Episode 141: Boosting is Loving

100:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,970Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 forJuly 14 2023, episode 141200:00:06,150 --> 00:00:11,310boosting his love. Well, helloeverybody once again, it's time300:00:11,310 --> 00:00:15,900for your weekly board meetingpodcasting. 2.0 That's right,400:00:15,900 --> 00:00:19,230everything happening in podcastindex.org all about the500:00:19,230 --> 00:00:22,500namespace. We got some hot talkfor you. And of course, all the600:00:22,500 --> 00:00:25,950discussions, the arguments andthe love chatter from podcast700:00:25,950 --> 00:00:29,610index dot social. It is the onlyboardroom with music as a800:00:29,610 --> 00:00:32,370feature. I'm Adam curry here inthe heart of the Texas Hill900:00:32,370 --> 00:00:35,250Country and in Alabama, the manwho will ignore your block tag1000:00:35,250 --> 00:00:38,040if you're nasty. Say hello to myfriend on the other end, ladies1100:00:38,040 --> 00:00:43,050and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.Mr. Jones, if you're nasty if1200:00:43,050 --> 00:00:46,380you're nasty, that's right. Ifyou're nasty. Hello, Dave.1300:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,189Dave Jones: Have you seen thisZelinsky meme that's everywhere.1400:00:50,789 --> 00:00:51,239You must1500:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,160Adam Curry: be this tall tostart world war three.1600:00:55,500 --> 00:00:57,870Dave Jones: The funny thingabout this thing is not it's not1700:00:57,870 --> 00:01:04,080really the Zelinsky to me. It'sit's the is it. All the elite I1800:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,800just realized maybe I'm late tothe party. But all the elites,1900:01:08,220 --> 00:01:11,040they do this weird thing wherethey where they stand and face2000:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,170each other and hold hands andausterity.2100:01:13,230 --> 00:01:15,600Adam Curry: And he says thereare the two ladies.2200:01:16,980 --> 00:01:19,620Dave Jones: Ladies, and then inthat other picture. It's McCrone2300:01:19,650 --> 00:01:23,430and Zelinsky stay in the sameexact posting, they're holding2400:01:23,430 --> 00:01:24,630hands staring each other's2500:01:25,349 --> 00:01:28,289Adam Curry: repeat all thesepeople are creepy. They are2600:01:28,290 --> 00:01:30,960Dave Jones: creepy in real life,2700:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,969Adam Curry: and that and thatwhole NATO Summit, that's just2800:01:33,359 --> 00:01:38,099an arm sales conference. Okay,so can we sell some more stuff?2900:01:38,609 --> 00:01:39,749All right, we'll figure it out.3000:01:40,110 --> 00:01:41,610Dave Jones: Brought to you byLockheed Martin. That's3100:01:41,610 --> 00:01:43,080Adam Curry: right. How youdoing, brother?3200:01:43,620 --> 00:01:44,760Dave Jones: I'm good. I'm good,3300:01:45,330 --> 00:01:48,150Adam Curry: man. Very good. Ialways love it when it's just3400:01:48,150 --> 00:01:50,790you and me. I mean, I likehaving guests. Don't get me3500:01:50,790 --> 00:01:54,870wrong. Yeah, just the two of us.Don't get me wrong. And of3600:01:54,870 --> 00:01:58,920course, we have a chat room.Hello, chat room. Chat Room was3700:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,630there as we are live. Oh, ofcourse. I forgot you are3800:02:03,630 --> 00:02:07,680streaming live on on your videothing.3900:02:07,860 --> 00:02:09,990Dave Jones: So you're not adistraction to me. I swear. It's4000:02:09,990 --> 00:02:12,060Adam Curry: your only fans. Iknow. It's your only fans.4100:02:14,850 --> 00:02:19,500Dave Jones: I will be takingrequests boosting your request.4200:02:19,500 --> 00:02:19,890Goodness4300:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,770Adam Curry: gracious. Well,right off the bat. We've had a4400:02:22,770 --> 00:02:25,140couple of nice pre boosts, whichI think we should thank people4500:02:25,140 --> 00:02:28,110for just because I mean, it'slovely. It's lovely when this4600:02:28,110 --> 00:02:33,900happens. Hello anonymous. 50,000SATs, sending this to you guys4700:02:33,900 --> 00:02:36,270because I can't figure out howto move my SATs with I'll be4800:02:36,270 --> 00:02:38,910back on chain one day. I'llfigure this all out until then4900:02:38,910 --> 00:02:39,840go podcasting.5000:02:41,699 --> 00:02:43,109Dave Jones: I hope you neverfigure it out.5100:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,430Adam Curry: And we did a preshow which we always do. And we5200:02:47,430 --> 00:02:50,040got a lot of boost for the preshow people love the pre show5300:02:50,550 --> 00:02:55,260Dave Jones: is because of ouramazing do it. Our voices blend5400:02:55,260 --> 00:03:00,630seamlessly together in a rush.Vocal vocal harmonies. It's5500:03:00,630 --> 00:03:01,200velvet.5600:03:01,230 --> 00:03:02,490Adam Curry: It's just purevelvet.5700:03:03,870 --> 00:03:06,120Dave Jones: It is that's whatthey've always called it.5800:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,100They've always called me thevelvet hammer, you know?5900:03:10,530 --> 00:03:16,890Adam Curry: Oh man, hey. Okay,I'll start. I'll start with my6000:03:16,890 --> 00:03:20,250music show. I'm getting rampedup, getting ramped up. I'm6100:03:20,250 --> 00:03:23,190getting amped up. I have a name.I've decided on the name. It's6200:03:23,190 --> 00:03:25,590kind of a little bit somethingthat came from the last show.6300:03:26,430 --> 00:03:29,160Dave Jones: I hadn't had namesto suggest or I don't know6400:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,190Adam Curry: I'm not I'm looseygoosey. What names do you have?6500:03:32,190 --> 00:03:33,570Dave Jones: He does a terriblething to ask you.6600:03:33,570 --> 00:03:36,900Adam Curry: But am I for younever never6700:03:38,010 --> 00:03:40,620Dave Jones: know the answer isno, no, no, no. Go ahead. What6800:03:40,620 --> 00:03:43,260do you thought about lightninground?6900:03:43,919 --> 00:03:47,249Adam Curry: Oh, I like that.Now. Did you see if there was a7000:03:47,249 --> 00:03:51,239domain name available for that?No, of course not. Well, let me7100:03:51,239 --> 00:03:55,739check. Okay, lightning, I likelightning round. Although it7200:03:55,739 --> 00:04:00,689does kind of suggest somethingfast and short stuff. True.7300:04:01,109 --> 00:04:05,249True. True. So I could registerlightning round.com7400:04:05,850 --> 00:04:08,280Dave Jones: I just wanted to getthat on the board before I hear7500:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,810your your actual7600:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,970Adam Curry: I'd like it. I likeit on the board. I'd like it.7700:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,290Okay, so let me see under can Iregister this? Let me see. Let7800:04:16,290 --> 00:04:18,690me see what's available. Nowit's not available.7900:04:19,230 --> 00:04:21,600Dave Jones: Okay, well, it's offthe table. Okay, off the board.8000:04:21,630 --> 00:04:22,800I put I retract it.8100:04:23,100 --> 00:04:25,020Adam Curry: I was thinking youknow what, what would be the8200:04:25,020 --> 00:04:28,980most clear because basically I'mgoing to be playing tracks.8300:04:29,460 --> 00:04:33,660tracks that are value for valueenabled. I'm sure as as the show8400:04:33,660 --> 00:04:38,340progresses, there'll be moreinformation I mean, I'll talk8500:04:38,340 --> 00:04:41,370some crap and backstory andstuff when I can and maybe we'll8600:04:41,370 --> 00:04:45,390have an artist on you know fromtime to time or have someone do8700:04:45,390 --> 00:04:47,700a quick interview. I don't knowI mean, I'm leaving it open but8800:04:47,700 --> 00:04:52,530the the main thing is to beplaying music. And I just keep8900:04:52,530 --> 00:04:54,750coming back to booster GrandBall.9000:04:55,740 --> 00:04:57,750Dave Jones: Booster. Grand Ballis a great name.9100:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,450Adam Curry: I mean, and I havethe domain name it just feels9200:05:00,450 --> 00:05:03,930right. It's exactly what theshow is. It's you know, we want9300:05:03,930 --> 00:05:07,680people boosting booster grams,we want it to be a ball to know9400:05:07,710 --> 00:05:11,220a musical ball, but just have aball, bring your ball,9500:05:13,530 --> 00:05:15,360Dave Jones: ball and go homewhen it's over, hey, don't9600:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,560Adam Curry: take that ball andgo home. So now what I'm looking9700:05:19,560 --> 00:05:25,380for now, is I need some imaging.Also, there's so much already9800:05:25,380 --> 00:05:28,860available for boosts. And forbooster grams, you know, we have9900:05:28,860 --> 00:05:33,330a lot of got a lot of that kindof stuff. When I'm looking for10000:05:33,330 --> 00:05:39,210is a show opener, anybody wantto give that a stab? It doesn't10100:05:39,210 --> 00:05:42,600have to be one set show opener,I will put you in the value10200:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,990block. So I'm looking forjingles. I'm looking for10300:05:46,020 --> 00:05:50,580positioning music stuff,whatever it is. Because I can I10400:05:50,580 --> 00:05:54,120can make it myself but whybother when other people be10500:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,020happy to do it?10600:05:56,370 --> 00:05:58,920Dave Jones: And, and you andthey have a different10700:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,260perspective that you may nothave which always comes through10800:06:02,189 --> 00:06:04,499Adam Curry: like totally. Sothis is the stuff that I had for10900:06:04,499 --> 00:06:08,759daily stores code in its mostrecent iteration. That's not11000:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,449That's not that one. Where's myopener? Oh, this is the one11100:06:12,479 --> 00:06:18,659opener here we go this onesysadmins ensuring five nines11200:06:18,659 --> 00:06:32,639uptime 21st century of radioslive on noise that kind of stuff11300:06:32,669 --> 00:06:38,249or this kind of stuff you knowanything I can transition11400:06:38,249 --> 00:06:42,269between songs that kind of stuffI'm looking for. And I'm I could11500:06:42,299 --> 00:06:46,079I could call Jeff Smith and saymake something for me. But I11600:06:46,079 --> 00:06:49,739want it to be a much morecommunity thing. So I want to11700:06:49,769 --> 00:06:52,229and I want to have lots of stuffwhen I have lots of options. So11800:06:52,259 --> 00:06:55,859if anyone's interested send itto me. I would highly appreciate11900:06:55,859 --> 00:06:56,129that.12000:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,210Dave Jones: No are you wantingper episode art?12100:07:01,530 --> 00:07:04,080Adam Curry: Wow, I mean ifpossible, that's beautiful. But12200:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,050that's you know if that's itwould require me doing it live12300:07:07,050 --> 00:07:10,800and I'm not I want to do it liveand live as as much as possible.12400:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,220I haven't selected a day yet.But maybe it's something I do12500:07:14,220 --> 00:07:16,620right after this show on aFriday since I'm already all12600:07:16,620 --> 00:07:17,490jacked up.12700:07:19,260 --> 00:07:22,650Dave Jones: Oh, okay. Oh wait soum, so you you're were you12800:07:22,650 --> 00:07:27,540planning to start this newpodcast with without live and12900:07:27,540 --> 00:07:30,810then go to live lighter? Is thatwhat I'm hearing? Are you going13000:07:30,810 --> 00:07:32,250to do live from the beginning Iwas13100:07:32,250 --> 00:07:34,170Adam Curry: I was hoping to doit live from the beginning13200:07:34,170 --> 00:07:36,090actually thought that would bekind of cool.13300:07:36,450 --> 00:07:38,430Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz that's Imean that's that's your that's13400:07:38,430 --> 00:07:39,060your style.13500:07:39,750 --> 00:07:42,480Adam Curry: See, dubs is sayingit's not in the split that I do13600:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,880something wrong. I just wantunderstand. Did we do something13700:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,440wrong? I don't know. I don'tknow. I don't know when people13800:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,620say that I get worried. Youknow? What's not we don't know13900:07:52,620 --> 00:07:56,490what we don't know what itmeans. Don't just say it. Don't14000:07:56,490 --> 00:08:01,320just do that to me. Yeah, so andI want to get started pretty14100:08:01,320 --> 00:08:09,150soon I got the beta the fountainbeta that has the references so14200:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,820yeah, the song show up at WCnet. Are you on?14300:08:12,210 --> 00:08:14,460Dave Jones: Yeah, Mom got it.Yeah, minute I've been I've been14400:08:14,460 --> 00:08:14,970playing with it. Yeah.14500:08:15,060 --> 00:08:16,710Adam Curry: Okay, so how why isthis beta?14600:08:17,700 --> 00:08:19,380Dave Jones: How wide is it?Yeah, how would you mean14700:08:19,410 --> 00:08:23,220Adam Curry: well, I mean, howboost the boost bot is it's I14800:08:23,220 --> 00:08:26,160don't know if it's in the whitebook. How widely distributed is14900:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,450the beta is my question.15000:08:27,900 --> 00:08:28,800Dave Jones: Oh, I'd I don'tknow.15100:08:29,820 --> 00:08:32,790Adam Curry: The boost bot ismost fountain boost but I need a15200:08:32,790 --> 00:08:35,910different boost bot in there.Okay, well, I can't do that now.15300:08:36,330 --> 00:08:39,630Dave Jones: We'll see. That's itSam a note this morning acid15400:08:39,660 --> 00:08:43,200asking to get because I stillcan't get in my pod fans. And15500:08:43,499 --> 00:08:47,279Adam Curry: you can't get aneither. Yeah, it's it's like the15600:08:47,279 --> 00:08:50,849two guys who really needs to bein there. Definitely need to be15700:08:50,849 --> 00:08:51,809in that in that thing. Well,15800:08:51,809 --> 00:08:55,229Dave Jones: I feel I feel so inorder to in order to launch your15900:08:55,229 --> 00:08:59,849podcast you I mean, you reallyneed that you need pod fans16000:08:59,849 --> 00:09:03,449needs to be on the online Imean, because we need to be able16100:09:03,449 --> 00:09:07,379to because that's one day. So wehave curio caster fountain, pod16200:09:07,379 --> 00:09:13,379fans and pod friend. Those Thosefor support. Support the value16300:09:13,379 --> 00:09:19,559times split and then podcastsGuru is coming. So and is pod16400:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,899verse. Is that still in beta? Dowe know? For the pod? For the16500:09:24,899 --> 00:09:25,889for the vape? I16600:09:25,890 --> 00:09:29,160Adam Curry: don't know. I don'tknow. I'm also Mitch was here16700:09:29,220 --> 00:09:31,860also see dubs are saying I'mfountain to live block says it's16800:09:31,860 --> 00:09:35,820ended. Well, that's fountainsproblem because I'm live. My16900:09:35,820 --> 00:09:39,060life block says it's good to go.I don't understand any of what's17000:09:39,060 --> 00:09:39,630going on.17100:09:40,710 --> 00:09:43,080Dave Jones: This is a greatendorsement. I'm for all this.17200:09:43,740 --> 00:09:45,540Adam Curry: Well, I'm sorry.scissoring time you know, but17300:09:45,540 --> 00:09:47,790I'm just worried that I'm notdoing the split kid right,17400:09:47,790 --> 00:09:51,030because I'm not sure what is incharge of what? I guess let me17500:09:51,030 --> 00:09:52,140check. I mean,17600:09:53,309 --> 00:09:55,799Dave Jones: oh, yeah, we'relive. It says punchy. I'm17700:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,019looking at the feed right nowwhere it says we're live.17800:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,310Adam Curry: Right then HonestlyI don't have the boost the boost17900:10:02,310 --> 00:10:05,370bot I don't have that what isthe what is the boost bots?18000:10:08,820 --> 00:10:11,430Dave Jones: Oh bless you Stevendo you put podcast chat tag in18100:10:11,430 --> 00:10:14,730there is always one step aheadbrother.18200:10:14,760 --> 00:10:15,780Adam Curry: Did you do somethinggood?18300:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,200Dave Jones: Yeah, I put thepodcast the new unform alized18400:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,400podcast chat tag.18500:10:20,669 --> 00:10:23,459Adam Curry: Ru Yes, yes, I knowthat I knew that wasn't okay18600:10:23,489 --> 00:10:27,659with IRC right the boost bot sothe boost bot I have to add this18700:10:27,659 --> 00:10:34,049okay. All right. Oh ma secondlet's get scissoring tireless18800:10:34,049 --> 00:10:36,599the weather reminds We'll do itlive Hold on a second. So18900:10:36,629 --> 00:10:40,709episode I'm gonna I'm gonnachange will this work? Or will19000:10:40,709 --> 00:10:43,379people have to reload their?They'll have to reload their19100:10:43,379 --> 00:10:44,159feed, won't they?19200:10:44,250 --> 00:10:45,900Dave Jones: I don't even knowwhat you're doing. Okay,19300:10:45,929 --> 00:10:48,419Adam Curry: I'm adding inbecause someone's complaining19400:10:48,419 --> 00:10:53,879that the boost bot is not is notin this in the live split. To19500:10:53,879 --> 00:10:57,929see dogs is complaining see dogsis complaining. So I guess then19600:10:57,929 --> 00:11:01,169it doesn't show up in the in thechat. Does that make sense?19700:11:01,799 --> 00:11:06,749Dave Jones: I don't know. Tryit. Okay. There's only one way19800:11:06,749 --> 00:11:07,169only one19900:11:07,170 --> 00:11:09,810Adam Curry: way to find out.Okay, so I put the boost bot in20000:11:09,810 --> 00:11:17,670there for 1% of the split. Okay,publish feed. And there we go.20100:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,560So hopefully that works. I don'tknow.20200:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,570Dave Jones: If we see all if wesee all listeners drop off at20300:11:24,570 --> 00:11:25,050the same time.20400:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,409Adam Curry: Well, what everyoneneeds to do now is boost. If you20500:11:28,409 --> 00:11:32,249know I'm saying this is Heyeverybody. Let's test the boost20600:11:32,249 --> 00:11:34,949bot. Well go.20700:11:35,340 --> 00:11:37,320Dave Jones: It's not a greattest for me because I wasn't in20800:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,980there. So I guess I'm a that'snot an accurate test. But let me20900:11:41,010 --> 00:11:45,120let me go do it real quick. No.Where are you? Trying to boost21000:11:45,120 --> 00:11:45,360bot21100:11:45,390 --> 00:11:49,350Adam Curry: okay. I don't knowwhat the boost boost boost BOD21200:11:49,350 --> 00:11:51,390is the thing that I understand21300:11:51,990 --> 00:11:53,370Dave Jones: to boost the Akiracasting.21400:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,830Adam Curry: Okay, and then whatis what is supposed to happen?21500:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,580It's mostly loose but should getit right. But then the boost bot21600:11:59,580 --> 00:12:03,180will also show up in the IRCchat. This is excusing.21700:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,640Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah,this bus should show up because21800:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,410that's what this one is.Normally it will let me get into21900:12:07,439 --> 00:12:11,489Adam Curry: like got your boost.Okay, yeah, got 123 does not22000:12:11,489 --> 00:12:16,649show up in did not show up inthe yo boost in the Mossad.22100:12:18,990 --> 00:12:22,830Dave Jones: And I gotta just anessay. 1234 Hopefully it goes to22200:12:22,830 --> 00:12:26,340this book. But probably not.Yeah,22300:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,900Adam Curry: I have no idea.Okay, well, anyways, this is22400:12:30,900 --> 00:12:33,840great. I noticed. Oh, there wego. Yeah, that works. There you22500:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,690go. Eric P P. Okay. Booth spotis working. All right. All22600:12:39,690 --> 00:12:42,300right. See, dubs not allowed totalk anymore for the rest of the22700:12:42,300 --> 00:12:47,700show? distracting me Stop it.Just stop it. Stop it. So yeah,22800:12:47,700 --> 00:12:51,270so I'm really excited. As soonas I have some imaging stuff.22900:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,930And with that, I mean, like thesound sound imaging, I'm gonna23000:12:54,930 --> 00:12:58,680get started. And I want to do itlive. Because I think that'll be23100:12:58,680 --> 00:13:02,310the most exciting and maybe wecan even take some requests, you23200:13:02,310 --> 00:13:06,990know, stuff like that. I'm goingto start live, and we'll see23300:13:06,990 --> 00:13:09,810where it goes. And that means Iprobably won't have a set23400:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,620schedule in the beginning.Because, you know, I already23500:13:13,620 --> 00:13:17,250have no days left in the week.So I got to figure out when when23600:13:17,250 --> 00:13:21,540to do that. But the release ofit will be on the same day, if23700:13:21,540 --> 00:13:24,720that makes any sense. So whenwhen we go live will be one23800:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,840thing will but when when itreleases will be a second thing.23900:13:28,470 --> 00:13:28,860And24000:13:29,010 --> 00:13:32,580Dave Jones: the the request, thethe request part is really24100:13:32,580 --> 00:13:35,280interesting. I mean, that wecould have a lot of fun with24200:13:35,280 --> 00:13:35,970that. Yeah,24300:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,980Adam Curry: yeah. I mean, I wantI want people to boost the24400:13:37,980 --> 00:13:39,540requests. And,24500:13:40,079 --> 00:13:43,799Dave Jones: yeah, like, wecould, like it should be sort of24600:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,769structured data instead of justa text, hey, I want blah, blah,24700:13:46,769 --> 00:13:47,129blah.24800:13:49,110 --> 00:13:51,810Adam Curry: Doesn't why?24900:13:52,590 --> 00:13:55,260Dave Jones: Well, cuz it wouldbe because it would be a kind of25000:13:55,260 --> 00:13:58,110fun experiment. So if you say,oh, okay,25100:13:58,140 --> 00:13:59,970Adam Curry: I have an ideaalready. I got an idea. Okay.25200:14:00,030 --> 00:14:03,690All right. It would bephenomenal. If people could go25300:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,930into a webpage. I'm gonna saypodcast index, or no, how about25400:14:09,930 --> 00:14:12,570this ln beats? Lm beats is agreat way to do it. So you go25500:14:12,570 --> 00:14:15,750into LM beats, you find themusic you want. And from there,25600:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,650you should be able to have arequest boost form. Yes, that25700:14:19,650 --> 00:14:24,690sends it to me. And then I canimport it right away into the25800:14:24,690 --> 00:14:26,490split kit. Maybe it's a part ofthe split kit.25900:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,850Dave Jones: Yeah, that I thinkthat's that's perfect. So you go26000:14:29,850 --> 00:14:33,420into Yes, you can go into yourapp, and you can go find the26100:14:33,420 --> 00:14:34,530podcast. You want26200:14:34,589 --> 00:14:36,479Adam Curry: Steven B's already.I can make that happen in the26300:14:36,479 --> 00:14:39,659split cut. Yes, the split kickcan actually can actually shave26400:14:39,659 --> 00:14:45,239me while I'm doing the show. Thekid can feed my dog can drive me26500:14:45,239 --> 00:14:47,939to work. The split kid can doeverything. It's just a little26600:14:47,939 --> 00:14:49,499complicated how it works.26700:14:50,220 --> 00:14:53,490Dave Jones: Yeah, well, it'sfine, but it's fine.26800:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,950Adam Curry: It's fine. I loveit. No, this is good. Okay, so26900:14:55,950 --> 00:14:58,680that's all fine. It'd be thesplit kit you could have a27000:14:59,010 --> 00:15:03,780request to A request thing, thenand then I can just say okay,27100:15:04,020 --> 00:15:08,760and then what I need Steven is Ineed to be able to preview the27200:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,460track when it comes through soit'll be structured so it'll be27300:15:11,460 --> 00:15:14,010in the interface and you'd beable to preview the track and27400:15:14,010 --> 00:15:18,570then add it to the to therundown. So then when I when I27500:15:18,570 --> 00:15:23,580play it, I can I can hit thetimestamp and it runs that would27600:15:23,580 --> 00:15:24,750be that would be beautiful.27700:15:25,410 --> 00:15:27,090Dave Jones: I'm thinking aboutsomething here in the27800:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,080Adam Curry: work coming up withme we're building tools here man27900:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,310this is great. I love it.28000:15:33,330 --> 00:15:35,790Dave Jones: I'm having a thoughtbut I need I'm looking at the28100:15:35,790 --> 00:15:42,120spec right now. So you haveremote feed Gu ID and remote28200:15:42,150 --> 00:15:48,690item Gu ID I wonder if thosecould be repurposed for this use28300:15:48,690 --> 00:15:55,470who say sometimes a payment isfed to a robot so if you had as28400:15:55,470 --> 00:16:01,230if you have that then you couldhave the action? No, no. Okay,28500:16:01,230 --> 00:16:04,290what's the action alright, ifthe action is request so let's28600:16:04,290 --> 00:16:07,260just say the action is booststream or auto currently means28700:16:07,260 --> 00:16:09,810you're available off right wecan have we have another action28800:16:09,810 --> 00:16:10,530call request.28900:16:10,860 --> 00:16:14,190Adam Curry: Oh man. Yeah, nowwe're talking I love it in29000:16:14,190 --> 00:16:16,890Dave Jones: the remote itemremote guid would be interpreted29100:16:16,890 --> 00:16:23,460as the thing being requested,not not a split. Okay. Do you29200:16:23,460 --> 00:16:24,480catch my meaning?29300:16:24,750 --> 00:16:29,100Adam Curry: Steven B. And NathanGee, I don't want people to29400:16:29,100 --> 00:16:32,520think it's a metal only cuz I'mgonna play all kinds of stuff so29500:16:32,550 --> 00:16:36,750probably not, you know.Interestingly enough, when I29600:16:36,750 --> 00:16:41,310think of booster gram ball, Ithink of a different song. Do29700:16:41,310 --> 00:16:42,660you know what song I'm thinkingof?29800:16:47,700 --> 00:16:50,070Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, yeah, like29900:16:51,059 --> 00:16:54,749Adam Curry: this one. RogerGlover. Ronnie do Ronnie James30000:16:54,749 --> 00:17:02,729Dio love is all clack you knowthe song? Yeah, yes, for sure.30100:17:05,879 --> 00:17:07,979Understand, yeah. Play the hook30200:17:15,780 --> 00:17:24,720let me fast forward some hoursthe hook. There we go. The30300:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,620Butterfly. Butterfly ball. Yeah,that's it. Did30400:17:28,620 --> 00:17:30,000Dave Jones: you see this? RonnieJames, do you?30500:17:30,120 --> 00:17:33,630Adam Curry: Yeah. Was RogerGlover? Really? Yeah. You didn't30600:17:33,630 --> 00:17:34,140know that?30700:17:34,530 --> 00:17:36,990Dave Jones: No, I had no ideathat was do Oh, yeah.30800:17:37,050 --> 00:17:39,060Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, that'sthat was that's what makes the30900:17:39,060 --> 00:17:47,160song not gay. I mean, that inthe ad sense of gay.31000:17:50,730 --> 00:17:52,350Dave Jones: Thought about that?Yeah.31100:17:53,010 --> 00:17:55,200Adam Curry: Hey, man, thatsounds no good, right. Hey, man.31200:17:55,200 --> 00:18:00,900It's do brother. Oh, I'm sorry.Back off. I'm sorry. I made a31300:18:00,900 --> 00:18:01,530mistake.31400:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,130Dave Jones: Yeah, like, AC DC.Big. She's got big balls. Yes.31500:18:06,390 --> 00:18:07,470Agreed. gaggle pod.31600:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,700Adam Curry: Okay, so you'll addthat to the spec, Stephen B will31700:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,290build it will be ready byThursday.31800:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,620Dave Jones: We should do StephenB will be ready this afternoon.31900:18:16,650 --> 00:18:21,720I will get rid of not let meright. Actually.32000:18:21,750 --> 00:18:24,900Adam Curry: That's cool. Allright. Um, we're gonna spawn32100:18:24,900 --> 00:18:27,960something. So I am so excitedabout this. I just want to32200:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,470reiterate. And I've written myarticle for Bitcoin magazine.32300:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,140They actually already wrotethat. Yeah, they actually ping32400:18:37,140 --> 00:18:39,570me. They said, Hey, man, we'reexcited about your article. Oh,32500:18:39,570 --> 00:18:45,510my God, that never happens. Oh.So I ran it through chat. GPT32600:18:45,510 --> 00:18:49,590and I think it's good now. No,you didn't I sure did. I sure32700:18:49,590 --> 00:18:53,220did to tighten this up and did apretty good job actually. Yeah,32800:18:53,340 --> 00:18:57,720yeah. But but the final phase isthe Tina wash. So I'm going to32900:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,210send it to Tina. Because that'swhat she you know,33000:19:00,210 --> 00:19:01,800Dave Jones: wish you knew whatshe's gonna do today. What33100:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,880Adam Curry: is this chat GPTcrap. Right away. This is33200:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,620horrible. So but in your team,that's what she used to do for a33300:19:10,620 --> 00:19:13,320living. I mean, she's a pro soshe'll, she'll rewrite rewrite33400:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,710stuff and put it all in there inthe right context. I got about33500:19:16,710 --> 00:19:24,060650 words. And let me see. Whereis it here? Now I can actually33600:19:25,110 --> 00:19:33,000tell you, where is it? Article,podcast, podcasting, 2.0 music33700:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,520and value for value in the everevolving landscape of33800:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,190podcasting, a groundbreakingmovement known as podcasting.33900:19:38,190 --> 00:19:42,0602.0 has emerged, spearheaded bythe geniuses Adam curry. Dave34000:19:42,060 --> 00:19:45,810Jones doesn't say that, but Ithought it was. This initiative34100:19:45,810 --> 00:19:48,180was born out of the need toprotect and extend podcasting in34200:19:48,180 --> 00:19:51,060the face of challenges posed bymajor platforms like apple.34300:19:51,420 --> 00:19:55,230There's a little bit of historythere. And then I'm talking34400:19:55,230 --> 00:19:58,020about real time payments. I'mkind of reiterating some stuff34500:19:59,670 --> 00:20:03,270where Some music stuff would Iput that in here? Anyway, and34600:20:03,270 --> 00:20:09,090I'm trying to simplify it. Ohyeah. The system has the ability34700:20:09,090 --> 00:20:11,280to switch to different paymentwallets and splits within the34800:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,740podcast automatically redirectpayments to the owner of a piece34900:20:13,740 --> 00:20:16,770of content using the podcastprimarily used for music played35000:20:16,770 --> 00:20:19,410in a podcast. Artists are nowseeing direct payments from35100:20:19,410 --> 00:20:22,050podcast listeners oftensurpassing payouts from35200:20:22,050 --> 00:20:25,860streaming services by severalmagnitudes. recording artists35300:20:25,860 --> 00:20:28,410whose music is not owned by alabel or publisher and not35400:20:28,410 --> 00:20:32,640licensed to antiquated agencies,such as ASCAP BMI, are now able35500:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,150to self host or use a specifichosting provider such as wave35600:20:36,150 --> 00:20:40,410lake.com, music side project.comor dystopia.com. To make the35700:20:40,410 --> 00:20:43,320music available to listenersusing V for V enabled apps, or35800:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,490podcasters, to include them intheir shows. Now freed from35900:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,880outdated ownership and licensingstructures. podcasters can36000:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,360freely share the value of musicin their shows, while ensuring36100:20:54,360 --> 00:20:57,210the artists received the valuesent back by their listeners,36200:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,020igniting an exciting way formusic lovers to discover music36300:21:01,050 --> 00:21:03,720outside of big techentertainment algorithms and36400:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,760agendas Bucha Daddy36500:21:09,150 --> 00:21:12,630Dave Jones: that I like it.Okay, thank you. Thank you. This36600:21:13,650 --> 00:21:14,580is her hooky at the bear.36700:21:16,770 --> 00:21:18,690Adam Curry: There's a lot ofwords there. But we'll work on36800:21:18,690 --> 00:21:25,800it. So yeah. And it really willignite a whole new category of36900:21:25,830 --> 00:21:28,200and this will be good foreverybody. It's going to be good37000:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,010for hosting companies, it'sgoing to be good for apps, it's37100:21:32,010 --> 00:21:34,800going to be everybody's going tobenefit because there will be an37200:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,630entirely new generation ofpodcasters coming on board. And37300:21:39,630 --> 00:21:42,750just think college radio. Youknow, these were not people who37400:21:42,750 --> 00:21:46,650could talk for an hour hadsomething to say for an hour, or37500:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,800felt that they were interestingenough to do anything for an37600:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,570hour. But when it's Hey, ma'am,I'm Pete. Here's some cool37700:21:54,570 --> 00:22:00,300tunes. I really liked man listento this boom. That opens up37800:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,300possibilities for a whole newcategory of podcasting, which37900:22:03,300 --> 00:22:04,890has just not existed.38000:22:06,120 --> 00:22:12,180Dave Jones: Agreed? Yes. Agreed.Totally. I mean, the so Alex38100:22:12,180 --> 00:22:15,090said this, that we shouldn't bebuilding this into the payment38200:22:15,090 --> 00:22:18,810protocol. I agree with that.That's I'm sorry, we shouldn't38300:22:18,810 --> 00:22:23,580want like the whole requeststhing. They shouldn't be in the38400:22:23,580 --> 00:22:29,220protocol for the payments in a Iagree with that. I'm thinking38500:22:29,580 --> 00:22:32,100more along the lines like itshouldn't be baked you you're38600:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,130mixing stuff together so youknow we had the actions or like38700:22:35,130 --> 00:22:38,250boost stream or auto Yeah, whichthose makes it these are all38800:22:38,250 --> 00:22:39,510payment related functions.38900:22:39,540 --> 00:22:41,970Adam Curry: Oh, I see. I seewhat you're saying. Yeah, okay.39000:22:41,970 --> 00:22:42,300Yeah,39100:22:42,330 --> 00:22:44,580Dave Jones: yeah, you're you'recrossing the streams which is39200:22:45,330 --> 00:22:49,260and I agree with that. Like I'mthinking more along the lines of39300:22:49,260 --> 00:22:53,940something that's like you know,so like the request itself or39400:22:53,940 --> 00:22:59,940the message itself would containthis structured data so I don't39500:22:59,940 --> 00:23:03,510know what we'll figure out itwill work yeah will work I mean,39600:23:03,780 --> 00:23:05,280just make it makes ballin but39700:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,290Adam Curry: it's a it's a boardmeeting with just spit ball and39800:23:07,290 --> 00:23:13,770Baby baby knows with no one'smoved to motion we're all good.39900:23:13,950 --> 00:23:19,830Take I don't have a PowerPoint.So yeah, I hope to have that40000:23:19,830 --> 00:23:23,550going within a week or so. Assoon as I have some some imaging40100:23:23,550 --> 00:23:28,260and some booster gram balls toAdam gareeb40200:23:29,550 --> 00:23:33,090Dave Jones: The see that youstill blown my mind that as you40300:23:33,360 --> 00:23:38,400do. I never knew that. Like,like, because I always thought40400:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,810that song was super stupid.40500:23:41,910 --> 00:23:44,670Adam Curry: That's why I got youto laugh for like a real belly40600:23:44,670 --> 00:23:47,250laugh for a moment there when Isaid it to you. Yeah.40700:23:48,630 --> 00:23:51,900Dave Jones: The Yes. I thinkit's general it's just time to40800:23:51,900 --> 00:23:55,530start putting all the piecestogether. Because we've got tons40900:23:55,530 --> 00:24:00,030of pieces now. And it's time tostart kind of wiring them up.41000:24:01,410 --> 00:24:06,420Yes, like Because? Because Iwent back started working a41100:24:06,420 --> 00:24:12,270little bit on on MK Ultra today.I didn't have much didn't have41200:24:12,270 --> 00:24:15,870much time today. But I started Iwant to get my hits. I've been41300:24:15,870 --> 00:24:17,520in dashboard mode for a while.41400:24:17,550 --> 00:24:21,270Adam Curry: Yeah. By the way,can I if I can just say go ahead41500:24:21,270 --> 00:24:24,870go to the dashboard for thepodcast index. I've actually41600:24:24,870 --> 00:24:27,750used it a couple of timessuccessfully now to help people.41700:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,770There was one that I screwed uproyally. That was the lovely41800:24:31,770 --> 00:24:37,800lady who who had four shows andthen Carolyn was telling me what41900:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,410to delete and it was the wrongones believe me. I deleted the42000:24:40,410 --> 00:24:43,590wrong ones. I'm sure of it.Yeah,42100:24:43,650 --> 00:24:45,570Dave Jones: I went back thereand fixed it. Yeah,42200:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,850Adam Curry: that was that wasthat was quite a nightmare. She42300:24:47,850 --> 00:24:51,180had all different feeds and somewere right and some were wrong.42400:24:51,180 --> 00:24:54,540And she had multiple entriesthat one I I'm sorry, I just42500:24:54,540 --> 00:24:55,560lost it on that one.42600:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,860Dave Jones: Well, I mean, someof the some of those are so and42700:24:58,860 --> 00:25:02,670plus you are her writing stylewas so difficult to understand.42800:25:02,700 --> 00:25:03,030Yeah, we're42900:25:03,150 --> 00:25:05,610Adam Curry: not native Englishspeaker, I thought, right? Sure43000:25:05,610 --> 00:25:07,350she's South American orsomething.43100:25:08,130 --> 00:25:10,200Dave Jones: Those are theinstances where you're like,43200:25:10,500 --> 00:25:13,740Nancy, Brenda do the Dashboard.Once you probably get into the43300:25:13,740 --> 00:25:14,430Yeah,43400:25:14,430 --> 00:25:16,740Adam Curry: and I appreciatethat. But I've had people say,43500:25:16,770 --> 00:25:20,370you know, delete refresh, a goodrefresh to successful refresh or43600:25:20,370 --> 00:25:24,390like, Hey, how come my showhasn't updated? You go look,43700:25:24,420 --> 00:25:29,610last entry 2021? Well, you know,when, you know, when you don't43800:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,310update, then we kind of push itdown to the bottom of the list.43900:25:32,310 --> 00:25:35,310And so you know, I won't kickyou manually now. Is that okay?44000:25:35,310 --> 00:25:38,010That's cool. That makes sense.And I did it. And that happened44100:25:38,010 --> 00:25:41,490right away. It was it was, itwas nice. It was it was a44200:25:41,490 --> 00:25:43,320beautiful moment, beautifulmoment, he44300:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,230Dave Jones: would tell me what'sAlright, since we're on44400:25:46,230 --> 00:25:49,800dashboard talk, tell me what'smissing, or what you think you44500:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,110still need. Before before I getaway from dashboard and get back44600:25:55,110 --> 00:25:55,800to MK Ultra.44700:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,850Adam Curry: So the, one of themain and this was the thing that44800:25:59,850 --> 00:26:06,510confused me, where I think themerge function, I haven't quite44900:26:06,510 --> 00:26:10,200had an opportunity to use thatyet. But there's people who45000:26:10,200 --> 00:26:18,090will. So here's, it's like,Okay, here's my, here's my feed.45100:26:18,810 --> 00:26:22,620And it's wrong in the index, youknow, this is, it's just wrong,45200:26:22,620 --> 00:26:26,100whatever that is a going and youlook and you see that on the45300:26:26,310 --> 00:26:32,100current on their new feed, let'ssay it's Buzzsprout. The entry45400:26:32,100 --> 00:26:36,150in the dashboard will show theirold feed, which could be a cast45500:26:36,150 --> 00:26:42,720or something else. And if I hita refresh, or a scan, I actually45600:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,500have set a reset, which, which,as I understand it, scans the45700:26:46,500 --> 00:26:50,160whole thing all over again, allthe metadata. That doesn't45800:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,830actually happen. Or maybe ithappens, but it's not showing in45900:26:52,830 --> 00:26:55,890the dashboard, because I wouldexpect the new feed to show up46000:26:55,890 --> 00:26:57,180in the feed area.46100:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,430Dave Jones: Does that makesense? I'm struggling to fair,46200:27:02,430 --> 00:27:07,050Adam Curry: I'm gonna have toshow you an example. But also,46300:27:07,050 --> 00:27:09,150it's nice that you're talkingabout a mortgage on that46400:27:09,150 --> 00:27:12,390merging, not a merge now not amerge. Reset I that was46500:27:12,420 --> 00:27:16,860confusing. Yeah. So someone willsay my podcast is showing the46600:27:16,860 --> 00:27:22,530wrong feed. And it's, it'sclearly getting an update from46700:27:22,530 --> 00:27:27,060the new feed. But in thedashboard, and on the website,46800:27:27,090 --> 00:27:31,260the feed icon links to the oldfeed, and when I hit reset, it46900:27:31,260 --> 00:27:34,470doesn't appear to reset thatfeed field. Does that make47000:27:34,470 --> 00:27:34,890sense?47100:27:36,450 --> 00:27:42,480Dave Jones: Oh, I see. So you'reOh, after the merge, forget to47200:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,200merge. Sorry. I47300:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,830Adam Curry: said merge, no mergeunlocked. We're not merging, get47400:27:46,830 --> 00:27:51,090out of get out of merge. Notmerging, merging, merging,47500:27:51,360 --> 00:27:57,360single entry. Someone says, Mypodcast has the wrong feed47600:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,990listed. I'm gonna go in wrongFeed URL, yes, when I go into47700:28:00,990 --> 00:28:04,920the dashboard, right, I canactually search by their new47800:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,390feed, and it will bring up theirpodcast from the news feed. But47900:28:09,390 --> 00:28:13,050the old feed is in the feed URLfield.48000:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,630Dave Jones: Okay. And even when48100:28:15,630 --> 00:28:18,840Adam Curry: I hit reset, it doesdoesn't appear to actually48200:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,610repopulate that with a new feed.48300:28:21,029 --> 00:28:23,549Dave Jones: Okay, I know whatthat is. So a bug that I find a48400:28:23,550 --> 00:28:25,950Adam Curry: bug. Come on48500:28:25,950 --> 00:28:29,520Dave Jones: now. Gray Area, it'sa gray area. It's a gray area.48600:28:30,150 --> 00:28:36,240So what in the in the index?Every feed has two properties.48700:28:36,540 --> 00:28:40,650It's got a feed URL. And it'sgot something called original48800:28:40,650 --> 00:28:45,270Feed URL. And so when a feedmoves from one place to another,48900:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,140it's like a FIFO, like a firstin first out it always your49000:28:49,170 --> 00:28:54,570whatever the feed URL now is. Solike if somebody moves from49100:28:54,570 --> 00:29:00,480Buzzsprout to rss.com, theircurrent Feed URL, in a perfect49200:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,490world, their perfect theircurrent Feed URL would be49300:29:02,490 --> 00:29:08,220rss.com, their original Feed URLwould be Buzzsprout. Right? So49400:29:08,310 --> 00:29:13,170that way, if people are tryingto find it, they'll both return49500:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,310the same feed. So if somebodymoves and somebody in but49600:29:17,310 --> 00:29:21,180somebody still hasn't caught thememo yet, and they're searching49700:29:21,180 --> 00:29:25,470by the old feed, Jarrell, it'llstop. Correct. Ah, okay. I49800:29:25,470 --> 00:29:28,920gotcha. So when you're searchingby the old but who no matter49900:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,210which feed you are, are you sojust resetting the feed is not50000:29:33,210 --> 00:29:39,930going to change the feed URL inthat scenario? What we need is50100:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,590Adam Curry: true it also doesn'tgood it so it also doesn't reset50200:29:43,590 --> 00:29:48,420the feed URL on the on thewebsite or I guess the API.50300:29:49,410 --> 00:29:52,770Dave Jones: Right. So what allis a scan just says kick off a50400:29:52,770 --> 00:29:58,080new scan for new episodes. Yep,got it. Reset. Does this50500:29:58,110 --> 00:30:04,620sequence of events it If it setsthe last modified time and the E50600:30:04,620 --> 00:30:11,610tag to blank, it removes all ofthe episodes that we know about50700:30:11,640 --> 00:30:18,810from the database. And then itremoves a bunch of cash hashing.50800:30:19,620 --> 00:30:23,130And then it says, Then it saysrescan. So basically it50900:30:23,130 --> 00:30:27,750essentially, for it, it'sessentially like saying, okay,51000:30:27,750 --> 00:30:30,660index, forget everything youknow about this feed and go grab51100:30:30,660 --> 00:30:36,690a fresh copy, right? That willknow, in no scenario, will that51200:30:36,690 --> 00:30:41,850change the feed URL. Okay, sothe so what we need here is if51300:30:41,850 --> 00:30:46,380somebody says, hey, my feed URLis wrong, we need a sec, we need51400:30:46,380 --> 00:30:50,160that feed URL area to beeditable. So you can go in there51500:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,730and change it. Yeah, so I needto I need to add that feature.51600:30:54,269 --> 00:30:58,169Adam Curry: Yes. Okay. Allright. scissoring, gray area?51700:30:59,220 --> 00:31:04,320Dave Jones: Yes, I have a. Okay,having that as an action plan.51800:31:04,620 --> 00:31:05,940Alright, feed.51900:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,190Adam Curry: Because that's whatthat's what confused me. Well,52000:31:11,190 --> 00:31:14,010just didn't understand that. SoI'd say oh, wait a minute. So52100:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,120this is responding from theright new feed. All everything52200:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,370showing the episodes areshowing, but it would have the52300:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,540old feed in there. And I'm like,that's wrong. Now I understand52400:31:24,540 --> 00:31:26,760what I was looking, I wasmisinterpreting what I was52500:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,480looking at.52600:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,260Dave Jones: Well, this wholething is just a symptom of the52700:31:34,260 --> 00:31:39,030bigger problem, which is, whichis Apple's presence in this in52800:31:39,030 --> 00:31:39,900the podcast?52900:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,780Adam Curry: Well, let's, let'stalk about that. Or do you want53000:31:42,780 --> 00:31:47,340to go to MK Ultra, becausethere, you got pissed off. And I53100:31:47,340 --> 00:31:49,740love and I love it when I see amotion from you, honey.53200:31:52,410 --> 00:31:53,640Dave Jones: I mean, I'mtypically a zombie.53300:31:54,210 --> 00:31:59,490Adam Curry: No, you're, you'rethe calmest most chill, dude. I53400:31:59,490 --> 00:32:04,260know, I think yeah, I would sayyou always approach things with53500:32:04,260 --> 00:32:09,810love and compassion, andunderstanding and empathy. And53600:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,620when when you're not like that,it gets my attention.53700:32:15,690 --> 00:32:18,900Dave Jones: Cridland accused meof a baffling abuse of power,53800:32:18,900 --> 00:32:19,710quote unquote.53900:32:19,860 --> 00:32:22,020Adam Curry: Yeah, that that, tothat?54000:32:24,150 --> 00:32:27,000Dave Jones: It didn't piss meoff. I just, I would just rather54100:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,440reserve terms like bafflingabuse of power for like54200:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,740government corruption. Yeah. Andlike war crimes.54300:32:37,050 --> 00:32:39,390Adam Curry: Bombs. I thinkcluster bombs is a little closer54400:32:39,390 --> 00:32:40,050to the54500:32:41,340 --> 00:32:45,030Dave Jones: you were justtalking about podcasts. I don't54600:32:45,030 --> 00:32:49,020know that that's justified. ButBut what if that's, that's fine.54700:32:49,590 --> 00:32:52,980But rhetoric rhetoric aside, itwas a fair criticism. I mean,54800:32:52,980 --> 00:32:57,480like I, I, I get angry and Ijust in a change something and I54900:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,170should have I should have talkedit out first, because? Because55000:33:01,170 --> 00:33:04,020there are because apps aredependent on the index. And also55100:33:04,020 --> 00:33:06,930if it doesn't affect just me,it's not it's not up to me, it's55200:33:06,930 --> 00:33:12,480up to this board meeting for areason. So no, he is. He was55300:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,690right in that in that regard. Sobut, but I mean, more so than55400:33:19,110 --> 00:33:22,200talking about the reason thatthe feed URLs are so screwed up,55500:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600and all that kind of stuff. Thisall goes back to the same thing.55600:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,680Yeah, apples, apples gray.They've been great in a lot of55700:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,330ways. But they have really,their presence within the55800:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,720ecosystem really effed up a lotof stuff. And I don't know how55900:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,700that's disputable. I mean, so,in this scenario, what happened56000:33:41,700 --> 00:33:47,670was pod verse Colliver podverse, I think it's, I