Episode 143: In the SCIF

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,790Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0for August 4 2023, episode 143200:00:08,940 --> 00:00:13,410Well hello everybody we are backafter one week hiatus. This is300:00:13,410 --> 00:00:19,350podcasting. 2.0 the industryspots to get your eyes poked out400:00:19,350 --> 00:00:22,110with scissors. Yes, we're theonly boardroom that splits his500:00:22,110 --> 00:00:27,090time and value. All the newsabout podcasting index.org Of600:00:27,090 --> 00:00:30,120course everything about thepodcast namespace and everything700:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,480happening in podcast index dotsocial. I'm Adam curry here in800:00:33,480 --> 00:00:35,880the heart of the Texas HillCountry and in Alabama. He's900:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,730back from the redwoods ofCalifornia rested ready to rock1000:00:38,730 --> 00:00:41,670a knee deep in ribs. Say helloto my friend on the other end1100:00:41,670 --> 00:00:49,350ladies and gentlemen, Mr. DeJones. What are you doing Bala?1200:00:50,220 --> 00:00:51,630Unknown: Oh, careful InstagramBolin.1300:00:51,660 --> 00:00:53,850Adam Curry: Okay, if you can'tsay stuff like that, because1400:00:53,850 --> 00:00:56,670then the AI will block us fromhaving ads.1500:00:57,090 --> 00:00:58,410Unknown: Oh, the racist AI.1600:00:59,790 --> 00:01:02,460Adam Curry: Podcasting whilebeing black I think is is now1700:01:02,460 --> 00:01:05,730something that gets get your Dplatformed.1800:01:06,810 --> 00:01:09,060Dave Jones: Automatically withno human intervention, no1900:01:09,060 --> 00:01:12,450Adam Curry: human interventionwhatsoever. Hey, Dave, how was2000:01:12,450 --> 00:01:13,260your vacation man?2100:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,440Dave Jones: It was fantastic. Itit did nothing to calm the2200:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,560Luddite ism within me. It justmade it so much worse.2300:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,790Adam Curry: So. So Dave's onvacation, he's texting me from2400:01:26,790 --> 00:01:30,330the airport, he's texting meupdates. He's texting. And he2500:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,230he's literally in the Redwoodsof California sending me2600:01:34,230 --> 00:01:37,320pictures. I'm like, Come on,man. Chill, I broke it. Take2700:01:37,320 --> 00:01:40,290yourself some rest. And then itdid kind of stop. But then you2800:01:40,290 --> 00:01:44,490know, you sent me an article andyou never really kind of got off2900:01:44,490 --> 00:01:45,390the system. Did you?3000:01:47,550 --> 00:01:51,660Dave Jones: I can't fullydisconnect from the from3100:01:51,660 --> 00:01:57,270podcasting. 2.0 I feel likethere's stuff going on. I need3200:01:57,270 --> 00:02:00,270to know I know what's going on.And, and I don't want to come3300:02:00,270 --> 00:02:03,660back to I don't want to comeback to a mailbox of you know,3400:02:03,690 --> 00:02:10,650of, of 300 people say in a monthmy stuff broke in? Oh, no.3500:02:11,009 --> 00:02:12,329Adam Curry: Well, I understand3600:02:12,330 --> 00:02:14,130Unknown: that. I can't unplugfully.3700:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,750Adam Curry: Are you still usingthe light phone? Or have you3800:02:15,750 --> 00:02:17,460given up on it? Well,3900:02:17,490 --> 00:02:21,270Dave Jones: no, I used have wasusing it. But on the trip. I'm4000:02:21,270 --> 00:02:26,250like, I gotta have access to afull mobile. Yeah, because we're4100:02:26,250 --> 00:02:27,750getting into Maps, all thatstuff.4200:02:27,780 --> 00:02:31,440Adam Curry: Yeah, when we go towe're going to Europe next next4300:02:31,440 --> 00:02:37,920Friday apps actually, for almosttwo weeks. And yeah, I4400:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,520definitely have to I definitelyhave to have the full mobile4500:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,410experience for all the stuffwe'll be doing.4600:02:43,799 --> 00:02:46,499Dave Jones: But I find you justswitch the switch the SIM and4700:02:46,499 --> 00:02:46,709yes.4800:02:47,010 --> 00:02:49,710Adam Curry: Oh yeah, no, I usethe light phone exclusively4900:02:49,710 --> 00:02:55,710anytime. Did I tell you whathappened with the car? No. Oh5000:02:55,710 --> 00:02:58,200man. So you know so I've beenusing the light phone wherever I5100:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,430go. And we went to see SuzanneSanto which she did it before.5200:03:02,430 --> 00:03:05,490This is when my my daughter washere to a couple of weeks back5300:03:05,490 --> 00:03:08,760and it was in Driftwood about anhour and 15 minutes from our5400:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,240house and was going to be adinner as well. It kind of5500:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,920turned out to be a gig thatlooked a bit like we were5600:03:13,920 --> 00:03:18,540crashing some old folks homecafeteria5700:03:20,310 --> 00:03:21,090Dave Jones: shuffleboard5800:03:21,420 --> 00:03:23,520Adam Curry: we were pretty muchthe hippest people in the room.5900:03:23,850 --> 00:03:26,400But it was fun you know and wewent there to support Suzanne6000:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,420and we know her husband too andthen we go to leave and it's 1106100:03:30,420 --> 00:03:35,550degrees that particular day andso now it's it's 8pm 830 we get6200:03:35,550 --> 00:03:40,590to the car car won't start toyeah um this this is a fairly6300:03:40,590 --> 00:03:44,310new car to go yeah and and ofcourse what that means is6400:03:44,460 --> 00:03:47,100everything lights up thedashboard lights every light on6500:03:47,100 --> 00:03:52,860the dashboard lights up but itwon't start so I think I know6600:03:52,860 --> 00:03:56,580why that happened but it allturned out okay but then you6700:03:56,580 --> 00:04:00,330press this little button youknow you got a button that that6800:04:00,330 --> 00:04:04,170will you know put you in contactwith the with the company and6900:04:04,170 --> 00:04:05,970then they're supposed to comeand save you that whole7000:04:05,970 --> 00:04:11,910experience was horrible. Ireally Hello, this is Helga from7100:04:11,910 --> 00:04:14,850Mercedes, we have a my buck onthe way for you. Everything is7200:04:14,850 --> 00:04:17,580going to be fine. Your dog isfed. We will begin picking you7300:04:17,580 --> 00:04:21,540up very shortly. It's all goingto be fine. Just a curry. No,7400:04:21,540 --> 00:04:25,620no, it's like Hey, it's Justinhere. How you doing? What's your7500:04:25,620 --> 00:04:30,720phone number? Anyway, so Justinhad to send me to get my7600:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,860location. Biggest part of theirprocess. He had to send me a7700:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,470link to my phone through textmessage.7800:04:37,890 --> 00:04:43,980Dave Jones: Oh, oh, you're onthe line. This is a curse. Yes.7900:04:43,980 --> 00:04:44,460Horrible.8000:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,110Adam Curry: So yeah, so that Icertainly received it but I8100:04:49,110 --> 00:04:52,230could not tap on it and open abrowser or anything like that.8200:04:52,740 --> 00:04:55,650Dave Jones: You're like, Hey,Justin, I got your I got your8300:04:55,650 --> 00:05:00,000Adam Curry: link Justin. So fromI decided that from now on when8400:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,560I'm in the car I will take thethe toilet scroll or just turn8500:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,950it off and just put it in, youknow, in the glove box. So if I8600:05:07,950 --> 00:05:11,820happen to need it, then I canget it. And I'm pretty, pretty8700:05:11,820 --> 00:05:12,750disciplined that way8800:05:14,580 --> 00:05:18,720Dave Jones: it has made it'smade my smart when I have to8900:05:18,720 --> 00:05:24,600switch back to the fourthsmartphone. I'm more disciplined9000:05:24,630 --> 00:05:30,750now. I think, and I may end upin this. I may end up good doing9100:05:30,750 --> 00:05:34,650that gab phone. I may give thata shot the gab phone I'm not9200:05:34,650 --> 00:05:37,590familiar with this the gab foeyou know the gap? Oh, no, the9300:05:37,590 --> 00:05:41,910gap phone does that for kids. Ithink it's marketed for kids,9400:05:41,910 --> 00:05:45,300but it's basically just asmartphone that doesn't do any9500:05:45,300 --> 00:05:45,900apps.9600:05:46,770 --> 00:05:50,130Adam Curry: Cam Yeah, it'smarketed for kids. Yeah. Yeah,9700:05:50,130 --> 00:05:51,720give that a shot. It has nointernet.9800:05:52,350 --> 00:05:56,010Dave Jones: Yeah. But it's gotlike but it's got like, you9900:05:56,010 --> 00:05:56,310know,10000:05:56,340 --> 00:05:59,640Unknown: it has maps and stuff.It's got it's got is10100:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,910Dave Jones: better able tohandle the stuff like getting a10200:06:02,910 --> 00:06:04,830link from from dry.10300:06:04,890 --> 00:06:07,890Adam Curry: I like this becauseI can track you and make sure10400:06:07,890 --> 00:06:10,350you're okay. I like this. You'llbe my child.10500:06:10,380 --> 00:06:12,720Unknown: I can track you on thegab phone. They get up. Are you10600:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,480going to put parental controlson? Better believe it?10700:06:17,220 --> 00:06:19,200Dave Jones: I'm going to beenemies. Toilet scroll. We're10800:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,310applying a mastodon from theSequoia National Forest. There10900:06:23,310 --> 00:06:25,260you go. Enough, enough. Yeah.11000:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,390Adam Curry: I love my graphic.You know, if you couldn't use11100:06:27,390 --> 00:06:30,030graphene OS and make it minimal,you can do that.11200:06:30,510 --> 00:06:32,520Dave Jones: Let me let me tellyou what did happen though. And11300:06:32,520 --> 00:06:41,040this is this is a thing that Idon't I don't understand. As11400:06:41,040 --> 00:06:50,820soon as I got to California, sowe landed in Fresno. Let's see11500:06:50,820 --> 00:06:56,850on the 24th and we landed theAmerican Airlines travel11600:06:56,850 --> 00:06:57,480experience.11700:06:57,510 --> 00:06:59,070Unknown: Yes. subpar11800:06:59,550 --> 00:07:03,480Dave Jones: it is. In thetoilet. It is the most horrible11900:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,050thing ever. I will I will dothem all I will do the best I12000:07:07,050 --> 00:07:11,820can never to fly that airlineagain. Yeah, but so but that's12100:07:11,850 --> 00:07:15,120their they've got a lock onFresno for some reason. Yeah. So12200:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,860we got in there to Fresno. AndI'm telling you within 1012300:07:19,860 --> 00:07:23,790minutes of landing. I startedgetting spam calls from12400:07:23,790 --> 00:07:29,640California. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.How is that possible? How do12500:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,930they know what carrier12600:07:30,930 --> 00:07:34,110Adam Curry: are you using?Verizon. There you go. are12700:07:34,110 --> 00:07:34,980selling you crap?12800:07:36,090 --> 00:07:37,320Dave Jones: Dude, it was12900:07:37,950 --> 00:07:43,140Adam Curry: dude. Yeah. That'shorrible. I mean, I'm getting a13000:07:43,140 --> 00:07:49,560slew of pig butchers these days.Yeah, you know, the hay. was13100:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,760great seeing the other day or,Hey, is this Debbie's number or?13200:07:55,110 --> 00:07:56,820Dave Jones: The tennis coach?Yeah,13300:07:56,970 --> 00:07:59,820Unknown: exactly. The tenniscoach. Yeah.13400:08:01,380 --> 00:08:06,210Dave Jones: Yeah, whatever datasomebody some scammer, somewhere13500:08:06,210 --> 00:08:13,350has access to a firehose oflike, connection. Yeah. Yeah. It13600:08:13,350 --> 00:08:14,850is. it quick.13700:08:15,330 --> 00:08:18,540Adam Curry: I wonder. I mean, Iwonder it could be. It could be13800:08:18,540 --> 00:08:21,360a couple of things. It could belike a stingray someone set up13900:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,420at the airport, you know. Sobasically a man in the middle14000:08:24,420 --> 00:08:26,880you connect and then it connectsyou. I mean, it could be all14100:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,670kinds of who knows? Maybe theairport has a deal. Maybe14200:08:29,670 --> 00:08:31,050American Airlines did it.14300:08:32,070 --> 00:08:34,560Dave Jones: That would not beyou know what? That wouldn't be14400:08:34,560 --> 00:08:39,270a surprise because you got youreally, you're very prone to at14500:08:39,270 --> 00:08:44,490least I am very prone to signingup for the flight status text14600:08:44,490 --> 00:08:47,490messages. You know, you want toget these. Oh, your seat changed14700:08:47,490 --> 00:08:49,140your, your boarding time.14800:08:49,140 --> 00:08:53,520Adam Curry: Yeah. Are you usingthe American Airlines app.14900:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,100Dave Jones: I'm now using theapp. I just signed up for the15000:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,370text message alerts whenever Iget a seat change or gate change15100:08:59,370 --> 00:08:59,790or something.15200:09:00,300 --> 00:09:03,360Adam Curry: It's horrible. I useit every everything is15300:09:03,570 --> 00:09:06,720disgusting. Everything just15400:09:07,890 --> 00:09:11,010Dave Jones: is but then when youget out in the middle of, of15500:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,380Sequoia and amongst the15600:09:14,069 --> 00:09:16,529Unknown: we just have noreception. None at all.15700:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,830Dave Jones: It's wonderful. It'sone.15800:09:20,730 --> 00:09:22,350Adam Curry: Well, the funnything happened while you were15900:09:22,590 --> 00:09:24,210away. Yeah. Did16000:09:24,210 --> 00:09:27,000Dave Jones: you do any June doanything new? Yeah, I16100:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,950Adam Curry: did this littlething called Bucha. Grand Ball.16200:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,790Dave Jones: Oh, I hadn't heardabout this. Yes. Yes. Explain.16300:09:32,910 --> 00:09:35,670Explain it to me. This was afantastic show.16400:09:36,210 --> 00:09:41,940Adam Curry: Thank you. I'm soproud of all of us. And I have16500:09:41,970 --> 00:09:45,930comments. Of course I have somenotes on stuff that went wrong.16600:09:46,260 --> 00:09:49,440But I am just so proud ofbecause this was everything.16700:09:49,710 --> 00:09:54,240This was everything. Baltic allthe things we've done in the16800:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,900past three years. All of it inthe US through the whole thing,16900:09:58,020 --> 00:10:01,140including IPFS podcast thingwhich we'll talk about as well.17000:10:01,500 --> 00:10:04,140Dave Jones: When I found out youwere doing that's when I started17100:10:04,140 --> 00:10:08,430texting you, I'm like you weredoing FCFS You've completely17200:10:08,430 --> 00:10:09,120lost your mind.17300:10:09,150 --> 00:10:11,700Adam Curry: I figured, might aswell get the biggest scissors we17400:10:11,700 --> 00:10:17,550got and just run like crazy.Yes. Now. So I did it lit, so17500:10:17,610 --> 00:10:21,510why not right. And actually,Steven, Steven B was so kind, he17600:10:21,510 --> 00:10:26,730did a full on screen cast withme, you know, a couple days17700:10:26,730 --> 00:10:30,300before. So I could reallyunderstand how to use this how17800:10:30,300 --> 00:10:34,320to use the Split kit, because Iwas very confused about it. And17900:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,270really, it's interesting. It'sone of those things. And that's18000:10:36,300 --> 00:10:38,820my downfall, because I'm usuallyon a lot of this stuff. So18100:10:38,820 --> 00:10:42,270early, you get used to doingsomething when you get used to18200:10:42,270 --> 00:10:45,990how the flow worked at when itwas all baked into sovereign18300:10:45,990 --> 00:10:48,930feeds, and then it gets gotpulled out appropriately. So18400:10:49,530 --> 00:10:53,010it's the split kit, and I'm justexpecting it to work in a18500:10:53,010 --> 00:10:56,730similar way. And I was overoverthinking at all. And as much18600:10:56,730 --> 00:10:59,400simpler. I'm like, man, no oneunderstand no one will18700:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,010understand how this interfaceworks. But actually, I was just18800:11:02,010 --> 00:11:04,770overthinking how it was supposedto work with. It's so incredibly18900:11:04,770 --> 00:11:08,880simple. So19000:11:09,570 --> 00:11:13,080Dave Jones: you sound it. Let meCan I give you an my initial19100:11:13,080 --> 00:11:13,920feedback on19200:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,810Adam Curry: a Yelp review? Thefour out of five stars19300:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,880Unknown: Oh, four out of five.I'll take it. Thank you.19400:11:23,100 --> 00:11:29,190Dave Jones: So I listened toabout half of the show before we19500:11:29,190 --> 00:11:32,100had to go. So and then I wentback and I listened to the whole19600:11:32,100 --> 00:11:35,610thing on after it was posted onthe face about half of the live19700:11:35,610 --> 00:11:36,060show. How were19800:11:36,060 --> 00:11:38,790Adam Curry: you listening? We'relistening on on air pods or19900:11:38,820 --> 00:11:40,320earbuds or what are youlistening on?20000:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,830Dave Jones: air pods? Yeah.Okay. On the air air pods on20100:11:43,980 --> 00:11:49,830through. So I was listening.Okay. air pods through the link20200:11:49,860 --> 00:11:55,890that you sent for the lightning?Like they had the page on it20300:11:55,890 --> 00:11:58,500that? Yeah, I don't know whatthis thing is the split the20400:11:58,500 --> 00:12:02,640split kid page. Yes. Oh, yeah.So I was listening on Safari on20500:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,220the split kit page through airpods. Good. That's20600:12:05,220 --> 00:12:07,410Adam Curry: a very that's a verydecent way to do it. I prefer20700:12:07,410 --> 00:12:09,660the app of course, but thatcertainly works.20800:12:10,290 --> 00:12:14,070Dave Jones: So there's okay,this review is going to be split20900:12:14,070 --> 00:12:15,210into two different parts.21000:12:16,110 --> 00:12:20,100Adam Curry: I'm screwed. BrunoBruno, what did you think of his21100:12:20,100 --> 00:12:20,820dance?21200:12:21,209 --> 00:12:24,239Dave Jones: The the, you know,like you have an Amazon review21300:12:24,239 --> 00:12:26,309where they're supposed to bereviewing the product. Yeah, all21400:12:26,309 --> 00:12:29,549they do is bitch about theshipping. Okay, so I for this is21500:12:29,549 --> 00:12:32,789there's going to be a two parttwo part. Yes. Okay. There's21600:12:32,789 --> 00:12:36,959gonna be the delivery of theshow and the show itself. So the21700:12:36,959 --> 00:12:39,989delivery of the show throughSafari through the split kit21800:12:39,989 --> 00:12:46,739page. That that failedfrequently. Interim, but what21900:12:46,739 --> 00:12:54,899was in the way that it alwaysfailed was it would win if I had22000:12:54,899 --> 00:13:01,169if if I had to do anything elseon the phone. It would kill the22100:13:01,169 --> 00:13:04,799audio and I had to get a fullyblame Safari for this. I think22200:13:04,799 --> 00:13:07,649this is 100 100%22300:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,890Adam Curry: because it would goto the background then it stops.22400:13:12,270 --> 00:13:15,030Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. Okay. Andthen when you try to get back in22500:13:15,030 --> 00:13:20,580it, it loses its mind so youhave to refresh the page. Which22600:13:20,730 --> 00:13:25,770is in Yes, set you back to zero.You have to log back into lb22700:13:27,690 --> 00:13:31,080it's a it's a 30 to 45 secondprocess you22800:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,720Adam Curry: didn't have any ofthe of the of these modern apps22900:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,760we've worked so hard on loadedon your phone.23000:13:36,090 --> 00:13:37,980Dave Jones: I don't know whatwhat are these things? I don't23100:13:37,980 --> 00:13:42,120know what's, what's yourspeaker? Through that, and23200:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,050because I thought okay, I wantto see the album art changed23300:13:46,050 --> 00:13:50,040with the WebSocket and all this.I want, I want that. And I'm23400:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,330thinking those are my only twooptions for that. Or the23500:13:54,330 --> 00:13:58,170lightning persuaded me thissplit kit page or curio caster.23600:13:58,200 --> 00:13:58,710So this was23700:13:58,710 --> 00:14:01,680Adam Curry: live you werelistening live. Yes, yes. Oh,23800:14:01,680 --> 00:14:02,730okay. Oh, cool23900:14:02,790 --> 00:14:09,600Dave Jones: in the Airbnb at atSequoia. So I'm like my only two24000:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,070options here are the split kitpay HTML page, or a curio cast24100:14:14,070 --> 00:14:17,340are both are web based. Sounlike Well, that's probably24200:14:17,340 --> 00:14:20,700about is roughly equivalentabout the same either way. And24300:14:20,700 --> 00:14:23,160they're both Steven B products.So Mike is probably going to be24400:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,920about the same code under theunder the hood. So I'm like,24500:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,710Okay, well, I'll just do thesplit kit page. And I think24600:14:28,710 --> 00:14:31,650Safari just asked the wholething up. I just don't think24700:14:31,650 --> 00:14:32,760it's a stable platform.24800:14:33,270 --> 00:14:35,160Adam Curry: I agree. I agree.Okay, so24900:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,760Dave Jones: that's the shippingreview. The product review is,25000:14:39,690 --> 