oh, there we go. Oh, the here'sa here's 10,000 SATs from Dred130301:24:21,060 --> 01:24:25,650Scott during the show during theshow just came in and he says go130401:24:25,650 --> 01:24:26,820podcasting booth130501:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,820See, this is why we got to dothis. Okay, Chad, Pharaoh gave130601:24:35,820 --> 01:24:39,630us 333 says through fountainneed you just as first? Okay.130701:24:39,750 --> 01:24:45,480Yeah. You were you were first inyour first of the Chad pharaohs.130801:24:45,630 --> 01:24:50,010Dred Scott. Again 50,000 sets130901:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,060totally crap. The Bruce Wayne ofpodcasting. 2.0 Ladies and131001:24:54,060 --> 01:24:57,030gentlemen, we have no idea wherehe gets his money from but we131101:24:57,030 --> 01:25:00,990think he's inherited it from thefrom him before Mr. Rockefeller131201:25:00,990 --> 01:25:01,680lineage131301:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,880yet he said the Ross Ross Rosschild probably131401:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,630Yeah, Warburg may dread Warburgthat sounds sounds pretty good.131501:25:10,140 --> 01:25:13,500Through pod friend 50,000 Sassysays go podcasting.131601:25:13,530 --> 01:25:15,840Yes, of course we go podcastingFor you131701:25:19,590 --> 01:25:23,220see, oh, this is that this isAlex gates. You can always tell131801:25:23,220 --> 01:25:28,200us Alex because he spells hisname Al EC S E Ks. Yeah, yeah,131901:25:28,260 --> 01:25:32,250Sir Alex gates. He's sent us5000 SATs through the breeze132001:25:32,250 --> 01:25:36,210app. He says try different fontto render unknown Unicode132101:25:36,210 --> 01:25:41,580characters. Okay, and did theycome through? Now he's telling132201:25:41,580 --> 01:25:44,910me to try a different Oh, in mybrowser. Yeah, cuz they always132301:25:44,910 --> 01:25:48,900get screwed up. Oh, okay. Goodidea. I will do that. Thank you,132401:25:48,900 --> 01:25:55,050sir. Alex. Oh, here we go. KarenKaren down. Give us 6969 cents132501:25:55,050 --> 01:25:56,640for this episode. 69132601:25:56,730 --> 01:25:59,760Oh, Episode donation. Nice one.132701:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,230That's to fountain he said I hadto laugh at once clip of his132801:26:04,230 --> 01:26:09,810shit Shambo NFT experiences.It's a wild world out there not132901:26:09,810 --> 01:26:12,540for the faint of heart. But itwas personally more of a fan of133001:26:12,540 --> 01:26:17,970NF T's with utility E as areplacement for Tick, tick tock133101:26:17,970 --> 01:26:22,590I guess or tick attack to TSseek a ticket? Yeah, for an133201:26:22,590 --> 01:26:26,460alternative to Patreon or maybeeven identity verification in133301:26:26,460 --> 01:26:29,670the far future. What are yourthoughts on Main coins as a low133401:26:29,670 --> 01:26:32,880pressure way of onboardingsomeone into crypto wallet133501:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,360world?133601:26:35,040 --> 01:26:43,350Huh, well where are thedevelopers? You know? Yeah, we133701:26:43,350 --> 01:26:46,320got hive working and you knowthat that was that was a labor133801:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,450of love and it's working. So133901:26:48,510 --> 01:26:55,560I mean there's a lot of NFTstuff on hive. Yeah. Yeah. I'm134001:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,800not opposed to NF T's. I justthink they need to be there.134101:26:59,010 --> 01:27:01,170They're so brand new thateverybody's just kind of go into134201:27:01,170 --> 01:27:03,480Surco and has no idea what to dowith134301:27:03,930 --> 01:27:07,500but also ultimately your yourNFT your ownership is housed on134401:27:07,500 --> 01:27:10,200somebody's server somewhere youknow, it's like, how long will134501:27:10,200 --> 01:27:10,650that stay134601:27:10,649 --> 01:27:17,609up? And see, Abel Kirby gave us5000 SATs the career caster and134701:27:17,609 --> 01:27:24,179he says boost