think56100:33:47,670 --> 00:33:51,390it's Mitch, his brother. He senthe does their admin stuff. And56200:33:51,390 --> 00:33:55,560he sent me a message and said,he forwarded me an email. And it56300:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,690was an email from one of theirusers from one of their patrons56400:34:00,690 --> 00:34:04,710and said, Hey, I'm trying tofind this podcast on pod verse56500:34:04,710 --> 00:34:09,150and I can't find it. And it wasbitter blood. Case versus case56600:34:09,150 --> 00:34:12,990like some kind of Casey case,some family drama podcast, okay,56700:34:12,990 --> 00:34:17,910cool. From ot from Audible, it'slike an audible original. So56800:34:17,910 --> 00:34:23,490it's got a public RSS feed. Itdoesn't look like a private56900:34:23,490 --> 00:34:27,930feed. Like, it doesn't have thehallmarks of like, some sort of,57000:34:27,930 --> 00:34:30,150like members only feed orsomething like that, you know,57100:34:30,630 --> 00:34:34,320it just looks like a normalfeed. And so I'm like, Well, why57200:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,820is this thing not showing up?And cause cuz I go in there, and57300:34:38,820 --> 00:34:39,870it's in the index.57400:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,340Adam Curry: I see it. I'mlooking at it right now.57500:34:41,340 --> 00:34:43,0806072109.57600:34:43,469 --> 00:34:47,249Dave Jones: Right. But it'sdead. It showed up as dead. So57700:34:47,249 --> 00:34:51,149it was not visible within theAPI. Local. That's odd, because57800:34:51,149 --> 00:34:56,219so that should only happen if Ikill something manually, or if57900:34:56,219 --> 00:35:00,719it's got a block tag. So I golook at the feed XML and it's58000:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,499got a block tag, block, iTunescolon block. Yes. That was, this58100:35:07,499 --> 00:35:14,159is weird. There's so I'm like,Okay, well, why? Why would why58200:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,039would it be this way? So I goand look in Apple's directory,58300:35:17,279 --> 00:35:22,409and it's there. It's there. Andit's in Spotify. And it's in58400:35:22,409 --> 00:35:26,399listen notes, and it's indowncast. And it's evidently58500:35:26,399 --> 00:35:30,359been there. And I'm like, Okay,well, so and so now there's a58600:35:30,359 --> 00:35:31,589situation where,58700:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,620Adam Curry: why it's so theblock tag is not working even58800:35:34,620 --> 00:35:40,650for the literal. The literalinterpretation of iTunes block.58900:35:41,460 --> 00:35:44,520Yes, the editor and everyoneelse is ignoring it to59000:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,050Dave Jones: it. That's the wayit seems, is. So a little bit of59100:35:49,050 --> 00:35:57,810side note here. We've gotquestions out to Audible. And59200:35:57,810 --> 00:36:02,760Apple, about what is going onwith this particular feed,59300:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,090because this is indicative of abigger issue. I'm not going to59400:36:06,090 --> 00:36:12,990say that it's widespread andlike, huge, but this happens on59500:36:12,990 --> 00:36:17,790a frequent enough basis that Isee feeds that have iTunes block59600:36:17,940 --> 00:36:24,240that have the iTunes block tagset to yes. And Apple still59700:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,160continues to list them. So Jamescame back and suggested that59800:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,110they this was audible. Perhapshe didn't say this definitively.59900:36:34,110 --> 00:36:39,480He said, I don't know. Butperhaps audible set this iTunes60000:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,160block tag to yes. But then wentinto Apple's dashboard, the60100:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,870Apple podcast or connectdashboard, and told it to list60200:36:48,870 --> 00:36:51,840anyway, somehow, I don't know,I've never been in that60300:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,850dashboard. I don't know anythingabout it. I don't even know if60400:36:53,850 --> 00:36:59,370that's possible. But whatever.That's one theory. So here, so60500:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,440if that's the case, whatever thecase is, really, what we have is60600:37:04,440 --> 00:37:13,080a system now, where you havepodcast feeds that? Well, let me60700:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,800let me back up for a second. Thereason I got the reason I got60800:37:16,800 --> 00:37:25,140pissed off is you suddenly beginto be aware in a situation like60900:37:25,140 --> 00:37:28,050this, that, that there's a gamegoing on that you weren't61000:37:28,050 --> 00:37:34,470invited to. And that game isthis weird interaction of the61100:37:34,470 --> 00:37:39,870podcast ecosystem with theiTunes namespace. So the iTunes61200:37:39,870 --> 00:37:45,030needs somebody somewhere, thinksthat putting a blog tag in their61300:37:45,030 --> 00:37:51,030feed, does something andsomebody somewhere else doesn't61400:37:51,030 --> 00:37:52,230think that that's the case?61500:37:52,530 --> 00:37:55,680Adam Curry: Well, a lot ofsomebody's apparently. Right.61600:37:55,739 --> 00:38:00,749Dave Jones: So and let me bemore specific. The iTunes61700:38:00,749 --> 00:38:07,049namespace is an app is anaccident. The way it's being61800:38:07,049 --> 00:38:12,779used in the podcast world islaw. Is is Apple came up with61900:38:12,779 --> 00:38:17,909this with the podcast namespacein order for their prod, what62000:38:17,909 --> 00:38:22,889they're what they did was theygave the they gave the namespace62100:38:23,369 --> 00:38:26,909documentation to the world andsaid, Hey, if you want your62200:38:26,909 --> 00:38:32,849podcast to function a certainway, within Apple, here's what62300:38:32,849 --> 00:38:39,299you need to do. Right? Thisnamespace defines the way that62400:38:39,299 --> 00:38:43,739you are to write your feed inorder for it to perform certain62500:38:43,739 --> 00:38:47,579functionality within Apple'sdirectory and Apple's podcast62600:38:47,579 --> 00:38:50,759player. That's all it does.62700:38:50,790 --> 00:38:54,660Adam Curry: And for some reason,there is an and this is when I62800:38:54,660 --> 00:39:00,660came into the conversation,there is this unwritten law that62900:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,630no no and iTunes block meansblocks, block it from all63000:39:03,630 --> 00:39:06,720directories, which Ifundamentally disagree with,63100:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,830because I read the spec, and itdoesn't say that. And what Rob63200:39:10,890 --> 00:39:14,250would got thrown back at me isWell, Google says that I don't63300:39:14,250 --> 00:39:14,730care.63400:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,479Dave Jones: See, and that'sthat's the infuriating thing63500:39:18,509 --> 00:39:21,749about it. Again, why I guess soI think that's the infuriating63600:39:21,749 --> 00:39:27,839thing about this entire setup.Is, is they're both right.63700:39:28,649 --> 00:39:33,539Because Apple, Apple's iTunesnames in the iTunes namespace.63800:39:34,259 --> 00:39:37,829All they only care aboutthemselves. They never defined63900:39:37,829 --> 00:39:41,069this and said this is the specthat everybody in the podcast64000:39:41,069 --> 00:39:45,059industry is supposed to use.agreed this, this is not an open64100:39:45,269 --> 00:39:49,469namespace in the sense that weall agree that this is the thing64200:39:49,469 --> 00:39:52,349that we're supposed to use andwe all get a voice that you64300:39:52,349 --> 00:39:55,139should stay you should think ofthe items namespace not as a64400:39:55,139 --> 00:40:02,249namespace not as an open spec,but as an A API. The iTunes64500:40:02,249 --> 00:40:06,839namespace is the API that youuse to control64600:40:06,870 --> 00:40:08,940Adam Curry: to control howcertain things work within the64700:40:08,940 --> 00:40:10,890iTunes within the Appleecosystem64800:40:10,889 --> 00:40:14,099Dave Jones: within the Appleecosystem. They never guaranteed64900:40:14,129 --> 00:40:17,339anybody that it would work anyother way with anybody else's65000:40:17,339 --> 00:40:17,909platform65100:40:17,909 --> 00:40:21,419Adam Curry: question, why do weblock something that has the65200:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,679iTunes block in it then?65300:40:23,250 --> 00:40:26,640Dave Jones: Because that's theissue that's in that's the part65400:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,630that James is talking about iseverybody else has adopted the65500:40:30,630 --> 00:40:35,610iTunes namespace to mean to havecertain functionality applicable65600:40:35,610 --> 00:40:40,470to them? And so they said, okay,because there was nothing else65700:40:40,470 --> 00:40:44,220we didn't exist. The podcastnamespace didn't exist. In the65800:40:44,220 --> 00:40:47,850iTunes namespace was the onlygame in town by the biggest most65900:40:47,850 --> 00:40:51,420dominant player in the industry,it became66000:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,989Adam Curry: law. Well, clearlyit clearly it didn't, because66100:40:54,989 --> 00:40:59,879you said that there were fourother platforms that ingested66200:40:59,879 --> 00:41:01,979this and ignored the block tag,66300:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,400Dave Jones: including Applethemselves, including, well, we66400:41:05,400 --> 00:41:05,640don't66500:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,700Adam Curry: so we don't actuallyknow why that why Apple ignored66600:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,700that or if it was a setting thatchange, but there's a there's a66700:41:11,700 --> 00:41:16,290more fundamental issue here. Sonow we have a namespace three66800:41:16,290 --> 00:41:21,390years old. The namespace is anopen namespace that lots of66900:41:21,390 --> 00:41:25,890people contribute to it. Applehas recognized it by verbally67000:41:25,890 --> 00:41:30,000recognized it when it comes tothe TX T tag, although that's67100:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,460wishy washy at this point, I'mnot quite sure exactly where67200:41:32,460 --> 00:41:39,870we're at. But what I took what Itake issue with is I have in the67300:41:39,870 --> 00:41:46,320podcasting 2.0 feed as part ofour namespace, which we declare67400:41:46,770 --> 00:41:52,740I have on my bring it up here Ihave podcast block, Apple, yes.67500:41:52,740 --> 00:41:56,940Podcast block, Spotify. Yes.Podcast block, Amazon. Yes.67600:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,440Right. And Apple ingested thatfeed. I didn't put it in there.67700:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080I don't know who put it inthere. But it's in it's in67800:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,540apple. So they ignore ournamespace. Right, right. That's67900:42:12,630 --> 00:42:17,970when so okay, you can be you canbe that way. But when the the68000:42:17,970 --> 00:42:23,460reason that is given is well,only 0.3% of the world68100:42:23,460 --> 00:42:27,510recognizes the name of the blocktag from the podcast namespace.68200:42:27,540 --> 00:42:34,740That's a bullshit reasoning.They Apple should play nice. And68300:42:34,770 --> 00:42:41,220if you know that, I just thatthe it goes back to the whole68400:42:41,220 --> 00:42:44,490reason we started this day wasbecause people were sucking68500:42:44,610 --> 00:42:49,290apples srong that's why nothingever got done. We they were68600:42:49,290 --> 00:42:54,570treated as the as the owners ofpodcasting, and they're not. We68700:42:54,570 --> 00:42:57,090have to make a stand with acouple of things.68800:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,490Dave Jones: No, I agree withyou. And the the issue here is68900:43:02,490 --> 00:43:06,690that since Apple's since theiTunes namespace was the69000:43:06,690 --> 00:43:14,400dominant thing for so long,hosting companies decided it and69100:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,650justifiably, justifiably. Sohosting companies took it to69200:43:19,650 --> 00:43:24,120mean Zeiss, Zeiss, and I'vespoken with them, they think69300:43:24,870 --> 00:43:31,200they think that the iTunes blocktag is a universal signal that69400:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,570everyone is going to respect orshould respect. The iTunes69500:43:36,570 --> 00:43:41,580blocked tag to not list a feedin their directory. And I can69600:43:41,610 --> 00:43:45,360understand perfectly why theythink that for reasons we just69700:43:45,360 --> 00:43:52,710went into as a problem is thatApple, like I said earlier,69800:43:52,950 --> 00:43:56,820Apple never designed it thatway. And because there is a69900:43:56,820 --> 00:44:01,560mismatch of design, there's amismatch of intent. In Apple,70000:44:01,620 --> 00:44:04,830the reason Apple doesn't respectthe podcast blog tag, is because70100:44:04,830 --> 00:44:07,470they don't give a shit about thepodcast namespace. They've70200:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,860already from their perspective,they've already given us a way70300:44:10,860 --> 00:44:13,650to block things in iTunes in theiTunes directory, correct. It's70400:44:13,650 --> 00:44:16,770right there. It's the iTunesnamespace correct. But But when70500:44:16,770 --> 00:44:23,070you say, Hey, Apple, I put theiTunes block tag in my feed, and70600:44:23,490 --> 00:44:27,030Spotify still listed apples likethey're like, they don't care.70700:44:27,060 --> 00:44:29,340Yeah, they don't talk toSpotify. I don't give a shit.70800:44:29,700 --> 00:44:33,240Like that's what they're gonnasay in the in. This is all. So70900:44:33,240 --> 00:44:37,500there is a fundamental mismatchof desire and intent between the71000:44:37,500 --> 00:44:42,720open podcast community and theactors within it. And Apple, the71100:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,730most dominant player in thatcommunity. So there is no that71200:44:47,730 --> 00:44:52,920is an unresolvable conflict. Theonly way you resolve this is by71300:44:53,010 --> 00:44:58,200creating a truly open namespace.And that's the US are only and I71400:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,860can't I can't help the fact likethat, it's not that it doesn't71500:45:01,860 --> 00:45:05,250have wider adoption than then itdoes some of these tags. I can't71600:45:05,250 --> 00:45:10,260help that at all. But I canactually see, my issue is, okay.71700:45:11,010 --> 00:45:16,350There's something here, whetherit's a bug, or Okay, let's say71800:45:16,350 --> 00:45:22,560that Jay did James's suppositionis correct, is his possible71900:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,400scenario where there's a thinginside Apple where you can say,72000:45:26,430 --> 00:45:30,270I'm gonna set iTunes blocked toYes, in my feed, but I'm gonna72100:45:30,270 --> 00:45:33,420go in and tell Apple itself tosomehow override that enlisted72200:45:33,420 --> 00:45:36,990anyway. Okay? Now you've you've,you're not even you're not open72300:45:36,990 --> 00:45:40,920anymore. This year, you've nowset up a scenario where you have72400:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,590special disposition to mate to,to override feed level72500:45:46,590 --> 00:45:51,000visibility. You've, you've saidin your feed, here's, here's the72600:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,780thing I want. But you've goneinto a private API and said,72700:45:54,780 --> 00:45:59,190Here's how you can, here's whatI really want, right. And in72800:45:59,190 --> 00:46:01,740that scenario, we're now nolonger talking about open72900:46:01,740 --> 00:46:05,610podcasting, we're talking aboutprivate API's that can control73000:46:05,610 --> 00:46:09,090things that that the feed itselfsays are not true. And this is73100:46:09,090 --> 00:46:11,490what I was talking about withthe good with the robots dot txt73200:46:11,490 --> 00:46:14,910file. If I put a robots dot txtfile on it that blocks Google,73300:46:15,930 --> 00:46:19,260and then I go try to go intoGoogle's Admin Tools, they're73400:46:19,260 --> 00:46:22,560gonna say, hey, and make surethat something shows up. They're73500:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,990gonna be like, hey, you need togo change your robots. txt file,73600:46:24,990 --> 00:46:26,040because you're blocking us,73700:46:26,070 --> 00:46:27,630Adam Curry: right? The way itshould73800:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,260Dave Jones: run, because they'replaying by open standards in73900:46:31,260 --> 00:46:37,620this scenario, and unlike, okay,if, if, if we're competing now,74000:46:38,070 --> 00:46:43,320with a whole bunch of platformsthat have private API's that we74100:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,940don't have access to. My onlyoption is either to create74200:46:47,940 --> 00:46:51,930another private API, which iscompletely contrary to all of74300:46:51,930 --> 00:46:56,970our ideals and the reason weexist, amen. Or to just say, you74400:46:56,970 --> 00:47:00,930know, what, our apps that dependon us are getting penalized,74500:47:01,290 --> 00:47:05,070because you're not playing bythe Open spec of podcasting. And74600:47:05,070 --> 00:47:07,350I'm not going to play a playalong with it either.74700:47:07,679 --> 00:47:11,129Adam Curry: What's, what theultimately interesting thing to74800:47:11,129 --> 00:47:16,379know is what is the creator'sintent, and I'm all for respect74900:47:16,409 --> 00:47:21,119the creator's wishes. So was thecreator's intent to block it75000:47:21,119 --> 00:47:27,479from just Apple or all allplatforms? That is the one thing75100:47:27,479 --> 00:47:30,029we need to know that's themissing piece of information75200:47:30,029 --> 00:47:30,359here?75300:47:30,900 --> 00:47:33,330Dave Jones: Yes. What was thewe're trying to figure out?75400:47:33,330 --> 00:47:35,730Yeah. Because I mean, we'reactually sending emails trying75500:47:35,730 --> 00:47:38,400to figure this out. Because itbecause it may75600:47:38,429 --> 00:47:41,249Adam Curry: is reading is, is wethe entire staff and management75700:47:41,249 --> 00:47:43,919of podcasting two point, I justwant to make sure who we is75800:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,880Dave Jones: ExecutiveAdministrator with75900:47:48,029 --> 00:47:50,789Adam Curry: your admin, yes,your admin is all over it. Yes.76000:47:50,789 --> 00:47:51,599Okay. Yeah.76100:47:51,629 --> 00:47:55,919Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. She'scrackerjack. She's all over. But76200:47:56,159 --> 00:48:00,359there's people may hear thisdiscussion and think this is76300:48:00,359 --> 00:48:01,499like a tempest in a teapot.76400:48:01,530 --> 00:48:03,840Adam Curry: No, it's veryimportant. It's I think it's76500:48:03,930 --> 00:48:07,860critically important and I feelthat now Apple may not care, but76600:48:07,860 --> 00:48:13,740I want them to know that I havemade my my Creator wishes known.76700:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,580That is clearly there, if theywish to ignore it. Okay.76800:48:17,730 --> 00:48:23,310Understood. Now, how somethinghow's our feed? That, that I own76900:48:23,310 --> 00:48:28,440that my, my email address is aand how that got imported into77000:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,190Apple is a mystery to me.Because I'm not sure you can77100:48:32,190 --> 00:48:38,220actually do that. That's simplybut okay. It's it's interesting77200:48:38,220 --> 00:48:44,400that it's in there. But that wehave the open podcast namespace.77300:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,890This is the one that theindustry contributes to, there77400:48:46,890 --> 00:48:52,140are hundreds of 1000s of feedsthat declare the namespace and77500:48:52,170 --> 00:48:55,380may not use all the features,but I think the block tag was77600:48:55,410 --> 00:48:59,670wasn't that something that?Hadn't Some people use that? Or77700:48:59,670 --> 00:49:00,810am I the only one?77800:49:01,980 --> 00:49:03,990Dave Jones: I don't know. Ihaven't I haven't tried to do77900:49:03,990 --> 00:49:09,120statistics on that. Okay. I'llAlanna, if I can't get an answer78000:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,080this question. All I know to dois, is just simply create a78100:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,990whitelist and say, here, thatI'm, I'm in general going to78200:49:22,140 --> 00:49:26,070respect the tag, because there'sa lot of hosting companies that78300:49:26,070 --> 00:49:26,760I know78400:49:27,150 --> 00:49:30,630Adam Curry: that see it that waythat publish as as a block as a78500:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,190universal block. Yeah.78600:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,549Dave Jones: And I don't want tokneecap them, but could they I78700:49:35,549 --> 00:49:39,149don't, but, but I would advocatein the background for them to78800:49:39,149 --> 00:49:40,559also adopt the podcast block.78900:49:40,590 --> 00:49:42,510Adam Curry: Exactly. That's whatI'm saying. I think that would79000:49:42,510 --> 00:49:44,100that would be the way to go.79100:49:45,179 --> 00:49:48,089Dave Jones: And the because youknow and try to move the needle79200:49:48,089 --> 00:49:55,829on that. Because it is it ishelpful. Let me let me finish79300:49:55,829 --> 00:49:59,969that because in this scenario,if I can't get an answer to it79400:50:00,329 --> 00:50:05,879In the whole world seems toallow this tag, excuse me allow79500:50:05,879 --> 00:50:11,429this feed to come through.Except, except us. All that does79600:50:11,429 --> 00:50:16,199is penalize the apps. So theremay be what about the feed? This79700:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,799somebody really wants, and theysweat, you know, and they were a79800:50:19,799 --> 00:50:22,619downcast user and they had itthere and they switch to pod79900:50:22,619 --> 00:50:25,499verse, and now they can get it.It has nothing to impart it's80000:50:25,499 --> 00:50:29,789not pod versus fall. No, no, no.It's because as because downcast80100:50:29,789 --> 00:50:34,289uses Apple's directory, right.And pod verse uses ours, and I80200:50:34,289 --> 00:50:39,329don't see why that I don't seewhy they shouldn't get screwed80300:50:39,359 --> 00:50:43,379in that deal. No. So you know,in this scenario, when there,80400:50:43,409 --> 00:50:46,259maybe it's a short list, maybeit's 20 of these feeds that80500:50:46,259 --> 00:50:47,219exist. I don't know, we80600:50:47,220 --> 00:50:50,520Adam Curry: just, we just needto know what the deal is. Right?80700:50:50,820 --> 00:50:51,030And80800:50:51,059 --> 00:50:55,049Dave Jones: I mean, the having ablog tag is okay, because there80900:50:55,049 --> 00:50:59,009are private thieves out therelog members only fade and it's81000:50:59,009 --> 00:51:03,809messy, and I'm okay with havingsome sort of blog tag it to give81100:51:03,839 --> 00:51:09,029a signal because we don't have abetter way to do it. But, and,81200:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,819you know, HTTP basicauthentication is this whole81300:51:11,819 --> 00:51:15,929thing is a mess. Honestly, sure.Is. The whole thing is screwed81400:51:15,929 --> 00:51:19,589up. If we have this screwed upsystem anyway, I mean, like81500:51:19,619 --> 00:51:23,759this, this is like you're justadding lipstick on a pig at this81600:51:23,759 --> 00:51:28,289point. But But I mean, I don'tthat that's that's kind of where81700:51:28,289 --> 00:51:31,709I'm where I'm standing on itnow. And I really will I need an81800:51:31,709 --> 00:51:36,329answer to this question. AndI've put James's reached out to81900:51:36,389 --> 00:51:40,859everybody. I've reached outthrough a contact of mine82000:51:40,889 --> 00:51:44,759through another third party whoknows somebody in Amazon and I'm82100:51:44,759 --> 00:51:47,549trying to get answers to thesequestions so that I know how to82200:51:47,549 --> 00:51:51,629proceed and if they if it comesback of, well, I don't even know82300:51:51,629 --> 00:51:54,479why that's in there. Well, thenI'm seriously I'm just going to82400:51:54,479 --> 00:51:57,869create a whitelist and juststart these when feeds fall into82500:51:57,869 --> 00:51:59,609this category. I'm just gonnastart sticking them in the list82600:51:59,609 --> 00:52:03,149and say, we're, we're ignoringthis tag for these feeds. Right.82700:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,249Okay. Now, I don't know anythingelse. I don't know what else to82800:52:05,249 --> 00:52:05,519do.82900:52:05,610 --> 00:52:09,210Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm big. Idid get when you're so resolute.83000:52:10,590 --> 00:52:13,230This that's me resin. But thatbut there is also something to83100:52:13,230 --> 00:52:17,070be said for the podcast industryto universe and this would be83200:52:17,340 --> 00:52:21,000this is a good one to douniversally support the podcast,83300:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,930namespace block tag. So theircustomers when creating fields,83400:52:24,930 --> 00:52:28,890they can make a choice and maketheir choice known to the world83500:52:28,980 --> 