Episode 131: Toilet Scroller

100:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,360Adam Curry: podcasting 2.04 mainfest 2023 Episode 131 Grab your200:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,850Twitter scroller. Whoa, we'reback. All in one face. Welcome300:00:11,850 --> 00:00:15,930to podcasting. 2.0 That's right,the official board meeting of400:00:15,930 --> 00:00:19,650the future and current state ofpodcasting, everything going on500:00:19,650 --> 00:00:23,280a podcast index.org podcastnamespace and of course,600:00:23,580 --> 00:00:26,820anything we're gossiping abouton podcast index dot social. We700:00:26,820 --> 00:00:30,210are the premier podcastboardroom. I'm I'm very here in800:00:30,210 --> 00:00:32,910the heart of the Texas HillCountry and in Alabama, ladies,900:00:32,910 --> 00:00:36,120he's organized, he's tidy, andhe can cook. Say hello to my1000:00:36,120 --> 00:00:42,870friend on the other end, Mr.Dave Jones. A three. You can't1100:00:42,870 --> 00:00:46,770cook. No, I can't. Yes, you can.You could cook I thought you1200:00:46,770 --> 00:00:51,750were you're not really knowanybody who can work. If you can1300:00:51,750 --> 00:00:55,170maintain a GitHub you can cook.You can read and cook.1400:00:55,740 --> 00:01:00,090Dave Jones: No, I have I've Ican follow a recipe. Yeah, but1500:01:00,090 --> 00:01:04,890the recipes in recipe bookshorrible. They're like this.1600:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,820This is the typical recipe book.It's okay, you're gonna make1700:01:08,820 --> 00:01:13,410Fettuccine Alfredo. First, gomake the alfredo sauce, which is1800:01:13,410 --> 00:01:14,490on page 13.1900:01:15,209 --> 00:01:18,299Adam Curry: You know, you know,the next cloud? You're familiar2000:01:18,299 --> 00:01:19,739with the next cloud product,right?2100:01:20,130 --> 00:01:23,160Dave Jones: Is this the fork ofownCloud? Yes, exactly.2200:01:23,190 --> 00:01:27,210Adam Curry: Yeah. They have awhole recipe module. And it's2300:01:27,210 --> 00:01:31,350actually pretty good. And youcan even you can just say, go to2400:01:31,350 --> 00:01:34,350this URL and import the recipethere. It knows how to parse2500:01:34,350 --> 00:01:37,770through a web page pulls it allin, get your ingredient list.2600:01:38,250 --> 00:01:38,910It's pretty bad.2700:01:39,630 --> 00:01:42,360Dave Jones: Is there an openspec for recipe formatting?2800:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,880Adam Curry: You know, we've? No,I don't think so. But we've2900:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,500talked about this we talkedabout I think at one point that3000:01:50,130 --> 00:01:55,560value for value. Could even berecipes with recipe chapters.3100:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,370Dave Jones: We we talked aboutin in the boardroom? Yes. This3200:02:02,370 --> 00:02:03,960is a weird discussion, a3300:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,500Adam Curry: good idea. It's agreat idea. I'm telling you.3400:02:07,530 --> 00:02:08,040It's good3500:02:08,069 --> 00:02:10,199Dave Jones: medium said weneeded a new medium tag. Yeah,3600:02:10,619 --> 00:02:12,989he made food3700:02:13,139 --> 00:02:17,819Adam Curry: equals a recipe. Bythe way. Today, as we all know,3800:02:17,819 --> 00:02:21,629podcasting 2.0 This podcast isnot only a part of the overall3900:02:21,629 --> 00:02:25,859podcasting 2.0 project, it isthe gateway to the drug that you4000:02:25,859 --> 00:02:30,749want on the back end. But it'salso where we run with scissors,4100:02:31,349 --> 00:02:34,499which means it's very possibledue to changes in today's4200:02:34,499 --> 00:02:37,829podcast V that it may not evenwork in your podcast app.4300:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,870Dave Jones: It almost didn'twork in yesterday.4400:02:43,500 --> 00:02:47,010Adam Curry: So I just yeah, weneed to tell everybody how. And4500:02:47,010 --> 00:02:51,900I don't use this word lightlyhow awesome Steven b is. So I'm4600:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,300getting ready for no agenda.We've been doing live shows,4700:02:54,300 --> 00:02:59,370while the legacy of lit into adegree is no agenda, who've had4800:02:59,370 --> 00:03:03,630an IRC chat room and a streamgoing for at least 14 years of4900:03:03,630 --> 00:03:09,840the 16. And so have that all ina live in your app in one of the5000:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,820four curio caster pod pod verse.A podcast addict podcast Guru, I5100:03:14,820 --> 00:03:19,080think that's for so far. Theseof course phenomenal. So I've5200:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,460been using it ever since westarted podcasting. 2.0 right5300:03:23,460 --> 00:03:26,700off the bat is the reason StevenB is so awesome. He created5400:03:26,700 --> 00:03:30,030sovereign feeds, sovereignfeeds.com, which is how I create5500:03:30,030 --> 00:03:33,570all of my podcast feeds. Why isit so awesome? Because whenever5600:03:33,570 --> 00:03:36,540we come up with some idea, heimplements it, and then we're5700:03:36,540 --> 00:03:40,950publishing with that new tag ornew feature in the feed. And5800:03:40,950 --> 00:03:43,890then he has the flip side tothat curio caster, which of5900:03:43,890 --> 00:03:48,780course always eats its own dogfood. So we so we have one round6000:03:48,780 --> 00:03:51,390robin trip that everybody cantry out. And so you know, we've6100:03:51,390 --> 00:03:54,750had, you know, so you know,stuff breaks and stuff happens.6200:03:54,750 --> 00:03:57,810But now that I'm kind of usingsovereign feeds in full on6300:03:57,810 --> 00:04:02,910production mode for a couple ofyears for for no agenda. And I6400:04:02,910 --> 00:04:08,820go in there to schedule the liveshow. And it doesn't work. I'm6500:04:08,820 --> 00:04:12,270clicking on the update Liveepisode just does nothing. I'm6600:04:12,270 --> 00:04:14,760refreshing. I'm logging inlogging out like, Okay, now it's6700:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,110time to reach out. And I can'tget a hold of Steven. And you6800:04:19,110 --> 00:04:21,270know what, okay, I'll justcontinue this a couple hours6900:04:21,270 --> 00:04:24,150before the show. I'll justcontinue with my prep. And now7000:04:24,150 --> 00:04:27,210we're 30 minutes before theshow. And I'm like, What am I7100:04:27,210 --> 00:04:30,300like, Oh my God. Now I'mthinking Dave knows next step.7200:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,160We have to escalate this tolevel two.7300:04:33,510 --> 00:04:36,300Dave Jones: Tech support, whichis no better than level one. Of7400:04:36,300 --> 00:04:36,840course neither7500:04:36,840 --> 00:04:39,960Adam Curry: of us have hisnumber. Why would we? Why would7600:04:39,960 --> 00:04:40,230we?7700:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,730Dave Jones: I'm looking at mysignal. I'm like7800:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,570Adam Curry: no, I thought it wasin signal two, but I guess I7900:04:45,570 --> 00:04:48,240never had I don't know backchanneling I'm publishing I'm8000:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,280doing it. On the site itself.I'm sending emails. Like okay,8100:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,340well just it is what it is andthen we're into the pre show8200:04:56,340 --> 00:05:02,430music and being Yeah. Oh, okay.Yeah. And what did you say it8300:05:02,430 --> 00:05:06,180was? I think one of thelibraries that he was using,8400:05:06,810 --> 00:05:08,010made a change.8500:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,100Dave Jones: I see. It's like adate time library, maybe that8600:05:11,100 --> 00:05:14,520parses the date. He had aspecific something with time. It8700:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,130was something with the timeyou've looked at what the error8800:05:17,130 --> 00:05:17,880was, right?8900:05:18,210 --> 00:05:18,600Adam Curry: Yeah, it9000:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,100Dave Jones: was, it was likespitting out an error in the9100:05:20,100 --> 00:05:22,800console. And it was likesomething with parsing the date9200:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,720is whatever, like, like aminutes or something.9300:05:25,499 --> 00:05:28,259Adam Curry: Oh, he says, lookslike the svelte library. I use9400:05:28,259 --> 00:05:31,319as my framework had some changesthat broke a few components.9500:05:31,769 --> 00:05:35,729I've done some quick fixes, andtested it, it seems to be9600:05:35,729 --> 00:05:38,279working again, I'm able toupdate live item and download9700:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,099the RSS feed. Let me see whatwas the and this was literally9800:05:41,099 --> 00:05:45,6891257, which is now three minutesbefore I go live to air. The9900:05:45,689 --> 00:05:50,279awesome. This is great. But thething wasn't like, I wasn't10000:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,919really worried at all, you know,like, Okay, we'll see whatever10100:05:52,919 --> 00:05:55,229happens. And boom, they're justlike, Oh, of course, click,10200:05:55,229 --> 00:05:57,869click, click, click Live. Andjust as I'm going live, everyone10300:05:57,869 --> 00:06:04,619gets the ping. So I just lovethat. It actually kind of had10400:06:04,619 --> 00:06:07,769very broadcast news type vibe toit, you know, where people are10500:06:07,769 --> 00:06:10,229trying to get the tape in themachine on time throwing it10600:06:10,229 --> 00:06:14,069across the room like yeah, wedid it. We got on air. Hi,10700:06:14,069 --> 00:06:14,699everybody.10800:06:15,629 --> 00:06:18,089Dave Jones: bucket brigade downthe hall with the tape. Yeah,10900:06:18,089 --> 00:06:18,719exactly.11000:06:20,100 --> 00:06:24,180Adam Curry: So the last boardmeeting we had, which was two11100:06:24,180 --> 00:06:30,180weeks ago, since I had a anotheroral procedure, which is less11200:06:30,180 --> 00:06:30,540fun. That11300:06:31,620 --> 00:06:32,760Dave Jones: was the grill thegrill was11400:06:32,790 --> 00:06:36,990Adam Curry: you know, so this,again, the brochure is very11500:06:36,990 --> 00:06:37,590colorful.11600:06:40,590 --> 00:06:42,750Dave Jones: Everybody has smileson their face. Yes.11700:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,840Adam Curry: So this was parttwo, the first part was the11800:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,020extraction. Now that was a fivehour procedure. And this was11900:06:49,020 --> 00:06:55,380supposed to be about three. Andthis is to implant eight posts,12000:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,850which now after12100:06:57,509 --> 00:07:00,389Dave Jones: we you sent me thepicture of this diagram, and it12200:07:00,389 --> 00:07:03,599just makes your it just, it justmakes your skin and12300:07:03,930 --> 00:07:05,820Adam Curry: makes your nutsextracted go up12400:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,320Dave Jones: is horrible. I mean,like just the idea of screwing12500:07:10,590 --> 00:07:14,940titanium posts to your jaw boneis like,12600:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,510Adam Curry: remember, this isfreshly grown jaw bone. That's12700:07:18,510 --> 00:07:18,780that's12800:07:18,780 --> 00:07:22,110Dave Jones: not that's ahorrible thing to say. It's not12900:07:22,110 --> 00:07:25,380I should not say no. Nobodyshould ever say freshly grown13000:07:25,380 --> 00:07:25,980bone.13100:07:27,450 --> 00:07:30,150Adam Curry: It's the technologyis pretty outrageous. I mean,13200:07:30,150 --> 00:07:34,980it's all pretty high tech. Andas part of this this procedure13300:07:35,100 --> 00:07:37,770be ahead and by the way I comein so it was a little different13400:07:37,770 --> 00:07:42,030this time last time he gave melike Xanax or something or some13500:07:42,030 --> 00:07:46,500valium derivative who? Well,yeah. And I was like, Okay, I13600:07:46,500 --> 00:07:49,380mean, look, man, I've been astoner all my life. You think I13700:07:49,410 --> 00:07:52,590quit for a couple months, likeand I'm like, it's like, my,13800:07:52,620 --> 00:07:58,320like, my resistance is gone? No.Like, it was a little little13900:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,500woozy. So I'm not gonna dosomething new this time. Okay,14000:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,720what are you doing? Well, youcome in an hour early. And I'll14100:08:03,720 --> 00:08:10,500give you how doll house youheld. Oh, no. House young house.14200:08:10,500 --> 00:08:10,800Yeah.14300:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,920Dave Jones: What? No. No, howdoes the thing that makes you14400:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,600like a zombie. He just woke herup.14500:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,970Adam Curry: Yeah, similar tothat. And within 20 minutes, I'm14600:08:20,970 --> 00:08:22,320loopy. Like14700:08:25,290 --> 00:08:28,080Dave Jones: never even thoughtthat was a coffee company.14800:08:28,499 --> 00:08:31,379Adam Curry: It's a benzo Ithink. But he gave me the max14900:08:31,379 --> 00:08:34,739dosage. So I'm gonna Wow. Andthen yeah, and then the minute15000:08:34,739 --> 00:08:37,079I'm kind of going Lupinoteenagers there says a prayer.15100:08:37,529 --> 00:08:40,919Bless her heart. Yeah. And sheleaves you're like, Okay, I'm15200:08:40,919 --> 00:08:45,209gonna go feed the dog. And thenall this action, you know, the15300:08:45,209 --> 00:08:51,149IV goes in through and that'sthe, again the fentanyl IV and15400:08:51,149 --> 00:08:54,419four hours, man, it was long.But what he did is a part of15500:08:54,419 --> 00:08:57,869this. And he kind of showed methis while I was drowsy. He said15600:08:57,869 --> 00:09:01,079I'm gonna raise up your sinuses,like three millimeters like15700:09:01,079 --> 00:09:06,599what? So they have this, again,new technology. It's guys really15800:09:06,599 --> 00:09:10,589into it. And they raise mysinuses up three centimeters.15900:09:10,799 --> 00:09:13,889And I'm telling you, you know,once they cleared out that16000:09:13,889 --> 00:09:19,499infection near my sinuses, you Iwent from wearing hearing aids16100:09:19,499 --> 00:09:20,969to not wearing hearing aids.16200:09:21,330 --> 00:09:23,790Dave Jones: That's the mostamazing thing to me that you can16300:09:23,790 --> 00:09:25,650do that you don't even need themanymore. So16400:09:25,650 --> 00:09:29,370Adam Curry: I went from 10 tosix on the headphones. And now16500:09:29,370 --> 00:09:33,270I'm from six to five. And again,it's only in the right ear16600:09:33,270 --> 00:09:37,200though, but it's improved. as isfor now.16700:09:37,830 --> 00:09:43,980Dave Jones: I saw an article theother day about oral infection16800:09:44,550 --> 00:09:48,720leads to this some new discoverythey've made that can lead to16900:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,800rheumatoid arthritis,17000:09:49,830 --> 00:09:51,690Adam Curry: all kinds ofhorrible things.17100:09:52,139 --> 00:09:54,329Dave Jones: I'm starting tothink that the firt the first17200:09:54,329 --> 00:09:56,819time you have a chronic disease,you don't go to the doctor you17300:09:56,819 --> 00:09:57,629go to the dentist or17400:09:57,630 --> 00:09:59,790Adam Curry: the dentists andhave a scan done and they can17500:09:59,790 --> 00:10:04,890see Get right there it's like a$200 scam you stand in this17600:10:04,890 --> 00:10:08,490thing turns around your headwhich is quite concerning17700:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,150disconcerting17800:10:10,050 --> 00:10:11,850Dave Jones: is blue is blue andX rays through there17900:10:12,449 --> 00:10:16,469Adam Curry: definitelydefinitely is and and they can18000:10:16,469 --> 00:10:19,409see it right away okay if yourinfection and then you know18100:10:19,439 --> 00:10:21,539there's a number of things youcan do but also your body is18200:10:21,539 --> 00:10:24,449always your body is continuouslyfighting infection it can slow18300:10:24,449 --> 00:10:27,269you down make you tired allkinds of stuff and I had this18400:10:27,269 --> 00:10:31,499for 10 years so anywayeverything's good. So there was18500:10:31,529 --> 00:10:36,269some swelling but what wasdifferent now is up where you18600:10:36,269 --> 00:10:42,059know my my cheekbones and rightby my nose and but now that only18700:10:42,059 --> 00:10:47,939lasted three days I missed oneno agenda and got through. So we18800:10:47,939 --> 00:10:51,569did it on Wednesday. I took offthat Thursday and did the Sunday18900:10:51,569 --> 00:10:54,269show and I got through okay, Igot I got a little dizzy19000:10:54,299 --> 00:10:59,579somewhere on the second hour.Got a little dizzy for a second19100:10:59,579 --> 00:11:04,289hold up. Now and so today I havemy post up and you know if all19200:11:04,289 --> 00:11:08,159has gone well then you know in acouple more months and then we19300:11:08,159 --> 00:11:09,929put in my my new teeth.19400:11:10,349 --> 00:11:12,539Dave Jones: It but that's easy,though. That's not a that's not19500:11:12,539 --> 00:11:13,799a procedure at19600:11:13,830 --> 00:11:17,520Adam Curry: this point. I don'tthink anything's easy. I'd Oh,19700:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,040that's the easiest part. Okay,we'll see. I19800:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,440Dave Jones: was just glue themto the post or something. I19900:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,850mean, I'll find20000:11:23,850 --> 00:11:25,920Adam Curry: out today I was waswondering about that. I mean,20100:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,270because you can't screw them20200:11:27,270 --> 00:11:31,470Dave Jones: in now because youcan't make their SNAP is like a20300:11:31,470 --> 00:11:31,830click,20400:11:31,860 --> 00:11:35,580Adam Curry: you know, again, ormaybe maybe you do put it I know20500:11:35,580 --> 00:11:37,980that just I'm sure there's somesecret sauce that I'll find out.20600:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,410Dave Jones: If they snap on youcan swap them out with different20700:11:40,410 --> 00:11:41,730stuff like you could put I have20800:11:41,730 --> 00:11:45,570Adam Curry: requested this. Irequested this technology just20900:11:45,570 --> 00:11:47,730so I could put it in a realgrill or something, you know,21000:11:47,790 --> 00:11:50,490Dave Jones: yeah, gold. I mean,you know, swapping it but21100:11:50,490 --> 00:11:50,700anyway,21200:11:50,700 --> 00:11:54,870Adam Curry: so, Mitch, he's He'sso good. Because he listened to21300:11:54,870 --> 00:11:57,420the shows too. He listened to noagenda. He listened to Korean21400:11:57,420 --> 00:12:00,660the keeper. He listened to thepodcast and 2.0 is like a little21500:12:00,660 --> 00:12:03,750beyond me. But he says thingsfunny to hear you guys. Yep. And21600:12:04,110 --> 00:12:08,070so he's very concerned about thesoliciting. And you said Okay,21700:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,890so right now your gums are stilla little swollen. So when that21800:12:10,890 --> 00:12:13,950goes down, then this listing ofstarts so he's pre ordering all21900:12:13,950 --> 00:12:17,310these temporary bridges to makesure that you know, snap this22000:12:17,310 --> 00:12:20,700one in in case you know, theswishing starts again. So he22100:12:20,700 --> 00:12:23,790really cares about he caresabout the show.22200:12:24,090 --> 00:12:29,220Dave Jones: So this will expandhis his user but his user base22300:12:29,220 --> 00:12:34,950his customer base to be. He willbe he will be the periodontist22400:12:34,980 --> 00:12:36,870to the podcast industry. Oh,well, I've22500:12:36,870 --> 00:12:40,290Adam Curry: already sent atleast 10 people to him. And I22600:12:40,290 --> 00:12:43,050have other dentists andperiodontists. Now saying22700:12:43,110 --> 00:12:46,320actually dentist more saying youknow, when someone comes to me,22800:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,600I'm just going to give them ascan just to see what else is22900:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,630going on with them. Because it'soh yeah, this is not well23000:12:51,630 --> 00:12:52,470discussed.23100:12:53,310 --> 00:12:55,410Dave Jones: Know this, I thinkthis is a burden. This is a23200:12:55,410 --> 00:12:58,020burgeoning area of research.23300:12:58,680 --> 00:13:03,270Adam Curry: So back to Stevenbell. He so in this two week23400:13:03,270 --> 00:13:08,250period we talked about, I kindof pitched the idea of how I23500:13:08,250 --> 00:13:13,410would like to do music andpodcasting where you know, when23600:13:13,410 --> 00:13:18,360I play a song, then the valueblock switches to the value23700:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,630block of the song whichpresumably would be uploaded to23800:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,770dystopia or wave lake or one ofthe other hosts and would be23900:13:25,770 --> 00:13:29,370submitted into the podcast indexand would have its own splits24000:13:31,140 --> 00:13:34,410and he did it he implemented heput it into sovereign feeds and24100:13:34,410 --> 00:13:37,200so if you'd