00:14:47,400like I said, four out of fivestars. And I think the only the25100:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,690only it's not really it's notreally a danger. It's just that25200:14:52,170 --> 00:14:56,130you were I could tell that youhad so much going on. You were25300:14:56,130 --> 00:14:56,790distracted.25400:14:57,390 --> 00:15:00,480Adam Curry: Really? Yes. Yeah.Well, yes. Big Because the word25500:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,350things not happening, right? Iwas trying to, you know,25600:15:04,350 --> 00:15:07,980whenever I start a song, I'dhave to simultaneously click the25700:15:08,010 --> 00:15:14,070value block for that song. Andthere were other things. Okay,25800:15:14,070 --> 00:15:14,760just what? Okay.25900:15:15,269 --> 00:15:16,499Unknown: Thank you for thatresume.26000:15:17,099 --> 00:15:20,819Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank youfor that review. So the first26100:15:20,819 --> 00:15:24,779thing I did wrong is in Splitkit, I did not have the box26200:15:24,809 --> 00:15:28,559checked, that says,automatically broadcast default26300:15:28,559 --> 00:15:33,269podcast when active block ends.And so I'm looking, I'm looking,26400:15:33,269 --> 00:15:36,839I'm like, Oh, hold on a second.It's still showing the song and26500:15:36,839 --> 00:15:40,709it should be stopped by now. Sothat was the first thing. And26600:15:40,709 --> 00:15:43,769then there was just a lot goingon. Once the songs were playing.26700:15:43,799 --> 00:15:47,549I'm okay. In fact, I even didsomething very cool. And very DJ26800:15:47,549 --> 00:15:49,979ish. I went to the bathroomduring a song like, wow, this is26900:15:49,979 --> 00:15:52,589so cool. I'm peeing during apodcast. I haven't done this in27000:15:52,589 --> 00:16:00,419years. So the show itself, I wasquite happy with. I'm sorry, you27100:16:00,419 --> 00:16:03,389heard my distraction. That's aprofessional, that is a27200:16:03,389 --> 00:16:06,209professional thing that I takequite seriously. And, you know,27300:16:06,389 --> 00:16:08,699let me let me be clear, if Idon't get five out of five27400:16:08,699 --> 00:16:12,749stars, you know, then Uber willeventually fire me. So he gets27500:16:12,749 --> 00:16:15,479surge prices, surge pricing goesdown.27600:16:16,410 --> 00:16:19,710Dave Jones: Let me let me be letme be clear, I could tell some,27700:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,150I could tell something withinthe first 20 or so minutes of27800:16:24,150 --> 00:16:29,550the show, I could tell that youwere trying to I'm not gonna say27900:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,330nervous. It wasn't nervousness.It was more like I could tell28000:16:33,330 --> 00:16:37,440that you were just like, youcouldn't focus fully on what you28100:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,440own the things you were tryingto say. Because you were getting28200:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,610so many buttons at the28300:16:41,610 --> 00:16:43,200Adam Curry: same time. You'reabsolutely right. You're28400:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,210absolutely right. But aboutabout 20 to28500:16:45,780 --> 00:16:49,410Dave Jones: 30 minutes into theshow. Like, it felt like all28600:16:49,410 --> 00:16:50,160that went away.28700:16:50,190 --> 00:16:52,500Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, that'sfair. Settle there. Yeah, fair,28800:16:52,530 --> 00:16:53,280totally fair.28900:16:54,089 --> 00:16:56,189Dave Jones: And then at thatpoint, it was like, it was just,29000:16:56,219 --> 00:16:58,589it was just a smooth, I feltlike I was back in daily source29100:16:58,589 --> 00:17:00,659code. It was, well, it wasawesome.29200:17:01,050 --> 00:17:04,320Adam Curry: So the first thing,I mean, there's a lot I can talk29300:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,220about, but I'm so pleased withthis songs, I was able to find29400:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,790the sourcing of the material wasactually quite easy, because we29500:17:11,790 --> 00:17:15,480had already played a number ofthese songs on on this podcast.29600:17:16,170 --> 00:17:19,320So I already had an idea ofthere's some really kick ass29700:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,140songs. And then I was trying todo a real Friday, you know,29800:17:22,140 --> 00:17:24,870like, kick ass feel to it, Ithink kick ass a lot, but I29900:17:24,870 --> 00:17:29,550meant it was all of that wentrelatively well. And you know, I30000:17:29,700 --> 00:17:35,760had the lineup good. Although,you know, a request came in for30100:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,450a song. But I figured, you know,since I'm doing everything now,30200:17:39,450 --> 00:17:43,830why just try a request as well.So I added it to the split kit30300:17:43,830 --> 00:17:47,490in real time, and then had tofind the song and get it all go30400:17:47,490 --> 00:17:49,770until there's this a lot ofthings, but it's possible. I30500:17:49,770 --> 00:17:53,610mean, it's back to almost theold school days of DJing, where30600:17:53,610 --> 00:17:55,980you really had to queue up therecord, you had to physically30700:17:55,980 --> 00:17:58,950hit cart machines. And so this,there's a lot of that a lot of30800:17:58,950 --> 00:18:00,000that going on now.30900:18:00,330 --> 00:18:02,340Dave Jones: And you kind ofliked that, though, you know, I31000:18:02,340 --> 00:18:02,970love that. Oh, yeah, I31100:18:02,970 --> 00:18:05,220Adam Curry: love it. I love it.Um, so once we were done, this31200:18:05,220 --> 00:18:10,410is where it problems started. SoI specifically wanted to have31300:18:10,410 --> 00:18:16,020chapters as well as I want thechapters timed, and there is a a31400:18:16,020 --> 00:18:20,310JSON chapter output on splitkit, which, you know, so these31500:18:20,310 --> 00:18:24,000are just all the bugs we'refinding right. So if you played31600:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,090if you had something in theorder on split kid, it's out of31700:18:27,090 --> 00:18:30,540order, like that request songwas all the way at the end, but31800:18:30,540 --> 00:18:34,200it had the correct start time.But instead of that working and31900:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,930putting it into chapters at thecorrect start time it put it at32000:18:36,930 --> 00:18:40,170the end. So these were alllittle annoyances, the thing32100:18:40,170 --> 00:18:49,290that really stood out is thelack of adherence to spec and we32200:18:49,290 --> 00:18:53,670noticed this right away when thevalue block wasn't switching in32300:18:53,670 --> 00:18:58,710any of the apps and I'm flippingout you know so I've just done32400:18:58,710 --> 00:19:02,220the show I'm like ah, the livestuff was great people a boost32500:19:02,220 --> 00:19:06,240in it's all fantastic all ofthat works but then in the32600:19:06,240 --> 00:19:12,030replay the two things are nothappening the chapters are32700:19:12,030 --> 00:19:16,140staying all the way throughuntil the until the next song32800:19:16,140 --> 00:19:21,810What the what I expected it todo because I had n times in the32900:19:21,810 --> 00:19:27,990chapters is for the the currentchapter art to stop and then the33000:19:27,990 --> 00:19:33,720default to come back which Ithink is spec yes if you have an33100:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,020end time so that that didn'thappen people are ignoring end33200:19:37,020 --> 00:19:41,520times the and by the way, Ithink the best experience still33300:19:41,550 --> 00:19:45,720would be pod verse because podverse the art switches while33400:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,470you're listening and fountaindoesn't do that, that I really33500:19:49,470 --> 00:19:52,380was looking at these two appsspecific I knew kareoke and33600:19:52,380 --> 00:19:55,590curio caster also had propeveryone had a problem. But the33700:19:55,590 --> 00:19:56,190biggest problem33800:19:56,190 --> 00:19:57,780Dave Jones: with the End Timespecifically yeah33900:19:59,670 --> 00:20:02,550Adam Curry: I I don't know if Itested that on curio caster, but34000:20:02,550 --> 00:20:04,680no one had the end times as faras I can tell, here's34100:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,390Dave Jones: what I was hearingabout, here's what I would34200:20:06,390 --> 00:20:09,210expect to happen in this may notbe clear from the spec, I don't34300:20:09,210 --> 00:20:13,680know, I would expect thatwhenever the chapter art, when34400:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,000if there's an end of time in thechapter section, that at the34500:20:18,030 --> 00:20:22,290when the when the end, he getshit, and there's no next chapter34600:20:22,290 --> 00:20:27,960this this starting that theoriginal show arcs, it just34700:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,300flows back to this main album onexactly34800:20:30,300 --> 00:20:34,620Adam Curry: what I expected.Okay, that did not happen. The34900:20:34,620 --> 00:20:39,180second thing was real breakage.Because I set up the booster35000:20:39,180 --> 00:20:44,550gram ball, and the booster gramball has a show value block just35100:20:44,550 --> 00:20:52,170for the entire show. And when Isaw I just added the through35200:20:52,170 --> 00:20:56,670split kid I imported the valuetime splits. It didn't work on35300:20:56,670 --> 00:21:01,710any app, every single apprequired there to be a value35400:21:01,710 --> 00:21:06,030block in it in order for thevalue time splits to work, which35500:21:06,030 --> 00:21:07,470I also don't think is spec.35600:21:10,410 --> 00:21:14,310Dave Jones: That makes sense.Yes. Okay. You're you're saying35700:21:14,310 --> 00:21:21,840that you're saying that that thethe lack of a feed level value35800:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,500block?35900:21:22,530 --> 00:21:25,050Adam Curry: No, I had the feedlevel block, but I didn't have36000:21:25,050 --> 00:21:29,040the item level block. And we'veonly tested it with item level36100:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,940blocks on this show. We've nevertested it with no item level36200:21:32,940 --> 00:21:35,550block, just pure value timesplit block.36300:21:36,270 --> 00:21:40,440Dave Jones: Okay, this issimilar to the issue that a lot36400:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,140of apps had at the beginning,when we started doing the live36500:21:43,140 --> 00:21:48,120item tag where there was yes,when you have a feed that has36600:21:48,150 --> 00:21:52,230episodes, and then you add alive item, when you have feed36700:21:52,230 --> 00:21:55,650that has items, then you add alive item, everything worked36800:21:55,650 --> 00:21:58,710fine. But if you had a feedwhere there was nothing in it36900:21:58,710 --> 00:22:03,210literally nothing, and you onlyhad a live item, it freaked37000:22:03,210 --> 00:22:06,840everything out. And yes,37100:22:06,990 --> 00:22:10,800Adam Curry: that's exactly whathappened. So this, so my feed37200:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,640did not have value recipients atthe item level block. But it37300:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,630only had the value time split,then not a single app understood37400:22:18,630 --> 00:22:25,800it. And now imagine, I'm done.I'm testing it on apps I'm not37500:22:25,800 --> 00:22:31,170seeing I'm seeing 100% of thebooths go to the show level37600:22:31,170 --> 00:22:35,580block. Nothing to the artistslike this is this is bad.37700:22:36,270 --> 00:22:39,360Because this is the premiereshow and the artists aren't37800:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,560getting anything. And I have adinner in Dripping Springs in an37900:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,730hour with our pastor and hiswife and two other friends. And38000:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,440then I'm just with Steven B andwe're trying to troubleshoot at38100:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,670his daughter's turning six. Sohe has birthday party stuff. And38200:22:56,670 --> 00:23:00,630I'm just like, oh, yeah, and I'mjust like I said Jesus helped38300:23:00,630 --> 00:23:04,980me. days in the forest. Dave'sin the forest, I gave it to the38400:23:04,980 --> 00:23:09,630Lord. And I just okay, that willhappen. And you know, Steve38500:23:09,630 --> 00:23:12,690said, yeah, man, I probablycan't get to it till tonight or38600:23:12,690 --> 00:23:16,140tomorrow. You know, that wasthat was just what it was, you38700:23:16,140 --> 00:23:19,860know. So I'm like, Okay, I'm abig boy, I just felt so bad38800:23:19,860 --> 00:23:23,130because I knew that. Basically,I'm getting all the Satoshis.38900:23:23,130 --> 00:23:25,800And the whole point was for themto go to the artist anyway.39000:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,220During the dinner, I get a textfrom, from Steven beasts. And I39100:23:32,220 --> 00:23:35,460figured it out, he figured outwhat the problem what we figured39200:23:35,460 --> 00:23:42,090out together. And then I can'teven remember, I wound up39300:23:42,090 --> 00:23:45,570putting an item level valueblock in and that cleared it up.39400:23:45,870 --> 00:23:48,630And then he was fixed. There wasother stuff going on. And he39500:23:48,630 --> 00:23:51,900will have to explain what it wasall kinds of other things were39600:23:51,900 --> 00:23:52,440happening.39700:23:53,070 --> 00:23:56,040Dave Jones: Okay, so So you,you, you threw in an item level39800:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,250value block and everything justmagically? It started.39900:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,470Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, it wasprobably a combo of two40000:24:01,470 --> 00:24:04,770different things. Steven alsosaid some other stuff. And he40100:24:04,770 --> 00:24:09,630was fixing the chapter issue. Sothat because I think was also40200:24:09,630 --> 00:24:15,480the one I played out of orderwasn't working. It somehow40300:24:15,630 --> 00:24:20,700somehow it mattered, the thatI'm not saying this right, even40400:24:20,700 --> 00:24:25,440though the time was correct. Inthe value time split for the40500:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,990song I played at that was placedin the value times but block at40600:24:30,990 --> 00:24:36,720the end. Some apps I thinkdidn't pick it up. And also and40700:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,960to be fair, everyone's in betaon this stuff. And so this was40800:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,990running with scissors, andfountain I'm using the beta of40900:24:42,990 --> 00:24:47,070fountain and I knew it was wrongthere because it wasn't picking41000:24:47,070 --> 00:24:49,710up anything I saw not theReferences tab wasn't even41100:24:49,710 --> 00:24:54,180there. And so and it wasn'tdoing it right and it actually41200:24:54,180 --> 00:24:56,790wasn't catching the first block.I mean, there's all kinds of41300:24:56,790 --> 00:25:00,330little things that werehappening. But as as time41400:25:00,330 --> 00:25:04,800progressed, as time went on,things just kind of started to41500:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,400shake out and start to end updoing resets on the on the feed41600:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,370and the index to make sureeverything gets brought back in41700:25:11,370 --> 00:25:16,380again. And then by then it'sworking pretty well. And I'm41800:25:16,380 --> 00:25:22,470seeing because I have the newheli pad on my start start nine41900:25:22,470 --> 00:25:26,670box, I can see the split, youknow, so I can actually see as42000:25:26,670 --> 00:25:30,930it comes in as Okay, that lookslike you know, 5% of the entire42100:25:30,930 --> 00:25:34,230boost because it has the it hasthe the Satoshis that came in42200:25:34,230 --> 00:25:37,800and in parentheses on the newhelipad, that shows the total42300:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,570boost amount. Okay, so now Iknow, of course, I still don't42400:25:42,570 --> 00:25:47,250really know what it's going tobecause no one has that encoded.42500:25:48,210 --> 00:25:51,690You know, the the apps aren'ttelling me what it's boosting is42600:25:51,690 --> 00:25:55,170just it tells me it's boostingmy show. And I can see from the42700:25:55,170 --> 00:25:58,050numbers that I'm not gettingthat I'm getting just a small42800:25:58,050 --> 00:26:01,320percentage. So my presumption isit's going to the right42900:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,120destination. In fact, I have tosay pod verse when you use pod43000:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,840verse ditch you know when you goto boost it shows you the split43100:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,370right there and you can be youdon't have to like fountain you43200:26:14,370 --> 00:26:18,150have to tap into in to see thesplit. And I don't think43300:26:18,150 --> 00:26:21,720fountain in the in the betta. Idon't think it shows the actual43400:26:21,750 --> 00:26:24,570the top value time split. Sothere's all kinds of confusing43500:26:24,570 --> 00:26:27,750stuff, but I could see when Ihit it on fountain, then it43600:26:27,750 --> 00:26:30,060would come in and it would be asmall percentage so I figured it43700:26:30,060 --> 00:26:33,690work but no one is sending alongthe title of the of the remote43800:26:33,690 --> 00:26:36,930item. That would be really handyif we had that.43900:26:38,610 --> 00:26:41,880Dave Jones: There were so we'rejust in the spec is only the44000:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,590remote. The remote feed Gu IDand the remote item Gu ID is the44100:26:46,590 --> 00:26:48,690only two things that comethrough, right.44200:26:48,750 --> 00:26:51,270Adam Curry: But but from fromthat they could parse it and say44300:26:51,270 --> 00:26:55,200okay, this is a boost forbooster gram ball, the44400:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,860broadcast,44500:26:56,189 --> 00:26:58,469Dave Jones: but really pad wouldhave to do that. Oh, Haley pad44600:26:58,469 --> 00:27:01,469has to do that. Okay. Yes, yeah,because all you're getting the44700:27:01,469 --> 00:27:05,219only thing they can send unlessthey just encode it textually in44800:27:05,219 --> 00:27:09,659the in the boost somehow is, isjust the feed guid in the in the44900:27:09,659 --> 00:27:12,869item do it. So on the receiverend, we would have to do a look45000:27:12,869 --> 00:27:17,099up and get what what that was.Okay.45100:27:18,030 --> 00:27:20,790Adam Curry: So I found a bug onpod verse in this process, pod45200:27:20,790 --> 00:27:26,310verse was actually sending itreverse. So I'd get the get the45300:27:26,310 --> 00:27:31,050full amount first on helipad.And then in parentheses, the the45400:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,500percentage that I actually got,and Mitch jumped on that right45500:27:34,500 --> 00:27:35,940away. And you fix that.45600:27:36,449 --> 00:27:37,349Dave Jones: Okay, cool.45700:27:39,930 --> 00:27:43,500Adam Curry: Cast ematic. I sawcast ematic Franco was testing45800:27:43,500 --> 00:27:47,940something and he's only sendingtotal sets TLB he's not sending45900:27:47,940 --> 00:27:52,470the the percentage received.Franco.46000:27:53,670 --> 00:27:56,400Dave Jones: So he's not he's notsending the he's sending the46100:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,870original amount, not the not theactual or the other way around.46200:28:01,350 --> 00:28:03,450Adam Curry: Now he's not he'snot sending the actual he's46300:28:03,450 --> 00:28:04,620sending the total amount.46400:28:05,340 --> 00:28:06,840Dave Jones: Okay, so you're notseeing an accurate46500:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,820representation of what you gotversus46600:28:08,850 --> 00:28:12,180Unknown: Correct. Correct.Correct. So,46700:28:13,260 --> 00:28:15,810Dave Jones: which I need to tellI want to talk about cast46800:28:15,810 --> 00:28:16,950thematic in a bit.46900:28:16,980 --> 00:28:19,170Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I knowbecause you're, you're you're47000:28:19,170 --> 00:28:23,790building some kind of Shemaiahhere. So let me see what else I47100:28:23,790 --> 00:28:30,210had on my my notes here. Otherthan that, I think it was, I47200:28:30,210 --> 00:28:33,270think that was those were thebugs. I mean, this is very small47300:28:33,270 --> 00:28:36,750stuff comparatively speaking.And, and I have to say that so47400:28:37,050 --> 00:28:41,790this this thing hit big. I mean,I got calls from the Netherlands47500:28:41,790 --> 00:28:45,150people, you know, radio peoplesaying what's going on? want to47600:28:45,150 --> 00:28:50,910interview you? Nice. Sam Sethicalled. He says, Yeah, I47700:28:50,910 --> 00:28:52,080Dave Jones: heard yourinterview. Yeah, it was good.47800:28:52,890 --> 00:28:53,850Was the audio47900:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,470Adam Curry: doing weird stuff onyour?48000:28:56,340 --> 00:28:58,320Dave Jones: It was very Kuti.Yeah.48100:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,160Adam Curry: Yeah. It's not likethere's some kind of encoding48200:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,470issue they might have had onthis particular episode.48300:29:04,740 --> 00:29:07,050Dave Jones: I agree. Yeah. Well,it48400:29:07,050 --> 00:29:09,390Adam Curry: wasn't just myinterview. It was it was in it48500:29:09,390 --> 00:29:11,400was throughout the whole show. Iwas hearing it.48600:29:12,030 --> 00:29:14,370Dave Jones: James said he wastrying to edit you down to 2048700:29:14,370 --> 00:29:15,270minutes of cream.48800:29:17,370 --> 00:29:20,040Adam Curry: Honestly, I think hedid a pretty good job at it.48900:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,890Because he got mostly got themost important stuff in