Episode 127: Fortress of Freedom

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,910Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0for March 31 2023, episode 127200:00:06,090 --> 00:00:11,430fortress of freedom Helloeverybody, welcome once again to300:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,660your board meeting of podcasting2.0 We've always got better400:00:15,660 --> 00:00:18,930bagels and big tech in ourboardroom, the latest500:00:18,930 --> 00:00:23,010developments, podcast index.orgto namespace and and of course,600:00:23,250 --> 00:00:26,730all the grubby grimy details ofpodcast index dot social. I'm700:00:26,730 --> 00:00:29,280Adam curry here in the heart ofthe Texas Hill Country and800:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,670Alabama the man who will turnyour issue into a discussion.900:00:32,940 --> 00:00:35,130Say hello to my friend on theother end ladies and gentlemen,1000:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,920Mr. De Jones.1100:00:39,300 --> 00:00:41,550Dave Jones: I feel ill equippedto talk about the latest in1200:00:41,550 --> 00:00:44,370recent and whatever else yousaid the developments in the1300:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,420pocket and podcasting. I've beengoing. I've been out of town.1400:00:48,450 --> 00:00:51,720Adam Curry: Well, I was out oftown too. But I was not.1500:00:51,900 --> 00:00:53,670Dave Jones: I was no excuse.1600:00:54,180 --> 00:00:55,920Adam Curry: Exactly Shut up,man. There's no excuse.1700:00:57,510 --> 00:01:01,530Dave Jones: Oh, I get home andpromptly. We get home Wednesday1800:01:01,530 --> 00:01:06,930night. Yeah, everything was fun.Yeah. Woke. Woke up. Felt fun1900:01:06,930 --> 00:01:12,960yesterday morning. Yeah. But bylunchtime by lunchtime, Tiny Tim2000:01:12,960 --> 00:01:13,950in full effect. I had a2100:01:14,789 --> 00:01:15,539Adam Curry: really2200:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,830Dave Jones: hard time in springmonths. This is2300:01:19,890 --> 00:01:22,620Adam Curry: getting ridiculous.Are you better now? Or is it2400:01:22,620 --> 00:01:23,460still full on?2500:01:23,490 --> 00:01:25,230Dave Jones: No, I had a feveragain today as2600:01:25,470 --> 00:01:27,840Unknown: what is wrong with you,man? I don't know.2700:01:31,980 --> 00:01:34,680Adam Curry: laughing I mean, I'mlaughing I'm of course I'm not2800:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,170really happy about it. But Ihave to laugh. It was like what2900:01:37,170 --> 00:01:39,690is going on with my man here?Well, I have3000:01:39,690 --> 00:01:41,430Dave Jones: to get I have tolaugh to you. Because this is3100:01:41,430 --> 00:01:47,160absurd at this point. It is. Itis a bit absurd. It's just not3200:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,250even talking about anymore andjust copying Advil and moving on3300:01:50,250 --> 00:01:50,850with my will. Have3400:01:50,850 --> 00:01:52,740Adam Curry: you been taking yourbeef milkshake?3500:01:53,100 --> 00:01:55,890Dave Jones: Yeah, every day.Well, I did not on the road. Not3600:01:55,890 --> 00:01:57,240when that's maybe the problem.3700:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,580Adam Curry: There you go. Youneed to always bring your your3800:01:59,580 --> 00:02:02,160beef milkshake brings all theboys to the yard.3900:02:03,150 --> 00:02:07,020Dave Jones: Emergency shake. Ididn't have it with me.4000:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,420Adam Curry: Alright, so I was onvacation. While kind of a work4100:02:12,420 --> 00:02:14,670vacation. I still did to noagenda shows.4200:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,180Dave Jones: Because I did agreat, by the way, send a great,4300:02:18,210 --> 00:02:18,630no, thank4400:02:18,630 --> 00:02:20,940Adam Curry: you. You know, somepeople said if you hadn't said4500:02:20,940 --> 00:02:22,710you're on vacation, theywouldn't have known it. They4600:02:22,710 --> 00:02:25,350would have known I was in adifferent place. No, I wouldn't4700:02:25,350 --> 00:02:27,990Dave Jones: have the audioquality was what you would4800:02:27,990 --> 00:02:29,850expect. Top notch. Yeah, well,4900:02:29,850 --> 00:02:31,980Adam Curry: it's the roadcaster, man, if I if I could5000:02:31,980 --> 00:02:33,600have built that thing myself, Iwould have5100:02:33,930 --> 00:02:37,440Dave Jones: got the rain was funto turn down for the first show.5200:02:37,859 --> 00:02:40,379Adam Curry: Could not could notcover that one up. I was some5300:02:40,379 --> 00:02:44,909that was some. That's what youget in, in the Caribbean. And5400:02:44,909 --> 00:02:48,269you know, as always, you know,we're, you know, we're there for5500:02:48,269 --> 00:02:51,389exactly a week. And of course, Iwas basically working, you know,5600:02:51,449 --> 00:02:55,439Tina, when we were laying out bythe beach. You know, Tina is5700:02:55,439 --> 00:02:58,379reading on my phone, you know,doing emails and you know, just5800:02:58,409 --> 00:03:01,379collecting all the stuff I need.And as always, you're like, you5900:03:01,379 --> 00:03:06,689know, we could live here, youknow? You always do. Yeah, we6000:03:06,689 --> 00:03:08,369could live here. We could liveon this. I could live in6100:03:08,369 --> 00:03:11,069Jamaica. No problem, man. Wecouldn't live here. You always6200:03:11,069 --> 00:03:14,459go through that cycle. Like, oh,this is so great here. You know,6300:03:14,489 --> 00:03:17,159you don't think you totallycould? Yeah, you don't but you6400:03:17,159 --> 00:03:20,939don't think about the problemsthat exist in Ireland. Like6500:03:21,029 --> 00:03:23,189there's there's enough problems.They got problems there.6600:03:23,670 --> 00:03:26,010Dave Jones: Though. We do thatto you because we were in we6700:03:26,010 --> 00:03:27,510were in Charleston, SouthCarolina.6800:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,300Adam Curry: Oh, which eautifulHave you been there before?6900:03:31,350 --> 00:03:34,260Dave Jones: Never been neverbeen to Charleston. We've we've7000:03:34,260 --> 00:03:38,400been to Savannah, which is likethe people in Charleston7100:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,490probably hate hearing the phrasethis stuff does look a lot a lot7200:03:41,490 --> 00:03:44,370like Savannah. And the people inSavannah probably hate hearing7300:03:44,370 --> 00:03:47,970it in reverse. But they reallyare so similar. I mean, they're7400:03:47,970 --> 00:03:51,570very close to each other andthey look a lot like that. Ya7500:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,300know, we had a good time and itwas it's funny because7600:03:54,300 --> 00:03:58,530Charleston is trusted affiliatevery wealthy play.7700:03:58,860 --> 00:04:01,320Adam Curry: Oh, didn'thistorically even that way.7800:04:02,370 --> 00:04:05,070Dave Jones: They know a lot ofpoor folks in Charleston and I7900:04:05,070 --> 00:04:05,310can8000:04:05,310 --> 00:04:09,090Adam Curry: see Dame Jennifer'seyes rolling right now. You know8100:04:09,090 --> 00:04:11,010she pretty much runs Charleston.8200:04:12,150 --> 00:04:14,640Dave Jones: Forgot Dame Jenniferwas in Charleston. She8300:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,570Adam Curry: would have hookedyou up bro. I know she runs the8400:04:18,570 --> 00:04:22,500show there. She she really she'sthe queen of Charleston.8500:04:23,490 --> 00:04:26,040Dave Jones: This this is acomplete faux pas on my part.8600:04:26,070 --> 00:04:28,650Hey, this this is like I droppedthe ball really8700:04:28,650 --> 00:04:31,770Adam Curry: is. Oh my goodness.Well, she'll show she'll beat8800:04:31,770 --> 00:04:32,220you out. I'm8900:04:32,220 --> 00:04:35,370Dave Jones: sure that's fine.No. Bring it.9000:04:35,610 --> 00:04:44,550Adam Curry: Speaking of DameJennifer. Oh. Oh. What is9100:04:44,550 --> 00:04:47,160speaking of Dame Jennifer so Iwas listening to the latest9200:04:47,190 --> 00:04:51,420audacity to podcast Daniel J.Lewis, his podcast which he9300:04:52,530 --> 00:04:57,180which he click Beatty titled?micro micro payments. Is it9400:04:57,180 --> 00:04:57,780worth it?9500:04:58,770 --> 00:05:01,890Dave Jones: Yeah, but it goesinto SCO gazing this Yeah,9600:05:01,890 --> 00:05:04,590Adam Curry: so So he, of coursetotally spoiled it says hand9700:05:04,590 --> 00:05:08,940hand Adam, you'll love it. Like,okay, and I listen, it's 309800:05:08,940 --> 00:05:13,860minutes I listened to thisthing. And, and I'm just I'm9900:05:13,860 --> 00:05:18,060jumping up and down. I'm like,every single thing we've wanted10000:05:18,060 --> 00:05:20,790to talk about when it comes tovalue for value in podcasting.10100:05:20,790 --> 00:05:25,2002.0 is in here, right down tothis handy shortcut, which is if10200:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,870you want to know how muchbitcoin is worth, all you have10300:05:27,870 --> 00:05:31,380to do is say, whatever thenumber is, let's say it's10400:05:31,410 --> 00:05:36,81028,000. Right now. That's28,000. pennies. 1000 SATs is10500:05:36,810 --> 00:05:42,00028,000 pennies, ie. No, I messedit up already.10600:05:43,470 --> 00:05:45,420Dave Jones: This is great. Ican't wait to catch this.10700:05:45,930 --> 00:05:49,350Adam Curry: 1000 SATs is 28pennies. There we go. That's10800:05:49,350 --> 00:05:51,210okay. That's how you got to lookat and it's like, oh, okay, that10900:05:51,210 --> 00:05:56,160makes a lot of sense. So but ifit's 30, it's $30,000 1000 sites11000:05:56,190 --> 00:05:59,760is 30 pennies. And like, oh,that kind of is handy to11100:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,050remember. I like this. But heexplains everything right? I11200:06:04,050 --> 00:06:06,660mean, and when I thought I wasnot going to talk about the11300:06:06,660 --> 00:06:10,200loop, you know, the feet, he hadit all in there. There's maybe a11400:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,040few things that went in a littlelittle deeper than necessary.11500:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,460And I immediately first of all,I gave him a huge striper boost11600:06:17,670 --> 00:06:25,62077,777 No. And I and Iimmediately ping Dame Jennifer,11700:06:25,620 --> 00:06:29,280I said, This is it. Can you dothis? Can I said we have a11800:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,590little budget podcast index.We'll pay you a little bit of11900:06:31,590 --> 00:06:34,320money to do this. Because it'snot it's not just a simple job.12000:06:36,210 --> 00:06:39,750Can you make a video this is theexplainer video for value for12100:06:39,750 --> 00:06:44,190value. And so she'll have thatdone in the next week or week or12200:06:44,190 --> 00:06:46,560two, whatever. She's she's goingto really sit down and do it12300:06:46,560 --> 00:06:47,490like a real job.12400:06:48,030 --> 00:06:49,830Dave Jones: Oh, like some butlike, I mean, like somes12500:06:49,830 --> 00:06:52,740actually in the works, like Yesand actually do so yeah,12600:06:52,890 --> 00:06:54,930Adam Curry: this is the thingthat we've been talking about,12700:06:55,290 --> 00:06:58,050for forever, like, Oh, if wecould only explain how it12800:06:58,050 --> 00:07:00,480worked, people would understandit that much better and damage.12900:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,540If we if we had sat in itactually we have if we had sat13000:07:03,540 --> 00:07:06,510down and said, Alright, I'mgoing to write the script. This13100:07:06,510 --> 00:07:10,410is what I was going to be wenever and even Daniel's read was13200:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,910good as we never would have beenable to accomplish this. So I13300:07:15,150 --> 00:07:16,740Dave Jones: like as a goodplayer. He's a good pocket13400:07:16,740 --> 00:07:17,460podcaster. He's13500:07:17,460 --> 00:07:20,640Adam Curry: excellent podcaster.And he really, really, really13600:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,960nailed it right down to thenumerology, all of it. So I13700:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,450mean, there could even be ashort edit and longer version. I13800:07:27,450 --> 00:07:31,650don't know. So Dame Jennifer'son it. And I think she can't13900:07:31,650 --> 00:07:33,840start until this weekend orMonday, because she had no14000:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,140actual work to do. But I said,we want to hire you for that. I14100:07:37,140 --> 00:07:40,530hope you don't mind. I knowthat's it's a personal personal14200:07:40,530 --> 00:07:43,560privilege and just said we wantto hire you for this job. And14300:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,700and of course, we'll also wewill compensate Daniel J. Lewis,14400:07:48,630 --> 00:07:51,990one way or the other. We've seensexual favors, obviously.14500:07:53,490 --> 00:07:54,600Dave Jones: I'm sure he'slooking forward to that.14600:07:55,230 --> 00:07:56,700Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, he'sjumping up and down. Now.14700:07:58,980 --> 00:08:03,270Dave Jones: He's going to resendthat episode. This. Oh, what is14800:08:03,270 --> 00:08:05,640this going to be? I mean, whatis she? What is she creating?14900:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,940Adam Curry: Well, you know, herno agenda videos and no agenda15000:08:08,940 --> 00:08:11,820animated videos that that toolthat she uses. She's going to do15100:08:11,850 --> 00:08:15,390use that I guess that's hertool. She knows.15200:08:16,170 --> 00:08:17,880Dave Jones: But you don'tactually know that she's going15300:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,490to use that she could ever callcar blog.15400:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,550Adam Curry: Carte Blanche isexactly the idea. Okay, carte15500:08:23,550 --> 00:08:26,940blanche on a crisp. She's She's,she's so creative.15600:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,000Dave Jones: Well, this is whatthis is what Melissa says when15700:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,180people she's currently workingon the on an installation for to15800:08:36,180 --> 00:08:38,970go in the city of Birmingham.Wow,15900:08:39,030 --> 00:08:41,730Adam Curry: she she went a longway since last time. We talked16000:08:41,730 --> 00:08:46,080about her art. Installation forthe city of Birmingham. Yes.16100:08:46,170 --> 00:08:48,180Dave Jones: No, she's alreadygot one that she did a few years16200:08:48,180 --> 00:08:50,460ago. That's, that's permanent.So16300:08:50,460 --> 00:08:52,770Adam Curry: I remember the Iremember panicle gardens. I do16400:08:52,770 --> 00:08:54,120remember that. Yeah. So16500:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,460Dave Jones: she now they theylove that one so much. They want16600:08:56,460 --> 00:09:00,180her to do want. She's doing onefor near the museum near the16700:09:00,210 --> 00:09:08,070Museum of Art. And so she iswhat she said like the there's16800:09:08,070 --> 00:09:10,500somebody that was involved init. It was trying to like tell16900:09:10,500 --> 00:09:15,810her exactly what to do. No, nowork that doesn't work this way.17000:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,830Doesn't work that way. And herher her line that she uses all17100:09:19,830 --> 00:09:25,620the time is I'm not going to beyour hand. You know, it's like,17200:09:26,490 --> 00:09:27,390Unknown: but yeah.17300:09:28,530 --> 00:09:31,830Dave Jones: You don't hire me tobe your hands. You hire me to do17400:09:31,860 --> 00:09:32,970to be creative17500:09:32,970 --> 00:09:36,900Adam Curry: mind. Yes, exactly.To do your thing. Oh, well, this17600:09:36,900 --> 00:09:39,090will be interesting. That'sexactly how I view I'm like,17700:09:39,090 --> 00:09:42,480this is this. Jennifer knows,she knows she knows how to do17800:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,160it. And we've talked about thisat nauseam we've said yeah, if17900:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,460only people could see the flowand they understood it. And as18000:09:51,060 --> 00:09:54,600the voice over which it ofcourse was just an episode, but18100:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,180when you hear Daniel J do it,it's like, you know, he's it's18200:09:57,180 --> 00:10:01,920like he's just reading a scriptso casually. So Oh good. So I'm18300:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,010jacked jazz and jacked at thesame time. I really am happy18400:10:05,010 --> 00:10:09,420about that. It's gonna be areally it'll be great. We're lit18500:10:09,420 --> 00:10:14,250right now, of course, live. Andit was interesting because I18600:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,340knew that we were going to belate you had a work thing. So we18700:10:17,340 --> 00:10:19,920knew that we were going to belate for this episode. And I18800:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,640diligently tweeted and tweetedit out and then who was it18900:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,900someone was really funny aboutit because Martin good old pod19000:10:27,900 --> 00:10:35,910pod friend Martin. He he sent mea message on no agenda social by19100:10:35,910 --> 00:10:39,270me podcast index dot social. Andhe said he had a little19200:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,810screenshot. When he says Daveand Adam, I don't know when to19300:10:42,810 --> 00:10:44,880tune in for the Live episode,because it still have the19400:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,670latest, you know, the the lastlit tag for the pending live19500:10:50,670 --> 00:10:55,980show, March news 30. Priorityand what it was for March 17.19600:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,170And then Harvey, a hard hat. Hesays, Oh, if only there was some19700:11:01,170 --> 00:11:04,350kind of way to announce thepanting schedule of the next19800:11:04,350 --> 00:11:05,340show.19900:11:06,180 --> 00:11:06,810Dave Jones: Smart. So20000:11:08,850 --> 00:11:12,450Adam Curry: he did do someemojis. So true. Yeah. And of20100:11:12,450 --> 00:11:17,160course, I actually took my MyBride out on a date. We had a,20200:11:17,370 --> 00:11:20,640we had a lunch together andlike, Oh, crap, hold on a20300:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,050second, baby. I'm so sorry. Idid. I did. I did. But she so20400:11:26,070 --> 00:11:26,430she said20500:11:26,430 --> 00:11:27,630Dave Jones: what relationshipkiller?20600:11:28,590 --> 00:11:30,930Adam Curry: But you have tounderstand the keeper. What are20700:11:30,930 --> 00:11:35,640you doing? I said, I need toupdate the schedule change20800:11:35,970 --> 00:11:38,850through the lit tag. She's like,Oh, of course. Go ahead.20900:11:41,310 --> 00:11:42,030Unknown: My Bride.21000:11:42,690 --> 00:11:43,980Dave Jones: That's why she'sknown as the keeper.21100:11:44,369 --> 00:11:46,709Adam Curry: She's so good. Soyeah. And I did it on my phone.21200:11:46,709 --> 00:11:48,659It worked out pretty good. Thatwas good.21300:11:49,860 --> 00:11:51,870Dave Jones: And my phone had youdo it on your phone21400:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,000Adam Curry: through sovereignfeet.21500:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,340Dave Jones: So you made thatchange on sovereign? This? Okay,21600:11:59,340 --> 00:12:02,820this makes sense. Because youmade the change in sovereign21700:12:02,820 --> 00:12:04,020feeds in the new21800:12:04,050 --> 00:12:05,940Adam Curry: and we have thewebhook webhook. We haven't.21900:12:06,810 --> 00:12:11,250Yeah, exactly. How cool is that?Went? Well, I hooked it and it22000:12:11,250 --> 00:12:14,850was done. I did. You know, ofcourse, the web hook does the22100:12:14,850 --> 00:12:17,400pod pings are updatedautomatically. But22200:12:17,610 --> 00:12:21,720Dave Jones: this is the problem.This is the problem with with22300:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,390all the with all the stuff thatwe have going on a consistent22400:12:24,390 --> 00:12:28,080basis. You forget what you'vedone and what you haven't done.22500:12:28,590 --> 00:12:30,330Like, like, you know what Imean? Like?22600:12:31,950 --> 00:12:34,290Adam Curry: FTP, the RSS was22700:12:34,950 --> 00:12:36,810Dave Jones: like, Man, did youbring out a laptop on the lunch22800:12:36,810 --> 00:12:39,150date? Man, that's, that is akiller. That is bad.22900:12:39,150 --> 00:12:42,630Adam Curry: No, no, no. And so,and I bring this up, because I23000:12:42,630 --> 00:12:47,130just wanted to say that, youknow, every day, we get a, like23100:12:47,130 --> 00:12:51,690a breakdown, you and I get abreakdown of transactions or the23200:12:51,690 --> 00:12:54,090stuff that we know the stuffthat's basically on the V for V23300:12:54,090 --> 00:12:57,870stats page. So yeah, what youput in those beautiful graphs,23400:12:57,870 --> 00:13:01,110and so we get kind of dailyreport. And I just want to23500:13:01,110 --> 00:13:06,030report that it's really it'sbeen so beautiful to watch.23600:13:06,930 --> 00:13:09,810This, of course, is really onlyreflections of what people are23700:13:09,810 --> 00:13:14,070doing with value for value instreaming payments. And hands23800:13:14,070 --> 00:13:18,360down without a doubt. Fountainis so off to the races with this23900:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,690stuff. I mean, there's SATsflying all over the place on24000:13:21,690 --> 00:13:26,640that thing. And the more I'veengaged in what is happening,24100:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,750the more I love how it works.And even with carrying the24200:13:30,750 --> 00:13:34,290keeper our show, we often get abooster gram from someone who24300:13:34,290 --> 00:13:38,400says, Hey, I earned all theseSATs. unfound unfounded and and24400:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,860I'm boosting him to you. It'sreally lovely. You know, you24500:13:43,860 --> 00:13:46,920have they have the top 50 ofwhich they publish the top 10.24600:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,330And now we've even got living upin a down world from our pastor,24700:13:51,330 --> 00:13:53,730Pastor Jimmy and his wife whohave totally written off the24800:13:53,730 --> 00:13:57,210Korean the keeper format. Andand they're now they're now in24900:13:57,210 --> 00:14:00,750the top 10 From time to time.And it's the engagement is25000:14:00,900 --> 