like to participatein this test and I would like24200:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,210everyone to do that you don'thave to do it now you can go24300:13:39,210 --> 00:13:41,910back because we want to do it inlike just a minute from now.24400:13:42,930 --> 00:13:47,040Please try out curio caster andyou can use curio caster on the24500:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,400web on your phone. You don'thave to install an app you can24600:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,790connect your get Albie wallet toit's all very simple. And I24700:13:53,790 --> 00:13:59,310would like you to test it out.We're gonna play a song and when24800:13:59,340 --> 00:14:02,640this song plays now not in thelive version, although of course24900:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,590Stephen Bell says I'm working onthat too. Of course he is so it25000:14:07,590 --> 00:14:11,010won't work if you're listeninglive right now. But and even if25100:14:11,010 --> 00:14:13,740you are listening live go backlater and around 15 minutes25200:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,090check out check out the songWhat should happen and feel free25300:14:18,090 --> 00:14:22,260to boost give a boost to Grahamwhat should happen is 95% of all25400:14:22,260 --> 00:14:26,730of that of those streaming valuefor value payments will go to25500:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,150the remote item which in thiscase would be the song the25600:14:30,150 --> 00:14:36,030remote song to the splits in inthat value block. Did I make25700:14:36,030 --> 00:14:36,570that clear?25800:14:37,710 --> 00:14:39,720Dave Jones: I'd have no ideawhat you're talking about. So to25900:14:39,750 --> 00:14:45,270let you explain from explainfrom the beginning of what was26000:14:46,500 --> 00:14:50,100so if curious of curio casterI'm just trying to get my26100:14:50,100 --> 00:14:53,220bearings straight after I'vetried to I've tried to not keep26200:14:53,220 --> 00:14:55,830up with a logo and most of whaty'all are doing it's okay I can26300:14:55,860 --> 00:15:01,290come fresh. Okay, so So thissecure Rio Castro obviously eats26400:15:01,290 --> 00:15:05,880these tags. Yes, correct. And soit is going to understand what26500:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,990it's seeing when you play laterwhen later someone plays back26600:15:09,990 --> 00:15:16,200this episode. And it is going tobe in the feed, there's going to26700:15:16,200 --> 00:15:23,700be these new remote. That valuetime split tags correct. And so26800:15:24,150 --> 00:15:27,420the is what curio cast, to myunderstanding what curio caster26900:15:27,420 --> 00:15:31,710is going to be doing is gonna belooking for those timestamps to27000:15:31,710 --> 00:15:34,980start. And when that happens,27100:15:35,460 --> 00:15:38,580Adam Curry: yeah, when theplayer hits the timestamp, at27200:15:38,580 --> 00:15:41,580that point, anything that theplayer is sending in a payment,27300:15:41,580 --> 00:15:44,220whether it's a streaming perminute payment, or a booster27400:15:44,220 --> 00:15:50,310booster gram will now use adifferent value block, it'll use27500:15:50,310 --> 00:15:54,780the value block of that, ofthat, in this case, Song comm.27600:15:54,810 --> 00:15:58,830And it will actually just justto be super cool, it will27700:15:58,830 --> 00:16:03,390actually split that and give 95%to that value block, which will27800:16:03,390 --> 00:16:06,960then be split amongst its ownparameters. I don't know how27900:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,640many different splits are inthere. And then 5% stays with28000:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,110me, mainly because it's my show.And secondly, so I can also28100:16:16,110 --> 00:16:19,620track what the what people aresending, but I will only get 5%28200:16:19,620 --> 00:16:24,180and the end the 95% that wouldhave gone to my splits. Now go28300:16:24,540 --> 00:16:25,590to the remote item.28400:16:26,490 --> 00:16:31,800Dave Jones: Okay, so this nut, Igot you. So let me the value28500:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,050time split tags, let me justjump over here.28600:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,220Adam Curry: But just just tomake a simple whenever I play a28700:16:38,220 --> 00:16:41,220song on one of my podcasts nowthat song, of course has to be28800:16:41,220 --> 00:16:46,110known to podcast index, which iseasy to do. You know, you can28900:16:46,110 --> 00:16:50,580upload your album, whenever Iplay a song 95% of anything that29000:16:50,580 --> 00:16:53,400I would have normally receivedfrom people streaming or29100:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,610boosting or booster grams willnow go to the owner of the song29200:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,730and however they have theirsong, their their payments split29300:16:59,730 --> 00:17:00,060up.29400:17:01,560 --> 00:17:07,170Dave Jones: And this is this iseffectuated by a new, this new29500:17:07,170 --> 00:17:10,890value time split tag which goesinto the value block.29600:17:11,340 --> 00:17:13,290Adam Curry: I don't know whereit goes, I have no idea what it29700:17:13,290 --> 00:17:15,750does. But I'm a podcaster Idon't know what it's doing.29800:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,680Right. So I29900:17:18,899 --> 00:17:21,989Dave Jones: was doing okay, sothere was this value time split30000:17:21,989 --> 00:17:26,309tag is a new child item of thepodcast value. So it's sort of a30100:17:26,609 --> 00:17:30,929it's a sibling of valuerecipient. So it's in the value30200:17:30,929 --> 00:17:35,999tag. And then and then it has astart time parameter, an30300:17:35,999 --> 00:17:39,869attribute, a duration attributeand a remote percentage30400:17:40,049 --> 00:17:44,609attribute. Right. So that's setto so like it will say like at30500:17:44,609 --> 00:17:50,069start time, X number of seconds.Go get the remote, go get the30600:17:50,069 --> 00:17:53,699value block out of this otherfeed item this other feed30700:17:53,699 --> 00:17:58,979episode Yeah, suck it back in,begin using that for a duration30800:17:58,979 --> 00:18:03,749of 237 seconds. And then at theend of that duration period30900:18:04,019 --> 00:18:09,989flipped back to the standardvaluable Correct. Killer Is that31000:18:09,989 --> 00:18:11,909cool or what? Sweet.31100:18:12,330 --> 00:18:15,960Adam Curry: So So again, I'dlike everyone to make sure you31200:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,680have curio caster, you probablygot all that set. So when you31300:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,580hear this in in post production,and the as a whole tool set31400:18:23,580 --> 00:18:27,990forward and sovereign feeds, soI don't have to do a lot of work31500:18:27,990 --> 00:18:30,810and I don't have to copy thingsmanually. I just say okay.31600:18:33,270 --> 00:18:38,820Dave Jones: I'm sorry, but thisis gonna break so the most. This31700:18:38,820 --> 00:18:41,070is the most interesting thatwe've ever done.31800:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,000Adam Curry: I was thinking thesame thing like this will not31900:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,520work in any other podcasts thatI'm gonna have be looking at.32000:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,120I'm gonna be getting emails forweeks. Hey, man, dog catcher32100:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,130broke on your show, whateveryour32200:18:53,460 --> 00:18:55,230Dave Jones: dog catcher is gonnashut his pants.32300:18:57,210 --> 00:18:59,520Adam Curry: Alright, so I wasthinking, Who can we possibly32400:18:59,520 --> 00:19:06,210play that has has the musicmeet. So it also medium equals32500:19:06,210 --> 00:19:08,610music. So the whole set it'sofficial. You know, this32600:19:08,610 --> 00:19:11,550actually comes from wave Lake,who we had on the show just a32700:19:11,550 --> 00:19:13,860couple of weeks ago when we'vetalked like three weeks ago.32800:19:13,860 --> 00:19:18,390We're talking about this. Andit's Joe Martin. So Joe Martin32900:19:18,780 --> 00:19:21,630already got into the fountaintop 10 At some point because33000:19:21,630 --> 00:19:25,290people were just finding hismusic on fountain. So now yeah,33100:19:25,290 --> 00:19:28,500he's a pioneer. We want to youwant to use him as as the33200:19:28,500 --> 00:19:32,670pioneer scissor scissorexperiment. Now, he has a new33300:19:32,670 --> 00:19:38,850album out which is called Emptypassenger seat. Now, now Joe is33400:19:38,850 --> 00:19:43,410kind of a country guy. And likea lot of country songs and even33500:19:43,410 --> 00:19:48,180the kind of the title suggestsit is a lot of downer music.33600:19:49,560 --> 00:19:57,240Like yeah, I ran over my dog mygirlfriend's gone. He literally33700:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,180has a song and there were someguys begging for money. He's33800:20:00,180 --> 00:20:03,690like nah man I got no time foryou I got no money for you I33900:20:03,690 --> 00:20:06,540gotta go into my office he goesto the office he gets fired you34000:20:06,540 --> 00:20:10,710know and then so oh yeah it's soanyway there's there's a couple34100:20:10,710 --> 00:20:15,450songs on the album which are notdepressing. So I chose one and34200:20:15,540 --> 00:20:19,650so if all goes according to planby at this point now the value34300:20:19,650 --> 00:20:23,070block will have already switchedover and that means anything you34400:20:23,070 --> 00:20:26,250send in streaming payments or inbooster booster gram will go to34500:20:26,250 --> 00:20:29,760Joe Martin This is high gravitythe first running with scissors34600:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,380and podcasting 2.034700:20:58,500 --> 00:20:59,070Unknown: from34800:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,280through the34900:21:46,290 --> 00:21:46,860night35000:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,780a shout at us.35100:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,930Adam Curry: Joe Martin gravityhigh gravity keeps holding me35200:24:18,930 --> 00:24:22,890down here on podcasting 2.0 Ilove doing that for the first35300:24:22,890 --> 00:24:26,160time ever smash your champagnebottle please35400:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,690Dave Jones: So if what yeahwhat's gonna happen is you're35500:24:30,690 --> 00:24:33,720gonna be getting you're gonnaget a message a bunch of35600:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,730messages tonight was there noshow today35700:24:37,530 --> 00:24:39,600Adam Curry: didn't show up in myit doesn't show up in my35800:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,130podcast. What happened?35900:24:41,430 --> 00:24:45,150Dave Jones: Yeah, or or theother alternative is that you're36000:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,670everybody's gonna be fine upuntil the moment that the music36100:24:47,670 --> 00:24:49,470starts and then all the appscrash.36200:24:51,930 --> 00:24:54,120Adam Curry: Thank you very much,Steven B for putting that36300:24:54,120 --> 00:24:59,610together and I can't wait to seehow it works out. I mean this we36400:24:59,610 --> 00:25:02,190all agree This is what this showwas for running with scissors.36500:25:03,270 --> 00:25:05,940Dave Jones: This is this is ourtown records that we need36600:25:05,940 --> 00:25:09,090scissor insurance. Yeah, I agreewith him. Yeah, we totally do.36700:25:09,210 --> 00:25:11,670What so what and Tim, tell mewhat you just did, though. So36800:25:11,670 --> 00:25:17,880you in so in sovereign feeds,when you started the song, did36900:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,230you hit the sync button? Oh,37000:25:19,260 --> 00:25:23,880Adam Curry: no, no, I mean,that's. So Stephen B put37100:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,150together a whole system thatthis is how you do it. And like,37200:25:27,180 --> 00:25:30,120that's not how I'm going to doit. Because there's no way I37300:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,490mean, when I'm when I'm, whenI'm getting ready, I'm getting37400:25:32,490 --> 00:25:35,820ready to start the song. And Iwant to, you know, and I'm ready37500:25:35,820 --> 00:25:38,070to start, I'm not gonna behitting five buttons at the same37600:25:38,070 --> 00:25:41,820time. So it's a little extrawork for me with not much in37700:25:41,820 --> 00:25:46,590post, when I have everything setup. There's a tab in sovereign37800:25:46,590 --> 00:25:52,260feeds on second. And this toptab is value time split. And37900:25:52,260 --> 00:25:55,710then I'll go in and I'll lookfor empty passenger seat. And38000:25:55,710 --> 00:25:59,460then below, it'll, you can dopre production or post38100:25:59,460 --> 00:26:02,880production. And below, it'll,it'll show the link to Episode38200:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,250audio, which I'll have alreadyup there. Just before I publish,38300:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,280I've already uploaded the audio.And then there's a little player38400:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,050and I'll go to you know, was itabout 20 minutes or so. And then38500:26:13,050 --> 00:26:16,230the minute I hit that song,that's when I'll set a mark and38600:26:16,230 --> 00:26:19,320then and then that'llautomatically, if all goes well38700:26:19,410 --> 00:26:22,440put the value time split at thatspot, and then I'll go to the38800:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,980end. And then I'll click anotherbutton. And that's how it you38900:26:25,980 --> 00:26:28,140know, it's almost like doing achapter basically.39000:26:29,910 --> 00:26:33,270Dave Jones: Okay, so you, theway you would do that is you39100:26:33,270 --> 00:26:37,950would mark it in his Hindenburg.And then No, no, no, no,39200:26:37,950 --> 00:26:42,150Adam Curry: no, I there's alittle player. I just hit the39300:26:42,150 --> 00:26:43,770player in sovereign feeds.39400:26:45,540 --> 00:26:49,170Dave Jones: Oh, you're justlistening back. So you kind of39500:26:49,170 --> 00:26:52,140know where that Yeah. Okay, andI'm thinking of39600:26:52,710 --> 00:26:55,020Adam Curry: everyone was tryingto make it real easy. And it39700:26:55,020 --> 00:26:57,960makes it real hard. Because I'mWhat about39800:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,110Dave Jones: live though, whenthat happens, has that has39900:27:01,140 --> 00:27:02,190what's your workflow? I40000:27:02,190 --> 00:27:04,320Adam Curry: have no idea whatSteven B is going to do for40100:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,680that. Now, in that case, I canimagine I would have to hit that40200:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,130and hit something else. Whichwill suck, but we'll figure it40300:27:11,130 --> 00:27:15,630out. Doesn't matter. I mean, somaybe if it's as simple as Okay,40400:27:15,630 --> 00:27:18,900here's the three songs I'm goingto play in this episode, right?40500:27:19,410 --> 00:27:22,200And that little interface, and Istart the song and all I have to40600:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,760do I pre loaded the songs. Ijust hit a little button, and40700:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,940then it's good to go. And thatmight work. We'll figure it out.40800:27:30,360 --> 00:27:35,040Yeah, let's get this. Let'slet's break this part first. Oh,40900:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,860it's already broken. It'salready working break anything41000:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,500else. I'd like to bring ourguest in who has been patiently41100:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,260waiting and listening to allthis nonsense that we've been41200:27:43,260 --> 00:27:46,320spewing, but he is a guy wholives on the bleeding edge of41300:27:46,470 --> 00:27:50,700running with scissors himself.We love him. You know him from41400:27:50,970 --> 00:27:55,140the pod news weekly review. Youknow him from river radio. You41500:27:55,140 --> 00:27:56,970might know him from the army.You might know him from41600:27:56,970 --> 00:28:01,350Microsoft from Netscape. Youknow, maybe he's related to you.41700:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,380I don't know. But he's the CEO,pod fans, ladies and gentlemen,41800:28:04,410 --> 00:28:08,040say hello to Sam says, hey, hey,41900:28:08,460 --> 00:28:10,860Dave Jones: wow. My thirdcousin. Yeah.42000:28:11,670 --> 00:28:15,180Unknown: We're all Indians. Wereall related. Y'all42100:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,700Adam Curry: Brahmins all of you.We are. That's it?42200:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,160Unknown: That's it. Everythingis a little gene42300:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,660Dave Jones: oncology, that you Imean, yeah, you have a pod fans42400:28:24,660 --> 00:28:27,450is just one is basically justone huge pair of scissors,42500:28:27,450 --> 00:28:27,750right?42600:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,690Unknown: Oh, completely. I justlistened to your show. And then42700:28:30,690 --> 00:28:34,290I now have to go away and fixremote items. Thanks.42800:28:34,860 --> 00:28:38,100Adam Curry: Well, I will say,you know, I was listening to the42900:28:38,100 --> 00:28:41,880show last week, and all I heardwas, Oh, that's too hard. I'm43000:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,700not gonna do that. What curryWhat is he thinking about?43100:28:46,140 --> 00:28:49,140Unknown: Yeah, well, that'strue. I mean, literally, I've43200:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,860just listened to that. And I'mwith Dave. I mean, really? How's43300:28:52,860 --> 00:28:56,070that going to be implemented? Soover to Steven B. And then when43400:28:56,070 --> 00:28:58,590he's fixed it, I'll follow.Yeah, I think that's the best43500:28:58,590 --> 00:28:59,370way. Yeah.43600:28:59,429 --> 00:29:02,519Adam Curry: I mean, I also haveno idea how he makes all this43700:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,739work. And we're just gonnapresume that it did work at43800:29:04,739 --> 00:29:10,769least Securio Kassar and we'llsee how that went. But Sam, it's43900:29:10,769 --> 00:29:13,079so nice to have you on that. Wehave lots of talk about44000:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,289particularly about pod fans. Ido want everyone to know that.44100:29:17,219 --> 00:29:21,419Sam has a lot of depth. So Sam,and I didn't realize I just44200:29:21,419 --> 00:29:25,649sighs me I was shallow Indiandude. But when when I heard you44300:29:25,649 --> 00:29:31,049on mere mortals podcast wasKyron. To you got quite a life.44400:29:31,409 --> 00:29:32,969You've been around?44500:29:33,570 --> 00:29:36,540Unknown: Well, I mean, I'm thesame age as you, Adam. And you44600:29:36,540 --> 00:29:39,570know, you know, we've had a lifeHaven't we both of us?44700:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,000Adam Curry: Yeah. No, youstarted in the army, I believe.44800:29:42,630 --> 00:29:43,500Yeah, I44900:29:43,530 --> 00:29:46,260Unknown: straight out of schoolwent into Sandhurst, which is45000:29:46,260 --> 00:29:48,960the Military Academy, I supposethe equivalent of West Point.45100:29:49,020 --> 00:29:51,990And yeah, I did that because Ididn't really know what else to45200:29:51,990 --> 00:29:55,530do. I like just running. I waslike the Forrest Gump of life45300:29:55,530 --> 00:29:57,810and I just ran around fields andjumping out of planes. That's45400:29:57,810 --> 00:29:58,200what I did.45500:29:58,230 --> 00:30:00,000Adam Curry: Did you do actualparachuting and stuff?45600:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,560Dave Jones: we'd be able to talkabout. So45700:35:01,650 --> 00:35:04,890Adam Curry: beyond the bullshitSam edit, I heard as an edit45800:35:04,890 --> 00:35:08,850right there. What did he say?What did he say that got taken45900:35:08,850 --> 00:35:09,270out?46000:35:09,539 --> 00:35:12,599Unknown: He said, I can't calltoday do this. Yeah, they don't46100:35:12,599 --> 00:35:17,159not gonna do value for value atall. They will never do because46200:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,939it destroys their currentbusiness is the innovators46300:35:20,939 --> 00:35:25,109dilemma, they currently have anadvertising play. That's all46400:35:25,109 --> 00:35:27,959they're focused on, they willnever support value for value46500:35:28,020 --> 00:35:30,360Adam Curry: in and that is, andthat leads into my second clip,46600:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,440which is not a question but justI just felt, actually I felt bad46700:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,920for for Chris, because I knowhe's a technology guy. And I46800:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,920kind of feel bad for us. Becausewhen we when you ask about some46900:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,450of the some of the basic