Episode 130: For All The Drummers

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,520Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0For April 21 2023, episode 130200:00:05,550 --> 00:00:11,130for all the drummers out there.Oh man, it's Friday. Once again,300:00:11,130 --> 00:00:15,000it is time for podcasting. 2.0the only boardroom that won't400:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,540accept a PowerPoint pitch fromanybody. That's what we do hear.500:00:18,570 --> 00:00:22,050We're running with scissors andscotch tape. Everything600:00:22,050 --> 00:00:26,730happening in the current day ageof modern podcasting, everything700:00:26,730 --> 00:00:29,820going on with the namespacepodcast index.org. And of course800:00:29,820 --> 00:00:33,240what we're all yapping about apodcast index dot social. I'm900:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,670Adam curry here in the heart ofthe Texas Hill Country and in1000:00:35,670 --> 00:00:39,090Alabama, the coolest cucumber indisorganized product1100:00:39,090 --> 00:00:41,730development. Say hello to myfriend on the other end, ladies1200:00:41,730 --> 00:00:44,220and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.1300:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000Dave Jones: We get the show isgoing down. It's going downhill.1400:00:48,030 --> 00:00:50,640Adam Curry: Why were plummeting?What do you mean? We're1500:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,160plummeting? Oh, we're plummetingin the in the fountain chart?1600:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,640Dave Jones: No, we're in the OPthrees. Have you seen our op1700:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,060three page? It looks like astuck look at the stock market.1800:01:00,210 --> 00:01:01,470This is down down down down?1900:01:01,530 --> 00:01:06,120Adam Curry: To be honest. Inever look at the OP three2000:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,710pages. I don't have to that'snot how value for value works. I2100:01:10,710 --> 00:01:13,980don't care. Can I pay the rentis the question I ask every2200:01:13,980 --> 00:01:17,550month. That's pretty much it.And if I can't, then then we2300:01:17,550 --> 00:01:18,240have a problem.2400:01:18,690 --> 00:01:21,030Dave Jones: Well, based on thedonations today, we can't pay2500:01:21,030 --> 00:01:21,300the rent.2600:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,440Adam Curry: You know, it hasbeen tough across the board.2700:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,570It's of course it's tax season.Although people should be2800:01:30,570 --> 00:01:33,990starting to get refunds prettysoon. And we certainly encourage2900:01:33,990 --> 00:01:36,330you to give your refund to theproject.3000:01:36,540 --> 00:01:38,550Dave Jones: It's like one ofthose sleazy businesses or like3100:01:38,550 --> 00:01:39,840we'll give you an advance on you3200:01:41,220 --> 00:01:43,470Adam Curry: know, you don't yetknow I mean, you know what we3300:01:43,500 --> 00:01:47,850John and I have successfullyasked people to consider their3400:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,570their their tax return as abonus, and share some of that3500:01:51,570 --> 00:01:53,550with the show was value forvalue and people have done it3600:01:53,550 --> 00:01:57,300consistently. It works reallywell. Not sleazy, you're talking3700:01:57,300 --> 00:01:57,570about3800:01:58,050 --> 00:02:00,810Dave Jones: you know, thoselike, we'll give you a will3900:02:00,810 --> 00:02:03,570advance your tax refund. Andwe'll just keep you know, well.4000:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,220Don't worry. We'll only keeplike 15%4100:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,670Adam Curry: Yes, I know thoseall too well. And here we go.4200:02:08,700 --> 00:02:12,360And people heard your call andonce and we're we're racing.4300:02:12,510 --> 00:02:14,970It's the lid stuff that worksand we are indeed lit that's4400:02:14,970 --> 00:02:18,960something you get with the witha with a funky, fresh new4500:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,070podcast app. Let's see we havepodcast attic, podcast, Guru,4600:02:23,370 --> 00:02:29,400pod verse, curio caster two ofthose at minimum with value for4700:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,670value in there. But just theidea that you get your your4800:02:32,670 --> 00:02:35,220stream, you get your chat room,you get everything all where you4900:02:35,220 --> 00:02:38,880get your podcasts and of course,in I think any podcasts and to5000:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,100point out almost every singleone of them. You can import your5100:02:41,100 --> 00:02:45,540old podcast subscriptions. Canyou actually use you can export5200:02:45,540 --> 00:02:49,620them from Spotify? Probably not.You know, what am I thinking?5300:02:49,649 --> 00:02:53,819Dave Jones: That's crazy talk,there's no way they would? They5400:02:53,819 --> 00:02:58,439would they will do value forvalue before they let you export5500:02:58,439 --> 00:02:59,669your feeds and OPML.5600:02:59,970 --> 00:03:03,210Adam Curry: Did I read that?Spotify has capitulated.5700:03:04,830 --> 00:03:06,990Dave Jones: Yeah, I thinkthey're capitulating across the5800:03:06,990 --> 00:03:09,960board. You hear they weretalking about them being? I saw5900:03:09,990 --> 00:03:12,870James's coverage of this andthey were like, We're open.6000:03:12,900 --> 00:03:16,290Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Weknow that they've applied6100:03:16,290 --> 00:03:18,900instead of saying, hey, you knowwhat, we really couldn't make6200:03:18,900 --> 00:03:22,410the money we expected to offerthe exclusives. Instead, they6300:03:22,410 --> 00:03:25,470say we've we've applied awindowing strategy,6400:03:26,940 --> 00:03:28,320Dave Jones: like the windowingstrategy.6500:03:28,590 --> 00:03:32,640Adam Curry: Now a windowingstrategy does it traditionally6600:03:32,640 --> 00:03:35,640comes from I believe, originallyfrom motion pictures, where6700:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,530you're first in the theater,then then you're on to like pay6800:03:40,530 --> 00:03:45,120movie channels back in the day,maybe HBO or Cinemax or6900:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,920Showtime. And or maybe even payper view first, I think you7000:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,130could do on demand, and then itwas one of the one of the7100:03:53,130 --> 00:03:57,300subscription services, then itwould be you know, chopped up7200:03:57,300 --> 00:04:00,960into a movie of the week. Andthen it would be in syndication.7300:04:01,620 --> 00:04:03,780And that's your windowingstrategy, but it just doesn't7400:04:03,780 --> 00:04:06,750make sense anymore. I mean,there used to be even reasoning7500:04:06,750 --> 00:04:09,660strategies. Do you remember thatwhen you could buy a DVD? It's7600:04:09,660 --> 00:04:12,780probably still the same way. Youcould buy a DVD in America, but7700:04:12,780 --> 00:04:14,070then you couldn't play it inEurope.7800:04:15,060 --> 00:04:16,920Dave Jones: Unless you the BluRay Blu Ray was saying is the7900:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,800same way. Yeah, yeah. It's likeIt's like region encoded or8000:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,530whatever I mean, which is, whichis so stupid because you can buy8100:04:22,530 --> 00:04:25,320a region free player. Yeah, thewhole thing is just dumb. And8200:04:25,320 --> 00:04:25,680you only8300:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,990Adam Curry: allowed to switchregions three times and then you8400:04:27,990 --> 00:04:30,300brick your device. I rememberthose days.8500:04:30,570 --> 00:04:34,140Dave Jones: These the streamingservices though, in general are8600:04:34,140 --> 00:04:39,090just sucking wind. Like musicstreaming and movie streaming.8700:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,430Adam Curry: Everybody's losingmoney. Everybody's losing money.8800:04:41,460 --> 00:04:45,030The Paramount plot lost $3billion. Oh, just start up. They8900:04:45,030 --> 00:04:46,050own the content.9000:04:48,780 --> 00:04:52,440Dave Jones: My favorite, myfavorite, it's so bad. It's so9100:04:52,440 --> 00:04:59,970bad. Now. That so if you if youonly have a subscription to HBO9200:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,700Max. Let's just Let's just dothis. You know, hypothetical9300:05:05,700 --> 00:05:09,510sanity check. If you have asubscription to HBO Max. Yeah.9400:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,950The one thing you would expectto be on HBO Max and available9500:05:13,950 --> 00:05:19,350at all times? Is the contentthat HBO max that HBO themselves9600:05:19,350 --> 00:05:22,710created? That's your own show.Yeah, that would seem logical.9700:05:23,100 --> 00:05:27,630Yes. That's not the case and whythey've now they've now given9800:05:27,780 --> 00:05:31,140exclusive rights to some oftheir shows to other streaming9900:05:31,140 --> 00:05:34,830platforms and taking it offtheir own platform. No way. We10000:05:34,830 --> 00:05:38,610only got through mimulus Onlygot through like, halfway10100:05:38,610 --> 00:05:42,630through season two of Westworld.Yeah, we went just on a on a10200:05:42,630 --> 00:05:45,750rare kid free night. The othernight we were like, Hey, let's10300:05:45,750 --> 00:05:49,170let's go. Catch up. Try to catchup on Westworld. Yeah, we10400:05:49,170 --> 00:05:53,490couldn't find it. On Max. Theythey, they gave it as an10500:05:53,490 --> 00:05:55,740exclusive to some otherstreaming platform and they've10600:05:55,740 --> 00:05:56,460taken it off their10700:05:57,570 --> 00:06:02,670Adam Curry: pathetic is thatmoney? Yeah, I know. Oh, hold10800:06:02,670 --> 00:06:02,940on.10900:06:04,920 --> 00:06:05,910Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, nice.11000:06:05,940 --> 00:06:09,270Adam Curry: 88,888 from theBruce Wayne podcast and Dr.11100:06:09,270 --> 00:06:15,150Scott. Thank you. And there's ananonymous person out there.11200:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,920Unknown: Shot Caller 20. Hisblades on him. Paula11300:06:19,950 --> 00:06:24,450Adam Curry: 121212121212.Anonymous. That's big from11400:06:24,450 --> 00:06:26,310anonymous. Thank you very muchanonymous, and11500:06:26,310 --> 00:06:28,500Dave Jones: we'd love Yes,Nathan, the MK Ultra chat is11600:06:28,500 --> 00:06:29,610running this week I posted.11700:06:29,670 --> 00:06:33,600Adam Curry: So how do I get intoMK Ultra chat? Is that? Did you11800:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,650post that somewhere?11900:06:36,180 --> 00:06:39,420Dave Jones: Almost just pastedin and hit Enter on my private12000:06:39,420 --> 00:06:40,800key. That was no no, no.12100:06:42,630 --> 00:06:44,550Adam Curry: Although fun,although12200:06:46,170 --> 00:06:47,730Unknown: I would have been aball. So how12300:06:47,730 --> 00:06:50,460Adam Curry: do people get intothat? I mean, how did Nathan get12400:06:50,460 --> 00:06:51,690it? How did you even know aboutit?12500:06:52,110 --> 00:06:56,520Dave Jones: You put the link inthe chat? Oh, I didn't see that.12600:06:56,550 --> 00:07:00,150Okay. Yeah, it's better now.It's better. Still got it's12700:07:00,150 --> 00:07:02,310still rough around the edges.But it's, but it's better.12800:07:02,340 --> 00:07:04,410Adam Curry: It remembers me.That's cool. Okay.12900:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,990Dave Jones: How'd you get an A?Oh,13000:07:07,020 --> 00:07:10,020Adam Curry: yeah. Remember meright away? Oh, give permission13100:07:10,050 --> 00:07:11,700authorized forever. Okay.13200:07:12,690 --> 00:07:15,360Dave Jones: Oh, you're so thiswas what was wrong with it last13300:07:15,360 --> 00:07:21,990week is the son the signing fromthe extensions. From the13400:07:21,990 --> 00:07:27,030extension, the nostre extensionswas not working. So that was13500:07:27,030 --> 00:07:31,200throwing everything off, that Ihad to go deep dive into that13600:07:31,200 --> 00:07:37,380turns out that the nostre toolsJavaScript library, which13700:07:37,410 --> 00:07:43,410underpins the nos 2x, browserextension for noster. Those are13800:07:43,410 --> 00:07:44,670two different versions. Well,this13900:07:44,670 --> 00:07:46,410Adam Curry: is Oh, it's notworking for me. Actually,14000:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,250interestingly enough. Let's see,what's it doing? Well, I see my14100:07:50,250 --> 00:07:53,820little icon there. So I'm, I'min the boardroom. I type14200:07:53,820 --> 00:07:58,830something like Hello. And Iclick on enter and it doesn't14300:07:58,830 --> 00:07:59,280show up.14400:08:00,300 --> 00:08:02,250Dave Jones: That you logged in.Well, I14500:08:02,250 --> 00:08:04,170Adam Curry: didn't have to login. It just showed up. My14600:08:04,170 --> 00:08:06,000picture. Was there. Do I have tolog in again,14700:08:06,030 --> 00:08:08,610Dave Jones: do no do a hardrefresh on your browser do like14800:08:08,610 --> 00:08:12,870a control shift are hard becauseyou may you may have the old14900:08:12,870 --> 00:08:16,110JavaScript code from previousiteration.15000:08:16,140 --> 00:08:20,010Unknown: Okay, let's see. Idon't like15100:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,980Dave Jones: the old JavaScriptbrowser extension talk.15200:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,380Adam Curry: No, it's not workingman.15300:08:26,670 --> 00:08:29,850Dave Jones: Why did you? What adowner? Well, I'm looking for15400:08:29,850 --> 00:08:30,240me.15500:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,080Adam Curry: Okay, I'm gonna doanother hard refresh. Our15600:08:34,320 --> 00:08:40,650refresh. The men's socks isbroken. Are you15700:08:40,650 --> 00:08:43,650Dave Jones: already logged in?Yes. How do I log in, log out15800:08:43,650 --> 00:08:46,440and log back in? How do I letyou log out by clicking on your15900:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,000little avatar at the top? Let's16000:08:49,470 --> 00:08:53,790Adam Curry: log out. Okay, bye.Okay, I go back to the rosters16100:08:55,620 --> 00:08:59,160announced this chat to yournoster feed. Sure. I'll be fun.16200:08:59,190 --> 00:08:59,670Okay.16300:09:00,150 --> 00:09:02,700Dave Jones: Just Adam curry justentered the room. Yes. Hey, Oh,16400:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,010okay. Well, hey. All right.There16500:09:05,010 --> 00:09:07,170Adam Curry: we go. All right.Hey, it works nice. So let's16600:09:07,170 --> 00:09:09,300talk about that right away. Whatwhat are we doing with this16700:09:09,300 --> 00:09:11,100thing? This is cool. I think.16800:09:13,980 --> 00:09:17,280Dave Jones: Well, it's funny ina funny way, this encompasses a16900:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,750lot of stuff that we kind ofneed to talk about. Okay. Um,17000:09:22,500 --> 00:09:25,140Adam Curry: oh, um, hold on onesec. I'm just looking at okay.17100:09:25,620 --> 00:09:28,830I'm just looking at my my nostroaccount and it says I joined the17200:09:28,830 --> 00:09:32,670live stream chat. Yeah, that'sright. Oh, so now people from17300:09:32,700 --> 00:09:38,040the snap store can come innostril from nostril? Yeah. Oh,17400:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,240that's kind of cool.17500:09:39,810 --> 00:09:44,040Dave Jones: Yeah, nice. If youhave a nostril account, identity17600:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,530already. You bring it you canbring it to the MK Ultra chat17700:09:49,590 --> 00:09:53,160and just log straight in. Andthen if you if you go up there17800:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,310to your next to your profilenext to your profile picture at17900:09:56,310 --> 00:10:01,020the top and uncheck that box.Yeah. Then you whenever you post18000:10:01,020 --> 00:10:06,120something, it will not only gointo the chat, it will also get18100:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,390posted back out to your nostrilrelays. So it's a two way18200:10:09,390 --> 00:10:10,860street. It comes in and out.18300:10:14,340 --> 00:10:17,190Adam Curry: This is prettydynamite. Dave. I like it. Yeah.18400:10:17,190 --> 00:10:22,050Okay. Okay, now, this is MKUltra. So Supposedly, this would18500:10:22,050 --> 00:10:26,280also work with IRC when there'sa bridge built to it. And then18600:10:26,310 --> 00:10:29,220what I type in here would alsogo back to IRC and what comes18700:10:29,220 --> 00:10:30,810from IRC would also come inhere.18800:10:31,980 --> 00:10:35,880Dave Jones: And, and activitypub. Wow, all of all of the18900:10:35,880 --> 00:10:41,370above. So the way you launchthis thing is with Oh, James is19000:10:41,370 --> 00:10:46,080listening live that's rare forhim. So there's, the way this19100:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,360thing sort of works is when youlaunch the the WebSocket. back19200:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,010end for this, you give it aunique identifier, which becomes19300:10:56,010 --> 00:11:01,110that Cid equals up in the URLbar. Yeah. And then you also19400:11:01,110 --> 00:11:09,720give it a a private Oh, excuseme a public key. So this, this19500:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,290would all like you, you can seethe linkages that would happen19600:11:13,290 --> 00:11:15,690here. So you could give it anactivity pub account you can19700:11:15,690 --> 00:11:20,250give it you give it all thesethings. And then it begins to19800:11:20,250 --> 00:11:24,600pull all this will start to pullall this stuff in the the final19900:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,330bit of the nostril part of thisI'm doing is trying to get as20000:11:27,330 --> 00:11:30,300the subscribe the nostrilsubscriber process, which is20100:11:30,690 --> 00:11:36,630which will go out there. And ifyou hashtag the session ID20200:11:36,630 --> 00:11:39,810that's the ID equals the web,the blah, blah, blah. So if you20300:11:39,810 --> 00:11:44,100hashtag that on a nostril relay,it would pull those posts back20400:11:44,100 --> 00:11:48,570into the chat. Wow. Okay, that'spretty cool. That is proving to20500:11:48,570 --> 00:11:52,620be pretty challenging. I canimagine it's more dis more20600:11:52,620 --> 00:11:58,410difficult than I thought it wasgoing to be. But, so I went I20700:11:58,410 --> 00:12:00,450went to the Bitcoin Bible studyMonday night,20800:12:00,839 --> 00:12:03,569Adam Curry: is that what iscalled Bitcoin Bible study? No,20900:12:03,569 --> 00:12:06,179that's just what I call it. TheBitcoin meter because you know,21000:12:06,389 --> 00:12:09,899there is a Thank God it'sBitcoin going on in Miami. They21100:12:09,899 --> 00:12:12,959keep asking me to come toChristian Bitcoin. Yeah, yeah,21200:12:12,959 --> 00:12:17,759no, seriously is. Yeah, it's theit's the guy who wrote the two21300:12:17,759 --> 00:12:20,639guys who wrote the book, thankGod for Bitcoin and they have a21400:12:20,639 --> 00:12:23,969conference and pastors calm andall kinds of people come there.21500:12:23,999 --> 00:12:27,659I mean, if it wasn't Miami, Iwould you know, I would consider21600:12:27,659 --> 00:12:27,899it21700:12:28,500 --> 00:12:31,080Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, likewe've already spent way too much21800:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,970time in Miami for your entirelife. Thank21900:12:32,970 --> 00:12:35,970Adam Curry: you. Excellentpoint. All right. So the Bitcoin22000:12:35,970 --> 00:12:38,640Bible study and let me guessthere was a couple of gnostic22100:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,330dudes there.22200:12:40,140 --> 00:12:43,650Dave Jones: There was there wasa really big nostre dude, their22300:12:44,220 --> 00:12:52,080guy named Randy from the Bitcoinwhat's it called the Bitcoin?22400:12:52,740 --> 00:12:55,470Adam Curry: Park Bitcoinbarking? Market? National. Sure,22500:12:55,470 --> 00:12:58,050sure. Sure. Yeah. Which is theold Florida Georgia Line22600:12:58,050 --> 00:12:58,740studios.22700:12:59,550 --> 00:13:01,410Dave Jones: Is that what thatokay, they converted it well,22800:13:01,410 --> 00:13:01,860no, those22900:13:01,890 --> 00:13:05,610Adam Curry: those guys broke upthe band but basically imploded.23000:13:06,390 --> 00:13:09,420And they just had opened thesereally cool studio, so they had23100:13:09,420 --> 00:13:13,080to do something with it. So Ithink it became Bitcoin. Bitcoin23200:13:13,080 --> 00:13:13,530Park.23300:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,260Dave Jones: Well, the super nicedude. And he's like, he's like23400:13:19,260 --> 00:13:23,580Mr. noster. He's all over it.Mr. noster. Jones brand23500:13:23,580 --> 00:13:24,270ambassador.23600:13:24,300 --> 00:13:25,800Adam Curry: Yeah.23700:13:26,189 --> 00:13:28,619Dave Jones: So we were you know,I got it was great, though. I23800:13:28,619 --> 00:13:31,619got to chat with him and like,pepper him with all the23900:13:31,619 --> 00:13:38,129questions because I'm knee deepin this code. And I found out24000:13:38,129 --> 00:13:45,929some I found out some somethings. Okay. So my question24100:13:45,929 --> 00:13:52,019right off the bat was, if I, I'mhaving, you know, have you have24200:13:52,019 --> 00:13:55,559difficulty finding identities?Yes.24300:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,900Adam Curry: Because because theydon't post the relays don't24400:13:57,900 --> 00:13:59,700crossover. Right.24500:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,220Dave Jones: He said, That nosterdot wine. Do you know that?24600:14:05,220 --> 00:14:10,890Really? No. Okay, it's nostruddot wine, like the drink Wi Fi.24700:14:12,300 --> 00:14:19,170He said that relay cross posts,amongst other relays. Oh, cool.24800:14:19,170 --> 00:14:22,320Yeah, that's basically it looksfor and it looks for users that24900:14:22,320 --> 00:14:28,080come in, and it finds new useridentities and reel