00:14:05,610unbelievable. In fact, theengagement is usually about 1025100:14:05,610 --> 00:14:10,530times more than than the numbertwo. And in fact, I will do it25200:14:10,530 --> 00:14:14,610by transaction. So the number oftransactions is very, very high25300:14:14,610 --> 00:14:20,040on fountain. But what's superinteresting is that pod verse25400:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,500who really have the lit stuffdown, Mitch is real and he spent25500:14:25,500 --> 00:14:27,960a lot of time on thenotifications and how it works25600:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,890and it's it's slick, it reallyworks. In fact, I probably use25700:14:31,890 --> 00:14:35,790pod verse more often because ofit. Because I'll be sitting25800:14:35,790 --> 00:14:38,850somewhere being our new mediashow. I gotta go send some25900:14:38,850 --> 00:14:43,980stupid to Todd Hold on a second.I gotta I gotta tune in. So,26000:14:44,190 --> 00:14:49,530Satoshi wise, amount wise, theyoften knock it out of the park26100:14:49,530 --> 00:14:54,570on pod verse off the chart, noteven close. Yes, because I mean26200:14:54,570 --> 00:14:57,600it's two different things,right. It's two total different26300:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,070ways of using the value from Areyou system but man in26400:15:02,070 --> 00:15:05,640combination with live? It'sbeautiful and I listened to? I'm26500:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,900not sure if how they how DarrenO'Neil does his live show? I'm26600:15:09,900 --> 00:15:13,170not sure if he's doing itthrough a feed or I don't know26700:15:13,170 --> 00:15:17,730exactly. But I hear him getting50,000 Sad boosts I mean, just26800:15:17,730 --> 00:15:24,240consistently. And even curiocaster is number three even26900:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,840though you know it's a web appand doesn't have doesn't have a27000:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,500notification system, but peopleuse that for the for the live27100:15:31,500 --> 00:15:35,730for the live shows. It's it'sit's mind blowing how two27200:15:35,730 --> 00:15:38,790different concepts work so well.27300:15:40,110 --> 00:15:42,420Dave Jones: I think what yousaid may have gotten lost. Let27400:15:42,420 --> 00:15:43,140me let me27500:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,620Adam Curry: let me read. This iswhy there's two of us.27600:15:48,210 --> 00:15:51,300Dave Jones: Let me try toclarify what you're saying is27700:15:51,300 --> 00:15:56,970that fountain is always at thetop. Yeah. On a day to day27800:15:56,970 --> 00:16:01,920basis. But on the budget. As faras SATs and transactions use,27900:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,450yeah. Yeah. But on the day onthe live shows for the for the28000:16:06,480 --> 00:16:13,080for the Live episode, pod verseis way above fountain on on on28100:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,010SATs. Yeah, the transactioncount is low. But the set amount28200:16:17,010 --> 00:16:21,720is high. Exactly. And that thatshows the power of live Yes.28300:16:21,810 --> 00:16:29,700Shows Yes. But you really get adifferent. It's some you get a28400:16:29,700 --> 00:16:32,070different, it's differentpeople. Because people that28500:16:32,070 --> 00:16:35,040listen live, don't go back. Andtypically I mean, so I'm sure28600:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,250some do. But typically peoplethat listen live, don't go back28700:16:38,250 --> 00:16:41,370and listen to the show.Afterwards, probably not an28800:16:41,370 --> 00:16:41,880audience.28900:16:41,910 --> 00:16:44,580Adam Curry: But it's also tocomplete. This is what I've29000:16:44,580 --> 00:16:48,450always hoped for. It's twocompletely different apps. Both29100:16:48,450 --> 00:16:53,970podcasts. Yeah. Both work finewith podcasts. But Fountain has29200:16:53,970 --> 00:16:57,780this massive interactionengagement type thing. It's very29300:16:57,780 --> 00:17:02,580sticky. And it was beauty hasbeen beautiful to see. My friend29400:17:02,580 --> 00:17:06,660Jimmy and his wife start theirshow, really with no knowledge.29500:17:06,690 --> 00:17:10,650I mean, just, I mean, he's amusician he understands. So he29600:17:10,650 --> 00:17:13,830didn't he was afraid of creatingthe show. didn't quite know how29700:17:13,830 --> 00:17:17,640to use it. I hooked him up withrss.com You know, where all of a29800:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,370sudden transcript showed upautomatically the split showed29900:17:20,370 --> 00:17:23,460up. So all that stuff reallystarted and he got it right30000:17:23,460 --> 00:17:28,020away. But he sees his communityon fountain, which is really30100:17:28,020 --> 00:17:32,700cool, because he's, you know,he's giving little boosts back30200:17:32,700 --> 00:17:35,490to people who comment and stuff.And they see that as a30300:17:35,490 --> 00:17:39,870community. Whereas we have curioKassar, also just the podcast30400:17:39,870 --> 00:17:45,270app, but really has thecommunity of the live shows. And30500:17:45,270 --> 00:17:49,050I love that because now you havetwo podcast apps, but it's not30600:17:49,050 --> 00:17:52,290all the same thing. They'reusing it in different ways. And30700:17:52,290 --> 00:17:55,200I think there's so much morethat, that we can do with that30800:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,190there's so many more things thatcan be created, particularly in30900:17:59,190 --> 00:18:01,980the live sense, but even buteven in the engagement side,31000:18:02,010 --> 00:18:07,500it's it just I'm so happy, youknow, and it's so easy at it for31100:18:07,500 --> 00:18:11,100a podcast or to add a splitsomewhere for some other service31200:18:11,100 --> 00:18:17,190to get fired up. You know, justto be now I put in 1% split that31300:18:17,190 --> 00:18:21,480goes to my wallet on fountain.So other shows shows up there31400:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,090even though I don't have awallet, I'm fountain, you know,31500:18:24,090 --> 00:18:27,270that receives all the Satoshis.It's just it's just mind31600:18:27,270 --> 00:18:31,980boggling how much is happeningin completely different ways31700:18:32,010 --> 00:18:34,980with the same basic podcastidea. Does that make sense?31800:18:35,490 --> 00:18:38,880Dave Jones: What I'm waiting forsomebody to build the live31900:18:40,380 --> 00:18:44,790instead of just like instead ofjust putting live into an32000:18:44,790 --> 00:18:49,710existing app, like build anentire app around live who Yeah,32100:18:50,220 --> 00:18:54,120you know, because what you'rereally building is radio,32200:18:54,630 --> 00:18:56,460Adam Curry: or YouTube orYouTube Live?32300:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,290Dave Jones: Yeah, you're like,you can imagine it, let's just32400:19:01,290 --> 00:19:05,250let's just extrapolate out like,I don't know, three years from32500:19:05,250 --> 00:19:09,150now. You have, let's just say32600:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,790Adam Curry: three months, threeyears from now, I don't know if32700:19:11,790 --> 00:19:14,040I'll be alive. You might want totighten that up a bit.32800:19:14,970 --> 00:19:20,280Dave Jones: You'll be living inthe living in Jamaica. But like,32900:19:21,270 --> 00:19:24,780Oh, I remember was gonna sayabout about Charleston. I33000:19:24,780 --> 00:19:28,080remember why I brought that up.You said you know, you look33100:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,940around, you're like, Oh, wecould live here. We looked33200:19:29,940 --> 00:19:33,510around and we're like, nobodycan live here for less, you33300:19:33,510 --> 00:19:33,810know,33400:19:33,870 --> 00:19:35,220Adam Curry: for less than amillion dollars.33500:19:37,020 --> 00:19:39,600Dave Jones: Like these houses?No, no, we can't live here. But33600:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,910anyway, like, if you if you lookat three years in the field,33700:19:41,910 --> 00:19:45,900let's just say there's 200 showsdoing live. Well. I mean, don't33800:19:45,900 --> 00:19:49,500you at that point, aren't thoseall like, essentially, you have33900:19:49,500 --> 00:19:53,010radio stations at that point. Imean, you can turn the dial and34000:19:53,010 --> 00:19:56,040there's a deal going on withthere's probably a few shows34100:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,590happening streaming live so thatyou begin to That becomes this34200:20:01,590 --> 00:20:04,530sort of radio like experience.Well, how about34300:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,950Adam Curry: the idea that Moeand I have always had his34400:20:07,950 --> 00:20:14,250versus, like, can I have like alive vote? Do you like this34500:20:14,280 --> 00:20:19,110versus that? Okay, you know,click on this button to send34600:20:19,110 --> 00:20:22,140sets to that to that wallet orwhatever. I'm not sure how it34700:20:22,140 --> 00:20:25,230works. I'm just talking about,you know, to register your vote34800:20:25,230 --> 00:20:31,380here being or registering. Well,versus the idea of versus is you34900:20:31,380 --> 00:20:36,600got two DJs you know, DJ one, DJtwo, or rapper or hip hop,35000:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,300whatever it is, it doesn't couldbe country herbs, classical for35100:20:39,300 --> 00:20:42,240all I care. And, you know, withthe, with the music stuff, that35200:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,500we're starting to integrate livemusic, I mean, all of this is35300:20:46,500 --> 00:20:51,180totally possible. And it's allwithin the grasp, and people are35400:20:51,180 --> 00:20:55,080making money. I mean, there'sreal money happening here. You35500:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,190know, there's like, hundreds ofdollars a day 1000s And 1000s a35600:20:59,190 --> 00:21:03,990month. 10s of 1000s. This Imean, just go look at V for B35700:21:03,990 --> 00:21:05,040stats.com.35800:21:07,260 --> 00:21:09,120Dave Jones: Yeah, Nathan saysTwitch for podcasting. Yes,35900:21:09,120 --> 00:21:12,360good. Good analogy. There yougo. No, you're good. On the36000:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,810music side where we were.Today's show was supposed to be36100:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,800my husband's to be Michael andSam from wave lake for the36200:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,860second time that got that gotderailed. I mean, this is like36300:21:22,860 --> 00:21:26,310dude, like the, the cursedpodcast guests. But36400:21:26,970 --> 00:21:29,670Adam Curry: then it got worse,then it got worse, because you36500:21:29,670 --> 00:21:33,900rescheduled them. And thenyesterday, I had my my scan for36600:21:33,900 --> 00:21:40,290my teeth. And Dr. Mitch, he'slike, Oh, I'm so excited. You36700:21:40,290 --> 00:21:48,450got seven millimeters of bone.Bone edge, man. Yeah. He's like,36800:21:48,510 --> 00:21:52,20026th of April, you're goingthree hours, it'll be great36900:21:52,230 --> 00:21:56,190then. And by the way, also noton the brochure. After that37000:21:56,190 --> 00:22:00,180three hour procedure, then threemonths to heal. Then I get the37100:22:00,180 --> 00:22:03,180teeth jacked arm. So I have,I'll still be using37200:22:03,750 --> 00:22:07,890Dave Jones: temporary slippers.seven millimeters of bone.37300:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,500Adam Curry: Yeah, the group theyossified myself.37400:22:10,860 --> 00:22:12,300Dave Jones: That's a great showtitle.37500:22:12,870 --> 00:22:14,310Adam Curry: seven millimeters ofbone37600:22:20,910 --> 00:22:24,660Dave Jones: the lot like liveperformances and stuff. I mean,37700:22:24,660 --> 00:22:28,440this is all there. This is allthere for the taking. So we'll37800:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,540we'll talk about we'll talkabout all that with them. But37900:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,320that really kind of needs toyour the vs thing made me think38000:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,840about, you know, a remote.38100:22:37,830 --> 00:22:40,860Adam Curry: Item live. It's allin there, man. It's all in. I'm38200:22:40,860 --> 00:22:41,790so excited.38300:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,970Dave Jones: Speaking of. So, youknow, I've been going through38400:22:44,970 --> 00:22:49,170the the namespace and convertingall the issues to discussions.38500:22:50,970 --> 00:22:55,320Which has been a it's been it'sone of those things where as38600:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,580long and tedious but it actuallyis. I'm really glad that that38700:22:59,580 --> 00:23:02,580I'm going through this becauseit helps me re read everything.38800:23:04,230 --> 00:23:06,240Adam Curry: And actually,whenever I see the email come38900:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,060in, Dave Jones has convertedthis issue to a dense39000:23:09,090 --> 00:23:11,610discussion. I'm like, okay,click. Let's take a39100:23:11,610 --> 00:23:15,570Dave Jones: look. Now wait,wait, wait, we wait. Hang on,39200:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,350hang on. Are you saying thatevery please tell me that every39300:23:19,350 --> 00:23:22,590time I do this, people aren'tgetting spammed with 100 emails?39400:23:22,650 --> 00:23:26,340Adam Curry: No, not 100 Just oneevery single time you convert an39500:23:26,340 --> 00:23:30,000issue to a discussion, I get anemail. Every one.39600:23:30,090 --> 00:23:33,240Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm happyabout that. Or is it only the39700:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,120ones that you've replied to insome way? Or is it all of them?39800:23:36,210 --> 00:23:40,320Adam Curry: Well, I I, I'msubscribed to the whole GitHub,39900:23:40,350 --> 00:23:43,650you know, so you can subscribeto different things. I want to40000:23:43,650 --> 00:23:47,760see it all. Yeah, it's just ourbaby. I may not know how to how40100:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,690to use GitHub, but I can read anemail. I can I can click in and40200:23:51,690 --> 00:23:54,240reply to someone and say I don'tagree with that. You know,40300:23:54,240 --> 00:23:54,720something new40400:23:54,750 --> 00:23:56,700Dave Jones: Eric P paces. Hegets all of them, but he's40500:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,250watching the repo. Okay. So ifyou're watching the repo, you40600:23:59,250 --> 00:24:00,210get all those? Yeah. So40700:24:00,450 --> 00:24:03,480Adam Curry: I am watching therepo. Correct. Okay. All right.40800:24:03,480 --> 00:24:03,840Well,40900:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,890Dave Jones: if I spend anybodywith conversions, my apologies,41000:24:07,890 --> 00:24:07,950I41100:24:07,950 --> 00:24:09,870Adam Curry: don't care. I likeit. I'm cool with it.41200:24:10,350 --> 00:24:12,420Dave Jones: But there's been alot of been a lot of great41300:24:12,420 --> 00:24:18,330discovery going on here. Like,let's see, where's my sheet41400:24:18,330 --> 00:24:22,530here? Stuff I forgot about like,the sponsor tag.41500:24:24,180 --> 00:24:25,380Adam Curry: Yes, I saw this one.41600:24:26,610 --> 00:24:32,070Dave Jones: And somebody Africawho wasn't me. Was it Daniel, or41700:24:32,070 --> 00:24:35,640no, it may have been, maybeMitch actually. Yeah, I think it41800:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,390was Mitch. He wanted acontinuous attribute on the live41900:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,340item. Tag.42000:24:42,149 --> 00:24:45,029Adam Curry: Like oh, yes, yes.Yeah. Like it's a continuous42100:24:45,029 --> 00:24:45,659stream.42200:24:46,199 --> 00:24:51,419Dave Jones: Yeah. For things forfor stuff like 100%. Retro, yes.42300:24:52,379 --> 00:24:53,489And then42400:24:54,060 --> 00:24:56,130Adam Curry: that kind of makessense as far as I'm concerned.42500:24:57,420 --> 00:25:00,150Dave Jones: See, okay. Now thisis this is one I mean, Well, I42600:25:00,150 --> 00:25:02,070guess we're going, you gotanything else you wanna talk42700:25:02,070 --> 00:25:04,740about? We need to do namespacetalk, or do we want to know I42800:25:04,740 --> 00:25:07,230have something that we talkabout? Yeah. Okay, go go for42900:25:07,230 --> 00:25:09,390because that was about it thatwas about to dive into a43000:25:09,420 --> 00:25:12,930namespace not off the off thediving board. No,43100:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,900Adam Curry: well, actually, thisis your fault.43200:25:17,580 --> 00:25:20,040Dave Jones: Please. Alright, Iwoke up to it, whatever. Yeah,43300:25:20,070 --> 00:25:25,350Adam Curry: the podcaststandards project launched.43400:25:28,770 --> 00:25:30,780Well, that makes me explain whatyou're43500:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,250Dave Jones: okay. You just likeit you just like43600:25:37,980 --> 00:25:40,350Adam Curry: or not the wholething. Now, let me get to the43700:25:40,350 --> 00:25:45,510year for the podcast. And let meget to your ballpark. Because,43800:25:45,510 --> 00:25:51,300okay, you know, this launch. Andof course, I read the blog post,43900:25:51,330 --> 00:25:55,020with all respect a little, alittle flowery, a little, just44000:25:55,020 --> 00:25:57,450seemed to be different,different versions of44100:25:57,450 --> 00:26:03,480explanation of what this exactlyis about. And, you know, and you44200:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,950said, Oh, listen to the buzzcast. It's a very good44300:26:07,950 --> 00:26:11,880explanation. And I'll let youknow, and you're my partner,44400:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520like, Okay, I immediatelystopped whatever I was doing,44500:26:14,550 --> 00:26:16,680measuring my bone, and I went44600:26:17,310 --> 00:26:21,090Dave Jones: six millimeters. Sowe're gonna let me44700:26:21,090 --> 00:26:23,550Adam Curry: listen to thepodcast. This is the Buzzsprout44800:26:23,550 --> 00:26:28,080podcast. I know who's on that.Who's on the it's Kevin, Kevin,44900:26:28,110 --> 00:26:31,470Dave Jones: Kevin, and Alvin andJordan. Right. Okay.45000:26:32,070 --> 00:26:36,000Adam Curry: And so there is avery good explanation. And I'm45100:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,190like, Oh, okay. Cuz I've heard,you know, couple of varying45200:26:41,190 --> 00:26:45,360things. And then they get intoanalogies, which was a hilarious45300:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,290bit, you know, and I think itwas maybe album did a did45400:26:49,290 --> 00:26:52,290analogy, which was, which wasgreat. Except that doesn't work45500:26:52,290 --> 00:26:54,240for women. So it was likecompletely completely45600:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,600misogynist. And like, Oh, dude,I knew that he was going down a45700:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,580bad road with that. But thenKevin gave his his analogy. And45800:27:02,580 --> 00:27:08,010I wanted to play that because itreally explained what, what45900:27:08,010 --> 00:27:12,420they're trying to do with thecore Protocol, or I think RSS is46000:27:12,420 --> 00:27:15,720a format, right? It's not reallya protocol. I mean, I forget how46100:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,030you've been asked that itdoesn't matter format. Format46200:27:18,030 --> 00:27:20,520doesn't even matter what youmean to answer. Did you know I46300:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,610did, I'm sorry, no, don't answerit. It's not worth it. Because46400:27:23,610 --> 00:27:26,430we get a lot of emails, or youcan always boost the grandmas.46500:27:26,430 --> 00:27:29,520If you disagree with something.It's not important, but it's46600:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,610this format. So I want to playthat analogy from the buzz cast.46700:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,060Here we go.46800:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,820Unknown: Let's talk about email.So email, there has been a46900:27:35,820 --> 00:27:38,310standard that's been around foryears and years and years, I47000:27:38,310 --> 00:27:40,980really have no idea how old theemail spec is, when I talk when47100:27:40,980 --> 00:27:44,070we talk about email protocols.We're mostly talking about IMAP,47200:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,460which is pretty much what runsInternet Mail. Nowadays, there47300:27:47,460 --> 00:27:49,290was another one called Popthree, but they were they were47400:27:49,290 --> 00:27:52,080compatible, very similartechnologies. And most email47500:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,530transfers on both of these twoprotocols. But for for years and47600:27:55,530 --> 00:27:58,980years, when email came out, italways looked the same, whether47700:27:58,980 --> 00:28:03,750you're in Outlook, or Yahoo, orwhatever, well, about 20 years47800:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,060ago, Google said, We're gonnalaunch an email client, we're47900:28:06,060 --> 00:28:08,580gonna do things a little bitdifferently. And they organized48000:28:08,580 --> 00:28:10,560your email differently. Theyorganized it by threads. And48100:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,480they said, instead of tradingfolders and putting things in48200:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,180folders, you can just tag stuffand just archive it. And if you48300:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,130want to dig it up, again, yourprimary way to do that is going48400:28:17,130 --> 00:28:19,680to be search. This is allproprietary technology that was48500:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,010built off of the same standardprotocol. Since then, in recent48600:28:23,010 --> 00:28:25,260years, we've seen moreinnovation happen in email, like48700:28:25,260 --> 00:28:27,540now another company came alongcalled superhuman, and they48800:28:27,540 --> 00:28:31,650decided to innovate on top ofpeople with Gmail addresses, but48900:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,570they're just using that waystuck on the back.49000:28:34,770 --> 00:28:36,060Dave Jones: superhuman,49100:28:36,150 --> 00:28:40,080Adam Curry: I've never heard ofthis