tagsthat we've been that we've had47000:35:45,450 --> 00:35:50,400implemented for, you know, twoyears now, they really can't do47100:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,320them. It's 40 seconds. So I'lljust play this,47200:35:52,349 --> 00:35:55,649Dave Jones: I mentioned thetranscript tag being difficult47300:35:55,649 --> 00:35:59,819to implement in RSS feeds.Another example is chapters47400:35:59,819 --> 00:36:04,589where we do support 83 V twochapters with dynamic audio. But47500:36:04,769 --> 00:36:08,279it would be impossible for us toimplement that at the feed47600:36:08,279 --> 00:36:10,949level, because we don't have anyidea at the time that the feed47700:36:10,949 --> 00:36:13,799is generated, where thosetimestamps are going to be.47800:36:14,129 --> 00:36:18,839Right. So I think that input cancome later. From my perspective.47900:36:19,139 --> 00:36:21,629I don't know if that answersyour question. But we're48000:36:21,629 --> 00:36:25,259excited. Like we are absolutelywatching and aware of the work48100:36:25,259 --> 00:36:28,739that's going on, it's moving ata pace that I think is really48200:36:28,739 --> 00:36:31,109exciting. And I don't want toslow it.48300:36:32,460 --> 00:36:34,980Adam Curry: So I'm bummed outabout that, you know, so because48400:36:34,980 --> 00:36:37,560here's advertising, screwingeverything up. And it's48500:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,050literally because of thedynamically inserted ads that48600:36:40,050 --> 00:36:43,890they and their system, I guess,that they can't do this is a48700:36:43,890 --> 00:36:44,580bummer.48800:36:45,449 --> 00:36:47,789Unknown: Well, I mean, theyshould talk to Buzzsprout.48900:36:47,789 --> 00:36:50,099Really, because Buzzsprout havemanaged to do dynamic ad49000:36:50,099 --> 00:36:54,629insertion and also get chapterYeah, working? Yeah. It's49100:36:54,629 --> 00:36:57,089technically possible. They justaren't doing it. And I don't49200:36:57,089 --> 00:36:58,439know why they're not doing well.49300:37:00,150 --> 00:37:03,210Dave Jones: I think I understandwhy, as I think I understand why49400:37:03,210 --> 00:37:07,380it's because the most ofBuzzsprout did it in house.49500:37:07,470 --> 00:37:10,740Yeah, they did it in house theyhad they get to design it the49600:37:10,740 --> 00:37:13,620way they exactly the way that itneeded to be in order for49700:37:13,620 --> 00:37:16,800everything to work correctly.All their all their dynamic ad49800:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,990insertion happens on their ownsystem. And then but most of49900:37:21,990 --> 00:37:25,350these other hosting companiesthat are doing Dai, they50000:37:25,350 --> 00:37:29,250outsource that to a third party.So they just send the audio to50100:37:29,250 --> 00:37:32,910the third party has the DI putin in in their site, and then50200:37:32,910 --> 00:37:34,500they and then they get it back.50300:37:34,739 --> 00:37:37,979Unknown: So I mean, a cos bigenough to do it in house say,50400:37:38,130 --> 00:37:40,380Dave Jones: Oh, they're totallythey're totally and but here's50500:37:40,410 --> 00:37:42,480here's where the here's wherethe rubber meets the road,50600:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,530though I think it's not, it'snot that they can't work with or50700:37:46,530 --> 00:37:51,780third party is that I think theDI the cost of di the margin is50800:37:51,780 --> 00:37:55,890so thin on it. They don't wantthey want to spend as little50900:37:55,890 --> 00:37:59,280time as they want this thingbuilt and done so that they51000:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,640don't ever have to see it again.The more time they spend51100:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,940tweaking this and making it workbetter. They lose money.51200:38:06,329 --> 00:38:09,029Adam Curry: Yeah, I agree. Andalso, I learned on that same51300:38:09,029 --> 00:38:13,139episode of which was this week'sepisode of pod news weekly51400:38:13,139 --> 00:38:17,339review. I learned YouTubepodcast is a flop Well, duh. But51500:38:17,339 --> 00:38:21,209I also learned that programmaticads are basically inferior to51600:38:21,209 --> 00:38:24,449host read ads, and there's nomoney is sucks. There's no51700:38:24,449 --> 00:38:27,029margin and everyone's movingaway from it51800:38:27,750 --> 00:38:31,080Unknown: completely. Look, weall three and everyone else51900:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,380who's listening know that thisis just a time sink between52000:38:34,710 --> 00:38:39,150programmatic ads and advertisingjust being removed. I often say,52100:38:39,180 --> 00:38:41,280you know, if you had Dark Sideof the Moon, you wouldn't52200:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,770suddenly have an ad halfwaythrough Pink Floyd.52300:38:48,270 --> 00:38:52,080Adam Curry: It would be veryfunny. To go more flipping out52400:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,450over that. Yeah, exactly. Andwhile you're a fan of the I'm52500:38:57,450 --> 00:38:58,230sorry, Dave, go ahead.52600:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,739Dave Jones: No, I was just gonnasay that. I think the way that52700:39:01,739 --> 00:39:05,159you phrase that is right. Ithink this is like a, we're in a52800:39:05,159 --> 00:39:12,089strange Limbo zone. I think whatultimately happens is Alvin52900:39:12,089 --> 00:39:15,059Brooks sent me an email thisthis week, and he said, Hey, I53000:39:15,059 --> 00:39:17,879just wanted to draw yourattention to this boost we got.53100:39:18,299 --> 00:39:23,009And so I went and listened tothat clip on the bus cast. And53200:39:23,459 --> 00:39:27,749it was this podcaster hadwritten into them and said,53300:39:27,780 --> 00:39:30,930Unknown: hey, you know, amazing,wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. She said,53400:39:31,260 --> 00:39:34,740Dave Jones: I just wish mybiggest regret is I wish I had53500:39:34,740 --> 00:39:38,820done subscriptions earlier, sothat I could start getting53600:39:38,820 --> 00:39:44,850money, value for value thinggoing earlier with my audience53700:39:44,850 --> 00:39:48,780so that I was not so dependenton advertising. And I think that53800:39:48,780 --> 00:39:51,300that's that's really whatultimately this comes down to is53900:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,420where we're going. This is aninterim period, where54000:39:54,420 --> 00:39:58,950advertising still sort of, youknow, still pays the bills for54100:39:58,950 --> 00:40:03,990the top one. percent or less ofpodcasting, but ultimately these54200:40:03,990 --> 00:40:07,860smaller niche markets, nichemarket podcasts, they're just54300:40:07,860 --> 00:40:11,340going to, I mean, like this one,this is as bad as niche as you54400:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,750could possibly get this is, thisis three levels of niche. And54500:40:15,750 --> 00:40:20,580you have those people startingout those types of podcasts, I54600:40:20,580 --> 00:40:24,060think from they're just going togo to a value for value or54700:40:24,060 --> 00:40:29,130subscription or some direct toaudience support from day one. I54800:40:29,130 --> 00:40:32,340mean, I just I think, I thinkthe whole the term podcast54900:40:32,340 --> 00:40:35,700industrial complex is soaccurate on so many levels.55000:40:36,270 --> 00:40:41,040Because it it really is there'sthis entire thing out there that55100:40:41,100 --> 00:40:47,190is working on advertising. Andthen there's the other 98% of55200:40:47,250 --> 00:40:50,430podcasting. That's just notapplicable,55300:40:50,489 --> 00:40:54,689Adam Curry: did you? Since youbrought it up, we put the the55400:40:54,689 --> 00:40:58,049adjustment to value for VAT, thevalue block width equals auto55500:40:58,079 --> 00:41:03,689for for the periodic payments.Have we put that in yet?55600:41:04,289 --> 00:41:09,239Dave Jones: Yep. So I made threeI made three tweaks to the to55700:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,919the to V Spec this past week,two weeks of lost track of time55800:41:13,919 --> 00:41:20,519says we missed a show. Yeah.Yeah. So there's now an auto. So55900:41:20,519 --> 00:41:24,719yes, Stream Boost in auto. And Iwant to clarify on the auto says56000:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,309this, this is applicable to podfans, all this stuff is going to56100:41:29,309 --> 00:41:33,359clarify on the auto, you know,so take a take an app like pod56200:41:33,359 --> 00:41:36,899fans, it's well, it's it's aprogressive, it's a progressive56300:41:36,899 --> 00:41:40,409web app rights and yep, correct.Okay, yeah. So so you're gonna56400:41:40,409 --> 00:41:43,889have it's essentially a webexperience. So you're not going56500:41:43,889 --> 00:41:48,359to have a bag of backgroundprocess that's able to run,56600:41:48,779 --> 00:41:51,629perhaps you will, if you have aservice worker on and it's56700:41:51,629 --> 00:41:55,019installed as a PWA on a mobiledevice, but that's going to be56800:41:55,229 --> 00:42:00,269heavily restricted by though sit regardless. So your take your56900:42:00,269 --> 00:42:03,089baseline level of something,just you're going to the website57000:42:03,089 --> 00:42:10,439to, to play with POD fans, ifyou set up an auto, so this,57100:42:10,469 --> 00:42:14,129this is in the payment, if yousay okay, I want to support.57200:42:14,369 --> 00:42:17,309Essentially, this is asubscription. I want to support57300:42:17,609 --> 00:42:25,079pod news weekly review with20,000 20,000 SATs a month. And57400:42:26,669 --> 00:42:31,409so the app at that point saysokay, every, whatever day of the57500:42:31,409 --> 00:42:35,339month, fifth day for the 15th ofeach month, I'm going to send57600:42:35,639 --> 00:42:42,44920,000 SAS to pod news weeklyreview. Well, that in an ideal57700:42:42,449 --> 00:42:47,189environment, that would be sentautomatically in the background57800:42:47,999 --> 00:42:51,629for an app like pod fans, orPOF, as you know, actually may57900:42:51,629 --> 00:42:54,269not be the best exam becausey'all do have a back end. So58000:42:54,269 --> 00:42:56,849take something that doesn't havea back end. That's just purely58100:42:57,329 --> 00:42:59,669like cast thematic, that's abetter example. Cast thematic58200:43:00,089 --> 00:43:04,589cosmetic has no back end, everyinstalled app is its own island.58300:43:05,069 --> 00:43:10,889So in that regard, Casta medicsnot going to be able to sort of58400:43:11,489 --> 00:43:17,099reliably wake up in send apayment, it might be able to,58500:43:17,099 --> 00:43:21,719but you can't depend on it. Soreally, the spec is it's auto,58600:43:22,439 --> 00:43:27,509but it allows flexibility for tobasically just say, hey, app, do58700:43:27,509 --> 00:43:31,289the best you can to send thispayment on this time. So you58800:43:31,289 --> 00:43:34,709know, if if it ends up that youcan't send it until just the58900:43:34,709 --> 00:43:37,829next time the app is open,that's fine. Just do the math59000:43:37,829 --> 00:43:42,539and send it but you just want tosend it as often as you can. So59100:43:43,049 --> 00:43:45,749I wanted to make sure thatpeople understood that that auto59200:43:46,469 --> 00:43:51,299payment is not, it's not somesort of some sort of required59300:43:51,299 --> 00:43:54,839thing where you have to send itat any exact point in time. It's59400:43:54,839 --> 00:43:56,399more like the streaming spec.59500:43:56,429 --> 00:43:58,559Adam Curry: Yeah, so it's likeeverything we do, it might might59600:43:58,559 --> 00:43:59,189not work.59700:43:59,670 --> 00:44:05,490Dave Jones: It might. It's, it'smaybe not that squishy. But it's59800:44:05,490 --> 00:44:09,690more like, you know how with thestreaming thing, if you get in59900:44:09,690 --> 00:44:13,350the elevator and you loseconnection, the app will just60000:44:13,350 --> 00:44:16,170stack the payments up, right?And the next time that it gets a60100:44:16,170 --> 00:44:19,650connection, that's that's thissort of thing. Does that make60200:44:19,650 --> 00:44:19,950sense?60300:44:19,949 --> 00:44:24,569Adam Curry: Yeah. And so thankyou. Has everyone implemented it60400:44:24,569 --> 00:44:25,049yet?60500:44:26,940 --> 00:44:33,060Unknown: Can I can I change thatslightly we have. So we've done60600:44:33,060 --> 00:44:35,970it slightly differently. So youknow, I've sent you emails in60700:44:35,970 --> 00:44:39,960the background, and we valueevery show in every episode,60800:44:40,230 --> 00:44:44,280with a default 100 SATs perminute streaming until the host60900:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,820claims it when they claim itthey can change that value, but61000:44:47,820 --> 00:44:50,220let's assume they haven'tclaimed it so we create virtual61100:44:50,220 --> 00:44:54,480wallets. Now we've created theability that when you become a61200:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,740fan important, which is justbasically subscribe, you in your61300:44:58,740 --> 00:45:01,440settings have an option you caninstead of a budget of, I'm61400:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,350going to only spend 100,000 SATsthis month. That's all I want to61500:45:04,350 --> 00:45:07,800spend on my listening. But youcan flick a switch between61600:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,700streaming and supported. Andwhen you click it to support it61700:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,560any time any show that you'vebecome a fan of the drops in new61800:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,820episode, we will automaticallypay the value of that full61900:45:20,820 --> 00:45:22,770episode to the host.62000:45:23,460 --> 00:45:26,430Adam Curry: I love this stuff. Ithink that you know, all of that62100:45:26,430 --> 00:45:29,670is good. But you're you're doinga whole you're got you've gone62200:45:29,670 --> 00:45:33,450way beyond what anyone's evermaybe should backup and explain62300:45:33,450 --> 00:45:36,990what you're doing. Because youhave a totally different model62400:45:37,020 --> 00:45:38,520using the same elements.62500:45:39,330 --> 00:45:43,020Unknown: Yeah, so we've takenwhat you guys have given us,62600:45:43,020 --> 00:45:45,900which has value for value. Andwe've said, Look, we fully62700:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,800support that. So we've got threelevels. So we said, look, every62800:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,240show that we ingest into ourcurated database has to have a62900:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,750default value. And that defaultvalue is 100 minutes set by me.63000:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,160And I can change that if I wantyou and Dave could claim63100:46:02,460 --> 00:46:06,600podcasting index to Dotto, andyou could go in and you can set63200:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,780your own value for whatever youwant. That's great. And you set63300:46:09,780 --> 00:46:14,880it to 201,010 sets per minute,whatever you want to do. The63400:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,990user at the end still has thatfinal say so they can go in and63500:46:18,990 --> 00:46:22,710they can say I love what Adamand Dave have set as a value.63600:46:22,710 --> 00:46:26,160But I'm going to change that tohigher or lower or zero even63700:46:26,370 --> 00:46:29,670they can say I don't want to payyou anything. So you've got that63800:46:29,670 --> 00:46:34,620full flexibility. But as I said,with supported, it's the ability63900:46:34,620 --> 00:46:38,190for the user to go into theirown profile and say, Look, I64000:46:38,190 --> 00:46:42,420want to actually pay whateverDavid Adams set as the value and64100:46:42,420 --> 00:46:46,500the way we work out that value.Is it 100 SATs per minute times64200:46:46,500 --> 00:46:49,680the time now with this live showthat we're looking we're64300:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,670currently on now. You Adam haveset the time for two hours.64400:46:53,940 --> 00:46:57,930Yeah, we know that in the littag, it's two hours, times 10064500:46:57,930 --> 00:47:00,600sites per minute. So I'mliterally looking at pod vana as64600:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,690I'm playing it in the backgroundand streaming it. And I'm seeing64700:47:03,690 --> 00:47:08,100the value dropping as I listenedin live, because I'm I'm64800:47:08,100 --> 00:47:12,810consuming right so I've consumed39 minutes so far. And I'm64900:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,380literally going through it. Nowif I set that to support it,65000:47:16,410 --> 00:47:19,950what would happen would be itwould say Adams set that for two65100:47:19,950 --> 00:47:24,660hours times the time, right? Paythat full 12,000 SATs straight65200:47:24,660 --> 00:47:28,050out the bat, I wouldn't evenhave to worry about it. And then65300:47:28,050 --> 00:47:31,860the value that I'm got in frontof me on my dashboard is set to65400:47:31,860 --> 00:47:35,940zero as a user, because I'vealready paid that shows. Oh,65500:47:35,940 --> 00:47:39,480okay, interesting. So, and thenwhen I replay it, I don't pay65600:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,260again, is set to zero. So I'veI've consumed the value by65700:47:43,260 --> 00:47:46,860saying yeah, Adam, Dave, I loveyou. And if I didn't even listen65800:47:46,860 --> 00:47:49,260to the show, I've paid for it.But if I do then want to go back65900:47:49,260 --> 00:47:51,870and listen to it. Guess what?I've already paid or just66000:47:51,870 --> 00:47:52,680listened for zero.66100:47:53,789 --> 00:47:56,129Dave Jones: Okay, so that'syeah, that is a different take.66200:47:56,129 --> 00:48:00,659So you instead of saying I'mgonna support, that's an EP,66300:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,769that's like a call. That's likean Yeah, and like an output66400:48:04,799 --> 00:48:09,269based based payment where you'resaying, I'm going to support66500:48:09,269 --> 00:48:11,519you. But I'm only going tosupport you when you give me66600:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,879content. Like yeah, when youevaluate Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm66700:48:14,879 --> 00:48:20,069not gonna say I'm not just gonnasend you payments, regardless of66800:48:20,099 --> 00:48:24,389the time of what you put out, orif you go on hiatus for six66900:48:24,419 --> 00:48:28,409months, I've got to go rememberto unsubscribe, I can just, I'm67000:48:28,409 --> 00:48:33,179just gonna say okay, every timeI listen to you guys, um, you67100:48:33,179 --> 00:48:38,189know, I'm willing to give you 20bucks or 10 bucks. You can say,67200:48:38,189 --> 00:48:40,379Okay, well, what is that inSATs? Well, then I'm just going67300:48:40,379 --> 00:48:42,869to put that every time anepisode drops, boom, you get it?67400:48:43,349 --> 00:48:45,389Yeah, that's an interestingidea. I like that. Yeah.67500:48:46,590 --> 00:48:51,750Adam Curry: So. So where are youat now? Exactly. With pod fans,67600:48:51,750 --> 00:48:55,230because you've you've announcedpod fans a lot of times. Yep.67700:48:55,350 --> 00:49:01,770And I tried to claim Well, I hadI tried to log in and something67800:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,680went wrong. You said no, no,we're resetting that. So just67900:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,320tell me where you're at, becauseI kind of want to play around68000:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,680with it.68100:49:08,699 --> 00:49:13,019Unknown: So what we've we didthis week was we've put a68200:49:13,049 --> 00:49:18,989complete onboarding gamificationhelp system. So we realize that68300:49:18,989 --> 00:49:21,239what we've developed issomething quite complex to the68400:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,629average user. So you land on it,and it's like, shit, where do I68500:49:24,629 --> 00:49:28,559go? How do I get to whatever Iwant to do? So what we've done68600:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,559is because we've got agamification in the system68700:49:31,559 --> 00:49:36,479anyway, every screen you landon, so you, like login, claim68800:49:36,479 --> 00:49:40,559your wallet. Guess what? You'veearned a couple of 1000 SATs now68900:49:40,589 --> 00:49:43,499do these three tasks, you answermore on every page you go to.69000:49:43,949 --> 00:49:47,039It's there simply to teach youwhat's on that page and how to69100:49:47,039 --> 00:49:51,359use it while earning SATs. So Iwas hoping today to catch you69200:49:51,359 --> 00:49:55,259before the show and actually getyou both to claim your show. And69300:49:55,259 --> 00:49:57,119then you would have seen it foryourself.69400:49:57,510 --> 00:50:02,910Adam Curry: We're way, way toobusy. Yeah. We have much bigger69500:50:02,910 --> 00:50:04,050meetings going on.69600:50:05,309 --> 00:50:08,339Unknown: But to answer yourquestion that and directly Yeah,69700:50:08,369 --> 00:50:15,029we are ready as of Monday to golive. We are fully baked. So we69800:50:15,029 --> 00:50:18,779added ice to coffee to coolfuture features this week