00:52:30,690so that everybody understandsit.83600:52:32,790 --> 00:52:36,540Dave Jones: Agree. Yeah, Iagree. And and I can, you know,83700:52:36,540 --> 00:52:41,400I've said before, one of themost difficult parts of this job83800:52:41,400 --> 00:52:47,190as far as you know, as far asthe podcast namespace is83900:52:47,190 --> 00:52:50,490concerned, the podcasting 2.0side of things, is it is not84000:52:50,490 --> 00:52:54,030just code, it's code and then abunch of a bunch of zoom84100:52:54,030 --> 00:52:57,330meetings with people and stufflike that trend. You have to be84200:52:57,330 --> 00:53:01,680a coder and an evangelist. Andthe evangelism part is hard and84300:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,480exhausting. And so that I tendto not do it as much as I84400:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,160should. So I should be beatingthe bushes and saying, Hey, this84500:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,650tag is screwed up, use thepodcast namespace bog tag84600:53:13,650 --> 00:53:17,070instead. Right? Right, please.Please, at least add it beside84700:53:17,070 --> 00:53:18,000the other. Yes.84800:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,990Adam Curry: All right. Well,since we're on Apple, let's, uh,84900:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,050more bring up another topic,which you and I disagree on.85000:53:26,220 --> 00:53:29,730Really? Yeah, we do. Get youeven said we disagree on this.85100:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,540And this is why the value forvalue you're85200:53:33,540 --> 00:53:34,320Dave Jones: wrong and clearly.85300:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,920Adam Curry: Well, this is theconversation about why the value85400:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,980for value podcast apps have notbeen tagged or flagged by85500:53:47,010 --> 00:53:51,960Apple's App Store for theirviolation of their guidelines.85600:53:52,740 --> 00:53:57,990And if I can summarize, I wouldsay that your view is Apple was85700:53:57,990 --> 00:54:00,210giving us a break. And85800:54:06,960 --> 00:54:13,590now, okay, I'll read summarize.Your view is because they're in85900:54:13,590 --> 00:54:19,140the space, they are cautious tokick apps out for antitrust86000:54:19,140 --> 00:54:19,800issues.86100:54:22,290 --> 00:54:26,880Dave Jones: Yes, because bookbook there. I think they feel86200:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,110comfortable kicking Nasir outbecause not because they because86300:54:31,110 --> 00:54:35,190Apple does not have amonetization strategy in the86400:54:35,190 --> 00:54:39,210social networking sphere. Butthey do have a monetization86500:54:39,210 --> 00:54:44,760strategy in the podcasts sphere.So they if they kick out value86600:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,370for value podcast apps, it lookslike a conflict of interest.86700:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,270Adam Curry: Okay, so that isyour position. Yes. And others86800:54:54,270 --> 00:54:58,290have have wondered out loudWell, if noster apps are being86900:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,060being tagged and filled I haveto remove zap functionality.87000:55:03,270 --> 00:55:08,790It's curious that the podcastsvalue for value apps aren't87100:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,970receiving the same treatment.And I want to reset everybody's87200:55:14,970 --> 00:55:21,930mind for a moment. Because it'sapples and oranges zaps on a87300:55:21,930 --> 00:55:28,260social network is nowhere nearvalue for value streaming87400:55:28,260 --> 00:55:32,880payments or booster grams. In apodcast app, it is two87500:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,330completely different animals,the only thing that is the same87600:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,470is the Lightning Network andSatoshis. That's the only thing.87700:55:41,670 --> 00:55:45,720And if you read the guidelines,and I made a study of this,87800:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,930because this is this is one ofthe most important things in my87900:55:48,930 --> 00:55:55,200life, it is my life right now.That that this system keeps88000:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,430functioning because I have livedby this value for value system88100:55:59,430 --> 00:56:04,290for 16 years, I have not taken asingle penny from any corporate88200:56:04,290 --> 00:56:08,190company, any advertiser, not ashare. I'm not I'm not an88300:56:08,190 --> 00:56:11,850advisor, and nothing, nothing,it's only been what people have88400:56:11,850 --> 00:56:16,500sent and mainly on no agendathrough PayPal. And this was the88500:56:16,530 --> 00:56:20,670the upgrade the solidificationof the entire system. Because88600:56:20,700 --> 00:56:24,930you know, as we know from PayPalpocalypse PayPal is a very weak88700:56:24,930 --> 00:56:28,980link in the in the process. Andobviously Bitcoin, the Lightning88800:56:29,010 --> 00:56:32,580Network, fulfill some of thesense of anti censorship part.88900:56:33,330 --> 00:56:39,300But the guidelines for Appleclearly state that you can tip89000:56:39,690 --> 00:56:45,870or donate to a creator. Ibelieve there's a huge89100:56:45,870 --> 00:56:53,100distinction and differencebetween a post calling that89200:56:53,100 --> 00:56:56,250something from a creator, youcan really start to get it this89300:56:56,250 --> 00:56:59,310is why I've never liked the termcreator. Because yeah, you know,89400:56:59,310 --> 00:57:02,070I took a shit and I took apicture of it. I'm a creator,89500:57:02,520 --> 00:57:09,180you know, a post, which someonethen zaps that post, as they89600:57:09,180 --> 00:57:14,010said, in their argumentation todamos. They said, that can be89700:57:14,010 --> 00:57:20,250used as a quid pro quo. So hey,if I'm an influencer, and I post89800:57:20,250 --> 00:57:23,760something about your company,you will then zap that post.89900:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,420That is completely differentfrom value for value. Besides90000:57:30,420 --> 00:57:33,900the name as it implies, and theentire we've published, what90100:57:33,900 --> 00:57:39,030value for value is it's timetalent, treasure, it's returning90200:57:39,030 --> 00:57:41,700value that you feel you'vereceived from the entire90300:57:41,700 --> 00:57:46,320product, there is almost it'salmost unthinkable that someone90400:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,140would do an entire podcast for aquid pro quo for your booster90500:57:52,140 --> 00:58:02,070gram. And the the whole systemis set up and named in a very,90600:58:02,070 --> 00:58:05,910very different manner. And very,if you look at the guidelines,90700:58:06,120 --> 00:58:12,510it's so exact and spot on, rightdown to its name, that it's just90800:58:12,510 --> 00:58:16,410not the same thing. And I thinkApple recognizes that now. Is90900:58:16,410 --> 00:58:20,670there a tinge of hey, ifanything, I think that they're91000:58:20,670 --> 00:58:25,620afraid. They're afraid if theywere to to stop this system,91100:58:26,430 --> 00:58:29,910that they could lose marketshare in the podcasting apps,91200:58:30,210 --> 00:58:34,260app sphere, people would revoltand that that can happen. I91300:58:34,260 --> 00:58:37,500think we're way too far down theroad for them to start kicking91400:58:38,100 --> 00:58:41,160value for value podcast apps outof the system, but it's not for91500:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,030anti competitive reasons. As yousaid earlier, as we agree, they91600:58:45,030 --> 00:58:48,030don't give a shit about anybodyelse. Apple does not give a shit91700:58:48,030 --> 00:58:52,140about you, me, the podcast namesbased podcasting, they don't91800:58:52,140 --> 00:58:55,710care about anything. They careabout Apple. They they're91900:58:55,770 --> 00:58:59,610they're not giving anybody abreak or leniency. And I hate92000:58:59,610 --> 00:59:03,210hearing that, because that makesme very nervous. If that were92100:59:03,210 --> 00:59:06,480true, then they can wake up onemorning and say they could do92200:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,720that anyway, obviously, theycould wake up and say, Screw92300:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,000these guys don't like himanymore. So the one where we92400:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,210have to be this, this will begoing back three years in time92500:59:15,210 --> 00:59:16,800all let's be nice to Apple.92600:59:17,489 --> 00:59:20,669Dave Jones: Oh, no, I, hey,we're on the same page with92700:59:20,669 --> 00:59:25,169that. I mean, this is not that.When I say that, that when I say92800:59:25,169 --> 00:59:27,839that? That was my feeling. It'snot as Donald say that out of92900:59:27,839 --> 00:59:28,289hope.93000:59:29,340 --> 00:59:31,890Adam Curry: No, I know, I knowthat our citizens know that. But93100:59:31,890 --> 00:59:37,110I want I want it to be knownthat the value for value is so93200:59:37,110 --> 00:59:41,010far removed from what noster isdoing. And in addition, in93300:59:41,010 --> 00:59:45,030addition, the splits the valuesplits is has created an93400:59:45,030 --> 00:59:49,890ecosystem that is recognized asnot something that you know Kim93500:59:49,890 --> 00:59:56,190Kardashian is ever going to usethis and this is this is and I93600:59:56,190 --> 00:59:59,010believe that it's true thesocial networking aspect of93700:59:59,010 --> 01:00:05,190noster With zaps, is completelyopen to a payment system for93801:00:05,190 --> 01:00:08,880digital assets. Hey, man, I'llpost this right now. Boom,93901:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,750there's a zap. That's not howpodcasts work. Podcast, don't94001:00:12,750 --> 01:00:18,750you don't just whip up a podcastepisode. podcast episodes are94101:00:18,750 --> 01:00:23,760value created in advance andpeople can value that back. It's94201:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,180not the same as a post that wasdone a nostril? Do we agree on94301:00:27,180 --> 01:00:27,540that?94401:00:30,420 --> 01:00:34,320Dave Jones: I mean, I agree. Iguess the question is, does94501:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,460anybody else, you know, thepeople that they get to make94601:00:38,460 --> 01:00:39,120decisions?94701:00:39,389 --> 01:00:42,599Adam Curry: Well, okay, anybodymystery? Yeah, of course,94801:00:42,599 --> 01:00:45,509anybody can can change. They canchange their guidelines tomorrow94901:00:45,509 --> 01:00:48,599if they want. But moreimportantly, I want everyone to95001:00:48,599 --> 01:00:53,849see value for value as somethingmuch bigger than a payment95101:00:53,849 --> 01:00:57,599system, which is why, you know,when there's when there's a95201:00:58,439 --> 01:01:01,649suggestion, saying, Hey, we canjust do this with dollars now.95301:01:01,679 --> 01:01:05,579No, it's, it's not even aboutdollars, it's about value95401:01:05,579 --> 01:01:10,109received value returned. It's aprogramming format. It's not95501:01:10,109 --> 01:01:16,049just a payment system. It's ait's a philosophy. It's, it's a95601:01:16,049 --> 01:01:22,469model for doing a podcast, notexpect to get paid for it, but95701:01:22,469 --> 01:01:25,769to be doing it because you'rereceiving value for what you95801:01:25,769 --> 01:01:30,689did. And that can be a nicenote, it can be someone creating95901:01:30,689 --> 01:01:33,749some art for you, someonecreating a jingle, someone's96001:01:33,749 --> 01:01:38,099sending you an email that youcan use in your program. It is a96101:01:38,099 --> 01:01:43,979modern content format, thatincludes a monetary value96201:01:43,979 --> 01:01:49,049mechanism as one of the options.It's way beyond a, it's not like96301:01:49,049 --> 01:01:52,859advertising. It's just not it'snot like I'm going to do this96401:01:52,859 --> 01:01:57,359show. And if I just if as longas I have a value block in my96501:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,619feed, I'll get paid. No, youwon't. There's an ask. There's a96601:02:01,619 --> 01:02:05,039recognition, it's all spelledout of value for value dot info,96701:02:05,339 --> 01:02:08,489it's very important that peopleunderstand that this goes way96801:02:08,489 --> 01:02:13,109beyond the monetary aspect. Itis, in fact, I think the saving96901:02:13,109 --> 01:02:16,469grace for podcast movingforward, as everything is97001:02:16,469 --> 01:02:18,059collapsing upon itself.97101:02:19,530 --> 01:02:23,670Dave Jones: I wish I wish I hadclipped it. But coder radio, in97201:02:23,670 --> 01:02:26,220the last couple of episodes,Chris has been talking about,97301:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,120you know, losing an advertiserand that kind of thing and, and97401:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,750how they're, you know, reallygoing in with, with boosts, and97501:02:33,750 --> 01:02:36,750you're going to, you know, havethat try to make that a part of97601:02:36,750 --> 01:02:41,100their revenue stream. And he,it's good to listen to the most97701:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,470recent episode because he goesin at the, you know, they they97801:02:43,470 --> 01:02:48,870talk about you talking about theask, he says, you know, a, our97901:02:48,870 --> 01:02:54,510goal for this for each episodeis 500,000 SATs. That's what we98001:02:54,540 --> 01:02:57,750would, that's what our targetis. And he tells everybody up98101:02:57,750 --> 01:03:01,560front, that's, we want you to wewant you to boost and we want98201:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,520you we are trying to achieve500,000 sets. And at the end of98301:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,930the episode, he said, here's howmuch we actually got. Keep that98401:03:09,930 --> 01:03:13,020in mind for next episode. Andlet's try to hit the 500,00098501:03:13,020 --> 01:03:18,060mark. He's He's being very openand transparent about what he98601:03:18,060 --> 01:03:23,910wants his audience to do. Andthen me, you know, I boosted98701:03:23,910 --> 01:03:27,420into the show last couple ofweeks, talking about a specific98801:03:27,420 --> 01:03:31,650topic and response to somethingand then Alex boosted in and in98901:03:31,650 --> 01:03:34,380responding to something I said,then I boosted back and we've99001:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,910like, it's been this fun, backand forth where we as the99101:03:38,910 --> 01:03:43,260audience have been boosting in,like having conversations with99201:03:43,260 --> 01:03:46,620ourselves and the host at thesame time interacting all99301:03:46,620 --> 01:03:50,610together. And it became it's,it's a whole it's created an99401:03:50,610 --> 01:03:55,830entire little sort of showwithin a show. Yes. And that's99501:03:55,860 --> 01:04:01,470like that whole thing. That's myway of saying that. I think99601:04:01,470 --> 01:04:05,910you're I think you're rightabout this. Is Is Boost is99701:04:05,910 --> 01:04:09,930boosts and booster gram going toreplace all of your advertising.99801:04:09,990 --> 01:04:17,250No. But what Chris is doingethic ism and and chyron as well99901:04:17,250 --> 01:04:24,660for Mere Mortals. They areshowing, they're showing how you100001:04:24,660 --> 01:04:27,630can begin to make the Trentonlike make the transition.100101:04:28,170 --> 01:04:31,290Adam Curry: I'm going to take itone step further. I enjoyed100201:04:31,290 --> 01:04:35,370hearing Christopher Lydon on thepod news weekly review. I know100301:04:35,370 --> 01:04:41,970Chris, I remember very well whenwhen Dave put his radio show100401:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,220into into an enclosure which wehad running for three years100501:04:47,220 --> 01:04:50,970before that and we're doing allkinds of stuff and I was able to100601:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,540receive it on my radio userlandand this is before I had made100701:04:54,540 --> 01:04:58,290the connection with with iPodwhich is really how the you know100801:04:58,290 --> 01:05:01,620the podcasting Park cametogether, okay, call it a it's100901:05:01,620 --> 01:05:05,100clearly a podcast, call it thefirst podcast ever, it's fine.101001:05:06,630 --> 01:05:13,530But what he still has, and hestill holds is the social101101:05:13,530 --> 01:05:17,160aspect. He has a group ofpodcasters. And I guess they all101201:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,310listen to each other's podcast.It's still kind of, in a way101301:05:20,310 --> 01:05:24,690like the early audio blogging,and it's and his spoken hub101401:05:24,690 --> 01:05:27,780model, whatever he calls it, butit's different. It's different101501:05:27,780 --> 01:05:31,800real voices that are out there.And this was indeed, the101601:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,250original intent beforepodcasting, but I was a part of101701:05:35,250 --> 01:05:40,770that. We got overly horriblycommercialize in its in its101801:05:40,770 --> 01:05:44,820intent. I mean, I did soundseeing tours, I'd go out with101901:05:44,820 --> 01:05:48,240binaural microphones, and I'dwalk around Union Square at102001:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,190midnight and talk to thehomeless people in San102101:05:50,190 --> 01:05:54,540Francisco, and you would hearthe sounds of the streets and we102201:05:54,540 --> 01:05:58,380were doing a lot ofexperimentation. But when I hear102301:05:58,380 --> 01:06:00,600Christopher Lydon saying, Hey, Inever made a penny off of102401:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,440podcasting, then like, yes,bingo, that's the point.102501:06:04,710 --> 01:06:09,270Podcasting, like blogging, whichwent through the same cycle.102601:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,900It's not a thing. It's not likegetting into radio or getting102701:06:12,900 --> 01:06:16,560into television. Do you have areason you want to communicate102801:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,430something and you want acommunity, you want to build a102901:06:20,430 --> 01:06:24,990community that receives it, ifyou are only doing this to make103001:06:24,990 --> 01:06:28,260money, that is you're going tobe a part of a very, very small103101:06:28,260 --> 01:06:32,730set of people. But if you'redoing it to receive value back,103201:06:33,450 --> 01:06:37,740if you go into it with thatmindset, that's when it gets103301:06:37,740 --> 01:06:41,400beautiful, because that's whenyou open up something that radio103401:06:41,400 --> 01:06:46,080has never successfully done ishad your community become a part103501:06:46,140 --> 01:06:51,060of, of the podcast become a partof the product through feedback103601:06:51,060 --> 01:06:56,970mechanisms, which include now,direct value, a monetary form,103701:06:56,970 --> 01:07:01,830but I would, I would argue, thenumerology is perhaps even more103801:07:01,830 --> 01:07:06,210important than the value of thenumbers themselves. Satchel of103901:07:06,210 --> 01:07:12,600Richards row of ducks 6969 808,these are all she slammed104001:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,190Satoshi slam, these are striperbooths, these are all content104101:07:17,190 --> 01:07:21,660messages that you're allowingpeople to create to be a part of104201:07:21,660 --> 01:07:27,120the program. And this is whereeverybody can find happiness in104301:07:27,120 --> 01:07:33,300podcasting. If your happiness isgoing to come from money, well,104401:07:33,300 --> 01:07:36,390you're going to be disappointed.I'm just telling you right now,104501:07:36,390 --> 01:07:41,520because it's very hard to make aliving doing this unless you104601:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,340have something that you arecreating that is so valuable104701:07:44,340 --> 01:07:48,030that people want to contributevalue back, which actually makes104801:07:48,030 --> 01:07:51,330the program even more valuable.I'll just tell you how it works104901:07:51,330 --> 01:08:01,500with no agenda. Everything I do90% comes from the audience who105001:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,050we don't even call listeners wecall them producers for a105101:08:04,050 --> 01:08:08,430reason. They're sending meclips, links, personal stories,105201:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,600thoughts, information, bullcrap,all kinds of stuff they're105301:08:12,600 --> 01:08:18,150sending, and I am packaging thatinto a show the people who can't105401:08:18,180 --> 01:08:22,860do that send value in adifferent way. And they do that105501:08:22,860 --> 01:08:27,240through a monetary unit. Buteverybody is contributing and is105601:08:27,270 --> 01:08:32,550equally as valuable to theactual product. That to me is105701:08:32,550 --> 01:08:36,960what podcasting is. It's notjust a product, it's like this105801:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,770music show. I'm not just gonnasit here and just play tracks105901:08:40,770 --> 01:08:44,640and count the money that comesin. So I'm taking the 5% and the106001:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,860artists get 95% That's going tobe a shit show. I want people106101:08:49,950 --> 01:08:54,450finding songs, you know, I wantartists feeding back106201:08:54,450 --> 01:08:58,500information, I'm going to be thecontent router that makes all106301:08:58,500 --> 01:09:03,090this happen. And the value thatis represented is coming.106401:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,070Everyone contributes to that.It's podcasting is not just like106501:09:08,070 --> 01:09:11,340a radio show where you get paidat the end of the month based on106601:09:11,340 --> 01:09:16,470how many listeners you had. Itis irrelevant. This This project106701:09:16,680 --> 01:09:22,410is so clearly value for value.We have 12,000 people that106801:09:22,410 --> 01:09:26,880listen maybe on a monthly basis12,000 uniques, maybe if that106901:09:26,880 --> 01:09:31,410probably less. But the projectruns it sustains everybody is a107001:09:31,410 --> 01:09:34,200part of it. And it's not justmoney.107101:09:36,090 --> 01:09:42,060Dave Jones: But my dad said mydad said a long time ago he was107201:09:42,750 --> 01:09:46,320a deacon in the church and hewas saying that when you're107301:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,370looking around for people to bedeacons. What you do is you you107401:09:50,370 --> 01:09:52,800look for the people who arealready doing the work of the107501:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,690deacon. And those are the peopleyou nominate to be a deacon. So107601:09:57,690 --> 01:10:00,450like he was talking about andthat can be this engine General107701:10:00,660 --> 01:10:03,630can be expanded to all serve,you know, all all sorts of like107801:10:03,630 --> 01:10:08,010service things, you, you look,the people who are going to be107901:10:08,610 --> 01:10:13,410the people who are going to dothe best in a passion project108001:10:13,410 --> 01:10:16,860are the people who are alreadydoing it before, there's any108101:10:16,860 --> 01:10:20,640question of reward or anythinglike that is the thing I like108201:10:20,940 --> 01:10:26,460the most, it's like the podcastthat, that I am going to start108301:10:26,460 --> 01:10:28,650already recorded one of theepisodes of the little, you108401:10:28,650 --> 01:10:34,080know, nice nightstand bookpodcast, that, you know, that108501:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,350thing I just, I just want to dois I feel like I feel like I'm108601:10:37,350 --> 01:10:42,720just dying to do this thing. Butthere's really I haven't even108701:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,630really thought about anythinginvolving money. I don't even108801:10:45,630 --> 01:10:48,990know if that will ever happen. Idoubt it will. It's not really108901:10:48,990 --> 01:10:55,890that sort of thing. So like,it's, it's the podcasting is you109001:10:55,890 --> 01:10:58,260can tell when people are doingit, because they have a passion.109101:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,600You can tell when people aredoing it, because they've,109201:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,340they've put together a mathproblem where they can end exit109301:11:05,340 --> 01:11:08,190the end of the month withcertain X number of dollars,109401:11:08,220 --> 01:11:10,590right? in those in those thingsare just not compelling to me at109501:11:10,590 --> 01:11:10,860all.109601:11:12,180 --> 01:11:14,940Adam Curry: And that makes you atrue podcaster I'm just gonna109701:11:14,940 --> 01:11:18,600get I mean, I read this thismorning, and it really helped me109801:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,360a lot Ecclesiastes night. Iknow, but I'm just gonna do a109901:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,540Bible a little bit of a Bibleverse, Bible Study Bible study,110001:11:24,750 --> 01:11:28,260the race is not to the Swift orthe battle to the strong, nor110101:11:28,260 --> 01:11:31,530does the food come to the wiseor wealth to the brilliant or110201:11:31,530 --> 01:11:34,830favorite to the learned, buttime and chance happen to