shit. I don't know what49200:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,330this is. It sounds likesomething I want to check out49300:28:42,330 --> 00:28:46,230though. It's great. Yeah. Soagain, it's all analogy about49400:28:46,230 --> 00:28:50,280things built on top of IMAP,there was pop three as well, but49500:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,840by maps far superior,49600:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,910Unknown: people with Gmailaddresses, but they're just49700:28:53,910 --> 00:28:56,520using that same protocol in thebackground. They're saying, we49800:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,670don't actually have to serve theemail, let Google do that. But49900:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,150we can improve upon Google'sinterface around it. So we're50000:29:03,150 --> 00:29:05,340leveraging a protocol that'sbeen delivered by another50100:29:05,340 --> 00:29:09,180company. And we provide our ownUI, again, all innovation that's50200:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,450happening on top of a standardprotocol. And then just even50300:29:12,450 --> 00:29:15,210more recently than superhuman,you have Basecamp, which is now50400:29:15,210 --> 00:29:17,220called 37, signals to thecompany behind Hey, they50500:29:17,220 --> 00:29:19,440launched their own emailproduct. And they say we're50600:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,930gonna thread messages as well.But we have some new ideas50700:29:21,930 --> 00:29:23,820around the interface, and we'regoing to strain stuff out, we're50800:29:23,820 --> 00:29:25,920not going to let people intoyour inbox by default, you have50900:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,370to get give them permission toland in your inbox. Like, again,51000:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,090more innovation that's happeningupon layers of a standard51100:29:33,090 --> 00:29:35,820protocol. And that's the samething that can happen in51200:29:35,820 --> 00:29:39,600podcasting. But we don't have tochange the original protocols51300:29:39,630 --> 00:29:42,870like RSS is great. Theextensions and the namespaces51400:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,750that are built on top of themare great. So the podcast51500:29:45,750 --> 00:29:47,490interest project, we're notgoing to come out and say, Hey,51600:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,160we need a new namespace. It'sgoing to be the new podcast51700:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,460standards namespace. No, thereare great namespaces that exist.51800:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,100All we're doing is trying tofigure out the best of all of51900:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,830them and putting them togetherand saying, Hey, if you're gonna52000:29:58,830 --> 00:30:01,950build technology in the spacelet's all agree to support these52100:30:01,950 --> 00:30:04,980things as table stakes, and theninnovate on top of that, and52200:30:04,980 --> 00:30:07,950create great experiences for onboth sides for the podcast or52300:30:07,950 --> 00:30:11,310for the listeners, foradvertisers for whatever, but52400:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,920like we need some set of groundrules to be able to all work52500:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,760from so that what we build worksfor a lot of people. I think52600:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,000that52700:30:18,330 --> 00:30:20,130Dave Jones: going forward towardwe should have an ongoing52800:30:20,130 --> 00:30:23,850segment of Kevin and I try tothink of different areas where52900:30:23,850 --> 00:30:27,060there's I've got some,53000:30:27,540 --> 00:30:30,870Adam Curry: okay, so youunderstand the basic idea is,53100:30:31,470 --> 00:30:35,370they're not trying to recreatewhat podcasting 2.0 has done, or53200:30:35,370 --> 00:30:38,820what, what Apple's done with theiTunes namespace, not trying to53300:30:38,820 --> 00:30:43,470rewrite RSS 2.0. We're trying tocreate an industry group that53400:30:43,470 --> 00:30:46,590says, hey, this is the place youcome to, if you want to know53500:30:46,590 --> 00:30:50,430what kind of the baseline is,for a podcast hosting company53600:30:50,430 --> 00:30:53,640for a pack, podcast client. Andit's also the place you can say,53700:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400hey, if only where could I ifI've already seen them say, oh,53800:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,010no, you wanna if you want topropose a tag over the podcast53900:30:59,010 --> 00:31:02,250namespace, I like that a lot.And I'd like to give my own54000:31:02,250 --> 00:31:04,140analogy. So54100:31:04,170 --> 00:31:06,960Dave Jones: which I think I alsohave an analogy, and I will, but54200:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,400I will do it after your analogy.54300:31:08,430 --> 00:31:13,740Adam Curry: Oh, good. Oh, no,it's the analogy show. What two54400:31:13,740 --> 00:31:16,890and a half, three years ago,open podcasting came under54500:31:16,890 --> 00:31:20,190attack from big tech had beenbrewing for a while. But as one54600:31:20,190 --> 00:31:23,550of the creators of podcasting, Iconsidered it my duty to defend54700:31:23,550 --> 00:31:27,540to protect what we ended up withDave Winer, but you know, what54800:31:27,540 --> 00:31:31,680we initially created and a lotof people, a lot of stakeholders54900:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160and open podcasting built onRSS. So Dave, you and I, we55000:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000built a fortress, around thefreedom that was created almost55100:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,400two decades ago. Regardless, I55200:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,020Dave Jones: like this goodanalysis,55300:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,460Adam Curry: the fortress offreedom you like that?55400:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,900Regardless of any agenda fromApple, Spotify, Amazon, Google,55500:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,990we ensured that there willalways be a free and open home55600:31:54,990 --> 00:31:59,010for podcasting at podcastindex.org and assure its55700:31:59,010 --> 00:32:02,340longevity by publishing theentire database, which we we55800:32:02,340 --> 00:32:06,660dropped one every single week,anybody can down, anybody could55900:32:06,660 --> 00:32:10,050could replicate what we're doingand set up a new index. If we've56000:32:10,050 --> 00:32:13,770keel over. Whatever happens, weif we say, Oh, we're done when56100:32:13,770 --> 00:32:16,680you don't want it anymore,anybody can do it. So that56200:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,310fortress of freedom forpodcasting and podcasting, on56300:32:20,310 --> 00:32:24,300that end is done. Now, we alsodecided to fix a problem for the56400:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,250development of improvements, andmodernization of podcasting. And56500:32:29,250 --> 00:32:32,730we did this. I think this was,honestly I think this is the56600:32:32,730 --> 00:32:38,190genius. We did this by enablingparticipation in the value flow56700:32:38,190 --> 00:32:42,630of podcasting, by creating anincentive that allowed anybody56800:32:42,630 --> 00:32:45,540including application developersand service providers any to56900:32:45,540 --> 00:32:50,010benefit from its success. Thatmeant mistakenly seen by some as57000:32:50,010 --> 00:32:54,210crypto bro stuff, the value forvalue system created a simple57100:32:54,210 --> 00:32:57,000and elegant way for anyoneproviding value to the system to57200:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,980receive value in return. Thatwas really a counter attack on57300:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,120the big tech companies, whoalways always expect content57400:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000creators and software developersto give up their work for free57500:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,770or 99 cents. You know, it's notvery incentivizing in the big57600:33:13,770 --> 00:33:18,750tech model, to our weapons inthis, you know, fight for57700:33:18,750 --> 00:33:22,170freedom, if you will, oursoftware and content. And by the57800:33:22,170 --> 00:33:25,260way, I don't see much differencebetween someone writing content57900:33:25,260 --> 00:33:27,690for a podcast or writing code,it's all writing, it's all58000:33:27,690 --> 00:33:31,080creative. It all comes out ofhuman beings. And we put it into58100:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,530computer one way or the other,whether it's digital audio or58200:33:34,530 --> 00:33:39,030digital bits of code podcastersin their audience now today have58300:33:39,030 --> 00:33:44,040over 70 apps and services tochoose from, that really created58400:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,030this formidable front thatconsists of I think, over a half58500:33:48,030 --> 00:33:51,810million modernized views ofwhich 12,800 now are sharing58600:33:51,810 --> 00:33:57,390value is kind of the rightnumber. Yep. So inch by inch tag58700:33:57,390 --> 00:34:01,740by tag, we are gainingterritory. And we do this by58800:34:01,740 --> 00:34:06,540creating podcasts enriched withnew forms of content58900:34:06,630 --> 00:34:10,140implementing features far fasterthan any big tech companies59000:34:10,140 --> 00:34:14,520could ever dream of. Now as withany conflict, and I think and59100:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,450I've we I've always felt thisconflict with certainly Spotify59200:34:18,450 --> 00:34:21,570and to a degree Apple morerecently and and YouTube and all59300:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,750those guy conflict. So we haveconflict, you need fighters on59400:34:24,750 --> 00:34:27,450the front lines, that'spodcasting 2.0 and the59500:34:27,450 --> 00:34:32,400podcasters and their audiencesusing the modern ecosystem. But59600:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,630with conflict you also need avision of resolution no war59700:34:36,630 --> 00:34:41,760lasts forever. So for that weneed diplomats and right on cue59800:34:42,060 --> 00:34:44,730the podcast Standards Projectyou like it Do you like my59900:34:44,730 --> 00:34:45,090analogy?60000:34:47,790 --> 00:34:50,040Dave Jones: I like this tourneyturned so like it.60100:34:50,070 --> 00:34:52,980Adam Curry: So we need thediplomats here comes podcast60200:34:52,980 --> 00:34:56,370standards project that wasreally willed into existence.60300:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,280And I want to personallycongratulate the founding60400:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,790members for publishing thismonumental task, which has been60500:35:02,790 --> 00:35:07,170tried many times in the past,but they never had the fighters60600:35:07,170 --> 00:35:10,800on the front line, warriorsarmed with scissors and gaffer60700:35:10,800 --> 00:35:19,500tape. I'm glad I'm making youlaugh. So the product, the60800:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,330podcast, Standards Project, itsgoals, as I understand them,60900:35:24,900 --> 00:35:29,970will help bring peace to theopen podcast ecosystem. It also61000:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,510is critical when it comes toconflict, give big tech away61100:35:33,510 --> 00:35:37,320out, not capitulation, but theycan participate participation.61200:35:38,130 --> 00:35:43,020So recently, the big techpodcast Industrial Complex has61300:35:43,020 --> 00:35:46,410been somewhat crippled by acyclical soft advertising market61400:35:46,410 --> 00:35:49,800and a very unattractiveinvestment climate, imagine how61500:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,270much value they can participatein and create if they adopt61600:35:54,720 --> 00:36:00,120pieces of a namespace. Now inevery society, we have military61700:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,300and diplomats, right, it's twosides of the same coin. Now,61800:36:03,300 --> 00:36:06,030typically, the diplomats andpoliticians, they fund the61900:36:06,030 --> 00:36:10,770military, we are flipping thatscript. And to kickstart it, I62000:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,310personally am going to add asplit in every value block I62100:36:14,310 --> 00:36:18,780control to help fund ourdiplomatic front, because no62200:36:18,780 --> 00:36:21,120one's talking about how they'regoing to fund what they need to62300:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,840do. And that way, we can alsoavoid power struggles and62400:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,700corruption. And if everyone whouses value for value puts a 1%62500:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,270split for the for the projectstandards, for the podcast62600:36:33,270 --> 00:36:36,450Standards Project, I think itwill really make a difference.62700:36:36,450 --> 00:36:38,850As soon as they have a walletset up or added to all my feeds,62800:36:38,940 --> 00:36:42,390I'll promote it to other peopleto do it as well. I am now62900:36:43,470 --> 00:36:46,980understanding what we have here,which is a totally different63000:36:46,980 --> 00:36:51,030from the traditional world. Whenyou have the military and you63100:36:51,030 --> 00:36:53,460have the diplomats onpolitician. I'm excited about63200:36:53,460 --> 00:36:56,880the future of pot openpodcasting. I welcome our new63300:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,940brothers in arms. I think it'sgonna be fantastic.63400:37:00,210 --> 00:37:04,800Dave Jones: You are proposing ais a version of like the NDA.63500:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,640But for your defenseauthorization?63600:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,150Adam Curry: Well, here's reallyhow I was looking at it, like,63700:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,320yes, Ukraine and Russia andalong comes China. And she is63800:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,780like, hey, that would havestopped this war. But I didn't63900:37:21,780 --> 00:37:24,780like the idea of calling anybodyChina, Ukraine or Russia. So I64000:37:24,780 --> 00:37:30,810left all of that. But yeah, sobut instead of the politicians64100:37:31,140 --> 00:37:35,940funding the NDA and slipping inall kinds of bull crap, we64200:37:35,940 --> 00:37:38,730flipped it around the people onthe front line, like, Okay,64300:37:39,030 --> 00:37:42,690we've we have value coming in,we're gonna pass I am I hope we64400:37:42,690 --> 00:37:45,060get other people to do it, Iwant to pass off some of that64500:37:45,060 --> 00:37:49,500value to the politicians whowill need this, they will need64600:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,370some kind of funding for things.It's small right now. But you64700:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,790know, it, everyone can see it.It'll be open, it'll be clear.64800:37:57,180 --> 00:37:58,740You know, it doesn't have tocome. We don't have to go64900:37:58,740 --> 00:38:01,410sucking off some big techcompany will be able to fund65000:38:01,410 --> 00:38:04,500their own little initiatives.And maybe they say, hey, hey,65100:38:04,530 --> 00:38:07,500fighters, you guys got any more?We want to do something. We need65200:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,690some more. I'll be the first oneto step up.65300:38:11,370 --> 00:38:16,710Dave Jones: As I see this, and Idon't know, I don't know if this65400:38:16,710 --> 00:38:20,880is what they intended. But Ithink this is what they are one65500:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,980of their missions, is not juststandardization, but advocacy.65600:38:25,980 --> 00:38:28,110Yes. Oh, yeah. To myunderstanding that right,65700:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,810Adam Curry: I believe so. Yes, Ibelieve so. Well,65800:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,040Dave Jones: I was gonna give myanalogy but you I mean, yours is65900:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,700like, so over the top and blewme out of the water. I mean,66000:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,480look, I like likes, likefollowing Dave Chappelle. I66100:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,580Adam Curry: can't really dothis. I would very much like to66200:38:44,580 --> 00:38:46,380hear your analogy. Well, I66300:38:46,380 --> 00:38:51,720Dave Jones: mean, my, my analogyis more along the lines of on66400:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,260the on the email side of things,the the IMAP thing that's a good66500:38:55,290 --> 00:38:58,770that's that's that's prettygood. That to me, the better.66600:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,710The better analogy here is onthe email side of things. Is66700:39:04,740 --> 00:39:08,370HTML email. Every marketersworst?66800:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,070Adam Curry: Very good point.Very good point.66900:39:11,640 --> 00:39:18,180Dave Jones: Every there everyemail app supports a subset of67000:39:18,210 --> 00:39:24,000HTML tags and attributes. Everyone of them are different. In67100:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,900fact, don't you literally theirservices that will literally pay67200:39:28,050 --> 00:39:31,680to show you how your email looksdifferent in every single app.67300:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200Adam Curry: I believe that'seven one of the first things67400:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,320they put into their into theStandards Project is how you do67500:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,870HTML in the in the podcast feed.67600:39:40,860 --> 00:39:45,510Dave Jones: Yeah, so currently,currently, I wouldn't looked so67700:39:45,510 --> 00:39:49,170right now if somebody wants toknow how to properly format67800:39:49,170 --> 00:39:52,140their show notes. Like if youhave a, let's just say a new67900:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,860hosting company or a podcast orsomething. And they just or you68000:39:55,860 --> 00:39:59,370know, whoever and they just wantto know okay, what is the right68100:39:59,370 --> 00:40:05,490way to form mesh show notes. Youliterally have to go. The pretty68200:40:05,490 --> 00:40:10,020much authoritative answer is anamalgamation of two are68300:40:10,050 --> 00:40:15,150different articles on pod news.How podcast one is titled How68400:40:15,150 --> 00:40:18,480podcast show notes display inpodcast apps. The other one is68500:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,780titled, How to Make Your episodenotes work in all podcast68600:40:21,780 --> 00:40:25,290players. I mean, James is agreat guy. No, but I don't I68700:40:25,290 --> 00:40:26,010mean, like,68800:40:26,250 --> 00:40:28,890Adam Curry: that's no place togo. That's not no shouldn't be68900:40:28,890 --> 00:40:30,030the place to go. Right?69000:40:30,180 --> 00:40:34,710Dave Jones: This is silly. Imean, there should be in like69100:40:34,710 --> 00:40:40,710something just taking thatanalogy. How should I format my69200:40:40,710 --> 00:40:43,980show notes to make them displaycorrectly? How should blink be?69300:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,910How long should they be so thatthings don't get cut off? So you69400:40:47,910 --> 00:40:53,460take all of those things, youcan design the base standard, so69500:40:53,460 --> 00:40:58,080that it covers all of thedifferent podcast apps, so that69600:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,980the podcast apps themselvesdon't actually have to change?69700:41:02,370 --> 00:41:05,670Right? You can say you can say,okay, the the podcast app,69800:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,630there's,69900:41:07,350 --> 00:41:09,450Adam Curry: the hostingcompanies would presumably take70000:41:09,450 --> 00:41:11,790care of that. And they'd hideall the things we're talking70100:41:11,790 --> 00:41:13,650about behind their UI.70200:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,280Dave Jones: Sure, sure. But thenthe pup, but the published spec70300:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,220has to be somewhere. Yes. Oh,no, it's not70400:41:20,220 --> 00:41:21,990Adam Curry: anywhere. Exactly.And70500:41:21,990 --> 00:41:25,590Dave Jones: it Yeah, no, go.Yeah. And it, we'll see what70600:41:25,590 --> 00:41:29,610else it like. So you could sayand I think this is, I think70700:41:29,610 --> 00:41:34,770this is important to the podcastStandards Project. Ethos, is70800:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,280let's just say that in this isactually the case. But let's say70900:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,570that you have, you know, 10different podcast apps, and71000:41:42,690 --> 00:41:47,790three of them support up to 4000characters in the show notes.71100:41:48,210 --> 00:41:52,950Five of them support up to 3200,blah, blah, blah. So what you do71200:41:52,950 --> 00:41:57,030is you just take the one, that'sthe that's the lowest. And you71300:41:57,030 --> 00:42:00,750build your standard around that.That covers Everybody see what71400:42:00,750 --> 00:42:04,740I'm saying? Yeah, you're doingit in such a way to where the71500:42:04,770 --> 00:42:08,580pot the standard is, you onlyhave it this long, because then71600:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,280Adam Curry: no one works foreverybody. No one has to change71700:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,260anything. Exactly. Right. So71800:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,210Dave Jones: I think I think thatI guess what I'm trying to say71900:42:15,210 --> 00:42:18,990is that I think that thepodcast, Anders project, can72000:42:18,990 --> 00:42:24,480design a whole bunch of out ofthe box, sort of standard doc72100:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,590standardize document72200:42:25,620 --> 00:42:27,720Adam Curry: that are good to go.If you take if you take that72300:42:27,750 --> 