there.49000:29:22,890 --> 00:29:28,020And for me, the most importantagain, is this is everybody this49100:29:28,020 --> 00:29:32,100is every every single person whohas worked on this project from49200:29:32,100 --> 00:29:37,410the beginning. All these piecescame together. And you know,49300:29:37,410 --> 00:29:41,550it's it's a shining moment forall of us and then to see and49400:29:41,550 --> 00:29:47,550this is the thing that that Ilove the most to see James jump49500:29:47,550 --> 00:29:52,350in and immediately do his ownmusic show. Just made the I was49600:29:52,350 --> 00:29:58,470beaming. I'm so so happy. Thatis so cool, because I want to49700:29:58,470 --> 00:30:03,450see 1000 of music shows1000s 10s of 1000s of music49800:30:03,450 --> 00:30:09,960shows, and, and for a number ofreasons. But another one is, is49900:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,410like, Oh man, where do you findthat song? I want to play that50000:30:13,410 --> 00:30:18,180song. You know, it's discoveryupon discovery. And the artists50100:30:18,180 --> 00:30:22,290feedback has been fantastic.That means just that, you know,50200:30:22,290 --> 00:30:25,590they're making, they're gettingvalue. They're, they're feeling50300:30:25,620 --> 00:30:30,420appreciated. They're excited. Ihave a whole inbox filled with50400:30:30,420 --> 00:30:32,670Play my song, you know, stufflike that.50500:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,620Unknown: Oh, well, that's,that's what you want. That's,50600:30:34,620 --> 00:30:37,110that's really what you want. And50700:30:37,110 --> 00:30:43,320Adam Curry: then to top it alloff. IPFS podcasting worked. It50800:30:43,350 --> 00:30:46,560works. And not just a little bit50900:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,650Dave Jones: perhaps the mostsolid part of the hoax. Yes. I51000:30:49,650 --> 00:30:49,800mean,51100:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680Adam Curry: I screwed somethingup. Because as we were, you51200:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,230know, me, it's like, I'm sofrustrated trying to get the why51300:30:55,230 --> 00:30:59,190is it not working? Why am I so Idid a good change. Yeah, that's51400:30:59,190 --> 00:31:03,780always smart. So if you gotepisode one twice, that's what51500:31:03,780 --> 00:31:10,260it is. And but so, and then, ofcourse, cameras like, Hey,51600:31:10,500 --> 00:31:15,180what's going on? Did you do agood change? I'm sorry. But but51700:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,810that was that. And the splits.I've just got to explain this51800:31:18,810 --> 00:31:21,090for people who haven't heardabout this. So IPFS network, the51900:31:21,090 --> 00:31:24,840interplanetary file system,which has been around for a long52000:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,770time. We've talked about thismany times over. We talked about52100:31:28,770 --> 00:31:32,970implementation. And Cameron hasbeen so diligent just working52200:31:32,970 --> 00:31:37,860there in his shack in the woods.And he will IPF podcasting,52300:31:37,860 --> 00:31:41,700dotnet, which has been runningfor months and months and52400:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,490months. I have all my podcastson there, I can see that people52500:31:44,490 --> 00:31:48,690are definitely downloading themfrom there. Thank you to rss.com52600:31:49,170 --> 00:31:54,660they have is rss.com. Yeah, theyhave a huge node that they that52700:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,450they maintain that52800:31:58,170 --> 00:32:01,860Dave Jones: yeah, Alberto is abig IPFS Yeah, he he loves it.52900:32:01,860 --> 00:32:02,220Um, so53000:32:02,250 --> 00:32:04,320Adam Curry: you know, he he'she's pinning everything, which53100:32:04,320 --> 00:32:11,940is incredibly important. And thething that was always the dream,53200:32:11,970 --> 00:32:19,470you know, the web three dream,web tois has always been that53300:32:19,470 --> 00:32:24,840you would be compensated foryour participation in hosting53400:32:25,290 --> 00:32:29,070some media files. Yeah, that wasthe file that's what file coin53500:32:29,070 --> 00:32:32,760was and file coin was a shitcoin. And it was just an you53600:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,420know, the guys who owned all thecoins, were always trying to get53700:32:36,420 --> 00:32:40,320up in our knickers. Hey, do youlike that? You still so53800:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,900Brittany, they're trying to getmet with my betta. They were53900:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,170trying to get up on our upperskirt basically. And we just54000:32:46,170 --> 00:32:49,470weren't having it's like, no,no, it's I'm just not interested54100:32:49,470 --> 00:32:53,190in that. And so Cameron put andI didn't even know it was going54200:32:53,190 --> 00:32:56,220to be fully automated. I had noidea how he's going to do this.54300:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,010And so if you're a participantand the the podcast is put IPFS54400:33:02,010 --> 00:33:06,600podcasting dotnet into the valueblock, and I have it in for 5%,54500:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,150which was recommended. Then,whenever either enough SATs come54600:33:12,150 --> 00:33:15,510through or a stream or abooster, I don't even know what54700:33:15,510 --> 00:33:20,490it is, you get this wonderfulmessage. Like a really I'm gonna54800:33:20,490 --> 00:33:25,050bring it up. It's a verypleasant message that says thank54900:33:25,050 --> 00:33:31,620you so much for hosting the letme just give you the exact55000:33:31,620 --> 00:33:37,320wording in a second to open up asecond helipad here. And it's so55100:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,220friendly and you see it justcoming in continuously. Now it's55200:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,440the way he's he's done this iswhatever comm whatever that 5%55300:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,490Is that comes into IPFSpodcasting.net. It gets split55400:33:50,490 --> 00:33:55,050amongst all the peers that arethat have pinned that episode so55500:33:55,260 --> 00:33:58,560it's not necessarily if it camefrom you or not, it's the fact55600:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,680that you're participating andyou get a split whether it came55700:34:01,680 --> 00:34:07,770from you or not. So here's anexample. Go down here. So eight55800:34:07,770 --> 00:34:12,150SATs booster gram ball boostergram ball episode one thank you55900:34:12,150 --> 00:34:14,940from booster grid inparentheses. Thank you from56000:34:15,030 --> 00:34:18,660Bookstagram ball for hostingBookstagram ball Episode Oh one56100:34:18,720 --> 00:34:23,790via IPFS podcasting and you feelso good about this.56200:34:25,139 --> 00:34:27,749Unknown: You do it just feelsgood.56300:34:28,020 --> 00:34:32,040Dave Jones: So I got my notesset up last night. Of course56400:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,180Paul piled it onto the same boxthat I'm podcasting and also is56500:34:36,180 --> 00:34:37,620the Umbro doors.56600:34:37,710 --> 00:34:39,780Unknown: Yes. Does. Yes.56700:34:39,810 --> 00:34:43,320Dave Jones: So the is I got tosit up. I'm currently I56800:34:43,320 --> 00:34:52,230currently have eight to 864peers. And I'm hosting about 20056900:34:52,230 --> 00:34:56,820Meg's of of episodes nice. Ihave not received I've not57000:34:56,820 --> 00:35:00,120received any, any of the warmgreetings that you've had. Have57100:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,880you just talked about having? SoI haven't gotten any payments57200:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,120yet.57300:35:03,150 --> 00:35:05,520Adam Curry: You have? Well, andyou just got it up set up today57400:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,270or yesterday?57500:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,340Dave Jones: Last night, okay,yeah. I have only only got a57600:35:11,340 --> 00:35:13,380couple of episodes today. So Imean, this is real.57700:35:13,799 --> 00:35:16,499Adam Curry: Right? I'm hostingpod news as well. And I've57800:35:16,499 --> 00:35:19,619gotten payments from pod news.So I57900:35:19,620 --> 00:35:23,460Dave Jones: went in and I did adon't tell me if I did it.58000:35:23,460 --> 00:35:27,360Right. I went in and, likefavorited shows that I wanted to58100:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,430be a part of, of hosting,58200:35:29,460 --> 00:35:32,940Adam Curry: did you make it ared heart or a gold heart? I58300:35:32,940 --> 00:35:35,910think red. Okay, that means youonly start hosting stuff from58400:35:35,910 --> 00:35:38,790that moment forward, you don'tgo back and index the whole58500:35:38,790 --> 00:35:39,480catalog.58600:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,940Dave Jones: Okay, so if it'sgold, it does the whole thing.58700:35:41,970 --> 00:35:45,450Yeah. Oh, I need I need to goldit up, then I need to switch58800:35:45,450 --> 00:35:46,740month. Yeah, as long58900:35:46,740 --> 00:35:49,200Adam Curry: as you have diskspace, that's no problem. And59000:35:49,230 --> 00:35:52,530you know what this what I loveabout this is, yes, this was59100:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,130probably the most solid piece ofthe whole thing. We did it59200:35:56,130 --> 00:36:00,840because I was completelysovereign. Basically, I output59300:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,510my sovereign feeds RSS feed, Iput it onto my own server, added59400:36:06,510 --> 00:36:13,170that to the index, and added itto my, to my IP fester59500:36:13,170 --> 00:36:21,660podcasting node added to my ownlightning node for for my own59600:36:21,660 --> 00:36:27,120payments, and IPFS. Just hostingit. I mean, you, me yeah, you59700:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,280could get it from somewhereelse, the original place I59800:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,500uploaded it. But that's that'snot in the that's not, that's59900:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,620not the enclosure URL, theenclosure URL is to IPFS60000:36:37,620 --> 00:36:42,840podcast. And so he's rotating, Iguess, rotating what exit node60100:36:42,870 --> 00:36:46,140comes off of. And honestly, Iwas a little worried that it60200:36:46,140 --> 00:36:50,580just might be too overwhelming.And I mean, except for the very,60300:36:50,580 --> 00:36:53,400very beginning, there was not asingle failure. No one's60400:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,050complained about it not playing.James I think saw some cores60500:36:58,050 --> 00:37:00,420issues, which we couldn'treplicate, not sure why that60600:37:00,420 --> 00:37:03,390happened. And then it fixeditself. It did kind of fix60700:37:03,390 --> 00:37:07,410itself. But it's also reallysolves the main problem of60800:37:07,410 --> 00:37:11,880broadcasting on the internet.With broadcast, you have an60900:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,460antenna, and every new listeneryou get is actually more revenue61000:37:17,460 --> 00:37:21,660for you. Whereas with podcastingand streaming, and all these61100:37:21,660 --> 00:37:25,200other things, every person youadd is more cost, because61200:37:25,290 --> 00:37:31,920ultimately, it costs morebandwidth to add more bandwidth61300:37:31,950 --> 00:37:36,720to distribute it. And now, it'sjust split up amongst a whole61400:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,770bunch of other people.61500:37:38,370 --> 00:37:41,100Dave Jones: Well, this somewe're gonna have, we're gonna61600:37:41,100 --> 00:37:45,960get Cameron on, as soon as youget back from vacation, and61700:37:46,260 --> 00:37:49,860discuss this and probably haveAlberto on as well. He said,61800:37:49,860 --> 00:37:54,840he's good to go. So we're gonnahave to we're gonna deep dive61900:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,900into this, but I think I thinkyou're right. And also had this62000:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,740thought that you know, thisassault. I don't know if you saw62100:38:01,740 --> 00:38:07,350that news this week, aboutAmazon starting to impose this62200:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,15030% fee.62300:38:09,690 --> 00:38:13,920Adam Curry: Damn. Does anyonehave a podcast app on Amazon?62400:38:15,060 --> 00:38:18,660Dave Jones: I don't know. ButI'm thinking so these these62500:38:18,660 --> 00:38:22,320players, you can generally callthese platform taxes. You know,62600:38:22,350 --> 00:38:27,750they're they're these thatyou're gonna pay us for the for62700:38:27,750 --> 00:38:30,630the privilege of being hosted onour platform? Well,62800:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,000Adam Curry: to be fair, what Iheard was the way I understood62900:38:33,000 --> 00:38:39,120it, is they say, either use ouradvertising infrastructure, or63000:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,400you pay 30% is like a cork fee.Yeah, and Amazon's advertising63100:38:44,730 --> 00:38:48,720infrastructure is quite good. Soif you're in the advertising63200:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,730game, and they had advertising,I can see where they might do63300:38:53,730 --> 00:38:57,450that. Where they might dosomething for me, they want to63400:38:57,450 --> 00:39:00,660get people. I don't think it'sabout taking the 30% for them. I63500:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,030think it's about getting peopleto use their advertising63600:39:03,030 --> 00:39:05,610platform, which is just as evilobviously.63700:39:06,210 --> 00:39:11,610Dave Jones: Well, that IPFS IPFSpodcasting solves not only the63800:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,580problem you talked about, whereit's like the you know, the the63900:39:14,580 --> 00:39:18,600more of successful the show isthe heart, the more it costs, it64000:39:18,690 --> 00:39:23,610solves the platform tax issue aswell. Because now now you're64100:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,230baked into baked into this wholething is pay is you're paying64200:39:28,230 --> 00:39:31,410for the plot, you're you'repaying for the platform. No,64300:39:31,410 --> 00:39:32,100it's better.64400:39:32,370 --> 00:39:34,920Adam Curry: The people who arelistening are paying for the64500:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,610platform. Yeah, it's not eventhe list the list. Yeah, this is64600:39:38,610 --> 00:39:41,520the beauty. This is value forvalue straight up.64700:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,760Dave Jones: They're paid.They're paying for the delivery64800:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,350of the content. Yeah, they're64900:39:46,350 --> 00:39:49,500Adam Curry: using. Exactly,exactly. Now,65000:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,660Dave Jones: I think it ended Ithink it doesn't end around65100:39:51,660 --> 00:39:57,090across on all of this stuff,hosting hosting companies that65200:39:57,090 --> 00:40:02,730are not at least looking at thisYou've got to65300:40:02,759 --> 00:40:04,829Adam Curry: well, this is thisis the best part, this is the65400:40:04,829 --> 00:40:10,109best part. Because Alberto is inthe conversation. And he says,65500:40:10,259 --> 00:40:13,349Man, I'm really looking forwardto getting paid for hosting65600:40:13,349 --> 00:40:16,979files. Yeah, and I don't evenhave to I don't have to have65700:40:16,979 --> 00:40:18,689customer service for thesepeople.65800:40:19,290 --> 00:40:22,080Dave Jones: It turns if it turnsit from a cost center into a65900:40:22,080 --> 00:40:28,170profit, yes. But let me let me Imean, you can have, you can buy66000:40:28,170 --> 00:40:37,140a, you can buy a $10,000, HPdeal 360 with about, you know,66100:40:37,140 --> 00:40:41,19010 terabytes of data orsomething like that, or let's66200:40:41,190 --> 00:40:47,970just say 40 terabytes of data,of storage, and just host a66300:40:47,970 --> 00:40:51,780humongous IPFS node in your inthe game. Now here's,66400:40:51,810 --> 00:40:53,940Adam Curry: here's the thing,though, there's, there's, I66500:40:53,940 --> 00:40:58,080think, a downside to this thatwe haven't discussed. So when I66600:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,650started with booster grand ball,I'm getting me I'm getting a66700:41:01,650 --> 00:41:06,120sizable amount of Satoshis. Nowthe more nodes that come on, the66800:41:06,120 --> 00:41:12,330less I'm getting, which so thequestion is, does this remain a66900:41:12,330 --> 00:41:16,410split equally amongst everyonewho's pinning the show? Or do67000:41:16,410 --> 00:41:22,320you balance it out? Based uponwho's node actually supplied67100:41:22,350 --> 00:41:26,010that particular download? Idon't even know if you can do67200:41:26,010 --> 00:41:28,890that. I mean, I don't know. Butthe more nodes are online, the67300:41:28,890 --> 00:41:30,900less you're going to get, ofcourse, that also means the less67400:41:30,900 --> 00:41:35,970you'll be, you'll be I justdon't know if, if that's a real67500:41:35,970 --> 00:41:37,890business, I guess?67600:41:39,420 --> 00:41:41,700Dave Jones: Well, it's a realbusiness from the standpoint of67700:41:42,540 --> 00:41:46,680it take the take the money partof a way of the getting paid for67800:41:46,680 --> 00:41:54,330the delivery. Okay. And just injust look at the just the peer67900:41:54,330 --> 00:41:58,740to peer nature of not having toserve all of it yourself. Right.68000:41:59,490 --> 00:42:03,240You know, that that alone isworth? I mean, because if you68100:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,760think, you know, I don't knowhow I don't know what the68200:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,620typical bill is for CD ends forhosting companies, but it's got68300:42:10,620 --> 00:42:15,240to be in the 1000s of dollars amonth? Oh, you know, I don't68400:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,930know more more than that. 1010grand a month, I don't know,68500:42:18,930 --> 00:42:23,790you, you take 110 1015, I don'tknow it's got it's got to be a68600:42:23,790 --> 00:42:27,390lot. So you take, let's justtake you to Isa, you take one68700:42:27,390 --> 00:42:33,690month of of CDN hosting cost,dump that into a into a fat68800:42:33,720 --> 00:42:40,500server at a colo and just inhost as much as you can. And if68900:42:40,500 --> 00:42:45,480every host does that, and theyall begin to share the load. And69000:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,060all the peer and all thecommunity and the peer to peer.69100:42:48,060 --> 00:42:48,660I mean, I would69200:42:49,170 --> 00:42:52,080Adam Curry: you were you removethe big you remove the biggest69300:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,190problem they have.69400:42:53,820 --> 00:42:57,000Dave Jones: Yeah. And I mean,like I've got, I would run us, I69500:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,870would run a decent sized serverat Linode. For this,69600:43:00,900 --> 00:43:03,390Adam Curry: I think I think thiswill be a very interesting free69700:43:03,390 --> 00:43:06,480market experiment, we're goingto see what happens, we're going69800:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,090to see so you know, what, if Iswitch? No, not that I'm going69900:43:09,090 --> 00:43:13,380to because we're pretty happywith our setup. But if I switch70000:43:13,380 --> 00:43:17,910no agenda to this? I mean, wherewould we wind up? I mean, would70100:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,020I be we start pushing a terabitper second, the minute we70200:43:22,020 --> 00:43:24,990release, you know, so this willbe very interesting to see what70300:43:24,990 --> 00:43:29,910falls down. If we did somethinglike that. But for 99% of all70400:43:29,910 --> 00:43:33,630the podcasts out there, this isa solution. And I'm not saying70500:43:33,900 --> 00:43:37,140that you need to go full onsovereign and not use your70600:43:37,140 --> 00:43:40,140hosting company. Quite theopposite. The hosting companies70700:43:40,140 --> 00:43:43,140can get into this game. Like Ithink that's what you're saying,70800:43:43,140 --> 00:43:43,470too.70900:43:44,070 --> 00:43:46,860Dave Jones: Yeah. Just I'mthinking, well, Todd Todd just71000:43:46,860 --> 00:43:50,460said 35,000 a month. I mean,like, there you go, you're,71100:43:50,730 --> 00:43:54,060you're mainly what I'm saying isyou as a hosting company, Todd71200:43:54,060 --> 00:44:02,610being a baller, 35k month, man.There's a, as a hosting company,71300:44:02,610 --> 00:44:05,670you have to look at this beforethe future, you know, for the71400:44:05,670 --> 00:44:10,170future. And at least say, Okay,this is worth considering some71500:44:10,170 --> 00:44:13,170sort of investment. I mean, letit play out, let it you know,71600:44:13,170 --> 00:44:17,100let it play out for the next fewmonths and see no stability and71700:44:17,100 --> 00:44:21,540how it progresses. But be readybe ready to make to spend a few71800:44:21,540 --> 00:44:26,880$1,000 to make an investment ina in a box or in something to71900:44:26,910 --> 00:44:31,530get you into this game becauseit will like I mean, just just72000:44:31,530 --> 00:44:37,650think about that. That's That'strue decentralization that we72100:44:37,650 --> 00:44:43,110said this before the hostingcompany, the CDN, the delivery72200:44:43,110 --> 00:44:49,800of the audio part. That's notthe fun part of doing what you72300:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,050do as a host, right? That's justa thing. It's like the dirty72400:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,080thing that you just have to doif the plumbing of your hotel.72500:44:58,620 --> 00:45:02,250Yeah, exactly. I mean, you thingcould be that all the audio and72600:45:02,250 --> 00:45:06,120the delivery of it is socommoditized and has