them110301:11:34,830 --> 01:11:38,400all. And what this really meansis, you're not doing this for110401:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,170those reasons it Life is notfair. People say hey, man, do110501:11:43,170 --> 01:11:45,240you are one of the CO inventorsof podcasting while you're not a110601:11:45,240 --> 01:11:50,430billionaire? Well, I don't know.That's just the way it is. But110701:11:50,430 --> 01:11:53,280you're not doing it for thosereasons. If you're doing it for110801:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,920those reasons, you're just goingto be disappointed at the end of110901:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,850the road. Don't let theinequities of life. keep you111001:11:59,850 --> 01:12:04,230from doing fun things earnest,dedicated stuff that you want to111101:12:04,230 --> 01:12:09,390do. Yes. And that's the point.That's what makes podcasting so111201:12:09,390 --> 01:12:14,490beautiful. And I and it pains mewhen people are, you know, are111301:12:14,490 --> 01:12:19,140disappointed because they didn'tget any value in return, which111401:12:19,140 --> 01:12:23,160the only way they measure thatis by you know, okay, to some111501:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,490degree, there's stats in your,in your dashboard, the Hey, I111601:12:26,490 --> 01:12:29,310got three guys in Belgiumlistening. Okay, that might be111701:12:29,310 --> 01:12:34,650kind of interesting. Or, youknow, I made $50 Well, one bill,111801:12:34,650 --> 01:12:37,800I'm putting all this all thiswork in only getting 50 bucks.111901:12:38,130 --> 01:12:42,810These are the wrong metrics. Youwant the love coming back from112001:12:42,810 --> 01:12:46,650people? And and boosting isloving.112101:12:48,780 --> 01:12:57,030Dave Jones: But that, yes. Thethe feedback, the feedback loop112201:12:57,030 --> 01:13:03,030within a podcast is it changeseverything. And it's, it makes112301:13:03,030 --> 01:13:06,510all the difference. I listened.I listened to an episode of112401:13:06,510 --> 01:13:11,100fresh air today. It's not reallya list of things I listened to,112501:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,010but somebody sent me an episodeof it. So listen to it. And it112601:13:14,010 --> 01:13:17,760was good. It was good episode.And but it was so like at the112701:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,580end of it. I felt I'm like,Okay, I feel like I just kind of112801:13:20,580 --> 01:13:25,710read a Wikipedia article. Yeah,I don't feel like I was sort of112901:13:25,710 --> 01:13:29,700like that beauty of podcasting,where you feel like, you're,113001:13:29,970 --> 01:13:32,910you're involved like you'reyou're, you felt like there's a113101:13:32,910 --> 01:13:36,840connection between you and thein the host and the guest and113201:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,170all these? Like, I didn't getany of that. No, for that113301:13:40,170 --> 01:13:43,680reason. For that reason. I didnot. I didn't hit the subscribe.113401:13:43,710 --> 01:13:46,830I'm not going to put that inrotation. Because while it was113501:13:46,830 --> 01:13:50,700helpful, and I thought that theinformation was good. I mean, I113601:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,840don't it's not a thing that it'snot compelling. And so I don't113701:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,730want you know, I don't want toread Wikipedia all113801:13:56,730 --> 01:14:01,500Adam Curry: day. So when I hearour premier news weekly program113901:14:01,530 --> 01:14:06,810of the industry podcast weeklyreview, when I hear the booster114001:14:06,810 --> 01:14:09,630Graham corner, and theexplanation is well, it's little114101:14:09,630 --> 01:14:13,440bits of money people can send toyou and wow, there's 10,000 in114201:14:13,440 --> 01:14:18,090the last $10,000 In the last 30days. That's not to me, that's114301:14:18,090 --> 01:14:22,050not what value for value isabout. Value for value is a114401:14:22,050 --> 01:14:28,110feedback mechanism. That thatthat allows you to do exactly114501:14:28,110 --> 01:14:31,650what you couldn't do with freshair. If you'd been able to set114601:14:31,650 --> 01:14:38,340and it's whether it's you know,10,000 SATs or 100 SATs, it114701:14:38,340 --> 01:14:40,980doesn't matter. Me, probably thenumber would be more114801:14:40,980 --> 01:14:49,170interesting. You know, Hey, Amygross 808 her, you know, that's114901:14:49,230 --> 01:14:55,350that's what it's about that isand that in Christopher Lydon115001:14:55,350 --> 01:14:59,430brought me back to those dayswhere he was saying hey, we just115101:14:59,430 --> 01:15:02,490wanted to have Different,different voices about the Iraq115201:15:02,490 --> 01:15:06,540war. We wanted to have differentvoices about the economy at that115301:15:06,540 --> 01:15:10,650point. You know, we just wantedsomething we wanted to hear from115401:15:10,650 --> 01:15:13,920each other from from people fromreal people. And you know, it115501:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,330didn't matter if you have namesor oz errs, which now there's115601:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,360entire industries toautomatically chop that out,115701:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,410make sure you don't sound human,whatever you do, make sure all115801:15:25,410 --> 01:15:28,830that stuff is edited out,please, let's not have any human115901:15:28,860 --> 01:15:33,090interaction. That's what we'relosing. With that kind of116001:15:33,090 --> 01:15:33,720thinking.116101:15:34,530 --> 01:15:38,040Dave Jones: Did when you whenyou had the idea for the116201:15:38,040 --> 01:15:44,670enclosure? Where was money inthat thought process? Nowhere.116301:15:45,420 --> 01:15:50,280That's, that's what I thoughtit. And I would say that. That's116401:15:50,280 --> 01:15:55,050true for let's just take, let'sjust say, Sam over a pod fans.116501:15:56,700 --> 01:15:59,850He raised he raised the seedround to get the thing off the116601:15:59,850 --> 01:16:06,240ground. But you can tell when hesends us a days. And he has all116701:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,750these screenshots and all thesethings about the features that116801:16:09,750 --> 01:16:12,540they're implementing. This isnot about money for him. No,116901:16:13,620 --> 01:16:18,540this is, yeah, this is a passionproject. Where in in the passion117001:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,700is from a distance, what I cansee is that the passion is look117101:16:23,700 --> 01:16:27,780at all of these protocols thatoffer a so many cool things I117201:16:27,780 --> 01:16:32,280want to do all of them. That'swhere he's coming from. He's117301:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,550like, there's a thing thatexists that is not fully117401:16:35,550 --> 01:16:40,020consumed, and I want to consumeit. And that that is a it's just117501:16:40,050 --> 01:16:43,230I don't, I don't believe for onesecond that it's that is a117601:16:43,230 --> 01:16:45,810primarily a money play.Otherwise, it would just be117701:16:46,230 --> 01:16:49,590another app. And it's not justanother app. It's a it's a it117801:16:49,590 --> 01:16:52,800has its own unique identity,that's going to be a big deal.117901:16:52,890 --> 01:16:55,680Adam Curry: I wanted to be abroadcaster I wanted, that's all118001:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,940I've ever wanted to do. I was apirate radio guy. We had118101:16:59,940 --> 01:17:02,850advertising on the station,which paid for the rent and paid118201:17:02,850 --> 01:17:06,660for the transmitter for thepower. And if the FCC came by118301:17:06,660 --> 01:17:08,490and took all our crap wecouldn't you had a little118401:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280reserved so we could set it upwithin three hours be back on118501:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,630the air. When I worked atprofessional radio stations, I118601:17:15,630 --> 01:17:18,630would have paid I would havepaid to do it. I love doing that118701:17:18,630 --> 01:17:24,360I loved I love the medium. Ilove creating I just the idea118801:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,110that I could create my own radioshow because that's how I viewed118901:17:28,110 --> 01:17:30,780it at the time. Withouttransmitters. We don't need no119001:17:30,780 --> 01:17:36,450stinking transmitters, without aboss without a hotline that119101:17:36,450 --> 01:17:39,570could ring if I said somethingwrong. Or if I didn't sound119201:17:39,570 --> 01:17:44,190professional, or, you know, thatwas that was always the intent119301:17:44,220 --> 01:17:45,330always.119401:17:47,189 --> 01:17:50,099Dave Jones: Alex said I alwayssaid I certainly don't think119501:17:50,099 --> 01:17:53,579about money in any of the specsthat I write. And you can do,119601:17:53,729 --> 01:17:56,819you can do. And I would go sofar as to say that119701:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,340Adam Curry: is anybody heremaking money in this whole119801:17:59,340 --> 01:18:02,070project? Please, please,119901:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,660Dave Jones: I would get I wouldgo so far as to say that. That120001:18:06,660 --> 01:18:08,850may be something that that maybe part of the problem with120101:18:08,850 --> 01:18:15,600Apple, you know, at Apple, Applepodcasts probably started off as120201:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,800a more pure play because therewas there was absolutely zero120301:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,300money in it from the beginning.And now there now it's different120401:18:24,300 --> 01:18:28,620leadership styles gone. There'sthere's a new, there's new120501:18:28,620 --> 01:18:33,390people involved. And it is itdoes have a monetization play.120601:18:33,480 --> 01:18:36,870Sure. And that's probably there.They've they've probably drifted120701:18:36,870 --> 01:18:39,300from that pure sort of openethos as well.120801:18:40,740 --> 01:18:44,040Adam Curry: Yeah. And of course,of course, I mean, but I'll say120901:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,160that Mayo when I when I met withSteve, and he introduced121001:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,930podcasting in iTunes. And whenhe played the daily source code,121101:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,860he and I had already discussedat that meeting, he says, Well,121201:18:55,890 --> 01:18:58,590do you intend to make money? Isaid, Well, I think the only way121301:18:58,590 --> 01:19:02,250I can see right now is and Iremember exactly what I said, is121401:19:02,250 --> 01:19:05,190advertising. But we have tochange advertising. That was121501:19:05,220 --> 01:19:08,790always my thinking we have tochange advertising. And we tried121601:19:08,790 --> 01:19:13,860very hard. It was it was kind ofback to the old days of talking121701:19:13,860 --> 01:19:17,190about a product what we'd callnow the host endorsement, which121801:19:17,220 --> 01:19:21,660I don't like that either theseterms because it implies an121901:19:21,660 --> 01:19:26,250endorsement. But that was thatwas always what I had hoped122001:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,950would work. And that neverworked. Host endorsements you122101:19:31,950 --> 01:19:37,380know, there. We're still stuckin the old model of boy you've122201:19:37,380 --> 01:19:42,300got a million listeners. I knowthat if I get you to talk about122301:19:42,300 --> 01:19:46,050my product I'll get X percentwill buy because you said so.122401:19:46,980 --> 01:19:52,680You know it's dishonest isbullcrap. Nobody actually likes122501:19:52,680 --> 01:19:53,520my pillow.122601:19:56,010 --> 01:19:57,660Dave Jones: So but I mean,122701:19:58,230 --> 01:20:01,740Adam Curry: I mean come onSquarespace Now Splenda really122801:20:01,770 --> 01:20:07,320really Splenda by since SEO Imean all these it there was just122901:20:07,920 --> 01:20:15,000it's not podcasting isinherently not a great way to to123001:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,670do advertising is just not andnow we have we have expanded I123101:20:20,670 --> 01:20:27,570think just chipped away at thepodcast Industrial Complex has123201:20:27,570 --> 01:20:32,280now created the entire systemsthat will make sure that oh123301:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,240advertiser that not only willyou not you know advertise on123401:20:36,240 --> 01:20:40,470the shows that are wrong buteven if there's someone makes an123501:20:40,470 --> 01:20:43,380ad hominem attack againstsomebody else you won't get123601:20:43,380 --> 01:20:47,070caught in the crossfire come onWhat are we talking about? Yes,123701:20:47,100 --> 01:20:50,370that means is nothing but theall you can do is advertise on123801:20:50,370 --> 01:20:55,830fresh air. That's basically it.The most safe you know, non123901:20:55,830 --> 01:21:00,750combative, whatever. That's notwhat podcasting is for. I want124001:21:00,750 --> 01:21:04,770to hear crazy people. I want tohear people who have great ideas124101:21:04,770 --> 01:21:09,210who are doing nutso stuff I wantto hear crazy music. I mean, I124201:21:09,210 --> 01:21:13,200want to be I want to be I wantmy mind blown. I wanted the124301:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,230first people who came in topodcasting were the god casters.124401:21:16,230 --> 01:21:20,670They got it. Hey, I've got avery unpopular format for radio.124501:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,760Yeah, I'm gonna read the Bible.I'm gonna read the Bible and I'm124601:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,920going to interpret it a my wayin my my, my conviction. This124701:21:28,950 --> 01:21:30,660that was amazing to me.124801:21:34,109 --> 01:21:38,249Dave Jones: It's funny. So whenyou this is we're on this topic.124901:21:39,929 --> 01:21:45,329Crillon asked Lydon. You knowwhat, what did he think podcast?125001:21:45,539 --> 01:21:48,089What did he think podcasting wasgoing to be in the future? I125101:21:48,089 --> 01:21:52,469kind of think if you takeyourself back to when you first125201:21:55,589 --> 01:22:02,159when you first envisioned whenyou first saw that the Weiner125301:22:02,159 --> 01:22:05,729was going to put the enclosuretag into RSS at first begin the125401:22:05,729 --> 01:22:10,829first beginnings of this thingworking. Did you have any125501:22:10,829 --> 01:22:16,439concepts of what it was going tolook like in the future? And125601:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,069does what it is now reflectanything like what you thought125701:22:20,069 --> 01:22:22,589it may be? Or did you not thinkreally think of any where you've125801:22:22,589 --> 01:22:25,229too focused on just getting thetech working to think about the125901:22:25,229 --> 01:22:25,679future?126001:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,450Adam Curry: I was big, because Iwas focused on getting the tech126101:22:30,450 --> 01:22:33,000working but you only get thetech working if you have the126201:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,810content flowing, absorbs. That'swhy I built a directory, the I126301:22:36,810 --> 01:22:42,990potter.org directory. And Iloved Don and drew. I love the126401:22:42,990 --> 01:22:47,190rock'n'roll geek show. That herewas a guy who was a rocker who126501:22:47,190 --> 01:22:50,340was sitting in front of hismicrophone playing, playing his126601:22:50,340 --> 01:22:54,030own songs. He's like, he drank asix pack Michael Butler would126701:22:54,030 --> 01:22:57,600drink a six pack he was clearlybuzzed. While he was doing this.126801:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,620He was talking about his storieson the road match Weinstein the126901:23:01,620 --> 01:23:06,300bloated lesbian Hello, this wasphenomenal, phenomenal stuff to127001:23:06,300 --> 01:23:10,230listen to. It's still there. Sofor me and that was actually127101:23:10,260 --> 01:23:14,760part of the problem because wewould go to advertisers and say127201:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,460look we got all these coolshows. You know we got the127301:23:17,460 --> 01:23:21,390bloated lesbian we got Dawn andDrew and the address what what127401:23:21,780 --> 01:23:25,500what do you have as him No, it'sphenomenal. This is now because127501:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,950it was so new and you knowpeople would you know they just127601:23:28,950 --> 01:23:31,530kind of like oh, I guess so thisis what the hip kids are doing.127701:23:32,130 --> 01:23:38,190But that's the stuff I mean. Ican hear new shows anywhere127801:23:38,190 --> 01:23:42,690really. But if I even want thestuff that I that pisses me off127901:23:42,690 --> 01:23:46,110like pivot, it's a hate Listen,but it's something that you128001:23:46,110 --> 01:23:51,450could not get you could not getKara Swisher dropping the F bomb128101:23:51,480 --> 01:23:56,880every 10 minutes about Elon Muskon any radio station. I love it.128201:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,510I like it. I enjoy that. So I'vejust wanted to hear is so128301:24:00,510 --> 01:24:05,670restrictive, the medium of radioand television, the 24 hour128401:24:05,670 --> 01:24:09,750clock the linear programming,the linear and horizontal128501:24:09,750 --> 01:24:13,170programming like to say this thesame time every day. We could128601:24:13,170 --> 01:24:16,680determine when we wanted tolisten to this stuff. It was as128701:24:16,680 --> 01:24:21,660exciting as it is today. My mypodcast list is very esoteric.128801:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,130And it still is am so that neverchanged. I got completely128901:24:26,130 --> 01:24:31,800sidetracked, completely suckedup into building a company and129001:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,710when you have a company thenyou've got to find a way to make129101:24:34,710 --> 01:24:39,090money but I it was the pod showdays, some of the unhappiest129201:24:39,090 --> 01:24:40,020days of my life.129301:24:40,470 --> 01:24:42,570Dave Jones: You could tell youcould hear it in your voice.129401:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,420Yeah, you weren't you were soready to get out of there. By129501:24:45,420 --> 01:24:48,270the time no agenda becamefeasible.129601:24:48,330 --> 01:24:51,840Adam Curry: It was it was likeeven before no agenda I sold so129701:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,920I sold my plane. I sold all mypossessions just so I wouldn't129801:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,940have to work. It was likebuilding a beautiful race car.129901:25:00,300 --> 01:25:03,180for NASCAR, I'm gonna drive thisthing around the track. I want130001:25:03,180 --> 01:25:06,180to race the wheels off thissucker. But then they put all130101:25:06,180 --> 01:25:09,030these sponsor stickers all overthe windshield, so I couldn't130201:25:09,030 --> 01:25:10,170see where I was driving.130301:25:14,009 --> 01:25:18,539Dave Jones: Yeah, and that'sstill, that's still the just130401:25:18,539 --> 01:25:22,889like there's this uneasy tensionbetween Apple and the rest of130501:25:22,889 --> 01:25:27,419podcasting, there's still thisuneasy tension between the130601:25:27,449 --> 01:25:31,169monetization side of podcasting.And the hobby side. Well130701:25:31,169 --> 01:25:31,709imagine,130801:25:31,740 --> 01:25:35,640Adam Curry: imagine thedisappointment, when I'm sure I130901:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,000got the call from Steve Jobs. Italked to the guy for an hour,131001:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,810I'm blown away. Turns out Isaved an entire company rogue131101:25:42,810 --> 01:25:48,480amoeba from from going out ofbusiness. You know, the story,131201:25:48,930 --> 01:25:51,480the Audio Hijack Pro,131301:25:52,470 --> 01:25:53,970Dave Jones: and as an accident,131401:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,310Adam Curry: accent Ohconversation. And I gave them131501:25:59,310 --> 01:26:03,870our 5000 listening directed theiPod our.org was a beautiful131601:26:03,870 --> 01:26:11,760directory, because it was anOPML based open outliner. So I131701:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,240had I maintained at the top, no,but anyone could basically131801:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,970maintain it, that was part ofthe beauty of it, you know, just131901:26:17,970 --> 01:26:21,240like anyone can take ourdatabase and build podcasts132001:26:21,240 --> 01:26:25,500index, you know, dotnet, orwhatever, but no one does. And I132101:26:25,500 --> 01:26:29,130had Country Manager, so you'rethe guy in Germany. So I would132201:26:29,130 --> 01:26:33,510use your your outline note as aninclude into Germany, I did it132301:26:33,510 --> 01:26:37,560by geographic region, just tomake it easy. And then in132401:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,580Germany that that person, say,Okay, I'm going to have sub132501:26:41,580 --> 01:26:46,080managers and you collect all ofthe podcasts that are intact,132601:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,850you do news, you do politics,etc, etc. And everyone132701:26:50,850 --> 01:26:53,310maintained their own little nodeon their own server. Now, of132801:26:53,310 --> 01:26:57,600course, you know, with with theexpected results, sometimes132901:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,930something would break, but butthen every night, I would roll133001:27:00,930 --> 01:27:04,680it all up, then I would traversethe entire tree. And then I'd133101:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,080have whatever was new, whateverwas, you know, and I'd have a133201:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,050top note, here's what's newtoday, kind of like the NCSA,133301:27:10,050 --> 01:27:12,360What's New page for those whoare old enough to remember133401:27:12,540 --> 01:27:18,120mosaic. And, and I gave themthat entire directory. So133501:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,360imagine the disappointment whenthey launched iTunes, and the133601:27:21,360 --> 01:27:27,480whole front page was NPR, NPR,BBC, it was all mainstream133701:27:27,480 --> 01:27:31,530stuff. And all the cool stuffwas in there. But it was all you133801:27:31,530 --> 01:27:34,560know, you had to go search it golook in categories. And they put133901:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,250all of the all of the proprofessional stuff, quote,134001:27:38,250 --> 01:27:43,320unquote, on the front. And thewhole beauty of podcasting from134101:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,200that very me That was mymistake, from that very moment.134201:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,420sucked. Apple's made it sucknow, I'm happy that they were134301:27:51,420 --> 01:27:54,870there. But that was just apple.I mean, I was young, I was134401:27:54,930 --> 01:27:58,890inexperienced. What I could haveexpected that. So obvious that134501:27:58,890 --> 01:28:01,290that was going to happen. Oh,yeah. They put me on the front134601:28:01,290 --> 01:28:05,310page for a couple of weeks.Thanks, of course. But I didn't134701:28:05,310 --> 01:28:09,600hit the front page. After that.Maybe maybe one time when no134801:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,570agenda hit 1000 episodes orsomething? They might have done134901:28:12,570 --> 01:28:14,730something nice, but not forlong.135001:28:15,750 --> 01:28:20,010Dave Jones: Why can't we stilldo that? That concept of having135101:28:20,070 --> 01:28:25,500ever having the database split?into multiple, maybe not135201:28:25,500 --> 01:28:28,620regions, but multiple sectionswith different people with135301:28:29,790 --> 01:28:31,140different people curating?135401:28:31,830 --> 01:28:36,450Adam Curry: Oh, I mean, well, ofcourse we can. Like, I love that135501:28:36,450 --> 01:28:40,110idea. I mean, we also do, wedidn't have infrastructure, we135601:28:40,110 --> 01:28:42,570barely had email. I mean, wedidn't have a lot of tools that135701:28:42,570 --> 01:28:47,340we have now. And, and creating,I mean, that just keeping a135801:28:47,340 --> 01:28:51,390weblog up when you got Slashdotthat was that was trouble135901:28:51,390 --> 01:28:54,750enough. So that was Yeah, I gotslashed on it. And that was that136001:28:54,750 --> 01:28:57,810was just keeping your web serverrunning was hard, let alone that136101:28:57,810 --> 01:29:01,920you split up a database and hadregional managers and all this136201:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,790stuff. Everybody was using ownlittle hosting space to host136301:29:05,790 --> 01:29:09,210their OPML file that then wouldbe included in the next guy up136401:29:09,210 --> 01:29:10,200the up the chain.136501:29:10,859 --> 01:29:13,949Dave Jones: I mean, I guess wehave, we have like, you know, we136601:29:13,949 --> 01:29:18,539have like 6 million podcasts inthe database. All told, I mean,136701:29:18,809 --> 01:29:22,259I could see it being split upwith six different people. And,136801:29:22,619 --> 01:29:26,099you know, we, we, we sort ofwere a