00:42:30,690that. Yeah, and the most common,72400:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,880Dave Jones: and they don't endup. They don't end up say,72500:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,400arguing the industry arguingWell, or saying, Hey, you72600:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,620podcast that developer, you gotto go change your craft to72700:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,060adhere to our stand. Right.72800:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,620Adam Curry: Right. Exactly.72900:42:46,620 --> 00:42:48,360Dave Jones: He's important. Goodpoint.73000:42:48,450 --> 00:42:49,260Adam Curry: Good point,73100:42:49,410 --> 00:42:51,480Dave Jones: because we alreadytold her heard Marcos, they I73200:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,040don't want people telling mewhat to do. Yeah.73300:42:54,180 --> 00:42:58,380Adam Curry: So anyway, so I'mthis, now that I understand73400:42:58,380 --> 00:43:03,090from, you know, from the bus,and I think, I don't want to say73500:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,280I know it, everyone's worked onthis. Look, for over a decade,73600:43:08,460 --> 00:43:13,830this has been tried and beat andjust always kind of resulted in73700:43:13,830 --> 00:43:16,440the same thing. And that'sbecause they didn't have73800:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,900fighters in the form on thefront line. And we just went out73900:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,090said, Okay, we're gonna go kicksome ass over here. And we're74000:43:21,090 --> 00:43:24,960doing this, and we're buildingour own our own apps, and we're74100:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,800gonna do what we want to do. Andnow it's perfect time to have to74200:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,140have this come in. And thenhopefully, remember, content is74300:43:34,170 --> 00:43:37,770is the most powerful weapon wehave, if you have an entire74400:43:38,550 --> 00:43:41,850collection, which we already do.But let's expand that even more74500:43:42,270 --> 00:43:46,830of the hosting companies andapps that are producing content.74600:43:47,190 --> 00:43:50,070And that is, ultimately, let'smake no mistake, the goal has74700:43:50,070 --> 00:43:54,210always been for people to say,Hey, Apple, Spotify, can you74800:43:54,210 --> 00:44:00,060want to play nice, that's alwaysbeen the goal. So there's now a74900:44:00,060 --> 00:44:02,580standardized way to say, here'swhat you should do and look at75000:44:02,580 --> 00:44:06,270all this content. You're crazy,because, okay, it's 1% now,75100:44:06,750 --> 00:44:12,360well, maybe 2%. But for someshows, you know, 10% like, no75200:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,850agenda has 10% of the listenerson apps is pod verse. That's75300:44:17,850 --> 00:44:23,880pretty big. Yeah. Consideringthe size of the show. So is it75400:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,680that high? No. But yeah,Spurlock sent me that grace from75500:44:28,710 --> 00:44:32,160another another great thing, youknow, we have real numbers that75600:44:32,940 --> 00:44:37,380at least we all have the samenumber. Like, it doesn't matter75700:44:37,380 --> 00:44:40,470how accurate it is necessarily,but we have the same number and75800:44:40,470 --> 00:44:44,280we can all look at it on anequal basis. This is this is75900:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,510truly beautiful, and I only wantto contribute to making it work.76000:44:49,110 --> 00:44:53,160And I'm quite sure that that wecan there's always going to be76100:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,220bumps and hurdles and stuff likethat. And nothing changes for76200:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,370us. We keep running withscissors and doing our thing. I76300:44:59,370 --> 00:45:03,960mean, we're already readingverses in our head. And that76400:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,040will happen but I also trulythink, you know, I had a chat76500:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,150with Steve Leeds. He has aremind me who that is. Steve76600:45:12,150 --> 00:45:15,510Leeds is actually the guy whocalled me when I was in Holland76700:45:15,540 --> 00:45:20,280in 1986 and said, Hey, Steveleaves a want to come work for76800:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,810MTV. I said in New York, hesaid, Yeah, yeah, okay. Sure.76900:45:26,550 --> 00:45:31,020And, and I was like, four monthslater, I was in Manhattan, and I77000:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,530was getting ready to do MTV,which I was there for seven,77100:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,820seven years. Steve isn't hasbeen in the music business for77200:45:38,820 --> 00:45:43,860all of us. He's now in his early70s. And Steve, he goes, he was77300:45:43,860 --> 00:45:46,800the a&r guy for Led Zeppelin. Ifthat gives you a little bit of77400:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,180an idea how far back Steve goes.And he has these contacts. Steve77500:45:51,180 --> 00:45:55,320is the guy to be say, Steve,this old colleague of mine,77600:45:56,010 --> 00:46:01,290Julia, she's in Ireland and shereally would love to see if she77700:46:01,290 --> 00:46:03,780can you know, it's been hard forher to get tickets to see you to77800:46:03,780 --> 00:46:06,600shoot a huge YouTube fan. Canyou hook her up anyway she's77900:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480willing to pay for and whathappens and as Steve puts in the78000:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,870call, she doesn't get ticketsnow. She gets the full on come78100:46:12,870 --> 00:46:16,110to the office, which is a hugewarehouse they have in Dublin78200:46:16,710 --> 00:46:20,880gets to see all the sets for thewhat was the youth the TV tour,78300:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,270whatever that one was, yeah,this new TV takes us through78400:46:24,270 --> 00:46:27,570ever. You get to meet everybodygets free tickets, backstage78500:46:27,570 --> 00:46:31,560passes gets shuttled with alimo. That's what's that Steve78600:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,010leads is connections that'sdirectly from the guy the78700:46:35,010 --> 00:46:43,860manager. And he was at Sirius XMfor the past 18 years. He built78800:46:44,430 --> 00:46:50,190a huge talent artistsrelationship. department within78900:46:50,190 --> 00:46:55,140Sirius XM. Just like everybodyelse, Sirius XM was firing79000:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,500people. Hey, is an old whiteguy. Let's get rid of him. So79100:46:59,130 --> 00:47:04,380Steve gets canned. And, and it'sinteresting because I get a call79200:47:04,380 --> 00:47:12,840from him from a command. What'shis name? The bird. I got a call79300:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,690from a bird. Roger McQuinn.Roger McQueen calls me Do you79400:47:18,690 --> 00:47:19,410know the birds?79500:47:20,340 --> 00:47:21,300Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.79600:47:23,370 --> 00:47:25,470Adam Curry: The guy with the youknow, who had the extra string79700:47:25,470 --> 00:47:30,210on his guitar? With a sevenstring guitar. Nice. Crazy. So79800:47:30,210 --> 00:47:33,600McGuane calls me says dude,Steve got got cans of serious.79900:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,590Oh, shoot. I'm gonna give him acall. So I call and Steve's80000:47:37,590 --> 00:47:41,160fine. It actually his wifepassed away a year ago.80100:47:41,190 --> 00:47:46,800Horrible. Ms. Like a horriblelengthy says. But he's but no,80200:47:47,430 --> 00:47:51,360actually two years ago. But he'shad a girlfriend now she's age80300:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,600appropriate. She's 66 You know,the going down to the shore.80400:47:54,630 --> 00:47:59,640He's happy has he has money. Butenough, but he's a guy who needs80500:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,280to work. You know, he's likethis guy. You know, he can't80600:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,110just sit on his ass. He's notnot dead.80700:48:04,140 --> 00:48:08,160Dave Jones: Fully. Ageappropriate girlfriend. Yeah,80800:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,150that's that's important.80900:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,650Adam Curry: Of course. And so.And I'm talking he's like, and81000:48:13,650 --> 00:48:17,640he's like, No, I just, I can'treally bring myself the music81100:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,510business is so broken. It's somessed up. Mr. Steve, let me81200:48:21,510 --> 00:48:24,030tell you what we're doing. SoI'm telling this stuff. He's81300:48:24,030 --> 00:48:28,860like, Oh, holy crap. And then hestarts telling me about the81400:48:28,860 --> 00:48:34,260business. He's like, it is sobroken. He says Spotify will81500:48:34,260 --> 00:48:39,750never ever, ever make any money.The way the fees are structured81600:48:39,750 --> 00:48:43,440with the record companies.They'll never even break even.81700:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,580It's impossible. That's why theywent all in on podcasting. And81800:48:47,580 --> 00:48:51,000he said to be to his credit, hesaid, you know, Sirius XM or81900:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,320iHeart? Whoever was they? Theybought like Tim Coco. He says,82000:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,730yes, your wolf or whatever,faster spent, like $75 million82100:49:00,180 --> 00:49:02,040for like repeats. He says, Whogives a shit?82200:49:03,870 --> 00:49:04,710Dave Jones: That's bad.82300:49:04,740 --> 00:49:06,300Adam Curry: He says, Who gives ashit about all that stuff?82400:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,460Because I don't know. I don'tknow where the value is. I don't82500:49:08,460 --> 00:49:12,360get it. And so we're talkingabout this. I'm like, you know,82600:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,090what an awkward and it's I'mtrying to pull them over. I'm82700:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,090like, Dude, can you maybe thisis something that you can help82800:49:18,090 --> 00:49:22,800bands with it because he knowseverybody, everything even you82900:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,280know, especially radio. I mean,he knows radio really well. But83000:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,650he knows everybody ineverything. He knows where all83100:49:28,650 --> 00:49:31,620that just he knows where all theburied. The bodies are buried,83200:49:31,620 --> 00:49:34,080but knows all the opportunities.I'm trying to get him to be a83300:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,010consultant or something to workwith. Yeah, with 2.0 bands, you83400:49:38,010 --> 00:49:40,830know? So I sent them a wholebunch of links, and I'll follow83500:49:40,830 --> 00:49:43,500up with them. But it was reallyinteresting to hear that this83600:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,500guy who knows everybody in theindustry doesn't even want to do83700:49:46,500 --> 00:49:51,420anything in the industry that hecomes from. He says so shit. And83800:49:51,420 --> 00:49:55,020it's just it's broken. But hegot really excited about what83900:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,590we're doing and how it wouldwork. So I'm just putting that84000:49:58,590 --> 00:50:01,080out there and then you know inNo two years, we'll have our84100:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,180interview with the WaveLightguys, and we'll be able to talk84200:50:03,180 --> 00:50:03,390about84300:50:05,460 --> 00:50:09,420Dave Jones: the, I don't know ifyou've noticed this kind of out84400:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,870of subscribe to, in my freemicellar I just grab this84500:50:12,870 --> 00:50:17,610subscribe to, I don't know, somemusic, business thing, music,84600:50:17,610 --> 00:50:20,970business feed or whatever. Andit's just now it's become just84700:50:20,970 --> 00:50:25,020this, the music industry has nowbecome like a trading desk, of84800:50:25,020 --> 00:50:30,900all of the like, like there's noreally great powerful music84900:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,950coming out anymore. It'stimeless. Everything is just a85000:50:34,950 --> 00:50:38,640product of it's sort of veryquick and85100:50:40,260 --> 00:50:42,930Adam Curry: most format life hasbecome really fought the hips85200:50:42,930 --> 00:50:45,540have become very formatted theWriting teams, you know, they're85300:50:45,540 --> 00:50:49,170all from Sweden, they all comein with seven writers, you know,85400:50:49,170 --> 00:50:52,500it's like it's all split up. Andthen it just goes into the big85500:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,160bad void. I think personally,I've dealt with BMI but ASCAP,85600:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,960BMI, or big black boxes, youknow, you you your stuff gets85700:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,280sold and play or played in thatcase. You know, 48 months later,85800:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,920a penny drops out, you know,where's the rest? You got to85900:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,080always Sue everybody. You know?86000:51:10,830 --> 00:51:13,770Dave Jones: MPP says, Oh, it allfeels disposable. Yeah, it feels86100:51:14,940 --> 00:51:17,910totally dispensing you take thatagain, you know, I was were86200:51:17,970 --> 00:51:21,330talking to him before the show.Listen to some tunes. And I was86300:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,140talking about Jerry Reed. Andlike, I can say this about Jerry86400:51:25,140 --> 00:51:31,260Reed, that guy can eat the fretsoff a guitar. I mean, like,86500:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,800like, I mean, he can just tearup a guitar. And I'm like, you86600:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,010can't really say that aboutpeople today. Like those kinds86700:51:41,010 --> 00:51:44,970of phrases. The musical, themusic is not timeless, but you86800:51:44,970 --> 00:51:50,970do have this timeless that youhave a catalogue of timeless86900:51:51,420 --> 00:51:56,640music that has character. And ithas and it's powerful. And so87000:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,300what the music business is seemsto be doing now is they have87100:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,620their disposable Tiktok tunes.And then they have this, these87200:52:04,620 --> 00:52:07,980various catalogs of old musicthat people actually go back and87300:52:07,980 --> 00:52:12,330listen to all the time. And theyin is become sort of just a87400:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,600trading desk where they just gotrights from each other. Right?87500:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,200Yes.87600:52:16,470 --> 00:52:19,740Adam Curry: So the rights here,so the rights there, you also87700:52:19,740 --> 00:52:22,740sell the rights to tick tocksell the rights to YouTube. So87800:52:22,770 --> 00:52:27,180you know, and the artists, thesmart ones who've been around87900:52:27,180 --> 00:52:30,900long enough, but here's my $20million payday, I'm gonna sell88000:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,510my catalog the whole thing, yougo and market it and hoard out88100:52:33,510 --> 00:52:34,290whoever you want.88200:52:34,620 --> 00:52:37,830Dave Jones: Yeah, but it's like,it's like the office. It's like88300:52:37,830 --> 00:52:40,110that show the office. Everybodyjust keeps trading that thing88400:52:40,110 --> 00:52:44,910around and whoever's the mostrecent buyer of the REITs and it88500:52:44,910 --> 00:52:50,070just makes me think that that'sit. That's all it is. Now, we88600:52:50,100 --> 00:52:54,030there's no fixing it until youput it back in the hands of the88700:52:54,030 --> 00:52:54,480people.88800:52:54,630 --> 00:52:57,180Adam Curry: Well, we needed anew way of packaging a new way88900:52:57,180 --> 00:53:01,230of selling something that'soutside of the model. Just like89000:53:01,230 --> 00:53:03,930podcasting, which you know,radio went through the same, the89100:53:03,930 --> 00:53:08,430same cycle, I mean, radio hasbecome completely homogenized.89200:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,140It's 20 minutes of commercialsper hour. It all comes out of89300:53:13,140 --> 00:53:17,760Gillette or some of these otherplayout systems DJs are just I89400:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,200mean, shoot, we got the chat GPTDJs eventually in Oh, that's89500:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,010cheaper. Just shut up. Read theliner card. I mean, I come from89600:53:26,010 --> 00:53:29,850a place where I used to pick thesongs I think about my show Oh,89700:53:29,850 --> 00:53:31,680it's just kind of weather todayI'm gonna play bill where89800:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,720there's lovely day, you know, orwhatever. That is all gone long,89900:53:36,720 --> 00:53:40,770long, long gone. And podcastinghas brought that back now90000:53:40,770 --> 00:53:45,090because of the licensing regimethat we've always had. You know,90100:53:45,090 --> 00:53:48,510I technically I legally cannotplay bill with this lovely day90200:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,410on the podcast for a whole bunchof reasons and please don't90300:53:52,410 --> 00:53:55,920convince me otherwise not true.You can if you have a radio90400:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,680station you'd have a stream Imean there's they made it so the90500:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,130old guy the old guard couldstill could still use the90600:54:02,130 --> 00:54:06,120internet in that in that way.But I want to play you know90700:54:06,150 --> 00:54:09,570stuff I want to play somethingfrom wave like I want to play it90800:54:09,570 --> 00:54:11,820all from waves I want to playfrom SoundCloud I want to play90900:54:11,820 --> 00:54:15,360it from from a dystopia I want Iwant to do interviews I want to91000:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,240make sure that they when theycome on my show that the remote91100:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,230item gets the whole band andeveryone paid with splits and I91200:54:22,230 --> 00:54:24,630want it offline over the placeand I want people I want to do91300:54:24,630 --> 00:54:32,700it live we do live you know i ihunkered for that. And I know91400:54:32,700 --> 00:54:38,040that we can recreate this wholebusiness overnight, particularly91500:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,300with the lit stuff. I can I cansmell it almost91600:54:44,970 --> 00:54:48,120Dave Jones: as this is a goodquote. You posted that Vanity91700:54:48,120 --> 00:54:53,610Fair article. Pretty good. dumbmoney is gone.91800:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,250Adam Curry: Yeah, it got somepoint some valid pushback.91900:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,710Actually it was I think Spurlockmade me laugh the loudest. So92000:55:01,710 --> 00:55:09,810the title of the article inVanity Fair is on a second. The92100:55:09,810 --> 00:55:14,880title is the dumb money is goneis the podcast boom going bust.92200:55:15,690 --> 00:55:19,890And Spurlock replies, the dumbmoney isn't truly gone until92300:55:19,890 --> 00:55:25,890Vanity Fair stops writing aboveaverage good. That was pretty92400:55:25,890 --> 00:55:26,370good.92500:55:26,790 --> 00:55:30,900Dave Jones: Okay, that's a goodpoint. By the end of that92600:55:30,900 --> 00:55:36,810article, I thought it was Ithought it was was good and92700:55:36,930 --> 00:55:42,750depressing at the same time. Hesays, I want to see I think, I92800:55:42,750 --> 00:55:47,520wanted Heidegger's hadHeidegger, I had decanters, I92900:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,070don't know how to pronounce hisname. I wanted his thoughts as93000:55:50,070 --> 00:55:52,920someone who had just launched apodcast company at the very93100:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,260moment, when it's starting tofeel like maybe the party's93200:55:55,260 --> 00:55:59,220over. Quote, I think it's bleakright now for a lot of people in93300:55:59,220 --> 00:56:02,940podcasting, podcasting, he said,and it's really unfortunate that93400:56:02,940 --> 00:56:06,300so many people have lost theirjobs. But at the same time,93500:56:06,330 --> 00:56:09,450there were a lot of, there was alot of commissioning of mediocre93600:56:09,450 --> 00:56:13,110content, in places have reallybeen reluctant, reluctant to cut93700:56:13,110 --> 00:56:17,610things. I do think that twoyears from now, the advertising93800:56:17,610 --> 00:56:21,450is advertising is going to comein, and they're going to be93900:56:21,450 --> 00:56:26,580better ways to target audiences,the companies that can build in94000:56:26,580 --> 00:56:31,320these two years will be will besuccessful in the end. Right? I94100:56:31,320 --> 00:56:38,820think that is the mostdelusional thing. Well, there's94200:56:38,820 --> 00:56:41,940gonna be two, it's like, theadvertising is gonna come back94300:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,840in two years. And in that time,and by then we will have better94400:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,980ways to target people. No, youwon't. All the ways to target94500:56:49,980 --> 00:56:52,770people that exist have beenpretty already exists,94600:56:52,950 --> 00:56:55,650Adam Curry: pretty much beenbeen hollowed out all the way.94700:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,230Dave Jones: You can't, it's youcan't conceive of a way to94800:57:01,230 --> 00:57:05,070target people that doesn'talready exist, right? But,94900:57:05,340 --> 00:57:09,960Adam Curry: but also, it doesn'tfix the core problem. The value95000:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,950flow, everyone has to benefit.You can't We can't go back and95100:57:13,950 --> 00:57:18,150say, All right, podcasts havethe right, you've got money.95200:57:18,150 --> 00:57:21,990Again, we've got ads running,but no one else in the system95300:57:21,990 --> 00:57:27,330gets some of that value. And Iwant to really, we need95400:57:27,330 --> 00:57:30,210marketing and advertising in ourlife. No doubt about it. You95500:57:30,210 --> 00:57:34,140need to be able to find outabout products and services. But95600:57:34,140 --> 00:57:39,930that homogenized system of veilsand filling slots is boring is95700:57:39,930 --> 00:57:43,860boring to me. I think it'sboring, the audience's I hear95800:57:43,890 --> 00:57:46,620people complaining about it.People tune it out. They try to95900:57:46,620 --> 00:57:53,370ignore it, I think in show youknow, kind of like endorse96000:57:53,370 --> 00:57:57,000endorsements, paid endorsementsis fine as appropriate. I love96100:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,690bridesmaids magazine, becauseyou get great ads in there for96200:58:00,690 --> 00:58:05,010wedding dresses for DJs forvenues. That makes total sense.96300:58:06,300 --> 00:58:14,280Did you just crumble up $100bill out of a barn. So there's96400:58:14,280 --> 00:58:19,020plenty of things to do. But Ithink the timeline two years is96500:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,270probably appropriate. But it'snot going to be what they're96600:58:21,270 --> 00:58:25,350thinking. I think I think thisis our moment. This is where we96700:58:25,350 --> 00:58:32,340strike. This is where we go allin. And especially with new96800:58:32,370 --> 00:58:37,980music will really, really reallymake a big difference.96900:58:40,020 --> 00:58:43,470Dave Jones: Yeah, and we havebeen working on I've been97000:58:43,470 --> 00:58:49,920talking to Alex a little bitprivately, about, about what to97100:58:49,920 --> 00:58:57,330do with channels. And we just wediscussed OPML versus RSS,97200:58:57,750 --> 00:59:00,870primarily around how it's gonnarelate to pod pink. But by the97300:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,800way, pod ping dystopias comingon board with POD ping, nice.97400:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,560We've got you know, red circlecame on board with POD pain. We97500:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,690have another host that I wasasked not to talk about this a97600:59:15,690 --> 00:59:17,820large host is going to come onpod being I think he's just97700:59:17,820 --> 00:59:21,390because they want to do theirown press release and stuff. So97800:59:21,390 --> 00:59:27,690I mean, pod pod ping is becominga it's it is widely adopted now97900:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,890that I think I think it's fairto say that it is becoming98000:59:31,890 --> 00:59:36,990widely adopted. Yeah.Completely. Yeah. So that that98100:59:37,530 --> 00:59:44,550having that as a resource, thismessaging system for events98200:59:44,820 --> 00:59:51,060within podcasting is so nice. Somy quit at some odd you know,98300:59:51,060 --> 00:59:57,300questioning to, to Alex was, youknow, how, what do we what98400:59:57,300 --> 01:00:01,140should we do? Should we do RSSor do OPML for for or for98501:00:01,140 --> 01:00:05,970channels. And because, you know,this directly relates to music98601:00:05,970 --> 01:00:07,920in law, I mean, lots of stuffand because you know, your98701:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,280channel can be, you know, for aparticular artist or whatever.98801:00:12,750 --> 01:00:15,900And he was like, Well, you know,if we're gonna pod ping this, it98901:00:15,900 --> 01:00:21,630really has to be RSS, because wedon't have, we don't have a99001:00:21,630 --> 01:00:27,870mechanism within pod paying todenote different MIME types.99101:00:28,260 --> 01:00:31,170Basically, everything.Everything is a default99201:00:31,170 --> 01:00:37,080assumption of application RSS,right? And if we're going to be99301:00:37,170 --> 01:00:40,800putting in something else, it'sjust a OPML, JSON, whatever, it99401:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,800really has to be a you have tohave some way to tell people,99501:00:44,130 --> 01:00:46,920this thing that you're about toconsume is this type of thing.99601:00:48,270 --> 01:00:48,840And so99701:00:49,770 --> 01:00:51,960Adam Curry: well, you know, weneed I'll just say it right now.99801:00:52,560 --> 01:00:59,730We need an MPSP. Musicpodcasting Standards Project.99901:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,260I'm not kidding. I'm not gonnayou need, you need the same100001:01:04,260 --> 01:01:07,470thing. And it actually solves alot of problems. Because it's100101:01:07,470 --> 01:01:07,800very100201:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,460Dave Jones: serious.100301:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,470Adam Curry: I'm very serious.Thanks for thinking I'm always i100401:01:13,470 --> 01:01:13,770That's100501:01:14,340 --> 01:01:17,250Dave Jones: a no, no, no, no,you said, I mean, like podcast,100601:01:17,430 --> 01:01:19,980podcast, Anders project, andthen a music podcast. And100701:01:20,580 --> 01:01:23,520Adam Curry: the reason they canbe part of the, you know, it's a100801:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,780subgroup or whatever it is, butinstead of having to explain to100901:01:27,780 --> 01:01:31,620people how you shoehorn musicinto the podcast, namespace,101001:01:31,650 --> 01:01:34,950etc. Yeah, you just have a groupthat says, Oh, you're a101101:01:34,950 --> 01:01:39,000musician. Here's how you do it.Here's how it works. Here's the101201:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,760minimum that you're a hostingcompany that wants to you you101301:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,290have a music community. Here'swhat you need to do here. And by101401:01:46,290 --> 01:01:49,830the way, that should be thewavelength guys and and, and101501:01:49,830 --> 01:01:53,940dystopia, etc. And maybe getSoundCloud if you're lucky. It's101601:01:53,940 --> 01:01:56,700the same thing. And that willactually make it a lot easier101701:01:57,060 --> 01:02:00,360than having to explain, reexplain everything. Do you know101801:02:00,360 --> 01:02:00,900what I mean?101901:02:01,650 --> 01:02:03,540Dave Jones: Yeah, and I didn'tknow what you mean. Because102001:02:03,570 --> 01:02:07,290yeah, that's a good point.Because you have sort of the102101:02:07,290 --> 01:02:12,690podcast, let's just say, youknow, Kevin and Tom and Todd102201:02:12,690 --> 01:02:18,390and, and Mike Caden and AKs guysand transistor and all these102301:02:18,690 --> 01:02:23,250these hosting companies, they'retheir podcast no focused she102401:02:23,250 --> 01:02:26,340really Debbie they I don't knowthat they have the bandwidth or102501:02:26,340 --> 01:02:28,710the or the will but I fight and102601:02:28,740 --> 01:02:32,490Adam Curry: nominate, nominateSteven b No, he's he he102701:02:32,490 --> 01:02:35,460understands already he's weighedin you know put blueberry in102801:02:35,460 --> 01:02:40,560there and and who all who wasput off put some music guys in102901:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,340there. You need to obfuscate allthe all the all the technical103001:02:44,340 --> 01:02:48,090stuff push that day and then andthose in those two groups103101:02:48,090 --> 01:02:51,060coordinate and we just keeprunning with scissors and103201:02:51,060 --> 01:02:52,620creating cool shit that works103301:02:53,130 --> 01:02:55,830Dave Jones: well they could ifif a podcast standards103401:02:57,870 --> 01:02:58,860subcommittee103501:03:00,990 --> 01:03:02,100Adam Curry: steering committee103601:03:06,810 --> 01:03:09,660Dave Jones: the steeringcommittee if the steering is the103701:03:09,660 --> 01:03:15,120podcast music standard steeringcommittee wants to you know form103801:03:15,150 --> 01:03:20,040this this document this is okayfor a track is this yes a103901:03:20,460 --> 01:03:23,850channel is here's here's how youdo it. Yeah, well then that104001:03:23,850 --> 01:03:27,030could be that could be somethingthat the podcast standard104101:03:27,030 --> 01:03:33,150project could adopt. Yeah. As aas a proposal as or as you know104201:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,350a here but how about this? Iwill give a will I will donate104301:03:37,380 --> 01:03:41,610to the podcast Android projectthe pimp denomination system104401:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,520Whoa that we never actually use104501:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,770Adam Curry: know that fullyformed easy to give away.104601:03:47,580 --> 01:03:52,080Dave Jones: Yes. That's right.Yeah. Yeah. So we will give we104701:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,180will officially give thepodcaster Android project if104801:03:54,180 --> 01:03:56,010they want it we will give thempimps.104901:03:56,700 --> 01:04:02,220Adam Curry: Perfect. That isvery excited. We have all the105001:04:02,220 --> 01:04:06,270pieces we really we have so manypiece Abel Kirby put him make.105101:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,650And by the way, we need tosomewhere in here in we are for105201:04:10,650 --> 01:04:13,680the lit crew, which is which iseventually going to be a part of105301:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,960the podcast Standards Project.I'm sure you know, we need the105401:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,100IRC wizards. You know, look atit, look at all this great105501:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,580stuff. I mean, I personallythink every hosting company105601:04:26,580 --> 01:04:31,770should have their own IRC lipserver, with ISO bot and all105701:04:31,770 --> 01:04:34,950these crazy things. I mean, it'samazing what they've got going105801:04:34,950 --> 01:04:38,340on, you know, the boost bot.This these are all super105901:04:38,340 --> 01:04:42,300enhancements that make the lipstuff just saying106001:04:44,190 --> 01:04:47,970Dave Jones: that hit the hit thenail we get a decent namespace106101:04:47,970 --> 01:04:49,110target to hit the thing.106201:04:50,340 --> 01:04:51,450Adam Curry: I'll be hitting thething.106301:04:53,610 --> 01:04:57,990Unknown: And now it's time forsome hot namespace talk.106401:04:57,990 --> 01:05:00,360Adam Curry: By the way, we havea you have a note on pod Casting106501:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,840next on social from Notre DameJennifer of the pimp DB who says106601:05:03,900 --> 01:05:10,440no. You were here shaking myhead.106701:05:11,249 --> 01:05:15,869Dave Jones: Oh, is that what SMHmeans? Yes. Okay. I've never106801:05:15,869 --> 01:05:22,589know what that means. Yeah. I'msorry. Damn, Jennifer. I deserve106901:05:22,589 --> 01:05:23,789every bit of that scorn107001:05:23,820 --> 01:05:25,500Adam Curry: kind of. Yeah.107101:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,880Dave Jones: The I forgot whyhidden while I wanted you107201:05:30,569 --> 01:05:32,579Adam Curry: to talk about thenamespace we were talking about,107301:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,389about the IRC, or the Bruce bot.107401:05:36,990 --> 01:05:42,870Dave Jones: Yeah, but I had aspecific one. I can't remember107501:05:42,870 --> 01:05:45,990what it was. Well, I've got I'vegot others back. Man. I can't107601:05:45,990 --> 01:05:46,560believe I dropped.107701:05:46,620 --> 01:05:48,900Adam Curry: Oh, hold on. Let meI'm gonna prove you are107801:05:48,900 --> 01:05:53,490remembering you are rememberingyou are remembering you are107901:05:53,490 --> 01:05:59,910Dave Jones: because I closed atask. Oh, I remember. Okay,108001:06:00,420 --> 01:06:06,240okay. The closed some. I'mtrying to be very careful about108101:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,440closing issues because last timethe first time I closed an108201:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,050issue, the French got furious.108301:06:14,490 --> 01:06:16,560Adam Curry: You started offriots in Paris.108401:06:16,919 --> 01:06:21,239Dave Jones: Yeah, guillotines,security came out. Yeah, yes. As108501:06:21,269 --> 01:06:25,409Benjamin Bellamy said, I do not.I said I quote, I closed the108601:06:25,409 --> 01:06:28,979issue. And I said, I'm closingthis is it looks like this is108701:06:28,979 --> 01:06:34,349resolved now. Posted says thisis not resolved. I was like,108801:06:35,220 --> 01:06:37,860Adam Curry: okay, withamericanas is not reserved?108901:06:38,430 --> 01:06:41,580Dave Jones: No, it was a clearlynot resolved. So I've been109001:06:41,580 --> 01:06:47,160trying to be very judiciousabout closing issues as they get109101:06:47,160 --> 01:06:54,180moved. So I've only closed afew. But the the one I did today109201:06:56,130 --> 01:07:02,040was about chat. And so Steven Bhad a long time ago. You know,109301:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,570he came up with this idea of109401:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,760Adam Curry: I saw this quotethis closed issue, by the way.109501:07:05,790 --> 01:07:07,890And I went in to look at it tounderstand what you had done.109601:07:07,890 --> 01:07:09,150Yes, I got it. Go ahead.109701:07:09,330 --> 01:07:12,570Dave Jones: Yeah, so like that.That's where this idea of a chat109801:07:12,600 --> 01:07:18,840attribute on the live item tagcame from? Haha. And so that109901:07:18,840 --> 01:07:24,690that's like, you know, it'salways it's always been, it110001:07:24,690 --> 01:07:28,020serves this purpose, but onlybut it's only to open up a web110101:07:28,020 --> 01:07:31,290UI. Because you have no, youhave no idea what this thing is.110201:07:31,620 --> 01:07:36,750I mean, this chat URL could be,it could be anything. So we110301:07:36,750 --> 01:07:41,190really need a formalized way todo chat. And I think it's110401:07:41,190 --> 01:07:45,900probably time to start buildingthat. So this part, you know, a110501:07:45,930 --> 01:07:51,000podcast, colon chat, tag, whatlike it needs to be, it needs to110601:07:51,000 --> 01:07:56,220be in the mix. So that it canspecify the protocols, I think,110701:07:56,940 --> 01:08:03,690most you know, it would need forthey would need to be an IRC.110801:08:06,060 --> 01:08:09,660There need to be an IRCdefinition in there, just110901:08:09,660 --> 01:08:13,920because so many podcasts alreadyuse IRC as their main thing. But111001:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,300as far as a new, you know, a newthing going forward XMPP makes111101:08:18,330 --> 01:08:23,880probably the most sense as achat protocol. So think like, I111201:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,190think it's time that so what Idid was I closed that issue111301:08:26,190 --> 01:08:30,690today. So that week two, andmade a note to myself to111401:08:30,690 --> 01:08:37,650propose, like get give a firstcrack at a at a chat, nice tag,111501:08:37,650 --> 01:08:40,050and it will be modeled after thesocial interact.111601:08:40,410 --> 01:08:42,510Adam Curry: Right? Yeah, that'swhat I saw you put in there.111701:08:42,510 --> 01:08:42,810Yeah.111801:08:43,559 --> 01:08:45,509Dave Jones: Yeah. Because Imean, this social interact is a111901:08:45,509 --> 01:08:49,439great is an elegant solution.It, you know, you define the112001:08:50,129 --> 01:08:53,249define some key attributes andthe protocol that you know, what112101:08:53,249 --> 01:08:56,219protocol is going to be andyou're good. I mean, it's very,112201:08:56,219 --> 01:08:59,399it's very simple, elegant way todo it. Nothing, that it just112301:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,489makes sense to have that as chatas well. And then, and then we112401:09:02,489 --> 01:09:09,389can tag on, you know, things ontop of that, for stuff like live112501:09:09,389 --> 01:09:12,659chat replay, you know, like thetime timestamping and that112601:09:12,659 --> 01:09:16,649kinda, yeah, you know, and thatdoesn't need to be necessarily112701:09:16,649 --> 01:09:21,509in the spec, like you, you know,that shouldn't be in any way112801:09:21,539 --> 01:09:25,649trying to be required, becausethat that can just be up to each112901:09:25,649 --> 01:09:28,049individual implementation ofwhether you want to do something113001:09:28,049 --> 01:09:32,069like that. But it can be donewhen you have something like113101:09:32,069 --> 01:09:35,519XMPP you've got those attributesin there that you can pull from113201:09:38,550 --> 01:09:41,250Adam Curry: me I just like thefact that we're doing a chat app113301:09:41,250 --> 01:09:43,740just as perfect. As perfect.Yeah.113401:09:44,190 --> 01:09:47,520Dave Jones: Yeah, there's, Imean, in a perfect world, you113501:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,640would you would say, you know,hey, IRC is not is not it's not113601:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,030great for lots of reasons. Andso you would go for with a new113701:09:57,030 --> 01:10:00,870one, but I'm not I don't know ifwe can because there's just113801:10:00,870 --> 01:10:04,500going to leave so many existingstuff behind. So I think we're113901:10:04,500 --> 01:10:09,120gonna have to support both. Butbut that's what the that's what114001:10:09,120 --> 01:10:15,660the discussion is for. Yes.What's the where's my Oh, yeah,114101:10:15,660 --> 01:10:21,180here it is. The other thing thatcame up and I had sort of had114201:10:21,180 --> 01:10:23,010forgotten about this114301:10:28,050 --> 01:10:33,900about not sending boosts boostmessages to certain parties in114401:10:33,900 --> 01:10:34,980the feast Blitz.114501:10:35,250 --> 01:10:37,140Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, I'm veryopinionated about that.114601:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,850Dave Jones: Okay, so let me layit out. So the idea there is114701:10:43,290 --> 01:10:50,730you, you have a bunch of peopleon your splits. And some of114801:10:50,730 --> 01:10:57,180them, specifically the fee basedproviders as just just them off114901:10:57,180 --> 01:11:03,480the top. You say, Okay, well,I'm paying for this service. I115001:11:03,480 --> 01:11:08,370don't want a do or do not wantthem to see the booster gram115101:11:08,370 --> 01:11:12,450messages. And so you there wouldbe an Andrew and additional115201:11:12,450 --> 01:11:16,800attribute on the value recipienttag added. The by default,115301:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,260everybody gets the message, butthen you could add on an115401:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,130attribute that says, you know,something like, No, you know,115501:11:23,790 --> 01:11:27,570booster gram equals no, orwhatever message equals no. And115601:11:27,570 --> 01:11:32,520to say, Okay, this, I don't, Idon't want the message being115701:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,690included in this specific split.So what is your opinion?115801:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,670Adam Curry: Well, obviously, ifthe default is everybody gets a115901:11:41,670 --> 01:11:45,630message. I'm okay with it. Ithink it's a very small set of116001:11:45,630 --> 01:11:49,440people who who think that'simportant. I have reversed my116101:11:49,440 --> 01:11:53,160opinion, I'm open to change. Ithought this all of this that116201:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,610fountain was doing initially,with the booster grams kind of116301:11:56,610 --> 01:11:59,580showing up a bit like comments.I thought that was bad. I116401:11:59,580 --> 01:12:04,050thought it would hurt us. Icompletely was wrong. I repent.116501:12:06,390 --> 01:12:12,180It is one of the most excitingfeatures. And no one no one that116601:12:12,180 --> 01:12:16,710I see interacting on fountaincertainly seems to have any116701:12:16,980 --> 01:12:20,610inkling that this is a privatemessage. I don't think I've ever116801:12:20,610 --> 01:12:23,250received a message that was soprivate that I would be116901:12:23,250 --> 01:12:26,610embarrassed, I wouldn't wantanyone to use it. So for me, we117001:12:26,610 --> 01:12:28,950can put it in. But I think it'soverkill. I don't think anyone117101:12:28,950 --> 01:12:32,520to use it. In fact, I think it'smuch more exciting to allow117201:12:34,440 --> 01:12:38,490precisely the apps to be able tosee it because I think the app117301:12:38,490 --> 01:12:43,410should be used. I want the appdevelopers to use my booster117401:12:43,410 --> 01:12:48,420grams in any way they see fit. Iwant them I want them to create117501:12:48,420 --> 01:12:53,160leaderboards and scrollingmessages. And you know, I've117601:12:53,160 --> 01:12:58,320really because of the the studyI've done of tick tock with117701:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,130what's going on with the youknow, with the legislation and117801:13:02,190 --> 01:13:05,190just in general, I've reallyanalyze what's going on. I even117901:13:05,190 --> 01:13:08,700loaded it for a bit on my phone.I did delete it, because it's so118001:13:08,700 --> 01:13:09,270addictive.118101:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,900Dave Jones: But you put ticktock on your phone. Oh, I118201:13:12,900 --> 01:13:14,790Adam Curry: did. I wasdangerous. Well, it's graphene118301:13:14,790 --> 01:13:20,310OS and it's kind of sandbox. Butas it came to tools, if we118401:13:20,310 --> 01:13:22,170talked about this two week,probably didn't talk about two118501:13:22,170 --> 01:13:26,400weeks ago. So I was just lookingat the tools that tick this is118601:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,430why I think tick tock is kickingeverybody's ass besides the fact118701:13:29,430 --> 01:13:32,880that they, their algorithm seemsto be Hey, I'm gonna put118801:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,120everybody who loves each otherover here because they all agree118901:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,020on one thing. And I know thisbecause I went viral. I went119001:13:40,020 --> 01:13:43,260viral was two topics one abouttick tock itself, I'm gonna119101:13:43,260 --> 01:13:46,170ignore that. The other one aboutmy faith journey, which I talked119201:13:46,170 --> 01:13:47,550about on Joe Rogan.119301:13:48,270 --> 01:13:51,930Dave Jones: And he went you wentviral on tick, I went super119401:13:51,930 --> 01:13:56,460Adam Curry: viral. I'm talkingeight 900,000 views 1000s of119501:13:56,460 --> 01:14:01,260comments also on