been72700:45:06,120 --> 00:45:12,270commoditized for 25 years.That's not the value, add. The72800:45:12,270 --> 00:45:17,040value add is all the softwareand support and user interfaces,72900:45:17,070 --> 00:45:20,550tooling and all that stuff thatyou layer on, the delivery of73000:45:20,550 --> 00:45:27,030the audio is just pure cost toyou. I'm feeling a need to make73100:45:27,030 --> 00:45:27,750that better, isn't73200:45:27,750 --> 00:45:29,850Adam Curry: it. So I'm soexcited about this, because we73300:45:29,850 --> 00:45:33,570can also start to create, um,there's just a lot that can be73400:45:33,570 --> 00:45:36,450created out of this. Now themain thing we need is we need73500:45:36,450 --> 00:45:40,560write ups, we need people to bewriting up how it works. I mean,73600:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,400I've been sending people tomusic side project.com, there's73700:45:44,550 --> 00:45:48,150the there's a pretty decenttutorial video that shows how to73800:45:48,150 --> 00:45:53,610do it with a with a with the podpress plugin. wavelength.com is73900:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,540probably still the easiest atthis point. But you don't get74000:45:57,540 --> 00:45:59,520the benefit of the splits. Imean, I know that they're going74100:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,670to work on it, I would expectthere will be more more music74200:46:05,700 --> 00:46:11,310based hosts popping up. And nowyou can actually add IPFS on74300:46:11,310 --> 00:46:17,160that end as well. You can useIPFS podcasting.net for a music74400:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,630hosting service. In fact, it'sprobably very valid to do it74500:46:21,630 --> 00:46:24,570that way. Because you know,that's going to be relatively74600:46:24,570 --> 00:46:28,650low. You know, number ofaccesses will be different than74700:46:28,650 --> 00:46:35,880a podcast. Oh, I did. So just asa side note, James Vaughn, his74800:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,920random music project thing. Hethought that he should be a74900:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,190music tag, which made himunfindable in the index.75000:46:46,170 --> 00:46:48,390Dave Jones: Why did it make himfindable to be music?75100:46:49,410 --> 00:46:53,760Adam Curry: Under? Underfountain? Fountain?75200:46:54,330 --> 00:46:57,180Dave Jones: Oh, because fountainsegregates that separate tan?75300:46:57,180 --> 00:46:59,100Yep. Oh, yeah. Okay.75400:46:59,190 --> 00:47:02,400Adam Curry: And I also think isjust incorrect. I mean, if it's75500:47:02,460 --> 00:47:06,510a I think all of even playlistsshould be should not be music,75600:47:06,510 --> 00:47:07,620music should be music.75700:47:09,030 --> 00:47:12,030Dave Jones: Yes, it should bepure. Yeah.75800:47:12,150 --> 00:47:15,000Adam Curry: So I actually resetin the index to make sure that75900:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,850that got reindex because he hadmade the change in his feed, but76000:47:17,850 --> 00:47:23,400it wasn't going all the waythrough a couple of ideas. If76100:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,460you are in an app and view Iwant to boost the song, it'd be76200:47:29,460 --> 00:47:35,130great if the boost buttonreflects that. You know, maybe,76300:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,630you know, maybe we need to thinkabout boost the show or boost.76400:47:39,930 --> 00:47:44,550And then title of the song, justso people have a visual cue76500:47:44,550 --> 00:47:49,080there as to what they're doing.That makes no sense. I don't76600:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,550know what you mean. Okay, so um,I'm just I'm using pod pod76700:47:53,550 --> 00:47:56,610verse. But I'm listening to theshow that I want to I want to76800:47:56,610 --> 00:48:00,450boost and the boost button titlehas actually changed to boost.76900:48:00,780 --> 00:48:03,090You know, Sarah Jade.77000:48:04,950 --> 00:48:07,320Dave Jones: Oh, like it'scalling out the where the where77100:48:07,320 --> 00:48:07,410the77200:48:07,770 --> 00:48:10,920Adam Curry: dynamic change thedynamic change, just as a77300:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,900thought. I mean, anyway,everyone's interface is77400:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,240different. There was one just an77500:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,000Dave Jones: After Effects afterthe fact like fade out pop up.77600:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,490This says, you know, a boostsent to Sarah, Jake, Bob,77700:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,400Adam Curry: something like that.Yeah. I don't know about after77800:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,970the fact. It would be nice forpeople to have a visual cue77900:48:26,970 --> 00:48:29,820right there. Like when you hitthis boost is going to this78000:48:29,820 --> 00:48:33,900artist. I mean, it was wonderfulto watch Tina, because she was78100:48:33,900 --> 00:48:39,240listening to the show. And thesong ended. In the end. She's78200:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,640like, Well, I really liked thatsong. And I said at that moment78300:48:41,670 --> 00:48:44,010on the show, I said, Hey, ifyou'd like a song can always78400:48:44,010 --> 00:48:46,590rewind and go back. And sheactually did it. I saw her do78500:48:46,590 --> 00:48:50,430it. Oh, I can do that. She wentback to the song and then78600:48:50,430 --> 00:48:53,760boosted it. And yeah, so thesetypes of things are important78700:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,850for people to understand.Because it's just not really I78800:48:56,850 --> 00:49:00,480mean, sewer still so new in thecommunication of this. That's a78900:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,450request that came in, I thoughtwas interesting. Someone said, I79000:49:03,450 --> 00:49:08,460would like to boost all theartists all at one time. So all79100:49:08,460 --> 00:49:13,710the songs in the show all atonce. But I don't know how we do79200:49:13,710 --> 00:49:16,980that. If it's crazy if that'sjust one person, but I wanted to79300:49:16,980 --> 00:49:19,830mention it because I thought itwas an interesting, an79400:49:19,830 --> 00:49:21,660interesting, interestingthought,79500:49:22,050 --> 00:49:25,980Dave Jones: well, you know thatso I like seeing what we're79600:49:25,980 --> 00:49:30,690seeing with the different appstrying different interface79700:49:30,780 --> 00:49:36,720styles like fountain asker put alot of thought into that into79800:49:36,720 --> 00:49:42,720that interface. It absolutelywould. So you can go into too.79900:49:43,170 --> 00:49:46,020As you're listening to the show.You can go in and look and it80000:49:46,020 --> 00:49:50,850will show you all the referencedsong songs in Yes, yeah. And you80100:49:50,850 --> 00:49:54,990can boost them individually. SoI like that a lot. I like that.80200:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,380Yeah. That would be a placewhere you can sort of roll that80300:49:58,380 --> 00:50:02,100up to and say okay, do you wantto boost each individually or do80400:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,260you want to boost them all atonce? So yeah, there's a lot.80500:50:04,260 --> 00:50:08,010There's a lot of user interface.Since this is so brand new and80600:50:08,010 --> 00:50:12,570so out there as far as like,what is actually happening?80700:50:13,380 --> 00:50:18,720That's a that's a field that'sripe for, you know, for playing80800:50:19,050 --> 00:50:19,650all kinds80900:50:20,220 --> 00:50:22,170Unknown: of stuff. Yeah,absolutely. Absolutely.81000:50:23,820 --> 00:50:28,980Dave Jones: I mean, I mean, soif you got something else to go,81100:50:28,980 --> 00:50:30,570go ahead, but I want to talkabout cast Matic.81200:50:31,350 --> 00:50:32,730Adam Curry: Now let's talk aboutcasting Matic.81300:50:33,420 --> 00:50:36,450Dave Jones: Yeah. So like that,that sort of plays into the81400:50:36,570 --> 00:50:39,660thing with with cast, Matt. Andthis is going to apply to any81500:50:39,660 --> 00:50:43,380app that doesn't have a serverback end. So that would be81600:50:43,380 --> 00:50:52,800antenna pod. So they, those appshave unique constraints, but in81700:50:52,800 --> 00:50:59,490a in a sense. So I love thesetypes of apps, podcast apps. In81800:50:59,490 --> 00:51:01,080a sense, they're the most pure,81900:51:01,140 --> 00:51:05,940Adam Curry: let's just let's setthe stage here. Again, we, we82000:51:05,970 --> 00:51:09,960you, we've always said, Whateverwe do, it has to work for82100:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,680everybody. We can't just workfor a couple of apps, if there's82200:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,610a serverless app that has allour stuff has to work for that82300:51:17,610 --> 00:51:21,210as well. So that's the that'sthe driving factor behind this82400:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,710specific conversation.82500:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,710Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah, in in,there's a sense in which they're82600:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,670the the serverless apps, youcould think of like if you want82700:51:32,670 --> 00:51:37,200to go old school things like dogcatcher in an apple podcasts at82800:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,120one time was, in a sense, theyconnected to a directory, but82900:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,200they didn't that's about it. Sothe serverless apps are really83000:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,350some of the like, they'rethey're pure podcast apps there83100:51:49,350 --> 00:51:53,250are. So they have built in RSSaggregation. And they just do83200:51:53,250 --> 00:51:56,610everything on device. Andthere's so many benefits to83300:51:56,610 --> 00:52:02,220doing it that way. It's very,it's a great experience. And83400:52:02,220 --> 00:52:08,160it's easy, and it's cheap. Sowhatever has this this lot,83500:52:08,220 --> 00:52:12,090though, everything has to workfor that type of app. The live83600:52:12,090 --> 00:52:15,900experience has to work for thistype of app, the value time83700:52:15,900 --> 00:52:21,750splits have to work. And so sofar, most of it has, but there's83800:52:21,750 --> 00:52:25,950a couple of things that are anissue in one of the in. One of83900:52:25,950 --> 00:52:35,670them is the value time splits,referencing remote items. So so84000:52:35,670 --> 00:52:40,650first of all, referencing theremote item is the exact correct84100:52:40,650 --> 00:52:47,100way to do all of this completelyagree. Because you add any if84200:52:47,100 --> 00:52:50,400you here's what you could do. Solet's think about this. You what84300:52:50,400 --> 00:52:56,340you could do is you could do youcould have done your live show.84400:52:57,150 --> 00:53:02,220It's an after the fact you couldhave hit a magic button. I love84500:53:02,220 --> 00:53:09,600those that would have resolvedall of these remote items into84600:53:09,600 --> 00:53:17,880hard coded value time splitswith the with the value blocks84700:53:18,180 --> 00:53:22,560pulled in from those remoteitems directly into the feed and84800:53:22,890 --> 00:53:24,060and now it's static,84900:53:24,090 --> 00:53:28,560Adam Curry: which is basicallywhat the split kid does.85000:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,540Dave Jones: Okay, so thatthat's, that would be one way85100:53:33,540 --> 00:53:39,330but you then you lose theability to track over time later85200:53:39,330 --> 00:53:42,360on. Let's just say you post thatepisode and six months a year,85300:53:42,360 --> 00:53:49,290two years from now. AinsleyCostello changes her value block85400:53:50,220 --> 00:53:52,020to reference a different wallet.85500:53:52,350 --> 00:53:58,110Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.Yes. The Gotcha. Yes. This is85600:53:58,110 --> 00:54:01,170where the this is where the GUIDID the GUID comes in.85700:54:01,589 --> 00:54:04,979Dave Jones: Right. And this isthis is confusing, because this85800:54:04,979 --> 00:54:07,889is the part of the confusingnature of what value time split85900:54:07,919 --> 00:54:09,269does in this this.86000:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,980Adam Curry: And let me throwsomething in there for you.86100:54:10,980 --> 00:54:13,290Because there's a huge bit ofconfusion just so you can86200:54:13,290 --> 00:54:16,500address this and then I'll bequiet. Sure, there's a lot of86300:54:16,500 --> 00:54:22,020confusion between the value timesplit and chapters. There's a86400:54:22,020 --> 00:54:25,020lot of people thinking well, soit's tied to the chapters86500:54:25,020 --> 00:54:29,460because what they're seeing isalbum art rotating as part of86600:54:29,460 --> 00:54:32,790the chapters, while the valueblock switches. It's two86700:54:32,790 --> 00:54:36,870independent things. Right, butjust adjusting I mean, I think86800:54:36,870 --> 00:54:39,000Sam Sethi was also confusedabout it.86900:54:40,890 --> 00:54:44,220Dave Jones: The reason will todivert for a second the reason87000:54:44,220 --> 00:54:49,500that we talked early on inChapter seemed like a natural87100:54:49,500 --> 00:54:55,290place to do these value timesplits. But there's an87200:54:55,290 --> 00:54:59,610ideological thing here where youwant you don't want a major87300:54:59,610 --> 00:55:04,230feature You're dependent onanother major, major feature.87400:55:04,260 --> 00:55:07,890Yeah, right, these things and Ithought Sam Sethi made this87500:55:07,890 --> 00:55:12,930point, really good. And in theepisode, where he interviewed87600:55:12,930 --> 00:55:16,320you, which is the whole idea ofthese things from the beginning87700:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,940has been that they're modular,yeah, you can take various tags87800:55:20,970 --> 00:55:25,230and plug them in in differentplaces to create new feature87900:55:25,230 --> 00:55:27,960structures of things that can dothings that the previous things88000:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,980could not do by themselves.Imperfect example here is remote88100:55:31,980 --> 00:55:38,640item, remote item can be can bea standalone element in the feed88200:55:38,670 --> 00:55:42,450if you want to make a playlist,or it can be a child of the88300:55:42,450 --> 00:55:47,070value time split tag, where nowit means go pull in a specific88400:55:47,070 --> 00:55:51,750piece of data. So these, theseare all of these, these elements88500:55:51,750 --> 00:55:55,440are modular, so if you think ofthis as features, so if you go88600:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,320like let's say, ideologically,you go one, step up the chain88700:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,770here and say, okay, value timesplit represents a feature. And88800:56:04,770 --> 00:56:10,440that feature is the ability tochange a value destined value88900:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,540block wallet destination on thefly. That feature should not be89000:56:15,540 --> 00:56:21,990dependent on some other feature,let's just say. Let's just say89100:56:21,990 --> 00:56:25,530alternate enclosure. You don'twant you don't want one of these89200:56:25,830 --> 00:56:28,560brands to be dependentideologically on another thing,89300:56:28,560 --> 00:56:34,110so. So book a call. And then thereason is because an app, you89400:56:34,110 --> 00:56:36,240don't want them to you don'twant them to you don't want to89500:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,760require them to write a chapterparser in order to get the89600:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,640ability to switch wallet, right,yeah, concurrently, perhaps,89700:56:44,820 --> 00:56:47,130yes, some apps don't want it,maybe, maybe they don't want to89800:56:47,250 --> 00:56:48,090support chapters.89900:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,610Adam Curry: Right? Well, theywill be pushed off the cliff,90000:56:50,610 --> 00:56:51,150but okay.90100:56:52,980 --> 00:56:57,750Dave Jones: Yes. So like, maybehere's a, here's an example.90200:56:58,710 --> 00:57:04,950Maybe they don't feel a need tosupport chapters, because they90300:57:04,950 --> 00:57:10,950target devices that don't haveinterfaces. Maybe it's an iPod90400:57:10,950 --> 00:57:15,150Shuffle. Okay, there's no,there's no benefit. They see two90500:57:15,150 --> 00:57:17,460chapters, right. But they stillwant to list these, they still90600:57:17,460 --> 00:57:22,770want to be able to switch remotewallets. So there's, there's a90700:57:22,770 --> 00:57:25,770reason you don't want to forcethat. So anyway, that we've90800:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,520we've just established that. Sothat this decision was made to90900:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,130put this information in the XMLof the feed itself. And so91000:57:35,130 --> 00:57:37,740that's when Alex came up withthis value, time split element.91100:57:37,740 --> 00:57:45,180Yeah. The value time splitreferences, it can reference two91200:57:45,210 --> 00:57:50,610things it can reference, it canyou can put a value block91300:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,420directly into the value timeslip, where you just have value91400:57:54,420 --> 00:58:00,660recipients defined statically,just like a value block. Or,91500:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,100instead, you can put in remote,a remote item tag, which means91600:58:05,520 --> 00:58:12,720app. When you see this, go lookup this feed its current version91700:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,040of the XML, go grab a copy,extract the wallet data out of91800:58:17,040 --> 00:58:22,440it and use that. So one is alive lookup in real time. The91900:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,110other one is static forever datathat never changes,92000:58:25,140 --> 00:58:28,020Adam Curry: right? And so thelive lookup is the issue.92100:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,690Dave Jones: Right? So the livelook. Like I said before, you92200:58:33,690 --> 00:58:39,750could make it where the postproduction tool, extracts it all92300:58:39,750 --> 00:58:44,370at, at at at production time andcreate static items, that's less92400:58:44,370 --> 00:58:46,950than ideal because you don'ttrack these things changes over92500:58:46,950 --> 00:58:51,750time. But then the burden of aremote item reference is that92600:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,770things like antenna pod and castMatic have to do live lookups92700:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,820and potentially, the deck.That's a ton of traffic.92800:59:00,390 --> 00:59:03,030Adam Curry: And a lot of a lotof things that can go wrong.92900:59:03,780 --> 00:59:05,790Dave Jones: Yeah, because theyhave to pull the whole feed down93000:59:05,790 --> 00:59:07,530and parse this in parse it.93100:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,350Adam Curry: Yeah, in real time,while someone's waiting for the93200:59:10,350 --> 00:59:11,190show to play.93300:59:11,730 --> 00:59:13,830Dave Jones: Yeah, they wouldhave to be sort of like reading93400:59:13,830 --> 00:59:18,540ahead for or doing it, orlooking just the same way they93500:59:18,540 --> 00:59:22,050do chapters, right, grab a copyof the file is sort of like93600:59:22,050 --> 00:59:26,790whenever you hit play, andrecheck everything and see. So93700:59:28,050 --> 00:59:36,930really, I see that as a burdenon us with API to provide more93800:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,840efficient, look up tools to makethis easier on those sorts of93900:59:42,840 --> 00:59:50,490apps. So that they can get thisdata quick and with with a lot94000:59:50,490 --> 00:59:56,820of efficiency, so that would besomething like an API endpoint,94100:59:57,300 --> 01:00:04,680where cast ematic They can callthey can call out to this94201:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,890endpoint and just get a realtime list of all of the value94301:00:10,890 --> 01:00:16,320splits with their walletsresolved in one go.94401:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,220Adam Curry: Right. But it'sunlike the value block. It's not94501:00:20,220 --> 01:00:24,090a shim, because it has to existin the feed initially, in order94601:00:24,090 --> 01:00:25,860for it to be stored in theindex.94701:00:26,610 --> 01:00:29,220Dave Jones: Yeah, it's the sameis the same thing is if it's in94801:00:29,220 --> 01:00:31,380the feed, it's the feed, if it'sin the feed, the feed is the94901:00:31,380 --> 01:00:34,410source of truth. If it's not inthe feed, because it's been95001:00:34,410 --> 01:00:37,860shimmed, with, you know, withthe partner APR the podcaster95101:00:37,860 --> 01:00:41,670wallet, then then that's thatwas the podcasters choice. And95201:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,710we're honoring that too. Sothat, but if you some thinking,95301:00:47,820 --> 01:00:53,250Okay, well, when you call, itshould be as easy as loading a95401:00:53,250 --> 01:00:57,510chapters file. Right? So andthat means we would do all the95501:00:57,510 --> 01:01:04,470resolution on our side ahead oftime. Maybe pretend? I mean,95601:01:04,470 --> 01:01:10,230every time the feeds parse Yeah,exactly. Yeah. So that's been95701:01:10,230 --> 01:01:13,050behind what I've been trying tothink through with the schema95801:01:13,050 --> 01:01:19,920for the database. I'm getting,I'm trying to model what that's95901:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,420going to mean for us with theway the date the tables are96001:01:24,420 --> 01:01:30,600going to be laid out. And sothere's like, you could you can96101:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,650think about it