that69900:50:18,779 --> 00:50:23,909you might love. One is COlistening. And this is, again70000:50:23,909 --> 00:50:27,749with live is going to bebrilliant. So what happens is, I70100:50:27,749 --> 00:50:30,899might if when Adam and Davejoin, I might look at Adams70200:50:30,899 --> 00:50:35,009profile, it says he's listeningto the podcast in Tudor Osho. I70300:50:35,009 --> 00:50:37,799click on a button right next towhat it says he's listened to.70400:50:37,799 --> 00:50:39,779And I jumped to exactly the sametime.70500:50:41,460 --> 00:50:43,050Adam Curry: Yeah, partylistening. Sure.70600:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,950Unknown: And then on the episodepage, it then shows my avatar70700:50:46,980 --> 00:50:50,700appear next to your avatar. Soyou then suddenly see that I've70800:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,850just joined with you. And we'relistening at the same point. And70900:50:53,850 --> 00:50:56,040then we could start boostingtogether we start commenting, we71000:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,500have a threaded conversation,whatever we want to do. I think71100:50:58,500 --> 00:50:59,250that's illegal in71200:50:59,250 --> 00:51:01,350Adam Curry: America boosting, Ithink71300:51:03,780 --> 00:51:05,490Dave Jones: only in Utah, some71400:51:05,489 --> 00:51:08,699Unknown: laws against that. Sothat was one of the things we71500:51:08,699 --> 00:51:12,269added this week. And then theother one was on the homepage.71600:51:12,269 --> 00:51:16,229We've now we had defaultcarousel. So in your mind, if71700:51:16,229 --> 00:51:20,219you think of Netflix and thesecarousels of podcasts or films71800:51:20,249 --> 00:51:23,429Netflix case, they were allstatic in the sense that we71900:51:23,429 --> 00:51:26,519would only we would pre programwhat you were looking at in a72000:51:26,519 --> 00:51:30,749carousel so it might be recentlyadded new. Then the five top72100:51:30,749 --> 00:51:35,249Apple categories like comedy,thriller, whatever. So now in72200:51:35,249 --> 00:51:38,009your settings, you can go andchoose any category you like.72300:51:38,009 --> 00:51:41,009And then the homepage justconverts to that category for72400:51:41,009 --> 00:51:41,999whatever you wanted to look at.72500:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,570Adam Curry: And what is the URLSam for everybody?72600:51:46,619 --> 00:51:48,389Unknown: Pod fans.fm72700:51:48,929 --> 00:51:53,429Adam Curry: Die expensive.swanky. We can't We can't afford72800:51:53,429 --> 00:51:56,459the dot FM's man, those thingsare expensive. What a racket72900:51:56,459 --> 00:52:02,309that guy's got going on. Somedude who's in the radio73000:52:02,309 --> 00:52:05,369business, he was really smart.And it's like, it's really it's73100:52:05,369 --> 00:52:08,489literally like a couple 100bucks a year, I think, isn't it?73200:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,559Dave Jones: That much. It's like10073300:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,009Unknown: bucks. And you rememberwhen we had a long conversation73400:52:14,009 --> 00:52:14,459last year73500:52:14,489 --> 00:52:16,649Adam Curry: about doing this?Yeah, about doing this73600:52:17,219 --> 00:52:19,079Unknown: dot pod fat podcast,73700:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,780Adam Curry: where we talkedabout about doing that. And then73800:52:21,780 --> 00:52:24,870it turns out, you know, you gotto have several million dollars73900:52:24,870 --> 00:52:27,840to show that you're serious. Andyou got to be up to set all this74000:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,520stuff up like and Exactly. Andyou know, do we really want to74100:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,910make that our business? Success?It sounds boring.74200:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,800Dave Jones: So the let me throwthis. I'm trying to find stuff74300:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,010that you have not because you'reyou're basically you're the74400:52:44,010 --> 00:52:48,960you're this, you're the Steven Bof A pod fans, because you're as74500:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,470soon as we74600:52:49,469 --> 00:52:52,589Adam Curry: wait, wait, wait,listen to this. Dave, stop. What74700:52:52,739 --> 00:52:56,219I'm looking at the homepage.were quoted on this thing.74800:52:56,489 --> 00:52:59,039Unknown: Yeah, you Oh, good.Well, I've74900:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,930Adam Curry: heard Dave Jones thepod sage podcast index ready.75000:53:03,930 --> 00:53:06,630Want to hear what you said. NowI want to I don't remember what75100:53:06,630 --> 00:53:10,620I said. I was blown away when Iaway. I was blown away when I75200:53:10,620 --> 00:53:14,880saw the pod fans for the podfans for the first time. It75300:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,520literally had every featurewe've been working on for two75400:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,850years wrapped up into abeautiful, beautifully done UI.75500:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,110I can't wait to see it hit themarket. Nice to say that. All75600:53:25,110 --> 00:53:28,170right. Let me see what I said.Adam curry the pod father75700:53:28,170 --> 00:53:31,890podcast index, pod fans bringstogether the most exciting75800:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,670elements of podcasting 2.0 andgamifies. The V four v Community75900:53:35,670 --> 00:53:38,640System, I could not have wishedfor a better experience for this76000:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,060next generation of podcastexperiences.76100:53:42,929 --> 00:53:44,519Dave Jones: We sound good I wantyou to do76200:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,789Adam Curry: really good on this.All right.76300:53:48,119 --> 00:53:49,709Dave Jones: It's like I have acopy editors.76400:53:51,179 --> 00:53:53,519Unknown: Can I say it didn't gothrough chat GBT that was76500:53:55,050 --> 00:53:58,890Adam Curry: but oh man. Did youguys hear? Do you hear new media76600:53:58,890 --> 00:54:01,530show that on Wednesday? OrThursday?76700:54:02,309 --> 00:54:04,229Unknown: I haven't had thatdoing an AI test out like76800:54:04,260 --> 00:54:08,700Adam Curry: I just want to. SoTodd, I love Todd Cochran for76900:54:08,700 --> 00:54:13,050this. He's like, somehow we I'mgonna get chat GPT two word for77000:54:13,050 --> 00:54:16,500podcasting come hell or highwater. And he's literally like,77100:54:16,530 --> 00:54:20,820now if we could just have athing that sets a marker so that77200:54:20,820 --> 00:54:23,610the chat GPT will know thatthat's where you summarize a77300:54:23,610 --> 00:54:27,000chapter I'm like, taught it'ssupposed to be artificial77400:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,360intelligence that you shouldn'thave to be setting chapter77500:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,830markers and little blips in thething or or being Hindenburg or77600:54:34,830 --> 00:54:38,760road caster so that Chad GPTknows it should know how to do77700:54:38,760 --> 00:54:46,110that. It can't because it'sbullshit. Chad, Dred Scott, you77800:54:46,110 --> 00:54:48,960know, he's our intelligence guywas77900:54:49,739 --> 00:54:50,939Dave Jones: not a knowledgemodel.78000:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,060Adam Curry: Exactly. He youknow, we have a human being78100:54:54,060 --> 00:54:59,190doing this with great pleasure.We pay him 5% of all he has a78200:54:59,190 --> 00:55:02,370split for five bucks. I have allmy podcasts. And that's a78300:55:02,370 --> 00:55:06,060beautiful system. People aretrying to shoehorn Chad GPT into78400:55:06,060 --> 00:55:08,490everything and it's soinappropriate.78500:55:10,769 --> 00:55:12,239Dave Jones: And just wait forthe whole thing and wait for78600:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,499this whole large language modelthing to just fall apart and go78700:55:16,499 --> 00:55:17,459away even saying78800:55:17,459 --> 00:55:18,869Adam Curry: large languagemodel.78900:55:19,439 --> 00:55:21,509Dave Jones: That's all becausethat's all it is. That's what it79000:55:21,509 --> 00:55:24,449is Google barf. That's all itis. It's just it's just a79100:55:24,449 --> 00:55:26,999language model it like itdoesn't people are trying to use79200:55:26,999 --> 00:55:33,389it for for things that is itonly understands. I hate even79300:55:33,389 --> 00:55:37,289using the term understands. Isay, thank you. It's only79400:55:37,799 --> 00:55:42,479capable of manipulatinglanguage. That's what it's79500:55:42,479 --> 00:55:48,329created for it. We I think Idon't blame people because we as79600:55:48,329 --> 00:55:51,719humans want to anthropomorphizeeverything. I just did it. I79700:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,199just said understand. Yeah,yeah, we can. That's the way79800:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,169we'll Yeah, that's the way wefunction that's like our basic,79900:55:58,319 --> 00:56:03,719some of our most basic wiring isto do that. Yeah. And but that80000:56:03,989 --> 00:56:07,319it's, if you step back for asecond, this is, this is a80100:56:07,319 --> 00:56:13,589language manipulation system.That's what it does it, it80200:56:13,619 --> 00:56:17,789parses language, and it puts outand it outputs language.80300:56:18,269 --> 00:56:22,049Anything else that you attributeto this thing? is not possible.80400:56:22,199 --> 00:56:26,669Anything that you can't expressclearly with language isn't80500:56:26,669 --> 00:56:31,439possible. And so much of this islike, where where you're going80600:56:31,439 --> 00:56:35,549to insert something? I don'tknow. I mean, you just you just80700:56:35,549 --> 00:56:38,729go do I mean, where you're gonnahave to go put the, you're gonna80800:56:38,729 --> 00:56:41,729have to go put the marker backin for, for when the music80900:56:41,729 --> 00:56:44,159starts? Well, we've alreadyadmitted me and Alex already81000:56:44,159 --> 00:56:48,479tried to AI a bunch of music outof the index. And the success81100:56:48,479 --> 00:56:53,759rate was low, low. It wastotally 5050. So and that's not81200:56:53,759 --> 00:56:57,449language, chat. GPT is not goingto do it. Just the whole thing.81300:56:57,779 --> 00:56:59,069And the other thing is annoying.So I81400:56:59,070 --> 00:57:00,990Adam Curry: didn't mean i Yes, Ididn't mean to spin you up. I'm81500:57:00,990 --> 00:57:04,080sorry, Sam, what is the claim?You're off? I want to claim it.81600:57:05,159 --> 00:57:08,249Unknown: So interestingconversation.81700:57:10,530 --> 00:57:11,940Adam Curry: Can I revise myquote,81800:57:14,550 --> 00:57:17,190Unknown: works today. So you goin the claim, you click it, and81900:57:17,190 --> 00:57:20,880it will look at your email inthe RSS, and it will then do a82000:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,700conversation with you based onemail. So verifying your email.82100:57:24,060 --> 00:57:26,700And of course, we now know, ofcourse, we podcast TX, T,82200:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,670everyone's taking out theiremails for Tom Rossi. And I've82300:57:29,670 --> 00:57:34,350been working on an O auth.solution. We tested it last82400:57:34,350 --> 00:57:39,120week. So the idea is that youclick a claim. So in the podcast82500:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,630RSS we're proposing, I think youmay have seen this in the82600:57:42,630 --> 00:57:46,050GitHub, that there's a whetherit's going to be called podcast,82700:57:46,050 --> 00:57:49,230verify or authorize or somethingno one knows right now, but82800:57:49,260 --> 00:57:52,680there'll be a tag. Butfundamentally Buzzsprout, or the82900:57:52,680 --> 00:57:58,080RSS provider will put a URLwhich has an authentication URL.83000:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,200So when you click Claim in podfans, it will automatically go83100:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,010to that URL on Buzzsprout. Forexample, if you're not logged83200:58:05,010 --> 00:58:07,920in, you log in, but if you arelogged in, it'll go to that. And83300:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,470then there'll be a token thatcomes back to us go and get that83400:58:10,470 --> 00:58:14,070is exactly who that person was,but perhaps verified it. And we83500:58:14,070 --> 00:58:17,820then give you a verified from aclaim situation. And then you83600:58:17,820 --> 00:58:21,570get access to the backend adminfor your podcast, to go and83700:58:21,570 --> 00:58:24,690change the length staff go andchange any of the RSS fields,83800:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,270whatever you want to do. Sowe're trying to make it like an83900:58:27,270 --> 00:58:31,350O auth. Light, we tested it,it's it's working, as a couple84000:58:31,350 --> 00:58:35,190of people who've come back witha really good, added a couple of84100:58:35,190 --> 00:58:38,460security issues. So Tom and Iare working on that next week,84200:58:38,940 --> 00:58:42,840fingers crossed, if that allgoes through, we'll implement it84300:58:42,870 --> 00:58:46,740just like we did pod roll prettyquickly, then anyone else can84400:58:46,740 --> 00:58:49,830rip it apart, or we'll changeit. And so yeah, running with84500:58:49,830 --> 00:58:52,320scissors, basically. But we'lltry very quickly to get84600:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,620something working and see whatcomes back. And then if people84700:58:55,620 --> 00:58:59,190want to change it, update it,we'll change it as the community84800:58:59,190 --> 00:58:59,910asks us to do.84900:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,880Dave Jones: Okay, so that isthat have been submitted to and85000:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,770don't think I've seen that inthe discussions.85100:59:05,099 --> 00:59:09,689Unknown: Yeah, now it's inthere. So Tom submitted the idea85200:59:09,719 --> 00:59:13,319originally. And then Tom and Ijumped on a call. We worked85300:59:13,319 --> 00:59:17,639through the back and forth withit. And then my developer is now85400:59:17,669 --> 00:59:20,729going to send the token over. Soyeah, there's a couple of minor85500:59:20,729 --> 00:59:22,529things we're still doing. Butnext week,85600:59:23,010 --> 00:59:25,080Adam Curry: so can I claim on mypodcast?85700:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,540Unknown: Yeah, you can nowbecause if you are, if your85800:59:27,540 --> 00:59:30,660email still in your RSS, I couldlook but you know, if you're85900:59:30,660 --> 00:59:33,540still in there, you can do this.Yeah. And then I'll go into this86000:59:33,540 --> 00:59:33,690like86100:59:33,689 --> 00:59:35,279Dave Jones: fans.fm/scissor So86200:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,100Adam Curry: my, my, my emailaddress has already been taken.86300:59:39,630 --> 00:59:42,150Dave Jones: Well, is that oh,that's because you've been in86400:59:42,150 --> 00:59:44,490there before? Right? Yeah, wehad temporary accounts. Yeah,86500:59:44,490 --> 00:59:44,640but86600:59:44,639 --> 00:59:47,489Unknown: you can now put ForgotMy Password and we'll we'll fix86700:59:47,489 --> 00:59:48,899that. Okay.86800:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,769Adam Curry: I don't want to saywhat it's doing. User not found,86900:59:52,889 --> 00:59:56,249or I'm not found. I'm lost.Don't worry about it, Sam. Don't87000:59:56,249 --> 00:59:59,489worry about it. We'll do it.We'll do it live. Hey, I see87100:59:59,489 --> 01:00:02,609that you have But I think I knowthe answers. But you I see you87201:00:02,609 --> 01:00:05,639have zaps here as well. So youthis is a noster thing that87301:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,439you've put here. How does thatwork?87401:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,479Unknown: So, initially, webasically said that zap is a87501:00:12,479 --> 01:00:16,409like we said, it's like 10 SATs.It's just a very simple,87601:00:16,409 --> 01:00:20,759lightweight example. We havebooths, we have zaps. Let's just87701:00:20,759 --> 01:00:26,069support it. And now what we'vedone with OB we all be enabled87801:00:26,099 --> 01:00:30,509the N pub automatically withinthe OB API. So now when87901:00:30,509 --> 01:00:33,569everyone's profile, we'repulling your M Pub across. And88001:00:33,569 --> 01:00:38,039so next step for us is then wecan send the ZAP stays within88101:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,939the system currently now so if Ilike your show, or zap your88201:00:41,939 --> 01:00:45,779show, you will get 10s 10 sets.That's just a very lightweight88301:00:46,229 --> 01:00:50,849boost without a comment as how Isee it. But is88401:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,250Dave Jones: that does that goback out? To the to the nostril?88501:00:53,250 --> 01:00:55,860Rila? Is that a nostril? Is thatjust internal?88601:00:56,039 --> 01:00:57,539Unknown: That's internal onlynow88701:00:58,679 --> 01:01:00,179Adam Curry: adheres to the valueblock?88801:01:00,749 --> 01:01:01,499Dave Jones: Yes.88901:01:02,730 --> 01:01:07,200Adam Curry: Slide definitely youso I'd say our, our podcast,89001:01:07,230 --> 01:01:10,380Dave is worth 12,000 SATs.89101:01:11,579 --> 01:01:12,569Dave Jones: The US for this?89201:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,429Adam Curry: That's a to twopounds 80.89301:01:15,539 --> 01:01:23,639Dave Jones: That'sdisappointing. Well, we're worth89401:01:23,639 --> 01:01:24,899at least a fiver I thought89501:01:25,530 --> 01:01:27,390Adam Curry: I thought we werefive quid will be proper weight89601:01:27,390 --> 01:01:28,860for us. Wow.89701:01:31,409 --> 01:01:35,939Dave Jones: So this, this may, Idon't know if you saw this, Sam89801:01:35,969 --> 01:01:40,409is did this other addition tothe to V, which is the signature89901:01:40,409 --> 01:01:45,479field. Now it didn't say that.Okay, so the signature field in90001:01:45,479 --> 01:01:50,159this may help you with yournoster stuff is if you have a90101:01:50,159 --> 01:01:54,329seat, so they're inside the TLVrecord, when the with each90201:01:54,329 --> 01:01:59,729payment is a sender underscoreID field. And that thing has90301:01:59,729 --> 01:02:04,859always just been whatever youit's freeform text, it doesn't,90401:02:05,189 --> 01:02:07,619it doesn't adhere to anything,it can just be made up. I mean,90501:02:07,619 --> 01:02:09,959people can pretend to be otherpeople. I mean, there's it's90601:02:09,959 --> 01:02:15,599just a handle. And so thevarious apps use that in their90701:02:15,599 --> 01:02:20,969own ways. So like you withfountain. Oscar uses the you90801:02:20,969 --> 01:02:23,909know, his internal user ID forthat field. And you know,90901:02:23,909 --> 01:02:27,869everybody uses their own thing.Well, I added this aggregate91001:02:27,869 --> 01:02:35,609added a signature field to theto the record, which will, which91101:02:35,609 --> 01:02:40,919will give you some way to do averification on the sender ID.91201:02:41,099 --> 01:02:46,859So in your in, in your system,you could in that Sender ID91301:02:46,859 --> 01:02:52,559field, you could include nostrein pub. And then the signature91401:02:52,559 --> 01:02:58,769field would be a SIG would bethe signature of the TLV signed91501:02:58,889 --> 01:03:03,539with the private key with thenostril private key. So I use91601:03:03,539 --> 01:03:04,829your verification.91701:03:05,579 --> 01:03:08,489Unknown: Because that's thechallenge. We haven't looked at91801:03:08,489 --> 01:03:10,649it. But we were looking at thefact that how do you make a91901:03:10,649 --> 01:03:13,829right to a Nasri Lake withoutthe private key. But if you've92001:03:13,829 --> 01:03:16,739got a signature where we canhold that, or it can be a92101:03:16,739 --> 01:03:18,809dynamically inserted and thatthat fix.92201:03:19,230 --> 01:03:20,970Adam Curry: This is really thisis really built like it's92301:03:20,970 --> 01:03:24,690beautiful, 2.0 Playground kindof the way I see it. I'm seeing92401:03:24,690 --> 01:03:28,650a lot of cool things for what Ican see without logging in. I92501:03:28,650 --> 01:03:32,160like the iPad, like the littleit shows me plays, how many92601:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,940booths how many clips have beenmade? It really got me Did you92701:03:35,940 --> 01:03:38,280just implement every single tag?92801:03:39,270 --> 01:03:40,980Unknown: We have? Yeah, as muchas we could.92901:03:41,579 --> 01:03:44,009Adam Curry: This is so cool. Theend, you got the trailer, which93001:03:44,009 --> 01:03:46,169we don't have pod roll, whichyou don't have yet93101:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,440Unknown: negative sites as well.So if you look at the trailer,93201:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,250Adam, it'll say you earn fromlistening to a trailer, we93301:03:53,250 --> 01:03:56,400believe that your time andattention adds value. And so you93401:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,890should be paid to