YouTube.Millions of views on YouTube.119601:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,720What's the difference? On ticktock. They suppress dissent.119701:14:07,650 --> 01:14:10,680It's like everyone's just likeoh great, brother. I love it.119801:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,160God is good, you know, orwhatever. You can't imagine how119901:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,670great the this These commentswere. No one's pushing back.120001:14:17,670 --> 01:14:20,430It's all fan fabulous. Can'twait, you know, all the things120101:14:20,430 --> 01:14:24,780you would want to hear onYouTube. On YouTube. It's like120201:14:24,780 --> 01:14:30,360the amplify a man it's a hoax.God is not real. You of course,120301:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,360because the American media modelis strife and divisive pneus and120401:14:36,390 --> 01:14:40,650outrage. That is the model. Itworks for social media. It works120501:14:40,650 --> 01:14:45,090for politicians. It goesstraight through to mainstream120601:14:45,090 --> 01:14:48,510media, that everyone's yellingat the news and you know, the120701:14:48,510 --> 01:14:53,190most recent thing is, oh, transversus Christians, you know, and120801:14:53,190 --> 01:14:55,710AWS, you can see it everywhereand we're just fighting over120901:14:55,710 --> 01:14:58,890this instead of, you know,everyone's going to their corner121001:14:58,890 --> 01:15:02,250and everyone's gonna have theiropinion, but when algorithms121101:15:02,610 --> 01:15:07,140purposefully make people fight,that's where the money is made121201:15:07,140 --> 01:15:10,470in the American media model andwhat a tick tock do by the way,121301:15:10,470 --> 01:15:15,330it is a very Chinese thing. No,no, Paul, you people over here,121401:15:15,540 --> 01:15:18,030but you can go to tick tock, youcan get all the blue haired121501:15:18,030 --> 01:15:21,180purple hair, you can get allkinds of people. And, and I121601:15:21,180 --> 01:15:25,020learned this because I sawmessages of people saying, you121701:15:25,020 --> 01:15:28,140know, the reason they don't wantTik Tok is because that's where121801:15:28,140 --> 01:15:31,020all the Magga is, man, thePatriots are on Tik Tok. They121901:15:31,020 --> 01:15:34,740want them off. And then I sawthe same message. LGBTQ they122001:15:34,740 --> 01:15:37,380want to kick us off becausewe're powerful on tick tock one.122101:15:37,380 --> 01:15:42,180Whoa, whoa, someone's smart.They put all the purple hair122201:15:42,180 --> 01:15:45,480over here. They put the churchpeople over here, put122301:15:45,480 --> 01:15:49,200Republicans over here. And andadvertisers love it. So122401:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,320Dave Jones: it's not. It's notone tick tock. It's like It's122501:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,090like 800 Mini tick tock.122601:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,150Adam Curry: Yes. So an advertiselike, oh, I want to sell my122701:15:57,150 --> 01:15:59,910shoes. I want to sell them topeople on the left and people on122801:15:59,910 --> 01:16:05,010the right. Magic Johnson famouswho said this? And when I'm122901:16:05,010 --> 01:16:10,080sorry, Jordan. And so you canyou can message to people on the123001:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,440right hey, right, right, rightthinking people. Here's my123101:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,770shoes. And no one on the left isgoing a man that shit or your123201:16:16,770 --> 01:16:18,990shoes are no good. You'reselling to people on the right.123301:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,110And the people on the left, go,Hey, left people. Here's some123401:16:22,110 --> 01:16:25,290shoes. And there's no one inthere going, man you've targeted123501:16:25,290 --> 01:16:29,820I'm tired and you can't get theshoes. Awesome.123601:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,300Dave Jones: This was true. Thisis a fascinating, psycho123701:16:33,300 --> 01:16:37,170psychological thing here.Because when you when you when123801:16:37,170 --> 01:16:41,280you segregate these communities,to where they can only hear123901:16:41,280 --> 01:16:46,650their own voice. They'rehappier. And they and they don't124001:16:46,650 --> 01:16:48,420know that they're supposed to bemad.124101:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,840Adam Curry: Yes. And as abusiness, it's working very124201:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,040well. Now. Make no mistake,centralized media, social media124301:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,360is a bad idea. Regardless, badidea. It's much better if you124401:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,380have a feed. And it's reversechronological order. By the way,124501:17:04,380 --> 01:17:07,080I'm going to say it, I'm goingto put it right here I have it124601:17:07,080 --> 01:17:13,110on my nose noster there'ssomething to it. There's124701:17:13,110 --> 01:17:17,910something to noster that cannotbe poo pooed. I am. I'm from the124801:17:17,910 --> 01:17:21,990future. I have identified thingsin the past. I'm usually 10124901:17:21,990 --> 01:17:26,610years too early. That's why I'mnot a billionaire. So maybe I'm125001:17:26,610 --> 01:17:29,37010 years early on this, butthere's something to noster125101:17:29,730 --> 01:17:33,450that, that, that there's powerthere that I can't quite125201:17:33,450 --> 01:17:37,410explain. I don't know exactlywhy. But noster as a social125301:17:37,410 --> 01:17:41,400media, where you own your ownidentity. And I know there's all125401:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,370the problems with relays. And,and I can Alex Gates has125501:17:44,370 --> 01:17:47,850probably just turned off thelive stream. Um, there is125601:17:47,850 --> 01:17:52,650something there that isfunctioning. That is working in125701:17:52,650 --> 01:17:57,510a way that is interesting,exciting. It's far from ready125801:17:57,510 --> 01:18:02,670for primetime. But there'ssomething there. And it's, it's125901:18:02,790 --> 01:18:05,940different from mastodon. It'sdifferent. It's certainly126001:18:05,940 --> 01:18:09,270different from any centralizedsocial media. I'm just saying126101:18:09,270 --> 01:18:12,930there's something there. Socentralized social media, is a126201:18:12,930 --> 01:18:17,970bad idea. It's a health hazard.Anything that has an algo is a126301:18:17,970 --> 01:18:20,610health hazard. And you shouldprotect your children from it.126401:18:20,670 --> 01:18:24,870Regardless, this is what iskilling people. I think it's126501:18:24,900 --> 01:18:33,360it's evil. But right now, ticktock has figured out that people126601:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,550are happy on tick tock, becausethey're not being injected with126701:18:38,910 --> 01:18:39,720opposition.126801:18:42,420 --> 01:18:44,970Dave Jones: And I did not Ididn't know this. This is this126901:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,390is a very this is veryinteresting. I didn't know that127001:18:48,390 --> 01:18:50,520they actively suppress dissent.127101:18:51,570 --> 01:18:54,840Adam Curry: I don't have proof.But I haven't gone viral twice.127201:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,510I saw the difference on twodifferent platforms.127301:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,640Dave Jones: I don't know that. Imean, I think the proof is the127401:18:59,640 --> 01:19:05,850observation because you whatother what other social media127501:19:05,850 --> 01:19:11,550platform ever would you not seeany opposing views? I mean, like127601:19:11,550 --> 01:19:15,690that awkward. Yeah. That justalmost can't it almost, is127701:19:15,690 --> 01:19:18,510either they're actively eitherit's an act of suppress127801:19:18,510 --> 01:19:21,600suppression of dissent, wherethey're doing something like127901:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,070looking negative. Yeah,128001:19:23,100 --> 01:19:28,770Adam Curry: I think it is. Andthe reason why pastor Jimmy is128101:19:28,770 --> 01:19:33,300the one who pointed this out tome. He said, the people who are128201:19:33,300 --> 01:19:35,820always the people who are goingto push back on you as a128301:19:35,820 --> 01:19:39,750Christian the most areChristians, the Christians or128401:19:39,900 --> 01:19:41,880you're not worshipping right,you know,128501:19:42,599 --> 01:19:44,039Dave Jones: and that is 100%true.128601:19:45,870 --> 01:19:49,890Adam Curry: And so that did showup on YouTube, but not on tick128701:19:49,890 --> 01:19:53,160tock. So somehow, even thepeople who are in the group128801:19:53,910 --> 01:19:58,260didn't we're not, did notsurface to me. With you're doing128901:19:58,260 --> 01:19:59,100it. You're doing it wrong.129001:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,220Dave Jones: Yeah, that hasn'tbeen under some sort of129101:20:02,220 --> 01:20:04,980suppression. I mean, we knowthat there's sentiment, and129201:20:05,010 --> 01:20:08,970there's like sentiment scoring.I mean, that that NLP processing129301:20:08,970 --> 01:20:11,670that's been around for a longtime where you have like, sure129401:20:11,670 --> 01:20:15,240you can feed it some text andit'll spit out is this negative129501:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,420or positive? mean that it's,it's been around for a long time129601:20:18,420 --> 01:20:22,290and is really accurate? Yes,this is a negative. So then you129701:20:22,290 --> 01:20:25,320can very easily just say, well,we're just gonna hide, throw129801:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,230that down. Yeah, exactly. Thoseare filter, you boza filter the129901:20:28,230 --> 01:20:29,700negative stuff. And this is130001:20:29,700 --> 01:20:35,010Adam Curry: also why you haveBozo filter. This is also why I130101:20:35,010 --> 01:20:37,830have never built an I can almostarticulate but I've never130201:20:37,830 --> 01:20:42,480believed in podcastrecommendations. Because that,130301:20:42,480 --> 01:20:47,160by default requires a verycentralized system that knows a130401:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,330lot of things about you. Andthat's kind of the opposite of130501:20:51,330 --> 01:20:55,800what podcasting is podcasting.Now, I think it's a great place130601:20:56,100 --> 01:21:01,410to find podcasts currently, he'son tick tock. Know, we get a lot130701:21:01,410 --> 01:21:04,380of people Hey, man, someoneposted a clip of no agenda on130801:21:04,380 --> 01:21:09,840tick tock. And, and that bubblesto the top and it's within that130901:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,860group, you know, and it doesn'tflow over somewhere else where131001:21:13,860 --> 01:21:17,790people are gonna go, you know,yell about it, or it becomes a131101:21:17,790 --> 01:21:18,930very positive thing.131201:21:19,980 --> 01:21:21,900Dave Jones: I'm glad you'retalking about glad you brought131301:21:21,900 --> 01:21:25,890this up. Because just like, I'vebeen thinking about this a lot131401:21:25,890 --> 01:21:33,810discovery. Discovery is not a,it's not a flat thing. What I131501:21:33,810 --> 01:21:38,130mean is, it's not like an ownoff. You don't you don't go you131601:21:38,130 --> 01:21:45,960don't just you, you don't gointo discovery mode. There's a131701:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,950there, it's more like there'slike a pressure to discover131801:21:49,980 --> 01:21:54,570discovery. It's sort of, there'ssomething that's pushing you131901:21:54,600 --> 01:22:01,860over the threshold intodiscovering a thing. So I know132001:22:01,860 --> 01:22:06,960this all sounds a little bitweird. But like, like, it's very132101:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,460rare. It's rare that you woulddiscover something without being132201:22:11,460 --> 01:22:18,690ready to look for it. Like, butit's like, so in that regard,132301:22:18,690 --> 01:22:22,650it's it is sort of like a mode,but you don't choose to be in132401:22:22,650 --> 01:22:26,820it. It's something that you getalmost pushed into while you're132501:22:26,820 --> 01:22:29,850doing something else. It'sprobably easier to understand132601:22:29,850 --> 01:22:35,460with analogies like so if youwhen I go into my podcast app,132701:22:36,330 --> 01:22:41,340I'm not looking for discoveringnew podcasts. No, like, I'm132801:22:41,340 --> 01:22:44,190going in there to listen tosomething I already want.132901:22:45,270 --> 01:22:49,410Something I already know. Like,I'm going in there to listen to133001:22:49,410 --> 01:22:53,880something I've already chosen todownload and to subscribe to. So133101:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,570like your podcast app is notever I don't think going to be133201:22:57,570 --> 01:23:01,950the place where discoveryhappens. That's one133301:23:02,130 --> 01:23:05,070Adam Curry: disagree with you alittle bit. Really? Yeah.133401:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,350Dave Jones: I mean, I thought Iwas I mean,133501:23:07,740 --> 01:23:11,610Adam Curry: no, no. Well, I justwant this one thing. The133601:23:11,610 --> 01:23:16,740difference is the activity feedon on fountain. When I see a133701:23:16,740 --> 01:23:21,480Dave Jones boost show up in theair for a podcast. I know Dave133801:23:21,480 --> 01:23:25,020Jones, but no one else the appdoesn't know I know Dave Jones,133901:23:25,470 --> 01:23:28,740I see this activity feed Iscroll through it. Now what's134001:23:28,740 --> 01:23:31,140going on, you see what's goingon, or I see a clip or something134101:23:31,140 --> 01:23:35,070like that by other people. WhenI see Dave Jones has boosted an134201:23:35,070 --> 01:23:38,160amount of SATs to a show. I wantto listen to the show. It may134301:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,990not be for me, but I tried itout. So that is the one time the134401:23:42,990 --> 01:23:48,000one the one and only time. I'vegotten a recommendation from an134501:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,450app.134601:23:49,620 --> 01:23:53,040Dave Jones: I can see that'salmost like bringing in a it's134701:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,940almost like bringing in anexternal was you it was it was134801:23:56,940 --> 01:24:01,260you? Yeah, no, I'd like you'relike I'm paying for it too. And134901:24:01,260 --> 01:24:04,350it's like, I mean, I'm actuallythere's like a double when135001:24:04,350 --> 01:24:07,290that's like your that's okay,well, that that's actually I135101:24:07,290 --> 01:24:11,790think fits into the pressuremodel. It's so because you're135201:24:11,790 --> 01:24:15,930you're being sort of overwhelmedinto a sense of discovery that135301:24:15,930 --> 01:24:19,800you're being pushed. No, no, no,no, I disagree by an external135401:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,860force, which is if you if youhad me, Yeah, huge.135501:24:22,890 --> 01:24:25,230Adam Curry: Exactly. If you hadmade a clip, it would have been135601:24:25,230 --> 01:24:28,290just as interesting to me or ifthere was a comment that surface135701:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,070as long as I know that you andserendipitous, right, as long as135801:24:32,070 --> 01:24:34,680I know that. Oh, that's Dave, hedid this. Oh, that's135901:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,890interesting. I'm going to checkit out. Now other ways I136001:24:37,890 --> 01:24:40,620discover as you say, Hey, Adam,check this podcast out.136101:24:41,580 --> 01:24:45,210Dave Jones: And so I thinkdiscovery most often happens136201:24:45,210 --> 01:24:50,130with something like like, thiswould be a scenario. You are136301:24:50,130 --> 01:24:53,550listening. You're listening tosome old music you're listening136401:24:53,550 --> 01:24:55,680to some Jerry Reed we talkedabout Jerry Reed he listened to136501:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,670that he was Moses and you likedyou get you're getting it.136601:24:59,670 --> 01:25:03,360You're getting into it. And thenyou are like, I wonder if136701:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,240there's any podcasts about JerryRay, like, I would like to know136801:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,720more about his life or whatever.before. Before you know it, you136901:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,990end up you're listening tococaine and Ron stones. Yeah.137001:25:13,020 --> 01:25:17,340And you're into, you've gotteninto discovery mode through137101:25:17,340 --> 01:25:22,800something put sort of pushingyou into it. And and like, I137201:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,220guess that's what I'm trying tosay in this sense. Like, I'm not137301:25:26,220 --> 01:25:30,420sure that the difference I thinkwith fountain is, you know, you137401:25:30,420 --> 01:25:35,100know, me, and that's probablyand that's a good daddy, I137501:25:35,100 --> 01:25:38,820admit, that's a good way to doit. If if the people that you137601:25:38,820 --> 01:25:43,500are if you know, the otherpeople on your timeline, like if137701:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,780you have some sort ofconnection, of course, yes, of137801:25:45,780 --> 01:25:49,050course. Yeah. And you trust Now,if you're just a Rando will, you137901:25:49,050 --> 01:25:52,110know, download and found thosethat may not be138001:25:52,110 --> 01:25:54,180Adam Curry: free, you know, andfound and you can follow people?138101:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,960Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But the,but if there are people you138201:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,030don't know, it's not thepressure may not be138301:26:00,030 --> 01:26:01,740Adam Curry: there. Oh, there'szero pressure? Of course not.138401:26:01,770 --> 01:26:05,610No, yeah. No, but I'm justsaying it's not like YouTube or138501:26:05,610 --> 01:26:10,380Tik Tok. Where you know, whereit's very short, the throwing138601:26:10,380 --> 01:26:13,080stuff in your face or tryingthings out there checking out138701:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,900what you're scrolling? I mean,yeah, that's a recommendation138801:26:15,900 --> 01:26:21,030engine, which, which is notappropriate for podcast. Now,138901:26:21,270 --> 01:26:27,810here's the number one way I getnew listeners. Know, there's two139001:26:27,810 --> 01:26:31,830ways. One is, I saw you on JoeRogan talking about your139101:26:31,830 --> 01:26:34,320podcasts. I saw you and Tom, Iheard you and Tom was talking139201:26:34,320 --> 01:26:39,510about your podcast, I heard youon. Fill in the blank. That's139301:26:39,510 --> 01:26:45,420one. The other one is I got hitin the mouth by my friend. My139401:26:45,420 --> 01:26:48,510friend. That's what we call it.For no agenda. My friend said139501:26:48,510 --> 01:26:51,390you gotta listen to this. Tookme three lessons. Now I'm139601:26:51,390 --> 01:26:55,710listening. That's how that's howit's always worked for me.139701:26:56,100 --> 01:27:00,630There's never been we we do notshow up on lists. We're not an139801:27:00,630 --> 01:27:02,160apples top anything.139901:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,300Dave Jones: I don't you're noteven on Spotify.140001:27:06,510 --> 01:27:10,470Adam Curry: We're not even onSpotify. We purposely not funny.140101:27:11,280 --> 01:27:18,900Yeah, we went 850,000 uniquelisteners as per op three. built140201:27:18,900 --> 01:27:22,830over time, of course. But peoplewill send in messages like, Hey,140301:27:23,670 --> 01:27:26,760I got hit in the mouth by so andso by so and so by someone. So140401:27:27,150 --> 01:27:29,310there's a feedback mechanismwhere they can tell us and we140501:27:29,340 --> 01:27:31,410repeat that on the air, ofcourse. But that's just smart140601:27:31,410 --> 01:27:34,950programming. You can't fixeverything with a tag and140701:27:34,950 --> 01:27:38,730technology. Some of it is knowwhat the hell you're doing on140801:27:38,730 --> 01:27:39,510the podcast.140901:27:40,860 --> 01:27:45,150Dave Jones: It's yesterday, thisI'm sure we probably need to141001:27:45,150 --> 01:27:49,410Thanks for people's good forwell, but but I do but I want to141101:27:49,410 --> 01:27:53,850say this with regards to thepodcast, Anders project. And141201:27:53,850 --> 01:27:57,480their role as advocates, if Iunderstand that role correctly.141301:28:00,390 --> 01:28:05,760I would suggest stronglyadvocating directly to141401:28:06,900 --> 01:28:12,390advocating slash agitating Callit what you will directly to141501:28:12,420 --> 01:28:17,670Apple and Google or the Androidplatforms directly to these141601:28:17,670 --> 01:28:22,470platforms for the things thatare fundamentally needed. And141701:28:22,470 --> 01:28:28,410that would be out right out ofthe gate. A universal way to141801:28:28,410 --> 01:28:33,510subscribe to podcasts acrossapps. Oh, yes. So and that141901:28:33,510 --> 01:28:38,010involves the ability to set adefault podcast player on your142001:28:38,010 --> 01:28:43,080device. So that you so that wecan all get away from the142101:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,190million little badges of allthese Chiclets. Yeah, and we can142201:28:47,190 --> 01:28:54,270just have a you know, pod playcolon slash slash the the link142301:28:54,270 --> 01:28:57,870to the podcast. And it justalways opens in your default142401:28:57,870 --> 01:29:02,850player and subscribes we do thisit's complete silliness and142501:29:02,850 --> 01:29:05,610nonsense that we don't have thisyet. I would, I would advocate142601:29:05,610 --> 01:29:10,320for that right out of the gate.The other thing I would advocate142701:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,150for is this is on my Christmaslist is for somebody to just142801:29:15,150 --> 01:29:21,420call up some someone at Spotifyand say, Hey, Spotify, will you142901:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,620please support the person tag?Like some I feel like somebody143001:29:25,620 --> 01:29:30,000just needs to call them on thetelephone and say, Hey, will you143101:29:30,000 --> 01:29:36,210please ingest these these Xnumber of tags and just have a143201:29:36,210 --> 01:29:39,480in person phone call withsomebody at at that