this way. Iposted the database schema96201:01:35,070 --> 01:01:42,000online, if anybody wants to lookat it. Yummy. is not nearly as96301:01:42,000 --> 01:01:47,130yummy as you think it is. Soit's unpacked, it's on the96401:01:47,130 --> 01:01:52,320namespace as you meet the GitHubrepo. There's a there's a repo96501:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,650for database. And it's justcalled database. And so there's96601:01:55,650 --> 01:02:01,410the current here. We get thenamespace we get the exact96701:02:01,410 --> 01:02:06,000reference, if anybody wants tocheck it. Out, it was96801:02:06,030 --> 01:02:09,630disgusting. Oh, is the oldgrimy? Yeah, I96901:02:09,630 --> 01:02:12,090Adam Curry: just cleaned it up.Let me see. sounds it sounds97001:02:12,090 --> 01:02:13,560better to I can97101:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,360Dave Jones: tell you real intowhat I'm saying here, as you're97201:02:15,360 --> 01:02:15,720cleaning97301:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,360Adam Curry: nose is actuallywith my eyes closed in a zen97401:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,300mode, just just using the cornerof my shirt to clean the bell97501:02:21,300 --> 01:02:24,060while I was listening andvisualizing the database.97601:02:24,060 --> 01:02:24,720GitHub.97701:02:25,170 --> 01:02:28,110Dave Jones: You polish in yourdome? Yes, I, there it is.97801:02:28,860 --> 01:02:30,210Unknown: I make the jokes aroundhere.97901:02:32,190 --> 01:02:36,510Dave Jones: It is called. It isin the podcast index. Org98001:02:36,870 --> 01:02:41,160database repo. And the file iscalled PC API underscore schema98101:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,900dot SQL. So and that's just a,that's just the table structure.98201:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,310As you can see, there's athere's a news feeds table,98301:02:53,790 --> 01:02:57,750which is podcast, the podcasts.And there's an episodes table,98401:02:57,780 --> 01:03:05,520which is called NF items. Sothere's just for, for people who98501:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,510aren't database people, there'sthis notion within databases of98601:03:09,510 --> 01:03:14,280what's called a foreign aforeign key. Or you could call98701:03:14,280 --> 01:03:19,380it a foreign key, foreign keyconstraint. So if I have a table98801:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,300with pod, if I have a tablecalled podcasts, and then I have98901:03:24,300 --> 01:03:29,970another table called episodes,what I want is for the episodes99001:03:29,970 --> 01:03:35,520table, for all the ever allthese rows in the episodes99101:03:35,520 --> 01:03:41,430table, to reference back to anID of the podcast that they99201:03:41,430 --> 01:03:45,630belong to in the podcast table.Okay, so there's a column in the99301:03:45,630 --> 01:03:49,980podcast table called ID. Andthen there's a column in the99401:03:49,980 --> 01:03:55,050episodes table called podcastID. Well, that podcast ID column99501:03:55,050 --> 01:04:02,760in the episodes table needs tobe tied to the ID column in the99601:04:02,760 --> 01:04:07,200podcast table. They need to betied together in such a way i99701:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,880Yes, I say that if you were todo something like delete the99801:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,110podcast out of the podcasttable, all the episodes with99901:04:16,110 --> 01:04:20,250that podcast ID linked to it inthe episodes table also get100001:04:20,250 --> 01:04:25,650deleted. So in don't getorphaned. So that's what you100101:04:25,650 --> 01:04:29,250call a foreign key constraint.So what you do is you're telling100201:04:29,250 --> 01:04:34,650the episodes table, hey, I havean index on this column here,100301:04:34,650 --> 01:04:38,370which is podcast ID and I havean there's a, there's also an100401:04:38,370 --> 01:04:42,540index over here on the podcasttable under the ID column. I'm100501:04:42,540 --> 01:04:45,690going to I'm going that's aforeign key. So I'm going to go100601:04:45,690 --> 01:04:51,270and reference that in here'swhat I want to happen. I want if100701:04:51,330 --> 01:04:55,620the podcast ID over in thepodcast table gets deleted, I100801:04:55,620 --> 01:05:00,000want to take this action. Andthat action could be do nothing100901:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,580We'll leave it there, the actioncould be updated to change to101001:05:05,580 --> 01:05:11,250reflect the new ID, pour, itcould be cascade. So you can101101:05:11,250 --> 01:05:14,340have, you can have thesecascading actions that happen101201:05:14,340 --> 01:05:19,080across a foreign key set. Thisthis is the typical way that you101301:05:19,140 --> 01:05:23,160set up relationships in a win iswhy it's called a relational101401:05:23,160 --> 01:05:23,670database.101501:05:23,700 --> 01:05:27,450Unknown: It's how I've alwaysdone it. Yes, it is. It is. All101601:05:27,450 --> 01:05:30,900your databases are relational.You bet. So101701:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,060Dave Jones: when you're thinkingof through this, this is this is101801:05:36,060 --> 01:05:39,690a complex set of tags. We knowthat we all know this. Where do101901:05:39,690 --> 01:05:42,960we know that value, time splitand remote item IDs? These are102001:05:43,080 --> 01:05:51,000these are not easy tags to modelknow. So there is a table in our102101:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,230database called NF Gu IDs. Inthe NF Gu IDs table is simple.102201:05:55,350 --> 01:06:02,940It's just a Gu ID column and afeed ID. Right. So the podcast102301:06:02,970 --> 01:06:09,390ID is there. And it says, Okay,this podcast ID is this Gu ID.102401:06:09,570 --> 01:06:12,090And there's a foreign key thatrelates back to the podcast102501:06:12,090 --> 01:06:16,170table to the end to new statestable. So that there's linkage102601:06:16,170 --> 01:06:22,680there. So the issue is where tomake these links.102701:06:23,970 --> 01:06:27,150Adam Curry: What sort of bemroseis foreign key is antiquated.102801:06:27,150 --> 01:06:34,890They're now known as migrantkeys. Thank you, I needed that102901:06:34,890 --> 01:06:35,490bemrose.103001:06:39,540 --> 01:06:43,020Dave Jones: Okay, you got mebemrose. That was good. Yes.103101:06:43,530 --> 01:06:48,180Thank you for making this notboring. So you could you could103201:06:48,180 --> 01:06:51,480do it that way. So would you sayalright, should there be a103301:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,720foreign key constraint on thegoods table? For the remote103401:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,250item? Is that the right place tolink it? That would mean the103501:06:59,250 --> 01:07:03,840good? No, I mean, the good ishas to exist. You can't link103601:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,230right if you can't leavesomething blank. So that's not103701:07:07,230 --> 01:07:10,980good. Because some fields don'thave a good before they need to103801:07:10,980 --> 01:07:20,100end up in in, in this as a rulewith a remote item. So but so103901:07:20,100 --> 01:07:22,830what that does that mean thatyou're just going to break the104001:07:22,830 --> 01:07:25,770linkage and say, Okay, well, youdon't, there doesn't have to be104101:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,550a foreign key constraint,because that's not good. Because104201:07:29,550 --> 01:07:32,790if without foreign keys, thenyou you have slow joins, then104301:07:32,790 --> 01:07:37,980you have to do full table scans.So there's things like, I104401:07:37,980 --> 01:07:41,550started drawing this out. Andthere's just things that104501:07:41,550 --> 01:07:44,520they're, I don't think it'sgoing to be possible to avoid104601:07:44,520 --> 01:07:49,470trade offs. Here. The value timesplit itself is pretty104701:07:49,470 --> 01:07:55,200straightforward. That tag looksa lot like the sound bites tag.104801:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,170So it's pretty much like thesound bite table. But when you104901:07:58,170 --> 01:08:05,250bring in the remote item, that'swhen it gets messy. And like105001:08:06,690 --> 01:08:09,510because you end up with you canend up with duplicates, if you105101:08:09,510 --> 01:08:14,460don't have if you don't have theunique index. But then unique105201:08:14,460 --> 01:08:22,050index seems to not really workfor this. So I I'm trying to be105301:08:22,050 --> 01:08:23,490as honest as I can.105401:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,310Adam Curry: Sounds like youreally don't know what you're105501:08:26,310 --> 01:08:31,860doing. Well, I mean, you haven'tmade a choice yet. Let's put it105601:08:31,860 --> 01:08:32,370that way.105701:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,760Unknown: Putting the blame outwrong. Hold on105801:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,260Adam Curry: on lease offering itfor you, you know105901:08:37,260 --> 01:08:43,290Unknown: what's really hot? OpenSource. Send your pull request106001:08:43,290 --> 01:08:43,950now.106101:08:45,569 --> 01:08:49,529Dave Jones: Old school you haddug deep in the back? I did. I106201:08:49,529 --> 01:08:52,229got ISOs by the way, so far itwill go Okay.106301:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,500Unknown: I see what you gothere. Okay, yeah.106401:08:57,779 --> 01:09:00,749Dave Jones: So anyway, that I'mgoing to be honest to say that106501:09:00,899 --> 01:09:04,079I'm not sure exactly whatstructure this is going to take.106601:09:04,079 --> 01:09:06,299I think there's going to betrade offs. But I'm committed to106701:09:06,299 --> 01:09:12,539get something working. Ofcourse, for for this, because106801:09:12,689 --> 01:09:18,929because they need to these appsneed to be first class citizens106901:09:18,959 --> 01:09:22,619in podcasting. 2.0 it is it'snot fair to leave any of these107001:09:22,619 --> 01:09:27,389apps where they can't do thesethings. Part of that, but part107101:09:27,389 --> 01:09:29,429of that is going to be a goodresolver. And brands already107201:09:29,429 --> 01:09:35,069written the code for that. Oh,and he's running one. As soon as107301:09:35,069 --> 01:09:38,669I get these. Since I get thevalue, time split and all that107401:09:38,669 --> 01:09:40,979stuff. It seems like get thatschema stuff settled and get an107501:09:40,979 --> 01:09:45,179API endpoint written. That's thething I'm working on right now.107601:09:45,869 --> 01:09:49,409But then next, I'm going toswitch to the good resolver and107701:09:49,409 --> 01:09:51,479we're going to run one, two,because it's cheap. And we're107801:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,699going to load balances sort oflike we do with piping dot107901:09:53,699 --> 01:09:56,729cloud. And that'll giveeverybody the ability to have108001:09:56,729 --> 01:10:03,989quick good lookups So anywaythat we're we're building this108101:10:04,019 --> 01:10:07,289stuff and it's going to be alittle messy but I think it's I108201:10:07,289 --> 01:10:11,039think once we sort of get alittle bit further into it we'll108301:10:11,039 --> 01:10:15,089be able to have something thatdoesn't leave anybody out but108401:10:15,089 --> 01:10:16,289Nanos crazy108501:10:17,850 --> 01:10:21,810Adam Curry: that's what we'relooking forward. Wow. Okay, big108601:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,740big changes here at the indexlong way to get sorry for that.108701:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,340No, no, no, I'll tell you what,why don't we take a breather one108801:10:29,340 --> 01:10:32,580play song and I'll play song I'dlove to Yeah, okay I'm going to108901:10:32,580 --> 01:10:36,450switch the block right now aswe're going it Sam means listen109001:10:36,450 --> 01:10:37,020to Kalina109101:10:38,190 --> 01:10:39,450Dave Jones: Leo fan109201:10:44,910 --> 01:10:49,920Unknown: it's just a matter ofpee109301:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,920live television109401:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,250season109501:11:32,250 --> 01:11:33,120Kareena?109601:12:10,620 --> 01:12:11,310Go back109701:12:19,710 --> 01:12:28,020to two see109801:12:54,960 --> 01:12:55,290way109901:13:42,090 --> 01:13:49,800so much easier than sit in anyway you want to go.110001:13:50,700 --> 01:13:55,950Adam Curry: Kalina. What a greattune isn't that I love Sam means110101:13:56,430 --> 01:13:59,850his games got chops? Yeah, he'sgot he's got a whole album out.110201:14:00,510 --> 01:14:03,510I think maybe even more than onealbum. And of course, if you're110301:14:03,510 --> 01:14:06,690listening on a modern podcastapp, your Satoshis were switched110401:14:06,690 --> 01:14:10,440to his wallet. And if youboosted during that song that110501:14:10,440 --> 01:14:13,650went to him as well, thank youfor supporting value for value110601:14:13,650 --> 01:14:14,250music.110701:14:15,060 --> 01:14:16,560Dave Jones: It's like thatyou're still playing songs on110801:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,090our show. That's Oh, yeah.110901:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,400Adam Curry: Well, we also mepeople still need stuff to test111001:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,580with. I mean, I'm, I'm going todrop another booster gram ball111101:14:23,580 --> 01:14:28,500tomorrow. Oh, yeah, I'm tryingto do like Saturday. I mean, I111201:14:28,500 --> 01:14:31,530need it has to be a day that I'mnot already doing a podcast.111301:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,100Dave Jones: As you're gettingharder to find. Yeah, but111401:14:35,130 --> 01:14:37,500Adam Curry: you know, I had somefun this morning. It's I'm111501:14:37,500 --> 01:14:41,340trying to make Friday kind of mySabbath. I'm not doing I'm not111601:14:41,340 --> 01:14:45,240doing any Gitmo nation stuff.You know, I'll skim through the111701:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,000emails. Everything that looks noagenda related. I'll just leave111801:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,080that for for Saturday when I doshow prep. So111901:14:52,230 --> 01:14:53,880Dave Jones: today's yourSabbath. It's like we're it's112001:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,780like we're in church together.112101:14:54,809 --> 01:14:57,989Adam Curry: I know. Yeah. We arein church because this is not112201:14:58,529 --> 01:15:02,279work. The drill Yeah. Yeahcathedral thank you the podcast112301:15:02,279 --> 01:15:07,049YouTube for don't get the drawbecause this is all fun and I112401:15:07,199 --> 01:15:10,469picked out a number of songs Ithink I might have heard that112501:15:10,469 --> 01:15:14,849one on James's show not I thinkabout it you know just and I'm112601:15:14,849 --> 01:15:18,059running through Ellen beats andrunning through wave lake and112701:15:18,779 --> 01:15:21,539then look at through emailpeople suggesting songs and112801:15:21,539 --> 01:15:25,409people sending in stuff and theshow it's Yeah, but of course we112901:15:25,409 --> 01:15:27,689need to do on our show. This iswhere we still run with scissors113001:15:27,689 --> 01:15:30,449so people can always knowthere's something to test on our113101:15:30,449 --> 01:15:30,809show.113201:15:31,319 --> 01:15:33,419Dave Jones: So you're gonna belive on set? Yeah, I'm113301:15:33,420 --> 01:15:36,360Adam Curry: gonna drop it livedrop it live job. Yeah, I think113401:15:36,360 --> 01:15:41,160around 1230 Probably. That'sjust a little side note about113501:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,850all this stuff. This could nothave come at a better time. When113601:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,200I think I mentioned that on theon the ball. When this Vanity113701:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,770Fair article come out and thisSusanna, I think her name is she113801:15:52,770 --> 01:15:57,570was on. On the pod pod newsweekly review. No rubbish.113901:15:57,600 --> 01:16:04,110Rebecca. Rebecca sounds good.Yeah. And like this word, the114001:16:04,110 --> 01:16:07,560title of the article was afterthe podcast Gold Rush is audio114101:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,030to corporate to be cool.114201:16:09,660 --> 01:16:12,840Dave Jones: Yes, she's an ISOcanon. All of my assets are from114301:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,220her. She's no, she's amazing.And amazingly clear and concise,114401:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,540in like, pungent voice. It'sYeah, I kind of feel like that114501:16:21,540 --> 01:16:22,080too.114601:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,400Adam Curry: pungent, pungentvoice a good way of describing114701:16:26,400 --> 01:16:32,430it. And, and for me, it's likewe just opened up a whole new114801:16:32,430 --> 01:16:37,950category of podcast. And I thinkit's golden days now for114901:16:37,950 --> 01:16:42,270podcasting. This is the momentto get into this is the moment115001:16:42,270 --> 01:16:46,560to start music shows like this,the ultimate discovery is to115101:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,610have you know, someone youlisten to who's who picks songs.115201:16:51,570 --> 01:16:54,210You may not like them all. Buthey, we've made a fast forward115301:16:54,210 --> 01:16:59,760button. We got chapters, allthese all these handy little115401:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,420tools. But you know, it's theultimate discovery tool for115501:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,510music. And I know people will belistening to the Musa Graham115601:17:06,510 --> 01:17:09,180ball to see you know what I'mplaying. And believe me, I plan115701:17:09,180 --> 01:17:12,540on playing songs I played lastweek again, because I like them115801:17:12,540 --> 01:17:15,810so much. But you know, it's notlike it has to be new music115901:17:15,810 --> 01:17:19,230every single show. No, no, Iwant people to think oh, yeah,116001:17:19,230 --> 01:17:22,680let's let's do some groovytunes. But we should have 1000116101:17:23,100 --> 01:17:28,620Music podcast 10,000, especiallyat this very moment. And two116201:17:28,620 --> 01:17:31,200things are happening. Two thingshappen. First off, Spotify is116301:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,850hiking their price. We'll seehow that goes for them. That's a116401:17:35,850 --> 01:17:39,930tough one. They're innegotiations with the music116501:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,220industry now. And yeah, so thoseguys want a bigger piece of the116601:17:44,220 --> 01:17:49,500pie. So so the whole businessmodel of Spotify is complicated.116701:17:49,500 --> 01:17:54,870Did you see what the whatAinsley Costello posted about116801:17:54,900 --> 01:17:59,670how the performance was a valuefor value versus the 60 other116901:17:59,820 --> 01:18:04,080platform? She's on? A herd? IsSam117001:18:04,110 --> 01:18:07,800Dave Jones: quote her but Imean, it sounded like it was117101:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,390like a 3x time. Yes.117201:18:09,780 --> 01:18:13,560Adam Curry: Yeah, it was 100More than $100 value for value,117301:18:13,770 --> 01:18:19,080versus $36 on 60 otherplatforms. And she, I mean, it's117401:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,750astounding, and I think it'sjust gonna keep on going.117501:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,860Because people just lovesupporting music and the value117601:18:25,860 --> 01:18:30,060for value is exactly is exactlythe way you want to go. Because117701:18:30,060 --> 01:18:32,430you'll be surprised how manypeople will send you more than117801:18:32,430 --> 01:18:35,550you thought you ever deserved.Now the second thing, and this117901:18:35,550 --> 01:18:42,030is sad. This is almost like thePay Pal pocalypse Patreon had a118001:18:42,390 --> 01:18:47,370super meltdown. When theychanged their their, their118101:18:47,370 --> 01:18:53,160processing their merchantprocessing to an Irish company.118201:18:53,700 --> 01:18:59,880And it's been denying paymentsof Patriot patrons. You have to118301:18:59,910 --> 01:19:03,300do go through a lot of hoops youhave to call your credit card118401:19:03,300 --> 01:19:06,240company because they're seeingall of a sudden a foreign118501:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,170payment coming through is beingblocked. I mean, it's canceling118601:19:10,350 --> 01:19:16,260multiple patron Academy. It's amess. To medicine.118701:19:16,290 --> 01:19:18,720Dave Jones: This is the Pay Palpocalypse all over again. Yeah,118801:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,780except this was not intention.People just don't come back.118901:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,840Adam Curry: No Oh, absolutely.Oh man. It hurt no agenda real119001:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,160big. People just went screwPayPal and they just stopped you119101:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,400know, then they stopped andprobably not even thinking that119201:19:32,400 --> 01:19:37,500they had monthlies or, you know,some kind of ongoing sustaining119301:19:37,500 --> 01:19:40,650donation payment going throughit. Oh, yeah, that costs us119401:19:40,680 --> 01:19:47,220quite a bit. But understandable.So value for value. Man you I119501:19:47,220 --> 01:19:54,150mean, now we have to take notethat not if but when lb goes119601:19:54,150 --> 01:19:58,290down because it'll happen. Oh,yeah, it'll happen. There's119701:19:58,290 --> 01:20:01,740gonna be blood on the moon. Andthere'll be a lot of unhappiness119801:20:01,740 --> 01:20:04,080for however long it will takefor because you know, they're119901:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,650gonna have some massive nodesthing they'll have to do and120001:20:07,650 --> 01:20:11,100it's going to really suck.Luckily, things can be