in and25000:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,040reposts those metadata events toall the other relies it knows25100:14:32,040 --> 00:14:37,590about. So it's sort of likeit's, it's, we call it spreading25200:14:37,590 --> 00:14:42,360the, the identities around thenetwork as best it can. This is25300:14:42,360 --> 00:14:48,600obviously this is a good thing,you know, for sure. But it's25400:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,910also very centralized. It's asingle Oh,25500:14:50,910 --> 00:14:54,390Adam Curry: no, of course, and,and it's bound to fail because25600:14:54,420 --> 00:14:58,500unlike what we did, there's noyou know, there's there's no25700:14:58,500 --> 00:15:00,990incentive model. It's just notbuilt got into it. Yeah, you can25800:15:00,990 --> 00:15:05,070say, oh people, would you pleasezap me. But there's not really25900:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,300an incentive model.26000:15:07,050 --> 00:15:11,430Dave Jones: Yeah. And so that's.So that was kind of my first26100:15:11,430 --> 00:15:17,280learnings. That was this. Thisthing is kind of what we thought26200:15:17,280 --> 00:15:24,030it was. It's it's got, it's gotweak points, for sure. And26300:15:24,030 --> 00:15:30,450they're being shored up by sortof kind citizens and instant and26400:15:30,450 --> 00:15:31,560single points of failure.26500:15:33,390 --> 00:15:37,200Adam Curry: And single points offailure. If anyone else was26600:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,290Noster, hips, kind citizens andsingle points of failure.26700:15:41,970 --> 00:15:48,360Dave Jones: But it was funnybecause this this is like I get26800:15:48,390 --> 00:15:53,790it sort of touched with myjourney with within this entire26900:15:53,790 --> 00:15:58,710thing, because I've beenstruggling to figure out exactly27000:15:58,710 --> 00:16:02,070what it is that I'm trying toaccomplish with this. I mean,27100:16:02,190 --> 00:16:05,040there's an immediate there's animmediate thing, which is27200:16:05,040 --> 00:16:11,160obviously live chat room. Forfor a podcaster. That's easy to27300:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,880spin up and down. Right? That's,that's the obvious and that27400:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,110there's a bigger issue.27500:16:16,470 --> 00:16:19,320Adam Curry: It's still runningon the podcast index.27600:16:20,220 --> 00:16:21,000Infrastructure.27700:16:21,959 --> 00:16:24,929Dave Jones: Yes, yes. This oneis because it's a test server,27800:16:24,929 --> 00:16:28,139but this could be Dockerized infive minutes and spun up27900:16:28,139 --> 00:16:31,979anywhere you wanted to spin itup on Umbral wherever it doesn't28000:16:31,979 --> 00:16:34,829matter. Cool. Very, very low,28100:16:34,830 --> 00:16:37,890Adam Curry: not really on anumbrella because you need to28200:16:37,890 --> 00:16:42,090then have SSL certs and all thatstuff. It's not that simple.28300:16:43,230 --> 00:16:46,470Dave Jones: Yeah, well, youcould Yeah. True. I mean, if you28400:16:46,470 --> 00:16:49,890had if you have us, you couldrun it on a is running on a $5.28500:16:49,890 --> 00:16:50,160Net.28600:16:51,660 --> 00:16:53,040Adam Curry: Yeah, okay. Got yagot it.28700:16:54,270 --> 00:17:00,870Dave Jones: Very, very lowresource. So, you know, this,28800:17:00,930 --> 00:17:08,760this, the broader thing here,that goes beyond just this28900:17:08,760 --> 00:17:17,340immediate use case of of livechat? is where do you Central?29000:17:17,370 --> 00:17:21,780Where do you decentralized orcentralized things? And I think29100:17:21,780 --> 00:17:26,400this is sort of a theme of whatwe're of what we're kind of29200:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,090dealing with across the board. Alot of various issues. Yes.29300:17:30,690 --> 00:17:33,450Adam Curry: Yes. A lot of thingsbeing discussed on the GitHub.29400:17:33,480 --> 00:17:33,960Yes.29500:17:35,340 --> 00:17:39,930Dave Jones: So, you know, athing can be here. So here's29600:17:39,930 --> 00:17:42,660the, here's the first sort oflike, piece that, because I was29700:17:42,660 --> 00:17:45,780talking, I was chatting withAlex and I was like, trying to,29800:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,540you know, he was saying, youknow, what exactly is it that29900:17:48,540 --> 00:17:53,670you're trying to do? And I waslike, you know, I know what I'm30000:17:53,670 --> 00:17:57,900trying to do, but I don't knowhow to explain it to you. And30100:17:57,900 --> 00:18:00,630I'm glad he asked me thequestion because otherwise I30200:18:00,630 --> 00:18:04,950would I would just be stillliving in my head. So this is30300:18:04,950 --> 00:18:07,950this idea of where does thecentralization or30400:18:07,950 --> 00:18:11,430decentralization happen at whatpoint in the in the stack so to30500:18:11,430 --> 00:18:17,370speak, if you think about it,noster really isn't that much30600:18:17,370 --> 00:18:23,250different. It wants to bedifferent. But in practice, it's30700:18:23,250 --> 00:18:26,250really not that much differentthan an activity than a mastodon30800:18:26,250 --> 00:18:33,780server. You could have so lookat what MK Ultra is, or is about30900:18:33,780 --> 00:18:40,980to be a private relay. Withchat. Okay, so that's not much31000:18:40,980 --> 00:18:41,580different31100:18:41,610 --> 00:18:45,630Adam Curry: than an activity pubserver with lying around.31200:18:45,660 --> 00:18:50,610Dave Jones: Yeah, sure. MastodonYeah. So that's the, if you31300:18:50,610 --> 00:18:57,810think about it like that. Whatwhat Matt, what noster wants to31400:18:57,810 --> 00:19:02,160be in this is sort of theweakness of the way that that31500:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,280has been talked about and soldis right out of the gate. It's31600:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,070always, you know, censorshipresistant.31700:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,270Adam Curry: Pura Pura Vida, PuraVida.31800:19:12,750 --> 00:19:16,710Dave Jones: Yeah, right. It'snot it's not answerable. I can31900:19:16,710 --> 00:19:19,980guarantee you if China wanted tocensor and get rid of all of the32000:19:19,980 --> 00:19:23,400noster relays they could do itin two seconds. It's just not32100:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,160that's not that's not the way totalk about this thing. And it's32200:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,760also not It's not Bitcoin nonoster doesn't have anything to32300:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,910do with Bitcoin it's acompletely different thing. So32400:19:35,940 --> 00:19:39,510it's just happens to be that aBitcoin guy wrote in so all the32500:19:39,510 --> 00:19:40,800Bitcoin guys it's32600:19:41,129 --> 00:19:44,159Adam Curry: it's like the beefinitiative is not really32700:19:44,159 --> 00:19:47,009connected to Bitcoin justhappens that Bitcoiners32800:19:47,489 --> 00:19:51,509gravitated towards buying beeffrom ranchers with Bitcoin you32900:19:51,509 --> 00:19:55,109can buy with your credit card.It's the same as the same thing33000:19:55,109 --> 00:19:59,459it's just associated and thenbut they did add the zaps and33100:19:59,459 --> 00:20:01,889that you know, which is allLightning Network and that kind33200:20:01,889 --> 00:20:05,159of they are. That's somethingthat we discovered early on is33300:20:05,159 --> 00:20:09,599when you give people a way touse their Satoshis, or the33400:20:09,599 --> 00:20:11,729Lightning Network, they will usethem.33500:20:12,420 --> 00:20:16,800Dave Jones: Yes. Yep. Goodpoint. That that's like that's33600:20:16,800 --> 00:20:22,020the the first thing that sort oflike hits you is the identities33700:20:22,020 --> 00:20:25,020part is what drives the wholething. That's that's sort of the33800:20:25,020 --> 00:20:30,210key. Yes. Genius part of this.Yep. And it's not that nobody33900:20:30,210 --> 00:20:32,430else thought has thought ofdistributed identities. It's34000:20:32,430 --> 00:20:36,150just that I think that nostrilmade it very easily, ballistic34100:20:36,150 --> 00:20:36,570system.34200:20:36,570 --> 00:20:39,270Adam Curry: And I would add tothat, that exactly what you did34300:20:39,270 --> 00:20:41,820here. And I think this is one ofthe coolest things built with34400:20:41,820 --> 00:20:44,730noster. So far, if you don'tmind me saying, because what I34500:20:44,730 --> 00:20:47,100don't mind you saying? And I'llsay it a couple more times one34600:20:47,100 --> 00:20:50,040of the coolest things ever builtfor Nasir. And why is it cool?34700:20:50,250 --> 00:20:53,910Because the minute I'm signinginto this chat room, which is34800:20:53,940 --> 00:20:57,360you know, connect to somethingelse, I can immediately post34900:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,960that to my nostril feed, youknow, so you can you can post to35000:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,930a different relay a differentcommunity, a different group,35100:21:04,380 --> 00:21:08,640whatever it is, that I find thatincredibly cool, because I did35200:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,360it without a whole lot ofrigmarole and cross posting, I35300:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,540just I just checked the box andsay, yeah, oh, yeah, let35400:21:15,540 --> 00:21:18,300everyone know that I'm overhere. And then people can use35500:21:18,300 --> 00:21:21,540that same identity and come inor they can spin up a new one,35600:21:21,540 --> 00:21:26,400of course, and they can comeover and come in here. So it's I35700:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,980think I've always said it's likethe idea that I don't have to35800:21:28,980 --> 00:21:31,500sign on to everything. That'sjust the stuff that it works35900:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,740with. It's almost like like abooster gram split by out of36000:21:34,740 --> 00:21:37,980split, boom, I got stats, youknow, this world that I like36100:21:37,980 --> 00:21:38,520living in.36200:21:39,750 --> 00:21:42,210Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a goodpoint. So like the throwaway36300:21:42,210 --> 00:21:45,990nature of the identities is whatconcerned me at the very36400:21:45,990 --> 00:21:50,490beginning, I was like, you know,I'm very I'm worried about the36500:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,570these these digital identities,the encryption encrypted, I36600:21:54,570 --> 00:21:57,960don't want you know, I don'twant that it's kind of freaky.36700:21:58,020 --> 00:22:00,780And so the fact that you canthrow them away guy who36800:22:00,780 --> 00:22:02,790Adam Curry: uses LastPass Imean, come on.36900:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,080Dave Jones: Well, like there's Idon't know if there's this old37000:22:07,110 --> 00:22:11,220episode of Robot Chicken, youknow, Robot Chicken. No. Like37100:22:11,250 --> 00:22:14,520the I forgot what she was onComedy Central for a while. But37200:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,370there's this old Star WarsEpisode of Robot Chicken where37300:22:17,370 --> 00:22:20,850he's like, where the, theemployees of the Deathstar.37400:22:21,810 --> 00:22:25,650They're like, they're talking tothe new guy. And they're saying,37500:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,680okay, look, if Darth Vader actslike he's choking you like with37600:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,250his forced choke thing? Yeah,just just go with him pretend37700:22:35,250 --> 00:22:39,210that you died. Because he reallydoesn't have that power, but he37800:22:39,210 --> 00:22:42,630thinks he does. And if he knowsthat he doesn't have it, then37900:22:42,630 --> 00:22:45,660he'll just kill us with hislightsaber. So pretend to die38000:22:45,660 --> 00:22:48,960when he tries to fit in likechoke you in the air with this.38100:22:49,410 --> 00:22:53,310I got it I got the and then goout of when they when the gas38200:22:53,310 --> 00:22:56,790come and take drag you out ofthe room. Then you can read you38300:22:56,790 --> 00:22:59,520can dress up in differentclothes and put on put on some38400:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,560glasses and come back in theroom and change your name and38500:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,090you're good to go. Right. That'swhat this that's what this is38600:23:06,090 --> 00:23:07,980this yester identities exam.38700:23:09,660 --> 00:23:13,470Unknown: Shot Carla 20 blades onam Paula.38800:23:14,220 --> 00:23:17,430Adam Curry: You said magicwords. Dave? We're not paying38900:23:17,430 --> 00:23:21,450the rent this week. Yeah,there's a 101 a 1010. From Mike39000:23:21,450 --> 00:23:24,930Newman. Thank you, Mike. Stillhere on my boostin keep on39100:23:24,930 --> 00:23:27,480keeping on sally forth. This isthe way.39200:23:28,590 --> 00:23:30,570Dave Jones: Yes. Thank you,Mikey. Mike. Appreciate it.39300:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,030Yeah, but see me with that. Soyou're communicating with a39400:23:36,030 --> 00:23:42,810single server in this instance.And that is really not that's39500:23:42,810 --> 00:23:48,690not a bad thing. I think that'sreally where where this comes39600:23:48,690 --> 00:23:50,730down to is like, where in thestack? Are we going to39700:23:50,730 --> 00:23:53,490decentralize podcasts. Let'sjust take a step back.39800:23:53,490 --> 00:24:00,120Podcasting is a very centralizedthing. We don't we don't think39900:24:00,120 --> 00:24:04,170about it that way. But there'svery few CD look, take a look at40000:24:04,170 --> 00:24:06,810John Spurlock's analysis of howmany CD ends there are40100:24:06,810 --> 00:24:08,190Adam Curry: like eight orsomething is that's40200:24:09,780 --> 00:24:13,650Dave Jones: yeah, and not a noand probably 70% of podcasts are40300:24:13,650 --> 00:24:20,220served out of about three.There, there's very little. So40400:24:20,250 --> 00:24:23,520once you get back past there andget down into the sort of like40500:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,290bottom 5%, then you start to geta lot of dispersion. But for the40600:24:28,290 --> 00:24:32,340most part, podcasting is verycentralized on the delivery40700:24:32,370 --> 00:24:35,580front. And it's something we'renot going to change and we don't40800:24:35,580 --> 00:24:39,930necessarily need to change that.We really don't like that.40900:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,470Changing that if you want to golet's say you wanted to go fully41000:24:43,470 --> 00:24:47,970decentralized all the way downthe stack to the bottom. That is41100:24:48,030 --> 00:24:51,300difficult, very difficult.You're gonna have to start using41200:24:51,330 --> 00:24:55,800like a DHT type system, and thatkind of thing and you're, you're41300:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,760going you're not we're not goingto get anywhere with that in the41400:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,030current The landscape becausethe need is not there. Right41500:25:03,030 --> 00:25:07,140now, if, if the need ever becamesevere, like if there was ever a41600:25:07,140 --> 00:25:09,780huge like, you know, I don'tknow government crackdowns or41700:25:09,780 --> 00:25:13,440whatever you want to saysomething like that, well, then,41800:25:13,860 --> 00:25:17,370then those other solutions arethere to be rolled and we could41900:25:17,370 --> 00:25:20,670roll them. But for the what forthe way that things are now42000:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,640Adam Curry: really don't have toworry about it too much. No. And42100:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,390Dave Jones: so I think that thethe sort of, I'm thinking of it42200:25:27,390 --> 00:25:32,100is more or less in terms ofdecentralization than sort of re42300:25:32,100 --> 00:25:37,290centralization. And what I meanis like, if you it's not like42400:25:37,290 --> 00:25:41,370oxygen, where it's justavailable in the air everywhere42500:25:41,370 --> 00:25:44,700around you. That's not reallywhat we want to go for. We want42600:25:44,700 --> 00:25:51,420to go for more of a model oflike gas stations or libraries,42700:25:52,380 --> 00:25:54,480where if this one's closed,42800:25:54,719 --> 00:25:58,589Adam Curry: you can move on todown. Here's, here's me42900:25:58,619 --> 00:26:03,449immediately when I want fromthis, is, I want the IRC bridge.43000:26:03,449 --> 00:26:05,459But that's not even the mostimportant thing, strangely43100:26:05,459 --> 00:26:12,809enough, I want the boost bot. Soand here's a way actually, that43200:26:13,499 --> 00:26:16,709here's a money makingopportunity. These things pop43300:26:16,709 --> 00:26:23,069into my head, I will gladly puta split into my value block in43400:26:23,069 --> 00:26:30,539order to have a chat set up andhosted, which includes any43500:26:30,539 --> 00:26:34,619booster grams that come intothat split? How about that?43600:26:34,619 --> 00:26:34,829Yeah,43700:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,590Dave Jones: well, that was theoriginal idea for MK Ultra. So43800:26:37,590 --> 00:26:40,350they didn't like it in boostergrams as well. I like it. So it43900:26:40,350 --> 00:26:44,010becomes a huge supercharged soremember, the ultimate goal also44000:26:44,010 --> 00:26:48,240of MK Ultra is that, at the endof the chat set at the end of44100:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,460the show, you export thetranscript of all the comments44200:26:53,490 --> 00:27:00,870out and it becomes a super chat,a super chat dialogue that can44300:27:00,870 --> 00:27:04,110replay along with the publishedepisodes so that you can see in44400:27:04,110 --> 00:27:07,560real time where the booths camein where the chat right comments44500:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,790happened. Right, right, right.And I love that by the way that44600:27:11,790 --> 00:27:15,780that control is also controlledby the check box. So by default,44700:27:15,780 --> 00:27:19,350everything's checked, the checkbox is checked. And if that's44800:27:19,350 --> 00:27:24,150checked, then your comments willnot be output in the final44900:27:24,150 --> 00:27:27,780transcript. If it's unchecked,and then they will go that45000:27:27,810 --> 00:27:30,750you're telling you're lettingthe chat room know I'm okay with45100:27:30,750 --> 00:27:32,820my comments being part of thepublished45200:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,210Adam Curry: God transcript GodOh, yeah, that's a femoral. Got45300:27:36,210 --> 00:27:37,980it. Privacy by default45400:27:37,980 --> 00:27:41,970Dave Jones: is what this is. Andthen then you you can control it45500:27:41,970 --> 00:27:48,120by the checkbox. But, but Ithink this, this also like, sort45600:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,570of like, step in and stop me ifyou want to jump in here. I'm45700:27:51,570 --> 00:27:53,040just I'm kind of Soliloquyhomeless.45800:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,480Adam Curry: And I'm justlistening. I'm loving. I'm45900:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,380seeing people coming in fromnoster. Because I yeah, I46000:27:58,410 --> 00:28:02,100announced it and I did I unclickthe box for a moment found a bug46100:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,890too. We'll talk about thatlater. Okay. You know, me46200:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,700breaking stuff.46300:28:07,290 --> 00:28:08,550Dave Jones: That's what you'revaluable.46400:28:09,990 --> 00:28:11,520Adam Curry: Oh, I'm valuable.Thank you.46500:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,740Dave Jones: Values.46600:28:14,670 --> 00:28:17,250Adam Curry: I mean, usefulwagon. Yeah, I mean, I46700:28:17,250 --> 00:28:20,460immediately like this, Iimmediately am drawn to it, not46800:28:20,490 --> 00:28:24,630just back to the centralization.This stream is centralized.46900:28:25,020 --> 00:28:31,020There are like 25 shows that runon no agenda stream.com and run47000:28:31,020 --> 00:28:34,650on the same IRC server, which isvoid zero server. It's been that47100:28:34,650 --> 00:28:39,930way for 14 years. And it isentirely centralized. We're just47200:28:39,930 --> 00:28:44,280using a different room. So Ireally dig the idea of of47300:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,980spawning this out. And brother Ihave if we're done with this, I47400:28:49,980 --> 00:28:53,310can move on to the next thingI've been thinking about. Okay,47500:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,260unless there's more you want tofinish this up.47600:28:56,370 --> 00:28:58,560Dave Jones: There there I wantto talk about Daniel J. Lewis,47700:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,190his comments thing, but but Ican probably fit it in anywhere.47800:29:02,190 --> 00:29:02,910So go ahead.47900:29:05,730 --> 00:29:08,460Adam Curry: Let's do that. Let'slet's move from that. And I'll48000:29:08,460 --> 00:29:12,030come in, cuz I got stuff aboutmusic, but it also is related to48100:29:12,030 --> 00:29:15,600that. It's just been a lot goingon. And what happened was, we48200:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,210had a meet up, and I flew toNashville.48300:29:19,290 --> 00:29:20,220Dave Jones: Yeah. How48400:29:20,220 --> 00:29:24,300Adam Curry: was that go by so Iflew, right. And we took my48500:29:24,300 --> 00:29:28,200instructor and Tina she knowsTina had never been in a four48600:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,900seater before. Now this is avery you know, you're I rented48700:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,530this plane, I could not affordto buy it. This is like a $1.348800:29:34,530 --> 00:29:37,410million plane has a parachute.It's like a you know, it's like48900:29:37,470 --> 00:29:42,780a luxury sports car in the air.And now Nashville, turns out49000:29:42,780 --> 00:29:47,910it's pretty far. Three and ahalf