concentrator that then136901:29:26,099 --> 01:29:30,989hits the appropriate back endwhere, you know, I like that. I137001:29:30,989 --> 01:29:35,189like that idea. It's, you know,you could do with obviously do137101:29:35,189 --> 01:29:37,799with OPML, because the data wassmall and you didn't have, you137201:29:37,799 --> 01:29:40,949know, didn't have millions ofrecords, but I bet we could137301:29:40,949 --> 01:29:42,809still eventually find a way todo that.137401:29:43,050 --> 01:29:45,720Adam Curry: Well, this isessentially what Yahoo initially137501:29:45,720 --> 01:29:50,040was. Yahoo was a directory. It'sa little different from an137601:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,270index. Yeah, a little different137701:29:51,750 --> 01:29:55,560Dave Jones: categories. A littlemore like newsgroups. Yes. Which137801:29:55,560 --> 01:29:55,800is137901:29:55,830 --> 01:29:58,140Adam Curry: oddly how peopleorganize things in their head138001:29:58,140 --> 01:30:02,160quite well, which is why I'm anoutlier. Honor guy. I love138101:30:02,160 --> 01:30:08,700outlines and outliners. Anyway,so that is my, my philosophical138201:30:08,700 --> 01:30:13,650view on what we're doing. Andthank you for listening because138301:30:13,650 --> 01:30:16,410I want it to be clear toeverybody that we've we've138401:30:16,410 --> 01:30:21,900gotten into a loop with thepodcast industrial complex of an138501:30:21,930 --> 01:30:28,650industry. And an industry isalmost kind of counterintuitive138601:30:28,650 --> 01:30:40,920to what the whole medium is.And, and the, the beauty of RSS138701:30:40,920 --> 01:30:45,150distribution, which meanseverybody can also determine138801:30:45,150 --> 01:30:48,450their own playout system, whatthey like, you know, it's not138901:30:48,450 --> 01:30:51,780all now there was there was aninteresting little little bit in139001:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,490as Rob and and James, weretalking on pod news weekly139101:30:56,490 --> 01:31:01,080review. And it was kind ofenlightening to me. It's like,139201:31:01,080 --> 01:31:06,330you know, RSS is great, butbecause of RSS, we don't have139301:31:06,330 --> 01:31:08,220great stats for advertising.139401:31:09,689 --> 01:31:11,099Dave Jones: Well, that's gonnaget worse.139501:31:11,310 --> 01:31:16,320Adam Curry: Right? But Butthat's why that's why the P IC139601:31:16,350 --> 01:31:20,850always wants to move away fromRSS because they want logins139701:31:20,850 --> 01:31:24,540they want to know who you are.And you know, and Spotify didn't139801:31:24,540 --> 01:31:27,180do a great job of it. They knowwho everybody is. So I don't139901:31:27,180 --> 01:31:30,390know if it's ever going to work.And by the way, Spotify with140001:31:30,390 --> 01:31:36,480autoplay, that was like, thatwas like cursing God, back in140101:31:36,480 --> 01:31:40,620the day. Because we all know,autoplay is a scam, it's a scam140201:31:40,620 --> 01:31:44,520to get more higher numbers, makeit look like you're successful.140301:31:44,790 --> 01:31:46,350You know. And,140401:31:46,410 --> 01:31:49,230Dave Jones: and we know whatSpotify classifies as a play,140501:31:49,230 --> 01:31:51,120it's 20 milliseconds, exactly.140601:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,700Adam Curry: So then that'll becounted as a download, or as a140701:31:53,700 --> 01:31:57,240play that will add that willcount towards the advertising140801:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,480numbers. It's a scam. It's the140901:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,819Dave Jones: same but raw. Imean, Rob's not even in the141001:32:02,819 --> 01:32:06,059podcast industry anymore, is he?Well, he's like doing YouTube141101:32:06,059 --> 01:32:06,509stuff.141201:32:06,990 --> 01:32:09,480Adam Curry: But that's, that'sneither here nor there. I'm just141301:32:09,480 --> 01:32:14,910saying, that is what theindustry has become. And it's,141401:32:14,970 --> 01:32:18,660it's a house of cards. Andyou're seeing it now now that141501:32:18,660 --> 01:32:23,310the free money is gone. And, andall the all the great production141601:32:23,340 --> 01:32:28,740companies are folding or beingfolded in on themselves or being141701:32:28,740 --> 01:32:33,210aggregated away being there's nomore 100 million dollar Rogan141801:32:33,210 --> 01:32:36,810deals, none of it's all gone.It's all gone because the cheap141901:32:36,810 --> 01:32:40,080money is gone. And so whatremains is the pure142001:32:40,290 --> 01:32:45,870unadulterated joy of podcasts,about something that you enjoy142101:32:45,870 --> 01:32:49,890listening to, and that you canparticipate in. That's the142201:32:49,890 --> 01:32:55,020difference between podcasts anda radio show. You can be a part142301:32:55,020 --> 01:32:59,340of it, you can contribute valuein three main ways.142401:33:00,930 --> 01:33:05,100Dave Jones: That's why I hope Ithink that thing, that's why I'm142501:33:05,100 --> 01:33:09,510so hopeful about the music sideof things. Because in this142601:33:09,510 --> 01:33:12,750invite, it's not just podcastersas musicians, yes. And142701:33:12,750 --> 01:33:16,920Adam Curry: that and how howscrewed over are the musicians,142801:33:17,160 --> 01:33:21,900they have gotten such a rawdeal. From technology from142901:33:21,900 --> 01:33:25,290Silicon Valley. It started withthe unbundling of a beautiful143001:33:25,290 --> 01:33:28,950product, which was the albumokay, it was already a CDs of143101:33:28,950 --> 01:33:31,920the liner notes. But I rememberI was there, you know, it's143201:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,130like, oh, man, this is not quiteas cool as it used to be. And143301:33:35,130 --> 01:33:40,500then iTunes unbundled the albuminto tracks. And Steve Jobs143401:33:40,500 --> 01:33:43,860himself set a price 99 cents.That's, that's what it's worth.143501:33:43,980 --> 01:33:48,120I don't care how much you'd likethat song. It's 99 cents, which143601:33:48,120 --> 01:33:53,850is so unfair, because the valueto someone he determined or143701:33:53,850 --> 01:33:57,060Silicon Valley determines whatI'm going to value this piece of143801:33:57,060 --> 01:33:57,900music at?143901:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,200Dave Jones: Well, at least atleast, if you're if you're144001:34:01,200 --> 01:34:06,240looking at this on a on aadvertising model, at least144101:34:06,240 --> 01:34:13,800within podcasting, you have thecontent itself is conducive to144201:34:14,250 --> 01:34:19,440being able to to containadvertising music, you can't you144301:34:19,440 --> 01:34:23,370can't drop an ad in the middleof a three minute song. There's144401:34:23,370 --> 01:34:28,590no there's no possibility toeven do an ad based music model144501:34:29,310 --> 01:34:33,210that did go and I'm talkingabout in a way that directly144601:34:33,540 --> 01:34:40,080contribute directly benefits themusician. The only way144701:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,260advertising works in the musicworld is if the platform does144801:34:43,260 --> 01:34:50,490ads in then as a way to monetizetheir own their own efforts to144901:34:50,490 --> 01:34:55,080stream music, your music topeople that may or may not ever145001:34:55,080 --> 01:34:59,340pay you exactly like that. Sothere's no there is no other145101:34:59,340 --> 01:35:03,780alternative. For them the otherthe only other thing the only145201:35:03,780 --> 01:35:06,360thing that works thatadvertising does not work for145301:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,840music. The only thing that worksfor music is value for value.145401:35:10,530 --> 01:35:12,630Adam Curry: And I'm glad youbrought that up because I did145501:35:12,630 --> 01:35:17,340bring a song for today go toshare with the group and and145601:35:17,340 --> 01:35:20,520this of course if you'relistening in in what now what145701:35:20,520 --> 01:35:27,690are the apps I've lost track ofthem the curio caster pod friend145801:35:27,690 --> 01:35:30,690pod friend pod verse I think podverse doesn't know145901:35:30,689 --> 01:35:32,969Dave Jones: me we still don'tknow not sure we're not sure if146001:35:32,969 --> 01:35:35,009I need Mitch to pipe in146101:35:35,250 --> 01:35:40,890Adam Curry: and curio caster candefinitely do this live so I got146201:35:40,890 --> 01:35:45,270a short track I got a femaleartists today because we I don't146301:35:45,270 --> 01:35:48,060think we've had any well we hadone we had one female a female146401:35:48,060 --> 01:35:52,950lead singer found this one overjust sifting around through LM146501:35:52,950 --> 01:35:56,610beats and it has no intro sodon't get to talk it up like I146601:35:56,610 --> 01:36:00,150usually do it Sarah Jade andyou're gonna listen to wait146701:36:00,180 --> 01:36:00,990Destiny146801:36:11,430 --> 01:36:25,620Unknown: Destiny wait Destinysays to Gary Java ski fans and146901:36:25,620 --> 01:36:48,270installs can blaze on run meWait wait wait wait this thing147001:36:49,260 --> 01:36:49,950says147101:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,180quickly147201:37:05,910 --> 01:37:07,950as possible147301:37:13,830 --> 01:37:18,270God so you147401:37:24,390 --> 01:37:25,950don't you're all better147501:37:57,810 --> 01:38:02,670all across this galaxy Hellofriends where are you traveling147601:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,330Adam Curry: so all the SATs thatyou streamed the boost that you147701:38:42,330 --> 01:38:49,170sent that went to Sarah J wedestiny we think like this all147801:38:49,559 --> 01:38:52,469Dave Jones: I did like it I alsomerged a pull request during the147901:38:52,469 --> 01:38:57,869middle of this What did youmerge a lip merge.148001:38:58,830 --> 01:39:03,060Adam Curry: And thank you DredScott for boosting 100,000 SATs148101:39:03,060 --> 01:39:07,830to Sarah Jade. Oh nice. That isvery nice.148201:39:07,890 --> 01:39:09,210Dave Jones: Very generous148301:39:09,359 --> 01:39:13,949Adam Curry: pen and man I'm sopumped about this stuff. So148401:39:13,949 --> 01:39:19,829yeah, there you go. I love thefact that musicians will now see148501:39:19,829 --> 01:39:25,379some kind of value from multiplepeople it'll be numbers. There's148601:39:25,529 --> 01:39:29,879there's you know messages thatgo along with it. This is this148701:39:29,909 --> 01:39:33,449this is what makes creativepeople do it do what they do.148801:39:35,009 --> 01:39:38,219You know it's not not a paycheckdon't make be expecting a148901:39:38,219 --> 01:39:39,959paycheck just expect some value.149001:39:43,350 --> 01:39:46,350Dave Jones: On the on the faceseven front,149101:39:46,530 --> 01:39:48,210Adam Curry: da Hold on a second.149201:39:49,590 --> 01:39:57,570Dave Jones: Oh, time for space.I love it. I mean we got a149301:39:57,570 --> 01:40:02,100space. We got to talk about it.We get It's a thing. Phase seven149401:40:02,100 --> 01:40:07,620is is going to be a thingquicker than we know. So right149501:40:07,620 --> 01:40:12,360now we're looking at chat,verify ownership. But they were149601:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,910changing the name of theauthorization tag, because it's149701:40:15,030 --> 01:40:17,970it's not. It's notauthorization. That's, that's149801:40:17,970 --> 01:40:20,400not we're talking about, we'retalking about simply verifying149901:40:21,030 --> 01:40:24,720ownership of a feed. And we'realso look going to look at the150001:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,710events tag. Okay, that's whatwe've got so far.150101:40:28,710 --> 01:40:30,720Adam Curry: And what is theevent? What is the event tag for150201:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,930Dave Jones: again, that was thething of sending events back150301:40:33,930 --> 01:40:35,730from an app to Oh, yeah,150401:40:35,730 --> 01:40:39,060Adam Curry: writer, whichactually could be very handy for150501:40:39,060 --> 01:40:40,710the podcast industrial complex.150601:40:41,250 --> 01:40:43,680Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm just thinkwe need to revisit that tag.150701:40:43,680 --> 01:40:47,970Because John spent a lot of timeon it, and totally even had to150801:40:47,970 --> 01:40:49,860prove he had a proof of conceptand that kind of thing. I think150901:40:49,860 --> 01:40:53,130we should need to, it needs tobe in the boardroom, we need to151001:40:53,130 --> 01:40:56,460kick it around a whole bunch andfind out what we all want to do151101:40:56,460 --> 01:41:01,020with that. The chat tags alreadyin our feed, and it's a it's a151201:41:01,020 --> 01:41:04,230simple tag. I feel like thatthing's probably just kind of a151301:41:04,230 --> 01:41:09,270slam dunk. But I mean, it willstill talk it over but the151401:41:09,270 --> 01:41:15,180verify ownership tag, I thinkwe're kind of coming around. on151501:41:15,180 --> 01:41:19,830that. I think we I thinkeverybody's kind of agreeing. On151601:41:19,830 --> 01:41:23,430the spec that we outlined. Awhile back, we're we're just151701:41:23,430 --> 01:41:27,090down really down to just kind ofcache busting questions at the151801:41:27,090 --> 01:41:31,050moment. So I think that we'll beright. Hopefully, we'll have so151901:41:31,050 --> 01:41:39,540here's my plan for the verifyownership tag. I think I think152001:41:39,540 --> 01:41:48,090just for four reasons. reasons.Reason as I should be the one, I152101:41:48,090 --> 01:41:49,980should be the one of the firstones to implement that on152201:41:49,980 --> 01:41:53,400podcast wallet. Okay. Don't youthink so?152301:41:53,430 --> 01:41:55,620Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. Andwell, that's what that152401:41:55,620 --> 01:42:00,660automatically automatically beset through the the Partner API152501:42:00,660 --> 01:42:01,200as well.152601:42:02,130 --> 01:42:06,150Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, I thinkso. Because I mean, we we sort152701:42:06,150 --> 01:42:10,530of need, we're stuck to I mean,we know we need to, we need the152801:42:10,530 --> 01:42:14,160email handshake. And we don'thave it. And yeah, yeah. So I152901:42:14,160 --> 01:42:20,520feel like, I feel like if I makethat, then I can sort of proof153001:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,070of concept that out to everybodyelse. And153101:42:23,100 --> 01:42:25,500Adam Curry: will we still havethe email verification153201:42:25,500 --> 01:42:28,770possibility? Or is that notgoing to be? Okay? Okay.153301:42:29,189 --> 01:42:34,559Dave Jones: So here's mythought. We, we combined the153401:42:34,559 --> 01:42:38,369two. So when you when you claimyour show, when you claim your153501:42:38,369 --> 01:42:43,319podcast feed on podcast orwallet, it would send you the153601:42:43,319 --> 01:42:50,459email with the authorizationtoken in it, but then also give153701:42:50,459 --> 01:42:57,209you a separate authorizationtoken, display it to you and153801:42:57,359 --> 01:43:05,399begin the Dave, the feedbackloop. So then, like so that,153901:43:05,519 --> 01:43:09,029that way people can just spoofthe email. But so there'll be a154001:43:09,029 --> 01:43:12,419separate token, and then wewill, we will look for that.154101:43:12,419 --> 01:43:15,779We'll begin the cycle of lookingfor that every once a min. And154201:43:15,779 --> 01:43:16,019now154301:43:16,290 --> 01:43:19,740Adam Curry: we look for it onlyin the TX T tag? Or will we make154401:43:19,740 --> 01:43:23,100it a little loose for everybodywho doesn't quite support it154501:43:23,100 --> 01:43:23,550yet?154601:43:24,269 --> 01:43:26,429Dave Jones: I think initially,we will probably have to make it154701:43:26,429 --> 01:43:27,149loose. Yeah, I154801:43:27,180 --> 01:43:27,900Adam Curry: think so too.154901:43:28,500 --> 01:43:31,200Dave Jones: Because if somebodygoes in to technical term, by155001:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,670the way, loose, loose,155101:43:34,229 --> 01:43:36,899Adam Curry: loose, like we canthrow it in your Show Notes155201:43:36,899 --> 01:43:38,999field that a lot of work. Sothis isn't making155301:43:39,180 --> 01:43:43,980Dave Jones: qualifies as loose.That's very loose. Yeah, so I155401:43:43,980 --> 01:43:46,680think yeah, I think I think atfirst we'll just scrape the feet155501:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,730for that token, were just as abig, you know, like, just look155601:43:50,730 --> 01:43:53,550for the substring anywhere inthe anywhere in the whole XML.155701:43:54,480 --> 01:43:58,560And then, yeah, I mean, I thinkI think that's, that makes a lot155801:43:58,560 --> 01:44:03,450of sense to me. And then we haveonce we sort of prove it, then155901:44:03,660 --> 01:44:07,140we can show everybody, I'll putthe code up and show the show156001:44:07,140 --> 01:44:07,470works.156101:44:07,470 --> 01:44:11,190Adam Curry: Yeah. Excellentidea. Excellent. Okay. And this156201:44:11,220 --> 01:44:13,650Dave Jones: is I'm hoping I'mhoping we can verify to get the156301:44:13,650 --> 01:44:17,400verify ownership thing donepretty quick and not have to156401:44:17,400 --> 01:44:20,730wait till the end of phaseseven. I mean, because I think156501:44:20,730 --> 01:44:23,670it's an it's a, it's a prettybig need at this point.156601:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,040Adam Curry: Is there anythingthat we need to revisit from any156701:44:26,040 --> 01:44:29,670of the previous six phases thatneeds love or needs attention or156801:44:29,670 --> 01:44:31,830that just has fallen by thewayside?156901:44:33,780 --> 01:44:36,990Dave Jones: Well, I mean, I'msure that that's, that's157001:44:36,990 --> 01:44:39,750probably one of the dangers ofgoing as fast as we have is157101:44:39,750 --> 01:44:45,180things get lost. Yeah. And,which is another thing I like157201:44:45,180 --> 01:44:47,700that what was sanded was I don'tknow if you saw that series of157301:44:47,700 --> 01:44:52,260tweets, where he literallytweeted every single tag and157401:44:52,260 --> 01:44:56,070what it does, no, I didn't seethat. No, I missed that. Yeah,157501:44:56,070 --> 01:44:59,010he's like he's like pod fanssupports this. And here's what157601:44:59,010 --> 01:45:01,950the tag does. It supports thistag and here's what it does it157701:45:01,950 --> 01:45:07,170supports they went through all20 Something tags. And so157801:45:07,200 --> 01:45:12,270probably I need to spend moretime in the sort of evangelism157901:45:12,270 --> 01:45:17,310phase. We've got, we don't wantto jump directly necessarily158001:45:17,310 --> 01:45:20,280back into Phase seven and justsay, okay, you know, we're just158101:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,220going to barrel on through hereand roofs heads down, we're158201:45:23,220 --> 01:45:25,710gonna do we're gonna build evenmore stuff, you know, like,158301:45:25,710 --> 01:45:28,800Wait, that's not necessarilywhat needs to happen at this158401:45:28,800 --> 01:45:34,860point. I feel like we need totake a breather. And sort of158501:45:36,120 --> 01:45:39,360like I think what you said isright, we need to we need to go158601:45:39,360 --> 01:45:44,070probably go back. I need to do Ishould probably do a little bit158701:45:44,070 --> 01:45:48,720of writing right now about someof these tags and how they fit158801:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,990together. And then maybe aremote158901:45:51,990 --> 01:45:54,330Adam Curry: remote item mightneed some more some more159001:45:54,330 --> 01:45:55,020explanation.159101:45:55,050 --> 01:45:57,720Dave Jones: I've got a draft ofa sub stack post for remote159201:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,960items specifically and I'll juststart backwards with that and159301:46:00,960 --> 01:46:02,130then work my way backwards.159401:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,050Adam Curry: How about your showthough? Man I'm waiting for your159501:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,870Dave's nightstand days nice159601:46:06,870 --> 01:46:09,480Dave Jones: yes, there's thenight yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna159701:46:09,480 --> 01:46:12,540launch I think here's here'sOkay, let me give you this. Let159801:46:12,540 --> 01:46:18,960me give you this this dope ideathat I got I was thinking that I159901:46:18,960 --> 01:46:24,420will I can buy a road caster duoyeah because I'm I'm looking for160001:46:24,450 --> 01:46:26,730any reason to justify buying one160101:46:28,020 --> 01:46:30,570Adam Curry: I mean, you're justgoing to record your mic right160201:46:30,570 --> 01:46:34,260it's just gonna be that Yeah,yeah, you need a road caster do160301:46:34,260 --> 01:46:39,210Oh, for that for sure. I needone baby. Without that I mean,160401:46:39,210 --> 01:46:41,160how can you even consider doinga show160501:46:41,550 --> 01:46:43,650Dave Jones: I was picking outbread at the grocery store the160601:46:43,650 --> 01:46:46,140other day trying to figure outhow this fit into a road caster160701:46:46,140 --> 01:46:54,420duo strategy so my thought is Ido the road caster duo and if I160801:46:54,420 --> 01:47:00,660get in and I can fly I can fundI can I can buy I can buy the160901:47:00,660 --> 01:47:04,590road caster duel on on a boosterGraham credit or boost credit.161001:47:05,310 --> 01:47:08,280How does that work? Oh, go aheadand buy it and then they've161101:47:08,280 --> 01:47:12,390written then as I get boosts youpay it back you pay back pay it161201:47:12,390 --> 01:47:12,990off? Yeah,161301:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,500Adam Curry: there's a good goal.There's a good goal said hey,161401:47:16,530 --> 01:47:20,580this is what I want first payfor that pay for the duo. Yeah,161501:47:20,790 --> 01:47:22,710I sent me some value for that.161601:47:23,190 --> 01:47:26,580Dave Jones: If I if in a year Iget enough boosts to pay back my161701:47:26,580 --> 01:47:28,350Duo I'll consider a success.161801:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,209Adam Curry: Oh, you'll have thatwithin six weeks.161901:47:32,100 --> 01:47:35,100Dave Jones: I don't want that Iwant I want it to be okay and I162001:47:35,100 --> 01:47:35,910don't want people to boost162101:47:35,910 --> 01:47:38,280Adam Curry: well rememberremember you get what you asked162201:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,490for so if you just ask for openended value you're gonna get162301:47:41,730 --> 01:47:45,630you're gonna be surprised sowhen when you when you set a162401:47:45,630 --> 01:47:49,740limit you're gonna get the limitwhen you say open you'll be162501:47:49,740 --> 01:47:50,460surprised162601:47:50,850 --> 01:47:52,590Dave Jones: I'm gonna do premiumcontent.162701:47:52,950 --> 01:47:54,330Adam Curry: Oh give me a break162801:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,830Dave Jones: if people craft youbecome a member become a member162901:47:59,070 --> 01:48:03,150I did that tell you about thatabout the show? There's always163001:48:03,150 --> 01:48:07,140trigger nom de no trigonometryof course you know that. They163101:48:07,350 --> 01:48:12,450like they're they're like tiersof membership. They have a tear163201:48:13,110 --> 01:48:16,050a membership tier where theywill have dinner with you like163301:48:16,050 --> 01:48:22,470once a month I'm not shittingyou that is the God's honest163401:48:22,470 --> 01:48:25,170truth. They will like havedinner over zoom with you. I'm163501:48:25,170 --> 01:48:26,700like, Are you kidding?163601:48:27,630 --> 01:48:30,270Adam Curry: What does that cost?What does that cost for dinner163701:48:30,270 --> 01:48:30,570over?163801:48:30,899 --> 01:48:33,629Dave Jones: Like $10,000 a monthfor all I'm asking for money163901:48:33,629 --> 01:48:34,049really?164001:48:35,550 --> 01:48:38,610Adam Curry: That's aninteresting tear off the rails164101:48:38,610 --> 01:48:41,790man. I'm telling you if you justasked people to send whatever164201:48:41,790 --> 01:48:45,240they thought the show was worthto them. You'd be amazed time164301:48:45,240 --> 01:48:46,830and time and time again.164401:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,070Dave Jones: This is all straightand various strategies that I'm164501:48:50,070 --> 01:48:53,160cooking up to but to fund a roadcaster do oh this is all that164601:48:53,160 --> 01:49:00,090matters. She says you I justwant to have the little pads164701:49:00,090 --> 01:49:05,820where I can go up you need thelittle pads you need them one164801:49:05,850 --> 01:49:07,590Yeah, well sound effect is164901:49:07,650 --> 01:49:11,040Adam Curry: that it is such abeautiful cute little box. I165001:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,730mean I can't I have everythingset I got all of my duplicated165101:49:14,730 --> 01:49:19,080everything. So it was 499 forthe duo and all the other stuff165201:49:19,080 --> 01:49:23,670I need excluding the laptop Ialready had and everything 200165301:49:23,670 --> 01:49:27,960bucks. I got a wireless mouse.new wireless keyboard new MIDI165401:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,530controller already had thelicenses for the for the165501:49:31,530 --> 01:49:37,860software. And I bought I did buyhigh end mic booms that are very165601:49:37,860 --> 01:49:43,530light they're made of likesomething not not metal. So we165701:49:43,530 --> 01:49:45,660can take them on the road