switched120101:20:11,100 --> 01:20:14,370out relatively easily. And, youknow, we don't wish this on120201:20:14,370 --> 01:20:16,980anybody we know that we werewe've been around long enough,120301:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,650this will happen. So we alwayshave to be careful with120401:20:19,650 --> 01:20:20,640centralization.120501:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,480Dave Jones: But you, but thething about that, though, is120601:20:25,500 --> 01:20:29,010that nobody's subscriptions areaffected by that, because there120701:20:29,010 --> 01:20:33,360are no subscriptions. No, no, Iknow. All of this stuff is just120801:20:33,390 --> 01:20:37,920it's purely voluntary is it'sit's manual, the booster, the120901:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,480booster grams are manual. Thestreaming sets are automatic.121001:20:43,590 --> 01:20:46,620You might you would have atemporary ID. Let's just say the121101:20:46,620 --> 01:20:50,910lb pocalypse happens. And now bgoes down for you know,121201:20:50,910 --> 01:21:01,380adolescence, say two days. Youthen then it comes back up. And121301:21:01,380 --> 01:21:07,770the listener just never reallyknows. It's not a thing that121401:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,370true not like you get an emailthat says, Hey, your credit121501:21:11,370 --> 01:21:15,690card, your prescription to xpodcast just got right was121601:21:15,690 --> 01:21:18,750denied. Right right. Here, yougotta go do bunch of stuff to121701:21:18,750 --> 01:21:22,230set it all back up. Again,there's a lot of listeners that121801:21:22,230 --> 01:21:24,420aren't going to that are justgoing to be like, You know what,121901:21:24,420 --> 01:21:28,500I wasn't really listening to itall that much anyway. Yeah. So122001:21:28,500 --> 01:21:30,210yeah,122101:21:30,210 --> 01:21:32,430Adam Curry: it's the inverse.You're so right. I had another122201:21:32,430 --> 01:21:35,880thought. You know, there's stillbeen this. No, because of122301:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,300course, I pop back on nostre,which might Nasir usage has gone122401:21:39,300 --> 01:21:45,360down by 95%. I don't know. Thisis just not that interesting, I122501:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,960guess. But I hopped on topromote the boost ball booster122601:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,590Grand Ball figuring people wouldbe interested. And that, you122701:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,760know, I think there wasdefinitely some interest but in122801:21:56,760 --> 01:22:01,470that I saw that. The, I guess Ihad a thread going with the with122901:22:01,470 --> 01:22:05,700the damos developer, Domusdamos, whatever it is,123001:22:06,030 --> 01:22:08,550Dave Jones: oh, he actuallyresponded to you. He Yeah, he is123101:22:08,550 --> 01:22:09,480like I don't exist.123201:22:09,599 --> 01:22:11,969Adam Curry: Oh, and he saidquite adamantly, oh, they're123301:22:11,969 --> 01:22:13,919coming for podcasts and twopoint I don't sure where they're123401:22:13,919 --> 01:22:18,299coming. They're coming, whichthey haven't. But I was thinking123501:22:18,899 --> 01:22:22,649it's so different. What we'redoing it is just because it's123601:22:22,649 --> 01:22:29,549Satoshis. It's completelydifferent. Because this is not a123701:22:29,549 --> 01:22:33,719quick quid pro quo, where youyou make a post, you get zapped,123801:22:33,899 --> 01:22:37,319or people say if you post this,I'll zap you. Right? That's,123901:22:37,349 --> 01:22:41,279that's not really thismechanism. Our mechanism is also124001:22:41,279 --> 01:22:45,359the words we use value forvalue. But as I was I forget, I124101:22:45,359 --> 01:22:50,429was talking to someone aboutthis, about how the Satoshis124201:22:50,489 --> 01:22:56,999this value is really often thenumerology. Now I'd say the124301:22:56,999 --> 01:23:03,299numerology is as important asthe as the words itself. I mean,124401:23:03,299 --> 01:23:12,839if I just go through and look at9999212122223333808, your124501:23:12,839 --> 01:23:20,969favorite 2112? You know,777 1776 1948? I mean, there's a124601:23:20,969 --> 01:23:24,179lot of this. And you know whatthat is? This has been124701:23:24,179 --> 01:23:27,179determined by the Supreme Courtof the United States and124801:23:27,179 --> 01:23:34,139Citizens United that speechmoney is speech. Oh, value for124901:23:34,139 --> 01:23:38,459value, canceling that from theApp Store is a constitutional125001:23:38,459 --> 01:23:43,589violation. Now granted? Granted,they're not granted they're not125101:23:43,589 --> 01:23:47,579the government. But you can makea real case that you're125201:23:47,579 --> 01:23:53,009canceling speech not notpayments. But it is boosts and125301:23:53,009 --> 01:23:57,719value for value streamingpayments are speech. Go look at125401:23:57,719 --> 01:24:02,879Citizens United that's that'swhy you know, campaign.125501:24:05,820 --> 01:24:08,040Dave Jones: Is that the one thatsaid like company companies or125601:24:08,040 --> 01:24:08,610people?125701:24:10,590 --> 01:24:15,090Adam Curry: No, I don't thinkthat. Citizens United125801:24:15,090 --> 01:24:17,490conservative nonprofit groupcalled says United challenge125901:24:17,490 --> 01:24:21,450campaign finance rules after theFEC. Thus the federal action126001:24:21,450 --> 01:24:24,000committee stopped it frompromoting an airing of film126101:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,240criticizing presidentialcandidate Hillary Clinton too126201:24:27,240 --> 01:24:31,560close to the presidentialprimaries. five to four majority126301:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,770of the Supreme Court size sidedwith Citizens United ruling that126401:24:34,770 --> 01:24:38,400corporations and other outsidegroups can spend unlimited money126501:24:38,430 --> 01:24:40,920on elections because it'sspeech.126601:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,560Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the oneI'm talking about. Yeah, it's126701:24:43,710 --> 01:24:48,750they determined they determinedthat corporations have unlimited126801:24:48,750 --> 01:24:49,980donation capacity to126901:24:49,980 --> 01:24:52,170Adam Curry: create money, theyspeak with money money, they127001:24:52,170 --> 01:24:53,100hedge their127101:24:53,130 --> 01:24:58,050Dave Jones: because they're forthe for the purposes of yeah,127201:24:58,470 --> 01:25:02,670they are they basically functionas People they are persons yeah127301:25:02,700 --> 01:25:05,160in it they have space just likea person then127401:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,620Adam Curry: they've and theyhave speech through campaign127501:25:07,620 --> 01:25:11,550finance but ours are so clearbecause we are literally using127601:25:11,550 --> 01:25:15,630Satoshis as speech Shall wethank a few people while we're127701:25:15,630 --> 01:25:19,290at it while we're let's see whatthey had to say. Oh yeah sure.127801:25:19,740 --> 01:25:21,780Or do you want to do you want todo another topic first?127901:25:23,340 --> 01:25:25,830Dave Jones: No, no go ahead.Because this will come back I128001:25:25,830 --> 01:25:26,400guess more stuff.128101:25:26,430 --> 01:25:29,040Adam Curry: Okay, because we gota lot a lot that came in while128201:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,560we were just this shy everyone'shappy to see us back.128301:25:31,590 --> 01:25:32,640Dave Jones: Yeah, that's true.128401:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,690Adam Curry: 50,000 from DredScott boosting Kalina by Sam128501:25:36,690 --> 01:25:39,990means nice to beautiful so thatwent to Sam and he did it from128601:25:39,990 --> 01:25:44,250curio caster Dave Jones 800 Thatmust have been to Sam clean as128701:25:44,250 --> 01:25:46,890well. I presume unless it was animposter.128801:25:47,460 --> 01:25:49,740Dave Jones: well ahead of my lbwallet I feel like a cheapskate128901:25:50,970 --> 01:25:52,860Adam Curry: Wait What happenedto your lb wallet man?129001:25:54,450 --> 01:25:55,260Unknown: No, it's dry.129101:25:56,460 --> 01:26:01,620Adam Curry: No more powder 7777from Mike Newman striper to129201:26:01,620 --> 01:26:06,300boost value times with boostedgroovy kuleana on a Friday129301:26:06,300 --> 01:26:11,730afternoon. That's right hard fat3333 We got sir TJ the raffle129401:26:12,900 --> 01:26:18,9009999 And he says boosting isloving let me see I have that129501:26:18,900 --> 01:26:22,530somewhere. Boosting is lovingThere you go. Thanks all129601:26:22,530 --> 01:26:27,990involved in the making ofpodcast 2.0k TLD keep the lid129701:26:27,990 --> 01:26:28,320down129801:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,660Dave Jones: that's right. Iforgot about that. Yeah, I think129901:26:33,660 --> 01:26:35,670we actually in church especiallyhere in church.130001:26:35,700 --> 01:26:42,990Adam Curry: Yeah, we yes inchurch is down. 2121 from130101:26:42,990 --> 01:26:46,650McIntosh Oh, you had to 2120ones Dave I looked at the130201:26:46,650 --> 01:26:49,500schema. What's the name of thesuper busy table thought it was130301:26:49,500 --> 01:26:51,990an episode but I don't see it.And then he says you literally130401:26:51,990 --> 01:26:59,190answered the question. Gopodcasting. Boom 808 for Mr.130501:26:59,190 --> 01:27:03,210Robot sending some Bob's overhere for testing my man boobs130601:27:03,210 --> 01:27:06,930but I don't know running withscissors. 9999 for Mr. Robot,130701:27:06,930 --> 01:27:09,420the boys are back in townbetween podcasting. 2.0 and the130801:27:09,420 --> 01:27:13,560boosted ground ball five by fivenostrils got nothing on this. Go130901:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,750podcasting. Todd Cochrane 10,000sets can IPFS scale to petabytes131001:27:18,750 --> 01:27:24,930per day. Only one way to findout Todd? Probably not right131101:27:24,930 --> 01:27:25,890now. I don't think131201:27:26,879 --> 01:27:28,199Dave Jones: I don't think it canscale.131301:27:28,980 --> 01:27:31,230Adam Curry: Unlimited. I mean,technically.131401:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,610Dave Jones: It's like lightningin that in that regard. Yeah. I131501:27:35,610 --> 01:27:37,980mean, there's not there's notreally an upper limit. As long131601:27:37,980 --> 01:27:40,800as the nodes are there. It'sbecause it's shared bandwidth.131701:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,130It's, it's shared like it's nowshared is not the131801:27:44,130 --> 01:27:46,170Unknown: right word.Distributed.131901:27:48,780 --> 01:27:51,390Dave Jones: I am unsatisfiedwith all these terms that I'm132001:27:51,390 --> 01:27:52,080trying to use. I have132101:27:52,080 --> 01:27:57,330Adam Curry: a five gigabit fiberconnection. And so it'll it'll132201:27:57,330 --> 01:28:00,180come down to machine performanceand drive performance I guess132301:28:00,180 --> 01:28:06,330before before I saturate that17,776 From blueberry can't132401:28:06,330 --> 01:28:09,390speak highly enough of the splitkit the split kit.com We can132501:28:09,390 --> 01:28:12,210drop new art on the fly buildnew chapters for the topic at132601:28:12,210 --> 01:28:15,210hand play bootable music all itwill. It's fantastic. Thank you,132701:28:15,210 --> 01:28:18,120Steven B for allowing me to feellike I'm back out on tour132801:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,060running shows. No, that's right.132901:28:21,390 --> 01:28:24,480Dave Jones: I didn't knowbourbon. Or is it okay to have133001:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,730blueberry here in the sanctuary?That's a little.133101:28:29,190 --> 01:28:34,800Adam Curry: Here's Cameron with55,555 Who knew value for value133201:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,890was all it took to make selfhosting slash crowd hosting133301:28:37,890 --> 01:28:43,290possible. There it is. MagicCameron, you created magic133401:28:43,290 --> 01:28:47,490brother, Chad F 3650. This ishow many sets I made for my IPFS133501:28:47,490 --> 01:28:54,540node. Wow. That's your bed. Abuck. Sweet. Love that. Sir.133601:28:54,540 --> 01:28:59,610Brian have London PhD. 41,948.Israeli boost. I have to talk to133701:28:59,610 --> 01:29:02,580Dave next week about IPFS.Meantime, I'm Mark saved from133801:29:02,580 --> 01:29:07,350exploding lithium batteries on aboat and back to Israel. We're133901:29:07,350 --> 01:29:10,710glad you're alive. Good. Good tohear it. Yes. There's the clip134001:29:10,710 --> 01:29:17,280custodian coming in with 100,000SATs. Hey, Neil, nice, man.134101:29:17,280 --> 01:29:22,080Thank you, Neil. Thank you. Hey,just says has no note just the134201:29:22,080 --> 01:29:22,470boost.134301:29:23,130 --> 01:29:25,560Dave Jones: That's great guy. Wehad lunch one day. He is a134401:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,440Adam Curry: great great guy.10,000 SATs from see Brooklyn134501:29:28,440 --> 01:29:33,780112 I liked this stuff. Gopodcasting. Then we have Mike134601:29:33,780 --> 01:29:37,080Newman. Whoa, Mike Newman gets abig ass baller boost.134701:29:37,110 --> 01:29:45,630202 111,120 is Blaze. Only himPaula. Great having the band134801:29:45,630 --> 01:29:49,830back together. That's it. That'sthe moose go podcasting. Man.134901:29:49,830 --> 01:29:53,100Thank you. Wow, that's it.That's the boost. That's the135001:29:53,100 --> 01:29:59,970boost right there was 12,121from dreads Dred Scott pew pew.135101:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,590Boom, you got it to 33,333 fromEric peepee and there's Dred135201:30:04,590 --> 01:30:12,720Scott with 121,212 pre showboosts hope you guys are well go135301:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,270podcasting. Thank you dripalways there helping us out.135401:30:15,960 --> 01:30:21,150Pfeiffer 6666 Go cod Pat Coddpassing trying to mess me up135501:30:21,150 --> 01:30:28,260aren't you? absurdity and with3333 the pod sage so now be135601:30:28,260 --> 01:30:31,980called the Oracle of knowledge.Dave dropped some knowledge on135701:30:31,980 --> 01:30:35,640the last show go podcasting isOracle College.135801:30:36,720 --> 01:30:37,710Dave Jones: Don't know aboutthat.135901:30:37,740 --> 01:30:42,030Adam Curry: And let's see. Andthen the last pre show booth136001:30:42,030 --> 01:30:46,41017,776 from blueberry the elitesdon't want you to know. But the136101:30:46,410 --> 01:30:49,080goats in the green room aredead. You can massacre them as136201:30:49,080 --> 01:30:54,600we have 761 Dead goats. Okay,yeah, you're right, blueberry. I136301:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,420don't know if we can have minsanctuary's you're not allowed136401:30:57,420 --> 01:31:03,510if you want to thank some otherpeople that we had come in, or136501:31:03,510 --> 01:31:04,740what do you want to do? I wouldlove136601:31:04,740 --> 01:31:09,270Dave Jones: to Yeah, we can.Let's do a full let's do it.136701:31:11,340 --> 01:31:17,130Yeah, the boys from BuzzsproutBSB $500.136801:31:17,220 --> 01:31:22,950Adam Curry: Oh, man. Thank youso much. Play on I am Paula136901:31:22,950 --> 01:31:26,430highly appreciated. The boysfrom butterscotch proud. Thank137001:31:26,430 --> 01:31:26,670you.137101:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,650Dave Jones: They gotta becooking up something they've137201:31:28,650 --> 01:31:31,350been 2.0 silent for. I didn'ttoo long.137301:31:31,379 --> 01:31:36,899Adam Curry: I did an interviewwith for the Buzzsprout podcast.137401:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,580Dave Jones: Oh, Alban. WithAlban? Yeah, yeah, how'd that137501:31:41,580 --> 01:31:43,650go? I haven't listened to thatepisode yet.137601:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,860Adam Curry: It's actually one ofthose interviews where he got a137701:31:46,860 --> 01:31:49,500lot out of me that I haven'ttold before on shows just137801:31:49,500 --> 01:31:53,190different stories. That's kindof hard to do. I mean, I know137901:31:53,190 --> 01:31:56,820Tina is like, so you tell allyour stories again, to know138001:31:56,820 --> 01:31:59,730these were some new stories.Funny enough? Yeah. I like he's138101:31:59,730 --> 01:32:03,390a nice guy. sweet guy. Yeah, alot. A lot. It was all about138201:32:03,390 --> 01:32:05,310podcasting. So if you'reinterested in that.138301:32:07,230 --> 01:32:09,870Dave Jones: Yeah. So bottom uppodcast from being out of town.138401:32:10,950 --> 01:32:18,360Yeah, thanks. Thanks. JesseAnderson $33. Thank you, Jesse.138501:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,470Very nice. That's a one timearound the pay pals. And we got138601:32:23,640 --> 01:32:29,730Brendan at pod page. Ah, $25 amonth subscription, which really138701:32:29,730 --> 01:32:31,080helps. Thank You page.138801:32:31,110 --> 01:32:35,370Adam Curry: Thank you, Brendan.Yep. So I just funny story, I138901:32:35,370 --> 01:32:38,430had Korean the keeper runningover on pod page, which actually139001:32:38,430 --> 01:32:41,430cleaned up nicely. And thenbecause it's so easy, you just139101:32:41,430 --> 01:32:44,220have to have an RSS feed and youcreate a website, you can139201:32:44,220 --> 01:32:47,160connect your your domain name toit. And so I did that for139301:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,420booster Graham ball. And youhave to when you want to connect139401:32:51,420 --> 01:32:54,960to a domain name, it's likethere's an extra fee because of139501:32:54,960 --> 01:32:59,580the SSL bull crap they got toput on there. And so you139601:32:59,580 --> 01:33:02,730actually send an email and thenlike, half of the companies139701:33:02,730 --> 01:33:05,880emailing me back like hey, socool. We love this. And then139801:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,270Brendan's like, Hey, man, youknow, this is motivating me, I139901:33:09,270 --> 01:33:13,080gotta I gotta step up and putsome tags into this. And so we140001:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,450came up with a whole bunch oftags that are supported. I140101:33:15,450 --> 01:33:18,750haven't messed around with themyet. But now also supporting the140201:33:18,750 --> 01:33:21,240show and the project. Thank youso much, man. Appreciate it.140301:33:21,750 --> 01:33:24,150Dave Jones: Yeah, it was nice tosee it's nicely cut. I mean, it140401:33:24,150 --> 01:33:28,620was oh my gosh, six or seveneight tags. I'm like that not140501:33:28,740 --> 01:33:33,120not a bad quite a few. Yeah,routing. Yeah. See, we've got140601:33:33,150 --> 01:33:37,650Oh, we got some boosts we got1001 set from absurd. Audient140701:33:37,710 --> 01:33:40,470Thank you. There's gonna be abunch of booths here. No notes.140801:33:40,500 --> 01:33:45,120Thank you. I am robot 3333. Alittle pre show booth for the140901:33:45,120 --> 01:33:50,220board meeting. Get 22 to 22 bigroad ducks from Eric BP through141001:33:50,220 --> 01:33:55,830the booths CLI. Thank you to oldschool 20 To 22 from the141101:33:55,830 --> 01:34:00,030tricolor that's probably thesweet reader Strickler. He says141201:34:00,060 --> 01:34:03,930go podcasting tag. You're it?Yeah, thank you. Oh, here's a141301:34:03,930 --> 01:34:07,8002222 from blueberry. He saysspend a summer at Middleton141401:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,130plantation in Charleston SouthCarolina. Blacksmithing 10 out141501:34:11,130 --> 01:34:13,770of 10 would recommend if you'dlike it hot, heavy and dirty.141601:34:14,310 --> 01:34:15,960Adam Curry: Just give some ducksfor these people.141701:34:20,910 --> 01:34:23,760Dave Jones: 22 to 22 a big rowof ducks from Uber he says141801:34:23,970 --> 01:34:28,170speaking speaking of chaptersbased off the testing I did over141901:34:28,170 --> 01:34:31,380the weekend you can take onesick one second just as stack142001:34:31,380 --> 01:34:33,570them one he's142101:34:33,660 --> 01:34:37,260Adam Curry: he's doing animationkind of like a cinema Tron. So142201:34:38,940 --> 01:34:43,290we do a chapter image a newchapter every one second and142301:34:43,290 --> 01:34:48,390then it animates. Nice he'shaving too much fun with a split142401:34:48,390 --> 01:34:49,920kit is my is my idea.142501:34:50,460 --> 01:34:52,650Dave Jones: Okay, I think Ithink we've met a read that one142601:34:52,650 --> 01:34:57,270on the last show. Actually. Wemight have Yeah, on the oh, here142701:34:57,270 --> 01:35:02,370we go. Oh Nitin. Edie 10,000says he says cuz it's Friday you142801:35:02,370 --> 01:35:07,200ain't got no job and you ain'tgot shit to do. Doesn't says142901:35:07,200 --> 01:35:12,060they can? That's awesome man.Yeah sir TJ the raffle 9999 says143001:35:12,060 --> 01:35:15,060they bought versus so excitedfor value for value music it's143101:35:15,060 --> 01:35:16,620all about the value not themoney.143201:35:16,710 --> 01:35:19,110Adam Curry: That's right sir.It's just feeling the value.143301:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,670Dave Jones: Oh he says so hereSir Alex gates, the podcasting143401:35:23,670 --> 01:35:27,2102.0 consultant he says 12,000SATs and he says already143501:35:27,210 --> 01:35:31,320considering adding PGP keys tofeeds for pod bean verification.143601:35:32,040 --> 01:35:32,820Unknown: Sexy143701:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,310Adam Curry: Can I email you canI email the pod ping the143801:35:40,170 --> 01:35:40,710encrypted143901:35:41,220 --> 01:35:43,770Dave Jones: you can send emailyeah pipe things by email that's144001:35:43,770 --> 01:35:50,580a great idea. 17 717 776 fromblueberry to fountain he says144101:35:50,580 --> 01:35:55,230Adam I was wanting to hook upboost bot to a shot caller that144201:35:55,230 --> 01:35:58,830we you already read we we did.I'm trying to find the cut off144301:35:58,830 --> 01:36:02,700point here and let's see cuz itwas the time zones got messed144401:36:02,700 --> 01:36:07,290up. See 2222 from calmMcCormick's is cherry on top144501:36:07,290 --> 01:36:11,070gives me Avril Levine vibes.Total hit boosting is loving.144601:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,320Interesting. Welcome, Steve.144701:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,450Adam Curry: I think I think we Ithink we played that one too.144801:36:17,040 --> 01:36:17,850Yeah, thanks. So144901:36:19,140 --> 01:36:23,940Dave Jones: this is like 7:45pmOh, maybe I'm wrong. I don't145001:36:23,940 --> 01:36:26,850know. Steve Wilkinson. Greatsong go podcasting. 