hours. And the whole point49100:29:47,910 --> 00:29:52,530for me was it was a I saved upall of my a lot of my instrument49200:29:52,530 --> 00:29:56,760instruction lessons and tookthis because I actually had, you49300:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,510know, three and a half hours toreally look at this The Garmin49400:30:00,510 --> 00:30:04,2001000 You know, just flying, youknow, a lesson for an hour and a49500:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,810half every couple of weeks, youdon't really get into it. It's49600:30:06,810 --> 00:30:10,650like, like a Chinese menu on aphone. You know, it's like you49700:30:10,650 --> 00:30:14,550got, there's a lot of menus andsub menus and a lot of stuff49800:30:14,550 --> 00:30:17,760going on. So once I'd figuredthat out after an hour, you49900:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,450know, it's pretty boring. By theway, I just have to tell you one50000:30:21,450 --> 00:30:25,620thing. So on departure Mondaymorning, we're at Gillespie50100:30:25,620 --> 00:30:27,720airport, which is five minutesfrom our house. Everything's50200:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,380beautiful, right? Amy Lynn hasbrought the plane she's my my50300:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,370instructor. It's all filled up.We're good to go. We get in Tina50400:30:35,370 --> 00:30:38,040has done her like okay, it'spretty small. It's roomy,50500:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,350actually in the back. It's quiteroomy, his leather seats, you50600:30:40,350 --> 00:30:45,450know, it's comfortable. And sothere's one runway, and it's a50700:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,420it's a pilot controlledairfield, so there's no tower50800:30:48,420 --> 00:30:51,840and you basically talk to eachother. And the wind was50900:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,770variable. So was five knots onethis direction five knots, that51000:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,530direction moved around. So wedecided we're going to take off51100:30:58,530 --> 00:31:02,07007. So we're at the end of therunway, not on the runway, but51200:31:02,070 --> 00:31:04,620you know, you're holding shortof the runway, and we're waiting51300:31:04,620 --> 00:31:08,520for this one lady who's comingin from Austin, I think to land51400:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,900and she decided to land theopposite direction, which is51500:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,020okay, but when then you havewind at your back. And you know,51600:31:16,050 --> 00:31:18,570it can be a little tricky. Youwant to land and take off into51700:31:18,570 --> 00:31:21,570the wind. We're watching herbecause we're gonna we're gonna51800:31:21,570 --> 00:31:25,050line up and take off once she'soff the runway. We're watching51900:31:25,050 --> 00:31:30,000her land, she bounces bounces up30 feet and crash lands right in52000:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,440front of us. Like, oh, noGearSlutz than it knows that it52100:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200didn't go all the way over nosesover the prop hits the ground,52200:31:37,410 --> 00:31:41,700lot of dust. And Tina goes. Ididn't need to see that.52300:31:42,540 --> 00:31:45,090Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, that'sbad to say, this is not a good52400:31:45,090 --> 00:31:48,840thing. I mean, kudos that shedid not bail out.52500:31:48,870 --> 00:31:52,140Adam Curry: Oh, man. She is thebravest passenger I've ever seen52600:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,750in my life. She actually said,No, it's in God's hands. Let's52700:31:54,750 --> 00:31:57,180go. But we had to wait for anhour. And it was a whole bunch52800:31:57,180 --> 00:31:59,760of stuff going on. But I'venever seen a crash land in my52900:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,310life. Neither of my instructorslike one of those things. And53000:32:02,550 --> 00:32:05,580when we're on our way for thislong trip, and Tina sees as53100:32:05,580 --> 00:32:08,520like, holy crap, can't believethat. Anyway,53200:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,930Dave Jones: man is like, whatshe's what she inside, like53300:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,110really kind of freaking out whoshe was she nervous?53400:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,000Adam Curry: She said this. Andthat doesn't make me happy, I53500:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,160think is what she said. Shesaid, No, I'm good. I'm good.53600:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,990What are the chances ofsomething happened again?53700:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,230Anyway, so the night before, wehad just been to see Mercy Me in53800:32:28,230 --> 00:32:32,610San Antonio. And I'd neverreally quite been to a show like53900:32:32,610 --> 00:32:35,700that. And there was a lot goingon with screens. And the54000:32:35,700 --> 00:32:38,280audience was fantastic. Theseguys are all no agenda fans of54100:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,670them. It was a whole love fest.But it's been a while since I've54200:32:41,670 --> 00:32:46,080been to a concert with 3000people. So as always impresses54300:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,830me, you know, the live concert.And then in Nashville, we're in54400:32:49,830 --> 00:32:53,880Nashville. I'm talking to JeffSmith. So I came back and we had54500:32:54,060 --> 00:32:57,390headwind on the way back, so itwas even a longer trip. So my54600:32:57,390 --> 00:33:01,260head is just filled with musicideas. Now, back to the54700:33:01,260 --> 00:33:06,090comments. Back Back to thecomments. Daniel Jays comments,54800:33:06,090 --> 00:33:11,130because what's happened here ismy eyes glazed over the same on54900:33:11,130 --> 00:33:16,110the GitHub, and it took me along time to kind of parse55000:33:16,110 --> 00:33:22,380through it and figure out maybeit's a good starting point. I55100:33:22,380 --> 00:33:24,330forget all the reasoning,because I think that's actually55200:33:24,330 --> 00:33:28,110the biggest distraction. The thereason why nothing has been55300:33:28,110 --> 00:33:30,660implemented, why activity pubisn't all the way there or55400:33:30,660 --> 00:33:33,570hasn't been done all the wayyet. I think it has nothing to55500:33:33,570 --> 00:33:38,820do with technology. The way Isee it is, of course, there the55600:33:39,210 --> 00:33:47,490podcasts or creates, in essence,a rude comment and uses some non55700:33:47,490 --> 00:33:51,660existent API server that addsthese comments to pretty much a55800:33:51,660 --> 00:33:56,130single file. So an app then onlyhas to do two things. It has to55900:33:56,130 --> 00:34:00,330suck in that file to display thecomments, then it has to provide56000:34:00,540 --> 00:34:05,970a web hook from the app to theAPI server, which does not exist56100:34:05,970 --> 00:34:09,690yet the same as this, you know,same as the this chat server56200:34:09,690 --> 00:34:12,870doesn't exist yet. Yeah, we haveone. But the podcaster would56300:34:12,870 --> 00:34:15,660have to have that or have accessto that. And that's what you56400:34:15,660 --> 00:34:19,140post, it adds to the file andthen the file is parsed. It56500:34:19,140 --> 00:34:23,070seems like a pretty simple idea.Is that is that kind of the way56600:34:23,070 --> 00:34:24,450and is that a correct view ofit?56700:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,310Dave Jones: Yes, I think so.It's Yes, it's not it's an API56800:34:29,310 --> 00:34:35,490that is just in the IDF are inthe build phase at this at this56900:34:35,490 --> 00:34:41,400point. But it's supposed to be asimple. The podcast app just57000:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,830sends a single API request topost the comment. It gets stored57100:34:46,830 --> 00:34:50,790in an in a JSON file after itallows for moderation by the57200:34:51,270 --> 00:34:55,290podcaster. And then it'simmediately available that JSON57300:34:55,290 --> 00:34:57,510file is immediately available tobe sending. Yes.57400:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,160Adam Curry: And and luckilyThere was a flag in there that57500:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,130you can go back to moderate itlater and not have to moderate57600:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,910every single post. I would notwant to do that. That sounds57700:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,120sounds pretty simple. I don'tknow exactly how much different57800:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,600it is from what you know. Or ifit's something we need to stop57900:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,330and do that instead of theactivity pub, which seems to be58000:35:18,570 --> 00:35:22,740so close yet so far away. Sowhat are your thoughts pod sage?58100:35:25,350 --> 00:35:26,970Dave Jones: Well, I mean, whatare your thoughts first?58200:35:29,010 --> 00:35:33,000Adam Curry: My Well, I havedifferent thoughts. Because what58300:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,070I'm really, and I put this onthe social and no one responded58400:35:38,070 --> 00:35:43,260to it, which means I'm probablyright on the mark. It appears to58500:35:43,260 --> 00:35:48,060me that the biggest problem withthis particular feature is that58600:35:48,060 --> 00:35:52,320is being talked about as if it'sa podcast, podcast or feature.58700:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,640And I, I have to kind ofdisagree. It is a podcast app58800:35:56,670 --> 00:36:02,790feature. And, and and, and Iremember from over two years58900:36:02,790 --> 00:36:06,300ago, when when we started crossapp comments, this is how long59000:36:06,300 --> 00:36:11,340it's been. It's it's not worked.And I think I remember Martin59100:36:11,370 --> 00:36:15,060pod friend Martin saying, Well,I don't want my app, which is59200:36:15,060 --> 00:36:19,410called pod friend. i It'sunfriendly if you can't comment59300:36:19,410 --> 00:36:25,530on every single podcast, and hefeels and I completely59400:36:25,530 --> 00:36:30,030understand. And I think I agreewith him, that comments are part59500:36:30,030 --> 00:36:35,520of his platform, not necessarilythe podcasters platform, because59600:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,660it's his app. And with that comecomes all kinds of issues like,59700:36:39,660 --> 00:36:44,580well, what if am I going to getemails now saying, I don't like59800:36:44,580 --> 00:36:48,690what this guy said, kick himoff, this is a bad word, who is59900:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,570who is the moderation part isgoing to be interesting, because60000:36:51,570 --> 00:36:56,670ultimately, it is displayed onhis app. And I believe that is60100:36:56,670 --> 00:37:00,180the reason why we have not seenit implemented. Because60200:37:00,330 --> 00:37:04,470everyone's a one man band.Everyone's strapped for time.60300:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,820This may be just too much for a,an app developer to take on. And60400:37:11,820 --> 00:37:16,110also, I also heard what Marcosaid, and you know, like him or60500:37:16,110 --> 00:37:18,930not, he said, I don't wantpeople telling me what to do.60600:37:19,770 --> 00:37:22,530And it's a little bit of tellingpeople what to do in this60700:37:22,530 --> 00:37:26,940conversation. And I'm, I'mpulling back, because I don't60800:37:26,940 --> 00:37:29,670think it's a technicalimplementation problem. I think60900:37:29,670 --> 00:37:34,320it's the I know some of thepersonalities here. And I think61000:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,620that people like well, you know,I'm not so yes, I did look at61100:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,990the GitHub while flying. Okay,I'll answer your question.61200:37:40,350 --> 00:37:43,770Dave Jones: You also texted me,scared me to death pictures.61300:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,040Adam Curry: From 9006, itactually works. I was quite61400:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,500amazed how T Mobile baby worksat 9000 feet. So I think we're61500:37:52,500 --> 00:37:53,760having the wrong discussion.61600:37:56,970 --> 00:38:01,920Dave Jones: There, yeah. Maybenot the wrong discussion, maybe61700:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,390just two different discussions.And in one of them, maybe not61800:38:06,390 --> 00:38:10,230even being spoken. But there'sthe text. There's the technical61900:38:10,230 --> 00:38:16,230aspect of of the of the thing.And then there's the then62000:38:16,230 --> 00:38:22,770there's the the sort ofpolitical ethical stuff on top.62100:38:23,220 --> 00:38:26,160And this is very like, like Isaid, this is one of those weeks62200:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,400where it's like, everything isloosely connected to each other.62300:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,110And yes, in a weird way. Becausethere's another aspect of this62400:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,970that I don't want to muddy thewater with, but I want to talk62500:38:35,970 --> 00:38:36,330about it.62600:38:37,170 --> 00:38:37,680Adam Curry: In the dirt.62700:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,310Dave Jones: It's also all up inthere. That so the technical on62800:38:44,310 --> 00:38:46,770the technical side of things, Ihad no problem with what Daniels62900:38:46,770 --> 00:38:52,020do. And I think I think it'sfine. I mean, what we want for63000:38:52,020 --> 00:38:58,740an app is simplicity. Yeah, wesee that we see the struggles of63100:38:58,740 --> 00:39:01,740decentralization that arehappening with the noster apps.63200:39:01,980 --> 00:39:04,680They're killing people's batterylife, because they're they're63300:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,590keeping WebSockets open to 12different servers at the same63400:39:07,590 --> 00:39:12,750time. There's that sort ofdecentralization is difficult.63500:39:12,990 --> 00:39:17,820And I get and I get that. Sofrom that standpoint, anything63600:39:17,820 --> 00:39:20,220that can be done to simplify andthis is this is what I was63700:39:20,220 --> 00:39:22,530talking about, with Where do youdecentralize? We're in the63800:39:22,530 --> 00:39:26,730stack. And I think we need tosort of come come to terms with63900:39:26,730 --> 00:39:31,080where this is supposed to be.Because if you push the64000:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,390decentralization, all the waydown to the mobile app, that is64100:39:36,390 --> 00:39:39,750a big burden for that for thatapp to carry. Not only in terms64200:39:39,750 --> 00:39:44,130of have to have resources, andcomplexity, but also in terms of64300:39:44,130 --> 00:39:47,880App Store review. Oh, yes,absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot64400:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,560of challenges there. So if youif we can move this thing up the64500:39:52,560 --> 00:40:03,540stack a bit to where we envisionthis okay, envision envision64600:40:03,540 --> 00:40:07,680that Daniel J. Lewis is APIconcept is full, it is64700:40:07,680 --> 00:40:15,300functional. And transistorimplements it. Transistor now64800:40:15,390 --> 00:40:22,110offers this API solution for itspodcasters. And they podcasters64900:40:22,110 --> 00:40:29,100then can can allow comments tohappen on their own on their65000:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,150shows. And they they can havesome sort of moderation if they65100:40:33,150 --> 00:40:37,740want or whatever. And then thepodcast app, all it has to do is65200:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,220Adam Curry: just add a web hookand parse that JSON file65300:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040Dave Jones: was not even itwasn't even web hook like the65400:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,270app can, I mean, jumping fromthe posting site? So from so the65500:40:48,270 --> 00:40:51,330listener can just post acomment, it goes to a REST API,65600:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,460boom, done. Easy, simple.65700:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,170Adam Curry: That's what I'mthat's what I mean by web hook,65800:40:55,170 --> 00:40:58,500you press a button and it goeson that API server. Right.65900:40:58,770 --> 00:41:03,810Dave Jones: Exactly. And so thisthing is you, you do need some66000:41:03,810 --> 00:41:08,310sort of, there's, there's, thereare challenges with this. Yeah.66100:41:08,310 --> 00:41:08,820And they can66200:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,900Adam Curry: have some kind ofidentity. You need an identity,66300:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,500what you've just built. You justbuilt the entire identity piece66400:41:16,500 --> 00:41:17,850to that the way I see it.66500:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,520Dave Jones: Well Nasir built itwe industrious guy. Yeah, yeah,66600:41:20,550 --> 00:41:26,160the identity can be it. Buttheir spam control. There's all66700:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,730the things that66800:41:27,930 --> 00:41:31,080Adam Curry: there's a lot ofbull crap to go to go down. Oh,66900:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,790yeah. Absolutely.67000:41:33,270 --> 00:41:35,040Dave Jones: Yep. And justbecause you have a throwaway67100:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,140identity doesn't mean thatyou're going to solve any of67200:41:37,140 --> 00:41:42,060those problems. Right. So So Ilike I think the simplicity of67300:41:42,060 --> 00:41:47,910it is, is is perfect. And67400:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,390Adam Curry: it holds me, let mestop you. And the point. And I67500:41:51,390 --> 00:41:55,290think the point you're makingsuddenly, is that all of those67600:41:55,290 --> 00:41:59,460problems have already beenaddressed on activity pub slash67700:41:59,460 --> 00:42:03,570mastered on a lot of thoseproblems.67800:42:06,030 --> 00:42:08,220Dave Jones: I guess I am sayingthat, but I'm not saying it on67900:42:08,220 --> 00:42:09,120purpose. Okay.68000:42:09,150 --> 00:42:13,560Adam Curry: I know I know. Butbut the fact is, spam issues68100:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,860have ordered em blocking andmoderation is a very rich68200:42:16,860 --> 00:42:20,070moderation interface. You canblock and you know, all kinds of68300:42:20,070 --> 00:42:23,610things activity pub throughMastodon has all of that.68400:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,790Dave Jones: It also has. Yeah,yeah, James is right. Those68500:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,620problems have been addressed atbaster games, too, with a68600:42:31,620 --> 00:42:34,500different a different sort ofbar to jump over, which is the68700:42:34,500 --> 00:42:35,670pay pay part. Yes. The68800:42:35,670 --> 00:42:38,460Adam Curry: pay part, which Ialso agree with, which is, which68900:42:38,460 --> 00:42:41,760is probably why Fountain has nothad, as far as I know, is zero69000:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,630problems with boosted grants,because people just don't know69100:42:45,660 --> 00:42:49,140pay to spam that much. It's justnot a very good business model.69200:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,560Dave Jones: Yeah. So I thinkwhat the so you have these69300:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,500different bar these differentsorts of bars you can set to pay69400:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,610for people to jump over to tohelp the spam issue. One of69500:42:59,610 --> 00:43:02,820those bar in the bar and thefountain comment system is69600:43:02,820 --> 00:43:08,190money. The bar and the mastodonsystem is things like a private69700:43:08,190 --> 00:43:11,790registration. Moderate you havemoderators,69800:43:12,570 --> 00:43:15,180Adam Curry: you can get kickedoff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All that.69900:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,790Yeah. Amen. Pure Vita. If you're70000:43:18,990 --> 00:43:21,990Dave Jones: on the bar that wasimplemented on the noster side,70100:43:21,990 --> 00:43:28,500or is being implemented. It'sgetting better is the stir fry.70200:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,740Adam Curry: It is gettingbetter. And there's something70300:43:31,740 --> 00:43:36,210that I've noticed, there is acommunity aspect. And I don't70400:43:36,210 --> 00:43:40,260know how to implement I'm sureit's some nip somewhere that70500:43:40,260 --> 00:43:45,510people can block a post and thenit'll show up in your timeline,70600:43:45,510 --> 00:43:48,510but it says, you know, blockedby these 3000 people and then70700:43:48,660 --> 00:43:52,890basically you don't look at it.Okay, so there's there's fun70800:43:52,890 --> 00:43:55,590stuff like that being developed.It's like, create like a70900:43:55,590 --> 00:43:57,420crowdsource crowdsourcing time.Yeah, of course, of course. And71000:43:57,420 --> 00:44:00,420there's also the thread fromhell, which I've been put on,71100:44:00,540 --> 00:44:03,210which never goes away, and thenyou know, you have to deal with71200:44:03,210 --> 00:44:04,950that. Right, right.71300:44:06,270 --> 00:44:09,660Dave Jones: So then I think Ithink in Daniels mind what he's71400:44:09,690 --> 00:44:15,240what he's envisioning is thebar. The the bar for keeping71500:44:15,240 --> 00:44:20,070that stuff at bay within hisidea is the moderation part that71600:44:20,070 --> 00:44:24,060things won't show up until it'sapproved by the podcaster. Now,71700:44:24,060 --> 00:44:28,740that's, that's a very, that'sgonna have to take it's