listen to atrailer rather than93501:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,950Adam Curry: power. How are yougoing to make money off of this?93601:04:02,100 --> 01:04:05,160Are you getting a percentage ofevery every stream? Is that how93701:04:05,160 --> 01:04:05,760it works? Yeah,93801:04:06,059 --> 01:04:10,409Unknown: yeah, we say we take a10% fee. And then we are then93901:04:10,499 --> 01:04:13,049one cents going back to thepodcast in depth. Thank you. And94001:04:13,049 --> 01:04:16,319then there are other onepercents going to other hosting94101:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,939companies that we've done dealto it. Yeah.94201:04:18,210 --> 01:04:20,010Adam Curry: Oh, you've donedeals with hosting companies do94301:04:20,010 --> 01:04:20,490tell.94401:04:21,869 --> 01:04:27,419Unknown: So the the goal for usis that, let's say rss.com,94501:04:27,449 --> 01:04:31,199which supports the value forvalue tag, okay? They've got94601:04:31,349 --> 01:04:36,869customers already. Now, theymight recommend pod vans as an94701:04:36,869 --> 01:04:41,339app within their CO marketing.And if a customer then joins94801:04:41,339 --> 01:04:45,569from rss.com We can track it.And we can then give them a 1%94901:04:45,569 --> 01:04:48,299split of any of the value thatthat customer has generated.95001:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,660Adam Curry: Oh man, I love youfor that, Sam that is that makes95101:04:51,660 --> 01:04:55,740so much sense. This is exactlyhow I think Dave and I always95201:04:55,740 --> 01:04:59,550envisioned the ecosystem. Youknow, for everybody, everybody95301:04:59,550 --> 01:05:04,080participate paid in the valuesounds like so much sense. I95401:05:04,080 --> 01:05:09,090like it. I like your logo tothank. Yeah, logos are hard.95501:05:10,289 --> 01:05:11,159Dave Jones: Yeah.95601:05:12,030 --> 01:05:15,510Unknown: You'll see, again,things that are in the pipeline.95701:05:15,510 --> 01:05:18,720So we already have, we alreadyhave music within the platform.95801:05:19,500 --> 01:05:22,860We already have video supportwithin the platform. And I've95901:05:22,860 --> 01:05:25,380just done a deal with PenguinBooks to add books to the plot.96001:05:26,460 --> 01:05:30,330Adam Curry: You crazy fucker.You Nice. Yeah. So, so coming.96101:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,910Dave Jones: Videos. Great tohear your videos. Great to hear96201:05:32,910 --> 01:05:35,790because I know Alex is backworking on the peer tube support96301:05:35,790 --> 01:05:36,930for RSS. Actually, we96401:05:36,930 --> 01:05:39,240Adam Curry: got a we got aquestion here. We got a couple96501:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,260of pre boosts before the showfor you, Sam Martin Linda's kg96601:05:44,580 --> 01:05:46,860with a row a duck, Sam. So Ithink it'd be possible to add96701:05:46,860 --> 01:05:49,650video material to pod fans inthe future. And what is your96801:05:49,650 --> 01:05:50,730take on peer tube?96901:05:52,170 --> 01:05:55,770Unknown: So peer tube is great.I don't have an issue with it.97001:05:55,770 --> 01:06:00,480But I don't really I'm not. I'magnostic to that. What I'm more97101:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,700concerned with is does itsupport the alternative97201:06:02,700 --> 01:06:06,330enclosure tag? And if it does,then whatever you tell me within97301:06:06,330 --> 01:06:10,350the end alternative enclosuretag is what I will do. Better it97401:06:10,350 --> 01:06:11,010goes back.97501:06:11,430 --> 01:06:15,990Adam Curry: And dovie das 23,000SATs. Sam, how much longer will97601:06:15,990 --> 01:06:19,860I have to be on the pod fanswaitlist I want to boost?97701:06:22,860 --> 01:06:27,210Unknown: I guess look, I'll saythis very clearly. Oscar is97801:06:27,210 --> 01:06:30,480brilliant. You know, the guyswho are building stuff out there97901:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,380are brilliant the guys at curaCasa Steven, you know, everyone98001:06:34,380 --> 01:06:39,360who's doing stuff, I could gohalf baked. And that's what we98101:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,420could have done. But David andAdam, if you're looking at it,98201:06:42,420 --> 01:06:46,530now you'll see that we've gotthe help screens coming up,98301:06:47,190 --> 01:06:49,950which is gamified. And thereason we're doing that is98401:06:49,950 --> 01:06:53,280because again, we just want tomake sure that the experience98501:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,730when you go in is first classwhen you come to do what we're98601:06:56,730 --> 01:07:00,300doing. So I'd rather wait a fewmore weeks and get it right then98701:07:00,690 --> 01:07:03,300have 50 people tell me that, youknow, that doesn't work. This98801:07:03,300 --> 01:07:03,990doesn't work and98901:07:04,050 --> 01:07:06,780Dave Jones: build some screensand documentation is that though99001:07:06,780 --> 01:07:10,920it's just it's just it's sonecessary, but it is so mind99101:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,340numbing and hard work. It's justtedious work.99201:07:14,820 --> 01:07:18,090Adam Curry: Is this? Just allyou Sam Southie? Or do you have99301:07:18,090 --> 01:07:24,690the Indian finance cabal behindyou? Which I've taken money from99401:07:24,690 --> 01:07:27,900the Indian finance Cabal? I lovethem. They're very honest with99501:07:27,900 --> 01:07:31,110you. Very, very, like brutallyhonest.99601:07:31,530 --> 01:07:33,780Unknown: But we still stuffsaying Uncle G at the beginning.99701:07:33,780 --> 01:07:37,470We're all related. But yeah, no,I haven't. I haven't. I've been99801:07:37,470 --> 01:07:40,380very lucky. I've got a smallamount of funding that we got99901:07:40,380 --> 01:07:44,250given on a licensing deal tosomebody's licensing my platform100001:07:44,250 --> 01:07:48,960for a music version of pod vans,Pure Music version. You might100101:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,020know them. Adam, Davao Canfield,100201:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,380Adam Curry: the DJ? Oh, yeah, ofcourse. Of course. Yeah. So100301:07:55,379 --> 01:07:57,449Unknown: he's licensed theplatform from us to go and100401:07:57,449 --> 01:08:00,359create a version for pure house.100501:08:00,539 --> 01:08:04,409Adam Curry: Oh, fantastic. Whata great idea. Yeah. It makes100601:08:04,409 --> 01:08:07,649sense. Because the whole thingIt feels kind of like a mixer.100701:08:08,669 --> 01:08:11,159Yeah, it was like, this is allthis stuff that you can do. And100801:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,909there's knobs and buttons andnumbers that change. It just100901:08:14,939 --> 01:08:16,559feels fun.101001:08:17,340 --> 01:08:20,910Unknown: Yeah. So we haven't weare in the middle of a funding101101:08:20,910 --> 01:08:25,950round ourselves. And thatfunding round is really, I think101201:08:25,950 --> 01:08:28,440I've said it before in the pastis more to do with marketing,101301:08:28,620 --> 01:08:30,960the cost of building theplatform, me and my developer101401:08:31,020 --> 01:08:33,750are basically not taking anymoney. We're very happy not101501:08:33,750 --> 01:08:36,360taking any money. And we justwork every day on this.101601:08:36,630 --> 01:08:40,530Literally every day we spend.And it's been nine months of you101701:08:40,530 --> 01:08:43,440know, pleasure and pain. But youknow, it we've got here where we101801:08:43,440 --> 01:08:43,650are?101901:08:43,980 --> 01:08:47,760Adam Curry: Well, as as, as Ialways say to any of our102001:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,990developers, if there's any way Ican assist in helping you102101:08:51,990 --> 01:08:57,270fundraise, I'm happy to talk toany investors. You know, I would102201:08:57,270 --> 01:09:00,180like to think that some of mychats I had with people helped102301:09:00,180 --> 01:09:05,010Oscar and some other people. Idid that with the with some102401:09:05,010 --> 01:09:07,860people from I think breeze, Imean, whatever it's like, it's102501:09:07,860 --> 01:09:11,160great if Uncle G needs to talkto somebody, like the guy that102601:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,310has the quote at the bottom ofyour page here. Happy to talk to102701:09:14,310 --> 01:09:15,660him about it. Thank you,102801:09:15,690 --> 01:09:17,880Dave Jones: you can let me askyou this, Sam, because I know102901:09:18,450 --> 01:09:23,490fountain did this. And I thinkthere's some other outfits that103001:09:23,490 --> 01:09:27,780just recently did this. That Ican't remember but it seems like103101:09:28,140 --> 01:09:31,500it's kind of becoming a bigthing too. Just to not103201:09:31,500 --> 01:09:36,360necessarily go to a VC for seedmoney substance to do do like oh103301:09:36,360 --> 01:09:41,940yeah, subsidy to do like acrowdsourcing. investment round103401:09:41,940 --> 01:09:45,420where you know, everybody, whereyou basically just opening you103501:09:45,420 --> 01:09:48,870know, you open the door to smallto small investors who ever103601:09:48,870 --> 01:09:51,570wants to go in would y'all everdo something like that?103701:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,620Unknown: I'd love to. I just,you know, again, it's how many103801:09:55,620 --> 01:09:59,250spinning plates can I holdtogether really? And to organize103901:09:59,250 --> 01:10:03,870that, you know, There's a wholebunch of services in the UK, for104001:10:03,870 --> 01:10:07,350example, that do that, likeCrowdcube, that you could go to104101:10:07,380 --> 01:10:10,110and do that. Or I could go tothe podcast community and try104201:10:10,110 --> 01:10:14,130and do that. But right now, ourburn rates so little, and104301:10:14,850 --> 01:10:16,290Dave Jones: we bless you, blessyou.104401:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,640Unknown: I literally have gotenough money for two and a half104501:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,760years in the bank right now. SoI really don't want to go out104601:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,630and do the begging bowl. Yeah,right now, there will be a time104701:10:27,630 --> 01:10:30,150when I need to go back into thepool. And the reason we're doing104801:10:30,150 --> 01:10:33,120it now is we're in a greatposition, we're not requiring104901:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,660money, the worst time to go andfind money is when you need105001:10:36,660 --> 01:10:38,460money, because then theyactually,105101:10:39,420 --> 01:10:43,260Adam Curry: as the rules ofbusiness, it's one don't run out105201:10:43,260 --> 01:10:47,550of money, too, don't negotiateagainst yourself, three, when105301:10:47,550 --> 01:10:50,370you don't want to do it, raisethe price. That's all I need to105401:10:50,370 --> 01:10:52,110know. That's your business rulesright there.105501:10:53,820 --> 01:10:57,030Unknown: So we're just going outand playing, you know,105601:10:57,030 --> 01:10:59,790Cinderella, we're just going tofight go and see you know, how105701:10:59,790 --> 01:11:02,550many people we want to talk toin that market, and see what105801:11:02,550 --> 01:11:06,150they value us and see what theythink of us. And it's fun. It's105901:11:06,150 --> 01:11:06,600fun to do,106001:11:06,930 --> 01:11:09,420Dave Jones: I think listening toyou is helpful to a lot of106101:11:09,630 --> 01:11:15,780developers, because a lot ofmany developers do because you106201:11:15,780 --> 01:11:18,000understand you understanddevelopment and you but you've106301:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,480also been in just in thebusiness, in business business106401:11:21,480 --> 01:11:24,870for you know, for many years. SoI think just just listening to106501:11:24,870 --> 01:11:27,330the way that you're layingthings out is probably helpful106601:11:27,330 --> 01:11:30,060for a lot for a lot of smalldevelopers who just don't106701:11:30,060 --> 01:11:32,010understand the landscape. Theydon't know how to do this kind106801:11:32,010 --> 01:11:34,920of stuff. They don't know how togo out and try to find investors106901:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,890if they need some money. I thinkthis is all very helpful just to107001:11:37,890 --> 01:11:41,760hear you kind of rundown the wayyou're the way that you're going107101:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,840through the process. You don'twe don't get that very much.107201:11:46,860 --> 01:11:49,380Unknown: One of the firstquestions is I often get because107301:11:49,380 --> 01:11:52,920I help other startups. Now, howdo I value myself? You know,107401:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,830what's the valuation on thisbusiness, and half the times,107501:11:56,100 --> 01:11:59,250the first crazy value that youput out the market is is a107601:11:59,250 --> 01:12:03,090finger in the air. But the firstinvestor who sort of agrees with107701:12:03,090 --> 01:12:07,380your mind valuation sets thebar. And once that bar set, then107801:12:07,380 --> 01:12:10,770every other investor has to comein at that bar level. And then107901:12:10,770 --> 01:12:13,710just simply go right now I'veadded more value and it you108001:12:13,710 --> 01:12:16,290know, going back to what you andAdam have developed its value108101:12:16,290 --> 01:12:19,350for value, I've created value.That's what I'm setting it out.108201:12:19,350 --> 01:12:23,070Do you agree with me? Yes or no?Let's negotiate. Now I've added108301:12:23,070 --> 01:12:25,470more value. Let's go to the nextlevel. And you just keep108401:12:25,470 --> 01:12:28,560negotiating up until you've gotyou know, if you don't agree108501:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,650with the value that someoneoffers you just walk away, just108601:12:31,650 --> 01:12:32,490walk away from them.108701:12:34,950 --> 01:12:37,410Adam Curry: Well, since you arealso in the news business, maybe108801:12:37,410 --> 01:12:40,470we can talk about a couplethings that we are you laughing108901:12:40,470 --> 01:12:45,570at that? You are you in the newsbusiness? There? Well, actually,109001:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,670first, here's a question foryou. Have you seen the MK Ultra109101:12:50,670 --> 01:12:53,880chat that David's been workingon that we tested out I think109201:12:53,880 --> 01:12:58,590last week or two weeks ago? Thatis like Nastar chat. Dave, do we109301:12:58,590 --> 01:13:02,760have a room for this? For thisepisode? Or? Yes? Run? Oh,109401:13:02,790 --> 01:13:03,570Dave Jones: it's running rightnow.109501:13:03,750 --> 01:13:06,060Unknown: It is all the chat roombecause me and Dave have spoken109601:13:06,060 --> 01:13:08,970in the background. Dave? Yousent me the link to it. Is that109701:13:08,970 --> 01:13:10,770the Gnostic link? Is that thechat room? I109801:13:11,730 --> 01:13:13,950Dave Jones: think so. Yeah.Yeah, that's it. That's what109901:13:13,950 --> 01:13:17,070we're talking. Yeah, that's whatI think that's what I sent you.110001:13:17,520 --> 01:13:18,420Unknown: Yeah, you did you get110101:13:19,110 --> 01:13:22,410Adam Curry: something that wouldfit within my guess if it fits110201:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,900running? What would that fitwithin the110301:13:25,620 --> 01:13:27,060Unknown: completely? Okay.110401:13:27,690 --> 01:13:29,280Adam Curry: That's right.Where's this thing? I don't see110501:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,060this link, Dave.110601:13:30,150 --> 01:13:33,060Dave Jones: So that was I put iton up. I guess an index does110701:13:33,060 --> 01:13:35,700social before. Let me 30 minutesbefore we started.110801:13:35,970 --> 01:13:38,700Adam Curry: Oh, okay. It'searlier kind of kind of. Yeah.110901:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,430Unknown: So going back to whatwe said about five minutes ago,111001:13:41,430 --> 01:13:45,030getting the M Pub automaticallyfrom the LP API was critical.111101:13:45,030 --> 01:13:49,230Because before that, we had torely on the user to copy and111201:13:49,230 --> 01:13:51,870paste their M Pub across. Andthat was never going to happen.111301:13:52,350 --> 01:13:55,650So once we've got itautomatically, we can then111401:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,830again, and I'll look at thissignature thing data that you've111501:13:58,830 --> 01:14:03,570put together. But it allows usto do not only share, but also111601:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,440chat, and anything else we wantto put to relate. But we haven't111701:14:07,440 --> 01:14:07,890got there yet.111801:14:09,180 --> 01:14:11,610Dave Jones: Let me let me throwthe last piece of that button.111901:14:11,610 --> 01:14:15,180And by the way, that thatsignature that it gives in the112001:14:15,180 --> 01:14:17,760in the documentation, it givesan example of how to do it with112101:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,380noster. But it's agnostic towhatever the user identification112201:14:22,380 --> 01:14:25,920system is. So you could it canbe nostru, or it can be other112301:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,430stuff. It doesn't it doesn'tmatter. It's flexible. So then,112401:14:29,490 --> 01:14:32,850but the last thing that I addedthis last couple of weeks is112501:14:33,420 --> 01:14:36,750reply fields. So there's threefields. There's reply112601:14:36,750 --> 01:14:39,840underscore, address, replyunderscore custom key and reply112701:14:39,840 --> 01:14:46,410underscore custom value. So youcan you can now put those into112801:14:46,410 --> 01:14:50,250the payment when you send it andthen this is optional, of112901:14:50,250 --> 01:14:53,190course, like everything else andthen that way when you receive113001:14:53,190 --> 01:14:57,660the boost, I can boost you back.So it can be a two way street113101:14:57,660 --> 01:15:00,720now. So we finally hit wefinally have a way to do boost113201:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,230backs that are across platform.Cool.113301:15:04,260 --> 01:15:07,110Unknown: That's cool. Now that'svery cool, because in inside of113401:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,860pop bands, we have a threadedconversation with boosts, but we113501:15:10,860 --> 01:15:12,030don't have an external.113601:15:12,120 --> 01:15:13,800Adam Curry: Is that going to bein helipad? Dave? You're going113701:15:13,800 --> 01:15:14,430to update?113801:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,220Dave Jones: Yes, yes, it will beit will be in helipad. So if I113901:15:17,220 --> 01:15:20,970if I send you a boost from,yeah, what would be great is if,114001:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,100if, if you boost somebody boostsme from pod fans, you know, then114101:15:26,100 --> 01:15:30,900I can receive that boost back inmy Alby or whatever, you know114201:15:30,900 --> 01:15:33,360what, wherever it came from, Ican get that back. Yeah.114301:15:33,390 --> 01:15:38,520Adam Curry: Nice. Cool. had achat with the CEO of start nine114401:15:38,580 --> 01:15:46,380this week. Matt, and Matt Hill,Matt Hall, Matt Hill, Matt. And114501:15:46,380 --> 01:15:50,430those guys, they're serious toknow that they basically are114601:15:50,430 --> 01:15:54,090building Umbral, the way itshould have been built. If that114701:15:54,090 --> 01:15:56,940makes any sense. They'rebuilding they built an OS, not114801:15:56,940 --> 01:16:01,290just Docker containers thatcommunicate together. And holy114901:16:01,290 --> 01:16:04,110crap, that thing looks good.They really want to make it so115001:16:04,110 --> 01:16:10,290that jeans jeans mom rest, hersoul would be able to set it up.115101:16:11,760 --> 01:16:16,380Dave Jones: Start nine sovereigncomputing is what this says.115201:16:16,380 --> 01:16:16,830Yeah.115301:16:17,490 --> 01:16:20,280Adam Curry: So they, you canbuild one yourself, but they're,115401:16:20,430 --> 01:16:27,120they think they're gonna theyeven have a purism version. You115501:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,600know, so complete sovereignhardware. They don't have as115601:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,000many apps but that's becausethey, you know, they have it's115701:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,330an OS, they really integratethese things tightly. Then he115801:16:36,330 --> 01:16:41,280said, he's gonna send me a unitto test. Man, it looks so cool.115901:16:41,340 --> 01:16:44,370And he was like, Hey, how do we,how do we get pod ping on here?116001:16:44,370 --> 01:16:47,760How do we get? Can we get piecesof the index on here? How do we116101:16:47,760 --> 01:16:53,100get Pelle pad on here? How do weget IPFS podcasting on here? I'm116201:16:53,100 --> 01:16:54,840I don't know. Send me one. Let'ssee what we can to116301:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,870Dave Jones: tell him to send meone. I'll put it on there. I'm a116401:16:57,870 --> 01:17:00,660shameless whore. I just wantfree stuff. Yeah, okay.116501:17:00,750 --> 01:17:04,350Adam Curry: I will. I had to doa whole hour call with a man you116601:17:04,350 --> 