play?143301:29:39,480 --> 01:29:43,530Because I would like them. Itwould be great. I agree. I'm143401:29:43,530 --> 01:29:48,120gonna go with your model. Andsay that we war can last143501:29:48,120 --> 01:29:53,880forever. We need to we need toseek peace. And peace, to me143601:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,410involves the diplomacy ofcalling a calling them up and143701:29:58,410 --> 01:30:03,120saying hey, Can you all support?We would like add we as the143801:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,760podcast Android project wouldlike you to support. It's143901:30:06,180 --> 01:30:09,180Adam Curry: funny you say thatwe all know who the people are144001:30:09,180 --> 01:30:13,860because pod news reports on themdaily. We know we know exactly144101:30:13,860 --> 01:30:16,830who the people are in charge, itchanges a lot. We know exactly144201:30:16,830 --> 01:30:19,860who's in charge. I completelyagree. We have their names. If144301:30:19,860 --> 01:30:22,290we add their names, we canprobably find their their phone144401:30:22,320 --> 01:30:26,820their phone number. And beforewe get into thanking people, I144501:30:26,820 --> 01:30:29,370would like to advocate onceagain that someone helped144601:30:29,370 --> 01:30:34,620Courtney Kocak. thinks Ipronounce your name. Yes. As a144701:30:34,620 --> 01:30:41,250private parts podcast. She heardour podcast, she I'll read this.144801:30:41,820 --> 01:30:44,130I had been talked about onpodcast. She posted this on144901:30:44,130 --> 01:30:47,430Twitter. She did Yes. I've beentalked about on podcast for145001:30:47,430 --> 01:30:49,770better or for worse, but I'venever been clipped up and145101:30:49,770 --> 01:30:53,220discussed for the better part ofa 15 minute segment. And by Adam145201:30:53,220 --> 01:30:57,690curry, no less. Apparentlyinvented podcasting is pretty145301:30:57,690 --> 01:31:02,700hilarious. I wish I wish everytime I'm talked about was so145401:31:02,700 --> 01:31:05,550good natured. You'll have tolisten for the details. But long145501:31:05,550 --> 01:31:09,450story short, I'm now inspired tostart doing V for V for my145601:31:09,450 --> 01:31:12,870podcast. And of course, I'll betaking you along for the ride.145701:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,370No one has been allowed to thiswoman a HUD Damn.145801:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,990Dave Jones: I mean, this isthat's money145901:31:19,050 --> 01:31:24,600Adam Curry: in the bank. Thebank someone has to go help and146001:31:24,600 --> 01:31:28,230she's got a Twitter. Now RobGreenlee apparently didn't reach146101:31:28,230 --> 01:31:33,480out. I gave him first dibs.Don't make me go to Steve leaves146201:31:33,480 --> 01:31:34,290and make him do it.146301:31:34,769 --> 01:31:38,339Dave Jones: Rob doesn't likemoney. Not a money.146401:31:39,630 --> 01:31:41,400Adam Curry: Let's thank somepeople. Let's thank the people146501:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,430who have diligently beenboosting during this late night146601:31:44,430 --> 01:31:47,100board meeting. And we reallyappreciate all of you being146701:31:47,100 --> 01:31:52,320here. Who were in the chat room.Blueberry, the most recent one146801:31:52,320 --> 01:32:00,570one minute ago. With 33,999. Hesends a link and of course I am146901:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,900foolishly going to open thislink to an mp3 file to see what147001:32:03,900 --> 01:32:11,790it is. And it's loading let'ssee. Seems to be a pretty big147101:32:11,790 --> 01:32:15,120file. I don't know what is theLord. Oh, it's crunching the147201:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,020connection for some reason. Allright. Well, that's not working.147301:32:19,020 --> 01:32:22,800I have to stop that. By the way.I ordered a five gigabit gigabit147401:32:22,800 --> 01:32:27,690line Dave. Oh, you ordered afive gigabit. Yep, fiber is here147501:32:27,690 --> 01:32:32,220in the hill country and theyhave a 500 megabit they have a147601:32:32,220 --> 01:32:35,700gigabit they have a two gigabitand a five gigabit and I went147701:32:35,700 --> 01:32:38,250for five honkin gigabits baby.147801:32:38,850 --> 01:32:42,060Dave Jones: Holy cow. How didyou get that out in the middle147901:32:42,060 --> 01:32:42,660of nowhere?148001:32:42,690 --> 01:32:46,170Adam Curry: Texas brother,Texas. Big pie. everything's148101:32:46,170 --> 01:32:48,000bigger in Texas. Don't you knowthat?148201:32:48,570 --> 01:32:50,250Dave Jones: I mean, I'm indowntown and148301:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,980Adam Curry: 2222 from Nathan Galternative to a default podcast148401:32:55,980 --> 01:32:59,370app on iOS podcasting. 2.0 appscould provide a way to sync148501:32:59,370 --> 01:33:02,700subscriptions, progress playstates between apps. Okay,148601:33:03,150 --> 01:33:10,050blueberry with a 33 666 withanother. Another link Dave,148701:33:10,050 --> 01:33:12,570there's a Tiktok for everythinghe says. And then he sends in a148801:33:12,570 --> 01:33:17,2206666 the boardroom needs atleast one goat. Okay, and it's148901:33:17,220 --> 01:33:21,09033,330 I'll give you a goat.Okay, he wants to hear a goat149001:33:21,270 --> 01:33:26,220and a 33,333 Where's my goat? Igotta go to here somewhere.149101:33:26,220 --> 01:33:32,490We're gonna go I'm gonna go thatsplits a little baby splits. Mr.149201:33:32,490 --> 01:33:38,370Robots, Mr. Robot checks in andhe says just topped off my lb149301:33:38,370 --> 01:33:43,650with some climate change. Healthkarma for Dave oh, by the way.149401:33:43,650 --> 01:33:47,40010,000 SATs probably get thatgarlic off your nightstand at149501:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,710night. Oh, that's the bookyou've been reading. Before the149601:33:49,710 --> 01:33:52,830works that my Hill appreciatewhere you and Adam have created149701:33:52,980 --> 01:34:01,500a bunch of emojis. We have eliteboots elite boost 33 13,013 137149801:34:01,500 --> 01:34:07,650from envy for N for v XP 2.0.Getting lit on a Friday night.149901:34:07,650 --> 01:34:11,940Thank you for your coding. Genebeing 2222 Seems I'm not150001:34:11,940 --> 01:34:14,550destined to Listen Live podverse web is not playing nice150101:34:14,550 --> 01:34:16,590for me either. I guess I willcatch the release version150201:34:16,590 --> 01:34:19,650tomorrow could be the the bitsand bytes. Sorry about that.150301:34:20,040 --> 01:34:24,780Meet us with 50,000 SATs Thankyou very much. metus another150401:34:24,780 --> 01:34:27,780gene being 1337 Check out thelive show on pod verse for the150501:34:27,780 --> 01:34:31,710first time pretty cool. He sayshard hat with 2222 Oh that was150601:34:31,710 --> 01:34:36,450the test boost I asked forearlier and Eric peepee 33,333150701:34:36,450 --> 01:34:41,310also with a test boost and Genebeing again with a 1337 chimp150801:34:41,340 --> 01:34:44,340while we were starting off theshow we had a test boost we were150901:34:44,340 --> 01:34:47,370singing to The Style Council.Shout out to the top he did a151001:34:47,370 --> 01:34:53,880boosted to the top with a row ofdogs with a tail 22,223 The151101:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,900trickler I'm thinking that oh hejust trickler 500 SATs go151201:34:57,900 --> 01:35:04,560podcasting he says lie see Am2112 Rush boost says running151301:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,320with scissors on the oh yesrunning with scissors or needles151401:35:07,320 --> 01:35:11,790and pins Carolyn's monkeycorrect Martin Linda's Kirk all151501:35:11,790 --> 01:35:15,600the way from Scandinavia Hegives us Depeche Mode Have a151601:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,140listen151701:35:20,040 --> 01:35:26,550Unknown: back cold winter jarkaThat comes Caroline's151801:35:26,580 --> 01:35:32,070monkey it's hungry again.Running with Scissors on151901:35:32,070 --> 01:35:32,850needles.152001:35:33,900 --> 01:35:34,830Yeah152101:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,520Dave Jones: okay I'm familiarwith152201:35:41,550 --> 01:35:44,130Adam Curry: Guy airline I knowthe debate and one of them is152301:35:44,130 --> 01:35:47,010dead now. I knew that DepecheMode guys pretty good ladies.152401:35:48,840 --> 01:35:56,220Let me see. I think that's MikeDell 21,000 SATs pre show. busco152501:35:56,220 --> 01:35:57,210podcasting.152601:35:58,140 --> 01:35:58,440Dave Jones: Thank you,152701:35:58,440 --> 01:36:00,210Unknown: Mike. And152801:36:00,900 --> 01:36:06,120Adam Curry: me see then we havetone wrecker. 4321 bummed to152901:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,400miss the board meeting chat roomthis week after last week's153001:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,380break. We'll we'll catch therecording while watching our153101:36:10,380 --> 01:36:13,170high school robotics teamcompete this weekend. They did153201:36:13,170 --> 01:36:15,930qualify now to attend worldfinals in Houston next month.153301:36:15,930 --> 01:36:18,870Let me hear your hollaNightcrawler Holla Holla Holla153401:36:18,870 --> 01:36:24,750Holla That's right. And one lateone that just came in sir lurks153501:36:24,780 --> 01:36:32,460a lot 13,370 Live booths frompod verse by Alby and Mike153601:36:32,460 --> 01:36:38,160Newman 21,112 Mega Rush boostjust turn this thing on heard153701:36:38,160 --> 01:36:44,190Adam talking about big pipes gopodcasting. All right, and now153801:36:44,190 --> 01:36:47,040it's over to you Dave because Ihit the delimiter so it's time153901:36:47,040 --> 01:36:48,000for you to take over154001:36:48,300 --> 01:36:51,570Dave Jones: no I've got a MarcoArment it $500 And154101:36:51,570 --> 01:36:53,010Adam Curry: pay pal Helloeverybody154201:36:53,040 --> 01:36:58,230Unknown: Wow Sakala 20 hit playon am Paula Thank154301:36:58,230 --> 01:37:01,020Adam Curry: you Marco alwaysappreciate appreciate your154401:37:01,020 --> 01:37:04,620support of the index and thework we do. Oh hold on a second.154501:37:04,650 --> 01:37:11,370I'm sorry. Did I How did I missthis? Mr. Robot just came in154601:37:11,370 --> 01:37:15,000with his first live boost.Thanks for the love of my life154701:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,870Mr. Robot for the help. Oh,anonymous I'm sorry. My first154801:37:18,870 --> 01:37:21,840live was thanks for the love ofmy life. Mr. Robot for the help154901:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,110go podcasting. 100,000 SATs.155001:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,340Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze onhim.155101:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,690Adam Curry: That's the love ofMr. Robot's life. All right.155201:37:33,690 --> 01:37:34,860Well, Johnny works.155301:37:35,100 --> 01:37:37,140Dave Jones: Word that is anentrance into the boardroom.155401:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,290Adam Curry: That's a you justbarging into the boardroom with?155501:37:42,390 --> 01:37:48,360Dave Jones: With a with a fourpack a turbo Buzzsprout? Also155601:37:48,540 --> 01:37:49,530$500155701:37:51,570 --> 01:37:56,490Unknown: Sakala 20 blades on theImpala. Yes, thank155801:37:56,490 --> 01:37:59,820Dave Jones: you. Congratulationsto you. To to you guys for155901:38:00,510 --> 01:38:02,910sticking with that podcastunderstanding and putting it156001:38:02,910 --> 01:38:06,570together. Yes. That is not aneasy thing to do.156101:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,360Adam Curry: Get in the waypolitics is not easy.156201:38:10,139 --> 01:38:13,679Dave Jones: Yes, not and justget just getting. And getting156301:38:14,069 --> 01:38:20,219five people on the same page ishard and much less 15 or 22156401:38:20,219 --> 01:38:25,019group. Thanks, guys. And whilewe're while we're there,156501:38:25,019 --> 01:38:28,109fountain, Oscar marry $200. Man,156601:38:28,590 --> 01:38:35,490Adam Curry: we are just Blazelaminate this value for value it156701:38:35,490 --> 01:38:36,300works.156801:38:37,980 --> 01:38:40,860Dave Jones: And, and I have awill get this whatever this156901:38:40,890 --> 01:38:45,930mystery 502 At five o'clock at5:02am in the morning is. I157001:38:45,930 --> 01:38:49,800don't know if this is some sortof a joke. But I will find out157101:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,980what this problem is and fix iton the API.157201:38:53,099 --> 01:38:56,039Adam Curry: Oh, and and I justwant to thank everyone who's157301:38:56,069 --> 01:38:59,429who's supporting us this weekover the past two weeks, Dave157401:38:59,429 --> 01:39:00,869and I actually had to pay taxes.157501:39:02,070 --> 01:39:03,600Dave Jones: That was not fun.But it was157601:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,760Adam Curry: not fun. So weappreciate you filling it out.157701:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,310Because you know, even though wedon't take money out of the157801:39:08,310 --> 01:39:12,660index for anything, we do paytaxes over everything that comes157901:39:12,660 --> 01:39:13,680in Yeah. So158001:39:13,710 --> 01:39:15,900Dave Jones: I don't know if it'sthis way in other countries, but158101:39:15,930 --> 01:39:20,730in in the US if you have apartnership, you the income from158201:39:20,730 --> 01:39:24,930the business goes, Pat is whatthey call passes through to158301:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,950directly to your personalreturn. So it's like you made158401:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,920it's like you made all of themoney that the business made.158501:39:31,950 --> 01:39:35,010Even though that money is not inyour bank. It's in the hands of158601:39:35,010 --> 01:39:39,750business. Yes. So your that taxbill is not fun, but158701:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,170Adam Curry: we thank you. You'vehelped us with that.158801:39:45,480 --> 01:39:49,170Dave Jones: I've got guests whothis is somebody gave us $100158901:39:49,320 --> 01:39:54,150Okay, and this is an this issomebody this is I want you to159001:39:54,150 --> 01:39:54,810guess159101:39:56,490 --> 01:40:02,730Adam Curry: while you're gettingany hints no Just someone I159201:40:02,730 --> 01:40:03,300know.159301:40:04,830 --> 01:40:08,730Dave Jones: personally know itsomeone's been he's been on the159401:40:08,730 --> 01:40:14,490show though. And he writes anapp I the podcast159501:40:17,010 --> 01:40:20,490Adam Curry: Franco? Yes. Yeah.159601:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,380Unknown: Sakala 20 is blade on Iam Paula159701:40:25,410 --> 01:40:27,240Adam Curry: has automatic baby.Yeah,159801:40:27,300 --> 01:40:30,210Dave Jones: the reason I didthat the reason I said I wanted159901:40:30,210 --> 01:40:34,530you to guess, is because youhave this uncanny ability to160001:40:34,530 --> 01:40:39,630guess stuff like this with withalmost no information. No, you160101:40:39,630 --> 01:40:43,560know, you have this gift right?Yeah, I guess I heard you do160201:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,320this for years where? Wheresomebody will say, you know,160301:40:46,320 --> 01:40:52,380we're John will say, a guestthis and it'll give you hardly160401:40:52,410 --> 01:40:54,960any information to go on. Andyou will nail it.160501:40:55,530 --> 01:40:58,380Adam Curry: Yeah. Or come prettyclose. Come pretty. I don't know160601:40:58,380 --> 01:41:01,290how you. I don't know, either. Idon't know. But you said when160701:41:01,290 --> 01:41:02,580you said app, I'm like,160801:41:04,170 --> 01:41:06,090Dave Jones: it could have beenso many people miss Steven B.160901:41:06,090 --> 01:41:08,250Could have been Martin couldhave been Jason from161001:41:08,700 --> 01:41:12,450Adam Curry: I don't know why.And I don't know. It's neural161101:41:12,450 --> 01:41:15,810networking, because Casta Maticwas also pretty high on the list161201:41:15,810 --> 01:41:21,720of transactions recently. He'swired into it and I guess I161301:41:21,720 --> 01:41:25,890guess I don't know. It's crazy.I'm sorry. It's talent. They're161401:41:26,940 --> 01:41:27,420raw.161501:41:28,470 --> 01:41:32,340Dave Jones: That was a clickBeatty, you know, mere mortals161601:41:32,340 --> 01:41:34,290pie. We're going to submit yourgraphs caring for the mere161701:41:34,290 --> 01:41:38,280mortals podcast 2222. He says,fuck it. I'll step up and try161801:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,310this out. You've mentioned the Vfor V consultant idea before161901:41:41,310 --> 01:41:45,000Adam and if the guy who runs theV for V podcast won't do it,162001:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,200then who will? Ah Oh, Aaron'sgonna dip his toe There you162101:41:49,200 --> 01:41:54,540Adam Curry: go, man. She's atCourtney Kocak on on Twitter.162201:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,510And I replied to her so you canfind it from my timeline and162301:42:00,510 --> 01:42:01,830just tell her I sent you162401:42:03,810 --> 01:42:05,220Dave Jones: the pod father sentyou Yeah,162501:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,650Adam Curry: she's ready for itman. She just needs a little bit162601:42:07,650 --> 01:42:13,320of help and look listen to thecontent listen to the content.162701:42:13,350 --> 01:42:18,120It's stuff that people willboost they'll boost162801:42:19,740 --> 01:42:22,710Dave Jones: Oh, I like that.This is this is a very162901:42:22,710 --> 01:42:26,760appropriate the chyron wouldtake this mantle V for Vega.163001:42:26,790 --> 01:42:30,210Adam Curry: Yeah, what a greatgreat great guy. Go go go go.163101:42:31,350 --> 01:42:36,210Dave Jones: Gene mean 1337 leadboost he says having my deviated163201:42:36,210 --> 01:42:40,140septum thanks made me so muchhealthier. Dave Dave's health163301:42:40,140 --> 01:42:47,520podcast is what this is. I likethis. Okay. So, Jean bean again.163401:42:47,550 --> 01:42:50,4901337. He says, I vote to keepthe dollar amounts in the163501:42:50,490 --> 01:42:52,860charts, Dave. Okay. All right.We'll keep it we'll keep it.163601:42:54,030 --> 01:42:58,980Karen again. 20 To 22 pieces.And Aussie swear a lot in163701:42:58,980 --> 01:43:03,810general. Or at least use a fairbit of slang that's just British163801:43:03,810 --> 01:43:08,400crudeness. A try typing inAustralian prude in Google and163901:43:08,400 --> 01:43:14,940it tries correcting it to pride.Thanks, Google. Jean Bane.164001:43:14,940 --> 01:43:18,27010,000 says he says mycontribution to the Balian Oh,164101:43:18,270 --> 01:43:18,660okay.164201:43:20,460 --> 01:43:21,630Unknown: Thank you very good.164301:43:22,260 --> 01:43:27,480Dave Jones: froze ear at80 8080. He says, Janet Yellen164401:43:27,480 --> 01:43:36,180sounds like a female VernerHertzog floored Jo Jo W. Sasha164501:43:36,180 --> 01:43:39,780Richards. No, no, thank you,Joe. Thank you Joe Clark in my164601:43:39,780 --> 01:43:43,740buddy 25,000 SATs, he saysoctogenarian kleptocratic164701:43:43,740 --> 01:43:47,130oligarchs are looting the systemin the collapse stage of the US164801:43:47,130 --> 01:43:51,570Empire. Mid wits who failed upbecause of a broken system and164901:43:51,570 --> 01:43:54,990money thank God for Bitcoin theorange pill that is also a white165001:43:54,990 --> 01:43:58,050pill. Boost boost boosts right165101:43:58,050 --> 01:43:58,530Unknown: nice165201:43:58,590 --> 01:44:02,790Dave Jones: as a good note,Brian mozzie 33 333 through165301:44:02,790 --> 01:44:06,000fountain he says double checkthe tally coin a donated on165401:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,130chain March 12 Boost Oh,165501:44:09,030 --> 01:44:11,910Unknown: I will check on willcheck um she says March 12.165601:44:13,020 --> 01:44:16,170Adam Curry: Well, that wouldhave been before that one before165701:44:16,170 --> 01:44:17,460I last show.165801:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,200Unknown: Did I read?165901:44:19,200 --> 01:44:20,970Adam Curry: I think I have afeeling I read that.166001:44:21,000 --> 01:44:24,630Dave Jones: Yeah, I think youread it. I remember you talking166101:44:24,660 --> 01:44:27,150about about mozzie I think hereally wants166201:44:27,150 --> 01:44:29,580Adam Curry: to take it sweetsweet time to load. Oh, here it166301:44:29,580 --> 01:44:34,980is. Tally coin. Let's see. March12. No, that was that was Drib166401:44:35,340 --> 01:44:42,330No, no testing tally coin wasDrib be Mossy. 48,865 And that166501:44:42,330 --> 01:44:45,360was March and I was positive. Ithink I meant mentioned but if166601:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,430not thank you again. Thank youagain. Yes, thank166701:44:47,430 --> 01:44:52,500Dave Jones: you. Color Mona6969. Through fountain and he166801:44:52,500 --> 01:44:55,890says saying a YouTube video is apodcast is like saying a comic166901:44:55,890 --> 01:44:59,130book is a TV show called manasir Libra moon.167001:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,900Unknown: I totally agree.167101:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,650Dave Jones: Ahlborn Citadelle50,000 SATs and he says boost167201:45:05,400 --> 01:45:11,280boost. Oh, here we go. Chrislast. Chris from Jupiter167301:45:11,280 --> 01:45:17,070broadcasting 222,222 sets167401:45:18,480 --> 01:45:22,320Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on Iam Paula.167501:45:22,350 --> 01:45:24,690Adam Curry: Wow. Thank you.Thank you, Chris.167601:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,170Dave Jones: He says, Hey,gentlemen, some good news. Linux167701:45:28,170 --> 01:45:31,440fest northwest, the best andlargest open source community167801:45:31,440 --> 01:45:35,340event in the country is back inOctober after COVID break. I'm167901:45:35,340 --> 01:45:37,830putting the word out that we'rehoping to get someone in the168001:45:37,830 --> 01:45:41,790podcast in 2.0 community to holda talk call for papers is open168101:45:41,790 --> 01:45:46,320now details at Linux Linux festnorthwest.org. It's like a168201:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,700party. Hey,168301:45:48,900 --> 01:45:50,610Adam Curry: are those guys doinglive shows? Yeah,168401:45:50,610 --> 01:45:54,990Dave Jones: I don't think so. Ithink they're, they're zeroing168501:45:54,990 --> 01:45:55,590in on it though.168601:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,050Adam Curry: Because I can justimagine I listen to their to168701:45:58,050 --> 01:46:02,340their show often, frequently,and I haven't boosted in a while168801:46:02,340 --> 01:46:05,160but yeah, but man if I waslistening to a live show, it's168901:46:05,190 --> 01:46:09,120it's made for boosting live. No,it totally would have been total169001:46:09,120 --> 01:46:09,750fun with it.169101:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,690Dave Jones: Thank you, Chris.Appreciate that, bro. Oh, Roy169201:46:15,690 --> 01:46:21,540scheinfeld Yeah, 54321 no note.He just says podcast. index.org169301:46:21,570 --> 01:46:22,260Adam Curry: Whoa,169401:46:22,380 --> 01:46:23,670Unknown: whoa, okay, well,169501:46:23,700 --> 01:46:24,990Dave Jones: how you doingbooster. Thanks,169601:46:24,990 --> 01:46:26,010Adam Curry: Roy. I got a callRoy.169701:46:27,990 --> 01:46:30,240Dave Jones: Let's see. I've gotI've got a double delimiter169801:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,720here. So I'm just gonna read thefirst delimiter from comic strip169901:46:33,720 --> 01:46:37,350blogger. 