for ag Happy NewYear. Thank you. Is ag Alex134801:27:24,179 --> 01:27:32,429gates used to great Oh, nice. Weget oh 5000 SATs from cotton134901:27:32,429 --> 01:27:40,229gin. He just says Happy NewYear. Here Brian mozzie send us135001:27:40,289 --> 01:27:46,40937,500 SATs nice and nice. Hesays pew Happy New Year boost135101:27:46,679 --> 01:27:50,309brings me to over 200,000 saysmarker for that elusive T135201:27:50,309 --> 01:27:51,119shirts.135301:27:51,779 --> 01:27:55,889Oh yes. Yes. Yeah, he's in line.135401:27:57,210 --> 01:28:02,760We need we need Ben we need yourwife to make us t shirts because135501:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,730She evidently can make them andwe have no ability to make T135601:28:05,730 --> 01:28:06,390shirts anymore.135701:28:06,450 --> 01:28:10,590Yeah, she has me setting up acraft room for so I'll really135801:28:11,340 --> 01:28:16,590she she's she's got all sorts ofequipment. A laser printer Now135901:28:16,590 --> 01:28:21,120that does T shirts and wow cooleffusion I don't know she's got136001:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,620all sorts of crazy stuff. Sheloves it136101:28:22,649 --> 01:28:24,209how many hours a day136201:28:29,760 --> 01:28:34,950she has the kids go sheliterally she had the kids in136301:28:34,950 --> 01:28:39,180there making their cousin cousincamp Christmas T shirts are136401:28:39,180 --> 01:28:39,900sweaty and136501:28:39,899 --> 01:28:46,919rags Mama's got his working inthe in the in the sweatshop nice136601:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,269mom said we could have suppertonight if we get 27136701:28:54,270 --> 01:28:57,990after after the app we are goingto buy a t shirt factory136801:28:57,990 --> 01:28:58,350actually136901:29:02,729 --> 01:29:06,239come to come to our CES calmYeah, we'll hook you up leave137001:29:06,239 --> 01:29:07,229and do your merch.137101:29:07,350 --> 01:29:12,450Yes to starting a trust toJPMorgan. Every every industry137201:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,280we got some wireless electricityfor you to like. Yeah, and we're137301:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,870a political party. Boom. Yeah.137401:29:21,960 --> 01:29:28,800Thank you. SC 22,000 Road ducks2220137501:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,110I have a new one for that137601:29:35,100 --> 01:29:36,510what Wait, did you get this?137701:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,309That's good. Gosh, I wish Iremember who sent it to us.137801:29:41,399 --> 01:29:44,879That's nice. I like it. This isthe duck it's a duck hunt boost.137901:29:44,879 --> 01:29:45,899It's your rubber ducks.138001:29:45,959 --> 01:29:47,399Oh it is it is138101:29:47,399 --> 01:29:55,979Davison again. You get that isbeautiful old school eight bit138201:29:55,979 --> 01:29:56,669days.138301:30:00,840 --> 01:30:10,530Peter says Get well soon tinyDave I will Peter I think I've138401:30:10,530 --> 01:30:16,980got my Christmas right here lateokay Lincoln sent us 18,000 SATs138501:30:16,980 --> 01:30:20,130through pod friend he says mymonthly donation oh nice not go138601:30:20,130 --> 01:30:22,590through oh he says my monthlydonation did not go through so138701:30:22,590 --> 01:30:25,980here's a boost to make up for itantenna pod is looking for help138801:30:25,980 --> 01:30:29,130to add streaming payments. So ifyou have experience with Java138901:30:29,130 --> 01:30:32,040and Android development hit himup go podcasting139001:30:32,100 --> 01:30:38,850nice nice oh let someone bewilling to help with that.139101:30:38,880 --> 01:30:39,540That's cool139201:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,130yeah, he posted that on Twitterand started this he was139301:30:44,130 --> 01:30:48,330hilarious huge threat was no itwas like hey, we're antenna pots139401:30:48,330 --> 01:30:51,780looking for help to implementthe value for value streaming139501:30:51,780 --> 01:30:55,800SATs or