gonna71800:44:28,740 --> 00:44:30,300take a lot of work. Well, it71900:44:30,300 --> 00:44:36,840Adam Curry: also it won't workthat way. Because people want72000:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,630instant gratification if youpost a comment, and it doesn't72100:44:39,630 --> 00:44:42,840show up because it has to bemoderated. People won't use it.72200:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,170If and then you get into exactlywhat you're saying. Then you72300:44:46,170 --> 00:44:49,800have to get into well who'sapproved to post so you get into72400:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,290all that stuff and youultimately get into some kind of72500:44:52,290 --> 00:44:56,130sort of registration. These arethese are problems that are so72600:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,610this is why discus never reallyworked, you know, turn into a72700:44:59,610 --> 00:45:02,010spam thing, then they actuallybecame a spam company72800:45:02,010 --> 00:45:07,710themselves. It's comments arevery, very, very hard they are.72900:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,100And the more I look at whatyou've built here, the more I73000:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,890like that we could actually haveboosted Graham's flip flow73100:45:13,890 --> 00:45:17,160through here. And, you know,this may be a version of73200:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,400something that works even justfor comments, not just for chat,73300:45:20,460 --> 00:45:21,780you know, ephemeral or not?73400:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,950Dave Jones: Well, so thenthat's, that's worth pointing73500:45:25,950 --> 00:45:29,700out here. This, this this chat,the MK Ultra has the same73600:45:29,700 --> 00:45:34,650problem. It can it can it's alsosubject to spam, you know, spam73700:45:35,040 --> 00:45:42,090bombing. Yeah. And the the barfor entry there is ephemerality73800:45:42,150 --> 00:45:45,630so that it, it, it only lastsfor a certain period of time.73900:45:45,660 --> 00:45:48,810Yes. That's, it's still notimmune from it. So that's got to74000:45:48,810 --> 00:45:51,810be it's got to be dealt withhere. So I guess I'm not I'm74100:45:51,810 --> 00:45:55,680not. So I'm not trying to diss,talk these things down and just74200:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,520say, I'm just trying to be,let's be honest about all these74300:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,690difficulties. Yes. And then thebit that's, that's on the74400:46:03,690 --> 00:46:07,890posting side on the console. Sothen you have this C, which74500:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,520we've done here is moved this upthe stack to the word so the74600:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,550center it's centralized. At theat transistor now, in this74700:46:17,550 --> 00:46:22,590hypothetical future world,transistor is running the74800:46:22,590 --> 00:46:28,020service. It's, it's, it's, it'sa single call to them for this74900:46:28,050 --> 00:46:33,150for posting to one of theirpodcasters the comments. Then,75000:46:33,270 --> 00:46:41,190at that point, you have you havea de json file of full of all75100:46:41,190 --> 00:46:47,220these comments that you can thendistribute. So so what I'm what75200:46:47,220 --> 00:46:50,730I'm envisioning, is this youth.You're not You're not, it75300:46:50,730 --> 00:46:53,100doesn't have to just becauseit's centralized. Oh, you75400:46:53,100 --> 00:46:57,540Adam Curry: just blew my mind.Did uh, yeah, keep going? I like75500:46:57,540 --> 00:46:58,410it. Yeah. Blew my mind.75600:46:59,009 --> 00:47:01,649Dave Jones: Yeah. So you're,you're, you've moved the75700:47:01,649 --> 00:47:06,629decentralization up one step towhere now, transistor or some75800:47:06,629 --> 00:47:10,619third party can come in, readthose comments and distribute75900:47:10,619 --> 00:47:16,229them to other systems? Yes.Activity pub noster. You know,76000:47:17,099 --> 00:47:21,449all the different commentingsystems, yes. out there. Like,76100:47:22,049 --> 00:47:26,549and that that is in they canalso go back that way. If the if76200:47:26,609 --> 00:47:30,719if you wanted to continue toexpand the system and say, Okay,76300:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,559well, we're going to put justjust like MK Archer, we're going76400:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,289to, we're going to send thingsout. And then we're also going76500:47:37,289 --> 00:47:42,359to pull things back in. If, youknow, if we choose as you choose76600:47:42,359 --> 00:47:47,849to plug these two these thesethings in. I just think that I76700:47:47,849 --> 00:47:52,229think they just it's going to bejust very, very difficult to76800:47:53,939 --> 00:47:57,479decentralize things all the waydown to the app level. Oh, and76900:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,450Adam Curry: I agree, and I'm notsure who's pushing this77000:48:00,450 --> 00:48:01,950decentralization talk.77100:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,040Dave Jones: Well, I don't thinkthere's anybody pushing it. It's77200:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,870just that I think that's what weas technical people in private77300:48:09,870 --> 00:48:14,010and privacy minded people, andwe don't like, you know, nobody77400:48:14,010 --> 00:48:17,610likes to be censored. I think wewant the decentral just just77500:48:17,610 --> 00:48:21,360like the nostril people are justinfatuated with saying that this77600:48:21,390 --> 00:48:23,790is censorship resistant, andit's decentralized.77700:48:23,820 --> 00:48:26,580Adam Curry: I think it's, youknow, that's a marketing bit.77800:48:26,580 --> 00:48:29,910That's, that's mainly that whonever says that developers. I've77900:48:29,910 --> 00:48:33,000never seen a developer say that.That's the people who are in78000:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,080there and are infatuated andhappy and jacked and pura vida.78100:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,210Dave Jones: It's a trick. It'san attractive thing to want.78200:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,180Yeah. It, it's just, it's justvery, very hard. And it doesn't78300:48:48,180 --> 00:48:52,980really fit with what podcastingthat like the infrastructure78400:48:52,980 --> 00:48:58,260that podcasting exists in rightnow. Anyway. I mean, like, I78500:48:58,260 --> 00:49:00,360mean, same thing, same thingwith POD ping, we've done the78600:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,560same thing. Pod ping isdecentralized across across a78700:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,910public blockchain. But 99% ofthe people that's in pod pings78800:49:08,910 --> 00:49:11,700do it through pod ping dot Club,which is a single point exactly.78900:49:12,510 --> 00:49:17,430It's like, where you you need areliable single point in a lot79000:49:17,430 --> 00:49:20,520of in a lot of cases, you need areliable single communications79100:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,380point to receive this this item,and then send it out right to79200:49:25,380 --> 00:49:28,950various so that it becomesdecentralized. It's not it's not79300:49:29,070 --> 00:49:31,140necessarily borndecentralization,79400:49:31,170 --> 00:49:32,700Adam Curry: this kind of fitswith everything we've been79500:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,930doing. It's the same thing as awallet. You know, and certainly79600:49:36,930 --> 00:49:40,290in the beginning, there was alot of pushback on us in79700:49:40,290 --> 00:49:43,830particular, well, you guys arejust centralizing the Lightning79800:49:43,830 --> 00:49:49,440Network here. And so there was abig push all get your own node,79900:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,310get your own umbra, which turnsout to be quite complicated for80000:49:53,310 --> 00:49:58,680most mere mortals. Sorry,Carmen. And, and then of course,80100:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,650you know, along comes and out itlike get Alby and there's all80200:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,000there's more. And you know it noone complains. While they're80300:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,430Satoshi. You know, there's, wehave all these centralized80400:50:08,430 --> 00:50:10,230solutions for the LightningNetwork and no one's80500:50:10,230 --> 00:50:13,470complaining. So there's all thisidealism, but then it always80600:50:13,470 --> 00:50:18,750comes back to reality. And now Ioperate on my own wallet to my80700:50:18,750 --> 00:50:24,240own nodes, with, you know, withthe predictable experience, from80800:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,240time to time, I miss a hugeboost. Why, because something80900:50:27,240 --> 00:50:31,260went wrong and went offline orsomething happened. This is just81000:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,290what it is. So there's going tobe the same for if this is the81100:50:34,290 --> 00:50:37,860way we implement cross appcomments. It isn't in fact, the81200:50:37,860 --> 00:50:42,000same for your transcripts, it isthe same for your chapters, you81300:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,020can host it somewhere else hostit yourself. The option, I think81400:50:46,020 --> 00:50:49,140is what makes it interesting.And that, to me is ultimately81500:50:49,140 --> 00:50:52,710the when I think censorship, Idon't think China, I think81600:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,520transistor didn't like me, orsomeone called transistor and81700:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,630said, Hi, where the IRS we'regoing to, we're going to audit81800:51:00,630 --> 00:51:03,900you in less you kick curry offyour system. So I will be able81900:51:03,900 --> 00:51:08,310to take my little comments or mytranscripts and put them on a82000:51:08,310 --> 00:51:11,280different server, and everythingwould continue as normal. That82100:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,960to me is censorship resistant.82200:51:14,220 --> 00:51:17,040Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. You'reYou're that's, that's go. And82300:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,680that's arriving at the gasstation, finding out that82400:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,780they're closed and then drivingdown the street to a different82500:51:21,780 --> 00:51:22,470gas station.82600:51:22,529 --> 00:51:23,879Adam Curry: Now. Can I move tomusic?82700:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,660Dave Jones: You will? Let me82800:51:27,690 --> 00:51:29,280Adam Curry: I'm waiting for youto wrap this up.82900:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,510Dave Jones: Yes, yes, you areallowed to move to music?83000:51:36,540 --> 00:51:38,880Adam Curry: Well, because wecan't we can't thank you point83100:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,060of personal privilege. Granted,we can't. We can't do anything83200:51:45,060 --> 00:51:50,490more here than I mean. So we areat an interesting crossroads. We83300:51:50,490 --> 00:51:55,050have an implementation of crossapp comments, which I think is83400:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,680pretty much good to go. I thinkthere's some core issues still,83500:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,120maybe there's some issues. Butreally, app developers are not83600:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,940surfacing this. And they're notenabling the the posting part.83700:52:12,270 --> 00:52:14,400Am I correct? That's how closewe are.83800:52:16,290 --> 00:52:18,840Dave Jones: Yeah, it's veryclose. And just to maybe to83900:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,740maybe throw one more thing in isit and you just kind of jogged84000:52:22,740 --> 00:52:26,760my memory on is I want I want toreach sort of re emphasize the84100:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,040fact that this is not the pointwhere the point where the app84200:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,240communicates the comment, or, orgets the car, like I don't want84300:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,620to change the way we do things.I like our comments, existing84400:52:40,620 --> 00:52:45,360activity pub. And so but wecould still benefit from this84500:52:45,660 --> 00:52:50,820JSON version of comments, whichis create a tool that that wraps84600:52:50,820 --> 00:52:53,880everything up and creates insucks at all and creates a JSON84700:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,730file that makes it easy for theapp that way, the app doesn't84800:52:56,730 --> 00:52:58,860have to communicate withpotentially 27 different84900:52:58,860 --> 00:53:02,490activity post servers. Likethat's what I mean, again, about85000:53:02,490 --> 00:53:05,760like, decentralizing upstream,that you're making it easier on85100:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,700the apps, but you still get thedecentralization that makes us85200:53:08,700 --> 00:53:09,630all warm and fuzzy.85300:53:10,230 --> 00:53:12,210Adam Curry: That's good. For me,that's called interrup.85400:53:12,990 --> 00:53:16,260Dave Jones: Yeah, we like we canstill do it the way we want to.85500:53:16,830 --> 00:53:22,650And, and, but then boil it alldown for the apps to be easy.85600:53:23,580 --> 00:53:25,530Adam Curry: I love that. And Iwant this chat thing85700:53:25,530 --> 00:53:26,250immediately.85800:53:27,780 --> 00:53:29,190Dave Jones: To watch as I want85900:53:29,190 --> 00:53:30,990Adam Curry: it immediately, Iwant I want to have this chat86000:53:30,990 --> 00:53:33,030server I want I want to use thisis fun.86100:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,270Dave Jones: Okay, it's as closeto done.86200:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,230Adam Curry: But once once we getthe IRC part, that bridge I86300:53:40,230 --> 00:53:41,280think has to be made.86400:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,180Dave Jones: Well, the good thingabout the about boost bot and86500:53:45,180 --> 00:53:49,410everything is they can just, youknow, speak noster as well, if86600:53:49,410 --> 00:53:52,140they want to go straight in andthey'll they'll be able to talk86700:53:52,140 --> 00:53:54,900to the relay. Interesting.86800:53:56,460 --> 00:53:58,350Adam Curry: Let's seem thatseems that sounds like a86900:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,660something for the IRC boys toput together.87000:54:01,950 --> 00:54:04,320Dave Jones: Now, but it willdefinitely suck in IRC. That's87100:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,510That's next on the list. I lovethat.87200:54:09,330 --> 00:54:13,050Adam Curry: Well, Daniel Jaysidea about the whole discussion87300:54:13,050 --> 00:54:17,910around you know, having theseindividual files which we have,87400:54:17,910 --> 00:54:21,090we have an individual transcriptfile, we have individual87500:54:21,090 --> 00:54:27,750chapters file. And so I wasracking my brain, you know, also87600:54:27,750 --> 00:54:33,060looking at the remote item tag,which is, it's really confusing,87700:54:33,060 --> 00:54:35,100because I think we're alltalking about something no one87800:54:35,130 --> 00:54:37,980no one's ever going to just putan episode of someone else's87900:54:37,980 --> 00:54:40,710show into your feed. I'm notgoing to do it. I don't know why88000:54:40,710 --> 00:54:44,340anyone else would ever do it.But it's built for playlists for88100:54:44,340 --> 00:54:47,850music. That part I understand.Is that right? Am I correct?88200:54:47,850 --> 00:54:50,640That I think everyone agreesthat everyone's just talking88300:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,000about it. But are you reallygoing to put someone else's88400:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,560episode in your feed? Really?88500:54:56,670 --> 00:55:00,510Dave Jones: Yeah, I don't thinkthat I think it can do That's88600:55:00,510 --> 00:55:03,840the thing it can do. But it'sits primary intent is for is for88700:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,560other means mediums, right?Because playlists become more88800:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,940important with other mediums.88900:55:09,450 --> 00:55:15,240Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Soplaylisting. Fantastic. So I was89000:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,910thinking now again, so I'm out,you know, I've just seen a89100:55:17,910 --> 00:55:21,870concert, I'm digging these guys.I'm seeing all these different.89200:55:22,260 --> 00:55:25,890These are guys who still selltheir CDs for $5 at the venue,89300:55:26,490 --> 00:55:29,130you know? Because, you know,what money are you making off89400:55:29,130 --> 00:55:34,200of? Off of music sales? Nothing.So that's, you know, but of89500:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,360course, merch, a lot of merchstuff. It's hard to see you89600:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,390commenting in the chat while I'mtalking to you. It's like that,89700:55:42,390 --> 00:55:44,820like, I immediately feel likeyou're not listening to me.89800:55:45,359 --> 00:55:46,439Dave Jones: heard everything yousaid.89900:55:47,279 --> 00:55:48,899Adam Curry: I know. I'm justsaying it's weird.90000:55:50,550 --> 00:55:52,350Dave Jones: This is what happenswhen you you know, look on your90100:55:52,350 --> 00:55:54,630wife's talking to you. You'renot really listening. And she's90200:55:54,630 --> 00:55:55,230like, are you listening?90300:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,380Adam Curry: That's exactly how Ifelt just there for a moment. I90400:55:58,380 --> 00:56:00,750felt like your wife is like,You're not listening to me, Dave90500:56:00,750 --> 00:56:01,830Jones. But90600:56:02,430 --> 00:56:04,590Dave Jones: then I'm like, youbut what you do is you just90700:56:04,590 --> 00:56:07,710repeat the last word that shesaid. You said, you said play90800:56:07,710 --> 00:56:08,100live. Yeah.90900:56:12,210 --> 00:56:14,250Adam Curry: So I'm also out inNashville. I'm talking to Jeff91000:56:14,250 --> 00:56:17,700Smith. And I'm talking to himabout you know, about value for91100:56:17,700 --> 00:56:20,370value and how it's working. Andyou know, what wave Lake is91200:56:20,370 --> 00:56:25,140doing. And you know, basicallyhow we've set up the whole 2.091300:56:25,140 --> 00:56:28,500standard with the medium tagequals music so that we can do91400:56:28,500 --> 00:56:33,180music was split. And believe me,musicians get it. Musicians go91500:56:33,180 --> 00:56:38,250Oh, hold on a second. When I saywe get rid of ASCAP BMI, the91600:56:38,250 --> 00:56:42,420ears perk up, you know, and Iand I know the best joke now91700:56:42,420 --> 00:56:45,090it's like, yeah, we can evengive the drummer a split. And91800:56:45,090 --> 00:56:48,090everyone finds that joke.Hilarious. Everyone in the band91900:56:48,090 --> 00:56:50,490thinks that's funny, except forthe drummer isn't for the92000:56:50,490 --> 00:56:58,740drummer. And then it hit me. Weneed possibly so what I so why92100:56:58,740 --> 00:57:03,240is the music business so broken?The music business is broken for92200:57:03,240 --> 00:57:06,900a number of reasons. But I wouldsay the number one is radio92300:57:06,900 --> 00:57:11,850sucks, radio was corporate radiowas controlled. The radio is92400:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,110tight playlist is very hard toget your record played. And92500:57:16,140 --> 00:57:21,000there is no way that you canreally do a music based show92600:57:21,000 --> 00:57:27,180legally on a podcast, you justcan't do it. Because unless you92700:57:27,180 --> 00:57:31,620have unless the artist has therights, and I said okay, you can92800:57:31,710 --> 00:57:33,750you can play my stuff on yourshow. It's okay. It's92900:57:33,750 --> 00:57:36,660downloadable. And that's a lotof okay, there's a lot of93000:57:36,660 --> 00:57:40,620giveaways that artists you know,when you're in the ASCAP, BMI,93100:57:40,620 --> 00:57:46,470sound exchange, Harry Foxpublishing world. No, it93200:57:46,470 --> 00:57:48,750doesn't, that's never gonnahappen. Yeah, you can do it. But93300:57:48,780 --> 00:57:53,040eventually, you're gonna getrailed for it. So we need a way93400:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,830that incentivizes everybodythat's always been my model. So93500:57:55,830 --> 00:57:59,430I want to do a show. Now, wetalked about the wave Lake, top93600:57:59,430 --> 00:58:02,94010, and all that. But let's justsay I want to do a show. And I93700:58:02,940 --> 00:58:06,330want to play music, they want tointerview some people. But when93800:58:06,330 --> 00:58:11,370I play music, I want the valueblock for that music to be93900:58:11,370 --> 00:58:16,920activated. And I want allstreaming, SATs and all booster94000:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,370grams to go to that value block.I would like to have a piece for94100:58:20,370 --> 00:58:23,640myself, because it's still myshow. But then when that song is94200:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,120over, then it comes back. Nowthis would work for interviews,94300:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,160it would work for a whole bunchof different things, as you can94400:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,000imagine, even for you could evenuse it as a voting mechanism.94500:58:33,030 --> 00:58:35,700Oh, this person is speaking. Andnow everything is going through94600:58:35,700 --> 00:58:41,490this one, two, this one boostergram interface for this show. is94700:58:41,490 --> 00:58:45,660now going to that entity. Youwith me? Yeah, that's the dream.94800:58:46,230 --> 00:58:52,890The way to do it, I think isvery similar. have