01:17:06,840don't just get the get the stufffor free. You got to do a call.116701:17:06,900 --> 01:17:10,170Dave Jones: You do our call. AndI get that that's the way this116801:17:10,170 --> 01:17:10,590works.116901:17:12,570 --> 01:17:14,760Adam Curry: The other thing weprobably talked about briefly,117001:17:14,790 --> 01:17:17,400Sam, have you gotten on blue skyyet?117101:17:18,060 --> 01:17:21,300Unknown: No. And until I want toknow, until I can.117201:17:21,450 --> 01:17:24,000Adam Curry: Well, John Spurlockis creaming over this thing. I117301:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,110mean, he can't stop boostingabout it. Like all blue sky. Oh,117401:17:28,110 --> 01:17:32,460blue skies, so great. And and Ihave to say this an exodus from117501:17:32,460 --> 01:17:37,710Mastodon mainly. But we callthis journalist because they117601:17:37,710 --> 01:17:42,180have quote, tweet, oh, I canquote tweet now I matter. And117701:17:42,180 --> 01:17:47,430but what? What's lost in all ofthe noise is, is kind of noster117801:17:47,430 --> 01:17:49,890done professional. I mean,David, you looked at it, right?117901:17:50,850 --> 01:17:54,390Dave Jones: Yeah, it's no, theprotocol is solid. I mean, it's,118001:17:54,420 --> 01:17:59,760it's, it's it's beautiful. Theprotocol for feta. I've got118101:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,400this, I got this idea that hitme over the last couple of118201:18:02,400 --> 01:18:07,890weeks. It seems like, and Idon't know if this is already a118301:18:07,890 --> 01:18:13,140thing, that by the time a thingis perfected. That's about the118401:18:13,140 --> 01:18:17,520time that it's already hit. It'sthe apex, and it's on the wane.118501:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,140So this is what this feels like.It feels like we've we reached118601:18:22,140 --> 01:18:28,830peak social media two years ago.And now blue sky has come in and118701:18:28,830 --> 01:18:33,180made a beautiful protocol thatactually absolutely does118801:18:33,180 --> 01:18:39,600Federation correctly. Yeah. And,and nobody's gonna use it. And I118901:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,850don't think it will be, I don'tthink anybody's going to run a119001:18:41,850 --> 01:18:42,360server.119101:18:42,780 --> 01:18:46,590Unknown: Exciting. So how youcan say it's federated, but the119201:18:46,590 --> 01:18:48,600whole thing is not federated. So119301:18:48,750 --> 01:18:51,270Adam Curry: why not? Yeah. It'ssupposed to be right.119401:18:51,870 --> 01:18:56,130Dave Jones: It feels like ashard as it is. And as, as119501:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,980expensive as it is to run anostre relay, which is not119601:18:58,980 --> 01:19:03,180cheap. The blue sky is gonna beeven worse. I don't see people119701:19:03,180 --> 01:19:07,170running relays for that, orservers or No,119801:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,290Adam Curry: I mean, I seeorganizations running this. I119901:19:10,290 --> 01:19:13,140can see the New York Timesrunning, you know, their, their120001:19:13,140 --> 01:19:15,480own server for theirjournalists. It really felt like120101:19:15,480 --> 01:19:18,000a journalist thing. In fact, youand I were talking about this,120201:19:18,000 --> 01:19:23,220like, have we hit peak socialmedia? Yeah, everyone just sick120301:19:23,220 --> 01:19:24,570of this crap at this point?120401:19:25,260 --> 01:19:28,260Unknown: Pretty much, I think. Imean, I hardly do it now.120501:19:28,260 --> 01:19:32,340Because I mean, it's a broadcastmedium. There's no social. That120601:19:32,340 --> 01:19:34,860is a one way communication. 90%Yeah.120701:19:35,970 --> 01:19:39,000Dave Jones: Yeah, I think it'stotally peak. Peak social media.120801:19:39,030 --> 01:19:43,830Like my first response to BlueSky was I mean, because I don't,120901:19:44,100 --> 01:19:49,740I've already got seriously I'vegot I've got texting, Telegram121001:19:49,890 --> 01:19:56,190teams, podcast into you know,Mastodon emails to check. We121101:19:56,190 --> 01:19:58,140Adam Curry: should probably telleverybody what we did. We made a121201:19:58,140 --> 01:19:58,740pact121301:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,090Dave Jones: Oh yes we got a manwill be here Monday121401:20:03,150 --> 01:20:05,670Adam Curry: minus comingtracking one minus is that the121501:20:05,700 --> 01:20:13,200ninth is that Monday eighth wewe bought light phones together121601:20:13,710 --> 01:20:13,980when121701:20:17,190 --> 01:20:20,610Dave Jones: we did when wefinally got it to accept a121801:20:20,610 --> 01:20:25,860credit card is not you knowdoesn't make you feel good about121901:20:25,860 --> 01:20:26,700your purchase? No,122001:20:26,700 --> 01:20:29,130Adam Curry: I think we mighthave ordered eight I'm not sure122101:20:29,130 --> 01:20:31,020just because it wasn't goingthrough try it again. Try it122201:20:31,020 --> 01:20:31,830again. Try it again.122301:20:32,790 --> 01:20:36,810Dave Jones: It also but it Doyou know the light phone? Sam?122401:20:37,140 --> 01:20:41,280No, no, no ideally, it's thelight phone.com It's like an E122501:20:41,280 --> 01:20:46,590Ink screen telephone with likehardly anything. There's no122601:20:46,590 --> 01:20:49,170social media is basically justtexting what122701:20:49,170 --> 01:20:52,110Adam Curry: has a text with aQWERTY keyboard on the on the E122801:20:52,110 --> 01:20:55,950Ink screen you can call we havea calendar, you have an alarm122901:20:56,010 --> 01:21:00,120and you have podcast client,which is cool. And directions123001:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,910that says directions I don'tknow exactly what that means but123101:21:02,910 --> 01:21:07,500has directions and that's it.Note no images. You can do group123201:21:07,500 --> 01:21:12,450tags but you won't get imagesand as a hotspot which of course123301:21:12,540 --> 01:21:14,970means you're going to have aanother device if you need to do123401:21:14,970 --> 01:21:18,180something else. I'm kind ofexcited about it.123501:21:19,049 --> 01:21:24,989Dave Jones: Me too. My My planis to the iPhone is going to123601:21:24,989 --> 01:21:29,099live on the bedside table andnever move. Well, I'll use it123701:21:29,099 --> 01:21:30,929for a toilet scroller and123801:21:31,230 --> 01:21:38,400Adam Curry: a toilet scroller.Yeah, nice show title. scroller.123901:21:38,430 --> 01:21:39,300Nice.124001:21:39,450 --> 01:21:43,080Dave Jones: Yeah. I'll use itfor a toilet scroller and like124101:21:43,110 --> 01:21:46,170I'm getting alerts from you knowfrom the day job when the124201:21:46,170 --> 01:21:46,530server's124301:21:47,250 --> 01:21:51,120Unknown: Dave you've got to geta toilet holder then for a124401:21:51,120 --> 01:21:51,750holder for the124501:21:54,900 --> 01:21:58,770Dave Jones: holster on the walldoing exactly. Suction pad124601:22:02,520 --> 01:22:07,830that's a phone nobody will evertouch that's yes. But then But124701:22:07,830 --> 01:22:11,370then I never the goal is neverleave the house with the with124801:22:11,370 --> 01:22:14,070that device only leave the housewith the light phone.124901:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,630Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm gonna dothat. I like it. You know, I125001:22:18,630 --> 01:22:21,210like the idea a lot because allthe stuff I'm doing like i Why125101:22:21,210 --> 01:22:23,940am I even doing this? Why am Idoing this right now?125201:22:24,780 --> 01:22:26,460Unknown: This sounds like aKindle with a phone.125301:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,880Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Soundslike yeah, look in a podcast125401:22:29,880 --> 01:22:30,180player.125501:22:30,210 --> 01:22:32,370Adam Curry: Yeah, well thepocket Although who knows. You125601:22:32,370 --> 01:22:35,310know, just imagine the valueblock going through that thing125701:22:35,370 --> 01:22:36,720though. phones can melt.125801:22:38,880 --> 01:22:45,000Dave Jones: Pod fans on thelight phone. II E an E Ink pod125901:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,090fans. Mostafa would lose hismind.126001:22:48,510 --> 01:22:51,840Adam Curry: Now. He would. And Ithink it's I think this is what126101:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,990we should give kids you get yourkids you get a light phone. You126201:22:54,990 --> 01:22:59,070got kids, right? You got one.You got one kid fan. Sam, do126301:22:59,070 --> 01:23:04,350your tooth. So you give your kida light phone, a laptop laptop126401:23:04,350 --> 01:23:09,810and the kid has installed LinuxMint on it themselves. You give126501:23:09,810 --> 01:23:13,650them an umbrella. Or you set upan ombre you set up the umbrella126601:23:13,650 --> 01:23:18,720with the kid a you give them aham radio to meter a handheld126701:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,760and you take the test together.And then you a library card, a126801:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,850dog and an AR 15 night and thenyou're gonna have a good kid126901:23:30,900 --> 01:23:31,680Unknown: lots of parts.127001:23:32,339 --> 01:23:35,849Adam Curry: Oh, please. Oh,please. Oh, please. You know,127101:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,530Dave Jones: I hear you, Texas.127201:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,070Adam Curry: I gotta say Sam. Ilove you, Sam. It stopped127301:23:41,070 --> 01:23:43,710tweeting about Americanpolitics. All right. We don't we127401:23:43,710 --> 01:23:46,920don't bitch about your stupidKing and your coronation.127501:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,420Unknown: Please do because Ican't stand127601:23:49,860 --> 01:23:52,770Adam Curry: I can't believe Ican't believe that you stood the127701:23:52,830 --> 01:23:57,8102023 and you're all gonna watchthis guy in a golden carriage go127801:23:57,810 --> 01:23:58,110down the127901:23:58,110 --> 01:24:00,870Unknown: nails tomorrow.Anything but watching the bloody128001:24:00,870 --> 01:24:01,080car. Oh,128101:24:01,980 --> 01:24:04,440Adam Curry: my goodness. I met Imet the Queen. You know, before128201:24:04,440 --> 01:24:08,370she died. I went to BuckinghamPalace. It was that was I was128301:24:08,370 --> 01:24:09,360pretty cool. Actually.128401:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,120Unknown: Have you got a gong?Have you got a little MBE? Or128501:24:12,120 --> 01:24:12,390oh, no,128601:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,780Adam Curry: no, no, no, no, no,nothing like that. But I do get128701:24:15,780 --> 01:24:18,990to you know, shake her hand.And, and I say I'm going to look128801:24:18,990 --> 01:24:24,210in her eyes. And you know what Isaw? Nothing. Nothing. Complete128901:24:24,210 --> 01:24:27,240dark emptiness. It was it was alittle scary.129001:24:29,340 --> 01:24:33,870Dave Jones: Well, this, this isthe sort of sort of the serious129101:24:33,870 --> 01:24:40,110part though is I figured if myif my daughter who's 13 I'm129201:24:40,110 --> 01:24:46,380like, Okay, if I want her to notbe addicted to social media and129301:24:46,380 --> 01:24:51,090have like mental health problemsfor real from all this from all129401:24:51,090 --> 01:24:54,750this garbage. Like, I got tolive there, right? I mean, I got129501:24:54,750 --> 01:24:59,490to put my money where my mouthis. And so I've got to I got to129601:24:59,490 --> 01:25:02,370do it myself. If I can't just belike, I can't just be scrolling129701:25:02,370 --> 01:25:04,830on the couch all night long andthen be like, you can't have a129801:25:04,830 --> 01:25:06,990phone. So I'm like, okay,129901:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,450Adam Curry: or you can go tomake this happen or go take a130001:25:09,450 --> 01:25:11,700dump and you can use the toiletscroller, but that's an130101:25:13,380 --> 01:25:14,430Unknown: option so that's it for130201:25:14,850 --> 01:25:15,990me it's how I'm on the phone130301:25:20,130 --> 01:25:23,340Adam Curry: Shall we thank a fewpeople because we have a lot we130401:25:23,340 --> 01:25:26,010I'm sure we have a lot from twoweeks worth I would hope but let130501:25:26,010 --> 01:25:29,070me thank some of the people whohave been sending us booster130601:25:29,070 --> 01:25:31,380grams throughout the show it'sabout the whole this whole130701:25:31,380 --> 01:25:34,020kitten caboodle is value forvalue was actually it was130801:25:34,020 --> 01:25:38,640actually fun. I was talking to acompany from the UK today. I130901:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,100forget what the name of thecompany was, but they were131001:25:41,130 --> 01:25:45,600considering becoming a client ofvoltage. And Graham said hey,131101:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,530man, we you we give youreferrals. Yeah, no problem. And131201:25:49,530 --> 01:25:51,870I explained the whole model asI'm explaining the model, I'm131301:25:51,870 --> 01:25:54,870seeing them looking at me likewhat is this guy talking about?131401:25:54,900 --> 01:25:59,070You know, how does how does yourbusiness work? But value for131501:25:59,070 --> 01:26:02,880value means that we accept anyany value in return for the131601:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,790value that you hopefully receivefrom the podcast from the whole131701:26:05,790 --> 01:26:10,350project. Everything that Daveand I do personally and you can131801:26:10,350 --> 01:26:14,070return that it's time talent ortreasurer. If you want to give131901:26:14,070 --> 01:26:17,730us a Fiat fun coupons. You cango to podcasts index.org at the132001:26:17,730 --> 01:26:21,660bottom, there's two big redbuttons actually, I'm going to132101:26:21,660 --> 01:26:26,550look at the at the tally coin.We do this every single time to132201:26:26,550 --> 01:26:30,300see that no one has sent usanything on chain. But you can132301:26:30,300 --> 01:26:35,940also use PayPal there and Whoa,no, I'm right now again, we have132401:26:35,940 --> 01:26:36,330nothing.132501:26:36,810 --> 01:26:39,300Dave Jones: Yes. Because the fitbecause the fees are132601:26:40,410 --> 01:26:43,050Adam Curry: the fees. Yeah, Isaw that the the difficulty132701:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,030level is going to go minus 11.132801:26:45,570 --> 01:26:48,300Dave Jones: Killer Almighty thisordinals thing has to stop. Do132901:26:48,300 --> 01:26:51,930you see somebody introduced abug and ordinals? No, no, no,133001:26:51,930 --> 01:26:53,010it's all it's all asked.133101:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,610Adam Curry: But what we reallylove is for you to ditch the133201:26:56,610 --> 01:27:01,500legacy app and grab a brand newone at podcast apps.com and fill133301:27:01,500 --> 01:27:04,110it up with some SATs. Almosteverybody know how to wait for133401:27:04,110 --> 01:27:07,530you to convert your your Fiatinto Bitcoin and get it into133501:27:07,530 --> 01:27:14,010lightning and we have Stephen Bwith 1138 1138 Izabel boost. I133601:27:14,010 --> 01:27:17,010need to talk to the Start nineguys. They need sovereign feeds133701:27:17,010 --> 01:27:19,800on their sovereign computing.Yes, I mentioned them133801:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,970specifically. Stephen Bell, ofcourse, also cast upon also133901:27:23,970 --> 01:27:28,890mentioned Casta pod to him 1776A freedom booster Mr. Robot Adam134001:27:28,890 --> 01:27:31,980Jason rich of rich ranchers isrunning start nine hit him up134101:27:31,980 --> 01:27:35,310with any questions as well.Yeah, Jason is from the beef134201:27:35,310 --> 01:27:35,820initiative.134301:27:36,780 --> 01:27:39,060Dave Jones: Oh, this there? Oh,there's a little crossover134401:27:39,060 --> 01:27:39,390there.134501:27:39,510 --> 01:27:42,480Adam Curry: Dow there's tons ofwe're creating a whole economy134601:27:42,540 --> 01:27:48,600we don't need anybody. See dubsfor 20 sites with a test test134701:27:48,600 --> 01:27:55,080Toke? Thank you received anotherMr. Robot with 9999 nine or nine134801:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,830or nine or nine or what's yourthought on using hashtags on134901:27:58,830 --> 01:28:02,490before the show notes? In myopinion, they are not needed135001:28:02,490 --> 01:28:05,340take up space. Oscar fromfountain had said they aren't135101:28:05,340 --> 01:28:09,240searchable items yet. Hmm. I'mnot quite sure what this is135201:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,510about hashtags on leave for theshow notes.135301:28:13,050 --> 01:28:17,910Unknown: Well, I disagree withthat because I we would want you135401:28:17,910 --> 01:28:20,910to be able to put any hashtag inand then use our search engine135501:28:20,910 --> 01:28:22,440to discovery so yeah,135601:28:22,440 --> 01:28:25,320Adam Curry: I'm not sure APR. Alot. I'm not sure what he means135701:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,320about taking up space though. Isthis maybe in the TLV record or135801:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,960something? I'm not sure whatthis135901:28:31,020 --> 01:28:33,210Dave Jones: I don't know. Whatis the show notes word that's136001:28:33,210 --> 01:28:36,240Adam Curry: yeah, that's justalso please tell people stop136101:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,520using chat GPT For show notes.136201:28:39,330 --> 01:28:42,000Dave Jones: Yes. Okay. Stopusing jet GPT for sure. Yeah, I136301:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,790Adam Curry: agree with that.Harv had 10101 Thank you hard136401:28:44,790 --> 01:28:50,580hat and 10101 from our Davis atseven in the boardroom gentlemen136501:28:50,580 --> 01:28:53,910a binary boost for running withscissors and trolling. There you136601:28:53,910 --> 01:28:56,760go. Scream listeners gopodcasting. Thank you sir.136701:28:58,980 --> 01:29:03,330blooper of noses 2000 SATsrunning with scissors indeed.136801:29:03,630 --> 01:29:11,220Jad F 3333 Eric p p with 33,333He says boasts a hard hat with a136901:29:11,220 --> 01:29:15,570short row of ducks and there'sfor a dude person. The dude137001:29:15,570 --> 01:29:21,960person with a teeth boost whichis 73374 which is yeah like that137101:29:21,960 --> 01:29:26,670nice grill boost. Another one onone on one from hard hat Thank137201:29:26,670 --> 01:29:30,300you 1000 SATs from Brian ofLondon typo fix Oh this was the137301:29:30,300 --> 01:29:38,550two week boost. He sent us65,948 This is for for you to137401:29:38,550 --> 01:29:43,080visit Israel instead of Europeon your vacation. Which is kind137501:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,020invitation you can stay with SirBrian of London and his family.137601:29:46,590 --> 01:29:49,380Dave Jones: Oh, no, we are weare going we are going to137701:29:49,380 --> 01:29:49,800Israel,137801:29:50,010 --> 01:29:54,360Adam Curry: cotton gin 3333 inthe boardroom he says 5150 from137901:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,840tone wrecker, sling and SATsfrom curio caster after upgraded138001:29:57,870 --> 01:30:01,290integration with Albie looks tobe okay. Great Transition.138101:30:01,650 --> 01:30:05,310Congratulations, the 20 to 20from ICM that we read earlier,138201:30:05,520 --> 01:30:10,560cost peatland. Alright, that's asorry, I missed that one. Steven138301:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,450B 1818. Oh here Steven B wastesting I got a whole a whole138401:30:15,450 --> 01:30:20,130bunch of times. He hadproduction boost his real SATs138501:30:20,130 --> 01:30:23,610like a real man Is this thingworking is like all these all138601:30:23,670 --> 01:30:28,200these different tests. Dobiedasa got his 23,000 SATs138701:30:29,550 --> 01:30:34,170anonymous podcast, Guru user100, a couple in there and then138801:30:34,170 --> 01:30:37,380I hit the delimiters. Sowhatever you have from our show138901:30:37,380 --> 01:30:39,990from two weeks ago on this one,David's back to you, Bob,139001:30:40,650 --> 01:30:44,880Dave Jones: did we see You okay,so we'll do we'll do monthlies139101:30:44,880 --> 01:30:48,180we is this was a this was a PayPal for the extravaganza here.139201:30:48,210 --> 01:30:52,380Oh, this Yes. Interesting.Clearly, we need to do a show139301:30:52,380 --> 01:30:57,030every other week. Go becausewhen we miss a show, everybody139401:30:57,060 --> 01:30:59,520everybody goes nuts. And sincewe were going139501:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,610Adam Curry: nuts we we were likeI don't Well, I my mouth hurt139601:31:02,610 --> 01:31:05,340and I couldn't do much but wewere both like you wanted to go139701:31:05,370 --> 01:31:10,410or you really wanted to teach uslike No, no, no, no, no. and my139801:31:10,410 --> 01:31:12,030face was really swollen Tigerreally139901:31:12,060 --> 01:31:15,390Dave Jones: pulled the pulledthe kid kids school function on140001:31:15,390 --> 01:31:15,630you.140101:31:16,020 --> 01:31:18,150Adam Curry: Was that a lie? Wedid you just do that? Oh, it140201:31:18,150 --> 01:31:18,390wasn't.140301:31:19,650 --> 01:31:21,930Dave Jones: It wasn't a lie. Butit was a little it wasn't as140401:31:21,930 --> 01:31:23,790critical as I made