whatever. Like there waslike an immediate 20 people139601:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,620reply you're boiling the oceanyou're killing the earth139701:31:01,740 --> 01:31:07,410what they're because of Bitcoin.Yeah. Go talk to Apple. They're139801:31:07,410 --> 01:31:11,640the ones boiling the Earth.Yeah, most feed suckers feed139901:31:11,640 --> 01:31:12,300polars140001:31:12,870 --> 01:31:16,890jobs VRT gives us 4949 SATsthrough fountain he says just140101:31:16,890 --> 01:31:21,090sent their GG a matching boost.Oh, that was nice. Cool. Thank140201:31:21,090 --> 01:31:28,170you for that. Let's see 21 Oh,Rush boost. Okay. Oh, this is140301:31:28,170 --> 01:31:32,220Harry pilgrim couldn't resistthe trifecta of Dame Jennifer140401:31:32,310 --> 01:31:35,100JCD and the keeper reminding meto boost140501:31:35,130 --> 01:31:36,510Okay, let's see if I can dothat.140601:31:36,960 --> 01:31:41,490Here's your cue to boost youknow you want to boost boost140701:31:41,490 --> 01:31:50,970boost. Qualify Aaron Sal nomics,he sent 1000 SATs through Korea140801:31:50,970 --> 01:31:54,960cuz castering He just He saysjust because I can boost nice140901:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,550boost boosts back at yourbrother.141001:31:57,420 --> 01:32:04,650Boost 1111 says through breezeis anonymous and it just says JC141101:32:04,650 --> 01:32:08,760D boost plus a Fauci boost boostboost boost Boost141201:32:09,420 --> 01:32:12,660Your wish is my command. If youwant to get on this action141301:32:12,660 --> 01:32:16,410people get a modern podcast appa new podcast apps calm141401:32:17,819 --> 01:32:23,729Mike Kayden over at Red CircleRoad ducks 2222 curio caster141501:32:28,979 --> 01:32:39,509it says first red circle buscopodcast yeah thanks Mike sigh141601:32:39,509 --> 01:32:43,859Mac soon as 500 says throughfountain Oh, this is Paul141701:32:43,859 --> 01:32:47,429Saltzman Saltzman boosting forthe DeVore ag boost Pingel Oh,141801:32:47,429 --> 01:32:47,969geez,141901:32:48,240 --> 01:32:51,840we're gonna do that. Yeah, aspopular.142001:32:53,550 --> 01:32:58,800No, this is this is trulyanonymous. It just says BTC pay142101:32:59,130 --> 01:33:04,560on Umbral can do donations,thought offsets. Mm hmm. So what142201:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,150is it? What? What are theysaying?142301:33:07,740 --> 01:33:12,120That, well, there's a number ofapps that you can do. Donations,142401:33:12,180 --> 01:33:15,930that's the tally coin as well.That's also an Umbral where you142501:33:15,930 --> 01:33:19,530can just have a QR code foreither b2c or lightning.142601:33:20,490 --> 01:33:26,400Okay, I see as a receiver Yeah,I got I got Karen came back in142701:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,880with 11 123 says the curiocaster and he says, Oh, I got my142801:33:29,880 --> 01:33:37,560shout out name wrong. It's estoes puck. Spanish. I guess it is142901:33:37,560 --> 01:33:46,410sto is podcast. 2.0 Without theing is that this is E sto then143001:33:46,410 --> 01:33:53,070DS. Then podcasting? 2.0 Yeah,that's Spanish. Okay. Pronounce143101:33:53,070 --> 01:33:59,010that for me. SOS podcast. 2.0.Okay. What does it mean? Oh, it143201:33:59,010 --> 01:34:01,950means this is podcast. 2.00.143301:34:01,980 --> 01:34:02,700Okay. All right.143401:34:02,760 --> 01:34:07,590This concludes Lesson number oneSpanish for podcasters.143501:34:09,510 --> 01:34:13,770Karen speaks fluent Spanish aswell. And he does a he does a143601:34:13,770 --> 01:34:17,670podcast where he does bookreviews of like classic143701:34:17,670 --> 01:34:21,390literature but in Spanish. Nice.As a tea. I think it's a143801:34:21,390 --> 01:34:22,980teaching tool to help people143901:34:22,980 --> 01:34:25,140as if they're in Hong Kongwasn't impressive enough. Now.144001:34:25,140 --> 01:34:27,030He does that, too. Yeah,144101:34:27,029 --> 01:34:31,679I thought that no, wow. Oh, DaveJackson. School of podcasting144201:34:31,679 --> 