2.0 music145101:36:26,850 --> 01:36:34,2602.0 Yes. Podcast. 41st 67 saysthank you. Steve Wilkinson,145201:36:34,260 --> 01:36:40,050John's BRT, 25,000 SATs throughfountain no note 50,000 SATs145301:36:40,050 --> 01:36:44,370from Khalil, nice to fountain hesays love the response to the145401:36:44,370 --> 01:36:47,580Google guy with the podcastdefinition. My observation in145501:36:47,580 --> 01:36:50,910Germany is that people ingeneral now define a podcast as145601:36:50,910 --> 01:36:54,780a talk show on YouTube, in whichthe people talk into podcast145701:36:54,780 --> 01:36:57,540mics and have headphones oninstead of being miked properly145801:36:57,540 --> 01:36:58,230for video.145901:37:00,570 --> 01:37:01,680Adam Curry: sounds right to me.146001:37:02,610 --> 01:37:04,950Dave Jones: And many of theseshows are only available on146101:37:04,950 --> 01:37:07,950YouTube. It's understandable toan extent because how would they146201:37:07,950 --> 01:37:11,850know but also infuriatingbecause YouTube is pushing this146301:37:11,850 --> 01:37:14,760on purpose? Because it's moreshows for them for cheap.146401:37:14,910 --> 01:37:18,540Adam Curry: Yeah, but it's notworking. No one's having any146501:37:18,540 --> 01:37:21,750success with that. It's just notand now tick tock is doing146601:37:21,750 --> 01:37:23,880something tick tock. You don'tstop.146701:37:24,660 --> 01:37:29,790Dave Jones: Yeah, and that'll itleast that's RSS based. So yeah,146801:37:29,820 --> 01:37:31,950Adam Curry: it's a promotionaltool. I guess that would work.146901:37:32,130 --> 01:37:32,850Yeah, yeah.147001:37:33,630 --> 01:37:36,690Dave Jones: Mere Mortalspodcast. 2222. Our buddy Karen147101:37:36,690 --> 01:37:40,620found through found nappy saysAdam, just FYI. Joshua Dennis147201:37:40,620 --> 01:37:44,040has an IPFS podcast calledpodcasting for value. He's on147301:37:44,040 --> 01:37:47,040the PI Mastodon, I believe. Iremember he was having to147401:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,370troubleshoot a lot. So I havesome useful info if you walk147501:37:50,370 --> 01:37:51,720into some scissors.147601:37:52,800 --> 01:37:56,520Adam Curry: Yeah, I rememberlooking at it, but I don't think147701:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,130it has I don't know where tolook at it again.147801:38:00,510 --> 01:38:06,420Dave Jones: Kevin Bay 10,000says great rock pop tune as a 20147901:38:06,420 --> 01:38:08,760to 22 from Gene Everett saysboost148001:38:08,820 --> 01:38:11,550Unknown: Yeah, we got to boostright here. Boost.148101:38:12,210 --> 01:38:19,410Dave Jones: Jake l Jack. Jake lstr is send us a big long row of148201:38:19,410 --> 01:38:24,960Richards 11111 Whoa. Boostingthe song username is pronounced148301:38:24,990 --> 01:38:27,540Jake Lester Oh, where it ispronunciation and then Jake148401:38:27,540 --> 01:38:33,690Lester. Dave. All right. Boost.Thank you, Jake. In WD and 5000148501:38:33,690 --> 01:38:39,240says like the song cherry on topYeah, Instagram. Small Sehgal148601:38:39,240 --> 01:38:44,130Richard sorry Joe. Joel who dofountain know note. Boost boost148701:38:44,130 --> 01:38:48,630boost 3333 from bad careeradvice. Chad. He says AI is not148801:38:48,630 --> 01:38:52,260innovation. It is supplication.It's begging you not to give up148901:38:52,260 --> 01:38:59,430and exit the system. Dave JonesThe extreme split that went up149001:38:59,460 --> 01:39:06,840having Amsterdam Boomer 626 500.SAS go podcasting fee for V go149101:39:06,840 --> 01:39:07,560podcast.149201:39:08,310 --> 01:39:09,810Unknown: Yeah, baby V from V.149301:39:11,340 --> 01:39:14,160Dave Jones: Becker vice Chadback again. 10,000 Saasu found149401:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,950he says absolutely incredible. Vfour v needs a lot more quality149501:39:16,950 --> 01:39:21,720music like this. I don't knowwhat song that was. Yet. Yeah,149601:39:21,720 --> 01:39:25,050this is the problem. We'regetting there. Down there. Of149701:39:25,050 --> 01:39:30,600course. Jeff 10,000 sets the podverse he says Welcome to pay for149801:39:30,600 --> 01:39:31,710value Ainsley.149901:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,460Adam Curry: I think she had agood experience. is150001:39:35,490 --> 01:39:39,930Dave Jones: clearly Jean being2222 Row ducks these cast Maddix150101:39:39,930 --> 01:39:43,590is bring on booster Graham ball.Well it was brought yes it was150201:39:44,910 --> 01:39:49,620Jean beans another 10,000 says Ilove the value music. We all do.150301:39:49,620 --> 01:39:53,790Gene we all love it man. And hegives another 10,000 It says150401:39:53,790 --> 01:39:56,430enjoying the song and glad tosee more people taking a chance150501:39:56,430 --> 01:40:03,270on value for value. BoostCaptain egghead 18 110 SATs150601:40:03,270 --> 01:40:05,490through pod versus this timesplitting boosting with POD150701:40:05,490 --> 01:40:07,950verse F droid 4.13150801:40:07,980 --> 01:40:09,900Unknown: Yeah, baby F droidstream150901:40:11,969 --> 01:40:15,689Dave Jones: Halleck 1000 SATsthe founder says never apologize151001:40:15,689 --> 01:40:18,539for the downer talk Dave. Itreally resonated with me. Okay.151101:40:20,159 --> 01:40:23,999I feel like I go on and onsometimes and I get boring.151201:40:24,389 --> 01:40:27,419Unknown: No, no, no, no, no, no,no not not at all.151301:40:27,450 --> 01:40:31,800Dave Jones: My only problem withpivot is I want more pivot. Yes,151401:40:31,830 --> 01:40:36,930that's, that's everybody'sproblem. Nomad Joe 1000 SATs151501:40:36,930 --> 01:40:42,150through. Fountain he saysantiwar.com Megan. Thank you.151601:40:42,270 --> 01:40:47,010Oh, Ron Plouffe? The the app formentioned on the previous show.151701:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,580That's right. Creator of thestats pages. 50,000 SATs. Oh,151801:40:50,580 --> 01:40:54,120nice, man. Thank you. The familysays not related to David151901:40:54,120 --> 01:40:54,630Plouffe.152001:40:56,130 --> 01:40:57,990Adam Curry: We're sorry aboutthat. I'm so sorry.152101:40:59,670 --> 01:41:02,490Dave Jones: Not related to DavidPlouffe but glad to be the152201:41:02,490 --> 01:41:04,350podcast and people know statsguy152301:41:04,380 --> 01:41:07,620Unknown: yeah, yes. That's guy.Give152401:41:07,710 --> 01:41:11,010Dave Jones: Dave Ronnie's a tshirt. People know stats guy.152501:41:11,280 --> 01:41:17,010Yes. Jean been 4096 to 4k killerboost to gas man. He says I'm a152601:41:17,010 --> 01:41:21,030big fan of log SEC blog seekalso Dave. They also have an152701:41:21,030 --> 01:41:24,540open collective based paid tierthat enables thinking too hard152801:41:24,540 --> 01:41:29,910to look back at that and thenJean being 2222 says PGP is152901:41:29,910 --> 01:41:32,460great but not for the nontechies average people will not153001:41:32,460 --> 01:41:35,940be interested in dealing withit. Well, I think that that153101:41:35,940 --> 01:41:37,050could be obscured right?153201:41:37,380 --> 01:41:38,400Adam Curry: I mean, say153301:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,180Dave Jones: again you PGPputting that in the in the feed153401:41:42,390 --> 01:41:45,750for the authentication stuff?Yeah. I think that could be a153501:41:45,750 --> 01:41:51,600string Nomad Joe 1000 SATs he'sjust a sweet thumbs up.153601:41:52,140 --> 01:41:56,940bombshell. Just listening fivedevices want to look at splits153701:41:56,940 --> 01:42:00,630it hasn't changed in thefountain nap. A we're getting153801:42:00,630 --> 01:42:04,530there man. Okay, we're gettingthere. We are. Mere Mortals153901:42:04,530 --> 01:42:08,280podcast 2222 says along thelines of Dave's reading. Another154001:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,070decent book I'd recommend isamusing ourselves to death. Of154101:42:11,070 --> 01:42:16,890course. Postman postman is verybook slightly older 1985 But154201:42:16,890 --> 01:42:19,800accurately paints a picture ofhow various mediums such as TV154301:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,320by their very nature allow ordon't allow for serious154401:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,350discourse, disrespect theaudience and are trending154501:42:25,350 --> 01:42:28,950individuals to a Huxley intodystopia has given me lots of154601:42:28,950 --> 01:42:32,820food for thought to use on the Vfor V podcast. If Thanks,154701:42:32,820 --> 01:42:40,830brother. Thanks, man. Oh, whoa.Cal a bear 350,000 says154801:42:49,260 --> 01:42:52,470Adam Curry: double baller Whatis this? What is going on or154901:42:52,470 --> 01:42:54,090booze? What is going on?155001:42:54,390 --> 01:42:57,060Dave Jones: While myintergalactic boombox podcast is155101:42:57,060 --> 01:43:00,450on hiatus, I wonder whatconspiracy would my resident155201:43:00,450 --> 01:43:04,260conspiracy theorist would say? Iwanted to boost my support to155301:43:04,260 --> 01:43:07,110this show and express myexcitement for booster Graham155401:43:07,110 --> 01:43:10,590ball as submitted some vostingers and look forward to155501:43:10,590 --> 01:43:13,800hearing some more awesome tunesthrough podcasting 2.0 Kyle a155601:43:13,800 --> 01:43:14,160bear155701:43:14,220 --> 01:43:17,820Adam Curry: he did let me see Ihad the ground where do you put155801:43:17,850 --> 01:43:20,790what do you what he gave me? Hegave me some really cool ones.155901:43:23,580 --> 01:43:27,300Of course I'm falling down onthe job now trying to give me it156001:43:27,300 --> 01:43:31,500was funny because he sent me hesaid hey, I got some stingers156101:43:31,500 --> 01:43:34,590for you. So he sent me theStingers as all booster Graham156201:43:34,590 --> 01:43:38,910corner. I'm like, hey man, Ireally appreciate it. But you156301:43:38,910 --> 01:43:43,860know that's kind of James'sthing is like and he said Oh no,156401:43:43,860 --> 01:43:48,540I'm I'm I'm a total Dumbo Ican't believe it. I was just156501:43:48,540 --> 01:43:52,080confused for a moment so he sentme stuff like this booster grin156601:43:52,080 --> 01:43:52,860bull.156701:43:54,420 --> 01:44:02,130Dave Jones: Booster gram ballHey guys got156801:44:02,130 --> 01:44:05,310Unknown: pipes. And then thisone this one oh stone stone156901:44:05,310 --> 01:44:09,960screws to grab ball. Yeah, Ilove that. Great stuff, man.157001:44:09,960 --> 01:44:10,950Thank you love it.157101:44:10,980 --> 01:44:14,430Dave Jones: That's killer. See,oh, I hope you didn't pay him157201:44:14,430 --> 01:44:16,680for those because that means hewould be a scab. He would be157301:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,790violating the Oh,157401:44:17,910 --> 01:44:20,910Adam Curry: no, no, no can't dothat. No, never never. I never157501:44:20,910 --> 01:44:23,130pay for anything keep us safeknowing pay for gas.157601:44:26,010 --> 01:44:28,980Dave Jones: Anonymous 13,000says the gas medics is loved. I157701:44:29,010 --> 01:44:33,150loved Dave's talk about AGI butI think the discovery of Bitcoin157801:44:33,510 --> 01:44:36,240is demonstrated that a smallamount of code arranged right157901:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,940can still discover worldchanging technologies.158001:44:38,970 --> 01:44:41,850Unknown: Absolutely. Absolutely.158101:44:42,540 --> 01:44:46,080Dave Jones: The podcaster saysgreat morning track 500 says158201:44:46,080 --> 01:44:51,330thank you podcaster. See baba,baba BombBomb and 10,000 SATs158301:44:51,330 --> 01:44:56,550says from a Chris You know, Iknow him but yeah, we all know158401:44:56,550 --> 01:44:59,100Chris. The pod versus isawesome. Hope to hear more.158501:44:59,100 --> 01:45:05,490Thanks. Thank you. Welcome 5151from River City mystery through158601:45:05,490 --> 01:45:08,160fountain he says go podcastingalien face.158701:45:10,469 --> 01:45:11,519Adam Curry: Alien face.158801:45:14,040 --> 01:45:17,700Dave Jones: More log 11 711through pod verse no notes.158901:45:17,700 --> 01:45:22,410Thank you Borlaug. 1000 from ourDavis at seven to boosting for a159001:45:22,410 --> 01:45:24,390day with Dave Jones. Thank youfor your courage,159101:45:25,500 --> 01:45:27,420Adam Curry: which includes lunchand a massage.159201:45:27,690 --> 01:45:30,750Dave Jones: Yes, yes. Massage,not by me.159301:45:31,170 --> 01:45:34,320Adam Curry: 1 million Satoshislunch and a zoom lunch and a159401:45:34,320 --> 01:45:35,010massage.159501:45:36,060 --> 01:45:41,250Dave Jones: You need to bumpthat number of Cochran 100,000159601:45:41,250 --> 01:45:41,790sets.159701:45:42,120 --> 01:45:44,100Unknown: Todd, thank you,brother.159801:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,450Dave Jones: Do the found nappysays hey, gents just finished up159901:45:48,450 --> 01:45:50,760attending a pretty comprehensiveartificial intelligence160001:45:50,760 --> 01:45:53,730conference. Don't worry, theworld's not ending. The160101:45:53,730 --> 01:45:56,370marketing folks are worriedabout their jobs. Go podcasting.160201:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,840You guys heard160301:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,000Adam Curry: about an hour of thenew media show was about that160401:46:03,030 --> 01:46:03,540about?160501:46:04,860 --> 01:46:07,410Dave Jones: I listened to Yeah.Yeah. That was it was good. It160601:46:07,410 --> 01:46:08,040was informative. It160701:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,650Adam Curry: was veryinformative. Yes, it was. And to160801:46:10,650 --> 01:46:14,520me, it's just, this is all bullcrap. Who cares? It's like, I160901:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,600don't see any value in. I mean,yeah, as a tool for some things.161001:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,180But no,161101:46:21,690 --> 01:46:26,100Dave Jones: my favorite is see,I go back to this mental model I161201:46:26,100 --> 01:46:30,120have where so So Todd said thathe wrote a blog post by giving161301:46:30,120 --> 01:46:34,860it say, Okay, here's, like, oneof the chat GPT like, like161401:46:34,860 --> 01:46:37,950system SeeSnake you know,here's, here's, here's a fact161501:46:37,950 --> 01:46:40,410here's a fact here's a factthese are the points I want to161601:46:40,410 --> 01:46:43,440make now write a blog post andthen he went and cleaned it up161701:46:43,440 --> 01:46:49,110and everything. So this thiswhole model of doing things161801:46:50,040 --> 01:46:56,250wasn't was exposed because Jamessaid that he takes these press161901:46:56,250 --> 01:47:00,660releases and and then puts themthrough jet GBT and says this162001:47:00,660 --> 01:47:03,900short animation of what thismeans so you've got the guy on162101:47:03,900 --> 01:47:07,020the front end say you know,saying write me a blog post and162201:47:07,020 --> 01:47:09,240then you got the gal on theother end saying take this blog162301:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,840post and tell me what it means.And basically it's just the the162401:47:12,840 --> 01:47:16,260actual blog post is just anenvelope.162501:47:18,360 --> 01:47:19,770Unknown: That's right. It's sotrue.162601:47:21,180 --> 01:47:24,990Dave Jones: Scott is Cora giveus the Van Halen boost 5150162701:47:24,990 --> 01:47:31,560through fountain he says greatvoice run and catchy. Thank you.162801:47:31,830 --> 01:47:36,240Whoo anonymous 10,000 SastraCasta Matic no note, Franco Oh,162901:47:36,240 --> 01:47:37,440Unknown: there's your buddyFrance Franco163001:47:37,440 --> 01:47:42,690Dave Jones: 1000 says his babysays this is the very first163101:47:42,690 --> 01:47:45,000value time split boost tip Oh,163201:47:45,780 --> 01:47:46,710Adam Curry: he's got to work and163301:47:47,580 --> 01:47:50,100Dave Jones: this is the veryfirst value time slip boost test163401:47:50,100 --> 01:47:53,370from Casta Matic running blindon a wet floor with very pointy163501:47:53,370 --> 01:47:54,000scissors163601:47:54,330 --> 01:47:57,450Unknown: Vamsi Oh, nice. I toldyou he was doing it.163701:47:58,500 --> 01:48:00,780Dave Jones: Okay, I'm gettingthere. Frank. I'm gonna make163801:48:00,780 --> 01:48:05,760this easier for you man. Give meGive me Tom This is amazing. I'm163901:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,230so glad to see him working onthat.164001:48:07,260 --> 01:48:09,480Adam Curry: What was it what wasthat mind you said again running164101:48:09,510 --> 01:48:10,890on a wet floor what164201:48:11,970 --> 01:48:14,220Dave Jones: was he a runner awet floor with very pointy164301:48:14,220 --> 01:48:14,640scissors.164401:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,970Unknown: That's very cool. Yeah.164501:48:19,980 --> 01:48:26,160Dave Jones: 11 711 from Borlaugno note we got see oh, we164601:48:26,160 --> 01:48:29,100already got one. Oh, we got todelimiter various comic strip164701:48:29,100 --> 01:48:34,620blogger 30 3015 through fountainsays howdy Adam and Dave. One of164801:48:34,620 --> 01:48:39,600my top five hobbies apart from ai is drawing cartoons. So I164901:48:39,600 --> 01:48:44,430kindly invite everyone to visitwebsite with my cartoons at WWW165001:48:44,580 --> 01:48:49,410dot CSB dot lol and if you haveideas for cartoons that you'd165101:48:49,410 --> 01:48:52,740like me to draw, please sendthem to me via Twitter. Direct165201:48:52,740 --> 01:48:57,870Message at Twitter handle CSB.Yo CSB. God extra165301:48:57,870 --> 01:48:58,560Unknown: blog.165401:49:00,900 --> 01:49:04,860Adam Curry: Thank you CSB. Andthat's the monthlies. Yeah,165501:49:04,980 --> 01:49:07,950Dave Jones: yep, yep, yep. Yep.We've got Cameron Rose $25 Thank165601:49:07,950 --> 01:49:13,140you. Camera cash. He ChadPharaoh $20.20. Thank you, Chad.165701:49:13,140 --> 01:49:16,740You're all over the place due tolevy. James Sullivan $10165801:49:16,740 --> 01:49:21,870Christopher Re. Remer $10. ShawnMcCune $20 Thank you, Sean165901:49:22,650 --> 01:49:26,760Campbell con glass Buck $5Jordan Dunnville $10. Michael166001:49:26,760 --> 01:49:34,320Kimmer $5.33 Dred Scott. BruceWayne is podcasting. $15 Pedro166101:49:34,320 --> 01:49:39,270can calvess $5 JeffreyRutherford. $5 Scott Jalbert $12166201:49:39,720 --> 01:49:44,010Mark Graham $1 Martin, Lindascope $1 and Joseph maraca $5166301:49:44,010 --> 01:49:44,430And that's it.166401:49:44,610 --> 01:49:47,040Adam Curry: And thank you all somuch for supporting podcasting166501:49:47,040 --> 01:49:52,0202.0 The entire project, thepodcast, everything that that we166601:49:52,020 --> 01:49:55,860bring to you that is supportedby you and that is incredibly166701:49:55,860 --> 01:49:58,560appreciated. Go to podcastindex.org down at the bottom you166801:49:58,560 --> 01:50:03,870have to read buttons I might aswell check the tally coin. And166901:50:03,870 --> 01:50:07,260when we see tally coin, one ofthem is for your Fiat fun167001:50:07,260 --> 01:50:13,290coupons. That is a seconddismiss up tally coin. That's167101:50:13,290 --> 01:50:16,830through PayPal. And of course,you can hit the tally coin if167201:50:16,830 --> 01:50:20,940you'd like to send something onchain. Nope, nothing on chain.167301:50:21,540 --> 01:50:24,630But really the way to do it. Andthe way to go is to get a modern167401:50:24,630 --> 01:50:28,110podcast app at podcast apps.com.Thank you Marcus couch for that.167501:50:28,470 --> 01:50:32,430And boost away boost as much asyou can boost often we love it.167601:50:32,760 --> 01:50:35,460And thank you again forsupplying us with the treasure167701:50:35,460 --> 01:50:38,550part of time, talent andtreasure. Have value for value167801:50:38,550 --> 01:50:41,790if you want more value for valuevalue number four value dot167901:50:41,790 --> 01:50:44,940info. Okay,168001:50:45,599 --> 01:50:51,419Dave Jones: did you hear? I readthis article? The future of TV168101:50:51,419 --> 01:50:54,689briefing how top streamers adprices have trended in this168201:50:54,689 --> 01:50:56,519year's upfront negotiations?168301:50:56,940 --> 01:50:59,580Adam Curry: No, no. Did you sendme this? I don't think you sent168401:50:59,580 --> 01:51:00,390me this article.168501:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,590Dave Jones: I thought it did.Maybe I didn't. Okay. It says168601:51:04,590 --> 01:51:07,470Netflix isn't the only streamingservice to have lowered its ad168701:51:07,470 --> 01:51:11,040prices during the years upfrontnegotiations. It's ad prices.168801:51:11,070 --> 01:51:15,300Oh, interesting. In fact, majorad supported streamers across168901:51:15,300 --> 01:51:17,610the board brought down theirrates according to agency169001:51:17,610 --> 01:51:21,510executives. agency executivesestimated that the amount of ad169101:51:21,510 --> 01:51:24,210dollars committed to streamingin this year is upfront,169201:51:24,780 --> 01:51:28,200increased by five to 10%. Buthow much advertisers stand to169301:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,690pay for each ad impression istrending in the opposite169401:51:30,690 --> 01:51:34,560direction. For the agencyexecutives major ad supported169501:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,330streamers rolled back their adprices by five to 10%. Wow, more169601:51:39,330 --> 01:51:44,970like 10% for premium products atone agency executive. Wow. So169701:51:45,180 --> 01:51:47,460this this goes there's a lot ofgood information in here. So169801:51:47,460 --> 01:51:53,820this so before this is like thisis last year, so Disney in the169901:51:53,820 --> 01:52:01,020summer of 2022 Disney plus waspaying was was getting $50 CPM.170001:52:01,770 --> 01:52:06,750That's okay. Now they're in the30s to mid 40s.170101:52:08,850 --> 01:52:12,570Adam Curry: I've heard fromquite a reliable source that the170201:52:12,570 --> 01:52:15,600streaming