instead is94900:58:53,010 --> 00:59:01,020have an option on the value tagfor to be remote. And that would95000:59:01,020 --> 00:59:03,420be Believe it or not here, I'mgoing to say it would might be a95100:59:03,420 --> 00:59:11,190JSON file that has that has mymy standard splits for for the95200:59:11,220 --> 00:59:16,530for that episode. But then hastime codes just like chapters.95300:59:17,430 --> 00:59:25,530And then for this, God this guidthis. And then the app looks at95400:59:25,530 --> 00:59:30,900that guid and pulls it and pullsin the value block for that95500:59:30,900 --> 00:59:36,060entity which I hope would thenbe an album a song or an artist95600:59:36,060 --> 00:59:39,540etc. And does that make sense?95700:59:40,260 --> 00:59:43,080Dave Jones: Okay, so you'retalking about a show, you've95800:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,400done a show and you've publishedit. Now when the app is is95900:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,430reading through the showstructure,96000:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,670Adam Curry: it's picking up soit's these remote value block.96100:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,160I'm just I'm not a developerclearly, I'm just shooting from96200:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,970the hip. So in the value blockof six oh remote, okay. They say96301:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,450goes looked at this remote andit says, Use this valid these96401:00:03,450 --> 01:00:06,720splits this, these valuesthroughout the show except for96501:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,650this time code from here tohere, use this shows value96601:00:10,650 --> 01:00:15,930block. And in my mind is just areferral code so that you're not96701:00:15,930 --> 01:00:19,230pulling in the actual valueblock, but that maybe it's the96801:00:19,230 --> 01:00:22,620GUID for for that for thatparticular song or that96901:00:22,620 --> 01:00:27,720particular album. And I'm justusing good loosely here. Or you97001:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,280could of course, use a URL, butwe know how shitty that is long97101:00:32,280 --> 01:00:40,560term. So if somehow is the GUID,then then the then the band97201:00:40,590 --> 01:00:43,890whose music I played, they canchange their fuck you think97301:00:43,890 --> 01:00:47,940activity Shut up, I'm talkingabout97401:00:50,190 --> 01:00:52,620Dave Jones: want to sing thecrap out of me?97501:00:54,060 --> 01:00:56,130Adam Curry: I would like youknow, so they have complete97601:00:56,130 --> 01:00:59,490control over their value blockand change that at any time. But97701:00:59,490 --> 01:01:03,210I'll still refer to them from myremote value block. Does that97801:01:03,210 --> 01:01:03,960make sense?97901:01:05,220 --> 01:01:08,970Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it makesperfect sense. I think like this98001:01:10,020 --> 01:01:14,940is just chapters, right? If weput the value Yes, block into98101:01:15,090 --> 01:01:18,330the chapter markers that wouldsolve this,98201:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,900Adam Curry: that actually that,of course came up in my mind as98301:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,690well, we already have the tools,all we need to do is just add98401:01:25,530 --> 01:01:29,100the referral code for anothervalue block. I just didn't, what98501:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,010I didn't want to do as I didn'twant to start off a let's put98601:01:32,010 --> 01:01:34,860pod roll and all these things inone go. I didn't want to start98701:01:34,860 --> 01:01:39,510that off. So if it belongs inchapters, I'm fine with that. I98801:01:39,510 --> 01:01:41,970just want to get going, I justwant to do a show because I got98901:01:41,970 --> 01:01:46,110Jeff Smith saying, I know a lotof musicians who have bought99001:01:46,110 --> 01:01:48,840back all their music, they ownthe publishing, they owned99101:01:48,900 --> 01:01:53,700everything. And they and there'san high level of interest to do99201:01:53,700 --> 01:01:54,180this.99301:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,290Dave Jones: Well, it's it's agood timing to do this. Because99401:01:58,290 --> 01:02:01,860I've got as ethnic, though,would for sure work. I mean, now99501:02:01,860 --> 01:02:07,020you know, we're gonna have tomake it where it needs to be a99601:02:07,020 --> 01:02:10,350reference, it can't really behard coded because you're gonna99701:02:10,350 --> 01:02:13,680have exact Yeah, you you becauseyou need to be able to call out99801:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,040to that other feed and see whatits current value block is99901:02:18,030 --> 01:02:22,620rather than, like, sucking it inhard coded into recurrent100001:02:22,620 --> 01:02:23,070chapters.100101:02:23,610 --> 01:02:26,100Adam Curry: Right. So maybe thisis even a smarter way to do it.100201:02:26,430 --> 01:02:32,040Maybe, since we already havechapter files, maybe there's100301:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,370some tag in there, or maybe justwhen it reads the chapter files100401:02:35,370 --> 01:02:40,530if it comes across a value,value block reference guid for100501:02:40,530 --> 01:02:45,330that chapter, which has a startand an end. Maybe just overrides100601:02:45,330 --> 01:02:48,360whatever, whatever it's usingfrom the feed and uses that and100701:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,360then come and pops back afterit's done and then goes back to100801:02:51,360 --> 01:02:51,900the feed.100901:02:53,910 --> 01:02:56,100Dave Jones: Yeah, yes, yes. Forsure. Something like that. Yeah,101001:02:56,100 --> 01:02:56,220we'll101101:02:56,220 --> 01:02:58,860Adam Curry: call it chaptervalue split or something chapter101201:02:58,860 --> 01:03:00,480value block or something likethat.101301:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,760Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, we'vetalked about doing this, there101401:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,180may even be already be aproposal for this in there. I101501:03:06,180 --> 01:03:09,570haven't looked in a while. Butit's good timing to do it.101601:03:09,570 --> 01:03:14,670Because we're out. This fitswith. Again, everything's101701:03:14,670 --> 01:03:18,870fitting together this way thisfits with what we need anyway,101801:03:18,870 --> 01:03:22,290which is, which is replyaddresses in the value block101901:03:22,290 --> 01:03:23,040addresses. Yeah,102001:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,530Adam Curry: you go, there you gofeel the need102101:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,960Dave Jones: need to have a wayto reply back to reply back in102201:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,110boost some boot, you know, youneed to know where if it's102301:03:34,110 --> 01:03:38,490course by choice. If they wantto include this in the to v,102401:03:38,490 --> 01:03:42,600then the person receiving theboost can then reply back to102501:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,170that person with and with aboost. So, I mean, if we're102601:03:46,170 --> 01:03:50,130already in there making thesechanges anyway. I mean, what one102701:03:50,130 --> 01:03:53,520I just, you know, come up with,with having just proposed both102801:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,990at the same time. No, I thinkit's it makes perfect, perfect102901:03:57,990 --> 01:03:59,640sense. I would I wouldn't Iwouldn't do it.103001:03:59,669 --> 01:04:02,849Adam Curry: I would I would loveto have this. And I think that103101:04:02,879 --> 01:04:07,889possibly the app devs I thinkanyone everyone who has V four v103201:04:07,889 --> 01:04:11,819and the apps probably havechapters as well, I think it103301:04:11,819 --> 01:04:15,209will, I would love doing thisbecause we will we will spawn we103401:04:15,209 --> 01:04:20,399will I guarantee it will spawn awhole generation of people103501:04:20,519 --> 01:04:25,679playing not so I'm so sick for20 years now. It's all been the103601:04:25,679 --> 01:04:29,459only way you can do is playlist,set up your playlist put it on103701:04:29,459 --> 01:04:33,629your shoutcast server I'm sosick of it. I want and there's a103801:04:33,629 --> 01:04:38,189lot of good music out there.And, and and the artists are103901:04:38,189 --> 01:04:41,399ready bands are ready performersare ready. They're ready to get104001:04:41,399 --> 01:04:44,579paid. They're just sitting theregetting jerked around by104101:04:44,579 --> 01:04:48,029everybody. And if you can sayget your Albie wallet just to104201:04:48,029 --> 01:04:52,409make it easy, you know, we can'trely on all only on apt get Alby104301:04:52,409 --> 01:04:55,379but you know what I'm saying?Get your Alby wallet because104401:04:55,409 --> 01:04:59,789this is what what Jeff Smithsees. He sees 5% from a lot of104501:04:59,789 --> 01:05:03,539different and shows certainlymine going to him. And he sees104601:05:03,539 --> 01:05:05,999that, you know, in a certainpoint you'd like to 3 million104701:05:05,999 --> 01:05:09,629sets you pay attention likewell, that's kind of nice. Yeah,104801:05:09,659 --> 01:05:13,889for sure. You know, so I wantartists to have that feeling I104901:05:13,889 --> 01:05:18,239want them to fire up, you know,contracts. I want them to see105001:05:18,539 --> 01:05:21,599that the SATs dripping in. Iwant them to get that that105101:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,239feeling of oh, there's lovesomeone's listening to my show.105201:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,479Where's it coming from? Oh, it'scoming from that podcast. Oh,105301:05:27,479 --> 01:05:33,779that's great. I mean, the onething in in American country105401:05:33,779 --> 01:05:39,059radio and I would say Christianrock radio. There is a love105501:05:39,089 --> 01:05:42,779affair between artists andradio, watch any country show105601:05:42,779 --> 01:05:45,929you can stomach because I lovecountry. But the show the award105701:05:45,929 --> 01:05:50,129shows are sickening to watch anycountry watch or you can't. And105801:05:50,129 --> 01:05:54,359then all the artists go andthank you country radio. I want105901:05:54,359 --> 01:05:57,389I want to take that away. I wantto take all that away. And I106001:05:57,389 --> 01:06:00,659want it to be thank you thispodcast. Thank you that podcast106101:06:00,659 --> 01:06:03,299because the artists can see it.There's accountability. And106201:06:03,299 --> 01:06:06,689there's actual money of valuebeing shared from people who106301:06:06,689 --> 01:06:09,389like what they're hearing. Andthen they can go over and then106401:06:09,539 --> 01:06:12,629right away and start listeningto all your stuff. And then and106501:06:12,629 --> 01:06:16,799then sending value for that theecosystem is there. Let's get it106601:06:16,799 --> 01:06:17,429done.106701:06:23,670 --> 01:06:24,810Dave Jones: It belongs in thechapters106801:06:24,810 --> 01:06:27,390Adam Curry: for sure. Okay,good. Well, that's a great place106901:06:27,390 --> 01:06:27,780for it.107001:06:28,410 --> 01:06:30,600Dave Jones: I don't want it Idon't want to have a discussion107101:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,300about whether it's a metadatafile or chapters. It's a107201:06:33,300 --> 01:06:34,500chapters file. Yeah, it's107301:06:34,530 --> 01:06:36,210Adam Curry: that we're nothaving that we're not having.107401:06:36,690 --> 01:06:39,210I'm going to talk to Steven B.And we're going to make it work107501:06:39,210 --> 01:06:44,220in curio caster and sovereignfeeds first. But anyway, if107601:06:44,220 --> 01:06:46,260that's the that'll be ourreference app.107701:06:47,250 --> 01:06:50,850Dave Jones: Well, I'll proposeit into the namespace because107801:06:50,850 --> 01:06:55,380I've already got to be in theredoing the proposal for reply107901:06:55,380 --> 01:06:56,820addresses anyway. And we'll have108001:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,820Adam Curry: we'll have pod fansdoing it right away too. Because108101:06:59,820 --> 01:07:03,120you know, so yeah, Sam was like,what? Oh, wait, wait. Oh, wait108201:07:03,120 --> 01:07:09,150there, ladies and gentlemen.Sakala blades on am Fallout108301:07:09,150 --> 01:07:11,550101010 from Sam sefie.108401:07:12,090 --> 01:07:14,970Dave Jones: Well, I mean, like,like a third of the tags that108501:07:14,970 --> 01:07:18,540Sam has in pod fans don't needor not even finalized. I don't108601:07:18,540 --> 01:07:20,190even know what you're doingSam's like108701:07:20,190 --> 01:07:22,710Adam Curry: what he says, Ireally need to walk the dog108801:07:22,710 --> 01:07:25,050while the show is live. It'sFriday night, the wife keeps108901:07:25,050 --> 01:07:27,930interrupting me. Just tellingyou just to pretend like you're109001:07:27,930 --> 01:07:31,260listening, Sam. She doesn'tunderstand why I want to listen109101:07:31,260 --> 01:07:34,770live because it's cool. As forcross app comments, I'm looking109201:07:34,770 --> 01:07:37,350to use noster not activity pub.Sorry, don't worry, it looks109301:07:37,350 --> 01:07:40,230like we'll be able to do allI've implemented pod rolls and109401:07:40,230 --> 01:07:43,050playlists which really work wellfor podcasts and music. I don't109501:07:43,050 --> 01:07:45,360get the remote item tag. Whilewe've worked through all of109601:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,180that, Sam, we've already fixedit all for you. Don't worry.109701:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,350Yeah, it's no SAM. SAM willimplement the chapter splits.109801:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,220I'm excited. And but it doeshave to be and can we do that109901:07:56,220 --> 01:07:59,370with the GUID Can you referencewith a good edge of this pocket?110001:07:59,370 --> 01:08:03,240This this this artist or thisalbum? Or this collection of110101:08:03,240 --> 01:08:10,380songs? Can you can you referencethe actual item level? Value110201:08:10,380 --> 01:08:13,770block split? Yeah, with anabstraction what would that be?110301:08:13,830 --> 01:08:15,270What's that? Is that good? Good?110401:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,240Dave Jones: Yes, good. Good.110501:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,230Adam Curry: Item. Good. Is it?110601:08:19,890 --> 01:08:21,690Dave Jones: I mean, that's whatthe remote item thing. That's110701:08:21,690 --> 01:08:26,790what remote item is? It's areference to a feed. Good. And110801:08:26,790 --> 01:08:29,700then a Episode Good. Oh, well,110901:08:30,150 --> 01:08:32,070Adam Curry: okay, then there's areason for that thing to111001:08:32,100 --> 01:08:32,940perfect.111101:08:34,440 --> 01:08:37,800Dave Jones: You go that, youknow, the chapters is the where111201:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,990you what remote item can't do isgive you time, like this section111301:08:42,990 --> 01:08:46,530of this, of this show has to bethis than this other section has111401:08:46,530 --> 01:08:49,560to be that, like, if you'redoing a single show that has to111501:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,930be chopped up into into bits. Itcan't do that. But it can it can111601:08:54,930 --> 01:08:56,220reference that show.111701:08:57,569 --> 01:08:59,879Adam Curry: It can reference ashow and an item within the111801:08:59,879 --> 01:09:07,349show. Yes. Okay. So the chaptervalue split, can reference a111901:09:07,349 --> 01:09:12,869remote item and use and sayokay, the value block from this112001:09:12,869 --> 01:09:17,639remote item, correct? Yes. Good.Steven B isn't built yet.112101:09:21,120 --> 01:09:27,660Dave Jones: Like this. Yeah, socheck. So the chapters. Thing is112201:09:27,870 --> 01:09:29,250the chapters. That's what it'sfor.112301:09:29,310 --> 01:09:32,700Adam Curry: I'm Jack. I'm Jack.I'm jacked and ready to go.112401:09:32,700 --> 01:09:33,300Let's do it.112501:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,780Dave Jones: I want I want toswitch gears for a second and112601:09:39,780 --> 01:09:51,180discuss made for kids. Yeah,sounds exciting. You said112701:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,980Adam Curry: no, but I'm allyours. Well, I'm sorry honey. We112801:09:55,980 --> 01:09:57,870were talking about somethingI'll playlist I'm sorry. What?112901:09:58,830 --> 01:09:59,970Something about the kids113001:10:00,510 --> 01:10:03,570Dave Jones: The Kids Are thekids in trouble. Are they? Okay?113101:10:04,320 --> 01:10:10,110The so the kids they made forkids. There's been this okay,113201:10:10,110 --> 01:10:14,550the longest running well, how doI how do I lay this out? Okay,113301:10:14,580 --> 01:10:19,020all right, the longest runningthread on the podcast names the113401:10:19,020 --> 01:10:25,290issue issue on the podcastnamespace repo. Is this mother113501:10:25,290 --> 01:10:28,380effing censorship thread?113601:10:28,500 --> 01:10:31,590Adam Curry: Wow. Is it an Fbomb? How about that? Yeah, I113701:10:31,590 --> 01:10:32,460did. Yeah.113801:10:33,390 --> 01:10:42,300Dave Jones: Is in it's like 1000comments long. Like, in there is113901:10:42,300 --> 01:10:47,070absolutely no better sense ofwhat to do at the end of this114001:10:47,070 --> 01:10:49,890thing than there was at thebeginning. There may be a lot114101:10:49,890 --> 01:10:54,270more confusion on the last postthan there was at the at the at114201:10:54,270 --> 01:10:59,460the first post. It's thiscontent ratings. This is not114301:10:59,460 --> 01:11:04,200censorship. It's contentratings. Like, how do we label114401:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,680these things? As this is safefor kids? This is not safe for114501:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,420kids age, which should it be byage? Should it be by content?114601:11:12,630 --> 01:11:16,200Should it be by this? It's likeit's it just goes round and114701:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,650round and round? And everybodyhates each other? And everybody114801:11:19,650 --> 01:11:21,330comes out with blackouts? Yeah,114901:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,340Adam Curry: yeah, that's whatusually happens in those115001:11:23,340 --> 01:11:25,080conversations. It's why stay outof them.115101:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,350Dave Jones: Yeah. Town recordsthat bring in Tipper Gore we115201:11:28,350 --> 01:11:35,190need tipper That's right. Yep.So hear you, Tom. At some point115301:11:35,190 --> 01:11:38,610on Rossy popped popped in acouple of115401:11:38,610 --> 01:11:41,280Adam Curry: weeks, because he'sa masochist. Yes, he popped in.115501:11:41,610 --> 01:11:42,960He did. Everybody.115601:11:44,040 --> 01:11:50,280Dave Jones: He popped in with anew tag that just has a single115701:11:50,280 --> 01:11:57,150purpose, which is podcast colonmade for kids. And it would just115801:11:57,150 --> 01:12:03,060be true or false. And, as usual,with these types of things, I115901:12:03,060 --> 01:12:06,240was like, Well, I'm just gonnagive this some time to bake. And116001:12:06,240 --> 01:12:11,250think about it. And the more Ithink about it, I think it's a116101:12:11,250 --> 01:12:16,410great idea. At first I didn't, Iwas just, I was calling in, I116201:12:16,410 --> 01:12:20,010think it's a really good idea.In here, here, let me try to do116301:12:20,010 --> 01:12:28,050my best to explain why. The, theidea of who the podcast is made116401:12:28,050 --> 01:12:38,910for and what is in it cannotcoexist. That is that is now116501:12:38,910 --> 01:12:43,770obvious from the from the 1000posts, long issue of content116601:12:43,770 --> 01:12:49,770ratings, you cannot combine anotion of who the podcast is116701:12:49,770 --> 01:12:56,100intended for, and what thecontent is into the same thing.116801:12:57,600 --> 01:13:03,270As usual tags, the tags that gointo the namespace, they have to116901:13:03,270 --> 01:13:07,770be boiled down to their ver totheir to their most basic117001:13:07,770 --> 01:13:13,080essence. It has to do it's justlike a Unix command tool. It has117101:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,550to do one thing and it has to doit well. And only one thing and117201:13:17,550 --> 01:13:23,460it is so easy. It is so temptingto bring in 234 or five other117301:13:23,460 --> 01:13:26,490things. And that's what is goingon with the pod roll and all117401:13:26,490 --> 01:13:32,190this stuff in it is it's a don'tlike it. And I'm I'm not going117501:13:32,190 --> 01:13:37,620to participate in in theconstruction of tags that are117601:13:37,620 --> 01:13:39,270these multi layered beasts.117701:13:40,290 --> 01:13:41,280Unknown: Spoken.117801:13:44,910 --> 01:13:47,370Dave Jones: It's just it'sdestined for failure because117901:13:47,370 --> 01:13:51,060it's complex, conceptuallycomplex, and technically118001:13:51,060 --> 01:13:58,650complex. The the simplicity ofpod roll in the reason why that118101:13:58,710 --> 01:14:03,900everybody immediately liked it.Or many people immediately liked118201:14:03,900 --> 01:14:08,490it as enough to even beginimplementing it is because it's118301:14:08,490 --> 01:14:15,120very simple. It's you is just areference to another to another118401:14:15,150 --> 01:14:18,540to other shows. It's justthere's no ambiguity there.118501:14:18,540 --> 01:14:22,950There's no complexity there.That's all it is. The made for118601:14:22,950 --> 01:14:33,660kids thing is very similar. Itdoes one thing it says the118701:14:33,660 --> 01:14:39,600podcaster do they think thatthey they intend for this show118801:14:39,600 --> 01:14:45,900to be listened to by children?And we all know what we all know118901:14:45,900 --> 01:14:51,810what a child is. Okay, well,there's we that's universal. Now119001:14:51,810 --> 01:14:55,170I'm and I'm purposely notthinking about ages and things119101:14:55,170 --> 01:14:59,970like this. If you're an adult,there's a time where