30 3015. This was theshortened delimiter from last170001:46:37,350 --> 01:46:40,740week. God says how do you Adamand Dave since Adam wanted me to170101:46:40,740 --> 01:46:46,200boost also when you don't have ashow that you actually said170201:46:46,200 --> 01:46:46,590that?170301:46:48,420 --> 01:46:51,180Adam Curry: Here's a commissionblogger always lets us know if170401:46:51,210 --> 01:46:53,730if he got if all the splitswork, which I appreciate he does170501:46:53,730 --> 01:46:59,520it for for carrying the keeperas well. Okay. And he says, Hey,170601:46:59,610 --> 01:47:03,120are you guys doing the show ornot? And I want to know if I170701:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,850should do so I said, I think Isaid Well, you know the server's170801:47:05,850 --> 01:47:09,330still work while we're whilewe're even though we don't have170901:47:09,330 --> 01:47:12,690a show. And you took that toheart and I appreciate that.171001:47:12,900 --> 01:47:14,280Appreciate it, man. Thank you.171101:47:15,180 --> 01:47:19,500Dave Jones: Okay. He says it'sjust a funny way to say it.171201:47:20,220 --> 01:47:24,180Since Adam wanted me to boostalso when you don't have this171301:47:24,180 --> 01:47:26,790week. So here it is. Yoast.171401:47:27,780 --> 01:47:29,220Adam Curry: Thank you combinatorblogger.171501:47:29,429 --> 01:47:35,369Dave Jones: Thanks. ESB. 6969from a citizen. Blessings to you171601:47:35,399 --> 01:47:39,809saviors of the universe. Maybenot the universe, maybe podcast.171701:47:41,639 --> 01:47:46,139Macintosh 20 103 found in and hesays Eurodollar University is a171801:47:46,139 --> 01:47:51,239great podcast. Okay. It's not apodcast. Oh, wait, it actually171901:47:51,239 --> 01:47:54,449it is a podcast. I think he doeshave a Python is good. But I172001:47:54,449 --> 01:47:57,659watched it on YouTube. You'reright Macintosh, I hope noster172101:47:57,659 --> 01:48:03,029sorts out V for V type supportsoon. The protocol and the basic172201:48:03,029 --> 01:48:06,299ideas, decentralized free speechthat is censorship resistant and172301:48:06,299 --> 01:48:09,839can even provide semi privatecommunication is very important,172401:48:09,839 --> 01:48:14,819in my opinion, is early days,early early days. We will see172501:48:14,819 --> 01:48:18,269how it works out on a completelydifferent thought. Could we get172601:48:18,269 --> 01:48:21,689returns implanted in boosts?Returns?172701:48:23,250 --> 01:48:26,910Adam Curry: Oh, so you can boostback up somebody?172801:48:28,440 --> 01:48:30,600Dave Jones: Okay, on acompletely different thought.172901:48:30,600 --> 01:48:35,010Could we get returns and plantedin boosts? I would love to be173001:48:35,010 --> 01:48:40,170able to have separateparagraphs. Oh, man. Oh, well,173101:48:40,170 --> 01:48:40,350that173201:48:40,350 --> 01:48:43,530Adam Curry: depends what appyou're using. Yeah. And173301:48:43,530 --> 01:48:46,020Dave Jones: you've and rememberMacintosh, you've only got a173401:48:46,020 --> 01:48:48,870very limited amount of messagespace. Yeah,173501:48:48,929 --> 01:48:51,659Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah, that butI do find that a problem as173601:48:51,659 --> 01:48:58,289well. When I use I think almostany, any app. Except curio casts173701:48:58,289 --> 01:49:01,949or because it's a web based.There's no spellcheck. There's173801:49:01,949 --> 01:49:08,489no no autocomplete of like, youknow, I'm you have to put in the173901:49:08,489 --> 01:49:12,599apostrophe yourself. Yeah, yeah,I understand. I understand the174001:49:12,599 --> 01:49:15,449problem, but yeah, it's limitedspace to true174101:49:15,480 --> 01:49:19,020Dave Jones: Yeah, you were theTLV piggybacks inside the onion.174201:49:20,490 --> 01:49:22,110In the lightning payment. Hey,baby,174301:49:22,110 --> 01:49:28,080Adam Curry: can I can I put my TO V on your onion? I piggyback174401:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,610my TLV on your onion.174501:49:30,240 --> 01:49:35,400Dave Jones: There's sevenmillimeters of bone. So yes, he174601:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,300says have some paragraphs hesays go podcasting. Yes, I hear174701:49:39,300 --> 01:49:46,890ya podcast 8008 Boob donationfrom our Davis 87 He says in the174801:49:46,890 --> 01:49:52,170morning gents ITM love see lovethe stet talk please defrag me174901:49:52,290 --> 01:49:52,800Oh,175001:49:53,580 --> 01:49:57,600Adam Curry: that for a while.You got it.175101:49:58,230 --> 01:50:01,980Dave Jones: Sir. I think thatstrips got Little one, Sir175201:50:01,980 --> 01:50:05,370Michael 10 case that's 10,000SATs he says where's the new175301:50:05,370 --> 01:50:08,970episode? I need my Friday fixupon namespace talk real time175401:50:08,970 --> 01:50:10,920might start listening to morenet casts.175501:50:12,179 --> 01:50:15,629Adam Curry: Sorry we weren'there. We weren't here. No, don't175601:50:15,630 --> 01:50:20,760Dave Jones: do that. Jay Moon5033 He says at work on a Friday175701:50:20,760 --> 01:50:22,980night it's just not the samewithout the boardroom meeting175801:50:22,980 --> 01:50:24,570from earlier library.175901:50:25,529 --> 01:50:29,039Adam Curry: Same for me. Imissed it too. I was doing it. I176001:50:29,039 --> 01:50:29,759miss doing it.176101:50:30,539 --> 01:50:34,079Dave Jones: I love sushi. 1000SATs through cast semantics is176201:50:34,079 --> 01:50:36,449test boost from CAST Matic Well,I love sushi.176301:50:36,539 --> 01:50:39,689Adam Curry: Yeah, she isboosting a lot and boosts other176401:50:39,689 --> 01:50:41,249shows as well. Thank you. I lovesushi.176501:50:42,209 --> 01:50:47,489Dave Jones: Nicholas be58 50,000 says ooh, Nicholas176601:50:47,489 --> 01:50:48,539says boost176701:50:48,570 --> 01:50:50,280Unknown: got it boost.176801:50:51,510 --> 01:50:56,400Dave Jones: Just listening 1000SATs and just listening says GE176901:50:56,400 --> 01:51:00,960Griffin in the Creature fromJekyll Island, quote, Secrets of177001:51:00,960 --> 01:51:04,350the temple was critical of theFederal Reserve because of its177101:51:04,350 --> 01:51:08,250failures. But according togreater these were not caused by177201:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,640any defect in the system itself.But were merely were the result177301:51:11,640 --> 01:51:14,610of economic factors which are socomplicated that the good men177401:51:14,790 --> 01:51:17,070who have struggled to make thesystem work just haven't been177501:51:17,070 --> 01:51:19,680able to figure it all out. Butdon't worry, folks, they're177601:51:19,680 --> 01:51:20,370working on it.177701:51:20,760 --> 01:51:22,530Adam Curry: That's streaming I'msure they are.177801:51:23,490 --> 01:51:29,490Dave Jones: I I agree. Oh, hehas a follow up here he says177901:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,820this is post quote he says thatis exactly the kind of178001:51:32,820 --> 01:51:35,280powderpuff criticism which isacceptable in our mainstream178101:51:35,280 --> 01:51:38,760media. Dave I'm slowly workingmy way through 60s at the temple178201:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,950and I'm loving the occasionaltidbits when you mention it178301:51:41,220 --> 01:51:43,530maybe we could hear roundup ofyour thoughts when I'm reading178401:51:43,530 --> 01:51:43,650it178501:51:43,890 --> 01:51:46,950Adam Curry: yeah exactly. Makeus make us all completely into178601:51:46,950 --> 01:51:47,640Unix178701:51:51,540 --> 01:51:59,160Dave Jones: the I agree in thislike I'm not reading it for178801:51:59,820 --> 01:52:03,540incredibly harsh criticism ofthe Federal Reserve it's really178901:52:03,540 --> 01:52:09,180history to me like I want tohear what was going on at the179001:52:09,180 --> 01:52:14,160time from somebody who was thereget a little pig militant but ya179101:52:14,160 --> 01:52:19,110know there's I'm sure that'sfair. C dubs one on one a one179201:52:19,110 --> 01:52:23,940binary boost he says I sayboosted boosted good things to179301:52:25,740 --> 01:52:33,210say sir looks a lot 1337 leadboost he says oh Lord, bass haze179401:52:33,210 --> 01:52:38,010me begin series of boosts andthen how many is this? Oh my179501:52:38,010 --> 01:52:41,070god, this is like seven boosts.179601:52:41,940 --> 01:52:42,570Unknown: Wow.179701:52:42,780 --> 01:52:44,820Adam Curry: So let's see seeingthis. Yeah, we're actually179801:52:44,820 --> 01:52:58,080looking at it now.1-234-567-8588 gifts 1234567 I179901:52:58,080 --> 01:52:58,680get eight.180001:52:59,610 --> 01:53:02,760Dave Jones: Okay, we'll see. Letme try to skim the low because180101:53:03,000 --> 01:53:07,620this too much is like like sevenparagraphs of material here. The180201:53:07,620 --> 01:53:10,980folks at Jupiter broadcastingare killing it right now. And180301:53:10,980 --> 01:53:13,710more of you should know aboutit. JB and their audience, an180401:53:13,710 --> 01:53:15,930army of highly technicalcomputer geeks are building the180501:53:15,930 --> 01:53:18,780tooling and workflows necessaryto automate instead of180601:53:18,780 --> 01:53:22,020generating not only theirwebsite as shows release, but180701:53:22,020 --> 01:53:24,960eventually also spit out apodcasting 2.0 compliant RSS180801:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,780feed, complete with advancedfeatures like alternate180901:53:27,780 --> 01:53:30,810enclosures chapters lit tags forlive shows and AI generated181001:53:30,810 --> 01:53:36,900transcripts JRB JB are buildinga completely self hosted back in181101:53:36,900 --> 01:53:40,620infrastructure to automaticallyprocess shows using available181201:53:40,620 --> 01:53:44,370open source tools like Hugowhisper and peer tube and tying181301:53:44,370 --> 01:53:46,890them together with their owntooling which they also released181401:53:46,890 --> 01:53:50,940as open source. This can becomea monumental if not Cornerstone181501:53:50,940 --> 01:53:55,620public good for the PC 2.0ecosystem. They have a very181601:53:55,620 --> 01:53:58,710talented community, but I thinkthey might welcome help and181701:53:58,710 --> 01:54:01,770input as this could be such agreat boon for podcasters181801:54:01,770 --> 01:54:07,350everywhere. They do a live videostream of shows one of their181901:54:08,040 --> 01:54:09,570listeners create a Dockercontainer182001:54:10,019 --> 01:54:11,189Adam Curry: beautiful Borlaug.182101:54:12,420 --> 01:54:13,710Dave Jones: No this was Sirlurks a182201:54:13,710 --> 01:54:16,320Adam Curry: lot. Oh, becauseBorlaug did this how many how182301:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,610many was each boost?182401:54:18,990 --> 01:54:20,100Dave Jones: 1337182501:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,460Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I'm sorry.Alicia booth. Yes, got it, got182601:54:23,460 --> 01:54:23,880it got it.182701:54:25,710 --> 01:54:29,280Dave Jones: The hitless peertube that you could spin up on a182801:54:29,280 --> 01:54:32,520$5 virtual host in the cloud andminutes on demand. The182901:54:32,520 --> 01:54:36,090implications of this are trulymonumental. hitless peer tube is183001:54:36,090 --> 01:54:39,060what he's saying, yeah, if youcan automatically spin up peer183101:54:39,060 --> 01:54:40,770to peer. It's also183201:54:40,770 --> 01:54:43,410Adam Curry: a good show title,headless peer tube, headless183301:54:43,410 --> 01:54:47,550Dave Jones: periods. If you canautomatically spin up peer to183401:54:47,550 --> 01:54:50,280peers in data centers in thegeographic regions, where183501:54:50,280 --> 01:54:52,860they're most needed during alive show you have a real viable183601:54:52,860 --> 01:54:56,010alternative to relying onplatforms like YouTube with183701:54:56,010 --> 01:54:58,830their massive content deliverynetworks, you can spin up your183801:54:58,830 --> 01:55:01,590own lightning infrastructure.Light infrastructure on demand.183901:55:02,550 --> 01:55:05,220Adam Curry: I'm sure looks a lotmight want to do his own184001:55:05,220 --> 01:55:06,060podcast.184101:55:06,180 --> 01:55:09,510Dave Jones: Yeah, that's whatYeah. So this two lane are184201:55:09,510 --> 01:55:12,720working on become if you can'tsupport JB directly, they184301:55:12,720 --> 01:55:16,980consider supporting projectslike peer to mean, I agree.184401:55:17,010 --> 01:55:21,540They're doing great stuff. Andall that is. I mean, it's just184501:55:21,570 --> 01:55:26,640so important as talking aboutoffice hours, okay, so office184601:55:26,640 --> 01:55:32,880hours is the show that whereChris over there goes into sort184701:55:32,880 --> 01:55:39,030of like the back, the back end.That's a good show. Yeah. And I184801:55:39,030 --> 01:55:44,550gotta do I think people shouldlisten to that. Yeah, thank you,184901:55:44,550 --> 01:55:47,400sir. Looks like that. Thanks forjust pointing out all of that.185001:55:48,930 --> 01:55:52,050It seemed more okay. So Borlaug,is when you're talking 10,000185101:55:52,050 --> 01:55:56,310SATs several times, severaltimes. He says, I'm trying an185201:55:56,310 --> 01:56:04,620experiment ready dot dot dot andthen say nothing else. Yes.185301:56:04,620 --> 01:56:06,450Thank you for putting up withthat test. Yep.185401:56:06,450 --> 01:56:10,170Adam Curry: But he has seventimes 10,000 SATs or eight times185501:56:10,170 --> 01:56:13,68010,000 steps 80,000 says whatreally love that and then I just185601:56:13,680 --> 01:56:18,270got a boost coming in 3333 Daveforgot to read my second fat185701:56:18,270 --> 01:56:22,170booster gram. I haven'tforgotten it's coming. I know if185801:56:22,170 --> 01:56:26,250we're doing it in order CSB.He's up early. He's up early or185901:56:26,250 --> 01:56:26,640late.186001:56:28,470 --> 01:56:31,980Dave Jones: Let's see. Okay, youalready got tonne Rick or you186101:56:31,980 --> 01:56:35,040got Mike. You got less. Yep. Allright. So we're good. We're good186201:56:35,040 --> 01:56:43,290there. Did CSB this there's thedelimiter Yep. 30 3015, DJ and186301:56:43,290 --> 01:56:47,850AC. Your magnanimous approach tothe field of podcasting propels186401:56:47,850 --> 01:56:52,200the medium beyond stratosphericpopularity. Let the in five in186501:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,040be cut to death by the shatteredshards of the glass ceiling you186601:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,940blast through each week. Therein the remnants of your wake,186701:57:00,180 --> 01:57:05,280you'll find AI dot cookingpodcast, a podcast documenting186801:57:05,280 --> 01:57:09,780that which they call artificialand intelligent. Hosted by186901:57:09,810 --> 01:57:13,080ardent Beatles champion GregoryForman. Yo.187001:57:14,100 --> 01:57:18,030Adam Curry: So CSB does the ashas really been, and I don't187101:57:18,030 --> 01:57:22,350know if he writes it or, orGregory Forman writes it I187201:57:22,350 --> 01:57:28,680accused him of using chat GPTwhich he adamantly refutes. But187301:57:28,680 --> 01:57:33,480his boosts have been so I mean,it's every single show, every187401:57:33,480 --> 01:57:36,750single show I do. Now Tina evensaid, I'm gonna listen to this187501:57:36,750 --> 01:57:42,660damn show. I'm gonna listen toAI doc cooking. I gotta listen187601:57:42,660 --> 01:57:45,240to it. Now. I don't know if shehas yet but she threatened to.187701:57:45,870 --> 01:57:48,900So those are and we have somemonthlies. Maybe.187801:57:49,770 --> 01:57:54,150Dave Jones: Yeah, that is calledthat is the biblical strategy of187901:57:54,420 --> 01:57:57,210the baker going and beating onthe door until you come to the188001:57:57,210 --> 01:57:57,720door. And so,188101:57:58,350 --> 01:58:01,410Adam Curry: yes, it works. Itworks. It works. It works.188201:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,100Dave Jones: We do have somemonthlies. We've got Trevor from188301:58:05,100 --> 01:58:11,220Xena where if $5 Paul Erskine$11.14 Michael Gagan $5 Charles188401:58:11,220 --> 01:58:16,680current $5 Shawn McCune $20Thank you, Sean James Sullivan188501:58:16,680 --> 01:58:22,980$10 cone glotzbach $5Christopher Raymer $10 Jordan188601:58:22,980 --> 01:58:30,450Dunnville $10 Lesley Martin $2Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Dred188701:58:30,450 --> 01:58:34,530Scott the Bruce Wayne ofpodcasting $15 Aaron Renaud $5,188801:58:34,530 --> 01:58:36,510and Pedro gun calvess $5.188901:58:37,530 --> 01:58:40,200Adam Curry: Wow, thank you allso much. This is two weeks worth189001:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,470that's why he's a little bitlonger. But you're listening to189101:58:43,470 --> 01:58:47,820the value for value model in itsfull glory. This is how you do189201:58:47,820 --> 01:58:50,010it. If you want to learn moreabout value for value, we have189301:58:50,010 --> 01:58:54,900value for value dot info, whichGigi and I have put together189401:58:54,900 --> 01:58:57,210with some help from others, bythe way, GitHub for that as well189501:58:57,210 --> 01:59:00,510if you want to contribute to it.And of course you can support us189601:59:00,660 --> 01:59:04,080through your Fiat fun coupons bygoing to podcast index.org Not189701:59:04,080 --> 01:59:07,620the bottom of red donate buttonfor PayPal. There's also one for189801:59:07,620 --> 01:59:10,230the tally coin for those whowant to send us humongous189901:59:10,230 --> 01:59:14,430amounts via on chain. And ofcourse we appreciate anyone190001:59:14,430 --> 01:59:18,540using a modern podcast app youcan find it a podcast apps.com190101:59:18,900 --> 01:59:23,670look for anything that has valuefor value in it and boost boost190201:59:23,670 --> 01:59:25,860boost boost boost away. Wereally appreciate it. Thank you190301:59:25,860 --> 01:59:28,500so much. You keep the server'srunning. You keep everything190401:59:28,500 --> 01:59:31,110motivated. You keep theboardroom stocked with bagels,190501:59:31,110 --> 01:59:32,610we are very grateful.190601:59:35,460 --> 01:59:39,180Dave Jones: Somebody somebodyneeds to hire Stacey goers. She190701:59:39,180 --> 01:59:39,840lost her job.190801:59:40,050 --> 01:59:45,030Adam Curry: I sent her a messagetoday. Yeah, I did too. I didn't190901:59:45,090 --> 01:59:49,350quite I mean, we know where Ididn't quite feel comfortable191001:59:49,350 --> 01:59:52,290enough by saying hey, you shouldhelp this. This woman out with191101:59:53,130 --> 01:59:55,200with private parts. I don't knowwhere191201:59:57,300 --> 02:00:00,240Dave Jones: Karen's got that onein the bag now but I191302:00:00,600 --> 02:00:02,700Adam Curry: did say hey anythingwe can do she said she got a lot191402:00:02,700 --> 02:00:04,860of people from the podcastingcommunity reached out to her191502:00:04,860 --> 02:00:08,010which is always nice it showscourse because it is a community191602:00:08,160 --> 02:00:10,860and connection is production.People got it. We got to stick191702:00:10,860 --> 02:00:13,800together because we're alwaysunder assault from somewhere.191802:00:15,450 --> 02:00:19,500Dave Jones: So she you know, shewas our man on the inside that191902:00:19,500 --> 02:00:24,540NPR data at a headache at NPRthan at a gas. Yeah. Yeah. So192002:00:24,780 --> 02:00:29,010she's never actually stayedanywhere long enough to see that192102:00:29,040 --> 02:00:37,500to see 2.0 Produce fruit. Sowhen cash is gonna bail? She No,192202:00:37,500 --> 02:00:41,610no, I'm saying like she was atNPR was a big advocate for 2.0.192302:00:41,760 --> 02:00:44,730And she left him with a castbefore that came to fruition.192402:00:44,730 --> 02:00:48,180Yeah, I know. And then the samething here some of our hope a192502:00:48,180 --> 02:00:52,830cast follows through on theiryes on the journey PSP.192602:00:52,830 --> 02:00:56,520Adam Curry: Exactly. And ifanyone's, you know, Stacy that192702:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,250she's at Stacey on podcasting,next on social if you're looking192802:00:59,250 --> 02:01:03,450for it, reach out. All right,brother Dave, you know, almost192902:01:03,480 --> 02:01:06,360well, actually two hours on thenose. Not bad for this board193002:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,480meeting. I'd been in much longerboard meetings that were a lot193102:01:09,480 --> 02:01:10,110less fun.193202:01:11,160 --> 02:01:13,710Dave Jones: It's almost time formy next round of Tylenol.193302:01:14,190 --> 02:01:17,820Adam Curry: Tylenol and yourbeef milkshake. Yes.193402:01:18,870 --> 02:01:20,940Dave Jones: I've already beenmilkshake to myself to death193502:01:20,940 --> 02:01:22,980today. Filled with beef193602:01:23,010 --> 02:01:25,140Adam Curry: feel better brother.I'm sorry. Thanks for Thanks for193702:01:25,170 --> 02:01:27,570coming to the coming to theboard meeting despite the fever193802:01:27,570 --> 02:01:30,150and all that get some get somerest fluids, etc.193902:01:31,200 --> 02:01:35,310Dave Jones: plenty of fluids.Yep, some. Some, some love some194002:01:35,310 --> 02:01:37,890love. You've got an issue.194102:01:38,010 --> 02:01:42,510Adam Curry: Okay. All right. Allthe love baby. I love you so194202:01:42,510 --> 02:01:46,200much. All right. Have a greatweekend, brother. We'll talk to194302:01:46,200 --> 02:01:50,220you next week to everybody else.podcast 2.0 The board meeting.194402:01:50,220 --> 02:01:52,140Thanks for attending. See younext week right here194502:02:07,980 --> 02:02:12,240Unknown: have been listening topodcasting 2.0 to visit podcast194602:02:12,240 --> 02:02:19,260index.org For more informationon the show