companies aredelighted with the writer and170301:52:15,600 --> 01:52:21,000actors strike strikes, becausethey Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, but170401:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,250could not have come at a bettertime for them. They're170501:52:23,250 --> 01:52:26,970rejiggering they're using thistime to figure out what's170601:52:26,970 --> 01:52:29,970valuable in their alreadyexisting catalog and from my170701:52:29,970 --> 01:52:33,960information. The strike couldlast well into the new year.170801:52:35,730 --> 01:52:37,650Time to start a podcast people170901:52:38,280 --> 01:52:43,290Dave Jones: brutal Yeah, that isbrutal. That see. Net see171001:52:43,290 --> 01:52:49,830Netflix. Last year was $55 CPM.Now they're in the low to mid171101:52:49,830 --> 01:52:50,55040s171201:52:51,000 --> 01:52:52,710Adam Curry: Well, there's onlyone way there's only one way171301:52:52,860 --> 01:52:55,920it's all going to go down I meanthat's the problem with the CPM171401:52:55,920 --> 01:53:00,480model it's like how many CPMs Doyou want you know it's there's171501:53:00,480 --> 01:53:01,350so much171601:53:03,150 --> 01:53:05,190Dave Jones: let's see the motionthe risk171701:53:05,190 --> 01:53:07,320Adam Curry: is too muchinventory is not enough being171801:53:07,350 --> 01:53:09,450being filled up I'm sure howmuch inventory171901:53:09,450 --> 01:53:11,580Dave Jones: yet what it says Forstarters, this year's upfront172001:53:11,580 --> 01:53:13,920market overall was softer thanlast year is given the economic172101:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,980downturn as sellers were moreconcerned with securing an172201:53:16,980 --> 01:53:20,640overall volume of dollars asopposed to pushing up their172301:53:20,640 --> 01:53:24,210prices per ad. Moreover, inaccordance with the law of172401:53:24,210 --> 01:53:27,870supply and demand sellers simplyhave more streaming inventory to172501:53:27,870 --> 01:53:33,390sell. We thought we seen thatpricing come down as they grow172601:53:33,390 --> 01:53:38,610some scale set a second exitagency executive Yeah, I mean172701:53:38,610 --> 01:53:45,300the more the more you producethe like the the I think the if172801:53:45,300 --> 01:53:49,860you try to take these seasonsand go from like six episodes172901:53:49,860 --> 01:53:53,550that they are now back up tolike 2527 episodes like it used173001:53:53,550 --> 01:53:55,470to be just make the problemworse.173101:53:56,490 --> 01:53:58,620Adam Curry: And that's theproblem with the writers than173201:53:58,620 --> 01:54:02,130not getting you know the toomany writers first of all,173301:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,700everyone look everybody lovedit. When the streamers were173401:54:05,700 --> 01:54:08,130flushed with cash they had allthe cheap money now the cheap173501:54:08,130 --> 01:54:10,770money's gone and oops, there's aproblem there's too many writers173601:54:10,770 --> 01:54:13,740it's probably too many actorsfor the amount of work that173701:54:13,740 --> 01:54:16,920there is and and the streamersare Silicon Valley guys we know173801:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,350their model give us yourcreativity. Here's nothing.173901:54:19,830 --> 01:54:23,460That's that's the model they'vethrive on. And for late night174001:54:23,460 --> 01:54:26,850TV, you know, that's all gone. Ithink people have not already174101:54:26,850 --> 01:54:30,930switched over to look watchingTik Tok and ignite embed, but174201:54:30,930 --> 01:54:35,250whatever. No, I think there'snever been a better time to174301:54:35,250 --> 01:54:42,480start a podcast. I mean, youmaybe even a video thing. I174401:54:42,480 --> 01:54:47,610mean, I wouldn't ever adviseanyone to go over to to YouTube174501:54:47,610 --> 01:54:51,240just because of the way theymess with your head. And I was174601:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,120like, Oh, you're popular. Good.Now we're going to be we're174701:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,460going to push you down in thealgorithm. If you don't create174801:54:56,460 --> 01:54:59,640more content, you know that theyput people on a hamster wheel.174901:55:00,690 --> 01:55:01,470So175001:55:01,679 --> 01:55:05,219Dave Jones: no those those guyslook ragged the ones that have175101:55:05,219 --> 01:55:08,159to produce content yes times aday everybody175201:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,560Adam Curry: has to once you toget started over there, you have175301:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,860to do it. Otherwise the algojust punishes you. It's175401:55:13,860 --> 01:55:16,590horrible. It's slavery, digitalslavery.175501:55:17,340 --> 01:55:20,970Dave Jones: This. So I've gotthis idea and we've briefly175601:55:20,970 --> 01:55:26,730discussed this on and off, like,for a while. Okay, but I think I175701:55:26,730 --> 01:55:32,340finally have an idea of what I'mgoing to do175801:55:32,970 --> 01:55:34,470Adam Curry: for your show foryour show.175901:55:34,889 --> 01:55:37,619Dave Jones: Oh, n n n n, andthis is on the API. Okay.176001:55:38,070 --> 01:55:40,200Adam Curry: Are you going to doyour show while I'm on vacation?176101:55:41,700 --> 01:55:44,670Dave Jones: I don't know. Okay.I don't know. I feel like I need176201:55:44,670 --> 01:55:46,470to do something. Because I mean,you're you're gonna be a176301:55:46,470 --> 01:55:47,700vacation for three weeks.176401:55:47,730 --> 01:55:50,520Adam Curry: Tina actually said,can she just sneak one in? I'm176501:55:50,520 --> 01:55:54,990on vacation. She wants me towork. Like, you know, you should176601:55:55,020 --> 01:55:55,890you should speak on.176701:55:57,060 --> 01:55:59,250Dave Jones: sneak one in. He'sjust sneak one in.176801:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,150Adam Curry: That was my overallplan on vacation, baby. Trust176901:56:03,150 --> 01:56:03,390me.177001:56:06,630 --> 01:56:09,330Unknown: One, why don't we go?There it is. There it is.177101:56:09,750 --> 01:56:15,480Dave Jones: Okay, so my idea isit here's Okay, here's the177201:56:15,480 --> 01:56:17,730problem I'm trying to solve andhold on.177301:56:19,650 --> 01:56:27,810Adam Curry: Let's let's do this.Right. Okay. Since this is a177401:56:27,810 --> 01:56:29,490secret thing you're talkingabout?177501:56:30,120 --> 01:56:30,990Dave Jones: Are we in a skiff?177601:56:34,560 --> 01:56:38,070Unknown: Where the skiff Yes.Short Skiff.177701:56:39,030 --> 01:56:43,200Dave Jones: Robert hours, Bobby,the k must be in here. We can't177801:56:43,200 --> 01:56:49,920have him talking where everybodyelse can hear. So if here's what177901:56:49,920 --> 01:56:56,970there's a problem I'm trying tosolve. I want to get I want to178001:56:57,030 --> 01:57:02,010have a popularity score. I don'tlike this word. I'm gonna say it178101:57:02,040 --> 01:57:08,070from the beginning. This is ashitty word. Okay. I don't care178201:57:08,070 --> 01:57:13,560about necessarily aboutpopularity. Okay. Let me log in.178301:57:13,560 --> 01:57:16,200Let me start over. It's notpopularity that I'm one of178401:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,890these. Okay, these are theseRancors and branch.178501:57:20,040 --> 01:57:23,070Adam Curry: I was just about tosay, You mean a rancor? Yes.178601:57:23,070 --> 01:57:27,990Dave Jones: I don't want arancor. Uh, but but there is178701:57:28,080 --> 01:57:36,270there is value in finding outwhat people listen to, you know,178801:57:36,270 --> 01:57:42,150on the regular? Because, if, Imean, if 50,000 People listen,178901:57:42,420 --> 01:57:46,230or subscribe to a podcast, Imean, it's, it's probably pretty179001:57:46,230 --> 01:57:51,510good. I mean, it's, it'sprobably decent content. So, you179101:57:51,510 --> 01:57:55,050know, versus something that'sbeen around for 10 years and 100179201:57:55,050 --> 01:57:58,170people subscribe to it. Justlike you, you can get you can179301:57:58,170 --> 01:58:01,500glean some stuff from this iswhat I'm trying to say. Okay.179401:58:02,880 --> 01:58:07,890So, we and that's thing, that'sa thing that we have never been179501:58:07,920 --> 01:58:16,980able to have, we don't know, ina direct way, what shows are179601:58:16,980 --> 01:58:21,450actually being subscribed to. Somy, you know, I've talked about179701:58:21,450 --> 01:58:26,220this before, I want a way to getsome of that information. So179801:58:26,220 --> 01:58:36,450that we can begin to make theindex feel the feel better and179901:58:36,450 --> 01:58:41,070give data back, like, hey,what's popular? What are people180001:58:41,070 --> 01:58:44,730listening to? What are the, youknow, what are these, like, give180101:58:44,730 --> 01:58:46,980some notion as to what otherpeople are doing?180201:58:47,010 --> 01:58:50,580Adam Curry: Can I Can I ask youa philosophical question? Since180301:58:50,580 --> 01:58:54,510we love since we're in theskiff. This is a new idea. I180401:58:54,510 --> 01:58:59,700love that by the way. Who areyou creating this score? I'm180501:58:59,700 --> 01:59:04,890just gonna call it the score forapps. Okay, that is180601:59:04,920 --> 01:59:08,070substantially different fromanything else. So I'm liking180701:59:08,070 --> 01:59:08,520that.180801:59:09,090 --> 01:59:13,440Dave Jones: Okay. And here's,here's why. It here's why it's180901:59:13,440 --> 01:59:19,260important to me right now.Because of music. Music and181001:59:19,290 --> 01:59:27,780here's a problem that I ran intoover over the weekend. And I181101:59:27,780 --> 01:59:31,770feel like this would havehelped. So I listen. I subscribe181201:59:31,770 --> 01:59:35,910to this podcast America thisweek with Matt Taibbi and Walter181301:59:35,910 --> 01:59:43,200Kern and it's one of my favoriteshows. He every week they181401:59:43,200 --> 01:59:48,570discuss a short story. Thisweek. They discussed the story181501:59:48,870 --> 01:59:54,690Bartleby the Scrivener by HermanMelville. And each week when181601:59:54,690 --> 01:59:58,590they discuss this, I go throughthe same process. I look first181701:59:59,370 --> 02:00:04,110on the pod cost index. And Ilook to see if there's any open181802:00:04,110 --> 02:00:07,650source like Librivox, or anyaudio books that have already181902:00:07,650 --> 02:00:09,720read this, because a lot of thestories they talk about are in182002:00:09,720 --> 02:00:16,440the public domain. Okay? Andthen if I go, if I can't find it182102:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,530there, then I will go toAudible. Because they're usually182202:00:19,530 --> 02:00:21,660pretty short. So what I do isthey say, Hey, what's this182302:00:21,660 --> 02:00:24,240week's story? Let's talk aboutit. I hear what the story is. I182402:00:24,240 --> 02:00:28,350pause the podcast, go look forthe story somewhere else and on182502:00:28,350 --> 02:00:31,170the index. If you can't find itthere, then go to Audible.182602:00:31,350 --> 02:00:33,810Listen to the story first, andcome back and listen to them182702:00:33,810 --> 02:00:34,290discuss it.182802:00:34,320 --> 02:00:36,570Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.Cuz you want to hear you want to182902:00:36,570 --> 02:00:39,510read it, quote, unquote, Here,read it. And then you want to183002:00:39,510 --> 02:00:40,350hear the discussion?183102:00:40,830 --> 02:00:44,160Dave Jones: Yeah. Yep. And it'sfun. I love it. So that's,183202:00:44,190 --> 02:00:48,270that's my typical day. So when Iwent to the index and searched183302:00:48,270 --> 02:00:55,740for Bartleby, the Scrivener, itcame back with a lot. A lot of183402:00:55,740 --> 02:01:01,920results. Probably 10 or 12. Idon't remember. You know, and183502:01:01,920 --> 02:01:07,290just like any audio book thing,the narrator is done is 99% of183602:01:07,290 --> 02:01:10,800the experience. I mean, yeah,that matters, right? Yeah.183702:01:11,370 --> 02:01:14,190Especially when it comes to opensource, like Librivox type183802:01:14,190 --> 02:01:18,150stuff. There's a lot of badreaders. Yes. Yeah. Thank you183902:01:18,150 --> 02:01:22,260for doing that taking the time,but you're not great. So it184002:01:22,260 --> 02:01:26,430would be wonderful to have somesort of popularity score, that's184102:01:26,430 --> 02:01:31,140real. That would say, they wouldtell you, they would at least184202:01:31,140 --> 02:01:35,070rank now, the first let's justsay it ranks them in order of184302:01:35,070 --> 02:01:40,200popularity, based on subscribercount. Let's say that the first184402:01:40,230 --> 02:01:43,680one that you you don't like thatnarrator. But there's a good184502:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,080chance that they at least theones on the bottom are not going184602:01:46,080 --> 02:01:50,460to be good. You might just wantto skip them. So this is what184702:01:50,460 --> 02:01:53,790I'm saying. Like we need I feellike we need some sort of way to184802:01:53,790 --> 02:01:55,500organize these results.184902:01:55,500 --> 02:01:58,650Adam Curry: The situation inputis the input something we get185002:01:58,650 --> 02:02:01,110from the apps like in Yeah,event.185102:02:02,280 --> 02:02:04,980Dave Jones: Yes. So that's,that's what I was wanting to do.185202:02:05,010 --> 02:02:09,930And so the, here's the idea.Here's my initial idea that185302:02:09,930 --> 02:02:16,440there's just an endpoint, thatan app can submit just a submit185402:02:16,440 --> 02:02:21,060a file, essentially, like a CSVfile. And I will prescribe the185502:02:21,060 --> 02:02:26,220format that this that this filetakes. And it's just a list.185602:02:26,730 --> 02:02:32,460It's just feed ID, subscribercount, feed ID subscriber count.185702:02:33,270 --> 02:02:37,320And it could be feed ID, itcould be good. It can be Feed185802:02:37,320 --> 02:02:40,800URL, it can be hell, it can beiTunes ID, I don't care. So185902:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,190there would be this this list.And it can be something other186002:02:44,190 --> 02:02:48,330than a CSV I'm not, I'm justdescribing a concept. But then186102:02:48,330 --> 02:02:52,200that they would submit that fileto the index. And there's no186202:02:52,200 --> 02:02:56,100user data in anywhere in this.It's just purely such a list of186302:02:56,340 --> 02:03:00,240here. Here's here, all the feedsthat our system currently shows186402:03:00,240 --> 02:03:03,390and how many people aresubscribed to each one. If we186502:03:03,390 --> 02:03:07,830had that, and we could aggregatethat from any apps willing to186602:03:07,830 --> 02:03:15,780give that back. It could createa truly open source. Popularity186702:03:15,780 --> 02:03:22,110rank ranking type. Pizzadatabase didn't, did we haven't186802:03:22,110 --> 02:03:27,570had? Yeah. Because all these allthese existing rankings and186902:03:27,570 --> 02:03:32,040popularity is nonsense. They'reall tied to. They're all tied to187002:03:32,760 --> 02:03:36,150like Apple and Spotify and allthese other companies. So here,187102:03:36,150 --> 02:03:37,560this would be something. Goahead.187202:03:37,860 --> 02:03:39,480Adam Curry: No, no, go ahead.I'm sorry. I didn't mean to187302:03:39,480 --> 02:03:43,920interrupt. I'm done. I'm done.So yes, VB VB is looking at me187402:03:43,920 --> 02:03:52,230like dude, is two hours alreadyI gotta pay I got Okay, so what187502:03:52,230 --> 02:03:56,100I've the way I think this wouldwork best because what I would187602:03:56,100 --> 02:04:01,740hate to see is all of a suddenthere's a page and someone says187702:04:01,740 --> 02:04:06,810here's the most subscribe topodcasts. Right? Because then187802:04:06,810 --> 02:04:10,200you've just basically created anUber rancor that everybody would187902:04:10,200 --> 02:04:15,270love and me that's going to havepeople jacking the system is188002:04:15,270 --> 02:04:18,240like subscribe, you know, asthen you get the Everyone views.188102:04:18,270 --> 02:04:22,680You got to subscribe thatascribe discovers gotta I you188202:04:22,680 --> 02:04:25,110know, just all of that crap. Ifit is something that is188302:04:25,110 --> 02:04:29,550incorporated in the way the APIso I don't want a rancor on188402:04:29,550 --> 02:04:36,390podcasts index either. It canreturn results in the API188502:04:36,390 --> 02:04:41,310endpoint, which could be justsearch or search by but that at188602:04:41,310 --> 02:04:46,860no point can someone aggregateall of this data and say, here's188702:04:46,860 --> 02:04:50,430the rancor. What are youlaughing at?188802:04:52,770 --> 02:04:55,110Dave Jones: Me this drop a newCold subscribe button.188902:04:57,450 --> 02:05:00,270Adam Curry: Exactly. John, doyou know what I mean? is like,189002:05:00,270 --> 02:05:04,710yeah, this would be very, verygood to have a an API endpoint189102:05:04,710 --> 02:05:11,310that returns search results bysubscription count. But that you189202:05:11,310 --> 02:05:14,550can't just go to the index andsay, give me all the Most189302:05:14,550 --> 02:05:16,800Popular The Most subscribe topodcasts.189402:05:17,400 --> 02:05:21,210Dave Jones: Yes, that's okay.You, you've said that better189502:05:21,210 --> 02:05:27,030than I did. The, because that'sthe one thing that we've always189602:05:27,330 --> 02:05:31,740struggled to provide, since wedon't have first party data is189702:05:32,970 --> 02:05:36,180like the, what's the what's thegoal of the index? If the index189802:05:36,180 --> 02:05:41,670itself is to? When somebodysearches for something, we want189902:05:41,670 --> 02:05:44,940them to find it? And that's whatthis would do?190002:05:45,870 --> 02:05:48,870Adam Curry: It Right. It makesit makes our search better. And190102:05:48,870 --> 02:05:53,490also, and and honestly, I, Idon't even want that search to190202:05:53,490 --> 02:05:57,930work on our site to be quite, Idon't want to be the place. That190302:05:57,930 --> 02:06:02,010would, to me, that's, it's allphilosophical, right? It's all190402:06:02,010 --> 02:06:05,880about who we are. And what wedo. I want apps, I want the apps190502:06:05,880 --> 02:06:10,140who use our API, I want them tobe able to return kickass190602:06:10,140 --> 02:06:13,800results. I don't want peoplecoming to him. I mean, it's a190702:06:13,800 --> 02:06:16,290double edged sword, because ofcourse, I want people to use the190802:06:16,290 --> 02:06:19,650index, I want us to be able touse the index. So you know,190902:06:19,650 --> 02:06:22,800that's up for discussion. Butthe ultimate goal of this and we191002:06:22,800 --> 02:06:26,670also it's we won't export thattable. I just don't want anyone191102:06:26,670 --> 02:06:30,030to create the rancor. I don'twant all these apps and all191202:06:30,030 --> 02:06:35,640their the trust that their usersput in them to be create someone191302:06:35,640 --> 02:06:39,180else's business. That SiliconValley nastiness, you know what191402:06:39,180 --> 02:06:39,570I mean?191502:06:40,110 --> 02:06:42,960Dave Jones: For sure, yeah,that's so the idea exactly. The191602:06:42,960 --> 02:06:47,850idea here is when if an app willgive us back the subscriber191702:06:47,850 --> 02:06:48,510counts,191802:06:48,720 --> 02:06:51,750Adam Curry: then they get accessto better search results, better191902:06:51,750 --> 02:06:52,530search results.192002:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,420Dave Jones: I love that nobodyelse gets it. Everybody else192102:06:54,420 --> 02:06:57,150gets better search results too.Yeah, they're just contributing192202:06:57,150 --> 02:07:00,570to better it makes the it makesus better for them192302:07:00,570 --> 02:07:03,180Adam Curry: to be better. That'sthat would be I think that's a192402:07:03,180 --> 02:07:04,680great idea. Yeah, and192502:07:04,680 --> 02:07:07,740Dave Jones: there will never berancor. Yep. Let's let's get192602:07:07,740 --> 02:07:09,270Adam Curry: into warm it'sgetting warm in here. Hold on.192702:07:11,880 --> 02:07:18,900Cool Breeze SQF is warm businessman. All right, Phoebe's gotta192802:07:18,900 --> 02:07:25,560pee to $2.07 here on the clockit's good to have you back Dave192902:07:25,590 --> 02:07:28,320I'm so sorry. I'm going to begone for the next couple of193002:07:28,320 --> 02:07:35,400weeks I think I would like toslip on in for you baby. So I193102:07:35,400 --> 02:07:39,480will I will let you know if wecan slip on in cuz they will I193202:07:39,480 --> 02:07:43,020will have the rig with me therewill be there will be production193302:07:43,020 --> 02:07:47,790going on. But it sounds likeyou're going to be mando busy as193402:07:47,790 --> 02:07:51,150well with your your schema andall this stuff. So we'll see.193502:07:51,330 --> 02:07:54,870We'll see how it comes along.How it feels I mean I'm honestly193602:07:54,870 --> 02:07:57,540I can't believe that I juststarted boosted grand ball. I193702:07:57,540 --> 02:07:59,940won't be doing that either.Maybe off the slip. What I mean193802:07:59,940 --> 02:08:02,100why don't I just pretend I'm onvacation. Just sit in the193902:08:02,100 --> 02:08:02,580studio.194002:08:03,090 --> 02:08:07,110Dave Jones: That's what I did.Just you know if you if you feel194102:08:07,110 --> 02:08:09,570Froggy. Heads up, give me aheads up,194202:08:09,900 --> 02:08:13,620Adam Curry: brother. I love you.I love doing this with you. I194302:08:13,620 --> 02:08:17,100love what we're achieving. Andeverybody who's who's listening.194402:08:17,100 --> 02:08:19,710Thank you all so much for beinga part of this grand scissor194502:08:19,740 --> 02:08:26,340scissoring experiment. We saw alot of fun. All right. Have a194602:08:26,340 --> 02:08:29,190great weekend, brother. Allright, everybody in the chat194702:08:29,190 --> 02:08:32,220room. Have a great weekend.Thank you all we will see if we194802:08:32,220 --> 02:08:35,430can slip on in stay tuned. We'llbe back soon with more194902:08:35,430 --> 02:08:37,170podcasting 2.0195002:08:53,040 --> 02:08:56,940Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 to visit195102:08:56,940 --> 02:09:01,290podcast index.org For moreinformation on your Domo195202:09:02,370 --> 02:09:07,650podcast. Boosting is loving