you see119201:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,580Stop calling them a kid. Or youstop thinking of them as your as119301:15:05,580 --> 01:15:08,520your children as a child, andyou begin to think of them just119401:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,250as your children, as you know,adults or young adults or119501:15:11,250 --> 01:15:15,810whatever. We all know, in thiscontext what a child is. So that119601:15:15,810 --> 01:15:20,730when I say is this made forchildren? Universally, everybody119701:15:20,730 --> 01:15:25,200knows roughly what that means.And so a podcaster, if they say,119801:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,280Look, my podcast, this podcastI'm developing, it is made for119901:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,670children I want it's theintended audience is children.120001:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,650That's not ambiguous. It's avery easy thing to understand.120101:15:39,540 --> 01:15:42,960And it's purposefully separateentirely separate from the120201:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,230content of what is in the show.I may say, My show is made for120301:15:49,230 --> 01:15:54,120kids. And in this show, there isthings about sex education, or120401:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,880what bubble herb, just name name15 Different companies as a120501:15:56,880 --> 01:16:03,690content that I've just describedtwo different things. My intent120601:16:03,690 --> 01:16:09,660is that is that my show belistened to by children. My in?120701:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,240That's enough, that's enough onits own. The content question120801:16:16,650 --> 01:16:20,940that I don't know if we willever get to that resolution, I120901:16:20,940 --> 01:16:22,650don't know if we'll ever come upwith something that makes121001:16:22,650 --> 01:16:25,380everybody happy. I mean, weprobably won't you121101:16:25,380 --> 01:16:27,420Adam Curry: made your point, Ithink the biggest point you make121201:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,930here is the Unix tool example.And I appreciate that. And I121301:16:30,930 --> 01:16:39,030think that I'm fine with a madefor children. And what I don't121401:16:39,030 --> 01:16:42,750know why this was proposed, orwho was looking for it, I have121501:16:42,750 --> 01:16:46,470kids, I still call them kids. IfI had little children and I saw121601:16:46,470 --> 01:16:50,010made for kids, I would not trustthat to be listened to by my121701:16:50,010 --> 01:16:52,560kid, I would listen to it first,which is ultimately where the121801:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,500responsibility lies. Becauseyeah, I wouldn't might want my121901:16:55,500 --> 01:16:58,740kid listening to drag time,story hour or whatever. You122001:16:58,740 --> 01:17:01,740know, there's a lot of contentmade for kids, and a lot of122101:17:01,740 --> 01:17:04,290content made for kids that Idon't find appropriate for my122201:17:04,290 --> 01:17:10,650children. And so using this asan example of maybe a larger122301:17:10,650 --> 01:17:15,150issue, what I'm seeing here, inthe discussions on the GitHub,122401:17:15,450 --> 01:17:18,690it is painfully obvious to mewhy there was 10 years of122501:17:18,690 --> 01:17:23,250inactivity in podcasting,because all the same agendas and122601:17:23,250 --> 01:17:27,570ideas and thoughts and peopleall come around. And they all122701:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,710have these endlessconversations. And ultimately,122801:17:31,710 --> 01:17:37,950we have 10 developers. If I'm inthat may, that may be even more122901:17:37,950 --> 01:17:42,210than we have who actuallyimplementing these things. So I123001:17:42,210 --> 01:17:46,650find there's so much energybeing put into arguing over and123101:17:46,650 --> 01:17:50,220odious things. And here's how weshould do it here. So I think a123201:17:50,220 --> 01:17:53,130lot of I think, I think i thinki think i think i think i think123301:17:53,580 --> 01:17:56,430and when and when someone cansay, here's something very123401:17:56,430 --> 01:17:59,790simple, it does this. I'm allfor it. I don't care if it's123501:17:59,790 --> 01:18:05,220made for kids, I don't care ifit's I don't care what it is, I123601:18:05,250 --> 01:18:07,800that's the analogy I'm going tohold on to I like that a lot.123701:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,060Because I understand that moregrep into something else, you123801:18:12,060 --> 01:18:15,180know, if as long as I can pipethese commands, like we're doing123901:18:15,180 --> 01:18:19,650now, literally, with remote itemand chapter. That's the way we124001:18:19,650 --> 01:18:23,940need to look at it. And I'm I'mactually disappointed with how124101:18:23,940 --> 01:18:28,080much drivel is being posted onthe GitHub, and back and forth.124201:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,310And that, and then, and that,and that. And although I find it124301:18:32,310 --> 01:18:35,580humorous, when James comes inand says I'm disappointed, then124401:18:35,580 --> 01:18:39,420I'm like, Oh, my God, like,where are we with all this?124501:18:39,810 --> 01:18:45,210Yeah, now well, and so um, so I,once again, I pray and praise124601:18:45,210 --> 01:18:48,210for the developers, I praiseyou. Thank you. Thank you for124701:18:48,210 --> 01:18:51,270coming in. Thank you for comingin early. Thank you for getting124801:18:51,270 --> 01:18:54,810all the basics. And you areultimately going to implement124901:18:54,810 --> 01:18:58,860what you want what you feel isright for your users, for the125001:18:58,860 --> 01:19:02,580people who are using your app.And I cannot thank you enough125101:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,640for getting getting us everyoneelse. And I'm just as guilty of125201:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,870it at times. But getting all ofus out of this endless loop of125301:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,820horseshit that just goes roundand round and round. People want125401:19:14,820 --> 01:19:18,480to listen to a podcast. It'shard enough for me to get them125501:19:18,480 --> 01:19:23,910to understand that you can lookat chapters. So it's a slow boil125601:19:23,910 --> 01:19:27,270people. It's a very, very slowboil. And the simpler we make125701:19:27,270 --> 01:19:30,330things and the simpler we thethings are that we implement the125801:19:30,360 --> 01:19:30,960better.125901:19:33,990 --> 01:19:38,400Dave Jones: The the reason thatmade for children thing kind of126001:19:38,430 --> 01:19:44,070piqued my interest was becausethere is a use case there. You126101:19:44,070 --> 01:19:47,910know, it's hard. I've taughtI've personally had a zoom call126201:19:47,910 --> 01:19:51,630with a person who's writing whowas writing I don't know if126301:19:51,630 --> 01:19:54,600they're still doing it, but theywere involved with a podcast app126401:19:54,780 --> 01:20:00,990for kids. And it was verychallenging to figure all that126501:20:00,990 --> 01:20:06,960out. It's a very manual process.If you could take the if you126601:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,490have to sort through 4 millionpodcasts and figure out the 500126701:20:11,490 --> 01:20:14,340that are made for kids, right,but126801:20:14,490 --> 01:20:16,380Adam Curry: that's aboutwanting, but you know what your126901:20:16,380 --> 01:20:19,470point is made? We can go becauseall the exceptions are obvious.127001:20:19,620 --> 01:20:22,500I'm a pedophile, I'm going tomake a podcast called made for127101:20:22,500 --> 01:20:26,400kids. I mean, it's obvious, it'sobvious, it will not work for127201:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,390content. It's what's clear is itdoes one thing, it tells a127301:20:30,390 --> 01:20:34,830parent, this is for kids, this Imade this for kids. You can127401:20:34,830 --> 01:20:37,320listen to this and see if it'sappropriate for your kid. That's127501:20:37,320 --> 01:20:37,650it.127601:20:37,980 --> 01:20:40,260Dave Jones: Right. That's,that's it? Yes, that's it. And127701:20:40,260 --> 01:20:44,070so, just to finish, just tofinish my thought, though, if127801:20:44,640 --> 01:20:53,010like, is at least a flag to say,you don't have to sort through 4127901:20:53,010 --> 01:20:58,050million podcasts to to findthose that you will then whittle128001:20:58,050 --> 01:21:02,490down. You can start with, youknow, a couple 1000. Yeah, I'm128101:21:02,490 --> 01:21:06,270at agreement. Yeah, like, it'sjust me. That's why I think it's128201:21:06,270 --> 01:21:09,600worth doing. Because, I mean,otherwise, who cares? You see,128301:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,730I'm saying, I mean, like,there's there has to be some128401:21:11,730 --> 01:21:17,190reason for it. And I just want Ijust want to the light exactly,128501:21:17,190 --> 01:21:22,620like you said, if you aresponsible parent is going to128601:21:22,620 --> 01:21:26,700listen to the content no matterwhat. First, so it doesn't128701:21:26,700 --> 01:21:29,610matter what the content ratingsare, there's hope I never see128801:21:29,610 --> 01:21:31,260the word content ratings everagain.128901:21:31,590 --> 01:21:34,620Adam Curry: No, it's not acontent rating. And I'm just129001:21:34,620 --> 01:21:38,400saying yes, to have everyoneshut the fuck up over it. I'm129101:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,930tired of it. Seriously, it'slike fine habit for kids. It's129201:21:42,930 --> 01:21:45,990not going to change anythingsaid whittled down, something129301:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,920that parents have to look atlook through, you cannot do? It129401:21:49,920 --> 01:21:54,120does nothing. It does absolutelynothing other than give parents129501:21:54,270 --> 01:21:56,460a feeling of oh, I can look atthese things and see if it's129601:21:56,460 --> 01:22:01,080appropriate. That's all. Andmost good kids content will129701:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,550never be open and free. It'll bebehind a paywall anyway. So I'd129801:22:05,550 --> 01:22:07,620much rather focus on adulttopics.129901:22:08,250 --> 01:22:10,530Dave Jones: One? Well, I mean,James James is saying that the130001:22:10,530 --> 01:22:13,620only reason this exists wouldexist was for you to well, I'm130101:22:14,310 --> 01:22:18,000well, I mean, maybe but there isthere is you. There are US laws130201:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,060that you know about, was itCOPPA and all that kind of130301:22:21,060 --> 01:22:24,120stuff. I mean, there's there's alegal reason to do it. It goes130401:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,030beyond YouTube. I understand. Iunderstand your point. But I130501:22:27,030 --> 01:22:30,780mean, it is. I mean, it's worthit's worth doing. Well, that may130601:22:30,780 --> 01:22:34,080be what Tom's for asking for it.But that's not it doesn't mean130701:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,880that it's pointless, or it'sonly for YouTube.130801:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,850Adam Curry: All right. Allright. Now, I'm now leaving the130901:22:38,850 --> 01:22:41,610chat because this chat is nowused exactly what happens with131001:22:41,610 --> 01:22:45,030chats and comments and get hubs,it turns me into an irritated131101:22:45,030 --> 01:22:45,420man.131201:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,500Dave Jones: You've dropped the Fbomb twice. You are here. I'm131301:22:49,500 --> 01:22:49,920very131401:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,540Adam Curry: irritated by allthis talk.131501:22:51,660 --> 01:22:53,490Dave Jones: I want to build youup at once.131601:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,620Adam Curry: I want morebuilding. I want to work with131701:22:55,650 --> 01:22:59,970app developers. I want Martin toMartin Where's pod friend to131801:22:59,970 --> 01:23:03,930man, I want to have my accounton pod fans. I can't retrieve my131901:23:03,930 --> 01:23:07,590account. I want to get going Ihave stuff to do. I want to I132001:23:07,590 --> 01:23:11,880want to make cool shows. I wantto play music. I'm the academia132101:23:11,880 --> 01:23:16,800is killing me. It's killing me.It's killing me.132201:23:17,519 --> 01:23:20,639Dave Jones: I don't want you todie. I mean, let's like, risky,132301:23:20,639 --> 01:23:21,419this or something?132401:23:21,660 --> 01:23:24,180Adam Curry: No, no, no. But Imean, we just talked for 15132501:23:24,180 --> 01:23:28,860minutes about made for kids. Andand I and I don't I don't care.132601:23:28,890 --> 01:23:34,020I mean, I think it's I don't Icare, I care that you want it132701:23:34,050 --> 01:23:36,780and that you think it's a goodthing to do. And I think okay,132801:23:36,780 --> 01:23:41,490great. I don't make content forkids. And if I had kids, I132901:23:41,490 --> 01:23:44,670wouldn't trust them and made forkids thing anyway. And it's just133001:23:44,730 --> 01:23:49,350I think there's this is the sameproblem that was going on for 10133101:23:49,350 --> 01:23:53,790years without developers. Andnow we're just now just bullying133201:23:53,790 --> 01:23:58,890developers into these long drawnout conversations about what133301:23:58,890 --> 01:24:01,980they should do and what whatwhat is important for them to133401:24:01,980 --> 01:24:02,400do.133501:24:02,970 --> 01:24:05,190Dave Jones: Look, everybody getspissed at me when I close an133601:24:05,190 --> 01:24:08,940issue on the on the on thenamespace. I'm gonna close this133701:24:08,940 --> 01:24:11,610issue and I just want everybodyto understand why when I do it,133801:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,880don't Why didn't you just saythat? Because I don't want to133901:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,100get nasty emails. I'm tired ofit. Yeah,134001:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,430Adam Curry: that just is justhow it goes. But, but now I see.134101:24:20,460 --> 01:24:24,510i It's, it's frustrating attimes. He says all this back and134201:24:24,510 --> 01:24:28,590forth. You know, hey, pod roll,great idea. Boom, put it in,134301:24:28,650 --> 01:24:31,680someone implements it great. Iprobably I'll probably use it.134401:24:32,250 --> 01:24:35,100You know, this, this is wherewe're going wrong. And a lot of134501:24:35,100 --> 01:24:38,340people are guilty of this roundand round and round. And he I134601:24:38,340 --> 01:24:42,660think and I think and I thinkand I think you know, it's just134701:24:42,660 --> 01:24:45,540like let's just get somethinggoing let's get something done.134801:24:46,470 --> 01:24:49,590The lid tag was the best thingwe ever did very complicated and134901:24:49,590 --> 01:24:53,460boom, it's just working. And youknow, what, if if crosstab135001:24:53,460 --> 01:24:57,480comments if, if the app devsdon't don't feel like it is too135101:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,450complicated. I'm fine with thattoo. And not going to get To me,135201:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,500yes, nothing is not the end ofthe world. You know, I'm okay135301:25:04,500 --> 01:25:08,280with that I do a podcast, I'dlove to, I'd love to do more135401:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,060podcasting, or podcaster noone's asked me what I want. But135501:25:12,060 --> 01:25:14,670I'm gonna tell you, I want to domusic and I want to artists to135601:25:14,670 --> 01:25:18,150be compensated. And I think wecan kickstart a huge revolution135701:25:18,330 --> 01:25:21,180by bringing music radio topodcasting the way it's never135801:25:21,180 --> 01:25:24,930been done before. Because unlikea radio in the United States, at135901:25:24,930 --> 01:25:27,510least, when your record isplayed on the radio, you don't136001:25:27,510 --> 01:25:31,710get paid for it. No one getspaid for it. And I want that I136101:25:31,710 --> 01:25:34,560want everyone including thedrummer to get paid when I play136201:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,700it on my podcast. That's what Iwant. I think people can get136301:25:38,700 --> 01:25:39,330behind that.136401:25:40,230 --> 01:25:43,290Dave Jones: Which is alwayssurprising to me that136501:25:44,310 --> 01:25:47,310Adam Curry: and I always pointout, I bring the SATs to your136601:25:47,310 --> 01:25:52,560door developers, I bring theSatoshis everyone could get up136701:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,860and do a podcast I get up do apodcast and bring you SATs.136801:25:57,750 --> 01:26:00,750Dave Jones: So how do we how dowe make it? How do we make this136901:26:00,750 --> 01:26:06,270happen? Why do we need we madefor kids? No, no, no, no, no,137001:26:06,270 --> 01:26:08,460I'm done with that. I'm about togo close that.137101:26:09,390 --> 01:26:15,210Adam Curry: Close it now. Closeit live on the air. I love you.137201:26:16,260 --> 01:26:19,980We think so like except, exceptyou're so kind when you say it.137301:26:19,980 --> 01:26:22,350I don't know. How do you do it?There's something about you.137401:26:24,330 --> 01:26:28,740Dave Jones: This? No, I mean,like, the chapters, like I mean,137501:26:28,740 --> 01:26:34,170like we just need Okay, so weneed we need the we need to get137601:26:34,170 --> 01:26:36,900remote with the mirlo value. Weneed the value block and the137701:26:36,900 --> 01:26:42,030chapters. And we need we needreply back, which would be137801:26:42,030 --> 01:26:43,050pretty spiffy.137901:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,050Adam Curry: Do we need that? Orare you just let's do it while138001:26:46,050 --> 01:26:48,600we're doing this anyway. Yeah,let's do it while we're doing it138101:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,140anyway. GLV isn't doesn't meanwe don't need anything any reply138201:26:52,140 --> 01:26:55,410back for doing this at thispoint. But your your Well, hold138301:26:55,410 --> 01:26:59,400on. I liked this actually. Sothen the artist can see who sent138401:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,080the booster gram and can replyback.138501:27:02,190 --> 01:27:04,170Dave Jones: Yeah, so here's whathere's what I want. I wrote138601:27:04,170 --> 01:27:09,840these things down. This is whatI want in the in the TLV. I want138701:27:11,460 --> 01:27:17,760this is my wish list. I want toI want to return a dress, which138801:27:17,790 --> 01:27:20,640this is it's got to be a J It'sgotta be a JSON blog. So it's138901:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,250got to be here because it's gotto have all the stuff, it's got139001:27:23,250 --> 01:27:29,640to have the node address, it'sgot to have the custom custom139101:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,180key custom value, it's got tohave that stuff in order to139201:27:33,180 --> 01:27:38,700support things properly. We gotI want that I want an identity139301:27:38,700 --> 01:27:44,910key, like a nostre key that cango into the TLV like a public139401:27:44,910 --> 01:27:50,130key so that you can again bychoice. I like that, because we139501:27:50,130 --> 01:27:54,240were talking the other day aboutpotentially like Alex had a good139601:27:54,240 --> 01:28:00,330idea about putting a nostrilidentity into XMPP and other but139701:28:00,330 --> 01:28:03,720basically layering these nostraidentities onto other protocols,139801:28:04,170 --> 01:28:09,510so that they're so that they'reportable. So if if we, if we can139901:28:09,510 --> 01:28:15,660do that, we could take it wecould have a key pair option in140001:28:15,660 --> 01:28:19,560the TLV and optional entry whereif you wanted to attach an140101:28:19,560 --> 01:28:24,960identity to it, you could and Ialso want you to JSON payment140201:28:24,960 --> 01:28:31,950tokens, Alex's proposal forproof of payment that I want I140301:28:31,950 --> 01:28:35,670want those three things in theto V and I'm going to bet now140401:28:35,670 --> 01:28:40,560that Alwyn from contracts nowthat he has put he's brought140501:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,620blipped in over into thenamespace. We can more it'll be140601:28:46,620 --> 01:28:53,460much easier to control the TLVon on our own repo instance we140701:28:53,490 --> 01:28:56,130you know, rather than having towait for merging right from140801:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,400Adam Curry: from can we can dowhatever we want, right? We can140901:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,080just put it we want okay. Allright. So that's what you want.141001:29:04,110 --> 01:29:06,720We know what I want. Thatmeeting adjourned. Great meeting141101:29:06,720 --> 01:29:07,650everybody. Thanks for being141201:29:09,330 --> 01:29:10,920Dave Jones: with us. Thisqualifies minutes.141301:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,400Adam Curry: The first thing Ihave to do is I have to get a141401:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,760Steven b a motherboard. And shesaid he said no development141501:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,860happens. I get my motherboard.Oh man.141601:29:20,730 --> 01:29:23,790Dave Jones: Steven, tell me tellme what you want.141701:29:24,090 --> 01:29:25,740Adam Curry: We'll get yourmotherboard man. We'll buy you a141801:29:25,740 --> 01:29:26,370motherboard.141901:29:26,820 --> 01:29:27,690Dave Jones: I'll buy you alaptop.142001:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,160Adam Curry: Laptop. I'm in Davewe're pitching together.142101:29:32,820 --> 01:29:34,140Dave Jones: I mean if it as longas it doesn't have to be142201:29:34,140 --> 01:29:37,530anything super brand new I meanget a laptop for you know 50142301:29:37,530 --> 01:29:37,950bucks142401:29:40,140 --> 01:29:43,830Adam Curry: Wow, you're man,you're just the man aren't you142501:29:43,830 --> 01:29:48,450today give away 50 podcasting2.0 Giveaway $50 laptops,142601:29:49,290 --> 