01:34:32,999came in with a row of ducks.144301:34:33,240 --> 01:34:34,050Nice144401:34:40,350 --> 01:34:49,080he says ducks. It's what's fordinner. Cast Breeland says is144501:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,980that do I have the accent? Yeah,you Nailed it. Nailed it. Yeah,144601:34:52,980 --> 01:34:58,800just like I know that other thanthe one before. So what can barf144701:34:58,800 --> 01:35:03,390bag or whatever 3300 saysthrough fountain. He says144801:35:03,390 --> 01:35:10,320thanks. Well you're welcome CassThank you. 33,000 SATs through144901:35:10,320 --> 01:35:14,910fountain and this is from HarryDuran. And my goal is to let as145001:35:14,910 --> 01:35:17,700many people know about thebeauty of value for value so145101:35:17,700 --> 01:35:20,280grateful for what you're bothdoing super early days but the145201:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,700potential is there to hear yourand podcast junkies PPU145301:35:24,330 --> 01:35:24,900good guy.145401:35:26,370 --> 01:35:30,720Yeah. He just he's out therejust promoted.145501:35:30,750 --> 01:35:32,970What I'm so happy about thoughis you know, we just said to145601:35:32,970 --> 01:35:35,610everybody hey, it's nice. We'rereading your notes. But now your145701:35:35,610 --> 01:35:38,730numbers are low. And we're we'restarting to slip in the balance145801:35:38,730 --> 01:35:41,730sheet and everyone's correctedthat I love that. It's really145901:35:41,730 --> 01:35:44,580appreciated. He's big. These bigboost numbers are showing the146001:35:44,580 --> 01:35:45,090power.146101:35:46,260 --> 01:35:49,140Well, this is a huge row ofducks. I mean, this is like a146201:35:49,380 --> 01:35:54,030this qualifies as a line ofducks. I think 22 to 22 Wow,146301:35:54,030 --> 01:35:58,320from from Kai again from Kira,and through curio caster. He's a146401:35:58,320 --> 01:36:02,100high roller he says, I missed myregular boost last week. So146501:36:02,100 --> 01:36:05,580here's a make good, the more youknow, there's a podcast. Let's146601:36:05,580 --> 01:36:09,420see there's a podcaster from theDominican Republic called Robert146701:36:09,450 --> 01:36:14,400Sassoon, Suzuki, who has beendiving deep into podcasting. 2.0146801:36:14,700 --> 01:36:20,070even changed his podcast name toesto es podcasting 2.0 We got146901:36:20,069 --> 01:36:24,599about a quarter there you go.Okay. Now Now we understand147001:36:25,170 --> 01:36:28,920and he says translation equalsthis is podcasting. 2.0 see,147101:36:29,910 --> 01:36:32,520totally got a metaphor. He'sbeen providing lots of great147201:36:32,520 --> 01:36:36,300informational videos in Spanish.explaining everything from value147301:36:36,300 --> 01:36:41,010for value tutorials on Mastadonvideos on hive three speak and147401:36:41,010 --> 01:36:43,830self hosting on cast upon justwanted to give a shout out to147501:36:43,830 --> 01:36:46,710our Latino friends who knowwhat's up send me out with some147601:36:46,710 --> 01:36:47,610quacks please147701:36:47,639 --> 01:36:50,849Yes. What is boost in Spanish?They'll boost oh147801:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,290man I don't know how I'll bet sohow would you say boost147901:36:56,070 --> 01:36:59,640there's not a direct translationthat comes to my mind maybe push148001:36:59,670 --> 01:37:03,660like an impulse or don't bedonated we don't148101:37:05,010 --> 01:37:08,220know what do you what do youwhat is a booster rocket in148201:37:08,220 --> 01:37:13,530Spanish? You know? Like Elon hason his spaceships booster rocket148301:37:15,090 --> 01:37:16,890it's a quiet Quiet quiet148401:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,810Nicoleta go at death148501:37:24,540 --> 01:37:27,990winning cow when you call a bearto give us a good day. Yeah.148601:37:29,130 --> 01:37:31,410What's what is it in Dutch wasboost in Dutch.148701:37:32,010 --> 01:37:40,860And boost. Boost. Boost a boost?Okay, boost Knoxville boost.148801:37:42,780 --> 01:37:45,300Just did all like to the wholeconversation between two148901:37:45,300 --> 01:37:46,170podcasters149001:37:47,370 --> 01:37:51,360and that's where this way you'reprofessional. 