it sound140501:31:23,820 --> 01:31:27,030Adam Curry: like I got a thing.I got a thing for school with my140601:31:27,030 --> 01:31:30,450kid. I'm like, okay, familyfirst. I knew you were you were140701:31:30,450 --> 01:31:32,880like I knew you were recordingyou. Thank you.140801:31:34,260 --> 01:31:37,950Dave Jones: Buzzsprout came inwith 500 Nice140901:31:38,850 --> 01:31:41,640Unknown: 20 blades on theImpala.141001:31:41,640 --> 01:31:42,900Adam Curry: We appreciate that,guys.141101:31:44,940 --> 01:31:46,410Dave Jones: Sam is a big fan ofBuzzsprout.141201:31:47,129 --> 01:31:49,349Adam Curry: He's partners withthem. I see it right here on the141301:31:49,409 --> 01:31:50,909EOD fans website.141401:31:52,890 --> 01:32:01,080Dave Jones: Blueberry. Todd Mikein the gang came in with $250.20141501:32:01,290 --> 01:32:03,900Unknown: blades on the Impala socool,141601:32:03,900 --> 01:32:05,610Adam Curry: guys, thank you somuch.141701:32:06,119 --> 01:32:09,329Dave Jones: Are we the only Ifeel like there's I feel like141801:32:09,329 --> 01:32:13,439we've broken some sort of groundhere. It feels like we're the141901:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,319only we got to be the onlypeople who have managed to get142001:32:16,349 --> 01:32:22,499Todd to donate the money. $250To just donate142101:32:22,530 --> 01:32:23,880Adam Curry: for anything for anyreason.142201:32:23,910 --> 01:32:25,260Dave Jones: Now for any reasonever.142301:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,620Adam Curry: Todd understandsvalue. Todd has been part of142401:32:28,620 --> 01:32:32,430value for value for over adecade. He's been a no agenda142501:32:32,430 --> 01:32:36,030night for a long time. He's heunderstood the model very, very142601:32:36,030 --> 01:32:36,720early on.142701:32:37,350 --> 01:32:39,900Dave Jones: Thanks, Tom. Iappreciate you guys. Fountain.142801:32:40,500 --> 01:32:47,340Speaking of fountain Oscar inthe boys $200.20142901:32:47,340 --> 01:32:49,530Unknown: his blades on theImpala143001:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,320Adam Curry: the servers willlive on including the Linode143101:32:52,710 --> 01:32:54,420increase. Yes, thank you.143201:32:54,750 --> 01:32:57,420Dave Jones: Which you know what,which hurt worse than I thought143301:32:57,420 --> 01:33:00,510it was going to I did theinitial math and it came out to143401:33:00,510 --> 01:33:07,230like 12% increase in fees. Butthen I forgot about the backups.143501:33:07,350 --> 01:33:12,540The backups went up to minusstatus. If backups really? Yeah,143601:33:12,540 --> 01:33:16,650cuz we do a lot of we have a lotof backups that snapshots. Oh,143701:33:16,650 --> 01:33:21,300yeah. Nightly snapshot. It kindof sucks because I was the143801:33:21,330 --> 01:33:24,480bigger instances. They're notnearly as cheap as he used to143901:33:24,480 --> 01:33:32,100be. But um, but we got $150 fromthe podcast and 2.0 consultants144001:33:32,100 --> 01:33:33,420Sir Alex gates.144101:33:33,750 --> 01:33:34,890Adam Curry: What how much144201:33:35,520 --> 01:33:36,540Dave Jones: $150144301:33:37,620 --> 01:33:39,930Unknown: stock call off 20blades144401:33:39,960 --> 01:33:44,370Adam Curry: on am Paula. Bonusescame in tax refunds. This is144501:33:44,370 --> 01:33:46,650nice. Thank you. Thank you. I144601:33:46,650 --> 01:33:48,810Dave Jones: just want to say howmuch I appreciate Alex Yeah,144701:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,380helps me on a weekly basis towork through things and it's144801:33:52,380 --> 01:33:56,700really, it really means a lot tome because he donated 150 bucks,144901:33:56,730 --> 01:34:00,780I should be giving him 150bucks. So it's, uh, just really145001:34:00,780 --> 01:34:07,560appreciate that. Thank you.Drew, Drew and McCollum PLLC for145101:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,860the Texas divorce talk podcastgave us $60145201:34:11,220 --> 01:34:14,010Adam Curry: Oh, that's awesome.Hey, that's for our outstanding145301:34:14,010 --> 01:34:15,210customer service.145401:34:15,240 --> 01:34:16,830Dave Jones: It is customerservice.145501:34:16,890 --> 01:34:19,380Adam Curry: It was really nicebecause I do triage customer145601:34:19,380 --> 01:34:24,810service. And she was at aduplication issue she had going145701:34:24,810 --> 01:34:27,240on, I'm like, yeah, we'll seewhat we can do. And I you know,145801:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,840I BCC Dave and I always try tomanage people's expectations.145901:34:30,870 --> 01:34:33,720But basically, you know, I justtried to you know, they they146001:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,540will email if it hasn't happenedor wasn't what they wanted and146101:34:36,780 --> 01:34:39,390back and forth. And they saidno, I said no, hey, thanks for146201:34:39,390 --> 01:34:42,210being so kind because usuallypeople just yell at us not146301:34:42,210 --> 01:34:46,710realizing that as Adam and Dave,you know, doing this stuff says146401:34:46,830 --> 01:34:49,410because of that, whenever I wasgonna give to WordPress I'm146501:34:49,410 --> 01:34:52,950giving to you like Oh, thankyou. That was so nice for146601:34:52,950 --> 01:34:53,940WordPress.146701:34:56,610 --> 01:34:59,970Dave Jones: Todd and rob fromthe new media show $50 Guys146801:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,590Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank youso much.146901:35:02,669 --> 01:35:08,519Dave Jones: You're an animal.Thank you. So see if $4 a month147001:35:08,519 --> 01:35:14,399we got a new subscription fromEmilio canto Molina from this is147101:35:14,399 --> 01:35:16,379great because we got this thefirst new subscription we've147201:35:16,379 --> 01:35:20,579gotten in a long time from thisstems the slow erosion of147301:35:20,579 --> 01:35:21,779monthly subscriptions. Yeah, we147401:35:21,780 --> 01:35:23,790Adam Curry: bank here. Thankyou. Thanks. Thank you.147501:35:24,629 --> 01:35:28,379Dave Jones: As the economicdestruction slowly what rolls147601:35:28,379 --> 01:35:32,069on? You wanna do some boost? Wegotta tone record secular147701:35:32,069 --> 01:35:36,329Richards nice as another fineaudio stroll ideas galore.147801:35:36,390 --> 01:35:37,110Adam Curry: Thank you.147901:35:37,560 --> 01:35:43,470Dave Jones: Boost. Clark in afriend of mine. To 25,001 SATs148001:35:43,470 --> 01:35:44,820he says boop boop beep beep148101:35:46,860 --> 01:35:47,940Adam Curry: you got it. A148201:35:48,660 --> 01:35:50,730Dave Jones: mere mortals podcastcar and I'm gonna I'm gonna be148301:35:50,730 --> 01:35:53,730on his show tomorrow. We'rerecording. Oh, cool.148401:35:53,790 --> 01:35:55,260Adam Curry: That'd be you'vebeen on the show. Haven't you148501:35:55,260 --> 01:35:55,890ever been on before?148601:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,340Dave Jones: Yes. second timer.Yeah, I'm gonna have to make up148701:35:59,340 --> 01:36:02,460a bunch of stuff about my life.That's not true to compete with148801:36:02,460 --> 01:36:03,120Sam I148901:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,600Adam Curry: know. Man, Sam Sam.Quite the life there. You know149001:36:06,600 --> 01:36:10,470he was a firefighter he was aparatrooper. No,149101:36:10,890 --> 01:36:12,990Unknown: I thought you werefirefighter to the wine149201:36:12,990 --> 01:36:13,560importer,149301:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,990Adam Curry: the wine importer.He was found on the steps of the149401:36:15,990 --> 01:36:18,810church I mean this whole call hehas quite a quite a history.149501:36:19,170 --> 01:36:24,000Dave Jones: Trey Karen's gonnabe like you you were fewer found149601:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,900on the on the now in a bag in awicker basket. And I'll yeah,149701:36:27,900 --> 01:36:29,850that was nice. For us.149801:36:32,310 --> 01:36:35,190Adam Curry: Nothing, nothing,nothing quite like the isobar149901:36:35,220 --> 01:36:38,100Oh, nice. WordPress. I'd lovethat thing.150001:36:40,080 --> 01:36:43,590Dave Jones: 2222 from Kira, andhe says decentralization tends150101:36:43,590 --> 01:36:46,230to get mixed with selfsovereignty. I have five or six150201:36:46,230 --> 01:36:49,350separate wallets, and none ofthem are self hosted. I feel150301:36:49,350 --> 01:36:51,630that it is significantly moredecentralized than a single150401:36:51,630 --> 01:36:57,780point of incompetent failure,aka myself. No, that is a good150501:36:57,780 --> 01:37:02,580point, though. If it would bebetter for you to have an lb150601:37:02,580 --> 01:37:07,140wallet. And an ln your ln paywallet. It'd be better for you150701:37:07,140 --> 01:37:11,430to have three centralizedwallets than one umbrella that150801:37:11,430 --> 01:37:13,620you don't know how to run andyou have screwed and you screw150901:37:13,620 --> 01:37:16,140it up all the time. Yeah, that'sprobably he's probably right.151001:37:16,140 --> 01:37:16,260And151101:37:16,260 --> 01:37:19,830Adam Curry: I gotta tell you, mymy umbrella has been acting. I151201:37:19,830 --> 01:37:22,770don't know what the problem isthat the Raspberry Pi's they151301:37:22,770 --> 01:37:25,530just don't do well with powermanagement and your your151401:37:26,070 --> 01:37:31,800external hard drives. It getswonky real quick. And then And151501:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,650then if you're running somethinglike Oh, I don't know, a noster151601:37:34,650 --> 01:37:39,270client snort on your Umbral.Yeah, I had to uninstall that.151701:37:39,510 --> 01:37:43,530It just drives the it spikes theCPU spikes the CPU to151801:37:44,070 --> 01:37:46,650Dave Jones: Yeah, now try runblues go on there. I don't think151901:37:46,650 --> 01:37:51,720so. I don't think so. SeeBrooklyn 112 4321 from curio152001:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,400caster, and he says gopodcasting?152101:37:53,430 --> 01:37:54,150Adam Curry: Yeah, thank you.152201:37:57,870 --> 01:38:01,530Dave Jones: Hope Bhoomi Boomisince 2100 says he says demoing152301:38:01,530 --> 01:38:04,350value for value. He did thatlast time so he's on. He's on a152401:38:04,350 --> 01:38:04,770tear152501:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,410Adam Curry: demo away man. We'regreat for demoing152601:38:08,220 --> 01:38:12,240Dave Jones: frozen frozen yearssince his 10,000 SATs hearing152701:38:12,240 --> 01:38:15,360Adam doing a top 10 countdownstyle music podcast as a DJ152801:38:15,360 --> 01:38:16,860would be amazing.152901:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,700Adam Curry: Thank you. Well,it's gonna happen man. It looks153001:38:20,700 --> 01:38:26,640like if we'll see what blows upthis week. Or blows up153101:38:27,030 --> 01:38:30,390Dave Jones: I'm gonna bepositive I think what if it just153201:38:30,390 --> 01:38:31,650works I think it's gonna work or153301:38:31,650 --> 01:38:34,020Adam Curry: if it just worksright off the bat by the way. We153401:38:34,020 --> 01:38:37,110just had a 100,000 sat come inif you don't mind who's153501:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,180Unknown: 20 is blades onlyImpala153601:38:42,180 --> 01:38:45,690Adam Curry: sir TJ the wrathfulAdam and Dave as a musician in153701:38:45,690 --> 01:38:49,500podcasting. 2.0 It's been heavyon my mind. I thought of153801:38:49,500 --> 01:38:52,650starting to podcast word episodewas a song a season would be an153901:38:52,650 --> 01:38:55,680album value for value. However,I just keep wishing there was a154001:38:55,680 --> 01:38:59,580music tab in my podcasting 2.0app. It'd be more organic and154101:38:59,580 --> 01:39:02,370real for artists and listenersand Spotify. I'd rather do music154201:39:02,370 --> 01:39:05,910V for V than played a Spotifystreaming game which I say154301:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,900everything's a scam. Thank youfor your courage. But looks like154401:39:09,900 --> 01:39:12,840we're working on it just foryou, sir. TJ the raffle that's154501:39:12,840 --> 01:39:18,780happening. It's happening. AndI'm just I'm still buzzing from154601:39:18,780 --> 01:39:22,950the whole idea that I can play asong on a podcast and that the154701:39:22,950 --> 01:39:28,560value blocks which is I mean,it's mind blowing to me and to154801:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,140Sam apparently who didn'tunderstand it just too hard.154901:39:33,210 --> 01:39:36,180Unknown: Now, it's not that I'vegot I've got to get a product155001:39:36,180 --> 01:39:37,470out the market. I know.155101:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,110Dave Jones: You're telling mewhat you're saying is we need to155201:39:40,110 --> 01:39:41,580stop doing stuff so you canactually155301:39:41,879 --> 01:39:44,039Adam Curry: stop slow down slowdown155401:39:45,780 --> 01:39:52,080Dave Jones: the video send us770 1551 says through fountain155501:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,110and he says thank you justcontributing a finish boob job155601:39:55,110 --> 01:40:03,420for you is 71 Oh is 70 155 One'sa finished boob for you. Boost155701:40:03,780 --> 01:40:07,440boost. Turns out boobs are a tadmore pricey around here. Yeah155801:40:07,440 --> 01:40:10,380challenge everybody to donate aboob in their own language.155901:40:10,620 --> 01:40:14,820Adam Curry: Oh, so maybe thatwell a boo would be 808 I don't156001:40:14,820 --> 01:40:16,620know. We'll take it thank you.156101:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,900Dave Jones: Upset Sasha Larissafrom Joel wn no no Thank you156201:40:21,900 --> 01:40:29,220Joel slewed sent us 1098 testingto show a friend lots of demo156301:40:29,220 --> 01:40:33,930and going on the dirty Jerseyhorror came in with 19 760 says156401:40:33,930 --> 01:40:35,520go podcasting y'all be good156501:40:35,550 --> 01:40:40,020Adam Curry: yo man thank youvery much podcast. Sir dirty156601:40:40,020 --> 01:40:40,740Jersey whore.156701:40:41,670 --> 01:40:44,970Dave Jones: Jean been 8649through cast thematic he says I156801:40:44,970 --> 01:40:48,060like the idea of tags followingthe Unix philosophy of doing one156901:40:48,060 --> 01:40:51,240thing and doing it well. By theway, the boost amount is the t157001:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,070nine version of the word Unix.157101:40:53,310 --> 01:40:57,870Adam Curry: Ooh t nine. By theway, we just t nine.157201:40:58,710 --> 01:40:59,550Dave Jones: What is t nine?157301:40:59,640 --> 01:41:06,090Adam Curry: This isn't me isn'tt nine. The t nine is the it's157401:41:06,090 --> 01:41:07,800not the predictive text.157501:41:09,630 --> 01:41:12,030Dave Jones: T not as predictivetext technology. Okay, all157601:41:12,030 --> 01:41:13,230right. It gets you to157701:41:13,620 --> 01:41:18,600Adam Curry: SD Steven B rightlysays in a new boost. Tell sir TJ157801:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,930to check out curio caster whichhas a music tab or Ellen beats,157901:41:22,170 --> 01:41:24,690which is a dedicated V for Vmusic player. I don't know what158001:41:24,690 --> 01:41:30,030the URL is from Ellen beats.Change the MSP to Ellen beats.158101:41:30,510 --> 01:41:32,430Dave Jones: I don't know whatNo, that's right. That's right.158201:41:32,430 --> 01:41:32,640Yeah.158301:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,790Adam Curry: I like to know likeEllen beach.com. Or that's a158401:41:35,790 --> 01:41:38,010good name. It's a great name. Ilike that a lot.158501:41:38,430 --> 01:41:42,840Dave Jones: Mike, Mike Dale,Todd's partner in crime 1701158601:41:42,840 --> 01:41:49,500Star Trek nerd boost. He knows1701 Right. No, that's the158701:41:49,530 --> 01:41:53,100that's the nomenclature, themodel number of the enterprise158801:41:53,190 --> 01:41:54,570NCC 1701 This158901:41:54,570 --> 01:42:00,030Adam Curry: is where Hey, okay,stop the show. First of all, ln159001:42:00,030 --> 01:42:03,270beach.com It looks cool. Stevendidn't even see that. Second.159101:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,620You've got to tell everybodyabout your selfie with William159201:42:07,620 --> 01:42:08,190Shatner.159301:42:08,940 --> 01:42:13,050Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, itwas a scam. That's what it was.159401:42:13,380 --> 01:42:18,750This is a huge scam. If you evergo to a Comic Con, and you and159501:42:18,750 --> 01:42:21,660you have the option to get yourpicture made with the Star Trek159601:42:21,660 --> 01:42:27,090guys for Shatner individually.Say no. Because this is this is159701:42:27,090 --> 01:42:29,640how it happens. This is great.By159801:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,410Adam Curry: the way. It washorrible.159901:42:31,440 --> 01:42:35,670Dave Jones: So what what did youhave? You can buy in advance you160001:42:35,670 --> 01:42:40,890can buy in advance like you paidYeah, paid via you pay for it.160101:42:41,070 --> 01:42:48,780Dude, this guy Shatner at hisbooth has it's like $120 for an160201:42:48,780 --> 01:42:52,890autographed picture. And thenand that includes two words like160301:42:53,550 --> 01:43:03,060like like Fox you in for everyadditional word is 30 bucks. So160401:43:03,060 --> 01:43:03,300this160501:43:04,500 --> 01:43:06,840Adam Curry: Oh man, I'm in thewrong business.160601:43:07,890 --> 01:43:11,130Dave Jones: Then then the forthe picture you pay in advance.160701:43:11,130 --> 01:43:12,900You have like these differentpackages. You can get your160801:43:12,900 --> 01:43:17,070picture made with just Shatnerwith Shatner plus the Star Trek160901:43:17,100 --> 01:43:19,500Next Generation crew was there'sall these different161001:43:19,500 --> 01:43:23,550configuration packages. Oh, no.Yes packages. So you get in161101:43:23,550 --> 01:43:28,440there. And then in the way it'sset up is there's Shatner and161201:43:28,440 --> 01:43:32,490the Star Trek people on on oneside of a piece of plexiglass.161301:43:33,480 --> 01:43:36,210And you on the other side,you're not even anywhere close161401:43:36,210 --> 01:43:38,190to there. Four feet five feetaway, so161501:43:38,190 --> 01:43:41,700Adam Curry: none of your cootiescan float onto them. Yes, right.161601:43:41,730 --> 01:43:44,460Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly. Soyou're like, everybody can161701:43:44,460 --> 01:43:47,280everybody in the all the patientbase kind of leaning as much as161801:43:47,280 --> 01:43:47,700they can.161901:43:51,900 --> 01:43:54,420Adam Curry: You can see theplexi glasses and shadows just162001:43:54,420 --> 01:43:57,300sitting there. Like, you know,like Weekend at Bernie's, like,162101:43:57,510 --> 01:43:58,530oh, yeah,162201:43:59,070 --> 01:44:01,140Dave Jones: you go you gothrough and they look at you162301:44:01,140 --> 01:44:03,240through the plexiglass andthey're light and I'm just like,162401:44:03,270 --> 01:44:04,620I don't know what Hey,162501:44:05,549 --> 01:44:08,309Adam Curry: could they hear it?You need this prison phones?162601:44:08,729 --> 01:44:10,379That would make it perfect.Yeah,162701:44:10,590 --> 01:44:13,860Dave Jones: yes, exactly. No, donot pay for this people.162801:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,890Adam Curry: It's I'm sorry. I'mdying. I know you were excited.162901:44:16,890 --> 01:44:18,060And that's very disappointing.163001:44:18,510 --> 01:44:21,000Dave Jones: Yeah, it was but weget to see lots of nerds so that163101:44:21,000 --> 01:44:21,300was fun.163201:44:23,250 --> 01:44:25,140Adam Curry: Yay for nerds. Good.163301:44:25,620 --> 01:44:29,160Dave Jones: Bill Prague. 5000SATs at the fountain. He says163401:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,260yes, Hive does havedecentralized identities and163501:44:31,260 --> 01:44:34,680comments, ensure better keys anda better keys architecture. You163601:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,810can leak your key and not loseyour account.163701:44:37,530 --> 01:44:38,520Adam Curry: Oh,163801:44:39,900 --> 01:44:43,380Dave Jones: anonymous notethrough cast MATIC 22 two to two163901:44:43,380 --> 01:44:44,370big row ducks.164001:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,680Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank youduck. So mom's good.164101:44:52,020 --> 01:44:55,200Dave Jones: pricy pants 10,000SATs through fountain How about164201:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,830a juice cast app? I wouldwillingly pay 50 cents an164301:44:58,830 --> 01:45:02,490episode like the OG bucks as atruck driver, I listen all day164401:45:02,490 --> 01:45:05,670every day and 2.0 is awesome.But I just can't boost every164501:45:05,670 --> 01:45:09,420show but what essentially wouldbut would easily pay 50 cents if164601:45:09,420 --> 01:45:12,540I could queue it up. That's agreat idea for an app. There's164701:45:12,930 --> 01:45:15,120Adam Curry: this Elon beatslooks nice by the way.164801:45:17,730 --> 01:45:19,590Dave Jones: It's not justrebranded MSP.164901:45:19,620 --> 01:45:24,150Adam Curry: Yeah, but it looksnice. Okay. Cool logo was I165001:45:24,150 --> 01:45:25,320don't know he did somethingdifferent.165101:45:25,620 --> 01:45:27,900Dave Jones: That is a good logolooks nice. Looks real nice.165201:45:28,680 --> 01:45:33,060That is a good idea for an appthough. We Bouchard a random165301:45:33,060 --> 01:45:35,280song. I mean, get to pick asong. Yeah, that'd165401:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,450Adam Curry: be great. lined itup.165501:45:36,510 --> 01:45:41,340Dave Jones: You bet. Comic Stripblogger. 