01:29:52,320Dave Jones: like like a like aLenovo like a five year old142701:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,080Lenovo T 15 which is still agreat machine. You can find142801:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,350those on eBay for like painty 75bucks my go142901:29:58,350 --> 01:30:04,530Adam Curry: to is the surface Goversion three with running mint143001:30:05,159 --> 01:30:06,839Dave Jones: that's why I'msaying these I mean these older143101:30:06,839 --> 01:30:09,209lads well super run great143201:30:10,230 --> 01:30:12,870Adam Curry: Dred Scott as he hasa he said, I wonder if we could143301:30:12,870 --> 01:30:16,110use chapter values for NA imageart when using art from the Art143401:30:16,110 --> 01:30:18,360Generator? I'm not quite I thinkI know what I'm what he's saying143501:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,710but just so you know, wheneverwe use an artist that will use143601:30:22,710 --> 01:30:27,090album art from the Art Generatorfor no agenda if that artist has143701:30:27,090 --> 01:30:31,470a get Alby address or anylightning address in their, in143801:30:31,470 --> 01:30:36,300their profile I use it give him5%. And you know, you notice143901:30:36,300 --> 01:30:40,650that the artists don't talkabout that much. Because they144001:30:40,650 --> 01:30:44,400know is like, Wow, if I get inthe blog, I mean, the no agenda144101:30:44,400 --> 01:30:52,380blog, get some action. Get someaction, lots of action. Lots of144201:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,520action happening there. Itdoesn't even go to no agenda. It144301:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,300goes to everybody else, which iswhy I love it so much. I'm144401:31:00,300 --> 01:31:03,180excited about this. And I reallyhave already been thinking about144501:31:03,180 --> 01:31:08,100a name. You know, there's tonsof content, there's tons of144601:31:08,100 --> 01:31:12,990music, there's tons of artists.And you know, I'm very excited.144701:31:12,990 --> 01:31:18,240I'm so excited about leading theway and let's let's have 1000144801:31:18,240 --> 01:31:23,880music shows. This is what we'remissing. Do you have your at the144901:31:25,020 --> 01:31:28,200artists are at the mercy of thealgo145001:31:28,770 --> 01:31:33,180Dave Jones: boost? So are youwaiting to start this show until145101:31:33,180 --> 01:31:34,740you get these chapter values?145201:31:35,070 --> 01:31:37,170Adam Curry: Yeah, that's that'sall I need. The minute I have145301:31:37,170 --> 01:31:40,650that I'm off to the races. Theminute I have that and the end145401:31:40,650 --> 01:31:43,740as I said, there's a lot ofartists who bought back their145501:31:43,740 --> 01:31:46,740royal their their rights, theyhave the rights and they're145601:31:46,740 --> 01:31:51,840happy to they're happy to do theexperiment. I'm not sure what145701:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,750difference does it make notmaking money off it any other145801:31:54,750 --> 01:31:58,890way? So yes, I'm waiting forthat and the minute that's145901:31:58,890 --> 01:32:00,990there, then then we're good togo.146001:32:03,450 --> 01:32:09,030Dave Jones: Shred it in. So I'mgoing to a comic cons route146101:32:09,030 --> 01:32:12,720after the show. What up andhunts have in Huntsville, you146201:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,630actually go into a Comic Con.Yeah, it's up in Huntsville,146301:32:15,630 --> 01:32:18,810Alabama. I'm like a huge, makeno apologies. I'm a huge Star146401:32:18,810 --> 01:32:21,870Trek nerd. And I want to go getmy picture made with William146501:32:21,870 --> 01:32:22,320Shatner.146601:32:22,950 --> 01:32:25,020Adam Curry: Oh, he's gonna bethere. Yeah,146701:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,900Dave Jones: it's like 1000 yearsold. Wow, I146801:32:27,900 --> 01:32:32,850Adam Curry: didn't Yeah, that'sinteresting. Dave for all all146901:32:32,850 --> 01:32:35,370the years I've known you I didnot know any of this.147001:32:35,610 --> 01:32:40,440Dave Jones: You didn't know as aStar Trek nerd. No. It's I keep147101:32:40,440 --> 01:32:42,930it to myself, but you know, it'sno secret147201:32:45,060 --> 01:32:47,610Unknown: you certainly have yoursensory definitely a space147301:32:47,610 --> 01:32:52,140vessel of some type. Originunknown could hardly be an147401:32:52,140 --> 01:32:53,700Earthship there have been noflights into147501:32:53,700 --> 01:32:56,160Adam Curry: this sector foryears now named the episode147601:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,520Dave Jones: that no there'sthere's no way there's no147701:33:05,670 --> 01:33:07,800Unknown: Chinese this weeklaunched something called a147801:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,810quantum communication satellite147901:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,090Adam Curry: something differentI'm just going through my all my148001:33:12,090 --> 01:33:16,050clips. He lives for Star Trekstuff. I've all kinds of stuff148101:33:16,140 --> 01:33:19,440Dave Jones: we can dive into butI had to write it down run race148201:33:19,530 --> 01:33:24,270right what down the chapterlevel value blog so well. Okay.148301:33:24,900 --> 01:33:25,350Adam Curry: Yeah.148401:33:27,030 --> 01:33:30,030Dave Jones: What is there a bedof space music going on here?148501:33:30,030 --> 01:33:33,510Adam Curry: This is Star Trek.This is the Cincinnati pops our148601:33:33,570 --> 01:33:36,810orchestra. This playing onbattle theme.148701:33:38,130 --> 01:33:39,450Dave Jones: That is the Klingonsbattle. Yes.148801:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,670Adam Curry: As you recognize itimmediately. Battle Royale Yes.148901:33:44,700 --> 01:33:47,130Put your glasses up on your noseHello nerd149001:33:51,390 --> 01:33:55,050Dave Jones: a you call nerd nowbut in a couple of hours. I'll149101:33:55,050 --> 01:33:56,460have a picture with WilliamShatner. And you149201:33:56,850 --> 01:33:59,430Adam Curry: can I just say someI love you Dave Jones all149301:33:59,430 --> 01:34:02,160aspects of you all facets.There's nothing wrong with you149401:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,600my brother. So we thank you forpeople here so so we can just149501:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,950take a breath. We shall and boydo we have some people to thank149601:34:11,310 --> 01:34:17,340we got some nice booster grams55,555 What's the five five by149701:34:17,340 --> 01:34:21,390five? I guess five by fiveboost? Oh, nice from HR and he149801:34:21,390 --> 01:34:27,660says for all the drummers outthere. Yeah. Drummer gets paid149901:34:27,690 --> 01:34:29,280Yes. drummers. Oh,150001:34:29,340 --> 01:34:32,250Dave Jones: by the way that I'vegot I've got to throw this in150101:34:32,250 --> 01:34:40,350here. So there's a guy here intown that teaches guitar lessons150201:34:40,470 --> 01:34:45,330and drum lessons and he's just agreat great dude. He runs a a150301:34:45,330 --> 01:34:50,640nonprofit thing for inner citycase was right down the street150401:34:50,640 --> 01:34:56,040from us to teach kids how toplay music, and lots of great150501:34:56,310 --> 01:35:00,120volunteer work and everything.But he's just a cool dude. And150601:35:00,120 --> 01:35:05,040so he he played and toured withbands for many years. And so I'm150701:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,440Oh, he invited us over me andMelissa overdose house to eat150801:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,770dinner and wherever they'reeating, and he said, because we150901:35:10,770 --> 01:35:14,670donate to their to their thingand he was like, he's like,151001:35:15,450 --> 01:35:18,030saying something about it aboutcountry music. I said, Well,151101:35:18,030 --> 01:35:21,210I've got I've got to admit toyou that my, my secret shame is151201:35:21,210 --> 01:35:25,260that I'm a huge Janata Twainfan. And he was like, he was151301:35:25,260 --> 01:35:31,200like, Dude, we had he said,we're doing a concert in October151401:35:31,200 --> 01:35:35,820where we're doing nothing butshould not wine covers. And he151501:35:35,820 --> 01:35:38,610was like, he was like, you playdrums? writessay Yeah, he's151601:35:38,610 --> 01:35:43,290like, our drummer is super flakyand in in tends to bail out151701:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,750you're gonna bail us out. Canyou please play drums for our151801:35:45,750 --> 01:35:51,240hotline concert? So there's achance that we'll be playing151901:35:51,750 --> 01:35:52,500twinset152001:35:52,530 --> 01:35:55,290Adam Curry: dude and October youwhat you need is you need that152101:35:55,290 --> 01:35:59,790Tommy Lee cage flips over youneed to wear the little Speedo.152201:36:00,690 --> 01:36:02,760Dave Jones: spins around goesupside down. Yeah, one152301:36:03,690 --> 01:36:06,030Adam Curry: little Speedounderwear. Yeah, man. You could152401:36:06,030 --> 01:36:09,030be telling me you got a gifttattoo. You have no tattoos?152501:36:09,060 --> 01:36:10,500Dave Jones: No, no, no, don't dothat.152601:36:10,559 --> 01:36:15,329Adam Curry: We should get a taptogether. Like the heart. Yeah.152701:36:17,549 --> 01:36:22,919We got 77,777 from Mike Newman.He says a striper boost for152801:36:22,919 --> 01:36:29,429mercy. He says love Bart and theboys. I love him too. Man. Those152901:36:29,429 --> 01:36:33,779are those are really nice. Guy'ssuper nice guys. Great show two.153001:36:34,049 --> 01:36:38,819Good music. Curtis Peterson50,000 SATs we eat this week153101:36:38,819 --> 01:36:42,449Dave. Thanks for Thanks for thegreat discussion and all your153201:36:42,449 --> 01:36:47,459work as a consumer of pods. Isthere a way to aid podcasters in153301:36:47,459 --> 01:36:53,609keeping channels open and ensureinbound capacity? Well,153401:36:53,610 --> 01:36:54,630Dave Jones: we do that's one ofour jobs.153501:36:54,660 --> 01:36:56,370Adam Curry: That's what we do. Imean, you know, we're still153601:36:56,370 --> 01:37:02,250suffering from from the ZappaPalooza where people I got a153701:37:02,250 --> 01:37:06,060message the other day, you you,you first close my eyes and my153801:37:06,060 --> 01:37:09,630channel. No, we didn't forceclosing on purpose. In fact,153901:37:09,630 --> 01:37:12,060I've never force closedeverything, anything on purpose.154001:37:12,390 --> 01:37:15,420That's just the nature of whathappens sometimes. So hit us up154101:37:15,420 --> 01:37:18,270where happened to we're happy toif it closes, let us know. We'll154201:37:18,270 --> 01:37:24,150open it again. That's what wedo. Have had 1111 Sir Spencer154301:37:24,210 --> 01:37:30,12033,333 It says music splits is alife changer. I love the idea of154401:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,300some dynamic value tag thatlistens to what's now playing154501:37:33,300 --> 01:37:36,810for a live stream that playsmusic, which even be made with154601:37:36,810 --> 01:37:40,440the split kit is a piece of thepuzzle just looks just something154701:37:40,440 --> 01:37:42,930that looks at a dynamic valueblock that is changing154801:37:42,930 --> 01:37:45,840throughout a live item. I lovethe chapter level value block154901:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,950idea. Well I think we've kind offigured out we're gonna do and155001:37:49,950 --> 01:37:53,340it's live streams are great.And, and I intend to do some155101:37:53,340 --> 01:37:56,640shows lit but I'm gonna have todo some production because we155201:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,900have to, we can't release apodcast before with music and it155301:38:00,900 --> 01:38:03,450before all the chapter valueblocks are in. So we're gonna155401:38:03,480 --> 01:38:06,450want to take this one. I'm gonnado some little extra work on155501:38:06,450 --> 01:38:10,320this, not just ram it out liveand get it done. But it's gonna155601:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,220be for the ages and I'm veryexcited. There's our Sam Sethi,155701:38:14,220 --> 01:38:16,530which we read Thank you verymuch Sam Brian of London.155801:38:16,740 --> 01:38:26,1607100 71,948 So a super IsraelIsrael boost. 1948 being the155901:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,220date there. Of course hive hasdecentralized identity and156001:38:29,220 --> 01:38:33,180comments smiley face withlaughing tears. And here's my156101:38:33,180 --> 01:38:36,960boost is about two times what Ipay for chat. GPT which I've got156201:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,370to say has become very useful tome learning view and JavaScript.156301:38:42,030 --> 01:38:48,720Well, good. I'm glad chat GPTthat I love what's happening156401:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,460with chat GPT it's too funny.156501:38:51,330 --> 01:38:54,240Dave Jones: Never, never nevergonna know not a champion.156601:38:54,600 --> 01:38:55,200That's not156701:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,420Adam Curry: interested. It didwrite a cool shell script for156801:38:57,420 --> 01:39:02,520me. That was interesting. StevenB 1111. Oh, yeah, yeah, why was156901:39:02,520 --> 01:39:06,360a very base if I could have goneto Stack Overflow,157001:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,470Dave Jones: and got RM dash RMdash RF slash. There's your157101:39:10,500 --> 01:39:11,040There you go.157201:39:13,290 --> 01:39:16,530Adam Curry: Martin Linda's coke.1776 More power to Martin apod157301:39:16,530 --> 01:39:21,480friend best premises. Martin Leedoes coke. Absurd observations?157401:39:21,510 --> 01:39:23,280Oh, hold on him sir. Observation157501:39:24,330 --> 01:39:29,280Unknown: Sakala 20 his bladeonly Impala. 100,000157601:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,570Adam Curry: Satoshis. How doesone whoa not know the intro to157701:39:33,570 --> 01:39:40,110Baker Street? That's from ourpre pre show. Running with157801:39:40,110 --> 01:39:43,740Scissors emojis, love these litconversations and agree with DJ157901:39:43,740 --> 01:39:53,160about nostril. Go podcast. Allright. Circus media 12345158001:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,230Elementary booths. Good work.Gentlemen. Thank you for your158101:39:55,230 --> 01:39:58,830courage. Thank you very muchcircus media. Pete's bawling.158201:39:59,640 --> 01:40:05,430That's it Ah guy 11,111 Nicesatchel Richards my first live158301:40:05,430 --> 01:40:09,330boost Welcome to the club ma'am.We got the mike Newman one on158401:40:09,330 --> 01:40:12,090one on one. Oh, thank you. Wegot the Dred Scott Satoshi slam.158501:40:12,270 --> 01:40:16,470Eric p p 33,333. We got theanonymous boosting for the boost158601:40:16,470 --> 01:40:21,000thank you with you one to one toone to 8000 SATs from our Davis158701:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,61087 and boosting for Dave Jonesin concert158801:40:25,470 --> 01:40:27,600Dave Jones: man a woman158901:40:30,780 --> 01:40:38,730Adam Curry: go podcasting andsome service goat karma I159001:40:38,730 --> 01:40:43,350thought was the goat no karmabut a goat goat. Let's see then.159101:40:43,350 --> 01:40:48,000This is all from the pre show.Tone record. 1111 Murata wrote159201:40:48,000 --> 01:40:52,440Donna Summers hit I feel love.Yes, indeed he did. 2222 from159301:40:52,440 --> 01:40:55,050tone record Friday is live dayway to kick off the afternoon159401:40:55,050 --> 01:40:58,110neverending story written byGiorgio Moroder for limahl and159501:40:58,110 --> 01:41:00,630we were doing a lot of illegalstuff earlier, weren't we?159601:41:02,070 --> 01:41:06,540Anonymous testing the boothsterrific boosts chat F 3333. Got159701:41:06,540 --> 01:41:14,400my pod burst notification allsystems go. And, yes, lyceum. I159801:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,610got a needed positive push fromone of my co hosts on one of my159901:41:17,610 --> 01:41:22,110podcasts. Martin colong. Talk toour incoming guests about the160001:41:22,110 --> 01:41:26,130value of new podcast apps andfeatures like clips making from160101:41:26,130 --> 01:41:29,310an episode if you're a guest.You are known from internet160201:41:29,310 --> 01:41:31,830radio and Here's an excerpt ateaser from the conversation160301:41:31,830 --> 01:41:35,190I've no idea what I'm reading,thanks to fountain fountain pod160401:41:35,190 --> 01:41:38,190verse at all for making itpossible. And now with POD fans160501:41:38,190 --> 01:41:41,160going from Alpha stage toRunning with Scissors, scissors160601:41:41,160 --> 01:41:46,710emoji upside down smiley emojifrom Martin Linda's code. And160701:41:46,710 --> 01:41:53,760let's see, then I believethere's one more here. Dobby das160801:41:54,210 --> 01:41:55,050Dobie das160901:41:55,410 --> 01:41:57,660Dave Jones: na ws Rs This blue161001:41:57,690 --> 01:42:03,660Adam Curry: 29675 messageencrypted in the SAT amount to161101:42:03,660 --> 01:42:08,13096752967161201:42:08,490 --> 01:42:11,250Dave Jones: What would the wouldthe code be?161301:42:11,280 --> 01:42:18,960Adam Curry: I don't know whatthe code 29675 Upside Down PSL G161401:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,980known as not upside. work if youstumped you stumped the band.161501:42:25,620 --> 01:42:26,820Dave Jones: Basic 64.161601:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,030Adam Curry: No idea. No ideawhat you're talking about. Hey.161701:42:31,440 --> 01:42:35,130No, no, that's a delimiterdelimiter delimiter. Okay. Go161801:42:35,130 --> 01:42:36,120over to you, Bob.161901:42:36,389 --> 01:42:38,069Dave Jones: Eating at me up.Okay.162001:42:38,099 --> 01:42:38,999Adam Curry: You're good to go.162101:42:39,389 --> 01:42:44,519Dave Jones: We got we gotexactly one Pay Pal this week.162201:42:44,549 --> 01:42:47,219And that was from Marco $500.Oh, we'll162301:42:47,220 --> 01:42:48,690Adam Curry: take that. Thank youvery much. Mark.162401:42:49,679 --> 01:42:53,459Unknown: Sakala 20 is played onhim, Paula.162501:42:54,150 --> 01:42:56,370Adam Curry: I love how we don'thave to tell him anything. Don't162601:42:56,370 --> 01:42:58,350we don't tell him what to do.And he supports us.162701:42:58,830 --> 01:43:01,020Dave Jones: That's what he said.I don't want to be told what to162801:43:01,020 --> 01:43:03,360do. So and we don't162901:43:03,450 --> 01:43:05,940Adam Curry: we don't? We don't.It's a very simple163001:43:05,940 --> 01:43:06,570Dave Jones: relationship.163101:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,180Adam Curry: Yes. It's one of thebest ones we have. And we163201:43:09,180 --> 01:43:13,020appreciate it so much. We reallythank you, Marco go overcast.163301:43:13,590 --> 01:43:17,220Dave Jones: I'll read the I'llread the monthlies first because163401:43:17,220 --> 01:43:19,620we only get we've got four ofthose and then we'll read the163501:43:19,620 --> 01:43:22,320booths. All right, we gotmonthlies where Michael Gagan $5163601:43:22,320 --> 01:43:29,610Charles current $5 Trevor zener$5 and Paul airscale $11.14163701:43:29,610 --> 01:43:30,120Thank you. We163801:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,520Adam Curry: got six serversrunning for that we appreciate163901:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,960that. So that's those are themonthlies. I think a lot of164001:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,860people gave up too. I mean, Ireally feel that this tax season164101:43:40,890 --> 01:43:41,700hurt us.164201:43:43,770 --> 01:43:44,730Dave Jones: It hurt me.164301:43:45,750 --> 01:43:50,610Adam Curry: For sure. I'll tellyou it hurt me too. Yeah, I'm so164401:43:50,610 --> 01:43:54,600mad because I could have givenmoney more money away turns out164501:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,910you can give you can give awaymore than you used to this year164601:43:56,940 --> 01:44:01,020for some reason. Oh, really?Yeah. I thought it was 10 grand.164701:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,220And but now you can give awaymore. I'm like, and I could have164801:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,310traveled more because I canwrite that off. Now instead of164901:44:08,310 --> 01:44:10,710sending it to Ukraine. It's like165001:44:11,820 --> 01:44:19,740Dave Jones: a 111 hamara at atime yeah. See, so we got some165101:44:19,740 --> 01:44:22,890booths we got anonymous centralRichards go podcasting thinking165201:44:22,890 --> 01:44:26,580on this thank you get thetrickler since 1234 That would165301:44:26,580 --> 01:44:30,420be the Swedish trickling throughfountain he says go podcasting.165401:44:30,450 --> 01:44:31,500Adam Curry: Yes won't give themone165501:44:34,620 --> 01:44:39,990Dave Jones: we'll see totalrecur sent 9999 through fountain165601:44:39,990 --> 01:44:42,450he says worlds colliding anepisode with quality people165701:44:42,450 --> 01:44:45,390building things, exploring ideasand even multiple chat rooms165801:44:45,390 --> 01:44:48,330running in the curry countdownteaser idea tossed out at the165901:44:48,330 --> 01:44:49,020end boom.166001:44:50,190 --> 01:44:53,370Adam Curry: Yes. Well, and we'retaking we're taking it beyond166101:44:53,370 --> 01:44:56,880the countdown. The countdown wasjust one you know. There was166201:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,900some valid feedback about thecountdown and The, you know,166301:45:00,900 --> 01:45:04,500this is always the problem withcountdowns with charts, which is166401:45:04,500 --> 01:45:08,670why don't like him? Obviously,we can't just do it on amount of166501:45:08,670 --> 01:45:11,160SATs received because thenanyone could boost themselves166601:45:11,160 --> 01:45:16,260into the into the top, top 10.Right, Joe, you know, we have to166701:45:16,260 --> 01:45:17,280avoid that.166801:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,390Dave Jones: It's I mean, theywould essentially do what Taylor166901:45:21,390 --> 01:45:22,620Swift does. Yeah.167001:45:23,820 --> 01:45:27,120Adam Curry: So we want to avoidthat. So that's why I'm so167101:45:27,150 --> 