28 Yeah, that was149101:37:51,360 --> 01:37:56,91020 to 20. From Karen Thank youKaren. donation to see 12,500149201:37:56,910 --> 01:38:00,030SATs from Brian mozzie nightagain. This is two weeks of SAS149301:38:00,030 --> 01:38:01,230and she says boost149401:38:01,229 --> 01:38:03,149yo Gotcha. Boost.149501:38:04,920 --> 01:38:10,8304949 cents from John's BRT. Hesays excellent interview from149601:38:10,830 --> 01:38:14,070the pod guru on Linux onPlayPlace. Pod sage149701:38:14,099 --> 01:38:16,259pod sage not get it right.149801:38:17,640 --> 01:38:25,350But I will accept these thesesays thank you John's BRT out149901:38:25,350 --> 01:38:30,87025,000 SATs from cauldron. I'dseen this name before KU l dri n150001:38:31,380 --> 01:38:34,350through fountains 25,000 sayshe's his pod father in pod150101:38:34,350 --> 01:38:37,980stage. Thank you for podcastingin the evolution of 2.0 I've150201:38:37,980 --> 01:38:43,230been podcasting since in K v.2016. What is that? In KV?150301:38:47,700 --> 01:38:49,650Freight when I first heard thatthought is New King James150401:38:49,650 --> 01:38:54,870Version. I've been podcastingsince NKV 2016 and rescued150501:38:54,870 --> 01:38:58,380hundreds of people from abuse inthis post 50 shades era with my150601:38:58,380 --> 01:39:02,370podcast, Coltrane's crypt ofBDSM one on one talk.150701:39:02,609 --> 01:39:06,539Yay. Now we're talking Yeah,Bruce, this post.150801:39:06,930 --> 01:39:10,590If this. If this never wouldhave been invented. My message150901:39:10,590 --> 01:39:14,100of safe, sane, consensual andinformed adult relationships151001:39:14,190 --> 01:39:17,460wouldn't have reached so many.Thank you. Boost.151101:39:17,490 --> 01:39:21,120Yeah, an excellent resource ofall communities.151201:39:21,569 --> 01:39:31,739All communities. See 502,371Dred Scott, holy151301:39:31,740 --> 01:39:39,270crap. He gets. Shot Carla 20blades. Okay, he needs his own151401:39:39,270 --> 01:39:39,960jingle now.151501:39:40,470 --> 01:39:42,330Okay, we have to have aleaderboard. Now. This is151601:39:42,330 --> 01:39:49,140getting ridiculous. Drib okay.5023 77 is messages topping151701:39:49,140 --> 01:39:53,340aerostatic his record boost byone sad Happy New Year Ago151801:39:53,340 --> 01:39:54,600podcasting jam.151901:39:54,600 --> 01:40:00,000Thank you dread town, man. Youmight as well start a host152001:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,760company with this level ofsupport dread joining on the152101:40:05,850 --> 01:40:09,960join one Yeah. Well, he's gotthe, you know, he's got the152201:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,830chapter service is doing, hemust be doing eight or nine152301:40:13,830 --> 01:40:17,160different podcasts. He's doingchapters for him and he's just152401:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,490taking a split from the valuefrom the value block and152501:40:20,490 --> 01:40:22,470apparently sending it right backto us.152601:40:23,520 --> 01:40:29,010I'm going to begin to refer tohim as high roller drips got or152701:40:29,010 --> 01:40:30,780independently wealthy drips got152801:40:31,350 --> 01:40:36,420nice. The independently wealthyDred Scott the Bruce Wayne of152901:40:36,420 --> 01:40:39,930podcast is still kind of worksfor me.153001:40:40,350 --> 01:40:42,750That's that's a better one.Let's do Bruce Wayne of podcast,153101:40:43,650 --> 01:40:49,800comic strip blogger 10,033 sets.He says greetings to Dave Jones,153201:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,380and they see feel free to listento our podcast about artificial153301:40:52,380 --> 01:40:56,370intelligence entitled AIcooking. Read by former BBC153401:40:56,370 --> 01:41:00,810actor Gregory William ForsytheForeman from Kent UK and to153501:41:00,810 --> 01:41:05,640glance at cartoons doodle