15. Oh, 33. Now this is165601:45:41,340 --> 01:45:45,060his reduced boost from last weekevidently. Because we didn't165701:45:45,060 --> 01:45:46,350have a show but he still boostedus.165801:45:46,380 --> 01:45:47,490Adam Curry: Thank you.Appreciate it.165901:45:48,060 --> 01:45:50,490Dave Jones: He says, Dear AC, Iwanted to take a moment to send166001:45:50,490 --> 01:45:53,100you my warmest wishes as yourecover from your recent dental166101:45:53,100 --> 01:45:56,070surgery. Remember, healing takestime. So be patient with166201:45:56,070 --> 01:45:59,250yourself. Do not rush theprocess. Take this opportunity166301:45:59,250 --> 01:46:01,860to rest rejuvenate and focus onyour health. Follow your166401:46:01,860 --> 01:46:04,830doctor's advice, keep a positivemindset and you will be back to166501:46:04,830 --> 01:46:07,590normal routine before you knowit sending healing vibes your166601:46:07,590 --> 01:46:09,870way Yossi as well. Thank youCSB.166701:46:09,870 --> 01:46:12,480Adam Curry: Well, I took youradvice. And today at school and166801:46:12,480 --> 01:46:15,360here I say school your drugs166901:46:16,530 --> 01:46:17,880Dave Jones: except the ones yourdoctor gets167001:46:18,480 --> 01:46:20,550Adam Curry: shitty drugs. Ididn't get any good drugs this167101:46:20,550 --> 01:46:23,640time. Good drugs. Borlaug. 1701167201:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,220Dave Jones: Oh, says wanted tosay thank you and I'm still167301:46:26,220 --> 01:46:29,070trying to find my own specialamount to boost as a signature167401:46:29,160 --> 01:46:33,330like all the cool kids do thisin honor of Mr. Jones. Oh, thank167501:46:33,330 --> 01:46:37,710you. That's so cool. 1776 fromLyceum, Martin Lyndsay go167601:46:37,710 --> 01:46:42,270Liberty boost of 1776 Satoshisgo podcasting. 2.0 got a great167701:46:42,300 --> 01:46:46,680online event on my digitaltownhall talking about new167801:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,740podcast apps value for valuemodel namespace tags, etc.167901:46:50,130 --> 01:46:53,310Thanks to Bhumi of Alby Sam ofpod fans at all for showing168001:46:53,310 --> 01:46:55,710interest in my event and I willhave this kind of live streaming168101:46:55,710 --> 01:46:57,510event once a month. MartinLinda's go168201:46:57,540 --> 01:46:59,880Adam Curry: hi. Oh, Sam, couldyou do me a favor? Could you168301:46:59,910 --> 01:47:04,620email me right now? Ourlightning wallet that I can put168401:47:04,620 --> 01:47:09,420your split for this episode infor sure. Yeah. And Steven B168501:47:09,420 --> 01:47:12,780says LM beats lets you build aplaylist and send a set amount168601:47:12,780 --> 01:47:15,600of SAS at the end of each songpretty much lets you build your168701:47:15,600 --> 01:47:19,470own jukebox. Jukebox in a box168801:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,810Dave Jones: Steven B 3333through curio caster Of course168901:47:24,810 --> 01:47:28,980he says in the immortal words ofjuveniles girl You look so good169001:47:28,980 --> 01:47:30,570once you boost back that addsup.169101:47:32,670 --> 01:47:35,220Adam Curry: Boost backs boostthat bass backs come on come on169201:47:35,220 --> 01:47:35,790come on come on.169301:47:36,630 --> 01:47:40,290Dave Jones: PS those a bet thosebacksides not three seconds in169401:47:40,290 --> 01:47:47,580boost amount don't understandNo. See era statica 50,000 SATs169501:47:47,610 --> 01:47:51,510Hi Sue fountain as always greatwork guys booster grands rule if169601:47:51,510 --> 01:47:57,120you're new. And you do to Genebeen 20 to 22 roadex is just169701:47:57,120 --> 01:48:01,020sending a test from the castematic beta that now uses lb Oh169801:48:01,020 --> 01:48:03,990yeah, that's right cast O Maticis rolling out lb support cool.169901:48:04,470 --> 01:48:07,200The migration of sass from thelegacy wallet to lb could not170001:48:07,200 --> 01:48:08,010have been easier.170101:48:10,110 --> 01:48:16,620Adam Curry: is ln pay now? Likeaddition, decommission legacy170201:48:17,010 --> 01:48:19,200Dave Jones: forever. I guesswe're just gonna have to we're170301:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,110just gonna have to monitor andsee how long it takes for170401:48:22,110 --> 01:48:22,800everyone to buy170501:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,570Unknown: it off. Yeah, okay.170601:48:26,250 --> 01:48:31,590Dave Jones: Boom is 2100 now Iguess he's doing another demo. A170701:48:32,130 --> 01:48:36,960huddle rodeos. And as for 20says, it says on wave lake a170801:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,440feed is created for each album,which can have additional tracks170901:48:40,440 --> 01:48:43,770published to it after initiatingit a feed is not created until171001:48:43,770 --> 01:48:48,240an album with at least onetracks published here is tracks171101:48:48,240 --> 01:48:51,600from debasement by debased ghostOkay, so he's linking to that.171201:48:51,690 --> 01:48:54,960Adam Curry: Okay, I think Ithink I saw that on LM beats171301:48:54,990 --> 01:48:58,500what what's it called? What'sthe name of the what was that171401:48:58,500 --> 01:48:59,400debasement171501:48:59,610 --> 01:49:05,670Dave Jones: was the bet yeah,they just deleted debase. I'm171601:49:05,670 --> 01:49:07,590sorry, I don't know how to getit back. What's the I don't have171701:49:07,590 --> 01:49:15,480to get back? I'm in Thunderbird.Why? Why on earth? It because I171801:49:15,480 --> 01:49:18,480know why. Because it's the onlyone that reliably shows me171901:49:19,080 --> 01:49:19,860emojis172001:49:19,950 --> 01:49:24,660Adam Curry: and doing boostsredoing all of Thunderbird. I172101:49:24,660 --> 01:49:28,560heard about that. Yeah. And alsoand with that, the what would I172201:49:28,560 --> 01:49:34,230use canine for for my graphingOS that will that will also be172301:49:34,230 --> 01:49:35,880completely upgraded and fixed.172401:49:36,330 --> 01:49:37,890Dave Jones: You know, he's muchon graphing.172501:49:39,900 --> 01:49:43,440Adam Curry: I still fire upmight you know I need because172601:49:43,440 --> 01:49:47,970we're crazy. might have somegreat sorting capabilities is a172701:49:47,970 --> 01:49:49,410lot of reasons to use mud.172801:49:50,460 --> 01:49:53,910Dave Jones: Comics for yourblogger, the delimiter 30 3015.172901:49:54,390 --> 01:49:57,450He says, dashing Dave andelectric electric bus I don't173001:49:57,450 --> 01:49:59,970even know what that word means.What is alacrity is me luck.173101:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,030Adam Curry: To bed and Sam, areyou still with us?173201:50:03,360 --> 01:50:04,650Unknown: I am. I am.173301:50:05,070 --> 01:50:07,350Adam Curry: I just want to makesure you're alive. keeled over173401:50:07,620 --> 01:50:11,100elantas saying what isElectress? Let me search it.173501:50:11,700 --> 01:50:14,100Dave Jones: Dashing Dave andelectric is Adam, it is173601:50:14,730 --> 01:50:17,520Unknown: outside ship for youbut I can't even say,173701:50:18,150 --> 01:50:23,610Adam Curry: cheerful. Biddyeager at that sounds like me.173801:50:25,020 --> 01:50:28,170Dave Jones: Your dedicated focusbringing 2.0 developments to the173901:50:28,170 --> 01:50:32,700people of planet podcast is akinto a Herculean human effort174001:50:32,790 --> 01:50:36,300building the Ancient Wonders ofthe World. The AI dot cooking174101:50:36,300 --> 01:50:39,480podcast show is worth promotingbecause it is a bi weekly174201:50:39,480 --> 01:50:42,840roundup of curated news itemsabout artificial intelligence,174301:50:42,930 --> 01:50:46,380which is being set up as thefall guy for elitist mistakes,174401:50:46,440 --> 01:50:50,760manipulating them, subscribe toit, because to be understood,174501:50:50,790 --> 01:50:54,510first, you must understand yousee us being worth174601:50:55,140 --> 01:50:58,470Adam Curry: THANK YOU GUYS AIdoc cooking everybody. Nothing174701:50:58,470 --> 01:51:02,670like them supporting a show thatslams ai i think that's that's174801:51:02,700 --> 01:51:04,620very, very poetic in a way.174901:51:05,490 --> 01:51:09,600Dave Jones: monthlies. We getCameron Rose $25 Sean McCune $20175001:51:09,630 --> 01:51:14,880Christopher Raymer $10 JamesSullivan $10 con glass Buck $5175101:51:15,210 --> 01:51:20,820Jordan Dunnville $10 MichaelKimmer $5.33 Lesley Martin $2175201:51:21,090 --> 01:51:27,300Dred Scott $15 Aaron Reno. $5Pedro gun calvess $5 Chad175301:51:27,300 --> 01:51:34,710Pharaoh $20.22. Scott Jalbert$12 Martin Linda's code $1 Mark175401:51:34,710 --> 01:51:39,690Graham $1. Joseph maraca $5 andJeremy new $5. That's our group.175501:51:39,839 --> 01:51:41,729Adam Curry: And thank you allvery much for supporting175601:51:41,729 --> 01:51:46,859podcasting 2.0 the podcast thetime that we put in the servers,175701:51:46,949 --> 01:51:51,059really everything that we haverunning. And it also of course,175801:51:51,089 --> 01:51:54,359everything you do in Satoshisgoes straight into the node. We175901:51:54,359 --> 01:51:57,929don't take that out. We use thatfor for liquidity. Anybody who176001:51:57,929 --> 01:52:01,499needs it, we're happy to providethat to even at these crazy high176101:52:01,499 --> 01:52:06,149fees. Man, I saw a 55 visa feethe other day,176201:52:06,180 --> 01:52:08,190Dave Jones: Holy God Almighty.176301:52:09,450 --> 01:52:11,580Adam Curry: And when you'reopening a million SATs, it's176401:52:11,580 --> 01:52:15,630like oh, okay, well do a halfhour here instead of what was an176501:52:15,630 --> 01:52:19,500hour instead of half hour.Again, podcast index.org. The176601:52:19,500 --> 01:52:23,520bottom that you can find a spotto dog big donate button for176701:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,340your pay pal. But we reallyappreciate if you get one of176801:52:26,340 --> 01:52:30,510those modern apps at podcastapps.com and use that to boost176901:52:30,510 --> 01:52:34,740us it's very much appreciated.Sam, we're very appreciative of177001:52:34,740 --> 01:52:37,680the time, talent and treasure,you are also a frequent booster177101:52:37,980 --> 01:52:41,250now that you've put into to thewhole project. And I'm so177201:52:41,250 --> 01:52:45,240excited to see pod fans takeoff. And it's the as you know,177301:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,870we're happy to promote and doanything. And so whenever you're177401:52:48,870 --> 01:52:51,120ready for the for the heavyhand, we're here for you,177501:52:51,120 --> 01:52:51,480brother.177601:52:52,020 --> 01:52:54,240Unknown: Oh, nice. Thanks, Adam.And Dave, I mean, look, you177701:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,700know, none of this would bepossible without YouTube. And I177801:52:56,700 --> 01:52:57,870so thank you very much.177901:52:58,410 --> 01:53:01,020Adam Curry: We've sprouted somany businesses and careers.178001:53:01,020 --> 01:53:01,950We're so proud.178101:53:04,530 --> 01:53:07,830Unknown: Right, Dave? Havingwatching your children grow out178201:53:07,830 --> 01:53:07,980and178301:53:09,360 --> 01:53:10,200Dave Jones: children?178401:53:10,589 --> 01:53:12,389Adam Curry: Well, go ahead.178501:53:12,900 --> 01:53:15,180Dave Jones: No, I've got I'vegot too many kids already. I178601:53:15,180 --> 01:53:15,840don't need more.178701:53:16,650 --> 01:53:18,900Adam Curry: And they never getoff the payroll for some reason.178801:53:21,030 --> 01:53:23,670You know, that's interesting,because I we rarely think of it178901:53:23,670 --> 01:53:27,330that way. But I think from timeto time, maybe once every six179001:53:27,330 --> 01:53:31,710months, we'll be like, Wow, thisis kind of cool. This thing we179101:53:31,710 --> 01:53:35,070started when I would textmessage. Hey, this is kind of179201:53:35,070 --> 01:53:36,900cool. What's happening here? Whowould have thunk?179301:53:37,530 --> 01:53:39,450Dave Jones: I think it hits mewhen we don't get the chance to179401:53:39,450 --> 01:53:42,840do a show. Like what like lastFriday when it's like, I just179501:53:42,840 --> 01:53:46,080want to just get the edge likeI'm not sure I'm not. I just179601:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,660want to do it because there's somuch going on there. So I mean,179701:53:48,660 --> 01:53:51,090like, I've got a whole page ofstuff that we didn't even get to179801:53:52,830 --> 01:53:56,760Adam Curry: tell me what. So Ican put it in my in my brain.179901:53:57,180 --> 01:53:57,900For next180001:53:58,680 --> 01:54:03,720Dave Jones: chat. The chat tag.We made some changes to it. The180101:54:03,840 --> 01:54:08,340we put some attributes on it.Alex's peer tube. Oh, yeah,180201:54:08,340 --> 01:54:12,390Adam Curry: it was all thatyeah, pod. Pod roll,180301:54:12,540 --> 01:54:15,990Dave Jones: get some things weneed to read. We need to talk180401:54:15,990 --> 01:54:19,680about that. And we need to talkabout remote item. I had a whole180501:54:19,680 --> 01:54:23,610thing I was going to try. I wasgoing to try to convince sand to180601:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,460embrace remote item with bothhands. You want to try that180701:54:26,460 --> 01:54:26,730before180801:54:26,730 --> 01:54:28,710Adam Curry: we leave you wantyou want to hold on to it. You180901:54:28,710 --> 01:54:29,700want to hold on to that.181001:54:30,510 --> 01:54:32,610Dave Jones: I will I will holdon to because I know you get a181101:54:32,610 --> 01:54:33,180heart out.181201:54:34,410 --> 01:54:37,500Adam Curry: Yes, I do. I have mypost op post op post. I've gotta181301:54:37,500 --> 01:54:40,140go Yeah, I do. I Yeah. Okay.181401:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,750Unknown: And with Pedro, can Ijust say can we keep it simple,181501:54:42,780 --> 01:54:43,620it works.181601:54:44,310 --> 01:54:47,460Dave Jones: It I think we cankeep it simple. With Remote181701:54:47,460 --> 01:54:51,360item. I promise you it will notbe Oh will not make it any more181801:54:51,360 --> 01:54:52,050complicated.181901:54:52,110 --> 01:54:54,030Adam Curry: What you're gonnaput yourself in my remote items182001:54:54,030 --> 01:54:55,470is going to be a part of podroll.182101:54:55,980 --> 01:54:58,830Dave Jones: That I think itneeds to be because actually182201:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,370this is the thing Remote itemand I just said I was going to182301:55:02,370 --> 01:55:08,820do it I'm doing it remote itemis is is got to be the official182401:55:08,820 --> 01:55:14,220way to reference an externalpiece of content. It just has to182501:55:14,220 --> 01:55:17,610be big it had there has to be astructure because here, let me182601:55:17,610 --> 01:55:20,910boil down remote item into intohis most simple basic form182701:55:21,300 --> 01:55:27,270remote item with one attributethat is feed that is feed good.182801:55:27,990 --> 01:55:31,800It's just that so your pod rolecan have, instead of a list of182901:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,800goo is separated by a comma, itcan just have a list of remote183001:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,790items with a feed good. It'sessentially the same thing. But183101:55:38,790 --> 01:55:42,990the the reason we need remoteitem to exist, it has to be183201:55:42,990 --> 01:55:46,440there has to be thisstandardized way of referring to183301:55:46,470 --> 01:55:51,450a piece of content in a in aremote piece and remote feed. So183401:55:51,450 --> 01:55:56,550your remote item remote item isit can be as simple as just a183501:55:56,550 --> 01:56:01,320feed good. Or it can be the feedGu id plus the item. Good. So183601:56:01,320 --> 01:56:05,940now you're referencing andremote episode. Or it can be the183701:56:05,940 --> 01:56:14,160feed guid plus plus a feed URLplus a Episode Good. And now Now183801:56:14,190 --> 01:56:18,990that gives you and here here'shere's the issue for apps that183901:56:18,990 --> 01:56:23,460don't have their own back end,like antenna pod or caste184001:56:23,460 --> 01:56:29,010ematic. If we just use Gu IDs,they they're going to be184101:56:29,010 --> 01:56:34,200hamstrung because they won't,they'll have to do lookups when184201:56:34,200 --> 01:56:37,740they go to resolve the GUID tofind the URL, and they may not184301:56:37,740 --> 01:56:42,540have like cast ematic Francodoesn't even have a server. So184401:56:42,660 --> 01:56:46,620where do you go to get that goodresolution? So I think we have184501:56:46,620 --> 01:56:51,960to have something that offerslike layered fallbacks. And I184601:56:51,960 --> 01:56:56,220think remote item is just asimple, it's a very simple tag,184701:56:56,220 --> 01:57:02,100it just says, here's a way toreference an external item. And184801:57:02,100 --> 01:57:05,310so then if we use that as thebuilding block to build up pod184901:57:05,310 --> 01:57:10,200roll in, and then other thingslike that's essentially what185001:57:10,200 --> 01:57:14,760we're doing with with value timesplit, then there you go. Like185101:57:14,760 --> 01:57:16,950you can just plug and play thisthing is like Lego blocks, it185201:57:16,950 --> 01:57:22,680can go anywhere. Pod sage hasspoken. Did I sell it? Is it185301:57:22,680 --> 01:57:23,280sold?185401:57:23,730 --> 01:57:26,370Adam Curry: I pay you money justto never say that thing again.185501:57:29,820 --> 01:57:34,380Like crushing you last? No, no,you I, I'm I'm like jazz,185601:57:34,380 --> 01:57:38,430whatever. Dave says, My brainhurts my brain hurt from that.185701:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,460Unknown: To be fair, if you lookat the current pod, bro, you got185801:57:41,460 --> 01:57:45,600rally calls, channel rally cars,Episode, rally calls, whatever,185901:57:46,170 --> 01:57:50,010replace rally calls with remoteitem price, fundamentally,186001:57:50,010 --> 01:57:52,920you're doing the same thing. SoI get it. It's not that186101:57:52,920 --> 01:57:57,120difficult to implement. It's acase of, again, if everyone186201:57:57,120 --> 01:58:00,240agrees on on what we're going todo then then then the app186301:58:00,240 --> 01:58:02,970developers like, you know, wecan get on with it. But I think186401:58:02,970 --> 01:58:05,820he's a moving target. So theeasiest one for us to do to186501:58:05,820 --> 01:58:09,780prove that there was actually away of going forward was to just186601:58:09,780 --> 01:58:14,520do the GUID comma element withinthe pop role. And that worked186701:58:14,520 --> 01:58:17,910straight away. So that was whywe did it. But obviously, if we186801:58:17,910 --> 01:58:21,420think, you know, we can extendit with value then we'll do it.186901:58:22,110 --> 01:58:27,240Dave Jones: I will trade you Iwill trade you. REL equals for187001:58:27,270 --> 01:58:28,170remote item.187101:58:28,620 --> 01:58:30,960Unknown: That's what I'm sayingthough. It's very easy to do.187201:58:31,380 --> 01:58:34,140This is old tell me that's thestandard then we'll do it.187301:58:34,710 --> 01:58:35,190Sweet.187401:58:35,340 --> 01:58:36,420Adam Curry: We have an agreement187501:58:36,840 --> 01:58:39,030Dave Jones: now and we have anagreement and then I'm gonna187601:58:39,030 --> 01:58:42,420post it on the discussion thingand Kevin Kevin from Buzzsprout187701:58:42,420 --> 01:58:43,560is gonna be like no187801:58:46,980 --> 01:58:49,080Adam Curry: I'm gonna back you.I'm backing you Dave. I'm187901:58:49,080 --> 01:58:49,740backing you.188001:58:50,910 --> 01:58:53,160Dave Jones: I'm building myteam. That's right.188101:58:53,160 --> 01:58:55,320Adam Curry: Yes. Right. We gotDave's army right here. We're188201:58:55,320 --> 01:58:58,710back in the pod sage all the waypod sage all the way Hey, hey ho188301:58:58,710 --> 01:59:00,390ho pod shades are the way to go.188401:59:01,230 --> 01:59:04,320Dave Jones: Mode army metallized188501:59:04,350 --> 01:59:07,800Adam Curry: Sam Southie podfans.fm. Sam, thank you so much188601:59:07,800 --> 01:59:11,580for being with us. Have a greatevening. And enjoy painting your188701:59:11,580 --> 01:59:16,200nails tomorrow. While whileChuck will chuck does his thing188801:59:16,200 --> 01:59:16,590there188901:59:16,740 --> 01:59:18,060Dave Jones: while the worldburns189001:59:18,150 --> 01:59:21,540Adam Curry: throughout theworld. Dave my brother had189101:59:21,540 --> 01:59:25,050yourself a great weekend. He tome chat room. Thank you all very189201:59:25,050 --> 01:59:28,710much. And we will return in oneweek from now for another board189301:59:28,710 --> 01:59:32,550meeting of podcasting 2.0 Andthank you all very much for189401:59:32,550 --> 01:59:35,190boosting us and supporting us.We'll see you then take care189501:59:35,190 --> 01:59:36,360everybody bye bye.189601:59:52,230 --> 01:59:56,130Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 to visit189701:59:56,130 --> 01:59:59,970podcasts in this dashboard. Formore information go to law189802:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,010Dave Jones: Just a shamelesshorror