01:45:30,810excited about just starting,just starting a show with167201:45:30,810 --> 01:45:34,650artists who are valued forvalue. Everybody gets paid, by167301:45:34,650 --> 01:45:39,180the way, so does your app, yourapp your app gets everybody gets167401:45:39,180 --> 01:45:44,010a piece. You know, I gotta sayone more thing. So someone on on167501:45:44,010 --> 01:45:49,920nostril mostly, if I'm loaded uphere, created something called167601:45:49,920 --> 01:45:55,650zap worthy. And immediately wentto no agenda on an episode and167701:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,950shows that Oh, no, I can zapyour show. I'm like, please167801:45:58,950 --> 01:46:03,000don't do this. You're cuttingout everybody who's in the value167901:46:03,000 --> 01:46:07,170block split. Right? Now it'slike ah,168001:46:08,220 --> 01:46:12,570Dave Jones: this this is aproblem. I don't understand.168101:46:12,570 --> 01:46:17,640Yeah, I don't there's no andthis is a frustrating thing168201:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,950about about the nostredevelopment community that168301:46:19,950 --> 01:46:23,520they're not they're not seeingthey're not seeing all these168401:46:23,520 --> 01:46:28,470things and they're not cuttingeverything this okay, I'm not168501:46:28,470 --> 01:46:33,060I'm not gonna I'm not gonna goJihad them. I'm gonna get back168601:46:33,060 --> 01:46:36,000to booster grand. Okay, becauseI'm going to end up spending 15168701:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,070Min. I everybody will leave.168801:46:39,210 --> 01:46:44,850Adam Curry: What who's watching?Is anybody still here? Pauling,168901:46:45,000 --> 01:46:45,750Dave Jones: P.169001:46:46,320 --> 01:46:47,160Adam Curry: Pauling.169101:46:47,580 --> 01:46:48,570Dave Jones: Do you know PetePauling?169201:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,060Adam Curry: Well, it's a Dutchname and Pete would be Pete and169301:46:51,060 --> 01:46:56,760Pauling is eel is piling is avery Dutch like eating their169401:46:56,790 --> 01:47:01,050eel. Yielding eel pilings, wesay hey, like a bottling kit?169501:47:01,380 --> 01:47:01,920Yeah.169601:47:02,550 --> 01:47:04,680Dave Jones: Good. So you mustknow him right? Of course.169701:47:05,160 --> 01:47:06,780Adam Curry: Of course. I'dprobably I probably slept with169801:47:06,780 --> 01:47:07,740them. It's169901:47:08,910 --> 01:47:12,030Dave Jones: it's like, it's likethat old the old some old170001:47:12,030 --> 01:47:17,460episode of The Roseanne Barrshow it was Roseanne Episode170101:47:17,460 --> 01:47:20,670Episode of Roseanne, where itwas like one of their like, her170201:47:20,670 --> 01:47:24,750balls or something was was gay.And he's like, Yeah, I'm he's170301:47:24,750 --> 01:47:27,930like at Poker Night. And he'slike, yeah, he's a young guy.170401:47:28,380 --> 01:47:33,360And nobody knew it get a priceget super uncomfortable. All170501:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,110these you know, dudes, andthey're like, Oh, I know a guy170601:47:37,110 --> 01:47:43,290who's gay. He lives in Chicago.You must know. His name's John.170701:47:43,290 --> 01:47:46,260He's Oh, yeah. Yeah, no engageJohn from Chicago. Everybody170801:47:46,260 --> 01:47:47,670knows gauge for Chicago.170901:47:48,690 --> 01:47:50,850Adam Curry: Sir bemrose sayssomething in the in the chat171001:47:50,850 --> 01:47:53,610here says addict perhaps Daviddata could publish more171101:47:53,610 --> 01:47:56,280information about how the indexhelps to provide podcasters with171201:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,150inbound SATs. That's what we dowasn't a very good explanation.171301:48:00,150 --> 01:48:03,510I'd said literally, send us yournode and we'll open a channel. I171401:48:03,510 --> 01:48:07,110don't know what more explanationif someone knows they need an171501:48:07,140 --> 01:48:12,630inbound SATs than they know whatthey're talking about. Yes, that171601:48:12,630 --> 01:48:18,840but okay, maybe it's confusingfor so you can use a custodial171701:48:18,840 --> 01:48:28,650service, like get Alby or evenfountain or any other type of171801:48:29,430 --> 01:48:32,970system out there. Or you can setup your own. And if you set up171901:48:32,970 --> 01:48:36,120your own, we're happy to open achannel to you so that SATs can172001:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,900flow to you. And otherwise we'regetting into explaining how the172101:48:39,900 --> 01:48:42,360Lightning Network works. I don'tthink that's what we want to do.172201:48:43,410 --> 01:48:47,670Dave Jones: Yeah, if if you arehaving trouble maintaining172301:48:47,670 --> 01:48:52,740enough liquidity, ask us for abigger channel and we will give172401:48:52,740 --> 01:48:55,290you a bigger channel. I mean,that's pretty simple, right?172501:48:55,290 --> 01:49:00,990Yeah, yeah. Pizza the pizzadoesn't send a donation on chain172601:49:00,990 --> 01:49:03,210but somehow is not showing up onthe tally coin page.172701:49:03,540 --> 01:49:04,800Unknown: No, hold on a second172801:49:04,830 --> 01:49:09,270Adam Curry: here. Tada is yourtally coin broken tally bomb172901:49:09,270 --> 01:49:09,810banana.173001:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,910Dave Jones: Let me say I hopeit's not broken. That's the173101:49:11,910 --> 01:49:12,600chain baby.173201:49:12,630 --> 01:49:18,240Adam Curry: It's on Shane. Man.We'll see we got I have ninth of173301:49:18,240 --> 01:49:23,460April but that I thought we readthat one. I don't see anything173401:49:23,460 --> 01:49:29,160else on the Yeah, that was the33,330 Sam is super cool. He's173501:49:29,160 --> 01:49:33,000like yeah, that's from that wasfrom chyron. Something must have173601:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,160gone wrong. I don't know whenyou sent it. Something was a173701:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,380chain. You broke he broke itman. It's173801:49:37,380 --> 01:49:40,380Dave Jones: Fleetwood Mac withit. Oh, another one for pay.173901:49:40,380 --> 01:49:45,150Pauling 4321 Ah, see now was notshowing up on telecoil I sent174001:49:45,150 --> 01:49:45,870the wrong amount.174101:49:47,880 --> 01:49:49,230Adam Curry: Okay, thanks. Yeah,I guess174201:49:50,790 --> 01:49:53,670Dave Jones: to solve a problemby doing nothing at all. Chad F174301:49:53,700 --> 01:49:59,9703333. Can't wait for Adams top40 radio show. Same here Comac.174401:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,050Formic 9999 through fountains tocelebrating growth my show174501:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,170America plus has been in the top50 shows on fountain for two174601:50:07,170 --> 01:50:10,770weeks in a row got nice boost inshow's history. Value for value174701:50:10,770 --> 01:50:13,290is real. Yeah,174801:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,470Adam Curry: podcast All rightman. Congratulations. Another174901:50:16,470 --> 01:50:18,840valuable value story successstory.175001:50:19,350 --> 01:50:22,680Dave Jones: Are Davis at sevenwith a boob donation 8008175101:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,770through pod verse he says in themorning after trying to correct175201:50:25,770 --> 01:50:29,310my original boost boosting thisis what I had originally meant.175301:50:29,310 --> 01:50:33,060I'm looking forward to a wavelink wave Lake top 40 Friday175401:50:33,060 --> 01:50:36,090nights at eight at eighto'clock. Industry175501:50:36,120 --> 01:50:40,530Adam Curry: Okay. Eight o'clock.All right. Sure. Yeah, there you175601:50:40,530 --> 01:50:44,100go. I mean, I already have noSunday module given my Friday175701:50:44,100 --> 01:50:47,970night. Yes, sir. You don't needdinner. I don't need a life. No,175801:50:48,000 --> 01:50:53,400Dave Jones: no, no. JDP 10,000says no note. Thank you. JDP175901:50:53,400 --> 01:50:59,730Clark, Ian 25,001 SATs with abeep beep boop boop. Thank lucky176001:50:59,730 --> 01:51:06,090Thank you very much. Renee. nega3521 is the data do their176101:51:06,150 --> 01:51:07,080Adam Curry: job. Very good.176201:51:08,130 --> 01:51:13,170Dave Jones: Get off conifa.Sneaker, can you can you love176301:51:13,170 --> 01:51:15,450the podcast? Let's have a beer.If one of you guys are in176401:51:15,480 --> 01:51:17,190Utrecht, the Netherlands176501:51:17,370 --> 01:51:22,170Adam Curry: if I'm lost Yes.From last nowhere no, no, no,176601:51:22,170 --> 01:51:24,780no, not at all. No, it'sactually pretty cool. Pretty176701:51:24,780 --> 01:51:25,350cool town.176801:51:26,940 --> 01:51:30,870Dave Jones: Mere Mortals podcast2222 aroa Ducks through fountain176901:51:30,870 --> 01:51:33,300nice a super fired up for musicin the value blocks.177001:51:33,330 --> 01:51:36,180Adam Curry: Yeah, we're gettingcheap. What are people excited177101:51:36,180 --> 01:51:39,360about? What are they excitedabout? Yeah. music music of177201:51:39,360 --> 01:51:39,840course.177301:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,900Dave Jones: Sir. Bill 25,000SATs through fountain says love177401:51:42,900 --> 01:51:44,340the music chats keep it up.177501:51:45,870 --> 01:51:48,750Adam Curry: Yep, yep. Yeah, westruck a nerve. We struck a177601:51:48,750 --> 01:51:49,080nerve.177701:51:50,640 --> 01:51:56,370Dave Jones: But Borsen BorsenGlaber 100 sets through fountain177801:51:56,370 --> 01:51:58,800he says Adam and Dave, you haveone of the best intros within177901:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,410podcasting universe just wantedto state that keep on rockin178001:52:01,830 --> 01:52:05,040Adam Curry: Thank you. We paidfor it. We paid for it. Yes, you178101:52:05,040 --> 01:52:05,490paid for it.178201:52:06,870 --> 01:52:11,850Dave Jones: Debellis Zack intoBozak another big donation 808178301:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,510through fountain no note. Thankyou to Bozak absurdity it gave178401:52:15,510 --> 01:52:20,670us 3000 SATs through fountain hesays V for V scissors. Gene178501:52:20,670 --> 01:52:23,880Everett a big row of ducks. 22to 22 through fountain says178601:52:23,880 --> 01:52:28,560boost loves the music end ofthis. I look forward to posting178701:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,750my own music via podcasting. 2.0178801:52:31,380 --> 01:52:35,370Adam Curry: This is going to beso huge, Dave. Yeah. Because178901:52:35,370 --> 01:52:39,420what do we have? We have? Whatis the number one category of179001:52:39,420 --> 01:52:44,700podcast right now? True Crimetrue crime. After that, it's179101:52:44,700 --> 01:52:50,040news. I'd say news ish typetalks off. And then for kids.179201:52:53,130 --> 01:52:57,240Yeah. Well, you get that tag. Itwas gonna be making podcasts for179301:52:57,240 --> 01:53:03,510kids. I think I think music willbe huge, because it's been so179401:53:03,570 --> 01:53:09,000impossible to do. And I knowthat people gravitate even even179501:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,390though I'm, you know, I likeplaying the hits. The hits that179601:53:12,390 --> 01:53:15,450I know. I'm looking forward toplaying New hits and making new179701:53:15,450 --> 01:53:19,110hits. That's the dream of everyradio guy. I broke that record.179801:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,080Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that'sright. Yeah, good. That's179901:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,330Adam Curry: what you want. Ibroke that record, man. Come on,180001:53:24,330 --> 01:53:27,690man. I broke that. And, and weall made money on it. That's the180101:53:27,690 --> 01:53:28,230point.180201:53:28,769 --> 01:53:32,489Dave Jones: That's like, I heardthis Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio180301:53:32,489 --> 01:53:36,719DJ, there was I think it was a Ithink it was a woman that she180401:53:36,719 --> 01:53:40,049was like she to this day tellsthe story of how she was the180501:53:40,049 --> 01:53:45,479first one to play rush song andlike broke them out to the180601:53:45,479 --> 01:53:46,289American market.180701:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,930Adam Curry: And you and therewill be three other DJs across180801:53:48,930 --> 01:53:53,580the country who will claim thesame thing. But in this case,180901:53:53,580 --> 01:53:55,440everyone has receipts, which iskind of cool.181001:53:56,790 --> 01:54:00,300Dave Jones: literacies 22 to 22through fountaining says181101:54:00,300 --> 01:54:03,300boosting for Sam means beenloving his music since the days181201:54:03,450 --> 01:54:07,140of the format sending V for Vhis way on wave Lake. Nice.181301:54:07,590 --> 01:54:11,910Nice. Jean been to 22 to 22.Another big row of dogs to cast181401:54:11,910 --> 01:54:15,540thematic Jean says Wasn't theresome talk a little while back181501:54:15,540 --> 01:54:17,730about cast ematic or someoneworking on presenting a181601:54:17,730 --> 01:54:21,150different interface when thefeed is medium equals music.181701:54:21,450 --> 01:54:24,180That could certainly kickstartsome V for V music playback.181801:54:24,360 --> 01:54:30,120Yeah, I'd suggested that to toFranco and he said that. He said181901:54:30,120 --> 01:54:32,850that that was a great idea. So Idon't know if that means he's182001:54:32,850 --> 01:54:33,060going to182101:54:33,060 --> 01:54:35,250Adam Curry: do it. Say that saythat again. What's the idea?182201:54:35,880 --> 01:54:39,690Dave Jones: So the idea was justspecifically in cast thematic on182301:54:39,690 --> 01:54:44,730this, in this instance, thatFranco would make a change so182401:54:44,730 --> 01:54:48,360that when it detects that a feedis medium of music, oh, he would182501:54:48,360 --> 01:54:51,540reorder it would set the playerup to do the right thing.182601:54:51,570 --> 01:54:54,570Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly whatSpotify tried and reverse and182701:54:54,600 --> 01:54:55,620pretty much failed up.182801:54:56,130 --> 01:54:58,620Dave Jones: Yeah, but the Francowill succeed Of course, as well,182901:54:58,620 --> 01:54:58,800man.183001:54:58,830 --> 01:55:00,540Adam Curry: He's Franco Yeah,183101:55:00,750 --> 01:55:03,600Dave Jones: that's right. ToddCochran 10,000 says Adam and183201:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,810Dave love the show doing an in abeat demo boost.183301:55:07,410 --> 01:55:12,270Adam Curry: Oh, nice. Thank youvery much. A booth boost. Booth183401:55:12,270 --> 01:55:15,510post. Booth booth babe. Nice.183501:55:15,540 --> 01:55:20,100Dave Jones: Yes. He's the boostbaby. Yep, thank you, John. Joe183601:55:20,100 --> 01:55:22,560ws satchel Richards No, no thankyou, Joe.183701:55:22,620 --> 01:55:24,840Adam Curry: I wonder if I wonderif the person who was who was183801:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,540getting the demo went madtowards like a tight ass man.183901:55:27,600 --> 01:55:28,170Tend to184001:55:31,050 --> 01:55:33,570Dave Jones: Todd that 10,000That's a lot and don't worry184101:55:33,570 --> 01:55:39,780about it's only like 50 They'relike, Well, okay, do me 5000184201:55:39,780 --> 01:55:43,350SATs thanks. Through the podcaston this website. This is demoing184301:55:43,350 --> 01:55:45,120V for V payments. We got demosgoing.184401:55:45,600 --> 01:55:47,310Adam Curry: Demos everywhere,baby love it.184501:55:48,900 --> 01:55:52,020Dave Jones: Another one MikeDell 1000 SATs through pod184601:55:52,020 --> 01:55:54,420verse. He says hi guys showingoff V for V.184701:55:55,110 --> 01:55:58,440Adam Curry: Cool. This must havebeen at NAB, I guess.184801:55:58,830 --> 01:56:04,440Dave Jones: Yeah, must be ToddCochran. Again, what have you184901:56:04,440 --> 01:56:07,350got baller boost. You get yourfinger on there. Yeah. Todd185001:56:07,350 --> 01:56:10,770Cochran? 100,420 sets.185101:56:10,800 --> 01:56:12,450Adam Curry: Yeah, we know whatthat's for.185201:56:13,410 --> 01:56:17,220Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze onam Paula.185301:56:17,310 --> 01:56:18,390Adam Curry: Right brother. Thank185401:56:18,390 --> 01:56:22,050Dave Jones: you. Go podcasting.Happy belated for 20 Day boost.185501:56:24,960 --> 01:56:28,830pricy pants citizen sent us 500says thank you, Percy pants,185601:56:29,280 --> 01:56:33,750Borlaug. 42,091 sets of strongwork, gentlemen,185701:56:33,810 --> 01:56:38,250Adam Curry: Chris, thank you.Also for 20 I guess and 91 I185801:56:38,250 --> 01:56:40,440don't know what now I'm justseeing 420s everywhere.185901:56:40,620 --> 01:56:47,130Dave Jones: Thanks, George. Oh,Roy scheinfeld Go back 4321 He186001:56:47,130 --> 01:56:51,150Adam Curry: loves us again.Hello, Roy. Hello Roy Hello186101:56:51,210 --> 01:56:55,590Don't just stand there boostThank you Royce from breathing186201:56:56,070 --> 01:56:56,640from breathe186301:56:56,730 --> 01:56:59,220Dave Jones: 675 messageencrypted in the I have186401:56:59,220 --> 01:57:00,780Adam Curry: no no idea whatthat's about.186501:57:01,380 --> 01:57:03,690Dave Jones: Okay, well, we'vegot the delimiter here though186601:57:03,720 --> 01:57:04,020who186701:57:04,050 --> 01:57:05,850Adam Curry: calmly stripped itis here he is ladies and186801:57:05,850 --> 01:57:08,520gentlemen. Yes 30 3015186901:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,230Dave Jones: through fountain hesays dearest Dave and187001:57:10,230 --> 01:57:15,270accountable Adam. If imitationbe the food of flattery podcast187101:57:15,270 --> 01:57:19,110on should at some time yourcurrent point of view on that187201:57:19,170 --> 01:57:21,630which is called artificialintelligence change from the187301:57:21,630 --> 01:57:24,840distraction of in five inbluster to one of informed187401:57:24,840 --> 01:57:28,830consent do consider AI dotcooking podcast show where187501:57:28,830 --> 01:57:32,850granular Gregory Forman theyprovide handy ciders as to the187601:57:32,850 --> 01:57:37,200navigate the coming FourthIndustrial Complex yo CSB and187701:57:37,200 --> 01:57:39,570goof Alright, so187801:57:40,320 --> 01:57:45,960Adam Curry: Chad GBT AI you knowwhat it is? It's the Segway.187901:57:46,140 --> 01:57:51,360That's what it is. Yeah, GPP isthe new segway.188001:57:51,900 --> 01:57:54,210Dave Jones: Didn't somebody dieon a Segway? Yeah, the188101:57:54,210 --> 01:57:57,930Adam Curry: CEO of the company.fell off a cliff. Yeah, pretty188201:57:57,930 --> 01:58:02,700much. But I just remember all lthat was the same all venture188301:58:02,700 --> 01:58:05,670capitalist. Everyone had one allthe VC were riding around their188401:58:05,670 --> 01:58:09,210offices on the Segway. I had oneI have a castle, I drove the188501:58:09,210 --> 01:58:13,650Segway through the castle, andpeople's cities are going to188601:58:13,650 --> 01:58:17,250change life is going to change.Nothing will be the same. The188701:58:17,250 --> 01:58:22,200Segway is the future. That'swhat Chad GPT is to me.188801:58:24,240 --> 01:58:29,580Dave Jones: Is the Segway theSegway of, of cloud 2.0.188901:58:29,610 --> 01:58:33,090Adam Curry: Yeah. Segway of webthree, or something like that.189001:58:33,090 --> 01:58:36,120Yeah. Good luck, everybody. Goodluck. Good luck finding a189101:58:36,120 --> 01:58:37,680business model Silicon Valley.189201:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,100Dave Jones: Let's regroup.Regroup for this week.189301:58:41,820 --> 01:58:47,040Adam Curry: So good news, badnews. Wednesday, I have my final189401:58:47,370 --> 01:58:52,140oral operation. Okay. This willbe a three hour knock them out189501:58:52,140 --> 01:58:55,830operation so not as bad as thefirst one. It is of course,189601:58:55,830 --> 01:58:59,580entirely possible. Friday may bea no go for me. That all depends189701:58:59,580 --> 01:59:03,300on swelling, etc. Yes, sir.189801:59:03,390 --> 01:59:06,360Dave Jones: Okay. Not to bedealt with. I mean, well, we189901:59:06,360 --> 01:59:12,270don't have a guests. Next week.Okay. I think is is two weeks190001:59:12,270 --> 01:59:13,980from now on May the fifth? Ithink190101:59:13,980 --> 01:59:16,890Adam Curry: it is. Yes. Yeah.Because that'll be the 26th.190201:59:16,890 --> 01:59:18,120Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.190301:59:18,150 --> 01:59:20,730Dave Jones: We got Sam Sethi onMay the 14th. We don't have a190401:59:20,730 --> 01:59:21,450guest next week.190501:59:21,540 --> 01:59:24,180Adam Curry: Oh, Sam Sethi. Comeon. That's right. Oh, that'll be190601:59:24,180 --> 01:59:28,440fun. You can explain to us howpod fans work. Because man, when190701:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,590when he when he sends me anemail is like, a lot of190801:59:31,590 --> 01:59:33,660screenshots. I'm afraid190901:59:33,660 --> 01:59:36,960Dave Jones: to actually like ifI have an idea for a tag. Yeah.191001:59:37,080 --> 01:59:39,870I'm afraid sometimes to say itout loud because you're afraid191101:59:39,870 --> 01:59:41,160he's going to implement rightaway.191201:59:41,610 --> 01:59:43,530Adam Curry: Yeah, he'll do themusic though. I know how to191301:59:43,530 --> 01:59:45,720build the music. He'll there'llbe all over that right away.191401:59:46,470 --> 01:59:50,370Dave Jones: All right. Okay, go.I'm gonna go get my picture made191501:59:50,370 --> 01:59:51,240with William Shatner. I191601:59:51,240 --> 01:59:53,490Adam Curry: am so excited foryou. We are going to post that191701:59:53,490 --> 01:59:55,980post it on the social let usknow that we want to see it.191801:59:56,550 --> 02:00:00,600Well, and tell him I said hey,we'll do you Note William191902:00:00,600 --> 02:00:06,240Shatner, absolutely not, butjust tell him I said, Hey Dave,192002:00:06,240 --> 02:00:08,970have a great weekend, man. Havea good time at the Star Trek192102:00:08,970 --> 02:00:12,930convention chat room. Thank you,along with the nostril bass chat192202:00:12,930 --> 02:00:17,190room. We'll be back. Hopefullyin a week, right here podcast192302:00:17,310 --> 02:00:18,0002.0192402:00:28,170 --> 02:00:32,760Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast192502:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,460index.org For more information