by meat Comic Strip blog.com Yo, yo,153601:41:06,630 --> 01:41:08,850that was a better note. Thankyou CSB. I153701:41:08,850 --> 01:41:11,910know I told him to integrate itall into one yeah, yes. doing153801:41:11,910 --> 01:41:13,080much better on that. Thank you.153901:41:15,060 --> 01:41:18,210And see we got no we got twomore. We got Nomad Joe gave us154001:41:18,210 --> 01:41:21,6301000 SATs through fountain hesays for a great new year in154101:41:21,630 --> 01:41:28,230podcasting. Yeah, thank you hopeit will be. And oh, Mike Newman,154201:41:28,920 --> 01:41:34,050through breeze says a monthlyboost I hear fourteens are big154301:41:34,050 --> 01:41:38,910this week. So I'm going all inwith him and he gave us 141414154401:41:38,970 --> 01:41:42,810Whoa. Nice 41,414 sets. This154501:41:42,810 --> 01:41:47,700is nice. Thank you. Ah, this isgood. We should we should skip a154601:41:47,700 --> 01:41:53,940show more often. Just a personwho into154701:41:55,110 --> 01:42:01,170bi weekly donation. See PayPal.Oh, wait. Chad Pharaoh. I left154801:42:01,170 --> 01:42:03,450out of PayPal. I'm sorry. Chad.Pharaoh started a new154901:42:03,450 --> 01:42:07,860subscription for $20.22.Beautiful, yeah, somebody else155001:42:07,860 --> 01:42:10,830dropped off at they canceledtheir 20. 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Go to podcast index.org.Scroll down the bottom there's a157201:43:51,060 --> 01:43:55,470Donate button for your fee outfun coupons that we gladly157301:43:55,470 --> 01:43:58,170accept through PayPal, weconverted into bitcoin157401:43:58,170 --> 01:44:01,260eventually. Anyway, put it onthe node for liquidity for the157501:44:01,260 --> 01:44:03,540hundreds of channels we haveopened. We have our own157601:44:03,540 --> 01:44:06,990microcosm, check that out and gopodcasting.org If you want to be157701:44:06,990 --> 01:44:11,100blown away. And and of course,thanks everybody who's come to157801:44:11,100 --> 01:44:14,700us through a modern podcast appat new podcast. app.com where157901:44:14,700 --> 01:44:17,370podcasts index.org/apps158001:44:18,300 --> 01:44:20,400And we need we neededleaderboard for real because we158101:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,810need to enshrine things like airAesthetica and well, Rep.158201:44:24,810 --> 01:44:26,760Scott's epic boost battle.158301:44:26,790 --> 01:44:28,170We have it in the database.158401:44:28,710 --> 01:44:30,990Yeah, yeah, I can. I can pump itout.158501:44:31,649 --> 01:44:35,729Hey, Dave, pump it out, baby.Pump.158601:44:35,729 --> 01:44:36,959That's what I do. Yeah,158701:44:36,960 --> 01:44:41,250that's right. That is what youdo. Oberto and Ben, gentlemen,158801:44:41,250 --> 01:44:43,980is some stuff that we missedthat you'd like to talk about,158901:44:43,980 --> 01:44:48,180is there anything we can do? Canwe change something can we just159001:44:48,180 --> 01:44:50,310to wash your car? I think159101:44:51,479 --> 01:44:55,679hey, let's let's do the Texasmeet up one of these days, not159201:44:55,679 --> 01:44:56,639too far. From here. I159301:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,250want to do it when we can getDave out here which is after159401:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,690that To the shitty tax season orif I can find him a better job159501:45:03,690 --> 01:45:07,590before then. Well, alwayslooking for a few159601:45:07,590 --> 01:45:09,660more days a boost like you guyshave today.159701:45:12,210 --> 01:45:13,170We're on our way.159801:45:13,530 --> 01:45:16,470Podcast Movement is in Dallas,we need to do something. Oh159901:45:16,470 --> 01:45:17,970crap. What is that?160001:45:18,029 --> 01:45:21,869When is that August? August.That's too long. Too far away.160101:45:21,899 --> 01:45:23,519We can't wait. And marches160201:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,130before tax deadline. So I don'tthink we'll see you at160301:45:26,130 --> 01:45:27,840evolutions in LA. I imagine.160401:45:28,410 --> 01:45:29,940Man I don't want to go to LA160501:45:33,120 --> 01:45:36,540May or June. That'd be fun.Yeah, yeah, that's good. That160601:45:36,540 --> 01:45:39,780means it's close enough to drag.I can drive that. I don't know.160701:45:39,780 --> 01:45:44,250No, no. What will the donationwill appear that will equally160801:45:44,250 --> 01:45:44,670match?160901:45:45,270 --> 01:45:47,550Well, Dave, you're gonna you'regonna stay with me right, aren't161001:45:47,550 --> 01:45:51,060you Melissa? Gonna come staywith us. Sure. We'll have some161101:45:51,060 --> 01:45:52,170hill country fun brother.161201:45:52,349 --> 01:45:54,899Oh, you're so mad. And there's alot of people that would come in161301:45:54,899 --> 01:45:55,229for them.161401:45:55,230 --> 01:45:58,170I haven't seen you and wantingto see last year. Okay. That's161501:45:58,170 --> 01:46:00,480right. Last year, but yeah,yeah.161601:46:00,809 --> 01:46:04,379And later, I'll cater barbecue.There's a good guy there in161701:46:04,379 --> 01:46:06,989Fredericksburg. I know that'lldo some barbecue catered. We'll161801:46:06,989 --> 01:46:08,639make this a fun meetup if y'allwant.161901:46:08,669 --> 01:46:11,009Can we all go to the craft roomand make T shirts afterwards?162001:46:12,390 --> 01:46:17,430At the sweatshop. I want to domine with glitter.162101:46:17,460 --> 01:46:21,540No, no. would kill me. Bins likebins like I've got a guy who162201:46:21,540 --> 01:46:25,050does barbecue. What he reallymeans is this kid. He's cracking162301:46:25,050 --> 01:46:25,410the whip.162401:46:26,220 --> 01:46:29,400This is a guy he's got 1000gallon propane tank, he162501:46:29,400 --> 01:46:33,810converted teas. Yeah, so that'slike, I don't know 60 briskets162601:46:33,810 --> 01:46:34,680or something he can do162701:46:37,140 --> 01:46:40,530like three four cows all atonce. That's fantastic. But162801:46:40,529 --> 01:46:44,549I did give him a bunch of woodoff our place here and he owes162901:46:44,549 --> 01:46:46,499me so I'm sure he'll be happy todo so.163001:46:47,069 --> 01:46:50,069I'll bear to him. Ben are a cofounders of rss.com where you163101:46:50,069 --> 01:46:54,479can sign up without a creditcard and take advantage of their163201:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,479incredible multilingualknowledge base I'm doing the163301:46:57,479 --> 01:47:03,059marketing here for you as wellas several podcasting 2.0 tags163401:47:03,059 --> 01:47:06,299but you know that you're in goodsafe hands with the Boys and163501:47:06,299 --> 01:47:08,609Girls over@rss.com163601:47:09,179 --> 01:47:13,019And you could do one episode forfree Yeah, just make it and Dave163701:47:13,019 --> 01:47:14,489will remove it for theiralgorithm163801:47:16,229 --> 01:47:19,919take you right out of the index.Guys thank you so much for your163901:47:20,279 --> 01:47:23,999your unwavering support reallyreally appreciate you and I'm164001:47:23,999 --> 01:47:28,049really proud of what you'redoing you know just identifying164101:47:28,049 --> 01:47:31,379markets getting in you see yourexpansion you know the whole164201:47:31,409 --> 01:47:35,009buying an app and what else wegonna buy a t shirt T Shirt164301:47:35,009 --> 01:47:35,819Company right yeah,164401:47:35,850 --> 01:47:37,470yeah.164501:47:37,710 --> 01:47:39,660I love those aspirations. Ireally164601:47:39,690 --> 01:47:41,730wait near land wait farms.164701:47:43,380 --> 01:47:47,160Wind farms do all right Daveanything for you164801:47:47,850 --> 01:47:50,850know man, send back the word andgetting in the ground. Oh,164901:47:50,939 --> 01:47:53,999okay. Well, we will be back withanother board meeting next week165001:47:53,999 --> 01:47:59,249podcasting 2.0 check everythingout the podcast index.org165101:47:59,249 --> 01:48:01,739podcast index dot social willtalk to you next week.165201:48:16,830 --> 01:48:21,420You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast165301:48:21,420 --> 01:48:23,970index.org. For more information