andthey're not too heavy.165801:49:46,620 --> 01:49:49,620Dave Jones: This is not in yourstudio, you know no problem was165901:49:49,620 --> 01:49:51,510Adam Curry: I was alwaysbreaking apart the studio and166001:49:51,510 --> 01:49:54,720you're all the cables and thenyou have to really focus on it.166101:49:54,990 --> 01:49:58,350You know usually after no agendashow that Okay, gotta pack up166201:49:58,350 --> 01:50:01,470the studio and I'm tired and I'mworried I'm gonna forget one166301:50:01,470 --> 01:50:06,300that one critical thing or theUSB dongle or something and I'll166401:50:06,300 --> 01:50:09,630be stuck somewhere without thewinner not being able to do it166501:50:09,990 --> 01:50:12,480so I just want completeduplicate and instead of166601:50:12,480 --> 01:50:16,860duplicating the road caster twoI got the duo and166701:50:17,189 --> 01:50:21,029Dave Jones: we came up with awith a name of a cooking show166801:50:21,059 --> 01:50:22,139only pans166901:50:24,840 --> 01:50:27,150Adam Curry: I love it. Youshould do that on the no agenda167001:50:27,150 --> 01:50:33,780tube. Only. Only pans that'sHold on a second. Don't move.167101:50:35,010 --> 01:50:38,100Let's see if that's let's let'ssee if that's available. Hold167201:50:38,100 --> 01:50:42,780on. That's hilarious. Let mesee. Add a domain. Bada bing167301:50:42,810 --> 01:50:49,920bada bing as your only pans.comThat's I'm sure that's taken. So167401:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,850on must have already taken that.Yeah, too bad. Yeah, it's167501:50:53,850 --> 01:50:57,150already gone. Weren't weren't.Yeah, that's that was that's too167601:50:57,150 --> 01:50:59,070good. You knew that one had tobe gone.167701:50:59,220 --> 01:51:01,200Dave Jones: You still don't haveany. You don't have no167801:51:01,200 --> 01:51:02,700agenda.com Do167901:51:03,600 --> 01:51:08,040Adam Curry: we have? We have noagenda? dotnet? No, no.168001:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,160agenda.com has some bandhu. Letme see if they even have that.168101:51:11,160 --> 01:51:16,050No agenda. I have see if theyeven have the website up. Now168201:51:16,050 --> 01:51:18,600it's not even working. Oh, timeto check it and see if it's168301:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,090Dave Jones: available. Err,empty response.168401:51:21,210 --> 01:51:23,070Adam Curry: Yeah, let me see.It'd be funny if it was168501:51:23,070 --> 01:51:27,660available all of a sudden, is aband. Yeah, no agenda,168601:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,210Dave Jones: Doc, would they puttheir music on value for value?168701:51:30,870 --> 01:51:34,020Adam Curry: Wouldn't that begreat? That'd be funny. No.168801:51:34,020 --> 01:51:39,030agenda.com Now I'm sure it'sparked somewhere. It's such a168901:51:39,030 --> 01:51:42,540waste. Me. Whatever. Hey, atleast I didn't fall for that169001:51:42,540 --> 01:51:46,620scam. The Crypto domain namesremember that? Oh, yeah, that's169101:51:46,620 --> 01:51:49,920thing evaporated in a heartbeat.That was if you look at the169201:51:49,920 --> 01:51:55,380chart for H NS I think is whatthe let me see what it was. It169301:51:55,380 --> 01:51:58,770was shape handshake. Yeah. So itwas it was a crypto is H and S169401:51:58,770 --> 01:52:02,400I'd like you need this toprotect your domain name moving169501:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,280forever. And I think Didn't youeven buy some?169601:52:05,580 --> 01:52:08,700Dave Jones: No, no, I didn't. Igot an email and I ran it by you169701:52:08,700 --> 01:52:10,710and you're like, This is BS.Run.169801:52:11,310 --> 01:52:15,390Adam Curry: Run Run away. Can Istill track them? Hold on h&s.169901:52:15,390 --> 01:52:19,350Here we go. H and S as it is thechart straight up and straight170001:52:19,350 --> 01:52:25,020down? No. At the time of the ofthe Scam. what I consider to be170101:52:25,020 --> 01:52:29,250the scam? They hold on me. Letme go into it here for a second.170201:52:29,250 --> 01:52:37,230Let me get the full on charts.The chart for all time. Yeah, it170301:52:37,230 --> 01:52:42,060was it was up to like $1 Ithink. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.170401:52:42,060 --> 01:52:45,690No, it was up to up to bite uswhen they were selling him. Now170501:52:45,720 --> 01:52:49,650all you got to have this. And Iwas like, No, this is dumb. And170601:52:49,650 --> 01:52:55,320you know, you don't know what itwas $1 or $1 actually. And yeah,170701:52:55,350 --> 01:53:01,710well, they didn't rug pool. Imean, now it's 1.7 cents. Oh,170801:53:01,980 --> 01:53:06,000because because it's all it wasand notice the all these all170901:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,720these I saw him on the telegramgroup. And these people like171001:53:09,720 --> 01:53:13,110hey, man, you know he could evergo ever pop. Will we ever seen171101:53:13,110 --> 01:53:16,650anything happened now? Becauseit was it was dumb. They had a171201:53:16,650 --> 01:53:20,250name so you couldn't evenconnect it? It doesn't work with171301:53:20,250 --> 01:53:21,060DNS.171401:53:21,780 --> 01:53:27,330Dave Jones: But the is the doteath is that still a thing? In171501:53:27,330 --> 01:53:29,670everyone's getting dot eath fora while. No, I171601:53:29,670 --> 01:53:30,390Adam Curry: don't know.171701:53:30,929 --> 01:53:32,789Dave Jones: I haven't seen oneof those and forever this this171801:53:32,789 --> 01:53:35,369stuff is all it's just it's allsuch a scam.171901:53:35,729 --> 01:53:38,309Adam Curry: Yeah. And a lot ofpeople fell for it.172001:53:38,969 --> 01:53:41,369Dave Jones: Oh, I bet becausethey sold it really well. I172101:53:41,369 --> 01:53:45,059mean, they saw they had themarketing and I mean, like it172201:53:45,059 --> 01:53:46,319was a full on push.172301:53:46,530 --> 01:53:49,560Adam Curry: Yeah, you can youcan get your web three username.172401:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,620Yeah, you can get dot eath it'sjust a top level domain name you172501:53:52,620 --> 01:53:57,300can get that you can just payfor it. Is pay for it. And eath172601:53:57,330 --> 01:53:57,990Okay,172701:53:58,020 --> 01:54:01,230Dave Jones: grainy. This all isalso painful.172801:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,890Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm sure thatthere's people just not true if172901:54:04,890 --> 01:54:08,040you use an alternative nameserver. Yeah, of course. Yeah,173001:54:08,280 --> 01:54:11,730of course we can do that too.You don't you don't need to have173101:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,150crypto involved. And I saycrypto because it's not Bitcoin.173201:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,570Speaking of such, shall wethanks for people.173301:54:19,830 --> 01:54:21,450Dave Jones: I would enjoy that.Okay, because173401:54:21,450 --> 01:54:26,310Adam Curry: we have been yappingfor quite a while. And let's173501:54:26,310 --> 01:54:29,520see. I'm gonna thank some of thesome of the live boosters173601:54:29,520 --> 01:54:34,260Captain egghead. 1111 Thank you3333 from hard hat, there's Dred173701:54:34,260 --> 01:54:38,730Scott. Great tune boostingweighed destiny by Sarah Jade173801:54:38,730 --> 01:54:45,600and he sure did boost he boosted100,000 sets Thank you very much173901:54:45,630 --> 01:54:48,960drive that always helps theartists now the 30 333 from hard174001:54:48,960 --> 01:54:54,180hat. We got Captain egg headagain with a short row of ducks.174101:54:54,180 --> 01:54:58,080We got frozen. We're with 10,000Hey, hey, finally caught you174201:54:58,080 --> 01:55:02,310guys live. Thank you, rd. DavidR Davis at seven one a one a174301:55:02,310 --> 01:55:05,100one. I can relate to you Adameven though I never launched the174401:55:05,100 --> 01:55:08,550podcast yet the genius of myknowledge of podcasting came174501:55:08,550 --> 01:55:11,190from a search on how to startinternet radio station. There174601:55:11,190 --> 01:55:14,430you go. In the boardroom pleaseaccept this episode boost for174701:55:14,430 --> 01:55:18,330your most excellent discussionon the true podcaster and that's174801:55:18,330 --> 01:55:27,450141 SATs from our Davis. Andthere is oh goodness. 121,212174901:55:27,450 --> 01:55:31,020SATs who could it be once againDred Scott boosting my passion175001:55:31,020 --> 01:55:34,530project podcasting. 2.0 Thanksfor letting me be a little part175101:55:34,530 --> 01:55:40,650of it. You got a brother? TheyThank you, brother. He is He is175201:55:40,650 --> 01:55:45,660such a baller. 2100 fromMacintosh screw Apple go open175301:55:45,660 --> 01:55:52,350podcasting Macintosh generationBitcoin 8888 from anonymous says175401:55:52,380 --> 01:55:57,690boosts boost we got anotheranonymous 10,100 love you guys175501:55:57,720 --> 01:56:04,410and a 101010 that is 101,010SATs from anonymous. It's been175601:56:04,410 --> 01:56:13,890too long since I heard a boostcome through so boost 14,496175701:56:13,890 --> 01:56:17,130from Sir TJ the wrathful youguys are doing great things.175801:56:17,130 --> 01:56:20,310Here's all the SATs left in mywallet. Just take it and keep175901:56:20,310 --> 01:56:25,350the lid down. Keep the lid down.Yeah, he he also listened to176001:56:25,350 --> 01:56:28,650Kareem the keeper and I am astickler for keeping the lid176101:56:28,650 --> 01:56:29,970closed on the toilet.176201:56:30,450 --> 01:56:34,230Dave Jones: Oh I am too becauseif you don't you get a plume of176301:56:34,710 --> 01:56:39,990gloom of poop. Poop Yes, everywith every flush176401:56:40,020 --> 01:56:42,300Adam Curry: and also iteliminates the whole problem of176501:56:42,300 --> 01:56:45,720seat upside down just everybodycloses the lid and everyone176601:56:45,720 --> 01:56:48,930opens it to the level they needand closes it again.176701:56:49,439 --> 01:56:51,269Dave Jones: It's the mostegalitarian way176801:56:51,840 --> 01:56:58,260Adam Curry: I see I think he hadTJ the wrathful here in this176901:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,740place it's the only have 50seconds and then why did we know177001:57:01,740 --> 01:57:04,650she stayed here before? Becausethe toilet seats were down177101:57:20,040 --> 01:57:27,000supposed to be this ogre whojust walked on. yelled at me on177201:57:27,000 --> 01:57:35,640our third date. The room aroundhere if we need to sit down177301:57:35,640 --> 01:57:39,510there's never an argument aboutwhat I said177401:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,520you want to stick around withthe seat down? It's not to see177501:57:50,520 --> 01:57:50,850you still177601:57:56,520 --> 01:58:01,470want to stick around? There yougo. Sir. TJ the rack177701:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,400Dave Jones: Did you really sayto Tina, babe. No,177801:58:06,149 --> 01:58:09,749Adam Curry: of course not. Thatis my wife exaggerating.177901:58:10,050 --> 01:58:11,640Dave Jones: You lift the seatup, baby.178001:58:11,970 --> 01:58:15,120Adam Curry: I said we put thelids down around here. You want178101:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,040to stick around put the liddown?178201:58:17,790 --> 01:58:20,550Dave Jones: Does mildly I willhave to say agree with Tina that178301:58:20,550 --> 01:58:24,510is mildly aggressive, veryaggressive. We do this around178401:58:24,510 --> 01:58:28,140here. There's an implicit bavethat you don't have to say178501:58:28,170 --> 01:58:33,450Adam Curry: eight years and wenever had a fight. One on 101178601:58:33,450 --> 01:58:36,570from C Dubs. Let's gopodcasting. He says yes, let's178701:58:36,570 --> 01:58:42,330go podcast 55 555 from blueberrysorry, I don't have more SATs on178801:58:42,330 --> 01:58:46,170hand will rectify soon. It is ofmy opinion that motion picture178901:58:46,170 --> 01:58:50,280music videos are absolutely69 69% possible using GIF art179001:58:50,280 --> 01:58:53,460and chapters. Hopefully comingthis week. I'll have a proof of179101:58:53,460 --> 01:58:57,540concept to demo. Two. All right,we like that. And it doesn't179201:58:57,540 --> 01:59:01,260matter what it is. Blueberry.It's the SATs is boosting is179301:59:01,260 --> 01:59:02,670loving no matter what you do.179401:59:03,030 --> 01:59:06,270Dave Jones: Did you see my fancynew animated GIF? For the day179501:59:06,270 --> 01:59:07,710for days rested code case?179601:59:07,740 --> 01:59:10,800Adam Curry: No. No, I haven't. Ihaven't worked on that. And179701:59:11,850 --> 01:59:14,490Dave Jones: I'll post it here.It's it's courtesy of blueberry.179801:59:14,490 --> 01:59:16,290I paid him 100,000 said bountyfor179901:59:16,290 --> 01:59:20,670Adam Curry: it. Nice. Yeah.There's your economy working. He180001:59:20,670 --> 01:59:23,910served me well. Very good.33,000 from Carolyn says Hey,180101:59:23,910 --> 01:59:28,140Adam and Dave Hey, Carolyn,thank you. There's your 1234 Yo180201:59:28,140 --> 01:59:33,270boost bot there's Eric tp 3333Boost boost boost but 3330 from180301:59:33,270 --> 01:59:37,170hard hat again. 3333 testingfrom anonymous 1000 from Dave180401:59:37,170 --> 01:59:43,050Thank you Dave. tastebuds saidlet's go 333 Another 333 333180501:59:43,050 --> 01:59:47,100from Eric p p there's our 50,000from anonymous a 10,000 from180601:59:47,100 --> 01:59:50,520Martin was boosting our amazingpre show. Another short row of180701:59:50,520 --> 01:59:53,880Dr. Martin home again after aweek in sunny Greece and happily180801:59:53,880 --> 01:59:57,120listening not live again. Man.When those when those guys over180901:59:57,120 --> 02:00:01,290there in Denmark they lose theirjob they go on vacation. That's181002:00:01,680 --> 02:00:05,070about those guys. I got firedI'm going on vacation.181102:00:05,490 --> 02:00:07,560Dave Jones: It's the best timeto go on vacation true.181202:00:08,790 --> 02:00:11,250Adam Curry: And we got the preboosts the boost boost via181302:00:11,250 --> 02:00:19,680podcast gurus new lb integrationfrom Dred Scott 100,001 SATs is181402:00:19,980 --> 02:00:24,000that new podcast gurus new AlbyI thought they already had lb181502:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,110integrations that new.181602:00:25,649 --> 02:00:27,929Dave Jones: I mean, it's fairlynew. It's been around for181702:00:29,040 --> 02:00:31,200Adam Curry: about a month and ahalf gets podcast addict doing V181802:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,210for V. Are they still not doingthat? No,181902:00:33,359 --> 02:00:37,469Dave Jones: not yet. It was theyou know, he may he may revisit182002:00:37,469 --> 02:00:41,879that once. This is me talkinghas nothing to do his knees182102:00:41,879 --> 02:00:46,739never said this. He may revisitit one day with now that there's182202:00:46,739 --> 02:00:50,909things like Albay because at thetime when he first explored it,182302:00:50,909 --> 02:00:52,859it was nothing but it was onlyEllen pay.182402:00:53,910 --> 02:00:56,640Adam Curry: He also had a lot ofApp Store challenges I think, in182502:00:56,640 --> 02:00:59,670general, for some reasons thatpodcast addict I'm thinking of182602:00:59,790 --> 02:01:02,280Yeah, right. Right. Right.They've given him such a hard182702:01:02,280 --> 02:01:05,520time but not over yet burned.Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure just182802:01:05,610 --> 02:01:09,030for whatever reason is, is allkinds of disclaimers. Ya can't182902:01:09,030 --> 02:01:10,260do stuff in the app.183002:01:11,160 --> 02:01:13,560Dave Jones: Over time if it youknow, if it persists and we183102:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,750don't get any appstoreshenanigans, he may come back.183202:01:19,020 --> 02:01:21,360Adam Curry: And then one morebefore I hit the delimiter and183302:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,570it is from the tone wrecker.refilled SATs in wallet feels183402:01:24,570 --> 02:01:28,020like a fully charged battery nowplaying catch up for previous183502:01:28,050 --> 02:01:33,120droopy boosts. When thecupboards were bare. 101010183602:01:34,230 --> 02:01:39,450Sakala 20 is blades only Ambala.Thank you. I love the digital183702:01:39,450 --> 02:01:42,690nature of these binary boosts.They're so nice. Thank you all183802:01:42,690 --> 02:01:44,910very much for live boosting. Weappreciate it. If you're183902:01:45,000 --> 02:01:48,660listening now. And you didn'tconsider rolling it back a184002:01:48,660 --> 02:01:57,300little bit and boosting for forSarah Jade for song. Hello, see184102:01:57,300 --> 02:01:57,990Dave Jones: we got it. Yep.184202:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,690Adam Curry: All right. And Davewill now take us through the184302:02:00,690 --> 02:02:01,800rest of our donations.184402:02:02,850 --> 02:02:06,360Dave Jones: Again, I had toreach down. We would get Franco184502:02:06,360 --> 02:02:11,400Celerio or buddy ever castematic $100 through PayPal.184602:02:12,600 --> 02:02:18,600Adam Curry: Wow. Hold on $100through PayPal. Thank you very184702:02:18,600 --> 02:02:19,230much.184802:02:19,589 --> 02:02:22,139Dave Jones: And I asked him whenhe sent. Thank you very much184902:02:22,139 --> 02:02:25,079Franco. I asked him when he sentin that donation. I said well185002:02:27,179 --> 02:02:29,639tell me, you know, tell me tellme how's it going with cast?185102:02:29,639 --> 02:02:33,419ematic? You know, Howard, haveyou had increase in premium185202:02:33,419 --> 02:02:36,389users? You know, budgets generalfinancial health. I mean, how185302:02:36,629 --> 02:02:39,479was it how's your app do and andhe said it was doing really185402:02:39,479 --> 02:02:44,759well. He said that podcasting2.0 The bear has really sort of185502:02:44,939 --> 02:02:49,709elevated his his app store stuffand he's replaced so I was glad185602:02:49,709 --> 02:02:50,339to hear that. So185702:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,010Adam Curry: he has a premium. Idon't have iOS so I don't know185802:02:53,010 --> 02:02:55,890he has a premium option as wellwhere you can subscribe. Okay,185902:02:55,890 --> 02:02:58,320good. Good. Yeah, that's right.And just support I like that.186002:02:58,470 --> 02:03:01,530You know, when I tell people todo this, I love it. I like cast186102:03:01,530 --> 02:03:03,720thematic. So yeah, you know,Franco does you know what he186202:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,980does in his in his day job knowwhy he's a doctor. What is186302:03:09,420 --> 02:03:11,790Dave Jones: his day job is castematic he moonlights as a186402:03:11,790 --> 02:03:12,660physician. Yeah,186502:03:12,659 --> 02:03:14,819Adam Curry: I don't think so.He's probably still curing186602:03:14,819 --> 02:03:17,549people most of the time. We loveFranco.186702:03:19,020 --> 02:03:22,980Dave Jones: We got Pedro Korea.I hope I'm saying that right.186802:03:22,980 --> 02:03:28,230SEO or EIA Pedro Korea. $10. onetime donation to PayPal.186902:03:28,229 --> 02:03:29,759Adam Curry: Thank you very muchPedro note.187002:03:32,070 --> 02:03:34,740Dave Jones: Appreciate that. Oh,yes, Mr. Graham's let's see we187102:03:34,740 --> 02:03:40,260get 10,000 sets from certain netnet. All it says is just because187202:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,070Mr. Gray,187302:03:41,100 --> 02:03:42,060Adam Curry: thank you very much.187402:03:42,330 --> 02:03:47,490Dave Jones: Thank you, sir.Nana. We'll see we get 1701 from187502:03:48,120 --> 02:03:52,380our Oh Archie. Source days gaveus the boost CLI says boosting187602:03:52,380 --> 02:03:53,250via vim187702:03:54,930 --> 02:03:58,770Adam Curry: not really nice. Iwant to know how he's doing187802:03:58,770 --> 02:04:01,980that. That is big flex. I likeit though.187902:04:02,520 --> 02:04:06,390Dave Jones: Okay, we have you wehave our respect. Cotton Gin188002:04:06,390 --> 02:04:12,000Bootmakers ball 333 says thankyou cotton gin. Oh Darren No. To188102:04:12,180 --> 02:04:17,430see he sent oh okay the way thisis from last this from like at188202:04:17,430 --> 02:04:22,410the very end of last show. Okay.Let's see. 73rd Did we read sir188302:04:22,410 --> 02:04:25,980TJ the wrathful last weekexciting music talk today I want188402:04:25,980 --> 02:04:29,040to help even more but as arecovering musician and188502:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,260struggling just to surviveAlbert do we read that? Yeah, we188602:04:31,260 --> 02:04:34,560did. Okay, some of these overlapI think we let the show went188702:04:34,560 --> 02:04:40,260long last week so trying toYeah, there we go. Make me catch188802:04:40,260 --> 02:04:44,640up here. Yeah, after we got someafter show tunes boosts from188902:04:44,640 --> 02:04:47,760hard hat Thank you very muchhard hat. We got a call189002:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,550McCormick to enter two yearanniversary for booths holy189102:04:50,550 --> 02:04:56,220Bitcoin Batman 22 throughfountain we got a special189202:04:56,220 --> 02:04:58,710Richard from call McCormickthank you to fountain he says189302:04:58,710 --> 02:05:01,740the influencer game is real Themore money is going into it. In189402:05:01,740 --> 02:05:05,190my opinion, it's anentrepreneur's dream. V for v is189502:05:05,190 --> 02:05:07,410the foundation. Most of thesepeople are missing, though.189602:05:07,920 --> 02:05:11,910Adam Curry: Did you see Did yousee that? People getting payouts189702:05:11,910 --> 02:05:17,550from Twitter? No. And they wereposting it? Yeah. So I've seen189802:05:17,550 --> 02:05:21,480people getting $5,000.10. Ofcourse, they have no 2 million189902:05:21,510 --> 02:05:22,260followers.190002:05:23,250 --> 02:05:25,830Dave Jones: Stay on theplatform. No, it's, I guess190102:05:25,830 --> 02:05:30,240Adam Curry: the way it works isthey put advertising in the in190202:05:30,240 --> 02:05:35,280the follow up tweets to yourtweet. And every ad that is190302:05:35,280 --> 02:05:40,530shown in those tweets, you get apiece of the action. And so190402:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,260yeah, some people were gettingsome some pretty big payouts,190502:05:43,620 --> 02:05:45,630then very interesting.190602:05:46,290 --> 02:05:48,900Dave Jones: Did you know thatTwitter's getting sued by the by190702:05:48,900 --> 02:05:50,820a conglomerate of musicpublishers?190802:05:51,720 --> 02:05:55,560Adam Curry: I think I did.Because, you know, they don't190902:05:55,560 --> 02:05:59,610play the game. The game thateverybody paid plays, is they191002:05:59,610 --> 02:06:04,110pay 10s of millions of dollars ayear, maybe even more than that191102:06:04,320 --> 02:06:09,690for blanket licenses. And so,you know, that was really what191202:06:09,690 --> 02:06:12,480bytedance said, what tic TOCs itis they were the first to get a191302:06:12,480 --> 02:06:16,020full on as far as I know, to getnot just a full on license, but191402:06:16,020 --> 02:06:18,300also to make it available totheir people so they could do191502:06:18,300 --> 02:06:23,430all the stupid dances. And doand do it legally. And be out.191602:06:23,430 --> 02:06:26,340And then of course Google andFacebook, they also all this is191702:06:26,340 --> 02:06:28,920what the music industry is rightwith tick tock is the music191802:06:28,920 --> 02:06:30,510business. Right.191902:06:31,410 --> 02:06:34,500Dave Jones: And people just takepeople just take those videos192002:06:34,500 --> 02:06:38,700and republish them on the otherplatforms. Yep. And Facebook192102:06:38,700 --> 02:06:42,690paid. Yep. Yeah, Instagram andTwitter did not192202:06:42,690 --> 02:06:45,390Adam Curry: Yeah, no, he's gonnalose out he's gonna lose that192302:06:45,540 --> 02:06:49,170Dave Jones: he'll lose well, soone of the I don't have a last192402:06:49,170 --> 02:06:53,040who this quote was from, but asit may have been the guy from192502:06:53,040 --> 02:06:58,110Universal. He said, Twitterknows full well that music is192602:06:58,110 --> 02:07:01,740leaked, launched and streamed bybillions of people every day on192702:07:01,740 --> 02:07:06,690his platform. No longer can ithide behind the DMCA and refused192802:07:06,690 --> 02:07:11,190to pay songwriters and musicpublishers. That thought that192902:07:11,190 --> 02:07:14,070was an interesting quote. Nokidding. You know, he's like,193002:07:14,100 --> 02:07:18,150he's like, no, no, no, no, youcan't just say, hey, send a193102:07:18,150 --> 02:07:21,390DMCA, and we'll take it down.That's not enough. You have to193202:07:21,420 --> 02:07:26,100actively use one of thesefingerprinting algorithms trip193302:07:26,100 --> 02:07:26,640proactive.193402:07:27,509 --> 02:07:32,399Adam Curry: Oh, really? This iswhy we're doing we're doing good193502:07:32,399 --> 02:07:35,639work here. Send me that image.Dave. I want to I want to put it193602:07:35,639 --> 02:07:38,579on the I want to stream it. Ican stream it. I can put it in193702:07:38,579 --> 02:07:39,659the split kit and stream it.193802:07:40,740 --> 02:07:45,450Dave Jones: Okay, that was theoriginal Richard from Joel 1111193902:07:45,450 --> 02:07:47,790through fountain No, no, thankyou. Thank you, Joe. Thank you.194002:07:48,960 --> 02:07:54,390See we've got 2000 SAS from Rp1984. Boosting for Dave's book194102:07:54,390 --> 02:07:54,870club.194202:07:54,899 --> 02:07:57,689Adam Curry: Yeah, there you go.Go is to start.194302:07:59,939 --> 02:08:04,439Dave Jones: One 100 of the wayto a road caster do Oscar marry194402:08:04,469 --> 02:08:08,33910,000 SATs through found hesays I am against the shim for194502:08:08,339 --> 02:08:11,789music and podcast index.wavelike has exactly what we194602:08:11,789 --> 02:08:14,099need already set up and weshould be pointing artists to194702:08:14,099 --> 02:08:16,829WaveLight to get on boarded.Having only one music hosting194802:08:16,829 --> 02:08:19,109company is not a problem in theshort term. We just need to get194902:08:19,109 --> 02:08:21,179things started and as long asWaveLight continue to support195002:08:21,179 --> 02:08:24,899open RSS then others can come inlater down the line. Let's all195102:08:24,899 --> 02:08:27,929get behind wave lake for musichosting and try and build as big195202:08:27,929 --> 02:08:31,139a catalog as we can. Which isthe only way this will work.195302:08:31,740 --> 02:08:34,530Adam Curry: I think we I thinkwe agreed on that. On the last195402:08:34,530 --> 02:08:39,060show. I did not get a second onthe motion and it was it was195502:08:39,060 --> 02:08:42,870shelved and tabled topermanently you retracted it is195602:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,150I did. I will now yes I195702:08:45,150 --> 02:08:48,000Dave Jones: retract every trialcase now which I feel is better.195802:08:48,000 --> 02:08:53,280Okay, anonymous 6666 in thenodige says rockin well thank195902:08:53,280 --> 02:08:58,020you anonymous and he gave usanother 6666 When no note bad196002:08:58,020 --> 02:09:01,980career advice chats and as abigger sexual Richard's 11 111196102:09:02,580 --> 02:09:05,670through fountain he says notgonna not gonna lie this Shem196202:09:05,670 --> 02:09:10,140talk is making mas gloss over.Yeah, it's kind of the point.196302:09:11,130 --> 02:09:14,070I've been Ride or Die sinceepisode one. But this discussion196402:09:14,070 --> 02:09:17,040was like a PhD thesis on thehypothetical application of196502:09:17,070 --> 02:09:19,440string theory to thedistribution of ceiling string196602:09:19,440 --> 02:09:24,510from a can real problemsnecessary conversation, but this196702:09:24,510 --> 02:09:34,170is a real grind of a boardmeeting boost to give him Sorry,196802:09:34,380 --> 02:09:36,930bad career advice. Yeah, but wemade up with it with great196902:09:36,930 --> 02:09:42,480music. That's true. Jean being2222 threes cast Matic is a spec197002:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,780wise maybe what we need is tocodify a way to define a three197102:09:45,780 --> 02:09:49,740tier authors. What whenever Ihear three tier.197202:09:51,359 --> 02:09:53,579Adam Curry: I'm boosting you outof that. Three tier197302:09:53,579 --> 02:09:56,969authorization is that like asecret handshake with a decoder197402:09:56,969 --> 02:09:57,239ring197502:09:57,689 --> 02:09:59,309Dave Jones: that thinks whereyou end up with one where you197602:09:59,309 --> 02:10:03,479end up shaking them The guy'sankle spec was maybe we what we197702:10:03,479 --> 02:10:06,449need is a to codify way todefine a three tier197802:10:06,449 --> 02:10:10,049authorization process where an Oauth flow is tier one and197902:10:10,049 --> 02:10:15,059automatically inserted TX T tagstier two in a manually added txt198002:10:15,059 --> 02:10:20,279tags tier three. Oh, I see whathe's saying. Okay. Yeah, okay,198102:10:20,279 --> 02:10:23,339so it was Yeah, well maybe maybemaybe down the road Yeah, I mean198202:10:23,339 --> 02:10:26,759there could be a spec Yeah, cuzhe asked me what you mean. Yeah,198302:10:26,759 --> 02:10:28,589that would that would be aseparate spec, sort of like the198402:10:28,589 --> 02:10:31,349namespace would be defined asthe tags and then how to198502:10:31,349 --> 02:10:34,079interact and then you could havea separate spec for this other198602:10:34,079 --> 02:10:38,159thing which I truly that shouldbe something that the podcast198702:10:38,159 --> 02:10:42,179Energy Group does ah, thatsounds like their bowl.198802:10:42,600 --> 02:10:46,200Adam Curry: Good luck was atYeah Hey, um, if you pull up198902:10:46,200 --> 02:10:49,680curio caster I think I'm nowstreaming your Star Man image.199002:10:50,460 --> 02:10:52,230Dave Jones: How did you get itand you've seen it yet?199102:10:52,500 --> 02:10:56,640Adam Curry: I will. Say babybaby. Father we're talking about199202:10:56,640 --> 02:11:00,600sage man come on the lid down.Keep the lid down if you want to199302:11:00,600 --> 02:11:01,560stick around199402:11:03,630 --> 02:11:05,160Dave Jones: Oh, wait, weshouldn't be199502:11:05,160 --> 02:11:08,610Adam Curry: working here.Casters should be working. Oh199602:11:08,610 --> 02:11:09,270yes, I see.199702:11:11,340 --> 02:11:14,370Dave Jones: Now you you justhave so you had just new toys199802:11:14,370 --> 02:11:14,580and I199902:11:14,580 --> 02:11:17,730Adam Curry: have power I havepowers this is cool. This is the200002:11:17,730 --> 02:11:22,680split kid man once you figure itout. This is there's no going200102:11:22,680 --> 02:11:23,130back and200202:11:23,160 --> 02:11:25,110Dave Jones: that's a good lookand Jeff and yeah, that's a200302:11:25,110 --> 02:11:29,790Adam Curry: great look. And Jeffsaid that your your is is really200402:11:29,790 --> 02:11:30,180tight.200502:11:30,899 --> 02:11:35,849Dave Jones: I know. I get that alot if you knew how many times a200602:11:35,849 --> 02:11:36,329day I hurt200702:11:36,359 --> 02:11:39,359Adam Curry: yeah, I know. Allright, and back to the value for200802:11:39,359 --> 02:11:40,619value image. Okay,200902:11:40,620 --> 02:11:43,290Dave Jones: and when MacintoshOh, you just it just changed on201002:11:43,290 --> 02:11:43,920my screen?201102:11:43,950 --> 02:11:45,570Adam Curry: I did. How cool isthat?201202:11:46,530 --> 02:11:50,580Dave Jones: Macintosh 2100 setsgreat talk about peer tube stuff201302:11:50,580 --> 02:11:53,190looking forward to integratingit into my setup Macintosh201402:11:53,190 --> 02:11:56,220generation Bitcoin. Well, that'dbe great. Macintosh right Oh,201502:11:57,060 --> 02:12:01,140Jean being 10 grand cast Matic Ireally wish transcription201602:12:01,140 --> 02:12:03,810services would allow you tosubmit individual tracks per201702:12:03,810 --> 02:12:06,870speaker instead of just themerge mp3 as then there would be201802:12:06,870 --> 02:12:08,880no issue with knowing who saidwhat.201902:12:09,210 --> 02:12:11,010Adam Curry: Oh, well. That's aninteresting idea. I hadn't even202002:12:11,010 --> 02:12:14,550thought of that. Not that Iwould do it but it's totally202102:12:14,640 --> 02:12:16,500totally doable that way, Iguess.202202:12:16,920 --> 02:12:20,100Dave Jones: Yeah, that soundslike a really neat idea. Jean202302:12:20,100 --> 02:12:23,460been 20 to 22 guests mazes Ihear y'all talk about Hello, Pat202402:12:23,460 --> 02:12:26,880a lot. But it work with fountainor Alby as the wallet that202502:12:26,880 --> 02:12:32,430receives the boosts. Not not asa current it's an lnd polar.202602:12:32,700 --> 02:12:36,510Adam Curry: So you got to haveyou got to have a node. But202702:12:36,540 --> 02:12:41,040Dave Jones: but the plan withhell Upad when I returned to it202802:12:41,520 --> 02:12:47,460is to be able to boost back youknow, do a reply boost in so in202902:12:47,460 --> 02:12:51,540that I think I will actually putin support for the lb extension.203002:12:51,990 --> 02:12:54,180Adam Curry: Ooh, yeah, that thatwould be great. If you can do203102:12:54,180 --> 02:12:57,600that. That's a big win. Yeah,thanks. That's a big win.203202:12:58,859 --> 02:13:03,329Dave Jones: See, just listeningfor devices. There's one podcast203302:13:03,329 --> 02:13:06,509where I don't skip through theads. It is no dumb questions203402:13:06,509 --> 02:13:10,169with destin Sandlin and MattWhitman. An excellent podcast my203502:13:10,169 --> 02:13:12,809entire family listens to and theads are incredibly well done203602:13:12,809 --> 02:13:15,809this is a native ad plus theyhave started reading ads from203702:13:15,809 --> 02:13:18,779listeners who bid for an ad spota very interesting idea in my203802:13:18,779 --> 02:13:24,749mind. Thank you for all rightthe way it works. Thanks Jess203902:13:24,749 --> 02:13:32,459listening. See you a couple herepretty pants 12345 Thank you204002:13:32,459 --> 02:13:36,329pristine mountain says songbooster song says tune tamer204102:13:36,359 --> 02:13:40,589rhythm wrangler Oh these arethese are song like show title204202:13:40,589 --> 02:13:41,609suggestions. Oh204302:13:41,610 --> 02:13:43,680Adam Curry: read them again.Song booster204402:13:43,710 --> 02:13:47,850Dave Jones: song sets tune tamerrhythm wrangler and Jeep jammer204502:13:49,530 --> 02:13:52,350Adam Curry: all interesting.These could be sub items within204602:13:52,350 --> 02:13:52,920the show.204702:13:53,189 --> 02:13:56,339Dave Jones: Is this a follow upof another 12345 this is204802:13:56,339 --> 02:14:00,269treasure tunes sketchy songmaster tracking tunes and Music204902:14:00,269 --> 02:14:00,809Meister205002:14:01,170 --> 02:14:04,110Adam Curry: these are all greatlittle sub items for in the205102:14:04,110 --> 02:14:05,760show. Thank you.205202:14:06,540 --> 02:14:09,330Dave Jones: Jean basin is a 4kkiller boosts with no no thank205302:14:09,330 --> 02:14:14,310you. Jay made our Davis 87 NoSasha Richards 1111 sweating my205402:14:14,310 --> 02:14:18,510Richard and busting a move tothe music of detox. Go V for V205502:14:18,510 --> 02:14:21,480music. Yeah, okay, detox isAlex's buddy.205602:14:21,660 --> 02:14:24,210Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Oh, yeah,of course. Of course. We played205702:14:24,210 --> 02:14:25,620we played his stuff. Sure.205802:14:26,430 --> 02:14:29,850Dave Jones: Jeff and his 4004says with no note, thank you,205902:14:29,850 --> 02:14:34,800Jeff. 10,333 from I am robotthrough fountain says got206002:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,560Masatoshi coffee ready for theboard meeting. David Adam.206102:14:37,560 --> 02:14:39,810There's always a lot ofdiscussions about the update of206202:14:39,810 --> 02:14:42,630modern podcast apps. But whatabout the state of the podcast?206302:14:42,660 --> 02:14:46,320Podcast hosting platforms on theindex? Anyone that stands out or206402:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,210is running with scissors in thepipe?206502:14:49,229 --> 02:14:52,829Adam Curry: Well, I mean, thisdoes mean there's lots of lots206602:14:52,829 --> 02:14:57,089of hosts who are who who supportthe the namespace items.206702:14:57,899 --> 02:14:58,739Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure.206802:14:59,160 --> 02:15:01,110Adam Curry: I don't know ifanyone's done. Hands out per se.206902:15:01,110 --> 02:15:04,140But, you know, we don't reallyplay favorites, but we're happy207002:15:04,140 --> 02:15:07,530with every host that supportsanything from the namespace. And207102:15:07,530 --> 02:15:11,670everyone has to go at their ownpace. But But Lipson, where are207202:15:11,670 --> 02:15:12,150ya?207302:15:13,979 --> 02:15:16,259Dave Jones: It's easier to comeup with a with a with a wall of207402:15:16,259 --> 02:15:21,059shame. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Well,one guy we have not had on here207502:15:21,059 --> 02:15:24,509and this is my fault one guythat we have been just207602:15:24,509 --> 02:15:27,719completely neglected to talk toyou is Dobie das Obrador says207702:15:27,719 --> 02:15:31,409blue. Let's bring them on them.Yeah, we gotta we gotta get him207802:15:31,409 --> 02:15:34,109on. I mean, I was just likebring them on a totally keep207902:15:34,109 --> 02:15:35,189forgetting to reach out to him.208002:15:35,250 --> 02:15:37,380Adam Curry: But remember Ipromise I promised Oscar as soon208102:15:37,380 --> 02:15:40,470as he released this that as soonas he's out with this new208202:15:40,470 --> 02:15:42,000release we'll bring him on.208302:15:42,570 --> 02:15:49,830Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah,for sure. Let's see. Okay. Oh,208402:15:49,860 --> 02:15:53,310there it is. 1000 SATs GuySmiley, V for V. That's all he208502:15:53,310 --> 02:15:53,760says.208602:15:53,970 --> 02:15:55,320Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank youvery much.208702:15:56,340 --> 02:16:00,480Dave Jones: 5555 from Borlaug,no notes through pod verse.208802:16:00,480 --> 02:16:05,250Thank you Borlaug boost boostsatchel Richards 1111 from Pat208902:16:05,250 --> 02:16:09,180back career advice chances preboosting the show v for V yay,209002:16:09,240 --> 02:16:12,660boost your comic strip blogger209102:16:12,750 --> 02:16:14,160Adam Curry: dot the delimiterlitter209202:16:14,670 --> 02:16:19,650Dave Jones: 30 3015 throughfountain he says. Howdy gringos209302:16:20,010 --> 02:16:23,370David Adam, please invite youraudience to use my chat GPT209402:16:23,370 --> 02:16:28,350plugin in plugin store justsearch for podcast search usage209502:16:28,470 --> 02:16:33,390usage examples. Number one, findpodcasts about your revision.209602:16:36,270 --> 02:16:41,670Number two, get episodes have noagenda. Coming soon show notes,209702:16:41,700 --> 02:16:45,750transcripts and large languagemodel based data analysis. Yo209802:16:45,810 --> 02:16:46,530CSB.209902:16:46,590 --> 02:16:49,710Adam Curry: I like this. Thankyou CSB. And I'm going to, I210002:16:49,710 --> 02:16:54,300have a chat GPT account, I guessI'll try out Pro for a while.210102:16:54,630 --> 02:16:58,710Which cost money just to tryyour your plugin, because I210202:16:58,710 --> 02:17:01,680really appreciate you doing thatI need I need to be able to see210302:17:01,680 --> 02:17:03,030how it works and what it does.210402:17:03,600 --> 02:17:05,070Dave Jones: And I need to dothat too. Yeah,210502:17:05,129 --> 02:17:08,099Adam Curry: I'll pay for it. Forsure. Yeah, that's cool. And210602:17:08,099 --> 02:17:10,769what's their model over there?If if I pay and I use your plug210702:17:10,769 --> 02:17:14,699in? Do you get any money fromit? Any do they have a split210802:17:14,699 --> 02:17:15,209system?210902:17:16,229 --> 02:17:20,159Dave Jones: Again? My guess isthe model is give us211002:17:20,160 --> 02:17:24,450Adam Curry: your free UK, youpay and we we take all the211102:17:24,450 --> 02:17:24,810money?211202:17:25,139 --> 02:17:28,559Dave Jones: Yes, that's a model.That's the model. Just to guess211302:17:28,589 --> 02:17:29,159it's just a guess.211402:17:29,190 --> 02:17:31,260Adam Curry: By the way, I wantedto apologize to everybody who211502:17:31,260 --> 02:17:34,080has liquidity through thepodcast index node which is211602:17:34,080 --> 02:17:36,630where all these all these sitesstay on the node we use that for211702:17:36,630 --> 02:17:40,140liquidity for people's channels.We were down for what was the211802:17:40,140 --> 02:17:44,100Dave six hours maybe a while itwas a while man, we don't know211902:17:44,100 --> 02:17:48,840exactly what happened. But ourvoltage node went down or was212002:17:48,840 --> 02:17:53,310taken down was restarted. Grahamcaught all the errors or212102:17:53,310 --> 02:17:57,630something with we were runningout of memory. We don't really212202:17:57,630 --> 02:18:00,270know why this is we getattacked. I'm just gonna212302:18:00,270 --> 02:18:05,310declared an attack. Okay, so wewere DDoS. And but now the great212402:18:05,310 --> 02:18:09,450thing about our node is it's abig AST node, b a n big AST212502:18:09,450 --> 02:18:15,630node. Which is great because,you know, we can provide a lot212602:18:15,630 --> 02:18:19,920of liquidity we have over 100channels. The downside is that212702:18:19,920 --> 02:18:24,270when you have one of thoserestarts bad restart, it has to212802:18:24,270 --> 02:18:27,900go and rescan everything has toprune stuff is a lot of stuff212902:18:27,900 --> 02:18:31,170that had to happen. And itbasically took six hours I think213002:18:31,200 --> 02:18:36,060before we before we completelygot back up. So apologies for213102:18:36,060 --> 02:18:38,640that. And if you need areopening of a channel hit me up213202:18:40,620 --> 02:18:42,420Dave Jones: yet, but I thinkwe're good, right? Everything's213302:18:42,480 --> 02:18:43,350everything's fine. But213402:18:43,710 --> 02:18:47,610Adam Curry: yeah, we're in afive by five. Do we have any213502:18:47,610 --> 02:18:48,300monthlies?213602:18:48,510 --> 02:18:50,520Dave Jones: We got somemonthlies. You got basil Philip,213702:18:50,820 --> 02:18:55,800good looking guy $25 not farbehind the penultimate good213802:18:55,800 --> 02:19:01,830looking Gob Lauren ball $24.20Get Christopher Hora Barak $10213902:19:02,220 --> 02:19:07,950Mitch Downey Hey, Mitch $10.Terry Keller, longtime, longtime214002:19:07,950 --> 02:19:08,310are the214102:19:08,309 --> 02:19:10,289Adam Curry: humans description.He's known as the human214202:19:10,289 --> 02:19:12,659subscription. $4.11214302:19:13,350 --> 02:19:15,300Dave Jones: Does he subscribe toeverything? No, I214402:19:15,300 --> 02:19:20,730Adam Curry: just is it $4.11?No, this, this was $5 Oh, okay.214502:19:21,570 --> 02:19:24,330Usually he does some some coolnumber like that.214602:19:24,959 --> 02:19:28,079Dave Jones: Jeffrey Rutherford.$5 Thank you Jeffrey, Chris cow214702:19:28,079 --> 02:19:34,769and $5. Jeremy Kevin not indollars. Damon Castle, Jack $15214802:19:35,069 --> 02:19:37,799Derek J Vickery, Derek J.Vickery, the best name in214902:19:37,799 --> 02:19:42,389podcasting. $21 and Jeremygerdts $5. Thank you guys.215002:19:42,420 --> 02:19:45,000Adam Curry: Thank you all somuch for supporting podcasting.215102:19:45,000 --> 02:19:48,9602.0 not just the podcast, butthe entire project, which is all215202:19:48,990 --> 02:19:52,950value for value you put into it,what you get out of it. We215302:19:52,950 --> 02:19:56,850provide it all to you at nocharge and just send it back215402:19:56,850 --> 02:20:00,300whatever it's worth to you. Alot of people say Hold us215502:20:00,300 --> 02:20:02,640because they use theinfrastructure. Some people just215602:20:02,640 --> 02:20:05,550want to support podcasting.Whatever it is. It is all215702:20:05,550 --> 02:20:08,100appreciated. Go to podcastindex.org At the bottom you got215802:20:08,100 --> 02:20:11,520two red buttons. I shouldprobably check. I usually forget215902:20:11,520 --> 02:20:14,190to do that. So no one's reallydone anything for the tally coin216002:20:14,190 --> 02:20:17,550a long while but we'll see.You've got a Fiat fun coupon216102:20:17,550 --> 02:20:22,920link for PayPal. And right thereyou can use. Let's see. 10th of216202:20:22,920 --> 02:20:27,720July. Oh, how about that we gota tally coin checking from J216302:20:27,720 --> 02:20:33,540moon. Hello, J Moon 22,257 SATs.Thank you very much. So you can216402:20:33,810 --> 02:20:37,440move you can do it right thereon chain or enlightening. But of216502:20:37,440 --> 02:20:40,560course, we always recommend yougo to podcast apps.com Get one216602:20:40,560 --> 02:20:44,130of those brand new modernpodcast apps import all your216702:20:44,130 --> 02:20:47,850legacy podcast all work fromwhatever you're using right now.216802:20:48,060 --> 02:20:51,480Just toss that thing aside anduse a modern podcast app so you216902:20:51,480 --> 02:20:55,020can boost us and participate inthe show and thank you all for217002:20:55,020 --> 02:20:56,940supporting podcasting 2.0217102:20:58,440 --> 02:21:03,480Dave Jones: While while you werewhile you were doing that, I got217202:21:03,480 --> 02:21:12,990a got an email from Sam. sayingthat we should be good to go on217302:21:12,990 --> 02:21:17,040to rejoin the waitlist for podfans. Oh, excellent. cleared out217402:21:17,040 --> 02:21:18,960the he cleared out the funk egg.217502:21:19,680 --> 02:21:23,640Adam Curry: Excellent. clearedout the Fung na. Yes. Yeah.217602:21:23,640 --> 02:21:24,180Good.217702:21:24,540 --> 02:21:26,550Dave Jones: I put both of ouremail addresses in there. So you217802:21:26,550 --> 02:21:30,630should be getting a verificationemail to join good because217902:21:30,630 --> 02:21:33,150Adam Curry: I'm stoked. I'mstoked to try this thing out. I218002:21:33,150 --> 02:21:34,650mean, he's got so much in there.218102:21:35,640 --> 02:21:37,860Dave Jones: Yeah. And he saidthat he said that will get us on218202:21:37,860 --> 02:21:41,790the waiting list, and then he'llapprove our emails. Okay. So218302:21:41,790 --> 02:21:42,330we're good to go.218402:21:42,420 --> 02:21:45,900Adam Curry: Excellent.Excellent. Ah, man, we went218502:21:45,930 --> 02:21:50,160overboard today. We went up.We're too too to know. Well, we218602:21:50,160 --> 02:21:52,410did a row of ducks. Numbertoday.218702:21:53,220 --> 02:21:56,220Dave Jones: Oh, my cats tryingto make my cats upset about this218802:21:56,220 --> 02:22:00,600to try to get in the podcast. Idon't know. I don't know what218902:22:00,600 --> 02:22:01,230the problem is.219002:22:02,340 --> 02:22:04,650Adam Curry: All right, brother.The I think we I think we've219102:22:04,650 --> 02:22:08,700done it for today. All right.When are you on vacation? Yeah,219202:22:08,730 --> 02:22:10,650that's two more weeks. The 28th.219302:22:10,950 --> 02:22:13,590Dave Jones: Yeah, we're leavingthe 24th and coming back on the219402:22:13,590 --> 02:22:16,11031st. Okay, and be out the 28th.219502:22:16,200 --> 02:22:18,450Adam Curry: Yeah. And I got inAugust somewhere. We're going to219602:22:18,450 --> 02:22:21,270be in Europe, but we'll we'llwork on that later.219702:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,800Dave Jones: We're going toCalifornia. Why? We're going to219802:22:25,890 --> 02:22:26,670Yosemite.219902:22:26,970 --> 02:22:28,920Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well,that's not California. Great.220002:22:28,920 --> 02:22:29,070We're220102:22:29,070 --> 02:22:30,210Dave Jones: gonna get toCalifornia.220202:22:30,990 --> 02:22:33,150Adam Curry: You know, we used towe used to have camp curry in220302:22:33,150 --> 02:22:38,550Yosemite, I think. Did theychange the name? Camp camp camp220402:22:38,550 --> 02:22:40,950Curry was used to belong to mykin.220502:22:42,270 --> 02:22:43,800Dave Jones: Oh, really? Yeah.Let me see. Interesting.220602:22:43,800 --> 02:22:47,130Adam Curry: Let me see if it's,and then it was sold. And then220702:22:47,220 --> 02:22:51,720now they call it Curry Village.Yeah, correct. Village, Curry220802:22:51,720 --> 02:22:54,600Dave Jones: Village. We'reactually not It's not we're not220902:22:54,600 --> 02:22:56,880going to it's not Yosemite.Exactly. We're going to his221002:22:56,880 --> 02:22:59,310below that. We're going toSequoia National Forest.221102:22:59,310 --> 02:23:01,500Adam Curry: It's okay. Because,you know, I would have blocked221202:23:01,500 --> 02:23:07,890you from Curry Village. Let himin. Keep that guy out. Now,221302:23:08,370 --> 02:23:11,130there's a whole bunch offolklore about about it was camp221402:23:11,130 --> 02:23:14,130curry nuggets. Now it's CurryVillage. And one of my221502:23:14,280 --> 02:23:17,760favorites, my great, greatuncle. He will go up on on top221602:23:17,760 --> 02:23:21,480of one of the mountaintopsthere. And they build a big221702:23:21,480 --> 02:23:25,830bonfire at the end of the day,and then they'll all be up there221802:23:25,830 --> 02:23:29,850and then he would yell let thefire footway, he would yell, let221902:23:29,850 --> 02:23:34,350the fire fall. And they'd kickall of the fire off of that and222002:23:34,350 --> 02:23:38,730would all fall down like a bigwaterfall of fire. That sounds222102:23:38,730 --> 02:23:41,790impressive. Camp curry. Campcurry. Now Curry Village,222202:23:41,790 --> 02:23:43,110Yosemite National Park.222302:23:43,470 --> 02:23:47,130Dave Jones: It says is it saysCurry Village views beyond222402:23:47,130 --> 02:23:47,850belief.222502:23:48,750 --> 02:23:49,680Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh,222602:23:49,890 --> 02:23:50,730Dave Jones: I believe it222702:23:52,800 --> 02:23:55,410Adam Curry: has dribs God'ssaying hey, there's some boosts.222802:23:56,190 --> 02:23:59,610Yes, thank you very much. OurDavis 87 long row of ducks.222902:23:59,640 --> 02:24:05,10022,222 Steven B 3333. timerreset issue is fixed in the223002:24:05,100 --> 02:24:06,420split kit. Here's $1.223102:24:10,440 --> 02:24:12,750Dave Jones: Why didn't Why didyou say the dollar dreads?223202:24:13,110 --> 02:24:15,720Adam Curry: No. Well, I don'tknow Steve. He just boosting.223302:24:15,960 --> 02:24:20,430And by the way, he says 3333SATs is exactly $1 today Yes, it223402:24:20,430 --> 02:24:24,720is more or less that? I guess.Yes. And our Davis 87. One on223502:24:24,720 --> 02:24:27,690One on one correction typo fromprevious origin of knowledge of223602:24:27,690 --> 02:24:30,960podcasting. Okay, we're allgood. Everybody's good. Dubs.223702:24:30,960 --> 02:24:34,560Thanks for the outliner link. Weall appreciate you very much.223802:24:34,560 --> 02:24:37,470Thanks for being with us. ChatRoom. Have a great weekend.223902:24:37,500 --> 02:24:40,350Dave. My brother have yourself agood weekend. You too, man.224002:24:40,470 --> 02:24:44,190Okay, we will be back next weekfor another board meeting of224102:24:44,190 --> 02:24:48,030podcasting. 2.0 bring yourefreshments we'll be expecting224202:24:48,030 --> 02:24:49,410you see that Adios.224302:25:05,520 --> 02:25:10,080Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast224402:25:10,080 --> 02:25:12,750index.com For more information224502:25:15,240 --> 02:25:16,350Adam Curry: boosting is loving